usableDesktop

Tue Apr 2 07:20:02 EDT 2013

Well, it's a bit more complicated: the effective screenrect alone doesn't work, it must be "the effective working screenrect"…
No equivalent options for the screenloc, just the plain one.

I tested what is available on my mac and got:

the screenRect: 0,0,1680,1050
the working screenRect: 0,22,1680,1002
the effective working screenRect: 0,22,1680,1002
the screnloc: 840,525
the working screenLoc: nada
the effective working screenLoc: nada again

Jacques

Le 2 avr. 2013 à 12:40, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> a écrit :

> That is a bit misleading:
> 
> 'effective' was introduced in version 1.0
> 
> 'effective screenLoc' was introduced in version 5.5.3
> 
> and where this leaves you 'effective screenRect' I just don't know.
> 
> now, in LC 4.5 if I write:
> 
> put the screenLoc I get a pair of numbers that tell me where on
> my desktop my stack's centre is . . .
> 
> I assume (???) that 'effective screenLoc', similarly, will present one
> with a pair of numbers that differ slightly.
> 
> Those 2 numbers, either way, will tell me bu**er all about whether I have
> screen furniture left, right, top or bottom, or how much my screen furniture
> obtrudes on the desktop.
> 
> If (using LC 4.5) I have a script like this:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put the screenRect & " - " & the screenLoc into fld "SKREEN"
> end mouseUp
> 
> I get a quad of comma delimited numbers (the 3rd and 4th being useful as they tell me the
> screenRect) followed by my dash, followed by a pair of comma delimited numbers telling me
> where my stack is centred.
> 
> Now . . .
> 
> IFF later versions of LC (pace 5.5.3) have BOTH 'effective screenRect' and 'effective screenLoc'
> that would be very useful
> 
> ---- pause for parenthetic bitchiness ----
> 
> I wonder why the 'userguide.pdf' available for download from the RunRev website has not
> been updated since 2010 ????
> 
> ---- end of pause ----
> 
> as one could use those 2 in tandem for all sorts of resizing and repositioning exercises.
> 
> I assume (???) that, on most computers, 'effective screenRect' will yield a smaller pair of 3rd and 4th numbers to 'screenRect',
> 
> and I assume (???) that 'effective screenLoc' will do likewise as it will count the bottom of any
> top-located startbar/taskbar/menubar/dock as the top of the 'effective screenRect', and so on
> with stuff along the sides and bottom of one's desktop.
> 
> I suppose, if one were very clever (???) by comparing 'screenLoc' and 'effective screenLoc' one could
> work out the difference in width and height of one's usable desktop versus one's actual desktop, but
> that would still NOT tell one if, for instance, one had a taskbar at the top and a taskbar at the bottom, or only one at one of the two locations.
>> 
>> I suppose it was first introduced for the version 5, without some subtleties for mobiles (I do not keep old docs) . So you have to wait for 6 more days …
> 
> Not really, as I would like to keep control of my program's code.
> 
> I will have to wait and see what gives with my projected Kickstarter campaign that is meant to run from
> 1 May to 1 June (attempting to raise about 5-6000 pounds); which, should it work would finance a shopping list that looks like this:
> 
> 1. Lifetime licence to Commercial Livecode.
> 
> 2. The ability to cut down my teaching duties at my EFL school to 1 day a week (rather than 4) for
> about 6 months so that I can get through my next 3 system development lifecycles in 6 months
> rather than 3-4 years.
> 
> ------ Relatively boring, non-coding stuff following; if you are only interested in coding stop
>         readong now. ------
> 
> I will, obviously, be interested (and about buckets more than just 'effective screenLoc') to get my sweaty paws on Open Source Livecode 6.0; and, although my pledge was not on the monster scale
> that some others generously gave, I do like to believe I have some stake in the thing.
> 
> However, I am well aware of the 'price' of using Open Source Livecode: that one cannot hide one's
> code, and, in fact, one has to make it available in such a way that anybody can run off with it,
> twiddle it about a bit, and start pumping it out as their own.
> 
> As such that does not fuss me for stuff like the EFL standalones I keep making for my school, as my
> income is based on my teaching and not on that software. In fact if one wants to be fairly crude,
> that EFL software is designed for 2 reasons:
> 
> 1. When the kids are using it Richmond gets enough time to pop out of the room and put the kettle
> on for a cup of tea.
> 
> 2. For some odd, inexplicable reason, kids focus far better on some fairly crappy, predictable grammar
> exercise when it is presented in "polychromic glory" on a computer screen than when it is printed out
> as a monochrome handout to be worked on with a pencil.
> 
> What DOES fuss me is that my 'Devawriter Pro' is not some sort of simplistic EFL squib pumped out
> on a spare afternoon, but a lovingly crafted thing that, so far, has taken me about 3 and a half years
> of my spare time, involving alot of thought, planning and all the other crap associated with developing serious software. And for that I feel I'd like the odd bit of financial recompense.
> 
> HOWEVER: if my Kickstarter campaign works (i.e. I raise the sum) I am wondering about releasing the
> finished product both FREE and Open Source, on the understanding that there will be no further
> work done on the thing subsequently. IFF I do decide to do that I will be able to continue development using the Open Source version.
> ------
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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