From admin at FlexibleLearning.com Fri Feb 1 03:17:16 2013 From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:17:16 -0000 Subject: iPad stack downloading In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you Klaus: "You are not allowed to write to the "ENGINE" folder -> (specialfolderpath("engine")! Instead download to (any subfolder) of -> specialfolderpath("documents") -- Klaus Major And thank you Chris: "My guess is you'd be fine with a stack file full of images, so long as it doesn't contain any executable code. As far as I know, there are no restrictions on types of files that can be downloaded (but I may be wrong). For Read Naturally's One Minute Reader app, our in-app purchases consist of text, audio, and images. We simply zip it all up in an archive, then it's unzipped to the user's device after being downloaded. So you could consider doing it that way too. Using revZip is fairly easy, as I'm sure you know. "As Klaus said, you can only write/save files to the app's sandbox, not to the app bundle. So you would need to use the app's Documents folder. There are other possibilities, but for your purpose, the Docs folder would probably be the best. Be aware that files saved in the Docs folder are automatically backed up to iTunes when the device is backed up, so if you don't want to back up your downloaded files, you can use iphoneSetDoNotBackupFile to prevent this." -- Chris Sheffield Original message: > Is it allowed to download a stackfile of images for an iPad app? > > I'd like the User to be able to download paid-for sets of artwork for use by > an app. What is the appropriate way to accomplish this? I think I know that > Apple does not permit an app to download executable code, but a stackfile of > images has no code. > > Second question: > Whether images are downloaded as individual files or as a stack, I assume > they/it can be placed in any privately named subfolder within the app > bundle, yes? > > Trying to establish the ground rules before committing to too much coding > here! > > Hugh Senior > FLCo From heather at runrev.com Fri Feb 1 03:30:23 2013 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:30:23 +0000 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> References: <5F143EB7-937F-48C6-8441-E077DC6F2AED@sweattechnologies.com> <8643084B-C829-4679-84FD-D989EF1A2B4E@yahoo.com> <330A52AF-9290-473A-866A-48B0B96CB1B7@mac.com> <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: I think that's a great idea! cheers Heather On 31 Jan 2013, at 23:38, Monte Goulding wrote: > Send it through. > > Folks... I'm wondering if this thing could be (quickly) turned into a free generic kickstarter project tracker that advertised the LC project in some way (defaulted to it?) and put up on the app store. We now have a number of contributors and there's obviously copyright issues involved (welcome to FOSS)... is it feasible at this stage? It would probably need to be put up for review by the end of the weekend. > > We would need a way to enter in a project name then search for it and scrape the goal amount and the json url. > > Cheers > > Monte > > On 01/02/2013, at 6:46 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > >> The sound is from Railroad Tycoon, it's the loudest/longest, and there's two others, they're all in ascending order. If monte want's them i could send em to him? >> >> On 31.01.2013, at 17:34, Heather Laine wrote: >> >>> I've a feature request for the meter? could it make a louder or more exciting ding when a 1k or 10k milestone is passed? >> >> >> -- >> >> Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: >> http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ >> >> Chat with other RunRev developers: >> http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.runrev.com/ Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode From revdev at pdslabs.net Fri Feb 1 03:41:33 2013 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:41:33 -0800 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: References: <5F143EB7-937F-48C6-8441-E077DC6F2AED@sweattechnologies.com> <8643084B-C829-4679-84FD-D989EF1A2B4E@yahoo.com> <330A52AF-9290-473A-866A-48B0B96CB1B7@mac.com> <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <510B7FBD.9060501@pdslabs.net> Would it be possible to mention such a free app on the KS page? "Free Sample!" Phil Davis On 2/1/13 12:30 AM, Heather Laine wrote: > I think that's a great idea! > > cheers > > Heather > > On 31 Jan 2013, at 23:38, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> Send it through. >> >> Folks... I'm wondering if this thing could be (quickly) turned into a free generic kickstarter project tracker that advertised the LC project in some way (defaulted to it?) and put up on the app store. We now have a number of contributors and there's obviously copyright issues involved (welcome to FOSS)... is it feasible at this stage? It would probably need to be put up for review by the end of the weekend. >> >> We would need a way to enter in a project name then search for it and scrape the goal amount and the json url. >> >> Cheers >> >> Monte >> >> On 01/02/2013, at 6:46 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: >> >>> The sound is from Railroad Tycoon, it's the loudest/longest, and there's two others, they're all in ascending order. If monte want's them i could send em to him? >>> >>> On 31.01.2013, at 17:34, Heather Laine wrote: >>> >>>> I've a feature request for the meter? could it make a louder or more exciting ding when a 1k or 10k milestone is passed? >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: >>> http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ >>> >>> Chat with other RunRev developers: >>> http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> -- >> Monte Goulding >> >> M E R Goulding - software development services >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > Heather Laine > Customer Services Manager > http://www.runrev.com/ > Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Phil Davis From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Feb 1 04:28:53 2013 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 10:28:53 +0100 Subject: AW: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: <8CFCE4E12852469-1A00-5C935@webmail-d127.sysops.aol.com> References: <1470411257185286368@unknownmsgid> <78FBA805-98BB-4EFC-A949-5FB9527E2B51@me.com> <8CFCE4E12852469-1A00-5C935@webmail-d127.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001e01ce005e$8de7fd40$a9b7f7c0$@de> Hi all, LC 5.5.3. I made some tests with time stamps, where the first line beginning with a number was at about line 18,000: The classic cycle thru like Craig's and Bert's took +/- 8 msec Iterating by halves to +/- 28 msec Peters approach with matchchunk and lineIndex I didn't got to run (some execution error on lineIndex, I don't know) So the good old pure repeat loop is still the best Thanks for ideas Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag > von dunbarx at aol.com > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 05:45 > An: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Betreff: Re: to find the first numeric line? > > Just so, and his data was alphanumeric. After sorting, he wanted to find > the first line that had a digit as char 1. Since alpha sorts before > numbers, he wanted to find the line number where a transition, for example, > might have been: > > > a1 > a2 > 1a --this line > 1b > > > The old fashioned way may have been the best, especially with "repeat for > each..." > > > Craig Newman > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Sneidar > To: How to use LiveCode > Sent: Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:11 pm > Subject: Re: to find the first numeric line? > > > Great idea, but I think he wants to know the line position in the string. I > could be wrong. > > Bob > > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Mark Stuart wrote: > > > Hi Tiemo, > > I haven?t tried this, but have you taken a look at the FILTER command? > > filter list with ?[1-9]*? > > > > Thanx, > > Mark Stuart > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription > preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From livfoss at mac.com Fri Feb 1 04:36:57 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:36:57 +0100 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: <510B7FBD.9060501@pdslabs.net> References: <5F143EB7-937F-48C6-8441-E077DC6F2AED@sweattechnologies.com> <8643084B-C829-4679-84FD-D989EF1A2B4E@yahoo.com> <330A52AF-9290-473A-866A-48B0B96CB1B7@mac.com> <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> <510B7FBD.9060501@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: <549FAA99-2E2B-4C1E-B08D-FD5FE4020B68@mac.com> I agree this is a great idea. To be most attractive for KS users it would be best if were available on all five platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux, iOS, Android) with some variations for things like screen size. I have to say I don't understand the copyright issues. Monte, you're so quick off the blocks - are you doing it? Do you need testers, suggestions, sounds? I'm sure people would like to help, but I guess there should be only one person actually putting it together, and it ain't me. Graham On 1 Feb 2013, at 09:41, Phil Davis wrote: > Would it be possible to mention such a free app on the KS page? "Free Sample!" > > Phil Davis > > > On 2/1/13 12:30 AM, Heather Laine wrote: >> I think that's a great idea! >> >> cheers >> >> Heather >> >> On 31 Jan 2013, at 23:38, Monte Goulding wrote: >> >>> Send it through. >>> >>> Folks... I'm wondering if this thing could be (quickly) turned into a free generic kickstarter project tracker that advertised the LC project in some way (defaulted to it?) and put up on the app store. We now have a number of contributors and there's obviously copyright issues involved (welcome to FOSS)... is it feasible at this stage? It would probably need to be put up for review by the end of the weekend. >>> >>> We would need a way to enter in a project name then search for it and scrape the goal amount and the json url. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Monte >>> >>> On 01/02/2013, at 6:46 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: >>> >>>> The sound is from Railroad Tycoon, it's the loudest/longest, and there's two others, they're all in ascending order. If monte want's them i could send em to him? >>>> >>>> On 31.01.2013, at 17:34, Heather Laine wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've a feature request for the meter? could it make a louder or more exciting ding when a 1k or 10k milestone is passed? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: >>>> http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ >>>> >>>> Chat with other RunRev developers: >>>> http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> -- >>> Monte Goulding >>> >>> M E R Goulding - software development services >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> Heather Laine >> Customer Services Manager >> http://www.runrev.com/ >> Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > -- > Phil Davis > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 1 04:45:38 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:45:38 +1100 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: <549FAA99-2E2B-4C1E-B08D-FD5FE4020B68@mac.com> References: <5F143EB7-937F-48C6-8441-E077DC6F2AED@sweattechnologies.com> <8643084B-C829-4679-84FD-D989EF1A2B4E@yahoo.com> <330A52AF-9290-473A-866A-48B0B96CB1B7@mac.com> <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> <510B7FBD.9060501@pdslabs.net> <549FAA99-2E2B-4C1E-B08D-FD5FE4020B68@mac.com> Message-ID: I don't mind but we're already at a point where the copyright is very messy. I'm not sure what to do about that a this stage??? What about the audio file is that copyright? Then there's the data... Are we allowed to use it? -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 01/02/2013, at 8:36 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: > I agree this is a great idea. To be most attractive for KS users it would be best if were available on all five platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux, iOS, Android) with some variations for things like screen size. I have to say I don't understand the copyright issues. > > Monte, you're so quick off the blocks - are you doing it? Do you need testers, suggestions, sounds? I'm sure people would like to help, but I guess there should be only one person actually putting it together, and it ain't me. From bvg at mac.com Fri Feb 1 04:53:22 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:53:22 +0100 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: References: <5F143EB7-937F-48C6-8441-E077DC6F2AED@sweattechnologies.com> <8643084B-C829-4679-84FD-D989EF1A2B4E@yahoo.com> <330A52AF-9290-473A-866A-48B0B96CB1B7@mac.com> <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> <510B7FBD.9060501@pdslabs.net> <549FAA99-2E2B-4C1E-B08D-FD5FE4020B68@mac.com> Message-ID: <19477FA2-9A44-4372-8C97-489FDBD5B7D4@mac.com> I think everyone would agree to you taking the app and doing with it what you want. However, the sound I supplied is probably not free to use, so I suggest to get a free soundbit instead, from one of the many sound repositories. I suggest to add a comparision between the current amount and the previously stored amount: Last increase was 12? at 10:47 maybe some graphs? On 01.02.2013, at 10:45, Monte Goulding wrote: > I don't mind but we're already at a point where the copyright is very messy. I'm not sure what to do about that a this stage??? What about the audio file is that copyright? > > Then there's the data... Are we allowed to use it? > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 01/02/2013, at 8:36 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: > >> I agree this is a great idea. To be most attractive for KS users it would be best if were available on all five platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux, iOS, Android) with some variations for things like screen size. I have to say I don't understand the copyright issues. >> >> Monte, you're so quick off the blocks - are you doing it? Do you need testers, suggestions, sounds? I'm sure people would like to help, but I guess there should be only one person actually putting it together, and it ain't me. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From livfoss at mac.com Fri Feb 1 05:10:45 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 11:10:45 +0100 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: References: <5F143EB7-937F-48C6-8441-E077DC6F2AED@sweattechnologies.com> <8643084B-C829-4679-84FD-D989EF1A2B4E@yahoo.com> <330A52AF-9290-473A-866A-48B0B96CB1B7@mac.com> <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> <510B7FBD.9060501@pdslabs.net> <549FAA99-2E2B-4C1E-B08D-FD5FE4020B68@mac.com> Message-ID: <68C6D145-20C6-4029-8C08-FF01EF6E8F96@mac.com> Well, let's hope we can ago a little further. I just made an audio file by putting coins into a tin! You can have it in mp3 or aiff (much bigger!). I could work on the 'decile triumph' sound suggested by Heather. The two sounds are at https://dl.dropbox.com/u/30091487/coins.aiff https://dl.dropbox.com/u/30091487/coins.mp3 Doesn't all the data come from KS? We could put in a disclaimer saying that by downloading the app you're giving permission to use the KS data - but it's in the public domain anyway isn't it? I have some other suggestions for the app if anyone's interested. HTH Graham On 1 Feb 2013, at 10:45, Monte Goulding wrote: > I don't mind but we're already at a point where the copyright is very messy. I'm not sure what to do about that a this stage??? What about the audio file is that copyright? > > Then there's the data... Are we allowed to use it? > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 01/02/2013, at 8:36 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: > >> I agree this is a great idea. To be most attractive for KS users it would be best if were available on all five platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux, iOS, Android) with some variations for things like screen size. I have to say I don't understand the copyright issues. >> >> Monte, you're so quick off the blocks - are you doing it? Do you need testers, suggestions, sounds? I'm sure people would like to help, but I guess there should be only one person actually putting it together, and it ain't me. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 1 05:17:40 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:17:40 +1100 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: <19477FA2-9A44-4372-8C97-489FDBD5B7D4@mac.com> References: <5F143EB7-937F-48C6-8441-E077DC6F2AED@sweattechnologies.com> <8643084B-C829-4679-84FD-D989EF1A2B4E@yahoo.com> <330A52AF-9290-473A-866A-48B0B96CB1B7@mac.com> <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> <510B7FBD.9060501@pdslabs.net> <549FAA99-2E2B-4C1E-B08D-FD5FE4020B68@mac.com> <19477FA2-9A44-4372-8C97-489FDBD5B7D4@mac.com> Message-ID: > I think everyone would agree to you taking the app and doing with it what you want. However, the sound I supplied is probably not free to use, so I suggest to get a free soundbit instead, from one of the many sound repositories. I'll see what I can find. > > I suggest to add a comparision between the current amount and the previously stored amount: > > Last increase was 12? at 10:47 > > maybe some graphs? Can't really do graphs unless your pinging kickstarter constantly like kicktraq does. Would need to do that on a server. But the last increase feature is nice. Cheers Monte From bvg at mac.com Fri Feb 1 05:20:35 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 11:20:35 +0100 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: References: <5F143EB7-937F-48C6-8441-E077DC6F2AED@sweattechnologies.com> <8643084B-C829-4679-84FD-D989EF1A2B4E@yahoo.com> <330A52AF-9290-473A-866A-48B0B96CB1B7@mac.com> <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> <510B7FBD.9060501@pdslabs.net> <549FAA99-2E2B-4C1E-B08D-FD5FE4020B68@mac.com> <19477FA2-9A44-4372-8C97-489FDBD5B7D4@mac.com> Message-ID: <4FCAC4CA-0F1B-49D3-9669-96197C69BA72@mac.com> > Can't really do graphs unless your pinging kickstarter constantly like kicktraq does. Would need to do that on a server. But the last increase feature is nice. Wut? you can do daily stats of both amount of people and amount of money, by comparing what came in during the day, Also, it's possible to compare the number of backers to the amount of money to get average per backer, as well as comparing that day by day. I'm sure there's other ways to aggregate the data? -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 1 06:19:00 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 22:19:00 +1100 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: References: <5F143EB7-937F-48C6-8441-E077DC6F2AED@sweattechnologies.com> <8643084B-C829-4679-84FD-D989EF1A2B4E@yahoo.com> <330A52AF-9290-473A-866A-48B0B96CB1B7@mac.com> <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> <510B7FBD.9060501@pdslabs.net> <549FAA99-2E2B-4C1E-B08D-FD5FE4020B68@mac.com> <19477FA2-9A44-4372-8C97-489FDBD5B7D4@mac.com> Message-ID: Hmm... not going to happen: from Kickstarter terms of service: Additionally, you shall not: (i) take any action that imposes or may impose (as determined by the Company in its sole discretion) an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the Company?s or its third-party providers? infrastructure; (ii) interfere or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Service or any activities conducted on the Service; (iii) bypass any measures the Company may use to prevent or restrict access to the Service (or other accounts, computer systems, or networks connected to the Service); (iv) run Maillist, Listserv, or any form of auto-responder or "spam" on the Service; or (v) use manual or automated software, devices, or other processes to "crawl" or "spider" any page of the Site. I think we would be at risk of i and v... On 01/02/2013, at 9:17 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> I think everyone would agree to you taking the app and doing with it what you want. However, the sound I supplied is probably not free to use, so I suggest to get a free soundbit instead, from one of the many sound repositories. > > I'll see what I can find. >> >> I suggest to add a comparision between the current amount and the previously stored amount: >> >> Last increase was 12? at 10:47 >> >> maybe some graphs? > > Can't really do graphs unless your pinging kickstarter constantly like kicktraq does. Would need to do that on a server. But the last increase feature is nice. > > Cheers > > Monte -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From livfoss at mac.com Fri Feb 1 06:25:54 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 12:25:54 +0100 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: References: <5F143EB7-937F-48C6-8441-E077DC6F2AED@sweattechnologies.com> <8643084B-C829-4679-84FD-D989EF1A2B4E@yahoo.com> <330A52AF-9290-473A-866A-48B0B96CB1B7@mac.com> <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> <510B7FBD.9060501@pdslabs.net> <549FAA99-2E2B-4C1E-B08D-FD5FE4020B68@mac.com> <19477FA2-9A44-4372-8C97-489FDBD5B7D4@mac.com> Message-ID: <2706DAB8-36F9-401E-A7C1-5E39C2488D02@mac.com> Good catch Monte. I guess Kevin/Heather could try to proposition KS directly (on the grounds that it's a general service component open to all users, providing a stimulus etc), but we clearly can't just fling the app at them. So let's call the thing stalled. Graham [I should have made it clear BTW that I own the copyright to my sound files, and I herewith give them away to anyone who wants them - probably nobody, now!] On 1 Feb 2013, at 12:19, Monte Goulding wrote: > Hmm... not going to happen: from Kickstarter terms of service: > > Additionally, you shall not: (i) take any action that imposes or may impose (as determined by the Company in its sole discretion) an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the Company?s or its third-party providers? infrastructure; (ii) interfere or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Service or any activities conducted on the Service; (iii) bypass any measures the Company may use to prevent or restrict access to the Service (or other accounts, computer systems, or networks connected to the Service); (iv) run Maillist, Listserv, or any form of auto-responder or "spam" on the Service; or (v) use manual or automated software, devices, or other processes to "crawl" or "spider" any page of the Site. > > I think we would be at risk of i and v... > > On 01/02/2013, at 9:17 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> >>> I think everyone would agree to you taking the app and doing with it what you want. However, the sound I supplied is probably not free to use, so I suggest to get a free soundbit instead, from one of the many sound repositories. >> >> I'll see what I can find. >>> >>> I suggest to add a comparision between the current amount and the previously stored amount: >>> >>> Last increase was 12? at 10:47 >>> >>> maybe some graphs? >> >> Can't really do graphs unless your pinging kickstarter constantly like kicktraq does. Would need to do that on a server. But the last increase feature is nice. >> >> Cheers >> >> Monte > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bvg at mac.com Fri Feb 1 06:30:52 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 12:30:52 +0100 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: References: <5F143EB7-937F-48C6-8441-E077DC6F2AED@sweattechnologies.com> <8643084B-C829-4679-84FD-D989EF1A2B4E@yahoo.com> <330A52AF-9290-473A-866A-48B0B96CB1B7@mac.com> <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> <510B7FBD.9060501@pdslabs.net> <549FAA99-2E2B-4C1E-B08D-FD5FE4020B68@mac.com> <19477FA2-9A44-4372-8C97-489FDBD5B7D4@mac.com> Message-ID: <18B833FE-C8BB-4D80-820B-31217C1D6A4D@mac.com> I think you're wrong. They have that JSON link there so it can be used. Using a JSON link provided for usage is not the same as crawling a site, and even if the app gets super incredibly successful, and thus starts millions of queries per second, they could just ask to remove the app and/or disable the link. On 01.02.2013, at 12:19, Monte Goulding wrote: > Hmm... not going to happen: from Kickstarter terms of service: > > Additionally, you shall not: (i) take any action that imposes or may impose (as determined by the Company in its sole discretion) an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the Company?s or its third-party providers? infrastructure; (ii) interfere or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Service or any activities conducted on the Service; (iii) bypass any measures the Company may use to prevent or restrict access to the Service (or other accounts, computer systems, or networks connected to the Service); (iv) run Maillist, Listserv, or any form of auto-responder or "spam" on the Service; or (v) use manual or automated software, devices, or other processes to "crawl" or "spider" any page of the Site. > > I think we would be at risk of i and v... > > On 01/02/2013, at 9:17 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> >>> I think everyone would agree to you taking the app and doing with it what you want. However, the sound I supplied is probably not free to use, so I suggest to get a free soundbit instead, from one of the many sound repositories. >> >> I'll see what I can find. >>> >>> I suggest to add a comparision between the current amount and the previously stored amount: >>> >>> Last increase was 12? at 10:47 >>> >>> maybe some graphs? >> >> Can't really do graphs unless your pinging kickstarter constantly like kicktraq does. Would need to do that on a server. But the last increase feature is nice. >> >> Cheers >> >> Monte > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 1 06:35:56 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 22:35:56 +1100 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: <18B833FE-C8BB-4D80-820B-31217C1D6A4D@mac.com> References: <5F143EB7-937F-48C6-8441-E077DC6F2AED@sweattechnologies.com> <8643084B-C829-4679-84FD-D989EF1A2B4E@yahoo.com> <330A52AF-9290-473A-866A-48B0B96CB1B7@mac.com> <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> <510B7FBD.9060501@pdslabs.net> <549FAA99-2E2B-4C1E-B08D-FD5FE4020B68@mac.com> <19477FA2-9A44-4372-8C97-489FDBD5B7D4@mac.com> <18B833FE-C8BB-4D80-820B-31217C1D6A4D@mac.com> Message-ID: <340E733C-E660-4319-8E81-E6256673A3A1@sweattechnologies.com> Well... given I found the url only by looking at the source of the page and not from a public api I suspect we could upset people. The last thing we want is for KS to suspend the campaign. Let's just keep playing with the thing between us I think. On 01/02/2013, at 10:30 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > I think you're wrong. They have that JSON link there so it can be used. Using a JSON link provided for usage is not the same as crawling a site, and even if the app gets super incredibly successful, and thus starts millions of queries per second, they could just ask to remove the app and/or disable the link. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 1 07:23:16 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 23:23:16 +1100 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: <340E733C-E660-4319-8E81-E6256673A3A1@sweattechnologies.com> References: <5F143EB7-937F-48C6-8441-E077DC6F2AED@sweattechnologies.com> <8643084B-C829-4679-84FD-D989EF1A2B4E@yahoo.com> <330A52AF-9290-473A-866A-48B0B96CB1B7@mac.com> <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> <510B7FBD.9060501@pdslabs.net> <549FAA99-2E2B-4C1E-B08D-FD5FE4020B68@mac.com> <19477FA2-9A44-4372-8C97-489FDBD5B7D4@mac.com> <18B833FE-C8BB-4D80-820B-31217C1D6A4D@mac.com> <340E733C-E660-4319-8E81-E6256673A3A1@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <367F2B47-3A34-4A54-904D-8AD329AB230A@sweattechnologies.com> OK, made some tweaks: http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/689/kickstarter 3 new sounds for pledges > 250, 500, and 1000 GBP A new currency converter api and lots more currencies & you can quickly switch currencies. Shows last pledge amount and time Cheers Monte On 01/02/2013, at 10:35 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Well... given I found the url only by looking at the source of the page and not from a public api I suspect we could upset people. The last thing we want is for KS to suspend the campaign. Let's just keep playing with the thing between us I think. > > On 01/02/2013, at 10:30 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > >> I think you're wrong. They have that JSON link there so it can be used. Using a JSON link provided for usage is not the same as crawling a site, and even if the app gets super incredibly successful, and thus starts millions of queries per second, they could just ask to remove the app and/or disable the link. > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From bvg at mac.com Fri Feb 1 08:31:38 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:31:38 +0100 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: <340E733C-E660-4319-8E81-E6256673A3A1@sweattechnologies.com> References: <5F143EB7-937F-48C6-8441-E077DC6F2AED@sweattechnologies.com> <8643084B-C829-4679-84FD-D989EF1A2B4E@yahoo.com> <330A52AF-9290-473A-866A-48B0B96CB1B7@mac.com> <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> <510B7FBD.9060501@pdslabs.net> <549FAA99-2E2B-4C1E-B08D-FD5FE4020B68@mac.com> <19477FA2-9A44-4372-8C97-489FDBD5B7D4@mac.com> <18B833FE-C8BB-4D80-820B-31217C1D6A4D@mac.com> <340E733C-E660-4319-8E81-E6256673A3A1@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <878F9405-CE21-401F-B1CF-186B5A5F3A4C@mac.com> Oh i didn't realise that, I thought it's a public api! I agree with you then :) On 01.02.2013, at 12:35, Monte Goulding wrote: > Well... given I found the url only by looking at the source of the page and not from a public api I suspect we could upset people. The last thing we want is for KS to suspend the campaign. Let's just keep playing with the thing between us I think. > > On 01/02/2013, at 10:30 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > >> I think you're wrong. They have that JSON link there so it can be used. Using a JSON link provided for usage is not the same as crawling a site, and even if the app gets super incredibly successful, and thus starts millions of queries per second, they could just ask to remove the app and/or disable the link. > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From livfoss at mac.com Fri Feb 1 08:39:51 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:39:51 +0100 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: <367F2B47-3A34-4A54-904D-8AD329AB230A@sweattechnologies.com> References: <5F143EB7-937F-48C6-8441-E077DC6F2AED@sweattechnologies.com> <8643084B-C829-4679-84FD-D989EF1A2B4E@yahoo.com> <330A52AF-9290-473A-866A-48B0B96CB1B7@mac.com> <93B5495D-1681-4F8B-8D74-230EC3C08600@sweattechnologies.com> <510B7FBD.9060501@pdslabs.net> <549FAA99-2E2B-4C1E-B08D-FD5FE4020B68@mac.com> <19477FA2-9A44-4372-8C97-489FDBD5B7D4@mac.com> <18B833FE-C8BB-4D80-820B-31217C1D6A4D@mac.com> <340E733C-E660-4319-8E81-E6256673A3A1@sweattechnologies.com> <367F2B47-3A34-4A54-904D-8AD329AB230A@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: I downloaded it and overwrote the first one but I don't see the new features - and there's only one audioclip in the stack. What did I do wrong? TIA Graham On 1 Feb 2013, at 13:23, Monte Goulding wrote: > OK, made some tweaks: > > http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/689/kickstarter > > 3 new sounds for pledges > 250, 500, and 1000 GBP > > A new currency converter api and lots more currencies & you can quickly switch currencies. > > Shows last pledge amount and time > > Cheers > > Monte > > > On 01/02/2013, at 10:35 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> Well... given I found the url only by looking at the source of the page and not from a public api I suspect we could upset people. The last thing we want is for KS to suspend the campaign. Let's just keep playing with the thing between us I think. >> >> On 01/02/2013, at 10:30 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: >> >>> I think you're wrong. They have that JSON link there so it can be used. Using a JSON link provided for usage is not the same as crawling a site, and even if the app gets super incredibly successful, and thus starts millions of queries per second, they could just ask to remove the app and/or disable the link. >> >> -- >> Monte Goulding >> >> M E R Goulding - software development services >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 12:00:13 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:00:13 -0800 Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: <001e01ce005e$8de7fd40$a9b7f7c0$@de> References: <1470411257185286368@unknownmsgid> <78FBA805-98BB-4EFC-A949-5FB9527E2B51@me.com> <8CFCE4E12852469-1A00-5C935@webmail-d127.sysops.aol.com> <001e01ce005e$8de7fd40$a9b7f7c0$@de> Message-ID: Hi Tiemo, Apologies for not testing the code I sent you. It turns out that lineIndex can only address the contents of a field, not a variable. That seems quite shortsighted to me, but that's the way it is. That may make it unusable for your purposes but, for the record, I ran the same test as you and it took 26 milliseconds to get the line number, including however long it takes to execute the answer command. I also tried it with the first qualifying line being the last one, 32768 in my case, and it took 41 milliseconds, I'm just learning about regular expressions and they really are very useful in the right circumstances, Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hi all, > LC 5.5.3. I made some tests with time stamps, where the first line > beginning with a number was at about line 18,000: > The classic cycle thru like Craig's and Bert's took +/- 8 msec > Iterating by halves to +/- 28 msec > Peters approach with matchchunk and lineIndex I didn't got to run (some > execution error on lineIndex, I don't know) > > So the good old pure repeat loop is still the best > Thanks for ideas > Tiemo > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im > Auftrag > > von dunbarx at aol.com > > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Februar 2013 05:45 > > An: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Betreff: Re: to find the first numeric line? > > > > Just so, and his data was alphanumeric. After sorting, he wanted to find > > the first line that had a digit as char 1. Since alpha sorts before > > numbers, he wanted to find the line number where a transition, for > example, > > might have been: > > > > > > a1 > > a2 > > 1a --this line > > 1b > > > > > > The old fashioned way may have been the best, especially with "repeat for > > each..." > > > > > > Craig Newman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Sneidar > > To: How to use LiveCode > > Sent: Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:11 pm > > Subject: Re: to find the first numeric line? > > > > > > Great idea, but I think he wants to know the line position in the > string. I > > could be wrong. > > > > Bob > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Mark Stuart wrote: > > > > > Hi Tiemo, > > > I haven?t tried this, but have you taken a look at the FILTER command? > > > filter list with ?[1-9]*? > > > > > > Thanx, > > > Mark Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription > > preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription > > preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dochawk at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 12:48:00 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:48:00 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode Message-ID: I'll preface this with that I am quite familiar with open source, have a Ph.D. in Economics, and published the first paper that actually explained why and when open sourcing software or backing open source solutions can make solid commercial sense. I'm not quite seeing that here. Apple really sells hardware, and distinguishes Darwin with OS/X on top of it. IBM really sells served web pages, and would get no advantage, just more costs, from a proprietary unix or server, thus massively backs Linux & Apache. Is netscape really still around? Sun needed an office suite that would run on their unix, and wouldn't be able to charge a larger total price for calling OpenOffice a separate product; the market they saw was server + light workstations + stuff to run. The closest I see is redhat's commercial side. But are there enough developers that would pay for support? Some of us (most?) will; the thousand or two a year is a small part of our expenses if we're full time (and in my case, is one or two annual licenses for my own product). Boosting sales of web serving (I don't see that working on the commercial side, though; pricing, etc. isn't even close to competitive for just serving, and how many *need* that extra bit of livecode maintenance on the server?) I love the idea, and particularly the inevitable early open source change of switching from single monolithic files to some sort of revision control for our stacks. And some of the customization I would want. But I just can't see where the revenue stream that keeps livecode around will be. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From bvg at mac.com Fri Feb 1 12:51:24 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 18:51:24 +0100 Subject: A Personal Letter from Our CEO In-Reply-To: <1678846152.4331131359738847093.JavaMail.root@moldenhauer.iad01.hubspot-networks.net> References: <1678846152.4331131359738847093.JavaMail.root@moldenhauer.iad01.hubspot-networks.net> Message-ID: <836B783D-3C38-467E-BFB3-A5FEBB091FAE@mac.com> On 01.02.2013, at 18:14, Kevin Miller wrote: > ... > I'll offer you one final incentive. Another first. When this project hits its funding target, I'll do what all proper open source folk do, and sport a beard for the rest of the year. Wow, things suddenly got very serious! -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Feb 1 13:03:07 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:03:07 +0100 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> Hi, It is quite simple. Many consultants and companies will find it profitable to contribute to the LiveCode engine. RunRev can use these contributions and include them in the commercial version of LiveCode. This way, the commercially available engine will develop more quickly, which makes it more attractive to everybody and RunRev can sell more commercial licenses. As an economist, you know that co-operation between two parties allows them to have complete information, which makes the market more efficient. An open-source licence makes free exchange of information between all involved parties possible. Of course, this is only one of many possible explanations. Oh... btw I'm just trying to give you a clue. I don't mean to participate in an endless discussion on economic viability :-) -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. On 2/1/2013 18:48, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > I'll preface this with that I am quite familiar with open source, have > a Ph.D. in Economics, and published the first paper that actually > explained why and when open sourcing software or backing open source > solutions can make solid commercial sense. > > I'm not quite seeing that here. > > Apple really sells hardware, and distinguishes Darwin with OS/X on top of it. > > IBM really sells served web pages, and would get no advantage, just > more costs, from a proprietary unix or server, thus massively backs > Linux & Apache. > > Is netscape really still around? > > Sun needed an office suite that would run on their unix, and wouldn't > be able to charge a larger total price for calling OpenOffice a > separate product; the market they saw was server + light workstations > + stuff to run. > > The closest I see is redhat's commercial side. > > But are there enough developers that would pay for support? Some of > us (most?) will; the thousand or two a year is a small part of our > expenses if we're full time (and in my case, is one or two annual > licenses for my own product). > > Boosting sales of web serving (I don't see that working on the > commercial side, though; pricing, etc. isn't even close to competitive > for just serving, and how many *need* that extra bit of livecode > maintenance on the server?) > > I love the idea, and particularly the inevitable early open source > change of switching from single monolithic files to some sort of > revision control for our stacks. And some of the customization I > would want. > > But I just can't see where the revenue stream that keeps livecode > around will be. > > hawk > From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Feb 1 13:11:59 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:11:59 -0800 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: <4FCAC4CA-0F1B-49D3-9669-96197C69BA72@mac.com> Message-ID: In case you missed it, Thierry Douez made a nice little stack with graphs here: http://sunny-tdz.com/dwn You could combine the stacks into a full screen presentation with mind numbing, eye glazing statistics. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/1/13 2:20 AM, "Bj?rnke von Gierke" wrote: >> Can't really do graphs unless your pinging kickstarter constantly like >>kicktraq does. Would need to do that on a server. But the last increase >>feature is nice. > >Wut? you can do daily stats of both amount of people and amount of money, >by comparing what came in during the day, Also, it's possible to compare >the number of backers to the amount of money to get average per backer, >as well as comparing that day by day. I'm sure there's other ways to >aggregate the data? > >-- > >Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: >http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ > >Chat with other RunRev developers: >http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 13:12:31 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:12:31 +0200 Subject: A Personal Letter from Our CEO In-Reply-To: <836B783D-3C38-467E-BFB3-A5FEBB091FAE@mac.com> References: <1678846152.4331131359738847093.JavaMail.root@moldenhauer.iad01.hubspot-networks.net> <836B783D-3C38-467E-BFB3-A5FEBB091FAE@mac.com> Message-ID: <510C058F.2060308@gmail.com> On 02/01/2013 07:51 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > On 01.02.2013, at 18:14, Kevin Miller wrote: > >> ... >> I'll offer you one final incentive. Another first. When this project hits its funding target, I'll do what all proper open source folk do, and sport a beard for the rest of the year. > > Wow, things suddenly got very serious! > > > > > "Nothing personal" (which as you well know, means the person is about to say something 100% offensive), but the only thing that has really ever worried me about Kevin Miller is that he has always been shaved to the lips. Love, Richmond. From jiml at netrin.com Fri Feb 1 13:22:53 2013 From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 10:22:53 -0800 Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark wrote: > have you taken a look at the FILTER command? > filter list with "[1-9]*" That is a possible approach, like this: function getNumericLineStart temp put the number of lines of temp into totalLines sort numeric temp filter temp with "[1-9]*" put the number of lines of temp into totalLinesNumericStart return totalLines-totalLinesNumericStart end getNumericLineStart Not sure if this is any speedier than a repeat loop. Jim Lambert From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 13:42:54 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 10:42:54 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> References: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Apologies if this has already been discussed but I have a licensing question Fast forward a few months, the code base is open source and the free version of LC is available. Someone adds a feature to to the open source (not me, I have no C++ knowledge). People using the free version obviously have access to it. Does RunRev have access to the code for that feature to include in the commercial version of Livecode? If so, do they have an obligation to compensate the original author of the code? Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi, > > It is quite simple. Many consultants and companies will find it profitable > to contribute to the LiveCode engine. RunRev can use these contributions > and include them in the commercial version of LiveCode. This way, the > commercially available engine will develop more quickly, which makes it > more attractive to everybody and RunRev can sell more commercial licenses. > > As an economist, you know that co-operation between two parties allows > them to have complete information, which makes the market more efficient. > An open-source licence makes free exchange of information between all > involved parties possible. Of course, this is only one of many possible > explanations. > > Oh... btw I'm just trying to give you a clue. I don't mean to participate > in an endless discussion on economic viability :-) > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/**xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour > spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > > We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. > > On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an > e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. > > On 2/1/2013 18:48, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > >> I'll preface this with that I am quite familiar with open source, have >> a Ph.D. in Economics, and published the first paper that actually >> explained why and when open sourcing software or backing open source >> solutions can make solid commercial sense. >> >> I'm not quite seeing that here. >> >> Apple really sells hardware, and distinguishes Darwin with OS/X on top of >> it. >> >> IBM really sells served web pages, and would get no advantage, just >> more costs, from a proprietary unix or server, thus massively backs >> Linux & Apache. >> >> Is netscape really still around? >> >> Sun needed an office suite that would run on their unix, and wouldn't >> be able to charge a larger total price for calling OpenOffice a >> separate product; the market they saw was server + light workstations >> + stuff to run. >> >> The closest I see is redhat's commercial side. >> >> But are there enough developers that would pay for support? Some of >> us (most?) will; the thousand or two a year is a small part of our >> expenses if we're full time (and in my case, is one or two annual >> licenses for my own product). >> >> Boosting sales of web serving (I don't see that working on the >> commercial side, though; pricing, etc. isn't even close to competitive >> for just serving, and how many *need* that extra bit of livecode >> maintenance on the server?) >> >> I love the idea, and particularly the inevitable early open source >> change of switching from single monolithic files to some sort of >> revision control for our stacks. And some of the customization I >> would want. >> >> But I just can't see where the revenue stream that keeps livecode >> around will be. >> >> hawk >> >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 13:49:09 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 10:49:09 -0800 Subject: Apple Message-ID: It seems that Apple have the ability to block the use of programs installed on a user's computer and have done that for Java. I understand that there are currently security risks associated with Java, although I thought a patch had been issued to fix them, but it's pretty scary to me that Apple can block the use of any program I install on my computer. Pete lcSQL Software From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 1 13:53:49 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:53:49 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <510C0F3D.60707@fourthworld.com> Dr. Hawkins wrote: > But I just can't see where the revenue stream that keeps livecode > around will be. The other examples you noted weren't dual-licensed. I think a good example here would be MySQL. Before going dual-license, MySQL was just another foundering proprietary RDBMS, not much better or worse than a dozen others. But through dual-licensing, they've been able to grow into a de facto standard, eventually becoming so huge Oracle had no choice but to buy them since MySQL was taking a huge bite out of Oracle. I hope and pray the ultimate result here isn't acquisition by Larry Ellison, but I do hope the rest applies: Being available to everyone as both free-as-in-beer and free-as-in-freedom, the audience can grow orders of magnitude larger than would be likely as a proprietary product. As being a dev tool, there will be a certain percentage who will want to use it for proprietary deployment. So even if the portion of the pie that needs a paid license is smaller, the pie would be so much bigger that net revenues would likely be a multiple of what they could be without the GPL option to evangelize it. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From cmsheffield at icloud.com Fri Feb 1 13:59:56 2013 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 11:59:56 -0700 Subject: mobile push notifications how-to Message-ID: <91E23B63-74C9-494B-A89E-F48B38DF7115@icloud.com> Does anybody have a how-to guide for using push notifications? I've read through the dictionary and the iOS release notes about how to handle received notifications, but how does one actually send out a message? The docs mention a "Push Notification Server" and registering for the service, but I don't understand how you do that. Is it done through iTunes Connect somewhere? I'm probably just a little thick today, but I can't seem to figure this out. Thanks, Chris -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally, Inc. www.readnaturally.com From th.douez at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 14:00:14 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:00:14 +0100 Subject: Kickstarter progress meter stack on revOnline In-Reply-To: References: <4FCAC4CA-0F1B-49D3-9669-96197C69BA72@mac.com> Message-ID: 2013/2/1 Scott Rossi In case you missed it, Thierry Douez made a nice little stack with graphs > here: > http://sunny-tdz.com/dwn > Thanks Scott. > You could combine the stacks into a full screen presentation with mind > numbing, eye glazing statistics. > If you download the stack, you'll see it's stated that you can do whatever with it. Please, do so, but don't forget I've made this stack in a couple of hours for fun. The code for the graph is quite straightforward and about 30 lines. Regards, Thierry Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > > On 2/1/13 2:20 AM, "Bj?rnke von Gierke" wrote: > > >> Can't really do graphs unless your pinging kickstarter constantly like > >>kicktraq does. Would need to do that on a server. But the last increase > >>feature is nice. > > > >Wut? you can do daily stats of both amount of people and amount of money, > >by comparing what came in during the day, Also, it's possible to compare > >the number of backers to the amount of money to get average per backer, > >as well as comparing that day by day. I'm sure there's other ways to > >aggregate the data? > > > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 14:00:37 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 21:00:37 +0200 Subject: Kickstarter stack and those of us at LC 4.5 Message-ID: <510C10D5.8070100@gmail.com> Please can we have a stack in the older stack format? Richmond. From th.douez at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 14:02:46 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:02:46 +0100 Subject: Kickstarter stack and those of us at LC 4.5 In-Reply-To: <510C10D5.8070100@gmail.com> References: <510C10D5.8070100@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2013/2/1 Richmond > Please can we have a stack in the older stack format? > > Mine is :) Thierry > Richmond. > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Feb 1 14:04:15 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:04:15 +0100 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <510C11AF.2040303@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Peter, It is open source and therefore the author doesn't need to be compensated and yes RunRev has access to that code. If RunRev decides to use the new code, they have to provide the new engine as open source, which you might consider a form of compensation for everyone who has contributed any code. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. On 2/1/2013 19:42, Peter Haworth wrote: > Apologies if this has already been discussed but I have a licensing question > > Fast forward a few months, the code base is open source and the free > version of LC is available. Someone adds a feature to to the open source > (not me, I have no C++ knowledge). People using the free > version obviously have access to it. > > Does RunRev have access to the code for that feature to include in the > commercial version of Livecode? If so, do they have an obligation to > compensate the original author of the code? > > Pete > lcSQL Software From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Feb 1 14:09:14 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:09:14 +0100 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <510C12DA.6050007@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Pete, If you know what you're doing, then you're able to turn off this security feature. Run this in terminal: sudo /usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c "Delete :JavaWebComponentVersionMinimum" /System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources/XProtect.meta.plist and turn off the option "Update list of safe downloads" in the Security system control panel. If you don't know what you're doing, then it is better to let Apple protect your computer. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. On 2/1/2013 19:49, Peter Haworth wrote: > It seems that Apple have the ability to block the use of programs installed > on a user's computer and have done that for Java. > > I understand that there are currently security risks associated with Java, > although I thought a patch had been issued to fix them, but it's pretty > scary to me that Apple can block the use of any program I install on my > computer. > > Pete > lcSQL Software > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 14:22:14 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 21:22:14 +0200 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <510C15E6.2040102@gmail.com> > Apologies if this has already been discussed but I have a licensing question > > Fast forward a few months, the code base is open source and the free > version of LC is available. Someone adds a feature to to the open source > (not me, I have no C++ knowledge). People using the free > version obviously have access to it. > > Does RunRev have access to the code for that feature to include in the > commercial version of Livecode? If so, do they have an obligation to > compensate the original author of the code? > > Pete > lcSQL Software > > As far as I understand things, this is an "old trick", and not a bad one, but not done out of rampaging altruism by RunRev . . . . . . and, as I am highly suspicious of when anybody starts protesting their altruistic intentions (which, luckily, RunRev haven't degraded themselves to do), that doesn't fuss me in the slightest . . . As far as I understand thing, RunRev may be feeling that: 1. Not enough people are buying their product. 2. Not enough people are finding out about their product. Of course these are 2 sides of the same coin. Now, by producing a dual-licensing situation lots more people are going to hear about Livecode ( I hope so, otherwise my smallish contribution will be wasted), and, RunRev hopes, more people will feel inclined to buy the commercial variant. Now, as far as I understand Open Source stuff, RunRev would be quite within their rights to use code from the open source code stream of Livecode in their commercial stream as long as they continue to give access to the open source components rolled into their commercial version. This is NOT an original idea: c.f. WINE and CodeWeavers : http://wiki.winehq.org/CodeWeavers And the StarOffice / OpenOfficeOrg situation : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_office As ALL code that is developed for an Open Source project is OPEN I don't think a commercial firm is obliged to recompense anyone as long as they adhere to the GNU License (or whatever thing they use) as far as they go with the Open Source bits they roll into their commercial variant. I would be MOST SURPRISED if RunRev did not intend to "cherry pick" what they feel are the best bits of Open Source code contributed towards the FREE Livecode version; and, frankly, they would be foolish not to. After all, I have the feeling that the amount they are trying to raise via the Kickstarter thing will not really be sufficient for complete funding of what they intend; and, quite apart from anything else, many of their developers will have to be "away" from their commercial desks for a certain amount of time each week to work on the Open Source variant. Now that has to be repaid in some sense; and if how RunRev does that is by cherry-picking, thet seems perfectly reasonable. I would suppose that this is a very large part of the reasoning behind releasing an Open Source version. I would not expect anything more of RunRev than I would expect of myself; and you can be 100% sure I have not pledged my bit out of unalloyed altruism: A very large part of my livelihood comes through the fact that my computers in my EFL school feature programs made with Livecode, and while I make a living wage from my school I am highly unlikely to be able to afford a commercial version of Livecode in the foreseeable future. My Devawriter Pro works as it it (i.e. with RR/LC 4.5), and that is all jolly fine; but my next trick may demand something more up to date. I really hope the Kickstart goal is reached (although I do think a month is insufficient time) as I believe everybody stands to gain from this. Richmond Mathewson. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri Feb 1 14:26:29 2013 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:26:29 -0800 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And they've dropped support and announced to everyone (yesterday) that it's not secure. Sounds like the beginning of the end of Java to me.... On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > It seems that Apple have the ability to block the use of programs installed > on a user's computer and have done that for Java. > > I understand that there are currently security risks associated with Java, > although I thought a patch had been issued to fix them, but it's pretty > scary to me that Apple can block the use of any program I install on my > computer. > > Pete > lcSQL Software > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 14:45:23 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 21:45:23 +0200 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <510C1B53.3030309@gmail.com> On 02/01/2013 09:26 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > And they've dropped support and announced to everyone (yesterday) that it's > not secure. > > Sounds like the beginning of the end of Java to me.... Apple may well have done that, but as they represent a smallish proportion of people using Java globally I would doubt it is the end of it. Reading this : http://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/31/apple-once-again-blocks-java-7-web-plug-in/ makes things seem less black-and-white than perhaps one has been led to believe. one of the commentators has this to say; "Flash, Java, what's next? Internet access to Apple approved sites only?" And there does seem to be a case for believing that Apple is getting too bossy and nanny-stateish about what is good for its end-users. It behaves in exactly the same way with its Appl-store. If this were the way to go (increasingly dictatorial control) why would the people "we know and love", i.e. RunRev, be going in what is almost the opposite direction? Of course a nasty person somewhere round here (no, surely not?) might suggest that RunRev tried the "one-size-fits-all" route after the way it lurched around from Free 10-line capable versions (up to version 2.0.1), 1 month fully functional demos, Free RevMedia, no Free nothings, and so on, and realised that that really wasn't doing much good; and so opted for the alternative course of action. Good things (of which Java and Hypercard-Supercard-Metacard-RunRev-Livecode may be two) just keep coming back. Richmond. From benr_mc at cogapp.com Fri Feb 1 14:45:47 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:45:47 +0000 Subject: Coding challenge In-Reply-To: <1941197849546.20130130191607@ahsoftware.net> References: <1941197849546.20130130191607@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <510C1B6B.9010606@cogapp.com> I'm interested that nobody went recursive. My first solution (I read Mark's email and stopped reading until I'd done a version) was command testChange local t put empty into t repeat 10 times get random(99) put format("to make %d:%s\n", it, makeChange(it)) after t end repeat put t end testChange function makeChange iAmount, tChangeSoFar constant kCoins = "50 20 10 5 2 1" if iAmount < 1 then return tChangeSoFar repeat for each word c in kCoins if iAmount >= c then return makeChange(iAmount - c, tChangeSoFar && c) end if end repeat return "error" end makeChange (note the especially crafty thing here: that by citing my test function, I've justified leaving a leading space in my output...). So far, effectively like the rest - I don't think the recursion is better, I was just surprised that nobody else naturally went that way. When I replaced the coins list with the unusual denominations of Craig$, 6 came out as 4+1+1, as you'd expect. Here I think is where recursion makes things better, because it's easy to adjust: function makeChange iAmount, tChangeSoFar local tCandidates constant kCoins = "40 30 10 4 3 1" -- 50 20 10 5 2 1" if iAmount < 1 then return tChangeSoFar put empty into tCandidates repeat for each word c in kCoins if iAmount < c then next repeat put makeChange(iAmount - c, c) & return after tCandidates end repeat sort lines of tCandidates ascending numeric by the number of words in each return tChangeSoFar && first line of tCandidates end makeChange With these small changes this works, and I'm confident returns the optimal solution - but it gets shockingly slow for values above about 20. The first reason it was so slow is because I'm being lazy above - allowing the code to try options in the wrong order, as each call tries the full set of coins again. I tried speeding it up by making it having found a coin it can use, try with that and the next one down, but not all possibles. I'm reasonably confident that this produced the right result for all cases with Craig's currency - but I wasn't absolutely sure, and it's certainly not a general solution, eg asked to make 27 out of "40 30 23 20 9 1" - admittedly a really crazy currency - it would offer "23 1 1 1 1" rather than the optimal "9 9 9". So in the end I had to rewrite it more substantially: command testChange constant kCoins = "40 30 10 4 3 1" -- "50 20 10 5 2 1" local t put empty into t repeat 10 times get random(99) put format("to make %d:%s\n", it, makeChange(it, kCoins)) after t end repeat put t end testChange function makeChange iAmount, tCoins, tChangeSoFar local tCandidates, i, c, j if iAmount < 1 then return tChangeSoFar -- trim coins that couldn't possibly be used repeat with i = number of words in tCoins down to 1 if word i of tCoins > iAmount then delete word i of tCoins end repeat -- find possible combinations put empty into tCandidates repeat with i = 1 to number of words in tCoins put word i of tCoins into c put makeChange(iAmount - c, word i to -1 of tCoins, c) \ & return after tCandidates end repeat -- return shortest combination sort lines of tCandidates ascending numeric by the number of words in each return tChangeSoFar && first line of tCandidates end makeChange This definitely returns the optimal combination. It's quite slow (fractions of a second, but noticeable fractions). But I feel entirely justified in playing LiveCode's joker: local saAmountCoins2Change function makeChange iAmount, tCoins, tChangeSoFar local tCandidates, i, c, j if iAmount < 1 then return tChangeSoFar -- have we done this before? get saAmountCoins2Change[iAmount, tCoins] if it <> empty then return tChangeSoFar && it -- trim coins that couldn't possibly be used repeat with i = number of words in tCoins down to 1 if word i of tCoins > iAmount then delete word i of tCoins end repeat -- find possible combinations put empty into tCandidates repeat with i = 1 to number of words in tCoins put word i of tCoins into c put makeChange(iAmount - c, word i to -1 of tCoins, c) \ & return after tCandidates end repeat -- return shortest combination sort lines of tCandidates ascending numeric by the number of words in each put first line of tCandidates into saAmountCoins2Change[iAmount, tCoins] return tChangeSoFar && first line of tCandidates end makeChange Interestingly, even if the array is emptied before each run of tests, this changes the typical time for a run of tests from approx 1 second for the ten, to approx 7 milliseconds for the ten. Of course, if the array isn't emptied, after a few runs it approaches zero. (If the array is emptied before each single test, which could be described as fairer, it averages around 20 milliseconds for ten tests). But of course, all of that is only necessary if we move to Craig's Crazy Currency zone. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 1 14:51:07 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:51:07 -0800 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Stephen- Friday, February 1, 2013, 11:26:29 AM, you wrote: > And they've dropped support and announced to everyone (yesterday) that it's > not secure. To remove some of the FUD about this, the insecurity is with the java browser plugin. Anything beyond that needs to be viewed in light of the long-standing pissing match between Ellison and reality. Java is a necessary part of the IT world, and it's not going away soon. Look at the insecurities in Windows, for example. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 14:59:45 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:59:45 -0800 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: <510C12DA.6050007@economy-x-talk.com> References: <510C12DA.6050007@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark. I know enough of what I'm doing to be able to do that! Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi Pete, > > If you know what you're doing, then you're able to turn off this security > feature. > > Run this in terminal: > > sudo /usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c "Delete :**JavaWebComponentVersionMinimum* > *" /System/Library/CoreServices/**CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/** > Resources/XProtect.meta.plist > > > and turn off the option "Update list of safe downloads" in the Security > system control panel. If you don't know what you're doing, then it is > better to let Apple protect your computer. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/**xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour > spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > > We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. > > On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an > e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. > > > On 2/1/2013 19:49, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> It seems that Apple have the ability to block the use of programs >> installed >> on a user's computer and have done that for Java. >> >> I understand that there are currently security risks associated with Java, >> although I thought a patch had been issued to fix them, but it's pretty >> scary to me that Apple can block the use of any program I install on my >> computer. >> >> Pete >> lcSQL Software >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 15:03:43 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:03:43 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <510C11AF.2040303@economy-x-talk.com> References: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> <510C11AF.2040303@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark. As mentioned, I know nothing of C++ so this isn't going to affect me. But it doesn't seem unreasonable that someone who is willing to contribute code into a free product might feel like they should be compensated should that code be incorporated into a product that costs money. Or perhaps I'm missing the point of open source software. Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi Peter, > > It is open source and therefore the author doesn't need to be compensated > and yes RunRev has access to that code. If RunRev decides to use the new > code, they have to provide the new engine as open source, which you might > consider a form of compensation for everyone who has contributed any code. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/**xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour > spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > > We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. > > On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an > e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. > > On 2/1/2013 19:42, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> Apologies if this has already been discussed but I have a licensing >> question >> >> Fast forward a few months, the code base is open source and the free >> version of LC is available. Someone adds a feature to to the open source >> (not me, I have no C++ knowledge). People using the free >> version obviously have access to it. >> >> Does RunRev have access to the code for that feature to include in the >> commercial version of Livecode? If so, do they have an obligation to >> compensate the original author of the code? >> >> Pete >> lcSQL Software >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 1 15:05:01 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:05:01 -0600 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <510C0F3D.60707@fourthworld.com> References: <510C0F3D.60707@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <510C1FED.3030603@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/1/13 12:53 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > As being a dev tool, there will be a certain percentage who will want to > use it for proprietary deployment. And then there's the part how Apple won't accept any GPL apps in either the App Store or the Mac App Store, so anyone developing Apple products will need to purchase the commercial license. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Feb 1 15:11:50 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:11:50 +0100 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> <510C11AF.2040303@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <8C803EF7-D186-42FB-ABE5-51A301E8F5E4@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Pete, Yeah, you're missing the point, kind of. Everyone who contributes can also use all contributions by everyone else and when you contribute, you make it more attractive to others to cntribute too. That's the reward of open-source software and there is no reason for any additional compensation. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. On 1 feb 2013, at 21:03, Peter Haworth wrote: > Thanks Mark. > > As mentioned, I know nothing of C++ so this isn't going to affect me. But > it doesn't seem unreasonable that someone who is willing to contribute code > into a free product might feel like they should be compensated should that > code be incorporated into a product that costs money. Or perhaps I'm > missing the point of open source software. > > Pete > lcSQL Software > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 15:16:24 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:16:24 +0200 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <510C1FED.3030603@hyperactivesw.com> References: <510C0F3D.60707@fourthworld.com> <510C1FED.3030603@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <510C2298.9010900@gmail.com> On 02/01/2013 10:05 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/1/13 12:53 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> As being a dev tool, there will be a certain percentage who will want to >> use it for proprietary deployment. > > And then there's the part how Apple won't accept any GPL apps in > either the App Store or the Mac App Store, so anyone developing Apple > products will need to purchase the commercial license. > That is slightly wrong: where you wrote: "so anyone developing Apple products will need to purchase the commercial license" you should have written: "so anyone developing Apple products to be sold through either the App Store or the Mac App Store will need to purchase the commercial license" I develop a product that works on Macintosh computers (I don't really feel comfortable with the idea that I am "developing Apple Products") that I sell via MacUpdate and my own website -admittedly I do have a commercial license for LC - but there would be no earthly reason why someone could not develop a commercial product using GPL livecode for Macs: Mind you it might seems a bit daft as any Tom, Dick or Harry could pick up the code, change one image and market it as their own; so, arguably, a developer would make exactly one sale before it was whisked away from their control. Richmond. From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Feb 1 15:16:57 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 12:16:57 -0800 Subject: SOAP for Dummies? Message-ID: Hey All: I'm looking to grab some weather data from a web service that apparently uses SOAP requests and responses, for which I know absolutely nothing, (other than it's XML?), and am looking for some more info. I picked up Mark Wieder's SOAP lib stack, but I'm wondering if there's a resource/example somewhere that explains the process in simple terms (thus the "dummy" in the title). I've found dozens of references on the web that talk about structure but I'm still unclear how to use the format with LiveCode. Is this a "put url. . ." type of thing or is the request sent in some other manner? Any examples around somewhere that I can look at? Thanks & Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 15:17:07 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:17:07 +0200 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <8C803EF7-D186-42FB-ABE5-51A301E8F5E4@economy-x-talk.com> References: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> <510C11AF.2040303@economy-x-talk.com> <8C803EF7-D186-42FB-ABE5-51A301E8F5E4@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <510C22C3.30809@gmail.com> On 02/01/2013 10:11 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Pete, > > Yeah, you're missing the point, kind of. Everyone who contributes can also use all contributions by everyone else and when you contribute, you make it more attractive to others to cntribute too. That's the reward of open-source software and there is no reason for any additional compensation. Well-said, that man! > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > > We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. > > On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. > > > > > On 1 feb 2013, at 21:03, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> Thanks Mark. >> >> As mentioned, I know nothing of C++ so this isn't going to affect me. But >> it doesn't seem unreasonable that someone who is willing to contribute code >> into a free product might feel like they should be compensated should that >> code be incorporated into a product that costs money. Or perhaps I'm >> missing the point of open source software. >> >> Pete >> lcSQL Software >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From janschenkel at yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 15:19:58 2013 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:19:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> <510C11AF.2040303@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <1359749998.295.YahooMailNeo@web141102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Pete et al, Good free/open source software projects care about the code hygiene (what bits come from where and are the intellectual property rights respected) and have a contributor agreement which every contributor needs to sign before any of his submitted changes are included in the source tree. It's necessary to preserve the long-term health of the project, and doesn't seem to have stopped people from contributing to these projects in the past :-) When I decided to open source Quartam PDF Library, one of the steps I took was to derive the Quartam Open Source Contributor Agreement from from the Oracle Contributor Agreement to clearly spell out the rules and rights. I can't and won't accept any code changes submitted by someone who hasn't signed the agreement. I have no doubt that RunRev will posit a similar requirement once LiveCode goes open source. Jan Schenkel. ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."??(La Rochefoucauld) ________________________________ From: Peter Haworth To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode Thanks Mark. As mentioned, I know nothing of C++ so this isn't going to affect me.? But it doesn't seem unreasonable that someone who is willing to contribute code into a free product might feel like they should be compensated should that code be incorporated into a product that costs money.? Or perhaps I'm missing the point of open source software. Pete lcSQL Software From yvescoppe at skynet.be Fri Feb 1 15:25:24 2013 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:25:24 +0100 Subject: option menu button Message-ID: <08E36B1F-6693-4B36-9483-DE6D603F293C@skynet.be> Hi list, is it possible to change the selectedtext of an option menu button from an other btn without sending a menuPick message to the option menu button I want at the end of a script that the menu chosen in an option menu button is set to the first one without the menuPick message of this option menu button is sent Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From sc at sahores-conseil.com Fri Feb 1 15:30:57 2013 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:30:57 +0100 Subject: mobile push notifications how-to In-Reply-To: <91E23B63-74C9-494B-A89E-F48B38DF7115@icloud.com> References: <91E23B63-74C9-494B-A89E-F48B38DF7115@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris, Will send to this list the LC (push messages editor), PHP (server relayer to the APNS and GCM servers) and SQL (devices to send the messages too) scripts i use to manage this kind of tasks against iOS and Android next week after coming back to desk. Too recent to be really perfect but works indeed ;-) Best Regards, Pierre Le 1 f?vr. 2013 ? 19:59, Chris Sheffield a ?crit : > Does anybody have a how-to guide for using push notifications? I've read through the dictionary and the iOS release notes about how to handle received notifications, but how does one actually send out a message? The docs mention a "Push Notification Server" and registering for the service, but I don't understand how you do that. Is it done through iTunes Connect somewhere? > > I'm probably just a little thick today, but I can't seem to figure this out. > > Thanks, > Chris > > > > -- > Chris Sheffield > Read Naturally, Inc. > www.readnaturally.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 15:33:25 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:33:25 -0800 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Right, I knew it was only the browser plugin. I just find it unbelievable that Apple can get into my computer at home and block something from running on it without asking my permission first. Or maybe they did and I missed it :-) Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Stephen- > > Friday, February 1, 2013, 11:26:29 AM, you wrote: > > > And they've dropped support and announced to everyone (yesterday) that > it's > > not secure. > > To remove some of the FUD about this, the insecurity is with the java > browser plugin. Anything beyond that needs to be viewed in light of > the long-standing pissing match between Ellison and reality. Java is a > necessary part of the IT world, and it's not going away soon. Look at > the insecurities in Windows, for example. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From janschenkel at yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 15:28:08 2013 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:28:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: option menu button In-Reply-To: <08E36B1F-6693-4B36-9483-DE6D603F293C@skynet.be> References: <08E36B1F-6693-4B36-9483-DE6D603F293C@skynet.be> Message-ID: <1359750488.68412.YahooMailNeo@web141104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Yves, Lock messages before you change the selected text and unlock messages after. This will prevent the 'menuPick' message from being sent. HTH, Jan Schenkel. ? ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ----- Original Message ----- From: Yves COPPE To: Use Rev Cc: Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 9:25 PM Subject: option menu button Hi list, is it possible to change the selectedtext of an option menu button from an other btn without sending a menuPick message to the option menu button I want at the end of a script that the menu chosen in an option menu button is set to the first one without the menuPick message of this option menu button is sent Greetings. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From yvescoppe at skynet.be Fri Feb 1 15:38:51 2013 From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:38:51 +0100 Subject: option menu button In-Reply-To: <1359750488.68412.YahooMailNeo@web141104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <08E36B1F-6693-4B36-9483-DE6D603F293C@skynet.be> <1359750488.68412.YahooMailNeo@web141104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42BF5F0F-D806-4CD9-A8A9-B12230438EED@skynet.be> Hi Jan, Ok, it runs ! so simple ... Le 1 f?vr. 2013 ? 21:28, Jan Schenkel a ?crit : > Hi Yves, > > Lock messages before you change the selected text and unlock messages after. > This will prevent the 'menuPick' message from being sent. > > HTH, > > Jan Schenkel. > > ===== > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode > www.quartam.com > > > ===== > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Yves COPPE > To: Use Rev > Cc: > Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 9:25 PM > Subject: option menu button > > Hi list, > > is it possible to change the selectedtext of an option menu button from an other btn without sending a menuPick message to the option menu button > > I want at the end of a script that the menu chosen in an option menu button is set to the first one without the menuPick message of this option menu button is sent > > > Greetings. > > Yves COPPE > yvescoppe at skynet.be > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Amicalement. Yves COPPE yvescoppe at skynet.be From jeff at siphonophore.com Fri Feb 1 15:43:07 2013 From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:43:07 -0500 Subject: A Personal Letter from Our CEO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: well a good beard should then be about 35 quid per hair then so perhaps there should be a funding level for a follicle level support. maybe get your name laser etched on a hair or get the clipped hair at the end of the year. Just another way to incentivize the fundraising. I know having a beard hair from kevin in a block of acrylic on my desk would be something to cherish and pass on, but maybe thats just me... just a silly thought... cheers, jeff From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Fri Feb 1 15:48:46 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:48:46 -0800 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: I think the only way they can do that is with 'Software Update'. Paul On 2013-02-01, at 12:33 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Right, I knew it was only the browser plugin. I just find it unbelievable > that Apple can get into my computer at home and block something from > running on it without asking my permission first. Or maybe they did and I > missed it :-) > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> Stephen- >> >> Friday, February 1, 2013, 11:26:29 AM, you wrote: >> >>> And they've dropped support and announced to everyone (yesterday) that >> it's >>> not secure. >> >> To remove some of the FUD about this, the insecurity is with the java >> browser plugin. Anything beyond that needs to be viewed in light of >> the long-standing pissing match between Ellison and reality. Java is a >> necessary part of the IT world, and it's not going away soon. Look at >> the insecurities in Windows, for example. >> >> -- >> -Mark Wieder >> mwieder at ahsoftware.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 1 15:50:14 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 07:50:14 +1100 Subject: SOAP for Dummies? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Scott It's just a post to the url. I used Mark's stack in a project. From memory I had to tweak a couple of things in the soap template to suit the server I was posting to but it works well. Cheers Monte On 02/02/2013, at 7:16 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Hey All: > > I'm looking to grab some weather data from a web service that apparently > uses SOAP requests and responses, for which I know absolutely nothing, > (other than it's XML?), and am looking for some more info. > > I picked up Mark Wieder's SOAP lib stack, but I'm wondering if there's a > resource/example somewhere that explains the process in simple terms (thus > the "dummy" in the title). I've found dozens of references on the web that > talk about structure but I'm still unclear how to use the format with > LiveCode. Is this a "put url. . ." type of thing or is the request sent in > some other manner? Any examples around somewhere that I can look at? > > Thanks & Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From sc at sahores-conseil.com Fri Feb 1 15:52:11 2013 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:52:11 +0100 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1340B717-E882-43BA-8412-A8D2DA39D0CD@sahores-conseil.com> The Java security model i learned about along my master 2 in net apps design and dev (2004) helped me to understand that the Java security model was mostly broken in any sense of this term? Should be good to see that nine years later, Java begin to appear as a less productive platform than the marketing maked it appear along the 18 last years. Le 1 f?vr. 2013 ? 20:26, stephen barncard a ?crit : > And they've dropped support and announced to everyone (yesterday) that it's > not secure. > > Sounds like the beginning of the end of Java to me.... > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> It seems that Apple have the ability to block the use of programs installed >> on a user's computer and have done that for Java. >> >> I understand that there are currently security risks associated with Java, >> although I thought a patch had been issued to fix them, but it's pretty >> scary to me that Apple can block the use of any program I install on my >> computer. >> >> Pete >> lcSQL Software >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > -- > > > > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco Ca. USA > > more about sqb > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From dunbarx at aol.com Fri Feb 1 15:58:11 2013 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:58:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFCED5FABC0384-13B0-63AED@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com> Jim. This is very cute. Almost Jacque-like. But there is a problem in that much, if not all of his data is both alpha and numeric, like "A2" So filtering will not eliminate those lines that contain strings in that form. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Jim Lambert To: use-livecode Sent: Fri, Feb 1, 2013 1:24 pm Subject: Re: to find the first numeric line? Mark wrote: > have you taken a look at the FILTER command? > filter list with "[1-9]*" That is a possible approach, like this: function getNumericLineStart temp put the number of lines of temp into totalLines sort numeric temp filter temp with "[1-9]*" put the number of lines of temp into totalLinesNumericStart return totalLines-totalLinesNumericStart end getNumericLineStart Not sure if this is any speedier than a repeat loop. Jim Lambert _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 1 15:59:45 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:59:45 -0500 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <48DCB12A-04FD-4AD0-B5F2-5A4CA3DA23B0@verizon.net> That may be the normal way to update software. What they've done, which is clever really, is just change the version number that Java requires to work, without changing any installed applications. By changing that to a version later than the current one, it effectively disables all sites. On Feb 1, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > >I think the only way they can do that is with 'Software Update'. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 1 16:01:46 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: SOAP for Dummies? References: Message-ID: Scott Rossi writes: > > Hey All: > > I'm looking to grab some weather data from a web service that apparently > uses SOAP requests and responses, for which I know absolutely nothing, > (other than it's XML?), and am looking for some more info. > > I picked up Mark Wieder's SOAP lib stack, but I'm wondering if there's a > resource/example somewhere that explains the process in simple terms (thus > the "dummy" in the title). I've found dozens of references on the web that > talk about structure but I'm still unclear how to use the format with > LiveCode. Is this a "put url. . ." type of thing or is the request sent in > some other manner? Any examples around somewhere that I can look at? It's unfortunately not as simple as a "put url" statement. Your best friend here is the associated wsdl document. However, these are hierarchical xml documents and aren't particularly user-readable. If you have a recent version of the libSOAP library, use the WSDL.CreateServicePrototypeFromFile function to generate the code you need to call the web service. The parameters are a path to the wsdl file on your computer and the name of the service you want to call. Then start using the library and just use the generated code. Calling a web service is a complicated matter of creating an SOAP header and then an associated SOAP envelope, both xml, posting those to the web server using an xmlrpc call, getting the response from the service, and parsing it. The libSOAP library tries its best to insulate you from having to know the intimate details of what's going on there. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 16:02:00 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 23:02:00 +0200 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: <48DCB12A-04FD-4AD0-B5F2-5A4CA3DA23B0@verizon.net> References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> <48DCB12A-04FD-4AD0-B5F2-5A4CA3DA23B0@verizon.net> Message-ID: <510C2D48.5070704@gmail.com> On 02/01/2013 10:59 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > That may be the normal way to update software. What they've done, which is clever really, is just change the version number that Java requires to work, without changing any installed applications. By changing that to a version later than the current one, it effectively disables all sites. Yup; but sooner or later Java will update to a number higher than that: does that mean that Apple will keep changing the version number so it is always one jump ahead? > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > >>> I think the only way they can do that is with 'Software Update'. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 16:03:48 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 13:03:48 -0800 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: You could be right, but what I read in the paper was "Apple sends out virtual blacklists to internet-connected Macs, instructing them not run certain programs". That sounds like something other than a software update. Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > I think the only way they can do that is with 'Software Update'. > > Paul > > On 2013-02-01, at 12:33 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > Right, I knew it was only the browser plugin. I just find it > unbelievable > > that Apple can get into my computer at home and block something from > > running on it without asking my permission first. Or maybe they did and > I > > missed it :-) > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Mark Wieder > wrote: > > > >> Stephen- > >> > >> Friday, February 1, 2013, 11:26:29 AM, you wrote: > >> > >>> And they've dropped support and announced to everyone (yesterday) that > >> it's > >>> not secure. > >> > >> To remove some of the FUD about this, the insecurity is with the java > >> browser plugin. Anything beyond that needs to be viewed in light of > >> the long-standing pissing match between Ellison and reality. Java is a > >> necessary part of the IT world, and it's not going away soon. Look at > >> the insecurities in Windows, for example. > >> > >> -- > >> -Mark Wieder > >> mwieder at ahsoftware.net > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 16:05:37 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 23:05:37 +0200 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <510C2E21.1030401@gmail.com> > You could be right, but what I read in the paper was "Apple sends out > virtual blacklists to internet-connected Macs, instructing them not run > certain programs". That sounds like something other than a software update. That sounds legally "dicky". > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 1 16:06:33 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 16:06:33 -0500 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: <510C2D48.5070704@gmail.com> References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> <48DCB12A-04FD-4AD0-B5F2-5A4CA3DA23B0@verizon.net> <510C2D48.5070704@gmail.com> Message-ID: They did do that once already, but once the security issue (or whatever the big deal is) is fixed, then it will be left alone. The goal isn't to block Java, it's to stop people from hijacking your machine. Here's a reminder about the issue at hand: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/u-s-agency-warns-of-java-software-problem/ On Feb 1, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Richmond wrote: > >Yup; but sooner or later Java will update to a number higher than that: does that mean that Apple will keep changing the version number > so it is always one jump ahead? From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 16:06:56 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 13:06:56 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <8C803EF7-D186-42FB-ABE5-51A301E8F5E4@economy-x-talk.com> References: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> <510C11AF.2040303@economy-x-talk.com> <8C803EF7-D186-42FB-ABE5-51A301E8F5E4@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: OK, makes some kind of sense. Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi Pete, > > Yeah, you're missing the point, kind of. Everyone who contributes can also > use all contributions by everyone else and when you contribute, you make it > more attractive to others to cntribute too. That's the reward of > open-source software and there is no reason for any additional compensation. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour > spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > > We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. > > On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an > e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. > > > > > On 1 feb 2013, at 21:03, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > Thanks Mark. > > > > As mentioned, I know nothing of C++ so this isn't going to affect me. > But > > it doesn't seem unreasonable that someone who is willing to contribute > code > > into a free product might feel like they should be compensated should > that > > code be incorporated into a product that costs money. Or perhaps I'm > > missing the point of open source software. > > > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 1 16:08:49 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:08:49 -0600 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <510C2298.9010900@gmail.com> References: <510C0F3D.60707@fourthworld.com> <510C1FED.3030603@hyperactivesw.com> <510C2298.9010900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <510C2EE1.9040408@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/1/13 2:16 PM, Richmond wrote: > where you wrote: "so anyone developing Apple products will need to > purchase the commercial license" > > you should have written: "so anyone developing Apple products to be sold > through either the App Store or the Mac App Store will need to purchase > the commercial license" Yes, quite right. You can sell anything you want outside of the Apple stores. Problem is, with Gatekeeper now putting up scary notices, fewer and fewer people are willing to do that. I think most developers will eventually opt to use a commercial license. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 1 16:12:28 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:12:28 -0600 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <510C2FBC.2010208@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/1/13 2:33 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Right, I knew it was only the browser plugin. I just find it unbelievable > that Apple can get into my computer at home and block something from > running on it without asking my permission first. Or maybe they did and I > missed it :-) Google Play store does the same thing. Android users were grateful when malware was discovered in a widely-distributed app, and hundreds of people's devices were immediately scrubbed clean remotely. There are pros and cons, but in this case everyone was glad. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 1 16:15:05 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:15:05 -0600 Subject: A Personal Letter from Our CEO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <510C3059.2020108@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/1/13 2:43 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote: > I know having a beard hair from kevin in a block of acrylic on my > desk would be something to cherish and pass on, but maybe thats just > me... Yeah, probably. :) But maybe he should include it in the Kickstarter gift lists anyway. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 1 16:19:26 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Apple References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Peter Haworth writes: > > Right, I knew it was only the browser plugin. I just find it unbelievable > that Apple can get into my computer at home and block something from > running on it without asking my permission first. Or maybe they did and I > missed it The latter. By not returning the hardware/software combination to the place it was "purchased" within the return period, you agreed to the license agreement, which states in part "Apple and/or Apple's licensors retain ownership of the Apple Software itself and reserve all rights not expressly granted to you." That's in section 1A of the EULA. Section 1B describes upgrades/updates. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 1 16:24:13 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 16:24:13 -0500 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: <48DCB12A-04FD-4AD0-B5F2-5A4CA3DA23B0@verizon.net> References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> <48DCB12A-04FD-4AD0-B5F2-5A4CA3DA23B0@verizon.net> Message-ID: <756818AE-7318-4D08-8FC2-600A24C82C48@verizon.net> Looks like Java will be back on soon: http://www.macrumors.com/2013/02/01/oracle-releases-java-7-update-13-to-address-security-issues-reenable-web-plug-in-on-os-x/ From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 1 16:38:41 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 08:38:41 +1100 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> <510C11AF.2040303@economy-x-talk.com> <8C803EF7-D186-42FB-ABE5-51A301E8F5E4@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <5C9FAD7C-72C9-438B-97CC-C3E5B6DC5148@sweattechnologies.com> I believe the intention is to have a rewards for contributors to the engine. Points that go towards commercial licenses. That's just a bonus though. I think what's most likely to happen is something like this: RunRev will do most feature development A developer hits a bug when working on an app If they know C++ then they might try and fix it. If not they might report it. If RunRev are too slow and it's a blocker the developer could pay someone to fix it and submit to RunRev. I'm still waiting for RunRev's response on the last point relating to how the Enterprise license fits in here. For example, if I could own the enterprise license and fix a bug for someone then send a pull request against the GPL repo and build for people with commercial licenses there could be some work there but I don't know how the restrictions apply. Do my clients also need enterprise to release with the modified engine. Am I permitted to distribute LC with a modified engine. Perhaps RunRev would like to keep this kind of quick turnaround paid bug fixing service for themselves which is entirely in their rights to do and might be a good business decision for them. One interesting idea for RunRev would be for them to allow Enterprise license holders to name their C++ developer. It's a single seat license but perhaps its reasonable (seeing as C++ knowledge is rare around here) that the source access could be given to a third party thereby enabling only distribution of the modified engine between the C++ dev and the Enterprise license holder. I guess this could be done using the extra seat which I think is going to be $2500. So perhaps if someone wants me to be their C++ dev on engine work they need to buy enterprise then buy me a seat on their license??? Not sure how it's all going to work but I do know there's lots of new possibilities that will come out of all of this so it's going to be fun working it all out. On 02/02/2013, at 8:06 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > OK, makes some kind of sense. > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Mark Schonewille < > m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > >> Hi Pete, >> >> Yeah, you're missing the point, kind of. Everyone who contributes can also >> use all contributions by everyone else and when you contribute, you make it >> more attractive to others to cntribute too. That's the reward of >> open-source software and there is no reason for any additional compensation. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 17:02:57 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:02:57 -0800 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: OK, but Java isn't "Apple software", is it? Even their own software updates notify me it's about to be updated and a chance to say yay or nay. Plus, owning the software doesn't seem like it gives them the right to block it from running on my computer. I get Jacque's point about it being for my own good - it would just be nice to be informed that it was happening. I know it's a moot point because Apple seem to be able to do whatever the hell they want these days! Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Peter Haworth writes: > > > > > Right, I knew it was only the browser plugin. I just find it > unbelievable > > that Apple can get into my computer at home and block something from > > running on it without asking my permission first. Or maybe they did and > I > > missed it > > The latter. By not returning the hardware/software combination to the > place it > was "purchased" within the return period, you agreed to the license > agreement, > which states in part "Apple and/or Apple's licensors retain ownership of > the > Apple Software itself and reserve all rights not expressly granted to you." > That's in section 1A of the EULA. Section 1B describes upgrades/updates. > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From benr_mc at cogapp.com Fri Feb 1 15:39:13 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:39:13 +0000 Subject: # 8 on Kicktraq! In-Reply-To: <538BAA59-1C27-4335-8816-8CAA6F0934AC@sweattechnologies.com> References: <4D382F57-2755-43A7-B085-45EF98E22518@sweattechnologies.com> <1347CB44-744A-4313-BDC9-80B2EC56930A@gmail.com> <8AC889C0-13A9-45BA-9E4A-1F45686D45EB@sweattechnologies.com> <6ACFB140-CBCC-40B9-9960-6F7F2AEE804E@verizon.net> <631125783390.20130129231501@ahsoftware.net> <85965A76-F990-48D1-AA85-06B8EFB170A6@verizon.net> <538BAA59-1C27-4335-8816-8CAA6F0934AC@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <510C27F1.2050905@cogapp.com> On 31/01/2013 19:33, Monte Goulding wrote: > Dropping back and the funding is coming in too slow. > > If you multiply yesterday's pledges by 29 and add the 32002 from the first day then we are looking at 282,446. Kicktraq still says we are trending above target but it won't in a few days if we don't pick things up. Yep. Overall, Kickstarter analysis (see Michael Wolf) is that 20%-30% is the tipping point - most projects that fail, fail with less than 20% of their goal; almost all that get past about 30%, succeed. But I'm not sure that analysis, or Kicktraq's trends and projections, really apply or help here, because of our unusual situation: there's a certain community that already knows and loves LiveCode, most can be convinced that this would be a good thing, and a certain proportion are prepared to donate to help it happen - and almost all the members of that community are easily reached, and probably already have been. So that first heady rush that took it to 10% wasn't really indicative of the same kind of progress as it would if made by some random new bright idea from some new bunch of bright people that hardly anyone's heard of - ie the typical at least tech Kickstarter project. Rather, that represented the easy bit - tapping the existing community. I'm not saying that's over - many people are still thinking about it, or still to be convinced, who may yet decide to contribute; and some people who have contributed, may be prepared to contribute more. I'll expect more emails from Kevin like the one today at regularly intervals over the next month. But I'd guess a large proportion of the funding that's available from the community has been tapped. So now the hard part starts - the remaining 88% or whatever has to be beaten out of the people who've mostly never heard of LiveCode (although some of them have at least heard of HyperCard, and they should be the next softest target). In many ways the situation more closely resembles starting from zero to raise ?305K, than it does being 12% of the way towards ?350K. So fun though all the Kicktraq graphs, and stacks that go ping* are: what we really need to do be doing is not watching the meter, but getting out on the street and shouting the news. If you have a following, shouting it to them; and if you know someone with a bigger following, persuading that person to shout it to their following. How I wish I had a following. Ben *although, if the stack that went ping was easily distributable as an example of the power of the language... From kevin at runrev.com Fri Feb 1 17:34:32 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 22:34:32 +0000 Subject: # 8 on Kicktraq! In-Reply-To: <510C27F1.2050905@cogapp.com> References: <4D382F57-2755-43A7-B085-45EF98E22518@sweattechnologies.com> <1347CB44-744A-4313-BDC9-80B2EC56930A@gmail.com> <8AC889C0-13A9-45BA-9E4A-1F45686D45EB@sweattechnologies.com> <6ACFB140-CBCC-40B9-9960-6F7F2AEE804E@verizon.net> <631125783390.20130129231501@ahsoftware.net> <85965A76-F990-48D1-AA85-06B8EFB170A6@verizon.net> <538BAA59-1C27-4335-8816-8CAA6F0934AC@sweattechnologies.com> <510C27F1.2050905@cogapp.com> Message-ID: This is good analysis. Our existing community is quite a bit bigger so plenty more to be convinced there. But you're right we need to reach a broader community. Millions remember HyperCard which is our strongest card (pardon the pun). Question: how good do you think the video really is for those outside the community? We were very pleased with it when we launched it but I wonder if we are a little close to it and there is more we could do to make it connect better? Would be great to get some more objective feedback. Sent from my iPhone On 1 Feb 2013, at 20:39, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > On 31/01/2013 19:33, Monte Goulding wrote: >> Dropping back and the funding is coming in too slow. >> >> If you multiply yesterday's pledges by 29 and add the 32002 from the first day then we are looking at 282,446. Kicktraq still says we are trending above target but it won't in a few days if we don't pick things up. > > Yep. Overall, Kickstarter analysis (see Michael Wolf) is that 20%-30% is the tipping point - most projects that fail, fail with less than 20% of their goal; almost all that get past about 30%, succeed. > > But I'm not sure that analysis, or Kicktraq's trends and projections, really apply or help here, because of our unusual situation: there's a certain community that already knows and loves LiveCode, most can be convinced that this would be a good thing, and a certain proportion are prepared to donate to help it happen - and almost all the members of that community are easily reached, and probably already have been. > > So that first heady rush that took it to 10% wasn't really indicative of the same kind of progress as it would if made by some random new bright idea from some new bunch of bright people that hardly anyone's heard of - ie the typical at least tech Kickstarter project. Rather, that represented the easy bit - tapping the existing community. I'm not saying that's over - many people are still thinking about it, or still to be convinced, who may yet decide to contribute; and some people who have contributed, may be prepared to contribute more. I'll expect more emails from Kevin like the one today at regularly intervals over the next month. But I'd guess a large proportion of the funding that's available from the community has been tapped. > > So now the hard part starts - the remaining 88% or whatever has to be beaten out of the people who've mostly never heard of LiveCode (although some of them have at least heard of HyperCard, and they should be the next softest target). In many ways the situation more closely resembles starting from zero to raise ?305K, than it does being 12% of the way towards ?350K. > > So fun though all the Kicktraq graphs, and stacks that go ping* are: what we really need to do be doing is not watching the meter, but getting out on the street and shouting the news. If you have a following, shouting it to them; and if you know someone with a bigger following, persuading that person to shout it to their following. > > How I wish I had a following. > > Ben > > *although, if the stack that went ping was easily distributable as an example of the power of the language... > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 1 17:45:07 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 22:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Apple References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Peter Haworth writes: > > OK, but Java isn't "Apple software", is it? Even their own software > updates notify me it's about to be updated and a chance to say yay or nay. > Plus, owning the software doesn't seem like it gives them the right to > block it from running on my computer. Of course it does - my guess is that it was installed as part of the operating system, meaning that you didn't take it upon yourself to delete it and replace it with OpenJDK or something similar. Look, I'm not going to try to explain the rest of the EULA to you because I'm not one of them lawyer fellas and I'll probably screw it up. But "Apple software" is defined, various third-party licenses are dealt with, and you agreed to it, including that part about Apple reserving "all rights not expressly granted to you". Game over. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 17:59:57 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:59:57 -0800 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Like I said, Apple appear to be able to do whatever the hell they want these days. Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Peter Haworth writes: > > > > > OK, but Java isn't "Apple software", is it? Even their own software > > updates notify me it's about to be updated and a chance to say yay or > nay. > > Plus, owning the software doesn't seem like it gives them the right to > > block it from running on my computer. > > Of course it does - my guess is that it was installed as part of the > operating > system, meaning that you didn't take it upon yourself to delete it and > replace > it with OpenJDK or something similar. Look, I'm not going to try to > explain the > rest of the EULA to you because I'm not one of them lawyer fellas and I'll > probably screw it up. But "Apple software" is defined, various third-party > licenses are dealt with, and you agreed to it, including that part about > Apple > reserving "all rights not expressly granted to you". Game over. > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 18:06:06 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:06:06 -0800 Subject: # 8 on Kicktraq! In-Reply-To: References: <4D382F57-2755-43A7-B085-45EF98E22518@sweattechnologies.com> <1347CB44-744A-4313-BDC9-80B2EC56930A@gmail.com> <8AC889C0-13A9-45BA-9E4A-1F45686D45EB@sweattechnologies.com> <6ACFB140-CBCC-40B9-9960-6F7F2AEE804E@verizon.net> <631125783390.20130129231501@ahsoftware.net> <85965A76-F990-48D1-AA85-06B8EFB170A6@verizon.net> <538BAA59-1C27-4335-8816-8CAA6F0934AC@sweattechnologies.com> <510C27F1.2050905@cogapp.com> Message-ID: I have a friend who ran a successful KS project, albeit for a lot less money. One of the things he did was to post updates to the project every couple of days - news of well known donors, encouraging words to donate, even repeating stuff from the main body of the project, anything to keep the project page dynamic. Just another string to the bow. Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > This is good analysis. Our existing community is quite a bit bigger so > plenty more to be convinced there. But you're right we need to reach a > broader community. Millions remember HyperCard which is our strongest card > (pardon the pun). > > Question: how good do you think the video really is for those outside the > community? We were very pleased with it when we launched it but I wonder if > we are a little close to it and there is more we could do to make it > connect better? Would be great to get some more objective feedback. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 1 Feb 2013, at 20:39, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > > > On 31/01/2013 19:33, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> Dropping back and the funding is coming in too slow. > >> > >> If you multiply yesterday's pledges by 29 and add the 32002 from the > first day then we are looking at 282,446. Kicktraq still says we are > trending above target but it won't in a few days if we don't pick things up. > > > > Yep. Overall, Kickstarter analysis (see Michael Wolf) is that 20%-30% > is the tipping point - most projects that fail, fail with less than 20% of > their goal; almost all that get past about 30%, succeed. > > > > But I'm not sure that analysis, or Kicktraq's trends and projections, > really apply or help here, because of our unusual situation: there's a > certain community that already knows and loves LiveCode, most can be > convinced that this would be a good thing, and a certain proportion are > prepared to donate to help it happen - and almost all the members of that > community are easily reached, and probably already have been. > > > > So that first heady rush that took it to 10% wasn't really indicative of > the same kind of progress as it would if made by some random new bright > idea from some new bunch of bright people that hardly anyone's heard of - > ie the typical at least tech Kickstarter project. Rather, that represented > the easy bit - tapping the existing community. I'm not saying that's over > - many people are still thinking about it, or still to be convinced, who > may yet decide to contribute; and some people who have contributed, may be > prepared to contribute more. I'll expect more emails from Kevin like the > one today at regularly intervals over the next month. But I'd guess a > large proportion of the funding that's available from the community has > been tapped. > > > > So now the hard part starts - the remaining 88% or whatever has to be > beaten out of the people who've mostly never heard of LiveCode (although > some of them have at least heard of HyperCard, and they should be the next > softest target). In many ways the situation more closely resembles > starting from zero to raise ?305K, than it does being 12% of the way > towards ?350K. > > > > So fun though all the Kicktraq graphs, and stacks that go ping* are: > what we really need to do be doing is not watching the meter, but getting > out on the street and shouting the news. If you have a following, shouting > it to them; and if you know someone with a bigger following, persuading > that person to shout it to their following. > > > > How I wish I had a following. > > > > Ben > > > > *although, if the stack that went ping was easily distributable as an > example of the power of the language... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jiml at netrin.com Fri Feb 1 18:10:23 2013 From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:10:23 -0800 Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6522B6DA-28FE-41D5-8FBB-E13367535C7A@netrin.com> Craig wrote: > But there is a problem in that much, if not all of his data is both alpha and numeric, like "A2" > So filtering will not eliminate those lines that contain strings in that form. > Works on this: 1a 1b a1 a2b4 3t c7 5u h2 5k Give it a shot. JimL > Mark wrote: > >> have you taken a look at the FILTER command? >> filter list with "[1-9]*" > > That is a possible approach, like this: > > function getNumericLineStart temp > put the number of lines of temp into totalLines > sort numeric temp > filter temp with "[1-9]*" > put the number of lines of temp into totalLinesNumericStart > return totalLines-totalLinesNumericStart > end getNumericLineStart > > Not sure if this is any speedier than a repeat loop. > > Jim Lambert From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 18:12:50 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:12:50 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <5C9FAD7C-72C9-438B-97CC-C3E5B6DC5148@sweattechnologies.com> References: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> <510C11AF.2040303@economy-x-talk.com> <8C803EF7-D186-42FB-ABE5-51A301E8F5E4@economy-x-talk.com> <5C9FAD7C-72C9-438B-97CC-C3E5B6DC5148@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Thanks Monte. I guess I was thinking of new features rather than bug fixes, e.g some sort of new control. But I guess the principal is the same. As you say, it will be interesting to see how all this unfolds. Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > I believe the intention is to have a rewards for contributors to the > engine. Points that go towards commercial licenses. That's just a bonus > though. I think what's most likely to happen is something like this: > > RunRev will do most feature development > A developer hits a bug when working on an app > If they know C++ then they might try and fix it. If not they might report > it. > If RunRev are too slow and it's a blocker the developer could pay someone > to fix it and submit to RunRev. > > I'm still waiting for RunRev's response on the last point relating to how > the Enterprise license fits in here. For example, if I could own the > enterprise license and fix a bug for someone then send a pull request > against the GPL repo and build for people with commercial licenses there > could be some work there but I don't know how the restrictions apply. Do my > clients also need enterprise to release with the modified engine. Am I > permitted to distribute LC with a modified engine. Perhaps RunRev would > like to keep this kind of quick turnaround paid bug fixing service for > themselves which is entirely in their rights to do and might be a good > business decision for them. > > One interesting idea for RunRev would be for them to allow Enterprise > license holders to name their C++ developer. It's a single seat license but > perhaps its reasonable (seeing as C++ knowledge is rare around here) that > the source access could be given to a third party thereby enabling only > distribution of the modified engine between the C++ dev and the Enterprise > license holder. I guess this could be done using the extra seat which I > think is going to be $2500. So perhaps if someone wants me to be their C++ > dev on engine work they need to buy enterprise then buy me a seat on their > license??? Not sure how it's all going to work but I do know there's lots > of new possibilities that will come out of all of this so it's going to be > fun working it all out. > > On 02/02/2013, at 8:06 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > OK, makes some kind of sense. > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Mark Schonewille < > > m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi Pete, > >> > >> Yeah, you're missing the point, kind of. Everyone who contributes can > also > >> use all contributions by everyone else and when you contribute, you > make it > >> more attractive to others to cntribute too. That's the reward of > >> open-source software and there is no reason for any additional > compensation. > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jiml at netrin.com Fri Feb 1 18:21:50 2013 From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:21:50 -0800 Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Forgot to add 1. So make that: function getNumericLineStarts temp put the number of lines of temp into totalLines sort numeric temp filter temp with "[1-9]*" put the number of lines of temp into totalLinesNumericStart return totalLines-totalLinesNumericStart + 1 end getNumericLineStarts Jim Lambert From bogdanoff at me.com Fri Feb 1 18:22:12 2013 From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:22:12 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> <510C11AF.2040303@economy-x-talk.com> <8C803EF7-D186-42FB-ABE5-51A301E8F5E4@economy-x-talk.com> <5C9FAD7C-72C9-438B-97CC-C3E5B6DC5148@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <2137CED9-37D4-42A5-9C80-4BA83D474706@me.com> Hi, What I don't quite understand is the physical difference between a commercially-licensed and an open source-licensed RunRev application. Is the first just like it is presently, but the second is....? Or the LiveCode application has two versions...? Peter UCLA On Feb 1, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Thanks Monte. I guess I was thinking of new features rather than bug > fixes, e.g some sort of new control. But I guess the principal is the same. > > As you say, it will be interesting to see how all this unfolds. > > > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Monte Goulding > wrote: > >> I believe the intention is to have a rewards for contributors to the >> engine. Points that go towards commercial licenses. That's just a bonus >> though. I think what's most likely to happen is something like this: >> >> RunRev will do most feature development >> A developer hits a bug when working on an app >> If they know C++ then they might try and fix it. If not they might report >> it. >> If RunRev are too slow and it's a blocker the developer could pay someone >> to fix it and submit to RunRev. >> >> I'm still waiting for RunRev's response on the last point relating to how >> the Enterprise license fits in here. For example, if I could own the >> enterprise license and fix a bug for someone then send a pull request >> against the GPL repo and build for people with commercial licenses there >> could be some work there but I don't know how the restrictions apply. Do my >> clients also need enterprise to release with the modified engine. Am I >> permitted to distribute LC with a modified engine. Perhaps RunRev would >> like to keep this kind of quick turnaround paid bug fixing service for >> themselves which is entirely in their rights to do and might be a good >> business decision for them. >> >> One interesting idea for RunRev would be for them to allow Enterprise >> license holders to name their C++ developer. It's a single seat license but >> perhaps its reasonable (seeing as C++ knowledge is rare around here) that >> the source access could be given to a third party thereby enabling only >> distribution of the modified engine between the C++ dev and the Enterprise >> license holder. I guess this could be done using the extra seat which I >> think is going to be $2500. So perhaps if someone wants me to be their C++ >> dev on engine work they need to buy enterprise then buy me a seat on their >> license??? Not sure how it's all going to work but I do know there's lots >> of new possibilities that will come out of all of this so it's going to be >> fun working it all out. >> >> On 02/02/2013, at 8:06 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: >> >>> OK, makes some kind of sense. >>> Pete >>> lcSQL Software >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Mark Schonewille < >>> m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Pete, >>>> >>>> Yeah, you're missing the point, kind of. Everyone who contributes can >> also >>>> use all contributions by everyone else and when you contribute, you >> make it >>>> more attractive to others to cntribute too. That's the reward of >>>> open-source software and there is no reason for any additional >> compensation. >> >> -- >> Monte Goulding >> >> M E R Goulding - software development services >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bonnmike at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 18:26:51 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 16:26:51 -0700 Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Could change it to sort numeric temp filter temp without "[1-9]*" return the number of lines of temp + 1 thereby killing 2 of the lines. From bonnmike at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 18:32:34 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 16:32:34 -0700 Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually it would be better to check for no matches so.. sort numeric temp filter temp without "[1-9]*" if temp is not empty then return the number of lines of temp + 1 return "No Match" On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > Could change it to > > sort numeric temp > filter temp without "[1-9]*" > return the number of lines of temp + 1 > > thereby killing 2 of the lines. > > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 1 18:33:14 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 10:33:14 +1100 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <2137CED9-37D4-42A5-9C80-4BA83D474706@me.com> References: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> <510C11AF.2040303@economy-x-talk.com> <8C803EF7-D186-42FB-ABE5-51A301E8F5E4@economy-x-talk.com> <5C9FAD7C-72C9-438B-97CC-C3E5B6DC5148@sweattechnologies.com> <2137CED9-37D4-42A5-9C80-4BA83D474706@me.com> Message-ID: On 02/02/2013, at 10:22 AM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > Hi, > > What I don't quite understand is the physical difference between a commercially-licensed and an open source-licensed RunRev application. > > Is the first just like it is presently, but the second is....? > > Or the LiveCode application has two versions...? There will be a few physical differences. The GPL version won't have any password protection and password protected stacks won't function. If RunRev GPLd the password protection or even let the enterprise users see the code it would put all commercial development at risk. There's no need for script limits either. So any app built with it could make heavy use of do and merge. This will be awesome for revIgniter that already makes use of merge quite heavily and it's easy to go past 10 lines. Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From bonnmike at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 18:37:45 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 16:37:45 -0700 Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nvm. :) won't work in all cases. Back under the rock it is for me! On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > Actually it would be better to check for no matches so.. > > sort numeric temp > filter temp without "[1-9]*" > if temp is not empty then return the number of lines of temp + 1 > return "No Match" > > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > >> Could change it to >> >> sort numeric temp >> filter temp without "[1-9]*" >> return the number of lines of temp + 1 >> >> thereby killing 2 of the lines. >> >> > From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 1 18:41:35 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 18:41:35 -0500 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <2137CED9-37D4-42A5-9C80-4BA83D474706@me.com> References: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> <510C11AF.2040303@economy-x-talk.com> <8C803EF7-D186-42FB-ABE5-51A301E8F5E4@economy-x-talk.com> <5C9FAD7C-72C9-438B-97CC-C3E5B6DC5148@sweattechnologies.com> <2137CED9-37D4-42A5-9C80-4BA83D474706@me.com> Message-ID: <203F441C-72AB-4543-BAA0-AE6A9352C737@verizon.net> In the commercial version you will be able to publish for iOS App Store distribution, and you'll also be able to password protect your stacks. On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > Is the first just like it is presently, but the second is....? > > Or the LiveCode application has two versions...? From pepetoo at cox.net Fri Feb 1 18:42:24 2013 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:42:24 -0800 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: I'd like to take a completely tangential approach to this whole dilemma. When I first came aboard, I was thrilled by what I thought was to be a continuation of "H/C"; but, shortly I was to be disillusioned by a number of factors. 1. I had little problem with the initial cost to sign up for Revolution; but, very soon I discovered that it was going to be MUCH more expensive for the "H/C" accustomed user to adopt. I'll talk about this more, later on. 2. Though I certainly appreciated the multi-platform aspects and a few other "tweaks"; I was flabbergasted to discover that RunRev had mangled the H/C framework by eliminating the Background layer in stacks, providing a very clumsy alternative method, so that the millions who could be adopting it from H/C would have to re-implement most of their legacy stacks. It just wasn't the same Object Hierarchy any more. I tried to be upbeat with the articles I wrote on MacInstruct about Revolution, but Revolution just wasn't a better H/C. What RunRev did later in transitioning to LiveCode is a totally different issue. The damage had already been done. So.... what should have been done? I realize that one of the Steves would be a hard sell; but, in some manner, Apple needed to get behind Revolution. We needed some really deep pockets, such as Woz to endorse Revolution so that the price for Revolution would be like H/C - you bought it once. Then it should have been developed to perfection as Revolution, probably up to the Intel Mac level and "bug-free". Once Macs switched to Intel CPUs, a totally new line could begin that would have been LiveCode. At this point Revolution should then have been bundled (free) with all new Macs and PCs, providing an option to down-load the new LiveCode Platform for a nominal, layered fee of some amount that users knew they could count on for new major - releases; knowing in advance that they would be able to use these as fully functional and reliable should they elect not to continue with the new releases. I realize that, in hind-sight it is fairly easy to see where things "might" be going; something that most of us would not have been able to anticipate in the moment, but the future of LC should have been better scripted so that RunRev was ALWAYS producing identifiable products that were capable of performing predictable applications; so the users ended with a list of products instead of an endless string of unreliable prodcts with a single name. Yes, there would be nominal charges for each new level, but the user would know that without the new "product", he/she could stop at any point. I know I'm glossing over many of the obstacles that might have been encountered, but I'm sure you all get my point. I feel confident that that a well structured plan similar to this would have brought a great many into the fold. I want my background layer back. Not going to happen, I know. (sigh) Joe Wilkins On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:45 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Peter Haworth writes: > >> >> OK, but Java isn't "Apple software", is it? Even their own software >> updates notify me it's about to be updated and a chance to say yay or nay. >> Plus, owning the software doesn't seem like it gives them the right to >> block it from running on my computer. > > Of course it does - my guess is that it was installed as part of the operating > system, meaning that you didn't take it upon yourself to delete it and replace > it with OpenJDK or something similar. Look, I'm not going to try to explain the > rest of the EULA to you because I'm not one of them lawyer fellas and I'll > probably screw it up. But "Apple software" is defined, various third-party > licenses are dealt with, and you agreed to it, including that part about Apple > reserving "all rights not expressly granted to you". Game over. > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 18:44:11 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 15:44:11 -0800 Subject: BackgroudBehavior of a group Message-ID: Just getting around to using background groups for the first time. I created a group on a card and set its backgroundbehavior to true, which also set its sharedbehavior to true. My impression is that the group should now automatically appear any time I create a new card. It does, if the new card is in the same stack, but if I create a card in a different substack, no group. The intent is to have a navigation bar that appears on any card in the application but obviously background groups are not the answer for that purpose. I guess I'm stuck with just copying the group from card to card and using behaviors to control its behavior? Pete lcSQL Software From dunbarx at aol.com Fri Feb 1 18:52:50 2013 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:52:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: <6522B6DA-28FE-41D5-8FBB-E13367535C7A@netrin.com> References: <6522B6DA-28FE-41D5-8FBB-E13367535C7A@netrin.com> Message-ID: <8CFCEEE60B01383-13B0-656B2@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com> Ah. I had thought "filter" deleted the specified characters in a string, not that it loses lines containing those characters directly. I think I knew that once. Live and re-learn. Craig From: Jim Lambert To: use-livecode Sent: Fri, Feb 1, 2013 6:10 pm Subject: Re: to find the first numeric line? Craig wrote: > But there is a problem in that much, if not all of his data is both alpha and numeric, like "A2" > So filtering will not eliminate those lines that contain strings in that form. > Works on this: 1a 1b a1 a2b4 3t c7 5u h2 5k Give it a shot. JimL > Mark wrote: > >> have you taken a look at the FILTER command? >> filter list with "[1-9]*" > > That is a possible approach, like this: > > function getNumericLineStart temp > put the number of lines of temp into totalLines > sort numeric temp > filter temp with "[1-9]*" > put the number of lines of temp into totalLinesNumericStart > return totalLines-totalLinesNumericStart > end getNumericLineStart > > Not sure if this is any speedier than a repeat loop. > > Jim Lambert _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From gbojsza at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 18:56:33 2013 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:56:33 -0500 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> <510C11AF.2040303@economy-x-talk.com> <8C803EF7-D186-42FB-ABE5-51A301E8F5E4@economy-x-talk.com> <5C9FAD7C-72C9-438B-97CC-C3E5B6DC5148@sweattechnologies.com> <2137CED9-37D4-42A5-9C80-4BA83D474706@me.com> Message-ID: What if someone contributes to the GPL version that gives it the ability to have and create password protected stacks (not supporting the commercial implementation but a whole new variant)? Obviously, there will be contributors that will want to add features to the GPL version that has similar features in the commercial product. On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 02/02/2013, at 10:22 AM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > What I don't quite understand is the physical difference between a > commercially-licensed and an open source-licensed RunRev application. > > > > Is the first just like it is presently, but the second is....? > > > > Or the LiveCode application has two versions...? > > There will be a few physical differences. > > The GPL version won't have any password protection and password protected > stacks won't function. If RunRev GPLd the password protection or even let > the enterprise users see the code it would put all commercial development > at risk. > > There's no need for script limits either. So any app built with it could > make heavy use of do and merge. This will be awesome for revIgniter that > already makes use of merge quite heavily and it's easy to go past 10 lines. > > Cheers > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Feb 1 19:04:33 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 16:04:33 -0800 Subject: BackgroudBehavior of a group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If I understand what you're trying to do/asking, substacks can only inherit properties from the main stack, not objects. One option is to create a substack that contains all your "master" objects, from which you copy objects to where you need them. But unless you're going to have dozens of substacks or are constantly creating stacks dynamically, you're probably fine just copying and pasting as you say. Other folks might have different suggestions. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/1/13 3:44 PM, "Peter Haworth" wrote: >Just getting around to using background groups for the first time. > >I created a group on a card and set its backgroundbehavior to true, which >also set its sharedbehavior to true. My impression is that the group >should now automatically appear any time I create a new card. It does, if >the new card is in the same stack, but if I create a card in a different >substack, no group. > >The intent is to have a navigation bar that appears on any card in the >application but obviously background groups are not the answer for that >purpose. I guess I'm stuck with just copying the group from card to card >and using behaviors to control its behavior? > >Pete >lcSQL Software >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From bvg at mac.com Fri Feb 1 19:04:53 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 01:04:53 +0100 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <9C90E015-F65D-4A3D-8410-ED077D796C5B@mac.com> The past is dead. Those who strive to life in the past, only aim for their own death. On 02.02.2013, at 00:42, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > I'd like to take a completely tangential approach to this whole dilemma. > > When I first came aboard, I was thrilled by what I thought was to be a continuation of "H/C"; but, shortly I was to be disillusioned by a number of factors. > > 1. I had little problem with the initial cost to sign up for Revolution; but, very soon I discovered that it was going to be MUCH more expensive for the "H/C" accustomed user to adopt. I'll talk about this more, later on. > 2. Though I certainly appreciated the multi-platform aspects and a few other "tweaks"; I was flabbergasted to discover that RunRev had mangled the H/C framework by eliminating the Background layer in stacks, providing a very clumsy alternative method, so that the millions who could be adopting it from H/C would have to re-implement most of their legacy stacks. It just wasn't the same Object Hierarchy any more. I tried to be upbeat with the articles I wrote on MacInstruct about Revolution, but Revolution just wasn't a better H/C. What RunRev did later in transitioning to LiveCode is a totally different issue. The damage had already been done. > > So.... what should have been done? I realize that one of the Steves would be a hard sell; but, in some manner, Apple needed to get behind Revolution. We needed some really deep pockets, such as Woz to endorse Revolution so that the price for Revolution would be like H/C - you bought it once. Then it should have been developed to perfection as Revolution, probably up to the Intel Mac level and "bug-free". Once Macs switched to Intel CPUs, a totally new line could begin that would have been LiveCode. At this point Revolution should then have been bundled (free) with all new Macs and PCs, providing an option to down-load the new LiveCode Platform for a nominal, layered fee of some amount that users knew they could count on for new major - releases; knowing in advance that they would be able to use these as fully functional and reliable should they elect not to continue with the new releases. > > I realize that, in hind-sight it is fairly easy to see where things "might" be going; something that most of us would not have been able to anticipate in the moment, but the future of LC should have been better scripted so that RunRev was ALWAYS producing identifiable products that were capable of performing predictable applications; so the users ended with a list of products instead of an endless string of unreliable prodcts with a single name. Yes, there would be nominal charges for each new level, but the user would know that without the new "product", he/she could stop at any point. I know I'm glossing over many of the obstacles that might have been encountered, but I'm sure you all get my point. > > I feel confident that that a well structured plan similar to this would have brought a great many into the fold. I want my background layer back. Not going to happen, I know. (sigh) > > Joe Wilkins > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:45 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> Peter Haworth writes: >> >>> >>> OK, but Java isn't "Apple software", is it? Even their own software >>> updates notify me it's about to be updated and a chance to say yay or nay. >>> Plus, owning the software doesn't seem like it gives them the right to >>> block it from running on my computer. >> >> Of course it does - my guess is that it was installed as part of the operating >> system, meaning that you didn't take it upon yourself to delete it and replace >> it with OpenJDK or something similar. Look, I'm not going to try to explain the >> rest of the EULA to you because I'm not one of them lawyer fellas and I'll >> probably screw it up. But "Apple software" is defined, various third-party >> licenses are dealt with, and you agreed to it, including that part about Apple >> reserving "all rights not expressly granted to you". Game over. >> >> -- >> Mark Wieder >> mwieder at ahsoftware.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 1 19:06:33 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:06:33 -0500 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: <510C035B.4070208@economy-x-talk.com> <510C11AF.2040303@economy-x-talk.com> <8C803EF7-D186-42FB-ABE5-51A301E8F5E4@economy-x-talk.com> <5C9FAD7C-72C9-438B-97CC-C3E5B6DC5148@sweattechnologies.com> <2137CED9-37D4-42A5-9C80-4BA83D474706@me.com> Message-ID: You're not allowed to release features that are not open source, so I doubt that you could release an add-on that prevents other features from fulfilling their open source-ness. On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote: > >What if someone contributes to the GPL version that gives it the ability to > have and create password protected stacks (not supporting the > commercial implementation but a whole new variant)? From kevin at runrev.com Fri Feb 1 19:06:58 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 00:06:58 +0000 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, we considered that. That stack protection code would be under GPL. So it would have to be open. And therefore anyone could reverse engineer it. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 01/02/2013 23:56, "Glen Bojsza" wrote: >What if someone contributes to the GPL version that gives it the ability >to >have and create password protected stacks (not supporting the >commercial implementation but a whole new variant)? > >Obviously, there will be contributors that will want to add features to >the >GPL version that has similar features in the commercial product. > > >On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Monte Goulding >wrote: > >> >> On 02/02/2013, at 10:22 AM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > What I don't quite understand is the physical difference between a >> commercially-licensed and an open source-licensed RunRev application. >> > >> > Is the first just like it is presently, but the second is....? >> > >> > Or the LiveCode application has two versions...? >> >> There will be a few physical differences. >> >> The GPL version won't have any password protection and password >>protected >> stacks won't function. If RunRev GPLd the password protection or even >>let >> the enterprise users see the code it would put all commercial >>development >> at risk. >> >> There's no need for script limits either. So any app built with it could >> make heavy use of do and merge. This will be awesome for revIgniter that >> already makes use of merge quite heavily and it's easy to go past 10 >>lines. >> >> Cheers >> >> -- >> Monte Goulding >> >> M E R Goulding - software development services >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 1 19:10:41 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 11:10:41 +1100 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <51223B0D-F0F8-46BD-9FAE-71CC4D13B494@sweattechnologies.com> Hi Joe On 02/02/2013, at 10:42 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > 1. I had little problem with the initial cost to sign up for Revolution; but, very soon I discovered that it was going to be MUCH more expensive for the "H/C" accustomed user to adopt. I'll talk about this more, later on. The GPL version will be a free entry point for anyone. > 2. Though I certainly appreciated the multi-platform aspects and a few other "tweaks"; I was flabbergasted to discover that RunRev had mangled the H/C framework by eliminating the Background layer in stacks, providing a very clumsy alternative method, so that the millions who could be adopting it from H/C would have to re-implement most of their legacy stacks. It just wasn't the same Object Hierarchy any more. I tried to be upbeat with the articles I wrote on MacInstruct about Revolution, but Revolution just wasn't a better H/C. What RunRev did later in transitioning to LiveCode is a totally different issue. The damage had already been done. Hmm.. background groups in LiveCode are far more flexible than HyperCard's implementation. Now with the shared group option we have many possibilities that just couldn't have been done in HyperCard. > > So.... what should have been done? I realize that one of the Steves would be a hard sell; but, in some manner, Apple needed to get behind Revolution. We needed some really deep pockets, such as Woz to endorse Revolution so that the price for Revolution would be like H/C - you bought it once. Then it should have been developed to perfection as Revolution, probably up to the Intel Mac level and "bug-free". Once Macs switched to Intel CPUs, a totally new line could begin that would have been LiveCode. At this point Revolution should then have been bundled (free) with all new Macs and PCs, providing an option to down-load the new LiveCode Platform for a nominal, layered fee of some amount that users knew they could count on for new major - releases; knowing in advance that they would be able to use these as fully functional and reliable should they elect not to continue with the new releases. I'm not sure I understand the point of this. If apple wanted to support an xTalk wouldn't they have continued HyperCard? I'm 100% positive that RunRev have been trying to get more support from Apple the whole time. Don't blame RunRev for the lack of support. LiveCode is a direct continuation of the Revolution product. It was just a rebranding. > > I realize that, in hind-sight it is fairly easy to see where things "might" be going; something that most of us would not have been able to anticipate in the moment, but the future of LC should have been better scripted so that RunRev was ALWAYS producing identifiable products that were capable of performing predictable applications; so the users ended with a list of products instead of an endless string of unreliable prodcts with a single name. Yes, there would be nominal charges for each new level, but the user would know that without the new "product", he/she could stop at any point. I know I'm glossing over many of the obstacles that might have been encountered, but I'm sure you all get my point. Just a bit ;-) If we can get support for the kickstarter then the future of LiveCode is infinite. The source will be there for anyone to take in any direction they want. Anyone wishing to have more input into the direction of the platform and it's future should whole heartedly support this campaign. Anyone wanting a more robust and bug free platform should whole heartedly support this campaign. Anyone wanting more rapid feature development and better platform support should whole heartedly support this campaign. > > I feel confident that that a well structured plan similar to this would have brought a great many into the fold. I want my background layer back. Not going to happen, I know. (sigh) Well... I guess with LiveCode going GPL someone that feels the same way could re-implement groups to only be a single background layer on a stack... I wouldn't recommend it though because you would lose so much. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 1 19:13:40 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:13:40 -0500 Subject: BackgroudBehavior of a group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7397B944-ABF3-4472-8C43-CF1C97AF89BD@verizon.net> It shouldn't have been a surprise that the group didn't appear when you made a new card in another stack. If it worked that way, then when you made a new card in another stack it ought to make every background group you've ever made appear. All you have to do to get what you want is to copy the group from the stack you made it in, and paste it in the first card that needs it in the new stack. Then when you make more cards in that new stack, the group will appear automatically. On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >The intent is to have a navigation bar that appears on any card in the > application but obviously background groups are not the answer for that > purpose. I guess I'm stuck with just copying the group from card to card > and using behaviors to control its behavior? From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Fri Feb 1 19:16:45 2013 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 01:16:45 +0100 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76305D45-9CDE-4B49-87AE-34749C8B7895@mines-paristech.fr> OK, open source is the cure for cancer... So I spend months, which become years implementing, say, a decent math library for Livecode.... Who pays the rent????? From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 1 19:24:57 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:24:57 -0500 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <65454AF2-5887-460F-8FDE-7905D97CBAD1@verizon.net> HyperCard's way of doing background was often a problem. You might want to have a set of things in the interface appear on every card, but much of the rest of the background be different. That meant making a new background for every variation, instead of having a "super background" that had most elements, then "sub-backgrounds" to show the background elements that were not common to the entire stack. The LiveCode background groups can either act like a single HyperCard background, or as a set of overlapping backgrounds. Once you get the hang of them they are more flexible than the HyperCard backgrounds. That aside, there is other "background" things for you to know about: Mike Markkula, who Steve Wozniak credits as being the person who enabled Apple to come into existence, is one of the backers of RunRev. His pockets are probably deeper than Steve's. That doesn't mean it's so much money that they can make LiveCode be free. But the open source Kickstarter project will take them to the place you'd like them to be. At the time that Steve Jobs said that you can only make iOS apps using Apple's Xcode, RunRev tried to sway them by committing solely to iOS, and to not do publishing to Android at all. That wasn't enough, Apple still said that you can't use Rev to make iOS apps. Fortunately that all changed back later on. So, I don't think Apple would go for the idea of having a killer development tool included with each Mac anymore. Again, with the Kickstarter initiative it won't matter, everyone on Mac, Windows , or Linux, will be able to use LiveCode for free. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 1 19:28:29 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 16:28:29 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <510C5DAD.2040603@fourthworld.com> Glen Bojsza wrote: > What if someone contributes to the GPL version that gives it the ability to > have and create password protected stacks (not supporting the > commercial implementation but a whole new variant)? > > Obviously, there will be contributors that will want to add features to the > GPL version that has similar features in the commercial product. Nothing in the GPL would prevent anyone from *writing* such a feature, but since the GPL requires that all source code under it be available that would prevent them from ever *using* it. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Fri Feb 1 19:30:19 2013 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 01:30:19 +0100 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <65454AF2-5887-460F-8FDE-7905D97CBAD1@verizon.net> References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> <65454AF2-5887-460F-8FDE-7905D97CBAD1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <90F803CE-722A-4035-92A4-4AEF21AC9612@mines-paristech.fr> > So, I don't think Apple would go for the idea of having a killer development tool included with each Mac anymore. Again, with the Kickstarter initiative it won't matter, everyone on Mac, Windows , or Linux, will be able to use LiveCode for free. In this world of today, nothing is free, except for your partner's herpes. Ha! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 1 19:38:47 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 11:38:47 +1100 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <76305D45-9CDE-4B49-87AE-34749C8B7895@mines-paristech.fr> References: <76305D45-9CDE-4B49-87AE-34749C8B7895@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: If you need the functions enough then its worthwhile you doing it but if not then you won't be able to justify the time. Same scenario for any other bit of code you write I guess. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 02/02/2013, at 11:16 AM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > OK, open source is the cure for cancer... > So I spend months, which become years implementing, say, a decent math library for Livecode.... > Who pays the rent????? From alex at tweedly.net Fri Feb 1 19:41:01 2013 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 00:41:01 +0000 Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: <8CFCEEE60B01383-13B0-656B2@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com> References: <6522B6DA-28FE-41D5-8FBB-E13367535C7A@netrin.com> <8CFCEEE60B01383-13B0-656B2@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <510C609D.2060500@tweedly.net> I just can't resist a good benchmark / coding challenge. Summary - for small data (10s of thousand of lines), they're all fairly quick; for large data sets, there are big performance differences and how far through the data set the "start-with-numeric" lines begin. I used 10 million lines of data, with 'numeric' staring at either line 10,000 or 9,999,000 simple repeat loop - clear, easy to understand, relatively slow but times vary widely filter without ... - fairly clear, generally a little bit quicker, consistent times binary search using character offset - hard to understand, MUCH faster, consistent times specifically repeat between 4 and 3809 ms filter between 2047 and 3602 binary between 0 and 230 For the binary search, the coding is slightly tricky. You can avoid some of the edge cases by making an assumption that there is a max length for any line (I assumed 5,000 characters, see kBrute) - but if you can't make any such assumption, then you can handle it - just need to handle a couple of special cases. I've left that as an exercise :-) Here's the code I used (the data is in global gData) > global gData > on mouseup > local t1, t2, K > > put the millisecs into t1 > put f1(gData) into t2 > put t2 && the millisecs - t1 & CR after msg > > put the millisecs into t1 > put f2(gData) into t2 > put t2 && the millisecs - t1 & CR after msg > > put the millisecs into t1 > put f3(gData) into t2 > put t2 && the millisecs - t1 & CR after msg > > end mouseup > > function f1 @pD > local r > repeat for each line L in pD > if char 1 of L is a number then exit repeat > add 1 to r > end repeat > return r + 1 > end f1 > > function f2 pD > filter pD without "[0-9]*" > return the number of lines in pD + 1 > end f2 > > function f3 @pD > local r, tLower, tUpper, tMid, c, t, temp > constant kBrute = 10000 > > put 1 into tLower > put (the number of chars in pD) + 1 into tUpper > > repeat 10000 times -- more than enough :-) > if tUpper - tLower < kBrute then exit repeat > put (tUpper + tlower ) / 2 into tMid > put char 1 of line 2 of (char tMid to tUpper of pD) into c > if c is a number then > put tMid into tUpper > else > put tMid into tLower > end if > end repeat > > put char tLower to tUpper of pD into temp > filter temp without "[0-9]*" > if temp is empty then > -- no lines start with numeric > return "No lines" > else > put the number of lines in (char 1 to tLower of pD) into t > add the number of lines in temp to t > return t > end if > end f3 -- Alex. From gbojsza at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 19:44:36 2013 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 19:44:36 -0500 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <510C5DAD.2040603@fourthworld.com> References: <510C5DAD.2040603@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <3191EB1C-D1FF-4DCC-BAF9-76AC3977CE32@gmail.com> > > Nothing in the GPL would prevent anyone from *writing* such a feature, but since the GPL requires that all source code under it be available that would prevent them from ever *using* it. ;) > So given Kevin has said the stack protection code will be under GPL will you stop using it? From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 1 19:47:34 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:47:34 -0500 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <3191EB1C-D1FF-4DCC-BAF9-76AC3977CE32@gmail.com> References: <510C5DAD.2040603@fourthworld.com> <3191EB1C-D1FF-4DCC-BAF9-76AC3977CE32@gmail.com> Message-ID: He was saying that the hypothetical protection code that a contributor had written would be under GPL. The protection code that is in current LiveCode would only be in the commercial version, and isn't covered by GPL. On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote: >> >So given Kevin has said the stack protection code will be under GPL will you stop using it? > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 1 19:48:00 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 16:48:00 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <76305D45-9CDE-4B49-87AE-34749C8B7895@mines-paristech.fr> References: <76305D45-9CDE-4B49-87AE-34749C8B7895@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <510C6240.80707@fourthworld.com> Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > OK, open source is the cure for cancer... > So I spend months, which become years implementing, say, a decent math library for Livecode.... > Who pays the rent????? Whomever you can get to pay it. If you want to keep the source proprietary, you can use a proprietary license and release your library under nearly any terms you like, just like we've always done. If you want to share the code with the community, and do so in a way that requires other derivative works to be similarly shared, you can use the GPL-licensed version of LiveCode for that. Free and open software gets paid for through a wide range of means, sometimes through grants, often from a personal desire to share, and frequently from donations by large corporations who derive value from the software. For example, contributors to the Linux Foundation include HP, IBM, Intel, Oracle, Samsung, Cisco, Google, Toyota, Adobe, Yahoo, and many others. In fact, now that they also allow individual memberships, I'm a contributor too (to the tune of just $99/year - now I get to tell Linus Torvalds that I pay his salary ). Similarly, Apple funds WebKit, an open source project started by KDE, as well as CUPS, the open printing solution used by OS X, Linux, and some UNIX flavors. In addition to donations and grants, some projects are funded through services and custom development. Canonical makes most of the money it takes to make Ubuntu from that strategy, and Red Hat closed US$1 billion in sales last year doing it - not bad for a free OS. RunRev isn't limiting distribution to only open source under the GPL. They're merely adding it. In doing so, it makes a wide universe of new users available to it, but by no means does it limit any use under the proprietary license we've enjoyed all these years. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From todd at geistinteractive.com Fri Feb 1 19:52:21 2013 From: todd at geistinteractive.com (Todd Geist) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 16:52:21 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <76305D45-9CDE-4B49-87AE-34749C8B7895@mines-paristech.fr> References: <76305D45-9CDE-4B49-87AE-34749C8B7895@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <510C6345.5050900@geistinteractive.com> Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > So I spend months, which become years implementing, say, a decent math library for Livecode.... > Who pays the rent????? > You do, by creating value for your customers. You can sell the closed source library if you get a commercial license for LiveCode. Or more than likely you open source your library, and make your money by building great software using your library and the libraries of many others that are freely available. While the field of economics may have difficulty explaining exactly why Open Source works, the question of wether or not it DOES work has been answered. Most of the modern infrastructure of the world wide web and the vast majority of internet connected devices, with the exception of MS based PCs, are based on open source projects. Its a done deal. It works. Now one might reasonably question if LiveCode is a good candidate for open source or not. I think that remains to be seen. But I think it is something that LiveCode has to do, and I welcome it. Todd From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 1 19:57:28 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 11:57:28 +1100 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <510C6240.80707@fourthworld.com> References: <76305D45-9CDE-4B49-87AE-34749C8B7895@mines-paristech.fr> <510C6240.80707@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <05889ED2-27D1-4001-9765-4FD78170DABC@sweattechnologies.com> It would need to be an external to do that as far as I can tell. It would be nice to be able to create a derivative engine and maintain it as a separate fork that could still be used by commercial LC license holders but I think to do that you would need to come to license terms per app with runrev and release as a separate product. Personally unless something his highly specific I hope people just contribute back to the main fork to improve the platform. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 02/02/2013, at 11:48 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > If you want to keep the source proprietary, you can use a proprietary license and release your library under nearly any terms you like, just like we've always done. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 1 19:59:11 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 16:59:11 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <3191EB1C-D1FF-4DCC-BAF9-76AC3977CE32@gmail.com> References: <3191EB1C-D1FF-4DCC-BAF9-76AC3977CE32@gmail.com> Message-ID: <510C64DF.6090606@fourthworld.com> Glen Bojsza wrote: >> >> Nothing in the GPL would prevent anyone from *writing* such a feature, but since the GPL requires that all source code under it be available that would prevent them from ever *using* it. ;) > > So given Kevin has said the stack protection code will be under GPL will you stop using it? If I were to release software governed by the GPL and refuse to make the source available, I would be in violation of the license. The GNU Public license is designed to grant what the Free Software Foundation calls The Four Freedoms (and since most of their work was written in C, the numbering begins at zero as a sort of geek joke): - Freedom 0: The freedom to run the program for any purpose. - Freedom 1: The freedom to study how the program works, and change it to make it do what you wish. - Freedom 2: The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor. - Freedom 3: The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements (and modified versions in general) to the public, so that the whole community benefits. If these fit the goals you want to serve with a software project, the GPL is a good choice. Making the source code available is necessary to fulfill those goals. If you want to serve any other goals, RunRev's dual-licensing provides the option of a proprietary license too, same as with MySQL and the many other projects that use it. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 20:05:56 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:05:56 -0800 Subject: BackgroudBehavior of a group In-Reply-To: <7397B944-ABF3-4472-8C43-CF1C97AF89BD@verizon.net> References: <7397B944-ABF3-4472-8C43-CF1C97AF89BD@verizon.net> Message-ID: It was only a surprise because the dictionary says "Use the *backgroundBehavior* property to make groups behave like backgrounds and to automatically place groups on newly created cards." Nothing about cards in the same stack. But I agree it couldn't work across stacks. Except that I just copied the card in question to a different stack and the group came over with it. So that's my workaround. Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > It shouldn't have been a surprise that the group didn't appear when you > made a new card in another stack. If it worked that way, then when you made > a new card in another stack it ought to make every background group you've > ever made appear. > > All you have to do to get what you want is to copy the group from the > stack you made it in, and paste it in the first card that needs it in the > new stack. Then when you make more cards in that new stack, the group will > appear automatically. > > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > >The intent is to have a navigation bar that appears on any card in the > > application but obviously background groups are not the answer for that > > purpose. I guess I'm stuck with just copying the group from card to card > > and using behaviors to control its behavior? > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pepetoo at cox.net Fri Feb 1 20:10:09 2013 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:10:09 -0800 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <9C90E015-F65D-4A3D-8410-ED077D796C5B@mac.com> References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> <9C90E015-F65D-4A3D-8410-ED077D796C5B@mac.com> Message-ID: Bj?rnke, et al, I suppose you've hit the nail right on the head. My 80th birthday will be here in little over a month; and, by being nearly blind for the past 5 years, I have trouble getting out of bed in the morning, much less learning stuff that requires me to unlearn and do-over things I've been doing very successfully for over 25 years. I doubt there is a single soul on this entire planet that has logged more time and/or scripted more H/C stacks than I have. I'm just plain tired of needless progress. So we've gone to the moon and back and are dreaming up scenarios that require us to alter the inevitable courses of meteors to save a planet whose inhabitants don't see that it is being destroyed by their collective stupidity. I want to stop and smell the roses for a while; or do something that is truly productive; like suing the entire government for violating their oaths of offices and enslaving an entire nation to pay for and protect the whimsies of the 1%. After a while we SHOULD get p***ed-off at all change under the guise of progress and the need to survive. Do any of us deserve to survive? Frankly, I was hoping we we're going to have to revert to bows and arrows. That's my 99? worth. I do wish Open Source LC much success, but it'd better enlist some better decision-makers than are presently on board. No offense to anyone currently involved. It is, after all, a major undertaking of great magnitude. Just K. I. S. S. if you can. Joe Wilkins On Feb 1, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > The past is dead. Those who strive to life in the past, only aim for their own death. > > > On 02.02.2013, at 00:42, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > >> I'd like to take a completely tangential approach to this whole dilemma. >> >> When I first came aboard, I was thrilled by what I thought was to be a continuation of "H/C"; but, shortly I was to be disillusioned by a number of factors. >> >> 1. I had little problem with the initial cost to sign up for Revolution; but, very soon I discovered that it was going to be MUCH more expensive for the "H/C" accustomed user to adopt. I'll talk about this more, later on. >> 2. Though I certainly appreciated the multi-platform aspects and a few other "tweaks"; I was flabbergasted to discover that RunRev had mangled the H/C framework by eliminating the Background layer in stacks, providing a very clumsy alternative method, so that the millions who could be adopting it from H/C would have to re-implement most of their legacy stacks. It just wasn't the same Object Hierarchy any more. I tried to be upbeat with the articles I wrote on MacInstruct about Revolution, but Revolution just wasn't a better H/C. What RunRev did later in transitioning to LiveCode is a totally different issue. The damage had already been done. >> >> So.... what should have been done? I realize that one of the Steves would be a hard sell; but, in some manner, Apple needed to get behind Revolution. We needed some really deep pockets, such as Woz to endorse Revolution so that the price for Revolution would be like H/C - you bought it once. Then it should have been developed to perfection as Revolution, probably up to the Intel Mac level and "bug-free". Once Macs switched to Intel CPUs, a totally new line could begin that would have been LiveCode. At this point Revolution should then have been bundled (free) with all new Macs and PCs, providing an option to down-load the new LiveCode Platform for a nominal, layered fee of some amount that users knew they could count on for new major - releases; knowing in advance that they would be able to use these as fully functional and reliable should they elect not to continue with the new releases. >> >> I realize that, in hind-sight it is fairly easy to see where things "might" be going; something that most of us would not have been able to anticipate in the moment, but the future of LC should have been better scripted so that RunRev was ALWAYS producing identifiable products that were capable of performing predictable applications; so the users ended with a list of products instead of an endless string of unreliable prodcts with a single name. Yes, there would be nominal charges for each new level, but the user would know that without the new "product", he/she could stop at any point. I know I'm glossing over many of the obstacles that might have been encountered, but I'm sure you all get my point. >> >> I feel confident that that a well structured plan similar to this would have brought a great many into the fold. I want my background layer back. Not going to happen, I know. (sigh) >> >> Joe Wilkins >> >> On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:45 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> >>> Peter Haworth writes: >>> >>>> >>>> OK, but Java isn't "Apple software", is it? Even their own software >>>> updates notify me it's about to be updated and a chance to say yay or nay. >>>> Plus, owning the software doesn't seem like it gives them the right to >>>> block it from running on my computer. >>> >>> Of course it does - my guess is that it was installed as part of the operating >>> system, meaning that you didn't take it upon yourself to delete it and replace >>> it with OpenJDK or something similar. Look, I'm not going to try to explain the >>> rest of the EULA to you because I'm not one of them lawyer fellas and I'll >>> probably screw it up. But "Apple software" is defined, various third-party >>> licenses are dealt with, and you agreed to it, including that part about Apple >>> reserving "all rights not expressly granted to you". Game over. >>> >>> -- >>> Mark Wieder >>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > -- > > Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: > http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ > > Chat with other RunRev developers: > http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Feb 1 20:11:20 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 17:11:20 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <510C6240.80707@fourthworld.com> References: <510C6240.80707@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <510C67B8.8000501@fourthworld.com> Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > OK, open source is the cure for cancer... > So I spend months, which become years implementing, say, a decent > math library for Livecode.... > Who pays the rent????? Alternative answer: You may not need to write the library at all, but instead find that someone else has already written it for you. Something we haven't considered much here is an aspect Todd Geist and I were discussing yesterday: community. When a software goes open source, esp. a dev tool or programming language, the community will grow many times larger than it was, with contributions coming from people you've never heard of a year earlier. Our little corner of the world is about to grow. A lot. Many new names will show up in the list and on the forums. As gene pools go, there may be a malcontent or two along the way, but mostly what we'll see are eager young programmers looking to LiveCode as a way to learn, and contribute, and make a name for themselves. They want to help, but many of the big projects already have their bases covered, so a language like LiveCode is a great opportunity to contribute in many valuable ways. And because LiveCode is really two languages, an engine in C++ and the high-level scripting we use with it, there are more opportunities to contribute than most dev tools provide. Through this new generation of LiveTalkers we can expect to see dozens of classic algos translated into LiveCode for community use. If we can pull this off with the Kickstarter campaign, we'll arrive on the other side in an exciting new place: everything we've loved about the language and the community for years, just a heckuva lot more of it. So the math library you're looking for may already be written by the time you need it. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 20:20:17 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:20:17 -0800 Subject: BackgroudBehavior of a group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Scott. I think our posts crossed in the ether as I have found a wrkaround for this by simply copying the card to a different substack. Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > If I understand what you're trying to do/asking, substacks can only > inherit properties from the main stack, not objects. > > One option is to create a substack that contains all your "master" > objects, from which you copy objects to where you need them. But unless > you're going to have dozens of substacks or are constantly creating stacks > dynamically, you're probably fine just copying and pasting as you say. > > Other folks might have different suggestions. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > > On 2/1/13 3:44 PM, "Peter Haworth" wrote: > > >Just getting around to using background groups for the first time. > > > >I created a group on a card and set its backgroundbehavior to true, which > >also set its sharedbehavior to true. My impression is that the group > >should now automatically appear any time I create a new card. It does, if > >the new card is in the same stack, but if I create a card in a different > >substack, no group. > > > >The intent is to have a navigation bar that appears on any card in the > >application but obviously background groups are not the answer for that > >purpose. I guess I'm stuck with just copying the group from card to card > >and using behaviors to control its behavior? > > > >Pete > >lcSQL Software > >_______________________________________________ > >use-livecode mailing list > >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >subscription preferences: > >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri Feb 1 20:59:21 2013 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:59:21 -0800 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: 1. One have to remember that the Metacard engine roots go way back (1992) before Revolution and Runrev. Whatever Dr. Raney did a long time ago he did for a good reason and set the stage for where we are at now and the absence of a background layer has been part of the design. I think he saw the limitations of the card model and was trying another approach. Most of the import problems are for those still clinging to the hypercard metaphor, where the cards are the database. We are a long way beyond that now. 2. No software is 'bug free'. That's a myth. 3. There *were* some "deep pockets" that invested privately in Runrev a couple of years ago, just before Mobile. On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > I'd like to take a completely tangential approach to this whole dilemma. > > > > 2. Though I certainly appreciated the multi-platform aspects and a few > other "tweaks"; I was flabbergasted to discover that RunRev had mangled the > H/C framework by eliminating the Background layer in stacks, providing a > very clumsy alternative method, so that the millions who could be adopting > it from H/C would have to re-implement most of their legacy stacks. It just > wasn't the same Object Hierarchy any more. I tried to be > > So.... what should have been done? I realize that one of the Steves would > be a hard sell; but, in some manner, Apple needed to get behind Revolution. > We needed some really deep pockets, such as Woz to endorse Revolution so > that the price for Revolution would be like H/C - you bought it once. Then > it should have been developed to perfection as Revolution, probably up to > the Intel Mac level and "bug-free". Once Macs switched to > > I realize that, in hind-sight it is fairly easy to see where things > "might" be going; something that most of us would not have been able to > anticipate in the moment, but the future of LC should have been better > scripted so that RunRev was ALWAYS producing identifiable products that > were capable of performing predictable applications; so the users ended > with a list of products instead of an endless string of unreliable prodcts > with a single name. Yes, there would be nominal charges for each new level, > but the user would know that without the new "product", he/she could stop > at any point. I know I'm glossing over many of the obstacles that might > have been encountered, but I'm sure you all get my point. > > I feel confident that that a well structured plan similar to this would > have brought a great many into the fold. I want my background layer back. > Not going to happen, I know. (sigh) > > Joe Wilkins > > Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From scott at elementarysoftware.com Fri Feb 1 21:10:46 2013 From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:10:46 -0800 Subject: LiveCode Kickstart widget is in place In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Done on this site as well. Scott Morrow Elementary Software (Now with 20% less chalk dust!) web http://elementarysoftware.com/ email scott at elementarysoftware.com office 1-800-615-0867 ------------------------------------------------------ On Jan 31, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Heather Laine wrote: > Francis, thank you! > > The support we are getting from all you guys is fabulous! > > Regards, > > Heather > > On 31 Jan 2013, at 16:32, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > >> Hi from Beautiful Brittany, >> >> LiveCode Kickstart widget incorporated in the >> index page of my genealogy site : >> >> http://www.nugent.fr >> >> as requested ! >> >> ?? and on my Facebook page. >> >> Best Regards >> >> -Francis >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > Heather Laine > Customer Services Manager > http://www.runrev.com/ > Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 1 21:19:46 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:19:46 -0600 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <510C77C2.7070505@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/1/13 5:42 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > I want my background > layer back. Not going to happen, I know. (sigh) I realize this is a bit tangential to your main point, but I'm not sure what you're missing with backgrounds. I still occasionally port old HC stacks and their backgrounds work fine, including their original HC scripts. LiveCode uses the same syntax, which MetaCard introduced in order to be compatible with HC stacks. To reproduce HC backgrounds, just make a group, set its backgroundBehavior to true, and it's layer to 1. That's it. It will work like HC did. Limit yourself to a single background on a card and you have the old paradigm. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pepetoo at cox.net Fri Feb 1 21:28:17 2013 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:28:17 -0800 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Steven, No doubt you are probably right, but I'd have done it differently; which is why it didn't get done the way I think it should have been done. Hind-sight is always perfect. There were many stacks I created that raw neophyte, computer illiterate teen agers were able to use in a high-pressure situation with nary a need to slow down to make up for an occasional bug. They WERE "Bug-free" - on my end. HyperTalk was wonderful, but I can't speak for it; and Compile-It let me do some pretty powerful externals. Well over 100 in number. Not to say that there were no work-arounds with Compile-It. (sigh) No question but what all things would be a lot different with the current hardware, but I'm giving up coding to write my bio and create some havoc! Thanks listers, it's been a great ride. Joe Wilkins On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:59 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > 1. One have to remember that the Metacard engine roots go way back (1992) > before Revolution and Runrev. > Whatever Dr. Raney did a long time ago he did for a good reason and set the > stage for where we are at now and the absence of a background layer has > been part of the design. I think he saw the limitations of the card model > and was trying another approach. Most of the import problems are for those > still clinging to the hypercard metaphor, where the cards are the database. > We are a long way beyond that now. > > 2. No software is 'bug free'. That's a myth. > > 3. There *were* some "deep pockets" that invested privately in Runrev a > couple of years ago, just before Mobile. > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > >> I'd like to take a completely tangential approach to this whole dilemma. >> >> >> > >> 2. Though I certainly appreciated the multi-platform aspects and a few >> other "tweaks"; I was flabbergasted to discover that RunRev had mangled the >> H/C framework by eliminating the Background layer in stacks, providing a >> very clumsy alternative method, so that the millions who could be adopting >> it from H/C would have to re-implement most of their legacy stacks. It just >> wasn't the same Object Hierarchy any more. I tried to be > > > >> >> So.... what should have been done? I realize that one of the Steves would >> be a hard sell; but, in some manner, Apple needed to get behind Revolution. >> We needed some really deep pockets, such as Woz to endorse Revolution so >> that the price for Revolution would be like H/C - you bought it once. Then >> it should have been developed to perfection as Revolution, probably up to >> the Intel Mac level and "bug-free". Once Macs switched to >> >> I realize that, in hind-sight it is fairly easy to see where things >> "might" be going; something that most of us would not have been able to >> anticipate in the moment, but the future of LC should have been better >> scripted so that RunRev was ALWAYS producing identifiable products that >> were capable of performing predictable applications; so the users ended >> with a list of products instead of an endless string of unreliable prodcts >> with a single name. Yes, there would be nominal charges for each new level, >> but the user would know that without the new "product", he/she could stop >> at any point. I know I'm glossing over many of the obstacles that might >> have been encountered, but I'm sure you all get my point. >> >> I feel confident that that a well structured plan similar to this would >> have brought a great many into the fold. I want my background layer back. >> Not going to happen, I know. (sigh) >> >> Joe Wilkins >> >> > > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco Ca. USA > > more about sqb > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 1 21:29:18 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 21:29:18 -0500 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <510C77C2.7070505@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> <510C77C2.7070505@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <72239241-F497-4E98-8539-92D8282AD7F7@verizon.net> In terms of hierarchy, where does that group fall? Like, if a card script does a pass, does it go to the groups on the card? On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:19 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > To reproduce HC backgrounds, just make a group, set its backgroundBehavior to true, and it's layer to 1. That's it. It will work like HC did. Limit yourself to a single background on a card and you have the old paradigm. From pepetoo at cox.net Fri Feb 1 21:38:21 2013 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:38:21 -0800 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <510C77C2.7070505@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> <510C77C2.7070505@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <0420CCA1-7D5A-4B39-A441-E07A791BAE59@cox.net> Hi Jacqi, I've always appreciate your attempts to "educate" me on this subject. I just didn't want to do things that way, so I ignored your efforts, figuring your postings on the topic must be helping someone else on the list. So I guess I was both deaf and blind to the issue. My biggest complaint regarding the re-coding that Revolution did, when importing H/C stacks, was when I went back into the "converted" stacks to make changes, I had to struggle to find where to make the changes. Somebody else had been messing with my code. Water over the dam now. Thanks. Joe Wilkins On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:19 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/1/13 5:42 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > >> I want my background >> layer back. Not going to happen, I know. (sigh) > > I realize this is a bit tangential to your main point, but I'm not sure what you're missing with backgrounds. I still occasionally port old HC stacks and their backgrounds work fine, including their original HC scripts. LiveCode uses the same syntax, which MetaCard introduced in order to be compatible with HC stacks. > > To reproduce HC backgrounds, just make a group, set its backgroundBehavior to true, and it's layer to 1. That's it. It will work like HC did. Limit yourself to a single background on a card and you have the old paradigm. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 1 21:58:01 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:58:01 -0600 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <72239241-F497-4E98-8539-92D8282AD7F7@verizon.net> References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> <510C77C2.7070505@hyperactivesw.com> <72239241-F497-4E98-8539-92D8282AD7F7@verizon.net> Message-ID: <510C80B9.8080901@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/1/13 8:29 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > In terms of hierarchy, where does that group fall? Like, if a card > script does a pass, does it go to the groups on the card? Background groups receive messages after the card does, so passing a message on the card will send it to the background group. If Joe maintains the HC paradigm of a single background group then it works like HC did. If more than one background group exists, then they each receive the message in their layer order after the card gets it, provided one of the backgrounds doesn't trap and stop the message. Card groups get messages before the card gets them. If you have a mix of card and bg groups, the card groups get the first shot at the message, then the card gets it, then the background groups get it. > > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:19 PM, "J. Landman Gay" > wrote: > >> To reproduce HC backgrounds, just make a group, set its >> backgroundBehavior to true, and it's layer to 1. That's it. It will >> work like HC did. Limit yourself to a single background on a card >> and you have the old paradigm. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bertshuler at yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 22:12:01 2013 From: bertshuler at yahoo.com (Bert Shuler) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 22:12:01 -0500 Subject: gcc lc and gpl Message-ID: <866C5C7D-5C04-4F62-B139-03D83590D537@yahoo.com> If I write a program in c, and compile it with gcc, that does not require my new program to be gpl, even though gcc is, correct? From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 1 22:17:39 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 14:17:39 +1100 Subject: gcc lc and gpl In-Reply-To: <866C5C7D-5C04-4F62-B139-03D83590D537@yahoo.com> References: <866C5C7D-5C04-4F62-B139-03D83590D537@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0750B2F5-3066-4315-BC77-AD8CE31CBA3F@sweattechnologies.com> Correct, so your created stacks would not be GPL, however, if you embedded gcc in your c program somehow then your c program would also be GPL. So if you build a standalone with the GPL version (attaching the engine) the standalone is GPL. That's why runrev will offer a commercial license. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 02/02/2013, at 2:12 PM, Bert Shuler wrote: > If I write a program in c, and compile it with gcc, that does not require my new program to be gpl, even though gcc is, correct? From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 1 22:55:54 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:55:54 -0500 Subject: ho lee kow Message-ID: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> No, I'm not referring to a Chinese farmer? I emailed Steve Wozniak earlier today, and he replied already. He said he's going to sponsor 'me' on Kickstarter. I've replied to let him know that it isn't me, I'm just a customer and a pledger. And to ask again if he would Tweet about it. He also said this, and hopefully he won't mind that I've quoted him: "I have never found anything like Hypercard (or its variants) that was simple enough for students to make sophisticated apps that looked and worked the same as ones from professional developers." Also, in replying to me he cc'd his wife, Bill Atkinson (at the email address I had already sent to when emailing Bill), and John Sculley. From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 1 22:59:09 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 19:59:09 -0800 Subject: LiveCode Kickstart widget is in place In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Been on my web site since day one, www.lcsql.com Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Scott Morrow wrote: > Done on this site as well. > > > > Scott Morrow > > Elementary Software > (Now with 20% less chalk dust!) > web http://elementarysoftware.com/ > email scott at elementarysoftware.com > office 1-800-615-0867 > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Heather Laine wrote: > > > Francis, thank you! > > > > The support we are getting from all you guys is fabulous! > > > > Regards, > > > > Heather > > > > On 31 Jan 2013, at 16:32, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > > > >> Hi from Beautiful Brittany, > >> > >> LiveCode Kickstart widget incorporated in the > >> index page of my genealogy site : > >> > >> http://www.nugent.fr > >> > >> as requested ! > >> > >> ?? and on my Facebook page. > >> > >> Best Regards > >> > >> -Francis > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > Heather Laine > > Customer Services Manager > > http://www.runrev.com/ > > Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter > > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From johnpatten at me.com Fri Feb 1 23:02:10 2013 From: johnpatten at me.com (JOHN PATTEN) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 04:02:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> Message-ID: <036bb702-afbc-43f1-8847-ef8694214930@me.com> That's crazy cool! Wow.... I mean Woz! Nice... :) John Patten SUSD? On Feb 01, 2013, at 07:55 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > No, I'm not referring to a Chinese farmer? > > I emailed Steve Wozniak earlier today, and he replied already. He said he's going to sponsor 'me' on Kickstarter. I've replied to let him know that it isn't me, I'm just a customer and a pledger. And to ask again if he would Tweet about it. > > He also said this, and hopefully he won't mind that I've quoted him: > > "I have never found anything like Hypercard (or its variants) that was simple enough for students to make sophisticated apps that looked and worked the same as ones from professional developers." > > Also, in replying to me he cc'd his wife, Bill Atkinson (at the email address I had already sent to when emailing Bill), and John Sculley. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 1 23:13:47 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:13:47 -0600 Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: <510C609D.2060500@tweedly.net> References: <6522B6DA-28FE-41D5-8FBB-E13367535C7A@netrin.com> <8CFCEEE60B01383-13B0-656B2@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com> <510C609D.2060500@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <510C927B.2090402@hyperactivesw.com> I'm glad you did this, it's interesting. I'm not sure about the binary results. Doesn't the repeat loop exit early if the search block contains a few short lines? I think you could get a block of text that might contain the first instance of a leading digit, but they wouldn't be checked because their total length would be less than kBrute. Anyway, for lists with shorter lines the script would need to lower the kBrute variable to a smaller number, and then the timing might be different. 10,000 seems like a pretty large exit condition. I could easily not be understanding what's going on though. These things warp my brain. On 2/1/13 6:41 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > > I just can't resist a good benchmark / coding challenge. > ... >> >> function f3 @pD >> local r, tLower, tUpper, tMid, c, t, temp >> constant kBrute = 10000 >> >> put 1 into tLower >> put (the number of chars in pD) + 1 into tUpper >> >> repeat 10000 times -- more than enough :-) >> if tUpper - tLower < kBrute then exit repeat >> put (tUpper + tlower ) / 2 into tMid >> put char 1 of line 2 of (char tMid to tUpper of pD) into c >> if c is a number then >> put tMid into tUpper >> else >> put tMid into tLower >> end if >> end repeat >> >> put char tLower to tUpper of pD into temp >> filter temp without "[0-9]*" >> if temp is empty then >> -- no lines start with numeric >> return "No lines" >> else >> put the number of lines in (char 1 to tLower of pD) into t >> add the number of lines in temp to t >> return t >> end if >> end f3 -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pepetoo at cox.net Fri Feb 1 23:14:16 2013 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:14:16 -0800 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> Message-ID: <6F8E21EA-6F6D-48FD-9222-516C29292EA2@cox.net> I guess that would have qualified me as a "professional developer", although about that time frame in my programming "education" I had to ask a dealer tech what the letter "k" stood for. (hmn!) Joe Wilkins On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: (quoting Woz) > "I have never found anything like Hypercard (or its variants) that was simple enough for students to make sophisticated apps that looked and worked the same as ones from professional developers." From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 1 23:19:40 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:19:40 -0600 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> Message-ID: <510C93DC.6020405@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/1/13 9:55 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > > I emailed Steve Wozniak earlier today, and he replied already. I'm so glad we have you with us, Colin. You know everybody. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 1 23:29:54 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 23:29:54 -0500 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> Message-ID: Alas, he doesn't tweet that kind of item, he has too many non-technical followers. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 1 23:48:49 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 20:48:49 -0800 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1871376210984.20130201204849@ahsoftware.net> Colin- Friday, February 1, 2013, 7:55:54 PM, you wrote: > He also said this, and hopefully he won't mind that I've quoted him: > "I have never found anything like Hypercard (or its variants) "Hypercard (or its variants)"? Is that supposed to be a recommendation? Maybe he could learn the name? Just sayin'... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 1 23:54:29 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 23:54:29 -0500 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <1871376210984.20130201204849@ahsoftware.net> References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> <1871376210984.20130201204849@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <2F3453E0-F43F-4756-9251-1E0A7BBC5698@verizon.net> In my first message to him I explained about how Apple stopped developing HyperCard, and talked about a few similar tools, before going on to talk about LiveCode in particular. So, I had mentioned a few tools, hence his comment about more than one variant. On Feb 1, 2013, at 11:48 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > "Hypercard (or its variants)"? > Is that supposed to be a recommendation? > Maybe he could learn the name? > > Just sayin'... From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sat Feb 2 00:04:21 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 16:04:21 +1100 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> Message-ID: <71FB4037-6FEE-4E82-A5DA-979BDFE69B3B@sweattechnologies.com> They must only be interested in the resorts he stays in. Ah, well lets hope he makes a decent pledge. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 02/02/2013, at 3:29 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Alas, he doesn't tweet that kind of item, he has too many non-technical followers From nigels at amglighthouse.co.za Sat Feb 2 00:24:30 2013 From: nigels at amglighthouse.co.za (Nigel Soden) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 07:24:30 +0200 Subject: LC MISTAKES Message-ID: <94D78CE7-D2BB-48B3-BE11-87D5A9EBD645@amglighthouse.co.za> Hi Joe So we've gone to the moon and back and are dreaming up scenarios that require us to alter the inevitable courses of meteors to save a planet whose inhabitants don't see that it is being destroyed by their collective stupidity. I want to stop and smell the roses for a while; or do something that is truly productive; like suing the entire government for violating their oaths of offices and enslaving an entire nation to pay for and protect the whimsies of the 1%. After a while we SHOULD get p***ed-off at all change under the guise of progress and the need to survive. Do any of us deserve to survive? Frankly, I was hoping we we're going to have to revert to bows and arrows. That's my 99? worth. Boy! Can I relate with that. But, I'm a fairly new-bee to LC and to date I must say that I look forward to coming home after working in C# .Net (F...$%^&* usless. s....) and working on some projects for my son. The difference between the two is that I know one works while the other pretends to work. :) Nigel Soden From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sat Feb 2 00:54:55 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 16:54:55 +1100 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <71FB4037-6FEE-4E82-A5DA-979BDFE69B3B@sweattechnologies.com> References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> <71FB4037-6FEE-4E82-A5DA-979BDFE69B3B@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <67711D77-8042-4897-8674-E74007A89107@sweattechnologies.com> He backed it!... I just thanked him on twitter... maybe others should? On 02/02/2013, at 4:04 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > They must only be interested in the resorts he stays in. Ah, well lets hope he makes a decent pledge. > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 02/02/2013, at 3:29 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> Alas, he doesn't tweet that kind of item, he has too many non-technical followers > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From pepetoo at cox.net Sat Feb 2 02:04:02 2013 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 23:04:02 -0800 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <94D78CE7-D2BB-48B3-BE11-87D5A9EBD645@amglighthouse.co.za> References: <94D78CE7-D2BB-48B3-BE11-87D5A9EBD645@amglighthouse.co.za> Message-ID: Nigel, If you were able to use the original HyperCard, but with the advanced capabilities of Revolution/LiveCode, on today's hardware you cannot imagine how ecstatic you would be doing the same thing. Your learning curve would be a matter of hours, rather than a couple of weeks. Of course we didn't have the Internet or Lists like this to help us, but the early books on H/C, and there were many very good ones, were all one needed. Inside of two weeks, I was already teaching others how to use H/C on Mac SE30s with Mac Users clamoring to get a seat. As always, my motto was: "the best way to learn ANYTHING is to teach it." So, find a venue where you can teach LiveCode and get paid, nominally of course, to learn it better yourself. Instead of working ON your son's projects, set up a class to teach LiveCode to your son, and have him invite a few of his friends/schoolmates. You'll be surprised at how much you will learn in order to answer their queries. I no longer contribute, but you may wish to check out which is still a fabulous resource for Mac Users of all levels. Dig deeply and you'll find a few of my old contributions; even about Revolution in its pre-LiveCode days. Good luck, Joe Wilkins On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:24 PM, Nigel Soden wrote: > But, I'm a fairly new-bee to LC and to date I must say that I look forward to coming home after working in C# .Net (F...$%^&* usless. s....) and working on some projects for my son. The difference between the two is that I know one works while the other pretends to work. :) From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 02:17:38 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 09:17:38 +0200 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <76305D45-9CDE-4B49-87AE-34749C8B7895@mines-paristech.fr> References: <76305D45-9CDE-4B49-87AE-34749C8B7895@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <510CBD92.2050808@gmail.com> On 02/02/2013 02:16 AM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > OK, open source is the cure for cancer... > So I spend months, which become years implementing, say, a decent math library for Livecode.... > Who pays the rent????? You will have to release it as commercial-only if you want any rent at all in the form of money. If, however, you want a universally stronger Livecode you can release it as Open Source. I have a feeling you don't entirely understand the Open Source paradigm; there isn't all that much point in asking these sort of questions as people like Richard Stallman have already answered them a very long time ago (well, at least time for his beard to grow down to his knees - LOL). > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 02:20:42 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 09:20:42 +0200 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> Message-ID: <510CBE4A.6070707@gmail.com> On 02/02/2013 05:55 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > No, I'm not referring to a Chinese farmer? > > I emailed Steve Wozniak earlier today, and he replied already. He said he's going to sponsor 'me' on Kickstarter. I've replied to let him know that it isn't me, I'm just a customer and a pledger. And to ask again if he would Tweet about it. > > He also said this, and hopefully he won't mind that I've quoted him: > > "I have never found anything like Hypercard (or its variants) that was simple enough for students to make sophisticated apps that looked and worked the same as ones from professional developers." > > Also, in replying to me he cc'd his wife, Bill Atkinson (at the email address I had already sent to when emailing Bill), and John Sculley. Something funny with your syntax there: I didn't know Steve Wozniak was married to Bill Atkinson. Now that would be an interesting partnership in terms of productivity! > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 03:16:17 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 10:16:17 +0200 Subject: Modularised engine, Metacard, and other daft thoughts. Message-ID: <510CCB51.7090900@gmail.com> If the open source engine is to be modularised would it be possible to lift it out of the Open Source version of Livecode (this naming is getting clunky: there needs to be another name for this) and drop it into a Metacard shell? After all, Metacard is (bar the engine) now O-S. Would it be possible to take the O-S engine and drop it into a "hollowed out" commercial variant? and the other way around? What will be Open Source: 1. Everything? 2. The /modularised/ engine? 3. The IDE / GUI ? Am I right in thinking that, theoretically at least, we could end up with 108 varieties of the O-S: Bjorn's variant, Klaus's variant, Richard Gaskin's extremely heavy variant, Richmond's variant ???? Some of these variants involving hacked engines, and some involving hacked GUIs, and so on. And would we have to design a family tree so that users could track the provenances of each variant to ensure interoperability? If the state of the current use-list is anything to go on, we will have a Mao-like flowering; let's just hope the powers that be then don't start breaking people's legs and sending them off to collective farms in Tibet. ----------------------------- How, for instance, would we stop Mr/Ms X from taking some components of the commercial variant, mixing them with some components of the O-S variant and peddling the resultant chimaera? I wonder how, exactly, RunRev are going to police the situation, and in the event of "naughty things" happening, enforce the law. Of course the good folks in Edinburgh (where one has to put on a matching twinset just to brush the front steps) will have thought about this already (won't they????) and worked the odd thing out. I am just being devil's advocate. Richmond. From scott at elementarysoftware.com Sat Feb 2 03:36:54 2013 From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 00:36:54 -0800 Subject: mobilePick with "checkmark" Message-ID: I'm sure I had this working at one point but I seem unable to get a check mark to appear using mobilePick. Everything else about the appearance and content of the list picker seems to be as expected. I didn't notice any mention of this in QCC (bugzilla) or on the list. I'm testing this under iOS using LiveCode 5.5.3 Suggestions welcome My code looks like mobilePick tList, tCurrentPickMethodLineNumber, "checkmark" -- Scott Morrow Elementary Software (Now with 20% less chalk dust!) web http://elementarysoftware.com/ email scott at elementarysoftware.com office 1-800-615-0867 ------------------------------------------------------ From alex at tweedly.net Sat Feb 2 04:08:06 2013 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 09:08:06 +0000 Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: <510C927B.2090402@hyperactivesw.com> References: <6522B6DA-28FE-41D5-8FBB-E13367535C7A@netrin.com> <8CFCEEE60B01383-13B0-656B2@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com> <510C609D.2060500@tweedly.net> <510C927B.2090402@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <510CD776.9000708@tweedly.net> There may well be a bug in my code - I wrote it between midnight and 1am last night, tested it on 50 random cases, and let it be free :-) I'll look over it carefully this morning and see if I find anything. But no, there isn't a problem with many short lines. We have a block of data where the first instance of a leading digit (if there is one) occurs; that block is (inclusively) between tLower and tUpper. We don't care how many lines there are in that block -only that the first leading digit is within it. There's no need to decrease kBrute to deal with short lines, because we still do a full search (in this case using filter) when we get down to a block of size kBrute. It would actually be more efficient to decrease kBrute, because then we'd do the efficient binary reduction further, until we switch to the slower - but easier - brute force method. The purpose of kBrute is to avoid a couple of corner cases that I didn't want to think through :-) When we calculate a new tMid, we then need to find the start of a line near to it, so that we can decide whether to adjust the lower or upper limit. Easiest way to do that is to assume we are somewhere in the middle of a line, and use the following line (hence the use of line *2* of the remaining chunk). However, this means that we need to be sure the new 1/2-block contains a CR - hence the need for kBrute. [Aside - I said "assume we are in the middle of a line" - even if we are actually at the start or end of it, it sill works OK to use the following line, so it's not a critical assumption] So - I'll go check the code again (and probably just handle this corner case to eliminate kBrute - that should make it marginally faster as well). -- Alex. On 02/02/2013 04:13, J. Landman Gay wrote: > I'm glad you did this, it's interesting. I'm not sure about the binary > results. Doesn't the repeat loop exit early if the search block > contains a few short lines? I think you could get a block of text that > might contain the first instance of a leading digit, but they wouldn't > be checked because their total length would be less than kBrute. > > Anyway, for lists with shorter lines the script would need to lower > the kBrute variable to a smaller number, and then the timing might be > different. 10,000 seems like a pretty large exit condition. > > I could easily not be understanding what's going on though. These > things warp my brain. > > > On 2/1/13 6:41 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: >> >> I just can't resist a good benchmark / coding challenge. >> > ... >>> >>> function f3 @pD >>> local r, tLower, tUpper, tMid, c, t, temp >>> constant kBrute = 10000 >>> >>> put 1 into tLower >>> put (the number of chars in pD) + 1 into tUpper >>> >>> repeat 10000 times -- more than enough :-) >>> if tUpper - tLower < kBrute then exit repeat >>> put (tUpper + tlower ) / 2 into tMid >>> put char 1 of line 2 of (char tMid to tUpper of pD) into c >>> if c is a number then >>> put tMid into tUpper >>> else >>> put tMid into tLower >>> end if >>> end repeat >>> >>> put char tLower to tUpper of pD into temp >>> filter temp without "[0-9]*" >>> if temp is empty then >>> -- no lines start with numeric >>> return "No lines" >>> else >>> put the number of lines in (char 1 to tLower of pD) into t >>> add the number of lines in temp to t >>> return t >>> end if >>> end f3 > From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Sat Feb 2 04:56:49 2013 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 10:56:49 +0100 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <510C67B8.8000501@fourthworld.com> References: <510C6240.80707@fourthworld.com> <510C67B8.8000501@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the kind answer, Richard. Le 2 f?vr. 2013 ? 02:11, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > > OK, open source is the cure for cancer... > > So I spend months, which become years implementing, say, a decent > > math library for Livecode.... > > Who pays the rent????? > > Alternative answer: > > You may not need to write the library at all, but instead find that someone else has already written it for you. > > Something we haven't considered much here is an aspect Todd Geist and I were discussing yesterday: community. > > When a software goes open source, esp. a dev tool or programming language, the community will grow many times larger than it was, with contributions coming from people you've never heard of a year earlier. > > Our little corner of the world is about to grow. A lot. Many new names will show up in the list and on the forums. As gene pools go, there may be a malcontent or two along the way, but mostly what we'll see are eager young programmers looking to LiveCode as a way to learn, and contribute, and make a name for themselves. > > They want to help, but many of the big projects already have their bases covered, so a language like LiveCode is a great opportunity to contribute in many valuable ways. > > And because LiveCode is really two languages, an engine in C++ and the high-level scripting we use with it, there are more opportunities to contribute than most dev tools provide. > > Through this new generation of LiveTalkers we can expect to see dozens of classic algos translated into LiveCode for community use. > > If we can pull this off with the Kickstarter campaign, we'll arrive on the other side in an exciting new place: everything we've loved about the language and the community for years, just a heckuva lot more of it. > > So the math library you're looking for may already be written by the time you need it. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 2 05:08:39 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 05:08:39 -0500 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <67711D77-8042-4897-8674-E74007A89107@sweattechnologies.com> References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> <71FB4037-6FEE-4E82-A5DA-979BDFE69B3B@sweattechnologies.com> <67711D77-8042-4897-8674-E74007A89107@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: That may be awkward, after him telling me that he doesn't tweet that kind of thing. On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:54 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >He backed it!... I just thanked him on twitter... maybe others should? From bvg at mac.com Sat Feb 2 05:55:02 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 11:55:02 +0100 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> <71FB4037-6FEE-4E82-A5DA-979BDFE69B3B@sweattechnologies.com> <67711D77-8042-4897-8674-E74007A89107@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <8467300D-B2AD-4581-8375-82F1003764AB@mac.com> Ah, but we don't know that, all we know is that he shows up as a pledger ;-) On 02.02.2013, at 11:08, Colin Holgate wrote: > That may be awkward, after him telling me that he doesn't tweet that kind of thing. > > > On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:54 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >>> He backed it!... I just thanked him on twitter... maybe others should? > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From effendi at wanadoo.fr Sat Feb 2 08:04:06 2013 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 14:04:06 +0100 Subject: Apple (et alia) !! Message-ID: <70E69ED2-70B0-4131-92F7-0C42DA5AF7F5@wanadoo.fr> Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Phase 1 - Your data isn't in your computer. It's somewhere ! And to get to it, you need to pay, on a rental basis ! Phase 2 - The application necessary to access your data isn't yours any more - It isn't in your computer. You have to pay to use it, to get to your data, on a rental basis ! Phase 3 - Your computer is no longer your computer. You can't use it unless "they" say so, and you have no say upon what you execute on "no longer your" computer, or else must pay for the authorization to use it, on a rental basis. Phase 4 - You no longer have free access to information (like g**gling). You will pay for it on a point system, and the more you want to know, the more you will pay. I bet you will say "it's worth a few dollars for what you get", and G**gle will be laughing, all the way to the bank ! And with so much profit, aforementioned companies will buy into many other walks of life, such as food, transport, health ? and then my friends, you are in deep "s**t". A Japanese company is already selling cans of fresh air. You are already being screwed, but this is just the beginning ! Welcome to the 21st Century. -Francis From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Feb 2 09:06:33 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 06:06:33 -0800 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <94D78CE7-D2BB-48B3-BE11-87D5A9EBD645@amglighthouse.co.za> References: <94D78CE7-D2BB-48B3-BE11-87D5A9EBD645@amglighthouse.co.za> Message-ID: <510D1D69.2090107@fourthworld.com> Nigel Soden wrote: > ...I'm a fairly new-bee to LC and to date I must say that I look > forward to coming home after working in C# .Net (F...$%^&* usless. > s....) and working on some projects for my son. How much more fun would things be if your day job also had you working in LiveCode? This is the world we can begin to approach if we can pull off this Kickstarter campaign. Regardless of individual merit, proprietary languages can rarely if ever be as popular as free and open languages. Today, most of the coding jobs are for Java, Python, Ruby, PHP, and other open source languages. If LiveCode could go open source it gains an accessibility and legitimacy that at last puts it on equal footing with those languages. LiveCode's merits are clear. The open source world has never seen anything like it. Sure, there are numerous dynamically-compiled high-level languages, but none with a rich and flexible GUI object model so well integrated, on so many platforms. An open source language can get the attention of many types of people and organizations who simply won't consider a sole-source proprietary language, no matter how useful it is. But that can change. The Kickstarter campaign is the key. Not just for what it can do for us who already enjoy the benefits of working with LiveCode, but also for the millions who will then be in a position to consider it. Consider where MySQL was when it was only proprietary, and how far it's come since it began offering a free and open edition. Then consider what the world would look like if LiveCode had a community even just one-fourth the size of Python's. That's not an unrealistic expectation. In the long term, it may be a conservative one. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 2 09:53:46 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 09:53:46 -0500 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <8467300D-B2AD-4581-8375-82F1003764AB@mac.com> References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> <71FB4037-6FEE-4E82-A5DA-979BDFE69B3B@sweattechnologies.com> <67711D77-8042-4897-8674-E74007A89107@sweattechnologies.com> <8467300D-B2AD-4581-8375-82F1003764AB@mac.com> Message-ID: <1E59A747-9407-459B-930B-AFB8CBB511C7@verizon.net> Where does Kicstarter show the list of names? On Feb 2, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > Ah, but we don't know that, all we know is that he shows up as a pledger ;-) From peterwawood at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 09:56:15 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:56:15 +0800 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <1E59A747-9407-459B-930B-AFB8CBB511C7@verizon.net> References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> <71FB4037-6FEE-4E82-A5DA-979BDFE69B3B@sweattechnologies.com> <67711D77-8042-4897-8674-E74007A89107@sweattechnologies.com> <8467300D-B2AD-4581-8375-82F1003764AB@mac.com> <1E59A747-9407-459B-930B-AFB8CBB511C7@verizon.net> Message-ID: <14EB1524-75F8-4F52-8E6B-074E6C475296@gmail.com> On 2 Feb 2013, at 22:53, Colin Holgate wrote: > Where does Kicstarter show the list of names? Here - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode/backers From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 10:01:59 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:01:59 +0200 Subject: Apple (et alia) !! In-Reply-To: <70E69ED2-70B0-4131-92F7-0C42DA5AF7F5@wanadoo.fr> References: <70E69ED2-70B0-4131-92F7-0C42DA5AF7F5@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <510D2A67.1030204@gmail.com> On 02/02/2013 03:04 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > Hi from Beautiful Brittany, > > Phase 1 - Your data isn't in your computer. It's somewhere ! > And to get to it, you need to pay, on a rental basis ! > > Phase 2 - The application necessary to access your data > isn't yours any more - It isn't in your computer. You have to > pay to use it, to get to your data, on a rental basis ! > > Phase 3 - Your computer is no longer your computer. You > can't use it unless "they" say so, and you have no say upon > what you execute on "no longer your" computer, or else > must pay for the authorization to use it, on a rental basis. > > Phase 4 - You no longer have free access to information (like > g**gling). You will pay for it on a point system, and the more > you want to know, the more you will pay. I bet you will say > "it's worth a few dollars for what you get", and G**gle will > be laughing, all the way to the bank ! Until comparatively recently that was the situation: if you owned an encyclopedia or lived in a place rich enough to have a library with an encyclopedia (meaning you paid taxes to fund that library), you had access to information which the had-nots did not. It is only recently we have had easier and cheaper access to information with the advent of the internet and publically available repositories of information. The really BAD thing is that the vast majority of people seem to take this access to information as a given and don't seem to be aware of just how easily it could be removed again. As an anti-Socialist, I see the internet and open source software as the best way to say "Power to the People" without all the Communist claptrap. But as a sort of capitalist I am aware that nothing is truly free, and that as well as having to work for something, one also has to carry on working to retain possession of it. > > And with so much profit, aforementioned companies will buy > into many other walks of life, such as food, transport, health ? > and then my friends, you are in deep "s**t". That is seriously scary, and I have the feeling that to a very large extent the current status quo is exactly that. > > A Japanese company is already selling cans of fresh air. > > You are already being screwed, but this is just the beginning ! > > Welcome to the 21st Century. > > -Francis > _______________________________________________ > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Feb 2 10:08:43 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 07:08:43 -0800 Subject: Modularised engine, Metacard, and other daft thoughts. In-Reply-To: <510CCB51.7090900@gmail.com> References: <510CCB51.7090900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <510D2BFB.6020103@fourthworld.com> Richmond wrote: > If the open source engine is to be modularised would it be possible > to lift it out of the Open Source version of Livecode (this naming > is getting clunky: there needs to be another name for this) > and drop it into a Metacard shell? Any IDE that runs on the LiveCode engine -- whether LiveCode's, MetaCard, or anything else anyone chooses to write -- is just a collection of stacks. It's always been possible for there to be any number of IDEs, and I see no reason why this couldn't continue regardless of any new licensing options. The MC IDE was released as open source after the acquisition of the engine by RunRev Ltd. in 2003, under the very permissive X11 ("MIT") license. Since the X11 license makes source available, the Free Software Foundation considers it compatible with GPL3: Given the relative ease with which one can make IDEs in LiveCode, if it can become open source the community will grow large enough that we may see a wide range of alternate IDEs available. > If the state of the current use-list is anything to go on, we will > have a Mao-like flowering; let's just hope the powers that be then > don't start breaking people's legs and sending them off to collective > farms in Tibet. Funny you should use the Mao reference: in the olden days, in regard to alternate IDEs Dr. Raney used to say, "Let a thousand flowers bloom." RunRev has always allowed alternative IDEs, since they all require a licensed engine to run them. In fact, changes to the engine in 2007 made it much easier to do so. The Community Edition makes this even easier, and I would imagine RunRev would have no problem with those that adhere to the GPL license requirements. That said, while it's *relatively* easy to write IDE stacks for the LiveCode engine (compared to work on the engine itself), doing a complete job is still a non-trivial task. As much as we've enjoyed MetaCard over the years, Ken Ray and I have had to put it into maintenance mode, because RunRev has been adding features to the engine faster than we can affordably build GUI tools to support them, migrating most of our efforts instead to providing tools for use withing the LiveCode IDE. MC remains open and available, and anyone with sufficient time and interest is welcome to contribute. But historically such contributions have been few, and Ken, Klaus, Jacque, and the others who've worked on it have had to give priority to our client projects. If the Kickstarter campaign is successful, the resulting growth in the community will likely bring many eager adventurous souls on board, some of which may become enamored enough of the MC IDE to take it to a whole new level, or fork it into a radically new IDE. All such options are available to those with time and interest, and can be done under either the proprietary license as we've been doing for years, or under the new GPL license if it's a better fit for the project's goals. > How, for instance, would we stop Mr/Ms X from taking some components > of the commercial variant, mixing them with some components of the > O-S variant and peddling the resultant chimaera? > > I wonder how, exactly, RunRev are going to police the situation, and > in the event of "naughty things" happening, enforce the law. AFAIK the proposed proprietary license retains many of the restrictions currently in place, so distributing a fork of the proprietary version would seem unlikely without severe repercussions. Indeed, the proceeds resulting from such a suit may be quite beneficial to RunRev. ;) The GPL version does lend itself to forking. This is an inherent feature of GPL (part of Freedom 3), and we've seen this with MariaDB being forked from MySQL, LibreOffice forked from OpenOffice, and others. But those two examples illustrate why forking such complex projects occurs: both MariaDB and LibraOffice were the result of broken trust from Oracle's management of those projects. Forking such a substantial code base is costly, no more trivial than RunRev's managing of the original branch, as the cost outlays described on the Kickstarter page make clear. Orgs only spend that much money as a last resort, when all other attempts to correct disagreements over management fail. MariaDB and LibreOffice have earned the backing of many large organizations because they felt the original project's management could no longer be trusted to fulfill the projects' goals. If RunRev's management of LiveCode were to become like that of Oracle's, we could expect the community to respond similarly. But thankfully we have no reason to believe that the company will take such a turn. And all the while, Oracle retains full ownership of the proprietary license for MySQL, just as RunRev would remain the only place professional devs could obtain a proprietary license for LiveCode. Could it be distracting to see forks of the GPL version? Indeed it would, but FOSS communities tend to frown on needless forking for that reason, or at least just ignore such forks. The Ubuntu project may provide a good example of both useful and useless forking: Ubuntu was formed as an extension of the Debian project because Ubuntu seeks to pursue a different goal, emphasizing usability for the individual user, while Debian's goal emphasizes stability for organizations. Debian has a slow release cycle, and is the world's most popular solution for servers. Ubuntu releases semi-annually, and is the world's most popular distro for desktop use. Over the years Ubuntu has been forked dozens of times, a few rather popular (like Mint), and most with almost no users at all (like Hanna Montana Linux , and Ubuntu Satanic Edition ). But none have Ubuntu's 23-million-and-growing user base, and none have Canonical's OEM bundling agreements that make it possible to walk into computer stores from Italy to India and buy a computer with Ubuntu pre-installed, because it takes a fair bit of capital to pull that off. Similarly, I would expect LiveCode's Community Edition to be forked, but I would also expect RunRev's version to remain the standard by far, and the rest being fringe projects, most dying off over time as most of the contributions continue to focus around RunRev. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 2 10:27:36 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 10:27:36 -0500 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <14EB1524-75F8-4F52-8E6B-074E6C475296@gmail.com> References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> <71FB4037-6FEE-4E82-A5DA-979BDFE69B3B@sweattechnologies.com> <67711D77-8042-4897-8674-E74007A89107@sweattechnologies.com> <8467300D-B2AD-4581-8375-82F1003764AB@mac.com> <1E59A747-9407-459B-930B-AFB8CBB511C7@verizon.net> <14EB1524-75F8-4F52-8E6B-074E6C475296@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E86F01-BE8C-4CBD-BF56-815464864F94@verizon.net> Thanks. I wonder how many Kickstarter pledgers realize that people can see all their projects listed online! With the close tracking we're doing we can deduce how much Steve pledged, which I imagine is not so public information. BTW, we've gone past ?50k. On Feb 2, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote: >> Where does Kicstarter show the list of names? > > Here - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode/backers From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Sat Feb 2 11:00:31 2013 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 11:00:31 -0500 Subject: Arrow Key Selection in Option Menus Message-ID: <4CF73411-1073-4FC0-9E25-8977A5B02F25@videotron.ca> Hello everyone, I have a question about buttons formatted as option menus. I created a standalone for my students that allows them to submit answers to multiple choice homework assignments via FTP to my Mac at work. Once in a while I will receive a blank submission from a student using a PC version of the standalone. By blank, I mean the student's text file on my Mac, which is their log, is updated with the date and time and name of the quiz, but the list of answer choices, for example, "A, C, A, A, B, E", is missing. As far as I can tell, it has never happened with students using Macs. I thought it might be that some students quit the app before receiving the confirmation that their answers have gone through. I took that possibility into account by building in a progress message and a warning not to quit, and a warning for students who were actually submitting a list of blanks. One day, a PC-using student, who had had the blank experience, told me that he is able to submit successfully when he selects his answers using a trackpad or a mouse, but that when he selects answers using the arrow keys, the answers that appear selected in the option buttons are not sent. I took a look at this on my Mac, and although I seldom use the arrow keys, I can select answers in option menus using the arrow keys, and I can send them fine. My handler simply loops through the option buttons and gathers the answers by taking the value of the selected line. Is there something else I should be doing for PC users? Gregory Associate Professor Department of Finance John Molson School of Business Concordia University Montreal, Canada From nigels at amglighthouse.co.za Sat Feb 2 11:47:34 2013 From: nigels at amglighthouse.co.za (Nigel Soden) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 18:47:34 +0200 Subject: LC MISTAKES Message-ID: Richard I entend too do so, but I live with a very tight budget so I hope that this continues for awhile to allow me a little 'slice of the cake' so to speak. I must be the ONLY user in South Africa as I have not heard of anyone else using LC. A little while ago the company I work was looking for an alternative development platform for developing mobile application. Nothing complicated. It was at this point that I found LC. I downloaded the trial version and showed it to my colleagues. Yes, there was other's as well but felt that it's simplicity fitted the bill perfectly. Well, did I get a belting. here are some of the comments I got from my esteemed colleagues. 1. How can such a simple language possibly create commercial applications 2. The language is too simple 3. What the hell is LiveCode, what best practices does it follow. 4. It's not main stream and therefore were are they going to find developers. 5. (Having explained the history of LiveCode) If Apple dropped there must be a reason for had it been a useful tool they would have developed it further. 6. It's not OOPS - (Man I hate that word) Yip... I should have known the more three letters you have after your name the more stupid one becomes. Why is it that humans think the more complex something is the better it is. I have discussed this with a few other independent developers but what really stumbles them is the Stack concept. It's just to alienated from main stream terminology. I must tell you it did stumble me at first and it does require a mind shift. And yes, the more I use it the more I'm required to rethink the way to resolve a problem. South Africa is dominated by and flooded by Microsoft products. 99% of all development is done in C# although I have noticed that ROR (Ruby On Rails) is gaining some momentum. So to make a living here it's best you have C# experience. There is a HUGE percentage of the population that would benefit from such a product as LiveCode but it would need some capital as this portion have no means to purchase the required equipment and software to grow into it. This LiveCode kickstart is an ideal opportunity to bring these folks into the computer culture. I come from a Clarion background and having taught many folks in it's usage it has unfortunately died here in SA and that I squarely but the blame of the developers of Clarion. I'm willing to support this process every month with a little contribution. You've heard of Mark Shuttleworth, he's the South African that went into space and brought us Ubuntu, now that is what we need here in SA for LC The more I work with LC the more I see what I can do with it, the more excited I am seeing a way for me to do medium size projects that wont cost an arm and a leg to do. This is my main goal as I am preparing myself in removing myself from main stream and going into semi-retirement. I'm really looking forward to this and LIC fits my retirement portfolio. now... back to the keyboard into the life of a LC hermit. :) From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sat Feb 2 12:13:54 2013 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 09:13:54 -0800 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <45E86F01-BE8C-4CBD-BF56-815464864F94@verizon.net> References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net><71FB4037-6FEE-4E82-A5DA-979BDFE69B3B@sweattechnologies.com><67711D77-8042-4897-8674-E74007A89107@sweattechnologies.com><8467300D-B2AD-4581-8375-82F1003764AB@mac.com><1E59A747-9407-459B-930B-AFB8CBB511C7@verizon.net><14EB1524-75F8-4F52-8E6B-074E6C475296@gmail.com> <45E86F01-BE8C-4CBD-BF56-815464864F94@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4F24729D5B644EB7861F7B29DBFBA277@GATEWAY> > Thanks. I wonder how many Kickstarter pledgers realize that > people can see all their projects listed online! With the > close tracking we're doing we can deduce how much Steve > pledged, which I imagine is not so public information. > > BTW, we've gone past ?50k. You can turn off sharing and tracking. It is an incredible violation of privacy for Kickstarter to display that by default. I didn't realize it until I started collecting followers. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Feb 2 12:40:16 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 09:40:16 -0800 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <510D4F80.2020400@fourthworld.com> Nigel Soden wrote: > ...here are some of the comments I got from my esteemed colleagues. > > 1. How can such a simple language possibly create commercial > applications > 2. The language is too simple > 3. What the hell is LiveCode, what best practices does it follow. > 4. It's not main stream and therefore were are they going to find > developers. > 5. (Having explained the history of LiveCode) If Apple dropped there > must be a reason for had it been a useful tool they would have > developed it further. > 6. It's not OOPS - (Man I hate that word) > > Yip... I should have known the more three letters you have after your > name the more stupid one becomes. Why is it that humans think the > more complex something is the better it is. LOL. Thanks for posting that list. I've heard many of those myself over the years. #1, 2, and 3 can only be answered by trying it. As more people come on board its reputation will eventually precede it, and that question will diminish over time in most circles. I say "most" because of #6. There's a long thread on the Ubuntu forums right now about functional programming, with more than a little backlash against the broken promises of OOP. Not that OOP isn't useful, but it isn't always the best way to solve every problem. #5 requires that you know something about Apple; their choices are made for reasons unique to their unusual place in the world, sometimes known only to themselves. #4 will be taken care of if the FOSS effort is successful, thereby also addressing most of the rest as well. :) > I have discussed this with a few other independent developers but > what really stumbles them is the Stack concept. It's just to > alienated from main stream terminology. I must tell you it did > stumble me at first and it does require a mind shift. And yes, > the more I use it the more I'm required to rethink the way to > resolve a problem. Yes, LiveCode is definitely a very unusual way of working, but with it comes an equally unusual productivity and return-on-investment. Sadly, this is often the sort of claim that folks are skeptical of - until they try it. Few who give LiveCode an earnest go walk away without seeing a role for it in at least some of the work they do. > You've heard of Mark Shuttleworth, he's the South African that went > into space and brought us Ubuntu, now that is what we need here in > SA for LC Later this month LiveCode will be the subject of my talk at UbuCon, the all-day Ubuntu event at the SoCal Linux Expo. At least a couple people from Canonical will be there, and the timing couldn't be better: Over the last two years Canonical has understood that the path to mainstream adoption is largely dependent on bringing more apps to the platform, and has launched a good many initiatives to bring more apps on board. This was a key focus of the Ubuntu Developer Summit I attended in May, and those efforts within Canonical have only grown since. So I suspect such a rapid app dev tool as LiveCode will get their attention. In the meantime, you're it. :) Keep spreading the good word, and at least a few open-minded people will be fortunate enough to hear what you're saying. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 13:47:17 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:47:17 +0200 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <510D4F80.2020400@fourthworld.com> References: <510D4F80.2020400@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <510D5F35.5080608@gmail.com> > > So I suspect such a rapid app dev tool as LiveCode will get their > attention. Imagine the O-S version of Livecode in the Ubuntu repositories (let alone Debian and further afield); even, think of it as being installed in a default install alongside Python. My toes have curled up with excitiment! > > In the meantime, you're it. :) Keep spreading the good word, and at > least a few open-minded people will be fortunate enough to hear what > you're saying. > > -- > Richard Gaskin From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 2 13:56:24 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 12:56:24 -0600 Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: <510CD776.9000708@tweedly.net> References: <6522B6DA-28FE-41D5-8FBB-E13367535C7A@netrin.com> <8CFCEEE60B01383-13B0-656B2@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com> <510C609D.2060500@tweedly.net> <510C927B.2090402@hyperactivesw.com> <510CD776.9000708@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <510D6158.7080805@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/2/13 3:08 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > There's no need to decrease kBrute to deal with > short lines, because we still do a full search (in this case using > filter) when we get down to a block of size kBrute. Aha. The filter is the part I missed. I get it now. Clever. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pete at lcsql.com Sat Feb 2 13:57:26 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 10:57:26 -0800 Subject: ANother possible naming convention? Message-ID: We've got the prefix of either "c" or "u" for custom properties, but might there be a case for "v" to indicate virtual custom properties (those with a setprop handler)? Pete lcSQL Software From mark.rauterkus at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 14:02:39 2013 From: mark.rauterkus at gmail.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 14:02:39 -0500 Subject: Kickstarter fishing noise Message-ID: Hi All, So, what about the ones at SuperCard? Perhaps that is a place to troll. And, perhaps a deal maker could get a list for a trade of sorts. The various Linux user groups are another place to go fishing with this news. They may be keen to chip in sight unseen. Then there are vertical markets to fish too. The buddies in my profession my chip in if I ask because it is a tool in my box that can then be in yours once this ticket to freedom gets punched. Plus, what I do now can be shared, making all better in the process. Getting 20 profession peers at the smaller rates is not out of the question, just on the hyper plea from a close contact and the cause, buzz, trend of kick starting. If you have never done a kickstart pledge, this is the one to do. Like Kiva, microcredit, but paying it forward to the world for open source! Mark Rauterkus Mark at Rauterkus.com 412-298-3432 -- -- Ta. Mark Rauterkus Mark.Rauterkus at gmail.com PPS Summer Dreamers' Swim and Water Polo Camp Head Coach Pittsburgh Combined Water Polo Team http://Rauterkus.blogspot.com http://FixPA.wikia.com http://CLOH.wikia.com 412 298 3432 = cell From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 14:06:45 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:06:45 +0200 Subject: Modularised engine, Metacard, and other daft thoughts. In-Reply-To: <510CCB51.7090900@gmail.com> References: <510CCB51.7090900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <510D63C5.40409@gmail.com> Further questions: 1. Will the stacks created with the O-S version be openable by the PAY version, and the other way round? 2. What's to stop somebody spending a few years developing something with the O-S version and then paying for the shortest possible licence (time-wise) to spin off commercial apps with protected code? Richmond. From davidocoker at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 14:09:27 2013 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 13:09:27 -0600 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <510D5F35.5080608@gmail.com> References: <510D4F80.2020400@fourthworld.com> <510D5F35.5080608@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Imagine the O-S version of Livecode in the Ubuntu repositories (let alone > Debian and further afield); > even, think of it as being installed in a default install alongside Python. > > My toes have curled up with excitiment! > Exactly! From tedennis at softwaredetails.com Sat Feb 2 14:16:23 2013 From: tedennis at softwaredetails.com (Terry Dennis) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 11:16:23 -0800 Subject: hilitedLines bug Message-ID: Bug: hilitedLines is incorrect after delete of a line. on mouseUp if exists(field "Info") then delete field "Info" end if create field "Info" set the listBehavior of field "Info" to true repeat with tCounter = 1 to 20 put "test data" && tCounter & cr after field "Info" end repeat set the hilitedLines of field "Info" to "12,13,14,15" if the hilitedLines of field "Info" <> "12,13,14,15" then answer "Ooops - Should be 12,13,14,15 -- is" && the hilitedLines of field "Info" breakpoint end if delete line 2 of field "Info" if the hilitedLines of field "Info" <> "11,12,13,14" then answer "Ooops - Should be 11,12,13,14 -- is" && the hilitedLines of field "Info" breakpoint end if end mouseUp From bvg at mac.com Sat Feb 2 14:23:08 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:23:08 +0100 Subject: Modularised engine, Metacard, and other daft thoughts. In-Reply-To: <510D63C5.40409@gmail.com> References: <510CCB51.7090900@gmail.com> <510D63C5.40409@gmail.com> Message-ID: 1. yes 2. that's supposed to happen 3. you're smarte then those questions! On 02.02.2013, at 20:06, Richmond wrote: > Further questions: > > 1. Will the stacks created with the O-S version be openable by the PAY version, and the other way round? > > 2. What's to stop somebody spending a few years developing something with the O-S version and then > paying for the shortest possible licence (time-wise) to spin off commercial apps with protected code? > > Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 14:40:33 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:40:33 +0200 Subject: Windows 7 and mucking around with Unicode fonts. Message-ID: <510D6BB1.9070309@gmail.com> So, got some reasonably negative feedback re my Devawriter Pro running on Windows 7. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The feedback seems to be a "Livecode problem" rather than a "Richmond problem" (and I'm sure if I am guilty of passing the buck plenty of people here on the Use-List will leap to put me right) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, just installed Windows 7 into VMware player (and I seem to have about 2 weeks before I need a reg number). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and it consists of this: [bear with me as it involves a Sanskrit font] Hindi and Sanskrit are NOT written either in the way European languages are written (i.e. left-to-right) or in the way Middle-Eastern languages are written (i.e. right-to-left), but in a way which is largely left-to-right, except some letters are written in 'funny' places: 1. If one wants to write a work such as 'KIT' in Sanskrit the short 'i' is written before the 'K'. 2. The short 'i' overhangs the following 'K'. SO: when my Devawriter is used by an end-user on a Macintosh s/he types K-I-T and gets I-K-T (as they should). When an end-user does this on Windows XP s/he gets exactly the same sort of thing as they would get on a Mac. BUT (and it is a bl**dy big BUT): On Windows 7 (and possibly on Vista and Windows 8; although haven't had the opportunity to test this) they get I-*-K-T, where '8' is an artifact that looks rather like a sort of perforated circle. On export to HTML the text renders CORRECTLY, but on export to RTF it does NOT; obviously export to PNG and JPG images are a truckload of cough-cough-cough. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Furthermore; Windows 7 appears to go in for font substitution: My Devawriter uses its own Devawriter.ttf font lovingly crafted by moi, that contains a large number of 'awkward' glyphs in the first Personal Private Use area of the Unicode convention. Inside Windows 7, Devawriter Pro retains my glyphs from the PPU area, but substitutes the standard Hindi glyphs with Hindi glyphs from one of its own, inbuilt fonts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Obviously this situation is NOT GOOD; so; 2 questions: 1. Is it possible to enforce things so that Windows 7 doesn't substitute glyphs [don't even begin to understand this as the textFont is set for the output field] 2. Is there a way to get Unicode fonts to behave 'as they should' inside LC inside Windows 7? Anybody who is interested can mail me off-list and I will send them a zip file of screenshots of the problem. I am running LC 4.5. Richmond. From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Sat Feb 2 14:39:02 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 11:39:02 -0800 Subject: Arrow Key Selection in Option Menus In-Reply-To: <4CF73411-1073-4FC0-9E25-8977A5B02F25@videotron.ca> References: <4CF73411-1073-4FC0-9E25-8977A5B02F25@videotron.ca> Message-ID: Gregory, I did a quick test with option menus in stack created on a Mac and tested on Win7 under Parallels, they behaved exactly the same when using the arrow keys to choose the selection then pressing enter/return to record the choice, the main difference I could find is that on the Mac you definitely need to press return or enter, whereas on Win7 if I used the arrow keys to make the choice simply clicking on the next menu button would record the choice of the button just exited. That's probably opposite to what I expected to find given your issues. My only suggestion would be, maybe you could add a check to confirm that the answer has been stored as they answer each question or possibly a checksum to count the number of chars in the file before they upload it, just a couple of ideas. One of the biggest challenges I find in developing is thinking of all the ways things could go wrong, or what users may do differently than expected that will affect the data, and then covering all those options. I think I read something on Jacquie's site about a good way to test your software, is to silently watch someone else try to use it for the first time. HTH Paul On 2013-02-02, at 8:00 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have a question about buttons formatted as option menus. I created a standalone for my students that allows them to submit answers to multiple choice homework assignments via FTP to my Mac at work. Once in a while I will receive a blank submission from a student using a PC version of the standalone. By blank, I mean the student's text file on my Mac, which is their log, is updated with the date and time and name of the quiz, but the list of answer choices, for example, "A, C, A, A, B, E", is missing. As far as I can tell, it has never happened with students using Macs. I thought it might be that some students quit the app before receiving the confirmation that their answers have gone through. I took that possibility into account by building in a progress message and a warning not to quit, and a warning for students who were actually submitting a list of blanks. One day, a PC-using student, who had had the blank experience, told me that he is able to submit successfully when he selects his answers using a trackpad or a mouse, but that when he selects answers using the arrow keys, the answers that appear selected in the option buttons are not sent. > > I took a look at this on my Mac, and although I seldom use the arrow keys, I can select answers in option menus using the arrow keys, and I can send them fine. My handler simply loops through the option buttons and gathers the answers by taking the value of the selected line. Is there something else I should be doing for PC users? > > Gregory > > Associate Professor > Department of Finance > John Molson School of Business > Concordia University > Montreal, Canada > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 14:47:58 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:47:58 +0200 Subject: Windows 7 and mucking around with Unicode fonts. In-Reply-To: <510D6BB1.9070309@gmail.com> References: <510D6BB1.9070309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <510D6D6E.3060607@gmail.com> Further to my previous posting: Devawriter Pro + Sanskrit fonts behaved themselves perfectly under WINE 1.5.22 both when it was pretending to be Windows XP and when it was pretending to be Windows 7 which means, by the way, that the WINE people have NOT imitated all aspects of Windows 7 accurately (not that I mind). Richmond. From dochawk at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 15:07:57 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 12:07:57 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <510C6240.80707@fourthworld.com> References: <76305D45-9CDE-4B49-87AE-34749C8B7895@mines-paristech.fr> <510C6240.80707@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: So many thoughtful responses . . . I'll try to put all my thoughts in one spot (and will inevitably fail . . .) On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > If you want to share the code with the community, and do so in a way that > requires other derivative works to be similarly shared, you can use the > GPL-licensed version of LiveCode for that. Generally, using a GPL licensed tool doesn't turn the developed code into GPL code. OTOH, gcc isn't quite GPL, having exceptions to reach this end, as some of its own code ends up in the output. My initial impression is that a compiled, stand-alone stack would be full of code from the compiler, and would thus be "infected" by GPL terms. Then again, it might be possible to ship a non-GPL stack that was password protected that would be run by the GPL or non-GPL engine, although it might be impossible to handle the decryption in a way that doesn't make available a key that gives effective access to the source--the engine is going to need the key, and if the engine is GPL, it's trivial to put a single line in to print the key on receipt . . . The infection of the stand alone generated by the GPL compiler could well be the key that lets the commercial version thrive. It would also allow would-be developers a step in, developing initially with the GPL version, seeing if the project is possible, and then buying the commercial license. This also plays into the app store issues--if the license infects the stand-alone with the GPL, it would indeed keep it out of the store. Other thoughts: --on writing a feature: the GPL wouldn't stop anyone from writing and *using* a feature without releasing the code; he just couldn't ship the binary to anyone else without making the source available. --licensing: Needs to be dual-licensed, and to stay in control of the trademark/name and open source project. A patch won't make it into the named OSS version of the software without being maed available to RunRev for inclusion in the commercial version. Authors not willing to do so would have to maintain their own fork (e.g., NeoOffice), with the overhead/effort involved in that. also from Richard: >The other examples you noted weren't dual-licensed. I think a >good example here would be MySQL. Netscape and OpenOffice were both dual-licensed, and only code offered to both would be put into the named projects. -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 2 15:12:05 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 14:12:05 -0600 Subject: Arrow Key Selection in Option Menus In-Reply-To: <4CF73411-1073-4FC0-9E25-8977A5B02F25@videotron.ca> References: <4CF73411-1073-4FC0-9E25-8977A5B02F25@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <510D7315.8060701@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/2/13 10:00 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote: > I took a look at this on my Mac, and although I seldom use the arrow > keys, I can select answers in option menus using the arrow keys, and > I can send them fine. My handler simply loops through the option > buttons and gathers the answers by taking the value of the selected > line. Is there something else I should be doing for PC users? I'm not sure why it isn't working, but you might try getting the label of the button rather than the selectedline value. No promises. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Feb 2 15:12:42 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 12:12:42 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: <76305D45-9CDE-4B49-87AE-34749C8B7895@mines-paristech.fr> <510C6240.80707@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <501431644546.20130202121242@ahsoftware.net> > So many thoughtful responses . . . I'll try to put all my thoughts in > one spot (and will inevitably fail . . .) Thanks. I'm hesitant to get into this discussion, having only a layman's view, so it's good to get some professional insight. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Feb 2 15:14:17 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 12:14:17 -0800 Subject: ANother possible naming convention? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <911431739609.20130202121417@ahsoftware.net> Pete- Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:57:26 AM, you wrote: > We've got the prefix of either "c" or "u" for custom properties, but might > there be a case for "v" to indicate virtual custom properties (those with a > setprop handler)? I like it. Glx2 does flag these with hyperlinks, but it's good to have the textual reminder as well. I think I'll start using this. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 2 15:23:20 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 14:23:20 -0600 Subject: hilitedLines bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <510D75B8.5050603@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/2/13 1:16 PM, Terry Dennis wrote: > Bug: hilitedLines is incorrect after delete of a line. > > on mouseUp > if exists(field "Info") then > delete field "Info" > end if > create field "Info" > set the listBehavior of field "Info" to true > repeat with tCounter = 1 to 20 > put "test data" && tCounter & cr after field "Info" > end repeat > set the hilitedLines of field "Info" to "12,13,14,15" > if the hilitedLines of field "Info" <> "12,13,14,15" then > answer "Ooops - Should be 12,13,14,15 -- is" && the hilitedLines of field "Info" > breakpoint > end if > delete line 2 of field "Info" > if the hilitedLines of field "Info" <> "11,12,13,14" then > answer "Ooops - Should be 11,12,13,14 -- is" && the hilitedLines of field "Info" > breakpoint > end if > end mouseUp Yes, looks like the first pass is wrong. After the first line deletion I see only three hilitedlines instead of four (12,13,14). If I continue to delete line 2, the rest of the results are correct. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pmbrig at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 15:39:09 2013 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 15:39:09 -0500 Subject: Arrow Key Selection in Option Menus In-Reply-To: References: <4CF73411-1073-4FC0-9E25-8977A5B02F25@videotron.ca> Message-ID: On Feb 2, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > One of the biggest challenges I find in developing is thinking of all the ways things could go wrong, or what users may do differently than expected that will affect the data, and then covering all those options. Absolutely. Someone on this list (Richard Gaskin?) once observed that the difference between a tool and a product is that a tool only has to be able to be used properly, and a product must be unable to be used improperly. Unfortunately too much software gets released without the "give it to users to see if they can break it" testing. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig The first 90% of the task takes 90% of the time, and the last 10% takes the other 90% of the time. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 2 15:43:04 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 14:43:04 -0600 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: <76305D45-9CDE-4B49-87AE-34749C8B7895@mines-paristech.fr> <510C6240.80707@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <510D7A58.4080207@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/2/13 2:07 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > Then again, it might be possible to ship a non-GPL stack that was > password protected that would be run by the GPL or non-GPL engine, > although it might be impossible to handle the decryption in a way that > doesn't make available a key that gives effective access to the > source--the engine is going to need the key, and if the engine is GPL, > it's trivial to put a single line in to print the key on receipt . . . RR has said that no password protection will be available in the GPL engine, and it won't be able to open protected stacks. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From dochawk at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 15:55:29 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 12:55:29 -0800 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <6F8E21EA-6F6D-48FD-9222-516C29292EA2@cox.net> References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> <6F8E21EA-6F6D-48FD-9222-516C29292EA2@cox.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > I guess that would have qualified me as a "professional developer", although about that time >frame in my programming "education" I had to ask a dealer tech what the letter "k" stood for. >(hmn!) Years ago, the summer after high school while waiting for college, I applied for an ad by a startup for a programmer. On the phone, they said it was programming an MIS system, asked if I could do that, and asked for a resume. Not knowing better, I simply showed up with it, ended up talking and they showed me a machine. It was an Osborne, not an IMSAI, but I didn't say anything. I got hired on the spot when I showed them how to do something that had been vexing them, and six months later I finally asked what "MIS" meant. The director of R&D laughed, and said, "You wrote one, and now you want to know what it is?" :) -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From dochawk at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 16:02:41 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 13:02:41 -0800 Subject: gcc lc and gpl In-Reply-To: <866C5C7D-5C04-4F62-B139-03D83590D537@yahoo.com> References: <866C5C7D-5C04-4F62-B139-03D83590D537@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Bert Shuler wrote: > If I write a program in c, and compile it with gcc, that does not require my new program to be >gpl, even though gcc is, correct? Partly. gcc is actually one of many qgpl (quasi-gpl) licensed programs out there. Some did it by accident, others (such as gcc) included explicit deviations from the gpl. As gcc embeds some of its code into the executable, the GPL *would* infect the result, but for the exclusions granted in the gcc license. A livecode compile to a standalone would put significant amounts of livecode code into the executable, and it would be subject to the license of that code. Compile the same stack with the commercial version, and even though you used the gcc version to edit/develop, you haven't included it in your output, and you have a GPL-free executable. -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From pmbrig at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 16:04:27 2013 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 16:04:27 -0500 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <510D7A58.4080207@hyperactivesw.com> References: <76305D45-9CDE-4B49-87AE-34749C8B7895@mines-paristech.fr> <510C6240.80707@fourthworld.com> <510D7A58.4080207@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <59241C63-5B8F-4459-B388-50676AFC2CE0@gmail.com> On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/2/13 2:07 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > >> Then again, it might be possible to ship a non-GPL stack that was >> password protected that would be run by the GPL or non-GPL engine, >> although it might be impossible to handle the decryption in a way that >> doesn't make available a key that gives effective access to the >> source--the engine is going to need the key, and if the engine is GPL, >> it's trivial to put a single line in to print the key on receipt . . . > > RR has said that no password protection will be available in the GPL engine, and it won't be able to open protected stacks. I assume the "password protected" refers to the kind of password protection that hides scripts and encrypts the file on the hard drive. Does this also exclude the kind of roll-your-own password protection involved in scripting an "ask password" routine on openstack (I know that this is actually not much protection except from casual hacking attempts)? Will the GPL engine continue to have an "ask password" command, or will this be taken out? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sat Feb 2 16:08:09 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 08:08:09 +1100 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <59241C63-5B8F-4459-B388-50676AFC2CE0@gmail.com> References: <76305D45-9CDE-4B49-87AE-34749C8B7895@mines-paristech.fr> <510C6240.80707@fourthworld.com> <510D7A58.4080207@hyperactivesw.com> <59241C63-5B8F-4459-B388-50676AFC2CE0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0043F806-5BF2-40F7-BB8D-3814E1A5D71E@sweattechnologies.com> On 03/02/2013, at 8:04 AM, "Peter M. Brigham" wrote: > I assume the "password protected" refers to the kind of password protection that hides scripts and encrypts the file on the hard drive. Does this also exclude the kind of roll-your-own password protection involved in scripting an "ask password" routine on openstack (I know that this is actually not much protection except from casual hacking attempts)? Will the GPL engine continue to have an "ask password" command, or will this be taken out? Good question.... I guess we don't want that algorithm released either... -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From dochawk at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 16:11:13 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 13:11:13 -0800 Subject: A Personal Letter from Our CEO In-Reply-To: <510C058F.2060308@gmail.com> References: <1678846152.4331131359738847093.JavaMail.root@moldenhauer.iad01.hubspot-networks.net> <836B783D-3C38-467E-BFB3-A5FEBB091FAE@mac.com> <510C058F.2060308@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Richmond wrote: > but the only thing that has really ever worried me about Kevin Miller is > that he has always been shaved to the lips. I've never trusted the judgment of a man that will run a sharp piece of metal over his throat every morning before he fully wakes up . . . -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From pete at lcsql.com Sat Feb 2 16:21:41 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 13:21:41 -0800 Subject: hilitedLines bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I get the same result. Also happens if you delete a line after the originally selected lines. I'd say that was a bug. Pete lcSQL Software On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Terry Dennis wrote: > Bug: hilitedLines is incorrect after delete of a line. > > on mouseUp > if exists(field "Info") then > delete field "Info" > end if > create field "Info" > set the listBehavior of field "Info" to true > repeat with tCounter = 1 to 20 > put "test data" && tCounter & cr after field "Info" > end repeat > set the hilitedLines of field "Info" to "12,13,14,15" > if the hilitedLines of field "Info" <> "12,13,14,15" then > answer "Ooops - Should be 12,13,14,15 -- is" && the hilitedLines of > field "Info" > breakpoint > end if > delete line 2 of field "Info" > if the hilitedLines of field "Info" <> "11,12,13,14" then > answer "Ooops - Should be 11,12,13,14 -- is" && the hilitedLines of > field "Info" > breakpoint > end if > end mouseUp > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From martyknappster at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 16:37:08 2013 From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 13:37:08 -0800 Subject: Opening stacks in a standalone Message-ID: <510D8704.4030006@gmail.com> I'm having trouble with opening stacks in a standalone. I have setup a creator code and file extension. When I make and save a stack from within the app I first set the stackFileType to my creator code and "RSTK." If I 2x click the file in the Finder, it launches the program but does not open the stack. If I drag and drop this stack onto the app, the app hilites and launches but the stack does not open. I can open the stack from within the app using the file browser no problem. I have zipped the app and unzipped it thinking that would force the Finder to update, restarted and repaired permissions. No happiness. I've never had trouble with this before . . . Running Mt. Lion and LC 5.02. I'm sure it's something simple, but any suggestions? -- Thanks, Marty Knapp Knappster Solutions LLC --------------------------- From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sat Feb 2 16:55:41 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:55:41 -0500 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys Message-ID: <18A87177-9E9A-4169-A2C5-45CB2FF68D58@mac.com> Does anyone know if there is a way within LiveCode to determine if the Left or Right Shift Key is pressed? or if there is a distinction between the left and right modifier keys - Control Left, Control Right, Alt Left, Alt Right, Command Left, Command RIght. I know this was discussed a long time ago But after searching for a while now I can't find a reference to it. Thanks in advance, Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 2 17:11:59 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:11:59 -0600 Subject: Opening stacks in a standalone In-Reply-To: <510D8704.4030006@gmail.com> References: <510D8704.4030006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <510D8F2F.4070200@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/2/13 3:37 PM, Marty Knapp wrote: > I'm having trouble with opening stacks in a standalone. I have setup a > creator code and file extension. When I make and save a stack from > within the app I first set the stackFileType to my creator code and > "RSTK." If I 2x click the file in the Finder, it launches the program > but does not open the stack. If I drag and drop this stack onto the app, > the app hilites and launches but the stack does not open. I can open the > stack from within the app using the file browser no problem. I have > zipped the app and unzipped it thinking that would force the Finder to > update, restarted and repaired permissions. No happiness. I've never had > trouble with this before . . . Running Mt. Lion and LC 5.02. I'm sure > it's something simple, but any suggestions? > You need an appleEvents handler that actually opens the stack. You've set up the files correctly, but that just tells the Finder to notify your app that a file should be opened. It's up to your app to take action on that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Sat Feb 2 17:14:29 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 14:14:29 -0800 Subject: Arrow Key Selection in Option Menus In-Reply-To: <510D7315.8060701@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4CF73411-1073-4FC0-9E25-8977A5B02F25@videotron.ca> <510D7315.8060701@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <0640F754-F34B-41AA-B8CF-1AB45AC72E4E@pbh.on-rev.com> After some more tests in the LC IDE on Mac and Win7, plus building stand-alones I found a few discrepancies with the selectedLine on Win7, it all seems to work as expected on Mac. Reading the selectedLine does not appear to be reliable with option menus in Win7 stand alone apps if there is no menuPick message sent, however, it does return a value relating to the first menu item, which is not necessarily the value you require, so I still can't find why you are not seeing any value returned, maybe that is a communication issue. Jacque's suggestion works fine, or using the menuPick message of each menu button to store the answer in a field, global variable, custom property or text file should also work. Paul On 2013-02-02, at 12:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/2/13 10:00 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote: > >> I took a look at this on my Mac, and although I seldom use the arrow >> keys, I can select answers in option menus using the arrow keys, and >> I can send them fine. My handler simply loops through the option >> buttons and gathers the answers by taking the value of the selected >> line. Is there something else I should be doing for PC users? > > I'm not sure why it isn't working, but you might try getting the label of the button rather than the selectedline value. No promises. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 2 17:14:47 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:14:47 -0600 Subject: Opening stacks in a standalone In-Reply-To: <510D8704.4030006@gmail.com> References: <510D8704.4030006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <510D8FD7.9000709@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/2/13 3:37 PM, Marty Knapp wrote: > I'm having trouble with opening stacks in a standalone. I have setup a > creator code and file extension. When I make and save a stack from > within the app I first set the stackFileType to my creator code and > "RSTK." One more thing. Finder may not decide your app is the one to notify, since all versions of LiveCode/Rev use RSTK as the file type. It could easily (and probably) notify LiveCode instead if the stack is just double-clicked. A better file type would be one that's unique to your app. File types can be arbitrary, anything you want. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Feb 2 17:18:48 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 14:18:48 -0800 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys In-Reply-To: <18A87177-9E9A-4169-A2C5-45CB2FF68D58@mac.com> References: <18A87177-9E9A-4169-A2C5-45CB2FF68D58@mac.com> Message-ID: <51439210328.20130202141848@ahsoftware.net> Tom- Saturday, February 2, 2013, 1:55:41 PM, you wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a way within LiveCode to determine > if the Left or Right Shift Key is pressed? or if there is a > distinction between the left and right modifier keys - Control Left, > Control Right, Alt Left, Alt Right, Command Left, Command RIght. The rawKeyUp function should tell you the difference. Unless you're trying to determine if *just* that key is pressed. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 2 17:27:12 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:27:12 -0600 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys In-Reply-To: <51439210328.20130202141848@ahsoftware.net> References: <18A87177-9E9A-4169-A2C5-45CB2FF68D58@mac.com> <51439210328.20130202141848@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <510D92C0.2030908@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/2/13 4:18 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Tom- > > Saturday, February 2, 2013, 1:55:41 PM, you wrote: > >> Does anyone know if there is a way within LiveCode to determine >> if the Left or Right Shift Key is pressed? or if there is a >> distinction between the left and right modifier keys - Control Left, >> Control Right, Alt Left, Alt Right, Command Left, Command RIght. > > The rawKeyUp function should tell you the difference. Unless you're > trying to determine if *just* that key is pressed. > I don't think Mac OS distinguishes. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Feb 2 17:33:05 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 14:33:05 -0800 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys In-Reply-To: <510D92C0.2030908@hyperactivesw.com> References: <18A87177-9E9A-4169-A2C5-45CB2FF68D58@mac.com> <51439210328.20130202141848@ahsoftware.net> <510D92C0.2030908@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <751440067000.20130202143305@ahsoftware.net> Jacque- Saturday, February 2, 2013, 2:27:12 PM, you wrote: > I don't think Mac OS distinguishes. Hmmmm. OK. I can't test right at the moment, but I coulda sworn it made a difference. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 2 17:35:46 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:35:46 -0500 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys In-Reply-To: <510D92C0.2030908@hyperactivesw.com> References: <18A87177-9E9A-4169-A2C5-45CB2FF68D58@mac.com> <51439210328.20130202141848@ahsoftware.net> <510D92C0.2030908@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <085CD78B-818D-41EF-AACB-AC5AAB6B3E61@verizon.net> It also doesn't send the event if just the shift key is held down: Cross-platform note: On Mac OS systems, no message is sent when a modifier key (Shift, Option, Control, or Command) is pressed, unless another key is pressed along with the modifier key. Mouse wheels do not send a rawKeyDownmessage on Mac OS systems. On Feb 2, 2013, at 5:27 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > I don't think Mac OS distinguishes. From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 2 17:41:17 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:41:17 -0500 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <67711D77-8042-4897-8674-E74007A89107@sweattechnologies.com> References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> <71FB4037-6FEE-4E82-A5DA-979BDFE69B3B@sweattechnologies.com> <67711D77-8042-4897-8674-E74007A89107@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <414F6B9F-EFF9-4A19-8568-5D799F85E21D@verizon.net> I see Scott Raney has put a message on Facebook, linking to Woz's Kickstarter profile. On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:54 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > He backed it!... I just thanked him on twitter... maybe others should? From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sat Feb 2 17:45:16 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:45:16 -0500 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys In-Reply-To: <085CD78B-818D-41EF-AACB-AC5AAB6B3E61@verizon.net> References: <18A87177-9E9A-4169-A2C5-45CB2FF68D58@mac.com> <51439210328.20130202141848@ahsoftware.net> <510D92C0.2030908@hyperactivesw.com> <085CD78B-818D-41EF-AACB-AC5AAB6B3E61@verizon.net> Message-ID: I was aware of the need for another key to be pressed with certain modifier keys in order for LC to register the event and then I can check if the modifier is held down but that won't tell me if it is the left or right key. I am starting to get the feeling that not being able to tell if it is left or right is also a mac thing along with not sending the message until another key (that is modified by it) is pressed. This will be a tough thing if true. I wonder if there is 'other' software that can do this on a Mac? I remember a Pinball game on the Mac that used the shift keys - Left and Right but that was a long time ago. Still looking for a solution?. Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 2 17:55:11 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:55:11 -0500 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys In-Reply-To: References: <18A87177-9E9A-4169-A2C5-45CB2FF68D58@mac.com> <51439210328.20130202141848@ahsoftware.net> <510D92C0.2030908@hyperactivesw.com> <085CD78B-818D-41EF-AACB-AC5AAB6B3E61@verizon.net> Message-ID: Try this: on idle put the keysdown end idle That will show you that you are pressing the shift key, but it is the same value for both of them From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sat Feb 2 17:59:57 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:59:57 -0500 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys In-Reply-To: References: <18A87177-9E9A-4169-A2C5-45CB2FF68D58@mac.com> <51439210328.20130202141848@ahsoftware.net> <510D92C0.2030908@hyperactivesw.com> <085CD78B-818D-41EF-AACB-AC5AAB6B3E61@verizon.net> Message-ID: <0B4DD383-45B5-4F0D-858B-5764FA0E65AA@mac.com> fKeys, UControl, have been able to distinguish between left and right shift keys. They are non functioning in OSX so I am still researching if it is at all possible. I did find KeyRemap4MacBook and am trying to figure out how it works or if it knows the difference. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 2, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I was aware of the need for another key to be pressed with certain modifier keys in order for LC to register the event and then I can check if the modifier is held down but that won't tell me if it is the left or right key. > > I am starting to get the feeling that not being able to tell if it is left or right is also a mac thing along with not sending the message until another key (that is modified by it) is pressed. > > This will be a tough thing if true. I wonder if there is 'other' software that can do this on a Mac? I remember a Pinball game on the Mac that used the shift keys - Left and Right but that was a long time ago. > > Still looking for a solution?. > > Tom > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat Feb 2 18:17:24 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:17:24 -0800 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys In-Reply-To: <085CD78B-818D-41EF-AACB-AC5AAB6B3E61@verizon.net> Message-ID: A mousewheel click may not be detectable, but scrolling most certainly is. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/2/13 2:35 PM, "Colin Holgate" wrote: >Mouse wheels do not send a rawKeyDownmessage on Mac OS systems. From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 2 18:30:03 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:30:03 -0500 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A37372E-CFD0-45EE-B357-5614C4A6C023@verizon.net> So it seems. 65308 and 65309. On Feb 2, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > A mousewheel click may not be detectable, but scrolling most certainly is. From martyknappster at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 18:40:07 2013 From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:40:07 -0800 Subject: Opening stacks in a standalone In-Reply-To: <510D8FD7.9000709@hyperactivesw.com> References: <510D8704.4030006@gmail.com> <510D8FD7.9000709@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <510DA3D7.9070008@gmail.com> Thank you Jacque - I made my own file type and added the appleEvent code. All is now right with the world! Best regards, Marty Knapp Knappster Solutions LLC --------------------------- > On 2/2/13 3:37 PM, Marty Knapp wrote: >> I'm having trouble with opening stacks in a standalone. I have setup a >> creator code and file extension. When I make and save a stack from >> within the app I first set the stackFileType to my creator code and >> "RSTK." > > One more thing. Finder may not decide your app is the one to notify, > since all versions of LiveCode/Rev use RSTK as the file type. It could > easily (and probably) notify LiveCode instead if the stack is just > double-clicked. A better file type would be one that's unique to your > app. File types can be arbitrary, anything you want. > From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sat Feb 2 18:41:28 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:41:28 -0500 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys In-Reply-To: <5A37372E-CFD0-45EE-B357-5614C4A6C023@verizon.net> References: <5A37372E-CFD0-45EE-B357-5614C4A6C023@verizon.net> Message-ID: <7270F9E3-4F7C-4BB7-9596-10AA6772BF23@mac.com> I also found this list for Mac Keyboards: ESC: 53 F1: 122 F2: 120 F3: 99 F4: 118 F5: 96 F6: 97 F7: 198 F8: 100 F9: 101 F10: 109 F11: 103 F12: 111 `: 50 1: 18 2: 19 3: 20 4: 21 5: 23 6: 22 7: 26 8: 28 9: 25 0: 29 -: 27 =: 24 delete: 51 TAB: 48 q: 12 w: 13 e: 14 r: 15 t: 17 y: 16 u: 32 i: 34 o: 31 p: 35 [: 33 ]: 30 \: 42 CAPSLOCK: 57 a: 0 s: 1 d: 2 f: 3 g: 5 h: 4 j: 38 k: 40 l: 37 ;: 41 ": 39 RETURN: 36 SHIFT: 56 z: 6 x: 7 c: 8 v: 9 b: 11 n: 45 m: 46 ,: 43 .: 47 /: 44 SHIFT: 50 fn: 63 ctrl: 59 alt: 58 cmd: 55 SPACE: 49 cmd: 54 alt: 61 UP: 126 DOWN: 125 LEFT: 123 RIGHT: 124 But the 1K question is how to detect them in LC???? -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 2, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > So it seems. 65308 and 65309. > > > On Feb 2, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> A mousewheel click may not be detectable, but scrolling most certainly is. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Feb 2 19:19:41 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 16:19:41 -0800 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys In-Reply-To: <7270F9E3-4F7C-4BB7-9596-10AA6772BF23@mac.com> References: <5A37372E-CFD0-45EE-B357-5614C4A6C023@verizon.net> <7270F9E3-4F7C-4BB7-9596-10AA6772BF23@mac.com> Message-ID: <491446463828.20130202161941@ahsoftware.net> Thomas- Saturday, February 2, 2013, 3:41:28 PM, you wrote: > I also found this list for Mac Keyboards: > ESC: 53 F1: 122 F2: 120 F3: 99 F4: 118 F5: 96 F6: 97 F7: 198 > F8: 100 F9: 101 F10: 109 F11: 103 F12: 111 > `: 50 1: 18 2: 19 3: 20 4: 21 5: 23 6: 22 7: 26 > 8: 28 9: 25 0: 29 -: 27 =: 24 delete: 51 > TAB: 48 q: 12 w: 13 e: 14 r: 15 t: 17 y: 16 u: 32 > i: 34 o: 31 p: 35 [: 33 ]: 30 \: 42 > CAPSLOCK: 57 a: 0 s: 1 d: 2 f: 3 g: 5 h: 4 > j: 38 k: 40 l: 37 ;: 41 ": 39 RETURN: 36 > SHIFT: 56 z: 6 x: 7 c: 8 v: 9 b: 11 > n: 45 m: 46 ,: 43 .: 47 /: 44 SHIFT: 50 > fn: 63 ctrl: 59 alt: 58 cmd: 55 SPACE: 49 > cmd: 54 alt: 61 UP: 126 DOWN: 125 LEFT: 123 RIGHT: 124 > But the 1K question is how to detect them in LC???? I don't that that's going to be possible. Those look like keyboard scan codes, and that's at the hardware level, below the OS. I think you're gonna have to get down and dirty writing your own keyboard scan driver if you want them. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From bvg at mac.com Sat Feb 2 19:19:42 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 01:19:42 +0100 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys In-Reply-To: <5A37372E-CFD0-45EE-B357-5614C4A6C023@verizon.net> References: <5A37372E-CFD0-45EE-B357-5614C4A6C023@verizon.net> Message-ID: mousewheel click is mouse(3) On 03.02.2013, at 00:30, Colin Holgate wrote: > So it seems. 65308 and 65309. > > > On Feb 2, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> A mousewheel click may not be detectable, but scrolling most certainly is. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Feb 2 19:22:50 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:22:50 -0800 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys In-Reply-To: <491446463828.20130202161941@ahsoftware.net> References: <491446463828.20130202161941@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <510DADDA.3030703@fourthworld.com> Mark Wieder wrote: >> But the 1K question is how to detect them in LC???? > > I don't that that's going to be possible. Those look like keyboard > scan codes, and that's at the hardware level, below the OS. I think > you're gonna have to get down and dirty writing your own keyboard scan > driver if you want them. Wouldn't each of those be available to us (perhaps under a different identifier) from rawKeyDown and/or the modifier key messages? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Sat Feb 2 19:25:11 2013 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:25:11 -0500 Subject: Arrow Key Selection in Option Menus Message-ID: <2AE65360-E97A-475C-8C99-7905BE7D95C7@videotron.ca> Hello Paul, Jacqueline, and Peter, Thank you for responding to my question on arrow-key selection of option menu items. It was generous of you to go out of your way to test things on a Windows box. Recently, I built in a check that warns students of the number of blanks, if any, they are submitting. I will tinker with your suggestions to use a menuPick message or grab the label of the menu rather than the selectedLine. Let you know what I find. Thanks once again, Gregory From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat Feb 2 19:26:06 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:26:06 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Possible NorCal Users Group/LiveCode Intro Meetup Message-ID: Are any of you LiveCode developers located in Northern California? Would you be interested in attending a LiveCode meetup in the hub of Silicon Valley? Over the last several months, I've had discussions with a Google colleague of mine about the possibility of having Google host a LiveCode meetup. Google often hosts outside events/activities, and while my friend was willing to help facilitate an event, he was unable to find the proper channels. Yesterday, some new info came to light, and we may be able to arrange such an event. My original hope was simply to arrange a central location for a user group meeting. But with RunRev's recent open source goal announcement, it occurred to me that this could also be an opportunity to provide a LiveCode introduction for folks who want more info, from developers who actually use the platform. Google's Mountain View campus is centrally located in California's Silicon Valley, so it's a prime location for such an event. What I would like to find out is: 1) If a meetup/event becomes possible, how many folks here would be interested in attending within the next 2 weeks; and 2) if you are interested, would you be up for doing a short presentation on something you've built in LiveCode and/or how you use the platform? (The latter is definitely not a requirement.) Nor is being in Northern California a requirement -- any folks wishing to participate from outside the area (such as the SoCal user group, or anywhere else) would be welcome. If you are interested in this happening and are available within the next 2 weeks, please respond here or off list to me. I'd like to try to get a head count to provide to my friend in case Google wants some sense of bodies to accommodate. Even if you cannot make it within the next 2 weeks, please feel free to respond as we don't yet have any official approval, but may be able to arrange a later date. In my experience, outside events always take place in the evening after work, so take that into consideration. I should say again, nothing has been approved yet, but there is reason to be hopeful. Best case: we have a nice little informative event that perhaps gets outside people onboard with LiveCode. Worst case: we get a room of 5 LiveCoders chatting about arrays. :-) Thanks in advance for your responses. Let's see if we can make this happen. Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Feb 2 19:28:27 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 16:28:27 -0800 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys In-Reply-To: <510DADDA.3030703@fourthworld.com> References: <491446463828.20130202161941@ahsoftware.net> <510DADDA.3030703@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <661446989656.20130202162827@ahsoftware.net> Richard- Saturday, February 2, 2013, 4:22:50 PM, you wrote: > Wouldn't each of those be available to us (perhaps under a different > identifier) from rawKeyDown and/or the modifier key messages? No, the rawKeyDown codes are different from the hardware scan codes. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Feb 2 19:32:50 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:32:50 -0800 Subject: Left and Right Shift Keys or Modifier Keys In-Reply-To: <661446989656.20130202162827@ahsoftware.net> References: <661446989656.20130202162827@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <510DB032.1080808@fourthworld.com> Mark Wieder wrote: > Saturday, February 2, 2013, 4:22:50 PM, Richard wrote: > >> Wouldn't each of those be available to us (perhaps under a different >> identifier) from rawKeyDown and/or the modifier key messages? > > No, the rawKeyDown codes are different from the hardware scan codes. Yes, that's what I' was referring to with "under a different identifier". Maybe I missed something earlier - is there a reason that specific hardware info needs to be known to the app, or is it just to know what to respond to in order to support a specific user-driven action? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Feb 2 19:36:48 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:36:48 -0800 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz Message-ID: <510DB120.5020706@fourthworld.com> Without looking in the Dictionary, what would you expect the value of tResult to be after successful execution of: open file tValidFilePath for read read from file tValidFilePath until EOF put the result into tResult close file tValidFilePath -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From pete at lcsql.com Sat Feb 2 19:37:48 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 16:37:48 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Possible NorCal Users Group/LiveCode Intro Meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Scott, Count me in - I'm in Santa Cruz. Unfortunately, I'm leaving on Feb 8th for a month's vacation in New Zealand so won't be able to attend the initial meeting, but I would definitly be interested in attending any future meetings. Pete lcSQL Software On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Are any of you LiveCode developers located in Northern California? > > Would you be interested in attending a LiveCode meetup in the hub of > Silicon > Valley? > > Over the last several months, I've had discussions with a Google colleague > of mine about the possibility of having Google host a LiveCode meetup. > Google often hosts outside events/activities, and while my friend was > willing to help facilitate an event, he was unable to find the proper > channels. Yesterday, some new info came to light, and we may be able to > arrange such an event. > > My original hope was simply to arrange a central location for a user group > meeting. But with RunRev's recent open source goal announcement, it > occurred to me that this could also be an opportunity to provide a LiveCode > introduction for folks who want more info, from developers who actually use > the platform. Google's Mountain View campus is centrally located in > California's Silicon Valley, so it's a prime location for such an event. > > What I would like to find out is: 1) If a meetup/event becomes possible, > how > many folks here would be interested in attending within the next 2 weeks; > and 2) if you are interested, would you be up for doing a short > presentation > on something you've built in LiveCode and/or how you use the platform? > (The > latter is definitely not a requirement.) > > Nor is being in Northern California a requirement -- any folks wishing to > participate from outside the area (such as the SoCal user group, or > anywhere > else) would be welcome. > > If you are interested in this happening and are available within the next 2 > weeks, please respond here or off list to me. I'd like to try to get a > head > count to provide to my friend in case Google wants some sense of bodies to > accommodate. Even if you cannot make it within the next 2 weeks, please > feel > free to respond as we don't yet have any official approval, but may be able > to arrange a later date. In my experience, outside events always take > place > in the evening after work, so take that into consideration. > > I should say again, nothing has been approved yet, but there is reason to > be > hopeful. Best case: we have a nice little informative event that perhaps > gets outside people onboard with LiveCode. Worst case: we get a room of 5 > LiveCoders chatting about arrays. :-) > > Thanks in advance for your responses. Let's see if we can make this > happen. > > Best Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sat Feb 2 19:38:03 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 11:38:03 +1100 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <510DB120.5020706@fourthworld.com> References: <510DB120.5020706@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <49EBBC9D-1BED-4142-BE5F-9747422F125B@sweattechnologies.com> empty? On 03/02/2013, at 11:36 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Without looking in the Dictionary, what would you expect the value of tResult to be after successful execution of: > > open file tValidFilePath for read > read from file tValidFilePath until EOF > put the result into tResult > close file tValidFilePath > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sat Feb 2 19:39:58 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 11:39:58 +1100 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <49EBBC9D-1BED-4142-BE5F-9747422F125B@sweattechnologies.com> References: <510DB120.5020706@fourthworld.com> <49EBBC9D-1BED-4142-BE5F-9747422F125B@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <70AE136B-6E86-4752-BE5D-F196D04EA6FA@sweattechnologies.com> :-( On 03/02/2013, at 11:38 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > empty? > > On 03/02/2013, at 11:36 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> Without looking in the Dictionary, what would you expect the value of tResult to be after successful execution of: >> >> open file tValidFilePath for read >> read from file tValidFilePath until EOF >> put the result into tResult >> close file tValidFilePath >> >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World >> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com >> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From jhj at jhj.com Sat Feb 2 19:41:02 2013 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 16:41:02 -0800 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <49EBBC9D-1BED-4142-BE5F-9747422F125B@sweattechnologies.com> References: <510DB120.5020706@fourthworld.com> <49EBBC9D-1BED-4142-BE5F-9747422F125B@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Me too. empty? .Jerry On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > empty? > > On 03/02/2013, at 11:36 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> Without looking in the Dictionary, what would you expect the value of tResult to be after successful execution of: >> >> open file tValidFilePath for read >> read from file tValidFilePath until EOF >> put the result into tResult >> close file tValidFilePath >> >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World >> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com >> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jhj at jhj.com Sat Feb 2 19:45:10 2013 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 16:45:10 -0800 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <70AE136B-6E86-4752-BE5D-F196D04EA6FA@sweattechnologies.com> References: <510DB120.5020706@fourthworld.com> <49EBBC9D-1BED-4142-BE5F-9747422F125B@sweattechnologies.com> <70AE136B-6E86-4752-BE5D-F196D04EA6FA@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <0D360F60-4071-499F-8E71-21FBF6993B56@jhj.com> Me too. ;-( On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > :-( > > On 03/02/2013, at 11:38 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> empty? >> >> On 03/02/2013, at 11:36 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >>> Without looking in the Dictionary, what would you expect the value of tResult to be after successful execution of: >>> >>> open file tValidFilePath for read >>> read from file tValidFilePath until EOF >>> put the result into tResult >>> close file tValidFilePath >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Gaskin >>> Fourth World >>> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >>> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com >>> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> -- >> Monte Goulding >> >> M E R Goulding - software development services >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Feb 2 20:05:36 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 17:05:36 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Possible NorCal Users Group/LiveCode Intro Meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <771449218609.20130202170536@ahsoftware.net> Scott- Yo. I'll be there. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Feb 2 20:17:41 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 17:17:41 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Possible NorCal Users Group/LiveCode Intro Meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <721449943375.20130202171741@ahsoftware.net> Pete- Saturday, February 2, 2013, 4:37:48 PM, you wrote: > Scott, > Count me in - I'm in Santa Cruz. Unfortunately, I'm leaving on Feb 8th for > a month's vacation in New Zealand so won't be able to attend the initial > meeting, but I would definitly be interested in attending any future > meetings. Dude... it's less than a day's commute from NZ... and you'll probably get three movies on the flight. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 20:19:16 2013 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:19:16 -0400 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode Message-ID: Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > OK, open source is the cure for cancer... > So I spend months, which become years implementing, say, a decent > math library for Livecode.... > Who pays the rent????? Richard Gaskin repplied: > Alternative answer: > You may not need to write the library at all, but instead find that > someone else has already written it for you. Just like jonesLib.mc? http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/personal/djones/metacard/joneslib.mc Notice that you could read the code of this stack in the browser... :-O Alejandro From mikekann at yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 20:59:04 2013 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 17:59:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Substitute "LiveCode" for "Scratch" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1359856744.79537.YahooMailClassic@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> http://www.ted.com/talks/mitch_resnick_let_s_teach_kids_to_code.html From pete at lcsql.com Sat Feb 2 21:06:00 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 18:06:00 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Possible NorCal Users Group/LiveCode Intro Meetup In-Reply-To: <721449943375.20130202171741@ahsoftware.net> References: <721449943375.20130202171741@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: It might be less than a day but it's a world apart :-) Pete lcSQL Software On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Pete- > > Saturday, February 2, 2013, 4:37:48 PM, you wrote: > > > Scott, > > Count me in - I'm in Santa Cruz. Unfortunately, I'm leaving on Feb 8th > for > > a month's vacation in New Zealand so won't be able to attend the initial > > meeting, but I would definitly be interested in attending any future > > meetings. > > Dude... it's less than a day's commute from NZ... and you'll probably > get three movies on the flight. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat Feb 2 21:09:57 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 03:09:57 +0100 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <510DB120.5020706@fourthworld.com> References: <510DB120.5020706@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <510DC6F5.6090408@economy-x-talk.com> EOF -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. On 2/3/2013 01:36, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Without looking in the Dictionary, what would you expect the value of > tResult to be after successful execution of: > > open file tValidFilePath for read > read from file tValidFilePath until EOF > put the result into tResult > close file tValidFilePath From kee at kagi.com Sat Feb 2 22:19:08 2013 From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:19:08 -0800 Subject: Apple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4310477F-F737-4A42-8416-2E2F95E5EECC@kagi.com> Java apps work just fine. For example Minecraft works. Java in the browser has been blocked. Web sites that load java code onto your machine have been halted from running. Kee From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 2 23:07:09 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 23:07:09 -0500 Subject: about Kickstarter on Japanese SourceForge site Message-ID: http://www.surf-hier.com/browse.php?u=Oi8vc291cmNlZm9yZ2UuanAvbWFnYXppbmUvMTMvMDIvMDEvMDc0MzIwOQ%3D%3D&b=13 From slylabs13 at me.com Sat Feb 2 23:35:34 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:35:34 -0800 Subject: ho lee kow In-Reply-To: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> References: <2357353B-60D0-4C82-8FB1-2B45F5359774@verizon.net> Message-ID: I had to read that a couple of times to realize you did NOT mean that Bill Atkinson was his wife. :-) Bob On Feb 1, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Also, in replying to me he cc'd his wife, Bill Atkinson... From slylabs13 at me.com Sat Feb 2 23:51:38 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:51:38 -0800 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: It may help to not think of them as "backgrounds" anymore. They are shared groups. Any card can use any of the shared groups. This is really a vastly superior way of managing things, especially since the whole card = record moniker doesn't really work well in Livecode. Cards are really like forms now, into which you load your data, which is how dynamic web content works. The leap from Pascal to Hypercard was MUCH greater than from Hypercard to Revolution/Livecode. I don't find it that onerous, or I don't anymore once I gave up trying to do everything like I used to in Hypercard. Those on the list like Jacque can tell you I struggled a bit when I started, especially with databases. Once you get your hands dirty, it all falls into place though. Bob On Feb 1, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > 2. Though I certainly appreciated the multi-platform aspects and a few other "tweaks"; I was flabbergasted to discover that RunRev had mangled the H/C framework by eliminating the Background layer in stacks, providing a very clumsy alternative method, so that the millions who could be adopting it from H/C would have to re-implement most of their legacy stacks. It just wasn't the same Object Hierarchy any more. I tried to be upbeat with the articles I wrote on MacInstruct about Revolution, but Revolution just wasn't a better H/C. What RunRev did later in transitioning to LiveCode is a totally different issue. The damage had already been done. From slylabs13 at me.com Sat Feb 2 23:54:03 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:54:03 -0800 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <72239241-F497-4E98-8539-92D8282AD7F7@verizon.net> References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> <510C77C2.7070505@hyperactivesw.com> <72239241-F497-4E98-8539-92D8282AD7F7@verizon.net> Message-ID: <58EC7F28-C711-422E-8274-AD7AD96E34CC@me.com> Object/group/card. Bob On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > In terms of hierarchy, where does that group fall? Like, if a card script does a pass, does it go to the groups on the card? > > > On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:19 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > >> To reproduce HC backgrounds, just make a group, set its backgroundBehavior to true, and it's layer to 1. That's it. It will work like HC did. Limit yourself to a single background on a card and you have the old paradigm. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Sat Feb 2 23:56:08 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:56:08 -0800 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <510C80B9.8080901@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> <510C77C2.7070505@hyperactivesw.com> <72239241-F497-4E98-8539-92D8282AD7F7@verizon.net> <510C80B9.8080901@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <604C66A6-C3F4-4775-AE99-D57095D76AA8@me.com> That I did NOT know. So object, card, group object belongs to?? That doesn't make a helluvalotta sense to me. Bob On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/1/13 8:29 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: >> In terms of hierarchy, where does that group fall? Like, if a card >> script does a pass, does it go to the groups on the card? > > Background groups receive messages after the card does, so passing a message on the card will send it to the background group. If Joe maintains the HC paradigm of a single background group then it works like HC did. > > If more than one background group exists, then they each receive the message in their layer order after the card gets it, provided one of the backgrounds doesn't trap and stop the message. > > Card groups get messages before the card gets them. > > If you have a mix of card and bg groups, the card groups get the first shot at the message, then the card gets it, then the background groups get it. > >> >> >> On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:19 PM, "J. Landman Gay" >> wrote: >> >>> To reproduce HC backgrounds, just make a group, set its >>> backgroundBehavior to true, and it's layer to 1. That's it. It will >>> work like HC did. Limit yourself to a single background on a card >>> and you have the old paradigm. > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Sun Feb 3 00:04:00 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:04:00 -0800 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <510C80B9.8080901@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> <510C77C2.7070505@hyperactivesw.com> <72239241-F497-4E98-8539-92D8282AD7F7@verizon.net> <510C80B9.8080901@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <0573B6C9-88DE-4F38-9F41-E6EBAB3B8D98@me.com> Okay I tested this. I put a simple handler in each object, the button, the group the button belonged to and the card. In each handler I passed the message. All the handler does is pop an answer dialog saying which object got the message. I set the group's background behavior to true. First the button got the message, then the GROUP got the message, then the CARD got the message. So maybe I am misunderstanding what Jacque is saying here. Bob On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Background groups receive messages after the card does, so passing a message on the card will send it to the background group. If Joe maintains the HC paradigm of a single background group then it works like HC did. From slylabs13 at me.com Sun Feb 3 00:11:42 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:11:42 -0800 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <510C80B9.8080901@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> <510C77C2.7070505@hyperactivesw.com> <72239241-F497-4E98-8539-92D8282AD7F7@verizon.net> <510C80B9.8080901@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <6B44B293-C38C-4067-AEEC-6E64153B9E99@me.com> Ok now I see. If the button is NOT a part of the group, the card gets the message first, THEN any background group. I have to say though that is an odd duck. Also, my example is causing LC to lock up after two or three times, and then attempting to select something. I'm not even going to try and find out why. Bob On Feb 1, 2013, at 6:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Background groups receive messages after the card does, so passing a message on the card will send it to the background group. If Joe maintains the HC paradigm of a single background group then it works like HC did. From slylabs13 at me.com Sun Feb 3 00:12:51 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:12:51 -0800 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <94D78CE7-D2BB-48B3-BE11-87D5A9EBD645@amglighthouse.co.za> References: <94D78CE7-D2BB-48B3-BE11-87D5A9EBD645@amglighthouse.co.za> Message-ID: <09101285-96FB-43B1-9781-4873D755699C@me.com> Is this some kind of video game you are working on? Can I beta test it? ;-) Bob On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:24 PM, Nigel Soden wrote: > Hi Joe > So we've gone to the moon and back and are dreaming up scenarios that require us to alter the inevitable courses of meteors to save a planet whose inhabitants don't see that it is being destroyed by their collective stupidity. I want to stop and smell the roses for a while; or do something that is truly productive; like suing the entire government for violating their oaths of offices and enslaving an entire nation to pay for and protect the whimsies of the 1%. After a while we SHOULD get p***ed-off at all change under the guise of progress and the need to survive. Do any of us deserve to survive? Frankly, I was hoping we we're going to have to revert to bows and arrows. That's my 99? worth. > Boy! Can I relate with that. > > But, I'm a fairly new-bee to LC and to date I must say that I look forward to coming home after working in C# .Net (F...$%^&* usless. s....) and working on some projects for my son. The difference between the two is that I know one works while the other pretends to work. :) > > Nigel Soden From slylabs13 at me.com Sun Feb 3 00:17:07 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:17:07 -0800 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <510D4F80.2020400@fourthworld.com> References: <510D4F80.2020400@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: This is actually a fairly good point. What most companies want to avoid is having to marry their developer. If only one or two people at a company knows how to develop in Livecode, and the company decides they are not working in the best interests of the company and want to get rid of them, this poses a major problem. It's why so many companies have adopted Microsoft for their networking architecture. Bob On Feb 2, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > 4. It's not main stream and therefore were are they going to find > > developers. From slylabs13 at me.com Sun Feb 3 00:19:06 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:19:06 -0800 Subject: A Personal Letter from Our CEO In-Reply-To: References: <1678846152.4331131359738847093.JavaMail.root@moldenhauer.iad01.hubspot-networks.net> <836B783D-3C38-467E-BFB3-A5FEBB091FAE@mac.com> <510C058F.2060308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F02DA78-9EEE-4F48-B2AB-DA576501BC50@me.com> And I have never been able to trust another man who wants to run a sharp piece of metal over MY throat... and get paid for it! Bob On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Richmond wrote: >> but the only thing that has really ever worried me about Kevin Miller is >> that he has always been shaved to the lips. > > I've never trusted the judgment of a man that will run a sharp piece > of metal over his throat every morning before he fully wakes up . . . > > > -- > Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Sun Feb 3 00:19:58 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:19:58 -0800 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <510DB120.5020706@fourthworld.com> References: <510DB120.5020706@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <51522723-59DB-4F0B-9E3D-AC0DCB7F080C@me.com> empty On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Without looking in the Dictionary, what would you expect the value of tResult to be after successful execution of: > > open file tValidFilePath for read > read from file tValidFilePath until EOF > put the result into tResult > close file tValidFilePath > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Sun Feb 3 00:21:03 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:21:03 -0800 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <510DB120.5020706@fourthworld.com> References: <510DB120.5020706@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <46132ACA-881B-488F-B442-96FEBBAF53FE@me.com> Wait... the number of characters read? On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Without looking in the Dictionary, what would you expect the value of tResult to be after successful execution of: > > open file tValidFilePath for read > read from file tValidFilePath until EOF > put the result into tResult > close file tValidFilePath From dochawk at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 00:26:00 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 21:26:00 -0800 Subject: A Personal Letter from Our CEO In-Reply-To: <4F02DA78-9EEE-4F48-B2AB-DA576501BC50@me.com> References: <1678846152.4331131359738847093.JavaMail.root@moldenhauer.iad01.hubspot-networks.net> <836B783D-3C38-467E-BFB3-A5FEBB091FAE@mac.com> <510C058F.2060308@gmail.com> <4F02DA78-9EEE-4F48-B2AB-DA576501BC50@me.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > And I have never been able to trust another man who wants to run a >sharp piece of metal over MY throat... and get paid for it! Well, there's poor judgment, and then there's just plain stupid :) -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From slylabs13 at me.com Sun Feb 3 00:26:29 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:26:29 -0800 Subject: Arrow Key Selection in Option Menus In-Reply-To: References: <4CF73411-1073-4FC0-9E25-8977A5B02F25@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <6D1E7199-3DA5-4928-A0A6-E91D35EAF1F2@me.com> I would have said that a tool is used to make a product, while a product is produced using a tool. I don't get the proper use and prevention of use thingummy. Bob On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: >> One of the biggest challenges I find in developing is thinking of all the ways things could go wrong, or what users may do differently than expected that will affect the data, and then covering all those options. > > Absolutely. Someone on this list (Richard Gaskin?) once observed that the difference between a tool and a product is that a tool only has to be able to be used properly, and a product must be unable to be used improperly. Unfortunately too much software gets released without the "give it to users to see if they can break it" testing. > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 3 00:28:34 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2013 23:28:34 -0600 Subject: LC MISTAKES In-Reply-To: <6B44B293-C38C-4067-AEEC-6E64153B9E99@me.com> References: <1151343949296.20130201115107@ahsoftware.net> <510C77C2.7070505@hyperactivesw.com> <72239241-F497-4E98-8539-92D8282AD7F7@verizon.net> <510C80B9.8080901@hyperactivesw.com> <6B44B293-C38C-4067-AEEC-6E64153B9E99@me.com> Message-ID: <510DF582.3020005@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/2/13 11:11 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > Ok now I see. If the button is NOT a part of the group, the card gets > the message first, THEN any background group. I have to say though > that is an odd duck. It provides HC compatibility, with some differences. Since HC didn't have "groups" per se, we didn't have to worry about where the messages went after they hit the background. They just went right to the stack. LiveCode can have several groups, installed at different levels, so the path becomes more complex. Objects will always pass their messages to their owners. If they are in a group, then the group gets the message regardless of its level (and if that group is in another group, then the enclosing group gets the message next.) It gets snarly after that, depending on the setting of backgroundbehavior. > Also, my example is causing LC to lock up after > two or three times, and then attempting to select something. I'm not > even going to try and find out why. Probably something in the IDE. It intercepts every message and user action. Suspending it might work. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From alp at uilab.com Sun Feb 3 01:14:45 2013 From: alp at uilab.com (Alp Tiritoglu) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:14:45 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Possible NorCal Users Group/LiveCode Intro Meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8161A3C7-298C-404D-81F5-9F6DFF96B53E@uilab.com> I am in. -alp On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Are any of you LiveCode developers located in Northern California? > > Would you be interested in attending a LiveCode meetup in the hub of Silicon Valley? > > Over the last several months, I've had discussions with a Google colleague of mine about the possibility of having Google host a LiveCode meetup. Google often hosts outside events/activities, and while my friend was willing to help facilitate an event, he was unable to find the proper channels. Yesterday, some new info came to light, and we may be able to arrange such an event. > > My original hope was simply to arrange a central location for a user group meeting. But with RunRev's recent open source goal announcement, it occurred to me that this could also be an opportunity to provide a LiveCode introduction for folks who want more info, from developers who actually use the platform. Google's Mountain View campus is centrally located in California's Silicon Valley, so it's a prime location for such an event. > > What I would like to find out is: 1) If a meetup/event becomes possible, how many folks here would be interested in attending within the next 2 weeks; and 2) if you are interested, would you be up for doing a short presentation on something you've built in LiveCode and/or how you use the platform? (The latter is definitely not a requirement.) > > Nor is being in Northern California a requirement -- any folks wishing to participate from outside the area (such as the SoCal user group, or anywhere else) would be welcome. > > If you are interested in this happening and are available within the next 2 weeks, please respond here or off list to me. I'd like to try to get a head count to provide to my friend in case Google wants some sense of bodies to accommodate. Even if you cannot make it within the next 2 weeks, please feel free to respond as we don't yet have any official approval, but may be able to arrange a later date. In my experience, outside events always take place in the evening after work, so take that into consideration. > > I should say again, nothing has been approved yet, but there is reason to be hopeful. Best case: we have a nice little informative event that perhaps gets outside people onboard with LiveCode. Worst case: we get a room of 5 LiveCoders chatting about arrays. :-) > > Thanks in advance for your responses. Let's see if we can make this happen. > > Best Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > _______________________________________________ > livecode-dev mailing list > livecode-dev at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/livecode-dev From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 02:49:07 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 09:49:07 +0200 Subject: Java, Apple and Pork Pies. Message-ID: <510E1673.2010006@gmail.com> Really? I am going to stop believing in Apple as of now. Apple Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 12 http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/33087/apple-java-for-mac-os-x-10.6 somebody somewhere is telling "porkies" to ratchet up interest or their share values methinks. Richmond. From andre at andregarzia.com Sun Feb 3 03:32:00 2013 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 06:32:00 -0200 Subject: [OT] Just won 3rd place on a Firefox OS App contest in Brazil. Message-ID: Hey Folks, I am at a conference with eight thousand people camping on a tech venue with 30GB connection. We had a contest for mobile app creation for Firefox OS and I won 3rd place :-D Now, back to the normal programming where I code LiveCode and help with the kickstarter Cheers andre -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Feb 3 03:42:36 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 19:42:36 +1100 Subject: [OT] Just won 3rd place on a Firefox OS App contest in Brazil. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well done Andre! -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 03/02/2013, at 7:32 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > I am at a conference with eight thousand people camping on a tech venue > with 30GB connection. We had a contest for mobile app creation for Firefox > OS and I won 3rd place :-D From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 03:46:23 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 10:46:23 +0200 Subject: [OT] Just won 3rd place on a Firefox OS App contest in Brazil. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <510E23DF.7060604@gmail.com> On 03/02/13 10:32, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hey Folks, > > I am at a conference with eight thousand people camping on a tech venue > with 30GB connection. We had a contest for mobile app creation for Firefox > OS and I won 3rd place :-D > > Now, back to the normal programming where I code LiveCode and help with the > kickstarter > > Cheers > andre > Bravo, that man! From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Feb 3 04:42:40 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 01:42:40 -0800 Subject: [OT] Just won 3rd place on a Firefox OS App contest in Brazil. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Fantastic Andre. What does your app do? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/3/13 12:32 AM, "Andre Garzia" wrote: >Hey Folks, > >I am at a conference with eight thousand people camping on a tech venue >with 30GB connection. We had a contest for mobile app creation for Firefox >OS and I won 3rd place :-D > >Now, back to the normal programming where I code LiveCode and help with >the >kickstarter > >Cheers >andre > >-- >http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. >http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Sun Feb 3 05:14:42 2013 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:14:42 +0000 Subject: # 8 on Kicktraq! In-Reply-To: References: <4D382F57-2755-43A7-B085-45EF98E22518@sweattechnologies.com> <1347CB44-744A-4313-BDC9-80B2EC56930A@gmail.com> <8AC889C0-13A9-45BA-9E4A-1F45686D45EB@sweattechnologies.com> <6ACFB140-CBCC-40B9-9960-6F7F2AEE804E@verizon.net> <631125783390.20130129231501@ahsoftware.net> <85965A76-F990-48D1-AA85-06B8EFB170A6@verizon.net> <538BAA59-1C27-4335-8816-8CAA6F0934AC@sweattechnologies.com> <510C27F1.2050905@cogapp.com> Message-ID: Kevin - my take on the KickStarter marketing is that it is squarely targeted at the HyperCard, and perhaps more traditional educational markets. I think this is strong - and there is still a good deal of mileage to get with this group. The big "problem" with that aspect of the pitch is the perception of a good chunk of the audience with "projects like Scratch are free and do this". Still I think teaming up with the "make programming easier and teach it in schools" movement is a strong one. I'd emphasise new markets though - the recent TED talk on making education easier, and groups in the UK ( www.rewiredstate.org) and other countries in the free and online education markets - Kahn academy etc My instinct would be that the KickStarter energy is more pronounced in these more evangelical education movements than the softer educational pitch that is up there at the moment. More important, in my opinion, is the lack of appeal to the open source community, and the nature of the prizes. The current pitch is not appealing to existing projects that would like to combine LiveCode with their projects, or see some advantage in utilising the source code. For these groups there needs to be rewards and incentives more directly software related - training on specific high value features - say 10 people learning to hack the "open language module" - or 20 people learning how to set up cross platform compiling, or 200 people given a free place on porting code to the Raspberry Pi. Specific pitches, worth money to people, and targetted at existing open source communities. I feel these pitches could be made in tandem with teaming up with the open educational movement.... My 2 cents On 1 February 2013 22:34, Kevin Miller wrote: > This is good analysis. Our existing community is quite a bit bigger so > plenty more to be convinced there. But you're right we need to reach a > broader community. Millions remember HyperCard which is our strongest card > (pardon the pun). > > Question: how good do you think the video really is for those outside the > community? We were very pleased with it when we launched it but I wonder if > we are a little close to it and there is more we could do to make it > connect better? Would be great to get some more objective feedback. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 1 Feb 2013, at 20:39, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > > > On 31/01/2013 19:33, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> Dropping back and the funding is coming in too slow. > >> > >> If you multiply yesterday's pledges by 29 and add the 32002 from the > first day then we are looking at 282,446. Kicktraq still says we are > trending above target but it won't in a few days if we don't pick things up. > > > > Yep. Overall, Kickstarter analysis (see Michael Wolf) is that 20%-30% > is the tipping point - most projects that fail, fail with less than 20% of > their goal; almost all that get past about 30%, succeed. > > > > But I'm not sure that analysis, or Kicktraq's trends and projections, > really apply or help here, because of our unusual situation: there's a > certain community that already knows and loves LiveCode, most can be > convinced that this would be a good thing, and a certain proportion are > prepared to donate to help it happen - and almost all the members of that > community are easily reached, and probably already have been. > > > > So that first heady rush that took it to 10% wasn't really indicative of > the same kind of progress as it would if made by some random new bright > idea from some new bunch of bright people that hardly anyone's heard of - > ie the typical at least tech Kickstarter project. Rather, that represented > the easy bit - tapping the existing community. I'm not saying that's over > - many people are still thinking about it, or still to be convinced, who > may yet decide to contribute; and some people who have contributed, may be > prepared to contribute more. I'll expect more emails from Kevin like the > one today at regularly intervals over the next month. But I'd guess a > large proportion of the funding that's available from the community has > been tapped. > > > > So now the hard part starts - the remaining 88% or whatever has to be > beaten out of the people who've mostly never heard of LiveCode (although > some of them have at least heard of HyperCard, and they should be the next > softest target). In many ways the situation more closely resembles > starting from zero to raise ?305K, than it does being 12% of the way > towards ?350K. > > > > So fun though all the Kicktraq graphs, and stacks that go ping* are: > what we really need to do be doing is not watching the meter, but getting > out on the street and shouting the news. If you have a following, shouting > it to them; and if you know someone with a bigger following, persuading > that person to shout it to their following. > > > > How I wish I had a following. > > > > Ben > > > > *although, if the stack that went ping was easily distributable as an > example of the power of the language... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From scott at elementarysoftware.com Sun Feb 3 05:31:52 2013 From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 02:31:52 -0800 Subject: [OT] Just won 3rd place on a Firefox OS App contest in Brazil. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Outstanding! Thanks for letting us know. What does it do? Screen shots? -- Scott Morrow On Feb 3, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hey Folks, > > I am at a conference with eight thousand people camping on a tech venue > with 30GB connection. We had a contest for mobile app creation for Firefox > OS and I won 3rd place :-D > > Now, back to the normal programming where I code LiveCode and help with the > kickstarter > > Cheers > andre > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. > http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sun Feb 3 05:38:51 2013 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 02:38:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <510C0F3D.60707@fourthworld.com> References: <510C0F3D.60707@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1359887931381-4660143.post@n4.nabble.com> Richard is quite right and has given a series of very clear explanations of how open source, and particularly dual licensing, works. This is a very promising decision. Its not risk free of course, nothing in business is, but it has the potential to make the pie a lot bigger, and bigger enough that even a smaller share of it is much bigger than what Rev has now. It also has the potential to remove the Hypercard danger - that of being stuck in an orphaned product. If its open sourced that can never happen. As Hypercard showed, its a risk that is sometimes more than theoretical. Just the removal of that risk will widen the appeal of LiveCode in many important environments and help enlarge the pie. Yes, it has risks, and as Richard pointed out earlier, one of the risks is forking. But as he also says, in practice, while anyone can fork an open sourced product, they mostly only do so under serious duress and dissatisfaction. The most notable recent cases where this has happened are the Libre Office/Open Office case. Before that there was the xfree86/xorg case. In both cases people were really upset by the behavior of the official developer. But this is not going to happen if Rev behaves reasonably, and they have always been reasonable and pragmatic up to now, so why should that change? Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Trying-to-make-economic-sense-of-open-sourcing-livecode-tp4659922p4660143.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Sun Feb 3 05:49:50 2013 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:49:50 +0000 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <510C1FED.3030603@hyperactivesw.com> References: <510C0F3D.60707@fourthworld.com> <510C1FED.3030603@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Yes - this is a strange one! Warning - those of you that dislike lawyers skip this email :) "Apple won't accept any GPL apps" - the obvious thought is that it's those crafty closed box Apple people again... where in fact it seems that Apple are not enforcing anything - it's the open source people who are complaining, filing orders to get apps pulled. And it is not really directly to do with the code not being open - but a side effect of some of the terms of the app store restricting distribution to 5 computers etc In loosely speaking there is a bit of a clash in legal contracts - a sort of side effect that is actually not in anyone's particular interest. Except of course RunRev :) That is I think it best to view this as a case where RunRev commercial licenses make it easier for us to get things done, it is a "service" they provide (and will continue to provide) that allows us to get around a lot of these bugs and hassles with open source, while allowing us to develop, work with, use the business arguments we need with big contractors - in short it's a healthy compromise. I'd expect the GPL to move towards allowing app stores in the future - providing there is another place where these restrictions are not in place - and I would also expect Apple to slowly work with these changes in license and adopt their terms - so this commercial advantage for RunRev won't last forever. On 1 February 2013 20:05, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/1/13 12:53 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > As being a dev tool, there will be a certain percentage who will want to >> use it for proprietary deployment. >> > > And then there's the part how Apple won't accept any GPL apps in either > the App Store or the Mac App Store, so anyone developing Apple products > will need to purchase the commercial license. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Sun Feb 3 06:27:25 2013 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 11:27:25 +0000 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <510DB120.5020706@fourthworld.com> References: <510DB120.5020706@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: I had a vague memory of this and checked in an old script and found the following: read from file laFile[pUrl] for 4096 if the result <> empty and the result <> "eof" then ... Dave On 3 Feb 2013, at 00:36, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Without looking in the Dictionary, what would you expect the value of tResult to be after successful execution of: > > open file tValidFilePath for read > read from file tValidFilePath until EOF > put the result into tResult > close file tValidFilePath > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dave at businessplaninsight.com Sun Feb 3 06:47:54 2013 From: dave at businessplaninsight.com (Dave Kilroy) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 11:47:54 +0000 Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C72554D-B277-437C-BF78-8E972D8A0B4C@businessplaninsight.com> Can anyone explain what the situation would be with open source, LiveCode server and revigniter? I sure I don't understand something basic about how open source works - I think I get it in terms of distributed software, but what about code that lives on a server? If I currently create a web app for a client using LiveCode server then I can keep the code files private - and that's good. But what about the following situations? Scenario A: If in the future if I create a web app under a professional licence from RunRev then I guess I can still keep code I write private - but do I need to keep my licence current with RunRev in order to do so? Or if I let the licence lapse at some time in the future do I then need to make it public? Scenario B: If in the future I create a web app using LC server and want to do it under the free licence - do I really have to let everyone see the code that runs the website? Also, what about revigniter, is it the same as with LC server or do any special conditions apply? In all of the above scenarios there will be lots of things in the code on the server that I would want to keep private. I hate this legal stuff - what am I missing and can someone explain how it can be open source whilst still being secure? Kind regards Dave From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 08:31:05 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 15:31:05 +0200 Subject: Open Source LC, Documentation and Thousand Island Dressing. Message-ID: <510E6699.20507@gmail.com> I have just read Mark Waddingham's seminal article on O-S Livecode and naturalistic language . . . . . . and . . . 1. If things really develop as fast as quite a few folk seem to think they might how is the Documentation going to keep pace? 2. If we have a flowering of forks and sub-forks how will documenting all this work and any dialect differences in the languages of those variants? The Documentation has been a sore point in certain circles for quite some time, and I cannot see it getting any less of a sore point unless there really is a concerted effort to bring it "into line" and stay in line as things develop. Richmond. From kevin at runrev.com Sun Feb 3 09:19:17 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:19:17 +0000 Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: <9C72554D-B277-437C-BF78-8E972D8A0B4C@businessplaninsight.com> Message-ID: Scenario A: your license lapsing does not alter software you have already distributed. It prevents you from editing/updating your software and then posting an update, until you renew that is. Scenario B: No, you don't have to release code to people who simply interact with your website. There is an alternative open source license called AGPL which would have required that, we chose not to adopt this license. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 03/02/2013 11:47, "Dave Kilroy" wrote: >Can anyone explain what the situation would be with open source, LiveCode >server and revigniter? > >I sure I don't understand something basic about how open source works - I >think I get it in terms of distributed software, but what about code that >lives on a server? > >If I currently create a web app for a client using LiveCode server then I >can keep the code files private - and that's good. But what about the >following situations? > >Scenario A: If in the future if I create a web app under a professional >licence from RunRev then I guess I can still keep code I write private - >but do I need to keep my licence current with RunRev in order to do so? >Or if I let the licence lapse at some time in the future do I then need >to make it public? > >Scenario B: If in the future I create a web app using LC server and want >to do it under the free licence - do I really have to let everyone see >the code that runs the website? > >Also, what about revigniter, is it the same as with LC server or do any >special conditions apply? > >In all of the above scenarios there will be lots of things in the code on >the server that I would want to keep private. > >I hate this legal stuff - what am I missing and can someone explain how >it can be open source whilst still being secure? > >Kind regards > >Dave > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From kevin at runrev.com Sun Feb 3 09:23:58 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:23:58 +0000 Subject: # 8 on Kicktraq! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks David. Its times like these I almost wish we had fewer messages :) We'll take another look at the campaign tomorrow to see if we can tweak / include stronger messaging to better hit some of the OSS types. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 03/02/2013 10:14, "David Bovill" wrote: >Kevin - my take on the KickStarter marketing is that it is squarely >targeted at the HyperCard, and perhaps more traditional educational >markets. I think this is strong - and there is still a good deal of >mileage >to get with this group. The big "problem" with that aspect of the pitch is >the perception of a good chunk of the audience with "projects like Scratch >are free and do this". > >Still I think teaming up with the "make programming easier and teach it in >schools" movement is a strong one. I'd emphasise new markets though - the >recent TED talk on making education easier, and groups in the UK ( >www.rewiredstate.org) and other countries in the free and online education >markets - Kahn academy etc My instinct would be that the KickStarter >energy >is more pronounced in these more evangelical education movements than the >softer educational pitch that is up there at the moment. > >More important, in my opinion, is the lack of appeal to the open source >community, and the nature of the prizes. The current pitch is not >appealing >to existing projects that would like to combine LiveCode with their >projects, or see some advantage in utilising the source code. For these >groups there needs to be rewards and incentives more directly software >related - training on specific high value features - say 10 people >learning >to hack the "open language module" - or 20 people learning how to set up >cross platform compiling, or 200 people given a free place on porting code >to the Raspberry Pi. Specific pitches, worth money to people, and >targetted >at existing open source communities. I feel these pitches could be made in >tandem with teaming up with the open educational movement.... > >My 2 cents > >On 1 February 2013 22:34, Kevin Miller wrote: > >>This is good analysis. Our existing community is quite a bit bigger so >>plenty more to be convinced there. But you're right we need to reach a >>broader community. Millions remember HyperCard which is our strongest >>card >>(pardon the pun). >> >>Question: how good do you think the video really is for those outside the >>community? We were very pleased with it when we launched it but I wonder >>if >>we are a little close to it and there is more we could do to make it >>connect better? Would be great to get some more objective feedback. >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >>On 1 Feb 2013, at 20:39, Ben Rubinstein wrote: >> >>> On 31/01/2013 19:33, Monte Goulding wrote: >>>> Dropping back and the funding is coming in too slow. >>>> >>>> If you multiply yesterday's pledges by 29 and add the 32002 from the >>first day then we are looking at 282,446. Kicktraq still says we are >>trending above target but it won't in a few days if we don't pick things >>up. >>> >>> Yep. Overall, Kickstarter analysis (see Michael Wolf) is that 20%-30% >>is the tipping point - most projects that fail, fail with less than 20% >>of >>their goal; almost all that get past about 30%, succeed. >>> >>> But I'm not sure that analysis, or Kicktraq's trends and projections, >>really apply or help here, because of our unusual situation: there's a >>certain community that already knows and loves LiveCode, most can be >>convinced that this would be a good thing, and a certain proportion are >>prepared to donate to help it happen - and almost all the members of that >>community are easily reached, and probably already have been. >>> >>> So that first heady rush that took it to 10% wasn't really indicative >>>of >>the same kind of progress as it would if made by some random new bright >>idea from some new bunch of bright people that hardly anyone's heard of - >>ie the typical at least tech Kickstarter project. Rather, that >>represented >>the easy bit - tapping the existing community. I'm not saying that's >>over >>- many people are still thinking about it, or still to be convinced, who >>may yet decide to contribute; and some people who have contributed, may >>be >>prepared to contribute more. I'll expect more emails from Kevin like the >>one today at regularly intervals over the next month. But I'd guess a >>large proportion of the funding that's available from the community has >>been tapped. >>> >>> So now the hard part starts - the remaining 88% or whatever has to be >>beaten out of the people who've mostly never heard of LiveCode (although >>some of them have at least heard of HyperCard, and they should be the >>next >>softest target). In many ways the situation more closely resembles >>starting from zero to raise ?305K, than it does being 12% of the way >>towards ?350K. >>> >>> So fun though all the Kicktraq graphs, and stacks that go ping* are: >>what we really need to do be doing is not watching the meter, but getting >>out on the street and shouting the news. If you have a following, >>shouting >>it to them; and if you know someone with a bigger following, persuading >>that person to shout it to their following. >>> >>> How I wish I had a following. >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> *although, if the stack that went ping was easily distributable as an >>example of the power of the language... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >>_______________________________________________ >>use-livecode mailing list >>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From slylabs13 at me.com Sun Feb 3 12:06:52 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 09:06:52 -0800 Subject: [OT] Just won 3rd place on a Firefox OS App contest in Brazil. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yer the bomb, baby! ;-) Bob On Feb 3, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hey Folks, > > I am at a conference with eight thousand people camping on a tech venue > with 30GB connection. We had a contest for mobile app creation for Firefox > OS and I won 3rd place :-D > > Now, back to the normal programming where I code LiveCode and help with the > kickstarter > > Cheers > andre > From dochawk at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 12:26:18 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 09:26:18 -0800 Subject: [OT] Just won 3rd place on a Firefox OS App contest in Brazil. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Fantastic Andre. What does your app do? Apps are supposed to do something? Argh; knew I was missing something :) congratulations -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Feb 3 06:50:49 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:50:49 +1100 Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: <9C72554D-B277-437C-BF78-8E972D8A0B4C@businessplaninsight.com> References: <9C72554D-B277-437C-BF78-8E972D8A0B4C@businessplaninsight.com> Message-ID: Unless you are distributing you web app code with LC Server then it won't be under GPL as far as I know. Just like using MySQL for your server db. On 03/02/2013, at 10:47 PM, Dave Kilroy wrote: > Can anyone explain what the situation would be with open source, LiveCode server and revigniter? > > I sure I don't understand something basic about how open source works - I think I get it in terms of distributed software, but what about code that lives on a server? > > If I currently create a web app for a client using LiveCode server then I can keep the code files private - and that's good. But what about the following situations? > > Scenario A: If in the future if I create a web app under a professional licence from RunRev then I guess I can still keep code I write private - but do I need to keep my licence current with RunRev in order to do so? Or if I let the licence lapse at some time in the future do I then need to make it public? > > Scenario B: If in the future I create a web app using LC server and want to do it under the free licence - do I really have to let everyone see the code that runs the website? > > Also, what about revigniter, is it the same as with LC server or do any special conditions apply? > > In all of the above scenarios there will be lots of things in the code on the server that I would want to keep private. > > I hate this legal stuff - what am I missing and can someone explain how it can be open source whilst still being secure? > > Kind regards > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun Feb 3 14:08:45 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 11:08:45 -0800 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <0D360F60-4071-499F-8E71-21FBF6993B56@jhj.com> References: <0D360F60-4071-499F-8E71-21FBF6993B56@jhj.com> Message-ID: <510EB5BD.5080902@fourthworld.com> Jerry Jensen wrote: >>> On 03/02/2013, at 11:36 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >>> >>>> Without looking in the Dictionary, what would you expect the value >>>> of tResult to be after successful execution of: >>>> >>>> open file tValidFilePath for read >>>> read from file tValidFilePath until EOF >>>> put the result into tResult >>>> close file tValidFilePath >>>> >>>> >> On 03/02/2013, at 11:38 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: >> >>> empty? >>> > On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> :-( >> > Me too. ;-( > Curious, isn't it? In my informal survey among people I've talked with the results were the same as here, with nearly everyone guessing that a read command which executes without error would have empty in "the result". Instead, in the case of using specifically "...until EOF" or "...until end", the result contains "eof". This turns out to be documented (down in the fine print toward the bottom of the Dictionary entry for "read from file", but not above in the section that describes what "EOF" does), yet it's such a departure from the rest of the language that I was tempted to flag it as a bug. It's been around so long that they're not likely to change it, so I won't be littering the RQCC with yet another unactionable request. Still, does seem odd. Can you think of a circumstance in which you've already specified to read until EOF, and the command executes flawlessly just as you've asked it to, yet you still need to be notified that it reached EOF? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Feb 3 14:19:38 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 06:19:38 +1100 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <510EB5BD.5080902@fourthworld.com> References: <0D360F60-4071-499F-8E71-21FBF6993B56@jhj.com> <510EB5BD.5080902@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <9E7B95FE-56D2-4741-B749-DCDE4180E632@sweattechnologies.com> On 04/02/2013, at 6:08 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Can you think of a circumstance in which you've already specified to read until EOF, and the command executes flawlessly just as you've asked it to, yet you still need to be notified that it reached EOF? No -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From slylabs13 at me.com Sun Feb 3 14:59:12 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 11:59:12 -0800 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <510EB5BD.5080902@fourthworld.com> References: <0D360F60-4071-499F-8E71-21FBF6993B56@jhj.com> <510EB5BD.5080902@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: I think one of my guesses would have actually made more sense. Have the result return the number of characters read. That way you could check for zero in the result, and if not, you have the size of your chunk ready to go. But EOF in the result is surprising. It's hard to imagine the developer logic that drove them to this conclusion. Bob On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Jerry Jensen wrote: > > >>> On 03/02/2013, at 11:36 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >>> > >>>> Without looking in the Dictionary, what would you expect the value > >>>> of tResult to be after successful execution of: > >>>> > >>>> open file tValidFilePath for read > >>>> read from file tValidFilePath until EOF > >>>> put the result into tResult > >>>> close file tValidFilePath > >>>> > >>>> > >> On 03/02/2013, at 11:38 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> > >>> empty? > >>> > > On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > > >> :-( > >> > > Me too. ;-( > > > > Curious, isn't it? > > In my informal survey among people I've talked with the results were the same as here, with nearly everyone guessing that a read command which executes without error would have empty in "the result". > > Instead, in the case of using specifically "...until EOF" or "...until end", the result contains "eof". > > This turns out to be documented (down in the fine print toward the bottom of the Dictionary entry for "read from file", but not above in the section that describes what "EOF" does), yet it's such a departure from the rest of the language that I was tempted to flag it as a bug. > > It's been around so long that they're not likely to change it, so I won't be littering the RQCC with yet another unactionable request. > > Still, does seem odd. > > Can you think of a circumstance in which you've already specified to read until EOF, and the command executes flawlessly just as you've asked it to, yet you still need to be notified that it reached EOF? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dave at businessplaninsight.com Sun Feb 3 15:12:49 2013 From: dave at businessplaninsight.com (Dave Kilroy2) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:12:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: <9C72554D-B277-437C-BF78-8E972D8A0B4C@businessplaninsight.com> References: <9C72554D-B277-437C-BF78-8E972D8A0B4C@businessplaninsight.com> Message-ID: <1359922369076-4660156.post@n4.nabble.com> Thanks for the replies Kevin & Monte >From what you've both written it appears there will be no difference from the current situation if we use LC server (and possibly also using revigniter) to make a website in the future - Yay! (please let me know if this is not correct) Kind regards Dave -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Open-source-LC-server-and-revigniter-tp4660146p4660156.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pete at lcsql.com Sun Feb 3 15:15:30 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:15:30 -0800 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <510EB5BD.5080902@fourthworld.com> References: <0D360F60-4071-499F-8E71-21FBF6993B56@jhj.com> <510EB5BD.5080902@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: I ran into this a few weeks ago when I was having problems reading a file. Turned out it was because I should have been doing a binary read, but seeing EOF in the result made me think I'd run into some sort of error like an unexpected EOF or something - wasted a couple of hours trying to track that down. On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > It's been around so long that they're not likely to change it, so I won't > be littering the RQCC with yet another unactionable request. > > Still, does seem odd. > > Can you think of a circumstance in which you've already specified to read > until EOF, and the command executes flawlessly just as you've asked it to, > yet you still need to be notified that it reached EOF? > Pete lcSQL Software From alex at tweedly.net Sun Feb 3 15:30:00 2013 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:30:00 +0000 Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: <510D6158.7080805@hyperactivesw.com> References: <6522B6DA-28FE-41D5-8FBB-E13367535C7A@netrin.com> <8CFCEEE60B01383-13B0-656B2@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com> <510C609D.2060500@tweedly.net> <510C927B.2090402@hyperactivesw.com> <510CD776.9000708@tweedly.net> <510D6158.7080805@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <510EC8C8.70300@tweedly.net> On 02/02/2013 18:56, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/2/13 3:08 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: >> There's no need to decrease kBrute to deal with >> short lines, because we still do a full search (in this case using >> filter) when we get down to a block of size kBrute. > > Aha. The filter is the part I missed. I get it now. Clever. > Hmmm - kinda "clever", as in "cute clever". But also kinda dumb, as in "why abandon an efficient method for an inefficient one, just to save a little bit of thinking" :-) So I went back, did the thinking, eliminated kBrute (and thankfully the need for an unnecessary assumption/requirement to limit line length). I also changed it so that when we are about to test, we always have a complete line identified - and so it is much easier to adapt the code for other purposes. And - I changed the problem definition from "Return the line number of the first line with a leading numeric" to "return the character number of the first character of the first line with a leading numeric" This is much more efficient to use outside the function, as well as more efficient inside the function. The caller can now do something like put getCharacterPosition(myData) into tPos repeat for each line L in (char tPos to -1 of myData) ... instead of put getLinePosition(myData) into tLPos repeat for each line L in (line tLPos to -1 of myData) ... or put line 1 of (char tPos to -1 of myData) into temp rather than put line tLPos of Mydata into temp Both of these are much more efficient (will save 10s or 100s of millisecs in large data sets). With these changes, the binary search can now do 10M lines of input in typically <1 msec Even the worst case I can think of (all 300 Million characters are in a single line, no CRs anywhere), it gets a result in 1800 msec. So - here's the code for anyone who needs an efficient binary search of large string data. -- Alex. > function f3 @pD > local theResult > local tLower, tUpper, tMid, c, t > > -- NB we are always going to maintain theResult as a feasible answer > -- if there is no 'leading numeric' line, we answer with a number > beyond the input data > put (the number of chars in pD) + 1 into theResult > > put 1 into tLower > put theResult into tUpper > put trunc( (tUpper + tlower ) / 2) into tMid > > repeat 10000 times > -- check for a CR in the upper half > put the offset(CR, char tMid to tUpper of pD) into t > if t = 0 or tMid + t = tUpper then > -- there is no CR in upper half > -- move tUpper down to near tMid. > -- Can't just move it down to exactly tMid because of the > corner case > -- where tMid to tUpper exactly spans the last line > put tMid+1 into tUpper > else > -- there is a CR in this upper half, move tMid to just beyond it > add t to tMid > -- now tMid points to the start of a line > -- do the test here - easy to adapt > put char tMid of pD into c > if c is a number then > put tMid into tUpper > put tMid into theResult > else -- > put tMid into tLower > end if > end if > > put trunc( (tUpper + tLower ) / 2) into tMid > if tMid = tLower then > -- we're done, just decide if this single remaining line is a > candidate for the answer > if char tMid of pD is a number then -- do the test again !! > put tMid into theResult > end if > exit repeat > end if > > if tMid = tLower+1 then > -- tLower must point to the first char of an empty lie, so we > can increment over it > put tMid into tLower > end if > end repeat > > return theResult > > end f3 From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 3 15:40:43 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:40:43 -0600 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <510EB5BD.5080902@fourthworld.com> References: <0D360F60-4071-499F-8E71-21FBF6993B56@jhj.com> <510EB5BD.5080902@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <510ECB4B.2080204@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/3/13 1:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Can you think of a circumstance in which you've already specified to > read until EOF, and the command executes flawlessly just as you've asked > it to, yet you still need to be notified that it reached EOF? The "read from file" command is a subset of the generic "read" command which also includes reading from sockets and drivers (and by extension, reading from servers.) They all have the same syntax, and in the MC dictionary there's only one listing for them all. Because they are the same command internally, they all share the same values in the result. In the case of sockets and drivers it is possible to read without error but not receive all the data due to communication issues. In that case you'd want to know if the read had paused or had really finished. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From slylabs13 at me.com Sun Feb 3 15:49:36 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 12:49:36 -0800 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <510ECB4B.2080204@hyperactivesw.com> References: <0D360F60-4071-499F-8E71-21FBF6993B56@jhj.com> <510EB5BD.5080902@fourthworld.com> <510ECB4B.2080204@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <63F5946C-D4B5-406A-BEBA-0577CDBF3E1A@me.com> Once again, Jacque puts the kibosh on our "it's a bug!" session by injecting facts! You can't have any fun around here anymore. ;-) Bob On Feb 3, 2013, at 12:40 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/3/13 1:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> Can you think of a circumstance in which you've already specified to >> read until EOF, and the command executes flawlessly just as you've asked >> it to, yet you still need to be notified that it reached EOF? > > The "read from file" command is a subset of the generic "read" command which also includes reading from sockets and drivers (and by extension, reading from servers.) They all have the same syntax, and in the MC dictionary there's only one listing for them all. Because they are the same command internally, they all share the same values in the result. > > In the case of sockets and drivers it is possible to read without error but not receive all the data due to communication issues. In that case you'd want to know if the read had paused or had really finished. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun Feb 3 16:08:15 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 13:08:15 -0800 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <510ECB4B.2080204@hyperactivesw.com> References: <0D360F60-4071-499F-8E71-21FBF6993B56@jhj.com> <510EB5BD.5080902@fourthworld.com> <510ECB4B.2080204@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1831521377000.20130203130815@ahsoftware.net> Jacque- Sunday, February 3, 2013, 12:40:43 PM, you wrote: > In the case of sockets and drivers it is possible to read without error > but not receive all the data due to communication issues. In that case > you'd want to know if the read had paused or had really finished. I was about to post the same, but then Bob would be on my case instead , so I'm glad you beat me to it. I'd be happier if the read command had been written to return the number of characters read, in which case 0 or -1 would be an error, but we're stuck with what we've got. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From andre at andregarzia.com Sun Feb 3 16:32:57 2013 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 19:32:57 -0200 Subject: [OT] Just won 3rd place on a Firefox OS App contest in Brazil. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: :-D The app will decode photos of QR codes and present you options based on the content of the decoded string. For example, if it was a web address it will give you options to view it, add to your bookmarks or share it on facebook... :D On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Scott Rossi > wrote: > > Fantastic Andre. What does your app do? > > Apps are supposed to do something? > > Argh; knew I was missing something :) > > congratulations > > > -- > Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 3 16:51:24 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 15:51:24 -0600 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <1831521377000.20130203130815@ahsoftware.net> References: <0D360F60-4071-499F-8E71-21FBF6993B56@jhj.com> <510EB5BD.5080902@fourthworld.com> <510ECB4B.2080204@hyperactivesw.com> <1831521377000.20130203130815@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <510EDBDC.8030601@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/3/13 3:08 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jacque- > > Sunday, February 3, 2013, 12:40:43 PM, you wrote: > >> In the case of sockets and drivers it is possible to read without error >> but not receive all the data due to communication issues. In that case >> you'd want to know if the read had paused or had really finished. > > I was about to post the same, but then Bob would be on my case > instead , so I'm glad you beat me to it. I'd be happier if the read > command had been written to return the number of characters read, in > which case 0 or -1 would be an error, but we're stuck with what we've > got. > If you're reading a serial port, you don't always know how many characters to expect. I'm not sure if that's still the same thing though. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 3 17:00:55 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:00:55 -0600 Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: <510EC8C8.70300@tweedly.net> References: <6522B6DA-28FE-41D5-8FBB-E13367535C7A@netrin.com> <8CFCEEE60B01383-13B0-656B2@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com> <510C609D.2060500@tweedly.net> <510C927B.2090402@hyperactivesw.com> <510CD776.9000708@tweedly.net> <510D6158.7080805@hyperactivesw.com> <510EC8C8.70300@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <510EDE17.4020109@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/3/13 2:30 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > On 02/02/2013 18:56, J. Landman Gay wrote: >> On 2/2/13 3:08 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: >>> There's no need to decrease kBrute to deal with >>> short lines, because we still do a full search (in this case using >>> filter) when we get down to a block of size kBrute. >> >> Aha. The filter is the part I missed. I get it now. Clever. >> > Hmmm - kinda "clever", as in "cute clever". > But also kinda dumb, as in "why abandon an efficient method for an > inefficient one, just to save a little bit of thinking" :-) > > So I went back, did the thinking, eliminated kBrute (and thankfully the > need for an unnecessary assumption/requirement to limit line length). I > also changed it so that when we are about to test, we always have a > complete line identified - and so it is much easier to adapt the code > for other purposes. I'd much rather you did the thinking than me, so thanks very much for this. Now I have a new function to add to my collection and it was quite painless. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 3 17:31:31 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:31:31 -0600 Subject: Java, Apple and Pork Pies. In-Reply-To: <510E1673.2010006@gmail.com> References: <510E1673.2010006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <510EE543.70001@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/3/13 1:49 AM, Richmond wrote: > Really? > > I am going to stop believing in Apple as of now. > > Apple Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 12 > > http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/33087/apple-java-for-mac-os-x-10.6 > > somebody somewhere is telling "porkies" to ratchet up interest or their > share values methinks. I'm not sure what you mean here? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun Feb 3 17:49:07 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 14:49:07 -0800 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <510EDBDC.8030601@hyperactivesw.com> References: <0D360F60-4071-499F-8E71-21FBF6993B56@jhj.com> <510EB5BD.5080902@fourthworld.com> <510ECB4B.2080204@hyperactivesw.com> <1831521377000.20130203130815@ahsoftware.net> <510EDBDC.8030601@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1181527430109.20130203144907@ahsoftware.net> Jacque- Sunday, February 3, 2013, 1:51:24 PM, you wrote: > On 2/3/13 3:08 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> Jacque- >> >> Sunday, February 3, 2013, 12:40:43 PM, you wrote: >> >>> In the case of sockets and drivers it is possible to read without error >>> but not receive all the data due to communication issues. In that case >>> you'd want to know if the read had paused or had really finished. >> >> I was about to post the same, but then Bob would be on my case >> instead , so I'm glad you beat me to it. I'd be happier if the read >> command had been written to return the number of characters read, in >> which case 0 or -1 would be an error, but we're stuck with what we've >> got. >> > If you're reading a serial port, you don't always know how many > characters to expect. I'm not sure if that's still the same thing though. Yeah, interesting point. I'm not sure what EOF means in that case either. Is that "I received an EOF char from the port"? -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From andrew at ctech.me Sun Feb 3 18:04:48 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 17:04:48 -0600 Subject: Slashdotted Message-ID: Got home, checked slashdot out as usual. See a headline that resembles what livecode is trying to do. Read the summary and find out it is talking about livecode! Woo! -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From jhj at jhj.com Sun Feb 3 18:11:22 2013 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 15:11:22 -0800 Subject: just for fun: pop quiz In-Reply-To: <1181527430109.20130203144907@ahsoftware.net> References: <0D360F60-4071-499F-8E71-21FBF6993B56@jhj.com> <510EB5BD.5080902@fourthworld.com> <510ECB4B.2080204@hyperactivesw.com> <1831521377000.20130203130815@ahsoftware.net> <510EDBDC.8030601@hyperactivesw.com> <1181527430109.20130203144907@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jacque- > > Sunday, February 3, 2013, 1:51:24 PM, you wrote: > >> On 2/3/13 3:08 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >>> Jacque- >>> >>> Sunday, February 3, 2013, 12:40:43 PM, you wrote: >>> >>>> In the case of sockets and drivers it is possible to read without error >>>> but not receive all the data due to communication issues. In that case >>>> you'd want to know if the read had paused or had really finished. >>> >>> I was about to post the same, but then Bob would be on my case >>> instead , so I'm glad you beat me to it. I'd be happier if the read >>> command had been written to return the number of characters read, in >>> which case 0 or -1 would be an error, but we're stuck with what we've >>> got. >>> > >> If you're reading a serial port, you don't always know how many >> characters to expect. I'm not sure if that's still the same thing though. > > Yeah, interesting point. I'm not sure what EOF means in that case > either. Is that "I received an EOF char from the port"? I don't think EOF is meaningful with a serial driver. The closest character is Ctrl-D, EOT, end of transmission. I've always had to use read from driver tPort until empty in tTimeout milliseconds and put that in a timed repeating loop, buffering until a "real" return char comes in. .Jerry From livfoss at mac.com Sun Feb 3 18:20:43 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 00:20:43 +0100 Subject: Slashdotted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, but the story needs some positive reinforcement. I know nothing about Slashdot and its style, but I really hope that people from this community that know their way around the SD world will oblige. Graham (a long way after Kevin) Sent from my iPad On 4 Feb 2013, at 00:04, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Got home, checked slashdot out as usual. See a headline that resembles > what livecode is trying to do. Read the summary and find out it is > talking about livecode! Woo! > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 00:49:09 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 07:49:09 +0200 Subject: Java, Apple and Pork Pies. In-Reply-To: <510EE543.70001@hyperactivesw.com> References: <510E1673.2010006@gmail.com> <510EE543.70001@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <510F4BD5.3090600@gmail.com> On 04/02/13 00:31, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/3/13 1:49 AM, Richmond wrote: >> Really? >> >> I am going to stop believing in Apple as of now. >> >> Apple Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 12 >> >> http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/33087/apple-java-for-mac-os-x-10.6 >> >> somebody somewhere is telling "porkies" to ratchet up interest or their >> share values methinks. > > I'm not sure what you mean here? > Supposedly Java is "out" for Apple; and this update would seem to bely that. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 06:44:52 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 13:44:52 +0200 Subject: Thinking the unthinkable. Message-ID: <510F9F34.2000305@gmail.com> What happens if, at the end of February, the Kickstart fund has not reached its target? Does that mean that all the hype, thought and advertising about an O-S Livecode variant goes down the toilet? Or are we to expect an extension of the date at which the target should be fulfilled? Richmond. From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Mon Feb 4 07:44:42 2013 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 12:44:42 +0000 Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: References: <9C72554D-B277-437C-BF78-8E972D8A0B4C@businessplaninsight.com> Message-ID: Not quite true the GPLv3includes the " affero " clause - this is designed to include the more modern concept of web apps. That is hosting a publicly available web service using GPLv3 licences code is considered equivalent to physically distributing the code and therefore you must release any other code linked to your service under the amse GPLv3 license. On 3 February 2013 11:50, Monte Goulding wrote: > Unless you are distributing you web app code with LC Server then it won't > be under GPL as far as I know. Just like using MySQL for your server db. > From kevin at runrev.com Mon Feb 4 07:50:56 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 12:50:56 +0000 Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We're not using the AGPL. It is optional and we're not using it. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 04/02/2013 12:44, "David Bovill" wrote: >Not quite true the >GPLv3includes the >" >affero " >clause >- this is designed to include the more modern concept of web apps. That is >hosting a publicly available web service using GPLv3 licences code is >considered equivalent to physically distributing the code and therefore >you >must release any other code linked to your service under the amse GPLv3 >license. > >On 3 February 2013 11:50, Monte Goulding >wrote: > >>Unless you are distributing you web app code with LC Server then it won't >>be under GPL as far as I know. Just like using MySQL for your server db. >> >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 4 08:24:44 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 08:24:44 -0500 Subject: Java, Apple and Pork Pies. In-Reply-To: <510F4BD5.3090600@gmail.com> References: <510E1673.2010006@gmail.com> <510EE543.70001@hyperactivesw.com> <510F4BD5.3090600@gmail.com> Message-ID: That article refers to a Mac OS version that is about 10 versions ago. It naturally has a different situation with Java. On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:49 AM, Richmond wrote: > Supposedly Java is "out" for Apple; and this update would seem to bely that. From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Mon Feb 4 08:50:09 2013 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 13:50:09 +0000 Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah good to know - my bad. Doesn't immediately strike me as in your interests - though I can see some companies demanding this - still why you don't simply require them to pay up for a commercial license on the server like seems at odds with the overall strategy, and less likely to promote open code on the server side? On 4 February 2013 12:50, Kevin Miller wrote: > We're not using the AGPL. It is optional and we're not using it. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > From dochawk at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 10:58:29 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 07:58:29 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <1359887931381-4660143.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <510C0F3D.60707@fourthworld.com> <1359887931381-4660143.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > It also has the potential to remove the Hypercard danger - that of being > stuck in an orphaned product. If its open sourced that can never happen. The OSS branch can never get orphaned. The commercial branch can, however . . . Now I'm musing about ways to deal with that; perhaps an exception that allows the proprietary standalone to be built if certain events occur? a cod escrow? -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From dave at businessplaninsight.com Mon Feb 4 11:34:18 2013 From: dave at businessplaninsight.com (Dave Kilroy2) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 08:34:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: References: <9C72554D-B277-437C-BF78-8E972D8A0B4C@businessplaninsight.com> Message-ID: <1359995658597-4660180.post@n4.nabble.com> Yes I agree, I don't see how RunRev will get any reward for having a server version - and if they don't get any reward for it then it may be less likely to be developed on an on-going basis. I use TextMate to write code and upload to a server (whether I use revigniter or not) - I'm not building a standalone or even uploading a stack - so as far as I can see it will make no difference whether I use the commercial or GPL version. If I create and upload some stacks I guess I'll still be OK with the GPL version as I'm not building a standalone? If I build a standalone and upload that only then will need a commercial licence (unless I also make source code available) Or maybe RunRev are happy to have the server version as a loss-leader? Dave Ah good to know - my bad. Doesn't immediately strike me as in your interests - though I can see some companies demanding this - still why you don't simply require them to pay up for a commercial license on the server like seems at odds with the overall strategy, and less likely to promote open code on the server side? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Open-source-LC-server-and-revigniter-tp4660146p4660180.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From admin at FlexibleLearning.com Mon Feb 4 12:04:19 2013 From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:04:19 -0000 Subject: filter with a tab character In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have tab-delimited list and am trying to filter lines. Q1. How do we include a TAB character in the expression? Using filter with "*\tsomeText" fails. Q2. How do we specify a maximum numeric value? Using filter with "*[<18]" fails. Have tried reading up on Bourne Shell but am totally confused! Thanks. Hugh Senior FLCo From klaus at major.on-rev.com Mon Feb 4 12:09:15 2013 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:09:15 +0100 Subject: filter with a tab character In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08201501-0E50-4EB9-BB7E-0D7F763AB5A8@major.on-rev.com> Hi Hugh, Am 04.02.2013 um 18:04 schrieb FlexibleLearning.com : > I have tab-delimited list and am trying to filter lines. > > > Q1. How do we include a TAB character in the expression? Using filter with > "*\tsomeText" fails. use the contant TAB: ... filter tList with ("*" & TAB & "whatever") ... > Q2. How do we specify a maximum numeric value? Using filter with "*[<18]" > fails. Sorry, no idea. Maybe with some RegeEx? > Have tried reading up on Bourne Shell but am totally confused! > > Thanks. > > Hugh Senior > FLCo Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Feb 4 12:17:57 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:17:57 -0800 Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: <1359995658597-4660180.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1359995658597-4660180.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <510FED45.6010605@fourthworld.com> Dave Kilroy2 wrote: > Yes I agree, I don't see how RunRev will get any reward for having a server > version - and if they don't get any reward for it then it may be less likely > to be developed on an on-going basis. When you think about it, LiveCode Server isn't much different from the main engine: the merge function is extended and implicit, and the GUI handling is turned off automatically so you don't need to pass "-ui" to it. With the if-defs they use to compile it already set up, I can't imagine it's much work to maintain it going forward. > Or maybe RunRev are happy to have the server version as a loss-leader? Yes. The AGPL was created for one fairly recent project, Affero (the "A" in "AGPL") in 2007. It's useful if that's what you need, but it's one of the least commonly used licenses around, often considered too strict for most projects. I'd be surprised if as many as a dozen other projects have adopted it thus far. Meanwhile, MySQL has flourished under GPL. Most of us use it for free, but when you need to bundle your app with it then you get to have a conversation with Oracle's licensing department; same with LiveCode Server. LiveCode is nearly unmatched for making multi-platform GUI apps, but LiveCode server doesn't have nearly the competitive advantages over readily-available alternatives. PHP, for example, has a vast community, uncountable libraries, books, and tutorials available, and is already both multi-threaded and 64-bit compatible. Moreover, PHP is available for free under the very permissive PHP License, and is pre-installed on most commercial hosting systems. LiveCode's syntax has some nice conveniences, but for serious work its main benefit is for those who need to share code used also in LiveCode-based GUI apps, or to rely on coding skills acquired from using LiveCode in GUIs. As a for-fee product, LiveCode Server is a hard sell. But available for free use under GPL, it would at last have a chance to enchant newcomers with its unusually inviting syntax. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Feb 4 12:23:34 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:23:34 -0800 Subject: filter with a tab character In-Reply-To: <08201501-0E50-4EB9-BB7E-0D7F763AB5A8@major.on-rev.com> References: <08201501-0E50-4EB9-BB7E-0D7F763AB5A8@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <510FEE96.9080301@fourthworld.com> Klaus wrote: > Am 04.02.2013 um 18:04 schrieb FlexibleLearning.com: > >> I have tab-delimited list and am trying to filter lines. >> >> Q1. How do we include a TAB character in the expression? Using filter with >> "*\tsomeText" fails. > > use the contant TAB: > ... > filter tList with ("*" & TAB & "whatever") While the filter command is seductively simple to use, if your rows have many columns and you're filtering on one several columns in, you may find "repeat for each" will be more efficient: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 4 12:33:51 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:33:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: just for fun: pop quiz References: <0D360F60-4071-499F-8E71-21FBF6993B56@jhj.com> <510EB5BD.5080902@fourthworld.com> <510ECB4B.2080204@hyperactivesw.com> <1831521377000.20130203130815@ahsoftware.net> <510EDBDC.8030601@hyperactivesw.com> <1181527430109.20130203144907@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Jerry Jensen writes: > >> On 2/3/13 3:08 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > Yeah, interesting point. I'm not sure what EOF means in that case > > either. Is that "I received an EOF char from the port"? > > I don't think EOF is meaningful with a serial driver. The closest character is Ctrl-D, EOT, end of transmission. Thanks. Yes, I meant EOT. If EOF for a file stream means you've gotten to the end then possibly EOF for a serial stream could mean you've received an EOT char. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Feb 4 12:39:07 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:39:07 -0800 Subject: to find the first numeric line? In-Reply-To: <510EC8C8.70300@tweedly.net> References: <510EC8C8.70300@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <510FF23B.4030401@fourthworld.com> Bravo. Most xTalk binary search algos depend on line-counting, which still requires considerable under-the-hood effort as the engine needs to traverse chunks to count CRs, over and over again. Your byte-based algo us much better - thanks for posting that. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys Alex Tweedly wrote: > So I went back, did the thinking, eliminated kBrute (and thankfully the > need for an unnecessary assumption/requirement to limit line length). I > also changed it so that when we are about to test, we always have a > complete line identified - and so it is much easier to adapt the code > for other purposes. > > And - I changed the problem definition from > "Return the line number of the first line with a leading numeric" > to > "return the character number of the first character of the first > line with a leading numeric" > > This is much more efficient to use outside the function, as well as more > efficient inside the function. The caller can now do something like > > put getCharacterPosition(myData) into tPos > repeat for each line L in (char tPos to -1 of myData) > ... > > instead of > put getLinePosition(myData) into tLPos > repeat for each line L in (line tLPos to -1 of myData) > ... > > or > put line 1 of (char tPos to -1 of myData) into temp > rather than > put line tLPos of Mydata into temp > > Both of these are much more efficient (will save 10s or 100s of > millisecs in large data sets). > > With these changes, the binary search can now do 10M lines of input in > typically <1 msec > Even the worst case I can think of (all 300 Million characters are in a > single line, no CRs anywhere), it gets a result in 1800 msec. > > So - here's the code for anyone who needs an efficient binary search of > large string data. > -- Alex. > >> function f3 @pD >> local theResult >> local tLower, tUpper, tMid, c, t >> >> -- NB we are always going to maintain theResult as a feasible answer >> -- if there is no 'leading numeric' line, we answer with a number >> beyond the input data >> put (the number of chars in pD) + 1 into theResult >> >> put 1 into tLower >> put theResult into tUpper >> put trunc( (tUpper + tlower ) / 2) into tMid >> >> repeat 10000 times >> -- check for a CR in the upper half >> put the offset(CR, char tMid to tUpper of pD) into t >> if t = 0 or tMid + t = tUpper then >> -- there is no CR in upper half >> -- move tUpper down to near tMid. >> -- Can't just move it down to exactly tMid because of the >> corner case >> -- where tMid to tUpper exactly spans the last line >> put tMid+1 into tUpper >> else >> -- there is a CR in this upper half, move tMid to just beyond it >> add t to tMid >> -- now tMid points to the start of a line >> -- do the test here - easy to adapt >> put char tMid of pD into c >> if c is a number then >> put tMid into tUpper >> put tMid into theResult >> else -- >> put tMid into tLower >> end if >> end if >> >> put trunc( (tUpper + tLower ) / 2) into tMid >> if tMid = tLower then >> -- we're done, just decide if this single remaining line is a >> candidate for the answer >> if char tMid of pD is a number then -- do the test again !! >> put tMid into theResult >> end if >> exit repeat >> end if >> >> if tMid = tLower+1 then >> -- tLower must point to the first char of an empty lie, so we >> can increment over it >> put tMid into tLower >> end if >> end repeat >> >> return theResult >> >> end f3 > > From bonnmike at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 12:42:43 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 10:42:43 -0700 Subject: filter with a tab character In-Reply-To: <08201501-0E50-4EB9-BB7E-0D7F763AB5A8@major.on-rev.com> References: <08201501-0E50-4EB9-BB7E-0D7F763AB5A8@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: I think you could also use \t to signify a tab char. As for the matching a range of numbers you'd probably be better served to have lc handle whatever is leftover. However, barring that, you might look at this page: http://www.regular-expressions.info/numericranges.html for an explanation of how to get it done. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Hugh, > > Am 04.02.2013 um 18:04 schrieb FlexibleLearning.com > : > > > I have tab-delimited list and am trying to filter lines. > > > > > > Q1. How do we include a TAB character in the expression? Using filter > with > > "*\tsomeText" fails. > > use the contant TAB: > ... > filter tList with ("*" & TAB & "whatever") > ... > > > Q2. How do we specify a maximum numeric value? Using filter with "*[<18]" > > fails. > > Sorry, no idea. > Maybe with some RegeEx? > > > Have tried reading up on Bourne Shell but am totally confused! > > > > Thanks. > > > > Hugh Senior > > FLCo > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From cmsheffield at icloud.com Mon Feb 4 12:42:49 2013 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:42:49 -0700 Subject: issue PUT html command Message-ID: <24480BA4-03FC-4AD9-BA91-0C1CEE687F70@icloud.com> I'm not even sure that's the right terminology. This is kind of related to my last post about push notifications. I found a neat web site (urbanairship.com) that has a server set up for sending push notifications to mobile devices. As far as I can tell, it's free to use. I'm still researching the details. Does anyone know anything about them? Anyway, they have an html api that allows for issuing certain commands, including registering device tokens, via PUT and GET. How do I do this with LiveCode? I haven't really done much of this kind of thing before. I'm sure it's easy, and will probably be obvious, but I'm not finding anything in the docs. Can anyone help? Thanks, Chris From kevin at runrev.com Mon Feb 4 12:43:05 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:43:05 +0000 Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: <510FED45.6010605@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: This is it exactly. When selecting the license we looked very closely at the competitive landscape. GPL will play nicely given our competitive strengths as a desktop/mobile framework. But to do AGPL with the server version would be a mistake. We have a bigger hill to climb there and so we need to attract the framework writers etc who will really make that platform sing. If that can happen its good for the platform/language as a whole. The server version now its done isn't so hard to maintain. It doesn't need much added and where it does that tends to overlap with the other versions. For example, it needs the ability to draw objects and take snapshots of stacks but that's something that will be enabled by other work happening on the graphics stuff as part of the platform rework for non-server platforms anyway. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 04/02/2013 17:17, "Richard Gaskin" wrote: >LiveCode is nearly unmatched for making multi-platform GUI apps, but >LiveCode server doesn't have nearly the competitive advantages over >readily-available alternatives. > >PHP, for example, has a vast community, uncountable libraries, books, >and tutorials available, and is already both multi-threaded and 64-bit >compatible. Moreover, PHP is available for free under the very >permissive PHP License, and is pre-installed on most commercial hosting >systems. > >LiveCode's syntax has some nice conveniences, but for serious work its >main benefit is for those who need to share code used also in >LiveCode-based GUI apps, or to rely on coding skills acquired from using >LiveCode in GUIs. > >As a for-fee product, LiveCode Server is a hard sell. But available for >free use under GPL, it would at last have a chance to enchant newcomers >with its unusually inviting syntax. > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 4 12:45:05 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode References: <510C0F3D.60707@fourthworld.com> <1359887931381-4660143.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Dr. Hawkins writes: > The OSS branch can never get orphaned. The commercial branch can, however ... > > Now I'm musing about ways to deal with that; perhaps an exception that > allows the proprietary standalone to be built if certain events occur? > a cod escrow? Thank you. I've been waiting for someone to notice this. One of the obstacles to LiveCode's acceptance in the Real World is that there's a single point of failure: what happens if something happens to RunRev? They go out of business (now it's *me* thinking the unthinkable), they get acquired by Larry Ellison, they do the HyperCard thing and just disappear... With a closed source engine and no code escrow we're all out of luck. And that's a serious impediment for any company that's thinking about investing their future in LiveCode as a platform. By open-sourcing the engine we've got several options. The community can take it forward, the code can get forked, our investment is future-proof. The only things that wouldn't be covered are the parts that you would need a commercial license for: stack protection, etc, and that's the same situation we have today. It would be nice if a code escrow arrangement could be worked out for those, but first things first. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net ...now that I've seen "cod escrow" I can't unsee it... From kevin at runrev.com Mon Feb 4 12:46:06 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:46:06 +0000 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <3191EB1C-D1FF-4DCC-BAF9-76AC3977CE32@gmail.com> Message-ID: The stack protection code will not be in the GPL version and will not be released. Stacks without protection will be interchangeable between GPL and commercial, but the GPL version won't even be able to open stacks with password protection. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 02/02/2013 00:44, "Glen Bojsza" wrote: >>So given Kevin has said the stack protection code will be under GPL will >>you stop using it? > From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Mon Feb 4 12:48:42 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:48:42 -0800 Subject: filter with a tab character In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: filter searches for a pattern, not a value, so this can work to filter anything 'less than 18', but would work to filter results with the chars "<", "1" or "8". Paul On 2013-02-04, at 9:04 AM, FlexibleLearning.com wrote: > Q2. How do we specify a maximum numeric value? Using filter with "*[<18]" > fails. From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Mon Feb 4 12:51:32 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:51:32 -0800 Subject: filter with a tab character In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96B904D8-D1BB-42FC-8D68-6EB9713F2C7C@pbh.on-rev.com> Sorry, that should have read "can't work" not "can work". On 2013-02-04, at 9:48 AM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > filter searches for a pattern, not a value, so this can work to filter anything 'less than 18', but would work to filter results with the chars "<", "1" or "8". > > Paul > > On 2013-02-04, at 9:04 AM, FlexibleLearning.com wrote: > >> Q2. How do we specify a maximum numeric value? Using filter with "*[<18]" >> fails. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dave at businessplaninsight.com Mon Feb 4 12:52:47 2013 From: dave at businessplaninsight.com (Dave Kilroy2) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:52:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: References: <9C72554D-B277-437C-BF78-8E972D8A0B4C@businessplaninsight.com> <1359995658597-4660180.post@n4.nabble.com> <510FED45.6010605@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1360000366981-4660194.post@n4.nabble.com> Thanks all, I understand now :) This is it exactly. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Open-source-LC-server-and-revigniter-tp4660146p4660194.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 12:53:21 2013 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:53:21 +0000 Subject: issue PUT html command In-Reply-To: <24480BA4-03FC-4AD9-BA91-0C1CEE687F70@icloud.com> References: <24480BA4-03FC-4AD9-BA91-0C1CEE687F70@icloud.com> Message-ID: Have you seen this? I got the Android version working. http://lessons.runrev.com/m/4069/l/59312 At the time when I was looking at it (last summer, I think) it seemed that the iOS version was more common (more worked out). Bernard On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > I'm not even sure that's the right terminology. This is kind of related to > my last post about push notifications. I found a neat web site ( > urbanairship.com) that has a server set up for sending push notifications > to mobile devices. As far as I can tell, it's free to use. I'm still > researching the details. Does anyone know anything about them? > > Anyway, they have an html api that allows for issuing certain commands, > including registering device tokens, via PUT and GET. How do I do this with > LiveCode? I haven't really done much of this kind of thing before. I'm sure > it's easy, and will probably be obvious, but I'm not finding anything in > the docs. > > Can anyone help? > > Thanks, > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From kevin at runrev.com Mon Feb 4 12:53:46 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:53:46 +0000 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There will be a commercial code escrow option too, but that will be aimed at larger companies and be specific to their individual use of the platform. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 04/02/2013 17:45, "Mark Wieder" wrote: >Dr. Hawkins writes: > >> The OSS branch can never get orphaned. The commercial branch can, >>however ... >> >> Now I'm musing about ways to deal with that; perhaps an exception that >> allows the proprietary standalone to be built if certain events occur? >> a cod escrow? > >Thank you. I've been waiting for someone to notice this. > >One of the obstacles to LiveCode's acceptance in the Real World is that >there's >a single point of failure: what happens if something happens to RunRev? >They go >out of business (now it's *me* thinking the unthinkable), they get >acquired by >Larry Ellison, they do the HyperCard thing and just disappear... > >With a closed source engine and no code escrow we're all out of luck. And >that's >a serious impediment for any company that's thinking about investing their >future in LiveCode as a platform. By open-sourcing the engine we've got >several >options. The community can take it forward, the code can get forked, our >investment is future-proof. The only things that wouldn't be covered are >the >parts that you would need a commercial license for: stack protection, >etc, and >that's the same situation we have today. It would be nice if a code escrow >arrangement could be worked out for those, but first things first. > >-- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > >...now that I've seen "cod escrow" I can't unsee it... > > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Feb 4 12:58:33 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:58:33 -0800 Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <510FF6C9.6080309@fourthworld.com> Kevin Miller wrote: > For example, it needs the ability to draw objects and take snapshots of > stacks but that's something that will be enabled by other work happening > on the graphics stuff as part of the platform rework for non-server > platforms anyway. Wow. So cool. That'll obviate a lot of need for imagemagick, opening up many new doors for LC Server. Will that be available next Tuesday? :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From kevin at runrev.com Mon Feb 4 13:00:38 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 18:00:38 +0000 Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: <510FF6C9.6080309@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Depends how much you pledge :) In all seriousness though, there is an ongoing project on this front which is definitely getting there now. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 04/02/2013 17:58, "Richard Gaskin" wrote: >Kevin Miller wrote: >> For example, it needs the ability to draw objects and take snapshots of >> stacks but that's something that will be enabled by other work happening >> on the graphics stuff as part of the platform rework for non-server >> platforms anyway. > >Wow. So cool. That'll obviate a lot of need for imagemagick, opening >up many new doors for LC Server. > >Will that be available next Tuesday? :) > >-- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From cmsheffield at icloud.com Mon Feb 4 13:02:32 2013 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 11:02:32 -0700 Subject: issue PUT html command In-Reply-To: References: <24480BA4-03FC-4AD9-BA91-0C1CEE687F70@icloud.com> Message-ID: <3AE633A2-30A3-4AE9-9090-38E29A72A2BF@icloud.com> Bernard, Yes, thank you. Actually, I've been looking at the one for iOS. It talks about setting up your own server, but I don't have the know-how nor the resources right now to do that. So when I found Urban Airship I was happy. So I just need to figure out how to send this command and I should be good. Or, I could possibly create an external that wraps their Obj-C api instead. The bad thing is, I really only need one function, and that's the one that registers a device. So I thought an external might be overkill, since they have this other method. Anyway, thanks for the link. Chris On Feb 4, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Have you seen this? I got the Android version working. > http://lessons.runrev.com/m/4069/l/59312 > > At the time when I was looking at it (last summer, I think) it seemed that > the iOS version was more common (more worked out). > > Bernard > > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > >> I'm not even sure that's the right terminology. This is kind of related to >> my last post about push notifications. I found a neat web site ( >> urbanairship.com) that has a server set up for sending push notifications >> to mobile devices. As far as I can tell, it's free to use. I'm still >> researching the details. Does anyone know anything about them? >> >> Anyway, they have an html api that allows for issuing certain commands, >> including registering device tokens, via PUT and GET. How do I do this with >> LiveCode? I haven't really done much of this kind of thing before. I'm sure >> it's easy, and will probably be obvious, but I'm not finding anything in >> the docs. >> >> Can anyone help? >> >> Thanks, >> Chris >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From th.douez at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 13:07:40 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 19:07:40 +0100 Subject: filter with a tab character In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2013/2/4 FlexibleLearning.com > I have tab-delimited list and am trying to filter lines. > > Q1. How do we include a TAB character in the expression? Using filter with > "*\tsomeText" fails. > see \s below > > Q2. How do we specify a maximum numeric value? Using filter with "*[<18]" > fails. > on mouseUp local tmp put fld 1 into tList -- \s match space and tab -- get "\s[0-9]\s" -- any 0 to 9 single number -- get "\s[1-4][0-9]\s" -- accept 10 to 49 -- get "\s[1-4]\d\s" -- accept 10 to 49 -- get "\s[1-4]?\d\s" -- accept 0 to 49 get "\s[1-4]?(\d){1,3}\s" -- accept 0 to 4999 repeat for each line L in tList if matchText( L, IT ) then put L &cr after tmp end repeat put tmp end mouseUp Forget about filter; it doesn't play with regex, just sort of... my fld test contains: hjkdf sdfsdflkj 987 dsf sdf sdf fgffg gf gf 4998 fd ddf ddfd fgffg gf gf 5000 fd ddf ddfd ere e re eeee1234567890eeeeeeeee gfgjfkgf dfglwer 0 fdfsla sdfsdf gfgjfkgf dfglwer 42 fdfsla sdfsdf try tytry retert 41 dfsdffdsd sdflk; asdf 33 dfdfdfsa dsfsdff kjklj jlkjlk 7 ljlkj lkjkjlkj jljljkl And it's fast. HTH, Thierry From th.douez at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 13:22:09 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 19:22:09 +0100 Subject: filter with a tab character In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Forgot one which maybe you need: get "\s([1-3]?\d|[4][0-2])\s" -- accept 0 to 42 Regards, Thierry 2013/2/4 Thierry Douez > > 2013/2/4 FlexibleLearning.com > > I have tab-delimited list and am trying to filter lines. >> >> Q1. How do we include a TAB character in the expression? Using filter with >> "*\tsomeText" fails. >> > > see \s below > > >> >> Q2. How do we specify a maximum numeric value? Using filter with "*[<18]" >> fails. >> > > > on mouseUp > local tmp > put fld 1 into tList > -- \s match space and tab > -- get "\s[0-9]\s" -- any 0 to 9 single number > -- get "\s[1-4][0-9]\s" -- accept 10 to 49 > -- get "\s[1-4]\d\s" -- accept 10 to 49 > -- get "\s[1-4]?\d\s" -- accept 0 to 49 > get "\s[1-4]?(\d){1,3}\s" -- accept 0 to 4999 > repeat for each line L in tList > if matchText( L, IT ) then put L &cr after tmp > end repeat > put tmp > end mouseUp > > Forget about filter; it doesn't play with regex, just sort of... > > my fld test contains: > > hjkdf sdfsdflkj 987 dsf sdf sdf > fgffg gf gf 4998 fd ddf ddfd > fgffg gf gf 5000 fd ddf ddfd > ere e re eeee1234567890eeeeeeeee > gfgjfkgf dfglwer 0 fdfsla sdfsdf > gfgjfkgf dfglwer 42 fdfsla sdfsdf > try tytry retert 41 dfsdffdsd > sdflk; asdf 33 dfdfdfsa dsfsdff > kjklj jlkjlk 7 ljlkj lkjkjlkj jljljkl > > > And it's fast. > > HTH, > > Thierry > > From admin at FlexibleLearning.com Mon Feb 4 13:34:33 2013 From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:34:33 -0000 Subject: filter with a tab character In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the insights. Much appreciated. The list to filter is not enormous, but the 'for each' option would also handle any numeric evaluations, so both solutions will be valuable. Hugh Senior FLCo Klaus wrote: > Am 04.02.2013 um 18:04 schrieb FlexibleLearning.com: > >> I have tab-delimited list and am trying to filter lines. >> >> Q1. How do we include a TAB character in the expression? Using filter with >> "*\tsomeText" fails. > > use the contant TAB: > ... > filter tList with ("*" & TAB & "whatever") Richard wrote: >While the filter command is seductively simple to use, if your rows have >many columns and you're filtering on one several columns in, you may >find "repeat for each" will be more efficient: > > From andrew at ctech.me Mon Feb 4 14:13:17 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 13:13:17 -0600 Subject: issue PUT html command In-Reply-To: <24480BA4-03FC-4AD9-BA91-0C1CEE687F70@icloud.com> References: <24480BA4-03FC-4AD9-BA91-0C1CEE687F70@icloud.com> Message-ID: put sVar into url "https://urbanaisrship.com/apidealaddressthing" --will accomplish a PUT and get url "https://urbanaisrship.com/apidealaddressthing" --will accomplish a GET! Isn't livecode grand? On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > I'm not even sure that's the right terminology. This is kind of related to my last post about push notifications. I found a neat web site (urbanairship.com) that has a server set up for sending push notifications to mobile devices. As far as I can tell, it's free to use. I'm still researching the details. Does anyone know anything about them? > > Anyway, they have an html api that allows for issuing certain commands, including registering device tokens, via PUT and GET. How do I do this with LiveCode? I haven't really done much of this kind of thing before. I'm sure it's easy, and will probably be obvious, but I'm not finding anything in the docs. > > Can anyone help? > > Thanks, > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From cmsheffield at icloud.com Mon Feb 4 14:53:46 2013 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 12:53:46 -0700 Subject: issue PUT html command In-Reply-To: References: <24480BA4-03FC-4AD9-BA91-0C1CEE687F70@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1D8FE02F-DB6E-4CC8-A770-1170C3EEBC8C@icloud.com> Excellent! I figured it had to be easy, and I wondered if it was accomplished using the normal put and get commands, but wasn't totally sure. Thanks for the tip. I do have one more question though. In the dictionary, it says that this is a blocking operation, so if for some reason the site is not available there could be a delay while the app waits for a response. The dictionary says to use libURLftpUpload instead for a non-blocking operation. Does anyone know if this can be used in the same way to accomplish a "PUT"? Thanks, Chris On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > put sVar into url "https://urbanaisrship.com/apidealaddressthing" > --will accomplish a PUT > > and > > get url "https://urbanaisrship.com/apidealaddressthing" --will accomplish a GET! > > Isn't livecode grand? > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: >> I'm not even sure that's the right terminology. This is kind of related to my last post about push notifications. I found a neat web site (urbanairship.com) that has a server set up for sending push notifications to mobile devices. As far as I can tell, it's free to use. I'm still researching the details. Does anyone know anything about them? >> >> Anyway, they have an html api that allows for issuing certain commands, including registering device tokens, via PUT and GET. How do I do this with LiveCode? I haven't really done much of this kind of thing before. I'm sure it's easy, and will probably be obvious, but I'm not finding anything in the docs. >> >> Can anyone help? >> >> Thanks, >> Chris >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > andrew at ctech.me > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From andrew at ctech.me Mon Feb 4 15:00:31 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:00:31 -0600 Subject: issue PUT html command In-Reply-To: <1D8FE02F-DB6E-4CC8-A770-1170C3EEBC8C@icloud.com> References: <24480BA4-03FC-4AD9-BA91-0C1CEE687F70@icloud.com> <1D8FE02F-DB6E-4CC8-A770-1170C3EEBC8C@icloud.com> Message-ID: I have not had much success in using libURL for put requests that are non-blocking. However, I have recently thought of taking most of my 'serious businesss' http calls to CURL. I have a libCURL library from someone somewhere (the late mark smith's?). On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > Excellent! I figured it had to be easy, and I wondered if it was accomplished using the normal put and get commands, but wasn't totally sure. > > Thanks for the tip. > > I do have one more question though. In the dictionary, it says that this is a blocking operation, so if for some reason the site is not available there could be a delay while the app waits for a response. The dictionary says to use libURLftpUpload instead for a non-blocking operation. Does anyone know if this can be used in the same way to accomplish a "PUT"? > > Thanks, > Chris > > > On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > >> put sVar into url "https://urbanaisrship.com/apidealaddressthing" >> --will accomplish a PUT >> >> and >> >> get url "https://urbanaisrship.com/apidealaddressthing" --will accomplish a GET! >> >> Isn't livecode grand? >> >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: >>> I'm not even sure that's the right terminology. This is kind of related to my last post about push notifications. I found a neat web site (urbanairship.com) that has a server set up for sending push notifications to mobile devices. As far as I can tell, it's free to use. I'm still researching the details. Does anyone know anything about them? >>> >>> Anyway, they have an html api that allows for issuing certain commands, including registering device tokens, via PUT and GET. How do I do this with LiveCode? I haven't really done much of this kind of thing before. I'm sure it's easy, and will probably be obvious, but I'm not finding anything in the docs. >>> >>> Can anyone help? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Andrew Kluthe >> andrew at ctech.me >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From sc at sahores-conseil.com Mon Feb 4 16:03:19 2013 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 22:03:19 +0100 Subject: mobile push notifications how-to In-Reply-To: <91E23B63-74C9-494B-A89E-F48B38DF7115@icloud.com> References: <91E23B63-74C9-494B-A89E-F48B38DF7115@icloud.com> Message-ID: In response to your previous question : 1.- The client side HTTP REST POST LC-client-side app button : > global DevicesList,MIAD > > on mouseUp > beep > if pm_length() <= 138 then > put "Envoi du message Push ? tous les prospects..." into fld "prompt" > set httpHeaders to "Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded" & return > get url MIAD > post URLEncode("authentpostkey=" & hexDigest("authentpostkeyvalue") & "&message=push&devices=" & DevicesList & "&badge=" & trim(fld "message_badge") & \ > "&title=" & trim(utf8encode(bslasher(fld "message_title"))) & "&abstract=" & trim(utf8encode(bslasher(fld "message_abstract")))) & \ > "&payload=" & trim(utf8encode(bslasher(fld "message_payload"))) to URL MIAD > put "Aucun traitement en cours..." into fld "prompt" > else answer "Erreur : votre message comporte" && pm_length() && "pour une limite APNS (Apple Push Notifications Server) support?e de 138 caract?res." && \ > "Merci de corriger votre message pour ?viter qu'il ne soit automatiquement rejet? par le serveur APNS de distribution de votre message vers les devices iOS" > end mouseUp where DevicesList contains the iOS and Android IDs of the devices you want to push the message too (out of a server-side SQL table you need to setup and interact with in HTTP REST POST for best results), MIAD targets the http path of the mobile push.lc script (see below) and function pm_length() verifies that the push message length don't exceeds the APNS practical allowed limit. 2.- mobile push.lc : the main server-side lc script to install in the cgi-bin directory (PostIn contains the client-side HTTP REST POST DATA) : > split PostIn by "&" and "=" > > ### APNS maxi : 100 000 par envoi ### --> Apple Push Notification Server > put url ("file:" & local path to ipush.php") into tpushvar > put tpushvar into tpushtmp > put "0" into tcpteur > repeat for each line l in PostIn["devices"] > if length(l) is "64" then > put "$devices[" & tcpteur & "] = '" & l & "';" & return after lesdevices > add 1 to tcpteur > end if > end repeat > replace "###devices###" with "$devices = Array();" & return & trim(lesdevices) in tpushvar > replace "###title###" with "$title = '" & PostIn["title"] & "';" in tpushvar > replace "###abstract###" with "$abstract = '" & PostIn["abstract"] & "';" in tpushvar > replace "###payload###" with "$payload = '" & PostIn["payload"] & "';" in tpushvar > replace "###badge###" with "$badge =" && PostIn["badge"] & ";" in tpushvar > replace "###authent###" with "$ck = 'path to your APNS private key';" in tpushvar > replace "###passwd###" with "$passphrase = 'your APNS passphrase';" in tpushvar > put tpushvar into url ("file:" & local path to ipush.php") > get url ("http path to ipush.php") > put tpushtmp into url ("file:" & local path to ipush.php") > put it into apnsreply > > ### GPNS maxi : 1000 par tranche envoy?e ### --> Google Push Notification Server > put "" into lesdevices > put url ("file:" & local path to apush.php") into tpushvar > put tpushvar into tpushtmp > repeat for each line l in PostIn["devices"] > if length(l) is not "64" > then put setquote(l) & "," after lesdevices > end repeat > put "1" into tranchenumber > put "1" into tranchestart > put "" into devicestranche[1] > if the num of items in lesdevices > 1000 then > repeat with c = 1 to 1+(the num of items in lesdevices div 1000) > put item tranchestart to 999+tranchestart of lesdevices into devicestranche[tranchenumber] > add 1 to tranchenumber > add 1000 to tranchestart > end repeat > end if > if devicestranche[1] is "" then > replace "###devices###" with char 1 to -2 of lesdevices in tpushvar > replace "###title###" with PostIn["title"] in tpushvar > replace "###abstract###" with PostIn["abstract"] in tpushvar > replace "###payload###" with PostIn["payload"] in tpushvar > replace "###badge###" with PostIn["badge"] in tpushvar > replace "###authent###" with "yourGPNSKey" in tpushvar > put tpushvar into url ("file:" & local path to apush.php") > get url ("http path to apush.php") > put tpushtmp into url ("file:" & local path to apush.php") > return it & return & apnsreply > else > repeat with c = 1 to -1+tranchenumber > replace "###devices###" with devicestranche[c] in tpushvar > replace "###title###" with PostIn["title"] in tpushvar > replace "###abstract###" with PostIn["abstract"] in tpushvar > replace "###payload###" with PostIn["payload"] in tpushvar > replace "###badge###" with PostIn["badge"] in tpushvar > replace "###authent###" with "yourGPNSKey" in tpushvar > put tpushvar into url ("file:" & local path to apush.php") > get url ("http path to apush.php") > put tpushtmp into tpushvar > end repeat > put tpushtmp into url ("file:" & local path to apush.php") > return it & return & apnsreply > end if 3.- Both those files need to be installed on your server : ipush.php : > > // gateway.sandbox.push.apple.com:2195 > // gateway.push.apple.com:2195 > > ###devices### > ###title### > ###abstract### > ###payload### > ###badge### > ###authent### > ###passwd### > > $ctx = stream_context_create(); > stream_context_set_option($ctx, 'ssl', 'local_cert', $ck); > stream_context_set_option($ctx, 'ssl', 'passphrase', $passphrase); > > $fp = stream_socket_client('ssl://gateway.sandbox.push.apple.com:2195', $err,$errstr, 60, STREAM_CLIENT_CONNECT|STREAM_CLIENT_PERSISTENT, $ctx); > > if (!$fp) exit("Failed to connect: $err $errstr" . PHP_EOL); > > $body['aps'] = array('alert' => $abstract,'badge' => intval($badge),'sound' => 'default'); > $body['title'] = $title; > $body['body'] = $abstract; > $body['payload'] = $payload; > > $fields = json_encode($body); > > $i=0; > while($devices[$i] != '') { > $msg = chr(0) . pack('n', 32) . pack('H*', $devices[$i]) . pack('n', strlen($fields)) . $fields; > > $result = fwrite($fp, $msg, strlen($msg)); > > if (!$result) echo '0' . PHP_EOL; > else echo 1+$i . PHP_EOL; > > $i++; > } > > fclose($fp); > > ?> apush.php : > > $registrationIDs = Array(###devices###); > $title = "###title###"; > $abstract = "###abstract###"; > $payload = "###payload###"; > $badge = "###badge###"; > $apiKey = "###authent###"; > $url = "https://android.googleapis.com/gcm/send"; > > $fields = array( > 'registration_ids' => $registrationIDs, > 'collapse_key' => 'abcdef', > 'data' => array('title' => $title, > 'alert' => $abstract, > 'body' => $abstract, > 'payload' => $payload, > 'badge' => intval($badge), > 'sound' => 'default' > ) > ); > > $headers = array('Authorization: key=' . $apiKey, 'Content-Type: application/json'); > > $ch = curl_init(); > > curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_URL, $url); > curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_HTTPHEADER, $headers); > curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_RETURNTRANSFER, true); > curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER, false); > curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_POST, true); > curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_POSTFIELDS, json_encode($fields)); > > $result = curl_exec($ch); > > curl_close($ch); > > echo $result; > > ?> As you can see, the Google push way to go is lots more advanced than the Apple's one, thousand times more advanced to be precise... HTH, Le 1 f?vr. 2013 ? 19:59, Chris Sheffield a ?crit : > Does anybody have a how-to guide for using push notifications? I've read through the dictionary and the iOS release notes about how to handle received notifications, but how does one actually send out a message? The docs mention a "Push Notification Server" and registering for the service, but I don't understand how you do that. Is it done through iTunes Connect somewhere? > > I'm probably just a little thick today, but I can't seem to figure this out. > > Thanks, > Chris > > > > -- > Chris Sheffield > Read Naturally, Inc. > www.readnaturally.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From bdrunrev at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 17:11:54 2013 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 22:11:54 +0000 Subject: issue PUT html command In-Reply-To: <3AE633A2-30A3-4AE9-9090-38E29A72A2BF@icloud.com> References: <24480BA4-03FC-4AD9-BA91-0C1CEE687F70@icloud.com> <3AE633A2-30A3-4AE9-9090-38E29A72A2BF@icloud.com> Message-ID: With regard to Android/Google, depending on where the data to be sent as notifications originates, it is possible to just send the notifications from your own PC to Google's server, and Google then routes them to the devices. I would hope it would be so simple with Apple. I guess if it was that simple with Apple, Urbanairship would not exist. Bernard On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > > It talks about setting up your own server, but I don't have the know-how > nor the resources right now to do that. So when I found Urban Airship I was > happy. > > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 4 20:47:16 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:47:16 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <271624521515.20130204174716@ahsoftware.net> Kevin- Monday, February 4, 2013, 9:53:46 AM, you wrote: > There will be a commercial code escrow option too, but that will be aimed > at larger companies and be specific to their individual use of the > platform. Yay! That should plug that loophole. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Feb 5 00:43:40 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 21:43:40 -0800 Subject: Location via WiFi on Mobile? Message-ID: Anyone know if the mobileSensorReading function works for "location" on iOS devices through WiFi? I can't seem to get any data from the function when testing a simple stack on an iPad2 and iPod. Using this script: get mobileSensorAvailable("location") if it is false then answer "Unable to use location." exit mouseUp end if -- mobileStartTrackingSensor "location", true put mobileSensorReading("location", true) into geoData mobileStopTrackingSensor "location" answer geoData Playing around with variations of this script, I either get "true" or empty in the geoData variable. Am I missing something? Most every app that does anything with location works fine using WiFi on these devices, so there's no issue with service. Any suggestions? Thanks & Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 5 00:52:27 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 23:52:27 -0600 Subject: Location via WiFi on Mobile? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51109E1B.10807@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/4/13 11:43 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Anyone know if the mobileSensorReading function works for "location" on iOS > devices through WiFi? I can't seem to get any data from the function when > testing a simple stack on an iPad2 and iPod. > > Using this script: > > get mobileSensorAvailable("location") > > if it is false then > > answer "Unable to use location." > > exit mouseUp > > end if > > -- > > mobileStartTrackingSensor "location", true > > put mobileSensorReading("location", true) into geoData > > mobileStopTrackingSensor "location" > > answer geoData > > > Playing around with variations of this script, I either get "true" or empty > in the geoData variable. Am I missing something? It looks like the detailed location (what you get when you specify "true" in the second param) will be an array, so after getting the geoData you'd need to parse out something like geoData["latitude"] or geoData["timestamp"]. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Feb 5 00:56:52 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 21:56:52 -0800 Subject: Location via WiFi on Mobile? In-Reply-To: <51109E1B.10807@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: [ forehead slap ] Doh. Thanks Jacque -- guess I wasn't reading the docs closely enough. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/4/13 9:52 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: >On 2/4/13 11:43 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: >> Anyone know if the mobileSensorReading function works for "location" on >>iOS >> devices through WiFi? I can't seem to get any data from the function >>when >> testing a simple stack on an iPad2 and iPod. >> >> Using this script: >> >> get mobileSensorAvailable("location") >> >> if it is false then >> >> answer "Unable to use location." >> >> exit mouseUp >> >> end if >> >> -- >> >> mobileStartTrackingSensor "location", true >> >> put mobileSensorReading("location", true) into geoData >> >> mobileStopTrackingSensor "location" >> >> answer geoData >> >> >> Playing around with variations of this script, I either get "true" or >>empty >> in the geoData variable. Am I missing something? > >It looks like the detailed location (what you get when you specify >"true" in the second param) will be an array, so after getting the >geoData you'd need to parse out something like geoData["latitude"] or >geoData["timestamp"]. > >-- >Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Feb 5 01:40:02 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:40:02 -0800 Subject: Location via WiFi on Mobile? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hmm, maybe spoke too soon. Still getting odd, inconsistent results. I thought maybe if mobileStartTrackingSensor was started using 'true' (non-accurate sources) that mobileSensorReading should be used with 'false' (not detailed). But trying each combination of booleans I still don't get a reliable result. This is weird. On a few occasions, the expected values were answered, but most of the time, I either get empty or the boolean used with mobileSensorReading in the answer dialog. Does it take time to start up location services? Is it possible that the device needs a few seconds of "warm up" time before it can return a meaningful result? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/4/13 9:56 PM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >[ forehead slap ] > >Doh. Thanks Jacque -- guess I wasn't reading the docs closely enough. > >Regards, > >Scott Rossi >Creative Director >Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > >On 2/4/13 9:52 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > >>On 2/4/13 11:43 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: >>> Anyone know if the mobileSensorReading function works for "location" on >>>iOS >>> devices through WiFi? I can't seem to get any data from the function >>>when >>> testing a simple stack on an iPad2 and iPod. >>> >>> Using this script: >>> >>> get mobileSensorAvailable("location") >>> >>> if it is false then >>> >>> answer "Unable to use location." >>> >>> exit mouseUp >>> >>> end if >>> >>> -- >>> >>> mobileStartTrackingSensor "location", true >>> >>> put mobileSensorReading("location", true) into geoData >>> >>> mobileStopTrackingSensor "location" >>> >>> answer geoData >>> >>> >>> Playing around with variations of this script, I either get "true" or >>>empty >>> in the geoData variable. Am I missing something? >> >>It looks like the detailed location (what you get when you specify >>"true" in the second param) will be an array, so after getting the >>geoData you'd need to parse out something like geoData["latitude"] or >>geoData["timestamp"]. >> >>-- >>Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >>HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>use-livecode mailing list >>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From sc at sahores-conseil.com Tue Feb 5 02:11:03 2013 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 08:11:03 +0100 Subject: Location via WiFi on Mobile? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9417534C-344B-4ECD-95C6-9D7C273C9699@sahores-conseil.com> In my experience : instant accurate calculation under iOS and, yes, need of a few seconds to get the accurate calculation under Android. Le 5 f?vr. 2013 ? 07:40, Scott Rossi a ?crit : > Does it take time to start up location services? Is it possible that the > device needs a few seconds of "warm up" time before it can return a > meaningful result? -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From kevin at runrev.com Tue Feb 5 07:36:34 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 12:36:34 +0000 Subject: Substitute "LiveCode" for "Scratch" In-Reply-To: <1359856744.79537.YahooMailClassic@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: We see LiveCode as the natural step up from Scratch. It is perfect for ages 13 to 18, just when kids start to outgrow Scratch. Which isn't to say that LC can't one day be dumbed down for the younger age group, but right now that is its sweet spot. I don't suppose anyone wants to go add a comment to this video with a link to our campaign? Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 03/02/2013 01:59, "Michael Kann" wrote: >http://www.ted.com/talks/mitch_resnick_let_s_teach_kids_to_code.html > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 07:57:58 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 14:57:58 +0200 Subject: Substitute "LiveCode" for "Scratch" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <511101D6.90307@gmail.com> > We see LiveCode as the natural step up from Scratch. It is perfect for > ages 13 to 18, just when kids start to outgrow Scratch. Which isn't to say > that LC can't one day be dumbed down for the younger age group, but right > now that is its sweet spot. I would say that Livecode is not "a natural step up from Scratch" because Scratch doesn't really resemble a programming language at all. I have taught children of 8 and up to achieve quite a few things with Livecode, and with NO dumbing down at all. I do feel that by mentioning dumbing down in this context you are under-estimating the capabilities of a lot of children younger than 13. > > I don't suppose anyone wants to go add a comment to this video with a link > to our campaign? > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App > > From kevin at runrev.com Tue Feb 5 08:11:12 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 13:11:12 +0000 Subject: Substitute "LiveCode" for "Scratch" In-Reply-To: <511101D6.90307@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes of course you can teach any age with it and we would like it used for everything. However there are many that would disagree with respect to the younger age groups who are getting good mileage with Scratch. No one will disagree about the age range 13 to 18 - at least certainly none of the hundreds of teachers I have spoken to. We have nearly a quarter of high schools in Scotland using LC to teach now for that reason. If we stick to pushing the areas we are strong we may pick up market share and reputation and that will be a great platform to expand our reach later. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 05/02/2013 12:57, "Richmond" wrote: > >> We see LiveCode as the natural step up from Scratch. It is perfect for >> ages 13 to 18, just when kids start to outgrow Scratch. Which isn't to >>say >> that LC can't one day be dumbed down for the younger age group, but >>right >> now that is its sweet spot. > >I would say that Livecode is not "a natural step up from Scratch" because >Scratch doesn't really resemble a programming language at all. > >I have taught children of 8 and up to achieve quite a few things with >Livecode, >and with NO dumbing down at all. > >I do feel that by mentioning dumbing down in this context you are >under-estimating the capabilities of a lot of children younger than 13. > >> >> I don't suppose anyone wants to go add a comment to this video with a >>link >> to our campaign? >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Kevin >> >> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >> LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From larsbrehmer at mac.com Tue Feb 5 12:09:51 2013 From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:09:51 +0200 Subject: compatability of rev stacks and livecode stacks in a standalone? Message-ID: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> I have an app which is a splash screen that contains all of the real program stacks compressed as custom properties. When the standalone is launched the first time, it creates a folder, open decompressed those stacks and saves them into that folder. From that point on, launching the standalone opens those stacks and the app runs. Pretty standard stuff I assume. >From this point on when the app is launched it looks for an update on my website before the main stack is launched. If there is an update, it is a stack that contains the new main stack again as a compressed custom property, opens it decompressed and saves it into that folder, replacing the older stack. So far so good. It has always worked. The original app was done in runRev 2.8. I have since upgraded to liveCode 5.2 and redone the app completely- splash screen, compressed stacks etc. But the updater doesn't work anymore and I think is because of the older runRev 2.8 stacks. In the rev 2.8 IDE it doesn't work. The update script errors out the moment a newer liveCode stack is referred to. This updater stack is a rev 2.8 stack, containing custom properties that are compressed liveCode stacks. If I open a copy of the rev 2.8 splash screen stack in liveCode, the update stack works perfectly. LiveCode recognizes and opens the rev 2.8 update stack, opens it and performs the update with the newer compressed liveCode stacks. But it doesn't work in the standalone. The updater stack crashes, presumably at the point where it should decompress and open the custom property stacks. Does this mean that the rev 2.8 standalone engine also doesn't recognize liveCode stacks? That seems logical to me, but if this is the case, is there any way around it? This is way beyond my runRev & liveCode abilities and help would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, Lars From bonnmike at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 13:13:49 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 11:13:49 -0700 Subject: compatability of rev stacks and livecode stacks in a standalone? In-Reply-To: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> References: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> Message-ID: You can save the stacks in legacy format at which point your 2.8 stack should be able to open them. You won't get the benefits of the newer stuff using a 2.8 engine of course, but if this is ok with you then the legacy format should solve it. I think the stack format change happened around 5.5.1 If you have a more recent ide version it might be worthwhile to update your 2.8 stack to current so you get the benefits associated. (faster rendering engine, the recent field updates etc) On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Lars Brehmer wrote: > I have an app which is a splash screen that contains all of the real > program stacks compressed as custom properties. When the standalone is > launched the first time, it creates a folder, open decompressed those > stacks and saves them into that folder. From that point on, launching the > standalone opens those stacks and the app runs. Pretty standard stuff I > assume. > > From this point on when the app is launched it looks for an update on my > website before the main stack is launched. If there is an update, it is a > stack that contains the new main stack again as a compressed custom > property, opens it decompressed and saves it into that folder, replacing > the older stack. So far so good. It has always worked. > > The original app was done in runRev 2.8. > > I have since upgraded to liveCode 5.2 and redone the app completely- > splash screen, compressed stacks etc. > > But the updater doesn't work anymore and I think is because of the older > runRev 2.8 stacks. In the rev 2.8 IDE it doesn't work. The update script > errors out the moment a newer liveCode stack is referred to. This updater > stack is a rev 2.8 stack, containing custom properties that are compressed > liveCode stacks. > > If I open a copy of the rev 2.8 splash screen stack in liveCode, the > update stack works perfectly. LiveCode recognizes and opens the rev 2.8 > update stack, opens it and performs the update with the newer compressed > liveCode stacks. > > But it doesn't work in the standalone. The updater stack crashes, > presumably at the point where it should decompress and open the custom > property stacks. Does this mean that the rev 2.8 standalone engine also > doesn't recognize liveCode stacks? That seems logical to me, but if this is > the case, is there any way around it? > > This is way beyond my runRev & liveCode abilities and help would be > greatly appreciated! > > Cheers, > > Lars > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 13:16:42 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 20:16:42 +0200 Subject: compatability of rev stacks and livecode stacks in a standalone? In-Reply-To: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> References: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> Message-ID: <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> On 02/05/2013 07:09 PM, Lars Brehmer wrote: > I have an app which is a splash screen that contains all of the real program stacks compressed as custom properties. When the standalone is launched the first time, it creates a folder, open decompressed those stacks and saves them into that folder. From that point on, launching the standalone opens those stacks and the app runs. Pretty standard stuff I assume. Ha, flipping-well, ha! you know full well that having program stacks compressed as custom properties is most definitely NOT "pretty standard stuff", and you are 'trailing your coat' like nobody's business. Mind you, if you have managed that you deserve a lot of kudos! > > From this point on when the app is launched it looks for an update on my website before the main stack is launched. If there is an update, it is a stack that contains the new main stack again as a compressed custom property, opens it decompressed and saves it into that folder, replacing the older stack. So far so good. It has always worked. > > The original app was done in runRev 2.8. 'done'; surely 'made' is the better verb in this case? > > I have since upgraded to liveCode 5.2 and redone the app completely- splash screen, compressed stacks etc. > > But the updater doesn't work anymore and I think is because of the older runRev 2.8 stacks. In the rev 2.8 IDE it doesn't work. The update script errors out the moment a newer liveCode stack is referred to. This updater stack is a rev 2.8 stack, containing custom properties that are compressed liveCode stacks. As far as I recall RunRev/Livecode, aprt from going through a name change, has gone through 2 stack format changes since 2.8 (maybe the first stack format change was pre 2.8 - honestly cannot remember, and I'm sure there are lots of folks here on the use-list who will leap in to correct me - "putting Richmond straight" being a sort of ongoing hobby round these parts; not that I mind, having an ego almost as big as yours) and that will throw a bih whammy in your system. > > If I open a copy of the rev 2.8 splash screen stack in liveCode, the update stack works perfectly. LiveCode recognizes and opens the rev 2.8 update stack, opens it and performs the update with the newer compressed liveCode stacks. > > But it doesn't work in the standalone. The updater stack crashes, presumably at the point where it should decompress and open the custom property stacks. Does this mean that the rev 2.8 standalone engine also doesn't recognize liveCode stacks? No: the RunRev 2.8 engine will NOT recognise Livecode stacks for 2 reasons: 1. the suffix of Livecode stacks is .livecode and not .rev. 2. The stack format has been changed. > That seems logical to me, but if this is the case, is there any way around it? Right; probably a daft idea, but, then again, maybe not . . . Dig all of your stacks out of the custom prop, save them in the latest stack format, push them back inside the custom prop, run off a new standalone and, fingers crossed . . . > > This is way beyond my runRev & liveCode abilities and help would be greatly appreciated! Well, my "runrev & liveCode abilities" are not vast, but it does seem that all the stacks should be in the same format and have the same suffixation. [Isn't that just a lovely word: 'suffixation' ?] > > Cheers, > > Lars > > > Give us some feedback as to how this goes, please. Richmond. From bonnmike at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 13:22:14 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 11:22:14 -0700 Subject: compatability of rev stacks and livecode stacks in a standalone? In-Reply-To: <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> References: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> Message-ID: Just realized you rebuilt the part with the engine with 5.5.2 (yes mike, reading is a good first step) you might check in your LC preferences and see if the checkbox for "preserve stack file versions for stacks saved in legacy format" is not checked. If it is, go in and manually "save as" to change to the most recent stack file version. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 02/05/2013 07:09 PM, Lars Brehmer wrote: > >> I have an app which is a splash screen that contains all of the real >> program stacks compressed as custom properties. When the standalone is >> launched the first time, it creates a folder, open decompressed those >> stacks and saves them into that folder. From that point on, launching the >> standalone opens those stacks and the app runs. Pretty standard stuff I >> assume. >> > > Ha, flipping-well, ha! > > you know full well that having program stacks compressed as custom > properties is most definitely NOT "pretty standard stuff", and you are > 'trailing your coat' like nobody's business. > > Mind you, if you have managed that you deserve a lot of kudos! > > >> From this point on when the app is launched it looks for an update on my >> website before the main stack is launched. If there is an update, it is a >> stack that contains the new main stack again as a compressed custom >> property, opens it decompressed and saves it into that folder, replacing >> the older stack. So far so good. It has always worked. >> >> The original app was done in runRev 2.8. >> > > 'done'; surely 'made' is the better verb in this case? > > >> I have since upgraded to liveCode 5.2 and redone the app completely- >> splash screen, compressed stacks etc. >> >> But the updater doesn't work anymore and I think is because of the older >> runRev 2.8 stacks. In the rev 2.8 IDE it doesn't work. The update script >> errors out the moment a newer liveCode stack is referred to. This updater >> stack is a rev 2.8 stack, containing custom properties that are compressed >> liveCode stacks. >> > > As far as I recall RunRev/Livecode, aprt from going through a name change, > has gone through 2 stack format changes since 2.8 > > (maybe the first stack format change was pre 2.8 - honestly cannot > remember, and I'm sure there are lots of folks here on the > use-list who will leap in to correct me - "putting Richmond straight" > being a sort of ongoing hobby round these parts; not that I mind, having > an ego almost as big as yours) > > and that will throw a bih whammy in your system. > > >> If I open a copy of the rev 2.8 splash screen stack in liveCode, the >> update stack works perfectly. LiveCode recognizes and opens the rev 2.8 >> update stack, opens it and performs the update with the newer compressed >> liveCode stacks. >> >> But it doesn't work in the standalone. The updater stack crashes, >> presumably at the point where it should decompress and open the custom >> property stacks. Does this mean that the rev 2.8 standalone engine also >> doesn't recognize liveCode stacks? >> > > No: the RunRev 2.8 engine will NOT recognise Livecode stacks for 2 reasons: > > 1. the suffix of Livecode stacks is .livecode and not .rev. > > 2. The stack format has been changed. > > That seems logical to me, but if this is the case, is there any way >> around it? >> > > Right; probably a daft idea, but, then again, maybe not . . . > > Dig all of your stacks out of the custom prop, save them in the latest > stack format, push them back inside the custom prop, run off a new > standalone and, fingers crossed . . . > > >> This is way beyond my runRev & liveCode abilities and help would be >> greatly appreciated! >> > > Well, my "runrev & liveCode abilities" are not vast, but it does seem that > all the stacks should be in the same format and have the same suffixation. > > [Isn't that just a lovely word: 'suffixation' ?] > > >> Cheers, >> >> Lars >> >> >> >> > Give us some feedback as to how this goes, please. > > Richmond. > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 5 13:34:15 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 12:34:15 -0600 Subject: compatability of rev stacks and livecode stacks in a standalone? In-Reply-To: <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> References: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <511150A7.6070601@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/5/13 12:16 PM, Richmond wrote: > As far as I recall RunRev/Livecode, aprt from going through a name > change, has gone through 2 stack format changes since 2.8 > > (maybe the first stack format change was pre 2.8 - honestly cannot > remember, and I'm sure there are lots of folks here on the > use-list who will leap in to correct me - "putting Richmond straight" > being a sort of ongoing hobby round these parts; not that I mind, having > an ego almost as big as yours) One of my favorite hobbies. :) The stack file format changed at 2.7, and again at 5.5. There was no 5.2 release, so I have to assume he means 5.5. And yes, those stacks can't be opened by the 2.8 engine. > No: the RunRev 2.8 engine will NOT recognise Livecode stacks for 2 reasons: > > 1. the suffix of Livecode stacks is .livecode and not .rev. The suffix doesn't matter. You can invent your own, use .mc, .rev or .livecode or anything else. The engine ignores the file name and looks at the stack file format. > > 2. The stack format has been changed. Right, that's the reason. > Dig all of your stacks out of the custom prop, save them in the latest > stack format, push them back inside the custom prop, run off a new > standalone and, fingers crossed . . . That would work. Or just recompiling the standalone in 5.5 would also work. The new engine can open older stacks all the way back to version 1.0. > [Isn't that just a lovely word: 'suffixation' ?] Makes me gasp for breath. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 5 13:47:53 2013 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:47:53 -0800 Subject: Substitute "LiveCode" for "Scratch" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <563DDC5C-DEF8-4BBE-AA39-6A98D1F525C2@sbcglobal.net> I saw this and my first thought for LiveCode was native Turtle Graphics talking to sprites. JIm Hurley > > Message: 18 > Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 14:57:58 +0200 > From: Richmond > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: Substitute "LiveCode" for "Scratch" > Message-ID: <511101D6.90307 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > >> We see LiveCode as the natural step up from Scratch. It is perfect for >> ages 13 to 18, just when kids start to outgrow Scratch. Which isn't to say >> that LC can't one day be dumbed down for the younger age group, but right >> now that is its sweet spot. > > I would say that Livecode is not "a natural step up from Scratch" because > Scratch doesn't really resemble a programming language at all. > > I have taught children of 8 and up to achieve quite a few things with > Livecode, > and with NO dumbing down at all. > > I do feel that by mentioning dumbing down in this context you are > under-estimating the capabilities of a lot of children younger than 13. > >> >> I don't suppose anyone wants to go add a comment to this video with a link >> to our campaign? >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Kevin >> >> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >> LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App >> >> > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 5 14:28:27 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 19:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: compatability of rev stacks and livecode stacks in a standalone? References: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> <511150A7.6070601@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: J. Landman Gay writes: > > [Isn't that just a lovely word: 'suffixation' ?] > > Makes me gasp for breath. :) Maybe you're thinking of affixation... -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 5 14:35:45 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 14:35:45 -0500 Subject: [OT] vote for my app... Message-ID: <6203F9B7-585A-4154-81B2-47973EBDCD32@verizon.net> I feel slightly cheeky in asking this, but an app that was originally due to be done in LiveCode, but that I argued should be in Flash, is up for an award. I think some of you downloaded the app anyway, and I don't think you need to own the app to vote (you do need a Twitter account). Anyway, if any of you would be so kind as to tweet a vote, here's the page: http://shortyawards.com/LoveHeckerty From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Tue Feb 5 14:50:05 2013 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:50:05 +0100 Subject: [OT] vote for my app... In-Reply-To: <6203F9B7-585A-4154-81B2-47973EBDCD32@verizon.net> References: <6203F9B7-585A-4154-81B2-47973EBDCD32@verizon.net> Message-ID: It was me a pleasure. ;) Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- "Life is too short for boring code" SkypeName:matthiasrebbe Am 05.02.2013 um 20:35 schrieb Colin Holgate : > I feel slightly cheeky in asking this, but an app that was originally due to be done in LiveCode, but that I argued should be in Flash, is up for an award. I think some of you downloaded the app anyway, and I don't think you need to own the app to vote (you do need a Twitter account). > > Anyway, if any of you would be so kind as to tweet a vote, here's the page: > > http://shortyawards.com/LoveHeckerty > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 5 14:58:38 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 14:58:38 -0500 Subject: [OT] vote for my app... In-Reply-To: References: <6203F9B7-585A-4154-81B2-47973EBDCD32@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4271B744-4089-4421-B47E-D3A6CBFCBA2E@verizon.net> Thanks (you and someone else)! They are very low voting numbers, so that was enough to put us into 5th place on our own, 10 votes away from being in 4th place. On Feb 5, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Matthias Rebbe wrote: > It was me a pleasure. ;) From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 5 14:58:34 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 19:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: revOnline down again? Message-ID: I can log onto revOnline from the IDE menu, from the File menu (Share this Stack) and from a browser. But I can't update stacks or make any changes. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 15:02:37 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 22:02:37 +0200 Subject: compatability of rev stacks and livecode stacks in a standalone? In-Reply-To: References: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> <511150A7.6070601@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <5111655D.9090706@gmail.com> On 02/05/2013 09:28 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > J. Landman Gay writes: > >>> [Isn't that just a lovely word: 'suffixation' ?] >> Makes me gasp for breath. :) > Maybe you're thinking of affixation... > Suffixes go on the end, prefixes go on the front, and infixes go somewhere in the middle. 'Affixation' is a general term that covers all three. And we can now move to the logical corollary that as well as suffocation we should have 'inffocation' and 'preffocation' . . . LOL From skip at magicgate.com Tue Feb 5 15:07:06 2013 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 15:07:06 -0500 Subject: [OT] vote for my app... In-Reply-To: <6203F9B7-585A-4154-81B2-47973EBDCD32@verizon.net> References: <6203F9B7-585A-4154-81B2-47973EBDCD32@verizon.net> Message-ID: Voted twice... once via twitter and once via FB. Good luck! SKIP On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > I feel slightly cheeky in asking this, but an app that was originally due > to be done in LiveCode, but that I argued should be in Flash, is up for an > award. I think some of you downloaded the app anyway, and I don't think you > need to own the app to vote (you do need a Twitter account). > > Anyway, if any of you would be so kind as to tweet a vote, here's the page: > > http://shortyawards.com/LoveHeckerty > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pete at lcsql.com Tue Feb 5 15:08:08 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 12:08:08 -0800 Subject: compatability of rev stacks and livecode stacks in a standalone? In-Reply-To: <5111655D.9090706@gmail.com> References: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> <511150A7.6070601@hyperactivesw.com> <5111655D.9090706@gmail.com> Message-ID: How about "asphyxiation". Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 02/05/2013 09:28 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> J. Landman Gay writes: >> >> [Isn't that just a lovely word: 'suffixation' ?] >>>> >>> Makes me gasp for breath. :) >>> >> Maybe you're thinking of affixation... >> >> > Suffixes go on the end, prefixes go on the front, and infixes go somewhere > in the middle. > > 'Affixation' is a general term that covers all three. > > And we can now move to the logical corollary that as well as suffocation > we should have > 'inffocation' and 'preffocation' . . . LOL > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 5 15:16:37 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: compatability of rev stacks and livecode stacks in a standalone? References: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> <511150A7.6070601@hyperactivesw.com> <5111655D.9090706@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richmond writes: > And we can now move to the logical corollary that as well as suffocation > we should have > 'inffocation' and 'preffocation' . . . LOL I assume that you're familiar with the work of Jasper Fforde... -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 15:42:48 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 22:42:48 +0200 Subject: compatability of rev stacks and livecode stacks in a standalone? In-Reply-To: References: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> <511150A7.6070601@hyperactivesw.com> <5111655D.9090706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51116EC8.7040505@gmail.com> On 02/05/2013 10:16 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Richmond writes: > >> And we can now move to the logical corollary that as well as suffocation >> we should have >> 'inffocation' and 'preffocation' . . . LOL > I assume that you're familiar with the work of Jasper Fforde... > No, I'm not ffamiliar with that man with a ffine sounding name. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Feb 5 16:43:43 2013 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 16:43:43 -0500 Subject: Washington DC LiveCode User Group Message-ID: I'm trying to organize a Washington DC LiveCode user group. I have started a group on LinkedIn. If you are in the area and interested in getting together with other developers then please sign up. http://www.linkedin.com/groups/LiveCode-Washington-DC-User-Group-4837481 I would like to have our first meeting sometime this month. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.clarify-it.com - www.screensteps.com From slylabs13 at me.com Tue Feb 5 16:59:46 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 13:59:46 -0800 Subject: compatability of rev stacks and livecode stacks in a standalone? In-Reply-To: <51116EC8.7040505@gmail.com> References: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> <511150A7.6070601@hyperactivesw.com> <5111655D.9090706@gmail.com> <51116EC8.7040505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6A0BB433-C921-4216-8DD8-E1EF87312EBD@me.com> I was going to say, what is the grammatical significance of beginning a word or name with two F's? Is it pronounced differently than one F? Bob On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 02/05/2013 10:16 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> Richmond writes: >> >>> And we can now move to the logical corollary that as well as suffocation >>> we should have >>> 'inffocation' and 'preffocation' . . . LOL >> I assume that you're familiar with the work of Jasper Fforde... >> > > No, I'm not ffamiliar with that man with a ffine sounding name. From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 5 18:49:26 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:49:26 -0500 Subject: ads in the kickstarted page Message-ID: <1F9644D9-F937-4417-8D4C-9494C3D4E685@verizon.net> The video that shows the differences between other languages and LiveCode is set to show Google ads. That doesn't seem right, does it? From mkoob at rogers.com Tue Feb 5 20:36:50 2013 From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 17:36:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Toronto Meetup Message-ID: <1360114609849-4660237.post@n4.nabble.com> Inspired by the other LiveCode meet-ups being organized recently I was wondering if there are LiveCode Developers in the Toronto and GTA area who would like to get together in the next couple of weeks. I have been offered a space to host at a local centre that supports new ventures and entrepreneurs that I am working with in downtown Toronto. First I want to see if there is interest from existing LiveCode users. Again as others have said already this would be a chance for existing users to meet-up and also promote LiveCode and the Kickstarter campaign beyond the community of existing LiveCode developers. Let me know if you are interested by replying to this, or off list if you wish. Martin Koob -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Toronto-Meetup-tp4660237.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 5 20:37:37 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 17:37:37 -0800 Subject: [OT] vote for my app... In-Reply-To: <6203F9B7-585A-4154-81B2-47973EBDCD32@verizon.net> References: <6203F9B7-585A-4154-81B2-47973EBDCD32@verizon.net> Message-ID: <6031771468.20130205173737@ahsoftware.net> Colin- Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 11:35:45 AM, you wrote: > I feel slightly cheeky in asking this, but an app that was > originally due to be done in LiveCode, but that I argued should be > in Flash, is up for an award. I think some of you downloaded the app > anyway, and I don't think you need to own the app to vote (you do > need a Twitter account). I was gonna vote, but when I went to sign in I got to "Authorize Shorty Awards to use your account? This application will be able to: Read Tweets from your timeline. See who you follow, and follow new people. Update your profile. Post Tweets for you." So, sorry, but I'll pass. Good luck with the voting. Am I the only one who reads these things? Or cares? -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 5 20:45:11 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 20:45:11 -0500 Subject: [OT] vote for my app... In-Reply-To: <6031771468.20130205173737@ahsoftware.net> References: <6203F9B7-585A-4154-81B2-47973EBDCD32@verizon.net> <6031771468.20130205173737@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: I will alert the authorities. I see that it's a general concern with Twitter, and may be in the small print of every Twitter app out there: https://dev.twitter.com/discussions/1325 From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 5 20:46:07 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 17:46:07 -0800 Subject: OT: Jasper Fforde In-Reply-To: <51116EC8.7040505@gmail.com> References: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> <511150A7.6070601@hyperactivesw.com> <5111655D.9090706@gmail.com> <51116EC8.7040505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3032281218.20130205174607@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 12:42:48 PM, you wrote: > No, I'm not ffamiliar with that man with a ffine sounding name. >From Fforde's website, a bit about the Thursday Next series of books, which I wholeheartedly recommend to anyone who still remembers what reading physical books is all about (and start at the beginning because they'll make more sense that way): 1: The Thursday Next series. Thursday Next is a detective who works for Jurisfiction, the policing agency that works inside fiction. The books are set in an odd alternative world, and blends SF, Fantasy, Literature, Horror, and a bit of romance. This is how I recently described the series: They are a series of books based upon the notion that what we read in books is just a small part of a larger BookWorld that exists behind the page. A fantastical place populated by off-duty and sometimes mischievous bookpeople from the Classics to Fanfiction, and ruled over by the wheezing bureaucracy known as The council of Genres. It is their task to maintain the pageant and integrity of the books within their charge, and these efforts are sometimes thwarted by the very evildoers and bizarre plot devices that give the Bookworld its appeal. Aided in this endeavour but sometimes disagreeing with them are Jurisfiction, the policing agency within Fiction. The adventures follow one of their operatives: A woman from the Realworld named Thursday Next, whose reality-based credentials bring a dimension of independent thought to the proceedings, something that is often absent in the mostly predetermined Bookworld. Confused? Excellent - turn to page one and start reading! (Seven books so far: The Eyre Affair, Lost in a Good Book, The Well of Lost Plots, Something Rotten, First Among Sequels and One of our Thursdays is Missing and The Woman Who Died a Lot (2012) -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 5 20:47:52 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 17:47:52 -0800 Subject: ads in the kickstarted page In-Reply-To: <1F9644D9-F937-4417-8D4C-9494C3D4E685@verizon.net> References: <1F9644D9-F937-4417-8D4C-9494C3D4E685@verizon.net> Message-ID: <16332386218.20130205174752@ahsoftware.net> Colin- Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 3:49:26 PM, you wrote: > The video that shows the differences between other languages and > LiveCode is set to show Google ads. That doesn't seem right, does it? I'm not seeing ads. Where are they? Superimposed on the video? Before the video? Off to the side? What browser? -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 5 20:54:58 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 20:54:58 -0500 Subject: ads in the kickstarted page In-Reply-To: <16332386218.20130205174752@ahsoftware.net> References: <1F9644D9-F937-4417-8D4C-9494C3D4E685@verizon.net> <16332386218.20130205174752@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: As is common with YouTube videos, there is a yellow bar that appears in the scrubber of the video controller. It doesn't appear until after a few seconds of the video playing (the "students just get it" one). At 10 seconds an overlay ad appears. Just now I got one about audiojungle, whatever that is. Earlier on I had one about some sort of energy pill. On Feb 5, 2013, at 8:47 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > I'm not seeing ads. Where are they? Superimposed on the video? Before > the video? Off to the side? What browser? From dochawk at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 23:59:32 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 20:59:32 -0800 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > There will be a commercial code escrow option too, but that will be aimed > at larger companies and be specific to their individual use of the > platform. I'm small, though. Far larger than hobbyist; will probably become a company with a half-dozen employees and a few million a year in revenue (more than $2M; less than $10M). Maintaining/modifying LiveCode itself would be more expensive than redeveloping for another platform. A collective effort to maintain the commercial codebase, though, would be another story. OK, planning for one's own unwanted demise is not pleasant, but I do estate planning law, too :) -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From dochawk at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 00:16:22 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 21:16:22 -0800 Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: References: <510FED45.6010605@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > This is it exactly. When selecting the license we looked very closely at > the competitive landscape. GPL will play nicely given our competitive > strengths as a desktop/mobile framework. But to do AGPL with the server > version would be a mistake. This still leaves the GPL 2/3 question. And if you use 2, whether you want to license as 2 only, or as "or any later version." -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 6 00:27:44 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 16:27:44 +1100 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06/02/2013, at 3:59 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: >> There will be a commercial code escrow option too, but that will be aimed >> at larger companies and be specific to their individual use of the >> platform. > > I'm small, though. > > Far larger than hobbyist; will probably become a company with a > half-dozen employees and a few million a year in revenue (more than > $2M; less than $10M). > > Maintaining/modifying LiveCode itself would be more expensive than > redeveloping for another platform. > > A collective effort to maintain the commercial codebase, though, would > be another story. > > OK, planning for one's own unwanted demise is not pleasant, but I do > estate planning law, too :) In the event that LiveCode does become open source (which I'm starting to wonder if it's going to happen given the runs on the board so far) there will be a community of people that have an interest in maintaining the GPL source which is 99.9% of the commercial source so whoever the asset ends up in the hands of I'd be surprised if they weren't at least prepared to stick a part time dev in a dungeon somewhere to build commercial versions that people would be interested in purchasing. The return on investment would be pretty good at least as long as the contributor community was strong. Of course if it's not open source and there's no contributor community then app bets are off. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Feb 6 01:35:24 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 22:35:24 -0800 Subject: Location via WiFi on Mobile? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Answering my own question... After messing around with this for several hours (and some gracious off-list suggestions from John Dixon), it seems that a delay is indeed necessary between first calling mobileStartTrackingSensor and actually trying to get the location. I wound up essentially doing this: mobileStartTrackingSensor "location", false wait 1000 millisecs with messages -- IMPORTANT get mobileSensorReading("location", false) It seems that AT LEAST a 1 second delay is required. It may be that a longer delay may be necessary "out in the field". Boring testing details follow -- feel free to ignore... I was testing on 3 devices: an iPad 2, and iPhone 4, and an iPod touch, all via wifi -- and discovered an odd behavior. The iPad and iPhone repeatedly failed at attempts to retrieve location, while the iPod worked consistently. All were running the same block of code from the same LC stack. For the life of me, I could not figure out what the difference was, until checking the iOS versions: the iPod was running an older system version (all are using a flavor of iOS 5). Perhaps Apple added additional "goodness" to more recent versions of iOS, so location services take longer to start. And I haven't even tested on iOS 6 yet. I don't know how one would ever be able to track this down, much less troubleshoot it, without having access to multiple devices. Anyway, the lesson learned here: when in doubt, delay. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/4/13 10:40 PM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >Hmm, maybe spoke too soon. Still getting odd, inconsistent results. > >I thought maybe if mobileStartTrackingSensor was started using 'true' >(non-accurate sources) that mobileSensorReading should be used with >'false' (not detailed). But trying each combination of booleans I still >don't get a reliable result. > >This is weird. On a few occasions, the expected values were answered, but >most of the time, I either get empty or the boolean used with >mobileSensorReading in the answer dialog. > >Does it take time to start up location services? Is it possible that the >device needs a few seconds of "warm up" time before it can return a >meaningful result? > >Regards, > >Scott Rossi >Creative Director >Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > >On 2/4/13 9:56 PM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: > >>[ forehead slap ] >> >>Doh. Thanks Jacque -- guess I wasn't reading the docs closely enough. >> >>Regards, >> >>Scott Rossi >>Creative Director >>Tactile Media, UX Design >> >> >> >> >>On 2/4/13 9:52 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: >> >>>On 2/4/13 11:43 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: >>>> Anyone know if the mobileSensorReading function works for "location" >>>>on >>>>iOS >>>> devices through WiFi? I can't seem to get any data from the function >>>>when >>>> testing a simple stack on an iPad2 and iPod. >>>> >>>> Using this script: >>>> >>>> get mobileSensorAvailable("location") >>>> >>>> if it is false then >>>> >>>> answer "Unable to use location." >>>> >>>> exit mouseUp >>>> >>>> end if >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> mobileStartTrackingSensor "location", true >>>> >>>> put mobileSensorReading("location", true) into geoData >>>> >>>> mobileStopTrackingSensor "location" >>>> >>>> answer geoData >>>> >>>> >>>> Playing around with variations of this script, I either get "true" or >>>>empty >>>> in the geoData variable. Am I missing something? >>> >>>It looks like the detailed location (what you get when you specify >>>"true" in the second param) will be an array, so after getting the >>>geoData you'd need to parse out something like geoData["latitude"] or >>>geoData["timestamp"]. >>> >>>-- >>>Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >>>HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>use-livecode mailing list >>>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>subscription preferences: >>>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>use-livecode mailing list >>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 6 01:41:35 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 17:41:35 +1100 Subject: Location via WiFi on Mobile? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A1FBA50-BF90-4C0C-A049-60C48A8353B7@sweattechnologies.com> Why not handle locationChanged? Much more robust than waiting 1 second. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 06/02/2013, at 5:35 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > mobileStartTrackingSensor "location", false > wait 1000 millisecs with messages -- IMPORTANT > get mobileSensorReading("location", false From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Feb 6 03:00:17 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:00:17 -0800 Subject: Location via WiFi on Mobile? In-Reply-To: <5A1FBA50-BF90-4C0C-A049-60C48A8353B7@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Why is locationChanged more robust than directly querying the sensor? Anyway, the issue still seems to be the same. The devices running iOS 5.1.1 display no data while the iOS 5.1 device does. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/5/13 10:41 PM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: >Why not handle locationChanged? Much more robust than waiting 1 second. > >-- >M E R Goulding >Software development services > >mergExt - There's an external for that! > >On 06/02/2013, at 5:35 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> mobileStartTrackingSensor "location", false >> wait 1000 millisecs with messages -- IMPORTANT >> get mobileSensorReading("location", false > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 03:10:11 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 10:10:11 +0200 Subject: compatability of rev stacks and livecode stacks in a standalone? In-Reply-To: <6A0BB433-C921-4216-8DD8-E1EF87312EBD@me.com> References: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> <511150A7.6070601@hyperactivesw.com> <5111655D.9090706@gmail.com> <51116EC8.7040505@gmail.com> <6A0BB433-C921-4216-8DD8-E1EF87312EBD@me.com> Message-ID: <51120FE3.3010705@gmail.com> On 02/05/2013 11:59 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > I was going to say, what is the grammatical significance of beginning a word or name with two F's? Is it pronounced differently than one F? > > Bob No grammatical significance at all, but a historical one: Names that begin with a double F are originally Welsh, a single F being pronounced /v/, and a double F ('ff') being pronounced /f/ in Welsh. This is because Welsh has an alphabet of only 20 letters - although, the Wikipedia article on the Welsh alphabet claims it has 28, which is nonsense; it has 20 letters and 8 digraphs - one of those digraphs being 'ff'. Richmond. > > On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Richmond wrote: > >> On 02/05/2013 10:16 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >>> Richmond writes: >>> >>>> And we can now move to the logical corollary that as well as suffocation >>>> we should have >>>> 'inffocation' and 'preffocation' . . . LOL >>> I assume that you're familiar with the work of Jasper Fforde... >>> >> No, I'm not ffamiliar with that man with a ffine sounding name. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 03:13:50 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 10:13:50 +0200 Subject: OT: Jasper Fforde In-Reply-To: <3032281218.20130205174607@ahsoftware.net> References: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> <511150A7.6070601@hyperactivesw.com> <5111655D.9090706@gmail.com> <51116EC8.7040505@gmail.com> <3032281218.20130205174607@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <511210BE.7020602@gmail.com> On 02/06/2013 03:46 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Richmond- > > Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 12:42:48 PM, you wrote: > >> No, I'm not ffamiliar with that man with a ffine sounding name. > From Fforde's website, a bit about the Thursday Next series of books, > which I wholeheartedly recommend to anyone who still remembers what > reading physical books is all about (and start at the beginning > because they'll make more sense that way): > > 1: The Thursday Next series. Thursday Next is a detective who works > for Jurisfiction, the policing agency that works inside fiction. The > books are set in an odd alternative world, and blends SF, Fantasy, > Literature, Horror, and a bit of romance. This is how I recently > described the series: > > They are a series of books based upon the notion that what we read in > books is just a small part of a larger BookWorld that exists behind > the page. > > A fantastical place populated by off-duty and sometimes mischievous > bookpeople from the Classics to Fanfiction, and ruled over by the > wheezing bureaucracy known as The council of Genres. It is their task > to maintain the pageant and integrity of the books within their > charge, and these efforts are sometimes thwarted by the very evildoers > and bizarre plot devices that give the Bookworld its appeal. > > Aided in this endeavour but sometimes disagreeing with them are > Jurisfiction, the policing agency within Fiction. The adventures > follow one of their operatives: A woman from the Realworld named > Thursday Next, whose reality-based credentials bring a dimension of > independent thought to the proceedings, something that is often absent > in the mostly predetermined Bookworld. > > Confused? Excellent - turn to page one and start reading! > > (Seven books so far: The Eyre Affair, Lost in a Good Book, The Well of > Lost Plots, Something Rotten, First Among Sequels and One of our > Thursdays is Missing and The Woman Who Died a Lot (2012) > Sound more like the real world than perhaps a lot of us are prepared to admit :) I will certainly give the first one a try. Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 03:16:17 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 10:16:17 +0200 Subject: ads in the kickstarted page In-Reply-To: References: <1F9644D9-F937-4417-8D4C-9494C3D4E685@verizon.net> <16332386218.20130205174752@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <51121151.2020609@gmail.com> On 02/06/2013 03:54 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > As is common with YouTube videos, there is a yellow bar that appears in the scrubber of the video controller. It doesn't appear until after a few seconds of the video playing (the "students just get it" one). At 10 seconds an overlay ad appears. Just now I got one about audiojungle, whatever that is. Earlier on I had one about some sort of energy pill. Those advertisements do get a bit much. I generally cope with them by downloading Youtube videos onto my hard-disk using a nifty Firefox plugin: http://www.flashvideodownloader.org and watching them like that; at which point the adverts have been lost in the murkier reaches of cyberspace. > > > On Feb 5, 2013, at 8:47 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> I'm not seeing ads. Where are they? Superimposed on the video? Before >> the video? Off to the side? What browser? > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 6 04:52:55 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 20:52:55 +1100 Subject: Location via WiFi on Mobile? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4118C39F-047E-47E1-B838-A5416ECFA724@sweattechnologies.com> Robust because the location manager may not have a location still after 1 second. It probably will but it might not. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 06/02/2013, at 7:00 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Why is locationChanged more robust than directly querying the sensor? > > Anyway, the issue still seems to be the same. The devices running iOS > 5.1.1 display no data while the iOS 5.1 device does. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > > On 2/5/13 10:41 PM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: > >> Why not handle locationChanged? Much more robust than waiting 1 second. >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> On 06/02/2013, at 5:35 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: >> >>> mobileStartTrackingSensor "location", false >>> wait 1000 millisecs with messages -- IMPORTANT >>> get mobileSensorReading("location", false >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Feb 6 05:15:16 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 02:15:16 -0800 Subject: Location via WiFi on Mobile? In-Reply-To: <4118C39F-047E-47E1-B838-A5416ECFA724@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Good point. This reinforces what I've been experiencing: a delay is needed between starting up location services and actually using them. Plus implementing a timeout if there's no usable result after a set period of time. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/6/13 1:52 AM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: >Robust because the location manager may not have a location still after 1 >second. It probably will but it might not. > >-- >M E R Goulding >Software development services > >mergExt - There's an external for that! > >On 06/02/2013, at 7:00 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> Why is locationChanged more robust than directly querying the sensor? >> >> Anyway, the issue still seems to be the same. The devices running iOS >> 5.1.1 display no data while the iOS 5.1 device does. >> >> Regards, >> >> Scott Rossi >> Creative Director >> Tactile Media, UX Design >> >> >> >> >> On 2/5/13 10:41 PM, "Monte Goulding" >>wrote: >> >>> Why not handle locationChanged? Much more robust than waiting 1 second. >>> >>> -- >>> M E R Goulding >>> Software development services >>> >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>> >>> On 06/02/2013, at 5:35 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: >>> >>>> mobileStartTrackingSensor "location", false >>>> wait 1000 millisecs with messages -- IMPORTANT >>>> get mobileSensorReading("location", false >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Wed Feb 6 09:10:59 2013 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 14:10:59 +0000 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kevin - building automatic default licensing and easy code submission into the open source version would go a long long way to making the open source community effort work. Flickr did this with their built in CC licensing options, I feel it would be important for the OS version of LC to be launched with this. Open stacks without easy community hosting and default licensing will tend to keep things in the "shareware" domain. Have you any thought, and more important and planned action at this stage with regard to community hosting, version control, and default / encouraged licensing? I'd be interested in contributing and transferring the ownership of www.livecode.tvto such an effort. As we discussed earlier, I feel this would be better marketing, and strategic positioning for this to be an independent community effort, and have put some thought into the legal structuring of such an enterprise. My view has always been that this works best for everyone if structured this way, but with some active support and endorsement from RunRev. That way you may also garner some more effective organised community support behind the KickStarter? On 4 February 2013 17:53, Kevin Miller wrote: > There will be a commercial code escrow option too, but that will be aimed > at larger companies and be specific to their individual use of the > platform. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App > > > > > On 04/02/2013 17:45, "Mark Wieder" wrote: > > >Dr. Hawkins writes: > > > >> The OSS branch can never get orphaned. The commercial branch can, > >>however ... > >> > >> Now I'm musing about ways to deal with that; perhaps an exception that > >> allows the proprietary standalone to be built if certain events occur? > >> a cod escrow? > > > >Thank you. I've been waiting for someone to notice this. > > > >One of the obstacles to LiveCode's acceptance in the Real World is that > >there's > >a single point of failure: what happens if something happens to RunRev? > >They go > >out of business (now it's *me* thinking the unthinkable), they get > >acquired by > >Larry Ellison, they do the HyperCard thing and just disappear... > > > >With a closed source engine and no code escrow we're all out of luck. And > >that's > >a serious impediment for any company that's thinking about investing their > >future in LiveCode as a platform. By open-sourcing the engine we've got > >several > >options. The community can take it forward, the code can get forked, our > >investment is future-proof. The only things that wouldn't be covered are > >the > >parts that you would need a commercial license for: stack protection, > >etc, and > >that's the same situation we have today. It would be nice if a code escrow > >arrangement could be worked out for those, but first things first. > > > >-- > > Mark Wieder > > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > >...now that I've seen "cod escrow" I can't unsee it... > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >use-livecode mailing list > >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >subscription preferences: > >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 6 09:40:06 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 09:40:06 -0500 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FB27819-8477-4839-9DCB-8764994DB17B@verizon.net> Surely LiveCode itself is made up of lots of files, that can work with GIT perfectly well? Do stacks have to have that ability right away? Won't most open source big LiveCode applications be made of lots of stacks and external files, giving you a certain amount of modularity, even if individual stacks are updated as a single file? On Feb 6, 2013, at 9:10 AM, David Bovill wrote: > Kevin - building automatic default licensing and easy code submission into > the open source version would go a long long way to making the open source > community effort work. Flickr did this with their built in CC licensing > options, I feel it would be important for the OS version of LC to be > launched with this. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Feb 6 09:51:37 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:51:37 +0100 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <3FB27819-8477-4839-9DCB-8764994DB17B@verizon.net> References: <3FB27819-8477-4839-9DCB-8764994DB17B@verizon.net> Message-ID: <51126DF9.6020900@economy-x-talk.com> Hi, The biggest project I have ever seen consisted of one 4 GB stack. Due to its size, it was impossible to make a standalone of it :-) I guess such projects aren't optimally organised for GIT. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. On 2/6/2013 15:40, Colin Holgate wrote: > Surely LiveCode itself is made up of lots of files, that can work with GIT perfectly well? Do stacks have to have that ability right away? Won't most open source big LiveCode applications be made of lots of stacks and external files, giving you a certain amount of modularity, even if individual stacks are updated as a single file? > From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Wed Feb 6 10:07:03 2013 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 15:07:03 +0000 Subject: Trying to make economic sense of open sourcing livecode In-Reply-To: <51126DF9.6020900@economy-x-talk.com> References: <3FB27819-8477-4839-9DCB-8764994DB17B@verizon.net> <51126DF9.6020900@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Interestingly - one of the side effects of the file based export of large stacks for Git repos - is that the monolythic stack gets digested into chunks - this can make it much easier to re-engineer as a lean stack that reads and writes to text files. Also GIT deals very very well with hundreds or even thousands of text files - I've had to scale down my LiveCode repo as it involves many thousands of text files - (every handler I have ever written is saved as a single text file) - but even then a single repo is manageable. On 6 February 2013 14:51, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi, > > The biggest project I have ever seen consisted of one 4 GB stack. Due to > its size, it was impossible to make a standalone of it :-) I guess such > projects aren't optimally organised for GIT. > > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/**xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour > spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > > We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. > > On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an > e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. > > On 2/6/2013 15:40, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> Surely LiveCode itself is made up of lots of files, that can work with >> GIT perfectly well? Do stacks have to have that ability right away? Won't >> most open source big LiveCode applications be made of lots of stacks and >> external files, giving you a certain amount of modularity, even if >> individual stacks are updated as a single file? >> >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Feb 6 10:39:44 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:39:44 +0100 Subject: A way to help open-source LiveCode Message-ID: <51127940.7020007@economy-x-talk.com> Hi, The LiveCode open-source initiative is a great idea. I pledged but I was thinking I could pledge more. That's why I'd like to announce that I'll use 50% of all net revenues (= after sales tax) of Installer Maker to back the open-source edition of LiveCode on Kickstarter, provided that the initiative is successful. You can find more info about Installer Maker for LiveCode at http://qery.us/34e I'll make the additional pledge on 28th February. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. From slylabs13 at me.com Wed Feb 6 11:42:38 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 08:42:38 -0800 Subject: compatability of rev stacks and livecode stacks in a standalone? In-Reply-To: <51120FE3.3010705@gmail.com> References: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> <511150A7.6070601@hyperactivesw.com> <5111655D.9090706@gmail.com> <51116EC8.7040505@gmail.com> <6A0BB433-C921-4216-8DD8-E1EF87312EBD@me.com> <51120FE3.3010705@gmail.com> Message-ID: There you go, that was what I meant. If it was pronounced differently then there is the reason for it. Bob On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:10 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 02/05/2013 11:59 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: >> I was going to say, what is the grammatical significance of beginning a word or name with two F's? Is it pronounced differently than one F? >> >> Bob > > No grammatical significance at all, but a historical one: > > Names that begin with a double F are originally Welsh, > > a single F being pronounced /v/, and a double F ('ff') being > pronounced /f/ in Welsh. > > This is because Welsh has an alphabet of only 20 letters - although, > the Wikipedia article on the Welsh alphabet claims it has 28, which > is nonsense; it has 20 letters and 8 digraphs - one of those digraphs being 'ff'. > > Richmond. From slylabs13 at me.com Wed Feb 6 11:43:33 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 08:43:33 -0800 Subject: OT: Jasper Fforde In-Reply-To: <511210BE.7020602@gmail.com> References: <430603A3-FBBD-41E0-BB0B-B132D59D03BC@mac.com> <51114C8A.1070409@gmail.com> <511150A7.6070601@hyperactivesw.com> <5111655D.9090706@gmail.com> <51116EC8.7040505@gmail.com> <3032281218.20130205174607@ahsoftware.net> <511210BE.7020602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7330F298-51B9-416E-9B17-E157F947747E@me.com> Well... not surprising, since someone from the real world DID write it. ;-) Bob On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:13 AM, Richmond wrote: >> (Seven books so far: The Eyre Affair, Lost in a Good Book, The Well of >> Lost Plots, Something Rotten, First Among Sequels and One of our >> Thursdays is Missing and The Woman Who Died a Lot (2012) >> > > Sound more like the real world than perhaps a lot of us are prepared to admit :) > > I will certainly give the first one a try. > > Richmond. From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 6 13:34:33 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:34:33 -0500 Subject: past 20% Message-ID: <5A634AAC-95E8-485E-B1EC-833A480C386E@verizon.net> I was feeling lonely, at the 1800-odd slot, but now have a few companions, including one that just happened. That one took the amount past 20%. Ben is still unused so far, perhaps you should post pictures of him? To get the rich women pledgers out there... From rman at free.fr Wed Feb 6 14:17:09 2013 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 11:17:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: References: <9C72554D-B277-437C-BF78-8E972D8A0B4C@businessplaninsight.com> Message-ID: <1360178228867-4660263.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi fantastic news and bravo to the team... now one more question regarding LC server : Will LC server OS be able to open a protected stack like ZYGODACT which is made to help authentification at sites or to sell softwares, and obviously, that is protected...? If not, will there be a commercial LC server version that can do that? What I clearly understood is that , to make and update such a protected stack one would require of course a commercial version. That is clear. I think the answer will be :: bad luck, you can't use protected stack with the OS version, full point. But nice to clarify that point, thanks! On the ground of it, personnaly, I was going to contribute to revIgniter with a simplified hierarchical database based on stacks on a OS basis to accompany the move and as a thank you to Ralph Bitter for his wonderful work, but I wonder whether in the case of protection algorythms, there might be a case for not releasing the algorythm public. This would mean that LC server OS could not be used for dealing with transactions that require some degree of privacy and control, or that each user has to code some specific identification mechanism, OS in theory, but not visible since on the server... which is some sort of half backed position. Also sub question : does that mean that all encrypting functions will not be available on the server OS version??? (because otherwise one can devise a specific protection scheme and deliver on a client server the OS server plus specifically protected stacks encrypted by a propriatary which would be against the OS principles, but realistically feasible since residing on a closed server environment.... ) Well food for thoughts!! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Open-source-LC-server-and-revigniter-tp4660146p4660263.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 6 15:04:12 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 20:04:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: OT: Feb 9 in Pasadena References: <510B020E.3000306@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Richard Gaskin writes: > > The next SoCal LiveCode User Group meeting is coming up next Thursday at > 7PM in Pasadena - details in the LUG section of the LiveCode forums: And if you're in the LA Area, two nights later is a fundraising showing of the Wrecking Crew movie in an attempt to raise the money for the music licensing fees so it can be released on dvd. I can't make it down for this, but I'm really hoping for a showing in the Bay Area. Come for the meetup, stay for the movie. http://wreckingcrew.tv/trailer.html http://tickets.canyonclub.net/eventperformances.asp?evt=479&c=8&pg= -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 6 15:11:43 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:11:43 -0500 Subject: OT: Feb 9 in Pasadena In-Reply-To: References: <510B020E.3000306@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <203ED14A-575B-47CA-B4F7-2055081AC1E4@verizon.net> I forwarded that to a friend, who in addition to being a LiveCode (or at least Rev) user, was friends with some of the featured musicians. He lives in Santa Cruz, but is in LA sometimes, so maybe he could go to the fundraiser. On Feb 6, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > http://wreckingcrew.tv/trailer.html > http://tickets.canyonclub.net/eventperformances.asp?evt=479&c=8&pg= From pete at lcsql.com Wed Feb 6 15:39:17 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:39:17 -0800 Subject: OT: Feb 9 in Pasadena In-Reply-To: References: <510B020E.3000306@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark, I hadn't heard of that movie, thanks for the heads up, I'll definitely check it out. Let me know if anything happens in the Bay Area. Pete lcSQL Software On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Richard Gaskin writes: > > > > > The next SoCal LiveCode User Group meeting is coming up next Thursday at > > 7PM in Pasadena - details in the LUG section of the LiveCode forums: > > And if you're in the LA Area, two nights later is a fundraising showing of > the > Wrecking Crew movie in an attempt to raise the money for the music > licensing > fees so it can be released on dvd. I can't make it down for this, but I'm > really > hoping for a showing in the Bay Area. Come for the meetup, stay for the > movie. > > http://wreckingcrew.tv/trailer.html > http://tickets.canyonclub.net/eventperformances.asp?evt=479&c=8&pg= > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Feb 6 16:09:07 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:09:07 -0800 Subject: Uninstalling on Windows? Message-ID: Hi List: What is the best way to set up a Windows installer to handle uninstall of user-generated files? I developed a LiveCode application for Windows that saves settings and progress data to files placed in a couple of locations on the drive (Documents and AppData). I tried to do "the right thing" by having my installer create these files (as opposed to my app), so they could be uninstalled by the user if they want to remove the program. But the user can download additional files that get saved in their installation which, from what I can tell, prevents an uninstaller from removing the files since they weren't part of the original install. How does one deal with this? I'm using Inno Setup if that makes a difference. Thanks for any insight. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Feb 6 16:19:50 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:19:50 -0600 Subject: Open source, LC server and revigniter In-Reply-To: <1360178228867-4660263.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <9C72554D-B277-437C-BF78-8E972D8A0B4C@businessplaninsight.com> <1360178228867-4660263.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5112C8F6.20602@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/6/13 1:17 PM, Robert Mann wrote: > Hi fantastic news and bravo to the team... now one more question regarding LC > server : > > Will LC server OS be able to open a protected stack like ZYGODACT which is > made to help authentification at sites or to sell softwares, and obviously, > that is protected...? > > If not, will there be a commercial LC server version that can do that? > > What I clearly understood is that , to make and update such a protected > stack one would require of course a commercial version. That is clear. > > I think the answer will be :: bad luck, you can't use protected stack with > the OS version, full point. But nice to clarify that point, thanks! > > On the ground of it, personnaly, I was going to contribute to revIgniter > with a simplified hierarchical database based on stacks on a OS basis to > accompany the move and as a thank you to Ralph Bitter for his wonderful > work, but I wonder whether in the case of protection algorythms, there might > be a case for not releasing the algorythm public. RR says they will not release the password protection algorithm. Commercial licenses will be able to use it, but it will not be in the open source version. Since Zygodact requires password protection, it will be sold only to users who have a commercial license. Existing users won't be able to open their Zygodact stacks if they are using the free version. Apps built with the free version won't be able to display the Zygodact register dialog. I don't know how LiveCode server will work, but I'm sure the free version won't include password protection, and it wont be able to open Zygodact password generators. Perhaps RR will release a commercial server that can do it. But if they don't, you can still use the CGI script and the older CGI engine. Clarification on this would be good to hear from the team. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From slylabs13 at me.com Wed Feb 6 16:23:53 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:23:53 -0800 Subject: Uninstalling on Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I came across this article for using WMIC: http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2947/windows_uninstall_application_command_line/ If you know the product code, you can uninstall it using vbscript like this: http://www.symantec.com/connect/downloads/uninstall-windows-installer-applications-using-vbscript Not sure if this helps you, it may be that your problem is that the app has been modified, and so the uninstaller fails. Bob On Feb 6, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Hi List: > > What is the best way to set up a Windows installer to handle uninstall of > user-generated files? > > I developed a LiveCode application for Windows that saves settings and > progress data to files placed in a couple of locations on the drive > (Documents and AppData). I tried to do "the right thing" by having my > installer create these files (as opposed to my app), so they could be > uninstalled by the user if they want to remove the program. But the user > can download additional files that get saved in their installation which, > from what I can tell, prevents an uninstaller from removing the files since > they weren't part of the original install. How does one deal with this? > > I'm using Inno Setup if that makes a difference. Thanks for any insight. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From cmsheffield at icloud.com Wed Feb 6 16:31:45 2013 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:31:45 -0700 Subject: Uninstalling on Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6114B503-666C-48EC-8F2A-98F69DCBF25F@icloud.com> Can the user save the additional files anywhere, or are they only saved to a specific location? If anywhere, not sure how to deal with that. But if they're saved to a specific location, it used to be that Inno Setup had a way to remove an entire folder of files upon uninstalling the application, so long as that folder "belonged" to the application. But I haven't used Inno Setup forever, so I'm not sure if this is still the case. It seems like you had to create the folder when installing, and then mark/flag it to delete all contained files when uninstalling. Not sure if that really helps or not. Totally going by memory, which isn't too good these days. Sorry. Chris On Feb 6, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Hi List: > > What is the best way to set up a Windows installer to handle uninstall of > user-generated files? > > I developed a LiveCode application for Windows that saves settings and > progress data to files placed in a couple of locations on the drive > (Documents and AppData). I tried to do "the right thing" by having my > installer create these files (as opposed to my app), so they could be > uninstalled by the user if they want to remove the program. But the user > can download additional files that get saved in their installation which, > from what I can tell, prevents an uninstaller from removing the files since > they weren't part of the original install. How does one deal with this? > > I'm using Inno Setup if that makes a difference. Thanks for any insight. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 6 17:27:46 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 22:27:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Uninstalling on Windows? References: Message-ID: Scott Rossi writes: > What is the best way to set up a Windows installer to handle uninstall of > user-generated files? Do you want to do this? I've seen two approaches: the first is to bring up a dialog if there are additional files that weren't part of the original installation asking whether the user wants to delete the data files as well. If not, just leave them on the disk. A subsequent reinstall should be able to pick up from where they left off. The second approach is to leave things as they are, keep the data files and the folders intact, just not notifying the user. This is the way Adobe AIR uninstalls things, and the AIR installer has a bug that gives a nonsequitor error if you try to reinstall or install over an existing installation. But in any case, I think it's bad form to delete user-generated files without asking first. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 6 17:29:08 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 22:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: revOnline down again? References: Message-ID: FWIW, I notified support. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Feb 6 17:49:16 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:49:16 -0800 Subject: Uninstalling on Windows? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Mark: I totally agree, in principle. In my case, the application is a game, and the files to be deleted are text data, which are useless without the application. They don't contain any user created data (i.e. addresses, personal info, etc) they are generated automatically by playing (progress) or by downloading (levels). So in this case, I don't think it's a big deal to auto-remove, if possible. It seems like you can't win either way. The purists say "Don't remove anything you didn't install!" and the neat freaks say "Dammit, I deleted the app, I want all its files gone!" Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/6/13 2:27 PM, "Mark Wieder" wrote: >Scott Rossi writes: > >> What is the best way to set up a Windows installer to handle uninstall >>of >> user-generated files? > >Do you want to do this? I've seen two approaches: the first is to bring >up a >dialog if there are additional files that weren't part of the original >installation asking whether the user wants to delete the data files as >well. If >not, just leave them on the disk. A subsequent reinstall should be able >to pick >up from where they left off. The second approach is to leave things as >they are, >keep the data files and the folders intact, just not notifying the user. >This is >the way Adobe AIR uninstalls things, and the AIR installer has a bug that >gives >a nonsequitor error if you try to reinstall or install over an existing >installation. > >But in any case, I think it's bad form to delete user-generated files >without >asking first. > >-- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 6 18:16:28 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 23:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Uninstalling on Windows? References: Message-ID: Scott Rossi writes: > I totally agree, in principle. In my case, the application is a game, and > the files to be deleted are text data, which are useless without the > application. They don't contain any user created data (i.e. addresses, > personal info, etc) they are generated automatically by playing (progress) > or by downloading (levels). So in this case, I don't think it's a big > deal to auto-remove, if possible. What if I need to uninstall and reinstall the game? Would I lose the levels I've already downloaded? Is there a downside to that? > It seems like you can't win either way. Pathologically true. > The purists say "Don't remove > anything you didn't install!" and the neat freaks say "Dammit, I deleted > the app, I want all its files gone!" That's where prompting the user comes in. Ask before wiping the files, and if they OK it, do the dirty and you're in the clear. -- Mark Wieder mwieder2ahsoftware.net From andrew at ctech.me Wed Feb 6 19:33:02 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 18:33:02 -0600 Subject: Android Externals Message-ID: Just to make sure I am correct, there is currently no way to make externals for android? And if that's still the case, why? It's honestly the only thing keeping me from considering livecode as a realistic choice for mobile developement. -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 6 19:46:34 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 11:46:34 +1100 Subject: Android Externals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 07/02/2013, at 11:33 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Just to make sure I am correct, there is currently no way to make externals > for android? Yes, you are correct > And if that's still the case, why? I'm not sure. It very nearly happened about 6 months ago but then it didn't. > > It's honestly the only thing keeping me from considering livecode as a > realistic choice for mobile developement. Well it appears that part of the modularisation work being done for going open source will allow us to develop more integrated extensions to the language. I assume this will be a virtual replacement for externals (or basically be externals with syntax stuff) and need to be cross platform. Perhaps that's why android externals never happened because the concept was superseded by these extensions... Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From niconiko at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 19:46:56 2013 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 09:46:56 +0900 Subject: Android Externals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's correct. Don't know about the technical reasons why. Perhaps years back, when LC first went mobile, iOS dominance made focusingon it rather than Android better sense financially, given LC's limited resources? Given the OSS initiative now, hearing something definite from LC on Android Externals would be nice. -- Nicolas Cueto From andrew at ctech.me Wed Feb 6 19:53:28 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 18:53:28 -0600 Subject: Android Externals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's a shame because we use dropbox for some things in one of my in-house desktop apps and we are considering gathering information from the field using android tablets. Dropbox recently released a new SDK for integrating dropbox tighter into your mobile apps. I was asked if this would work nice in livecode native android apps. :\ It won't. Well it appears that part of the modularisation work being done for going > open source will allow us to develop more integrated extensions to the > language. > Relating to this, no one has talked about it, but what is going to happen if the kickstarter doesn't succeed? Does that crush all these wonderful things we are already dreaming about doing with a GPL'd livecode? On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 07/02/2013, at 11:33 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > > Just to make sure I am correct, there is currently no way to make > externals > > for android? > > Yes, you are correct > > > And if that's still the case, why? > > I'm not sure. It very nearly happened about 6 months ago but then it > didn't. > > > > It's honestly the only thing keeping me from considering livecode as a > > realistic choice for mobile developement. > > Well it appears that part of the modularisation work being done for going > open source will allow us to develop more integrated extensions to the > language. I assume this will be a virtual replacement for externals (or > basically be externals with syntax stuff) and need to be cross platform. > Perhaps that's why android externals never happened because the concept was > superseded by these extensions... > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From slylabs13 at me.com Wed Feb 6 19:55:49 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:55:49 -0800 Subject: Uninstalling on Windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would say that between the two extremes, most software uninstalls leave user related files and settings on the computer. For one thing, the uninstall may not be permanent. It may be something the user does to "fix" something that seems wrong to him. For another thing, the user can easily delete said files if you put them in a readily accessible place and label them as such. Because of that, most users expect that their preferences and saved settings are going to be there when they reinstall. "Clean Freaks", well when it comes to computers, Clean Freaks are just obsessive compulsive people that someone gave a computer to, against all good judgement. I don't think anyone needs to worry about them... unless they know where you live. Bob On Feb 6, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Scott Rossi writes: > >> I totally agree, in principle. In my case, the application is a game, and >> the files to be deleted are text data, which are useless without the >> application. They don't contain any user created data (i.e. addresses, >> personal info, etc) they are generated automatically by playing (progress) >> or by downloading (levels). So in this case, I don't think it's a big >> deal to auto-remove, if possible. > > What if I need to uninstall and reinstall the game? Would I lose the levels I've > already downloaded? Is there a downside to that? > >> It seems like you can't win either way. > > Pathologically true. > >> The purists say "Don't remove >> anything you didn't install!" and the neat freaks say "Dammit, I deleted >> the app, I want all its files gone!" > > That's where prompting the user comes in. Ask before wiping the files, and if > they OK it, do the dirty and you're in the clear. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 6 20:00:49 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 12:00:49 +1100 Subject: Android Externals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F075DC-BE75-482B-BFBA-859D9C98BDAC@sweattechnologies.com> On 07/02/2013, at 11:53 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Relating to this, no one has talked about it, but what is going to happen > if the kickstarter doesn't succeed? Does that crush all these wonderful > things we are already dreaming about doing with a GPL'd livecode? It could. Isn't that the point of the kickstarter? All those devs need to eat. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From andrew at ctech.me Wed Feb 6 23:01:34 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 22:01:34 -0600 Subject: Android Externals In-Reply-To: <41F075DC-BE75-482B-BFBA-859D9C98BDAC@sweattechnologies.com> References: <41F075DC-BE75-482B-BFBA-859D9C98BDAC@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure what you mean, monte? If the kickstarter doesn't succeed (people from my company have already backed it), will livecode continue as it has been or close up shop or just take longer for the re-write? On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 07/02/2013, at 11:53 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > > Relating to this, no one has talked about it, but what is going to happen > > if the kickstarter doesn't succeed? Does that crush all these wonderful > > things we are already dreaming about doing with a GPL'd livecode? > > It could. Isn't that the point of the kickstarter? All those devs need to > eat. > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 6 23:10:53 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 15:10:53 +1100 Subject: Android Externals In-Reply-To: References: <41F075DC-BE75-482B-BFBA-859D9C98BDAC@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <2E5A01AD-B830-4C1A-BDFE-DE3148BC8F2A@sweattechnologies.com> On 07/02/2013, at 3:01 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > I'm not sure what you mean, monte? If the kickstarter doesn't succeed > (people from my company have already backed it), will livecode continue as > it has been or close up shop or just take longer for the re-write? I expect it will take a lot longer to achieve the same results. If there isn't enough support from the community to go open source maybe it won't happen. I don't know. Just hoping we can make it from here. We're at least 9% off where we need to be at this stage. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From pete at lcsql.com Wed Feb 6 23:25:22 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 20:25:22 -0800 Subject: Android Externals In-Reply-To: <2E5A01AD-B830-4C1A-BDFE-DE3148BC8F2A@sweattechnologies.com> References: <41F075DC-BE75-482B-BFBA-859D9C98BDAC@sweattechnologies.com> <2E5A01AD-B830-4C1A-BDFE-DE3148BC8F2A@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: It's definitely behind schedule statistically. But I've been involved with a couple of Kickstarter projects and the way it seems to go is: - an initial burst of investors that put it ahead statistically - a mid period where everything just bumbles along quite slowly - a final push in the last few days where things pick up because of last minute efforts and people on the sidelines who are waiting to see how much to contribute to make it happen Pete lcSQL Software On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 07/02/2013, at 3:01 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > > I'm not sure what you mean, monte? If the kickstarter doesn't succeed > > (people from my company have already backed it), will livecode continue > as > > it has been or close up shop or just take longer for the re-write? > > I expect it will take a lot longer to achieve the same results. If there > isn't enough support from the community to go open source maybe it won't > happen. I don't know. Just hoping we can make it from here. We're at least > 9% off where we need to be at this stage. > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From -= Thu Feb 7 00:40:53 2013 From: -= (-=) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 21:40:53 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites Message-ID: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> My websites that are located at On-Rev do not load and I am not able to access my C-Panel either. Anyone else having problems? -=>JB<=- From andrew at ctech.me Thu Feb 7 01:23:44 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 00:23:44 -0600 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> Message-ID: down. :\ On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:40 PM, -=>JB <=- wrote: > My websites that are located at On-Rev do not load and > I am not able to access my C-Panel either. > > Anyone else having problems? > > -=>JB<=- > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From sundown at pacifier.com Thu Feb 7 01:42:09 2013 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 22:42:09 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the info! -=>JB<=- On Feb 6, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > down. :\ > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:40 PM, -=>JB <=- wrote: > >> My websites that are located at On-Rev do not load and >> I am not able to access my C-Panel either. >> >> Anyone else having problems? >> >> -=>JB<=- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > andrew at ctech.me > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From dglass at graymattercomputing.com Thu Feb 7 02:02:32 2013 From: dglass at graymattercomputing.com (David Glass) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 23:02:32 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <51135188.8020801@graymattercomputing.com> No apparent issues on thor. My site and c-panel are working. On 02/06/2013 9:40 PM, -=>JB <=- wrote: > My websites that are located at On-Rev do not load and > I am not able to access my C-Panel either. > > Anyone else having problems? > > -=>JB<=- > -- > David Glass - Gray Matter Computing > graymattercomputing.com > Central Valley: 559-303-4915 > East Bay: 925-335-8486 From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Thu Feb 7 02:16:38 2013 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 08:16:38 +0100 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <9E60BC5C-97AF-47A7-A7F3-AB4E0C147253@m-r-d.de> Hi Andrew. Tested here with accounts on freyr.on-rev.com var. on-rev.com canary.on-rev.com These servers are running w/o problems. Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- Am 07.02.2013 um 06:40 schrieb -=>JB <=- : > My websites that are located at On-Rev do not load and > I am not able to access my C-Panel either. > > Anyone else having problems? > > -=>JB<=- > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 7 02:18:43 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:18:43 +1100 Subject: Android Externals In-Reply-To: References: <41F075DC-BE75-482B-BFBA-859D9C98BDAC@sweattechnologies.com> <2E5A01AD-B830-4C1A-BDFE-DE3148BC8F2A@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <02BDCC4A-5E3B-4837-8ED2-375290CA98DF@sweattechnologies.com> On 07/02/2013, at 3:25 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > - a final push in the last few days where things pick up because of last > minute efforts and people on the sidelines who are waiting to see how much > to contribute to make it happen Hmm... I'm hoping for all the stretch goals not just scraping in on the last few days. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From sundown at pacifier.com Thu Feb 7 02:57:09 2013 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 23:57:09 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <9E60BC5C-97AF-47A7-A7F3-AB4E0C147253@m-r-d.de> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <9E60BC5C-97AF-47A7-A7F3-AB4E0C147253@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <578A9F4A-D2D5-4E83-9CA8-65543C7168B7@pacifier.com> You and David Glass are not having problems and I thank you both for replying. But I am still down. I have seen it before where some are down and can't access cpanel but I was okay. What causes problems like that? -=>JB<=- On Feb 6, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Matthias Rebbe wrote: > Hi Andrew. > > Tested here with accounts on > > freyr.on-rev.com > var. on-rev.com > canary.on-rev.com > > These servers are running w/o problems. > > Regards, > > Matthias > > > -- > Matthias Rebbe > matthias (at) rebbe.tk > Tel +49.5741.310000 > Tel +49.160.5504462 > -- > > > > Am 07.02.2013 um 06:40 schrieb -=>JB <=- : > >> My websites that are located at On-Rev do not load and >> I am not able to access my C-Panel either. >> >> Anyone else having problems? >> >> -=>JB<=- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From sundown at pacifier.com Thu Feb 7 03:23:23 2013 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 00:23:23 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <51135188.8020801@graymattercomputing.com> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <51135188.8020801@graymattercomputing.com> Message-ID: <2F9FECCD-F4EA-443E-A4D5-A871ACCEFB10@pacifier.com> Everything is working good now! Thanks for providing me with the info. -=>JB<=- On Feb 6, 2013, at 11:02 PM, David Glass wrote: > No apparent issues on thor. My site and c-panel are working. > > On 02/06/2013 9:40 PM, -=>JB <=- wrote: >> My websites that are located at On-Rev do not load and >> I am not able to access my C-Panel either. >> >> Anyone else having problems? >> >> -=>JB<=- > > >> -- >> David Glass - Gray Matter Computing >> graymattercomputing.com >> Central Valley: 559-303-4915 >> East Bay: 925-335-8486 > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From harrison at all-auctions.com Thu Feb 7 08:59:35 2013 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 08:59:35 -0500 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Hi -=>JB<=-, Could you please explain to me why you used my domain name in the "from" section of your email to the group? I certainly didn't authorize you to use my domain name when writing to this list! I think an apology to everyone is in order here and also to the good people at pacifier.com Thanks, Rick Please see the following line: On Feb 7, 2013, at 12:40 AM, -=@all-auctions.com>JB <=- wrote: > My websites that are located at On-Rev do not load and > I am not able to access my C-Panel either. > > Anyone else having problems? > > -=>JB<=- > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Feb 7 09:09:42 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 15:09:42 +0100 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <5113B5A6.90008@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Rick, My e-mail client displays JB's alias and e-mail in the FROM header and not your domain name. JB uses tags in the FROM header. Perhaps your e-mail client software or the server software of your ISP misinterprets this header. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. On 2/7/2013 14:59, Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi -=>JB<=-, > > Could you please explain to me why you > used my domain name in the "from" section > of your email to the group? > > I certainly didn't authorize you to use my > domain name when writing to this list! > > I think an apology to everyone is in order here > and also to the good people at pacifier.com > > Thanks, > > Rick > > Please see the following line: > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 12:40 AM, -=@all-auctions.com>JB <=- wrote: > >> My websites that are located at On-Rev do not load and >> I am not able to access my C-Panel either. >> >> Anyone else having problems? >> >> -=>JB<=- From sundown at pacifier.com Thu Feb 7 09:13:54 2013 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 06:13:54 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> I do not know who you are and I have never heard of all_auctions.com. If my posting included it somehow it was by automatic inclusion without my knowledge. Therefore I will apologize for your suffering of having your domain name listed but I personally did not list it and do not owe you an apology. Investigate it further because I did not personally list it and did not see it was automatically listed for some reaon. If it was automatically listed you need to ask whoever is controlling that to stop it because I most likely won't be the only person to have that done. And I do not owe the people at pacifier.com an apology either. -=>JB<=- On Feb 7, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi -=>JB<=-, > > Could you please explain to me why you > used my domain name in the "from" section > of your email to the group? > > I certainly didn't authorize you to use my > domain name when writing to this list! > > I think an apology to everyone is in order here > and also to the good people at pacifier.com > > Thanks, > > Rick > > Please see the following line: > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 12:40 AM, -=@all-auctions.com>JB <=- wrote: > >> My websites that are located at On-Rev do not load and >> I am not able to access my C-Panel either. >> >> Anyone else having problems? >> >> -=>JB<=- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Thu Feb 7 10:06:28 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 07:06:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Thinking the unthinkable. In-Reply-To: <510F9F34.2000305@gmail.com> References: <510F9F34.2000305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1360249588081-4660295.post@n4.nabble.com> The date is fixed and according to the agreement, RR can only take your pledge if it meets its stated target. I'm hoping they have thought about possible scenarios to pick up the pace if things go flat, but maybe that is expecting too much. In any event, the first kick at the can is a good way to gauge how much support is out there. Others who have not met there initial goal have gone back for a second try with a lowered expectation. If they only get to 50% they may decide there is something that can be done within that envelope and post a new campaign hoping to achieve that (same) result the second time round. It would definitely be a let down not to make it, so lets not let that happen. During this campaign I have increased my pledge substantially. That is one way (if you can manage it) to try and keep the campaign on track. -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Thinking-the-unthinkable-tp4660174p4660295.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andrew at ctech.me Thu Feb 7 10:56:29 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 09:56:29 -0600 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Nope, everything is online and working today. But as of about 12:00am Central Standard, I could confirm to JB that things were offline on my server (odin i believe). Andrew On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 8:13 AM, -=>JB<=- wrote: > I do not know who you are and I have never heard of > all_auctions.com. > > If my posting included it somehow it was by automatic > inclusion without my knowledge. > > Therefore I will apologize for your suffering of having > your domain name listed but I personally did not list > it and do not owe you an apology. > > Investigate it further because I did not personally list it > and did not see it was automatically listed for some > reaon. If it was automatically listed you need to ask > whoever is controlling that to stop it because I most > likely won't be the only person to have that done. > > And I do not owe the people at pacifier.com an > apology either. > > -=>JB<=- > > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: > > > Hi -=>JB<=-, > > > > Could you please explain to me why you > > used my domain name in the "from" section > > of your email to the group? > > > > I certainly didn't authorize you to use my > > domain name when writing to this list! > > > > I think an apology to everyone is in order here > > and also to the good people at pacifier.com > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rick > > > > Please see the following line: > > > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 12:40 AM, -=@all-auctions.com>JB <=- < > sundown at pacifier.com> wrote: > > > >> My websites that are located at On-Rev do not load and > >> I am not able to access my C-Panel either. > >> > >> Anyone else having problems? > >> > >> -=>JB<=- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From heather at runrev.com Thu Feb 7 11:37:19 2013 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 16:37:19 +0000 Subject: Thinking the unthinkable. In-Reply-To: <1360249588081-4660295.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <510F9F34.2000305@gmail.com> <1360249588081-4660295.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <015D1616-8CC1-47D0-B7AF-2EC71996E02A@runrev.com> On the positive side, we have now passed the 20% mark. According to Kickstarter: Of the projects that have reached 20% of their funding goal, 82% were successfully funded. So, no cause for complacency, but certainly grounds for optimism. Regards, Heather On 7 Feb 2013, at 15:06, Mark Smith wrote: > The date is fixed and according to the agreement, RR can only take your > pledge if it meets its stated target. I'm hoping they have thought about > possible scenarios to pick up the pace if things go flat, but maybe that is > expecting too much. > > In any event, the first kick at the can is a good way to gauge how much > support is out there. Others who have not met there initial goal have gone > back for a second try with a lowered expectation. If they only get to 50% > they may decide there is something that can be done within that envelope and > post a new campaign hoping to achieve that (same) result the second time > round. > > It would definitely be a let down not to make it, so lets not let that > happen. During this campaign I have increased my pledge substantially. That > is one way (if you can manage it) to try and keep the campaign on track. > > -- Mark > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Thinking-the-unthinkable-tp4660174p4660295.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.runrev.com/ Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Feb 7 11:44:45 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 11:44:45 -0500 Subject: Developer SDK Version Number Message-ID: <84EEE5F2-FE3A-467A-93A2-000EE87FF6D5@mac.com> Does anyone have the latest version number for the Developer SDK "Externals Environment" for LiveCode? I have version 3. http://developer.runrev.com/externals/ExternalsEnvironmentV3.zip If it is not V3 then does anyone have the link to the latest one? Thank you very much. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 7 12:09:08 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 12:09:08 -0500 Subject: Thinking the unthinkable. In-Reply-To: <015D1616-8CC1-47D0-B7AF-2EC71996E02A@runrev.com> References: <510F9F34.2000305@gmail.com> <1360249588081-4660295.post@n4.nabble.com> <015D1616-8CC1-47D0-B7AF-2EC71996E02A@runrev.com> Message-ID: <2BCAB16E-86C8-4C77-9C77-27A8099E5DE4@verizon.net> Does that statement relate to a particular stage in the project? I mean, if the project is at 20% an hour before the end, it probably won't reach 100%. On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Heather Laine wrote: > >Of the projects that have reached 20% of their funding goal, 82% were successfully funded. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 7 12:55:29 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 11:55:29 -0600 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/7/13 8:13 AM, -=>JB<=- wrote: > I do not know who you are and I have never heard of > all_auctions.com. > > If my posting included it somehow it was by automatic > inclusion without my knowledge. Here's part of the headers from your email as I received it. There are a couple of references to all-auctions, one in the reply-to field and the other in References. Something got switched. In my copy, the From field shows pacifier as the domain. Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ip27.102.dhcp-acs2.sea.iinet.com [198.145.102.27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: sundown at pacifier.com) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1AD4838EF1 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 06:14:18 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: On-Rev websites From: "-=>JB<=-" In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 06:13:54 -0800 Message-Id: <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68 at pacifier.com> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623 at pacifier.com> To: How to use LiveCode -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From heather at runrev.com Thu Feb 7 12:55:48 2013 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:55:48 +0000 Subject: Thinking the unthinkable. In-Reply-To: <2BCAB16E-86C8-4C77-9C77-27A8099E5DE4@verizon.net> References: <510F9F34.2000305@gmail.com> <1360249588081-4660295.post@n4.nabble.com> <015D1616-8CC1-47D0-B7AF-2EC71996E02A@runrev.com> <2BCAB16E-86C8-4C77-9C77-27A8099E5DE4@verizon.net> Message-ID: It appears to be a general statement, taken over all their projects as an entirety. Indeed, 20% on day 28 would not be cause for optimism. We are on day 8. Long way to go yet. Much to do. Onwards and upwards! Regards, Heather On 7 Feb 2013, at 17:09, Colin Holgate wrote: > Does that statement relate to a particular stage in the project? I mean, if the project is at 20% an hour before the end, it probably won't reach 100%. > > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Heather Laine wrote: > >>> Of the projects that have reached 20% of their funding goal, 82% were successfully funded. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.runrev.com/ Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 7 13:02:24 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Developer SDK Version Number References: <84EEE5F2-FE3A-467A-93A2-000EE87FF6D5@mac.com> Message-ID: Thomas McGrath III writes: > > Does anyone have the latest version number for the Developer SDK "Externals > Environment" for LiveCode? I have version 3. That's the latest I've seen. Still waiting for the fabled new api, but I'm not holding my breath. Note that there's still a bug in the header file dealing with images. I don't have access to bugzilla at the moment, but IIRC a couple of parameters are swapped. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 7 13:07:42 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: On-Rev websites References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: J. Landman Gay writes: > > On 2/7/13 8:13 AM, -=>JB<=- wrote: > > I do not know who you are and I have never heard of > > all_auctions.com. > > > > If my posting included it somehow it was by automatic > > inclusion without my knowledge. > > Here's part of the headers from your email as I received it. There are a > couple of references to all-auctions, one in the reply-to field and the > other in References. Something got switched. In my copy, the From field > shows pacifier as the domain. > > Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ip27.102.dhcp-acs2.sea.iinet.com > [198.145.102.27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) > (No client certificate requested) > (Authenticated sender: sundown at ...) > by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1AD4838EF1 > for ; > Thu, 7 Feb 2013 06:14:18 -0800 (PST) > Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) > Subject: Re: On-Rev websites > From: "-=>JB<=-" > In-Reply-To: > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 06:13:54 -0800 > Message-Id: <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68 at ...> > References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623 at ...> > > To: How to use LiveCode > I'm stuck with web access via gmane at the moment, so I don't have access to the RFC-822 headers, but I notice that the original post in this thread has a From address as "-=>JB" while the later ones have "-=>JB<=-". So I'm guessing that somewhere along the way a helpful email client decoded that as a redirector and took it from there. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From pete at lcsql.com Thu Feb 7 13:51:14 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:51:14 -0800 Subject: libURLErrorData Problem Message-ID: I'm running into an issue with libURLStatus. I'm using libURLDownloadToFile, specifying a handler name as the callback message. My callback handler checks the value of the URLstatus parameter passed to it. If it is "error", I call libURLErrorData and pass the purl parameter. All seems reasonable, but I'm getting empty back from the libURLErrorData call and the file is actually downloaded successfully. Any clues? Pete lcSQL Software From gwjapp at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 14:08:01 2013 From: gwjapp at gmail.com (Gabriel Johnson) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 14:08:01 -0500 Subject: Thinking the unthinkable. In-Reply-To: References: <510F9F34.2000305@gmail.com> <1360249588081-4660295.post@n4.nabble.com> <015D1616-8CC1-47D0-B7AF-2EC71996E02A@runrev.com> <2BCAB16E-86C8-4C77-9C77-27A8099E5DE4@verizon.net> Message-ID: I took a look at some graphs of successful kickstarter campaigns on http://canhekick.it/, and it appears that a good percentage of them start strong, lose steam in the middle, then pick up once again toward the end. At the very least, the pledge rate seems to vary quite a bit as the campaigns progress. Here's a graph of LiveCode's progress so far: http://canhekick.it/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Heather Laine wrote: > It appears to be a general statement, taken over all their projects as an > entirety. > > Indeed, 20% on day 28 would not be cause for optimism. We are on day 8. > > Long way to go yet. Much to do. > > Onwards and upwards! > > Regards, > > Heather > > On 7 Feb 2013, at 17:09, Colin Holgate wrote: > > > Does that statement relate to a particular stage in the project? I mean, > if the project is at 20% an hour before the end, it probably won't reach > 100%. > > > > > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Heather Laine wrote: > > > >>> Of the projects that have reached 20% of their funding goal, 82% were > successfully funded. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > Heather Laine > Customer Services Manager > http://www.runrev.com/ > Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Feb 7 14:36:56 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:36:56 -0500 Subject: Developer SDK Version Number In-Reply-To: References: <84EEE5F2-FE3A-467A-93A2-000EE87FF6D5@mac.com> Message-ID: <50916B61-5E08-498E-BA89-319E07FC5EA7@mac.com> Thanks Mark, -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 7, 2013, at 1:02 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Thomas McGrath III writes: > >> >> Does anyone have the latest version number for the Developer SDK "Externals >> Environment" for LiveCode? I have version 3. > > That's the latest I've seen. Still waiting for the fabled new api, but I'm not > holding my breath. Note that there's still a bug in the header file dealing with > images. I don't have access to bugzilla at the moment, but IIRC a couple of > parameters are swapped. > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 7 14:42:27 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 06:42:27 +1100 Subject: Developer SDK Version Number In-Reply-To: <84EEE5F2-FE3A-467A-93A2-000EE87FF6D5@mac.com> References: <84EEE5F2-FE3A-467A-93A2-000EE87FF6D5@mac.com> Message-ID: <4DE702A4-3FB0-4774-BA4F-F074AC7789FE@sweattechnologies.com> On 08/02/2013, at 3:44 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Does anyone have the latest version number for the Developer SDK "Externals Environment" for LiveCode? I have version 3. Yes although Trevor sent me one once that has some slight differences for Obj-C. Did you find a way forward with the shift keys? Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From pete at lcsql.com Thu Feb 7 15:18:44 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 12:18:44 -0800 Subject: Thinking the unthinkable. In-Reply-To: References: <510F9F34.2000305@gmail.com> <1360249588081-4660295.post@n4.nabble.com> <015D1616-8CC1-47D0-B7AF-2EC71996E02A@runrev.com> <2BCAB16E-86C8-4C77-9C77-27A8099E5DE4@verizon.net> Message-ID: Yep, I can confirm that from personal experience. And the donation rates are almost directly tied to how much promo is done on the project each day. The graphs are a great resource. Their linear regression shows a total of around $200k being raised at the current rate. I see there's way to embed a graph in a Kickstarter project page. I'm thinking that would be a good idea. Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Gabriel Johnson wrote: > I took a look at some graphs of successful kickstarter campaigns on > http://canhekick.it/, and it appears that a good percentage of them start > strong, lose steam in the middle, then pick up once again toward the end. > At the very least, the pledge rate seems to vary quite a bit as the > campaigns progress. > > Here's a graph of LiveCode's progress so far: > > http://canhekick.it/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Heather Laine wrote: > > > It appears to be a general statement, taken over all their projects as an > > entirety. > > > > Indeed, 20% on day 28 would not be cause for optimism. We are on day 8. > > > > Long way to go yet. Much to do. > > > > Onwards and upwards! > > > > Regards, > > > > Heather > > > > On 7 Feb 2013, at 17:09, Colin Holgate wrote: > > > > > Does that statement relate to a particular stage in the project? I > mean, > > if the project is at 20% an hour before the end, it probably won't reach > > 100%. > > > > > > > > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Heather Laine wrote: > > > > > >>> Of the projects that have reached 20% of their funding goal, 82% were > > successfully funded. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > Heather Laine > > Customer Services Manager > > http://www.runrev.com/ > > Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter > > > > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Feb 7 16:24:44 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 16:24:44 -0500 Subject: Developer SDK Version Number In-Reply-To: <4DE702A4-3FB0-4774-BA4F-F074AC7789FE@sweattechnologies.com> References: <84EEE5F2-FE3A-467A-93A2-000EE87FF6D5@mac.com> <4DE702A4-3FB0-4774-BA4F-F074AC7789FE@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <29C75D5E-1B38-4AB6-9AAE-4172B3E3DFC1@mac.com> Monte, No luck on the shift keys for mac but I am making headway on 'all' the rest of my needs for this project. 4.5 week deadline and many hurdles to over come. For such a simple project concept this one is turning out to be a challenge. But, It's work and I'm glad for it. Thanks for asking. Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 7, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 08/02/2013, at 3:44 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> Does anyone have the latest version number for the Developer SDK "Externals Environment" for LiveCode? I have version 3. > > Yes although Trevor sent me one once that has some slight differences for Obj-C. Did you find a way forward with the shift keys? > > Cheers > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 7 16:26:57 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:26:57 +1100 Subject: Developer SDK Version Number In-Reply-To: <29C75D5E-1B38-4AB6-9AAE-4172B3E3DFC1@mac.com> References: <84EEE5F2-FE3A-467A-93A2-000EE87FF6D5@mac.com> <4DE702A4-3FB0-4774-BA4F-F074AC7789FE@sweattechnologies.com> <29C75D5E-1B38-4AB6-9AAE-4172B3E3DFC1@mac.com> Message-ID: <9051B837-77B0-4144-9D2C-5A38B7640DAF@sweattechnologies.com> On 08/02/2013, at 8:24 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > No luck on the shift keys for mac but I am making headway on 'all' the rest of my needs for this project. 4.5 week deadline and many hurdles to over come. For such a simple project concept this one is turning out to be a challenge. But, It's work and I'm glad for it. Good! > > Thanks for asking. Sorry I couldn't help you out this time. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From harrison at all-auctions.com Thu Feb 7 18:08:45 2013 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:08:45 -0500 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <7D883B8A-2E7A-4554-A708-247895AB6F2A@all-auctions.com> Hi -=>JB<=-, Ok, this problem is very interesting then, and we need to figure out how it is happening. Notice that on the line below it still says next to your JB symbol. Thank you for your quick response. Rick On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:13 AM, "-=>JB<=-" wrote: > I do not know who you are and I have never heard of > all_auctions.com. > > If my posting included it somehow it was by automatic > inclusion without my knowledge. > > Therefore I will apologize for your suffering of having > your domain name listed but I personally did not list > it and do not owe you an apology. > > Investigate it further because I did not personally list it > and did not see it was automatically listed for some > reaon. If it was automatically listed you need to ask > whoever is controlling that to stop it because I most > likely won't be the only person to have that done. > > And I do not owe the people at pacifier.com an > apology either. > > -=>JB<=- > > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: > >> Hi -=>JB<=-, >> >> Could you please explain to me why you >> used my domain name in the "from" section >> of your email to the group? >> >> I certainly didn't authorize you to use my >> domain name when writing to this list! >> >> I think an apology to everyone is in order here >> and also to the good people at pacifier.com >> >> Thanks, >> >> Rick >> >> Please see the following line: >> >> On Feb 7, 2013, at 12:40 AM, -=@all-auctions.com>JB <=- wrote: >> >>> My websites that are located at On-Rev do not load and >>> I am not able to access my C-Panel either. >>> >>> Anyone else having problems? >>> >>> -=>JB<=- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 7 18:39:45 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 17:39:45 -0600 Subject: revOnline down again? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51143B41.8060106@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/5/13 1:58 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > I can log onto revOnline from the IDE menu, from the File menu (Share this > Stack) and from a browser. But I can't update stacks or make any changes. > Just tried today and it's still broken. I'm thinking it has something to do with the recent server move, that's what borked it the last time. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From dfepstein at comcast.net Thu Feb 7 19:13:53 2013 From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 19:13:53 -0500 Subject: Answer File crashes LC on PPC Mac 10.4 Message-ID: <26F9E39B-A8F0-4CE7-83F6-D038DEE7E3A3@comcast.net> I've just started using LC 5.5.3 on my desktop Mac Mini, with a power pc chip running System 10.4 as well as on my MacBook Air running 10.6. This very simple script crashes LC on the Mac Mini: on mouseUp answer file "Display what file?" put it end mouseUp When I stripped away the intended functions and left only this, and created a new stack with only one button to put this script in, the crashes are not consistent but they are very frequent. On the first try a file path will sometimes be displayed as expected, but the second or third click of the button causes a crash as soon as I choose the file. On my MacBook Air, I do not have this problem. Any one else have this experience, or suggestions? Many thanks. David Epstein From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Feb 7 19:18:09 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 16:18:09 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Possible NorCal Users Group/LiveCode Intro Meetup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All: Here's an update on the first BALUG (Bay Area LiveCode User Group) meeting. The date of Feb 25 6:30PM has been scheduled for the event, but it needs to be approved internally by Google staff. Our understanding is the approval process can take up to a week, so we need sit tight for the moment. But put a tentative checkmark on your digital calendar if you can attend, and I'll make another announcement as soon as I hear anything further. Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From: Scott Rossi Date: Saturday, February 2, 2013 4:26 PM > Are any of you LiveCode developers located in Northern California? > > Would you be interested in attending a LiveCode meetup in the hub of Silicon > Valley? > > Over the last several months, I've had discussions with a Google colleague of > mine about the possibility of having Google host a LiveCode meetup. Google > often hosts outside events/activities, and while my friend was willing to help > facilitate an event, he was unable to find the proper channels. Yesterday, > some new info came to light, and we may be able to arrange such an event. > > My original hope was simply to arrange a central location for a user group > meeting. But with RunRev's recent open source goal announcement, it occurred > to me that this could also be an opportunity to provide a LiveCode > introduction for folks who want more info, from developers who actually use > the platform. Google's Mountain View campus is centrally located in > California's Silicon Valley, so it's a prime location for such an event. > > What I would like to find out is: 1) If a meetup/event becomes possible, how > many folks here would be interested in attending within the next 2 weeks; and > 2) if you are interested, would you be up for doing a short presentation on > something you've built in LiveCode and/or how you use the platform? (The > latter is definitely not a requirement.) > > Nor is being in Northern California a requirement -- any folks wishing to > participate from outside the area (such as the SoCal user group, or anywhere > else) would be welcome. > > If you are interested in this happening and are available within the next 2 > weeks, please respond here or off list to me. I'd like to try to get a head > count to provide to my friend in case Google wants some sense of bodies to > accommodate. Even if you cannot make it within the next 2 weeks, please feel > free to respond as we don't yet have any official approval, but may be able to > arrange a later date. In my experience, outside events always take place in > the evening after work, so take that into consideration. > > I should say again, nothing has been approved yet, but there is reason to be > hopeful. Best case: we have a nice little informative event that perhaps gets > outside people onboard with LiveCode. Worst case: we get a room of 5 > LiveCoders chatting about arrays. :-) > > Thanks in advance for your responses. Let's see if we can make this happen. From sundown at pacifier.com Thu Feb 7 19:19:02 2013 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 16:19:02 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <7D883B8A-2E7A-4554-A708-247895AB6F2A@all-auctions.com> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <7D883B8A-2E7A-4554-A708-247895AB6F2A@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the reoly! I have no idea how it happened and am not the person to ask about it because I do not know that much about how things are routed etc. -=>JB<=- On Feb 7, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi -=>JB<=-, > > Ok, this problem is very interesting then, and we > need to figure out how it is happening. > > Notice that on the line below it still says > next to your JB symbol. > > Thank you for your quick response. > > Rick > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:13 AM, "-=>JB<=-" wrote: > >> I do not know who you are and I have never heard of >> all_auctions.com. >> >> If my posting included it somehow it was by automatic >> inclusion without my knowledge. >> >> Therefore I will apologize for your suffering of having >> your domain name listed but I personally did not list >> it and do not owe you an apology. >> >> Investigate it further because I did not personally list it >> and did not see it was automatically listed for some >> reaon. If it was automatically listed you need to ask >> whoever is controlling that to stop it because I most >> likely won't be the only person to have that done. >> >> And I do not owe the people at pacifier.com an >> apology either. >> >> -=>JB<=- >> >> >> On Feb 7, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: >> >>> Hi -=>JB<=-, >>> >>> Could you please explain to me why you >>> used my domain name in the "from" section >>> of your email to the group? >>> >>> I certainly didn't authorize you to use my >>> domain name when writing to this list! >>> >>> I think an apology to everyone is in order here >>> and also to the good people at pacifier.com >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> Please see the following line: >>> >>> On Feb 7, 2013, at 12:40 AM, -=@all-auctions.com>JB <=- wrote: >>> >>>> My websites that are located at On-Rev do not load and >>>> I am not able to access my C-Panel either. >>>> >>>> Anyone else having problems? >>>> >>>> -=>JB<=- >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From sundown at pacifier.com Thu Feb 7 19:22:58 2013 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 16:22:58 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <152A8AAB-9D50-455B-829A-B1696824862E@pacifier.com> That is interesting but I did not put them there. All I dud was post a message the same way I have been doing many years now. The only one I include is how to use livecode -=>JB<=- On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:55 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/7/13 8:13 AM, -=>JB<=- wrote: >> I do not know who you are and I have never heard of >> all_auctions.com. >> >> If my posting included it somehow it was by automatic >> inclusion without my knowledge. > > Here's part of the headers from your email as I received it. There are a couple of references to all-auctions, one in the reply-to field and the other in References. Something got switched. In my copy, the From field shows pacifier as the domain. > > Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ip27.102.dhcp-acs2.sea.iinet.com > [198.145.102.27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) > (No client certificate requested) > (Authenticated sender: sundown at pacifier.com) > by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1AD4838EF1 > for ; > Thu, 7 Feb 2013 06:14:18 -0800 (PST) > Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) > Subject: Re: On-Rev websites > From: "-=>JB<=-" > In-Reply-To: > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 06:13:54 -0800 > Message-Id: <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68 at pacifier.com> > References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623 at pacifier.com> > > To: How to use LiveCode > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 7 19:24:57 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 00:24:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: revOnline down again? References: <51143B41.8060106@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: J. Landman Gay writes: > Just tried today and it's still broken. I'm thinking it has something to > do with the recent server move, that's what borked it the last time. FWIW, support confirmed that it's a problem and "someone will look into it". -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 7 20:20:04 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 12:20:04 +1100 Subject: MacToISO Message-ID: Hi This may seem a silly question but the engine automatically translates custom property names for us from MacRoman to ISO 8859-1 and back. Now that we can use multi-dimensional custom property sets even though we can't directly get and set the properties are ALL the keys translated or just the set and property name? I'm guessing the latter but I guess I should test that... Really would be nice if the whole platform moved to utf8... stretch goal??? Cheers Monte -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Thu Feb 7 20:20:09 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:20:09 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <152A8AAB-9D50-455B-829A-B1696824862E@pacifier.com> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <152A8AAB-9D50-455B-829A-B1696824862E@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <3950A49F-86E4-46C9-A935-C0A2F0BF3D45@pbh.on-rev.com> I still see the same thing, your email looks like it comes from "-=>JB<=-" The headers seem to include odd domains, including Jacques' in one of the emails. Maybe if you removed the tags (< >) from your name, as Mark suggested would be worth a try, but I'm not an expert on email routing either. Just a thought. Paul On 2013-02-07, at 4:22 PM, -=>JB wrote: > That is interesting but I did not put them there. All I > dud was post a message the same way I have been > doing many years now. The only one I include is > how to use livecode > > -=>JB<=- > > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:55 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> On 2/7/13 8:13 AM, -=>JB<=- wrote: >>> I do not know who you are and I have never heard of >>> all_auctions.com. >>> >>> If my posting included it somehow it was by automatic >>> inclusion without my knowledge. >> >> Here's part of the headers from your email as I received it. There are a couple of references to all-auctions, one in the reply-to field and the other in References. Something got switched. In my copy, the From field shows pacifier as the domain. >> >> Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ip27.102.dhcp-acs2.sea.iinet.com >> [198.145.102.27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) >> (No client certificate requested) >> (Authenticated sender: sundown at pacifier.com) >> by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1AD4838EF1 >> for ; >> Thu, 7 Feb 2013 06:14:18 -0800 (PST) >> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) >> Subject: Re: On-Rev websites >> From: "-=>JB<=-" >> In-Reply-To: >> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 06:13:54 -0800 >> Message-Id: <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68 at pacifier.com> >> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623 at pacifier.com> >> >> To: How to use LiveCode >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From kee at kagi.com Thu Feb 7 20:34:11 2013 From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:34:11 -0800 Subject: MacToISO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 7, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Really would be nice if the whole platform moved to utf8... stretch goal??? Interesting, I just assumed that re-organizing the code would involve UTF8. My bad. BFA Kee From pete at lcsql.com Thu Feb 7 20:34:11 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:34:11 -0800 Subject: IDE Recent Files list Message-ID: Is there a way to clear the contents of the ID File Menu Recent Files list? Kind of off topic but I find the contents of the recent files list a little obscure sometimes, especially if you have stack files with the same name in different groups. I can;t quite figure out when LC decides to replace the initial folder name hierarchy with ".." Pete lcSQL Software From bonnmike at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 20:46:19 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:46:19 -0700 Subject: IDE Recent Files list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Easiest way is to go to preferences, files & memory pane, change the "recent files.." number to 0. Don't recall if a restart of lc is needed or not. When clear, change it back to 30. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Is there a way to clear the contents of the ID File Menu Recent Files list? > > Kind of off topic but I find the contents of the recent files list a little > obscure sometimes, especially if you have stack files with the same name in > different groups. I can;t quite figure out when LC decides to replace the > initial folder name hierarchy with ".." > > Pete > lcSQL Software > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 7 20:58:47 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:58:47 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> and more, now that I'm back home and looking at the headers... The original message came from -= > JB while the subsequent messages came from "-=>JB<=-" The first form is *very* suspicious (note the extra spaces and the lack of quoting), and I'd suggest it not be used in the future. You're both using Apple Mail, although different versions, and I think it's probable that the receiving mail client is evaluating the redirector if it's not quoted. I'd actually advise not doing that weird stuff with your email name in the first place, but it's your account to do with what you want. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From sundown at pacifier.com Thu Feb 7 21:04:17 2013 From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:04:17 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: How does it look now? -=>JB <=- On Feb 7, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > and more, now that I'm back home and looking at the headers... > The original message came from > -= > JB > > while the subsequent messages came from > > "-=>JB<=-" > > The first form is *very* suspicious (note the extra spaces and the > lack of quoting), and I'd suggest it not be used in the future. You're > both using Apple Mail, although different versions, and I think it's > probable that the receiving mail client is evaluating the redirector > if it's not quoted. > > I'd actually advise not doing that weird stuff with your email name in > the first place, but it's your account to do with what you want. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 7 21:10:51 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:10:51 +1100 Subject: MacToISO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <419091DF-C0A3-44AA-AAC9-4188FA82744F@sweattechnologies.com> On 08/02/2013, at 12:34 PM, kee nethery wrote: > Interesting, I just assumed that re-organizing the code would involve UTF8. My bad. Maybe it does... I hope so. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From pete at lcsql.com Thu Feb 7 21:19:43 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:19:43 -0800 Subject: IDE Recent Files list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Mike, will give that a whirl. Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > Easiest way is to go to preferences, files & memory pane, change the > "recent files.." number to 0. > Don't recall if a restart of lc is needed or not. > > When clear, change it back to 30. > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > Is there a way to clear the contents of the ID File Menu Recent Files > list? > > > > Kind of off topic but I find the contents of the recent files list a > little > > obscure sometimes, especially if you have stack files with the same name > in > > different groups. I can;t quite figure out when LC decides to replace > the > > initial folder name hierarchy with ".." > > > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Thu Feb 7 21:35:55 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:35:55 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Maybe a bit more to it yet? From: JB Subject: Re: On-Rev websites Date: 7 February, 2013 6:04:17 PM PST To: How to use LiveCode Reply-To: How to use LiveCode On 2013-02-07, at 6:04 PM, JB wrote: > How does it look now? > > -=>JB <=- > > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> >> and more, now that I'm back home and looking at the headers... >> The original message came from >> -= > JB >> >> while the subsequent messages came from >> >> "-=>JB<=-" >> >> The first form is *very* suspicious (note the extra spaces and the >> lack of quoting), and I'd suggest it not be used in the future. You're >> both using Apple Mail, although different versions, and I think it's >> probable that the receiving mail client is evaluating the redirector >> if it's not quoted. >> >> I'd actually advise not doing that weird stuff with your email name in >> the first place, but it's your account to do with what you want. >> >> -- >> -Mark Wieder >> mwieder at ahsoftware.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 7 21:39:25 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:39:25 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <106208279078.20130207183925@ahsoftware.net> JB- Thursday, February 7, 2013, 6:04:17 PM, you wrote: > How does it look now? The headers look fine to me. Guess we'll have to wait to hear back from Rick. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From sundown at pacifier.com Thu Feb 7 21:44:33 2013 From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:44:33 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <106208279078.20130207183925@ahsoftware.net> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> <106208279078.20130207183925@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Okay, thanks. -=>JB<=- On Feb 7, 2013, at 6:39 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > JB- > > Thursday, February 7, 2013, 6:04:17 PM, you wrote: > >> How does it look now? > > The headers look fine to me. Guess we'll have to wait to hear back > from Rick. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From nm at studionm.pl Fri Feb 8 01:36:22 2013 From: nm at studionm.pl (Marek Niesiobedzki) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 07:36:22 +0100 Subject: MacToISO Message-ID: <83779328-D1BD-4A85-8B69-170790CB95D5@studionm.pl> For a lot of languages UTF-8 is more important than anything else in LC. Now I have not very big problems with it, but working with UTF-8 is time consuming and for sure generating slower code then one made for just ASCII. Marek From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 8 02:01:18 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:01:18 +1100 Subject: MacToISO In-Reply-To: <83779328-D1BD-4A85-8B69-170790CB95D5@studionm.pl> References: <83779328-D1BD-4A85-8B69-170790CB95D5@studionm.pl> Message-ID: <889A8702-B6FF-43D2-A7EF-28C88E45B448@sweattechnologies.com> Agreed... everything is utf8 where the engine doesn't even need to worry about byte order really would suit LiveCode's cross platform nature. Crossing my fingers this is in there somewhere.... On 08/02/2013, at 5:36 PM, Marek Niesiobedzki wrote: > For a lot of languages UTF-8 is more important than anything else in LC. Now I have not very big problems with it, but working with UTF-8 is time consuming and for sure generating slower code then one made for just ASCII. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Feb 8 02:56:13 2013 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:56:13 +0100 Subject: what is LCs output for different platforms? Message-ID: <005101ce05d1$c490a2c0$4db1e840$@de> Hi, I just had a discussion with a (java and objective C) developer of iOS and android Apps and couldn't really explain what the output of LC is for the different platforms. This probably is discussed before more than once, but I didn't found a real answer. Does LC has a "native" engine in objective C, java etc. for every platform and "interprets" our scripts at runtime? Or does LC "compiles" our scripts for every platform in any native format? Or anything in between? Is the "apply" of a script just a save or kind of "precompilation" in a faster "machine code" to be interpreted at runtime? If this is answered anywhere, perhaps somebody can give me a pointer? Thanks Tiemo From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 8 03:04:49 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 19:04:49 +1100 Subject: what is LCs output for different platforms? In-Reply-To: <005101ce05d1$c490a2c0$4db1e840$@de> References: <005101ce05d1$c490a2c0$4db1e840$@de> Message-ID: <99058A24-606B-4087-B3F6-4D54ADE07227@sweattechnologies.com> The engine is a mash up of c++ and platform obj-c on iOS and java on android. Our scripts are compiled as they are loaded into memory not at runtime. Really looking forward to understanding more how it all works! -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 08/02/2013, at 6:56 PM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" wrote: > Hi, > > I just had a discussion with a (java and objective C) developer of iOS and > android Apps and couldn't really explain what the output of LC is for the > different platforms. This probably is discussed before more than once, but I > didn't found a real answer. > > Does LC has a "native" engine in objective C, java etc. for every platform > and "interprets" our scripts at runtime? Or does LC "compiles" our scripts > for every platform in any native format? Or anything in between? Is the > "apply" of a script just a save or kind of "precompilation" in a faster > "machine code" to be interpreted at runtime? > > If this is answered anywhere, perhaps somebody can give me a pointer? > > Thanks > > Tiemo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Feb 8 05:21:38 2013 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:21:38 +0100 Subject: AW: what is LCs output for different platforms? In-Reply-To: <99058A24-606B-4087-B3F6-4D54ADE07227@sweattechnologies.com> References: <005101ce05d1$c490a2c0$4db1e840$@de> <99058A24-606B-4087-B3F6-4D54ADE07227@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <007801ce05e6$14c588f0$3e509ad0$@de> Thanks for the info Monte Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag > von Monte Goulding > Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Februar 2013 09:05 > An: How to use LiveCode > Betreff: Re: what is LCs output for different platforms? > > The engine is a mash up of c++ and platform obj-c on iOS and java on > android. Our scripts are compiled as they are loaded into memory not at > runtime. Really looking forward to understanding more how it all works! > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 08/02/2013, at 6:56 PM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I just had a discussion with a (java and objective C) developer of iOS > > and android Apps and couldn't really explain what the output of LC is > > for the different platforms. This probably is discussed before more > > than once, but I didn't found a real answer. > > > > Does LC has a "native" engine in objective C, java etc. for every > > platform and "interprets" our scripts at runtime? Or does LC > > "compiles" our scripts for every platform in any native format? Or > > anything in between? Is the "apply" of a script just a save or kind of > > "precompilation" in a faster "machine code" to be interpreted at runtime? > > > > If this is answered anywhere, perhaps somebody can give me a pointer? > > > > Thanks > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Fri Feb 8 07:20:14 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 04:20:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: what is LCs output for different platforms? In-Reply-To: <99058A24-606B-4087-B3F6-4D54ADE07227@sweattechnologies.com> References: <005101ce05d1$c490a2c0$4db1e840$@de> <99058A24-606B-4087-B3F6-4D54ADE07227@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1360326014256-4660335.post@n4.nabble.com> Monte Goulding wrote > The engine is a mash up of c++ and platform obj-c on iOS and java on > android. Our scripts are compiled as they are loaded into memory not at > runtime. Interesting. I've never heard of that model before. A load-time compiler? So it neither distributes compiled binaries (machine code) or p-code (pre-compiled binaries for execution by a runtime interpreter), but rather source code that gets compiled and executed at (technically runtime but not in the same sense as an interpreter, more in the sense of a compiler??). Gosh, I don't even think I can coherently describe that :-) This does represent an interesting hybrid model. Thanks Monte -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/what-is-LCs-output-for-different-platforms-tp4660332p4660335.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Fri Feb 8 07:28:51 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 04:28:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Answer File crashes LC on PPC Mac 10.4 In-Reply-To: <26F9E39B-A8F0-4CE7-83F6-D038DEE7E3A3@comcast.net> References: <26F9E39B-A8F0-4CE7-83F6-D038DEE7E3A3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1360326531269-4660336.post@n4.nabble.com> dfepstein wrote > This very simple script crashes LC on the Mac Mini: i'd report it to support. -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Answer-File-crashes-LC-on-PPC-Mac-10-4-tp4660313p4660336.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 07:31:29 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:31:29 +0200 Subject: Answer File crashes LC on PPC Mac 10.4 In-Reply-To: <1360326531269-4660336.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <26F9E39B-A8F0-4CE7-83F6-D038DEE7E3A3@comcast.net> <1360326531269-4660336.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5114F021.9010508@gmail.com> On 02/08/2013 02:28 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > dfepstein wrote >> This very simple script crashes LC on the Mac Mini: > i'd report it to support. And, while you are waiting for that to be sorted out (which could be a long wait) I would get my hands on an earlier version for PPC builds. Richmond. > -- Mark > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Answer-File-crashes-LC-on-PPC-Mac-10-4-tp4660313p4660336.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From peterwawood at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 07:38:13 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:38:13 +0800 Subject: what is LCs output for different platforms? In-Reply-To: <1360326014256-4660335.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <005101ce05d1$c490a2c0$4db1e840$@de> <99058A24-606B-4087-B3F6-4D54ADE07227@sweattechnologies.com> <1360326014256-4660335.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: It is possible to create a binary executable with most scripting languages by building a binary that includes a full copy of the script interpreter and the script in source form. It is typically referred to as encapping a script. I'm sure this is the process with LiveCode. The technique is even used to produce a binary executable of Java programs though in those cases the Java byte code is encapped with a JVM. This technique is used for the JEdit text editor. Peter On 8 Feb 2013, at 20:20, Mark Smith wrote: > Monte Goulding wrote >> The engine is a mash up of c++ and platform obj-c on iOS and java on >> android. Our scripts are compiled as they are loaded into memory not at >> runtime. > > Interesting. I've never heard of that model before. A load-time compiler? So > it neither distributes compiled binaries (machine code) or p-code > (pre-compiled binaries for execution by a runtime interpreter), but rather > source code that gets compiled and executed at (technically runtime but not > in the same sense as an interpreter, more in the sense of a compiler??). > Gosh, I don't even think I can coherently describe that :-) > > This does represent an interesting hybrid model. Thanks Monte > > -- Mark > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/what-is-LCs-output-for-different-platforms-tp4660332p4660335.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Fri Feb 8 08:12:33 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 05:12:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: what is LCs output for different platforms? In-Reply-To: References: <005101ce05d1$c490a2c0$4db1e840$@de> <99058A24-606B-4087-B3F6-4D54ADE07227@sweattechnologies.com> <1360326014256-4660335.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1360329153420-4660339.post@n4.nabble.com> Peter W A Wood wrote > It is possible to create a binary executable with most scripting languages > by building a binary that includes a full copy of the script interpreter > and the script in source form. It is typically referred to as encapping a > script. I'm sure this is the process with LiveCode. > > The technique is even used to produce a binary executable of Java programs > though in those cases the Java byte code is encapped with a JVM. This > technique is used for the JEdit text editor. > > Peter And as if to answer our question... http://blog.runrev.com/blog/bid/266941/Taming-the-Monolith One of the things that fascinates me about the LC open-source initiative is the opportunity us geek types will get to learn from this. Its not only open-source, we are also getting an education as well. I wonder if there are opportunities to "promote" this as part of the kickstart campaign? -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/what-is-LCs-output-for-different-platforms-tp4660332p4660339.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pmbrig at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 08:40:23 2013 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:40:23 -0500 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <106208279078.20130207183925@ahsoftware.net> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> <106208279078.20130207183925@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <03B5E7E5-5919-422B-B622-4D93803BF78C@gmail.com> On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:39 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > JB- > > Thursday, February 7, 2013, 6:04:17 PM, you wrote: > >> How does it look now? > > The headers look fine to me. Guess we'll have to wait to hear back > from Rick. Not to me. Full headers below: Delivered-To: pmbrig at gmail.com Received: by 10.216.31.131 with SMTP id m3csp3763wea; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:05:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.54.103 with SMTP id i7mr2863495obp.62.1360289106707; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 18:05:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from var.on-rev.com (var.on-rev.com. [74.54.153.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rp4si29811965obc.183.2013.02.07.18.05.03 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Feb 2013 18:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com designates 74.54.153.68 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.54.153.68; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com designates 74.54.153.68 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1]:54140 helo=var.on-rev.com) by var.on-rev.com with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1U3dKS-0000Z4-On; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:04:40 -0600 Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net ([64.255.237.171]:53507) by var.on-rev.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1U3dKQ-0000Yp-QQ for use-livecode at lists.runrev.com; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:04:38 -0600 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ip27.102.dhcp-acs2.sea.iinet.com [198.145.102.27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: sundown at pacifier.com) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42E062C9BB for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:04:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: On-Rev websites Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) From: JB X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <86205841312.20130207175847 at ahsoftware.net> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:04:17 -0800 Message-Id: References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623 at pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68 at pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201 at hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847 at ahsoftware.net> To: How to use LiveCode X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-BeenThere: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: How to use LiveCode List-Id: How to use LiveCode List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com Sender: "use-livecode" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - var.on-rev.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gmail.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - lists.runrev.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: var.on-rev.com: acl_c_authenticated_local_user: mailman/mailman -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 10:57:29 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 17:57:29 +0200 Subject: Stack formats and the O-S version. Message-ID: <51152069.5020402@gmail.com> As, presumably, the O-S version of Livecode will enable everyone to open stacks whether they are in the pre-2.7, the pre-5.5 or the post 5.5 format why doesn't RunRev (or someone authorised by them) release a small widget to open post 5.5 stacks and offer to save them in either the pre-2.7 or the pre-5.5 format right now? Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 11:12:45 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 18:12:45 +0200 Subject: Calling all Facebook denizens. Message-ID: <511523FD.3090108@gmail.com> I have just seen the most recent video put out by Livecode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghvYqwsgsmI&feature=share and feel that it says a lot more than the previous offerings, so have posted it on my Facebook page with the following: "Why crawl to one's goal with overly verbose and complex C++ or PASCAL, or whatever, when one can travel there in air-conditioned comfort with Livecode." Anybody who wants to 'rip off' my comment is welcome to (err . . . it's open source). This really should be splattered around all over the various "social" networks. Richmond. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 8 11:54:32 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 08:54:32 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <03B5E7E5-5919-422B-B622-4D93803BF78C@gmail.com> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> <106208279078.20130207183925@ahsoftware.net> <03B5E7E5-5919-422B-B622-4D93803BF78C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49259585968.20130208085432@ahsoftware.net> Peter- Friday, February 8, 2013, 5:40:23 AM, you wrote: OK - I'll bite... what's wrong with those headers? I see sundown at pacifier.com as the authenticated sender. The message came from the smtp server at pacifier.net and originated from a machine with a dhcp address from iinet.com over a secure connection. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri Feb 8 12:05:03 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 12:05:03 -0500 Subject: Another Hardrive went down! Message-ID: Damn, I just had another Hard drive crash and burn. That's One computer and my two 'oldest' WD hard drives in two months. I will never buy another WD drive again. Period. What I lost was my 'daily' time machine backups this time. I had already just added a second new HD to the time machine setup when I got the new computer so I do have daily BU's since then but all the older ones are gone. Damn. Now this is why I also use Carbon Copy Clone since I like to separately back up my work folders on four drives AND still have a different Time Machine back up as well. I still have my CCC BU's the only thing I lost was my older monthly backups. Additionally I copy once a week by hand to a portable drive that I take with me offsite. I'm down to this setup now: One 1T HD that takes a Time Machine backup plus CCC backups - Full BU plus the two externals alternate every hour for daily BU's. One 2T HD that alternated Time Machine BU's plus CCC backups. - Full BU plus the two externals alternate every hour for daily BU's. One external Portable HD that has my Work folder and important documents backed up weekly - to take off site. Dropbox for my Work folder and important documents. - backed up daily to my Portable Google Drive for my Work folder and important documents. - backed up daily to my Portable I lost: WD drive 500 - was my Work and documents BU as well as some CCC BUs WD drive 1T - was my dedicated Time Machine backup - nothing else. This is the one that just Crashed and Burned. and of course I lost my Laptop which still runs but makes some really loud noises so I don't turn it on. I need to get another HD to dedicate to my Daily TM backups. Damn is all I got to say. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com From mkoob at rogers.com Fri Feb 8 12:10:48 2013 From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:10:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] Greater Toronto Area LiveCode User Group (gTALUG) Meetup Message-ID: <1360343448395-4660345.post@n4.nabble.com> I had some positive response to setting up a meetup for LiveCoders in Toronto so I decided to set up a meetup.com group. http://www.meetup.com/Greater-Toronto-Area-LiveCode-Users-Group/ On the site I have posted suggestions for a first meetup. If you are in the area please join and RSVP. Martin Koob -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Greater-Toronto-Area-LiveCode-User-Group-gTALUG-Meetup-tp4660345.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 8 12:17:37 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 12:17:37 -0500 Subject: Another Hardrive went down! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a 2TB WD drive, and so far that's going well. It's my Time Machine drive, and has a backup of several older drives that have died. I may get another one, to have a complete clone of the first one. Hopefully my luck will hold out. Have you thought about SSD drives? I have a 750 GB one in my MacBook Pro 13 inch, and they are quite fast, and presumably resistant to head crashes! From lvhdgc7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 12:48:04 2013 From: lvhdgc7 at gmail.com (tbodine) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 09:48:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to disable exit from an Android app Message-ID: <1360345684620-4660347.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi all. I'm working on a kiosk project and need a way to block the user from quitting or switching out of the LiveCode app on an Android tablet. Is that possible with LiveCode or with an external? Thanks, Tom Bodine -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-disable-exit-from-an-Android-app-tp4660347.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri Feb 8 12:58:44 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 12:58:44 -0500 Subject: Another Hardrive went down! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7FFBAD24-AF2D-4360-99AD-FF2D074DB46C@mac.com> Colin, I have the fusion hybrid drive right now that is both an SSD and traditional drive in my new 27" iMac. Very very fast. As prices come down I plan on looking into some kind of external drive that is straight SSD. Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 8, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > I have a 2TB WD drive, and so far that's going well. It's my Time Machine drive, and has a backup of several older drives that have died. I may get another one, to have a complete clone of the first one. Hopefully my luck will hold out. > > Have you thought about SSD drives? I have a 750 GB one in my MacBook Pro 13 inch, and they are quite fast, and presumably resistant to head crashes! > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Feb 8 12:59:10 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 09:59:10 -0800 Subject: How to disable exit from an Android app In-Reply-To: <1360345684620-4660347.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1360345684620-4660347.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Try trapping shutdownRequest. Bob On Feb 8, 2013, at 9:48 AM, tbodine wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm working on a kiosk project and need a way to block the user from > quitting or switching out of the LiveCode app on an Android tablet. Is that > possible with LiveCode or with an external? > > Thanks, > Tom Bodine > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-disable-exit-from-an-Android-app-tp4660347.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 8 13:01:17 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:01:17 -0500 Subject: How to disable exit from an Android app In-Reply-To: <1360345684620-4660347.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1360345684620-4660347.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <65903A84-5019-4B43-81E3-6AFE72ECC829@verizon.net> Some searching will find things like this: http://www.42gears.com/surelock/surelockandroid.html If iOS ever become an option, iOS 6 has a built in restrictions feature, where you can disable pretty well everything, and yet get back to the home screen if you know the passcode. From harrison at all-auctions.com Fri Feb 8 13:05:36 2013 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:05:36 -0500 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Hi JB, Still getting the It looks exactly like the following line: On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:04 PM, JB wrote: > How does it look now? > > -=>JB <=- > > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> >> and more, now that I'm back home and looking at the headers... >> The original message came from >> -= > JB >> >> while the subsequent messages came from >> >> "-=>JB<=-" >> >> The first form is *very* suspicious (note the extra spaces and the >> lack of quoting), and I'd suggest it not be used in the future. You're >> both using Apple Mail, although different versions, and I think it's >> probable that the receiving mail client is evaluating the redirector >> if it's not quoted. >> >> I'd actually advise not doing that weird stuff with your email name in >> the first place, but it's your account to do with what you want. >> >> -- >> -Mark Wieder >> mwieder at ahsoftware.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From harrison at all-auctions.com Fri Feb 8 13:07:50 2013 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:07:50 -0500 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> <106208279078.20130207183925@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Hi again JB, Well at least my domain isn't listed anymore. Still getting that @pacifier.com though. Rick (See below) On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:44 PM, JB wrote: > Okay, thanks. > > -=>JB<=- > > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 6:39 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> JB- >> >> Thursday, February 7, 2013, 6:04:17 PM, you wrote: >> >>> How does it look now? >> >> The headers look fine to me. Guess we'll have to wait to hear back >> from Rick. >> >> -- >> -Mark Wieder >> mwieder at ahsoftware.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 8 13:32:31 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Another Hardrive went down! References: Message-ID: Colin Holgate writes: > Have you thought about SSD drives? I have a 750 GB one in my MacBook Pro 13 inch, and they are quite fast, and > presumably resistant to head crashes! The problem with pure SSDs is that they have a limited write-cycle lifetime. They're great for storing files (lots of reads, few writes) but if that's the only (or main) drive in your system the swap cycles are going to seriously affect the life of the storage medium. On linux you can point the /swap partition to a real hard drive to solve that problem. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 8 14:03:11 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:03:11 -0500 Subject: Another Hardrive went down! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://maxschireson.com/2011/04/21/debunking-ssd-lifespan-and-random-write-performance-concerns/ On Feb 8, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > >The problem with pure SSDs is that they have a limited write-cycle lifetime. From sc at sahores-conseil.com Fri Feb 8 14:05:42 2013 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:05:42 +0100 Subject: Another Hardrive went down! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0A8DCDFF-4635-4CA1-9DA3-03E57F13719A@sahores-conseil.com> Mark, Just purchased two 512 Go SSD drives to replace the HDs of my MBPs while one of them went slowing down dramatically over the 15 last days. In reading your post, it seems that my two 2 TB LaCie TimeMachine backUp drives won't become less important than before? Will let know there what the operational live cycle of those SSDs is to the end but, in your experience, do you think that i can expect to get them OK for weeks, months or years with 8 Go RAM in each MBP ? Best, Pierre Le 8 f?vr. 2013 ? 19:32, Mark Wieder a ?crit : > Colin Holgate writes: > >> Have you thought about SSD drives? I have a 750 GB one in my MacBook Pro 13 > inch, and they are quite fast, and >> presumably resistant to head crashes! > > The problem with pure SSDs is that they have a limited write-cycle lifetime. > They're great for storing files (lots of reads, few writes) but if that's the > only (or main) drive in your system the swap cycles are going to seriously > affect the life of the storage medium. On linux you can point the /swap > partition to a real hard drive to solve that problem. > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 8 14:22:35 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:22:35 -0600 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> <106208279078.20130207183925@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <5115507B.9060809@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/8/13 12:07 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi again JB, > > Well at least my domain isn't listed anymore. > > Still getting that @pacifier.com though. Isn't that his correct email? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 8 14:26:21 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:26:21 -0600 Subject: Stack formats and the O-S version. In-Reply-To: <51152069.5020402@gmail.com> References: <51152069.5020402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5115515D.6050604@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/8/13 9:57 AM, Richmond wrote: > As, presumably, the O-S version of Livecode will enable everyone > to open stacks whether they are in the pre-2.7, the pre-5.5 or the post > 5.5 format > why doesn't RunRev (or someone authorised by them) release a small > widget to > open post 5.5 stacks and offer to save them in either > the pre-2.7 or the pre-5.5 format right now? Anyone with 5.5+ could do that with a standalone in about two minutes. If someone else doesn't do it, I'll write one pretty soon. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 8 14:27:01 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:27:01 -0800 Subject: Background groups Message-ID: Trying to avoid any gotchas before embarking on some work involving background groups and there's precious little information about them. Are there characteristics of background groups other than the background behavior property property that must be consistent on whichever card they are on in order for them to behave as bg groups? Layer/ID/ Name, for example? Do background groups behave differently depending on whether their shared behavior property is true? If I copy and paste a bg group onto a card instead of using the place command, does it mess up it "backgroundness"? If not, what's the purpose of the place command If I delete a bg group from a card rather than use the remove command, does that in any way affect its instances on other cards? If not, what's the purpose of the remove command? I notice that if I copy and paste a card with a bg group on it into a different stack, the bg group is still there and has its background property set. If I then create a new card in this stack, the background group is on it. Will it still behave like a background group linked to the background group in the original stack? Thanks for satisfying my curiosity! Pete lcSQL Software From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 14:37:47 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 21:37:47 +0200 Subject: Stack formats and the O-S version. In-Reply-To: <5115515D.6050604@hyperactivesw.com> References: <51152069.5020402@gmail.com> <5115515D.6050604@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <5115540B.6020100@gmail.com> On 02/08/2013 09:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/8/13 9:57 AM, Richmond wrote: >> As, presumably, the O-S version of Livecode will enable everyone >> to open stacks whether they are in the pre-2.7, the pre-5.5 or the post >> 5.5 format >> why doesn't RunRev (or someone authorised by them) release a small >> widget to >> open post 5.5 stacks and offer to save them in either >> the pre-2.7 or the pre-5.5 format right now? > > Anyone with 5.5+ could do that with a standalone in about two minutes. > If someone else doesn't do it, I'll write one pretty soon. > Lovely, Thanks. From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Feb 8 14:47:35 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:47:35 -0800 Subject: Background groups In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Pete: "Place" adds an instance of an existing group to a card. Copy & paste creates a new group object. Deleting a group physically deletes it from the stack. Removing a group removes the instance of the group from the card, but doesn't delete the group from the stack. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/8/13 11:27 AM, "Peter Haworth" wrote: >Trying to avoid any gotchas before embarking on some work involving >background groups and there's precious little information about them. > >Are there characteristics of background groups other than the background >behavior property property that must be consistent on whichever card they >are on in order for them to behave as bg groups? Layer/ID/ Name, for >example? > >Do background groups behave differently depending on whether their shared >behavior property is true? > >If I copy and paste a bg group onto a card instead of using the place >command, does it mess up it "backgroundness"? If not, what's >the purpose of the place command > >If I delete a bg group from a card rather than use the remove command, >does >that in any way affect its instances on other cards? If not, what's the >purpose of the remove command? > >I notice that if I copy and paste a card with a bg group on it into a >different stack, the bg group is still there and has its background >property set. If I then create a new card in this stack, the background >group is on it. Will it still behave like a background group linked to >the >background group in the original stack? > >Thanks for satisfying my curiosity! > > >Pete >lcSQL Software >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From devin_asay at byu.edu Fri Feb 8 14:49:03 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 19:49:03 +0000 Subject: Background groups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFED46F@Peas2.byu.local> Hi Pete! On Feb 8, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Trying to avoid any gotchas before embarking on some work involving > background groups and there's precious little information about them. This is how I introduce groups to my students. (Apologies if it's too basic. And I can see now that it is a bit dated, having been done before the shared group property was created.): http://livecode.byu.edu/groups/Groups.php > > Are there characteristics of background groups other than the background > behavior property property that must be consistent on whichever card they > are on in order for them to behave as bg groups? Layer/ID/ Name, for > example? Not sure exactly what you're asking, but setting the backgroundBehavior prop to true is all that is needed. You do have to be careful about what handlers your background group has in it, because they can be invoked by any control on the card, or the card itself, because bg groups come after the card in the message hierarchy. > > Do background groups behave differently depending on whether their shared > behavior property is true? AFAIK when the backgroundBehavior property is true, the shared group property is true by default/definition. > > If I copy and paste a bg group onto a card instead of using the place > command, does it mess up it "backgroundness"? If not, what's > the purpose of the place command You can copy and paste a bg group to a card and it will retain its backgroundBehavior setting. But it will create a new group in the stack, unrelated to the other group of the same name. It'll have a different ID. Use Place Group to make the group appear on your card. > > If I delete a bg group from a card rather than use the remove command, does > that in any way affect its instances on other cards? If not, what's the > purpose of the remove command? If you delete a group from a stack it is deleted for all cards it was one. It's just gone, poof, joined the choir invisible. Remove Group takes the group off the card without deleting it from the stack. It is even possible to have a group in a stack that isn't showing on any card. > > I notice that if I copy and paste a card with a bg group on it into a > different stack, the bg group is still there and has its background > property set. If I then create a new card in this stack, the background > group is on it. Will it still behave like a background group linked to the > background group in the original stack? No. > > Thanks for satisfying my curiosity! Glad to help! Devin Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From gwjapp at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 15:14:02 2013 From: gwjapp at gmail.com (Gabriel Johnson) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:14:02 -0500 Subject: Answer File crashes LC on PPC Mac 10.4 In-Reply-To: <5114F021.9010508@gmail.com> References: <26F9E39B-A8F0-4CE7-83F6-D038DEE7E3A3@comcast.net> <1360326531269-4660336.post@n4.nabble.com> <5114F021.9010508@gmail.com> Message-ID: Or, if you have the ability to cheaply do so, you may want to upgrade to OS X 10.5. I have a Mac Mini G4 with OS X 10.5.8 on it- I'm not getting this issue. I had another issue which occurred specifically on a 10.4 G4 machine which is not occurring on this 10.5 Mac Mini G4. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 02/08/2013 02:28 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > >> dfepstein wrote >> >>> This very simple script crashes LC on the Mac Mini: >>> >> i'd report it to support. >> > > And, while you are waiting for that to be sorted out (which could be a > long wait) > I would get my hands on an earlier version for PPC builds. > > Richmond. > > > -- Mark >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.** >> 278305.n4.nabble.com/Answer-**File-crashes-LC-on-PPC-Mac-10-** >> 4-tp4660313p4660336.html >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 8 15:20:17 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Another Hardrive went down! References: Message-ID: Colin Holgate writes: > > http://maxschireson.com/2011/04/21/debunking-ssd-lifespan-and-random-write-performance-concerns/ Not sure what your point is here. Did you read this? The comments in particular are very instructive. Example: "I have already started reading more complaints in Apple forums on SSD failures after a couple years. Macbook Air?s have not been out that long. If I had it to do over, I would have bought a Macbook Pro with a nice 7200RPM drive." -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 8 15:52:54 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 20:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: IDE Recent Files list References: Message-ID: Peter Haworth writes: > Is there a way to clear the contents of the ID File Menu Recent Files list? You might also want to look at the revPreferences stack, and in particular the customproperties "cRecentPaths" and "cRecentStackPaths". I'm not sure why there are two of these, and it's probably just a historical artifact of the IDE, but there you go. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri Feb 8 16:06:56 2013 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:06:56 -0800 Subject: Another Hardrive went down! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 1. I've been warning people for years about WD drives. The worst. After being burned a few times, by 2004 I've insisted on Seagate and have had one fail out of 20. The MTBFs of the new generation of dense drives are nothing short of amazing. And I run my drives HARD with video and audio work. I don't use time machine. I put all my work data on an external drive, and create an identical drive and make incremental backups at the end of the day. Data in pairs. 2. I would likely use SSDs as 'work' drives. Put a project on there and use for speedier rendering, OR use it as a boot drive for quick startups. But never as an archive. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Damn, I just had another Hard drive crash and burn. That's One computer > and my two 'oldest' WD hard drives in two months. I will never buy another > WD drive again. Period. > > What I lost was my 'daily' time machine backups this time. I had already > just added a second new HD to the time machine setup when I got the new > computer so I do have daily BU's since then but all the older ones are > gone. Damn. > > Now this is why I also use Carbon Copy Clone since I like to separately > back up my work folders on four drives AND still have a different Time > Machine back up as well. I still have my CCC BU's the only thing I lost was > my older monthly backups. > Additionally I copy once a week by hand to a portable drive that I take > with me offsite. > > I'm down to this setup now: > One 1T HD that takes a Time Machine backup plus CCC backups - Full BU plus > the two externals alternate every hour for daily BU's. > One 2T HD that alternated Time Machine BU's plus CCC backups. - Full BU > plus the two externals alternate every hour for daily BU's. > One external Portable HD that has my Work folder and important documents > backed up weekly - to take off site. > Dropbox for my Work folder and important documents. - backed up daily to > my Portable > Google Drive for my Work folder and important documents. - backed up daily > to my Portable > > I lost: > WD drive 500 - was my Work and documents BU as well as some CCC BUs > WD drive 1T - was my dedicated Time Machine backup - nothing else. This is > the one that just Crashed and Burned. > > and of course I lost my Laptop which still runs but makes some really loud > noises so I don't turn it on. > > I need to get another HD to dedicate to my Daily TM backups. > > Damn is all I got to say. > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 8 16:13:11 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:13:11 -0800 Subject: Background groups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Scott, think I have that straight. On the remove command, I think I'm right in saying that if I remove a group from a card and it's the last instance of the group in the stack, it is still in the stack even though it's not any card. If I subsequently want to put that group back on a card how do I refer to it in the place command? Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Hi Pete: > > "Place" adds an instance of an existing group to a card. > Copy & paste creates a new group object. > > Deleting a group physically deletes it from the stack. > Removing a group removes the instance of the group from the card, but > doesn't delete the group from the stack. > > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > > On 2/8/13 11:27 AM, "Peter Haworth" wrote: > > >Trying to avoid any gotchas before embarking on some work involving > >background groups and there's precious little information about them. > > > >Are there characteristics of background groups other than the background > >behavior property property that must be consistent on whichever card they > >are on in order for them to behave as bg groups? Layer/ID/ Name, for > >example? > > > >Do background groups behave differently depending on whether their shared > >behavior property is true? > > > >If I copy and paste a bg group onto a card instead of using the place > >command, does it mess up it "backgroundness"? If not, what's > >the purpose of the place command > > > >If I delete a bg group from a card rather than use the remove command, > >does > >that in any way affect its instances on other cards? If not, what's the > >purpose of the remove command? > > > >I notice that if I copy and paste a card with a bg group on it into a > >different stack, the bg group is still there and has its background > >property set. If I then create a new card in this stack, the background > >group is on it. Will it still behave like a background group linked to > >the > >background group in the original stack? > > > >Thanks for satisfying my curiosity! > > > > > >Pete > >lcSQL Software > >_______________________________________________ > >use-livecode mailing list > >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >subscription preferences: > >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pete at lcsql.com Fri Feb 8 16:17:29 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:17:29 -0800 Subject: Background groups In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFED46F@Peas2.byu.local> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFED46F@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: Thanks Devin, perfect write up as usual. Even answered my reply to Scott about how to place a group back on a card after it's been removed from all cards (Place Group on the Object menu). I think I'm good to go now. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Devin Asay wrote: > http://livecode.byu.edu/groups/Groups.php Pete lcSQL Software From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 8 16:21:16 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:21:16 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> <106208279078.20130207183925@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <42275589750.20130208132116@ahsoftware.net> Rick- Friday, February 8, 2013, 10:07:50 AM, you wrote: > Hi again JB, > Well at least my domain isn't listed anymore. > Still getting that @pacifier.com though. ... and ... ? -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From pmbrig at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 17:38:36 2013 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 17:38:36 -0500 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <49259585968.20130208085432@ahsoftware.net> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> <106208279078.20130207183925@ahsoftware.net> <03B5E7E5-5919-422B-B622-4D93803BF78C@gmail.com> <49259585968.20130208085432@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <37130C32-5BC6-47C5-A082-AC21C0ED876C@gmail.com> I guess it was my mistake -- I thought that the problem was the use of the pacifier.net domain. I really don't understand email headers very well. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Peter- > > Friday, February 8, 2013, 5:40:23 AM, you wrote: > > OK - I'll bite... what's wrong with those headers? I see > sundown at pacifier.com as the authenticated sender. The message came > from the smtp server at pacifier.net and originated from a machine > with a dhcp address from iinet.com over a secure connection. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Feb 8 18:22:54 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 15:22:54 -0800 Subject: what is LCs output for different platforms? In-Reply-To: <005101ce05d1$c490a2c0$4db1e840$@de> References: <005101ce05d1$c490a2c0$4db1e840$@de> Message-ID: <7A1799D7-AA76-44FB-B5B0-E8B0B9A7C24F@me.com> They take the engine minus the IDE stuff, and glue your stack to it, including substacks. The engine is I believe written primarily in C++ so I suppose you could tell them that. DBase worked similarly. You could either create a standalone app, or you could include a runtime engine and you source code in your distribution. Building a Livecode app with separate stacks included is a kind of mishmash of both approaches. Bob On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:56 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hi, > > I just had a discussion with a (java and objective C) developer of iOS and > android Apps and couldn't really explain what the output of LC is for the > different platforms. This probably is discussed before more than once, but I > didn't found a real answer. > > Does LC has a "native" engine in objective C, java etc. for every platform > and "interprets" our scripts at runtime? Or does LC "compiles" our scripts > for every platform in any native format? Or anything in between? Is the > "apply" of a script just a save or kind of "precompilation" in a faster > "machine code" to be interpreted at runtime? > > If this is answered anywhere, perhaps somebody can give me a pointer? > > Thanks > > Tiemo From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Feb 8 18:53:13 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 15:53:13 -0800 Subject: Calling all Facebook denizens. In-Reply-To: <511523FD.3090108@gmail.com> References: <511523FD.3090108@gmail.com> Message-ID: Duly shared. On Feb 8, 2013, at 8:12 AM, Richmond wrote: > I have just seen the most recent video put out by Livecode: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghvYqwsgsmI&feature=share > > and feel that it says a lot more than the previous offerings, so > have posted it on my Facebook page with the following: > > "Why crawl to one's goal with overly verbose and complex C++ or PASCAL, > or whatever, when one can travel there in air-conditioned comfort with Livecode." > > Anybody who wants to 'rip off' my comment is welcome to (err . . . it's open source). > > This really should be splattered around all over the various "social" networks. > > Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Feb 8 18:55:12 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 15:55:12 -0800 Subject: IDE Recent Files list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C031BDC-9F28-4B40-80BA-F22478769185@me.com> That may be why sometimes my typically predictable recent file list becomes a mishmash of all sorts of things I never opened. Bob On Feb 8, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Peter Haworth writes: > >> Is there a way to clear the contents of the ID File Menu Recent Files list? > > You might also want to look at the revPreferences stack, and in particular the > customproperties "cRecentPaths" and "cRecentStackPaths". I'm not sure why there > are two of these, and it's probably just a historical artifact of the IDE, but > there you go. > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Feb 8 18:59:01 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 15:59:01 -0800 Subject: Another Hardrive went down! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67C65F8A-99D6-44B3-ACE8-F11D007CDCED@me.com> WD had a problem with their one gig drives. Apple had to invoke a recall program for them because they put them into iMacs among other things, and the drives went bad typically before the warranty period was up, but many times just after. I also noticed they get hot. VERY hot. Too hot to hold if they are in an enclosure without adequate active cooling. I think there was a problem with their bearings. I have fried 2 of them. Their green series don't have this problem, but they run slower (to use less energy I suppose). But I agree. At present I think it's a good idea to steer clear of their 1gig+ drives until they figure out what is wrong. I favor Seagate right now. Bob On Feb 8, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Damn, I just had another Hard drive crash and burn. That's One computer and my two 'oldest' WD hard drives in two months. I will never buy another WD drive again. Period. From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Feb 8 19:01:34 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:01:34 -0800 Subject: Another Hardrive went down! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21DADCC3-9D6A-4957-B81E-3E5BEEAAC961@me.com> Love CCC. It will backup the entire hard drive as an exact duplicate, then you can schedule backups that only update the altered files. Why this approach? Because assuming both drives are the same form factor, you can simply replace the defective drive with the backup drive and be up and running in no time. Bob On Feb 8, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Now this is why I also use Carbon Copy Clone since I like to separately back up my work folders on four drives AND still have a different Time Machine back up as well. I still have my CCC BU's the only thing I lost was my older monthly backups. > Additionally I copy once a week by hand to a portable drive that I take with me offsite. From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Feb 8 19:02:37 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:02:37 -0800 Subject: Another Hardrive went down! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It won't. Remember the words of the prophet Murphy. Bob On Feb 8, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > I have a 2TB WD drive, and so far that's going well. It's my Time Machine drive, and has a backup of several older drives that have died. I may get another one, to have a complete clone of the first one. Hopefully my luck will hold out. From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Feb 8 19:06:49 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:06:49 -0800 Subject: Another Hardrive went down! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78D427E9-89C3-4B2D-B42B-F13437C3E9EC@me.com> I think it depends on the usage. It also depends on your expectation for a classic drive with no SSD. Most recommend replacing a mission critical drive after 3 years whether or not you need to. Given that, an SSD drive may, with an adequate backup and recovery strategy, be a very good solution for those needing the speed gains, which are significant, especially for disk intensive operations. Bob On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > http://maxschireson.com/2011/04/21/debunking-ssd-lifespan-and-random-write-performance-concerns/ > > > On Feb 8, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> >>> The problem with pure SSDs is that they have a limited write-cycle lifetime. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Feb 8 19:17:02 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:17:02 -0800 Subject: Background groups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D125A27-FE0A-4AE9-997C-A395ABCFBE4C@me.com> You've got it. Refer to it by name or ID, assuming your names are unique, or ID. I'm a staunch believer in every object having a unique name anyway, so I prefix all my objects with a 2 or 3 character code like bg, btn, fld, mnu etc. Sorts nicely in lists too. Bob On Feb 8, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Thanks Scott, think I have that straight. > > On the remove command, I think I'm right in saying that if I remove a group > from a card and it's the last instance of the group in the stack, it is > still in the stack even though it's not any card. If I subsequently want > to put that group back on a card how do I refer to it in the place command? > > Pete > lcSQL Software > > From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Feb 8 19:17:38 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:17:38 -0800 Subject: Background groups In-Reply-To: References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFED46F@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <677991E2-2D23-4442-899E-CA42E25B9249@me.com> Ah! I thought you meant place by script. Bob On Feb 8, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Thanks Devin, perfect write up as usual. Even answered my reply to Scott > about how to place a group back on a card after it's been removed from all > cards (Place Group on the Object menu). > > I think I'm good to go now. From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Feb 8 19:28:00 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:28:00 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: JB On Feb 7, 2013, at 6:04 PM, JB wrote: > How does it look now? > > -=>JB <=- > > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> >> and more, now that I'm back home and looking at the headers... >> The original message came from >> -= > JB >> >> while the subsequent messages came from >> >> "-=>JB<=-" >> >> The first form is *very* suspicious (note the extra spaces and the >> lack of quoting), and I'd suggest it not be used in the future. You're >> both using Apple Mail, although different versions, and I think it's >> probable that the receiving mail client is evaluating the redirector >> if it's not quoted. >> >> I'd actually advise not doing that weird stuff with your email name in >> the first place, but it's your account to do with what you want. >> >> -- >> -Mark Wieder >> mwieder at ahsoftware.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From sundown at pacifier.com Fri Feb 8 19:57:24 2013 From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:57:24 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> <106208279078.20130207183925@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <6D77F24B-51CC-4D9B-9504-436FA87EDC43@pacifier.com> Hi Rick, Okay, glad to hear things are fine with you. -=>JB<=- On Feb 8, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi again JB, > > Well at least my domain isn't listed anymore. > > Still getting that @pacifier.com though. > > Rick > > (See below) > > On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:44 PM, JB wrote: > >> Okay, thanks. >> >> -=>JB<=- >> >> >> On Feb 7, 2013, at 6:39 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> >>> JB- >>> >>> Thursday, February 7, 2013, 6:04:17 PM, you wrote: >>> >>>> How does it look now? >>> >>> The headers look fine to me. Guess we'll have to wait to hear back >>> from Rick. >>> >>> -- >>> -Mark Wieder >>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From sundown at pacifier.com Fri Feb 8 19:59:48 2013 From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:59:48 -0800 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <5115507B.9060809@hyperactivesw.com> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> <106208279078.20130207183925@ahsoftware.net> <5115507B.9060809@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <9CC3FD79-2495-4B70-A863-3FBEA187D8E1@pacifier.com> My email address is sundown at pacifier.com -=>JB<=- On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:22 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/8/13 12:07 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: >> Hi again JB, >> >> Well at least my domain isn't listed anymore. >> >> Still getting that @pacifier.com though. > > Isn't that his correct email? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From harrison at all-auctions.com Fri Feb 8 21:07:49 2013 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 21:07:49 -0500 Subject: On-Rev websites In-Reply-To: <9CC3FD79-2495-4B70-A863-3FBEA187D8E1@pacifier.com> References: <943F7494-17B9-4CC9-98EB-CF7D84FF3623@pacifier.com> <65BFDCF4-03C3-4197-BF3B-35E4F1D1EF68@pacifier.com> <5113EA91.6070201@hyperactivesw.com> <86205841312.20130207175847@ahsoftware.net> <106208279078.20130207183925@ahsoftware.net> <5115507B.9060809@hyperactivesw.com> <9CC3FD79-2495-4B70-A863-3FBEA187D8E1@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <4F8A68E3-B461-4EE7-BDD9-58184CB0F697@all-auctions.com> Hi JB, Looks like everything is good then. Thank you for your patience. Rick On Feb 8, 2013, at 7:59 PM, JB wrote: > My email address is sundown at pacifier.com > > -=>JB<=- > > > On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:22 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> On 2/8/13 12:07 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: >>> Hi again JB, >>> >>> Well at least my domain isn't listed anymore. >>> >>> Still getting that @pacifier.com though. >> >> Isn't that his correct email? >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From nm at studionm.pl Sat Feb 9 03:27:08 2013 From: nm at studionm.pl (Marek Niesiobedzki) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 09:27:08 +0100 Subject: Another Hardrive went down! Message-ID: <7869F1F6-09F5-474D-8F79-D3A6DDD59992@studionm.pl> It's true about write limits in SSD, but don't wzory about the data. After go to the limit of writes you are still bale to read your data. Marek From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 05:01:14 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 12:01:14 +0200 Subject: "is made with Livecode" Message-ID: <51161E6A.7030703@gmail.com> On the Facebook page for my 'Devawriter Pro' I have a link to the latest offering from "Those op north": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghvYqwsgsmI&feature=share under the heading 'Devawriter is made with this.' On the RunRev site there are a number of programs developed with Livecode mentioned: but not ALL of them to be sure. What might help drive the Kickstart appeal forward is a page (either on the RunRev site, or elsewhere, with links) listing ALL the stuff made with Livecode; all the way from tiddly-little EFL programs all the way up to whatever NASA is doing with it, with links to all the relevant websites. This would serve everybody; in terms of showing would-be contributors to the Kickstart appeal the vast breadth of possibilities, would-be users of Livecode the same, and advertising those products. Richmond. From sc at sahores-conseil.com Sat Feb 9 07:08:40 2013 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 13:08:40 +0100 Subject: Another Hardrive went down! In-Reply-To: <7869F1F6-09F5-474D-8F79-D3A6DDD59992@studionm.pl> References: <7869F1F6-09F5-474D-8F79-D3A6DDD59992@studionm.pl> Message-ID: Thanks Marek for this useful info. Pierre Le 9 f?vr. 2013 ? 09:27, Marek Niesiobedzki a ?crit : > It's true about write limits in SSD, but don't wzory about the data. > > After go to the limit of writes you are still bale to read your data. > > Marek > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 12:57:08 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 19:57:08 +0200 Subject: PPC ? Message-ID: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> What chance: 1. A Mac PPC version of O-S Livecode? 2. A Linux PPC version of O-S Livecode? Lots of underfunded schools "out there" running PPC Macs with either of those Operating Systems. Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 13:05:31 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 20:05:31 +0200 Subject: Reposting: Windows 7, Livecode and Unicode fonts. Message-ID: <51168FEB.8020909@gmail.com> At the risk of being a pain in the bum (what, me? surely not). I am reposting this, as I am seriously looking for an answer: ------------------------------------------------------------------- So, got some reasonably negative feedback re my Devawriter Pro running on Windows 7. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The feedback seems to be a "Livecode problem" rather than a "Richmond problem" (and I'm sure if I am guilty of passing the buck plenty of people here on the Use-List will leap to put me right) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, just installed Windows 7 into VMware player (and I seem to have about 2 weeks before I need a reg number). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and it consists of this: [bear with me as it involves a Sanskrit font] Hindi and Sanskrit are NOT written either in the way European languages are written (i.e. left-to-right) or in the way Middle-Eastern languages are written (i.e. right-to-left), but in a way which is largely left-to-right, except some letters are written in 'funny' places: 1. If one wants to write a work such as 'KIT' in Sanskrit the short 'i' is written before the 'K'. 2. The short 'i' overhangs the following 'K'. SO: when my Devawriter is used by an end-user on a Macintosh s/he types K-I-T and gets I-K-T (as they should). When an end-user does this on Windows XP s/he gets exactly the same sort of thing as they would get on a Mac. BUT (and it is a bl**dy big BUT): On Windows 7 (and possibly on Vista and Windows 8; although haven't had the opportunity to test this) they get I-*-K-T, where '8' is an artifact that looks rather like a sort of perforated circle. On export to HTML the text renders CORRECTLY, but on export to RTF it does NOT; obviously export to PNG and JPG images are a truckload of cough-cough-cough. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Furthermore; Windows 7 appears to go in for font substitution: My Devawriter uses its own Devawriter.ttf font lovingly crafted by moi, that contains a large number of 'awkward' glyphs in the first Personal Private Use area of the Unicode convention. Inside Windows 7, Devawriter Pro retains my glyphs from the PPU area, but substitutes the standard Hindi glyphs with Hindi glyphs from one of its own, inbuilt fonts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Obviously this situation is NOT GOOD; so; 2 questions: 1. Is it possible to enforce things so that Windows 7 doesn't substitute glyphs [don't even begin to understand this as the textFont is set for the output field] 2. Is there a way to get Unicode fonts to behave 'as they should' inside LC inside Windows 7? Anybody who is interested can mail me off-list and I will send them a zip file of screenshots of the problem. I am running LC 4.5. Richmond. From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Sat Feb 9 14:22:49 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 11:22:49 -0800 Subject: Reposting: Windows 7, Livecode and Unicode fonts. In-Reply-To: <51168FEB.8020909@gmail.com> References: <51168FEB.8020909@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richmond, Just a long shot (because I'm no expert on Windows or Unicode Fonts), but have you looked at the Windows setting "Hide fonts based on language settings"? In case you haven't seen it (but I'll guess you probably have), it's buried in: Control Panel > Appearance & Personalisation > Fonts > Font Settings I haven't used or changed this setting since installing Win7 and notice that it is ON by default. Looks to me like MS are assuming people only speak one language! Like I said, just a long shot. Paul On 2013-02-09, at 10:05 AM, Richmond wrote: > Obviously this situation is NOT GOOD; so; 2 questions: > > 1. Is it possible to enforce things so that Windows 7 doesn't substitute glyphs [don't even begin to understand > this as the textFont is set for the output field] > > 2. Is there a way to get Unicode fonts to behave 'as they should' inside LC inside Windows 7? > > Anybody who is interested can mail me off-list and I will send them a zip file of screenshots of the problem. > > I am running LC 4.5. > > Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 14:36:59 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 21:36:59 +0200 Subject: Reposting: Windows 7, Livecode and Unicode fonts. In-Reply-To: References: <51168FEB.8020909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5116A55B.7040305@gmail.com> On 02/09/2013 09:22 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > Richmond, > > Just a long shot (because I'm no expert on Windows or Unicode Fonts), but have you looked at the Windows setting "Hide fonts based on language settings"? > > In case you haven't seen it (but I'll guess you probably have) Your guess is wrong; I am almost completely unfamiliar with any form of Windows after XP. > , it's buried in: > > Control Panel > Appearance & Personalisation > Fonts > Font Settings I am just firing up VMWare Player with Win 7 and will take your advice. > > I haven't used or changed this setting since installing Win7 and notice that it is ON by default. Looks to me like MS are assuming people only speak one language! > > Like I said, just a long shot. > > Paul > > > Thank you for the idea. I hope, shortly, to provide some feedback as to how Livecode behaves inside Windows 7 with non-Latin unicode fonts with your suggestions. Richmond. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sat Feb 9 15:03:56 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 07:03:56 +1100 Subject: PPC ? In-Reply-To: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1F71570D-F363-455D-844E-CE4167A85546@sweattechnologies.com> On 10/02/2013, at 4:57 AM, Richmond wrote: > What chance: > > 1. A Mac PPC version of O-S Livecode? I'm guessing you mean IDE because we still can deploy to PPC. I don't imagine there's a huge amount of platform specific code in the IDE engine so I guess this would be quite do-able. > > 2. A Linux PPC version of O-S Livecode? I would think this would be as do-able as arm Linux which apparently is not a heap of work. > > Lots of underfunded schools "out there" running PPC Macs with either of those Operating Systems. Agreed... Ideally it will be available via MacPorts and as a source package for linux. > > Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From userev at canelasoftware.com Sat Feb 9 15:18:13 2013 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:18:13 -0800 Subject: Another Hardrive went down! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E8B094E-A625-4993-B88B-E935E16D64BF@canelasoftware.com> On Feb 8, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Colin Holgate writes: > >> >> > http://maxschireson.com/2011/04/21/debunking-ssd-lifespan-and-random-write-performance-concerns/ > > Not sure what your point is here. Did you read this? The comments in particular > are very instructive. > > Example: > > "I have already started reading more complaints in Apple forums on SSD failures > after a couple years. Macbook Air?s have not been out that long. If I had it to > do over, I would have bought a Macbook Pro with a nice 7200RPM drive." I have had two MacBook Airs over the years. Have never had any issue with the SSDs in there. My experience with them has been so positive, I just purchased 3 Samsung 840 Pros 512GB. I have a RAID of two in a tower and one in a mini. They have single handedly extended the life of my tower. It feels like a new computer with tons of speed. We also have SSDs in our office servers. They have been running for a few years now 24/7 with zero issues. We have Crucial drives in them. Now, with all of that in mind, we are fanatical about backing up data. We have numerous drives in the office to hold back ups. We favor ChronoSync for the in office backups. We also use CrashPlan to backup our data offsite. We have an unlimited plan that costs us only $4/m. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Sat Feb 9 15:22:51 2013 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 21:22:51 +0100 Subject: Developer SDK Version Number In-Reply-To: <9051B837-77B0-4144-9D2C-5A38B7640DAF@sweattechnologies.com> References: <84EEE5F2-FE3A-467A-93A2-000EE87FF6D5@mac.com> <4DE702A4-3FB0-4774-BA4F-F074AC7789FE@sweattechnologies.com> <29C75D5E-1B38-4AB6-9AAE-4172B3E3DFC1@mac.com> <9051B837-77B0-4144-9D2C-5A38B7640DAF@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <76752CBF-60D5-4656-8050-BCB23395AD8A@mines-paristech.fr> The links to the externals resources in the PDF manual are are broken ?12.3.1, p.361 Fran?ois From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 15:44:11 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 22:44:11 +0200 Subject: Reposting: Windows 7, Livecode and Unicode fonts. In-Reply-To: <5116A55B.7040305@gmail.com> References: <51168FEB.8020909@gmail.com> <5116A55B.7040305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5116B51B.7010002@gmail.com> On 02/09/2013 09:36 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 02/09/2013 09:22 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: >> Richmond, >> >> Just a long shot (because I'm no expert on Windows or Unicode Fonts), >> but have you looked at the Windows setting "Hide fonts based on >> language settings"? >> >> In case you haven't seen it (but I'll guess you probably have) > > Your guess is wrong; I am almost completely unfamiliar with any form > of Windows after XP. > >> , it's buried in: >> >> Control Panel > Appearance & Personalisation > Fonts > Font Settings > > I am just firing up VMWare Player with Win 7 and will take your advice. > >> >> I haven't used or changed this setting since installing Win7 and >> notice that it is ON by default. Looks to me like MS are assuming >> people only speak one language! >> >> Like I said, just a long shot. >> >> Paul >> >> >> > > Thank you for the idea. > > I hope, shortly, to provide some feedback as to how Livecode behaves > inside Windows 7 with non-Latin unicode fonts > with your suggestions. NO: unfortunately going through that procedure has absolutely no effect at all. Firstly: Windows 7 substitutes it's "native" Hindi font for mine wherever it can. Secondly: the fonts don't 'work' insofar as those that should overlap others don't, displaying a perforated circle instead. 'Tis a right b*gger! > > Richmond. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sat Feb 9 17:02:10 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 17:02:10 -0500 Subject: Another Hardrive went down! In-Reply-To: <2E8B094E-A625-4993-B88B-E935E16D64BF@canelasoftware.com> References: <2E8B094E-A625-4993-B88B-E935E16D64BF@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: <2A26DE9C-A2E1-4E6B-B540-B52E1E658E80@mac.com> $4 /month seems very reasonable to me. I'm thinking of checking into that. Thanks -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 9, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: > On Feb 8, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> Colin Holgate writes: >> >>> >>> >> http://maxschireson.com/2011/04/21/debunking-ssd-lifespan-and-random-write-performance-concerns/ >> >> Not sure what your point is here. Did you read this? The comments in particular >> are very instructive. >> >> Example: >> >> "I have already started reading more complaints in Apple forums on SSD failures >> after a couple years. Macbook Air?s have not been out that long. If I had it to >> do over, I would have bought a Macbook Pro with a nice 7200RPM drive." > > > I have had two MacBook Airs over the years. Have never had any issue with the SSDs in there. My experience with them has been so positive, I just purchased 3 Samsung 840 Pros 512GB. I have a RAID of two in a tower and one in a mini. They have single handedly extended the life of my tower. It feels like a new computer with tons of speed. > > We also have SSDs in our office servers. They have been running for a few years now 24/7 with zero issues. We have Crucial drives in them. > > Now, with all of that in mind, we are fanatical about backing up data. We have numerous drives in the office to hold back ups. We favor ChronoSync for the in office backups. We also use CrashPlan to backup our data offsite. We have an unlimited plan that costs us only $4/m. > > > Best regards, > > Mark Talluto > canelasoftware.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat Feb 9 17:32:59 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 14:32:59 -0800 Subject: Location via WiFi on Mobile? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm still trying to fathom Location Services on mobile, if this helps anyone. Apparently under iOS 5.1.1 (using wifi), the locationChanged message is not sent at all when querying location "loosely" (nor is any location data provided by the sensor). But location data is detected when mobileStartTrackingSensor is started using "detailed" readings There's a quirk in this however, in that location tracking will work as expected for a bit after the sensor tracking is turned off and then restarted using loose readings. There seems to be some time threshold of the sensor being available which has been hard to pin down (maybe variable), and appears to be the cause of the inconsistent results I've been getting. Frustratingly, all works as expected under iOS 5.1 (loose or detailed). So from what I can tell, if you need your mobile app to get location data reliably across system versions, used detailed sensor tracking. Until somebody else figures this out better than I. Or until the asteroid due Feb 15 wipes out Earth's geolocation services. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/5/13 10:35 PM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >Answering my own question... > >After messing around with this for several hours (and some gracious >off-list suggestions from John Dixon), it seems that a delay is indeed >necessary between first calling mobileStartTrackingSensor and actually >trying to get the location. I wound up essentially doing this: > >mobileStartTrackingSensor "location", false > wait 1000 millisecs with messages -- IMPORTANT >get mobileSensorReading("location", false) > > > >It seems that AT LEAST a 1 second delay is required. It may be that a >longer delay may be necessary "out in the field". > >Boring testing details follow -- feel free to ignore... > >I was testing on 3 devices: an iPad 2, and iPhone 4, and an iPod touch, >all via wifi -- and discovered an odd behavior. The iPad and iPhone >repeatedly failed at attempts to retrieve location, while the iPod worked >consistently. All were running the same block of code from the same LC >stack. For the life of me, I could not figure out what the difference >was, until checking the iOS versions: the iPod was running an older >system >version (all are using a flavor of iOS 5). Perhaps Apple added >additional >"goodness" to more recent versions of iOS, so location services take >longer to start. And I haven't even tested on iOS 6 yet. I don't know >how one would ever be able to track this down, much less troubleshoot it, >without having access to multiple devices. > >Anyway, the lesson learned here: when in doubt, delay. > >Regards, > >Scott Rossi >Creative Director >Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > >On 2/4/13 10:40 PM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: > >>Hmm, maybe spoke too soon. Still getting odd, inconsistent results. >> >>I thought maybe if mobileStartTrackingSensor was started using 'true' >>(non-accurate sources) that mobileSensorReading should be used with >>'false' (not detailed). But trying each combination of booleans I still >>don't get a reliable result. >> >>This is weird. On a few occasions, the expected values were answered, >>but >>most of the time, I either get empty or the boolean used with >>mobileSensorReading in the answer dialog. >> >>Does it take time to start up location services? Is it possible that the >>device needs a few seconds of "warm up" time before it can return a >>meaningful result? >> >>Regards, >> >>Scott Rossi >>Creative Director >>Tactile Media, UX Design >> >> >> >> >>On 2/4/13 9:56 PM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >> >>>[ forehead slap ] >>> >>>Doh. Thanks Jacque -- guess I wasn't reading the docs closely enough. >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>Scott Rossi >>>Creative Director >>>Tactile Media, UX Design >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On 2/4/13 9:52 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: >>> >>>>On 2/4/13 11:43 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: >>>>> Anyone know if the mobileSensorReading function works for "location" >>>>>on >>>>>iOS >>>>> devices through WiFi? I can't seem to get any data from the function >>>>>when >>>>> testing a simple stack on an iPad2 and iPod. >>>>> >>>>> Using this script: >>>>> >>>>> get mobileSensorAvailable("location") >>>>> >>>>> if it is false then >>>>> >>>>> answer "Unable to use location." >>>>> >>>>> exit mouseUp >>>>> >>>>> end if >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> mobileStartTrackingSensor "location", true >>>>> >>>>> put mobileSensorReading("location", true) into geoData >>>>> >>>>> mobileStopTrackingSensor "location" >>>>> >>>>> answer geoData >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Playing around with variations of this script, I either get "true" or >>>>>empty >>>>> in the geoData variable. Am I missing something? >>>> >>>>It looks like the detailed location (what you get when you specify >>>>"true" in the second param) will be an array, so after getting the >>>>geoData you'd need to parse out something like geoData["latitude"] or >>>>geoData["timestamp"]. >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >>>>HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>use-livecode mailing list >>>>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>subscription preferences: >>>>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>use-livecode mailing list >>>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>subscription preferences: >>>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>use-livecode mailing list >>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dunbarx at aol.com Sat Feb 9 17:54:24 2013 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:54:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: PPC ? In-Reply-To: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CFD52F8A53FF96-16A8-1F8AA@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com> Richmond. LC, or Revolution, can be run in older hardware at least back to OS9. Not sure about OS8. Anyway, if you have that, you have the other. I have not looked at it for years, but I have Rev on a G4 using OS9. Maybe v.2.x? Craig -----Original Message----- From: Richmond To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Sat, Feb 9, 2013 12:58 pm Subject: PPC ? What chance: 1. A Mac PPC version of O-S Livecode? 2. A Linux PPC version of O-S Livecode? Lots of underfunded schools "out there" running PPC Macs with either of those Operating Systems. Richmond. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 17:59:42 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 00:59:42 +0200 Subject: PPC ? In-Reply-To: <8CFD52F8A53FF96-16A8-1F8AA@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com> References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> <8CFD52F8A53FF96-16A8-1F8AA@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5116D4DE.2060405@gmail.com> On 02/10/2013 12:54 AM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote: > Richmond. > > > LC, or Revolution, can be run in older hardware at least back to OS9. Not sure about OS8. Anyway, if you have that, you have the other. I have not looked at it for years, but I have Rev on a G4 using OS9. Maybe v.2.x? > > > Craig > I am well aware of that, and have a G3 iMac running RunRev 2.0.1 under Mac OS 9.1 That wasn't really the point of my posting. 1. RR/LC 2.0.1 is horribly out of date, and is only available to those who happen to have downloaded it about 8-9 years ago. 2. It would be really wonderful if one could: 2.1 Author standalones using the latest stuff in LC for PPC computers (whether Macs or not) running Mac OS 9/10 or Linux PPC. 2.2 Have a version of LC that worked on those machines. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richmond > To: How to use LiveCode > Sent: Sat, Feb 9, 2013 12:58 pm > Subject: PPC ? > > > What chance: > > 1. A Mac PPC version of O-S Livecode? > > 2. A Linux PPC version of O-S Livecode? > > Lots of underfunded schools "out there" running PPC Macs with either of > those Operating Systems. > > Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 9 18:06:00 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 17:06:00 -0600 Subject: PPC ? In-Reply-To: <5116D4DE.2060405@gmail.com> References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> <8CFD52F8A53FF96-16A8-1F8AA@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com> <5116D4DE.2060405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5116D658.2060006@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/9/13 4:59 PM, Richmond wrote: > 2. It would be really wonderful if one could: > > 2.1 Author standalones using the latest stuff in LC for PPC computers > (whether Macs or not) running Mac OS 9/10 or Linux PPC. As I understand it, Apple stopped providing a compiler and RR could no longer create OS 9 builds. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jhj at jhj.com Sat Feb 9 18:10:10 2013 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 15:10:10 -0800 Subject: PPC ? In-Reply-To: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6477D58C-7D3A-4A6B-9344-77B98A1E7EE9@jhj.com> On Feb 9, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Richmond wrote: > What chance: > > 1. A Mac PPC version of O-S Livecode? > > 2. A Linux PPC version of O-S Livecode? > > Lots of underfunded schools "out there" running PPC Macs with either of those Operating Systems. I have a G3 PowerBook running LC 5.0.2 taking data in a blockhouse out in a field, unattended, sending it out via DropBox and WildBlue satellite. It is very stable. I don't imagine the O-S version will break it (I sure hope not). My biggest problem is that its a nice warm place for mice to play - can't close the lid all the way or it sleeps. .Jerry From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 18:14:40 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 01:14:40 +0200 Subject: PPC ? In-Reply-To: <5116D658.2060006@hyperactivesw.com> References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> <8CFD52F8A53FF96-16A8-1F8AA@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com> <5116D4DE.2060405@gmail.com> <5116D658.2060006@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <5116D860.8010105@gmail.com> On 02/10/2013 01:06 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/9/13 4:59 PM, Richmond wrote: > >> 2. It would be really wonderful if one could: >> >> 2.1 Author standalones using the latest stuff in LC for PPC computers >> (whether Macs or not) running Mac OS 9/10 or Linux PPC. > > As I understand it, Apple stopped providing a compiler and RR could no > longer create OS 9 builds. > I think that builds for Mac OS 9 are not really that important; all but the tray-loading G3 Macs can run Mac OS 10.4 (with sufficient RAM). From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 18:17:25 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 01:17:25 +0200 Subject: PPC ? In-Reply-To: <6477D58C-7D3A-4A6B-9344-77B98A1E7EE9@jhj.com> References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> <6477D58C-7D3A-4A6B-9344-77B98A1E7EE9@jhj.com> Message-ID: <5116D905.5030007@gmail.com> On 02/10/2013 01:10 AM, Jerry Jensen wrote: > On Feb 9, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Richmond wrote: > >> What chance: >> >> 1. A Mac PPC version of O-S Livecode? >> >> 2. A Linux PPC version of O-S Livecode? >> >> Lots of underfunded schools "out there" running PPC Macs with either of those Operating Systems. > I have a G3 PowerBook running LC 5.0.2 taking data in a blockhouse out in a field, unattended, sending it out via DropBox and WildBlue satellite. It is very stable. I don't imagine the O-S version will break it (I sure hope not). My biggest problem is that its a nice warm place for mice to play - can't close the lid all the way or it sleeps. > .Jerry > > > Have you ever read "The Rats of Nimh" (no, I don't mean the infantilised cartoon film; I mean the book)? For all you know those mice may be on a learning curve, and running round your G3 laptop in a study group rather than there for the warmth. Richmond. From jhj at jhj.com Sat Feb 9 18:30:13 2013 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 15:30:13 -0800 Subject: PPC ? In-Reply-To: <5116D905.5030007@gmail.com> References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> <6477D58C-7D3A-4A6B-9344-77B98A1E7EE9@jhj.com> <5116D905.5030007@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 9, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 02/10/2013 01:10 AM, Jerry Jensen wrote: >> On Feb 9, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Richmond wrote: >> >>> What chance: >>> >>> 1. A Mac PPC version of O-S Livecode? >>> >>> 2. A Linux PPC version of O-S Livecode? >>> >>> Lots of underfunded schools "out there" running PPC Macs with either of those Operating Systems. >> I have a G3 PowerBook running LC 5.0.2 taking data in a blockhouse out in a field, unattended, sending it out via DropBox and WildBlue satellite. It is very stable. I don't imagine the O-S version will break it (I sure hope not). My biggest problem is that its a nice warm place for mice to play - can't close the lid all the way or it sleeps. >> .Jerry > > Have you ever read "The Rats of Nimh" (no, I don't mean the infantilised cartoon film; I mean the book)? > > For all you know those mice may be on a learning curve, and running round your G3 laptop in a study group > rather than there for the warmth. If they get smart enough, I'll build them a little bathroom in the corner. Thats the only real problem. I'll check out the book. Thanks. .Jerry From littlejamesw at mac.com Sat Feb 9 19:52:47 2013 From: littlejamesw at mac.com (Jim Little) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 16:52:47 -0800 Subject: Programming SubReddit In-Reply-To: <2A26DE9C-A2E1-4E6B-B540-B52E1E658E80@mac.com> References: <2E8B094E-A625-4993-B88B-E935E16D64BF@canelasoftware.com> <2A26DE9C-A2E1-4E6B-B540-B52E1E658E80@mac.com> Message-ID: Perhaps other, more experience LiveCoders, might weigh in on the subreddit. http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1873yt/best_programming_language_livecode_to_go_open/ Thanks, Jim Little From littlejamesw at mac.com Sat Feb 9 20:51:41 2013 From: littlejamesw at mac.com (Jim Little) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 17:51:41 -0800 Subject: Programming Subreddit Message-ID: Perhaps other, more experienced LiveCoders, might weigh in on this programming subreddit. http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1873yt/best_programming_language_livecode_to_go_open/ Thanks, Jim Little From bogdanoff at me.com Sat Feb 9 20:54:56 2013 From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 17:54:56 -0800 Subject: Programming Subreddit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CC0EC5D-E552-49AD-AB7B-776946BFB2AE@me.com> Someone there is advocating Python. Can you make standalone apps for Win, MacOS, mobile in Python? Peter On Feb 9, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Jim Little wrote: > > > Perhaps other, more experienced LiveCoders, might weigh in on this programming subreddit. > > http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1873yt/best_programming_language_livecode_to_go_open/ > > > Thanks, > > Jim Little > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mark.laffoon at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 21:22:04 2013 From: mark.laffoon at gmail.com (Mark Laffoon) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:22:04 -0900 Subject: Glass from Jerry Daniels Message-ID: Jerry Daniels (@jerrydaniels) tweeted at 2:58 PM on Sat, Feb 09, 2013: A Great & Free Editor for LiveCode. If you are a user of LiveCode (aka Revolution), you may need to check out Glass: http://t.co/AuHVqn4S (https://twitter.com/jerrydaniels/status/300393232901222400) From littlejamesw at mac.com Sat Feb 9 21:28:15 2013 From: littlejamesw at mac.com (Jim Little) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 18:28:15 -0800 Subject: Programming Subreddit In-Reply-To: <4CC0EC5D-E552-49AD-AB7B-776946BFB2AE@me.com> References: <4CC0EC5D-E552-49AD-AB7B-776946BFB2AE@me.com> Message-ID: Monte, Thanks for replying to this subreddit. I was getting in over my head, in trying to reply. Jim On Feb 9, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > Someone there is advocating Python. Can you make standalone apps for Win, MacOS, mobile in Python? > > Peter > > On Feb 9, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Jim Little wrote: > >> >> >> Perhaps other, more experienced LiveCoders, might weigh in on this programming subreddit. >> >> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1873yt/best_programming_language_livecode_to_go_open/ >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim Little >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sat Feb 9 21:40:52 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 13:40:52 +1100 Subject: Programming Subreddit In-Reply-To: References: <4CC0EC5D-E552-49AD-AB7B-776946BFB2AE@me.com> Message-ID: <0DBA6FAA-41A7-4DC3-8DB4-31A7821356A3@sweattechnologies.com> On 10/02/2013, at 1:28 PM, Jim Little wrote: > Thanks for replying to this subreddit. I was getting in over my head, in trying to reply. Well... he is right... iterating the directory tree in python can clearly be done in a less verbose and more readable fashion. Unfortunately people try and sell LiveCode by saying one line of code = many in language X however it's often the case that due to some library etc being available one line in language x might be many hours of coding in LiveCode. If/when there's hundreds of thousands of LiveCode users then we will have lots of libraries to use too... On the upside, what he clearly thinks is hard/harder (his bonus points) is the GUI for the user to say what image is good and what is bad. That's very easy in LiveCode. Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 9 22:01:31 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 21:01:31 -0600 Subject: PPC ? In-Reply-To: References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> <6477D58C-7D3A-4A6B-9344-77B98A1E7EE9@jhj.com> <5116D905.5030007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51170D8B.2010409@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/9/13 5:30 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote: > If they get smart enough, I'll build them a little bathroom in the > corner. Thats the only real problem. You have got to see this then: -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Sat Feb 9 22:16:09 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 22:16:09 -0500 Subject: Programming Subreddit In-Reply-To: <0DBA6FAA-41A7-4DC3-8DB4-31A7821356A3@sweattechnologies.com> References: <4CC0EC5D-E552-49AD-AB7B-776946BFB2AE@me.com> <0DBA6FAA-41A7-4DC3-8DB4-31A7821356A3@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: He may be right about the dir tree search, or maybe we're just forgetting that LC can shell out to bash or other languages (when necessary), then do what it does "best", and manipulate the data efficiency, while presenting it to the user in a friendly UI on multiple platforms. Sent from my Pipo M2 On 10/02/2013, at 1:28 PM, Jim Little wrote: > Thanks for replying to this subreddit. I was getting in over my head, in trying to reply. Well... he is right... iterating the directory tree in python can clearly be done in a less verbose and more readable fashion. Unfortunately people try and sell LiveCode by saying one line of code = many in language X however it's often the case that due to some library etc being available one line in language x might be many hours of coding in LiveCode. If/when there's hundreds of thousands of LiveCode users then we will have lots of libraries to use too... On the upside, what he clearly thinks is hard/harder (his bonus points) is the GUI for the user to say what image is good and what is bad. That's very easy in LiveCode. Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jhj at jhj.com Sat Feb 9 22:17:47 2013 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 19:17:47 -0800 Subject: PPC ? In-Reply-To: <51170D8B.2010409@hyperactivesw.com> References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> <6477D58C-7D3A-4A6B-9344-77B98A1E7EE9@jhj.com> <5116D905.5030007@gmail.com> <51170D8B.2010409@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <5DA5901E-8955-4BA7-957B-BFB7FB4A63C1@jhj.com> Perfect! But they have to get smarter first, and figure out how to tell me. They have a capable computer to use, after all. No room inside the PowerBook, but plenty nearby (suburbs?). .Jerry On Feb 9, 2013, at 7:01 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > On 2/9/13 5:30 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote: > >> If they get smart enough, I'll build them a little bathroom in the >> corner. Thats the only real problem. > > You have got to see this then: > > > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sat Feb 9 22:29:47 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 14:29:47 +1100 Subject: Programming Subreddit In-Reply-To: References: <4CC0EC5D-E552-49AD-AB7B-776946BFB2AE@me.com> <0DBA6FAA-41A7-4DC3-8DB4-31A7821356A3@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: On 10/02/2013, at 2:16 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > He may be right about the dir tree search, or maybe we're just forgetting > that LC can shell out to bash or other languages (when necessary), then do > what it does "best", and manipulate the data efficiency, while presenting > it to the user in a friendly UI on multiple platforms. I don't think presenting an answer that relies on shell will help prove LiveCode's power. Actually, it would be easy to trim the fat from the example code and get something close (but still more verbose) to his second version. Perhaps more readable. Still... his first version meant not having to explain recursive programming to the high school kids which nice. But like I said before... completing his whole project without having to use wxPython is definitely going to be easier for the high school kids to understand. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Sat Feb 9 22:46:00 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 22:46:00 -0500 Subject: Programming Subreddit In-Reply-To: References: <4CC0EC5D-E552-49AD-AB7B-776946BFB2AE@me.com> <0DBA6FAA-41A7-4DC3-8DB4-31A7821356A3@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: My point was only to say that LC has access to shell, applescript, vbscript, batch files, custom externals, and library stacks (although currently fewer than other languages), BUT we do have that versatility, which makes LC powerful. As you said, open-source will only increase our toolset. Sent from my Pipo M2 On 10/02/2013, at 2:16 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > He may be right about the dir tree search, or maybe we're just forgetting > that LC can shell out to bash or other languages (when necessary), then do > what it does "best", and manipulate the data efficiency, while presenting > it to the user in a friendly UI on multiple platforms. I don't think presenting an answer that relies on shell will help prove LiveCode's power. Actually, it would be easy to trim the fat from the example code and get something close (but still more verbose) to his second version. Perhaps more readable. Still... his first version meant not having to explain recursive programming to the high school kids which nice. But like I said before... completing his whole project without having to use wxPython is definitely going to be easier for the high school kids to understand. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 9 22:47:36 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 21:47:36 -0600 Subject: Programming SubReddit In-Reply-To: References: <2E8B094E-A625-4993-B88B-E935E16D64BF@canelasoftware.com> <2A26DE9C-A2E1-4E6B-B540-B52E1E658E80@mac.com> Message-ID: <51171858.4000005@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/9/13 6:52 PM, Jim Little wrote: > > > Perhaps other, more experience LiveCoders, might weigh in on the subreddit. > > http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1873yt/best_programming_language_livecode_to_go_open/ I object to his list, which assumes RR has "invented" a new language, and to most of his critique which doesn't appear to understand it. You could point out that the language was actually invented by Apple Computer, and at its peak had millions of users, dozens of printed books, its own forums on several online services, and produced thousands of utilities and programs over the years. Some were better than others, but that was because the language was so easy that children wrote with it, but also so sophisticated that programmers produced award-winning products. When Apple discontinued support, the language lived on in via a third-party port to Linux, and was eventually taken up by RunRev, expanded tremendously, and is now extremely powerful under a deceptively simple syntax. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sat Feb 9 22:48:26 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 14:48:26 +1100 Subject: Programming Subreddit In-Reply-To: References: <4CC0EC5D-E552-49AD-AB7B-776946BFB2AE@me.com> <0DBA6FAA-41A7-4DC3-8DB4-31A7821356A3@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <0A30BC40-3D44-4618-A2FF-6252D2FD72AD@sweattechnologies.com> On 10/02/2013, at 2:46 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > My point was only to say that LC has access to shell, applescript, > vbscript, batch files, custom externals, and library stacks (although > currently fewer than other languages), BUT we do have that versatility, > which makes LC powerful. As you said, open-source will only increase our > toolset. Unfortunately if we base any comparisons of LiveCcode to language X on he stuff we have access to we will lose. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Sat Feb 9 23:04:45 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 23:04:45 -0500 Subject: Programming Subreddit In-Reply-To: <0A30BC40-3D44-4618-A2FF-6252D2FD72AD@sweattechnologies.com> References: <4CC0EC5D-E552-49AD-AB7B-776946BFB2AE@me.com> <0DBA6FAA-41A7-4DC3-8DB4-31A7821356A3@sweattechnologies.com> <0A30BC40-3D44-4618-A2FF-6252D2FD72AD@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Lose? That is subjective. If you believe LC is not as powerful, even though it can easily glue systems together to solve real problems, then yes, we've already lost. I have used LC since it was metacard, and before that, HyperCard. From my perspective, LC has saved me from needing python or C++, etc. To quote Charlie, "Winning!" Sent from my Pipo M2 On Feb 9, 2013 10:49 PM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: > > On 10/02/2013, at 2:46 PM, Roger Eller > wrote: > > > My point was only to say that LC has access to shell, applescript, > > vbscript, batch files, custom externals, and library stacks (although > > currently fewer than other languages), BUT we do have that versatility, > > which makes LC powerful. As you said, open-source will only increase our > > toolset. > > Unfortunately if we base any comparisons of LiveCcode to language X on he > stuff we have access to we will lose. > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From slylabs13 at me.com Sat Feb 9 23:14:58 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 20:14:58 -0800 Subject: Programming SubReddit In-Reply-To: <51171858.4000005@hyperactivesw.com> References: <2E8B094E-A625-4993-B88B-E935E16D64BF@canelasoftware.com> <2A26DE9C-A2E1-4E6B-B540-B52E1E658E80@mac.com> <51171858.4000005@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <52459169-033C-459A-9C6E-F82126D0A76B@me.com> ;-) On Feb 9, 2013, at 7:47 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/9/13 6:52 PM, Jim Little wrote: >> >> >> Perhaps other, more experience LiveCoders, might weigh in on the subreddit. >> >> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1873yt/best_programming_language_livecode_to_go_open/ > > I object to his list, which assumes RR has "invented" a new language, and to most of his critique which doesn't appear to understand it. You could point out that the language was actually invented by Apple Computer, and at its peak had millions of users, dozens of printed books, its own forums on several online services, and produced thousands of utilities and programs over the years. Some were better than others, but that was because the language was so easy that children wrote with it, but also so sophisticated that programmers produced award-winning products. When Apple discontinued support, the language lived on in via a third-party port to Linux, and was eventually taken up by RunRev, expanded tremendously, and is now extremely powerful under a deceptively simple syntax. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sat Feb 9 23:16:19 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 15:16:19 +1100 Subject: Programming Subreddit In-Reply-To: References: <4CC0EC5D-E552-49AD-AB7B-776946BFB2AE@me.com> <0DBA6FAA-41A7-4DC3-8DB4-31A7821356A3@sweattechnologies.com> <0A30BC40-3D44-4618-A2FF-6252D2FD72AD@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <81794E94-ED12-4E22-B86B-5D55CF0758B7@sweattechnologies.com> On 10/02/2013, at 3:04 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > Lose? That is subjective. If you believe LC is not as powerful, even though > it can easily glue systems together to solve real problems, then yes, we've > already lost. I have used LC since it was metacard, and before that, > HyperCard. From my perspective, LC has saved me from needing python or C++, > etc. I'm not saying it's not powerful or useful. I'm saying that because there are so few of us there are also few standard libraries etc that we can all just drop in our projects. If people write an sdk for their thing they don't write it for LiveCode. This is the number one reason why we need open source. We need bums on seats using LiveCode so we can leverage the contributions of many rather than just a few. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Sat Feb 9 23:19:24 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 23:19:24 -0500 Subject: Programming SubReddit In-Reply-To: <52459169-033C-459A-9C6E-F82126D0A76B@me.com> References: <2E8B094E-A625-4993-B88B-E935E16D64BF@canelasoftware.com> <2A26DE9C-A2E1-4E6B-B540-B52E1E658E80@mac.com> <51171858.4000005@hyperactivesw.com> <52459169-033C-459A-9C6E-F82126D0A76B@me.com> Message-ID: I agree. Jacqueline said it best. Sent from my Pipo M2 On Feb 9, 2013 11:15 PM, "Robert Sneidar" wrote: > > > > ;-) > > > On Feb 9, 2013, at 7:47 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > > On 2/9/13 6:52 PM, Jim Little wrote: > >> > >> > >> Perhaps other, more experience LiveCoders, might weigh in on the subreddit. > >> > >> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1873yt/best_programming_language_livecode_to_go_open/ > > > > I object to his list, which assumes RR has "invented" a new language, and to most of his critique which doesn't appear to understand it. You could point out that the language was actually invented by Apple Computer, and at its peak had millions of users, dozens of printed books, its own forums on several online services, and produced thousands of utilities and programs over the years. Some were better than others, but that was because the language was so easy that children wrote with it, but also so sophisticated that programmers produced award-winning products. When Apple discontinued support, the language lived on in via a third-party port to Linux, and was eventually taken up by RunRev, expanded tremendously, and is now extremely powerful under a deceptively simple syntax. > > > > -- > > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 10 01:44:13 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 00:44:13 -0600 Subject: Stack formats and the O-S version. In-Reply-To: <5115540B.6020100@gmail.com> References: <51152069.5020402@gmail.com> <5115515D.6050604@hyperactivesw.com> <5115540B.6020100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <511741BD.2080608@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/8/13 1:37 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 02/08/2013 09:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >> On 2/8/13 9:57 AM, Richmond wrote: >>> As, presumably, the O-S version of Livecode will enable everyone >>> to open stacks whether they are in the pre-2.7, the pre-5.5 or the post >>> 5.5 format >>> why doesn't RunRev (or someone authorised by them) release a small >>> widget to >>> open post 5.5 stacks and offer to save them in either >>> the pre-2.7 or the pre-5.5 format right now? >> >> Anyone with 5.5+ could do that with a standalone in about two minutes. >> If someone else doesn't do it, I'll write one pretty soon. >> > > Lovely, Thanks. It's here now: It's a very quick job without much testing. Be sure you convert only copies of stacks, because it doesn't make a backup for you. If there are any problems, let me know. I included a png file in the Linux folder so you could use it as an icon if you wanted. I want to tell that Python guy over on the Reddit forum that it took me about 15 minutes to lay out the stack, write the script, and build executables for three operating systems. (Of course, it took me 2 hours to make the app icon, which still looks pretty awful. I am graphically challenged. I know my limits.) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 10 01:57:58 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 00:57:58 -0600 Subject: Programming SubReddit In-Reply-To: <52459169-033C-459A-9C6E-F82126D0A76B@me.com> References: <2E8B094E-A625-4993-B88B-E935E16D64BF@canelasoftware.com> <2A26DE9C-A2E1-4E6B-B540-B52E1E658E80@mac.com> <51171858.4000005@hyperactivesw.com> <52459169-033C-459A-9C6E-F82126D0A76B@me.com> Message-ID: <511744F6.4010009@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/9/13 10:14 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > > > ;-) Anyone with an account over there, feel free. > On Feb 9, 2013, at 7:47 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> On 2/9/13 6:52 PM, Jim Little wrote: >>> >>> >>> Perhaps other, more experience LiveCoders, might weigh in on the subreddit. >>> >>> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1873yt/best_programming_language_livecode_to_go_open/ >> >> I object to his list, which assumes RR has "invented" a new language, and to most of his critique which doesn't appear to understand it. You could point out that the language was actually invented by Apple Computer, and at its peak had millions of users, dozens of printed books, its own forums on several online services, and produced thousands of utilities and programs over the years. Some were better than others, but that was because the language was so easy that children wrote with it, but also so sophisticated that programmers produced award-winning products. When Apple discontinued support, the language lived on in via a third-party port to Linux, and was eventually taken up by RunRev, expanded tremendously, and is now extremely powerful under a deceptively simple syntax. >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 04:02:41 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:02:41 +0200 Subject: Stack formats and the O-S version. In-Reply-To: <511741BD.2080608@hyperactivesw.com> References: <51152069.5020402@gmail.com> <5115515D.6050604@hyperactivesw.com> <5115540B.6020100@gmail.com> <511741BD.2080608@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <51176231.3050308@gmail.com> On 02/10/2013 08:44 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/8/13 1:37 PM, Richmond wrote: >> On 02/08/2013 09:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >>> On 2/8/13 9:57 AM, Richmond wrote: >>>> As, presumably, the O-S version of Livecode will enable everyone >>>> to open stacks whether they are in the pre-2.7, the pre-5.5 or the >>>> post >>>> 5.5 format >>>> why doesn't RunRev (or someone authorised by them) release a small >>>> widget to >>>> open post 5.5 stacks and offer to save them in either >>>> the pre-2.7 or the pre-5.5 format right now? >>> >>> Anyone with 5.5+ could do that with a standalone in about two minutes. >>> If someone else doesn't do it, I'll write one pretty soon. >>> >> >> Lovely, Thanks. > > It's here now: > > > It's a very quick job without much testing. Be sure you convert only > copies of stacks, because it doesn't make a backup for you. If there > are any problems, let me know. > > I included a png file in the Linux folder so you could use it as an > icon if you wanted. I want to tell that Python guy over on the Reddit > forum that it took me about 15 minutes to lay out the stack, write the > script, and build executables for three operating systems. (Of course, > it took me 2 hours to make the app icon, which still looks pretty > awful. I am graphically challenged. I know my limits.) > That is a great tool which should be of very great help to a lot of people. Thanks so much! Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 04:34:12 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:34:12 +0200 Subject: Stack formats and the O-S version. In-Reply-To: <511741BD.2080608@hyperactivesw.com> References: <51152069.5020402@gmail.com> <5115515D.6050604@hyperactivesw.com> <5115540B.6020100@gmail.com> <511741BD.2080608@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <51176994.5000304@gmail.com> On 02/10/2013 08:44 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/8/13 1:37 PM, Richmond wrote: >> On 02/08/2013 09:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >>> On 2/8/13 9:57 AM, Richmond wrote: >>>> As, presumably, the O-S version of Livecode will enable everyone >>>> to open stacks whether they are in the pre-2.7, the pre-5.5 or the >>>> post >>>> 5.5 format >>>> why doesn't RunRev (or someone authorised by them) release a small >>>> widget to >>>> open post 5.5 stacks and offer to save them in either >>>> the pre-2.7 or the pre-5.5 format right now? >>> >>> Anyone with 5.5+ could do that with a standalone in about two minutes. >>> If someone else doesn't do it, I'll write one pretty soon. >>> >> >> Lovely, Thanks. > > It's here now: > > > It's a very quick job without much testing. Be sure you convert only > copies of stacks, because it doesn't make a backup for you. If there > are any problems, let me know. > > I included a png file in the Linux folder so you could use it as an > icon if you wanted. I want to tell that Python guy over on the Reddit > forum that it took me about 15 minutes to lay out the stack, write the > script, and build executables for three operating systems. (Of course, > it took me 2 hours to make the app icon, which still looks pretty > awful. I am graphically challenged. I know my limits.) > Sadly does not run on Linux. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 04:55:23 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:55:23 +0200 Subject: Stack formats and the O-S version. In-Reply-To: <51176994.5000304@gmail.com> References: <51152069.5020402@gmail.com> <5115515D.6050604@hyperactivesw.com> <5115540B.6020100@gmail.com> <511741BD.2080608@hyperactivesw.com> <51176994.5000304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51176E8B.1010705@gmail.com> > Sadly does not run on Linux. Apologies: this does work . . . but . . . Not via any of the various Docks available for Linux; one must click on the executable itself. Richmond. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sun Feb 10 06:28:49 2013 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 03:28:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Programming SubReddit In-Reply-To: <511744F6.4010009@hyperactivesw.com> References: <2E8B094E-A625-4993-B88B-E935E16D64BF@canelasoftware.com> <2A26DE9C-A2E1-4E6B-B540-B52E1E658E80@mac.com> <51171858.4000005@hyperactivesw.com> <52459169-033C-459A-9C6E-F82126D0A76B@me.com> <511744F6.4010009@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1360495729547-4660432.post@n4.nabble.com> It a question of what you're doing. The key edge that LC has is what Hypercard also had, its the speed with which you can pick up GUI creation. Any language can call bits of bash or other utilities, awk for instance. Well, I don't know about any. Any we would seriously consider There's nothing special about that. If what you need is text manipulation, there is still nothing to beat awk, if you happen to know it. But if you want to create a full gui from scratch, well yes, you can do it in Python, but if you have to learn both languages first.... its no contest. Its horses for courses. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Another-Hardrive-went-down-tp4660344p4660432.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sun Feb 10 06:47:21 2013 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 03:47:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Programming SubReddit In-Reply-To: <511744F6.4010009@hyperactivesw.com> References: <2E8B094E-A625-4993-B88B-E935E16D64BF@canelasoftware.com> <2A26DE9C-A2E1-4E6B-B540-B52E1E658E80@mac.com> <51171858.4000005@hyperactivesw.com> <52459169-033C-459A-9C6E-F82126D0A76B@me.com> <511744F6.4010009@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1360496841852-4660433.post@n4.nabble.com> Another key advantage is granularity if thats the word. The languages that are easy to learn are ones you can do something useful in with little knowledge, and then learn how to do the next thing. LC is great like that. A very little knowledge lets you do rudimentary things which are fully fledged guis, whereas to get to that same point with Python is hugely more work. Now, when you are there with Python, maybe its easier and less verbose and more intuitive for you from then on. But the rewards with LC come almost immediately. It was the same thing with HC, you could make programs of a sort while knowing almost nothing and then add to what you knew as you went along. That is unique to this style of language. But its not something the guys on reddit value of course. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Another-Hardrive-went-down-tp4660344p4660433.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mark.rauterkus at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 07:19:49 2013 From: mark.rauterkus at gmail.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 07:19:49 -0500 Subject: OT, CC book, Coding Freedom Message-ID: An article about Gabriella Coleman's book, "Coding Freedom". http://opensource.com/life/13/1/want-understand-open-source-live-its-developers In true open source spirit, the author has released the entire book under a Creative Commons license, and made it available to download for free, here: http://gabriellacoleman.org/Coleman-Coding-Freedom.pdf Might be a great primer. Plus places where it has noise might be fertile for LC Kickstarter pointers. Mark Rauterkus -- -- Ta. Mark Rauterkus Mark.Rauterkus at gmail.com PPS Summer Dreamers' Swim and Water Polo Camp Head Coach Pittsburgh Combined Water Polo Team http://Rauterkus.blogspot.com http://FixPA.wikia.com http://CLOH.wikia.com 412 298 3432 = cell From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 10 14:29:02 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 13:29:02 -0600 Subject: Stack formats and the O-S version. In-Reply-To: <51176E8B.1010705@gmail.com> References: <51152069.5020402@gmail.com> <5115515D.6050604@hyperactivesw.com> <5115540B.6020100@gmail.com> <511741BD.2080608@hyperactivesw.com> <51176994.5000304@gmail.com> <51176E8B.1010705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5117F4FE.9010004@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/10/13 3:55 AM, Richmond wrote: > >> Sadly does not run on Linux. > > Apologies: this does work . . . but . . . > > Not via any of the various Docks available for Linux; one must click on > the executable itself. I don't have a version of Linux to test on, and I'm pretty ignorant of the whole system anyway, so I can't be much help. I just crossed my fingers, built it and zipped it up. I vaguely remember you have to set the executable bit manually but you probably already knew that. Maybe someone else knows how docks work there. Glad it runs though. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 15:17:36 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:17:36 +0200 Subject: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions. Message-ID: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> I am having a wee problem understanding what a few things mean: 1. Pre-Release Repackaged Version. What is being 'repackaged'? Surely the O-S version is being packaged (not quite sure what 'packaged' means in reference to a digital download) rather then 'repackaged'? 2. "As is" Open Source Release. Aha: that would seem to intimate that some sort of Open Source version already exists [think 'Copland', think 'Rhapsody']. 3. Err . . . that's it really. Richmond. From coiin at verizon.net Sun Feb 10 15:30:51 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 15:30:51 -0500 Subject: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions. In-Reply-To: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> References: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <21BFA71C-488F-4BD8-BFD0-1EFDD1522E08@verizon.net> The repackaged one would be after a few months of tidying up the code. The as-is one would be the code as it stands at the end of March. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 15:37:31 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:37:31 +0200 Subject: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions. In-Reply-To: <21BFA71C-488F-4BD8-BFD0-1EFDD1522E08@verizon.net> References: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> <21BFA71C-488F-4BD8-BFD0-1EFDD1522E08@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5118050B.2050107@gmail.com> On 02/10/2013 10:30 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > The repackaged one would be after a few months of tidying up the code. The as-is one would be the code as it stands at the end of March. > > > > Thanks. But that still doesn't quite explain the 're' of 'repackaged'. From coiin at verizon.net Sun Feb 10 16:10:57 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:10:57 -0500 Subject: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions. In-Reply-To: <5118050B.2050107@gmail.com> References: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> <21BFA71C-488F-4BD8-BFD0-1EFDD1522E08@verizon.net> <5118050B.2050107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9818F24D-A2EB-454A-BDB7-BA3D85A57456@verizon.net> I'm guessing that like other languages, C++ has packages. That is, a package is a set of Classes (a Class being a set of related functions). If code grows over 20 years it could be that different Classes are put into a package based on the least likeliness to introduce any issues, and not perhaps in the package that made the most sense. Repackaging could mean that the Classes are reorganized to be in packages that make the most sense. Just guessing though. On Feb 10, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Richmond wrote: > > But that still doesn't quite explain the 're' of 'repackaged'. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun Feb 10 16:32:18 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 13:32:18 -0800 Subject: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions. In-Reply-To: <5118050B.2050107@gmail.com> References: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> <21BFA71C-488F-4BD8-BFD0-1EFDD1522E08@verizon.net> <5118050B.2050107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <38449051687.20130210133218@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- Sunday, February 10, 2013, 12:37:31 PM, you wrote: > Thanks. > But that still doesn't quite explain the 're' of 'repackaged'. Or the 're' of 'reduced'. Or the 're' of 'relax'. Or the 're' of 'reality'. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 10 17:55:29 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:55:29 -0600 Subject: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions. In-Reply-To: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> References: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51182561.4030305@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/10/13 2:17 PM, Richmond wrote: > I am having a wee problem understanding what a few things mean: > > 1. Pre-Release Repackaged Version. > > What is being 'repackaged'? My rough layman's analogy: I have a single gigantic stack of spaghetti code that consists of millions of lines of script and thousands of handlers, scattered over 700 cards. Changing anything anywhere is likely to impact the behavior of everything else. Every time I update a handler I have to go through the entire stack and see what is affected, and then rewrite those sections. Sometimes I miss stuff and surprising bugs occur. That is my current package. My goal: I want to divide the stack and its cards into libraries that each perform a discrete, related set of behaviors. They will interact with the others only through a standard set of handler calls. When I update one library, there is little chance that modifications will impact any of the others, as long as the interfacing handler calls don't change. I don't need to worry about any of the others because each library is self-sufficient. The community can easily modify one of the parts without affecting any of the others. That's the re-packaging. > > 2. "As is" Open Source Release. > > Aha: that would seem to intimate that some sort of Open Source version > already exists [think 'Copland', think 'Rhapsody']. There's no current open source version. The "as-is" open source will be the huge gigantic code block as it stands right now. It will be difficult to work with but available for study. It's likely only the RR team can modularize it because they're the only ones who understand the current morass. The repackaged open source will be the new modular code that can be more easily modified by the community. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sun Feb 10 20:45:02 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:45:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions. In-Reply-To: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> References: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1360547102518-4660442.post@n4.nabble.com> Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote > 1. Pre-Release Repackaged Version. My guess is pre-release reorganized version, in preparation for the final re-organized version. -- M -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Open-Source-Livecode-a-few-daft-questions-tp4660436p4660442.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 22:13:50 2013 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:13:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT, CC book, Coding Freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1360552430632-4660443.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Mark, Mark Rauterkus-2 wrote > An article about Gabriella Coleman's book, "Coding Freedom". > > http://opensource.com/life/13/1/want-understand-open-source-live-its-developers > > In true open source spirit, the author has released the entire book under > a > Creative Commons license, and made it available to download for > free, here: > > http://gabriellacoleman.org/Coleman-Coding-Freedom.pdf > > Might be a great primer. Plus places where it has noise might be fertile > for LC Kickstarter pointers. Yes, that is exactly what I did in facebook! :D Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-CC-book-Coding-Freedom-tp4660434p4660443.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 22:36:25 2013 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:36:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: What If... scenario for Open Source Livecode Message-ID: <1360553785447-4660444.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi All, I have reading previous messages speculating about the possible outcomes of the Kickstarter campaign. But... What if February 28th a big company like Apple decides to contribute all the money left to complete the target of 350,000? Will RunRev accept such donation to open source Livecode? Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/What-If-scenario-for-Open-Source-Livecode-tp4660444.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From coiin at verizon.net Sun Feb 10 22:42:12 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:42:12 -0500 Subject: What If... scenario for Open Source Livecode In-Reply-To: <1360553785447-4660444.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1360553785447-4660444.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Kickstarter pledges are a certain amount, or more, aren't they? If someone donated 76.1% of the money today, that ought to be accepted automatically. On Feb 10, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > What if February 28th a big company like Apple decides to contribute > all the money left to complete the target of 350,000? > > Will RunRev accept such donation to open source Livecode? From gbojsza at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 23:40:20 2013 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:40:20 -0500 Subject: What If... scenario for Open Source Livecode In-Reply-To: References: <1360553785447-4660444.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I believe that there is a limit of a maximum pledge of $10,000. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Kickstarter pledges are a certain amount, or more, aren't they? If someone > donated 76.1% of the money today, that ought to be accepted automatically. > > > On Feb 10, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Alejandro Tejada > wrote: > > > What if February 28th a big company like Apple decides to contribute > > all the money left to complete the target of 350,000? > > > > Will RunRev accept such donation to open source Livecode? > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 00:29:03 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 07:29:03 +0200 Subject: What If... scenario for Open Source Livecode In-Reply-To: References: <1360553785447-4660444.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5118819F.40809@gmail.com> On 02/11/2013 05:42 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Kickstarter pledges are a certain amount, or more, aren't they? If someone donated 76.1% of the money today, that ought to be accepted automatically. Why do I have a funny feeling if a company like Apple or Microsoft did that there would be unacceptable conditions attached that would compromise the open-source-ness of the thing? If one goes and has a look why LibreOffice was forked from Open Office Org . . . . > > > On Feb 10, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > >> What if February 28th a big company like Apple decides to contribute >> all the money left to complete the target of 350,000? >> >> Will RunRev accept such donation to open source Livecode? > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From heather at runrev.com Mon Feb 11 04:06:49 2013 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:06:49 +0000 Subject: What If... scenario for Open Source Livecode In-Reply-To: <5118819F.40809@gmail.com> References: <1360553785447-4660444.post@n4.nabble.com> <5118819F.40809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6BB7B928-66CF-4995-9431-2306D568F7FC@runrev.com> Yes, there is a maximum amount for any one pledge, by one person. Kickstarter is a crowd funding site, and it is set up so that venture capitalists cannot simply contribute the balance and take control of a project. So we need everyone to contribute something. Regards, (and thanks to everyone who has contributed so far!) Heather On 11 Feb 2013, at 05:29, Richmond wrote: > On 02/11/2013 05:42 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: >> Kickstarter pledges are a certain amount, or more, aren't they? If someone donated 76.1% of the money today, that ought to be accepted automatically. > > Why do I have a funny feeling if a company like Apple or Microsoft did that there would be > unacceptable conditions attached that would compromise the open-source-ness of the > thing? > > If one goes and has a look why LibreOffice was forked from Open Office Org . . . . > >> >> >> On Feb 10, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: >> >>> What if February 28th a big company like Apple decides to contribute >>> all the money left to complete the target of 350,000? >>> >>> Will RunRev accept such donation to open source Livecode? >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.runrev.com/ Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode From pmbrig at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 07:33:11 2013 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 07:33:11 -0500 Subject: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions. In-Reply-To: <38449051687.20130210133218@ahsoftware.net> References: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> <21BFA71C-488F-4BD8-BFD0-1EFDD1522E08@verizon.net> <5118050B.2050107@gmail.com> <38449051687.20130210133218@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:32 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> But that still doesn't quite explain the 're' of 'repackaged'. > > Or the 're' of 'reduced'. > Or the 're' of 'relax'. > Or the 're' of 'reality'. Reminds me of the bumper sticker I saw: "I AM retired -- I was tired yesterday, and I'm tired again to day." -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From benr_mc at cogapp.com Mon Feb 11 07:47:15 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:47:15 +0000 Subject: How to present a picklist on mobile? Message-ID: <5118E853.6070202@cogapp.com> I'm making yet another attempt to get more seriously into cross-platform mobile, having not focused on this for a long time, during which I know the state of the art has moved forward. I'm working on a little app for in-house use. I want to present the user with a list, for them to make a choice from. The list has short titles, and longer descriptions: eg Apple A round hard fruit Orange A soft round fruit Banana A long soft fruit, generally yellow The list may be quite long - anywhere from 5 to 30 entries. I may well want to present users with a shorter list of usual choices, with a "more..." or similar option to get the full list. (There are actually a bunch of these lists, and they're somewhat dynamic, generated from data periodically retrieved from a server.) On the desktop, I'd most likely just put it all in an option or popup menu, with a tab between the short code and decription - ugly, but easy and handles scrolling etc. If I was feeling generous I might make a more carefully formatted scrolling field, or even a scrolling group of styled objects. But I don't want to do this for the desktop; I want to do it for smartphones, iOS and Android, including 'retina' devices (not bother about iPads or other tablets). On iOS, last time I looked, a standard picker will just display the short codes in a reasonable manner. If I used the option menu approach, the description will probably be truncated to almost nothing (and I don't think tabs will format well). If I use the styled field approach, then it feels clunky to the user because the field doesn't have the native scrolling feel (ie bounce etc). I'm aware that in the long time since I last got into this, there's been all sorts of developments around giving more access to native controls, and other ways of giving a more native feel. I know close to nothing about how things stand on Android. I'm keen for this app to be as cross-platform as possible - both to minimise effort, and to demonstrate to colleagues the LC advantage. But I also want (especially for the latter reason) for it not to be clunkly, especially on iOS. So given all this - what would the wise heads recommend as my approach to this requirement, that ideally will give a good effect, on both iOS and Android, without massive work? (I'm aware that an ideal solution for all constraints may well not exist, and would welcome discussion of various approaches that represent different compromises between these requirements.) Many thanks in advance, Ben From skip at magicgate.com Mon Feb 11 09:41:48 2013 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:41:48 -0500 Subject: OT: Director 12 released Message-ID: FYI: I know there are a few of us who are from the Director world... just saw that version 12 was released today. SKI From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 11 10:58:56 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 07:58:56 -0800 Subject: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions. In-Reply-To: References: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> <21BFA71C-488F-4BD8-BFD0-1EFDD1522E08@verizon.net> <5118050B.2050107@gmail.com> <38449051687.20130210133218@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <180515451078.20130211075856@ahsoftware.net> Peter- Monday, February 11, 2013, 4:33:11 AM, you wrote: > Reminds me of the bumper sticker I saw: > "I AM retired -- I was tired yesterday, and I'm tired again to day." Could be worse. Yesterday I was tardy. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon Feb 11 11:45:03 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:45:03 -0500 Subject: LC speaking with other apps Message-ID: <94D06E04-287F-4916-B10E-AB3B00B713A1@mac.com> For the current project I am working on I am trying to get a lower level Key Trapper/Key Monitor written as an External for LC for Mac and for Windows and one problem I am encountering is with the requirement on the Windows External side to have to use VC++. Since this could be accomplished as a Windows service or as a DLL and that we do have an example of this in C# I am looking at having to translate that to VC++. I am currently looking into this but my question is: What ways and how many ways are there in Windows for having a lower level application like this communicate with LC and vice versa? I need that to be a two way communication. I need the key trapper to say to LC "hey this key was pressed." "what do you want me to do with it?" and then for LC to say to the key trapper "thanks don't send it on" or "thanks send it on" or "hey, if this key is pressed in the future go ahead and send it first and then just notify me" On the Mac I think we have to use xCode to make use of the Apple libraries for key events and so an external seems the way to go, rather than building an separate app and then figuring out how to get LC to communicate with it and vice versa. Also, Applescript has some limited functionality that LC does not as far as keys that are pressed and communicating with LC but I would rather not use AS to that extent for this project. But I am not versed enough with the available ways to do this in Windows. Any ideas or suggestions are welcome. Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com From kevin at runrev.com Mon Feb 11 11:50:37 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:50:37 +0000 Subject: LC speaking with other apps In-Reply-To: <94D06E04-287F-4916-B10E-AB3B00B713A1@mac.com> Message-ID: Do you need an external? Can you use keysDown() in a loop? Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 11/02/2013 16:45, "Thomas McGrath III" wrote: >For the current project I am working on I am trying to get a lower level >Key Trapper/Key Monitor written as an External for LC for Mac and for >Windows and one problem I am encountering is with the requirement on the >Windows External side to have to use VC++. Since this could be >accomplished as a Windows service or as a DLL and that we do have an >example of this in C# I am looking at having to translate that to VC++. I >am currently looking into this but my question is: What ways and how many >ways are there in Windows for having a lower level application like this >communicate with LC and vice versa? I need that to be a two way >communication. > >I need the key trapper to say to LC "hey this key was pressed." "what do >you want me to do with it?" and then for LC to say to the key trapper >"thanks don't send it on" or "thanks send it on" or "hey, if this key is >pressed in the future go ahead and send it first and then just notify me" > >On the Mac I think we have to use xCode to make use of the Apple >libraries for key events and so an external seems the way to go, rather >than building an separate app and then figuring out how to get LC to >communicate with it and vice versa. Also, Applescript has some limited >functionality that LC does not as far as keys that are pressed and >communicating with LC but I would rather not use AS to that extent for >this project. But I am not versed enough with the available ways to do >this in Windows. > >Any ideas or suggestions are welcome. > >Tom > >-- Tom McGrath III >http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >mcgrath3 at mac.com > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 11 11:51:42 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:51:42 -0800 Subject: LC speaking with other apps In-Reply-To: <94D06E04-287F-4916-B10E-AB3B00B713A1@mac.com> References: <94D06E04-287F-4916-B10E-AB3B00B713A1@mac.com> Message-ID: <20518616328.20130211085142@ahsoftware.net> Tom- Monday, February 11, 2013, 8:45:03 AM, you wrote: > Any ideas or suggestions are welcome. I've had to do this before and ended up with a whole event loop in a DLL, as if it were a Windows app. I don't have that in front of me right now but I'll try to dig it up and send it to you offlist. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon Feb 11 12:27:00 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:27:00 -0500 Subject: LC speaking with other apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AC56C57-7D4C-4DAB-8122-89BB26FA6F06@mac.com> Kevin, The keysDown() does not handle certain keys like the fn key by itself yet the OS on Mac does, it uses the fn pressed twice to perform certain functions in VoiceOver. Also, on Mac, the OS does not distinguish between left and right shift keys different than how Windows does BUT it does distinguish between left and right option keys which LC does not. So for my needs there are few keys that are not trapped in keysDown() when pressed by themselves but that the OS is aware of that I need to trap. Thanks Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > Do you need an external? Can you use keysDown() in a loop? > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon Feb 11 12:29:03 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:29:03 -0500 Subject: LC speaking with other apps In-Reply-To: <20518616328.20130211085142@ahsoftware.net> References: <94D06E04-287F-4916-B10E-AB3B00B713A1@mac.com> <20518616328.20130211085142@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <6CCA176A-84E0-4A90-B624-B5F6302498DD@mac.com> Mark, Thanks for looking into this. Does that talk with LC? Does it trap all keys even modifier keys? Does it trap them only if they were pressed by themselves and not in a combination? Looking forward to seeing this. Thank you, Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Tom- > > Monday, February 11, 2013, 8:45:03 AM, you wrote: > >> Any ideas or suggestions are welcome. > > I've had to do this before and ended up with a whole event loop in a > DLL, as if it were a Windows app. I don't have that in front of me > right now but I'll try to dig it up and send it to you offlist. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 11 12:49:27 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:49:27 -0500 Subject: couple of people I know, plus a robot Message-ID: Found this blog post: http://blog.runrev.com/blog/bid/266658/Reporting-back-from-Bett-2013 Stephen Heppell is one of the people I've emailed to try and get to help with the Kickstarter thing. He didn't yet reply. We've know each other for about 24 years, so I'm hopeful that when he gets a chance he will reply. From slylabs13 at me.com Mon Feb 11 13:05:40 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:05:40 -0800 Subject: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions. In-Reply-To: <38449051687.20130210133218@ahsoftware.net> References: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> <21BFA71C-488F-4BD8-BFD0-1EFDD1522E08@verizon.net> <5118050B.2050107@gmail.com> <38449051687.20130210133218@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Oooohhh I love word games! Refried! Refrigerator! Redeem! ;-) On Feb 10, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Richmond- > > Sunday, February 10, 2013, 12:37:31 PM, you wrote: > >> Thanks. > >> But that still doesn't quite explain the 're' of 'repackaged'. > > Or the 're' of 'reduced'. > Or the 're' of 'relax'. > Or the 're' of 'reality'. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Mon Feb 11 13:07:27 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:07:27 -0800 Subject: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions. In-Reply-To: <180515451078.20130211075856@ahsoftware.net> References: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> <21BFA71C-488F-4BD8-BFD0-1EFDD1522E08@verizon.net> <5118050B.2050107@gmail.com> <38449051687.20130210133218@ahsoftware.net> <180515451078.20130211075856@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: heh heh. good one. Bob On Feb 11, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Peter- > > Monday, February 11, 2013, 4:33:11 AM, you wrote: > >> Reminds me of the bumper sticker I saw: >> "I AM retired -- I was tired yesterday, and I'm tired again to day." > > Could be worse. > Yesterday I was tardy. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Mon Feb 11 13:09:33 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:09:33 -0800 Subject: LC speaking with other apps In-Reply-To: <20518616328.20130211085142@ahsoftware.net> References: <94D06E04-287F-4916-B10E-AB3B00B713A1@mac.com> <20518616328.20130211085142@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <75ABF93B-FA08-414B-B515-A8DE883BB575@me.com> That seems like a very useful thing. On Feb 11, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Tom- > > Monday, February 11, 2013, 8:45:03 AM, you wrote: > >> Any ideas or suggestions are welcome. > > I've had to do this before and ended up with a whole event loop in a > DLL, as if it were a Windows app. I don't have that in front of me > right now but I'll try to dig it up and send it to you offlist. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon Feb 11 13:13:51 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:13:51 +0000 Subject: How to present a picklist on mobile? In-Reply-To: <5118E853.6070202@cogapp.com> References: <5118E853.6070202@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFF6974@Peas2.byu.local> Ben, I'd recommend following Elanor's excellent native scroller tutorial in the latest RevUP newsletter for your list. Once you've wrapped your head around mobile-native controls I think you'll see that they're not difficult, and they go a long way to taking the "clunk" out of your mobile apps. http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/february/issue148/newsletter4.php HTH Devin On Feb 11, 2013, at 5:47 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > I'm making yet another attempt to get more seriously into cross-platform mobile, having not focused on this for a long time, during which I know the state of the art has moved forward. I'm working on a little app for in-house use. > > I want to present the user with a list, for them to make a choice from. The list has short titles, and longer descriptions: eg > Apple A round hard fruit > Orange A soft round fruit > Banana A long soft fruit, generally yellow > > The list may be quite long - anywhere from 5 to 30 entries. I may well want to present users with a shorter list of usual choices, with a "more..." or similar option to get the full list. (There are actually a bunch of these lists, and they're somewhat dynamic, generated from data periodically retrieved from a server.) > > On the desktop, I'd most likely just put it all in an option or popup menu, with a tab between the short code and decription - ugly, but easy and handles scrolling etc. If I was feeling generous I might make a more carefully formatted scrolling field, or even a scrolling group of styled objects. > > But I don't want to do this for the desktop; I want to do it for smartphones, iOS and Android, including 'retina' devices (not bother about iPads or other tablets). > > On iOS, last time I looked, a standard picker will just display the short codes in a reasonable manner. If I used the option menu approach, the description will probably be truncated to almost nothing (and I don't think tabs will format well). If I use the styled field approach, then it feels clunky to the user because the field doesn't have the native scrolling feel (ie bounce etc). > > I'm aware that in the long time since I last got into this, there's been all sorts of developments around giving more access to native controls, and other ways of giving a more native feel. > > I know close to nothing about how things stand on Android. I'm keen for this app to be as cross-platform as possible - both to minimise effort, and to demonstrate to colleagues the LC advantage. But I also want (especially for the latter reason) for it not to be clunkly, especially on iOS. > > So given all this - what would the wise heads recommend as my approach to this requirement, that ideally will give a good effect, on both iOS and Android, without massive work? > > (I'm aware that an ideal solution for all constraints may well not exist, and would welcome discussion of various approaches that represent different compromises between these requirements.) > > Many thanks in advance, > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon Feb 11 13:21:20 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:21:20 +0000 Subject: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions. In-Reply-To: References: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> <21BFA71C-488F-4BD8-BFD0-1EFDD1522E08@verizon.net> <5118050B.2050107@gmail.com> <38449051687.20130210133218@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFF6A38@Peas2.byu.local> On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > Oooohhh I love word games! Refried! Refrigerator! Redeem! > > ;-) > > > On Feb 10, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> Richmond- >> >> Sunday, February 10, 2013, 12:37:31 PM, you wrote: >> >>> Thanks. >> >>> But that still doesn't quite explain the 're' of 'repackaged'. >> >> Or the 're' of 'reduced'. >> Or the 're' of 'relax'. >> Or the 're' of 'reality'. > This is just getting *ahem* "re"-diculous! ;) Devin Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 13:45:38 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:45:38 +0200 Subject: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions. In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFF6A38@Peas2.byu.local> References: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> <21BFA71C-488F-4BD8-BFD0-1EFDD1522E08@verizon.net> <5118050B.2050107@gmail.com> <38449051687.20130210133218@ahsoftware.net> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFF6A38@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <51193C52.6000208@gmail.com> On 02/11/2013 08:21 PM, Devin Asay wrote: > On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > >> Oooohhh I love word games! Refried! Refrigerator! Redeem! >> >> ;-) >> >> >> On Feb 10, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> >>> Richmond- >>> >>> Sunday, February 10, 2013, 12:37:31 PM, you wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> But that still doesn't quite explain the 're' of 'repackaged'. >>> Or the 're' of 'reduced'. >>> Or the 're' of 'relax'. >>> Or the 're' of 'reality'. > This is just getting *ahem* "re"-diculous! ;) > > Devin > > Devin Asay > Office of Digital Humanities > Brigham Young University > > Yes, indeed it is getting "re" -diculous: maybe we could retrench, return to reconsider my original question, if anyone can actually remember or recall what it was. LOL. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 11 14:46:19 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 06:46:19 +1100 Subject: LC speaking with other apps In-Reply-To: <94D06E04-287F-4916-B10E-AB3B00B713A1@mac.com> References: <94D06E04-287F-4916-B10E-AB3B00B713A1@mac.com> Message-ID: <29EE9DC5-978F-4747-977F-C364D2B713FE@sweattechnologies.com> If an external won't work you could write it as a small app then open process for update and read / write to the process. On 12/02/2013, at 3:45 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > For the current project I am working on I am trying to get a lower level Key Trapper/Key Monitor written as an External for LC for Mac and for Windows and one problem I am encountering is with the requirement on the Windows External side to have to use VC++. Since this could be accomplished as a Windows service or as a DLL and that we do have an example of this in C# I am looking at having to translate that to VC++. I am currently looking into this but my question is: What ways and how many ways are there in Windows for having a lower level application like this communicate with LC and vice versa? I need that to be a two way communication. > > I need the key trapper to say to LC "hey this key was pressed." "what do you want me to do with it?" and then for LC to say to the key trapper "thanks don't send it on" or "thanks send it on" or "hey, if this key is pressed in the future go ahead and send it first and then just notify me" > > On the Mac I think we have to use xCode to make use of the Apple libraries for key events and so an external seems the way to go, rather than building an separate app and then figuring out how to get LC to communicate with it and vice versa. Also, Applescript has some limited functionality that LC does not as far as keys that are pressed and communicating with LC but I would rather not use AS to that extent for this project. But I am not versed enough with the available ways to do this in Windows. > > Any ideas or suggestions are welcome. > > Tom > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From pmbrig at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 16:57:10 2013 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:57:10 -0500 Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth Message-ID: Just saw this in the NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2013/02/11/us/11reuters-space-satellite.html?hp NASA just launched another photographic satellite to supplement the aging LandSat 7. Some of you may not know that the Landsat photographic image monitoring, collection, and distribution is run entirely in LiveCode. For those who are unfamiliar with it, here is the LC case study: http://tinyurl.com/cf35nrr I am assuming that the same group will be using their LC software to collect images from the new satellite. I love to use the NASA Landsat as an example of how LC is not just a hobbyist's language! -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon Feb 11 17:27:26 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:27:26 -0500 Subject: LC speaking with other apps In-Reply-To: <29EE9DC5-978F-4747-977F-C364D2B713FE@sweattechnologies.com> References: <94D06E04-287F-4916-B10E-AB3B00B713A1@mac.com> <29EE9DC5-978F-4747-977F-C364D2B713FE@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: hmm, I will keep that in mind. a polling loop for updates. I wonder if it will seem fast enough ? -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 11, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > If an external won't work you could write it as a small app then open process for update and read / write to the process. > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 11 17:41:10 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:41:10 -0800 Subject: Open Source Livecode: a few daft questions. In-Reply-To: <51193C52.6000208@gmail.com> References: <51180060.9010503@gmail.com> <21BFA71C-488F-4BD8-BFD0-1EFDD1522E08@verizon.net> <5118050B.2050107@gmail.com> <38449051687.20130210133218@ahsoftware.net> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFF6A38@Peas2.byu.local> <51193C52.6000208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49539584671.20130211144110@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- Monday, February 11, 2013, 10:45:38 AM, you wrote: > Yes, indeed it is getting "re" -diculous: maybe we could retrench, return to > reconsider my original question, if anyone can actually remember or > recall what it was. LOL. I can't say the OQ is high on my list of things to worry about. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 11 18:12:50 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:12:50 -0500 Subject: couple of people I know, plus a robot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14456A7E-AF5C-4EDF-9CA6-7C78CA1593B7@verizon.net> I sent Stephen another message. He still didn't reply, but did soon afterwards did do a tweet: stephen heppell @stephenheppell I loved #hypercard for the way it got folk programming. A proper attempt to recreate it needs yoiur helpkickstarter.com/projects/17552? The tweet included the media too. From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 11 18:15:37 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:15:37 -0500 Subject: couple of people I know, plus a robot In-Reply-To: <14456A7E-AF5C-4EDF-9CA6-7C78CA1593B7@verizon.net> References: <14456A7E-AF5C-4EDF-9CA6-7C78CA1593B7@verizon.net> Message-ID: <72C640CE-C66A-499B-B0F9-1C2D2758484A@verizon.net> By the way, although Stephen only has 8,274 followers, a lot of them are in education. One follower he has is Bill Thompson, someone else I have emailed. Hopefully the tweet will prompt Bill to reply to my message! From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 11 22:01:41 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:01:41 -0500 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?radical_Kickstarter_idea=85?= Message-ID: I saw this page, and item 5 in particular: http://www.gamesbrief.com/2012/07/kickstarter-after-the-kick-but-before-the-start/ It gave me an idea. What if you gave everyone who pledged ?150 or more a year of commercial license? I mean the current one, not the one that would be there if the project is a success. For existing customers that would be a 50% discount on extending their license by a year, and for new customers it would give them something even if the project failed. From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 11 22:03:35 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:03:35 -0500 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_radical_Kickstarter_idea=85?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Right after sending I saw a flaw in my idea, if the ?150 deal was part of a reward. It would need to be an instant reward, not a project success one, if that is allowed under Kickstarter rules. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 11 22:29:55 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:29:55 +1100 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_radical_Kickstarter_idea=85?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why would it need to be an instant reward? After reading a couple of Mark's blogs though I think just getting the concentrated effort on refactoring and adding extensibility to the engine will be enough reward. Once done then so many more things will become possible with LiveCode. Not to mention all the things we have been asking for for years suddenly within reach. On 12/02/2013, at 2:03 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Right after sending I saw a flaw in my idea, if the ?150 deal was part of a reward. It would need to be an instant reward, not a project success one, if that is allowed under Kickstarter rules. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 11 22:59:49 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:59:49 -0500 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_radical_Kickstarter_idea=85?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe for me or you, but most people won't be contributing, they will just be using the tool. Some number of them will not want to pledge ?640 to then possibly get the commercial license, but they might pledge ?150 to definitely get the commercial license. Any new commercial license holders are future renewers too, regardless of whether the project succeeds. On Feb 11, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >Why would it need to be an instant reward? After reading a couple of Mark's blogs though I think just getting the concentrated effort on refactoring and adding extensibility to the engine will be enough reward. From bogdanoff at me.com Tue Feb 12 01:29:28 2013 From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:29:28 -0800 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_radical_Kickstarter_idea=E2=80=A6?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why not make it an even lower price and get the attention of Dealnews.com: "Dev tool that allows even beginners to create desktop and mobile apps--with a $ Kickstarter pledge, normally $$$$ (if it fails to fund, you still get the app)." Peter On Feb 11, 2013, at 7:59 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Maybe for me or you, but most people won't be contributing, they will just be using the tool. Some number of them will not want to pledge ?640 to then possibly get the commercial license, but they might pledge ?150 to definitely get the commercial license. > > Any new commercial license holders are future renewers too, regardless of whether the project succeeds. > > > On Feb 11, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >>> Why would it need to be an instant reward? After reading a couple of Mark's blogs though I think just getting the concentrated effort on refactoring and adding extensibility to the engine will be enough reward. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 12 10:13:04 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 10:13:04 -0500 Subject: half way point, quarter way there... Message-ID: <4F9B5F12-1E32-499E-B629-D699AC92B112@verizon.net> A pledge of ?70 just took the total to 25.01%. (I wrote that earlier, but the message didn't go through. A later pledge of ?119 has taken it to 25.02%) From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Feb 12 10:28:06 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:28:06 +0100 Subject: A way to help open-source LiveCode In-Reply-To: <51127940.7020007@economy-x-talk.com> References: <51127940.7020007@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <511A5F86.5090703@economy-x-talk.com> Hi guys, I wanted to let you know that we're at 50 euro now. I think that could become much more with your help. The LiveCode open-source initiative is a great idea. I pledged but I was thinking I could pledge more. That's why I'd like to announce that I'll use 50% of all net revenues (= after sales tax) of Installer Maker to back the open-source edition of LiveCode on Kickstarter, provided that the initiative is successful. You can find more info about Installer Maker for LiveCode at http://qery.us/34e I'll make the additional pledge on 28th February. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. From kevin at runrev.com Tue Feb 12 11:44:05 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:44:05 +0000 Subject: Campaign update Message-ID: Hi Team, We are now approaching the half way point on the campaign. We're a quarter of the way through funding. While there is often a spike at the end of Kickstarter projects, I think we have more work to do to keep building momentum! While the vast majority of the comments and feedback we've had on this campaign has been positive, there has been some confusion from a sizable minority. Reading the various comments on the campaign I think there the cause is the lack of clarity around the goal of "going open source" (not something which costs money), vs the "actual project", which requires development effort and thus funding. I'm not sure we have done as good a job as we could have in communicating that. I'm also not sure that the campaign has yet resonated as widely with those outside our customer base as we intended. I think this is probably the reason. So we've updated the campaign page today. The project has been retitled to "Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source)" so that we clearly communicate the project itself in the headline. We've reworked the text to state the benefits to the end user more clearly, asking questions up front which resonate with our target audience and then telling a simple story. We've talked about the ground breaking changes we're making and linked to the blog posts. We've moved the various pledge level graphics off to make the page easier to navigate. And we've put the licensing questions and details about the open source license into the FAQ. We have also added a ?310 tier which is a 1 year commercial license (or extension to any existing license end date of 1 year) plus the previous tiers. This is in response to requests for a tier that just focuses on that. I hope these changes, when taken together with the two video updates we did at the end of last week (new top video showing you what you can do, and new intro to the longer video showing clearly our unique selling points) will help us to communicate better what this campaign is about! You can see it as a halfway point relaunch. I'd welcome your feedback on these changes. We can continue to tweak the page if necessary. We'll be updating the various press folk we're working with on the new messaging angle and redoubling our efforts to get the word out there and make our case! I'll be holding a webinar on Thursday at 5PM UK to take any questions. You can sign up here https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/297977402 Thanks so much for your feedback and support. More soon. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Feb 12 12:17:22 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:17:22 +0100 Subject: Campaign update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <511A7922.3070202@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Kevin, Thanks for the e-mail, but it is yet another message to the already existing LiveCode community. It isn't clear to me what RunRev is doing to reach people outside this community and how we could help. Could you elaborate on that? (I'd like to read a little more than "tell your friends", "share on social media" and "we're open to suggestions"). -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. On 2/12/2013 17:44, Kevin Miller wrote: > Hi Team, > > We are now approaching the half way point on the campaign. We're a quarter > of the way through funding. While there is often a spike at the end of > Kickstarter projects, I think we have more work to do to keep building > momentum! > > While the vast majority of the comments and feedback we've had on this > campaign has been positive, there has been some confusion from a sizable > minority. Reading the various comments on the campaign I think there the > cause is the lack of clarity around the goal of "going open source" (not > something which costs money), vs the "actual project", which requires > development effort and thus funding. I'm not sure we have done as good a job > as we could have in communicating that. I'm also not sure that the campaign > has yet resonated as widely with those outside our customer base as we > intended. I think this is probably the reason. > > So we've updated the campaign page today. The project has been retitled to > "Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source)" so that we clearly communicate the > project itself in the headline. We've reworked the text to state the > benefits to the end user more clearly, asking questions up front which > resonate with our target audience and then telling a simple story. We've > talked about the ground breaking changes we're making and linked to the blog > posts. We've moved the various pledge level graphics off to make the page > easier to navigate. And we've put the licensing questions and details about > the open source license into the FAQ. > > We have also added a ?310 tier which is a 1 year commercial license (or > extension to any existing license end date of 1 year) plus the previous > tiers. This is in response to requests for a tier that just focuses on that. > > I hope these changes, when taken together with the two video updates we did > at the end of last week (new top video showing you what you can do, and new > intro to the longer video showing clearly our unique selling points) will > help us to communicate better what this campaign is about! > > You can see it as a halfway point relaunch. > > I'd welcome your feedback on these changes. We can continue to tweak the > page if necessary. We'll be updating the various press folk we're working > with on the new messaging angle and redoubling our efforts to get the word > out there and make our case! > > I'll be holding a webinar on Thursday at 5PM UK to take any questions. You > can sign up here https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/297977402 > > Thanks so much for your feedback and support. More soon. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 12 12:34:52 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:34:52 -0600 Subject: Campaign update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <511A7D3C.5030701@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/12/13 10:44 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > Hi Team, > > We are now approaching the half way point on the campaign. We're a quarter > of the way through funding. While there is often a spike at the end of > Kickstarter projects, I think we have more work to do to keep building > momentum! One thing I've been thinking about, and it may be too late for this now, is how popular robot projects are. People flock to them. I know a few people here have figured out how to get LiveCode to talk with arduino. Suppose that stack were cleaned up and provided to anyone who pledged any amount. I'd think education and hobbyists would be excited to get a working controller. Maybe other people too. I don't know how polished any of the current stacks are, or what it would take to get them into working apps, or even if the people who wrote them would be willing to donate their work to the cause. It's just an idea I had a few days ago. Robots sell. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From th.douez at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 12:58:39 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:58:39 +0100 Subject: Yet Another Kickstarter stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, As the kickstarter web page changed just few minutes ago, I made an update of my stack "*Yet Another KickStarter board".* You can download it at http://sunny-tdz.com/dwn and check for *Yet Another KickStarter board* (end of the page) The stack is still free and you can still do whatever you like with it. Regards, Thierry 2013/2/1 Thierry Douez > Hi, > > I've just released a stack which scans the kickstarter web page > and presents the relevant information in a simple way. > There is a graph which reacts to mouse events. > > The stack is free and you can do whatever you like with it. > > Enjoy! > > Thierry > > From kevin at runrev.com Tue Feb 12 13:11:16 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:11:16 +0000 Subject: Campaign update In-Reply-To: <511A7922.3070202@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark, We're doing lots outside the community. I'll post a more extensive update on our efforts there tomorrow. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 12/02/2013 17:17, "Mark Schonewille" wrote: >Hi Kevin, > >Thanks for the e-mail, but it is yet another message to the already >existing LiveCode community. It isn't clear to me what RunRev is doing >to reach people outside this community and how we could help. Could you >elaborate on that? (I'd like to read a little more than "tell your >friends", "share on social media" and "we're open to suggestions"). > >-- >Best regards, > >Mark Schonewille > >Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering >Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com >Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer >KvK: 50277553 > >Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other >colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > >We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a >quote. > >On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send >an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try >again. > >On 2/12/2013 17:44, Kevin Miller wrote: >> Hi Team, >> >> We are now approaching the half way point on the campaign. We're a >>quarter >> of the way through funding. While there is often a spike at the end of >> Kickstarter projects, I think we have more work to do to keep building >> momentum! >> >> While the vast majority of the comments and feedback we've had on this >> campaign has been positive, there has been some confusion from a sizable >> minority. Reading the various comments on the campaign I think there the >> cause is the lack of clarity around the goal of "going open source" (not >> something which costs money), vs the "actual project", which requires >> development effort and thus funding. I'm not sure we have done as good >>a job >> as we could have in communicating that. I'm also not sure that the >>campaign >> has yet resonated as widely with those outside our customer base as we >> intended. I think this is probably the reason. >> >> So we've updated the campaign page today. The project has been retitled >>to >> "Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source)" so that we clearly communicate >>the >> project itself in the headline. We've reworked the text to state the >> benefits to the end user more clearly, asking questions up front which >> resonate with our target audience and then telling a simple story. We've >> talked about the ground breaking changes we're making and linked to the >>blog >> posts. We've moved the various pledge level graphics off to make the >>page >> easier to navigate. And we've put the licensing questions and details >>about >> the open source license into the FAQ. >> >> We have also added a ?310 tier which is a 1 year commercial license (or >> extension to any existing license end date of 1 year) plus the previous >> tiers. This is in response to requests for a tier that just focuses on >>that. >> >> I hope these changes, when taken together with the two video updates we >>did >> at the end of last week (new top video showing you what you can do, and >>new >> intro to the longer video showing clearly our unique selling points) >>will >> help us to communicate better what this campaign is about! >> >> You can see it as a halfway point relaunch. >> >> I'd welcome your feedback on these changes. We can continue to tweak the >> page if necessary. We'll be updating the various press folk we're >>working >> with on the new messaging angle and redoubling our efforts to get the >>word >> out there and make our case! >> >> I'll be holding a webinar on Thursday at 5PM UK to take any questions. >>You >> can sign up here https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/297977402 >> >> Thanks so much for your feedback and support. More soon. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Kevin >> >> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >> LiveCode: Everyone can code >> > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 12 13:40:24 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:40:24 -0500 Subject: Washington DC LiveCode User Group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How is this going? What will you talk about, and where will you meet? On Feb 5, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > http://www.linkedin.com/groups/LiveCode-Washington-DC-User-Group-4837481 > > I would like to have our first meeting sometime this month. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Feb 12 13:53:38 2013 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:53:38 -0500 Subject: Washington DC LiveCode User Group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 13 people have signed up in the group so far and I know of at least one other person close to me who is interested. most of the signups came within the last day or so. Now that there is enough interested I just have to figure out a good date/place for the group to meet. I will be working on that over the next few days. What to talk about? I still have to query the group to see what people are interested in learning about and who has stuff they might want to demo. If nothing else have a couple of things I've been working on this past year with both internet, UI and database that might be of interest. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.clarify-it.com - www.screensteps.com On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > How is this going? What will you talk about, and where will you meet? > > > On Feb 5, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Trevor DeVore > wrote: > > > http://www.linkedin.com/groups/LiveCode-Washington-DC-User-Group-4837481 > > > > I would like to have our first meeting sometime this month. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 12 14:22:17 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 19:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth References: Message-ID: Peter M. Brigham writes: > http://tinyurl.com/cf35nrr Yow! That is one *ugly* interface. I'd just as soon not advertise that as our poster child. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 12 14:25:28 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 06:25:28 +1100 Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> I'm sure it's perfectly usable to those that know how to use it ;-) On 13/02/2013, at 6:22 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Yow! That is one *ugly* interface. I'd just as soon not advertise that as our > poster child. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 12 14:34:35 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:34:35 -0500 Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: I guess, just don't use the phrase "you don't have to be a rocket scientist to use LiveCode". On Feb 12, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >I'm sure it's perfectly usable to those that know how to use it ;-) From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue Feb 12 14:43:27 2013 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:43:27 -0800 Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: I'm impressed by the unimpressive-ness of the interface. It was probably written before 2002. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > I guess, just don't use the phrase "you don't have to be a rocket > scientist to use LiveCode". > > > On Feb 12, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Monte Goulding > wrote: > > > >I'm sure it's perfectly usable to those that know how to use it ;-) > > _______________________________________________ > -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From paul at whitefeather.com Tue Feb 12 14:53:27 2013 From: paul at whitefeather.com (Paul Foraker) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:53:27 -0800 Subject: Google OAuth2 For Native Apps Message-ID: I see that in 2011 there were some conversations about building a library or two for Google OAuth2. Is there anything available now? -- Paul From gcanyon at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 15:13:05 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:13:05 -0600 Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Who created it? On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM, stephen barncard < stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > I'm impressed by the unimpressive-ness of the interface. It was probably > written before 2002. > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > > > I guess, just don't use the phrase "you don't have to be a rocket > > scientist to use LiveCode". > > > > > > On Feb 12, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Monte Goulding > > > wrote: > > > > > >I'm sure it's perfectly usable to those that know how to use it ;-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > -- > > > > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco Ca. USA > > more about sqb > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Feb 12 15:53:41 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:53:41 -0500 Subject: mobile push notifications how-to In-Reply-To: <91E23B63-74C9-494B-A89E-F48B38DF7115@icloud.com> References: <91E23B63-74C9-494B-A89E-F48B38DF7115@icloud.com> Message-ID: Chris, Back at the beginning of 2012 we were messing around with getting this done, when John Craig put out a stack to the list called "APNSAssistant". It works great and has the whole process all laid out. There is a big long discussion amongst all of us. If Pierre's response doesn't get you where you want to go, email me and we'll work it out. Easy is an understatement. On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > Does anybody have a how-to guide for using push notifications? I've read > through the dictionary and the iOS release notes about how to handle > received notifications, but how does one actually send out a message? The > docs mention a "Push Notification Server" and registering for the service, > but I don't understand how you do that. Is it done through iTunes Connect > somewhere? > > I'm probably just a little thick today, but I can't seem to figure this > out. > > Thanks, > Chris > > > > -- > Chris Sheffield > Read Naturally, Inc. > www.readnaturally.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From revdev at pdslabs.net Tue Feb 12 16:03:23 2013 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:03:23 -0800 Subject: DataTree question Message-ID: <511AAE1B.8050801@pdslabs.net> Hi folks, I'm starting to use DataTree 2 from NativeSoft. Nice product - are you using it? If so, maybe you can help me. I want to rearrange "flat" non-container items in a list by dragging them around, but am not seeing how to do it. Has anyone figured out how to drop item B onto item A and have B show up just below or just above A in the list? That's what I'm trying to do. Instead, I drop B onto A and B apparently gets merged with A. Maybe it's something simple and I'm approaching it wrong. Thanks - -- Phil Davis From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 12 16:15:26 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Geoff Canyon writes: > Who created it? Looks like a quick hack. It's the sort of thing that gives LiveCode a bad name... -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 12 16:23:43 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:23:43 +1100 Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <0078E4CD-C072-499B-88BB-E48501767DC4@sweattechnologies.com> Actually LiveCode is perfect for quick single purpose/single user app development. I don't see why that should give it a bad name. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 13/02/2013, at 8:15 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Looks like a quick hack. > It's the sort of thing that gives LiveCode a bad name... From gcanyon at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 16:45:32 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:45:32 -0600 Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: <0078E4CD-C072-499B-88BB-E48501767DC4@sweattechnologies.com> References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> <0078E4CD-C072-499B-88BB-E48501767DC4@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: If I had a dollar for every quick hack I've bodged together over the years... On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Actually LiveCode is perfect for quick single purpose/single user app > development. I don't see why that should give it a bad name. > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 13/02/2013, at 8:15 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > > Looks like a quick hack. > > It's the sort of thing that gives LiveCode a bad name... > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pmbrig at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 17:13:52 2013 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:13:52 -0500 Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: The NASA people didn't create the webpage. Quarrel with the page design if you will, using LC to run a major satellite data system is impressive. That's the point. It's worth letting people know about it. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Feb 12, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Geoff Canyon writes: > >> Who created it? > > Looks like a quick hack. > It's the sort of thing that gives LiveCode a bad name... > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 12 17:28:44 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> <0078E4CD-C072-499B-88BB-E48501767DC4@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Geoff Canyon writes: > > If I had a dollar for every quick hack I've bodged together over the > years... Sure - and that goes for all of us. But the OP said "I love to use the NASA Landsat as an example of how LC is not just a hobbyist's language!" and I would draw the line at promoting a quick hack as our example of anything. Granted the software under the hood is probably impressive, but the retro 1995 UI is pretty yawn-inspiring. I wouldn't point to that interface if I were trying to rally support. NASA could use some better PR folks, and I think the KickStarter project wouldn't benefit much from highlighting this example unless it just talked about it and didn't show it. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 12 17:31:36 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Peter M. Brigham writes: > > The NASA people didn't create the webpage. Quarrel with the page design if you will, using LC to run a major > satellite data system is impressive. That's the point. It's worth letting people know about it. > I don't care about the webpage. Halfway down there's a screenshot of the LiveCode UI command panel. That's the part I'm complaining about. Yes, I do get your point about this being an impressive system, but the part that shows what LC looks like in action isn't likely to generate any positive interest. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From peterwawood at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 17:59:49 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 06:59:49 +0800 Subject: Campaign update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36A36E76-12D8-4170-8366-CA52AB17B357@gmail.com> Kevin One small thing that could be done is to link the RunRev Facebook page to the Kickstarter page. At the moment, the text "Has not connected Facebook" is displayed by the Facebook logo on the Kickstarter project page. Regards Peter On 13 Feb 2013, at 02:11, Kevin Miller wrote: > Hi Mark, > > We're doing lots outside the community. I'll post a more extensive update > on our efforts there tomorrow. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > > > > > On 12/02/2013 17:17, "Mark Schonewille" > wrote: > >> Hi Kevin, >> >> Thanks for the e-mail, but it is yet another message to the already >> existing LiveCode community. It isn't clear to me what RunRev is doing >> to reach people outside this community and how we could help. Could you >> elaborate on that? (I'd like to read a little more than "tell your >> friends", "share on social media" and "we're open to suggestions"). >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Schonewille >> >> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering >> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer >> KvK: 50277553 >> >> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other >> colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com >> >> We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a >> quote. >> >> On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send >> an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try >> again. >> >> On 2/12/2013 17:44, Kevin Miller wrote: >>> Hi Team, >>> >>> We are now approaching the half way point on the campaign. We're a >>> quarter >>> of the way through funding. While there is often a spike at the end of >>> Kickstarter projects, I think we have more work to do to keep building >>> momentum! >>> >>> While the vast majority of the comments and feedback we've had on this >>> campaign has been positive, there has been some confusion from a sizable >>> minority. Reading the various comments on the campaign I think there the >>> cause is the lack of clarity around the goal of "going open source" (not >>> something which costs money), vs the "actual project", which requires >>> development effort and thus funding. I'm not sure we have done as good >>> a job >>> as we could have in communicating that. I'm also not sure that the >>> campaign >>> has yet resonated as widely with those outside our customer base as we >>> intended. I think this is probably the reason. >>> >>> So we've updated the campaign page today. The project has been retitled >>> to >>> "Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source)" so that we clearly communicate >>> the >>> project itself in the headline. We've reworked the text to state the >>> benefits to the end user more clearly, asking questions up front which >>> resonate with our target audience and then telling a simple story. We've >>> talked about the ground breaking changes we're making and linked to the >>> blog >>> posts. We've moved the various pledge level graphics off to make the >>> page >>> easier to navigate. And we've put the licensing questions and details >>> about >>> the open source license into the FAQ. >>> >>> We have also added a ?310 tier which is a 1 year commercial license (or >>> extension to any existing license end date of 1 year) plus the previous >>> tiers. This is in response to requests for a tier that just focuses on >>> that. >>> >>> I hope these changes, when taken together with the two video updates we >>> did >>> at the end of last week (new top video showing you what you can do, and >>> new >>> intro to the longer video showing clearly our unique selling points) >>> will >>> help us to communicate better what this campaign is about! >>> >>> You can see it as a halfway point relaunch. >>> >>> I'd welcome your feedback on these changes. We can continue to tweak the >>> page if necessary. We'll be updating the various press folk we're >>> working >>> with on the new messaging angle and redoubling our efforts to get the >>> word >>> out there and make our case! >>> >>> I'll be holding a webinar on Thursday at 5PM UK to take any questions. >>> You >>> can sign up here https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/297977402 >>> >>> Thanks so much for your feedback and support. More soon. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >>> LiveCode: Everyone can code >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pmbrig at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 18:08:48 2013 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:08:48 -0500 Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <4438A182-6F12-45C7-825E-46E259A14582@gmail.com> On Feb 12, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > I don't care about the webpage. Halfway down there's a screenshot of the > LiveCode UI command panel. That's the part I'm complaining about. Yes, I do get > your point about this being an impressive system, but the part that shows what > LC looks like in action isn't likely to generate any positive interest. I might for those who come in thinking that LC is all about eye candy and can't do any serious lifting. It would probably take less than 2 days for any one of three dozen denizens of this list to re-tool their GUI to make it look spiffy (which can be pointed out to those who care). But NASA was undoubtedly trying to create a tool that works, and they have one, and can update it easily as needed. There are lots of folks that we need to attract to LC who have been dismissing it as a lightweight hobbyist's playground and who need to know its power. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From gcanyon at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 19:18:30 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:18:30 -0600 Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: <4438A182-6F12-45C7-825E-46E259A14582@gmail.com> References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> <4438A182-6F12-45C7-825E-46E259A14582@gmail.com> Message-ID: The key phrase here is (paraphrased): "We load 3000 to 4000 commands into the spacecraft daily. It's vital that we check every single command to ensure it will execute properly and without harming any part of the spacecraft. This check is always done under a short deadline, and it used to take three people two hours to perform. LoadChecker automates the whole process for a greater degree of reliability, and completes the check in just five seconds." So NASA trusts the safety of a satellite to a program written in LiveCode. Pretty is one thing, the safety of satellites is another level. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: > On Feb 12, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > > I don't care about the webpage. Halfway down there's a screenshot of the > > LiveCode UI command panel. That's the part I'm complaining about. Yes, I > do get > > your point about this being an impressive system, but the part that > shows what > > LC looks like in action isn't likely to generate any positive interest. > > I might for those who come in thinking that LC is all about eye candy and > can't do any serious lifting. It would probably take less than 2 days for > any one of three dozen denizens of this list to re-tool their GUI to make > it look spiffy (which can be pointed out to those who care). But NASA was > undoubtedly trying to create a tool that works, and they have one, and can > update it easily as needed. There are lots of folks that we need to attract > to LC who have been dismissing it as a lightweight hobbyist's playground > and who need to know its power. > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From chipp at agilixideaworks.com Tue Feb 12 22:04:45 2013 From: chipp at agilixideaworks.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:04:45 -0600 Subject: convert (scrape) website to PDF Message-ID: Anyone have any experience creating a PDF from content on a website? I'd like to convert: http://gls.agilix.com/js/docs/#!/Overview It has frames and links and seems quite difficult and was wondering if anyone has had experience in creating a stack which can custom scrape a website? TIA Chipp Walters SVP, General Manager, IdeaWorks 512.577.9258 cell chipp at agilixIdeaWorks.com skype: chippwalters http://youtu.be/PZuK5_u2eyI From sc at sahores-conseil.com Tue Feb 12 22:11:03 2013 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 04:11:03 +0100 Subject: convert (scrape) website to PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <541A067A-8081-4A5B-ACE9-CBE85F4A37A1@sahores-conseil.com> Hej Chipp, HTMLDoc is sometimes very useful in about such tasks. http://www.htmldoc.org/ Best, Pierre Le 13 f?vr. 2013 ? 04:04, Chipp Walters a ?crit : > Anyone have any experience creating a PDF from content on a website? > > I'd like to convert: http://gls.agilix.com/js/docs/#!/Overview > > It has frames and links and seems quite difficult and was wondering if > anyone has had experience in creating a stack which can custom scrape a > website? > > TIA > > Chipp Walters > SVP, General Manager, IdeaWorks > > 512.577.9258 cell > chipp at agilixIdeaWorks.com > skype: chippwalters > > http://youtu.be/PZuK5_u2eyI > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From chipp at chipp.com Tue Feb 12 22:36:47 2013 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:36:47 -0600 Subject: convert (scrape) website to PDF In-Reply-To: <541A067A-8081-4A5B-ACE9-CBE85F4A37A1@sahores-conseil.com> References: <541A067A-8081-4A5B-ACE9-CBE85F4A37A1@sahores-conseil.com> Message-ID: Hi Pierre! How are you? Yes, I do remember HTML2DOC. Thanks for reminding me! I actually used it in Hemingway to create PDFs from websites. Good solution. Thanks! Chipp Walters CEO, Altuit, Inc. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > Hej Chipp, > > HTMLDoc is sometimes very useful in about such tasks. > > http://www.htmldoc.org/ > > Best, > > Pierre > > Le 13 f?vr. 2013 ? 04:04, Chipp Walters a ?crit : > > > Anyone have any experience creating a PDF from content on a website? > > > > I'd like to convert: http://gls.agilix.com/js/docs/#!/Overview > > > > It has frames and links and seems quite difficult and was wondering if > > anyone has had experience in creating a stack which can custom scrape a > > website? > > > > TIA > > > > Chipp Walters > > SVP, General Manager, IdeaWorks > > > > 512.577.9258 cell > > chipp at agilixIdeaWorks.com > > skype: chippwalters > > > > http://youtu.be/PZuK5_u2eyI > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From ueliweb at gmx.ch Wed Feb 13 01:57:16 2013 From: ueliweb at gmx.ch (Ueliweb) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:57:16 +0200 Subject: text file import & charsets - whats wrong Message-ID: Hei today I have 2 questions: At the moment I was importing some Data from a tab delimited text file. I use on Mac: TextWrangler and on Windows: Notepad++Portable a 'PortableApps'. First Question: ***************** the text imported by manually by copying from a text editor I got that contend in the variable 'theTabText' with this code: ask question "Copy the tab-Text here:" put it into theTabText ID token Long_DE Semester_ID Semester_token Teacher_ID Teacher_token 1 11A 11A_12/13-2 2 12/13-2 2 HER 2 11B 11B_12/13-2 2 12/13-2 ??? if I import the same file with this code: put URL ("file:" & tPath) into theTabText ?? I D t o k e n L o n g _ D E S e m e s t e r _ I D S e m e s t e r _ t o k e n T e a c h e r _ I D T e a c h e r _ t o k e n 1 1 1 A 1 1 A _ 1 2 / 1 3 - 2 2 1 2 / 1 3 - 2 2 H E R 2 1 1 B 1 1 B _ 1 2 / 1 3 - 2 2 1 2 / 1 3 - 2 ? ? ? 3 1 1 A 1 1 A _ 1 2 / 1 3 - 1 1 1 2 / 1 3 - 1 2 H E R I am confusing about the "??" before the text starts and that every character is seperated by a space ??? Using the text file of an other table both ways of importing I get the same output into the variable 'theTabText' Second Question: ******************** If I import the same source file on Windows or an Mac then the 'umlauts' (??? ...) are replaced by some unreadable symbols. I know that this has also to do with charset used by the text file. But it is al the same about I use "Western (Windows latin 1)", "Western (MacOS roman)", "Western (ISO Latin 1)" or even UTF-8. As I learned LiveCode internal uses UTF-16 format. And I know about the unicode properties of LiveCode and the macToISO and ISOToMac functions. But I could not figure out where and how to use/set this to get text files correct written to and read from the files. It Locks to work if I use URLencode/decode as also arrayEncode/Decode but there are not human readable. And most important I need to import text data generated of oder programs where we not get access direct to databases and I need to send date to external programs like word,excel,pages,numbers,openOffice for the users. At the moment the best solution is to copy text from the text editors with " ask question"on the system I am working on. So no matter witch format the text has there always right formatted after import. But if take a copy of the stack to an other platform the 'umlauts' are mixed up and I need every time to reimport the data. As I am working in developing environment its OK but on real running it is not suitable data exchange, reading and writing must work properly. Is there any possibility to get the source encoding/charset of a text file? And select then the right way to import. Witch format I should I use to export that all platforms and mentioned programs canuse it correctly? How I can set/control the encoding/charset by writing to a file I hope some one can lead me on the right way thanks ueliweb From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Feb 13 04:09:31 2013 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:09:31 +0100 Subject: how far can you go with LC image editing? Message-ID: <004501ce09c9$d5dc3ca0$8194b5e0$@de> Hi, I wonder how far you can go with image editing with LC. I know, how to replace a color in an image or how to make a grayscale image from a color image. Currently I have a color image where I replace a given "background" color by white (like a blue box). This works pretty good, beside of the "hard" edge between the new white background and the rest of image. Does anybody has an idea or algorithm, how you could "soften" this edge, like you could do it in photoshop? I know there is image magic, but I have no experience with it and would like not to include another external (Win + Mac) Thanks for any comments Tiemo From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 05:24:02 2013 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:24:02 +0000 Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> <4438A182-6F12-45C7-825E-46E259A14582@gmail.com> Message-ID: Critcising the aesthetics of programmes produced by RAD tools has often been a way in which "professional programmers" have rubbished the useful (yet unpolished) tools that literally ran many businesses. The same thing happened with Lotus Notes. It was an environment that permitted thousands of non-professional programmers (who had the essential knowledge of the business processes) to produce and continuously refine the programmes they needed to make money. Out of the box, Lotus Notes managed to provide end-users with access to a whole range of features that are even now incredibly hard to find in an IT system. From the mid 1980s it had it's own NoSQL database structure; the databases could be encrypted; the databases could be replicated between clients/servers (or just between servers); one could work offline, or only with data on a server; there was field-level access control; it could be programmed using the @formula language (really, a list-processing language more like LISP than C) or a variant of VisualBasic. An application could be built in hours that would take a "professional programmer" months or years to build (in order to provide even a subset of the infrastructure a Notes network provided). Even today, I can't think of a programming environment that offers professional programmers the range of features that Notes provided to non-programming end-users. I worked in companies where out of sheer frustration with the IT department taking years to deliver a needed application, end-users found the online help in Notes, and taught themselves how to use the IDE, and how to program it, and built their own applications to solve their business needs. Lotus Notes was basically destroyed by professional programmers bitching about the applications looking ugly. No doubt there are all sorts of management issues with coding standards, security, maintainability, etc in such an environment. But if a business goes bankrupt because they are missing years of money-making opportunities when building something in Java or C# takes too long, then niceties like coding standards or the aesthetics of an application are almost totally irrelevant. I've seen case studies where Lotus Notes was viewed as in impediment to a business, because it would cost too much to re-engineer those applications that ran the business in order to make them buzzword-compliant (never mind that the business may well have folded if staff had waited years for a professional solution). In a business environment the prime concern has to be that the application serves the business, not that it conform to some set of non-essential concerns, such as aesthetics. Bernard On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > The key phrase here is (paraphrased): "We load 3000 to 4000 commands into > the spacecraft daily. It's vital that we check every single command to > ensure it will execute properly and without harming any part of the > spacecraft. This check is always done under a short deadline, and it used > to take three people two hours to perform. LoadChecker automates the whole > process for a greater degree of reliability, and completes the check in > just five seconds." > > So NASA trusts the safety of a satellite to a program written in LiveCode. > Pretty is one thing, the safety of satellites is another level. > > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Peter M. Brigham > wrote: > > > On Feb 12, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > > > > I don't care about the webpage. Halfway down there's a screenshot of > the > > > LiveCode UI command panel. That's the part I'm complaining about. Yes, > I > > do get > > > your point about this being an impressive system, but the part that > > shows what > > > LC looks like in action isn't likely to generate any positive interest. > > > > I might for those who come in thinking that LC is all about eye candy and > > can't do any serious lifting. It would probably take less than 2 days for > > any one of three dozen denizens of this list to re-tool their GUI to make > > it look spiffy (which can be pointed out to those who care). But NASA was > > undoubtedly trying to create a tool that works, and they have one, and > can > > update it easily as needed. There are lots of folks that we need to > attract > > to LC who have been dismissing it as a lightweight hobbyist's playground > > and who need to know its power. > > > > -- Peter > > > > Peter M. Brigham > > pmbrig at gmail.com > > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Wed Feb 13 05:28:18 2013 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:28:18 +0000 Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: References: , , <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com>, , , , , , , <4438A182-6F12-45C7-825E-46E259A14582@gmail.com>, , Message-ID: Well said...:-) Dixie > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:24:02 +0000 > From: bdrunrev at gmail.com > Critcising the aesthetics of programmes produced by RAD tools has often > been a way in which "professional programmers" have rubbished the useful > (yet unpolished) tools that literally ran many businesses. The same thing > happened with Lotus Notes. It was an environment that permitted thousands > of non-professional programmers (who had the essential knowledge of the > business processes) to produce and continuously refine the programmes they > needed to make money. > > Out of the box, Lotus Notes managed to provide end-users with access to a > whole range of features that are even now incredibly hard to find in an IT > system. From the mid 1980s it had it's own NoSQL database structure; the > databases could be encrypted; the databases could be replicated between > clients/servers (or just between servers); one could work offline, or only > with data on a server; there was field-level access control; it could be > programmed using the @formula language (really, a list-processing language > more like LISP than C) or a variant of VisualBasic. An application could > be built in hours that would take a "professional programmer" months or > years to build (in order to provide even a subset of the infrastructure a > Notes network provided). > > Even today, I can't think of a programming environment that offers > professional programmers the range of features that Notes provided to > non-programming end-users. I worked in companies where out of sheer > frustration with the IT department taking years to deliver a needed > application, end-users found the online help in Notes, and taught > themselves how to use the IDE, and how to program it, and built their own > applications to solve their business needs. > > Lotus Notes was basically destroyed by professional programmers bitching > about the applications looking ugly. No doubt there are all sorts of > management issues with coding standards, security, maintainability, etc in > such an environment. But if a business goes bankrupt because they are > missing years of money-making opportunities when building something in Java > or C# takes too long, then niceties like coding standards or the aesthetics > of an application are almost totally irrelevant. > > I've seen case studies where Lotus Notes was viewed as in impediment to a > business, because it would cost too much to re-engineer those applications > that ran the business in order to make them buzzword-compliant (never mind > that the business may well have folded if staff had waited years for a > professional solution). In a business environment the prime concern has to > be that the application serves the business, not that it conform to some > set of non-essential concerns, such as aesthetics. > > Bernard From peterwawood at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 05:42:39 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:42:39 +0800 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode Message-ID: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> I'm pretty sure that everybody on these lists (sorry for double posting) wants the LiveCode Open Source project to succeed. You've probably already pledged what you can (or are going to make your pledge soon). You'd possibly like to help but don't know how. Well I think there is a way everybody on his list could help. It won't cost anything, you don't have to start calling up people to persuade them to make a pledge. All it will take is a few minutes. I really believe that people who've never used Hypercard, Metacard, Revolution or LiveCode just don't understand how useful LiveCode can be and haven't got an idea what you can do with LiveCode. I feel that we need a way to show them the value of LiveCode. We need to spark their imagination so that they feel that LiveCode would be of use to them. I've started a very simple blog, 1001 things you can do with LiveCode. It's at http://livecode1001.blogspot.com . I've come up with the first use of LiveCode. Can you help me come up with the next 1000? All I need is a short paragraph describing something do with LiveCode and a screenshot. (I'll give full credit to all contributors unless you ask otherwise). It's a small thing but it may make a difference. Peter From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Wed Feb 13 06:40:30 2013 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:40:30 +0100 Subject: OT: Director 12 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E263FF8-49DE-42C5-A79B-A1B71FB41F56@m-r-d.de> Hi, this link was posted in the german directtor list and i think you all should read at least point 4. and 5. http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/director_supplemental_terms.html 4. PAYMENT FOR PAID IOS APPS. WITH RESPECT TO EACH PAID IOS APP, CUSTOMER SHALL PAY ADOBE 10% OF THE REVENUE PAID BY APPLE INC. AND / OR ITS AFFILIATE(S) TO CUSTOMER IN RELATION TO SUCH PAID IOS APP IN A QUARTER (?Adobe Revenue Share?). NOTWITHSTANDING THE FOREGOING, CUSTOMER SHALL NOT HAVE ANY OBLIGATION TO PAY ADOBE ANY SHARE OF AN INITIAL REVENUE OF USD 20,000 THAT IS PAID BY APPLE INC. AND / OR ITS AFFILIATE TO CUSTOMER FOR AN IOS APP. IN THE EVENT THE CUSTOMER CONVERTS AN IOS APP TO A PAID IOS APP, THE CONDITIONS APPLICABLE FOR PAID IOS APPS AS SET OUT IN THIS SUPPLEMENTAL TERMS AND CONDITIONS SHALL APPLY TO SUCH CONVERTED PAID IOS APP. IF THE CUSTOMER IS NOT AGREEABLE TO THE TERMS SET OUT IN THIS CLAUSE, CUSTOMER MAY NOT USE THE SOFTWARE. 5 is much longer, so read it online. In short: Adobe wants to be paid, if we sell an iOS app which was created with Director ! Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- Am 11.02.2013 um 15:41 schrieb Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel : > FYI: > > I know there are a few of us who are from the Director world... just saw > that version 12 was released today. > > SKI > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Feb 13 07:47:36 2013 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:47:36 +0100 Subject: AW: OT: Director 12 released In-Reply-To: <3E263FF8-49DE-42C5-A79B-A1B71FB41F56@m-r-d.de> References: <3E263FF8-49DE-42C5-A79B-A1B71FB41F56@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <007a01ce09e8$4d14bb30$e73e3190$@de> Wow! Always read the small printed (don't know the English saying) > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag > von Matthias Rebbe > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2013 12:41 > An: How to use LiveCode > Betreff: Re: OT: Director 12 released > > Hi, > > this link was posted in the german directtor list and i think you all > should read at least point 4. and 5. > > http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/director_supplemental_terms.html > > > 4. PAYMENT FOR PAID IOS APPS. WITH RESPECT TO EACH PAID IOS APP, > CUSTOMER SHALL PAY ADOBE 10% OF THE REVENUE PAID BY APPLE INC. AND / OR ITS > AFFILIATE(S) TO CUSTOMER IN RELATION TO SUCH PAID IOS APP IN A QUARTER > (?Adobe Revenue Share?). NOTWITHSTANDING THE FOREGOING, CUSTOMER SHALL NOT > HAVE ANY OBLIGATION TO PAY ADOBE ANY SHARE OF AN INITIAL REVENUE OF USD > 20,000 THAT IS PAID BY APPLE INC. AND / OR ITS AFFILIATE TO CUSTOMER FOR AN > IOS APP. IN THE EVENT THE CUSTOMER CONVERTS AN IOS APP TO A PAID IOS APP, > THE CONDITIONS APPLICABLE FOR PAID IOS APPS AS SET OUT IN THIS SUPPLEMENTAL > TERMS AND CONDITIONS SHALL APPLY TO SUCH CONVERTED PAID IOS APP. IF THE > CUSTOMER IS NOT AGREEABLE TO THE TERMS SET OUT IN THIS CLAUSE, CUSTOMER MAY > NOT USE THE SOFTWARE. > > 5 is much longer, so read it online. > > In short: Adobe wants to be paid, if we sell an iOS app which was created > with Director ! > > > Regards, > > Matthias > > -- > Matthias Rebbe > matthias (at) rebbe.tk > Tel +49.5741.310000 > Tel +49.160.5504462 > -- > > > > Am 11.02.2013 um 15:41 schrieb Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel > : > > > FYI: > > > > I know there are a few of us who are from the Director world... just > > saw that version 12 was released today. > > > > SKI > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From klaus at major.on-rev.com Wed Feb 13 07:51:53 2013 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:51:53 +0100 Subject: OT: Director 12 released In-Reply-To: <007a01ce09e8$4d14bb30$e73e3190$@de> References: <3E263FF8-49DE-42C5-A79B-A1B71FB41F56@m-r-d.de> <007a01ce09e8$4d14bb30$e73e3190$@de> Message-ID: Hi Tiemo, Am 13.02.2013 um 13:47 schrieb Tiemo Hollmann TB : > Wow! Always read the small printed (don't know the English saying) that's "the fine print" :-) >> Betreff: Re: OT: Director 12 released >> Hi, >> >> this link was posted in the german directtor list and i think you all >> should read at least point 4. and 5. >> http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/director_supplemental_terms.html >> >> 4. PAYMENT FOR PAID IOS APPS. WITH RESPECT TO EACH PAID IOS APP, >> ... >> NOT USE THE SOFTWARE. >> >> 5 is much longer, so read it online. >> In short: Adobe wants to be paid, if we sell an iOS app which was created >> with Director ! Not really surprised... ;-) >> Regards, >> >> Matthias Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Feb 13 08:08:44 2013 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:08:44 +0100 Subject: AW: OT: Director 12 released In-Reply-To: References: <3E263FF8-49DE-42C5-A79B-A1B71FB41F56@m-r-d.de> <007a01ce09e8$4d14bb30$e73e3190$@de> Message-ID: <007b01ce09eb$40cfae40$c26f0ac0$@de> Klaus, I knew I could count on you. Did you translated it with ditto? Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag > von Klaus on-rev > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2013 13:52 > An: How to use LiveCode > Betreff: Re: OT: Director 12 released > > Hi Tiemo, > > Am 13.02.2013 um 13:47 schrieb Tiemo Hollmann TB : > > > Wow! Always read the small printed (don't know the English saying) > > that's "the fine print" :-) > > >> Betreff: Re: OT: Director 12 released Hi, > >> > >> this link was posted in the german directtor list and i think you all > >> should read at least point 4. and 5. > >> http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/director_supplemental_terms.html > >> > >> 4. PAYMENT FOR PAID IOS APPS. WITH RESPECT TO EACH PAID IOS APP, > >> ... > >> NOT USE THE SOFTWARE. > >> > >> 5 is much longer, so read it online. > >> In short: Adobe wants to be paid, if we sell an iOS app which was > >> created with Director ! > > Not really surprised... ;-) > > >> Regards, > >> > >> Matthias > > Best > > Klaus > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From klaus at major.on-rev.com Wed Feb 13 08:10:14 2013 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:10:14 +0100 Subject: OT: Director 12 released In-Reply-To: <007b01ce09eb$40cfae40$c26f0ac0$@de> References: <3E263FF8-49DE-42C5-A79B-A1B71FB41F56@m-r-d.de> <007a01ce09e8$4d14bb30$e73e3190$@de> <007b01ce09eb$40cfae40$c26f0ac0$@de> Message-ID: <4535A740-A598-4521-8050-C6E0DE057E25@major.on-rev.com> Hi Tiemo, Am 13.02.2013 um 14:08 schrieb "Tiemo Hollmann TB" : > Klaus, > I knew I could count on you. Did you translated it with ditto? EX-ACTLY! :-D > Tiemo > >> ... >> Hi Tiemo, >> Am 13.02.2013 um 13:47 schrieb Tiemo Hollmann TB : >>> Wow! Always read the small printed (don't know the English saying) >> that's "the fine print" :-) >> >>>> Betreff: Re: OT: Director 12 released Hi, >>>> >>>> this link was posted in the german directtor list and i think you all >>>> should read at least point 4. and 5. >>>> http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/director_supplemental_terms.html >>>> >>>> 4. PAYMENT FOR PAID IOS APPS. WITH RESPECT TO EACH PAID IOS APP, >>>> ... >>>> NOT USE THE SOFTWARE. >>>> >>>> 5 is much longer, so read it online. >>>> In short: Adobe wants to be paid, if we sell an iOS app which was >>>> created with Director ! >> >> Not really surprised... ;-) Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From benr_mc at cogapp.com Wed Feb 13 08:33:10 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:33:10 +0000 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> References: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <511B9616.4060705@cogapp.com> Peter, I think it's a great idea, and will send you a contribution off-list. Thank you for taking this initiative. The next question remains how we can publicise and spread this beyond our community. Ben On 13/02/2013 10:42, Peter W A Wood wrote: > I'm pretty sure that everybody on these lists (sorry for double posting) wants the LiveCode Open Source project to succeed. You've probably already pledged what you can (or are going to make your pledge soon). You'd possibly like to help but don't know how. > > Well I think there is a way everybody on his list could help. It won't cost anything, you don't have to start calling up people to persuade them to make a pledge. All it will take is a few minutes. > > I really believe that people who've never used Hypercard, Metacard, Revolution or LiveCode just don't understand how useful LiveCode can be and haven't got an idea what you can do with LiveCode. I feel that we need a way to show them the value of LiveCode. We need to spark their imagination so that they feel that LiveCode would be of use to them. > > I've started a very simple blog, 1001 things you can do with LiveCode. It's at http://livecode1001.blogspot.com . > > I've come up with the first use of LiveCode. Can you help me come up with the next 1000? > > All I need is a short paragraph describing something do with LiveCode and a screenshot. (I'll give full credit to all contributors unless you ask otherwise). > > It's a small thing but it may make a difference. > > Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 13 08:44:17 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:44:17 -0500 Subject: OT: Director 12 released In-Reply-To: <3E263FF8-49DE-42C5-A79B-A1B71FB41F56@m-r-d.de> References: <3E263FF8-49DE-42C5-A79B-A1B71FB41F56@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: It's pretty entertaining to watch the heated debates, in the public email lists and in the private Director beta. To take advantage of the timing I posted this to the Director email list just now: "There is some overlap between what Director is used for and what LiveCode is used for, and if you're a fan of verbose Lingo you'll find the language familiar too. So, just a reminder that if this Kickstarter project succeeds: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode you will have a tool that can publish to Mac, Windows, Linux, Server, iOS, and Android, for free, and with no royalty payments." From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 13 08:45:09 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:45:09 -0500 Subject: OT: Director 12 released In-Reply-To: References: <3E263FF8-49DE-42C5-A79B-A1B71FB41F56@m-r-d.de> <007a01ce09e8$4d14bb30$e73e3190$@de> Message-ID: <3B377674-FAC0-47DE-98A7-C34131D9C7FD@verizon.net> Either expression works. On Feb 13, 2013, at 7:51 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote: >> Wow! Always read the small printed (don't know the English saying) > > that's "the fine print" :-) From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 08:58:43 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:58:43 +0200 Subject: OT: Director 12 released In-Reply-To: <3E263FF8-49DE-42C5-A79B-A1B71FB41F56@m-r-d.de> References: <3E263FF8-49DE-42C5-A79B-A1B71FB41F56@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <511B9C13.3050804@gmail.com> On 02/13/2013 01:40 PM, Matthias Rebbe wrote: > Hi, > > this link was posted in the german directtor list and i think you all should read at least point 4. and 5. > > http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/director_supplemental_terms.html > > > 4. PAYMENT FOR PAID IOS APPS. WITH RESPECT TO EACH PAID IOS APP, CUSTOMER SHALL PAY ADOBE 10% OF THE REVENUE PAID BY APPLE INC. AND / OR ITS AFFILIATE(S) TO CUSTOMER IN RELATION TO SUCH PAID IOS APP IN A QUARTER (?Adobe Revenue Share?). NOTWITHSTANDING THE FOREGOING, CUSTOMER SHALL NOT HAVE ANY OBLIGATION TO PAY ADOBE ANY SHARE OF AN INITIAL REVENUE OF USD 20,000 THAT IS PAID BY APPLE INC. AND / OR ITS AFFILIATE TO CUSTOMER FOR AN IOS APP. IN THE EVENT THE CUSTOMER CONVERTS AN IOS APP TO A PAID IOS APP, THE CONDITIONS APPLICABLE FOR PAID IOS APPS AS SET OUT IN THIS SUPPLEMENTAL TERMS AND CONDITIONS SHALL APPLY TO SUCH CONVERTED PAID IOS APP. IF THE CUSTOMER IS NOT AGREEABLE TO THE TERMS SET OUT IN THIS CLAUSE, CUSTOMER MAY NOT USE THE SOFTWARE. > > 5 is much longer, so read it online. > > In short: Adobe wants to be paid, if we sell an iOS app which was created with Director ! Cheeky b*gg*rs! Perhaps the fact that this is NOT the case with the commercial variant of Livecode should be more widely advertised. I do think RunRev keep a lot of their light under bushels. Richmond. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Feb 13 09:09:08 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 06:09:08 -0800 Subject: OT: Director 12 released In-Reply-To: <3E263FF8-49DE-42C5-A79B-A1B71FB41F56@m-r-d.de> References: <3E263FF8-49DE-42C5-A79B-A1B71FB41F56@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <511B9E84.9000601@fourthworld.com> Matthias Rebbe wrote: > In short: Adobe wants to be paid, if we sell an iOS app which was > created with Director ! They weren't paid when licensees gave them $999? This is the best gift ever - for every company that competes with Adobe. :) When we consider this in light of the underhanded way they EOL'd GoLive and LiveMotion, one can easily imagine Adobe has a special team working full-time to think up novel ways to alienate their most loyal customers. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From bonnmike at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 09:21:12 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 07:21:12 -0700 Subject: how far can you go with LC image editing? In-Reply-To: <004501ce09c9$d5dc3ca0$8194b5e0$@de> References: <004501ce09c9$d5dc3ca0$8194b5e0$@de> Message-ID: You might look at this thread... http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9490&hilit=image+editor&start=75the "photo room" stack has some good stuff. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder how far you can go with image editing with LC. I know, how to > replace a color in an image or how to make a grayscale image from a color > image. Currently I have a color image where I replace a given "background" > color by white (like a blue box). This works pretty good, beside of the > "hard" edge between the new white background and the rest of image. Does > anybody has an idea or algorithm, how you could "soften" this edge, like > you > could do it in photoshop? > > I know there is image magic, but I have no experience with it and would > like > not to include another external (Win + Mac) > > Thanks for any comments > > Tiemo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Feb 13 09:43:22 2013 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:43:22 +0100 Subject: AW: how far can you go with LC image editing? In-Reply-To: References: <004501ce09c9$d5dc3ca0$8194b5e0$@de> Message-ID: <008501ce09f8$794be740$6be3b5c0$@de> Thanks for the hint Mike Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag > von Mike Bonner > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2013 15:21 > An: How to use LiveCode > Betreff: Re: how far can you go with LC image editing? > > You might look at this thread... > http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9490&hilit=image+editor&start > =75the > "photo room" stack has some good stuff. > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I wonder how far you can go with image editing with LC. I know, how to > > replace a color in an image or how to make a grayscale image from a > > color image. Currently I have a color image where I replace a given > "background" > > color by white (like a blue box). This works pretty good, beside of > > the "hard" edge between the new white background and the rest of > > image. Does anybody has an idea or algorithm, how you could "soften" > > this edge, like you could do it in photoshop? > > > > I know there is image magic, but I have no experience with it and > > would like not to include another external (Win + Mac) > > > > Thanks for any comments > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From kevin at runrev.com Wed Feb 13 10:02:56 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:02:56 +0000 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is a great idea. A very different sort of platform showcase and not on our website. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 13/02/2013 10:42, "Peter W A Wood" wrote: >I'm pretty sure that everybody on these lists (sorry for double posting) >wants the LiveCode Open Source project to succeed. You've probably >already pledged what you can (or are going to make your pledge soon). >You'd possibly like to help but don't know how. > >Well I think there is a way everybody on his list could help. It won't >cost anything, you don't have to start calling up people to persuade them >to make a pledge. All it will take is a few minutes. > >I really believe that people who've never used Hypercard, Metacard, >Revolution or LiveCode just don't understand how useful LiveCode can be >and haven't got an idea what you can do with LiveCode. I feel that we >need a way to show them the value of LiveCode. We need to spark their >imagination so that they feel that LiveCode would be of use to them. > >I've started a very simple blog, 1001 things you can do with LiveCode. >It's at http://livecode1001.blogspot.com . > >I've come up with the first use of LiveCode. Can you help me come up with >the next 1000? > >All I need is a short paragraph describing something do with LiveCode and >a screenshot. (I'll give full credit to all contributors unless you ask >otherwise). > >It's a small thing but it may make a difference. > >Peter > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From benr_mc at cogapp.com Wed Feb 13 10:18:42 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:18:42 +0000 Subject: OT: Director 12 released In-Reply-To: References: <3E263FF8-49DE-42C5-A79B-A1B71FB41F56@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <511BAED2.2040700@cogapp.com> On 13/02/2013 13:44, Colin Holgate wrote: > ...you will have a tool that can publish to Mac, Windows, Linux, Server, iOS, and Android, for free, and with no royalty payments." err... I think that's narrowly accurate, but perhaps a shade misleading. If you wanted to sell your app (on any platform) - you'd have to buy a commercial license - so in the context where Adobe would charge royalties, LiveCode won't be free. "... for free, or at least with no royalty payments" might be closer. But hey, if your message brings in a few more people pledging, I don't care! Ben From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 13 10:35:37 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:35:37 -0500 Subject: OT: Director 12 released In-Reply-To: <511BAED2.2040700@cogapp.com> References: <3E263FF8-49DE-42C5-A79B-A1B71FB41F56@m-r-d.de> <511BAED2.2040700@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <416FED14-A422-47FF-BB49-6337F35946C5@verizon.net> I did follow up with a correction about the Apple stores, and how you would have to be current with the ?319 for that year. But looking at the FAQ table, only closed source and Apple apps need the commercial license. Apps that are monetized but open source come under the free license. On Feb 13, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > > >err... I think that's narrowly accurate, but perhaps a shade misleading. If you wanted to sell your app (on any platform) From larry at u12multimedia.com Wed Feb 13 10:57:38 2013 From: larry at u12multimedia.com (Larry Weaver) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:57:38 -0500 Subject: mobilePickPhoto and jellybean bug Message-ID: <511BB7F2.2080804@u12multimedia.com> Heya Gang, I'm hoping that we can get this fix included in the current 5.5.3 build. I was in contact with Support and one of the guys suggested adding a comment to the existing bug report requesting this fix for 5.5.3 instead of the targeted 6.0. I would encourage any other Android developers that need this fix to contact support in order to add to the request. Additionally, has anyone found a viable work-around for this issue? I have an in house app that is nearing completion and this is a huge issue since most of the folks that will use it are on phones and tablets with jellybean. Thanks! Laurence From rjb at robelko.com Wed Feb 13 12:25:38 2013 From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:25:38 +0100 Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> <4438A182-6F12-45C7-825E-46E259A14582@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 13.02.2013 at 10:24 Uhr +0000 Bernard Devlin apparently wrote: >Critcising the aesthetics of programmes produced by RAD tools has often >been a way in which "professional programmers" have rubbished the useful >(yet unpolished) tools that literally ran many businesses. The same thing >happened with Lotus Notes. It was an environment that permitted thousands >of non-professional programmers (who had the essential knowledge of the >business processes) to produce and continuously refine the programmes they >needed to make money. > Not only professional programmers. Ugliness of many HyperCard-based programs supposedly contributed to HyperCard's demise. Steve Jobs had too high quality standards. r From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 13 13:31:29 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> <4438A182-6F12-45C7-825E-46E259A14582@gmail.com> Message-ID: Bernard- Thank you. Yes, you're making my point quite well, but I can't tell whether that was the intention or whether you're trying to argue against it. For sheer functionality and showcasing the power of LiveCode, it's hard to beat the Landsat application. But I'd argue that displaying screenshots of that program in action doesn't do anything for LiveCode's reputation among folks who aren't already in the community. People are going to look at it and walk away without looking deeper, and that's counterproductive if you're trying to raise awareness of the product. Lotus Notes is a good example. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 14:35:20 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 06:35:20 +1100 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> References: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1424A94F-99AB-412A-9B73-C443CA313715@sweattechnologies.com> Actually there's a lot more than 845 people on these lists.... On 13/02/2013, at 9:42 PM, Peter W A Wood wrote: > I'm pretty sure that everybody on these lists (sorry for double posting) wants the LiveCode Open Source project to succeed. You've probably already pledged what you can (or are going to make your pledge soon). You'd possibly like to help but don't know how. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From heather at runrev.com Wed Feb 13 14:42:27 2013 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:42:27 +0000 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: <1424A94F-99AB-412A-9B73-C443CA313715@sweattechnologies.com> References: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> <1424A94F-99AB-412A-9B73-C443CA313715@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Indeed, Monte. If you are on this list and you want the project to succeed, time to open the wallet. Don't rely on Tom doing it. Or Mark or Monte or Peter ;) Every little helps. Regards, Heather On 13 Feb 2013, at 19:35, Monte Goulding wrote: > Actually there's a lot more than 845 people on these lists.... > > On 13/02/2013, at 9:42 PM, Peter W A Wood wrote: > >> I'm pretty sure that everybody on these lists (sorry for double posting) wants the LiveCode Open Source project to succeed. You've probably already pledged what you can (or are going to make your pledge soon). You'd possibly like to help but don't know how. > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.runrev.com/ Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 14:56:41 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 06:56:41 +1100 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: References: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> <1424A94F-99AB-412A-9B73-C443CA313715@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: I did do it... then bumped it up again... if everyone here did what I did then we would meet all the stretch goals + I would get to write my promised CoreBluetooth external for selling out of ?640. Plus I have decided that if it goes open source I will (attempt) to work out why sockets aren't supported on mobile and fix it if possible rather than doing a separate external even though we haven't met that funding goal either. I think that would be an appropriate first contribution from me if I can get my head around the engine, however, I can't do it if LiveCode doesn't go open source. I'm sure there's many others that are keen to contribute and as the saying goes "many hands make light work". On 14/02/2013, at 6:42 AM, Heather Laine wrote: > If you are on this list and you want the project to succeed, time to open the wallet. Don't rely on Tom doing it. Or Mark or Monte or Peter ;) -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 15:38:34 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:38:34 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? Message-ID: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> One of the things I thought might get people excited about LiveCode going open source is a thread about what different people are keen to contribute to the engine. There isn't a heap of low level language developers using LiveCode but there are enough that I think we could come up with a decent list for the engine. But also the IDE will be GPL too so what do you want to contribute there. None of us knows the feasibility of these things right now so consider it a pre-feasabilty hit list: Planned Open Source Contributions - Mobile sockets - engine (Monte) - Nested behaviors so you can set the behavior of a behavior (Monte) - Getting the long id of an icon/pattern given the context of the object it's applied to (Monte) - VCS integration into the IDE most likely focussed on git & mercurial (Monte) Please respond with the whole list so we can keep track. You can add your name to someone else's thing if you want to help them. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From sc at sahores-conseil.com Wed Feb 13 15:48:03 2013 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:48:03 +0100 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: References: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> <1424A94F-99AB-412A-9B73-C443CA313715@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Less than 70 peoples to pledge at least for ? 640 ? Seems reasonably impossible, is't ? Do we all needs to act now to encourage confident new pledges along the two for coming weeks ? on mouseDown if it seems so to c = 1 to 250/300 more pledgers then LC OS will target its best rails... ;-) end mouseDown Warm Regards, Pierre Le 13 f?vr. 2013 ? 20:42, Heather Laine a ?crit : > Indeed, Monte. > > If you are on this list and you want the project to succeed, time to open the wallet. Don't rely on Tom doing it. Or Mark or Monte or Peter ;) > > Every little helps. > > Regards, > > Heather > > On 13 Feb 2013, at 19:35, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> Actually there's a lot more than 845 people on these lists.... >> >> On 13/02/2013, at 9:42 PM, Peter W A Wood wrote: >> >>> I'm pretty sure that everybody on these lists (sorry for double posting) wants the LiveCode Open Source project to succeed. You've probably already pledged what you can (or are going to make your pledge soon). You'd possibly like to help but don't know how. >> >> -- >> Monte Goulding >> >> M E R Goulding - software development services >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > Heather Laine > Customer Services Manager > http://www.runrev.com/ > Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 15:53:17 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 07:53:17 +1100 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: References: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> <1424A94F-99AB-412A-9B73-C443CA313715@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <4B1B1678-436B-4F94-9F1D-D46A3650C71C@sweattechnologies.com> On 14/02/2013, at 7:48 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > Less than 70 peoples to pledge at least for ? 640 ? Seems reasonably impossible, is't ? Do we all needs to act now to encourage confident new pledges along the two for coming weeks ? Yes... I don't personally understand why the numbers at that level are so low given what a good deal it is even if it were unrelated to going open source and all the benefits that will bring. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 16:26:01 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:26:01 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> Planned Open Source Contributions ENGINE - Mobile sockets - engine (Monte) - Nested behaviors so you can set the behavior of a behavior (Monte) - Getting the long id of an icon/pattern given the context of the object it's applied to (Monte) IDE - VCS integration into the IDE most likely focussed on git & mercurial (Monte) - Work out why the standalone settings won't let you build for mobile and desktop with one stack and fix (Monte) - Fix the bug in the docs stack where you can't type in the search field (Monte) - Fix the script library support in the IDE user extensions and standalone builder (Monte) Please respond with the whole list so we can keep track. You can add your name to someone else's thing if you want to help them. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Wed Feb 13 16:27:14 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:27:14 -0500 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: I can think of a pile of things: 1) Script editor (for those of us keeping score, there are at least three other script editors for LC, so hopefully Jerry will be involved). All of them improve various things in LC. Here are some things I think should be done: a) Version Control b) Code Blocks c) Custom color schemes d) Code Collapse e) More breakpoint modes 2) Puny but so, so annoying: built-in method to switch between the run and edit modes - remember command-tab? I know that's not an option but... 3) Parser improvement and compiler directives - I LOVE the dynamic typing and the like - compilers should adapt to us, not the other way around, BUT sometimes, there are typos and it would be nice to be able to find them more easily. Sometimes some datatype and scope enforcement would be good, too - if nothing else we should be able to do reporting to see what's going on. 4) NATIVE CONTROLS ON MOBILE and an easier way to do cross-platform mobile development 5) A language committee. There are things in the language that should be addressed, and there are going to be times when the language needs to be expanded. 6) Better properties palettes and editors. 7) Built-in externals store - I need something, it should be trivial to find it and buy it. I really don't care if some add-on costs me more money. That's fine. I would like it to be a lot simpler to find it. 8) More bootstrapping - If the IDE is all written in LC, awesome - it makes perfect sense for a tool to be written in the language that the developers that use the tool use. More is better. The kernel, for lack of a better word, can be in something lower-level, but the things we use every day would be way better if they were all open and we as a group could make them better. That's my first list of things I would want to work on. It might also go without saying, but some sort of list like that as a base promise would be far more interesting to me than the diagrams I've seen of re-engineering the code as I've seen it so far. Perhaps I don't understand the underlying architecture, or, maybe it hasn't been laid out for all of us well enough, yet. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > One of the things I thought might get people excited about LiveCode going > open source is a thread about what different people are keen to contribute > to the engine. There isn't a heap of low level language developers using > LiveCode but there are enough that I think we could come up with a decent > list for the engine. But also the IDE will be GPL too so what do you want > to contribute there. None of us knows the feasibility of these things right > now so consider it a pre-feasabilty hit list: > > Planned Open Source Contributions > - Mobile sockets - engine (Monte) > - Nested behaviors so you can set the behavior of a behavior (Monte) > - Getting the long id of an icon/pattern given the context of the object > it's applied to (Monte) > - VCS integration into the IDE most likely focussed on git & mercurial > (Monte) > > Please respond with the whole list so we can keep track. You can add your > name to someone else's thing if you want to help them. > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 13 16:36:50 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: OT: Rhythm & Hues bites the dust Message-ID: Victim of "Hollywood Accounting"... -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 16:38:09 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:38:09 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <63507FE0-C3F4-40AB-9384-E6C9AD6E6D3F@sweattechnologies.com> Hi Mike The idea is to put your name against things you are personally going to look into. That way we get a real picture of what might happen once we go open source. Everyone has a long wish list ;-) Do you want to go through the list and pull out anything you will personally contribute and add it to my list? Try and keep the formatting of my second post ENGINE/IDE so it's easy to read. Cheers Monte On 14/02/2013, at 8:27 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > I can think of a pile of things: > 1) Script editor (for those of us keeping score, there are at least three > other script editors for LC, so hopefully Jerry will be involved). All of > them improve various things in LC. Here are some things I think should be > done: > a) Version Control > b) Code Blocks > c) Custom color schemes > d) Code Collapse > e) More breakpoint modes > 2) Puny but so, so annoying: built-in method to switch between the run and > edit modes - remember command-tab? I know that's not an option but... > 3) Parser improvement and compiler directives - I LOVE the dynamic typing > and the like - compilers should adapt to us, not the other way around, BUT > sometimes, there are typos and it would be nice to be able to find them > more easily. Sometimes some datatype and scope enforcement would be good, > too - if nothing else we should be able to do reporting to see what's going > on. > 4) NATIVE CONTROLS ON MOBILE and an easier way to do cross-platform mobile > development > 5) A language committee. There are things in the language that should be > addressed, and there are going to be times when the language needs to be > expanded. > 6) Better properties palettes and editors. > 7) Built-in externals store - I need something, it should be trivial to > find it and buy it. I really don't care if some add-on costs me more > money. That's fine. I would like it to be a lot simpler to find it. > 8) More bootstrapping - If the IDE is all written in LC, awesome - it makes > perfect sense for a tool to be written in the language that the developers > that use the tool use. More is better. The kernel, for lack of a better > word, can be in something lower-level, but the things we use every day > would be way better if they were all open and we as a group could make them > better. > > That's my first list of things I would want to work on. > > It might also go without saying, but some sort of list like that as a base > promise would be far more interesting to me than the diagrams I've seen of > re-engineering the code as I've seen it so far. Perhaps I don't understand > the underlying architecture, or, maybe it hasn't been laid out for all of > us well enough, yet. > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Monte Goulding > wrote: > >> One of the things I thought might get people excited about LiveCode going >> open source is a thread about what different people are keen to contribute >> to the engine. There isn't a heap of low level language developers using >> LiveCode but there are enough that I think we could come up with a decent >> list for the engine. But also the IDE will be GPL too so what do you want >> to contribute there. None of us knows the feasibility of these things right >> now so consider it a pre-feasabilty hit list: >> >> Planned Open Source Contributions >> - Mobile sockets - engine (Monte) >> - Nested behaviors so you can set the behavior of a behavior (Monte) >> - Getting the long id of an icon/pattern given the context of the object >> it's applied to (Monte) >> - VCS integration into the IDE most likely focussed on git & mercurial >> (Monte) >> >> Please respond with the whole list so we can keep track. You can add your >> name to someone else's thing if you want to help them. >> >> -- >> Monte Goulding >> >> M E R Goulding - software development services >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From devin_asay at byu.edu Wed Feb 13 16:45:12 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:45:12 +0000 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFFCA83@Peas2.byu.local> On Feb 13, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > 2) Puny but so, so annoying: built-in method to switch between the run and > edit modes - remember command-tab? I know that's not an option but? Take it off the list! It's still there, but now it's command + option + tab. Also command + 9 for run mode and command + 0 from edit mode. Devin Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Wed Feb 13 16:51:14 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:51:14 -0500 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFFCA83@Peas2.byu.local> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFFCA83@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: Devin, I get that, but if you can't do it with two-fingers of the left hand if you're a righty or two of the righty (so you don't have to let go of a mouse) then it's not good enough. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Devin Asay wrote: > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > > > 2) Puny but so, so annoying: built-in method to switch between the run > and > > edit modes - remember command-tab? I know that's not an option but? > > Take it off the list! It's still there, but now it's command + option + > tab. Also command + 9 for run mode and command + 0 from edit mode. > > Devin > > Devin Asay > Office of Digital Humanities > Brigham Young University > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Wed Feb 13 16:53:10 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:53:10 -0500 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Monte, The problem I have is that even though I'm a regular LC user, I don't know what's where and what the various elements are in because I haven't tried to dive in to look at it. So without having a good understanding of what's going on, it's hard to put my name on any of those things AND we also need to know what Kevin is willing to relinquish control of without the project getting forked first. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Planned Open Source Contributions > > ENGINE > - Mobile sockets - engine (Monte) > - Nested behaviors so you can set the behavior of a behavior (Monte) > - Getting the long id of an icon/pattern given the context of the object > it's applied to (Monte) > > IDE > - VCS integration into the IDE most likely focussed on git & mercurial > (Monte) > - Work out why the standalone settings won't let you build for mobile and > desktop with one stack and fix (Monte) > - Fix the bug in the docs stack where you can't type in the search field > (Monte) > - Fix the script library support in the IDE user extensions and standalone > builder (Monte) > > Please respond with the whole list so we can keep track. You can add your > name to someone else's thing if you want to help them. > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Wed Feb 13 16:54:44 2013 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:54:44 +0100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <21F002E5-4A46-44C3-ABB4-DDC3DEB8DCB8@mines-paristech.fr> ENGINE - bug fix/request (bug 2783) I wish typed variables, arrays of variables could be declared and manipulated as such. - update the externals toolkit and switch to 64 bit, modern frameworks for each platform. Please switch to cocoa and objective-C as far as the Mac is concerned - implement a way to enrich the "natural" syntax of livecode. My impression, when reading the release notes, is that all the improvements to the language are done by adding properties. Set, Get. Reminds me of peek and poke in basic. EVERYTHING cocoa, 64 bits for LiveCode and the runtimes on the Mac. Forget PPC. And that's all for today. Best regards Fran?ois Le 13 f?vr. 2013 ? 22:26, Monte Goulding a ?crit : > Planned Open Source Contributions > > ENGINE > - Mobile sockets - engine (Monte) > - Nested behaviors so you can set the behavior of a behavior (Monte) > - Getting the long id of an icon/pattern given the context of the object it's applied to (Monte) > > IDE > - VCS integration into the IDE most likely focussed on git & mercurial (Monte) > - Work out why the standalone settings won't let you build for mobile and desktop with one stack and fix (Monte) > - Fix the bug in the docs stack where you can't type in the search field (Monte) > - Fix the script library support in the IDE user extensions and standalone builder (Monte) > > Please respond with the whole list so we can keep track. You can add your name to someone else's thing if you want to help them. > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 16:59:33 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:59:33 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFFCA83@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: What about adding Cmd+` ? On 14/02/2013, at 8:51 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > I get that, but if you can't do it with two-fingers of the left hand if > you're a righty or two of the righty (so you don't have to let go of a > mouse) then it's not good enough. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Wed Feb 13 16:56:58 2013 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:56:58 +0100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Of course, my post was about my wishes. I am not enough of a programmer to implement that by myself. Pardon me, Monte, if I did not adequately reply to your post. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 17:05:28 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:05:28 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <6FAA74BD-45BC-4595-9466-7CB6913BE7BC@sweattechnologies.com> On 14/02/2013, at 8:53 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > The problem I have is that even though I'm a regular LC user, I don't know > what's where and what the various elements are in because I haven't tried > to dive in to look at it. So without having a good understanding of what's > going on, it's hard to put my name on any of those things AND we also need > to know what Kevin is willing to relinquish control of without the project > getting forked first. Well the way open source projects usually work on GitHub/BitBucket is you fork it, make a change and then send a pull request to the repo you forked from. It's then up to the owner of the repo you sent the pull request to merge or not. It's up to them. I'm not asking anyone to make a definite commitment to doing something. Just say what you are prepared to look at, try and work out and resolve or add. Then if RunRev want's it then they can accept it. Interesting situation with the IDE is it may be possible to fork it alone and still use it for commercial development... not positive on that but maybe??? Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 13 17:01:14 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:01:14 -0500 Subject: Trouble developing external Message-ID: <96E22B61-6DDF-41D2-BDF4-74C54A8DB952@mac.com> Dear all, I have a project that I need to get an external created for and have run into a snag. The guy that is writing it for me is following the tutorial online and keeps getting errors. He thinks it is because the tutorial is for Version 2.7 and not 5.5 but I don't know enough to give him an answer. Here is a clip from my dev guy: > We have managed to get our hands on a VC++ demo application which is able to > trap Keyboard events even when the form is not in focus. It is an MFC > Application which uses this functionality and it works pretty well. > > After this, we decided to start creating a Hello World External Application > to get an idea as to how we can use the code from this VC++ application as > an external. We followed the article at > http://www.runrev.com/developers/lessons-and-tutorials/tutorials/advanced-externals-part-1/ > but we could not manage to get it to work and it kept on > saying "error in function handler" when we click on the button. We believe > that something has changed in the LiveCode IDE since this tutorial was > written; probably the tutorial was written for LiveCode 2.7 and now we have > LiveCode 5.5. So, we are kind of stuck here and are unable to move forward. Any help or suggestions will be very very appreciated. Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Wed Feb 13 17:06:30 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:06:30 -0500 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <6FAA74BD-45BC-4595-9466-7CB6913BE7BC@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> <6FAA74BD-45BC-4595-9466-7CB6913BE7BC@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: I get how it works, but if you look at a couple of the things I want to do, they require RR to support them or it's just me and my minions and our togas. And Cmd-` is a good way to fix it for righties. I also see that Fran?ois and I have several interests in common. I like the way LibreOffice has their roadmap set up - instead of it being a free-for-all, they have laid out various to-dos and what they think is the degree of difficulty. Then noobs can come in, contribute, increase their credibility and their knowledge, and move on up in the horde. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 14/02/2013, at 8:53 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > > > The problem I have is that even though I'm a regular LC user, I don't > know > > what's where and what the various elements are in because I haven't tried > > to dive in to look at it. So without having a good understanding of > what's > > going on, it's hard to put my name on any of those things AND we also > need > > to know what Kevin is willing to relinquish control of without the > project > > getting forked first. > > Well the way open source projects usually work on GitHub/BitBucket is you > fork it, make a change and then send a pull request to the repo you forked > from. It's then up to the owner of the repo you sent the pull request to > merge or not. It's up to them. I'm not asking anyone to make a definite > commitment to doing something. Just say what you are prepared to look at, > try and work out and resolve or add. Then if RunRev want's it then they can > accept it. Interesting situation with the IDE is it may be possible to fork > it alone and still use it for commercial development... not positive on > that but maybe??? > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 17:11:57 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:11:57 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <21F002E5-4A46-44C3-ABB4-DDC3DEB8DCB8@mines-paristech.fr> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> <21F002E5-4A46-44C3-ABB4-DDC3DEB8DCB8@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <6179F1AA-0B8E-4625-ADD7-0285172A850C@sweattechnologies.com> On 14/02/2013, at 8:54 AM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > ENGINE > - bug fix/request (bug 2783) I wish typed variables, arrays of variables could be declared and manipulated as such. Yes that would be an interesting addition to the language > - update the externals toolkit and switch to 64 bit, modern frameworks for each platform. Please switch to cocoa and objective-C as far as the Mac is concerned > - implement a way to enrich the "natural" syntax of livecode. My impression, when reading the release notes, is that all the improvements to the language are done by adding properties. Set, Get. Reminds me of peek and poke in basic. I'm not sure about the 64 bit but the rest of the above is part of the base kickstarter campaign. There will be a whole new extensions api with many more hooks. > EVERYTHING > cocoa, 64 bits for LiveCode and the runtimes on the Mac. Forget PPC. I don't think Cocoa is in the base kickstarter campaign. It's a stretch goal but it enabled I believe by the platform API. Matk's blog posts on this stuff is a great read. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From shawnlivecode at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 17:08:58 2013 From: shawnlivecode at gmail.com (Shawn Blc) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:08:58 -0600 Subject: Trouble developing external In-Reply-To: <96E22B61-6DDF-41D2-BDF4-74C54A8DB952@mac.com> References: <96E22B61-6DDF-41D2-BDF4-74C54A8DB952@mac.com> Message-ID: If he'd pass the code onto you, I think in an afternoon you could have his issues solved. Just my guesstimation though ;) On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Dear all, > > I have a project that I need to get an external created for and have run > into a snag. The guy that is writing it for me is following the tutorial > online and keeps getting errors. He thinks it is because the tutorial is > for Version 2.7 and not 5.5 but I don't know enough to give him an answer. > > Here is a clip from my dev guy: > > > We have managed to get our hands on a VC++ demo application which is > able to > > trap Keyboard events even when the form is not in focus. It is an MFC > > Application which uses this functionality and it works pretty well. > > > > After this, we decided to start creating a Hello World External > Application > > to get an idea as to how we can use the code from this VC++ application > as > > an external. We followed the article at > > > http://www.runrev.com/developers/lessons-and-tutorials/tutorials/advanced-externals-part-1/ > > but we could not manage to get it to work and it kept on > > saying "error in function handler" when we click on the button. We > believe > > that something has changed in the LiveCode IDE since this tutorial was > > written; probably the tutorial was written for LiveCode 2.7 and now we > have > > LiveCode 5.5. So, we are kind of stuck here and are unable to move > forward. > > Any help or suggestions will be very very appreciated. > > Tom > > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 17:18:14 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:18:14 +1100 Subject: Trouble developing external In-Reply-To: <96E22B61-6DDF-41D2-BDF4-74C54A8DB952@mac.com> References: <96E22B61-6DDF-41D2-BDF4-74C54A8DB952@mac.com> Message-ID: <0A3A0ADD-EF31-4A3A-AF72-C1E1922FD161@sweattechnologies.com> Lol... nothing has changed in the externals sdk for a looooooong time. On 14/02/2013, at 9:01 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Dear all, > > I have a project that I need to get an external created for and have run into a snag. The guy that is writing it for me is following the tutorial online and keeps getting errors. He thinks it is because the tutorial is for Version 2.7 and not 5.5 but I don't know enough to give him an answer. > > Here is a clip from my dev guy: > >> We have managed to get our hands on a VC++ demo application which is able to >> trap Keyboard events even when the form is not in focus. It is an MFC >> Application which uses this functionality and it works pretty well. >> >> After this, we decided to start creating a Hello World External Application >> to get an idea as to how we can use the code from this VC++ application as >> an external. We followed the article at >> http://www.runrev.com/developers/lessons-and-tutorials/tutorials/advanced-externals-part-1/ >> but we could not manage to get it to work and it kept on >> saying "error in function handler" when we click on the button. We believe >> that something has changed in the LiveCode IDE since this tutorial was >> written; probably the tutorial was written for LiveCode 2.7 and now we have >> LiveCode 5.5. So, we are kind of stuck here and are unable to move forward. > > Any help or suggestions will be very very appreciated. > > Tom > > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 17:36:22 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:36:22 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> <6FAA74BD-45BC-4595-9466-7CB6913BE7BC@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <91970E91-C30B-4EC4-9AA0-67A007A3F926@sweattechnologies.com> On 14/02/2013, at 9:06 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > I get how it works, but if you look at a couple of the things I want to do, > they require RR to support them or it's just me and my minions and our > togas. Right... but what I was looking for were real projects that people in the community might put their hand up to do. It might be a small tweak to the IDE but it's this community saying... gee if this goes open source we can do this or that and our collective effort will make this great tool 1000 times better! Why not go through your list, pick one or more things you might enjoy the challenge of implementing in your spare time and put it on the list ;-) Don't get me wrong... the big stuff will need to be left to RunRev. At least until after the refactoring. If you want the big stuff then put your money into kickstarter. Lots of small stuff can be done by the community though and that's what I'm hoping this thread will demonstrate. > > And Cmd-` is a good way to fix it for righties. Arguably lefties already have Cmd+0/9 > > I also see that Fran?ois and I have several interests in common. Yes... > > I like the way LibreOffice has their roadmap set up - instead of it being a > free-for-all, they have laid out various to-dos and what they think is the > degree of difficulty. Then noobs can come in, contribute, increase their > credibility and their knowledge, and move on up in the horde. Well... just because their roadmap is like that it doesn't mean you can't contribute something else. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From alex at tweedly.net Wed Feb 13 17:33:59 2013 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:33:59 +0000 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <511C14D7.4030704@tweedly.net> It's a serious question whether or not my C / C++ skills will be up to it or not, but .... Planned Open Source Contributions ENGINE - Mobile sockets - engine (Monte) - Nested behaviors so you can set the behavior of a behavior (Monte) - Getting the long id of an icon/pattern given the context of the object it's applied to (Monte) + Adding a "reverseOffset", "reverseLineOffset", etc. (AlexT) + Put in the optimization so that "line -1" (line -N) uses the equivalent of reverseOffset rather than scanning forward through the whole string (AlexT) (and, stretch goal ... + invent language and engine code to allow efficient use of sequential lines (or items) of a string (c.f. repeat for each line L) but in a more general context (AlexT) IDE - VCS integration into the IDE most likely focussed on git & mercurial (Monte) - Work out why the standalone settings won't let you build for mobile and desktop with one stack and fix (Monte) - Fix the bug in the docs stack where you can't type in the search field (Monte) - Fix the script library support in the IDE user extensions and standalone builder (Monte) Please respond with the whole list so we can keep track. You can add your name to someone else's thing if you want to help them. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 17:40:21 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:40:21 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <57DF2ED9-3556-4EE8-ABB0-FA5C99909872@sweattechnologies.com> I'm not positive I'm enough of a programmer to implement a couple of the things I put my name against either ;-) I have no idea what it's going to be like staring at half a million lines of C++ and wondering what will happen if I poke it. On 14/02/2013, at 8:56 AM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > Of course, my post was about my wishes. I am not enough of a programmer to implement that by myself. Pardon me, Monte, if I did not adequately reply to your post. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Wed Feb 13 17:39:02 2013 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:39:02 +0100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <6179F1AA-0B8E-4625-ADD7-0285172A850C@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> <21F002E5-4A46-44C3-ABB4-DDC3DEB8DCB8@mines-paristech.fr> <6179F1AA-0B8E-4625-ADD7-0285172A850C@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <464A6269-F736-414F-86C6-31D52CEC0B3C@mines-paristech.fr> The cocoa thing is the way to access advanced features like Grand Central Dispatch (introduced in snow leopard) that allows an more effective use of nowadays multicore processors by using queues instead of threads. This is of tremendous help for CPU intensive tasks, like scientific computing, signal processing, image processing, 3D imaging, etc... Not kid stuff, typically. Optimizing open source computing code with these tools is a boost in performance. A first application would be naturally in externals, but runrev could benefit from it directly. See http://arstechnica.com/apple/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6/12/ for a short but good technical explanation. Best regards Fran?ois Le 13 f?vr. 2013 ? 23:11, Monte Goulding a ?crit : > I don't think Cocoa is in the base kickstarter campaign. It's a stretch goal but it enabled I believe by the platform API. Matk's blog posts on this stuff is a great read. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 17:45:21 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:45:21 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <511C14D7.4030704@tweedly.net> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> <511C14D7.4030704@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <097A077D-A3D4-4734-859B-B05D9C9DCA31@sweattechnologies.com> Good work Alex! It's great to put your skills to the test for a challenge. Some really interesting optimisation stuff there. On 14/02/2013, at 9:33 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > It's a serious question whether or not my C / C++ skills will be up to it or not, but .... -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Wed Feb 13 17:42:34 2013 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:42:34 +0100 Subject: Trouble developing external In-Reply-To: <0A3A0ADD-EF31-4A3A-AF72-C1E1922FD161@sweattechnologies.com> References: <96E22B61-6DDF-41D2-BDF4-74C54A8DB952@mac.com> <0A3A0ADD-EF31-4A3A-AF72-C1E1922FD161@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Yes, all the links to the external resources in the user's manual are dead links :-( Fran?ois Le 13 f?vr. 2013 ? 23:18, Monte Goulding a ?crit : > Lol... nothing has changed in the externals sdk for a looooooong time. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 17:47:53 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:47:53 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <464A6269-F736-414F-86C6-31D52CEC0B3C@mines-paristech.fr> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> <21F002E5-4A46-44C3-ABB4-DDC3DEB8DCB8@mines-paristech.fr> <6179F1AA-0B8E-4625-ADD7-0285172A850C@sweattechnologies.com> <464A6269-F736-414F-86C6-31D52CEC0B3C@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <15849DE1-AD51-4B22-B1F9-8296E45E2152@sweattechnologies.com> On 14/02/2013, at 9:39 AM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > The cocoa thing is the way to access advanced features like Grand Central Dispatch (introduced in snow leopard) that allows an more effective use of nowadays multicore processors by using queues instead of threads. This is of tremendous help for CPU intensive tasks, like scientific computing, signal processing, image processing, 3D imaging, etc... Not kid stuff, typically. Optimizing open source computing code with these tools is a boost in performance. I use it in iOS externals so it's already feasible. I expect the extensions API will be an expansion of the iOS externals SDK. At least I hope so so I don't need to re-implement my externals again.... Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From kevin at runrev.com Wed Feb 13 18:06:33 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:06:33 +0000 Subject: Campaign update In-Reply-To: <511A7922.3070202@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: As promised, here is a summary of the coverage so far: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmyCYc1cXUZodGMxbExYNVVsVDVkcU k2aTZPdHV5Qmc&usp=sharing There should be lots more to come. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 12/02/2013 17:17, "Mark Schonewille" wrote: >Hi Kevin, > >Thanks for the e-mail, but it is yet another message to the already >existing LiveCode community. It isn't clear to me what RunRev is doing >to reach people outside this community and how we could help. Could you >elaborate on that? (I'd like to read a little more than "tell your >friends", "share on social media" and "we're open to suggestions"). > >-- >Best regards, > >Mark Schonewille > >Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering >Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com >Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer >KvK: 50277553 > >Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other >colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > >We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a >quote. > >On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send >an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try >again. > >On 2/12/2013 17:44, Kevin Miller wrote: >> Hi Team, >> >> We are now approaching the half way point on the campaign. We're a >>quarter >> of the way through funding. While there is often a spike at the end of >> Kickstarter projects, I think we have more work to do to keep building >> momentum! >> >> While the vast majority of the comments and feedback we've had on this >> campaign has been positive, there has been some confusion from a sizable >> minority. Reading the various comments on the campaign I think there the >> cause is the lack of clarity around the goal of "going open source" (not >> something which costs money), vs the "actual project", which requires >> development effort and thus funding. I'm not sure we have done as good >>a job >> as we could have in communicating that. I'm also not sure that the >>campaign >> has yet resonated as widely with those outside our customer base as we >> intended. I think this is probably the reason. >> >> So we've updated the campaign page today. The project has been retitled >>to >> "Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source)" so that we clearly communicate >>the >> project itself in the headline. We've reworked the text to state the >> benefits to the end user more clearly, asking questions up front which >> resonate with our target audience and then telling a simple story. We've >> talked about the ground breaking changes we're making and linked to the >>blog >> posts. We've moved the various pledge level graphics off to make the >>page >> easier to navigate. And we've put the licensing questions and details >>about >> the open source license into the FAQ. >> >> We have also added a ?310 tier which is a 1 year commercial license (or >> extension to any existing license end date of 1 year) plus the previous >> tiers. This is in response to requests for a tier that just focuses on >>that. >> >> I hope these changes, when taken together with the two video updates we >>did >> at the end of last week (new top video showing you what you can do, and >>new >> intro to the longer video showing clearly our unique selling points) >>will >> help us to communicate better what this campaign is about! >> >> You can see it as a halfway point relaunch. >> >> I'd welcome your feedback on these changes. We can continue to tweak the >> page if necessary. We'll be updating the various press folk we're >>working >> with on the new messaging angle and redoubling our efforts to get the >>word >> out there and make our case! >> >> I'll be holding a webinar on Thursday at 5PM UK to take any questions. >>You >> can sign up here https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/297977402 >> >> Thanks so much for your feedback and support. More soon. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Kevin >> >> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >> LiveCode: Everyone can code >> > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 13 18:18:05 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:18:05 -0800 Subject: Trouble developing external In-Reply-To: <0A3A0ADD-EF31-4A3A-AF72-C1E1922FD161@sweattechnologies.com> References: <96E22B61-6DDF-41D2-BDF4-74C54A8DB952@mac.com> <0A3A0ADD-EF31-4A3A-AF72-C1E1922FD161@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <2669137343.20130213151805@ahsoftware.net> Monte- Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 2:18:14 PM, you wrote: > Lol... nothing has changed in the externals sdk for a looooooong time. Sad but true. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From blackhurst at sc.rr.com Wed Feb 13 18:19:30 2013 From: blackhurst at sc.rr.com (Ed Blackhurst) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:19:30 -0500 Subject: Broken Link Message-ID: <088696F3-6FFA-486B-85D5-CDEE7A786058@sc.rr.com> Kevin, I clicked on this link and got the following message: We're sorry. The spreadsheet at this URL could not be found. Make sure that you have the right URL and that the owner of the spreadsheet hasn't deleted it. Find out more at the Google Docs Help Center. Ed > As promised, here is a summary of the coverage so far: > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmyCYc1cXUZodGMxbExYNVVsVDVkcU > k2aTZPdHV5Qmc&usp=sharing > > There should be lots more to come. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code =============================================================== Ed Blackhurst blackhurst at sc.rr.com PLATFORM: Using LiveCode 5.5.2 Commercial License on 27" iMac running OSX v. 10.6.8 =============================================================== From devin_asay at byu.edu Wed Feb 13 18:26:44 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:26:44 +0000 Subject: Broken Link In-Reply-To: <088696F3-6FFA-486B-85D5-CDEE7A786058@sc.rr.com> References: <088696F3-6FFA-486B-85D5-CDEE7A786058@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFFCFBC@Peas2.byu.local> Looks like Kevin's email client wrapped the url and broke the link. Just copy and paste the second line after the incomplete URL. Devin On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Ed Blackhurst wrote: > Kevin, I clicked on this link and got the following message: > > We're sorry. > The spreadsheet at this URL could not be found. Make sure that you have the right URL and that the owner of the spreadsheet hasn't deleted it. > > Find out more at the Google Docs Help Center. > > > Ed > > > >> As promised, here is a summary of the coverage so far: >> >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmyCYc1cXUZodGMxbExYNVVsVDVkcU >> k2aTZPdHV5Qmc&usp=sharing >> >> There should be lots more to come. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Kevin >> >> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >> LiveCode: Everyone can code > > > =============================================================== > Ed Blackhurst > blackhurst at sc.rr.com > PLATFORM: Using LiveCode 5.5.2 Commercial License on 27" iMac running OSX v. 10.6.8 > =============================================================== > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 13 18:27:10 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:27:10 -0500 Subject: Broken Link In-Reply-To: <088696F3-6FFA-486B-85D5-CDEE7A786058@sc.rr.com> References: <088696F3-6FFA-486B-85D5-CDEE7A786058@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3E891061-5D0E-4599-B0B5-55AFFCE41431@verizon.net> The link was split on two lines. Copy both lines and paste them into your browser: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmyCYc1cXUZodGMxbExYNVVsVDVkcU k2aTZPdHV5Qmc&usp=sharing On Feb 13, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Ed Blackhurst wrote: > Kevin, I clicked on this link and got the following message: > > We're sorry. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 18:33:28 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:33:28 +1100 Subject: Broken Link In-Reply-To: <3E891061-5D0E-4599-B0B5-55AFFCE41431@verizon.net> References: <088696F3-6FFA-486B-85D5-CDEE7A786058@sc.rr.com> <3E891061-5D0E-4599-B0B5-55AFFCE41431@verizon.net> Message-ID: <0EE86022-84E6-4B16-A0F8-D0B0F3CB9B28@sweattechnologies.com> Or use this: http://goo.gl/c8QEu On 14/02/2013, at 10:27 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > The link was split on two lines. Copy both lines and paste them into your browser: > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmyCYc1cXUZodGMxbExYNVVsVDVkcU > k2aTZPdHV5Qmc&usp=sharing > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Ed Blackhurst wrote: > >> Kevin, I clicked on this link and got the following message: >> >> We're sorry. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From pmbrig at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 18:29:43 2013 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:29:43 -0500 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <19B3DE3D-5FB1-40C8-988C-B5F3DE5073A0@gmail.com> On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > 2) Puny but so, so annoying: built-in method to switch between the run and > edit modes - remember command-tab? I know that's not an option but... Here's my current workaround, use in a frontscript, launched on opening LC: on tabkey if "revNewScriptEditor" is in line 1 of the openstacks then pass tabkey if the controlkey is down then if "browse" is in the tool then set the tool to pointer else set the tool to browse end if else pass tabkey end if end tabkey Control-tab switches tool. Similar enough to the old command-tab that it's easy to remember. It would be nice to have this built into the IDE, though. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From alex at tweedly.net Wed Feb 13 18:39:19 2013 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:39:19 +0000 Subject: Using returninfield Message-ID: <511C2427.3070600@tweedly.net> This feels like a very naive question .... but I've searched the docs for ages and tried various things, and I'm sure someone here can answer off the top of their head :-) I have a bunch of text entry fields. I can type in to them, or edit them - and then hit TAB to move to the next field. They can't have any CRs in them, so if the user types CR I want it to behave just like TAB would have done. I can use "returninfield" to detect it - but how do I then move to the next field ("next" as in "the same as if I hit TAB") ? Thanks -- Alex. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 18:46:10 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:46:10 +1100 Subject: Using returninfield In-Reply-To: <511C2427.3070600@tweedly.net> References: <511C2427.3070600@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <4B0663E9-26BF-4804-834D-0C2ABF3F1A60@sweattechnologies.com> Er... do you mean you want to set the autoTab to true? On 14/02/2013, at 10:39 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > This feels like a very naive question .... but I've searched the docs for ages and tried various things, and I'm sure someone here can answer off the top of their head :-) > > I have a bunch of text entry fields. I can type in to them, or edit them - and then hit TAB to move to the next field. > They can't have any CRs in them, so if the user types CR I want it to behave just like TAB would have done. > I can use "returninfield" to detect it - but how do I then move to the next field ("next" as in "the same as if I hit TAB") ? > > Thanks > -- Alex. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From alex at tweedly.net Wed Feb 13 18:50:23 2013 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:50:23 +0000 Subject: Using returninfield In-Reply-To: <4B0663E9-26BF-4804-834D-0C2ABF3F1A60@sweattechnologies.com> References: <511C2427.3070600@tweedly.net> <4B0663E9-26BF-4804-834D-0C2ABF3F1A60@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <511C26BF.20307@tweedly.net> Er ... yes :-) Thanks -- Alex. P.S. I guess if I was being picky, I'd say I wanted it to act like TAB even if the insertion point was somewhere other than the last line - but that would just be being picky, in practice it shouldn't matter. On 13/02/2013 23:46, Monte Goulding wrote: > Er... do you mean you want to set the autoTab to true? > > On 14/02/2013, at 10:39 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > >> This feels like a very naive question .... but I've searched the docs for ages and tried various things, and I'm sure someone here can answer off the top of their head :-) >> >> I have a bunch of text entry fields. I can type in to them, or edit them - and then hit TAB to move to the next field. >> They can't have any CRs in them, so if the user types CR I want it to behave just like TAB would have done. >> I can use "returninfield" to detect it - but how do I then move to the next field ("next" as in "the same as if I hit TAB") ? >> >> Thanks >> -- Alex. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 13 19:13:28 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: revOnline down again? References: <51143B41.8060106@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Mark Wieder writes: > > J. Landman Gay writes: > > > Just tried today and it's still broken. I'm thinking it has something to > > do with the recent server move, that's what borked it the last time. > > FWIW, support confirmed that it's a problem and "someone will look into it". Still as broken as ever, adding to my theory that the team is just sitting around waiting for the money to roll in. Depressing. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From peterwawood at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 20:01:51 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:01:51 +0800 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: <511B9616.4060705@cogapp.com> References: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> <511B9616.4060705@cogapp.com> Message-ID: Ben I think the first stage is to get a decent number of entries ... I think that publishing the blog would silly if we have less than 25 to start with. I've published 9 entries so far and have about the same again ready to be published once we can separate entries from different people. After that I'll have to persuade RunRev to put a link on the Kickstarter page, make sure its always visible in the first page of the Kickstarter comments and ask people to refer to the blog on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn. Regards Peter On 13 Feb 2013, at 21:33, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > Peter, > > I think it's a great idea, and will send you a contribution off-list. Thank you for taking this initiative. > > The next question remains how we can publicise and spread this beyond our community. > > Ben > > > On 13/02/2013 10:42, Peter W A Wood wrote: >> I'm pretty sure that everybody on these lists (sorry for double posting) wants the LiveCode Open Source project to succeed. You've probably already pledged what you can (or are going to make your pledge soon). You'd possibly like to help but don't know how. >> >> Well I think there is a way everybody on his list could help. It won't cost anything, you don't have to start calling up people to persuade them to make a pledge. All it will take is a few minutes. >> >> I really believe that people who've never used Hypercard, Metacard, Revolution or LiveCode just don't understand how useful LiveCode can be and haven't got an idea what you can do with LiveCode. I feel that we need a way to show them the value of LiveCode. We need to spark their imagination so that they feel that LiveCode would be of use to them. >> >> I've started a very simple blog, 1001 things you can do with LiveCode. It's at http://livecode1001.blogspot.com . >> >> I've come up with the first use of LiveCode. Can you help me come up with the next 1000? >> >> All I need is a short paragraph describing something do with LiveCode and a screenshot. (I'll give full credit to all contributors unless you ask otherwise). >> >> It's a small thing but it may make a difference. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From peterwawood at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 20:13:24 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:13:24 +0800 Subject: Another 1001 things you can do with LiveCode Message-ID: Thanks to all of you who've sent me screenshots of their use of LiveCode. Most of them to quote a comment on the blog are "awesome!". Clearly I must be the only person on these lists not writing awesome stuff in LiveCode :-) I'm hoping that some of you will come forward with a few samples of really simple LiveCode programs that are useful to you. A simple catalogue. A list of students in detention. A very simple game for kids. I'm worried that the current samples (barring mine) are to good, like giving a class of 5 year olds a painting lesson and showing them the Mona Lisa as an example. (Though 5 years olds unlike adults wouldn't be at all put off). Please do have a think about all those small LiveCode scripts that you could live without. Thanks in advance. Peter From mark.rauterkus at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 22:07:50 2013 From: mark.rauterkus at gmail.com (Mark Rauterkus) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:07:50 -0500 Subject: Advertising apps in GNU OS LiveCode? Message-ID: Hi, This might be a good question for the conference call. Can the in app advertising widget that was promoted at the NJ LiveCode Conference be deployed once there is an Open source version of LC? Wondering. The model is to have a gratis, mobile, application for download so end users with tablets and smartphones, both android and iOS can interact with the app and commercial content, ( ads ), appear on the screen. The ads generate income for the developer of the app. Thanks. Mark Rauterkus Mark at Rauterkus.com -- -- Ta. Mark Rauterkus Mark.Rauterkus at gmail.com PPS Summer Dreamers' Swim and Water Polo Camp Head Coach Pittsburgh Combined Water Polo Team http://Rauterkus.blogspot.com http://FixPA.wikia.com http://CLOH.wikia.com 412 298 3432 = cell From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 13 22:20:33 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:20:33 +1100 Subject: Advertising apps in GNU OS LiveCode? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As far as I'm aware open source does not preclude a developer from earning income. However, the iOS app store won't allow GPL apps and I think google accepts free ones. Basically if you released a GPL version of your software there's nothing to stop someone downloading the source and removing the ads then reposting so it's probably not worth your time implementing it. If you want to earn money then get commercial. There's couple of good deals on kickstarter ;-) On 14/02/2013, at 2:07 PM, Mark Rauterkus wrote: > This might be a good question for the conference call. > > Can the in app advertising widget that was promoted at the NJ LiveCode > Conference be deployed once there is an Open source version of LC? > > Wondering. > > The model is to have a gratis, mobile, application for download so end > users with tablets and smartphones, both android and iOS can interact with > the app and commercial content, ( ads ), appear on the screen. The ads > generate income for the developer of the app. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Wed Feb 13 22:45:40 2013 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:45:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Feb 2013, Mark Wieder wrote: > Peter M. Brigham writes: > >> http://tinyurl.com/cf35nrr > > Yow! That is one *ugly* interface. I'd just as soon not advertise that as our > poster child. You think that's an ugly UI? Do you get out much? ;-) Judy From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Wed Feb 13 23:14:31 2013 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:14:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: PPC ? In-Reply-To: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> Message-ID: My university's CS department's Linux lab is comprised of all PPC Macs. Judy On Sat, 9 Feb 2013, Richmond wrote: > What chance: > > 1. A Mac PPC version of O-S Livecode? > > 2. A Linux PPC version of O-S Livecode? > > Lots of underfunded schools "out there" running PPC Macs with either of those > Operating Systems. > > Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 13 23:53:48 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:53:48 -0800 Subject: PPC ? In-Reply-To: References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3789279781.20130213205348@ahsoftware.net> Judy- Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 8:14:31 PM, you wrote: > My university's CS department's Linux lab is comprised of all PPC Macs. Interesting. What are they running? Yellowdog? -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Thu Feb 14 00:19:53 2013 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:19:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Name of UK Tech Initiative? In-Reply-To: References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I seem to recall that in the last year or so, there was a UK STEM initiative to introduce programming in the schools but I've lost the link and was wondering if any of you possibly had it? I usually have a small part of one assignment for my students involving making them aware of open source software, but was thinking I could utilize the kickstart initiative as a more intensive course experience and have already shared the kickstart page and one of the RunRev videos (for the 4 or 5 CS majors) on the one line of LC code versus 9 of JS. It could be made larger still if I could figure out what happened to the 30 free trial version and show them how to make some simple stack(s) and then have them discuss the role of programming in education and have them reflect on their experiences using LC. So, I guess I'm looking for two things: 1. The link on the UK taking programming in education seriously initiative; and 2. If and where the 30-day free trial went (link). Thank you for any assistance you can provide. Judy From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Thu Feb 14 00:24:52 2013 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:24:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: PPC ? In-Reply-To: <3789279781.20130213205348@ahsoftware.net> References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> <3789279781.20130213205348@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Mark, On Wed, 13 Feb 2013, Mark Wieder wrote: > Judy- > > Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 8:14:31 PM, you wrote: > >> My university's CS department's Linux lab is comprised of all PPC Macs. > > Interesting. What are they running? Yellowdog? You know, I don't actually know! I was kinda broken-hearted when they eliminated my Mac lab for this and didn't look further except to inquire what they had done with the machines. I'll try to remember to ask them tomorrow. We now again have a real Mac lab and a real Mac programmer full-time, tenure-track faculty member, which is cool. Interestingly enough, we now also offer Python as one of our one-unit language courses. LC going open-source could offer yet another possibility in that batch of coursework. Judy From devin_asay at byu.edu Thu Feb 14 00:56:30 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 05:56:30 +0000 Subject: Name of UK Tech Initiative? In-Reply-To: References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFFDD0B@Peas2.byu.local> On Feb 13, 2013, at 10:19 PM, Judy Perry wrote: > So, I guess I'm looking for two things: > > 1. The link on the UK taking programming in education seriously initiative; and Can't help you here, but... > > 2. If and where the 30-day free trial went (link). It appears to be a 60-day trial now: http://www.runrev.com/Get-Started/ Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From gcanyon at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 01:10:19 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:10:19 -0600 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <19B3DE3D-5FB1-40C8-988C-B5F3DE5073A0@gmail.com> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <19B3DE3D-5FB1-40C8-988C-B5F3DE5073A0@gmail.com> Message-ID: I would be working to extend the natural language syntax in every way possible through the new language capabilities. For twenty years now, whenever someone says LC is verbose, we've responded with sort lines of fld "demo" by item 3 of each put word 3 of line 2 of x into line 14 of y or something similar. Chunk syntax is awesome, but it's not the end. The underlying principle is that whatever you can reasonably interpret from an intuitive english expression will be more powerful than other syntaxes. Some examples off the top of my head, english similarity level TBD: swap the values of x and y apply function trim to each line of x apply function demo to x until the result stops changing scan all the files in directory demoDirectory including subdirectories and put the paths of the ones that contain the letter "z" into x And finally, let's go crazy: open a window if full screen mode color it black place 20 white pixels randomly on the screen, with no pixels closer to each other than 15 pixels create a new graphic of type player use the image "player.png" for the player graphic this is where the game starts if the user tilts the device left or right, accelerate the player graphic uniformly in the direction of the tilt, proportionate to the amount of tilt, so that at maximum tilt it takes 120 ticks for the player graphic to move across the whole window If the user touches the screen, accelerate the player graphic uniformly toward the user's touch if the player graphic reaches the same horizontal location as the user's finger, decelerate the player graphic uniformly to motionless in 10 ticks once every 30 to 240 ticks, create a new graphic of type star place the new star graphic randomly, but always 50 pixels from the top of the window use the image "star.png" for the new star graphic accelerate the new star graphic uniformly toward the bottom of the screen so that it takes 120 to 300 ticks to get to the bottom of the screen if the new star graphic reaches the bottom of the screen, delete it if the new star graphic collides with the player graphic, delete the new star graphic and add 50 points to the player's score sixty seconds after the player graphic is created, stop all motion, delete all the star graphics if the user touches the player graphic, set the player's score to 0 and start the game I know that's crazy. gc On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > > > 2) Puny but so, so annoying: built-in method to switch between the run > and > > edit modes - remember command-tab? I know that's not an option but... > > Here's my current workaround, use in a frontscript, launched on opening LC: > > on tabkey > if "revNewScriptEditor" is in line 1 of the openstacks then pass tabkey > if the controlkey is down then > if "browse" is in the tool then > set the tool to pointer > else > set the tool to browse > end if > else > pass tabkey > end if > end tabkey > > Control-tab switches tool. Similar enough to the old command-tab that it's > easy to remember. It would be nice to have this built into the IDE, though. > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 14 02:18:56 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:18:56 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <19B3DE3D-5FB1-40C8-988C-B5F3DE5073A0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <59A9D689-32F7-4759-975A-808211156F1B@sweattechnologies.com> Lol... I guess you'd want to be careful not to bloat the engine with syntax for edge cases but I get your point. I like: each line of One small step forward would be allowing our own functions to be called like this: put the trim of x into y Then we could upgrade to: put the trim of each line of x into each line of y or how about this: add the sum of item 3 to 5 of each line of x to y Or if trim is a command: trim each line of x Actually the each adjective could be extended in many ways... send "myCommand" to each control of group 1 repeat for each control controlID in group 1 filter each element of theArray with "now that would be handy" Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From peterwawood at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 02:40:32 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:40:32 +0800 Subject: Name of UK Tech Initiative? In-Reply-To: References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7EC810F0-BA53-42B8-8135-F8A723B19035@gmail.com> This probably isn't what you're looking for but it may help - http://www.stemnet.org.uk/news/view/1232326 On 14 Feb 2013, at 13:19, Judy Perry wrote: > Hi all, > > I seem to recall that in the last year or so, there was a UK STEM initiative to introduce programming in the schools but I've lost the link and was wondering if any of you possibly had it? > > I usually have a small part of one assignment for my students involving making them aware of open source software, but was thinking I could utilize the kickstart initiative as a more intensive course experience and have already shared the kickstart page and one of the RunRev videos (for the 4 or 5 CS majors) on the one line of LC code versus 9 of JS. > > It could be made larger still if I could figure out what happened to the 30 free trial version and show them how to make some simple stack(s) and then have them discuss the role of programming in education and have them reflect on their experiences using LC. > > So, I guess I'm looking for two things: > > 1. The link on the UK taking programming in education seriously initiative; and > > 2. If and where the 30-day free trial went (link). > > Thank you for any assistance you can provide. > > Judy > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From kevin at runrev.com Thu Feb 14 04:04:48 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:04:48 +0000 Subject: revOnline down again? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I assume this is some sort of test, to see how patient I really am first thing in the morning before coffee. [Snip sarcastic remark. Do I pass the test?] Mark, the team have responded on 33 bug reports this week. If you have a problem with some aspect of our software or services, please file one. Or write to support. Oddly enough our tech team does not spend its entire day reading this list. Then they truly wouldn't get anything done. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 14/02/2013 00:13, "Mark Wieder" wrote: >Mark Wieder writes: > >> >> J. Landman Gay writes: >> >> > Just tried today and it's still broken. I'm thinking it has something >>to >> > do with the recent server move, that's what borked it the last time. >> >> FWIW, support confirmed that it's a problem and "someone will look into >>it". > > >Still as broken as ever, adding to my theory that the team is just sitting >around waiting for the money to roll in. Depressing. > >-- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From livfoss at mac.com Thu Feb 14 04:15:36 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:15:36 +0100 Subject: How do I invoke a system color palette? Message-ID: <243DA827-33A2-4184-ACDA-3EC8A5011735@mac.com> I realise this is a fairly dumb question, but I couldn't find anything in the usual RunRev docs: in a desktop app which will run on Mac or Windows, and maybe on Linux too, how do I offer the user some form of a system palette for choosing colors (or indeed colours, as we Europeans say)? I see that the IDE itself does it, but how? I realise that once I have the ability to do this, I may need to simplify the user's choice - in the Mac at least, there are some palettes with restricted numbers of colours, which would be fine for my app. So maybe I need to understand a little more than the basics. I also have an uncomfortable feeling that in the *nix world this won't be so easy, so maybe I have to give it a miss and just use a dropdown list of colour names, but I need advice on that too. Can anyone point me to documentation, tutorial or examples on this? TIA Graham From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 14 04:17:31 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:17:31 +1100 Subject: How do I invoke a system color palette? In-Reply-To: <243DA827-33A2-4184-ACDA-3EC8A5011735@mac.com> References: <243DA827-33A2-4184-ACDA-3EC8A5011735@mac.com> Message-ID: <10FAF197-6CB3-41C3-B2F3-53D4D8E9A1A9@sweattechnologies.com> answer color On 14/02/2013, at 8:15 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: > I realise this is a fairly dumb question, but I couldn't find anything in the usual RunRev docs: in a desktop app which will run on Mac or Windows, and maybe on Linux too, how do I offer the user some form of a system palette for choosing colors (or indeed colours, as we Europeans say)? I see that the IDE itself does it, but how? I realise that once I have the ability to do this, I may need to simplify the user's choice - in the Mac at least, there are some palettes with restricted numbers of colours, which would be fine for my app. So maybe I need to understand a little more than the basics. I also have an uncomfortable feeling that in the *nix world this won't be so easy, so maybe I have to give it a miss and just use a dropdown list of colour names, but I need advice on that too. > > Can anyone point me to documentation, tutorial or examples on this? > > TIA > > Graham > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From th.douez at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 04:18:40 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:18:40 +0100 Subject: How do I invoke a system color palette? In-Reply-To: <243DA827-33A2-4184-ACDA-3EC8A5011735@mac.com> References: <243DA827-33A2-4184-ACDA-3EC8A5011735@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Graham, Have you checked : answer color ? HTH, Thierry 2013/2/14 Graham Samuel > I realise this is a fairly dumb question, but I couldn't find anything in > the usual RunRev docs: in a desktop app which will run on Mac or Windows, > and maybe on Linux too, how do I offer the user some form of a system > palette for choosing colors (or indeed colours, as we Europeans say)? I see > that the IDE itself does it, but how? I realise that once I have the > ability to do this, I may need to simplify the user's choice - in the Mac > at least, there are some palettes with restricted numbers of colours, which > would be fine for my app. So maybe I need to understand a little more than > the basics. I also have an uncomfortable feeling that in the *nix world > this won't be so easy, so maybe I have to give it a miss and just use a > dropdown list of colour names, but I need advice on that too. > > Can anyone point me to documentation, tutorial or examples on this? > > TIA > > Graham > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 14 04:19:25 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:19:25 +1100 Subject: teaching LiveCode? Message-ID: Hi I happened to see a tweet from RunRev to code.org so I posted my AppIsle course there. Anyone teaching LiveCode should post their course on code.org. Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From th.douez at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 04:20:01 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:20:01 +0100 Subject: How do I invoke a system color palette? In-Reply-To: <10FAF197-6CB3-41C3-B2F3-53D4D8E9A1A9@sweattechnologies.com> References: <243DA827-33A2-4184-ACDA-3EC8A5011735@mac.com> <10FAF197-6CB3-41C3-B2F3-53D4D8E9A1A9@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Hi Monte, How many fingers do you have ? Quicker than me :) Regards, Thierry From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 14 04:22:19 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:22:19 +1100 Subject: How do I invoke a system color palette? In-Reply-To: References: <243DA827-33A2-4184-ACDA-3EC8A5011735@mac.com> <10FAF197-6CB3-41C3-B2F3-53D4D8E9A1A9@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Aha... my answer was shorter though.. maybe it was as polite as yours it would have come in second ;-) On 14/02/2013, at 8:20 PM, Thierry Douez wrote: > How many fingers do you have ? -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From livfoss at mac.com Thu Feb 14 04:24:39 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:24:39 +0100 Subject: How do I invoke a system color palette? In-Reply-To: References: <243DA827-33A2-4184-ACDA-3EC8A5011735@mac.com> <10FAF197-6CB3-41C3-B2F3-53D4D8E9A1A9@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1DF3B82D-B35B-4DB0-921B-8115885A2CF6@mac.com> Thanks Thierry and Monte. Knew it was a dumb question, but I didn't guess that I'd get two answers in two minutes! Graham On 14 Feb 2013, at 10:20, Thierry Douez wrote: > Hi Monte, > > How many fingers do you have ? > > Quicker than me :) > > Regards, > > Thierry From th.douez at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 04:34:24 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:34:24 +0100 Subject: How do I invoke a system color palette? In-Reply-To: <1DF3B82D-B35B-4DB0-921B-8115885A2CF6@mac.com> References: <243DA827-33A2-4184-ACDA-3EC8A5011735@mac.com> <10FAF197-6CB3-41C3-B2F3-53D4D8E9A1A9@sweattechnologies.com> <1DF3B82D-B35B-4DB0-921B-8115885A2CF6@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Graham, 2013/2/14 Graham Samuel Thanks Thierry and Monte. Knew it was a dumb question, but I didn't guess that I'd get two answers in two minutes! > Pledge at KickStarter, and later, you'll have answers in 2 seconds :) Thierry From nm at studionm.pl Thu Feb 14 07:51:02 2013 From: nm at studionm.pl (Marek Niesiobedzki) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:51:02 +0100 Subject: text file import & charsets - whats wrong Message-ID: Check uniEncode and uniDecode functions in Dictionary. They will convert file encoding from/to internal UTF-16 used in LC. Marek From kevin at runrev.com Thu Feb 14 09:31:40 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:31:40 +0000 Subject: Campaign update In-Reply-To: <36A36E76-12D8-4170-8366-CA52AB17B357@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, we tried to connect it to the RunRev page but it doesn't let you. It can only be connected to a person, which is not what we want to do. I guess its easy enough to find our FB page if you look for it. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 12/02/2013 22:59, "Peter W A Wood" wrote: >Kevin > >One small thing that could be done is to link the RunRev Facebook page to >the Kickstarter page. At the moment, the text "Has not connected >Facebook" is displayed by the Facebook logo on the Kickstarter project >page. > >Regards > >Peter > >On 13 Feb 2013, at 02:11, Kevin Miller wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> We're doing lots outside the community. I'll post a more extensive >>update >> on our efforts there tomorrow. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Kevin >> >> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >> LiveCode: Everyone can code >> >> >> >> >> On 12/02/2013 17:17, "Mark Schonewille" >> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Kevin, >>> >>> Thanks for the e-mail, but it is yet another message to the already >>> existing LiveCode community. It isn't clear to me what RunRev is doing >>> to reach people outside this community and how we could help. Could you >>> elaborate on that? (I'd like to read a little more than "tell your >>> friends", "share on social media" and "we're open to suggestions"). >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Mark Schonewille >>> >>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering >>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer >>> KvK: 50277553 >>> >>> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other >>> colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com >>> >>> We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a >>> quote. >>> >>> On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send >>> an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try >>> again. >>> >>> On 2/12/2013 17:44, Kevin Miller wrote: >>>> Hi Team, >>>> >>>> We are now approaching the half way point on the campaign. We're a >>>> quarter >>>> of the way through funding. While there is often a spike at the end of >>>> Kickstarter projects, I think we have more work to do to keep building >>>> momentum! >>>> >>>> While the vast majority of the comments and feedback we've had on this >>>> campaign has been positive, there has been some confusion from a >>>>sizable >>>> minority. Reading the various comments on the campaign I think there >>>>the >>>> cause is the lack of clarity around the goal of "going open source" >>>>(not >>>> something which costs money), vs the "actual project", which requires >>>> development effort and thus funding. I'm not sure we have done as good >>>> a job >>>> as we could have in communicating that. I'm also not sure that the >>>> campaign >>>> has yet resonated as widely with those outside our customer base as we >>>> intended. I think this is probably the reason. >>>> >>>> So we've updated the campaign page today. The project has been >>>>retitled >>>> to >>>> "Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source)" so that we clearly >>>>communicate >>>> the >>>> project itself in the headline. We've reworked the text to state the >>>> benefits to the end user more clearly, asking questions up front which >>>> resonate with our target audience and then telling a simple story. >>>>We've >>>> talked about the ground breaking changes we're making and linked to >>>>the >>>> blog >>>> posts. We've moved the various pledge level graphics off to make the >>>> page >>>> easier to navigate. And we've put the licensing questions and details >>>> about >>>> the open source license into the FAQ. >>>> >>>> We have also added a ?310 tier which is a 1 year commercial license >>>>(or >>>> extension to any existing license end date of 1 year) plus the >>>>previous >>>> tiers. This is in response to requests for a tier that just focuses on >>>> that. >>>> >>>> I hope these changes, when taken together with the two video updates >>>>we >>>> did >>>> at the end of last week (new top video showing you what you can do, >>>>and >>>> new >>>> intro to the longer video showing clearly our unique selling points) >>>> will >>>> help us to communicate better what this campaign is about! >>>> >>>> You can see it as a halfway point relaunch. >>>> >>>> I'd welcome your feedback on these changes. We can continue to tweak >>>>the >>>> page if necessary. We'll be updating the various press folk we're >>>> working >>>> with on the new messaging angle and redoubling our efforts to get the >>>> word >>>> out there and make our case! >>>> >>>> I'll be holding a webinar on Thursday at 5PM UK to take any questions. >>>> You >>>> can sign up here https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/297977402 >>>> >>>> Thanks so much for your feedback and support. More soon. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >>>> LiveCode: Everyone can code >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Feb 14 09:50:45 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:50:45 +0100 Subject: Campaign update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <511CF9C5.2040304@economy-x-talk.com> Thanks, Kevin. Any ideas of what we could do to get more coverage outside the LC community, besides what is already listed? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. On 2/14/2013 00:06, Kevin Miller wrote: > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmyCYc1cXUZodGMxbExYNVVsVDVkcU > k2aTZPdHV5Qmc&usp=sharing From rene.micout at numericable.com Thu Feb 14 10:18:19 2013 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:18:19 +0100 Subject: Campaign update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Le 14 f?vr. 2013 ? 00:06, Kevin Miller a ?crit : > As promised, here is a summary of the coverage so far: > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmyCYc1cXUZodGMxbExYNVVsVDVkcU > k2aTZPdHV5Qmc&usp=sharing > > There should be lots more to come. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code Hello, A new coverage in France ! http://www.macg.co/news/voir/258853/livecode-veut-se-faire-financer-sa-version-open-source After my mail to Macg redaction... Ren? From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Thu Feb 14 10:24:17 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:24:17 -0500 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <59A9D689-32F7-4759-975A-808211156F1B@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <19B3DE3D-5FB1-40C8-988C-B5F3DE5073A0@gmail.com> <59A9D689-32F7-4759-975A-808211156F1B@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: like, like, like The grammar is amazing and anybody who's ever written a parser or a compiler will know how hard this can be, but will also recognize how awesome it is. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Lol... I guess you'd want to be careful not to bloat the engine with > syntax for edge cases but I get your point. I like: > > each line of > > One small step forward would be allowing our own functions to be called > like this: > > put the trim of x into y > > Then we could upgrade to: > > put the trim of each line of x into each line of y > > or how about this: > > add the sum of item 3 to 5 of each line of x to y > > Or if trim is a command: > > trim each line of x > > Actually the each adjective could be extended in many ways... > > send "myCommand" to each control of group 1 > > repeat for each control controlID in group 1 > > filter each element of theArray with "now that would be handy" > > Cheers > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From livfoss at mac.com Thu Feb 14 10:37:02 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:37:02 +0100 Subject: How do I invoke a system color palette? In-Reply-To: References: <243DA827-33A2-4184-ACDA-3EC8A5011735@mac.com> <10FAF197-6CB3-41C3-B2F3-53D4D8E9A1A9@sweattechnologies.com> <1DF3B82D-B35B-4DB0-921B-8115885A2CF6@mac.com> Message-ID: I've pledged. And other stuff. I regret I can't find other people to pledge outside of this list, tho I'm still trying. Looking forward to the two-second response! G On 14 Feb 2013, at 10:34, Thierry Douez wrote: > Hi Graham, > > 2013/2/14 Graham Samuel > > Thanks Thierry and Monte. Knew it was a dumb question, > > but I didn't guess that I'd get two answers in two minutes! >> > > > Pledge at KickStarter, and later, you'll have answers in 2 seconds :) > > Thierry > _______________________________________________ From kevin at runrev.com Thu Feb 14 10:54:11 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:54:11 +0000 Subject: Campaign update In-Reply-To: <511CF9C5.2040304@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Thanks for this. If you know any editors or bloggers you can continue to message them about us. I don't mean spam them, I just mean gentle pressure. Some of these folks are incredibly busy and need a little followup. We will also be releasing a new news story shortly (this one is about education which will help in some circles). We're on the lookout for any more news angles or hooks we can announce and will have more soon. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 14/02/2013 14:50, "Mark Schonewille" wrote: >Thanks, Kevin. Any ideas of what we could do to get more coverage >outside the LC community, besides what is already listed? > >-- >Best regards, > >Mark Schonewille > >Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering >Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com >Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer >KvK: 50277553 > >Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other >colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > >We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a >quote. > >On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send >an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try >again. > >On 2/14/2013 00:06, Kevin Miller wrote: >> >>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmyCYc1cXUZodGMxbExYNVVsVDVk >>cU >> k2aTZPdHV5Qmc&usp=sharing > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From gcanyon at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 11:11:26 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:11:26 -0600 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <59A9D689-32F7-4759-975A-808211156F1B@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <19B3DE3D-5FB1-40C8-988C-B5F3DE5073A0@gmail.com> <59A9D689-32F7-4759-975A-808211156F1B@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Lol... I guess you'd want to be careful not to bloat the engine with > syntax for edge cases but I get your point. I like: > >From a technical standpoint, if I understand how RR is planning to handle language extensions, this would be more of a library thing than an engine thing. You'd be able to load grammars selectively. >From a conceptual standpoint, I think the syntax itself is critical to this. Your example trim each line of x That is as clear as day, much clearer than my more generic and less grammatical apply function trim to each line of x ...which is part of the point. Let's say that I share my syntax. You like the functionality but tsk, tsk the way I've phrased it. You rewrite what I put out (should be easy) and re-release. The market speaks, and a week from now everyone is using trim each line of x bold word 1 of each line of fld "display" add 5 to the last item of each element of Z ...and so on. Good syntax wins, and any edge cases or bad syntaxes are lost in the mist. In other words, the examples that will survive are the ones like chunk expressions, which are blindingly clear to any english-speaker, and where once you use them, you wonder how you ever got along without them. Putting it another way, more powerful abstractions are better. From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Thu Feb 14 11:17:41 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:17:41 -0500 Subject: Campaign update In-Reply-To: References: <511CF9C5.2040304@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Here's a RAD idea. Most local "printed" newspapers have an editorial column where anyone can just write about their interests. If many of us could submit articles about the possibility of regular folk being able to learn programming FOR FREE, it may encourage at least a hobbyist uptake. Of course, this could lead to more interest and people that had not even considered programming eventually becoming developers. That's kinda what happened to me with HyperCard some 20 years ago, and now it's what I do. An article for a newspaper editorial column probably shouldn't be written like a press release though. It may be too late in the kickstarter to reach the morning newspaper reader, especially considering the time it would take to get an article chosen for print. Just a thought. ~Roger On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > Thanks for this. If you know any editors or bloggers you can continue to > message them about us....... > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > > From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 14 11:55:48 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:55:48 -0500 Subject: KS related Google search tip Message-ID: In checking for any news about LiveCode you might go to Google and type in something that is likely to get a lot of results. For example: livecode kickstarter give 385,000 results, most of which are not so new. But, if you click on Search Tools, and select Any Time/Past 24 hours, there are just six pages worth. It makes it easier to spot new posts like these: http://www.lfonyat.com/2013_02_01_archive.html http://forum.junowebdesign.com/php-scripting/43870-live-code-become-open-source.html http://tajimi.mobi/blog/eng/2013/02/14/so-more-people-can-make-more-stuff/ http://www.italiamac.it/category/appstore/ From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 14 12:15:35 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:15:35 -0800 Subject: revOnline down again? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0133787078.20130214091535@ahsoftware.net> Kevin- Thursday, February 14, 2013, 1:04:48 AM, you wrote: > I assume this is some sort of test, to see how patient I really am first > thing in the morning before coffee. [Snip sarcastic remark. Do I pass the > test?] > Mark, the team have responded on 33 bug reports this week. If you have a > problem with some aspect of our software or services, please file one. Or > write to support. Oddly enough our tech team does not spend its entire day > reading this list. Then they truly wouldn't get anything done. Thanks, Kevin. Yes, that was indeed a test , although one designed to provoke a response rather that a patience test. If you'll read the thread, you'll notice that a support ticket was filed a week ago, and the service is still down. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From kevin at runrev.com Thu Feb 14 13:10:13 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:10:13 +0000 Subject: revOnline down again? In-Reply-To: <0133787078.20130214091535@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: The team are working on this now. I can assure you this was queue in response to your ticket and not simply because you posted on here :) Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 14/02/2013 17:15, "Mark Wieder" wrote: >Kevin- > >Thursday, February 14, 2013, 1:04:48 AM, you wrote: > >>I assume this is some sort of test, to see how patient I really am first >>thing in the morning before coffee. [Snip sarcastic remark. Do I pass the >>test?] > >>Mark, the team have responded on 33 bug reports this week. If you have a >>problem with some aspect of our software or services, please file one. Or >>write to support. Oddly enough our tech team does not spend its entire >>day >>reading this list. Then they truly wouldn't get anything done. > >Thanks, Kevin. Yes, that was indeed a test , although one designed >to provoke a response rather that a patience test. If you'll read the >thread, you'll notice that a support ticket was filed a week ago, and >the service is still down. > >-- >-Mark Wieder >mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From slylabs13 at me.com Thu Feb 14 13:10:36 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:10:36 -0800 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: <4B1B1678-436B-4F94-9F1D-D46A3650C71C@sweattechnologies.com> References: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> <1424A94F-99AB-412A-9B73-C443CA313715@sweattechnologies.com> <4B1B1678-436B-4F94-9F1D-D46A3650C71C@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <20F5078B-F080-42D2-844B-AC52F93C0986@me.com> I can tell you why I haven't pledged. I am out of work! Now if someone wants to hire me as an in house developer, why that is a different story... Bob On Feb 13, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 14/02/2013, at 7:48 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > >> Less than 70 peoples to pledge at least for ? 640 ? Seems reasonably impossible, is't ? Do we all needs to act now to encourage confident new pledges along the two for coming weeks ? > > Yes... I don't personally understand why the numbers at that level are so low given what a good deal it is even if it were unrelated to going open source and all the benefits that will bring. > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 14 13:11:28 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:11:28 -0500 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... Message-ID: <9AA5160F-8AFC-4261-814F-5E0A760EFF82@verizon.net> Some questions came up on the call about why the GPL version can't have the password protection code in it. It seems obvious to me why that would be the case, but maybe there's a complication I'm not seeing? The value of password protecting a stack is that you can produce proprietary code that your customers can't just copy and paste into their own stacks. If the GPL version of LiveCode included the source code for how the protection scheme worked, that would completely devalue the feature, customers could easily rip-off the proprietary code of people who had paid for the commercial license. From slylabs13 at me.com Thu Feb 14 13:14:01 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:14:01 -0800 Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> <4438A182-6F12-45C7-825E-46E259A14582@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8BD59858-06A9-443A-A07A-1156647E0CE4@me.com> I don't think the world needs less "bitchers", I don't think that is possible. What the world needs is far fewer people who listen to them. :-) Hey! That is going on my Facebook page! Bob On Feb 13, 2013, at 2:24 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Lotus Notes was basically destroyed by professional programmers bitching > about the applications looking ugly. No doubt there are all sorts of > management issues with coding standards, security, maintainability, etc in > such an environment. But if a business goes bankrupt because they are > missing years of money-making opportunities when building something in Java > or C# takes too long, then niceties like coding standards or the aesthetics > of an application are almost totally irrelevant. From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 14 13:13:53 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:13:53 -0500 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: <20F5078B-F080-42D2-844B-AC52F93C0986@me.com> References: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> <1424A94F-99AB-412A-9B73-C443CA313715@sweattechnologies.com> <4B1B1678-436B-4F94-9F1D-D46A3650C71C@sweattechnologies.com> <20F5078B-F080-42D2-844B-AC52F93C0986@me.com> Message-ID: <5B0B4E61-51E8-4956-A8A7-9C11705DFAB7@verizon.net> A future world where everyone is using LiveCode is also one where more people will be hired to program in LiveCode. You could invest in your own future. On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > >I can tell you why I haven't pledged. I am out of work! Now if someone wants to hire me as an in house developer, why that is a different story... From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 14 14:47:20 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:47:20 -0600 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: <9AA5160F-8AFC-4261-814F-5E0A760EFF82@verizon.net> References: <9AA5160F-8AFC-4261-814F-5E0A760EFF82@verizon.net> Message-ID: <511D3F48.8000508@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/14/13 12:11 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Some questions came up on the call about why the GPL version can't > have the password protection code in it. It seems obvious to me why > that would be the case, but maybe there's a complication I'm not > seeing? No, I think you understand it. I seems obvious to me too. For those who weren't there, the person said that most encryption algorithms are open source and wanted to know why this one wouldn't be. I thought Kevin did a good job explaining why. In most encryption schemes, a missing piece in the form of a password or other bit of data has to be provided to unlock the encryption. In LiveCode that isn't the case; the engine needs to decrypt the code in order to run it. Therefore the key has to be stored within the stack itself. Anyone who knew the algorithm could access the code as if it were never protected at all. I'm not sure why that was confusing. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 14 15:01:36 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:01:36 +1100 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: <511D3F48.8000508@hyperactivesw.com> References: <9AA5160F-8AFC-4261-814F-5E0A760EFF82@verizon.net> <511D3F48.8000508@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Is there a transcript anywhere for those of us that were sound asleep? -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Thu Feb 14 15:07:28 2013 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:07:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Name of UK Tech Initiative? In-Reply-To: <7EC810F0-BA53-42B8-8135-F8A723B19035@gmail.com> References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> <7EC810F0-BA53-42B8-8135-F8A723B19035@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Peter. This gets me closer. Oddly enough, my Amtrak train wifi connection filter is blocking out the site, so I'll have to check out the rest of it when I get to work ;-) Judy On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, Peter W A Wood wrote: > This probably isn't what you're looking for but it may help - http://www.stemnet.org.uk/news/view/1232326 From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 14 15:08:52 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:08:52 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <19B3DE3D-5FB1-40C8-988C-B5F3DE5073A0@gmail.com> <59A9D689-32F7-4759-975A-808211156F1B@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: On 15/02/2013, at 3:11 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > From a technical standpoint, if I understand how RR is planning to handle > language extensions, this would be more of a library thing than an engine > thing. You'd be able to load grammars selectively. It's an interesting point. I wonder how far the syntax extensions will stretch though. For example... should we want to could we invent a control structure? In my example I used "each line OF x" rather than "each line IN x". I often get caught on repeat for each line X IN y when I write OF. Could I add OF to the repeat syntax so it didn't matter? It seems natural to me either way. If not then perhaps our syntax should be: trim each line in X Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From benr_mc at cogapp.com Thu Feb 14 15:09:35 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:09:35 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A3310_deal_is_a_steal_for_any_comm?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ercial_user_=28was_Re=3A_1001_things_you_ca?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?n_do_with_LiveCode=29?= In-Reply-To: <4B1B1678-436B-4F94-9F1D-D46A3650C71C@sweattechnologies.com> References: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> <1424A94F-99AB-412A-9B73-C443CA313715@sweattechnologies.com> <4B1B1678-436B-4F94-9F1D-D46A3650C71C@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <511D447F.3020309@cogapp.com> On 13/02/2013 20:53, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 14/02/2013, at 7:48 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > >> Less than 70 peoples to pledge at least for ? 640 ? Seems reasonably impossible, is't ? Do we all needs to act now to encourage confident new pledges along the two for coming weeks ? > > Yes... I don't personally understand why the numbers at that level are so low given what a good deal it is even if it were unrelated to going open source and all the benefits that will bring. I think it's a good deal - if you want that stuff. I've got Colin's book and the mergExt set, I don't happen to want a mobile phone sleeve, SQL Yoga or Animation Engine, and so on, and while I might want a boxed copy signed by the team, I can't justify spending my company's money on it. Whereas the ?310 deal is a straightforward no-brainer for the commercial license alone, never mind the other stuff, so I can. So (as well as increasing my personal pledge) I have just pledged this on behalf of my company - and if just one other person does so, we'll pass ?100K! So if you're using LC commercially, and haven't done this yet - please take a look. If the project funds, this is a slight discount on the commercial license, extending whenever your current one expires (and you'll get the t-shirt, playing cards, phone cover etc etc etc). If it doesn't fund, you've lost nothing. Do it now and take the total into six figures! Ben From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Thu Feb 14 15:11:38 2013 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:11:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Name of UK Tech Initiative? In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFFDD0B@Peas2.byu.local> References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFFDD0B@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: Thank you, Devin. On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, Devin Asay wrote: >> >> 2. If and where the 30-day free trial went (link). > > It appears to be a 60-day trial now: http://www.runrev.com/Get-Started/ > > Devin From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 14 15:14:41 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:14:41 -0500 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: References: <9AA5160F-8AFC-4261-814F-5E0A760EFF82@verizon.net> <511D3F48.8000508@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1C94A382-FD9E-4EA5-91E8-DAC608246E55@verizon.net> They were debating where to post the recording. It was recorded thought. On Feb 14, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >Is there a transcript anywhere for those of us that were sound asleep? From benr_mc at cogapp.com Thu Feb 14 15:27:05 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:27:05 +0000 Subject: Name of UK Tech Initiative? In-Reply-To: References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <511D4899.4030606@cogapp.com> On 14/02/2013 05:19, Judy Perry wrote: > I seem to recall that in the last year or so, there was a UK STEM initiative > to introduce programming in the schools but I've lost the link and was > wondering if any of you possibly had it? I'm afraid that "initiative" is a bit optimistic - after years in which "ICT" in our schools has meant teaching kids to use PowerPoint and Excel, our Education Minister (= Secretary of State for E in your terms) suddenly announced that he (like a lot of people who've been mouthing off about this for a while) thought it should actually teach control of the machines. Unfortunately as far as I know this hasn't progressed beyond a photo-op with Eric Schmidt, who's just bought a bunch of Raspberry Pis for schools [1] (because Google would like to have a larger supply of programmers trained for them, although they evade paying their share of the taxes to pay for this [2].) This was really the origin of the Pi - the idea was that it would help introduce programming in schools - but I've always thought this was nonsense, as the problem with programming in schools isn't that they don't have computers, but that the ICT teachers don't know how to program themselves - they have computers, that's what they teach PowerPoint on... When my daughter started at secondary school I spoke to the ICT teacher at each of the schools we visited - they all said that they'd love to teach programming - but actually none of them did. See also [3]. The other thing we have going on is Code Club, which Peter linked you to - this is totally volunteer (one of my colleagues is running one at his kid's school, and we've hosted sessions at our office), and is based on Scratch. It's a very good well-worked out scheme, but while I think Scratch is an excellent system for the very beginning stages of learning, it obviously limits how far kids can go with it - which is where I think LC represents a great advantage. [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18182280 [2] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/google-boss-im-very-proud-of-our-tax-avoidance-scheme-8411974.html [3] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18187205 From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 14 15:36:09 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:36:09 +1100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=A3310_deal_is_a_steal_for_any_commercial_u?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ser_=28was_Re=3A_1001_things_you_can_do_with_Live?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Code=29?= In-Reply-To: <511D447F.3020309@cogapp.com> References: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> <1424A94F-99AB-412A-9B73-C443CA313715@sweattechnologies.com> <4B1B1678-436B-4F94-9F1D-D46A3650C71C@sweattechnologies.com> <511D447F.3020309@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <5BAAF4C7-6471-4DCB-8449-12DAAC546B82@sweattechnologies.com> On 15/02/2013, at 7:09 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > On 13/02/2013 20:53, Monte Goulding wrote: >> >> On 14/02/2013, at 7:48 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: >> >>> Less than 70 peoples to pledge at least for ? 640 ? Seems reasonably impossible, is't ? Do we all needs to act now to encourage confident new pledges along the two for coming weeks ? >> >> Yes... I don't personally understand why the numbers at that level are so low given what a good deal it is even if it were unrelated to going open source and all the benefits that will bring. > > I think it's a good deal - if you want that stuff. I've got Colin's book and the mergExt set, I don't happen to want a mobile phone sleeve, SQL Yoga or Animation Engine, and so on, and while I might want a boxed copy signed by the team, I can't justify spending my company's money on it. Right... I did wonder if this was an issue. Have you seen my statement on mergExt and this level. The mergExt year will be added to the end of your current time so combination of LiveCode + mergExt alone is quite close to the cost of that level. Besides that there are benefits to the kickstarter campaign that you CAN justify as a significant benefit to any company reliant on LiveCode in any way: - the improvements to LiveCode that will be a direct result of the refactoring - the extensibility of the platform enabling you to implement or have implemented more edge cases than is currently possible - the growth in the community which will bring with it many new developers allowing you to subcontract at cheaper rates and/or find local experienced developers - a small down-payment on the many hundreds/thousands of freely contributed hours of development time by open source contributors on the platform you rely on Also there are two extras from me if ? 640 sells out of it's 1000 - I will implement a CoreBluetooth external. If your not sure what you might do with this then take a look at: http://redbearlab.com/bleshield/ - My promise that the mobile sockets funding I have received will be used first to look into the blocker for mobile sockets in the engine then only implement an external as an alternative Then there's the fact that nobody gets any of this stuff if the campaign doesn't succeed. Plus you get the other stuff ;-) Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 14 15:36:36 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:36:36 +1100 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: <1C94A382-FD9E-4EA5-91E8-DAC608246E55@verizon.net> References: <9AA5160F-8AFC-4261-814F-5E0A760EFF82@verizon.net> <511D3F48.8000508@hyperactivesw.com> <1C94A382-FD9E-4EA5-91E8-DAC608246E55@verizon.net> Message-ID: OK, interested to see it. On 15/02/2013, at 7:14 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > They were debating where to post the recording. It was recorded thought. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 14 15:39:22 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:39:22 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?KS=3A_=3E=A3100K?= Message-ID: <285E3F17-C1E9-4BAB-9A0D-7C5621958208@verizon.net> Thanks to a generous ?2,147 that just appeared. 29.13%. From devin_asay at byu.edu Thu Feb 14 15:41:16 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:41:16 +0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kickstarter_=A3100K_milestone_reached!?= Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0100CFCF@Peas2.byu.local> The Kickstarter campaign just topped the ?100K mark. Congrats, RunRev, on a significant milestone. Let's all redouble our efforts (and pledges) to reach the goal! Regards, Devin Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From heather at runrev.com Thu Feb 14 15:52:27 2013 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:52:27 +0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Kickstarter_=A3100K_milestone_reached!?= In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0100CFCF@Peas2.byu.local> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0100CFCF@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <013C999D-9411-45D8-B041-B7ACFF1BB73B@runrev.com> Hear Hear!! We can do it. Heather On 14 Feb 2013, at 20:41, Devin Asay wrote: > The Kickstarter campaign just topped the ?100K mark. Congrats, RunRev, on a significant milestone. Let's all redouble our efforts (and pledges) to reach the goal! > > Regards, > > Devin > > Devin Asay > Office of Digital Humanities > Brigham Young University > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.runrev.com/ Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 14 16:08:17 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: PowerTools push to KickStarter Message-ID: I think Mark S. has a great idea, and I'll see his contribution and raise it a level. We're in the final two weeks of the KickStarter push now. I've had the PowerTools plugin at the introductory price of $30 for a while, so it's about time to raise it to its regular price. I'll do that on 1 March 2013. Until that time it's still at the intro price and I'll put 100% of the sales as an additional contribution to the KickStarter project. If you've been on the fence about contributing to the LiveCode FOSS effort here's a chance to get something extra for your money, and it's yours whether or not the goal is met (although of course we're going to get there). If you've been considering buying the PowerTools plugin to supercharge what you can get done in the IDE, then here's a chance to throw a bit extra towards the KickStarter goal. Everyone's a winner. Of course, you can wait a couple of weeks for the price to go up, but... hey... KickStarter... http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/PowerTools.irev http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/register.irev -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 14 16:16:03 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: KS: =?utf-8?b?PsKjMTAwSw==?= References: <285E3F17-C1E9-4BAB-9A0D-7C5621958208@verizon.net> Message-ID: Colin Holgate writes: > > Thanks to a generous ?2,147 that just appeared. 29.13%. OMG - Lifetime commercial license for a ?2400 contribution. That should get some adrenaline pumping. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Thu Feb 14 16:18:55 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:18:55 -0500 Subject: bug check Message-ID: Could someone else please confirm these for me? I'm building an ios app 1) Edit a script of an object 2) Hit the "Test" button.without first hitting "enter" or saving the change to the script. The indicator for the script status should be yellow LC doesn't ask to save the stack, it seems, and runs the stack in the simulator without the changes. That seems like a bug. Here's another: 1) create a button 2) create a field 3) change the script of the button to answer the bogusproperty of field 1 answer "this is an answer dialog" When testing, no dialog appears for me, even though at least the second one should, even though the property name is bogus in the first case. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From lists at mangomultimedia.com Thu Feb 14 16:25:18 2013 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:25:18 -0500 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <511C14D7.4030704@tweedly.net> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> <511C14D7.4030704@tweedly.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: Planned Open Source Contributions ENGINE - Mobile sockets - engine (Monte) - Nested behaviors so you can set the behavior of a behavior (Monte) - Getting the long id of an icon/pattern given the context of the object it's applied to (Monte) > - Adding a "reverseOffset", "reverseLineOffset", etc. (AlexT) > - Put in the optimization so that "line -1" (line -N) uses the equivalent of reverseOffset > rather than scanning forward through the whole string (AlexT) > (and, stretch goal ... > - invent language and engine code to allow efficient use of sequential lines (or items) of a string > (c.f. repeat for each line L) but in a more general context (AlexT) IDE - VCS integration into the IDE most likely focussed on git & mercurial (Monte) - Work out why the standalone settings won't let you build for mobile and desktop with one stack and fix (Monte) - Fix the bug in the docs stack where you can't type in the search field (Monte) - Fix the script library support in the IDE user extensions and standalone builder (Monte) LIBRARIES + Make SQL Yoga available under a dual license (maybe what Jan did for PDF?) and implementing a readable syntax using Open Language once it is available. (Trevor) -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.clarify-it.com - www.screensteps.com From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 14 16:31:01 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:31:01 +1100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_KS=3A_=3E=A3100K?= In-Reply-To: References: <285E3F17-C1E9-4BAB-9A0D-7C5621958208@verizon.net> Message-ID: On 15/02/2013, at 8:16 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> Thanks to a generous ?2,147 that just appeared. 29.13%. > > OMG - Lifetime commercial license for a ?2400 contribution. > That should get some adrenaline pumping. 3 already .... pushing us very close to 30% -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Feb 14 16:32:18 2013 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:32:18 -0200 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IEtTOiA+ozEwMEs=?= In-Reply-To: References: <285E3F17-C1E9-4BAB-9A0D-7C5621958208@verizon.net> Message-ID: If I had that amount of money, I would buy it in a heart beat but so far, all I could sum up was 702 GBP. :-/ On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 15/02/2013, at 8:16 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > >> Thanks to a generous ?2,147 that just appeared. 29.13%. > > > > OMG - Lifetime commercial license for a ?2400 contribution. > > That should get some adrenaline pumping. > > 3 already .... pushing us very close to 30% > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 14 16:37:46 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:37:46 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> <511C14D7.4030704@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <39ED825C-77A8-4E69-8EB5-E8F83C9670CC@sweattechnologies.com> > LIBRARIES > + Make SQL Yoga available under a dual license (maybe what Jan did for > PDF?) and implementing a readable syntax using Open Language once it is > available. (Trevor) Awesome... I'm very seriously considering the same for mergExt or at least some of it but with apple not allowing GPL I'm not sure if it's helpful for anyone. Andre does this with all his stuff too. I imagine other plugin developers will consider this pathway because of the password protection issue and marketing potential. It really adds a selling point to the education/hobbyist market to not only get the core product for free but lots of addons too. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 14 16:40:28 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:40:28 +1100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_KS=3A_=3E=A3100K?= In-Reply-To: References: <285E3F17-C1E9-4BAB-9A0D-7C5621958208@verizon.net> Message-ID: <477F7B88-0984-4FEF-96C1-6CB525312BFC@sweattechnologies.com> On 15/02/2013, at 8:32 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > If I had that amount of money, I would buy it in a heart beat but so far, > all I could sum up was 702 GBP. :-/ If everyone did what you did Andre the target would be a walk in the park. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 14 16:39:54 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: KS: =?utf-8?b?PsKjMTAwSw==?= References: <285E3F17-C1E9-4BAB-9A0D-7C5621958208@verizon.net> Message-ID: Monte Goulding writes: > 3 already .... pushing us very close to 30% That's 3 per hour. At that rate we'll easily make the goal. Every KickStarter project I've contributed to so far as been successfully funded, and I'm not looking to break the mold now. http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/992065246 -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 16:57:32 2013 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:57:32 +0000 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: <5B0B4E61-51E8-4956-A8A7-9C11705DFAB7@verizon.net> References: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> <1424A94F-99AB-412A-9B73-C443CA313715@sweattechnologies.com> <4B1B1678-436B-4F94-9F1D-D46A3650C71C@sweattechnologies.com> <20F5078B-F080-42D2-844B-AC52F93C0986@me.com> <5B0B4E61-51E8-4956-A8A7-9C11705DFAB7@verizon.net> Message-ID: Peter, this came up on another thread here in the past few days, and it I think the guy who wrote it was fairly new to LiveCode. If you follow the discussion on the forum, he didn't know about things like "repeat for each" optimisations. http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9490&hilit=image+editor&start=75the I don't know if you are writing the blog posts, or you are getting the creator of the app to write them. Bernard On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > A future world where everyone is using LiveCode is also one where more > people will be hired to program in LiveCode. You could invest in your own > future. > > > On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > > > >I can tell you why I haven't pledged. I am out of work! Now if someone > wants to hire me as an in house developer, why that is a different story... > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Feb 14 17:01:48 2013 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:01:48 -0200 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IEtTOiA+ozEwMEs=?= In-Reply-To: References: <285E3F17-C1E9-4BAB-9A0D-7C5621958208@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Monte Goulding writes: > > > 3 already .... pushing us very close to 30% > > That's 3 per hour. At that rate we'll easily make the goal. > > Every KickStarter project I've contributed to so far as been successfully > funded, and I'm not looking to break the mold now. > http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/992065246 > I've been successful with my backings too http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/746206830 > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. From gcanyon at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 17:14:10 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:14:10 -0600 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <19B3DE3D-5FB1-40C8-988C-B5F3DE5073A0@gmail.com> <59A9D689-32F7-4759-975A-808211156F1B@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > In my example I used "each line OF x" rather than "each line IN x". I > often get caught on repeat for each line X IN y when I write OF. Could I > add OF to the repeat syntax so it didn't matter? It seems natural to me > either way. If not then perhaps our syntax should be: > > trim each line in X > The impression I got was that the new language ability would make it fairly simple (or at least possible) to allow for either of or in. I'm right there with you -- I don't actually code that often anymore, but nearly every time I do, I mix up of and in. In my perfect world the prepositions would be interchangeable and likely not significant, so of, in, through, across, within, and maybe others. gc From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 14 17:40:15 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: KS: =?utf-8?b?PsKjMTAwSw==?= References: <285E3F17-C1E9-4BAB-9A0D-7C5621958208@verizon.net> Message-ID: Andre Garzia writes: > I've been successful with my backings too > http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/746206830 oooooo... LightTable... I could have sworn that was on my list as well... must have gotten distracted... -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 14 18:10:43 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: revOnline down again? References: <0133787078.20130214091535@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Kevin Miller writes: > > The team are working on this now. I can assure you this was queue in > response to your ticket and not simply because you posted on here :) ...and I suppose it's also just coincidence that 5.5.4 was released today? Seriously, though, revOnline has been down since the server upgrade and i think it looks bad for key services to be nonfunctional for long periods. I'm annoyed because I've got bug fixes to update and can't do it, but I know it'll get resolved in time. I'm more concerned about showing off everything in its best light at this critical time in the KS project. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Feb 14 18:32:25 2013 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:32:25 -0200 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IEtTOiA+ozEwMEs=?= In-Reply-To: References: <285E3F17-C1E9-4BAB-9A0D-7C5621958208@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Andre Garzia writes: > > > I've been successful with my backings too > > http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/746206830 > > oooooo... LightTable... I could have sworn that was on my list as well... > must > have gotten distracted... > > LightTable is really cool. Its also free. I am learning clojure with it. =) > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. From martyknappster at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 18:50:33 2013 From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:50:33 -0800 Subject: Which Windows 7 Version Message-ID: <511D7849.9070900@gmail.com> I'm wanting to get Windows 7 to install in Parallels on my Mac - mostly for testing LC apps that I'm building. Any recommendations as to which version I should get? Thanks for any input. Best regards, Marty Knapp Knappster Solutions LLC --------------------------- From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Thu Feb 14 19:48:39 2013 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:48:39 -0800 Subject: Valentine's Day 2013: Paradigma Releases Free Valentina Studio 5; Valentina 5 Enterprise & Reports Server Message-ID: <18C3A70445A34E73841ABE9157300195@GATEWAY> Hey all, Scroll down for the full monty press release, and yes, it really has been 15 years :-) Here's the short form, first for FREE stuff: - We've released Valentina Studio 5 for free. It's received a year of polishing, and now works with MySQL, Postgre, SQLite and of course, Valentina. Yes, for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X. Previously sold for $99. Its free, tell your friends! - We've released our free version of Valentina Server 5, also as powerful as ever, for 32/64 bit Windows, Linux and Mac OS X. Not just for DBs! Valentina Server integrates our Valentina Reports Server, and that works with all dbs listed above. - Free Client for LiveCode. Connect your Livecode apps to Valentina Server. Plus there are 18+ others. Now for the $$$ products: - Valentina Studio Pro, includes all features of Studio + SQLDIFF, Query Builder, Report Designer/Editor, ODBC import/export, Visual DB Diagramming, etc. $199. -Valentina DB ADK & Valentina DB ADK The ADKs add local storage / reports for your applications in cooperation with the client components. $199 per ADK. - Valentina Server Full commercial version of Reports & Database, multi-levels, adds journaling, plus a long list of features (see below). This is our core technology which is exponentially faster when you are looking to handle millions of records. Supports PHP, Ruby on Rails (and before you ask, now that we have released it, we can look at LiveCode Server support). Starts at $0, then $299 and up. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ================================================================== Beaverton, Oregon - Celebrating 15 years of Valentina, Paradigma Software announces the release of Valentina Server 5, the enterprise class reports and database server and the free Valentina Studio 5 database management and administration solution for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux. Valentina Server 5 is a robust enterprise reports and database server, that allows reports to be served from many database sources, including MySQL, Postgre, SQLite and Valentina DB. Valentina Server 5 also incorporates the object-relational, columnar database Valentina DB. Serve flexible, beautiful reports that include grids, charts, graphs, images, barcodes and other visual elements, with API support for exporting reports as XML enriched PDFs, images, web pages and more. 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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 14 21:43:12 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:43:12 -0600 Subject: bug check In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <511DA0C0.1090806@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/14/13 3:18 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > Could someone else please confirm these for me? > > I'm building an ios app > 1) Edit a script of an object > 2) Hit the "Test" button.without first hitting "enter" or saving the change > to the script. The indicator for the script status should be yellow > > LC doesn't ask to save the stack, it seems, and runs the stack in the > simulator without the changes. That seems like a bug. It's the same behavior the script editor always has. If you don't compile, LiveCode is happy to run the old version. Whether that's a bug or not, I don't know, but it's consistent. > > Here's another: > 1) create a button > 2) create a field > 3) change the script of the button to > answer the bogusproperty of field 1 > answer "this is an answer dialog" > > When testing, no dialog appears for me, even though at least the second one > should, even though the property name is bogus in the first case. > It's acting as though the script has thrown an error and aborted. But if the property doesn't exist, it should be answering empty. Maybe wrapping it in a try structure would give a clue in the catch statement. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 14 21:51:27 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:51:27 -0500 Subject: 30% Message-ID: 30.01%, thanks to another of those ?315 pledges. From gerry.orkin at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 21:52:15 2013 From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:52:15 +1100 Subject: bug check In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh yeah. That's an old one. Gerry On 15/02/2013, at 8:18 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > LC doesn't ask to save the stack, it seems, and runs the stack in the > simulator without the changes. That seems like a bug. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 14 21:59:17 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:59:17 +1100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_KS=3A_=3E=A3100K?= In-Reply-To: References: <285E3F17-C1E9-4BAB-9A0D-7C5621958208@verizon.net> Message-ID: <6CEDBF81-E2C7-45F9-9B86-558EC5E948F2@sweattechnologies.com> 30% wohoo! On 15/02/2013, at 8:31 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > 3 already .... pushing us very close to 30% -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From peterwawood at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 22:34:00 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:34:00 +0800 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: References: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> <1424A94F-99AB-412A-9B73-C443CA313715@sweattechnologies.com> <4B1B1678-436B-4F94-9F1D-D46A3650C71C@sweattechnologies.com> <20F5078B-F080-42D2-844B-AC52F93C0986@me.com> <5B0B4E61-51E8-4956-A8A7-9C11705DFAB7@verizon.net> Message-ID: Bernard I need the creator of the app to write the posts, I can't tell the story behind them from a screenshot. I merely edit them so that the have a common look and feel. Peter On 15 Feb 2013, at 05:57, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Peter, this came up on another thread here in the past few days, and it I > think the guy who wrote it was fairly new to LiveCode. If you follow the > discussion on the forum, he didn't know about things like "repeat for each" > optimisations. > > http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9490&hilit=image+editor&start=75the > > I don't know if you are writing the blog posts, or you are getting the > creator of the app to write them. > > Bernard > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> A future world where everyone is using LiveCode is also one where more >> people will be hired to program in LiveCode. You could invest in your own >> future. >> >> >> On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: >> >>>> I can tell you why I haven't pledged. I am out of work! Now if someone >> wants to hire me as an in house developer, why that is a different story... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From peterwawood at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 22:36:57 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 11:36:57 +0800 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: <20F5078B-F080-42D2-844B-AC52F93C0986@me.com> References: <2834F857-00A7-4573-A409-DAFB0BAF1BFD@gmail.com> <1424A94F-99AB-412A-9B73-C443CA313715@sweattechnologies.com> <4B1B1678-436B-4F94-9F1D-D46A3650C71C@sweattechnologies.com> <20F5078B-F080-42D2-844B-AC52F93C0986@me.com> Message-ID: Bob Good luck with the job hunting. It wold be great if you could get a new one by the end of the month. Perhaps you could think about contributing a screen shot of something you've written in LiveCode. I'm sure the 1001 things you can do with LiveCode blog can help interest others in LiveCode so that they will make a pledge. It could also be a little publicity for you. Peter On 15 Feb 2013, at 02:10, Robert Sneidar wrote: > I can tell you why I haven't pledged. I am out of work! Now if someone wants to hire me as an in house developer, why that is a different story... > > Bob > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> >> On 14/02/2013, at 7:48 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: >> >>> Less than 70 peoples to pledge at least for ? 640 ? Seems reasonably impossible, is't ? Do we all needs to act now to encourage confident new pledges along the two for coming weeks ? >> >> Yes... I don't personally understand why the numbers at that level are so low given what a good deal it is even if it were unrelated to going open source and all the benefits that will bring. >> >> -- >> Monte Goulding >> >> M E R Goulding - software development services >> mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From peterwawood at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 00:04:27 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:04:27 +0800 Subject: Please can you help increase the number of visitors to 1001 things to do with LiveCode Message-ID: On Wednesday, there were 301 page views of "1001 things to do with LiveCode'. Yesterday, it went up to 500. I hope that the number of page views will increase every day until at least the end of the LiveCode Open Source Kickstarter campaign. I'd really appreciate any help you could give me in getting people to visit the site - a link on your website, a mention on Facebook, a tweet on Twitter, an update on LinkedIn. The more people from outside the LiveCode community we can enthuse about LiveCode by sparking their ideas on what they could do with LiveCode the better. Some of them will then be motivated to join in the Kickstarter campaign. For this to work we must try and turn this trickle of views into an avalanche. Can you help me by pushing my "snowball" a little down the slope. If we can get it up to speed, it will start growing rapidly on its own. Peter PS Once again thanks for all the contributions. Please don't be shy if you haven't sent me a screenshot yet, there's still plenty of time. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 15 01:02:47 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:02:47 +1100 Subject: Please can you help increase the number of visitors to 1001 things to do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83320990-DA99-442F-BD8F-70277B31B5C0@sweattechnologies.com> I just facebooked it. You should probably put the kickstarter widget on there. On 15/02/2013, at 4:04 PM, Peter W A Wood wrote: > On Wednesday, there were 301 page views of "1001 things to do with LiveCode'. Yesterday, it went up to 500. I hope that the number of page views will increase every day until at least the end of the LiveCode Open Source Kickstarter campaign. > > I'd really appreciate any help you could give me in getting people to visit the site - a link on your website, a mention on Facebook, a tweet on Twitter, an update on LinkedIn. The more people from outside the LiveCode community we can enthuse about LiveCode by sparking their ideas on what they could do with LiveCode the better. Some of them will then be motivated to join in the Kickstarter campaign. > > For this to work we must try and turn this trickle of views into an avalanche. Can you help me by pushing my "snowball" a little down the slope. If we can get it up to speed, it will start growing rapidly on its own. > > Peter > > PS Once again thanks for all the contributions. Please don't be shy if you haven't sent me a screenshot yet, there's still plenty of time. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 15 01:52:42 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:52:42 +1100 Subject: [ANN] mergExt -> iOS 6.1 Message-ID: Hi LiveCoders I have just uploaded new versions of all 23 of my externals to include device and simulator builds for iOS 6.1. I have also updated my builds of the RunRev externals available (along with mergMicrophone my open source version of rremicrophone and mergAnswerColor) under a free account at mergExt.com. Don't forget that all these externals are included as part of the ?640 pledge level rewards. Cheers Monte -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Feb 15 03:01:29 2013 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:01:29 +0100 Subject: AW: put the qtversion crashes In-Reply-To: <289B14CD-46F1-47DA-942A-D46EE2139067@me.com> References: <004801cdff9c$c784c280$568e4780$@de> <289B14CD-46F1-47DA-942A-D46EE2139067@me.com> Message-ID: <002f01ce0b52$a9c18960$fd449c20$@de> Hi Bob, I've wrapped the qtversion in a try catch in my next version, but with all current version out there I still have this issue. Just yesterday again I had another customer (Win 7 Ultimate 64, other customes were XP,...). On the first start of my program I check for qtversion and I pop up a message to install QT please... After the install of QT my program crashes only. Deinstalling QT three times, reinstalling it (as Admin) three times again, with or without virus scanner, having sufficient RAM, starting as Admin, etc. nothing helped, my program couldn't get to start anymore without total crash. Reinstalling windows probably would solve the problem, but I haven't met any customer yet who was ready to do that, they better rejected my program and complain about the bad quality of my software. I wonder if there are no other bells and whistles to check for a full QT installation? Am I the only one making theses experiences with QT? No experiences and tricks? Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag > von Robert Sneidar > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Januar 2013 19:16 > An: How to use LiveCode > Betreff: Re: put the qtversion crashes > > Wrap the code into try catch and see if that crashes. Just a thot. It may > still. It sounds like the mechanism for querying for Quicktime is doing > something external to the app that is making the OS wiggy. > > Bob > > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 2:21 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I have a customer, where my program just crashes on windows when > > asking for > > quicktime: "put the qtversion" and quicktime is not installed. > > > > Usually this works without any problems, but this specific customer > > tried to install my program on three different Windows machines (XP) > > and it crashed on all three machines as far quicktime was not > > installed. After quicktime was installed, everything was fine. > > > > Any idea what is going on here? Any similar experiences? > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From peterwawood at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 03:12:08 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:12:08 +0800 Subject: Please can you help increase the number of visitors to 1001 things to do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: <83320990-DA99-442F-BD8F-70277B31B5C0@sweattechnologies.com> References: <83320990-DA99-442F-BD8F-70277B31B5C0@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <5E8657BE-1F50-44B1-90F4-B9B76C9C32A5@gmail.com> Thanks Monte. I've added the small Kickstarter image linked to the Kickstarter Project Home Page. Blogger wouldn't let me simply embed the widget and I don't have time to mess with the Blogger template at the moment. Peter On 15 Feb 2013, at 14:02, Monte Goulding wrote: > I just facebooked it. You should probably put the kickstarter widget on there. > > On 15/02/2013, at 4:04 PM, Peter W A Wood wrote: > >> On Wednesday, there were 301 page views of "1001 things to do with LiveCode'. Yesterday, it went up to 500. I hope that the number of page views will increase every day until at least the end of the LiveCode Open Source Kickstarter campaign. >> >> I'd really appreciate any help you could give me in getting people to visit the site - a link on your website, a mention on Facebook, a tweet on Twitter, an update on LinkedIn. The more people from outside the LiveCode community we can enthuse about LiveCode by sparking their ideas on what they could do with LiveCode the better. Some of them will then be motivated to join in the Kickstarter campaign. >> >> For this to work we must try and turn this trickle of views into an avalanche. Can you help me by pushing my "snowball" a little down the slope. If we can get it up to speed, it will start growing rapidly on its own. >> >> Peter >> >> PS Once again thanks for all the contributions. Please don't be shy if you haven't sent me a screenshot yet, there's still plenty of time. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From heather at runrev.com Fri Feb 15 03:16:51 2013 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:16:51 +0000 Subject: Please can you help increase the number of visitors to 1001 things to do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: <5E8657BE-1F50-44B1-90F4-B9B76C9C32A5@gmail.com> References: <83320990-DA99-442F-BD8F-70277B31B5C0@sweattechnologies.com> <5E8657BE-1F50-44B1-90F4-B9B76C9C32A5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <563D6186-510E-4E0A-A42D-9F179D447F95@runrev.com> Mmm I think its slightly broken the page. Its displaying weirdly for me now, in chrome on Mac. If you want a screenshot drop me a line off list. Other than that, I am *loving* this blog. It's an excellent way to show all the many things people do with LiveCode, and I will feature it in the next newsletter for sure. Good Work! Heather On 15 Feb 2013, at 08:12, Peter W A Wood wrote: > Thanks Monte. I've added the small Kickstarter image linked to the Kickstarter Project Home Page. Blogger wouldn't let me simply embed the widget and I don't have time to mess with the Blogger template at the moment. > > Peter > > On 15 Feb 2013, at 14:02, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> I just facebooked it. You should probably put the kickstarter widget on there. >> >> On 15/02/2013, at 4:04 PM, Peter W A Wood wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, there were 301 page views of "1001 things to do with LiveCode'. Yesterday, it went up to 500. I hope that the number of page views will increase every day until at least the end of the LiveCode Open Source Kickstarter campaign. >>> >>> I'd really appreciate any help you could give me in getting people to visit the site - a link on your website, a mention on Facebook, a tweet on Twitter, an update on LinkedIn. The more people from outside the LiveCode community we can enthuse about LiveCode by sparking their ideas on what they could do with LiveCode the better. Some of them will then be motivated to join in the Kickstarter campaign. >>> >>> For this to work we must try and turn this trickle of views into an avalanche. Can you help me by pushing my "snowball" a little down the slope. If we can get it up to speed, it will start growing rapidly on its own. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> PS Once again thanks for all the contributions. Please don't be shy if you haven't sent me a screenshot yet, there's still plenty of time. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.runrev.com/ Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode From peterwawood at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 03:23:40 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:23:40 +0800 Subject: Please can you help increase the number of visitors to 1001 things to do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: <563D6186-510E-4E0A-A42D-9F179D447F95@runrev.com> References: <83320990-DA99-442F-BD8F-70277B31B5C0@sweattechnologies.com> <5E8657BE-1F50-44B1-90F4-B9B76C9C32A5@gmail.com> <563D6186-510E-4E0A-A42D-9F179D447F95@runrev.com> Message-ID: <4EFC6EF3-E120-4249-99CF-3EB3E8A563F0@gmail.com> Could you check again please Heather in case the weird display was when I was adding the Kickstarter image. It looks okay for me in Safari and FireFox on the Mac and Chrome under Windows. If it's still weird, I would appreciate a screenshot. Thanks Peter On 15 Feb 2013, at 16:16, Heather Laine wrote: > Mmm I think its slightly broken the page. Its displaying weirdly for me now, in chrome on Mac. If you want a screenshot drop me a line off list. > > Other than that, I am *loving* this blog. It's an excellent way to show all the many things people do with LiveCode, and I will feature it in the next newsletter for sure. > > Good Work! > > Heather > > On 15 Feb 2013, at 08:12, Peter W A Wood wrote: > >> Thanks Monte. I've added the small Kickstarter image linked to the Kickstarter Project Home Page. Blogger wouldn't let me simply embed the widget and I don't have time to mess with the Blogger template at the moment. >> >> Peter >> >> On 15 Feb 2013, at 14:02, Monte Goulding wrote: >> >>> I just facebooked it. You should probably put the kickstarter widget on there. >>> >>> On 15/02/2013, at 4:04 PM, Peter W A Wood wrote: >>> >>>> On Wednesday, there were 301 page views of "1001 things to do with LiveCode'. Yesterday, it went up to 500. I hope that the number of page views will increase every day until at least the end of the LiveCode Open Source Kickstarter campaign. >>>> >>>> I'd really appreciate any help you could give me in getting people to visit the site - a link on your website, a mention on Facebook, a tweet on Twitter, an update on LinkedIn. The more people from outside the LiveCode community we can enthuse about LiveCode by sparking their ideas on what they could do with LiveCode the better. Some of them will then be motivated to join in the Kickstarter campaign. >>>> >>>> For this to work we must try and turn this trickle of views into an avalanche. Can you help me by pushing my "snowball" a little down the slope. If we can get it up to speed, it will start growing rapidly on its own. >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> PS Once again thanks for all the contributions. Please don't be shy if you haven't sent me a screenshot yet, there's still plenty of time. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> -- >>> M E R Goulding >>> Software development services >>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >>> >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > Heather Laine > Customer Services Manager > http://www.runrev.com/ > Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From heather at runrev.com Fri Feb 15 05:01:11 2013 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:01:11 +0000 Subject: Please can you help increase the number of visitors to 1001 things to do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: <4EFC6EF3-E120-4249-99CF-3EB3E8A563F0@gmail.com> References: <83320990-DA99-442F-BD8F-70277B31B5C0@sweattechnologies.com> <5E8657BE-1F50-44B1-90F4-B9B76C9C32A5@gmail.com> <563D6186-510E-4E0A-A42D-9F179D447F95@runrev.com> <4EFC6EF3-E120-4249-99CF-3EB3E8A563F0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5F40EE29-DA29-4A8A-9D3E-3FBAB8EC5EEF@runrev.com> Checked, perfect. I guess I looked at it while you were editing :). On with the show! Regards, Heather On 15 Feb 2013, at 08:23, Peter W A Wood wrote: > Could you check again please Heather in case the weird display was when I was adding the Kickstarter image. It looks okay for me in Safari and FireFox on the Mac and Chrome under Windows. If it's still weird, I would appreciate a screenshot. > > Thanks > > Peter > > On 15 Feb 2013, at 16:16, Heather Laine wrote: > >> Mmm I think its slightly broken the page. Its displaying weirdly for me now, in chrome on Mac. If you want a screenshot drop me a line off list. >> >> Other than that, I am *loving* this blog. It's an excellent way to show all the many things people do with LiveCode, and I will feature it in the next newsletter for sure. >> >> Good Work! >> >> Heather >> >> On 15 Feb 2013, at 08:12, Peter W A Wood wrote: >> >>> Thanks Monte. I've added the small Kickstarter image linked to the Kickstarter Project Home Page. Blogger wouldn't let me simply embed the widget and I don't have time to mess with the Blogger template at the moment. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> On 15 Feb 2013, at 14:02, Monte Goulding wrote: >>> >>>> I just facebooked it. You should probably put the kickstarter widget on there. >>>> >>>> On 15/02/2013, at 4:04 PM, Peter W A Wood wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, there were 301 page views of "1001 things to do with LiveCode'. Yesterday, it went up to 500. I hope that the number of page views will increase every day until at least the end of the LiveCode Open Source Kickstarter campaign. >>>>> >>>>> I'd really appreciate any help you could give me in getting people to visit the site - a link on your website, a mention on Facebook, a tweet on Twitter, an update on LinkedIn. The more people from outside the LiveCode community we can enthuse about LiveCode by sparking their ideas on what they could do with LiveCode the better. Some of them will then be motivated to join in the Kickstarter campaign. >>>>> >>>>> For this to work we must try and turn this trickle of views into an avalanche. Can you help me by pushing my "snowball" a little down the slope. If we can get it up to speed, it will start growing rapidly on its own. >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> PS Once again thanks for all the contributions. Please don't be shy if you haven't sent me a screenshot yet, there's still plenty of time. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> -- >>>> M E R Goulding >>>> Software development services >>>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >>>> >>>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> Heather Laine >> Customer Services Manager >> http://www.runrev.com/ >> Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.runrev.com/ Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Feb 15 06:02:53 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 03:02:53 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Possible NorCal Users Group/LiveCode Intro Meetup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello LiveCoders: The LiveCode meetup at Google is on! The date will be Monday Feb 25, 6:30 ? 8:30PM PST. Google headquarters is located in Mountain View CA, near the 101 freeway. Directions to the actual building will be provided once the room is finalized (Google owns a lot of buildings). A few folks have asked about the possibility of doing remote presentations and/or listening in. We're waiting to find out what services Google can provide. Worst case, we might try to arrange some kind of Ustream or similar connection. More details to come. The current plan for the event is two parts: the first 30 - 45 min or so will be allotted for an informal introduction to LiveCode for folks who haven't used the platform or have questions about it. The remaining time is available for you to share a project you're working on and/or discuss your development issues. (I have a few things myself that I think folks might be interested in seeing.) If you would like to make a presentation, please contact me off list so I can arrange a schedule. Free registration for the event is setup here: http://livecode-meetup-sfbayarea.eventbrite.com/ To the folks who contacted me directly, please use the above form so we can keep track of the number of people attending. Looking forward to meeting up :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From: Scott Rossi Date: Saturday, February 2, 2013 4:26 PM To: LiveCode Mail List Cc: LiveCode Mail List Subject: [ANN] Possible NorCal Users Group/LiveCode Intro Meetup > Are any of you LiveCode developers located in Northern California? > > Would you be interested in attending a LiveCode meetup in the hub of Silicon > Valley? > > Over the last several months, I've had discussions with a Google colleague of > mine about the possibility of having Google host a LiveCode meetup. Google > often hosts outside events/activities, and while my friend was willing to help > facilitate an event, he was unable to find the proper channels. Yesterday, > some new info came to light, and we may be able to arrange such an event. > > My original hope was simply to arrange a central location for a user group > meeting. But with RunRev's recent open source goal announcement, it occurred > to me that this could also be an opportunity to provide a LiveCode > introduction for folks who want more info, from developers who actually use > the platform. Google's Mountain View campus is centrally located in > California's Silicon Valley, so it's a prime location for such an event. From larsbrehmer at mac.com Fri Feb 15 06:35:01 2013 From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:35:01 +0200 Subject: Question about textFont in Livecode Message-ID: <40C73F9F-C10A-4D05-A189-014027FF662E@mac.com> I seem to have a problem with Livecode vs. RunRev and textFont. In RunRev stacks, I could have some fields with the textFont set to "Arial,Russian" and others set to "Arial." Tabbing between these fields (or simply clicking in them) would change the keyboard from English to Russian and back. Now Livecode handles unicode differently, and while I for the most part get it, I can't get the keyboard to switch between English and Russian, which means each time a filed is focused I have to manually switch the keyboard. There must be a simply way to correct this, but I can't find it. What am I missing? Cheers, Lars From dunbarx at aol.com Fri Feb 15 08:50:36 2013 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:50:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Question about textFont in Livecode In-Reply-To: <40C73F9F-C10A-4D05-A189-014027FF662E@mac.com> References: <40C73F9F-C10A-4D05-A189-014027FF662E@mac.com> Message-ID: <8CFD99A90F5F47D-175C-D2B@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> Hi. I never even knew this was an option. But you are right, in a v3.5 stack, the textFont can be set to both a fontName and a language, and the field text follows faithfully, In v.5.3, only the font is set. Someone? Or is this a bug? Craig Newman -----Original Message----- From: Lars Brehmer To: use-livecode Sent: Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:35 am Subject: Question about textFont in Livecode I seem to have a problem with Livecode vs. RunRev and textFont. In RunRev stacks, I could have some fields with the textFont set to "Arial,Russian" and others set to "Arial." Tabbing between these fields (or simply clicking in them) would change the keyboard from English to Russian and back. Now Livecode handles unicode differently, and while I for the most part get it, I can't get the keyboard to switch between English and Russian, which means each time a filed is focused I have to manually switch the keyboard. There must be a simply way to correct this, but I can't find it. What am I missing? Cheers, Lars _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Fri Feb 15 08:50:00 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:50:00 -0500 Subject: bug check In-Reply-To: <511DA0C0.1090806@hyperactivesw.com> References: <511DA0C0.1090806@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: The thing that's annoying about the script update is that LC knows when any other changes are made to a stack, and asks if you want to save them, but not for a script. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/14/13 3:18 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > >> Could someone else please confirm these for me? >> >> I'm building an ios app >> 1) Edit a script of an object >> 2) Hit the "Test" button.without first hitting "enter" or saving the >> change >> to the script. The indicator for the script status should be yellow >> >> LC doesn't ask to save the stack, it seems, and runs the stack in the >> simulator without the changes. That seems like a bug. >> > > It's the same behavior the script editor always has. If you don't compile, > LiveCode is happy to run the old version. Whether that's a bug or not, I > don't know, but it's consistent. > > > >> Here's another: >> 1) create a button >> 2) create a field >> 3) change the script of the button to >> answer the bogusproperty of field 1 >> answer "this is an answer dialog" >> >> When testing, no dialog appears for me, even though at least the second >> one >> should, even though the property name is bogus in the first case. >> >> > It's acting as though the script has thrown an error and aborted. But if > the property doesn't exist, it should be answering empty. Maybe wrapping it > in a try structure would give a clue in the catch statement. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From larsbrehmer at mac.com Fri Feb 15 10:04:02 2013 From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:04:02 +0200 Subject: Mac App Submit Message-ID: <0FCBD95C-82E8-4D40-9F9F-F54983B3C414@mac.com> I am trying to submit an app to the Mac App Store. I am one of those Livecode users who only know Livecode - no Xcode, no C++, just Livecode, so this is a bit daunting to say the least. I am following this article "http://runrev.com/newsletter/june/issue112/newsletter4.php" step by step. It was posted in a Livecode Newsletter a few months ago. So far so good until this; > Edit Info.plist to include information not automatically inserted by LiveCode. "Info.plist" is in the "Contents" folder inside the application package. Double click on "Info.plist" to open it with "Property List Editor" (provided in the Apple Developer tools assuming you installed those). It opens in Xcode, not "Property List Editor." > Change the view to display the raw key values. In the "View" menu select the "Show Raw Keys/Values" menu item. In the Xcode menu bar there is Editor>Show Raw Key Values, so I choose it > Select the key "Information Property List" and press the "Add Child" button. The Plist window doesn't look like the one in the article, but hovering over "Information Property List" a little + button appears, which I assume is like the Add Child in the picture in the article. > A list of possible keys to add will be displayed, because it is not in the list, manually type "LSApplicationCategoryType". "LSApplicationCategory" IS in the list so I choose it. > For the value enter the previously chosen Mac App Store Application Category Type from the list of allowed category types provided by Apple. For this example we are entering "public.app-category.entertainment". Save your changes. I add this value manually and save, but when I close and reopen it the changes age gone. So I am confused why my editor window looks different and doesn't seem to save changes. I have searched my drive for "Property List Editor" - nothing The Developer tools folder only contains and uninstaller. I searched Apple Downloads for "Developer Tools" 150 results, no "Property List Editor," nothng by Apple called "developer Tools." I searched the App Store for Developer Tools and get an handful of results, the only one from Apple is Xcode, which I already have installed. I have heard that actually submitting an App is complex and hard, but I can't even get far enough to try it! Help would be very appreciated, as always! Cheers, Lars From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 15 10:34:01 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:34:01 -0500 Subject: Mac App Submit In-Reply-To: <0FCBD95C-82E8-4D40-9F9F-F54983B3C414@mac.com> References: <0FCBD95C-82E8-4D40-9F9F-F54983B3C414@mac.com> Message-ID: I just went through the steps, and what you say here is confusing: >> >> For the value enter the previously chosen Mac App Store Application Category Type from the list of allowed category types provided by Apple. For this example we are entering "public.app-category.entertainment". Save your changes. > > I add this value manually and save, but when I close and reopen it the changes age gone. You don't manually add "Mac App Store Application Category Type", you choose from the menu an item that matches the Mac App Store category that you have previously claimed the app to be. So for example, in my test I chose "public.app-category.developer-tools". The save and reopen worked fine, but note that when you reopen you're no longer in Raw Keys/Values. The thing you added will show as "Application Category" with a value on the lines of "Developer Tools". By the way, you can completely skip the raw keys steps, just let it stay in the easy looking English version, add in an "Application Category", and choose from the easy to understand category list. Also, yes, the article is out of date, for a while now Xcode has taken over editing plists, there is no Property List Editor anymore. From livfoss at mac.com Fri Feb 15 11:56:43 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:56:43 +0100 Subject: Build-time v Run-time Message-ID: <93D00F20-071C-4C26-A1B3-D2733E1E2208@mac.com> Another naive questions, but this hasn't happened to me before, or at least I haven't recognised it properly. I'm looking at some code written by an associate. As normal (to me) it's a mainstack and a lot of substacks. I want to tinker with the code, so I open the mainstack in the LC IDE, and immediately the program starts to run, even though the Edit tool is active in the toolbar rather than the Browse tool - it starts up and does stuff, like the IDE does. I don't want that, I want the code to remain entirely passive until I tell it to run! How does a stack get into 'instant run mode' like that, and what can I do to stop it? Is there some way of creeping up on it so that no handler is executed? Actually I noticed that Thierry's Kickstarter monitoring program does the same thing, but I still don't understand it, even tho it only has a few lines of script. What apparently happens is that the preOpenCard handler is executed when the file is opened, but why? Dumb again Graham From klaus at major.on-rev.com Fri Feb 15 12:05:26 2013 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:05:26 +0100 Subject: Build-time v Run-time In-Reply-To: <93D00F20-071C-4C26-A1B3-D2733E1E2208@mac.com> References: <93D00F20-071C-4C26-A1B3-D2733E1E2208@mac.com> Message-ID: <6AA2C59A-9A53-493A-8710-EBE560E2CE27@major.on-rev.com> Hi Graham, Am 15.02.2013 um 17:56 schrieb Graham Samuel : > Another naive questions, but this hasn't happened to me before, or at least I haven't recognised it properly. > > I'm looking at some code written by an associate. As normal (to me) it's a mainstack and a lot of substacks. I want to tinker with the code, so I open the mainstack in the LC IDE, and immediately the program starts to run, even though the Edit tool is active in the toolbar rather than the Browse tool - it starts up and does stuff, like the IDE does. I don't want that, I want the code to remain entirely passive until I tell it to run! > > How does a stack get into 'instant run mode' like that, and what can I do to stop it? Is there some way of creeping up on it so that no handler is executed? > > Actually I noticed that Thierry's Kickstarter monitoring program does the same thing, but I still don't understand it, even tho it only has a few lines of script. What apparently happens is that the preOpenCard handler is executed when the file is opened, but why? when you open a stack, all "pre-/open-stack/card" handlers will be executed, no matter what the current "tool" is! You can "lock messages" before opening a stack to prevent this: ... lock messages go stack "path/to/stack" ... Or select "Suppress messages" in the "development" menu in Livecode before opening that stack. Which does the same. And don't forget to switch it back afterwards! ;-) Hope that helps. > Dumb again > > Graham Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From livfoss at mac.com Fri Feb 15 12:18:42 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:18:42 +0100 Subject: Build-time v Run-time In-Reply-To: <6AA2C59A-9A53-493A-8710-EBE560E2CE27@major.on-rev.com> References: <93D00F20-071C-4C26-A1B3-D2733E1E2208@mac.com> <6AA2C59A-9A53-493A-8710-EBE560E2CE27@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <130E8E70-2E48-4664-B5EC-9F2C4E6AEB3A@mac.com> Thanks Klaus. I guess I didn't encounter this because I always begin my apps with a 'startUp' handler - these are not executed when a stack is loaded into the IDE, but they are when a standalone is loaded. One can test the logic by doing 'send "startUp" to...'. I do use preOpenCard handlers but usually in distant cards which are only opened under program control. Funny I didn't realise this after all this time. Thanks again. Graham On 15 Feb 2013, at 18:05, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Graham, > > Am 15.02.2013 um 17:56 schrieb Graham Samuel : > >> Another naive questions, but this hasn't happened to me before, or at least I haven't recognised it properly. >> >> I'm looking at some code written by an associate. As normal (to me) it's a mainstack and a lot of substacks. I want to tinker with the code, so I open the mainstack in the LC IDE, and immediately the program starts to run, even though the Edit tool is active in the toolbar rather than the Browse tool - it starts up and does stuff, like the IDE does. I don't want that, I want the code to remain entirely passive until I tell it to run! >> >> How does a stack get into 'instant run mode' like that, and what can I do to stop it? Is there some way of creeping up on it so that no handler is executed? >> >> Actually I noticed that Thierry's Kickstarter monitoring program does the same thing, but I still don't understand it, even tho it only has a few lines of script. What apparently happens is that the preOpenCard handler is executed when the file is opened, but why? > > when you open a stack, all "pre-/open-stack/card" handlers will be executed, no matter what the current "tool" is! > You can "lock messages" before opening a stack to prevent this: > ... > lock messages > go stack "path/to/stack" > ... > > Or select "Suppress messages" in the "development" menu in Livecode before opening that stack. > Which does the same. > > And don't forget to switch it back afterwards! ;-) > > Hope that helps. > >> Dumb again >> >> Graham > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rjb at robelko.com Fri Feb 15 12:23:54 2013 From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:23:54 +0100 Subject: Build-time v Run-time In-Reply-To: <93D00F20-071C-4C26-A1B3-D2733E1E2208@mac.com> References: <93D00F20-071C-4C26-A1B3-D2733E1E2208@mac.com> Message-ID: On 15.02.2013 at 17:56 Uhr +0100 Graham Samuel apparently wrote: >Another naive questions, but this hasn't happened to me before, or >at least I haven't recognised it properly. > >I'm looking at some code written by an associate. As normal (to me) >it's a mainstack and a lot of substacks. I want to tinker with the >code, so I open the mainstack in the LC IDE, and immediately the >program starts to run, even though the Edit tool is active in the >toolbar rather than the Browse tool - it starts up and does stuff, >like the IDE does. I don't want that, I want the code to remain >entirely passive until I tell it to run! > >How does a stack get into 'instant run mode' like that, and what can >I do to stop it? Is there some way of creeping up on it so that no >handler is executed? > Apparently, your associate coded something in one of the openXxxx handlers to start execution. Those handlers run regardless of the IDE mode. To achieve what you want, the code should check the environment (look it up in the dictionary) and do not execute if it is "development". If you want to be able to execute after all, to simulate standalone execution, you may add checking whether the alt key is down, and if it is down, execute regardless of the environment. Robert From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 15 12:52:28 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:52:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: OT. Kickstart Union of Genius Message-ID: I want to take this opportunity to plug another Kickstarter project now that it's into its last 48 hours. It's not entirely OT since it's in Edinburgh . Union of Genius is a cafe that has met their original KS funding goals and a few stretch goals, including providing soup in perpetuity to Edinburgh's Care Van. I'm proud to be a supporter, and if you've got extra cash after supporting LC's Kickstarter project, do think about sending some their way in the next couple of days. I'll be happily making my way over to Union of Genius for a bowl of soup at the conference in May. Yum. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Feb 15 12:53:20 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:53:20 -0800 Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D04BFD5-54D0-4EFB-A6A6-F2D73B0C5350@me.com> On the one hand, I can see that the interface needs spiffying up. On the other hand, one could argue it is the poster child of simplicity. I bet if you asked the end users if they wanted a prettier interface, but it might cost them some actual screen real estate in terms of how much data it could display at a time, they would decline. Bob On Feb 13, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Judy Perry wrote: > On Tue, 12 Feb 2013, Mark Wieder wrote: >> Peter M. Brigham writes: >> >>> http://tinyurl.com/cf35nrr >> >> Yow! That is one *ugly* interface. I'd just as soon not advertise that as our >> poster child. > > You think that's an ugly UI? Do you get out much? ;-) > > Judy > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From nigels at amglighthouse.co.za Fri Feb 15 13:04:48 2013 From: nigels at amglighthouse.co.za (Nigel Soden) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:04:48 +0200 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode Message-ID: <64F3B3F6-B6E3-4F5C-93B4-D45169FBCDAD@amglighthouse.co.za> Greetings I'm currently developing an Estate Agent application that'll be used on iPad's, its not pretty at this stage but I've got a couple of screen dumps I can provide if you wish. Nigel From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Feb 15 13:14:22 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:14:22 -0800 Subject: Campaign update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What about the people over at the Landsat project? If they haven't pledged so far, it wouldn't take much convincing to get them to see the huge advantage for them! A perpetual Livecode would be right up their alley! Bob On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:54 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > Thanks for this. If you know any editors or bloggers you can continue to > message them about us. I don't mean spam them, I just mean gentle > pressure. Some of these folks are incredibly busy and need a little > followup. We will also be releasing a new news story shortly (this one is > about education which will help in some circles). We're on the lookout for > any more news angles or hooks we can announce and will have more soon. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > > > > > On 14/02/2013 14:50, "Mark Schonewille" > wrote: > >> Thanks, Kevin. Any ideas of what we could do to get more coverage >> outside the LC community, besides what is already listed? >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Schonewille >> >> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering >> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer >> KvK: 50277553 >> >> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other >> colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com >> >> We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a >> quote. >> >> On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send >> an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try >> again. >> >> On 2/14/2013 00:06, Kevin Miller wrote: >>> >>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmyCYc1cXUZodGMxbExYNVVsVDVk >>> cU >>> k2aTZPdHV5Qmc&usp=sharing >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Feb 15 13:20:41 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:20:41 -0800 Subject: Build-time v Run-time In-Reply-To: References: <93D00F20-071C-4C26-A1B3-D2733E1E2208@mac.com> Message-ID: <3D9097A7-90DC-4E1C-ADA5-2B762FA03D6B@me.com> Easy enough to just click the suppress messages button before opening the stack. You will probably want to keep messages suppressed in this situation if going to other stacks and cards is going to trigger actions that the openstack has not set up yet. You can make a handler called startApp or something similar that the preOpenStack handler traps, so you can call it at will when you need to do runtime testing. Bob On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:23 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote: > On 15.02.2013 at 17:56 Uhr +0100 Graham Samuel apparently wrote: >> Another naive questions, but this hasn't happened to me before, or at least I haven't recognised it properly. >> >> I'm looking at some code written by an associate. As normal (to me) it's a mainstack and a lot of substacks. I want to tinker with the code, so I open the mainstack in the LC IDE, and immediately the program starts to run, even though the Edit tool is active in the toolbar rather than the Browse tool - it starts up and does stuff, like the IDE does. I don't want that, I want the code to remain entirely passive until I tell it to run! >> >> How does a stack get into 'instant run mode' like that, and what can I do to stop it? Is there some way of creeping up on it so that no handler is executed? >> > > Apparently, your associate coded something in one of the openXxxx handlers to start execution. Those handlers run regardless of the IDE mode. To achieve what you want, the code should check the environment (look it up in the dictionary) and do not execute if it is "development". If you want to be able to execute after all, to simulate standalone execution, you may add checking whether the alt key is down, and if it is down, execute regardless of the environment. > > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From alex at tweedly.net Fri Feb 15 13:25:26 2013 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:25:26 +0000 Subject: OT. Kickstart Union of Genius In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <511E7D96.5000905@tweedly.net> OK, pledged. btw - I notice that they started out asking for just 3% of the amount required for the LC Kickstart - but their Kickstarter page is more than twice as long (and perhaps twice as interesting as well :-) -- Alex. On 15/02/2013 17:52, Mark Wieder wrote: > I want to take this opportunity to plug another Kickstarter project now that > it's into its last 48 hours. It's not entirely OT since it's in Edinburgh . > Union of Genius is a cafe that has met their original KS funding goals and a few > stretch goals, including providing soup in perpetuity to Edinburgh's Care Van. > I'm proud to be a supporter, and if you've got extra cash after supporting LC's > Kickstarter project, do think about sending some their way in the next couple of > days. I'll be happily making my way over to Union of Genius for a bowl of soup > at the conference in May. Yum. > > > From userev at canelasoftware.com Fri Feb 15 15:08:39 2013 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:08:39 -0800 Subject: OT. Kickstart Union of Genius In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > I want to take this opportunity to plug another Kickstarter project now that > it's into its last 48 hours. It's not entirely OT since it's in Edinburgh . > Union of Genius is a cafe that has met their original KS funding goals and a few > stretch goals, including providing soup in perpetuity to Edinburgh's Care Van. > I'm proud to be a supporter, and if you've got extra cash after supporting LC's > Kickstarter project, do think about sending some their way in the next couple of > days. I'll be happily making my way over to Union of Genius for a bowl of soup > at the conference in May. Yum. Hi Mark, I pledged as well. I am going to the conference and would like join you when you visit the Union of Genius cafe. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Fri Feb 15 16:17:59 2013 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:17:59 +0000 Subject: On-Rev Odin Message-ID: Anyone having problems with Odin ? Dixie From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 15 16:25:33 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:25:33 -0500 Subject: On-Rev Odin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3BAFA634-AD2F-40F0-A5A7-EBE83A83D9F8@verizon.net> Asgard really hasn't been the same since he took over. Also, https://odin.on-rev.com doesn't load, but https://odin.on-rev.com:2096 does quickly show a webmail login dialog. On Feb 15, 2013, at 4:17 PM, John Dixon wrote: > >Anyone having problems with Odin ? From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Fri Feb 15 16:31:56 2013 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:31:56 +0000 Subject: On-Rev Odin In-Reply-To: <3BAFA634-AD2F-40F0-A5A7-EBE83A83D9F8@verizon.net> References: , <3BAFA634-AD2F-40F0-A5A7-EBE83A83D9F8@verizon.net> Message-ID: > From: coiin at verizon.net > Subject: Re: On-Rev Odin > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:25:33 -0500 > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Asgard really hasn't been the same since he took over. :-) Thanks Colin... I guess I'll just have to wait until the gods have finished their game of bowls... Dixie From bonnmike at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 16:46:46 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:46:46 -0700 Subject: On-Rev Odin In-Reply-To: References: <3BAFA634-AD2F-40F0-A5A7-EBE83A83D9F8@verizon.net> Message-ID: Yep, can't hit my odin pages. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:31 PM, John Dixon wrote: > > > > From: coiin at verizon.net > > Subject: Re: On-Rev Odin > > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:25:33 -0500 > > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > Asgard really hasn't been the same since he took over. > > :-) > > Thanks Colin... I guess I'll just have to wait until the gods have > finished their game of bowls... > > Dixie > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Fri Feb 15 16:52:38 2013 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:52:38 +0000 Subject: On-Rev Odin In-Reply-To: References: , <3BAFA634-AD2F-40F0-A5A7-EBE83A83D9F8@verizon.net>, , Message-ID: Thor must have thrown a hammer in the works > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:46:46 -0700 > Subject: Re: On-Rev Odin > From: bonnmike at gmail.com > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Yep, can't hit my odin pages. > > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:31 PM, John Dixon wrote: > > > > > > > > From: coiin at verizon.net > > > Subject: Re: On-Rev Odin > > > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:25:33 -0500 > > > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > Asgard really hasn't been the same since he took over. > > > > :-) > > > > Thanks Colin... I guess I'll just have to wait until the gods have > > finished their game of bowls... > > > > Dixie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 15 16:58:30 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: On-Rev Odin References: Message-ID: John Dixon writes: > > Anyone having problems with Odin ? Yeah - Odin's having problems today. If you get this it's because I'm using gmane instead of email. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 15 17:51:08 2013 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:51:08 -0800 Subject: The love formula In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17CCAF97-673A-4A49-B8D9-F7E87F200B2F@sbcglobal.net> This is a little late for Valentine's day, but I was being smothered in affection yesterday ;) Here is a link to show the formula for a heart: http://www.google.com/imgres?q=the+love+formula&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&rls=en&biw=1335&bih=943&tbm=isch&tbnid=S0s-aYE5EW3kdM:&imgrefurl=http://9gag.com/gag/125927&docid=ZUOxCpj_QyMOlM&imgurl=http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/125927_700b.jpg&w=700&h=768&ei=dLkeUaj-Oci9igLty4CYCw&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:5,s:0,i:96&iact=rc&dur=1220&sig=100340526412447560004&page=1&tbnh=172&tbnw=157&start=0&ndsp=20&tx=107&ty=88 And here is a script to draw one in LC. local x0, y0, x, signum on mouseUp --The equation of a heart is x^2 + (y - x^(2/3))^2 = 1 --So that y = x^(2/3) + or - sqrt(1-x^2) -- The plus give the top of the heart and the minus produces the bottom if there is no grc "heart" then create grc "heart" set the style of grc "heart" to "line" set the points of grc "heart" to empty put the width of this card/2 into x0 Put round( the height of this card /2) into y0 put 0 into x --Signum is used to change the sign of the square root put 1 into signum put drawHeart() into tTopPoints put 0 into x --Now the bottom put -1 into signum put drawHeart() into tBottomPoints if last line of tBottpPoints is empty then delete the last line of tBottomPoints --The botton get drawn bottom up--so reverse the points. put reverse(tBottomPoints) into tBottomPoints --Combine top and bottom. put tTopPoints & cr & tBottomPoints into tFinal if the last line of tFinal is empty then delete last char of tFinal --Now put those points into the center of the screen--at x0,y0 repeat for each line tLine in tFinal if tLine is empty then next repeat put x0 + 100*item 1 of tLine into xTemp put x0 - 100*item 1 of tLine into xTempLeftSide put y0 - 100*item 2 of tLine into yTemp put round(xTemp) , round(yTemp) into temp if temp is not empty then put temp & cr after results put round(xTempLeftSide) , round(yTemp) into temp2 if temp2 is not empty then put temp2 & cr after resultsLeftSide end repeat set the points of grc "heart" to empty set the points of grc "heart" to resultsLeftSide put cr & resultsLeftSide after results set the points of grc "heart" to results end mouseUP function y x return x^(2/3) + signum* sqrt (1 - x^2) end y function DrawHeart repeat if x>= 1 then exit repeat put x , y(x) into tPoint put tPoint & cr after tPoints add .002to x end repeat return tPoints end DrawHeart function reverse tPoints repeat for each line tLine in tPoints put tLine & cr before results end repeat return results end reverse From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Fri Feb 15 18:05:38 2013 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:05:38 +0000 Subject: The love formula In-Reply-To: <17CCAF97-673A-4A49-B8D9-F7E87F200B2F@sbcglobal.net> References: , <17CCAF97-673A-4A49-B8D9-F7E87F200B2F@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: That is really nice.... Two more lines to enhance it... set the linesize of grc "heart" to 5 set the foregroundColor of grc "heart" to 255,0,0 Dixie > Subject: The love formula > From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:51:08 -0800 > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > This is a little late for Valentine's day, but I was being smothered in affection yesterday ;) > > Here is a link to show the formula for a heart: > > http://www.google.com/imgres?q=the+love+formula&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&rls=en&biw=1335&bih=943&tbm=isch&tbnid=S0s-aYE5EW3kdM:&imgrefurl=http://9gag.com/gag/125927&docid=ZUOxCpj_QyMOlM&imgurl=http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/125927_700b.jpg&w=700&h=768&ei=dLkeUaj-Oci9igLty4CYCw&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:5,s:0,i:96&iact=rc&dur=1220&sig=100340526412447560004&page=1&tbnh=172&tbnw=157&start=0&ndsp=20&tx=107&ty=88 > > And here is a script to draw one in LC. > > > > local x0, y0, x, signum > > on mouseUp > --The equation of a heart is x^2 + (y - x^(2/3))^2 = 1 > --So that y = x^(2/3) + or - sqrt(1-x^2) > -- The plus give the top of the heart and the minus produces the bottom > > if there is no grc "heart" then create grc "heart" > set the style of grc "heart" to "line" > set the points of grc "heart" to empty > put the width of this card/2 into x0 > Put round( the height of this card /2) into y0 > put 0 into x > --Signum is used to change the sign of the square root > put 1 into signum > put drawHeart() into tTopPoints > put 0 into x > --Now the bottom > put -1 into signum > put drawHeart() into tBottomPoints > if last line of tBottpPoints is empty then delete the last line of tBottomPoints > --The botton get drawn bottom up--so reverse the points. > put reverse(tBottomPoints) into tBottomPoints > --Combine top and bottom. > put tTopPoints & cr & tBottomPoints into tFinal > if the last line of tFinal is empty then delete last char of tFinal > --Now put those points into the center of the screen--at x0,y0 > repeat for each line tLine in tFinal > if tLine is empty then next repeat > put x0 + 100*item 1 of tLine into xTemp > put x0 - 100*item 1 of tLine into xTempLeftSide > put y0 - 100*item 2 of tLine into yTemp > put round(xTemp) , round(yTemp) into temp > if temp is not empty then put temp & cr after results > put round(xTempLeftSide) , round(yTemp) into temp2 > if temp2 is not empty then put temp2 & cr after resultsLeftSide > end repeat > set the points of grc "heart" to empty > set the points of grc "heart" to resultsLeftSide > put cr & resultsLeftSide after results > set the points of grc "heart" to results > end mouseUP > > function y x > return x^(2/3) + signum* sqrt (1 - x^2) > end y > > function DrawHeart > repeat > if x>= 1 then exit repeat > put x , y(x) into tPoint > put tPoint & cr after tPoints > add .002to x > end repeat > return tPoints > end DrawHeart > > function reverse tPoints > repeat for each line tLine in tPoints > put tLine & cr before results > end repeat > return results > end reverse > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Feb 15 18:13:18 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:13:18 -0800 Subject: The love formula Message-ID: Thanks for sharing the love. Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design -------- Original message -------- Subject: The love formula From: Jim Hurley To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com CC: This is a little late for Valentine's day, but I was being smothered in affection yesterday ;) Here is a link to show the formula for a heart: http://www.google.com/imgres?q=the+love+formula&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&rls=en&biw=1335&bih=943&tbm=isch&tbnid=S0s-aYE5EW3kdM:&imgrefurl=http://9gag.com/gag/125927&docid=ZUOxCpj_QyMOlM&imgurl=http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/125927_700b.jpg&w=700&h=768&ei=dLkeUaj-Oci9igLty4CYCw&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:5,s:0,i:96&iact=rc&dur=1220&sig=100340526412447560004&page=1&tbnh=172&tbnw=157&start=0&ndsp=20&tx=107&ty=88 And here is a script to draw one in LC. local x0, y0, x, signum on mouseUp ? --The equation of a heart is x^2 + (y - x^(2/3))^2? = 1 ? --So that y = x^(2/3) + or - sqrt(1-x^2) ? -- The plus give the top of the heart and the minus produces the bottom ? if there is no grc "heart" then create grc "heart" ? set the style of grc "heart" to "line" ? set the points of grc "heart" to empty ? put the width of this card/2 into x0 ? Put round( the height of this card /2) into y0 ? put? 0 into x ? --Signum is used to change the sign of the square root ? put 1 into? signum ? put drawHeart() into tTopPoints ? put 0 into x ? --Now the bottom ? put -1 into signum ? put drawHeart() into tBottomPoints ? if last line of tBottpPoints is empty then delete the last line of tBottomPoints ? --The botton get drawn bottom up--so reverse the points. ? put reverse(tBottomPoints) into tBottomPoints ? --Combine top and bottom. ? put tTopPoints & cr & tBottomPoints into tFinal ? if the last line of tFinal is empty then delete last char of tFinal --Now put those points into the center of the screen--at x0,y0 ? repeat for each line tLine in tFinal ???? if tLine is empty then next repeat ???? put x0 + 100*item 1 of tLine into xTemp ???? put x0 - 100*item 1 of tLine into xTempLeftSide ???? put y0 - 100*item 2 of tLine into yTemp ???? put? round(xTemp) , round(yTemp) into temp ???? if temp is not empty then put temp & cr after results ???? put? round(xTempLeftSide) , round(yTemp)? into temp2 ???? if temp2 is not empty then put temp2 & cr after resultsLeftSide ? end repeat ? set the points of grc "heart" to empty ? set the points of grc "heart" to resultsLeftSide ? put cr & resultsLeftSide after results ? set the points of grc "heart" to results end mouseUP function y x ? return? x^(2/3) + signum* sqrt (1 - x^2) end y function DrawHeart ? repeat ???? if x>= 1 then exit repeat ???? put x , y(x) into tPoint ???? put tPoint & cr after tPoints ???? add .002to x ? end repeat ? return tPoints end DrawHeart function reverse tPoints ? repeat for each line tLine in tPoints ???? put tLine & cr before results ? end repeat ? return results end reverse _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From peterwawood at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 18:25:27 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 07:25:27 +0800 Subject: 1001 things you can do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: <64F3B3F6-B6E3-4F5C-93B4-D45169FBCDAD@amglighthouse.co.za> References: <64F3B3F6-B6E3-4F5C-93B4-D45169FBCDAD@amglighthouse.co.za> Message-ID: <32761BF2-5A66-4EC9-9D30-BE6107C5EE7C@gmail.com> On 16 Feb 2013, at 02:04, Nigel Soden wrote: > Greetings > > I'm currently developing an Estate Agent application that'll be used on iPad's, its not pretty at this stage but I've got a couple of screen dumps I can provide if you wish. > > Nigel Yes please Nigel. From dave at businessplaninsight.com Fri Feb 15 18:34:54 2013 From: dave at businessplaninsight.com (Dave Kilroy) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:34:54 +0000 Subject: AW: put the qtversion crashes Message-ID: <1F2DD604-C8B7-4B10-ABAB-AB8429E97C01@businessplaninsight.com> Hi Tiemo Did you know there are "K" and "KN" editions of Windows 7 Ultimate (I have the "N" edition) which come without Windows Media Player plus some other stuff that originally made viewing videos impossible. Downloading Windows Media Player from Microsoft didn't stop the errors when attempting to play videos - and Real Player and QT also didn't run (think QT relies on Windows Media Player in Win7) - what fixed it for me was installing VLC media player and a reboot - after that Windows Media Player and QT worked! So - it may be that the crash on your customer's Windows 7 Ultimate is not down to your software but to the OS being sold without Windows Media Player? Dave From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 15 20:34:09 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:34:09 -0800 Subject: OT. Kickstart Union of Genius In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <188250101390.20130215173409@ahsoftware.net> Mark- Friday, February 15, 2013, 12:08:39 PM, you wrote: > I pledged as well. I am going to the conference and would like > join you when you visit the Union of Genius cafe. Odin's acting up today - this took two hours to get to me. That's two hours after the listserv (in the same subnet) picked it up. Anyway, much thanks. I'll contact the cafe and see about setting up an appropriate LiveCode event during the conference. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From larsbrehmer at mac.com Sat Feb 16 06:25:06 2013 From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 13:25:06 +0200 Subject: Mac App Submit Message-ID: <62C7AEED-01F0-4B5F-A219-AF5C4C61194C@mac.com> OK - Thanks, this helped a lot. And it got me a few steps further :-) > You don't manually add "Mac App Store Application Category Type", you choose from the menu an item that matches the Mac App Store category that you have previously claimed the app to be. So for example, in my test I chose "public.app-category.developer-tools". The save and reopen worked fine, but note that when you reopen you're no longer in Raw Keys/Values. The thing you added will show as "Application Category" with a value on the lines of "Developer Tools". > > By the way, you can completely skip the raw keys steps, just let it stay in the easy looking English version, add in an "Application Category", and choose from the easy to understand category list. > > Also, yes, the article is out of date, for a while now Xcode has taken over editing plists, there is no Property List Editor anymore. However, and I fully expected this, it did not quite get me over the finish line. I got the two certificates from the Apple Dev Center and got them installed in my keychain. Then came these steps from the article: > Open Terminal and enter "codesign -f -s " (there is a space after "-s" and you do not enter the quotes). Enter a start quote and then the full name of the Mac Developer Application certificate which is viewable with the Keychain application, followed by a closing quote. The image above of the Keychain shows the text that gets entered. In this example the command line should look something like: > jdough:~ jdough$ codesign -f -s "3rd Party Mac Developer Application: J Dough" > This worked OK > > type a space after the closing quote and then in the Finder drag your standalone application file into the Terminal. Terminal will put the absolute path to the standalone application. The final line will look something like: > > jdough:~ jdough$ codesign -f -s "3rd Party Mac Developer Application: J Dough" /Users/jdough/Documents/MyLiveCodeApp/MyLiveCodeApp/MyLiveCodeApp.app > > This worked OK > hit the return key and codesign should add a "_CodeSignature" folder (and other files) into the package contents of your standalone. > This is the message I got in Terminal; "object file format unrecognized, invalid, or unsuitable" Is this referring to my Standalone? Did I miss something about the file format of an Intel App made with Livecode? I am quite sure that my Stanalone Applications Settings are correct. My only guess is this. I mentioned recently (in a different thread) that my Standalone, a splash screen, contains stacks that are compressed into custom properties and decompressed and saved as stacks (with a custom file format suffix) into Application Support>myCompanyName>myAppName. I had remarked that I always thought this method was fairly typical, but in one of the replies on that thread someone pointed out that this isn't really standard or typical. Could this be the problem? Also, my main stack is encrypted, but I don't think that's the problem, because much of the rev/livecode code in the stansalone is alos encrypted. I have no other ideas, and would appreciate a clue here! Cheers, Lars From toolbook at kestner.de Sat Feb 16 06:31:10 2013 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:31:10 +0100 Subject: AW: put the qtversion crashes In-Reply-To: <1F2DD604-C8B7-4B10-ABAB-AB8429E97C01@businessplaninsight.com> References: <1F2DD604-C8B7-4B10-ABAB-AB8429E97C01@businessplaninsight.com> Message-ID: <003b01ce0c39$1f0ba890$5d22f9b0$@de> Hi Dave, wow! I have never heard about this difference, but that sounds really hot. I have never heard that QT it self is depending on other multimedia resources, as the media player. I will trace that (at least for Win 7/8 ultimate). For my XP an 7 Pro crashes I have to look for other explanations. Thanks Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag > von Dave Kilroy > Gesendet: Samstag, 16. Februar 2013 00:35 > An: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Betreff: AW: put the qtversion crashes > > > Hi Tiemo > > Did you know there are "K" and "KN" editions of Windows 7 Ultimate (I have > the "N" edition) which come without Windows Media Player plus some other > stuff that originally made viewing videos impossible. > > Downloading Windows Media Player from Microsoft didn't stop the errors when > attempting to play videos - and Real Player and QT also didn't run (think > QT relies on Windows Media Player in Win7) - what fixed it for me was > installing VLC media player and a reboot - after that Windows Media Player > and QT worked! > > So - it may be that the crash on your customer's Windows 7 Ultimate is not > down to your software but to the OS being sold without Windows Media > Player > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 16 08:16:00 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 08:16:00 -0500 Subject: Mac App Submit In-Reply-To: <62C7AEED-01F0-4B5F-A219-AF5C4C61194C@mac.com> References: <62C7AEED-01F0-4B5F-A219-AF5C4C61194C@mac.com> Message-ID: What you say here doesn't make sense. You say the first line worked ok, but then when you pressed the return key you saw an error. Those are not two steps, it's one step. Either it worked or it didn't. My guess is that you pressed return after entering the line, then pressed return again. If I'm right, the folder was already created, and Terminal was just complaining because you pressed return one too many times. On Feb 16, 2013, at 6:25 AM, Lars Brehmer wrote: >> >> jdough:~ jdough$ codesign -f -s "3rd Party Mac Developer Application: J Dough" /Users/jdough/Documents/MyLiveCodeApp/MyLiveCodeApp/MyLiveCodeApp.app >> >> > This worked OK > >> hit the return key and codesign should add a "_CodeSignature" folder (and other files) into the package contents of your standalone. >> > > This is the message I got in Terminal; From mikekann at yahoo.com Sat Feb 16 10:15:59 2013 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 07:15:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: 2013 Office Not Transferrable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1361027759.88334.YahooMailClassic@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/16/microsoft-confirms-office-2013-licenses-cant-be-transferred/ From rman at free.fr Sat Feb 16 13:00:08 2013 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:00:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: <9AA5160F-8AFC-4261-814F-5E0A760EFF82@verizon.net> References: <9AA5160F-8AFC-4261-814F-5E0A760EFF82@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1361037608280-4660690.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi, as I mentionned earlier on int that thread : http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Open-source-LC-server-and-revigniter-td4660146.html Jacqueline Landman Gay made a comprhensive answer as the most probable position : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RR says they will not release the password protection algorithm. Commercial licenses will be able to use it, but it will not be in the open source version. Since Zygodact requires password protection, it will be sold only to users who have a commercial license. Existing users won't be able to open their Zygodact stacks if they are using the free version. Apps built with the free version won't be able to display the Zygodact register dialog. I don't know how LiveCode server will work, but I'm sure the free version won't include password protection, and it wont be able to open Zygodact password generators. Perhaps RR will release a commercial server that can do it. But if they don't, you can still use the CGI script and the older CGI engine. Clarification on this would be good to hear from the team. --------------------------------------------------------------- A related question on which I saw no answer :: Will all encrypting functions not be available on the server OS version??? ...Otherwise one can devise a specific protection scheme and deliver on a client OS server a specifically protected stacks encrypted by a propriatary function. This would be against the OS principles as I understand it, but realistically feasible since residing on a closed server environment.... not available to the public... In essence that would be on the bridge of OS/closed practice... On the other hand, scraping off all security cripting possibilities in the OS language server might make it useless to deliver web content with a cetain amount of security... Any view, suggestion on that point that might help us or runrev ?? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/about-the-GPL-version-and-password-protection-tp4660607p4660690.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kevin at runrev.com Sat Feb 16 13:04:48 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:04:48 +0000 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: <1361037608280-4660690.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: You are correct that the server version will not include the password protection module. The encryption functions will be in the GPL version. Those functions do not relate in any way to the password protection of stacks. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 16/02/2013 18:00, "Robert Mann" wrote: >Hi, as I mentionned earlier on int that thread : >http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Open-source-LC-server-and-r >evigniter-td4660146.html > >Jacqueline Landman Gay made a comprhensive answer as the most probable >position : >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------ >RR says they will not release the password protection algorithm. >Commercial licenses will be able to use it, but it will not be in the >open source version. > >Since Zygodact requires password protection, it will be sold only to >users who have a commercial license. Existing users won't be able to >open their Zygodact stacks if they are using the free version. Apps >built with the free version won't be able to display the Zygodact >register dialog. > >I don't know how LiveCode server will work, but I'm sure the free >version won't include password protection, and it wont be able to open >Zygodact password generators. Perhaps RR will release a commercial >server that can do it. But if they don't, you can still use the CGI >script and the older CGI engine. > >Clarification on this would be good to hear from the team. >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >A related question on which I saw no answer :: > >Will all encrypting functions not be available on the server OS >version??? >...Otherwise one can devise a specific protection scheme and deliver on a >client OS server a specifically protected stacks encrypted by a >propriatary >function. > >This would be against the OS principles as I understand it, but >realistically feasible since residing on a closed server environment.... >not >available to the public... > >In essence that would be on the bridge of OS/closed practice... > >On the other hand, scraping off all security cripting possibilities in the >OS language server might make it useless to deliver web content with a >cetain amount of security... > >Any view, suggestion on that point that might help us or runrev ?? > > > > > > > > > >-- >View this message in context: >http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/about-the-GPL-version-and-p >assword-protection-tp4660607p4660690.html >Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 16 13:21:28 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 13:21:28 -0500 Subject: past 1/3rd Message-ID: 33.46% From userev at canelasoftware.com Sat Feb 16 13:36:23 2013 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:36:23 -0800 Subject: OT. Kickstart Union of Genius In-Reply-To: <188250101390.20130215173409@ahsoftware.net> References: <188250101390.20130215173409@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <0E9F6651-F9B4-4684-BE52-7576C32CC6E1@canelasoftware.com> On Feb 15, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Mark- > > Friday, February 15, 2013, 12:08:39 PM, you wrote: > >> I pledged as well. I am going to the conference and would like >> join you when you visit the Union of Genius cafe. > > Odin's acting up today - this took two hours to get to me. That's two > hours after the listserv (in the same subnet) picked it up. > > Anyway, much thanks. I'll contact the cafe and see about setting up an > appropriate LiveCode event during the conference. That sounds great! Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com From larsbrehmer at mac.com Sat Feb 16 13:56:06 2013 From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:56:06 +0200 Subject: Mac App Submit Message-ID: <357E0830-2282-4CC3-87E7-612BBEEF9A98@mac.com> Thanks Colin! As always in my experience - spot on! > What you say here doesn't make sense. You say the first line worked ok, but then when you pressed the return key you saw an error. Those are not two steps, it's one step. Either it worked or it didn't. My guess is that you pressed return after entering the line, then pressed return again. If I'm right, the folder was already created, and Terminal was just complaining because you pressed return one too many times. Terminal & unix may as well be Swahili to me. After dragging something onto the Terminal window, I guess I simply assumed that you gotta hit the return key for something to happen. That first try, I never looked in the package contents after the "not recognized, invalid, unsuitable" message, but I assume it did actually execute correctly and that terminal message came after the successful execution. I am so glad I bought your book and so glad you took the time to reply to my dopey problems! This is getting very exciting for me! On to the actual submission! Cheers, Lars From slylabs13 at me.com Sat Feb 16 21:46:18 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:46:18 -0800 Subject: Mac App Submit In-Reply-To: <357E0830-2282-4CC3-87E7-612BBEEF9A98@mac.com> References: <357E0830-2282-4CC3-87E7-612BBEEF9A98@mac.com> Message-ID: <0D1E22F0-6834-4F3F-A52E-302C2E8BC5BC@me.com> You do if there is no return in what you drag. If there is, it's like hitting the return key yourself, only you didn't. :-) Bob On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Lars Brehmer wrote: > Terminal & unix may as well be Swahili to me. After dragging something onto the Terminal window, I guess I simply assumed that you gotta hit the return key for something to happen. From peterwawood at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 22:34:50 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:34:50 +0800 Subject: Calling all teachers and parents Message-ID: I've now got more than 50 entries on 1001 things to do with LiveCode. Only 951 to go! I think it would be really great if we could show some things done by children and young adults. Other youngsters would be likely to relate better to examples from their peers. So do you teachers and parents out there have anything that could be shared on the website? Thanks in advance. Peter From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com Sun Feb 17 06:15:18 2013 From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:15:18 +0200 Subject: Valentina Studio is really FREE?! YES ... Serials are temporary? NO. Message-ID: Hi Guys, After we ship 5.0 release, we was asked few times already: * Valentina Studio serials are temporary? * Valentina Studio really is free? So it seems people can hard believe into this :-) ================== YES - Valentina Studio 5.0 and future releases is totally free, no any hidden traps here. Valentina Studio is free in such was as, for example, phpAdmin for mySQL pgAdmin for PostgreSQL. When you start Valentina Studio first time, it will ask to specify Name, login, password, and in 1 min you will get letter with serials for Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. These serials will be valid 1 year, so you will be download and use 5.1, 5.2, ... And may be 6.x. After that you will need just renew serials for next year. Its again free. ================= Yes, we have yet paid version Valentina Studio PRO (199$), But it adds advanced features as: Diagram Editor -- forward and reverse engineering SQL DIFF -- to get scripts of difference between 2 dbs Report Editor -- for those who want use Valentina Reports. IF you do not need this features, then free version of vstudio can do all rest jobs with databases SQLite, mySQL, PostgreSQL and Valentina DB without any limits. * Schema Editor - Tree View * Schema Editor - Column View like OS X Finder * Import/Export * Dumps * Data Editor - with filters, sorting, pictures, ... * RELATED Data Editor -- cool feature to lean your relations * SQL Editor with auto-completion, templates, favorites * Server Admin So even if you not using Valentina DB, but use SQLite, mySQL or PostgreSQL, we hope you will find Valentina Studio to be very useful tool in your daily jobs with that dbs. We will be very happy to hear your feedback how to make things even better. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From peterwawood at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 08:12:40 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:12:40 +0800 Subject: Twitter and Kickstarter campaign Message-ID: <4C1AA68B-DC63-49F3-8E05-3FAE67BE17BE@gmail.com> I recently checked the official Runrev on Twitter. I was surprised to see so few tweets. I guess that many people on these lists are like me and don't tweet very much, if at all. From what I can tell, success on twitter comes more from quantity rather than quality. We need to make more noise about the campaign to Free LiveCode. Perhaps those wanting to help the Kickstarter campaign could make a few tweets aimed at @runrev and including the tag #FreeLiveCode. I just tweeted this: @runrev Congratualions on reaching the 30% fund level on KIckstarter. Need to get busy now to meet the target #FreeLIveCode I'm planning to start Tweeting about the great stories on 1001 things to do with LiveCode. It would be great if people on the list would retweet them. Every little helps. Peter From coiin at verizon.net Sun Feb 17 10:46:01 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 10:46:01 -0500 Subject: another good bit of publicity... Message-ID: I have various feelers out there, some of which are quite good ones, but I'll only report back when then pay off. One of which just did: http://www.thebillblog.com/2013/02/livecode-kickstarter/ and https://twitter.com/billt Bill Thompson is a technology journalist, with 15,738 follower on Twitter, all of whom are into technology. I'm not sure how many people read his blog. I tweeted about the blog posting. From th.douez at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 12:41:23 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:41:23 +0100 Subject: Yet Another Kickstarter stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, Here is the third version. Add a second graph which gives another perspective... Enjoy. Thierry ps; should be consumed with moderation. You can download it at http://sunny-tdz.com/dwn and > check for *Yet Another KickStarter board* (end of the page) > > The stack is still free and you can still do whatever you like with it. > > Regards, > > Thierry > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 16:13:07 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 23:13:07 +0200 Subject: Yet Another Kickstarter stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512147E3.8070102@gmail.com> On 02/17/2013 07:41 PM, Thierry Douez wrote: > Hello all, > > Here is the third version. > > Add a second graph which gives another perspective... > > Enjoy. > > Thierry > > ps; should be consumed with moderation. > > > You can download it at http://sunny-tdz.com/dwn and >> check for *Yet Another KickStarter board* (end of the page) >> >> The stack is still free and you can still do whatever you like with it. >> >> Regards, >> >> Thierry >> > _______________________________________________ > Thanks, Thierry, BUT: for Linux you need to make the 'Infos' textField about 60 tall rather than 45, otherwise all the text doesn't show: to do that well it is best to increase the height of the stack to 500. Richmond. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sun Feb 17 18:49:23 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 15:49:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: another good bit of publicity... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1361144963491-4660703.post@n4.nabble.com> Colin Holgate-2 wrote > I have various feelers out there, some of which are quite good ones, but > I'll only report back when then pay off. One of which just did: Where's the LIKE button when you need it :-) -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/another-good-bit-of-publicity-tp4660699p4660703.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sun Feb 17 18:52:43 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 15:52:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Calling all teachers and parents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1361145163604-4660704.post@n4.nabble.com> Peter W A Wood wrote > I've now got more than 50 entries on 1001 things to do with LiveCode. Only > 951 to go! Could we have a link please? -- M -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Calling-all-teachers-and-parents-tp4660696p4660704.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bonnmike at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 18:53:47 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:53:47 -0700 Subject: Calling all teachers and parents In-Reply-To: <1361145163604-4660704.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1361145163604-4660704.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: http://livecode1001.blogspot.com/ is the one I believe. On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > Peter W A Wood wrote > > I've now got more than 50 entries on 1001 things to do with LiveCode. > Only > > 951 to go! > > Could we have a link please? > > -- M > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Calling-all-teachers-and-parents-tp4660696p4660704.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From lists at mangomultimedia.com Sun Feb 17 20:14:59 2013 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:14:59 -0500 Subject: Twitter and Kickstarter campaign In-Reply-To: <4C1AA68B-DC63-49F3-8E05-3FAE67BE17BE@gmail.com> References: <4C1AA68B-DC63-49F3-8E05-3FAE67BE17BE@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote: > Perhaps those wanting to help the Kickstarter campaign could make a few > tweets aimed at @runrev and including the tag #FreeLiveCode. I just tweeted > this: > > @runrev Congratualions on reaching the 30% fund level on KIckstarter. Need > to get busy now to meet the target #FreeLIveCode > Peter, One thing to keep in mind is that if you start a tweet with @ then not all of your followers see it. In this case only people that follow both you and @runrev will see your tweet. If you want to start a tweet with a reference to another user then prefix the tweet with a ".". -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.clarify-it.com - www.screensteps.com From peterwawood at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 20:20:14 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:20:14 +0800 Subject: Twitter and Kickstarter campaign In-Reply-To: References: <4C1AA68B-DC63-49F3-8E05-3FAE67BE17BE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0EC55AAD-C9D2-4A67-842F-7D0C0C28C771@gmail.com> Thanks, Trevor On 18 Feb 2013, at 09:14, Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote: > >> Perhaps those wanting to help the Kickstarter campaign could make a few >> tweets aimed at @runrev and including the tag #FreeLiveCode. I just tweeted >> this: >> >> @runrev Congratualions on reaching the 30% fund level on KIckstarter. Need >> to get busy now to meet the target #FreeLIveCode >> > > Peter, > > One thing to keep in mind is that if you start a tweet with @ then not all > of your followers see it. In this case only people that follow both you and > @runrev will see your tweet. If you want to start a tweet with a reference > to another user then prefix the tweet with a ".". > > -- > Trevor DeVore > Blue Mango Learning Systems > www.clarify-it.com - www.screensteps.com > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From peterwawood at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 20:28:48 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:28:48 +0800 Subject: another good bit of publicity... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 17 Feb 2013, at 23:46, Colin Holgate wrote: > I have various feelers out there, some of which are quite good ones, but I'll only report back when then pay off. One of which just did: > > http://www.thebillblog.com/2013/02/livecode-kickstarter/ > > and > > https://twitter.com/billt > > Bill Thompson is a technology journalist, with 15,738 follower on Twitter, all of whom are into technology. I'm not sure how many people read his blog. I tweeted about the blog posting. That's really great Colin. I've retweeted your tweet. Hopefully others will. Peter From th.douez at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 00:58:59 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 06:58:59 +0100 Subject: Yet Another Kickstarter stack In-Reply-To: <512147E3.8070102@gmail.com> References: <512147E3.8070102@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2013/2/17 Richmond > > Hello all, >> >> Here is the third version. >> >> Add a second graph which gives another perspective... >> >> Enjoy. >> >> Thierry >> >> ps; should be consumed with moderation. >> >> You can download it at http://sunny-tdz.com/dwn and >> >>> check for *Yet Another KickStarter board* (end of the page) >>> The stack is still free and you can still do whatever you like with it. >>> >> > Thanks, Thierry, > > BUT: for Linux you need to make the 'Infos' textField about 60 tall rather > than 45, > otherwise all the text doesn't show: to do that well it is best to > increase the height of > the stack to 500. > > Richmond. > Hi Richmond, Sorry, but haven't any linux LC. I'm glad you find a workaround. Have a nice day, THierry From gcanyon at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 01:13:45 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:13:45 -0600 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <19B3DE3D-5FB1-40C8-988C-B5F3DE5073A0@gmail.com> <59A9D689-32F7-4759-975A-808211156F1B@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Here's an interesting real(ish) world example: http://www.leancrew.com/all-this/2011/12/more-shell-less-egg/ The goal is to find the ten most common words in a text file. Donald Knuth wrote something in literate code form, in Pascal. The result was ten pages of code. In the article, Doug McIlroy wrote it in shell script as: 1 tr -cs A-Za-z '\n' |2 tr A-Z a-z |3 sort |4 uniq -c |5 sort -rn |6 sed ${1}q and called out Knuth on his supposedly more clear, ten-page solution. It turns out six lines of transcript accomplishes the same thing: repeat for each word w in replacetext(url ("file:" & filePath),"(?i)[^a-z]"," ") add 1 to c[w] end repeat combine c using cr and comma sort lines of c descending numeric by item 2 of each put line 1 to 10 of c If anyone can do it more elegantly, I'm curious to know how. But in a language where we can write our own syntax, this seems likely to be possible: put file filePath with all non-alphabetic characters replaced with space into fileString for each unique word w in fileString, put w,the count of w & cr after countList put the first 10 lines of countList sorted numeric descending by item 2 Maybe that's not clearer, but it should be possible. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Monte Goulding < > monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote: > >> In my example I used "each line OF x" rather than "each line IN x". I >> often get caught on repeat for each line X IN y when I write OF. Could I >> add OF to the repeat syntax so it didn't matter? It seems natural to me >> either way. If not then perhaps our syntax should be: >> >> trim each line in X >> > > > The impression I got was that the new language ability would make it > fairly simple (or at least possible) to allow for either of or in. I'm > right there with you -- I don't actually code that often anymore, but > nearly every time I do, I mix up of and in. In my perfect world the > prepositions would be interchangeable and likely not significant, so of, > in, through, across, within, and maybe others. > > gc > From warren at warrensweb.us Mon Feb 18 02:16:04 2013 From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:16:04 -0600 Subject: Yet Another Kickstarter stack In-Reply-To: References: <512147E3.8070102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5121D534.5020701@warrensweb.us> On 02/17/2013 11:58 PM, Thierry Douez wrote: > Sorry, but haven't any linux LC. > > I'm glad you find a workaround. > > Have a nice day, > > THierry I also downloaded the stack for Linux and also see the truncated text in that field. One possible solution would be to let the field set its own height (set the height of the field to the formattedHeight of the field) and provide a fixed amount of padding between it and the group above it and/or between the bottom of it and the bottom of the stack. This sort of flexible size/positioning scheme could be broadly useful to help avoid issues caused by unpredictable factors and maybe aid in the graceful implementation of such user-friendly ideas as selectable text size and fonts where that might be desirable. Warren From sysman at bigpond.com Mon Feb 18 02:25:12 2013 From: sysman at bigpond.com (Iluvatar) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 23:25:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: LiveCode has a new eye on the earth In-Reply-To: References: <1A666BF1-BD31-43AD-A5E7-BC6968EF76E1@sweattechnologies.com> <4438A182-6F12-45C7-825E-46E259A14582@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1361172312917-4660712.post@n4.nabble.com> Folks, there have been a lot of impressive words said about the use of LiveCode by NASA. You need to be VERY sure about which part of the satellite/SCADA systems you are referencing. I see NOWHERE that NASA is using this code to control the in-built rocket and navigation control systems of the satellite. These systems control the pitch, yaw and orientation of the satellite as it orbits. These systems use 'burns' (or short bursts) of the rockets to provide 'micro' adjustments in the orbit of the satellite to adjust for its falling trajectory - yes, in time all geo-stationary satellites eventually fall back to earth (or burn up in the atmosphere in the process). So what is LiveCode doing? It appears to be syntax checking commands for the mapping applications and maybe control of cameras - " imaging and housekeeping activities". How do I know? I was in charge of the OSS (Operational Support Systems) which controlled the AUSSAT (later OPTUS D1 & D2) satellites in Australia. These systems were built by Lockheed Aerospace and were BULLETPROOF! NO BUGS. NONE. The were not coded by a script coder. They were written in Assembler and cost $Millions like the satellites they controlled. Horses for Courses ! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/LiveCode-has-a-new-eye-on-the-earth-tp4660466p4660712.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From th.douez at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 02:37:10 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:37:10 +0100 Subject: Yet Another Kickstarter stack In-Reply-To: <5121D534.5020701@warrensweb.us> References: <512147E3.8070102@gmail.com> <5121D534.5020701@warrensweb.us> Message-ID: 2013/2/18 Warren Samples > On 02/17/2013 11:58 PM, Thierry Douez wrote: > > Sorry, but haven't any linux LC. >> >> I'm glad you find a workaround. >> >> Have a nice day, >> THierry >> > > > I also downloaded the stack for Linux and also see the truncated text in > that field. One possible solution would be to let the field set its own > height (set the height of the field to the formattedHeight of the field) > and provide a fixed amount of padding between it and the group above it > and/or between the bottom of it and the bottom of the stack. This sort of > flexible size/positioning scheme could be broadly useful to help avoid > issues caused by unpredictable factors and maybe aid in the graceful > implementation of such user-friendly ideas as selectable text size and > fonts where that might be desirable. > > Warren Hi Warren, Thanks for your clever comments. But as I said previously, I did worked on it only a couple of hours, and had no time to make a universal tool, or test it broadly. This stack is free, open and bound to be modified by whoever... In this case, I believe changing the font and/or font size of the field should do the job quickly. Otherwise, except for the truncated text, does everything else works on Linux ? Regards, Thierry From revolution at derbrill.de Mon Feb 18 06:09:10 2013 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:09:10 +0100 Subject: The kickstarter thing and animationEngine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99FF2A3C-FADC-4ECB-A2CC-87FC77308A86@derbrill.de> Hi peers, as I have been asked off list I might as well make a public statement here. If liveCode manages to become openSource, I will follow runrevs lead and make animationEngine available under a dual license. This will mean, you will get to see all the scripts I wrote for it over the past 7 years (shortly after a cleanup phase. Need to remove all those german swearing comments, unless somebody is really interested in those. ) I will be removing the password protection from the code and I have no intention to cripple it in any way. Full thing for the OSS users. If someone will want to use it commercially they will still be needing a license to do so. I have been asked how I was going to police that. Well, I trust honest people will be honest and if AE saves them time in a commercial app, they will want to keep its development alive by purchasing a license. Pretty straightforward. I am so looking forward to liveCode becoming dual licensed. If you have any interest in LC + AE, please make a pledge. Tis the right thing for me and I guess development of AE will largely benefit from that too. Cheers, Malte From peterwawood at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 07:13:07 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:13:07 +0800 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day Message-ID: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> The contributions to 1001 things to do with LiveCode have been fantastic. Thanks to everybody who has submitted their app. I feel we now have the start of a decent gallery for LiveCode. It certainly shows the range of uses of LiveCode. I'm hoping to have the time to keep the blog active even after the Kickstarter campaign. I believe it can become a lasting "sales brochure" for LiveCode (both GPL and Commercial versions). 1001 things is getting about 400 hits a day, apart from Friday when it was mentioned in RunRev's Kickstarter campaign (more than 1100 page views). I guess the vast majority of those are from people who are already committed to LiveCode. I'm sure that this will build organically over time, especially if there is a link from RunRev.com to 1001 things. My worry is that there isn't much time left and 1001 things won't have much impact on the Kickstarter campaign unless there is a dramatic increase in traffic. I'd appreciate any help you can give to get people to notice the site - links to it, mention it on Facebook or LinkedIn, Tweet about it. Thanks in advance. Peter From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch Mon Feb 18 09:06:24 2013 From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:06:24 +0100 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... Message-ID: Am I right that this also means that password protected plugins like, for example, the great tmControl from Scott Rossi will NOT work with the free version ? Cheers Rolf From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 09:36:42 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:36:42 -0500 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8048B241-D177-4270-9C2E-92C6DBEC4882@verizon.net> I somehow feel that they would work, but, you wouldn't be able to ship an application that used them, unless you had the commercial license. Perhaps Scott will do what Malte is choosing to do? On Feb 18, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Rolf Kocherhans wrote: > Am I right that this also means that password protected plugins > like, for example, the great tmControl from Scott Rossi will NOT > work with the free version ? From warren at warrensweb.us Mon Feb 18 10:01:54 2013 From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:01:54 -0600 Subject: Yet Another Kickstarter stack In-Reply-To: References: <512147E3.8070102@gmail.com> <5121D534.5020701@warrensweb.us> Message-ID: <51224262.40108@warrensweb.us> On 02/18/2013 01:37 AM, Thierry Douez wrote: > 2013/2/18 Warren Samples > > Hi Warren, > But as I said previously, I did worked on it only a couple of hours, > and had no time to make a universal tool, or test it broadly. > > This stack is free, open and bound to be modified by whoever... > > In this case, I believe changing the font and/or font size of the field > should do the job quickly. > > > Otherwise, except for the truncated text, does everything else works on > Linux ? > > > Regards, > > Thierry Thierry, Your stack seems to perform its functions perfectly well. It has the same display issue for me under Windows 7, too. Here's an example of code along the lines of what I suggested, which works for me here in both Linux and Windows 7. (watch for linebreaks in script forced by the email client -- I've inserted extra returns between script lines to help clarify) ##### CODE ##### on preopenstack set the height of field "infos" to the formattedheight of field "infos" set the top of field "infos" to (the bottom of group ID 1058 - 4) --taking into account multiple sets of margins set the height of this stack to (the bottom of field "infos" - 6) end preopenstack ##### END CODE ##### Warren From th.douez at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 10:37:08 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:37:08 +0100 Subject: Yet Another Kickstarter stack In-Reply-To: <51224262.40108@warrensweb.us> References: <512147E3.8070102@gmail.com> <5121D534.5020701@warrensweb.us> <51224262.40108@warrensweb.us> Message-ID: Hi Warren, 2013/2/18 Warren Samples > > Otherwise, except for the truncated text, does everything else works on >> Linux ? >> > > Thierry, > > Your stack seems to perform its functions perfectly well. Thanks. At least, now I know it works on linux :) > Here's an example of code along the lines of what I suggested, which works for me here in both Linux and Windows 7. > Umm, I know these things, just forgot about it, doing quickly this stack in between 2 jobs. You're talking of the bottom field, but what about the other labels, and the Finfos field where you get some datas in when moving the mouse over the graph? Are they all Ok? on preopenstack > > set the height of field "infos" to the formattedheight of field "infos" > > set the top of field "infos" to (the bottom of group ID 1058 - 4) > --taking into account multiple sets of margins > > set the height of this stack to (the bottom of field "infos" - 6) > > end preopenstack > Well, personaly, I prefer changing the font (type or size) instead of changing the layout which could mess up the whole picture. MTOWTDI Regards, Thierry From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Feb 18 10:57:57 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 07:57:57 -0800 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51224F85.8060902@fourthworld.com> Rolf Kocherhans wrote: > Am I right that this also means that password protected plugins > like, for example, the great tmControl from Scott Rossi will NOT > work with the free version ? The GNU Public License is based on The Four Freedoms, as I outlined here on the 1st: Source availability is an inherent part of those four freedoms. My understanding is that the Community Edition of LiveCode cannot run stacks made with the Commercial Edition, in order to preserve those freedoms. When freely sharing source is your goal, the GPL is a good fit. When keeping code proprietary is your goal, the Commercial Edition is a good fit. Fortunately RunRev is offering both, so we can choose whichever one is a better fit for a given project. Many developers of third-party libraries have said they'll be following RunRev's lead and providing dual licenses for their add-ons as well. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From warren at warrensweb.us Mon Feb 18 11:06:29 2013 From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:06:29 -0600 Subject: Yet Another Kickstarter stack In-Reply-To: References: <512147E3.8070102@gmail.com> <5121D534.5020701@warrensweb.us> <51224262.40108@warrensweb.us> Message-ID: <51225185.5030702@warrensweb.us> On 02/18/2013 09:37 AM, Thierry Douez wrote: > Hi Warren, > > > > You're talking of the bottom field, but what about the other labels, and > the Finfos field > where you get some datas in when moving the mouse over the graph? > > Are they all Ok? > > > Well, personaly, I prefer changing the font (type or size) instead of > changing the layout > which could mess up the whole picture. > > The issue with the field "infos" is a result of putting multiple lines into a fixed height which does not accommodate them on all platforms or all users' machines. The suggested method allows for automatic adjustment according to the needs of the user's platform and whatever individual settings that user may prefer. This includes possibilities you could never predict or test for, and things you really should be careful about forcing on the user such as font and text size. It is not a significant alteration of your layout and on my Linux and Windows 7 setups is definitely an improvement. Did you try it on your Mac? More than one way? Sure. Maybe we can learn something from all the thought that's been put into displaying content in web browsers. Warren From th.douez at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 12:37:20 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:37:20 +0100 Subject: Yet Another Kickstarter stack In-Reply-To: <51225185.5030702@warrensweb.us> References: <512147E3.8070102@gmail.com> <5121D534.5020701@warrensweb.us> <51224262.40108@warrensweb.us> <51225185.5030702@warrensweb.us> Message-ID: 2013/2/18 Warren Samples > > The issue with the field "infos" is a result of putting multiple lines > into a fixed height which does not accommodate them on all platforms or all > users' machines. > New version online. Regards, Thierry From th.douez at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 12:41:20 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:41:20 +0100 Subject: Yet Another Kickstarter stack In-Reply-To: References: <512147E3.8070102@gmail.com> <5121D534.5020701@warrensweb.us> <51224262.40108@warrensweb.us> <51225185.5030702@warrensweb.us> Message-ID: Sorry, was too fast :) Only for the field "infos" (which is pretty useless in this demo) to be fully visible on Linux and some Windows. Otherwise, everything works as before. Not a big deal, but... 2013/2/18 Thierry Douez > > > New version online. > > Regards, > > Thierry > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 12:58:55 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:58:55 +0200 Subject: Yet Another Kickstarter stack In-Reply-To: References: <512147E3.8070102@gmail.com> <5121D534.5020701@warrensweb.us> <51224262.40108@warrensweb.us> <51225185.5030702@warrensweb.us> Message-ID: <51226BDF.8090009@gmail.com> On 02/18/2013 07:41 PM, Thierry Douez wrote: > Sorry, was too fast :) > > Only for the field "infos" (which is pretty useless in this demo) to be > fully visible on Linux and some Windows. > > Otherwise, everything works as before. > > Not a big deal, but... > > 2013/2/18 Thierry Douez >> >> New version online. >> >> Regards, >> >> Thierry >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Much better, over "here" on Linux :) What does "Nbackers, no match :(" mean? I get that message in an answer window when I click twice, very rapidly on the "View LiveCode kickstarter" button (which needs to be wider, and a quick exercise in Capitalisation). Richmond. From th.douez at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 13:06:41 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:06:41 +0100 Subject: Yet Another Kickstarter stack In-Reply-To: <51226BDF.8090009@gmail.com> References: <512147E3.8070102@gmail.com> <5121D534.5020701@warrensweb.us> <51224262.40108@warrensweb.us> <51225185.5030702@warrensweb.us> <51226BDF.8090009@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2013/2/18 Richmond > On 02/18/2013 07:41 PM, Thierry Douez wrote: > >> Sorry, was too fast :) >> >> Only for the field "infos" (which is pretty useless in this demo) to be >> fully visible on Linux and some Windows. >> >> Otherwise, everything works as before. >> >> Not a big deal, but... >> >> 2013/2/18 Thierry Douez >> >>> >>> New version online. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Thierry >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > Much better, over "here" on Linux :) > > What does "Nbackers, no match :(" mean? > > I get that message in an answer window when I click twice, very rapidly on > the "View LiveCode kickstarter" button (which needs to be wider, and > a quick exercise in Capitalisation). > Hey Richmond, it takes a while to download the web page. So, as an exercise you could put a flag in the script, so we can't click twice before all the process is done :) Regards, Thierry > > Richmond. > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 18 14:18:08 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 13:18:08 -0600 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: <51224F85.8060902@fourthworld.com> References: <51224F85.8060902@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <51227E70.8020002@hyperactivesw.com> Rolf Kocherhans wrote: > > Am I right that this also means that password protected plugins > like, for example, the great tmControl from Scott Rossi will NOT > work with the free version ? Correct. The free version will not contain any of the code that deciphers passwords, which means it cannot open stacks that are password protected. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 14:23:03 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:23:03 -0500 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: <51227E70.8020002@hyperactivesw.com> References: <51224F85.8060902@fourthworld.com> <51227E70.8020002@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Is that true? Isn't the password protect to stop you from looking at the scripts? Most people won't want to look at the scripts. Any attempts to decode the password should fail silently. On Feb 18, 2013, at 2:18 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > >Correct. The free version will not contain any of the code that deciphers passwords, which means it cannot open stacks that are password protected. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 18 14:23:44 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 06:23:44 +1100 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: <51224F85.8060902@fourthworld.com> References: <51224F85.8060902@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <45777077-4FB7-4A10-B4E5-711C2C7A5EDD@sweattechnologies.com> No it's just password protected ones it can't run. The GPL version can't have the password protection code otherwise it would risk everyone's commercial code. Even the enterprise source version will not have that code open but as an object file/library. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 19/02/2013, at 2:57 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > My understanding is that the Community Edition of LiveCode cannot run stacks made with the Commercial Edition, in order to preserve those freedoms. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Feb 18 14:27:39 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 11:27:39 -0800 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512280AB.6060205@fourthworld.com> Colin Holgate wrote: > Isn't the password protect to stop you from looking at the scripts? Right, and the GPL requires sharing the source, so password protection isn't relevant in any work governed by the GPL. Those who want to protect their code can use the Commercial Edition. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 14:33:33 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:33:33 -0500 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: <512280AB.6060205@fourthworld.com> References: <512280AB.6060205@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1BAC6F30-35A6-48AB-9631-49E4D61A3C65@verizon.net> As I mentioned, someone may be doing a personal project, and are not going to be releasing their app at all, should it then matter if it uses non-GPL code? Also, suppose someone makes a graphics utility plugin, that is solely used for creating graphics (non of its code will be in the final app), shouldn't GPL version users be allowed to use that plugin? I'm arguing that protected plugins should function just fine in the GPL version of LiveCode. The password protection routines won't be needed, because the user won't be attempting to look at the scripts in the protected plugin. On Feb 18, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Right, and the GPL requires sharing the source, so password protection isn't relevant in any work governed by the GPL. > > Those who want to protect their code can use the Commercial Edition. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 18 14:33:59 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 06:33:59 +1100 Subject: The kickstarter thing and animationEngine In-Reply-To: <99FF2A3C-FADC-4ECB-A2CC-87FC77308A86@derbrill.de> References: <99FF2A3C-FADC-4ECB-A2CC-87FC77308A86@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <35BEB5C2-ED36-46AE-B1BA-28CC11BF8F92@sweattechnologies.com> That's great Malte. Th GPL version will have some great plugins available freely already between SQLYoga, AE, Jan's libraries and Andre's libraries. I'm still considering my position on this but it's likely I'd gradually move to dual licensing too. This GPL version really will be a massive boon for the LiveCode community. On 18/02/2013, at 10:09 PM, Malte Brill wrote: > Hi peers, > > as I have been asked off list I might as well make a public statement here. > > If liveCode manages to become openSource, I will follow runrevs lead and make animationEngine available under a dual license. This will mean, you will get to see all the scripts I wrote for it over the past 7 years (shortly after a cleanup phase. Need to remove all those german swearing comments, unless somebody is really interested in those. ) > > I will be removing the password protection from the code and I have no intention to cripple it in any way. Full thing for the OSS users. If someone will want to use it commercially they will still be needing a license to do so. I have been asked how I was going to police that. Well, I trust honest people will be honest and if AE saves them time in a commercial app, they will want to keep its development alive by purchasing a license. Pretty straightforward. > > I am so looking forward to liveCode becoming dual licensed. If you have any interest in LC + AE, please make a pledge. Tis the right thing for me and I guess development of AE will largely benefit from that too. > > Cheers, > > Malte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From userev at canelasoftware.com Mon Feb 18 14:36:27 2013 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 11:36:27 -0800 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: <1BAC6F30-35A6-48AB-9631-49E4D61A3C65@verizon.net> References: <512280AB.6060205@fourthworld.com> <1BAC6F30-35A6-48AB-9631-49E4D61A3C65@verizon.net> Message-ID: <84B69552-6541-4476-8973-0C1EA93EE4DE@canelasoftware.com> On Feb 18, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > I'm arguing that protected plugins should function just fine in the GPL version of LiveCode. The password protection routines won't be needed, because the user won't be attempting to look at the scripts in the protected plugin. The code is decrypted on the fly internally in LC. Thus, the C code to decrypt the LC code would be available to all and thus compromise the commercial apps. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 18 14:36:54 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 06:36:54 +1100 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: References: <51224F85.8060902@fourthworld.com> <51227E70.8020002@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On 19/02/2013, at 6:23 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Is that true? Isn't the password protect to stop you from looking at the scripts? Most people won't want to look at the scripts. Any attempts to decode the password should fail silently. The engine needs to decode the scripts to execute them. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 14:41:11 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:41:11 -0500 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: References: <51224F85.8060902@fourthworld.com> <51227E70.8020002@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <96D97232-DFA8-4C1F-9ED5-B89DD551D9F5@verizon.net> Well, there's your problem then! Hopefully there will be a way for plugin makers to create plugins that can work for the GPL version, if need be by using a different way to protect their code. On Feb 18, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > >The engine needs to decode the scripts to execute them. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 18 14:45:41 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 06:45:41 +1100 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: <1BAC6F30-35A6-48AB-9631-49E4D61A3C65@verizon.net> References: <512280AB.6060205@fourthworld.com> <1BAC6F30-35A6-48AB-9631-49E4D61A3C65@verizon.net> Message-ID: On 19/02/2013, at 6:33 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > As I mentioned, someone may be doing a personal project, and are not going to be releasing their app at all, should it then matter if it uses non-GPL code? I don't believe the GPL applies until distribution. > > Also, suppose someone makes a graphics utility plugin, that is solely used for creating graphics (non of its code will be in the final app), shouldn't GPL version users be allowed to use that plugin? Sure, but the plugin would need to be released in a form that can be used sans password protection. I release all my plugins without any password protection but they are not GPL. You could use them in the GPL version though but not include them in any distributed app. That's why many plugin developers (as we have heard already) will be going dual license. There are workarounds we discussed on the vendors list for some plugin types that are helpers rather than libraries. You could have an open UI plugin for your code and it could interact with a separate process that is closed source. Much simpler to go dual license though and great marketing for when people eventually go commercial. Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 18 14:57:20 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 06:57:20 +1100 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: <96D97232-DFA8-4C1F-9ED5-B89DD551D9F5@verizon.net> References: <51224F85.8060902@fourthworld.com> <51227E70.8020002@hyperactivesw.com> <96D97232-DFA8-4C1F-9ED5-B89DD551D9F5@verizon.net> Message-ID: <0DD938C2-2CDA-43F4-A818-951B98261B37@sweattechnologies.com> On 19/02/2013, at 6:41 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Well, there's your problem then! Hopefully there will be a way for plugin makers to create plugins that can work for the GPL version, if need be by using a different way to protect their code. Ideally most will see the advantage of dual licensing. What's going to happen is there's going to be lots and lots of people building 99% of their app using the GPL version and only buying commercial when they are ready to release. If people have been using the plugin then they will need a license for that too... unless the plugin is just a helper. Helpers are a little more complicated because unless some code is included in the distributed app then dual licensing won't help the developer. It could still be released under a standard commercial license that inhibits distribution but it would need to be unprotected. Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Mon Feb 18 15:04:54 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:04:54 -0500 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <19B3DE3D-5FB1-40C8-988C-B5F3DE5073A0@gmail.com> <59A9D689-32F7-4759-975A-808211156F1B@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: it is, but I don't think we should settle for that, either. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > Here's an interesting real(ish) world example: > http://www.leancrew.com/all-this/2011/12/more-shell-less-egg/ > > The goal is to find the ten most common words in a text file. > > Donald Knuth wrote something in literate code form, in Pascal. The result > was ten pages of code. In the article, Doug McIlroy wrote it in shell > script as: > > 1 tr -cs A-Za-z '\n' |2 tr A-Z a-z |3 sort |4 uniq -c |5 sort -rn > |6 sed ${1}q > > and called out Knuth on his supposedly more clear, ten-page solution. > > It turns out six lines of transcript accomplishes the same thing: > > repeat for each word w in replacetext(url ("file:" & > filePath),"(?i)[^a-z]"," ") > add 1 to c[w] > end repeat > combine c using cr and comma > sort lines of c descending numeric by item 2 of each > put line 1 to 10 of c > > If anyone can do it more elegantly, I'm curious to know how. But in a > language where we can write our own syntax, this seems likely to be > possible: > > put file filePath with all non-alphabetic characters replaced with space > into fileString > for each unique word w in fileString, put w,the count of w & cr after > countList > put the first 10 lines of countList sorted numeric descending by item 2 > > Maybe that's not clearer, but it should be possible. > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Monte Goulding < > > monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote: > > > >> In my example I used "each line OF x" rather than "each line IN x". I > >> often get caught on repeat for each line X IN y when I write OF. Could I > >> add OF to the repeat syntax so it didn't matter? It seems natural to me > >> either way. If not then perhaps our syntax should be: > >> > >> trim each line in X > >> > > > > > > The impression I got was that the new language ability would make it > > fairly simple (or at least possible) to allow for either of or in. I'm > > right there with you -- I don't actually code that often anymore, but > > nearly every time I do, I mix up of and in. In my perfect world the > > prepositions would be interchangeable and likely not significant, so of, > > in, through, across, within, and maybe others. > > > > gc > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Mon Feb 18 15:07:20 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:07:20 -0500 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <19B3DE3D-5FB1-40C8-988C-B5F3DE5073A0@gmail.com> <59A9D689-32F7-4759-975A-808211156F1B@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: and as long as I'm thinking about it, the possibility of (more readily) making english-like syntax more so makes open sourcing much more interesting - as long as I don't feel like I'm coding in COBOL when we're done. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > it is, but I don't think we should settle for that, either. > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > >> Here's an interesting real(ish) world example: >> http://www.leancrew.com/all-this/2011/12/more-shell-less-egg/ >> >> The goal is to find the ten most common words in a text file. >> >> Donald Knuth wrote something in literate code form, in Pascal. The result >> was ten pages of code. In the article, Doug McIlroy wrote it in shell >> script as: >> >> 1 tr -cs A-Za-z '\n' |2 tr A-Z a-z |3 sort |4 uniq -c |5 sort -rn >> |6 sed ${1}q >> >> and called out Knuth on his supposedly more clear, ten-page solution. >> >> It turns out six lines of transcript accomplishes the same thing: >> >> repeat for each word w in replacetext(url ("file:" & >> filePath),"(?i)[^a-z]"," ") >> add 1 to c[w] >> end repeat >> combine c using cr and comma >> sort lines of c descending numeric by item 2 of each >> put line 1 to 10 of c >> >> If anyone can do it more elegantly, I'm curious to know how. But in a >> language where we can write our own syntax, this seems likely to be >> possible: >> >> put file filePath with all non-alphabetic characters replaced with space >> into fileString >> for each unique word w in fileString, put w,the count of w & cr after >> countList >> put the first 10 lines of countList sorted numeric descending by item 2 >> >> Maybe that's not clearer, but it should be possible. >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: >> >> > >> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Monte Goulding < >> > monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote: >> > >> >> In my example I used "each line OF x" rather than "each line IN x". I >> >> often get caught on repeat for each line X IN y when I write OF. Could >> I >> >> add OF to the repeat syntax so it didn't matter? It seems natural to me >> >> either way. If not then perhaps our syntax should be: >> >> >> >> trim each line in X >> >> >> > >> > >> > The impression I got was that the new language ability would make it >> > fairly simple (or at least possible) to allow for either of or in. I'm >> > right there with you -- I don't actually code that often anymore, but >> > nearly every time I do, I mix up of and in. In my perfect world the >> > prepositions would be interchangeable and likely not significant, so of, >> > in, through, across, within, and maybe others. >> > >> > gc >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 18 16:20:48 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:20:48 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <19B3DE3D-5FB1-40C8-988C-B5F3DE5073A0@gmail.com> <59A9D689-32F7-4759-975A-808211156F1B@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <15014B67-4E6F-425F-A451-CC2150D0C748@sweattechnologies.com> Hmm... I think your code using current syntax is actually clearer than the proposed syntax. I definitely don't like adding meaningful comma given the confusion with items... You could replace that with a semi-colon or new line though. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 18/02/2013, at 5:13 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > Here's an interesting real(ish) world example: > http://www.leancrew.com/all-this/2011/12/more-shell-less-egg/ > > The goal is to find the ten most common words in a text file. > > Donald Knuth wrote something in literate code form, in Pascal. The result > was ten pages of code. In the article, Doug McIlroy wrote it in shell > script as: > > 1 tr -cs A-Za-z '\n' |2 tr A-Z a-z |3 sort |4 uniq -c |5 sort -rn > |6 sed ${1}q > > and called out Knuth on his supposedly more clear, ten-page solution. > > It turns out six lines of transcript accomplishes the same thing: > > repeat for each word w in replacetext(url ("file:" & > filePath),"(?i)[^a-z]"," ") > add 1 to c[w] > end repeat > combine c using cr and comma > sort lines of c descending numeric by item 2 of each > put line 1 to 10 of c > > If anyone can do it more elegantly, I'm curious to know how. But in a > language where we can write our own syntax, this seems likely to be > possible: > > put file filePath with all non-alphabetic characters replaced with space > into fileString > for each unique word w in fileString, put w,the count of w & cr after > countList > put the first 10 lines of countList sorted numeric descending by item 2 > > Maybe that's not clearer, but it should be possible. > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Monte Goulding < >> monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote: >> >>> In my example I used "each line OF x" rather than "each line IN x". I >>> often get caught on repeat for each line X IN y when I write OF. Could I >>> add OF to the repeat syntax so it didn't matter? It seems natural to me >>> either way. If not then perhaps our syntax should be: >>> >>> trim each line in X >> >> >> The impression I got was that the new language ability would make it >> fairly simple (or at least possible) to allow for either of or in. I'm >> right there with you -- I don't actually code that often anymore, but >> nearly every time I do, I mix up of and in. In my perfect world the >> prepositions would be interchangeable and likely not significant, so of, >> in, through, across, within, and maybe others. >> >> gc > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 18 17:49:16 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:49:16 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <4B3EFC0B-A412-402E-B14B-AC0D8C076EAB@sweattechnologies.com> <511C14D7.4030704@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <33D3C103-8E70-4C92-9262-A51E7144F857@sweattechnologies.com> OK... so Geoff I've put you down on the list ;-) Actually I think you and Alex T might get along with the "each in " syntax. Also Malte... I've added that your dual licensing AE. ENGINE - Mobile sockets - engine (Monte) - Nested behaviors so you can set the behavior of a behavior (Monte) - Getting the long id of an icon/pattern given the context of the object it's applied to (Monte) - Adding a "reverseOffset", "reverseLineOffset", etc. (AlexT) - Put in the optimization so that "line -1" (line -N) uses the equivalent of reverseOffset ather than scanning forward through the whole string (AlexT) (and, stretch goal ... - invent language and engine code to allow efficient use of sequential lines (or items) of a string (c.f. repeat for each line L) but in a more general context (AlexT) - language enhancements with a focus on chunk syntax (Geoff) IDE - VCS integration into the IDE most likely focussed on git & mercurial (Monte) - Work out why the standalone settings won't let you build for mobile and desktop with one stack and fix (Monte) - Fix the bug in the docs stack where you can't type in the search field (Monte) - Fix the script library support in the IDE user extensions and standalone builder (Monte) LIBRARIES - Make SQL Yoga available under a dual license (maybe what Jan did for PDF?) and implementing a readable syntax using Open Language once it is available. (Trevor) - Dual-license Animation Engine (Malte) -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From pete at lcsql.com Mon Feb 18 20:03:20 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:03:20 +1300 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: <0DD938C2-2CDA-43F4-A818-951B98261B37@sweattechnologies.com> References: <51224F85.8060902@fourthworld.com> <51227E70.8020002@hyperactivesw.com> <96D97232-DFA8-4C1F-9ED5-B89DD551D9F5@verizon.net> <0DD938C2-2CDA-43F4-A818-951B98261B37@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Hi Monte, I'm still somewhat confused by GPS licensing for plugins, especially helpers like my lcStackbrowser. It's purely a dev tool, nothing to be included in a standalone. I'm under the impression I cannot charge for it under the GPS license. In the scenario where debs use the gel version and only buy a commercial license, it seems it's dead in the water. It is password protected but I've benn considering dropping that since LC does not provide a way to intercept runtime errors and do something other than display the script password prompt. Makes support somewhat of a crapshoot, Pete On Tuesday, February 19, 2013, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 19/02/2013, at 6:41 AM, Colin Holgate > > wrote: > > > Well, there's your problem then! Hopefully there will be a way for > plugin makers to create plugins that can work for the GPL version, if need > be by using a different way to protect their code. > > Ideally most will see the advantage of dual licensing. What's going to > happen is there's going to be lots and lots of people building 99% of their > app using the GPL version and only buying commercial when they are ready to > release. If people have been using the plugin then they will need a license > for that too... unless the plugin is just a helper. Helpers are a little > more complicated because unless some code is included in the distributed > app then dual licensing won't help the developer. It could still be > released under a standard commercial license that inhibits distribution but > it would need to be unprotected. > > Cheers > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Pete lcSQL Software From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 18 20:36:27 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:36:27 +1100 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: References: <51224F85.8060902@fourthworld.com> <51227E70.8020002@hyperactivesw.com> <96D97232-DFA8-4C1F-9ED5-B89DD551D9F5@verizon.net> <0DD938C2-2CDA-43F4-A818-951B98261B37@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: On 19/02/2013, at 12:03 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > I'm still somewhat confused by GPS licensing for plugins, especially > helpers like my lcStackbrowser. It's purely a dev tool, nothing to be > included in a standalone. I'm under the impression I cannot charge for it > under the GPS license. In the scenario where debs use the gel version and > only buy a commercial license, it seems it's dead in the water. I'm fairly sure you mean GPL not GPS.... Anyway, you can charge for GPL software but there's nothing to stop the first person you sell it to redistributing it. Unless you are distributing LC with your plugin my understanding is you can apply any license you like so you could use a commercial license which does not permit redistribution. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Feb 18 20:36:05 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:36:05 -0800 Subject: about the GPL version, and password protection... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5122D705.4090601@fourthworld.com> Peter Haworth wrote: > I'm still somewhat confused by GPS licensing for plugins, especially > helpers like my lcStackbrowser. It's purely a dev tool, nothing to be > included in a standalone. I'm under the impression I cannot charge for it > under the GPS license. The GPL does not place any restrictions on whether or not you ask a price for software (the GPL is about "free as in freedom", not "free as in beer"). In fact, Stallman himself used to sell floppies with GNU utilities. But since the source code must be available for most projects, and anyone receiving the code has the freedom to share it however they like, in the Internet age where everything is just one click away and there's no need to reproduce software on disk selling GPL'd software is rarely done. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From gcanyon at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 20:36:07 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:36:07 -0600 Subject: Google drive authentication? Message-ID: Has anyone downloaded files from google drive? More to the point, what's the correct method to retrieve and maintain/use an authorization token? I've run into this issue several times: with google drive, with making requests to jira, etc., and always come up confused with how to handle authentication unless I can put ?user=gcanyon&password=12341234 at the end of my URLs From drdada at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 20:39:28 2013 From: drdada at gmail.com (Jonathan Cooper) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:39:28 +1100 Subject: Set default keyboard layout (for other language) for a field Message-ID: I've just created a stack with fields that will contain text in Esperanto. I have a keyboard layout ("Esperanto-sc") installed on my Mac that allows me to type special accented Esperanto characters (eg, "?", "?"). If I click in a field and *then* change the keyboard layout from (the default) "Australian" to "Esperanto-sc", I'm able to type Esperanto characters OK, but as soon as I exit the field, the keyboard layout switches back to "Australian". Is there any way to stop this happening? Or, failing that, to have Livecode automatically set the keyboard layout as soon as the field is opened? I've searched the archives and all I can find are some old messages (2003) about storing a coded version of a field's UniCode content in a hidden field, but that seems unnecessarily complex (and doesn't solve the problem of how to enter the text in the first place). Thanks. -- Jonathan Cooper http://doctordada.com From gcanyon at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 20:46:13 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:46:13 -0600 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: <15014B67-4E6F-425F-A451-CC2150D0C748@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <19B3DE3D-5FB1-40C8-988C-B5F3DE5073A0@gmail.com> <59A9D689-32F7-4759-975A-808211156F1B@sweattechnologies.com> <15014B67-4E6F-425F-A451-CC2150D0C748@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: yeah, I wasn't happy with that syntax as I was typing it. Part of the beauty of being able to create/share syntax is that others can improve on what you come up with, and only the good syntax survives into general usage. Maybe this would be better: put file filePath with all non-alphabetic characters replaced with space into fileString for each unique word w in fileString put w,the count of w & cr after countList end for put the first 10 lines of countList sorted numeric descending by item 2 or maybe this: put file filePath with all non-alphabetic characters replaced with space into fileString put ((each unique word w),(the count of w)&cr) in fileString into countList put the first 10 lines of countList sorted numeric descending by item 2 or heck, maybe this -- I rather like the use of "individual" to represent the non-alphabetic replacement in the earlier examples: put the 10 commonest individual words in file filepath along with comma & the count of each & cr but again, only actual experimentation with real developers will determine what makes intuitive sense and what is just useless too-specific jargon. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Hmm... I think your code using current syntax is actually clearer than the > proposed syntax. I definitely don't like adding meaningful comma given the > confusion with items... You could replace that with a semi-colon or new > line though. > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 18/02/2013, at 5:13 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > > > Here's an interesting real(ish) world example: > > http://www.leancrew.com/all-this/2011/12/more-shell-less-egg/ > > > > The goal is to find the ten most common words in a text file. > > > > Donald Knuth wrote something in literate code form, in Pascal. The result > > was ten pages of code. In the article, Doug McIlroy wrote it in shell > > script as: > > > > 1 tr -cs A-Za-z '\n' |2 tr A-Z a-z |3 sort |4 uniq -c |5 sort -rn > > |6 sed ${1}q > > > > and called out Knuth on his supposedly more clear, ten-page solution. > > > > It turns out six lines of transcript accomplishes the same thing: > > > > repeat for each word w in replacetext(url ("file:" & > > filePath),"(?i)[^a-z]"," ") > > add 1 to c[w] > > end repeat > > combine c using cr and comma > > sort lines of c descending numeric by item 2 of each > > put line 1 to 10 of c > > > > If anyone can do it more elegantly, I'm curious to know how. But in a > > language where we can write our own syntax, this seems likely to be > > possible: > > > > put file filePath with all non-alphabetic characters replaced with space > > into fileString > > for each unique word w in fileString, put w,the count of w & cr after > > countList > > put the first 10 lines of countList sorted numeric descending by item 2 > > > > Maybe that's not clearer, but it should be possible. > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > > > >> > >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Monte Goulding < > >> monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote: > >> > >>> In my example I used "each line OF x" rather than "each line IN x". I > >>> often get caught on repeat for each line X IN y when I write OF. Could > I > >>> add OF to the repeat syntax so it didn't matter? It seems natural to me > >>> either way. If not then perhaps our syntax should be: > >>> > >>> trim each line in X > >> > >> > >> The impression I got was that the new language ability would make it > >> fairly simple (or at least possible) to allow for either of or in. I'm > >> right there with you -- I don't actually code that often anymore, but > >> nearly every time I do, I mix up of and in. In my perfect world the > >> prepositions would be interchangeable and likely not significant, so of, > >> in, through, across, within, and maybe others. > >> > >> gc > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Feb 18 20:55:42 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 02:55:42 +0100 Subject: Set default keyboard layout (for other language) for a field In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jonathan, We did this for a client. We have a working Mac solution. Currently, the Windows solution works only in theory but I'd be happy to investigate further. Contact me off-list of you're interested. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. On 19 feb 2013, at 02:39, Jonathan Cooper wrote: > I've just created a stack with fields that will contain text in Esperanto. > I have a keyboard layout ("Esperanto-sc") installed on my Mac that allows > me to type special accented Esperanto characters (eg, "?", "?"). If I click > in a field and *then* change the keyboard layout from (the default) > "Australian" to "Esperanto-sc", I'm able to type Esperanto characters OK, > but as soon as I exit the field, the keyboard layout switches back to > "Australian". Is there any way to stop this happening? Or, failing that, to > have Livecode automatically set the keyboard layout as soon as the field is > opened? > > I've searched the archives and all I can find are some old messages (2003) > about storing a coded version of a field's UniCode content in a hidden > field, but that seems unnecessarily complex (and doesn't solve the problem > of how to enter the text in the first place). > > Thanks. > > -- > Jonathan Cooper > http://doctordada.com From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 18 21:58:13 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:58:13 +1100 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <19B3DE3D-5FB1-40C8-988C-B5F3DE5073A0@gmail.com> <59A9D689-32F7-4759-975A-808211156F1B@sweattechnologies.com> <15014B67-4E6F-425F-A451-CC2150D0C748@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Hmm... is w something more than a string... how could it have a count? SQL uses distinct... might be good to use that... commonest??? ;-) Also... why are we dropping repeat? Here's something nice: ordered repeats ;-) How about: put file filePath into fileString filter the characters of fileString with "(?i)[a-z]" repeat for each distinct word theWord with count theCount ordered by theCount numeric descending put theWord,theCount &cr after theList if the number of lines of theList = 10 then exit repeat end repeat -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From igor at semperuna.com Mon Feb 18 22:18:17 2013 From: igor at semperuna.com (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:18:17 +1100 Subject: Set default keyboard layout (for other language) for a field In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A9DFE74-30F1-4D74-BA1A-425B9975569A@semperuna.com> Saluton, Jonathan! On 19/02/2013, at 12:39 PM, Jonathan Cooper wrote: > I've just created a stack with fields that will contain text in Esperanto. > I have a keyboard layout ("Esperanto-sc") installed on my Mac that allows > me to type special accented Esperanto characters (eg, "?", "?"). I speak Esperanto fluently, and in the past have been quite active in the Esperanto community in Australia. The easiest way to type Esperanto with your Mac is not by using a dedicated or custom-made keyboard layout, but by using a layout that is already pre-shipped as standard on every Mac installation: the 'US Extended" layout. This layout allows you to type just about *every* accented character in all latin-based alphabets. Using the 'US Extended' layout, you type the Esperanto characters like this: * to type ?, ?, ?, ?, or ?, type "Option+6" to activate the circumflex, then the base character you want. * to type ?, type "Option+B" (for 'breve', the name of the accent), then 'u'. The advantage of using the 'US Extended' layout, is that it can also handle *all* other accented letters, from latin-based languages. I regularly have to write text in Brazilian Portuguese, for instance, which uses ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ? and ? - and I do it all from the same 'US Extended' layout. I can confirm from first-hand experience that using the same layout you can also type text in Spanish, French, German, Polish, Icelandic, Maori and even Ghanan! These days, a user will normally only change keyboard layouts if they are changing *alphabets* - ie., if they are changing from a latin-based language to a cyrillic language - or greek, arabic, hebrew, chinese, etc. If you're sticking to latin languages, then you should be able to use a single keyboard layout. You will find, that 'extended' latin layouts exist in other systems as well. I know that a similar, all-ecompassing latin layout exists by default in the standard Ubuntu linux instal, and I would be very surprised if nothing like this were to be found in the current versions of Windows. I hope this information helps! Se vi ankora? havas dubojn, a? se vi bezonas pli da informoj - a? se vi simple volas ekzerci vian Esperanton per babilado kun amika samideano - ne hezitu kontakti min eksterliste! :-) Dezirante al vi sukceson en viaj esperantaj laboroj, -- Igor Couto Sydney, Australia From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 18 22:25:25 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 22:25:25 -0500 Subject: [OT] vote for my app... In-Reply-To: <6203F9B7-585A-4154-81B2-47973EBDCD32@verizon.net> References: <6203F9B7-585A-4154-81B2-47973EBDCD32@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2779D781-CC48-4296-8308-9E17CBBFED96@verizon.net> A couple of you voted for my app, thanks. The top six in each category go through to the finals, and right now we're in seventh place, needing 10 notes to catch up with sixth place. The voting ends today! If you were thinking of voting, right now would be a very good time to do so! Thanks. Here's the link to the app I made: http://shortyawards.com/LoveHeckerty From igor at semperuna.com Mon Feb 18 23:42:35 2013 From: igor at semperuna.com (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:42:35 +1100 Subject: Set default keyboard layout (for other language) for a field In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An alternative: On 19/02/2013, at 12:39 PM, Jonathan Cooper wrote: > Or, failing that, to > have Livecode automatically set the keyboard layout as soon as the field is > opened? That may not be always reliable, as in some systems - like the Mac - the user has to explicitly 'enable' the keyboard layout (in System Preferences), for it to be available. There is, however, a more 'low-tech' solution. Many years ago, before people were able to easily type accented letters on the internet, it was common to see an 'alternative' Esperanto spelling, which used 'x' - a letter that doesn't exist in Esperanto - where an accent should be used. So, for instance, instead of typing "?", the user would type "cx". Instead of typing "?", the user would type "ux". I remember, that I developed an online forum that scanned for the appropriate letter combinations in user posts (cx, gx, hx, jx, sx and ux), and automatically replaced them with the 'correct', accented characters: ?, ?, ?, ?, ? and ?. In Livecode, this kind of 'search-and-replace' could be done quite easily in a field script - either on 'textChanged', or on 'closeField'. I imagine something like this would do: on closeField // because we cannot hard-code unicode characters into our script // it's easier to use the 'htmlText' property to deal with unicode chars: local tHTMLContent put the htmlText of me into tHTMLContent // replace all the x-letters with their equivalent html entities: replace "cx" with "ĉ" in tHTMLContent replace "CX" with "Ĉ" in tHTMLContent replace "gx" with "ĝ" in tHTMLContent replace "GX" with "Ĝ" in tHTMLContent replace "hx" with "ĥ" in tHTMLContent replace "HX" with "Ĥ" in tHTMLContent replace "jx" with "ĵ" in tHTMLContent replace "JX" with "Ĵ" in tHTMLContent replace "sx" with "ŝ" in tHTMLContent replace "SX" with "Ŝ" in tHTMLContent replace "uxx" with "ŭ" in tHTMLContent -- we don't want to have problems replace "UXX" with "Ŭ" in tHTMLContent -- with English words like 'auxiliary'... // put the replaced text back in the field: set the htmlText of me to tHTMLContent end closeField This already provides a workable solution. For an more polished user experience, you can try developing a script that is more forgiving when the user mixes upper- and lower-case 'x's, like "Cx" and "cX". You can also try to develop a script that would do the replacing on 'textChanged' rather than on 'closeField', but you will then have to use 'the selectedChunk' and some basic maths in order not to loose the user's insertion point place in the text, as you replace the characters. I hope this helps! Kind regards, -- Igor Couto Sydney, Australia From gcanyon at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 00:04:28 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:04:28 -0600 Subject: What do you want to contribute? In-Reply-To: References: <8B3FAAC9-5D55-4C92-9B0A-2AB4B445BD12@sweattechnologies.com> <19B3DE3D-5FB1-40C8-988C-B5F3DE5073A0@gmail.com> <59A9D689-32F7-4759-975A-808211156F1B@sweattechnologies.com> <15014B67-4E6F-425F-A451-CC2150D0C748@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: w is a string, but I'm assuming that in context, syntax like "count of" would make sense syntactically, and that the language could make it work. yeah, commonest sucks, but I didn't want to push it by going with two words like "most common." Also, given how specific the use case is, it would likely not work as syntax. "for each" seems like a reasonable synonym for "repeat for each," Your example seems like a reasonable alternative. My goal wasn't to define the one true syntax for this example, but just to throw out some alternatives to suggest what I think should be possible. In practice, whatever makes sense to enough people will be the syntax that survives. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Hmm... is w something more than a string... how could it have a count? > > SQL uses distinct... might be good to use that... > > commonest??? ;-) > > Also... why are we dropping repeat? > > Here's something nice: ordered repeats ;-) > > How about: > > put file filePath into fileString > filter the characters of fileString with "(?i)[a-z]" > repeat for each distinct word theWord with count theCount ordered by > theCount numeric descending > put theWord,theCount &cr after theList > if the number of lines of theList = 10 then exit repeat > end repeat > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From igor at semperuna.com Tue Feb 19 00:18:16 2013 From: igor at semperuna.com (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:18:16 +1100 Subject: Set default keyboard layout (for other language) for a field In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jonathan, I couldn't resist, and ended up trying this out myself: On 19/02/2013, at 3:42 PM, Igor de Oliveira Couto wrote: > For an more polished user experience, you can try developing a script that is more forgiving when the user mixes upper- and lower-case 'x's, like "Cx" and "cX". You can also try to develop a script that would do the replacing on 'textChanged' rather than on 'closeField', but you will then have to use 'the selectedChunk' and some basic maths in order not to loose the user's insertion point place in the text, as you replace the characters. I managed to get a 'quick-and-dirty' version working, already. It will still need to be improved quite a bit, and cover cases I haven't thought of, but it seems to be a good starting point. Paste this in the script of a field: on textChanged local tSel put the selectedChunk into tSel set the htmlText of me to xSystemToUnicode(the htmlText of me) select after tSel end textChanged function xSystemToUnicode pHTMLTxt replace "cx" with "ĉ" in pHTMLTxt replace "cX" with "ĉ" in pHTMLTxt replace "Cx" with "Ĉ" in pHTMLTxt replace "CX" with "Ĉ" in pHTMLTxt replace "gx" with "ĝ" in pHTMLTxt replace "gX" with "ĝ" in pHTMLTxt replace "Gx" with "Ĝ" in pHTMLTxt replace "GX" with "Ĝ" in pHTMLTxt replace "hx" with "ĥ" in pHTMLTxt replace "hX" with "ĥ" in pHTMLTxt replace "Hx" with "Ĥ" in pHTMLTxt replace "HX" with "Ĥ" in pHTMLTxt replace "jx" with "ĵ" in pHTMLTxt replace "jX" with "ĵ" in pHTMLTxt replace "Jx" with "Ĵ" in pHTMLTxt replace "JX" with "Ĵ" in pHTMLTxt replace "sx" with "ŝ" in pHTMLTxt replace "sX" with "ŝ" in pHTMLTxt replace "Sx" with "Ŝ" in pHTMLTxt replace "SX" with "Ŝ" in pHTMLTxt replace "uxx" with "ŭ" in pHTMLTxt -- we don't want to have problems replace "uxX" with "ŭ" in pHTMLTxt -- with English words like 'auxiliary'... replace "uXX" with "ŭ" in pHTMLTxt replace "uXx" with "ŭ" in pHTMLTxt replace "Uxx" with "Ŭ" in pHTMLTxt replace "UXx" with "Ŭ" in pHTMLTxt replace "UxX" with "Ŭ" in pHTMLTxt replace "UXX" with "Ŭ" in pHTMLTxt return pHTMLTxt end xSystemToUnicode Then, try typing a sentence in Esperanto in the field, using the x-method, such as: "Mi nomigxas Jocxjo!" The letters should automagically convert from the x-system to the proper, accented characters, as you type. The function above also has built-in 'forgiveness' for mismatching the case of the 'x' - if you type an uppercase 'C' and a lowercase 'x', it will convert it to an uppercase '?'. I hope this helps! -- Igor Couto Sydney, Australia From drdada at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 00:31:59 2013 From: drdada at gmail.com (Jonathan Cooper) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:31:59 +1100 Subject: Set default keyboard layout (for other language) for a field Message-ID: > > From: Igor de Oliveira Couto > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:18:17 +1100 > Saluton, Jonathan! > On 19/02/2013, at 12:39 PM, Jonathan Cooper wrote: > > I've just created a stack with fields that will contain text in > Esperanto. > > I have a keyboard layout ("Esperanto-sc") installed on my Mac that allows > > me to type special accented Esperanto characters (eg, "?", "?"). > I speak Esperanto fluently, and in the past have been quite active in the > Esperanto community in Australia. > Saluton, Igor! Mi miras ke mi ne renkontis vin ?is nun. Eble balda?... > The easiest way to type Esperanto with your Mac is not by using a > dedicated or custom-made keyboard layout, but by using a layout that is > already pre-shipped as standard on every Mac installation: the 'US > Extended" layout. ... > Thank you so much. That seems like the best solution by far. I have started using it already and I'm sure I'll be using option-6 and option-b 'automatically' pretty soon. Another big advantage of "US Extended" over "Esperanto-sc" is that keyboard shortcuts like cmd-c and cmd-v still work! Se vi ankora? havas dubojn, a? se vi bezonas pli da informoj - a? se vi > simple volas ekzerci vian Esperanton per babilado kun amika samideano - ne > hezitu kontakti min eksterliste! :-) > Mi scivolis ?u ekzistus Esperantistoj kiuj uzas la programon Livecode, sed mi ne imagis ke iu lo?us tiel malproksime al mi! (Mi lo?as apud Gosfordo, kaj estas ano de la E-grupo de la Centra Marbordo.) Dezirante al vi sukceson en viaj esperantaj laboroj, > Dankon, la saman al vi. :-) > Or, failing that, to > > have Livecode automatically set the keyboard layout as soon as the field > is > > opened? > That may not be always reliable, as in some systems - like the Mac - the > user has to explicitly 'enable' the keyboard layout (in System > Preferences), for it to be available. There is, however, a more 'low-tech' > solution. > Many years ago, before people were able to easily type accented letters on > the internet, it was common to see an 'alternative' Esperanto spelling, > which used 'x' - a letter that doesn't exist in Esperanto - where an accent > should be used. > Yes, I'm familiar with that system. I've found that, even in 2013, many Esperantists still send emails, and create web pages, using cx, gx, etc. Vortaro.net supports it, I see. I also wondered whether I might implement this in my stack but, unless I decide to release this or some other Esperanto-stack publicly, I probably won't bother. But your code will be a very good start if I do. :-) From: Mark Schonewille > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 02:55:42 +0100 > Hi Jonathan, > We did this for a client. We have a working Mac solution. Currently, the > Windows solution works only in theory but I'd be happy to investigate > further. Contact me off-list of you're interested. > -- > Best regards, > Mark Schonewille Thanks very much for the offer, Mark, but Igor's solution is so straightforward (and the stack is only for my own use -- so far) that I will just use that. Regards, Jonathan -- Jonathan Cooper http://doctordada.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 08:15:45 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:15:45 +0200 Subject: Project Update #7: Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source) by RunRev Ltd In-Reply-To: <5122a14cf1fcb_422f5085bf62179925@domU-12-31-38-01-80-61.mail> References: <5122a14cf1fcb_422f5085bf62179925@domU-12-31-38-01-80-61.mail> Message-ID: <51237B01.4080702@gmail.com> Ben Beaumont's latest thing on the Kickstarter web-site is very interesting . . . However, I, also have some "pretty pictures" (i.e. mockups) of interface enhancements, and was wondering if RunRev, along with their Open Source initiative, might think of opening a blog where users can upload images as well as text to show off any ideas. Richmond. From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Tue Feb 19 10:01:15 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:01:15 -0500 Subject: Project Update #7: Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source) by RunRev Ltd In-Reply-To: <51237B01.4080702@gmail.com> References: <5122a14cf1fcb_422f5085bf62179925@domU-12-31-38-01-80-61.mail> <51237B01.4080702@gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree with you Richmond. There are many talented interface designers on this list, and having a place to express design ideas pictorially would be awesome. It would need to be structured so that we could vote the best features into the new interface as a whole. They don't even have to work yet, but if the design is intuitive, RunRev can add the working scripts (or this list, or the open-source community can). ~Roger On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Richmond wrote: > Ben Beaumont's latest thing on the Kickstarter web-site is very > interesting . . . > > However, I, also have some "pretty pictures" (i.e. mockups) of interface > enhancements, > > and was wondering if RunRev, along with their Open Source initiative, > might think > of opening a blog where users can upload images as well as text to show > off any > ideas. > > Richmond. > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From dunbarx at aol.com Tue Feb 19 10:20:47 2013 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:20:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OT] vote for my app... In-Reply-To: <2779D781-CC48-4296-8308-9E17CBBFED96@verizon.net> References: <6203F9B7-585A-4154-81B2-47973EBDCD32@verizon.net> <2779D781-CC48-4296-8308-9E17CBBFED96@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8CFDCCBD39CA64E-11E4-2F40@webmail-m150.sysops.aol.com> Colin. I don't tweet. How do I vote? I only see a tweet way to do so. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Colin Holgate To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Mon, Feb 18, 2013 10:26 pm Subject: Re: [OT] vote for my app... A couple of you voted for my app, thanks. The top six in each category go through to the finals, and right now we're in seventh place, needing 10 notes to catch up with sixth place. The voting ends today! If you were thinking of voting, right now would be a very good time to do so! Thanks. Here's the link to the app I made: http://shortyawards.com/LoveHeckerty _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 19 10:29:16 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:29:16 -0500 Subject: [OT] vote for my app... In-Reply-To: <8CFDCCBD39CA64E-11E4-2F40@webmail-m150.sysops.aol.com> References: <6203F9B7-585A-4154-81B2-47973EBDCD32@verizon.net> <2779D781-CC48-4296-8308-9E17CBBFED96@verizon.net> <8CFDCCBD39CA64E-11E4-2F40@webmail-m150.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4239BA88-CCD9-4344-ADB9-F7B12B1E087F@verizon.net> Yes, indeed, it seems to be that way. The voting ended at midnight, but fortunately with me asking everyone I know I managed to get enough new votes to put us into pint 6th place. That should be enough to get us through to the finals. On Feb 19, 2013, at 10:20 AM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote: > Colin. I don't tweet. How do I vote? I only see a tweet way to do so. From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 19 11:04:38 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:04:38 -0500 Subject: more good press... Message-ID: <6E639460-210C-4732-9288-133E3D4D50CF@verizon.net> These are not ones that I requested, but they are good. Especially the first one, the day I had an app featured in TUAW we saw an enormous spike in the download numbers: http://www.tuaw.com/2013/02/19/livecode-creators-look-to-go-open-source-with-crowdfunding-help/ http://www.volokh.com/2013/02/18/hypercard-redux/ http://applenewsgator.com/2013/02/19/livecode-creators-look-to-go-open-source-with-crowdfunding-help/ From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 19 11:18:16 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:18:16 -0800 Subject: more good press... In-Reply-To: <6E639460-210C-4732-9288-133E3D4D50CF@verizon.net> References: <6E639460-210C-4732-9288-133E3D4D50CF@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5123A5C8.7000901@fourthworld.com> Colin Holgate wrote: > These are not ones that I requested, but they are good. Especially the first one, the day I had an app featured in TUAW we saw an enormous spike in the download numbers: > > http://www.tuaw.com/2013/02/19/livecode-creators-look-to-go-open-source-with-crowdfunding-help/ > > http://www.volokh.com/2013/02/18/hypercard-redux/ > > http://applenewsgator.com/2013/02/19/livecode-creators-look-to-go-open-source-with-crowdfunding-help/ Very good to see the coverage - thanks for posting that. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From nm at studionm.pl Tue Feb 19 11:29:13 2013 From: nm at studionm.pl (Marek Niesiobedzki) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:29:13 +0100 Subject: Think about rising pledges at kickstarter Message-ID: Hi to all LiveCoders, At first few words about myself: I'm not commercial developer. I didn't sell any applications yet (maybe it'll change). I'm using LC just for play and migrate from FileMaker in my company. I'm coding my software for Mac and PC only. I started to use LC about 1 year ago. It was very easy to start coding in LC even if my english is not perfect. I found some problems at the beginning, but thanks to fast and valuable help of some of you (users of LC forums) I had it resolved or given "work-around" in no more than few hours. I can't see until now any benefits of making LC open source for me, but thanks to you I pledged 70 GBP at the beginning. From time to time I look at Kickstarter and see that it's 8 days only to finnish and 220,000 GBP missing to put it into effect. So I decided to raise my pledge to 702 GBP (640 + 62 for shipment of something). I see the sense of it even if I don't need open source for myself. This money anyway would be spent for 1 year licence and some additional software and goods offered. So please think about and calculate it. Maybe it's better to declare bigger pledge now to make possible changes and modernizations of LC engine and 3-rd party software run quicker, than spend the same or bigger money in next future waiting long time for upgrades and needed futures. You are not risk. Until the sum of pledges are more than 350.000 GBP, declared money are still yours. I believe in promises if RunRev will get this prize that we get even more powerful tools. Best regards, Marek From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 19 11:37:48 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:37:48 -0500 Subject: Think about rising pledges at kickstarter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98E51DEF-0B47-453F-9432-8A19D0067E40@verizon.net> Raised. No more luxury hotel for me. From larsbrehmer at me.com Tue Feb 19 12:43:02 2013 From: larsbrehmer at me.com (Lars Brehmer) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:43:02 +0200 Subject: the iconic of stack Message-ID: <3FAD56CF-37B1-44C1-9A42-41CCC22CB28B@me.com> I just noticed something that shocked me a little bit. I haven't done this, thought about it or looked at it so long that I didn't notice this wasn't working. The iconic property doesn't work at all in both Livecode and my standalones. When I set the iconic of a stack to true, the entire stack is just moved to the lower right to the point where a thin strip is just peeking out over the task bar. And whatever buttons are visible in that strip dont work while the stack is down there - not drag or anything else. Not only that, and again, I never thought this would change, when a standalone made with Livecode is running in Windows XP and 7, there is no icon in the task bar! With this in mind, it makes sens that "iconic" doesn't work, becayse there is no inon in the task bar! Back in Rev 2.8 the iconic property always work flawlessly, both in Rev and with standalones. And the stacks always had buttons in the task bar as did my standalones. What am I missing in Livecode and my subsequent standalones? Why nothing in the task bar and no iconic? The timing of this discovery could not ne worse, so I desperately need help! Cheers, Lars Livecode 5.2.2 Mountain Lion Win XP sometimes Win7 From michael_livecode at nayyan.com Tue Feb 19 12:50:13 2013 From: michael_livecode at nayyan.com (Michael Mays) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:50:13 -0600 Subject: Annoying Test Mesg In-Reply-To: References: <5122a14cf1fcb_422f5085bf62179925@domU-12-31-38-01-80-61.mail> <51237B01.4080702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <24CF1BDB-8CB7-44AA-BBBB-7F16446F2A68@nayyan.com> Sorry test -- Michael From michael_livecode at nayyan.com Tue Feb 19 12:56:32 2013 From: michael_livecode at nayyan.com (Michael Mays) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:56:32 -0600 Subject: Licenses ?? (maybe still annoying:) Message-ID: Hello, On the RunRev store page I see categories of platforms with pay as you go and perpetual options. On the KickStarter pledge page for the open source project I see commercial and enterprise licenses with annual and lifetime options for all platforms. Is there a link explaining the difference between commercial and enterprise or could someone explain the difference? I am also confused as to how these two offered premiums related to the products in the store and would appreciate any information explaining how they relate. Thanks, Michael From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Tue Feb 19 13:02:03 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:02:03 -0800 Subject: the iconic of stack In-Reply-To: <3FAD56CF-37B1-44C1-9A42-41CCC22CB28B@me.com> References: <3FAD56CF-37B1-44C1-9A42-41CCC22CB28B@me.com> Message-ID: Lars, I've just tested on LC 5.5.3 & LC 5.5.1 on Win 7 Home Premium and LC 5.5.4 on Mac OS X 10.7.5 and iconic works fine for me. Looks like there may be something else blocking your iconic request, but not being much into Windows I couldn't guess what, hopefully someone else will have an idea. If you need any tests running, I'll be happy to help. Paul On 2013-02-19, at 9:43 AM, Lars Brehmer wrote: > I just noticed something that shocked me a little bit. I haven't done this, thought about it or looked at it so long that I didn't notice this wasn't working. > > The iconic property doesn't work at all in both Livecode and my standalones. When I set the iconic of a stack to true, the entire stack is just moved to the lower right to the point where a thin strip is just peeking out over the task bar. And whatever buttons are visible in that strip dont work while the stack is down there - not drag or anything else. > > Not only that, and again, I never thought this would change, when a standalone made with Livecode is running in Windows XP and 7, there is no icon in the task bar! With this in mind, it makes sens that "iconic" doesn't work, becayse there is no inon in the task bar! > > Back in Rev 2.8 the iconic property always work flawlessly, both in Rev and with standalones. And the stacks always had buttons in the task bar as did my standalones. > > What am I missing in Livecode and my subsequent standalones? Why nothing in the task bar and no iconic? The timing of this discovery could not ne worse, so I desperately need help! > > Cheers, > > Lars > > Livecode 5.2.2 > Mountain Lion > Win XP > sometimes Win7 > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Feb 19 13:04:56 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:04:56 -0500 Subject: Linking for Armv7 Failed Message-ID: I'm trying to compile some apps for use in 6.1 etc. but I'm getting this error: linking for armv7 failed with arm-apple-darwin10-livm-g++-4.2: /private/var/folders/tn/11twzp3x72vggm7kw88vjhdr0000gn/T/TemporaryItems/tmp.22566.z.10BS2h1: No such file or directory -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From cmsheffield at icloud.com Tue Feb 19 13:17:20 2013 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:17:20 -0700 Subject: Linking for Armv7 Failed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <762C8B52-45D2-40CE-B4CF-BFF0FF528B68@icloud.com> I was having this problem as well. Did you recently update LC to version 5.5.4? Does your app use any externals? If so, make sure your externals are updated, then attempt a build again. Chris -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally, Inc. www.readnaturally.com On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > I'm trying to compile some apps for use in 6.1 etc. but I'm getting this > error: > linking for armv7 failed with arm-apple-darwin10-livm-g++-4.2: > /private/var/folders/tn/11twzp3x72vggm7kw88vjhdr0000gn/T/TemporaryItems/tmp.22566.z.10BS2h1: > No such file or directory > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Feb 19 13:38:02 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:38:02 -0500 Subject: Linking for Armv7 Failed In-Reply-To: <762C8B52-45D2-40CE-B4CF-BFF0FF528B68@icloud.com> References: <762C8B52-45D2-40CE-B4CF-BFF0FF528B68@icloud.com> Message-ID: yes, yes, and yes and it still fails. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > I was having this problem as well. Did you recently update LC to version > 5.5.4? Does your app use any externals? If so, make sure your externals are > updated, then attempt a build again. > > Chris > > > -- > Chris Sheffield > Read Naturally, Inc. > www.readnaturally.com > > > > On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Mike Kerner > wrote: > > > I'm trying to compile some apps for use in 6.1 etc. but I'm getting this > > error: > > linking for armv7 failed with arm-apple-darwin10-livm-g++-4.2: > > > /private/var/folders/tn/11twzp3x72vggm7kw88vjhdr0000gn/T/TemporaryItems/tmp.22566.z.10BS2h1: > > No such file or directory > > > > -- > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > > and did a little diving. > > And God said, "This is good." > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Feb 19 13:54:24 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:54:24 -0500 Subject: Linking for Armv7 Failed In-Reply-To: References: <762C8B52-45D2-40CE-B4CF-BFF0FF528B68@icloud.com> Message-ID: I'm contacting the author of the external to see if maybe that's the problem - if I remove the external, it seems to compile. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > yes, yes, and yes and it still fails. > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > >> I was having this problem as well. Did you recently update LC to version >> 5.5.4? Does your app use any externals? If so, make sure your externals are >> updated, then attempt a build again. >> >> Chris >> >> >> -- >> Chris Sheffield >> Read Naturally, Inc. >> www.readnaturally.com >> >> >> >> On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Mike Kerner >> wrote: >> >> > I'm trying to compile some apps for use in 6.1 etc. but I'm getting this >> > error: >> > linking for armv7 failed with arm-apple-darwin10-livm-g++-4.2: >> > >> /private/var/folders/tn/11twzp3x72vggm7kw88vjhdr0000gn/T/TemporaryItems/tmp.22566.z.10BS2h1: >> > No such file or directory >> > >> > -- >> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth >> > On the second day, God created the oceans. >> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, >> > and did a little diving. >> > And God said, "This is good." >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-livecode mailing list >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 19 14:05:12 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:05:12 -0600 Subject: the iconic of stack In-Reply-To: References: <3FAD56CF-37B1-44C1-9A42-41CCC22CB28B@me.com> Message-ID: <5123CCE8.2080409@hyperactivesw.com> On 2013-02-19, at 9:43 AM, Lars Brehmer wrote: > The iconic property doesn't work at all in both Livecode and my > standalones. Only toplevel stacks show icons in the taskbar. Is your stack modeless or some other style? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 14:12:15 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:12:15 +0200 Subject: Project Update #7: Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source) by RunRev Ltd In-Reply-To: <51237B01.4080702@gmail.com> References: <5122a14cf1fcb_422f5085bf62179925@domU-12-31-38-01-80-61.mail> <51237B01.4080702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5123CE8F.807@gmail.com> Quite honestly the Use-List, being text-only, has quite serious limitations when it comes to explaining certain features of an Object-based language. A new type of Use-List that allows contributors to upload pictures of what they are doing (/trying to do) would be a great leap forward. Surely one of the great advantages of Livecode over languages such as C++ is the WYSIWYG aspect of the whole thing, and this should be accentuated . . . . . . characters whose rejection of Livecode rests on the idea that it is not a "real" programming language (i.e. not a long list of tedious, hard-to-understand, symbols and text) should have it pointed out to them that if THAT is what constitutes a "real" programming language then Livecode is MOST DEFINITELY NOT a "real" programming language, and it, by its very nature, leaves "real" p. l. (getting tired of keeping typing that) far behind . . . . . . and as such, our Use-List should be able to lever the visual nature of Livecode programming just as well as the thing itself . . . A picture is worth a thousand words, and, for school children (and chaps like me who have never been particularly hot at pure mental abstraction) a few explanatory pictures could go a long way where a few paragraphs of text might be a major turn-off, leaving children reaching for the XBox. Richmond. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 19 14:17:43 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:17:43 -0600 Subject: Licenses ?? (maybe still annoying:) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5123CFD7.8020206@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/19/13 11:56 AM, Michael Mays wrote: > Hello, > > On the RunRev store page I see categories of platforms with pay as > you go and perpetual options. > > On the KickStarter pledge page for the open source project I see > commercial and enterprise licenses with annual and lifetime options > for all platforms. > > Is there a link explaining the difference between commercial and > enterprise or could someone explain the difference? > > I am also confused as to how these two offered premiums related to > the products in the store and would appreciate any information > explaining how they relate. If the Kickstarter succeeds, the pay as you go license will go away and the prices will drop for other licenses. The commercial product will use exactly the same code as the free version, with the exception of the password security mechanism. The commercial license will include the ability to password protect your code, however the engine code will not be accessible (to protect the algorithm.) The differences are explained in the FAQ: A quote: The commercial version will be available as an annual subscription. A single license includes the ability for a single developer to create and build unlimited applications then distribute them royalty-free on all supported platforms. Unlike the open source version, it does not include access to the source code. It includes the script password security module which provides an additional level of protection for your code. It removes the requirement to redistribute the source code of your application when you come to redistribute it. If your subscription expires any applications built will continue to run but you will not be able to create new closed source applications or updates to existing applications until you renew your commercial license. We also offer an enterprise class license which includes a commercial source code license, technical support with a guaranteed response time and priority bug fixes. A single developer may create an unlimited number of applications with this license during the subscription term. Applications created must be registered with us prior to redistribution. With this license you can embed the source code directly in commercial closed-source applications. A range of support options are available and an optional commercial source code escrow policy. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 19 14:22:07 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:22:07 -0600 Subject: Project Update #7: Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source) by RunRev Ltd In-Reply-To: <5123CE8F.807@gmail.com> References: <5122a14cf1fcb_422f5085bf62179925@domU-12-31-38-01-80-61.mail> <51237B01.4080702@gmail.com> <5123CE8F.807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5123D0DF.7070104@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/19/13 1:12 PM, Richmond wrote: > Quite honestly the Use-List, being text-only, has quite serious limitations > when it comes to explaining certain features of an Object-based language. > > A new type of Use-List that allows contributors to upload pictures of > what they are > doing (/trying to do) would be a great leap forward. The forums allow images. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 19 14:23:27 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:23:27 -0800 Subject: Project Update #7: Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source) by RunRev Ltd In-Reply-To: <5123CE8F.807@gmail.com> References: <5123CE8F.807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5123D12F.3010401@fourthworld.com> Richmond wrote: > Quite honestly the Use-List, being text-only, has quite serious limitations > when it comes to explaining certain features of an Object-based language. > > A new type of Use-List that allows contributors to upload pictures of > what they are doing (/trying to do) would be a great leap forward. Links to images are allowed on list-serve systems like this one, and direct image embedding is allowed in the forums. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 14:53:30 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:53:30 +0200 Subject: Project Update #7: Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source) by RunRev Ltd In-Reply-To: <5123D0DF.7070104@hyperactivesw.com> References: <5122a14cf1fcb_422f5085bf62179925@domU-12-31-38-01-80-61.mail> <51237B01.4080702@gmail.com> <5123CE8F.807@gmail.com> <5123D0DF.7070104@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <5123D83A.606@gmail.com> On 02/19/2013 09:22 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/19/13 1:12 PM, Richmond wrote: >> Quite honestly the Use-List, being text-only, has quite serious >> limitations >> when it comes to explaining certain features of an Object-based >> language. >> >> A new type of Use-List that allows contributors to upload pictures of >> what they are >> doing (/trying to do) would be a great leap forward. > > The forums allow images. > Aha. but not so convenient as the Use-List; particularly as the Use-List has everything all in one place. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 19 14:56:46 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:56:46 -0800 Subject: Project Update #7: Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source) by RunRev Ltd In-Reply-To: <5123D83A.606@gmail.com> References: <5123D83A.606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5123D8FE.6040804@fourthworld.com> Richmond wrote: > but not so convenient as the Use-List; particularly as the Use-List has > everything all in one place. That's a feature, not a bug. With RunRev promoting it to new users, it gets about as much traffic as this list, so sectioning things off can be helpful so you only can only read what topics of interest. There's also a "New Posts" link at the top of the page - clicking that will get you the most recent posts from across the board. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 15:15:22 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:15:22 +0200 Subject: Project Update #7: Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source) by RunRev Ltd In-Reply-To: <51237B01.4080702@gmail.com> References: <5122a14cf1fcb_422f5085bf62179925@domU-12-31-38-01-80-61.mail> <51237B01.4080702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5123DD5A.40506@gmail.com> On 02/19/2013 03:15 PM, Richmond wrote: > Ben Beaumont's latest thing on the Kickstarter web-site is very > interesting . . . > > However, I, also have some "pretty pictures" (i.e. mockups) of > interface enhancements, > > and was wondering if RunRev, along with their Open Source initiative, > might think > of opening a blog where users can upload images as well as text to > show off any > ideas. > > Richmond. > Dunnit: http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14205 Richmond. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 19 15:27:58 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:27:58 -0600 Subject: Project Update #7: Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source) by RunRev Ltd In-Reply-To: <5123DD5A.40506@gmail.com> References: <5122a14cf1fcb_422f5085bf62179925@domU-12-31-38-01-80-61.mail> <51237B01.4080702@gmail.com> <5123DD5A.40506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5123E04E.4040806@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/19/13 2:15 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 02/19/2013 03:15 PM, Richmond wrote: >> Ben Beaumont's latest thing on the Kickstarter web-site is very >> interesting . . . >> >> However, I, also have some "pretty pictures" (i.e. mockups) of >> interface enhancements, >> >> and was wondering if RunRev, along with their Open Source initiative, >> might think >> of opening a blog where users can upload images as well as text to >> show off any >> ideas. >> >> Richmond. >> > > Dunnit: http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14205 BTW, I don't know if it's well known yet, but RR has enabled the digest feature in the forums now. (I got an email about it, probably because I complained so much. :)) Go to the control panel to set up a digest to be delivered via email. It's a recent change that I've been trying out for a couple of days. The digest isn't as easy to read as I'd like, and you can't reply directly from email, but it has links to the forum posts so that you can click once and respond over there. It's a start. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From endernafi at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 15:36:42 2013 From: endernafi at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ender_Nafi_Elek=C3=A7io=C4=9Flu?=) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:36:42 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?compositor=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6._?=Properties for Mobile Performance Message-ID: <2721C330A98D45BD98B989D85B61DE47@gmail.com> Hello Dear LiveCode Gurus, I content myself only with reading your conversations for a long time. I've learned much. Thanks, all of you. Well, this is my first message / question in this mail list. Asking in the forums is easy, however asking a question in the mail-list is a bit intimidating, I must confess. Ok, let me get down to brass tacks :) Here is my problem: I'm fiddling around with the compositor properties for a while now. * compositorCacheLimit, compositorTileSize, compositorType * But I couldn't see any performance benefits. Here is a sample code: *** on preOpenStack __if the environment is "mobile" then ____iphoneUseDeviceResolution true, true ____start using stack "animationEngine" ____start using stack "kafes" ____set the compositorCacheLimit of this stack to 4 * 9 * (4 * (item 1 of the screenLoc) * (item 2 of the screenLoc)) ____/* 9 is the number of controls of this single-card stack. */ ____set the compositorTileSize of this stack to 128 ____switch the platform ______case "iphone" ________set the compositorType of this stack to "opengl" ________break ______case "android" ________set the compositorType of this stack to "software" ________break ____end switch ____set the acceleratedRendering of this stack to true __end if end preOpenStack *** A couple of questions: -> Does the order of these commands make a difference? Setting the acceleratedRendering first or last; or setting the compositorTileSize before the compositorCacheLimit, etc. -> What's the best way to determine the values of these properties? -> In which scenarios do these commands create a performance boost? For example, in a game which consists hundreds of buttons and thousands of sprite png's or ? Any hints and info much appreciated. Best, ~ Ender Nafi ~ ? Keehuna Studio ~ ? Sorcerers of Design From pete at lcsql.com Tue Feb 19 16:15:41 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:15:41 +1300 Subject: [OT] Tethering Problem Message-ID: While here in NZ, got myself a sim card for my phone and software that allows me to tether it to my laptop for intermet access. The browser on my laptop (Chrome) works fine until I try to access my gmail account - after a few seconds, I get a message that the web page isn't available. I can access gmail from my phone with no problem. Also noticed that if I go to google maps, all works until I try to log in to my google account, then same problem. One thimg in common is that these are all https sites but don't know why that would matter. Any ideas? I'm tired of typing on a phone keyboard! Laptop is Windows 8 running Chrome browser. Phone is running Android. Pete From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 16:30:10 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:30:10 +0200 Subject: [OT] Tethering Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5123EEE2.70107@gmail.com> On 02/19/2013 11:15 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > While here in NZ, got myself a sim card for my phone and software that > allows me to tether it to my laptop for intermet access. > > The browser on my laptop (Chrome) works fine until I try to access my gmail > account - after a few seconds, I get a message that the web page isn't > available. > > I can access gmail from my phone with no problem. > > Also noticed that if I go to google maps, all works until I try to log in > to my google account, then same problem. > > One thimg in common is that these are all https sites but don't know why > that would matter. > > Any ideas? I'm tired of typing on a phone keyboard! > > Laptop is Windows 8 running Chrome browser. Phone is running Android. > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode I honestly don't know. BUT . . . with my company Mobile phone package here in Bulgaria I have a WiFi USB dongle that gives me unlimited (fairly slow) internet in about 90% of Bulgaria. As I do not have a laptop, but do have a wild assortment of Pentium 4 PCs at home, in my villa in the mountains and at my work this really is rather a good thing. I wonder if your NZ ISP might have these as an option. Richmond. From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Tue Feb 19 16:35:05 2013 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:35:05 -0500 Subject: [OT] Tethering Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00b701ce0ee8$fc4d02b0$f4e70810$@net> Pete, Are you using the built in tether or a third party app? Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter Haworth Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:16 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: [OT] Tethering Problem While here in NZ, got myself a sim card for my phone and software that allows me to tether it to my laptop for intermet access. The browser on my laptop (Chrome) works fine until I try to access my gmail account - after a few seconds, I get a message that the web page isn't available. I can access gmail from my phone with no problem. Also noticed that if I go to google maps, all works until I try to log in to my google account, then same problem. One thimg in common is that these are all https sites but don't know why that would matter. Any ideas? I'm tired of typing on a phone keyboard! Laptop is Windows 8 running Chrome browser. Phone is running Android. Pete _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 19 16:37:16 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:37:16 -0600 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?Y29tcG9zaXRvcuKApuKApi4gUHJvcGVydGllcyBmb3IgTW9iaWw=?= =?UTF-8?B?ZSBQZXJmb3JtYW5jZQ==?= In-Reply-To: <2721C330A98D45BD98B989D85B61DE47@gmail.com> References: <2721C330A98D45BD98B989D85B61DE47@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5123F08C.90506@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/19/13 2:36 PM, Ender Nafi Elek?io?lu wrote: > Asking in the forums is easy, > however asking a question in the mail-list is a bit intimidating, I must confess. We're mostly the same people, only there are a few more on this list. Don't worry, we're mostly friendly. Ask us anything. That's what we're here for. > -> Does the order of these commands make a difference? > Setting the acceleratedRendering first or last; > or setting the compositorTileSize before the compositorCacheLimit, etc. The usual place to do the settings is on preOpenCard, so I don't think the order matters. Nothing happens until an object moves, and they won't move before the card is drawn. The only exception is the acceleratedRendering property itself. Turn it on before things are about to move, and turn it off when the move is finished. Leaving it on when no objects are moving can slow performance. > > -> What's the best way to determine the values of these properties? Good question, and I used to have a message from RR about that but I can't find it now. There was a sort of formula, but it was generic and not always reliable because devices vary so much. Eventually RR just provided defaults and I always use those, because calculating an exact setting isn't reliable anyway. I've found the defaults work pretty well. > > -> In which scenarios do these commands create a performance boost? > For example, in a game which consists hundreds of buttons and > thousands of sprite png's or ? You need acceleratedRendering when objects move quickly and often. The game example is a good case for it. You'll have to use some judgement. If things on a card are constantly moving then turning it on on preOpenCard and turning it off on closeCard is fine. If the only thing that moves is a scrolling group or field, then turn it on when the user starts to scroll and turn it off when they're done. There is a lot of info in the list archives, which you can see on either Nabble or Gmane. This link is a start: Also, if you search Nabble for "acceleratedRendering" you'll get more hits. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue Feb 19 16:41:35 2013 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:41:35 -0800 Subject: [OT] Tethering Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: maybe it's a bandwidth/timeout issue. You guys in NZ have the thinnest pipes in the world right now, but I understand that a new 30tb cable will be connecting soon, so at last you guys down there can see what fast internet is about. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > While here in NZ, got myself a sim card for my phone and software that > allows me to tether it to my laptop for intermet access. > > The browser on my laptop (Chrome) works fine until I try to access my gmail > account - after a few seconds, I get a message that the web page isn't > available. > > I can access gmail from my phone with no problem. > > Also noticed that if I go to google maps, all works until I try to log in > to my google account, then same problem. > > One thimg in common is that these are all https sites but don't know why > that would matter. > > Any ideas? I'm tired of typing on a phone keyboard! > > Laptop is Windows 8 running Chrome browser. Phone is running Android. > > Pete > _______________________________________________ From larsbrehmer at mac.com Tue Feb 19 16:47:28 2013 From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:47:28 +0200 Subject: the iconic of a stack - also import snapshot Message-ID: I solved my self-induced problem, and it was indeed rather idiotic of me, as I suspected. The iconic didn't work because in the stack inspector the decorations were set to empty. I use a custom stack shape without the Mac or Windows decorations, and I didn't realize that even when you don't use them. the decorations can't be empty. I can't remember exactly, but I think that this was different in Rev 2.8, which is why I was confused. One last thing that is driving me crazy is that "import snapshot" never works for me in Windows. It works in the livecode IDE, but in standalones, the snapshot is always of the desktop/wallpaper, not of the stack. put 234,83,500,166 into zRect put the windowId of stack "mainStack" into tWindow import snapshot from rect zRect of window tWindow In the IDE this works fine. In a standalone the image is always of the wallpaper behind the stack. I have found this problem in the forums, read how people say it works just fine in Windows and followed every tip and still it never has worked for me. Always the wallpaper. Please tell me this isn't because of the decorations? Cheers, Lars From endernafi at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 16:53:04 2013 From: endernafi at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ender_Nafi_Elek=C3=A7io=C4=9Flu?=) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:53:04 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?compositor=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6._?=Properties for Mobile Performance In-Reply-To: <5123F08C.90506@hyperactivesw.com> References: <2721C330A98D45BD98B989D85B61DE47@gmail.com> <5123F08C.90506@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <47A6D9C0BC0D4F0C952689DAB0211741@gmail.com> Thank you Jacque, You've been helpful, as always. I understand that there's no need to mess around with the compositor properties. Leaving the defaults as is and using the acceleratedRendering is enough. But the tricky part is I should use it only when I need it. Well, that's a good advice. I'll read the old posts about the acceleratedRendering further. Thank you very much. Regards, ~ Ender Nafi ~ ? Keehuna Studio ~ ? Sorcerers of Design On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 at 11:37 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/19/13 2:36 PM, Ender Nafi Elek?io?lu wrote: > > > Asking in the forums is easy, > > however asking a question in the mail-list is a bit intimidating, I must confess. > > > > > We're mostly the same people, only there are a few more on this list. > Don't worry, we're mostly friendly. Ask us anything. That's what we're > here for. > > > -> Does the order of these commands make a difference? > > Setting the acceleratedRendering first or last; > > or setting the compositorTileSize before the compositorCacheLimit, etc. > > > > > The usual place to do the settings is on preOpenCard, so I don't think > the order matters. Nothing happens until an object moves, and they won't > move before the card is drawn. The only exception is the > acceleratedRendering property itself. Turn it on before things are about > to move, and turn it off when the move is finished. Leaving it on when > no objects are moving can slow performance. > > > > > -> What's the best way to determine the values of these properties? > > Good question, and I used to have a message from RR about that but I > can't find it now. There was a sort of formula, but it was generic and > not always reliable because devices vary so much. Eventually RR just > provided defaults and I always use those, because calculating an exact > setting isn't reliable anyway. I've found the defaults work pretty well. > > > > > -> In which scenarios do these commands create a performance boost? > > For example, in a game which consists hundreds of buttons and > > thousands of sprite png's or ? > > > > > You need acceleratedRendering when objects move quickly and often. The > game example is a good case for it. You'll have to use some judgement. > If things on a card are constantly moving then turning it on on > preOpenCard and turning it off on closeCard is fine. If the only thing > that moves is a scrolling group or field, then turn it on when the user > starts to scroll and turn it off when they're done. > > There is a lot of info in the list archives, which you can see on either > Nabble or Gmane. This link is a start: > > > Also, if you search Nabble for "acceleratedRendering" you'll get more hits. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com (mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com) > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com (mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com) > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > From niconiko at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 17:02:42 2013 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:02:42 +0900 Subject: [OT] Tethering Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Any ideas? For your Google account have you set up "Authentication"? Perhaps your laptop has to be "authenticated" using your phone's "Authenticator" app. That's an idea. -- Nicolas Cueto From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 19 17:31:17 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:31:17 -0800 Subject: the iconic of a stack - also import snapshot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5123FD35.2070808@fourthworld.com> Lars Brehmer wrote: > One last thing that is driving me crazy is that "import snapshot" never works for me in Windows. It works in the livecode IDE, but in standalones, the snapshot is always of the desktop/wallpaper, not of the stack. > > > put 234,83,500,166 into zRect > put the windowId of stack "mainStack" into tWindow > import snapshot from rect zRect of window tWindow > > In the IDE this works fine. In a standalone the image is always of the wallpaper behind the stack. I have found this problem in the forums, read how people say it works just fine in Windows and followed every tip and still it never has worked for me. Always the wallpaper. Please tell me this isn't because of the decorations? The old "...from rect..." option still has some usefulness now and then, but for obtaining an image of an object, such as a card, since v2.7 and forward we have the "...from object.." option, which uses an internal buffer to render the image rather than capturing it from the composited screen, and doing so it's even able to render objects in unopened stacks. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From slylabs13 at me.com Tue Feb 19 18:41:55 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:41:55 -0800 Subject: [OT] Tethering Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If that were the case nothing would work. I think he is having some kind of firewall issue or else a security cert issue. I am curious what software you are using to tether. I was tethering my iPhone, but Android is different. See first if there are any firewall settings in your tethering software. Bob On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote: >> Any ideas? > > For your Google account have you set up "Authentication"? Perhaps your > laptop has to be "authenticated" using your phone's "Authenticator" > app. > > That's an idea. > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From gbojsza at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 19:01:37 2013 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:01:37 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu on tablets Message-ID: Hello, I came across this today and was wondering how it plays in with Livecode? http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet It appears that an Ubuntu app can run on all platforms... but I cannot determine if current apps will work or if the apps need to be put through a "special development SDK by Ubuntu". Are there any Ubuntu / LC developers out there that can shed some light. regards, Glen From bogdanoff at me.com Tue Feb 19 19:20:10 2013 From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:20:10 -0800 Subject: menuPick In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I have a menu that I'm creating the text for dynamically. So, on menuPick I want to do something based on the menu item chosen. However, it will vary all the time. Can I get the number of the line of the menu that was chosen? How do I handle dynamically-generated menu items? Peter Bogdanoff UCLA From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 19 19:22:55 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:22:55 -0800 Subject: Ubuntu on tablets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5124175F.9040202@fourthworld.com> Glen Bojsza wrote: > I came across this today and was wondering how it plays in with Livecode? > > http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet > > It appears that an Ubuntu app can run on all platforms... but I cannot > determine if current apps will work or if the apps need to be put through a > "special development SDK by Ubuntu". > > Are there any Ubuntu / LC developers out there that can shed some light. I don't know offhand, but I'll be showing LiveCode to Jono Bacon, Ubuntu Community Manager, at the SoCal Linux Expo on Friday and I'll ask him. Jono's talk there will show off Ubuntu on smartphones too: Here he is demoing that at CES: Ubuntu's been my favorite OS on the desktop for a while - looking forward to adding the other form factors to the mix. If we had an ARM compile of the Linux engine, I can't imagine it would be that hard to work out any integration details with Ubuntu on any device. PS: Yes, there's an Ubuntu for TVs in the works too: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Tue Feb 19 20:25:22 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:25:22 -0500 Subject: Project Update #7: Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source) by RunRev Ltd In-Reply-To: <5123DD5A.40506@gmail.com> References: <5122a14cf1fcb_422f5085bf62179925@domU-12-31-38-01-80-61.mail> <51237B01.4080702@gmail.com> <5123DD5A.40506@gmail.com> Message-ID: Like On Feb 19, 2013 3:16 PM, "Richmond" wrote: > On 02/19/2013 03:15 PM, Richmond wrote: > >> Ben Beaumont's latest thing on the Kickstarter web-site is very >> interesting . . . >> >> However, I, also have some "pretty pictures" (i.e. mockups) of interface >> enhancements, >> >> and was wondering if RunRev, along with their Open Source initiative, >> might think >> of opening a blog where users can upload images as well as text to show >> off any >> ideas. >> >> Richmond. >> >> > Dunnit: http://forums.runrev.com/**viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14205 > > Richmond. > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Tue Feb 19 20:25:25 2013 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:25:25 -0800 Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: Project Update #7: Next Generation LiveCode (Open Source) byRunRev Ltd In-Reply-To: <5123D83A.606@gmail.com> References: <5122a14cf1fcb_422f5085bf62179925@domU-12-31-38-01-80-61.mail><51237B01.4080702@gmail.com> <5123CE8F.807@gmail.com><5123D0DF.7070104@hyperactivesw.com> <5123D83A.606@gmail.com> Message-ID: > but not so convenient as the Use-List; particularly as the > Use-List has everything all in one place. There are venues to talk about your LiveCode projects. There are a couple of Facebook and Linked In groups. My Mirye Software site sells LiveCode here in the US, and success stories are always welcome, both in the newsletters we sent out but also in our (quiet) forum. In fact, why not have something in the LiveCode forums? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Tue Feb 19 20:43:10 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:43:10 -0500 Subject: the iconic of a stack - also import snapshot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: import snapshot from card 1 of stack "stack name" ~Roger On Feb 19, 2013 4:48 PM, "Lars Brehmer" wrote: > I solved my self-induced problem, and it was indeed rather idiotic of me, > as I suspected. > > The iconic didn't work because in the stack inspector the decorations were > set to empty. I use a custom stack shape without the Mac or Windows > decorations, and I didn't realize that even when you don't use them. the > decorations can't be empty. I can't remember exactly, but I think that this > was different in Rev 2.8, which is why I was confused. > > One last thing that is driving me crazy is that "import snapshot" never > works for me in Windows. It works in the livecode IDE, but in standalones, > the snapshot is always of the desktop/wallpaper, not of the stack. > > > put 234,83,500,166 into zRect > put the windowId of stack "mainStack" into tWindow > import snapshot from rect zRect of window tWindow > > In the IDE this works fine. In a standalone the image is always of the > wallpaper behind the stack. I have found this problem in the forums, read > how people say it works just fine in Windows and followed every tip and > still it never has worked for me. Always the wallpaper. Please tell me this > isn't because of the decorations? > > Cheers, > > Lars > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Tue Feb 19 20:59:00 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:59:00 -0500 Subject: [OT] Tethering Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sometimes switching from isp-provided DNS servers to OpenDNS on the PC can improve site performance. ~Roger From dunbarx at aol.com Tue Feb 19 21:05:44 2013 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:05:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: menuPick In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFDD25ED259965-DBC-26492@webmail-m100.sysops.aol.com> Hi. the "menuHistory" will return the selected line. The menuItems in a manu are just a return delimited list of text. So your menu choices, usually set up in a switch construction in your menuPick handler, can load the menu as required. Write back if this does not work the first time you try it. Craig Newman -----Original Message----- From: Peter Bogdanoff To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:21 pm Subject: menuPick Hi, I have a menu that I'm creating the text for dynamically. So, on menuPick I want to do something based on the menu item chosen. However, it will vary all the time. Can I get the number of the line of the menu that was chosen? How do I handle dynamically-generated menu items? Peter Bogdanoff UCLA _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 19 21:36:56 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:36:56 -0600 Subject: menuPick In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512436C8.6080501@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/19/13 6:20 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > Hi, > > I have a menu that I'm creating the text for dynamically. > > So, on menuPick I want to do something based on the menu item chosen. > However, it will vary all the time. > > Can I get the number of the line of the menu that was chosen? How do > I handle dynamically-generated menu items? Do you want the line number for a reason? The parameter that menupick sends will always be the name of the item that was chosen. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jimschaubeck at yahoo.com Wed Feb 20 02:52:19 2013 From: jimschaubeck at yahoo.com (Jim Schaubeck) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:52:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: menuPick In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1361346739.66636.YahooMailNeo@web162304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Peter, I'm not exactly sure I'm answering your intended question but here's some thought...If you want to change your menu items dynamically and/or often then you can do this directly or indirectly by setting the text of the menu button.? For example I often used mouseDown to build and set the text of me to tData where tData was loaded with a few lines of whatever I wanted the menu selection to look like. on mouseDown set the text of me to "Buy Low" & cr & "Sell High" end mouseDown on menuPick theItem if theitem is "Buy Low" then if the menuHistory of me is 1 then answer "Sell your car" else answer "Buy a new car" end if end menuPick You can use switch/case instead of if/then for more control over decision making. To set the menu items indirectly through script, you can easily do this through another handler (instead of the mouseDown) that builds the menu items one per line and then "set" the text of the menu button to the container holding the menu items you just built. Once the menupick occurs you can check for the text of the item itself and make decisions or check the menuHistory of the button to find out what line was selected.? I hope I'm in sync with your question. ? ______________________________________________________________________________________________ ??jim schaubeck?????????????????????????????????????? jimschaubeck at yahoo.com/?714.321.4499 ________________________________ From: Peter Bogdanoff To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:20 PM Subject: menuPick Hi, I have a menu that I'm creating the text for dynamically. So, on menuPick I want to do something based on the menu item chosen. However, it will vary all the time. Can I get the number of the line of the menu that was chosen? How do I handle dynamically-generated menu items? Peter Bogdanoff UCLA _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From admin at FlexibleLearning.com Wed Feb 20 03:38:52 2013 From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:38:52 -0000 Subject: the iconic of a stack - also import snapshot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > One last thing that is driving me crazy is that "import snapshot" > never works for me in Windows. It works in the livecode IDE, but > in standalones, the snapshot is always of the desktop/wallpaper, > not of the stack. > > > put 234,83,500,166 into zRect > put the windowId of stack "mainStack" into tWindow > import snapshot from rect zRect of window tWindow > > In the IDE this works fine. In a standalone the image is always > of the wallpaper behind the stack. I have found this problem in > the forums, read how people say it works just fine in Windows and > followed every tip and still it never has worked for me. Always > the wallpaper. Please tell me this isn't because of the decorations? > > Cheers, > > Lars Unless an object is specified in the snapshot command, coordinates are assumed to be global, i.e. from the topLeft of the screen. If your stack is draggable then you will need to do some calculating to convert what I assume are local coordinates above to global coordinates. Best regards, Hugh Senior FLCo From pete at lcsql.com Wed Feb 20 03:47:07 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:47:07 +1300 Subject: [OT] Tethering Problem In-Reply-To: <00b701ce0ee8$fc4d02b0$f4e70810$@net> References: <00b701ce0ee8$fc4d02b0$f4e70810$@net> Message-ID: Hi Ralph, It's a third party app, didn't know tethering was built in. Pete On Wednesday, February 20, 2013, Ralph DiMola wrote: > Pete, > > Are you using the built in tether or a third party app? > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] > On Behalf > Of Peter Haworth > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:16 PM > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject: [OT] Tethering Problem > > While here in NZ, got myself a sim card for my phone and software that > allows me to tether it to my laptop for intermet access. > > The browser on my laptop (Chrome) works fine until I try to access my gmail > account - after a few seconds, I get a message that the web page isn't > available. > > I can access gmail from my phone with no problem. > > Also noticed that if I go to google maps, all works until I try to log in > to > my google account, then same problem. > > One thimg in common is that these are all https sites but don't know why > that would matter. > > Any ideas? I'm tired of typing on a phone keyboard! > > Laptop is Windows 8 running Chrome browser. Phone is running Android. > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Pete lcSQL Software From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Feb 20 03:55:21 2013 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:55:21 +0100 Subject: How to set the minWidth dynamically? Message-ID: <003801ce0f48$046653c0$0d32fb40$@de> Hi, I have a resizable stack with resizable objects (fields with variable textsize). When the objects are smaller, the stack may be resized to a smaller size, as if they are bigger, so that they don't overlap. I have the flag, when to stop making the stack smaller, but I tried different approaches stopping resizing dynamically without success. Setting the "resizable of stack" to false if the stack gets too small can't work, because you can't set it back again to true because the user can't make it larger anymore. Manipulation the minWidth /minHeight of the stack doesn't work, because while resizing with mousedown you can't change the dimension properties of the stack. The are changed, when the user releases the mouse. Where is my fault? Which is the right approach? Thanks Tiemo From benr_mc at cogapp.com Wed Feb 20 04:25:25 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:25:25 +0000 Subject: How to present a picklist on mobile? In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFF6974@Peas2.byu.local> References: <5118E853.6070202@cogapp.com> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFF6974@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <51249685.2040707@cogapp.com> On 11/02/2013 18:13, Devin Asay wrote: > I'd recommend following Elanor's excellent native scroller tutorial in the latest RevUP newsletter for your list. Once you've wrapped your head around mobile-native controls I think you'll see that they're not difficult, and they go a long way to taking the "clunk" out of your mobile apps. > > http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/february/issue148/newsletter4.php Thanks Devin (and Elanor), and what a timely article! That certainly gets me most of the way there. I noticed that on Elanor's sample stack, although the field scrolls nicely with inertia, and a bounce-back at the bottom, there's no bounce-back at the top. Is this a known limitation? Ben From th.douez at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 04:57:58 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:57:58 +0100 Subject: How to set the minWidth dynamically? In-Reply-To: <003801ce0f48$046653c0$0d32fb40$@de> References: <003801ce0f48$046653c0$0d32fb40$@de> Message-ID: Hi Tiemo, Are you aware you can set the min and max of your stack with the inspector ( size and position tab) and certainly by script too? This should resolve your problem. HTH, Thierry 2013/2/20 Tiemo Hollmann TB > Hi, > > I have a resizable stack with resizable objects (fields with variable > textsize). > > When the objects are smaller, the stack may be resized to a smaller size, > as > if they are bigger, so that they don't overlap. I have the flag, when to > stop making the stack smaller, but I tried different approaches stopping > resizing dynamically without success. > > Setting the "resizable of stack" to false if the stack gets too small can't > work, because you can't set it back again to true because the user can't > make it larger anymore. Manipulation the minWidth /minHeight of the stack > doesn't work, because while resizing with mousedown you can't change the > dimension properties of the stack. The are changed, when the user releases > the mouse. > > Where is my fault? Which is the right approach? > > Thanks > > Tiemo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Feb 20 05:11:25 2013 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:11:25 +0100 Subject: AW: How to set the minWidth dynamically? In-Reply-To: References: <003801ce0f48$046653c0$0d32fb40$@de> Message-ID: <003d01ce0f52$a49e8470$eddb8d50$@de> Hi Thierry, yes, but thats the same as with the minWidth. You can't set/change these properties, while the user is resizing the window (holding down the mouse). The change will be made, after the user releases the mouse and that?s too late. What I need is to break/stop the resizing at a certain point (where my objects overlap). My first thought was just not to pass the resizeStack message when the size gets too small, but that doesn't work either. Obviosly the resizing of the window happens before the message resizeStack. Thanks Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag > von Thierry Douez > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2013 10:58 > An: How to use LiveCode > Betreff: Re: How to set the minWidth dynamically? > > Hi Tiemo, > > Are you aware you can set the min and max of your stack with the inspector > ( size and position tab) and certainly by script too? > > This should resolve your problem. > > HTH, > > Thierry > > > 2013/2/20 Tiemo Hollmann TB > > > Hi, > > > > I have a resizable stack with resizable objects (fields with variable > > textsize). > > > > When the objects are smaller, the stack may be resized to a smaller > > size, as if they are bigger, so that they don't overlap. I have the > > flag, when to stop making the stack smaller, but I tried different > > approaches stopping resizing dynamically without success. > > > > Setting the "resizable of stack" to false if the stack gets too small > > can't work, because you can't set it back again to true because the > > user can't make it larger anymore. Manipulation the minWidth > > /minHeight of the stack doesn't work, because while resizing with > > mousedown you can't change the dimension properties of the stack. The > > are changed, when the user releases the mouse. > > > > Where is my fault? Which is the right approach? > > > > Thanks > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From th.douez at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 05:31:26 2013 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:31:26 +0100 Subject: How to set the minWidth dynamically? In-Reply-To: <003d01ce0f52$a49e8470$eddb8d50$@de> References: <003801ce0f48$046653c0$0d32fb40$@de> <003d01ce0f52$a49e8470$eddb8d50$@de> Message-ID: 2013/2/20 Tiemo Hollmann TB > Hi Thierry, > yes, but thats the same as with the minWidth. Sorry it doen't work. > You can't set/change these > properties, while the user is resizing the window (holding down the mouse). > The change will be made, after the user releases the mouse and that?s too > late. What I need is to break/stop the resizing at a certain point (where > my > objects overlap). > Umm, some thoughts... Can't you know (calculate) before the user resize your stack, the min acceptable ? or I certainly miss something... My first thought was just not to pass the resizeStack message when the size > gets too small, but that doesn't work either. Obviosly the resizing of the > window happens before the message resizeStack. > No, this doesn't work. Even written in the dictionary. Thierry Thanks > Tiemo > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im > Auftrag > > von Thierry Douez > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2013 10:58 > > An: How to use LiveCode > > Betreff: Re: How to set the minWidth dynamically? > > > > Hi Tiemo, > > > > Are you aware you can set the min and max of your stack with the > inspector > > ( size and position tab) and certainly by script too? > > > > This should resolve your problem. > > > > HTH, > > > > Thierry > > > > > > 2013/2/20 Tiemo Hollmann TB > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have a resizable stack with resizable objects (fields with variable > > > textsize). > > > > > > When the objects are smaller, the stack may be resized to a smaller > > > size, as if they are bigger, so that they don't overlap. I have the > > > flag, when to stop making the stack smaller, but I tried different > > > approaches stopping resizing dynamically without success. > > > > > > Setting the "resizable of stack" to false if the stack gets too small > > > can't work, because you can't set it back again to true because the > > > user can't make it larger anymore. Manipulation the minWidth > > > /minHeight of the stack doesn't work, because while resizing with > > > mousedown you can't change the dimension properties of the stack. The > > > are changed, when the user releases the mouse. > > > > > > Where is my fault? Which is the right approach? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Feb 20 05:48:10 2013 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:48:10 +0100 Subject: AW: How to set the minWidth dynamically? In-Reply-To: References: <003801ce0f48$046653c0$0d32fb40$@de> <003d01ce0f52$a49e8470$eddb8d50$@de> Message-ID: <003e01ce0f57$c6a4e5f0$53eeb1d0$@de> > > > > Umm, some thoughts... > Can't you know (calculate) before the user resize your stack, the min > acceptable ? > or I certainly miss something... > You are right, I probably can do that, depending on the choosen textsize. It is not that dynamically as I wanted, but probably a simple approach. Sometimes its so hard to bring my mind on a different path. Thanks Tiemo From bvg at mac.com Wed Feb 20 09:47:31 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:47:31 +0100 Subject: Think about rising pledges at kickstarter In-Reply-To: <98E51DEF-0B47-453F-9432-8A19D0067E40@verizon.net> References: <98E51DEF-0B47-453F-9432-8A19D0067E40@verizon.net> Message-ID: i'm pretty sure you can spend any amount you want, and then select a reward tier that is lower or equal to what you pledged. No need to forego your favourite reward ;) On 19.02.2013, at 17:37, Colin Holgate wrote: > Raised. No more luxury hotel for me. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 20 10:17:15 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:17:15 -0500 Subject: Think about rising pledges at kickstarter In-Reply-To: References: <98E51DEF-0B47-453F-9432-8A19D0067E40@verizon.net> Message-ID: <0306C6BB-D7BD-4B4F-8E5F-94937A5F477D@verizon.net> That's ok. One advantage of choosing the eternal license is that if for some reason I can't make it to Edinburgh, I wouldn't have lost out on that part of the value. On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > >i'm pretty sure you can spend any amount you want, and then select a reward tier that is lower or equal to what you pledged. No need to forego your favourite reward ;) From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Feb 20 11:22:33 2013 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:22:33 -0300 Subject: Think about rising pledges at kickstarter In-Reply-To: <0306C6BB-D7BD-4B4F-8E5F-94937A5F477D@verizon.net> References: <98E51DEF-0B47-453F-9432-8A19D0067E40@verizon.net> <0306C6BB-D7BD-4B4F-8E5F-94937A5F477D@verizon.net> Message-ID: I've raised to 702... thats all I can afford right now having paid my subscription in january :-/ On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > That's ok. One advantage of choosing the eternal license is that if for > some reason I can't make it to Edinburgh, I wouldn't have lost out on that > part of the value. > > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > > > >i'm pretty sure you can spend any amount you want, and then select a > reward tier that is lower or equal to what you pledged. No need to forego > your favourite reward ;) > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. From devin_asay at byu.edu Wed Feb 20 11:29:00 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:29:00 +0000 Subject: How to present a picklist on mobile? In-Reply-To: <51249685.2040707@cogapp.com> References: <5118E853.6070202@cogapp.com> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFF6974@Peas2.byu.local> <51249685.2040707@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01022E59@Peas2.byu.local> On Feb 20, 2013, at 2:25 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > On 11/02/2013 18:13, Devin Asay wrote: >> I'd recommend following Elanor's excellent native scroller tutorial in the latest RevUP newsletter for your list. Once you've wrapped your head around mobile-native controls I think you'll see that they're not difficult, and they go a long way to taking the "clunk" out of your mobile apps. >> >> http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/february/issue148/newsletter4.php > > Thanks Devin (and Elanor), and what a timely article! That certainly gets me most of the way there. > > I noticed that on Elanor's sample stack, although the field scrolls nicely with inertia, and a bounce-back at the bottom, there's no bounce-back at the top. Is this a known limitation? > No, you can build bounce in at the top, too. Here's a script from a card that has a native scrolling field, and it bounces on both ends. I seem to remember that I had to build in some blank space in the enclosing group (or was it in the field itself?) to allow for bounce. local sScrollerID on preOpenCard initCard end preOpenCard on closeCard if the environment is "mobile" then # delete the control before leaving the card iphoneControlDelete sScrollerID end if end closeCard on initCard set the height of fld "longtext" to the formattedHeight of fld "longtext" set the vScroll of group "textGrp" to 0 # scroll to top of text to begin with if the environment is "mobile" then set the layerMode of group "textGrp" to "scrolling" set the vScrollbar of group "textGrp" to false set the unboundedVScroll of group "textGrp" to true # allows out-of-bounds-scrolling iphoneControlCreate "scroller", "textScroller" put the result into sScrollerID put the rect of group "textGrp" into tScrollerRect put the rect of fld "longText" into tContentRect # set various properties of the scroller iphoneControlSet "textScroller", "rect", tScrollerRect # the size of the scroll area iphoneControlSet "textScroller", "contentRect", tContentRect # the size of the scrolled content iphoneControlSet "textScroller", "visible", true iphoneControlSet "textScroller", "canBounce", "true" iphoneControlSet "textScroller", "scrollingEnabled", "true" iphoneControlSet "textScroller", "indicatorStyle", "black" iphoneControlSet "textScroller", "vIndicator", "true" iphoneControlSet "textScroller", "pagingEnabled", "false" iphoneControlSet sScrollerID, "vScroll", "0" else set the vScrollbar of group "textGrp" to true end if end initCard on scrollerDidScroll pOffsetX, pOffsetY -- Set the scroll values of the group based on feedback from the scroller -- notice that we can just use the values directly and because out-of-bounds -- scrolling is enabled for the group, the bounce effect needs no extra -- code. lock screen set the vScroll of group "textGrp" to pOffsetY unlock screen end scrollerDidScroll HTH Devin Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Wed Feb 20 11:59:22 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:59:22 -0500 Subject: Linking for Armv7 Failed In-Reply-To: References: <762C8B52-45D2-40CE-B4CF-BFF0FF528B68@icloud.com> Message-ID: we have a winner - the external needed to be recompiled. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > I'm contacting the author of the external to see if maybe that's the > problem - if I remove the external, it seems to compile. > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > >> yes, yes, and yes and it still fails. >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: >> >>> I was having this problem as well. Did you recently update LC to version >>> 5.5.4? Does your app use any externals? If so, make sure your externals are >>> updated, then attempt a build again. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Sheffield >>> Read Naturally, Inc. >>> www.readnaturally.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Mike Kerner >>> wrote: >>> >>> > I'm trying to compile some apps for use in 6.1 etc. but I'm getting >>> this >>> > error: >>> > linking for armv7 failed with arm-apple-darwin10-livm-g++-4.2: >>> > >>> /private/var/folders/tn/11twzp3x72vggm7kw88vjhdr0000gn/T/TemporaryItems/tmp.22566.z.10BS2h1: >>> > No such file or directory >>> > >>> > -- >>> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth >>> > On the second day, God created the oceans. >>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, >>> > and did a little diving. >>> > And God said, "This is good." >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > use-livecode mailing list >>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth >> On the second day, God created the oceans. >> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, >> and did a little diving. >> And God said, "This is good." >> > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From slylabs13 at me.com Wed Feb 20 12:20:56 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:20:56 -0800 Subject: [OT] Tethering Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08354DF5-A1B7-4897-A6BC-499A9472888E@me.com> Whenever that is true, there is a problem with the ISP DNS. Often they will move their primary DNS servers and not tell anyone or do a really poor job of it. Their previous primary DNS can sometimes fall into neglect, and no be updated properly or at all, in which case the request will timeout and your secondary DNS server, if specified will be queried. If that fails, then it will go down the list of DNS servers you or the DHCP server have specified, until it runs out, then the root hints will be queried, if your DNS server is configured with root hints. All of that is for naught however, since he specified that the only sites he is having a problem with are HTTPS sites. DNS problems would be pervasive. Bob On Feb 19, 2013, at 5:59 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > Sometimes switching from isp-provided DNS servers to OpenDNS on the PC can > improve site performance. > > ~Roger > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From nigels at amglighthouse.co.za Wed Feb 20 12:29:32 2013 From: nigels at amglighthouse.co.za (Nigel Soden) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:29:32 +0200 Subject: Card scrolling Message-ID: Hi All I'm currently coding a application to work on the iPad. I need to but more controls than can fit on the card. Is there a way to make the card scroll up and down allowing controls that are of the card to be seen. I'm developing using the default card size settings for an iPad and unable to penetrate lower than what's available on the card. I hope this makes sense. Regards Nigel From slylabs13 at me.com Wed Feb 20 12:38:02 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:38:02 -0800 Subject: Card scrolling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The way I have heard to do this in the past is to create a group of all the controls on the card, then set the vScroll of the group to true. Bob On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Nigel Soden wrote: > Hi All > > I'm currently coding a application to work on the iPad. I need to but more controls than can fit on the card. Is there a way to make the card scroll up and down allowing controls that are of the card to be seen. I'm developing using the default card size settings for an iPad and unable to penetrate lower than what's available on the card. > > I hope this makes sense. > > Regards > Nigel > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From nigels at amglighthouse.co.za Wed Feb 20 13:06:50 2013 From: nigels at amglighthouse.co.za (Nigel Soden) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:06:50 +0200 Subject: Card scrolling Message-ID: <16626890-6D59-48F1-A188-1602F53D1C72@amglighthouse.co.za> Thanks, I'll have a crack at that. I suppose I could always create some tabs but the objects in there and switch between them as needed. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 20 13:30:19 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:30:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: more KS backers Message-ID: Bob LeVitus backed the KS project. ...That should generate some PR... -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 13:49:34 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:49:34 +0200 Subject: Card scrolling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51251ABE.9060408@gmail.com> On 02/20/2013 07:38 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > The way I have heard to do this in the past is to create a group of all the controls on the card, then set the vScroll of the group to true. > > Bob Funnily enough, just this evening, I've put together a stack for my wife for her lectures on Anglo-Saxon; this includes a socking great map (3000 by 3000 pixels) of the South of England pointing out lots of places associated with King Aelfred of the West Saxons, in a 1200 x 620 stack; so, I grouped the image, set it to have both vertical and horizontal controls, and set the size to 1100 x 610 pixels - and, Lo & Behold, a drop-dead, sexy map. Richmond. > > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Nigel Soden wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> I'm currently coding a application to work on the iPad. I need to but more controls than can fit on the card. Is there a way to make the card scroll up and down allowing controls that are of the card to be seen. I'm developing using the default card size settings for an iPad and unable to penetrate lower than what's available on the card. >> >> I hope this makes sense. >> >> Regards >> Nigel >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From benr_mc at cogapp.com Wed Feb 20 14:12:25 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:12:25 +0000 Subject: How to present a picklist on mobile? In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01022E59@Peas2.byu.local> References: <5118E853.6070202@cogapp.com> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AFF6974@Peas2.byu.local> <51249685.2040707@cogapp.com> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01022E59@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <51252019.1000208@cogapp.com> Thanks Devin - I think that must have been the point with Elanor's sample stack, as a basic field you can't set the scroll negative so it can't represent the bounce. On 20/02/2013 16:29, Devin Asay wrote: > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 2:25 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > >> On 11/02/2013 18:13, Devin Asay wrote: >>> I'd recommend following Elanor's excellent native scroller tutorial in the latest RevUP newsletter for your list. Once you've wrapped your head around mobile-native controls I think you'll see that they're not difficult, and they go a long way to taking the "clunk" out of your mobile apps. >>> >>> http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/february/issue148/newsletter4.php >> >> Thanks Devin (and Elanor), and what a timely article! That certainly gets me most of the way there. >> >> I noticed that on Elanor's sample stack, although the field scrolls nicely with inertia, and a bounce-back at the bottom, there's no bounce-back at the top. Is this a known limitation? >> > > No, you can build bounce in at the top, too. > > Here's a script from a card that has a native scrolling field, and it bounces on both ends. I seem to remember that I had to build in some blank space in the enclosing group (or was it in the field itself?) to allow for bounce. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 20 14:56:07 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Think about rising pledges at kickstarter References: <98E51DEF-0B47-453F-9432-8A19D0067E40@verizon.net> <0306C6BB-D7BD-4B4F-8E5F-94937A5F477D@verizon.net> Message-ID: Andre Garzia writes: > I've raised to 702... thats all I can afford right now having paid my > subscription in january :-/ This just posted by RunRev to the comments section on the KS project page: "while the project does need as much support as possible, we'll be more than happy to discuss applying a very recent renewal against the lifetime license if that helps." -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 20 15:22:02 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:22:02 +1100 Subject: Think about rising pledges at kickstarter In-Reply-To: References: <98E51DEF-0B47-453F-9432-8A19D0067E40@verizon.net> <0306C6BB-D7BD-4B4F-8E5F-94937A5F477D@verizon.net> Message-ID: I'm also asking there if this is a seat license that can be re-assigned to current employees as people come and go. That fact would make a considerable difference to a company interested in the license. Even for me working alone I can see a time in the next couple of years if this goes ahead that I would need to employ someone to help me. Having a lifetime license that I could assign to someone for however long they worked for me would be fantastic. On 21/02/2013, at 6:56 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > "while the project does need as much support as possible, we'll be more than > happy to discuss applying a very recent renewal against the lifetime license if > that helps." -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 16:14:04 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:14:04 +0200 Subject: [OT} Has Lightscribe gone the way of all flesh? Message-ID: <51253C9C.6030604@gmail.com> It would certainly seem so: http://www.lightscribe.com which is a right *%$^&# as I have just installed some Lightscribe enabled DVD writers in a couple of machines with Elementary OS: http://elementaryos.org/ which is almost TOO elementary, so removed the "Plank" excuse for a dock and replaced it with Avant Window Navigator. Finally found Red Hat Packet Manager versions of the simple software and had to fart around doing the 'sudo alien' thang to convert them into Debian packages. However the 4L labeller from LaCie seems to have evaporated; a big pity. Richmond. From gcanyon at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 16:38:22 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:38:22 -0600 Subject: Card scrolling In-Reply-To: <51251ABE.9060408@gmail.com> References: <51251ABE.9060408@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richmond, is this something you'd be willing to share? I'm curious about the touch-scrolling aspects. On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 02/20/2013 07:38 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > >> The way I have heard to do this in the past is to create a group of all >> the controls on the card, then set the vScroll of the group to true. >> >> Bob >> > > Funnily enough, just this evening, I've put together a stack for my wife > for her lectures on Anglo-Saxon; > > this includes a socking great map (3000 by 3000 pixels) of the South of > England pointing out lots of places > associated with King Aelfred of the West Saxons, in a 1200 x 620 stack; > so, I grouped the image, set it to have > both vertical and horizontal controls, and set the size to 1100 x 610 > pixels - and, Lo & Behold, a drop-dead, sexy > map. > > Richmond. > > >> >> On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Nigel Soden wrote: >> >> Hi All >>> >>> I'm currently coding a application to work on the iPad. I need to but >>> more controls than can fit on the card. Is there a way to make the card >>> scroll up and down allowing controls that are of the card to be seen. I'm >>> developing using the default card size settings for an iPad and unable to >>> penetrate lower than what's available on the card. >>> >>> I hope this makes sense. >>> >>> Regards >>> Nigel >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 20 17:21:56 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:21:56 +1100 Subject: full screen scripting Message-ID: <12F1DB8F-6D8D-4DE5-95CA-A7AE5B322356@sweattechnologies.com> Hi Here's a blog post and plugin on how to do it http://goulding.ws/?p=403 Cheers Monte -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 20 17:49:44 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:49:44 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3E=A3150k?= Message-ID: <7C11CE24-05E3-4CD3-AB1B-AA98516AB854@verizon.net> Keeps moving along. At 43.03% now. From dr.alistair at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 18:25:53 2013 From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (planix) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:25:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi, Last week I organised a trivia party with friends. We have been having a trivial pursuit championship over the last 12 months. Having organised the party I discovered that my electronic doo-hickey from the Trivia Pursuit publishers is no longer supported so I couldn't add any more questions. What to do? Well, if you have Livecode the answer is a bit obvious. Write my own. That's what I did. It's not flash and it's not fancy. But, it took me about a day to write an interface that allows me to upload trivia questions from a text document and then select categories of question to ask during the game. It's pretty much just an electronic pack of trivia pursuit cards. The most interesting thing for me was that in that day of Livecoding I decided that this really needed to be delivered as a mobile app. I have not used Livecode for mobile development before so I thought this might be a really big ask. In fact, this was incredibly easy. I still have to work on resizing routines and I know I'm actually going to enjoy this tedious task because Livecode is such an easy environment to play around in. So, right now, I have a working Android app that sits on my phone. If I spend a few more hours I know that I will have the same app prepared for deployment on devices with different screen sizes. And a few more hours and I will have developed a more efficient data management process as well. Given that I am not a professional programmer this has really only been possible because Livecode makes the task of developing application logic so straightforward. Here is a screenshot of the app- on my Windows machine. Not sure how to get a screenshot of it running on my phone. trviaApp.png cheers Alistair Campbell (Australia) -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/1001-things-to-do-with-LiveCode-only-400-page-views-per-day-tp4660715p4660827.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 20 18:42:44 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:42:44 +1100 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <97D59EEC-1DBB-4E95-B87F-91395199D7AD@sweattechnologies.com> On 21/02/2013, at 10:25 AM, planix wrote: > Alistair Campbell > (Australia) Good work Alistair! Where in Aus? Interestingly after years of there only being a handful of Aus developers we seem to be starting to make some noise around here. Perhaps one day my goal of a mini-conference where we get a few gurus to fly in may come to fruition. I'm not sure if my immersive Tasmanian Trail code+mountain biking boot camp idea will ever come together but you can't do everything. Did you get this from Heather today? I have been asked to send this email on behalf of LiveCode user John Tregea, to begin an initiative to set up an Australian LiveCode Users Group. Please reply to him directly on john at debraneys.com if you are interested in taking part. Please see his message below. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From alex at tweedly.net Wed Feb 20 18:38:47 2013 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:38:47 +0000 Subject: full screen scripting In-Reply-To: <12F1DB8F-6D8D-4DE5-95CA-A7AE5B322356@sweattechnologies.com> References: <12F1DB8F-6D8D-4DE5-95CA-A7AE5B322356@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <51255E87.1030108@tweedly.net> That sounded really good - so I spent ages trying to get it to work. Eventually I had the sense to ask my friend Mr Google, and he told me that you need to be on OSX 10.7 or later for this to work. :-) Sp I tried some other things, in particular set the visible of stack " ..../revscripteditor.rev" to false but for some reason that didn't work; some day I might pursue that thought a bit further, and have a frontscript that can hide/show the script editor for me (unless persisting with Glass does it for me :-) -- Alex. On 20/02/2013 22:21, Monte Goulding wrote: > Hi > > Here's a blog post and plugin on how to do it http://goulding.ws/?p=403 > > Cheers > > Monte > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 20 18:50:44 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:50:44 +1100 Subject: full screen scripting In-Reply-To: <51255E87.1030108@tweedly.net> References: <12F1DB8F-6D8D-4DE5-95CA-A7AE5B322356@sweattechnologies.com> <51255E87.1030108@tweedly.net> Message-ID: Hmm... Actually I think you should be able to use this with spaces in SL too.. just gram the SE, move to the space and drop it On 21/02/2013, at 10:38 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > That sounded really good - so I spent ages trying to get it to work. > Eventually I had the sense to ask my friend Mr Google, and he told me that you need to be on OSX 10.7 or later for this to work. > :-) > > Sp I tried some other things, in particular > set the visible of stack " ..../revscripteditor.rev" to false > but for some reason that didn't work; some day I might pursue that thought a bit further, and have a frontscript that can hide/show the script editor for me (unless persisting with Glass does it for me :-) > > -- Alex. > > On 20/02/2013 22:21, Monte Goulding wrote: >> Hi >> >> Here's a blog post and plugin on how to do it http://goulding.ws/?p=403 >> >> Cheers >> >> Monte >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From slylabs13 at me.com Wed Feb 20 19:19:17 2013 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:19:17 -0800 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <31C67EC9-807D-42A7-ACB8-6A326C3A8C56@me.com> A bit of eye candy and a couple unique features and this could be marketable, but I'd approach the people who own the trademark first. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Calvary Chapel CM Sent from iPhone On Feb 20, 2013, at 15:25, planix wrote: > Hi, > > Last week I organised a trivia party with friends. We have been having a > trivial pursuit championship over the last 12 months. Having organised the > party I discovered that my electronic doo-hickey from the Trivia Pursuit > publishers is no longer supported so I couldn't add any more questions. What > to do? Well, if you have Livecode the answer is a bit obvious. Write my own. > That's what I did. It's not flash and it's not fancy. But, it took me about > a day to write an interface that allows me to upload trivia questions from a > text document and then select categories of question to ask during the game. > It's pretty much just an electronic pack of trivia pursuit cards. > > The most interesting thing for me was that in that day of Livecoding I > decided that this really needed to be delivered as a mobile app. I have not > used Livecode for mobile development before so I thought this might be a > really big ask. In fact, this was incredibly easy. I still have to work on > resizing routines and I know I'm actually going to enjoy this tedious task > because Livecode is such an easy environment to play around in. > > So, right now, I have a working Android app that sits on my phone. If I > spend a few more hours I know that I will have the same app prepared for > deployment on devices with different screen sizes. And a few more hours and > I will have developed a more efficient data management process as well. > Given that I am not a professional programmer this has really only been > possible because Livecode makes the task of developing application logic so > straightforward. > > Here is a screenshot of the app- on my Windows machine. Not sure how to get > a screenshot of it running on my phone. > trviaApp.png > > > cheers > > Alistair Campbell > (Australia) > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/1001-things-to-do-with-LiveCode-only-400-page-views-per-day-tp4660715p4660827.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From alex at tweedly.net Wed Feb 20 19:21:51 2013 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:21:51 +0000 Subject: full screen scripting In-Reply-To: References: <12F1DB8F-6D8D-4DE5-95CA-A7AE5B322356@sweattechnologies.com> <51255E87.1030108@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <5125689F.8090203@tweedly.net> You're right - the Help does imply I shold be able to do it. Problem I have is that I can't grab a window to move it (nor can I use the ^-number method). Maybe something odd in my Spaces setup .... Will play with it sometime - thanks for helping. -- Alex. On 20/02/2013 23:50, Monte Goulding wrote: > Hmm... Actually I think you should be able to use this with spaces in SL too.. just gram the SE, move to the space and drop it > > On 21/02/2013, at 10:38 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > >> That sounded really good - so I spent ages trying to get it to work. >> Eventually I had the sense to ask my friend Mr Google, and he told me that you need to be on OSX 10.7 or later for this to work. >> :-) >> >> Sp I tried some other things, in particular >> set the visible of stack " ..../revscripteditor.rev" to false >> but for some reason that didn't work; some day I might pursue that thought a bit further, and have a frontscript that can hide/show the script editor for me (unless persisting with Glass does it for me :-) >> >> -- Alex. >> >> On 20/02/2013 22:21, Monte Goulding wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> Here's a blog post and plugin on how to do it http://goulding.ws/?p=403 >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Monte >>> -- >>> M E R Goulding >>> Software development services >>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >>> >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 20 19:31:50 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:31:50 +1100 Subject: full screen scripting In-Reply-To: <5125689F.8090203@tweedly.net> References: <12F1DB8F-6D8D-4DE5-95CA-A7AE5B322356@sweattechnologies.com> <51255E87.1030108@tweedly.net> <5125689F.8090203@tweedly.net> Message-ID: Odd... is this only for LC windows or any window? On 21/02/2013, at 11:21 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > I can't grab a window to move it -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From alex at tweedly.net Wed Feb 20 19:31:56 2013 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:31:56 +0000 Subject: full screen scripting In-Reply-To: References: <12F1DB8F-6D8D-4DE5-95CA-A7AE5B322356@sweattechnologies.com> <51255E87.1030108@tweedly.net> <5125689F.8090203@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <51256AFC.4020608@tweedly.net> All windows, in all Spaces. Many apps (incl. LC) I have assigned to a particular space, so I thought that might be it - but even Finder windows can't be grabbed. btw - goodnight - no more email from me tonight :-) -- Alex. On 21/02/2013 00:31, Monte Goulding wrote: > Odd... is this only for LC windows or any window? > > On 21/02/2013, at 11:21 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > >> I can't grab a window to move it > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 20 20:15:50 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:15:50 +1100 Subject: full screen scripting In-Reply-To: <51256AFC.4020608@tweedly.net> References: <12F1DB8F-6D8D-4DE5-95CA-A7AE5B322356@sweattechnologies.com> <51255E87.1030108@tweedly.net> <5125689F.8090203@tweedly.net> <51256AFC.4020608@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <4D75ADB0-78B4-4EB8-911D-DC2ACD7B1109@sweattechnologies.com> But it's only lunch time ;-) On 21/02/2013, at 11:31 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > btw - goodnight - no more email from me tonight :-) -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From dr.alistair at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 21:09:22 2013 From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (planix) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:09:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <97D59EEC-1DBB-4E95-B87F-91395199D7AD@sweattechnologies.com> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> <97D59EEC-1DBB-4E95-B87F-91395199D7AD@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1361412562628-4660836.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Monte, I'm in Brisbane. I lived and worked in Tasmania (Launceston) for 10 years before moving to Qld in the early 2000's. I have been really interested to see the work that you are doing from down there. Your work on externalising for iOS is truly impressive. I wish I was more of a programmer so I could contribute something like that for Android (though I understand there are problems with having access to the Android SDK). I have emailed John and let him know that I would also be interested in being part of a LUG(AUS). It's great to see Australians starting to *make some noise* around their involvement with Livecode. Hopefully we can meet up some time and I'd really love to do that hiking in the Tassie wilderness. Hiking, rafting, communing with the tall trees and Livecoding at the same time - what an amazing thought. cheers Alistair -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/1001-things-to-do-with-LiveCode-only-400-page-views-per-day-tp4660715p4660836.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dr.alistair at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 21:17:52 2013 From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (planix) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:17:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <31C67EC9-807D-42A7-ACB8-6A326C3A8C56@me.com> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> <31C67EC9-807D-42A7-ACB8-6A326C3A8C56@me.com> Message-ID: <1361413072573-4660837.post@n4.nabble.com> Thanks Bob, You should have seen my first go at it! I suddenly realised that I needed to think about colours, placement, and complimentarity. It's not great now but I was amazed that I could even think about these things coherently enough to make it look somewhat decent. I would like to turn it into an app for market. Can you think of what sort of eye-candy I could be thinking about. A splash screen? Pictures? Different types of buttons? What might a 'unique' feature be? If anyone could give me a few ideas I can start thinking about how to implement some. cheers Alistair -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/1001-things-to-do-with-LiveCode-only-400-page-views-per-day-tp4660715p4660837.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 20 21:22:56 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:22:56 +1100 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <1361412562628-4660836.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> <97D59EEC-1DBB-4E95-B87F-91395199D7AD@sweattechnologies.com> <1361412562628-4660836.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <6108CCC4-53B3-490E-8DC8-E1F2772A88AE@sweattechnologies.com> On 21/02/2013, at 1:09 PM, planix wrote: > I'm in Brisbane. I lived and worked in Tasmania (Launceston) for 10 years > before moving to Qld in the early 2000's. I have been really interested to > see the work that you are doing from down there. Your work on externalising > for iOS is truly impressive. I wish I was more of a programmer so I could > contribute something like that for Android (though I understand there are > problems with having access to the Android SDK). Wait till we get the extensions API. If that happens what third parties will be able to do for this platform will knock everybody's socks off. > > I have emailed John and let him know that I would also be interested in > being part of a LUG(AUS). It's great to see Australians starting to *make > some noise* around their involvement with Livecode. Great, I already started a subgroup to the linkedin livecode user group so that might be a good place for us to start although of the 7 people in there only 2 are actually Australian.. I think Richard wants to be one.... I don't know if I can give people the boot from there... not worth the trouble unless others join I guess. http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=4543239&trk=hb_side_g > Hopefully we can meet up > some time and I'd really love to do that hiking in the Tassie wilderness. > Hiking, rafting, communing with the tall trees and Livecoding at the same > time - what an amazing thought. Excellent... yes we could always do the south coast track if we wanted a nice walk ;-) -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 20 21:25:34 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:25:34 -0800 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <1361412562628-4660836.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> <97D59EEC-1DBB-4E95-B87F-91395199D7AD@sweattechnologies.com> <1361412562628-4660836.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4685189328.20130220182534@ahsoftware.net> Alistair- Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 6:09:22 PM, you wrote: > Hiking, rafting, communing with the tall trees and Livecoding at the same > time - what an amazing thought. Yeah... I may have to think about commuting down from California. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From dr.alistair at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 21:29:31 2013 From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (planix) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:29:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <6108CCC4-53B3-490E-8DC8-E1F2772A88AE@sweattechnologies.com> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> <97D59EEC-1DBB-4E95-B87F-91395199D7AD@sweattechnologies.com> <1361412562628-4660836.post@n4.nabble.com> <6108CCC4-53B3-490E-8DC8-E1F2772A88AE@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1361413771045-4660840.post@n4.nabble.com> Monte Goulding wrote > Excellent... yes we could always do the south coast track if we wanted a > nice walk ;-) I once walked up over Drys Bluff to the top of the Western Tiers. A good couple of days. But that was when I was also working ony my farm, was 15 years younger and didn't have kids. The south coast track would probably kill me! Monte Goulding wrote > Wait till we get the extensions API. If that happens what third parties > will be able to do for this platform will knock everybody's socks off. I had been meaning to ask you, and others on the list (though it seems a dumb question ) whether it might be possible to write extensions to Livecode for things like Android using livetalk code (not C++ or variants)? cheers -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/1001-things-to-do-with-LiveCode-only-400-page-views-per-day-tp4660715p4660840.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 20 21:36:34 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:36:34 -0800 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <1361413771045-4660840.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> <97D59EEC-1DBB-4E95-B87F-91395199D7AD@sweattechnologies.com> <1361412562628-4660836.post@n4.nabble.com> <6108CCC4-53B3-490E-8DC8-E1F2772A88AE@sweattechnologies.com> <1361413771045-4660840.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <175685849781.20130220183634@ahsoftware.net> planix- Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 6:29:31 PM, you wrote: > I had been meaning to ask you, and others on the list (though it seems a > dumb question ) whether it might be possible to write extensions to Livecode > for things like Android using livetalk code (not C++ or variants)? That may be a different definition of "extension" in that case. If it's in xtalk then you don't need an extension, unless I'm completely misunderstanding what you've got in mind. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From dr.alistair at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 21:38:26 2013 From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (planix) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:38:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <4685189328.20130220182534@ahsoftware.net> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> <97D59EEC-1DBB-4E95-B87F-91395199D7AD@sweattechnologies.com> <1361412562628-4660836.post@n4.nabble.com> <4685189328.20130220182534@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <1361414306623-4660842.post@n4.nabble.com> mwieder wrote > Yeah... I may have to think about commuting down from California. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > > mwieder@ Given the beauty of Australia's wilderness, and especially Tassie, you may find you just have to stay. We could start an enclave of Livecode users to take over the world from the Great South Land (or is that New Zealand?) -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/1001-things-to-do-with-LiveCode-only-400-page-views-per-day-tp4660715p4660842.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 20 21:46:09 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:46:09 +1100 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <175685849781.20130220183634@ahsoftware.net> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> <97D59EEC-1DBB-4E95-B87F-91395199D7AD@sweattechnologies.com> <1361412562628-4660836.post@n4.nabble.com> <6108CCC4-53B3-490E-8DC8-E1F2772A88AE@sweattechnologies.com> <1361413771045-4660840.post@n4.nabble.com> <175685849781.20130220183634@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <5FB2DFD5-2669-49E0-BE61-4DD3A443C657@sweattechnologies.com> On 21/02/2013, at 1:36 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> I had been meaning to ask you, and others on the list (though it seems a >> dumb question ) whether it might be possible to write extensions to Livecode >> for things like Android using livetalk code (not C++ or variants)? > > That may be a different definition of "extension" in that case. If > it's in xtalk then you don't need an extension, unless I'm completely > misunderstanding what you've got in mind. Yeah... I think you just want a library??? Or do you want to actually link to C/Java SDKs/libraries?? -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 20 21:46:46 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:46:46 +1100 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <1361414306623-4660842.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> <97D59EEC-1DBB-4E95-B87F-91395199D7AD@sweattechnologies.com> <1361412562628-4660836.post@n4.nabble.com> <4685189328.20130220182534@ahsoftware.net> <1361414306623-4660842.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <231D99BF-CDFC-4285-8C80-A4F0B1438CF6@sweattechnologies.com> On 21/02/2013, at 1:38 PM, planix wrote: > (or is that New Zealand?) I've only got 4 sheep ;-) -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 20 21:50:26 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:50:26 +1100 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <4685189328.20130220182534@ahsoftware.net> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> <97D59EEC-1DBB-4E95-B87F-91395199D7AD@sweattechnologies.com> <1361412562628-4660836.post@n4.nabble.com> <4685189328.20130220182534@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <1E6CE867-7B01-4B68-92A5-74A0A1079D0E@sweattechnologies.com> On 21/02/2013, at 1:25 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > I may have to think about commuting down from California. You would be most welcome... I kinda like the idea of a bunch of geeks trekking through the wilderness coding on the way... It's just the right juxtaposition to get the surrealist in me interested. Someone might need to carry a generator to recharge our laptops though.... Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 20 21:47:52 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:47:52 -0800 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <1361414306623-4660842.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> <97D59EEC-1DBB-4E95-B87F-91395199D7AD@sweattechnologies.com> <1361412562628-4660836.post@n4.nabble.com> <4685189328.20130220182534@ahsoftware.net> <1361414306623-4660842.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0686526828.20130220184752@ahsoftware.net> Alistair- Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 6:38:26 PM, you wrote: > Given the beauty of Australia's wilderness, and especially Tassie, you may > find you just have to stay. We could start an enclave of Livecode users to > take over the world from the Great South Land (or is that New Zealand?) I've spent some time in the Karri forests of Southwestern Australia, so I have some idea of what you mean. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From gerry.orkin at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 22:10:04 2013 From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:10:04 +1100 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <1361413072573-4660837.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> <31C67EC9-807D-42A7-ACB8-6A326C3A8C56@me.com> <1361413072573-4660837.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Alistair Hi from Wollongong :) I had a look at doing a pub trivia app for the iPad a while back, either as a stand-alone quiz host resource, or as the hub for a smart-phone trivia system running through a server. For various reasons (mostly because I'm lazy) I didn't follow through on it, but it was helpful to look at what others had done. I found lots of trivia apps on Android and iOS - everything from simple stand-alone play to complex online systems that allow for play against friends and strangers. Seems a crowded market already so you are wise to look for a unique twist. That aside, I'd start with content. Can you compile many thousands of legally useable questions and answers? Cheers Gerry On 21/02/2013, at 1:17 PM, planix wrote: > I would like to turn it into an app for market. Can you think of what sort > of eye-candy I could be thinking about. A splash screen? Pictures? Different > types of buttons? What might a 'unique' feature be? If anyone could give me > a few ideas I can start thinking about how to implement some. From dr.alistair at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 23:20:59 2013 From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (planix) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:20:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <5FB2DFD5-2669-49E0-BE61-4DD3A443C657@sweattechnologies.com> References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> <97D59EEC-1DBB-4E95-B87F-91395199D7AD@sweattechnologies.com> <1361412562628-4660836.post@n4.nabble.com> <6108CCC4-53B3-490E-8DC8-E1F2772A88AE@sweattechnologies.com> <1361413771045-4660840.post@n4.nabble.com> <175685849781.20130220183634@ahsoftware.net> <5FB2DFD5-2669-49E0-BE61-4DD3A443C657@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1361420459350-4660848.post@n4.nabble.com> Mark Weider wrote >> That may be a different definition of "extension" in that case. If >> it's in xtalk then you don't need an extension, unless I'm completely >> misunderstanding what you've got in mind. I only use Windows and Linux at the moment. Trying to get my mind around Xtalk might just drive me over the edge! Monte Goulding wrote > Yeah... I think you just want a library??? Or do you want to actually link > to C/Java SDKs/libraries?? Yes, I'm actually thinking about accessing Java SDk and/or C libraries. For instance, I use R (a statistical programming language) a fair bit. There are a number of GUIs for it but none that are straightforward for student users (my main base). It would be incredibly easy to develop a GUI using Livecode. I could then access R functionality using shell or process (I think) calls. But, my fantasy (imagining I can actually understand how to write calls to dll's) would be to access the R engine directly. In my other fantasy (you can see that I don't have much else to fantasise about) I could write an easy interface to the most powerful open source statistical engine in the Universe so that students are not dependent on having to buy in to SPSS or some other proprietary stats program. I have other crazy thoughts like this to do with other libraries (python has some excellent mathematics and statistical libraries) but I really don't have the level of code knowledge to write the glue to the external libraries. cheers Alistair -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/1001-things-to-do-with-LiveCode-only-400-page-views-per-day-tp4660715p4660848.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dr.alistair at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 23:30:48 2013 From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (planix) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:30:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: References: <2ED80C47-32DA-402E-B8A1-0396848F1E0D@gmail.com> <1361402753920-4660827.post@n4.nabble.com> <31C67EC9-807D-42A7-ACB8-6A326C3A8C56@me.com> <1361413072573-4660837.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1361421048556-4660849.post@n4.nabble.com> Gerry Orkin wrote > I found lots of trivia apps on Android and iOS - everything from simple > stand-alone play to complex online systems that allow for play against > friends and strangers. Seems a crowded market already so you are wise to > look for a unique twist. Hi Gerry, I had a look (only at android) and thought the same thing. It's quite crowded. But the ones I tried were disappointing in a range of ways. Some of this was content related. But, mainly it was the idea of the game play. They seem to have focused on an app that an individual can play by themselves and then compete/compare to the amorphous community "out there". Like most things eCommunity I found it a pointless exercise. My interest was in an app which would support the social game of Trivial Pursuit. Just a way of delivering categorised questions like the box of cards. I can see how that idea could be developed into a generic app but my main purpose would be as a tool to support the social activity of trivia games. > That aside, I'd start with content. Can you compile many thousands of > legally useable questions and answers? Agreed, that is a good question. I do have access to a fair number of useable questions. If it was going to go anywhere, though, I would put the effort into developing my own. I have a backgraound in psychometrics so I can do some basic metrics on questions to evaluate difficulty and useability that could provide the twist that is important in a good trivia session. I hadn't thought about it as a pub trivia app- but I should put some thought into it. Hopefully we can catch up at some stage. Australia's not that big cheers Alistair -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/1001-things-to-do-with-LiveCode-only-400-page-views-per-day-tp4660715p4660849.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 21 01:55:20 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:55:20 -0800 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <1361420459350-4660848.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1361420459350-4660848.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5125C4D8.80901@fourthworld.com> planix wrote: > I use R (a statistical programming language) a fair bit. There are > a number of GUIs for it but none that are straightforward for student > users (my main base). It would be incredibly easy to develop a GUI using > Livecode. I could then access R functionality using shell or process > (I think) calls. That would be quite doable, and likely fast enough that I'm not sure what you'd gain from a native interface to the R engine. My own R experience is limited to knowing only that it's important and worth learning, but I haven't yet spent much time with it in earnest. I look forward to seeing what you come up with. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web ____________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From heather at runrev.com Thu Feb 21 02:57:45 2013 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:57:45 +0000 Subject: Think about rising pledges at kickstarter In-Reply-To: References: <98E51DEF-0B47-453F-9432-8A19D0067E40@verizon.net> <0306C6BB-D7BD-4B4F-8E5F-94937A5F477D@verizon.net> Message-ID: <21A13279-B6A6-4428-9D5B-FA88402317B0@runrev.com> You can do this with any license you own: http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4072/l/20000-how-do-i-assign-a-license-to-another-user Regards, Heather On 20 Feb 2013, at 20:22, Monte Goulding wrote: > I'm also asking there if this is a seat license that can be re-assigned to current employees as people come and go. That fact would make a considerable difference to a company interested in the license. Even for me working alone I can see a time in the next couple of years if this goes ahead that I would need to employ someone to help me. Having a lifetime license that I could assign to someone for however long they worked for me would be fantastic. > > On 21/02/2013, at 6:56 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> "while the project does need as much support as possible, we'll be more than >> happy to discuss applying a very recent renewal against the lifetime license if >> that helps." > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.runrev.com/ Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 21 03:42:34 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:42:34 +1100 Subject: Think about rising pledges at kickstarter In-Reply-To: <21A13279-B6A6-4428-9D5B-FA88402317B0@runrev.com> References: <98E51DEF-0B47-453F-9432-8A19D0067E40@verizon.net> <0306C6BB-D7BD-4B4F-8E5F-94937A5F477D@verizon.net> <21A13279-B6A6-4428-9D5B-FA88402317B0@runrev.com> Message-ID: <465B14F4-B532-4744-AC2F-5C7DB78FA3CD@sweattechnologies.com> Excellent, I'll think seriously about it then. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 21/02/2013, at 6:57 PM, Heather Laine wrote: > You can do this with any license you own: > > http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4072/l/20000-how-do-i-assign-a-license-to-another-user > > Regards, > > Heather > > On 20 Feb 2013, at 20:22, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> I'm also asking there if this is a seat license that can be re-assigned to current employees as people come and go. That fact would make a considerable difference to a company interested in the license. Even for me working alone I can see a time in the next couple of years if this goes ahead that I would need to employ someone to help me. Having a lifetime license that I could assign to someone for however long they worked for me would be fantastic. >> >> On 21/02/2013, at 6:56 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> >>> "while the project does need as much support as possible, we'll be more than >>> happy to discuss applying a very recent renewal against the lifetime license if >>> that helps." >> >> -- >> Monte Goulding >> >> M E R Goulding - software development services >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > Heather Laine > Customer Services Manager > http://www.runrev.com/ > Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From alanstenhouse at hotmail.com Thu Feb 21 03:55:01 2013 From: alanstenhouse at hotmail.com (Alan Stenhouse) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:55:01 +0100 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On 21/02/2013, at 1:38 PM, planix wrote: > >> (or is that New Zealand?) > > I've only got 4 sheep ;-) > > -- > M E R Goulding heheh, I better not comment on that.... but only 4? Not even enough to make a game of it... ;-) BTW, I'm a member of the Aussie group as I have a "cunning plan" to be back down there in the not-too-distant future... cheers Alan ;-) -- Alan Stenhouse alanstenhouse at hotmail.com Check out our apps on the App Store: BeatSpeak - the multilingual talking metronome; EV-Point - Find your nearest Electric Vehicle Recharge Station. From zellner at tamu.edu Thu Feb 21 11:16:31 2013 From: zellner at tamu.edu (Ronald Zellner) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:16:31 -0600 Subject: Some basic concerns Message-ID: Hi, I've been developing in Revolution/LiveCode in an academic setting since 1999. Most of my work uses regular stacks. I did try a few iPad applications a while back, but I have not renewed my certifications. Recently I was asked to develop a research instrument for a project using iPads. My concern is related to the long-term maintenance of such work; if I don't continue to keep my certification active will the research instruments be useless at some point? The instrument will involve data collection, manipulation, and storage. This is all quite manageable with a stack on a laptop, but I'm not sure how I want to proceed in relation to using iPads. I also have concerns about where to store the data (local or server) and how to access it. Any general thoughts or advice? Thanks, Ron From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 21 11:32:17 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:32:17 -0500 Subject: Some basic concerns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you are just using your developer certificate and profile, then ye, it would expire if you don't keep your account up to date. Data could be sent to a server, and retrieved by the app, in the same way that you can with any technology. That would give you the option too of sharing the iPad data with the desktop version of the app. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Feb 21 12:35:04 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:35:04 +0100 Subject: Some basic concerns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51265AC8.2030300@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Ron, When your certificate expires, already installed apps on an iPad will continue to work, provided that they were bought from the iTunes sture. Any apps that you installed directly on your iPad, using XCode and a developers certificate, will stop working shortly after your Apple dev account expires. A solution might be to make your app available on the iTunes store for free, install the app on all the devices you need it on, and let your account expire. If you decide to update your app e.g. three years later, you can renew your dev account and update the app. If you plan to update your app every year or 18 months, it might be a good idea to contact a developer whose account isn't likely to expire ;-) -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. On 2/21/2013 17:16, Ronald Zellner wrote: > Hi, > > I've been developing in Revolution/LiveCode in an academic setting since 1999. Most of my work uses regular stacks. I did try a few iPad applications a while back, but I have not renewed my certifications. Recently I was asked to develop a research instrument for a project using iPads. My concern is related to the long-term maintenance of such work; if I don't continue to keep my certification active will the research instruments be useless at some point? The instrument will involve data collection, manipulation, and storage. This is all quite manageable with a stack on a laptop, but I'm not sure how I want to proceed in relation to using iPads. I also have concerns about where to store the data (local or server) and how to access it. Any general thoughts or advice? > Thanks, > Ron > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 21 13:20:42 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:20:42 -0800 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day Message-ID: <5126657A.7070208@fourthworld.com> Alan Stenhouse wrote: > BTW, I'm a member of the Aussie group as I have a "cunning plan" to be back down there in the not-too-distant future... I would LOVE to see a LiveCode conference in either AU or NZ. FWIW, there's an online user group for AU LiveCode devs at LinkedIn: Should we consider such a conference? Auckland or Wellington would be my first choices, but Sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne would be great too (I haven't yet been to AU, but my visits to NZ have been wonderful). Anyone who's visited the antipodes understands that it's the rest of the world that's upside down. Such a sane way of life down under. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 21 13:23:41 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:23:41 -0500 Subject: another tweet Message-ID: <1C7AD9D1-EDC3-46E3-A55F-80FE9E3D5F4A@verizon.net> One of the people I asked to promote LC KS was Gary Rosenzweig, he runs a site called MacMost.com. He has tweeted and posted to Facebook, here's the tweet: https://twitter.com/rosenz/status/304648799987589122 He has over 7000 follows, who are all interested in technical things, so you never know. From zellner at tamu.edu Thu Feb 21 13:45:31 2013 From: zellner at tamu.edu (Ronald Zellner) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:45:31 -0600 Subject: Some basic concerns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <195F44EF-99CC-4D04-B90C-678AF25D696B@tamu.edu> > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:32:17 -0500 > From: Colin Holgate > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: Some basic concerns > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > If you are just using your developer certificate and profile, then ye, it would expire if you don't keep your account up to date. > > Data could be sent to a server, and retrieved by the app, in the same way that you can with any technology. That would give you the option too of sharing the iPad data with the desktop version of the app. I'm familiar with the server delivery/storage capability, but I didn't know if there are viable options for data storage on the iPad like there is on a laptop. Mark mentioned that if I put it on the iTunes App store, then it will not expire. I'm wondering if I put a high price on it maybe I can keep it there without it getting spread around since it will be for a research project and would have data server submission/access features. Guess the easiest way is to not let the developer certificate expire. Thanks, Ron From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 21 14:04:42 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:04:42 -0800 Subject: [ANN] UbuCon @ SCaLE in 23 hours Message-ID: <51266FCA.4090705@fourthworld.com> The SoCal Linux Expo kicks off in under 24 hours from now. If you haven't been, it's not only the best place for learning about Linux in SoCal, and not only the best conference bargain ever at just $70 for all three days, but also one of the most fun social events each year. Friday is Special Events day at SCaLE and I'll be at UbuCon there, a full day of all things Ubuntu. We have some great speakers lined up, including Ubuntu Community Manager Jono Bacon showing off Ubuntu for smartphones, and I'll be providing an introduction to LiveCode as well. If you're in SoCal and either enjoy Linux or just want to learn more about it, this is the place to be. Hope to see you there - -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 21 14:27:01 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 06:27:01 +1100 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <5126657A.7070208@fourthworld.com> References: <5126657A.7070208@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On 22/02/2013, at 5:20 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > I would LOVE to see a LiveCode conference in either AU or NZ. > > FWIW, there's an online user group for AU LiveCode devs at LinkedIn: > > > Should we consider such a conference? > > Auckland or Wellington would be my first choices, but Sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne would be great too (I haven't yet been to AU, but my visits to NZ have been wonderful). What.. not Tas? ;-) My suggestion would be either Melbourne or Sydney to capture larger concentrations of users. From what I've seen we are all fairly widely dispersed down here. There's at least 2 LiveCoders at Melbourne Uni though which makes me wonder if we could arrange some use of their facilities. What I really would like is some way (and this could be international) for people to pin themselves on a map so we could see who's where and in what numbers. I imagine there's some web app for that??? Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From wwaldman at klht.org Thu Feb 21 15:00:40 2013 From: wwaldman at klht.org (William Waldman) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:00:40 -0500 Subject: Arduino and LiveCode and RadioShack and rambling on In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some context (A Contest!): RadioShack has recently [ https://www.radioshackdiy.com/ ]returned to its DIY roots. Partnering with Make Magazine, Instructables, Popular Science, Wired, and Popular Mechanics, the Shack is sponsoring "The Great Create" to spur the use of the parts and technologies they sell. Which is why they now sell Arduino kits, Maker kits, Seeed Studio add-ons, etc. They are having a contest they invites entrants to create projects that tie together mobile devices and the Arduino (both of which RadioShack sells, of course): Contest info on The Great Create blog: http://blog.radioshack.com/2013/02/great-create-challenge-mod-your-mobile/ Contest or not, this is a great vehicle for teaching programming, hardware, mobile networking, etc. etc. Maybe even using LiveCode. So, forgive my cluelessness...... I'm trying to imagine a way to talk (ideally, bidirectionally) to an Arduino using a LiveCode app on iOS. Does anyone have experience with this? My only ideas are using [ http://www.redpark.com/c2db9.html ]the Redpark serial cable (not sure if we can talk to it via LiveCode, maybe using mergeExt?) or... via a good ol' web protocols (using a wireless connection to the Arduino - a wifi-enabled [ https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11663 ]NetDuino?) or... A combination of these, as the [ http://www.ladyada.net/make/xbee/ ]XBee does a very good job of acting like a serial wire...maybe connecting the Redpark cable wirelessly to the Arduino. (Warning - tangential reference ahead) For those interested in the Desktop to Arduino connection: I've managed to replicate some of Corni Cornaz' great work, done with the desktop version of LiveCode and Arduino, using the XBee. Corni did a [ http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/13729531 ]LiveCode TV presentation and also put his stack on line here: www.claudi.on-rev.com/livecode/experiments/ Corni has done a great job of documenting the precarious serial communications protocol pitfalls in LiveCode on the desktop side. His prototype stack demonstrates two way serial communications with the Arduino, and was simple as pie to convert to an XBee based wireless connection (yes, really). (Lastly, for a future discussion and an exercise left for the reader, insert the words "Raspberry Pi" where ever you see "Arduino". Sadly, Radio Shack has not yet embraced the Pi.) As always. sorry for the ramble - and thanks for any thoughts you may have.... Bill Waldman


This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and any attachments and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Feb 21 15:15:36 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:15:36 -0500 Subject: charToNum Windows space key Message-ID: <4E7A0A4C-05CB-418C-ACAF-EB81940F8485@mac.com> Anyone know what the charToNum for the Windows space key is? The list I have is just plain wrong? Mac is 32 but my list says 49 and for Windows it states 20 Thanks -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 21 15:20:06 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:20:06 +1100 Subject: Arduino and LiveCode and RadioShack and rambling on In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2955DD94-E940-4C9E-A105-E97C2257E41D@sweattechnologies.com> On 22/02/2013, at 7:00 AM, "William Waldman" wrote: > I'm trying to imagine a way to talk (ideally, bidirectionally) to an > Arduino using a LiveCode app on iOS. > Does anyone have experience with this? Have you seen my commitment to implementing a core bluetooth external for iOS if RunRev meet their pledge target? I have had 2 requests for this and both were interested in using the Red Bear BLE shield to play with an arduino. http://redbearlab.com > > My only ideas are using [ http://www.redpark.com/c2db9.html ]the Redpark > serial cable (not sure if we can talk to it via LiveCode, maybe using > mergeExt?) Tom McGrath has done quite a bit of work on this already using mergAccessory -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From bonnmike at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 15:23:00 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:23:00 -0700 Subject: charToNum Windows space key In-Reply-To: <4E7A0A4C-05CB-418C-ACAF-EB81940F8485@mac.com> References: <4E7A0A4C-05CB-418C-ACAF-EB81940F8485@mac.com> Message-ID: Thought it was 32 (decimal) on all platforms, but then again my being wrong is my main skill! On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Anyone know what the charToNum for the Windows space key is? The list I > have is just plain wrong? > Mac is 32 but my list says 49 and for Windows it states 20 > > Thanks > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Thu Feb 21 15:30:09 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:30:09 -0500 Subject: charToNum Windows space key In-Reply-To: References: <4E7A0A4C-05CB-418C-ACAF-EB81940F8485@mac.com> Message-ID: I tested it on WinXP and Ubuntu. Both returned 32. ~Roger On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > Thought it was 32 (decimal) on all platforms, but then again my being wrong > is my main skill! > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Thomas McGrath III >wrote: > > > Anyone know what the charToNum for the Windows space key is? The list I > > have is just plain wrong? > > Mac is 32 but my list says 49 and for Windows it states 20 > > > > Thanks > > > > -- Tom McGrath III > > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Feb 21 15:32:24 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:32:24 -0600 Subject: charToNum Windows space key In-Reply-To: References: <4E7A0A4C-05CB-418C-ACAF-EB81940F8485@mac.com> Message-ID: <51268458.7020801@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/21/13 2:23 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > Thought it was 32 (decimal) on all platforms It should be. ASCII 32 through 127 are supposed to be identical everywhere. After that it varies by platform. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Thu Feb 21 15:36:04 2013 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:36:04 +0000 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: References: <5126657A.7070208@fourthworld.com>, Message-ID: > From: monte at sweattechnologies.com > Subject: Re: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 06:27:01 +1100 > What I really would like is some way (and this could be international) for people to pin themselves on a map so we could see who's where and in what numbers. I imagine there's some web app for that??? > > Cheers > > Monte Goulding There was someone who put up a google map where liveCode users could pin their locations... I can't remember who put it together though and can't find the link to it... Perhaps someone on the list can throw some light on this... Dixie From bonnmike at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 15:37:38 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:37:38 -0700 Subject: charToNum Windows space key In-Reply-To: <51268458.7020801@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4E7A0A4C-05CB-418C-ACAF-EB81940F8485@mac.com> <51268458.7020801@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Hmm. the is the 20 Hex? On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:32 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/21/13 2:23 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > >> Thought it was 32 (decimal) on all platforms >> > > It should be. ASCII 32 through 127 are supposed to be identical > everywhere. After that it varies by platform. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 21 15:41:15 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:41:15 +1100 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: References: <5126657A.7070208@fourthworld.com>, Message-ID: On 22/02/2013, at 7:36 AM, John Dixon wrote: > There was someone who put up a google map where liveCode users could pin their locations... I can't remember who put it together though and can't find the link to it... > > Perhaps someone on the list can throw some light on this... I want something where I can see where people are and connect with them if I have a reason to. I think it would need to be more detailed than a google map. Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From john at splash21.com Thu Feb 21 15:45:03 2013 From: john at splash21.com (John Craig) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:45:03 +0000 Subject: Native cloud storage Message-ID: <5126874F.7020504@splash21.com> As part of a commercial app I'm working on, there is a requirement for basic cloud storage, so I've created a simple, native LC cloud storage service for storing app data as required. If there are a few interested volunteers that are in a position to give it a test run, then drop me a quick line off list. Best, John. --- More info --- It's a small, open source button script that you can simply plug in or copy into your app. It will work with all LC platforms - Mac/Win/Linux/iOS/Android. The service is based around a native LC REST API. Storage limits can be configured per user. All communication is straight HTTP, so no issues should arise with Apple re. encryption. User credentials are safe - they aren't visible in any communication with the server. You can insert the button script into the back scripts or just paste the code into your stack, etc. The syntax is simple. -- Initialize the service with your account details; cloud.Start tEmail, tPassword -- Fetch account storage stats: used / limit / percentage; put cloud.Stats() into tData -- Store data examples; cloud.Store "MyData", "12345" cloud.Store "com.domain.app.machine.key", "ABC-DEF-GHI" -- Fetch stored data examples; put cloud.Fetch("MyData") into tData put cloud.Fetch("com.domain.app.machine.key") into tData -- Delete data cloud.Delete "MyData" In addition, a quick tweak allowed storage of 'shared' info - high scores in this example. This allows multiple app instances all to post scores simultaneously and the server will look after the data and keep it in sync - also keeping only the top N records. If this works as expected, it could be really useful to allow this sharing for all types of data. -- Post a score. This example posts to the app's high score table. -- pScore is the actual score, pData could be the user name, etc. - anything associated with the score -- the last parameter instructs the server to only keep hold of the top 10 records. cloud.Score "com.domain.app.hiScores", pScore, pData, 10 -- Fetch high scores put cloud.FetchScores("HiScores") into tHiScores -- Delete the high scores cloud.DeleteScores "HiScores" From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 21 15:51:09 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Some basic concerns References: <195F44EF-99CC-4D04-B90C-678AF25D696B@tamu.edu> Message-ID: Ronald Zellner writes: > I'm wondering if I put a high > price on it maybe I can keep it there without it getting spread around rotfl. Remember that Apple gets a 30% cut of the purchase price. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From guglielmo at braguglia.ch Thu Feb 21 16:31:17 2013 From: guglielmo at braguglia.ch (Guglielmo Braguglia) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:31:17 +0100 Subject: Arduino and LiveCode and RadioShack and rambling on In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51269225.2020509@braguglia.ch> Hi Bill, YES, I have ... :-) I wrote a simple LiveCode program running on OSX, Win, Linux, iOS and ... KindleFire (the only Android that I have), connecting an Arduino Uno R3 + Arduino WiFi Shield. The program read the 6 analog port values and can read/set the only 4 digital pin (5,6,8,9) remaining free when you use the WiFi Shield (which, as probably you know, use a lot of pin : 4,11,12,13,7,10). To increase the I/O I'm now trying to move to Arduino Mega 2560 ... ;-) All the exchange of information is done using the HTTP/GET protocol, so quite easy ... If you need more info or help, free to contact me off-list ... :-) Guglielmo On 21.02.2013 21:00, William Waldman wrote: > ... > > I'm trying to imagine a way to talk (ideally, bidirectionally) to an > Arduino using a LiveCode app on iOS. > Does anyone have experience with this? From devin_asay at byu.edu Thu Feb 21 17:05:04 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:05:04 +0000 Subject: Kickstarter at 50% Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A010269EB@Peas2.byu.local> The LiveCode Kickstarter campaign just hit 50% of the goal. Let's keep it going! Devin Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 21 17:05:39 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: 50%! Message-ID: 50%! -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jacques.clavel at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 17:15:49 2013 From: jacques.clavel at gmail.com (jacques CLAVEL) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 23:15:49 +0100 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6ID6jMTUwaw==?= In-Reply-To: <7C11CE24-05E3-4CD3-AB1B-AA98516AB854@verizon.net> References: <7C11CE24-05E3-4CD3-AB1B-AA98516AB854@verizon.net> Message-ID: 50%. 2013/2/20 Colin Holgate > Keeps moving along. At 43.03% now. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 21 17:24:52 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 09:24:52 +1100 Subject: 50%! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: and back in Kicktraq top 10 On 22/02/2013, at 9:05 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > 50%! > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Feb 21 17:21:10 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:21:10 -0500 Subject: charToNum Windows space key In-Reply-To: <51268458.7020801@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4E7A0A4C-05CB-418C-ACAF-EB81940F8485@mac.com> <51268458.7020801@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Thanks all, I forgot that 32 - 127 are similar. Actually that is good news for me. One less thing to worry about. Till I forget again. Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 21, 2013, at 3:32 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/21/13 2:23 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: >> Thought it was 32 (decimal) on all platforms > > It should be. ASCII 32 through 127 are supposed to be identical everywhere. After that it varies by platform. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 21 17:23:40 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:23:40 -0500 Subject: 50% Message-ID: We're now at 50%. Also, back to #10 in the kicktraq.com charts. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Feb 21 17:24:38 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:24:38 -0500 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: References: <5126657A.7070208@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <5A81ADA2-C22F-4882-8A40-3B6EF91ABF39@mac.com> I agree with that Monte, The map was a fun curiosity I was just there the other day but it is not very useful beyond that. It would be great if there where more choices like leave a message, call etc. Maybe a Tag feature like what's been going on on YouTube. You know, someone tags you to do a little coding technique or what your favorite function is and you post it, then it's your turn to Tag someone else. It is a very community type concept. Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 21, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 22/02/2013, at 7:36 AM, John Dixon wrote: > >> There was someone who put up a google map where liveCode users could pin their locations... I can't remember who put it together though and can't find the link to it... >> >> Perhaps someone on the list can throw some light on this... > > I want something where I can see where people are and connect with them if I have a reason to. I think it would need to be more detailed than a google map. > > Cheers > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Feb 21 17:29:36 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:29:36 -0500 Subject: 50% In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68C8C86A-3A94-435D-A261-5CBF513BFD56@mac.com> I finally kicked in and pledged. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 21, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > We're now at 50%. Also, back to #10 in the kicktraq.com charts. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 21 17:48:52 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 09:48:52 +1100 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: <5A81ADA2-C22F-4882-8A40-3B6EF91ABF39@mac.com> References: <5126657A.7070208@fourthworld.com> <5A81ADA2-C22F-4882-8A40-3B6EF91ABF39@mac.com> Message-ID: On 22/02/2013, at 9:24 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I agree with that Monte, The map was a fun curiosity I was just there the other day but it is not very useful beyond that. It would be great if there where more choices like leave a message, call etc. > > Maybe a Tag feature like what's been going on on YouTube. You know, someone tags you to do a little coding technique or what your favorite function is and you post it, then it's your turn to Tag someone else. It is a very community type concept. I can't help wondering why there isn't something like this around or if there is. It would be a good web app. I'd also like to be notified if someone new lists themselves and they are in my user-settable neighbourhood radius. I guess it might need to handle communication too... I wonder if there's some phpBB plugin that could do this stuff? Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 21 18:15:33 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 23:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: 50% References: <68C8C86A-3A94-435D-A261-5CBF513BFD56@mac.com> Message-ID: Thomas McGrath III writes: > > I finally kicked in and pledged. > I guess some folks just need to know we're winning before they come around -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 21 18:26:10 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:26:10 -0800 Subject: 50% In-Reply-To: <68C8C86A-3A94-435D-A261-5CBF513BFD56@mac.com> References: <68C8C86A-3A94-435D-A261-5CBF513BFD56@mac.com> Message-ID: <5126AD12.3000103@fourthworld.com> Must be popular this morning - I keep trying to post my pledge, but the system keeps erroring out telling me to retry. :( > Thomas McGrath III mcgrath3 at mac.com > Thu Feb 21 16:29:36 CST 2013 > > I finally kicked in and pledged. > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > On Feb 21, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> We're now at 50%. Also, back to #10 in the kicktraq.com charts. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 21 18:32:52 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:32:52 +1100 Subject: 50% In-Reply-To: <5126AD12.3000103@fourthworld.com> References: <68C8C86A-3A94-435D-A261-5CBF513BFD56@mac.com> <5126AD12.3000103@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Stop trying to pledge ?175000 Richard... it won't let you ;-) On 22/02/2013, at 10:26 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Must be popular this morning - I keep trying to post my pledge, but the system keeps erroring out telling me to retry. :( > > >> Thomas McGrath III mcgrath3 at mac.com >> Thu Feb 21 16:29:36 CST 2013 >> >> I finally kicked in and pledged. >> >> -- Tom McGrath III >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> mcgrath3 at mac.com >> >> On Feb 21, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: >> >>> We're now at 50%. Also, back to #10 in the kicktraq.com charts. > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 21 18:37:58 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:37:58 +1100 Subject: 50% In-Reply-To: References: <68C8C86A-3A94-435D-A261-5CBF513BFD56@mac.com> Message-ID: <7CCB800B-9181-4CA2-9D99-8A7DB4968F97@sweattechnologies.com> On 22/02/2013, at 10:15 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > I guess some folks just need to know we're winning before they come around considering what Tom's been through over the last couple of months it's probably been a big decision I'm wondering if one of the issues is there's a significant percentage of LC users that feel they won't need commercial licenses once it's open source. So there could be a rush to the line as these people realise they could just make one last payment for LC then use an up to date version for the rest of their lives. It's clear that many commercial developers are seeing the advantage of the lifetime license. The hobbyists get a lifetime license without even donating. Perhaps they should consider a larger pledge as a payment for a lifetime hobbyist license? Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From niconiko at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 18:37:14 2013 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 08:37:14 +0900 Subject: timing mouseDown Message-ID: Hello. On mobile apps, pressing a button-icon can have two results, depending on how long the button is held down. I recollect having scripted this effect on LC in the past, using mouseDown and "send" and "cancel message". But I also recollect problems with the message queue. So, what would an ideal LC script be for this, with both desktop and mobile platforms in mind? Thank you. -- Nicolas Cueto From bonnmike at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 18:49:42 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:49:42 -0700 Subject: 50% In-Reply-To: <7CCB800B-9181-4CA2-9D99-8A7DB4968F97@sweattechnologies.com> References: <68C8C86A-3A94-435D-A261-5CBF513BFD56@mac.com> <7CCB800B-9181-4CA2-9D99-8A7DB4968F97@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Even as a hobbyist, I've donated as much as I can handle. Hopefully there are enough people out there who are able/willing to step in and cover for my lack! I do really wish I could swing the 2400 though. On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 22/02/2013, at 10:15 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > > I guess some folks just need to know we're winning before they come > around > > considering what Tom's been through over the last couple of months it's > probably been a big decision > > I'm wondering if one of the issues is there's a significant percentage of > LC users that feel they won't need commercial licenses once it's open > source. So there could be a rush to the line as these people realise they > could just make one last payment for LC then use an up to date version for > the rest of their lives. It's clear that many commercial developers are > seeing the advantage of the lifetime license. The hobbyists get a lifetime > license without even donating. Perhaps they should consider a larger pledge > as a payment for a lifetime hobbyist license? > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Feb 21 18:58:31 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:58:31 -0500 Subject: 50% In-Reply-To: References: <68C8C86A-3A94-435D-A261-5CBF513BFD56@mac.com> Message-ID: <96219F2B-C0DD-4F5B-8262-768843031047@mac.com> Haa? I think I just started thinking again? ;-) -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 21, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Thomas McGrath III writes: > >> >> I finally kicked in and pledged. >> > > I guess some folks just need to know we're winning before they come around > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 21 19:04:14 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:04:14 +1100 Subject: 50% In-Reply-To: References: <68C8C86A-3A94-435D-A261-5CBF513BFD56@mac.com> <7CCB800B-9181-4CA2-9D99-8A7DB4968F97@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: On 22/02/2013, at 10:49 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: > Even as a hobbyist, I've donated as much as I can handle. Hopefully there > are enough people out there who are able/willing to step in and cover for > my lack! > > I do really wish I could swing the 2400 though. Sure... but there's got to be a heap of people that have pledged ?33 or less that could justify bumping up considerably just to get this over the line. There's got to be more commercial developers than 134 on ?310 and up.... -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Feb 21 19:01:31 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:01:31 -0500 Subject: 50% In-Reply-To: <7CCB800B-9181-4CA2-9D99-8A7DB4968F97@sweattechnologies.com> References: <68C8C86A-3A94-435D-A261-5CBF513BFD56@mac.com> <7CCB800B-9181-4CA2-9D99-8A7DB4968F97@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Oh, man, if things weren't so difficult right now I'd be taking out a loan for the 2400 right this minute. But alas, I don't want to add a divorce on top of all my other problems. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 21, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 22/02/2013, at 10:15 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> I guess some folks just need to know we're winning before they come around > > considering what Tom's been through over the last couple of months it's probably been a big decision > > I'm wondering if one of the issues is there's a significant percentage of LC users that feel they won't need commercial licenses once it's open source. So there could be a rush to the line as these people realise they could just make one last payment for LC then use an up to date version for the rest of their lives. It's clear that many commercial developers are seeing the advantage of the lifetime license. The hobbyists get a lifetime license without even donating. Perhaps they should consider a larger pledge as a payment for a lifetime hobbyist license? > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 21 19:15:44 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:15:44 +1100 Subject: 50% In-Reply-To: References: <68C8C86A-3A94-435D-A261-5CBF513BFD56@mac.com> <7CCB800B-9181-4CA2-9D99-8A7DB4968F97@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <0340806F-0029-45AE-A423-30BE22830CD0@sweattechnologies.com> Happy wife, happy life! ... at least so I've heard ;-) On 22/02/2013, at 11:01 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Oh, man, if things weren't so difficult right now I'd be taking out a loan for the 2400 right this minute. But alas, I don't want to add a divorce on top of all my other problems. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From dan at clearvisiontech.com Thu Feb 21 19:18:12 2013 From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:18:12 -0800 Subject: Does anyone know if... Message-ID: <63585006-BE47-4137-91C0-20C5FC1CF2F4@clearvisiontech.com> I tested my app with APNS under development and everything worked great! I then released the app into the app store but forgot to enable APNS for production. (Don't I feel like the idiot!) I then enabled push for production (in the App IDs section of the portal) but the app still isn't getting pushes. Do I have to upload a new version of the app with a new profile with the production push enabled? I didn't think so as I thought pushes were connected to the app ID, not the profile. Thanks in advance, -Dan From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 21 19:57:59 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 00:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: 50% References: <68C8C86A-3A94-435D-A261-5CBF513BFD56@mac.com> <7CCB800B-9181-4CA2-9D99-8A7DB4968F97@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Monte Goulding writes: > considering what Tom's been through over the last couple of months it's probably been a big decision Yep - that's why there's a at the end. And if I didn't know Tom better I wouldn't even have gone that far. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From gerry.orkin at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 20:19:38 2013 From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:19:38 +1100 Subject: timing mouseDown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2FCBAD3F-29C4-403B-9D13-00DE64E71AD7@gmail.com> Use mousestilldown? Gerry On 22/02/2013, at 10:37 AM, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > Hello. > > On mobile apps, pressing a button-icon can have two results, depending on > how long the button is held down. > > I recollect having scripted this effect on LC in the past, using mouseDown > and "send" and "cancel message". But I also recollect problems with the > message queue. > > So, what would an ideal LC script be for this, with both desktop and mobile > platforms in mind? > > Thank you. > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Thu Feb 21 22:29:39 2013 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 03:29:39 +0000 Subject: can't get pixel density for an iPhone (Retina-4 inch) in the simulator Message-ID: I'm running LC 5.5.4 with Xcode 4.6 and I'm trying to get my app to display correctly in the simulator (seems to be 6.0) Works fine for iPhone and iPhone (Retina 3.5-inch) but when I switch to iPhone (Retina 4-inch) both mobilePixelDensity return 1 and my resolution specific code fails. iPhoneDeviceResolution() returns the correct values and I guess I can work backwards from there but I'm guessing the first 2 functions should work. Has anyone else seen this? Any advice? Terry... Dr Terry Judd Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Eduction Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne From dunbarx at aol.com Thu Feb 21 22:49:15 2013 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:49:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: timing mouseDown In-Reply-To: <2FCBAD3F-29C4-403B-9D13-00DE64E71AD7@gmail.com> References: <2FCBAD3F-29C4-403B-9D13-00DE64E71AD7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CFDEC6B6DD34E7-1B14-483D2@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> This worked in 1987, no reason to get all fancy with sending in time and so forth, and it is a case where the wait command is perfectly at home: on mouseDown put the ticks into tStart wait until the mouse is up if the ticks - tStart < 20 then answer "Short Press" else answer "Long Press" end mouseDown Craig Newman -----Original Message----- From: Gerry Orkin To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:20 pm Subject: Re: timing mouseDown Use mousestilldown? Gerry On 22/02/2013, at 10:37 AM, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > Hello. > > On mobile apps, pressing a button-icon can have two results, depending on > how long the button is held down. > > I recollect having scripted this effect on LC in the past, using mouseDown > and "send" and "cancel message". But I also recollect problems with the > message queue. > > So, what would an ideal LC script be for this, with both desktop and mobile > platforms in mind? > > Thank you. > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Thu Feb 21 23:14:01 2013 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 04:14:01 +0000 Subject: can't get pixel density for an iPhone (Retina-4 inch) in the simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C305C15-6408-41D8-BFEB-FD956C86C9C5@unimelb.edu.au> Actually - I can't get my app to run with iPhone simulator 6.0 (doesn't even load the app) or iPhone simulator 6.1 (app shows splash screen and quits) as the test target now. Exactly what combination of iOS SDKs, test target and simulator setting do I need to get my app to run in a 4 inch simulator? Someone must have already got this to work. Terry... On 22/02/2013, at 02:29 PM, Terry Judd wrote: I'm running LC 5.5.4 with Xcode 4.6 and I'm trying to get my app to display correctly in the simulator (seems to be 6.0) Works fine for iPhone and iPhone (Retina 3.5-inch) but when I switch to iPhone (Retina 4-inch) both mobilePixelDensity return 1 and my resolution specific code fails. iPhoneDeviceResolution() returns the correct values and I guess I can work backwards from there but I'm guessing the first 2 functions should work. Has anyone else seen this? Any advice? Terry... Dr Terry Judd Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Eduction Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne Dr Terry Judd Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Eduction Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne From drdada at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 00:07:12 2013 From: drdada at gmail.com (Jonathan Cooper) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:07:12 +1100 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day Message-ID: I put in 1 vote for Sydney. :-) Cheers, Jonathan Cooper http://goo.gl/maps/3mXEn http://doctordada.com On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:59 AM, wrote: > From: Monte Goulding > ... > On 22/02/2013, at 5:20 AM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: > > > I would LOVE to see a LiveCode conference in either AU or NZ. > >... > > > > Should we consider such a conference? > > > > Auckland or Wellington would be my first choices, but Sydney, Brisbane > or Melbourne would be great too (I haven't yet been to AU, but my visits to > NZ have been wonderful). > > What.. not Tas? ;-) > > My suggestion would be either Melbourne or Sydney to capture larger > concentrations of users. From what I've seen we are all fairly widely > dispersed down here. There's at least 2 LiveCoders at Melbourne Uni though > which makes me wonder if we could arrange some use of their facilities. > > What I really would like is some way (and this could be international) for > people to pin themselves on a map so we could see who's where and in what > numbers. I imagine there's some web app for that??? > > Cheers > > -- > Monte Goulding > From jimschaubeck at yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 00:20:52 2013 From: jimschaubeck at yahoo.com (Jim Schaubeck) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:20:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: I'm in Message-ID: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> $499.00 tonight...I wish the project luck! ? ______________________________________________________________________________________________ ??jim schaubeck?????????????????????????????????????? jimschaubeck at yahoo.com/?714.321.4499 From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Fri Feb 22 00:21:15 2013 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:21:15 +0000 Subject: can't get pixel density for an iPhone (Retina-4 inch) in the simulator In-Reply-To: <6C305C15-6408-41D8-BFEB-FD956C86C9C5@unimelb.edu.au> References: <6C305C15-6408-41D8-BFEB-FD956C86C9C5@unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: My bad I think! I forgot to update a couple of externals to the 5.54 compliant versions. Seems to be working in the simulator (for) now. Terry... On 22/02/2013, at 03:14 PM, Terry Judd wrote: Actually - I can't get my app to run with iPhone simulator 6.0 (doesn't even load the app) or iPhone simulator 6.1 (app shows splash screen and quits) as the test target now. Exactly what combination of iOS SDKs, test target and simulator setting do I need to get my app to run in a 4 inch simulator? Someone must have already got this to work. Terry... On 22/02/2013, at 02:29 PM, Terry Judd wrote: I'm running LC 5.5.4 with Xcode 4.6 and I'm trying to get my app to display correctly in the simulator (seems to be 6.0) Works fine for iPhone and iPhone (Retina 3.5-inch) but when I switch to iPhone (Retina 4-inch) both mobilePixelDensity return 1 and my resolution specific code fails. iPhoneDeviceResolution() returns the correct values and I guess I can work backwards from there but I'm guessing the first 2 functions should work. Has anyone else seen this? Any advice? Terry... Dr Terry Judd Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Eduction Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne Dr Terry Judd Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Eduction Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne Dr Terry Judd Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Eduction Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 22 00:25:01 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 00:25:01 -0500 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> A ?315 just showed up, I guess that was you! On Feb 22, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Jim Schaubeck wrote: > $499.00 tonight...I wish the project luck! From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 22 04:17:15 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 03:17:15 -0600 Subject: [OT] LeVar Burton just won the 'If I had Glass' competition Message-ID: <286p7qy75bxudyovs93091k1.1361524635263@email.android.com> I'm jealous: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/androidcentral/~3/A5c6Cw0G4eE/story01.htm Ladies and gentlemen, LeVar Burton just won the Internet. (We've lost track how many times now.) The "Roots," "Reading Rainbow" and "Star Trek: The Next Generation" actor and host -- and basically all-around nerd badass -- just threw his name into the running for the Google Glass Explorer program, which gets the eye-glass mounted wearable computer into the hands of a few (thousand) lucky nerds and developers. This week, Google began offering another shot at scoring units by telling what you'd do if you "had glass." ?Burton this morning chimed in with: #ifihadglass It would be a downgrade. -Geordi La Forge ? LeVar Burton (@levarburton) February 21, 2013? From dave at businessplaninsight.com Fri Feb 22 07:15:41 2013 From: dave at businessplaninsight.com (Dave Kilroy2) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 04:15:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: loki down? all my websites and emails are down... Message-ID: <1361535341764-4660907.post@n4.nabble.com> Anyone else experiencing problems with loki? I contacted support but I guess that if others let them know that they also were experiencing problems then that wouldn't be too bad... Dave -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/loki-down-all-my-websites-and-emails-are-down-tp4660907.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dwilliams at runrev.com Fri Feb 22 07:23:39 2013 From: dwilliams at runrev.com (dwilliams at runrev.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 06:23:39 -0600 Subject: loki down? all my websites and emails are down... In-Reply-To: <1361535341764-4660907.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1361535341764-4660907.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20130222062339.11975vxky2gmafks@var.on-rev.com> Hello Dave, We experienced an issue just now which caused some disruption on the server. The issue itself has been resolved, but there is some residual high load which we're working to bring down now. The server should be operating normally within the next 20 minutes. -David Quoting Dave Kilroy2 : > Anyone else experiencing problems with loki? I contacted support but I guess > that if others let them know that they also were experiencing problems then > that wouldn't be too bad... > > Dave > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/loki-down-all-my-websites-and-emails-are-down-tp4660907.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From dave at businessplaninsight.com Fri Feb 22 07:37:57 2013 From: dave at businessplaninsight.com (Dave Kilroy2) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 04:37:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: loki down? all my websites and emails are down... In-Reply-To: <20130222062339.11975vxky2gmafks@var.on-rev.com> References: <1361535341764-4660907.post@n4.nabble.com> <20130222062339.11975vxky2gmafks@var.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <1361536677888-4660909.post@n4.nabble.com> thanks David :) -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/loki-down-all-my-websites-and-emails-are-down-tp4660907p4660909.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Feb 22 09:23:12 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:23:12 +0100 Subject: To customers of Economy-x-Talk In-Reply-To: <50F7E804.7050901@gmail.com> References: <50F7E804.7050901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51277F50.9090401@economy-x-talk.com> Hi everyone, As you know, we had a server crash last month, which was quite harmful. It appeared to be impossible to recover the data and we had to rely on secondary backups. I'd like to inform you about the current situation with an e-mail to the LiveCode mailing list, because most customers who were affected by the crash are also on this list. Web hosting We have recovered some of the data of our web hosting customers and helped everybody who responded to our e-mails to get their websites back on-line. If your website is still off-line, it is only because you didn't respond to our e-mails (check your spam box). You should contact us as soon as possible and we'll try to get your web site up and running again. Private downloads section We received a couple of hundred donations for our LiveCode downloads, available in the private section of the website. The crash destroyed all spenders' accounts, including their passwords. We have re-built the database and each spender has been contacted with a new user name and password. You should now be able to visit our website at http://qery.us/353 and log in with your new credentials. If you didn't receive a new password, let us know and we'll fix that. Other projects We are (almost) completely back to normal and are working on all custom software projects normally again. I believe that all clients have been contacted by now. If not, it means that I missed your e-mail or it was erased by the crash and you might want to contact us to ask about the progress of your e-mail. This is my last e-mail on this topic. I hope we can leave this behind us now and get back to business as usual. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Feb 22 09:28:47 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:28:47 +0100 Subject: A way to help open-source LiveCode In-Reply-To: <51127940.7020007@economy-x-talk.com> References: <51127940.7020007@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <5127809F.8050601@economy-x-talk.com> Hi, We're almost at 100 euro extra donations for the Kickstarter project. The offer still stands: 50% of the net revenues of all Installer Maker sales during February is for the open-source initiative. > The LiveCode open-source initiative is a great idea. I pledged but I > was thinking I could pledge more. That's why I'd like to announce that > I'll use 50% of all net revenues (= after sales tax) of Installer > Maker to back the open-source edition of LiveCode on Kickstarter, > provided that the initiative is successful. > > You can find more info about Installer Maker for LiveCode at > http://qery.us/34e > > I'll make the additional pledge on 28th February. (28th should probably be 27th, in the evening). -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. From cmsheffield at icloud.com Fri Feb 22 10:07:03 2013 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 08:07:03 -0700 Subject: iOS push notification issue when submitting app Message-ID: <9C542740-E5A5-478C-B2E1-E57AF6AD5739@icloud.com> This came up a couple weeks back I believe. I can't remember who posted about it. Was the issue ever resolved? I went to submit an app update for One Minute Reader today and got this response back from Apple: Missing Push Notification Entitlement - Your app appears to include API used to register with the Apple Push Notification service, but the app signature's entitlements do not include the "aps-environment" entitlement. If your app uses the Apple Push Notification service, make sure your App ID is enabled for Push Notification in the Provisioning Portal, and resubmit after signing your app with a Distribution provisioning profile that includes the "aps-environment" entitlement. See "Provisioning and Development" in the Local and Push Notification Programming Guide for more information. If your app does not use the Apple Push Notification service, no action is required. You may remove the API from future submissions to stop this warning. If you use a third-party framework, you may need to contact the developer for information on removing the API. It's not a big deal, and won't stop the review process, but I'm wondering why this happened. I was playing with push notifications a few weeks ago, but we decided not to use them this go 'round. So I deselected the option in the standalone settings and I revoked the cert in Apple's provisioning portal, thinking that was all I needed to do, but I still ended up with this problem. Anyone know what I need to do to fix it for when we submit another update? Thanks, Chris -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally, Inc. www.readnaturally.com From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 22 11:29:49 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:29:49 -0500 Subject: recent press Message-ID: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> http://prmac.com/release-id-54822.htm http://news.iphoneworld.ca/inews/LiveCode+Next+Generation+Kickstarter+Project+Passes+50%25+Funded http://zatungames.com/livecode-next-generation-kickstarter-project-passes-50-funded/ Also, in an Apple Alumni LinkedIn group I'm in I started a discussion about LiveCode, and David Leffler posted an "it's about time" comment. I'm taking that to mean that it's about time that there was such a tool for people to use. David was the manager in charge of the HyperCard QA team. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 12:59:36 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:59:36 +0200 Subject: loki down? all my websites and emails are down... In-Reply-To: <20130222062339.11975vxky2gmafks@var.on-rev.com> References: <1361535341764-4660907.post@n4.nabble.com> <20130222062339.11975vxky2gmafks@var.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <5127B208.10708@gmail.com> > Hello Dave, > > We experienced an issue just now which caused some disruption on the > server. The issue itself has been resolved, but there is some residual > high load which we're working to bring down now. The server should be > operating normally within the next 20 minutes. > > -David > Why do I dislike the word "issue" so much? Might be because it is semantically fairly empty, and is often used as a way of avoiding explaining what the real problem actually is. Richmond. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 22 13:01:38 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: recent press References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> Message-ID: Colin Holgate writes: > Also, in an Apple Alumni LinkedIn group I'm in I started a discussion about LiveCode, and David Leffler > posted an "it's about time" comment. I'm taking that to mean that it's about time that there was such a tool > for people to use. David was the manager in charge of the HyperCard QA team. David got a messsage through me as well. I reached out to the HC team, the Hypercard IIgs team, and piped to other managers through Ron Lichty's extensive contact list. Larry Tesler's on board. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 13:03:46 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:03:46 +0200 Subject: Bumping one's pledge up? Message-ID: <5127B302.9040603@gmail.com> Yup: mean old Richmond wants to bump his pledge up, bit cannot work out how to do that. Help me, Please! Richmond. From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Fri Feb 22 13:20:23 2013 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:20:23 +0100 Subject: Bumping one's pledge up? In-Reply-To: <5127B302.9040603@gmail.com> References: <5127B302.9040603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6409F944-7622-45A9-ADA2-400D1C741C29@m-r-d.de> Richmond, log into your kickstarter account. After login you see a ME at the top left of the page. Under ME you see "my backed projects". Select the LiveCode Project. Now you should see a big blue button labled "manage my pledge". Press it and you should be able to bump up? Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- Am 22.02.2013 um 19:03 schrieb Richmond : > Yup: mean old Richmond wants to bump his pledge up, > bit cannot work out how to do that. > > Help me, Please! > > Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Fri Feb 22 13:23:07 2013 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:23:07 +0100 Subject: Bumping one's pledge up? In-Reply-To: <6409F944-7622-45A9-ADA2-400D1C741C29@m-r-d.de> References: <5127B302.9040603@gmail.com> <6409F944-7622-45A9-ADA2-400D1C741C29@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <2B6782D5-90D5-491F-BC0B-BF4FB92E85F1@m-r-d.de> Ah, the button is labled "manage YOUR pledge". ;) Matthias Am 22.02.2013 um 19:20 schrieb Matthias Rebbe : > Richmond, > > log into your kickstarter account. > After login you see a ME at the top left of the page. > Under ME you see "my backed projects". > Select the LiveCode Project. > Now you should see a big blue button labled "manage my pledge". > Press it and you should be able to bump up? > > Regards, > > Matthias > > -- > Matthias Rebbe > matthias (at) rebbe.tk > Tel +49.5741.310000 > Tel +49.160.5504462 > -- > > > > Am 22.02.2013 um 19:03 schrieb Richmond : > >> Yup: mean old Richmond wants to bump his pledge up, >> bit cannot work out how to do that. >> >> Help me, Please! >> >> Richmond. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From shawnlivecode at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 13:27:01 2013 From: shawnlivecode at gmail.com (Shawn Blc) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:27:01 -0600 Subject: Bumping one's pledge up? In-Reply-To: <2B6782D5-90D5-491F-BC0B-BF4FB92E85F1@m-r-d.de> References: <5127B302.9040603@gmail.com> <6409F944-7622-45A9-ADA2-400D1C741C29@m-r-d.de> <2B6782D5-90D5-491F-BC0B-BF4FB92E85F1@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: Here's what the "Manage your pledge" button looks like: http://www.4freeimagehost.com/show.php?i=9fbac1b70396.png On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Matthias Rebbe < matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote: > > Ah, > > the button is labled "manage YOUR pledge". ;) > > Matthias > > Am 22.02.2013 um 19:20 schrieb Matthias Rebbe < > matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de>: > > > Richmond, > > > > log into your kickstarter account. > > After login you see a ME at the top left of the page. > > Under ME you see "my backed projects". > > Select the LiveCode Project. > > Now you should see a big blue button labled "manage my pledge". > > Press it and you should be able to bump up? > > > > Regards, > > > > Matthias > > > > -- > > Matthias Rebbe > > matthias (at) rebbe.tk > > Tel +49.5741.310000 > > Tel +49.160.5504462 > > -- > > > > > > > > Am 22.02.2013 um 19:03 schrieb Richmond : > > > >> Yup: mean old Richmond wants to bump his pledge up, > >> bit cannot work out how to do that. > >> > >> Help me, Please! > >> > >> Richmond. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From nigels at amglighthouse.co.za Fri Feb 22 13:28:01 2013 From: nigels at amglighthouse.co.za (Nigel Soden) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:28:01 +0200 Subject: MMS Streaming Message-ID: <6BB3CDFF-F789-4577-9A6C-2EA564B56627@amglighthouse.co.za> Greeting and Salutations to O Wise Ones Is it possible to do MMS streaming using LC. From what i have found on the the subject it don't look too promising. From shawnlivecode at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 13:43:01 2013 From: shawnlivecode at gmail.com (Shawn Blc) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:43:01 -0600 Subject: Bumping one's pledge up? In-Reply-To: References: <5127B302.9040603@gmail.com> <6409F944-7622-45A9-ADA2-400D1C741C29@m-r-d.de> <2B6782D5-90D5-491F-BC0B-BF4FB92E85F1@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: Well, that other image service didn't work out to well (not loading image). Let's try this other service. See image below: http://postimage.org/image/elrzl1w9l/ Notice the "manage your pledge" button. On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Shawn Blc wrote: > Here's what the "Manage your pledge" button looks like: > http://www.4freeimagehost.com/show.php?i=9fbac1b70396.png > > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Matthias Rebbe < > matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote: > >> >> Ah, >> >> the button is labled "manage YOUR pledge". ;) >> >> Matthias >> >> Am 22.02.2013 um 19:20 schrieb Matthias Rebbe < >> matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de>: >> >> > Richmond, >> > >> > log into your kickstarter account. >> > After login you see a ME at the top left of the page. >> > Under ME you see "my backed projects". >> > Select the LiveCode Project. >> > Now you should see a big blue button labled "manage my pledge". >> > Press it and you should be able to bump up? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Matthias >> > >> > -- >> > Matthias Rebbe >> > matthias (at) rebbe.tk >> > Tel +49.5741.310000 >> > Tel +49.160.5504462 >> > -- >> > >> > >> > >> > Am 22.02.2013 um 19:03 schrieb Richmond : >> > >> >> Yup: mean old Richmond wants to bump his pledge up, >> >> bit cannot work out how to do that. >> >> >> >> Help me, Please! >> >> >> >> Richmond. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> use-livecode mailing list >> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-livecode mailing list >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > From jim at d-film.com Fri Feb 22 13:51:18 2013 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:51:18 -0500 Subject: Bumping one's pledge up? In-Reply-To: References: <5127B302.9040603@gmail.com> <6409F944-7622-45A9-ADA2-400D1C741C29@m-r-d.de> <2B6782D5-90D5-491F-BC0B-BF4FB92E85F1@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: I'm just a hobbyist but I bumped up to the license-for-life level to help make it happen. Will be interesting explaining that to the wife when I have to actually pay... Jim From heather at runrev.com Fri Feb 22 14:01:19 2013 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:01:19 +0000 Subject: Bumping one's pledge up? In-Reply-To: References: <5127B302.9040603@gmail.com> <6409F944-7622-45A9-ADA2-400D1C741C29@m-r-d.de> <2B6782D5-90D5-491F-BC0B-BF4FB92E85F1@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <6005C706-1D61-403A-862A-07C9E39AA091@runrev.com> Just in case you're still not sure Richmond? http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4072/l/99181-how-to-pledge :) Regards, Heather On 22 Feb 2013, at 18:43, Shawn Blc wrote: > Well, that other image service didn't work out to well (not loading image). > Let's try this other service. See image below: > http://postimage.org/image/elrzl1w9l/ > > Notice the "manage your pledge" button. > > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Shawn Blc wrote: > >> Here's what the "Manage your pledge" button looks like: >> http://www.4freeimagehost.com/show.php?i=9fbac1b70396.png >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Matthias Rebbe < >> matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote: >> >>> >>> Ah, >>> >>> the button is labled "manage YOUR pledge". ;) >>> >>> Matthias >>> >>> Am 22.02.2013 um 19:20 schrieb Matthias Rebbe < >>> matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de>: >>> >>>> Richmond, >>>> >>>> log into your kickstarter account. >>>> After login you see a ME at the top left of the page. >>>> Under ME you see "my backed projects". >>>> Select the LiveCode Project. >>>> Now you should see a big blue button labled "manage my pledge". >>>> Press it and you should be able to bump up? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Matthias >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Matthias Rebbe >>>> matthias (at) rebbe.tk >>>> Tel +49.5741.310000 >>>> Tel +49.160.5504462 >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 22.02.2013 um 19:03 schrieb Richmond : >>>> >>>>> Yup: mean old Richmond wants to bump his pledge up, >>>>> bit cannot work out how to do that. >>>>> >>>>> Help me, Please! >>>>> >>>>> Richmond. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.runrev.com/ Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 14:32:13 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:32:13 +0200 Subject: Bumping one's pledge up? In-Reply-To: <6409F944-7622-45A9-ADA2-400D1C741C29@m-r-d.de> References: <5127B302.9040603@gmail.com> <6409F944-7622-45A9-ADA2-400D1C741C29@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <5127C7BD.7020207@gmail.com> > Richmond, > > log into your kickstarter account. > After login you see a ME at the top left of the page. > Under ME you see "my backed projects". > Select the LiveCode Project. > Now you should see a big blue button labled "manage my pledge". > Press it and you should be able to bump up? > > Regards, > > Matthias > > Thanks, Matthias: I have bumped up my pledge! C'mon, you-all; bump yourn up! Richmond. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 22 14:41:19 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: OT: PS4 - best product review ever? Message-ID: http://gameological.com/2013/02/more-more-morehow-do-you-like-it/ "At Wednesday night?s ?unveiling? of the PlayStation 4 in New York, Sony did not show us the PlayStation 4, which makes this the most postmodern unveiling I?ve ever attended. However, the various Sony honchos who took the stage at the Manhattan Center auditorium did describe the heart of the machine. It?s ?the gamer,? or maybe it?s the ?consumer??same thing, apparently. The word ?social? was used as a noun at many points, as it, too, lies at the core of the PlayStation 4. And then there?s the ?supercharged PC architecture.? You want gigabytes? Brother, you can have all the gigabytes you need." "More polygons and more gigabytes because surely this time, they will lead to the promised land of creative expression." -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 22 15:40:41 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 07:40:41 +1100 Subject: get type from the text of image Message-ID: <134E41C3-D852-4DA1-9050-CD6C80117E7F@sweattechnologies.com> Hi Has anyone got a handler that works out the image type from the text of the image. I want to save the text of an image but I want to do so with the correct extension. I don't want to use the export command because of the risk of some quality loss from the image. This is for the VCS stuff I'm working on so it would need to have some open source license. Cheers Monte -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 22 16:19:38 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:19:38 +1100 Subject: get type from the text of image In-Reply-To: <134E41C3-D852-4DA1-9050-CD6C80117E7F@sweattechnologies.com> References: <134E41C3-D852-4DA1-9050-CD6C80117E7F@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: OK.. came up with the following based on a StackOverflow answer on doing this in C. Anyone have anything better?: function imageDataExtension pData if char 1 to 4 of pData is "GIF8" then return "gif" else if byteToNum(char 1 of pData) is 255 and byteToNum(char 2 of pData) is 216 then return "jpg" else if byteToNum(char 1 of pData) is 137 and byteToNum(char 2 of pData) is 80 and \ byteToNum(char 1 of pData) is 78 and byteToNum(char 2 of pData) is 71 then return "png" else if byteToNum(char 1 of pData) is 46 and byteToNum(char 2 of pData) is 77 then return "bmp" else return "image" end if end imageDataExtension On 23/02/2013, at 7:40 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Hi > > Has anyone got a handler that works out the image type from the text of the image. I want to save the text of an image but I want to do so with the correct extension. I don't want to use the export command because of the risk of some quality loss from the image. > > This is for the VCS stuff I'm working on so it would need to have some open source license. > > Cheers > > Monte > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Feb 22 16:22:13 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:22:13 -0800 Subject: get type from the text of image In-Reply-To: <134E41C3-D852-4DA1-9050-CD6C80117E7F@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Hi Monte: You can probably use the paintCompression property to check the image type. It might also help to know that PNG is essentially lossless -- you shouldn't lose any image data using this format. You may find that dealing with the gamma of PNG images is something of a black art and can cause subtle changes in how an image is displayed. But this is true for the many apps that save/display PNGs, as well as LC, so it may not be an issue. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/22/13 12:40 PM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: >Hi > >Has anyone got a handler that works out the image type from the text of >the image. I want to save the text of an image but I want to do so with >the correct extension. I don't want to use the export command because of >the risk of some quality loss from the image. > >This is for the VCS stuff I'm working on so it would need to have some >open source license. > >Cheers > >Monte >-- >Monte Goulding > >M E R Goulding - software development services >mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 22 16:37:01 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:37:01 +1100 Subject: get type from the text of image In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5886C79F-685F-4E1E-AF5C-0C28795F013E@sweattechnologies.com> Ah... the paintCompression might be sufficient to use as an extension. It's not perfect but it will probably do. Basically if someone imported a JPG I didn't think it would be suitable for the VCS to export/import as png. If you say it would be ok then I'll run with that. What I'm doing is each object will be represented by a folder and while most properties will be exported as JSON I thought there are some properties that would be better as separate files. The script is the prime example but an image is another one. Also I'm considering the htmlText of a field may be worthwhile as a separate property although that could get quite complicated for unshared text in shared groups so might be best avoided. On 23/02/2013, at 8:22 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > You can probably use the paintCompression property to check the image > type. It might also help to know that PNG is essentially lossless -- you > shouldn't lose any image data using this format. You may find that > dealing with the gamma of PNG images is something of a black art and can > cause subtle changes in how an image is displayed. But this is true for > the many apps that save/display PNGs, as well as LC, so it may not be an > issue. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 22 17:05:44 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 09:05:44 +1100 Subject: get type from the text of image In-Reply-To: <5886C79F-685F-4E1E-AF5C-0C28795F013E@sweattechnologies.com> References: <5886C79F-685F-4E1E-AF5C-0C28795F013E@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: It turns out the paintCompression is yet another property not in the properties array (YAPNITPA)... On 23/02/2013, at 8:37 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Ah... the paintCompression might be sufficient to use as an extension. It's not perfect but it will probably do. > > Basically if someone imported a JPG I didn't think it would be suitable for the VCS to export/import as png. If you say it would be ok then I'll run with that. > > What I'm doing is each object will be represented by a folder and while most properties will be exported as JSON I thought there are some properties that would be better as separate files. The script is the prime example but an image is another one. Also I'm considering the htmlText of a field may be worthwhile as a separate property although that could get quite complicated for unshared text in shared groups so might be best avoided. > > > On 23/02/2013, at 8:22 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> You can probably use the paintCompression property to check the image >> type. It might also help to know that PNG is essentially lossless -- you >> shouldn't lose any image data using this format. You may find that >> dealing with the gamma of PNG images is something of a black art and can >> cause subtle changes in how an image is displayed. But this is true for >> the many apps that save/display PNGs, as well as LC, so it may not be an >> issue. > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Feb 22 17:08:44 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:08:44 -0800 Subject: get type from the text of image In-Reply-To: <5886C79F-685F-4E1E-AF5C-0C28795F013E@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Not sure about your setup, but I imagine you could store binary image data so you don't have to mess with image format all. The one complication is if you allow folks to scale an image in whatever you're doing. You'll need to save the reformatted image data, so recompressing JPEG shouldn't be an issue as long as you start with "best" resizeQuality. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/22/13 1:37 PM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: >Ah... the paintCompression might be sufficient to use as an extension. >It's not perfect but it will probably do. > >Basically if someone imported a JPG I didn't think it would be suitable >for the VCS to export/import as png. If you say it would be ok then I'll >run with that. > >What I'm doing is each object will be represented by a folder and while >most properties will be exported as JSON I thought there are some >properties that would be better as separate files. The script is the >prime example but an image is another one. Also I'm considering the >htmlText of a field may be worthwhile as a separate property although >that could get quite complicated for unshared text in shared groups so >might be best avoided. > > >On 23/02/2013, at 8:22 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> You can probably use the paintCompression property to check the image >> type. It might also help to know that PNG is essentially lossless -- >>you >> shouldn't lose any image data using this format. You may find that >> dealing with the gamma of PNG images is something of a black art and can >> cause subtle changes in how an image is displayed. But this is true for >> the many apps that save/display PNGs, as well as LC, so it may not be an >> issue. > >-- >Monte Goulding > >M E R Goulding - software development services >mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 22 17:14:17 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 09:14:17 +1100 Subject: get type from the text of image In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42336182-AF25-4314-A04C-3F67FCF293E8@sweattechnologies.com> On 23/02/2013, at 9:08 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Not sure about your setup, but I imagine you could store binary image data > so you don't have to mess with image format all. The one complication is > if you allow folks to scale an image in whatever you're doing. You'll > need to save the reformatted image data, so recompressing JPEG shouldn't > be an issue as long as you start with "best" resizeQuality. This is for a stackFile export/import script for VCS support. I was exporting imageData ad alphaData but then I realised that the text of the image covers both so why not just use that. All the other properties are stored too so it's up to the user to set the resizeQuality which as it turns out is YANPNITPA !!! -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 22 17:55:02 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:55:02 -0500 Subject: $0! Message-ID: Don't know how they did it, but someone just pledged $0. Every bit helps. Except that bit, it didn't help too much. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 22 17:57:46 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 09:57:46 +1100 Subject: $0! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lol... how do you know? Maybe someone dropped their pledge by they same amount as someone added their pledge? On 23/02/2013, at 9:55 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Don't know how they did it, but someone just pledged $0. Every bit helps. Except that bit, it didn't help too much. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Fri Feb 22 18:03:11 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:03:11 -0500 Subject: $0! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1BE2E02A-3FB2-4529-B162-C5454E4C7E3A@verizon.net> No reason to throw sound logic into the debate! On Feb 22, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Lol... how do you know? Maybe someone dropped their pledge by they same amount as someone added their pledge? From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri Feb 22 18:10:48 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:10:48 -0500 Subject: $0! In-Reply-To: <1BE2E02A-3FB2-4529-B162-C5454E4C7E3A@verizon.net> References: <1BE2E02A-3FB2-4529-B162-C5454E4C7E3A@verizon.net> Message-ID: <7E3D538C-B96C-4E7A-A6FE-F5FA2BA17E7B@mac.com> Haa?. Don't you just hate sound logic sometimes?? On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > No reason to throw sound logic into the debate! > > > On Feb 22, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> Lol... how do you know? Maybe someone dropped their pledge by they same amount as someone added their pledge? From niconiko at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 18:28:17 2013 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:28:17 +0900 Subject: timing mouseDown In-Reply-To: <8CFDEC6B6DD34E7-1B14-483D2@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> References: <2FCBAD3F-29C4-403B-9D13-00DE64E71AD7@gmail.com> <8CFDEC6B6DD34E7-1B14-483D2@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the solutions. -- Nicolas Cueto From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Fri Feb 22 19:18:58 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:18:58 -0800 Subject: get type from the text of image In-Reply-To: References: <5886C79F-685F-4E1E-AF5C-0C28795F013E@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: On 2013-02-22, at 2:05 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > It turns out the paintCompression is yet another property not in the properties array (YAPNITPA)... Monte, If you are using the properties of an object stored in an array for rebuilding a stack in your VCS, you probably should be aware of the bug I found recently, it affects re-storing the patterns of a control when re-storing all of the properties from an array. More info; http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10683 Mark assures me the issue is fixed for the next release, but it may throw a spanner in the works if you come across the same issue for your tests with the current LC builds, i.e. 5.5.4 or 6.0.0-dp4 so I just thought I'd mention it in case this saves you some hassle. Paul From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 22 19:23:22 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:23:22 +1100 Subject: get type from the text of image In-Reply-To: References: <5886C79F-685F-4E1E-AF5C-0C28795F013E@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Thanks Paul For readability of the properties file I have moved the colors and patterns to their named individual counterparts rather than the list you get in the properties array. Otherwise in a text diff it's unclear exactly which property changed. So I don't think my code will have this issue but thanks for the heads up. Cheers Monte On 23/02/2013, at 11:18 AM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > If you are using the properties of an object stored in an array for rebuilding a stack in your VCS, you probably should be aware of the bug I found recently, it affects re-storing the patterns of a control when re-storing all of the properties from an array. More info; http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10683 > > Mark assures me the issue is fixed for the next release, but it may throw a spanner in the works if you come across the same issue for your tests with the current LC builds, i.e. 5.5.4 or 6.0.0-dp4 so I just thought I'd mention it in case this saves you some hassle. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 22 20:11:15 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:11:15 -0800 Subject: $0! In-Reply-To: <7E3D538C-B96C-4E7A-A6FE-F5FA2BA17E7B@mac.com> References: <1BE2E02A-3FB2-4529-B162-C5454E4C7E3A@verizon.net> <7E3D538C-B96C-4E7A-A6FE-F5FA2BA17E7B@mac.com> Message-ID: <112853530468.20130222171115@ahsoftware.net> Tom- Friday, February 22, 2013, 3:10:48 PM, you wrote: > Haa . Don't you just hate sound logic sometimes?? I also hate the other kind. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From bonnmike at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 20:17:22 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:17:22 -0700 Subject: $0! In-Reply-To: <112853530468.20130222171115@ahsoftware.net> References: <1BE2E02A-3FB2-4529-B162-C5454E4C7E3A@verizon.net> <7E3D538C-B96C-4E7A-A6FE-F5FA2BA17E7B@mac.com> <112853530468.20130222171115@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Silent? On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Tom- > > Friday, February 22, 2013, 3:10:48 PM, you wrote: > > > Haa . Don't you just hate sound logic sometimes?? > > I also hate the other kind. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Fri Feb 22 20:42:50 2013 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:42:50 -0800 Subject: $0! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F4DBA481DA49DAA530BA37CB35B142@PAULD> > From: Colin Holgate > > Don't know how they did it, but someone just pledged $0. > Every bit helps. Except that bit, it didn't help too much. I wonder if anyone's tried pledging a negative amount. You never know how the software was written. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Feb 22 21:19:31 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:19:31 +1100 Subject: Richards talk seems to have gone down well Message-ID: @jonobacon: Watching @FourthWorldSys speak about LiveCode at Ubucon. Looks interesting. :-) #ubuntu -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From simplsol at aol.com Fri Feb 22 21:21:22 2013 From: simplsol at aol.com (Paul Looney) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:21:22 -0800 Subject: Richards talk seems to have gone down well In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F19CACC-6492-4002-AB54-4D1A22D1D3B9@aol.com> Congratulations and "good work", Richard. Paul Looney On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > @jonobacon: Watching @FourthWorldSys speak about LiveCode at Ubucon. Looks interesting. :-) #ubuntu > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Fri Feb 22 21:34:30 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:34:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bumping one's pledge up? In-Reply-To: References: <5127B302.9040603@gmail.com> <6409F944-7622-45A9-ADA2-400D1C741C29@m-r-d.de> <2B6782D5-90D5-491F-BC0B-BF4FB92E85F1@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <1361586870089-4660946.post@n4.nabble.com> Jim Kanter wrote > I'm just a hobbyist but I bumped up to the license-for-life level to > help make it happen. Impressive. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Bumping-one-s-pledge-up-tp4660917p4660946.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Fri Feb 22 21:48:43 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:48:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Just_topped_=C2=A3200,000?= Message-ID: <1361587723997-4660947.post@n4.nabble.com> Whooowhooo!! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Just-topped-200-000-tp4660947.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Feb 22 22:00:58 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:00:58 -0800 Subject: $0! In-Reply-To: References: <1BE2E02A-3FB2-4529-B162-C5454E4C7E3A@verizon.net> <7E3D538C-B96C-4E7A-A6FE-F5FA2BA17E7B@mac.com> <112853530468.20130222171115@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <196860113046.20130222190058@ahsoftware.net> Mike- Friday, February 22, 2013, 5:17:22 PM, you wrote: > Silent? but deadly. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Fri Feb 22 22:10:07 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:10:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Just_topped_=C2=A3200,000?= In-Reply-To: <1361587723997-4660947.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1361587723997-4660947.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1361589007423-4660949.post@n4.nabble.com> There was a sudden and dramatic increase in funding on Feb 20. Interesting.... http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode/#chart-daily -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Just-topped-200-000-tp4660947p4660949.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Fri Feb 22 22:16:11 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:16:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> Colin Holgate-2 wrote > A ?315 just showed up, I guess that was you! Where do you see individual donations? -- M -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/I-m-in-tp4660902p4660950.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Feb 22 22:49:27 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:49:27 -0600 Subject: Transparent hilitecolor Message-ID: <51283C47.1060502@hyperactivesw.com> I have a transparent list field over an image. I would like to track selections using the convenience of the hilitedline but I don't want any color to actually show, since it obscures the image behind it. Does anyone know a trick to set a transparent hilitepattern or hilitecolor? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Fri Feb 22 23:12:36 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:12:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: 50%! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1361592756149-4660952.post@n4.nabble.com> mwieder wrote > 50%! > 57% now, and #6 on Kicktraq -- M -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/50-tp4660877p4660952.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Feb 22 23:44:11 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:44:11 -0800 Subject: Transparent hilitecolor In-Reply-To: <51283C47.1060502@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Not sure exactly what effect you're looking for, but if your field has black text, you could set the hiliteColor of the field to white and set the ink effect of the field to multiply. This will cause the hilite to appear transparent. Please explain again if that's not the effect you want. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/22/13 7:49 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: >I have a transparent list field over an image. I would like to track >selections using the convenience of the hilitedline but I don't want any >color to actually show, since it obscures the image behind it. Does >anyone know a trick to set a transparent hilitepattern or hilitecolor? > >-- >Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 23 00:14:18 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 23:14:18 -0600 Subject: Transparent hilitecolor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5128502A.9060600@hyperactivesw.com> That's it! Thanks Scott, that's perfect. I should have known you'd have the answer. Inks make me stupid. On 2/22/13 10:44 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Not sure exactly what effect you're looking for, but if your field has > black text, you could set the hiliteColor of the field to white and set > the ink effect of the field to multiply. This will cause the hilite to > appear transparent. > > Please explain again if that's not the effect you want. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > > On 2/22/13 7:49 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > >> I have a transparent list field over an image. I would like to track >> selections using the convenience of the hilitedline but I don't want any >> color to actually show, since it obscures the image behind it. Does >> anyone know a trick to set a transparent hilitepattern or hilitecolor? >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat Feb 23 00:23:35 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:23:35 -0800 Subject: Transparent hilitecolor Message-ID: Inks are the only things I get. ?Regex, databases, all the recent CVS talk makes my eyes glaze over and drool start running down my chin. ?And not in a good way. Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: Transparent hilitecolor From: "J. Landman Gay" To: How to use LiveCode CC: That's it! Thanks Scott, that's perfect. I should have known you'd have the answer. Inks make me stupid. On 2/22/13 10:44 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Not sure exactly what effect you're looking for, but if your field has > black text, you could set the hiliteColor of the field to white and set > the ink effect of the field to multiply.? This will cause the hilite to > appear transparent. > > Please explain again if that's not the effect you want. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > > On 2/22/13 7:49 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > >> I have a transparent list field over an image. I would like to track >> selections using the convenience of the hilitedline but I don't want any >> color to actually show, since it obscures the image behind it. Does >> anyone know a trick to set a transparent hilitepattern or hilitecolor? >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay???????? |???? jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software?????????? |???? http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay???????? |???? jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software?????????? |???? http://www.hyperactivesw.com _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sat Feb 23 00:27:34 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:27:34 +1100 Subject: Transparent hilitecolor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 23/02/2013, at 4:23 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Inks are the only things I get. Regex, databases, all the recent CVS talk makes my eyes glaze over and drool start running down my chin. And not in a good way. Lol... I was just thinking... How does Scott know off the top of his head what one of those inks does... I look at the ink pane and wonder what the heck can anyone do with this stuff... -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 23 00:38:01 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 23:38:01 -0600 Subject: Transparent hilitecolor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512855B9.9020905@hyperactivesw.com> We'll still love you even if you do drool. Just don't get any on the monitor. Anyway, we don't have to know all that stuff. All we have to remember is who does know all that stuff. BTW, IMO JSON <> CVS, but IANAL. On 2/22/13 11:23 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Inks are the only things I get. Regex, databases, all the recent CVS talk makes my eyes glaze over and drool start running down my chin. And not in a good way. > > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > -------- Original message -------- > Subject: Re: Transparent hilitecolor > From: "J. Landman Gay" > To: How to use LiveCode > CC: > > That's it! Thanks Scott, that's perfect. I should have known you'd have > the answer. Inks make me stupid. > > > On 2/22/13 10:44 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: >> Not sure exactly what effect you're looking for, but if your field has >> black text, you could set the hiliteColor of the field to white and set >> the ink effect of the field to multiply. This will cause the hilite to >> appear transparent. >> >> Please explain again if that's not the effect you want. >> >> Regards, >> >> Scott Rossi >> Creative Director >> Tactile Media, UX Design >> >> >> >> >> On 2/22/13 7:49 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: >> >>> I have a transparent list field over an image. I would like to track >>> selections using the convenience of the hilitedline but I don't want any >>> color to actually show, since it obscures the image behind it. Does >>> anyone know a trick to set a transparent hilitepattern or hilitecolor? >>> >>> -- >>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 23 00:44:59 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 23:44:59 -0600 Subject: Transparent hilitecolor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5128575B.7030906@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/22/13 11:27 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 23/02/2013, at 4:23 PM, Scott Rossi > wrote: > >> Inks are the only things I get. Regex, databases, all the recent >> CVS talk makes my eyes glaze over and drool start running down my >> chin. And not in a good way. > > Lol... I was just thinking... How does Scott know off the top of his > head what one of those inks does... I look at the ink pane and wonder > what the heck can anyone do with this stuff... He's transparent. Whenever he want to appear visible, he has to set his ink. He does it on the fly, so he has to know which one is which. Me, whenever I need to find an ink, I have to go through the whole entire list, line by line, and see what it does. Then I immediately forget. And even if I pick one, it doesn't look right everywhere, it only looks right on the card I was looking at when I picked it. Which is why it's a godsend we can pick on Scott. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat Feb 23 01:05:14 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:05:14 -0800 Subject: Transparent hilitecolor Message-ID: How do you know I don't go through the list ?too? ?Maybe I'm going through the list right now to make sure what I told Jacque will actually work :-) But some of the inks are the same as in Photoshop so yeah, I know those. I'll wait for you all to explain the hard stuff to me... Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: Transparent hilitecolor From: "J. Landman Gay" To: How to use LiveCode CC: On 2/22/13 11:27 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 23/02/2013, at 4:23 PM, Scott Rossi > wrote: > >> Inks are the only things I get.? Regex, databases, all the recent >> CVS talk makes my eyes glaze over and drool start running down my >> chin.? And not in a good way. > > Lol... I was just thinking... How does Scott know off the top of his > head what one of those inks does... I look at the ink pane and wonder > what the heck can anyone do with this stuff... He's transparent. Whenever he want to appear visible, he has to set his ink. He does it on the fly, so he has to know which one is which. Me, whenever I need to find an ink, I have to go through the whole entire list, line by line, and see what it does. Then I immediately forget. And even if I pick one, it doesn't look right everywhere, it only looks right on the card I was looking at when I picked it. Which is why it's a godsend we can pick on Scott. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay???????? |???? jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software?????????? |???? http://www.hyperactivesw.com _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From alanstenhouse at hotmail.com Sat Feb 23 05:44:25 2013 From: alanstenhouse at hotmail.com (Alan Stenhouse) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:44:25 +0100 Subject: kickstarter for iPhone app Message-ID: Just in case anyone wants to follow the progress of the LiveCode kickstarter project while away from their desk, there is an app for kickstarter available (for the last week or so) at: https://itunes.apple.com/app/id596961532 Hoping we make it over the next days! cheers Alan -- Alan Stenhouse alanstenhouse at hotmail.com Check out our apps on the App Store: BeatSpeak - the multilingual talking metronome; EV-Point - Find your nearest Electric Vehicle Recharge Station. From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 23 07:31:27 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 07:31:27 -0500 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I'm checking the page every few minutes (or more exactly, a LiveCode application is doing that for me). One of the things I have it show me is the change in the total figure. So, each time the total changes I know by how much. On Feb 22, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Mark Smith wrote: >> A ?315 just showed up, I guess that was you! > > Where do you see individual donations? From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sat Feb 23 10:11:44 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 07:11:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1361632304740-4660968.post@n4.nabble.com> Colin Holgate-2 wrote > I'm checking the page every few minutes (or more exactly, a LiveCode > application is doing that for me). One of the things I have it show me is > the change in the total figure. So, each time the total changes I know by > how much. Clever! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/I-m-in-tp4660902p4660968.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 23 10:13:35 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:13:35 -0500 Subject: another article achieved... Message-ID: <281A2AC0-E1F5-470F-B147-5F8E5D9EF346@verizon.net> This one was via a friend, Michael Cohen, he asked Adam Engst to say something in TidBITS. Adam not only did that, but actually wrote a monster article: http://tidbits.com/article/13582 From CFORD at mailbox.sc.edu Sat Feb 23 11:30:57 2013 From: CFORD at mailbox.sc.edu (FORD JR, CURT) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:30:57 +0000 Subject: another article achieved... Message-ID: <4AC93F8FE7AA27449837C912ED6305218A3B54@CAE145EMBP04.ds.sc.edu> Great article. I sent a note about it to MacSurfer and they've linked to it from their Press Release section - hopefully that'll help with visibility. Curt From andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr Sat Feb 23 11:57:32 2013 From: andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Bisseret?=) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:57:32 +0100 Subject: Standalone working on windows not on mac Message-ID: <713F2F0C-633D-4A3F-AD1B-B3AAFC4EB3B3@wanadoo.fr> Bonjour, Mac 10.6.8 ; livecode 5.0.2. As a splash stack I have a simple stack which, on openstack, disappears and then opens another simple main stack. In the development environment all is working well. When I save this splash stack as standalone for Mac (intel) and for Windows : - on Windows it works as expected; the splash stack is vanishing slowly and opens the simple main stack. - with the Mac standalone, the splash screen disappears as expected, but the main stack is not opened :-(( It's the first time I get such an issue. Exactly the same simple splash screen program working with the Windows' standalone not with the Mac' one. The standalone settings is minimal (answer dialog and cursors only (no script libraries, not database support) After a lot of trials I am lost; I can't see what is lacking to the settings of the standalone for mac! Any idea on what I am missing? Thanks a lot in advance Best regards from (snowy) Grenoble Andr? From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Feb 23 13:19:19 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:19:19 -0800 Subject: another article achieved... In-Reply-To: <281A2AC0-E1F5-470F-B147-5F8E5D9EF346@verizon.net> References: <281A2AC0-E1F5-470F-B147-5F8E5D9EF346@verizon.net> Message-ID: <188915214218.20130223101919@ahsoftware.net> Colin- Saturday, February 23, 2013, 7:13:35 AM, you wrote: > This one was via a friend, Michael Cohen, he asked Adam Engst to > say something in TidBITS. Adam not only did that, but actually wrote > a monster article: > http://tidbits.com/article/13582 Good article. Comments added. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From revolution at derbrill.de Sat Feb 23 13:20:15 2013 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 19:20:15 +0100 Subject: Standalone working on windows not on mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I suspect this is a path problem. The stack may be in a location you do not expect. Could you answer the path you are searching on your mac and the do a answer thePathToStack&cr&cr&(there is a stack thePathToStack) for debugging? Best, Malte From andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr Sat Feb 23 13:55:59 2013 From: andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Bisseret?=) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 19:55:59 +0100 Subject: Standalone working on windows not on mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you much Malte for your suggestion. I am going to do that to morrow morning. But could a path problem be possible with the Mac' standalone and neither with the Windows' one (nor in the development environment on Mac) ? Best regards Andr? Le 23 f?vr. 2013 ? 19:20, Malte Brill a ?crit : > I suspect this is a path problem. The stack may be in a location you do not expect. Could you answer the path you are searching on your mac and the do a > > answer thePathToStack&cr&cr&(there is a stack thePathToStack) > > for debugging? > > Best, > > Malte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Sat Feb 23 14:58:50 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:58:50 -0500 Subject: another article achieved... In-Reply-To: <281A2AC0-E1F5-470F-B147-5F8E5D9EF346@verizon.net> References: <281A2AC0-E1F5-470F-B147-5F8E5D9EF346@verizon.net> Message-ID: Very good article! I do have to wonder why however, are there not more articles on Linux and Windows sites? Sure the roots of LiveCode are Apple flavored, but shouldn't the cross platform aspects be promoted beyond the Apple fan-base? Sent from my Pipo M2 On Feb 23, 2013 10:14 AM, "Colin Holgate" wrote: > This one was via a friend, Michael Cohen, he asked Adam Engst to say > something in TidBITS. Adam not only did that, but actually wrote a monster > article: > > http://tidbits.com/article/13582 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 15:15:22 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:15:22 +0200 Subject: another article achieved... In-Reply-To: References: <281A2AC0-E1F5-470F-B147-5F8E5D9EF346@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5129235A.9040204@gmail.com> On 02/23/2013 09:58 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > Very good article! I do have to wonder why however, are there not more > articles on Linux and Windows sites? Sure the roots of LiveCode are Apple > flavored, but shouldn't the cross platform aspects be promoted beyond the > Apple fan-base? As far as I understand Metacard (Livecard's true ancestor) was started as a Windows equivalent to Hypercard, which, very quickly, went cross platform. Interestingly enough I notice on the Wikipedia stub for Metacard it is described as a "GUI Toolkit", a very interesting term I have not encountered before; AND perhaps one that RunRev should be promoting rather than 'programming language' as it makes a lot more sense - certainly it is one I shall use henceforth whenever people ask me about Livecode. This: http://www.scdi.org/languages/metacard/ is interesting in that it uses the phrase "development environment" which also makes a lot more sense than 'programming language'. That does not seem to have been touched since 1997 and bears out what I said above about Metacard being, initially, non-Macintosh. "MetaCard is available for several operating systems including Windows 95/NT, Windows 3.1, Linux, Solaris, Digital UNIX, Irix, HP UNIX and AIX." and if this were true then: "/MetaCard was the language of the month in November 1997/." Why cannot RunRev Livecode be the development environment of the year 2013? Especially if the Open Source initiative works! Actually . . . come to think of things . . . I wonder why RunRev don't contact people such as Vikki Dawson: http://designertoday.com/reviews/review.archive/413/metacard.aspx who wrote so keenly about Metacard way-back-when, an micht dae again? Richmond. From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Sat Feb 23 15:25:42 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:25:42 -0500 Subject: another article achieved... In-Reply-To: <5129235A.9040204@gmail.com> References: <281A2AC0-E1F5-470F-B147-5F8E5D9EF346@verizon.net> <5129235A.9040204@gmail.com> Message-ID: Indeed. All good points. I first discovered, and started working with Metacard when my primary OS at work was SGI Irix. When we switched to Windows NT, it had already become Revolution, so I moved forward with that. It saddened me to see the *nix platforms go away, but there's only so much a small team can do. Therefore, the importance of going open source. I sure hope they make it. Sent from my Pipo M2 On Feb 23, 2013 3:15 PM, "Richmond" wrote: > On 02/23/2013 09:58 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > >> Very good article! I do have to wonder why however, are there not more >> articles on Linux and Windows sites? Sure the roots of LiveCode are Apple >> flavored, but shouldn't the cross platform aspects be promoted beyond the >> Apple fan-base? >> > > As far as I understand Metacard (Livecard's true ancestor) was started as > a Windows > equivalent to Hypercard, which, very quickly, went cross platform. > > Interestingly enough I notice on the Wikipedia stub for Metacard it is > described as a "GUI Toolkit", > a very interesting term I have not encountered before; AND perhaps one > that RunRev should be > promoting rather than 'programming language' as it makes a lot more sense > - certainly it is one > I shall use henceforth whenever people ask me about Livecode. > > This: http://www.scdi.org/languages/**metacard/ is interesting in that it uses the phrase > > "development environment" which also makes a lot more sense than > 'programming language'. > > That does not seem to have been touched since 1997 and bears out what I > said above about > Metacard being, initially, non-Macintosh. > > "MetaCard is available for several operating systems including Windows > 95/NT, Windows 3.1, Linux, Solaris, Digital UNIX, Irix, HP UNIX and AIX." > > and if this were true then: > > "/MetaCard was the language of the month in November 1997/." > > Why cannot RunRev Livecode be the development environment of the year 2013? > > Especially if the Open Source initiative works! > > Actually . . . come to think of things . . . I wonder why RunRev don't > contact people such as Vikki Dawson: > > http://designertoday.com/**reviews/review.archive/413/**metacard.aspx > > who wrote so keenly about Metacard way-back-when, an micht dae again? > > Richmond. > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 15:26:49 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:26:49 +0200 Subject: Back to the Future Message-ID: <51292609.3080509@gmail.com> Read this article a bit more carefully and feel it is extremely good in that it concisely describes pretty well all there is to say about Metacard circa 2000, and . . . . . . with a few modifications about Livecode in 2013. http://designertoday.com/reviews/review.archive/413/metacard.aspx Worth a serious read. Richmond. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 23 15:29:25 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:29:25 -0600 Subject: another article achieved... In-Reply-To: <5129235A.9040204@gmail.com> References: <281A2AC0-E1F5-470F-B147-5F8E5D9EF346@verizon.net> <5129235A.9040204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512926A5.6050202@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/23/13 2:15 PM, Richmond wrote: > As far as I understand Metacard (Livecard's true ancestor) was started > as a Windows > equivalent to Hypercard, which, very quickly, went cross platform. Unix was the first and only version for some years, since Dr Raney was a 'nix guy. Next came Windows for about 2 years, then the Mac version appeared. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 15:31:24 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:31:24 +0200 Subject: another article achieved... In-Reply-To: <512926A5.6050202@hyperactivesw.com> References: <281A2AC0-E1F5-470F-B147-5F8E5D9EF346@verizon.net> <5129235A.9040204@gmail.com> <512926A5.6050202@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <5129271C.1080001@gmail.com> On 02/23/2013 10:29 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/23/13 2:15 PM, Richmond wrote: > >> As far as I understand Metacard (Livecard's true ancestor) was started >> as a Windows >> equivalent to Hypercard, which, very quickly, went cross platform. > > Unix was the first and only version for some years, since Dr Raney was > a 'nix guy. Next came Windows for about 2 years, then the Mac version > appeared. > Ahah: J. Landman Gay has another of those "putting Richmond right" moments! Where would we be without her? Lost, quite frankly. Richmond. From bvg at mac.com Sat Feb 23 15:34:05 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 21:34:05 +0100 Subject: MMS Streaming In-Reply-To: <6BB3CDFF-F789-4577-9A6C-2EA564B56627@amglighthouse.co.za> References: <6BB3CDFF-F789-4577-9A6C-2EA564B56627@amglighthouse.co.za> Message-ID: <98471F0F-689A-49B4-B558-0725C9053484@mac.com> Sounds doable. But a lot of work, replicating RTSP, RTP as well as RTCP... As long as you don't need multicast, which you probably won't, it's possible. On 22.02.2013, at 19:28, Nigel Soden wrote: > Greeting and Salutations to O Wise Ones > > Is it possible to do MMS streaming using LC. From what i have found on the the subject it don't look too promising. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Sat Feb 23 15:48:54 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:48:54 -0500 Subject: Back to the Future In-Reply-To: <51292609.3080509@gmail.com> References: <51292609.3080509@gmail.com> Message-ID: Awesomeness! Thanks for sharing this. Sent from my Pipo M2 On Feb 23, 2013 3:27 PM, "Richmond" wrote: > Read this article a bit more carefully and feel it is extremely good in > that it > concisely describes pretty well all there is to say about Metacard circa > 2000, > and . . . > > . . . with a few modifications about Livecode in 2013. > > http://designertoday.com/**reviews/review.archive/413/**metacard.aspx > > Worth a serious read. > > Richmond. > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacques.clavel at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 16:54:53 2013 From: jacques.clavel at gmail.com (jacques CLAVEL) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:54:53 +0100 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: <1361632304740-4660968.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> <1361632304740-4660968.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: 60%! 2013/2/23 Mark Smith > Colin Holgate-2 wrote > > I'm checking the page every few minutes (or more exactly, a LiveCode > > application is doing that for me). One of the things I have it show me is > > the change in the total figure. So, each time the total changes I know by > > how much. > > Clever! > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/I-m-in-tp4660902p4660968.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jeff at siphonophore.com Sat Feb 23 17:14:09 2013 From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:14:09 -0500 Subject: $0! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thats why you need kids as your cowboy testers, they do that sort of stuff w/o even thinking about it consciously! jeff On Feb 22, 2013, at 10:16 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > I wonder if anyone's tried pledging a negative amount. You never know how > the software was written. From devin_asay at byu.edu Sat Feb 23 17:16:55 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:16:55 +0000 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> <1361632304740-4660968.post@n4.nabble.com>, Message-ID: On Feb 23, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "jacques CLAVEL" wrote: > 60%! And up to #3 on kicktraq hot list! From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 23 18:03:52 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:03:52 -0600 Subject: another article achieved... In-Reply-To: <5129271C.1080001@gmail.com> References: <281A2AC0-E1F5-470F-B147-5F8E5D9EF346@verizon.net> <5129235A.9040204@gmail.com> <512926A5.6050202@hyperactivesw.com> <5129271C.1080001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51294AD8.6030407@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/23/13 2:31 PM, Richmond wrote: > Ahah: J. Landman Gay has another of those "putting Richmond right" moments! I only remember that far back because I'm getting so damn old. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From sc at sahores-conseil.com Sat Feb 23 18:26:59 2013 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:26:59 +0100 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> <1361632304740-4660968.post@n4.nabble.com>, Message-ID: Yep ! Et si ?a veut, il faudra bien que nous arrosions ??, Jacques ;D Le 23 f?vr. 2013 ? 23:16, Devin Asay a ?crit : > On Feb 23, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "jacques CLAVEL" wrote: > >> 60%! > > And up to #3 on kicktraq hot list! > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 23 18:37:03 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:37:03 -0500 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> <1361632304740-4660968.post@n4.nabble.com>, Message-ID: <4E2E65C8-3B61-43BB-B959-F196132008F5@verizon.net> What are arrosions? On Feb 23, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > arrosions From bvg at mac.com Sat Feb 23 18:40:13 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:40:13 +0100 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: <4E2E65C8-3B61-43BB-B959-F196132008F5@verizon.net> References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> <1361632304740-4660968.post@n4.nabble.com> <4E2E65C8-3B61-43BB-B959-F196132008F5@verizon.net> Message-ID: <12BFD07D-7A66-4911-B1EA-F47B8CC70A42@mac.com> Tach Colin Ein Verb ist nat?rlich kein etwas. Wenn du nicht sicher bist, welche Sprache du gerade liest, empfehle ich Googletranslate nur als ersten Schritt. Alles weitere solltest du via Leo.org kl?ren: http://dict.leo.org/frde/index_de.html#/search=arrosions&searchLoc=0&resultOrder=basic&multiwordShowSingle=on klappt immer ;) On 24.02.2013, at 00:37, Colin Holgate wrote: > What are arrosions? > > > On Feb 23, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > >> arrosions > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 23 18:46:55 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:46:55 -0500 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: <12BFD07D-7A66-4911-B1EA-F47B8CC70A42@mac.com> References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> <1361632304740-4660968.post@n4.nabble.com> <4E2E65C8-3B61-43BB-B959-F196132008F5@verizon.net> <12BFD07D-7A66-4911-B1EA-F47B8CC70A42@mac.com> Message-ID: <91F5E11C-2243-4AE2-86A5-685C0BB1BE34@verizon.net> Well, it doesn't help me if leo.org translates French into German ok, how would that get me an English translation for "arrosions"? From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 23 18:49:44 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:49:44 -0600 Subject: Looping m4a audio Message-ID: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> A client wants to use m4a audio files that loop, but there's a short blip each time it rolls around to the beginning. Is there a way to seamlessly loop those? I said I'd ask here since we have some audio pros on the list. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bvg at mac.com Sat Feb 23 18:52:55 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:52:55 +0100 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: <91F5E11C-2243-4AE2-86A5-685C0BB1BE34@verizon.net> References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> <1361632304740-4660968.post@n4.nabble.com> <4E2E65C8-3B61-43BB-B959-F196132008F5@verizon.net> <12BFD07D-7A66-4911-B1EA-F47B8CC70A42@mac.com> <91F5E11C-2243-4AE2-86A5-685C0BB1BE34@verizon.net> Message-ID: Well, all plants, even foreign language ones, need watering. After all, no plan reaches fruition without the proper irrigation. When you are in a downpour, and the world seems overtly moisturised, maybe you could think of wetness in monetary terms; Mostly bribery and other wet-handed cajoling... Oh my, maybe it's just an eye watering evil world you're living in :) On 24.02.2013, at 00:46, Colin Holgate wrote: > Well, it doesn't help me if leo.org translates French into German ok, how would that get me an English translation for "arrosions"? > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 23 18:56:16 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:56:16 -0500 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> <1361632304740-4660968.post@n4.nabble.com> <4E2E65C8-3B61-43BB-B959-F196132008F5@verizon.net> <12BFD07D-7A66-4911-B1EA-F47B8CC70A42@mac.com> <91F5E11C-2243-4AE2-86A5-685C0BB1BE34@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20DA2A31-D2AC-42D5-95D4-ECA3E5546563@verizon.net> You drowned me with puns. This helped: http://dictionary.imtranslator.net/french-english/arrosions/ From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 23 18:59:15 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:59:15 -0500 Subject: Looping m4a audio In-Reply-To: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> References: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <5097CE86-5C5D-40FA-9466-5B6175C2C7D2@verizon.net> Blips would happen if the looping isn't good, or if the sound ends with the last sample not at a zero value. There's another complication with compressed audio, in that the sound is compressed in particular size packets. That could cause the loop to either have silence at the end, or to cut into the sound. Is the sound somewhere online, that we can take a look at it? On Feb 23, 2013, at 6:49 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > A client wants to use m4a audio files that loop, but there's a short blip each time it rolls around to the beginning. Is there a way to seamlessly loop those? I said I'd ask here since we have some audio pros on the list. From sc at sahores-conseil.com Sat Feb 23 19:12:03 2013 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 01:12:03 +0100 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: <4E2E65C8-3B61-43BB-B959-F196132008F5@verizon.net> References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> <1361632304740-4660968.post@n4.nabble.com>, <4E2E65C8-3B61-43BB-B959-F196132008F5@verizon.net> Message-ID: Here in Pau - B?arn - Aquitaine - and, even, southern "france"... (both Jacques and me are living around), we are drinking a glass of Juran?on alike, to say, "Clos Joliette" vine each time an interesting event happens ;D Pau is a clever little town in between skiable mountains and wind / surfable ocean where the good king Henri the Fourth born? Le 24 f?vr. 2013 ? 00:37, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > What are arrosions? > > > On Feb 23, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > >> arrosions > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Feb 23 19:17:41 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:17:41 -0800 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> <1361632304740-4660968.post@n4.nabble.com> <4E2E65C8-3B61-43BB-B959-F196132008F5@verizon.net> <12BFD07D-7A66-4911-B1EA-F47B8CC70A42@mac.com> <91F5E11C-2243-4AE2-86A5-685C0BB1BE34@verizon.net> Message-ID: <31936716484.20130223161741@ahsoftware.net> Bj?rnke- Saturday, February 23, 2013, 3:52:55 PM, you wrote: > Well, all plants, even foreign language ones, need watering. > After all, no plan reaches fruition without the proper irrigation. > When you are in a downpour, and the world seems overtly moisturised, > maybe you could think of wetness in monetary terms; Mostly bribery > and other wet-handed cajoling... Oh my, maybe it's just an eye > watering evil world you're living in :) I let Google translate that from French to German and then to English and got Now all plants, including those in foreign languages, irrigation. Finally reached realize no plan without proper irrigation. when You are in a downpour, and the world seems moistened open, perhaps you might think of moisture in financial terms, most active and other wet hands caressing ... Oh my God, maybe it's just an evil eye watering world you live in :) Somehow that didn't seem right. A few more iterations gave Now all plants, including foreign languages THE fr, irrigation. Finally, do not reach home without irrigation. when They can be found in repugnance and The Open World Looks Wet Grill-News Be You could think, De MOISTURE, financial freedom Terms and most active OTHER stroking wet area ... Oh my God, it's just being can live a bad eye watering world :) You ...that's more like it... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jacques.hausser at unil.ch Sat Feb 23 19:18:00 2013 From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 01:18:00 +0100 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: <20DA2A31-D2AC-42D5-95D4-ECA3E5546563@verizon.net> References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> <1361632304740-4660968.post@n4.nabble.com> <4E2E65C8-3B61-43BB-B959-F196132008F5@verizon.net> <12BFD07D-7A66-4911-B1EA-F47B8CC70A42@mac.com> <91F5E11C-2243-4AE2-86A5-685C0BB1BE34@verizon.net> <20DA2A31-D2AC-42D5-95D4-ECA3E5546563@verizon.net> Message-ID: <26327B02-03CD-4F1D-B4C9-FDB2D88D17A0@unil.ch> Actually, "arroser quelque chose", litterally "sprinkle water on something" is used colloquially to mean "celebrate something with a drink". Or several drinks? Hope it will be the case next Thursday ! ! Le 24 f?vr. 2013 ? 00:56, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > You drowned me with puns. > > This helped: > > http://dictionary.imtranslator.net/french-english/arrosions/ From bvg at mac.com Sat Feb 23 19:19:40 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 01:19:40 +0100 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: <26327B02-03CD-4F1D-B4C9-FDB2D88D17A0@unil.ch> References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> <1361589371750-4660950.post@n4.nabble.com> <1361632304740-4660968.post@n4.nabble.com> <4E2E65C8-3B61-43BB-B959-F196132008F5@verizon.net> <12BFD07D-7A66-4911-B1EA-F47B8CC70A42@mac.com> <91F5E11C-2243-4AE2-86A5-685C0BB1BE34@verizon.net> <20DA2A31-D2AC-42D5-95D4-ECA3E5546563@verizon.net> <26327B02-03CD-4F1D-B4C9-FDB2D88D17A0@unil.ch> Message-ID: <644CE4F7-16E1-47CE-926C-DA3FD91C4ACD@mac.com> Ah damn, and I was so hoping you meant to bribe someone xD On 24.02.2013, at 01:18, Jacques Hausser wrote: > Actually, "arroser quelque chose", litterally "sprinkle water on something" is used colloquially to mean "celebrate something with a drink". Or several drinks? > Hope it will be the case next Thursday ! ! > > Le 24 f?vr. 2013 ? 00:56, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > >> You drowned me with puns. >> >> This helped: >> >> http://dictionary.imtranslator.net/french-english/arrosions/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From sc at sahores-conseil.com Sat Feb 23 19:21:57 2013 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 01:21:57 +0100 Subject: Fwd: I'm in References: Message-ID: ? where the good king Henri the Fourth born and went baptized (arros?) with Juran?on vine? -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 23 19:24:02 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 19:24:02 -0500 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9956F7C8-CA21-4D69-83E5-F5D8E26EAE29@verizon.net> Did Henri the fourth just have three wives? On Feb 23, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > ? where the good king Henri the Fourth born and went baptized (arros?) with Juran?on vine? From sc at sahores-conseil.com Sat Feb 23 19:31:28 2013 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 01:31:28 +0100 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: <9956F7C8-CA21-4D69-83E5-F5D8E26EAE29@verizon.net> References: <9956F7C8-CA21-4D69-83E5-F5D8E26EAE29@verizon.net> Message-ID: <58AADCE6-4947-4967-A8D0-490677BAE2CE@sahores-conseil.com> The "Vert Galant" had many more, I fear ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_IV_of_France Le 24 f?vr. 2013 ? 01:24, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > Did Henri the fourth just have three wives? -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Feb 23 19:32:08 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:32:08 -0800 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: <9956F7C8-CA21-4D69-83E5-F5D8E26EAE29@verizon.net> References: <9956F7C8-CA21-4D69-83E5-F5D8E26EAE29@verizon.net> Message-ID: <163937583609.20130223163208@ahsoftware.net> Colin- Saturday, February 23, 2013, 4:24:02 PM, you wrote: > Did Henri the fourth just have three wives? ...maybe you're thinking of Hen-er-y the eighth... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From coiin at verizon.net Sat Feb 23 19:33:51 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 19:33:51 -0500 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: <163937583609.20130223163208@ahsoftware.net> References: <9956F7C8-CA21-4D69-83E5-F5D8E26EAE29@verizon.net> <163937583609.20130223163208@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Yes, divided by two. On Feb 23, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> Did Henri the fourth just have three wives? > > ...maybe you're thinking of Hen-er-y the eighth... From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat Feb 23 19:42:17 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:42:17 -0800 Subject: Looping m4a audio In-Reply-To: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Hi Jacque: In my experience, I've never been able to reliably loop a native player seamlessly. Even if it I got it working on one system, there's always another that runs slowly or has multiple process processes running, and a split second pause is audible in between loops. The only way I've ever been able loop audio seamlessly is using Trevor DeVore's Enhanced QuickTime external. The external has a qtMakeSeamlessLoop command that allows you to loop audio a specified number of times seamlessly. Check the Audio section of the docs here: http://www.bluemangolearning.com/download/revolution/enhancedqt/eqt_documen tation/ That said, if there's an actual "blip" in the file, you may be stuck, but it's likely the blip is the result of the (attempted) loop. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/23/13 3:49 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: >A client wants to use m4a audio files that loop, but there's a short >blip each time it rolls around to the beginning. Is there a way to >seamlessly loop those? I said I'd ask here since we have some audio pros >on the list. > >-- >Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From igor at semperuna.com Sat Feb 23 20:19:38 2013 From: igor at semperuna.com (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:19:38 +1100 Subject: 1001 things to do with LiveCode - only 400 page views per day In-Reply-To: References: <5126657A.7070208@fourthworld.com> <5A81ADA2-C22F-4882-8A40-3B6EF91ABF39@mac.com> Message-ID: <9E8D63D9-65AD-4FC9-8D9F-0A9F9DA782C9@semperuna.com> On 22/02/2013, at 9:48 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 22/02/2013, at 9:24 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> I agree with that Monte, The map was a fun curiosity I was just there the other day but it is not very useful beyond that. It would be great if there where more choices like leave a message, call etc. >> >> Maybe a Tag feature like what's been going on on YouTube. You know, someone tags you to do a little coding technique or what your favorite function is and you post it, then it's your turn to Tag someone else. It is a very community type concept. > > I can't help wondering why there isn't something like this around or if there is. It would be a good web app. I'd also like to be notified if someone new lists themselves and they are in my user-settable neighbourhood radius. I guess it might need to handle communication too... > > I wonder if there's some phpBB plugin that could do this stuff? These sounds like great features for an app - either for mobile, desktop, or both. "SocialCode": Social tagging and linking for LiveCode... I'd rather have that on an app than on my browser... Kindest regards to all, -- Igor Couto Sydney, Australia From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 23 21:06:03 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 20:06:03 -0600 Subject: Looping m4a audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5129758B.5080607@hyperactivesw.com> Thanks Scott. We're trying to avoid externals but I may be able to talk them out of that if nothing else works. It isn't a real "blip", it's the stutter that happens between loops like you said. I've asked the client if he's willing to share one of the files, I'll see what he says. On 2/23/13 6:42 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Hi Jacque: > > In my experience, I've never been able to reliably loop a native player > seamlessly. Even if it I got it working on one system, there's always > another that runs slowly or has multiple process processes running, and a > split second pause is audible in between loops. > > The only way I've ever been able loop audio seamlessly is using Trevor > DeVore's Enhanced QuickTime external. The external has a > qtMakeSeamlessLoop command that allows you to loop audio a specified > number of times seamlessly. Check the Audio section of the docs here: > http://www.bluemangolearning.com/download/revolution/enhancedqt/eqt_documen > tation/ > > > That said, if there's an actual "blip" in the file, you may be stuck, but > it's likely the blip is the result of the (attempted) loop. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > > On 2/23/13 3:49 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > >> A client wants to use m4a audio files that loop, but there's a short >> blip each time it rolls around to the beginning. Is there a way to >> seamlessly loop those? I said I'd ask here since we have some audio pros >> on the list. >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From alex at harryscollar.com Sat Feb 23 21:13:27 2013 From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:13:27 +1000 Subject: Looping m4a audio In-Reply-To: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> References: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <51297747.1050805@harryscollar.com> Hi Jacqueline Try loading the file into a audio editor like Audacity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net) and check the beginning to end of the clip. Blips should be obvious and generally if the sound has been trimmed badly then a simple tool like audacity allows you to smooth things out. If there is a slight gap between repeats then try a very short fade in at the beginning or fade out at the end. regards alex On 24/02/13 9:49 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > A client wants to use m4a audio files that loop, but there's a short > blip each time it rolls around to the beginning. Is there a way to > seamlessly loop those? I said I'd ask here since we have some audio pros > on the list. > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Feb 23 21:51:49 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 20:51:49 -0600 Subject: Looping m4a audio In-Reply-To: <5097CE86-5C5D-40FA-9466-5B6175C2C7D2@verizon.net> References: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> <5097CE86-5C5D-40FA-9466-5B6175C2C7D2@verizon.net> Message-ID: <51298045.7010805@hyperactivesw.com> I forwarded Colin's response to the client and this is his reply: *** start quote *** The music files we make have sample accurate loop points (however, audibly they don't need to be sample-accurate, just really close to loop perfectly when they are uncompressed). Any well-looped .aiff or .wav file would be a candidate for testing but I've included one. The problem I'm referring to isn't in the original uncompressed files; as you'll hear, they loop perfectly before compression. The problem I'm writing about is is purely the result of the compression process and is commonly known artifact of .mp3 and AAC compression. I've never seen a solution other than the one referred to in the link. [JG: see below for link] However that solution seems Apple specific and may be viable only during the execution of an app written with Apple tools that can use Audio Queue. Oddly, this is one of the real strengths of Director. Uncompressed audio files added to casts, which are then compressed themselves, do loop perfectly. I'll see if I can find out. The relevant problem is that there may not be a tool to do what is required in the summary of the link I sent: > Seamlessly looping a compressed audio file requires three pieces of information related to how the audio media was compressed: > > ? The number of silent sample frames (known as priming frames) added to the front of the encoded audio data. > ? The number of padding samples frames (known as remainder frames) added to the end of the encoded audio data. > ? The audio data packet count indicating the total number of audio data packets contained in the file. > Use AudioQueueEnqueueBufferWithParameters to enqueue all of the packets you have to the audio queue, trim off the priming sample frames from the start, trim off remainder sample frames from the last packet and reset the current packet count to start reading data from the beginning of the file creating the loop. Colin is correct that the compression is in packets, as described in the quote above. In fact, a solution is described in the link, I just don't know how to perform it. I suspect that the solution may not be "encodable" in the file itself, rather the solution is via special treatment during playback. However, if we could do that in LiveCode, that would be cool. But LiveCode would have to reach inside what QuickTime is doing. Here's something to play with, in case. If there was a possibility of creating a tool to process uncompressed files into loopable compressed files it would be out there by now, that's why I don't think it exists outside custom playback. The archive I included has an uncompressed loopable file as an .aif, while the .m4a is compressed as we'd provide them. *** end quote *** The link he refers to is at the Apple Developer web site: I have placed the two files in my dropbox: -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Feb 24 03:32:33 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:32:33 -0800 Subject: Proportionally Scale A Field? Message-ID: Hi All: Has anyone been able to figure out how to proportionally scale a basic field in LiveCode? I'm not talking about the text size (obvious), but rather the margin offsets. Specifically, the top margin is the problem. Contrary to what you would expect, doubling or tripling the top margin when doubling or tripling the size of the field doesn't result in proportional results: the top margin value increases correctly, but the actual number of pixels the text is offset is incorrect. I've spent days trying to figure out some rhyme or reason behind the numbers, and even broke down and tried to chart the results with the hope of finding a pattern/formula, but I can't figure out anything. Things get even more convoluted when changing the field's textSize or textHeight. I've bug reported this and asked RunRev for assistance but they have not been able to help. How do folks scale fields for different resolutions on mobile? What's the formula? Thanks & Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Feb 24 04:00:29 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 20:00:29 +1100 Subject: Proportionally Scale A Field? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73444068-5068-4F11-8827-69620488A300@sweattechnologies.com> I've tried to tackle this before and failed. From memory there's some extra pixels above the number of lines * the line height + top and bottom margins when you get the formatted height. I wonder if you could scale it by adjusting the top margin after scaling based on the difference between the formatted height and the number of lines * the line height + top and bottom margins... If you manage to work it out I'd be very interested to know so I can add this to the mobile screen density and layout framework I'm working on. On 24/02/2013, at 7:32 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Has anyone been able to figure out how to proportionally scale a basic field > in LiveCode? > > I'm not talking about the text size (obvious), but rather the margin > offsets. Specifically, the top margin is the problem. Contrary to what you > would expect, doubling or tripling the top margin when doubling or tripling > the size of the field doesn't result in proportional results: the top margin > value increases correctly, but the actual number of pixels the text is > offset is incorrect. > > I've spent days trying to figure out some rhyme or reason behind the > numbers, and even broke down and tried to chart the results with the hope of > finding a pattern/formula, but I can't figure out anything. Things get even > more convoluted when changing the field's textSize or textHeight. > > I've bug reported this and asked RunRev for assistance but they have not > been able to help. > > How do folks scale fields for different resolutions on mobile? What's the > formula? -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 04:55:17 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:55:17 +0200 Subject: Windows standalones? Message-ID: <5129E385.6030909@gmail.com> Every time I churn out a Windows standalone (whether on Linux or on Macintosh) I end up with 2 files: libeay32.dll and ssleay32.dll in the Windows standalone folder. 1. What are they for /; what do they do ? 2. When I ship a Windows standalone is it necessary to include them in the shipment? 3. If the answer to #2 is 'Yes' what instructions should I give end users about those 3 files? Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 05:13:43 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:13:43 +0200 Subject: Possible competition. Message-ID: <5129E7D7.5040100@gmail.com> I have just downloaded something called 'BayCard', http://bayhoff.wordpress.com/ a Mac-only sort-of-Hypercard-thingy, and read this in the Help section: "Simply put, BayCard is a modern-day HyperCard clone. It was designed to allow non-programmers to bring their own visions to life without the need to learn how to write code. Like HyperCard, a BayCard document can be thought of as a stack of index cards. As a result, BayCard documents are usually referred to as stacks. Each stack contains a background that appears below all cards. Unlike HyperCard, BayCard does not feature a scripting language. In place of a scripting language, BayCard features over 25 powerful interface widgets including, but not limited to, tables, lists, web pages, date pickers, and iTunes-style star ratings. All widgets are 100 percent real and, as such, your BayCard creations will look and feel just like any other aspect of the Mac experience." And found myself thinking a number of things: 1. This is a toy. However, if I am only needing a toy why would I bother with Livecode rather than this thing? 1.1. Well, Baycard, unlike LEGO, is not very flexible [and that reminds me of my father drilling holes in LEGO blocks and attaching small battery driven motors in 1970] and could cramp one's style quite a lot. 1.2. What does "All widgets are 100 percent real" mean? Is there such a thing as a fake widget? certainly begs the question. 1.3. Children play with toys, and the clever ones, sooner or later, want to do clever things with those toys, and if they cannot they throw those toys away and find better things. 2. "does not feature a scripting language." Yum; don't have to stretch my brain much. 2.1. Well; morons in, morons out. While this may be all very jolly for the "Power Point is the /sine qua non/ of everything on computers" it is not very jolly in quite a number of other respects. 2.2. Without a scripting language one is severely restricted; i.e. only to the things that the folks who designed Baycard think I will do with their thing: 2.3. Bet Kevin Miller did NOT imagine Richmond Mathewson making a fancy Sanskrit digitisation system with his product: BUT, because Kevin Miller had the foresight to see that people might want to do things other than what he might want to do he made sure that Livecode could be leveraged for a vast range of things. The scripting language is a very large part of that. 3. Can I replicate the sort of 'grab-shunt-and-drop' stuff I make for low-level EFL kids to practise stuff such as positions? 3.1. Not really. For starters it seems that a 'button' is always a button, and an 'image' is always an image; which is not very good. 4. Why am I writing advertising copy for Runtime Revolution Livecode? This sort of comparison should be pointed out on the Livecode website and in their other propaganda. Richmond. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 05:35:52 2013 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:35:52 +0000 Subject: Windows standalones? In-Reply-To: <5129E385.6030909@gmail.com> References: <5129E385.6030909@gmail.com> Message-ID: They are the SSL libraries. You need them if you are doing encryption or using secure sockets/https. Bernard On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Richmond wrote: > Every time I churn out a Windows standalone (whether on Linux or on > Macintosh) I end up with 2 files: > > libeay32.dll and ssleay32.dll > > in the Windows standalone folder. > > 1. What are they for /; what do they do ? > > 2. When I ship a Windows standalone is it necessary to include them in the > shipment? > > 3. If the answer to #2 is 'Yes' what instructions should I give end users > about those 3 files? > > Richmond. > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun Feb 24 05:53:18 2013 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:53:18 +0100 Subject: Record sound Message-ID: Hello everybody, The "record sound" function allows to record sounds directly from LiveCode. The "recordInput" property allows to choose what source will be recorded with these parameters : imic - records from the internal microphone emic -records from the external sound input jack cd - records from an internal CD player irca - records from an RCA input jack tvfm - records from an FM radio tuner idav - records from a DAV analog input port mbay - records from a media-bay device modm - records from the modem zvpc - records from zoom video input none - does not record. dflt - record from input chosen in general setups sound system Searching in QuickTime documentation I founded 4 other parameters : sinj - sound input jack pcmo - PC card pam input dvda - DVD audio inpit mica - microphone array Nowhere I see possibility to record directly the sound from inside the Mac, record I can do with application like "SoundTape" http://www.nch.com.au/soundtap/fr/index.html Is anybody had to resolve this problem ? Thank you Ren? From andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr Sun Feb 24 05:53:23 2013 From: andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Bisseret?=) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:53:23 +0100 Subject: Standalone working on windows not on mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A4E708D-D549-452A-BB74-3EE7C4380F49@wanadoo.fr> You are right Malte ; it's a path problem! Applying your answer test : - In the development environment I get the right file path /Users/did/Desktop/transfert ABONNEL Isabelle/DOSSIER ABONNEL Isabelle and that says "true" (the stack "DOSSIER ABONNEL Isabelle is there and it is opened. - but with the standalone for Mac I get a very strange (for me) file path : /Users/did/Desktop/transfert ABONNEL Isabelle/M?deciel_T.app/Contents/MacOS/DOSSIER and "false" the stack to be opened is not there! So, In the last item, instead of the name of the stack that should be opened, I get M?deciel_T.app/Contents/MacOS/DOSSIER (!!??) M?deciel_T is the name of the standalone (the splash stack) DOSSIER is the first word of the name of the stack that should be opened! I have no idea about what is causing such a bizarre filename and about what to do to correct it :-(( Thanks in advance for any hint Best regards Andr? Le 23 f?vr. 2013 ? 19:20, Malte Brill a ?crit : > I suspect this is a path problem. The stack may be in a location you do not expect. Could you answer the path you are searching on your mac and the do a > > answer thePathToStack&cr&cr&(there is a stack thePathToStack) > > for debugging? > > Best, > > Malte From revolution at derbrill.de Sun Feb 24 06:56:52 2013 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:56:52 +0100 Subject: Standalone working on windows not on mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <752AF637-3DB8-45AA-85C7-92BFC29A7681@derbrill.de> Bonjour Andr?, could you post the script that generates the path to the stack you want to open? Are you using either the filename of this stack or the defaultfolder to construct it? The path you see on the mac is pointing into the application bundle, which technically is a folder, while under windows the .exe you are building is not. So you will want to change the way you construct the path depending on the platform you are on... Hope that helps, Malte From coiin at verizon.net Sun Feb 24 07:20:54 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 07:20:54 -0500 Subject: Looping m4a audio In-Reply-To: <51298045.7010805@hyperactivesw.com> References: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> <5097CE86-5C5D-40FA-9466-5B6175C2C7D2@verizon.net> <51298045.7010805@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: The example loop has a clunk in it, even in QuickTime Player. I cleaned that up and could then get clunk-free looping of AIF or M4A in LiveCode. But, there was a moment of silence when it loops. That is the case in LiveCode with either AIF or M4A as external files, and also in QuickTime Player. Only Director would play the sound perfectly. Next I tried this: play audioclip 1 looping That works perfectly in LiveCode. Of course, that limits you to desktop only, it won't work on mobile. And it would need to be loaded into memory, as is the case when using audioClips. Would that be acceptable? From coiin at verizon.net Sun Feb 24 07:27:50 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 07:27:50 -0500 Subject: Possible competition. In-Reply-To: <5129E7D7.5040100@gmail.com> References: <5129E7D7.5040100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <82D41B82-2FBC-4DA6-AE53-B2582AF51073@verizon.net> BayCard is geared towards making little database applications. It may seem simple to FileMaker Pro users, but I find the interface overwhelming. You could program BayCard in LiveCode. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Feb 24 07:31:24 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:31:24 +0100 Subject: Windows standalones? In-Reply-To: <5129E385.6030909@gmail.com> References: <5129E385.6030909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512A081C.2030106@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Richmond, I think there was a bug, which caused these libraries to be included all the time and Revolution to crash if you removed them. Are they also added if you select libraries for inclusion manually? What would you do, if someone sends you an application, consisting of a bunch of files? Would you throw away a few random files because you don't see why you'd need them? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. On 2/24/2013 10:55, Richmond wrote: > Every time I churn out a Windows standalone (whether on Linux or on > Macintosh) I end up with 2 files: > > libeay32.dll and ssleay32.dll > > in the Windows standalone folder. > > 1. What are they for /; what do they do ? > > 2. When I ship a Windows standalone is it necessary to include them in > the shipment? > > 3. If the answer to #2 is 'Yes' what instructions should I give end > users about those 3 files? > > Richmond. From coiin at verizon.net Sun Feb 24 08:15:35 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:15:35 -0500 Subject: Looping m4a audio In-Reply-To: References: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> <5097CE86-5C5D-40FA-9466-5B6175C2C7D2@verizon.net> <51298045.7010805@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <20A9099E-E32E-44A9-903C-87976A746654@verizon.net> Another solution to the problem occurred to me, that works with external files, if you are allowed to make the M4A be MOV: Open the M4A in QuickTime Player 7 Command-J Select the sound track Click the "Other Settings" tab Click the checkbox Cache (hint) Note the optimistic note "Improve looping performance by caching this track in memory" That MOV will now loop perfectly in LiveCode, even though it's playing an AAC soundtrack. From coiin at verizon.net Sun Feb 24 08:41:56 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:41:56 -0500 Subject: Looping m4a audio In-Reply-To: References: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> <5097CE86-5C5D-40FA-9466-5B6175C2C7D2@verizon.net> <51298045.7010805@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <32672E1D-481F-4FF8-9EB7-37A7FE858A35@verizon.net> I went back to try other ideas, and the looping was no longer successful, but as I tried things it would be good again, then not good again! For a moment I thought I had a better solution, which you should try, in case it is as good as it was for me, momentarily. Try this with the player set directly to the audio file: on mouseup set the looping of player 1 to true set the alwaysBuffer of player 1 to true play player 1 end mouse up If that does work for you, it would be as good a solution as setting the cache in QuickTime Player. From john at splash21.com Sun Feb 24 09:39:23 2013 From: john at splash21.com (John Craig) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 14:39:23 +0000 Subject: Proportionally Scale A Field? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512A261B.3050007@splash21.com> Check out http://mobgui.com/morph.php In particular, the coments in the morph.rescale handler of the MorphLib stack. I was surprised to find that ignoring the margins for field objects worked for the tests I was doing. I'm not sure if it will work for your particular set up, but worth a go. :) On 24/02/2013 08:32, Scott Rossi wrote: > Hi All: > > Has anyone been able to figure out how to proportionally scale a basic field > in LiveCode? > > I'm not talking about the text size (obvious), but rather the margin > offsets. Specifically, the top margin is the problem. Contrary to what you > would expect, doubling or tripling the top margin when doubling or tripling > the size of the field doesn't result in proportional results: the top margin > value increases correctly, but the actual number of pixels the text is > offset is incorrect. > > I've spent days trying to figure out some rhyme or reason behind the > numbers, and even broke down and tried to chart the results with the hope of > finding a pattern/formula, but I can't figure out anything. Things get even > more convoluted when changing the field's textSize or textHeight. > > I've bug reported this and asked RunRev for assistance but they have not > been able to help. > > How do folks scale fields for different resolutions on mobile? What's the > formula? > > Thanks & Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr Sun Feb 24 10:00:09 2013 From: andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Bisseret?=) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:00:09 +0100 Subject: Standalone working on windows not on mac In-Reply-To: <752AF637-3DB8-45AA-85C7-92BFC29A7681@derbrill.de> References: <752AF637-3DB8-45AA-85C7-92BFC29A7681@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <9C3BD6F0-C2E4-4373-8509-5EB6D9B38E0F@wanadoo.fr> Guten tag Malte, I am using the filename Here is the script I am using --- put the filename of stack "m?deciel_T" into tChemin -- currently, it is : /Users/did/Desktop/transfert ABONNEL Isabelle/m?deciel_T set the itemDel to slash put "DOSSIER" && word 2 to -1 of item -2 of tChemin into tMonAppli -- to get the name of the stack to open (which is "DOSSIER ABONNEL Isabelle") put tMonAppli into last item of tChemin -- answer tChemin&cr&cr&(there is a stack tChemin) open stack tChemin --- I am always doing like this in my standalones; never done differently depending on the platform I don't understand why this does not work this time!) Should I use the defaultfolder? How to do that? Thanks a lot Malte for your attention to my problem Andr? Le 24 f?vr. 2013 ? 12:56, Malte Brill a ?crit : > Bonjour Andr?, > > could you post the script that generates the path to the stack you want to open? > > Are you using either > > the filename of this stack > > or > > the defaultfolder > > to construct it? > > The path you see on the mac is pointing into the application bundle, which technically is a folder, while under windows the .exe you are building is not. So you will want to change the way you construct the path depending on the platform you are on... > > Hope that helps, > > Malte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 10:05:48 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:05:48 +0200 Subject: Windows standalones? In-Reply-To: References: <5129E385.6030909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512A2C4C.7000905@gmail.com> On 02/24/2013 12:35 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > They are the SSL libraries. You need them if you are doing encryption or > using secure sockets/https. > > Bernard > Thank you very much. I'm not, so, presumably, I'm fine if I chuck them out. Richmond. > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Richmond wrote: > >> Every time I churn out a Windows standalone (whether on Linux or on >> Macintosh) I end up with 2 files: >> >> libeay32.dll and ssleay32.dll >> >> in the Windows standalone folder. >> >> 1. What are they for /; what do they do ? >> >> 2. When I ship a Windows standalone is it necessary to include them in the >> shipment? >> >> 3. If the answer to #2 is 'Yes' what instructions should I give end users >> about those 3 files? >> >> Richmond. >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 10:07:15 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:07:15 +0200 Subject: Possible competition. In-Reply-To: <82D41B82-2FBC-4DA6-AE53-B2582AF51073@verizon.net> References: <5129E7D7.5040100@gmail.com> <82D41B82-2FBC-4DA6-AE53-B2582AF51073@verizon.net> Message-ID: <512A2CA3.8060500@gmail.com> On 02/24/2013 02:27 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > BayCard is geared towards making little database applications. It may seem simple to FileMaker Pro users, but I find the interface overwhelming. > > You could program BayCard in LiveCode. Really? Mind you, it seems a bit siill, when you can just do everything in Livecode by itself. Richmond. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 10:13:39 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:13:39 +0200 Subject: Windows standalones? In-Reply-To: <512A081C.2030106@economy-x-talk.com> References: <5129E385.6030909@gmail.com> <512A081C.2030106@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <512A2E23.4090000@gmail.com> On 02/24/2013 02:31 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Richmond, > > I think there was a bug, which caused these libraries to be included > all the time and Revolution to crash if you removed them. Are they > also added if you select libraries for inclusion manually? > > What would you do, if someone sends you an application, consisting of > a bunch of files? Would you throw away a few random files because you > don't see why you'd need them? No, I wouldn't, BUT, I would throw away those files before I sent the thing out to end-users if I thought they a) were not needed and b) would just confuse the end-users. Richmond. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other > colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > > We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a > quote. > > On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to > send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, > please try again. > > On 2/24/2013 10:55, Richmond wrote: >> Every time I churn out a Windows standalone (whether on Linux or on >> Macintosh) I end up with 2 files: >> >> libeay32.dll and ssleay32.dll >> >> in the Windows standalone folder. >> >> 1. What are they for /; what do they do ? >> >> 2. When I ship a Windows standalone is it necessary to include them >> in the shipment? >> >> 3. If the answer to #2 is 'Yes' what instructions should I give end >> users about those 3 files? >> >> Richmond. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sun Feb 24 10:46:20 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 07:46:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Possible competition. In-Reply-To: <512A2CA3.8060500@gmail.com> References: <5129E7D7.5040100@gmail.com> <82D41B82-2FBC-4DA6-AE53-B2582AF51073@verizon.net> <512A2CA3.8060500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1361720780059-4661043.post@n4.nabble.com> Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote > On 02/24/2013 02:27 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: >> BayCard is geared towards making little database applications. It may >> seem simple to FileMaker Pro users, but I find the interface >> overwhelming. >> >> You could program BayCard in LiveCode. > > Really? > > Mind you, it seems a bit siill, when you can just do everything in > Livecode by itself. But Colin makes a good point. Lets say you saw a need for something like BayCard in the marketplace... maybe on mobiles or something, and it didn't already exist. You could actually create it in LC yourself. -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Possible-competition-tp4661022p4661043.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sun Feb 24 10:59:38 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 07:59:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: So stoked about the possibilities for Open Source Message-ID: <1361721578801-4661044.post@n4.nabble.com> I started out at ?70, bumped it to ?640 and now just opted for the lifetime commercial license. How did that happen? Time to cash in some RRSP's :-) I encourage others who want to see this happen to be creative on how we can fund this. Its worth considering, I think, borrowing from current savings to fund future earnings. Kicktraq's projected cone has the project within ?20,000 of the goal. http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode/#chart-exp-projection If you have to borrow against future potential I think the lifetime commercial license looks attractive. -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/So-stoked-about-the-possibilities-for-Open-Source-tp4661044.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pepetoo at cox.net Sun Feb 24 11:11:00 2013 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:11:00 -0800 Subject: Using the Stack Runner - architect Message-ID: <3FCFDE4B-9479-4C62-A86C-450377A58EF8@cox.net> Hi Everyone using LC: I've just decided that one of my projects is best suited for using as a Stack rather than creating a Standalone. It will be used only by me and my buddies on our Intel Macs, created using LC 4.5.2. Is there even a Stack Runner available for that version? The only version I seem to have is 1.9. I can really use some advice from one of you who have used StackRunner on one of your projects. I've searched the UserGuide, but have found no info regarding this critter. Many thanks for any help or advice on this matter. Joe Wilkins Licensed Architect From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Sun Feb 24 11:16:51 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:16:51 -0800 Subject: Using the Stack Runner - architect In-Reply-To: <3FCFDE4B-9479-4C62-A86C-450377A58EF8@cox.net> References: <3FCFDE4B-9479-4C62-A86C-450377A58EF8@cox.net> Message-ID: <592B9AAE-CC74-4D1D-A134-21A1C51850FC@pbh.on-rev.com> Hi Joe, Is this what you are looking for? http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/StackRunner.htm Paul On 2013-02-24, at 8:11 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Hi Everyone using LC: > > I've just decided that one of my projects is best suited for using as a Stack rather than creating a Standalone. It will be used only by me and my buddies on our Intel Macs, created using LC 4.5.2. Is there even a Stack Runner available for that version? The only version I seem to have is 1.9. I can really use some advice from one of you who have used StackRunner on one of your projects. I've searched the UserGuide, but have found no info regarding this critter. > > Many thanks for any help or advice on this matter. > > Joe Wilkins > Licensed Architect > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pepetoo at cox.net Sun Feb 24 11:21:06 2013 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:21:06 -0800 Subject: Using the Stack Runner - architect In-Reply-To: <592B9AAE-CC74-4D1D-A134-21A1C51850FC@pbh.on-rev.com> References: <3FCFDE4B-9479-4C62-A86C-450377A58EF8@cox.net> <592B9AAE-CC74-4D1D-A134-21A1C51850FC@pbh.on-rev.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the quick response Paul. I hope it is. (smile) I'll let you know either way. Joe Lewis Wilkins Licensed Architect On Feb 24, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Is this what you are looking for? > > http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/StackRunner.htm > > Paul > > On 2013-02-24, at 8:11 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > >> Hi Everyone using LC: >> >> I've just decided that one of my projects is best suited for using as a Stack rather than creating a Standalone. It will be used only by me and my buddies on our Intel Macs, created using LC 4.5.2. Is there even a Stack Runner available for that version? The only version I seem to have is 1.9. I can really use some advice from one of you who have used StackRunner on one of your projects. I've searched the UserGuide, but have found no info regarding this critter. >> >> Many thanks for any help or advice on this matter. >> >> Joe Wilkins >> Licensed Architect >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dfepstein at comcast.net Sun Feb 24 11:21:12 2013 From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:21:12 -0500 Subject: Copying fields sometimes doesn't copy their content. But when? Message-ID: Is there some rule that determines whether, when a field or group is copied in LiveCode (using the "copy to " command) the contents of the field or grouped fields are copied? This result seems strange: copying a field or group from a different stack to the current card includes the field contents if the current card is card number 1, but not otherwise. Recipe: Create two stacks, "x" and "y" Create a second card in stack y Create two fields on card 1 of stack x, put some content in them, and group them. Now with card 1 of stack y frontmost, type in the message box: copy group 1 of stack "x" to this card Then with card 2 of stack y frontmost, type in the message box: copy group 1 of stack "x" to this card Result: When copying to card 1, the content of the fields is copied. When copying to card 2, the fields are empty. Thanks for any insights into this. David Epstein From coiin at verizon.net Sun Feb 24 11:28:58 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:28:58 -0500 Subject: So stoked about the possibilities for Open Source In-Reply-To: <1361721578801-4661044.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1361721578801-4661044.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1DE87593-4294-424F-90B7-1DD25E522899@verizon.net> I'm on an invite-only Google email list. There are some number of Google employees, but also about 500 others, all of whom are geeks. I'm quite possibly the least geeky one on the list! Anyway, I played up the Android publishing angle (a lot of them are Google fanboys and girls, and there are even a few Apple haters), hopefully they will see that having a free tool for making personal Android apps, or publishing to Google Play, would be a good thing! Will let you know what the reaction is. On Feb 24, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Mark Smith wrote: > I encourage others who want to see this happen to be creative on how we can > fund this. From coiin at verizon.net Sun Feb 24 11:38:04 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:38:04 -0500 Subject: past 20% In-Reply-To: <5A634AAC-95E8-485E-B1EC-833A480C386E@verizon.net> References: <5A634AAC-95E8-485E-B1EC-833A480C386E@verizon.net> Message-ID: I just noticed that Ben now has a pledge. On Feb 6, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >Ben is still unused so far, perhaps you should post pictures of him? To get the rich women pledgers out there... From bonnmike at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 11:39:33 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:39:33 -0700 Subject: Using the Stack Runner - architect In-Reply-To: References: <3FCFDE4B-9479-4C62-A86C-450377A58EF8@cox.net> <592B9AAE-CC74-4D1D-A134-21A1C51850FC@pbh.on-rev.com> Message-ID: Worst case, its easy enough to roll your own. I have a simple one around here somewhere that is just a list field on a single card. Acts as a generic launcher. Drop an app on it, adds to the list and launches on double click. Stacks are recognized and opened accordingly, and launch document works for pdfs and the like. Main thing is to either a) add dummy code to the stack so that the engine will grok which things to include, or manually include the things required by the stack you want to launch. If you need datagrid support the easiest way to get that added is include a dummy substack in your launcher app. On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Thanks for the quick response Paul. I hope it is. (smile) I'll let you > know either way. > > Joe Lewis Wilkins > Licensed Architect > > On Feb 24, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > Is this what you are looking for? > > > > http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/StackRunner.htm > > > > Paul > > > > On 2013-02-24, at 8:11 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > > > >> Hi Everyone using LC: > >> > >> I've just decided that one of my projects is best suited for using as a > Stack rather than creating a Standalone. It will be used only by me and my > buddies on our Intel Macs, created using LC 4.5.2. Is there even a Stack > Runner available for that version? The only version I seem to have is 1.9. > I can really use some advice from one of you who have used StackRunner on > one of your projects. I've searched the UserGuide, but have found no info > regarding this critter. > >> > >> Many thanks for any help or advice on this matter. > >> > >> Joe Wilkins > >> Licensed Architect > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 11:46:40 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:46:40 +0200 Subject: Using the Stack Runner - architect In-Reply-To: <592B9AAE-CC74-4D1D-A134-21A1C51850FC@pbh.on-rev.com> References: <3FCFDE4B-9479-4C62-A86C-450377A58EF8@cox.net> <592B9AAE-CC74-4D1D-A134-21A1C51850FC@pbh.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <512A43F0.5020002@gmail.com> On 02/24/2013 06:16 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Is this what you are looking for? > > http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/StackRunner.htm 2010 is a while ago . . . If somebody could post a recipe to make on'es own stackRunner that would be a great service. Richmond. > Paul > > From dochawk at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 11:47:30 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:47:30 -0800 Subject: No developer license reward? Message-ID: As near as I can tell going over the list, there is no renewal for the developer license, just the "full license." Or am I missing something? -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From pepetoo at cox.net Sun Feb 24 12:07:16 2013 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:07:16 -0800 Subject: Using the Stack Runner - architect In-Reply-To: <512A43F0.5020002@gmail.com> References: <3FCFDE4B-9479-4C62-A86C-450377A58EF8@cox.net> <592B9AAE-CC74-4D1D-A134-21A1C51850FC@pbh.on-rev.com> <512A43F0.5020002@gmail.com> Message-ID: Paul et al: When I first opened the site and read "everything", I was overwhelmed with something that appeared to be overly complex; however, I download the appropriate SR version to a convenient location, made no changes to anything, dragged and dropped my stack file onto it; and, voila! it works perfectly. I can make changes while having it open with SR, Save before closing; then open the original Stack File in LC and the changes are right there as I wanted them to be. Seems to be a slam-dunk. Thanks Thunder and everyone else. Joe Lewis Wilkins Architect On Feb 24, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 02/24/2013 06:16 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: >> Hi Joe, >> >> Is this what you are looking for? >> >> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/downloads/StackRunner.htm > > 2010 is a while ago . . . > > If somebody could post a recipe to make on'es own stackRunner that would be a great service. > > Richmond. > >> Paul >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From kevin at runrev.com Sun Feb 24 12:07:55 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:07:55 +0000 Subject: No developer license reward? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All the reward licenses can be used to extend any existing license from whenever it expires. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 24/02/2013 16:47, "Dr. Hawkins" wrote: >As near as I can tell going over the list, there is no renewal for the >developer license, just the "full license." > >Or am I missing something? > >-- >Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. >(702) 508-8462 >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Sun Feb 24 12:24:35 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:24:35 -0500 Subject: Windows standalones? In-Reply-To: <5129E385.6030909@gmail.com> References: <5129E385.6030909@gmail.com> Message-ID: "end users", this is the key. Windows applications are normally delivered via an installer, which place the executable and dll's inside the Program Files folder. Users typically don't look in the there because a Shortcut is on the Desktop, and in the Start menu. There was is a great and free installer creator, which I can't remember what its called at this moment. I'll look for it and reply. ~Roger Sent from my Pipo M2 Every time I churn out a Windows standalone (whether on Linux or on Macintosh) I end up with 2 files: libeay32.dll and ssleay32.dll in the Windows standalone folder. 1. What are they for /; what do they do ? 2. When I ship a Windows standalone is it necessary to include them in the shipment? 3. If the answer to #2 is 'Yes' what instructions should I give end users about those 3 files? Richmond. ______________________________**_________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From klaus at major.on-rev.com Sun Feb 24 12:28:33 2013 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:28:33 +0100 Subject: Windows standalones? In-Reply-To: References: <5129E385.6030909@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Roger, Am 24.02.2013 um 18:24 schrieb Roger Eller : > "end users", this is the key. Windows applications are normally delivered > via an installer, which place the executable and dll's inside the Program > Files folder. Users typically don't look in the there because a Shortcut is > on the Desktop, and in the Start menu. There was is a great and free > installer creator, which I can't remember what its called at this moment. > I'll look for it and reply. this is the wonderful "Inno Setup": And it is free, just to please Richmond :-) > ~Roger > > Sent from my Pipo M2 > Every time I churn out a Windows standalone (whether on Linux or on > Macintosh) I end up with 2 files: > libeay32.dll and ssleay32.dll > in the Windows standalone folder. > > 1. What are they for /; what do they do ? > 2. When I ship a Windows standalone is it necessary to include them in the > shipment? > 3. If the answer to #2 is 'Yes' what instructions should I give end users > about those 3 files? > > Richmond. Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Feb 24 13:07:22 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:07:22 -0800 Subject: Looping m4a audio In-Reply-To: <32672E1D-481F-4FF8-9EB7-37A7FE858A35@verizon.net> References: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> <5097CE86-5C5D-40FA-9466-5B6175C2C7D2@verizon.net> <51298045.7010805@hyperactivesw.com> <32672E1D-481F-4FF8-9EB7-37A7FE858A35@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4F174670-C262-4B5C-941E-2275DD7E7965@tactilemedia.com> Your experience is consistent with mine: seamless looping playback with a player is unreliable. Looping imported audio clips works better, perhaps because the audio is loaded into memory, but is still unreliable and requires the audio to be in one of the few supported formats. There's another option that involves using revBrowser and one of the many web based audio players out there, but I've never gone to the trouble to work out a setup, and revBrowser has its quirks. If seamless playback is key, The EQT external should be a good option. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On Feb 24, 2013, at 5:41 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > I went back to try other ideas, and the looping was no longer successful, but as I tried things it would be good again, then not good again! > > For a moment I thought I had a better solution, which you should try, in case it is as good as it was for me, momentarily. Try this with the player set directly to the audio file: > > on mouseup > set the looping of player 1 to true > set the alwaysBuffer of player 1 to true > play player 1 > end mouse up > > If that does work for you, it would be as good a solution as setting the cache in QuickTime Player. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Feb 24 13:11:12 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:11:12 +0100 Subject: Windows standalones? In-Reply-To: <512A2E23.4090000@gmail.com> References: <5129E385.6030909@gmail.com> <512A081C.2030106@economy-x-talk.com> <512A2E23.4090000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512A57C0.8080901@economy-x-talk.com> Richmond, BUT you asked: what instructions do I give? And the answer you give yourself is: none. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. On 2/24/2013 16:13, Richmond wrote: > > No, I wouldn't, > > BUT, I would throw away those files before I sent the thing out to > end-users if I thought they > > a) were not needed > > and > > b) would just confuse the end-users. > > Richmond. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Feb 24 13:18:32 2013 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:18:32 +0100 Subject: Windows standalones? In-Reply-To: References: <5129E385.6030909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512A5978.5050603@economy-x-talk.com> Hi, There's also the Installer Maker Plugin. Not free, but it gets installed as part of LiveCode. You can download a trial copy at http://qery.us/356 -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 January, we suffered severe server problems. If you tried to send an e-mail between 13 and 18 January and didn't get a reply, please try again. On 2/24/2013 18:28, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Roger, > > Am 24.02.2013 um 18:24 schrieb Roger Eller : > >> "end users", this is the key. Windows applications are normally delivered >> via an installer, which place the executable and dll's inside the Program >> Files folder. Users typically don't look in the there because a Shortcut is >> on the Desktop, and in the Start menu. There was is a great and free >> installer creator, which I can't remember what its called at this moment. >> I'll look for it and reply. > this is the wonderful "Inno Setup": > > And it is free, just to please Richmond :-) > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 13:22:36 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 20:22:36 +0200 Subject: Windows standalones? In-Reply-To: References: <5129E385.6030909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512A5A6C.7060603@gmail.com> On 02/24/2013 07:28 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Roger, > > Am 24.02.2013 um 18:24 schrieb Roger Eller : > >> "end users", this is the key. Windows applications are normally delivered >> via an installer, which place the executable and dll's inside the Program >> Files folder. Users typically don't look in the there because a Shortcut is >> on the Desktop, and in the Start menu. There was is a great and free >> installer creator, which I can't remember what its called at this moment. >> I'll look for it and reply. > this is the wonderful "Inno Setup": > > And it is free, just to please Richmond :-) Whacko! > >> ~Roger >> >> Sent from my Pipo M2 >> Every time I churn out a Windows standalone (whether on Linux or on >> Macintosh) I end up with 2 files: >> libeay32.dll and ssleay32.dll >> in the Windows standalone folder. >> >> 1. What are they for /; what do they do ? >> 2. When I ship a Windows standalone is it necessary to include them in the >> shipment? >> 3. If the answer to #2 is 'Yes' what instructions should I give end users >> about those 3 files? >> >> Richmond. > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Feb 24 13:58:14 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:58:14 -0800 Subject: Proportionally Scale A Field? In-Reply-To: <512A261B.3050007@splash21.com> Message-ID: Thanks John. To be even more precise, it looks like the solution is to ignore the topMargin and keep the others. You might want to update your library to include this. [sigh] So much wasted time. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/24/13 6:39 AM, "John Craig" wrote: >Check out http://mobgui.com/morph.php >In particular, the coments in the morph.rescale handler of the MorphLib >stack. I was surprised to find that ignoring the margins for field >objects worked for the tests I was doing. > >I'm not sure if it will work for your particular set up, but worth a go. > >:) > > >On 24/02/2013 08:32, Scott Rossi wrote: >> Hi All: >> >> Has anyone been able to figure out how to proportionally scale a basic >>field >> in LiveCode? >> >> I'm not talking about the text size (obvious), but rather the margin >> offsets. Specifically, the top margin is the problem. Contrary to >>what you >> would expect, doubling or tripling the top margin when doubling or >>tripling >> the size of the field doesn't result in proportional results: the top >>margin >> value increases correctly, but the actual number of pixels the text is >> offset is incorrect. >> >> I've spent days trying to figure out some rhyme or reason behind the >> numbers, and even broke down and tried to chart the results with the >>hope of >> finding a pattern/formula, but I can't figure out anything. Things get >>even >> more convoluted when changing the field's textSize or textHeight. >> >> I've bug reported this and asked RunRev for assistance but they have not >> been able to help. >> >> How do folks scale fields for different resolutions on mobile? What's >>the >> formula? >> >> Thanks & Regards, >> >> Scott Rossi >> Creative Director >> Tactile Media, UX Design >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Feb 24 15:04:30 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 07:04:30 +1100 Subject: Proportionally Scale A Field? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005F312B-C929-4530-B29E-A474F75681F6@sweattechnologies.com> Hi Scott Can you clarify... If the margins are 4 and you want to scale 2x then you need to set the margins to 8,4,8,8 ??? Is there a bug report on this? On 25/02/2013, at 5:58 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Thanks John. To be even more precise, it looks like the solution is to > ignore the topMargin and keep the others. You might want to update your > library to include this. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From revdev at pdslabs.net Sun Feb 24 15:35:54 2013 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:35:54 -0800 Subject: Record sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512A79AA.1010201@pdslabs.net> Hi Ren?, If I understand correctly, you want to make an app that receives an audio stream from some server somewhere and converts it to a local file. If that is true, here are a couple of thoughts: - the stream will resolve to a URL, so maybe you could make your own "load" routine to save the stream to the HD, then deal with conversion afterward. But you would probably have to interact with the streaming protocol, which may not be so easy. - you could most likely have your app use a tool like ffmpeg to receive the receive the stream, convert it and save it. Sorry I don't have any better answers. Phil Davis On 2/24/13 2:53 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Hello everybody, > > The "record sound" function allows to record sounds directly from LiveCode. > The "recordInput" property allows to choose what source will be recorded with these parameters : > > imic - records from the internal microphone > emic -records from the external sound input jack > cd - records from an internal CD player > irca - records from an RCA input jack > tvfm - records from an FM radio tuner > idav - records from a DAV analog input port > mbay - records from a media-bay device > modm - records from the modem > zvpc - records from zoom video input > none - does not record. > dflt - record from input chosen in general setups sound system > > Searching in QuickTime documentation I founded 4 other parameters : > > sinj - sound input jack > pcmo - PC card pam input > dvda - DVD audio inpit > mica - microphone array > > Nowhere I see possibility to record directly the sound from inside the Mac, record I can do with application like "SoundTape" http://www.nch.com.au/soundtap/fr/index.html > > Is anybody had to resolve this problem ? > > Thank you > Ren? > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Phil Davis From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun Feb 24 15:41:54 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:41:54 -0800 Subject: Proportionally Scale A Field? In-Reply-To: <005F312B-C929-4530-B29E-A474F75681F6@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Yes. That what seems to work here. Ignoring all the margins doesn't seem to work because the left/right spacing around the text doesn't scale appropriately. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/24/13 12:04 PM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: >Hi Scott > >Can you clarify... > >If the margins are 4 and you want to scale 2x then you need to set the >margins to 8,4,8,8 ??? > >Is there a bug report on this? >On 25/02/2013, at 5:58 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> Thanks John. To be even more precise, it looks like the solution is to >> ignore the topMargin and keep the others. You might want to update your >> library to include this. > >-- >Monte Goulding > >M E R Goulding - software development services >mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 24 15:49:43 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 14:49:43 -0600 Subject: Looping m4a audio In-Reply-To: References: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> <5097CE86-5C5D-40FA-9466-5B6175C2C7D2@verizon.net> <51298045.7010805@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <512A7CE7.2020601@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/24/13 6:20 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > The example loop has a clunk in it, even in QuickTime Player. I > cleaned that up and could then get clunk-free looping of AIF or M4A > in LiveCode. > > But, there was a moment of silence when it loops. That is the case in > LiveCode with either AIF or M4A as external files, and also in > QuickTime Player. Only Director would play the sound perfectly. > > Next I tried this: > > play audioclip 1 looping > > That works perfectly in LiveCode. Of course, that limits you to > desktop only, it won't work on mobile. And it would need to be loaded > into memory, as is the case when using audioClips. > > Would that be acceptable? I really appreciate all your work on this Colin, thanks so much. I tried the m4a in a player and I didn't hear any silence between loops, but I'm still on Lion. The client in Mt Lion does hear it. I'm inclined to agree with Scott that there's no good way to deal with this. The results also varied for my client between different playbacks, like it did for you. Sometimes it worked, sometimes not. The link to the enhanced QT external docs didn't work and I couldn't find a new one. We'd like to avoid externals if possible, but I was curious to read about it anyway. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Feb 24 15:50:41 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 07:50:41 +1100 Subject: Proportionally Scale A Field? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <578C3664-0D9C-4087-B0FE-C73B22DD7DD8@sweattechnologies.com> OK, have you noticed any differences with fixedLineHeight true/false, multiple lines, showborder true/false etc? What if the top margin is something other than the default 4? I can't seem to make sense of this because setting the top margin definitely does something. How does the text manage to move proportionally if you don't set this proportionally... On 25/02/2013, at 7:41 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Yes. That what seems to work here. Ignoring all the margins doesn't seem > to work because the left/right spacing around the text doesn't scale > appropriately. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 24 15:57:52 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 14:57:52 -0600 Subject: Copying fields sometimes doesn't copy their content. But when? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512A7ED0.50809@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/24/13 10:21 AM, David Epstein wrote: > Is there some rule that determines whether, when a field or group is > copied in LiveCode (using the "copy to " command) > the contents of the field or grouped fields are copied? > > This result seems strange: copying a field or group from a different > stack to the current card includes the field contents if the current > card is card number 1, but not otherwise. I think that is due to the sharedtext property. Try toggling it and see if results change. Shared text doesn't really exist on every card, the content is only stored once, and you may have to be on that card to retrieve it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From klaus at major.on-rev.com Sun Feb 24 16:00:09 2013 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:00:09 +0100 Subject: Looping m4a audio In-Reply-To: <512A7CE7.2020601@hyperactivesw.com> References: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> <5097CE86-5C5D-40FA-9466-5B6175C2C7D2@verizon.net> <51298045.7010805@hyperactivesw.com> <512A7CE7.2020601@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <806E3898-5A22-43AF-BE08-C979B35A372E@major.on-rev.com> Hi Jaqueline, Am 24.02.2013 um 21:49 schrieb J. Landman Gay : > ... > The link to the enhanced QT external docs didn't work and I couldn't find a new one. Here it is: > We'd like to avoid externals if possible, but I was curious to read about it anyway. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Feb 24 17:13:12 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:13:12 -0600 Subject: Looping m4a audio In-Reply-To: <806E3898-5A22-43AF-BE08-C979B35A372E@major.on-rev.com> References: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> <5097CE86-5C5D-40FA-9466-5B6175C2C7D2@verizon.net> <51298045.7010805@hyperactivesw.com> <512A7CE7.2020601@hyperactivesw.com> <806E3898-5A22-43AF-BE08-C979B35A372E@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <512A9078.3020003@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/24/13 3:00 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Jaqueline, > > Am 24.02.2013 um 21:49 schrieb J. Landman Gay : > >> ... >> The link to the enhanced QT external docs didn't work and I couldn't find a new one. > > Here it is: > Perfect. Thanks Klaus. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Feb 24 19:01:20 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 11:01:20 +1100 Subject: Proportionally Scale A Field? In-Reply-To: <578C3664-0D9C-4087-B0FE-C73B22DD7DD8@sweattechnologies.com> References: <578C3664-0D9C-4087-B0FE-C73B22DD7DD8@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <5F10793B-2968-4D64-B742-D48DB1BFA221@sweattechnologies.com> OK, I did some testing and uploaded my demo stack to the bug report too. I didn't download yours but my demo clearly shows the workaround if it takes a while to fix. On 25/02/2013, at 7:50 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > OK, have you noticed any differences with fixedLineHeight true/false, multiple lines, showborder true/false etc? What if the top margin is something other than the default 4? > > I can't seem to make sense of this because setting the top margin definitely does something. How does the text manage to move proportionally if you don't set this proportionally... > > On 25/02/2013, at 7:41 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> Yes. That what seems to work here. Ignoring all the margins doesn't seem >> to work because the left/right spacing around the text doesn't scale >> appropriately. > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From rman at free.fr Sun Feb 24 19:23:00 2013 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:23:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: So stoked about the possibilities for Open Source In-Reply-To: <1361721578801-4661044.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1361721578801-4661044.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1361751780538-4661075.post@n4.nabble.com> I could jump into the lifetime bucket as I already did for on-rev founder, but for 1200?. Can't afford 2400 and I'm confident it could attract many of us and maybe save the run...! A little prayer!! God do you hear me??? (clin d'oeil at Kevin) -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/So-stoked-about-the-possibilities-for-Open-Source-tp4661044p4661075.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Feb 24 19:43:42 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 11:43:42 +1100 Subject: So stoked about the possibilities for Open Source In-Reply-To: <1361751780538-4661075.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1361721578801-4661044.post@n4.nabble.com> <1361751780538-4661075.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 25/02/2013, at 11:23 AM, Robert Mann wrote: > I could jump into the lifetime bucket as I already did for on-rev founder, > but for 1200?. Can't afford 2400 and I'm confident it could attract many of > us and maybe save the run...! A little prayer!! God do you hear me??? (clin > d'oeil at Kevin) You can get 3 years for that which is a great deal. Much better than you will get at the store if this doesn't go ahead. Otherwise, like someone on the kickstarter forum said it's actually well worth it to put it on a credit card and pay it off over 5 years. With interest I think he said it was only $86 a month or something. All the pledge level rewards are great and there's a heap of people from this community that are about to miss out if we don't dig deep. Cheers Monte -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From simon at asato-media.com Sun Feb 24 19:41:49 2013 From: simon at asato-media.com (As_Simon) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:41:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Looping m4a audio In-Reply-To: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> References: <51295598.6020501@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1361752909432-4661077.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Jacqueline, How about using two players and ping pong between the two, simulating a loop? I'm not sure but I think some blips are caused by an internal "get-file-in-zero-time-and-play-it-now". Simon J. Landman Gay wrote > A client wants to use m4a audio files that loop, but there's a short > blip each time it rolls around to the beginning. Is there a way to > seamlessly loop those? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Looping-m4a-audio-tp4661000p4661077.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sun Feb 24 21:12:22 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:12:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1361758342996-4661078.post@n4.nabble.com> Colin Holgate-2 wrote > A ?315 just showed up, I guess that was you! Hey Collin, what is your track-o-meter telling you today? I think I've seen that thing jump about ?10,000 in the last 2 hours. -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/I-m-in-tp4660902p4661078.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sun Feb 24 21:15:38 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:15:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: So stoked about the possibilities for Open Source In-Reply-To: <1DE87593-4294-424F-90B7-1DD25E522899@verizon.net> References: <1361721578801-4661044.post@n4.nabble.com> <1DE87593-4294-424F-90B7-1DD25E522899@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1361758538850-4661079.post@n4.nabble.com> Colin Holgate-2 wrote > I'm on an invite-only Google email list. There are some number of Google > employees, but also about 500 others, all of whom are geeks. I'm quite > possibly the least geeky one on the list! Whatever you did it might be working. There's been a big surge in funding in the last hour or two... -- M -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/So-stoked-about-the-possibilities-for-Open-Source-tp4661044p4661079.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Feb 24 21:27:12 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:27:12 +1100 Subject: I'm in In-Reply-To: <1361758342996-4661078.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1361510452.11297.YahooMailNeo@web162302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99F44052-463E-4078-9AAA-3B5E576AE06E@verizon.net> <1361758342996-4661078.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0002C6AA-1E06-48A3-82BD-151C9EA97EFE@sweattechnologies.com> On 25/02/2013, at 1:12 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > Hey Collin, what is your track-o-meter telling you today? I think I've seen > that thing jump about ?10,000 in the last 2 hours. A client of mine just threw in a hefty sum which will be a significant chunk of that. This is a lesson for all of us. Don't assume that someone already knows about this... I did and I only made the plea at this late hour because we are so close. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 23:17:41 2013 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:17:41 +0800 Subject: PPC ? In-Reply-To: <6477D58C-7D3A-4A6B-9344-77B98A1E7EE9@jhj.com> References: <51168DF4.6080501@gmail.com> <6477D58C-7D3A-4A6B-9344-77B98A1E7EE9@jhj.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Jerry Jensen wrote: > My biggest problem is that its a nice warm place for mice to play - can't close the lid all the way or it sleeps. > .Jerry Is it a PB G3 or a PB G3 Series, only Apple would name their computers so similar, but be different. The G3 Firewire, aka 'Pismo' was capable of running with the lid closed (and possibly the model before that). You might respond, I know, but it required connecting the PB to an external monitor and you don't want to do that. But if my memory servers me, the trick also worked with an external keyboard, and these PBs were one of the first to have USB ports. You could do a simple check with a USB keyboard and see if it stays awake, if so a cheap USB keyboard might help prevent the mice from trying to ensure that every Mac comes with a mouse. As an alternative solution, there is a reed switch below the microphone on the lid. there is also a magnet on the right palmrest. When the reed switch detects a magnet nearby, it clasps together, thus making the computer go to sleep. Simply remove the magnet, or unplug or cut the wires to the reed switch and you'll be able to close the lid without it going to sleep. This will obviously work with any PB, MB or MBP if you know where the magnet and reed switch are. Be aware that you might then suffer cooling problems! HTH From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 00:09:53 2013 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:09:53 +0800 Subject: recent press In-Reply-To: References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> Message-ID: You guys know so many people! Isn't there some way you can wrangle Kevin to do a TED Talk today! On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 2:01 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Colin Holgate writes: > >> Also, in an Apple Alumni LinkedIn group I'm in I started a discussion about > LiveCode, and David Leffler >> posted an "it's about time" comment. I'm taking that to mean that it's about > time that there was such a tool >> for people to use. David was the manager in charge of the HyperCard QA team. > > David got a messsage through me as well. I reached out to the HC team, the > Hypercard IIgs team, and piped to other managers through Ron Lichty's extensive > contact list. Larry Tesler's on board. > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 01:36:26 2013 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:36:26 +0800 Subject: Calling all teachers and parents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter, Really like what you are doing with your 1001 page and hope you exceed that number, but even at it's present level you need to think about a more sophisticated level of presentation. >On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote: >Other youngsters would be likely to relate better to examples from their peers. Couldn't agree more; and that doesn't apply just to youngsters, pro coders need to see what pro coders are doing, otherwise if they come and see your top chronological entries are from a bunch of kids, they may very quickly (and wrongly) assume that LC is a toy language for students. You probably don't have the time to do anything else now, and the blog format is so simple and quick to do, but when you do have the time you might consider the following: I'd break your page up into at least 3 sub-pages - Advanced, Intermediate, Beginner (maybe Commercial, Hobbyist, Education - others on this List will probably have even better suggestions) >From there I'd look at some kind of single level Tag or Filtering system based on purpose - Finance, Game, Medical,... Utility (basically similar to the iApp category list). And whilst the iron is hot, maybe even a second level of Tag/Filtering covering basic statistics about the size of the project, how long it took and current status. i.e. 6 main stacks, 38 sub stacks, 49 cards, 1,340,765 lines of code, 7 years, On Going; 1 main stack, 0 sub stacks, 1 card, 53 lines of code, < 30 min, Finished. ( I personally feel that his kind of info might really open the eyes to how quick a solution can be developed in LC) I'm sure others will have even better ideas on how to differentiate the vast assortment of projects people of different skill levels are tackling with LC, so that those that visit your page are not distracted but can focus on those people/projects that really interest them. Having said all that, I would include a 'Browse Eveything" page, just as you already have - but with the Tags so skimming the list would be easier. I can't help but think a page hosted on on-rev, written in LC could do it all; and wouldn't it be nice to have "This page powered by LiveCode" blazoned across it :-) From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 25 02:05:58 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:05:58 +1100 Subject: Kicktraq projection Message-ID: <41A43E37-45CA-4B10-88B8-978FAFA4E854@sweattechnologies.com> Keep up the pressure folks. Kicktraq projections have us within range of the target now! -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From peterwawood at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 04:32:24 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:32:24 +0800 Subject: Calling all teachers and parents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23A2C70E-31A5-4790-A03B-A3FF162743EE@gmail.com> Hi Kay C I quickly put the blog together with the specific purpose of showing people who haven't heard of LiveCode, Revolution, MetaCard or HyperCard things that they might be able to do with LiveCode. So that they could see that LiveCode could be useful to them. Something to interest those non-programmers who heard about the Kickstarter campaign. A lot of the stuff people sent was much more sophisticated than I had intended but it looks good and I needed to get a decent number of entries quickly. I feel that the mixed nature of the blog makes it a good showcase for LiveCode but didn't really meet my goal for it. Also, it has proved impossible for me to generate the level of visits that were needed to make a huge impact on the Kickstarter campaign. I don't regret starting the blog for a minute and as time allows I will continue to pester people for more entries and post them (though I feel I should be more selective.) I do plan to label (tag) entries when time allows but I will continue to use blogger.com as I just don't have the time available to create something unique (well not in the foreseeable future). Peter On 25 Feb 2013, at 14:36, Kay C Lan wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Really like what you are doing with your 1001 page and hope you exceed that > number, but even at it's present level you need to think about a more > sophisticated level of presentation. > >> On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Peter W A Wood > wrote: >> Other youngsters would be likely to relate better to examples from their > peers. > > Couldn't agree more; and that doesn't apply just to youngsters, pro coders > need to see what pro coders are doing, otherwise if they come and see your > top chronological entries are from a bunch of kids, they may very quickly > (and wrongly) assume that LC is a toy language for students. > > You probably don't have the time to do anything else now, and the blog > format is so simple and quick to do, but when you do have the time you > might consider the following: > > I'd break your page up into at least 3 sub-pages - Advanced, Intermediate, > Beginner (maybe Commercial, Hobbyist, Education - others on this List will > probably have even better suggestions) > > From there I'd look at some kind of single level Tag or Filtering system > based on purpose - Finance, Game, Medical,... Utility (basically similar to > the iApp category list). > > And whilst the iron is hot, maybe even a second level of Tag/Filtering > covering basic statistics about the size of the project, how long it took > and current status. i.e. 6 main stacks, 38 sub stacks, 49 cards, 1,340,765 > lines of code, 7 years, On Going; 1 main stack, 0 sub stacks, 1 card, 53 > lines of code, < 30 min, Finished. ( I personally feel that his kind of > info might really open the eyes to how quick a solution can be developed in > LC) > > I'm sure others will have even better ideas on how to differentiate the > vast assortment of projects people of different skill levels are tackling > with LC, so that those that visit your page are not distracted but can > focus on those people/projects that really interest them. > > Having said all that, I would include a 'Browse Eveything" page, just as > you already have - but with the Tags so skimming the list would be easier. > > I can't help but think a page hosted on on-rev, written in LC could do it > all; and wouldn't it be nice to have "This page powered by LiveCode" > blazoned across it :-) > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rene.micout at numericable.com Mon Feb 25 05:42:02 2013 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 11:42:02 +0100 Subject: Record sound In-Reply-To: <512A79AA.1010201@pdslabs.net> References: <512A79AA.1010201@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: <18E349AE-2750-43E9-BDC7-5ACD634E4A99@numericable.com> Le 24 f?vr. 2013 ? 21:35, Phil Davis a ?crit : > If I understand correctly, you want to make an app that receives an audio stream from some server somewhere and converts it to a local file. If that is true, here are a couple of thoughts: Not exactly, but it is a possibility... I have a musical application made with LiveCode and I wish to record the music made by it, directly in LiveCode... > - the stream will resolve to a URL, so maybe you could make your own "load" routine to save the stream to the HD, then deal with conversion afterward. But you would probably have to interact with the streaming protocol, which may not be so easy. I can make that, now, with SoundTape... > - you could most likely have your app use a tool like ffmpeg to receive the receive the stream, convert it and save it. I can make that, now, with SoundTape... That I wish is to record directly in my LiveCode app... > Sorry I don't have any better answers. Thank you for the answer Ren? From mkoob at rogers.com Mon Feb 25 06:39:06 2013 From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:39:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Lets get #LiveCode trending on Twitter today Message-ID: <1361792346771-4661087.post@n4.nabble.com> I looked at twitter to see how many tweets there were re LiveCode. In the last day there were 6 for LiveCode and 4 for #LiveCode. Today if everyone who has pledged could send a tweet with #LiveCode we could perhaps get LiveCode trending and get more attention for the campaign. I am not a regular tweeter so I don't know the ins and outs but I think retweeting RunRev's tweets will also help. If more prolific tweeters have any advice on how to get traction let us know. Just saw that we passed 75%, get the word out! Martin Koob @VideoLinkwell -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Lets-get-LiveCode-trending-on-Twitter-today-tp4661087.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon Feb 25 10:46:58 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:46:58 -0500 Subject: startUp message not being sent Message-ID: I was trying to set an 'on first launch' flag in the startUp message but it does not seem to fire at all? Is anyone else seeing this? on startUp global gFirstLaunch put true into gFirstLaunch end startUp -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com From klaus at major.on-rev.com Mon Feb 25 11:01:25 2013 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:01:25 +0100 Subject: startUp message not being sent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tom, Am 25.02.2013 um 16:46 schrieb Thomas McGrath III : > I was trying to set an 'on first launch' flag in the startUp message but it does not seem to fire at all? Is anyone else seeing this? > > on startUp > global gFirstLaunch > put true into gFirstLaunch > end startUp "startup" can only be "caught" in a standalone! In the IDE the engine already has "started up" so you cannot catch it there! > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon Feb 25 11:03:26 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 11:03:26 -0500 Subject: startUp message not being sent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B3A34EA-264D-4086-BFC2-F606BB8AD02E@mac.com> Haa! Bang my head and call me duh! Thanks -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Am 25.02.2013 um 16:46 schrieb Thomas McGrath III : > >> I was trying to set an 'on first launch' flag in the startUp message but it does not seem to fire at all? Is anyone else seeing this? >> >> on startUp >> global gFirstLaunch >> put true into gFirstLaunch >> end startUp > > "startup" can only be "caught" in a standalone! > In the IDE the engine already has "started up" so you cannot catch it there! > >> -- Tom McGrath III >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> mcgrath3 at mac.com > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 25 11:10:05 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 11:10:05 -0500 Subject: Huffington Post article Message-ID: <6B6E21C8-8401-4442-A189-C54B38F7DB22@verizon.net> One of the discussions I have online is in an Apple Alumni group. There are some big names hanging out there, and they were all interested in my topic about HyperCard and LiveCode. One poster to the discussion is John Pavley, who wrote this blog post about HyperCard: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-pavley/hypercard-bridge-over-digital-divide_b_1564867.html I asked him to write one about LiveCode, and he says he's working on it right now. He did already tweet the info: https://twitter.com/jpavley I'll send a link to the new article when it's online. From klaus at major.on-rev.com Mon Feb 25 11:17:53 2013 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:17:53 +0100 Subject: startUp message not being sent In-Reply-To: <7B3A34EA-264D-4086-BFC2-F606BB8AD02E@mac.com> References: <7B3A34EA-264D-4086-BFC2-F606BB8AD02E@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, Am 25.02.2013 um 17:03 schrieb Thomas McGrath III : > Haa! Bang my head and call me duh! DUH! :-D > Thanks > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From mikekann at yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 11:23:02 2013 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 08:23:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Huffington Post article In-Reply-To: <6B6E21C8-8401-4442-A189-C54B38F7DB22@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1361809382.55179.YahooMailClassic@web120506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> There is also a French version of HuffingtonPost at huffingtonpost.fr Perhaps one of the French LiveCoders could translate the English article and send it over to the French version. Mike --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Colin Holgate wrote: From: Colin Holgate Subject: Huffington Post article To: "How to use LiveCode" Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 10:10 AM One of the discussions I have online is in an Apple Alumni group. There are some big names hanging out there, and they were all interested in my topic about HyperCard and LiveCode. One poster to the discussion is John Pavley, who wrote this blog post about HyperCard: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-pavley/hypercard-bridge-over-digital-divide_b_1564867.html I asked him to write one about LiveCode, and he says he's working on it right now. He did already tweet the info: https://twitter.com/jpavley I'll send a link to the new article when it's online. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From benr_mc at cogapp.com Mon Feb 25 11:52:03 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:52:03 +0000 Subject: Huffington Post article In-Reply-To: <6B6E21C8-8401-4442-A189-C54B38F7DB22@verizon.net> References: <6B6E21C8-8401-4442-A189-C54B38F7DB22@verizon.net> Message-ID: <512B96B3.5050001@cogapp.com> On 25/02/2013 16:10, Colin Holgate wrote: > One of the discussions I have online is in an Apple Alumni group. There are some big names hanging out there, and they were all interested in my topic about HyperCard and LiveCode. One poster to the discussion is John Pavley, who wrote this blog post about HyperCard: > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-pavley/hypercard-bridge-over-digital-divide_b_1564867.html > > I asked him to write one about LiveCode, and he says he's working on it right now. He did already tweet the info: Colin, you're a star. You should add a new line to your CV, PR consultant! Ben From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 25 13:05:34 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:05:34 -0500 Subject: nice update tweet from Stephen Heppell Message-ID: <17D74CC5-A3BA-4789-8B16-C837F7F0FFBD@verizon.net> I asked Stephen Heppell to tweet again, using more urgent language. Here's what he sent: stephenheppell 63 hours to find last few investors for LiveCode (Open Source) - RT the doors off this tweet, let's save it! http://t.co/9fTA03RRZa 2/25/13 1:02 PM From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Feb 25 13:42:55 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:42:55 -0800 Subject: Richards talk seems to have gone down well In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512BB0AF.8090808@fourthworld.com> Monte Goulding wrote: > @jonobacon: Watching @FourthWorldSys speak about LiveCode at Ubucon. > Looks interesting. :-) #ubuntu Thanks for that, Monte, and for the kind words, Paul. Yes, UbuCon at SCaLE 11x was tons of fun for all. Kevin's assistant Mildred had some flyers printed for event which I distributed throughout the conference as well, and all three days I had people coming up to me asking me about this LiveCode thing. :) Jono's great. His role at Canonical is Ubuntu Community Manager, more of less the central cat-herder between the hundreds of employees at Canonical who make and support Ubuntu and thousands of people in the rest of the world who make it happen together. I've corresponded with him for some time (we'll have an interview with him at LiveCode Journal at some point), and I finally met him in person at the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Oakland last May. He's a powerhouse of stong energy and great ideas for managing the various and sometimes disparate views of community members. We'll need someone like him in the LiveCode community if this transition to open source is to work out. One of my best moments at SCaLE this year was getting a signed copy of Jono's book at the O'Reilly booth, "The Art of Community": For anyone managing sizable communities, esp. in the open source software world, this book is an invaluable compendium. True to the free-and-open spirit which drives so much of the work Jono does, a PDF version of the book is available at no cost from that site. And if you want the printed version, or if you just want to encourage O'Reilly to keep publishing books like this, you can purchase it here: And a big shout out to Jon Johns at O'Reilly. He's their community support contact, helping local user groups get access to the various products and services O'Reilly provides. If you have a user group and want to report on a new O'Reilly title or an upcoming O'Reilly event with your members, drop me an email with your contact info and outline of your organization and I'll pass it along to Mr. Johns. You may recall the Linux command line cheat sheets I handed at out RevLive in San Jose - those were from Jon Johns at O'Reilly. He loves to help user groups. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From userev at canelasoftware.com Mon Feb 25 13:55:40 2013 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:55:40 -0800 Subject: Richards talk seems to have gone down well In-Reply-To: <512BB0AF.8090808@fourthworld.com> References: <512BB0AF.8090808@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <381A6B50-8FD8-4048-AED6-42E7F71E38D2@canelasoftware.com> On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Yes, UbuCon at SCaLE 11x was tons of fun for all. Kevin's assistant Mildred had some flyers printed for event which I distributed throughout the conference as well, and all three days I had people coming up to me asking me about this LiveCode thing. :) Would you tells us more about your presentation? What did you discuss? How many people attended? Give us all the gory details. I saw the number jump in a big way over the weekend. I attributed it to you getting all the Linux gurus excited about LiveCode. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com From benr_mc at cogapp.com Mon Feb 25 13:51:51 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:51:51 +0000 Subject: nice update tweet from Stephen Heppell In-Reply-To: <17D74CC5-A3BA-4789-8B16-C837F7F0FFBD@verizon.net> References: <17D74CC5-A3BA-4789-8B16-C837F7F0FFBD@verizon.net> Message-ID: <512BB2C7.3010304@cogapp.com> On 25/02/2013 18:05, Colin Holgate wrote: > I asked Stephen Heppell to tweet again, using more urgent language. Here's what he sent: > > > stephenheppell > 63 hours to find last few investors for LiveCode (Open Source) - RT the doors off this tweet, let's save it! http://t.co/9fTA03RRZa > 2/25/13 1:02 PM If anyone has hundreds of thousands of followers ... or knows someone who does... it would be fantastic to get that or something similar going. (Even better if tweaked to mention HyperCard?). Colin - can you work your magic on Cory Doctorow (280K followers) ? From artdivito at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 25 14:08:54 2013 From: artdivito at sbcglobal.net (Art DiVito) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 11:08:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: OT Re: Huffington Post article Message-ID: <1361819334.33255.YahooMailClassic@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Am I the only one taken aback that Walter Isaacson made no mention of HyperCard whatsoever in his biograophy of Steve Jobs? (Actually, I should hedge my bet. I am only 2/3 through the book, but I believe I am past that part and there is no "HyperCard" in the index.) Isaacson goes through meticulous detail about many things only a handful of folks would have been aware of, but there had to be thousands of ordinary folks upset about Apple's disinterest in HyperCard, and he didn't touch upon it. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 14:10:28 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:10:28 +0200 Subject: Kickstarter Thoughts Message-ID: <512BB724.9030406@gmail.com> Somewhere I read that if the Livecode Kickstarter does not reach its target RunRev might look elsewhere for funding. Not wishing to be defeatest or anything; but, should the Kickstarter target not be met, why don't RunRev take all the money we HAVE pledged and use that as something to get started with? Having made the decision to pledge a certain sum, and then bumped it up, I count that money as 'gone' from my budget, and would be far happier knowing it was going towards what I pledged it than having it returned (or not withdrawn from my account). Richmond. From livfoss at mac.com Mon Feb 25 14:13:53 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:13:53 +0100 Subject: nice update tweet from Stephen Heppell In-Reply-To: <17D74CC5-A3BA-4789-8B16-C837F7F0FFBD@verizon.net> References: <17D74CC5-A3BA-4789-8B16-C837F7F0FFBD@verizon.net> Message-ID: <665C4D58-D9FC-4349-A0EF-E609B0B37132@mac.com> I don't Tweet, but how about Stephen Fry? He's a big tweeter and a very long term Apple fan - sure to know about Hypercard.. Just a thought. Graham On 25 Feb 2013, at 19:05, Colin Holgate wrote: > I asked Stephen Heppell to tweet again, using more urgent language. Here's what he sent: > > > stephenheppell > 63 hours to find last few investors for LiveCode (Open Source) - RT the doors off this tweet, let's save it! http://t.co/9fTA03RRZa > 2/25/13 1:02 PM > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 25 14:33:40 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 06:33:40 +1100 Subject: Kickstarter Thoughts In-Reply-To: <512BB724.9030406@gmail.com> References: <512BB724.9030406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57F82E4F-96D4-4081-AF26-3DA0CCCE54C6@sweattechnologies.com> Kickstarter is all or nothing. On 26/02/2013, at 6:10 AM, Richmond wrote: > Not wishing to be defeatest or anything; but, should the Kickstarter target not be met, why > don't RunRev take all the money we HAVE pledged and use that as something to get started with? -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From bonnmike at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 14:41:26 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:41:26 -0700 Subject: Kickstarter Thoughts In-Reply-To: <57F82E4F-96D4-4081-AF26-3DA0CCCE54C6@sweattechnologies.com> References: <512BB724.9030406@gmail.com> <57F82E4F-96D4-4081-AF26-3DA0CCCE54C6@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Yeah, but does that preclude people from donating directly to runrev at the same amounts with the same reward structure? In fact, while there may be ethical concerns here, if you take out kickstarters portion, and whatever payment gateways portion (amazon in the states) They could end up at the same place with a lower amount of funding. Hopefully the issue will be moot and we'll shoot right on by the goal. Looks to be a real squeaker though. On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Monte Goulding < monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote: > Kickstarter is all or nothing. > > On 26/02/2013, at 6:10 AM, Richmond wrote: > > > Not wishing to be defeatest or anything; but, should the Kickstarter > target not be met, why > > don't RunRev take all the money we HAVE pledged and use that as > something to get started with? > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Feb 25 14:46:58 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 11:46:58 -0800 Subject: Richards talk seems to have gone down well In-Reply-To: <381A6B50-8FD8-4048-AED6-42E7F71E38D2@canelasoftware.com> References: <381A6B50-8FD8-4048-AED6-42E7F71E38D2@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: <512BBFB2.6080003@fourthworld.com> Mark Talluto wrote: > Would you tells us more about your presentation? What did you > discuss? How many people attended? Give us all the gory details. > I saw the number jump in a big way over the weekend. I attributed > it to you getting all the Linux gurus excited about LiveCode. I'll be as brief as I can be (not easy for me ), since I need to catch up on some things now that I'm back in the office, but here goes: UbuCon is one of several Special Events that take place at the SoCal Linux Expo on the Friday before the expo weekend. We were scheduled a room which could accommodate about a hundred people, but were often spilling out into the hallway, and of course with Jono Bacon's talk on the exciting new Ubuntu smartphone and tablet demos we were packed beyond belief (UbuCon will be getting a bigger room next year). SCaLE as a whole brought in a record crowd, nearly doubling last year's attendance to bring this year to 2,300. If this were any other crowd, being among that many people so much smarter than me would have been intimidating, but this was a Linux expo, so it's more about just sharing knowledge in a fun environment so everyone gets smarter together. :) While UbuCon itself is a relatively small part of SCaLE, we did have a lot of traffic drop in from other tracks on Friday, and having the LiveCode talk outlined in the schedule probably didn't hurt, as people who had been to UbuCon talked to their friends, and those who just stumbled across it in the listings on their own and were curious about it. Monte and I corresponded before UbuCon, and agreed that spending too much time actually coding is less compelling for an introduction than simply giving a high-level overview of the tool with lots of slides showing examples of nice apps from the community (thanks to Ken Ray and Scott Rossi and others who've made screen shots available of their work - I was able to pull together a good mix of desktop and mobile apps on all platforms, using a couple of products I manage as case studies). The only scripting I showed live was a simple "Hello World' app that just put text into a field, but the concept of such tight integration between GUI objects and the language that manipulates them is such an important distinction with LiveCode that I got a lot of mileage out of it, allowing me to introduce the messaging system and a bit of the object model. And of course I built the app, for Win and Mac in addition to Linux, and showed them how LC builds them into folders ready to be shared. I ran the Linux app of course, but then showed them the app size (about 2.5Bs), noting that unlike Python and so many other alternatives LC apps are true standalones, giving a brief description of its modest system requirements and its unusually small number of system dependencies. I wrapped the talk up with a discussion of the open source initiative, the dual-licensing, the Kickstarter, and a description of the plans outlined on the Kickstarter page. When I mentioned the amount Jono nodded knowingly, and I noted that pretty much everyone I've talked to about serious code base management at this scale always seems to have that reaction to the cost of refactoring such a massive beast. In discussion with the many people who came up to me to ask about LiveCode through the rest of the weekend, it seemed more than a few had become seriously curious about this strange new toy. We'll see how it goes... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 25 14:56:33 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 19:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: New mobile OS Message-ID: For some reason, Mozilla is launching a new mobile OS: -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 14:57:34 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:57:34 +0200 Subject: Kickstarter Thoughts In-Reply-To: <57F82E4F-96D4-4081-AF26-3DA0CCCE54C6@sweattechnologies.com> References: <512BB724.9030406@gmail.com> <57F82E4F-96D4-4081-AF26-3DA0CCCE54C6@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <512BC22E.3030006@gmail.com> On 02/25/2013 09:33 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Kickstarter is all or nothing. Yes, well, some rules are meant to be broken and some are meant to be kept, and as we are all grown up round here surely we can make those sort of decisions. I would be the first to say "YES" (and a THUMPING GREAT 'YES' at that) if Kevin were to "appeal to the masses". > > On 26/02/2013, at 6:10 AM, Richmond wrote: > >> Not wishing to be defeatest or anything; but, should the Kickstarter target not be met, why >> don't RunRev take all the money we HAVE pledged and use that as something to get started with? > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 25 14:59:04 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 06:59:04 +1100 Subject: Kickstarter Thoughts In-Reply-To: References: <512BB724.9030406@gmail.com> <57F82E4F-96D4-4081-AF26-3DA0CCCE54C6@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <3FAAD458-4D48-40C7-8F1A-38A7CB827628@sweattechnologies.com> I'm not sure, much easier to get this to push this through now I think... we are definitely within range. On 26/02/2013, at 6:41 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: > Yeah, but does that preclude people from donating directly to runrev at the > same amounts with the same reward structure? In fact, while there may be > ethical concerns here, if you take out kickstarters portion, and whatever > payment gateways portion (amazon in the states) They could end up at the > same place with a lower amount of funding. > > Hopefully the issue will be moot and we'll shoot right on by the goal. > Looks to be a real squeaker though. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 15:03:16 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:03:16 +0200 Subject: Kickstarter Thoughts In-Reply-To: References: <512BB724.9030406@gmail.com> <57F82E4F-96D4-4081-AF26-3DA0CCCE54C6@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <512BC384.5030008@gmail.com> On 02/25/2013 09:41 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > Yeah, but does that preclude people from donating directly to runrev at the > same amounts with the same reward structure? In fact, while there may be > ethical concerns here, if you take out kickstarters portion, and whatever > payment gateways portion (amazon in the states) They could end up at the > same place with a lower amount of funding. The whole idea of a commercial firm using the Kickstarter idea to raise money for one of its projects already involves 'ethical concerns'; but, unlike Richard Stallman and Robespierre, I am not obsessed with ritual purity; and Robespierre got his head chopped off, and Stallman ended up a voice crying in the wilderness. So, B*gg*r the 'ethical concerns' (or, put it another way, we can all bash Kevin on the nose if the Open Source version is not forthcoming) and let's find a way to get this marvellous idea / opportunity working, with or without involving Kickstarter; it is too good a chance to let slip because neither you nor I have bottomless supplies of money to stump up. Richmond. > > Hopefully the issue will be moot and we'll shoot right on by the goal. > Looks to be a real squeaker though. Oink! > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Monte Goulding < > monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote: > >> Kickstarter is all or nothing. >> >> On 26/02/2013, at 6:10 AM, Richmond wrote: >> >>> Not wishing to be defeatest or anything; but, should the Kickstarter >> target not be met, why >>> don't RunRev take all the money we HAVE pledged and use that as >> something to get started with? >> >> -- >> Monte Goulding >> >> M E R Goulding - software development services >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 25 15:00:31 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: OT Re: Huffington Post article References: <1361819334.33255.YahooMailClassic@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Art DiVito writes: > > Am I the only one taken aback that Walter Isaacson made no mention of HyperCard Haven't read the book, but Jobs was long gone from Apple by the time HyperCard was released. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From kevin at runrev.com Mon Feb 25 15:08:32 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:08:32 +0000 Subject: Kickstarter Thoughts In-Reply-To: <3FAAD458-4D48-40C7-8F1A-38A7CB827628@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: It is not possible to make a change to either the funding amount or the deadline. It is not possible to get any sort of exception. Period. Kickstarter are cast iron about this, it is one of their fundamental principals. At this stage of the campaign, what we need is positive focus on making this happen. Discussion of a Plan B is not appropriate just now. Only by remaining positive will this campaign succeed. Lets make it happen we are so close! Just passed 80%. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 25/02/2013 19:59, "Monte Goulding" wrote: >I'm not sure, much easier to get this to push this through now I think... >we are definitely within range. > >On 26/02/2013, at 6:41 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: > >> Yeah, but does that preclude people from donating directly to runrev at >>the >> same amounts with the same reward structure? In fact, while there may >>be >> ethical concerns here, if you take out kickstarters portion, and >>whatever >> payment gateways portion (amazon in the states) They could end up at the >> same place with a lower amount of funding. >> >> Hopefully the issue will be moot and we'll shoot right on by the goal. >> Looks to be a real squeaker though. > >-- >Monte Goulding > >M E R Goulding - software development services >mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 15:11:02 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:11:02 +0200 Subject: Kickstarter Thoughts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512BC556.50803@gmail.com> On 02/25/2013 10:08 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > It is not possible to make a change to either the funding amount or the > deadline. It is not possible to get any sort of exception. Period. > Kickstarter are cast iron about this, it is one of their fundamental > principals. > > At this stage of the campaign, what we need is positive focus on making > this happen. Discussion of a Plan B is not appropriate just now. Only by > remaining positive will this campaign succeed. Lets make it happen we are > so close! Just passed 80%. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > > > Big Thumbs Up there to Kevin Miller for clarifying things! From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon Feb 25 15:12:28 2013 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:12:28 -0800 Subject: Kickstarter: Donations tax deductible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is there a US tax advantage in making large pledges? sqb -- - ! - Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA * * more about sqb -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From dunbarx at aol.com Mon Feb 25 15:18:17 2013 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:18:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Kickstarter Thoughts In-Reply-To: <512BC556.50803@gmail.com> References: <512BC556.50803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CFE1AC60B77BA7-1590-67862@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> All. If we do fail, cannot we simply start again, with a goal set slightly lower, and assume (hope?) that all the original pledges will be repeated? If more comes in, and it seems that time is on our side, it simply means, well, more. I bet if the deadline was extended even one week, the goal would be met easily. Craig Newman -----Original Message----- From: Richmond To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:11 pm Subject: Re: Kickstarter Thoughts On 02/25/2013 10:08 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > It is not possible to make a change to either the funding amount or the > deadline. It is not possible to get any sort of exception. Period. > Kickstarter are cast iron about this, it is one of their fundamental > principals. > > At this stage of the campaign, what we need is positive focus on making > this happen. Discussion of a Plan B is not appropriate just now. Only by > remaining positive will this campaign succeed. Lets make it happen we are > so close! Just passed 80%. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > > > Big Thumbs Up there to Kevin Miller for clarifying things! _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 15:23:37 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:23:37 +0200 Subject: Kickstarter Thoughts In-Reply-To: <8CFE1AC60B77BA7-1590-67862@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <512BC556.50803@gmail.com> <8CFE1AC60B77BA7-1590-67862@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <512BC849.6080103@gmail.com> On 02/25/2013 10:18 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote: > All. > > > If we do fail, cannot we simply start again, with a goal set slightly lower, and assume (hope?) that all the original pledges will be repeated? If more comes in, and it seems that time is on our side, it simply means, well, more. I bet if the deadline was extended even one week, the goal would be met easily. > > > > Craig Newman > Sounds sensible to me! Richmond. > -----Original Message----- > From: Richmond > To: How to use LiveCode > Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:11 pm > Subject: Re: Kickstarter Thoughts > > > On 02/25/2013 10:08 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: >> It is not possible to make a change to either the funding amount or the >> deadline. It is not possible to get any sort of exception. Period. >> Kickstarter are cast iron about this, it is one of their fundamental >> principals. >> >> At this stage of the campaign, what we need is positive focus on making >> this happen. Discussion of a Plan B is not appropriate just now. Only by >> remaining positive will this campaign succeed. Lets make it happen we are >> so close! Just passed 80%. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Kevin >> >> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >> LiveCode: Everyone can code >> >> >> > Big Thumbs Up there to Kevin Miller for clarifying things! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jim at d-film.com Mon Feb 25 15:24:24 2013 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:24:24 -0500 Subject: Kickstarter Thoughts In-Reply-To: <8CFE1AC60B77BA7-1590-67862@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <512BC556.50803@gmail.com> <8CFE1AC60B77BA7-1590-67862@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: "Do or do not. There is no try." --Yoda and Kickstarter From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 25 15:24:59 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:24:59 -0500 Subject: tweet that made me laugh Message-ID: <7C733536-4AA5-42CD-BB58-94E6948B1954@verizon.net> I had asked Ilene Hoffman for suggestions of people to approach, and she gave me some ideas, and told me to say that she had given me their email address. I wrote to a few of them, but none replied. So I asked Ilene if she would tweet about LiveCode, in a way that might encourage others to retweet (she has some impressive followers). Well, in the end she outed John Gruber about not replying to my email! Here's her page, and the tweet for LiveCode is about 56 minutes ago: https://twitter.com/ilenesmachine I expect he'll get upset and not write anything, but we'll see. From wow at together.net Mon Feb 25 15:40:51 2013 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:40:51 -0500 Subject: LC and credit card processing In-Reply-To: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> Message-ID: <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> I haven't followed recent developments in this area, so I'm looking for suggestions. I need a way to process a swiped credit card through Rev. The user is interacting via a touch screen (no keyboard or mouse). Just need to process the card info... no address info. The card swipe unit is attached to a portable Windows device which connects to the web via wireless (in public), so the whole process must be secure. Is there a (mostly) turnkey solution available for this? Thanks. Richard Miller From iowahengst at mac.com Mon Feb 25 15:44:40 2013 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:44:40 -0600 Subject: tweet that made me laugh In-Reply-To: <7C733536-4AA5-42CD-BB58-94E6948B1954@verizon.net> References: <7C733536-4AA5-42CD-BB58-94E6948B1954@verizon.net> Message-ID: I contacted John Gruber in early February and connected LiveCode to his MacWorld article? he actually responded to me, but I've not seen anything on Daring Fireball about the LiveCode Kickstarter campaign. See below? for his response?. On 03 Feb 2013, at 12:26pm, Randy Hengst wrote: > I read with interest your Spotlight article about AppleScript in the March issue of Macworld. I've never really used it enough to get my head around it. But, it along the same lines as "programing for all" I wanted to point out that LiveCode by Runtime Revolution has a Kickstarter Project in progress to take it open source. It's a programing environment that is a derivative of HyperTalk. Just saw that, will check it out. ?J.G. be well, randy ----- On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > I had asked Ilene Hoffman for suggestions of people to approach, and she gave me some ideas, and told me to say that she had given me their email address. I wrote to a few of them, but none replied. So I asked Ilene if she would tweet about LiveCode, in a way that might encourage others to retweet (she has some impressive followers). > > Well, in the end she outed John Gruber about not replying to my email! Here's her page, and the tweet for LiveCode is about 56 minutes ago: > > https://twitter.com/ilenesmachine > > I expect he'll get upset and not write anything, but we'll see. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From iowahengst at mac.com Mon Feb 25 15:45:50 2013 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:45:50 -0600 Subject: Kickstarter: Donations tax deductible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV? but maybe it would be tax deductible if you didn't take the reward. be well, randy ----- On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:12 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > Is there a US tax advantage in making large pledges? > > sqb > > -- > - ! - > > > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco Ca. USA > * * > > more about sqb > > > > -- > > > > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco Ca. USA > > more about sqb > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 25 15:49:52 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:49:52 +1100 Subject: Kickstarter Thoughts In-Reply-To: <8CFE1AC60B77BA7-1590-67862@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <512BC556.50803@gmail.com> <8CFE1AC60B77BA7-1590-67862@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <80FAF561-E78A-4537-BB45-6989CECC2FDB@sweattechnologies.com> Lets just not fail. I hate to loose... Too many rowing races ingrained that in me. We are within range. Lets take it home folks! -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 26/02/2013, at 7:18 AM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote: > All. > > > If we do fail, cannot we simply start again, with a goal set slightly lower, and assume (hope?) that all the original pledges will be repeated? If more comes in, and it seems that time is on our side, it simply means, well, more. I bet if the deadline was extended even one week, the goal would be met easily. > > > > Craig Newman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richmond > To: How to use LiveCode > Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:11 pm > Subject: Re: Kickstarter Thoughts > > > On 02/25/2013 10:08 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: >> It is not possible to make a change to either the funding amount or the >> deadline. It is not possible to get any sort of exception. Period. >> Kickstarter are cast iron about this, it is one of their fundamental >> principals. >> >> At this stage of the campaign, what we need is positive focus on making >> this happen. Discussion of a Plan B is not appropriate just now. Only by >> remaining positive will this campaign succeed. Lets make it happen we are >> so close! Just passed 80%. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Kevin >> >> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >> LiveCode: Everyone can code > > Big Thumbs Up there to Kevin Miller for clarifying things! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From benr_mc at cogapp.com Mon Feb 25 15:53:33 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:53:33 +0000 Subject: tweet that made me laugh In-Reply-To: References: <7C733536-4AA5-42CD-BB58-94E6948B1954@verizon.net> Message-ID: <512BCF4D.5070207@cogapp.com> Well done both. I also wrote to Gruber (just using his generic published contact email) a week ago, but didn't get a reply. Let's hope Ilene Hoffman smokes him out! On 25/02/2013 20:44, Randy Hengst wrote: > I contacted John Gruber in early February and connected LiveCode to his MacWorld article? he actually responded to me, but I've not seen anything on Daring Fireball about the LiveCode Kickstarter campaign. See below? for his response?. > > On 03 Feb 2013, at 12:26pm, Randy Hengst wrote: > >> I read with interest your Spotlight article about AppleScript in the March issue of Macworld. I've never really used it enough to get my head around it. But, it along the same lines as "programing for all" I wanted to point out that LiveCode by Runtime Revolution has a Kickstarter Project in progress to take it open source. It's a programing environment that is a derivative of HyperTalk. > > Just saw that, will check it out. > > ?J.G. > > be well, > randy > ----- > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> I had asked Ilene Hoffman for suggestions of people to approach, and she gave me some ideas, and told me to say that she had given me their email address. I wrote to a few of them, but none replied. So I asked Ilene if she would tweet about LiveCode, in a way that might encourage others to retweet (she has some impressive followers). >> >> Well, in the end she outed John Gruber about not replying to my email! Here's her page, and the tweet for LiveCode is about 56 minutes ago: >> >> https://twitter.com/ilenesmachine From andrew at ctech.me Mon Feb 25 15:57:49 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:57:49 -0600 Subject: LC and credit card processing In-Reply-To: <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> Message-ID: I am quite fond of using Stripe for various payment systems. Their api is accessible over HTTPS and I have used it in the past with revServer. Although I have never used it to process payments from inside a livecode application, I have made livecode applications that use their api to track sales. In general, they are one of the few credit card processing setups I have actually had pleasure in working with. https://stripe.com/docs https://stripe.com/docs/api Regards, Andrew On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Richard Miller wrote: > I haven't followed recent developments in this area, so I'm looking for > suggestions. > > I need a way to process a swiped credit card through Rev. The user is > interacting via a touch screen (no keyboard or mouse). Just need to process > the card info... no address info. The card swipe unit is attached to a > portable Windows device which connects to the web via wireless (in public), > so the whole process must be secure. > > Is there a (mostly) turnkey solution available for this? > > Thanks. > Richard Miller > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 25 15:58:00 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: tweet that made me laugh References: <7C733536-4AA5-42CD-BB58-94E6948B1954@verizon.net> Message-ID: Colin Holgate writes: > Well, in the end she outed John Gruber about not replying to my email! Ha! Ilene came to check out a little usergroup meeting we threw together at MacWorld a few years ago. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 25 16:00:14 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:00:14 -0500 Subject: LC and credit card processing In-Reply-To: <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> Message-ID: <884BB6DC-9257-4D0E-B68E-0BF7A24C9089@verizon.net> Credit card swipers just act like a keyboard input. You would listen for the keys being pressed, build up the data, then when the return character comes in you process the text. On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller wrote: > I need a way to process a swiped credit card through Rev. The user is interacting via a touch screen (no keyboard or mouse). Just need to process the card info... no address info. The card swipe unit is attached to a portable Windows device which connects to the web via wireless (in public), so the whole process must be secure. From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon Feb 25 16:02:59 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:02:59 -0800 Subject: New mobile OS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I like the fact that their differentiator is round icons and a cool animated fox: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/partners/# Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/25/13 11:56 AM, "Mark Wieder" wrote: >For some reason, Mozilla is launching a new mobile OS: > >x-os-for-mobile-challenging-apple-and-google-with-the-open-web/> > >-- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 25 16:03:12 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:03:12 +1100 Subject: New mobile OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74070848-C72D-40EE-9CBF-A5CC21A54612@sweattechnologies.com> Yeah, this is the thing Andre was playing with I think... Appears to be only. Html5 apps... -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 26/02/2013, at 6:56 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > For some reason, Mozilla is launching a new mobile OS: > > > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From wow at together.net Mon Feb 25 16:04:30 2013 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:04:30 -0500 Subject: LC and credit card processing In-Reply-To: <884BB6DC-9257-4D0E-B68E-0BF7A24C9089@verizon.net> References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> <884BB6DC-9257-4D0E-B68E-0BF7A24C9089@verizon.net> Message-ID: <512BD1DE.80007@together.net> I understand how card swiper's work. No issue there. It's the cc processing solution I need solutions for. Andrew... thanks for the Stripe suggestion. I'll look into it. Richard On 2/25/13 4:00 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Credit card swipers just act like a keyboard input. You would listen for the keys being pressed, build up the data, then when the return character comes in you process the text. > > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller wrote: > >> I need a way to process a swiped credit card through Rev. The user is interacting via a touch screen (no keyboard or mouse). Just need to process the card info... no address info. The card swipe unit is attached to a portable Windows device which connects to the web via wireless (in public), so the whole process must be secure. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 25 16:17:29 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: New mobile OS References: <74070848-C72D-40EE-9CBF-A5CC21A54612@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Monte Goulding writes: > Appears to be only. Html5 apps... Yes. Well, this *is* Mozilla we're talking about... -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Mon Feb 25 16:23:59 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:23:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Kickstarter Thoughts In-Reply-To: References: <512BB724.9030406@gmail.com> <57F82E4F-96D4-4081-AF26-3DA0CCCE54C6@sweattechnologies.com> <3FAAD458-4D48-40C7-8F1A-38A7CB827628@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1361827439396-4661129.post@n4.nabble.com> Kevin Miller wrote > At this stage of the campaign, what we need is positive focus on making > this happen. Discussion of a Plan B is not appropriate just now. Only by > remaining positive will this campaign succeed. Lets make it happen we are > so close! Just passed 80%. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin I am impressed. Only 1/2 way through the day and already through 38,000 pounds (the best day yet). And tracking #2 on kicktraq. I think this is going to fly.... -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Kickstarter-Thoughts-tp4661100p4661129.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Feb 25 16:20:58 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: New mobile OS References: Message-ID: Scott Rossi writes: > I like the fact that their differentiator is round icons No doubt Microsoft already trademarked rectangular icon spaces for win8. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon Feb 25 16:28:36 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:28:36 +0000 Subject: Kickstarter Thoughts In-Reply-To: <512BC849.6080103@gmail.com> References: <512BC556.50803@gmail.com> <8CFE1AC60B77BA7-1590-67862@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <512BC849.6080103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0102F753@Peas2.byu.local> Lads and lasses, I would humbly suggest this is not the time for strategizing on plan B or C. Just a week ago I was feeling pessimistic about the Kickstarter campaign. Not today. Consider these facts: - One week ago the pledge total was less than ?150K. Right now we are pushing ?290K, and ?300K is not out of the question by the end of today. - It hasn't just been early pledgers increasing their pledges either. Nearly 700 new pledgers in the last week. - The LiveCode campaign is #2 on the Kicktraq.com hot list. - Yesterday the campaign set a record for total amount pledged, even more than the first day, at ?34,219. Today we have already eclipsed that amount. - Even given the slow days in the middle of the month, the campaign is now trending toward 90% funding. The high end of the projected cone at Kicktraq is well past the goal at over ?372K. - If we hit ?300K today that leaves ?50 for the last two days, or ?25K needed per day. Donations yesterday and today have been well beyond that. - There have been some seriously major media mentions over the last few days. Lots of people are noticing. - My Kickstarter pledge meter has been going crazy today. I hear clinking coins almost constantly (Thanks Monte and Bj?rnke.) - I haven't even upped my pledge yet, but I will. :) Are we out of the woods? Not by a long shot. We need to keep up the effort. But it is most definitely within reach! Cheers, Devin On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 02/25/2013 10:18 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote: >> All. >> >> >> If we do fail, cannot we simply start again, with a goal set slightly lower, and assume (hope?) that all the original pledges will be repeated? If more comes in, and it seems that time is on our side, it simply means, well, more. I bet if the deadline was extended even one week, the goal would be met easily. >> >> >> >> Craig Newman >> > > Sounds sensible to me! > > Richmond. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richmond >> To: How to use LiveCode >> Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:11 pm >> Subject: Re: Kickstarter Thoughts >> >> >> On 02/25/2013 10:08 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: >>> It is not possible to make a change to either the funding amount or the >>> deadline. It is not possible to get any sort of exception. Period. >>> Kickstarter are cast iron about this, it is one of their fundamental >>> principals. >>> >>> At this stage of the campaign, what we need is positive focus on making >>> this happen. Discussion of a Plan B is not appropriate just now. Only by >>> remaining positive will this campaign succeed. Lets make it happen we are >>> so close! Just passed 80%. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Kevin Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 25 16:42:21 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:42:21 -0500 Subject: thank you, iJames Message-ID: <69577194-0146-4BFD-BE5C-67204420AE11@verizon.net> http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?id=114972 From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 25 16:50:12 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:50:12 -0500 Subject: Huffington Post article In-Reply-To: <6B6E21C8-8401-4442-A189-C54B38F7DB22@verizon.net> References: <6B6E21C8-8401-4442-A189-C54B38F7DB22@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9AC7AA86-C150-4982-A86C-3192C9B2A706@verizon.net> This article is live: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-pavley/coding_b_2760727.html It's not just a quick mention, it's a full article, that leads up to talking about LiveCode and the Kickstarter project. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 25 17:11:25 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:11:25 +1100 Subject: stretch goals Message-ID: Hi Folks I'm now positive that this community now has the drive to push this thing over the line. I now want to hear about RunRev's first stretch goal. What will they deliver if we push this to ?400k? Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From revolution at derbrill.de Mon Feb 25 17:10:19 2013 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:10:19 +0100 Subject: Kickstarter Thoughts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C03F832-F593-433F-9A0A-6A6095DC2A43@derbrill.de> This must happen!!! Kevin promised to grow a beard if it happens. No way to miss that! Go,go,go!!! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 25 17:19:12 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:19:12 +1100 Subject: Richards talk seems to have gone down well In-Reply-To: <512BBFB2.6080003@fourthworld.com> References: <381A6B50-8FD8-4048-AED6-42E7F71E38D2@canelasoftware.com> <512BBFB2.6080003@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4436DA1E-E79D-405E-9CD3-02AAB25CB0CA@sweattechnologies.com> Sounds like a great talk Richard. I think it's too easy for people to dismiss the hello world type demo with .. it's just a toy if that's all it can do. Maybe in an education setting that's fine but certainly not at UbuCon. Real case studies like you delivered clearly demonstrate that you can produce quality apps on this platform. If you have slides it might be worth sharing and spreading the url via social networks. On 26/02/2013, at 6:46 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Mark Talluto wrote: > > > Would you tells us more about your presentation? What did you > > discuss? How many people attended? Give us all the gory details. > > I saw the number jump in a big way over the weekend. I attributed > > it to you getting all the Linux gurus excited about LiveCode. > > I'll be as brief as I can be (not easy for me ), since I need to catch up on some things now that I'm back in the office, but here goes: > > UbuCon is one of several Special Events that take place at the SoCal Linux Expo on the Friday before the expo weekend. We were scheduled a room which could accommodate about a hundred people, but were often spilling out into the hallway, and of course with Jono Bacon's talk on the exciting new Ubuntu smartphone and tablet demos we were packed beyond belief (UbuCon will be getting a bigger room next year). > > SCaLE as a whole brought in a record crowd, nearly doubling last year's attendance to bring this year to 2,300. If this were any other crowd, being among that many people so much smarter than me would have been intimidating, but this was a Linux expo, so it's more about just sharing knowledge in a fun environment so everyone gets smarter together. :) > > While UbuCon itself is a relatively small part of SCaLE, we did have a lot of traffic drop in from other tracks on Friday, and having the LiveCode talk outlined in the schedule probably didn't hurt, as people who had been to UbuCon talked to their friends, and those who just stumbled across it in the listings on their own and were curious about it. > > Monte and I corresponded before UbuCon, and agreed that spending too much time actually coding is less compelling for an introduction than simply giving a high-level overview of the tool with lots of slides showing examples of nice apps from the community (thanks to Ken Ray and Scott Rossi and others who've made screen shots available of their work - I was able to pull together a good mix of desktop and mobile apps on all platforms, using a couple of products I manage as case studies). > > The only scripting I showed live was a simple "Hello World' app that just put text into a field, but the concept of such tight integration between GUI objects and the language that manipulates them is such an important distinction with LiveCode that I got a lot of mileage out of it, allowing me to introduce the messaging system and a bit of the object model. > > And of course I built the app, for Win and Mac in addition to Linux, and showed them how LC builds them into folders ready to be shared. I ran the Linux app of course, but then showed them the app size (about 2.5Bs), noting that unlike Python and so many other alternatives LC apps are true standalones, giving a brief description of its modest system requirements and its unusually small number of system dependencies. > > I wrapped the talk up with a discussion of the open source initiative, the dual-licensing, the Kickstarter, and a description of the plans outlined on the Kickstarter page. When I mentioned the amount Jono nodded knowingly, and I noted that pretty much everyone I've talked to about serious code base management at this scale always seems to have that reaction to the cost of refactoring such a massive beast. > > In discussion with the many people who came up to me to ask about LiveCode through the rest of the weekend, it seemed more than a few had become seriously curious about this strange new toy. We'll see how it goes... > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From userev at canelasoftware.com Mon Feb 25 17:23:43 2013 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:23:43 -0800 Subject: Richards talk seems to have gone down well In-Reply-To: <512BBFB2.6080003@fourthworld.com> References: <381A6B50-8FD8-4048-AED6-42E7F71E38D2@canelasoftware.com> <512BBFB2.6080003@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > In discussion with the many people who came up to me to ask about LiveCode through the rest of the weekend, it seemed more than a few had become seriously curious about this strange new toy. We'll see how it goes... Very cool! Sounds like a great experience. I am sure it is making a difference in the KS. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 25 17:37:27 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:37:27 +1100 Subject: Post campaign party Message-ID: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> Hi Folks Well I for one want to pop a cork when this things over... or drown my miseries.. either way it would be nice not to be so isolated from the rest of you. By reckoning my we end on the 28th at 11:30AM GMT. So... how about we hangout here: https://plus.google.com/events/c9ps7jck84e2gfpt7s1orn2e1os Cheers Monte -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From userev at canelasoftware.com Mon Feb 25 17:41:24 2013 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:41:24 -0800 Subject: LC and credit card processing In-Reply-To: <884BB6DC-9257-4D0E-B68E-0BF7A24C9089@verizon.net> References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> <884BB6DC-9257-4D0E-B68E-0BF7A24C9089@verizon.net> Message-ID: <57491024-E3F2-4198-9902-CFE4CB5768BC@canelasoftware.com> On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Credit card swipers just act like a keyboard input. You would listen for the keys being pressed, build up the data, then when the return character comes in you process the text. > > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller wrote: > >> I need a way to process a swiped credit card through Rev. The user is interacting via a touch screen (no keyboard or mouse). Just need to process the card info... no address info. The card swipe unit is attached to a portable Windows device which connects to the web via wireless (in public), so the whole process must be secure. There is a bit more to credit card processing if you want to be PCI compliant. In short, the swiper would provide you an encrypted transaction. You then pass this on to a PCI compliant processor. They can decrypt the record and respond to you with a yes or no on the transaction. You need to have a gateway to a processor and a merchant account to receive the funds. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com From skip at magicgate.com Mon Feb 25 17:46:24 2013 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:46:24 -0500 Subject: LC and credit card processing In-Reply-To: References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> Message-ID: I have always used Authorize.net and their backend gateway / API. SKIP On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > I am quite fond of using Stripe for various payment systems. Their api > is accessible over HTTPS and I have used it in the past with revServer. > Although I have never used it to process payments from inside a livecode > application, I have made livecode applications that use their api to track > sales. In general, they are one of the few credit card processing setups I > have actually had pleasure in working with. > > https://stripe.com/docs > > https://stripe.com/docs/api > > Regards, > > Andrew > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Richard Miller wrote: > > > I haven't followed recent developments in this area, so I'm looking for > > suggestions. > > > > I need a way to process a swiped credit card through Rev. The user is > > interacting via a touch screen (no keyboard or mouse). Just need to > process > > the card info... no address info. The card swipe unit is attached to a > > portable Windows device which connects to the web via wireless (in > public), > > so the whole process must be secure. > > > > Is there a (mostly) turnkey solution available for this? > > > > Thanks. > > Richard Miller > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode< > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > andrew at ctech.me > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From andrew at ctech.me Mon Feb 25 17:48:06 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:48:06 -0600 Subject: LC and credit card processing In-Reply-To: <57491024-E3F2-4198-9902-CFE4CB5768BC@canelasoftware.com> References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> <884BB6DC-9257-4D0E-B68E-0BF7A24C9089@verizon.net> <57491024-E3F2-4198-9902-CFE4CB5768BC@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: That's the benefit of using Stripe in this situation. Stripe takes the place of a traditional gateway/processor/merchant account setup. >From their FAQ, Why is Stripe better than the other options I'm considering? > Glad you asked! Here are some reasons that others have chosen Stripe: > > - Stripe is the only payments service you'll need. You won't need to > find and work with a separate merchant account provider, gateway, > subscriptions manager, or any other piece of the legacy payments industry > puzzle. > > > - An elegant, powerful API makes it quick and easy to integrate with > Stripe. (See what developers are saying > .) > > > - Complete freedom to create the payment experience you want?your site > or app, your workflow, your brand. > > > - You can charge your users however you want: one-time purchases, > subscriptions, metered billing, and event-based charges are all > straightforward with our flexible API. > > > - Competitive, crystal-clear pricing. We charge you one rate for each > successful transaction. There are no additional charges for failed > transactions, American Express cards, international cards, stored cards, or > recurring payments. It's easy to understand, easy to project, and without > any surprises. (More about pricing .) > > > - We shoulder the PCI compliance burden by ensuring that you never > need to handle sensitive card data. (Learn more about PCI and our > approach .) > > > - Rapid help from real people. Jump into our real-time community chat for > immediate assistance from Stripe staff and our growing community of users, > or email us for a fast, personal > response. > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: > On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > > > Credit card swipers just act like a keyboard input. You would listen for > the keys being pressed, build up the data, then when the return character > comes in you process the text. > > > > > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller wrote: > > > >> I need a way to process a swiped credit card through Rev. The user is > interacting via a touch screen (no keyboard or mouse). Just need to process > the card info... no address info. The card swipe unit is attached to a > portable Windows device which connects to the web via wireless (in public), > so the whole process must be secure. > > > There is a bit more to credit card processing if you want to be PCI > compliant. In short, the swiper would provide you an encrypted > transaction. You then pass this on to a PCI compliant processor. They can > decrypt the record and respond to you with a yes or no on the transaction. > You need to have a gateway to a processor and a merchant account to > receive the funds. > > > Best regards, > > Mark Talluto > canelasoftware.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From skip at magicgate.com Mon Feb 25 17:51:51 2013 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:51:51 -0500 Subject: LC and credit card processing In-Reply-To: References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> <884BB6DC-9257-4D0E-B68E-0BF7A24C9089@verizon.net> <57491024-E3F2-4198-9902-CFE4CB5768BC@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: But can Stripe integrate with card swiping hardware and provide the merchant with the "card present" rate? SKIP On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > That's the benefit of using Stripe in this situation. Stripe takes the > place of a traditional gateway/processor/merchant account setup. > > From their FAQ, > > Why is Stripe better than the other options I'm > considering? > > Glad you asked! Here are some reasons that others have chosen Stripe: > > > > - Stripe is the only payments service you'll need. You won't need to > > find and work with a separate merchant account provider, gateway, > > subscriptions manager, or any other piece of the legacy payments > industry > > puzzle. > > > > > > - An elegant, powerful API makes it quick and easy to integrate with > > Stripe. (See what developers are saying< > https://twitter.com/#!/search/stripe%20api> > > .) > > > > > > - Complete freedom to create the payment experience you want?your site > > or app, your workflow, your brand. > > > > > > - You can charge your users however you want: one-time purchases, > > subscriptions, metered billing, and event-based charges are all > > straightforward with our flexible API. > > > > > > - Competitive, crystal-clear pricing. We charge you one rate for each > > successful transaction. There are no additional charges for failed > > transactions, American Express cards, international cards, stored > cards, or > > recurring payments. It's easy to understand, easy to project, and > without > > any surprises. (More about pricing >.) > > > > > > - We shoulder the PCI compliance burden by ensuring that you never > > need to handle sensitive card data. (Learn more about PCI and our > > approach .) > > > > > > - Rapid help from real people. Jump into our real-time community chat< > https://stripe.com/chat> for > > immediate assistance from Stripe staff and our growing community of > users, > > or email us for a fast, personal > > response. > > > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Mark Talluto >wrote: > > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > > > > > Credit card swipers just act like a keyboard input. You would listen > for > > the keys being pressed, build up the data, then when the return character > > comes in you process the text. > > > > > > > > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller wrote: > > > > > >> I need a way to process a swiped credit card through Rev. The user is > > interacting via a touch screen (no keyboard or mouse). Just need to > process > > the card info... no address info. The card swipe unit is attached to a > > portable Windows device which connects to the web via wireless (in > public), > > so the whole process must be secure. > > > > > > There is a bit more to credit card processing if you want to be PCI > > compliant. In short, the swiper would provide you an encrypted > > transaction. You then pass this on to a PCI compliant processor. They > can > > decrypt the record and respond to you with a yes or no on the > transaction. > > You need to have a gateway to a processor and a merchant account to > > receive the funds. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Mark Talluto > > canelasoftware.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > andrew at ctech.me > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon Feb 25 17:56:02 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:56:02 -0800 Subject: LC and credit card processing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This looks really cool, Andrew, thanks for sharing. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 2/25/13 2:48 PM, "Andrew Kluthe" wrote: >That's the benefit of using Stripe in this situation. Stripe takes the >place of a traditional gateway/processor/merchant account setup. > >From their FAQ, > >Why is Stripe better than the other options I'm >considering? >> Glad you asked! Here are some reasons that others have chosen Stripe: >> >> - Stripe is the only payments service you'll need. You won't need to >> find and work with a separate merchant account provider, gateway, >> subscriptions manager, or any other piece of the legacy payments >>industry >> puzzle. >> >> >> - An elegant, powerful API makes it quick and easy to integrate with >> Stripe. (See what developers are >>saying >> .) >> >> >> - Complete freedom to create the payment experience you want?your >>site >> or app, your workflow, your brand. >> >> >> - You can charge your users however you want: one-time purchases, >> subscriptions, metered billing, and event-based charges are all >> straightforward with our flexible API. >> >> >> - Competitive, crystal-clear pricing. We charge you one rate for each >> successful transaction. There are no additional charges for failed >> transactions, American Express cards, international cards, stored >>cards, or >> recurring payments. It's easy to understand, easy to project, and >>without >> any surprises. (More about pricing >>.) >> >> >> - We shoulder the PCI compliance burden by ensuring that you never >> need to handle sensitive card data. (Learn more about PCI and our >> approach .) >> >> >> - Rapid help from real people. Jump into our real-time community >>chat for >> immediate assistance from Stripe staff and our growing community of >>users, >> or email us for a fast, personal >> response. >> >> >On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Mark Talluto >wrote: > >> On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: >> >> > Credit card swipers just act like a keyboard input. You would listen >>for >> the keys being pressed, build up the data, then when the return >>character >> comes in you process the text. >> > >> > >> > On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller wrote: >> > >> >> I need a way to process a swiped credit card through Rev. The user is >> interacting via a touch screen (no keyboard or mouse). Just need to >>process >> the card info... no address info. The card swipe unit is attached to a >> portable Windows device which connects to the web via wireless (in >>public), >> so the whole process must be secure. >> >> >> There is a bit more to credit card processing if you want to be PCI >> compliant. In short, the swiper would provide you an encrypted >> transaction. You then pass this on to a PCI compliant processor. They >>can >> decrypt the record and respond to you with a yes or no on the >>transaction. >> You need to have a gateway to a processor and a merchant account to >> receive the funds. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Talluto >> canelasoftware.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > >-- >Regards, > >Andrew Kluthe >andrew at ctech.me >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From livfoss at mac.com Mon Feb 25 18:24:53 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:24:53 +0100 Subject: Making icons for desktop apps? Message-ID: <933CC60A-2988-4EC4-8303-8B6D1C3BBDE4@mac.com> What do LiveCoders use to make icons these days? Is there one program that can handle both Windows and Mac that anyone would recommend? IconWorkshop is a Windows program that apparently does everything, but it's fairly pricey. At the other end of the scale there are free icon editors, some of which I've used, but I'm looking for a cheap yet trouble-free solution that is up to date for both platforms. Or two separate programs, I suppose. TIA for any opinions Graham From skip at magicgate.com Mon Feb 25 18:27:24 2013 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:27:24 -0500 Subject: LC and credit card processing In-Reply-To: <512BD1DE.80007@together.net> References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> <884BB6DC-9257-4D0E-B68E-0BF7A24C9089@verizon.net> <512BD1DE.80007@together.net> Message-ID: Richard.... I just checked and Stripe does not interface with any known hardware: https://stripe.com/us/help/faq#who-should-not-use-stripe Now, you can do as Colin says and just use the hardware swiper that you have as an input device, however, there is a difference in credit card rates from a "card present" to manually entered in information and Stripe does not give you that option.... If you want a really robust solution with the best possible rate, I think the Authroize.net solution might be what you need. Having said that, there is a bit of a learning curve. I once did TONS of this kind of stuff in Director..... SKIP On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Richard Miller wrote: > I understand how card swiper's work. No issue there. It's the cc > processing solution I need solutions for. > > Andrew... thanks for the Stripe suggestion. I'll look into it. > > Richard > > > > > > > On 2/25/13 4:00 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> Credit card swipers just act like a keyboard input. You would listen for >> the keys being pressed, build up the data, then when the return character >> comes in you process the text. >> >> >> On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller wrote: >> >> I need a way to process a swiped credit card through Rev. The user is >>> interacting via a touch screen (no keyboard or mouse). Just need to process >>> the card info... no address info. The card swipe unit is attached to a >>> portable Windows device which connects to the web via wireless (in public), >>> so the whole process must be secure. >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From wow at together.net Mon Feb 25 18:38:18 2013 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:38:18 -0500 Subject: LC and credit card processing In-Reply-To: References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> <884BB6DC-9257-4D0E-B68E-0BF7A24C9089@verizon.net> <512BD1DE.80007@together.net> Message-ID: <512BF5EA.8070203@together.net> I had put together a Rev/Authorize.net solution together a years ago. It worked fine, but took a fair bit of work to construct. I would need to set up a new authorize account and merchant processor, as well as SSL certificates. I know it can be done. I was just hoping there was a better (read: easier) solution by now for Rev. Meaning, collect the info from the card reader (which is easy), then feed that data into a preset Rev solution to get it processed. On 2/25/13 6:27 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote: > Richard.... I just checked and Stripe does not interface with any known > hardware: > https://stripe.com/us/help/faq#who-should-not-use-stripe > > Now, you can do as Colin says and just use the hardware swiper that you > have as an input device, however, there is a difference in credit card > rates from a "card present" to manually entered in information and Stripe > does not give you that option.... If you want a really robust solution with > the best possible rate, I think the Authroize.net solution might be what > you need. Having said that, there is a bit of a learning curve. I once > did TONS of this kind of stuff in Director..... > > SKIP > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Richard Miller wrote: > >> I understand how card swiper's work. No issue there. It's the cc >> processing solution I need solutions for. >> >> Andrew... thanks for the Stripe suggestion. I'll look into it. >> >> Richard >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2/25/13 4:00 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: >> >>> Credit card swipers just act like a keyboard input. You would listen for >>> the keys being pressed, build up the data, then when the return character >>> comes in you process the text. >>> >>> >>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller wrote: >>> >>> I need a way to process a swiped credit card through Rev. The user is >>>> interacting via a touch screen (no keyboard or mouse). Just need to process >>>> the card info... no address info. The card swipe unit is attached to a >>>> portable Windows device which connects to the web via wireless (in public), >>>> so the whole process must be secure. >>>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jhj at jhj.com Mon Feb 25 18:40:36 2013 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:40:36 -0800 Subject: LC and credit card processing In-Reply-To: <57491024-E3F2-4198-9902-CFE4CB5768BC@canelasoftware.com> References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> <884BB6DC-9257-4D0E-B68E-0BF7A24C9089@verizon.net> <57491024-E3F2-4198-9902-CFE4CB5768BC@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: > On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> Credit card swipers just act like a keyboard input. You would listen for the keys being pressed, build up the data, then when the return character comes in you process the text. >> >> >> On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller wrote: >> >>> I need a way to process a swiped credit card through Rev. The user is interacting via a touch screen (no keyboard or mouse). Just need to process the card info... no address info. The card swipe unit is attached to a portable Windows device which connects to the web via wireless (in public), so the whole process must be secure. > > > There is a bit more to credit card processing if you want to be PCI compliant. In short, the swiper would provide you an encrypted transaction. You then pass this on to a PCI compliant processor. They can decrypt the record and respond to you with a yes or no on the transaction. You need to have a gateway to a processor and a merchant account to receive the funds. We had a problem with PCI compliance for a web site taking credit card orders. It was hosted at on-rev. Rather than solve the problems, it was easier to move the site to a host that guarantees PCI compliance. PCI compliance is a nightmare best left to those who have already accomplished it. .Jerry From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Mon Feb 25 19:03:13 2013 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 01:03:13 +0100 Subject: Making icons for desktop apps? In-Reply-To: <933CC60A-2988-4EC4-8303-8B6D1C3BBDE4@mac.com> References: <933CC60A-2988-4EC4-8303-8B6D1C3BBDE4@mac.com> Message-ID: Graham, i am using Axialis IconWorkshop since version 3, if i remember right. I am working completely on Mac, but IconWorkshop is one of 3 tools i am still using on windows. Not on a Windows computer, but on a virtual machine. You are right, it is a little bit pricey. But you get a lifetime license. All future upgrades are free. And there will be upgrades. Aixialis extended its feature set with every new version. I really can recommend it. Regards, Matthias Am 26.02.2013 um 00:24 schrieb Graham Samuel : > What do LiveCoders use to make icons these days? Is there one program that can handle both Windows and Mac that anyone would recommend? IconWorkshop is a Windows program that apparently does everything, but it's fairly pricey. At the other end of the scale there are free icon editors, some of which I've used, but I'm looking for a cheap yet trouble-free solution that is up to date for both platforms. Or two separate programs, I suppose. > > TIA for any opinions > > Graham > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From andrew at ctech.me Mon Feb 25 19:06:54 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:06:54 -0600 Subject: LC and credit card processing In-Reply-To: References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> <884BB6DC-9257-4D0E-B68E-0BF7A24C9089@verizon.net> <57491024-E3F2-4198-9902-CFE4CB5768BC@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: I do not believe so. It's not the best solution for everyone, but it was the most *painless* solution I have used. Andrew On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel < skip at magicgate.com> wrote: > But can Stripe integrate with card swiping hardware and provide the > merchant with the "card present" rate? > > SKIP > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > > That's the benefit of using Stripe in this situation. Stripe takes the > > place of a traditional gateway/processor/merchant account setup. > > > > From their FAQ, > > > > Why is Stripe better than the other options I'm > > considering? > > > Glad you asked! Here are some reasons that others have chosen Stripe: > > > > > > - Stripe is the only payments service you'll need. You won't need to > > > find and work with a separate merchant account provider, gateway, > > > subscriptions manager, or any other piece of the legacy payments > > industry > > > puzzle. > > > > > > > > > - An elegant, powerful API makes it quick and easy to integrate with > > > Stripe. (See what developers are saying< > > https://twitter.com/#!/search/stripe%20api> > > > .) > > > > > > > > > - Complete freedom to create the payment experience you want?your > site > > > or app, your workflow, your brand. > > > > > > > > > - You can charge your users however you want: one-time purchases, > > > subscriptions, metered billing, and event-based charges are all > > > straightforward with our flexible API. > > > > > > > > > - Competitive, crystal-clear pricing. We charge you one rate for > each > > > successful transaction. There are no additional charges for failed > > > transactions, American Express cards, international cards, stored > > cards, or > > > recurring payments. It's easy to understand, easy to project, and > > without > > > any surprises. (More about pricing > >.) > > > > > > > > > - We shoulder the PCI compliance burden by ensuring that you never > > > need to handle sensitive card data. (Learn more about PCI and our > > > approach .) > > > > > > > > > - Rapid help from real people. Jump into our real-time community > chat< > > https://stripe.com/chat> for > > > immediate assistance from Stripe staff and our growing community of > > users, > > > or email us for a fast, personal > > > response. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Mark Talluto > >wrote: > > > > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > > > > > > > Credit card swipers just act like a keyboard input. You would listen > > for > > > the keys being pressed, build up the data, then when the return > character > > > comes in you process the text. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller > wrote: > > > > > > > >> I need a way to process a swiped credit card through Rev. The user > is > > > interacting via a touch screen (no keyboard or mouse). Just need to > > process > > > the card info... no address info. The card swipe unit is attached to a > > > portable Windows device which connects to the web via wireless (in > > public), > > > so the whole process must be secure. > > > > > > > > > There is a bit more to credit card processing if you want to be PCI > > > compliant. In short, the swiper would provide you an encrypted > > > transaction. You then pass this on to a PCI compliant processor. They > > can > > > decrypt the record and respond to you with a yes or no on the > > transaction. > > > You need to have a gateway to a processor and a merchant account to > > > receive the funds. > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Mark Talluto > > > canelasoftware.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Andrew Kluthe > > andrew at ctech.me > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From dfepstein at comcast.net Mon Feb 25 19:14:48 2013 From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 19:14:48 -0500 Subject: Copying fields sometimes doesn't copy their content. But when? Message-ID: <6569005D-6F81-429C-AD7E-8DFAAB4FA73C@comcast.net> Many thanks to Jacqueline for providing the master key to this question. By trial and error, I think I have confirmed this rule: "Copy to " will include the text of the field(s) in the new copy ONLY if (a) the sharedText property of the field is TRUE, or (b) the field is on the card that is or includes the destination, or (c) the field is on, and destination is or is on, the first card of a stack. Note that if you copy a field via the clipboard, the paste command will include the text of the field regardless of the sharedText property. The dictionary does not mention this effect of the "sharedText" property, saying (what is not strictly true) that "If the field is a card field (not part of a group), its sharedText property has no effect." I can add a user-contributed note there, and to the copy command entry, unless someone determines that my findings are incorrect. David Epstein From wow at together.net Mon Feb 25 19:32:35 2013 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 19:32:35 -0500 Subject: LC and credit card processing In-Reply-To: References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> <884BB6DC-9257-4D0E-B68E-0BF7A24C9089@verizon.net> <57491024-E3F2-4198-9902-CFE4CB5768BC@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: <512C02A3.2000806@together.net> All I want to do is capture the cc data as it comes off the card's stripe (as Colin says... converted into simple data through Rev), encrypt this data, then send it somewhere for processing and deposit into my account... with a result returned. I'd prefer avoiding any additional setup or coding (such as the need for server processing on my end). I don't care if it costs more to keep it simple. My application is not cost sensitive. Will Stripe fit this bill? I can't quite tell after an initial review of the site. Thanks. Richard On 2/25/13 7:06 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > I do not believe so. It's not the best solution for everyone, but it was > the most *painless* solution I have used. > > Andrew > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel < > skip at magicgate.com> wrote: > >> But can Stripe integrate with card swiping hardware and provide the >> merchant with the "card present" rate? >> >> SKIP >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: >> >>> That's the benefit of using Stripe in this situation. Stripe takes the >>> place of a traditional gateway/processor/merchant account setup. >>> >>> From their FAQ, >>> >>> Why is Stripe better than the other options I'm >>> considering? >>>> Glad you asked! Here are some reasons that others have chosen Stripe: >>>> >>>> - Stripe is the only payments service you'll need. You won't need to >>>> find and work with a separate merchant account provider, gateway, >>>> subscriptions manager, or any other piece of the legacy payments >>> industry >>>> puzzle. >>>> >>>> >>>> - An elegant, powerful API makes it quick and easy to integrate with >>>> Stripe. (See what developers are saying< >>> https://twitter.com/#!/search/stripe%20api> >>>> .) >>>> >>>> >>>> - Complete freedom to create the payment experience you want?your >> site >>>> or app, your workflow, your brand. >>>> >>>> >>>> - You can charge your users however you want: one-time purchases, >>>> subscriptions, metered billing, and event-based charges are all >>>> straightforward with our flexible API. >>>> >>>> >>>> - Competitive, crystal-clear pricing. We charge you one rate for >> each >>>> successful transaction. There are no additional charges for failed >>>> transactions, American Express cards, international cards, stored >>> cards, or >>>> recurring payments. It's easy to understand, easy to project, and >>> without >>>> any surprises. (More about pricing >>> .) >>>> >>>> >>>> - We shoulder the PCI compliance burden by ensuring that you never >>>> need to handle sensitive card data. (Learn more about PCI and our >>>> approach .) >>>> >>>> >>>> - Rapid help from real people. Jump into our real-time community >> chat< >>> https://stripe.com/chat> for >>>> immediate assistance from Stripe staff and our growing community of >>> users, >>>> or email us for a fast, personal >>>> response. >>>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Mark Talluto >>> wrote: >>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: >>>> >>>>> Credit card swipers just act like a keyboard input. You would listen >>> for >>>> the keys being pressed, build up the data, then when the return >> character >>>> comes in you process the text. >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller >> wrote: >>>>>> I need a way to process a swiped credit card through Rev. The user >> is >>>> interacting via a touch screen (no keyboard or mouse). Just need to >>> process >>>> the card info... no address info. The card swipe unit is attached to a >>>> portable Windows device which connects to the web via wireless (in >>> public), >>>> so the whole process must be secure. >>>> >>>> >>>> There is a bit more to credit card processing if you want to be PCI >>>> compliant. In short, the swiper would provide you an encrypted >>>> transaction. You then pass this on to a PCI compliant processor. They >>> can >>>> decrypt the record and respond to you with a yes or no on the >>> transaction. >>>> You need to have a gateway to a processor and a merchant account to >>>> receive the funds. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Mark Talluto >>>> canelasoftware.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Andrew Kluthe >>> andrew at ctech.me >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 25 19:36:45 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:36:45 -0600 Subject: Making icons for desktop apps? In-Reply-To: <933CC60A-2988-4EC4-8303-8B6D1C3BBDE4@mac.com> References: <933CC60A-2988-4EC4-8303-8B6D1C3BBDE4@mac.com> Message-ID: <512C039D.3090407@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/25/13 5:24 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: > What do LiveCoders use to make icons these days? Is there one program > that can handle both Windows and Mac that anyone would recommend? > IconWorkshop is a Windows program that apparently does everything, > but it's fairly pricey. At the other end of the scale there are free > icon editors, some of which I've used, but I'm looking for a cheap > yet trouble-free solution that is up to date for both platforms. Or > two separate programs, I suppose. I use Graphic Converter mostly. It does all the Mac sizes. It does most of the Windows sizes. Usually that's enough. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From gerry.orkin at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 19:47:18 2013 From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:47:18 +1100 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Good plan. That's 12:30am Eastern Time, I believe... Gerry On 26/02/2013, at 9:37 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Hi Folks > > Well I for one want to pop a cork when this things over... or drown my miseries.. either way it would be nice not to be so isolated from the rest of you. By reckoning my we end on the 28th at 11:30AM GMT. So... how about we hangout here: https://plus.google.com/events/c9ps7jck84e2gfpt7s1orn2e1os > > Cheers > > Monte > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Mon Feb 25 20:55:47 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:55:47 +1300 Subject: Kickstarter: Donations tax deductible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not unless RunRev are a registered charity in the USA (not likely). In fact, If I remember rightly, Kickstarter won't accept charity projects. Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, stephen barncard < stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > Is there a US tax advantage in making large pledges? > > sqb > > -- > - ! - > > > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco Ca. USA > * * > > more about sqb > > > > -- > > > > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco Ca. USA > > more about sqb > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From shawnlivecode at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 21:02:08 2013 From: shawnlivecode at gmail.com (Shawn Blc) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:02:08 -0600 Subject: Kickstarter: Donations tax deductible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't see why you couldn't deduct a software license as a business expense. However, it's definitely not a charitable donation. On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Not unless RunRev are a registered charity in the USA (not likely). > > In fact, If I remember rightly, Kickstarter won't accept charity projects. > > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, stephen barncard < > stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > > > Is there a US tax advantage in making large pledges? > > > > sqb > > > > -- > > - ! - > > > > > > Stephen Barncard > > San Francisco Ca. USA > > * * > > > > more about sqb > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Stephen Barncard > > San Francisco Ca. USA > > > > more about sqb > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 25 21:03:21 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:03:21 -0500 Subject: Kickstarter: Donations tax deductible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Would it need to be a charity? For example, when I do my taxes this time I'm going to be claiming the money I spent on the RunRev conference and on my complete license. Wouldn't the Kickstarter payment be a mixture of investment and product purchasing? On Feb 25, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Not unless RunRev are a registered charity in the USA (not likely). > > In fact, If I remember rightly, Kickstarter won't accept charity projects. From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Mon Feb 25 21:04:19 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:04:19 -0500 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: For the more adventurous, why not meet in a 3D virtual world? I don't have a Google + account, but Second Life is a great and free way to experience a gathering of people. It can even recreate real world places. http://secondlife.com/destinations/real Sent from my Pipo M2 On Feb 25, 2013 5:33 PM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: > Hi Folks > > Well I for one want to pop a cork when this things over... or drown my > miseries.. either way it would be nice not to be so isolated from the rest > of you. By reckoning my we end on the 28th at 11:30AM GMT. So... how about > we hangout here: > https://plus.google.com/events/c9ps7jck84e2gfpt7s1orn2e1os > > Cheers > > Monte > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From shawnlivecode at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 21:06:59 2013 From: shawnlivecode at gmail.com (Shawn Blc) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:06:59 -0600 Subject: Kickstarter: Donations tax deductible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you're in the US it's a business expense. On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Would it need to be a charity? For example, when I do my taxes this time > I'm going to be claiming the money I spent on the RunRev conference and on > my complete license. Wouldn't the Kickstarter payment be a mixture of > investment and product purchasing? > > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > Not unless RunRev are a registered charity in the USA (not likely). > > > > In fact, If I remember rightly, Kickstarter won't accept charity > projects. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 25 21:14:33 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:14:33 -0600 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/25/13 8:04 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > For the more adventurous, why not meet in a 3D virtual world? I don't have > a Google + account, but Second Life is a great and free way to experience a > gathering of people. It can even recreate real world places. > > http://secondlife.com/destinations/real I wonder how many listers are there and won't admit it. I'll fess up. In fact, I'll provide the party site. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From coiin at verizon.net Mon Feb 25 21:15:08 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:15:08 -0500 Subject: another article Message-ID: Not from me, don't know who instigated this one: http://gigaom.com/2013/02/25/kickstarter-campaign-for-new-age-hypercard-development-app-wraps-up/ From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Mon Feb 25 21:21:58 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:21:58 -0500 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Sounds like you know your way around SL. Do you have virtual land, or do you have a specific place in mind? Sent from my Pipo M2 On Feb 25, 2013 9:15 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > On 2/25/13 8:04 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > >> For the more adventurous, why not meet in a 3D virtual world? I don't have >> a Google + account, but Second Life is a great and free way to experience >> a >> gathering of people. It can even recreate real world places. >> >> http://secondlife.com/**destinations/real >> > > I wonder how many listers are there and won't admit it. I'll fess up. In > fact, I'll provide the party site. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 25 21:31:44 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:31:44 +1100 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <41D9260A-0211-42A5-B718-C50683B48B20@sweattechnologies.com> So the cool kids aren't coming to my party... nice... it's like high school all over again On 26/02/2013, at 1:21 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > Sounds like you know your way around SL. Do you have virtual land, or do > you have a specific place in mind? > > Sent from my Pipo M2 > On Feb 25, 2013 9:15 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > >> On 2/25/13 8:04 PM, Roger Eller wrote: >> >>> For the more adventurous, why not meet in a 3D virtual world? I don't have >>> a Google + account, but Second Life is a great and free way to experience >>> a >>> gathering of people. It can even recreate real world places. >>> >>> http://secondlife.com/**destinations/real >>> >> >> I wonder how many listers are there and won't admit it. I'll fess up. In >> fact, I'll provide the party site. >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Mon Feb 25 21:32:59 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:32:59 -0500 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: <41D9260A-0211-42A5-B718-C50683B48B20@sweattechnologies.com> References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> <41D9260A-0211-42A5-B718-C50683B48B20@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: We have "honorary cool kid" badges. ;-) Sent from my Pipo M2 On Feb 25, 2013 9:27 PM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: > So the cool kids aren't coming to my party... nice... it's like high > school all over again > > On 26/02/2013, at 1:21 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > > > Sounds like you know your way around SL. Do you have virtual land, or do > > you have a specific place in mind? > > > > Sent from my Pipo M2 > > On Feb 25, 2013 9:15 PM, "J. Landman Gay" > wrote: > > > >> On 2/25/13 8:04 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > >> > >>> For the more adventurous, why not meet in a 3D virtual world? I don't > have > >>> a Google + account, but Second Life is a great and free way to > experience > >>> a > >>> gathering of people. It can even recreate real world places. > >>> > >>> http://secondlife.com/**destinations/real< > http://secondlife.com/destinations/real> > >>> > >> > >> I wonder how many listers are there and won't admit it. I'll fess up. In > >> fact, I'll provide the party site. > >> > >> -- > >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode< > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 25 21:39:28 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:39:28 -0600 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/25/13 8:21 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > Sounds like you know your way around SL. Do you have virtual land, or do > you have a specific place in mind? Three of us rent about a quarter of a private island. I've built it up from scratch and it's awfully pretty if I do say so myself. I scripted a few custom things, some of which I won't sell, and others that I list in the marketplace. Those pay the rent, so I don't have to put in any money to keep the place. It's been self-sustaining for about three years. Monte, it's free to sign up. If you come, maybe others will too. But do try it the day before so you can get through the initial orientation and learn how to walk. Flying is optional. I know there are at least 3 of us on SL. Bet there's more. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon Feb 25 21:42:20 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:42:20 -0800 Subject: Bay Area Meetup Message-ID: <5059BA25-5E75-4F9B-93A5-25584699A7C8@tactilemedia.com> Hi All: We've set up a google hangout for our event that you *might* be able to connect to if you have a gmail address and plus account: http://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/google.com/42535777 It's smoke and mirrors... Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From gerry.orkin at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 21:48:48 2013 From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:48:48 +1100 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Years ago I advised a masters student who was writing her thesis on community formation in Second Life. She did a couple of academic presentations there, to an audience of bemused furries, superheros and southern belles. It was hysterical. Didn't realise it was still operating :) Gerry On 26/02/2013, at 1:39 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/25/13 8:21 PM, Roger Eller wrote: >> Sounds like you know your way around SL. Do you have virtual land, or do >> you have a specific place in mind? > > Three of us rent about a quarter of a private island. I've built it up from scratch and it's awfully pretty if I do say so myself. I scripted a few custom things, some of which I won't sell, and others that I list in the marketplace. Those pay the rent, so I don't have to put in any money to keep the place. It's been self-sustaining for about three years. > > Monte, it's free to sign up. If you come, maybe others will too. But do try it the day before so you can get through the initial orientation and learn how to walk. Flying is optional. > > I know there are at least 3 of us on SL. Bet there's more. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From gerry.orkin at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 21:49:40 2013 From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:49:40 +1100 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Ooops, and I meant to say...I'd prefer a hangout than to have to re-join SL... Gerry On 26/02/2013, at 1:48 PM, Gerry Orkin wrote: > Years ago I advised a masters student who was writing her thesis on community formation in Second Life. She did a couple of academic presentations there, to an audience of bemused furries, superheros and southern belles. It was hysterical. Didn't realise it was still operating :) > > Gerry From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Mon Feb 25 21:50:17 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:50:17 -0500 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I am excited to see what you've built. Please send a teleport url, (time travel optional). Sent from my Pipo M2 On Feb 25, 2013 9:39 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > On 2/25/13 8:21 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > >> Sounds like you know your way around SL. Do you have virtual land, or do >> you have a specific place in mind? >> > > Three of us rent about a quarter of a private island. I've built it up > from scratch and it's awfully pretty if I do say so myself. I scripted a > few custom things, some of which I won't sell, and others that I list in > the marketplace. Those pay the rent, so I don't have to put in any money to > keep the place. It's been self-sustaining for about three years. > > Monte, it's free to sign up. If you come, maybe others will too. But do > try it the day before so you can get through the initial orientation and > learn how to walk. Flying is optional. > > I know there are at least 3 of us on SL. Bet there's more. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 25 21:59:51 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:59:51 +1100 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1A398AB7-6676-488B-9F97-0FE10C799DC8@sweattechnologies.com> On 26/02/2013, at 1:49 PM, Gerry Orkin wrote: > Ooops, and I meant to say...I'd prefer a hangout than to have to re-join SL... Yeah, I think it's likely to gain a bit more traction as a hangout. Less jumping through hoops to get involved anyway... -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Mon Feb 25 21:56:59 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:56:59 -0500 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I see there are two hangouts posted so far. Sent from my Pipo M2 From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Mon Feb 25 22:01:41 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:01:41 -0500 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: <1A398AB7-6676-488B-9F97-0FE10C799DC8@sweattechnologies.com> References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> <1A398AB7-6676-488B-9F97-0FE10C799DC8@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: C'mon Monte, go ahead and bang out a hangout to SL bridge external. ;-p Sent from my Pipo M2 On Feb 25, 2013 9:55 PM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: > > On 26/02/2013, at 1:49 PM, Gerry Orkin wrote: > > > Ooops, and I meant to say...I'd prefer a hangout than to have to re-join > SL... > > Yeah, I think it's likely to gain a bit more traction as a hangout. Less > jumping through hoops to get involved anyway... > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 25 22:12:07 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:12:07 +1100 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> <1A398AB7-6676-488B-9F97-0FE10C799DC8@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <9175423E-6109-44CF-8AA8-9B77B3FAA669@sweattechnologies.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znZ9H-tzKxY On 26/02/2013, at 2:01 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > C'mon Monte, go ahead and bang out a hangout to SL bridge external. ;-p -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 25 22:14:56 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:14:56 -0600 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <512C28B0.6030900@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/25/13 8:49 PM, Gerry Orkin wrote: > Ooops, and I meant to say...I'd prefer a hangout than to have to re-join SL... If you had a free account you don't have to re-join. They never delete those. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Mon Feb 25 22:19:06 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:19:06 -0500 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: <9175423E-6109-44CF-8AA8-9B77B3FAA669@sweattechnologies.com> References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> <1A398AB7-6676-488B-9F97-0FE10C799DC8@sweattechnologies.com> <9175423E-6109-44CF-8AA8-9B77B3FAA669@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Not bad. Pretty cool actually. Sent from my Pipo M2 On Feb 25, 2013 10:08 PM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znZ9H-tzKxY > > On 26/02/2013, at 2:01 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > > > C'mon Monte, go ahead and bang out a hangout to SL bridge external. ;-p > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Feb 25 22:30:11 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:30:11 -0600 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <512C2C43.8000507@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/25/13 8:50 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > I am excited to see what you've built. Please send a teleport url, (time > travel optional). I'll let you know eventually. It's been a long time between visits lately. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon Feb 25 22:55:28 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:55:28 -0500 Subject: Modal vs modeless Message-ID: <45295654-2966-440E-85A2-595BAA0F2534@mac.com> I seem to be forgetting a bunch of stuff lately. Anyway, I want to use a modal type dialog with full decorations but when I modal a stack I get nothing at all. I don't remember that being the case. If I modeless a stack I get the decorations but now the end user can click on the window behind this window which I do not want. How do you guys handle that??? Thanks -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 25 23:11:58 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:11:58 +1100 Subject: Modal vs modeless In-Reply-To: <45295654-2966-440E-85A2-595BAA0F2534@mac.com> References: <45295654-2966-440E-85A2-595BAA0F2534@mac.com> Message-ID: That's sure an odd one. What are the decorations of the stack. On 26/02/2013, at 2:55 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I seem to be forgetting a bunch of stuff lately. Anyway, I want to use a modal type dialog with full decorations but when I modal a stack I get nothing at all. I don't remember that being the case. If I modeless a stack I get the decorations but now the end user can click on the window behind this window which I do not want. > > How do you guys handle that??? > > Thanks > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon Feb 25 23:15:50 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:15:50 -0500 Subject: Modal vs modeless In-Reply-To: References: <45295654-2966-440E-85A2-595BAA0F2534@mac.com> Message-ID: title,menu,minimize,maximize,close -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > That's sure an odd one. What are the decorations of the stack. > > On 26/02/2013, at 2:55 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> I seem to be forgetting a bunch of stuff lately. Anyway, I want to use a modal type dialog with full decorations but when I modal a stack I get nothing at all. I don't remember that being the case. If I modeless a stack I get the decorations but now the end user can click on the window behind this window which I do not want. >> >> How do you guys handle that??? >> >> Thanks >> >> -- Tom McGrath III >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> mcgrath3 at mac.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Feb 25 23:29:30 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:29:30 +1100 Subject: Modal vs modeless In-Reply-To: References: <45295654-2966-440E-85A2-595BAA0F2534@mac.com> Message-ID: <8E26FB73-A796-4FBB-B15B-2C507087F186@sweattechnologies.com> hmm... so are you just: modal or are you doing something else?? On 26/02/2013, at 3:15 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > title,menu,minimize,maximize,close > > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> That's sure an odd one. What are the decorations of the stack. >> >> On 26/02/2013, at 2:55 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >> >>> I seem to be forgetting a bunch of stuff lately. Anyway, I want to use a modal type dialog with full decorations but when I modal a stack I get nothing at all. I don't remember that being the case. If I modeless a stack I get the decorations but now the end user can click on the window behind this window which I do not want. >>> >>> How do you guys handle that??? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> -- Tom McGrath III >>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >>> mcgrath3 at mac.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon Feb 25 23:38:22 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:38:22 -0500 Subject: Modal vs modeless In-Reply-To: <8E26FB73-A796-4FBB-B15B-2C507087F186@sweattechnologies.com> References: <45295654-2966-440E-85A2-595BAA0F2534@mac.com> <8E26FB73-A796-4FBB-B15B-2C507087F186@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Nope, just: modal stack "Yadda" -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > hmm... so are you just: > modal > > or are you doing something else?? > On 26/02/2013, at 3:15 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> title,menu,minimize,maximize,close >> >> >> -- Tom McGrath III >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> mcgrath3 at mac.com >> >> On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: >> >>> That's sure an odd one. What are the decorations of the stack. >>> >>> On 26/02/2013, at 2:55 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >>> >>>> I seem to be forgetting a bunch of stuff lately. Anyway, I want to use a modal type dialog with full decorations but when I modal a stack I get nothing at all. I don't remember that being the case. If I modeless a stack I get the decorations but now the end user can click on the window behind this window which I do not want. >>>> >>>> How do you guys handle that??? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> -- Tom McGrath III >>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >>>> mcgrath3 at mac.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> -- >>> M E R Goulding >>> Software development services >>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >>> >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From gerry.orkin at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 23:40:02 2013 From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:40:02 +1100 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: <512C28B0.6030900@hyperactivesw.com> References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> <512C28B0.6030900@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <0EAE3F97-0CDA-4D3E-9C59-05790F739FBF@gmail.com> I'd never remember my log in details. I used an old, non-existent email address, too. Gerry On 26/02/2013, at 2:14 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/25/13 8:49 PM, Gerry Orkin wrote: >> Ooops, and I meant to say...I'd prefer a hangout than to have to re-join SL... > > If you had a free account you don't have to re-join. They never delete those. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 00:01:23 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:01:23 +1100 Subject: in app purchases Message-ID: Howdy A little question for those of you that have implemented in app purchases. The lesson here http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4069/l/48771-How-do-I-implement-in-app-purchases-in-LiveCode- states that mobileEnablePurchaseUpdates and mobileDisablePurchaseUpdates should be turned on and off for each purchsase. However I can only assume that this purchase updates is adding and removing an SKPaymentTransactionObserver and the apple docs seem to indicate you should assign this at startup and leave it alone... Your application should associate an observer with the payment queue when it launches, rather than wait until the user attempts to purchase an item. Transactions are not lost when an application terminates. The next time the application launches, Store Kit resumes processing transactions. Adding the observer during your application?s initialization ensures that all transactions are returned to your application. Anyone got any comments? Also... how interested are people in there being a desktop external for this? Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From davidocoker at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 23:57:19 2013 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:57:19 -0600 Subject: Making icons for desktop apps? In-Reply-To: <933CC60A-2988-4EC4-8303-8B6D1C3BBDE4@mac.com> References: <933CC60A-2988-4EC4-8303-8B6D1C3BBDE4@mac.com> Message-ID: > What do LiveCoders use to make icons these days? Is there one program that can handle both Windows and Mac that anyone would recommend? IconWorkshop is a Windows program that apparently does everything, but it's fairly pricey. At the other end of the scale there are free icon editors, some of which I've used, but I'm looking for a cheap yet trouble-free solution that is up to date for both platforms. Or two separate programs, I suppose. > > TIA for any opinions > > Graham Do a search for the last truly free version of IcoFx for Windows (1.6.4 I think), which I've found to do a good job for both Mac and Win icons.I took a quick look myself and found a copy here: http://www.lupopensuite.com/db/icofx.htm I don't know anything at all about the folks that have made it available, so be sure to take care and do a thorough scan, just to be safe. Regards, David C. From sysman at bigpond.com Tue Feb 26 00:05:40 2013 From: sysman at bigpond.com (Mitchell Duncan) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:05:40 +1100 Subject: Need good USB HID driver for LiveCode under Windows Message-ID: Hi All, Can anyone direct me to a source for a good USB (HID) driver package for windows that I could possible integrate into a LiveCode app? Or .. Is anyone using an already debugged Win USB HID driver in their own LiveCode app? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Cheers, Mitchell From andrew at ctech.me Tue Feb 26 00:27:20 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:27:20 -0600 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: <0EAE3F97-0CDA-4D3E-9C59-05790F739FBF@gmail.com> References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> <512C28B0.6030900@hyperactivesw.com> <0EAE3F97-0CDA-4D3E-9C59-05790F739FBF@gmail.com> Message-ID: I could have second life open on one system and hangout open on another :) hmmm... On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Gerry Orkin wrote: > I'd never remember my log in details. I used an old, non-existent email > address, too. > > Gerry > > > On 26/02/2013, at 2:14 PM, J. Landman Gay > wrote: > > > On 2/25/13 8:49 PM, Gerry Orkin wrote: > >> Ooops, and I meant to say...I'd prefer a hangout than to have to > re-join SL... > > > > If you had a free account you don't have to re-join. They never delete > those. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From pete at lcsql.com Tue Feb 26 00:29:35 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:29:35 +1300 Subject: Kickstarter: Donations tax deductible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's a donation, not a license fee. However, I'm not an accountant so will leave it to the penny pushers to enlighten us :-) Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Shawn Blc wrote: > I don't see why you couldn't deduct a software license as a business > expense. However, it's definitely not a charitable donation. > > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > Not unless RunRev are a registered charity in the USA (not likely). > > > > In fact, If I remember rightly, Kickstarter won't accept charity > projects. > > > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM, stephen barncard < > > stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > > > > > Is there a US tax advantage in making large pledges? > > > > > > sqb > > > > > > -- > > > - ! - > > > > > > > > > Stephen Barncard > > > San Francisco Ca. USA > > > * * > > > > > > more about sqb > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Barncard > > > San Francisco Ca. USA > > > > > > more about sqb > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 00:36:44 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:36:44 +1100 Subject: Kickstarter: Donations tax deductible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <277397F6-CDB9-410F-801E-99CC1F58B22F@sweattechnologies.com> On 26/02/2013, at 4:29 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > It's a donation, not a license fee. However, I'm not an accountant so will > leave it to the penny pushers to enlighten us :-) Hehe... push the button and deal with your accountant and wife/husband later... -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From pete at lcsql.com Tue Feb 26 00:33:11 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:33:11 +1300 Subject: Kickstarter: Donations tax deductible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi COlin, You're not buying anything, you're donating money for which you get something free in return. I think that's how the IRS would treat it if they decided to audit you. Once again though, I'm not an accountant so should probably check with someone of that profession. Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Would it need to be a charity? For example, when I do my taxes this time > I'm going to be claiming the money I spent on the RunRev conference and on > my complete license. Wouldn't the Kickstarter payment be a mixture of > investment and product purchasing? > > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > Not unless RunRev are a registered charity in the USA (not likely). > > > > In fact, If I remember rightly, Kickstarter won't accept charity > projects. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 26 00:35:18 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:35:18 -0600 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <512C1A89.3090405@hyperactivesw.com> <512C2060.4050603@hyperactivesw.com> <512C28B0.6030900@hyperactivesw.com> <0EAE3F97-0CDA-4D3E-9C59-05790F739FBF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512C4996.2030600@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/25/13 11:27 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > I could have second life open on one system and hangout open on another :) > hmmm... Yes! It would be, as they say, the best of both worlds. > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Gerry Orkin wrote: > >> I'd never remember my log in details. I used an old, non-existent email >> address, too. >> >> Gerry >> >> >> On 26/02/2013, at 2:14 PM, J. Landman Gay >> wrote: >> >>> On 2/25/13 8:49 PM, Gerry Orkin wrote: >>>> Ooops, and I meant to say...I'd prefer a hangout than to have to >> re-join SL... >>> >>> If you had a free account you don't have to re-join. They never delete >> those. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From andrew at ctech.me Tue Feb 26 00:39:15 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:39:15 -0600 Subject: LC and credit card processing In-Reply-To: References: <69255ACE-F88D-466A-8892-D72A7C8CAC47@verizon.net> <512BCC53.9030207@together.net> <884BB6DC-9257-4D0E-B68E-0BF7A24C9089@verizon.net> <57491024-E3F2-4198-9902-CFE4CB5768BC@canelasoftware.com> <512C02A3.2000806@together.net> Message-ID: It does exactly that. I have the starts of a stripe library somewhere I think from a while back. I haven't done any payments with it, but it handles auth and what not. Stripe's primary API relies a lot on SSL for encryption en route, and has a pretty nice testing interface. You can test your app with test numbers and simulate different kinds of card errors. It also has webhooks for alerting your own servers to payments, issues, etc if desired. If you are interested I have an idea that I'd like to try to completely flesh out and build this live just before the google+ hangout party late wednesday night/early thursday morning, live on the hangout. Live LiveCoding. :) Even if you find the service not for you it will still be available to myself and some of the community. I wonder if anyone would be willing to pledge some more to the kickstarter for a really nice library. Also, I have been wanting to give Jerry Daniel's new Glass plugin a good test drive. I wonder if he would add a few more dollars to his pledge for the pr. hmm. Andrew From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue Feb 26 01:06:04 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 06:06:04 +0000 Subject: Modal vs modeless In-Reply-To: References: <45295654-2966-440E-85A2-595BAA0F2534@mac.com> <8E26FB73-A796-4FBB-B15B-2C507087F186@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0103117F@Peas2.byu.local> I don't think modal stacks have decorations. It's determined by the OS on both Mac and Windows. See http://livecode.byu.edu/stackwindows/stacks.php. Scroll down to the Modal section. HTH Devin On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Nope, just: modal stack "Yadda" > > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> hmm... so are you just: >> modal >> >> or are you doing something else?? >> On 26/02/2013, at 3:15 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >> >>> title,menu,minimize,maximize,close >>> >>> >>> -- Tom McGrath III >>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >>> mcgrath3 at mac.com >>> >>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: >>> >>>> That's sure an odd one. What are the decorations of the stack. >>>> >>>> On 26/02/2013, at 2:55 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >>>> >>>>> I seem to be forgetting a bunch of stuff lately. Anyway, I want to use a modal type dialog with full decorations but when I modal a stack I get nothing at all. I don't remember that being the case. If I modeless a stack I get the decorations but now the end user can click on the window behind this window which I do not want. >>>>> >>>>> How do you guys handle that??? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> -- Tom McGrath III >>>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >>>>> mcgrath3 at mac.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> -- >>>> M E R Goulding >>>> Software development services >>>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >>>> >>>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 03:58:06 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:58:06 +1100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Over_=A3300k!?= Message-ID: <98FF812C-9D95-4A46-ADE8-1BCB354AA8A7@sweattechnologies.com> Wow, what a day on the campaign! A special shout out to David Empson who made my day by bumping his pledge and pushing us over the ?300k mark with over 48 hours to go. If we can repeat the last 48 hours we will be home with some possible stretch goals. I'm busting to find out what the first one is and what the target is for that!!! Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From pete at lcsql.com Tue Feb 26 03:58:51 2013 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:58:51 +1300 Subject: Modal vs modeless In-Reply-To: References: <45295654-2966-440E-85A2-595BAA0F2534@mac.com> Message-ID: I've had this happen to me. I think the key is to have the decorations set to "default". If I remember correctly, you'll have to type that in to the Inspector pallette Decorations field. Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > That's sure an odd one. What are the decorations of the stack. > > On 26/02/2013, at 2:55 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > > > I seem to be forgetting a bunch of stuff lately. Anyway, I want to use a > modal type dialog with full decorations but when I modal a stack I get > nothing at all. I don't remember that being the case. If I modeless a stack > I get the decorations but now the end user can click on the window behind > this window which I do not want. > > > > How do you guys handle that??? > > > > Thanks > > > > -- Tom McGrath III > > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk Tue Feb 26 04:24:12 2013 From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:24:12 +0000 Subject: Kickstarter: Donations tax deductible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe RunRev can help out here by following this example to provide receipts for KickStarter donations once the project is funded? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1872362369/first-season-of-the-los-angeles-new-court-theatre/posts/190933 That would make... Donation + Reward = Consideration + Product = Purchase of software / event, etc All allowable business expenses (at least in the UK). Best, Keith.. On 26 Feb 2013, at 05:33, Peter Haworth wrote: > Hi COlin, > You're not buying anything, you're donating money for which you get > something free in return. I think that's how the IRS would treat it if > they decided to audit you. > > Once again though, I'm not an accountant so should probably check with > someone of that profession. > > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> Would it need to be a charity? For example, when I do my taxes this time >> I'm going to be claiming the money I spent on the RunRev conference and on >> my complete license. Wouldn't the Kickstarter payment be a mixture of >> investment and product purchasing? >> From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 05:10:23 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:10:23 +0200 Subject: Over =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A3300k!?= In-Reply-To: <98FF812C-9D95-4A46-ADE8-1BCB354AA8A7@sweattechnologies.com> References: <98FF812C-9D95-4A46-ADE8-1BCB354AA8A7@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <512C8A0F.2060405@gmail.com> On 02/26/2013 10:58 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Wow, what a day on the campaign! > > A special shout out to David Empson who made my day by bumping his pledge and pushing us over the ?300k mark with over 48 hours to go. If we can repeat the last 48 hours we will be home with some possible stretch goals. I'm busting to find out what the first one is and what the target is for that!!! I have seen no indication of any stretch goals: I'm just extremely excited by the very real possibility that the goal will be reached . . . . . . and I can start planning my Summer Programming Course for kids that does not have to end with a "Sorry kids, but you can't have a copy of the programming environment you have just spent 6 weeks learning." but can end with "Here's where you can get the FREE version so you can carry on exploring by yourselves!" And what a hell of a difference that will make! And if those courses take off I'll be having 'stretch marks' rather than 't goals' and a really 'joyous pregnancy'. Richmond. > > Cheers > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From admin at FlexibleLearning.com Tue Feb 26 07:26:43 2013 From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:26:43 -0000 Subject: Kickstarter contribution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ?1,200 added. For 3 years of all-platform commercial licensing, what's not to like! I don't tweet or use FB, so cannot do this step. Maybe someone would do it for me :) Hugh Senior FLCo From iowahengst at mac.com Tue Feb 26 07:49:25 2013 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 06:49:25 -0600 Subject: Kickstarter: Donations tax deductible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84967541-6175-45D0-B3FC-49EED26A358D@mac.com> In another successful Kickstarter campaign that I supported, Kickstarter sent a pledge summary with amount pledged and the reward info. That, I assume, is the receipt. I also received a separate email from Amazon once my card had been charged. On Feb 26, 2013, at 3:24 AM, Keith Clarke wrote: > Maybe RunRev can help out here by following this example to provide receipts for KickStarter donations once the project is funded? > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1872362369/first-season-of-the-los-angeles-new-court-theatre/posts/190933 > > That would make... > > Donation + Reward = Consideration + Product = Purchase of software / event, etc > > All allowable business expenses (at least in the UK). > Best, > Keith.. > > On 26 Feb 2013, at 05:33, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> Hi COlin, >> You're not buying anything, you're donating money for which you get >> something free in return. I think that's how the IRS would treat it if >> they decided to audit you. >> >> Once again though, I'm not an accountant so should probably check with >> someone of that profession. >> >> Pete >> lcSQL Software >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: >> >>> Would it need to be a charity? For example, when I do my taxes this time >>> I'm going to be claiming the money I spent on the RunRev conference and on >>> my complete license. Wouldn't the Kickstarter payment be a mixture of >>> investment and product purchasing? >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Tue Feb 26 08:07:52 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 05:07:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1361884072450-4661198.post@n4.nabble.com> Monte Goulding wrote > Hi Folks > > Well I for one want to pop a cork when this things over... or drown my > miseries.. Hi Monte, I feel your pain, and your jubilation. Let me know where you'll be hanging and I'll be there. I may have to borrow a quid or two to buy a pint -- M -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Post-campaign-party-tp4661138p4661198.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 26 08:09:18 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:09:18 -0500 Subject: Modal vs modeless In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0103117F@Peas2.byu.local> References: <45295654-2966-440E-85A2-595BAA0F2534@mac.com> <8E26FB73-A796-4FBB-B15B-2C507087F186@sweattechnologies.com> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0103117F@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: Devin, For some odd reason I don't remember modal dialogs not having decorations. But I believe BYU's rev pages. So, If I want to block access but still allow for a close decoration do I have any other HIG compliant choices? I don't think so. hmmm -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 26, 2013, at 1:06 AM, Devin Asay wrote: > I don't think modal stacks have decorations. It's determined by the OS on both Mac and Windows. See http://livecode.byu.edu/stackwindows/stacks.php. Scroll down to the Modal section. > > HTH > > Devin > > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> Nope, just: modal stack "Yadda" >> >> >> -- Tom McGrath III >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> mcgrath3 at mac.com >> >> On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: >> >>> hmm... so are you just: >>> modal >>> >>> or are you doing something else?? >>> On 26/02/2013, at 3:15 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >>> >>>> title,menu,minimize,maximize,close >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Tom McGrath III >>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >>>> mcgrath3 at mac.com >>>> >>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's sure an odd one. What are the decorations of the stack. >>>>> >>>>> On 26/02/2013, at 2:55 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I seem to be forgetting a bunch of stuff lately. Anyway, I want to use a modal type dialog with full decorations but when I modal a stack I get nothing at all. I don't remember that being the case. If I modeless a stack I get the decorations but now the end user can click on the window behind this window which I do not want. >>>>>> >>>>>> How do you guys handle that??? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Tom McGrath III >>>>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >>>>>> mcgrath3 at mac.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> M E R Goulding >>>>> Software development services >>>>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >>>>> >>>>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> -- >>> M E R Goulding >>> Software development services >>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >>> >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > Devin Asay > Humanities Technology and Research Support Center > Brigham Young University > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bvg at mac.com Tue Feb 26 08:15:55 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:15:55 +0100 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: <1361884072450-4661198.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <1361884072450-4661198.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <89585A67-589E-4259-AB98-CBA1A686F5E1@mac.com> Parties are nice and all, but there's still 40'000 missing! On 26.02.2013, at 14:07, Mark Smith wrote: > Monte Goulding wrote >> Hi Folks >> >> Well I for one want to pop a cork when this things over... or drown my >> miseries.. > > Hi Monte, > > I feel your pain, and your jubilation. Let me know where you'll be hanging > and I'll be there. I may have to borrow a quid or two to buy a pint > > -- M > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Post-campaign-party-tp4661138p4661198.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 26 08:18:39 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:18:39 -0500 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: <89585A67-589E-4259-AB98-CBA1A686F5E1@mac.com> References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <1361884072450-4661198.post@n4.nabble.com> <89585A67-589E-4259-AB98-CBA1A686F5E1@mac.com> Message-ID: <37BB890C-97D9-47C6-89F3-EDC14283DABC@mac.com> 44 hours to go @ (funny L goes here)42,075 = 956.25 an hour. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 26, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > Parties are nice and all, but there's still 40'000 missing! > > On 26.02.2013, at 14:07, Mark Smith wrote: > >> Monte Goulding wrote >>> Hi Folks >>> >>> Well I for one want to pop a cork when this things over... or drown my >>> miseries.. >> >> Hi Monte, >> >> I feel your pain, and your jubilation. Let me know where you'll be hanging >> and I'll be there. I may have to borrow a quid or two to buy a pint >> >> -- M >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Post-campaign-party-tp4661138p4661198.html >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > -- > > Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: > http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ > > Chat with other RunRev developers: > http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 08:32:42 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:32:42 +1100 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: <37BB890C-97D9-47C6-89F3-EDC14283DABC@mac.com> References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <1361884072450-4661198.post@n4.nabble.com> <89585A67-589E-4259-AB98-CBA1A686F5E1@mac.com> <37BB890C-97D9-47C6-89F3-EDC14283DABC@mac.com> Message-ID: <6503D3C2-0C28-4F01-B134-7A44C60ECCC6@sweattechnologies.com> Lets do that today -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 27/02/2013, at 12:18 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > 44 hours to go @ (funny L goes here)42,075 = 956.25 an hour. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 08:33:27 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:33:27 +1100 Subject: Post campaign party In-Reply-To: <1361884072450-4661198.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <3FDB6BA8-E06D-4755-8A49-9E532847D588@sweattechnologies.com> <1361884072450-4661198.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: G+ LiveCode developers community -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 27/02/2013, at 12:07 AM, Mark Smith wrote: > Let me know where you'll be hanging > and I'll be there From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 08:37:08 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:37:08 +1100 Subject: Kickstarter contribution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe nows the time to start! This whole process is made be realize I want to connect more with other devs and evangalise this awesome platform. A mate of mine organizes the local Linux users group and ill be giving a talk about LC next month. I certainly hope I can say its FOSS! -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 26/02/2013, at 11:26 PM, "FlexibleLearning.com" wrote: > I don't tweet or use FB, so cannot do this step. Maybe someone would do it > for me :) From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 08:39:37 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:39:37 +1100 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_Over_=C2=A3300k!?= In-Reply-To: <512C8A0F.2060405@gmail.com> References: <98FF812C-9D95-4A46-ADE8-1BCB354AA8A7@sweattechnologies.com> <512C8A0F.2060405@gmail.com> Message-ID: I hear you. I'm teaching some kids that don't get many opportunities at the moment and I struggled with myself to pick LC as the platform for this reason. In the end we budgeted for personal licenses but all that goes away in 45 hours or so. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 26/02/2013, at 9:10 PM, Richmond wrote: > "Sorry kids, but you can't have a copy of the programming environment you have just spent 6 weeks learning." From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 08:41:28 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:41:28 +1100 Subject: Modal vs modeless In-Reply-To: References: <45295654-2966-440E-85A2-595BAA0F2534@mac.com> <8E26FB73-A796-4FBB-B15B-2C507087F186@sweattechnologies.com> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0103117F@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <5D591F0E-8BD2-44E1-9150-5F42339D4308@sweattechnologies.com> Oh... When you say no decorations do you mean none or just a title. I was assuming you meant none which is why I thought it was weird. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 27/02/2013, at 12:09 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > So, If I want to block access but still allow for a close decoration do I have any other HIG compliant choices? I don't think so From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 09:01:54 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:01:54 -0500 Subject: tweet from Dan Shafer Message-ID: <21E9F3E3-ED85-4F02-AD5E-83F832DA0448@verizon.net> My hat off to whoever got him to post this: https://twitter.com/dshafer From nm at studionm.pl Tue Feb 26 09:05:03 2013 From: nm at studionm.pl (Marek Niesiobedzki) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:05:03 +0100 Subject: Kickstarter contribution Message-ID: Started with reasonable 70 pledge. Then raised it to 640. As I can see it's never ending story - more eat you are more hungry. Specially if you see that it's missing only not impossible amount of money. Unlimited licence is a dream, but 2,400 is too high level for me. So decided go to 1,200 also. Marek From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 26 09:11:52 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:11:52 -0500 Subject: Modal vs modeless In-Reply-To: <5D591F0E-8BD2-44E1-9150-5F42339D4308@sweattechnologies.com> References: <45295654-2966-440E-85A2-595BAA0F2534@mac.com> <8E26FB73-A796-4FBB-B15B-2C507087F186@sweattechnologies.com> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0103117F@Peas2.byu.local> <5D591F0E-8BD2-44E1-9150-5F42339D4308@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Yeah, the title is there but no other? -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 26, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Oh... When you say no decorations do you mean none or just a title. I was assuming you meant none which is why I thought it was weird. > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 27/02/2013, at 12:09 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> So, If I want to block access but still allow for a close decoration do I have any other HIG compliant choices? I don't think so > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 09:21:51 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:21:51 +0200 Subject: tweet from Dan Shafer In-Reply-To: <21E9F3E3-ED85-4F02-AD5E-83F832DA0448@verizon.net> References: <21E9F3E3-ED85-4F02-AD5E-83F832DA0448@verizon.net> Message-ID: <512CC4FF.2010808@gmail.com> On 02/26/2013 04:01 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > My hat off to whoever got him to post this: > > https://twitter.com/dshafer > > > > _ Dunno: BUT, Dan Shafer is, oddly enough, one of my Facebook "Friends" (although, equally oddly, I have absolutely no memory of requesting his 'friendship'), and I have been "banging on" about the Kickstarter project on my Facebook page. Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 10:03:19 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:03:19 +0200 Subject: 90% Message-ID: <512CCEB7.9050507@gmail.com> Looking good! From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue Feb 26 10:31:10 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:31:10 +0000 Subject: Modal vs modeless In-Reply-To: References: <45295654-2966-440E-85A2-595BAA0F2534@mac.com> <8E26FB73-A796-4FBB-B15B-2C507087F186@sweattechnologies.com> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0103117F@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01032711@Peas2.byu.local> On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:09 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Devin, For some odd reason I don't remember modal dialogs not having decorations. All I did was do 'modal stack ' on my Mac and Windows boxes without anything fancy. So it appears that a "clean" title bar is what the HIGs call for. > But I believe BYU's rev pages. Wow! Don't know if I can take the pressure. I better go review every one of them for accuracy right now! > > So, If I want to block access but still allow for a close decoration do I have any other HIG compliant choices? I don't think so. I always teach my students to add a close button (on mouseUp;close this stack;end mouseUp) BEFORE making any stack modal. But as far as HIG compliance goes, I'm far from the guru on that point. Richard G.? Now, *modeless* is a different story--it has all the decorations. Devin Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From dunbarx at aol.com Tue Feb 26 10:45:15 2013 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 10:45:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: 90% In-Reply-To: <512CCEB7.9050507@gmail.com> References: <512CCEB7.9050507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CFE24F676014CE-1590-71E52@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Warm and fuzzy with this community. Reminds me of olden times... Craig Newman -----Original Message----- From: Richmond To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:04 am Subject: 90% Looking good! _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Tue Feb 26 11:09:29 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:09:29 -0500 Subject: [Kickstarter Promo] "What Android IDE do you use most often?" Message-ID: I promoted the kickstarter as a comment. Please do likewise if you use LC to make Android Apps. http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&discussionID=207967022&gid=86481&commentID=121753866&trk=view_disc&ut=2ukJrxWU04mlE1 ~Roger From cmsheffield at icloud.com Tue Feb 26 11:12:15 2013 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:12:15 -0700 Subject: in app purchases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C9AD09A-4DAC-4B7A-AC3C-9F8CDCF26601@icloud.com> Hi Monte, My experience was that turning on updates and leaving them on actually caused more problems. I ended up with all kinds of weird behavior, especially when downloads did not complete. But in my case, I had large files downloading, so it was easy to interrupt them (i.e. closing the app while a download was in progress). I also didn't want the app to immediately start checking for incomplete purchases immediately when launching. It just doesn't really make sense with the way we have the app structured. So in One Minute Reader, I turn on updates when a purchase is initiated and turn them off when a purchase is finished. Also, Apple's docs, if I remember correctly, said to wait until delivery of content is complete before sending the delivery confirmation. I know this sounds strange, but this didn't work for me. I finally tried sending the delivery confirmation as soon as purchaseStateUpdate received a "paymentReceived" state. Then, after sending delivery confirmation, the app downloads the content. I know it seems a little backwards, but again, we were getting all kinds of weird results doing it the other way when the download would get interrupted. Anyway, not sure if this helps at all. This was just my experience, for whatever it's worth. Chris -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally, Inc. www.readnaturally.com On Feb 25, 2013, at 10:01 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Howdy > > A little question for those of you that have implemented in app purchases. The lesson here http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4069/l/48771-How-do-I-implement-in-app-purchases-in-LiveCode- > > states that mobileEnablePurchaseUpdates and mobileDisablePurchaseUpdates should be turned on and off for each purchsase. However I can only assume that this purchase updates is adding and removing an SKPaymentTransactionObserver and the apple docs seem to indicate you should assign this at startup and leave it alone... > > Your application should associate an observer with the payment queue when it launches, rather than wait until the user attempts to purchase an item. Transactions are not lost when an application terminates. The next time the application launches, Store Kit resumes processing transactions. Adding the observer during your application?s initialization ensures that all transactions are returned to your application. > > Anyone got any comments? > > Also... how interested are people in there being a desktop external for this? > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 26 11:38:16 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:38:16 -0500 Subject: keydown weirdness Message-ID: <0B1DB641-B278-45EE-B102-9944F7E84F4C@mac.com> Has anyone ever experienced this type of weirdness with keyDown trapping? I have this script in a substack of my main stack that should speak all characters typed into this field: on keyDown pKey if charToNum(pKey) = 32 then TASpeak "Space." TASpeak field "SignIn" of this stack else TASpeak pKey end if pass keyDown end keyDown Later in a separate main stack: on TASpeak pTextToSpeak if gNoSpeech then -- speech mode off else -- process Rate, Pitch etc. revSpeak pTextToSpeak wait until revIsSpeaking() is false with messages end if end TASpeak Now, If I type "Tom M" into the field slowly I get: Tom M and it speaks each char and then on entering a space it speaks the whole field BUT, (here's the weirdness) If I type very fast I get: M moT and it speaks it in that order This is just absolutely weird. Has anyone else seen this? Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 26 11:51:27 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:51:27 -0500 Subject: Modal vs modeless In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01032711@Peas2.byu.local> References: <45295654-2966-440E-85A2-595BAA0F2534@mac.com> <8E26FB73-A796-4FBB-B15B-2C507087F186@sweattechnologies.com> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0103117F@Peas2.byu.local> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01032711@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: Devin, I never did get modeless except for using within the LC environment. I never understood its usefulness in regular standalone applications. I'm curious what others use it for. Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Devin Asay wrote: > Now, *modeless* is a different story--it has all the decorations. From jimschaubeck at yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 12:01:16 2013 From: jimschaubeck at yahoo.com (Jim Schaubeck) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:01:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: I'm in (again)...Doubled Down! Message-ID: <1361898076.55460.YahooMailNeo@web162301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Jumped to the $1024.00 tier cause I'm just as excited as everyone else! ? Please webify Livecode...Please? ______________________________________________________________________________________________ ??jim schaubeck?????????????????????????????????????? jimschaubeck at yahoo.com/?714.321.4499 From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 12:02:10 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:02:10 -0500 Subject: been working hard... Message-ID: <3AFC258B-263E-44C2-B26C-AEE4E6DC600E@verizon.net> This image gives a graphical indication of how many LiveCode things I've been posting: http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/images/influence.png From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Tue Feb 26 12:03:17 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:03:17 -0800 Subject: keydown weirdness In-Reply-To: <0B1DB641-B278-45EE-B102-9944F7E84F4C@mac.com> References: <0B1DB641-B278-45EE-B102-9944F7E84F4C@mac.com> Message-ID: <4A1C4215-E721-47E0-A224-E6F60062CE5A@pbh.on-rev.com> Tom, If you remove the "with messages" from the wait statement it works fine - for me at least! I think that?s what is screwing up the message queue. Paul On 2013-02-26, at 8:38 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Has anyone ever experienced this type of weirdness with keyDown trapping? > > I have this script in a substack of my main stack that should speak all characters typed into this field: > > on keyDown pKey > if charToNum(pKey) = 32 then > TASpeak "Space." > TASpeak field "SignIn" of this stack > else > TASpeak pKey > end if > pass keyDown > end keyDown > > > Later in a separate main stack: > > on TASpeak pTextToSpeak > if gNoSpeech then > -- speech mode off > else > -- process Rate, Pitch etc. > revSpeak pTextToSpeak > wait until revIsSpeaking() is false with messages > end if > end TASpeak > > Now, If I type "Tom M" into the field slowly I get: Tom M > and it speaks each char > and then on entering a space it speaks the whole field > > BUT, (here's the weirdness) If I type very fast I get: M moT > and it speaks it in that order > > This is just absolutely weird. Has anyone else seen this? > > Tom > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 26 12:03:36 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:03:36 -0500 Subject: Kickstarter Doubling Down Message-ID: <29166AF9-18AF-4615-9DDB-1D7EF1006AE4@mac.com> Well, Kevin and the rest of this community convinced me. I just doubled my pledge amount. I really want to see this happen for all of them and for all of us. P.S. (Are you sure this isn't like gambling? I feel like I just double downed on red.) Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue Feb 26 12:03:34 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:03:34 +0000 Subject: Modal vs modeless In-Reply-To: References: <45295654-2966-440E-85A2-595BAA0F2534@mac.com> <8E26FB73-A796-4FBB-B15B-2C507087F186@sweattechnologies.com> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0103117F@Peas2.byu.local> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01032711@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01032BE8@Peas2.byu.local> On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Devin, > > I never did get modeless except for using within the LC environment. I never understood its usefulness in regular standalone applications. > > I'm curious what others use it for. To be honest, that's the only use I've found for it. It seems like once you've built a standalone essentially all top level windows behave like modeless. I supposed that if you had an application that let the end user modify objects in a window, you'd want the user-modifiable window to be top level and all of your interface windows to be modeless. Wait. I think I just described the LiveCode IDE. Stay tuned for more circular explanations! Devin Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 26 12:04:32 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:04:32 -0500 Subject: been working hard... In-Reply-To: <3AFC258B-263E-44C2-B26C-AEE4E6DC600E@verizon.net> References: <3AFC258B-263E-44C2-B26C-AEE4E6DC600E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <80BC51F5-7BB8-4120-9AD2-9DFE3AD122B9@mac.com> Ha, that's great. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > This image gives a graphical indication of how many LiveCode things I've been posting: > > http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/images/influence.png > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 26 12:12:27 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:12:27 -0500 Subject: keydown weirdness In-Reply-To: <4A1C4215-E721-47E0-A224-E6F60062CE5A@pbh.on-rev.com> References: <0B1DB641-B278-45EE-B102-9944F7E84F4C@mac.com> <4A1C4215-E721-47E0-A224-E6F60062CE5A@pbh.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <8C54B269-CF61-44A3-8538-D93775F63A09@mac.com> Paul, Thanks for the reply. So, did it type backwards for you too when you tried it? My problem and why I put the 'with messages' in was to allow to interrupt long messages while speaking. revSpeak will terminate any existing queue once a new revSpeak is issued but I can't get a new revSpeak to execute while revSpeak is speaking? a catch 22 - so after I put in the 'with messages' I was able to interrupt between queues. Any ideas? Thanks again, Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > Tom, > > If you remove the "with messages" from the wait statement it works fine - for me at least! > > I think that?s what is screwing up the message queue. > > Paul > > On 2013-02-26, at 8:38 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> Has anyone ever experienced this type of weirdness with keyDown trapping? >> >> I have this script in a substack of my main stack that should speak all characters typed into this field: >> >> on keyDown pKey >> if charToNum(pKey) = 32 then >> TASpeak "Space." >> TASpeak field "SignIn" of this stack >> else >> TASpeak pKey >> end if >> pass keyDown >> end keyDown >> >> >> Later in a separate main stack: >> >> on TASpeak pTextToSpeak >> if gNoSpeech then >> -- speech mode off >> else >> -- process Rate, Pitch etc. >> revSpeak pTextToSpeak >> wait until revIsSpeaking() is false with messages >> end if >> end TASpeak >> >> Now, If I type "Tom M" into the field slowly I get: Tom M >> and it speaks each char >> and then on entering a space it speaks the whole field >> >> BUT, (here's the weirdness) If I type very fast I get: M moT >> and it speaks it in that order >> >> This is just absolutely weird. Has anyone else seen this? >> >> Tom >> >> -- Tom McGrath III >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> mcgrath3 at mac.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From endernafi at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 12:24:57 2013 From: endernafi at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ender_Nafi_Elek=C3=A7io=C4=9Flu?=) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:24:57 +0200 Subject: Kickstarter Quadruple Message-ID: Not to brag, but maybe to spark some of you guys? I've just quadrupled my pledge and hit ?2500. Well, I'm proud; broke and penniless but proud :)) Please guys, add a couple of dollars to your pledge. Let's make this happen? ~ Ender Nafi ~ ? Keehuna Studio ~ ? Sorcerers of Design From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 12:22:02 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:22:02 -0500 Subject: Kickstarter Doubling Down In-Reply-To: <29166AF9-18AF-4615-9DDB-1D7EF1006AE4@mac.com> References: <29166AF9-18AF-4615-9DDB-1D7EF1006AE4@mac.com> Message-ID: Better than the green 00 from a few days ago. On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >P.S. (Are you sure this isn't like gambling? I feel like I just double downed on red.) From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 12:24:18 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:24:18 -0500 Subject: Kickstarter Quadruple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F76C101-56E1-42E6-90DC-5FF252B97EC8@verizon.net> Somebody's pledge of ?92 took the figure to just over 92%. Which makes sense somehow! The pledge that puts it over the top should be for ?100. From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Tue Feb 26 12:27:42 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:27:42 -0800 Subject: keydown weirdness In-Reply-To: <8C54B269-CF61-44A3-8538-D93775F63A09@mac.com> References: <0B1DB641-B278-45EE-B102-9944F7E84F4C@mac.com> <4A1C4215-E721-47E0-A224-E6F60062CE5A@pbh.on-rev.com> <8C54B269-CF61-44A3-8538-D93775F63A09@mac.com> Message-ID: <728B1861-7447-46B6-B9E3-F3EBE305CF7D@pbh.on-rev.com> Tom, I found it did type backwards if I keyed too quick, but if you change the keyDown to keyUp, it types forward. Leaving "with messages" in allows it to interrupt the message queue, the downside is that it doesn't speak all chars/words. The only way I can think of to get round this would be to create a custom message queue, maybe adding the chars/words to a container then deleting them as they are spoken, stop speaking when the container is empty. - Just thinking out loud on that though, haven't tried it. Paul On 2013-02-26, at 9:12 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Paul, > > Thanks for the reply. So, did it type backwards for you too when you tried it? > > My problem and why I put the 'with messages' in was to allow to interrupt long messages while speaking. > revSpeak will terminate any existing queue once a new revSpeak is issued but I can't get a new revSpeak to execute while revSpeak is speaking? a catch 22 - so after I put in the 'with messages' I was able to interrupt between queues. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks again, > > Tom > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > >> Tom, >> >> If you remove the "with messages" from the wait statement it works fine - for me at least! >> >> I think that?s what is screwing up the message queue. >> >> Paul >> >> On 2013-02-26, at 8:38 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >> >>> Has anyone ever experienced this type of weirdness with keyDown trapping? >>> >>> I have this script in a substack of my main stack that should speak all characters typed into this field: >>> >>> on keyDown pKey >>> if charToNum(pKey) = 32 then >>> TASpeak "Space." >>> TASpeak field "SignIn" of this stack >>> else >>> TASpeak pKey >>> end if >>> pass keyDown >>> end keyDown >>> >>> >>> Later in a separate main stack: >>> >>> on TASpeak pTextToSpeak >>> if gNoSpeech then >>> -- speech mode off >>> else >>> -- process Rate, Pitch etc. >>> revSpeak pTextToSpeak >>> wait until revIsSpeaking() is false with messages >>> end if >>> end TASpeak >>> >>> Now, If I type "Tom M" into the field slowly I get: Tom M >>> and it speaks each char >>> and then on entering a space it speaks the whole field >>> >>> BUT, (here's the weirdness) If I type very fast I get: M moT >>> and it speaks it in that order >>> >>> This is just absolutely weird. Has anyone else seen this? >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> -- Tom McGrath III >>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >>> mcgrath3 at mac.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 26 12:31:15 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:31:15 -0500 Subject: keydown weirdness In-Reply-To: <728B1861-7447-46B6-B9E3-F3EBE305CF7D@pbh.on-rev.com> References: <0B1DB641-B278-45EE-B102-9944F7E84F4C@mac.com> <4A1C4215-E721-47E0-A224-E6F60062CE5A@pbh.on-rev.com> <8C54B269-CF61-44A3-8538-D93775F63A09@mac.com> <728B1861-7447-46B6-B9E3-F3EBE305CF7D@pbh.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <9ED5E6D9-5D31-4751-A305-E2C9076762D6@mac.com> Paul, That just might work. Then if I interrupt I can just delete my own queue. I will look into it. Funniest thing typing backwards like that?. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > Tom, > > I found it did type backwards if I keyed too quick, but if you change the keyDown to keyUp, it types forward. Leaving "with messages" in allows it to interrupt the message queue, the downside is that it doesn't speak all chars/words. > > The only way I can think of to get round this would be to create a custom message queue, maybe adding the chars/words to a container then deleting them as they are spoken, stop speaking when the container is empty. - Just thinking out loud on that though, haven't tried it. > > Paul > > On 2013-02-26, at 9:12 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> Paul, >> >> Thanks for the reply. So, did it type backwards for you too when you tried it? >> >> My problem and why I put the 'with messages' in was to allow to interrupt long messages while speaking. >> revSpeak will terminate any existing queue once a new revSpeak is issued but I can't get a new revSpeak to execute while revSpeak is speaking? a catch 22 - so after I put in the 'with messages' I was able to interrupt between queues. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Tom >> -- Tom McGrath III >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> mcgrath3 at mac.com >> >> On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: >> >>> Tom, >>> >>> If you remove the "with messages" from the wait statement it works fine - for me at least! >>> >>> I think that?s what is screwing up the message queue. >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> On 2013-02-26, at 8:38 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >>> >>>> Has anyone ever experienced this type of weirdness with keyDown trapping? >>>> >>>> I have this script in a substack of my main stack that should speak all characters typed into this field: >>>> >>>> on keyDown pKey >>>> if charToNum(pKey) = 32 then >>>> TASpeak "Space." >>>> TASpeak field "SignIn" of this stack >>>> else >>>> TASpeak pKey >>>> end if >>>> pass keyDown >>>> end keyDown >>>> >>>> >>>> Later in a separate main stack: >>>> >>>> on TASpeak pTextToSpeak >>>> if gNoSpeech then >>>> -- speech mode off >>>> else >>>> -- process Rate, Pitch etc. >>>> revSpeak pTextToSpeak >>>> wait until revIsSpeaking() is false with messages >>>> end if >>>> end TASpeak >>>> >>>> Now, If I type "Tom M" into the field slowly I get: Tom M >>>> and it speaks each char >>>> and then on entering a space it speaks the whole field >>>> >>>> BUT, (here's the weirdness) If I type very fast I get: M moT >>>> and it speaks it in that order >>>> >>>> This is just absolutely weird. Has anyone else seen this? >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> -- Tom McGrath III >>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >>>> mcgrath3 at mac.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 26 12:33:06 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:33:06 -0500 Subject: Kickstarter Doubling Down In-Reply-To: References: <29166AF9-18AF-4615-9DDB-1D7EF1006AE4@mac.com> Message-ID: <38284F96-379E-472D-9B76-41681A41A158@mac.com> No doubt, no doubt. It just hit 2,000 backers so new ones and updating of old ones is getting it moving?. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Better than the green 00 from a few days ago. > > > On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >>> P.S. (Are you sure this isn't like gambling? I feel like I just double downed on red.) > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 26 12:33:59 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:33:59 -0500 Subject: Kickstarter Quadruple In-Reply-To: <7F76C101-56E1-42E6-90DC-5FF252B97EC8@verizon.net> References: <7F76C101-56E1-42E6-90DC-5FF252B97EC8@verizon.net> Message-ID: over 2,000 backers now. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Somebody's pledge of ?92 took the figure to just over 92%. Which makes sense somehow! The pledge that puts it over the top should be for ?100. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 12:35:02 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:35:02 -0500 Subject: awesome timing from WIred Message-ID: <264EB734-C5D2-43BA-82AE-83E8599C40EF@verizon.net> http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2013/02/kickstarter-alert-cross-platform-app-programming-less-than-42h-remaining/ From jacques.hausser at unil.ch Tue Feb 26 12:38:55 2013 From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:38:55 +0100 Subject: Kickstarter Quadruple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5011E271-FBA5-4825-9AF7-079942D68B06@unil.ch> Le 26 f?vr. 2013 ? 18:24, Ender Nafi Elek?io?lu a ?crit : > Not to brag, but maybe to spark some of you guys? > I've just quadrupled my pledge and hit ?2500. > Well, I'm proud; broke and penniless but proud :)) > Please guys, add a couple of dollars to your pledge. > Let's make this happen? > > > > ~ Ender Nafi Well, I followed, we are on a tie? but I'll stop here for family peace's sake ! From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue Feb 26 12:44:27 2013 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:44:27 +0100 Subject: awesome timing from WIred In-Reply-To: <264EB734-C5D2-43BA-82AE-83E8599C40EF@verizon.net> References: <264EB734-C5D2-43BA-82AE-83E8599C40EF@verizon.net> Message-ID: <898642B2-0A76-4840-A96E-73146A2B9E26@numericable.com> What is the screenShot in the article ??! Le 26 f?vr. 2013 ? 18:35, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2013/02/kickstarter-alert-cross-platform-app-programming-less-than-42h-remaining/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Feb 26 12:44:40 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:44:40 -0500 Subject: awesome timing from WIred In-Reply-To: <264EB734-C5D2-43BA-82AE-83E8599C40EF@verizon.net> References: <264EB734-C5D2-43BA-82AE-83E8599C40EF@verizon.net> Message-ID: That's awesome. I hope it puts us over the top. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2013/02/kickstarter-alert-cross-platform-app-programming-less-than-42h-remaining/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 12:46:37 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:46:37 -0500 Subject: awesome timing from WIred In-Reply-To: <264EB734-C5D2-43BA-82AE-83E8599C40EF@verizon.net> References: <264EB734-C5D2-43BA-82AE-83E8599C40EF@verizon.net> Message-ID: Nice education one too: http://thejournal.com/articles/2013/02/26/easy-programming-language-gains-high-school-pickup.aspx On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2013/02/kickstarter-alert-cross-platform-app-programming-less-than-42h-remaining/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 12:48:11 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:48:11 -0500 Subject: awesome timing from WIred In-Reply-To: <898642B2-0A76-4840-A96E-73146A2B9E26@numericable.com> References: <264EB734-C5D2-43BA-82AE-83E8599C40EF@verizon.net> <898642B2-0A76-4840-A96E-73146A2B9E26@numericable.com> Message-ID: In the screen recording that Ben did when making SheepHerder, it also showed the stages of design. Which was in Photoshop. On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >What is the screenShot in the article ??! From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue Feb 26 12:51:04 2013 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:51:04 +0100 Subject: awesome timing from WIred In-Reply-To: References: <264EB734-C5D2-43BA-82AE-83E8599C40EF@verizon.net> <898642B2-0A76-4840-A96E-73146A2B9E26@numericable.com> Message-ID: <4997ABFF-0429-4A49-84D8-507AD15B8AE9@numericable.com> Le 26 f?vr. 2013 ? 18:48, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > In the screen recording that Ben did when making SheepHerder, it also showed the stages of design. Which was in Photoshop. Ho, Thank you, I did not recognize LiveCode IDE... From mfstuart at cox.net Tue Feb 26 12:54:35 2013 From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 09:54:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Over_=C2=A3300k!?= In-Reply-To: <98FF812C-9D95-4A46-ADE8-1BCB354AA8A7@sweattechnologies.com> References: <98FF812C-9D95-4A46-ADE8-1BCB354AA8A7@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1361901275540-4661239.post@n4.nabble.com> Just pledged with 39 hours to go. :) ----- Regards, Mark Stuart ----------- LC: 4.6.4 WinXP/7/8 32bit and 64bit -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Over-300k-tp4661192p4661239.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andrew at ctech.me Tue Feb 26 13:00:42 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:00:42 -0600 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IE92ZXIgozMwMGsh?= In-Reply-To: <1361901275540-4661239.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <98FF812C-9D95-4A46-ADE8-1BCB354AA8A7@sweattechnologies.com> <1361901275540-4661239.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: People, I do believe we are trending at the 350k+! On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Mark Stuart wrote: > Just pledged with 39 hours to go. :) > > > > ----- > Regards, > Mark Stuart > ----------- > LC: 4.6.4 > WinXP/7/8 > 32bit and 64bit > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Over-300k-tp4661192p4661239.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 26 13:04:40 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: ...and this from Make magazine Message-ID: Thanks to David Simpson... http://blog.makezine.com/page-2/livecode-coding-made-easy Linked to from Make's front page as well. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From lvhdgc7 at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 13:34:42 2013 From: lvhdgc7 at gmail.com (tbodine) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 10:34:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: ...and this from Make magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1361903682105-4661242.post@n4.nabble.com> More great exposure. The momentum so far today is very encouraging! -- Tom Bodine -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/and-this-from-Make-magazine-tp4661241p4661242.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From endernafi at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 13:46:39 2013 From: endernafi at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ender_Nafi_Elek=C3=A7io=C4=9Flu?=) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:46:39 +0200 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?compositor=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6._?=Properties for Mobile Performance In-Reply-To: <47A6D9C0BC0D4F0C952689DAB0211741@gmail.com> References: <2721C330A98D45BD98B989D85B61DE47@gmail.com> <5123F08C.90506@hyperactivesw.com> <47A6D9C0BC0D4F0C952689DAB0211741@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1540F40FED7A4B8883A4435C279D381D@gmail.com> First real world implementation... The results are spectacular A 16.000 px high group of news does scroll flawlessly in my low-end test device iPod Touch. Before this retouch, it was scrolling bumpy. Btw, each news group contains a 128*128 px picture, two text fields and a button. Here is a snippet of my code: *** on scrollerBeginDrag __set the layerMode of group "theNews" to "scrolling" __set the acceleratedRendering of this stack to true end scrollerBeginDrag on scrollerDidScroll pX, pY __switch mobileControlTarget() ____case "theNewsScroller" ______set the vScroll of group "theNews" to pY ______break __end switch end scrollerDidScroll on scrollerEndDecelerate __set the layerMode of group "theNews" to "static" __set the acceleratedRendering of this stack to false end scrollerEndDecelerate *** Thanks everyone, especially Jacque & Thomas McGrath... Regards, ~ Ender Nafi ~ ? Keehuna Studio ~ ? Sorcerers of Design On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Ender Nafi Elek?io?lu wrote: > Thank you Jacque, > You've been helpful, as always. > > I understand that there's no need to mess around with the compositor properties. > Leaving the defaults as is and using the acceleratedRendering is enough. > But the tricky part is I should use it only when I need it. > Well, that's a good advice. > > I'll read the old posts about the acceleratedRendering further. > > > Thank you very much. > > Regards, > > > ~ Ender Nafi > > ~ ? Keehuna Studio > ~ ? Sorcerers of Design > > > On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 at 11:37 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > > On 2/19/13 2:36 PM, Ender Nafi Elek?io?lu wrote: > > > > > Asking in the forums is easy, > > > however asking a question in the mail-list is a bit intimidating, I must confess. > > > > > > > > > We're mostly the same people, only there are a few more on this list. > > Don't worry, we're mostly friendly. Ask us anything. That's what we're > > here for. > > > > > -> Does the order of these commands make a difference? > > > Setting the acceleratedRendering first or last; > > > or setting the compositorTileSize before the compositorCacheLimit, etc. > > > > > > > > > The usual place to do the settings is on preOpenCard, so I don't think > > the order matters. Nothing happens until an object moves, and they won't > > move before the card is drawn. The only exception is the > > acceleratedRendering property itself. Turn it on before things are about > > to move, and turn it off when the move is finished. Leaving it on when > > no objects are moving can slow performance. > > > > > > > > -> What's the best way to determine the values of these properties? > > > > Good question, and I used to have a message from RR about that but I > > can't find it now. There was a sort of formula, but it was generic and > > not always reliable because devices vary so much. Eventually RR just > > provided defaults and I always use those, because calculating an exact > > setting isn't reliable anyway. I've found the defaults work pretty well. > > > > > > > > -> In which scenarios do these commands create a performance boost? > > > For example, in a game which consists hundreds of buttons and > > > thousands of sprite png's or ? > > > > > > > > > You need acceleratedRendering when objects move quickly and often. The > > game example is a good case for it. You'll have to use some judgement. > > If things on a card are constantly moving then turning it on on > > preOpenCard and turning it off on closeCard is fine. If the only thing > > that moves is a scrolling group or field, then turn it on when the user > > starts to scroll and turn it off when they're done. > > > > There is a lot of info in the list archives, which you can see on either > > Nabble or Gmane. This link is a start: > > > > > > Also, if you search Nabble for "acceleratedRendering" you'll get more hits. > > > > -- > > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com (mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com) > > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com (mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com) > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > From andrew at ctech.me Tue Feb 26 13:42:18 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:42:18 -0600 Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! Message-ID: It would be encouraging to announce the first stretch goal since we are trending well within range at 101% Excited to see whats up your sleeves. -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 26 13:49:43 2013 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:49:43 -0300 Subject: New mobile OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Folks, Firefox OS Rocks!!! I have a couple prototypes running it here as I am a part of Mozilla Community in Brazil. I've won a third place in a Firefox OS app contest here. If anyone wants more info, feel free to contact me in offlist since LC can't build HTML5 apps at this moment. More info can be seen at: http://marketplace.firefox.com/developers Cheers andre On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Scott Rossi writes: > > > I like the fact that their differentiator is round icons > > No doubt Microsoft already trademarked rectangular icon spaces for win8. > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. From kevin at runrev.com Tue Feb 26 13:51:08 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:51:08 +0000 Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We didn't want to take people's eyes off the main target. However we are almost there. I will post stretch goals shortly. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 26/02/2013 18:42, "Andrew Kluthe" wrote: >It would be encouraging to announce the first stretch goal since we are >trending well within range at 101% > >Excited to see whats up your sleeves. > >-- >Regards, > >Andrew Kluthe >andrew at ctech.me >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 13:53:58 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:53:58 +0200 Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512D04C6.60807@gmail.com> On 02/26/2013 08:51 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > We didn't want to take people's eyes off the main target. However we are > almost there. I will post stretch goals shortly. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > > > I really am sorry for being so sceptical yesterday [Maybe my scepticism had the effect of making everybody go "B*gg*r Richmond, let's prove him wrong!] Now things are really smoking! Richmond. From andrew at ctech.me Tue Feb 26 13:55:58 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:55:58 -0600 Subject: New mobile OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is it true that the interface itself is html5 as well or did I misread that? On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Folks, > > Firefox OS Rocks!!! > > I have a couple prototypes running it here as I am a part of Mozilla > Community in Brazil. I've won a third place in a Firefox OS app contest > here. > > If anyone wants more info, feel free to contact me in offlist since LC > can't build HTML5 apps at this moment. > > More info can be seen at: > > http://marketplace.firefox.com/developers > > Cheers > andre > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Mark Wieder > wrote: > > > Scott Rossi writes: > > > > > I like the fact that their differentiator is round icons > > > > No doubt Microsoft already trademarked rectangular icon spaces for win8. > > > > -- > > Mark Wieder > > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. > http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 13:59:31 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 05:59:31 +1100 Subject: awesome timing from WIred In-Reply-To: <264EB734-C5D2-43BA-82AE-83E8599C40EF@verizon.net> References: <264EB734-C5D2-43BA-82AE-83E8599C40EF@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1D3F6D38-4CCD-4D42-BE48-46B92FCC08F6@sweattechnologies.com> Folks, every time you see an article about LC get on there and tweet, like and +1. These magazines would definitely take note of articles that are popular and would be more likely to cover LC again. On 27/02/2013, at 4:35 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2013/02/kickstarter-alert-cross-platform-app-programming-less-than-42h-remaining/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 26 14:04:49 2013 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:04:49 -0300 Subject: Posted an article on HN about the kickstarter, please help voting it to the front page Message-ID: Hi Folks, check out http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5287634 I've just posted that and would need some help to keep it on the front page. I need you guys to comment and vote there. I created a little article about LC and why the kickstarter matters. Cheers andre -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 26 14:13:48 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:13:48 -0600 Subject: keydown weirdness In-Reply-To: <8C54B269-CF61-44A3-8538-D93775F63A09@mac.com> References: <0B1DB641-B278-45EE-B102-9944F7E84F4C@mac.com> <4A1C4215-E721-47E0-A224-E6F60062CE5A@pbh.on-rev.com> <8C54B269-CF61-44A3-8538-D93775F63A09@mac.com> Message-ID: <512D096C.8020502@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/26/13 11:12 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Paul, > > Thanks for the reply. So, did it type backwards for you too when you tried it? > > My problem and why I put the 'with messages' in was to allow to interrupt long messages while speaking. > revSpeak will terminate any existing queue once a new revSpeak is issued but I can't get a new revSpeak to execute while revSpeak is speaking? a catch 22 - so after I put in the 'with messages' I was able to interrupt between queues. > > Any ideas? You could change the keydown handler to send "TASpeak" in 1 millisecond. The messages would queue in order. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 14:16:23 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:16:23 +1100 Subject: been working hard... In-Reply-To: <3AFC258B-263E-44C2-B26C-AEE4E6DC600E@verizon.net> References: <3AFC258B-263E-44C2-B26C-AEE4E6DC600E@verizon.net> Message-ID: On 27/02/2013, at 4:02 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > This image gives a graphical indication of how many LiveCode things I've been posting: > > http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/images/influence.png Colin, thanks for everything you have done. You seem to know everyone and those people know everyone else... -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 26 14:18:58 2013 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:18:58 -0300 Subject: Posted to Reddit about the kickstarter Message-ID: Hey Folks, I've just posted to Redddit about the Kickstarter. It would be good to have your support and votes there as the campaign end draw near http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/199wqv/show_reddit_what_can_be_done_with_a_livecode/ =D -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 26 14:29:42 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:29:42 -0600 Subject: Modal vs modeless In-Reply-To: References: <45295654-2966-440E-85A2-595BAA0F2534@mac.com> <8E26FB73-A796-4FBB-B15B-2C507087F186@sweattechnologies.com> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0103117F@Peas2.byu.local> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01032711@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <512D0D26.7020301@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/26/13 10:51 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Devin, > > I never did get modeless except for using within the LC environment. I never understood its usefulness in regular standalone applications. > > I'm curious what others use it for. On Windows, only toplevel stacks show up in the taskbar. So if I want only the app itself to show, I set all the others to something else. Modeless stacks act like toplevel ones for the most part, so I can make normal-looking stacks that aren't added to the taskbar. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 26 14:29:39 2013 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:29:39 -0300 Subject: New mobile OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Is it true that the interface itself is html5 as well or did I misread > that? > Yes it is... Gaia is built with just HTML/CSS/JS. You have Firefox Browser built with HTML5 rendering HTML5 pages, its like inception. > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Andre Garzia >wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > Firefox OS Rocks!!! > > > > I have a couple prototypes running it here as I am a part of Mozilla > > Community in Brazil. I've won a third place in a Firefox OS app contest > > here. > > > > If anyone wants more info, feel free to contact me in offlist since LC > > can't build HTML5 apps at this moment. > > > > More info can be seen at: > > > > http://marketplace.firefox.com/developers > > > > Cheers > > andre > > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Mark Wieder > > wrote: > > > > > Scott Rossi writes: > > > > > > > I like the fact that their differentiator is round icons > > > > > > No doubt Microsoft already trademarked rectangular icon spaces for > win8. > > > > > > -- > > > Mark Wieder > > > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. > > http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > andrew at ctech.me > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 14:30:55 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:30:55 -0500 Subject: New mobile OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you mean the Firefox interface, I believe it uses XUL, which is an XML layout language. It ought to be possible to do a XUL to LiveCode converter. On Feb 26, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Is it true that the interface itself is html5 as well or did I misread that? From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 26 14:33:31 2013 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:33:31 -0300 Subject: New mobile OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > If you mean the Firefox interface, I believe it uses XUL, which is an XML > layout language. It ought to be possible to do a XUL to LiveCode converter. > Firefox OS is not XUL... I think XUL is only used in the desktop version. > > > On Feb 26, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > > Is it true that the interface itself is html5 as well or did I misread > that? > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 14:35:08 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:35:08 -0500 Subject: New mobile OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24813736-BF7B-4073-A776-325F80B3558A@verizon.net> Right, I missed the OS part and was thinking of the browser. On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:33 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > > Firefox OS is not XUL... I think XUL is only used in the desktop version. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 14:35:54 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:35:54 +0200 Subject: New mobile OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512D0E9A.9090708@gmail.com> On 02/26/2013 09:30 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > If you mean the Firefox interface, I believe it uses XUL, which is an XML layout language. It ought to be possible to do a XUL to LiveCode converter. Surely, if you want to program for Firefox OS you will need a Livecode to XUL converter, rather than the other way around. Although there was something about http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/partners/ "Firefox OS is an open platform that fosters greater participation in the value chain." perhaps the phrase "value chain" that made me feel queasy well, really it 'gard me til grue' but as I cannot overset that into English 'queasy' will have to do. > > > On Feb 26, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > >> Is it true that the interface itself is html5 as well or did I misread that? > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From benr_mc at cogapp.com Tue Feb 26 14:28:26 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:28:26 +0000 Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512D0CDA.3040902@cogapp.com> On 26/02/2013 18:51, Kevin Miller wrote: > We didn't want to take people's eyes off the main target. However we are > almost there. I will post stretch goals shortly. Kevin grows handlebar moustache. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Tue Feb 26 14:46:17 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:46:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: been working hard... In-Reply-To: References: <3AFC258B-263E-44C2-B26C-AEE4E6DC600E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1361907977483-4661261.post@n4.nabble.com> Monte Goulding wrote > Colin, thanks for everything you have done. You seem to know everyone and > those people know everyone else... > > -- > Monte Goulding Ditto Monte's comment... thanks for all of your hard work on this Colin. You should be up for some sort of special prize or award. Anyway, just seeing all the hard work everyone put into this campaign has been amazing. A big congratualtions to RunRev on making their target (yeah, I'm calling it). It really has been great to watch so many people pull together and make this thing happen. -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/been-working-hard-tp4661219p4661261.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 14:46:27 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:46:27 +1100 Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! In-Reply-To: <512D0CDA.3040902@cogapp.com> References: <512D0CDA.3040902@cogapp.com> Message-ID: On 27/02/2013, at 6:28 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: >> We didn't want to take people's eyes off the main target. However we are >> almost there. I will post stretch goals shortly. > > Kevin grows handlebar moustache. What about his beard is one of those ones without the moustache... there great! ;-) -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Feb 26 14:47:20 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:47:20 -0500 Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! In-Reply-To: <512D0CDA.3040902@cogapp.com> References: <512D0CDA.3040902@cogapp.com> Message-ID: cheese? On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > On 26/02/2013 18:51, Kevin Miller wrote: > >> We didn't want to take people's eyes off the main target. However we are >> almost there. I will post stretch goals shortly. >> > > Kevin grows handlebar moustache. > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue Feb 26 14:56:18 2013 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:56:18 +0100 Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! In-Reply-To: References: <512D0CDA.3040902@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <5A1114A9-F636-45F4-9AC5-D80DF65D9248@numericable.com> Camembert ! Le 26 f?vr. 2013 ? 20:47, Mike Kerner a ?crit : > cheese? > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > >> On 26/02/2013 18:51, Kevin Miller wrote: >> >>> We didn't want to take people's eyes off the main target. However we are >>> almost there. I will post stretch goals shortly. >>> >> >> Kevin grows handlebar moustache. >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 14:57:39 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:57:39 +0200 Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! In-Reply-To: References: <512D0CDA.3040902@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <512D13B3.80607@gmail.com> On 02/26/2013 09:46 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > On 27/02/2013, at 6:28 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > >>> We didn't want to take people's eyes off the main target. However we are >>> almost there. I will post stretch goals shortly. >> Kevin grows handlebar moustache. > What about his beard is one of those ones without the moustache... there great! ;-) Much favoured by Wahabi Muslims. > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From kevin at runrev.com Tue Feb 26 14:58:45 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:58:45 +0000 Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! In-Reply-To: <5A1114A9-F636-45F4-9AC5-D80DF65D9248@numericable.com> Message-ID: Oh my word, did someone say cheese!? Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 26/02/2013 19:56, "Ren? Micout" wrote: >Camembert ! > >Le 26 f?vr. 2013 ? 20:47, Mike Kerner a ?crit >: > >> cheese? >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Ben Rubinstein >>wrote: >> >>> On 26/02/2013 18:51, Kevin Miller wrote: >>> >>>> We didn't want to take people's eyes off the main target. However we >>>>are >>>> almost there. I will post stretch goals shortly. >>>> >>> >>> Kevin grows handlebar moustache. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> >>>http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode>>rev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth >> On the second day, God created the oceans. >> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, >> and did a little diving. >> And God said, "This is good." >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 15:00:43 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:00:43 +0200 Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! In-Reply-To: <5A1114A9-F636-45F4-9AC5-D80DF65D9248@numericable.com> References: <512D0CDA.3040902@cogapp.com> <5A1114A9-F636-45F4-9AC5-D80DF65D9248@numericable.com> Message-ID: <512D146B.3090401@gmail.com> On 02/26/2013 09:56 PM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Camembert ! The cheese is a whole lot smellier and tastier than that: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode/posts/414431?ref=email&show_token=a2e9f23baa93d199 we'll all be lining up for a serious case of fatted-degeneration of the heart before we know it. Slobber, slobber. Richmond. > > Le 26 f?vr. 2013 ? 20:47, Mike Kerner a ?crit : > >> cheese? >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: >> >>> On 26/02/2013 18:51, Kevin Miller wrote: >>> >>>> We didn't want to take people's eyes off the main target. However we are >>>> almost there. I will post stretch goals shortly. >>>> >>> Kevin grows handlebar moustache. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> >> -- >> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth >> On the second day, God created the oceans. >> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, >> and did a little diving. >> And God said, "This is good." >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From andrew at ctech.me Tue Feb 26 15:14:20 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:14:20 -0600 Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! In-Reply-To: <512D146B.3090401@gmail.com> References: <512D0CDA.3040902@cogapp.com> <5A1114A9-F636-45F4-9AC5-D80DF65D9248@numericable.com> <512D146B.3090401@gmail.com> Message-ID: Is it me or does it look like someone pulled a couple thousand dollar pledge? On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 02/26/2013 09:56 PM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> Camembert ! >> > > The cheese is a whole lot smellier and tastier than that: > > http://www.kickstarter.com/**projects/1755283828/open-** > source-edition-of-livecode/**posts/414431?ref=email&show_** > token=a2e9f23baa93d199 > > we'll all be lining up for a serious case of fatted-degeneration of the > heart before we know it. > > Slobber, slobber. > > Richmond. > > > >> Le 26 f?vr. 2013 ? 20:47, Mike Kerner a >> ?crit : >> >> cheese? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Ben Rubinstein >>> wrote: >>> >>> On 26/02/2013 18:51, Kevin Miller wrote: >>>> >>>> We didn't want to take people's eyes off the main target. However we >>>>> are >>>>> almost there. I will post stretch goals shortly. >>>>> >>>>> Kevin grows handlebar moustache. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/****mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> <**http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth >>> On the second day, God created the oceans. >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, >>> and did a little diving. >>> And God said, "This is good." >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Feb 26 15:15:08 2013 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:15:08 -0500 Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! In-Reply-To: References: <512D0CDA.3040902@cogapp.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 27/02/2013, at 6:28 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > > > Kevin grows handlebar moustache. > > What about his beard is one of those ones without the moustache... there > great! ;-) > What if Kevin grows a handlebar mustache on of the bear he is going to grow? And he has to hire two birds to perch on it. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.clarify-it.com - www.screensteps.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 15:22:38 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:22:38 +0200 Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! In-Reply-To: References: <512D0CDA.3040902@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <512D198E.5030405@gmail.com> Just written to "Cousin Stephen"who set up the first computer at Imperial College and who turned me onto computer programming some 38 years ago. http://journalogy.net/Author/1875168/stephen-c-mathewson Let's hope he helps!!! Richmond. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 26 15:24:13 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! References: <5A1114A9-F636-45F4-9AC5-D80DF65D9248@numericable.com> Message-ID: Kevin Miller writes: > > Oh my word, did someone say cheese!? This is not the cheese you're looking for. Move along, move along... -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From nm at studionm.pl Tue Feb 26 15:52:01 2013 From: nm at studionm.pl (Marek Niesiobedzki) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:52:01 +0100 Subject: Only 11.000 missing Message-ID: <85E8211A-5904-47D9-9728-477C2366FDA4@studionm.pl> Like in subject. It's over 339,000 now and 36 hours left Marek From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 16:00:59 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:00:59 +1100 Subject: Only 11.000 missing In-Reply-To: <85E8211A-5904-47D9-9728-477C2366FDA4@studionm.pl> References: <85E8211A-5904-47D9-9728-477C2366FDA4@studionm.pl> Message-ID: <6581148E-3E07-46D6-834C-BA20C4FD0249@sweattechnologies.com> Lol.. that's so 10 minutes ago.. 9.5k now! On 27/02/2013, at 7:52 AM, Marek Niesiobedzki wrote: > Like in subject. It's over 339,000 now and 36 hours left > > Marek > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 26 16:04:40 2013 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:04:40 -0300 Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! In-Reply-To: <512D13B3.80607@gmail.com> References: <512D0CDA.3040902@cogapp.com> <512D13B3.80607@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Richmond wrote: > Much favoured by Wahabi Muslims. I read Wasabi Muslin and that was a very strange picture... -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 16:13:11 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:13:11 +0200 Subject: [OT] Crashed Linux Message-ID: <512D2567.8030503@gmail.com> This beats doing a hard reboot: http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt Richmond. From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 16:17:14 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:17:14 -0500 Subject: Only 11.000 missing In-Reply-To: <6581148E-3E07-46D6-834C-BA20C4FD0249@sweattechnologies.com> References: <85E8211A-5904-47D9-9728-477C2366FDA4@studionm.pl> <6581148E-3E07-46D6-834C-BA20C4FD0249@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Man, that's so one minute ago, <7k now. On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Lol.. that's so 10 minutes ago.. 9.5k now! From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 16:19:55 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:19:55 +0200 Subject: Stretch Goaaaals?! In-Reply-To: References: <512D0CDA.3040902@cogapp.com> <512D13B3.80607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512D26FB.2030101@gmail.com> On 02/26/2013 11:04 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Richmond wrote: > >> Much favoured by Wahabi Muslims. > > I read Wasabi Muslin and that was a very strange picture... > > > > But not really, presumably 'Wasabi Muslin' is green, and that is the colour much favoured by Mohammed Abdul Wahab and his followers. They were great ones for growing big beards but shaving their moustaches, as, oddly enough, are the Amish in Pennsylvania and Illinois. Richmond. From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Feb 26 16:19:59 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:19:59 -0500 Subject: Only 11.000 missing In-Reply-To: References: <85E8211A-5904-47D9-9728-477C2366FDA4@studionm.pl> <6581148E-3E07-46D6-834C-BA20C4FD0249@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: this is so anticlimactic. if only it was 6 hours to go On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Man, that's so one minute ago, <7k now. > > > On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Monte Goulding > wrote: > > > Lol.. that's so 10 minutes ago.. 9.5k now! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 16:29:12 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:29:12 -0500 Subject: Only 11.000 missing In-Reply-To: References: <85E8211A-5904-47D9-9728-477C2366FDA4@studionm.pl> <6581148E-3E07-46D6-834C-BA20C4FD0249@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Two more lifetime license pledges and it will be past 100%. From livfoss at mac.com Tue Feb 26 16:31:59 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:31:59 +0100 Subject: Mundane stuff - duplicate stack problem Message-ID: <10DB9270-959A-4D23-9CAB-38467C16D17B@mac.com> Hi I feel a bit of a rat asking this list an ordinary question at this time. I'm just as excited as anyone else, but I'm trying to keep calm... I have an odd problem concerning a desktop app, being developed on a Mac with LC 5.5.4: I'm using the well-known splash screen technique. have a template of my data stack (with substacks) in one part of my filing system, and I put a copy of this stack into a different directory when the program initialises. I don't use 'clone' to do the copying because 'clone' doesn't seem to copy substacks. I simply do a copy as in put URL ("binfile:" & tTemplatePath) into URL ("binfile:" & gdataStackPath) This works. Now if I quit LiveCode completely then reload it, then restart the program (in the IDE) with only my splash stack present, when the splash stack tries to open the data stack (which of course in structure and naming is identical to my template stack) I get a warning that the template stack is already open and is clashing (has the same name, tho not the same filename) as the stack I'm trying to open. But up to the statement immediately before my script's attempt to open the data stack, the openStacks shows only my splash stack. AFAICS there's nothing in the data stack that would attempt to reload itself, so what's going on? Any suggestions welcome. Maybe I'm just too tired, but I can't see it. TIA Graham From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 16:34:21 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:34:21 -0500 Subject: 100% Message-ID: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> Hopefully nobody will reduce their pledge in the next 35 hours! From johnpatten at me.com Tue Feb 26 16:34:32 2013 From: johnpatten at me.com (JOHN PATTEN) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:34:32 -0800 Subject: Congratulations RunRev! Message-ID: <29D11714-C137-48DD-A4E2-03E64C7DDF90@me.com> Bam! Very cool! From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Feb 26 16:34:47 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:34:47 -0500 Subject: Only 11.000 missing In-Reply-To: References: <85E8211A-5904-47D9-9728-477C2366FDA4@studionm.pl> <6581148E-3E07-46D6-834C-BA20C4FD0249@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: As we pass the mark, right.....now, I can honestly say I laughed when I saw the goal. "They'll never get there". From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Feb 26 16:35:05 2013 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:35:05 -0500 Subject: Only 11.000 missing In-Reply-To: References: <85E8211A-5904-47D9-9728-477C2366FDA4@studionm.pl> <6581148E-3E07-46D6-834C-BA20C4FD0249@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: so on to stretch goals. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > As we pass the mark, right.....now, I can honestly say I laughed when I > saw the goal. "They'll never get there". > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue Feb 26 16:36:02 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:36:02 +0000 Subject: Success!! Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01033D3F@Peas2.byu.local> Just passed 100%! I went in just before that and bumped my pledge up again, just to be part of the final push. :) Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 16:36:09 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:36:09 +0200 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> Message-ID: <512D2AC9.8030606@gmail.com> On 02/26/2013 11:34 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Hopefully nobody will reduce their pledge in the next 35 hours! That would be sinking about as low as one could get. Richmond. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 26 16:36:14 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Congratulations RunRev! References: <29D11714-C137-48DD-A4E2-03E64C7DDF90@me.com> Message-ID: Funded!!! -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From livfoss at mac.com Tue Feb 26 16:36:38 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:36:38 +0100 Subject: Congratulatons!!! Message-ID: Just gone over the 350K. Many Many congrats Kevin and everyone who worked so hard to make it happen. Phew (expletives deleted). Graham From lvhdgc7 at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 16:37:19 2013 From: lvhdgc7 at gmail.com (tbodine) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:37:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> Woohoo! I have done a 180 on this campaign from pessimist to optimist. -- Tom Bodine -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/100-tp4661281p4661287.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From revolution at derbrill.de Tue Feb 26 16:38:44 2013 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:38:44 +0100 Subject: Wohoooohoooohoooohooooo!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Off to remove those nasty german comments from animationEngine. :-) Well done all !!! Congrats runrev. The future is bright. From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue Feb 26 16:38:43 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:38:43 +0000 Subject: Only 11.000 missing In-Reply-To: <85E8211A-5904-47D9-9728-477C2366FDA4@studionm.pl> References: <85E8211A-5904-47D9-9728-477C2366FDA4@studionm.pl> Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01033E18@Peas2.byu.local> Seriously, that's like if Kirk saved the Enterprise from self destructing with a minute and a half to go! Boring! ;) On Feb 26, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Marek Niesiobedzki wrote: > Like in subject. It's over 339,000 now and 36 hours left > > Marek > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 16:39:16 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:39:16 +0200 Subject: Congratulations RunRev! In-Reply-To: References: <29D11714-C137-48DD-A4E2-03E64C7DDF90@me.com> Message-ID: <512D2B84.6030201@gmail.com> On 02/26/2013 11:36 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Funded!!! > Right On! Will RunRev publish a list of donors? or is that meant to be confidential? Richmond. From jacques.hausser at unil.ch Tue Feb 26 16:41:52 2013 From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:41:52 +0100 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <512D2AC9.8030606@gmail.com> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <512D2AC9.8030606@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, and now I have to check if my credit card is provisioned enough? ;-) From admin at FlexibleLearning.com Tue Feb 26 16:43:17 2013 From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:43:17 -0000 Subject: 101% and rising In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just turned 9:35 pm here in the UK and the Kickstarter thermometer stands at 101% or ?353,859. Oops, now ?353,984. So now I have to wait for ?354,000... Yeah! At 9:40pm. This is doing absolutely no good at all to my blood pressure. Hugh Senior FLCo From mpetrides at earthlink.net Tue Feb 26 16:43:46 2013 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides, M.D.) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:43:46 -0600 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> Message-ID: Well, we're already 4,000 pounds above the 100% point so there is already some room for play, should someone be such a scumbucket. On Feb 26, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Hopefully nobody will reduce their pledge in the next 35 hours! From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Feb 26 16:43:57 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Congratulations RunRev! References: <29D11714-C137-48DD-A4E2-03E64C7DDF90@me.com> <512D2B84.6030201@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richmond writes: > Will RunRev publish a list of donors? or is that meant to be confidential? -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mpetrides at earthlink.net Tue Feb 26 16:44:46 2013 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides, M.D.) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:44:46 -0600 Subject: 101% and rising - YIPPEE! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <273CF929-6731-4040-8BD7-0B4552055D28@earthlink.net> Yippeee!!! From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Feb 26 16:46:28 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:46:28 -0800 Subject: Congratulations, community! Message-ID: <512D2D34.1090707@fourthworld.com> While the folks at RunRev are no doubt jubilant with the Kickstarter campaign having achieved its initial goal, the real winners here are you, the community that made it happen. The world said, "We want the most productive way to build apps available for everyone!" - and you got it. Congratulations, world. Well done. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From bogdanoff at me.com Tue Feb 26 16:48:17 2013 From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:48:17 -0800 Subject: in app purchases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm interested in a desktop external for sure. Peter Bogdanoff UCLA On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:01 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Howdy > > A little question for those of you that have implemented in app purchases. The lesson here http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4069/l/48771-How-do-I-implement-in-app-purchases-in-LiveCode- > > states that mobileEnablePurchaseUpdates and mobileDisablePurchaseUpdates should be turned on and off for each purchsase. However I can only assume that this purchase updates is adding and removing an SKPaymentTransactionObserver and the apple docs seem to indicate you should assign this at startup and leave it alone... > > Your application should associate an observer with the payment queue when it launches, rather than wait until the user attempts to purchase an item. Transactions are not lost when an application terminates. The next time the application launches, Store Kit resumes processing transactions. Adding the observer during your application?s initialization ensures that all transactions are returned to your application. > > Anyone got any comments? > > Also... how interested are people in there being a desktop external for this? > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 17:03:32 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:03:32 +1100 Subject: Success!! In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01033D3F@Peas2.byu.local> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01033D3F@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <41037A03-791D-4295-A790-E2F045691B0D@sweattechnologies.com> It's sure going to be a celebration @ https://plus.google.com/events/c9ps7jck84e2gfpt7s1orn2e1os?authkey=CLL7h5z5qPKLSA on Thursday On 27/02/2013, at 8:36 AM, Devin Asay wrote: > Just passed 100%! I went in just before that and bumped my pledge up again, just to be part of the final push. > > :) > > > Devin Asay > Office of Digital Humanities > Brigham Young University > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From gcanyon at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 16:58:46 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:58:46 -0600 Subject: Congratulations RunRev! In-Reply-To: <512D2B84.6030201@gmail.com> References: <29D11714-C137-48DD-A4E2-03E64C7DDF90@me.com> <512D2B84.6030201@gmail.com> Message-ID: Kickstarter does this. Click the Backers link near the top of the page. gc Sent from my iPad On Feb 26, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Richmond wrote: > Will RunRev publish a list of donors? or is that meant to be confidential? From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 16:59:05 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:59:05 -0500 Subject: proposal for Kevin... Message-ID: Kevin, can you try to find a lineup that you can easily reproduce each day, and do a time-lapse series of photos? To show your beard growth, of course! From janschenkel at yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 17:01:53 2013 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:01:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <512D2AC9.8030606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1361916113.82001.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Heh, I was late to the pledging party and now I have to call my bank tomorrow to see if I can bump mine up ;-) Day-job kept me occupied with a deluge of deadlines and fires to put out, so I could barely keep an eye on this. It looks like we got Resolution Independence now - with a little help we can get to Pluggable Themes! Time to do a little happy dance! Jan Schenkel ? ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jacques Hausser To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:41 PM Subject: Re: 100% Well, and now I have to check if my credit card is provisioned enough? ;-) _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 17:16:37 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:16:37 +1100 Subject: proposal for Kevin... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BFEE9B-FA76-4863-903D-9B8631FC72AC@sweattechnologies.com> We did add the beard sans moustache to the resolution independence goal did we not... perhaps if we get to cocoa we should make it a moustache that attaches to the sideburns.... On 27/02/2013, at 8:59 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Kevin, can you try to find a lineup that you can easily reproduce each day, and do a time-lapse series of photos? To show your beard growth, of course! -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 17:20:54 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:20:54 -0500 Subject: proposal for Kevin... In-Reply-To: <43BFEE9B-FA76-4863-903D-9B8631FC72AC@sweattechnologies.com> References: <43BFEE9B-FA76-4863-903D-9B8631FC72AC@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <71B3048B-9628-440F-92F5-99E23A0A4D6A@verizon.net> Don't like the sound of that took, too much chance of being shot if he goes to the theatre. On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:16 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > We did add the beard sans moustache to the resolution independence goal did we not From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Tue Feb 26 17:22:52 2013 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:22:52 -0800 Subject: LiveCode on ARM Linux? Message-ID: <57BB6D403A2B4D10B6CF36A0D2FD9F9D@PAULD> I've been playing with a Gumstix board, which runs Linux on an OMAP processor, and which uses XFCE for a desktop environment. Is it likely that the Linux desktop version of LiveCode can be compiled to work in this environment, or would that be a major job? -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 17:31:34 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:31:34 +1100 Subject: LiveCode on ARM Linux? In-Reply-To: <57BB6D403A2B4D10B6CF36A0D2FD9F9D@PAULD> References: <57BB6D403A2B4D10B6CF36A0D2FD9F9D@PAULD> Message-ID: <04CDE835-C37C-4ACD-B854-D7AFA88FF413@sweattechnologies.com> http://blog.runrev.com/blog/bid/270735/LiveCode-on-Raspberry-Pi On 27/02/2013, at 9:22 AM, Paul D. DeRocco wrote: > I've been playing with a Gumstix board, which runs Linux on an OMAP > processor, and which uses XFCE for a desktop environment. Is it likely that > the Linux desktop version of LiveCode can be compiled to work in this > environment, or would that be a major job? -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 17:39:56 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:39:56 +1100 Subject: in app purchases In-Reply-To: <9C9AD09A-4DAC-4B7A-AC3C-9F8CDCF26601@icloud.com> References: <9C9AD09A-4DAC-4B7A-AC3C-9F8CDCF26601@icloud.com> Message-ID: On 27/02/2013, at 3:12 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > My experience was that turning on updates and leaving them on actually caused more problems. I ended up with all kinds of weird behavior, especially when downloads did not complete. But in my case, I had large files downloading, so it was easy to interrupt them (i.e. closing the app while a download was in progress). I also didn't want the app to immediately start checking for incomplete purchases immediately when launching. It just doesn't really make sense with the way we have the app structured. So in One Minute Reader, I turn on updates when a purchase is initiated and turn them off when a purchase is finished. > > Also, Apple's docs, if I remember correctly, said to wait until delivery of content is complete before sending the delivery confirmation. I know this sounds strange, but this didn't work for me. I finally tried sending the delivery confirmation as soon as purchaseStateUpdate received a "paymentReceived" state. Then, after sending delivery confirmation, the app downloads the content. I know it seems a little backwards, but again, we were getting all kinds of weird results doing it the other way when the download would get interrupted. > > Anyway, not sure if this helps at all. This was just my experience, for whatever it's worth. Hmm... in my case the actual data to be installed as a result of the purchase will already be downloaded and/or distributed with the app... So it's just the sale going through.... Could you explain the weird behavior a bit more? -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 17:43:33 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:43:33 +1100 Subject: in app purchases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have yet to tackle the Mac App Store with LiveCode although the current app I'm implementing may go there. Trevor keeps saying it can't be done any more without Cocoa... So I may need to wait for Cocoa to do this... Here's hoping we hit ?405k. On 27/02/2013, at 8:48 AM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > I'm interested in a desktop external for sure. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From sc at sahores-conseil.com Tue Feb 26 17:40:15 2013 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:40:15 +0100 Subject: Congratulations RunRev! In-Reply-To: References: <29D11714-C137-48DD-A4E2-03E64C7DDF90@me.com> Message-ID: <3A84A6E0-836E-4A82-82DC-4552310CC506@sahores-conseil.com> Champagne !!! Le 26 f?vr. 2013 ? 22:36, Mark Wieder a ?crit : > Funded!!! > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From jallijn at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 17:40:23 2013 From: jallijn at gmail.com (John Allijn) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:40:23 +0100 Subject: Congratulations RunRev! In-Reply-To: References: <29D11714-C137-48DD-A4E2-03E64C7DDF90@me.com> <512D2B84.6030201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1AA8E155-A568-4757-97FA-5C6736135004@gmail.com> Cool!!! Congratulations to Runrev and to us all ! This will make the world a better place to code in :) Sent from my iPad On 26 feb. 2013, at 22:58, Geoff Canyon wrote: > Kickstarter does this. Click the Backers link near the top of the page. > > gc > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 26, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Richmond wrote: > >> Will RunRev publish a list of donors? or is that meant to be confidential? > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue Feb 26 17:39:41 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:39:41 +0000 Subject: Mundane stuff - duplicate stack problem In-Reply-To: <10DB9270-959A-4D23-9CAB-38467C16D17B@mac.com> References: <10DB9270-959A-4D23-9CAB-38467C16D17B@mac.com> Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0103441E@Peas2.byu.local> Graham, Does it help if you set the destroyStack property to true for the template stack? Devin On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: > Hi > > I feel a bit of a rat asking this list an ordinary question at this time. I'm just as excited as anyone else, but I'm trying to keep calm... I have an odd problem concerning a desktop app, being developed on a Mac with LC 5.5.4: > > I'm using the well-known splash screen technique. have a template of my data stack (with substacks) in one part of my filing system, and I put a copy of this stack into a different directory when the program initialises. I don't use 'clone' to do the copying because 'clone' doesn't seem to copy substacks. I simply do a copy as in > > put URL ("binfile:" & tTemplatePath) into URL ("binfile:" & gdataStackPath) > > This works. Now if I quit LiveCode completely then reload it, then restart the program (in the IDE) with only my splash stack present, when the splash stack tries to open the data stack (which of course in structure and naming is identical to my template stack) I get a warning that the template stack is already open and is clashing (has the same name, tho not the same filename) as the stack I'm trying to open. But up to the statement immediately before my script's attempt to open the data stack, the openStacks shows only my splash stack. AFAICS there's nothing in the data stack that would attempt to reload itself, so what's going on? > > Any suggestions welcome. Maybe I'm just too tired, but I can't see it. > > TIA > > Graham > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 17:52:58 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:52:58 +1100 Subject: Thankyou Message-ID: <77EFE9DC-116E-4F4B-B112-21D969B3A4FC@sweattechnologies.com> Hi Folks I just wanted to say a big THANK YOU to all of you that have put your money where your mouth is and to RunRev for being prepared to share their very valuable IP. As you know I'm on a personal mission to push LiveCode beyond the limits of what we previously thought was possible. This move is going to make a big difference to that mission and in turn to all the apps and developers reliant on it. 2 weeks ago I was getting seriously stressed that the first conference I've managed to commit to going to after being in this community for around 14 years was going to be depressing if we missed out on this. Now I'm sure it's going to be a conference that nobody will want to miss and I'm stoked I'll be there!!! Thanks again! Monte -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From benr_mc at cogapp.com Tue Feb 26 17:36:50 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:36:50 +0000 Subject: Congratulations, community! In-Reply-To: <512D2D34.1090707@fourthworld.com> References: <512D2D34.1090707@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <512D3902.9000207@cogapp.com> On 26/02/2013 21:46, Richard Gaskin wrote: > While the folks at RunRev are no doubt jubilant with the Kickstarter campaign > having achieved its initial goal, the real winners here are you, the community > that made it happen. > > The world said, "We want the most productive way to build apps available for > everyone!" - and you got it. > > Congratulations, world. Well done. And of the world, special congratulations to Colin and Monte who I think have been amazing. Ben From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 17:56:31 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:56:31 +1100 Subject: Congratulations, community! In-Reply-To: <512D3902.9000207@cogapp.com> References: <512D2D34.1090707@fourthworld.com> <512D3902.9000207@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <69F6FD06-249D-42F3-B9D9-99554D4AB685@sweattechnologies.com> On 27/02/2013, at 9:36 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > And of the world, special congratulations to Colin and Monte who I think have been amazing. You can't name me in the same scentence as the guy that got The Woz to pledge... seriously... What about Richard getting Jono Bacon to tweet? I don't know anybody important that's not on this list. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Tue Feb 26 17:53:06 2013 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:53:06 +0100 Subject: How to create graphics like the ones in Windows screensaver "mystify"? Message-ID: <03E9A5A0-ECE1-4AF1-8FE8-F8DE88871E35@m-r-d.de> Hi, i need to create grapics in LiveCode like the ones in the windows screensaver "mystify". See here, what kind of graphics i mean. I do need to create graphics with several curves, like you can see in the image at https://dl.dropbox.com/s/1vy2vjdivchjtfx/index.html I am not a math genie, but i think it is all about bezier curves. I need to create and manipulate that curves by program. I do not need to do animation. Just manipulate the curves by changing values. Is there anyone who could put me into the right direction? I found an old post in in which Jim Hurley posted a link to a stack which was able to create such graphics. But unfortunately the link is not valid anymore And on RevOnline i just find Jim Hurley?s Kaleidoscope DeLuxe stack. Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 26 17:56:02 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:56:02 -0600 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/26/13 3:37 PM, tbodine wrote: > Woohoo! I have done a 180 on this campaign from pessimist to optimist. Me too, I didn't really believe it would happen. Amazing! Too cool. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Tue Feb 26 18:05:16 2013 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:05:16 -0500 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <013001ce1475$be023d30$3a06b790$@net> If we are at 100% can I still get in? I am still a little fuzzy on how this all works. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:56 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: 100% On 2/26/13 3:37 PM, tbodine wrote: > Woohoo! I have done a 180 on this campaign from pessimist to optimist. Me too, I didn't really believe it would happen. Amazing! Too cool. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 18:11:36 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:11:36 +1100 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <013001ce1475$be023d30$3a06b790$@net> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <013001ce1475$be023d30$3a06b790$@net> Message-ID: <213520DB-544B-453A-B4BB-8CB1B94BBC64@sweattechnologies.com> Sure can. There's stretch goals now! On 27/02/2013, at 10:05 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > If we are at 100% can I still get in? I am still a little fuzzy on how this > all works. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From revolution at derbrill.de Tue Feb 26 18:07:47 2013 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:07:47 +0100 Subject: wow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One kickstarter comment: Carl Garcia 14 minutes ago @Larry Tesler. Hi Larry --Carl from the "original" Apple Cocoa project here :)...glad to hear you are contributing here as well. @Everyone, just wanted to seed the idea that LC could, in theory, now be integrated into WebToolkit under the GPL license. Perhaps right next to /trunk/Source/JavaScriptCore:) One idea is to use a different protocol, like stack:// that could then launch stacks available on the Internet. Parameters can still be passed using similar URI and GET/POST/PUT/DELETE/CONNECT/... methods. Now that would be amazing, wouldn't it? From jhj at jhj.com Tue Feb 26 18:13:07 2013 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:13:07 -0800 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <213520DB-544B-453A-B4BB-8CB1B94BBC64@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <013001ce1475$be023d30$3a06b790$@net> <213520DB-544B-453A-B4BB-8CB1B94BBC64@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: And I'd sure like to see the Cocoa one met at $405! Onward! Well played, everybody. .Jerry On Feb 26, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Sure can. There's stretch goals now! > > On 27/02/2013, at 10:05 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > >> If we are at 100% can I still get in? I am still a little fuzzy on how this >> all works. From benr_mc at cogapp.com Tue Feb 26 18:22:06 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:22:06 +0000 Subject: Congratulations, community! In-Reply-To: <69F6FD06-249D-42F3-B9D9-99554D4AB685@sweattechnologies.com> References: <512D2D34.1090707@fourthworld.com> <512D3902.9000207@cogapp.com> <69F6FD06-249D-42F3-B9D9-99554D4AB685@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <512D439E.9050905@cogapp.com> On 26/02/2013 22:56, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 27/02/2013, at 9:36 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > >> And of the world, special congratulations to Colin and Monte who I think have been amazing. > > You can't name me in the same scentence as the guy that got The Woz to pledge... seriously... What about Richard getting Jono Bacon to tweet? I don't know anybody important that's not on this list. I was thinking of your donations of mergExt as well as your cheerleading. And of course Richard has done wonderful things especially in the Linux community, and Peter's brilliantly just-do-it launching of the 1001 things blog was a great stroke... ... OK, can I at least say that you're all above average, like a child in Lake Wobegon? From lvhdgc7 at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 18:36:44 2013 From: lvhdgc7 at gmail.com (tbodine) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:36:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <013001ce1475$be023d30$3a06b790$@net> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <013001ce1475$be023d30$3a06b790$@net> Message-ID: <1361921804279-4661323.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Ray. Yes, you can still get in on this. Here are some details: You can pledge anytime before the campaign time expires (Thursday Feb 28, 4:17am EST) and get all the benefits for whichever level you choose. The motivation to drive fundraising higher now is to hit the "stretch goals" that will put more LiveCode advances on a fast track. Here's a summary of those goals: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode/posts -- Tom Bodine -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/100-tp4661281p4661323.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lvhdgc7 at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 18:37:42 2013 From: lvhdgc7 at gmail.com (tbodine) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:37:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <1361921804279-4661323.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <013001ce1475$be023d30$3a06b790$@net> <1361921804279-4661323.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1361921862249-4661324.post@n4.nabble.com> Sorry, Ralph (not Ray). -- Tom Bodine -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/100-tp4661281p4661324.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 18:42:43 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:42:43 +1100 Subject: Congratulations, community! In-Reply-To: <512D439E.9050905@cogapp.com> References: <512D2D34.1090707@fourthworld.com> <512D3902.9000207@cogapp.com> <69F6FD06-249D-42F3-B9D9-99554D4AB685@sweattechnologies.com> <512D439E.9050905@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <9CD3F846-9642-4C89-84E4-EC61C1A24ABC@sweattechnologies.com> On 27/02/2013, at 10:22 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > I was thinking of your donations of mergExt as well as your cheerleading. And of course Richard has done wonderful things especially in the Linux community, and Peter's brilliantly just-do-it launching of the 1001 things blog was a great stroke... I enjoy the cheerleading. If RunRev ever asks for applications for a Chief Chearleader I'm applying ;-) ...as long as I can do it form Tasmania... > > ... OK, can I at least say that you're all above average, like a child in Lake Wobegon? Say what you like. The answer will always be The Woz ;-) -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Tue Feb 26 18:39:14 2013 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:39:14 +0000 Subject: Congratulations, community! In-Reply-To: <512D439E.9050905@cogapp.com> References: <512D2D34.1090707@fourthworld.com> <512D3902.9000207@cogapp.com> <69F6FD06-249D-42F3-B9D9-99554D4AB685@sweattechnologies.com> <512D439E.9050905@cogapp.com> Message-ID: Amazing - really well done everyone! I am so happy :) And yes - a big thanks to Monte, Colin and everyone else that was big, loud and noisy - we needed you ! On 26 February 2013 23:22, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > On 26/02/2013 22:56, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> >> On 27/02/2013, at 9:36 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: >> >> And of the world, special congratulations to Colin and Monte who I think >>> have been amazing. >>> >> >> You can't name me in the same scentence as the guy that got The Woz to >> pledge... seriously... What about Richard getting Jono Bacon to tweet? I >> don't know anybody important that's not on this list. >> > > I was thinking of your donations of mergExt as well as your cheerleading. > And of course Richard has done wonderful things especially in the Linux > community, and Peter's brilliantly just-do-it launching of the 1001 things > blog was a great stroke... > > ... OK, can I at least say that you're all above average, like a child in > Lake Wobegon? > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From stelios at chronosinteractive.com Tue Feb 26 18:50:22 2013 From: stelios at chronosinteractive.com (Stelios Stylianou) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:50:22 -0700 Subject: Congratulations, community! In-Reply-To: <9CD3F846-9642-4C89-84E4-EC61C1A24ABC@sweattechnologies.com> References: <512D2D34.1090707@fourthworld.com> <512D3902.9000207@cogapp.com> <69F6FD06-249D-42F3-B9D9-99554D4AB685@sweattechnologies.com> <512D439E.9050905@cogapp.com> <9CD3F846-9642-4C89-84E4-EC61C1A24ABC@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <7426F0CD-0290-4590-A47C-D532B33BDD71@chronosinteractive.com> Congrats to RunRev and the community. As a former Hypercard, then Director developer and complete convert to LiveCode I couldn't be happier to see the success of this first step. I love the decision by RunRev to do this but also very excited to see the support from the Livecode community. Only good products, good direction and good leadership create this kind of support from users and developers. The future is bright! stelios stylianou - chronos.interactive - 303.988.1890 209 kalamath street - unit 6 - denver, co 80223 www.chronosinteractive.com - facebook - linkedin On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 27/02/2013, at 10:22 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > >> I was thinking of your donations of mergExt as well as your cheerleading. And of course Richard has done wonderful things especially in the Linux community, and Peter's brilliantly just-do-it launching of the 1001 things blog was a great stroke... > > I enjoy the cheerleading. If RunRev ever asks for applications for a Chief Chearleader I'm applying ;-) ...as long as I can do it form Tasmania... >> >> ... OK, can I at least say that you're all above average, like a child in Lake Wobegon? > > Say what you like. The answer will always be The Woz ;-) > > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 19:03:48 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:03:48 +1100 Subject: wow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes it's a huge idea. I'm not sure about the licensing implications for WebKit. It's currently LGPL so could potentially be integrated in closed source apps. Adding LC source would force it to be GPL I think so WebKit might need to be forked for this. The idea definitely highlights what becomes possible once it's open source. On 27/02/2013, at 10:07 AM, Malte Brill wrote: > @Larry Tesler. Hi Larry --Carl from the "original" Apple Cocoa project here :)...glad to hear you are contributing here as well. > @Everyone, just wanted to seed the idea that LC could, in theory, now be integrated into WebToolkit under the GPL license. Perhaps right next to /trunk/Source/JavaScriptCore:) One idea is to use a different protocol, like stack:// that could then launch stacks available on the Internet. Parameters can still be passed using similar URI and GET/POST/PUT/DELETE/CONNECT/... methods. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Feb 26 19:12:38 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:12:38 -0600 Subject: Mundane stuff - duplicate stack problem In-Reply-To: <10DB9270-959A-4D23-9CAB-38467C16D17B@mac.com> References: <10DB9270-959A-4D23-9CAB-38467C16D17B@mac.com> Message-ID: <512D4F76.5010004@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/26/13 3:31 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: > This works. Now if I quit LiveCode completely then reload it, then > restart the program (in the IDE) with only my splash stack present, > when the splash stack tries to open the data stack (which of course > in structure and naming is identical to my template stack) I get a > warning that the template stack is already open and is clashing (has > the same name, tho not the same filename) as the stack I'm trying to > open. But up to the statement immediately before my script's attempt > to open the data stack, the openStacks shows only my splash stack. > AFAICS there's nothing in the data stack that would attempt to reload > itself, so what's going on? Is there a substack in the splash with the same name? It wouldn't be in the openstacks, but it would be in memory. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From revdev at pdslabs.net Tue Feb 26 19:41:47 2013 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:41:47 -0800 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <1361921862249-4661324.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <013001ce1475$be023d30$3a06b790$@net> <1361921804279-4661323.post@n4.nabble.com> <1361921862249-4661324.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <512D564B.6090901@pdslabs.net> Judging from the luminaries already contacted by some here, I thought maybe you were BCCing Ray Kurzweil. ;-) Phil Davis On 2/26/13 3:37 PM, tbodine wrote: > Sorry, Ralph (not Ray). > -- Tom Bodine > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/100-tp4661281p4661324.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Phil Davis From andre at andregarzia.com Tue Feb 26 20:06:45 2013 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:06:45 -0300 Subject: wow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Guys, I think this will never happen and I can explain why: 1 - There are hundreds of other Free Open Source languages in the terms of the GPL and they were not included in WebKit. 2 - LiveCode has a single vendor. Its not a standard. It has no other implementation. 3 - LiveCode stacks are binary and the web is moving away from binary apps to js based apps even though NaCL exists on Chrome. Having a stack available with a protocol such as stack:// can be done today on all systems. You just register your application as the handler for the given protocol and then it just works. I have mine set so that x-livecode-stack:// opens in the IDE (or at least I had it in snow leopard, I don't think this change came thru in Lion) WebKit is not a unified thing. There is more than one WebKit out there, many ways to build it, many different javascript engines and build systems. The project will not incorportate a new scripting engine that is not backed by multiple vendors and is not a standard. If you want to see LiveCode stacks in a browser, join the open source effort for HTML5 deployment it can be done quick and dirty with emscripten or at a more elegant and useful level soon thru asm.js and others. Cheers andre On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Yes it's a huge idea. I'm not sure about the licensing implications for > WebKit. It's currently LGPL so could potentially be integrated in closed > source apps. Adding LC source would force it to be GPL I think so WebKit > might need to be forked for this. The idea definitely highlights what > becomes possible once it's open source. > > On 27/02/2013, at 10:07 AM, Malte Brill wrote: > > > @Larry Tesler. Hi Larry --Carl from the "original" Apple Cocoa project > here :)...glad to hear you are contributing here as well. > > @Everyone, just wanted to seed the idea that LC could, in theory, now be > integrated into WebToolkit under the GPL license. Perhaps right next to > /trunk/Source/JavaScriptCore:) One idea is to use a different protocol, > like stack:// that could then launch stacks available on the Internet. > Parameters can still be passed using similar URI and > GET/POST/PUT/DELETE/CONNECT/... methods. > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 20:18:40 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:18:40 +1100 Subject: wow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14AD0FE9-A316-4977-BFA8-E4FF72370AE0@sweattechnologies.com> On 27/02/2013, at 12:06 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > join the open source > effort for HTML5 deployment it can be done quick and dirty with emscripten > or at a more elegant and useful level soon thru asm.js and others. Is there an active project? The stack file export format I've come up with for VCS might suit this project well. It would require two things to be implemented. A LC script to JavaScript translator and an engine implemented in javascript to parse the JSON index and object files and present the stack and send messages. Not impossible I don't think... Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Feb 26 20:19:27 2013 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:19:27 -0500 Subject: in app purchases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > I have yet to tackle the Mac App Store with LiveCode although the current > app I'm implementing may go there. Trevor keeps saying it can't be done any > more without Cocoa... So I may need to wait for Cocoa to do this... Here's > hoping we hit ?405k. Well, if you don't use the answer/ask file dialogs and then you are golden. I believe there is weirdness between the cocoa dialogs required for sandboxing and the carbon LiveCode windows. http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10477 Oh yeah, and don't use sheets. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.clarify-it.com - www.screensteps.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue Feb 26 20:23:36 2013 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:23:36 -0800 Subject: in app purchases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: But...I thought Apple invented 'sheets'.... (grin) On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > > Oh yeah, and don't use sheets. > > -- > Trevor DeVoreStephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 20:28:33 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:28:33 +1100 Subject: in app purchases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4860684B-11A4-405A-83BA-5977B77D1132@sweattechnologies.com> Ok... Hmm... this app probably does need to be able to save as pdf. On 27/02/2013, at 12:19 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > Well, if you don't use the answer/ask file dialogs and then you are golden. > I believe there is weirdness between the cocoa dialogs required for > sandboxing and the carbon LiveCode windows. > > http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10477 > > Oh yeah, and don't use sheets. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Tue Feb 26 20:52:03 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:52:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: wow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1361929923237-4661336.post@n4.nabble.com> That would be mind blowing. I'm kind of glad I got started when I did, and I'll be around to see the revolution when it happens (and can proudly say I was a part of it) Bring it on!! Malte Brill wrote > One kickstarter comment: > > > Carl Garcia 14 minutes ago > @Larry Tesler. Hi Larry --Carl from the "original" Apple Cocoa project > here :)...glad to hear you are contributing here as well. > @Everyone, just wanted to seed the idea that LC could, in theory, now be > integrated into WebToolkit under the GPL license. Perhaps right next to > /trunk/Source/JavaScriptCore:) One idea is to use a different protocol, > like stack:// that could then launch stacks available on the Internet. > Parameters can still be passed using similar URI and > GET/POST/PUT/DELETE/CONNECT/... methods. > > Now that would be amazing, wouldn't it? > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at .runrev > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/wow-tp4661320p4661336.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Tue Feb 26 20:58:26 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:58:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1361930306802-4661337.post@n4.nabble.com> J. Landman Gay wrote > Me too, I didn't really believe it would happen. Amazing! Too cool. Hats off to RunRev for running such a great campaign... the last 4 days saw pledges of 34k, 47k, and now 67k with still 7 hours to go (+ a day). Its taken off like a rocket. At this pace they are going to comfortably meet all of their stretch goals. Kudos to all the people who kept the campaign rolling until the final week. -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/100-tp4661281p4661337.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Tue Feb 26 20:59:08 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:59:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <013001ce1475$be023d30$3a06b790$@net> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <013001ce1475$be023d30$3a06b790$@net> Message-ID: <1361930348296-4661338.post@n4.nabble.com> Ralph DiMola wrote > If we are at 100% can I still get in? I am still a little fuzzy on how > this > all works. Absolutely. Go pledge... we are working on stretch goals now. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/100-tp4661281p4661338.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Tue Feb 26 21:01:08 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:01:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <013001ce1475$be023d30$3a06b790$@net> <213520DB-544B-453A-B4BB-8CB1B94BBC64@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1361930468567-4661339.post@n4.nabble.com> Jerry Jensen wrote > And I'd sure like to see the Cocoa one met at $405! Onward! Well played, > everybody. > .Jerry Jerry, at the current pace Cocoa will be comfortably met, with change to spare. Its really cooking now. 67k today alone with still 7 hours to go, plus 1 day. -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/100-tp4661281p4661339.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 21:06:45 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:06:45 +1100 Subject: wow In-Reply-To: <1361929923237-4661336.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1361929923237-4661336.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8D14BD7F-9693-401F-B458-389ED9E1825B@sweattechnologies.com> On 27/02/2013, at 12:52 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > That would be mind blowing. I'm kind of glad I got started when I did, and > I'll be around to see the revolution when it happens (and can proudly say I > was a part of it) > > Bring it on!! Andre is right Mark. It would be a much more worthwhile project to work out a way to export a stackfile as a HTML5+JavaScript app. It would definitely be possible. I'm not convinced using one of the byte code -> JavaScript solutions would be the best option. I'd say properties to JSON, script to javascript then an engine to drive it all in javascript... Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Tue Feb 26 21:07:55 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:07:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: wow In-Reply-To: <8D14BD7F-9693-401F-B458-389ED9E1825B@sweattechnologies.com> References: <1361929923237-4661336.post@n4.nabble.com> <8D14BD7F-9693-401F-B458-389ED9E1825B@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1361930875751-4661341.post@n4.nabble.com> Monte Goulding wrote > Andre is right Mark. It would be a much more worthwhile project to work > out a way to export a stackfile as a HTML5+JavaScript app. It would > definitely be possible. I'm not convinced using one of the byte code -> > JavaScript solutions would be the best option. I'd say properties to JSON, > script to javascript then an engine to drive it all in javascript... Just as long as we can code it in LC, I'm happy (just recently looked into Json and the structure seems very straight forward). Cheers, -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/wow-tp4661320p4661341.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 21:16:10 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:16:10 +1100 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <1361930306802-4661337.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <1361930306802-4661337.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3036904D-B0F4-4E30-A78D-79FFA8AA490A@sweattechnologies.com> On 27/02/2013, at 12:58 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > At this pace they are going to comfortably meet all > of their stretch goals Er... I think there's more past Cocoa that Kevin is holding back. Hopefully in the last hours the total will be high enough that he feels confident telling us the next one. Here's a few that I'd like: - some way to get smooth scrolling of a group on mobile. My proposed solution is a new scroll to command that does asynchronous smooth ease in/out scrolling and accelerates/decelerates smoothly with each repeated command. - an anti-aliased beizer graphic or some other way to create a smooth antialiased curve from a polygon - a proper browser control - a complete overhaul of the player control - a complete overhaul of libURL including a high level rest client That's probably a good start... I'm sure other people want other stuff and I know Kevin wants to deliver it all! Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Tue Feb 26 21:11:56 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:11:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: in app purchases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1361931116874-4661343.post@n4.nabble.com> Monte Goulding wrote > So I may need to wait for Cocoa to do this... Here's hoping we hit ?405k. If current trends continue, we will meet that goal comfortably. -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/in-app-purchases-tp4661182p4661343.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 21:21:31 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:21:31 +1100 Subject: wow In-Reply-To: <1361930875751-4661341.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1361929923237-4661336.post@n4.nabble.com> <8D14BD7F-9693-401F-B458-389ED9E1825B@sweattechnologies.com> <1361930875751-4661341.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 27/02/2013, at 1:07 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > just recently looked into > Json and the structure seems very straight forward I've told the dev list but not the use list. I will have a desktop JSON external available shortly under a dual license on all three platforms. It offers significant speed improvements over the other Mark Smith's libJSON library for JSONToArray and ArrayTJSON... I'm using it for the VCS stuff which is why I started thinking of a javascript converter when I realised the stackfile structure I've come up with would be easy to deal with in JavaScript. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 21:18:12 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:18:12 -0500 Subject: in app purchases In-Reply-To: <1361931116874-4661343.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1361931116874-4661343.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: It did slow down later on, and with the main goal reached there isn't as much incentive to pledge. Don't forget that related to Plan B, the features are intended to be done, if at a slower rate. So, Cocoa is on the roadmap one way or an other. On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Mark Smith wrote: >> So I may need to wait for Cocoa to do this... Here's hoping we hit ?405k. > > If current trends continue, we will meet that goal comfortably. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 21:26:17 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:26:17 +1100 Subject: in app purchases In-Reply-To: References: <1361931116874-4661343.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9356FD3B-8503-41BE-ADD2-6AE5E8DE8265@sweattechnologies.com> On 27/02/2013, at 1:18 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > It did slow down later on, and with the main goal reached there isn't as much incentive to pledge. > > Don't forget that related to Plan B, the features are intended to be done, if at a slower rate. So, Cocoa is on the roadmap one way or an other. Nah... it slows down at this time of day every day. Another ?60+k day tomorrow please. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Tue Feb 26 21:23:56 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:23:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Congratulations RunRev! In-Reply-To: References: <29D11714-C137-48DD-A4E2-03E64C7DDF90@me.com> <512D2B84.6030201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1361931836049-4661347.post@n4.nabble.com> Geoff Canyon-4 wrote > Kickstarter does this. Click the Backers link near the top of the page. I just checked the most recent backers and we have a whole different crowd backing this now... its like the professional backers... there are a lot of people that have backed 40,50, 100, 200 projects. These people must just back anything that gets hot. Unlikely they even know what LC is. Good samaritans. -- M -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Congratulations-RunRev-tp4661282p4661347.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gcanyon at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 22:01:33 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:01:33 -0600 Subject: I posted on Slant, anyone who wants to improve my response can Message-ID: http://slant.co/topics/what-is-the-best-programming-language-to-learn-first/opinions/livecode I just put up a few notes. From andrew at ctech.me Tue Feb 26 22:14:00 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:14:00 -0600 Subject: wow In-Reply-To: References: <1361929923237-4661336.post@n4.nabble.com> <8D14BD7F-9693-401F-B458-389ED9E1825B@sweattechnologies.com> <1361930875751-4661341.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I use mark smith's library in nearly every project I've done the last 6 months. Excited to hear this, monte. Andrew On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 27/02/2013, at 1:07 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > > > just recently looked into > > Json and the structure seems very straight forward > > I've told the dev list but not the use list. I will have a desktop JSON > external available shortly under a dual license on all three platforms. It > offers significant speed improvements over the other Mark Smith's libJSON > library for JSONToArray and ArrayTJSON... > > I'm using it for the VCS stuff which is why I started thinking of a > javascript converter when I realised the stackfile structure I've come up > with would be easy to deal with in JavaScript. > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From gcanyon at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 22:22:07 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:22:07 -0600 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <3036904D-B0F4-4E30-A78D-79FFA8AA490A@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <1361930306802-4661337.post@n4.nabble.com> <3036904D-B0F4-4E30-A78D-79FFA8AA490A@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > a high level rest client I could have used this several times over the last couple years. - a proper browser control Definitely. I would add to this list a graphics library capable of doing roughly what Codea does -- useful in general, and particularly for kids to learn with. Nothing motivates kids more than making games. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 22:40:36 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:40:36 +1100 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <1361930306802-4661337.post@n4.nabble.com> <3036904D-B0F4-4E30-A78D-79FFA8AA490A@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <35622EA7-C646-4EEC-AC19-B87012882E91@sweattechnologies.com> On 27/02/2013, at 2:22 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > I could have used this several times over the last couple years. > > - a proper browser control > > > Definitely. > > I would add to this list a graphics library capable of doing roughly what > Codea does -- useful in general, and > particularly for kids to learn with. Nothing motivates kids more than > making games. A cocos2d-x extension would be ideal for this I think. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 23:07:37 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:07:37 -0500 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <35622EA7-C646-4EEC-AC19-B87012882E91@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <1361930306802-4661337.post@n4.nabble.com> <3036904D-B0F4-4E30-A78D-79FFA8AA490A@sweattechnologies.com> <35622EA7-C646-4EEC-AC19-B87012882E91@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <8DBD0E78-AB10-4D4F-9D5D-451C6C391328@verizon.net> Cocas2D, I think, really only gets you what you have in LiveCode when doing the special iOS graphics modes. What would be neat would be either Box2D or Nape (which would have to get a new acronym, because A stands for ActionScript). On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >A cocos2d-x extension would be ideal for this I think. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 23:15:06 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:15:06 +1100 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <8DBD0E78-AB10-4D4F-9D5D-451C6C391328@verizon.net> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <1361930306802-4661337.post@n4.nabble.com> <3036904D-B0F4-4E30-A78D-79FFA8AA490A@sweattechnologies.com> <35622EA7-C646-4EEC-AC19-B87012882E91@sweattechnologies.com> <8DBD0E78-AB10-4D4F-9D5D-451C6C391328@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8539B97A-4FEA-48DF-8B68-C3594574DEFE@sweattechnologies.com> I was thinking of physics On 27/02/2013, at 3:07 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Cocas2D, I think, really only gets you what you have in LiveCode when doing the special iOS graphics modes. What would be neat would be either Box2D or Nape (which would have to get a new acronym, because A stands for ActionScript). > > > On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >>> A cocos2d-x extension would be ideal for this I think. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 23:12:33 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:12:33 -0500 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <8539B97A-4FEA-48DF-8B68-C3594574DEFE@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <1361930306802-4661337.post@n4.nabble.com> <3036904D-B0F4-4E30-A78D-79FFA8AA490A@sweattechnologies.com> <35622EA7-C646-4EEC-AC19-B87012882E91@sweattechnologies.com> <8DBD0E78-AB10-4D4F-9D5D-451C6C391328@verizon.net> <8539B97A-4FEA-48DF-8B68-C3594574DEFE@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <653A2F6F-E781-4C23-89A8-CC0F8CE9135D@verizon.net> Yes, hence Box2D or Nape. Cocas2D is just 2D sprites, not physics. On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:15 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > I was thinking of physics From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 23:27:23 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:27:23 +1100 Subject: in app purchases In-Reply-To: References: <9C9AD09A-4DAC-4B7A-AC3C-9F8CDCF26601@icloud.com> Message-ID: Howdy I haven't tested my code yet but from what I can work out the example in the lesson doesn't deal with restoring purchases. It also doesn't deal with there being an interruption/shutdown between sending the purchase request and getting the purchaseStateUpdate message with the paymentRecieved state. Here's some example code which I think will handle these situations: on preOpenStack if the environment = "mobile" then if mobileCanMakePurchases() then mobileEnablePurchaseUpdates put "file:"&specialFolderPath("library")&"/furstrun.dat" into tURL if not url tURL then put true into url tURL mobileRestorePurchases end if -- install interrupted products repeat for each line tPurchaseID in mobilePurchases() purchaseStateUpdate tPurchaseID end repeat end if end if end preOpenStack on purchaseProduct pProductID if not mobileCanMakePurchase() then answer "Enable in app purchases to buy this product" else mobilePurchaseCreate pProductID put the result into tID mobilePurchaseSendRequest tID end if end purchaseProduct on purchaseStateUpdate pPurchaseID switch mobilePurchaseState(pPurchaseID) case "paymentReceived" case "restored" put specialFolderPath("documents")&"/"&mobilePurchaseGet("productID")&".dat" into tPath if there is not a file tPath then put url ("binfile:yourserver.com/products/"&&mobilePurchaseGet("productID")&".dat") into url ("binfile:"&tPath) end if mobilePurchaseConfirmDelivery pPurchaseID break case "error" answer "Error occured during purchase handling:" & return & return & mobilePurchaseError(pPurchaseID) break end switch end purchaseStateUpdate -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From dochawk at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 23:22:51 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:22:51 -0800 Subject: No developer license reward? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > All the reward licenses can be used to extend any existing license from > whenever it expires. > Including complete? And is there a two-year in there somewhere; I didn't find it (the three year is beyond current possibilities) -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Feb 26 23:28:30 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:28:30 +1100 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <653A2F6F-E781-4C23-89A8-CC0F8CE9135D@verizon.net> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <1361930306802-4661337.post@n4.nabble.com> <3036904D-B0F4-4E30-A78D-79FFA8AA490A@sweattechnologies.com> <35622EA7-C646-4EEC-AC19-B87012882E91@sweattechnologies.com> <8DBD0E78-AB10-4D4F-9D5D-451C6C391328@verizon.net> <8539B97A-4FEA-48DF-8B68-C3594574DEFE@sweattechnologies.com> <653A2F6F-E781-4C23-89A8-CC0F8CE9135D@verizon.net> Message-ID: <42C6A426-5127-4372-BFA9-8ECA7D28241C@sweattechnologies.com> OK,.. haven't used any of them but the samples I've seen look like physics with objects falling etc to me... On 27/02/2013, at 3:12 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Yes, hence Box2D or Nape. Cocas2D is just 2D sprites, not physics. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 23:38:56 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:38:56 -0500 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <42C6A426-5127-4372-BFA9-8ECA7D28241C@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <1361930306802-4661337.post@n4.nabble.com> <3036904D-B0F4-4E30-A78D-79FFA8AA490A@sweattechnologies.com> <35622EA7-C646-4EEC-AC19-B87012882E91@sweattechnologies.com> <8DBD0E78-AB10-4D4F-9D5D-451C6C391328@verizon.net> <8539B97A-4FEA-48DF-8B68-C3594574DEFE@sweattechnologies.com> <653A2F6F-E781-4C23-89A8-CC0F8CE9135D@verizon.net> <42C6A426-5127-4372-BFA9-8ECA7D28241C@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <98D27960-3101-4CB7-825D-297C34158517@verizon.net> People often bundle Cocos3D and Box3D. Cocos2D is the sprite engine, Box2D is the 2D physics engine. On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > OK,.. haven't used any of them but the samples I've seen look like physics with objects falling etc to me... From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 23:54:16 2013 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:54:16 +0800 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <3036904D-B0F4-4E30-A78D-79FFA8AA490A@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <1361930306802-4661337.post@n4.nabble.com> <3036904D-B0F4-4E30-A78D-79FFA8AA490A@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Monte Goulding < monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote: > Er... I think there's more past Cocoa that Kevin is holding back. > Hopefully in the last hours the total will be high enough that he feels > confident telling us the next one. > > What goes with Cocoa? A Lifetime supply of Wensleydale and crackers ;-) From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 00:07:18 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:07:18 +1100 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <1361930306802-4661337.post@n4.nabble.com> <3036904D-B0F4-4E30-A78D-79FFA8AA490A@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <517015D5-1211-48BC-93D9-03C5E3EEF387@sweattechnologies.com> On 27/02/2013, at 3:54 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > What goes with Cocoa? A Lifetime supply of Wensleydale and crackers ;-) I think if we get to Cocoa he should be required to also shave a something into the side of his head Vanilla Ice style... -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Wed Feb 27 00:07:44 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:07:44 -0800 Subject: No developer license reward? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D430993-38CC-451A-97EF-0CB03902DB05@pbh.on-rev.com> On 2013-02-26, at 8:22 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > >> All the reward licenses can be used to extend any existing license from >> whenever it expires. >> > > Including complete? I believe that will become the Commercial licence. AFAIK there will only be Open, Commercial and Enterprise licences soon. > > And is there a two-year in there somewhere; I didn't find it (the three > year is beyond current possibilities) > You could try asking RR if you could have 2 x the ?310 pledge, or add a ?310 and a ?640 together, or just make an offer, they seem to be very accommodating with the pledge amounts. Paul > > > -- > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From gcanyon at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 00:43:43 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:43:43 -0600 Subject: tweet that made me laugh In-Reply-To: References: <7C733536-4AA5-42CD-BB58-94E6948B1954@verizon.net> Message-ID: Mission Accomplished On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Colin Holgate writes: > > > Well, in the end she outed John Gruber about not replying to my email! > > Ha! Ilene came to check out a little usergroup meeting we threw together at > MacWorld a few years ago. > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From gerry.orkin at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 01:58:27 2013 From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:58:27 +1100 Subject: How do Kickstarter pledge tiers work? Message-ID: <4AA2014D-1EE0-40CA-98D7-74778818BC55@gmail.com> Hi all So I pledged at the ?310 tier. It says I get the rewards at that tier, plus those at the ?150 tier...the ?150 tier includes the rewards at the ?70 tier...which includes the rewards at the ?33 level...which includes...you get the idea. So do I get everything offered up to and including my pledge level? Gerry From heather at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 02:58:08 2013 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:58:08 +0000 Subject: How do Kickstarter pledge tiers work? In-Reply-To: <4AA2014D-1EE0-40CA-98D7-74778818BC55@gmail.com> References: <4AA2014D-1EE0-40CA-98D7-74778818BC55@gmail.com> Message-ID: <359EB157-85F5-4330-939C-FFF9C931157B@runrev.com> Yes, pretty much. There are some levels that aren't automatically included like the ?55 teacher training modules. If you read the descriptions for each level it should be fairly clear what is included at each step. Cheers Heather On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:58, Gerry Orkin wrote: > Hi all > > So I pledged at the ?310 tier. It says I get the rewards at that tier, plus those at the ?150 tier...the ?150 tier includes the rewards at the ?70 tier...which includes the rewards at the ?33 level...which includes...you get the idea. > > So do I get everything offered up to and including my pledge level? > > Gerry > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.runrev.com/ Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode From heather at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 03:03:28 2013 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:03:28 +0000 Subject: Thank you Message-ID: <23D37D46-65DE-46F6-963C-1D670573B1C1@runrev.com> You guys, every single one who contributed in any way, either by pledging or outreach or both - you Rock. This community has always been what made LiveCode great. With you guys on board, the future is very bright indeed. Monte, you're hired Colin? a medal Peter? pure genius It's hard to name names because (see above) Every Single One of You are heroes. I cannot wait to see the reality of LiveCode Next Gen. Heather Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.runrev.com/ Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode From gerry.orkin at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 03:10:22 2013 From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:10:22 +1100 Subject: How do Kickstarter pledge tiers work? In-Reply-To: <359EB157-85F5-4330-939C-FFF9C931157B@runrev.com> References: <4AA2014D-1EE0-40CA-98D7-74778818BC55@gmail.com> <359EB157-85F5-4330-939C-FFF9C931157B@runrev.com> Message-ID: <53763229-AA8B-466E-A192-59EF9F92D1FD@gmail.com> Yay! Gerry On 27/02/2013, at 6:58 PM, Heather Laine wrote: > Yes, pretty much. From gerry.orkin at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 03:10:57 2013 From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:10:57 +1100 Subject: Thank you In-Reply-To: <23D37D46-65DE-46F6-963C-1D670573B1C1@runrev.com> References: <23D37D46-65DE-46F6-963C-1D670573B1C1@runrev.com> Message-ID: Please, please don't call it that :) g On 27/02/2013, at 7:03 PM, Heather Laine wrote: > I cannot wait to see the reality of LiveCode Next Gen. From janschenkel at yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 03:32:20 2013 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:32:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Thank you In-Reply-To: References: <23D37D46-65DE-46F6-963C-1D670573B1C1@runrev.com> Message-ID: <1361953940.84068.YahooMailNeo@web141104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yah, for the love of all that's sacred, don't refer to it as LiveCode NT ;-) Jan Schenkel. ? ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerry Orkin To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Thank you Please, please don't call it that :) g On 27/02/2013, at 7:03 PM, Heather Laine wrote: > I cannot wait to see the reality of LiveCode Next Gen. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 03:38:49 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 03:38:49 -0500 Subject: tweet that made me laugh In-Reply-To: References: <7C733536-4AA5-42CD-BB58-94E6948B1954@verizon.net> Message-ID: Short and sweet. Will make Ilene happy because the various suggestions she gave me hadn't been productive. BTW, she's looking for Mac related writing work, if anyone has some of that? On Feb 27, 2013, at 12:43 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > Mission Accomplished From sc at sahores-conseil.com Wed Feb 27 04:13:34 2013 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:13:34 +0100 Subject: Thank you In-Reply-To: <23D37D46-65DE-46F6-963C-1D670573B1C1@runrev.com> References: <23D37D46-65DE-46F6-963C-1D670573B1C1@runrev.com> Message-ID: An amazing human, philosophical, and technical project is becoming the most trustable way to let the rest of us develop in thousands of lines what most other languages around lets do in hundred of thousands ones. LiveCode is truly the new form of literacy tool we all dreamed it could become. Thanks to you all whose maked this happen over the 40 last years, from the Xerox and Rexx guys to Hypercard Team and because both the personal investment, work and genius of Doctor Scott Raney and RunRev Team ones. Thanks to our amazing and so rich, helpful and friendly community witch share and relay all of this great numerical age step forward. Thanks to you, Kevin, the one witch decided to say : YES, WE WILL DO THE NEXT GENERATION OF LIVECODE AVAILABLE TO THE WORLD! Warm Regards to All, Le 27 f?vr. 2013 ? 09:03, Heather Laine a ?crit : > You guys, every single one who contributed in any way, either by pledging or outreach or both - you Rock. This community has always been what made LiveCode great. > > With you guys on board, the future is very bright indeed. > > Monte, you're hired > > Colin? a medal > > Peter? pure genius > > It's hard to name names because (see above) Every Single One of You are heroes. > > I cannot wait to see the reality of LiveCode Next Gen. > > Heather > > Heather Laine > Customer Services Manager > http://www.runrev.com/ > Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 04:57:07 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:57:07 +0200 Subject: Rewards Message-ID: <512DD873.5020004@gmail.com> The only reward I really want is the Open Source version of Livecode; ( Frankly, if I wander round Plovdiv with a Livecode hat/badge/shirt/shopping bag all I will get is odd looks ) 'Livecode OS' 'Livecode FREE' so, as the chart on the Kickstarter webpage says that the "As Is" version will be released in March the big and burning question is "Which part of March?" ALSO; Despite the new UI, Please can the possibility remain to use the current UI with the OS version? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually I am really very interested to see how much one can "mix and match" bits and bobs from Metacard Livecode Commercial and Livecode OS to produce one's own UI. Some of the use-list members may recall my horizontal expanded ToolBar for RR/LC 2.0.1, and on Linux and Windows a horizontal toolbar sitting at the top of one's screen and combined with the revMenuBar stack might not be a bad thing. I am wary of a UI that blocks out access to the desktop in WIMP GUIs. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As soon as I get my sweaty paws on the "As Is" version I can begin to work out what sort of Summer Course sort-of-thing I can organise for 8 - 14 year olds and get to work on some sort of skeleton course book; and if that is all going smoothly, I will post that as an Open Source document for folk to tear apart, use and abuse as a 'Thank You'. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do hope, that in the scramble to get the Open Source version 'out', the Indic Unicode problem with Windows Vista and upwards will not be overlooked. Richmond. From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Feb 27 05:08:21 2013 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:08:21 +0100 Subject: profane question about the property inspektor Message-ID: <006c01ce14d2$5fd97ea0$1f8c7be0$@de> Congratulations to all of us first :) great perspective! I don't know if I may ask such a profane question on these days, but I am always struggling with the lock property of the property inspector window. I have a main stack where the inspector pallet is unlocked, so that I just can open the inspector once and click on any object and it will open in the open pallet. In a substack of this main stack the inspector pallet is locked on every object. When trying to unlock the pallet, the pallet properties jump up to the stack and don't stay on the selected object. In consequence I have to open a new inspector for every object. Is there any general setting for locked / unlocked inspector pallet, or is it a bug in 5.5.3/4 on windows or what am I missing? Thanks for any hint Tiemo From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 05:13:32 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:13:32 +0200 Subject: Policing the Open Source Version? Message-ID: <512DDC4C.1020406@gmail.com> As far as I recall when somebody uses Open Source material they have to release accessible material that involves there code along with the rest of their work. This seems to mean that if someone makes a standalone with Livecode OS they will have to provide a link to the 'bare' stack (i.e. the stack from which they made their standalone) to anyone who begs/borrows/steals/gets given their standalone. However, what if "naughty Fred" makes a standalone, releases it, but does NOT provide access to the bare stack? 1. Who is going to check on this sort of thing? 2. Is a Livecode OS standalone going to be constructed in such a way that it can be "unpeeled" without having recourse to a bare stack? Richmond. From benr_mc at cogapp.com Wed Feb 27 05:17:03 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:17:03 +0000 Subject: No developer license reward? In-Reply-To: <7D430993-38CC-451A-97EF-0CB03902DB05@pbh.on-rev.com> References: <7D430993-38CC-451A-97EF-0CB03902DB05@pbh.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <512DDD1F.4060409@cogapp.com> On 27/02/2013 05:07, Paul Hibbert wrote: >> And is there a two-year in there somewhere; I didn't find it (the three >> >year is beyond current possibilities) >> > > You could try asking RR if you could have 2 x the ?310 pledge, or add a ?310 and a ?640 together, or just make an offer, they seem to be very accommodating with the pledge amounts. I'm working on the assumption, based on what RR have said to others on the mailing lists and in the KS comments, that on 2x ?310 RR will let you either take it as two 1yr commercial licenses, or as one year after another - I haven't explicitly asked Heather on the basis that they're probably overwhelmed, but knowing how very reasonable they are, I'd be surprised if that was a problem. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 05:31:50 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:31:50 +1100 Subject: Policing the Open Source Version? In-Reply-To: <512DDC4C.1020406@gmail.com> References: <512DDC4C.1020406@gmail.com> Message-ID: > 1. Who is going to check on this sort of thing? Not me... hoever, there's likely to be lots of lc users wanting RunRev to stay in business so they will often report breaches. > > 2. Is a Livecode OS standalone going to be constructed in such a way that it > can be "unpeeled" without having recourse to a bare stack? Actually it's already like that. Once upon a time I wrote a script to decouple the engine from the attached stackfile... But basically look at a standalone you didn't password protect in a text editor. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed Feb 27 05:37:26 2013 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:37:26 +0000 Subject: No developer license reward? In-Reply-To: <512DDD1F.4060409@cogapp.com> References: <7D430993-38CC-451A-97EF-0CB03902DB05@pbh.on-rev.com> <512DDD1F.4060409@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <1C9955D7-D748-49E8-86AA-0CC5CFDC00E9@azurevision.co.uk> On 27 Feb 2013, at 10:17, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > On 27/02/2013 05:07, Paul Hibbert wrote: >>> And is there a two-year in there somewhere; I didn't find it (the three >>> >year is beyond current possibilities) >>> > >> You could try asking RR if you could have 2 x the ?310 pledge, or add a ?310 and a ?640 together, or just make an offer, they seem to be very accommodating with the pledge amounts. > > I'm working on the assumption, based on what RR have said to others on the mailing lists and in the KS comments, that on 2x ?310 RR will let you either take it as two 1yr commercial licenses, or as one year after another - I haven't explicitly asked Heather on the basis that they're probably overwhelmed, but knowing how very reasonable they are, I'd be surprised if that was a problem. I made the exact same assumption and am waiting on a reply from Heather - but having only sent the email an hour ago I suspect they're all a bit overwhelmed... :-) Ian From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 06:11:00 2013 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:11:00 +0000 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <517015D5-1211-48BC-93D9-03C5E3EEF387@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <1361930306802-4661337.post@n4.nabble.com> <3036904D-B0F4-4E30-A78D-79FFA8AA490A@sweattechnologies.com> <517015D5-1211-48BC-93D9-03C5E3EEF387@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: I think one thing that is seriously lacking in LC is for it to be able to take advantage of multiple processors. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 27/02/2013, at 3:54 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > > > What goes with Cocoa? A Lifetime supply of Wensleydale and crackers ;-) > > I think if we get to Cocoa he should be required to also shave a something > into the side of his head Vanilla Ice style... > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From sundown at pacifier.com Wed Feb 27 06:13:46 2013 From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 03:13:46 -0800 Subject: Examining the code Message-ID: <269A69F1-2D7E-4498-A4EE-24E64F51CCF1@pacifier.com> Now that LiveCode will be open source and people will be encouraged to help add features to it are there any books with good code examples to help people better understand the open source code of liveCode? Is the only requirement a good understanding of C+ or are there other books on programming that would be more helpful to learn? -=>JB<=- From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 06:17:50 2013 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:17:50 +0000 Subject: Examining the code In-Reply-To: <269A69F1-2D7E-4498-A4EE-24E64F51CCF1@pacifier.com> References: <269A69F1-2D7E-4498-A4EE-24E64F51CCF1@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Somewhere in the comments section of the Kickstarter page, a man who used to work with the code when it was Metacard describes it as "a hairball" (or something like that). I'm not sure anyone should be expecting to grasp the code until it is modularised following the Kickstart financing. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:13 AM, JB wrote: > Now that LiveCode will be open source and people will be > encouraged to help add features to it are there any books > with good code examples to help people better understand > the open source code of liveCode? Is the only requirement > a good understanding of C+ or are there other books on > programming that would be more helpful to learn? > > -=>JB<=- > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From sundown at pacifier.com Wed Feb 27 06:20:00 2013 From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 03:20:00 -0800 Subject: Examining the code In-Reply-To: References: <269A69F1-2D7E-4498-A4EE-24E64F51CCF1@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <3300D7AC-F1D3-4999-A6BE-A93A311AAB17@pacifier.com> Okay, thanks for the info. -=>JB<=- On Feb 27, 2013, at 3:17 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Somewhere in the comments section of the Kickstarter page, a man who used > to work with the code when it was Metacard describes it as "a hairball" (or > something like that). I'm not sure anyone should be expecting to grasp the > code until it is modularised following the Kickstart financing. > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:13 AM, JB wrote: > >> Now that LiveCode will be open source and people will be >> encouraged to help add features to it are there any books >> with good code examples to help people better understand >> the open source code of liveCode? Is the only requirement >> a good understanding of C+ or are there other books on >> programming that would be more helpful to learn? >> >> -=>JB<=- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk Wed Feb 27 06:26:15 2013 From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:26:15 +0000 Subject: Examining the code In-Reply-To: References: <269A69F1-2D7E-4498-A4EE-24E64F51CCF1@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <16FEE681-D24C-454E-B2AB-CC4AE7E3E1B0@clarkeandclarke.co.uk> ?isn't a 'hairball' the new Mountain Lion archive format from Apple, where decompression uses the 'retch' function? ;-) Best, Keith.. On 27 Feb 2013, at 11:17, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Somewhere in the comments section of the Kickstarter page, a man who used > to work with the code when it was Metacard describes it as "a hairball" (or > something like that). From kevin at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 06:42:19 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:42:19 +0000 Subject: Examining the code In-Reply-To: <269A69F1-2D7E-4498-A4EE-24E64F51CCF1@pacifier.com> Message-ID: No books really - just being able to code proficiently in C/C++/Obj-C... The knowledge required to do stuff to the current engine is a lot though, however all should start to get easier as we get past each phase of refactoring. No doubt we'll run intensive workshops at the conference with Mark Waddingham and the other engine developers too. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 27/02/2013 11:13, "JB" wrote: >Now that LiveCode will be open source and people will be >encouraged to help add features to it are there any books >with good code examples to help people better understand >the open source code of liveCode? Is the only requirement >a good understanding of C+ or are there other books on >programming that would be more helpful to learn? > >-=>JB<=- > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From sundown at pacifier.com Wed Feb 27 06:47:11 2013 From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 03:47:11 -0800 Subject: Examining the code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E3D6C6E-4A32-41AF-994A-6A53BF7740F9@pacifier.com> Thanks! -=>JB<=- On Feb 27, 2013, at 3:42 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > No books really - just being able to code proficiently in C/C++/Obj-C... > > The knowledge required to do stuff to the current engine is a lot though, > however all should start to get easier as we get past each phase of > refactoring. > > No doubt we'll run intensive workshops at the conference with Mark > Waddingham and the other engine developers too. > > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > > > > > On 27/02/2013 11:13, "JB" wrote: > >> Now that LiveCode will be open source and people will be >> encouraged to help add features to it are there any books >> with good code examples to help people better understand >> the open source code of liveCode? Is the only requirement >> a good understanding of C+ or are there other books on >> programming that would be more helpful to learn? >> >> -=>JB<=- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 06:49:10 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:49:10 +1100 Subject: Examining the code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 27/02/2013, at 10:42 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > No doubt we'll run intensive workshops at the conference with Mark > Waddingham and the other engine developers too. Oooo.... that sounds interesting.... -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 07:24:45 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:24:45 +0200 Subject: Examining the code In-Reply-To: References: <269A69F1-2D7E-4498-A4EE-24E64F51CCF1@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <512DFB0D.8000003@gmail.com> On 02/27/2013 01:17 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Somewhere in the comments section of the Kickstarter page, a man who used > to work with the code when it was Metacard describes it as "a hairball" (or > something like that). I'm not sure anyone should be expecting to grasp the > code until it is modularised following the Kickstart financing. 'hairball'; is that one of those little things that cats sometimes cough up, or one of those tennis ball sized things with a hard covering that one has to remove with a simple operation from cows' stomachs sometimes? The difference is quite significant. When I was at primary school there was a girl in our town (about 10 years old) who had to be opened up because she had a hairball inside her from sucking her lanky locks. Richmond. > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:13 AM, JB wrote: > >> Now that LiveCode will be open source and people will be >> encouraged to help add features to it are there any books >> with good code examples to help people better understand >> the open source code of liveCode? Is the only requirement >> a good understanding of C+ or are there other books on >> programming that would be more helpful to learn? >> >> -=>JB<=- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 07:27:22 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:27:22 +0200 Subject: Examining the code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512DFBAA.7060501@gmail.com> On 02/27/2013 01:42 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > No books really - just being able to code proficiently in C/C++/Obj-C... > > The knowledge required to do stuff to the current engine is a lot though, > however all should start to get easier as we get past each phase of > refactoring. > > No doubt we'll run intensive workshops at the conference with Mark > Waddingham and the other engine developers too. > > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > > And as a large part of the IDE is written in Livecode (err, is that what the programming language is now called?) those of us who run a mile as soon as somebody says "C+" (personally I don't even wait to hear the second 'plus') can merrily muck around with those components. Richmond. From bvg at mac.com Wed Feb 27 07:29:03 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:29:03 +0100 Subject: Examining the code In-Reply-To: <512DFBAA.7060501@gmail.com> References: <512DFBAA.7060501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56A5B1AA-154A-4190-8287-3B3D7AEE16D3@mac.com> Sure, but that's not different from the current situation, and yet almost nobody tried. On 27.02.2013, at 13:27, Richmond wrote: > And as a large part of the IDE is written in Livecode (err, is that what the programming language is now called?) > those of us who run a mile as soon as somebody says "C+" (personally I don't even wait to hear the second 'plus') > can merrily muck around with those components. > > Richmond. -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com Wed Feb 27 07:34:09 2013 From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:34:09 +0100 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1kyydfx.29pboi8xkzuoM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> J. Landman Gay wrote: > Me too, I didn't really believe it would happen. Amazing! Too cool. an amazing "sprint final" ;-) I thought that "the bar was too high"... From camm29 at tesco.net Wed Feb 27 07:40:08 2013 From: camm29 at tesco.net (Camm) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Card auto sizing Message-ID: <1176519295.544978.1361968808565.JavaMail.root@md01.topaz.synacor.com> It it possible to auto size a card to the size of a field of that card ? If so , what is the best way please. Regards Camm From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Wed Feb 27 07:48:49 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:48:49 -0500 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <1kyydfx.29pboi8xkzuoM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> References: <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <1kyydfx.29pboi8xkzuoM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> Message-ID: After all, Kevin Miller is a master of risk assessment. A man who saw something that even the late great Steve couldn't see in HyperCard. A man who not only invested in a development environment, and grew a strong company with it; He invested in us, the life breath of the community. It is that community which is united in our uniqueness, and has taken the next step toward a bright future. -- cheese (I know) Sent from my Pipo M2 On Feb 27, 2013 7:34 AM, "Medard" wrote: > J. Landman Gay wrote: > > > Me too, I didn't really believe it would happen. Amazing! Too cool. > > an amazing "sprint final" ;-) > > I thought that "the bar was too high"... > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From bvg at mac.com Wed Feb 27 07:48:53 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:48:53 +0100 Subject: Card auto sizing In-Reply-To: <1176519295.544978.1361968808565.JavaMail.root@md01.topaz.synacor.com> References: <1176519295.544978.1361968808565.JavaMail.root@md01.topaz.synacor.com> Message-ID: you can't set the card's rectangle, and the stack uses a different coordination system. So you need to convert using globalLoc which is the inverse of localLoc. on mouseUp lock screen --gather and set coordinates for stack put the globalLoc of the topleft of field 1 into partOne put the globalLoc of the bottomright of field 1 into partTwo set the rectangle of this stack to partOne,partTwo --now the objects are not within the visible part of the stack, readjust all objects set the topleft of field 1 to 0,0 end mouseUp On 27.02.2013, at 13:40, Camm wrote: > It it possible to auto size a card to the size of a field of that card ? -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed Feb 27 08:12:15 2013 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:12:15 +0100 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: References: <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <1kyydfx.29pboi8xkzuoM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> Message-ID: Alleluia !! ;-) Le 27 f?vr. 2013 ? 13:48, Roger Eller a ?crit : > After all, Kevin Miller is a master of risk assessment. A man who saw > something that even the late great Steve couldn't see in HyperCard. A man > who not only invested in a development environment, and grew a strong > company with it; He invested in us, the life breath of the community. It is > that community which is united in our uniqueness, and has taken the next > step toward a bright future. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 08:49:07 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:49:07 +0200 Subject: Examining the code In-Reply-To: <56A5B1AA-154A-4190-8287-3B3D7AEE16D3@mac.com> References: <512DFBAA.7060501@gmail.com> <56A5B1AA-154A-4190-8287-3B3D7AEE16D3@mac.com> Message-ID: <512E0ED3.3000402@gmail.com> On 02/27/2013 02:29 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote: > Sure, but that's not different from the current situation, and yet almost nobody tried. Having developed the horizontal Toolbar for version 2 there was a complete interface redesign performed by the good folks at base (think RR/LC 2 versus 2.6) and, having put a lot of effort into that, I couldn't summon the energy to do it again. As far as I know my horizontal toolbar was used by about 2-3 people. With LC becoming Open Source any sort of effort of that type would be likely to have a much larger uptake, even if only because instead of, say, 1000 seats as an installed base in 2001 ( I don't know what the figure really was), in 2013-14 we might be looking at a million. Certainly, from a pedagogical view, I don't think the drop-down menu Object/New Control is as useful as a horizontal bar with iconic representations of all the Objects on offer. Richmond. > > On 27.02.2013, at 13:27, Richmond wrote: > >> And as a large part of the IDE is written in Livecode (err, is that what the programming language is now called?) >> those of us who run a mile as soon as somebody says "C+" (personally I don't even wait to hear the second 'plus') >> can merrily muck around with those components. >> >> Richmond. > From peterwawood at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 09:22:22 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:22:22 +0800 Subject: 1001 Thanks Message-ID: <93373A07-F93C-443A-9F9B-55D375806797@gmail.com> Many thanks to everybody who sent me details of their apps for posting on 1001 things to do with LiveCode. I still have quite a few to prepare and post so don't worry if your app haven't been featured yet, it will be. I was humbled by the quality of your responses. I do plan to keep 1001 things to do with LiveCode active so please don't be shy to send me any new entries you may have. Once again, thanks for helping to make a difference. Kind regards Peter http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com From hxgcs546 at ybb.ne.jp Wed Feb 27 09:48:17 2013 From: hxgcs546 at ybb.ne.jp (BKS) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:48:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Wonderful Message-ID: <1361976497807-4661400.post@n4.nabble.com> Sorry, I seem to have mis-posted this the first time. Just wanted to thank and congratulate everyone, and to mention John Gruber has contributed and written up the Kickstarter at daringfireball. I may be upping my pledge again. Brad Stanton -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Wonderful-tp4661400.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 10:32:20 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:32:20 +0200 Subject: Open Source Question Message-ID: <512E2704.80104@gmail.com> Is it alright to use closed source and/or commercial software to produce components used in Open Source software, for instance: 1. I produce something using the Livecode Open Source variant, but use Adobe Photoshop to produce all the graphics. 2. I include a substack in my Livecode OS-authored standalone that was made using the commercial variant. Richmond. From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 27 10:51:26 2013 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:51:26 -0800 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I see that at 417,000 Pounds we could get the Physics Engine in Run Rev. Let me encourage all of you with 17,000 pounds to spare to dig deep. (Full disclosrure: I am a retired Prof. of Physics.) The physics in Angry Birds is formitable. My nine ball pool is trivial by comparison. And the processing to execute the physics is also formidable. Processing sprites would bring joy to all of you gamers out there. It would also provide valuable resources for dynamic, graphic simulations in general--valuable for education. (We should be able to talk to these sprites with the Turtle Graphics language.) Jim Hurley From marty at ucls.uchicago.edu Wed Feb 27 10:53:46 2013 From: marty at ucls.uchicago.edu (Marty Billingsley) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 09:53:46 -0600 Subject: Congratulations, community! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It occurs to me (a little late) that we should have gotten Stephen Fry to tweet about the Kickstarter project. He's all about technology, and a huge Apple fan -- he bought the second Mac available in England back in '84. I'm sure he played around with Hypercard back in the old days. A retweet from him would be worth a lot. - marty -- Marty Billingsley Department of Computer Science The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools > > On 27/02/2013, at 9:36 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > >> And of the world, special congratulations to Colin and Monte who I think have been amazing. > > You can't name me in the same scentence as the guy that got The Woz to pledge... seriously... What about Richard getting Jono Bacon to tweet? I don't know anybody important that's not on this list. > > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Feb 27 10:58:29 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:58:29 -0800 Subject: Open Source Question In-Reply-To: <512E2704.80104@gmail.com> References: <512E2704.80104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512E2D25.40609@fourthworld.com> Richmond wrote: > Is it alright to use closed source and/or commercial software to produce > components used in Open Source software, for instance: > > 1. I produce something using the Livecode Open Source variant, but use > Adobe Photoshop to produce all the graphics. Graphics aren't bound to the executable code, so there's no conflict with the GPL. That said, GIMP is a wonderfully capable tool, and with it's new single-window UI is easy to work with and more than adequate for most needs. > 2. I include a substack in my Livecode OS-authored standalone that was > made using the commercial variant. The GPL-governed Community Edition enforces its GPL requirements by not being able to run stacks made with the Commercial Edition. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ____________________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 11:03:37 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:03:37 -0500 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F91DCF2-95BC-4348-ACE8-CCF1950E718C@verizon.net> Adding Box2D will be easier than you think. There are already C versions of the library, as well as many other languages. Coming up with syntax and metaphors that are easy for LiveCode users to understand will be the harder part. On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Jim Hurley wrote: > The physics in Angry Birds is formitable. My nine ball pool is trivial by comparison. From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 11:10:04 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:10:04 -0500 Subject: Congratulations, community! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That was suggested by someone, and I looked into it. But really, he doesn't post much about technology things. On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Marty Billingsley wrote: > It occurs to me (a little late) that we should have gotten Stephen Fry to tweet about the Kickstarter project. He's all about technology, and a huge Apple fan -- he bought the second Mac available in England back in '84. I'm sure he played around with Hypercard back in the old days. A retweet from him would be worth a lot. From kevin at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 11:19:00 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:19:00 +0000 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: <4F91DCF2-95BC-4348-ACE8-CCF1950E718C@verizon.net> Message-ID: Its the vector graphic rendering performance that is the harder part of that item. Being able to do the transforms on the GPU, drop shadows on the GPU, etc are crucial to making physics work. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 27/02/2013 16:03, "Colin Holgate" wrote: >Adding Box2D will be easier than you think. There are already C versions >of the library, as well as many other languages. Coming up with syntax >and metaphors that are easy for LiveCode users to understand will be the >harder part. > > >On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Jim Hurley >wrote: > >> The physics in Angry Birds is formitable. My nine ball pool is trivial >>by comparison. > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 11:22:25 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:22:25 -0500 Subject: tweet from Dan Shafer In-Reply-To: <21E9F3E3-ED85-4F02-AD5E-83F832DA0448@verizon.net> References: <21E9F3E3-ED85-4F02-AD5E-83F832DA0448@verizon.net> Message-ID: <767A14A7-57EF-4809-859D-FA4CF27A9E53@verizon.net> Dan tweeter a few hours ago to say he has bought my book! I did a reply, to let him know I have some of his books too. On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > My hat off to whoever got him to post this: > > https://twitter.com/dshafer > > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 11:23:15 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:23:15 +0200 Subject: Open Source Question In-Reply-To: <512E2D25.40609@fourthworld.com> References: <512E2704.80104@gmail.com> <512E2D25.40609@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <512E32F3.1020100@gmail.com> On 02/27/2013 05:58 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Richmond wrote: >> Is it alright to use closed source and/or commercial software to produce >> components used in Open Source software, for instance: >> >> 1. I produce something using the Livecode Open Source variant, but use >> Adobe Photoshop to produce all the graphics. > > Graphics aren't bound to the executable code, so there's no conflict > with the GPL. > > That said, GIMP is a wonderfully capable tool, and with it's new > single-window UI is easy to work with and more than adequate for most > needs. GIMP rocks; using it right now. I recently downloaded Adobe Photoshop CS2 for Windows (as Adobe very kindly gave it away) and ran it with WINE 1.5.24 in Linux, thinking there would be some advantage - yet to see it. The Photoshop example was a choice of commercial software that sprang to mind; and I really didn't mean just graphics; I meant audio files, graphics, fonts, and anything else associated with a Livecode standalone for that matter. A spreadsheet authored in a close source Office program? A database file? > >> 2. I include a substack in my Livecode OS-authored standalone that was >> made using the commercial variant. > > The GPL-governed Community Edition enforces its GPL requirements by > not being able to run stacks made with the Commercial Edition. > BUT . . . Presumably . . . one could copy-paste scripts out of a stack authored with the commercial edition into a homologue of that stack set up using the GPL version? This wouldn't be far different from converting a Hypercard stack. I wlll return to my former role of "court jester cum gadfly" (as if I ever left it) until answers to some of these questions have been hammered out. AND . . . what about Metacard? The IDE is now Open Source, but, at least at present, it requires the Livecode commercial engine to run: does that mean that stacks authored with it, as it stands at present, are closed source, semi-open or open (or, perhaps, Worcester Sauce) ? And; How on earth will a stack authored in, say, RR/LC 2 be marked so that Livecode GPL refuses to open it? Presumably in much the same sort of way the last 3 stack formats are differentiated - something that can be easily circumvented as J. Landman Gay demonstrated recently on my prodding. Presumably scripts written by some end-user working with the commercial version don't mysteriously become covered by the closed licence of the Livecode commercial engine once they are rolled into a stack . . . . . . I tend to work my scripts out (or at least the bare mechanics of some of those 'orrible CASE statements) on bits of scrap paper; and as such they are my property as much as they can be said to belong to anyone, I don't quite see how I lose control of the things once they are pasted into the script-editor of some object. Richmond. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 27 11:25:04 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:25:04 -0800 Subject: Examining the code In-Reply-To: <16FEE681-D24C-454E-B2AB-CC4AE7E3E1B0@clarkeandclarke.co.uk> References: <269A69F1-2D7E-4498-A4EE-24E64F51CCF1@pacifier.com> <16FEE681-D24C-454E-B2AB-CC4AE7E3E1B0@clarkeandclarke.co.uk> Message-ID: <198236768015.20130227082504@ahsoftware.net> Keith- Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 3:26:15 AM, you wrote: > isn't a 'hairball' the new Mountain Lion archive format from > Apple, where decompression uses the 'retch' function? ;-) -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From ben at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 11:44:03 2013 From: ben at runrev.com (Benjamin Beaumont) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:44:03 +0000 Subject: 1001 Thanks In-Reply-To: <93373A07-F93C-443A-9F9B-55D375806797@gmail.com> References: <93373A07-F93C-443A-9F9B-55D375806797@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Let me say a big thank you from the staff here at RunRev. Your blog is such a great resource for LiveCode developers. A great idea! Thanks again. Ben On 27 February 2013 14:22, Peter W A Wood wrote: > Many thanks to everybody who sent me details of their apps for posting on > 1001 things to do with LiveCode. I still have quite a few to prepare and > post so don't worry if your app haven't been featured yet, it will be. > > I was humbled by the quality of your responses. I do plan to keep 1001 > things to do with LiveCode active so please don't be shy to send me any new > entries you may have. > > Once again, thanks for helping to make a difference. > > Kind regards > > Peter > http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- _____________________________________________ Benjamin Beaumont . RunRev Ltd LiveCode Product Manager mail : 25a Thistle Street Lane South West, Edinburgh, EH2 1EW email : ben at runrev.com company : +44(0) 845 219 89 23 fax : +44(0) 845 458 8487 web : www.runrev.com LiveCode - Unleash Your Killer App From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 27 12:10:59 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:10:59 -0500 Subject: keeping stack in front Message-ID: Hello fellow heroes, I am trying to modeless a substack and yet get some control over keeping it in front until it is dismissed. Like a modal but I can't use modal. I put a mouseUp handler in the main stack to see if the substack is open and if so prevent the user from clicking in the main stack but this won't work if they can reach a control or if they select the decorations of the main stack. In the main stack: on mouseUp if the openStacks contains "SubStack" then modeless stack "SubStack" else pass mouseUp end if end mouseUp What is the better way to accomplish this? Thanks -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 12:22:02 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:22:02 -0500 Subject: keeping stack in front In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A39373B-45A1-4D0F-BFC4-0A56A4AE77F2@verizon.net> set the systemwindow of window "sub stack name" to true On Feb 27, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > What is the better way to accomplish this? From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 27 12:27:09 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Stretch goal offer Message-ID: I really want Cocoa. Now that we're in the last 16 hours, I'm upping my offer: I make two developer plugins for the IDE: PowerDebug and PowerTools, which are drop-in upgrade replacements for the built-in debugger and tools palette, respectively. If anyone buys these plugins from now until the funding period is over, I'll put 200% of the sales with no limit into reaching the stretch goals. That's all the sales profit + a matching amount from me. You get the plugins anyway, your money goes towards the project, and you get me to match your amount. Everyone wins. Cocoa is within our reach. PowerDebug http://powerdebug.ahsoftware.net PowerTools http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/PowerTools.irev -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 27 12:32:52 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Card auto sizing References: <1176519295.544978.1361968808565.JavaMail.root@md01.topaz.synacor.com> Message-ID: > > It it possible to auto size a card to the size of a field of that card ? ...or you could simply say on mouseUp set the width of this stack to the width of field 1 set the height of this stack to the height of field 1 set the loc of field 1 to the loc of this card end mouseUp -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 12:57:13 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:57:13 +0200 Subject: Card auto sizing In-Reply-To: References: <1176519295.544978.1361968808565.JavaMail.root@md01.topaz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <512E48F9.3020208@gmail.com> On 02/27/2013 07:32 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >>> It it possible to auto size a card to the size of a field of that card ? > ...or you could simply say > > on mouseUp > set the width of this stack to the width of field 1 > set the height of this stack to the height of field 1 > set the loc of field 1 to the loc of this card > end mouseUp > However, aesthetically, that would look unattractive, and a bit of padding might make things better: on mouseUp set the width of this stack to ((the width of fld 1) + 10) set the height of this stack to ((the height of fld 1) + 10) set the loc of fld 1 to the loc of this card end mouseUp small difference in terms of code; big difference in terms of what the thing looks like. Richmond. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 27 13:03:15 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Card auto sizing References: <1176519295.544978.1361968808565.JavaMail.root@md01.topaz.synacor.com> <512E48F9.3020208@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richmond writes: > However, aesthetically, that would look unattractive, and a bit of > padding might make things better: Agreed, but that wasn't the Original Question. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 13:06:54 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 20:06:54 +0200 Subject: Card auto sizing In-Reply-To: References: <1176519295.544978.1361968808565.JavaMail.root@md01.topaz.synacor.com> <512E48F9.3020208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512E4B3E.7060004@gmail.com> On 02/27/2013 08:03 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Richmond writes: > >> However, aesthetically, that would look unattractive, and a bit of >> padding might make things better: > Agreed, but that wasn't the Original Question. > Since when have you known me to answer the original question? And . . . not wanting to disappoint you . . . LOL Richmond. From lyn.teyla at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 13:08:19 2013 From: lyn.teyla at gmail.com (Lyn Teyla) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:08:19 +0100 Subject: Post-KickStarter LiveCode - security issue fix? Message-ID: <24C61DDA-6C67-47E4-B531-249659ECE52D@gmail.com> Hi all, It has been 3 years since my post to this list urging RunRev to fix the serious security issue where the scripts of password protected stacks and standalone apps can be fully viewed via memory dumps. This is because password protected scripts remain unencrypted in memory after compilation. That's right, no password is needed, the code is right there in memory. The issue was also lodged via the LiveCode Quality Control Center (LQCC) as report #8672: http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8672 In September 2010, Mark Waddingham finally responded to the LQCC report, saying that the issue would be eliminated in 5.0 with the move to Unicode. He then marked the LQCC report as private. Alas, even after the move to Unicode, the issue remains unresolved. In September 2011, I requested for a RunRev response via the LQCC report, and received none. In August 2012, I once again requested for a response, and finally received a reply from "Your Quality Team", who said they did not have an expected target release for this fix yet. They then set the report to "Hibernating" mode, which sure doesn't sound good. It is now 2013. Post-KickStarter, RunRev will be implementing a revamp to LiveCode, while offering dual-licensing. Given that the main difference between the commercial version and the open source version is script security, this has become an issue of even greater importance. And yet, there has been no word about when this security issue will be fixed. The LQCC report remains "hibernated". So the question is, when exactly will this issue finally and actually be fixed? Also, if it still isn't fixed once dual-licensing is up and running, then what would be the point of releasing closed-source applications when the code is going to be right there in memory unencrypted, for thieves to steal? Does no one else think this is an important issue that needs to be addressed immediately? - Lyn From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com Wed Feb 27 13:11:07 2013 From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:11:07 +0100 Subject: On-Rev : Phishing attempt Message-ID: <1kyyt4h.2rh9ic1h6c4b0M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> "Receipt for your PayPal payment to Thiago La Vega" unknown to me ;-> What to do in this instance? -- I already wrote to spoof at paypal -- But it seems that the On-Rev server is no more immune to those attacks... From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 27 13:12:09 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:12:09 -0500 Subject: keeping stack in front In-Reply-To: <4A39373B-45A1-4D0F-BFC4-0A56A4AE77F2@verizon.net> References: <4A39373B-45A1-4D0F-BFC4-0A56A4AE77F2@verizon.net> Message-ID: <40E8130F-7890-43B6-9694-41781CADF865@mac.com> Colin, Except that allows you to click the main window and then when you do the front substack loses focus (greyed out) but stays on top. This is for blind people that may have accidentally clicked on the back main window so they will have a hard time purposely clicking on the front substack to bring it back to focus. ?.. Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 27, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > set the systemwindow of window "sub stack name" to true > > > On Feb 27, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> What is the better way to accomplish this? > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 13:15:19 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 20:15:19 +0200 Subject: Post-KickStarter LiveCode - security issue fix? In-Reply-To: <24C61DDA-6C67-47E4-B531-249659ECE52D@gmail.com> References: <24C61DDA-6C67-47E4-B531-249659ECE52D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512E4D37.2030000@gmail.com> On 02/27/2013 08:08 PM, Lyn Teyla wrote: > Hi all, > > It has been 3 years since my post to this list urging RunRev to fix the serious security issue where the scripts of password protected stacks and standalone apps can be fully viewed via memory dumps. > > This is because password protected scripts remain unencrypted in memory after compilation. That's right, no password is needed, the code is right there in memory. > > The issue was also lodged via the LiveCode Quality Control Center (LQCC) as report #8672: > > http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8672 > > In September 2010, Mark Waddingham finally responded to the LQCC report, saying that the issue would be eliminated in 5.0 with the move to Unicode. > > He then marked the LQCC report as private. > > Alas, even after the move to Unicode, the issue remains unresolved. > > In September 2011, I requested for a RunRev response via the LQCC report, and received none. > > In August 2012, I once again requested for a response, and finally received a reply from "Your Quality Team", who said they did not have an expected target release for this fix yet. > > They then set the report to "Hibernating" mode, which sure doesn't sound good. > > It is now 2013. Post-KickStarter, RunRev will be implementing a revamp to LiveCode, while offering dual-licensing. > > Given that the main difference between the commercial version and the open source version is script security, this has become an issue of even greater importance. > > And yet, there has been no word about when this security issue will be fixed. > > The LQCC report remains "hibernated". > > So the question is, when exactly will this issue finally and actually be fixed? > > Also, if it still isn't fixed once dual-licensing is up and running, then what would be the point of releasing closed-source applications when the code is going to be right there in memory unencrypted, for thieves to steal? > > Does no one else think this is an important issue that needs to be addressed immediately? > > - Lyn > > > Yes, I do think this is an important issue which should have been addressed donkey's ages ago. There are several 'old chestnuts' sitting around in the big reports that have been overlooked overlong, and they DO need to be sorted out very, very quickly indeed, and, ideally, before the feeding-frenzy / group love-fest of the Open Source version sweeps our attention away from these problems. If I pay for the Commercial version, from now on, the main difference between it and the Open Source variant will be that I can keep my secrets to myself. If all that it takes is a memory dump, there is no real reason to buy the commercial version. --------------------- HOWEVER; you may find that this problem has been addressed, silently, RunRev do seem to have that tendency. Of course, now they are going all 'Open' they are going to have to be OPEN about things like that as well as their OS code. Richmond. From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 13:25:08 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:25:08 -0500 Subject: conference dilemma... Message-ID: One of the harder conferences to get into is Google IO. It seeks out in a matter of minutes, and this year people are expecting it to sell out within one minute. I have a chance to get a reserved ticket, meaning I would have it before they are available, without queueing. The conference is on at exactly the same time as the RunRev one. From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 13:27:10 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:27:10 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A3400k?= Message-ID: <3D41F820-FDA1-452E-87D2-84F64D41D397@verizon.net> Another century comes and goes. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 27 13:30:29 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:30:29 -0500 Subject: keeping stack in front In-Reply-To: <40E8130F-7890-43B6-9694-41781CADF865@mac.com> References: <4A39373B-45A1-4D0F-BFC4-0A56A4AE77F2@verizon.net> <40E8130F-7890-43B6-9694-41781CADF865@mac.com> Message-ID: I ended up using both the systemWindow and writing a little script on openStack to check if the substack is open and then if it isn't in front to bring it to the front every 1/2 second. Even though it is a timed loop I only need them to sign in so it isn't slowing it down too much. thanks -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 27, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Colin, > > Except that allows you to click the main window and then when you do the front substack loses focus (greyed out) but stays on top. This is for blind people that may have accidentally clicked on the back main window so they will have a hard time purposely clicking on the front substack to bring it back to focus. ?.. > > Tom > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > On Feb 27, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> set the systemwindow of window "sub stack name" to true >> >> >> On Feb 27, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >> >>> What is the better way to accomplish this? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 13:31:07 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 20:31:07 +0200 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A3400k?= In-Reply-To: <3D41F820-FDA1-452E-87D2-84F64D41D397@verizon.net> References: <3D41F820-FDA1-452E-87D2-84F64D41D397@verizon.net> Message-ID: <512E50EB.1080500@gmail.com> On 02/27/2013 08:27 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Another century comes and goes. I ran out of fingers and toes to count upon a while back; but I do know that things are looking good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bUmc4g24NE says it all, really! Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 13:31:59 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:31:59 -0500 Subject: other pledge ideas Message-ID: <23CB75E4-76D3-4E77-838D-A0969D377AD8@verizon.net> Kevin, did you see the pledge ideas I sent to you and Ben? There would still be time for people like me to take advantage of those, if they existed. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Feb 27 13:32:55 2013 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:32:55 -0800 Subject: On-Rev : Phishing attempt In-Reply-To: <1kyyt4h.2rh9ic1h6c4b0M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> References: <1kyyt4h.2rh9ic1h6c4b0M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> Message-ID: do you use a unique email for paypal? If not, then it could be just a guess by the criminal that you even have an account and just sent to that email.. -- does it include your full name? On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Medard wrote: > "Receipt for your PayPal payment to Thiago La Vega" > > unknown to me ;-> > > What to do in this instance? > > -- I already wrote to spoof at paypal > > -- But it seems that the On-Rev server is no more immune to those > attacks... > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 27 13:35:40 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Examining the code References: <269A69F1-2D7E-4498-A4EE-24E64F51CCF1@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Kevin Miller writes: > No doubt we'll run intensive workshops at the conference with Mark > Waddingham and the other engine developers too. That. Because (awesome) -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Wed Feb 27 13:38:18 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:38:18 -0800 Subject: On-Rev : Phishing attempt In-Reply-To: <1kyyt4h.2rh9ic1h6c4b0M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> References: <1kyyt4h.2rh9ic1h6c4b0M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <19127D29-0EE9-4AA5-997D-3CBC807E4B03@pbh.on-rev.com> Ignore it! However, you should keep a regular check on your PayPal account, go direct to PP by typing their address into a browser, never from a link. I get the same type of email occasionally, probably many others on this list do too. It's an attack aimed at getting you to respond, to log on to 'their' server with your details, once you do that they have access to your PayPal account. The attack usually happens because they got hold of your email address from somewhere, probably not something they did on your on-rev server, unless you publish it there. Some of these attacks are very clever and try to make you click their links because you panic thinking more about the money than your internet security. Paul On 2013-02-27, at 10:11 AM, Medard wrote: > "Receipt for your PayPal payment to Thiago La Vega" > > unknown to me ;-> > > What to do in this instance? > > -- I already wrote to spoof at paypal > > -- But it seems that the On-Rev server is no more immune to those > attacks... > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 13:50:11 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:50:11 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=A3400k?= In-Reply-To: <3D41F820-FDA1-452E-87D2-84F64D41D397@verizon.net> References: <3D41F820-FDA1-452E-87D2-84F64D41D397@verizon.net> Message-ID: <97AF9CF1-B7D6-4C22-A63A-9EDD793EE7A0@verizon.net> ?405k. Cocoa is a go. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Feb 27 13:58:10 2013 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:58:10 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IKM0MDBr?= In-Reply-To: <97AF9CF1-B7D6-4C22-A63A-9EDD793EE7A0@verizon.net> References: <3D41F820-FDA1-452E-87D2-84F64D41D397@verizon.net> <97AF9CF1-B7D6-4C22-A63A-9EDD793EE7A0@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > ?405k. > > Cocoa is a go. I will sleep well tonight. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.clarify-it.com - www.screensteps.com From kevin at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 14:17:44 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:17:44 +0000 Subject: other pledge ideas In-Reply-To: <23CB75E4-76D3-4E77-838D-A0969D377AD8@verizon.net> Message-ID: Colin thanks, I got your ideas last night. At this stage I think we're beyond adjusting the reward tiers. However if you or anyone else wants to do a combined deal on a conference and lifetime license, or any other custom pledge, drop us a line either to me directly or support and we'll work it out. There isn't much time left now though :) Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 27/02/2013 18:31, "Colin Holgate" wrote: >Kevin, did you see the pledge ideas I sent to you and Ben? There would >still be time for people like me to take advantage of those, if they >existed. >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 27 14:22:46 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:22:46 -0500 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=A3400k?= In-Reply-To: References: <3D41F820-FDA1-452E-87D2-84F64D41D397@verizon.net> <97AF9CF1-B7D6-4C22-A63A-9EDD793EE7A0@verizon.net> Message-ID: <38A2F3DF-04B1-4D34-AF47-0D26029E69CF@mac.com> Damn, I wish I had more money to drop. Already doubled what I could 'afford'? At least cocoa is on. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 27, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> ?405k. >> >> Cocoa is a go. > > > I will sleep well tonight. > > -- > Trevor DeVore > Blue Mango Learning Systems > www.clarify-it.com - www.screensteps.com > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 14:24:44 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:24:44 -0500 Subject: GameSalad thread Message-ID: <59D0F6FD-4C6F-4E16-BDDC-868B19CA1479@verizon.net> Man, LiveCode people are everywhere! http://forums.gamesalad.com/discussion/54406/livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 14:30:00 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:30:00 +1100 Subject: conference dilemma... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 28/02/2013, at 5:25 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > The conference is on at exactly the same time as the RunRev one. If you're going to one RunRev conference in your life this should be the one. How exciting is it going to be after the month we've just had! -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From gcanyon at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 14:31:01 2013 From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:31:01 -0600 Subject: Policing the Open Source Version? In-Reply-To: References: <512DDC4C.1020406@gmail.com> Message-ID: Unless this has changed from years back, an enencrypted stack, even when built into a standalone, can be pried out if someone is naughty. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > 1. Who is going to check on this sort of thing? > > Not me... hoever, there's likely to be lots of lc users wanting RunRev to > stay in business so they will often report breaches. > > > > 2. Is a Livecode OS standalone going to be constructed in such a way > that it > > can be "unpeeled" without having recourse to a bare stack? > > Actually it's already like that. Once upon a time I wrote a script to > decouple the engine from the attached stackfile... But basically look at a > standalone you didn't password protect in a text editor. > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From kevin at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 14:35:39 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:35:39 +0000 Subject: Post-KickStarter LiveCode - security issue fix? In-Reply-To: <24C61DDA-6C67-47E4-B531-249659ECE52D@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is a common problem with high level languages and has always been present not only in our platform, but in many others throughout history. We do have various ideas about how to further improve code security in the commercial edition and look forward to implementing those during the restructure. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 27/02/2013 18:08, "Lyn Teyla" wrote: >Hi all, > >It has been 3 years since my post to this list urging RunRev to fix the >serious security issue where the scripts of password protected stacks and >standalone apps can be fully viewed via memory dumps. > >This is because password protected scripts remain unencrypted in memory >after compilation. That's right, no password is needed, the code is right >there in memory. > >The issue was also lodged via the LiveCode Quality Control Center (LQCC) >as report #8672: > >http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8672 > >In September 2010, Mark Waddingham finally responded to the LQCC report, >saying that the issue would be eliminated in 5.0 with the move to Unicode. > >He then marked the LQCC report as private. > >Alas, even after the move to Unicode, the issue remains unresolved. > >In September 2011, I requested for a RunRev response via the LQCC report, >and received none. > >In August 2012, I once again requested for a response, and finally >received a reply from "Your Quality Team", who said they did not have an >expected target release for this fix yet. > >They then set the report to "Hibernating" mode, which sure doesn't sound >good. > >It is now 2013. Post-KickStarter, RunRev will be implementing a revamp to >LiveCode, while offering dual-licensing. > >Given that the main difference between the commercial version and the >open source version is script security, this has become an issue of even >greater importance. > >And yet, there has been no word about when this security issue will be >fixed. > >The LQCC report remains "hibernated". > >So the question is, when exactly will this issue finally and actually be >fixed? > >Also, if it still isn't fixed once dual-licensing is up and running, then >what would be the point of releasing closed-source applications when the >code is going to be right there in memory unencrypted, for thieves to >steal? > >Does no one else think this is an important issue that needs to be >addressed immediately? > >- Lyn > > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Wed Feb 27 14:36:06 2013 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 20:36:06 +0100 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=A3400k?= In-Reply-To: <38A2F3DF-04B1-4D34-AF47-0D26029E69CF@mac.com> References: <3D41F820-FDA1-452E-87D2-84F64D41D397@verizon.net> <97AF9CF1-B7D6-4C22-A63A-9EDD793EE7A0@verizon.net> <38A2F3DF-04B1-4D34-AF47-0D26029E69CF@mac.com> Message-ID: Same here. I already switched from 640 to lifetime license. Took me some time to convince my wife that this is really important. Regards, Matthias Am 27.02.2013 um 20:22 schrieb Thomas McGrath III : > Damn, I wish I had more money to drop. Already doubled what I could 'afford'? > > At least cocoa is on. > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > On Feb 27, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: >> >>> ?405k. >>> >>> Cocoa is a go. >> >> >> I will sleep well tonight. >> >> -- >> Trevor DeVore >> Blue Mango Learning Systems >> www.clarify-it.com - www.screensteps.com >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- "Life is too short for boring code" From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 14:36:55 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:36:55 +1100 Subject: Open Source Question In-Reply-To: <512E2D25.40609@fourthworld.com> References: <512E2704.80104@gmail.com> <512E2D25.40609@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On 28/02/2013, at 2:58 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > The GPL-governed Community Edition enforces its GPL requirements by not being able to run stacks made with the Commercial Edition. Richard this is not correct. It's only password protected stacks that won't be able to be run on the GPL version. A stackfile is a stackfile is a stackfile... -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 14:36:54 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:36:54 -0500 Subject: conference dilemma... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6F3ED2-EF9A-4A18-B810-8F0F68F8954A@verizon.net> It would be my third RunRev conference, and I haven't been to Google IO, where they usually give everyone valuable hardware (like, it was a tablet and a phone last time). Still think I'm heading to Edinburgh though! On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >If you're going to one RunRev conference in your life this should be the one. How exciting is it going to be after the month we've just had! From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Feb 27 14:39:18 2013 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 14:39:18 -0500 Subject: conference dilemma... In-Reply-To: <4B6F3ED2-EF9A-4A18-B810-8F0F68F8954A@verizon.net> References: <4B6F3ED2-EF9A-4A18-B810-8F0F68F8954A@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > It would be my third RunRev conference, and I haven't been to Google IO, > where they usually give everyone valuable hardware (like, it was a tablet > and a phone last time). > > Still think I'm heading to Edinburgh though! That's the dedication we like to see! :-) -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.clarify-it.com - www.screensteps.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 14:39:46 2013 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:39:46 +0200 Subject: Open Source Question In-Reply-To: References: <512E2704.80104@gmail.com> <512E2D25.40609@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <512E6102.1040106@gmail.com> On 02/27/2013 09:36 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > On 28/02/2013, at 2:58 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> The GPL-governed Community Edition enforces its GPL requirements by not being able to run stacks made with the Commercial Edition. > > > Richard this is not correct. It's only password protected stacks that won't be able to be run on the GPL version. A stackfile is a stackfile is a stackfile... I thought as much. Thanks for that. Richmond. > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E R Goulding - software development services > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From heather at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 14:40:51 2013 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:40:51 +0000 Subject: conference dilemma... In-Reply-To: <4B6F3ED2-EF9A-4A18-B810-8F0F68F8954A@verizon.net> References: <4B6F3ED2-EF9A-4A18-B810-8F0F68F8954A@verizon.net> Message-ID: Colin, I'm surprised you even hesitated for a moment. There's just no contest. Heather On 27 Feb 2013, at 19:36, Colin Holgate wrote: > It would be my third RunRev conference, and I haven't been to Google IO, where they usually give everyone valuable hardware (like, it was a tablet and a phone last time). > > Still think I'm heading to Edinburgh though! > > > On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >>> If you're going to one RunRev conference in your life this should be the one. How exciting is it going to be after the month we've just had! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.runrev.com/ Support Open Source LiveCode on Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk Wed Feb 27 14:44:19 2013 From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:44:19 +0000 Subject: conference dilemma... In-Reply-To: <4B6F3ED2-EF9A-4A18-B810-8F0F68F8954A@verizon.net> References: <4B6F3ED2-EF9A-4A18-B810-8F0F68F8954A@verizon.net> Message-ID: You've proven over the last fortnight that you're almost everywhere at the same time - so don't try to kid us that you can't manage a mere two locations! ;-) Best, Keith.. On 27 Feb 2013, at 19:36, Colin Holgate wrote: > It would be my third RunRev conference, and I haven't been to Google IO, where they usually give everyone valuable hardware (like, it was a tablet and a phone last time). > > Still think I'm heading to Edinburgh though! > > > On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >>> If you're going to one RunRev conference in your life this should be the one. How exciting is it going to be after the month we've just had! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 27 14:48:08 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:48:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: conference dilemma... References: <4B6F3ED2-EF9A-4A18-B810-8F0F68F8954A@verizon.net> Message-ID: Colin Holgate writes: > > It would be my third RunRev conference, and I haven't been to Google IO, where they usually give everyone > valuable hardware (like, it was a tablet and a phone last time). > > Still think I'm heading to Edinburgh though! Google should know better than to create scheduling conflicts like this. Don't they check their event calendar first? I'm sure they'll be happy to reschedule once they realize what they've done. No worries. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 14:51:23 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:51:23 +1100 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6A433D33-A93C-43D2-A328-73B1D545F09D@sweattechnologies.com> Kevin is there any chance that this could include transforms on any object? Text rotation would be nice for example. I was just looking at the Box2D docs yesterday after discussing this with a few people. This will really make LiveCode a gaming platform and while I don't do games my kids get really excited about this stuff and I've implemented some with them. Very cool! On 28/02/2013, at 3:19 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > Its the vector graphic rendering performance that is the harder part of > that item. Being able to do the transforms on the GPU, drop shadows on the > GPU, etc are crucial to making physics work. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From benr_mc at cogapp.com Wed Feb 27 14:51:52 2013 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:51:52 +0000 Subject: conference dilemma... In-Reply-To: <4B6F3ED2-EF9A-4A18-B810-8F0F68F8954A@verizon.net> References: <4B6F3ED2-EF9A-4A18-B810-8F0F68F8954A@verizon.net> Message-ID: <512E63D8.6000702@cogapp.com> Simple: register for Google IO, go to Edinburgh, send a ringer to pick up your Glass-es. If the avatar you use on social media (your Mii?) is what you have on your identity documents it should be easy to disguise someone else to match it! On 27/02/2013 19:36, Colin Holgate wrote: > It would be my third RunRev conference, and I haven't been to Google IO, where they usually give everyone valuable hardware (like, it was a tablet and a phone last time). > > Still think I'm heading to Edinburgh though! > > > On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >>> If you're going to one RunRev conference in your life this should be the one. How exciting is it going to be after the month we've just had! From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Feb 27 14:52:29 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:52:29 -0800 Subject: Open Source Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512E63FD.3040003@fourthworld.com> Monte Goulding wrote: > On 28/02/2013, at 2:58 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> >> The GPL-governed Community Edition enforces its GPL requirements >> by not being able to run stacks made with the Commercial Edition. > > Richard this is not correct. It's only password protected stacks > that won't be able to be run on the GPL version. A stackfile is > a stackfile is a stackfile... In those cases the engine may not be able to enforce the GPL requirements, but they remain just the same: You cannot redistribute software that includes closed source libraries with the open source version of LiveCode. Anything that is part of your application must be made available under the same GPL license. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From zellner at tamu.edu Wed Feb 27 14:52:44 2013 From: zellner at tamu.edu (Ronald Zellner) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:52:44 -0600 Subject: Coding Promo Message-ID: <94BA0B94-29EA-44E3-A181-2ED19B11FFAC@tamu.edu> They aren't necessarily talking about LiveCode, but it should be included. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10100689712053311&set=vb.309754825787494&type=2&theater From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 14:59:51 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:59:51 +1100 Subject: Open Source Question In-Reply-To: <512E63FD.3040003@fourthworld.com> References: <512E63FD.3040003@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <2BF41CC4-A9B8-4A63-ACCC-8FD2D255DFF9@sweattechnologies.com> On 28/02/2013, at 6:52 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> The GPL-governed Community Edition enforces its GPL requirements > >> by not being able to run stacks made with the Commercial Edition. > > > > Richard this is not correct. It's only password protected stacks > > that won't be able to be run on the GPL version. A stackfile is > > a stackfile is a stackfile... > > In those cases the engine may not be able to enforce the GPL requirements, but they remain just the same: > > You cannot redistribute software that includes closed source > libraries with the open source version of LiveCode. Anything > that is part of your application must be made available under > the same GPL license. > > A stackfile does not include closed source libraries unless we put them there. Once we do we can't expect it to be opened in the GPL version if they are password protected. This is one reason many addon developers will move to dual licensing. Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Feb 27 15:03:07 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:03:07 -0800 Subject: Open Source Question In-Reply-To: <2BF41CC4-A9B8-4A63-ACCC-8FD2D255DFF9@sweattechnologies.com> References: <2BF41CC4-A9B8-4A63-ACCC-8FD2D255DFF9@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <512E667B.80506@fourthworld.com> Monte Goulding wrote: > On 28/02/2013, at 6:52 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> >> The GPL-governed Community Edition enforces its GPL requirements >> >> by not being able to run stacks made with the Commercial Edition. >> > >> > Richard this is not correct. It's only password protected stacks >> > that won't be able to be run on the GPL version. A stackfile is >> > a stackfile is a stackfile... >> >> In those cases the engine may not be able to enforce the GPL requirements, but they remain just the same: >> >> You cannot redistribute software that includes closed source >> libraries with the open source version of LiveCode. Anything >> that is part of your application must be made available under >> the same GPL license. >> >> > > A stackfile does not include closed source libraries unless we put them there. Once we do we can't expect it to be opened in the GPL version if they are password protected. This is one reason many addon developers will move to dual licensing. Hopefully, yes. There may be some works governed by incompatible licenses which are not password-protected, so we'll want to review the licenses for any libraries we use to ensure they're GPL-compatible. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 15:08:11 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:08:11 +1100 Subject: Open Source Question In-Reply-To: <512E667B.80506@fourthworld.com> References: <2BF41CC4-A9B8-4A63-ACCC-8FD2D255DFF9@sweattechnologies.com> <512E667B.80506@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <5DD01AAF-A6AA-424D-A740-DD757050D391@sweattechnologies.com> On 28/02/2013, at 7:03 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Hopefully, yes. > > There may be some works governed by incompatible licenses which are not password-protected, so we'll want to review the licenses for any libraries we use to ensure they're GPL-compatible. Nothing changes in that regard. Only distribute what you have a license to distribute. Closed or open... Put some kind of license on what you do. I really wish this list and our forums had a license that we agreed to. Something simple and non-viral so there was no fear of copy and paste from here. Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From jim at d-film.com Wed Feb 27 15:27:18 2013 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:27:18 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IKM0MDBr?= In-Reply-To: <512E50EB.1080500@gmail.com> References: <3D41F820-FDA1-452E-87D2-84F64D41D397@verizon.net> <512E50EB.1080500@gmail.com> Message-ID: All you need is cash! On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Richmond wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bUmc4g24NE > > says it all, really! From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 27 15:39:39 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:39:39 -0500 Subject: conference dilemma... In-Reply-To: <4B6F3ED2-EF9A-4A18-B810-8F0F68F8954A@verizon.net> References: <4B6F3ED2-EF9A-4A18-B810-8F0F68F8954A@verizon.net> Message-ID: Send you wife, girlfriend, best friend or "me" to Google IO and split the goodies?.. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > It would be my third RunRev conference, and I haven't been to Google IO, where they usually give everyone valuable hardware (like, it was a tablet and a phone last time). > > Still think I'm heading to Edinburgh though! > > > On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >>> If you're going to one RunRev conference in your life this should be the one. How exciting is it going to be after the month we've just had! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 27 15:44:25 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:44:25 -0500 Subject: ASCII code for Home, End, Page Up, Page Down Message-ID: <147966D0-100A-47C5-B4F6-366B51A2417B@mac.com> Does anyone know the correct ASCII codes for Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down ??? I haven't had a keyboard with them on it for years and I need to trap them in a keydown handler. Thanks -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com From devin_asay at byu.edu Wed Feb 27 15:53:24 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 20:53:24 +0000 Subject: ASCII code for Home, End, Page Up, Page Down In-Reply-To: <147966D0-100A-47C5-B4F6-366B51A2417B@mac.com> References: <147966D0-100A-47C5-B4F6-366B51A2417B@mac.com> Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01039817@Peas2.byu.local> Tom, If I remember correctly you're going to have to use rawKeyUp or Down handlers. Here are the rawKey codes: Home 65360 End 65367 Page Up 65365 Page Down 65366 HTH Devin On Feb 27, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Does anyone know the correct ASCII codes for Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down ??? > > I haven't had a keyboard with them on it for years and I need to trap them in a keydown handler. > > Thanks > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From bonnmike at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 15:53:41 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:53:41 -0700 Subject: ASCII code for Home, End, Page Up, Page Down In-Reply-To: <147966D0-100A-47C5-B4F6-366B51A2417B@mac.com> References: <147966D0-100A-47C5-B4F6-366B51A2417B@mac.com> Message-ID: If you mean the scan codes then home : 65360 End : 65367 PUp : 65365 pDn : 65366 On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Does anyone know the correct ASCII codes for Home, End, Page Up, and Page > Down ??? > > I haven't had a keyboard with them on it for years and I need to trap them > in a keydown handler. > > Thanks > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From kevin at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 15:58:55 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 20:58:55 +0000 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: <6A433D33-A93C-43D2-A328-73B1D545F09D@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: The sprite layer mode would apply to any object but... It isn't for transformation of text and such as a rasterised version of the object will be cached on the gpu and it will do the heavy lifting. Rotated text will come as a side effect of the shape object, see relevant stretch goal :) Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 27/02/2013 19:51, "Monte Goulding" wrote: >Kevin is there any chance that this could include transforms on any >object? Text rotation would be nice for example. > >I was just looking at the Box2D docs yesterday after discussing this with >a few people. This will really make LiveCode a gaming platform and while >I don't do games my kids get really excited about this stuff and I've >implemented some with them. Very cool! > >On 28/02/2013, at 3:19 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > >> Its the vector graphic rendering performance that is the harder part of >> that item. Being able to do the transforms on the GPU, drop shadows on >>the >> GPU, etc are crucial to making physics work. > >-- >Monte Goulding > >M E R Goulding - software development services >mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Wed Feb 27 16:01:28 2013 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:01:28 -0500 Subject: 100% In-Reply-To: <213520DB-544B-453A-B4BB-8CB1B94BBC64@sweattechnologies.com> References: <8B726B3C-BF3B-4C7C-A924-7CA9F8BC0D75@verizon.net> <1361914639174-4661287.post@n4.nabble.com> <512D3D82.5060506@hyperactivesw.com> <013001ce1475$be023d30$3a06b790$@net> <213520DB-544B-453A-B4BB-8CB1B94BBC64@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <00c201ce152d$9d06c020$d7144060$@net> Last minute... but I'm in for 640lbs! We are one big happy fleet! Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Monte Goulding Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:12 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: 100% Sure can. There's stretch goals now! On 27/02/2013, at 10:05 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > If we are at 100% can I still get in? I am still a little fuzzy on how > this all works. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 27 16:08:45 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: conference dilemma... References: <4B6F3ED2-EF9A-4A18-B810-8F0F68F8954A@verizon.net> Message-ID: Colin Holgate writes: > > It would be my third RunRev conference, and I haven't been to Google IO, where they usually give everyone > valuable hardware (like, it was a tablet and a phone last time). The way I hear it, conference attendees will be given the option to *buy* the glasses. The early developer price was $1500. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 16:12:35 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:12:35 +1100 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 28/02/2013, at 7:58 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > Rotated text will come as a side effect of the shape object, see relevant > stretch goal :) That's not clear in the goal description. The combination of the vector object + the image export from server will enable us to build some awesome charting stuff for web apps! Running off to tell the KS forum... -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From kevin at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 16:16:47 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:16:47 +0000 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I know. Some of these stretch goals are even better than they sound. Its been a long campaign and in an ideal world we would have done blog posts, but there just wasn't time in the end. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 27/02/2013 21:12, "Monte Goulding" wrote: > >On 28/02/2013, at 7:58 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > >> Rotated text will come as a side effect of the shape object, see >>relevant >> stretch goal :) > >That's not clear in the goal description. The combination of the vector >object + the image export from server will enable us to build some >awesome charting stuff for web apps! Running off to tell the KS forum... > >-- >Monte Goulding > >M E R Goulding - software development services >mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 16:17:55 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:17:55 +1100 Subject: sleeping pills Message-ID: <3321EB01-7D47-473D-A004-816DD0B23C81@sweattechnologies.com> Are any of you guys sleeping tonight.... It's hard enough for me to sleep. I can't imagine all the stuff buzzing in your heads... If you do take sleeping pills don't forget to set the alarm for the party!!!! https://plus.google.com/events/c9ps7jck84e2gfpt7s1orn2e1os?authkey=CLL7h5z5qPKLSA Cheers Monte -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 16:20:41 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:20:41 +1100 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <480646DB-B0CD-4318-A3B9-5E6CB78EAC94@sweattechnologies.com> It's a shame, however, perhaps in the interests of the new open world we re entering into the blogs could be written over the next few of weeks in combination with updates on progress... On 28/02/2013, at 8:16 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > I know. Some of these stretch goals are even better than they sound. Its > been a long campaign and in an ideal world we would have done blog posts, > but there just wasn't time in the end. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > > > > > On 27/02/2013 21:12, "Monte Goulding" wrote: > >> >> On 28/02/2013, at 7:58 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: >> >>> Rotated text will come as a side effect of the shape object, see >>> relevant >>> stretch goal :) >> >> That's not clear in the goal description. The combination of the vector >> object + the image export from server will enable us to build some >> awesome charting stuff for web apps! Running off to tell the KS forum... >> >> -- >> Monte Goulding >> >> M E R Goulding - software development services >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From kevin at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 16:23:17 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:23:17 +0000 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: <480646DB-B0CD-4318-A3B9-5E6CB78EAC94@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Yes. Couldn't agree more. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 27/02/2013 21:20, "Monte Goulding" wrote: >It's a shame, however, perhaps in the interests of the new open world we >re entering into the blogs could be written over the next few of weeks in >combination with updates on progress... > >On 28/02/2013, at 8:16 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > >> I know. Some of these stretch goals are even better than they sound. Its >> been a long campaign and in an ideal world we would have done blog >>posts, >> but there just wasn't time in the end. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Kevin >> >> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >> LiveCode: Everyone can code >> >> >> >> >> On 27/02/2013 21:12, "Monte Goulding" >>wrote: >> >>> >>> On 28/02/2013, at 7:58 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: >>> >>>> Rotated text will come as a side effect of the shape object, see >>>> relevant >>>> stretch goal :) >>> >>> That's not clear in the goal description. The combination of the vector >>> object + the image export from server will enable us to build some >>> awesome charting stuff for web apps! Running off to tell the KS >>>forum... >>> >>> -- >>> Monte Goulding >>> >>> M E R Goulding - software development services >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >-- >Monte Goulding > >M E R Goulding - software development services >mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 16:27:45 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:27:45 +1100 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F8BA627-4942-4535-BF9C-D7D33E067D4E@sweattechnologies.com> Actually, I think where we are now just about to get past Box2D I think it would be good to get more detail on the vector object in some forum. Even if it's just an email here. People can clearly see Win8 as a benefit but the vector one is a bit to abstract to excite anyone but Scott Rossi. What are the core things you want us to know about this object, are there any other products that do similar things that you could point us to so we could see what we might get? On 28/02/2013, at 8:23 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > Yes. Couldn't agree more. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From david at rotundasoftware.com Wed Feb 27 16:32:13 2013 From: david at rotundasoftware.com (David Beck) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:32:13 -0800 Subject: Daring fireball Message-ID: Nice!! http://daringfireball.net/linked/2013/02/27/livecode Love this guy, sent him email early on about the campaign. Awesome to see the momentum build!! From dunbarx at aol.com Wed Feb 27 16:39:35 2013 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:39:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: ASCII code for Home, End, Page Up, Page Down In-Reply-To: <147966D0-100A-47C5-B4F6-366B51A2417B@mac.com> References: <147966D0-100A-47C5-B4F6-366B51A2417B@mac.com> Message-ID: <8CFE34A11395DDE-1590-84E11@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> I don't think you want ASCII, you probably, however, could use the codes for the "rawKeyDown" handler" home = 65310 end = 65367 pg up = 65365 pg down = 65366 No biggie: on rawkeydown var put var pass rawkeyDown end rawkeydown Just type and read. Craig Newman -----Original Message----- From: Thomas McGrath III To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 3:45 pm Subject: ASCII code for Home, End, Page Up, Page Down Does anyone know the correct ASCII codes for Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down ??? I haven't had a keyboard with them on it for years and I need to trap them in a keydown handler. Thanks -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 16:44:55 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:44:55 -0500 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <592BB70A-2C39-489F-9A56-56B43D2F4666@verizon.net> Speaking of physics, there's >?417k now? From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 16:48:53 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:48:53 -0500 Subject: update to my book... Message-ID: <2BC052AB-869E-4ADC-AF9E-A4E7CC76ECB0@verizon.net> I have been talking to Packt about doing a second edition, or at least expansion of the book. I will try to time things so that there are physical books in time for September, which is when people whose reward includes the printed book are due to receive that award. I guess the ones getting the ebook in May would get the current version. I would try to add appendices to cover what's involved in downloading the source code, adding a new feature, and submitting it back to RunRev. Assuming that's all in place by the time I'm done writing other things. The start of the book would be expanded, to act better as an introduction to LiveCode (the current one only has one chapter intended for people new to LiveCode). Those new chapters would be describing LiveCode 6, so would be of some use to people who already know older versions. It would be nice if the natural language changes are under way, to explain how those works. Then I need to go through the existing chapters and change screenshots and directions, to match how LC6 works. I will probably be removing all mention of MobGUI too, and replacing the affected parts with whatever the LC6 way of doing things will be. All being well I can remove phrases like "this only works on iOS". I need to submit an outline in the next few days, which will just be an educated guess as to how the book will be. I could fine tune that after the conference, if there is a better estimate of when new features will be arriving. From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Wed Feb 27 16:58:01 2013 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:58:01 +0100 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: <592BB70A-2C39-489F-9A56-56B43D2F4666@verizon.net> References: <592BB70A-2C39-489F-9A56-56B43D2F4666@verizon.net> Message-ID: Now Windows/Phone 8 with theme, please. Am 27.02.2013 um 22:44 schrieb Colin Holgate : > Speaking of physics, there's >?417k now? > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- "Life is too short for boring code" From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 17:18:21 2013 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:18:21 +0800 Subject: Open Source Question In-Reply-To: <5DD01AAF-A6AA-424D-A740-DD757050D391@sweattechnologies.com> References: <2BF41CC4-A9B8-4A63-ACCC-8FD2D255DFF9@sweattechnologies.com> <512E667B.80506@fourthworld.com> <5DD01AAF-A6AA-424D-A740-DD757050D391@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > I really wish this list and our forums had a license that we agreed to. > Something simple and non-viral so there was no fear of copy and paste from > here. > > Sorry, are you suggesting that this List should have a license so that everything I currently copy and past from it should be accredited in my work back to the original author, i.e. the author should not fear that their work would be copied but not be credited. Or are you saying the license should make it blantantly clear to anyone who posts here (which I thought it was, as there is no license) that anything and everything that is posted here could and would end up in a thousand different people's work without any acknowledgement of the source, i.e. visitors to the list should fear copying anything or everything from this List. I hope you mean the latter; whilst at the same time, for my own work (nothing commercial) in the About box I include a generalised 'thank you' to List members for their help and a link in the hope someone reading it will join the party. From jim at d-film.com Wed Feb 27 17:21:36 2013 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:21:36 -0500 Subject: update to my book... In-Reply-To: <2BC052AB-869E-4ADC-AF9E-A4E7CC76ECB0@verizon.net> References: <2BC052AB-869E-4ADC-AF9E-A4E7CC76ECB0@verizon.net> Message-ID: Sounds like it could become a Herculean task. Would you consider just writing an entirely new book on LiveCode? When there are enough big changes it is usually easier to start with a clean slate rather than trying to shoehorn current material into the new form. I would love to see something like the old "RealBASIC for Dummies" where you learn the tool by creating several different apps. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Feb 27 17:27:27 2013 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:27:27 -0600 Subject: Policing the Open Source Version? In-Reply-To: References: <512DDC4C.1020406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512E884F.1080301@hyperactivesw.com> On 2/27/13 1:31 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > Unless this has changed from years back, an enencrypted stack, even when > built into a standalone, can be pried out if someone is naughty. It changed. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 27 17:31:34 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Physics Engine support References: <7F8BA627-4942-4535-BF9C-D7D33E067D4E@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Monte Goulding writes: > > Actually, I think where we are now just about to get past Box2D I think it would be good to get more detail on the > vector object in some forum. Even if it's just an email here. People can clearly see Win8 as a benefit but the > vector one is a bit to abstract to excite anyone but Scott Rossi. What are the core things you want us to know > about this object, are there any other products that do similar things that you could point us to so we could > see what we might get? Ha! You used "Win8" and "benefit" in the same sentence... Anyway, I'm far from being a Scott Rossi, but I find the vector object goal *very* exciting. The ability to use svg graphics, fast, scalable, importable, exportable, low overhead, the extended ability to do things with graphics we can't presently do... the mind reels. One can only imagine what Scott must be thinking... -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 17:37:18 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:37:18 +1100 Subject: Open Source Question In-Reply-To: References: <2BF41CC4-A9B8-4A63-ACCC-8FD2D255DFF9@sweattechnologies.com> <512E667B.80506@fourthworld.com> <5DD01AAF-A6AA-424D-A740-DD757050D391@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <56D18567-21D1-4941-9D1B-5BAEE5A0615B@sweattechnologies.com> Something like that. Some very lax license that requires no accreditation would be most suitable. While nobody here would post something to this list then ask for licensing fees or probably even accreditation it would be easy to make that very clear in a footer or something. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 28/02/2013, at 9:18 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > Or are you saying the > license should make it blantantly clear to anyone who posts here (which I > thought it was, as there is no license) that anything and everything that > is posted here could and would end up in a thousand different people's work > without any acknowledgement of the source, i.e. visitors to the list should > fear copying anything or everything from this List. From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 17:39:15 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:39:15 -0500 Subject: update to my book... In-Reply-To: References: <2BC052AB-869E-4ADC-AF9E-A4E7CC76ECB0@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4AF7274A-CF2C-47D5-8C23-25761AFCC908@verizon.net> A lot of the information in the book took quite a while to track down, and most of that wouldn't be changing. I would just tweak the example code and screenshots to make sure it was current. I did suggest a new book idea, but there is already another LiveCode book they plan to produce, as well as having got the go ahead to do an update on my existing book. So, it just made sense to expand the current book. On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Jim Kanter wrote: > Sounds like it could become a Herculean task. Would you consider just > writing an entirely new book on LiveCode? When there are enough big > changes it is usually easier to start with a clean slate rather than > trying to shoehorn current material into the new form. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 27 17:43:21 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:43:21 -0500 Subject: ASCII code for Home, End, Page Up, Page Down In-Reply-To: <8CFE34A11395DDE-1590-84E11@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <147966D0-100A-47C5-B4F6-366B51A2417B@mac.com> <8CFE34A11395DDE-1590-84E11@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5B7E0678-30B3-4F36-B305-36F03A5F0314@mac.com> The problem is that I don't have an extended keyboard to test with so I can't get the numbers for these keys. Thanks though. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:39 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote: > I don't think you want ASCII, you probably, however, could use the codes for the "rawKeyDown" handler" > > > home = 65310 > > end = 65367 > > pg up = 65365 > pg down = 65366 > > > No biggie: > > > > on rawkeydown var > put var > pass rawkeyDown > end rawkeydown > > > Just type and read. > > > Craig Newman > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas McGrath III > To: How to use LiveCode > Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 3:45 pm > Subject: ASCII code for Home, End, Page Up, Page Down > > > Does anyone know the correct ASCII codes for Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down > ??? > > I haven't had a keyboard with them on it for years and I need to trap them in a > keydown handler. > > Thanks > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 27 17:44:17 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:44:17 -0500 Subject: ASCII code for Home, End, Page Up, Page Down In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01039817@Peas2.byu.local> References: <147966D0-100A-47C5-B4F6-366B51A2417B@mac.com> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A01039817@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <81FCAD9C-8208-48B9-9E5F-B5D8047FEFCD@mac.com> Devin, You are correct. I don't own an extended keyboard so I can't even test these yet. Thanks -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 27, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Devin Asay wrote: > Tom, > > If I remember correctly you're going to have to use rawKeyUp or Down handlers. Here are the rawKey codes: > > Home 65360 > End 65367 > Page Up 65365 > Page Down 65366 > > HTH > > Devin > > On Feb 27, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> Does anyone know the correct ASCII codes for Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down ??? >> >> I haven't had a keyboard with them on it for years and I need to trap them in a keydown handler. >> >> Thanks >> >> -- Tom McGrath III >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> mcgrath3 at mac.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > Devin Asay > Office of Digital Humanities > Brigham Young University > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 27 17:44:37 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:44:37 -0500 Subject: ASCII code for Home, End, Page Up, Page Down In-Reply-To: References: <147966D0-100A-47C5-B4F6-366B51A2417B@mac.com> Message-ID: <531F8EE6-1F54-47CF-8125-0B266FA5569C@mac.com> Thanks mike, Got it. Thanks -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 27, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > If you mean the scan codes then > home : 65360 > End : 65367 > PUp : 65365 > pDn : 65366 > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> Does anyone know the correct ASCII codes for Home, End, Page Up, and Page >> Down ??? >> >> I haven't had a keyboard with them on it for years and I need to trap them >> in a keydown handler. >> >> Thanks >> >> -- Tom McGrath III >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> mcgrath3 at mac.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 17:50:25 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:50:25 +1100 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: References: <7F8BA627-4942-4535-BF9C-D7D33E067D4E@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: On 28/02/2013, at 9:31 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Ha! You used "Win8" and "benefit" in the same sentence... What was I thinking! > > Anyway, I'm far from being a Scott Rossi, but I find the vector object goal > *very* exciting. The ability to use svg graphics, fast, scalable, importable, > exportable, low overhead, the extended ability to do things with graphics we > can't presently do... the mind reels. One can only imagine what Scott must be > thinking.. The wonders you would see if you could peer into that mind ;-) From gerry.orkin at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 17:53:57 2013 From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:53:57 +1100 Subject: conference dilemma... In-Reply-To: References: <4B6F3ED2-EF9A-4A18-B810-8F0F68F8954A@verizon.net> Message-ID: To paraphrase David Sedaris: I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. ?Can I interest you in the chicken?? she asks. ?Or would you prefer the platter of s?t with bits of broken glass in it?' To be undecided about which conference to attend is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked. Gerry On Thursday, February 28, 2013, Heather Laine wrote: > Colin, I'm surprised you even hesitated for a moment. There's just no > contest. > > Heather > > On 27 Feb 2013, at 19:36, Colin Holgate > -- photos: http://gerryorkin.com From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Feb 27 17:54:51 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:54:51 -0500 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: References: <7F8BA627-4942-4535-BF9C-D7D33E067D4E@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: I think that the vector shape objects will be a big boon for Mobile. Resizing with quality vectors instead of having to swap out graphics for retina @2X etc. will be a great improvement and put LC on par with xCode in handling this natively. I'm damn excited now? -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Monte Goulding writes: > >> >> Actually, I think where we are now just about to get past Box2D I think it > would be good to get more detail on the >> vector object in some forum. Even if it's just an email here. People can > clearly see Win8 as a benefit but the >> vector one is a bit to abstract to excite anyone but Scott Rossi. What are the > core things you want us to know >> about this object, are there any other products that do similar things that > you could point us to so we could >> see what we might get? > > Ha! You used "Win8" and "benefit" in the same sentence... > > Anyway, I'm far from being a Scott Rossi, but I find the vector object goal > *very* exciting. The ability to use svg graphics, fast, scalable, importable, > exportable, low overhead, the extended ability to do things with graphics we > can't presently do... the mind reels. One can only imagine what Scott must be > thinking... > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 27 18:01:30 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: =?utf-8?b?wqM0MjVrIQ==?= and 10 hours to go! Message-ID: Need. More. Stretch. Goals. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 18:05:04 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:05:04 +1100 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_=C2=A3425k!_and_10_hours_to_go!?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8860BE96-303C-47D0-9492-4610F7250B59@sweattechnologies.com> Lol... I assume they are all asleep with an early alarm... I hope they get up early enough to send out one last stretch goal update -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 28/02/2013, at 10:01 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Need. More. Stretch. Goals. > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 27 18:26:10 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Broke the Kickstarter Message-ID: Uh oh. I think we overloaded something. 503 Service Unavailable No server is available to handle this request. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Wed Feb 27 18:28:49 2013 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:28:49 +0100 Subject: Kickstarter Website not available? Message-ID: Is it just me or is the Kickstarter website really not reachable? Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- "Life is too short for boring code" From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 18:29:36 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:29:36 +1100 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 Message-ID: Er... Can anyone load the page? -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Wed Feb 27 18:31:06 2013 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:31:06 -0500 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010701ce1542$848470a0$8d8d51e0$@net> Nope, I'm now getting 503 Service Unavailable No server is available to handle this request. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11 Cell: 518-796-9332 -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Monte Goulding Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:30 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Kickstarter server 502 Er... Can anyone load the page? -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From iowahengst at mac.com Wed Feb 27 18:31:33 2013 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:31:33 -0600 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7451EC19-290C-4317-9AD5-9E5220D2EF61@mac.com> This loads on my phone http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode/ On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Er... Can anyone load the page? > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Wed Feb 27 18:32:02 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:32:02 -0800 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I got a 504! Paul On 2013-02-27, at 3:29 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Er... Can anyone load the page? > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 27 18:32:06 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Kickstarter server 502 References: Message-ID: Monte Goulding writes: > > Er... Can anyone load the page? It's not just our page - the whole site is down. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From revolution at derbrill.de Wed Feb 27 18:32:35 2013 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:32:35 +0100 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: meh! That is not fair... From bonnmike at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 18:34:20 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:34:20 -0700 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kaboom goes the server. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Malte Brill wrote: > meh! That is not fair... > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Wed Feb 27 18:35:06 2013 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:35:06 -0500 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010801ce1543$137749e0$3a65dda0$@net> Me too.... 502 Bad Gateway The server returned an invalid or incomplete response. I think we broke it. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Monte Goulding Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:30 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Kickstarter server 502 Er... Can anyone load the page? -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From shawnlivecode at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 18:34:42 2013 From: shawnlivecode at gmail.com (Shawn Blc) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:34:42 -0600 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 502 here. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Malte Brill wrote: > meh! That is not fair... > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 18:36:26 2013 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:36:26 +0000 Subject: Broke the Kickstarter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, took you up on your powertools/powerdebug offer. Very generous of you. Bernard On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Uh oh. > I think we overloaded something. > > 503 Service Unavailable > No server is available to handle this request. > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From bonnmike at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 18:36:48 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:36:48 -0700 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Its back. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > Kaboom goes the server. > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Malte Brill wrote: > >> meh! That is not fair... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Wed Feb 27 18:37:54 2013 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:37:54 -0500 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010f01ce1543$774696b0$65d3c410$@net> I'm just going to http://www.kickstarter.com/ and getting a myriad..... a veritable cornucopia of errors Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Wieder Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:32 PM To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Kickstarter server 502 Monte Goulding writes: > > Er... Can anyone load the page? It's not just our page - the whole site is down. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bonnmike at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 18:37:31 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:37:31 -0700 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: its back! Its gone! Its back! Its gone! *sigh* On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > Its back. > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > >> Kaboom goes the server. >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Malte Brill wrote: >> >>> meh! That is not fair... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 27 18:37:16 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Kickstarter server 502 References: Message-ID: Yay! It's back! -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Feb 27 18:34:44 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Kickstarter server 502 References: Message-ID: We apologize, but it looks like something's gone wrong. We've been notified about this issue, and we're currently looking into it. Thanks for your patience, and sorry for the inconvenience. Please try again later. 504 Gateway Timeout -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From bonnmike at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 18:41:05 2013 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:41:05 -0700 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seems like its fully back now. YAY! On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > We apologize, but it looks like something's gone wrong. We've been notified > about this issue, and we're currently looking into it. > > Thanks for your patience, and sorry for the inconvenience. Please try again > later. > > 504 Gateway Timeout > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Wed Feb 27 18:41:55 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:41:55 -0800 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BBF14EE-05F6-447F-B72D-5C574B2A1718@pbh.on-rev.com> Maybe it's all those LC stacks probing the server every couple of mins! ;-) Paul On 2013-02-27, at 3:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > We apologize, but it looks like something's gone wrong. We've been notified > about this issue, and we're currently looking into it. > > Thanks for your patience, and sorry for the inconvenience. Please try again > later. > > 504 Gateway Timeout > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From kevin at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 18:41:59 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:41:59 +0000 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not good for one's blood pressure, moments like these they aren't. Seems to be back. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 27/02/2013 23:41, "Mike Bonner" wrote: >Seems like its fully back now. YAY! > > >On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Mark Wieder >wrote: > >> We apologize, but it looks like something's gone wrong. We've been >>notified >> about this issue, and we're currently looking into it. >> >> Thanks for your patience, and sorry for the inconvenience. Please try >>again >> later. >> >> 504 Gateway Timeout >> >> -- >> Mark Wieder >> mwieder at ahsoftware.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 18:51:22 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:51:22 +1100 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kevin take a sleeping pill and set your alarm for 6 mate :-) -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 28/02/2013, at 10:41 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > Not good for one's blood pressure, moments like these they aren't. Seems > to be back. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > > > > > On 27/02/2013 23:41, "Mike Bonner" wrote: > >> Seems like its fully back now. YAY! >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Mark Wieder >> wrote: >> >>> We apologize, but it looks like something's gone wrong. We've been >>> notified >>> about this issue, and we're currently looking into it. >>> >>> Thanks for your patience, and sorry for the inconvenience. Please try >>> again >>> later. >>> >>> 504 Gateway Timeout >>> >>> -- >>> Mark Wieder >>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com Wed Feb 27 18:52:30 2013 From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:52:30 +0100 Subject: On-Rev : Phishing attempt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1kyz8te.yvwudx171r6a8M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> stephen barncard wrote: > do you use a unique email for paypal? Yes. And the received message was not sent in to my Paypal address. > If not, then it could be just a guess by the criminal that you even have > an account and just sent to that email.. -- does it include your full > name? Not at all. Thanks! From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com Wed Feb 27 18:52:33 2013 From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:52:33 +0100 Subject: On-Rev : Phishing attempt In-Reply-To: <19127D29-0EE9-4AA5-997D-3CBC807E4B03@pbh.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <1kyz8v9.r8l9gx14d12s5M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> Paul Hibbert wrote: > Some of these attacks are very clever and try to make you click their > links because you panic thinking more about the money than your internet > security. OKay. This mail seemed very suspicious. At least, genuine messages from Paypal are written in french, as I am a frenchman ;-) I verified on the Paypal website that there was no payment. From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 27 19:01:02 2013 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:01:02 -0800 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434F8F16-59EE-42B6-8EF6-692D26808C01@sbcglobal.net> And then, there is physics in the Physics Engine support. Jim Hurley From dochawk at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 19:06:32 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:06:32 -0800 Subject: No developer license reward? In-Reply-To: <1C9955D7-D748-49E8-86AA-0CC5CFDC00E9@azurevision.co.uk> References: <7D430993-38CC-451A-97EF-0CB03902DB05@pbh.on-rev.com> <512DDD1F.4060409@cogapp.com> <1C9955D7-D748-49E8-86AA-0CC5CFDC00E9@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > I made the exact same assumption and am waiting on a reply from Heather - > but having only sent the email an hour ago I suspect they're all a bit > overwhelmed... :-) I just pledged ?310. If I can get confirmation that it can be done, I'll add a second, but we're running out of time. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 19:09:32 2013 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:09:32 +0800 Subject: mySQL OLD_PASSWORD Message-ID: Back in March 2006, when I upgraded to mySQL 5.0, Rev (now LiveCode) could not handle the new password algorithm, so you had to use the OLD_PASSWORD format. I see my passwords are still in the old format. Just downloaded the free Valentina Studio (thanks guys) and test running it. Great with Val dbs, no problems with SQLite, but when I try to access my localhost mySQL server I get: drizzle_state_handshake_result_read:old insecure authentication mechanism no supported I'm assuming this is because I'm still using the OLD_PASSWORD format. So, does anyone know if LiveCode can now handle the NEW mySQL password format? Is there any work around to get Val Studio 5.0 to work with OLD mySQL passwords? Thanks From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Feb 27 19:13:23 2013 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:13:23 -0800 Subject: Physics Engine support Message-ID: I am fully excited. ?With all due respect to Richard, I share his need for reliable video playback, but physics and better (?) vector support is substantially appealing, and makes LiveCode a viable contender in games and simulation spaces, where currently it is not. A bigger market, and more users. My bigger overall issue is display performance. ?Physics, improved video playback, and pretty much displaying everything on screen needs better performance. ?Am hoping the new changes bring about a new display architecture or whatever is needed to make LiveCode worthy of all these great new features. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: Physics Engine support From: Monte Goulding To: How to use LiveCode CC: Actually, I think where we are now just about to get past Box2D I think it would be good to get more detail on the vector object in some forum. Even if it's just an email here. People can clearly see Win8 as a benefit but the vector one is a bit to abstract to excite anyone but Scott Rossi. What are the core things you want us to know about this object, are there any other products that do similar things that you could point us to so we could see what we might get? On 28/02/2013, at 8:23 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > Yes. Couldn't agree more. -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From kevin at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 19:24:05 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:24:05 +0000 Subject: No developer license reward? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We will do it. Many thanks. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 28/02/2013 00:06, "Dr. Hawkins" wrote: >On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Ian Wood >wrote: > >>I made the exact same assumption and am waiting on a reply from Heather - >>but having only sent the email an hour ago I suspect they're all a bit >>overwhelmed... :-) > > >I just pledged ?310. If I can get confirmation that it can be done, I'll >add a second, but we're running out of time. > > >-- >Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. >(702) 508-8462 >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From kevin at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 19:26:15 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:26:15 +0000 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It does. That's the big challenge with the Physics stretch goal and its vital to so many apps. Just hooking in the physics engine isn't so hard. The GPU is where it is at, or rather, where it needs to be for this sort of stuff to work well. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 28/02/2013 00:13, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >I am fully excited. With all due respect to Richard, I share his need >for reliable video playback, but physics and better (?) vector support is >substantially appealing, and makes LiveCode a viable contender in games >and simulation spaces, where currently it is not. A bigger market, and >more users. > >My bigger overall issue is display performance. Physics, improved video >playback, and pretty much displaying everything on screen needs better >performance. Am hoping the new changes bring about a new display >architecture or whatever is needed to make LiveCode worthy of all these >great new features. > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 19:30:28 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:30:28 +1100 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kevin seeing as you refuse to heed my advice to take a sleeping pill could you elaborate on the vector object a bit more. Anything you can share would be great. The other thing I'm wondering is will any of this stuff improve scrolling groups on iOS? -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 28/02/2013, at 11:26 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > It does. That's the big challenge with the Physics stretch goal and its > vital to so many apps. Just hooking in the physics engine isn't so hard. > The GPU is where it is at, or rather, where it needs to be for this sort > of stuff to work well. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > > > > > On 28/02/2013 00:13, "Scott Rossi" wrote: > >> I am fully excited. With all due respect to Richard, I share his need >> for reliable video playback, but physics and better (?) vector support is >> substantially appealing, and makes LiveCode a viable contender in games >> and simulation spaces, where currently it is not. A bigger market, and >> more users. >> >> My bigger overall issue is display performance. Physics, improved video >> playback, and pretty much displaying everything on screen needs better >> performance. Am hoping the new changes bring about a new display >> architecture or whatever is needed to make LiveCode worthy of all these >> great new features. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From userev at canelasoftware.com Wed Feb 27 19:33:28 2013 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:33:28 -0800 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014C575F-039C-4783-9F17-4F592E4DB0EF@canelasoftware.com> Since we are asking Kevin to stay awake a little longer, I have a question as well. I am one of those that is in need for improved media support for all platforms. The brief write up does not mention the camera for desktop. Will the new media support include modern support for the camera on desktop for video recording? Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Kevin seeing as you refuse to heed my advice to take a sleeping pill could you elaborate on the vector object a bit more. Anything you can share would be great. The other thing I'm wondering is will any of this stuff improve scrolling groups on iOS? > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 28/02/2013, at 11:26 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > >> It does. That's the big challenge with the Physics stretch goal and its >> vital to so many apps. Just hooking in the physics engine isn't so hard. >> The GPU is where it is at, or rather, where it needs to be for this sort >> of stuff to work well. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Kevin >> >> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >> LiveCode: Everyone can code >> >> >> >> >> On 28/02/2013 00:13, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >> >>> I am fully excited. With all due respect to Richard, I share his need >>> for reliable video playback, but physics and better (?) vector support is >>> substantially appealing, and makes LiveCode a viable contender in games >>> and simulation spaces, where currently it is not. A bigger market, and >>> more users. >>> >>> My bigger overall issue is display performance. Physics, improved video >>> playback, and pretty much displaying everything on screen needs better >>> performance. Am hoping the new changes bring about a new display >>> architecture or whatever is needed to make LiveCode worthy of all these >>> great new features. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From kevin at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 19:42:01 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:42:01 +0000 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I will be asleep shortly. I am the only one left up so I am unable to get anyone on the dev team to provide much more info. I've been party to various discussions on this but I should really check with them on the final plan for it. This blurb I have from a management doc and it is up to date but it doesn't provide much more than is up on the site unfortunately: The target of this goal is to provide a replacement for the existing ?graphic? object. The new object (referred to at present as a ?shape?) would use sub-pixel positioning and standard 2d vector paths. Additionally, the idea of a ?group? shape type would be used to allow nested rendering - the ultimate goal being that the ?shape? object be able to import and display SVG. This is (essentially) an entirely platform-independent project with most of the work going into the syntax and semantics of the object, and the SVG importer. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 28/02/2013 00:30, "Monte Goulding" wrote: >Kevin seeing as you refuse to heed my advice to take a sleeping pill >could you elaborate on the vector object a bit more. Anything you can >share would be great. The other thing I'm wondering is will any of this >stuff improve scrolling groups on iOS? > >-- >M E R Goulding >Software development services > >mergExt - There's an external for that! > >On 28/02/2013, at 11:26 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > >> It does. That's the big challenge with the Physics stretch goal and its >> vital to so many apps. Just hooking in the physics engine isn't so hard. >> The GPU is where it is at, or rather, where it needs to be for this sort >> of stuff to work well. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Kevin >> >> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >> LiveCode: Everyone can code >> >> >> >> >> On 28/02/2013 00:13, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >> >>> I am fully excited. With all due respect to Richard, I share his need >>> for reliable video playback, but physics and better (?) vector support >>>is >>> substantially appealing, and makes LiveCode a viable contender in games >>> and simulation spaces, where currently it is not. A bigger market, and >>> more users. >>> >>> My bigger overall issue is display performance. Physics, improved >>>video >>> playback, and pretty much displaying everything on screen needs better >>> performance. Am hoping the new changes bring about a new display >>> architecture or whatever is needed to make LiveCode worthy of all these >>> great new features. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From kevin at runrev.com Wed Feb 27 19:44:50 2013 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:44:50 +0000 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: <014C575F-039C-4783-9F17-4F592E4DB0EF@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately to answer that one I really do need someone from dev. My apologies. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can code On 28/02/2013 00:33, "Mark Talluto" wrote: >Since we are asking Kevin to stay awake a little longer, I have a >question as well. > >I am one of those that is in need for improved media support for all >platforms. The brief write up does not mention the camera for desktop. >Will the new media support include modern support for the camera on >desktop for video recording? > > >Best regards, > >Mark Talluto >canelasoftware.com > > > >On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Monte Goulding >wrote: > >> Kevin seeing as you refuse to heed my advice to take a sleeping pill >>could you elaborate on the vector object a bit more. Anything you can >>share would be great. The other thing I'm wondering is will any of this >>stuff improve scrolling groups on iOS? >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> On 28/02/2013, at 11:26 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: >> >>> It does. That's the big challenge with the Physics stretch goal and its >>> vital to so many apps. Just hooking in the physics engine isn't so >>>hard. >>> The GPU is where it is at, or rather, where it needs to be for this >>>sort >>> of stuff to work well. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >>> LiveCode: Everyone can code >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 28/02/2013 00:13, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >>> >>>> I am fully excited. With all due respect to Richard, I share his need >>>> for reliable video playback, but physics and better (?) vector >>>>support is >>>> substantially appealing, and makes LiveCode a viable contender in >>>>games >>>> and simulation spaces, where currently it is not. A bigger market, and >>>> more users. >>>> >>>> My bigger overall issue is display performance. Physics, improved >>>>video >>>> playback, and pretty much displaying everything on screen needs better >>>> performance. Am hoping the new changes bring about a new display >>>> architecture or whatever is needed to make LiveCode worthy of all >>>>these >>>> great new features. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From userev at canelasoftware.com Wed Feb 27 19:58:18 2013 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:58:18 -0800 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <760A8D4B-A8A1-4240-8814-6E21FED02159@canelasoftware.com> Thanks. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > Unfortunately to answer that one I really do need someone from dev. My > apologies. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > > > > > On 28/02/2013 00:33, "Mark Talluto" wrote: > >> Since we are asking Kevin to stay awake a little longer, I have a >> question as well. >> >> I am one of those that is in need for improved media support for all >> platforms. The brief write up does not mention the camera for desktop. >> Will the new media support include modern support for the camera on >> desktop for video recording? >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Talluto >> canelasoftware.com >> >> >> >> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Monte Goulding >> wrote: >> >>> Kevin seeing as you refuse to heed my advice to take a sleeping pill >>> could you elaborate on the vector object a bit more. Anything you can >>> share would be great. The other thing I'm wondering is will any of this >>> stuff improve scrolling groups on iOS? >>> >>> -- >>> M E R Goulding >>> Software development services >>> >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>> >>> On 28/02/2013, at 11:26 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: >>> >>>> It does. That's the big challenge with the Physics stretch goal and its >>>> vital to so many apps. Just hooking in the physics engine isn't so >>>> hard. >>>> The GPU is where it is at, or rather, where it needs to be for this >>>> sort >>>> of stuff to work well. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >>>> LiveCode: Everyone can code >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28/02/2013 00:13, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am fully excited. With all due respect to Richard, I share his need >>>>> for reliable video playback, but physics and better (?) vector >>>>> support is >>>>> substantially appealing, and makes LiveCode a viable contender in >>>>> games >>>>> and simulation spaces, where currently it is not. A bigger market, and >>>>> more users. >>>>> >>>>> My bigger overall issue is display performance. Physics, improved >>>>> video >>>>> playback, and pretty much displaying everything on screen needs better >>>>> performance. Am hoping the new changes bring about a new display >>>>> architecture or whatever is needed to make LiveCode worthy of all >>>>> these >>>>> great new features. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 20:10:51 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:10:51 +1100 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14993486-5AD6-4719-9117-2E8B913C5809@sweattechnologies.com> Mmmm.... Inkscspe! Thanks Kevin! -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 28/02/2013, at 11:42 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > I will be asleep shortly. I am the only one left up so I am unable to get > anyone on the dev team to provide much more info. I've been party to > various discussions on this but I should really check with them on the > final plan for it. This blurb I have from a management doc and it is up to > date but it doesn't provide much more than is up on the site unfortunately: > > The target of this goal is to provide a replacement for the existing > ?graphic? object. The new object (referred to at present as a ?shape?) > would use sub-pixel positioning and standard 2d vector paths. > Additionally, the idea of a ?group? shape type would be used to allow > nested rendering - the ultimate goal being that the ?shape? object be able > to import and display SVG. This is (essentially) an entirely > platform-independent project with most of the work going into the syntax > and semantics of the object, and the SVG importer. > > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > > > > > On 28/02/2013 00:30, "Monte Goulding" wrote: > >> Kevin seeing as you refuse to heed my advice to take a sleeping pill >> could you elaborate on the vector object a bit more. Anything you can >> share would be great. The other thing I'm wondering is will any of this >> stuff improve scrolling groups on iOS? >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> On 28/02/2013, at 11:26 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: >> >>> It does. That's the big challenge with the Physics stretch goal and its >>> vital to so many apps. Just hooking in the physics engine isn't so hard. >>> The GPU is where it is at, or rather, where it needs to be for this sort >>> of stuff to work well. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >>> LiveCode: Everyone can code >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 28/02/2013 00:13, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >>> >>>> I am fully excited. With all due respect to Richard, I share his need >>>> for reliable video playback, but physics and better (?) vector support >>>> is >>>> substantially appealing, and makes LiveCode a viable contender in games >>>> and simulation spaces, where currently it is not. A bigger market, and >>>> more users. >>>> >>>> My bigger overall issue is display performance. Physics, improved >>>> video >>>> playback, and pretty much displaying everything on screen needs better >>>> performance. Am hoping the new changes bring about a new display >>>> architecture or whatever is needed to make LiveCode worthy of all these >>>> great new features. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 20:17:53 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:17:53 +1100 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: <14993486-5AD6-4719-9117-2E8B913C5809@sweattechnologies.com> References: <14993486-5AD6-4719-9117-2E8B913C5809@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <4C521895-E47E-4E9D-A485-A4BB33A4B367@sweattechnologies.com> Seriously wondering if we need another goal out there now. We are only 15k off running out of stuff to strive for... What's the next carrot? -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 28/02/2013, at 12:10 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Mmmm.... Inkscspe! Thanks Kevin! > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 28/02/2013, at 11:42 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > >> I will be asleep shortly. I am the only one left up so I am unable to get >> anyone on the dev team to provide much more info. I've been party to >> various discussions on this but I should really check with them on the >> final plan for it. This blurb I have from a management doc and it is up to >> date but it doesn't provide much more than is up on the site unfortunately: >> >> The target of this goal is to provide a replacement for the existing >> ?graphic? object. The new object (referred to at present as a ?shape?) >> would use sub-pixel positioning and standard 2d vector paths. >> Additionally, the idea of a ?group? shape type would be used to allow >> nested rendering - the ultimate goal being that the ?shape? object be able >> to import and display SVG. This is (essentially) an entirely >> platform-independent project with most of the work going into the syntax >> and semantics of the object, and the SVG importer. >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Kevin >> >> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >> LiveCode: Everyone can code >> >> >> >> >> On 28/02/2013 00:30, "Monte Goulding" wrote: >> >>> Kevin seeing as you refuse to heed my advice to take a sleeping pill >>> could you elaborate on the vector object a bit more. Anything you can >>> share would be great. The other thing I'm wondering is will any of this >>> stuff improve scrolling groups on iOS? >>> >>> -- >>> M E R Goulding >>> Software development services >>> >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>> >>> On 28/02/2013, at 11:26 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: >>> >>>> It does. That's the big challenge with the Physics stretch goal and its >>>> vital to so many apps. Just hooking in the physics engine isn't so hard. >>>> The GPU is where it is at, or rather, where it needs to be for this sort >>>> of stuff to work well. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >>>> LiveCode: Everyone can code >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28/02/2013 00:13, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am fully excited. With all due respect to Richard, I share his need >>>>> for reliable video playback, but physics and better (?) vector support >>>>> is >>>>> substantially appealing, and makes LiveCode a viable contender in games >>>>> and simulation spaces, where currently it is not. A bigger market, and >>>>> more users. >>>>> >>>>> My bigger overall issue is display performance. Physics, improved >>>>> video >>>>> playback, and pretty much displaying everything on screen needs better >>>>> performance. Am hoping the new changes bring about a new display >>>>> architecture or whatever is needed to make LiveCode worthy of all these >>>>> great new features. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From shawnlivecode at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 20:21:17 2013 From: shawnlivecode at gmail.com (Shawn Blc) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:21:17 -0600 Subject: What are the advantages of using on-rev over installing on say: hostgator? Message-ID: What are the advantages of using on-rev over installing on say: hostgator? From userev at canelasoftware.com Wed Feb 27 20:36:32 2013 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:36:32 -0800 Subject: What are the advantages of using on-rev over installing on say: hostgator? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0EC66057-99C9-4D36-9A53-B142B85CACEB@canelasoftware.com> On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Shawn Blc wrote: > What are the advantages of using on-rev over installing on say: hostgator? My past experience with Hostgator was not good. We could not allow two email programs to hit the server at the same time. We would use up their allotted socket connections with email alone. Maybe they have gotten better over the last couple of years. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 20:43:39 2013 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:43:39 +0800 Subject: What are the advantages of using on-rev over installing on say: hostgator? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: LiveCode Server Scripting language http://www.on-rev.com/hosting/features-chart/ Can you write a web page in LiveCode and have it work with Hostgatore... I think not. With On-Rev you can have a hybrid web page - a .html page that contains LiveCode scripts or a .lc page and the On-Rev server engine knows exactly what to do with it. You never know though, the way the future is looking hosting sites might be making more enqires as to what all the fuss about LiveCode is and might offer the service as well. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Shawn Blc wrote: > What are the advantages of using on-rev over installing on say: hostgator? > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Feb 27 21:01:40 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:01:40 -0800 Subject: What are the advantages of using on-rev over installing on say: hostgator? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512EBA84.6020109@fourthworld.com> Kay C Lan wrote: > LiveCode Server Scripting language > > http://www.on-rev.com/hosting/features-chart/ > > Can you write a web page in LiveCode and have it work with Hostgatore... I > think not. > > With On-Rev you can have a hybrid web page - a .html page that contains > LiveCode scripts or a .lc page and the On-Rev server engine knows exactly > what to do with it. LiveCode-Server <> On-Rev. LiveCode-Server is an application that can run as a CGI; On-Rev is a hosting service with LiveCode-Server preinstalled. I've used LiveCode-Server successfully on a wide range of hosts, including servers in my office, but with shared hosts be forewarned: Many hosting companies are switching to the XFS file system, usually using 64-bit inodes. In such a configuration I've learned that LC's calls to the fstat() system function are remapped to fstat64(), returning a structure with integers too large for LC to understand, and thereby failing with some file I/O calls. Dreamhost is among those using 64-bit inodes. Their migration to this new configuration began over the summer, and is continuing. Any DH servers currently running LC well will likely be affected sooner or later. The blog at LiveCodeJournal.com is currently unavailable as a result of this Dreamhost migration. That said, the folks at RunRev have been working on this, and I believe they're planning on being able to handle fstat64() data fine in an upcoming version. Since I don't know either when that version will be released, I've started moving my Dreamhost domains to InterServer, which I've tested and is currently compatible with LiveCode-Server. InterServer also has cheap VPS options over which you have total control, so I also have one of those and I'm now covered for all circumstances. In fact, the only holdup with moving LiveCodeJournal.com to my new host is with its forum - anyone here have any tips for moving PHPBB from one host to another? From what I've found online it doesn't seem the hardest thing I'll ever do, but not convenient either. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From dochawk at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 21:15:40 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:15:40 -0800 Subject: No developer license reward? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > We will do it. Many thanks. > OK; I set it at 625, actually, for the shipping. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Feb 27 21:16:22 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:16:22 -0800 Subject: Post-KickStarter LiveCode - security issue fix? In-Reply-To: <24C61DDA-6C67-47E4-B531-249659ECE52D@gmail.com> References: <24C61DDA-6C67-47E4-B531-249659ECE52D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512EBDF6.5080008@fourthworld.com> Lyn Teyla wrote: > It has been 3 years since my post to this list urging RunRev to > fix the serious security issue where the scripts of password > protected stacks and standalone apps can be fully viewed via > memory dumps. While it's good to see Kevin & Co. has a plan to minimize this risk, the situation is far broader: Using the same memory dump tools coupled with a decompiler, any app written in any language can have its internal algorithms and data clearly revealed. See original thread, which also notes the difficulty of doing memory dumps: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Feb 27 21:18:43 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:18:43 -0800 Subject: Congratulations, community! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512EBE83.1000608@fourthworld.com> Marty Billingsley wrote: > It occurs to me (a little late) that we should have gotten Stephen > Fry to tweet about the Kickstarter project. He's all about > technology, and a huge Apple fan... And LiveCode has him covered with both his favorite OSes, since he's also an Ubuntu user: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 21:25:32 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:25:32 +1100 Subject: Multimedia!!!!! Message-ID: see subject -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From alex at harryscollar.com Wed Feb 27 21:34:22 2013 From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:34:22 +1000 Subject: Multimedia!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512EC22E.6050505@harryscollar.com> Awesome! :) This and resolution independence makes LC a much better option than Flash for multimedia apps. regards alex On 28/02/13 12:25 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > see subject > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 21:42:05 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:42:05 +1100 Subject: Multimedia!!!!! In-Reply-To: <512EC22E.6050505@harryscollar.com> References: <512EC22E.6050505@harryscollar.com> Message-ID: Under 6k to the browser. Anyone have Kevin's number. He needs to wake up and release at least one more goal! On 28/02/2013, at 1:34 PM, Alex Shaw wrote: > Awesome! :) > > This and resolution independence makes LC a much better option than Flash for multimedia apps. > > regards > alex > > > On 28/02/13 12:25 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: >> see subject >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Wed Feb 27 21:47:49 2013 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:47:49 -0800 Subject: Multimedia!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <512EC22E.6050505@harryscollar.com> Message-ID: <0B27BAEF-8FAC-457E-8B45-FED9B28D5E29@pbh.on-rev.com> Wow! At this rate 1/2 million is possible. I'd love to see Kevin's face when he checks in in the morning, hopefully unshaven! Last chance for a Lifetime licences, now it looks like amazing value, I can't wait to see what comes next. On 2013-02-27, at 6:42 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Under 6k to the browser. Anyone have Kevin's number. He needs to wake up and release at least one more goal! > > On 28/02/2013, at 1:34 PM, Alex Shaw wrote: > >> Awesome! :) >> >> This and resolution independence makes LC a much better option than Flash for multimedia apps. >> >> regards >> alex >> >> >> On 28/02/13 12:25 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: >>> see subject >>> -- >>> M E R Goulding >>> Software development services >>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >>> >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 22:02:47 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:02:47 +1100 Subject: Multimedia!!!!! In-Reply-To: <0B27BAEF-8FAC-457E-8B45-FED9B28D5E29@pbh.on-rev.com> References: <512EC22E.6050505@harryscollar.com> <0B27BAEF-8FAC-457E-8B45-FED9B28D5E29@pbh.on-rev.com> Message-ID: It is possible but without a stretch goal I don't know what will happen. On 28/02/2013, at 1:47 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > Wow! At this rate 1/2 million is possible. I'd love to see Kevin's face when he checks in in the morning, hopefully unshaven! > > Last chance for a Lifetime licences, now it looks like amazing value, I can't wait to see what comes next. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Wed Feb 27 22:03:28 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:03:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Multimedia!!!!! In-Reply-To: <0B27BAEF-8FAC-457E-8B45-FED9B28D5E29@pbh.on-rev.com> References: <512EC22E.6050505@harryscollar.com> <0B27BAEF-8FAC-457E-8B45-FED9B28D5E29@pbh.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <1362020608973-4661540.post@n4.nabble.com> Paul Hibbert-2 wrote > Wow! At this rate 1/2 million is possible. I'd love to see Kevin's face > when he checks in in the morning, hopefully unshaven! > > Last chance for a Lifetime licences, now it looks like amazing value, I > can't wait to see what comes next. I am really blown away by the results. 1/2 of all backers were in the last 3 days. And 1/2 of the now ?447,000 was raised in the last 4 days. And I better write fast because that number is going up by about ?1k every couple of minutes. -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Multimedia-tp4661535p4661540.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Wed Feb 27 22:06:49 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:06:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Multimedia!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <512EC22E.6050505@harryscollar.com> <0B27BAEF-8FAC-457E-8B45-FED9B28D5E29@pbh.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <1362020809597-4661541.post@n4.nabble.com> Monte Goulding wrote > It is possible but without a stretch goal I don't know what will happen. They get all the money -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Multimedia-tp4661535p4661541.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From igor at semperuna.com Wed Feb 27 22:07:08 2013 From: igor at semperuna.com (Igor de Oliveira Couto) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:07:08 +1100 Subject: What are the advantages of using on-rev over installing on say: hostgator? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1DF59100-05BA-4FE9-8ED9-22B9CEC437F4@semperuna.com> On 28/02/2013, at 12:21 PM, Shawn Blc wrote: > What are the advantages of using on-rev over installing on say: hostgator? I have used HostGator in the past, and it is a rather nice company - can't really say anything bad about it. They are responsive, always try to please their customers, and the technical problems I encountered with them were always minimal, and quickly solved. On-Rev, on the other hand, is absolutely *superb*. What I've enjoyed the most in being an On-Rev customer is: - the technology on the server is kept up-to-date (php, mysql, ruby) - they don't overcrowd servers - the service is *extremely* reliable - pre-configured ability to use LiveCode scripting on web pages But above all, the support is absolutely, incomparably AMAZING. They are knowledgeable, friendly, extremely professional and *responsive*. Example: right in the middle of the kickstarter campaign, when we all knew how busy RunRev folk were, I had a *major* problem with my domain: a user on my shared server had been hacked, and as a consequence our server ended up blacklisted by certain domains, like hotmail. Despite the kickstart rush and incredibly busy time, on-rev folks responded quickly, and promptly moved my account to another server - which saved my skin. Being able to rely on your host like this is worth *gold*, and I would not hesitate to recommend on-rev. I hope this info helps. Kind regards to all, -- Igor Couto Sydney, Australia From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 22:09:45 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:09:45 -0500 Subject: Multimedia!!!!! In-Reply-To: <512EC22E.6050505@harryscollar.com> References: <512EC22E.6050505@harryscollar.com> Message-ID: <0BDFCCB9-719D-4FC7-883B-42886C70BC16@verizon.net> This isn't true. I'm preparing something to show how resolution independence ought to work. To show that I will use Flash, which is already resolution independent. On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Alex Shaw wrote: > This and resolution independence makes LC a much better option than Flash for multimedia apps. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 22:16:06 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:16:06 +1100 Subject: Multimedia!!!!! In-Reply-To: <1362020809597-4661541.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <512EC22E.6050505@harryscollar.com> <0B27BAEF-8FAC-457E-8B45-FED9B28D5E29@pbh.on-rev.com> <1362020809597-4661541.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4F473B22-7BA8-4FBE-A531-CA638ACB04A2@sweattechnologies.com> They get all the money either way. Without a stretch goal things might slow up though. At the moment I think we could get the browser within the hour and with that being about 1PM in Scotland I'm going to leak what I think is the next level to the KS forum.... On 28/02/2013, at 2:06 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > They get all the money -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 22:11:43 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:11:43 -0500 Subject: Multimedia!!!!! In-Reply-To: <1362020809597-4661541.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <512EC22E.6050505@harryscollar.com> <0B27BAEF-8FAC-457E-8B45-FED9B28D5E29@pbh.on-rev.com> <1362020809597-4661541.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1B326252-01D1-4148-A010-9EEC311636AA@verizon.net> Aside from the money that will be needed to gill rewards, Amazon and Kickstarter get 10%. So, a little extra wouldn't be a bad thing. On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Mark Smith wrote: >> It is possible but without a stretch goal I don't know what will happen. > > They get all the money From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 22:25:04 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:25:04 +1100 Subject: Browser!!!! Message-ID: see subject I've just posted this to the KS forum: OK, with the @RunRev team hopefully having a good night's rest and with us very close to our final stretch goal I'm going to take the bull by the horns and let you know what I think the next goal will be based on some information I was provided that I should be keeping to myself.... I don't know the cost but I believe the next stretch goal will be an overhaul of the database connectivity layer. I could be wrong but it is an educated guess and I might get in trouble for leaking it.... -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 22:23:02 2013 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 03:23:02 +0000 Subject: Browser!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I was Kevin, I'd be going without sleep tonight. I'm in the same timezone as him :) Bernard On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > see subject > > I've just posted this to the KS forum: > > OK, with the @RunRev team hopefully having a good night's rest and with us > very close to our final stretch goal I'm going to take the bull by the > horns and let you know what I think the next goal will be based on some > information I was provided that I should be keeping to myself.... I don't > know the cost but I believe the next stretch goal will be an overhaul of > the database connectivity layer. I could be wrong but it is an educated > guess and I might get in trouble for leaking it.... > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 22:30:16 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:30:16 +1100 Subject: Browser!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24A3D1D9-9328-4737-9A9D-40D1C5A149E8@sweattechnologies.com> On 28/02/2013, at 2:23 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > If I was Kevin, I'd be going without sleep tonight. I'm in the same > timezone as him :) Well... he's probably got to be ready for some media attention tomorrow too.... If I were him I would have dropped a valium 3 hours ago and be snoring away ;-) -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From lvhdgc7 at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 22:26:00 2013 From: lvhdgc7 at gmail.com (tbodine) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:26:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Browser!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1362021960171-4661549.post@n4.nabble.com> My mind is completely blown! Can't believe we've hit all the stretch goals with time to spare. Wow! Huge round of congrats to the LC team and community for making this happen. This is so refreshing compared to the dark future facing users of some other tools. Of course, now the work begins to convert potential to reality. -- Tom Bodine -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Browser-tp4661546p4661549.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From coiin at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 22:29:07 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:29:07 -0500 Subject: Browser!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heather may retract the "you're hired" offer. On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:25 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >I could be wrong but it is an educated guess and I might get in trouble for leaking it.... From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 22:36:16 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:36:16 +1100 Subject: Browser!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86957180-BC36-43C7-B015-3319D51B2B17@sweattechnologies.com> On 28/02/2013, at 2:29 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Heather may retract the "you're hired" offer. Well I didn't say I'd accept... hope I don't get in trouble but I just think it's important to keep this thing going. Particularly because this has been the quite time... Now I'm getting fireworks going off for ?2474... maybe someone wants a new db connectivity layer ;-) -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 22:31:54 2013 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 03:31:54 +0000 Subject: Browser!!!! In-Reply-To: <1362021960171-4661549.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1362021960171-4661549.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I completely agree with that sentiment. I was browsing the Real Studio forum the other day, and I found the levels of dissatisfaction there very sad. I have never used RealBasic, but I wish the company and the users success (I love having options). On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:26 AM, tbodine wrote: > This is so refreshing compared to the dark future facing users of some > other > tools. > From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Wed Feb 27 22:35:59 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:35:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Browser!!!! In-Reply-To: <86957180-BC36-43C7-B015-3319D51B2B17@sweattechnologies.com> References: <86957180-BC36-43C7-B015-3319D51B2B17@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1362022559341-4661553.post@n4.nabble.com> Monte Goulding wrote > Now I'm getting fireworks going off for ?2474... maybe someone wants a new > db connectivity layer ;-) > - I know, in a matter of minutes they just blew by ?450,000. Even kicktraq is not keeping up -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Browser-tp4661546p4661553.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Wed Feb 27 22:37:14 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:37:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Browser!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1362022634066-4661554.post@n4.nabble.com> Monte Goulding wrote > I don't know the cost but I believe the next stretch goal will be an > overhaul of the database connectivity layer. I could be wrong but it is an > educated guess and I might get in trouble for leaking it.... Any idea what that might involve? I'm tapped out but very interested in that area as well. -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Browser-tp4661546p4661554.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 22:45:05 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:45:05 +1100 Subject: Browser!!!! In-Reply-To: <1362022634066-4661554.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1362022634066-4661554.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 28/02/2013, at 2:37 PM, Mark Smith wrote: >> I don't know the cost but I believe the next stretch goal will be an >> overhaul of the database connectivity layer. I could be wrong but it is an >> educated guess and I might get in trouble for leaking it.... > > Any idea what that might involve? I'm tapped out but very interested in that > area as well. That's all the info I have but I'm guessing it will be a significant improvement on revDB. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Wed Feb 27 22:41:13 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:41:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Browser!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1362022873778-4661556.post@n4.nabble.com> Bernard Devlin-2 wrote > If I was Kevin, I'd be going without sleep tonight. I'm in the same > timezone as him :) > > Bernard I would not be able to sleep either. However he has the added burden of making this all happen now (what is the saying... "Be careful what you wish for!!") But LC a year from now should be a very different beast. I can hardly wait -- mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Browser-tp4661546p4661556.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Wed Feb 27 22:44:38 2013 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:44:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Browser!!!! In-Reply-To: <24A3D1D9-9328-4737-9A9D-40D1C5A149E8@sweattechnologies.com> References: <24A3D1D9-9328-4737-9A9D-40D1C5A149E8@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1362023078916-4661557.post@n4.nabble.com> Monte Goulding wrote > Well... he's probably got to be ready for some media attention tomorrow > too.... If I were him I would have dropped a valium 3 hours ago and be > snoring away ;-) Speaking of snoring, I'm going to have catch some sleep pretty soon myself. Sorry I will miss the 3am party. Have a good one. Cheers, -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Browser-tp4661546p4661557.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From alex at harryscollar.com Wed Feb 27 22:45:55 2013 From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:45:55 +1000 Subject: Multimedia!!!!! In-Reply-To: <0BDFCCB9-719D-4FC7-883B-42886C70BC16@verizon.net> References: <512EC22E.6050505@harryscollar.com> <0BDFCCB9-719D-4FC7-883B-42886C70BC16@verizon.net> Message-ID: <512ED2F3.9060001@harryscollar.com> Hi Colin That was kinda my point :) I do like the way you can layout a scene in Flash that for example includes image/video and have that scale full-screen, automatically on multiple devices. Very useful for kiosks etc Soon LC will be capable of the same thing. regards alex On 28/02/13 1:09 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > This isn't true. I'm preparing something to show how resolution independence ought to work. To show that I will use Flash, which is already resolution independent. > > > On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Alex Shaw wrote: > >> This and resolution independence makes LC a much better option than Flash for multimedia apps. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Wed Feb 27 22:48:42 2013 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:48:42 -0500 Subject: Physics Engine support In-Reply-To: <4C521895-E47E-4E9D-A485-A4BB33A4B367@sweattechnologies.com> References: <14993486-5AD6-4719-9117-2E8B913C5809@sweattechnologies.com> <4C521895-E47E-4E9D-A485-A4BB33A4B367@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: USB communication instead of old serial modem stuff? Native bluetooth control? English syntax for arduino? True MS SQL for Enterprise? ~Roger On Feb 27, 2013 8:18 PM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: > Seriously wondering if we need another goal out there now. We are only 15k > off running out of stuff to strive for... What's the next carrot? > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 28/02/2013, at 12:10 PM, Monte Goulding > wrote: > > > Mmmm.... Inkscspe! Thanks Kevin! > > > > -- > > M E R Goulding > > Software development services > > > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > On 28/02/2013, at 11:42 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > > > >> I will be asleep shortly. I am the only one left up so I am unable to > get > >> anyone on the dev team to provide much more info. I've been party to > >> various discussions on this but I should really check with them on the > >> final plan for it. This blurb I have from a management doc and it is up > to > >> date but it doesn't provide much more than is up on the site > unfortunately: > >> > >> The target of this goal is to provide a replacement for the existing > >> ?graphic? object. The new object (referred to at present as a ?shape?) > >> would use sub-pixel positioning and standard 2d vector paths. > >> Additionally, the idea of a ?group? shape type would be used to allow > >> nested rendering - the ultimate goal being that the ?shape? object be > able > >> to import and display SVG. This is (essentially) an entirely > >> platform-independent project with most of the work going into the syntax > >> and semantics of the object, and the SVG importer. > >> > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> > >> Kevin > >> > >> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > >> LiveCode: Everyone can code > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 28/02/2013 00:30, "Monte Goulding" > wrote: > >> > >>> Kevin seeing as you refuse to heed my advice to take a sleeping pill > >>> could you elaborate on the vector object a bit more. Anything you can > >>> share would be great. The other thing I'm wondering is will any of this > >>> stuff improve scrolling groups on iOS? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> M E R Goulding > >>> Software development services > >>> > >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! > >>> > >>> On 28/02/2013, at 11:26 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > >>> > >>>> It does. That's the big challenge with the Physics stretch goal and > its > >>>> vital to so many apps. Just hooking in the physics engine isn't so > hard. > >>>> The GPU is where it is at, or rather, where it needs to be for this > sort > >>>> of stuff to work well. > >>>> > >>>> Kind regards, > >>>> > >>>> Kevin > >>>> > >>>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > >>>> LiveCode: Everyone can code > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 28/02/2013 00:13, "Scott Rossi" wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I am fully excited. With all due respect to Richard, I share his > need > >>>>> for reliable video playback, but physics and better (?) vector > support > >>>>> is > >>>>> substantially appealing, and makes LiveCode a viable contender in > games > >>>>> and simulation spaces, where currently it is not. A bigger market, > and > >>>>> more users. > >>>>> > >>>>> My bigger overall issue is display performance. Physics, improved > >>>>> video > >>>>> playback, and pretty much displaying everything on screen needs > better > >>>>> performance. Am hoping the new changes bring about a new display > >>>>> architecture or whatever is needed to make LiveCode worthy of all > these > >>>>> great new features. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> use-livecode mailing list > >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>>> subscription preferences: > >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> use-livecode mailing list > >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>> subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Feb 27 22:53:19 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:53:19 -0800 Subject: Browser!!!! In-Reply-To: <86957180-BC36-43C7-B015-3319D51B2B17@sweattechnologies.com> References: <86957180-BC36-43C7-B015-3319D51B2B17@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <512ED4AF.2090805@fourthworld.com> Monte Goulding wrote: >... maybe someone wants a new db connectivity layer ;-) Rather than a third rewrite of the SQL connectors, how about a first version of a MongoDB connector? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web ____________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From chipp at chipp.com Wed Feb 27 23:11:56 2013 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:11:56 -0600 Subject: Congratulations, community! In-Reply-To: <512EBE83.1000608@fourthworld.com> References: <512EBE83.1000608@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Super congratulations to Kevin and the whole RunRev team. They had the guts to go for it and made it! Once again Kevin proves to me why he's the best curator of our beloved LiveCode ever. I'm super excited for them...and us! Great work all! Chipp Walters On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Marty Billingsley wrote: > > > It occurs to me (a little late) that we should have gotten Stephen > > Fry to tweet about the Kickstarter project. He's all about > > technology, and a huge Apple fan... > > And LiveCode has him covered with both his favorite OSes, since he's also > an Ubuntu user: > > > > > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/**FourthWorldSys > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl Wed Feb 27 23:13:49 2013 From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 05:13:49 +0100 Subject: What has Cocoa to do wit Windows RT? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88E48B27-AE07-4C5D-B4D6-9C933840AD96@de-mare.nl> I am so excited that ALL the stretch goals are reached, and that they still have an extra dime to get some candy. But I was wondering about what this could mean: "So many people have asked for Windows Mobile support since RT was launched! Doing the Cocoa layer first brings this within reach." And also: "Some of these items do have dependencies on other items being completed first (Pluggable Themes & Cocoa is essential before Windows RT for example)." I am not a very technical guy, but I just don't understand the connection between those. Cocoa is as Apple as it gets, and Windows RT is on that other island. How can there be depencencies between them? From jim at d-film.com Wed Feb 27 23:14:00 2013 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:14:00 -0500 Subject: Kickstarter server 502 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I blame the Chinese military. Or the Russian mob. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Feb 27 23:20:29 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:20:29 +1100 Subject: What has Cocoa to do wit Windows RT? In-Reply-To: <88E48B27-AE07-4C5D-B4D6-9C933840AD96@de-mare.nl> References: <88E48B27-AE07-4C5D-B4D6-9C933840AD96@de-mare.nl> Message-ID: <5D904200-AAAF-494B-A07D-967FC3053956@sweattechnologies.com> I think it's about modularising the platform API On 28/02/2013, at 3:13 PM, Terry Vogelaar wrote: > "So many people have asked for Windows Mobile support since RT was launched! Doing the Cocoa layer first brings this within reach." > And also: > "Some of these items do have dependencies on other items being completed first (Pluggable Themes & Cocoa is essential before Windows RT for example)." -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From jim at d-film.com Wed Feb 27 23:16:03 2013 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:16:03 -0500 Subject: On-Rev : Phishing attempt In-Reply-To: <1kyz8v9.r8l9gx14d12s5M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> References: <19127D29-0EE9-4AA5-997D-3CBC807E4B03@pbh.on-rev.com> <1kyz8v9.r8l9gx14d12s5M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> Message-ID: Whenever I get an email like this I immediately look at the original source and headers. Always look at the HREF addresses hidden in the message body. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 23:20:45 2013 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 04:20:45 +0000 Subject: What has Cocoa to do wit Windows RT? In-Reply-To: <88E48B27-AE07-4C5D-B4D6-9C933840AD96@de-mare.nl> References: <88E48B27-AE07-4C5D-B4D6-9C933840AD96@de-mare.nl> Message-ID: I think that the Windows RT (mobile) side of things is dependent on pluggable themes. I cannot see how Cocoa is any way related to it. I just never thought any of the stretch goals would be achieved. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:13 AM, Terry Vogelaar wrote: > I am so excited that ALL the stretch goals are reached, and that they > still have an extra dime to get some candy. > > But I was wondering about what this could mean: > "So many people have asked for Windows Mobile support since RT was > launched! Doing the Cocoa layer first brings this within reach." > And also: > "Some of these items do have dependencies on other items being completed > first (Pluggable Themes & Cocoa is essential before Windows RT for > example)." > > I am not a very technical guy, but I just don't understand the connection > between those. Cocoa is as Apple as it gets, and Windows RT is on that > other island. How can there be depencencies between them? > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 28 00:18:17 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:18:17 -0800 Subject: What has Cocoa to do wit Windows RT? In-Reply-To: <5D904200-AAAF-494B-A07D-967FC3053956@sweattechnologies.com> References: <5D904200-AAAF-494B-A07D-967FC3053956@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <512EE899.1080406@fourthworld.com> Monte Goulding wrote: > I think it's about modularising the platform API Connecting the dots: Modularized platform API + Linux engine for ARM + Ubuntu in smartphones tablets ----------------------------- = LiveCode on Ubuntu Mobile -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web ____________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From lyn.teyla at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 03:10:14 2013 From: lyn.teyla at gmail.com (Lyn Teyla) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:10:14 +0100 Subject: Post-KickStarter LiveCode - security issue fix? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1258031C-2983-4E81-956B-C9CC12CEAE13@gmail.com> Thanks Kevin, looking forward to the security improvements. Lyn On Feb 27, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > This is a common problem with high level languages and has always been > present not only in our platform, but in many others throughout history. > We do have various ideas about how to further improve code security in the > commercial edition and look forward to implementing those during the > restructure. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can code > > > > > On 27/02/2013 18:08, "Lyn Teyla" wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> It has been 3 years since my post to this list urging RunRev to fix the >> serious security issue where the scripts of password protected stacks and >> standalone apps can be fully viewed via memory dumps. >> >> This is because password protected scripts remain unencrypted in memory >> after compilation. That's right, no password is needed, the code is right >> there in memory. >> >> The issue was also lodged via the LiveCode Quality Control Center (LQCC) >> as report #8672: >> >> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8672 >> >> In September 2010, Mark Waddingham finally responded to the LQCC report, >> saying that the issue would be eliminated in 5.0 with the move to Unicode. >> >> He then marked the LQCC report as private. >> >> Alas, even after the move to Unicode, the issue remains unresolved. >> >> In September 2011, I requested for a RunRev response via the LQCC report, >> and received none. >> >> In August 2012, I once again requested for a response, and finally >> received a reply from "Your Quality Team", who said they did not have an >> expected target release for this fix yet. >> >> They then set the report to "Hibernating" mode, which sure doesn't sound >> good. >> >> It is now 2013. Post-KickStarter, RunRev will be implementing a revamp to >> LiveCode, while offering dual-licensing. >> >> Given that the main difference between the commercial version and the >> open source version is script security, this has become an issue of even >> greater importance. >> >> And yet, there has been no word about when this security issue will be >> fixed. >> >> The LQCC report remains "hibernated". >> >> So the question is, when exactly will this issue finally and actually be >> fixed? >> >> Also, if it still isn't fixed once dual-licensing is up and running, then >> what would be the point of releasing closed-source applications when the >> code is going to be right there in memory unencrypted, for thieves to >> steal? >> >> Does no one else think this is an important issue that needs to be >> addressed immediately? >> >> - Lyn >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 28 03:10:33 2013 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:10:33 +0000 Subject: The trick for Linux is getting it into the repositories Message-ID: <201302280810.33911.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> The trick for Linux is going to be getting it into the main repos - Debian, Fedora, Suse, Ubuntu. A Slackware package too. That is really what will make it take off in Linux. Peter From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 28 04:08:32 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:08:32 +1100 Subject: party time Message-ID: <944292B1-8D93-449E-A149-4E0EAB9CFE88@sweattechnologies.com> https://plus.google.com/events/c9ps7jck84e2gfpt7s1orn2e1os? -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From janschenkel at yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 04:26:16 2013 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 01:26:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: party time In-Reply-To: <944292B1-8D93-449E-A149-4E0EAB9CFE88@sweattechnologies.com> References: <944292B1-8D93-449E-A149-4E0EAB9CFE88@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1362043576.60737.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Final pledge total: ?493,795 - amazing end result after this roller-coaster ride. Congrats to the RunRev team and thanks to all who have now coloured the future LiveCode-blue! (No time to party for me as I'm at the day-job *sniffles*) Cheers, Jan Schenkel. ? ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ----- Original Message ----- From: Monte Goulding To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: party time https://plus.google.com/events/c9ps7jck84e2gfpt7s1orn2e1os? -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From gerry.orkin at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 04:26:34 2013 From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 01:26:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: party time In-Reply-To: <944292B1-8D93-449E-A149-4E0EAB9CFE88@sweattechnologies.com> References: <944292B1-8D93-449E-A149-4E0EAB9CFE88@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1362043592694.16f70c24@Nodemailer> Be there shortly. Just getting take away :) Gerry On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > https://plus.google.com/events/c9ps7jck84e2gfpt7s1orn2e1os? > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > mergExt - There's an external for that! > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bvg at mac.com Thu Feb 28 04:36:05 2013 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:36:05 +0100 Subject: party time In-Reply-To: <1362043576.60737.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <944292B1-8D93-449E-A149-4E0EAB9CFE88@sweattechnologies.com> <1362043576.60737.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <62C35156-3DFA-43F4-807E-80B0FF28611E@mac.com> This is not the end of a crazy month, this is the start of an insane year :-D On 28.02.2013, at 10:26, Jan Schenkel wrote: > Final pledge total: ?493,795 - amazing end result after this roller-coaster ride. > Congrats to the RunRev team and thanks to all who have now coloured the future LiveCode-blue! > > (No time to party for me as I'm at the day-job *sniffles*) > > Cheers, > > Jan Schenkel. -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From janschenkel at yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 04:46:13 2013 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 01:46:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: party time In-Reply-To: <62C35156-3DFA-43F4-807E-80B0FF28611E@mac.com> References: <944292B1-8D93-449E-A149-4E0EAB9CFE88@sweattechnologies.com> <1362043576.60737.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <62C35156-3DFA-43F4-807E-80B0FF28611E@mac.com> Message-ID: <1362044773.62984.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Heh, you're absolutely right, Bj?rnke - these are exciting times! I guess the day-job has rewired my brain to think in terms of deadlines ;-) Cheers, Jan Schenkel. ? ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bj?rnke von Gierke To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:36 AM Subject: Re: party time This is not the end of a crazy month, this is the start of an insane year :-D On 28.02.2013, at 10:26, Jan Schenkel wrote: > Final pledge total: ?493,795 - amazing end result after this roller-coaster ride. > Congrats to the RunRev team and thanks to all who have now coloured the future LiveCode-blue! > > (No time to party for me as I'm at the day-job *sniffles*) > > Cheers, > > Jan Schenkel. -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 05:23:53 2013 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:23:53 +0000 Subject: The trick for Linux is getting it into the repositories In-Reply-To: <201302280810.33911.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> References: <201302280810.33911.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: I thought the same thing last night. And I see strong reasons why some Linux distributions will want it to be there. One of my greatest disappointments with LiveCode in the last 10 years has been my problems getting it running on almost every distribution I've tried (when I could get it running within a couple of minutes I would find it such a badly behaved application it was unusable). I gave up blaming Runrev for that, and decided it was more to do with variations within Linux distributions themselves. So, now that it is open source, I expect to see the people who know about the idiosyncracies with their distribution sort out the problems with LiveCode on those distributions. If necessary, they will fork the code to do so. Having the code modularised should make identifying the problems easier. They have no reason not to fork the code (they will have no concern with password protection). Bernard On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Peter Alcibiades < palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > The trick for Linux is going to be getting it into the main repos - > Debian, Fedora, Suse, Ubuntu. A Slackware package too. That is really > what will make it take off in Linux. > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From revolution at derbrill.de Thu Feb 28 06:10:31 2013 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:10:31 +0100 Subject: Now that the kickstarter was such a huge success... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When will we see a TED-talk by Kevin? Ideally sporting his newly aquired beard? :-) From peterwawood at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 07:37:30 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:37:30 +0800 Subject: Kevin Miller Video on 1001 things to do with LiveCode Message-ID: <3FDC7D14-B9A3-4819-A835-C5BFAFF7D47A@gmail.com> I've just updated the entry on John Craig's fantastic lip syncing Kevin Miller to show the embedded video instead of just a screenshot. It's short, fun and very topical. Peter http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com PS There was a link to the video in the previous version but I think this looks better. PSS It's actual a double of Kevin. From peterwawood at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 07:41:02 2013 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:41:02 +0800 Subject: Kevin Miller Video on 1001 things to do with LiveCode In-Reply-To: <3FDC7D14-B9A3-4819-A835-C5BFAFF7D47A@gmail.com> References: <3FDC7D14-B9A3-4819-A835-C5BFAFF7D47A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A6F727F-39C7-4D49-A32F-CBE999607A99@gmail.com> Oops I forgot the URL - http://livecode1001.blogspot.com/2013/02/make-talking-dog.html On 28 Feb 2013, at 20:37, Peter W A Wood wrote: > I've just updated the entry on John Craig's fantastic lip syncing Kevin Miller to show the embedded video instead of just a screenshot. It's short, fun and very topical. > > Peter > http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com > > PS There was a link to the video in the previous version but I think this looks better. > > PSS It's actual a double of Kevin. From kkaufman at snet.net Thu Feb 28 09:17:29 2013 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:17:29 -0500 Subject: Congratulations, community! Message-ID: I'm very glad to see that we all could come together to support this promising endeavor! Even though I'm not doing much programming at the moment, I do use my LC-based applications everyday in a professional setting, and have a significant interest in seeing continued support for LC. Thanks to all! Kurt From andrew at ctech.me Thu Feb 28 09:40:36 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:40:36 -0600 Subject: Browser!!!! In-Reply-To: <512ED4AF.2090805@fourthworld.com> References: <86957180-BC36-43C7-B015-3319D51B2B17@sweattechnologies.com> <512ED4AF.2090805@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: We would likely fund a kickstarter or fund this feature alone. An async mongo driver would solve every single programming problem I have right now. Andrew On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Monte Goulding wrote: > > >... maybe someone wants a new db connectivity layer ;-) > > Rather than a third rewrite of the SQL connectors, how about a first > version of a MongoDB connector? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web > ______________________________**______________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From andrew at ctech.me Thu Feb 28 09:41:24 2013 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:41:24 -0600 Subject: Now that the kickstarter was such a huge success... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think he should have to wear a fake one until his real one grows in. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:10 AM, Malte Brill wrote: > When will we see a TED-talk by Kevin? Ideally sporting his newly aquired > beard? :-) > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From todd at geistinteractive.com Thu Feb 28 09:43:29 2013 From: todd at geistinteractive.com (Todd Geist) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:43:29 -0800 Subject: Kickstarter Pledge Payment Not Accepted Message-ID: <512F6D11.5080601@geistinteractive.com> This is just a heads up. A couple of us had their payments declined by their banks because they considered the transaction suspicious. A call to the bank cleared it up, and the charge was accepted. My guess is that charge probably originated in the UK. Then it shows up in the middle of the night, and is for some weird amount. I'll be that a significant number of US backers got hit with the same thing. I hope this doesn't significantly impact the actual funds collected. Todd From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 28 09:53:14 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:53:14 -0800 Subject: On-Rev : Phishing attempt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512F6F5A.6070805@fourthworld.com> When in doubt you can forward suspicious emails that appear to be from PayPal to spoof at paypal.com and they'll reply back to let you know if it was a scam or not. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 28 10:00:09 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:00:09 -0800 Subject: The trick for Linux is getting it into the repositories In-Reply-To: <201302280810.33911.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> References: <201302280810.33911.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <512F70F9.1070202@fourthworld.com> Peter Alcibiades wrote: > The trick for Linux is going to be getting it into the main repos - > Debian, Fedora, Suse, Ubuntu. A Slackware package too. That is > really what will make it take off in Linux. Agreed. I talked about this with Canonical's Jono Bacon a couple days ago, and now that we have community participation I hope to be able to work with the LiveCode team to set up the PPA and work out the packaging details so we can put this into the Ubuntu Software Center. Along the way I'll probably make a Debian package builder in LiveCode for LiveCode-based apps. Shouldn't be too hard, with LC's minimal dependencies and generally self-contained nature. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From dwilliams at runrev.com Thu Feb 28 10:20:07 2013 From: dwilliams at runrev.com (dwilliams at runrev.com) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:20:07 -0600 Subject: On-Rev : Phishing attempt In-Reply-To: <1kyz8v9.r8l9gx14d12s5M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> References: <1kyz8v9.r8l9gx14d12s5M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <20130228092007.8980397x5plocp2c@var.on-rev.com> Hello, These types of attacks are common and generally unrelated to the mail server hosting your mail services. If you would like me to confirm that there has been no internal malicious activity, contact me via my personal email address or support and I will be happy to inspect the original email + headers. Regards, -David > Paul Hibbert wrote: > >> Some of these attacks are very clever and try to make you click their >> links because you panic thinking more about the money than your internet >> security. > > OKay. > > This mail seemed very suspicious. At least, genuine messages from Paypal > are written in french, as I am a frenchman ;-) > > I verified on the Paypal website that there was no payment. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From dochawk at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 10:27:15 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:27:15 -0800 Subject: Kickstarter Pledge Payment Not Accepted In-Reply-To: <512F6D11.5080601@geistinteractive.com> References: <512F6D11.5080601@geistinteractive.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Todd Geist wrote: > This is just a heads up. A couple of us had their payments declined by > their banks because they considered the transaction suspicious. A call to > the bank cleared it up, and the charge was accepted. > Mine was one of these. In fact, *every* charge I've ever had to runrev has triggered Barclay security. And the "retry" page at kickstarter triggers a 404 error . . . -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From dochawk at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 10:47:06 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:47:06 -0800 Subject: Post-KickStarter LiveCode - security issue fix? In-Reply-To: References: <24C61DDA-6C67-47E4-B531-249659ECE52D@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > This is a common problem with high level languages and has always been > present not only in our platform, but in many others throughout history. > We do have various ideas about how to further improve code security in the > commercial edition and look forward to implementing those during the > restructure. > It would seem to me that the code could normally be compiled and the source not even included, with an option to flag specific scripts that needed the ability to be manipulated. Maybe a "doNotCompile" property that can be set to true? -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 28 11:33:14 2013 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:33:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: The trick for Linux is getting it into the repositories In-Reply-To: <512F70F9.1070202@fourthworld.com> References: <201302280810.33911.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <512F70F9.1070202@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1362069194114-4661596.post@n4.nabble.com> Probably if you cover Ubuntu and Debian that's going to be most of it for education. There's EdUbuntu and a bunch more Ubuntu based ones and Skolelinux aka Debian Edu and Doudou Linux based on Debian proper. There is an Arch based education one, and a variant based on Suse, and one based on Fedora, but if you cover the Debian and Ubuntu variants first that will probably hit 80% of the linux education distros. Debian packages have a maintainer who gets it into the next release, which is very long, so the sooner the better for that. Ubuntu is a lot faster moving. I'm really pleased. Its the best news for the Linux flavor that one could possibly have wanted. And congratulations to the Rev team for being far sighted and brave enough to go for it. It is probably the only way to get the scale that is available, but it still took courage. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/The-trick-for-Linux-is-getting-it-into-the-repositories-tp4661569p4661596.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 28 11:52:26 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:52:26 -0800 Subject: The trick for Linux is getting it into the repositories In-Reply-To: <1362069194114-4661596.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1362069194114-4661596.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <512F8B4A.5040207@fourthworld.com> Peter Alcibiades wrote: > There's EdUbuntu and a bunch more Ubuntu based ones and Skolelinux aka > Debian Edu and Doudou Linux based on Debian proper. One of the speakers we got for our UbuCon event is very close to the Edubuntu team. I imagine as this moves along we'll see LC get a lot of attention from that distro. > I'm really pleased. Its the best news for the Linux flavor that one could > possibly have wanted. It's a start - now the road ahead becomes possible. Next up (after the Debian package tool) is the need to allow menus to be handled on Ubuntu as they are on Mac, since those two are the only OSes which have a global menu bar. I'll be looking into this after the summer. as the code gets factored. We already have the stack-cropping mechanism in place for Mac, so doing that on Ubuntu shouldn't be hard at all. The bigger challenge is to use a variant of the method used to map LC menus to Mac menu APIs to use the Qt APIs on Ubuntu. Andre, got nothing but time on your hands for that? :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Feb 28 12:32:54 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:32:54 -0500 Subject: Where to write a shared file to? Message-ID: <5A75CBC9-ED9F-4330-897E-854107C59B3D@mac.com> I am working on a cross-platform (Mac/Windows) app and I had to hire out for a low level application to be written that will trap 'all' key events on both platforms. Pretty straight forward. It timestamps and writes the key or keys that were hit out to a file that I in turn look for changes to from within LC. The key trapper will have it's own installer and I need to tell it where to write to before it is built. My question is where is the best place to write this file to on a Mac? on a PC? I am not going through the Mac App store but I don't want to run into problems with permissions etc. once deployed. I am searching online now but there is a lot of gobble goop that is not pertinent. Any help or ideas are appreciated. Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com From jeff at siphonophore.com Thu Feb 28 12:35:48 2013 From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:35:48 -0500 Subject: Now that the kickstarter was such a huge success... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I still want my hair when it comes off! Something to pass on to future generations. i think that was in at around the 35pound pledge was it not? Cheers to Kevin and the Team and everyone here for pitching in with pr and money to pull this off! what a trail its been since 97 when i first starting poking metacard! getting the $1K together at that point to do the first project was daunting and some emails with Scott Raney to try and make sure it was going to do what I needed it to do he was very reassuring and helpful and gave a money back guarantee! Looking forward to the new code base and improved multimedia! ironically my credit card company bounced the kickstarter charge early this am! why was this idiot doing a large charge to the UK at 4AM-- it must be fraud or porn! no indictment of the product just their heuristic algorithm kicking it. all put right now! Cheers, Cheers, Cheers! jeff reynolds > I think he should have to wear a fake one until his real one grows in. From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 28 12:43:31 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:43:31 -0500 Subject: Now that the kickstarter was such a huge success... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F227D56-B467-4859-80D4-51206CB72C92@verizon.net> Given that there are only so many banks, and there were 3,342 backers, I wonder if the banks spotted a pattern? On Feb 28, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote: > >ironically my credit card company bounced the kickstarter charge early this am! why was this idiot doing a large charge to the UK at 4AM-- it must be fraud or porn! no indictment of the product just their heuristic algorithm kicking it. all put right now! From 3mcgrath at comcast.net Thu Feb 28 12:44:33 2013 From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:44:33 -0500 Subject: KickStarter Web Page Message-ID: <1A86EDC3-86B9-4D4C-ABAB-D50CFD69CE8B@comcast.net> So, Can I close this KickStarter web page now? I've had it up for a month. Thomas J McGrath III 3mcgrath at comcast.net Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com From livfoss at mac.com Thu Feb 28 12:45:25 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:45:25 +0100 Subject: Where to write a shared file to? In-Reply-To: <5A75CBC9-ED9F-4330-897E-854107C59B3D@mac.com> References: <5A75CBC9-ED9F-4330-897E-854107C59B3D@mac.com> Message-ID: <515FE6DE-A5BE-40D3-B270-F1782FF1BBCC@mac.com> Tom, unless I've misunderstood what you need, why not use the specialFolderPath("support") path? These are paths that can be written to by an application on both platforms. It's easy to see what the path actually is, so you can tell the low level application. I'm using this approach for somewhere to put a data stack (a stack that can be saved at runtime) on a two-platform app and it works for me. HTH Graham On 28 Feb 2013, at 18:32, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I am working on a cross-platform (Mac/Windows) app and I had to hire out for a low level application to be written that will trap 'all' key events on both platforms. Pretty straight forward. It timestamps and writes the key or keys that were hit out to a file that I in turn look for changes to from within LC. The key trapper will have it's own installer and I need to tell it where to write to before it is built. > > My question is where is the best place to write this file to on a Mac? on a PC? > > I am not going through the Mac App store but I don't want to run into problems with permissions etc. once deployed. > > > I am searching online now but there is a lot of gobble goop that is not pertinent. > > Any help or ideas are appreciated. > > Tom > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 28 12:54:59 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:54:59 -0500 Subject: KickStarter Web Page In-Reply-To: <1A86EDC3-86B9-4D4C-ABAB-D50CFD69CE8B@comcast.net> References: <1A86EDC3-86B9-4D4C-ABAB-D50CFD69CE8B@comcast.net> Message-ID: And the tracking app I wrote. On Feb 28, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Thomas McGrath III <3mcgrath at comcast.net> wrote: > So, Can I close this KickStarter web page now? I've had it up for a month. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Feb 28 12:57:32 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:57:32 -0500 Subject: Where to write a shared file to? In-Reply-To: <515FE6DE-A5BE-40D3-B270-F1782FF1BBCC@mac.com> References: <5A75CBC9-ED9F-4330-897E-854107C59B3D@mac.com> <515FE6DE-A5BE-40D3-B270-F1782FF1BBCC@mac.com> Message-ID: Graham, Thanks for the reply.I was looking at the preferences or documents folder due to permission issues but I am just not sure if I use my apps Support folder if another application can write to it? Or is the support folder able to be accessed from both apps? Do you know? Thanks Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 28, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: > Tom, unless I've misunderstood what you need, why not use the specialFolderPath("support") path? These are paths that can be written to by an application on both platforms. It's easy to see what the path actually is, so you can tell the low level application. I'm using this approach for somewhere to put a data stack (a stack that can be saved at runtime) on a two-platform app and it works for me. > > HTH > > Graham > On 28 Feb 2013, at 18:32, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> I am working on a cross-platform (Mac/Windows) app and I had to hire out for a low level application to be written that will trap 'all' key events on both platforms. Pretty straight forward. It timestamps and writes the key or keys that were hit out to a file that I in turn look for changes to from within LC. The key trapper will have it's own installer and I need to tell it where to write to before it is built. >> >> My question is where is the best place to write this file to on a Mac? on a PC? >> >> I am not going through the Mac App store but I don't want to run into problems with permissions etc. once deployed. >> >> >> I am searching online now but there is a lot of gobble goop that is not pertinent. >> >> Any help or ideas are appreciated. >> >> Tom >> >> -- Tom McGrath III >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> mcgrath3 at mac.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Thu Feb 28 13:02:53 2013 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:02:53 -0500 Subject: KickStarter Web Page In-Reply-To: References: <1A86EDC3-86B9-4D4C-ABAB-D50CFD69CE8B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <039201ce15dd$d4ec3a50$7ec4aef0$@net> I got my binoculars out, got on the roof and I can see the Kickstarter flag has been lowered at the Edinburgh castle. I just closed my browser. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Colin Holgate Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:55 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: KickStarter Web Page And the tracking app I wrote. On Feb 28, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Thomas McGrath III <3mcgrath at comcast.net> wrote: > So, Can I close this KickStarter web page now? I've had it up for a month. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Feb 28 13:11:36 2013 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:11:36 -0800 Subject: Post-KickStarter LiveCode - security issue fix? In-Reply-To: References: <24C61DDA-6C67-47E4-B531-249659ECE52D@gmail.com> Message-ID: um, wouldn't that render a just-in-time compiler based language useless? On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > > Maybe a "doNotCompile" property that can be set to true? > Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From livfoss at mac.com Thu Feb 28 13:13:00 2013 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:13:00 +0100 Subject: Where to write a shared file to? In-Reply-To: References: <5A75CBC9-ED9F-4330-897E-854107C59B3D@mac.com> <515FE6DE-A5BE-40D3-B270-F1782FF1BBCC@mac.com> Message-ID: <7FB2A279-CAE1-44B5-B5BA-B0E9367B18F8@mac.com> I think it's OK if you haven't got a sandbox situation to deal with, but I'm not 100% sure - but a quick experiment would prove it. I can do this, but not right now, so maybe it's better to experiment yourself. Cheers Graham On 28 Feb 2013, at 18:57, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Graham, > > Thanks for the reply.I was looking at the preferences or documents folder due to permission issues but I am just not sure if I use my apps Support folder if another application can write to it? Or is the support folder able to be accessed from both apps? Do you know? > > Thanks > > Tom > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > mcgrath3 at mac.com > > On Feb 28, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: > >> Tom, unless I've misunderstood what you need, why not use the specialFolderPath("support") path? These are paths that can be written to by an application on both platforms. It's easy to see what the path actually is, so you can tell the low level application. I'm using this approach for somewhere to put a data stack (a stack that can be saved at runtime) on a two-platform app and it works for me. >> >> HTH >> >> Graham >> On 28 Feb 2013, at 18:32, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >> >>> I am working on a cross-platform (Mac/Windows) app and I had to hire out for a low level application to be written that will trap 'all' key events on both platforms. Pretty straight forward. It timestamps and writes the key or keys that were hit out to a file that I in turn look for changes to from within LC. The key trapper will have it's own installer and I need to tell it where to write to before it is built. >>> >>> My question is where is the best place to write this file to on a Mac? on a PC? >>> >>> I am not going through the Mac App store but I don't want to run into problems with permissions etc. once deployed. >>> >>> >>> I am searching online now but there is a lot of gobble goop that is not pertinent. >>> >>> Any help or ideas are appreciated. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> -- Tom McGrath III >>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >>> mcgrath3 at mac.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu Feb 28 13:21:44 2013 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:21:44 -0500 Subject: Where to write a shared file to? In-Reply-To: <7FB2A279-CAE1-44B5-B5BA-B0E9367B18F8@mac.com> References: <5A75CBC9-ED9F-4330-897E-854107C59B3D@mac.com> <515FE6DE-A5BE-40D3-B270-F1782FF1BBCC@mac.com> <7FB2A279-CAE1-44B5-B5BA-B0E9367B18F8@mac.com> Message-ID: <0537EAA7-8073-415C-AA0B-F44A04A5DDB7@mac.com> Thanks Graham, I am testing this but I don't have a Windows box (yet) so I can only test on Parallels in Windows XP but the results do look promising. Problem is I need to know for sure. Thanks again Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com mcgrath3 at mac.com On Feb 28, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: > I think it's OK if you haven't got a sandbox situation to deal with, but I'm not 100% sure - but a quick experiment would prove it. I can do this, but not right now, so maybe it's better to experiment yourself. > > Cheers > > Graham > > On 28 Feb 2013, at 18:57, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> Graham, >> >> Thanks for the reply.I was looking at the preferences or documents folder due to permission issues but I am just not sure if I use my apps Support folder if another application can write to it? Or is the support folder able to be accessed from both apps? Do you know? >> >> Thanks >> >> Tom >> >> -- Tom McGrath III >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> mcgrath3 at mac.com >> >> On Feb 28, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: >> >>> Tom, unless I've misunderstood what you need, why not use the specialFolderPath("support") path? These are paths that can be written to by an application on both platforms. It's easy to see what the path actually is, so you can tell the low level application. I'm using this approach for somewhere to put a data stack (a stack that can be saved at runtime) on a two-platform app and it works for me. >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Graham >>> On 28 Feb 2013, at 18:32, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >>> >>>> I am working on a cross-platform (Mac/Windows) app and I had to hire out for a low level application to be written that will trap 'all' key events on both platforms. Pretty straight forward. It timestamps and writes the key or keys that were hit out to a file that I in turn look for changes to from within LC. The key trapper will have it's own installer and I need to tell it where to write to before it is built. >>>> >>>> My question is where is the best place to write this file to on a Mac? on a PC? >>>> >>>> I am not going through the Mac App store but I don't want to run into problems with permissions etc. once deployed. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am searching online now but there is a lot of gobble goop that is not pertinent. >>>> >>>> Any help or ideas are appreciated. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> -- Tom McGrath III >>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >>>> mcgrath3 at mac.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu Feb 28 13:27:35 2013 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:27:35 +0000 Subject: Post-KickStarter LiveCode - security issue fix? In-Reply-To: References: <24C61DDA-6C67-47E4-B531-249659ECE52D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <050AA3DB-9EAD-4C47-A317-1B2738A063E6@azurevision.co.uk> Sure would... Ian On 28 Feb 2013, at 18:11, stephen barncard wrote: > um, wouldn't that render a just-in-time compiler based language useless? > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > >> >> >> Maybe a "doNotCompile" property that can be set to true? >> > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco Ca. USA > > more about sqb > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From revdev at pdslabs.net Thu Feb 28 14:35:22 2013 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:35:22 -0800 Subject: Need good USB HID driver for LiveCode under Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512FB17A.3080804@pdslabs.net> Hi Mitchell, I maintain an app that uses WinUSB via an external to interact with an HID device. The device is a keyboard-like thing with backlighted keys that are turned on and off by the app using it. We hired Dar Scott to develop the external that interacts with WinUSB, and to write the LC libs that enable the app to interact with the external. I'm not aware of a generic solution for all HID devices, though I haven't really looked in a long time. I assume Dar is still on this list - he's a real go-to guy for this kind of thing. Phil Davis On 2/25/13 9:05 PM, Mitchell Duncan wrote: > Hi All, > > > > Can anyone direct me to a source for a good USB (HID) driver package for > windows that I could possible integrate into a LiveCode app? > > > > Or .. Is anyone using an already debugged Win USB HID driver in their own > LiveCode app? > > > > Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. > > > > Cheers, > > Mitchell > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Phil Davis From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 28 15:56:52 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:56:52 -0500 Subject: about resolution independence... Message-ID: <226175B2-94F7-4593-8BF1-DDD1D1C8F25E@verizon.net> I know quite a bit about showing content at a size that is different to the original document size, everything I make in Flash uses that ability, it lets me make a single file that works for all existing mobile screens. But, it would be easy for most people to not understand what resolution independence is, or what the benefits are. What it is not: Something that will automatically layout your interface, using different styled buttons, or different arrangements of controls. If you're doing an app that needs different layout for portrait and landscape, or different buttons for small screens compared to large screens, then that's more like the current geometry manager, plus some code logic. What it is: The ability to layout your app with a given aspect ratio, and then have that layout fill a device screen of the same ratio, even though the device is a different pixel size. For example, if you want to create an app that works for all iPads in landscape, you could layout the card as a size of 640x480, and that card would fill the 1024x768 iPad 1 & 2 screens, and the 2048x1536 iPad 3 Retina screen. If you wanted to design for iPhone, but couldn't bare working at 480x320, you could work at a comfortable 960x640 and have an app that is immediately correct for iPhone 4 Retina, and would still exactly fill an iPhone 3gs screen. Now, those are the simple cases for resolution independence, there are more exceptions to the above examples than there are cases that are so convenient. Suppose you want, as an obvious case, to support the full width of the iPhone 5 screen, as well as the iPad screen. You could have 960x720 of content, which would scale to exactly fill the iPad screen, and you would accept the fact that empty areas would appear on the iPhone 4 and even more empty space on the iPhone 5. That's not ideal though, so instead you might have extra content that extends beyond the left and right of the card window. On iPad you would never see that extra content, but on the other screens you would. To achieve that the resolution independence system would need to be able to place the card centered on the device screen, currently it's always at the top left of the device screen. Another solution to the problem is to allow the wider screen device to cut into the top and bottom of the card window. In that case you would have content near the edges that was not vital, and if it didn't appear on the iPhone 5 screen it wouldn't matter. There may also be cases where you want the card to remain at 100 percent size, but be centered on the screen, whatever size it is. Here are some examples of how all that resizing and aligning might look. In each one you will see some lines. The red lines represent the iPad ratio, the green lines are iPhone, and the blue liens are iPhone 5. Incidentally, this all applies to Android too, where the narrowest Android is the same as the iPad, and the widest is the same as the iPhone 5. Open the links and do window resizing to simulate different device screens. 1. Top left alignment, and no scaling. This is identical to how LiveCode works currently. You would have to do all layout management with code. Try resizing the window and you'll see that more content is revealed to the right and bottom: http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/rev/topleftnoscale.html 2. Centered, no scaling. I can't immediately think of a good usage case for this one, other than maybe you have a backdrop image that works better when its centered: http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/rev/noscale.html 3. Show all. In this one the content is resized to fill the window, and in doing so it makes sure that all of the card window's content is visible, doing that by revealing extra content area. In this case that extra area is empty, but it need not be: http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/rev/showall.html 4. No border. Again, the content is scaled to fill the window, but this time it's at a size that makes sure you don't see any empty areas. The content will be cropped on either the left and right, or the top and bottom, depending on how narrow you make the window: http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/rev/noborder.html 5. Exact fit. Here the card window is squished to exactly match the device screen. I can't think of ANY usage case for this! But, for completeness here it is: http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/rev/exactfit.html The scale modes I use the most are Show All and No Border. But then I mainly do graphical scenes, and not control filled utility applications. If you are doing those sorts of things you could use code to do the general layout for all aspect ratios, from 4:3 through to 16:9, and then let the Centered No Scale mode or Top Left No Scale modes take care of the different pixel dimensions. Please let me know if I need to go not more detail! From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 28 16:03:48 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:03:48 -0500 Subject: [OT] for anyone looking for a Mac expert writer... Message-ID: <2EE53C5D-7843-4A3D-8444-1C597B696A81@verizon.net> Ilene Hoffman is something of a legend in the Mac community, but even legends can sometimes be looking for work! That did at least mean she got back to me quickly over the last week, and helped to clinch some of the online reviews for the LiveCode Kickstarter campaign, most notably by bullying John Gruber for me! So, the very least I can do by way of thanks is to point you all to her resume page: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ilenehoffman From davidocoker at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 16:08:50 2013 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:08:50 -0600 Subject: Now that the kickstarter was such a huge success... In-Reply-To: <4F227D56-B467-4859-80D4-51206CB72C92@verizon.net> References: <4F227D56-B467-4859-80D4-51206CB72C92@verizon.net> Message-ID: > Given that there are only so many banks, and there were 3,342 backers, I wonder if the banks spotted a pattern? > More than a few banks (mine for sure) automatically flag International transactions, I think. ...it puts convenience into the toilet, but I for one am pleased with the extra security. Regards, David C. From devin_asay at byu.edu Thu Feb 28 16:36:03 2013 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 21:36:03 +0000 Subject: about resolution independence... In-Reply-To: <226175B2-94F7-4593-8BF1-DDD1D1C8F25E@verizon.net> References: <226175B2-94F7-4593-8BF1-DDD1D1C8F25E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0103EF26@Peas2.byu.local> Colin, This is a fantastic overview of the problem! Do you mind if I make these links available to my students? We are studying how to make mobile apps with LiveCode this semester, and the different resolutions are a major issue. Thanks for this. Regards, Devin On Feb 28, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > I know quite a bit about showing content at a size that is different to the original document size, everything I make in Flash uses that ability, it lets me make a single file that works for all existing mobile screens. But, it would be easy for most people to not understand what resolution independence is, or what the benefits are. > > What it is not: Something that will automatically layout your interface, using different styled buttons, or different arrangements of controls. If you're doing an app that needs different layout for portrait and landscape, or different buttons for small screens compared to large screens, then that's more like the current geometry manager, plus some code logic. > > What it is: The ability to layout your app with a given aspect ratio, and then have that layout fill a device screen of the same ratio, even though the device is a different pixel size. > > For example, if you want to create an app that works for all iPads in landscape, you could layout the card as a size of 640x480, and that card would fill the 1024x768 iPad 1 & 2 screens, and the 2048x1536 iPad 3 Retina screen. > > If you wanted to design for iPhone, but couldn't bare working at 480x320, you could work at a comfortable 960x640 and have an app that is immediately correct for iPhone 4 Retina, and would still exactly fill an iPhone 3gs screen. > > Now, those are the simple cases for resolution independence, there are more exceptions to the above examples than there are cases that are so convenient. > > Suppose you want, as an obvious case, to support the full width of the iPhone 5 screen, as well as the iPad screen. You could have 960x720 of content, which would scale to exactly fill the iPad screen, and you would accept the fact that empty areas would appear on the iPhone 4 and even more empty space on the iPhone 5. > > That's not ideal though, so instead you might have extra content that extends beyond the left and right of the card window. On iPad you would never see that extra content, but on the other screens you would. > > To achieve that the resolution independence system would need to be able to place the card centered on the device screen, currently it's always at the top left of the device screen. > > Another solution to the problem is to allow the wider screen device to cut into the top and bottom of the card window. In that case you would have content near the edges that was not vital, and if it didn't appear on the iPhone 5 screen it wouldn't matter. > > There may also be cases where you want the card to remain at 100 percent size, but be centered on the screen, whatever size it is. > > Here are some examples of how all that resizing and aligning might look. In each one you will see some lines. The red lines represent the iPad ratio, the green lines are iPhone, and the blue liens are iPhone 5. Incidentally, this all applies to Android too, where the narrowest Android is the same as the iPad, and the widest is the same as the iPhone 5. Open the links and do window resizing to simulate different device screens. > > 1. Top left alignment, and no scaling. This is identical to how LiveCode works currently. You would have to do all layout management with code. Try resizing the window and you'll see that more content is revealed to the right and bottom: > > http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/rev/topleftnoscale.html > > 2. Centered, no scaling. I can't immediately think of a good usage case for this one, other than maybe you have a backdrop image that works better when its centered: > > http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/rev/noscale.html > > 3. Show all. In this one the content is resized to fill the window, and in doing so it makes sure that all of the card window's content is visible, doing that by revealing extra content area. In this case that extra area is empty, but it need not be: > > http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/rev/showall.html > > 4. No border. Again, the content is scaled to fill the window, but this time it's at a size that makes sure you don't see any empty areas. The content will be cropped on either the left and right, or the top and bottom, depending on how narrow you make the window: > > http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/rev/noborder.html > > 5. Exact fit. Here the card window is squished to exactly match the device screen. I can't think of ANY usage case for this! But, for completeness here it is: > > http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/rev/exactfit.html > > The scale modes I use the most are Show All and No Border. But then I mainly do graphical scenes, and not control filled utility applications. If you are doing those sorts of things you could use code to do the general layout for all aspect ratios, from 4:3 through to 16:9, and then let the Centered No Scale mode or Top Left No Scale modes take care of the different pixel dimensions. > > Please let me know if I need to go not more detail! > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 28 16:36:19 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:36:19 -0800 Subject: about resolution independence... In-Reply-To: <226175B2-94F7-4593-8BF1-DDD1D1C8F25E@verizon.net> References: <226175B2-94F7-4593-8BF1-DDD1D1C8F25E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <512FCDD3.2010309@fourthworld.com> Colin Holgate wrote: > What it is not: Something that will automatically layout your > interface, using different styled buttons, or different arrangements > of controls. If you're doing an app that needs different layout for > portrait and landscape, or different buttons for small screens > compared to large screens, then that's more like the current geometry > manager, plus some code logic. > > What it is: The ability to layout your app with a given aspect ratio, > and then have that layout fill a device screen of the same ratio, > even though the device is a different pixel size. And what it could be: If this mechanism could be applied to groups as well as cards, we could use it to provide zoomable views for our users in all sorts of apps. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From coiin at verizon.net Thu Feb 28 16:40:17 2013 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:40:17 -0500 Subject: about resolution independence... In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0103EF26@Peas2.byu.local> References: <226175B2-94F7-4593-8BF1-DDD1D1C8F25E@verizon.net> <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1A0103EF26@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <0D19124C-6DB5-4F20-9F88-8EBFA78E77DF@verizon.net> Sure, and what I wrote too if it's of use. On Feb 28, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Devin Asay wrote: > This is a fantastic overview of the problem! Do you mind if I make these links available to my students? We are studying how to make mobile apps with LiveCode this semester, and the different resolutions are a major issue. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Feb 28 16:40:20 2013 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 08:40:20 +1100 Subject: about resolution independence... In-Reply-To: <512FCDD3.2010309@fourthworld.com> References: <226175B2-94F7-4593-8BF1-DDD1D1C8F25E@verizon.net> <512FCDD3.2010309@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On 01/03/2013, at 8:36 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > And what it could be: > > If this mechanism could be applied to groups as well as cards, we could use it to provide zoomable views for our users in all sorts of apps. Just as long as we are talking about rendering the objects at the correct scale rather than rendering the whole view and stretching it like we currently get on iPhone at retina. Cheers -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! From userev at canelasoftware.com Thu Feb 28 17:10:25 2013 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:10:25 -0800 Subject: Need good USB HID driver for LiveCode under Windows In-Reply-To: <512FB17A.3080804@pdslabs.net> References: <512FB17A.3080804@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: <8818FD64-9A5A-4941-B6E3-0C7B662EEB1F@canelasoftware.com> On Feb 28, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Phil Davis wrote: > Hi Mitchell, > > I maintain an app that uses WinUSB via an external to interact with an HID device. The device is a keyboard-like thing with backlighted keys that are turned on and off by the app using it. We hired Dar Scott to develop the external that interacts with WinUSB, and to write the LC libs that enable the app to interact with the external. I'm not aware of a generic solution for all HID devices, though I haven't really looked in a long time. > > I assume Dar is still on this list - he's a real go-to guy for this kind of thing. Dar has done a lot of work for us as well in the USB realm. He is so sharp, he not only created the driver for one of our USB products, but he created the USB product to go with the driver. Amazing! Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Feb 28 18:18:03 2013 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [OT] for anyone looking for a Mac expert writer... References: <2EE53C5D-7843-4A3D-8444-1C597B696A81@verizon.net> Message-ID: Colin Holgate writes: > > Ilene Hoffman is something of a legend in the Mac community, but even legends can sometimes be looking for > work! That did at least mean she got back to me quickly over the last week, and helped to clinch some of the > online reviews for the LiveCode Kickstarter campaign, most notably by bullying John Gruber for me! > > So, the very least I can do by way of thanks is to point you all to her resume page: > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/ilenehoffman And I can vouch for the fact that Ilene is technically savvy, has a long history in the community and can write a coherent and interesting piece on any given subject. You know you need that documentation/PR/whatever written and you want it done right... http://ilenesmachine.net/ -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Feb 28 19:18:39 2013 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:18:39 -0800 Subject: SoCal User Group meeting: March 7 in Pasadena Message-ID: <512FF3DF.4080800@fourthworld.com> The next SoCal LiveCode User Group meeting is coming up one week from today at 7PM in Pasadena - details in the LUG section of the LiveCode forums: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From dochawk at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 19:50:53 2013 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:50:53 -0800 Subject: Post-KickStarter LiveCode - security issue fix? In-Reply-To: References: <24C61DDA-6C67-47E4-B531-249659ECE52D@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:11 AM, stephen barncard < stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > um, wouldn't that render a just-in-time compiler based language useless? > > Yes, but if the choices is between plain-text source shipping for JIT and being pre-compiled, I'll take pre-compiled . . . As long as the text exists and can be manipulated, this hole will remain. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462