From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 03:50:05 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:50:05 +0200 Subject: LC Keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AE7C594@Peas2.byu.local> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AE7C594@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <509229AD.7050702@gmail.com> On 11/01/2012 12:45 AM, Devin Asay wrote: > Pete, > > A couple years ago I put one together from various sources. As far as I know it's still current (corrections gratefully accepted): > > http://livecode.byu.edu/helps/shortcuts.php > > HTH > > Devin > > > After 10 years :/ Thank you so much for such a useful resource. From benr_mc at cogapp.com Thu Nov 1 06:20:56 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 10:20:56 +0000 Subject: mobilePickMedia - is it possible to get the 'human' names of the media? Message-ID: <50924D08.3010200@cogapp.com> I can use iPhonePickMedia to ask the user to select some tracks - and get back, at least on iOS, some obscure URLs like: ipod-library://item/item.mp3?id=7520634390215469487 Is there any way to get the title or other data of the track? Or, going the other way, is there some way on the device to read through the installed tracks and/or playlists... and relate that to playable URLs? (I'm not trying to sneak behind the user's back, but to be able to set up playlists in my app, and show the user what they've got selected in a form that they can understand - if they have to remember that "7520634390215469487" is what they got when they selected Justin Bieber's new track, this won't be very helpful!) Thanks in advance for any suggestions, Ben From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Nov 1 06:25:24 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:25:24 +0100 Subject: mobilePickMedia - is it possible to get the 'human' names of the media? In-Reply-To: <50924D08.3010200@cogapp.com> References: <50924D08.3010200@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <846C6312-F5DE-45C6-9ACC-A6ADEF1588F5@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Ben, I don't know if LiveCode can do this by itself already, but I was working on an external that does this. I got pretty far with it. If you're interested, you can contact me off-list. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com On 1 nov 2012, at 11:20, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > I can use iPhonePickMedia to ask the user to select some tracks - and get back, at least on iOS, some obscure URLs like: > ipod-library://item/item.mp3?id=7520634390215469487 > > Is there any way to get the title or other data of the track? > > Or, going the other way, is there some way on the device to read through the installed tracks and/or playlists... and relate that to playable URLs? > > (I'm not trying to sneak behind the user's back, but to be able to set up playlists in my app, and show the user what they've got selected in a form that they can understand - if they have to remember that "7520634390215469487" is what they got when they selected Justin Bieber's new track, this won't be very helpful!) > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions, > > Ben From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Nov 1 06:38:19 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 21:38:19 +1100 Subject: mobilePickMedia - is it possible to get the 'human' names of the media? In-Reply-To: <50924D08.3010200@cogapp.com> References: <50924D08.3010200@cogapp.com> Message-ID: You want mergMP ;-) -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 01/11/2012, at 9:20 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > I can use iPhonePickMedia to ask the user to select some tracks - and get back, at least on iOS, some obscure URLs like: > ipod-library://item/item.mp3?id=7520634390215469487 > > Is there any way to get the title or other data of the track? > > Or, going the other way, is there some way on the device to read through the installed tracks and/or playlists... and relate that to playable URLs? > > (I'm not trying to sneak behind the user's back, but to be able to set up playlists in my app, and show the user what they've got selected in a form that they can understand - if they have to remember that "7520634390215469487" is what they got when they selected Justin Bieber's new track, this won't be very helpful!) > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions, > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From benr_mc at cogapp.com Thu Nov 1 07:26:31 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:26:31 +0000 Subject: mobilePickMedia - is it possible to get the 'human' names of the media? In-Reply-To: References: <50924D08.3010200@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <50925C67.6070400@cogapp.com> On 01/11/2012 10:38, Monte Goulding wrote: > You want mergMP ;-) Blimey - so I do! And fortunately, I have it. Now I just have to learn how to use it. Confession: I've bought the mergExt suite, but not until now attempted to use it - or any other attempt at using externals on iOS. What's the recommended practise to set up for using externals - where's a good place to put the files, etc? TIA, Ben From info at multimedial.de Thu Nov 1 07:49:47 2012 From: info at multimedial.de (Christophe Leske) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:49:47 +0100 Subject: developing for mobile devices Message-ID: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> Hello, I got a question related to mobile development using LiveCode... It seems to me as if mobile development has been "added" to LiveCode, since there are so many cludges and workarounds for mobile development. I got a lot of questions regarding the creation of UI elements, specifically on iOS. I am aware of MobileGUI, yet I am wondering how I am supposed to create a scrolling list with it? Am I really supposed to drag and drop the individual list entries of the table to the screen? And If so, how am I supposed to scroll the table and add more entries to it? Isn't this (and other mobile UI elements and how to call them) not explained somehere in a document? Is there not a specific mobile development PDF somewhere where I could read more about it? How do I do a picker wheel in LiveCode? And looking at all the mergExt: they seem to work by loading external packages to the final binary. So how am I supposed to test my app? Can I only test it on devices? See, the documentation on the mergExt website is very compact and deals only with commands which are available by the means of the extension - there is no word on how to use them other than to copy the kext file to the final app... Thanks in advance, -- Christophe Leske multimedial.de ---------------------------------------- www.multimedial.de - info at multimedial.de Hohler Strasse 17 - 51645 Gummersbach +49(0)2261-99824540 // +49(0)177-2497031 ---------------------------------------- From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Nov 1 07:58:47 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 22:58:47 +1100 Subject: mobilePickMedia - is it possible to get the 'human' names of the media? In-Reply-To: <50925C67.6070400@cogapp.com> References: <50924D08.3010200@cogapp.com> <50925C67.6070400@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <931D244C-FCC2-4F1C-A047-918B6187A706@sweattechnologies.com> Take a look at this to get you started: http://youtu.be/zFTsVu7_QOI -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 01/11/2012, at 10:26 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > Blimey - so I do! And fortunately, I have it. From lvhdgc7 at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 12:49:50 2012 From: lvhdgc7 at gmail.com (tbodine) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Any virus issues with 5.5.3 installer on Windows? In-Reply-To: <5090A403.3030201@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1351648859312-4656772.post@n4.nabble.com> <5090A403.3030201@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1351788590183-4656809.post@n4.nabble.com> Thanks. Curiously, when I tried the install again two days later and this time selected "ALL USERS", there were no alerts from Trend Micro. Previously, I had selected the install for just one user. ALL USERS installs in Program Files, but one user choice installs to Docs and Settings\user\Application Data\RunRev\Components So, either that made a difference, or RunRev did an update or Trend Micro adjusted their virus definitions in the last two days. -- Tom Bodine -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Any-virus-issues-with-5-5-3-installer-on-Windows-tp4656772p4656809.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lvhdgc7 at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 12:54:58 2012 From: lvhdgc7 at gmail.com (tbodine) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> Message-ID: <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> Chris, I'm finding Colin's book on LiveCode mobile dev. to be helpful. -- Tom Bodine -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/developing-for-mobile-devices-tp4656807p4656810.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pete at lcsql.com Thu Nov 1 12:58:27 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:58:27 -0700 Subject: Error Message Message-ID: If a runtime error happens in a script of an object that is password protected, I'm used to seeing the prompt for the stack password, which gives me some info about the line number the error occurred at. However, a customer has just sent me details of a runtime script error where there was no password prompt but instead an LC error dialog with the message "There was an error executing a script in stack xyz. No more information is available because the stack is password protected". I'm wondering if anyone knows why this message might be produced rather than the standard password prompt. Thanks, Pete lcSQL Software From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Nov 1 13:05:22 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 18:05:22 +0100 Subject: Error Message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76DBD316-C925-4F51-A94E-71E115601CE0@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Pete, Your customer has the script debug mode off. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 1 nov 2012, at 17:58, Peter Haworth wrote: > If a runtime error happens in a script of an object that is password > protected, I'm used to seeing the prompt for the stack password, which > gives me some info about the line number the error occurred at. > > However, a customer has just sent me details of a runtime script error > where there was no password prompt but instead an LC error dialog with the > message "There was an error executing a script in stack xyz. No more > information is available because the stack is password protected". > > I'm wondering if anyone knows why this message might be produced rather > than the standard password prompt. > > Thanks, > > Pete > lcSQL Software From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Thu Nov 1 13:11:59 2012 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:11:59 -0400 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: 1) It's "MobGUI" not "MobileGUI", in case someone is reading this thread later and is trying to figure out what we are talking about. 2) There are other tools as well for building mobile interfaces, such as tmControls (http://tmtools.tactilemedia.com/tmcontrol/index.html) 3) If you are referring to making a scrollable list of list buttons, no, you do not do it that way. You essentially create a scrolling group of list buttons, populate the list with only one button, then when you want to populate the list, you have your code create a button for each item. I believe there is a video tutorial on the MG website. If not I can walk you through it off-list. In tmC there is a similar technique. 4) MG has been neglected for the better part of 2012, but John claims that he is working on reviving it. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Thu Nov 1 13:11:59 2012 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:11:59 -0400 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: 1) It's "MobGUI" not "MobileGUI", in case someone is reading this thread later and is trying to figure out what we are talking about. 2) There are other tools as well for building mobile interfaces, such as tmControls (http://tmtools.tactilemedia.com/tmcontrol/index.html) 3) If you are referring to making a scrollable list of list buttons, no, you do not do it that way. You essentially create a scrolling group of list buttons, populate the list with only one button, then when you want to populate the list, you have your code create a button for each item. I believe there is a video tutorial on the MG website. If not I can walk you through it off-list. In tmC there is a similar technique. 4) MG has been neglected for the better part of 2012, but John claims that he is working on reviving it. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From coiin at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 13:47:56 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 13:47:56 -0400 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> That should read "all of 2012". I featured it in my book in a couple of places, but knew that there were no updates coming before I finished writing the book. So I added this note to one of the chapters: "LiveCode has, at the time of writing, been updated so that the features on Android match the features on iOS. Unfortunately, MobGUI has not been updated in the same way. The native browser control only works on iOS. It is to be hoped that MobGUI will be updated soon!" Christophe, when you get to chapters 4 and 5 you'll see I use pickers for presenting your own list of items, and for choosing dates and times. On Nov 1, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > >4) MG has been neglected for the better part of 2012, but John claims that > he is working on reviving it. From pete at lcsql.com Thu Nov 1 14:42:13 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:42:13 -0700 Subject: Error Message In-Reply-To: <76DBD316-C925-4F51-A94E-71E115601CE0@economy-x-talk.com> References: <76DBD316-C925-4F51-A94E-71E115601CE0@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark. Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi Pete, > > Your customer has the script debug mode off. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour > spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > > We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. > > > > On 1 nov 2012, at 17:58, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > If a runtime error happens in a script of an object that is password > > protected, I'm used to seeing the prompt for the stack password, which > > gives me some info about the line number the error occurred at. > > > > However, a customer has just sent me details of a runtime script error > > where there was no password prompt but instead an LC error dialog with > the > > message "There was an error executing a script in stack xyz. No more > > information is available because the stack is password protected". > > > > I'm wondering if anyone knows why this message might be produced rather > > than the standard password prompt. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From admin at FlexibleLearning.com Thu Nov 1 16:22:07 2012 From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 20:22:07 -0000 Subject: [UPDATE] Free 'Clearview' desktop clock v2.0 with Calendar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No plans to make this any more than a KISS Clock ('Keep It Sweet and Simple'). The thought in my mind has been 'There is no software that cannot be made unusable by improvements'. :) But thank you for your kind comments! www.FlexibleLearning.com/freeclock Hugh Senior FLCo > Hi Hugh, > > Wonderful clock! Would you make it programmable? > > For example: > > - Flag Icons to show the hour in different countries > (Really useful in these internet days) > - Chronometer > - Events Alarms programmable > - Plugins for other custom functions > > Many Thanks again, for sharing this useful Desktop Clock! > > Alejandro From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Thu Nov 1 19:55:51 2012 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 00:55:51 +0100 Subject: created Android app cannot be installed on real device, Testing on that device works Message-ID: Hi, i created an App for Android, which i can test on my device using the test function of LiveCode. No problem. But i am not able to install the created standalone apk on tje phone, although it works on that phone from within Livecode. Of course i uninstalled the test version before trying to install the final version onto that phone. I uploaded the app onto a webserver and i am able to donwload the apk, but if i confirm the installation i get the message that the app could not be installed. Anything i am missing here? Could it be that i have entered wrong settings in the standalonebuilder? My settings are Label: appname identifier: tk.rebbe.appname Icon: iconfile.png no Splash screen, btw is it correct that splash screens are only supported in personal and education licenses? Signing: Do not sign Install location: Allow external Storage Minimum Android Version: 2.2 Application Permssion: Internet, FineLocation, CoarsLocation All other not mentioned fields are default or empty. Does anyone have an idea? Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- "Life is too short for boring code" From info at multimedial.de Thu Nov 1 20:10:22 2012 From: info at multimedial.de (info at multimedial.de) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 01:10:22 +0100 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> Hi Colin I finished your book,and I learned how to invoke the controls. It is just that this all seems so inconsistent,one control is done like this,and the other one is invoked like that... Plus,I am missing a lot of little additional controls (how do you do a spinner on iOS,that waiting cursor thingie? Or how do you add images to list items? Is there a way to get the information icon,that little circle with an i in it? Etc.etc.) Freundliche Gr??e, Christophe Leske multimedial.de PROFILE: www.linkedin.com/in/multimedial ------------------------------------------ www.multimedial.de - info at multimedial.de Vogteistrasse 19 - 51647 Gummersbach +49(0)2261-99824540 // +49(0)177-2497031 Am 01.11.2012 um 18:47 schrieb Colin Holgate : > That should read "all of 2012". I featured it in my book in a couple of places, but knew that there were no updates coming before I finished writing the book. So I added this note to one of the chapters: > > "LiveCode has, at the time of writing, been updated so that the features on Android match the features on iOS. Unfortunately, MobGUI has not been updated in the same way. The native browser control only works on iOS. It is to be hoped that MobGUI will be updated soon!" > Christophe, when you get to chapters 4 and 5 you'll see I use pickers for presenting your own list of items, and for choosing dates and times. > > > > On Nov 1, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > >>> 4) MG has been neglected for the better part of 2012, but John claims that >> he is working on reviving it. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Nov 1 20:12:29 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 01:12:29 +0100 Subject: created Android app cannot be installed on real device, Testing on that device works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84695B31-5436-4717-A8AD-1A7479585A0F@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Matthias, Do you allow for installation of apps from unknown sources on your phone? (This is an option in the Apps settings the general settings of your device). This option must be active to be able to install unsigned apps. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 2 nov 2012, at 00:55, Matthias Rebbe wrote: > Hi, > > i created an App for Android, which i can test on my device using the test function of LiveCode. No problem. > > But i am not able to install the created standalone apk on tje phone, although it works on that phone from within Livecode. > Of course i uninstalled the test version before trying to install the final version onto that phone. > > I uploaded the app onto a webserver and i am able to donwload the apk, but if i confirm the installation i get the message that the app could not be installed. > > Anything i am missing here? Could it be that i have entered wrong settings in the standalonebuilder? > > My settings are > Label: appname > identifier: tk.rebbe.appname > Icon: iconfile.png > no Splash screen, btw is it correct that splash screens are only supported in personal and education licenses? > Signing: Do not sign > Install location: Allow external Storage > Minimum Android Version: 2.2 > Application Permssion: Internet, FineLocation, CoarsLocation > > All other not mentioned fields are default or empty. > > Does anyone have an idea? > > Regards, > > Matthias > > -- > Matthias Rebbe > matthias (at) rebbe.tk > Tel +49.5741.310000 > Tel +49.160.5504462 > -- > "Life is too short for boring code" > From coiin at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 20:16:06 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:16:06 -0400 Subject: created Android app cannot be installed on real device, Testing on that device works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6A5478CB-8FCB-4CA9-B094-C7B66D453EB6@verizon.net> You will get exactly the symptoms you describe if you install an app with the same ID but that has had its certificate changed. It could be that the certificate persists, and the system knows that the ID is already associated with a certificate that it has. But also, if you're not using a certificate, I wonder what happens if there is already an app installed that also doesn't have a certificate? If you do a Google search of 'android deleting old certificates' you'll see lots of questions about removing old trusted certificates. Might be worth checking out. From coiin at verizon.net Thu Nov 1 20:18:45 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:18:45 -0400 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> Message-ID: Well, these are early days still. A lot of the inconsistencies are where you either have to simulate the native appearance using LiveCode controls and tricks, or you talk to the OS and get native controls. Eventually they will probably allow access to all of the native controls. When do you have to write your book review by? Will it just appear in Germany? From dev at digifilm.com Thu Nov 1 22:30:23 2012 From: dev at digifilm.com (Debdoot Das) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 22:30:23 -0400 Subject: Bug in 5.5.3: creating universal arm failed with lipo In-Reply-To: References: <0A9D1E8A-B364-4989-B3AB-4D14A79C78E4@economy-x-talk.com> <50904E7F.4030203@fourthworld.com> <7B9917E1-3B06-4576-A620-6B56A03AA2BF@economy-x-talk.com> <509052DB.2070002@fourthworld.com> <1351642416958-4656771.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <71035F5E-7E62-4C0F-9FD5-79197FD3ACFA@digifilm.com> Hi, I am getting an error when I try to compile with 5.5.3 but not with 5.5.2. It says "creating universal arm failed with lipo livecode:" plus can't find file etc. Any ideas Cheers, Debdoot From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Nov 2 02:16:06 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:16:06 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E28A607-DBBF-4771-AF5F-28FA10ACAEFB@sweattechnologies.com> I'm very happy to announce that the first person has put some funding into this external. After some discussions I have decided to offer 50% discount on the external (or 20% on the iOS suite) if the funding is $10 or more. Let's make this happen. On 01/11/2012, at 11:11 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Hi All > > I have been asked by a couple of people to put up a crowd funding page for a Game Center external. If you would like to contribute to it's development then there's more info at http://mergext.com/fund/ > > You can contribute as little or as much as you like. There's no benefits for funding other than a nice feeling and the opportunity to purchase and use the external when complete. Once released the purchase price is likely to be $49 or included in the $299 iOS suite. As I don't write games this external will probably not be released unless there is some funding for it's development. I think it would be a good one for the LiveCode community to have access to given the Game Academy etc and also the higher profile/extra store it gives your apps. > > If the external receives the community support it needs to get off the ground I hope to eventually implement it for both iOS and OS X but the initial target will be iOS. > > Cheers > > Monte > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Nov 2 02:48:07 2012 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 23:48:07 -0700 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: <5E28A607-DBBF-4771-AF5F-28FA10ACAEFB@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: That's a great deal Monte, thanks for offering this. I've contributed to Monte's effort -- Game Center interaction is almost a requirement for iOS games these days. Am hoping other folks get on board too. Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 11/1/12 11:16 PM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: >I'm very happy to announce that the first person has put some funding >into this external. After some discussions I have decided to offer 50% >discount on the external (or 20% on the iOS suite) if the funding is $10 >or more. Let's make this happen. > >On 01/11/2012, at 11:11 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> I have been asked by a couple of people to put up a crowd funding page >>for a Game Center external. If you would like to contribute to it's >>development then there's more info at http://mergext.com/fund/ >> >> You can contribute as little or as much as you like. There's no >>benefits for funding other than a nice feeling and the opportunity to >>purchase and use the external when complete. Once released the purchase >>price is likely to be $49 or included in the $299 iOS suite. As I don't >>write games this external will probably not be released unless there is >>some funding for it's development. I think it would be a good one for >>the LiveCode community to have access to given the Game Academy etc and >>also the higher profile/extra store it gives your apps. >> >> If the external receives the community support it needs to get off the >>ground I hope to eventually implement it for both iOS and OS X but the >>initial target will be iOS. >> >> Cheers >> >> Monte >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >-- >M E R Goulding >Software development services >Bespoke application development for vertical markets > >mergExt - There's an external for that! > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Fri Nov 2 07:26:24 2012 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 12:26:24 +0100 Subject: created Android app cannot be installed on real device, Testing on that device works In-Reply-To: <6A5478CB-8FCB-4CA9-B094-C7B66D453EB6@verizon.net> References: <6A5478CB-8FCB-4CA9-B094-C7B66D453EB6@verizon.net> Message-ID: Thanks Mark and Colin. @Mark: Yes it is enabled. @Colin: I googled a little bit, but was not so successful with that. But your posting made me remember your book. I remembered reading in there something about the Keytool-Application for Android some weeks ago. I was not interested in that stuff at that time, because i did not plan to release an Android app. But now it was the right information at the right time. I created a keystore according to your explanations in your book and "et Voil?" i was able to install the apk w/o problems. Your book is worth every penny ! ! ! Thanks a lot. Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- "Life is too short for boring code" Am 02.11.2012 um 01:16 schrieb Colin Holgate : > You will get exactly the symptoms you describe if you install an app with the same ID but that has had its certificate changed. It could be that the certificate persists, and the system knows that the ID is already associated with a certificate that it has. But also, if you're not using a certificate, I wonder what happens if there is already an app installed that also doesn't have a certificate? > > If you do a Google search of 'android deleting old certificates' you'll see lots of questions about removing old trusted certificates. Might be worth checking out. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From info at multimedial.de Fri Nov 2 07:53:43 2012 From: info at multimedial.de (Christophe Leske) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:53:43 +0100 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> Message-ID: <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> Am 02.11.2012 01:18, schrieb Colin Holgate: > Well, these are early days still. A lot of the inconsistencies are where you either have to simulate the native appearance using LiveCode controls and tricks, or you talk to the OS and get native controls. Eventually they will probably allow access to all of the native controls. Ok, so what I am now after would be ideally a table with all available UI elements on iOS (by iOS version number), and how to invoke these (if possible) in LC. Is there such thing? If not, should we build one (by "we" I mean people on this list). I can do the "building" part (putting together the table - screenshots of the elements and how to get them), but I definetely would need help for the programming part of things, as I don't know how to invoke these. When you debug your iOS applications - do you do this mainly in LC itself, in the iOS simulator, or the real physical device? > When do you have to write your book review by? Will it just appear in Germany? There was no timeframe. I am done with it though, and wanted to write the review this weekend. The book itself is pretty complete (for its compact amount of pages), and well structured. It is however not aimed at the absolute beginner. It does give you a good overview on how to get a testing and debugging enivronment set up, but no in-depth introduction to LiveCode and which commands are generally available, and then available or useable on iOS/Android. It is a head first introduction to mobile development. It is definetely better than no book at all, but left me (a beginner in LC) with a lot of questions (namely on how to invoke all the other UI elements in iOS not mentioned in the text, and how to configure them). I will contact Kraig - my understanding was that I am supposed to write the review and hand it to him? And/or eventually publish it on Amazon. I would give it a 4 out of 5 stars - the structure of it is excellent (step by step instructions, general layout structure for each chapter, screenshots, lots of additional links, etc), yet there could be a bit more information and content in it... :-) I could have read on after the last chapter about more advanced techniques like XML parsing for instance, or database connectivity, or network testing, or scrolling content panes... But this is more related to custom extensions (and how to work with them) instead of LC itself, i give you that. Then again, this is how mobile development works for the time being, and therefore should be part of the book. To put it otherwise: the book teaches you about the "how" part of mobile development "know-how", yet not (enough) about the "know" part of it. MobGUI is mentioned, as well as mergExt, yet not how to work with the most important ones of these... One of the main disappointments after having bought my LC license was indeed to learn, that for most of the parts I am NOT invoking original UI widgets, but am mostly "recreating" them from identically looking graphics - this complicates if not prohibits the creation of multi-language applications. Also, no word on how to create unified apps for the iPhone and iPad (by the way, any info on that available somehwere? I reckon it needs at least two main stacks for the different screen sizes and layouts?). And finally: if you add an lcext to your project, won't LiveCode complain about new command words it cannot understand that you put into the code in order to invoke the functions in the extensions? I am an old time Director user, and Lingo would always complain if it would encounter a command in lingo it couldn't figure out. Long post, I know, but I must go for the rest of the day, -- Christophe Leske multimedial.de ---------------------------------------- PROFILE: www.linkedin.com/in/multimedial ---------------------------------------- www.multimedial.de - info at multimedial.de Hohler Str. 17 - 51645 Gummersbach +49(0)2261-99824540 // +49(0)177-2497031 ---------------------------------------- From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch Fri Nov 2 08:29:41 2012 From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 13:29:41 +0100 Subject: Send a message when the mouse hilites text on an option menu, possible ? Message-ID: <2CC4AB8F-1962-4FE7-B07D-B525B4F56314@id.uzh.ch> I have an option menu with say 3 entries. When I click the onto the option menu, I can see all 3. When I hover up and down, the one which I am over is hilited. Is it possible to do something with this hilite ? I like to show some additional info about the hilited position. In my case the 3 entries are filepathes and when I am over the hilite I would like to display for example the first line of that file in a field. Cheers Rolf From skip at magicgate.com Fri Nov 2 09:19:52 2012 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:19:52 -0400 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> Message-ID: Christophe, First and foremost, welcome to LiveCode and to this list. It is welcoming to see some familiar names from the Director community! Let me say that from a previous Director advocate, I totally understand your frustration and sense of confusion. LC has sooooo many things going for it and I have fully endorsed it as my development tool. I do quite a bit of desktop application / database product development and LiveCode has filled the gap that Director failed me. As an added bonus, the ability to also produce cross platform mobile apps, to me, is an added bonus. A HUGE bonus! Having said that, I have spent so much time researching items, techniques and procedures, like you have indicated in your email that it becomes very frustrating at times. The good thing about Director is that there was quite a bit of printed material and documentation out there that it was very easy to get around and find what you were looking for. I wish there were more books out there like Colin's and books that covered different skill levels. Heck, I just wish the LC dictionary would be provided in PDF file so we could print it out. With Director I made it a habit to read through their dictionary every couple of months to inspire new ideas and concepts and to make sure that I was getting the most out of my product. This list is a very good resource for you and your questions. Everybody seems to be very helpful and knowledgeable in different aspects of LC development. By the way, I like your idea: > Ok, so what I am now after would be ideally a table with all available UI > elements on iOS (by iOS version number), and how to invoke these (if > possible) in LC. SKIP KIMPEL Magicgate Software On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Christophe Leske wrote: > Am 02.11.2012 01:18, schrieb Colin Holgate: >> >> Well, these are early days still. A lot of the inconsistencies are where >> you either have to simulate the native appearance using LiveCode controls >> and tricks, or you talk to the OS and get native controls. Eventually they >> will probably allow access to all of the native controls. > > > Ok, so what I am now after would be ideally a table with all available UI > elements on iOS (by iOS version number), and how to invoke these (if > possible) in LC. > > Is there such thing? If not, should we build one (by "we" I mean people on > this list). > > I can do the "building" part (putting together the table - screenshots of > the elements and how to get them), but I definetely would need help for the > programming part of things, as I don't know how to invoke these. > > When you debug your iOS applications - do you do this mainly in LC itself, > in the iOS simulator, or the real physical device? > > >> When do you have to write your book review by? Will it just appear in >> Germany? > > There was no timeframe. I am done with it though, and wanted to write the > review this weekend. > > The book itself is pretty complete (for its compact amount of pages), and > well structured. > It is however not aimed at the absolute beginner. It does give you a good > overview on how to get a testing and debugging enivronment set up, but no > in-depth introduction to LiveCode and which commands are generally > available, and then available or useable on iOS/Android. > > It is a head first introduction to mobile development. It is definetely > better than no book at all, but left me (a beginner in LC) with a lot of > questions (namely on how to invoke all the other UI elements in iOS not > mentioned in the text, and how to configure them). > > I will contact Kraig - my understanding was that I am supposed to write the > review and hand it to him? And/or eventually publish it on Amazon. > > I would give it a 4 out of 5 stars - the structure of it is excellent (step > by step instructions, general layout structure for each chapter, > screenshots, lots of additional links, etc), yet there could be a bit more > information and content in it... :-) > > I could have read on after the last chapter about more advanced techniques > like XML parsing for instance, or database connectivity, or network testing, > or scrolling content panes... > > But this is more related to custom extensions (and how to work with them) > instead of LC itself, i give you that. Then again, this is how mobile > development works for the time being, and therefore should be part of the > book. > > To put it otherwise: > the book teaches you about the "how" part of mobile development "know-how", > yet not (enough) about the "know" part of it. MobGUI is mentioned, as well > as mergExt, yet not how to work with the most important ones of these... > > One of the main disappointments after having bought my LC license was indeed > to learn, that for most of the parts I am NOT invoking original UI widgets, > but am mostly "recreating" them from identically looking graphics - this > complicates if not prohibits the creation of multi-language applications. > > Also, no word on how to create unified apps for the iPhone and iPad (by the > way, any info on that available somehwere? I reckon it needs at least two > main stacks for the different screen sizes and layouts?). > > And finally: > if you add an lcext to your project, won't LiveCode complain about new > command words it cannot understand that you put into the code in order to > invoke the functions in the extensions? I am an old time Director user, and > Lingo would always complain if it would encounter a command in lingo it > couldn't figure out. > > Long post, I know, but I must go for the rest of the day, > > -- > Christophe Leske > multimedial.de > > ---------------------------------------- > PROFILE: www.linkedin.com/in/multimedial > ---------------------------------------- > www.multimedial.de - info at multimedial.de > Hohler Str. 17 - 51645 Gummersbach > +49(0)2261-99824540 // +49(0)177-2497031 > ---------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From benr_mc at cogapp.com Fri Nov 2 09:14:15 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:14:15 +0000 Subject: Access files in dropbox on mobile Message-ID: <5093C727.3070709@cogapp.com> Is there any way to access the files in a user's dropbox on iOS or Android? I see that Monte's awesome external allows my app to download files directly from a user's dropbox account to my app's local storage - but if a user has the standard Dropbox app on their device, and has files downloaded in that, is there a way to access those rather than duplicating the data? I'm guessing not, but thought I should ask... thanks, Ben From coiin at verizon.net Fri Nov 2 09:24:43 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 09:24:43 -0400 Subject: created Android app cannot be installed on real device, Testing on that device works In-Reply-To: References: <6A5478CB-8FCB-4CA9-B094-C7B66D453EB6@verizon.net> Message-ID: Thanks for that! In addition to trying to include some interesting examples to follow, I had to include a good chunk of dull information, much of which took some time to track down. I don't remember it all either, and have used my own book a few times to find answers to issues that come up. The keystore part is one of the more ugly aspects of Android development in LC, I wish they could make it as easy as it is in Flash. > @Colin: I googled a little bit, but was not so successful with that. > But your posting made me remember your book. I remembered reading in there something about the Keytool-Application for Android some weeks ago. I was not interested in that stuff at that time, because > i did not plan to release an Android app. But now it was the right information at the right time. > > I created a keystore according to your explanations in your book and "et Voil?" i was able to install the apk w/o problems. > > Your book is worth every penny ! ! ! Thanks a lot. > > Regards, > > Matthias From janschenkel at yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 09:41:01 2012 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 06:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Send a message when the mouse hilites text on an option menu, possible ? In-Reply-To: <2CC4AB8F-1962-4FE7-B07D-B525B4F56314@id.uzh.ch> References: <2CC4AB8F-1962-4FE7-B07D-B525B4F56314@id.uzh.ch> Message-ID: <1351863661.86993.YahooMailNeo@web141102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Rolf, There is no engine message that you can trap when you're using the standard option menu. If you use a menu stack instead, then you can trap mouseEnter and mouseLeave messages as they are sent to the menu item buttons, and show extra information (either within the menu stacvk or by means of a separate palette or modeless stack). The downside of this approach is that: - you would have to script the menu stack to take into account variable choice lists - your menu won't look like a standard menu unless you spend quite some time to make it look 'right' HTH, Jan Schenkel. ? ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ----- Original Message ----- From: Rolf Kocherhans To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Cc: Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:29 PM Subject: Send a message when the mouse hilites text on an option menu, possible ? I have an option menu with say 3 entries. When I click the onto the option menu, I can see all 3. When I hover up and down, the one which I am over is hilited. Is it possible to do something with this hilite ? I like to show some additional info about the hilited position. In my case the 3 entries are filepathes and when I am over the hilite I would like to display for example the first line of that file in a field. Cheers Rolf _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Fri Nov 2 10:01:20 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:01:20 -0400 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> Message-ID: <2C4A8680-BB98-4A92-80C0-22FE9A70EBFD@verizon.net> The Help menu has entries for iOS Release Notes and Android Release Notes. Those two have a list of the mobile features you can use, along with example syntax. You can then look in the Dictionary for entries such as mobileCreateControl, where you see a list of the controls that can be made: controlType - The type of control to create from among the following. browser - Native iOS or Android web browser control scroller - Native iOS or Android scroller control player - Native iOS or Android player control input - Native iOS or Android text input control multiline - Native iOS or Android multi-line text control That doesn't cover all the native things you can invoke, like for example the pickers are native, yet you don't have to do the creating of the control yourself. But those other things are also written about in the release notes and the dictionary. About the book, yes, it is meant for people who already know LiveCode and want to know more about mobile development. I did add in the unrequested first chapter, to try to get other people an insight to how LiveCode works, but I had to leave it at that, and hope that people would follow the links to lessons.livecode.com that I put in there. From info at multimedial.de Fri Nov 2 10:12:08 2012 From: info at multimedial.de (Christophe Leske) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:12:08 +0100 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <2C4A8680-BB98-4A92-80C0-22FE9A70EBFD@verizon.net> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <2C4A8680-BB98-4A92-80C0-22FE9A70EBFD@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5093D4B8.2010608@multimedial.de> Am 02.11.2012 15:01, schrieb Colin Holgate: > The Help menu has entries for iOS Release Notes and Android Release Notes. Those two have a list of the mobile features you can use, along with example syntax. You can then look in the Dictionary for entries such as mobileCreateControl, where you see a list of the controls that can be made: Hi, what is even more confusing is that there are native iOS controls, PLUS the native LC "motif" controls (which I have never seen on iOS before, although they must have been there all the time since iOS is based on Unix). Thanks for the list, but this isn't extensive, right? Sorry, but I got lots of questions related to these as well. For instance, I wanted to create a multi-line label field for my app (some explaination texts). I got at least three different options (which, btw, do all work on iOS, in the sense that they produce a readable text): - a standard LC label taken from the tool palette - a MobGUI Label field (which doesn't seem to offer support for multiline text? Also, I want a translucent background...) - a MobGUI multiline Field (which however, does not get destroyed when I "switch" between cards. There is this option for "auto destroying" the field, but it does not seem to do any difference to me? I am really missing more elaborate documentation on the MobGUI elements - this is the only page i got so far http://mobgui.com/docs.php and it is not very detailled... but at least it provides the properties one can set by scripting. > About the book, yes, it is meant for people who already know LiveCode and want to know more about mobile development. I did add in the unrequested first chapter, to try to get other people an insight to how LiveCode works, but I had to leave it at that, and hope that people would follow the links to lessons.livecode.com that I put in there. Hu? Why would want someone to cut content from an electronic publication? I mean, it doesn't cost them anything to add more pages to it? -- Christophe Leske multimedial.de ---------------------------------------- PROFILE: www.linkedin.com/in/multimedial ---------------------------------------- www.multimedial.de - info at multimedial.de Hohler Str. 17 - 51645 Gummersbach +49(0)2261-99824540 // +49(0)177-2497031 ---------------------------------------- From coiin at verizon.net Fri Nov 2 10:22:51 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:22:51 -0400 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <5093D4B8.2010608@multimedial.de> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <2C4A8680-BB98-4A92-80C0-22FE9A70EBFD@verizon.net> <5093D4B8.2010608@multimedial.de> Message-ID: <1415AF58-F9D4-4A90-8832-25350E5C9123@verizon.net> It took seven months to write the book, if I had been asked to write extra chapters that were beyond the scope of the book (like, general LiveCode beginner chapters), I doubt if I would have wanted to! Some others here were writing books too. Not sure how those are coming along. On Nov 2, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Christophe Leske wrote: > >Hu? Why would want someone to cut content from an electronic publication? I mean, it doesn't cost them anything to add more pages to it? From th.douez at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 10:37:19 2012 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 15:37:19 +0100 Subject: Help! PlayCommand Agent X In-Reply-To: <3EE6EBCD-CA5C-4DC2-95A1-E3786EF91837@ucls.uchicago.edu> References: <3EE6EBCD-CA5C-4DC2-95A1-E3786EF91837@ucls.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: Hi, > If somebody would rewrite shakobox to use sunnYmidi, > so that we could still use the sbPlay command, my students could still use it. > Thanks again for any suggestions! Jacque Landman-Gay, the creator of shakobox, did an update on her site: http://www.hyperactivesw.com/resources_shakobox.html Have a look at it. It might be the answer to your request. HTH, Thierry From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com Fri Nov 2 11:14:14 2012 From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 08:14:14 -0700 Subject: [UPDATE] Free 'Clearview' desktop clock v2.0 with Calendar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: on October 31, 2012 at 9:03 AM -0700 wrote: >Now adjusted to automatically roll over at midnight (v2.0.1)... It rolled over fine from Oct 31 to Nov1, but not from Nov1 - Nov 2 See image https://www.dropbox.com/sh/49c9nv13305k1yu/ycvtbYXaZ2#f:DigitalClock.jpg Stewart From lvhdgc7 at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 12:41:31 2012 From: lvhdgc7 at gmail.com (tbodine) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> Message-ID: <1351874491805-4656837.post@n4.nabble.com> Yep, there were tons of useful Director / Lingo books. I used to buy several per year. It was a great way to jumpstart projects and find detailed instruction that fit your learning level. I really missed having such books to get up to speed on LiveCode. I find the LiveCode resources are piecemeal and scattered, so learning is a constant effort of searching and sifting. (On the plus side, this list fills in nicely for Direct-L.) >Heck, I just wish the LC dictionary >would be provided in PDF file so we could print it out. Is it just me, or is the built-in search feature of the LC dictionary quite bad? (Example: search "array" and you get just 2 results, neither of which tells you how to create or work with an array.) Anyway, glad to see other Director refugees made it here. -- Tom Bodine -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/developing-for-mobile-devices-tp4656807p4656837.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From benr_mc at cogapp.com Fri Nov 2 12:54:32 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:54:32 +0000 Subject: iOS (and Android) - register to open certain file-types? Message-ID: <5093FAC8.8030902@cogapp.com> Is there a way (on iOS, on Android) to register my LiveCode-built mobile app as capable of opening certain file types? I understand about custom URL schemes; but this is about files, which might be downloaded from a browser, but might also be opened from utilities like Dropbox, Box, or Evernote. Is this posssible? TIA, Ben From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Nov 2 13:04:12 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:04:12 -0700 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <1351874491805-4656837.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1351874491805-4656837.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5093FD0C.4080503@fourthworld.com> tbodine wrote: >>Heck, I just wish the LC dictionary >>would be provided in PDF file so we could print it out. > > Is it just me, or is the built-in search feature of the LC dictionary quite > bad? (Example: search "array" and you get just 2 results, neither of which > tells you how to create or work with an array.) I find the See Also section very valuable. For example, the See Also sections for the two tokens that show up when searching for "array" include: arrayEncode Function, URLDecode Function arrayDecode Function keys Function [] Keyword write to socket Command As a quick reference for syntax it's not so bad when you take advantage of the hyperlinking to related topics. Should ideally also include pointers to split and combine, but both of those (and many more) are in the See Also links for the keys token and others. For more in-depth discussion, the User Guide yields 23 pages of results when searching for "array", including good discussion of basic usage, the split and combine commands, using array syntax for working custom properties, and more. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From info at multimedial.de Fri Nov 2 13:02:46 2012 From: info at multimedial.de (info at multimedial.de) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 18:02:46 +0100 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <1351874491805-4656837.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <1351874491805-4656837.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <6EDFD8FE-ADC2-4A9C-B1A3-3E1D20F9B219@multimedial.de> Am I the only one who wants dot syntax and short assigments like myVariable = field("foo").text instead of the verbose syntax? I understand that this stems from the fact that LC is really so similar to Director. LC is what Director should have been for mobile development... But then,didn't runrev try to achieve this similarity on purpose? I want my dot syntax back! :-) Honk if you want dot syntax! Freundliche Gr??e, Christophe Leske multimedial.de PROFILE: www.linkedin.com/in/multimedial ------------------------------------------ www.multimedial.de - info at multimedial.de Vogteistrasse 19 - 51647 Gummersbach +49(0)2261-99824540 // +49(0)177-2497031 Am 02.11.2012 um 17:41 schrieb tbodine : > Yep, there were tons of useful Director / Lingo books. I used to buy several > per year. It was a great way to jumpstart projects and find detailed > instruction that fit your learning level. I really missed having such books > to get up to speed on LiveCode. I find the LiveCode resources are piecemeal > and scattered, so learning is a constant effort of searching and sifting. > (On the plus side, this list fills in nicely for Direct-L.) > >> Heck, I just wish the LC dictionary >> would be provided in PDF file so we could print it out. > > Is it just me, or is the built-in search feature of the LC dictionary quite > bad? (Example: search "array" and you get just 2 results, neither of which > tells you how to create or work with an array.) > > Anyway, glad to see other Director refugees made it here. > > -- Tom Bodine > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/developing-for-mobile-devices-tp4656807p4656837.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Nov 2 13:17:06 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:17:06 -0700 Subject: iOS (and Android) - register to open certain file-types? In-Reply-To: <5093FAC8.8030902@cogapp.com> References: <5093FAC8.8030902@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <50940012.4060209@fourthworld.com> Ben Rubinstein wrote: > Is there a way (on iOS, on Android) to register my LiveCode-built mobile app > as capable of opening certain file types? I understand about custom URL > schemes; but this is about files, which might be downloaded from a browser, > but might also be opened from utilities like Dropbox, Box, or Evernote. I believe you'll find what you're looking for in the Android Release Notes, starting on p44 in the section titled "Custom URL schemes". Further details at the Android dev site: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From info at multimedial.de Fri Nov 2 13:22:58 2012 From: info at multimedial.de (info at multimedial.de) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 18:22:58 +0100 Subject: Transitions Message-ID: While we are at it: Let's talk about transistions between cards/stacks. I am after all the original iOS screen transistions like push left and push right etc. Despite the example inserted in some of the mobGUI example code, i still haven't figured out the correct steps to do this. Do I need to lock the screen before doing a transition and then unlock again? Is there no shorter,quicker way? Like Go card "newScreen" with visual effect "push left very fast" (That last "very fast" part always cracks me up - quick,hurry up with that transition! Apparently there is also no difference when you leave that part out...) I tried several variations of this but some of the mobGUI elements stayed on the screen (like in direct-to-screen mode in Director) or it didn't work at all. Also. IOS provides so-called "modal" windows which are shown using top-down animations or modal dialogs which come up from bottom to top... I guess there is no such thing to be done in LC,right? Freundliche Gr??e, Christophe Leske multimedial.de PROFILE: www.linkedin.com/in/multimedial ------------------------------------------ www.multimedial.de - info at multimedial.de Vogteistrasse 19 - 51647 Gummersbach +49(0)2261-99824540 // +49(0)177-2497031 From benr_mc at cogapp.com Fri Nov 2 13:15:15 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:15:15 +0000 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <1351874491805-4656837.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <1351874491805-4656837.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5093FFA3.1000000@cogapp.com> On 02/11/2012 16:41, tbodine wrote: >> Heck, I just wish the LC dictionary >> would be provided in PDF file so we could print it out. > > Is it just me, or is the built-in search feature of the LC dictionary quite > bad? (Example: search "array" and you get just 2 results, neither of which > tells you how to create or work with an array.) Bj?rnke von Gierke used to have a ?stack? ?plugin? which parsed the dictionary data files to provide an alternative interface to the content - IIRC it offered better searching, and presumably it could be used to generate a PDF version. Does it still exist, does it still work? Ben From benr_mc at cogapp.com Fri Nov 2 13:25:56 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:25:56 +0000 Subject: iOS (and Android) - register to open certain file-types? In-Reply-To: <50940012.4060209@fourthworld.com> References: <5093FAC8.8030902@cogapp.com> <50940012.4060209@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <50940224.1090800@cogapp.com> On 02/11/2012 17:17, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> Is there a way (on iOS, on Android) to register my LiveCode-built mobile app >> as capable of opening certain file types? I understand about custom URL >> schemes; but this is about files, which might be downloaded from a browser, >> but might also be opened from utilities like Dropbox, Box, or Evernote. > > I believe you'll find what you're looking for in the Android Release Notes, > starting on p44 in the section titled "Custom URL schemes". > > Further details at the Android dev site: > Thanks for the link, Richard. I can see how this works when files arrive over HTTP, and therefore have a mime type - do you know how this can work by file type? (And is there a similar mechanism for iOS?) thanks, Ben From coiin at verizon.net Fri Nov 2 13:43:21 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:43:21 -0400 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <6EDFD8FE-ADC2-4A9C-B1A3-3E1D20F9B219@multimedial.de> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <1351874491805-4656837.post@n4.nabble.com> <6EDFD8FE-ADC2-4A9C-B1A3-3E1D20F9B219@multimedial.de> Message-ID: <10523F66-8CE4-461C-AEAB-6D2D60DA46A0@verizon.net> Dot syntax has been talked about in the past, and don't forget that it's not even just dot syntax that doesn't exist in LC, you can't even say: a = 1 The answer given, I believe, is that they are focussing even more on making the language human readable, and that's their target audience, not we who use dot syntax in other languages. From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Fri Nov 2 14:05:10 2012 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 18:05:10 +0000 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <10523F66-8CE4-461C-AEAB-6D2D60DA46A0@verizon.net> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de>, <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com>, , <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net>, <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de>, , <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de>, , <1351874491805-4656837.post@n4.nabble.com>, <6EDFD8FE-ADC2-4A9C-B1A3-3E1D20F9B219@multimedial.de>, <10523F66-8CE4-461C-AEAB-6D2D60DA46A0@verizon.net> Message-ID: And that is how it should be... as you say, you have lots of choice elsewhere if you wish to use dot syntax notation. I for one am glad that livecode are trying, but they have strayed a little, to keep the language as English like as possible.. Dixie > Dot syntax has been talked about in the past, and don't forget that it's not even just dot syntax that doesn't exist in LC, you can't even say: > > a = 1 > > The answer given, I believe, is that they are focussing even more on making the language human readable, and that's their target audience, not we who use dot syntax in other languages. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 2 14:07:54 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:07:54 -0500 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <6EDFD8FE-ADC2-4A9C-B1A3-3E1D20F9B219@multimedial.de> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <1351874491805-4656837.post@n4.nabble.com> <6EDFD8FE-ADC2-4A9C-B1A3-3E1D20F9B219@multimedial.de> Message-ID: <50940BFA.5000306@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/2/12 12:02 PM, info at multimedial.de wrote: > Am I the only one who wants dot syntax and short assigments This comes up occasionally by the three or four people who want it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From devin_asay at byu.edu Fri Nov 2 14:29:44 2012 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 18:29:44 +0000 Subject: Transitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AE843EB@Peas2.byu.local> On Nov 2, 2012, at 11:22 AM, wrote: > While we are at it: > > Let's talk about transistions between cards/stacks. > > I am after all the original iOS screen transistions like push left and push right etc. > > Despite the example inserted in some of the mobGUI example code, i still haven't figured out the correct steps to do this. > > Do I need to lock the screen before doing a transition and then unlock again? > > Is there no shorter,quicker way? > > Like > > Go card "newScreen" with visual effect "push left very fast" > > (That last "very fast" part always cracks me up - quick,hurry up with that transition! Apparently there is also no difference when you leave that part out...) > > I tried several variations of this but some of the mobGUI elements stayed on the screen (like in direct-to-screen mode in Director) or it didn't work at all. > > Also. IOS provides so-called "modal" windows which are shown using top-down animations or modal dialogs which come up from bottom to top... > > I guess there is no such thing to be done in LC,right? Christophe, Runrev changed the syntax slightly for doing transition effects when they updated the graphics engine. lock screen for visual effect -- do the changes here; go card, hide/show, etc. unlock screen with visual effect push left I've used it and it works great. I also like the ability to limit the transition to a specific region: lock screen for visual effect in rect (the rect of control 1) show control 1 unlock screen with visual effect wipe right HTH Devin Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 2 14:31:13 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:31:13 -0500 Subject: Transitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50941171.7080106@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/2/12 12:22 PM, info at multimedial.de wrote: > I am after all the original iOS screen transistions like push left > and push right etc. These are available. > > Despite the example inserted in some of the mobGUI example code, i > still haven't figured out the correct steps to do this. > > Do I need to lock the screen before doing a transition and then > unlock again? > > Is there no shorter,quicker way? Sometimes you need to do it that way, sometimes just issuing the visual effects command is enough. The engine stores the effects and doesn't implement them until the next redraw, or until you tell it to. See the "visual" entry in the dictionary where there are examples and an explanation. Usually this will work: visual effect push left go next card > > (That last "very fast" part always cracks me up - quick,hurry up with > that transition! Apparently there is also no difference when you > leave that part out...) "Very fast" translates to "as fast as this CPU can render". The other speeds are based on more standardized timings. The syntax is a descendent of HyperCard and remains to this day. If you see no difference between "fast" and "very fast" then your CPU is probably pretty fast to begin with. When the syntax first appeared 20 years ago, "fast" took much longer on an old Mac. > > I tried several variations of this but some of the mobGUI elements > stayed on the screen (like in direct-to-screen mode in Director) or > it didn't work at all. The correct syntax is now "lock screen for visual effect". If you only use "lock screen" then no visual effect will happen. This change was implemented recently at the same time as accelerated rendering, and it tells the engine to create an off-screen buffer. This should work: lock screen for visual effect go next card unlock screen with visual effect push left very fast BTW, 10 or 15 years ago I was specifically instructed not to put quotation marks around visual effects and the docs still show them that way. However I do see a lot of people doing that now and the engine seems to be okay with it, so maybe the rules changed. But if it isn't working for you, take them out. > > Also. IOS provides so-called "modal" windows which are shown using > top-down animations or modal dialogs which come up from bottom to > top... > > I guess there is no such thing to be done in LC,right? Not at this time. Things keep getting added though so you never know. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From admin at FlexibleLearning.com Fri Nov 2 14:33:52 2012 From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 18:33:52 -0000 Subject: [UPDATE] Free 'Clearview' desktop clock v2.0 with Calendar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Was your machine asleep at midnight Nov 1? If so, I suspect that it can only do the check when in an 'active' state. The date below the clock is checked every second whereas the calendar is only checked at midnight (assuming the computer is not asleep). A more frequent calendar check is needed, but one that does not screw up just browsing a different month. Will look into it when I get some time. Meanwhile, if you select the next or previous month then return to the current month, the display will correct itself. Best regards, Hugh Senior FLCo > > on October 31, 2012 at 9:03 AM > -0700 wrote: > >Now adjusted to automatically roll over at midnight (v2.0.1)... > > It rolled over fine from Oct 31 to Nov1, but not from Nov1 - Nov 2 > > See image > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/49c9nv13305k1yu/ycvtbYXaZ2#f:DigitalClock.jpg > > Stewart From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Fri Nov 2 14:56:28 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 14:56:28 -0400 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <50940BFA.5000306@hyperactivesw.com> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <1351874491805-4656837.post@n4.nabble.com> <6EDFD8FE-ADC2-4A9C-B1A3-3E1D20F9B219@multimedial.de> <50940BFA.5000306@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <010301cdb92b$c43e9360$4cbbba20$@net> I personally find the lack of data typing and LC arrays instead of dot syntax a breath of fresh air. That and the breath LC syntax and facilities allows me to bang out apps so much faster than VB, C or java it makes my head spin. I wrote an app to geo-code and update a database with Lat/Lon using the Google http facility in 1 page of code. I'll live with "put 1 into var" and not being able to do a "var = 1"..... A minor inconvenience for the compact coding of LC. This has strayed from the mobile discussion, but after I was able to demonstrate an app on both Android and iOS after using LC for just 1 month is just amazing! Just one opinion. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 2:08 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: developing for mobile devices On 11/2/12 12:02 PM, info at multimedial.de wrote: > Am I the only one who wants dot syntax and short assigments This comes up occasionally by the three or four people who want it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From info at multimedial.de Fri Nov 2 14:58:13 2012 From: info at multimedial.de (info at multimedial.de) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 19:58:13 +0100 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <1351874491805-4656837.post@n4.nabble.com> <6EDFD8FE-ADC2-4A9C-B1A3-3E1D20F9B219@multimedial.de> <10523F66-8CE4-461C-AEAB-6D2D60DA46A0@verizon.net> Message-ID: Well it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive,does it? Lingo does have the two modes as well - verbose and concise. Ok I stop naming Director as a reference - although this could potentially allure more users to LC... Freundliche Gr??e, Christophe Leske multimedial.de PROFILE: www.linkedin.com/in/multimedial ------------------------------------------ www.multimedial.de - info at multimedial.de Vogteistrasse 19 - 51647 Gummersbach +49(0)2261-99824540 // +49(0)177-2497031 Am 02.11.2012 um 19:05 schrieb John Dixon : > > > > And that is how it should be... as you say, you have lots of choice elsewhere if you wish to use dot syntax notation. I for one am glad that livecode are trying, but they have strayed a little, to keep the language as English like as possible.. > > Dixie > >> Dot syntax has been talked about in the past, and don't forget that it's not even just dot syntax that doesn't exist in LC, you can't even say: >> >> a = 1 >> >> The answer given, I believe, is that they are focussing even more on making the language human readable, and that's their target audience, not we who use dot syntax in other languages. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Fri Nov 2 15:02:46 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:02:46 -0400 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <1351874491805-4656837.post@n4.nabble.com> <6EDFD8FE-ADC2-4A9C-B1A3-3E1D20F9B219@multimedial.de> <10523F66-8CE4-461C-AEAB-6D2D60DA46A0@verizon.net> Message-ID: <84CD85DB-8B0A-4B43-A792-4274FA90DC08@verizon.net> I don't think that's a bad thing. Earlier today I used LiveCode as a reference in discussing a Director ability. On Nov 2, 2012, at 2:58 PM, info at multimedial.de wrote: > >Ok I stop naming Director as a reference - although this could potentially allure more users to LC... From cmsheffield at me.com Fri Nov 2 15:49:29 2012 From: cmsheffield at me.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:49:29 -0600 Subject: Transitions In-Reply-To: <50941171.7080106@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50941171.7080106@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <20C08A0A-0259-4DE7-9D7F-A69A8C9913C9@me.com> Jacque, If explicitVariables is turned on, the compiler requires quotes around visual effects. That's the only reason I've been using them. I haven't normally done so in the past either, but I decided to use explicitVars in this latest project and discovered this. Just FYI. :-) Chris On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > This should work: > > lock screen for visual effect > go next card > unlock screen with visual effect push left very fast > > BTW, 10 or 15 years ago I was specifically instructed not to put quotation marks around visual effects and the docs still show them that way. However I do see a lot of people doing that now and the engine seems to be okay with it, so maybe the rules changed. But if it isn't working for you, take them out. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Nov 2 16:40:06 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 07:40:06 +1100 Subject: iOS (and Android) - register to open certain file-types? In-Reply-To: <50940224.1090800@cogapp.com> References: <5093FAC8.8030902@cogapp.com> <50940012.4060209@fourthworld.com> <50940224.1090800@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <527AC4AE-E9D9-4414-B45D-02039B3AD369@sweattechnologies.com> Hi Ben Refer to this for the plist changes you need to make: http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/FileManagement/Conceptual/DocumentInteraction_TopicsForIOS/Articles/RegisteringtheFileTypesYourAppSupports.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010411-SW1 To edit the plist you need to find it inside the LiveCode app bundle. For the other side... Sending docs to other apps or previewing them there's mergDoc Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 03/11/2012, at 4:25 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > On 02/11/2012 17:17, Richard Gaskin wrote: >>> Is there a way (on iOS, on Android) to register my LiveCode-built mobile app >>> as capable of opening certain file types? I understand about custom URL >>> schemes; but this is about files, which might be downloaded from a browser, >>> but might also be opened from utilities like Dropbox, Box, or Evernote. >> >> I believe you'll find what you're looking for in the Android Release Notes, >> starting on p44 in the section titled "Custom URL schemes". >> >> Further details at the Android dev site: >> > > Thanks for the link, Richard. I can see how this works when files arrive over HTTP, and therefore have a mime type - do you know how this can work by file type? > > (And is there a similar mechanism for iOS?) > > thanks, > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 2 17:40:20 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:40:20 -0500 Subject: Transitions In-Reply-To: <20C08A0A-0259-4DE7-9D7F-A69A8C9913C9@me.com> References: <50941171.7080106@hyperactivesw.com> <20C08A0A-0259-4DE7-9D7F-A69A8C9913C9@me.com> Message-ID: <50943DC4.4090103@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/2/12 2:49 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > Jacque, > > If explicitVariables is turned on, the compiler requires quotes around visual effects. That would explain it. Thanks. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From info at multimedial.de Fri Nov 2 18:19:59 2012 From: info at multimedial.de (info at multimedial.de) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:19:59 +0100 Subject: Transitions In-Reply-To: <50943DC4.4090103@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50941171.7080106@hyperactivesw.com> <20C08A0A-0259-4DE7-9D7F-A69A8C9913C9@me.com> <50943DC4.4090103@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I think Jacque is in fact a lady going by the name of Jacqueline. Yet in any case: thank you very much for your clarifications as well as those of the others... Freundliche Gr??e, Christophe Leske multimedial.de PROFILE: www.linkedin.com/in/multimedial ------------------------------------------ www.multimedial.de - info at multimedial.de Vogteistrasse 19 - 51647 Gummersbach +49(0)2261-99824540 // +49(0)177-2497031 Am 02.11.2012 um 22:40 schrieb "J. Landman Gay" : > On 11/2/12 2:49 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: >> Jacque, >> >> If explicitVariables is turned on, the compiler requires quotes around visual effects. > > That would explain it. Thanks. > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bogdanoff at me.com Fri Nov 2 19:49:11 2012 From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 23:49:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AE843EB@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <69265ada-3ce1-e259-bc46-e880de983a95@me.com> Hi all, I'm needing to protect both the scripts and the text in fields for a project that is essentially a book--many pages with text. The author of the book is, well very concerned about piracy. I see that in the Standalone Application Settings I can protect scripts of stack files in the application. However, I have stack files that are NOT in the application--the app just serves to launch files. How do I protect the scripts in those files? And generally, how would I stop someone from opening stack files in their version of the IDE and having their way with my text? Or, just opening the files with a text editor? I can image when the files launch in the LiveCode IDE, a password is asked, and a global is set to allow authoring. But what about when it's opened as a raw text file? Peter Bogdanoff UCLA From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Nov 2 19:50:07 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 10:50:07 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> We're up to three funders now! -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 02/11/2012, at 5:48 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > That's a great deal Monte, thanks for offering this. I've contributed to > Monte's effort -- Game Center interaction is almost a requirement for iOS > games these days. Am hoping other folks get on board too. > > Best Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > > On 11/1/12 11:16 PM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: > >> I'm very happy to announce that the first person has put some funding >> into this external. After some discussions I have decided to offer 50% >> discount on the external (or 20% on the iOS suite) if the funding is $10 >> or more. Let's make this happen. >> >> On 01/11/2012, at 11:11 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: >> >>> Hi All >>> >>> I have been asked by a couple of people to put up a crowd funding page >>> for a Game Center external. If you would like to contribute to it's >>> development then there's more info at http://mergext.com/fund/ >>> >>> You can contribute as little or as much as you like. There's no >>> benefits for funding other than a nice feeling and the opportunity to >>> purchase and use the external when complete. Once released the purchase >>> price is likely to be $49 or included in the $299 iOS suite. As I don't >>> write games this external will probably not be released unless there is >>> some funding for it's development. I think it would be a good one for >>> the LiveCode community to have access to given the Game Academy etc and >>> also the higher profile/extra store it gives your apps. >>> >>> If the external receives the community support it needs to get off the >>> ground I hope to eventually implement it for both iOS and OS X but the >>> initial target will be iOS. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Monte >>> >>> -- >>> M E R Goulding >>> Software development services >>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >>> >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Fri Nov 2 19:53:39 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 19:53:39 -0400 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <69265ada-3ce1-e259-bc46-e880de983a95@me.com> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AE843EB@Peas2.byu.local> <69265ada-3ce1-e259-bc46-e880de983a95@me.com> Message-ID: <011a01cdb955$48545ee0$d8fd1ca0$@net> Peter, >From the dictionary. This will stop prying eyes from either the IDE or text editor. ---------------------------------------------------------- password Type: property Syntax: set the password of stack to {passwordString | empty} Objects (or Types): stack See Also: passKey Property, mcEncrypt Function Introduced: 1.0 Platforms: Desktop, Server, Web and Mobile Supported Operating Systems: Summary: Specifies a password that the user must enter before making changes to the stack. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter Bogdanoff Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 7:49 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Protecting stacks Hi all, I'm needing to protect both the scripts and the text in fields for a project that is essentially a book--many pages with text. The author of the book is, well very concerned about piracy. I see that in the Standalone Application Settings I can protect scripts of stack files in the application. However, I have stack files that are NOT in the application--the app just serves to launch files. How do I protect the scripts in those files? And generally, how would I stop someone from opening stack files in their version of the IDE and having their way with my text? Or, just opening the files with a text editor? I can image when the files launch in the LiveCode IDE, a password is asked, and a global is set to allow authoring. But what about when it's opened as a raw text file? Peter Bogdanoff UCLA _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri Nov 2 19:54:17 2012 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:54:17 -0700 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <69265ada-3ce1-e259-bc46-e880de983a95@me.com> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AE843EB@Peas2.byu.local> <69265ada-3ce1-e259-bc46-e880de983a95@me.com> Message-ID: you could encrypt the text, store in custom properties, convert to an array, and decrypt and display into a locked field on card open. On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm needing to protect both the scripts and the text in fields for a > project that is essentially a book--many pages with text. The author of the > book is, well very concerned about piracy. > > I see that in the Standalone Application Settings I can protect scripts of > stack files in the application. However, I have stack files that are NOT in > the application--the app just serves to launch files. How do I protect the > scripts in those files? > > And generally, how would I stop someone from opening stack files in their > version of the IDE and having their way with my text? Or, just opening the > files with a text editor? > > I can image when the files launch in the LiveCode IDE, a password is > asked, and a global is set to allow authoring. But what about when it's > opened as a raw text file? > > Peter Bogdanoff > UCLA > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From bogdanoff at me.com Fri Nov 2 20:12:32 2012 From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:12:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2c918723-f61d-6bf5-b6b6-f3a6211e8b38@me.com> Thanks Stephan and Ralph! On Nov 02, 2012, at 04:55 PM, stephen barncard wrote: you could encrypt the text, store in custom properties, convert to an array, and decrypt and display into a locked field on card open. On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm needing to protect both the scripts and the text in fields for a > project that is essentially a book--many pages with text. The author of the > book is, well very concerned about piracy. > > I see that in the Standalone Application Settings I can protect scripts of > stack files in the application. However, I have stack files that are NOT in > the application--the app just serves to launch files. How do I protect the > scripts in those files? > > And generally, how would I stop someone from opening stack files in their > version of the IDE and having their way with my text? Or, just opening the > files with a text editor? > > I can image when the files launch in the LiveCode IDE, a password is > asked, and a global is set to allow authoring. But what about when it's > opened as a raw text file? > > Peter Bogdanoff > UCLA > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Nov 2 20:19:54 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 01:19:54 +0100 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <69265ada-3ce1-e259-bc46-e880de983a95@me.com> References: <69265ada-3ce1-e259-bc46-e880de983a95@me.com> Message-ID: <52D10D09-4B75-4DF8-8068-707E9ADC0D9F@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Peter, You can protect stacks with a password, as Ralph suggested. Basically you can't prevent anyone from opening your stack in the IDE and copying all the text, if your stack isn't part of a standalone, and even if it is part of a standalone it isn't too difficult to detach the stack and save it as a stackfile again. There are also ways to open an additional stack in a standalone and run a script in that stack to copy all the text and image objects from your stack, even if it is password protected. Such a script could also save stacks and substacks as separate files. Only the scripts are effectively protected. A solution might be to save all your stackfiles as encrypted files. A script in your standalone would read the files, decrypt them and open them in a new window, similar to put url "binfile:path/to/file.bin" into myStack decrypt myStack using "blowfish" with myKey go myStack in new window The encypted files can be opened in a text editor, but will be useless. Because the key in your script is protected by the password of your mainstack, this approach is relatively save. Still, a hacker will always find a way to get the data out of your stack. I just read Stephen's e-mail, while writing the above. I think his idea is relatively insecure, because you can still open the stack in the IDE and run the decryption routines, although you could add a line to the script, which exits if the stack has been opened in the IDE: if the environment contains "dev" then exit to top Perhaps the safest way would be using pictures instead of text. Btw make sure to set the lockText of your fields to true (but you know that, I'm sure). -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 3 nov 2012, at 00:49, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm needing to protect both the scripts and the text in fields for a project that is essentially a book--many pages with text. The author of the book is, well very concerned about piracy. > > I see that in the Standalone Application Settings I can protect scripts of stack files in the application. However, I have stack files that are NOT in the application--the app just serves to launch files. How do I protect the scripts in those files? > > And generally, how would I stop someone from opening stack files in their version of the IDE and having their way with my text? Or, just opening the files with a text editor? > > I can image when the files launch in the LiveCode IDE, a password is asked, and a global is set to allow authoring. But what about when it's opened as a raw text file? > > Peter Bogdanoff > UCLA From bogdanoff at me.com Fri Nov 2 20:40:56 2012 From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:40:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <52D10D09-4B75-4DF8-8068-707E9ADC0D9F@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark. I will mull over this... On Nov 02, 2012, at 05:19 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Peter, You can protect stacks with a password, as Ralph suggested. Basically you can't prevent anyone from opening your stack in the IDE and copying all the text, if your stack isn't part of a standalone, and even if it is part of a standalone it isn't too difficult to detach the stack and save it as a stackfile again. There are also ways to open an additional stack in a standalone and run a script in that stack to copy all the text and image objects from your stack, even if it is password protected. Such a script could also save stacks and substacks as separate files. Only the scripts are effectively protected. A solution might be to save all your stackfiles as encrypted files. A script in your standalone would read the files, decrypt them and open them in a new window, similar to put url "binfile:path/to/file.bin" into myStack decrypt myStack using "blowfish" with myKey go myStack in new window The encypted files can be opened in a text editor, but will be useless. Because the key in your script is protected by the password of your mainstack, this approach is relatively save. Still, a hacker will always find a way to get the data out of your stack. I just read Stephen's e-mail, while writing the above. I think his idea is relatively insecure, because you can still open the stack in the IDE and run the decryption routines, although you could add a line to the script, which exits if the stack has been opened in the IDE: if the environment contains "dev" then exit to top Perhaps the safest way would be using pictures instead of text. Btw make sure to set the lockText of your fields to true (but you know that, I'm sure). -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 3 nov 2012, at 00:49, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm needing to protect both the scripts and the text in fields for a project that is essentially a book--many pages with text. The author of the book is, well very concerned about piracy. > > I see that in the Standalone Application Settings I can protect scripts of stack files in the application. However, I have stack files that are NOT in the application--the app just serves to launch files. How do I protect the scripts in those files? > > And generally, how would I stop someone from opening stack files in their version of the IDE and having their way with my text? Or, just opening the files with a text editor? > > I can image when the files launch in the LiveCode IDE, a password is asked, and a global is set to allow authoring. But what about when it's opened as a raw text file? > > Peter Bogdanoff > UCLA _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Nov 2 21:04:09 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 18:04:09 -0700 Subject: ANN: GLX2 3.0.12 Message-ID: <501417296375.20121102180409@ahsoftware.net> The GLX2 script editor version 3.0.12 is now available for download. NOTE: it's probably a good idea to toss any existing glx2 files (preferences, macros, plugins) just in case, because things have changed. Yes, we're skipping 3.0.11 - I uploaded it a while back while working on it and there were 58 downloads before I had a chance to announce it, so that one will remain an unofficial, somewhat buggy, work in progress. It's still there as a fallback, but I don't recommend bothering with it. And since there's no downside to archiving older released versions on bitbucket, I don't see a reason to remove them unless something's seriously hosed. https://bitbucket.org/mwieder/glx2/downloads 2012.11.01 GLX2 3.0.12d (Go Giants!) New The font selector in the preferences pane was bringing up a hard-coded list instead of grabbing the fontNames, so now it gets the whole list. Adobe's new open-source SourceCode Pro font looks great. Download it from http://sourceforge.net/projects/sourcecodepro.adobe/ Control+mouseOver the Find button turns it into "Find All", which will bring up a list of the locations of the found phrase anywhere in the stack file scripts (stack, substacks, cards, controls). Clicking on any line in the DataGrid will bring that script up in the script editor with the specified line highlighted. Licensing changed to MIT model - it seems more appropriate. Got the German keyboard AltGr key working now, thanks to Gunter Gaich. Refactored for speed improvements, code size, readability, and DRY coding Code folding preference for control structures (if/then/else, repeat loops, switch statements) Complete on return preference Warning if you try to undo past the last save Removed no-click inspection (attempt to get German keyboard working) Code stubbing added to new commands and functions (for TDD support) Live colorization completely refactored Slightly reworked the plugins script file and interface Version Control updated: more version control features (Branch, Merge, Checkout, Reset To..., Remove) lots of bug fixes Recreate Object from archived files Bug fixes fixed menubar disappearance on OSX fixed (I think) live colorization problems 'function' wasn't being colorized/capitalized fixed link to docs on preferences panel status bar didn't have group icon and used wrong field icon fixed crash if close script editor/toggle GLX2 off with stack still in memory Refactoring: change signature didn't handle split lines change signature had problems with function parameters known issues There's still a preprocessor problem with = signs embedded in block comments -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 2 21:50:57 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 20:50:57 -0500 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <52D10D09-4B75-4DF8-8068-707E9ADC0D9F@economy-x-talk.com> References: <69265ada-3ce1-e259-bc46-e880de983a95@me.com> <52D10D09-4B75-4DF8-8068-707E9ADC0D9F@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <50947881.6040305@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/2/12 7:19 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Peter, > > You can protect stacks with a password, as Ralph suggested. > > Basically you can't prevent anyone from opening your stack in the IDE > and copying all the text, if your stack isn't part of a standalone, > and even if it is part of a standalone it isn't too difficult to > detach the stack and save it as a stackfile again. Actually, with the newer file formats, that isn't easily possible any more. In fact, the RR team had some trouble doing it themselves. > There are also ways to open an additional stack in a standalone and > run a script in that stack to copy all the text and image objects > from your stack, even if it is password protected. Such a script > could also save stacks and substacks as separate files. Only the > scripts are effectively protected. For this project I'd make sure there were no separate stacks in the project. If there are any substacks, they should all be part of a single stackfile that is the compiled app. All stacks should be password protected so that the text isn't visible in a plain text editor. For the copy/paste issue, I'd omit or block those actions in the scripts and menus. I'd also set locktext to true, and traversalOn and autohiliting to false, on all fields so text cannot be selected at all. I think that should lock things down pretty well. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 2 22:00:16 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:00:16 -0500 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <69265ada-3ce1-e259-bc46-e880de983a95@me.com> References: <69265ada-3ce1-e259-bc46-e880de983a95@me.com> Message-ID: <50947AB0.9080505@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/2/12 6:49 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > I see that in the Standalone Application Settings I can protect scripts > of stack files in the application. However, I have stack files that are > NOT in the application--the app just serves to launch files. How do I > protect the scripts in those files? Passwords will protect the scripts, but Mark was right that if the stacks are separate files, another LiveCode app or the IDE could open and read them. If possible I'd put them all into the same app as substacks. > > I can image when the files launch in the LiveCode IDE, a password is > asked, and a global is set to allow authoring. But what about when it's > opened as a raw text file? Asking for a password won't work if messages are off; scripts won't run. Mark's idea of using encrypted content that is displayed dynamically could work. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 2 22:03:29 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:03:29 -0500 Subject: Transitions In-Reply-To: References: <50941171.7080106@hyperactivesw.com> <20C08A0A-0259-4DE7-9D7F-A69A8C9913C9@me.com> <50943DC4.4090103@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50947B71.306@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/2/12 5:19 PM, info at multimedial.de wrote: > I think Jacque is in fact a lady going by the name of Jacqueline. It's my nickname, pronounced "Jackie", which makes some of the French people here crazy because there is no "s" on the end. We do have a Jacques here, and he and I sometimes think we are each other. :) How to say "Jacque": -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri Nov 2 22:44:02 2012 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 19:44:02 -0700 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <50947AB0.9080505@hyperactivesw.com> References: <69265ada-3ce1-e259-bc46-e880de983a95@me.com> <50947AB0.9080505@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: actually I think the dynamic thing was my suggestion, I think but no matter. Based on conversations on this list, the biggest reason for that choice was to not have the hassle to deal with passwords during development and the possibility of losing everything. On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 7:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/2/12 6:49 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > > I see that in the Standalone Application Settings I can protect scripts >> of stack files in the application. However, I have stack files that are >> NOT in the application--the app just serves to launch files. How do I >> protect the scripts in those files? >> > > Passwords will protect the scripts, but Mark was right that if the stacks > are separate files, another LiveCode app or the IDE could open and read > them. If possible I'd put them all into the same app as substacks. > > > >> I can image when the files launch in the LiveCode IDE, a password is >> asked, and a global is set to allow authoring. But what about when it's >> opened as a raw text file? >> > > Asking for a password won't work if messages are off; scripts won't run. > Mark's idea of using encrypted content that is displayed dynamically could > work. > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From livfoss at mac.com Sat Nov 3 05:17:20 2012 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:17:20 +0100 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94AB1055-C4C0-421B-B376-EACC292ADE78@mac.com> Sure you can write a = 1 but it will be in an 'if' construction, and the result will be either true or false. There are or were languages where the boolean equality sign was distinguished from the assignment sign: in Algol, if I remember rightly, we wrote a := 1 To put 1 into a. I always liked that syntax. But that was when dinosaurs ruled the earth. Graham On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:43:21 -0400, Colin Holgate wrote: > > Dot syntax has been talked about in the past, and don't forget that it's not even just dot syntax that doesn't exist in LC, you can't even say: > > a = 1 > From effendi at wanadoo.fr Sat Nov 3 07:48:23 2012 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 12:48:23 +0100 Subject: Protecting stacks Message-ID: <4398D91A-2269-42F4-9EFA-5F3DB5AA1CB8@wanadoo.fr> Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Mark wrote : > and even if it is part of a standalone it isn't too difficult > to detach the stack and save it as a stackfile again. Mark, That intrigued me ! Could you clarify that statement a little, or point me to a link which will explain how to do this. Best Regards -Francis From th.douez at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 08:15:10 2012 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 13:15:10 +0100 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <4398D91A-2269-42F4-9EFA-5F3DB5AA1CB8@wanadoo.fr> References: <4398D91A-2269-42F4-9EFA-5F3DB5AA1CB8@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: 2012/11/3 Francis Nugent Dixon : > Hi from Beautiful Brittany, > > Mark wrote : > >> and even if it is part of a standalone it isn't too difficult >> to detach the stack and save it as a stackfile again. > > Mark, That intrigued me ! Could you clarify that statement > a little, or point me to a link which will explain how to > do this. > > Best Regards > > -Francis Bonjour Francis, Change par script ou via l'inspecteur d'objet la propriete mainstack de la substack. Positionnes-la au nom de la substack et ensuite tu sauvegardes. Rien de plus. Thierry From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat Nov 3 08:40:17 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 13:40:17 +0100 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <4398D91A-2269-42F4-9EFA-5F3DB5AA1CB8@wanadoo.fr> References: <4398D91A-2269-42F4-9EFA-5F3DB5AA1CB8@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: Hi Francis, If you have a need for this, perhaps it is better that you contact me off-list. -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com Download Color Converter at http://www.color-converter.com Op 3-nov-2012, om 12:48 heeft Francis Nugent Dixon het volgende geschreven: > Hi from Beautiful Brittany, > > Mark wrote : > >> and even if it is part of a standalone it isn't too difficult >> to detach the stack and save it as a stackfile again. > > Mark, That intrigued me ! Could you clarify that statement > a little, or point me to a link which will explain how to > do this. > > Best Regards > > -Francis From andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr Sat Nov 3 08:51:11 2012 From: andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Bisseret?=) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 13:51:11 +0100 Subject: how to get "0000" + 1 = 0001 ? Message-ID: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> Bonjour, When I add 1 to 0000, I am getting 1 How to get 0001 instead I read the dictionary at "numberFormat" or at "format" (function) but I am unable to get the right syntax :-(( Thank a lot for any help Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat Nov 3 09:05:49 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:05:49 +0100 Subject: how to get "0000" + 1 = 0001 ? In-Reply-To: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> References: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <58E503DF-19F4-44D0-A2AE-AF40CCEE587B@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Andr?, Try the format function: put format("%04s",1+1) -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com Download Color Converter at http://www.color-converter.com Op 3-nov-2012, om 13:51 heeft Andr? Bisseret het volgende geschreven: > Bonjour, > > When I add 1 to 0000, I am getting 1 > How to get 0001 instead > > I read the dictionary > at "numberFormat" or at "format" (function) > > but I am unable to get the right syntax :-(( > > Thank a lot for any help > > Best regards from Grenoble > > Andr? From livfoss at mac.com Sat Nov 3 09:35:04 2012 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:35:04 +0100 Subject: Scrolling puzzle Message-ID: <2517B153-0355-4597-A1C2-B491B903EC9B@mac.com> I'm trying some scrolling experiments for an iOS app, starting with the example on the RunRev site. Based on that, I have made a stack, iPhone-4 size, and within it a rectangle in which I want my scrolling to be seen. In this experiment all the scrolling is horizontal. The (experimental) group (why does it have to be a group?) is much bigger than the rectangle it scrolls through, as you would expect. This group "tScrollGroup" is just a collection of coloured squares laid side to side and grouped Just to give a concrete version, the rectangle through which I want the scroll to work is 56,80,248,300 - so there's a big margin on the left and right and the width is 192. The scrolled object "tScrollGroup" is 509 pixels wide. I got the scrolling working, but the right hand end of the scrolled object goes too far to the left: I want it to stop scrolling when it reaches the right hand edge of the rectangle. So I put some stuff in my 'scrollerDidScroll' handler which tries to detect when the scroll has gone too far by comparing the 'right' of the scrolled group with the position of the right edge of the rectangle. This didn't work - and when I put some trace code in (you know, a 'put' which shows up in the console), and subsequently a field which reports the rect of "tScrollGroup", I find that the rect of this group **never changes** so the right hand side just stays at 567, which is what it was when the program started; and the location is unchanging. What does this mean? The scrolled object is just a group like any other isn't it? D**n it, I can see it move on the screen! Am I not really looking at the group? This is very puzzling. Thanks for any clarification as to what is going on. Graham From andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr Sat Nov 3 10:04:16 2012 From: andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Bisseret?=) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 15:04:16 +0100 Subject: how to get "0000" + 1 = 0001 ? In-Reply-To: <58E503DF-19F4-44D0-A2AE-AF40CCEE587B@economy-x-talk.com> References: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> <58E503DF-19F4-44D0-A2AE-AF40CCEE587B@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <95F67FC7-D4A3-41C9-BCF0-9B031AD5A08E@wanadoo.fr> Works well! I was keeping the [ and ] found in the dictionary!!! Thanks a lot Mark Andr? Le 3 nov. 2012 ? 14:05, Mark Schonewille a ?crit : > Hi Andr?, > > Try the format function: > > put format("%04s",1+1) > > -- > > Economy-x-Talk > Consultancy and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > > Download Color Converter at http://www.color-converter.com > > Op 3-nov-2012, om 13:51 heeft Andr? Bisseret het volgende geschreven: > >> Bonjour, >> >> When I add 1 to 0000, I am getting 1 >> How to get 0001 instead >> >> I read the dictionary >> at "numberFormat" or at "format" (function) >> >> but I am unable to get the right syntax :-(( >> >> Thank a lot for any help >> >> Best regards from Grenoble >> >> Andr? > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From livfoss at mac.com Sat Nov 3 10:07:02 2012 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 15:07:02 +0100 Subject: Another scroller query Message-ID: <87402BF2-B938-4844-AED5-7F0A7FD82B34@mac.com> As I said in my previous message, I'm experimenting with iOS scrolling, starting with the "Mobile Scroller Example" on the RunRev site. One way my experiment differs from theirs is that I don't want the scrolling rectangle (contentRect) to start at the edge of the card (i.e. left = 0), whereas the RunRev example does. I find that however I position the contentRect, when I scroll right, although if I keep dragging I can see the left edge of the group which I'm trying to scroll "through" the rectangle, when I let go, it will come to rest at the edge of the card rather than the edge of the rectangle, so some of the object is now hidden when I didn't want it to be. How can I make sure the left hand edge of the group being scrolled will end up at left hand edge of the contentRect? And if I can't, is this a bug or a feature? TIA Graham From guglielmo at braguglia.ch Sat Nov 3 10:11:42 2012 From: guglielmo at braguglia.ch (Guglielmo Braguglia) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 15:11:42 +0100 Subject: Another scroller query In-Reply-To: <87402BF2-B938-4844-AED5-7F0A7FD82B34@mac.com> References: <87402BF2-B938-4844-AED5-7F0A7FD82B34@mac.com> Message-ID: <5095261E.9010100@braguglia.ch> Hi Graham, maybe this discussion (... and samples) can be useful for you ... http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=13141 Guglielmo On 03.11.2012 15:07, Graham Samuel wrote: > As I said in my previous message, I'm experimenting with iOS scrolling, starting with the "Mobile Scroller Example" on the RunRev site. One way my experiment differs from theirs is that I don't want the scrolling rectangle (contentRect) to start at the edge of the card (i.e. left = 0), whereas the RunRev example does. I find that however I position the contentRect, when I scroll right, although if I keep dragging I can see the left edge of the group which I'm trying to scroll "through" the rectangle, when I let go, it will come to rest at the edge of the card rather than the edge of the rectangle, so some of the object is now hidden when I didn't want it to be. How can I make sure the left hand edge of the group being scrolled will end up at left hand edge of the contentRect? And if I can't, is this a bug or a feature? > > TIA > > Graham > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch Sat Nov 3 10:49:04 2012 From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 15:49:04 +0100 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?=5BANN=5D_Free_=22Kochi_Mini_SVN=22_a_very_simp?= =?windows-1252?Q?le_=22Version_Control_System=94_for_LiveCode?= Message-ID: <7348CEF4-BC3A-42D0-A838-4335078301A0@id.uzh.ch> I'm happy to announce the availability of "Kochi Mini SVN", it is totally free ! "Kochi Mini SVN" is a very, very, simple "Script-Level Version Control System" for LiveCode, built directly into the LiveCode Script Editor. As a LiveCode enthusiast I have always wanted to have a simple to use "Script-Level Version Control System" for LiveCode. I saw a very impressive tool at RUNREV LIVE 2011 created by David Bovill. He suggested on his talk to not to be afraid to dive into the LiveCode IDE to find out more about the inner workings of LiveCode. His talk really inspired me to dig into the IDE and build, what I call the "Kochi Mini SVN" plugin, while we wait for his tool to be published. The god thing, when you create such a beast on your own, you can decide exactly how its going to work :-). My goal was simplicity, that?s the reason why I designed the installer as a plugin. I am on the LC development channel and therefore get new versions frequently, with the plugin I can install "Kochi Mini SVN" very quickly and easyly. Best Practice -> Install / Deinstall when you have no other stacks open since you have to restart LiveCode ! Important: When you try to Uninstall "Kochi Mini SVN", the IDE throws an warning message at you, saying that a stacks (revSE__Script__SVN) is already in memory. This is because the plugin and the IDE carry the same substack. You can just ignore this message and click "OK" and uninstall safely, no data loss will occur. This problem could easily be overcome when the substack would be stored in a custom property of the main stack. I did not do this on purpose, to have easier access to the substack, to fix things or add features ! How does it work: The Stack "Kochi Mini SVN" has to be used as a plugin, so please move it into your plugin folder before you try to install/uninstall "Kochi Mini SVN". When you install "Kochi Mini SVN", it places 4 buttons, 2 images and one support substack (revSE__Script__SVN) into the LiveCode Script Editor. "Kochi mini SVN Installer" does NOT alter any scripts from the LiveCode IDE. After a restart to clean up memory, you're ready to use "Kochi Mini SVN" inside the Script Editor Window. Whenever you like to check-in a script from any object, stack or substack you can now do so directly from within the Script Editor. Just hit the button "Check In" this will then save the script in a TEXT file (UTF8 Encoded) into a folder (which gets created on demand) just next to your stack. All saved script files contain the check-in date as well as the script itself in an XML like fashion ! If you at a later time would like to go back to a previous saved script or just compare what you have done, then just click the "SVN Revisions" button and choose a different file from the past (listed by date). This action will then open the support substack and show you your actual script alongside the saved script. Script differences are hilited. What "Kochi mini SVN" can do for you: - it can store scripts of any control/stack/substack in a text file on a local or remote folder (DropBox) - it can diff "compare" between check-in in code and your actual code - it can replace your actual code with checked-in code right from the Script Editor - format all your scripts handlers by pressing the button "Format", the tab key sometimes updates only one handler - it can remove comments and empty lines in your scripts with the "Compact" button - since text files are stored in a folder next to the stack, multiple people can have access to the changed text files if the stack is stored on a server - text files get indext by Spotlight (on OSX) and are therefore searchable from the finder (this is my favorite feature, to find handlers wich I have programmed in the past !) - the Stack file format is 2.7 so that it works with LiveCode version 4.6.4 as well What it can not do: - it does not store information about any object properties - scripts are not saved automatically, you have to "Check In" and "Check Out" your code - it does not do SVN branching or merging - it can not recreate a stack from the saved text files - it can not store custom comments or custom version numbers with the script files - "Kochi Mini SVN" is certainly not bug free :-) I like to share "Kochi Mini SVN" for free, give something back to the community, some of what it has given to me. So just enjoy it, I hope "Kochi Mini SVN" is useful to lots of people ! If you like "Kochi Mini SVN" please consider to donate something to my PayPal account ! I release "Kochi Mini SVN" under the MIT License with the exception that whatever you do with my code, the resulting software has to remain FREE OF CHARGE ! You can download ?Kochi Mini SVN? conveniently from RevOnline. I hope that some of the pros (or the RunRev prople) on this list take up my idea and develop my plugin further or create something much better :-). There is plenty of room for improvement, for example the diff handler could be improved to work more reliable and have different colos etc. Have fun as always Cheers Rolf PS: "Kochi mini SVN" was designed to run under OSX, I did minimal testing on Windows (works) but I have no idea how it behaves on Linux ! PS2: Please don?t shoot at me with bug reports and enhancement requests for the plugin. For me it does everything I need ! If you have great ideas, make a stack with the feature and send it to me. If I find your idea useful, I will incorporate the feature and release an updated plugin ! Remember "Kochi mini SVN" is free and all scripts are open :-) From skip at magicgate.com Sat Nov 3 11:29:37 2012 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 11:29:37 -0400 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BANN=5D_Free_=22Kochi_Mini_SVN=22_a_very_simple_=22Versi?= =?windows-1252?Q?on_Control_System=94_for_LiveCode?= In-Reply-To: <7348CEF4-BC3A-42D0-A838-4335078301A0@id.uzh.ch> References: <7348CEF4-BC3A-42D0-A838-4335078301A0@id.uzh.ch> Message-ID: This is not working for me... I copy Kochi-Mini-SVN-Installer to my plugins directory and run it as a plugin. It then goes through the procedures and asks me to quit LC. I do so, restart LC and when I open a script window, no changes have been made and the Kochi-Mini-SVN controls are no where to be found. Running on Windows7 and LC 5.5.3. Any suggestions? SKIP On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Rolf Kocherhans wrote: > I'm happy to announce the availability of "Kochi Mini SVN", it is totally free ! > > "Kochi Mini SVN" is a very, very, simple "Script-Level Version Control System" for LiveCode, built directly into the LiveCode Script Editor. > > As a LiveCode enthusiast I have always wanted to have a simple to use "Script-Level Version Control System" for LiveCode. I saw a very impressive tool at RUNREV LIVE 2011 created by David Bovill. He suggested on his talk to not to be afraid to dive into the LiveCode IDE to find out more about the inner workings of LiveCode. His talk really inspired me to dig into the IDE and build, what I call the "Kochi Mini SVN" plugin, while we wait for his tool to be published. > > The god thing, when you create such a beast on your own, you can decide exactly how its going to work :-). My goal was simplicity, that?s the reason why I designed the installer as a plugin. I am on the LC development channel and therefore get new versions frequently, with the plugin I can install "Kochi Mini SVN" very quickly and easyly. > > Best Practice -> Install / Deinstall when you have no other stacks open since you have to restart LiveCode ! > > Important: When you try to Uninstall "Kochi Mini SVN", the IDE throws an warning message at you, saying that a stacks (revSE__Script__SVN) is already in memory. This is because the plugin and the IDE carry the same substack. You can just ignore this message and click "OK" and uninstall safely, no data loss will occur. > This problem could easily be overcome when the substack would be stored in a custom property of the main stack. I did not do this on purpose, to have easier access to the substack, to fix things or add features ! > > > How does it work: > The Stack "Kochi Mini SVN" has to be used as a plugin, so please move it into your plugin folder before you try to install/uninstall "Kochi Mini SVN". > > When you install "Kochi Mini SVN", it places 4 buttons, 2 images and one support substack (revSE__Script__SVN) into the LiveCode Script Editor. "Kochi mini SVN Installer" does NOT alter any scripts from the LiveCode IDE. After a restart to clean up memory, you're ready to use "Kochi Mini SVN" inside the Script Editor Window. > > Whenever you like to check-in a script from any object, stack or substack you can now do so directly from within the Script Editor. Just hit the button "Check In" this will then save the script in a TEXT file (UTF8 Encoded) into a folder (which gets created on demand) just next to your stack. All saved script files contain the check-in date as well as the script itself in an XML like fashion ! > > If you at a later time would like to go back to a previous saved script or just compare what you have done, then just click the "SVN Revisions" button and choose a different file from the past (listed by date). This action will then open the support substack and show you your actual script alongside the saved script. Script differences are hilited. > > > What "Kochi mini SVN" can do for you: > - it can store scripts of any control/stack/substack in a text file on a local or remote folder (DropBox) > - it can diff "compare" between check-in in code and your actual code > - it can replace your actual code with checked-in code right from the Script Editor > - format all your scripts handlers by pressing the button "Format", the tab key sometimes updates only one handler > - it can remove comments and empty lines in your scripts with the "Compact" button > - since text files are stored in a folder next to the stack, multiple people can have access to the changed text files if the stack is stored on a server > - text files get indext by Spotlight (on OSX) and are therefore searchable from the finder (this is my favorite feature, to find handlers wich I have programmed in the past !) > - the Stack file format is 2.7 so that it works with LiveCode version 4.6.4 as well > > What it can not do: > - it does not store information about any object properties > - scripts are not saved automatically, you have to "Check In" and "Check Out" your code > - it does not do SVN branching or merging > - it can not recreate a stack from the saved text files > - it can not store custom comments or custom version numbers with the script files > - "Kochi Mini SVN" is certainly not bug free :-) > > > I like to share "Kochi Mini SVN" for free, give something back to the community, some of what it has given to me. So just enjoy it, I hope "Kochi Mini SVN" is useful to lots of people ! > > If you like "Kochi Mini SVN" please consider to donate something to my PayPal account ! > > I release "Kochi Mini SVN" under the MIT License with the exception that whatever you do with my code, the resulting software has to remain FREE OF CHARGE ! > > You can download ?Kochi Mini SVN? conveniently from RevOnline. > > I hope that some of the pros (or the RunRev prople) on this list take up my idea and develop my plugin further or create something much better :-). There is plenty of room for improvement, for example the diff handler could be improved to work more reliable and have different colos etc. > > Have fun as always > Cheers > Rolf > > PS: "Kochi mini SVN" was designed to run under OSX, I did minimal testing on Windows (works) but I have no idea how it behaves on Linux ! > > PS2: Please don?t shoot at me with bug reports and enhancement requests for the plugin. For me it does everything I need ! If you have great ideas, make a stack with the feature and send it to me. If I find your idea useful, I will incorporate the feature and release an updated plugin ! Remember "Kochi mini SVN" is free and all scripts are open :-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From skip at magicgate.com Sat Nov 3 11:31:43 2012 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 11:31:43 -0400 Subject: Windows 8 Compatibility Message-ID: Anybody tried the development environment and / or a compiled executable on Windows 8 yet? Any issues or problems? SKIP From davidocoker at gmail.com Sat Nov 3 11:41:35 2012 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 08:41:35 -0700 Subject: Windows 8 Compatibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote: > Anybody tried the development environment and / or a compiled executable on > Windows 8 yet? Any issues or problems? > > SKIP I'm already running Win 8 full time with LC 4.53 without any problems at all. I don't have any of the mobile platforms, so can't say on that side of the coin. -- Best regards, David C. From dunbarx at aol.com Sat Nov 3 12:17:03 2012 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: how to get "0000" + 1 = 0001 ? In-Reply-To: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> References: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <8CF87F5CB387A87-1248-68EE@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Andre: set the numberFormat to "0000" answer 0000 + 1 Craig Newman -----Original Message----- From: Andr? Bisseret To: use-livecode Sent: Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:52 am Subject: how to get "0000" + 1 = 0001 ? Bonjour, When I add 1 to 0000, I am getting 1 How to get 0001 instead I read the dictionary at "numberFormat" or at "format" (function) but I am unable to get the right syntax :-(( Thank a lot for any help Best regards from Grenoble Andr? _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Nov 3 12:17:19 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 09:17:19 -0700 Subject: Windows 8 Compatibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5095438F.1080509@fourthworld.com> My understanding is that Win8 on Intel will continue to work fine, but my concern is that Win8 is also available for ARM, and we don't currently have ARM compiles of the LC engine for either of the platforms that run on ARM (Win and Linux). Fingers crossed that we'll see that soon.... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Sat Nov 3 12:54:14 2012 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 17:54:14 +0100 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BANN=5D_Free_=22Kochi_Mini_SVN=22_a_ver?= =?windows-1252?Q?y_simple_=22Version_Control_System=94_for_LiveC?= =?windows-1252?Q?ode?= In-Reply-To: References: <7348CEF4-BC3A-42D0-A838-4335078301A0@id.uzh.ch> Message-ID: <3BD202B9-0C8D-4B44-9CAA-389D229BB45C@m-r-d.de> Hi Skip, tried it here with success on my virtual machine especially for you. ;) Tried LC 5.51 and 5.5.3 under Windows 7 Pro 32bit. After LC restart i could see the additional controls. Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- "Life is too short for boring code" Am 03.11.2012 um 16:29 schrieb Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel : > This is not working for me... I copy Kochi-Mini-SVN-Installer to my > plugins directory and run it as a plugin. It then goes through the > procedures and asks me to quit LC. I do so, restart LC and when I open > a script window, no changes have been made and the Kochi-Mini-SVN > controls are no where to be found. > > Running on Windows7 and LC 5.5.3. Any suggestions? > > SKIP > > On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Rolf Kocherhans > wrote: >> I'm happy to announce the availability of "Kochi Mini SVN", it is totally free ! >> >> "Kochi Mini SVN" is a very, very, simple "Script-Level Version Control System" for LiveCode, built directly into the LiveCode Script Editor. >> >> As a LiveCode enthusiast I have always wanted to have a simple to use "Script-Level Version Control System" for LiveCode. I saw a very impressive tool at RUNREV LIVE 2011 created by David Bovill. He suggested on his talk to not to be afraid to dive into the LiveCode IDE to find out more about the inner workings of LiveCode. His talk really inspired me to dig into the IDE and build, what I call the "Kochi Mini SVN" plugin, while we wait for his tool to be published. >> >> The god thing, when you create such a beast on your own, you can decide exactly how its going to work :-). My goal was simplicity, that?s the reason why I designed the installer as a plugin. I am on the LC development channel and therefore get new versions frequently, with the plugin I can install "Kochi Mini SVN" very quickly and easyly. >> >> Best Practice -> Install / Deinstall when you have no other stacks open since you have to restart LiveCode ! >> >> Important: When you try to Uninstall "Kochi Mini SVN", the IDE throws an warning message at you, saying that a stacks (revSE__Script__SVN) is already in memory. This is because the plugin and the IDE carry the same substack. You can just ignore this message and click "OK" and uninstall safely, no data loss will occur. >> This problem could easily be overcome when the substack would be stored in a custom property of the main stack. I did not do this on purpose, to have easier access to the substack, to fix things or add features ! >> >> >> How does it work: >> The Stack "Kochi Mini SVN" has to be used as a plugin, so please move it into your plugin folder before you try to install/uninstall "Kochi Mini SVN". >> >> When you install "Kochi Mini SVN", it places 4 buttons, 2 images and one support substack (revSE__Script__SVN) into the LiveCode Script Editor. "Kochi mini SVN Installer" does NOT alter any scripts from the LiveCode IDE. After a restart to clean up memory, you're ready to use "Kochi Mini SVN" inside the Script Editor Window. >> >> Whenever you like to check-in a script from any object, stack or substack you can now do so directly from within the Script Editor. Just hit the button "Check In" this will then save the script in a TEXT file (UTF8 Encoded) into a folder (which gets created on demand) just next to your stack. All saved script files contain the check-in date as well as the script itself in an XML like fashion ! >> >> If you at a later time would like to go back to a previous saved script or just compare what you have done, then just click the "SVN Revisions" button and choose a different file from the past (listed by date). This action will then open the support substack and show you your actual script alongside the saved script. Script differences are hilited. >> >> >> What "Kochi mini SVN" can do for you: >> - it can store scripts of any control/stack/substack in a text file on a local or remote folder (DropBox) >> - it can diff "compare" between check-in in code and your actual code >> - it can replace your actual code with checked-in code right from the Script Editor >> - format all your scripts handlers by pressing the button "Format", the tab key sometimes updates only one handler >> - it can remove comments and empty lines in your scripts with the "Compact" button >> - since text files are stored in a folder next to the stack, multiple people can have access to the changed text files if the stack is stored on a server >> - text files get indext by Spotlight (on OSX) and are therefore searchable from the finder (this is my favorite feature, to find handlers wich I have programmed in the past !) >> - the Stack file format is 2.7 so that it works with LiveCode version 4.6.4 as well >> >> What it can not do: >> - it does not store information about any object properties >> - scripts are not saved automatically, you have to "Check In" and "Check Out" your code >> - it does not do SVN branching or merging >> - it can not recreate a stack from the saved text files >> - it can not store custom comments or custom version numbers with the script files >> - "Kochi Mini SVN" is certainly not bug free :-) >> >> >> I like to share "Kochi Mini SVN" for free, give something back to the community, some of what it has given to me. So just enjoy it, I hope "Kochi Mini SVN" is useful to lots of people ! >> >> If you like "Kochi Mini SVN" please consider to donate something to my PayPal account ! >> >> I release "Kochi Mini SVN" under the MIT License with the exception that whatever you do with my code, the resulting software has to remain FREE OF CHARGE ! >> >> You can download ?Kochi Mini SVN? conveniently from RevOnline. >> >> I hope that some of the pros (or the RunRev prople) on this list take up my idea and develop my plugin further or create something much better :-). There is plenty of room for improvement, for example the diff handler could be improved to work more reliable and have different colos etc. >> >> Have fun as always >> Cheers >> Rolf >> >> PS: "Kochi mini SVN" was designed to run under OSX, I did minimal testing on Windows (works) but I have no idea how it behaves on Linux ! >> >> PS2: Please don?t shoot at me with bug reports and enhancement requests for the plugin. For me it does everything I need ! If you have great ideas, make a stack with the feature and send it to me. If I find your idea useful, I will incorporate the feature and release an updated plugin ! Remember "Kochi mini SVN" is free and all scripts are open :-) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Sat Nov 3 12:55:34 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 09:55:34 -0700 Subject: Windows 8 Compatibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, Have you tried any sqlite stuff with LC/W8? I'm not 100% sure but I think a special version of the sqlite librar is needed to run on W8, would be good to get confirmation/denial of that. Pete Pete lcSQL Software On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 8:41 AM, David C. wrote: > On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel > wrote: > > Anybody tried the development environment and / or a compiled executable > on > > Windows 8 yet? Any issues or problems? > > > > SKIP > > I'm already running Win 8 full time with LC 4.53 without any problems > at all. I don't have any of the mobile platforms, so can't say on that > side of the coin. > > -- > Best regards, > David C. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From skip at magicgate.com Sat Nov 3 13:02:44 2012 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 13:02:44 -0400 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BANN=5D_Free_=22Kochi_Mini_SVN=22_a_very_simple_=22Versi?= =?windows-1252?Q?on_Control_System=94_for_LiveCode?= In-Reply-To: <3BD202B9-0C8D-4B44-9CAA-389D229BB45C@m-r-d.de> References: <7348CEF4-BC3A-42D0-A838-4335078301A0@id.uzh.ch> <3BD202B9-0C8D-4B44-9CAA-389D229BB45C@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: Based upon my first reply and how I installed it, is there anything I did wrong or instructions that I did not follow? Looks like anybody who has made it work on Windows 7 so far, it has been a virtual machine. Not saying that is the issue, just an observation. I am really looking forward to using this plugin! SKIP From pete at lcsql.com Sat Nov 3 13:15:03 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 10:15:03 -0700 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BANN=5D_Free_=22Kochi_Mini_SVN=22_a_very_simple_=22Versi?= =?windows-1252?Q?on_Control_System=94_for_LiveCode?= In-Reply-To: References: <7348CEF4-BC3A-42D0-A838-4335078301A0@id.uzh.ch> <3BD202B9-0C8D-4B44-9CAA-389D229BB45C@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: Hi Skip, I just installed it on my Max OS x 10.7.4, LC 5.5.0 and it works fine. Couple of issues with it but it installed and worked. Pete Pete lcSQL Software On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel < skip at magicgate.com> wrote: > Based upon my first reply and how I installed it, is there anything I did > wrong or instructions that I did not follow? Looks like anybody who has > made it work on Windows 7 so far, it has been a virtual machine. Not > saying that is the issue, just an observation. > > I am really looking forward to using this plugin! > > SKIP > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Nov 3 13:18:19 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:18:19 -0700 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <4398D91A-2269-42F4-9EFA-5F3DB5AA1CB8@wanadoo.fr> References: <4398D91A-2269-42F4-9EFA-5F3DB5AA1CB8@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <509551DB.6050902@fourthworld.com> Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > Hi from Beautiful Brittany, > > Mark wrote : > >> and even if it is part of a standalone it isn't too difficult >> to detach the stack and save it as a stackfile again. > > Mark, That intrigued me ! Could you clarify that statement > a little, or point me to a link which will explain how to > do this. Stacks are data, and LC handled both textual and binary data with ease. When you open a stack from disk, what you "go" to is a blob of binary data in memory. This allows us to also "go" to stacks that have no on-disk copy, such as when obtained via HTTP: go url "http://www.domain.com/somestack.livecode" Similarly, you can put a stack into the clipboard and "go" to it: copy stack "SomeStack" put the clipboardData["objects"] into tStack go stack tStack Taking this further, you can stuff stacks into custom properties: put url "binfile:MyDrive/MyStack.livecode" into tData set the uStoredStack of btn 1 to tData And you can use that to recreate the stack file again: put the uStoredStack of btn 1 into \ url "binfile:MyDrive/MyStack.livecode" You can also clone stacks, and when cloned they have no filename but you can set this to save them, useful for making documents: clone stack "DocTemplate" set the filename of it to "MyDrive/MyStack.livecode" save stack it In addition to the clone command, you can also turn a substack into a mainstack by setting its mainstack property to itself, or move a substack to become a substack in a different stack file by setting its mainstack property to that other stack file. And as with any other data, you can compress stacks so they use less storage space, and can run them through encrypt and decrypt to protect them on disk. Or as Stephen suggested, if you store them in custom props you can protect only the parts you need protected (the stack data in the props), while leaving the stack containing them in its native format so it's easy to work with in the IDE. There are a great many useful things that can be done with stacks both in memory and on disk and everything in between. And with the simplicity and robustness of custom properties, they're often a favorite file format of mine for data which would otherwise be cumbersome to parse. Stack files are specially well-suited for hierarchically ordered data of minimal depth, as they load faster in many cases than running an array through arrayDecode. For more on using stack files for storage, see: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From henshaw at me.com Sat Nov 3 13:29:17 2012 From: henshaw at me.com (Andrew Henshaw) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 17:29:17 +0000 Subject: Windows 8 Compatibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The current version of livecode and sqlite work fine on the Intel version of Windows 8. If anything id say they zip along quite a bit faster. Andy On 3 Nov 2012, at 16:55, Peter Haworth wrote: > Hi David, > Have you tried any sqlite stuff with LC/W8? I'm not 100% sure but I think > a special version of the sqlite librar is needed to run on W8, would be > good to get confirmation/denial of that. > Pete > > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > > On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 8:41 AM, David C. wrote: > >> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel >> wrote: >>> Anybody tried the development environment and / or a compiled executable >> on >>> Windows 8 yet? Any issues or problems? >>> >>> SKIP >> >> I'm already running Win 8 full time with LC 4.53 without any problems >> at all. I don't have any of the mobile platforms, so can't say on that >> side of the coin. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> David C. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From chelling at mac.com Sat Nov 3 13:41:20 2012 From: chelling at mac.com (Celeste Helling) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 13:41:20 -0400 Subject: 4th generation iPad Message-ID: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> I just got a report of an app running fine on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation iPads, but crashing on the 4th generation. Has anyone else experienced this? Thanks - Celeste From coiin at verizon.net Sat Nov 3 13:45:33 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 13:45:33 -0400 Subject: 4th generation iPad In-Reply-To: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> Message-ID: Is there a chance that the earlier ones were using iOS 5.1.1 or earlier? Have you updated your app recently, too prevent the iOS 6 crashing that happens to most LC apps? On Nov 3, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Celeste Helling wrote: > >I just got a report of an app running fine on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation iPads, but crashing on the 4th generation. Has anyone else experienced this? > From pete at lcsql.com Sat Nov 3 13:55:25 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 10:55:25 -0700 Subject: Windows 8 Compatibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Andy. There have been some posts about this on the sqlite discussion list but I guess I must havce misunderstood what was being said. Pete lcSQL Software On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Andrew Henshaw wrote: > The current version of livecode and sqlite work fine on the Intel version > of Windows 8. > > If anything id say they zip along quite a bit faster. > > Andy > > > On 3 Nov 2012, at 16:55, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > Hi David, > > Have you tried any sqlite stuff with LC/W8? I'm not 100% sure but I > think > > a special version of the sqlite librar is needed to run on W8, would be > > good to get confirmation/denial of that. > > Pete > > > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 8:41 AM, David C. wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel > >> wrote: > >>> Anybody tried the development environment and / or a compiled > executable > >> on > >>> Windows 8 yet? Any issues or problems? > >>> > >>> SKIP > >> > >> I'm already running Win 8 full time with LC 4.53 without any problems > >> at all. I don't have any of the mobile platforms, so can't say on that > >> side of the coin. > >> > >> -- > >> Best regards, > >> David C. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Nov 3 15:24:44 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:24:44 -0500 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <4398D91A-2269-42F4-9EFA-5F3DB5AA1CB8@wanadoo.fr> References: <4398D91A-2269-42F4-9EFA-5F3DB5AA1CB8@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <50956F7C.1020106@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/3/12 6:48 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > Hi from Beautiful Brittany, > > Mark wrote : > >> and even if it is part of a standalone it isn't too difficult >> to detach the stack and save it as a stackfile again. > > Mark, That intrigued me ! Could you clarify that statement > a little, or point me to a link which will explain how to > do this. In the past, a standalone was a combination of the engine and your stack file. It used to be possible to separate the two and turn a standalone back into a plain stack. It's no longer possible. The file format of standalones was changed and the two parts can't be separated any more. If your standalones are built with any engine released over the last year or so, they can't be tampered with. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Nov 3 15:26:17 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:26:17 -0500 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: References: <69265ada-3ce1-e259-bc46-e880de983a95@me.com> <50947AB0.9080505@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50956FD9.7080307@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/2/12 9:44 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > actually I think the dynamic thing was my suggestion Oops, sorry. Credit where credit is due. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Nov 3 15:59:17 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:59:17 -0500 Subject: Another scroller query In-Reply-To: <87402BF2-B938-4844-AED5-7F0A7FD82B34@mac.com> References: <87402BF2-B938-4844-AED5-7F0A7FD82B34@mac.com> Message-ID: <50957795.50706@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/3/12 9:07 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: > As I said in my previous message, I'm experimenting with iOS > scrolling, starting with the "Mobile Scroller Example" on the RunRev > site. One way my experiment differs from theirs is that I don't want > the scrolling rectangle (contentRect) to start at the edge of the > card (i.e. left = 0), whereas the RunRev example does. I find that > however I position the contentRect, when I scroll right, although if > I keep dragging I can see the left edge of the group which I'm trying > to scroll "through" the rectangle, when I let go, it will come to > rest at the edge of the card rather than the edge of the rectangle, > so some of the object is now hidden when I didn't want it to be. How > can I make sure the left hand edge of the group being scrolled will > end up at left hand edge of the contentRect? And if I can't, is this > a bug or a feature? That threw me for months, until someone here finally explained to me that the top left of the scroller is *always* 0,0 regardless of where the group is located on the card. The contentRect is relative to the object it scrolls, not to the stack. Once the lightbulb turned on I was able to get it to work. The docs are a little opaque about that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat Nov 3 17:10:07 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 22:10:07 +0100 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <50956F7C.1020106@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4398D91A-2269-42F4-9EFA-5F3DB5AA1CB8@wanadoo.fr> <50956F7C.1020106@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <0B26548D-48B5-4928-8E21-606A12937BBE@economy-x-talk.com> Jacque, I think that "no longer possible" is just a little too strong. Hackers will always find a way, if they really want to. (No, I don't consider myself a hacker). -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com Download Color Converter at http://www.color-converter.com Op 3-nov-2012, om 20:24 heeft J. Landman Gay het volgende geschreven: > > In the past, a standalone was a combination of the engine and your > stack file. It used to be possible to separate the two and turn a > standalone back into a plain stack. > > It's no longer possible. The file format of standalones was changed > and the two parts can't be separated any more. If your standalones > are built with any engine released over the last year or so, they > can't be tampered with. From smudge.andy at googlemail.com Sat Nov 3 17:13:52 2012 From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[ANN]_Free_"Kochi_Mini_SVN"_a_very_si?= =?UTF-8?Q?mple_"Version_Control_System=E2=80=9D_for_LiveCode?= In-Reply-To: <7348CEF4-BC3A-42D0-A838-4335078301A0@id.uzh.ch> References: <7348CEF4-BC3A-42D0-A838-4335078301A0@id.uzh.ch> Message-ID: <1351977232119-4656900.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Rolf. Thanks for your hard work. Installed and tested in 5.5.3 Build 1497 on Win 7 Home Premium. All working great. ----- Andy Piddock My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / finder. http://www.pointandsee.co.uk - made with LiveCode -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Free-Kochi-Mini-SVN-a-very-simple-Version-Control-System-for-LiveCode-tp4656881p4656900.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From chelling at mac.com Sat Nov 3 17:43:05 2012 From: chelling at mac.com (Celeste Helling) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 17:43:05 -0400 Subject: 4th generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> Message-ID: No. it's working fine all the way through 6.1 on iPad 1, 2, one 3. On Nov 3, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Is there a chance that the earlier ones were using iOS 5.1.1 or earlier? Have you updated your app recently, too prevent the iOS 6 crashing that happens to most LC apps? > > > On Nov 3, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Celeste Helling wrote: > >>> I just got a report of an app running fine on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation iPads, but crashing on the 4th generation. Has anyone else experienced this? >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Nov 3 18:20:27 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 17:20:27 -0500 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <0B26548D-48B5-4928-8E21-606A12937BBE@economy-x-talk.com> References: <4398D91A-2269-42F4-9EFA-5F3DB5AA1CB8@wanadoo.fr> <50956F7C.1020106@hyperactivesw.com> <0B26548D-48B5-4928-8E21-606A12937BBE@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <509598AB.1070804@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/3/12 4:10 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Jacque, > > I think that "no longer possible" is just a little too strong. Hackers > will always find a way, if they really want to. (No, I don't consider > myself a hacker). Of course. That goes without saying. But given how long it took the guys who wrote it to reverse their own files, I trust it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From sc at sahores-conseil.com Sat Nov 3 18:33:56 2012 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 23:33:56 +0100 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <509598AB.1070804@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4398D91A-2269-42F4-9EFA-5F3DB5AA1CB8@wanadoo.fr> <50956F7C.1020106@hyperactivesw.com> <0B26548D-48B5-4928-8E21-606A12937BBE@economy-x-talk.com> <509598AB.1070804@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <8A5A49DF-9144-486D-A251-FD8AA08D2C95@sahores-conseil.com> ;D Le 3 nov. 2012 ? 23:20, J. Landman Gay a ?crit : > On 11/3/12 4:10 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: >> Jacque, >> >> I think that "no longer possible" is just a little too strong. Hackers >> will always find a way, if they really want to. (No, I don't consider >> myself a hacker). > > Of course. That goes without saying. But given how long it took the guys who wrote it to reverse their own files, I trust it. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From coiin at verizon.net Sat Nov 3 19:00:37 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:00:37 -0400 Subject: 4th generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> Message-ID: <7E058948-D4A1-4E27-AA76-63B7FD7E5CBE@verizon.net> Next idea, Xcode just got updated to support the new iPads. Could be worth making a new build with that. From chelling at mac.com Sat Nov 3 21:57:58 2012 From: chelling at mac.com (Celeste Helling) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 21:57:58 -0400 Subject: 4th generation iPad In-Reply-To: <7E058948-D4A1-4E27-AA76-63B7FD7E5CBE@verizon.net> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <7E058948-D4A1-4E27-AA76-63B7FD7E5CBE@verizon.net> Message-ID: <3E2D69C0-8532-441F-ACE0-A51D06E899D0@mac.com> Upgrading Xcode fixed it. But now the visual effect curl up isn't working, and curl down is working inconsistently. These are all card transitions. Setting the acceleratedRendering to true in openStack doesn't help. Has anyone else seen this happening? Thanks for your help! One of the users needs to be able to use the app on Friday. Celeste On Nov 3, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Next idea, Xcode just got updated to support the new iPads. Could be worth making a new build with that. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Sat Nov 3 22:05:49 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:05:49 -0400 Subject: 4th generation iPad In-Reply-To: <3E2D69C0-8532-441F-ACE0-A51D06E899D0@mac.com> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <7E058948-D4A1-4E27-AA76-63B7FD7E5CBE@verizon.net> <3E2D69C0-8532-441F-ACE0-A51D06E899D0@mac.com> Message-ID: <5D8BC2B9-B303-4C5C-9CAB-0E7810AE6444@verizon.net> Do you have iphoneSetRedrawInterval set to 1? From chelling at mac.com Sat Nov 3 22:18:56 2012 From: chelling at mac.com (Celeste Helling) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:18:56 -0400 Subject: 4th generation iPad In-Reply-To: <5D8BC2B9-B303-4C5C-9CAB-0E7810AE6444@verizon.net> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <7E058948-D4A1-4E27-AA76-63B7FD7E5CBE@verizon.net> <3E2D69C0-8532-441F-ACE0-A51D06E899D0@mac.com> <5D8BC2B9-B303-4C5C-9CAB-0E7810AE6444@verizon.net> Message-ID: <7225C101-8ACC-43E2-B086-EB72B38C58A0@mac.com> This is getting close! I added it to preOpenStack like this: on preOpenStack set the acceleratedRendering of this stack to true iphoneSetRedrawInterval 1 end preOpenStack The first test in the simulator, the first card had the transition. However no subsequent card did. Now the visual effect isn't working on any card transition. Will this need to be set on each card? Thanks for your help Colin! Celeste On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Do you have iphoneSetRedrawInterval set to 1? > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From Hakan at Exformedia.se Sun Nov 4 01:31:23 2012 From: Hakan at Exformedia.se (Hakan at Exformedia.se) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 06:31:23 +0100 Subject: Tab Panel highlight errors In-Reply-To: <1351719100458-4656787.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1351719100458-4656787.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <62497523-E4D3-4A69-97FA-515CAF125587@Exformedia.se> Are you sure that you have the same background object on all cards? If you copy and past a group from one card to the other tey are in fact two different groups even if you select behave lie a background. :-H?kan 31 okt 2012 kl. 22:31 skrev tbodine: > Hi, > > I used the tutorial > on > the Tab Panel to set up a simple 3 tab panel navigation among 3 cards. > (Grouped. Behave like a background is ON.) Works well. But, the highlighted > tab (the one shown in the foreground when clicked) does not stay in sync and > often shows the wrong tab highlighted. Is this something I must set > manually? If so, how? > > Example of problem: > [ Edit ] [ Play ] [ Help ] tabs each go to cards of the same name as the > tab. But very often, if I click [ Play ] it will branch to the Play card > but then highlight the [ Edit ] or [ Help ] tab. > > Thanks for your help. (Using Win XP with LC 5.5.2) > > Tom Bodine > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Tab-Panel-highlight-errors-tp4656787.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From livfoss at mac.com Sun Nov 4 10:43:18 2012 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 16:43:18 +0100 Subject: Financial formulae Message-ID: <70C176DB-2E27-4103-BCFA-16F596FC4C2E@mac.com> Here at the unfashionable end of the galaxy, I find I have to code some financial formulae, for example for amortization (PMT and IPMT) and very probably other stuff of this kind - stuff which is available in Excel at the drop of a mouse but not AFAIK in any LC library. Of course it is just tedious work rather than anything at all cutting edge (all the fomulae are readily available), but has anyone tackled any of this already? If so I'd be happy to negotiate a small payment for the original code. Or I could just keep grinding on? and may eventually be able to put something into RevOnline myself. TIA for any offers Graham From dunbarx at aol.com Sun Nov 4 11:05:08 2012 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:05:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Financial formulae In-Reply-To: <70C176DB-2E27-4103-BCFA-16F596FC4C2E@mac.com> References: <70C176DB-2E27-4103-BCFA-16F596FC4C2E@mac.com> Message-ID: <8CF88BD4B5EA179-1248-99B6@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Hi. Just enter 42 in all required fields. Craig Newman -----Original Message----- From: Graham Samuel To: use-livecode Sent: Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:44 am Subject: Financial formulae Here at the unfashionable end of the galaxy, I find I have to code some financial formulae, for example for amortization (PMT and IPMT) and very probably other stuff of this kind - stuff which is available in Excel at the drop of a mouse but not AFAIK in any LC library. Of course it is just tedious work rather than anything at all cutting edge (all the fomulae are readily available), but has anyone tackled any of this already? If so I'd be happy to negotiate a small payment for the original code. Or I could just keep grinding on? and may eventually be able to put something into RevOnline myself. TIA for any offers Graham _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From info at multimedial.de Sun Nov 4 11:07:12 2012 From: info at multimedial.de (Christophe Leske) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 17:07:12 +0100 Subject: Psting images into LC Message-ID: <509692B0.7000102@multimedial.de> Hi, I got a quick question related to images... I was under the impression that when you paste an image onto a card, LC would make an entry for it in the image library... Apparently this is not the case either? I can see my pasted image on my card, but where is it stored? Does it appear somewhere in an asset list like in Flash or Director (cast libs, or library)? Thanks for your help, -- Christophe Leske multimedial.de ---------------------------------------- www.multimedial.de - info at multimedial.de Hohler Strasse 17 - 51645 Gummersbach +49(0)2261-99824540 // +49(0)177-2497031 ---------------------------------------- From info at multimedial.de Sun Nov 4 11:08:13 2012 From: info at multimedial.de (Christophe Leske) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 17:08:13 +0100 Subject: Psting images into LC In-Reply-To: <509692B0.7000102@multimedial.de> References: <509692B0.7000102@multimedial.de> Message-ID: <509692ED.6000602@multimedial.de> Oh great, screwed up the subject without noticing it... -- Christophe Leske multimedial.de ---------------------------------------- www.multimedial.de - info at multimedial.de Hohler Strasse 17 - 51645 Gummersbach +49(0)2261-99824540 // +49(0)177-2497031 ---------------------------------------- From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun Nov 4 11:24:34 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:24:34 -0800 Subject: Psting images into LC In-Reply-To: <509692B0.7000102@multimedial.de> References: <509692B0.7000102@multimedial.de> Message-ID: <491558921406.20121104082434@ahsoftware.net> Christophe- Sunday, November 4, 2012, 8:07:12 AM, you wrote: > Hi, > I got a quick question related to images... > I was under the impression that when you paste an image onto a card, LC > would make an entry for it in the image library... > Apparently this is not the case either? I can see my pasted image on my > card, but where is it stored? Does it appear somewhere in an asset list > like in Flash or Director (cast libs, or library)? Nthng wrng wth mssng vwls... If you open the Application Browser to examine your stack you'll see the list of objects in the pane on the right. Images will appear there. Images *should* appear in the Image Library in the "this stack" category, but normally don't. The image is now a part of the monolithic stack file, not stored as a separate asset file anywhere. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From bonnmike at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 11:28:27 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:28:27 -0700 Subject: Financial formulae In-Reply-To: <8CF88BD4B5EA179-1248-99B6@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> References: <70C176DB-2E27-4103-BCFA-16F596FC4C2E@mac.com> <8CF88BD4B5EA179-1248-99B6@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/11957935/FMM.livecode Look through that. Haven't looked at it in a while, not sure if anything is broken but the calcs and such should be correct. Does amortization schedule, future values and estimates outboard boat speed based on prop pitch and gear ratio. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:05 AM, wrote: > Hi. > > > Just enter 42 in all required fields. > > > Craig Newman > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Samuel > To: use-livecode > Sent: Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:44 am > Subject: Financial formulae > > > Here at the unfashionable end of the galaxy, I find I have to code some > financial formulae, for example for amortization (PMT and IPMT) and very > probably other stuff of this kind - stuff which is available in Excel at > the > drop of a mouse but not AFAIK in any LC library. Of course it is just > tedious > work rather than anything at all cutting edge (all the fomulae are readily > available), but has anyone tackled any of this already? If so I'd be happy > to > negotiate a small payment for the original code. Or I could just keep > grinding > on? and may eventually be able to put something into RevOnline myself. > > TIA for any offers > > Graham > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From bonnmike at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 11:43:18 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:43:18 -0700 Subject: Financial formulae In-Reply-To: References: <70C176DB-2E27-4103-BCFA-16F596FC4C2E@mac.com> <8CF88BD4B5EA179-1248-99B6@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Forgot to mention. The actual calculation is done in the behavior script of the datagrid (form) on the left. ffv for future value amortize for amortization of course and boatspeed is obvious too. If its easier, I can dig out the specific handlers for the 2 financial functions, clean them up (get rid of dg specific stuff) and post them here. Now that I know more about rev/lc i'm sure there are quite a few improvements and optimizations to be made. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/11957935/FMM.livecode Look through that. > Haven't looked at it in a while, not sure if anything is broken but the > calcs and such should be correct. Does amortization schedule, future > values and estimates outboard boat speed based on prop pitch and gear > ratio. > > > On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:05 AM, wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> >> Just enter 42 in all required fields. >> >> >> Craig Newman >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Graham Samuel >> To: use-livecode >> Sent: Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:44 am >> Subject: Financial formulae >> >> >> Here at the unfashionable end of the galaxy, I find I have to code some >> financial formulae, for example for amortization (PMT and IPMT) and very >> probably other stuff of this kind - stuff which is available in Excel at >> the >> drop of a mouse but not AFAIK in any LC library. Of course it is just >> tedious >> work rather than anything at all cutting edge (all the fomulae are readily >> available), but has anyone tackled any of this already? If so I'd be >> happy to >> negotiate a small payment for the original code. Or I could just keep >> grinding >> on? and may eventually be able to put something into RevOnline myself. >> >> TIA for any offers >> >> Graham >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > From bonnmike at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 11:47:37 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:47:37 -0700 Subject: Financial formulae In-Reply-To: References: <70C176DB-2E27-4103-BCFA-16F596FC4C2E@mac.com> <8CF88BD4B5EA179-1248-99B6@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Oops.. one more. Look at "annuity" in the dictionary, I didn't use it, but could be a time saver for some things. Also the compound function. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: > Forgot to mention. The actual calculation is done in the behavior script > of the datagrid (form) on the left. > ffv for future value > amortize for amortization of course > and boatspeed is obvious too. > > If its easier, I can dig out the specific handlers for the 2 financial > functions, clean them up (get rid of dg specific stuff) and post them here. > Now that I know more about rev/lc i'm sure there are quite a few > improvements and optimizations to be made. > > > On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: > >> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/11957935/FMM.livecode Look through that. >> Haven't looked at it in a while, not sure if anything is broken but the >> calcs and such should be correct. Does amortization schedule, future >> values and estimates outboard boat speed based on prop pitch and gear >> ratio. >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:05 AM, wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> >>> Just enter 42 in all required fields. >>> >>> >>> Craig Newman >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Graham Samuel >>> To: use-livecode >>> Sent: Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:44 am >>> Subject: Financial formulae >>> >>> >>> Here at the unfashionable end of the galaxy, I find I have to code some >>> financial formulae, for example for amortization (PMT and IPMT) and very >>> probably other stuff of this kind - stuff which is available in Excel at >>> the >>> drop of a mouse but not AFAIK in any LC library. Of course it is just >>> tedious >>> work rather than anything at all cutting edge (all the fomulae are >>> readily >>> available), but has anyone tackled any of this already? If so I'd be >>> happy to >>> negotiate a small payment for the original code. Or I could just keep >>> grinding >>> on? and may eventually be able to put something into RevOnline myself. >>> >>> TIA for any offers >>> >>> Graham >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription >>> preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> > From info at multimedial.de Sun Nov 4 12:04:29 2012 From: info at multimedial.de (Christophe Leske) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:04:29 +0100 Subject: multi-line text on iOS - how? Message-ID: <5096A01D.2080300@multimedial.de> Hi, so I am wondering, what is the best way to do a multi line explanatory text in iOS using MobGui? Should I do a webpage and embed a browser, or is there a better way? The provided mobGui Label just holds one lie, right? -- Christophe Leske multimedial.de ---------------------------------------- www.multimedial.de - info at multimedial.de Hohler Strasse 17 - 51645 Gummersbach +49(0)2261-99824540 // +49(0)177-2497031 ---------------------------------------- From info at multimedial.de Sun Nov 4 12:10:00 2012 From: info at multimedial.de (Christophe Leske) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:10:00 +0100 Subject: multi-line text on iOS - how? In-Reply-To: <5096A01D.2080300@multimedial.de> References: <5096A01D.2080300@multimedial.de> Message-ID: <5096A168.3070101@multimedial.de> > The provided mobGui Label just holds one lie, right? My spelling is defunct... When using the multiline text widget from mobGUI, i cannot edit the text of the field. Plus, the field is not being deleted when navigating between screens. I am sorry to bother this list with issues that normally should have been adressed by the documentation provided by the author of mobGUI. -- Christophe Leske multimedial.de ---------------------------------------- www.multimedial.de - info at multimedial.de Hohler Strasse 17 - 51645 Gummersbach +49(0)2261-99824540 // +49(0)177-2497031 ---------------------------------------- From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sun Nov 4 13:04:39 2012 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:04:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: copying files from the engine Message-ID: <1352052279653-4656920.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi, I'm trying to copy a resource, in this case an sqlite file, from the engine into the documents directory. I have verified that fire2.sqlite is in the package contents for the compiled app. The following code is not working (nothing gets copied). Can anyone see the problem? put specialFolderPath("engine") & "/Fire2.sqlite" into engineFilePath put specialFolderPath("documents") & "/Fire2.sqlite" into tDatabasePath if there is a file engineFilePath then put URL ("binfile:" & engineFilePath) into URL ("binfile:" & tDatabasePath) end if Putting an else close to print an error msg if the file in the engine is not found results in the error msg being printed. Using a utility I wrote that can list the contents of iOS directories I can see the fire2.sqlite file in the "engine" directory. Not sure why this would not be working (probably been staring at it too long!) Thanks -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/copying-files-from-the-engine-tp4656920.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sun Nov 4 13:06:48 2012 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:06:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: copying files from the engine In-Reply-To: <1352052279653-4656920.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1352052279653-4656920.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1352052408282-4656921.post@n4.nabble.com> sorry, that should have said "else clause" not "else close" -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/copying-files-from-the-engine-tp4656920p4656921.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sun Nov 4 13:12:29 2012 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:12:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: copying files from the engine - Never mind In-Reply-To: <1352052279653-4656920.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1352052279653-4656920.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1352052749275-4656922.post@n4.nabble.com> Never mind, I just found the problem... the filename is case sensitive. Ah, the joys of syntax -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/copying-files-from-the-engine-tp4656920p4656922.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bonnmike at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 13:19:04 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:19:04 -0700 Subject: copying files from the engine In-Reply-To: <1352052408282-4656921.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1352052279653-4656920.post@n4.nabble.com> <1352052408282-4656921.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Think i'd toss an answer "doing the copy" inside your if block, and/or "put the files" of the engine folder and make sure that the capitalization is what you expect it to be. I _think_ capitalization matters on ios, I know for sure it does on android. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Mark Smith wrote: > sorry, that should have said "else clause" not "else close" > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/copying-files-from-the-engine-tp4656920p4656921.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From bonnmike at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 13:19:24 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:19:24 -0700 Subject: copying files from the engine - Never mind In-Reply-To: <1352052749275-4656922.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1352052279653-4656920.post@n4.nabble.com> <1352052749275-4656922.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: oops ignore my other answer :) On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Mark Smith wrote: > Never mind, I just found the problem... the filename is case sensitive. Ah, > the joys of syntax > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/copying-files-from-the-engine-tp4656920p4656922.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From slylabs13 at me.com Sun Nov 4 13:27:38 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 10:27:38 -0800 Subject: LC Keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AE7C594@Peas2.byu.local> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AE7C594@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <5A8C6CF0-1CDB-4CA6-98EC-B4796E58037D@me.com> Duly bookmarked thanks Devin! Very useful. Bob On Oct 31, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Devin Asay wrote: > Pete, > > A couple years ago I put one together from various sources. As far as I know it's still current (corrections gratefully accepted): > > http://livecode.byu.edu/helps/shortcuts.php > > HTH > > Devin From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sun Nov 4 14:15:14 2012 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:15:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: LC Keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AE7C594@Peas2.byu.local> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AE7C594@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <1352056514282-4656926.post@n4.nabble.com> Devin Asay wrote > A couple years ago I put one together from various sources. As far as I > know it's still current (corrections gratefully accepted): > > http://livecode.byu.edu/helps/shortcuts.php Thanks Devin. Very useful indeed. -- mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/LC-Keyboard-shortcuts-tp4656789p4656926.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 14:30:12 2012 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:30:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Psting images into LC In-Reply-To: <509692B0.7000102@multimedial.de> References: <509692B0.7000102@multimedial.de> Message-ID: <1352057412561-4656927.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Christophe, Christophe Leske wrote > I got a quick question related to images... > I was under the impression that when you paste an image onto a card, LC > would make an entry for it in the image library... > Apparently this is not the case either? I can see my pasted image on my > card, but where is it stored? Does it appear somewhere in an asset list > like in Flash or Director (cast libs, or library)? Some months ago, I asked a similar question in this mail list: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Recreating-complex-interfaces-and-or-field-formatting-on-preOpenCard-td4650198.html Back then, I wrote: -------------------------------------------------- Assembling a card on preopencard is useful for reusing the same color jpg image in different ways (as card background, with crop, with zoom, with inkeffects, in sepia tone, in black and white, etc...) in the same card. If I remember well, each different use would require import the same image many times. Or not??? -------------------------------------------------- Probably, someone posted a solution for this, and I just not noticed it or read that particular message. If this feature is really useful for you, please try, experiment and post your results for a follow up. You will be sure that many will give it a try and post their own code to make it works as expected. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Psting-images-into-LC-tp4656911p4656927.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 15:13:07 2012 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 12:13:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OT] Why you want to program at fifty... (or any other age) Message-ID: <1352059987884-4656928.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi All, Read this, after it recover from the slashdot effect: http://blog.vivekhaldar.com/post/34386970746/why-you-would-want-to-program-at-fifty-or-any-other Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Why-you-want-to-program-at-fifty-or-any-other-age-tp4656928.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 17:03:36 2012 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 14:03:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <8A5A49DF-9144-486D-A251-FD8AA08D2C95@sahores-conseil.com> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AE843EB@Peas2.byu.local> <69265ada-3ce1-e259-bc46-e880de983a95@me.com> <4398D91A-2269-42F4-9EFA-5F3DB5AA1CB8@wanadoo.fr> <50956F7C.1020106@hyperactivesw.com> <0B26548D-48B5-4928-8E21-606A12937BBE@economy-x-talk.com> <509598AB.1070804@hyperactivesw.com> <8A5A49DF-9144-486D-A251-FD8AA08D2C95@sahores-conseil.com> Message-ID: <1352066616576-4656929.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Pierre, Pierre Sahores-2 wrote > ;D > > in response to J. Landman Gay who wrote: > >> Of course. That goes without saying. But given > how long it took the guys who wrote it to reverse > their own files, I trust it. That is an interesting cliffhanger ending for this thread! But, What is your personal conclusion about the methods proposed to protect stacks? Safe or Not? Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Transitions-tp4656842p4656929.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun Nov 4 17:25:20 2012 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 14:25:20 -0800 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <1352066616576-4656929.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AE843EB@Peas2.byu.local> <69265ada-3ce1-e259-bc46-e880de983a95@me.com> <4398D91A-2269-42F4-9EFA-5F3DB5AA1CB8@wanadoo.fr> <50956F7C.1020106@hyperactivesw.com> <0B26548D-48B5-4928-8E21-606A12937BBE@economy-x-talk.com> <509598AB.1070804@hyperactivesw.com> <8A5A49DF-9144-486D-A251-FD8AA08D2C95@sahores-conseil.com> <1352066616576-4656929.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: As safe as the encryption employed. We have several choices in Livecode. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Hi Pierre, > > > Pierre Sahores-2 wrote > > ;D > > > > in response to J. Landman Gay who wrote: > > > >> Of course. That goes without saying. But given > > how long it took the guys who wrote it to reverse > > their own files, I trust it. > > That is an interesting cliffhanger ending > for this thread! > > But, What is your personal conclusion > about the methods proposed to protect > stacks? > > Safe or Not? > > Alejandro > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Transitions-tp4656842p4656929.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From dunbarx at aol.com Sun Nov 4 18:26:31 2012 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 18:26:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: htmlText oddity In-Reply-To: <95F67FC7-D4A3-41C9-BCF0-9B031AD5A08E@wanadoo.fr> References: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> <58E503DF-19F4-44D0-A2AE-AF40CCEE587B@economy-x-talk.com> <95F67FC7-D4A3-41C9-BCF0-9B031AD5A08E@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <8CF88FAF4E75655-1248-B5BB@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Make one field and one button. In the field, type a few words, and set the textstyle to one of them to "bold". In the button: on mouseUp get the htmlText of fld 1 put it answer it end mouseUp Where did the tags go? They appear in msg, and if you step through, "it" seems fine. But what did the "answer" command do to them? Craig Newman From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Nov 4 18:30:29 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 00:30:29 +0100 Subject: htmlText oddity In-Reply-To: <8CF88FAF4E75655-1248-B5BB@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> References: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> <58E503DF-19F4-44D0-A2AE-AF40CCEE587B@economy-x-talk.com> <95F67FC7-D4A3-41C9-BCF0-9B031AD5A08E@wanadoo.fr> <8CF88FAF4E75655-1248-B5BB@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7E7629F6-1440-4410-8836-E5932869FFF4@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Craig, The answer dialog window checks if the text contains html tags (must start with

and

) and if it does, it interprets it as htmlText, which makes the tags fo away :-) Try this: answer "

This is bold and this is italics

." -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 5 nov 2012, at 00:26, dunbarx at aol.com wrote: > > > Make one field and one button. In the field, type a few words, and set the textstyle to one of them to "bold". > > > In the button: > > > on mouseUp > get the htmlText of fld 1 > put it > answer it > end mouseUp > > > Where did the tags go? They appear in msg, and if you step through, "it" seems fine. > But what did the "answer" command do to them? > > > Craig Newman From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Nov 4 19:00:02 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:00:02 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> We are up to 4 funders now and about 1/5th of the way to what's required to get the first version out. What do people think about crowd funding? I'm looking at this as a test case to see if it should be a regular part of the mergExt business. The concept seems to fit with what mergExt is about. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From jhj at jhj.com Sun Nov 4 19:08:48 2012 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 16:08:48 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: I like crowd funding. If I had any use for this one, current or projected, I'd be in. .Jerry Jensen On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > We are up to 4 funders now and about 1/5th of the way to what's required to get the first version out. > > What do people think about crowd funding? I'm looking at this as a test case to see if it should be a regular part of the mergExt business. The concept seems to fit with what mergExt is about. > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sun Nov 4 19:24:37 2012 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 16:24:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <2C4A8680-BB98-4A92-80C0-22FE9A70EBFD@verizon.net> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <2C4A8680-BB98-4A92-80C0-22FE9A70EBFD@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1352075077370-4656935.post@n4.nabble.com> Colin Holgate-2 wrote > You can then look in the Dictionary for entries such as > mobileCreateControl, where you see a list of the controls that can be > made:... Colin, where is that command? I searched the LC dictionary but did not fine anything for mobileCreateControl Thanks -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/developing-for-mobile-devices-tp4656807p4656935.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Nov 4 19:26:45 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 01:26:45 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <7CC3FEE3-5464-4B4B-95E1-F46E572B9886@economy-x-talk.com> Hi, Crowd funding can be a very effective way to achieve a goal. Remember iHUG/eHUG's attempts to save HyperCard? This was financed through crowd funding. Although HyperCard wasn't saved, we did get to talk to the general director of Apple Europe Cazeneuve (now working at Bouygues Telecom Entreprises). You need to ask yourself if people are sufficiently enthusiastic about what you have to offer or if your market is big enough. Enthusiasm doesn't seem much of a problem, but your market may not be large enough to make crowd funding successful. Lets hope that a few extraordinarily enthusiastic people prove me wrong. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. > On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> We are up to 4 funders now and about 1/5th of the way to what's required to get the first version out. >> >> What do people think about crowd funding? I'm looking at this as a test case to see if it should be a regular part of the mergExt business. The concept seems to fit with what mergExt is about. >> >> Cheers >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Nov 4 19:34:28 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:34:28 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <70CA724D-F740-4623-9A3D-0ADB28BF1B97@sweattechnologies.com> On 05/11/2012, at 11:08 AM, Jerry Jensen wrote: > I like crowd funding. If I had any use for this one, current or projected, I'd be in. Great, that's really important feedback. Basically mergExt is about developing extensions for LiveCode under conditions that make it possible to share them with the community. Developing solutions for a single client and not releasing only helps the one client but it does pay the bills. Developing as a product helps everyone but I've yet to meet a LiveCode third party extension developer that is paying the bills with their product. That's where mergExt's 50-70% of feature funding coming from a client comes in. Crowd funding as an alternative to that one client seems like a good option. PS I just got 2 more funders and we're now at 2/5 of the target! Thanks -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From dunbarx at aol.com Sun Nov 4 19:32:15 2012 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 19:32:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: htmlText oddity In-Reply-To: <7E7629F6-1440-4410-8836-E5932869FFF4@economy-x-talk.com> References: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> <58E503DF-19F4-44D0-A2AE-AF40CCEE587B@economy-x-talk.com> <95F67FC7-D4A3-41C9-BCF0-9B031AD5A08E@wanadoo.fr> <8CF88FAF4E75655-1248-B5BB@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> <7E7629F6-1440-4410-8836-E5932869FFF4@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <8CF8904236E4C16-1248-BA7A@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Mark. I read about "answer" in the dictionary, and found: The prompt can be either formatted text (in the htmlText property's format) or plain text. If the prompt contains p or a start/end tag pair, the answer command text is in the same format as the htmlText Property Otherwise, the answer command assumes the text is plain text. Not sure I fully understand this, but I bet it means I don't have to add a user note to the "answer" entry. But why only "

"? And further, if you substitute "" for ","

", the answer command replies faithfully, in spite of the "contains p or a start/end tag pair" comment above, which it seems should include all such constructs, like "". Isn't that a "start/end tag pair? This is the sort of thing that could drive one nuts trying to clean up persistent errors in code. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Mark Schonewille To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:31 pm Subject: Re: htmlText oddity Hi Craig, The answer dialog window checks if the text contains html tags (must start with

and

) and if it does, it interprets it as htmlText, which makes the tags fo away :-) Try this: answer "

This is bold and this is italics

." -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 5 nov 2012, at 00:26, dunbarx at aol.com wrote: > > > Make one field and one button. In the field, type a few words, and set the textstyle to one of them to "bold". > > > In the button: > > > on mouseUp > get the htmlText of fld 1 > put it > answer it > end mouseUp > > > Where did the tags go? They appear in msg, and if you step through, "it" seems fine. > But what did the "answer" command do to them? > > > Craig Newman _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Sun Nov 4 19:32:57 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:32:57 -0500 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <1352075077370-4656935.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <2C4A8680-BB98-4A92-80C0-22FE9A70EBFD@verizon.net> <1352075077370-4656935.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <6122EFF6-4B3E-457C-8B75-5089433C2C8E@verizon.net> I seem to be syllable dyslexic. I meant mobileControlCreate. On Nov 4, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > > Colin, where is that command? I searched the LC dictionary but did not fine > anything for mobileCreateControl From pete at lcsql.com Sun Nov 4 19:39:15 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 16:39:15 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Hi Monte, I like the idea of crowd funding if it helps get a product out the door. The only problem I have with your implementation of it, and I may be misunderstanding it, is that the funders still have to pay something for what they are funding, over and above the crowd funding amount. Most of my experience with crowd funding has been with tCD, book, and movie projects, something with a tangible, finite end product which I always get for free. Software, of course, is a little different; a CD is a CD, it doesn't need to be updated or have bug fixes made to whereas software has an ongoing maintenance cost. So I recognize it's a tricky situation to deal with. I don't have a solution, just something to think about. Pete lcSQL Software On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > What do people think about crowd funding? I'm looking at this as a test > case to see if it should be a regular part of the mergExt business. The > concept seems to fit with what mergExt is about. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Nov 4 19:45:52 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:45:52 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: <7CC3FEE3-5464-4B4B-95E1-F46E572B9886@economy-x-talk.com> References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> <7CC3FEE3-5464-4B4B-95E1-F46E572B9886@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <5173BB25-0317-4BAD-9758-7751EDE6827A@sweattechnologies.com> The market size is unknown but smallish based on my experience with mergExt over the past year. On 05/11/2012, at 11:26 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > market may not be large enough to make crowd funding successful. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Nov 4 19:55:38 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 01:55:38 +0100 Subject: htmlText oddity In-Reply-To: <8CF8904236E4C16-1248-BA7A@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> References: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> <58E503DF-19F4-44D0-A2AE-AF40CCEE587B@economy-x-talk.com> <95F67FC7-D4A3-41C9-BCF0-9B031AD5A08E@wanadoo.fr> <8CF88FAF4E75655-1248-B5BB@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> <7E7629F6-1440-4410-8836-E5932869FFF4@economy-x-talk.com> <8CF8904236E4C16-1248-BA7A@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6DDAA592-C049-400E-8FBE-1B069935E87F@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Craig, I can very well imagine that this, and quite a few other esoteric peculiarities, drive you and other people nuts. Not everything is intuitive in LiveCode. (Another example of this is that the behavior of a control can only be set to the long id of a button, not to any other valid reference or to the long id of other controls). At least it has been documented in the LiveCode dictionary. Probably, it must be a pair of

tags because the htmlText property of a field always starts with

and finishes with

and it must have seemed logical to Scott Raney to use this characteristic to determine if any text is htmlText. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 5 nov 2012, at 01:32, dunbarx at aol.com wrote: > Mark. > > > I read about "answer" in the dictionary, and found: > > > > The prompt can be either formatted text (in the htmlText property's format) or plain text. If the prompt contains p or a start/end tag pair, the answer command text is in the same format as the htmlText Property Otherwise, the answer command assumes the text is plain text. > > > Not sure I fully understand this, but I bet it means I don't have to add a user note to the "answer" entry. > > > But why only "

"? And further, if you substitute "" for ","

", the answer command replies faithfully, in spite of the "contains p or a start/end tag pair" comment above, which it seems should include all such constructs, like "". Isn't that a "start/end tag pair? > > > This is the sort of thing that could drive one nuts trying to clean up persistent errors in code. > > > Craig > From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com Sun Nov 4 19:56:27 2012 From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 16:56:27 -0800 Subject: [UPDATE] Free 'Clearview' desktop clock v2.0 with Calendar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "FlexibleLearning.com" on 2 November, 2012 at 11:33 AM -0800 wrote: >Was your machine asleep at midnight Nov 1? If so, I suspect that it can only >do the check when in an 'active' state. The date below the clock is checked >every second whereas the calendar is only checked at midnight (assuming the >computer is not asleep). A more frequent calendar check is needed, but one >that does not screw up just browsing a different month. Will look into it >when I get some time. > >Meanwhile, if you select the next or previous month then return to the >current month, the display will correct itself. That was it. Mystery solved. Thanks so much for this nice little app. The one thing that I would like to see is the ability to start the week on a Sunday rather than on a Monday like every one of my other Canadian calendars. Thanks Stewart From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Nov 4 19:59:09 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:59:09 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <5D78895A-66B5-4D52-920A-1182770CAA60@sweattechnologies.com> On 05/11/2012, at 11:39 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > The only problem I have with your implementation of it, and I may be > misunderstanding it, is that the funders still have to pay something for > what they are funding, over and above the crowd funding amount. > > Most of my experience with crowd funding has been with tCD, book, and movie > projects, something with a tangible, finite end product which I always get > for free. Software, of course, is a little different; a CD is a CD, it > doesn't need to be updated or have bug fixes made to whereas software has > an ongoing maintenance cost. So I recognize it's a tricky situation to > deal with. > > I don't have a solution, just something to think about. Yes, I totally understand that. Given the size of the LiveCode community I thought it would be better to look for the equivalent of the 50-70% of funding that I use with clients rather than go for the 100+% percent of funding required if it were meant to cover complete development, support and maintenance. The other funding needs to come from somewhere though and it can only come from sales. As Mark just pointed out crowd funding into such a small market is difficult. On the up side people can pay just $10 (or more) and then get $25 off the external when released or $60 off the suite. It's all about trying to get the balance right. If the balance isn't right I simply can't afford to do it. I hope that makes sense Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From coiin at verizon.net Sun Nov 4 20:00:59 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 20:00:59 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: <5173BB25-0317-4BAD-9758-7751EDE6827A@sweattechnologies.com> References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> <7CC3FEE3-5464-4B4B-95E1-F46E572B9886@economy-x-talk.com> <5173BB25-0317-4BAD-9758-7751EDE6827A@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1E2213E1-3ED2-478F-860B-A6EB29EBF297@verizon.net> Mostly I find Game Center to be disruptive and annoying. But that has nothing to do with whether clients ask for the feature. We want as few reasons as possible for saying why LiveCode should not be the tool to use. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Nov 4 20:18:32 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:18:32 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: <1E2213E1-3ED2-478F-860B-A6EB29EBF297@verizon.net> References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> <7CC3FEE3-5464-4B4B-95E1-F46E572B9886@economy-x-talk.com> <5173BB25-0317-4BAD-9758-7751EDE6827A@sweattechnologies.com> <1E2213E1-3ED2-478F-860B-A6EB29EBF297@verizon.net> Message-ID: On 05/11/2012, at 12:00 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Mostly I find Game Center to be disruptive and annoying. But that has nothing to do with whether clients ask for the feature. We want as few reasons as possible for saying why LiveCode should not be the tool to use. That describes what mergExt is about quite well... hopefully not the disruptive and annoying part ;-) -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sun Nov 4 20:21:36 2012 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 17:21:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <6122EFF6-4B3E-457C-8B75-5089433C2C8E@verizon.net> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <2C4A8680-BB98-4A92-80C0-22FE9A70EBFD@verizon.net> <1352075077370-4656935.post@n4.nabble.com> <6122EFF6-4B3E-457C-8B75-5089433C2C8E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1352078496553-4656947.post@n4.nabble.com> Colin Holgate-2 wrote > I seem to be syllable dyslexic. I meant mobileControlCreate. Thanks, no problem ("create control", as an example of "english like" makes more sense than "control create" anyway). Its interesting that the only reference to this that I could find was in the Android Release notes (it is not mentioned in iOS or the general release notes). I took the app development academy and it wasn't mentioned there either (summer 2011) so it must be newer. This is part of the problem discussed by Chris... documentation is fragmented and all over the place. And in a rapidly changing environment, which LC is, it can be difficult to keep up with. Also, what documentation is provided in the release notes is pretty sparse. It is often sufficient to start some experimentation, but its hardly "user friendly" in terms of helping you predict what the commands are going to do, create, or even what they are good for (no pictures, for example). It looks like a useful command to know. I was wondering if you cover it in your book? Thanks -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/developing-for-mobile-devices-tp4656807p4656947.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sun Nov 4 20:41:32 2012 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 17:41:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OT] Why you want to program at fifty... (or any other age) In-Reply-To: <1352059987884-4656928.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1352059987884-4656928.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1352079692196-4656948.post@n4.nabble.com> Alejandro Tejada wrote > Hi All, > > Read this, after it recover from the slashdot effect: > http://blog.vivekhaldar.com/post/34386970746/why-you-would-want-to-program-at-fifty-or-any-other > > Alejandro Nice, thanks for posting. -- M -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Why-you-want-to-program-at-fifty-or-any-other-age-tp4656928p4656948.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From coiin at verizon.net Sun Nov 4 21:16:16 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:16:16 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> <7CC3FEE3-5464-4B4B-95E1-F46E572B9886@economy-x-talk.com> <5173BB25-0317-4BAD-9758-7751EDE6827A@sweattechnologies.com> <1E2213E1-3ED2-478F-860B-A6EB29EBF297@verizon.net> Message-ID: <99D1AD2B-DE04-4255-A531-8292B174CF6C@verizon.net> No of course not. I wouldn't hear a word spoken against MergExt! No, it's you that's disruptive and annoying... Just teasing! On Nov 4, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > That describes what mergExt is about quite well... hopefully not the disruptive and annoying part ;-) From coiin at verizon.net Sun Nov 4 21:21:19 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:21:19 -0500 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <1352078496553-4656947.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <2C4A8680-BB98-4A92-80C0-22FE9A70EBFD@verizon.net> <1352075077370-4656935.post@n4.nabble.com> <6122EFF6-4B3E-457C-8B75-5089433C2C8E@verizon.net> <1352078496553-4656947.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2B91EEDB-6717-40EC-BD3E-F25E0851AA50@verizon.net> No, I'm just not that deep! I checked, I have 97 cases of "create", and 27 pages where "create" and "control" appear, but no "controlcreate" or "createcontrol" cases. Some of these things are quite new, and you would l want to be looking in the help and release notes for v5.5.3. On Nov 4, 2012, at 8:21 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > > >It looks like a useful command to know. I was wondering if you cover it in > your book? From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Nov 4 21:30:36 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:30:36 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: <99D1AD2B-DE04-4255-A531-8292B174CF6C@verizon.net> References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> <7CC3FEE3-5464-4B4B-95E1-F46E572B9886@economy-x-talk.com> <5173BB25-0317-4BAD-9758-7751EDE6827A@sweattechnologies.com> <1E2213E1-3ED2-478F-860B-A6EB29EBF297@verizon.net> <99D1AD2B-DE04-4255-A531-8292B174CF6C@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9F0F7146-FAB8-4CEB-AC99-53450909A183@sweattechnologies.com> On 05/11/2012, at 1:16 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > No of course not. I wouldn't hear a word spoken against MergExt! No, it's you that's disruptive and annoying... > > Just teasing! Ahaha... It's funny because it's true ;-) -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From revdev at pdslabs.net Sun Nov 4 21:49:42 2012 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:49:42 -0800 Subject: htmlText oddity In-Reply-To: <8CF8904236E4C16-1248-BA7A@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> References: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> <58E503DF-19F4-44D0-A2AE-AF40CCEE587B@economy-x-talk.com> <95F67FC7-D4A3-41C9-BCF0-9B031AD5A08E@wanadoo.fr> <8CF88FAF4E75655-1248-B5BB@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> <7E7629F6-1440-4410-8836-E5932869FFF4@economy-x-talk.com> <8CF8904236E4C16-1248-BA7A@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50972946.7050400@pdslabs.net> Hi Craig, On 11/4/12 4:32 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote: > But why only "

"? And further, if you substitute "" for ","

", the answer command replies faithfully, in spite of the "contains p or a start/end tag pair" comment above, which it seems should include all such constructs, like "". Isn't that a "start/end tag pair? It's not only

. I use

tags in many dialogs to display a "can't be missed" message. Have some fun with it: answer "

What are you thinking???

Please don't do that again!" :-) -- Phil Davis From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Nov 4 21:54:05 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 20:54:05 -0600 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <1352078496553-4656947.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <2C4A8680-BB98-4A92-80C0-22FE9A70EBFD@verizon.net> <1352075077370-4656935.post@n4.nabble.com> <6122EFF6-4B3E-457C-8B75-5089433C2C8E@verizon.net> <1352078496553-4656947.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <50972A4D.3000802@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/4/12 7:21 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > This is part of the problem discussed by Chris... > documentation is fragmented and all over the place. And in a rapidly > changing environment, which LC is, it can be difficult to keep up with. > Also, what documentation is provided in the release notes is pretty sparse. All the new commands in the release notes get rolled into the dictionary when the release goes final. You can type "mobile" into the dictionary search field to see them all, and the "see also" entries usually contain useful pointers. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Nov 4 21:59:27 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 20:59:27 -0600 Subject: htmlText oddity In-Reply-To: <8CF8904236E4C16-1248-BA7A@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> References: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> <58E503DF-19F4-44D0-A2AE-AF40CCEE587B@economy-x-talk.com> <95F67FC7-D4A3-41C9-BCF0-9B031AD5A08E@wanadoo.fr> <8CF88FAF4E75655-1248-B5BB@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> <7E7629F6-1440-4410-8836-E5932869FFF4@economy-x-talk.com> <8CF8904236E4C16-1248-BA7A@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50972B8F.1040109@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/4/12 6:32 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote: > But why only "

"? And further, if you substitute "" for ","

", > the answer command replies faithfully, in spite of the "contains p or > a start/end tag pair" comment above, which it seems should include > all such constructs, like "". Isn't that a "start/end tag pair? No, but " " is a tag pair. :) The IDE was updated to allow htmltext after people complained that there was no way to use styled text in an answer dialog. There had to be some kind of convention to determine what was htmltext and what was intended symbols, so those two rules were implemented. If there is a paragraph or a tag pair (beginning and closing tags) in the text then it's html. I don't believe a closing paragraph tag is required. All other tags must have them. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Nov 4 23:03:00 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 22:03:00 -0600 Subject: Protecting stacks In-Reply-To: <1352066616576-4656929.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AE843EB@Peas2.byu.local> <69265ada-3ce1-e259-bc46-e880de983a95@me.com> <4398D91A-2269-42F4-9EFA-5F3DB5AA1CB8@wanadoo.fr> <50956F7C.1020106@hyperactivesw.com> <0B26548D-48B5-4928-8E21-606A12937BBE@economy-x-talk.com> <509598AB.1070804@hyperactivesw.com> <8A5A49DF-9144-486D-A251-FD8AA08D2C95@sahores-conseil.com> <1352066616576-4656929.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <50973A74.90802@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/4/12 4:03 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > But, What is your personal conclusion > about the methods proposed to protect > stacks? > > Safe or Not? I think it depends on how paranoid you need to be. If we disregard determined hackers who have infinite amounts of time, then I think it is possible to reasonably lock down a standalone so that the content and scripts can't be copied. Password-protecting the mainstack (and substacks) will prevent anyone seeing the scripts, property values, and other content if the stack is opened in a text editor. If all fields are locked and have tranversalOn and auto-hiliting false, and if there is no copy item in the menus, then field text cannot be copied and pasted into another app. (It may be enough to simply not allow a "copy" menu item.) Images or whole cards can always be reproduced with a screenshot and there is no way to prevent that, but that is a universal problem for any app. If you want to protect a stack that isn't a standalone, then the encryption idea should work, since only the mainstack knows how to decrypt the stack. The stack could not be opened with a copy of LiveCode. The stacks should also have all their fields and menus locked down so that text can't be copied. If there is no "copy" menu item, then objects and images couldn't be copied either. Usually that's as safe as I need to be. Others may have different requirements. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Nov 4 23:21:05 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 22:21:05 -0600 Subject: multi-line text on iOS - how? In-Reply-To: <5096A168.3070101@multimedial.de> References: <5096A01D.2080300@multimedial.de> <5096A168.3070101@multimedial.de> Message-ID: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/4/12 11:10 AM, Christophe Leske wrote: > > When using the multiline text widget from mobGUI, i cannot edit the text > of the field. Plus, the field is not being deleted when navigating > between screens. I don't use MobGUI but if I remember right, the text is contained in a property. I believe that's in the documentation. You'd edit the property. But you mentioned you only wanted to display text. You don't really need a native input object for that, do you? Isn't a plain LiveCode field enough for that? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Mon Nov 5 02:09:22 2012 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 23:09:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <50972A4D.3000802@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <2C4A8680-BB98-4A92-80C0-22FE9A70EBFD@verizon.net> <1352075077370-4656935.post@n4.nabble.com> <6122EFF6-4B3E-457C-8B75-5089433C2C8E@verizon.net> <1352078496553-4656947.post@n4.nabble.com> <50972A4D.3000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1352099362631-4656957.post@n4.nabble.com> J. Landman Gay wrote > All the new commands in the release notes get rolled into the dictionary > when the release goes final. You can type "mobile" into the dictionary > search field to see them all, and the "see also" entries usually contain > useful pointers. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | > jacque@ Good to know... thanks -- M -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/developing-for-mobile-devices-tp4656807p4656957.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From livfoss at mac.com Mon Nov 5 05:02:44 2012 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:02:44 +0100 Subject: Financial formulae In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, thanks for that - very useful. No need for an extra clean-up. You know I did search the dictionary, but never thought of something so obvious as 'annuity' or 'compound'. Well, you learn something new every day (at least I do). I need to understand a little more about the functions I have been asked for - they deal in annuities and interest, but they have more parameters than the LC 'annuity' function? all very instructive. As to Craig's suggestion about 42, I think perhaps we haven't fully understood the question - but the deadline on this project doesn't allow me to wait the requisite millions of years to deal with that issue. I'm very fond of that passage, especially the striking philosophers: "we demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty". Thanks again Graham On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:47:37 -0700, Mike Bonner wrote: > ps.. one more. Look at "annuity" in the dictionary, I didn't use it, but > could be a time saver for some things. Also the compound function. > > On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: > >> Forgot to mention. The actual calculation is done in the behavior script >> of the datagrid (form) on the left. >> ffv for future value >> amortize for amortization of course >> and boatspeed is obvious too. >> >> If its easier, I can dig out the specific handlers for the 2 financial >> functions, clean them up (get rid of dg specific stuff) and post them here. >> Now that I know more about rev/lc i'm sure there are quite a few >> improvements and optimizations to be made. >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: >> >>> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/11957935/FMM.livecode Look through that. >>> Haven't looked at it in a while, not sure if anything is broken but the >>> calcs and such should be correct. Does amortization schedule, future >>> values and estimates outboard boat speed based on prop pitch and gear >>> ratio. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:05 AM, wrote: >>> >>>> Hi. >>>> >>>> >>>> Just enter 42 in all required fields. >>>> >>>> >>>> Craig Newman >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Graham Samuel >>>> To: use-livecode >>>> Sent: Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:44 am >>>> Subject: Financial formulae >>>> >>>> >>>> Here at the unfashionable end of the galaxy, I find I have to code some >>>> financial formulae, for example for amortization (PMT and IPMT) and very >>>> probably other stuff of this kind - stuff which is available in Excel at >>>> the >>>> drop of a mouse but not AFAIK in any LC library. Of course it is just >>>> tedious >>>> work rather than anything at all cutting edge (all the fomulae are >>>> readily >>>> available), but has anyone tackled any of this already? If so I'd be >>>> happy to >>>> negotiate a small payment for the original code. Or I could just keep >>>> grinding >>>> on? and may eventually be able to put something into RevOnline myself. >>>> >>>> TIA for any offers >>>> >>>> Graham From livfoss at mac.com Mon Nov 5 05:09:49 2012 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:09:49 +0100 Subject: Missing digest downloads again Message-ID: I find I'm still missing downloads of the digest of this list: for example, this morning's use-list digest is number 6; I got number 5 yesterday, but not number 4; I got number 3 and 1 but not 2 etc. I only really notice when I see replies to stuff I've sent myself but not my original message! But of course I must be missing important stuff. AFAIK one can't re-download digests from the archive, only individual mails and (perhaps) threads. I know that this has been mentioned before. I can't see that it could be my system, so I've written to support about it, but I'd still like to know if others are still seeing it. Graham From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 06:36:29 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:36:29 +0200 Subject: [OT] Why you want to program at fifty... (or any other age) In-Reply-To: <1352059987884-4656928.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1352059987884-4656928.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5097A4BD.5000407@gmail.com> On 04/11/12 22:13, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Hi All, > > Read this, after it recover from the slashdot effect: > http://blog.vivekhaldar.com/post/34386970746/why-you-would-want-to-program-at-fifty-or-any-other > > Alejandro > > Well put. Intellectual exercise in my case, as teaching EFL to kids is hard work, but under no circs at all could it be described as 'mentally stretching'. From irog at mac.com Mon Nov 5 08:21:48 2012 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 05:21:48 -0800 Subject: Missing digest downloads again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, I was still seeing it . . . until I took Mark's advice and dumped it. Turns out getting individual emails throughout the day is not so inconvenient after all. For one thing, replying to the individual email maintains the Subject line! Regards, Roger On Nov 5, 2012, at 2:09 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: > I find I'm still missing downloads of the digest of this list: for example, this morning's use-list digest is number 6; I got number 5 yesterday, but not number 4; I got number 3 and 1 but not 2 etc. I only really notice when I see replies to stuff I've sent myself but not my original message! But of course I must be missing important stuff. AFAIK one can't re-download digests from the archive, only individual mails and (perhaps) threads. > > I know that this has been mentioned before. I can't see that it could be my system, so I've written to support about it, but I'd still like to know if others are still seeing it. > > Graham From pete at lcsql.com Mon Nov 5 12:15:16 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 09:15:16 -0800 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <1352099362631-4656957.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <2C4A8680-BB98-4A92-80C0-22FE9A70EBFD@verizon.net> <1352075077370-4656935.post@n4.nabble.com> <6122EFF6-4B3E-457C-8B75-5089433C2C8E@verizon.net> <1352078496553-4656947.post@n4.nabble.com> <50972A4D.3000802@hyperactivesw.com> <1352099362631-4656957.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I'd like to give a plug for Bjornke's BvG Docu 2 plugin here. It provides much more powerful dictionary search capabilities and often turns up references to entries which you won't find through the normal dictionary search mechanisms. Check it out at http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu Pete lcSQL Software On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > J. Landman Gay wrote > > All the new commands in the release notes get rolled into the dictionary > > when the release goes final. You can type "mobile" into the dictionary > > search field to see them all, and the "see also" entries usually contain > > useful pointers. > > > > -- > > Jacqueline Landman Gay | > > > jacque@ > > > Good to know... thanks > > -- M > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/developing-for-mobile-devices-tp4656807p4656957.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From benr_mc at cogapp.com Mon Nov 5 13:01:01 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:01:01 +0000 Subject: iOS (and Android) - register to open certain file-types? In-Reply-To: <527AC4AE-E9D9-4414-B45D-02039B3AD369@sweattechnologies.com> References: <5093FAC8.8030902@cogapp.com> <50940012.4060209@fourthworld.com> <50940224.1090800@cogapp.com> <527AC4AE-E9D9-4414-B45D-02039B3AD369@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <5097FEDD.9030007@cogapp.com> On 02/11/2012 20:40, Monte Goulding wrote: > Refer to this for the plist changes you need to make: > http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/FileManagement/Conceptual/DocumentInteraction_TopicsForIOS/Articles/RegisteringtheFileTypesYourAppSupports.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010411-SW1 > > To edit the plist you need to find it inside the LiveCode app bundle. Thanks Monte, that works. For the benefit of future thread-readers, some tips it took me a while to figure out: a) The above linked doc from apple refers to adding a CFBundleDocumentTypes array to your plist. In the plist for a MacOS application, a CFBundleDocumentTypes array can include CFBundleTypeExtensions array listing file extensions. However, using that same array in the iOS plist doesn't work. Instead, you need to add a UTExportedTypeDeclarations array to the plist, which links file extensions to UTTypeIdentifiers; then you can add the CFBundleDocumentTypes array with a CFBundleTypeName referencing the UTTypeIdentifier. b) If you do all that - then the other bit you need to know is to handle the "urlWakeUp" message - that's where your iOS app will get the file reference. Fortunately, Monte introduced me to that message just a couple of days ago on a separate thread! Ben From shawnlivecode at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 13:35:43 2012 From: shawnlivecode at gmail.com (Shawn Blc) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:35:43 -0600 Subject: SplitView Message-ID: How do you create a splitview in LC for ipad development? Searched the dictionary and didn't see anything on it. From jmyepes at mac.com Mon Nov 5 14:40:22 2012 From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep M Yepes) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:40:22 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Monte, 5 funders! I just send my contribution to the project... Salut, Josep M > > > > We are up to 4 funders now and about 1/5th of the way to what's required to get the first version out. > > What do people think about crowd funding? I'm looking at this as a test case to see if it should be a regular part of the mergExt business. The concept seems to fit with what mergExt is about. > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Nov 5 14:42:11 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 06:42:11 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: We are now up to 7 funders and half way there! -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 05/11/2012, at 11:00 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > We are up to 4 funders now and about 1/5th of the way to what's required to get the first version out. From benr_mc at cogapp.com Mon Nov 5 14:51:43 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:51:43 +0000 Subject: Getting user's mobile number (mobileAdCreate)? Message-ID: <509818CF.9040707@cogapp.com> I came across this in the documentation for mobileAdCreate: one of the parameters is described as: phone number - The user's mobile number (MSISDN format with international prefix). Is there a way for the app to get this? Or is this a hangover from the early days of the wild west? Ben From pete at lcsql.com Mon Nov 5 15:45:49 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:45:49 -0800 Subject: htmlText oddity In-Reply-To: <6DDAA592-C049-400E-8FBE-1B069935E87F@economy-x-talk.com> References: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> <58E503DF-19F4-44D0-A2AE-AF40CCEE587B@economy-x-talk.com> <95F67FC7-D4A3-41C9-BCF0-9B031AD5A08E@wanadoo.fr> <8CF88FAF4E75655-1248-B5BB@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> <7E7629F6-1440-4410-8836-E5932869FFF4@economy-x-talk.com> <8CF8904236E4C16-1248-BA7A@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> <6DDAA592-C049-400E-8FBE-1B069935E87F@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark, Is this really true (the part about long IDs not the part of buttons only)? I have been using behaviors in the general form - button ID 1234 of stack "xyz" - for quite a long time now and they seem to work fine. Am I setting myself up for trouble down the line? Pete lcSQL Software On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > I can very well imagine that this, and quite a few other esoteric > peculiarities, drive you and other people nuts. Not everything is intuitive > in LiveCode. (Another example of this is that the behavior of a control > can only be set to the long id of a button, not to any other valid > reference or to the long id of other controls). > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Nov 5 16:39:34 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 22:39:34 +0100 Subject: htmlText oddity In-Reply-To: References: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> <58E503DF-19F4-44D0-A2AE-AF40CCEE587B@economy-x-talk.com> <95F67FC7-D4A3-41C9-BCF0-9B031AD5A08E@wanadoo.fr> <8CF88FAF4E75655-1248-B5BB@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> <7E7629F6-1440-4410-8836-E5932869FFF4@economy-x-talk.com> <8CF8904236E4C16-1248-BA7A@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> <6DDAA592-C049-400E-8FBE-1B069935E87F@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Sorry for the confusion. There are a few forms that you can't use, but apparently there are also several ways that you can't use. I was wrong saying that you can _only_ use long id's. The forms that I can't get to work are: button "Text" button 2 of cd 1 button "Some Button" of cd id 1002 but it seems that as long as you include a reference to the stack, it will work fine. If you set a reference by script and it doesn't work, you get an execution error, but if you try this in the property inspector, you don't see any warning at all and might be left thinking that the property inspector doesn't work correctly or that you selected the wrong control before setting the property, while in reality you had the reference wrong. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 5 nov 2012, at 21:45, Peter Haworth wrote: > Hi Mark, > Is this really true (the part about long IDs not the part of buttons only)? > > I have been using behaviors in the general form - button ID 1234 of stack > "xyz" - for quite a long time now and they seem to work fine. Am I setting > myself up for trouble down the line? > > Pete > lcSQL Software > From pete at lcsql.com Mon Nov 5 17:01:26 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:01:26 -0800 Subject: htmlText oddity In-Reply-To: References: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> <58E503DF-19F4-44D0-A2AE-AF40CCEE587B@economy-x-talk.com> <95F67FC7-D4A3-41C9-BCF0-9B031AD5A08E@wanadoo.fr> <8CF88FAF4E75655-1248-B5BB@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> <7E7629F6-1440-4410-8836-E5932869FFF4@economy-x-talk.com> <8CF8904236E4C16-1248-BA7A@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> <6DDAA592-C049-400E-8FBE-1B069935E87F@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the clarification Mark. Pete Pete lcSQL Software On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Sorry for the confusion. There are a few forms that you can't use, but > apparently there are also several ways that you can't use. I was wrong > saying that you can _only_ use long id's. The forms that I can't get to > work are: > > button "Text" > button 2 of cd 1 > button "Some Button" of cd id 1002 > > but it seems that as long as you include a reference to the stack, it will > work fine. If you set a reference by script and it doesn't work, you get an > execution error, but if you try this in the property inspector, you don't > see any warning at all and might be left thinking that the property > inspector doesn't work correctly or that you selected the wrong control > before setting the property, while in reality you had the reference wrong. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour > spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > > We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. > > > > > On 5 nov 2012, at 21:45, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > Hi Mark, > > Is this really true (the part about long IDs not the part of buttons > only)? > > > > I have been using behaviors in the general form - button ID 1234 of > stack > > "xyz" - for quite a long time now and they seem to work fine. Am I > setting > > myself up for trouble down the line? > > > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon Nov 5 17:39:56 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:39:56 -0500 Subject: 4th generation iPad In-Reply-To: <7225C101-8ACC-43E2-B086-EB72B38C58A0@mac.com> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <7E058948-D4A1-4E27-AA76-63B7FD7E5CBE@verizon.net> <3E2D69C0-8532-441F-ACE0-A51D06E899D0@mac.com> <5D8BC2B9-B303-4C5C-9CAB-0E7810AE6444@verizon.net> <7225C101-8ACC-43E2-B086-EB72B38C58A0@mac.com> Message-ID: <922DD282-E496-482C-A1EE-A8ABABE80F18@mac.com> I am having similar problems with other visual effects in my recent app. The effects are not consistent or just stopped working. Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Celeste Helling wrote: > This is getting close! I added it to preOpenStack like this: > > on preOpenStack > set the acceleratedRendering of this stack to true > iphoneSetRedrawInterval 1 > end preOpenStack > > The first test in the simulator, the first card had the transition. However no subsequent card did. Now the visual effect isn't working on any card transition. Will this need to be set on each card? > > Thanks for your help Colin! > > Celeste > > > On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> Do you have iphoneSetRedrawInterval set to 1? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Nov 5 17:49:56 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:49:56 -0800 Subject: htmlText oddity In-Reply-To: References: <0F5C1B8C-1F36-4CF9-9BF9-92ED5368E7D5@wanadoo.fr> <58E503DF-19F4-44D0-A2AE-AF40CCEE587B@economy-x-talk.com> <95F67FC7-D4A3-41C9-BCF0-9B031AD5A08E@wanadoo.fr> <8CF88FAF4E75655-1248-B5BB@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> <7E7629F6-1440-4410-8836-E5932869FFF4@economy-x-talk.com> <8CF8904236E4C16-1248-BA7A@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> <6DDAA592-C049-400E-8FBE-1B069935E87F@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <1351668446562.20121105144956@ahsoftware.net> Mark- Behaviors are actually stored as "rugged" ids. They're almost the same as long ids, with the path to the disk file replaced with the name of the stack. Thus you can set the behavior of an object with either button id 1007 of stack "/Users/Gumby/Documents/ArtClokey.rev" button id 1007 of stack "Pokey" -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From Hakan at Exformedia.se Mon Nov 5 18:09:32 2012 From: Hakan at Exformedia.se (Hakan at Exformedia.se) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 00:09:32 +0100 Subject: SplitView In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <827DC902-A181-4195-AE6D-F12C7A632355@Exformedia.se> There is no "native" split view in Livecode (at the moment), but, you can create the "same thing" by creating your layout with the list to the left and the content to the right. You can create your list as a background group and place it on every content card. :-H?kan 5 nov 2012 kl. 19:35 skrev Shawn Blc: > How do you create a splitview in LC for ipad development? Searched the > dictionary and didn't see anything on it. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Nov 5 18:20:06 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:20:06 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1CB9C8E5-D88B-4C44-B50A-A422CB8C01CC@sweattechnologies.com> Another couple of funders chipped in today so we are now 60% funded. On 06/11/2012, at 6:42 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > We are now up to 7 funders and half way there! -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From info at multimedial.de Tue Nov 6 04:31:06 2012 From: info at multimedial.de (Christophe Leske) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 10:31:06 +0100 Subject: developing for mobile devices In-Reply-To: <50972A4D.3000802@hyperactivesw.com> References: <509261DB.2010601@multimedial.de> <1351788898762-4656810.post@n4.nabble.com> <50D24B17-5FA3-47F9-A844-4F0E9D664339@verizon.net> <1A6C5BE2-C413-4380-BB2B-3B292247318C@multimedial.de> <5093B447.1060807@multimedial.de> <2C4A8680-BB98-4A92-80C0-22FE9A70EBFD@verizon.net> <1352075077370-4656935.post@n4.nabble.com> <6122EFF6-4B3E-457C-8B75-5089433C2C8E@verizon.net> <1352078496553-4656947.post@n4.nabble.com> <50972A4D.3000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <5098D8DA.1060800@multimedial.de> Am 05.11.12 03:54, schrieb J. Landman Gay: > On 11/4/12 7:21 PM, Mark Smith wrote: >> This is part of the problem discussed by Chris... >> documentation is fragmented and all over the place. And in a rapidly >> changing environment, which LC is, it can be difficult to keep up with. >> Also, what documentation is provided in the release notes is pretty >> sparse. > > All the new commands in the release notes get rolled into the > dictionary when the release goes final. You can type "mobile" into the > dictionary search field to see them all, and the "see also" entries > usually contain useful pointers. > JUst wanted to add that I had indeed a look at the Release Notes as suggested by Colin Holgate - and it answered pretty much all of my questions. I usually just glance over these documents... To call this Release Notes is slightly underwhelming, this IS the mobile development documentation in its own rights. I also found my spinner in there (when loading things), heck, there is even support for a spinner dialog! I am happy as Larry now, however happy he was... Greets, -- Christophe Leske multimedial.de ---------------------------------------- www.multimedial.de - info at multimedial.de Hohler Strasse 17 - 51645 Gummersbach +49(0)2261-99824540 // +49(0)177-2497031 ---------------------------------------- From benr_mc at cogapp.com Tue Nov 6 04:52:02 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:52:02 +0000 Subject: You can't search this - redirecting 'put' Message-ID: <5098DDC2.7060203@cogapp.com> At least it's defeated my searching attempts, because 'put' appears in so many contributions on this list (also 'input' and 'output'). Somewhere in the cobwebs of my brain, I'm convinced that I recently read - probably on this list - about the possibility of redefining "put" without a parameter, so that it goes somewhere other than the message window. But where?? TIA, Ben From benr_mc at cogapp.com Tue Nov 6 05:18:12 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 10:18:12 +0000 Subject: You can't search this - redirecting 'put' In-Reply-To: <5098DDC2.7060203@cogapp.com> References: <5098DDC2.7060203@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <5098E3E4.6040506@cogapp.com> Err.. I meant "put without a container", obviously... On 06/11/2012 09:52, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > At least it's defeated my searching attempts, because 'put' appears in so many > contributions on this list (also 'input' and 'output'). > > Somewhere in the cobwebs of my brain, I'm convinced that I recently read - > probably on this list - about the possibility of redefining "put" without a > parameter, so that it goes somewhere other than the message window. But where?? > > TIA, > > Ben From th.douez at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 05:39:38 2012 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 11:39:38 +0100 Subject: You can't search this - redirecting 'put' In-Reply-To: <5098E3E4.6040506@cogapp.com> References: <5098DDC2.7060203@cogapp.com> <5098E3E4.6040506@cogapp.com> Message-ID: Hi Ben, Is this what you are looking for? http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Explicit-Variables-again-tp4656491p4656534.html HTH, Thierry 2012/11/6 Ben Rubinstein : > Err.. I meant "put without a container", obviously... > > > On 06/11/2012 09:52, Ben Rubinstein wrote: >> >> At least it's defeated my searching attempts, because 'put' appears in so >> many >> contributions on this list (also 'input' and 'output'). >> >> Somewhere in the cobwebs of my brain, I'm convinced that I recently read - >> probably on this list - about the possibility of redefining "put" without >> a >> parameter, so that it goes somewhere other than the message window. But >> where?? >> >> TIA, >> >> Ben > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From benr_mc at cogapp.com Tue Nov 6 06:05:17 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:05:17 +0000 Subject: You can't search this - redirecting 'put' In-Reply-To: References: <5098DDC2.7060203@cogapp.com> <5098E3E4.6040506@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <5098EEED.9040904@cogapp.com> That's it - thanks Thierry! Ben On 06/11/2012 10:39, Thierry Douez wrote: > Hi Ben, > > Is this what you are looking for? > > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Explicit-Variables-again-tp4656491p4656534.html > > > HTH, > > Thierry > > 2012/11/6 Ben Rubinstein : >> Err.. I meant "put without a container", obviously... >> >> >> On 06/11/2012 09:52, Ben Rubinstein wrote: >>> >>> At least it's defeated my searching attempts, because 'put' appears in so >>> many >>> contributions on this list (also 'input' and 'output'). >>> >>> Somewhere in the cobwebs of my brain, I'm convinced that I recently read - >>> probably on this list - about the possibility of redefining "put" without >>> a >>> parameter, so that it goes somewhere other than the message window. But >>> where?? >>> >>> TIA, >>> >>> Ben From mikekann at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 09:52:32 2012 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 06:52:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Jacqueline From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Tue Nov 6 09:56:08 2012 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 09:56:08 -0500 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I agree! I'm writing her in. ;-) ~Roger On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > Jacqueline > > From dirk.cleenwerck at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 09:57:49 2012 From: dirk.cleenwerck at gmail.com (dirk cleenwerck) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:57:49 +0100 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: References: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: President of what? ;) Dirk (from Belgium, not the US) On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > I agree! I'm writing her in. ;-) > > ~Roger > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > > > Jacqueline > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mikekann at yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 10:02:30 2012 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 07:02:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1352214150.58363.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Everything --- On Tue, 11/6/12, dirk cleenwerck wrote: From: dirk cleenwerck Subject: Re: My Choice for President To: "How to use LiveCode" Date: Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 8:57 AM President of what? ;) Dirk (from Belgium, not the US) On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > I agree!? I'm writing her in.? ;-) > > ~Roger > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > > > Jacqueline > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From andrew at ctech.me Tue Nov 6 10:22:18 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 09:22:18 -0600 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BANN=5D_Free_=22Kochi_Mini_SVN=22_a_very_simple_=22Versi?= =?windows-1252?Q?on_Control_System=94_for_LiveCode?= In-Reply-To: <1351977232119-4656900.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <7348CEF4-BC3A-42D0-A838-4335078301A0@id.uzh.ch> <1351977232119-4656900.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Works Great with Livecode 4.6.4 and 5.5.2 on windows 7 running on metal On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 4:13 PM, AndyP wrote: > Hi Rolf. > > Thanks for your hard work. > > Installed and tested in 5.5.3 Build 1497 on Win 7 Home Premium. All working > great. > > > > > > ----- > Andy Piddock > > > My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. > PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / finder. > http://www.pointandsee.co.uk - made with LiveCode > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Free-Kochi-Mini-SVN-a-very-simple-Version-Control-System-for-LiveCode-tp4656881p4656900.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From toolbook at kestner.de Tue Nov 6 10:45:38 2012 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:45:38 +0100 Subject: AW: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <1352214150.58363.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1352214150.58363.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009001cdbc35$c5d98d30$518ca790$@de> *like* > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im > Auftrag von Michael Kann > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. November 2012 16:03 > An: How to use LiveCode > Betreff: Re: My Choice for President > > Everything > > --- On Tue, 11/6/12, dirk cleenwerck wrote: > > From: dirk cleenwerck > Subject: Re: My Choice for President > To: "How to use LiveCode" > Date: Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 8:57 AM > > President of what? ;) > > Dirk > (from Belgium, not the US) > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Roger Eller > wrote: > > > I agree!? I'm writing her in.? ;-) > > > > ~Roger > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > > > > > Jacqueline > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Tue Nov 6 10:54:23 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:54:23 -0500 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01cdbc36$fdccdd90$f96698b0$@net> I'm writing in. I am undecided. It's between Colin and Jacque. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kann Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:53 AM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: My Choice for President Jacqueline _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Tue Nov 6 11:09:02 2012 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:09:02 +0100 Subject: is it possible to zoom in an iOS browser control? Message-ID: <4A37B123-25B4-4251-8F56-D4EB0A80796C@m-r-d.de> Hi, is there a way to zoom the content of an ios browser control? On Android i am able to zoom in/out the browser content in my livecode app. Is there such a possibility under ios also? Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- "Life is too short for boring code" From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Nov 6 11:18:00 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:18:00 +0100 Subject: is it possible to zoom in an iOS browser control? In-Reply-To: <4A37B123-25B4-4251-8F56-D4EB0A80796C@m-r-d.de> References: <4A37B123-25B4-4251-8F56-D4EB0A80796C@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <7BADD990-516E-4477-8DAA-C0F0BFB84C7F@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Matthias, I don't know about the iOS browser control (I'd think it is possible), but in Safari, you can add a meta tag with viewport properties. One of the properties is initial-scale. You can set this to a larger scale, e.g. 2.0. Zooming by hand is possible of the user-scalable property is yes. If your website is a PHP or iRev website, you can include a parameter in the URL to determine the initial scale and change the scale of the website dynamically. More info about the viewport properties is on Apple's website at http://qery.us/39i -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 6 nov 2012, at 17:09, Matthias Rebbe wrote: > Hi, > > is there a way to zoom the content of an ios browser control? > On Android i am able to zoom in/out the browser content in my livecode app. > Is there such a possibility under ios also? > > Regards, > > Matthias > -- > Matthias Rebbe > matthias (at) rebbe.tk > Tel +49.5741.310000 > Tel +49.160.5504462 > -- > "Life is too short for boring code" > From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Tue Nov 6 11:18:35 2012 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:18:35 +0000 Subject: is it possible to zoom in an iOS browser control? In-Reply-To: <4A37B123-25B4-4251-8F56-D4EB0A80796C@m-r-d.de> References: <4A37B123-25B4-4251-8F56-D4EB0A80796C@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: Pinch.. > From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de > Subject: is it possible to zoom in an iOS browser control? > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:09:02 +0100 > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Hi, > > is there a way to zoom the content of an ios browser control? > On Android i am able to zoom in/out the browser content in my livecode app. > Is there such a possibility under ios also? > > Regards, > > Matthias > -- > Matthias Rebbe > matthias (at) rebbe.tk > Tel +49.5741.310000 > Tel +49.160.5504462 > -- > "Life is too short for boring code" > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Tue Nov 6 11:52:37 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:52:37 -0500 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <001b01cdbc36$fdccdd90$f96698b0$@net> References: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cdbc36$fdccdd90$f96698b0$@net> Message-ID: <55DFCBBB-692C-47D9-AEE5-7AAD362ECF29@verizon.net> In my defense, I would just like to say that I inherited a bad economy from Craig? On Nov 6, 2012, at 10:54 AM, "Ralph DiMola" wrote: > >I'm writing in. I am undecided. It's between Colin and Jacque. From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Tue Nov 6 11:54:08 2012 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:54:08 +0100 Subject: is it possible to zoom in an iOS browser control? In-Reply-To: <7BADD990-516E-4477-8DAA-C0F0BFB84C7F@economy-x-talk.com> References: <4A37B123-25B4-4251-8F56-D4EB0A80796C@m-r-d.de> <7BADD990-516E-4477-8DAA-C0F0BFB84C7F@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <96DA036D-E345-4D9D-B80F-EBF3B4A44DF4@m-r-d.de> Mark, thanks. I will look at it. Regards Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- "Life is too short for boring code" Am 06.11.2012 um 17:18 schrieb Mark Schonewille : > Hi Matthias, > > I don't know about the iOS browser control (I'd think it is possible), but in Safari, you can add a meta tag with viewport properties. One of the properties is initial-scale. You can set this to a larger scale, e.g. 2.0. Zooming by hand is possible of the user-scalable property is yes. If your website is a PHP or iRev website, you can include a parameter in the URL to determine the initial scale and change the scale of the website dynamically. More info about the viewport properties is on Apple's website at http://qery.us/39i > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > > We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. > > > > > On 6 nov 2012, at 17:09, Matthias Rebbe wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> is there a way to zoom the content of an ios browser control? >> On Android i am able to zoom in/out the browser content in my livecode app. >> Is there such a possibility under ios also? >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> -- >> Matthias Rebbe >> matthias (at) rebbe.tk >> Tel +49.5741.310000 >> Tel +49.160.5504462 >> -- >> "Life is too short for boring code" >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Tue Nov 6 12:18:26 2012 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 18:18:26 +0100 Subject: is it possible to zoom in an iOS browser control? In-Reply-To: References: <4A37B123-25B4-4251-8F56-D4EB0A80796C@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <0FD4F5E7-0D60-4C84-B925-6F765E0A93AD@m-r-d.de> Hi John. I know, but was wondering what i do have to change that i can zoom the browser content. Found out now, that i have to resize the rect of the browser control to get the content resized. Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- "Life is too short for boring code" Am 06.11.2012 um 17:18 schrieb John Dixon : > > > Pinch.. > >> From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de >> Subject: is it possible to zoom in an iOS browser control? >> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:09:02 +0100 >> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> >> Hi, >> >> is there a way to zoom the content of an ios browser control? >> On Android i am able to zoom in/out the browser content in my livecode app. >> Is there such a possibility under ios also? >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> -- >> Matthias Rebbe >> matthias (at) rebbe.tk >> Tel +49.5741.310000 >> Tel +49.160.5504462 >> -- >> "Life is too short for boring code" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 6 12:30:17 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:30:17 -0600 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50994929.80005@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/6/12 8:52 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > Jacqueline Whether or not I win, it is an historic moment that so many of you are willing to support a female Gay nominee. Thank you. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From dunbarx at aol.com Tue Nov 6 12:48:10 2012 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 12:48:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <55DFCBBB-692C-47D9-AEE5-7AAD362ECF29@verizon.net> References: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cdbc36$fdccdd90$f96698b0$@net> <55DFCBBB-692C-47D9-AEE5-7AAD362ECF29@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8CF8A5E04F24B5D-73C-19ABD@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> In my cups, I must say that I had to get rid of it somewhere, so I foisted it on the guy with the oddest accent. -----Original Message----- From: Colin Holgate To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:53 am Subject: Re: My Choice for President In my defense, I would just like to say that I inherited a bad economy from Craig? On Nov 6, 2012, at 10:54 AM, "Ralph DiMola" wrote: > >I'm writing in. I am undecided. It's between Colin and Jacque. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From benr_mc at cogapp.com Tue Nov 6 12:50:57 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:50:57 +0000 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <8CF8A5E04F24B5D-73C-19ABD@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> References: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cdbc36$fdccdd90$f96698b0$@net> <55DFCBBB-692C-47D9-AEE5-7AAD362ECF29@verizon.net> <8CF8A5E04F24B5D-73C-19ABD@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50994E01.7060601@cogapp.com> On 06/11/2012 17:48, dunbarx at aol.com wrote: > In my cups, I must say that I had to get rid of it somewhere, so I foisted it on the guy with the oddest accent. So how did Colin end up with it? From irog at mac.com Tue Nov 6 12:55:36 2012 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:55:36 -0800 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <50994929.80005@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <50994929.80005@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: As a male guay, I urge your support of Jacque as well! On Nov 6, 2012, at 9:30 AM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > On 11/6/12 8:52 AM, Michael Kann wrote: >> Jacqueline > > Whether or not I win, it is an historic moment that so many of you are willing to support a female Gay nominee. Thank you. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Tue Nov 6 12:56:30 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:56:30 -0500 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <50994E01.7060601@cogapp.com> References: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cdbc36$fdccdd90$f96698b0$@net> <55DFCBBB-692C-47D9-AEE5-7AAD362ECF29@verizon.net> <8CF8A5E04F24B5D-73C-19ABD@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> <50994E01.7060601@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <92B79B9B-5018-4275-A3C1-84610B0DC129@verizon.net> Craig may not know that you're English too. My accent is somewhat neutralized from being here, so I'm sure he would think your accent is stranger than mine. On Nov 6, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: >> In my cups, I must say that I had to get rid of it somewhere, so I foisted it on the guy with the oddest accent. > > So how did Colin end up with it? > From benr_mc at cogapp.com Tue Nov 6 13:03:22 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:03:22 +0000 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <92B79B9B-5018-4275-A3C1-84610B0DC129@verizon.net> References: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cdbc36$fdccdd90$f96698b0$@net> <55DFCBBB-692C-47D9-AEE5-7AAD362ECF29@verizon.net> <8CF8A5E04F24B5D-73C-19ABD@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> <50994E01.7060601@cogapp.com> <92B79B9B-5018-4275-A3C1-84610B0DC129@verizon.net> Message-ID: <509950EA.9070102@cogapp.com> Gor blimey Colin, you've only gone and blown my bleeding cover, aincha? On 06/11/2012 17:56, Colin Holgate wrote: > Craig may not know that you're English too. My accent is somewhat neutralized from being here, so I'm sure he would think your accent is stranger than mine. > > > On Nov 6, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > >>> In my cups, I must say that I had to get rid of it somewhere, so I foisted it on the guy with the oddest accent. >> >> So how did Colin end up with it? >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 6 13:57:52 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:57:52 -0600 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <92B79B9B-5018-4275-A3C1-84610B0DC129@verizon.net> References: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cdbc36$fdccdd90$f96698b0$@net> <55DFCBBB-692C-47D9-AEE5-7AAD362ECF29@verizon.net> <8CF8A5E04F24B5D-73C-19ABD@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> <50994E01.7060601@cogapp.com> <92B79B9B-5018-4275-A3C1-84610B0DC129@verizon.net> Message-ID: <50995DB0.3080105@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/6/12 11:56 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Craig may not know that you're English too. My accent is somewhat > neutralized from being here, so I'm sure he would think your accent > is stranger than mine. Clearly none of you have ever spoken with some of our Scottish RR engineers. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From larsbrehmer at me.com Tue Nov 6 15:34:18 2012 From: larsbrehmer at me.com (Lars Brehmer) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 22:34:18 +0200 Subject: General question about Animation Engine (and more) Message-ID: <6CED547D-DD56-468F-A913-42962D2131DA@me.com> I was wondering about animation engine. I am making an iPad app, which seems to function very well if a tiny bit slow, which is acceptable. The exception is moving groups or images. I am assuming that with the added liveCode engine and everything liveCode entails, liveCode apps will always be a little bit slower than native Xcode apps. Which for my app is fine. But with the retina display, some image files are quite large, and move grp "a" from w,x to y,z is extremely slow and very jerky at best. I am now trying visual effect "wipe up/down/left/right" and it is much better, really smooth in fact. But I do like the sliding movement better, so will want to try it again in the future. My question is this; Can animation engine accomplish this? Smooth, fast movement of a group containing a fairly large image? If not, with large images, how about small ones, because I have those too. I have downloaded AE, knowing full well that scripting it is beyond my skills. I searched for hours for tutorials and/or example stacks and found nothing. In the live code forum, people have mentioned AE tutorials by Malte Brill. Someone said it was included in the AE download, but I don't have it, and where it is mentioned, there is never a link. I looked on the derbrill website and couldn't find it there either. There is only one simple thing I would like to do with AE (no collision detection, no moving multiple objects etc) I just want to move an object along a simple path, resize it while in motion and maybe rotate it a bit. Deleting an eMail on the iPad has pretty much the effect I am looking for. I think if a had a sample stack with such an animation, I could play with the path, size, speed, rotation parameters to achieve what I want. Anyone know of such a stack or tutorial? Now to the "more" A couple of code lines I took straight from the liveCode dictionary don't work for me (yet), so I must (as usual;-) be missing something 1. set the beepSound to "system" - I never get a beep on my iPad, which certainly has a beep in the systen settings! (this is in the openStack handler) 2. iPhoneSetKeyboardReturnKey "done" or mobileSetKeyboardReturnKey "done" - I only ever see the default return key. iPhoneSetKeyboardType "numeric" or mobileSetKeyboardType "numeric" - I only ever see the default alphabet keyboard. These two are in scripts a few lines before the keyboard is activated, like the dictionary says, but no joy. Some of you may remember I was trying to have groups slide up with the keyboard. While I have not got that to work, I do know by testing that the "on keyboardActivated" handler functions as expected. But the "on keyboardDeactivated" handler does nothing (yet.) I tested this by; on keyboardActivated put "something" into fld "test" end keyboardActivated and then on keyboardDeactivated --put "nothing" into fld "test" - the "something" showed up, but the "nothing" did not! end keyboardDeactivated For now I have given up on the sliding together thing, replacing it with visual effects or in some cases just repositioning a group just before or after keyboard activation. Not my first choice but it looks pretty good. However in one single case I need keyboardDeactivated in case the "keyboard down" button on the bottom right of the keyboard is touched while the group in question is at its keyboard activated position. What am I doing wrong? Cheers, Lars From mpetrides at earthlink.net Tue Nov 6 16:05:27 2012 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides, M.D.) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:05:27 -0600 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <50994929.80005@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <50994929.80005@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <24BF4E76-6F3D-4B70-8069-D01C68ED69A4@earthlink.net> Clever, very clever! On Nov 6, 2012, at 11:30 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Whether or not I win, it is an historic moment that so many of you are willing to support a female Gay nominee. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Nov 6 17:07:44 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:07:44 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: <1CB9C8E5-D88B-4C44-B50A-A422CB8C01CC@sweattechnologies.com> References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> <1CB9C8E5-D88B-4C44-B50A-A422CB8C01CC@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <26E76FFB-F235-455A-BA7F-704EA142F671@sweattechnologies.com> Now up to 12 funders and just tipping the 80% funded mark. On 06/11/2012, at 10:20 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Another couple of funders chipped in today so we are now 60% funded. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Nov 6 17:21:04 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:21:04 -0800 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <50995DB0.3080105@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cdbc36$fdccdd90$f96698b0$@net> <55DFCBBB-692C-47D9-AEE5-7AAD362ECF29@verizon.net> <8CF8A5E04F24B5D-73C-19ABD@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> <50994E01.7060601@cogapp.com> <92B79B9B-5018-4275-A3C1-84610B0DC129@verizon.net> <50995DB0.3080105@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1261753114453.20121106142104@ahsoftware.net> Jacque- Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 10:57:52 AM, you wrote: > Clearly none of you have ever spoken with some of our Scottish RR engineers. I can't even say RR without laughing. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue Nov 6 18:09:19 2012 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 23:09:19 +0000 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <1261753114453.20121106142104@ahsoftware.net> References: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cdbc36$fdccdd90$f96698b0$@net> <55DFCBBB-692C-47D9-AEE5-7AAD362ECF29@verizon.net> <8CF8A5E04F24B5D-73C-19ABD@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> <50994E01.7060601@cogapp.com> <92B79B9B-5018-4275-A3C1-84610B0DC129@verizon.net> <50995DB0.3080105@hyperactivesw.com> <1261753114453.20121106142104@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AE8C985@Peas2.byu.local> On Nov 6, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jacque- > > Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 10:57:52 AM, you wrote: > >> Clearly none of you have ever spoken with some of our Scottish RR engineers. > > I can't even say RR without laughing. LOL! I mean RRRRR! Devin Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From revolution at derbrill.de Tue Nov 6 18:50:10 2012 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 00:50:10 +0100 Subject: General question about Animation Engine (and more) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lars, The old ebook I wrote went the way of the Dodo after being burgled I am afraid. The info that was collected in the old docs stack (AE <5) went into the Pdf. If anyone still has that stack, please do feel free to upload it somewhere. That said, here are 2 elder stacks to get you started: http://derbrill.de/revstack/thingy.rev http://derbrill.de/revstack/AEDrag.rev Both need animationEngine in use to run. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to ask. All the best, Malte From slylabs13 at me.com Tue Nov 6 19:13:08 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:13:08 -0800 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <1352214150.58363.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1352214150.58363.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <33A768DE-B824-4953-A26F-4A1385C16371@me.com> That's called an Emperor. On Nov 6, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > Everything > > --- On Tue, 11/6/12, dirk cleenwerck wrote: > > From: dirk cleenwerck > Subject: Re: My Choice for President > To: "How to use LiveCode" > Date: Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 8:57 AM > > President of what? ;) > > Dirk From slylabs13 at me.com Tue Nov 6 19:13:55 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:13:55 -0800 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <50994929.80005@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <50994929.80005@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Nov 6, 2012, at 9:30 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Whether or not I win, it is an historic moment that so many of you are willing to support a female Gay nominee. Thank you. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Nov 6 20:14:45 2012 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:14:45 -0800 Subject: Unhilite A Scrolling List? Message-ID: It's near the end of the day so I'm a bit foggy, but can someone remind me how to unhilite the lines of a scrolling list field upon opening a card? I'm pretty sure this came up on the list recently but can't recall the context. I need the list to be active, but without any selected line. Have tried all the usual suspects (disabled autoHilite, traversalOn, focus on nothing, set hilitedLines to 0, etc)... Thanks & Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From bonnmike at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 20:21:42 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 18:21:42 -0700 Subject: Unhilite A Scrolling List? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not sure, but I think if traversal of that field is on, and its default it selects the first line. And I also think that if you set the hilited lines of the field in opencard or preopen card there is that timing issue involved so the lines are set unhilited, then the traversal stuff kicks in and voila' hilite. To get around it (if I'm correct) use a send in time to do the unhilite from your opencard. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > It's near the end of the day so I'm a bit foggy, but can someone remind me > how to unhilite the lines of a scrolling list field upon opening a card? > I'm pretty sure this came up on the list recently but can't recall the > context. > > I need the list to be active, but without any selected line. > > Have tried all the usual suspects (disabled autoHilite, traversalOn, focus > on nothing, set hilitedLines to 0, etc)... > > Thanks & Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pete at lcsql.com Tue Nov 6 20:46:36 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:46:36 -0800 Subject: Unhilite A Scrolling List? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does setting the hilitedlines to empty work? Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > It's near the end of the day so I'm a bit foggy, but can someone remind me > how to unhilite the lines of a scrolling list field upon opening a card? > I'm pretty sure this came up on the list recently but can't recall the > context. > > I need the list to be active, but without any selected line. > > Have tried all the usual suspects (disabled autoHilite, traversalOn, focus > on nothing, set hilitedLines to 0, etc)... > > Thanks & Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Tue Nov 6 20:45:46 2012 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 01:45:46 +0000 Subject: Unhilite A Scrolling List? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you sure you're not setting the hilitedLines in a script somewhere? I don't think there should be any lines hilited unless you explicitly set them. Otherwise, setting the hilitedLines of the field to empty should clear it. Terry... On 07/11/2012, at 12:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > It's near the end of the day so I'm a bit foggy, but can someone remind me > how to unhilite the lines of a scrolling list field upon opening a card? > I'm pretty sure this came up on the list recently but can't recall the > context. > > I need the list to be active, but without any selected line. > > Have tried all the usual suspects (disabled autoHilite, traversalOn, focus > on nothing, set hilitedLines to 0, etc)... > > Thanks & Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > Dr Terry Judd Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Eduction Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne From bonnmike at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 21:05:50 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 19:05:50 -0700 Subject: Unhilite A Scrolling List? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If the scrolling list field is the frontmost traversable control, then it has focus on card change and does get a hilite. In addition, focusing on an another program then returing to the card also causes a selection. The send in time thing works for card switches (from my eariler email) but not for the resume focus. If this is for desktop, I think i'd put a hidden field that can get focus and that is layered so that it takes focus by default. Too fuzzy at the moment to figure out the negatives to this method. Might be easier to just add handlers for suspend, resume, card changes to get the behavior you wish. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 7 00:46:49 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 23:46:49 -0600 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <1261753114453.20121106142104@ahsoftware.net> References: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cdbc36$fdccdd90$f96698b0$@net> <55DFCBBB-692C-47D9-AEE5-7AAD362ECF29@verizon.net> <8CF8A5E04F24B5D-73C-19ABD@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> <50994E01.7060601@cogapp.com> <92B79B9B-5018-4275-A3C1-84610B0DC129@verizon.net> <50995DB0.3080105@hyperactivesw.com> <1261753114453.20121106142104@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <5099F5C9.4020207@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/6/12 4:21 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jacque- > > Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 10:57:52 AM, you wrote: > >> Clearly none of you have ever spoken with some of our Scottish RR engineers. > > I can't even say RR without laughing. > You stay up nights thinking these things up, right? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jim at d-film.com Wed Nov 7 02:11:59 2012 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 02:11:59 -0500 Subject: My Choice for President In-Reply-To: <5099F5C9.4020207@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cdbc36$fdccdd90$f96698b0$@net> <55DFCBBB-692C-47D9-AEE5-7AAD362ECF29@verizon.net> <8CF8A5E04F24B5D-73C-19ABD@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> <50994E01.7060601@cogapp.com> <92B79B9B-5018-4275-A3C1-84610B0DC129@verizon.net> <50995DB0.3080105@hyperactivesw.com> <1261753114453.20121106142104@ahsoftware.net> <5099F5C9.4020207@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Who can sleep? On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:46 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/6/12 4:21 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> Jacque- >> >> Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 10:57:52 AM, you wrote: >> >> Clearly none of you have ever spoken with some of our Scottish RR >>> engineers. >>> >> >> I can't even say RR without laughing. >> >> > You stay up nights thinking these things up, right? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From james at thehales.id.au Wed Nov 7 02:30:27 2012 From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 18:30:27 +1100 Subject: images in text fields - htmltext quirk? Message-ID: <1EA6220D-D351-455C-A0E5-E4FF39D5F84D@thehales.id.au> Hi, I have a text field in which I display html. I am currently setting the htmltext of the field to the html I want to display and all works as expected. The context here is that I am displaying text content from an epub file. Before displaying this text I do a bit of cleaning up to account for some of the non supported tags and adjust the heading tags to get a more usable appearance. I would like to also account for those pages that may include an image. These are specified as normal tags where the link is to a local file (originally within the epub archive.) According to the dictionary LiveCode translates the source of the tag to an "imagesource" which can be an "imageURL". I have struck two problems. 1: if the imageURL is of the form "http://.?" the image gets inserted. if the imageURL is of the form "file:/full_filepath" then nothing gets inserted. so the questions are a) can I have a local IRL as my image source? and b) what should the path be? So far I have tried the full path from the boot disk down to a relative path from my livecode stack. 2: As I mentioned, if the URL is a http type then I do get the image inserted into the field. However it covers existing text. My understanding is that the imagesource replaces a character but obviously the image size is ignored. How do I allow for the size of the image? In the files I have looked at that contain images the insertion is simple and the image sits alone on a line. Any pointers to either of these confusions would be appreciated. James james at thehales.id.au Tel: +61 3 9386 2516 Fax: +61 3 9386 1387 From james at thehales.id.au Wed Nov 7 02:39:33 2012 From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 18:39:33 +1100 Subject: tags as tokens within fields Message-ID: <5D0A7CF2-09F9-4781-AF0D-6201393FE268@thehales.id.au> Hi, My app will allow for items (text snippets) to be tagged with either words or phrases. I am on a MAC and many of the apps I use have this tagging feature. However I am interested in how they visually represent the tags present. OS X has the ability to show the tag as a blue button which, rather than remain an editable word, becomes a single "character" or token. MAIL is a good example in that email addresses become a blue token once recognised. The search area in a finder window will concatenate a specified search term with its context (if selected) as a single token. Many other apps do similar things and are obviously using something built into cocoa. Has anyone on this list tried replicating this UI feature within Livecode? James james at thehales.id.au Tel: +61 3 9386 2516 Fax: +61 3 9386 1387 From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Nov 7 03:24:35 2012 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:24:35 -0800 Subject: Unhilite A Scrolling List? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I seem to recall there was some method posted on the list fairly recently that involved locking messages or something similar to handle this issue. Curse me for not bookmarking it at the time. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 11/6/12 6:05 PM, "Mike Bonner" wrote: >If the scrolling list field is the frontmost traversable control, then it >has focus on card change and does get a hilite. In addition, focusing on >an another program then returing to the card also causes a selection. The >send in time thing works for card switches (from my eariler email) but not >for the resume focus. If this is for desktop, I think i'd put a hidden >field that can get focus and that is layered so that it takes focus by >default. Too fuzzy at the moment to figure out the negatives to this >method. Might be easier to just add handlers for suspend, resume, card >changes to get the behavior you wish. >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From klaus at major.on-rev.com Wed Nov 7 04:42:12 2012 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 10:42:12 +0100 Subject: images in text fields - htmltext quirk? In-Reply-To: <1EA6220D-D351-455C-A0E5-E4FF39D5F84D@thehales.id.au> References: <1EA6220D-D351-455C-A0E5-E4FF39D5F84D@thehales.id.au> Message-ID: Hi James, Am 07.11.2012 um 08:30 schrieb James Hale : > Hi, > > I have a text field in which I display html. > I am currently setting the htmltext of the field to the html I want to display and all works as expected. > The context here is that I am displaying text content from an epub file. > Before displaying this text I do a bit of cleaning up to account for some of the non supported tags and adjust the heading tags to get a more usable appearance. > I would like to also account for those pages that may include an image. > These are specified as normal tags where the link is to a local file (originally within the epub archive.) > According to the dictionary LiveCode translates the source of the tag to an "imagesource" which can be an "imageURL". > > I have struck two problems. > 1: if the imageURL is of the form "http://.?" the image gets inserted. > if the imageURL is of the form "file:/full_filepath" then nothing gets inserted. the (very counterintuitiv) trick is to use BINFILE instead of FILE for local files in HTMLtext: "binfile:/full_filepath" Been bitten by this lately, too. > so the questions are a) can I have a local IRL as my image source? and b) what should the path be? > So far I have tried the full path from the boot disk down to a relative path from my livecode stack. Full path and BINFILE will work! > 2: As I mentioned, if the URL is a http type then I do get the image inserted into the field. > However it covers existing text. My understanding is that the imagesource replaces a character but obviously the image size is ignored. > How do I allow for the size of the image? > In the files I have looked at that contain images the insertion is simple and the image sits alone on a line. Unfortunately the html SIZE tags (height/width) of images will be ignored by Livecode, so the image will always be displayed in its original size. You can however uncheck "fixed line height" to prevent more ugliness :-) > Any pointers to either of these confusions would be appreciated. > > James > > james at thehales.id.au > > Tel: +61 3 9386 2516 > Fax: +61 3 9386 1387 Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From revolution at derbrill.de Wed Nov 7 06:59:53 2012 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 12:59:53 +0100 Subject: UDP broadcast on a Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0ADB51F7-F3C0-4E9F-A1D5-B0C99F4A7FCD@derbrill.de> Hi all, a while back, I asked about push notifications on the desktop. (Thanks again Mark and Alex) and finally I get around to play with the idea. While I get it to broadcast nicely from Windows to the Mac (and the other win machines in my network), trying from the Mac fails. This is the code: ############# #Receiving part: ############# on mouseUp pBtnNum if the label of me = "Start" then accept datagram connections on port 9997 with message "dataReceived" set the label of me to "Stop" else close socket 9997 set the label of me to "Start" end if end mouseUp on dataReceived pSocket, pMsg answer pSocket & cr & pMsg end dataReceived on socketError answer "Failed to open server socket" end socketError ############# # Sending part: ############# on mouseUp if fld "fldMsg" is not empty then local tPartner put fld "thePartner" into tPartner put ":9997" after tPartner open datagram socket to tPartner if the result is not empty then answer "Socket: " & the result end if write fld "fldMsg" to socket tPartner close socket tPartner put "" into fld "fldMsg" else beep end if end mouseUp on socketError answer "Failed to open socket" end socketError Has anyone successfully broadcasted from a Mac? If so, could you please enlighten me on how you did it? Many thanks! Malte From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 13:32:29 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:32:29 +0200 Subject: Banging on about Mac Classic Message-ID: <509AA93D.401@gmail.com> Yes, no surprises, it's Richmond again, the backward looking recidivist. And, Yes, some of us are using Mac OS 9 and lower; mainly, admittedly, to transfer some HC stacks to LC rather than waste a lot of effort that was spent "once-upon-a-time", and/or spend buckets of time on remaking things from scratch. So . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if so, the URL to download it? Peter Wood ??? Anyone else??? Frankly, at present, all I need is any release of RunRev/LC for Mac Classic, and am not unduly fussy about what its development number is. Particualrly as am quite unable to find my Mac Classic back up of RunRev 2.0.1. Richmond. From info at multimedial.de Wed Nov 7 13:55:59 2012 From: info at multimedial.de (Christophe Leske) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:55:59 +0100 Subject: Banging on about Mac Classic In-Reply-To: <509AA93D.401@gmail.com> References: <509AA93D.401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <509AAEBF.1000005@multimedial.de> Am 07.11.2012 19:32, schrieb Richmond: > Yes, no surprises, it's Richmond again, the backward looking recidivist. > > And, Yes, some of us are using Mac OS 9 and lower; mainly, admittedly, > to transfer some HC stacks to LC > rather than waste a lot of effort that was spent "once-upon-a-time", > and/or spend buckets of time on > remaking things from scratch. > > So . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll > available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder > if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if so, > the URL to download it? > > Peter Wood ??? > > Anyone else??? > > Frankly, at present, all I need is any release of RunRev/LC for Mac > Classic, > and am not unduly fussy about what its development number is. > > Particualrly as am quite unable to find my Mac Classic back up of > RunRev 2.0.1. MacOS 9 or lower? Thou are speaking in tongues for me... :-) -- Christophe Leske multimedial.de ------------------------------------------ PROFIL http://xing.to/multimedial PROFILE http://linkedin.com/in/multimedial ------------------------------------------ www.multimedial.de - info at multimedial.de Hohler Strasse 17 - 51645 Gummersbach +49(0)2261-99824540 // +49(0)177-2497031 ------------------------------------------- From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 14:03:03 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 21:03:03 +0200 Subject: Banging on about Mac Classic In-Reply-To: <509AAEBF.1000005@multimedial.de> References: <509AA93D.401@gmail.com> <509AAEBF.1000005@multimedial.de> Message-ID: <509AB067.30902@gmail.com> On 11/07/2012 08:55 PM, Christophe Leske wrote: > Am 07.11.2012 19:32, schrieb Richmond: >> Yes, no surprises, it's Richmond again, the backward looking recidivist. >> >> And, Yes, some of us are using Mac OS 9 and lower; mainly, >> admittedly, to transfer some HC stacks to LC >> rather than waste a lot of effort that was spent "once-upon-a-time", >> and/or spend buckets of time on >> remaking things from scratch. >> >> So . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll >> available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder >> if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if >> so, the URL to download it? >> >> Peter Wood ??? >> >> Anyone else??? >> >> Frankly, at present, all I need is any release of RunRev/LC for Mac >> Classic, >> and am not unduly fussy about what its development number is. >> >> Particualrly as am quite unable to find my Mac Classic back up of >> RunRev 2.0.1. > > > MacOS 9 or lower? > > Thou are speaking in tongues for me... :-) > A real case of bad grammar there; "Thou art" surely. I am looking for RunRev 1.1 or 2.0.1 for Mac Classic to run on a G3 iMac I have running Mac OS 8.5. From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Wed Nov 7 14:08:24 2012 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:08:24 -0500 Subject: Banging on about Mac Classic In-Reply-To: <509AB067.30902@gmail.com> References: <509AA93D.401@gmail.com> <509AAEBF.1000005@multimedial.de> <509AB067.30902@gmail.com> Message-ID: that's too new for me. I think I have an LC sitting here that's running 7.0.1. On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 11/07/2012 08:55 PM, Christophe Leske wrote: > >> Am 07.11.2012 19:32, schrieb Richmond: >> >>> Yes, no surprises, it's Richmond again, the backward looking recidivist. >>> >>> And, Yes, some of us are using Mac OS 9 and lower; mainly, admittedly, >>> to transfer some HC stacks to LC >>> rather than waste a lot of effort that was spent "once-upon-a-time", >>> and/or spend buckets of time on >>> remaking things from scratch. >>> >>> So . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll >>> available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder >>> if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if so, >>> the URL to download it? >>> >>> Peter Wood ??? >>> >>> Anyone else??? >>> >>> Frankly, at present, all I need is any release of RunRev/LC for Mac >>> Classic, >>> and am not unduly fussy about what its development number is. >>> >>> Particualrly as am quite unable to find my Mac Classic back up of RunRev >>> 2.0.1. >>> >> >> >> MacOS 9 or lower? >> >> Thou are speaking in tongues for me... :-) >> >> > A real case of bad grammar there; "Thou art" surely. > > I am looking for RunRev 1.1 or 2.0.1 for Mac Classic to run on a G3 iMac I > have running Mac OS 8.5. > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 14:16:47 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 21:16:47 +0200 Subject: Banging on about Mac Classic In-Reply-To: References: <509AA93D.401@gmail.com> <509AAEBF.1000005@multimedial.de> <509AB067.30902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <509AB39F.7070900@gmail.com> On 11/07/2012 09:08 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > that's too new for me. I think I have an LC sitting here that's running > 7.0.1. We can all play games of that sort - pace my BBC Micro running MOS - but this is a serious request for any information as to how to obtain a Mac Classic version of RunRev/LC rather than indulge in hairy-chested competitions as to who has a steam-driven computer. > > > On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Richmond wrote: > >> On 11/07/2012 08:55 PM, Christophe Leske wrote: >> >>> Am 07.11.2012 19:32, schrieb Richmond: >>> >>>> Yes, no surprises, it's Richmond again, the backward looking recidivist. >>>> >>>> And, Yes, some of us are using Mac OS 9 and lower; mainly, admittedly, >>>> to transfer some HC stacks to LC >>>> rather than waste a lot of effort that was spent "once-upon-a-time", >>>> and/or spend buckets of time on >>>> remaking things from scratch. >>>> >>>> So . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll >>>> available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder >>>> if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if so, >>>> the URL to download it? >>>> >>>> Peter Wood ??? >>>> >>>> Anyone else??? >>>> >>>> Frankly, at present, all I need is any release of RunRev/LC for Mac >>>> Classic, >>>> and am not unduly fussy about what its development number is. >>>> >>>> Particualrly as am quite unable to find my Mac Classic back up of RunRev >>>> 2.0.1. >>>> >>> >>> MacOS 9 or lower? >>> >>> Thou are speaking in tongues for me... :-) >>> >>> >> A real case of bad grammar there; "Thou art" surely. >> >> I am looking for RunRev 1.1 or 2.0.1 for Mac Classic to run on a G3 iMac I >> have running Mac OS 8.5. >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Nov 7 14:20:05 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 19:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: My Choice for President References: <50973EB1.5080906@hyperactivesw.com> <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cdbc36$fdccdd90$f96698b0$@net> <55DFCBBB-692C-47D9-AEE5-7AAD362ECF29@verizon.net> <8CF8A5E04F24B5D-73C-19ABD@webmail-m148.sysops.aol.com> <50994E01.7060601@cogapp.com> <92B79B9B-5018-4275-A3C1-84610B0DC129@verizon.net> <50995DB0.3080105@hyperactivesw.com> <1261753114453.20121106142104@ahsoftware.net> <5099F5C9.4020207@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: J. Landman Gay writes: > You stay up nights thinking these things up, right? Don't have to. We set our clocks back, so now there's an extra hour every day. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Wed Nov 7 14:28:58 2012 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:28:58 -0500 Subject: Banging on about Mac Classic In-Reply-To: <509AB39F.7070900@gmail.com> References: <509AA93D.401@gmail.com> <509AAEBF.1000005@multimedial.de> <509AB067.30902@gmail.com> <509AB39F.7070900@gmail.com> Message-ID: I can't believe you're making fun of my LC by calling it "steam-driven". Yes, it has heat issues, but it still happily runs a HC stack I wrote for it some 20 years ago. Let me know if you get any replies. I might like to try putting LC on it and trying it out, but would the XCMD's/XFCN's work? On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 11/07/2012 09:08 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > >> that's too new for me. I think I have an LC sitting here that's running >> 7.0.1. >> > > We can all play games of that sort - pace my BBC Micro running MOS - but > this is a serious request for any information as to how > to obtain a Mac Classic version of RunRev/LC rather than indulge in > hairy-chested competitions as to who has a steam-driven > computer. > > >> >> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Richmond ** >> wrote: >> >> On 11/07/2012 08:55 PM, Christophe Leske wrote: >>> >>> Am 07.11.2012 19:32, schrieb Richmond: >>>> >>>> Yes, no surprises, it's Richmond again, the backward looking >>>>> recidivist. >>>>> >>>>> And, Yes, some of us are using Mac OS 9 and lower; mainly, admittedly, >>>>> to transfer some HC stacks to LC >>>>> rather than waste a lot of effort that was spent "once-upon-a-time", >>>>> and/or spend buckets of time on >>>>> remaking things from scratch. >>>>> >>>>> So . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll >>>>> available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder >>>>> if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if so, >>>>> the URL to download it? >>>>> >>>>> Peter Wood ??? >>>>> >>>>> Anyone else??? >>>>> >>>>> Frankly, at present, all I need is any release of RunRev/LC for Mac >>>>> Classic, >>>>> and am not unduly fussy about what its development number is. >>>>> >>>>> Particualrly as am quite unable to find my Mac Classic back up of >>>>> RunRev >>>>> 2.0.1. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> MacOS 9 or lower? >>>> >>>> Thou are speaking in tongues for me... :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> A real case of bad grammar there; "Thou art" surely. >>> >>> I am looking for RunRev 1.1 or 2.0.1 for Mac Classic to run on a G3 iMac >>> I >>> have running Mac OS 8.5. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/****mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> <**http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 14:35:59 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 21:35:59 +0200 Subject: Banging on about Mac Classic In-Reply-To: References: <509AA93D.401@gmail.com> <509AAEBF.1000005@multimedial.de> <509AB067.30902@gmail.com> <509AB39F.7070900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <509AB81F.1030506@gmail.com> On 11/07/2012 09:28 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > I can't believe you're making fun of my LC by calling it "steam-driven". > Yes, it has heat issues, but it still happily runs a HC stack I wrote for > it some 20 years ago. I wasn't calling your LC "steam-driven" (unless it is a different model to my LC III); but I was pointing out, ever-so-subtly, that my BBC Micro Master Compact beat your LC into a cocked hat :) > > > Let me know if you get any replies. I might like to try putting LC on it > and trying it out, but would the XCMD's/XFCN's work? > > > As far as I am aware XCMDs and XFCNs for Hypercard do not work with RR/LC. However, an awful lot of code is readily transferable, and having a lot of stacks I wrote for HC backed up (on ZIP disks: hence my Linux box having a SCSI PCI card), it might not be a bad idea to transfer some of the cleverer ones to RR 1.1.1 rather than have to rewrite everything from scratch. From irog at mac.com Wed Nov 7 15:59:58 2012 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:59:58 -0800 Subject: Information "test" In-Reply-To: <50994929.80005@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <50994929.80005@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Can anyone tell me what the information icon with "test" means? It's coming up at times when I try to quit after using a frontScript, and I have to force quit. I've never seen this before. Thanks, Roger From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Nov 7 16:00:17 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Free online cryptography course Message-ID: Just started today. Be wary of the (5 to 7 hours a week) part... if this is anything like the coursera SaaS course I took a couple of months ago, it's wildly optimistic. Anyway, just thought someone might be interested. https://www.coursera.org/course/crypto -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Nov 7 17:49:27 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:49:27 -0800 Subject: Information "test" In-Reply-To: References: <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <50994929.80005@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <531841217687.20121107144927@ahsoftware.net> Roger- Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 12:59:58 PM, you wrote: > Can anyone tell me what the information icon with "test" means? > It's coming up at times when I try to quit after using a > frontScript, and I have to force quit. I've never seen this before. I've seen that a handful of times over the years. I think it's Raney-speak for "now you've done it..." -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From irog at mac.com Wed Nov 7 17:56:43 2012 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:56:43 -0800 Subject: Information "test" In-Reply-To: <531841217687.20121107144927@ahsoftware.net> References: <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <50994929.80005@hyperactivesw.com> <531841217687.20121107144927@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <6AC2F48E-DC2C-49E6-BA00-8607B39C92A8@mac.com> Nuts! Do you remember how you fixed it?? Thanks, Roger On Nov 7, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Roger- > > Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 12:59:58 PM, you wrote: > >> Can anyone tell me what the information icon with "test" means? >> It's coming up at times when I try to quit after using a >> frontScript, and I have to force quit. I've never seen this before. > > I've seen that a handful of times over the years. I think it's > Raney-speak for "now you've done it..." > > -- > -Mark Wieder From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Nov 7 17:59:47 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:59:47 -0800 Subject: Information "test" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <509AE7E3.8070006@fourthworld.com> Roger Guay wrote: > Can anyone tell me what the information icon with "test" means? > It's coming up at times when I try to quit after using a frontScript, > and I have to force quit. I've never seen this before. What exactly are you seeing (answer dialog?), and what is the recipe to reproduce it? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From irog at mac.com Wed Nov 7 19:34:20 2012 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:34:20 -0800 Subject: Information "test" In-Reply-To: <509AE7E3.8070006@fourthworld.com> References: <509AE7E3.8070006@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <2AE48135-21CA-473E-A25A-0F475C22F5E0@mac.com> Hi Richard, Yes, It's the answer dialog, and all I'm doing is inserting a front script (Jacque's commandKeyDown frontScript that allows for script insertion of quotes, parenthesis etc.). The frontScript resides and is called from a subStack of a plugin. This dialog appears only sometime, and I can't figure out any other contributing factors. Cheers, Roger On Nov 7, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Roger Guay wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what the information icon with "test" means? > > It's coming up at times when I try to quit after using a frontScript, > > and I have to force quit. I've never seen this before. > > What exactly are you seeing (answer dialog?), and what is the recipe to reproduce it? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Nov 7 20:12:21 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:12:21 -0800 Subject: Information "test" In-Reply-To: <6AC2F48E-DC2C-49E6-BA00-8607B39C92A8@mac.com> References: <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <50994929.80005@hyperactivesw.com> <531841217687.20121107144927@ahsoftware.net> <6AC2F48E-DC2C-49E6-BA00-8607B39C92A8@mac.com> Message-ID: <1041849790859.20121107171221@ahsoftware.net> Roger- Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 2:56:43 PM, you wrote: > Nuts! Do you remember how you fixed it?? Fixed? No, it has just appeared randomly before some kind of code domino effect. Then restart and everything's fine. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From james at thehales.id.au Wed Nov 7 20:36:48 2012 From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 12:36:48 +1100 Subject: images in text fields - htmltext quirk? Message-ID: Thank you Klaus > I have struck two problems. >> 1: if the imageURL is of the form "http://.?" the image gets inserted. >> if the imageURL is of the form "file:/full_filepath" then nothing gets inserted. > > the (very counterintuitiv) trick is to use BINFILE instead of FILE for local files in HTMLtext: > "binfile:/full_filepath" > > Been bitten by this lately, too. ah ha! > >> so the questions are a) can I have a local IRL as my image source? and b) what should the path be? >> So far I have tried the full path from the boot disk down to a relative path from my livecode stack. > > Full path and BINFILE will work! cool > >> 2: ?..How do I allow for the size of the image? > > Unfortunately the html SIZE tags (height/width) of images will be ignored by Livecode, so the image will always be displayed in its original size. > You can however uncheck "fixed line height" to prevent more ugliness :-) DOH!! I forgot to do this in my test stack. Of course I need to turn this off, else my different text sizes (as in the html) would be crap. Thanks agin. James james at thehales.id.au Tel: +61 3 9386 2516 Fax: +61 3 9386 1387 From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Nov 7 21:20:31 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:20:31 -0800 Subject: Information "test" In-Reply-To: <2AE48135-21CA-473E-A25A-0F475C22F5E0@mac.com> References: <2AE48135-21CA-473E-A25A-0F475C22F5E0@mac.com> Message-ID: <509B16EF.5020905@fourthworld.com> Roger Guay wrote: > Yes, It's the answer dialog, and all I'm doing is inserting a front > script (Jacque's commandKeyDown frontScript that allows for script > insertion of quotes, parenthesis etc.). The frontScript resides and > is called from a subStack of a plugin. This dialog appears only > sometime, and I can't figure out any other contributing factors. I've used frontScripts, frequently from plugins, and have never seen this. Can you post the code which triggers this? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 7 21:38:29 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:38:29 -0600 Subject: Information "test" In-Reply-To: <509B16EF.5020905@fourthworld.com> References: <2AE48135-21CA-473E-A25A-0F475C22F5E0@mac.com> <509B16EF.5020905@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <509B1B25.80509@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/7/12 8:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Roger Guay wrote: > > Yes, It's the answer dialog, and all I'm doing is inserting a front > > script (Jacque's commandKeyDown frontScript that allows for script > > insertion of quotes, parenthesis etc.). The frontScript resides and > > is called from a subStack of a plugin. This dialog appears only > > sometime, and I can't figure out any other contributing factors. > > I've used frontScripts, frequently from plugins, and have never seen this. > > Can you post the code which triggers this? Ditto please. I've never seen it either. @Roger, I've been using my frontscript for about 15 years, did you change any of it? Also, is that the whole dialog? Just "test" and nothing else? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 7 21:48:54 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:48:54 -0600 Subject: Information "test" In-Reply-To: References: <1352213552.54027.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <50994929.80005@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <509B1D96.3060604@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/7/12 2:59 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > Can anyone tell me what the information icon with "test" means? It's > coming up at times when I try to quit after using a frontScript, and > I have to force quit. I've never seen this before. I just did a search and found four instances of "answer 'test'" in the Rev Navigator plugin. That's the only time it appears anywhere in all the LiveCode files. However -- all four instances are commented out. If you have BBEdit you can search a whole folder for a string, which is how I found those. Maybe one of your custom plugins has that in it? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From irog at mac.com Wed Nov 7 22:13:47 2012 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:13:47 -0800 Subject: Information "test" In-Reply-To: <509B1B25.80509@hyperactivesw.com> References: <2AE48135-21CA-473E-A25A-0F475C22F5E0@mac.com> <509B16EF.5020905@fourthworld.com> <509B1B25.80509@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <99932763-2F12-4908-BA54-A5E6D1B0EBF0@mac.com> Thanks Jacque, Richard and Mark for your responses. Here is the code I'm using: on controlKeyDown whichKey ---- from Jacqueline Landman Gay if ("editor field" is not in the name of the target and "script" is not in the name of the target) \ or the shiftkey is not down then pass controlKeyDown switch whichKey case quote case "'" put quote & the selection & quote into the selection break case "v" -- paste only plain text put the clipboardData["text"] into the selection break case "9" case "0" case "(" case ")" put "(" & the selection & ")" into the selection break case "[" case "]" case "{" case "}" get the selection put "[" & it & "]" into the selection if it = "" then put the selectedchunk into tSel put word 4 of tSel into word 2 of tSel put (word 4 of tSel) - 1 into word 4 of tSel select tSel end if break case " " -- scriptPaint put the mousetext into the selection break default pass controlKeyDown end switch setEditorDirty end controlKeyDown private command setEditorDirty type space delete char (word 4 of the selectedchunk) of the target end setEditorDirty Note that I'm using ControlKey instead of commandKey but otherwise unchanged from what Jacque had posted. And yes, the only things that appear are the 'i" icon and the word "test". I'll work on getting a copy of BBEdit and do as you suggest, Jacque. Thanks again, Roger On Nov 7, 2012, at 6:38 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > On 11/7/12 8:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> Roger Guay wrote: >> > Yes, It's the answer dialog, and all I'm doing is inserting a front >> > script (Jacque's commandKeyDown frontScript that allows for script >> > insertion of quotes, parenthesis etc.). The frontScript resides and >> > is called from a subStack of a plugin. This dialog appears only >> > sometime, and I can't figure out any other contributing factors. >> >> I've used frontScripts, frequently from plugins, and have never seen this. >> >> Can you post the code which triggers this? > > Ditto please. I've never seen it either. @Roger, I've been using my frontscript for about 15 years, did you change any of it? > > Also, is that the whole dialog? Just "test" and nothing else? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 7 23:26:15 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 22:26:15 -0600 Subject: Information "test" In-Reply-To: <99932763-2F12-4908-BA54-A5E6D1B0EBF0@mac.com> References: <2AE48135-21CA-473E-A25A-0F475C22F5E0@mac.com> <509B16EF.5020905@fourthworld.com> <509B1B25.80509@hyperactivesw.com> <99932763-2F12-4908-BA54-A5E6D1B0EBF0@mac.com> Message-ID: <509B3467.3060006@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/7/12 9:13 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > Thanks Jacque, Richard and Mark for your responses. Here is the code I'm using: > > on controlKeyDown whichKey ---- from Jacqueline Landman Gay Yup, except for the substitution of the control key, that's the same script. I don't see how it could be that. Do you remember what you were doing when the test dialog appeared? Any other plugins open? > I'll work on getting a copy of BBEdit and do as you suggest, Jacque. TextWrangler is its free cousin and probably has the same search feature. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From irog at mac.com Thu Nov 8 01:09:28 2012 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 22:09:28 -0800 Subject: Information "test" In-Reply-To: <509B3467.3060006@hyperactivesw.com> References: <2AE48135-21CA-473E-A25A-0F475C22F5E0@mac.com> <509B16EF.5020905@fourthworld.com> <509B1B25.80509@hyperactivesw.com> <99932763-2F12-4908-BA54-A5E6D1B0EBF0@mac.com> <509B3467.3060006@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <0FA64097-1E0F-4492-9C54-EA692859A265@mac.com> I have another plugin open of my design, but I have no answer "test" instances in the script. Plus, I've never had this problem before and have been using my plugin for several years. Thanks for the advice on TextWrangler. I'll check it out in the AM. Thanks for your help, Jacque. Roger On Nov 7, 2012, at 8:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/7/12 9:13 PM, Roger Guay wrote: >> Thanks Jacque, Richard and Mark for your responses. Here is the code I'm using: >> >> on controlKeyDown whichKey ---- from Jacqueline Landman Gay > > > Yup, except for the substitution of the control key, that's the same script. I don't see how it could be that. Do you remember what you were doing when the test dialog appeared? Any other plugins open? > >> I'll work on getting a copy of BBEdit and do as you suggest, Jacque. > > TextWrangler is its free cousin and probably has the same search feature. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From th.douez at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 02:43:03 2012 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:43:03 +0100 Subject: how to get the path of plugins folder Message-ID: Hi all, Does someone knows how to get by script the path of the plugins folder? Need this for Mac/PC/Linux from Rev 4.0 and up. the function specialfolder() doesn't seem to do that. Thanks for help, Thierry From revolution at derbrill.de Thu Nov 8 03:18:27 2012 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:18:27 +0100 Subject: UDP broadcast on a Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6408CD87-2942-45D9-A726-E61E55101967@derbrill.de> Not really moving forward. Seems this is not allowed under OSX. I tried this from Terminal: echo ?hello? > /dev/udp/255.255.255.255/9997 Yields permission denied (even with SUDO) however: echo ?hello? > /dev/udp/127.0.0.1/9997 works as expected (as well as any other known IP address) Stuck... From klaus at major.on-rev.com Thu Nov 8 04:29:07 2012 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:29:07 +0100 Subject: how to get the path of plugins folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bonjour Thierry, Am 08.11.2012 um 08:43 schrieb Thierry Douez : > Hi all, > > Does someone knows how to get by script the path of the plugins folder? > Need this for Mac/PC/Linux from Rev 4.0 and up. > the function specialfolder() doesn't seem to do that. Use: revEnvironmentUserPluginsPath() Check the "Release Notes" for "Getting folder locations within the IDE" In 5.5.3 it is on page 40 of the PDF. > Thanks for help, > > Thierry Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From th.douez at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 05:07:17 2012 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 11:07:17 +0100 Subject: how to get the path of plugins folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2012/11/8 Klaus on-rev : > Bonjour Thierry, > > Am 08.11.2012 um 08:43 schrieb Thierry Douez : > >> Hi all, >> >> Does someone knows how to get by script the path of the plugins folder? >> Need this for Mac/PC/Linux from Rev 4.0 and up. > > Use: revEnvironmentUserPluginsPath() > > Check the "Release Notes" for "Getting folder locations within the IDE" > In 5.5.3 it is on page 40 of the PDF. Wunderbar! Once again, forgot to look in this release notes :( And it also works for Rev 4.5... Could someone check for Rev 4.0 ? Vielen Dank und dir noch einen sch?nen Tag Thierry From andre.rombauts at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 06:15:52 2012 From: andre.rombauts at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Rombauts?=) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 12:15:52 +0100 Subject: Using the sSMTP library Message-ID: <831941B6-9C4C-4208-A665-2B867C3979AC@gmail.com> Hello, I'm trying to use the sSMTP library with the demo stack included. I'm getting this error: -> QUIT SMTPerror closing socket due to error reading QUIT This demo stack dates back to 2009. Is it still OK? Andr? From revolution at derbrill.de Thu Nov 8 06:17:20 2012 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 12:17:20 +0100 Subject: UDP broadcast on a Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D57B3A-A12E-401B-80AD-26A5EC965C86@derbrill.de> Python to the rescue... This works from the shell: python -c "from socket import *; cs = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM); cs.setsockopt(SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, 1); cs.setsockopt(SOL_SOCKET, SO_BROADCAST, 1); cs.sendto('This is a test', ('255.255.255.255', 9997));" From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Thu Nov 8 09:25:28 2012 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:25:28 +0100 Subject: Using the sSMTP library In-Reply-To: <831941B6-9C4C-4208-A665-2B867C3979AC@gmail.com> References: <831941B6-9C4C-4208-A665-2B867C3979AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9C2F2CA2-235B-44E7-A8A7-561E072AFAA9@m-r-d.de> Andr?, which one do you use? Shao Sean?s or Sarah Reichelt?s one? But anyway, i am using both with no problems. There is a nice wrapper for Shao Sean?s library from Altuit called altEmailHarness You could try this. If it works then maybe you are doing something wrong in your code. Enter the following into the message box go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altEmailHarness.rev" Hope this helps. Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- "Life is too short for boring code" Am 08.11.2012 um 12:15 schrieb Andr? Rombauts : > Hello, > > I'm trying to use the sSMTP library with the demo stack included. > I'm getting this error: > -> QUIT > > SMTPerror closing socket due to error reading QUIT > > This demo stack dates back to 2009. Is it still OK? > > Andr? > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From andre.rombauts at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 12:11:05 2012 From: andre.rombauts at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Rombauts?=) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:11:05 +0100 Subject: Using the sSMTP library In-Reply-To: <9C2F2CA2-235B-44E7-A8A7-561E072AFAA9@m-r-d.de> References: <831941B6-9C4C-4208-A665-2B867C3979AC@gmail.com> <9C2F2CA2-235B-44E7-A8A7-561E072AFAA9@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <96F4A66D-43F7-45D3-9F90-B8F51A840270@gmail.com> Le 8 nov. 2012 ? 15:25, Matthias Rebbe a ?crit : > which one do you use? Shao Sean?s or Sarah Reichelt?s one? > But anyway, i am using both with no problems. Well I tried Sarah's > There is a nice wrapper for Shao Sean?s library from Altuit called altEmailHarness > You could try this. If it works then maybe you are doing something wrong in your code. It is not my code... Just running the demo stack, unmodified. Should it work only if compiled?... Thanks! Andr? From andre.rombauts at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 12:11:05 2012 From: andre.rombauts at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Rombauts?=) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:11:05 +0100 Subject: Using the sSMTP library In-Reply-To: <9C2F2CA2-235B-44E7-A8A7-561E072AFAA9@m-r-d.de> References: <831941B6-9C4C-4208-A665-2B867C3979AC@gmail.com> <9C2F2CA2-235B-44E7-A8A7-561E072AFAA9@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: Le 8 nov. 2012 ? 15:25, Matthias Rebbe a ?crit : > which one do you use? Shao Sean?s or Sarah Reichelt?s one? > But anyway, i am using both with no problems. Well I tried Sarah's > There is a nice wrapper for Shao Sean?s library from Altuit called altEmailHarness > You could try this. If it works then maybe you are doing something wrong in your code. It is not my code... Just running the demo stack, unmodified. Should it work only if compiled?... Thanks! Andr? From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Thu Nov 8 12:27:37 2012 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:27:37 +0100 Subject: Using the sSMTP library In-Reply-To: References: <831941B6-9C4C-4208-A665-2B867C3979AC@gmail.com> <9C2F2CA2-235B-44E7-A8A7-561E072AFAA9@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: Andr?, tried here with 2 different mailaccounts and found out that i cannot send over the on-rev mail server with sarah?s library. I am getting ... 220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport unsolicited, 220 and/or bulk e-mail. -> QUIT I tried then with the altEmailHarness stack from Altuit which uses Shao Sean?s library. With that stack i can send also over an on-rev account. Maybe you give ShaoSeans?smtp library a try. Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- "Life is too short for boring code" Am 08.11.2012 um 18:11 schrieb Andr? Rombauts : > > Le 8 nov. 2012 ? 15:25, Matthias Rebbe a ?crit : > >> which one do you use? Shao Sean?s or Sarah Reichelt?s one? >> But anyway, i am using both with no problems. > > Well I tried Sarah's > >> There is a nice wrapper for Shao Sean?s library from Altuit called altEmailHarness >> You could try this. If it works then maybe you are doing something wrong in your code. > > It is not my code... Just running the demo stack, unmodified. > Should it work only if compiled?... > > Thanks! > > Andr? > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From andre.rombauts at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 14:51:32 2012 From: andre.rombauts at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Rombauts?=) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 20:51:32 +0100 Subject: Using the sSMTP library In-Reply-To: References: <831941B6-9C4C-4208-A665-2B867C3979AC@gmail.com> <9C2F2CA2-235B-44E7-A8A7-561E072AFAA9@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <36F7988D-9F9A-4517-B952-EDAAEF837E50@gmail.com> Le 8 nov. 2012 ? 18:27, Matthias Rebbe a ?crit : > I tried then with the altEmailHarness stack from Altuit which uses Shao Sean?s library. > With that stack i can send also over an on-rev account. > Maybe you give ShaoSeans?smtp library a try. I did. No way... I don't even get any message in the log field... I'm using a Hostgator smtp server I'm running LC 5.5.3 buid 1496 on OSX 10.8.2. :-( Andr? From jeff at siphonophore.com Thu Nov 8 15:01:17 2012 From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:01:17 -0500 Subject: Banging on about Mac Classic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80DD5209-F4B2-411D-8DAA-35B85DC508B8@siphonophore.com> Richmond, I believe 2.6.1 was the last version with mac classic build abilities. in 2.8 it was "build for mac os classic will be available soon" but never came i think. that was the final version for a long time that i had to keep building in when i had to support classic (then move stack to more recent version for osx build.) i cant find an unlicensed zip of the 2.6.1 unfortunately.. jeff ps i still fire up my old sinclair z80 once and a while for a giggle. micro tape recorder is not doing so well though and tapes i expect to disintegrate with each load! hard to find any rf display input though anymore--another dodo bird! i lost the manual for the z80 and getting harder and harder to remember how to make it all work! basis 108 still lurks in the basement but no monitor for it... jr On Nov 8, 2012, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > So . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll > available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder > if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if so, > the URL to download it? From andre.rombauts at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 15:07:24 2012 From: andre.rombauts at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Rombauts?=) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 21:07:24 +0100 Subject: Using the sSMTP library In-Reply-To: <36F7988D-9F9A-4517-B952-EDAAEF837E50@gmail.com> References: <831941B6-9C4C-4208-A665-2B867C3979AC@gmail.com> <9C2F2CA2-235B-44E7-A8A7-561E072AFAA9@m-r-d.de> <36F7988D-9F9A-4517-B952-EDAAEF837E50@gmail.com> Message-ID: > >> I tried then with the altEmailHarness stack from Altuit which uses Shao Sean?s library. >> With that stack i can send also over an on-rev account. >> Maybe you give ShaoSeans?smtp library a try. > > I did. No way... > I don't even get any message in the log field... > I'm using a Hostgator smtp server > I'm running LC 5.5.3 buid 1496 on OSX 10.8.2. > I tried the Test harness for libSMTP253, version 0.10 I added some breakpoints The process stops when executing get smtpOpen(pServer,pPort,pAuthentication,pUsername,pPassword) From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 15:48:54 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:48:54 +0200 Subject: Banging on about Mac Classic In-Reply-To: <80DD5209-F4B2-411D-8DAA-35B85DC508B8@siphonophore.com> References: <80DD5209-F4B2-411D-8DAA-35B85DC508B8@siphonophore.com> Message-ID: <509C1AB6.3050908@gmail.com> On 11/08/2012 10:01 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote: > Richmond, > > I believe 2.6.1 was the last version with mac classic build abilities. in 2.8 it was "build for mac os classic will be available soon" but never came i think. that was the final version for a long time that i had to keep building in when i had to support classic (then move stack to more recent version for osx build.) As far as I know 3.5 could produce Classic builds. That, however is not what I was after; what I was looking for was a Mac Classic version of RunRev, and, since I posted my message, somebody sent me, off-list, an unlicensed version of 2.6.1, and I had a 'mad' idea, and jacked up my SCSI ZIP drive to a SCSI card in a PCI slot in a Linux box I have, and retrieved a Classic build of RunRev 2.0. The main "problem" about transferring HC stuff to RR/LC is the bother of having to run 2 machines next door to each other; one being a PPC Mac running OS 8-9, and the other pretty well anything else running a non-Classic version of RR/LC. By using a Classic version of RR/LC one can get round this problem, and transfer stacks fairly directly. 2.0 was a build that allowed unlicensed users to build stacks and standalones as long as each object contained no more than 10 lines of code (I designed a prototype agent-led GUI for software development with an unlicensed version: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RRRThesis/files/ as a Master's degree thesis at a University), and as such works reasonably well for transferring HC stacks. To a lesser extent one can do this with Metacard 2.5 which is readily available: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MC_IDE/files/ of course the difference between the RunRev UI and the Metacard UI is why RR/LC is still alive and kicking, while Metacard is, now, a UI one can strap onto the RR/LC engine if one likes the experience of flying by the seat of one's pants. > > i cant find an unlicensed zip of the 2.6.1 unfortunately.. > > jeff > > ps i still fire up my old sinclair z80 once and a while for a giggle. micro tape recorder is not doing so well though and tapes i expect to disintegrate with each load! hard to find any rf display input though anymore--another dodo bird! i lost the manual for the z80 and getting harder and harder to remember how to make it all work! basis 108 still lurks in the basement but no monitor for it... jr > > > On Nov 8, 2012, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > >> So . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll >> available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder >> if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if so, >> the URL to download it? > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From iowahengst at mac.com Thu Nov 8 15:51:14 2012 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:51:14 -0600 Subject: 4th generation iPad In-Reply-To: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> Message-ID: <243EDB00-DCE2-400D-BABF-07EB6D338E5B@mac.com> Hello Celeste, I just received my first comment today about an app not working on the iPad 4? did you get things figured out? My apps were built with LC 5.5.1 and xCode 4.4.1. be well, randy ----- On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Celeste Helling wrote: > I just got a report of an app running fine on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation iPads, but crashing on the 4th generation. Has anyone else experienced this? > > Thanks - Celeste > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Thu Nov 8 15:59:12 2012 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 21:59:12 +0100 Subject: Using the sSMTP library In-Reply-To: References: <831941B6-9C4C-4208-A665-2B867C3979AC@gmail.com> <9C2F2CA2-235B-44E7-A8A7-561E072AFAA9@m-r-d.de> <36F7988D-9F9A-4517-B952-EDAAEF837E50@gmail.com> Message-ID: <772FD21F-E08E-4FB4-BD68-2526FE45AE96@m-r-d.de> Any Firewall running? Maybe the Firewall is blocking Livecode connecting to the mailserver over port 25. -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- "Life is too short for boring code" Am 08.11.2012 um 21:07 schrieb Andr? Rombauts : >> >>> I tried then with the altEmailHarness stack from Altuit which uses Shao Sean?s library. >>> With that stack i can send also over an on-rev account. >>> Maybe you give ShaoSeans?smtp library a try. >> >> I did. No way... >> I don't even get any message in the log field... >> I'm using a Hostgator smtp server >> I'm running LC 5.5.3 buid 1496 on OSX 10.8.2. >> > > I tried the Test harness for libSMTP253, version 0.10 > I added some breakpoints > The process stops when executing > get smtpOpen(pServer,pPort,pAuthentication,pUsername,pPassword) > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Thu Nov 8 16:03:47 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:03:47 -0500 Subject: Empty and logical expressions In-Reply-To: <243EDB00-DCE2-400D-BABF-07EB6D338E5B@mac.com> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <243EDB00-DCE2-400D-BABF-07EB6D338E5B@mac.com> Message-ID: <00ae01cdbdf4$8bf324d0$a3d96e70$@net> I just ran down a bug because..... (empty<0) evaluates to true. I would have thought empty is only equal to empty(or "") and any other logical test would be false. Is this common knowledge or did I miss something in the docs? Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net From dunbarx at aol.com Thu Nov 8 16:18:16 2012 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:18:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Empty and logical expressions In-Reply-To: <00ae01cdbdf4$8bf324d0$a3d96e70$@net> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <243EDB00-DCE2-400D-BABF-07EB6D338E5B@mac.com> <00ae01cdbdf4$8bf324d0$a3d96e70$@net> Message-ID: <8CF8C0DB3CB523E-5E8-2A363@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> Hi. If we are not talking about numbers, the ">" operator will compare the ascii values of the two arguments. "0" has ascii 48. Empty, though has ascii, well, empty. I suppose that 48 > nothing. Craig Newman -----Original Message----- From: Ralph DiMola To: 'How to use LiveCode' Sent: Thu, Nov 8, 2012 4:04 pm Subject: Empty and logical expressions I just ran down a bug because..... (empty<0) evaluates to true. I would have thought empty is only equal to empty(or "") and any other logical test would be false. Is this common knowledge or did I miss something in the docs? Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Nov 8 16:25:05 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 22:25:05 +0100 Subject: Empty and logical expressions In-Reply-To: <00ae01cdbdf4$8bf324d0$a3d96e70$@net> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <243EDB00-DCE2-400D-BABF-07EB6D338E5B@mac.com> <00ae01cdbdf4$8bf324d0$a3d96e70$@net> Message-ID: <252F8AEA-CB15-41C7-9838-F86511A493A6@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Ralph, Empty is a value too, but I wouldn't know how to evaluate it. Perhaps empty evaluates to NULL internally, which would give the same result: NULL < 0 is also true. Actually, NULL is less than any other value. Empty < 0 has been true since the beginning of HyperCard. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 8 nov 2012, at 22:03, Ralph DiMola wrote: > I just ran down a bug because..... > > (empty<0) evaluates to true. I would have thought empty is only equal to > empty(or "") and any other logical test would be false. > > Is this common knowledge or did I miss something in the docs? > From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Thu Nov 8 16:34:43 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:34:43 -0500 Subject: Empty and logical expressions In-Reply-To: <252F8AEA-CB15-41C7-9838-F86511A493A6@economy-x-talk.com> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <243EDB00-DCE2-400D-BABF-07EB6D338E5B@mac.com> <00ae01cdbdf4$8bf324d0$a3d96e70$@net> <252F8AEA-CB15-41C7-9838-F86511A493A6@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <00b501cdbdf8$de4475a0$9acd60e0$@net> Mark, Thanks! Did some serious searching and I ran into this case once in all my LC apps and libraries. Here's an interesting exercise I just did....... (Null < 0) ==> true (Empty < 0) ==> true (Empty = Null) ==> false Based on your info, this is what I would have expected. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schonewille Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 4:25 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: Empty and logical expressions Hi Ralph, Empty is a value too, but I wouldn't know how to evaluate it. Perhaps empty evaluates to NULL internally, which would give the same result: NULL < 0 is also true. Actually, NULL is less than any other value. Empty < 0 has been true since the beginning of HyperCard. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 8 nov 2012, at 22:03, Ralph DiMola wrote: > I just ran down a bug because..... > > (empty<0) evaluates to true. I would have thought empty is only equal > to empty(or "") and any other logical test would be false. > > Is this common knowledge or did I miss something in the docs? > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Nov 8 16:40:12 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 22:40:12 +0100 Subject: Empty and logical expressions In-Reply-To: <00b501cdbdf8$de4475a0$9acd60e0$@net> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <243EDB00-DCE2-400D-BABF-07EB6D338E5B@mac.com> <00ae01cdbdf4$8bf324d0$a3d96e70$@net> <252F8AEA-CB15-41C7-9838-F86511A493A6@economy-x-talk.com> <00b501cdbdf8$de4475a0$9acd60e0$@net> Message-ID: Hi Ralph, In addition to your list: (empty < NULL) ==> true :-) -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 8 nov 2012, at 22:34, Ralph DiMola wrote: > Mark, > > Thanks! Did some serious searching and I ran into this case once in all my > LC apps and libraries. > > Here's an interesting exercise I just did....... > > (Null < 0) ==> true > (Empty < 0) ==> true > (Empty = Null) ==> false > > Based on your info, this is what I would have expected. > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Nov 8 17:53:22 2012 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:53:22 -0800 Subject: Unhilite A Scrolling List? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for all the "unhilite" suggestions. Since initial implementation is desktop, I wound up using this: on preOpenCard set traversalOn of fld "arg" to false end preOpenCard on openCard send "enableTheField" to me in 250 millisecs end openCard command enableTheField lock screen set traversalOn of fld "arg" to true set hilitedLines of fld "arg" to 0 unlock screen end enableTheField on resumeStack set traversalOn of fld "arg" to false send "enableTheField" to me in 250 millisecs end resumeStack Seems to work so far. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 11/6/12 6:05 PM, "Mike Bonner" wrote: >If the scrolling list field is the frontmost traversable control, then it >has focus on card change and does get a hilite. In addition, focusing on >an another program then returing to the card also causes a selection. The >send in time thing works for card switches (from my eariler email) but not >for the resume focus. If this is for desktop, I think i'd put a hidden >field that can get focus and that is layered so that it takes focus by >default. Too fuzzy at the moment to figure out the negatives to this >method. Might be easier to just add handlers for suspend, resume, card >changes to get the behavior you wish. >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Thu Nov 8 18:40:17 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:40:17 -0500 Subject: Empty and logical expressions In-Reply-To: References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <243EDB00-DCE2-400D-BABF-07EB6D338E5B@mac.com> <00ae01cdbdf4$8bf324d0$a3d96e70$@net> <252F8AEA-CB15-41C7-9838-F86511A493A6@economy-x-talk.com> <00b501cdbdf8$de4475a0$9acd60e0$@net> Message-ID: <00e301cdbe0a$68a13c40$39e3b4c0$@net> Mark, Another one just bit me. Take this command command TestItems svar1 , svar2 , svar3 put "*" & item 1 of svar2 & "*" end TestItems Now call it like this: TestItems 1, 3 ,2 Yields "*3*" TestItems 1,,2 Yields "**" But what I did NOT expect is.... TestItems 1, ,2 Yields "* *" TestItems 1, ,2 Yields "* *" Now why would extra spaces between parameters become spaces??????? This just move to the top of the bite-an-LC-newbee list for me! Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schonewille Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 4:40 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: Empty and logical expressions Hi Ralph, In addition to your list: (empty < NULL) ==> true :-) -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 8 nov 2012, at 22:34, Ralph DiMola wrote: > Mark, > > Thanks! Did some serious searching and I ran into this case once in > all my LC apps and libraries. > > Here's an interesting exercise I just did....... > > (Null < 0) ==> true > (Empty < 0) ==> true > (Empty = Null) ==> false > > Based on your info, this is what I would have expected. > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Nov 8 18:54:46 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 00:54:46 +0100 Subject: Empty and logical expressions In-Reply-To: <00e301cdbe0a$68a13c40$39e3b4c0$@net> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <243EDB00-DCE2-400D-BABF-07EB6D338E5B@mac.com> <00ae01cdbdf4$8bf324d0$a3d96e70$@net> <252F8AEA-CB15-41C7-9838-F86511A493A6@economy-x-talk.com> <00b501cdbdf8$de4475a0$9acd60e0$@net> <00e301cdbe0a$68a13c40$39e3b4c0$@net> Message-ID: <822F2D20-A301-4E51-8C3A-B9F1F8062D19@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Ralph, I tried it and I get **. on mouseUp TestItems 1, ,2 end mouseUp command TestItems svar1 , svar2 , svar3 put "*" & item 1 of svar2 & "*" --> "**" end TestItems Which version of LiveCode do you use? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 9 nov 2012, at 00:40, Ralph DiMola wrote: > Mark, > > Another one just bit me. Take this command > > command TestItems svar1 , svar2 , svar3 > put "*" & item 1 of svar2 & "*" > end TestItems > > Now call it like this: > TestItems 1, 3 ,2 > Yields "*3*" > > TestItems 1,,2 > Yields "**" > > But what I did NOT expect is.... > > TestItems 1, ,2 > Yields "* *" > > TestItems 1, ,2 > Yields "* *" > > Now why would extra spaces between parameters become spaces??????? > > This just move to the top of the bite-an-LC-newbee list for me! > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Thu Nov 8 19:26:07 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:26:07 -0500 Subject: Empty and logical expressions In-Reply-To: <822F2D20-A301-4E51-8C3A-B9F1F8062D19@economy-x-talk.com> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <243EDB00-DCE2-400D-BABF-07EB6D338E5B@mac.com> <00ae01cdbdf4$8bf324d0$a3d96e70$@net> <252F8AEA-CB15-41C7-9838-F86511A493A6@economy-x-talk.com> <00b501cdbdf8$de4475a0$9acd60e0$@net> <00e301cdbe0a$68a13c40$39e3b4c0$@net> <822F2D20-A301-4E51-8C3A-B9F1F8062D19@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <010701cdbe10$cff8ddc0$6fea9940$@net> Mark, Same wrong result on 5.5.1, 5.5.2 and 5.5.3 on XP SP3 and 5.5.1 on MacBook 10.6.8 When using the message box!!!!!!! When it is in compiled code.... no problem, works as expected. It still sits at the top of the bite-an-LC-newbee list. Thanks for checking it out for me! Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11 Cell: 518-796-9332 -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schonewille Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:55 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: Empty and logical expressions Hi Ralph, I tried it and I get **. on mouseUp ???? TestItems 1,? ,2 end mouseUp command TestItems svar1 , svar2 , svar3 ???? put "*" & item 1 of svar2 & "*" --> "**" end TestItems Which version of LiveCode do you use? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 9 nov 2012, at 00:40, Ralph DiMola wrote: > Mark, > > Another one just bit me. Take this command > > command TestItems svar1 , svar2 , svar3 put "*" & item 1 of svar2 & > "*" > end TestItems > > Now call it like this: > TestItems 1, 3 ,2 > Yields "*3*" > > TestItems 1,,2 > Yields "**" > > But what I did NOT expect is.... > > TestItems 1, ,2 > Yields "* *" > > TestItems 1,?? ,2 > Yields "*?? *" > > Now why would extra spaces between parameters become spaces??????? > > This just move to the top of the bite-an-LC-newbee list for me! > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Nov 8 19:32:36 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 01:32:36 +0100 Subject: Empty and logical expressions In-Reply-To: <010701cdbe10$cff8ddc0$6fea9940$@net> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <243EDB00-DCE2-400D-BABF-07EB6D338E5B@mac.com> <00ae01cdbdf4$8bf324d0$a3d96e70$@net> <252F8AEA-CB15-41C7-9838-F86511A493A6@economy-x-talk.com> <00b501cdbdf8$de4475a0$9acd60e0$@net> <00e301cdbe0a$68a13c40$39e3b4c0$@net> <822F2D20-A301-4E51-8C3A-B9F1F8062D19@economy-x-talk.com> <010701cdbe10$cff8ddc0$6fea9940$@net> Message-ID: <4E0952B0-2E6B-41D2-983D-B7D8BA2DB951@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Ralph, You're welcome. There are still quite a few problems with the message box. It is a very useful tool, but shouldn't be trusted. It is a shame that problems like these occasionally cause frustrations and take a lot of the developer's time. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 9 nov 2012, at 01:26, Ralph DiMola wrote: > Mark, > > Same wrong result on 5.5.1, 5.5.2 and 5.5.3 on XP SP3 and 5.5.1 on MacBook > 10.6.8 > When using the message box!!!!!!! > > When it is in compiled code.... no problem, works as expected. > > It still sits at the top of the bite-an-LC-newbee list. > > Thanks for checking it out for me! > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11 > Cell: 518-796-9332 > From chelling at mac.com Thu Nov 8 20:50:13 2012 From: chelling at mac.com (Celeste Helling) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:50:13 -0500 Subject: 4th generation iPad In-Reply-To: <243EDB00-DCE2-400D-BABF-07EB6D338E5B@mac.com> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <243EDB00-DCE2-400D-BABF-07EB6D338E5B@mac.com> Message-ID: <87654BC0-4637-44D4-BDAE-CF88FE387D9B@mac.com> I recompiled with XCODE 4.5.2, but ended up taking out all of the visual transitions. I couldn't get them to work at all. I am not very happy with the results. Celeste On Nov 8, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Randy Hengst wrote: > Hello Celeste, > > I just received my first comment today about an app not working on the iPad 4? did you get things figured out? > > My apps were built with LC 5.5.1 and xCode 4.4.1. > > > be well, > randy > ----- > On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Celeste Helling wrote: > >> I just got a report of an app running fine on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation iPads, but crashing on the 4th generation. Has anyone else experienced this? >> >> Thanks - Celeste >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dochawk at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 21:51:32 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:51:32 -0800 Subject: Simultaneous access to same SQLite database from separate stacks? Message-ID: If I use locking, can I safely access the same SQLite database from two different standalone simultaneously? -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From pete at lcsql.com Thu Nov 8 22:18:48 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:18:48 -0800 Subject: Simultaneous access to same SQLite database from separate stacks? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, but keep in mind that the whole database is locked for the duration of the transaction so if you have a long operation going on by one user, your other users will have to wait a while. This includes readers will some sort of write operation is going on. There is a newer type of locking called WAL (write ahead locking) that does permit reads while write operations are in progress but the version of the sqlite library in LC is too old to have that available. Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > If I use locking, can I safely access the same SQLite database from two > different standalone simultaneously? > > -- > Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From skip at magicgate.com Thu Nov 8 23:16:54 2012 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 23:16:54 -0500 Subject: Old RunRev Tutorial Message-ID: Doing a Google search for example stacks regarding multiple choice quizzes, I came across this really old RunRev web page with a nice looking example. I can find video and a PDF but does anybody have the original project files for this? http://support.runrev.com/tutorials/projects.php The project I am looking for is: *Multiple Choice Questionnaire - For Online Learning.* Your help would be greatly appreciated if you do have them laying around someplace. SKIP From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Nov 8 23:46:22 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:46:22 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: <26E76FFB-F235-455A-BA7F-704EA142F671@sweattechnologies.com> References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> <1CB9C8E5-D88B-4C44-B50A-A422CB8C01CC@sweattechnologies.com> <26E76FFB-F235-455A-BA7F-704EA142F671@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <87954210-2DB1-492D-BD04-B1EE45722DEC@sweattechnologies.com> Hi Folks We're not quite there yet. Anyone else interested in Game Center? Cheers Monte On 07/11/2012, at 9:07 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Now up to 12 funders and just tipping the 80% funded mark. > > On 06/11/2012, at 10:20 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> Another couple of funders chipped in today so we are now 60% funded. > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From pmbrig at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 23:53:34 2012 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 21:53:34 -0700 Subject: Financial formulae In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:02 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: > You know I did search the dictionary, but never thought of something so obvious as 'annuity' or 'compound'. Well, you learn something new every day (at least I do). I have been known to browse through the dictionary from time to time. That must make me some kind of geek, but I have discovered a few things doing this that I didn't know. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From pmbrig at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 23:56:06 2012 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 21:56:06 -0700 Subject: Missing digest downloads again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04E98687-69AE-4D30-A216-39E75A7703C7@gmail.com> On Nov 5, 2012, at 6:21 AM, Roger Guay wrote: > ? Turns out getting individual emails throughout the day is not so inconvenient after all. For one thing, replying to the individual email maintains the Subject line! And it's pretty easy to set up a file/filter in your email client to shunt all messages from the list into a separate folder upon receipt. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From pmbrig at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 00:06:47 2012 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 22:06:47 -0700 Subject: Unhilite A Scrolling List? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 6, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > If the scrolling list field is the frontmost traversable control, then it > has focus on card change and does get a hilite. In addition, focusing on > an another program then returing to the card also causes a selection. The > send in time thing works for card switches (from my eariler email) but not > for the resume focus. If this is for desktop, I think i'd put a hidden > field that can get focus and that is layered so that it takes focus by > default. Too fuzzy at the moment to figure out the negatives to this > method. Might be easier to just add handlers for suspend, resume, card > changes to get the behavior you wish. You can also put the field into a group and set the traversalon of the group to false, and it won't get the hilite on opencard. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From andre.rombauts at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 01:04:21 2012 From: andre.rombauts at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Rombauts?=) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:04:21 +0100 Subject: Using the sSMTP library In-Reply-To: <772FD21F-E08E-4FB4-BD68-2526FE45AE96@m-r-d.de> References: <831941B6-9C4C-4208-A665-2B867C3979AC@gmail.com> <9C2F2CA2-235B-44E7-A8A7-561E072AFAA9@m-r-d.de> <36F7988D-9F9A-4517-B952-EDAAEF837E50@gmail.com> <772FD21F-E08E-4FB4-BD68-2526FE45AE96@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <30748D58-B872-46C7-9DEA-1A35D8F8FAAD@gmail.com> Le 8 nov. 2012 ? 21:59, Matthias Rebbe a ?crit : > Any Firewall running? > Maybe the Firewall is blocking Livecode connecting to the mailserver over port 25. If a FW was blocking, the port would be blocked too for my current Apple Mail app, I think. Performing other tests. Andr? From andre.rombauts at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 01:31:44 2012 From: andre.rombauts at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Rombauts?=) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:31:44 +0100 Subject: Using SMTP lib Message-ID: >> Any Firewall running? >> Maybe the Firewall is blocking Livecode connecting to the mailserver over port 25. > > If a FW was blocking, the port would be blocked too for my current Apple Mail app, I think. > Performing other tests. I change to port 465. The script advances somewhat: a connection can be established, but getting the message Opening:false, then everything hangs (and I have to force LC to quit). get smtpOpen(pServer,pPort,pAuthentication,pUsername,pPassword) altLog "Opening:" & it if it is false then get smtpClose() altLog "Error Connecting to Server:" & it altLog smtpGetTranscript() return "false" end if As I don't even get the message "Error Connecting to Server", I guess that LC is blocked in smtpOpen() command Then I changed to port 587, and advanced a bit more: port openend, message sent but refused: Message: <<< 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first Andr? From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 05:19:09 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:19:09 +0200 Subject: Back To The Future with revreportsetup.rev Message-ID: <509CD89D.6090304@gmail.com> Digging around, as one does, I found 'revreportsetup.rev in the Tools folder of RR 3.0 and opened it up in my current version (4.5) and, Lo! it worked; so, why has it vanished from the Toolset? Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 05:21:11 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:21:11 +0200 Subject: Back To The Future with revreportsetup.rev In-Reply-To: <509CD89D.6090304@gmail.com> References: <509CD89D.6090304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <509CD917.9050802@gmail.com> On 11/09/2012 12:19 PM, Richmond wrote: > Digging around, as one does, I found 'revreportsetup.rev in the Tools > folder > of RR 3.0 and opened it up in my current version (4.5) and, Lo! it > worked; > so, why has it vanished from the Toolset? > > Richmond. AND, is anybody going to get "Hot and Sweaty" if I turn it into a plug-in and release it "into the wild" ? From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 05:50:40 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:50:40 +0200 Subject: Old RunRev Tutorial In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <509CE000.1040406@gmail.com> On 11/09/2012 06:16 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote: > Doing a Google search for example stacks regarding multiple choice quizzes, > I came across this really old RunRev web page with a nice looking example. > I can find video and a PDF but does anybody have the original project files > for this? > > http://support.runrev.com/tutorials/projects.php > > The project I am looking for is: *Multiple Choice Questionnaire - For > Online Learning.* > > Your help would be greatly appreciated if you do have them laying around > someplace. > > SKIP > _______________________________________________ > I'm probably missing the point completely (not for the first time), BUT . . . In my version of RR/LC 4.5 under the menuItem 'HELP' I found 'Resource Center', and through that was able to download the Multiple Choice Questionaire (sic) For Online Learning. [pity somebody couldn't spell 'Questionnaire' though!] If, for some odd reason you are unable to download the stack feel free to e-mail me off-list and I will zip a copy for you and send it your way. Richmond. From klaus at major.on-rev.com Fri Nov 9 05:53:10 2012 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:53:10 +0100 Subject: Table DataGrid AddData Bug or documentation error? Message-ID: Hi friends, I have a problem with one of my datagrids. 1. It is a TABLE with a custom column behavior. 2. When I populate it with an ARRAY (set the DGDATA of ...), everything is fine. 3. When I want to add data I use: ... dispatch "AddData" to grp "dg" with tArray ... to add the new data at the end. But nothing gets displayed? Debugging the custom behavior "on filliData tData" in that case showed me that tData was empty when using "AddData" with an array. "Printkeys" finally showd me that the new data is added as an ARRAY? although the docs let me think this should work with a TABLE datagrid: ..................................................... AddData - AddData pDataArray, pLine - Use this command to add data to the data grid after you have already populated it by setting the dgData or DGTEXT. .......................................................... DGTEXT lets me think it should work with a table, too! So is this a bug or wrong documentation and I need to use "AddLine" with TAB delimited text? Thanks for any pointers! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Nov 9 07:02:49 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:02:49 +0100 Subject: Back To The Future with revreportsetup.rev In-Reply-To: <509CD89D.6090304@gmail.com> References: <509CD89D.6090304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <621D1E91-BE56-40E9-9A22-1AAF6078E2CA@economy-x-talk.com> Richmond, I think it was too limited and nobody wanted to spend resources on it to improve it. If you re-release it as a plugin, you might frustrate people who run into the limitations. What about creating an all-new plugin along the lines of 9to5 reports, but compatible with all current database systems? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 9 nov 2012, at 11:19, Richmond wrote: > Digging around, as one does, I found 'revreportsetup.rev in the Tools folder > of RR 3.0 and opened it up in my current version (4.5) and, Lo! it worked; > so, why has it vanished from the Toolset? > > Richmond. > From bonnmike at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 08:27:23 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:27:23 -0700 Subject: Financial formulae In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: found my other stack, heres the script from it. (got the script from somewhere else and adjusted for lc) */ * //---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * *// COMPOUND INTEREST* *// present value, future value, imputed compound interest rate per period.* *// NumPeriods and InterestPerPeriod are relative to each other, regardless of the units used for either.* * //---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * *function* PresentValue NumPeriods, InterestPerPeriod, FutureValue *return* FutureValue / (1 + InterestPerPeriod) ^ NumPeriods *end* presentvalue *function* FutureValue NumPeriods, InterestPerPeriod, PresentValue *return* PresentValue * (1 + InterestPerPeriod) ^ NumPeriods *end* futurevalue *function* ImputedInterest PresentValue, FutureValue, NumPeriods *return* (FutureValue / PresentValue) ^ ((1 / NumPeriods) - 1) *end* imputedInterest *function* NumPeriods PresentValue, FutureValue, InterestPerPeriod *return* (log10(FutureValue) - log10(PresentValue)) / log10(1 + InterestPerPeriod) *end* numPeriods * //---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * *// PERIODIC INTEREST RATES* *// Given an annual rate, returns an array containing the rates for shorter periods. * *// The elements can be accessed as, for example, Rates["Daily"] or Rates.Daily.* *function* GetPeriodicInterestRates AnnualRate *put* AnnualRate into Rates["Annually"] *put* AnnualRate /2 into Rates["Semiannually"] *put* AnnualRate /4 into Rates["Quarterly"] *put* AnnualRate /12 into Rates["Monthly"] *put* AnnualRate /52 into Rates["Weekly"] *put* AnnualRate /365 into Rates["Daily"] *return* Rates *end* getPeriodicInterestRates On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: > On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:02 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: > > > You know I did search the dictionary, but never thought of something so > obvious as 'annuity' or 'compound'. Well, you learn something new every day > (at least I do). > > I have been known to browse through the dictionary from time to time. That > must make me some kind of geek, but I have discovered a few things doing > this that I didn't know. > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From skip at magicgate.com Fri Nov 9 09:08:46 2012 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:08:46 -0500 Subject: Old RunRev Tutorial In-Reply-To: <509CE000.1040406@gmail.com> References: <509CE000.1040406@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Richmond, No, unfortunately in 5.5.3 I don't have that in the resource center..... Thank you for offering up the files! SKIP On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 11/09/2012 06:16 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote: > >> Doing a Google search for example stacks regarding multiple choice >> quizzes, >> I came across this really old RunRev web page with a nice looking example. >> I can find video and a PDF but does anybody have the original project >> files >> for this? >> >> http://support.runrev.com/**tutorials/projects.php >> >> The project I am looking for is: *Multiple Choice Questionnaire - For >> Online Learning.* >> >> >> Your help would be greatly appreciated if you do have them laying around >> someplace. >> >> SKIP >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> > I'm probably missing the point completely (not for the first time), > > BUT . . . > > In my version of RR/LC 4.5 under the menuItem 'HELP' > > I found 'Resource Center', and through that was able to download > the Multiple Choice Questionaire (sic) For Online Learning. > > [pity somebody couldn't spell 'Questionnaire' though!] > > If, for some odd reason you are unable to download the stack > feel free to e-mail me off-list and I will zip a copy for > you and send it your way. > > Richmond. > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From dochawk at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 09:29:52 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:29:52 -0800 Subject: Simultaneous access to same SQLite database from separate stacks? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thursday, November 8, 2012, Peter Haworth wrote: > Yes, but keep in mind that the whole database is locked for the duration of > the transaction so if you have a long operation going on by one user, your > other users will have to wait a while. That should be livable, I think. the foreground is fairly small transactions (either a single row with something like 50 columns, or a couple of dozen rows with half a dozen columns). the background would be a periodic sync with the remote cloud database, so also fairly small. thank you. but it still sounds like I would be better off using the built-in PostgreSQL on Mac, and preferring that MySQL or PostgreSQL be installed on windows & Linux. > This includes readers will some > sort of write operation is going on. There is a newer type of locking > called WAL (write ahead locking) that does permit reads while write > operations are in progress but the version of the sqlite library in LC is > too old to have that available. > Hmm, I don't suppose that I could compile and include with/in my standalones in any practical manner? -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri Nov 9 10:28:03 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:28:03 -0500 Subject: Old RunRev Tutorial In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <508F42B7-07AB-4A3E-A5FE-747BAF8F1B5D@mac.com> Skip, Here is a link to that stack from 2007 on my dropbox:https://www.dropbox.com/s/0r8ktm2jkr1fci4/Multiple%20Choice%20Questionnaire.rev.zip -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote: > Doing a Google search for example stacks regarding multiple choice quizzes, > I came across this really old RunRev web page with a nice looking example. > I can find video and a PDF but does anybody have the original project files > for this? > > http://support.runrev.com/tutorials/projects.php > > The project I am looking for is: *Multiple Choice Questionnaire - For > Online Learning.* > > Your help would be greatly appreciated if you do have them laying around > someplace. > > SKIP > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From livfoss at mac.com Fri Nov 9 11:09:36 2012 From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:09:36 +0100 Subject: Financial formulae In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9CDC967F-5B4F-4ED6-9C68-B2440E75325C@mac.com> Thanks Mike I am keeping this as part of my growing library of such stuff. Incidentally my own problem with imitating spreadsheet behaviour has moved from financial functions (solved for now thanks to your help and some internet searches) to the problem of simulating recursive evaluation in a grid of values: A1 to An is a set of values; B1 to Bn is another set - think of them both as rows in a spreadsheet. On first glance, A depends on B and B depends on A! Oops. On second glance, A1 is an initial value as is B1, then A2 depends on B1 etc., so the grid can be solved after all. I am hand-crafting all this when it would work automatically in a spreadsheet? a generalised spreadsheet object for iOS would be a fine thing, but IMHO we will never see one. Back to the grindstone Graham On 9 Nov 2012, at 14:27, Mike Bonner wrote: > found my other stack, heres the script from it. (got the script from > somewhere else and adjusted for lc) > > */ > > * > //---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > * > > *// COMPOUND INTEREST* > > *// present value, future value, imputed compound interest rate per period.* > > *// NumPeriods and InterestPerPeriod are relative to each other, regardless > of the units used for either.* > > * > //---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > * > > *function* PresentValue NumPeriods, InterestPerPeriod, FutureValue > > *return* FutureValue / (1 + InterestPerPeriod) ^ NumPeriods > > *end* presentvalue > > > *function* FutureValue NumPeriods, InterestPerPeriod, PresentValue > > *return* PresentValue * (1 + InterestPerPeriod) ^ NumPeriods > > *end* futurevalue > > > *function* ImputedInterest PresentValue, FutureValue, NumPeriods > > *return* (FutureValue / PresentValue) ^ ((1 / NumPeriods) - 1) > > *end* imputedInterest > > > *function* NumPeriods PresentValue, FutureValue, InterestPerPeriod > > *return* (log10(FutureValue) - log10(PresentValue)) / log10(1 + > InterestPerPeriod) > > *end* numPeriods > > > > * > //---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > * > > *// PERIODIC INTEREST RATES* > > *// Given an annual rate, returns an array containing the rates for shorter > periods. * > > *// The elements can be accessed as, for example, Rates["Daily"] or > Rates.Daily.* > > *function* GetPeriodicInterestRates AnnualRate > > *put* AnnualRate into Rates["Annually"] > > *put* AnnualRate /2 into Rates["Semiannually"] > > *put* AnnualRate /4 into Rates["Quarterly"] > > *put* AnnualRate /12 into Rates["Monthly"] > > *put* AnnualRate /52 into Rates["Weekly"] > > *put* AnnualRate /365 into Rates["Daily"] > > *return* Rates > > *end* getPeriodicInterestRates > > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: > >> On Nov 5, 2012, at 3:02 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: >> >>> You know I did search the dictionary, but never thought of something so >> obvious as 'annuity' or 'compound'. Well, you learn something new every day >> (at least I do). >> >> I have been known to browse through the dictionary from time to time. That >> must make me some kind of geek, but I have discovered a few things doing >> this that I didn't know. >> >> -- Peter >> >> Peter M. Brigham >> pmbrig at gmail.com >> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Fri Nov 9 11:35:41 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 08:35:41 -0800 Subject: Simultaneous access to same SQLite database from separate stacks? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Thursday, November 8, 2012, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > Yes, but keep in mind that the whole database is locked for the duration > of > > the transaction so if you have a long operation going on by one user, > your > > other users will have to wait a while. > > > That should be livable, I think. > > the foreground is fairly small transactions (either a single row with > something like 50 columns, or a couple of dozen rows with half a dozen > columns). the background would be a periodic sync with the remote cloud > database, so also fairly small. > Just be 150% sure that your error handling is bullet proof or you could end up in a deadlock situation! > > thank you. > > but it still sounds like I would be better off using the built-in > PostgreSQL on Mac, and preferring that MySQL or PostgreSQL be installed on > windows & Linux. > I believe that both postgresql and mySQL have syncing functions built in although I've never tried them. > > > > This includes readers will some > > sort of write operation is going on. There is a newer type of locking > > called WAL (write ahead locking) that does permit reads while write > > operations are in progress but the version of the sqlite library in LC is > > too old to have that available. > > > > Hmm, I don't suppose that I could compile and include with/in my > standalones in any practical manner? > I don't know enough about compiling external libraries into a standalone but I'm pretty sure it would take a whole bunch of Livecode externals to make that work. > > > -- > Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pete at lcsql.com Fri Nov 9 11:38:02 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 08:38:02 -0800 Subject: Bug with Popup menus on Windows Message-ID: Posted this on the Dev list a couple of days ago but still looking for an answer so trying here. I'm seeing some strange behavior with popup menus on Windows. The same menus work perfectly on OS X. I have a customer who has reported that after right clicking on a scrolling list field to bring up a popup menu, he is unable to select any of the items on it nor get rid of the popup. I have not seen quite that behavior but if I right click, then select a menu item that has submenu items attached to it, I cannot get out of the submenus unless I select one, nor can I get out of the popup itself. I could not find a bug report on the first problem but I found bug# 9718 on the second issue, recognised as a bug on 9/12/2011 but apparently still not fixed. Surely this is a serious enough problem to warrant being fixed in less than a year! If anyone else has come across these issues and has any sort of workaround, I;d be grateful to hear it. Thanks, Pete lcSQL Software From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Nov 9 11:44:35 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 17:44:35 +0100 Subject: Bug with Popup menus on Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter, I have exactly the same problem in a plugin for in-house use. I have a field with a mouseUp and a mouseDown handler. The mouseDown handler shows the popup menu and the mouseUp handler does something unrelated. On Mac it works fine, but on Windows it doesn't. I don't know if this is useful information for you, but maybe it gives you a hint somehow. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 9 nov 2012, at 17:38, Peter Haworth wrote: > Posted this on the Dev list a couple of days ago but still looking for an > answer so trying here. > > I'm seeing some strange behavior with popup menus on Windows. The same > menus work perfectly on OS X. > > I have a customer who has reported that after right clicking on a scrolling > list field to bring up a popup menu, he is unable to select any of the > items on it nor get rid of the popup. > > I have not seen quite that behavior but if I right click, then select a > menu item that has submenu items attached to it, I cannot get out of the > submenus unless I select one, nor can I get out of the popup itself. > > I could not find a bug report on the first problem but I found bug# 9718 on > the second issue, recognised as a bug on 9/12/2011 but apparently still not > fixed. Surely this is a serious enough problem to warrant being fixed in > less than a year! > > If anyone else has come across these issues and has any sort of workaround, > I;d be grateful to hear it. > > Thanks, > > Pete > lcSQL Software > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 11:54:42 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 18:54:42 +0200 Subject: Old RunRev Tutorial In-Reply-To: <508F42B7-07AB-4A3E-A5FE-747BAF8F1B5D@mac.com> References: <508F42B7-07AB-4A3E-A5FE-747BAF8F1B5D@mac.com> Message-ID: <509D3552.4060007@gmail.com> On 11/09/2012 05:28 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Skip, > > Here is a link to that stack from 2007 on my dropbox:https://www.dropbox.com/s/0r8ktm2jkr1fci4/Multiple%20Choice%20Questionnaire.rev.zip > > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > Thanks a lot. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 12:03:25 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:03:25 +0200 Subject: Back To The Future with revreportsetup.rev In-Reply-To: <621D1E91-BE56-40E9-9A22-1AAF6078E2CA@economy-x-talk.com> References: <509CD89D.6090304@gmail.com> <621D1E91-BE56-40E9-9A22-1AAF6078E2CA@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <509D375D.30309@gmail.com> On 11/09/2012 02:02 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Richmond, > > I think it was too limited and nobody wanted to spend resources on it to improve it. If you re-release it as a plugin, you might frustrate people who run into the limitations. > > What about creating an all-new plugin along the lines of 9to5 reports, but compatible with all current database systems? > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode I just found that there is a copy of revreportsetup.rev in the 'unsupported' folder inside the 'Toolset' folder of 4.5. From cmsheffield at icloud.com Fri Nov 9 12:20:29 2012 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:20:29 -0700 Subject: iOS: restoring in-app purchases Message-ID: <6FD4723C-7F3C-45F5-A3DD-7096953ADF22@icloud.com> Does anyone out there have a step-by-step on how to do this? The docs don't make it very clear. I understand I need to issue the mobileRestorePurchases command, but what do I do after that? I'd like to be able to retrieve a list of product IDs of previous purchases so that I can have complete control over the restore process, but I'm not sure if that's possible. Any pointers? Thanks, Chris -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally, Inc. www.readnaturally.com From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri Nov 9 12:25:30 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:25:30 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: <87954210-2DB1-492D-BD04-B1EE45722DEC@sweattechnologies.com> References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> <1CB9C8E5-D88B-4C44-B50A-A422CB8C01CC@sweattechnologies.com> <26E76FFB-F235-455A-BA7F-704EA142F671@sweattechnologies.com> <87954210-2DB1-492D-BD04-B1EE45722DEC@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Monte, I sent a payment for funding the Game Center external but encountered an error after submitting to paypal. It stated a database connection error. Now I can't seem to even get the mergext site to load. Did it go through? how can I tell if you received the payment? Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:46 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Hi Folks > > We're not quite there yet. Anyone else interested in Game Center? > > Cheers > > Monte > > On 07/11/2012, at 9:07 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> Now up to 12 funders and just tipping the 80% funded mark. >> >> On 06/11/2012, at 10:20 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: >> >>> Another couple of funders chipped in today so we are now 60% funded. >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Fri Nov 9 12:33:27 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 09:33:27 -0800 Subject: Bug with Popup menus on Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Mark. I think I need to file a QCC report on this. Pete Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi Peter, > > I have exactly the same problem in a plugin for in-house use. I have a > field with a mouseUp and a mouseDown handler. The mouseDown handler shows > the popup menu and the mouseUp handler does something unrelated. On Mac it > works fine, but on Windows it doesn't. I don't know if this is useful > information for you, but maybe it gives you a hint somehow. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour > spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > > We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. > > > > > On 9 nov 2012, at 17:38, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > Posted this on the Dev list a couple of days ago but still looking for an > > answer so trying here. > > > > I'm seeing some strange behavior with popup menus on Windows. The same > > menus work perfectly on OS X. > > > > I have a customer who has reported that after right clicking on a > scrolling > > list field to bring up a popup menu, he is unable to select any of the > > items on it nor get rid of the popup. > > > > I have not seen quite that behavior but if I right click, then select a > > menu item that has submenu items attached to it, I cannot get out of the > > submenus unless I select one, nor can I get out of the popup itself. > > > > I could not find a bug report on the first problem but I found bug# 9718 > on > > the second issue, recognised as a bug on 9/12/2011 but apparently still > not > > fixed. Surely this is a serious enough problem to warrant being fixed in > > less than a year! > > > > If anyone else has come across these issues and has any sort of > workaround, > > I;d be grateful to hear it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From skip at magicgate.com Fri Nov 9 12:45:15 2012 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:45:15 -0500 Subject: Old RunRev Tutorial In-Reply-To: <509D3552.4060007@gmail.com> References: <508F42B7-07AB-4A3E-A5FE-747BAF8F1B5D@mac.com> <509D3552.4060007@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you! On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 11/09/2012 05:28 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> Skip, >> >> Here is a link to that stack from 2007 on my dropbox:https://www.dropbox. >> **com/s/0r8ktm2jkr1fci4/**Multiple%20Choice%**20Questionnaire.rev.zip >> >> >> -- Tom McGrath III >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> 3mcgrath at comcast.net >> >> >> > Thanks a lot. > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Nov 9 13:15:20 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 05:15:20 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> <1CB9C8E5-D88B-4C44-B50A-A422CB8C01CC@sweattechnologies.com> <26E76FFB-F235-455A-BA7F-704EA142F671@sweattechnologies.com> <87954210-2DB1-492D-BD04-B1EE45722DEC@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <404EAB4F-D331-4B3B-BF20-AD47B87BC922@sweattechnologies.com> I got it thanks! Getting really close now. Please let me know if you didn't receive the invoice and ill send again. Maybe MySQL went down on on-rev yet again... Seems to be up now. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 10/11/2012, at 4:25 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Monte, > > I sent a payment for funding the Game Center external but encountered an error after submitting to paypal. It stated a database connection error. Now I can't seem to even get the mergext site to load. Did it go through? how can I tell if you received the payment? > > Tom > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:46 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> Hi Folks >> >> We're not quite there yet. Anyone else interested in Game Center? >> >> Cheers >> >> Monte >> >> On 07/11/2012, at 9:07 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: >> >>> Now up to 12 funders and just tipping the 80% funded mark. >>> >>> On 06/11/2012, at 10:20 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: >>> >>>> Another couple of funders chipped in today so we are now 60% funded. >>> >>> -- >>> M E R Goulding >>> Software development services >>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >>> >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Fri Nov 9 13:24:13 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:24:13 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> <1CB9C8E5-D88B-4C44-B50A-A422CB8C01CC@sweattechnologies.com> <26E76FFB-F235-455A-BA7F-704EA142F671@sweattechnologies.com> <87954210-2DB1-492D-BD04-B1EE45722DEC@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <014401cdbea7$6bac9220$4305b660$@net> I'm in! Tom, I just paid with PayPal via the Mergext site and had no problems. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrath III Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:26 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity Monte, I sent a payment for funding the Game Center external but encountered an error after submitting to paypal. It stated a database connection error. Now I can't seem to even get the mergext site to load. Did it go through? how can I tell if you received the payment? Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:46 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Hi Folks > > We're not quite there yet. Anyone else interested in Game Center? > > Cheers > > Monte > > On 07/11/2012, at 9:07 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> Now up to 12 funders and just tipping the 80% funded mark. >> >> On 06/11/2012, at 10:20 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: >> >>> Another couple of funders chipped in today so we are now 60% funded. >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Nov 9 13:55:02 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:55:02 -0800 Subject: Bug with Popup menus on Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <509D5186.2080107@fourthworld.com> Possibly related: Bug 7766 - use of popup in a scrolling field halts mouseMove messages http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7766 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From revolution at derbrill.de Fri Nov 9 14:18:20 2012 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 20:18:20 +0100 Subject: Datagrid UNICODE for table headers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, anyone could help me out wether it is possible to set the Headers of a datagrid to Unicode Text (or even better UTF8?) Someone suggested to use the datagridhelper, however, I need this to be dynamic and settable by script. :-) Any pointer much appreciated! Malte From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Nov 9 14:23:07 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 06:23:07 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: <014401cdbea7$6bac9220$4305b660$@net> References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> <1CB9C8E5-D88B-4C44-B50A-A422CB8C01CC@sweattechnologies.com> <26E76FFB-F235-455A-BA7F-704EA142F671@sweattechnologies.com> <87954210-2DB1-492D-BD04-B1EE45722DEC@sweattechnologies.com> <014401cdbea7$6bac9220$4305b660$@net> Message-ID: <69CB4B81-8AC0-4772-97A9-ECC6D19074C4@sweattechnologies.com> Thanks Ralph and all the other generous funders. It now looks like we are up to the point where I can deliver an external including at least peer to peer messaging, leaderboards and achievements. Any extra funding will go into implementing more GameKit features. Challenges look like a great addition in ios 6 and would be the next thing I'd target. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 10/11/2012, at 5:24 AM, "Ralph DiMola" wrote: > I'm in! > > Tom, > > I just paid with PayPal via the Mergext site and had no problems. > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf > Of Thomas McGrath III > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:26 PM > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity > > Monte, > > I sent a payment for funding the Game Center external but encountered an > error after submitting to paypal. It stated a database connection error. Now > I can't seem to even get the mergext site to load. Did it go through? how > can I tell if you received the payment? > > Tom > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:46 PM, Monte Goulding > wrote: > >> Hi Folks >> >> We're not quite there yet. Anyone else interested in Game Center? >> >> Cheers >> >> Monte >> >> On 07/11/2012, at 9:07 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: >> >>> Now up to 12 funders and just tipping the 80% funded mark. >>> >>> On 06/11/2012, at 10:20 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: >>> >>>> Another couple of funders chipped in today so we are now 60% funded. >>> >>> -- >>> M E R Goulding >>> Software development services >>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >>> >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From harrison at all-auctions.com Fri Nov 9 14:29:14 2012 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:29:14 -0500 Subject: LiveCode Slides & Appstore Apps List In-Reply-To: References: <508F42B7-07AB-4A3E-A5FE-747BAF8F1B5D@mac.com> <509D3552.4060007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <16F4FC38-F09F-43B0-9145-B4D4C4B918FF@all-auctions.com> Hi there, This is my last appeal to this list for any of the following resources as I'm giving my presentation on "Making Apps with LiveCode" this next week for a lot of potential purchasers of LiveCode. 1. Any Marketing type slides which explain LiveCode. (Others out there must have made presentations like this before and surely there must be something. Does Kevin have anything?) 2. A list of Apps on the iTunes store which have been made with LiveCode. 3. Specs on the size of LiveCode's user base. 4. A list of user resources available, websites, this list, rev-online, etc. 5. Anything else you might suggest. Thank you in advance! Rick From pete at lcsql.com Fri Nov 9 15:01:18 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:01:18 -0800 Subject: Bug with Popup menus on Windows In-Reply-To: <509D5186.2080107@fourthworld.com> References: <509D5186.2080107@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Thanks Richard. I saw that one in the QCC and I think it is related although in my case, the situation is that after the popup is displayed, it's impossible to select an item from it or even click anywhere outside the popup in order to dismiss it. Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Possibly related: > > Bug 7766 - use of popup in a scrolling field halts mouseMove messages > http://quality.runrev.com/**show_bug.cgi?id=7766 > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/**FourthWorldSys > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 18:00:11 2012 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 00:00:11 +0100 Subject: Datagrid UNICODE for table headers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Malte, In DGH, be assured we have nothing really hard coded. :-) For Unicode labels, DGH installs a handler in the default header behavior of the datagrid and disables the pEncoding parameter of the dgLabel property. For column contents, DGH manages some special properties for allowing developers to change column encoding by code. Here is the DGH lesson for changing the header behavior of a datagrid by using DGH: http://lessons.runrev.com/m/4068/l/56190 Without DGH, a solution could consist to change the default header behavior of your datagrid by using: set the dgProp["default header behavior"] of grp "myDatagrid" to the long id of btn "MyCustomHeaderBehavior" Copy the default script for header behavior directly from the datagrid library by using: set script of btn "MyCustomHeaderBehavior" to script of btn "Default Header" of stack "revDataGridLibrary" In the button script you have to change the code of the dgLabel property for doing what you need with unicode. On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Malte Brill wrote: > Hi, > > anyone could help me out wether it is possible to set the Headers of a datagrid to Unicode Text (or even better UTF8?) Someone suggested to use the datagridhelper, however, I need this to be dynamic and settable by script. :-) > > Any pointer much appreciated! > > Malte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Best Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.com From sundown at pacifier.com Fri Nov 9 18:58:57 2012 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:58:57 -0800 Subject: Videos on Web Message-ID: <14D60903-F477-4731-90EC-21DFBF36DA3D@pacifier.com> I have a site hosted by Run rev and my videos do not work but the web pages and sound still work. These are web pages with videos that have been working for over a year and now they videos don't show up when the page is loaded but the sound still plays. Anyone know what happened? -=>JB<=- From sundown at pacifier.com Fri Nov 9 19:10:39 2012 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:10:39 -0800 Subject: Videos on Web In-Reply-To: <14D60903-F477-4731-90EC-21DFBF36DA3D@pacifier.com> References: <14D60903-F477-4731-90EC-21DFBF36DA3D@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <40C4D541-CF0B-468B-A118-0F139E8B34AD@pacifier.com> Now I see that the videos work with FireFox but not with Safari anymore. Anyone know how to correct the problem? -=JB wrote: > I have a site hosted by Run rev and my videos do not > work but the web pages and sound still work. > > These are web pages with videos that have been > working for over a year and now they videos don't > show up when the page is loaded but the sound > still plays. > > Anyone know what happened? > > -=>JB<=- > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri Nov 9 19:17:54 2012 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:17:54 -0800 Subject: Videos on Web In-Reply-To: <40C4D541-CF0B-468B-A118-0F139E8B34AD@pacifier.com> References: <14D60903-F477-4731-90EC-21DFBF36DA3D@pacifier.com> <40C4D541-CF0B-468B-A118-0F139E8B34AD@pacifier.com> Message-ID: try using html5 and a 'player' such as the longtail JW Player.... http://www.longtailvideo.com/jw-player/ to make video play in all browsers on all platforms is an art.... trust me...you might have to furnish multiple video files to cover every browser, although things are settling down, standards wise. the longtail folks are at the leading edge of video delivery, and have many tutorials and demos. On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:10 PM, -=>JB<=- wrote: > Now I see that the videos work with FireFox but > not with Safari anymore. > > Anyone know how to correct the problem? > > -= > > On Nov 9, 2012, at 3:58 PM, -=>JB wrote: > > > I have a site hosted by Run rev and my videos do not > > work but the web pages and sound still work. > > > > These are web pages with videos that have been > > working for over a year and now they videos don't > > show up when the page is loaded but the sound > > still plays. > > > > Anyone know what happened? > > > > -=>JB<=- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From sundown at pacifier.com Fri Nov 9 19:20:35 2012 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:20:35 -0800 Subject: Videos on Web In-Reply-To: References: <14D60903-F477-4731-90EC-21DFBF36DA3D@pacifier.com> <40C4D541-CF0B-468B-A118-0F139E8B34AD@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <7DF4502E-7BF8-42C4-8A17-B4227524F91F@pacifier.com> Thank you very much, Stephen. -=>JB<=- On Nov 9, 2012, at 4:17 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > try using html5 and a 'player' such as the longtail JW Player.... > http://www.longtailvideo.com/jw-player/ > > to make video play in all browsers on all platforms is an art.... trust > me...you might have to furnish multiple video files to cover every browser, > although things are settling down, standards wise. > > the longtail folks are at the leading edge of video delivery, and have many > tutorials and demos. > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:10 PM, -=>JB<=- wrote: > >> Now I see that the videos work with FireFox but >> not with Safari anymore. >> >> Anyone know how to correct the problem? >> >> -=> >> >> On Nov 9, 2012, at 3:58 PM, -=>JB wrote: >> >>> I have a site hosted by Run rev and my videos do not >>> work but the web pages and sound still work. >>> >>> These are web pages with videos that have been >>> working for over a year and now they videos don't >>> show up when the page is loaded but the sound >>> still plays. >>> >>> Anyone know what happened? >>> >>> -=>JB<=- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > -- > > > > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco Ca. USA > > more about sqb > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Nov 9 21:03:43 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:03:43 -1000 Subject: Videos on Web In-Reply-To: References: <14D60903-F477-4731-90EC-21DFBF36DA3D@pacifier.com> <40C4D541-CF0B-468B-A118-0F139E8B34AD@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <31838E0F-8020-49BE-A612-D6BD2CF6FD09@me.com> Ahhh standards. Everybody has one. Sent from my iPad On Nov 9, 2012, at 2:17 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > try using html5 and a 'player' such as the longtail JW Player.... > http://www.longtailvideo.com/jw-player/ > > to make video play in all browsers on all platforms is an art.... trust > me...you might have to furnish multiple video files to cover every browser, > although things are settling down, standards wise. > > the longtail folks are at the leading edge of video delivery, and have many > tutorials and demos. > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:10 PM, -=>JB<=- wrote: > >> Now I see that the videos work with FireFox but >> not with Safari anymore. >> >> Anyone know how to correct the problem? >> >> -=> >> >> On Nov 9, 2012, at 3:58 PM, -=>JB wrote: >> >>> I have a site hosted by Run rev and my videos do not >>> work but the web pages and sound still work. >>> >>> These are web pages with videos that have been >>> working for over a year and now they videos don't >>> show up when the page is loaded but the sound >>> still plays. >>> >>> Anyone know what happened? >>> >>> -=>JB<=- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > -- > > > > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco Ca. USA > > more about sqb > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Nov 9 21:36:32 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:36:32 -1000 Subject: Simultaneous access to same SQLite database from separate stacks? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <659217A4-A56D-45E9-A56B-D4064D6D8ABA@me.com> Just a warning. Our original electronic key system used an access database. They claimed it was "multi-user". Well, it was as multi-user as access. Which is to say it sucked. We corrupted data so many times just using it from 3 or 4 workstations that we eventually upgraded to the enterprise system at a discount because they felt so bad for selling us that can of worms. (Vendor names duly avoided). What's the point you say? Only use products designed to be multiuser from the ground up, at least if you are developing a commercial product. Bob On Nov 9, 2012, at 4:29 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Thursday, November 8, 2012, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> Yes, but keep in mind that the whole database is locked for the duration of >> the transaction so if you have a long operation going on by one user, your >> other users will have to wait a while. > > > That should be livable, I think. From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Nov 9 21:41:23 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:41:23 -1000 Subject: Empty and logical expressions In-Reply-To: <00b501cdbdf8$de4475a0$9acd60e0$@net> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <243EDB00-DCE2-400D-BABF-07EB6D338E5B@mac.com> <00ae01cdbdf4$8bf324d0$a3d96e70$@net> <252F8AEA-CB15-41C7-9838-F86511A493A6@economy-x-talk.com> <00b501cdbdf8$de4475a0$9acd60e0$@net> Message-ID: <37C84B68-1ACE-47F7-8C20-CF2FDC66867C@me.com> Yes because null = ascii 0. "0" = ascii 48! Emptystring is less than ascii 48. (Nothing is always less than something) Emptystring is therefore also less than ascii 0. (by the same token and for the same reason) It all makes sense when you boil it down. Bob On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > Here's an interesting exercise I just did....... > > (Null < 0) ==> true > (Empty < 0) ==> true > (Empty = Null) ==> false From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Nov 9 21:43:35 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:43:35 -1000 Subject: Empty and logical expressions In-Reply-To: <00b501cdbdf8$de4475a0$9acd60e0$@net> References: <8DA9BD3C-022D-4CB4-8F91-481894B16EE3@mac.com> <243EDB00-DCE2-400D-BABF-07EB6D338E5B@mac.com> <00ae01cdbdf4$8bf324d0$a3d96e70$@net> <252F8AEA-CB15-41C7-9838-F86511A493A6@economy-x-talk.com> <00b501cdbdf8$de4475a0$9acd60e0$@net> Message-ID: Empty is a memory location containing nothing. It is not a value. It is the absence of a value. Null is not the absence of a value it is in fact ascii 0, represented by 00000000. An empty string would not even be that. Bob On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > Empty is a value too, but I wouldn't know how to evaluate it. From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Nov 9 21:45:50 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:45:50 -1000 Subject: Missing digest downloads again In-Reply-To: <04E98687-69AE-4D30-A216-39E75A7703C7@gmail.com> References: <04E98687-69AE-4D30-A216-39E75A7703C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: If I were a doctor and someone came in to tell me when they move their arm like so, it hurts, I would tell them, "Well don't do that!" :-) In like manner, if you are having trouble with the digest, you may want to consider an alternative at least until the digest is fixed. Heather is the correct person to talk to about mail list problems. I get the impression she does not necessarily monitor this list. Bob On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: > On Nov 5, 2012, at 6:21 AM, Roger Guay wrote: > >> ? Turns out getting individual emails throughout the day is not so inconvenient after all. For one thing, replying to the individual email maintains the Subject line! > > And it's pretty easy to set up a file/filter in your email client to shunt all messages from the list into a separate folder upon receipt. > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Fri Nov 9 21:55:21 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 18:55:21 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser Released Message-ID: I'm pleased to announce the release of version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser, a plugin alternative to the IDE Application Browser. You can find full details of changes in this release here . This release is free to current users of lcStackBrowser. *The current price of a new license is $20 and will stay at that price until the end of the day on Tuesday 11/13 (PST). After that, it will be $30.* The most significant change in this release is integration with Bill Vlahos' lcTaskList plugin. Thanks to Bill for working with me to provide this feature. Bill's very handy lcTaskList plugin is available at the RunRev store and is a steal at $10. With this integration, the lcTaskList library of words is included in lcStackBrowser's Script Assist palette, making them available for insertion as comments with a simple double click; no more missed lines because of typos. And to more specifically identify the comments, you can optionally include a user name and/or timestamp in it. lcStackBrowser includes many features not available in the standard IDE Application Browser. If you've ever wished you could.... - Display your stacks, cards, and controls in a compact format allowing simple, one-click access to many features. - Have visual indication of the subtype of a control (e.g. option menu, combobox, tab control, check box, radio button, etc), - List stacks/cards, and groups in a fully collapsed or expanded format. - Sort stacks, cards, and controls in ways not available in the IDE ApplicationBrowser. - Relayer controls by drag and drop, including moving them into and out of groups. - Move/Copy objects by drag and drop or popup menu options, even between stacks. - See instantly if an object has a behavior script and edit the script with a single click. - Set the behavior of an object via a popup list of available buttons. - Supply or set the password for multiple stacks in one operation. - Change any true/false properties of an object with a single click and without opening its Inspector. - Insert words into your scripts with a double click, optionally enclosed in quotes, parentheses, or brackets. - Put quotes, parentheses, or brackets around existing words in your scripts with either a single click or via a keyboard shortcut. ...then lcStackBrowser is for you. Click hereto download a 30-day, fully functional demo. Purchase your license here- the price goes up after Sunday! Pete lcSQL Software From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 9 23:03:16 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 22:03:16 -0600 Subject: LiveCode Slides & Appstore Apps List In-Reply-To: <16F4FC38-F09F-43B0-9145-B4D4C4B918FF@all-auctions.com> References: <508F42B7-07AB-4A3E-A5FE-747BAF8F1B5D@mac.com> <509D3552.4060007@gmail.com> <16F4FC38-F09F-43B0-9145-B4D4C4B918FF@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: <509DD204.3060704@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/9/12 1:29 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi there, > > This is my last appeal to this list for any of the following resources > as I'm giving my presentation on "Making Apps with LiveCode" > this next week for a lot of potential purchasers of LiveCode. > > 1. Any Marketing type slides which explain LiveCode. > (Others out there must have made presentations like > this before and surely there must be something. > Does Kevin have anything?) > > 2. A list of Apps on the iTunes store which have been made > with LiveCode. > > 3. Specs on the size of LiveCode's user base. > > 4. A list of user resources available, websites, this list, rev-online, etc. > > 5. Anything else you might suggest. Have you contacted RunRev about this? They would be your best resource, not only for marketing materials, but also for a list of developed apps and various resources. I'm positive they'd be delighted to help you out. They don't monitor this list as a rule, so your best bet is to write to Heather at support at runrev.com. I'm sure they must also have a number of marketing slides and materials from various conferences and speaking engagements they've given. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From admin at FlexibleLearning.com Sat Nov 10 01:52:27 2012 From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 06:52:27 -0000 Subject: [ANN] ChartMaker v3 free maintenance release In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A free maintenance release for ChartMaker version 3 has been released. You can update from within the software by clicking 'Check for updates...', or see what's new and download from this page... http://www.flexiblelearning.com/chartmaker/versioning/whatsnew.htm It addresses the following display issues... Fixes . Zero height bars and columns no long display a drop shadow. . Trend and aim lines are now correctly adjusted when XgridAlign is false. . Constants are now applied with normalized values (i.e. when Yorigin is specified). . Null value charts no longer throw an error when the legend is drawn. New users have a 30-day free trial: http://www.flexiblelearning.com/chartmaker A discounted upgrade path is available from v2.1: http://www.flexiblelearning.com/chartmaker/purchase.htm Reminder: A free desktop clock and calendar for Windows, Macs and Linux is available at www.flexiblelearning.com/freeclock With best regards, Hugh Senior FLCo From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 10 12:36:42 2012 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:36:42 -0800 Subject: The inverse of Interset In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The intersect command (intersect arrayOne with arrayTwo) removes the elements from arrayOne that not in arrayTwo. What I need is an array of the elements removed. Intersect leaves everything but. Is there an array operation that accomplishes this? The dimensions of my arrays are very large and so using "is among" on the keys is not an option. Jim Hurley From bvlahos at mac.com Sat Nov 10 12:53:27 2012 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:53:27 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <167D5DEF-784E-43D6-A902-A2C232C5941C@mac.com> Pete, Congratulations on the new version and thanks for the plug. Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. lcTaskList: (http://www.infowallet.com/lctasklist/index.htm) RunRev lcTaskList Forum: (http://forums.runrev.com/viewforum.php?f=61) On Nov 9, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > The most significant change in this release is integration with Bill > Vlahos' lcTaskList plugin. Thanks to Bill for working with me to provide > this feature. Bill's very handy lcTaskList plugin is available at the RunRev > store and is a steal at $10. > > With this integration, the lcTaskList library of words is included in > lcStackBrowser's Script Assist palette, making them available for insertion > as comments with a simple double click; no more missed lines because of > typos. And to more specifically identify the comments, you can optionally > include a user name and/or timestamp in it. From th.douez at gmail.com Sat Nov 10 13:39:45 2012 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:39:45 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser Released In-Reply-To: <167D5DEF-784E-43D6-A902-A2C232C5941C@mac.com> References: <167D5DEF-784E-43D6-A902-A2C232C5941C@mac.com> Message-ID: 2012/11/10 Bill Vlahos : > Pete, > > Congratulations on the new version and thanks for the plug. > > Bill Vlahos +1 Yes, it's really a very productive tool. I like it very much Regards, Thierry From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat Nov 10 13:46:43 2012 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:46:43 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser Released In-Reply-To: References: <167D5DEF-784E-43D6-A902-A2C232C5941C@mac.com> Message-ID: Hello, I try it today... it work well and replace easily the LiveCode's Application Browser (too much bugs for me)... I think I will buy it soon... Ren? Le 10 nov. 2012 ? 19:39, Thierry Douez a ?crit : > 2012/11/10 Bill Vlahos : >> Pete, >> >> Congratulations on the new version and thanks for the plug. >> >> Bill Vlahos > > +1 > > Yes, it's really a very productive tool. I like it very much > > Regards, > > Thierry > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From revdev at pdslabs.net Sat Nov 10 14:30:56 2012 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:30:56 -0800 Subject: The inverse of Interset In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <509EAB70.3060308@pdslabs.net> Hi Jim, I suppose you could do a union (yielding a 3rd array) and an intersect (yielding a 4th array) and then remove the intersect elements from the union array. It's not what you wanted but it would work. Like so: put arrayOne into intersectA intersect intersectA with arrayTwo put arrayOne into unionA union unionA with arrayTwo repeat for each key tKey in intersectA delete variable unionA[tKey] end repeat -- now unionA contains the anti-intersection (?) of the two original arrays Phil Davis On 11/10/12 9:36 AM, Jim Hurley wrote: > The intersect command (intersect arrayOne with arrayTwo) removes the elements from arrayOne that not in arrayTwo. > > What I need is an array of the elements removed. Intersect leaves everything but. > > Is there an array operation that accomplishes this? > The dimensions of my arrays are very large and so using "is among" on the keys is not an option. > > Jim Hurley > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Phil Davis From pete at lcsql.com Sat Nov 10 14:39:40 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:39:40 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser Released In-Reply-To: References: <167D5DEF-784E-43D6-A902-A2C232C5941C@mac.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the positive reviews folks! Pete lcSQL Software On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Hello, > I try it today... it work well and replace easily the LiveCode's > Application Browser (too much bugs for me)... > I think I will buy it soon... > Ren? > > Le 10 nov. 2012 ? 19:39, Thierry Douez a ?crit : > > > 2012/11/10 Bill Vlahos : > >> Pete, > >> > >> Congratulations on the new version and thanks for the plug. > >> > >> Bill Vlahos > > > > +1 > > > > Yes, it's really a very productive tool. I like it very much > > > > Regards, > > > > Thierry > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From iowahengst at mac.com Sat Nov 10 16:02:23 2012 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 15:02:23 -0600 Subject: Visual Effect Problem in LC5.5.3 Message-ID: <2AA6C5B8-D6D1-4458-8AB7-6DE83F20CDD5@mac.com> Hi All, I've just finished updating to LC 5.5.3 and Xcode 4.5.2. I have been made aware of apps crashing on the new iPad? that's my reason for updating. I've been using LC 5.5.1 with Xcode 4.4.1 successfully with builds for iOS 6 and 6.0.1 As I've been working to fix the apps for the new iPad I've seen the same problem Celeste Helling mentioned in an earlier thread about visual effects. I can build apps that load and work on an iPad 3 with 5.5.3 I can open an app in 5.5.1 and test it? the effects work just fine in the simulator. I open the same app in 5.5.3 and the visual effects do not work? in the simulator or on an iPad 3. The catch is, in some of my apps the visual effects work as expected using 5.5.3. In some only the initial effect is "broken." In one app the visual effect on the iPad screen functions as if it is an effect for an iPod. I've not been able to find a pattern that helps me fix the issue. That leads me to think it's a bug in 5.5.3. But, I wanted to check with folks to see what they have found. The problem shows itself in the 5.1 and 6.0 simulator with LC 5.5.3. Here is the script ? in a button. It's the same script in all apps?. on mouseUp switch (word 1 of the machine) case "iPod" case "iPhone" visual effect "flip left" go next card break case "iPad" visual effect "flip left" go to card "gameCardHD" break default -- used with computer visual effect "flip left" go to card "gameCardHD" break end switch end mouseUp Thoughts appreciated. be well, randy From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 10 16:16:02 2012 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:16:02 -0800 Subject: The inverse of Interset In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Phil, Thanks very much. You solved my problem. I was unaware of "delete variable myArray[tKey]" That is very fast. It appears that this works as well: repeat for each key tKey in the keys of arrayOne delete variable arrayTwo[tKey] end repeat This provided a very simple way to "subtract" elements of one array from the other. Thanks again, Jim > Hi Jim, > > I suppose you could do a union (yielding a 3rd array) and an intersect > (yielding a 4th array) and then remove the intersect elements from the > union array. It's not what you wanted but it would work. Like so: > > put arrayOne into intersectA > intersect intersectA with arrayTwo > > put arrayOne into unionA > union unionA with arrayTwo > > repeat for each key tKey in intersectA > delete variable unionA[tKey] > end repeat > > -- now unionA contains the anti-intersection (?) of the two original arrays > > Phil Davis > > From revdev at pdslabs.net Sat Nov 10 16:31:34 2012 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:31:34 -0800 Subject: The inverse of Interset In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <509EC7B6.2080409@pdslabs.net> I guess I "overkilled" it as usual. Oh well - glad it works! Phil On 11/10/12 1:16 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: > Hi Phil, > > Thanks very much. You solved my problem. I was unaware of "delete variable myArray[tKey]" > That is very fast. > > It appears that this works as well: > > repeat for each key tKey in the keys of arrayOne > delete variable arrayTwo[tKey] > end repeat > > This provided a very simple way to "subtract" elements of one array from the other. > > Thanks again, > > Jim > > >> Hi Jim, >> >> I suppose you could do a union (yielding a 3rd array) and an intersect >> (yielding a 4th array) and then remove the intersect elements from the >> union array. It's not what you wanted but it would work. Like so: >> >> put arrayOne into intersectA >> intersect intersectA with arrayTwo >> >> put arrayOne into unionA >> union unionA with arrayTwo >> >> repeat for each key tKey in intersectA >> delete variable unionA[tKey] >> end repeat >> >> -- now unionA contains the anti-intersection (?) of the two original arrays >> >> Phil Davis >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Phil Davis From skip at magicgate.com Sat Nov 10 16:35:48 2012 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 16:35:48 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser Released In-Reply-To: References: <167D5DEF-784E-43D6-A902-A2C232C5941C@mac.com> Message-ID: Hey Pete.... working better than before but still the original problem. I know you know about it, just wanted to let you know and confirm that my issue of not being able to select anything is still there. SKIP On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Thanks for the positive reviews folks! > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Ren? Micout > wrote: > > > Hello, > > I try it today... it work well and replace easily the LiveCode's > > Application Browser (too much bugs for me)... > > I think I will buy it soon... > > Ren? > > > > Le 10 nov. 2012 ? 19:39, Thierry Douez a ?crit : > > > > > 2012/11/10 Bill Vlahos : > > >> Pete, > > >> > > >> Congratulations on the new version and thanks for the plug. > > >> > > >> Bill Vlahos > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > Yes, it's really a very productive tool. I like it very much > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Thierry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Nov 10 17:09:24 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 16:09:24 -0600 Subject: Visual Effect Problem in LC5.5.3 In-Reply-To: <2AA6C5B8-D6D1-4458-8AB7-6DE83F20CDD5@mac.com> References: <2AA6C5B8-D6D1-4458-8AB7-6DE83F20CDD5@mac.com> Message-ID: <509ED094.9000100@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/10/12 3:02 PM, Randy Hengst wrote: > I can open an app in 5.5.1 and test it? the effects work just fine in > the simulator. I open the same app in 5.5.3 and the visual effects do > not work? in the simulator or on an iPad 3. The syntax changed a bit, try the newer one: lock screen for visual effect go next card unlock screen with visual effect "flip left" -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pete at lcsql.com Sat Nov 10 17:17:46 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:17:46 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser Released In-Reply-To: References: <167D5DEF-784E-43D6-A902-A2C232C5941C@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Skip, No problem and sorry I haven't been able to figure this out yet. I believe it's a Livecode bug. There are a lot of QCC reports concerning popup menus on Windows but not quite as bad as this one. I will enter a QCC report but unless I can give them a recipe to reproduce it, they're not likely to do anything, and even then their record of getting bugs fixed in a timely manner is not very good. I've asked for other Windows users to let me know if they have the same problem but so far nobody has responded. I will check through the code again to see if I can see anything suspicious but the problem is that once the popup id displayed, I don;t have any control over what happens until I get a menuPick message and since you can't click on anything, that never happens. Give me a couple of days to see if I can at least find a workaround. If I can't come up with anything, I would be happy to refund your license fee and you can continue using it. Pete lcSQL Software On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel < skip at magicgate.com> wrote: > Hey Pete.... working better than before but still the original problem. I > know you know about it, just wanted to let you know and confirm that my > issue of not being able to select anything is still there. > > SKIP > > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > Thanks for the positive reviews folks! > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Ren? Micout > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > I try it today... it work well and replace easily the LiveCode's > > > Application Browser (too much bugs for me)... > > > I think I will buy it soon... > > > Ren? > > > > > > Le 10 nov. 2012 ? 19:39, Thierry Douez a ?crit : > > > > > > > 2012/11/10 Bill Vlahos : > > > >> Pete, > > > >> > > > >> Congratulations on the new version and thanks for the plug. > > > >> > > > >> Bill Vlahos > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > Yes, it's really a very productive tool. I like it very much > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Thierry > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From guglielmo at braguglia.ch Sat Nov 10 17:25:42 2012 From: guglielmo at braguglia.ch (Guglielmo Braguglia) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:25:42 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser Released In-Reply-To: References: <167D5DEF-784E-43D6-A902-A2C232C5941C@mac.com> Message-ID: <509ED466.3000707@braguglia.ch> Sorry Pete, missing your request ... Yes, also here the popup menu doesn't work under windows, but this is not new to me ... similar malfunction appear on a popup menu in the "Installer Maker" (/... by Mark Schonewille/), so ... I really think is a LiveCode bug and you can't do anything ... :-( Guglielmo On 10.11.2012 23:17, Peter Haworth wrote: > ... > > I've asked for other Windows users to let me know if they have the same > problem but so far nobody has responded. > > From yoshino at sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 10 17:26:47 2012 From: yoshino at sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp (Takashi Yoshino) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 07:26:47 +0900 Subject: Android 4, post problem Message-ID: <205F9D7B-8808-4A75-9684-B1003A1F42C1@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> Hi, I tried 'post' script on Android 4. (4.0.3) It doesn't work. 'url' script works well. I tried the same script on Android 3. It work well. Is that some bugs only and Android 4? Do you know some solution to improve or escape this problem? _.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ Takashi Yoshino http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/ Tel: +81-73-457-8441 From pete at lcsql.com Sat Nov 10 17:37:22 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:37:22 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser Released In-Reply-To: <509ED466.3000707@braguglia.ch> References: <167D5DEF-784E-43D6-A902-A2C232C5941C@mac.com> <509ED466.3000707@braguglia.ch> Message-ID: Thanks for letting me know Guglielmo. Now that I have more than one person reporting it and also knwoing that it happens in other products, I will enter a QCC report. Pete lcSQL Software On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Guglielmo Braguglia wrote: > Sorry Pete, > missing your request ... > > Yes, also here the popup menu doesn't work under windows, but this is not > new to me ... similar malfunction appear on a popup menu in the "Installer > Maker" (/... by Mark Schonewille/), so ... I really think is a LiveCode bug > and you can't do anything ... :-( > > Guglielmo > > > On 10.11.2012 23:17, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> ... >> >> >> I've asked for other Windows users to let me know if they have the same >> problem but so far nobody has responded. >> >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From skip at magicgate.com Sat Nov 10 17:48:54 2012 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:48:54 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser Released In-Reply-To: References: <167D5DEF-784E-43D6-A902-A2C232C5941C@mac.com> <509ED466.3000707@braguglia.ch> Message-ID: .... and officially I am not the only one, so I am NOT crazy... whew! SKIP On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Thanks for letting me know Guglielmo. Now that I have more than one person > reporting it and also knwoing that it happens in other products, I will > enter a QCC report. > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Guglielmo Braguglia < > guglielmo at braguglia.ch > > wrote: > > > Sorry Pete, > > missing your request ... > > > > Yes, also here the popup menu doesn't work under windows, but this is not > > new to me ... similar malfunction appear on a popup menu in the > "Installer > > Maker" (/... by Mark Schonewille/), so ... I really think is a LiveCode > bug > > and you can't do anything ... :-( > > > > Guglielmo > > > > > > On 10.11.2012 23:17, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > >> ... > >> > >> > >> I've asked for other Windows users to let me know if they have the same > >> problem but so far nobody has responded. > >> > >> > >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode< > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From iowahengst at mac.com Sat Nov 10 18:09:01 2012 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:09:01 -0600 Subject: Visual Effect Problem in LC5.5.3 In-Reply-To: <509ED094.9000100@hyperactivesw.com> References: <2AA6C5B8-D6D1-4458-8AB7-6DE83F20CDD5@mac.com> <509ED094.9000100@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Jacque, I forgot to mention that I had tried that?and within rect? But, I explored some more using only go next card rather than go to card "card name"? next card worked, so I'm now looking for problems with my card script. Thanks for the push. be well, randy ----- On Nov 10, 2012, at 4:09 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/10/12 3:02 PM, Randy Hengst wrote: > >> I can open an app in 5.5.1 and test it? the effects work just fine in >> the simulator. I open the same app in 5.5.3 and the visual effects do >> not work? in the simulator or on an iPad 3. > > The syntax changed a bit, try the newer one: > > lock screen for visual effect > go next card > unlock screen with visual effect "flip left" > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Sat Nov 10 18:12:53 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 15:12:53 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser Released In-Reply-To: References: <167D5DEF-784E-43D6-A902-A2C232C5941C@mac.com> <509ED466.3000707@braguglia.ch> Message-ID: Skip and other lcStackBrowser users: I have entered QCC report number 10535 about this issue. As you know, it is no longer possible to vote for bugs to be fixed but you can add comments to the report. I have described the problem as best I can but since I cannot reproduce it on my Windows computer, I may not have included all the relevant details. If your are experiencing this problem with lcStackBrowser or any other product, I would ask you to add a comment to the report. It's impossible to know how RunRev prioritize bug fixes but I would hope that the number of people who report it would be taken into account. Thanks for your assistance. Pete lcSQL Software On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel < skip at magicgate.com> wrote: > .... and officially I am not the only one, so I am NOT crazy... whew! > > SKIP > > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > Thanks for letting me know Guglielmo. Now that I have more than one > person > > reporting it and also knwoing that it happens in other products, I will > > enter a QCC report. > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Guglielmo Braguglia < > > guglielmo at braguglia.ch > > > wrote: > > > > > Sorry Pete, > > > missing your request ... > > > > > > Yes, also here the popup menu doesn't work under windows, but this is > not > > > new to me ... similar malfunction appear on a popup menu in the > > "Installer > > > Maker" (/... by Mark Schonewille/), so ... I really think is a LiveCode > > bug > > > and you can't do anything ... :-( > > > > > > Guglielmo > > > > > > > > > On 10.11.2012 23:17, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > > > >> ... > > >> > > >> > > >> I've asked for other Windows users to let me know if they have the > same > > >> problem but so far nobody has responded. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode< > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From yoshino at sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 10 18:19:21 2012 From: yoshino at sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp (Takashi Yoshino) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 08:19:21 +0900 Subject: Android 4, post problem In-Reply-To: <205F9D7B-8808-4A75-9684-B1003A1F42C1@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> References: <205F9D7B-8808-4A75-9684-B1003A1F42C1@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <94365B5D-CAE4-4A30-ADAE-9FA02F918721@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> My development environment is LC 5.5.3. Takashi _.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ Takashi Yoshino http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/ Tel: +81-73-457-8441 On 2012/11/11, at 7:26, Takashi Yoshino wrote: > Hi, > > I tried 'post' script on Android 4. (4.0.3) > It doesn't work. > > 'url' script works well. > > I tried the same script on Android 3. > It work well. > > Is that some bugs only and Android 4? > > Do you know some solution to improve or escape this problem? > > _.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ > Takashi Yoshino > http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/ > Tel: +81-73-457-8441 > From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sun Nov 11 08:42:43 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 08:42:43 -0500 Subject: Visual Effect Problem in LC5.5.3 In-Reply-To: References: <2AA6C5B8-D6D1-4458-8AB7-6DE83F20CDD5@mac.com> <509ED094.9000100@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <94F780AD-1DAB-4483-8098-D7729597D168@mac.com> In my published apps I am experiencing this same problem with visual effects and also the Play command is no longer asynchronous so my move commands no longer execute until the sound is done playing (I'm not using "wait until sound is done") -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 10, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Randy Hengst wrote: > Jacque, I forgot to mention that I had tried that?and within rect? > > But, I explored some more using only go next card rather than go to card "card name"? next card worked, so I'm now looking for problems with my card script. > > Thanks for the push. > > be well, > randy > ----- > On Nov 10, 2012, at 4:09 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> On 11/10/12 3:02 PM, Randy Hengst wrote: >> >>> I can open an app in 5.5.1 and test it? the effects work just fine in >>> the simulator. I open the same app in 5.5.3 and the visual effects do >>> not work? in the simulator or on an iPad 3. >> >> The syntax changed a bit, try the newer one: >> >> lock screen for visual effect >> go next card >> unlock screen with visual effect "flip left" >> >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Sun Nov 11 11:41:03 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 08:41:03 -0800 Subject: Locating a line in a scrolling list field Message-ID: I have a need to determine the pixel location of the hilited line in a scrolling list field when the user clicks on it. Let's say that the field is deep enough to display 10 lines and that there are 500 total lines in the field. The hilitedline property is relative to the total number of lines (500), not the line number within the 10 currently displayed. I seem to remember seeing something about this on the list in the past but haven't been able to turn anything up with a search and my spacial geometry skills are pretty close to zero so any pointers would be gratefully appreciated! Pete lcSQL Software From klaus at major.on-rev.com Sun Nov 11 11:46:40 2012 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:46:40 +0100 Subject: Locating a line in a scrolling list field In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FB88E83-896B-48B1-BE01-B164248F4915@major.on-rev.com> Hi Pete, Am 11.11.2012 um 17:41 schrieb Peter Haworth : > I have a need to determine the pixel location of the hilited line in a > scrolling list field when the user clicks on it. > > Let's say that the field is deep enough to display 10 lines and that there > are 500 total lines in the field. The hilitedline property is relative to > the total number of lines (500), not the line number within the 10 > currently displayed. > > I seem to remember seeing something about this on the list in the past but > haven't been able to turn anything up with a search and my spacial geometry > skills are pretty close to zero so any pointers would be gratefully > appreciated! maybe something like this will work for you? Just tested this with a listfield: on mouseUp put the formattedrect of line(the hilitedline of me) of me end mouseUp > Pete > lcSQL Software Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From harrison at all-auctions.com Sun Nov 11 12:39:50 2012 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 12:39:50 -0500 Subject: LiveCode Slides & Appstore Apps List In-Reply-To: <509DD204.3060704@hyperactivesw.com> References: <508F42B7-07AB-4A3E-A5FE-747BAF8F1B5D@mac.com> <509D3552.4060007@gmail.com> <16F4FC38-F09F-43B0-9145-B4D4C4B918FF@all-auctions.com> <509DD204.3060704@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <57495C84-9EED-4A69-ADAA-313260A54C0B@all-auctions.com> Hi Jacque, I've contacted Heather, and I'm hoping to hear something back soon. I was hoping that people who have Apps in the Apple App Store would have at least responded with something like: "I have an App in the App Store, it's called"-------", so I'd end up with a nice list that I could have shared with others. This was a marketing opportunity here for LiveCode developers to show off their stuff, and thus far it's been a fissile for a firecracker. Thanks, Rick On Nov 9, 2012, at 11:03 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/9/12 1:29 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> This is my last appeal to this list for any of the following resources >> as I'm giving my presentation on "Making Apps with LiveCode" >> this next week for a lot of potential purchasers of LiveCode. >> >> 1. Any Marketing type slides which explain LiveCode. >> (Others out there must have made presentations like >> this before and surely there must be something. >> Does Kevin have anything?) >> >> 2. A list of Apps on the iTunes store which have been made >> with LiveCode. >> >> 3. Specs on the size of LiveCode's user base. >> >> 4. A list of user resources available, websites, this list, rev-online, etc. >> >> 5. Anything else you might suggest. > > Have you contacted RunRev about this? They would be your best resource, not only for marketing materials, but also for a list of developed apps and various resources. I'm positive they'd be delighted to help you out. They don't monitor this list as a rule, so your best bet is to write to Heather at support at runrev.com. I'm sure they must also have a number of marketing slides and materials from various conferences and speaking engagements they've given. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Sun Nov 11 12:40:16 2012 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 12:40:16 -0500 Subject: [OT] New Window Manager for Linux (Gala) Message-ID: For Ubuntu, Win7, and OS X fans alike, this new WM for Linux has some great, familiar, yet different features. Check out the short videos on this page: http://elementaryos.org/journal/meet-gala-window-manager ~Roger From slylabs13 at me.com Sun Nov 11 13:20:19 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 08:20:19 -1000 Subject: The inverse of Interset In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2DCB7F26-B341-4CFB-85C0-D66A1816D23A@me.com> To my knowledge you will need to convert the arrays to lists, work with them in that form and convert the resulting list to an array. I have a way to convert an array to a list which preserves the key names which may get you to that point, then a function to convert a list in that format back to an array. You will have to come up with the rest of the logic. Sent from my iPad On Nov 10, 2012, at 7:36 AM, Jim Hurley wrote: > The intersect command (intersect arrayOne with arrayTwo) removes the elements from arrayOne that not in arrayTwo. > > What I need is an array of the elements removed. Intersect leaves everything but. > > Is there an array operation that accomplishes this? > The dimensions of my arrays are very large and so using "is among" on the keys is not an option. > > Jim Hurley > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From cszasz at me.com Sun Nov 11 14:03:57 2012 From: cszasz at me.com (Charles Szasz) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 14:03:57 -0500 Subject: ListMagic and LC 5.5.3 Problem Message-ID: <47CA25A3-8F53-4E02-9D17-1A9BB35BCB8D@me.com> I just moved my project from Rev 4.0 to LC 5.5.3. My project worked fine with ListMagic using Rev 4.0. And it works fine with LC except when I try to save a list. I am now getting this error message in the IDE: An error occurred while saving Special Education List: can't open stack file(2) when I click on a button that has the following script: on mouseUp go to card "communications" upDate end mouseUp on upDate IF the platform is "MacOS" then save stack "Special Education" as (specialFolderPath("asup")&"/"&"/Special Education.livecode") if the result is not empty then answer error "An error occurred while saving Special Education Student List: "&cr&\ the result & "("& sysError() &")" end if end if IF the platform is "win32" then save stack "Special Education" as (specialFolderPath(35)&"/"&"/Special Education.livecode") if the result is not empty then answer error "An error occurred while saving Special Education Student List: "&cr&the result & "("& sysError() &")" end if end if end upDate Any suggestions on how to correct this problem? I am assuming that there must be a change in LC 5.5.3. Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sun Nov 11 14:19:13 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 14:19:13 -0500 Subject: selObj from a palette stack Message-ID: I need a little help figuring out how to keep track of the selObj of one stack from another stack that is set to palette? I know that some of you have done this with 'tool' stacks and this is the first time I am tackling this. The points that have me are: If the target stack has a group selected with the pointer tool - how do I both keep the name of it and if it is changed. If the tool stack has buttons and fields that need to act on the selObj then I need to change the tool to the browse tool but this unselects the group and selectionChanged as well. When I switch back to the target stack how do I keep the original group selected after the selection tool is changed back to pointer from browse. I am assuming that I will need some sort of front script or other. Any and all help is very appreciated. Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Nov 11 14:35:00 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:35:00 -0600 Subject: Locating a line in a scrolling list field In-Reply-To: <1FB88E83-896B-48B1-BE01-B164248F4915@major.on-rev.com> References: <1FB88E83-896B-48B1-BE01-B164248F4915@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <509FFDE4.4020105@hyperactivesw.com> > Let's say that the field is deep enough to display 10 lines and that there > are 500 total lines in the field. The hilitedline property is relative to > the total number of lines (500), not the line number within the 10 > currently displayed. > > I seem to remember seeing something about this on the list in the past SelectedLoc? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Nov 11 14:36:48 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:36:48 -0600 Subject: LiveCode Slides & Appstore Apps List In-Reply-To: <57495C84-9EED-4A69-ADAA-313260A54C0B@all-auctions.com> References: <508F42B7-07AB-4A3E-A5FE-747BAF8F1B5D@mac.com> <509D3552.4060007@gmail.com> <16F4FC38-F09F-43B0-9145-B4D4C4B918FF@all-auctions.com> <509DD204.3060704@hyperactivesw.com> <57495C84-9EED-4A69-ADAA-313260A54C0B@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: <509FFE50.8050307@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/11/12 11:39 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: > I was hoping that people who have Apps in the Apple App Store > would have at least responded with something like: > > "I have an App in the App Store, it's called"-------", I see. Okay, I have an app in the App Store, it's called "Casey's Solitaire". :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun Nov 11 14:37:13 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:37:13 -0800 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <509FFE69.6020807@fourthworld.com> Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I need a little help figuring out how to keep track of the selObj > of one stack from another stack that is set to palette? I have my palettes insert a frontScript which they open (which they remove on closeStack) that traps the selectedObjectChanged message. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From lvhdgc7 at gmail.com Sun Nov 11 14:27:47 2012 From: lvhdgc7 at gmail.com (tbodine) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:27:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1352662067216-4657149.post@n4.nabble.com> After playing with the trial and reading the docs, I'm sold. Looks like a great time-saver! -- Tom Bodine -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Version-1-1-1-of-lcStackBrowser-Released-tp4657119p4657149.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sun Nov 11 14:39:56 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 14:39:56 -0500 Subject: LiveCode Slides & Appstore Apps List In-Reply-To: <509FFE50.8050307@hyperactivesw.com> References: <508F42B7-07AB-4A3E-A5FE-747BAF8F1B5D@mac.com> <509D3552.4060007@gmail.com> <16F4FC38-F09F-43B0-9145-B4D4C4B918FF@all-auctions.com> <509DD204.3060704@hyperactivesw.com> <57495C84-9EED-4A69-ADAA-313260A54C0B@all-auctions.com> <509FFE50.8050307@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I have an app in the App Store, it's called "Icon Explorer". > >> I was hoping that people who have Apps in the Apple App Store >> would have at least responded with something like: >> >> "I have an App in the App Store, it's called"-------", > > I see. Okay, I have an app in the App Store, it's called "Casey's Solitaire". :) > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From littlejamesw at mac.com Sun Nov 11 15:21:10 2012 From: littlejamesw at mac.com (Jim Little) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 12:21:10 -0800 Subject: LiveCode Slides & Appstore Apps List In-Reply-To: <16F4FC38-F09F-43B0-9145-B4D4C4B918FF@all-auctions.com> References: <508F42B7-07AB-4A3E-A5FE-747BAF8F1B5D@mac.com> <509D3552.4060007@gmail.com> <16F4FC38-F09F-43B0-9145-B4D4C4B918FF@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick, My son Todd and I have an app in the App Store called: Flat Out Fitness. It's a timer for high-intensity interval exercise training. It sells for $0.99. Jim Little On Nov 9, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: > 1. Any Marketing type slides which explain LiveCode. > (Others out there must have made presentations like > this before and surely there must be something. > Does Kevin have anything?) > > 2. A list of Apps on the iTunes store which have been made > with LiveCode. > > 3. Specs on the size of LiveCode's user base. > > 4. A list of user resources available, websites, this list, rev-online, etc. > > 5. Anything else you might suggest. > > Thank you in advance! > > Rick From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Sun Nov 11 15:40:01 2012 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:40:01 +0100 Subject: LiveCode Slides & Appstore Apps List In-Reply-To: <57495C84-9EED-4A69-ADAA-313260A54C0B@all-auctions.com> References: <508F42B7-07AB-4A3E-A5FE-747BAF8F1B5D@mac.com> <509D3552.4060007@gmail.com> <16F4FC38-F09F-43B0-9145-B4D4C4B918FF@all-auctions.com> <509DD204.3060704@hyperactivesw.com> <57495C84-9EED-4A69-ADAA-313260A54C0B@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick, i have the following apps in the iTunes appstore: mPreis - product catatalog / pricelist Am Kamin - little app for a local restaurant here, qr2vcf - scans qr codes for vcf data and lets the user to import into the addressbook Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- "Life is too short for boring code" Am 11.11.2012 um 18:39 schrieb Rick Harrison : > Hi Jacque, > > I've contacted Heather, and I'm hoping to hear something back soon. > > I was hoping that people who have Apps in the Apple App Store > would have at least responded with something like: > > "I have an App in the App Store, it's called"-------", so I'd end up > with a nice list that I could have shared with others. This was > a marketing opportunity here for LiveCode developers to show > off their stuff, and thus far it's been a fissile for a firecracker. > > Thanks, > > Rick > > On Nov 9, 2012, at 11:03 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> On 11/9/12 1:29 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: >>> Hi there, >>> >>> This is my last appeal to this list for any of the following resources >>> as I'm giving my presentation on "Making Apps with LiveCode" >>> this next week for a lot of potential purchasers of LiveCode. >>> >>> 1. Any Marketing type slides which explain LiveCode. >>> (Others out there must have made presentations like >>> this before and surely there must be something. >>> Does Kevin have anything?) >>> >>> 2. A list of Apps on the iTunes store which have been made >>> with LiveCode. >>> >>> 3. Specs on the size of LiveCode's user base. >>> >>> 4. A list of user resources available, websites, this list, rev-online, etc. >>> >>> 5. Anything else you might suggest. >> >> Have you contacted RunRev about this? They would be your best resource, not only for marketing materials, but also for a list of developed apps and various resources. I'm positive they'd be delighted to help you out. They don't monitor this list as a rule, so your best bet is to write to Heather at support at runrev.com. I'm sure they must also have a number of marketing slides and materials from various conferences and speaking engagements they've given. >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 11 15:44:23 2012 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 12:44:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OT] New Window Manager for Linux (Gala) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1352666663878-4657156.post@n4.nabble.com> http://www.maui-project.org/ Maui is very interesting. qt-razr. Not released yet, but a really interesting departure. For me Fluxbox is just about perfect, but that's a minority taste of course. Has everything you need, or I at least need, and nothing you don't. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-New-Window-Manager-for-Linux-Gala-tp4657146p4657156.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From scott at elementarysoftware.com Sun Nov 11 16:06:06 2012 From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:06:06 -0800 Subject: LiveCode Slides & Appstore Apps List In-Reply-To: <57495C84-9EED-4A69-ADAA-313260A54C0B@all-auctions.com> References: <508F42B7-07AB-4A3E-A5FE-747BAF8F1B5D@mac.com> <509D3552.4060007@gmail.com> <16F4FC38-F09F-43B0-9145-B4D4C4B918FF@all-auctions.com> <509DD204.3060704@hyperactivesw.com> <57495C84-9EED-4A69-ADAA-313260A54C0B@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: 2 in the App Store: This=That RandoMeister -- Scott Morrow Elementary Software (Now with 20% less chalk dust!) web http://elementarysoftware.com/ email scott at elementarysoftware.com office 1-800-615-0867 ------------------------------------------------------ On Nov 11, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi Jacque, > > I've contacted Heather, and I'm hoping to hear something back soon. > > I was hoping that people who have Apps in the Apple App Store > would have at least responded with something like: > > "I have an App in the App Store, it's called"-------", so I'd end up > with a nice list that I could have shared with others. This was > a marketing opportunity here for LiveCode developers to show > off their stuff, and thus far it's been a fissile for a firecracker. > > Thanks, > > Rick > > On Nov 9, 2012, at 11:03 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> On 11/9/12 1:29 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: >>> Hi there, >>> >>> This is my last appeal to this list for any of the following resources >>> as I'm giving my presentation on "Making Apps with LiveCode" >>> this next week for a lot of potential purchasers of LiveCode. >>> >>> 1. Any Marketing type slides which explain LiveCode. >>> (Others out there must have made presentations like >>> this before and surely there must be something. >>> Does Kevin have anything?) >>> >>> 2. A list of Apps on the iTunes store which have been made >>> with LiveCode. >>> >>> 3. Specs on the size of LiveCode's user base. >>> >>> 4. A list of user resources available, websites, this list, rev-online, etc. >>> >>> 5. Anything else you might suggest. >> >> Have you contacted RunRev about this? They would be your best resource, not only for marketing materials, but also for a list of developed apps and various resources. I'm positive they'd be delighted to help you out. They don't monitor this list as a rule, so your best bet is to write to Heather at support at runrev.com. I'm sure they must also have a number of marketing slides and materials from various conferences and speaking engagements they've given. >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sun Nov 11 17:04:10 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:04:10 +1100 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If it's for an IDE plugin then there's a message for that. See the example plugin. On 12/11/2012, at 6:19 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I need a little help figuring out how to keep track of the selObj of one stack from another stack that is set to palette? I know that some of you have done this with 'tool' stacks and this is the first time I am tackling this. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sun Nov 11 18:10:44 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:10:44 -0500 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: <509FFE69.6020807@fourthworld.com> References: <509FFE69.6020807@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <78D59192-BED2-4F1F-9D5F-972A52D3096E@mac.com> Richard, Hi, with the frontScript approach do you just set the tool stack to palette and then leave the pointer/browser tool alone? Do you handle the pointer issue in the front script??? Thanks -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 11, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Thomas McGrath III wrote: > > > I need a little help figuring out how to keep track of the selObj > > of one stack from another stack that is set to palette? > > I have my palettes insert a frontScript which they open (which they remove on closeStack) that traps the selectedObjectChanged message. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sun Nov 11 18:11:28 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:11:28 -0500 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1DFD207A-A780-4418-BF47-7A0AE88AF907@mac.com> Monte, Hi, where is that example plugin? I looked in quite a few places. thanks -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 11, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > If it's for an IDE plugin then there's a message for that. See the example plugin. > > On 12/11/2012, at 6:19 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> I need a little help figuring out how to keep track of the selObj of one stack from another stack that is set to palette? I know that some of you have done this with 'tool' stacks and this is the first time I am tackling this. > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > Bespoke application development for vertical markets > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun Nov 11 20:03:24 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:03:24 -0800 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: <78D59192-BED2-4F1F-9D5F-972A52D3096E@mac.com> References: <78D59192-BED2-4F1F-9D5F-972A52D3096E@mac.com> Message-ID: <50A04ADC.3080304@fourthworld.com> Thomas McGrath III wrote: > On Nov 11, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> I have my palettes insert a frontScript which they open (which >> they remove on closeStack) that traps the selectedObjectChanged >> message. > > Richard, > > Hi, with the frontScript approach do you just set the tool stack > to palette and then leave the pointer/browser tool alone? Do you > handle the pointer issue in the front script??? If you're referring to needing to keep the tool stack's controls non-selectable, yes, I either use a palette stack style, or if I want the window to be interleavable with others I sometimes use modeless. Works great in the IDE or in a standalone. Of course, as with any frontScript handler, you'll want to pass the message when you're done with it so other scripts depending on it won't get FUBARed. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From john at debraneys.com Sun Nov 11 20:39:17 2012 From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:39:17 +1100 Subject: The Parent of me? Message-ID: <1352684357.50a053459a30e@anchor.net.au> Hi, Can anyone tell me what syntax is being used in place of "the parent of me"? I recently upgraded from 4.5 to 5.5 and the code stopped working, the word "parent" no longer appears in the documentation or the dictionary either. Thanks in advance for any advice. Regards John -- John Tregea Technology Director Debraneys Pty Ltd Sydney, Singapore and London --- Anchored in Reality --- From bonnmike at gmail.com Sun Nov 11 20:45:49 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:45:49 -0700 Subject: The Parent of me? In-Reply-To: <1352684357.50a053459a30e@anchor.net.au> References: <1352684357.50a053459a30e@anchor.net.au> Message-ID: I think you're looking for "owner" of me. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:39 PM, John Tregea wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone tell me what syntax is being used in place of "the parent of > me"? > > I recently upgraded from 4.5 to 5.5 and the code stopped working, the word > "parent" no longer appears in the documentation or the dictionary either. > > Thanks in advance for any advice. > > Regards > > John > > -- > John Tregea > Technology Director > Debraneys Pty Ltd > Sydney, Singapore and London > --- Anchored in Reality --- > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From john at debraneys.com Sun Nov 11 20:52:11 2012 From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:52:11 +1100 Subject: The Parent of me? In-Reply-To: References: <1352684357.50a053459a30e@anchor.net.au> Message-ID: <1352685131.50a0564b03823@anchor.net.au> Thanks Mike, That was it. Regards John Quoting Mike Bonner : > I think you're looking for "owner" of me. > > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:39 PM, John Tregea wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Can anyone tell me what syntax is being used in place of "the parent of > > me"? > > > > I recently upgraded from 4.5 to 5.5 and the code stopped working, the > word > > "parent" no longer appears in the documentation or the dictionary either. > > > > Thanks in advance for any advice. > > > > Regards > > > > John > > > > -- > > John Tregea > > Technology Director > > Debraneys Pty Ltd > > Sydney, Singapore and London > > --- Anchored in Reality --- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- John Tregea Technology Director Debraneys Pty Ltd Sydney, Singapore and London --- Anchored in Reality --- From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Sun Nov 11 23:57:39 2012 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:57:39 -0800 Subject: ListMagic and LC 5.5.3 Problem In-Reply-To: <47CA25A3-8F53-4E02-9D17-1A9BB35BCB8D@me.com> References: <47CA25A3-8F53-4E02-9D17-1A9BB35BCB8D@me.com> Message-ID: <5FD1DE32-EE0D-49D4-A0BA-8EC1A35D5AFC@pbh.on-rev.com> Charles, I would guess that this is a permissions issue, your code is trying to write to the root Library > Application Support folder, you may have more success writing to the user Library > Application Support folder, just add a ~ before the specialFolderPath, that worked in the test I tried. It also returned the same error when I tried to write to a folder that didn't exist. IF the platform is "MacOS" then save stack "Special Education" as ("~" & specialFolderPath("asup") & "/Special Education.livecode") There is also an extra slash in your original path, this didn't throw an error, but appears wrong to me. I didn't try on Win though. HTH Paul On 2012-11-11, at 11:03 AM, Charles Szasz wrote: > I just moved my project from Rev 4.0 to LC 5.5.3. My project worked fine with ListMagic using Rev 4.0. And it works fine with LC except when I try to save a list. I am now getting this error message in the IDE: An error occurred while saving Special Education List: can't open stack file(2) when I click on a button that has the following script: > > on mouseUp > go to card "communications" > upDate > end mouseUp > > on upDate > IF the platform is "MacOS" then > save stack "Special Education" as (specialFolderPath("asup")&"/"&"/Special Education.livecode") > if the result is not empty then > answer error "An error occurred while saving Special Education Student List: "&cr&\ > the result & "("& sysError() &")" > end if > end if > > > IF the platform is "win32" then > save stack "Special Education" as (specialFolderPath(35)&"/"&"/Special Education.livecode") > if the result is not empty then > answer error "An error occurred while saving Special Education Student List: "&cr&the result & "("& sysError() &")" > end if > end if > end upDate > > Any suggestions on how to correct this problem? I am assuming that there must be a change in LC 5.5.3. > > Charles Szasz > cszasz at mac.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From th.douez at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 01:20:04 2012 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:20:04 +0100 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: <1DFD207A-A780-4418-BF47-7A0AE88AF907@mac.com> References: <1DFD207A-A780-4418-BF47-7A0AE88AF907@mac.com> Message-ID: 2012/11/12 Thomas McGrath III : > Monte, > > Hi, where is that example plugin? I looked in quite a few places. > in the plugins coming with LC. check your plugin menu and msut be a revexample stack... Otherwise, open the plugin settings and you have a list of all the messages LC send to plugins. I use intensively revSelectedObjectChanged for one of my plugin and don't need to put anything in a front or backscript. HTH, Thierry > thanks > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > On Nov 11, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> If it's for an IDE plugin then there's a message for that. See the example plugin. >> >> On 12/11/2012, at 6:19 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >> >>> I need a little help figuring out how to keep track of the selObj of one stack from another stack that is set to palette? I know that some of you have done this with 'tool' stacks and this is the first time I am tackling this. >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> Bespoke application development for vertical markets >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rene.micout at numericable.com Mon Nov 12 04:24:50 2012 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:24:50 +0100 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: References: <1DFD207A-A780-4418-BF47-7A0AE88AF907@mac.com> Message-ID: <16373174-0849-4F38-8335-998BAAC3A41B@numericable.com> Le 12 nov. 2012 ? 07:20, Thierry Douez a ?crit : > I use intensively revSelectedObjectChanged for one of my plugin and don't need > to put anything in a front or backscript. Hello Thierry, What is the difference between "revSelectedObjectChanged" and "selectedObjectChanged" ? Merci par avance Ren? From th.douez at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 04:46:19 2012 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:46:19 +0100 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: <16373174-0849-4F38-8335-998BAAC3A41B@numericable.com> References: <1DFD207A-A780-4418-BF47-7A0AE88AF907@mac.com> <16373174-0849-4F38-8335-998BAAC3A41B@numericable.com> Message-ID: 2012/11/12 Ren? Micout : > > Le 12 nov. 2012 ? 07:20, Thierry Douez a ?crit : > >> I use intensively revSelectedObjectChanged for one of my plugin and don't need >> to put anything in a front or backscript. > > Hello Thierry, > What is the difference between "revSelectedObjectChanged" and "selectedObjectChanged" ? >From the dictionary: selectedObjectChanged: Sent to an object when it is selected. Um, for the plugins, I don't know if some doc exists ? But, selecting Development -> Plugins -> Plugin Setting you can see a list of all messages send to the specified plugin. En clair, si tu n'as pas ton propre plugin, oublie le revselectedObjectChanged :) HTH, et bonne journee, Thierry From rene.micout at numericable.com Mon Nov 12 05:04:06 2012 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:04:06 +0100 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: References: <1DFD207A-A780-4418-BF47-7A0AE88AF907@mac.com> <16373174-0849-4F38-8335-998BAAC3A41B@numericable.com> Message-ID: Le 12 nov. 2012 ? 10:46, Thierry Douez a ?crit : > 2012/11/12 Ren? Micout : >> >> Le 12 nov. 2012 ? 07:20, Thierry Douez a ?crit : >> >>> I use intensively revSelectedObjectChanged for one of my plugin and don't need >>> to put anything in a front or backscript. >> >> Hello Thierry, >> What is the difference between "revSelectedObjectChanged" and "selectedObjectChanged" ? > > From the dictionary: > selectedObjectChanged: Sent to an object when it is selected. > > Um, for the plugins, I don't know if some doc exists ? > But, selecting Development -> Plugins -> Plugin Setting you can see a > list of all messages send > to the specified plugin. > > En clair, si tu n'as pas ton propre plugin, oublie le > revselectedObjectChanged :) Merci Thierry, But it is enough clear... :-) I have my own plugin (rmTools) and I can see what you are writing in your last message, but what is better ? between : revMoveControl <> moveControl revResizeControl <> resizeControl revSelectedObjectChanged <> selectedObjectChanged etc... From th.douez at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 05:14:23 2012 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:14:23 +0100 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: References: <1DFD207A-A780-4418-BF47-7A0AE88AF907@mac.com> <16373174-0849-4F38-8335-998BAAC3A41B@numericable.com> Message-ID: 2012/11/12 Ren? Micout : > > Le 12 nov. 2012 ? 10:46, Thierry Douez a ?crit : > >> 2012/11/12 Ren? Micout : >>> >>> Le 12 nov. 2012 ? 07:20, Thierry Douez a ?crit : >>> >>>> I use intensively revSelectedObjectChanged for one of my plugin and don't need >>>> to put anything in a front or backscript. >>> >>> Hello Thierry, >>> What is the difference between "revSelectedObjectChanged" and "selectedObjectChanged" ? >> >> From the dictionary: >> selectedObjectChanged: Sent to an object when it is selected. >> >> Um, for the plugins, I don't know if some doc exists ? >> But, selecting Development -> Plugins -> Plugin Setting you can see a >> list of all messages send >> to the specified plugin. >> >> En clair, si tu n'as pas ton propre plugin, oublie le >> revselectedObjectChanged :) > > Merci Thierry, > But it is enough clear... :-) > I have my own plugin (rmTools) and I can see what you are writing in your last message, but what is better ? between : > revMoveControl <> moveControl > revResizeControl <> resizeControl > revSelectedObjectChanged <> selectedObjectChanged > etc... No simple answer :) I guess it depends on what you want to achieve. in my context, I prefer the plugin API because I'm not interfering much with the User's space and I stay in line with the IDE (sort of) My 2 cents, Thierry From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 06:18:14 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:18:14 +0200 Subject: [OT] New Window Manager for Linux (Gala) In-Reply-To: <1352666663878-4657156.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1352666663878-4657156.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <50A0DAF6.8050800@gmail.com> On 11/11/12 22:44, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > http://www.maui-project.org/ > > Maui is very interesting. qt-razr. Not released yet, but a really > interesting departure. For me Fluxbox is just about perfect, but that's a > minority taste of course. Has everything you need, or I at least need, and > nothing you don't. > > Peter > Personally, I'm just fine with XFCE 4.10 Richmond. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon Nov 12 09:48:40 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:48:40 -0500 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: <50A04ADC.3080304@fourthworld.com> References: <78D59192-BED2-4F1F-9D5F-972A52D3096E@mac.com> <50A04ADC.3080304@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the tips Richard. I was thinking that I would need to pass them when done to play well with others. I'll update as I go.. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 11, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > If you're referring to needing to keep the tool stack's controls non-selectable, yes, I either use a palette stack style, or if I want the window to be interleavable with others I sometimes use modeless. > > Works great in the IDE or in a standalone. Of course, as with any frontScript handler, you'll want to pass the message when you're done with it so other scripts depending on it won't get FUBARed. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon Nov 12 09:50:44 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:50:44 -0500 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: References: <1DFD207A-A780-4418-BF47-7A0AE88AF907@mac.com> Message-ID: <795484A1-9576-4B9F-B791-145A2B99B331@mac.com> Thierry, I don't remember ever having looked at that example plugin before! And looking at the plugin manager I can now see what messages are best sent to plugins. Thank you. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 12, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Thierry Douez wrote: > 2012/11/12 Thomas McGrath III : >> Monte, >> >> Hi, where is that example plugin? I looked in quite a few places. >> > > in the plugins coming with LC. > check your plugin menu and msut be a revexample stack... > > > Otherwise, open the plugin settings and you have a list of all > the messages LC send to plugins. > > I use intensively revSelectedObjectChanged for one of my plugin and don't need > to put anything in a front or backscript. > > HTH, > > Thierry > From iowahengst at mac.com Mon Nov 12 10:15:27 2012 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:15:27 -0600 Subject: Visual Effect Problem in LC5.5.3 In-Reply-To: <94F780AD-1DAB-4483-8098-D7729597D168@mac.com> References: <2AA6C5B8-D6D1-4458-8AB7-6DE83F20CDD5@mac.com> <509ED094.9000100@hyperactivesw.com> <94F780AD-1DAB-4483-8098-D7729597D168@mac.com> Message-ID: <861C54AD-0B81-4AA7-92FE-3B638635CB67@mac.com> Hi Tom, I've continued to mess with this? I've gotten the card-to-card transitions to work by adding a wait statement just before they are executed?. wait 20 ticks is what I needed? I haven't not tried to figure out why I needed to do that in some apps and not others? I assume it's the amount of or specific types of code being process before the visual effect is called? anyway, thought I'd share. be well, randy ------ On Nov 11, 2012, at 7:42 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > In my published apps I am experiencing this same problem with visual effects > > and also the Play command is no longer asynchronous so my move commands no longer execute until the sound is done playing (I'm not using "wait until sound is done") > > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > On Nov 10, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Randy Hengst wrote: > >> Jacque, I forgot to mention that I had tried that?and within rect? >> >> But, I explored some more using only go next card rather than go to card "card name"? next card worked, so I'm now looking for problems with my card script. >> >> Thanks for the push. >> >> be well, >> randy >> ----- >> On Nov 10, 2012, at 4:09 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >> >>> On 11/10/12 3:02 PM, Randy Hengst wrote: >>> >>>> I can open an app in 5.5.1 and test it? the effects work just fine in >>>> the simulator. I open the same app in 5.5.3 and the visual effects do >>>> not work? in the simulator or on an iPad 3. >>> >>> The syntax changed a bit, try the newer one: >>> >>> lock screen for visual effect >>> go next card >>> unlock screen with visual effect "flip left" >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From cszasz at me.com Mon Nov 12 10:40:10 2012 From: cszasz at me.com (Charles Szasz) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:40:10 -0500 Subject: ListMagic and LC 5.5.3 Problem Message-ID: Paul, Thanks so much for your suggestion. I was just working on the ListMagic table itself making changes to it. I will try your suggestions. Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 12 10:51:34 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:51:34 -0800 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50A11B06.4050508@fourthworld.com> Ren? Micout wrote: > I have my own plugin (rmTools) and I can see what you are writing > in your last message, but what is better ? between : > revMoveControl <> moveControl > revResizeControl <> resizeControl > revSelectedObjectChanged <> selectedObjectChanged > etc... There are also some mirrored properties, like the cRevLoadInfo["mode"] property which does the same thing as the built-in style stack property. The mirrored properties have mystified me since they were introduced into the IDE; I'm a big fan of just teaching people how the engine works and how to use it well. The messages, however, make more sense in a world where third parties can't be trusted to always pass frontScript messages. Without either your stack having a frontScript or the IDE trapping relevant messages and then sending them to your plugin stack, your plugin stack would have no notification of those events at all because such message are sent to the target, outside of the message path of your palette. In the olden days, before the IDE introduced the plugin management we have now, we handled this in our IDE plugins the same way we'd handle it in our standalones: Insert a frontScript when the plugin stack opens, remove it when the plugin stack closes. This is simple, provided the IDE vendor encourages people to understand frontScripts if they want to write plugins. It's also robust, provided the IDE vendor informs the plugin developer of the importance of passing messages handled in frontScripts. Plugin developers will have to learn at least one additional thing anyway, so it doesn't really matter whether you teach them how to use the message path well or how and why your IDE alters the message path to create the mirrored messages. But the implications of mistakenly not passing messages are severe, since of course messages are the life blood of the engine - cut them off and expected behaviors die, possibly raising support costs when folks use a poorly-written plugin and wonder why their IDE stopped working. At this point the mirrored messages and properties are here to stay, so if you're making stacks to be used only as IDE plugins it doesn't really matter whether you use them or not. But if you may want to use your plugin in a standalone, you might prefer the frontScript method since it's how the engine naturally works. The only downside to using frontScripts is the current limitation that you can only have ten of them in play at any given time in a standalone. This is a function of the scriptLimits, which don't apply to the IDE but do apply to all standalones. If you need a lot of frontScripts you could consider handling those with a single generalized trap like the IDE does, dispatching those messages (or some mirrored form if you prefer) to any stacks or other controls that need updating which may be outside of natural message path. But then again, if your app needs more than ten auxiliary windows open at a time, you have more of a concern about UI cleanliness than messaging. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From cszasz at me.com Mon Nov 12 10:59:02 2012 From: cszasz at me.com (Charles Szasz) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:59:02 -0500 Subject: ListMagic and LC 5.5.3 Problem Message-ID: <47985581-1648-447E-A9EB-667562B8E171@me.com> Paul, I thought I let you know that your suggestion worked for the Mac. I will have try on Windows a little later. Thanks again!! Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com From pete at lcsql.com Mon Nov 12 11:48:19 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 08:48:19 -0800 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: <50A11B06.4050508@fourthworld.com> References: <50A11B06.4050508@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > > There are also some mirrored properties, like the cRevLoadInfo["mode"] > property which does the same thing as the built-in style stack property. > The mirrored properties have mystified me since they were introduced into > the IDE; I'm a big fan of just teaching people how the engine works and how > to use it well. > The only cRevLoadInfo property I find useful is "mode". I use it to preconfigure my lcStackBorwser stack as a modeless when I make a production build. I've found it works best as a modeless stack rather than a palette and palette is the default stack style if none is specified. > > The messages, however, make more sense in a world where third parties > can't be trusted to always pass frontScript messages. > I would gladly use the revxxx messages instead of a front script but many of the messages I need to trp don't have a rev equivalent so rather than complicate life by having some messages trpped in a front script and some trapped by the revxxx mechanism, I chose to use a front script. > > > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/**FourthWorldSys > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pete at lcsql.com Mon Nov 12 11:51:37 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 08:51:37 -0800 Subject: Locating a line in a scrolling list field In-Reply-To: <509FFDE4.4020105@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1FB88E83-896B-48B1-BE01-B164248F4915@major.on-rev.com> <509FFDE4.4020105@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Thanks Klaus and Jacque. I've been playing around with all sort of computations to get this info only to find that the solution is simple! Pete lcSQL Software On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:35 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Let's say that the field is deep enough to display 10 lines and that there >> are 500 total lines in the field. The hilitedline property is relative to >> the total number of lines (500), not the line number within the 10 >> currently displayed. >> >> I seem to remember seeing something about this on the list in the past >> > > SelectedLoc? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 12 12:45:34 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:45:34 -0800 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50A135BE.2080707@fourthworld.com> Peter Haworth wrote: > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> There are also some mirrored properties, like the cRevLoadInfo["mode"] >> property which does the same thing as the built-in style stack property. >> The mirrored properties have mystified me since they were introduced into >> the IDE; I'm a big fan of just teaching people how the engine works and how >> to use it well. > > The only cRevLoadInfo property I find useful is "mode". I use it to > preconfigure my lcStackBorwser stack as a modeless when I make a production > build. I've found it works best as a modeless stack rather than a palette > and palette is the default stack style if none is specified. Sadly, the cRevLoadinfo["mode"] property is only useful because the IDE was designed to override the engine's own style stack property. :/ If they had simply encouraged folks to use the built-in engine property to govern a stack's mode, you could easily have palette, modeless, or any other style without the need to learn one more IDE-specific exception. But as it is, no matter what your stack's style property is set to, the IDE will open the stack as palette unless you set cRevLoadinfo["mode"] to something else. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From pete at lcsql.com Mon Nov 12 13:29:07 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:29:07 -0800 Subject: selObj from a palette stack In-Reply-To: <50A135BE.2080707@fourthworld.com> References: <50A135BE.2080707@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > If they had simply encouraged folks to use the built-in engine property to > govern a stack's mode, you could easily have palette, modeless, or any > other style without the need to learn one more IDE-specific exception. Yes, agreed! From slylabs13 at me.com Mon Nov 12 15:03:07 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:03:07 -1000 Subject: Locating a line in a scrolling list field In-Reply-To: References: <1FB88E83-896B-48B1-BE01-B164248F4915@major.on-rev.com> <509FFDE4.4020105@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I came up with a saying that if you catch yourself saying, "there's got to be a better way" then there probably is! Sent from my iPad On Nov 12, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Thanks Klaus and Jacque. I've been playing around with all sort of > computations to get this info only to find that the solution is simple! > Pete From cmsheffield at icloud.com Mon Nov 12 15:21:15 2012 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:21:15 -0700 Subject: iOS: restoring in-app purchases In-Reply-To: <6FD4723C-7F3C-45F5-A3DD-7096953ADF22@icloud.com> References: <6FD4723C-7F3C-45F5-A3DD-7096953ADF22@icloud.com> Message-ID: <52FA20A3-4BE0-43F4-849C-AAD1F080DCC9@icloud.com> No takers on this, huh? Isn't anyone else making use of in-app purchases? On Nov 9, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > Does anyone out there have a step-by-step on how to do this? The docs don't make it very clear. I understand I need to issue the mobileRestorePurchases command, but what do I do after that? I'd like to be able to retrieve a list of product IDs of previous purchases so that I can have complete control over the restore process, but I'm not sure if that's possible. > > Any pointers? > > Thanks, > Chris > > > -- > Chris Sheffield > Read Naturally, Inc. > www.readnaturally.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From irog at mac.com Mon Nov 12 15:21:51 2012 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:21:51 -0800 Subject: Locating a line in a scrolling list field In-Reply-To: References: <1FB88E83-896B-48B1-BE01-B164248F4915@major.on-rev.com> <509FFDE4.4020105@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <764BBF7F-31F3-4177-83D5-87AB59457631@mac.com> Reminds me of a quote from Jean Luc Pickard: Things are only impossible until they are not! On Nov 12, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > I came up with a saying that if you catch yourself saying, "there's got to be a better way" then there probably is! From malamoud.public at free.fr Mon Nov 12 15:26:12 2012 From: malamoud.public at free.fr (Georges Malamoud) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:26:12 +0100 Subject: LiveCode Slides & Appstore Apps List Message-ID: I have two Apps in the App Store, it's called "Triste vie de bureau" and "L'?le du B" Both are french comic strips ebooks Georges From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon Nov 12 15:32:54 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:32:54 -0500 Subject: Visual Effect Problem in LC5.5.3 In-Reply-To: <861C54AD-0B81-4AA7-92FE-3B638635CB67@mac.com> References: <2AA6C5B8-D6D1-4458-8AB7-6DE83F20CDD5@mac.com> <509ED094.9000100@hyperactivesw.com> <94F780AD-1DAB-4483-8098-D7729597D168@mac.com> <861C54AD-0B81-4AA7-92FE-3B638635CB67@mac.com> Message-ID: <5504B735-9118-4200-9D5F-64B7372E2BB3@mac.com> Thanks for sharing Randy. I am hoping more people will notice these issues and gain some attention. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 12, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Randy Hengst wrote: > Hi Tom, > > I've continued to mess with this? I've gotten the card-to-card transitions to work by adding a wait statement just before they are executed?. wait 20 ticks is what I needed? I haven't not tried to figure out why I needed to do that in some apps and not others? I assume it's the amount of or specific types of code being process before the visual effect is called? anyway, thought I'd share. > > be well, > randy > ------ > On Nov 11, 2012, at 7:42 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> In my published apps I am experiencing this same problem with visual effects >> >> and also the Play command is no longer asynchronous so my move commands no longer execute until the sound is done playing (I'm not using "wait until sound is done") >> >> >> -- Tom McGrath III >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> 3mcgrath at comcast.net >> >> On Nov 10, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Randy Hengst wrote: >> >>> Jacque, I forgot to mention that I had tried that?and within rect? >>> >>> But, I explored some more using only go next card rather than go to card "card name"? next card worked, so I'm now looking for problems with my card script. >>> >>> Thanks for the push. >>> >>> be well, >>> randy >>> ----- >>> On Nov 10, 2012, at 4:09 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >>> >>>> On 11/10/12 3:02 PM, Randy Hengst wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can open an app in 5.5.1 and test it? the effects work just fine in >>>>> the simulator. I open the same app in 5.5.3 and the visual effects do >>>>> not work? in the simulator or on an iPad 3. >>>> >>>> The syntax changed a bit, try the newer one: >>>> >>>> lock screen for visual effect >>>> go next card >>>> unlock screen with visual effect "flip left" >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From harrison at all-auctions.com Mon Nov 12 16:50:30 2012 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:50:30 -0500 Subject: LiveCode Slides & Appstore Apps List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E55CB9A-2DFB-40B7-891D-3577DE379187@all-auctions.com> Hi Georges, Thanks, I'll be sure to check them out! Rick On Nov 12, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Georges Malamoud wrote: > I have two Apps in the App Store, it's called "Triste vie de bureau" and "L'?le du B" > Both are french comic strips ebooks > Georges > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dochawk at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 17:15:05 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:15:05 -0800 Subject: easy pasting from spreadsheet to table? Message-ID: I thought I did this months ago with no hassle at all, and now I'm getting odd results. Every few months, as new data becomes available, I need to update my program. The data comes in an xlsx spreadsheet. I'm using LibreOffice, if it matters. I thought that I had simply selected, copied, and pasted into a table, which I then parsed into a database. Now I'm getting wide resettings of fields, and the fields don't display. Have I forgotten something easy? -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From pete at lcsql.com Mon Nov 12 17:58:36 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:58:36 -0800 Subject: Locating a line in a scrolling list field In-Reply-To: <764BBF7F-31F3-4177-83D5-87AB59457631@mac.com> References: <1FB88E83-896B-48B1-BE01-B164248F4915@major.on-rev.com> <509FFDE4.4020105@hyperactivesw.com> <764BBF7F-31F3-4177-83D5-87AB59457631@mac.com> Message-ID: All variations on Occum's Razor I guess! Pete lcSQL Software On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > Reminds me of a quote from Jean Luc Pickard: > > Things are > only impossible until they are not! > > > On Nov 12, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > > > I came up with a saying that if you catch yourself saying, "there's got > to be a better way" then there probably is! > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From john at debraneys.com Mon Nov 12 18:01:18 2012 From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:01:18 +1100 Subject: Locating a line in a scrolling list field In-Reply-To: References: <1FB88E83-896B-48B1-BE01-B164248F4915@major.on-rev.com> <509FFDE4.4020105@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: One I particularly like is; If at first you don't succeed ... Then parachuting is not for you. : ) John -------- On 13/11/2012, at 7:03 AM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > I came up with a saying that if you catch yourself saying, "there's got to be a better way" then there probably is! > > Sent from my iPad > > On Nov 12, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> Thanks Klaus and Jacque. I've been playing around with all sort of >> computations to get this info only to find that the solution is simple! >> Pete > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Mon Nov 12 18:18:14 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:18:14 -0800 Subject: Locating a line in a scrolling list field In-Reply-To: References: <1FB88E83-896B-48B1-BE01-B164248F4915@major.on-rev.com> <509FFDE4.4020105@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Nice, I like that! Pete lcSQL Software On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:01 PM, John Tregea wrote: > One I particularly like is; > > If at first you don't succeed ... > > Then parachuting is not for you. > > : ) > > John > > -------- > > > On 13/11/2012, at 7:03 AM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > > > I came up with a saying that if you catch yourself saying, "there's got > to be a better way" then there probably is! > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Nov 12, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > >> Thanks Klaus and Jacque. I've been playing around with all sort of > >> computations to get this info only to find that the solution is simple! > >> Pete > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mikekann at yahoo.com Mon Nov 12 21:52:03 2012 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:52:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OT] Killer Anti-Virus App In-Reply-To: <50A11B06.4050508@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1352775123.393.YahooMailClassic@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/12/antivirus-software-developer-accused-of-murder-in-belize/ From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Nov 13 01:52:38 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:52:38 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: <69CB4B81-8AC0-4772-97A9-ECC6D19074C4@sweattechnologies.com> References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> <1CB9C8E5-D88B-4C44-B50A-A422CB8C01CC@sweattechnologies.com> <26E76FFB-F235-455A-BA7F-704EA142F671@sweattechnologies.com> <87954210-2DB1-492D-BD04-B1EE45722DEC@sweattechnologies.com> <014401cdbea7$6bac9220$4305b660$@net> <69CB4B81-8AC0-4772-97A9-ECC6D19074C4@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <3585C577-F420-4883-9F8B-B3AB8406E10B@sweattechnologies.com> Hi Everyone I hope to be able to setup a test flight demo with the funders to help test the external either late this week or early next week. In addition to the peer to peer messaging, leaderboards and achievements one of the funders is very keen to have turn based matches implemented. It's a significant addition to my initial release plans so I'm looking for a bit more funding. One of the great things about match making is it's a sale opportunity for your game when a friend asks a user to play and they don't have the game. Anyway, I'm prepared to put in a some extra hours if the LC community can come up with a little bit more funding. Probably $250 or so would satisfy me I'm not just implementing it for one person and a few others want it. Cheers Monte -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From iowahengst at mac.com Tue Nov 13 07:26:16 2012 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:26:16 -0600 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?OT=85_a_bit_Apps_on_iPad_Mini?= Message-ID: Hi All, I was able to use my apps successfully on a iPad Mini? including the app that a user told me broke on the new iPad 4. I still haven't had access to an iPad 4 to check things out, but will be happy to share what I find. Does anyone have access to a iPad 4 and would be willing to check try a couple of my apps? I don't have time today, (the 13th), but would have some time tomorrow if anyone is wants me to try their app on the iPad mini. be well, randy From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Nov 13 07:47:03 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:47:03 -0500 Subject: iOS: restoring in-app purchases In-Reply-To: <52FA20A3-4BE0-43F4-849C-AAD1F080DCC9@icloud.com> References: <6FD4723C-7F3C-45F5-A3DD-7096953ADF22@icloud.com> <52FA20A3-4BE0-43F4-849C-AAD1F080DCC9@icloud.com> Message-ID: Not yet Chris, but I am interested as well since this is on the horizon for me. Hope you can get an answer here. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 12, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > No takers on this, huh? Isn't anyone else making use of in-app purchases? > > On Nov 9, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > >> Does anyone out there have a step-by-step on how to do this? The docs don't make it very clear. I understand I need to issue the mobileRestorePurchases command, but what do I do after that? I'd like to be able to retrieve a list of product IDs of previous purchases so that I can have complete control over the restore process, but I'm not sure if that's possible. >> >> Any pointers? >> >> Thanks, >> Chris >> >> >> -- >> Chris Sheffield >> Read Naturally, Inc. >> www.readnaturally.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 13 10:41:49 2012 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:41:49 -0800 Subject: Livecode's appetite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <755FBEE8-FA8B-41CD-B573-D15BCCCCE09D@sbcglobal.net> I just happened to notice Livecode's CPU appetite,--as reported in the Activity Monitor. It is takes up 6.7% of the CPU available usage, even while I am using MS Word. On the other hand, Excel is using only .2% There is probably a good reason for LC's appetite. Jim From mail at richard-hillen.de Tue Nov 13 10:41:51 2012 From: mail at richard-hillen.de (R. Hillen) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:41:51 +0100 Subject: Integer-Calculation with 24 decimals? Message-ID: Hello list, I have to do a lot of calculations like 1234516789012345678901234 mod 97; (always 24 decimals) IntegerCalculation in LC with 24 decimals doesn?t work valide. Does anyone of you know of an external function or a mathematical trick or ? Thank you in advance! Richard. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Nov 13 10:50:50 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:50:50 +0100 Subject: Livecode's appetite In-Reply-To: <755FBEE8-FA8B-41CD-B573-D15BCCCCE09D@sbcglobal.net> References: <755FBEE8-FA8B-41CD-B573-D15BCCCCE09D@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Check pendingmessages, "send in time" commands, repeat loops with messages, blinking cursor and, last but not least, default buttons. If I create a standalone without any of this, it usually gets below 3% most of the time. Still, much more than most other apps and problematic if you decide to run 10 standalones at the same time (something which isn't a problem at all if you use apps created with XCode). While I'm writing this, Color Converter (made with LiveCode) shows a CPU usage of 0.0%, which proves that it is possible to make apps that don't eat up CPU time while running in the background. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 13 nov 2012, at 16:41, Jim Hurley wrote: > I just happened to notice Livecode's CPU appetite,--as reported in the Activity Monitor. It is takes up 6.7% of the CPU available usage, even while I am using MS Word. > > On the other hand, Excel is using only .2% > > There is probably a good reason for LC's appetite. > > Jim From davidocoker at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 10:57:04 2012 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:57:04 -0600 Subject: Livecode's appetite In-Reply-To: <755FBEE8-FA8B-41CD-B573-D15BCCCCE09D@sbcglobal.net> References: <755FBEE8-FA8B-41CD-B573-D15BCCCCE09D@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Jim Hurley wrote: > I just happened to notice Livecode's CPU appetite,--as reported in the Activity Monitor. It is takes up 6.7% of the CPU available usage, even while I am using MS Word. > > On the other hand, Excel is using only .2% > > There is probably a good reason for LC's appetite. > > Jim I'm running Windows 8 and just had a look at the task manager... after launching LC and without any project loaded, it showed zero percentage on the CPU. I then opened my largest stack and it ran up into the 2% CPU range, then settled back to zero again. I'm sure it wasn't a true zero reading, but it was low enough that the system resource monitor thought so. Best regards, David C. From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 13 11:26:57 2012 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:26:57 -0800 Subject: Livecode's appetite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <25A2B946-A3EC-49AA-B37F-E07BC4BAF395@sbcglobal.net> Hi Mark, Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Very interesting. Quick first response: It appears there is a problem similar to that of the Uncertainty Principle in quantum mechanics, where one cannot observe the system without changing it. I went to my existing app that was open in Livecode to look at the pendingmessage, and it appeared to mje that my observation will change the observed. Jim > Hi Jim, > > Check pendingmessages, "send in time" commands, repeat loops with messages, blinking cursor and, last but not least, default buttons. > > If I create a standalone without any of this, it usually gets below 3% most of the time. Still, much more than most other apps and problematic if you decide to run 10 standalones at the same time (something which isn't a problem at all if you use apps created with XCode). > > While I'm writing this, Color Converter (made with LiveCode) shows a CPU usage of 0.0%, which proves that it is possible to make apps that don't eat up CPU time while running in the background. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > From jamie at eurotalk.com Tue Nov 13 11:42:57 2012 From: jamie at eurotalk.com (Jamie Stuart) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:42:57 +0000 Subject: iOS: restoring in-app purchases In-Reply-To: References: <6FD4723C-7F3C-45F5-A3DD-7096953ADF22@icloud.com> <52FA20A3-4BE0-43F4-849C-AAD1F080DCC9@icloud.com> Message-ID: Chris, 1] mobileRestorePurchases 2] assuming purchases exist, you'll receive a purchaseStateUpdate message with the purchaseID from the app store 3] mobilePurchaseState(purchaseID) will then return the type "restored" 4] you can then mobilePurchaseConfirmDelivery purchaseID to confirm delivery and do any processing you require. See page 58 of the iOS release Notes. Below is a sample purchaseStateUpdate handler on purchaseStateUpdate purchaseID switch mobilePurchaseState(purchaseID) case "paymentReceived" mobilePurchaseConfirmDelivery purchaseID -- deal with a successful purchase mobileDisablePurchaseUpdates break case "restored" mobilePurchaseConfirmDelivery purchaseID -- deal with a restored purchase break case "error" answer "A problem occured during purchase handling:" & return & return & mobilePurchaseError(purchaseID) mobileDisablePurchaseUpdates -- deal with a problematic purchase break case "cancelled" mobileDisablePurchaseUpdates -- deal with a cancelled purchase break end switch end purchaseStateUpdate Jamie, CMSNISO, EuroTalk On 13 Nov 2012, at 12:47, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Not yet Chris, but I am interested as well since this is on the horizon for me. > > Hope you can get an answer here. > > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > On Nov 12, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > >> No takers on this, huh? Isn't anyone else making use of in-app purchases? >> >> On Nov 9, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: >> >>> Does anyone out there have a step-by-step on how to do this? The docs don't make it very clear. I understand I need to issue the mobileRestorePurchases command, but what do I do after that? I'd like to be able to retrieve a list of product IDs of previous purchases so that I can have complete control over the restore process, but I'm not sure if that's possible. >>> >>> Any pointers? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Sheffield >>> Read Naturally, Inc. >>> www.readnaturally.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From cmsheffield at icloud.com Tue Nov 13 12:10:35 2012 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:10:35 -0700 Subject: iOS: restoring in-app purchases In-Reply-To: References: <6FD4723C-7F3C-45F5-A3DD-7096953ADF22@icloud.com> <52FA20A3-4BE0-43F4-849C-AAD1F080DCC9@icloud.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Jamie. Excellent info. How do you handle things if there are multiple purchases that have been made? Will multiple purchaseStateUpdate messages be sent one right after the other? Which is fine if you want to re-download everything all at once, but what if you don't? What would be really nice is if we could somehow retrieve a list of purchased products and then use something like: mobileRestorePurchases productID in order to have complete control over what gets restored. Are you aware of any way to do this? Also, part of what I'd like to do is have a Restore Purchases button that is only visible if purchases have been made. But as far as I can tell, there is no reliable way to determine if purchases have been made on the device. Or am I completely missing something? Thanks again, Chris On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Jamie Stuart wrote: > Chris, > > 1] mobileRestorePurchases > 2] assuming purchases exist, you'll receive a purchaseStateUpdate message with the purchaseID from the app store > 3] mobilePurchaseState(purchaseID) will then return the type "restored" > 4] you can then mobilePurchaseConfirmDelivery purchaseID to confirm delivery and do any processing you require. > > See page 58 of the iOS release Notes. Below is a sample purchaseStateUpdate handler > > on purchaseStateUpdate purchaseID > switch mobilePurchaseState(purchaseID) > case "paymentReceived" > mobilePurchaseConfirmDelivery purchaseID > -- deal with a successful purchase > mobileDisablePurchaseUpdates > break > case "restored" > mobilePurchaseConfirmDelivery purchaseID > -- deal with a restored purchase > break > case "error" > answer "A problem occured during purchase handling:" & return & return & mobilePurchaseError(purchaseID) > mobileDisablePurchaseUpdates > -- deal with a problematic purchase > break > case "cancelled" > mobileDisablePurchaseUpdates > -- deal with a cancelled purchase > break > end switch > end purchaseStateUpdate > > > Jamie, CMSNISO, EuroTalk > > On 13 Nov 2012, at 12:47, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> Not yet Chris, but I am interested as well since this is on the horizon for me. >> >> Hope you can get an answer here. >> >> >> -- Tom McGrath III >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> 3mcgrath at comcast.net >> >> On Nov 12, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: >> >>> No takers on this, huh? Isn't anyone else making use of in-app purchases? >>> >>> On Nov 9, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone out there have a step-by-step on how to do this? The docs don't make it very clear. I understand I need to issue the mobileRestorePurchases command, but what do I do after that? I'd like to be able to retrieve a list of product IDs of previous purchases so that I can have complete control over the restore process, but I'm not sure if that's possible. >>>> >>>> Any pointers? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chris Sheffield >>>> Read Naturally, Inc. >>>> www.readnaturally.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Tue Nov 13 13:15:54 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:15:54 -0500 Subject: iOS rejection: Do-Not-Backup attribute In-Reply-To: References: <6FD4723C-7F3C-45F5-A3DD-7096953ADF22@icloud.com> <52FA20A3-4BE0-43F4-849C-AAD1F080DCC9@icloud.com> Message-ID: <009401cdc1ca$ebf94970$c3ebdc50$@net> I was just rejected for a..... and I quote "2.23 We found that your app does not follow the iOS Data Storage Guidelines, which is required per the App Store Review Guidelines." My SQLite DB is 9 meg and needs to have the "Do Not Backup" attribute enabled. How do I do this? I thought Monte had an external for this "mergXattr". I can't find it on mergExt website. Do I need to do a manual edit of a file in the app? Thanks all! Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net From kee at kagi.com Tue Nov 13 13:19:20 2012 From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:19:20 -0800 Subject: Integer-Calculation with 24 decimals? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For this, I'd do it "by hand". Treat the numbers as text in a field rather than digits and follow the same process you would if you were to do this on paper. For modulo I'd start by making a list of multiples of 97 and start manually subtracting them. for example, 1234516789012345678901234 -970000000000000000000000 264516789012345678901234 264516789012345678901234 -2 * 97000000000000000000000 =70516789012345678901234 rinse and repeat. should be easy enough to do the subtraction and carry and such in code. Eventually you end up with the modulo. -- Easy enough to do the same thing with all the other math functions. Kee On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:41 AM, R. Hillen wrote: > Hello list, > > I have to do a lot of calculations like 1234516789012345678901234 mod 97; (always 24 decimals) > > IntegerCalculation in LC with 24 decimals doesn?t work valide. > > Does anyone of you know of an external function or a mathematical trick or ? > > Thank you in advance! > > Richard. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Tue Nov 13 13:22:18 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:22:18 -0500 Subject: iOS rejection: Do-Not-Backup attribute In-Reply-To: <009401cdc1ca$ebf94970$c3ebdc50$@net> References: <6FD4723C-7F3C-45F5-A3DD-7096953ADF22@icloud.com> <52FA20A3-4BE0-43F4-849C-AAD1F080DCC9@icloud.com> <009401cdc1ca$ebf94970$c3ebdc50$@net> Message-ID: <009901cdc1cb$d11441e0$733cc5a0$@net> Never mind... Found that mergXattr was depreciated by an engine command. Whoops, I panicked before I read the docs. Sorry to bother you good folks. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ralph DiMola Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:16 PM To: 'How to use LiveCode' Subject: RE: iOS rejection: Do-Not-Backup attribute I was just rejected for a..... and I quote "2.23 We found that your app does not follow the iOS Data Storage Guidelines, which is required per the App Store Review Guidelines." My SQLite DB is 9 meg and needs to have the "Do Not Backup" attribute enabled. How do I do this? I thought Monte had an external for this "mergXattr". I can't find it on mergExt website. Do I need to do a manual edit of a file in the app? Thanks all! Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 13:38:37 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:38:37 +0200 Subject: http://www.haiku-os.org/ Message-ID: <50A293AD.5030805@gmail.com> AND ? Will ther be an engine for Haiku? Or an executabe? Do hope so, as Haiku might just be the next big thing; especially if it speeds up a bit. Richmond. From dunbarx at aol.com Tue Nov 13 13:55:07 2012 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:55:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Integer-Calculation with 24 decimals? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF8FE78886326F-5E8-4AB2F@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> Hi. I made a gadget in HC long (and I mean long) ago that did this for addition. Here is the code: function longAdd arg1,arg2 put 0 into carry put abs(the length of arg1-the length of arg2) into numzeros repeat numzeros put "0" after leadingZeros end repeat if the length of arg1 >= the length of arg2 then put the length of arg1 into index put leadingZeros before arg2 else put the length of arg2 into index put leadingZeros before arg1 end if repeat with y = index down to 1 put char y of arg1 + char y of arg2 + carry into temp if char y of arg1 + char y of arg2 + carry > 9 then put 1 into carry else put 0 into carry put last char of temp before accum end repeat if carry = 1 then put "1" before accum return accum end longAdd Craig Newman -----Original Message----- From: R. Hillen To: use-livecode Sent: Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:42 am Subject: Integer-Calculation with 24 decimals? Hello list, I have to do a lot of calculations like 1234516789012345678901234 mod 97; (always 24 decimals) IntegerCalculation in LC with 24 decimals doesn?t work valide. Does anyone of you know of an external function or a mathematical trick or ? Thank you in advance! Richard. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 13 14:04:07 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:04:07 -0600 Subject: Livecode's appetite In-Reply-To: <25A2B946-A3EC-49AA-B37F-E07BC4BAF395@sbcglobal.net> References: <25A2B946-A3EC-49AA-B37F-E07BC4BAF395@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <50A299A7.6050000@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/13/12 10:26 AM, Jim Hurley wrote: > It appears there is a problem similar to that of the Uncertainty > Principle in quantum mechanics, where one cannot observe the system > without changing it. There's a pending messages pane in the message box where you can watch them fly past without interfering. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 13 19:01:47 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:01:47 -0600 Subject: iOS keyboard Message-ID: <50A2DF6B.7090906@hyperactivesw.com> When you set the return key to "done" on an iOS keyboard, isn't it supposed to say "Done" on it? In the simulator at least, it still says "return". It behaves correctly, it's just mislabeled. Also, is there a way to know if the user has typed the "hide keyboard" key to dismiss it? I want to treat that as a cancel. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 13 19:07:10 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:07:10 -0600 Subject: iOS keyboard In-Reply-To: <50A2DF6B.7090906@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50A2DF6B.7090906@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50A2E0AE.6080808@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/13/12 6:01 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > When you set the return key to "done" on an iOS keyboard, isn't it > supposed to say "Done" on it? In the simulator at least, it still says > "return". It behaves correctly, it's just mislabeled. Got this figured out already -- you have to use mobileControlSet instead of iphoneSetKeyboardReturnKey. > > Also, is there a way to know if the user has typed the "hide keyboard" > key to dismiss it? I want to treat that as a cancel. > I still don't know about this one though. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From simon at emotionaldiary.org Tue Nov 13 20:33:42 2012 From: simon at emotionaldiary.org (Simon Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:33:42 +0000 Subject: Do "in browser" not working? Message-ID: I've been trying to execute some basic JavaScript tests in the IDE on OSX. *on* mouseUp > *do* "result = urlParams" in browser > *-- put "12131232" into myScore > * *-- do "alert ('" & myScore & "');" in browser > **end* mouseUp However although the script compiles, the debugger complains and I can;t get anything to work. There is no mention in the help either - has this feature been dropped somewhere along the road? From dunbarx at aol.com Tue Nov 13 20:52:01 2012 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:52:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Do "in browser" not working? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF9021C609887B-A24-50D80@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> Hi. What are you trying to do here? Much of your code is syntactically incorrect. Are you trying to use another language in LiveCode? I am referring to the "in browser" stuff. The line: do "put 12131232 into myScore" would indeed put that number into a variable named "myScore", but so would: put 12131232 into myScore. Write back, but the only thing that looks good here is that you used a capital letter "S" in "myScore" Craig Newman *on* mouseUp > *do* "result = urlParams" in browser > *-- put "12131232" into myScore > * *-- do "alert ('" & myScore & "');" in browser > **end* mouseUp -----Original Message----- From: Simon Smith To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:34 pm Subject: Do "in browser" not working? I've been trying to execute some basic JavaScript tests in the IDE on OSX. *on* mouseUp > *do* "result = urlParams" in browser > *-- put "12131232" into myScore > * *-- do "alert ('" & myScore & "');" in browser > **end* mouseUp However although the script compiles, the debugger complains and I can;t get anything to work. There is no mention in the help either - has this feature been dropped somewhere along the road? _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Nov 13 21:03:21 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:03:21 +0100 Subject: Do "in browser" not working? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Simon, Probably, you want this: on mouseUp put "12131232" into myScore put "alert('" & myScore & "');"into myScript put revBrowserExecuteScript(gBrowserInstanceID, myScript) into myJSResult end mouseUp -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 14 nov 2012, at 02:33, Simon Smith wrote: > I've been trying to execute some basic JavaScript tests in the IDE on OSX. > > *on* mouseUp >> *do* "result = urlParams" in browser >> *-- put "12131232" into myScore >> * *-- do "alert ('" & myScore & "');" in browser >> **end* mouseUp > > However although the script compiles, the debugger complains and I can;t > get anything to work. There is no mention in the help either - has this > feature been dropped somewhere along the road? From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 13 22:37:08 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:37:08 -0600 Subject: iOS keyboard In-Reply-To: <50A2E0AE.6080808@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50A2DF6B.7090906@hyperactivesw.com> <50A2E0AE.6080808@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50A311E4.1090106@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/13/12 6:07 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >> Also, is there a way to know if the user has typed the "hide keyboard" >> key to dismiss it? I want to treat that as a cancel. >> > > I still don't know about this one though. > Also, I want a native iOS input control that allows no carriage returns but that wraps long lines. That's why I wanted a "Done" button -- but even after I got it to say Done, it still types a return if the input control is multiline. Trapping inputReturnKey doesn't seem to work, it isn't sent for a multiline control. Is it possible to create a one-line control that wraps? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From gbojsza at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 02:38:46 2012 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:38:46 -0500 Subject: How to handle spaces in a path when using shell Message-ID: Hello, I have a script where the shell launches an application. It works files if the file path contains no spaces put shell("/Users/lab/Desktop/tools/HardwareSimulator.sh") but when there are any spaces it doesn't work... the space is between Macintosh and HD2 put shell("/Volumes/*Macintosh HD2*/tools/HardwareSimulator.sh") I ran into this a few years ago and I can't remember what I did to fix it... though I do know it was something to do with altering the string and I did not have to create a shell script...I really need to start keeping track of these solutions. thanks, Glen From th.douez at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 03:05:09 2012 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:05:09 +0100 Subject: How to handle spaces in a path when using shell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Glen, > put shell("/Users/lab/Desktop/tools/HardwareSimulator.sh") > but when there are any spaces it doesn't work... the space is > between Macintosh and HD2 This snippet works: get "/Volumes/Macintosh HD" replace space with "\ " in IT put shell("ls " & IT) change whatever to fit your needs. Hope you get hte idea.. Thierry From gbojsza at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 03:27:17 2012 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:27:17 -0500 Subject: How to handle spaces in a path when using shell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's it! Also I needed to concatenate the commands to get the application to launch. thanks On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:05 AM, Thierry Douez wrote: > Hi Glen, > > > put shell("/Users/lab/Desktop/tools/HardwareSimulator.sh") > > but when there are any spaces it doesn't work... the space is > > between Macintosh and HD2 > > This snippet works: > > get "/Volumes/Macintosh HD" > replace space with "\ " in IT > put shell("ls " & IT) > > > change whatever to fit your needs. > > Hope you get hte idea.. > > Thierry > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From revolution at derbrill.de Wed Nov 14 05:35:40 2012 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:35:40 +0100 Subject: The owner of the icon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I would like to find out who owns the image that is referenced in the icon property of a button. Would love to avoid to having to iterate over all open stacks and cards. Does anyone have a nifty snippet to get that? Thanks, Malte From benr_mc at cogapp.com Wed Nov 14 06:15:52 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:15:52 +0000 Subject: The owner of the icon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50A37D68.5010909@cogapp.com> On 14/11/2012 10:35, Malte Brill wrote: > I would like to find out who owns the image that is referenced in the icon property of a button. Would love to avoid to having to iterate over all open stacks and cards. Does anyone have a nifty snippet to get that? Would "the long id of image id " answer it? From jamie at eurotalk.com Wed Nov 14 06:20:30 2012 From: jamie at eurotalk.com (Jamie Stuart) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:20:30 +0000 Subject: iOS: restoring in-app purchases In-Reply-To: References: <6FD4723C-7F3C-45F5-A3DD-7096953ADF22@icloud.com> <52FA20A3-4BE0-43F4-849C-AAD1F080DCC9@icloud.com> Message-ID: purchaseStateUpdate messages are received in whatever order the iTunes store decides to send them. You'll have to just wait for a period of time and implement your own queueing system. It is annoying there is no way of knowing if you've received all restored purchases. Jamie, CMSNISO, EuroTalk On 13 Nov 2012, at 17:10, Chris Sheffield wrote: > Thanks, Jamie. Excellent info. > > How do you handle things if there are multiple purchases that have been made? Will multiple purchaseStateUpdate messages be sent one right after the other? Which is fine if you want to re-download everything all at once, but what if you don't? What would be really nice is if we could somehow retrieve a list of purchased products and then use something like: > > mobileRestorePurchases productID > > in order to have complete control over what gets restored. Are you aware of any way to do this? > > Also, part of what I'd like to do is have a Restore Purchases button that is only visible if purchases have been made. But as far as I can tell, there is no reliable way to determine if purchases have been made on the device. Or am I completely missing something? > > Thanks again, > Chris > > > On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Jamie Stuart wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> 1] mobileRestorePurchases >> 2] assuming purchases exist, you'll receive a purchaseStateUpdate message with the purchaseID from the app store >> 3] mobilePurchaseState(purchaseID) will then return the type "restored" >> 4] you can then mobilePurchaseConfirmDelivery purchaseID to confirm delivery and do any processing you require. >> >> See page 58 of the iOS release Notes. Below is a sample purchaseStateUpdate handler >> >> on purchaseStateUpdate purchaseID >> switch mobilePurchaseState(purchaseID) >> case "paymentReceived" >> mobilePurchaseConfirmDelivery purchaseID >> -- deal with a successful purchase >> mobileDisablePurchaseUpdates >> break >> case "restored" >> mobilePurchaseConfirmDelivery purchaseID >> -- deal with a restored purchase >> break >> case "error" >> answer "A problem occured during purchase handling:" & return & return & mobilePurchaseError(purchaseID) >> mobileDisablePurchaseUpdates >> -- deal with a problematic purchase >> break >> case "cancelled" >> mobileDisablePurchaseUpdates >> -- deal with a cancelled purchase >> break >> end switch >> end purchaseStateUpdate >> >> >> Jamie, CMSNISO, EuroTalk >> >> On 13 Nov 2012, at 12:47, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >> >>> Not yet Chris, but I am interested as well since this is on the horizon for me. >>> >>> Hope you can get an answer here. >>> >>> >>> -- Tom McGrath III >>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net >>> >>> On Nov 12, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: >>> >>>> No takers on this, huh? Isn't anyone else making use of in-app purchases? >>>> >>>> On Nov 9, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: >>>> >>>>> Does anyone out there have a step-by-step on how to do this? The docs don't make it very clear. I understand I need to issue the mobileRestorePurchases command, but what do I do after that? I'd like to be able to retrieve a list of product IDs of previous purchases so that I can have complete control over the restore process, but I'm not sure if that's possible. >>>>> >>>>> Any pointers? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Chris Sheffield >>>>> Read Naturally, Inc. >>>>> www.readnaturally.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From revolution at derbrill.de Wed Nov 14 08:29:03 2012 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:29:03 +0100 Subject: The owner of the icon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0922B309-94D9-4BEE-947E-B16053E8C379@derbrill.de> Hi Ben, I am afraid not. This would require the image to be on the same stack (and even card) as the topstack. For icons it could be any card of any stack. > Would "the long id of image id " answer it? From bonnmike at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 08:36:13 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:36:13 -0700 Subject: Do "in browser" not working? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I recall correctly "Do in browser" only worked in revlets. If you want to execute script in a browser instance on the desktop then marks example is the way to go. (revbrowserexecutescript) Also if I recall correctly your first line is the correct way to get a result out(except using revbrowserexecutescript), and the result would contain whatever values were in urlParams. get revbrowserexecutescript(sbrowserid,"result = urlParams") There is also revbrowsercallscript for calling pre-defined functions in a web page in a browser instance. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi Simon, > > Probably, you want this: > > on mouseUp > put "12131232" into myScore > put "alert('" & myScore & "');"into myScript > put revBrowserExecuteScript(gBrowserInstanceID, myScript) into myJSResult > end mouseUp > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour > spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > > We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. > > > On 14 nov 2012, at 02:33, Simon Smith wrote: > > > I've been trying to execute some basic JavaScript tests in the IDE on > OSX. > > > > *on* mouseUp > >> *do* "result = urlParams" in browser > >> *-- put "12131232" into myScore > >> * *-- do "alert ('" & myScore & "');" in browser > >> **end* mouseUp > > > > However although the script compiles, the debugger complains and I can;t > > get anything to work. There is no mention in the help either - has this > > feature been dropped somewhere along the road? > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From bonnmike at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 08:44:17 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:44:17 -0700 Subject: The owner of the icon In-Reply-To: <0922B309-94D9-4BEE-947E-B16053E8C379@derbrill.de> References: <0922B309-94D9-4BEE-947E-B16053E8C379@derbrill.de> Message-ID: Hmm. Based on this.. *Comments:* LiveCode looks for the specified image in the following order: 1) The stack of the object's behavior (if applicable) 2) The stack of the owner of the object's behavior(if applicable) n) The stack of the object's stack's behavior (if applicable) A) The object's stack B) The object's stack's mainstack (if a substack) C) The object's stack's mainstacks substacks D) The list of open stacks, in order they were loaded it does seem that you'll have to iterate through since img ids are not unique across stacks. On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Malte Brill wrote: > Hi Ben, > > I am afraid not. This would require the image to be on the same stack (and > even card) as the topstack. For icons it could be any card of any stack. > > > Would "the long id of image id " answer it? > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Nov 14 09:07:27 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:07:27 -0500 Subject: iOS keyboard In-Reply-To: <50A311E4.1090106@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50A2DF6B.7090906@hyperactivesw.com> <50A2E0AE.6080808@hyperactivesw.com> <50A311E4.1090106@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <26310EF5-48C6-4B49-BAF8-58980EF9E506@mac.com> Jac, No, on iOS the single line input control is just that a 'single' line and even in xCode you can not get it to wrap. So you have to use a multiline control and as you have found out the multiline control is definitely a different beast altogether. They are not at all what we are used to. Me thinks we might be spoiled a bit by RR's fields. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:37 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > On 11/13/12 6:07 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >>> Also, is there a way to know if the user has typed the "hide keyboard" >>> key to dismiss it? I want to treat that as a cancel. >>> >> >> I still don't know about this one though. >> > > Also, I want a native iOS input control that allows no carriage returns but that wraps long lines. That's why I wanted a "Done" button -- but even after I got it to say Done, it still types a return if the input control is multiline. Trapping inputReturnKey doesn't seem to work, it isn't sent for a multiline control. > > Is it possible to create a one-line control that wraps? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 14 14:39:31 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:39:31 -0600 Subject: iOS keyboard In-Reply-To: <26310EF5-48C6-4B49-BAF8-58980EF9E506@mac.com> References: <50A2DF6B.7090906@hyperactivesw.com> <50A2E0AE.6080808@hyperactivesw.com> <50A311E4.1090106@hyperactivesw.com> <26310EF5-48C6-4B49-BAF8-58980EF9E506@mac.com> Message-ID: <50A3F373.5030403@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/14/12 8:07 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Jac, > > No, on iOS the single line input control is just that a 'single' line > and even in xCode you can not get it to wrap. So you have to use a > multiline control and as you have found out the multiline control is > definitely a different beast altogether. They are not at all what we > are used to. Thanks, I was afraid of that. It seems that the inputReturnKey doesn't fire in a multiline either. And besides that, I can only get one-line inputs to display as transparent and multiline to display as opaque. Setting the opaque in either case does nothing. The docs indicate that opacity can be controlled, but nothing I've tried does it. I fiddled with the alpha setting too but that doesn't seem to work either (tried both 0 and 255 because I can never remember which way the scale goes.) What I really want to avoid is setting up and maintaining a "Done" and "Cancel" button in a fake toolbar in a group that's a simulated window, and all that other jazz that has to be created in both retina and normal sizes, and writing all the resizing code, etc. I just need a simple field overlay where a user can jot down a note. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From guglielmo at braguglia.ch Wed Nov 14 15:08:43 2012 From: guglielmo at braguglia.ch (Guglielmo Braguglia) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:08:43 +0100 Subject: iOS keyboard In-Reply-To: <50A3F373.5030403@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50A2DF6B.7090906@hyperactivesw.com> <50A2E0AE.6080808@hyperactivesw.com> <50A311E4.1090106@hyperactivesw.com> <26310EF5-48C6-4B49-BAF8-58980EF9E506@mac.com> <50A3F373.5030403@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50A3FA4B.10109@braguglia.ch> Hi Jaque, I don't know if is the best solution, but actually, what I do to test the character inside the iOS/Android native fields (both single and multiline), is using the message "inputTextChanged" which is fired each character the user type ... So ... put mobileControlTarget() into tTarget // to know which field is changed put mobileControlGet(tTarget, "text") into tText // to get ALL the text entered ... next you can play with the text (e.g. search if the last char is cr) and you can set back the text into the native field with : mobileControlSet tTarget, "text", tText Hope this help ... Guglielmo On 14.11.2012 20:39, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/14/12 8:07 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >> Jac, >> >> No, on iOS the single line input control is just that a 'single' line >> and even in xCode you can not get it to wrap. So you have to use a >> multiline control and as you have found out the multiline control is >> definitely a different beast altogether. They are not at all what we >> are used to. > > Thanks, I was afraid of that. It seems that the inputReturnKey doesn't > fire in a multiline either. And besides that, I can only get one-line > inputs to display as transparent and multiline to display as opaque. > Setting the opaque in either case does nothing. > > The docs indicate that opacity can be controlled, but nothing I've > tried does it. I fiddled with the alpha setting too but that doesn't > seem to work either (tried both 0 and 255 because I can never remember > which way the scale goes.) > > What I really want to avoid is setting up and maintaining a "Done" and > "Cancel" button in a fake toolbar in a group that's a simulated > window, and all that other jazz that has to be created in both retina > and normal sizes, and writing all the resizing code, etc. I just need > a simple field overlay where a user can jot down a note. > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 14 16:56:18 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:56:18 -0600 Subject: iOS keyboard In-Reply-To: <50A3FA4B.10109@braguglia.ch> References: <50A2DF6B.7090906@hyperactivesw.com> <50A2E0AE.6080808@hyperactivesw.com> <50A311E4.1090106@hyperactivesw.com> <26310EF5-48C6-4B49-BAF8-58980EF9E506@mac.com> <50A3F373.5030403@hyperactivesw.com> <50A3FA4B.10109@braguglia.ch> Message-ID: <50A41382.5080101@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/14/12 2:08 PM, Guglielmo Braguglia wrote: > Hi Jaque, > I don't know if is the best solution, but actually, what I do to test > the character inside the iOS/Android native fields (both single and > multiline), is using the message "inputTextChanged" which is fired each > character the user type ... > > So ... > > put mobileControlTarget() into tTarget // to know which field is changed > put mobileControlGet(tTarget, "text") into tText // to get ALL the text > entered > > ... next you can play with the text (e.g. search if the last char is cr) > and you can set back the text into the native field with : > > mobileControlSet tTarget, "text", tText > > Hope this help ... Thanks. I guess I'll have to do it that way. It seems like overkill but I can't find any other way. Are you able to make a multiline input control transparent? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From slylabs13 at me.com Wed Nov 14 17:08:35 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:08:35 -1000 Subject: Table DataGrid AddData Bug or documentation error? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78C87D10-AE5C-4351-8E7C-8B0A3BAAF42E@me.com> Couple of things. Did you refresh the datagrid after addData? Not sure if you need to, just throwing that out there. Also, did you make sure the addData array keys matched the column names (NOT the display names but the actual column names)? Bob On Nov 9, 2012, at 12:53 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi friends, > > I have a problem with one of my datagrids. > > 1. It is a TABLE with a custom column behavior. > 2. When I populate it with an ARRAY (set the DGDATA of ...), everything is fine. > 3. When I want to add data I use: > ... > dispatch "AddData" to grp "dg" with tArray > ... > to add the new data at the end. > > But nothing gets displayed? > > Debugging the custom behavior "on filliData tData" in that case showed me > that tData was empty when using "AddData" with an array. > > "Printkeys" finally showd me that the new data is added as an ARRAY? although the docs > let me think this should work with a TABLE datagrid: > ..................................................... > AddData > > - AddData pDataArray, pLine > - Use this command to add data to the data grid after you have already populated it by setting the dgData or > DGTEXT. > .......................................................... > DGTEXT lets me think it should work with a table, too! > So is this a bug or wrong documentation and I need to use "AddLine" with TAB delimited text? > > Thanks for any pointers! > > > Best > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Wed Nov 14 17:11:17 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:11:17 -1000 Subject: Table DataGrid AddData Bug or documentation error? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OIC, no addData works with the array that the datagrid works with, form or table. (correct me if I am wrong). It's irrelevant whether or not deText or dgData was used to populate it. Just make sure the keys of the array you are using to add the data matches the single record keys of the datagrid array. HTH, Bob On Nov 9, 2012, at 12:53 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > ..................................................... > AddData > > - AddData pDataArray, pLine > - Use this command to add data to the data grid after you have already populated it by setting the dgData or > DGTEXT. > .......................................................... > DGTEXT lets me think it should work with a table, too! > So is this a bug or wrong documentation and I need to use "AddLine" with TAB delimited text? > > Thanks for any pointers! > > > Best > > Klaus From guglielmo at braguglia.ch Wed Nov 14 17:25:53 2012 From: guglielmo at braguglia.ch (Guglielmo Braguglia) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:25:53 +0100 Subject: iOS keyboard In-Reply-To: <50A41382.5080101@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50A2DF6B.7090906@hyperactivesw.com> <50A2E0AE.6080808@hyperactivesw.com> <50A311E4.1090106@hyperactivesw.com> <26310EF5-48C6-4B49-BAF8-58980EF9E506@mac.com> <50A3F373.5030403@hyperactivesw.com> <50A3FA4B.10109@braguglia.ch> <50A41382.5080101@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50A41A71.8050001@braguglia.ch> Hi Jaque, don't worry, is quite quickly ... I use the message exactly to verify (and to remove) the CR that I don't wont in the text ;-) The Multiline Input control is an UITextView and, like all native controls, descend from UIView class so ... ... I suppose you can use the "backgroundColor" property and use the alpha value to make him transparent :-) Guglielmo On 14.11.2012 22:56, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/14/12 2:08 PM, Guglielmo Braguglia wrote: >> Hi Jaque, >> I don't know if is the best solution, but actually, what I do to test >> the character inside the iOS/Android native fields (both single and >> multiline), is using the message "inputTextChanged" which is fired each >> character the user type ... >> >> So ... >> >> put mobileControlTarget() into tTarget // to know which field is >> changed >> put mobileControlGet(tTarget, "text") into tText // to get ALL the text >> entered >> >> ... next you can play with the text (e.g. search if the last char is cr) >> and you can set back the text into the native field with : >> >> mobileControlSet tTarget, "text", tText >> >> Hope this help ... > > Thanks. I guess I'll have to do it that way. It seems like overkill > but I can't find any other way. > > Are you able to make a multiline input control transparent? > From guglielmo at braguglia.ch Wed Nov 14 17:29:19 2012 From: guglielmo at braguglia.ch (Guglielmo Braguglia) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:29:19 +0100 Subject: iOS keyboard In-Reply-To: <50A41382.5080101@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50A2DF6B.7090906@hyperactivesw.com> <50A2E0AE.6080808@hyperactivesw.com> <50A311E4.1090106@hyperactivesw.com> <26310EF5-48C6-4B49-BAF8-58980EF9E506@mac.com> <50A3F373.5030403@hyperactivesw.com> <50A3FA4B.10109@braguglia.ch> <50A41382.5080101@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50A41B3F.5090807@braguglia.ch> ... and Jaque, UIView have also two more properties : - opaque : Set to false if the control should be rendered with transparency. - alpha : Set to a value between 0 and 255 to blend the control with any controls underneath it. :-) Guglielmo On 14.11.2012 22:56, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/14/12 2:08 PM, Guglielmo Braguglia wrote: >> Hi Jaque, >> I don't know if is the best solution, but actually, what I do to test >> the character inside the iOS/Android native fields (both single and >> multiline), is using the message "inputTextChanged" which is fired each >> character the user type ... >> >> So ... >> >> put mobileControlTarget() into tTarget // to know which field is >> changed >> put mobileControlGet(tTarget, "text") into tText // to get ALL the text >> entered >> >> ... next you can play with the text (e.g. search if the last char is cr) >> and you can set back the text into the native field with : >> >> mobileControlSet tTarget, "text", tText >> >> Hope this help ... > > Thanks. I guess I'll have to do it that way. It seems like overkill > but I can't find any other way. > > Are you able to make a multiline input control transparent? > From brahma at hindu.org Wed Nov 14 17:32:29 2012 From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:32:29 -1000 Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser Released In-Reply-To: <1352662067216-4657149.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1352662067216-4657149.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <50A41BFD.6040602@hindu.org> I'm getting an error from the trial "invalid demo date" is the 4W_props.rev essential? I already have that... and old 2010 version. Om Shanti Brahmanathaswami Kauai Aadheenam On 11/11/12 9:27 AM, tbodine wrote: > After playing with the trial and reading the docs, I'm sold. Looks like a > great time-saver! > -- Tom Bodine > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Version-1-1-1-of-lcStackBrowser-Released-tp4657119p4657149.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Wed Nov 14 17:52:12 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:52:12 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser Released In-Reply-To: <50A41BFD.6040602@hindu.org> References: <1352662067216-4657149.post@n4.nabble.com> <50A41BFD.6040602@hindu.org> Message-ID: Hi, The version of 4W_Props that comes with lcStackbrowser supports the integration between the two products. You only need to install that version if you want or need that integration, otherwise stick with the version you already have. As for the "invalid demo date" problem, it sounds like the preferences file got messed up somehow. The next release will have an option to recreate the prefs file but for now, you will need to do the following. 1. Make sure lcStackBrowser is not running. 2. In the message box, enter the following, depending on your platform: Mac: delete folder specialFolderPath("Home") & "/Application Support/lcSQL/lcStackBrowser" Windows delete folder specialFolderPath(26) & "/lcSQL/lcStackBrowser" Linux: delete folder "specialFolderPath("Home") & "/lcSQL/lcStackBrowser" 3. Run lcStackBrowser. It will recreate all the necessary folders/files and return to a 30-day demo state. Pete lcSQL Software On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Brahmanathaswami wrote: > I'm getting an error from the trial "invalid demo date" > > is the 4W_props.rev essential? > > I already have that... and old 2010 version. > > > Om Shanti > > Brahmanathaswami > Kauai Aadheenam > > > On 11/11/12 9:27 AM, tbodine wrote: > >> After playing with the trial and reading the docs, I'm sold. Looks like a >> great time-saver! >> -- Tom Bodine >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.** >> 278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-**Version-1-1-1-of-**lcStackBrowser-Released-** >> tp4657119p4657149.html >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Nov 14 18:05:56 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:05:56 +1100 Subject: [ANN] Game Center crowd funding opportunity In-Reply-To: <3585C577-F420-4883-9F8B-B3AB8406E10B@sweattechnologies.com> References: <9E2B2169-9736-4775-8E83-24736D6CE0C0@sweattechnologies.com> <7B0E3D33-BFDF-4F72-9E20-1E9E09C27602@sweattechnologies.com> <1CB9C8E5-D88B-4C44-B50A-A422CB8C01CC@sweattechnologies.com> <26E76FFB-F235-455A-BA7F-704EA142F671@sweattechnologies.com> <87954210-2DB1-492D-BD04-B1EE45722DEC@sweattechnologies.com> <014401cdbea7$6bac9220$4305b660$@net> <69CB4B81-8AC0-4772-97A9-ECC6D19074C4@sweattechnologies.com> <3585C577-F420-4883-9F8B-B3AB8406E10B@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Hi It looks like turn based matches won't make the 1.0 release because there's been no response and I want to get something to those that have backed it ASAP. Could people interested in beta testing the demo via test flight please let me know and I'll be able to get you something by the end of the week. PS use a separate Game Center account for testing. Cheers Monte On 13/11/2012, at 5:52 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > I hope to be able to setup a test flight demo with the funders to help test the external either late this week or early next week. In addition to the peer to peer messaging, leaderboards and achievements one of the funders is very keen to have turn based matches implemented. It's a significant addition to my initial release plans so I'm looking for a bit more funding. One of the great things about match making is it's a sale opportunity for your game when a friend asks a user to play and they don't have the game. Anyway, I'm prepared to put in a some extra hours if the LC community can come up with a little bit more funding. Probably $250 or so would satisfy me I'm not just implementing it for one person and a few others want it. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From klaus at major.on-rev.com Wed Nov 14 18:26:44 2012 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:26:44 +0100 Subject: Table DataGrid AddData Bug or documentation error? In-Reply-To: <78C87D10-AE5C-4351-8E7C-8B0A3BAAF42E@me.com> References: <78C87D10-AE5C-4351-8E7C-8B0A3BAAF42E@me.com> Message-ID: <3341DDB5-6686-4BD0-8811-3EC77EEB6610@major.on-rev.com> Hi Bob, you are a bit late for the party, but welcome :-) Am 14.11.2012 um 23:08 schrieb Robert Sneidar : > Couple of things. Did you refresh the datagrid after addData? > Not sure if you need to, just throwing that out there. > Also, did you make sure the addData array keys matched the column names > (NOT the display names but the actual column names)? The problem was an unclear documentation in the end! I supplied a multi dimensional array to the "AddData" command, but this will only accept a one dimesnional array as parameter, so in the end you can only add 1 (ONE) record to a datagrid via "AddData". "AddLine" will in fact accept a mulitlie TAB delimited text and thus add more than 1 record to a datagrid this way, although not by intention but rather by accident! Neil from support wrote: ... I have spoken to the Datagrid developer and it would seem that AddData and AddLine are only intended to work with a single line.The fact that AddLine works with multiple lines is because the internal handler that gets called is used elsewhere and supports multiple lines. ... They will change the documantation to make these fact clear! And I also filed a feature request to be able to also add more than one record to a datagrid via "AddData": > Bob Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 14 19:01:07 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:01:07 -0600 Subject: iOS keyboard In-Reply-To: <50A41B3F.5090807@braguglia.ch> References: <50A2DF6B.7090906@hyperactivesw.com> <50A2E0AE.6080808@hyperactivesw.com> <50A311E4.1090106@hyperactivesw.com> <26310EF5-48C6-4B49-BAF8-58980EF9E506@mac.com> <50A3F373.5030403@hyperactivesw.com> <50A3FA4B.10109@braguglia.ch> <50A41382.5080101@hyperactivesw.com> <50A41B3F.5090807@braguglia.ch> Message-ID: <50A430C3.1070104@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/14/12 4:29 PM, Guglielmo Braguglia wrote: > ... and Jaque, UIView have also two more properties : > > - opaque : Set to false if the control should be rendered with > transparency. > - alpha : Set to a value between 0 and 255 to blend the control with > any controls underneath it. I have tried both of those several times and neither work. Multiline is always opaque, single line inputs are always transparent. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 14 19:06:23 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:06:23 -0600 Subject: iOS keyboard In-Reply-To: <50A41B3F.5090807@braguglia.ch> References: <50A2DF6B.7090906@hyperactivesw.com> <50A2E0AE.6080808@hyperactivesw.com> <50A311E4.1090106@hyperactivesw.com> <26310EF5-48C6-4B49-BAF8-58980EF9E506@mac.com> <50A3F373.5030403@hyperactivesw.com> <50A3FA4B.10109@braguglia.ch> <50A41382.5080101@hyperactivesw.com> <50A41B3F.5090807@braguglia.ch> Message-ID: <50A431FF.2060305@hyperactivesw.com> One more thing. Is it possible to get an input control to gain focus and display the iOS keyboard so it is ready to type into? If it matters, there is no associated LiveCode field. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 19:10:59 2012 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:10:59 +0800 Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon Message-ID: Richard penned the below quite some time ago, but it's still clear as mud to me. I just got an email offering me: Our offer to you*: Get any update to your LiveCode license today, and we'll give you: Access to the LiveCode Developer Program All developer preview releases of 6.0 And all updates for the next year for your updated platform/s. So what constitutes "any update", "all updates" and "updated platform/s" When I go to: http://www.runrev.com/store/ I see that all the PAYG options have "Updates included", whilst the Perpetuals do not - except Complete. This seems to suggest that 'updates' means from one major release to another,i.e. 5.0 to 5.5? Under the Gold column it says I can "Buy Upgrades", and if I click on it it offers me 'LiveCode Commercial' which isn't a package offered any more but happens to be the one I already own. This is reinforced when I log in to my account, there is a tab next to my 'Personal Licence' offering to Upgrade to 'Commercial' and for my 'Commercial Licence' a tab to 'Upgrade to Complete'. This seems to suggest that 'upgrade' means from one package to another. Also in my Account there are a bunch of 'Addons'. I can 'Buy addon' for 'Mobile Deployment: Android' understandably because I've never purchased it, but for reasons I don't understand there is ONLY one 'Update Addon' which is for 'Desktop Deployment Linux' even though I've never owned that either. So if I want to check out LC 6.0, is my only option to 'Update Addon' Linux, in which case it's completely pointless as I don't have a Linux box to develop on. What is it that I UPDATE (that is not an Upgrade or Addon) that will allow me to preview 6.0 on my Mac? I was expecting a button next to 'Desktop Deployment: Mac + Windows' which said "Update 6.0 Preview", but alas, nothing so simple. Any pointers? On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Richmond wrote: > > 3. How many of them feel that a Linux version of Livecode at the same >> sort of pricing as the versions for Mac and Win is financially worth it. >> > > I finally took a moment to look at the new store pricing grid. Now I see > why folks are concerned. > > It's even worse than you describe, though what you describe is already > taken care of: > > It doesn't seem that it's possible to buy a license for ANY single desktop > platform. > > Linux hasn't been singled out: I don't see an option to buy for Mac or > Windows either. > > Even more confusing, the only single-platform licenses I can find are for > iOS and Android, but neither of those are development platforms so it's > unclear what you're getting with that. > > I could write several pages about the ROI of developing for the desktop vs > mobile, but fortunately for the readers here I have work to do. > > The key point is that the two aren't mutually exclusive. One should be > able to use LiveCode to develop for desktop, or mobile, or both, if they > choose. "Shut up and take my money!" > > Indeed, not offering a desktop-only option for any platform is so silly > that I have to assume it's an error that will be corrected before the day's > out. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web > ______________________________**______________________________**________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From dan at clearvisiontech.com Wed Nov 14 19:13:34 2012 From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:13:34 -0800 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B4D8DED-2610-44FF-8ECA-0851439F9E7C@clearvisiontech.com> Is it possible to send a push message to users of an app that are within a given location? For example, I want to send a push message to all users of my app that are within a 1/2 mile radius of a given latitude and longitude. -Dan From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 14 19:23:34 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:23:34 -0600 Subject: iOS keyboard In-Reply-To: <50A41A71.8050001@braguglia.ch> References: <50A2DF6B.7090906@hyperactivesw.com> <50A2E0AE.6080808@hyperactivesw.com> <50A311E4.1090106@hyperactivesw.com> <26310EF5-48C6-4B49-BAF8-58980EF9E506@mac.com> <50A3F373.5030403@hyperactivesw.com> <50A3FA4B.10109@braguglia.ch> <50A41382.5080101@hyperactivesw.com> <50A41A71.8050001@braguglia.ch> Message-ID: <50A43606.5030304@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/14/12 4:25 PM, Guglielmo Braguglia wrote: > The Multiline Input control is an UITextView and, like all native > controls, descend from UIView class so ... > ... I suppose you can use the "backgroundColor" property and use the > alpha value to make him transparent :-) Ha! This works. :) mobileControlSet "usernote","backgroundcolor","255,255,255,0" Thank you very much, Guglielmo. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From calhorner at xtra.co.nz Thu Nov 15 01:37:54 2012 From: calhorner at xtra.co.nz (Cal Horner) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:37:54 +1300 (New Zealand Daylight Time) Subject: What's Happened to the Script Editor? Message-ID: <50A48DC2.000005.01680@CALS_BIG_PC> Maybe it's just me, maybe I've missed some notification on this forum. But: While changing some code today I noticed that the apply, and step buttons as well as other objects were missing from the script editor. Maybe some preference has been reset? Anyway, I'd like to know if it's just me or have they once again changed the editor so we have to learn a new way of doing things. By the way I'm using LC 5.5.3. In a Windows 7 environment. Any thoughts? Cal From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Nov 15 02:29:31 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:29:31 -0800 Subject: What's Happened to the Script Editor? In-Reply-To: <50A48DC2.000005.01680@CALS_BIG_PC> References: <50A48DC2.000005.01680@CALS_BIG_PC> Message-ID: <3711597968.20121114232931@ahsoftware.net> Cal- Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 10:37:54 PM, you wrote: > Any thoughts? Yep. Upper-right corner, there's a downward-facing triangle in a circle. Click it. It's a useless button that disrupts your workflow and somehow you must have accidentally clicked it. I'm sure someone thought it was a good idea at the time. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From th.douez at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 04:16:52 2012 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:16:52 +0100 Subject: My LiveCode IDE is sick Message-ID: Hi, For the record, today on the forum I got the explanation of this Bug ! http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/167374/match=daz3d Now, everyhing works much better :) HTH Thierry ----------------------------------------------- Any ideas what I could to make my livecode IDE works better ? I have few weird behaviors: - can't execute any commands in the message box - when I right click on any object to edit the script, first time, I have the watch forever, I do a second time the right click, then the script editor starts but fills all the screen :( When the script editor is already open, it works fine. - The arrowKey messages are not send most of the time ! From alex at tweedly.net Thu Nov 15 04:52:36 2012 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:52:36 +0000 Subject: What happened to my message box ? Message-ID: <50A4BB64.3050105@tweedly.net> When I open the msg box, and then click on "multi-line", I used to get a window with 2 panes - top one to enter a script - lower one with its output. But now it gives me only a single pane (the output one) - there's nowhere to enter the script. What have I done ? :-) And more importantly, how can I undo it ? Thanks -- Alex. From alex at tweedly.net Thu Nov 15 05:27:35 2012 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:27:35 +0000 Subject: What's Happened to the Script Editor? In-Reply-To: <3711597968.20121114232931@ahsoftware.net> References: <50A48DC2.000005.01680@CALS_BIG_PC> <3711597968.20121114232931@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <50A4C396.7090301@tweedly.net> I have to disagree; it's a very useful button - it takes away a few buttons (undo,redo,apply ...) which all have easy keyboard shortcuts (I always use the shortcuts rather than the buttons), so it gives you another line or two visible in the script editor itself at negligible cost. If there was a way to add other buttons to the toolbar, it might be worth keeping it visible all the time. -- Alex. On 15/11/2012 07:29, Mark Wieder wrote: > Cal- > > Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 10:37:54 PM, you wrote: > >> Any thoughts? > Yep. Upper-right corner, there's a downward-facing triangle in a > circle. Click it. It's a useless button that disrupts your workflow > and somehow you must have accidentally clicked it. I'm sure someone > thought it was a good idea at the time. > From bonnmike at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 08:45:42 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:45:42 -0700 Subject: What happened to my message box ? In-Reply-To: <50A4BB64.3050105@tweedly.net> References: <50A4BB64.3050105@tweedly.net> Message-ID: Same thing happened to me (random hiccup) I just increased the window size a little till the divider showed. However now on 5.5.3 it seems that every time I switch to the multiline pane the divider defaults to the bottom where it is barely otu of view and I have to do it again. Kinda a pain in the tookus. On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:52 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > > When I open the msg box, and then click on "multi-line", I used to get a > window with 2 panes > - top one to enter a script > - lower one with its output. > > But now it gives me only a single pane (the output one) - there's nowhere > to enter the script. > > What have I done ? :-) > And more importantly, how can I undo it ? > > Thanks > -- Alex. > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From bonnmike at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 08:47:26 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:47:26 -0700 Subject: What happened to my message box ? In-Reply-To: References: <50A4BB64.3050105@tweedly.net> Message-ID: Actually its every time I restart lc it resets to slightly out of view. *sigh* Either way still an annoyance. On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: > Same thing happened to me (random hiccup) I just increased the window size > a little till the divider showed. However now on 5.5.3 it seems that every > time I switch to the multiline pane the divider defaults to the bottom > where it is barely otu of view and I have to do it again. Kinda a pain > in the tookus. > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:52 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > >> >> When I open the msg box, and then click on "multi-line", I used to get a >> window with 2 panes >> - top one to enter a script >> - lower one with its output. >> >> But now it gives me only a single pane (the output one) - there's nowhere >> to enter the script. >> >> What have I done ? :-) >> And more importantly, how can I undo it ? >> >> Thanks >> -- Alex. >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Nov 15 11:03:52 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:03:52 -0800 Subject: What's Happened to the Script Editor? In-Reply-To: <50A4C396.7090301@tweedly.net> References: <50A48DC2.000005.01680@CALS_BIG_PC> <3711597968.20121114232931@ahsoftware.net> <50A4C396.7090301@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <442459484.20121115080352@ahsoftware.net> Alex- Thursday, November 15, 2012, 2:27:35 AM, you wrote: > I have to disagree; it's a very useful button - it takes away a few > buttons (undo,redo,apply ...) which all have easy keyboard shortcuts (I > always use the shortcuts rather than the buttons), so it gives you > another line or two visible in the script editor itself at negligible cost. OK. I guess I stand corrected. Thanks, although I have to say this is the first nice thing I've heard anyone say about that feature. Usually it's just user panic when the controls disappear. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mikekann at yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 13:02:13 2012 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:02:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: <3B4D8DED-2610-44FF-8ECA-0851439F9E7C@clearvisiontech.com> Message-ID: <1353002533.84152.YahooMailClassic@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Dan, Where is the app, on mobile or the desktop? Mike --- On Wed, 11/14/12, Dan Friedman wrote: From: Dan Friedman Subject: Location-Based Push Message? To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 6:13 PM Is it possible to send a push message to users of an app that are within a given location?? For example, I want to send a push message to all users of my app that are within a 1/2 mile radius of a given latitude and longitude. -Dan _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mikekann at yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 13:52:51 2012 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:52:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1353005571.6008.YahooMailClassic@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Kay and others, Would anyone like to share what they have found to be new and improved? in Livecode 6.0.-dp-1 ? I'm also somewhat confused about the array of wonderful products for purchase so if someone wants to provide the For Dummies version that would be great. Mike I --- On Wed, 11/14/12, Kay C Lan wrote: From: Kay C Lan Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon To: "How to use LiveCode" Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 6:10 PM Richard penned the below quite some time ago, but it's still clear as mud to me. I just got an email offering me: Our offer to you*: Get any update to your LiveCode license today, and we'll give you: ? ? Access to the LiveCode Developer Program ? ? All developer preview releases of 6.0 ? ? And all updates for the next year for your updated platform/s. So what constitutes "any update", "all updates" and "updated platform/s" When I go to: http://www.runrev.com/store/ I see that all the PAYG options have "Updates included", whilst the Perpetuals do not - except Complete. This seems to suggest that 'updates' means from one major release to another,i.e. 5.0 to 5.5? Under the Gold column it says I can "Buy Upgrades", and if I click on it it offers me 'LiveCode Commercial' which isn't a package offered any more but happens to be the one I already own. This is reinforced when I log in to my account, there is a tab next to my 'Personal Licence' offering to Upgrade to 'Commercial' and for my 'Commercial Licence' a tab to 'Upgrade to Complete'. This seems to suggest that 'upgrade' means from one package to another. Also in my Account there are a bunch of 'Addons'. I can 'Buy addon' for 'Mobile Deployment: Android' understandably because I've never purchased it, but for reasons I don't understand there is ONLY one? 'Update Addon' which is for 'Desktop Deployment Linux' even though I've never owned that either. So if I want to check out LC 6.0, is my only option to 'Update Addon' Linux, in which case it's completely pointless as I don't have a Linux box to develop on. What is it that I UPDATE (that is not an Upgrade or Addon) that will allow me to preview 6.0 on my Mac? I was expecting a button next to 'Desktop Deployment: Mac + Windows' which said "Update 6.0 Preview", but alas, nothing so simple. Any pointers? On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Richmond wrote: > >? 3. How many of them feel that a Linux version of Livecode at the same >> sort of pricing as the versions for Mac and Win is financially worth it. >> > > I finally took a moment to look at the new store pricing grid.? Now I see > why folks are concerned. > > It's even worse than you describe, though what you describe is already > taken care of: > > It doesn't seem that it's possible to buy a license for ANY single desktop > platform. > > Linux hasn't been singled out:? I don't see an option to buy for Mac or > Windows either. > > Even more confusing, the only single-platform licenses I can find are for > iOS and Android, but neither of those are development platforms so it's > unclear what you're getting with that. > > I could write several pages about the ROI of developing for the desktop vs > mobile, but fortunately for the readers here I have work to do. > > The key point is that the two aren't mutually exclusive.? One should be > able to use LiveCode to develop for desktop, or mobile, or both, if they > choose.? "Shut up and take my money!" > > Indeed, not offering a desktop-only option for any platform is so silly > that I have to assume it's an error that will be corrected before the day's > out. > > -- >? Richard Gaskin > >? Fourth World Systems >? Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web >? ______________________________**______________________________**________ >? Ambassador at FourthWorld.com? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? http://www.FourthWorld.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Nov 15 13:55:33 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:55:33 -0800 Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50A53AA5.1090104@fourthworld.com> I think the 6.0 "Preview" is only available to members of the Developer Program, but I'm not sure how that could be dependent on the Linux deployment option. Weirder still, I recently tried to point a friend to where they could buy just a license for Mac OS X, and neither of us was able to figure that out. I hope Heather doesn't mind, but I've cc'd her with this reply as I think there may be some benefit to clarifying a few things in the current storefront. While I appreciate that mobile is big right now, the product offers an even better experience on the desktop and those who want to use only that have a difficult time doing so. Like that character on The Simpsons says, "Shut up and take my money!" :) I trust it would take only a few small revisions to make it easier for folks to give their money to RunRev. At a minimum, making a desktop-only option readily available would seem helpful, while still providing the other options as they do now. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys Kay C Lan wrote: > I just got an email offering me: > > Our offer to you*: Get any update to your LiveCode license today, and > we'll give you: > > Access to the LiveCode Developer Program > All developer preview releases of 6.0 > And all updates for the next year for your updated platform/s. > > So what constitutes "any update", "all updates" and "updated > platform/s" > > When I go to: http://www.runrev.com/store/ > > I see that all the PAYG options have "Updates included", whilst the > Perpetuals do not - except Complete. > > This seems to suggest that 'updates' means from one major release to > another,i.e. 5.0 to 5.5? ... > So if I want to check out LC 6.0, is my only option to 'Update Addon' > Linux, in which case it's completely pointless as I don't have a > Linux box to develop on. > > What is it that I UPDATE (that is not an Upgrade or Addon) that will > allow me to preview 6.0 on my Mac? > > I was expecting a button next to 'Desktop Deployment: Mac + Windows' > which said "Update 6.0 Preview", but alas, nothing so simple. > > Any pointers? From slylabs13 at me.com Thu Nov 15 14:12:31 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:12:31 -1000 Subject: LiveCode Slides & Appstore Apps List In-Reply-To: <16F4FC38-F09F-43B0-9145-B4D4C4B918FF@all-auctions.com> References: <508F42B7-07AB-4A3E-A5FE-747BAF8F1B5D@mac.com> <509D3552.4060007@gmail.com> <16F4FC38-F09F-43B0-9145-B4D4C4B918FF@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick. Someone else may have mentioned it but this list is probably not the best place to ask. Did you try Heather at support at runrev.com? Let her know you are trying to market more licenses and I will bet you get help right away. Heather does not seem to monitor this list, at least not as it seems to me. Bob On Nov 9, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi there, > > This is my last appeal to this list for any of the following resources > as I'm giving my presentation on "Making Apps with LiveCode" > this next week for a lot of potential purchasers of LiveCode. > > 1. Any Marketing type slides which explain LiveCode. > (Others out there must have made presentations like > this before and surely there must be something. > Does Kevin have anything?) > > 2. A list of Apps on the iTunes store which have been made > with LiveCode. > > 3. Specs on the size of LiveCode's user base. > > 4. A list of user resources available, websites, this list, rev-online, etc. > > 5. Anything else you might suggest. > > Thank you in advance! > > Rick > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mikekann at yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 14:19:47 2012 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:19:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon In-Reply-To: <50A53AA5.1090104@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1353007187.30495.YahooMailClassic@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Richard, I was able to download 6.0.0 with my current Enterprise license. I always assumed that license made me a member of the Developer Program (but things have changed quite a bit since I last checked) . Anyway, I don't see any release notes anywhere so maybe they're not for public consumption yet. I don't want to go through the hassle of installing 6.0.0 unless there is something in it I might need. Thanks again, Mike --- On Thu, 11/15/12, Richard Gaskin wrote: From: Richard Gaskin Subject: Re: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 12:55 PM I think the 6.0 "Preview" is only available to members of the Developer Program, but I'm not sure how that could be dependent on the Linux deployment option. Weirder still, I recently tried to point a friend to where they could buy just a license for Mac OS X, and neither of us was able to figure that out. I hope Heather doesn't mind, but I've cc'd her with this reply as I think there may be some benefit to clarifying a few things in the current storefront. While I appreciate that mobile is big right now, the product offers an even better experience on the desktop and those who want to use only that have a difficult time doing so. Like that character on The Simpsons says, "Shut up and take my money!" :) I trust it would take only a few small revisions to make it easier for folks to give their money to RunRev.? At a minimum, making a desktop-only option readily available would seem helpful, while still providing the other options as they do now. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter:? http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys Kay C Lan wrote: > I just got an email offering me: > > Our offer to you*: Get any update to your LiveCode license today, and > we'll give you: > >? ? Access to the LiveCode Developer Program >? ? All developer preview releases of 6.0 >? ? And all updates for the next year for your updated platform/s. > > So what constitutes "any update", "all updates" and "updated > platform/s" > > When I go to: http://www.runrev.com/store/ > > I see that all the PAYG options have "Updates included", whilst the > Perpetuals do not - except Complete. > > This seems to suggest that 'updates' means from one major release to > another,i.e. 5.0 to 5.5? ... > So if I want to check out LC 6.0, is my only option to 'Update Addon' > Linux, in which case it's completely pointless as I don't have a > Linux box to develop on. > > What is it that I UPDATE (that is not an Upgrade or Addon) that will > allow me to preview 6.0 on my Mac? > > I was expecting a button next to 'Desktop Deployment: Mac + Windows' > which said "Update 6.0 Preview", but alas, nothing so simple. > > Any pointers? _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Thu Nov 15 14:38:50 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:38:50 -1000 Subject: [OT] Killer Anti-Virus App In-Reply-To: <1352775123.393.YahooMailClassic@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1352775123.393.YahooMailClassic@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: He likes bath salts. What a surprise. That was the first thing that I thought of when I first heard about this story. Bob On Nov 12, 2012, at 4:52 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/12/antivirus-software-developer-accused-of-murder-in-belize/ > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Nov 15 14:40:33 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 06:40:33 +1100 Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon In-Reply-To: <1353007187.30495.YahooMailClassic@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1353007187.30495.YahooMailClassic@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31D13B40-67FF-4A21-A74F-411767F99EA4@sweattechnologies.com> Mike if you have the developer program then ask about 6 on that list because nobody that has seen 6 is allowed to answer your questions on the use list. All we can really say is any dp 1 is going to be a very early release so unless your interested in what's next to offer feedback then it might not be worth installing it. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 16/11/2012, at 6:19 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > I don't want to go through the hassle of installing 6.0.0 unless there is something in it I might need. From mikekann at yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 14:44:34 2012 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:44:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon In-Reply-To: <31D13B40-67FF-4A21-A74F-411767F99EA4@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1353008674.24334.YahooMailClassic@web120505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Monte, Thanks, that was just the info I was looking for. Mike --- On Thu, 11/15/12, Monte Goulding wrote: From: Monte Goulding Subject: Re: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon To: "How to use LiveCode" Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 1:40 PM Mike if you have the developer program then ask about 6 on that list because nobody that has seen 6 is allowed to answer your questions on the use list. All we can really say is any dp 1 is going to be a very early release so unless your interested in what's next to offer feedback then it might not be worth installing it. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 16/11/2012, at 6:19 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > I don't want to go through the hassle of installing 6.0.0 unless there is something in it I might need. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From andrew at ctech.me Thu Nov 15 14:45:25 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:45:25 -0600 Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon In-Reply-To: <31D13B40-67FF-4A21-A74F-411767F99EA4@sweattechnologies.com> References: <1353007187.30495.YahooMailClassic@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <31D13B40-67FF-4A21-A74F-411767F99EA4@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: For some reason, I can't get accepted to the developers list (I think its because my supervisor did the purchasing for the developer program, and it's tied to his email). But I installed 6 dp1 and its very early indeed. But again, I don't think we are allowed to discuss that here. Although, if I am not mistaken, many people got the email about the upgrade offer discussed in this thread (probably if you haven't upgraded in a while). The contents of that email may be discussable. I am not sure. I don't think that was exclusively shared with people in the developer program. Andrew On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Mike if you have the developer program then ask about 6 on that list because nobody that has seen 6 is allowed to answer your questions on the use list. All we can really say is any dp 1 is going to be a very early release so unless your interested in what's next to offer feedback then it might not be worth installing it. > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 16/11/2012, at 6:19 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > >> I don't want to go through the hassle of installing 6.0.0 unless there is something in it I might need. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From slylabs13 at me.com Thu Nov 15 14:54:46 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:54:46 -1000 Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.1 of lcStackBrowser Released In-Reply-To: References: <167D5DEF-784E-43D6-A902-A2C232C5941C@mac.com> <509ED466.3000707@braguglia.ch> Message-ID: <5180D564-4B2E-4060-9ECB-0CEF185C737D@me.com> That is EXACTLY what a crazy person would say! On Nov 10, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote: > .... and officially I am not the only one, so I am NOT crazy... whew! > > SKIP From slylabs13 at me.com Thu Nov 15 14:59:21 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:59:21 -1000 Subject: Table DataGrid AddData Bug or documentation error? In-Reply-To: <3341DDB5-6686-4BD0-8811-3EC77EEB6610@major.on-rev.com> References: <78C87D10-AE5C-4351-8E7C-8B0A3BAAF42E@me.com> <3341DDB5-6686-4BD0-8811-3EC77EEB6610@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <32E3C2A2-750E-4836-BDB4-5F1EEFAC5436@me.com> Yeah comes from my using my laptop which has a rule that moves this list emails to a special folder, and my iPad to read emails. Once I open my laptop all the current emails get moved, and I don't see them on the iPad, but I haven't read the original posts yet! Gotta stop doing that! Bob On Nov 14, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Bob, > > you are a bit late for the party, but welcome :-) From slylabs13 at me.com Thu Nov 15 15:03:52 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:03:52 -1000 Subject: What happened to my message box ? In-Reply-To: References: <50A4BB64.3050105@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <41561D41-7460-4953-BCA9-CAE0259AD0CF@me.com> Ditto here. Very annoying. Not related to plugins as I have removed plugins on several occasions to test other issues, and the problem persists. I think it's a preferences bug. Bob On Nov 15, 2012, at 3:47 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: > Actually its every time I restart lc it resets to slightly out of view. > *sigh* Either way still an annoyance. > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: > >> Same thing happened to me (random hiccup) I just increased the window size >> a little till the divider showed. However now on 5.5.3 it seems that every >> time I switch to the multiline pane the divider defaults to the bottom >> where it is barely otu of view and I have to do it again. Kinda a pain >> in the tookus. >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:52 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: >> >>> >>> When I open the msg box, and then click on "multi-line", I used to get a >>> window with 2 panes >>> - top one to enter a script >>> - lower one with its output. >>> >>> But now it gives me only a single pane (the output one) - there's nowhere >>> to enter the script. >>> >>> What have I done ? :-) >>> And more importantly, how can I undo it ? >>> >>> Thanks >>> -- Alex. >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Thu Nov 15 15:07:29 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:07:29 -1000 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: <3B4D8DED-2610-44FF-8ECA-0851439F9E7C@clearvisiontech.com> References: <3B4D8DED-2610-44FF-8ECA-0851439F9E7C@clearvisiontech.com> Message-ID: What is the difficulty? Sending the push message or calculating proximity? On Nov 14, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Dan Friedman wrote: > Is it possible to send a push message to users of an app that are within a given location? For example, I want to send a push message to all users of my app that are within a 1/2 mile radius of a given latitude and longitude. > > -Dan > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Thu Nov 15 15:11:50 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:11:50 -0800 Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon In-Reply-To: <31D13B40-67FF-4A21-A74F-411767F99EA4@sweattechnologies.com> References: <1353007187.30495.YahooMailClassic@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <31D13B40-67FF-4A21-A74F-411767F99EA4@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: OK, so I think I need to understand the rules of the developer list a bit better. It sounds like members of the Developer list are under an NDA regarding any communications from RunRev on there - is that correct? I can understand that but in 6.0 is apparently available for download to anyone so how does that play with the NDA? Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Monte Goulding < monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote: > Mike if you have the developer program then ask about 6 on that list > because nobody that has seen 6 is allowed to answer your questions on the > use list. All we can really say is any dp 1 is going to be a very early > release so unless your interested in what's next to offer feedback then it > might not be worth installing it. > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 16/11/2012, at 6:19 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > > > I don't want to go through the hassle of installing 6.0.0 unless there > is something in it I might need. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Nov 15 15:20:19 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:20:19 +1100 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: References: <3B4D8DED-2610-44FF-8ECA-0851439F9E7C@clearvisiontech.com> Message-ID: > Is it possible to send a push message to users of an app that are within a given location? For example, I want to send a push message to all users of my app that are within a 1/2 mile radius of a given latitude and longitude. I think it would be. First step is to remove the exits on suspend plist entry and add UIBackgroundModes location. Then check the location every so often and send a local notification when in the right area. There are better/lower battery power solutions if you don't need a high level of accuracy but this is the only way without an external to add some more core location features. For example with an external you could define a location and radius and have your app woken in the background to do something when the user went in or out which I think would do exactly what you need if you send a local notification when woken... Cheers Monte From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Nov 15 15:23:10 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:23:10 +1100 Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon In-Reply-To: References: <1353007187.30495.YahooMailClassic@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <31D13B40-67FF-4A21-A74F-411767F99EA4@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <9C6CBAA9-FA17-40CF-9628-AC3E43ED160E@sweattechnologies.com> Lol... Who knows. Better to keep quiet until release or told otherwise. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 16/11/2012, at 7:11 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > I can understand that but in 6.0 is apparently available for download to > anyone so how does that play with the NDA? From bogdanoff at me.com Thu Nov 15 15:27:33 2012 From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:27:33 -0800 Subject: Reuse an image In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Simple task: I want to reuse an image that was imported as a control into a substack. I know I can copy and paste, but I want to now replace many externally referenced images with their internal equivalents that I just imported. In other words, substitute the external with internal while keeping the old locs, scripts, etc., in place. Can this be done? Thanks! Peter Bogdanoff From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com Thu Nov 15 15:36:26 2012 From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:36:26 -0800 Subject: Reuse an image In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22486C7C-64F0-4387-86A7-1F8C039D8DEE@doctorTimothyMiller.com> I've been wondering about a similar question (assuming I understand this question) Once I import an image into one card, can I reference that image and display it on another card? For instance, if I want to display an index of thumbnail imported images from other cards. Hmm... I just re-read the other question. Mine might be completely different... Thanks in advance. Tim On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > Hi, > > Simple task: I want to reuse an image that was imported as a control into a substack. > > I know I can copy and paste, but I want to now replace many externally referenced images with their internal equivalents that I just imported. In other words, substitute the external with internal while keeping the old locs, scripts, etc., in place. > > Can this be done? > > Thanks! > > Peter Bogdanoff > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Nov 15 15:38:08 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:38:08 +0100 Subject: Reuse an image In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4581A367-BF0F-44DB-9FA5-FEB99BECE623@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Peeter, Set the icon of a transparent button to the (short) id of the image. -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com Download Color Converter at http://www.color-converter.com Op 15-nov-2012, om 21:27 heeft Peter Bogdanoff het volgende geschreven: > Hi, > > Simple task: I want to reuse an image that was imported as a > control into a substack. > > I know I can copy and paste, but I want to now replace many > externally referenced images with their internal equivalents that I > just imported. In other words, substitute the external with > internal while keeping the old locs, scripts, etc., in place. > > Can this be done? > > Thanks! > > Peter Bogdanoff From pete at lcsql.com Thu Nov 15 15:53:23 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:53:23 -0800 Subject: My LiveCode IDE is sick In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thierry, Sorry I missed this in your email. Yes there is a problem with the arrow key navigation. They only work when you have the browse tool selected. In fact it's worse than that because if you select a control in lcStackBrowser and it is on an open card, the control is selected in the IDE. Then you will be in edit mode and pressing the arrow keys will move the control - not good! I am changing the keys that do this navigation in the next release. Page Up will go to the previous object of the same type; Page Down will go to the next object of the same type; Home will go to the object's owner. Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Thierry Douez wrote: > - The arrowKey messages are not send most of the time ! > From bogdanoff at me.com Thu Nov 15 15:54:25 2012 From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:54:25 -0800 Subject: Reuse an image In-Reply-To: <4581A367-BF0F-44DB-9FA5-FEB99BECE623@economy-x-talk.com> References: <4581A367-BF0F-44DB-9FA5-FEB99BECE623@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <79DEECB7-C0A6-4D5C-B182-125C72D05058@me.com> Thanks, Mark. That works for buttons, however can I do it for images? On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Peeter, > > Set the icon of a transparent button to the (short) id of the image. > > -- > > Economy-x-Talk > Consultancy and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > > Download Color Converter at http://www.color-converter.com > > Op 15-nov-2012, om 21:27 heeft Peter Bogdanoff het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi, >> >> Simple task: I want to reuse an image that was imported as a control into a substack. >> >> I know I can copy and paste, but I want to now replace many externally referenced images with their internal equivalents that I just imported. In other words, substitute the external with internal while keeping the old locs, scripts, etc., in place. >> >> Can this be done? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Peter Bogdanoff > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Nov 15 16:34:54 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:34:54 +0100 Subject: Reuse an image In-Reply-To: <79DEECB7-C0A6-4D5C-B182-125C72D05058@me.com> References: <4581A367-BF0F-44DB-9FA5-FEB99BECE623@economy-x-talk.com> <79DEECB7-C0A6-4D5C-B182-125C72D05058@me.com> Message-ID: <6F1F997A-0BFF-482B-A766-272BB3EC9E28@economy-x-talk.com> This is how you reuse images, Peter. You use them as icons in buttons. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 15 nov 2012, at 21:54, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > Thanks, Mark. > > That works for buttons, however can I do it for images? > From Dan at clearvisiontech.com Thu Nov 15 17:17:12 2012 From: Dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:17:12 -0800 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? Message-ID: <9503478A-049C-44D8-8048-D3720FEC81C8@clearvisiontech.com> This is a Mobile app. I have a client (a baseball team) that want's to send a push message to all the fans (that have installed the mobile app) that are at the game at that moment. They don't want the user to have to launch the app, or do any type of "login" or tapping "I'm Here". So, I need to either (A) figure out which users (UDIDs) are at the given location, and send only those people the push, or (B) send everyone the push and have the mobile device disregard the push if the device is not at the location. B seems like the more logical choice. But, is it possible to process a push BEFORE the OS display's it? Any thoughts on how to accomplish this? -Dan > Dan, > Where is the app, on mobile or the desktop? > Mike >> Is it possible to send a push message to users of an app that are within a given location? For example, I want to send a push message to all users of my app that are within a 1/2 mile radius of a given latitude and longitude. >> >> -Dan From charles at buchwald.ca Thu Nov 15 17:47:14 2012 From: charles at buchwald.ca (Charles E Buchwald) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:47:14 -0600 Subject: [ANN] lcMover plugin released; lcResTool updated In-Reply-To: <5011525E.10605@fourthworld.com> References: <5011525E.10605@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <9D7F62CC-BFC5-4FA0-9DBE-598DD09B015A@buchwald.ca> I've released a free, tiny little plugin I'm calling lcMover. It's sole task is to move your topmost window around, shoving it into the corners, or the middle edges, or the centre of your screen. It tries to avoid putting your window under the Mac menubar or the tool palette. It's handy when you are resizing windows via script, or using my lcResTool plugin. I've also updated my free lcResTool plugin for resizing windows and keeping track of device sizes, resolutions and pixel densities. I've added the iPhone 5 and iPad Mini, and made a few minor interface changes and bug fixes. The palette is smaller, it operates on the top most window automatically now, and I've moved the window moving functions into the separate lcMover plugin. You can get both here: http://buchwald.ca/developer-tools/ In case you haven't heard of the lcResTool plugin before: > As a developer, there are quite a lot of screen sizes to consider. Even if you?re only on one platform it can take time to keep track of them all, and to view your software or app at those different resolutions and sizes. ResTool helps make that easier. > Put it in your LiveCode plugins folder, and it can: > ? Tell you the current window size of your stack, or the rect, or the working screenRect > ? Quickly resize your stack to any one of 15 common mobile sizes > ? Switch between landscape and portrait orientations > ? Automatically account for status bar height > ? Show a reference including most common screen resolutions, resolution standards, aspect ratios, screen densities, and some useful, related web links. I hope you find them useful! Feedback is most welcome. - Charles -- Charles E. Buchwald http://buchwald.ca Vancouver / Mexico City / NYC Member of the 02 Global Network for Sustainable Design ? Connect on LinkedIn ? Follow me on Twitter From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Nov 15 17:58:16 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:58:16 +1100 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: <9503478A-049C-44D8-8048-D3720FEC81C8@clearvisiontech.com> References: <9503478A-049C-44D8-8048-D3720FEC81C8@clearvisiontech.com> Message-ID: C read my response to this thread. Neither a or b will work. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 16/11/2012, at 9:17 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: > So, I need to either (A) figure out which users (UDIDs) are at the given location, and send only those people the push, or (B) send everyone the push and have the mobile device disregard the push if the device is not at the location. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Nov 15 17:59:13 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:59:13 -0600 Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon In-Reply-To: <9C6CBAA9-FA17-40CF-9628-AC3E43ED160E@sweattechnologies.com> References: <1353007187.30495.YahooMailClassic@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <31D13B40-67FF-4A21-A74F-411767F99EA4@sweattechnologies.com> <9C6CBAA9-FA17-40CF-9628-AC3E43ED160E@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <50A573C1.1080509@hyperactivesw.com> On 16/11/2012, at 7:11 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > I can understand that but in 6.0 is apparently available for download to > anyone so how does that play with the NDA? Everything on the dev list is under NDA. I'm pretty sure no pre-release versions are available outside that list. The one person who mentioned it also said he had an Enterprise license, which would allow access. Enterprise users are automatically part of the developer program. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From dan at clearvisiontech.com Thu Nov 15 18:05:05 2012 From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:05:05 -0800 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? Message-ID: Monte, So, your saying that in the confines of LC, it can't be done... not without the app running and polling the location every so often? -Dan > I think it would be. First step is to remove the exits on suspend plist entry and add UIBackgroundModes location. Then check the location every so often and send a local notification when in the right area. There are better/lower battery power solutions if you don't need a high level of accuracy but this is the only way without an external to add some more core location features. For example with an external you could define a location and radius and have your app woken in the background to do something when the user went in or out which I think would do exactly what you need if you send a local notification when woken... >> Is it possible to send a push message to users of an app that are within a given location? For example, I want to send a push message to all users of my app that are within a 1/2 mile radius of a given latitude and longitude. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Nov 15 18:10:46 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:10:46 +1100 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C58DCBA-899A-48B2-A127-23325D8DDD80@sweattechnologies.com> If I were limited to just what the engine provides then that's the way I'd do it. If I needed this function I would write the external though. The user just needs to run the app once and from then it will work. There's no other way on any platform because how else can you find the users loc or uuid or anything? -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 16/11/2012, at 10:05 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: > Monte, > > So, your saying that in the confines of LC, it can't be done... not without the app running and polling the location every so often? > > -Dan > > >> I think it would be. First step is to remove the exits on suspend plist entry and add UIBackgroundModes location. Then check the location every so often and send a local notification when in the right area. There are better/lower battery power solutions if you don't need a high level of accuracy but this is the only way without an external to add some more core location features. For example with an external you could define a location and radius and have your app woken in the background to do something when the user went in or out which I think would do exactly what you need if you send a local notification when woken... > >>> Is it possible to send a push message to users of an app that are within a given location? For example, I want to send a push message to all users of my app that are within a 1/2 mile radius of a given latitude and longitude. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dan at clearvisiontech.com Thu Nov 15 18:17:49 2012 From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:17:49 -0800 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? Message-ID: <09239493-9B39-4FEB-9F74-DE4541C3F832@clearvisiontech.com> Monte, Ok. Thanks for the info and insight. Could you write the external? Is it a big deal? I don't know how (and have never) done such a thing. -Dan > If I were limited to just what the engine provides then that's the way I'd do it. If I needed this function I would write the external though. The user just needs to run the app once and from then it will work. There's no other way on any platform because how else can you find the users loc or uuid or anything? From pete at lcsql.com Thu Nov 15 18:18:04 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:18:04 -0800 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table Message-ID: I would like to have a scrolling list field that includes a table control within it. The challenge is to have the table field scroll when the list scrolls. I have a scrollbarDrag handler that adds the newposition parameter to the top and bottom items of the table's rectangle. That does move the table but by a much larger amount than the scrolling list field moves. Also tried using the vscroll of the scrolling list field with the same result. I'm guessing that I need to figure out some sort of ratio between the newposition parameter and the distance I need to move the table but how to do that is way beyond my thought processes so any help would be most welcome. It also seems that using newposition doesn't help me figure out whether the list scrolled up or down. Is there a property/message that tells me that or is it a matter of comparing the new scroll position with the last one to figure that out? Pete lcSQL Software From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Nov 15 18:24:54 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:24:54 +1100 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: <09239493-9B39-4FEB-9F74-DE4541C3F832@clearvisiontech.com> References: <09239493-9B39-4FEB-9F74-DE4541C3F832@clearvisiontech.com> Message-ID: <18D983B6-0901-4B2C-8FEF-D3F94692CC4A@sweattechnologies.com> Contact me off list and ill price it up for you. I don't think it will be huge but keep in mind that removing the exits on suspend plist key is currently experimental until runrev says otherwise. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 16/11/2012, at 10:17 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: > Monte, > > Ok. Thanks for the info and insight. Could you write the external? Is it a big deal? I don't know how (and have never) done such a thing. > > -Dan > > >> If I were limited to just what the engine provides then that's the way I'd do it. If I needed this function I would write the external though. The user just needs to run the app once and from then it will work. There's no other way on any platform because how else can you find the users loc or uuid or anything? > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Thu Nov 15 18:28:02 2012 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:28:02 -0800 Subject: Reuse an image In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter, If I understand you correctly, you would need to build a repeat loop to work through your images with something like? set the imageData of img "extRefImage" to the imageData of img "intImage" Beware if your images are scaled, that will affect the imageData, they need to be the same size. If the referenced images are identical to the internal images, you maybe didn't need to re-import them as controls, just? set the imageData of img "A" to the imageData of img "A" this will convert a referenced image to an an internal image at the size it is displayed, but if they are scaled images, try? lock screen ## Record the size and position of the image put the width of img "imageX" into tWidth put the height of img "imageX" into tHeight put the loc of img "imageX" into tLoc ## Convert Ref image to Internal image set the width of img "imageX" to the formattedWidth of img "imageX" set the height of img "imageX" to the formattedHeight of img "imageX" set the imageData of img "imageX" to the imageData of img "imageX" ## Re-set the size and position of the image set the width of img "imageX" to tWidth set the height of img "imageX" to tHeight set the loc of img "imageX" to tLoc unlock screen Hope this helps. Paul On 2012-11-15, at 12:27 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > Hi, > > Simple task: I want to reuse an image that was imported as a control into a substack. > > I know I can copy and paste, but I want to now replace many externally referenced images with their internal equivalents that I just imported. In other words, substitute the external with internal while keeping the old locs, scripts, etc., in place. > > Can this be done? > > Thanks! > > Peter Bogdanoff > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Nov 15 18:32:57 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 00:32:57 +0100 Subject: Reuse an image In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, If the same images have the same size everywhere, please don't do that. You'd be using lots of memory for no reason. Just use buttons and set the icon of the buttons to the id of the images. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 16 nov 2012, at 00:28, Paul Hibbert wrote: > Hi Peter, > > If I understand you correctly, you would need to build a repeat loop to work through your images with something like? > > set the imageData of img "extRefImage" to the imageData of img "intImage" > > Beware if your images are scaled, that will affect the imageData, they need to be the same size. > > If the referenced images are identical to the internal images, you maybe didn't need to re-import them as controls, just? > > set the imageData of img "A" to the imageData of img "A" > > this will convert a referenced image to an an internal image at the size it is displayed, but if they are scaled images, try? > > lock screen > > ## Record the size and position of the image > put the width of img "imageX" into tWidth > put the height of img "imageX" into tHeight > put the loc of img "imageX" into tLoc > > ## Convert Ref image to Internal image > set the width of img "imageX" to the formattedWidth of img "imageX" > set the height of img "imageX" to the formattedHeight of img "imageX" > set the imageData of img "imageX" to the imageData of img "imageX" > > ## Re-set the size and position of the image > set the width of img "imageX" to tWidth > set the height of img "imageX" to tHeight > set the loc of img "imageX" to tLoc > > unlock screen > > Hope this helps. > > Paul > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Nov 15 18:34:44 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 00:34:44 +0100 Subject: Reuse an image In-Reply-To: <22486C7C-64F0-4387-86A7-1F8C039D8DEE@doctorTimothyMiller.com> References: <22486C7C-64F0-4387-86A7-1F8C039D8DEE@doctorTimothyMiller.com> Message-ID: Hi Tim, If you need small thumbnails, it is best to resize the images and make a small copy of each big picture. You can do that with a photo editing application or inside LiveCode. If you want to make thumbnails in LiveCode, set the size of a big image to the desired thumbnail size, create a new image and set the imagedata of the second image to the image data of the first image. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 15 nov 2012, at 21:36, Timothy Miller wrote: > I've been wondering about a similar question (assuming I understand this question) > > Once I import an image into one card, can I reference that image and display it on another card? For instance, if I want to display an index of thumbnail imported images from other cards. > > Hmm... I just re-read the other question. Mine might be completely different... > > Thanks in advance. > > Tim > From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Thu Nov 15 18:41:00 2012 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:41:00 -0800 Subject: Reuse an image In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, With all due respect, that's not what the OP requested? Quote: "I want to now replace many externally referenced images with their internal equivalents that I just imported. In other words, substitute the external with internal while keeping the old locs, scripts, etc., in place." Paul On 2012-11-15, at 3:32 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi, > > If the same images have the same size everywhere, please don't do that. You'd be using lots of memory for no reason. > > Just use buttons and set the icon of the buttons to the id of the images. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Nov 15 18:44:42 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:44:42 -0600 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/15/12 5:18 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > I would like to have a scrolling list field that includes a table control > within it. The challenge is to have the table field scroll when the list > scrolls. Seems like the new paragraph features would be handy here. You can simulate a table with them and they are part of the field so they scroll normally. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pete at lcsql.com Thu Nov 15 18:57:48 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:57:48 -0800 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: That sounds promising! I'll check it out - somewhere in the release notes I assume. Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:44 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/15/12 5:18 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> I would like to have a scrolling list field that includes a table control >> within it. The challenge is to have the table field scroll when the list >> scrolls. >> > > Seems like the new paragraph features would be handy here. You can > simulate a table with them and they are part of the field so they scroll > normally. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From revdev at pdslabs.net Thu Nov 15 18:58:11 2012 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:58:11 -0800 Subject: Reuse an image In-Reply-To: <79DEECB7-C0A6-4D5C-B182-125C72D05058@me.com> References: <4581A367-BF0F-44DB-9FA5-FEB99BECE623@economy-x-talk.com> <79DEECB7-C0A6-4D5C-B182-125C72D05058@me.com> Message-ID: <50A58193.70001@pdslabs.net> Hi Peter, With images you can also do either of these: put img 1 into img 2 -- forces img 2 to be same dimensions as img 1 (unless #2 is locked) set text of img 2 to text of img 1 -- terminology is weird but it works, same as above Best - Phil Davis On 11/15/12 12:54 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > Thanks, Mark. > > That works for buttons, however can I do it for images? > > On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > >> Hi Peeter, >> >> Set the icon of a transparent button to the (short) id of the image. >> >> -- >> >> Economy-x-Talk >> Consultancy and Software Engineering >> http://economy-x-talk.com >> >> Download Color Converter at http://www.color-converter.com >> >> Op 15-nov-2012, om 21:27 heeft Peter Bogdanoff het volgende geschreven: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Simple task: I want to reuse an image that was imported as a control into a substack. >>> >>> I know I can copy and paste, but I want to now replace many externally referenced images with their internal equivalents that I just imported. In other words, substitute the external with internal while keeping the old locs, scripts, etc., in place. >>> >>> Can this be done? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Peter Bogdanoff >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Phil Davis From alex at tweedly.net Thu Nov 15 14:03:11 2012 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:03:11 +0000 Subject: What happened to my message box ? In-Reply-To: References: <50A4BB64.3050105@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <50A53C6F.2000906@tweedly.net> Thanks Mike. I thought I had tried that - but I did have just a few more pixels left at the bottom of the screen, and including them in the window let me grab the divider. Thanks! -- Alex. On 15/11/2012 13:45, Mike Bonner wrote: > Same thing happened to me (random hiccup) I just increased the window size > a little till the divider showed. However now on 5.5.3 it seems that every > time I switch to the multiline pane the divider defaults to the bottom > where it is barely otu of view and I have to do it again. Kinda a pain > in the tookus. > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:52 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > >> When I open the msg box, and then click on "multi-line", I used to get a >> window with 2 panes >> - top one to enter a script >> - lower one with its output. >> >> But now it gives me only a single pane (the output one) - there's nowhere >> to enter the script. >> >> What have I done ? :-) >> And more importantly, how can I undo it ? >> >> Thanks >> -- Alex. >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Thu Nov 15 16:13:26 2012 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:13:26 -0800 Subject: Reuse an image In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter, You would need to build a repeat loop to work through your images with something like? set the imageData of img "extRefImage" to the imageData of img "intImage" Beware that if your images are scaled that will affect the imageData. If the referenced images are identical to the internal images, you didn't need to re-import them as controls, just? set the imageData of img "A" to the imageData of img "A" this will convert a referenced image to an an internal image, but if they are scaled images, try? lock screen ## Record the size and position of the image put the width of img "imageX" into tWidth put the height of img "imageX" into tHeight put the loc of img "imageX" into tLoc ## Convert Ref image to Internal image set the width of img "imageX" to the formattedWidth of img "imageX" set the height of img "imageX" to the formattedHeight of img "imageX" set the imageData of img "imageX" to the imageData of img "imageX" ## Re-set the size and position of the image set the width of img "imageX" to tWidth set the height of img "imageX" to tHeight set the loc of img "imageX" to tLoc unlock screen Paul On 2012-11-15, at 12:27 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > Hi, > > Simple task: I want to reuse an image that was imported as a control into a substack. > > I know I can copy and paste, but I want to now replace many externally referenced images with their internal equivalents that I just imported. In other words, substitute the external with internal while keeping the old locs, scripts, etc., in place. > > Can this be done? > > Thanks! > > Peter Bogdanoff > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From johnpatten at mac.com Thu Nov 15 19:22:46 2012 From: johnpatten at mac.com (JOHN PATTEN) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:22:46 -0800 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: <6C58DCBA-899A-48B2-A127-23325D8DDD80@sweattechnologies.com> References: <6C58DCBA-899A-48B2-A127-23325D8DDD80@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <4F95570E-EFF3-488A-8935-E9611BDF7129@mac.com> Hi Monte? How accurate would the location location external identification be? If for example I was on a school campus, could it distinguish between classrooms? Or if I was at a conference, between meeting rooms? Just thinking out loud? Thank you! On Nov 15, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > If I were limited to just what the engine provides then that's the way I'd do it. If I needed this function I would write the external though. The user just needs to run the app once and from then it will work. There's no other way on any platform because how else can you find the users loc or uuid or anything? > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 16/11/2012, at 10:05 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: > >> Monte, >> >> So, your saying that in the confines of LC, it can't be done... not without the app running and polling the location every so often? >> >> -Dan >> >> >>> I think it would be. First step is to remove the exits on suspend plist entry and add UIBackgroundModes location. Then check the location every so often and send a local notification when in the right area. There are better/lower battery power solutions if you don't need a high level of accuracy but this is the only way without an external to add some more core location features. For example with an external you could define a location and radius and have your app woken in the background to do something when the user went in or out which I think would do exactly what you need if you send a local notification when woken... >> >>>> Is it possible to send a push message to users of an app that are within a given location? For example, I want to send a push message to all users of my app that are within a 1/2 mile radius of a given latitude and longitude. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Thu Nov 15 20:33:40 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:33:40 +1100 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: <4F95570E-EFF3-488A-8935-E9611BDF7129@mac.com> References: <6C58DCBA-899A-48B2-A127-23325D8DDD80@sweattechnologies.com> <4F95570E-EFF3-488A-8935-E9611BDF7129@mac.com> Message-ID: <635FABA1-68CE-45AB-8BC3-81C58304B8B1@sweattechnologies.com> I think it's only for the less accurate form of location service called significant change but I can check on that. What I would do is use this service to notify the app when the device gets in the general area and then turn on the more accurate gps services to work out if they are in a specific target area. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 16/11/2012, at 11:22 AM, JOHN PATTEN wrote: > Hi Monte? > > How accurate would the location location external identification be? If for example I was on a school campus, could it distinguish between classrooms? Or if I was at a conference, between meeting rooms? > > Just thinking out loud? > > Thank you! > > > On Nov 15, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> If I were limited to just what the engine provides then that's the way I'd do it. If I needed this function I would write the external though. The user just needs to run the app once and from then it will work. There's no other way on any platform because how else can you find the users loc or uuid or anything? >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> On 16/11/2012, at 10:05 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: >> >>> Monte, >>> >>> So, your saying that in the confines of LC, it can't be done... not without the app running and polling the location every so often? >>> >>> -Dan >>> >>> >>>> I think it would be. First step is to remove the exits on suspend plist entry and add UIBackgroundModes location. Then check the location every so often and send a local notification when in the right area. There are better/lower battery power solutions if you don't need a high level of accuracy but this is the only way without an external to add some more core location features. For example with an external you could define a location and radius and have your app woken in the background to do something when the user went in or out which I think would do exactly what you need if you send a local notification when woken... >>> >>>>> Is it possible to send a push message to users of an app that are within a given location? For example, I want to send a push message to all users of my app that are within a 1/2 mile radius of a given latitude and longitude. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Nov 15 21:09:31 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:09:31 -0800 Subject: problem using libURL on server? Message-ID: <50A5A05B.5030000@fourthworld.com> I've used libURL with the CGI engine in the past and it's worked well, but today I'm trying to use it and it just hangs. If I comment out the "get url" comment in my script the rest works fine, but the one line that tries to post data to another server fails. Anyone else run into this? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From pete at lcsql.com Thu Nov 15 21:27:57 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:27:57 -0800 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Well, I guess understanding the new paragraph features is going to take a while. Not even sure what a paragraph is in the context of a scrolling list field - is every line a paragraph? Also not sure if I can replicate a table exactly since I want to have the ability to scroll vertically. For now, I'm ploughing ahead trying to use a table. I figured out the scrolling issue, the amount to move (up or down) is the difference between the previous and current vscroll - that all works fine now. I have what I think is probably a more complex issue to solve though. If I scroll the field so that the table starts to go past the top or bottom of the file, it stays visible and just keeps on scrolling. I need to figure out a way to have the parts of the table that move beyond the top and bottom borders of the field disappear. The closest I have so far is to position an opaque rectangle between the top of the field/stack and bottom of the field/stack. The table then disappears behind the rectangle. Almost there but it still looks a little strange because the the table stomps on the line borders of the field before disappearing. Any ideas? Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:44 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/15/12 5:18 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> I would like to have a scrolling list field that includes a table control >> within it. The challenge is to have the table field scroll when the list >> scrolls. >> > > Seems like the new paragraph features would be handy here. You can > simulate a table with them and they are part of the field so they scroll > normally. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 21:32:30 2012 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:32:30 +0800 Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon In-Reply-To: <50A53AA5.1090104@fourthworld.com> References: <50A53AA5.1090104@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > I think the 6.0 "Preview" is only available to members of the Developer > Program, but I'm not sure how that could be dependent on the Linux > deployment option. > > Yes, I believe that too, and would therefore make you fall under the NDA other's have mentioned. Previously Enterprise and now Complete owners automatically became Developer Program members and no one else. What I ASSUME (foolish I know) is that the current offer being emailed out is for ANYONE to become a member of the Developer Program so they can help RunRev iron out 6.0, even if all they have is an old Personal version of LC for Win on Desktop. This is what I understand by the emails "any update" rather than offering a discount on 'upgrading' to Complete. Looking at my account I have two Licenses; a Commercial License at 5.5, and a Personal License just for iOS at 5.0. At some point I clicked the 'Buy Addon' for iOS for my Commercial License, so my Personal License sits there doing nothing. The Personal License has no Desktop, so all those options have 'Buy addon' next to them, only iOS has an 'Update addon' button, which would bring it up to 5.5 - pointless as I already have it under my Commercial License. But my ASSUMPTION is if I did purchase that 'update' I would have access to 6.0 on iOS - which at only $33 is a lot cheaper access to 6.0 than the $749 to upgrade to Complete. What is strange is I ASSUME if I spent $99 'Buy addon' 'Desktop Deployment: Mac + Windows' on my Personal License I wouldn't get 6.0 because it isn't an 'update'. Stranger still, I ASSUME if I spent $400 to 'upgrade' my Personal License to Commercial (illogical for me, but thinking of someone who had just a Personal License) I again wouldn't qualify for 6.0 because it's not an update. Update, Upgrade and Addons, very confusing as to what gets access to test 6.0, so hopefully the cc to Heather will clarify. Thanks From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Nov 15 22:17:53 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:17:53 -0600 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: References: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50A5B061.30704@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/15/12 8:27 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Well, I guess understanding the new paragraph features is going to take a > while. Not even sure what a paragraph is in the context of a scrolling > list field - is every line a paragraph? Also not sure if I can replicate a > table exactly since I want to have the ability to scroll vertically. Every line is a paragraph, which corresponds to a row. You can turn on vgrid and hgrid for a range of lines instead of the whole field if you want to simulate cells. Lines can have their own background colors now. You can inset text from the margins and the grids with the padding property, or the spaceAbove/spaceBelow properties, or the different indent properties. Because all of this is just lines in a field, you dont need to do anything to manage scrolling, it will just work. What type of table are you reproducing? If it's just tabbed text, it shouldn't be too hard. You can also use imagesources in the lines if you need images. There is a new "soft" return that allows you to have multiple visible lines in a paragraph, even though the script will treat it as a single line. I don't see a way to make that work within tabbed "cells" though, it applies only to whole lines. If you need multiple lines per cell then it probably won't work too well. I'm using several of these features in my current project and they work great. Maybe that's why I'm so enthusiastic about them. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Nov 15 23:52:58 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:52:58 -0800 Subject: problem using libURL on server? In-Reply-To: <50A5A05B.5030000@fourthworld.com> References: <50A5A05B.5030000@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <50A5C6AA.50102@fourthworld.com> My CGI problem has become more interesting: When I use the old CGI engine with a text file script, I'm able to use libURL fine without issue. But right now I need to make a standalone, which has worked well with everything else I've used it for but now that I need to get data from another server it hangs in the libURL call. What is it about libURL which lets the same version work well with the old CGI engine but not in a faceless standalone? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From bvlahos at mac.com Fri Nov 16 02:24:51 2012 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:24:51 -0800 Subject: [ANN] lcTaskList 1.2 the Task List Plugin for LiveCode Message-ID: <05E84129-D79D-4915-B021-4B63EC594AA0@mac.com> I've released a minor update to the task list plugin for LiveCode's IDE (and it works with GLX2 too!). This plugin will help you organize your code and remember what you are working on. I think it is a useful tool for everyone who uses LiveCode. LcTaskList is available for purchase for only $10 at the RunRev Marketplace. Version 1.2 is a free update for existing users. A free trial version is now available. Bugs fixed setProp and getProp handlers are now correctly identified constants are no longer identified as handlers New features Easier to edit the library of words in preferences Integration with other software: Mark Wieder has integrated lcTaskList with GLX2 Pete Haworth has integrated lcTaskList with lcStackBrowser Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. lcTaskList: (http://www.infowallet.com/lctasklist/index.htm) RunRev lcTaskList Forum: (http://forums.runrev.com/viewforum.php?f=61) From klaus at major.on-rev.com Fri Nov 16 04:56:58 2012 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:56:58 +0100 Subject: Reuse an image In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter, Am 15.11.2012 um 21:27 schrieb Peter Bogdanoff : > Hi, > > Simple task: I want to reuse an image that was imported as a control into a substack. > > I know I can copy and paste, but I want to now replace many externally referenced images with their internal equivalents that I just imported. In other words, substitute the external with internal while keeping the old locs, scripts, etc., in place. > > Can this be done? you already got some hints from the list. But next time you should NOT import duplicates of the external images but rather do a repeat loop through your stack, all cards and images and kind of "import" the images into the same images with: ... put the filename of img i of cd x into tFileName if tFilename <> empty then put url("binfile:" & tFilename) into img i of cd x end if ... This way all "formatting" of your images will be untouched! Maybe you can still do this. :-) > Thanks! > > Peter Bogdanoff Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From coiin at verizon.net Thu Nov 15 21:10:32 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:10:32 -0500 Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon In-Reply-To: <50A573C1.1080509@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1353007187.30495.YahooMailClassic@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <31D13B40-67FF-4A21-A74F-411767F99EA4@sweattechnologies.com> <9C6CBAA9-FA17-40CF-9628-AC3E43ED160E@sweattechnologies.com> <50A573C1.1080509@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <995BB0D0-93E6-4A00-918F-C7685840CA08@verizon.net> Is that actually true? Look, non-dev-list folk, there are advantages you get for paying extra money. This hypothetical one may be one example. On Nov 15, 2012, at 5:59 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > >Everything on the dev list is under NDA. From pmbrig at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 09:24:10 2012 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:24:10 -0500 Subject: Integer-Calculation with 24 decimals? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18DAD56D-413E-4366-81B9-9976C0F41B51@gmail.com> On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:41 AM, R. Hillen wrote: > I have to do a lot of calculations like 1234516789012345678901234 mod 97; (always 24 decimals) > > IntegerCalculation in LC with 24 decimals doesn?t work valide. > > Does anyone of you know of an external function or a mathematical trick or ? Break it down into to 2 shorter strings. This works because you can do all arithmetical operations on the modulo values. function bigMod bigNumber, modWhat put length(bigNumber) into tLen put char 1 to (tLen div 2) of bigNumber into m1 put char (tLen div 2)+1 to -1 of bigNumber into m2 put length(m2) into tPower put m1 mod modWhat into mm1 put (mm1 * (10^tPower)) mod modWhat into mm1 put m2 mod modWhat into mm2 return (mm1 + mm2) mod modWhat end bigMod I tested this technique on smaller numbers and it seems to work. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From baleareninsel at gmx.net Fri Nov 16 10:25:17 2012 From: baleareninsel at gmx.net (Inselfan) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:25:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to use stacks from LC 5.5.3 with LC 4.5.3? Message-ID: <1353079517465-4657301.post@n4.nabble.com> Hola, I'll downgrade and go back to 4.5.3 from 5.5.3 cause having lots of major probs with 5.5.3 Question now is: how to "convert" stacks from 5.5.3 to use them with 4.5.3. There must be a trick because I can NOT open them with 4.5.3 Thanks for your help Horst -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-use-stacks-from-LC-5-5-3-with-LC-4-5-3-tp4657301.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From th.douez at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 10:35:18 2012 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:35:18 +0100 Subject: How to use stacks from LC 5.5.3 with LC 4.5.3? In-Reply-To: <1353079517465-4657301.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1353079517465-4657301.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: 2012/11/16 Inselfan : > Hola, > > I'll downgrade and go back to 4.5.3 from 5.5.3 cause having lots of major > probs with 5.5.3 > > Question now is: how to "convert" stacks from 5.5.3 to use them with 4.5.3. > There must be a trick because I can NOT open them with 4.5.3 > > Thanks for your help > With LC 5.5.3 save your stack using the option "Save as..." and select Legacy. Your stack will be available for 4.5 then... Thierry From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Nov 16 11:13:16 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:13:16 -0800 Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon In-Reply-To: <995BB0D0-93E6-4A00-918F-C7685840CA08@verizon.net> References: <995BB0D0-93E6-4A00-918F-C7685840CA08@verizon.net> Message-ID: <50A6661C.1000508@fourthworld.com> Colin Holgate wrote: On Nov 15, 2012, at 5:59 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >> Everything on the dev list is under NDA. > > Is that actually true? Look, non-dev-list folk, there are advantages > you get for paying extra money. As described on the Developer Program at runrev.com, the Program offers preview editions of future releases. As with any unreleased software by any publisher, those are considered proprietary until they're publicly available. More on the Developer Program here: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From baleareninsel at gmx.net Fri Nov 16 11:37:28 2012 From: baleareninsel at gmx.net (Inselfan) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:37:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to use stacks from LC 5.5.3 with LC 4.5.3? In-Reply-To: <1353079517465-4657301.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1353079517465-4657301.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1353083848963-4657304.post@n4.nabble.com> Hola Thierry, That really works :) Thanks for that and have a nice weekend Horst -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-use-stacks-from-LC-5-5-3-with-LC-4-5-3-tp4657301p4657304.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri Nov 16 12:10:46 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:10:46 -0500 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: <635FABA1-68CE-45AB-8BC3-81C58304B8B1@sweattechnologies.com> References: <6C58DCBA-899A-48B2-A127-23325D8DDD80@sweattechnologies.com> <4F95570E-EFF3-488A-8935-E9611BDF7129@mac.com> <635FABA1-68CE-45AB-8BC3-81C58304B8B1@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <336734CC-FED4-4D9A-A2E3-46852E26F667@mac.com> I'd update my subscription for this. Just saying? -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 15, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > I think it's only for the less accurate form of location service called significant change but I can check on that. What I would do is use this service to notify the app when the device gets in the general area and then turn on the more accurate gps services to work out if they are in a specific target area. > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 16/11/2012, at 11:22 AM, JOHN PATTEN wrote: > >> Hi Monte? >> >> How accurate would the location location external identification be? If for example I was on a school campus, could it distinguish between classrooms? Or if I was at a conference, between meeting rooms? >> >> Just thinking out loud? >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> On Nov 15, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: >> >>> If I were limited to just what the engine provides then that's the way I'd do it. If I needed this function I would write the external though. The user just needs to run the app once and from then it will work. There's no other way on any platform because how else can you find the users loc or uuid or anything? >>> >>> -- >>> M E R Goulding >>> Software development services >>> >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! >>> >>> On 16/11/2012, at 10:05 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: >>> >>>> Monte, >>>> >>>> So, your saying that in the confines of LC, it can't be done... not without the app running and polling the location every so often? >>>> >>>> -Dan >>>> >>>> >>>>> I think it would be. First step is to remove the exits on suspend plist entry and add UIBackgroundModes location. Then check the location every so often and send a local notification when in the right area. There are better/lower battery power solutions if you don't need a high level of accuracy but this is the only way without an external to add some more core location features. For example with an external you could define a location and radius and have your app woken in the background to do something when the user went in or out which I think would do exactly what you need if you send a local notification when woken... >>>> >>>>>> Is it possible to send a push message to users of an app that are within a given location? For example, I want to send a push message to all users of my app that are within a 1/2 mile radius of a given latitude and longitude. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri Nov 16 12:24:55 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:24:55 -0500 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: <50A5B061.30704@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> <50A5B061.30704@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <72793605-329E-4B08-8F9E-D67CDA8870E9@mac.com> Jac, Now this would make a great how to for people new to RR and for people new to the 'new' text attributes! Maybe a lesson? Maybe a Newsletter article? Just saying? -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 15, 2012, at 10:17 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Every line is a paragraph, which corresponds to a row. You can turn on vgrid and hgrid for a range of lines instead of the whole field if you want to simulate cells. Lines can have their own background colors now. You can inset text from the margins and the grids with the padding property, or the spaceAbove/spaceBelow properties, or the different indent properties. Because all of this is just lines in a field, you dont need to do anything to manage scrolling, it will just work. > > What type of table are you reproducing? If it's just tabbed text, it shouldn't be too hard. You can also use imagesources in the lines if you need images. > > There is a new "soft" return that allows you to have multiple visible lines in a paragraph, even though the script will treat it as a single line. I don't see a way to make that work within tabbed "cells" though, it applies only to whole lines. If you need multiple lines per cell then it probably won't work too well. > > I'm using several of these features in my current project and they work great. Maybe that's why I'm so enthusiastic about them. From th.douez at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 12:37:11 2012 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:37:11 +0100 Subject: How to use stacks from LC 5.5.3 with LC 4.5.3? In-Reply-To: <1353083848963-4657304.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1353079517465-4657301.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353083848963-4657304.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: 2012/11/16 Inselfan : > Hola Thierry, > > That really works :) Thanks for that and have a nice weekend :) Well, I guess you are aware it wouldn't work if you were using some specific 5.5 features, not available on 4.5. ein sch?nes Wochenende, Thierry From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 16 12:46:16 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:46:16 -0600 Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon In-Reply-To: <995BB0D0-93E6-4A00-918F-C7685840CA08@verizon.net> References: <1353007187.30495.YahooMailClassic@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <31D13B40-67FF-4A21-A74F-411767F99EA4@sweattechnologies.com> <9C6CBAA9-FA17-40CF-9628-AC3E43ED160E@sweattechnologies.com> <50A573C1.1080509@hyperactivesw.com> <995BB0D0-93E6-4A00-918F-C7685840CA08@verizon.net> Message-ID: <50A67BE8.2030606@hyperactivesw.com> Read the email you got when you joined. On 11/15/12 8:10 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Is that actually true? Look, non-dev-list folk, there are advantages you get for paying extra money. This hypothetical one may be one example. > > > On Nov 15, 2012, at 5:59 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> >>> Everything on the dev list is under NDA. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Fri Nov 16 13:57:09 2012 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:57:09 -0500 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: <336734CC-FED4-4D9A-A2E3-46852E26F667@mac.com> References: <6C58DCBA-899A-48B2-A127-23325D8DDD80@sweattechnologies.com> <4F95570E-EFF3-488A-8935-E9611BDF7129@mac.com> <635FABA1-68CE-45AB-8BC3-81C58304B8B1@sweattechnologies.com> <336734CC-FED4-4D9A-A2E3-46852E26F667@mac.com> Message-ID: To answer John, indoor navigation is currently not possible with wireless devices, but there are companies working on this very topic, including one that claims that they can use the peculiarities of the magnetic properties of the mantle to tell a cell phone their exact indoor position. There has, understandably, been a lot of interest from grocery chains and the like, as you might expect. Monte, I would also be interested in the capability you are describing. So I take it you are not relying on location services for this functionality, or are you? On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I'd update my subscription for this. > > Just saying? > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > On Nov 15, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Monte Goulding > wrote: > > > I think it's only for the less accurate form of location service called > significant change but I can check on that. What I would do is use this > service to notify the app when the device gets in the general area and then > turn on the more accurate gps services to work out if they are in a > specific target area. > > > > Cheers > > > > -- > > M E R Goulding > > Software development services > > > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > > > On 16/11/2012, at 11:22 AM, JOHN PATTEN wrote: > > > >> Hi Monte? > >> > >> How accurate would the location location external identification be? If > for example I was on a school campus, could it distinguish between > classrooms? Or if I was at a conference, between meeting rooms? > >> > >> Just thinking out loud? > >> > >> Thank you! > >> > >> > >> On Nov 15, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Monte Goulding < > monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote: > >> > >>> If I were limited to just what the engine provides then that's the way > I'd do it. If I needed this function I would write the external though. The > user just needs to run the app once and from then it will work. There's no > other way on any platform because how else can you find the users loc or > uuid or anything? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> M E R Goulding > >>> Software development services > >>> > >>> mergExt - There's an external for that! > >>> > >>> On 16/11/2012, at 10:05 AM, Dan Friedman > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Monte, > >>>> > >>>> So, your saying that in the confines of LC, it can't be done... not > without the app running and polling the location every so often? > >>>> > >>>> -Dan > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I think it would be. First step is to remove the exits on suspend > plist entry and add UIBackgroundModes location. Then check the location > every so often and send a local notification when in the right area. There > are better/lower battery power solutions if you don't need a high level of > accuracy but this is the only way without an external to add some more core > location features. For example with an external you could define a location > and radius and have your app woken in the background to do something when > the user went in or out which I think would do exactly what you need if you > send a local notification when woken... > >>>> > >>>>>> Is it possible to send a push message to users of an app that are > within a given location? For example, I want to send a push message to all > users of my app that are within a 1/2 mile radius of a given latitude and > longitude. > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> use-livecode mailing list > >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> use-livecode mailing list > >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Nov 16 14:28:16 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 06:28:16 +1100 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: References: <6C58DCBA-899A-48B2-A127-23325D8DDD80@sweattechnologies.com> <4F95570E-EFF3-488A-8935-E9611BDF7129@mac.com> <635FABA1-68CE-45AB-8BC3-81C58304B8B1@sweattechnologies.com> <336734CC-FED4-4D9A-A2E3-46852E26F667@mac.com> Message-ID: <0F222FB2-8AFF-4623-9C1E-3127472E78AB@sweattechnologies.com> It's great that there's interest in this. Yes it does rely on location services but on an API runrev haven't implemented which tracks regions. It will launch your app in the background whenever you enter or leave one of the 20 regions you can specify. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 17/11/2012, at 5:57 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > Monte, I would also be interested in the capability you are describing. So > I take it you are not relying on location services for this functionality, > or are you? From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Nov 16 14:28:55 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 06:28:55 +1100 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: <336734CC-FED4-4D9A-A2E3-46852E26F667@mac.com> References: <6C58DCBA-899A-48B2-A127-23325D8DDD80@sweattechnologies.com> <4F95570E-EFF3-488A-8935-E9611BDF7129@mac.com> <635FABA1-68CE-45AB-8BC3-81C58304B8B1@sweattechnologies.com> <336734CC-FED4-4D9A-A2E3-46852E26F667@mac.com> Message-ID: <6F2FA68A-5D06-4085-843B-7DFEA9EE01C9@sweattechnologies.com> Good to know! -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 17/11/2012, at 4:10 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I'd update my subscription for this. From dochawk at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 15:57:49 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:57:49 -0800 Subject: http://www.haiku-os.org/ In-Reply-To: <50A293AD.5030805@gmail.com> References: <50A293AD.5030805@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Richmond wrote: > Will ther be an engine for Haiku? Or an executabe? Haiku-Os Engine sad speculation comes forth Seasons pass Runrev -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From andrew at ctech.me Fri Nov 16 16:30:57 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:30:57 -0600 Subject: Non-blocking URL commands Message-ID: Man oh man, wouldn't it be nice to have a non-blocking http implementation in livecode? Certain REST api calls with some services I use can lock and crash my applications if it takes to long to get a full response. Has this ever been something runrev has mentioned or talked about? -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Nov 16 16:33:45 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:33:45 -0800 Subject: http://www.haiku-os.org/ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50A6B139.2070603@fourthworld.com> Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Richmond wrote: >> >> Will ther be an engine for Haiku? Or an executabe? >> >> http://www.haiku-os.org > > > Haiku-Os Engine > sad speculation comes forth > Seasons pass Runrev Well done. :) Haiku had potential back when it was still BeOS and was being considered for Apple's replacement for what we now call Mac Classic. But instead they purchased NeXT, later Forstallized and renamed "OS X", and the wonderful collection of very interesting ideas that was BeOS lives on only as a hobby project under its current name "Haiku". Still interesting in many ways, but unfortunately viability for app developers isn't one of them. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From baleareninsel at gmx.net Fri Nov 16 16:40:08 2012 From: baleareninsel at gmx.net (Inselfan) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:40:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to use stacks from LC 5.5.3 with LC 4.5.3? In-Reply-To: References: <1353079517465-4657301.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353083848963-4657304.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1353102008266-4657315.post@n4.nabble.com> Hola Thierry, I "upgraded" from 4.5.3 tom 5.5.3. about 2 weeks ago and didn't have time to find and include new features. It seems, that I bought for much too much money a buggy product, cause many stacks/Cards are not working as they did before. For me it seems, that newer RR/LC Versions include more faults than the one before. Going back to (the still buggy) 4.5.3 but there I know what works/doesn't. I think, this was the last time RR got my money :( same to you as you wrote "ein sch?nes Wochenende " Horst -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-use-stacks-from-LC-5-5-3-with-LC-4-5-3-tp4657301p4657315.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Nov 16 16:40:15 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 08:40:15 +1100 Subject: Non-blocking URL commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Andrew Not sure about the crash. That should be reported. But because urls use wait with messages style blocking you can sort of do non-blocking urls if you send a message in time and have that command post to your URL. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 17/11/2012, at 8:30 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Man oh man, wouldn't it be nice to have a non-blocking http > implementation in livecode? Certain REST api calls with some services > I use can lock and crash my applications if it takes to long to get a > full response. Has this ever been something runrev has mentioned or > talked about? > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > andrew at ctech.me > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 16:53:35 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 23:53:35 +0200 Subject: How to use stacks from LC 5.5.3 with LC 4.5.3? In-Reply-To: <1353102008266-4657315.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1353079517465-4657301.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353083848963-4657304.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353102008266-4657315.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <50A6B5DF.2000005@gmail.com> On 11/16/2012 11:40 PM, Inselfan wrote: > Hola Thierry, > > I "upgraded" from 4.5.3 tom 5.5.3. about 2 weeks ago and didn't have time to > find and include new features. It seems, that I bought for much too much > money a buggy product, cause many stacks/Cards are not working as they did > before. For me it seems, that newer RR/LC Versions include more faults than > the one before. Going back to (the still buggy) 4.5.3 but there I know what > works/doesn't. I think, this was the last time RR got my money :( > > same to you as you wrote "ein sch?nes Wochenende " > > Horst > > This is very worrying. I have been bumbling along with RR/LC 4.5 for a fair old time and have been scraping around wondering whether I can find the money for an upgrade - and I could, with difficulty, but IFF I could see a whole slew of advantages. Oddly enough, I always thought that one of the main aims in a SDLC was to iron out any existing bugs BEFORE releasing the next serious upgrade. Any of you who are following my 'Devawriter Pro' will know that development is very slow indeed, for several reasons: 1. It has to take second place to my running an EFL school. 2. I spend donkey's ages trawling through the thing trying to locate bugs and remove and/or work round them, before I get to the next upgrade. Having now sold some copies of the program I really cannot afford to have negative messages about its functionality floating around in cyberspace (or anywhere else, come to think of things). Horst's posting seems to be one in a fairly long line of 'moans' (and some of them are more howls than moans) that have been appearing with increasing frequency since 4.5. Of course, one excuse that might be forthcoming is that RunTime Revolution have expanded their product to be capable of producing standalones for a far greater number of platforms than they were offering at 4.5. Richmond 'Cassandra' Mathewson posted something a while back about how he felt RunRev were at risk of spreading themselves too thin. At the risk of sounding swollen-headed, I do feel vindicated in that opinion. This is a great sadness, as RR/LC 4.5 is a robust thing that could have been built on incrementally while taking a lot of care to iron out some bugs that have been around for ages, to arrive at a version "5.5.3" or whatever that did not spark off all sorts of negative flack. From andrew at ctech.me Fri Nov 16 16:59:18 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:59:18 -0600 Subject: Non-blocking URL commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The crash just comes when it is taking a minute and the user tries to hit refresh again a couple of times or makes some other http request. Too many of those and my program stops responding on windows. Can you elaborate a little more on "wait with messages style blocking"? I am a bit dense today. On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Hi Andrew > > Not sure about the crash. That should be reported. But because urls use wait with messages style blocking you can sort of do non-blocking urls if you send a message in time and have that command post to your URL. > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 17/11/2012, at 8:30 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > >> Man oh man, wouldn't it be nice to have a non-blocking http >> implementation in livecode? Certain REST api calls with some services >> I use can lock and crash my applications if it takes to long to get a >> full response. Has this ever been something runrev has mentioned or >> talked about? >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Andrew Kluthe >> andrew at ctech.me >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From monte at sweattechnologies.com Fri Nov 16 17:13:50 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:13:50 +1100 Subject: Non-blocking URL commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <519D3F69-6BAC-4353-9CCC-9F5D8EDB4F35@sweattechnologies.com> It means other scripts can run but the script executing the post is blocked waiting for it to return. It's how your users manage to execute other things while the http request is going on. Disable anything you don't want them to do while waiting. On 17/11/2012, at 8:59 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Can you elaborate a little more on "wait with messages style > blocking"? I am a bit dense today. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 16 17:24:13 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:24:13 -0600 Subject: How to use stacks from LC 5.5.3 with LC 4.5.3? In-Reply-To: <50A6B5DF.2000005@gmail.com> References: <1353079517465-4657301.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353083848963-4657304.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353102008266-4657315.post@n4.nabble.com> <50A6B5DF.2000005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50A6BD0D.1020900@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/16/12 3:53 PM, Richmond wrote: > Horst's posting seems to be one in a fairly long line of 'moans' (and > some of them > are more howls than moans) that have been appearing with increasing > frequency since 4.5. Maybe because those who are using 5.5.3 successfully don't post; you only hear about problems. I haven't had any trouble with it. There are, however, a good many new features and a few changes to old behaviors that may be interpreted as "bugs" if the developer isn't aware of them. I'm not saying it's perfect, because I'm sure there certainly must be bugs in there. But I haven't found any showstoppers for what I'm doing and I don't think one person's experience should color everyone else's plans. I've been using 5.5.3 since it became available and I'm just finishing up a project that couldn't have been done in an earlier version. Your DevaWriter would probably be more flexible and easier to script with the new unicode features. I wonder if those are what Horst thinks are bugs; the scripting has changed considerably and older methods no longer work. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 16 17:25:41 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:25:41 -0600 Subject: How to use stacks from LC 5.5.3 with LC 4.5.3? In-Reply-To: <1353102008266-4657315.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1353079517465-4657301.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353083848963-4657304.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353102008266-4657315.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <50A6BD65.9030801@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/16/12 3:40 PM, Inselfan wrote: > Hola Thierry, > > I "upgraded" from 4.5.3 tom 5.5.3. about 2 weeks ago and didn't have time to > find and include new features. It seems, that I bought for much too much > money a buggy product, cause many stacks/Cards are not working as they did > before. The syntax for some things has changed. Can you say what no longer works? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pepetoo at cox.net Fri Nov 16 17:42:37 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:42:37 -0800 Subject: How to use stacks from LC 5.5.3 with LC 4.5.3? In-Reply-To: <1353102008266-4657315.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1353079517465-4657301.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353083848963-4657304.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353102008266-4657315.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Gang, I was developing with 4.5.2 and it seemed to be pretty bug-free; fortunately, at the time LC5.0 was released, I couldn't afford to upgrade, so I didn't. I am so happy! I believe I've done a couple of work-arounds, but my stand-alones, which are only for Macs work as I want them to work. I did do a Windows version for one of them and it seems to work well on PCs prior to Vista via VMWare, but LC has now gone too far for me. I'm now looking at Java seriously; Complicated, but cheap. (smile) Besides I bought a lot of Java books back in the 90s before Java had matured; some with CDs so I can read them on my big monitor. Joe Lewis Wilkins Architect and Director of Product Development On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:40 PM, Inselfan wrote: > Hola Thierry, > > I "upgraded" from 4.5.3 tom 5.5.3. about 2 weeks ago and didn't have time to > find and include new features. It seems, that I bought for much too much > money a buggy product, cause many stacks/Cards are not working as they did > before. For me it seems, that newer RR/LC Versions include more faults than > the one before. Going back to (the still buggy) 4.5.3 but there I know what > works/doesn't. I think, this was the last time RR got my money :( > > same to you as you wrote "ein sch?nes Wochenende " > > Horst > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-use-stacks-from-LC-5-5-3-with-LC-4-5-3-tp4657301p4657315.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pepetoo at cox.net Fri Nov 16 17:42:37 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:42:37 -0800 Subject: How to use stacks from LC 5.5.3 with LC 4.5.3? In-Reply-To: <1353102008266-4657315.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1353079517465-4657301.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353083848963-4657304.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353102008266-4657315.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Gang, I was developing with 4.5.2 and it seemed to be pretty bug-free; fortunately, at the time LC5.0 was released, I couldn't afford to upgrade, so I didn't. I am so happy! I believe I've done a couple of work-arounds, but my stand-alones, which are only for Macs work as I want them to work. I did do a Windows version for one of them and it seems to work well on PCs prior to Vista via VMWare, but LC has now gone too far for me. I'm now looking at Java seriously; Complicated, but cheap. (smile) Besides I bought a lot of Java books back in the 90s before Java had matured; some with CDs so I can read them on my big monitor. Joe Lewis Wilkins Architect and Director of Product Development On Nov 16, 2012, at 1:40 PM, Inselfan wrote: > Hola Thierry, > > I "upgraded" from 4.5.3 tom 5.5.3. about 2 weeks ago and didn't have time to > find and include new features. It seems, that I bought for much too much > money a buggy product, cause many stacks/Cards are not working as they did > before. For me it seems, that newer RR/LC Versions include more faults than > the one before. Going back to (the still buggy) 4.5.3 but there I know what > works/doesn't. I think, this was the last time RR got my money :( > > same to you as you wrote "ein sch?nes Wochenende " > > Horst > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-use-stacks-from-LC-5-5-3-with-LC-4-5-3-tp4657301p4657315.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Nov 16 17:56:19 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:56:19 -1000 Subject: [ANN] lcMover plugin released; lcResTool updated In-Reply-To: <9D7F62CC-BFC5-4FA0-9DBE-598DD09B015A@buchwald.ca> References: <5011525E.10605@fourthworld.com> <9D7F62CC-BFC5-4FA0-9DBE-598DD09B015A@buchwald.ca> Message-ID: <0510973A-CEC7-4418-84C6-4647FFFF5A94@me.com> Thanks, that IS useful! Bob On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Charles E Buchwald wrote: > I've released a free, tiny little plugin I'm calling lcMover. It's sole task is to move your topmost window around, shoving it into the corners, or the middle edges, or the centre of your screen. From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Nov 16 18:00:27 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:00:27 -1000 Subject: [OT] LiveCode 6.0 - Upgrade, Update or Addon In-Reply-To: <50A67BE8.2030606@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1353007187.30495.YahooMailClassic@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <31D13B40-67FF-4A21-A74F-411767F99EA4@sweattechnologies.com> <9C6CBAA9-FA17-40CF-9628-AC3E43ED160E@sweattechnologies.com> <50A573C1.1080509@hyperactivesw.com> <995BB0D0-93E6-4A00-918F-C7685840CA08@verizon.net> <50A67BE8.2030606@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Hah! Read the agreement! How quaint. ;-) Bob On Nov 16, 2012, at 7:46 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Read the email you got when you joined. > > On 11/15/12 8:10 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: >> Is that actually true? Look, non-dev-list folk, there are advantages you get for paying extra money. This hypothetical one may be one example. >> >> >> On Nov 15, 2012, at 5:59 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >> >>> >>>> Everything on the dev list is under NDA. From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Nov 16 18:02:16 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:02:16 -1000 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0DE9E2F1-9C27-4214-B059-2A7F16D62EA1@me.com> Isn't that rather like wanting an eyeball that contains it's own head? ;-) Bob On Nov 15, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > I would like to have a scrolling list field that includes a table control > within it. From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Nov 16 18:07:39 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:07:39 -1000 Subject: How to use stacks from LC 5.5.3 with LC 4.5.3? In-Reply-To: <1353102008266-4657315.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1353079517465-4657301.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353083848963-4657304.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353102008266-4657315.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2FC43398-D277-46AA-AD5B-8E49AA2EE8DA@me.com> Could you list all the buggy things on this list? Let's see if we can get a consensus on them and get some action. Bob On Nov 16, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Inselfan wrote: > Hola Thierry, > > I "upgraded" from 4.5.3 tom 5.5.3. about 2 weeks ago and didn't have time to > find and include new features. It seems, that I bought for much too much > money a buggy product, cause many stacks/Cards are not working as they did > before. For me it seems, that newer RR/LC Versions include more faults than > the one before. Going back to (the still buggy) 4.5.3 but there I know what > works/doesn't. I think, this was the last time RR got my money :( > > same to you as you wrote "ein sch?nes Wochenende " > > Horst > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-use-stacks-from-LC-5-5-3-with-LC-4-5-3-tp4657301p4657315.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Nov 16 21:09:12 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:09:12 -0800 Subject: [ANN] lcMover plugin released; lcResTool updated In-Reply-To: <9D7F62CC-BFC5-4FA0-9DBE-598DD09B015A@buchwald.ca> References: <5011525E.10605@fourthworld.com> <9D7F62CC-BFC5-4FA0-9DBE-598DD09B015A@buchwald.ca> Message-ID: <193165179000.20121116180912@ahsoftware.net> Charles- Thursday, November 15, 2012, 2:47:14 PM, you wrote: > I hope you find them useful! > Feedback is most welcome. Both very nice, thanks. A couple of suggestions: I think it would be more useful to have these launch when selected from the Plugins menu rather than at IDE startup, and The lcResTool reference (yow! that's quite a chart) starts in toplevel mode rather than modeless. Thus I have to switch the tool mode to use the navigation buttons. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From pete at lcsql.com Fri Nov 16 23:27:05 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:27:05 -0800 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: <50A5B061.30704@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> <50A5B061.30704@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: They're pretty simple tables, single line rows, 3 or 4 columns. I'll play around with the new stuff. So is the generic format something like: set the textalign of line 3 of filed "xyz" to "right". Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:17 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/15/12 8:27 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> Well, I guess understanding the new paragraph features is going to take a >> while. Not even sure what a paragraph is in the context of a scrolling >> list field - is every line a paragraph? Also not sure if I can replicate a >> table exactly since I want to have the ability to scroll vertically. >> > > Every line is a paragraph, which corresponds to a row. You can turn on > vgrid and hgrid for a range of lines instead of the whole field if you want > to simulate cells. Lines can have their own background colors now. You can > inset text from the margins and the grids with the padding property, or the > spaceAbove/spaceBelow properties, or the different indent properties. > Because all of this is just lines in a field, you dont need to do anything > to manage scrolling, it will just work. > > What type of table are you reproducing? If it's just tabbed text, it > shouldn't be too hard. You can also use imagesources in the lines if you > need images. > > There is a new "soft" return that allows you to have multiple visible > lines in a paragraph, even though the script will treat it as a single > line. I don't see a way to make that work within tabbed "cells" though, it > applies only to whole lines. If you need multiple lines per cell then it > probably won't work too well. > > I'm using several of these features in my current project and they work > great. Maybe that's why I'm so enthusiastic about them. > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 06:03:02 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:03:02 +0200 Subject: How to use stacks from LC 5.5.3 with LC 4.5.3? In-Reply-To: <50A6BD0D.1020900@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1353079517465-4657301.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353083848963-4657304.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353102008266-4657315.post@n4.nabble.com> <50A6B5DF.2000005@gmail.com> <50A6BD0D.1020900@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50A76EE6.6030606@gmail.com> On 11/17/2012 12:24 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/16/12 3:53 PM, Richmond wrote: > >> Horst's posting seems to be one in a fairly long line of 'moans' (and >> some of them >> are more howls than moans) that have been appearing with increasing >> frequency since 4.5. > > Maybe because those who are using 5.5.3 successfully don't post; you > only hear about problems. I haven't had any trouble with it. There > are, however, a good many new features and a few changes to old > behaviors that may be interpreted as "bugs" if the developer isn't > aware of them. > > I'm not saying it's perfect, because I'm sure there certainly must be > bugs in there. But I haven't found any showstoppers for what I'm doing > and I don't think one person's experience should color everyone else's > plans. I've been using 5.5.3 since it became available and I'm just > finishing up a project that couldn't have been done in an earlier > version. > > Your DevaWriter would probably be more flexible and easier to script > with the new unicode features. You are probably right; but at about half a million lines of code across something like 500-odd objects I really cannot see myself recoding the whole thing. At present everything works very well indeed. I am glad to hear that people are working well with the latest version. However, I will stand by my feeling that things have either "spread too thin" or "diversified too fast" and that some of the effects of that may be showing. > I wonder if those are what Horst thinks are bugs; the scripting has > changed considerably and older methods no longer work. > From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 09:18:23 2012 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 06:18:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to use stacks from LC 5.5.3 with LC 4.5.3? In-Reply-To: <50A76EE6.6030606@gmail.com> References: <1353079517465-4657301.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353083848963-4657304.post@n4.nabble.com> <1353102008266-4657315.post@n4.nabble.com> <50A6B5DF.2000005@gmail.com> <50A6BD0D.1020900@hyperactivesw.com> <50A76EE6.6030606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1353161903933-4657331.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi All, These bugs... Are in the engine or the IDE? Notice that many profesional developers in this platform use the MetaCard IDE to create their software. So they will never see the "bugs" that you found. I find this discussion really interesting and I hope to read more about this topic. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-use-stacks-from-LC-5-5-3-with-LC-4-5-3-tp4657301p4657331.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Nov 17 10:20:49 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 07:20:49 -0800 Subject: How to use stacks from LC 5.5.3 with LC 4.5.3? In-Reply-To: <1353161903933-4657331.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1353161903933-4657331.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <50A7AB51.5020200@fourthworld.com> Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Hi All, > > These bugs... Are in the engine or the IDE? Unfortunately "not working as they did before" and "having lots of major probs" don't provide enough detail to understand what problems are occurring, and if they're even bugs per se. There are a few regressions in v5.5.3, but the critical ones have been addressed in GM2 so at this point I'm using 5.5.3 for all new work going forward, and also migrating most older projects over time. I've encountered some differences in behavior, but nothing as significant as the changes to backgroundBehavior several versions before. So far most of the differences I've seen relate to htmlText, but as with the earlier change to how backgroundBehavior works I would consider those differences worthwhile improvements over limitations and inconsistencies in earlier versions. From time to time as LiveCode evolves, we can expect that there will be new features and enhancements to existing features which may require some changes to scripts. Those are very rare; RunRev does an admirable job, far beyond Apple and others, in maintaining backward compatibility wherever practical, and weigh the impact on existing code in the community very carefully before making any decision requiring revision. But sometimes the opportunity for an improvement may require changes to our scripts, and thankfully any such changes are called out in bold, red type in the Release Notes so we have a chance to consider the impact in our work before migrating a project to a new version. That stacks built with a version using a newer format can't be used in earlier versions is not a new issue, or unique to LiveCode. Ever since I started using this engine in '98 I've seen occasional changes to the stack file format, and as with any software product it won't be possible for a new format to be used by an older version of the app that wasn't designed to handle it. RunRev has gone a step further than MetaCard Corp with that, providing an option in the IDE to save in legacy format. The current IDE includes support for the last three formats, so one can go back to engines all the way to v2.4 (circa 2002) if they like. How many other apps have you seen that maintain support for proprietary file formats covering a full decade? To put that in perspective, you can't even run the latest OS X on any Mac you purchased from Apple just six years ago. RunRev goes above and beyond most others with regard to backward compatibility. > Notice that many profesional developers in this platform > use the MetaCard IDE to create their software. > So they will never see the "bugs" that you found. This is rarely the case, limited to differences between the IDEs only, since of course the engine that drives the IDE stacks is the same. That said, that's one of the reasons we maintain the MC IDE, to help distinguish between engine and IDE behaviors in those few cases where it may not be self-evident. With RunRev's detailed Release Notes, it is indeed very rarely the case that we don't know up front whether a difference we're seeing is caused by an engine change or an IDE change. That is, provided the Release Notes are read. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Nov 17 13:05:25 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:05:25 -0600 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: References: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> <50A5B061.30704@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50A7D1E5.10402@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/16/12 10:27 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > They're pretty simple tables, single line rows, 3 or 4 columns. I'll play > around with the new stuff. > > So is the generic format something like: > > set the textalign of line 3 of filed "xyz" to "right". Yup, that's all there is to it. Here's what I did to add a user note to the app's field text. It is slightly inset with padding and the background is colored so it stands out visually. The spaceAbove property prevents the colored area from extending up to the baseline of the preceding line: put 15 into tPadding set the backgroundcolor of line tLineNum of fld tFld to "226,225,192" set the padding of line tLineNum of fld tFld to tPadding -- insets all sides set the spaceAbove of line tLineNum of fld tFld to tPadding -- drop the top content area down I also wanted the user to be able to enter a multi-line note but I didn't want to have to track multiple paragraphs per note. That's where the soft returns came in handy. I replaced all crs in the user entry with numToChar(11) and visually it looks like separate paragraphs, but the script sees the whole thing as a single line. That was extremely handy. All the above works fine regardless of how many "lines" the user entered in their note. I love the new field properties. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Nov 17 13:20:32 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:20:32 -0600 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: <72793605-329E-4B08-8F9E-D67CDA8870E9@mac.com> References: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> <50A5B061.30704@hyperactivesw.com> <72793605-329E-4B08-8F9E-D67CDA8870E9@mac.com> Message-ID: <50A7D570.1020905@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/16/12 11:24 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Jac, > > Now this would make a great how to for people new to RR and for > people new to the 'new' text attributes! > > Maybe a lesson? Maybe a Newsletter article? That's a good idea. I won't have time for a while yet, but when things calm down I might do that if RR doesn't beat me to it. My web site could use new material, and RR can use it for the newsletter if they want. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From andre at andregarzia.com Sat Nov 17 17:26:39 2012 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:26:39 -0200 Subject: http://www.haiku-os.org/ In-Reply-To: <50A6B139.2070603@fourthworld.com> References: <50A6B139.2070603@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: I have a soft spot for Haiku. I used to run BeOS R5, then I went to Zeta and now Haiku. I was a member of BUG-Br (Brazilian BeOS User Group), I've met YellowTAB CEO, am friend of a former kernel engineer and been a Google Summer of Code student for the Haiku Project. During the GSoC, I was tasked to create a little network control panel for Haiku. It was not my best creation and I wish I could work more on it. Anyway, check the picture below: http://fon.nu/8EJF5CL My name and preflet still there. =D On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Richmond wrote: > >> > >> Will ther be an engine for Haiku? Or an executabe? > >> > >> http://www.haiku-os.org > > > > > > > Haiku-Os Engine > > sad speculation comes forth > > Seasons pass Runrev > > Well done. :) > > > Haiku had potential back when it was still BeOS and was being considered > for Apple's replacement for what we now call Mac Classic. > > But instead they purchased NeXT, later Forstallized and renamed "OS X", > and the wonderful collection of very interesting ideas that was BeOS lives > on only as a hobby project under its current name "Haiku". > > Still interesting in many ways, but unfortunately viability for app > developers isn't one of them. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/**FourthWorldSys > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- http://www.andregarzia.com -- All We Do Is Code. http://fon.nu -- minimalist url shortening service. From davidocoker at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 18:18:13 2012 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:18:13 -0600 Subject: http://www.haiku-os.org/ In-Reply-To: References: <50A6B139.2070603@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > I have a soft spot for Haiku. > > I used to run BeOS R5, then I went to Zeta and now Haiku. I was a member of > BUG-Br (Brazilian BeOS User Group), I've met YellowTAB CEO, am friend of a > former kernel engineer and been a Google Summer of Code student for the > Haiku Project. During the GSoC, I was tasked to create a little network > control panel for Haiku. It was not my best creation and I wish I could > work more on it. Anyway, check the picture below: > > http://fon.nu/8EJF5CL > > My name and preflet still there. > > =D That's awesome, Andre! I too really liked BeOS and had great hopes for it... was really disappointed when the company went down the tube. I've tried Haiku a few times, but not recently... now have the latest version downloaded and will take it for another test spin. Thanks for the reminder, folks! Regards, DavidC. From terence at ctec.co.nz Sat Nov 17 18:55:19 2012 From: terence at ctec.co.nz (terence) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:55:19 +1300 Subject: http://www.haiku-os.org/ Message-ID: <5mapdcsdegc1yvna0cnu27rp.1353196519283@email.android.com> Looks great. Im going to try it too. Cheers Terence Sent from Samsung Mobile"David C." wrote:On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > I have a soft spot for Haiku. > > I used to run BeOS R5, then I went to Zeta and now Haiku. I was a member of > BUG-Br (Brazilian BeOS User Group), I've met YellowTAB CEO, am friend of a > former kernel engineer and been a Google Summer of Code student for the > Haiku Project. During the GSoC, I was tasked to create a little network > control panel for Haiku. It was not my best creation and I wish I could > work more on it. Anyway, check the picture below: > > http://fon.nu/8EJF5CL > > My name and preflet still there. > > =D That's awesome, Andre! I too really liked BeOS and had great hopes for it... was really disappointed when the company went down the tube. I've tried Haiku a few times, but not recently... now have the latest version downloaded and will take it for another test spin. Thanks for the reminder, folks! Regards, DavidC. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Sat Nov 17 19:11:50 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:11:50 -0800 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: <50A7D1E5.10402@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> <50A5B061.30704@hyperactivesw.com> <50A7D1E5.10402@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Cool,that works well for what I want to do. I have one remaining issue though. I have set tab stops and the xGrid properties to make it look like a table, but I need one of the columns to be right-justified and I don;t think I can do that with this method since the textALign property applies to the whole line. May be I need to look at the more complex, arraybased, styledText property? Pete lcSQL Software On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Yup, that's all there is to it. From dochawk at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 20:27:08 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:27:08 -0800 Subject: http://www.haiku-os.org/ In-Reply-To: <50A6B139.2070603@fourthworld.com> References: <50A6B139.2070603@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Haiku had potential back when it was still BeOS and was being considered for > Apple's replacement for what we now call Mac Classic. It would have been used, too, except that Be thought they had Apple over a barrel. OK, they kind of did, but for that barrel price, Apple discovered that they could buy Jobs, err, NeXT . . . which was for all intents and purposes, the end of Be. -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Nov 17 20:46:41 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:46:41 -0600 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: References: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> <50A5B061.30704@hyperactivesw.com> <50A7D1E5.10402@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50A83E01.2050705@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/17/12 6:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Cool,that works well for what I want to do. I have one remaining issue > though. I have set tab stops and the xGrid properties to make it look like > a table, but I need one of the columns to be right-justified and I don;t > think I can do that with this method since the textALign property applies > to the whole line. > > May be I need to look at the more complex, arraybased, styledText property? The array is just a different representation of what you can do with the individual commands. But you're right, alignment is paragraph-only, you can't apply it to tabs. Sigh. And here I'd almost converted you. :( Back in the olden days when we had no other choice, we'd use a monospaced font and add spaces to simulate column alignment. That's not so impressive any more, though in some cases it still works. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From kee at kagi.com Sat Nov 17 23:43:22 2012 From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:43:22 -0800 Subject: http://www.haiku-os.org/ In-Reply-To: References: <50A6B139.2070603@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <950EA51A-9F63-4A56-B20A-C960EB4F2349@kagi.com> My understanding was that BeOS had few drivers and few protocol stacks whereas the NeXT Mach version of Unix had everything. BeOS was very shiny but not full featured. Unix rugged robust reliable but not sexy. From what I recall, it was not price, it was time to market with an OS that could match the functionality of Mac OS 9 plus be so much more. And, think of all the apps already available for Unix as compared to BeOS. BeOS was very cool, very nice, but it was missing a ton of functionality in day to day getting stuff done. Plus Gasse is a good salesman but not the equal to Jobs. No one talks about a Gasse Reality Distortion Field. Kee On Nov 17, 2012, at 5:27 PM, "Dr. Hawkins" wrote: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: >> Haiku had potential back when it was still BeOS and was being considered for >> Apple's replacement for what we now call Mac Classic. > > It would have been used, too, except that Be thought they had Apple > over a barrel. > > OK, they kind of did, but for that barrel price, Apple discovered that > they could buy Jobs, err, NeXT . . . which was for all intents and > purposes, the end of Be. > > > -- > Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From yoshino at sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 18 02:56:02 2012 From: yoshino at sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp (Takashi Yoshino) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:56:02 +0900 Subject: Android 4, post problem in detail Message-ID: <760C333F-4841-429E-A134-72577CCDF7A8@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> Dear LiveCode Experts, I need your help. I developed some software using LiveCode. Post program cannot work on Android 4.0.4. It is work on Android 3.2. I wrote a short script to check Post. I think POST program has some problems. Could you give some information? I need your help. -------- on mouseUp put empty into fld "test5" put "http://m3-shiga.yoslab.net/m3is_v4_debug/" into theServer post ("&kind=test2") to url theServer&"test.php?"&"function=test" put it into fld "test5" end mouseUp ------ PHP program --- References: <760C333F-4841-429E-A134-72577CCDF7A8@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <09D782E4-E2EC-4B4F-9C38-F6E3CE3398D6@sahores-conseil.com> Hi Takashi, Try : put "http://m3-shiga.yoslab.net/m3is_v4_debug/test.php" into MIAS get url MIAS & "?function=test" if it is not "" then ### parse your $_GET response end if set httpHeaders to "Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded" & return get url MIAS ### tip to be sure to wakeup the server ### post URLEncode("sudexpress=" & hexDigest("publicmclt") & "&query=activeDataSet") to URL MIAS ### sp?cifique sous-domaine : 4/5 ### if it is "" then ### parse your $_POST or $_POST_RAW response end if Don't try to get both the GET and POST replies from a single request. HTH, Pierre Le 18 nov. 2012 ? 08:56, Takashi Yoshino a ?crit : > Dear LiveCode Experts, > > I need your help. > > I developed some software using LiveCode. > > Post program cannot work on Android 4.0.4. > It is work on Android 3.2. > > I wrote a short script to check Post. > > I think POST program has some problems. > > Could you give some information? > I need your help. > > -------- > on mouseUp > put empty into fld "test5" > put "http://m3-shiga.yoslab.net/m3is_v4_debug/" into theServer > post ("&kind=test2") to url theServer&"test.php?"&"function=test" > put it into fld "test5" > end mouseUp > ------ > > PHP program > --- > > try { > > print_r ($_GET); > print_r ($_POST); > > } catch (Exception $e) { > echo 'Error!: ' . $e; > die(); > } > --- > > > My development environment is LC 5.5.3 > > > Best regards. > > > _.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ > Takashi Yoshino > http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/ > Tel: +81-73-457-8441 > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From sc at sahores-conseil.com Sun Nov 18 04:58:15 2012 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:58:15 +0100 Subject: Android 4, post problem in detail In-Reply-To: <760C333F-4841-429E-A134-72577CCDF7A8@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> References: <760C333F-4841-429E-A134-72577CCDF7A8@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <8746D8DA-A595-45C6-A2E9-37EB4C4DCC9B@sahores-conseil.com> Hi Takashi, Sorry for the error in previous post. Please, read : if it is not "" then ### parse your $_POST or $_POST_RAW response end if instead at line 11. Try : put "http://m3-shiga.yoslab.net/m3is_v4_debug/test.php" into MIAS get url MIAS & "?function=test" if it is not "" then ### parse your $_GET response end if set httpHeaders to "Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded" & return get url MIAS ### tip to be sure to wakeup the server ### post URLEncode("sudexpress=" & hexDigest("publicmclt") & "&query=activeDataSet") to URL MIAS ### sp?cifique sous-domaine : 4/5 ### if it is not "" then ### parse your $_POST or $_POST_RAW response end if Don't try to get both the GET and POST replies from a single request. HTH, Pierre Le 18 nov. 2012 ? 08:56, Takashi Yoshino a ?crit : > Dear LiveCode Experts, > > I need your help. > > I developed some software using LiveCode. > > Post program cannot work on Android 4.0.4. > It is work on Android 3.2. > > I wrote a short script to check Post. > > I think POST program has some problems. > > Could you give some information? > I need your help. > > -------- > on mouseUp > put empty into fld "test5" > put "http://m3-shiga.yoslab.net/m3is_v4_debug/" into theServer > post ("&kind=test2") to url theServer&"test.php?"&"function=test" > put it into fld "test5" > end mouseUp > ------ > > PHP program > --- > > try { > > print_r ($_GET); > print_r ($_POST); > > } catch (Exception $e) { > echo 'Error!: ' . $e; > die(); > } > --- > > > My development environment is LC 5.5.3 > > > Best regards. > > > _.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ > Takashi Yoshino > http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/ > Tel: +81-73-457-8441 > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From sc at sahores-conseil.com Sun Nov 18 05:03:03 2012 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:03:03 +0100 Subject: Android 4, post problem in detail In-Reply-To: <760C333F-4841-429E-A134-72577CCDF7A8@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> References: <760C333F-4841-429E-A134-72577CCDF7A8@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: Hi Takashi, Sorry for the error in previous post. Please, read : get url (MIAS & "?function=test") instead at line 3. Try : put "http://m3-shiga.yoslab.net/m3is_v4_debug/test.php" into MIAS get url (MIAS & "?function=test") if it is not "" then ### parse your $_GET response end if set httpHeaders to "Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded" & return get url MIAS ### tip to be sure to wakeup the server ### post URLEncode("sudexpress=" & hexDigest("publicmclt") & "&query=activeDataSet") to URL MIAS ### sp?cifique sous-domaine : 4/5 ### if it is not "" then ### parse your $_POST or $_POST_RAW response end if Don't try to get both the GET and POST replies from a single request. HTH, Pierre Le 18 nov. 2012 ? 08:56, Takashi Yoshino a ?crit : > Dear LiveCode Experts, > > I need your help. > > I developed some software using LiveCode. > > Post program cannot work on Android 4.0.4. > It is work on Android 3.2. > > I wrote a short script to check Post. > > I think POST program has some problems. > > Could you give some information? > I need your help. > > -------- > on mouseUp > put empty into fld "test5" > put "http://m3-shiga.yoslab.net/m3is_v4_debug/" into theServer > post ("&kind=test2") to url theServer&"test.php?"&"function=test" > put it into fld "test5" > end mouseUp > ------ > > PHP program > --- > > try { > > print_r ($_GET); > print_r ($_POST); > > } catch (Exception $e) { > echo 'Error!: ' . $e; > die(); > } > --- > > > My development environment is LC 5.5.3 > > > Best regards. > > > _.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ > Takashi Yoshino > http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/ > Tel: +81-73-457-8441 > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From sc at sahores-conseil.com Sun Nov 18 05:09:28 2012 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:09:28 +0100 Subject: Android 4, post problem in detail In-Reply-To: <760C333F-4841-429E-A134-72577CCDF7A8@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> References: <760C333F-4841-429E-A134-72577CCDF7A8@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <5D20FF0B-4383-41B6-B41E-67EC9E047B53@sahores-conseil.com> Hi Takashi, Sorry for the error in previous post. Please, read : post URLEncode("kind=test2") to URL MIAS instead at line 3. Try : put "http://m3-shiga.yoslab.net/m3is_v4_debug/test.php" into MIAS get url (MIAS & "?function=test") if it is not "" then ### parse your $_GET response end if set httpHeaders to "Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded" & return get url MIAS ### tip to be sure to wakeup the server ### post URLEncode("kind=test2") to URL MIAS if it is not "" then ### parse your $_POST or $_POST_RAW response end if Don't try to get both the GET and POST replies from a single request. Always put "(" and ")" around urls containting vars and quoted contents. HTH, Pierre Le 18 nov. 2012 ? 08:56, Takashi Yoshino a ?crit : > Dear LiveCode Experts, > > I need your help. > > I developed some software using LiveCode. > > Post program cannot work on Android 4.0.4. > It is work on Android 3.2. > > I wrote a short script to check Post. > > I think POST program has some problems. > > Could you give some information? > I need your help. > > -------- > on mouseUp > put empty into fld "test5" > put "http://m3-shiga.yoslab.net/m3is_v4_debug/" into theServer > post ("&kind=test2") to url theServer&"test.php?"&"function=test" > put it into fld "test5" > end mouseUp > ------ > > PHP program > --- > > try { > > print_r ($_GET); > print_r ($_POST); > > } catch (Exception $e) { > echo 'Error!: ' . $e; > die(); > } > --- > > > My development environment is LC 5.5.3 > > > Best regards. > > > _.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ > Takashi Yoshino > http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/ > Tel: +81-73-457-8441 > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Le 18 nov. 2012 ? 08:56, Takashi Yoshino a ?crit : > Dear LiveCode Experts, > > I need your help. > > I developed some software using LiveCode. > > Post program cannot work on Android 4.0.4. > It is work on Android 3.2. > > I wrote a short script to check Post. > > I think POST program has some problems. > > Could you give some information? > I need your help. > > -------- > on mouseUp > put empty into fld "test5" > put "http://m3-shiga.yoslab.net/m3is_v4_debug/" into theServer > post ("&kind=test2") to url theServer&"test.php?"&"function=test" > put it into fld "test5" > end mouseUp > ------ > > PHP program > --- > > try { > > print_r ($_GET); > print_r ($_POST); > > } catch (Exception $e) { > echo 'Error!: ' . $e; > die(); > } > --- > > > My development environment is LC 5.5.3 > > > Best regards. > > > _.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ > Takashi Yoshino > http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/ > Tel: +81-73-457-8441 > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From sc at sahores-conseil.com Sun Nov 18 05:12:50 2012 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:12:50 +0100 Subject: Android 4, post problem in detail In-Reply-To: <5D20FF0B-4383-41B6-B41E-67EC9E047B53@sahores-conseil.com> References: <760C333F-4841-429E-A134-72577CCDF7A8@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> <5D20FF0B-4383-41B6-B41E-67EC9E047B53@sahores-conseil.com> Message-ID: <562EE141-C794-471A-9B72-800A55127456@sahores-conseil.com> Hi Takashi, Sorry for the error in previous post. Please, read : post URLEncode("kind=test2") to URL MIAS instead at line 8. Try : put "http://m3-shiga.yoslab.net/m3is_v4_debug/test.php" into MIAS get url (MIAS & "?function=test") if it is not "" then ### parse your $_GET response end if set httpHeaders to "Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded" & return get url MIAS ### tip to be sure to wakeup the server ### post URLEncode("kind=test2") to URL MIAS if it is not "" then ### parse your $_POST or $_POST_RAW response end if Don't try to get both the GET and POST replies from a single request. Always put "(" and ")" around urls containting vars and quoted contents. HTH, Pierre -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From pete at lcsql.com Sun Nov 18 09:03:27 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:03:27 -0800 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: <50A83E01.2050705@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> <50A5B061.30704@hyperactivesw.com> <50A7D1E5.10402@hyperactivesw.com> <50A83E01.2050705@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Hi Jacque, I'm converted! Just not quite 100% there yet. If I'm not mistaken, I have the same right justification problem if I use a standard table. I'd like to use the para style properties because no scrolling issues that way. I wonder if I can simulate the right justification.. maybe put the text into a hidden field, get its formatted width then somehow position it up against the tab on the right. I'm not using a monospaced font but perhaps that could be made to work somehow. Pete lcSQL Software On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/17/12 6:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> Cool,that works well for what I want to do. I have one remaining issue >> though. I have set tab stops and the xGrid properties to make it look >> like >> a table, but I need one of the columns to be right-justified and I don;t >> think I can do that with this method since the textALign property applies >> to the whole line. >> >> May be I need to look at the more complex, arraybased, styledText >> property? >> > > The array is just a different representation of what you can do with the > individual commands. But you're right, alignment is paragraph-only, you > can't apply it to tabs. Sigh. And here I'd almost converted you. :( > > Back in the olden days when we had no other choice, we'd use a monospaced > font and add spaces to simulate column alignment. That's not so impressive > any more, though in some cases it still works. > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From janschenkel at yahoo.com Sun Nov 18 09:33:12 2012 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:33:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Non-blocking URL commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1353249192.34349.YahooMailNeo@web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Andrew, I took a stab at an asynchronous HTTP library a while back. You can download the current version at: Note that it is?based on raw socket communication so only available for the desktop engines, not the mobile or server engines. And it is by no means feature-complete; I've been experimenting with authentication but that stuff isn't ready just yet. If you find it useful, and wish to collaborate on its development, join the Quartam forums at Cheers, Jan Schenkel. ? ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Kluthe To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 10:30 PM Subject: Non-blocking URL commands Man oh man, wouldn't it be nice to have a non-blocking http implementation in livecode? Certain REST api calls with some services I use can lock and crash my applications if it takes to long to get a full response. Has this ever been something runrev has mentioned or talked about? -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pmbrig at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 09:39:02 2012 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:39:02 -0500 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: References: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> <50A5B061.30704@hyperactivesw.com> <50A7D1E5.10402@hyperactivesw.com> <50A83E01.2050705@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Maybe an extra right-justified field covering the column in question, set to scroll with the main field. There have been a number of posting in the past re getting two fields to scroll in unison, see the archives. More complicated but quite do-able. Keep in mind that you can set the scroll of an field even if it has no scrollbars. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Nov 18, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Hi Jacque, > I'm converted! Just not quite 100% there yet. If I'm not mistaken, I have > the same right justification problem if I use a standard table. > > I'd like to use the para style properties because no scrolling issues that > way. I wonder if I can simulate the right justification.. maybe put the > text into a hidden field, get its formatted width then somehow position it > up against the tab on the right. I'm not using a monospaced font but > perhaps that could be made to work somehow. > > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> On 11/17/12 6:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: >> >>> Cool,that works well for what I want to do. I have one remaining issue >>> though. I have set tab stops and the xGrid properties to make it look >>> like >>> a table, but I need one of the columns to be right-justified and I don;t >>> think I can do that with this method since the textALign property applies >>> to the whole line. >>> >>> May be I need to look at the more complex, arraybased, styledText >>> property? >>> >> >> The array is just a different representation of what you can do with the >> individual commands. But you're right, alignment is paragraph-only, you >> can't apply it to tabs. Sigh. And here I'd almost converted you. :( >> >> Back in the olden days when we had no other choice, we'd use a monospaced >> font and add spaces to simulate column alignment. That's not so impressive >> any more, though in some cases it still works. >> >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From yoshino at sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp Sun Nov 18 10:47:39 2012 From: yoshino at sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp (Takashi Yoshino) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 00:47:39 +0900 Subject: Android 4, post problem in detail In-Reply-To: <562EE141-C794-471A-9B72-800A55127456@sahores-conseil.com> References: <760C333F-4841-429E-A134-72577CCDF7A8@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> <5D20FF0B-4383-41B6-B41E-67EC9E047B53@sahores-conseil.com> <562EE141-C794-471A-9B72-800A55127456@sahores-conseil.com> Message-ID: Hi Pierre, Thank you for your information. I can use Post script. But I found that Post action of Android 3 and Android 4 is different. Anyway, best regard for your information. I can continue my programming. _.__ ._ _. ._ ._.__ .. ._._. _._ . ..__ ._.__ ._._. ___. .._ __.. __ .._ Takashi Yoshino http://www.wakayama-u.ac.jp/~yoshino/lab/ Tel: +81-73-457-8441 On 2012/11/18, at 19:12, Pierre Sahores wrote: > Hi Takashi, > > Sorry for the error in previous post. Please, read : > > post URLEncode("kind=test2") to URL MIAS > > instead at line 8. > > > Try : > > put "http://m3-shiga.yoslab.net/m3is_v4_debug/test.php" into MIAS > > get url (MIAS & "?function=test") > if it is not "" then > ### parse your $_GET response > end if > > set httpHeaders to "Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded" & return > get url MIAS ### tip to be sure to wakeup the server ### > post URLEncode("kind=test2") to URL MIAS > if it is not "" then > ### parse your $_POST or $_POST_RAW response > end if > > Don't try to get both the GET and POST replies from a single request. > Always put "(" and ")" around urls containting vars and quoted contents. > > HTH, > > Pierre > > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 11:37:05 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:37:05 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? Message-ID: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> In 4.5 if I have something that goes like this in a button: on mouseup answer "disabled in DEMO" --do something fancy end mouseUp the answer message comes up with a RunRev icon from version 2. I am wondering how to replace that badge with either: 1. nothing, or 2. an icon of my choice. Richmond. From dochawk at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 12:17:36 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:17:36 -0800 Subject: using send to "multi-task" ? [was: Non-blocking URL commands] Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > It means other scripts can run but the script executing the post is blocked waiting for it >to return. It's how your users manage to execute other things while the http request is >going on. Disable anything you don't want them to do while waiting. Wait a minute--does this mean we have a substitute for multi-threading or multi-tasking? I have an issue when using a remote database. When leaving a field, the db is updated, but the lag can be a second or two, preventing the user from moving to the next field. So if instead of "doing it," I send doit to field somefield in 1 ms the user could be happily typing away? However, if I'm reading things right, "send" won't travel up the message path or be passed, while "dispatch" will--but dispatch doesn't have an "in time" available. perhaps send startit to somefield in 1 ms and a handler of on startit dispatch finishit to the target end startit (closeField is often partly handled and then passed from field or group to card and even stack) -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From dochawk at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 12:37:05 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:37:05 -0800 Subject: http://www.haiku-os.org/ In-Reply-To: <950EA51A-9F63-4A56-B20A-C960EB4F2349@kagi.com> References: <50A6B139.2070603@fourthworld.com> <950EA51A-9F63-4A56-B20A-C960EB4F2349@kagi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM, kee nethery wrote: > My understanding was that BeOS had few drivers and few protocol stacks whereas > the NeXT Mach version of Unix had everything. BeOS was very shiny but not full >featured. Unix rugged robust reliable but not sexy. From what I recall, it was not price, it >was time to market with an OS that could match the functionality of Mac OS 9 plus be >so much more. And, think of all the apps already available for Unix as compared to >BeOS. After some fumbling around, it seems that apple initially offered about $50M, eventually going to $125M (?!?!?!) for Be, Gass?e holding out for $200M, stockholder Jobs called CEO Amelio to warn not to buy it, leading to discussions about licensing OpenStep, which turned ultimately into the purchase of NeXT--without even a board seat for Jobs. $429M in cash, stock, and debt assumption. Amelio later said that he'd overpaid, but that amount should probably be split as something like half for NeXT, and half for repurchasing Jobs . . . > > BeOS was very cool, very nice, but it was missing a ton of functionality in day to day getting stuff done. Plus Gasse is a good salesman but not the equal to Jobs. No one talks about a Gasse Reality Distortion Field. > > Kee > > On Nov 17, 2012, at 5:27 PM, "Dr. Hawkins" wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Richard Gaskin >> wrote: >>> Haiku had potential back when it was still BeOS and was being considered for >>> Apple's replacement for what we now call Mac Classic. >> >> It would have been used, too, except that Be thought they had Apple >> over a barrel. >> >> OK, they kind of did, but for that barrel price, Apple discovered that >> they could buy Jobs, err, NeXT . . . which was for all intents and >> purposes, the end of Be. >> >> >> -- >> Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. >> (702) 508-8462 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Nov 18 13:04:59 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:04:59 +0100 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Richmond, You need to set the gRevAppIcon and the gRevSmallAppIcon to an existing ID number of an image control. You can also use the commands answer error, answer information, answer question and answer warning. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 18 nov 2012, at 17:37, Richmond wrote: > In 4.5 if I have something that goes like this in a button: > > on mouseup > answer "disabled in DEMO" > --do something fancy > end mouseUp > > the answer message comes up with a RunRev icon from version 2. > > I am wondering how to replace that badge with either: > > 1. nothing, > > or > > 2. an icon of my choice. > > Richmond. From pmbrig at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 13:05:32 2012 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:05:32 -0500 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> Message-ID: You can set the global variables gRevAppIcon and gRevSmallAppIcon. Here's a handler that I use. Substitute the id of the images you want to display at the beginning of the handler. The icons seem to be reset at idle, so you have to call the setUpIcons handler before every "answer?" command. on setUpIcons global gRevAppIcon,gRevSmallAppIcon put 2241 into gRevAppIcon put 2242 into gRevSmallAppIcon if the platform = "MacOS" then set the textfont of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Ask Dialog" to "Charcoal" set the textfont of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Answer Dialog" to "Charcoal" set the textsize of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Ask Dialog" to "14" set the textsize of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Answer Dialog" to "14" set the textstyle of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Ask Dialog" to "plain" set the textstyle of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Answer Dialog" to "plain" set the foregroundcolor of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Ask Dialog" to "black" set the foregroundcolor of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Answer Dialog" to "black" else set the textfont of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Ask Dialog" to "Arial" set the textfont of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Answer Dialog" to "Arial" set the textsize of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Ask Dialog" to "14" set the textsize of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Answer Dialog" to "14" set the textstyle of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Ask Dialog" to "bold" set the textstyle of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Answer Dialog" to "bold" set the foregroundcolor of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Ask Dialog" to "black" set the foregroundcolor of fld id 1006 of card 1 of stack "Answer Dialog" to "black" end if end setUpIcons -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Nov 18, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Richmond wrote: > In 4.5 if I have something that goes like this in a button: > > on mouseup > answer "disabled in DEMO" > --do something fancy > end mouseUp > > the answer message comes up with a RunRev icon from version 2. > > I am wondering how to replace that badge with either: > > 1. nothing, > > or > > 2. an icon of my choice. > > Richmond. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 13:27:58 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:27:58 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <50A928AE.1060305@gmail.com> On 11/18/2012 08:04 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Richmond, > > You need to set the gRevAppIcon and the gRevSmallAppIcon to an existing ID number of an image control. You can also use the commands answer error, answer information, answer question and answer warning. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > So, I made a PNG image and imported it into the first card of my stack. The Prefs palette told me the img ID was 5485. In my openStack script I wrote this; put 5485 into gRevAppIcon put 5485 into gRevSmallAppIcon with no joy . . . BECAUSE what I had overlooked was to write this: global gRevAppIcon right before the other lines. Thanks so much for your help. Richmond. From andrew at ctech.me Sun Nov 18 13:56:01 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:56:01 -0600 Subject: Non-blocking URL commands In-Reply-To: <1353249192.34349.YahooMailNeo@web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1353249192.34349.YahooMailNeo@web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Going to check this out. I am only really looking for desktop support for now, but I was looking at libRevCurl from the late Mark Smith. Let me take a look at this. It certainly looks promising. Kind regards, Andrew On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > I took a stab at an asynchronous HTTP library a while back. > You can download the current version at: > Note that it is based on raw socket communication so only available for the desktop engines, not the mobile or server engines. > And it is by no means feature-complete; I've been experimenting with authentication but that stuff isn't ready just yet. > If you find it useful, and wish to collaborate on its development, join the Quartam forums at > > Cheers, > > Jan Schenkel. > > ===== > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode > www.quartam.com > > > ===== > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrew Kluthe > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 10:30 PM > Subject: Non-blocking URL commands > > Man oh man, wouldn't it be nice to have a non-blocking http > implementation in livecode? Certain REST api calls with some services > I use can lock and crash my applications if it takes to long to get a > full response. Has this ever been something runrev has mentioned or > talked about? > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > andrew at ctech.me > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From andrew at ctech.me Sun Nov 18 14:36:05 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:36:05 -0600 Subject: Non-blocking URL commands In-Reply-To: References: <1353249192.34349.YahooMailNeo@web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jan, Is there an equivalent to libUrlSetSSLVerification false with your library? The rest interface I want to run some tests against uses SSL, but the only workaround I had with rev to get it to work on certain machines was to do that. Andrew On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Going to check this out. I am only really looking for desktop support > for now, but I was looking at libRevCurl from the late Mark Smith. Let > me take a look at this. It certainly looks promising. > > Kind regards, > > Andrew > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: >> Hi Andrew, >> >> I took a stab at an asynchronous HTTP library a while back. >> You can download the current version at: >> Note that it is based on raw socket communication so only available for the desktop engines, not the mobile or server engines. >> And it is by no means feature-complete; I've been experimenting with authentication but that stuff isn't ready just yet. >> If you find it useful, and wish to collaborate on its development, join the Quartam forums at >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jan Schenkel. >> >> ===== >> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode >> www.quartam.com >> >> >> ===== >> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Andrew Kluthe >> To: How to use LiveCode >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 10:30 PM >> Subject: Non-blocking URL commands >> >> Man oh man, wouldn't it be nice to have a non-blocking http >> implementation in livecode? Certain REST api calls with some services >> I use can lock and crash my applications if it takes to long to get a >> full response. Has this ever been something runrev has mentioned or >> talked about? >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Andrew Kluthe >> andrew at ctech.me >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > andrew at ctech.me -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From effendi at wanadoo.fr Sun Nov 18 15:21:03 2012 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 21:21:03 +0100 Subject: Running Livecode apps on Microsoft Surface Message-ID: Hi from Beautiful Brittany, I may have gone for an iPad, except that there was never any way of running native LiveCode on it (I mean under OS X). IOS and Android are certainly not my cup of tea ! It seems that "Surface" can run Vista apps. Does this mean that I can run Livecode apps (suitably reduced in window size) on a Surface tablet ? -Francis From janschenkel at yahoo.com Sun Nov 18 15:39:12 2012 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:39:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Non-blocking URL commands In-Reply-To: References: <1353249192.34349.YahooMailNeo@web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1353271152.99939.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yup, it should work pretty much the same and is called (rather unimaginatively): qrtHTTP_SetSSLVerification [true|false] HTH, Jan Schenkel.? ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Kluthe To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Non-blocking URL commands Jan, Is there an equivalent to libUrlSetSSLVerification false with your library? The rest interface I want to run some tests against uses SSL, but the only workaround I had with rev to get it to work on certain machines was to do that. Andrew On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Going to check this out. I am only really looking for desktop support > for now, but I was looking at libRevCurl from the late Mark Smith. Let > me take a look at this. It certainly looks promising. > > Kind regards, > > Andrew > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: >> Hi Andrew, >> >> I took a stab at an asynchronous HTTP library a while back. >> You can download the current version at: >> Note that it is based on raw socket communication so only available for the desktop engines, not the mobile or server engines. >> And it is by no means feature-complete; I've been experimenting with authentication but that stuff isn't ready just yet. >> If you find it useful, and wish to collaborate on its development, join the Quartam forums at >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jan Schenkel. >> >> ===== >> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode >> www.quartam.com >> >> >> ===== >> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."? (La Rochefoucauld) >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Andrew Kluthe >> To: How to use LiveCode >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 10:30 PM >> Subject: Non-blocking URL commands >> >> Man oh man, wouldn't it be nice to have a non-blocking http >> implementation in livecode? Certain REST api calls with some services >> I use can lock and crash my applications if it takes to long to get a >> full response. Has this ever been something runrev has mentioned or >> talked about? >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Andrew Kluthe >> andrew at ctech.me >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > andrew at ctech.me -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Sun Nov 18 16:14:18 2012 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:14:18 -0500 Subject: Running Livecode apps on Microsoft Surface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are two flavors of Surface. The ARM platform has no LC support, obviously. But the Surface Pro (i5 platform) is a standard PC in a tablet format, and therefore should be capable of running standard desktop applications made with LiveCode. ~Roger On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > Hi from Beautiful Brittany, > > I may have gone for an iPad, except that there > was never any way of running native LiveCode > on it (I mean under OS X). IOS and Android are > certainly not my cup of tea ! > It seems that "Surface" can run Vista apps. > Does this mean that I can run Livecode apps > (suitably reduced in window size) on a Surface > tablet ? > > -Francis > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From michael-kristensen at dsa-net.dk Mon Nov 19 05:55:48 2012 From: michael-kristensen at dsa-net.dk (Michael Kristensen) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:55:48 +0100 Subject: Sharing a little stack Message-ID: Hi there This little stack demonstrate resizing a rectangle in any direction Its also an exersice in calculating pendicular lines http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13399 Michael From martin.honeywill at kinesys.co.uk Mon Nov 19 07:05:04 2012 From: martin.honeywill at kinesys.co.uk (Martin Honeywill) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:05:04 +0000 Subject: Livecode Book 60% off until Nov 30th Message-ID: http://goo.gl/g6xWQ Cheers Martin Honeywill From rene.micout at numericable.com Mon Nov 19 08:29:46 2012 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:29:46 +0100 Subject: Livecode Book 60% off until Nov 30th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <768F967F-8DB6-4B7E-91E1-716B965F375B@numericable.com> Too late... :-( Le 19 nov. 2012 ? 13:05, Martin Honeywill a ?crit : > http://goo.gl/g6xWQ > > Cheers > > Martin Honeywill > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From skip at magicgate.com Mon Nov 19 09:25:24 2012 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:25:24 -0500 Subject: Livecode Book 60% off until Nov 30th In-Reply-To: <768F967F-8DB6-4B7E-91E1-716B965F375B@numericable.com> References: <768F967F-8DB6-4B7E-91E1-716B965F375B@numericable.com> Message-ID: Too bad their discounts are only good for their eBook versions. I am thinking I need a hard copy in my collection as well! SKIP On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Too late... :-( > > Le 19 nov. 2012 ? 13:05, Martin Honeywill > a ?crit : > > > http://goo.gl/g6xWQ > > > > Cheers > > > > Martin Honeywill > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From andrew at ctech.me Mon Nov 19 11:19:20 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:19:20 -0600 Subject: Non-blocking URL commands In-Reply-To: <1353271152.99939.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1353249192.34349.YahooMailNeo@web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1353271152.99939.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hmmm. I gave that a whirl and am still getting an empty payload on windows 7 (the only machine I have 5.5 on, I might try saving it to legacy format and giving it a whirl on another machine). Do I have to configure some kind of SSL Cert to use SSL even when it's unverified? It isn't super important that I get this working right now, but in the future it could save me some headaches of wrapping around CURL. I wish I were more familiar with socket programming in rev and socket programming in general. What I really need to do is write a native MongoDB driver for livecode, so I don't have to use a REST interface. The specifications are laid out very nicely, but unfortunately it is just outside of my current skillset. Kind regards, Andrew On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > Yup, it should work pretty much the same and is called (rather unimaginatively): > qrtHTTP_SetSSLVerification [true|false] > > HTH, > > Jan Schenkel. > ===== > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode > www.quartam.com > > > ===== > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrew Kluthe > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:36 PM > Subject: Re: Non-blocking URL commands > > Jan, > > Is there an equivalent to libUrlSetSSLVerification false with your > library? The rest interface I want to run some tests against uses SSL, > but the only workaround I had with rev to get it to work on certain > machines was to do that. > > Andrew > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: >> Going to check this out. I am only really looking for desktop support >> for now, but I was looking at libRevCurl from the late Mark Smith. Let >> me take a look at this. It certainly looks promising. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Andrew >> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: >>> Hi Andrew, >>> >>> I took a stab at an asynchronous HTTP library a while back. >>> You can download the current version at: >>> Note that it is based on raw socket communication so only available for the desktop engines, not the mobile or server engines. >>> And it is by no means feature-complete; I've been experimenting with authentication but that stuff isn't ready just yet. >>> If you find it useful, and wish to collaborate on its development, join the Quartam forums at >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Jan Schenkel. >>> >>> ===== >>> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode >>> www.quartam.com >>> >>> >>> ===== >>> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Andrew Kluthe >>> To: How to use LiveCode >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 10:30 PM >>> Subject: Non-blocking URL commands >>> >>> Man oh man, wouldn't it be nice to have a non-blocking http >>> implementation in livecode? Certain REST api calls with some services >>> I use can lock and crash my applications if it takes to long to get a >>> full response. Has this ever been something runrev has mentioned or >>> talked about? >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Andrew Kluthe >>> andrew at ctech.me >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Andrew Kluthe >> andrew at ctech.me > > > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > andrew at ctech.me > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon Nov 19 11:20:14 2012 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:20:14 +0000 Subject: Sharing a little stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AED3D3F@Peas2.byu.local> Very slick, Michael. Thanks for sharing! Devin On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:55 AM, Michael Kristensen wrote: > Hi there > > This little stack demonstrate resizing a rectangle in any direction > > Its also an exersice in calculating pendicular lines > > http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13399 > > Michael > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Nov 19 11:45:13 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:45:13 -0600 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: References: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> <50A5B061.30704@hyperactivesw.com> <50A7D1E5.10402@hyperactivesw.com> <50A83E01.2050705@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50AA6219.4090301@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/18/12 8:03 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Hi Jacque, > I'm converted! Just not quite 100% there yet. If I'm not mistaken, I have > the same right justification problem if I use a standard table. > > I'd like to use the para style properties because no scrolling issues that > way. I wonder if I can simulate the right justification.. maybe put the > text into a hidden field, get its formatted width then somehow position it > up against the tab on the right. I'm not using a monospaced font but > perhaps that could be made to work somehow. If you do go with a monospaced font, the alignment isn't too hard. For the right-aligned columns, just run the content through this ancient HC function before putting it into the field: function rightAlign theText,theWidth -- width of column in chars put char 1 to theWidth of theText into theText put char 1 to (theWidth-length of theText) of " " before theText -- or "after" for left-aligned return theText end rightAlign Use enough spaces between the quotes to cover the column width, for worst cases. Or there's probably a better way now using the format function. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Nov 19 12:08:36 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Non-blocking URL commands References: <1353249192.34349.YahooMailNeo@web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1353271152.99939.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Andrew Kluthe writes: > I wish I were more familiar with socket programming in rev and socket > programming in general. What I really need to do is write a native > MongoDB driver for livecode, so I don't have to use a REST interface. > The specifications are laid out very nicely, but unfortunately it is > just outside of my current skillset. I have a fledgling LC MongoDB library, but it isn't polished enough yet for revOnline. I took the easy way out and used the commandline interface, though. btw - thanks for the pointer to the 10gen class. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Nov 19 12:18:48 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:18:48 -0800 Subject: Non-blocking URL commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50AA69F8.7040107@fourthworld.com> Mark Wieder wrote: > I have a fledgling LC MongoDB library, but it isn't polished enough yet for > revOnline. I took the easy way out and used the commandline interface, though. That's pretty exciting. While I haven't used MongoDB much myself yet, I've been spending a fair bit of time reading its documentation and find it quite interesting; I've even modeled a smaller, simpler data store on some of its concepts. Please do post a note here if/when you post it to RevOnline. If I need to scale my store up to use MongoDB, no doubt your library will be invaluable. In fact, the more I think about it the more I can't help but wonder if such a library may have some commercial value. Probably not many would need it, but those who would be choosing MongoDB are probably working on substantial systems and perhaps be willing to help offset some of the development costs for the time you're saving them. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From andrew at ctech.me Mon Nov 19 12:19:36 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:19:36 -0600 Subject: Non-blocking URL commands In-Reply-To: References: <1353249192.34349.YahooMailNeo@web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1353271152.99939.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ooOooo. :) Let me know if I can lend a hand down the road. We use mongoDB for some of our farm management software because of the handy geospacial features. If it helps you or anyone else, I have a library that wraps around MongoLab's REST interface. Mongolab has really excellent support and is the fastest way I have seen to get a database application rolling not to mention they give you 500mb of storage for free Regards, Andrew On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Andrew Kluthe writes: > >> I wish I were more familiar with socket programming in rev and socket >> programming in general. What I really need to do is write a native >> MongoDB driver for livecode, so I don't have to use a REST interface. >> The specifications are laid out very nicely, but unfortunately it is >> just outside of my current skillset. > > I have a fledgling LC MongoDB library, but it isn't polished enough yet for > revOnline. I took the easy way out and used the commandline interface, though. > > btw - thanks for the pointer to the 10gen class. > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From effendi at wanadoo.fr Mon Nov 19 13:49:33 2012 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:49:33 +0100 Subject: Running Livecode apps on Microsoft Surface Message-ID: <4290F407-6073-4396-923D-89A6A9AC080D@wanadoo.fr> Hi from somewhere in Brittany, Roger wrote : > But the Surface Pro (i5 platform) ?.. and therefore should > be capable of running standard desktop > applications made with LiveCode. Thanks Roger. Whaddya know. After 25 years of Macs, I may be buying me a Microsoft Surface Pro ??.. (I don't like the way Apple is going anyway !) -Francis From pete at lcsql.com Mon Nov 19 13:54:05 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:54:05 -0800 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: <50AA6219.4090301@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> <50A5B061.30704@hyperactivesw.com> <50A7D1E5.10402@hyperactivesw.com> <50A83E01.2050705@hyperactivesw.com> <50AA6219.4090301@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I'm almost afraid to say this but itlooks like this is pretty easy to do with variable spaced fonts too. I did a simple test with an input field, an output scrolling list field, and a button with the following code: on mouseUp put the hilitedLine of field "Output" into tLine put the formattedwidth of field "Input" into tWidthIn put 100 into tWidthOut subtract tWidthIn from tWidthOut set the tabstops of line tline of field "Output" to tWidthOut & comma & 100 put tab & field "Input"& tab & tLine into line tLine of field "Output" end mouseUp The text in the input field ended up right justified in the the hilited line of the scrolling list field. I'll no doubt have to deal with some corner cases but I think I have right justified columns in my scrolling list field. Very cool! Pete lcSQL Software On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:45 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > If you do go with a monospaced font, the alignment isn't too hard. For the > right-aligned columns, just run the content through this ancient HC > function before putting it into the field: > > function rightAlign theText,theWidth -- width of column in chars > put char 1 to theWidth of theText into theText > put char 1 to (theWidth-length of theText) of " " > before theText -- or "after" for left-aligned > return theText > end rightAlign > > Use enough spaces between the quotes to cover the column width, for worst > cases. > > Or there's probably a better way now using the format function. > From andrew at ctech.me Mon Nov 19 14:14:04 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:14:04 -0600 Subject: Running Livecode apps on Microsoft Surface In-Reply-To: <4290F407-6073-4396-923D-89A6A9AC080D@wanadoo.fr> References: <4290F407-6073-4396-923D-89A6A9AC080D@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: Hmmm, I don't think the Surface with Windows 8 Pro on it comes out until early next year though. http://reviews.cnet.com/microsoft-surface-pro/ Has the skinny. On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > Hi from somewhere in Brittany, > > Roger wrote : > >> But the Surface Pro (i5 platform) ?.. and therefore should >> be capable of running standard desktop >> applications made with LiveCode. > > Thanks Roger. > > Whaddya know. After 25 years of Macs, I may > be buying me a Microsoft Surface Pro ??.. > > (I don't like the way Apple is going anyway !) > > -Francis > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Mon Nov 19 14:23:08 2012 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:23:08 -0500 Subject: Running Livecode apps on Microsoft Surface In-Reply-To: References: <4290F407-6073-4396-923D-89A6A9AC080D@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: True, but January isn't very far away. While waiting, there are still reviews of the new platform popping up. Here's one only 3 hours old (you can still smell the digital ink). :) http://bgr.com/2012/11/19/microsoft-surface-review-month-one/ And for anyone who hasn't seen the keynote intro of the Surface, it's on YouTube in 3 parts, and is well worth watching. The MS team did a great job engineering this new product, imho. I guess we can stop saying MS is a 'software' company, when comparing them to Apple. ~Roger On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Hmmm, I don't think the Surface with Windows 8 Pro on it comes out > until early next year though. > > http://reviews.cnet.com/microsoft-surface-pro/ > > Has the skinny. > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon > wrote: > > Hi from somewhere in Brittany, > > > > Roger wrote : > > > >> But the Surface Pro (i5 platform) ?.. and therefore should > >> be capable of running standard desktop > >> applications made with LiveCode. > > > > Thanks Roger. > > > > Whaddya know. After 25 years of Macs, I may > > be buying me a Microsoft Surface Pro ??.. > > > > (I don't like the way Apple is going anyway !) > > > > -Francis > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > andrew at ctech.me > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From slylabs13 at me.com Mon Nov 19 14:40:09 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:40:09 -1000 Subject: using send to "multi-task" ? [was: Non-blocking URL commands] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F5BBC08-1A89-4BBE-98C7-F28BEA1F4295@me.com> No that isn't how it works. That is what I thought as well. Send in time really means "do this after you have done everything else that is not send in time". The command will still be a blocking command. If you really want asynchronous database processing, save your query to a text file, then have a standalone monitor and read the text file read only, processing the query and deleting the text file when done. Have you app check for the existence of the text file first before creating it to avoid overwriting a previous query. Have your standalone create an error text file and check for that also before your app saves. It's a bit of a hack I know, but you'd be surprised how many back side integrations with online databases work this way. Bob On Nov 18, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Monte Goulding > wrote: >> It means other scripts can run but the script executing the post is blocked waiting for it >> to return. It's how your users manage to execute other things while the http request is >> going on. Disable anything you don't want them to do while waiting. > > Wait a minute--does this mean we have a substitute for multi-threading > or multi-tasking? > > I have an issue when using a remote database. When leaving a field, > the db is updated, but the lag can be a second or two, preventing the > user from moving to the next field. > > So if instead of "doing it," I > > send doit to field somefield in 1 ms > > the user could be happily typing away? > > However, if I'm reading things right, "send" won't travel up the > message path or be passed, while "dispatch" will--but dispatch doesn't > have an "in time" available. > > perhaps > > send startit to somefield in 1 ms > > and a handler of > > on startit > dispatch finishit to the target > end startit > > (closeField is often partly handled and then passed from field or > group to card and even stack) > > > > > -- > Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Mon Nov 19 14:44:51 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:44:51 -1000 Subject: http://www.haiku-os.org/ In-Reply-To: References: <50A6B139.2070603@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <53A84F50-95C9-4577-AF8A-5B9D77901A72@me.com> As I recall, BeOS ran into that catch 2 all new OSs must face, and that is how to get developers on board to write versions for their OS. Unless they do that, the OS dev must provide titles for the basics like word processing, spreadsheet and graphics, but they titles cannot be so good as to prevent a developer from competing, and there has to be a compelling reason for a developer to invest. It's a hard sell. New OSes fail for pretty much the same reason new political parties fail. Someone else got there first and almost everybody is fully invested in one or the other already. CHEESE! Bob On Nov 17, 2012, at 1:18 PM, David C. wrote: > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: >> I have a soft spot for Haiku. >> >> I used to run BeOS R5, then I went to Zeta and now Haiku. I was a member of >> BUG-Br (Brazilian BeOS User Group), I've met YellowTAB CEO, am friend of a >> former kernel engineer and been a Google Summer of Code student for the >> Haiku Project. During the GSoC, I was tasked to create a little network >> control panel for Haiku. It was not my best creation and I wish I could >> work more on it. Anyway, check the picture below: >> >> http://fon.nu/8EJF5CL >> >> My name and preflet still there. >> >> =D > > That's awesome, Andre! > I too really liked BeOS and had great hopes for it... was really > disappointed when the company went down the tube. > I've tried Haiku a few times, but not recently... now have the latest > version downloaded and will take it for another test spin. > > Thanks for the reminder, folks! > > Regards, > DavidC. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From gwjapp at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 15:14:48 2012 From: gwjapp at gmail.com (Gabriel Johnson) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:14:48 -0500 Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host address", other internet functions work correctly Message-ID: Hi All, We are having a baffling problem with the standard URL function not working on one of our machines. Message Box Example: put url "http://www.google.com" returns empty. If altered slightly to give more feedback, then: put url "http://www.google.com" into htmlText; put the result returns "invalid host address" in the message box. Here are some things we've tried and the results: 1. Other internet applications run fine on the computer. Firefox/Safari load www.google.com just fine 2. Older versions of LiveCode, which had previously worked, now fail with the url command 3. Creating a dummy user account and running LiveCode fresh causes the url command to work 4. Other LiveCode internet commands/functions work fine: hostnametoaddress(), liburl functions 5. Zapping the PRAM caused the url function to work one of the times we tried it, for a limited period of time. So, it seems to be something very specific to the url function (at least with http requests) on this one user account that is failing. It appears it might be something corrupt in the user library. A first thought we had was to remove all LiveCode items from the user Library and start from scratch on the original user account. However, I'm not sure if we removed everything. We removed the "RunRev" folder from Application Support, and the following 4 preference files: com.runrev.livecode.plist, com.runrev.revinstaller.plist, com.runrev.revolution.plist, com.runrev.revolution.plist.saved. Are there some other items from the user Library/etc we need to remove to completely uninstall LiveCode from the original user account? Does anyone know any more about the http url function in general? Is there some other process/function in sits on top of that I could look at to figure out why this specific user account causes it to fail? Thanks Gabe From kee at kagi.com Mon Nov 19 15:57:10 2012 From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:57:10 -0800 Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host address", other internet functions work correctly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Within the past many months I've had URLs not acquire an IP address on the first try. When I retry, they acquire the IP. I've thought it was our DNS being slow to respond. I've thought perhaps it was my machine being impatient with DNS lookups. It occurs to me that mostly it is when my LiveCode app is trying to look up a DNS entry to grab a config file to ensure it is the latest code running. Could be the livecode DNS lookup routine is impatient. Could be it should be waiting a tad longer for a DNS response and it isn't. Might be a bug in LiveCode. Just a thought, Kee Nethery On Nov 19, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Gabriel Johnson wrote: > Hi All, > > We are having a baffling problem with the standard URL function not working > on one of our machines. > > Message Box Example: > > put url "http://www.google.com" > > returns empty. > > > If altered slightly to give more feedback, then: > > put url "http://www.google.com" into htmlText; put the result > > returns "invalid host address" in the message box. > > > Here are some things we've tried and the results: > > 1. Other internet applications run fine on the computer. Firefox/Safari > load www.google.com just fine > 2. Older versions of LiveCode, which had previously worked, now fail with > the url command > 3. Creating a dummy user account and running LiveCode fresh causes the url > command to work > 4. Other LiveCode internet commands/functions work > fine: hostnametoaddress(), liburl functions > 5. Zapping the PRAM caused the url function to work one of the times we > tried it, for a limited period of time. > > So, it seems to be something very specific to the url function (at least > with http requests) on this one user account that is failing. It appears it > might be something corrupt in the user library. A first thought we had was > to remove all LiveCode items from the user Library and start from scratch > on the original user account. However, I'm not sure if we removed > everything. We removed the "RunRev" folder from Application Support, and > the following 4 preference files: com.runrev.livecode.plist, > com.runrev.revinstaller.plist, com.runrev.revolution.plist, > com.runrev.revolution.plist.saved. > Are there some other items from the user Library/etc we need to remove to > completely uninstall LiveCode from the original user account? > > Does anyone know any more about the http url function in general? Is there > some other process/function in sits on top of that I could look at to > figure out why this specific user account causes it to fail? > > Thanks > > Gabe > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 16:13:49 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:13:49 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <50A928AE.1060305@gmail.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50A928AE.1060305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50AAA10D.8010005@gmail.com> On 11/18/2012 08:27 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 11/18/2012 08:04 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: >> Hi Richmond, >> You need to set the gRevAppIcon and the gRevSmallAppIcon to an >> existing ID number of an image control. You can also use the commands >> answer error, answer information, answer question and answer warning. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Schonewille >> >> > > So, I made a PNG image and imported it into the first card of my stack. > > The Prefs palette told me the img ID was 5485. > > In my openStack script I wrote this; > > put 5485 into gRevAppIcon > put 5485 into gRevSmallAppIcon > > with no joy . . . > > BECAUSE what I had overlooked was to write this: > > global gRevAppIcon > > right before the other lines. > > Thanks so much for your help. > > Richmond. Of course, if one does NOT declare gRevAppIcon as a global one can "go bananas" and have different pictures/icons/badges for every answer modal in ones stack/standalone. One could, also, be really sickening and get users to import a personal avatar which would then pop up all over the place, both as button icons and as answer icons. What I haven't quite worked out is what gRevSmallAppIcon is for and where is might "manifest itself" in a stack. Richmond. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Nov 19 16:25:01 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:25:01 +0100 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <50AAA10D.8010005@gmail.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50A928AE.1060305@gmail.com> <50AAA10D.8010005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9824425D-F167-463A-A0D1-8542C4437B22@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Richmond, If gRevSmallAppIcon is defined, it should appear as a secondary icon on top of the error, warning, information or question icon of the answer dialog. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 19 nov 2012, at 22:13, Richmond wrote: > > Of course, if one does NOT declare gRevAppIcon as a global one can "go bananas" and have different > pictures/icons/badges for every answer modal in ones stack/standalone. > > One could, also, be really sickening and get users to import a personal avatar which would then pop up > all over the place, both as button icons and as answer icons. > > What I haven't quite worked out is what gRevSmallAppIcon is for and where is might > "manifest itself" in a stack. > > Richmond. From janschenkel at yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 16:46:57 2012 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:46:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <9824425D-F167-463A-A0D1-8542C4437B22@economy-x-talk.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50A928AE.1060305@gmail.com> <50AAA10D.8010005@gmail.com> <9824425D-F167-463A-A0D1-8542C4437B22@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <1353361617.1360.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Actually, 'gRevSmallAppIcon' has been broken since LiveCode 4.0 - see . Jan Schenkel. ? ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Schonewille To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:25 PM Subject: Re: "Badge" in answer modal? Hi Richmond, If gRevSmallAppIcon is defined, it should appear as a secondary icon on top of the error, warning, information or question icon of the answer dialog. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 19 nov 2012, at 22:13, Richmond wrote: > > Of course, if one does NOT declare gRevAppIcon as a global one can "go bananas" and have different > pictures/icons/badges for every answer modal in ones stack/standalone. > > One could, also, be really sickening and get users to import a personal avatar which would then pop up > all over the place, both as button icons and as answer icons. > > What I haven't quite worked out is what gRevSmallAppIcon is for and where is might > "manifest itself" in a stack. > > Richmond. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From andrew at ctech.me Mon Nov 19 16:47:56 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:47:56 -0600 Subject: Running Livecode apps on Microsoft Surface In-Reply-To: References: <4290F407-6073-4396-923D-89A6A9AC080D@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTrWPqS4Kxk My favorite clip from the keynote. I have much empathy for this man at this moment. Too often have bugs waited to appear while demonstrating something to someone important. On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > True, but January isn't very far away. While waiting, there are still > reviews of the new platform popping up. Here's one only 3 hours old (you > can still smell the digital ink). :) > > http://bgr.com/2012/11/19/microsoft-surface-review-month-one/ > > And for anyone who hasn't seen the keynote intro of the Surface, it's on > YouTube in 3 parts, and is well worth watching. The MS team did a great > job engineering this new product, imho. I guess we can stop saying MS is a > 'software' company, when comparing them to Apple. > > ~Roger > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > >> Hmmm, I don't think the Surface with Windows 8 Pro on it comes out >> until early next year though. >> >> http://reviews.cnet.com/microsoft-surface-pro/ >> >> Has the skinny. >> >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon >> wrote: >> > Hi from somewhere in Brittany, >> > >> > Roger wrote : >> > >> >> But the Surface Pro (i5 platform) ?.. and therefore should >> >> be capable of running standard desktop >> >> applications made with LiveCode. >> > >> > Thanks Roger. >> > >> > Whaddya know. After 25 years of Macs, I may >> > be buying me a Microsoft Surface Pro ??.. >> > >> > (I don't like the way Apple is going anyway !) >> > >> > -Francis >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-livecode mailing list >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Andrew Kluthe >> andrew at ctech.me >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Nov 19 17:10:32 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:10:32 -0600 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <50AAA10D.8010005@gmail.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50A928AE.1060305@gmail.com> <50AAA10D.8010005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50AAAE58.5040907@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/19/12 3:13 PM, Richmond wrote: > What I haven't quite worked out is what gRevSmallAppIcon is for and > where is might"manifest itself" in a stack. It's in the dictionary. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From janschenkel at yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 17:11:18 2012 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:11:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Non-blocking URL commands In-Reply-To: References: <1353249192.34349.YahooMailNeo@web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1353271152.99939.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1353363078.1162.YahooMailNeo@web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hmm, that's odd - the code looks essentially the same as for libURL. Would you mind emailing me your test script so I can try and debug it? Jan Schenkel. ? ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Kluthe To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 5:19 PM Subject: Re: Non-blocking URL commands Hmmm. I gave that a whirl and am still getting an empty payload on windows 7 (the only machine I have 5.5 on, I might try saving it to legacy format and giving it a whirl on another machine). Do I have to configure some kind of SSL Cert to use SSL even when it's unverified? It isn't super important that I get this working right now, but in the future it could save me some headaches of wrapping around CURL. I wish I were more familiar with socket programming in rev and socket programming in general. What I really need to do is write a native MongoDB driver for livecode, so I don't have to use a REST interface. The specifications are laid out very nicely, but unfortunately it is just outside of my current skillset. Kind regards, Andrew On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > Yup, it should work pretty much the same and is called (rather unimaginatively): > qrtHTTP_SetSSLVerification [true|false] > > HTH, > > Jan Schenkel. > ===== > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode > www.quartam.com > > > ===== > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."? (La Rochefoucauld) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrew Kluthe > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:36 PM > Subject: Re: Non-blocking URL commands > > Jan, > > Is there an equivalent to libUrlSetSSLVerification false with your > library? The rest interface I want to run some tests against uses SSL, > but the only workaround I had with rev to get it to work on certain > machines was to do that. > > Andrew > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: >> Going to check this out. I am only really looking for desktop support >> for now, but I was looking at libRevCurl from the late Mark Smith. Let >> me take a look at this. It certainly looks promising. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Andrew >> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: >>> Hi Andrew, >>> >>> I took a stab at an asynchronous HTTP library a while back. >>> You can download the current version at: >>> Note that it is based on raw socket communication so only available for the desktop engines, not the mobile or server engines. >>> And it is by no means feature-complete; I've been experimenting with authentication but that stuff isn't ready just yet. >>> If you find it useful, and wish to collaborate on its development, join the Quartam forums at >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Jan Schenkel. >>> >>> ===== >>> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode >>> www.quartam.com >>> >>> >>> ===== >>> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."? (La Rochefoucauld) >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Andrew Kluthe >>> To: How to use LiveCode >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 10:30 PM >>> Subject: Non-blocking URL commands >>> >>> Man oh man, wouldn't it be nice to have a non-blocking http >>> implementation in livecode? Certain REST api calls with some services >>> I use can lock and crash my applications if it takes to long to get a >>> full response. Has this ever been something runrev has mentioned or >>> talked about? >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Andrew Kluthe >>> andrew at ctech.me >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Andrew Kluthe >> andrew at ctech.me > > > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > andrew at ctech.me > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Nov 19 17:13:32 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:13:32 -0600 Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host address", other internet functions work correctly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50AAAF0C.2010002@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/19/12 2:14 PM, Gabriel Johnson wrote: > If altered slightly to give more feedback, then: > > put url "http://www.google.com" into htmlText; put the result > > returns "invalid host address" in the message box. ... > Does anyone know any more about the http url function in general? Is there > some other process/function in sits on top of that I could look at to > figure out why this specific user account causes it to fail? It works okay for me, so I agree it's probably something specific to that computer. Does it have a custom hosts file? Is the firewall set up to allow LiveCode requests? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Nov 19 17:14:34 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:14:34 -0600 Subject: Scrolling List Field/Table In-Reply-To: References: <50A57E6A.8080208@hyperactivesw.com> <50A5B061.30704@hyperactivesw.com> <50A7D1E5.10402@hyperactivesw.com> <50A83E01.2050705@hyperactivesw.com> <50AA6219.4090301@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50AAAF4A.3040505@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/19/12 12:54 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > I'm almost afraid to say this but itlooks like this is pretty easy to do > with variable spaced fonts too. > > I did a simple test with an input field, an output scrolling list field, > and a button with the following code: > > on mouseUp > put the hilitedLine of field "Output" into tLine > put the formattedwidth of field "Input" into tWidthIn > put 100 into tWidthOut > subtract tWidthIn from tWidthOut > set the tabstops of line tline of field "Output" to tWidthOut & comma & > 100 > put tab & field "Input"& tab & tLine into line tLine of field "Output" > end mouseUp > > The text in the input field ended up right justified in the the hilited > line of the scrolling list field. I'll no doubt have to deal with some > corner cases but I think I have right justified columns in my scrolling > list field. Very cool! That's pretty cool. I hadn't thought to use the new paragraph features but I like it. They are coming in handy for all sorts of things. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com Mon Nov 19 17:22:10 2012 From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:22:10 -0500 Subject: Running Livecode apps on Microsoft Surface In-Reply-To: References: <4290F407-6073-4396-923D-89A6A9AC080D@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: Poor guy... :( But hey, at least he's not alone, right? According to Steve Jobs frome another demo, once upon a time: "It's pretty awesome when it works." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzDDO3Xb_QU ~Roger On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTrWPqS4Kxk > > My favorite clip from the keynote. I have much empathy for this man at > this moment. Too often have bugs waited to appear while demonstrating > something to someone important. > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > andrew at ctech.me > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Nov 19 17:34:02 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid =?utf-8?b?aG9zdAlhZGRyZXNzIiw=?= other internet functions work correctly References: Message-ID: Gabriel Johnson writes: > put url "http://www.google.com" into htmlText; put the result > > returns "invalid host address" in the message box. Works here as well. Keep in mind, though, that the url function is a, well, function, so the argument should be in parentheses. Also, it's probably a bad idea to name a variable the same as a built-in keyword. put url("http://www.google.comm") into tHtmlText; put the result ...and when in doubt, don't trust the message box - put the code into the script of a button and click it to see the results. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mikekann at yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 17:34:18 2012 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:34:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host address", other internet functions work correctly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1353364458.60201.YahooMailClassic@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Gabriel, I've never had this problem, but I'll chime in anyway -- what the heck. My? suspect is an anti-virus progam or two itching for a fight once in a while. One thing I noticed was that you used "htmlText" as a variable. Since "htmlText" is a reserved word it probably is risky to do that, though it seems to work for me, too. Best of luck, Mike --- On Mon, 11/19/12, Gabriel Johnson wrote: From: Gabriel Johnson Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host address", other internet functions work correctly To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Date: Monday, November 19, 2012, 2:14 PM Hi All, We are having a baffling problem with the standard URL function not working on one of our machines. Message Box Example: ???put url "http://www.google.com" returns empty. If altered slightly to give more feedback, then: ???put url "http://www.google.com" into htmlText; put the result returns "invalid host address" in the message box. Here are some things we've tried and the results: 1. Other internet applications run fine on the computer. Firefox/Safari load www.google.com just fine 2. Older versions of LiveCode, which had previously worked, now fail with the url command 3. Creating a dummy user account and running LiveCode fresh causes the url command to work 4. Other LiveCode internet commands/functions work fine: hostnametoaddress(), liburl functions 5. Zapping the PRAM caused the url function to work one of the times we tried it, for a limited period of time. So, it seems to be something very specific to the url function (at least with http requests) on this one user account that is failing. It appears it might be something corrupt in the user library. A first thought we had was to remove all LiveCode items from the user Library and start from scratch on the original user account. However, I'm not sure if we removed everything. We removed the "RunRev" folder from Application Support, and the following 4 preference files: com.runrev.livecode.plist, com.runrev.revinstaller.plist, com.runrev.revolution.plist, com.runrev.revolution.plist.saved. Are there some other items from the user Library/etc we need to remove to completely uninstall LiveCode from the original user account? Does anyone know any more about the http url function in general? Is there some other process/function in sits on top of that I could look at to figure out why this specific user account causes it to fail? Thanks Gabe _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From gwjapp at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 17:36:33 2012 From: gwjapp at gmail.com (Gabriel Johnson) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:36:33 -0500 Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host address", other internet functions work correctly In-Reply-To: <50AAAF0C.2010002@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50AAAF0C.2010002@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the response. I'm not sure that the hosts file would affect this, because setting up a new user account fixes the problem. (And the hosts file is independent of the user account, right?) Also, the firewall is not set up. Or at least it has never been manually set up and it isn't showing as active. Gabe On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:13 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/19/12 2:14 PM, Gabriel Johnson wrote: > > If altered slightly to give more feedback, then: >> >> put url "http://www.google.com" into htmlText; put the result >> >> returns "invalid host address" in the message box. >> > ... > > Does anyone know any more about the http url function in general? Is there >> some other process/function in sits on top of that I could look at to >> figure out why this specific user account causes it to fail? >> > > It works okay for me, so I agree it's probably something specific to that > computer. Does it have a custom hosts file? Is the firewall set up to allow > LiveCode requests? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From gwjapp at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 17:39:02 2012 From: gwjapp at gmail.com (Gabriel Johnson) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:39:02 -0500 Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host address", other internet functions work correctly In-Reply-To: <1353364458.60201.YahooMailClassic@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1353364458.60201.YahooMailClassic@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks yeah, I realized that after I sent the email that htmlText is not a good variable name, I put that in as an afterthought in the email. But it returns the same result when I run it anyway. No antivirus running. Gabe On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > Gabriel, > > I've never had this problem, but I'll chime in anyway -- what the heck. > My suspect is an anti-virus progam or two itching for a fight once in a > while. > > One thing I noticed was that you used "htmlText" as a variable. Since > "htmlText" is a reserved word it probably is risky to do that, though it > seems to work for me, too. > > Best of luck, > Mike > > > > --- On Mon, 11/19/12, Gabriel Johnson wrote: > > From: Gabriel Johnson > Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host > address", other internet functions work correctly > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Date: Monday, November 19, 2012, 2:14 PM > > Hi All, > > We are having a baffling problem with the standard URL function not working > on one of our machines. > > Message Box Example: > > put url "http://www.google.com" > > returns empty. > > > If altered slightly to give more feedback, then: > > put url "http://www.google.com" into htmlText; put the result > > returns "invalid host address" in the message box. > > > Here are some things we've tried and the results: > > 1. Other internet applications run fine on the computer. Firefox/Safari > load www.google.com just fine > 2. Older versions of LiveCode, which had previously worked, now fail with > the url command > 3. Creating a dummy user account and running LiveCode fresh causes the url > command to work > 4. Other LiveCode internet commands/functions work > fine: hostnametoaddress(), liburl functions > 5. Zapping the PRAM caused the url function to work one of the times we > tried it, for a limited period of time. > > So, it seems to be something very specific to the url function (at least > with http requests) on this one user account that is failing. It appears it > might be something corrupt in the user library. A first thought we had was > to remove all LiveCode items from the user Library and start from scratch > on the original user account. However, I'm not sure if we removed > everything. We removed the "RunRev" folder from Application Support, and > the following 4 preference files: com.runrev.livecode.plist, > com.runrev.revinstaller.plist, com.runrev.revolution.plist, > com.runrev.revolution.plist.saved. > Are there some other items from the user Library/etc we need to remove to > completely uninstall LiveCode from the original user account? > > Does anyone know any more about the http url function in general? Is there > some other process/function in sits on top of that I could look at to > figure out why this specific user account causes it to fail? > > Thanks > > Gabe > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Mon Nov 19 17:42:41 2012 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:42:41 +0000 Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host address", other internet functions work correctly In-Reply-To: References: <1353364458.60201.YahooMailClassic@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Have you tried calling resetAll? Terry... On 20/11/2012, at 09:39 AM, Gabriel Johnson wrote: > Thanks yeah, I realized that after I sent the email that htmlText is not a > good variable name, I put that in as an afterthought in the email. But it > returns the same result when I run it anyway. > > No antivirus running. > > Gabe > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > >> Gabriel, >> >> I've never had this problem, but I'll chime in anyway -- what the heck. >> My suspect is an anti-virus progam or two itching for a fight once in a >> while. >> >> One thing I noticed was that you used "htmlText" as a variable. Since >> "htmlText" is a reserved word it probably is risky to do that, though it >> seems to work for me, too. >> >> Best of luck, >> Mike >> >> >> >> --- On Mon, 11/19/12, Gabriel Johnson wrote: >> >> From: Gabriel Johnson >> Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host >> address", other internet functions work correctly >> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Date: Monday, November 19, 2012, 2:14 PM >> >> Hi All, >> >> We are having a baffling problem with the standard URL function not working >> on one of our machines. >> >> Message Box Example: >> >> put url "http://www.google.com" >> >> returns empty. >> >> >> If altered slightly to give more feedback, then: >> >> put url "http://www.google.com" into htmlText; put the result >> >> returns "invalid host address" in the message box. >> >> >> Here are some things we've tried and the results: >> >> 1. Other internet applications run fine on the computer. Firefox/Safari >> load www.google.com just fine >> 2. Older versions of LiveCode, which had previously worked, now fail with >> the url command >> 3. Creating a dummy user account and running LiveCode fresh causes the url >> command to work >> 4. Other LiveCode internet commands/functions work >> fine: hostnametoaddress(), liburl functions >> 5. Zapping the PRAM caused the url function to work one of the times we >> tried it, for a limited period of time. >> >> So, it seems to be something very specific to the url function (at least >> with http requests) on this one user account that is failing. It appears it >> might be something corrupt in the user library. A first thought we had was >> to remove all LiveCode items from the user Library and start from scratch >> on the original user account. However, I'm not sure if we removed >> everything. We removed the "RunRev" folder from Application Support, and >> the following 4 preference files: com.runrev.livecode.plist, >> com.runrev.revinstaller.plist, com.runrev.revolution.plist, >> com.runrev.revolution.plist.saved. >> Are there some other items from the user Library/etc we need to remove to >> completely uninstall LiveCode from the original user account? >> >> Does anyone know any more about the http url function in general? Is there >> some other process/function in sits on top of that I could look at to >> figure out why this specific user account causes it to fail? >> >> Thanks >> >> Gabe Dr Terry Judd Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Eduction Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne From gwjapp at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 17:44:10 2012 From: gwjapp at gmail.com (Gabriel Johnson) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:44:10 -0500 Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host address", other internet functions work correctly In-Reply-To: References: <1353364458.60201.YahooMailClassic@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, yeah- resetAll unfortunately doesn't fix it. Gabe On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Terry Judd wrote: > Have you tried calling resetAll? > > Terry... > > On 20/11/2012, at 09:39 AM, Gabriel Johnson wrote: > > > Thanks yeah, I realized that after I sent the email that htmlText is not > a > > good variable name, I put that in as an afterthought in the email. But it > > returns the same result when I run it anyway. > > > > No antivirus running. > > > > Gabe > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Michael Kann > wrote: > > > >> Gabriel, > >> > >> I've never had this problem, but I'll chime in anyway -- what the heck. > >> My suspect is an anti-virus progam or two itching for a fight once in a > >> while. > >> > >> One thing I noticed was that you used "htmlText" as a variable. Since > >> "htmlText" is a reserved word it probably is risky to do that, though it > >> seems to work for me, too. > >> > >> Best of luck, > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> > >> --- On Mon, 11/19/12, Gabriel Johnson wrote: > >> > >> From: Gabriel Johnson > >> Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host > >> address", other internet functions work correctly > >> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Date: Monday, November 19, 2012, 2:14 PM > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> We are having a baffling problem with the standard URL function not > working > >> on one of our machines. > >> > >> Message Box Example: > >> > >> put url "http://www.google.com" > >> > >> returns empty. > >> > >> > >> If altered slightly to give more feedback, then: > >> > >> put url "http://www.google.com" into htmlText; put the result > >> > >> returns "invalid host address" in the message box. > >> > >> > >> Here are some things we've tried and the results: > >> > >> 1. Other internet applications run fine on the computer. Firefox/Safari > >> load www.google.com just fine > >> 2. Older versions of LiveCode, which had previously worked, now fail > with > >> the url command > >> 3. Creating a dummy user account and running LiveCode fresh causes the > url > >> command to work > >> 4. Other LiveCode internet commands/functions work > >> fine: hostnametoaddress(), liburl functions > >> 5. Zapping the PRAM caused the url function to work one of the times we > >> tried it, for a limited period of time. > >> > >> So, it seems to be something very specific to the url function (at least > >> with http requests) on this one user account that is failing. It > appears it > >> might be something corrupt in the user library. A first thought we had > was > >> to remove all LiveCode items from the user Library and start from > scratch > >> on the original user account. However, I'm not sure if we removed > >> everything. We removed the "RunRev" folder from Application Support, and > >> the following 4 preference files: com.runrev.livecode.plist, > >> com.runrev.revinstaller.plist, com.runrev.revolution.plist, > >> com.runrev.revolution.plist.saved. > >> Are there some other items from the user Library/etc we need to remove > to > >> completely uninstall LiveCode from the original user account? > >> > >> Does anyone know any more about the http url function in general? Is > there > >> some other process/function in sits on top of that I could look at to > >> figure out why this specific user account causes it to fail? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Gabe > > Dr Terry Judd > Senior Lecturer in Medical Education > Medical Eduction Unit > Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences > The University of Melbourne > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Mon Nov 19 17:49:57 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:49:57 +1100 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: References: <6C58DCBA-899A-48B2-A127-23325D8DDD80@sweattechnologies.com> <4F95570E-EFF3-488A-8935-E9611BDF7129@mac.com> <635FABA1-68CE-45AB-8BC3-81C58304B8B1@sweattechnologies.com> <336734CC-FED4-4D9A-A2E3-46852E26F667@mac.com> Message-ID: <882787C4-E1E9-4FA7-A743-C63328E02E57@sweattechnologies.com> It doesn't look like this will happen in the short term folks. It's not that it's not possible. It just doesn't appear that the funding will be there. The mergExt business model rubs some people up the wrong way unfortunately. If anyone can come up with a business model that gives LC developers what they need to meet specific requirements, keeps prices low enough so that people can use it and can cope with a very low volume of sales then I'm all ears. Until then this is all I'm able to offer the LC community. For what it's worth this external only needs about $350 worth of funding to get off the ground. Cheers Monte On 17/11/2012, at 5:57 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > Monte, I would also be interested in the capability you are describing. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From gwjapp at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 17:48:19 2012 From: gwjapp at gmail.com (Gabriel Johnson) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:48:19 -0500 Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host address", other internet functions work correctly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It fails at multiple points in our scripts. The post command appears to not be working either, though several liburl function/commands do seem to be working. It is very odd. Gabe On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Gabriel Johnson writes: > > > put url "http://www.google.com" into htmlText; put the result > > > > returns "invalid host address" in the message box. > > Works here as well. Keep in mind, though, that the url function is a, well, > function, so the argument should be in parentheses. Also, it's probably a > bad > idea to name a variable the same as a built-in keyword. > > put url("http://www.google.comm") into tHtmlText; put the result > > ...and when in doubt, don't trust the message box - put the code into the > script > of a button and click it to see the results. > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mikekann at yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 18:07:12 2012 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:07:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Flingo -- does anyone use this program? In-Reply-To: <768F967F-8DB6-4B7E-91E1-716B965F375B@numericable.com> Message-ID: <1353366432.48348.YahooMailClassic@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I'm guessing I'm the only one. Flingo makes it easier to watch youtube videos on a smart TV. If you have three items on the same network -- a smart TV, a computer, and an Internet connection, you can look up a video in Firefox and queue it up for viewing on your TV. Everything about the program is well done. If you are interested you can check it out at: www.flingo.org Mike From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Nov 19 18:16:05 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 00:16:05 +0100 Subject: [OT] Re: Flingo -- does anyone use this program? In-Reply-To: <1353366432.48348.YahooMailClassic@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1353366432.48348.YahooMailClassic@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Why do you ask? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 20 nov 2012, at 00:07, Michael Kann wrote: > I'm guessing I'm the only one. > > Flingo makes it easier to watch youtube videos on a smart TV. If you have three items on the same network -- a smart TV, a computer, and an Internet connection, you can look up a video in Firefox and queue it up for viewing on your TV. Everything about the program is well done. > > If you are interested you can check it out at: > www.flingo.org > > Mike > > From mikekann at yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 18:18:59 2012 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:18:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OT] Re: Flingo -- does anyone use this program? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1353367139.32325.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I want to improve it using Livecode. --- On Mon, 11/19/12, Mark Schonewille wrote: From: Mark Schonewille Subject: [OT] Re: Flingo -- does anyone use this program? To: "How to use LiveCode" Date: Monday, November 19, 2012, 5:16 PM Why do you ask? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 20 nov 2012, at 00:07, Michael Kann wrote: > I'm guessing I'm the only one. > > Flingo makes it easier to watch youtube videos on a smart TV. If you have three items on the same network -- a smart TV, a computer, and an Internet connection, you can look up a video in Firefox and queue it up for viewing on your TV. Everything about the program is well done. > > If you are interested you can check it out at: > www.flingo.org > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Nov 19 18:34:36 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 00:34:36 +0100 Subject: [OT] Re: Flingo -- does anyone use this program? In-Reply-To: <1353367139.32325.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1353367139.32325.YahooMailClassic@web120502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I see. Yeah, that could be interesting. Personally, I have no need for it, but I could imagine I'd select Youtube videos on my iPhone and watch them on my TV. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 20 nov 2012, at 00:18, Michael Kann wrote: > I want to improve it using Livecode. > From alex at tweedly.net Mon Nov 19 18:53:00 2012 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:53:00 +0000 Subject: ANN: ExplicitProperties plugin available Message-ID: <50AAC65C.4030007@tweedly.net> I've just released a small plugin "ExplicitProperties", available through http://www.tweedly.org I've long been a fan of explicitVariables in the IDE - the combination of my sloppy typing and no-longer-youthful eyesight make it an invaluable help in finding my typing errors. In my current project I'm using a lot more custom properties than I have in the past - and fairly quickly found that typing errors were just as common in typing custom property names as they are in typing variable names :-) So - a small plugin that takes a fairly naive approach to finding custom property references, and then lets the user specify which ones are "ok" (like a spellchecker allows you to accept words specific to your document that aren't in a general dictionary). Any or all feedback welcome. -- Alex. P.S. I particularly liked the small oddities I found - LC is very permissive about including the word "the" ... a. It's OK to say, e.g., put the the the the number of chars in ... b. It's also OK to say add the 1 to myVar From pete at lcsql.com Mon Nov 19 19:58:52 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:58:52 -0800 Subject: ANN: ExplicitProperties plugin available In-Reply-To: <50AAC65C.4030007@tweedly.net> References: <50AAC65C.4030007@tweedly.net> Message-ID: Thanks Alex. This reduces the ways I find to screw up my scripts by 1! Pete On Nov 19, 2012 5:53 PM, "Alex Tweedly" wrote: > I've just released a small plugin "ExplicitProperties", available through > http://www.tweedly.org > > I've long been a fan of explicitVariables in the IDE - the combination of > my sloppy typing and no-longer-youthful eyesight make it an invaluable help > in finding my typing errors. In my current project I'm using a lot more > custom properties than I have in the past - and fairly quickly found that > typing errors were just as common in typing custom property names as they > are in typing variable names :-) > > So - a small plugin that takes a fairly naive approach to finding custom > property references, and then lets the user specify which ones are "ok" > (like a spellchecker allows you to accept words specific to your document > that aren't in a general dictionary). > > Any or all feedback welcome. > > -- Alex. > P.S. I particularly liked the small oddities I found - LC is very > permissive about including the word "the" ... > a. It's OK to say, e.g., put the the the the number of chars in ... > b. It's also OK to say add the 1 to myVar > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Nov 19 21:41:01 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 03:41:01 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Installer Maker Plugin 1.7.14 Message-ID: <0B53411D-785E-4985-A602-54DFFBBBC719@economy-x-talk.com> Hi everyone, I've updated Installer Maker Plugin for LiveCode. This version makes sure that the execution bit is set correctly for application packages installed on OSX if you created your installer on Windows. This new version is free for everyone who bought a license after 20 September 2012. You can find more info about Installer Maker Plugin at http://qery.us/za -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Nov 19 22:12:31 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 04:12:31 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Installer Maker Plugin 1.7.14 In-Reply-To: <0B53411D-785E-4985-A602-54DFFBBBC719@economy-x-talk.com> References: <0B53411D-785E-4985-A602-54DFFBBBC719@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <73027F2F-7E94-4A56-9FBD-831B8DCC6BC1@economy-x-talk.com> That should be 20 August. -- Kind regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Http://economy-x-talk.com Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com Op 20 nov. 2012 om 03:41 heeft Mark Schonewille het volgende geschreven: > Hi everyone, > > I've updated Installer Maker Plugin for LiveCode. This version makes sure that the execution bit is set correctly for application packages installed on OSX if you created your installer on Windows. This new version is free for everyone who bought a license after 20 September 2012. > > You can find more info about Installer Maker Plugin at http://qery.us/za > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > From davidocoker at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 22:54:28 2012 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:54:28 -0600 Subject: Sharing a little stack In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AED3D3F@Peas2.byu.local> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AED3D3F@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: >> Hi there >> >> This little stack demonstrate resizing a rectangle in any direction >> >> Its also an exersice in calculating pendicular lines >> >> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13399 >> >> Michael Assuming that the stack doesn't require any really recent features, maybe you can offer a second version in a legacy format that can be tested... I'm way behind using 4.53 which will not open the stack file. Best regards, David C. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Nov 19 23:50:25 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:50:25 -0600 Subject: iOS popover position Message-ID: <50AB0C11.2010003@hyperactivesw.com> Is there a way to position an iPad/iOS popover? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pepetoo at cox.net Tue Nov 20 00:33:47 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:33:47 -0800 Subject: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC In-Reply-To: <50AB0C11.2010003@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50AB0C11.2010003@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <671BE1A8-57B1-40CD-A3B5-C2049120BCF5@cox.net> Hi LCers: I just opened one of several stacks in a project I've been working on for quite some time under LC 4.5.2, and I find that the Handlers in the Stack Script are not showing. The script and all of its handlers are there, but they are not listed in the menus Handler item or showing in the left column of the script. There are several stacks in the project and all of the others are fine. With my stupidly poor vision I sometimes click on something in error. Any idea what I may have done to cause this, or what I can do to restore the handlers to the Menu item? Even though the Handlers are in the stack script, they do not work when called. The stack also has some card scripts. Their handlers ARE listed and do work. TIA, Joe Wilkins On Nov 19, 2012, at 8:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Is there a way to position an iPad/iOS popover? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Nov 20 00:49:01 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:49:01 +1100 Subject: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC In-Reply-To: <671BE1A8-57B1-40CD-A3B5-C2049120BCF5@cox.net> References: <50AB0C11.2010003@hyperactivesw.com> <671BE1A8-57B1-40CD-A3B5-C2049120BCF5@cox.net> Message-ID: <3C4B7623-D17D-42BA-A2A8-2EAE492C0F29@sweattechnologies.com> Try recompiling the script. There's probably a compile error possibly a new reserved word like header or something... Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 20/11/2012, at 4:33 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Hi LCers: > > I just opened one of several stacks in a project I've been working on for quite some time under LC 4.5.2, and I find that the Handlers in the Stack Script are not showing. The script and all of its handlers are there, but they are not listed in the menus Handler item or showing in the left column of the script. There are several stacks in the project and all of the others are fine. With my stupidly poor vision I sometimes click on something in error. Any idea what I may have done to cause this, or what I can do to restore the handlers to the Menu item? Even though the Handlers are in the stack script, they do not work when called. The stack also has some card scripts. Their handlers ARE listed and do work. > > TIA, > > Joe Wilkins > > On Nov 19, 2012, at 8:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> Is there a way to position an iPad/iOS popover? >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Nov 20 00:49:19 2012 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:49:19 -0800 Subject: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC In-Reply-To: <671BE1A8-57B1-40CD-A3B5-C2049120BCF5@cox.net> Message-ID: This is a long shot, but I've had a situation occur several times where the script editor compiles and closes with a *technically* invalid script. The reason I say "technically" is that the script has a minor error that should cause the editor to throw an error, but instead it accepts the script, and one of the symptoms of this is the handlers don't show up in the handler list. It's only happened a few times, and I can't say if this is what's happening in your case. But try looking for some script lines that aren't indented properly as (I believe) this is how I tracked down the problem in my case. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 11/19/12 9:33 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" wrote: >Hi LCers: > >I just opened one of several stacks in a project I've been working on for >quite some time under LC 4.5.2, and I find that the Handlers in the Stack >Script are not showing. The script and all of its handlers are there, but >they are not listed in the menus Handler item or showing in the left >column of the script. There are several stacks in the project and all of >the others are fine. With my stupidly poor vision I sometimes click on >something in error. Any idea what I may have done to cause this, or what >I can do to restore the handlers to the Menu item? Even though the >Handlers are in the stack script, they do not work when called. The stack >also has some card scripts. Their handlers ARE listed and do work. > >TIA, > >Joe Wilkins > >On Nov 19, 2012, at 8:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> Is there a way to position an iPad/iOS popover? >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pepetoo at cox.net Tue Nov 20 01:00:45 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:00:45 -0800 Subject: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11B933D4-D4E9-4A7A-A53D-787CF0DD5C76@cox.net> Thanks fellas. Sounds promising. Right now I'm trying to figure out how to compile a stack other than by building a standalone. Is there a simple way to compile a single stack? TIA, Joe Wilkins On Nov 19, 2012, at 9:49 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > This is a long shot, but I've had a situation occur several times where > the script editor compiles and closes with a *technically* invalid script. > The reason I say "technically" is that the script has a minor error that > should cause the editor to throw an error, but instead it accepts the > script, and one of the symptoms of this is the handlers don't show up in > the handler list. It's only happened a few times, and I can't say if this > is what's happening in your case. But try looking for some script lines > that aren't indented properly as (I believe) this is how I tracked down > the problem in my case. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > > On 11/19/12 9:33 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" wrote: > >> Hi LCers: >> >> I just opened one of several stacks in a project I've been working on for >> quite some time under LC 4.5.2, and I find that the Handlers in the Stack >> Script are not showing. The script and all of its handlers are there, but >> they are not listed in the menus Handler item or showing in the left >> column of the script. There are several stacks in the project and all of >> the others are fine. With my stupidly poor vision I sometimes click on >> something in error. Any idea what I may have done to cause this, or what >> I can do to restore the handlers to the Menu item? Even though the >> Handlers are in the stack script, they do not work when called. The stack >> also has some card scripts. Their handlers ARE listed and do work. >> >> TIA, >> >> Joe Wilkins >> >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 8:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >> >>> Is there a way to position an iPad/iOS popover? >>> >>> -- >>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pepetoo at cox.net Tue Nov 20 01:10:02 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:10:02 -0800 Subject: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC In-Reply-To: <11B933D4-D4E9-4A7A-A53D-787CF0DD5C76@cox.net> References: <11B933D4-D4E9-4A7A-A53D-787CF0DD5C76@cox.net> Message-ID: <7235B46F-D209-45A3-968B-3E24E6C20DAF@cox.net> Sorry, I just never think of it as "compiling", and it was throwing a number of errors. I just couldn't see them until I magnify everything. It's tough when you can't see. I'm sure you've put me on the track. Thanks. Joe Wilkins On Nov 19, 2012, at 10:00 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Thanks fellas. Sounds promising. Right now I'm trying to figure out how to compile a stack other than by building a standalone. Is there a simple way to compile a single stack? > > TIA, > > Joe Wilkins > > On Nov 19, 2012, at 9:49 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> This is a long shot, but I've had a situation occur several times where >> the script editor compiles and closes with a *technically* invalid script. >> The reason I say "technically" is that the script has a minor error that >> should cause the editor to throw an error, but instead it accepts the >> script, and one of the symptoms of this is the handlers don't show up in >> the handler list. It's only happened a few times, and I can't say if this >> is what's happening in your case. But try looking for some script lines >> that aren't indented properly as (I believe) this is how I tracked down >> the problem in my case. >> >> Regards, >> >> Scott Rossi >> Creative Director >> Tactile Media, UX Design >> >> >> >> >> On 11/19/12 9:33 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" wrote: >> >>> Hi LCers: >>> >>> I just opened one of several stacks in a project I've been working on for >>> quite some time under LC 4.5.2, and I find that the Handlers in the Stack >>> Script are not showing. The script and all of its handlers are there, but >>> they are not listed in the menus Handler item or showing in the left >>> column of the script. There are several stacks in the project and all of >>> the others are fine. With my stupidly poor vision I sometimes click on >>> something in error. Any idea what I may have done to cause this, or what >>> I can do to restore the handlers to the Menu item? Even though the >>> Handlers are in the stack script, they do not work when called. The stack >>> also has some card scripts. Their handlers ARE listed and do work. >>> >>> TIA, >>> >>> Joe Wilkins >>> >>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 8:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >>> >>>> Is there a way to position an iPad/iOS popover? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pepetoo at cox.net Tue Nov 20 01:27:10 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:27:10 -0800 Subject: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC In-Reply-To: <7235B46F-D209-45A3-968B-3E24E6C20DAF@cox.net> References: <11B933D4-D4E9-4A7A-A53D-787CF0DD5C76@cox.net> <7235B46F-D209-45A3-968B-3E24E6C20DAF@cox.net> Message-ID: As it turns out, the problem was caused by "explicitVariables"; something I ran into when I first started working on this project again after a very long layoff. Frankly, I don't remember how to call variables "explicitly". I'm accustomed to just creating them by putting something into the variable when I need one. I've always done it that way, but something seems to have changed with LC recently. I don't have it set to true. In fact I started setting it to false when I found I was having a problem. Suggestions anyone? TIA, Joe Wilkins On Nov 19, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Sorry, I just never think of it as "compiling", and it was throwing a number of errors. I just couldn't see them until I magnify everything. It's tough when you can't see. I'm sure you've put me on the track. Thanks. > > Joe Wilkins > > On Nov 19, 2012, at 10:00 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > >> Thanks fellas. Sounds promising. Right now I'm trying to figure out how to compile a stack other than by building a standalone. Is there a simple way to compile a single stack? >> >> TIA, >> >> Joe Wilkins >> >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 9:49 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: >> >>> This is a long shot, but I've had a situation occur several times where >>> the script editor compiles and closes with a *technically* invalid script. >>> The reason I say "technically" is that the script has a minor error that >>> should cause the editor to throw an error, but instead it accepts the >>> script, and one of the symptoms of this is the handlers don't show up in >>> the handler list. It's only happened a few times, and I can't say if this >>> is what's happening in your case. But try looking for some script lines >>> that aren't indented properly as (I believe) this is how I tracked down >>> the problem in my case. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Scott Rossi >>> Creative Director >>> Tactile Media, UX Design >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/19/12 9:33 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" wrote: >>> >>>> Hi LCers: >>>> >>>> I just opened one of several stacks in a project I've been working on for >>>> quite some time under LC 4.5.2, and I find that the Handlers in the Stack >>>> Script are not showing. The script and all of its handlers are there, but >>>> they are not listed in the menus Handler item or showing in the left >>>> column of the script. There are several stacks in the project and all of >>>> the others are fine. With my stupidly poor vision I sometimes click on >>>> something in error. Any idea what I may have done to cause this, or what >>>> I can do to restore the handlers to the Menu item? Even though the >>>> Handlers are in the stack script, they do not work when called. The stack >>>> also has some card scripts. Their handlers ARE listed and do work. >>>> >>>> TIA, >>>> >>>> Joe Wilkins >>>> >>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 8:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is there a way to position an iPad/iOS popover? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bdrunrev at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 06:08:12 2012 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:08:12 +0000 Subject: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC In-Reply-To: References: <11B933D4-D4E9-4A7A-A53D-787CF0DD5C76@cox.net> <7235B46F-D209-45A3-968B-3E24E6C20DAF@cox.net> Message-ID: Joe, there was a long discussion on ExplicitVariables a while back (see the thread entitled "Explicit Variables Again". There are several ways in which these can be set. I think one way is through your LiveCode preferences, another is a menu option in the Script Editor. Bernard On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:27 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > I don't have it set to true. In fact I started setting it to false when I > found I was having a problem. Suggestions anyone? > > From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Nov 20 08:33:48 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:33:48 -0500 Subject: iOS popover position In-Reply-To: <50AB0C11.2010003@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50AB0C11.2010003@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <625318DB-9ACF-41E9-8282-76CD3D0F4710@mac.com> Jac, What kind of popover are you using? LC? Native? For the rreHardcopy external (which is a popover) it is automatically positioned based on the position of the calling button so I put the script in an invisible button located where I wanted it to pop up and then called that from the original button. But, I don't know what you are using? -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 19, 2012, at 11:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Is there a way to position an iPad/iOS popover? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From cmsheffield at icloud.com Tue Nov 20 10:15:49 2012 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:15:49 -0700 Subject: iOS popover position In-Reply-To: <50AB0C11.2010003@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50AB0C11.2010003@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <7066F00E-AFE9-44D0-87D9-879C16450E98@icloud.com> You can using Monte's excellent mergPop external. :-) That is if you're wanting to present a list of options to the user. The default behavior positions the popover relative to the calling control, but there's a property where you can set the rect in order to position it wherever you want. Handy! Chris On Nov 19, 2012, at 9:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Is there a way to position an iPad/iOS popover? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pepetoo at cox.net Tue Nov 20 10:50:29 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:50:29 -0800 Subject: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC In-Reply-To: References: <11B933D4-D4E9-4A7A-A53D-787CF0DD5C76@cox.net> <7235B46F-D209-45A3-968B-3E24E6C20DAF@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi Bernie, et al: Yeah, I followed it at the time, but was never satisfied with the results. Again, it goes back to my poor vision. I have managed to resolve all my issues in a somewhat clumsy fashion that took me ages to accomplish. Turns out it was a good thing, since I had left a script poorly coded at one time and it was going to work irrationally if at all when I tried using some of its handlers. LC balked, fortunately. The errors are so small that I didn't even notice them and I have yet to figure out how I can increase their font size. (sigh!) At the moment I'm being harrassed by a fly that's driving me crazy. Thanks gang! Joe Wilkins On Nov 20, 2012, at 3:08 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Joe, there was a long discussion on ExplicitVariables a while back (see the > thread entitled "Explicit Variables Again". There are several ways in > which these can be set. I think one way is through your LiveCode > preferences, another is a menu option in the Script Editor. > > Bernard > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:27 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > >> I don't have it set to true. In fact I started setting it to false when I >> found I was having a problem. Suggestions anyone? >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From janschenkel at yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 11:26:02 2012 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:26:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Changing script editor font and size (Was: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC) In-Reply-To: References: <11B933D4-D4E9-4A7A-A53D-787CF0DD5C76@cox.net> <7235B46F-D209-45A3-968B-3E24E6C20DAF@cox.net> Message-ID: <1353428762.55115.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Joe, You can definitely modify the script editor settings: - Go to menu 'Edit' item 'Preferences' - then select 'Script editor' in the left-hand side list. - In the right-hand side panel you should see option menus for the font and size. On my Windows machine I picked Consolas size 12; I just tried switching it to size 18 and it worked like a charm. HTH, Jan Schenkel. ? ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Lewis Wilkins To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC Hi Bernie, et al: Yeah, I followed it at the time, but was never satisfied with the results. Again, it goes back to my poor vision. I have managed to resolve all my issues in a somewhat clumsy fashion that took me ages to accomplish. Turns out it was a good thing, since I had left a script poorly coded at one time and it was going to work irrationally if at all when I tried using some of its handlers. LC balked, fortunately. The errors are so small that I didn't even notice them and I have yet to figure out how I can increase their font size. (sigh!) At the moment I'm being harrassed by a fly that's driving me crazy. Thanks gang! Joe Wilkins From bonnmike at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 11:40:09 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:40:09 -0700 Subject: Changing script editor font and size (Was: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC) In-Reply-To: <1353428762.55115.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <11B933D4-D4E9-4A7A-A53D-787CF0DD5C76@cox.net> <7235B46F-D209-45A3-968B-3E24E6C20DAF@cox.net> <1353428762.55115.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: While not the best solution, if you do: set the textsize of group "panes" of stack "revNewScriptEditor 1" to 16 -- or whatever size you need It seems to work ok. Some of the other panes objects have their textsize set so that it overrides the panes setting, but the error pane doesn't so it inherits from the group. The preferences setting works for the script editor font size itself but doesn't affect the errors display. Every re-opening of the script editor resets it so as mentioned this is not the best solution. It shouldn't be too difficult to either make a plugin, or adjust the stack stack itself so that the change becomes permanant. (probably better to do it as a plugin so that new versions of lc that you install will also change) On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > Hi Joe, > > You can definitely modify the script editor settings: > - Go to menu 'Edit' item 'Preferences' - then select 'Script editor' in > the left-hand side list. > - In the right-hand side panel you should see option menus for the font > and size. > > On my Windows machine I picked Consolas size 12; I just tried switching it > to size 18 and it worked like a charm. > > HTH, > > Jan Schenkel. > > > ===== > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode > www.quartam.com > > > ===== > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." > (La Rochefoucauld) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Lewis Wilkins > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC > > Hi Bernie, et al: > Yeah, I followed it at the time, but was never satisfied with the results. > Again, it goes back to my poor vision. I have managed to resolve all my > issues in a somewhat clumsy fashion that took me ages to accomplish. Turns > out it was a good thing, since I had left a script poorly coded at one time > and it was going to work irrationally if at all when I tried using some of > its handlers. LC balked, fortunately. The errors are so small that I didn't > even notice them and I have yet to figure out how I can increase their font > size. (sigh!) At the moment I'm being harrassed by a fly that's driving me > crazy. > > Thanks gang! > > Joe Wilkins > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pepetoo at cox.net Tue Nov 20 12:02:33 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:02:33 -0800 Subject: Changing script editor font and size (Was: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC) In-Reply-To: <1353428762.55115.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <11B933D4-D4E9-4A7A-A53D-787CF0DD5C76@cox.net> <7235B46F-D209-45A3-968B-3E24E6C20DAF@cox.net> <1353428762.55115.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43BA5F57-7A96-4F6F-9BA3-7DE8798E0777@cox.net> Thanks Jan. I'll see (I hope) if I can find it. Is there a way to increase the Font Size of the Preferences? That would make finding other things a lot easier. The Dictionary is also very tiny. (sigh!) That's my world. Gracias a todos! Jose On Nov 20, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > Hi Joe, > > You can definitely modify the script editor settings: > - Go to menu 'Edit' item 'Preferences' - then select 'Script editor' in the left-hand side list. > - In the right-hand side panel you should see option menus for the font and size. > > On my Windows machine I picked Consolas size 12; I just tried switching it to size 18 and it worked like a charm. > > HTH, > > Jan Schenkel. > > > ===== > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode > www.quartam.com > > > ===== > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Lewis Wilkins > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC > > Hi Bernie, et al: > Yeah, I followed it at the time, but was never satisfied with the results. Again, it goes back to my poor vision. I have managed to resolve all my issues in a somewhat clumsy fashion that took me ages to accomplish. Turns out it was a good thing, since I had left a script poorly coded at one time and it was going to work irrationally if at all when I tried using some of its handlers. LC balked, fortunately. The errors are so small that I didn't even notice them and I have yet to figure out how I can increase their font size. (sigh!) At the moment I'm being harrassed by a fly that's driving me crazy. > > Thanks gang! > > Joe Wilkins > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 20 12:14:20 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:14:20 -0600 Subject: iOS popover position In-Reply-To: <7066F00E-AFE9-44D0-87D9-879C16450E98@icloud.com> References: <50AB0C11.2010003@hyperactivesw.com> <7066F00E-AFE9-44D0-87D9-879C16450E98@icloud.com> Message-ID: <50ABBA6C.7080105@hyperactivesw.com> Tom, Chris, thanks for the tips. I need the popover to point to a line in a field the user clicks on. I'd considered an invisible or transparent button, so I may go with that. I was hoping there was a way to avoid an extra object. I'd love to help out Monte by using his externals because his work is extraordinary and much appreciated, but this stack is headed for Android eventually so a cross-platform solution is best. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bonnmike at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 12:16:42 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:16:42 -0700 Subject: Changing script editor font and size (Was: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC) In-Reply-To: <43BA5F57-7A96-4F6F-9BA3-7DE8798E0777@cox.net> References: <11B933D4-D4E9-4A7A-A53D-787CF0DD5C76@cox.net> <7235B46F-D209-45A3-968B-3E24E6C20DAF@cox.net> <1353428762.55115.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <43BA5F57-7A96-4F6F-9BA3-7DE8798E0777@cox.net> Message-ID: For the dictionary you might look at bvgdocu http://bjoernke.com/index.irev?target=bvgdocu It works really well, you can set the font size (though in preferences it only applies to the main field) if you want to change the other font sizes just" toplevel "bvgdocu 2", change the textsize properties of any objects you wish to adjust and resave. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Thanks Jan. I'll see (I hope) if I can find it. Is there a way to increase > the Font Size of the Preferences? That would make finding other things a > lot easier. The Dictionary is also very tiny. (sigh!) That's my world. > > Gracias a todos! > > Jose > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > You can definitely modify the script editor settings: > > - Go to menu 'Edit' item 'Preferences' - then select 'Script editor' in > the left-hand side list. > > - In the right-hand side panel you should see option menus for the font > and size. > > > > On my Windows machine I picked Consolas size 12; I just tried switching > it to size 18 and it worked like a charm. > > > > HTH, > > > > Jan Schenkel. > > > > > > ===== > > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode > > www.quartam.com > > > > > > ===== > > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same > time." (La Rochefoucauld) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joe Lewis Wilkins > > To: How to use LiveCode > > Cc: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:50 PM > > Subject: Re: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC > > > > Hi Bernie, et al: > > Yeah, I followed it at the time, but was never satisfied with the > results. Again, it goes back to my poor vision. I have managed to resolve > all my issues in a somewhat clumsy fashion that took me ages to accomplish. > Turns out it was a good thing, since I had left a script poorly coded at > one time and it was going to work irrationally if at all when I tried using > some of its handlers. LC balked, fortunately. The errors are so small that > I didn't even notice them and I have yet to figure out how I can increase > their font size. (sigh!) At the moment I'm being harrassed by a fly that's > driving me crazy. > > > > Thanks gang! > > > > Joe Wilkins > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 20 12:19:34 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:19:34 -0600 Subject: iOS popover position In-Reply-To: <625318DB-9ACF-41E9-8282-76CD3D0F4710@mac.com> References: <50AB0C11.2010003@hyperactivesw.com> <625318DB-9ACF-41E9-8282-76CD3D0F4710@mac.com> Message-ID: <50ABBBA6.8040206@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/20/12 7:33 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > For the rreHardcopy external (which is a popover) it is automatically > positioned based on the position of the calling button so I put the > script in an invisible button located where I wanted it to pop up and > then called that from the original button. But, I don't know what you > are using? Native LiveCode control. The popover presents some options based on the line in a field the user clicks on. The field is tall and the popover needs to point to the line that it relates to. Using an invisible button sounds like the way to do it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pete at lcsql.com Tue Nov 20 12:37:35 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:37:35 -0800 Subject: Changing script editor font and size (Was: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC) In-Reply-To: <43BA5F57-7A96-4F6F-9BA3-7DE8798E0777@cox.net> References: <11B933D4-D4E9-4A7A-A53D-787CF0DD5C76@cox.net> <7235B46F-D209-45A3-968B-3E24E6C20DAF@cox.net> <1353428762.55115.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <43BA5F57-7A96-4F6F-9BA3-7DE8798E0777@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi Joe, Not sure what platform you are on but Macs have a Universal Access control panel in the Settings that has various options to help in these circumstances, not just with Livecode but with any program. I'm sure there's something equivalent on Windows too. Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Thanks Jan. I'll see (I hope) if I can find it. Is there a way to increase > the Font Size of the Preferences? That would make finding other things a > lot easier. The Dictionary is also very tiny. (sigh!) That's my world. > > Gracias a todos! > > Jose > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > You can definitely modify the script editor settings: > > - Go to menu 'Edit' item 'Preferences' - then select 'Script editor' in > the left-hand side list. > > - In the right-hand side panel you should see option menus for the font > and size. > > > > On my Windows machine I picked Consolas size 12; I just tried switching > it to size 18 and it worked like a charm. > > > > HTH, > > > > Jan Schenkel. > > > > > > ===== > > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode > > www.quartam.com > > > > > > ===== > > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same > time." (La Rochefoucauld) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joe Lewis Wilkins > > To: How to use LiveCode > > Cc: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:50 PM > > Subject: Re: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC > > > > Hi Bernie, et al: > > Yeah, I followed it at the time, but was never satisfied with the > results. Again, it goes back to my poor vision. I have managed to resolve > all my issues in a somewhat clumsy fashion that took me ages to accomplish. > Turns out it was a good thing, since I had left a script poorly coded at > one time and it was going to work irrationally if at all when I tried using > some of its handlers. LC balked, fortunately. The errors are so small that > I didn't even notice them and I have yet to figure out how I can increase > their font size. (sigh!) At the moment I'm being harrassed by a fly that's > driving me crazy. > > > > Thanks gang! > > > > Joe Wilkins > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From gwjapp at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 12:39:59 2012 From: gwjapp at gmail.com (Gabriel Johnson) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:39:59 -0500 Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host address", other internet functions work correctly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Gabriel Johnson writes: > > put url("http://www.google.comm") into tHtmlText; put the result > > ...and when in doubt, don't trust the message box - put the code into the > script > of a button and click it to see the results. > > Tried that and still have the problem From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Nov 20 12:40:14 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:40:14 -0800 Subject: Mark Smith archive Message-ID: <50ABC07E.3020104@fourthworld.com> The LiveCode work Mark Smith did was valuable to the community, but with his unfortunate passing the status of those libraries is in question. A few of the items listed on this page are no longer available: Those that are unlikely to remain in place forever. Has anyone here been in contact with Mark's estate to determine the status of those libraries? That is, for those which do not have explicit licensing terms allowing free and open use, does the estate have plans for distributing them with such licenses, or appointing someone to become the distributor of those libraries under whatever terms they prefer? And are the few missing libraries available somewhere? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From pete at lcsql.com Tue Nov 20 12:47:04 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:47:04 -0800 Subject: Problem with the formattedWidth Message-ID: While testing out the solution for right justifying a column in a table (in another thread), I've come across a problem with the formattedWidth of a field It appears that the formattedwidth doesn't always get updated when a new value is entered into a field. I typed something into a field, then used the message box to get its formatted width. Then typed a shorter string of characters into the field, got the formattedwidth again, and it was the same as for the previous text value in the field. I haven't 100% verified yet, but it appears that if the new string is longer than the previous string, then the formatted width is reported correctly but if the new string is shorter than the old string, it is reported incorrectly. This is with LC 5.5.0. Anyone else seeing this? Pete lcSQL Software From pepetoo at cox.net Tue Nov 20 12:51:48 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:51:48 -0800 Subject: Changing script editor font and size (Was: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC) In-Reply-To: References: <11B933D4-D4E9-4A7A-A53D-787CF0DD5C76@cox.net> <7235B46F-D209-45A3-968B-3E24E6C20DAF@cox.net> <1353428762.55115.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <43BA5F57-7A96-4F6F-9BA3-7DE8798E0777@cox.net> Message-ID: <903E7B33-B5B1-458F-8130-36879C3D540B@cox.net> Thanks Mike. I'll see if I can wrap my brain around that to some useful purpose and ends. Joe Wilkins On Nov 20, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Mike Bonner wrote: > For the dictionary you might look at bvgdocu > http://bjoernke.com/index.irev?target=bvgdocu > > It works really well, you can set the font size (though in preferences it > only applies to the main field) if you want to change the other font sizes > just" toplevel "bvgdocu 2", change the textsize properties of any objects > you wish to adjust and resave. > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > >> Thanks Jan. I'll see (I hope) if I can find it. Is there a way to increase >> the Font Size of the Preferences? That would make finding other things a >> lot easier. The Dictionary is also very tiny. (sigh!) That's my world. >> >> Gracias a todos! >> >> Jose >> >> On Nov 20, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: >> >>> Hi Joe, >>> >>> You can definitely modify the script editor settings: >>> - Go to menu 'Edit' item 'Preferences' - then select 'Script editor' in >> the left-hand side list. >>> - In the right-hand side panel you should see option menus for the font >> and size. >>> >>> On my Windows machine I picked Consolas size 12; I just tried switching >> it to size 18 and it worked like a charm. >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> Jan Schenkel. >>> >>> >>> ===== >>> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode >>> www.quartam.com >>> >>> >>> ===== >>> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same >> time." (La Rochefoucauld) >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joe Lewis Wilkins >>> To: How to use LiveCode >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:50 PM >>> Subject: Re: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC >>> >>> Hi Bernie, et al: >>> Yeah, I followed it at the time, but was never satisfied with the >> results. Again, it goes back to my poor vision. I have managed to resolve >> all my issues in a somewhat clumsy fashion that took me ages to accomplish. >> Turns out it was a good thing, since I had left a script poorly coded at >> one time and it was going to work irrationally if at all when I tried using >> some of its handlers. LC balked, fortunately. The errors are so small that >> I didn't even notice them and I have yet to figure out how I can increase >> their font size. (sigh!) At the moment I'm being harrassed by a fly that's >> driving me crazy. >>> >>> Thanks gang! >>> >>> Joe Wilkins >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Tue Nov 20 12:53:29 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:53:29 -0500 Subject: Problem with the formattedWidth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006201cdc747$f3338de0$d99aa9a0$@net> I have seen something like this in my mobile resizing library and have not been able to put my finger on it. I think you're getting closer to nailing a recipe for this one. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter Haworth Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:47 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Problem with the formattedWidth While testing out the solution for right justifying a column in a table (in another thread), I've come across a problem with the formattedWidth of a field It appears that the formattedwidth doesn't always get updated when a new value is entered into a field. I typed something into a field, then used the message box to get its formatted width. Then typed a shorter string of characters into the field, got the formattedwidth again, and it was the same as for the previous text value in the field. I haven't 100% verified yet, but it appears that if the new string is longer than the previous string, then the formatted width is reported correctly but if the new string is shorter than the old string, it is reported incorrectly. This is with LC 5.5.0. Anyone else seeing this? Pete lcSQL Software _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue Nov 20 13:08:03 2012 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:08:03 -0800 Subject: Mark Smith archive In-Reply-To: <50ABC07E.3020104@fourthworld.com> References: <50ABC07E.3020104@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: I have them here, Richard, if you need them. In most cases, he released all his code to the world for anyone to use; I think that's made clear in the sample stacks and source code. There was also someone on the list that has placed them online, who should be posting shortly. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > The LiveCode work Mark Smith did was valuable to the community, but with > his unfortunate passing the status of those libraries is in question. > > A few of the items listed on this page are no longer available: > > > > > Those that are unlikely to remain in place forever. > > Has anyone here been in contact with Mark's estate to determine the status > of those libraries? > > That is, for those which do not have explicit licensing terms allowing > free and open use, does the estate have plans for distributing them with > such licenses, or appointing someone to become the distributor of those > libraries under whatever terms they prefer? > > And are the few missing libraries available somewhere? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/**FourthWorldSys > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de Tue Nov 20 14:42:07 2012 From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:42:07 +0100 Subject: Mark Smith archive In-Reply-To: <50ABC07E.3020104@fourthworld.com> References: <50ABC07E.3020104@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <27EF5363-BA6B-4079-93D5-42D4D16626F7@m-r-d.de> Hi, they are still there? http://marksmith.on-rev.com/revstuff/files/ Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Rebbe matthias (at) rebbe.tk Tel +49.5741.310000 Tel +49.160.5504462 -- "Life is too short for boring code" Am 20.11.2012 um 18:40 schrieb Richard Gaskin : > The LiveCode work Mark Smith did was valuable to the community, but with his unfortunate passing the status of those libraries is in question. > > A few of the items listed on this page are no longer available: > > > Those that are unlikely to remain in place forever. > > Has anyone here been in contact with Mark's estate to determine the status of those libraries? > > That is, for those which do not have explicit licensing terms allowing free and open use, does the estate have plans for distributing them with such licenses, or appointing someone to become the distributor of those libraries under whatever terms they prefer? > > And are the few missing libraries available somewhere? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 14:46:48 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:46:48 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <50AAAE58.5040907@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50A928AE.1060305@gmail.com> <50AAA10D.8010005@gmail.com> <50AAAE58.5040907@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50ABDE28.1060003@gmail.com> On 11/20/2012 12:10 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/19/12 3:13 PM, Richmond wrote: > >> What I haven't quite worked out is what gRevSmallAppIcon is for and >> where is might"manifest itself" in a stack. > > It's in the dictionary. > Indeed it is, and explained with a model of fogginess. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue Nov 20 14:59:54 2012 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:59:54 -0800 Subject: Mark Smith archive In-Reply-To: <27EF5363-BA6B-4079-93D5-42D4D16626F7@m-r-d.de> References: <50ABC07E.3020104@fourthworld.com> <27EF5363-BA6B-4079-93D5-42D4D16626F7@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: thanks, Matthias... On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Matthias Rebbe < matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote: > Hi, > > they are still there? > > http://marksmith.on-rev.com/revstuff/files/ > > > Regards, > > Matthias > > -- > Matthias Rebbe > matthias (at) rebbe.tk > Tel +49.5741.310000 > Tel +49.160.5504462 > -- > "Life is too short for boring code" > > > > > > > > Am 20.11.2012 um 18:40 schrieb Richard Gaskin >: > > > The LiveCode work Mark Smith did was valuable to the community, but with > his unfortunate passing the status of those libraries is in question. > > > > A few of the items listed on this page are no longer available: > > > > > > Those that are unlikely to remain in place forever. > > > > Has anyone here been in contact with Mark's estate to determine the > status of those libraries? > > > > That is, for those which do not have explicit licensing terms allowing > free and open use, does the estate have plans for distributing them with > such licenses, or appointing someone to become the distributor of those > libraries under whatever terms they prefer? > > > > And are the few missing libraries available somewhere? > > > > -- > > Richard Gaskin > > Fourth World > > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From paul at researchware.com Tue Nov 20 15:08:33 2012 From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:08:33 -0500 Subject: WMA/WMV files in Livecode In-Reply-To: <27EF5363-BA6B-4079-93D5-42D4D16626F7@m-r-d.de> References: <50ABC07E.3020104@fourthworld.com> <27EF5363-BA6B-4079-93D5-42D4D16626F7@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <50ABE341.2030000@researchware.com> Does anyone out there have a solution for playing WMA/WMV file in LiveCode under Windows? Under OSX, you can use the Flip4Mac add-on to Quicktime and LiveCode's quicktime based player will play Windows WMA/WMV file in Livecode under OSX. Perversely, Flip4Mac is not available for Windows and Quicktime for Windows does not play Windows WMA/WMV files and since LC uses Quicktime, no joy for those formats under Windows. -- Paul Dupuis Cofounder Researchware, Inc. http://www.researchware.com/ http://www.twitter.com/researchware http://www.facebook.com/researchware http://www.linkedin.com/company/researchware-inc From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 20 15:15:57 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:15:57 -0600 Subject: Problem with the formattedWidth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50ABE4FD.9050400@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/20/12 11:47 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > It appears that the formattedwidth doesn't always get updated when a new > value is entered into a field. I typed something into a field, then used > the message box to get its formatted width. Then typed a shorter string of > characters into the field, got the formattedwidth again, and it was the > same as for the previous text value in the field. I haven't 100% verified > yet, but it appears that if the new string is longer than the previous > string, then the formatted width is reported correctly but if the new > string is shorter than the old string, it is reported incorrectly. > > This is with LC 5.5.0. Anyone else seeing this? Is the field more than one line? If so, it will always report the widest part. Does it change if you get the formattedwidth of the line itself? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pete at lcsql.com Tue Nov 20 15:28:04 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:28:04 -0800 Subject: Table property settings Message-ID: There are a couple of settings on the Table tab of a filed which don;t seem to have any equivalent property names. What do the "cell editing", maximum editable column" and "cell formatting" settings do? Pete lcSQL Software From pete at lcsql.com Tue Nov 20 15:34:58 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:34:58 -0800 Subject: Problem with the formattedWidth In-Reply-To: <50ABE4FD.9050400@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50ABE4FD.9050400@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: It's only one line and I've tried it with dontWrap set to true and false with the same result. I tried getting the formatted width of line 1 of the field and that does seem to work reliably. interestingly, it reports a different value than the formatted width of the field! Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:15 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/20/12 11:47 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> >> It appears that the formattedwidth doesn't always get updated when a new >> value is entered into a field. I typed something into a field, then used >> the message box to get its formatted width. Then typed a shorter string >> of >> characters into the field, got the formattedwidth again, and it was the >> same as for the previous text value in the field. I haven't 100% verified >> yet, but it appears that if the new string is longer than the previous >> string, then the formatted width is reported correctly but if the new >> string is shorter than the old string, it is reported incorrectly. >> >> This is with LC 5.5.0. Anyone else seeing this? >> > > Is the field more than one line? If so, it will always report the widest > part. Does it change if you get the formattedwidth of the line itself? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Tue Nov 20 15:39:59 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:39:59 -0500 Subject: Problem with the formattedWidth In-Reply-To: References: <50ABE4FD.9050400@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <00b201cdc75f$35c7a7b0$a156f710$@net> Peter, Let the message path clear and try again querying the formattedwidth. I have gotten different answers for the same data in the same field after letting the engine settle down. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter Haworth Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:35 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: Problem with the formattedWidth It's only one line and I've tried it with dontWrap set to true and false with the same result. I tried getting the formatted width of line 1 of the field and that does seem to work reliably. interestingly, it reports a different value than the formatted width of the field! Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:15 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/20/12 11:47 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> >> It appears that the formattedwidth doesn't always get updated when a >> new value is entered into a field. I typed something into a field, >> then used the message box to get its formatted width. Then typed a >> shorter string of characters into the field, got the formattedwidth >> again, and it was the same as for the previous text value in the >> field. I haven't 100% verified yet, but it appears that if the new >> string is longer than the previous string, then the formatted width >> is reported correctly but if the new string is shorter than the old >> string, it is reported incorrectly. >> >> This is with LC 5.5.0. Anyone else seeing this? >> > > Is the field more than one line? If so, it will always report the > widest part. Does it change if you get the formattedwidth of the line itself? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode unrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From revdev at pdslabs.net Tue Nov 20 15:43:27 2012 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:43:27 -0800 Subject: WMA/WMV files in Livecode In-Reply-To: <50ABE341.2030000@researchware.com> References: <50ABC07E.3020104@fourthworld.com> <27EF5363-BA6B-4079-93D5-42D4D16626F7@m-r-d.de> <50ABE341.2030000@researchware.com> Message-ID: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> Hi Paul, I believe on Windows you can just set the dontUseQT to true and set the filename of a movie object to your favorite movie, and it should play. You don't need QT on Windows unless you're trying to play QT movies. Phil Davis On 11/20/12 12:08 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote: > Does anyone out there have a solution for playing WMA/WMV file in > LiveCode under Windows? > > Under OSX, you can use the Flip4Mac add-on to Quicktime and LiveCode's > quicktime based player will play Windows WMA/WMV file in Livecode under > OSX. Perversely, Flip4Mac is not available for Windows and Quicktime for > Windows does not play Windows WMA/WMV files and since LC uses Quicktime, > no joy for those formats under Windows. > -- Phil Davis From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Nov 20 15:48:30 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:48:30 -0800 Subject: WMA/WMV files in Livecode In-Reply-To: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> References: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> Unfortunately the usefulness of LiveCode's use of the native Win player is dependent on the needs of the application. For example, unless there's been a recent change, LC can play movies fine using the native Win media engine, but only if you play from the beginning of the video; if you need control over the startTime you're out luck unless you use QT. I've been hoping for a change to the obsolete MCI interface LC uses for native Win video for many years, but I'm not aware of a change to that thus far. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys Phil Davis wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I believe on Windows you can just set the dontUseQT to true and set the > filename of a movie object to your favorite movie, and it should play. > You don't need QT on Windows unless you're trying to play QT movies. > > Phil Davis > > > On 11/20/12 12:08 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote: >> Does anyone out there have a solution for playing WMA/WMV file in >> LiveCode under Windows? >> >> Under OSX, you can use the Flip4Mac add-on to Quicktime and LiveCode's >> quicktime based player will play Windows WMA/WMV file in Livecode under >> OSX. Perversely, Flip4Mac is not available for Windows and Quicktime for >> Windows does not play Windows WMA/WMV files and since LC uses Quicktime, >> no joy for those formats under Windows. From andrew at ctech.me Tue Nov 20 16:03:40 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:03:40 -0600 Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host address", other internet functions work correctly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is the URL in question HTTPS or HTTP? On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Gabriel Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> Gabriel Johnson writes: >> >> put url("http://www.google.comm") into tHtmlText; put the result >> >> ...and when in doubt, don't trust the message box - put the code into the >> script >> of a button and click it to see the results. >> >> > > > Tried that and still have the problem > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Nov 20 16:05:41 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:05:41 +1100 Subject: iOS popover position In-Reply-To: <50ABBA6C.7080105@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50AB0C11.2010003@hyperactivesw.com> <7066F00E-AFE9-44D0-87D9-879C16450E98@icloud.com> <50ABBA6C.7080105@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <804CAF02-35DF-4313-A15F-3CFD2AE57857@sweattechnologies.com> Hmm... Popovers don't exist on android as far as I know. If its a contextual menu then mergPopMenu presents the appropriate native UI (like the menu from a field selection) that your users will expect. mergPopSheet presents an action sheet (not a popover with a table view in it) which is also more appropriate for actions rather than selections. If android doesn't have the pointer to the line which as far as I know it doesn't then using the mobilePick command there would work. So it would seem that a simple control structure is all you need rather than hacking some button to be in line with where the user touches. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 21/11/2012, at 4:14 AM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > I'd love to help out Monte by using his externals because his work is extraordinary and much appreciated, but this stack is headed for Android eventually so a cross-platform solution is best. From pete at lcsql.com Tue Nov 20 16:11:16 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:11:16 -0800 Subject: The properties property Message-ID: I think I've seen posts in the past mentioning that getting the properties of an object doesn't return all of them but I didn't realise until today just how many are missing. I've only been working with getting the properties of a stack but here's just a partial list of missing properties: mainStack systemWindow Just about all the color/pattern properties (foregroundcolor, foregroundPattern, etc) location textalign Is there any reliable way of getting a complete list of the properties associated with an object? Pete lcSQL Software From andrew at ctech.me Tue Nov 20 16:14:16 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:14:16 -0600 Subject: WMA/WMV files in Livecode In-Reply-To: <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> References: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: There were some cool externals that someone posted recently to play using Windows Media Player and another that uses VLC to play media files. I haven't used it but it sounds nice. Search for XMediaPlayer on the list. I believe it was made by Klaus. Regards, Andrew On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Unfortunately the usefulness of LiveCode's use of the native Win player is > dependent on the needs of the application. > > For example, unless there's been a recent change, LC can play movies fine > using the native Win media engine, but only if you play from the beginning > of the video; if you need control over the startTime you're out luck unless > you use QT. > > I've been hoping for a change to the obsolete MCI interface LC uses for > native Win video for many years, but I'm not aware of a change to that thus > far. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > > > > > Phil Davis wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >> I believe on Windows you can just set the dontUseQT to true and set the >> filename of a movie object to your favorite movie, and it should play. >> You don't need QT on Windows unless you're trying to play QT movies. >> >> Phil Davis >> >> >> On 11/20/12 12:08 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone out there have a solution for playing WMA/WMV file in >>> LiveCode under Windows? >>> >>> Under OSX, you can use the Flip4Mac add-on to Quicktime and LiveCode's >>> quicktime based player will play Windows WMA/WMV file in Livecode under >>> OSX. Perversely, Flip4Mac is not available for Windows and Quicktime for >>> Windows does not play Windows WMA/WMV files and since LC uses Quicktime, >>> no joy for those formats under Windows. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Nov 20 16:23:27 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:23:27 -0500 Subject: iOS popover position In-Reply-To: <50ABBBA6.8040206@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50AB0C11.2010003@hyperactivesw.com> <625318DB-9ACF-41E9-8282-76CD3D0F4710@mac.com> <50ABBBA6.8040206@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <091EDE9E-BADE-4C75-9528-33FDAE4448FF@mac.com> There is also the HUD Panel Factory on RevOnline that can be used on iOS and Android. It needs tweaking to get right but I have used it with success. How to determine the line number on Android??? I don't know. I would use mobilePick for a List Picker but it is only a popover on iPad as far as I know. Don't know what else would do it! -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 20, 2012, at 12:19 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/20/12 7:33 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> For the rreHardcopy external (which is a popover) it is automatically >> positioned based on the position of the calling button so I put the >> script in an invisible button located where I wanted it to pop up and >> then called that from the original button. But, I don't know what you >> are using? > > Native LiveCode control. The popover presents some options based on the line in a field the user clicks on. The field is tall and the popover needs to point to the line that it relates to. Using an invisible button sounds like the way to do it. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From klaus at major.on-rev.com Tue Nov 20 16:28:14 2012 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:28:14 +0100 Subject: WMA/WMV files in Livecode In-Reply-To: References: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <97CA44AD-D57B-421C-AB97-2A845D6328D1@major.on-rev.com> Hi all, Am 20.11.2012 um 22:14 schrieb Andrew Kluthe : > There were some cool externals that someone posted recently to play > using Windows Media Player and another that uses VLC to play media > files. I haven't used it but it sounds nice. Search for XMediaPlayer > on the list. I believe it was made by Klaus. no, I did not make them, I only gave some info here on the list that they exist. Sorry, still no news about if and when they will be published. > Regards, > > Andrew > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: >> Unfortunately the usefulness of LiveCode's use of the native Win player is >> dependent on the needs of the application. >> >> For example, unless there's been a recent change, LC can play movies fine >> using the native Win media engine, but only if you play from the beginning >> of the video; if you need control over the startTime you're out luck unless >> you use QT. >> >> I've been hoping for a change to the obsolete MCI interface LC uses for >> native Win video for many years, but I'm not aware of a change to that thus >> far. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> >> >> Phil Davis wrote: >> >>> Hi Paul, >>> >>> I believe on Windows you can just set the dontUseQT to true and set the >>> filename of a movie object to your favorite movie, and it should play. >>> You don't need QT on Windows unless you're trying to play QT movies. >>> >>> Phil Davis >>> >>> >>> On 11/20/12 12:08 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote: >>>> >>>> Does anyone out there have a solution for playing WMA/WMV file in >>>> LiveCode under Windows? >>>> >>>> Under OSX, you can use the Flip4Mac add-on to Quicktime and LiveCode's >>>> quicktime based player will play Windows WMA/WMV file in Livecode under >>>> OSX. Perversely, Flip4Mac is not available for Windows and Quicktime for >>>> Windows does not play Windows WMA/WMV files and since LC uses Quicktime, >>>> no joy for those formats under Windows. Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From slylabs13 at me.com Tue Nov 20 16:28:54 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:28:54 -1000 Subject: Table property settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> My tooltip shows cREVTable[celledit] as the property for cell editing. I suspect that you can get the array cREVTable of the table object and determine more. Bob On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > There are a couple of settings on the Table tab of a filed which don;t seem > to have any equivalent property names. > > What do the "cell editing", maximum editable column" and "cell formatting" > settings do? > > Pete > lcSQL Software > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Tue Nov 20 16:40:40 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:40:40 -1000 Subject: Table property settings In-Reply-To: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> Message-ID: Hmmm... I cannot seem to be able to access the array as a whole, nor the keys of the array. However I seem to be able to access the elements of the array. What kind of weird beast is this? Is it a custom property?? At any rate, pointing at the object in the inspector shows the applicable property in the tooltip. Bob On Nov 20, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > My tooltip shows cREVTable[celledit] as the property for cell editing. I suspect that you can get the array cREVTable of the table object and determine more. > > Bob > > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> There are a couple of settings on the Table tab of a filed which don;t seem >> to have any equivalent property names. >> >> What do the "cell editing", maximum editable column" and "cell formatting" >> settings do? >> >> Pete >> lcSQL Software >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Tue Nov 20 16:40:34 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:40:34 -0800 Subject: Table property settings In-Reply-To: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> Message-ID: So does mine but that doesn't tell me what it does. Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > My tooltip shows cREVTable[celledit] as the property for cell editing. I > suspect that you can get the array cREVTable of the table object and > determine more. > > Bob > > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > There are a couple of settings on the Table tab of a filed which don;t > seem > > to have any equivalent property names. > > > > What do the "cell editing", maximum editable column" and "cell > formatting" > > settings do? > > > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From slylabs13 at me.com Tue Nov 20 16:47:09 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:47:09 -1000 Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host address", other internet functions work correctly In-Reply-To: References: <50AAAF0C.2010002@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <7754ED1C-F17E-486E-AA53-47AF1E5E02B4@me.com> Not necessarily. There may be a global hosts file, as well as a local one for the account. But when troubleshooting, an alternative to divide and conquer is do the simple stuff first. Disable the AV temporarily and see if the problem persists. If a new profile solves the problem, that means there is something specific to the account that is a problem. Are both accounts Administrator accounts? If the initial one is not, start down that path. Make it an administrator account and see if things change. Would this be Windows Vista or Win7? If so, you may want to check to see if Livecode has permission through your AV software to access the internet. It's all guessing though without having the system in front of me. Bob On Nov 19, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Gabriel Johnson wrote: > Thanks for the response. > > I'm not sure that the hosts file would affect this, because setting up a > new user account fixes the problem. (And the hosts file is independent of > the user account, right?) > > Also, the firewall is not set up. Or at least it has never been manually > set up and it isn't showing as active. > > Gabe > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:13 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> On 11/19/12 2:14 PM, Gabriel Johnson wrote: >> >> If altered slightly to give more feedback, then: >>> >>> put url "http://www.google.com" into htmlText; put the result >>> >>> returns "invalid host address" in the message box. >>> >> ... >> >> Does anyone know any more about the http url function in general? Is there >>> some other process/function in sits on top of that I could look at to >>> figure out why this specific user account causes it to fail? >>> >> >> It works okay for me, so I agree it's probably something specific to that >> computer. Does it have a custom hosts file? Is the firewall set up to allow >> LiveCode requests? >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Tue Nov 20 16:59:41 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:59:41 -1000 Subject: Table property settings In-Reply-To: References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> Message-ID: Oh, well cell editing obviously allows or disallows the editing of any of the cells, maximum editable column is the last column you are allowed to edit (meaning the columns beyond that will be visible but not editable) forcing a wrap to the next line when you are tabbing through the last column, and cell formatting will allow you to individually format each cell, as opposed to the entire table having a unified formatting. HTH, Bob On Nov 20, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > So does mine but that doesn't tell me what it does. > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > >> My tooltip shows cREVTable[celledit] as the property for cell editing. I >> suspect that you can get the array cREVTable of the table object and >> determine more. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: >> >>> There are a couple of settings on the Table tab of a filed which don;t >> seem >>> to have any equivalent property names. >>> >>> What do the "cell editing", maximum editable column" and "cell >> formatting" >>> settings do? >>> >>> Pete >>> lcSQL Software >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Tue Nov 20 17:03:21 2012 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:03:21 -0800 Subject: http://www.haiku-os.org/ In-Reply-To: References: <50A6B139.2070603@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <43C87C14A472440493C0B3001227A1FB@GATEWAY> > It would have been used, too, except that Be thought they had > Apple over a barrel. > > OK, they kind of did, but for that barrel price, Apple > discovered that they could buy Jobs, err, NeXT . . . which > was for all intents and purposes, the end of Be. They were pretty high on confidence, and to their credit, it was a very promising OS. Back in the day, I talked with Jean-Louis Gass?e about porting a RAD tool (a different one) to build native apps for BeOS. It would have cost them very little, but they were extremely high on themselves and they wouldn't consider helping fund it. Since an OS lives and dies by the apps available for it, I can't help but wonder if he had said yes if it would have made a difference. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From slylabs13 at me.com Tue Nov 20 17:03:45 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:03:45 -1000 Subject: URL function fails on http requests, results in "invalid host address", other internet functions work correctly In-Reply-To: <7754ED1C-F17E-486E-AA53-47AF1E5E02B4@me.com> References: <50AAAF0C.2010002@hyperactivesw.com> <7754ED1C-F17E-486E-AA53-47AF1E5E02B4@me.com> Message-ID: I just read your post that you have no AV. If this is a Windows system, this opens up the possibility that you may have become infected with malware that redirects your DNS requests. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND getting AV software as soon as possible. If you are using OS X, there is a small chance that some malware may be causing problems. The fix is to run your OS updates. There is an update that will detect a few of the most recent nasties and clean them out. These nasties btw can only be installed through user interaction, i.e. someone on the host needs to approve the installation of something, say from a web site popup. It goes without saying, NEVER, but no NEVER install ANYTHING from a web site popup. Bob On Nov 20, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > Not necessarily. There may be a global hosts file, as well as a local one for the account. But when troubleshooting, an alternative to divide and conquer is do the simple stuff first. Disable the AV temporarily and see if the problem persists. If a new profile solves the problem, that means there is something specific to the account that is a problem. Are both accounts Administrator accounts? If the initial one is not, start down that path. Make it an administrator account and see if things change. > > Would this be Windows Vista or Win7? If so, you may want to check to see if Livecode has permission through your AV software to access the internet. It's all guessing though without having the system in front of me. > > Bob From dochawk at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 17:18:31 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:18:31 -0800 Subject: using send to "multi-task" ? [was: Non-blocking URL commands] In-Reply-To: <8F5BBC08-1A89-4BBE-98C7-F28BEA1F4295@me.com> References: <8F5BBC08-1A89-4BBE-98C7-F28BEA1F4295@me.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > No that isn't how it works. That is what I thought as well. Send in time really means >"do this after you have done everything else that is not send in time". The command will >still be a blocking command. I thought it was too good to be true :) Even so, it could get the user to the next field to start typing during the brief delay. > If you really want asynchronous database processing, save your query to a text file, then have a standalone m >onitor and read the text file read only, processing the query and deleting the text file when done. Have you app check > for the existence of the text file first before creating it to avoid overwriting a previous query. Have your standalone >create an error text file and check for that also before your app saves. My plan is similar: write to the local db with a timestamp, and the helper application periodically synchronizes it to the remote database. -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 20 17:32:23 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:32:23 -0600 Subject: Problem with the formattedWidth In-Reply-To: References: <50ABE4FD.9050400@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50AC04F7.1090809@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/20/12 2:34 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > It's only one line and I've tried it with dontWrap set to true and false > with the same result. > > I tried getting the formatted width of line 1 of the field and that does > seem to work reliably. interestingly, it reports a different value than the > formatted width of the field! Field margins, probably. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 20 17:38:33 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:38:33 -0600 Subject: iOS popover position In-Reply-To: <804CAF02-35DF-4313-A15F-3CFD2AE57857@sweattechnologies.com> References: <50AB0C11.2010003@hyperactivesw.com> <7066F00E-AFE9-44D0-87D9-879C16450E98@icloud.com> <50ABBA6C.7080105@hyperactivesw.com> <804CAF02-35DF-4313-A15F-3CFD2AE57857@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <50AC0669.3070504@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/20/12 3:05 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Hmm... Popovers don't exist on android as far as I know. If its a > contextual menu then mergPopMenu presents the appropriate native UI > (like the menu from a field selection) that your users will expect. > mergPopSheet presents an action sheet (not a popover with a table > view in it) which is also more appropriate for actions rather than > selections. If android doesn't have the pointer to the line which as > far as I know it doesn't then using the mobilePick command there > would work. So it would seem that a simple control structure is all > you need rather than hacking some button to be in line with where the > user touches. Yes, you're right of course. I've already got the button working though, it was pretty painless, just two lines of code. Next time, maybe; I've already way overrun budget on this project. It's a balancing act. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pete at lcsql.com Tue Nov 20 17:41:03 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:41:03 -0800 Subject: Table property settings In-Reply-To: References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> Message-ID: Sounds reasonable, although it seems then that you cannot have editable and non-editable cells interspersed with each other. I guess I'm also going back to the original question. Do these settings have equivalent properties or not? You mentioned the cRevGeneral one but neither the tooltip nor setting the LC Preference to display the property name reveals anything about the other two. Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > Oh, well cell editing obviously allows or disallows the editing of any of > the cells, maximum editable column is the last column you are allowed to > edit (meaning the columns beyond that will be visible but not editable) > forcing a wrap to the next line when you are tabbing through the last > column, and cell formatting will allow you to individually format each > cell, as opposed to the entire table having a unified formatting. > > HTH, Bob > > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > So does mine but that doesn't tell me what it does. > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Robert Sneidar > wrote: > > > >> My tooltip shows cREVTable[celledit] as the property for cell editing. I > >> suspect that you can get the array cREVTable of the table object and > >> determine more. > >> > >> Bob > >> > >> > >> On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> > >>> There are a couple of settings on the Table tab of a filed which don;t > >> seem > >>> to have any equivalent property names. > >>> > >>> What do the "cell editing", maximum editable column" and "cell > >> formatting" > >>> settings do? > >>> > >>> Pete > >>> lcSQL Software > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> use-livecode mailing list > >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 20 17:42:48 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:42:48 -0600 Subject: The properties property In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50AC0768.5030704@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/20/12 3:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > I think I've seen posts in the past mentioning that getting the properties > of an object doesn't return all of them but I didn't realise until today > just how many are missing. > > I've only been working with getting the properties of a stack but here's > just a partial list of missing properties: > > mainStack > systemWindow > Just about all the color/pattern properties (foregroundcolor, > foregroundPattern, etc) > location > textalign > > Is there any reliable way of getting a complete list of the properties > associated with an object? The only ones listed are the ones that can't be derived from the primaries. I.e., loc, height, width, etc can be determined from the rect. Mainstack can be determined from the long name. Specific colors and patterns can be derived from the colors and patterns properties. Not sure about text properties but there's probably something. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 20 17:46:43 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:46:43 -0600 Subject: Table property settings In-Reply-To: References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> Message-ID: <50AC0853.5010900@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/20/12 3:40 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > Hmmm... I cannot seem to be able to access the array as a whole, nor > the keys of the array. However I seem to be able to access the > elements of the array. What kind of weird beast is this? Is it a > custom property?? > > At any rate, pointing at the object in the inspector shows the > applicable property in the tooltip. Those are custom properties of RR's original table field, which the datagrid has now pretty much replaced. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Nov 20 17:53:22 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:53:22 +1100 Subject: iOS popover position In-Reply-To: <50AC0669.3070504@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50AB0C11.2010003@hyperactivesw.com> <7066F00E-AFE9-44D0-87D9-879C16450E98@icloud.com> <50ABBA6C.7080105@hyperactivesw.com> <804CAF02-35DF-4313-A15F-3CFD2AE57857@sweattechnologies.com> <50AC0669.3070504@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <58041509-B48D-4D93-92A1-1212A4EB0210@sweattechnologies.com> On 21/11/2012, at 9:38 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/20/12 3:05 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: >> Hmm... Popovers don't exist on android as far as I know. If its a >> contextual menu then mergPopMenu presents the appropriate native UI >> (like the menu from a field selection) that your users will expect. >> mergPopSheet presents an action sheet (not a popover with a table >> view in it) which is also more appropriate for actions rather than >> selections. If android doesn't have the pointer to the line which as >> far as I know it doesn't then using the mobilePick command there >> would work. So it would seem that a simple control structure is all >> you need rather than hacking some button to be in line with where the >> user touches. > > Yes, you're right of course. I've already got the button working though, it was pretty painless, just two lines of code. Next time, maybe; I've already way overrun budget on this project. It's a balancing act. I know all about balancing acts. Good luck with it. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application development for vertical markets mergExt - There's an external for that! From pete at lcsql.com Tue Nov 20 18:29:50 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:29:50 -0800 Subject: The properties property In-Reply-To: <50AC0768.5030704@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50AC0768.5030704@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Hi Jacque, Missing out the ones that can be derived from others seems reasonable and I've found a property named colors that fits that bill in terms of fore/background colors/patterns etc, and that the decorations property will contain "system" if systemWindow is true (or vice versa I guess). Still mystified by textAlign though. Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:42 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/20/12 3:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> I think I've seen posts in the past mentioning that getting the properties >> of an object doesn't return all of them but I didn't realise until today >> just how many are missing. >> >> I've only been working with getting the properties of a stack but here's >> just a partial list of missing properties: >> >> mainStack >> systemWindow >> Just about all the color/pattern properties (foregroundcolor, >> foregroundPattern, etc) >> location >> textalign >> >> Is there any reliable way of getting a complete list of the properties >> associated with an object? >> > > The only ones listed are the ones that can't be derived from the > primaries. I.e., loc, height, width, etc can be determined from the rect. > Mainstack can be determined from the long name. Specific colors and > patterns can be derived from the colors and patterns properties. Not sure > about text properties but there's probably something. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Tue Nov 20 22:07:56 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:07:56 -0500 Subject: My first LC iOS App approved today! In-Reply-To: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> Message-ID: <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> Thanks to all for your help making this happen LC community!!!!! "What a long strange trip it's been" The app's name is JBT. It is a b2b reference app for jewelry industry salesman. Couldn't have slid the maps by Apple without mergeMK. There is only 3 tests for iOS/Android: 1) For iOS I Change the "Exit" button to "Menu". 2) Platform specific font size calculation for native text fields. 3) For iOS I set the 10mb SQLite DB to "nobackup". Other than those 3 there is no platform specific code at all! LC came thru with the "One Code Base" claim I used LC 5.5.1 on a MacBook Pro OS X 10.6.8 Xcode 4.2. Now that it's approved I'm going to update the app with current DB and use LC 5.5.3 like the Android PlayStore app is now using. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Nov 20 22:26:35 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:26:35 -0800 Subject: The properties property In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50AC49EB.9090506@fourthworld.com> Peter Haworth wrote: > Missing out the ones that can be derived from others seems reasonable > and I've found a property named colors that fits that bill in terms > of fore/background colors/patterns etc, and that the decorations > property will contain "system" if systemWindow is true (or vice versa > I guess). Still mystified by textAlign though. It can sometimes help maintain one's sanity to know the backstory for something as seemingly bizarre as the current state of the properties function: It was originally added back in the MetaCard days at Kevin's request, so the first RunRev IDE could easily reproduce objects with syntax as simple as "set the properties of to the properties of ". After Raney added that for them, RunRev has since acquired the code base and, somewhat ironically, no longer depend on this property as they once did. So the properties you'll see supported tend to be older ones, and redundant ones like backgroundColor, also covered by the colors, aren't bothered with because they aren't needed for the original purpose of the function. All that said, as long as it's there is can be very helpful, but only if they make an effort to maintain it whenver they add new properties - there's a request in the bug DB to bring it current: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web ____________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From gbojsza at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 22:28:38 2012 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:28:38 -0500 Subject: Radio button in datagrid Message-ID: Hello, I would like to have a column in a datagrid that has a radio button. This isn't a problem but getting the radio buttons in the column to only hilite a single radio button at a time (similar to when you group radio buttons you can check hilite one radio button at a time under the group properties). Is this possible within the datagrid? thanks, Glen From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 20 22:31:05 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:31:05 -0600 Subject: My first LC iOS App approved today! In-Reply-To: <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> Message-ID: <50AC4AF9.9090607@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/20/12 9:07 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > Thanks to all for your help making this happen LC community!!!!! "What a > long strange trip it's been" That's great, Ralph! I know you've been working on this for a long time. Pat yourself on the back. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Nov 20 22:32:35 2012 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:32:35 +0800 Subject: Changing script editor font and size (Was: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC) In-Reply-To: References: <11B933D4-D4E9-4A7A-A53D-787CF0DD5C76@cox.net> <7235B46F-D209-45A3-968B-3E24E6C20DAF@cox.net> <1353428762.55115.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <43BA5F57-7A96-4F6F-9BA3-7DE8798E0777@cox.net> Message-ID: Although there is a Zoom feature in Universal Access, even when it's turned Off there is a Screen Zoom feature which can be used. Screen Zoom is available with any trackpad or if you have a Magic Mouse, Mighty Mouse or mouse with a scroll wheel. Press *Ctrl + Scroll UP (two finger if using a trackpad). It should be On by default but you can access it via the TackPad or Mouse Preference Pane. It's easy to get the LC Preference Pane to fill the screen and that is only at about 15% of the available magnification! If I go all the way I can magnify it so only two lines vertically and about 18 characters horizontally FILL the screen. The trick is to place the cursor over what you want magnified, then when you magnify it will be right in the middle of your screen. This obviously isn't a working solution, you can't work with the script editor this way, but for those occasional situations where you need to read the tiny print of a Preference Pane, Get Info window or Installer Dialog instruction, it works like a charm. And one other use of Screen Zoom; for some reason, every now and then I get a DVD (typically old) that even after selecting Full Screen, displays the movie with a large border around it. Screen Zoom quickly fixes that. HTH *It's the Ctrl key not the usual Cmd key. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Hi Joe, > Not sure what platform you are on but Macs have a Universal Access control > panel in the Settings that has various options to help in these > circumstances, not just with Livecode but with any program. I'm sure > there's something equivalent on Windows too. > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins > wrote: > > > Thanks Jan. I'll see (I hope) if I can find it. Is there a way to > increase > > the Font Size of the Preferences? That would make finding other things a > > lot easier. The Dictionary is also very tiny. (sigh!) That's my world. > > > > Gracias a todos! > > > > Jose > > > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > > > > > Hi Joe, > > > > > > You can definitely modify the script editor settings: > > > - Go to menu 'Edit' item 'Preferences' - then select 'Script editor' in > > the left-hand side list. > > > - In the right-hand side panel you should see option menus for the font > > and size. > > > > > > On my Windows machine I picked Consolas size 12; I just tried switching > > it to size 18 and it worked like a charm. > > > > > > HTH, > > > > > > Jan Schenkel. > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode > > > www.quartam.com > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same > > time." (La Rochefoucauld) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Joe Lewis Wilkins > > > To: How to use LiveCode > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:50 PM > > > Subject: Re: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC > > > > > > Hi Bernie, et al: > > > Yeah, I followed it at the time, but was never satisfied with the > > results. Again, it goes back to my poor vision. I have managed to resolve > > all my issues in a somewhat clumsy fashion that took me ages to > accomplish. > > Turns out it was a good thing, since I had left a script poorly coded at > > one time and it was going to work irrationally if at all when I tried > using > > some of its handlers. LC balked, fortunately. The errors are so small > that > > I didn't even notice them and I have yet to figure out how I can increase > > their font size. (sigh!) At the moment I'm being harrassed by a fly > that's > > driving me crazy. > > > > > > Thanks gang! > > > > > > Joe Wilkins > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pepetoo at cox.net Tue Nov 20 23:34:42 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:34:42 -0800 Subject: Changing script editor font and size (Was: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC) In-Reply-To: References: <11B933D4-D4E9-4A7A-A53D-787CF0DD5C76@cox.net> <7235B46F-D209-45A3-968B-3E24E6C20DAF@cox.net> <1353428762.55115.YahooMailNeo@web141103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <43BA5F57-7A96-4F6F-9BA3-7DE8798E0777@cox.net> Message-ID: <45F9ECAB-DFFD-420A-82B1-2E88A5D895D8@cox.net> Thanks guys. I use all of these features on my MacPro and 30" Monitor, but with a couple of broken fingers on my right hand, coupled with the poor vision, it is a real hassle. Reaching 80 in April, so I've got lots of other health issues as well. Were it not for my Mac, I'd have packed it in ages ago. (smile) I just enjoy bitching! One of my few vices!!! Thanks for tolerating my occasional query. Joe Wilkins On Nov 20, 2012, at 7:32 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > Although there is a Zoom feature in Universal Access, even when it's turned > Off there is a Screen Zoom feature which can be used. Screen Zoom is > available with any trackpad or if you have a Magic Mouse, Mighty Mouse or > mouse with a scroll wheel. Press *Ctrl + Scroll UP (two finger if using a > trackpad). It should be On by default but you can access it via the TackPad > or Mouse Preference Pane. It's easy to get the LC Preference Pane to fill > the screen and that is only at about 15% of the available magnification! If > I go all the way I can magnify it so only two lines vertically and about 18 > characters horizontally FILL the screen. The trick is to place the cursor > over what you want magnified, then when you magnify it will be right in the > middle of your screen. > > This obviously isn't a working solution, you can't work with the script > editor this way, but for those occasional situations where you need to read > the tiny print of a Preference Pane, Get Info window or Installer Dialog > instruction, it works like a charm. > > And one other use of Screen Zoom; for some reason, every now and then I get > a DVD (typically old) that even after selecting Full Screen, displays the > movie with a large border around it. Screen Zoom quickly fixes that. > > HTH > *It's the Ctrl key not the usual Cmd key. > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> Hi Joe, >> Not sure what platform you are on but Macs have a Universal Access control >> panel in the Settings that has various options to help in these >> circumstances, not just with Livecode but with any program. I'm sure >> there's something equivalent on Windows too. >> Pete >> lcSQL Software >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Jan. I'll see (I hope) if I can find it. Is there a way to >> increase >>> the Font Size of the Preferences? That would make finding other things a >>> lot easier. The Dictionary is also very tiny. (sigh!) That's my world. >>> >>> Gracias a todos! >>> >>> Jose >>> >>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Joe, >>>> >>>> You can definitely modify the script editor settings: >>>> - Go to menu 'Edit' item 'Preferences' - then select 'Script editor' in >>> the left-hand side list. >>>> - In the right-hand side panel you should see option menus for the font >>> and size. >>>> >>>> On my Windows machine I picked Consolas size 12; I just tried switching >>> it to size 18 and it worked like a charm. >>>> >>>> HTH, >>>> >>>> Jan Schenkel. >>>> >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode >>>> www.quartam.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same >>> time." (La Rochefoucauld) >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Joe Lewis Wilkins >>>> To: How to use LiveCode >>>> Cc: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:50 PM >>>> Subject: Re: SOMETHING PRETTY BASSIC >>>> >>>> Hi Bernie, et al: >>>> Yeah, I followed it at the time, but was never satisfied with the >>> results. Again, it goes back to my poor vision. I have managed to resolve >>> all my issues in a somewhat clumsy fashion that took me ages to >> accomplish. >>> Turns out it was a good thing, since I had left a script poorly coded at >>> one time and it was going to work irrationally if at all when I tried >> using >>> some of its handlers. LC balked, fortunately. The errors are so small >> that >>> I didn't even notice them and I have yet to figure out how I can increase >>> their font size. (sigh!) At the moment I'm being harrassed by a fly >> that's >>> driving me crazy. >>>> >>>> Thanks gang! >>>> >>>> Joe Wilkins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Nov 21 00:16:43 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:16:43 -0800 Subject: My first LC iOS App approved today! In-Reply-To: <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> Message-ID: <85522031000.20121120211643@ahsoftware.net> Ralph- Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 7:07:56 PM, you wrote: > Thanks to all for your help making this happen LC community!!!!! "What a > long strange trip it's been" Yowza! Congratulations! -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From michael-kristensen at dsa-net.dk Wed Nov 21 02:04:47 2012 From: michael-kristensen at dsa-net.dk (Michael Kristensen) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:04:47 +0100 Subject: Sharing a little stack Message-ID: <2C05A7B4-2619-4E7A-8B81-09E96582ABF4@dsa-net.dk> Hi David Line = Poly1 Yellow Rect = Poly2 Field = Thicknes This is the script inside one of the small squares. Adjust the script for the other one accordingly. local gDragging,loc2,T on mouseDown put true into gDragging put line 2 of points of grc Poly1 into loc2 put fld Thicknes into T end mouseDown on mouseUp put false into gDragging end mouseUp on mouseRelease put false into gDragging end mouseRelease on mouseMove x,y if x,y is within the rect of this cd then if gDragging is true then set loc of me to x,y set points of grc Poly1 to x,y & return & loc2 ------Vinger----------------------------------- put points of grc Poly1 into xPoints put item 1 of line 1 of xPoints into x1 put item 2 of line 1 of xPoints into y1 put item 1 of line 2 of xPoints into x2 put item 2 of line 2 of xPoints into y2 put x2-x1 into dX put y2-y1 into dY put sqrt(dX^2 + dY^2) into L?ng if L?ng = 0 then exit mouseMove put T/L?ng into Skala put round(-dX*Skala) into dYny put round(dY*Skala) into dXny put round(dX*Skala) into dYny2 put round(-dY*Skala) into dXny2 put x1+dXny,y1+dYny & return into xBox put x2+dXny,y2+dYny & return after xBox put x2+dXny2,y2+dYny2 & return after xBox put x1+dXny2,y1+dYny2 & return after xBox put x1+dXny,y1+dYny after xBox set points of grc Poly2 to xBox ----------------------------------------------------- end if end if end mouseMove Michael From sc at sahores-conseil.com Wed Nov 21 05:13:57 2012 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:13:57 +0100 Subject: My first LC iOS App approved today! In-Reply-To: <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> Message-ID: <6CF7564E-F828-4555-88A5-67ACA80CCD2F@sahores-conseil.com> Kudos, Ralph ! That's great ;D Warm regards, Pierre Le 21 nov. 2012 ? 04:07, Ralph DiMola a ?crit : > Thanks to all for your help making this happen LC community!!!!! "What a > long strange trip it's been" > > The app's name is JBT. It is a b2b reference app for jewelry industry > salesman. Couldn't have slid the maps by Apple without mergeMK. > > There is only 3 tests for iOS/Android: > 1) For iOS I Change the "Exit" button to "Menu". > 2) Platform specific font size calculation for native text fields. > 3) For iOS I set the 10mb SQLite DB to "nobackup". > > Other than those 3 there is no platform specific code at all! LC came thru > with the "One Code Base" claim > > I used LC 5.5.1 on a MacBook Pro OS X 10.6.8 Xcode 4.2. > > Now that it's approved I'm going to update the app with current DB and use > LC 5.5.3 like the Android PlayStore app is now using. > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From andre.rombauts at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 05:52:24 2012 From: andre.rombauts at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Rombauts?=) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:52:24 +0100 Subject: My first LC iOS App approved today! In-Reply-To: <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> Message-ID: <600B9BB0-C61C-4253-81F8-45C200242119@gmail.com> Great ! But I don't find it in the App Store Le 21 nov. 2012 ? 04:07, Ralph DiMola a ?crit : > The app's name is JBT. It is a b2b reference app for jewelry industry > salesman. Couldn't have slid the maps by Apple without mergeMK. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 07:14:16 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:14:16 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> On 11/18/2012 08:04 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Richmond, > > You need to set the gRevAppIcon and the gRevSmallAppIcon to an existing ID number of an image control. You can also use the commands answer error, answer information, answer question and answer warning. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > That works very well indeed in Macintosh Is there a way to do the same sort of thing for Windows and Linux? From klaus at major.on-rev.com Wed Nov 21 07:18:38 2012 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:18:38 +0100 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <03163EF4-7D46-4BB5-A9BD-C0216930AD40@major.on-rev.com> Hi Richmond, Am 21.11.2012 um 13:14 schrieb Richmond : > On 11/18/2012 08:04 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: >> Hi Richmond, >> You need to set the gRevAppIcon and the gRevSmallAppIcon to an existing ID number of an image control. You can also use the commands answer error, answer information, answer question and answer warning. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Schonewille > That works very well indeed in Macintosh > Is there a way to do the same sort of thing for Windows and Linux? Yes, sure, just do the same sort of thing on Windows and Linux :-D Come on, Richmond! ;-) Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Nov 21 07:52:38 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 07:52:38 -0500 Subject: My first LC iOS App approved today! In-Reply-To: <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> Message-ID: <65441A22-3005-4AB8-A598-1DF65B9AC4E0@mac.com> Ralph, Congratulations on this. What a great feeling. Tom -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > Thanks to all for your help making this happen LC community!!!!! "What a > long strange trip it's been" > > The app's name is JBT. It is a b2b reference app for jewelry industry > salesman. Couldn't have slid the maps by Apple without mergeMK. > > There is only 3 tests for iOS/Android: > 1) For iOS I Change the "Exit" button to "Menu". > 2) Platform specific font size calculation for native text fields. > 3) For iOS I set the 10mb SQLite DB to "nobackup". > > Other than those 3 there is no platform specific code at all! LC came thru > with the "One Code Base" claim > > I used LC 5.5.1 on a MacBook Pro OS X 10.6.8 Xcode 4.2. > > Now that it's approved I'm going to update the app with current DB and use > LC 5.5.3 like the Android PlayStore app is now using. > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Wed Nov 21 08:06:04 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:06:04 -0500 Subject: My first LC iOS App approved today! In-Reply-To: <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> Message-ID: <1EA20F8C-33C8-4DB2-AB5E-0230A8306B80@verizon.net> Searching for "jbt" or "jewelry" will get you lots of apps about a band or connect four like games. Searching for "jbt sectionals" still shows nothing online for iOS, but will show the app if you search on your iPhone. Here's the Google Play page: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jewelersboard.app.sectional On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > > > >The app's name is JBT. It is a b2b reference app for jewelry industry > salesman. Couldn't have slid the maps by Apple without mergeMK. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 08:42:47 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:42:47 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <03163EF4-7D46-4BB5-A9BD-C0216930AD40@major.on-rev.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> <03163EF4-7D46-4BB5-A9BD-C0216930AD40@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <50ACDA57.2060106@gmail.com> On 11/21/2012 02:18 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Richmond, > > Am 21.11.2012 um 13:14 schrieb Richmond : > >> On 11/18/2012 08:04 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: >>> Hi Richmond, >>> You need to set the gRevAppIcon and the gRevSmallAppIcon to an existing ID number of an image control. You can also use the commands answer error, answer information, answer question and answer warning. >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Mark Schonewille >> That works very well indeed in Macintosh >> Is there a way to do the same sort of thing for Windows and Linux? > Yes, sure, just do the same sort of thing on Windows and Linux :-D > > Come on, Richmond! ;-) Presumably that is why the Built-In Documentation says that this is a Mac OS X only feature? Also, distrusting the Documentation to a certain extent, I just made a wee stack called "Dachs" [that's a special cross-linguistic joke for Klaus] containing a stackScript: on openStack global gRevAppIcon put 1003 into gRevAppIcon end openStack one image, ID 1003, and a button: on mouseUp answer "does this work?" end mouseUp Try it . . . works on Mac, doesn't on Linux, and, doesn't with Wine (aka Fake Windows). Come on, Klaus! ;-) > > > Best > > Klaus > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From klaus at major.on-rev.com Wed Nov 21 08:53:42 2012 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:53:42 +0100 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <50ACDA57.2060106@gmail.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> <03163EF4-7D46-4BB5-A9BD-C0216930AD40@major.on-rev.com> <50ACDA57.2060106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5E0AE61C-C284-4042-8CD4-47F358F106B8@major.on-rev.com> Hi Richmond, Am 21.11.2012 um 14:42 schrieb Richmond : > On 11/21/2012 02:18 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote: >> Hi Richmond, >> Am 21.11.2012 um 13:14 schrieb Richmond : >>> On 11/18/2012 08:04 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: >>>> Hi Richmond, >>>> You need to set the gRevAppIcon and the gRevSmallAppIcon to an existing ID number of an image control. You can also use the commands answer error, answer information, answer question and answer warning. >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Mark Schonewille >>> That works very well indeed in Macintosh >>> Is there a way to do the same sort of thing for Windows and Linux? >> Yes, sure, just do the same sort of thing on Windows and Linux :-D >> Come on, Richmond! ;-) > > Presumably that is why the Built-In Documentation says that this is a Mac OS X only feature? how embarrassing, of course you are correct, Richmond! > Also, distrusting the Documentation to a certain extent, I just made a wee stack called "Dachs" > [that's a special cross-linguistic joke for Klaus] Got it: We don't need no stinking Dachse! :-D > containing a stackScript: > on openStack > global gRevAppIcon > put 1003 into gRevAppIcon > end openStack > > one image, ID 1003, and a button: > on mouseUp > answer "does this work?" > end mouseUp > > Try it . . . works on Mac, doesn't on Linux, and, doesn't with Wine (aka Fake Windows). > > Come on, Klaus! ;-) Yes, beat me, I'm so ashamed... I think my presumption that this does work crossplatform is caused in the fact that I don't see any reason why this should not work on Win and Linux, because this is PURE Livecode!? But maybe I am overlooking some platform specific facts? Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed Nov 21 09:00:39 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:00:39 -0500 Subject: My first LC iOS App approved today! In-Reply-To: <1EA20F8C-33C8-4DB2-AB5E-0230A8306B80@verizon.net> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> <1EA20F8C-33C8-4DB2-AB5E-0230A8306B80@verizon.net> Message-ID: <47713E86-CCBD-4031-926C-61EC0D3205DB@mac.com> IT shows up now when searching "jbt sectionals" . Nice job Ralph? -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 21, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Searching for "jbt" or "jewelry" will get you lots of apps about a band or connect four like games. Searching for "jbt sectionals" still shows nothing online for iOS, but will show the app if you search on your iPhone. From coiin at verizon.net Wed Nov 21 09:55:40 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:55:40 -0500 Subject: My first LC iOS App approved today! In-Reply-To: <47713E86-CCBD-4031-926C-61EC0D3205DB@mac.com> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> <1EA20F8C-33C8-4DB2-AB5E-0230A8306B80@verizon.net> <47713E86-CCBD-4031-926C-61EC0D3205DB@mac.com> Message-ID: Must be taking some time to propagate, the iTunes one doesn't show for me in NYC yet. Just searching for "jbt sectionals" does show the Google Play version, but no iTunes. Doing a search for "jbt sectionals" iTunes gives this: No results found for "jbt sectionals" itunes. Results for jbt sectionals itunes (without quotes): On Nov 21, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >IT shows up now when searching "jbt sectionals" . From janschenkel at yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 10:56:07 2012 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 07:56:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1353513367.45444.YahooMailNeo@web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The badging is implemented specifically to help Mac developers comply with the OS X Human Interface Guidelines. See: There's no precedent for this badging on Windows or Linux, and while you may personally find this a desirable feature accross all platforms, the RunRev team wants to help us create a native user experience and tries to stop us from creating user interfaces which look and feel alien to native users. That said, if you feel adventurous, you can edit the script of card 1 of stack "Answer dialog" and remove the platform check for the code pertaining to gRevSmallAppIcon ;-) Cheers, Jan Schenkel. ? ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ----- Original Message ----- From: Richmond To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:14 PM Subject: Re: "Badge" in answer modal? On 11/18/2012 08:04 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Richmond, >? > You need to set the gRevAppIcon and the gRevSmallAppIcon to an existing ID number of an image control. You can also use the commands answer error, answer information, answer question and answer warning. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > That works very well indeed in Macintosh Is there a way to do the same sort of thing for Windows and Linux? _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From klaus at major.on-rev.com Wed Nov 21 11:10:46 2012 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:10:46 +0100 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <1353513367.45444.YahooMailNeo@web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> <1353513367.45444.YahooMailNeo@web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <84B89E76-EF2D-4FBF-9D06-6E0EE0599EB6@major.on-rev.com> Hi Jan, Am 21.11.2012 um 16:56 schrieb Jan Schenkel : > The badging is implemented specifically to help Mac developers comply with the OS X Human Interface Guidelines. > See: > > There's no precedent for this badging on Windows or Linux, and while you may personally find this a desirable feature accross all platforms, the RunRev team wants to help us create a native user experience and tries to stop us from creating user interfaces which look and feel alien to native users. AHA! Thanks a lot for this explanation, makes sense! > That said, if you feel adventurous, you can edit the script of card 1 of stack "Answer dialog" and remove the platform check for the code pertaining to gRevSmallAppIcon ;-) Well, maybe during the christmas holidays... ;-) > Cheers, > > Jan Schenkel. Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Wed Nov 21 11:19:28 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:19:28 -0500 Subject: My first LC iOS App approved today! In-Reply-To: References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> <1EA20F8C-33C8-4DB2-AB5E-0230A8306B80@verizon.net> <47713E86-CCBD-4031-926C-61EC0D3205DB@mac.com> Message-ID: <016401cdc803$fb6b4220$f241c660$@net> Thanks all! Colin, I just searched for "jbt sectionals" on my iPad and my app was the only one listed. Strange... I'm in NY state 50 miles north of Albany. I would think we would search from the same servers. My keywords in iTunes Connect(without quotes)==>"The Jewelers Board of Trade (JBT) Sectional Sectionals Ratings Jewelery" I just noticed that I misspelled Jewelry. It can't be edited in the meta data screen. How can I change this? Andre, I did not open it up to all the other Countries. It is now available world-wide. Thanks for the heads up! Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Colin Holgate Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:56 AM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: My first LC iOS App approved today! Must be taking some time to propagate, the iTunes one doesn't show for me in NYC yet. Just searching for "jbt sectionals" does show the Google Play version, but no iTunes. Doing a search for "jbt sectionals" iTunes gives this: No results found for "jbt sectionals" itunes. Results for jbt sectionals itunes (without quotes): On Nov 21, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >IT shows up now when searching "jbt sectionals" . _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From coiin at verizon.net Wed Nov 21 11:48:47 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:48:47 -0500 Subject: My first LC iOS App approved today! In-Reply-To: <016401cdc803$fb6b4220$f241c660$@net> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> <1EA20F8C-33C8-4DB2-AB5E-0230A8306B80@verizon.net> <47713E86-CCBD-4031-926C-61EC0D3205DB@mac.com> <016401cdc803$fb6b4220$f241c660$@net> Message-ID: <16075D43-B7E6-4BA1-A300-F522D31F59F4@verizon.net> I was referring to web searches, like on your computer. I mentioned that it is found on iPhone, that applies to iPad too. On Nov 21, 2012, at 11:19 AM, "Ralph DiMola" wrote: > Colin, > I just searched for "jbt sectionals" on my iPad and my app was the only one > listed. Strange... I'm in NY state 50 miles north of Albany. From pete at lcsql.com Wed Nov 21 11:52:35 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:52:35 -0800 Subject: The properties property In-Reply-To: <50AC49EB.9090506@fourthworld.com> References: <50AC49EB.9090506@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the history behind this Richard. I also tried using the templatexxx objects as a source of all properties but it appears that they are basically empty until you set their properties. Or perhaps I was using the wrong syntax. I tried "put the templateStack into tArray" and "put the keys of the templatestack into tProps" with no luck (compile/runtime errors), so looks like that is a blind alley too. Since the bug you referred to has been there since 2005, I'm not holding my breath that it will ever get any attention! Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Peter Haworth wrote: > > > Missing out the ones that can be derived from others seems reasonable > > and I've found a property named colors that fits that bill in terms > > of fore/background colors/patterns etc, and that the decorations > > property will contain "system" if systemWindow is true (or vice versa > > I guess). Still mystified by textAlign though. > > It can sometimes help maintain one's sanity to know the backstory for > something as seemingly bizarre as the current state of the properties > function: > > It was originally added back in the MetaCard days at Kevin's request, so > the first RunRev IDE could easily reproduce objects with syntax as simple > as "set the properties of to the properties of ". > > After Raney added that for them, RunRev has since acquired the code base > and, somewhat ironically, no longer depend on this property as they once > did. > > So the properties you'll see supported tend to be older ones, and > redundant ones like backgroundColor, also covered by the colors, aren't > bothered with because they aren't needed for the original purpose of the > function. > > All that said, as long as it's there is can be very helpful, but only if > they make an effort to maintain it whenver they add new properties - > there's a request in the bug DB to bring it current: > > > > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web > ______________________________**______________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pete at lcsql.com Wed Nov 21 12:22:39 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:22:39 -0800 Subject: load URL Message-ID: I'm using load URL to download a simple text file from my web site; the filename ends with ".txt". If I include the ".txt" in the URL, the load completes successfully but the cached URL is empty. If I omit the ".txt" from the URL, the cached URL shows the correct contents. IS this expected behavior? Pete lcSQL Software From andre.rombauts at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 12:48:01 2012 From: andre.rombauts at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Rombauts?=) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:48:01 +0100 Subject: load URL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Use instead put URL "http://domain.tld/tesrt.txt" into field "Display", for instance Le 21 nov. 2012 ? 18:22, Peter Haworth a ?crit : > I'm using load URL to download a simple text file from my web site; the > filename ends with ".txt". If I include the ".txt" in the URL, the load > completes successfully but the cached URL is empty. If I omit the ".txt" > from the URL, the cached URL shows the correct contents. > > IS this expected behavior? > > Pete > lcSQL Software > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 12:51:13 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:51:13 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <5E0AE61C-C284-4042-8CD4-47F358F106B8@major.on-rev.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> <03163EF4-7D46-4BB5-A9BD-C0216930AD40@major.on-rev.com> <50ACDA57.2060106@gmail.com> <5E0AE61C-C284-4042-8CD4-47F358F106B8@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <50AD1491.6040606@gmail.com> On 11/21/2012 03:53 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi Richmond, > > Am 21.11.2012 um 14:42 schrieb Richmond : > >> On 11/21/2012 02:18 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote: >>> Hi Richmond, >>> Am 21.11.2012 um 13:14 schrieb Richmond : >>>> On 11/18/2012 08:04 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: >>>>> Hi Richmond, >>>>> You need to set the gRevAppIcon and the gRevSmallAppIcon to an existing ID number of an image control. You can also use the commands answer error, answer information, answer question and answer warning. >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Mark Schonewille >>>> That works very well indeed in Macintosh >>>> Is there a way to do the same sort of thing for Windows and Linux? >>> Yes, sure, just do the same sort of thing on Windows and Linux :-D >>> Come on, Richmond! ;-) >> Presumably that is why the Built-In Documentation says that this is a Mac OS X only feature? > how embarrassing, of course you are correct, Richmond! > >> Also, distrusting the Documentation to a certain extent, I just made a wee stack called "Dachs" >> [that's a special cross-linguistic joke for Klaus] > Got it: We don't need no stinking Dachse! :-D > >> containing a stackScript: >> on openStack >> global gRevAppIcon >> put 1003 into gRevAppIcon >> end openStack >> >> one image, ID 1003, and a button: >> on mouseUp >> answer "does this work?" >> end mouseUp >> >> Try it . . . works on Mac, doesn't on Linux, and, doesn't with Wine (aka Fake Windows). >> >> Come on, Klaus! ;-) > Yes, beat me, I'm so ashamed... > > I think my presumption that this does work crossplatform is caused in the fact that I don't see any > reason why this should not work on Win and Linux, because this is PURE Livecode!? "PURE Livecode" is a contradiction in terms: Every time Sancho Panza rides his donkey he thinks "I could go far faster on Don Quixote's horse." Every operating system puts limitations on whatever "floats on top of it". > > But maybe I am overlooking some platform specific facts? > > > Best > > Klaus > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major.on-rev.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 12:55:18 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:55:18 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <1353513367.45444.YahooMailNeo@web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> <1353513367.45444.YahooMailNeo@web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50AD1586.7010808@gmail.com> On 11/21/2012 05:56 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > The badging is implemented specifically to help Mac developers comply with the OS X Human Interface Guidelines. > See: > > There's no precedent for this badging on Windows or Linux, and while you may personally find this a desirable feature accross all platforms, the RunRev team wants to help us create a native user experience and tries to stop us from creating user interfaces which look and feel alien to native users. > > That said, if you feel adventurous, you can edit the script of card 1 of stack "Answer dialog" and remove the platform check for the code pertaining to gRevSmallAppIcon ;-) > > Cheers, > > Jan Schenkel. > > I really do want my software to look pretty much the same cross-platform, regardless of anybody's interface guidelines. I do like the Mac badging thing because it means that when a window pops up saying "disabled in DEMO" the application's icon is "in yer face" of the user, and hints that, maybe, it is time to shell out the moolah. From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Wed Nov 21 13:26:41 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:26:41 -0500 Subject: My first LC iOS App approved today! In-Reply-To: <16075D43-B7E6-4BA1-A300-F522D31F59F4@verizon.net> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> <1EA20F8C-33C8-4DB2-AB5E-0230A8306B80@verizon.net> <47713E86-CCBD-4031-926C-61EC0D3205DB@mac.com> <016401cdc803$fb6b4220$f241c660$@net> <16075D43-B7E6-4BA1-A300-F522D31F59F4@verizon.net> Message-ID: <017701cdc815$c0fc6fd0$42f54f70$@net> Does anyone know how to change an iOS apps "Keywords"? I have a spelling error. When I edit the meta data in iTunes Connect the Keywords field is not editable. Thanks Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net From zellner at tamu.edu Wed Nov 21 13:32:33 2012 From: zellner at tamu.edu (Ronald Zellner) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:32:33 -0600 Subject: declaring variables Message-ID: I was using the code that was recently presented for-- Re: Sharing a little stack (Michael Kristensen). When I copied the code and clicked the Apply button, the LC editor repeatedly would not let me use a variable unless I first entered it in the list of Local variables. I have seen this before when using code and when opening and editing older stacks. Also, lines like put fld Thicknes into T had to be changed by adding quotes to put fld "Thicknes" into T before the script could be applied. I assume it worked for Michael as presented. Is this something that can be ignored, or do I have some setting wrong in my LC? Thanks, Ron From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Nov 21 13:34:08 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:34:08 -0800 Subject: The properties property In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50AD1EA0.1040903@fourthworld.com> Peter Haworth wrote: > Thanks for the history behind this Richard. Hope it was helpful. I've found that any tool with a long history behind it will have some anomalies related to its storied past, and while it won't make them go away it helps us keep our sanity in dealing with them. :) > I also tried using the templatexxx objects as a source of all properties > but it appears that they are basically empty until you set their > properties. Or perhaps I was using the wrong syntax. I tried "put the > templateStack into tArray" and "put the keys of the templatestack into > tProps" with no luck (compile/runtime errors), so looks like that is a > blind alley too. Try: put the properties of the templateStack into tArray The template objects are very useful in this regard, since they contain all of the default property settings. In circumstances where compactness matters, you can use an array that contains only the deltas from the defaults to create a specific object by just applying those to the relevant template object, and since the defaults are in place you'll have a complete object with the unique attributes you're looking for with minimal overhead. > Since the bug you referred to has been there since 2005, I'm not holding my > breath that it will ever get any attention! It would be nice, but apparently only a few of us use "the properties" this way, so the task of keeping it up to date with the ever-increasing range of object properties added has been a low priority, in part because it's only mildly tedious to write a replacement function ourselves to do what we need. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Wed Nov 21 13:35:53 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:35:53 -0500 Subject: declaring variables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <017b01cdc817$0a165090$1e42f1b0$@net> Turn off "Strict Compilation" mode in the prefs and you will see the old behavior. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ronald Zellner Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:33 PM To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Subject: declaring variables I was using the code that was recently presented for-- Re: Sharing a little stack (Michael Kristensen). When I copied the code and clicked the Apply button, the LC editor repeatedly would not let me use a variable unless I first entered it in the list of Local variables. I have seen this before when using code and when opening and editing older stacks. Also, lines like put fld Thicknes into T had to be changed by adding quotes to put fld "Thicknes" into T before the script could be applied. I assume it worked for Michael as presented. Is this something that can be ignored, or do I have some setting wrong in my LC? Thanks, Ron _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Nov 21 13:37:47 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:37:47 -0800 Subject: Mark Smith archive In-Reply-To: <27EF5363-BA6B-4079-93D5-42D4D16626F7@m-r-d.de> References: <27EF5363-BA6B-4079-93D5-42D4D16626F7@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <50AD1F7B.1040102@fourthworld.com> Matthias Rebbe wrote: > they are still there? > > http://marksmith.on-rev.com/revstuff/files/ Thanks! I was using the web page, where some of the links are 404. Very nice that Mark explicitly shared these with free licenses. His contributions are very valuable additions to the community, and it's encouraging that so many of us now have complete copies of his archive in case his site goes offline in the future. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From userev at canelasoftware.com Wed Nov 21 13:51:02 2012 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:51:02 -0800 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: <882787C4-E1E9-4FA7-A743-C63328E02E57@sweattechnologies.com> References: <6C58DCBA-899A-48B2-A127-23325D8DDD80@sweattechnologies.com> <4F95570E-EFF3-488A-8935-E9611BDF7129@mac.com> <635FABA1-68CE-45AB-8BC3-81C58304B8B1@sweattechnologies.com> <336734CC-FED4-4D9A-A2E3-46852E26F667@mac.com> <882787C4-E1E9-4FA7-A743-C63328E02E57@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <1EAA97BD-5BFF-472F-AD03-785CEF25CED0@canelasoftware.com> On Nov 19, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > It doesn't look like this will happen in the short term folks. It's not that it's not possible. It just doesn't appear that the funding will be there. The mergExt business model rubs some people up the wrong way unfortunately. If anyone can come up with a business model that gives LC developers what they need to meet specific requirements, keeps prices low enough so that people can use it and can cope with a very low volume of sales then I'm all ears. Until then this is all I'm able to offer the LC community. For what it's worth this external only needs about $350 worth of funding to get off the ground. > > Cheers > > Monte Canela Software will cover the remaining funding for this project. How should we proceed? Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com From iowahengst at mac.com Wed Nov 21 14:05:11 2012 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:05:11 -0600 Subject: My first LC iOS App approved today! In-Reply-To: <017701cdc815$c0fc6fd0$42f54f70$@net> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> <1EA20F8C-33C8-4DB2-AB5E-0230A8306B80@verizon.net> <47713E86-CCBD-4031-926C-61EC0D3205DB@mac.com> <016401cdc803$fb6b4220$f241c660$@net> <16075D43-B7E6-4BA1-A300-F522D31F59F4@verizon.net> <017701cdc815$c0fc6fd0$42f54f70$@net> Message-ID: <17E0BCA8-F4E4-44B7-AF28-11F1DD282B31@mac.com> Hi Ralph, You can change keywords when submitting an update. be well, randy ----- On Nov 21, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > Does anyone know how to change an iOS apps "Keywords"? I have a spelling > error. When I edit the meta data in iTunes Connect the Keywords field is not > editable. > > Thanks > > Ralph DiMola > IT Director > Evergreen Information Services > rdimola at evergreeninfo.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 21 14:07:25 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:07:25 -0600 Subject: My first LC iOS App approved today! In-Reply-To: <017701cdc815$c0fc6fd0$42f54f70$@net> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> <1EA20F8C-33C8-4DB2-AB5E-0230A8306B80@verizon.net> <47713E86-CCBD-4031-926C-61EC0D3205DB@mac.com> <016401cdc803$fb6b4220$f241c660$@net> <16075D43-B7E6-4BA1-A300-F522D31F59F4@verizon.net> <017701cdc815$c0fc6fd0$42f54f70$@net> Message-ID: <50AD266D.6000602@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/21/12 12:26 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > Does anyone know how to change an iOS apps "Keywords"? I have a spelling > error. When I edit the meta data in iTunes Connect the Keywords field is not > editable. Keywords are part of the approval process and can only be changed when an update is released. But because it's just a misspelling you could write to Apple dev support and see if they'd fix it for you. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Wed Nov 21 14:28:18 2012 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:28:18 -0500 Subject: My first LC iOS App approved today! In-Reply-To: <50AD266D.6000602@hyperactivesw.com> References: <8FF65454-D064-43F1-8A45-A6E3E1942A1F@me.com> <00e301cdc795$67ecf750$37c6e5f0$@net> <1EA20F8C-33C8-4DB2-AB5E-0230A8306B80@verizon.net> <47713E86-CCBD-4031-926C-61EC0D3205DB@mac.com> <016401cdc803$fb6b4220$f241c660$@net> <16075D43-B7E6-4BA1-A300-F522D31F59F4@verizon.net> <017701cdc815$c0fc6fd0$42f54f70$@net> <50AD266D.6000602@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <017f01cdc81e$5c9dc530$15d94f90$@net> Jacque/Randy I'm submitting for a db update today anyway. I will change it when submit the update. Thanks! Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:07 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: My first LC iOS App approved today! On 11/21/12 12:26 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote: > Does anyone know how to change an iOS apps "Keywords"? I have a > spelling error. When I edit the meta data in iTunes Connect the > Keywords field is not editable. Keywords are part of the approval process and can only be changed when an update is released. But because it's just a misspelling you could write to Apple dev support and see if they'd fix it for you. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Nov 21 14:31:28 2012 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:31:28 -0800 Subject: Mark Smith archive In-Reply-To: <50AD1F7B.1040102@fourthworld.com> References: <27EF5363-BA6B-4079-93D5-42D4D16626F7@m-r-d.de> <50AD1F7B.1040102@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Mark's experiments often pushed the Rev envelope. His Waveform stack blew me away with it's cleverness, however, there are a few bugs that appear in more recent versions of livecode which I hope to repair and re-post someday. We were going to collaborate on audio extraction from stacks, and he inspired me to look further into it. BTW, Mark's library for reading META data from mp3 files will work in the Livecode server environment. Some of the data tables are stored in custom properties, but in tests with Server 5.0.2 show it works just like the desktop. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Matthias Rebbe wrote: > > they are still there? >> >> http://marksmith.on-rev.com/**revstuff/files/ >> > > Thanks! I was using the web page, where some of the links are 404. > > Very nice that Mark explicitly shared these with free licenses. His > contributions are very valuable additions to the community, and it's > encouraging that so many of us now have complete copies of his archive in > case his site goes offline in the future. > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/**FourthWorldSys > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From monte at sweattechnologies.com Wed Nov 21 14:40:33 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 06:40:33 +1100 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: <1EAA97BD-5BFF-472F-AD03-785CEF25CED0@canelasoftware.com> References: <6C58DCBA-899A-48B2-A127-23325D8DDD80@sweattechnologies.com> <4F95570E-EFF3-488A-8935-E9611BDF7129@mac.com> <635FABA1-68CE-45AB-8BC3-81C58304B8B1@sweattechnologies.com> <336734CC-FED4-4D9A-A2E3-46852E26F667@mac.com> <882787C4-E1E9-4FA7-A743-C63328E02E57@sweattechnologies.com> <1EAA97BD-5BFF-472F-AD03-785CEF25CED0@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: <0C3EF12C-989F-44AE-A553-99557E663CF4@sweattechnologies.com> That's great Mark! I should be able to squeeze this in sometime between now and the end of next week. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 22/11/2012, at 5:51 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: > On Nov 19, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > >> It doesn't look like this will happen in the short term folks. It's not that it's not possible. It just doesn't appear that the funding will be there. The mergExt business model rubs some people up the wrong way unfortunately. If anyone can come up with a business model that gives LC developers what they need to meet specific requirements, keeps prices low enough so that people can use it and can cope with a very low volume of sales then I'm all ears. Until then this is all I'm able to offer the LC community. For what it's worth this external only needs about $350 worth of funding to get off the ground. >> >> Cheers >> >> Monte > > > Canela Software will cover the remaining funding for this project. How should we proceed? > > > Best regards, > > Mark Talluto > http://www.canelasoftware.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 21 14:55:23 2012 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:55:23 -0800 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jan, I thought I would take you up on your challenge to be adventurous and try to alter the loc of the answer dialog box by changing the script of the box. By script, I got the script of card 1 of stack "dialog box", found the line in the PreopenStack handler where the loc is set, i.e.: set the loc of this stack to the screenloc I then added 200 to the second item of the screenloc, altered that line in the script, and reset the script of the box. As a check, I then got the script of the box and I could see that the new loc had been applied, I then called answer again but it continued to show in at the original screenLoc. The new script didn't seem to take. Is there a way to change the loc of the answer dialog box? There are times when it is just very inconvenient. I seem to recall a discussion of this topic some time ago. Jim Hurley On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:55:18 +0200 > From: Richmond > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: "Badge" in answer modal? > Message-ID: <50AD1586.7010808 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 11/21/2012 05:56 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: >> The badging is implemented specifically to help Mac developers comply with the OS X Human Interface Guidelines. >> See: >> >> There's no precedent for this badging on Windows or Linux, and while you may personally find this a desirable feature accross all platforms, the RunRev team wants to help us create a native user experience and tries to stop us from creating user interfaces which look and feel alien to native users. >> >> That said, if you feel adventurous, you can edit the script of card 1 of stack "Answer dialog" and remove the platform check for the code pertaining to gRevSmallAppIcon ;-) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jan Schenkel. > From pepetoo at cox.net Wed Nov 21 15:01:13 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:01:13 -0800 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How about appending "as sheet" after the call to the Answer Dialog, putting it up under the Title Bar? Joe Wilkins On Nov 21, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Jim Hurley wrote: > Jan, > > I thought I would take you up on your challenge to be adventurous and try to alter the loc of the answer dialog box by changing the script of the box. > > By script, I got the script of card 1 of stack "dialog box", found the line in the PreopenStack handler where the loc is set, i.e.: > > set the loc of this stack to the screenloc > > I then added 200 to the second item of the screenloc, altered that line in the script, and reset the script of the box. > > As a check, I then got the script of the box and I could see that the new loc had been applied, > > I then called answer again but it continued to show in at the original screenLoc. The new script didn't seem to take. > > Is there a way to change the loc of the answer dialog box? There are times when it is just very inconvenient. > > I seem to recall a discussion of this topic some time ago. > > Jim Hurley > > > On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:55:18 +0200 >> From: Richmond >> To: How to use LiveCode >> Subject: Re: "Badge" in answer modal? >> Message-ID: <50AD1586.7010808 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> On 11/21/2012 05:56 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: >>> The badging is implemented specifically to help Mac developers comply with the OS X Human Interface Guidelines. >>> See: >>> >>> There's no precedent for this badging on Windows or Linux, and while you may personally find this a desirable feature accross all platforms, the RunRev team wants to help us create a native user experience and tries to stop us from creating user interfaces which look and feel alien to native users. >>> >>> That said, if you feel adventurous, you can edit the script of card 1 of stack "Answer dialog" and remove the platform check for the code pertaining to gRevSmallAppIcon ;-) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Jan Schenkel. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bonnmike at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 15:33:13 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:33:13 -0700 Subject: load URL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No it is not expected behavior. If you use a script like so *on* mouseUp *load* url "http://localhost:8888/testf.txt" with message "urlLoaded" -- loads async and calls message urlLoaded when done *end* mouseUp *command* urlLoaded pUrl,pStatus -- first var is the url in question, 2nd var is the status. *put* "The status of url [[pUrl]] is [[pStatus]]" & cr -- can check the status of the url caching. put "The contents of url [[pUrl]] is" & cr after msg put url pUrl after msg *end* urlLoaded If it shows error for the status, either the name is wrong, or something else possibly occurred. If you are getting the correct contents by leaving the .txt off of the URL then my gut feeling is that it really isn't actually there on the server. Either way, seeing what status you get back from load will be a good start towards finding the problem. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Andr? Rombauts wrote: > Use instead > put URL "http://domain.tld/tesrt.txt" into field "Display", for instance > > Le 21 nov. 2012 ? 18:22, Peter Haworth a ?crit : > > > I'm using load URL to download a simple text file from my web site; the > > filename ends with ".txt". If I include the ".txt" in the URL, the load > > completes successfully but the cached URL is empty. If I omit the ".txt" > > from the URL, the cached URL shows the correct contents. > > > > IS this expected behavior? > > > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From slylabs13 at me.com Wed Nov 21 15:44:20 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:44:20 -1000 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478BDE75-BD21-4827-BA53-D528AB563DFC@me.com> Only works for Mac. The original discussion was about how to get Windows and Linux dialogs to act like the Mac ones. Sheet is Mac specific. Bob On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > How about appending "as sheet" after the call to the Answer Dialog, putting it up under the Title Bar? > > Joe Wilkins > > On Nov 21, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Jim Hurley wrote: > >> Jan, >> >> I thought I would take you up on your challenge to be adventurous and try to alter the loc of the answer dialog box by changing the script of the box. >> >> By script, I got the script of card 1 of stack "dialog box", found the line in the PreopenStack handler where the loc is set, i.e.: >> >> set the loc of this stack to the screenloc >> >> I then added 200 to the second item of the screenloc, altered that line in the script, and reset the script of the box. >> >> As a check, I then got the script of the box and I could see that the new loc had been applied, >> >> I then called answer again but it continued to show in at the original screenLoc. The new script didn't seem to take. >> >> Is there a way to change the loc of the answer dialog box? There are times when it is just very inconvenient. >> >> I seem to recall a discussion of this topic some time ago. >> >> Jim Hurley >> >> >> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:00 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: >> >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:55:18 +0200 >>> From: Richmond >>> To: How to use LiveCode >>> Subject: Re: "Badge" in answer modal? >>> Message-ID: <50AD1586.7010808 at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> On 11/21/2012 05:56 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: >>>> The badging is implemented specifically to help Mac developers comply with the OS X Human Interface Guidelines. >>>> See: >>>> >>>> There's no precedent for this badging on Windows or Linux, and while you may personally find this a desirable feature accross all platforms, the RunRev team wants to help us create a native user experience and tries to stop us from creating user interfaces which look and feel alien to native users. >>>> >>>> That said, if you feel adventurous, you can edit the script of card 1 of stack "Answer dialog" and remove the platform check for the code pertaining to gRevSmallAppIcon ;-) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Jan Schenkel. >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 15:46:47 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:46:47 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <1353513367.45444.YahooMailNeo@web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> <1353513367.45444.YahooMailNeo@web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50AD3DB7.30808@gmail.com> On 11/21/2012 05:56 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > The badging is implemented specifically to help Mac developers comply with the OS X Human Interface Guidelines. > See: > > There's no precedent for this badging on Windows or Linux, and while you may personally find this a desirable feature accross all platforms, the RunRev team wants to help us create a native user experience and tries to stop us from creating user interfaces which look and feel alien to native users. > > That said, if you feel adventurous, you can edit the script of card 1 of stack "Answer dialog" and remove the platform check for the code pertaining to gRevSmallAppIcon ;-) Just had a go and came badly unstuck. :) Of course a much easier route would be to make a palette to suit one's tastes that would function perfectly well cross-platform. But, Hey, why take the easy route when there's a difficult one? > > Cheers, > > Jan Schenkel. > > Oh, My God, it's time for my Lithium Tablets! But it's difficult to get them as the strait-jacket kinda cramps my style. LOL . . . Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 15:48:20 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:48:20 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <478BDE75-BD21-4827-BA53-D528AB563DFC@me.com> References: <478BDE75-BD21-4827-BA53-D528AB563DFC@me.com> Message-ID: <50AD3E14.6050402@gmail.com> > Only works for Mac. The original discussion was about how to get Windows and Linux dialogs to act like the Mac ones. Sheet is Mac specific. > > Bob > > > Well, this thread started with something Mac specific (badges in answer dialogs), so I really don't see why it should continue with any exceptions . . . 3 sheets to the wind. From slylabs13 at me.com Wed Nov 21 15:59:35 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:59:35 -1000 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <50AD3E14.6050402@gmail.com> References: <478BDE75-BD21-4827-BA53-D528AB563DFC@me.com> <50AD3E14.6050402@gmail.com> Message-ID: If it were fairly easy to get sheet dialogs in Windows, I would be all for it. I am looking at eventually having to go through an app and make it cross platform, meaning a lot of conditional checks for things like this. I don't think it should be a decision RnRev makes whether or not an application complies with interface guidelines, however I get that the feature of producing an app for each platform that has the look and feel of the respective OS is compelling. There should probably be a preference or property to be able to override the default HIG specifications, so that if I want to use sheet dialogs, or some other mechanism not prescribed in the HIG, I should be able to. Bob On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Richmond wrote: > >> Only works for Mac. The original discussion was about how to get Windows and Linux dialogs to act like the Mac ones. Sheet is Mac specific. >> >> Bob >> >> >> > > Well, this thread started with something Mac specific (badges in answer dialogs), so I really don't see why > it should continue with any exceptions . . . > > 3 sheets to the wind. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pepetoo at cox.net Wed Nov 21 16:19:26 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:19:26 -0800 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: References: <478BDE75-BD21-4827-BA53-D528AB563DFC@me.com> <50AD3E14.6050402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9BBF8392-0652-4AAE-BECE-B7DDEF3D8EA8@cox.net> Sorry Bob. I'm so Mac oriented that I forget some of us have to deal with Windows. I had never checked, but had "assumed" that when I call for "as sheet" that the Dialogs produced for Window's versions would, at least be located similarly, if not functionally, as a "sheet" type dialog. Guess "assume" bit me in the butt as usual. (smile) If you're rolling your own, can't you just make the Dialog Window non-modal, so it can be dragged out of the way when necessary? Joe Wilkins On Nov 21, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > If it were fairly easy to get sheet dialogs in Windows, I would be all for it. I am looking at eventually having to go through an app and make it cross platform, meaning a lot of conditional checks for things like this. I don't think it should be a decision RnRev makes whether or not an application complies with interface guidelines, however I get that the feature of producing an app for each platform that has the look and feel of the respective OS is compelling. > > There should probably be a preference or property to be able to override the default HIG specifications, so that if I want to use sheet dialogs, or some other mechanism not prescribed in the HIG, I should be able to. > > Bob > > > On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Richmond wrote: > >> >>> Only works for Mac. The original discussion was about how to get Windows and Linux dialogs to act like the Mac ones. Sheet is Mac specific. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> >> >> Well, this thread started with something Mac specific (badges in answer dialogs), so I really don't see why >> it should continue with any exceptions . . . >> >> 3 sheets to the wind. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Wed Nov 21 16:24:40 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:24:40 -1000 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <9BBF8392-0652-4AAE-BECE-B7DDEF3D8EA8@cox.net> References: <478BDE75-BD21-4827-BA53-D528AB563DFC@me.com> <50AD3E14.6050402@gmail.com> <9BBF8392-0652-4AAE-BECE-B7DDEF3D8EA8@cox.net> Message-ID: I suspect you can make a custom dialog work however you want. IMHO I don't think dialogs are something that I ought to have to custom design, but then again I am spoiled by the ease of development working with Livecode. Bob On Nov 21, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Sorry Bob. I'm so Mac oriented that I forget some of us have to deal with Windows. I had never checked, but had "assumed" that when I call for "as sheet" that the Dialogs produced for Window's versions would, at least be located similarly, if not functionally, as a "sheet" type dialog. Guess "assume" bit me in the butt as usual. (smile) > > If you're rolling your own, can't you just make the Dialog Window non-modal, so it can be dragged out of the way when necessary? > > Joe Wilkins > > On Nov 21, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > >> If it were fairly easy to get sheet dialogs in Windows, I would be all for it. I am looking at eventually having to go through an app and make it cross platform, meaning a lot of conditional checks for things like this. I don't think it should be a decision RnRev makes whether or not an application complies with interface guidelines, however I get that the feature of producing an app for each platform that has the look and feel of the respective OS is compelling. >> >> There should probably be a preference or property to be able to override the default HIG specifications, so that if I want to use sheet dialogs, or some other mechanism not prescribed in the HIG, I should be able to. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Richmond wrote: >> >>> >>>> Only works for Mac. The original discussion was about how to get Windows and Linux dialogs to act like the Mac ones. Sheet is Mac specific. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Well, this thread started with something Mac specific (badges in answer dialogs), so I really don't see why >>> it should continue with any exceptions . . . >>> >>> 3 sheets to the wind. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pepetoo at cox.net Wed Nov 21 16:34:05 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:34:05 -0800 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: References: <478BDE75-BD21-4827-BA53-D528AB563DFC@me.com> <50AD3E14.6050402@gmail.com> <9BBF8392-0652-4AAE-BECE-B7DDEF3D8EA8@cox.net> Message-ID: <993BA45E-65A2-491A-A5D8-D0447F719E9B@cox.net> I would agree, but that's why I prefer Macs for almost everything. I'm spoiled too. Good luck! Joe Wilkins On Nov 21, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > I suspect you can make a custom dialog work however you want. IMHO I don't think dialogs are something that I ought to have to custom design, but then again I am spoiled by the ease of development working with Livecode. > > Bob > > > On Nov 21, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > >> Sorry Bob. I'm so Mac oriented that I forget some of us have to deal with Windows. I had never checked, but had "assumed" that when I call for "as sheet" that the Dialogs produced for Window's versions would, at least be located similarly, if not functionally, as a "sheet" type dialog. Guess "assume" bit me in the butt as usual. (smile) >> >> If you're rolling your own, can't you just make the Dialog Window non-modal, so it can be dragged out of the way when necessary? >> >> Joe Wilkins >> >> On Nov 21, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: >> >>> If it were fairly easy to get sheet dialogs in Windows, I would be all for it. I am looking at eventually having to go through an app and make it cross platform, meaning a lot of conditional checks for things like this. I don't think it should be a decision RnRev makes whether or not an application complies with interface guidelines, however I get that the feature of producing an app for each platform that has the look and feel of the respective OS is compelling. >>> >>> There should probably be a preference or property to be able to override the default HIG specifications, so that if I want to use sheet dialogs, or some other mechanism not prescribed in the HIG, I should be able to. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Richmond wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> Only works for Mac. The original discussion was about how to get Windows and Linux dialogs to act like the Mac ones. Sheet is Mac specific. >>>>> >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Well, this thread started with something Mac specific (badges in answer dialogs), so I really don't see why >>>> it should continue with any exceptions . . . >>>> >>>> 3 sheets to the wind. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 16:34:31 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:34:31 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: References: <478BDE75-BD21-4827-BA53-D528AB563DFC@me.com> <50AD3E14.6050402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50AD48E7.3070307@gmail.com> On 11/21/2012 10:59 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > If it were fairly easy to get sheet dialogs in Windows, I would be all for it. I am looking at eventually having to go through an app and make it cross platform, meaning a lot of conditional checks for things like this. I don't think it should be a decision RnRev makes whether or not an application complies with interface guidelines, however I get that the feature of producing an app for each platform that has the look and feel of the respective OS is compelling. > > There should probably be a preference or property to be able to override the default HIG specifications, so that if I want to use sheet dialogs, or some other mechanism not prescribed in the HIG, I should be able to. > > Bob > > Well, as one can fake badged dialog windows for cross-platform parity by using palettes there should be no earthly reason why one cannot fake sheets. However, as it is my bedtime and I have a full day today teaching small Bulgarians how to say "Hello" and so forth I shall leave my attempt at that one until the weekend. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 16:36:05 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:36:05 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <9BBF8392-0652-4AAE-BECE-B7DDEF3D8EA8@cox.net> References: <478BDE75-BD21-4827-BA53-D528AB563DFC@me.com> <50AD3E14.6050402@gmail.com> <9BBF8392-0652-4AAE-BECE-B7DDEF3D8EA8@cox.net> Message-ID: <50AD4945.1060408@gmail.com> On 11/21/2012 11:19 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Sorry Bob. I'm so Mac oriented that I forget some of us have to deal with Windows. I had never checked, but had "assumed" that when I call for "as sheet" that the Dialogs produced for Window's versions would, at least be located similarly, if not functionally, as a "sheet" type dialog. Guess "assume" bit me in the butt as usual. (smile) > > If you're rolling your own, can't you just make the Dialog Window non-modal, so it can be dragged out of the way when necessary? > > Joe Wilkins > > As "dialog windows" on Windows and Linux are, of necessity, hand-rolled, one can make them as similar to the modal dialogs on Mac or as dissimilar as one wants. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 16:38:28 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:38:28 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: References: <478BDE75-BD21-4827-BA53-D528AB563DFC@me.com> <50AD3E14.6050402@gmail.com> <9BBF8392-0652-4AAE-BECE-B7DDEF3D8EA8@cox.net> Message-ID: <50AD49D4.5010206@gmail.com> > I suspect you can make a custom dialog work however you want. IMHO I don't think dialogs are something that I ought to have to custom design, No, they shouldn't; but there is no earthly reason why one cannot set up modal sub-stacks that are identical in appearance to how answer dialogs appear on Macs, with badges, for one's cross-platform 'thang'. > but then again I am spoiled by the ease of development working with Livecode. > > Bob > > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 21 17:04:25 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:04:25 -0600 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: References: <478BDE75-BD21-4827-BA53-D528AB563DFC@me.com> <50AD3E14.6050402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50AD4FE9.9060607@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/21/12 2:59 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > There should probably be a preference or property to be able to > override the default HIG specifications, so that if I want to use > sheet dialogs, or some other mechanism not prescribed in the HIG, I > should be able to. In this case the OS is drawing the sheet and LiveCode's HIG decisions aren't involved, so that's why it isn't on other platforms. I suppose it would be possible to fake it, but it would be quite a hack. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pmbrig at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 19:32:45 2012 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:32:45 -0500 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <50AD3DB7.30808@gmail.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> <1353513367.45444.YahooMailNeo@web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50AD3DB7.30808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1E346F1A-52FD-4BAB-BE76-E082EA5F3B97@gmail.com> On Nov 21, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Richmond wrote: > Oh, My God, it's time for my Lithium Tablets! But it's difficult to get them as the strait-jacket kinda cramps my style. > > LOL . . . Richmond. "Some mornings it just feels like too much effort to gnaw through the leather straps?." -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Nov 21 21:02:57 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:02:57 -0800 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <50AD4FE9.9060607@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50AD4FE9.9060607@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50AD87D1.1090109@fourthworld.com> J. Landman Gay wrote: > In this case the OS is drawing the sheet and LiveCode's HIG decisions > aren't involved, so that's why it isn't on other platforms. I suppose it > would be possible to fake it, but it would be quite a hack. I find that those who use only one platform for most of their work are the ones who feel that one platform is "right" and all the other ones are "wrong" and must conform. Using Linux has taught be to be a better app designer for all platforms, as it's heightened my awareness of how even the small Linux market has expectations for the conventions unique to that platform, just as Mac and Windows users do for theirs. And since Windows still owns the desktop with its 86% market share, there's little benefit in inhibiting your company's income by trying to tell most of the world that they're somehow wrong just because the details of their OS don't look like that of some niche OS like Mac or Linux. Whether we take the time to appreciate how each of the OS conventions may differ, it won't change the fact that they do. The great thing about LiveCode's implementation of the sheet command is that it adopts the look users expect on each platform in a way that's still behaviorally consistent for the developer: Without the "sheet" specifier, modal dialogs are application-modal, blocking access to all windows. But with the "sheet" specifier, the dialog is only window-modal, allowing interaction with other windows. This approach is a best-of-both-worlds IMO, since we can choose to when we want app-modal or window-modal dialogs, and the engine takes care of meeting user expectations for the appearance automatically. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From janschenkel at yahoo.com Thu Nov 22 00:58:30 2012 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:58:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1353563910.50013.YahooMailNeo@web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, Try and add your logic to the very end of the 'preOpenStack' handler. That handler fiddles with the width and top of the stack so many times that you might as well let it do its thing and then move it yourself at the very end. I tried putting the following line in and it seemed to work on my Mac: ## set the left of this stack to 100 ## Jan Schenkel. ? ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Hurley To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:55 PM Subject: Re: "Badge" in answer modal? Jan, I thought I would take you up on your challenge to be adventurous and try to alter the loc of the answer dialog box by changing the script of the box. By script, I got the script of card 1 of stack "dialog box", found the line in the PreopenStack handler where the loc is set, i.e.: ? ? set the loc of this stack to the screenloc I then added 200 to the second item of the screenloc, altered that line in the script, and reset the script of the box. As a check, I then got the script of the box and I could see that the new loc had been applied, I then called answer again but it continued to show in at the original screenLoc. The new script didn't seem to take. Is there a way to change the loc of the answer dialog box? There are times when it is just very inconvenient. I seem to recall a discussion of this topic some time ago. Jim Hurley From janschenkel at yahoo.com Thu Nov 22 01:10:52 2012 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:10:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <50AD3DB7.30808@gmail.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> <1353513367.45444.YahooMailNeo@web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50AD3DB7.30808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1353564652.76124.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi RIchmond, It's just three small changes away. First revive gRevSmallAppIcon support on MacOSX by?uncommenting the bit that starts with # OK-2009-10-08 : Removed for consistency with Windows / Linux Next you need to fiddle with the logic of the block --is there an icon to display or not? if word 2 of item 1 of the dialogData is "plain" and (not tMacOSX and gREVAppIcon is not empty) then =>?if word 2 of item 1 of the dialogData is "plain" and gREVAppIcon is empty?then And then seven lines below, change if tMacOSX then? => if tMacOSX or true then HTH, Jan Schenkel.? ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ----- Original Message ----- From: Richmond To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:46 PM Subject: Re: "Badge" in answer modal? On 11/21/2012 05:56 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > The badging is implemented specifically to help Mac developers comply with the OS X Human Interface Guidelines. > See: > > There's no precedent for this badging on Windows or Linux, and while you may personally find this a desirable feature accross all platforms, the RunRev team wants to help us create a native user experience and tries to stop us from creating user interfaces which look and feel alien to native users. > > That said, if you feel adventurous, you can edit the script of card 1 of stack "Answer dialog" and remove the platform check for the code pertaining to gRevSmallAppIcon ;-) Just had a go and came badly unstuck.? :) Of course a much easier route would be to make a palette to suit one's tastes that would function perfectly well cross-platform. But, Hey, why take the easy route when there's a difficult one? Oh, My God, it's time for my Lithium Tablets!? But it's difficult to get them as the strait-jacket kinda cramps my style. LOL . . . Richmond. From gerry.orkin at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 06:01:43 2012 From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 22:01:43 +1100 Subject: Running an iPhone 4 sized app on iPhone 5 Message-ID: <49986F6C-CEB4-437B-9FF9-720193D36D70@gmail.com> Hi all I've been updating an iOS app already on the app store so it'll run in iOS 6. When I run the app in the iPhone 5 simulator the stack seems to resize to fill the new screen height instead of being centred at iPhone 4 size, which I understood is the intended behaviour with retina apps that have not been re-written to fill the height of the new screen size. Why is that happening? What am I missing? Gerry From coiin at verizon.net Thu Nov 22 08:58:27 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:58:27 -0500 Subject: Running an iPhone 4 sized app on iPhone 5 In-Reply-To: <49986F6C-CEB4-437B-9FF9-720193D36D70@gmail.com> References: <49986F6C-CEB4-437B-9FF9-720193D36D70@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1D377E24-7714-4913-907F-7DC4FE86B7A4@verizon.net> It may be that you're not missing anything, but that you have included a Default-568h at 2x.png splash image. That's what dictates whether the app fills the height of the screen. Just don't include that file, and it should work as you expected. Can you not recode your stack to cope with the extra height, so that iPhone 5 users don't see the letter boxing? From dochawk at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 12:18:37 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:18:37 -0800 Subject: A stack to configure PostgreSQL on mountain lion? Message-ID: Or is it lion PostgreSQL appeared in? I seem to see references to that. after some musing, I've realized that my life in support will be much easier in the long run if I use the native Mac PostgreSQL server when available, letting all computers in an office access the same db. Configuring the db looks like a bit much for the end-user, who will runny reaming . . . My thinking at the moment is to do it by passing a bunch of of she'll invocations, but I'm finding limited explanations out there on this. It seems I should create a dhbk user & passwordon Postgres first. I'm assuming that this will take an admin password. Is this something I can do from a stack? then Postgres users & passwords for each user that needs to connect? -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 13:24:50 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 20:24:50 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <1353564652.76124.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> <1353513367.45444.YahooMailNeo@web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50AD3DB7.30808@gmail.com> <1353564652.76124.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50AE6DF2.5060502@gmail.com> On 11/22/2012 08:10 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > Hi RIchmond, > > It's just three small changes away. > First revive gRevSmallAppIcon support on MacOSX by uncommenting the bit that starts with > # OK-2009-10-08 : Removed for consistency with Windows / Linux > > Next you need to fiddle with the logic of the block > --is there an icon to display or not? > if word 2 of item 1 of the dialogData is "plain" and (not tMacOSX and gREVAppIcon is not empty) then > > => if word 2 of item 1 of the dialogData is "plain" and gREVAppIcon is empty then > > And then seven lines below, change > if tMacOSX then > => if tMacOSX or true then > > > HTH, > > Jan Schenkel. > Thanks a lot. Richmond. From dochawk at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 13:56:01 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:56:01 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? Message-ID: explicitVar is complaining of "it" not being declared. Does this make sense? it isn't quite a normal variable. I assume declaring it local makes the most sense? -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 22 14:26:08 2012 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:26:08 -0800 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67297AF5-53CF-4BFF-8136-1B5B7E08E7F1@sbcglobal.net> Hi Jan. Thanks. Perfect. I can't imagine what all goes on between "on preOpenStack" and "end PreOpenStack" But your suggestion to insert the reset at the end of that handler work just fine. Here is a button script to test the strategy: CAUTION; This meddles with answer dialog script. But restores it at the end. on mouseUp --Change the location of the answer dialog box answer "This is the default position of the answer box." put the script of card 1 of stack "answer dialog" into tScript put lineoffset("end preOpenStack", tScript) into tLineNo --Define the new script line. put "Set the loc of this stack to "& "200,400" into tNewScriptLine --Alter the script put tNewScriptLine & cr & "end preOpenStack" into line tLineNo of tScript set the script of card 1 of stack "answer dialog" to tScript --Test of new loc. answer "Have I moved?" --Now restore the deafulat script if you like put "end preOpenStack" into line tLineNo of tScript set the script of card 1 of stack "answer dialog" to tScript -- Or you might just change the new script line to "set the loc of this stack to the screenLoc" end mouseUp Jim Hurley On Nov 22, 2012, at 10:00 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:58:30 -0800 (PST) > From: Jan Schenkel > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: "Badge" in answer modal? > Message-ID: > <1353563910.50013.YahooMailNeo at web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Jim, > > Try and add your logic to the very end of the 'preOpenStack' handler. > That handler fiddles with the width and top of the stack so many times that you might as well let it do its thing and then move it yourself at the very end. > I tried putting the following line in and it seemed to work on my Mac: > ## > set the left of this stack to 100 > ## > > Jan Schenkel. From pepetoo at cox.net Thu Nov 22 15:25:15 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:25:15 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19F1F1CE-3B85-488F-8426-81190D61B267@cox.net> Richard, There is definitely something rotten in Denmark pertaining to explicitVars. I just recently returned to a project that I had not opened for months and found LC was asking me to declare virtually everything. Major headache. It did unearth some other problems, that had not been a problem in the past. Some scripts just would not compile until I fixed them. I did have some typos; so it was good, but now I have to declare every var I use and have found no way to turn this off. Even in my scripts. Yes it has asked me to declare "it" and every letter in the alphabet that I use in a commandKeyDown handler; or put them in quotes so they are seen as literals. Not sure how my "fixes" will eventually affect the running of scripts that had been working just fine in the past now that I've declared a bunch of the vars as local. Hmn. I'm still using LC 4.5.2 on a Mac with OSX 6.8 in the event that has anything to do with anything. Joe Wilkins On Nov 22, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > explicitVar is complaining of "it" not being declared. > > Does this make sense? it isn't quite a normal variable. > > I assume declaring it local makes the most sense? > > -- > Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Thu Nov 22 15:30:30 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:30:30 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you have anything earlier in your script that creates "it", like an ask or answer statement? What I see happening is that if there is soemthing like that, "it" is not flagged, but if there is nothing that puts something into it, an error is flagged. Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > explicitVar is complaining of "it" not being declared. > > Does this make sense? it isn't quite a normal variable. > > I assume declaring it local makes the most sense? > > -- > Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pepetoo at cox.net Thu Nov 22 15:39:10 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:39:10 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <260A24AF-8083-4EB2-9757-42F1F519DD5B@cox.net> True. I had noted that as well. That was one of the problems I had with a script after I had earlier messed it up with some botched commenting out. However, I still haven't figured out how to set explicitVars to false. Joe Wilkins On Nov 22, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Do you have anything earlier in your script that creates "it", like an ask > or answer statement? What I see happening is that if there is soemthing > like that, "it" is not flagged, but if there is nothing that puts something > into it, an error is flagged. > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > >> explicitVar is complaining of "it" not being declared. >> >> Does this make sense? it isn't quite a normal variable. >> >> I assume declaring it local makes the most sense? >> >> -- >> Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. >> (702) 508-8462 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dochawk at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 15:57:49 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:57:49 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Do you have anything earlier in your script that creates "it", like an ask > or answer statement? What I see happening is that if there is soemthing > like that, "it" is not flagged, but if there is nothing that puts something > into it, an error is flagged. Wow. You got it. It's in a development if/then, so that if isDevo is set, a filename is loaded into it, whereas normally, it would get loaded in "else" from a dialgo . . . -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From dochawk at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 16:00:25 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:00:25 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > It's in a development if/then, so that if isDevo is set, a filename is > loaded into it, whereas normally, it would get loaded in "else" from a > dialgo . . . But now, "replace all" has disappeared from the extended search palette . . . -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From jhj at jhj.com Thu Nov 22 16:00:24 2012 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:00:24 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <260A24AF-8083-4EB2-9757-42F1F519DD5B@cox.net> References: <260A24AF-8083-4EB2-9757-42F1F519DD5B@cox.net> Message-ID: <918FCB27-18F1-470B-8257-A0A9004B956F@jhj.com> On Nov 22, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > True. I had noted that as well. That was one of the problems I had with a script after I had earlier messed it up with some botched commenting out. However, I still haven't figured out how to set explicitVars to false. In LiveCode Preferences, choose "Script Editor" from the list on the left. Then un-check "Strict Compilation Mode". I like it strict, except when dealing with somebody else's code that doesn't. It is a strange beast. In strict mode, This gives an error: on foo put it end foo This also errs: on foo put 2 into it put it end foo BUT, this is OK: on foo get 2 put it end foo I never use it except when something else requires me to, like the return from "ask", etc. .Jerry From dochawk at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 16:05:12 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:05:12 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <918FCB27-18F1-470B-8257-A0A9004B956F@jhj.com> References: <260A24AF-8083-4EB2-9757-42F1F519DD5B@cox.net> <918FCB27-18F1-470B-8257-A0A9004B956F@jhj.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote: > > BUT, this is OK: > on foo > get 2 > put it > end foo > > I never use it except when something else requires me to, like the return from "ask", etc. it's looking for code using "it" being used . . . i'm pretty sure it would be easier to accept "it" than to look. I'm switching a few if condition then put devoValue into it else answer folder "somequestion" end if by flopping them, and they work fine -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From pepetoo at cox.net Thu Nov 22 16:21:00 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:21:00 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <918FCB27-18F1-470B-8257-A0A9004B956F@jhj.com> References: <260A24AF-8083-4EB2-9757-42F1F519DD5B@cox.net> <918FCB27-18F1-470B-8257-A0A9004B956F@jhj.com> Message-ID: <31219DA9-D4C5-487E-9951-A93E48C4543C@cox.net> Thanks Jerry. With my poor vision I can see how I've missed "Strict Compilation Mode"; why couldn't they have used "explicitVars"? (sigh!) Being under the impression that the default setting was false, I had reset all of the preferences to default values, figuring that would work. I don't recall that it did or didn't, but maybe I didn't save after doing so. (smile) Joe Wilkins On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote: > On Nov 22, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > >> True. I had noted that as well. That was one of the problems I had with a script after I had earlier messed it up with some botched commenting out. However, I still haven't figured out how to set explicitVars to false. > > In LiveCode Preferences, choose "Script Editor" from the list on the left. Then un-check "Strict Compilation Mode". > > I like it strict, except when dealing with somebody else's code that doesn't. > > It is a strange beast. In strict mode, > > This gives an error: > on foo > put it > end foo > > This also errs: > on foo > put 2 into it > put it > end foo > > BUT, this is OK: > on foo > get 2 > put it > end foo > > I never use it except when something else requires me to, like the return from "ask", etc. > > .Jerry > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Nov 22 16:27:27 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:27:27 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <918FCB27-18F1-470B-8257-A0A9004B956F@jhj.com> References: <260A24AF-8083-4EB2-9757-42F1F519DD5B@cox.net> <918FCB27-18F1-470B-8257-A0A9004B956F@jhj.com> Message-ID: <43666675000.20121122132727@ahsoftware.net> Jerry- Thursday, November 22, 2012, 1:00:24 PM, you wrote: > I never use it except when something else requires me to, like the return from "ask", etc. Same here. And I don't think I've ever tried to put a value into "it". -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From revolution at derbrill.de Thu Nov 22 16:42:52 2012 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 22:42:52 +0100 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <832C2567-ED03-4C36-9256-3C24E21D99BE@derbrill.de> Even though explicit vars (or strict compile mode in the prefs) is considdered to be a major headache by some, I have never looked back since I started to make this a prerequisite in all the code my company writes for others. When we have people writing code for us, we also require it to compile in strict mode, otherwise the code is not accepted. It adds little extra work, but helps tremendously when debugging or refactoring. I can only encourage people to use strict compile mode. You will quickly find all typos and it actually makes for cleaner code. I would even want the engine to be (optionally) a little stricter and introduce typed variables (and global constants *sigh), well I might be one of only a few there, but wishful thinking never hurts. :-) Cheers, Malte From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Nov 22 16:46:34 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 22:46:34 +0100 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <832C2567-ED03-4C36-9256-3C24E21D99BE@derbrill.de> References: <832C2567-ED03-4C36-9256-3C24E21D99BE@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <576D3E0E-E163-48C0-B983-B12F4497361F@economy-x-talk.com> Malte, +1 for global constants. Joe, I don't understand people who don't put quotes around literals. In my view, this is bad programming. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 22 nov 2012, at 22:42, Malte Brill wrote: > Even though explicit vars (or strict compile mode in the prefs) is considdered to be a major headache by some, I have never looked back since I started to make this a prerequisite in all the code my company writes for others. When we have people writing code for us, we also require it to compile in strict mode, otherwise the code is not accepted. It adds little extra work, but helps tremendously when debugging or refactoring. I can only encourage people to use strict compile mode. You will quickly find all typos and it actually makes for cleaner code. I would even want the engine to be (optionally) a little stricter and introduce typed variables (and global constants *sigh), well I might be one of only a few there, but wishful thinking never hurts. :-) > > Cheers, > > Malte From dochawk at gmail.com Thu Nov 22 16:59:43 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:59:43 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <832C2567-ED03-4C36-9256-3C24E21D99BE@derbrill.de> References: <832C2567-ED03-4C36-9256-3C24E21D99BE@derbrill.de> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Malte Brill wrote: > I would even want the engine to be (optionally) a little stricter and introduce typed variables >(and global constants *sigh), well I might be one of only a few there, but wishful thinking >never hurts. :-) You're not the only one, no. I'd like modern Fortran with C style scoping . . . -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From pete at lcsql.com Thu Nov 22 17:21:17 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:21:17 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <832C2567-ED03-4C36-9256-3C24E21D99BE@derbrill.de> References: <832C2567-ED03-4C36-9256-3C24E21D99BE@derbrill.de> Message-ID: My lousy typing skills have led to several hours of debugging. Once I discovered explicitVars, most of the typos are dealt with. And, while recompiling scripts with explicitVars on, I found several other typos that were sitting there waiting to cause grief at some time in the future. The other main source of typo problems is custom properties and now with Alex Tweedly's explicitProperties plugin, I can find those too. Life is good. Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Malte Brill wrote: > Even though explicit vars (or strict compile mode in the prefs) is > considdered to be a major headache by some, I have never looked back since > I started to make this a prerequisite in all the code my company writes for > others. When we have people writing code for us, we also require it to > compile in strict mode, otherwise the code is not accepted. It adds little > extra work, but helps tremendously when debugging or refactoring. I can > only encourage people to use strict compile mode. You will quickly find all > typos and it actually makes for cleaner code. I would even want the engine > to be (optionally) a little stricter and introduce typed variables (and > global constants *sigh), well I might be one of only a few there, but > wishful thinking never hurts. :-) > > Cheers, > > Malte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pepetoo at cox.net Thu Nov 22 18:05:50 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:05:50 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <576D3E0E-E163-48C0-B983-B12F4497361F@economy-x-talk.com> References: <832C2567-ED03-4C36-9256-3C24E21D99BE@derbrill.de> <576D3E0E-E163-48C0-B983-B12F4497361F@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark, Just one of the evil carry-overs from H.C.; actually, from this whole experience, I've come to the same conclusion; particularly for someone like me with poor vision and a tremendous likelihood of typos. Thanks, Joe Wilkins On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Malte, +1 for global constants. > > Joe, I don't understand people who don't put quotes around literals. In my view, this is bad programming. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > > We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. > > > > > On 22 nov 2012, at 22:42, Malte Brill wrote: > >> Even though explicit vars (or strict compile mode in the prefs) is considdered to be a major headache by some, I have never looked back since I started to make this a prerequisite in all the code my company writes for others. When we have people writing code for us, we also require it to compile in strict mode, otherwise the code is not accepted. It adds little extra work, but helps tremendously when debugging or refactoring. I can only encourage people to use strict compile mode. You will quickly find all typos and it actually makes for cleaner code. I would even want the engine to be (optionally) a little stricter and introduce typed variables (and global constants *sigh), well I might be one of only a few there, but wishful thinking never hurts. :-) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Malte > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 23 00:47:29 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 23:47:29 -0600 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50AF0DF1.4080304@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/22/12 3:00 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > >> It's in a development if/then, so that if isDevo is set, a filename is >> loaded into it, whereas normally, it would get loaded in "else" from a >> dialgo . . . > > But now, "replace all" has disappeared from the extended search palette . . . > > It's still there for me. You do have to have one of the tab options selected for searching. It dims if you try to search the card, stack, all stacks, etc. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Nov 23 10:14:09 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 07:14:09 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <31219DA9-D4C5-487E-9951-A93E48C4543C@cox.net> References: <31219DA9-D4C5-487E-9951-A93E48C4543C@cox.net> Message-ID: <50AF92C1.7060601@fourthworld.com> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > With my poor vision I can see how I've missed "Strict Compilation > Mode"; why couldn't they have used "explicitVars"? (sigh!) There's a Preference setting under "General" with the option to have the IDE display either "Description of option" or "Name of LiveCode property". By default the IDE is set to use the former, though I find it much more helpful - especially for learners - to use the actual property nanes since it lets use of the IDE also reinforce one's learning of what the engine is doing in the IDE. And, after all, the English-like readability of property names in LiveCode makes most of them self-evident anyway. The "Strict Compilation Mode" option in Preferences->Script Editor may appear to be an exception to this, since its label doesn't change when you change the IDE labeling preference. But on closer examination, what the IDE does with "Strict Compilation Mode" isn't quite the same thing as setting the explicitVars global property; IMO it's much more useful: With explicitVars set to true, all scripts in memory during the session must have been written with that relatively-recent addition to the language in mind; any exceptions will throw an error, and all such scripts will need to be updated to conform to the requirements of explicitVars before they can be used at all, even those you didn't write like plugins, third-party libraries, or IDE elements. With "Strict Compilation Mode", the explicitVars property is set only temporarily during the brief moment a script is saved to its object, effectively limiting its scope to only those scripts you're editing yourself. Personally I find this a much more useful option, since it allows me to use it only when I want it, but doesn't stop all work on a project until I bring every script into compliance with explicitVars. I think there are good reasons to use explicitVars and not to use it, depending on the nature of the work I'm doing at a given moment. The IDE's implementation, limited in scope as it is, gives us the best of both worlds. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From pepetoo at cox.net Fri Nov 23 10:39:39 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 07:39:39 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <50AF92C1.7060601@fourthworld.com> References: <31219DA9-D4C5-487E-9951-A93E48C4543C@cox.net> <50AF92C1.7060601@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <664ED8AE-97BC-4DCE-8AE0-35FF1B611074@cox.net> Richard: Thanks for the great explanation. I'm sold, though the discovery of this feature's existence WAS a bit traumatic! I wasn't following this list for a few months. In addition to my very poor vision, I recently broke a couple of fingers on my right hand, so the number of my typos has increased substantially, making this a very welcome addition. Jod Wilkins On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > > > With my poor vision I can see how I've missed "Strict Compilation > > Mode"; why couldn't they have used "explicitVars"? (sigh!) > > There's a Preference setting under "General" with the option to have the IDE display either "Description of option" or "Name of LiveCode property". > > By default the IDE is set to use the former, though I find it much more helpful - especially for learners - to use the actual property nanes since it lets use of the IDE also reinforce one's learning of what the engine is doing in the IDE. And, after all, the English-like readability of property names in LiveCode makes most of them self-evident anyway. > > The "Strict Compilation Mode" option in Preferences->Script Editor may appear to be an exception to this, since its label doesn't change when you change the IDE labeling preference. > > But on closer examination, what the IDE does with "Strict Compilation Mode" isn't quite the same thing as setting the explicitVars global property; IMO it's much more useful: > > With explicitVars set to true, all scripts in memory during the session must have been written with that relatively-recent addition to the language in mind; any exceptions will throw an error, and all such scripts will need to be updated to conform to the requirements of explicitVars before they can be used at all, even those you didn't write like plugins, third-party libraries, or IDE elements. > > With "Strict Compilation Mode", the explicitVars property is set only temporarily during the brief moment a script is saved to its object, effectively limiting its scope to only those scripts you're editing yourself. > > Personally I find this a much more useful option, since it allows me to use it only when I want it, but doesn't stop all work on a project until I bring every script into compliance with explicitVars. > > I think there are good reasons to use explicitVars and not to use it, depending on the nature of the work I'm doing at a given moment. The IDE's implementation, limited in scope as it is, gives us the best of both worlds. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 23 12:34:48 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 19:34:48 +0200 Subject: [OT] WWII code 'may never be cracked' Message-ID: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20458792 AOAKN HVPKD FNFJW YIDDC RQXSR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH NLXKG MEMKK ONOIB AKEEQ WAOTA RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH LKXGH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ KLDTS FQIRW AOAKN 27 1525/6 Well, there is something odd about this code: 1. AOAKN at the start and the end could, possibly, be the key to the code. 2. I have an odd feeling that each 5 letter grouping may represent a letter. Food for thought, anyway, Richmond. From benr_mc at cogapp.com Fri Nov 23 13:28:18 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 18:28:18 +0000 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: <832C2567-ED03-4C36-9256-3C24E21D99BE@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <50AFC042.5010607@cogapp.com> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Malte Brill wrote: > Even though explicit vars (or strict compile mode in the prefs) is > considdered to be a major headache by some, I have never looked back since > I started to make this a prerequisite in all the code my company writes for > others. +1! > It adds little extra work, but helps tremendously when debugging or > refactoring. +1! On 22/11/2012 22:21, Peter Haworth wrote: > My lousy typing skills have led to several hours of debugging. Once I > discovered explicitVars, most of the typos are dealt with. +1! > And, while recompiling scripts with explicitVars on, I found several other > typos that were sitting there waiting to cause grief at some time in the > future. +1! On 23/11/2012 15:14, Richard Gaskin wrote: > With explicitVars set to true, all scripts in memory during the session > must have been written with that relatively-recent addition to the language > in mind Well, "relatively-recent" is... relative, I suppose. I'm not sure when explicitVars was added to to Metatalk - Google shows several mentions of it by Scott Raney in 1997, including a note that it's "SuperCard compatible" - and certainly it was in SuperTalk no later than 1994, but I've no idea whether it was new or whether is was in v1.0 in 1989. So it's true that it might be less than 20 years old! Ben From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Nov 23 14:22:07 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:22:07 -1000 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <664ED8AE-97BC-4DCE-8AE0-35FF1B611074@cox.net> References: <31219DA9-D4C5-487E-9951-A93E48C4543C@cox.net> <50AF92C1.7060601@fourthworld.com> <664ED8AE-97BC-4DCE-8AE0-35FF1B611074@cox.net> Message-ID: <2A780630-BD91-4D08-9BD1-E4DA5F4EB11A@me.com> Joe, give GLX2 a try. It uses a feature called Clairvoyance which after 3 or 4 letters gives you a list of variables and command/functions you have accessed or created in your scripts prior. This can be a big help, because if after typing a variable that should already exist, you do NOT get a clairvoyance suggestion, you probably have a typo. Bob On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:39 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Richard: > > Thanks for the great explanation. I'm sold, though the discovery of this feature's existence WAS a bit traumatic! I wasn't following this list for a few months. In addition to my very poor vision, I recently broke a couple of fingers on my right hand, so the number of my typos has increased substantially, making this a very welcome addition. > > Jod Wilkins > > On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: >> >>> With my poor vision I can see how I've missed "Strict Compilation >>> Mode"; why couldn't they have used "explicitVars"? (sigh!) >> >> There's a Preference setting under "General" with the option to have the IDE display either "Description of option" or "Name of LiveCode property". >> >> By default the IDE is set to use the former, though I find it much more helpful - especially for learners - to use the actual property nanes since it lets use of the IDE also reinforce one's learning of what the engine is doing in the IDE. And, after all, the English-like readability of property names in LiveCode makes most of them self-evident anyway. >> >> The "Strict Compilation Mode" option in Preferences->Script Editor may appear to be an exception to this, since its label doesn't change when you change the IDE labeling preference. >> >> But on closer examination, what the IDE does with "Strict Compilation Mode" isn't quite the same thing as setting the explicitVars global property; IMO it's much more useful: >> >> With explicitVars set to true, all scripts in memory during the session must have been written with that relatively-recent addition to the language in mind; any exceptions will throw an error, and all such scripts will need to be updated to conform to the requirements of explicitVars before they can be used at all, even those you didn't write like plugins, third-party libraries, or IDE elements. >> >> With "Strict Compilation Mode", the explicitVars property is set only temporarily during the brief moment a script is saved to its object, effectively limiting its scope to only those scripts you're editing yourself. >> >> Personally I find this a much more useful option, since it allows me to use it only when I want it, but doesn't stop all work on a project until I bring every script into compliance with explicitVars. >> >> I think there are good reasons to use explicitVars and not to use it, depending on the nature of the work I'm doing at a given moment. The IDE's implementation, limited in scope as it is, gives us the best of both worlds. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World >> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com >> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 23 14:38:30 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:38:30 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <1353564652.76124.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> <1353513367.45444.YahooMailNeo@web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50AD3DB7.30808@gmail.com> <1353564652.76124.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50AFD0B6.4050907@gmail.com> Go on, you know it's the right thing to do: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/GIFTS/Badge.zip Love, Richmond. From pepetoo at cox.net Fri Nov 23 14:46:02 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:46:02 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <2A780630-BD91-4D08-9BD1-E4DA5F4EB11A@me.com> References: <31219DA9-D4C5-487E-9951-A93E48C4543C@cox.net> <50AF92C1.7060601@fourthworld.com> <664ED8AE-97BC-4DCE-8AE0-35FF1B611074@cox.net> <2A780630-BD91-4D08-9BD1-E4DA5F4EB11A@me.com> Message-ID: <26D99D3D-CEBB-41EA-8E5F-4FA6E5C1DC5C@cox.net> Bob, thanks for the suggestion, but I try to avoid things I haven't written myself as add-ons. I've read some pretty good things about GLX2, but I'm also watching my pennies. (smile) Joe Wilkins On Nov 23, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > Joe, give GLX2 a try. It uses a feature called Clairvoyance which after 3 or 4 letters gives you a list of variables and command/functions you have accessed or created in your scripts prior. This can be a big help, because if after typing a variable that should already exist, you do NOT get a clairvoyance suggestion, you probably have a typo. > > Bob > > > On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:39 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > >> Richard: >> >> Thanks for the great explanation. I'm sold, though the discovery of this feature's existence WAS a bit traumatic! I wasn't following this list for a few months. In addition to my very poor vision, I recently broke a couple of fingers on my right hand, so the number of my typos has increased substantially, making this a very welcome addition. >> >> Jod Wilkins >> >> On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >>> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: >>> >>>> With my poor vision I can see how I've missed "Strict Compilation >>>> Mode"; why couldn't they have used "explicitVars"? (sigh!) >>> >>> There's a Preference setting under "General" with the option to have the IDE display either "Description of option" or "Name of LiveCode property". >>> >>> By default the IDE is set to use the former, though I find it much more helpful - especially for learners - to use the actual property nanes since it lets use of the IDE also reinforce one's learning of what the engine is doing in the IDE. And, after all, the English-like readability of property names in LiveCode makes most of them self-evident anyway. >>> >>> The "Strict Compilation Mode" option in Preferences->Script Editor may appear to be an exception to this, since its label doesn't change when you change the IDE labeling preference. >>> >>> But on closer examination, what the IDE does with "Strict Compilation Mode" isn't quite the same thing as setting the explicitVars global property; IMO it's much more useful: >>> >>> With explicitVars set to true, all scripts in memory during the session must have been written with that relatively-recent addition to the language in mind; any exceptions will throw an error, and all such scripts will need to be updated to conform to the requirements of explicitVars before they can be used at all, even those you didn't write like plugins, third-party libraries, or IDE elements. >>> >>> With "Strict Compilation Mode", the explicitVars property is set only temporarily during the brief moment a script is saved to its object, effectively limiting its scope to only those scripts you're editing yourself. >>> >>> Personally I find this a much more useful option, since it allows me to use it only when I want it, but doesn't stop all work on a project until I bring every script into compliance with explicitVars. >>> >>> I think there are good reasons to use explicitVars and not to use it, depending on the nature of the work I'm doing at a given moment. The IDE's implementation, limited in scope as it is, gives us the best of both worlds. >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Gaskin >>> Fourth World >>> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >>> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com >>> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Nov 23 15:05:25 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:05:25 -1000 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: <50AFD0B6.4050907@gmail.com> References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> <1353513367.45444.YahooMailNeo@web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50AD3DB7.30808@gmail.com> <1353564652.76124.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50AFD0B6.4050907@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good on ya mate! Whoa! For a second there I reverted to my Australian alternate personality. That hasn't come out in years! Bob On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Richmond wrote: > Go on, you know it's the right thing to do: > > http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/GIFTS/Badge.zip > > Love, Richmond. From slylabs13 at me.com Fri Nov 23 15:06:13 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 10:06:13 -1000 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <26D99D3D-CEBB-41EA-8E5F-4FA6E5C1DC5C@cox.net> References: <31219DA9-D4C5-487E-9951-A93E48C4543C@cox.net> <50AF92C1.7060601@fourthworld.com> <664ED8AE-97BC-4DCE-8AE0-35FF1B611074@cox.net> <2A780630-BD91-4D08-9BD1-E4DA5F4EB11A@me.com> <26D99D3D-CEBB-41EA-8E5F-4FA6E5C1DC5C@cox.net> Message-ID: <7D04AF93-41DD-4099-8F84-526F26C69F83@me.com> It's free and open source now, Joe. You can always disable it by removing it if it causes problems. Bob On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Bob, thanks for the suggestion, but I try to avoid things I haven't written myself as add-ons. I've read some pretty good things about GLX2, but I'm also watching my pennies. (smile) > > Joe Wilkins > > On Nov 23, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > >> Joe, give GLX2 a try. It uses a feature called Clairvoyance which after 3 or 4 letters gives you a list of variables and command/functions you have accessed or created in your scripts prior. This can be a big help, because if after typing a variable that should already exist, you do NOT get a clairvoyance suggestion, you probably have a typo. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:39 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: >> >>> Richard: >>> >>> Thanks for the great explanation. I'm sold, though the discovery of this feature's existence WAS a bit traumatic! I wasn't following this list for a few months. In addition to my very poor vision, I recently broke a couple of fingers on my right hand, so the number of my typos has increased substantially, making this a very welcome addition. >>> >>> Jod Wilkins >>> >>> On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >>> >>>> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: >>>> >>>>> With my poor vision I can see how I've missed "Strict Compilation >>>>> Mode"; why couldn't they have used "explicitVars"? (sigh!) >>>> >>>> There's a Preference setting under "General" with the option to have the IDE display either "Description of option" or "Name of LiveCode property". >>>> >>>> By default the IDE is set to use the former, though I find it much more helpful - especially for learners - to use the actual property nanes since it lets use of the IDE also reinforce one's learning of what the engine is doing in the IDE. And, after all, the English-like readability of property names in LiveCode makes most of them self-evident anyway. >>>> >>>> The "Strict Compilation Mode" option in Preferences->Script Editor may appear to be an exception to this, since its label doesn't change when you change the IDE labeling preference. >>>> >>>> But on closer examination, what the IDE does with "Strict Compilation Mode" isn't quite the same thing as setting the explicitVars global property; IMO it's much more useful: >>>> >>>> With explicitVars set to true, all scripts in memory during the session must have been written with that relatively-recent addition to the language in mind; any exceptions will throw an error, and all such scripts will need to be updated to conform to the requirements of explicitVars before they can be used at all, even those you didn't write like plugins, third-party libraries, or IDE elements. >>>> >>>> With "Strict Compilation Mode", the explicitVars property is set only temporarily during the brief moment a script is saved to its object, effectively limiting its scope to only those scripts you're editing yourself. >>>> >>>> Personally I find this a much more useful option, since it allows me to use it only when I want it, but doesn't stop all work on a project until I bring every script into compliance with explicitVars. >>>> >>>> I think there are good reasons to use explicitVars and not to use it, depending on the nature of the work I'm doing at a given moment. The IDE's implementation, limited in scope as it is, gives us the best of both worlds. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Richard Gaskin >>>> Fourth World >>>> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >>>> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com >>>> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Nov 23 15:07:01 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:07:01 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <50AFC042.5010607@cogapp.com> References: <50AFC042.5010607@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <50AFD765.2040901@fourthworld.com> Ben Rubinstein wrote: > On 23/11/2012 15:14, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> With explicitVars set to true, all scripts in memory during the session >> must have been written with that relatively-recent addition to the language >> in mind > > Well, "relatively-recent" is... relative, I suppose. I'm not sure when > explicitVars was added to to Metatalk - Google shows several mentions of it by > Scott Raney in 1997, including a note that it's "SuperCard compatible" - and > certainly it was in SuperTalk no later than 1994, but I've no idea whether it > was new or whether is was in v1.0 in 1989. So it's true that it might be less > than 20 years old! Some of us have been doing this a while. Time flies. :) I tend to think of it as a recent addition because it wasn't until RunRev altered its use in their IDE that it became useful. The impact of the explicitVars global property is so great that almost no one in the SC world used it much, and HyperCard, Toolbook, OMO, Plus, Gain Momentum, or any of the other xTalks ever bothered with it at all. With RunRev's more limited use introduced just a few years ago, the scope of impact is now small enough that it can be a sensible addition to a programmer's workflow without breaking from the traditional nature and history of xTalk for every script one might want to use. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From pepetoo at cox.net Fri Nov 23 15:18:21 2012 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:18:21 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <7D04AF93-41DD-4099-8F84-526F26C69F83@me.com> References: <31219DA9-D4C5-487E-9951-A93E48C4543C@cox.net> <50AF92C1.7060601@fourthworld.com> <664ED8AE-97BC-4DCE-8AE0-35FF1B611074@cox.net> <2A780630-BD91-4D08-9BD1-E4DA5F4EB11A@me.com> <26D99D3D-CEBB-41EA-8E5F-4FA6E5C1DC5C@cox.net> <7D04AF93-41DD-4099-8F84-526F26C69F83@me.com> Message-ID: Bob, once again: thanks. I'll take a look at it. Right now I'm buried in re-learning Java for a major project I'm undertaking that is beyond what I believe I'd ever be able to accomplish with LC in any of its various incarnations. I started with Java back in the early 90s, but could see that it wasn't "there" yet, so I got side-tracked - one more time!!! Joe Wilkins On Nov 23, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > It's free and open source now, Joe. You can always disable it by removing it if it causes problems. > > Bob > > > On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > >> Bob, thanks for the suggestion, but I try to avoid things I haven't written myself as add-ons. I've read some pretty good things about GLX2, but I'm also watching my pennies. (smile) >> >> Joe Wilkins >> >> On Nov 23, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sneidar wrote: >> >>> Joe, give GLX2 a try. It uses a feature called Clairvoyance which after 3 or 4 letters gives you a list of variables and command/functions you have accessed or created in your scripts prior. This can be a big help, because if after typing a variable that should already exist, you do NOT get a clairvoyance suggestion, you probably have a typo. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:39 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: >>> >>>> Richard: >>>> >>>> Thanks for the great explanation. I'm sold, though the discovery of this feature's existence WAS a bit traumatic! I wasn't following this list for a few months. In addition to my very poor vision, I recently broke a couple of fingers on my right hand, so the number of my typos has increased substantially, making this a very welcome addition. >>>> >>>> Jod Wilkins >>>> >>>> On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> With my poor vision I can see how I've missed "Strict Compilation >>>>>> Mode"; why couldn't they have used "explicitVars"? (sigh!) >>>>> >>>>> There's a Preference setting under "General" with the option to have the IDE display either "Description of option" or "Name of LiveCode property". >>>>> >>>>> By default the IDE is set to use the former, though I find it much more helpful - especially for learners - to use the actual property nanes since it lets use of the IDE also reinforce one's learning of what the engine is doing in the IDE. And, after all, the English-like readability of property names in LiveCode makes most of them self-evident anyway. >>>>> >>>>> The "Strict Compilation Mode" option in Preferences->Script Editor may appear to be an exception to this, since its label doesn't change when you change the IDE labeling preference. >>>>> >>>>> But on closer examination, what the IDE does with "Strict Compilation Mode" isn't quite the same thing as setting the explicitVars global property; IMO it's much more useful: >>>>> >>>>> With explicitVars set to true, all scripts in memory during the session must have been written with that relatively-recent addition to the language in mind; any exceptions will throw an error, and all such scripts will need to be updated to conform to the requirements of explicitVars before they can be used at all, even those you didn't write like plugins, third-party libraries, or IDE elements. >>>>> >>>>> With "Strict Compilation Mode", the explicitVars property is set only temporarily during the brief moment a script is saved to its object, effectively limiting its scope to only those scripts you're editing yourself. >>>>> >>>>> Personally I find this a much more useful option, since it allows me to use it only when I want it, but doesn't stop all work on a project until I bring every script into compliance with explicitVars. >>>>> >>>>> I think there are good reasons to use explicitVars and not to use it, depending on the nature of the work I'm doing at a given moment. The IDE's implementation, limited in scope as it is, gives us the best of both worlds. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Richard Gaskin >>>>> Fourth World >>>>> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >>>>> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com >>>>> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 23 15:26:00 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:26:00 +0200 Subject: "Badge" in answer modal? In-Reply-To: References: <50A90EB1.5080906@gmail.com> <69BAB361-6814-48AC-A744-1C7F231801F4@economy-x-talk.com> <50ACC598.7040501@gmail.com> <1353513367.45444.YahooMailNeo@web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50AD3DB7.30808@gmail.com> <1353564652.76124.YahooMailNeo@web141106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50AFD0B6.4050907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50AFDBD8.9090606@gmail.com> On 11/23/2012 10:05 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > Good on ya mate! Whoa! For a second there I reverted to my Australian alternate personality. That hasn't come out in years! > > Bob Aye, weel, maist o us hae twa heids, yin wa war anither :) > > > On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Richmond wrote: > >> Go on, you know it's the right thing to do: >> >> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/GIFTS/Badge.zip >> >> Love, Richmond. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Fri Nov 23 17:25:32 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 14:25:32 -0800 Subject: [OT] WWII code 'may never be cracked' In-Reply-To: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> References: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: Kinda looks like the Scottish dialect in your earlier post! On Nov 23, 2012 9:34 AM, "Richmond" wrote: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-**20458792 > > AOAKN HVPKD FNFJW YIDDC > > RQXSR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX > > PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH > > NLXKG MEMKK ONOIB AKEEQ > > WAOTA RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH > > LKXGH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ > > KLDTS FQIRW AOAKN 27 1525/6 > > > Well, there is something odd about this code: > > 1. AOAKN at the start and the end could, possibly, be the key to the code. > > 2. I have an odd feeling that each 5 letter grouping may represent a > letter. > > Food for thought, anyway, Richmond. > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From dochawk at gmail.com Fri Nov 23 18:01:26 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:01:26 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: <260A24AF-8083-4EB2-9757-42F1F519DD5B@cox.net> <918FCB27-18F1-470B-8257-A0A9004B956F@jhj.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > it's looking for code using "it" being used . . . i'm pretty sure it > would be easier to accept "it" than to look. Another hole with it & explicitVar: copy something of somewhere to this card set the name of it to Joe the IDE doesn't recognize the copy as creating it. -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From dochawk at gmail.com Fri Nov 23 22:01:54 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 19:01:54 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: <260A24AF-8083-4EB2-9757-42F1F519DD5B@cox.net> <918FCB27-18F1-470B-8257-A0A9004B956F@jhj.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > the IDE doesn't recognize the copy as creating it. Further, it seems that if LiveCode is not already open, and the first thing in preOpenStack is set the explicitVar to true really bad things happen, and it doesn't run what it should before opening . . . -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Nov 23 22:56:01 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 19:56:01 -0800 Subject: [OT] WWII code 'may never be cracked' In-Reply-To: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> References: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <178776389406.20121123195601@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 23 23:02:17 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:02:17 -0600 Subject: [OT] WWII code 'may never be cracked' In-Reply-To: <178776389406.20121123195601@ahsoftware.net> References: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> <178776389406.20121123195601@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <50B046C9.4050109@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/23/12 9:56 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Richmond- > > Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn. > That's easy for you to say. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From skip at magicgate.com Fri Nov 23 23:02:52 2012 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 23:02:52 -0500 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: <0C3EF12C-989F-44AE-A553-99557E663CF4@sweattechnologies.com> References: <6C58DCBA-899A-48B2-A127-23325D8DDD80@sweattechnologies.com> <4F95570E-EFF3-488A-8935-E9611BDF7129@mac.com> <635FABA1-68CE-45AB-8BC3-81C58304B8B1@sweattechnologies.com> <336734CC-FED4-4D9A-A2E3-46852E26F667@mac.com> <882787C4-E1E9-4FA7-A743-C63328E02E57@sweattechnologies.com> <1EAA97BD-5BFF-472F-AD03-785CEF25CED0@canelasoftware.com> <0C3EF12C-989F-44AE-A553-99557E663CF4@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Monte, I think there are more of us wanting this than you expect..... been on my wish list for a very long time! SKIP On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > That's great Mark! I should be able to squeeze this in sometime between > now and the end of next week. > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 22/11/2012, at 5:51 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: > > > On Nov 19, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > > >> It doesn't look like this will happen in the short term folks. It's not > that it's not possible. It just doesn't appear that the funding will be > there. The mergExt business model rubs some people up the wrong way > unfortunately. If anyone can come up with a business model that gives LC > developers what they need to meet specific requirements, keeps prices low > enough so that people can use it and can cope with a very low volume of > sales then I'm all ears. Until then this is all I'm able to offer the LC > community. For what it's worth this external only needs about $350 worth of > funding to get off the ground. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Monte > > > > > > Canela Software will cover the remaining funding for this project. How > should we proceed? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Mark Talluto > > http://www.canelasoftware.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From monte at sweattechnologies.com Sat Nov 24 01:34:11 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:34:11 +1100 Subject: Location-Based Push Message? In-Reply-To: References: <6C58DCBA-899A-48B2-A127-23325D8DDD80@sweattechnologies.com> <4F95570E-EFF3-488A-8935-E9611BDF7129@mac.com> <635FABA1-68CE-45AB-8BC3-81C58304B8B1@sweattechnologies.com> <336734CC-FED4-4D9A-A2E3-46852E26F667@mac.com> <882787C4-E1E9-4FA7-A743-C63328E02E57@sweattechnologies.com> <1EAA97BD-5BFF-472F-AD03-785CEF25CED0@canelasoftware.com> <0C3EF12C-989F-44AE-A553-99557E663CF4@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: <5D38388F-B89F-4461-A4FF-06459F7C3450@sweattechnologies.com> Great Skip because it's on it's way. Because I live in a small rural town with only one cell tower (regions use cell tower/ wifi location) I'll probably need to run a test flight beta before release. I'm particularly interested in people that live or travel regularly through dense urban areas because that's where it works best (unless you just want to know if someone has come to town). Anyway, I implemented significant change location service also because it wasn't really much extra work. Both region monitoring/geofencing and significant location change will wake your app in the background for a few minutes so you can send a local notification if necessary or do something else. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 24/11/2012, at 3:02 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote: > I think there are more of us wanting this than you expect..... been on my > wish list for a very long time! From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 02:34:34 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:34:34 +0200 Subject: [OT] WWII code 'may never be cracked' In-Reply-To: References: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50B0788A.8090605@gmail.com> On 11/24/2012 12:25 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Kinda looks like the Scottish dialect in your earlier post! I was always led to belive that English was a dialect of Scots! . . . . LOL Although, seriously, I find these sorts of codes fascinating, and wonder whether, as long as it didn't use a properly randomised one-time code, that AOAKN and the numbers might not constitute the key. > On Nov 23, 2012 9:34 AM, "Richmond" wrote: > >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-**20458792 >> >> AOAKN HVPKD FNFJW YIDDC >> >> RQXSR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX >> >> PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH >> >> NLXKG MEMKK ONOIB AKEEQ >> >> WAOTA RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH >> >> LKXGH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ >> >> KLDTS FQIRW AOAKN 27 1525/6 >> >> >> Well, there is something odd about this code: >> >> 1. AOAKN at the start and the end could, possibly, be the key to the code. >> >> 2. I have an odd feeling that each 5 letter grouping may represent a >> letter. >> >> Food for thought, anyway, Richmond. >> >> >> >> From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 02:35:21 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:35:21 +0200 Subject: [OT] WWII code 'may never be cracked' In-Reply-To: <178776389406.20121123195601@ahsoftware.net> References: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> <178776389406.20121123195601@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <50B078B9.90909@gmail.com> On 11/24/2012 05:56 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Richmond- > > Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn. > Probably makes as much sense as anybody else's attempts :) From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 02:35:59 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:35:59 +0200 Subject: [OT] WWII code 'may never be cracked' In-Reply-To: <50B046C9.4050109@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> <178776389406.20121123195601@ahsoftware.net> <50B046C9.4050109@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50B078DF.9080700@gmail.com> On 11/24/2012 06:02 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/23/12 9:56 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> Richmond- >> >> Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn. >> > > That's easy for you to say. > I know, I've just been trying after a full breakfast. From andre.rombauts at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 08:25:43 2012 From: andre.rombauts at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Rombauts?=) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:25:43 +0100 Subject: Colorize a single field in a data grid Message-ID: Hello everyone, What is the simplest way to colorize a single field in a database displayed in a data grid? The problem is to put in red or in green a field according to its contents. It is easy to colorize globally a record (a line), but ho to act on a single field in that record? Andr? Rombauts From andre.rombauts at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 08:36:11 2012 From: andre.rombauts at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Rombauts?=) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:36:11 +0100 Subject: Colorize a single field in a data grid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Le 24 nov. 2012 ? 14:25, Andr? Rombauts a ?crit : > It is easy to colorize globally a record (a line), but ho to act on a single field in that record? I mean using the 'line has error' property From ueliweb at gmx.ch Sat Nov 24 09:27:43 2012 From: ueliweb at gmx.ch (Ueliweb) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:27:43 +0200 Subject: how interact if the user makes changes in a text field Message-ID: I want to implement a "live search" so if the user enter new letter in a search field. The DataGrid should show only the entries that contains the letters in one or more column. I could not find a message or function yet ... Is there any message sent? Other suggsestion? thanks Ueliweb From bonnmike at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 09:31:07 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 07:31:07 -0700 Subject: Colorize a single field in a data grid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think this is what you're looking for. http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/datagrid/l/7327-how-do-i-override-the-default-behavior-for-rendering-data-to-a-cell On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Andr? Rombauts wrote: > Le 24 nov. 2012 ? 14:25, Andr? Rombauts a > ?crit : > > > It is easy to colorize globally a record (a line), but ho to act on a > single field in that record? > > I mean using the 'line has error' property > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pmbrig at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 09:31:44 2012 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:31:44 -0500 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: <260A24AF-8083-4EB2-9757-42F1F519DD5B@cox.net> <918FCB27-18F1-470B-8257-A0A9004B956F@jhj.com> Message-ID: I think the property is "the explicitVariables" with a synonym of "the explicitVars". There is no global property "the explicitVar" and I suspect trying to set it results in a silent exit with no alert. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Nov 23, 2012, at 10:01 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: >> the IDE doesn't recognize the copy as creating it. > > Further, it seems that if LiveCode is not already open, and the first > thing in preOpenStack is > > set the explicitVar to true > > really bad things happen, and it doesn't run what it should before opening . . . > -- > Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pmbrig at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 09:38:33 2012 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:38:33 -0500 Subject: [OT] WWII code 'may never be cracked' In-Reply-To: <50B0788A.8090605@gmail.com> References: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> <50B0788A.8090605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <06C6F6A0-3A21-4A2D-A207-FBB49FBAF71D@gmail.com> On Nov 24, 2012, at 2:34 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 11/24/2012 12:25 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: >> Kinda looks like the Scottish dialect in your earlier post! > > I was always led to belive that English was a dialect of Scots! . . . . LOL > > Although, seriously, I find these sorts of codes fascinating, and wonder whether, as long > as it didn't use a properly randomised one-time code, that AOAKN and the numbers might not > constitute the key. No cryptographer would include a key as part of a message, so the AOAKN and numbers are likely something else. The 5-letter groups are standard for older encryptions, as a way of removing word length as a clue to the open text. If this was a WWII code, then it might well be based on an Enigma type strategy, and a message this short would be pretty unbreakable. Perhaps someone from the old days will recognize something that will tell us otherwise. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From pete at lcsql.com Sat Nov 24 10:53:03 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 07:53:03 -0800 Subject: [OT] WWII code 'may never be cracked' In-Reply-To: <50B0788A.8090605@gmail.com> References: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> <50B0788A.8090605@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think I remember reading that sometimes these codes were based on page/line/words in a specific book as the key. In that context, the numbers at the end might very well be references to the appropriate part of the book, but without knowing which book, there's no chance to decode it. Pretty sure the numbers provide the key to the puzzle in some way - they're so different from the rest of the code. Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 11/24/2012 12:25 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> Kinda looks like the Scottish dialect in your earlier post! >> > > I was always led to belive that English was a dialect of Scots! . . . . > LOL > > Although, seriously, I find these sorts of codes fascinating, and wonder > whether, as long > as it didn't use a properly randomised one-time code, that AOAKN and the > numbers might not > constitute the key. > > On Nov 23, 2012 9:34 AM, "Richmond" wrote: >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-****20458792 >>> >>> > >>> >>> AOAKN HVPKD FNFJW YIDDC >>> >>> RQXSR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX >>> >>> PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH >>> >>> NLXKG MEMKK ONOIB AKEEQ >>> >>> WAOTA RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH >>> >>> LKXGH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ >>> >>> KLDTS FQIRW AOAKN 27 1525/6 >>> >>> >>> Well, there is something odd about this code: >>> >>> 1. AOAKN at the start and the end could, possibly, be the key to the >>> code. >>> >>> 2. I have an odd feeling that each 5 letter grouping may represent a >>> letter. >>> >>> Food for thought, anyway, Richmond. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Nov 24 11:22:58 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 08:22:58 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50B0F462.9000106@fourthworld.com> Peter M. Brigham wrote: > On Nov 23, 2012, at 10:01 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: >>> the IDE doesn't recognize the copy as creating it. >> >> Further, it seems that if LiveCode is not already open, and the first >> thing in preOpenStack is >> >> set the explicitVar to true >> >> really bad things happen, and it doesn't run what it should before >> opening . . . > > I think the property is "the explicitVariables" with a synonym of > "the explicitVars". There is no global property "the explicitVar" > and I suspect trying to set it results in a silent exit with no alert. Recipe confirmed here, and I suspect you're right, that there are likely parts of the IDE scripts which haven't yet been completely rewritten to conform to the strict requirements of explicitVars. In fact, if you launch the IDE first and then set the explicitVars to true, you won't see the context menu when you right-click on an object. I've just submitted a bug report for this, with the suggestion that either the IDE be brought into conformance with explicitVars, or the Dictionary entry for that property include a reminder that the IDE supports a better implementation in Preferences so there's no practical reason to set the explicitVars in our scripts: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From dochawk at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 11:51:57 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 08:51:57 -0800 Subject: how interact if the user makes changes in a text field In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Saturday, November 24, 2012, Ueliweb wrote: > I want to implement a "live search" so if the user enter new letter in a > search field. > The DataGrid should show only the entries that contains the letters in one > or more column. > You can put a keyUp handler in your search field, and calculate accordingly -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From nm at studionm.pl Sat Nov 24 12:47:37 2012 From: nm at studionm.pl (Marek Niesiobedzki) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:47:37 +0100 Subject: how interact if the user makes changes in a text field Message-ID: textChanged message should be your friend. Marek From jiml at netrin.com Sat Nov 24 13:42:51 2012 From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:42:51 -0800 Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 110, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2274551F-1224-4536-BBFB-C06F08C70591@netrin.com> >> AOAKN [quote] >> HVPKD FNFJW YIDDC B E [space] >> >> RQXSR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX S U R E >> >> PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH [space] T O [space] >> >> NLXKG MEMKK ONOIB AKEEQ A V O I >> >> WAOTA RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH D [space] C H >> >> LKXGH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ I M N E >> >> KLDTS FQIRW Y S >> AOAKN [quote] From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 13:53:58 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:53:58 +0200 Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 110, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: <2274551F-1224-4536-BBFB-C06F08C70591@netrin.com> References: <2274551F-1224-4536-BBFB-C06F08C70591@netrin.com> Message-ID: <50B117C6.2020108@gmail.com> On 11/24/2012 08:42 PM, Jim Lambert wrote: >>> AOAKN > [quote] > >>> HVPKD FNFJW YIDDC > B E [space] >>> RQXSR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX > S U R E >>> PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH > [space] T O [space] >>> NLXKG MEMKK ONOIB AKEEQ > A V O I >>> WAOTA RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH > D [space] C H >>> LKXGH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ > I M N E >>> KLDTS FQIRW > Y S > >>> AOAKN > [quote] > > Bravo! Obviously, however, the code was too difficult for the pigeon to work out. LOL From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Sat Nov 24 13:58:03 2012 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:58:03 +0000 Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 110, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: <50B117C6.2020108@gmail.com> References: , <2274551F-1224-4536-BBFB-C06F08C70591@netrin.com>, <50B117C6.2020108@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:53:58 +0200 > From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Subject: Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 110, Issue 36 > > On 11/24/2012 08:42 PM, Jim Lambert wrote: > >>> AOAKN > > [quote] > > > >>> HVPKD FNFJW YIDDC > > B E [space] > >>> RQXSR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX > > S U R E > >>> PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH > > [space] T O [space] > >>> NLXKG MEMKK ONOIB AKEEQ > > A V O I > >>> WAOTA RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH > > D [space] C H > >>> LKXGH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ > > I M N E > >>> KLDTS FQIRW > > Y S > > > >>> AOAKN > > [quote] > > > > > > Bravo! Obviously, however, the code was too difficult for the pigeon to > work out. LOL Or maybe it was a French pigeon... From slylabs13 at me.com Sat Nov 24 14:36:59 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:36:59 -1000 Subject: [OT] WWII code 'may never be cracked' In-Reply-To: <50B0788A.8090605@gmail.com> References: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> <50B0788A.8090605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D4A7029-E90A-4B7C-853C-D45730A0B122@me.com> I don't think so Richmond. To date no one has been able to crack it, by all accounts, and one of the things you would NOT do when sending an encrypted message would be to include the key in the code. It's like hiding the key under the front mat, then sending the mat to get cleaned. Bob On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 11/24/2012 12:25 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: >> Kinda looks like the Scottish dialect in your earlier post! > > I was always led to belive that English was a dialect of Scots! . . . . LOL > > Although, seriously, I find these sorts of codes fascinating, and wonder whether, as long > as it didn't use a properly randomised one-time code, that AOAKN and the numbers might not > constitute the key. From slylabs13 at me.com Sat Nov 24 14:40:01 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:40:01 -1000 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: <260A24AF-8083-4EB2-9757-42F1F519DD5B@cox.net> <918FCB27-18F1-470B-8257-A0A9004B956F@jhj.com> Message-ID: <58859A1C-C157-4466-9978-288CEDF026F0@me.com> You are saying that when you copy something, it contains the long name or id of the object? If not, then it will contain whatever was in "it" before the command. Bob On Nov 23, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > >> it's looking for code using "it" being used . . . i'm pretty sure it >> would be easier to accept "it" than to look. > > Another hole with it & explicitVar: > > copy something of somewhere to this card > set the name of it to Joe > > the IDE doesn't recognize the copy as creating it. > > -- > Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ueliweb at gmx.ch Sat Nov 24 14:54:38 2012 From: ueliweb at gmx.ch (Ueliweb) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:54:38 +0200 Subject: how interact if the user makes changes in a text field In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thanks! both works well 2012/11/24 Marek Niesiobedzki > textChanged From slylabs13 at me.com Sat Nov 24 15:09:31 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:09:31 -1000 Subject: how interact if the user makes changes in a text field In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <165C6539-E8AF-4020-8E6E-68F0854BC21E@me.com> This is what I do. Obviously, when you read the code, I am interacting with a database connection, so you will have to write your own code. It's still buggy because I was rewriting it to not read from the database every time, but the keyUp handler works perfectly. It will basically wait until a delay has elapsed before filtering the datagrid, so it is very responsive. Bob local lSavedData, lSavedID --> all handlers on rawKeyUp if the text of me is not empty then show button "btnCloseFind" put the ticks into theLastTime wait .75 seconds with messages filterDataGrid else put empty into gStartTime hide button "btnCloseFind" if lSavedData is an array then set the dgData of group "dgTableData" to lSavedData put empty into lSavedData end if exit to top end if pass rawKeyUp end rawKeyUp on filterDataGrid -- Get the value put the text of me into theValue -- save the selection put the dgHilitedIndex of group "dgTableData" into theIndex put the dgDataOfIndex[theIndex] of group "dgTableData" into theRowA put theRowA["uniqueid"] into lSavedID -- Save the datagrid data if not (lSavedData is an array) then put the dgData of group "dgTableData" into theDataA put theDataA into lSavedData else put lSavedData into theDataA end if -- Get a list of visible columns put the dgProps["columns"] of group "dgTableData" into theColumns -- convert the datagrid array to key text put altPrintKeys(theDataA) into theText -- filter the data filter theText with "*" & tab & theValue & "*" -- convert the text back to an array put altKeysToArray(theText) into theDataA set the dgData of group "dgTableData" to theDataA hiliteRecord dispatch "selectionChanged" to group "dgTableData" -- set the dgFocus of group "dgTableData" to true end filterDataGrid on restoreDataGrid put empty into field "FindBar" set the dgData of group "dgTableData" to lSavedData hiliteRecord set the dgFocus of group "dgTableData" to true put empty into lSavedData put empty into lSavedID end restoreDataGrid on hiliteRecord dispatch findIndex to group "dgTableData" with "uniqueid", lSavedID put the result into theFoundIndex if theFoundIndex = 0 then set the dgHilitedLine of group "dgTableData" to 1 else set the dgHilitedIndex of group "dgTableData" to theFoundIndex end if end hiliteRecord On Nov 24, 2012, at 4:27 AM, Ueliweb wrote: > I want to implement a "live search" so if the user enter new letter in a > search field. > The DataGrid should show only the entries that contains the letters in one > or more column. > > I could not find a message or function yet ... > > Is there any message sent? > Other suggsestion? > > thanks > Ueliweb > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From slylabs13 at me.com Sat Nov 24 15:11:54 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:11:54 -1000 Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 110, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: References: <2274551F-1224-4536-BBFB-C06F08C70591@netrin.com> <50B117C6.2020108@gmail.com> Message-ID: They mistakenly attached the message to a pigeon who had only ben trained in pigeon english. Bob On Nov 24, 2012, at 8:58 AM, John Dixon wrote: > > > >> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:53:58 +0200 >> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com >> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Subject: Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 110, Issue 36 >> >> On 11/24/2012 08:42 PM, Jim Lambert wrote: >>>>> AOAKN >>> [quote] >>> >>>>> HVPKD FNFJW YIDDC >>> B E [space] >>>>> RQXSR DJHFP GOVFN MIAPX >>> S U R E >>>>> PABUZ WYYNP CMPNW HJRZH >>> [space] T O [space] >>>>> NLXKG MEMKK ONOIB AKEEQ >>> A V O I >>>>> WAOTA RBQRH DJOFM TPZEH >>> D [space] C H >>>>> LKXGH RGGHT JRZCQ FNKTQ >>> I M N E >>>>> KLDTS FQIRW >>> Y S >>> >>>>> AOAKN >>> [quote] >>> >>> >> >> Bravo! Obviously, however, the code was too difficult for the pigeon to >> work out. LOL > > Or maybe it was a French pigeon... > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Sat Nov 24 15:13:46 2012 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:13:46 +0000 Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 110, Issue 36 In-Reply-To: References: , <2274551F-1224-4536-BBFB-C06F08C70591@netrin.com>, <50B117C6.2020108@gmail.com>, , Message-ID: > Subject: Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 110, Issue 36 > From: slylabs13 at me.com > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:11:54 -1000 > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > They mistakenly attached the message to a pigeon who had only ben trained in pigeon english. > > Bob Nice one !...:-) From iowahengst at mac.com Sat Nov 24 15:55:02 2012 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:55:02 -0600 Subject: Builds for iPod Touch Message-ID: <132BDC66-98C1-4FAA-986C-F1A93CE00186@mac.com> Hi All, I now have an iPod Touch? the big screen. Apps that I have already on iTunes center horizontally when I open them on the new iPod. The same apps built with LC5.5.3 Xcode 4.5.2 do not center. The are landscape format and line up flush with the left side? which means the right side shows "extra" space on the card that should be hidden. I really don't have time to rebuild the apps with the new dimensions. Anyone know what I need to do so these new builds center horizontally on the new iPod? be well, randy hengst From dochawk at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 16:04:51 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:04:51 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <58859A1C-C157-4466-9978-288CEDF026F0@me.com> References: <260A24AF-8083-4EB2-9757-42F1F519DD5B@cox.net> <918FCB27-18F1-470B-8257-A0A9004B956F@jhj.com> <58859A1C-C157-4466-9978-288CEDF026F0@me.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Robert Sneidar wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: >> copy something of somewhere to this card >> set the name of it to Joe >> >> the IDE doesn't recognize the copy as creating it. > You are saying that when you copy something, it contains the long name or id of the >object? If not, then it will contain whatever was in "it" before the command. Something like copy group myout from cd 1 of stack rawstuff to cd target will copy the group. I can then say things like, set the upperleft of it to 1,1 Howerver, the ide chokes on that it, which is the proper use. -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From jhj at jhj.com Sat Nov 24 16:35:20 2012 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:35:20 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: <260A24AF-8083-4EB2-9757-42F1F519DD5B@cox.net> <918FCB27-18F1-470B-8257-A0A9004B956F@jhj.com> <58859A1C-C157-4466-9978-288CEDF026F0@me.com> Message-ID: <51951508-D663-432B-A41C-4537AF6BBA24@jhj.com> On Nov 24, 2012, at 1:04 PM, "Dr. Hawkins" wrote: > > Something like > > copy group myout from cd 1 of stack rawstuff to cd target > > will copy the group. > > I can then say things like, > > set the upperleft of it to 1,1 > > Howerver, the ide chokes on that it, which is the proper use. I can't find anywhere in the docs that claim the copy command will affect it. Seems logical, but I suppose one could argue which should be it, if anything. The group or the cd? Apparently neither. Oh, BTW its topleft, not upperleft. .Jerry "Cousin It" Jensen From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Nov 24 16:42:35 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:42:35 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <51951508-D663-432B-A41C-4537AF6BBA24@jhj.com> References: <51951508-D663-432B-A41C-4537AF6BBA24@jhj.com> Message-ID: <50B13F4B.1030002@fourthworld.com> Jerry Jensen wrote: > On Nov 24, 2012, at 1:04 PM, "Dr. Hawkins" wrote: >> >> Something like >> >> copy group myout from cd 1 of stack rawstuff to cd target >> >> will copy the group. >> >> I can then say things like, >> >> set the upperleft of it to 1,1 >> >> Howerver, the ide chokes on that it, which is the proper use. > > I can't find anywhere in the docs that claim the copy command will > affect it. Seems logical, but I suppose one could argue which should > be it, if anything. The group or the cd? Apparently neither. This is a known inconsistency. Most other commands that create objects put the long ID of the newly-created object into "it", but not copy or clone. I think there's a bug report about that somewhere in the DB... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From dochawk at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 17:00:10 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:00:10 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <51951508-D663-432B-A41C-4537AF6BBA24@jhj.com> References: <260A24AF-8083-4EB2-9757-42F1F519DD5B@cox.net> <918FCB27-18F1-470B-8257-A0A9004B956F@jhj.com> <58859A1C-C157-4466-9978-288CEDF026F0@me.com> <51951508-D663-432B-A41C-4537AF6BBA24@jhj.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote: > I can't find anywhere in the docs that claim the copy command will affect it. Seems >logical, but I suppose one could argue which should be it, if anything. The group or > the cd? Apparently neither. I think I had to use trial & error to figure it out. *something* had to refer to what just got pasted . . . > Oh, BTW its topleft, not upperleft. Yeah, I make that mistake every time I use it, and probably have been for 25 years . . . I'm sticking with the name being a bug :) [Dennis Ritchie told me a few years ago that Ken would have agreed with my position that the names of rmdir & mkdir were bugs, as any command that important should only take two letters . . .] -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From pete at lcsql.com Sat Nov 24 19:24:44 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:24:44 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: <50B13F4B.1030002@fourthworld.com> References: <51951508-D663-432B-A41C-4537AF6BBA24@jhj.com> <50B13F4B.1030002@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Actually, the dictionary entry for copy says: "If a destination card, group, or stack is specified, the *copy* commandplaces the ID propertyof the newly created object in the it variable , and the appropriate messageis sent." Not saying it actually happens, just that the dictionary claims it should. Looks like the workaround is have a newxxx handler to check for it. Pete lcSQL Software On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > This is a known inconsistency. Most other commands that create objects > put the long ID of the newly-created object into "it", but not copy or > clone. > > I think there's a bug report about that somewhere in the DB... > From jhj at jhj.com Sat Nov 24 19:48:07 2012 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:48:07 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: <51951508-D663-432B-A41C-4537AF6BBA24@jhj.com> <50B13F4B.1030002@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <36C7DA31-8E28-4F5B-99DE-9CC7E3716BD8@jhj.com> Ah! So it does! Apologies for the bad info. .Jerry On Nov 24, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Actually, the dictionary entry for copy says: > > "If a destination card, group, or stack is specified, the *copy* > commandplaces the > ID > propertyof the newly created > object in the > it > variable , and the appropriate > messageis sent." > > Not saying it actually happens, just that the dictionary claims it should. > Looks like the workaround is have a newxxx handler to check for it. > > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: > >> This is a known inconsistency. Most other commands that create objects >> put the long ID of the newly-created object into "it", but not copy or >> clone. >> >> I think there's a bug report about that somewhere in the DB... >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Nov 24 20:04:18 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:04:18 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: <51951508-D663-432B-A41C-4537AF6BBA24@jhj.com> <50B13F4B.1030002@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <77852486656.20121124170418@ahsoftware.net> Pete- Saturday, November 24, 2012, 4:24:44 PM, you wrote: > "If a destination card, group, or stack is specified, the *copy* > commandplaces the > ID > propertyof the newly created > object in the > it > variable , and the appropriate > messageis sent." That's a seriously wacky paragraph. Does your mother know you talk like that? -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Nov 24 20:13:01 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:13:01 -0800 Subject: it and explicitVar? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50B1709D.7050505@fourthworld.com> Peter Haworth wrote: > Actually, the dictionary entry for copy says: > > "If a destination card, group, or stack is specified, the *copy* > command places the ID property of the newly created object in > the it variable, and the appropriate message is sent." > > Not saying it actually happens, just that the dictionary claims it > should. Thanks - confirmed here: Looks like they've brought "paste", "clone", and "copy" when specifying a target container to consistency with "create" in setting "it" to the long ID of the new object. Perhaps the issue Dr. Hawkins' encountered was limited to attempting "upperLeft". -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From jpottsx1 at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 20:52:10 2012 From: jpottsx1 at gmail.com (Potts Jeff) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:52:10 -0500 Subject: OmegaBundle Question Message-ID: Sorry to bother the list with this question, but I just had a HD crash and need to re-install my omega bundle and cannot for the life of me find the email receipt. Can someone forward me the contact info for the OmegaBundle vendor/purchase processor? THX Jeff From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sat Nov 24 22:08:54 2012 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:08:54 -0800 Subject: OmegaBundle Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7639C41270E84E6995071757A6497BBB@GATEWAY> Jeff, You need to contact each of the participating vendors. Ill see if I can find a copy of the original fulfillment email. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > -----Original Message----- > From: use-livecode > [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Potts Jeff > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 5:52 PM > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Subject: OmegaBundle Question > > Sorry to bother the list with this question, but I just had a > HD crash and need to re-install my omega bundle and cannot > for the life of me find the email receipt. Can someone > forward me the contact info for the OmegaBundle > vendor/purchase processor? > > THX > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From gwendalwood at cox.net Mon Nov 26 04:57:20 2012 From: gwendalwood at cox.net (gwendalwood at cox.net) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 1:57:20 -0800 Subject: iOS compile problems Message-ID: <20121126045720.6JIR9.219506.imail@fed1rmwml213> I just upgraded my Mac Mini to Mountain Lion. I am using LiveCode 5.5.3. I downloaded and installed Xcode 4.6 I can run my app in the 6.0 simulator, but the app won't compile. It keeps saying that I need to have SDK 5.1 installed. The Xcode specs for 4.6 says that all of that is included with Xcode 4.6 What am I doing wrong? Thanks for your help. George From gwendalwood at cox.net Mon Nov 26 04:58:35 2012 From: gwendalwood at cox.net (gwendalwood at cox.net) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 1:58:35 -0800 Subject: iOS compile problems Message-ID: <20121126045835.45CCC.219507.imail@fed1rmwml213> I just upgraded my Mac Mini to Mountain Lion. I am using LiveCode 5.5.3. I downloaded and installed Xcode 4.6 I can run my app in the 6.0 simulator, but the app won't compile. It keeps saying that I need to have SDK 5.1 installed. The Xcode specs for 4.6 says that all of that is included with Xcode 4.6 What am I doing wrong? Thanks for your help. George From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk Mon Nov 26 05:16:09 2012 From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:16:09 +0000 Subject: iOS compile problems In-Reply-To: <20121126045835.45CCC.219507.imail@fed1rmwml213> References: <20121126045835.45CCC.219507.imail@fed1rmwml213> Message-ID: Try with xCode 4.5... as 4.6 is not final yet... In the release notes for LC 5.5.3, xCode 4.5 is the recommended version. 5.5.3 & 4.5.2 is working for me... > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 01:58:35 -0800 > From: gwendalwood at cox.net > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Subject: iOS compile problems > > I just upgraded my Mac Mini to Mountain Lion. I am using LiveCode 5.5.3. I downloaded and installed Xcode 4.6 > I can run my app in the 6.0 simulator, but the app won't compile. It keeps saying that I need to have SDK 5.1 installed. The Xcode specs for 4.6 says that all of that is included with Xcode 4.6 > What am I doing wrong? > Thanks for your help. > George > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From guglielmo at braguglia.ch Mon Nov 26 07:05:15 2012 From: guglielmo at braguglia.ch (Guglielmo Braguglia) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:05:15 +0100 Subject: iOS compile problems In-Reply-To: <20121126045835.45CCC.219507.imail@fed1rmwml213> References: <20121126045835.45CCC.219507.imail@fed1rmwml213> Message-ID: <50B35AFB.9020906@braguglia.ch> Hi George, you have to download also the old XCode 4.4.1 (you can find in the download area), save with another name (e.g. Xcode_4.4.1.app) and you have to add also this one to LiveCode 5.5.3 (LiveCode -> Preferences -> Mobile Support ... you can add many Xcode to support many versions). This will give all the SDK and Simulators you actually need. Guglielmo On 26.11.2012 10:58, gwendalwood at cox.net wrote: > I just upgraded my Mac Mini to Mountain Lion. I am using LiveCode 5.5.3. I downloaded and installed Xcode 4.6 > I can run my app in the 6.0 simulator, but the app won't compile. It keeps saying that I need to have SDK 5.1 installed. The Xcode specs for 4.6 says that all of that is included with Xcode 4.6 > What am I doing wrong? > Thanks for your help. > George > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From skip at magicgate.com Mon Nov 26 12:20:43 2012 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:20:43 -0500 Subject: Locking a group for a visual effect Message-ID: I want to transition between cards but keep a group (background and menu called "MainMenuAndBackground" in place without experiencing the effect results. Is this possible? SKIP From slylabs13 at me.com Mon Nov 26 13:07:01 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:07:01 -1000 Subject: Locking a group for a visual effect In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> I don't think you can within the same app. You *could* make a standalone as a system window which will float above other apps, launch it with Applescript and show it just before you transition, then hide or quit it after the transition. It's an ugly hack, but it is how I do animated dialogs or progress indicators. I have no solution for Windows though. I don't know how you would communicate with a separate Windows compiled app from another. Bob On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:20 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote: > I want to transition between cards but keep a group (background and menu > called "MainMenuAndBackground" in place without experiencing the effect > results. Is this possible? > > SKIP > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From skip at magicgate.com Mon Nov 26 13:12:59 2012 From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:12:59 -0500 Subject: Locking a group for a visual effect In-Reply-To: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> References: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> Message-ID: This would be for mobile devices.... SKIP On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > I don't think you can within the same app. You *could* make a standalone > as a system window which will float above other apps, launch it with > Applescript and show it just before you transition, then hide or quit it > after the transition. It's an ugly hack, but it is how I do animated > dialogs or progress indicators. I have no solution for Windows though. I > don't know how you would communicate with a separate Windows compiled app > from another. > > Bob > > > On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:20 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote: > > > I want to transition between cards but keep a group (background and menu > > called "MainMenuAndBackground" in place without experiencing the effect > > results. Is this possible? > > > > SKIP > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From lc at pbh.on-rev.com Mon Nov 26 13:18:51 2012 From: lc at pbh.on-rev.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:18:51 -0800 Subject: Locking a group for a visual effect In-Reply-To: References: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> Message-ID: It is possible to hide other groups with visual effects, this works? hide group "groupControls1" with visual effect dissolve slow go cd 2 show group "groupControls2" with visual effect dissolve slow ?Assuming you can group the rest of the controls separately. I just tried a quick test and it works with no problems here, I can send you the stack if it helps. Paul On 2012-11-26, at 10:12 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote: > This would be for mobile devices.... > > SKIP > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > >> I don't think you can within the same app. You *could* make a standalone >> as a system window which will float above other apps, launch it with >> Applescript and show it just before you transition, then hide or quit it >> after the transition. It's an ugly hack, but it is how I do animated >> dialogs or progress indicators. I have no solution for Windows though. I >> don't know how you would communicate with a separate Windows compiled app >> from another. >> >> Bob >> >> >> On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:20 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote: >> >>> I want to transition between cards but keep a group (background and menu >>> called "MainMenuAndBackground" in place without experiencing the effect >>> results. Is this possible? >>> >>> SKIP >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 13:22:24 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:22:24 +0200 Subject: [OT] the evils (?) of secure boot. Message-ID: <50B3B360.10500@gmail.com> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20121126#qa From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Mon Nov 26 13:34:57 2012 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:34:57 -0500 Subject: [OT] the evils (?) of secure boot. In-Reply-To: <50B3B360.10500@gmail.com> References: <50B3B360.10500@gmail.com> Message-ID: nearly as annoying, to those of us who have tried Windows 8, is that you can't just go to the store and get a Win 7 machine in most cases. You have to order one. So, if you want to run Linux as your primary OS, the challenges mount. If you want to boot from a liveCD for your corporate banking, the challenges are even higher. Trying to do all three is....well....discouraged. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Richmond wrote: > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.**php?issue=20121126#qa > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Nov 26 13:59:48 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:59:48 -0600 Subject: Locking a group for a visual effect In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50B3BC24.1090107@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/26/12 11:20 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote: > I want to transition between cards but keep a group (background and menu > called "MainMenuAndBackground" in place without experiencing the effect > results. Is this possible? If the parts that should show with a visual effect are within the same rectangular area, you can apply the effect only within that area. lock screen for visual effect in rect tRect go next card unlock screen with visual effect Only the area inside the rectangle will show the visual. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From slylabs13 at me.com Mon Nov 26 14:05:30 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:05:30 -1000 Subject: [OT] the evils (?) of secure boot. In-Reply-To: References: <50B3B360.10500@gmail.com> Message-ID: I get the sense that this is the philosophy towards security that Microsoft executives have always made in respect to securing their OS and software: Always take the shortest path between the problem and the golf course. In this case it manifests itself by locking everything down so tight the end user can hardly move, then putting up horror movie warnings if the user tries to change anything. But fundamentally rethinking how they write their software in the first place? Unthinkable!! Bob On Nov 26, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > nearly as annoying, to those of us who have tried Windows 8, is that you > can't just go to the store and get a Win 7 machine in most cases. You have > to order one. > > So, if you want to run Linux as your primary OS, the challenges mount. > > If you want to boot from a liveCD for your corporate banking, the > challenges are even higher. > > Trying to do all three is....well....discouraged. > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Richmond wrote: > >> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.**php?issue=20121126#qa >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Mon Nov 26 14:16:26 2012 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:16:26 -0500 Subject: [OT] the evils (?) of secure boot. In-Reply-To: References: <50B3B360.10500@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rootkits and bootloaders are a threat that cannot be addressed reasonably any other way. If you want to talk about lousy security on the inside, Windows cannot even hold a candle to the laughably-bad ICS's. Back in The Day I felt like I was the one who was wrong because I kept pointing out out horribly bad the security on PLC's and their related controllers are. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > I get the sense that this is the philosophy towards security that > Microsoft executives have always made in respect to securing their OS and > software: Always take the shortest path between the problem and the golf > course. In this case it manifests itself by locking everything down so > tight the end user can hardly move, then putting up horror movie warnings > if the user tries to change anything. But fundamentally rethinking how they > write their software in the first place? Unthinkable!! > Bob > > > On Nov 26, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > > > nearly as annoying, to those of us who have tried Windows 8, is that you > > can't just go to the store and get a Win 7 machine in most cases. You > have > > to order one. > > > > So, if you want to run Linux as your primary OS, the challenges mount. > > > > If you want to boot from a liveCD for your corporate banking, the > > challenges are even higher. > > > > Trying to do all three is....well....discouraged. > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Richmond >wrote: > > > >> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.**php?issue=20121126#qa< > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20121126#qa> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode< > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > > On the second day, God created the oceans. > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > > and did a little diving. > > And God said, "This is good." > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 14:59:05 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:59:05 +0200 Subject: [OT] the evils (?) of secure boot. In-Reply-To: References: <50B3B360.10500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50B3CA09.7030302@gmail.com> On 11/26/2012 09:16 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > Rootkits and bootloaders are a threat that cannot be addressed reasonably > any other way. If you want to talk about lousy security on the inside, > Windows cannot even hold a candle to the laughably-bad ICS's. Back in The > Day I felt like I was the one who was wrong because I kept pointing out out > horribly bad the security on PLC's and their related controllers are. > > > Is it just me, or . . . ? I would have thought one of the EASIEST ways to avoid one's machine from getting mucked up by a rootkit or a bootloader was to make sure one's computer was NOT connected to some sort of internet connexion prior and during OS install. I must say one of the things I dislike is how OS installs give the impression that they won't work without an internet connexion - which is, of course, a load of old tosh. Richmond. From kee at kagi.com Mon Nov 26 15:02:30 2012 From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:02:30 -0800 Subject: [OT] the evils (?) of secure boot. In-Reply-To: <50B3CA09.7030302@gmail.com> References: <50B3B360.10500@gmail.com> <50B3CA09.7030302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1459230F-1F7F-43BA-B5A7-E499C5E7B818@kagi.com> For banking I just purchased a cheap Chromebook. Just got it today. Gonna see if it can talk to all the banks we use. But that is all it will ever be used for, banking. Kee On Nov 26, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 11/26/2012 09:16 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: >> Rootkits and bootloaders are a threat that cannot be addressed reasonably >> any other way. If you want to talk about lousy security on the inside, >> Windows cannot even hold a candle to the laughably-bad ICS's. Back in The >> Day I felt like I was the one who was wrong because I kept pointing out out >> horribly bad the security on PLC's and their related controllers are. >> >> >> > > Is it just me, or . . . ? > > I would have thought one of the EASIEST ways to avoid one's machine from getting > mucked up by a rootkit or a bootloader was to make sure one's computer was NOT > connected to some sort of internet connexion prior and during OS install. > > I must say one of the things I dislike is how OS installs give the impression that they > won't work without an internet connexion - which is, of course, a load of old tosh. > > Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Mon Nov 26 15:12:46 2012 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:12:46 -0500 Subject: [OT] the evils (?) of secure boot. In-Reply-To: <1459230F-1F7F-43BA-B5A7-E499C5E7B818@kagi.com> References: <50B3B360.10500@gmail.com> <50B3CA09.7030302@gmail.com> <1459230F-1F7F-43BA-B5A7-E499C5E7B818@kagi.com> Message-ID: Kee, I thought about doing the same thing. Let me know how it goes. I've airgrapped most of our vulnerable systems, and I am seriously considering pulling the plug on the net except for chromebooks or something similar. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:02 PM, kee nethery wrote: > For banking I just purchased a cheap Chromebook. Just got it today. Gonna > see if it can talk to all the banks we use. But that is all it will ever be > used for, banking. > Kee > > > On Nov 26, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Richmond > wrote: > > > On 11/26/2012 09:16 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > >> Rootkits and bootloaders are a threat that cannot be addressed > reasonably > >> any other way. If you want to talk about lousy security on the inside, > >> Windows cannot even hold a candle to the laughably-bad ICS's. Back in > The > >> Day I felt like I was the one who was wrong because I kept pointing out > out > >> horribly bad the security on PLC's and their related controllers are. > >> > >> > >> > > > > Is it just me, or . . . ? > > > > I would have thought one of the EASIEST ways to avoid one's machine from > getting > > mucked up by a rootkit or a bootloader was to make sure one's computer > was NOT > > connected to some sort of internet connexion prior and during OS install. > > > > I must say one of the things I dislike is how OS installs give the > impression that they > > won't work without an internet connexion - which is, of course, a load > of old tosh. > > > > Richmond. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From dunbarx at aol.com Mon Nov 26 15:28:20 2012 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Get the serial number of the machine In-Reply-To: References: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> Message-ID: <8CF9A2BB5834A41-12E0-1C3B2@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Is it possible to use a shell command, or whatever, to retrieve the serial number of the machine that LC is running on? Or any machine-specific designator? Thanks, Craig Newman From slylabs13 at me.com Mon Nov 26 15:37:37 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:37:37 -1000 Subject: [OT] the evils (?) of secure boot. In-Reply-To: <50B3CA09.7030302@gmail.com> References: <50B3B360.10500@gmail.com> <50B3CA09.7030302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <26CF6554-9542-437B-9B2D-E669E1C21203@me.com> Having a lot of experience in this arena, I should point out that network level security is only one layer of the "onion" so to speak. There is also physical access, which is a big way that bootloaders get installed. For instance, if someone has a custom USB drive, they can obtain all the password hashes for the accounts in a Windows machine (something that Microsoft said was impossible at one time) and then run it through some hash tables to get a list of the associated passwords. Admittedly, this was with Windows XP and Server 2000/2003. Supposedly, Vista and Win 7 forsook the MD5 encryption they were using, and now use AES, so whether or not it can be done with a modern Windows OS I am skeptical about. But my main point is, if you give someone physical access to your computer, or you tell your kids the Administrator password, NOTHING can save you from compromise at that point. Oh sure, you can have your AV software forbid USB drives, but if someone has administrator access, they can override your AV. Security must be a multi-tiered approach to be successful. It is EXTREMELY rare for someone who has taken all reasonable precautions to become "infected" with malware. Bob On Nov 26, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 11/26/2012 09:16 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: >> Rootkits and bootloaders are a threat that cannot be addressed reasonably >> any other way. If you want to talk about lousy security on the inside, >> Windows cannot even hold a candle to the laughably-bad ICS's. Back in The >> Day I felt like I was the one who was wrong because I kept pointing out out >> horribly bad the security on PLC's and their related controllers are. >> >> >> > > Is it just me, or . . . ? > > I would have thought one of the EASIEST ways to avoid one's machine from getting > mucked up by a rootkit or a bootloader was to make sure one's computer was NOT > connected to some sort of internet connexion prior and during OS install. > > I must say one of the things I dislike is how OS installs give the impression that they > won't work without an internet connexion - which is, of course, a load of old tosh. > > Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pmbrig at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 16:02:35 2012 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:02:35 -0500 Subject: [OT] the evils (?) of secure boot. In-Reply-To: <26CF6554-9542-437B-9B2D-E669E1C21203@me.com> References: <50B3B360.10500@gmail.com> <50B3CA09.7030302@gmail.com> <26CF6554-9542-437B-9B2D-E669E1C21203@me.com> Message-ID: "The weakest computer security link is in between the chair and the keyboard and, unfortunately, cannot easily be upgraded or patched." -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:37 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > Having a lot of experience in this arena, I should point out that network level security is only one layer of the "onion" so to speak. There is also physical access, which is a big way that bootloaders get installed. For instance, if someone has a custom USB drive, they can obtain all the password hashes for the accounts in a Windows machine (something that Microsoft said was impossible at one time) and then run it through some hash tables to get a list of the associated passwords. Admittedly, this was with Windows XP and Server 2000/2003. Supposedly, Vista and Win 7 forsook the MD5 encryption they were using, and now use AES, so whether or not it can be done with a modern Windows OS I am skeptical about. > > But my main point is, if you give someone physical access to your computer, or you tell your kids the Administrator password, NOTHING can save you from compromise at that point. Oh sure, you can have your AV software forbid USB drives, but if someone has administrator access, they can override your AV. > > Security must be a multi-tiered approach to be successful. It is EXTREMELY rare for someone who has taken all reasonable precautions to become "infected" with malware. > > Bob > > > On Nov 26, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Richmond wrote: > >> On 11/26/2012 09:16 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: >>> Rootkits and bootloaders are a threat that cannot be addressed reasonably >>> any other way. If you want to talk about lousy security on the inside, >>> Windows cannot even hold a candle to the laughably-bad ICS's. Back in The >>> Day I felt like I was the one who was wrong because I kept pointing out out >>> horribly bad the security on PLC's and their related controllers are. >>> >>> >>> >> >> Is it just me, or . . . ? >> >> I would have thought one of the EASIEST ways to avoid one's machine from getting >> mucked up by a rootkit or a bootloader was to make sure one's computer was NOT >> connected to some sort of internet connexion prior and during OS install. >> >> I must say one of the things I dislike is how OS installs give the impression that they >> won't work without an internet connexion - which is, of course, a load of old tosh. >> >> Richmond. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Mon Nov 26 16:06:22 2012 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:06:22 -0500 Subject: [OT] the evils (?) of secure boot. In-Reply-To: <26CF6554-9542-437B-9B2D-E669E1C21203@me.com> References: <50B3B360.10500@gmail.com> <50B3CA09.7030302@gmail.com> <26CF6554-9542-437B-9B2D-E669E1C21203@me.com> Message-ID: I get that. Unfortunately, despite 20 years of harping, hacking, umm, I mean testing, and other precautions, my wife of all people manages to get one of her PC's infected at least once a year. So negligence definitely plays a role. I get why secure boot exists and is necessary. I hope we see a Linux pre-loader soon. And FYI, I have yet to meet a USB key that can defeat epoxy. From bonnmike at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 16:40:45 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:40:45 -0700 Subject: Get the serial number of the machine In-Reply-To: <8CF9A2BB5834A41-12E0-1C3B2@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> <8CF9A2BB5834A41-12E0-1C3B2@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On a mac: system_profiler SPHardwareDataType | grep "Serial Number" On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, wrote: > > > Is it possible to use a shell command, or whatever, to retrieve the serial > number of the machine that LC is > running on? Or any machine-specific designator? > > > Thanks, > > > Craig Newman > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From dunbarx at aol.com Mon Nov 26 18:08:45 2012 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:08:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Get the serial number of the machine In-Reply-To: References: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> <8CF9A2BB5834A41-12E0-1C3B2@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF9A421E56A576-12E0-1D636@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Mike. Thanks, but I meant from a script in LC. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bonner To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:41 pm Subject: Re: Get the serial number of the machine On a mac: system_profiler SPHardwareDataType | grep "Serial Number" On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, wrote: > > > Is it possible to use a shell command, or whatever, to retrieve the serial > number of the machine that LC is > running on? Or any machine-specific designator? > > > Thanks, > > > Craig Newman > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From revdev at pdslabs.net Mon Nov 26 18:49:14 2012 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:49:14 -0800 Subject: Get the serial number of the machine In-Reply-To: <8CF9A421E56A576-12E0-1D636@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> <8CF9A2BB5834A41-12E0-1C3B2@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <8CF9A421E56A576-12E0-1D636@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50B3FFFA.6080509@pdslabs.net> put last word of shell("system_profiler SPHardwareDataType | grep 'Serial Number'") :-) Phil Davis (I don't know of a way on Win but there might be one) On 11/26/12 3:08 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote: > Mike. > > > Thanks, but I meant from a script in LC. > > > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Bonner > To: How to use LiveCode > Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:41 pm > Subject: Re: Get the serial number of the machine > > > On a mac: system_profiler SPHardwareDataType | grep "Serial Number" > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, wrote: > >> >> Is it possible to use a shell command, or whatever, to retrieve the serial >> number of the machine that LC is >> running on? Or any machine-specific designator? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Craig Newman >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Phil Davis From slylabs13 at me.com Mon Nov 26 18:53:19 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:53:19 -1000 Subject: Get the serial number of the machine In-Reply-To: <8CF9A421E56A576-12E0-1D636@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> <8CF9A2BB5834A41-12E0-1C3B2@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <8CF9A421E56A576-12E0-1D636@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <01C99D51-0DDD-414F-93E9-7C828C563993@me.com> You can shell it out of Livecode. Bob On Nov 26, 2012, at 1:08 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote: > Mike. > > > Thanks, but I meant from a script in LC. > > > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Bonner > To: How to use LiveCode > Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:41 pm > Subject: Re: Get the serial number of the machine > > > On a mac: system_profiler SPHardwareDataType | grep "Serial Number" > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, wrote: > >> >> >> Is it possible to use a shell command, or whatever, to retrieve the serial >> number of the machine that LC is >> running on? Or any machine-specific designator? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Craig Newman >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dunbarx at aol.com Mon Nov 26 18:56:24 2012 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:56:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Get the serial number of the machine In-Reply-To: <50B3FFFA.6080509@pdslabs.net> References: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> <8CF9A2BB5834A41-12E0-1C3B2@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <8CF9A421E56A576-12E0-1D636@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <50B3FFFA.6080509@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: <8CF9A48C68521CE-12E0-1DA85@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Ah. Thanks Phil. And you as well, Mike, I did not see how you intended the function to work. Craig Newman -----Original Message----- From: Phil Davis To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 6:49 pm Subject: Re: Get the serial number of the machine put last word of shell("system_profiler SPHardwareDataType | grep 'Serial Number'") :-) Phil Davis (I don't know of a way on Win but there might be one) On 11/26/12 3:08 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote: > Mike. > > > Thanks, but I meant from a script in LC. > > > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Bonner > To: How to use LiveCode > Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:41 pm > Subject: Re: Get the serial number of the machine > > > On a mac: system_profiler SPHardwareDataType | grep "Serial Number" > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, wrote: > >> >> Is it possible to use a shell command, or whatever, to retrieve the serial >> number of the machine that LC is >> running on? Or any machine-specific designator? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Craig Newman >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Phil Davis _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Nov 26 19:17:29 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 01:17:29 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Installer Maker 1.7.14S Message-ID: <4ADF9E68-0AD3-4DF8-81E3-DE3F770B30B3@economy-x-talk.com> Dear LiveCoders, It is a pleasure to announce a new version of the standalone edition of Installer Maker. Installer Maker is a tool for users of RAD tools, which allows you to quickly wrap your software in an installer for distribution. I'm annnouncing this release separately, because I know some of you prefer the standalone edition over the plugin. Installer Maker 1.7.14S contains all bug fixes and new features that have been added to the LiveCode plug-in since the release of IM 1.7.11S. Software that is installed on Mac OS X by an installer created on Windows now has its permissions set correctly (i.e. the software will actually run) and resource forks are now included. Altogether more than 50 bug fixes and new features have been implemented. A complete list of recent changes can be found on the website at http://installermaker.economy-x-talk.com and that's where you will find downloads as well. Installer Maker Plugin 1.7.14 for LiveCode and the standalone edition Installer Maker 1.7.14S are free for anyone who bought a license after 20 September 2012. An upgrade license can be purchased for only EUR 16.95 if your license is at most 1 year old. New licenses cost EUR 39.00. Licenses can be purchased at aforementioned website. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. From bonnmike at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 21:02:55 2012 From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:02:55 -0700 Subject: Get the serial number of the machine In-Reply-To: <8CF9A48C68521CE-12E0-1DA85@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> <8CF9A2BB5834A41-12E0-1C3B2@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <8CF9A421E56A576-12E0-1D636@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <50B3FFFA.6080509@pdslabs.net> <8CF9A48C68521CE-12E0-1DA85@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yeah sorry I wasn't clear. Busy busy day so I didn't do very well with the whole completeness thing. Glad it'll work for ya. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:56 PM, wrote: > Ah. > > > Thanks Phil. > > > And you as well, Mike, I did not see how you intended the function to work. > > > > Craig Newman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Davis > To: How to use LiveCode > Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 6:49 pm > Subject: Re: Get the serial number of the machine > > > put last word of shell("system_profiler SPHardwareDataType | grep > 'Serial Number'") > > :-) > Phil Davis > > (I don't know of a way on Win but there might be one) > > > On 11/26/12 3:08 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote: > > Mike. > > > > > > Thanks, but I meant from a script in LC. > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike Bonner > > To: How to use LiveCode > > Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 4:41 pm > > Subject: Re: Get the serial number of the machine > > > > > > On a mac: system_profiler SPHardwareDataType | grep "Serial Number" > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, wrote: > > > >> > >> Is it possible to use a shell command, or whatever, to retrieve the > serial > >> number of the machine that LC is > >> running on? Or any machine-specific designator? > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> Craig Newman > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > > preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > -- > Phil Davis > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From harrison at all-auctions.com Mon Nov 26 22:02:35 2012 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:02:35 -0500 Subject: Image Color Downsizing In-Reply-To: <50B3FFFA.6080509@pdslabs.net> References: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> <8CF9A2BB5834A41-12E0-1C3B2@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <8CF9A421E56A576-12E0-1D636@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <50B3FFFA.6080509@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: <31D52FF9-9AEE-4557-9EA2-A41E9494F41B@all-auctions.com> Hi there, I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to downsize the colors of an image using LiveCode. Example: The incoming image has millions of colors, and I want the color table of the image just to use 16 colors. Any way to do this? Suggestions? Thanks, Rick From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 27 03:22:13 2012 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 00:22:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OT] the evils (?) of secure boot. In-Reply-To: References: <50B3B360.10500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1354004533741-4657642.post@n4.nabble.com> In some cases you really have to be able to boot from other media. For instance, when cloning a hard drive, which you might do for backups, but you will also have to do in the course of forensic examination of a machine so as to leave the evidence untouched. Or you may need to do serious file system repair. This is a much underrated social issue. We have taken for granted for the last 10-20 years a world in which we could do what we wanted with our machines. We are moving into a world in which various players want to control what can be installed or accessed. It comes up in a variety of contexts. You have Apple trying to prevent people installing OSX on other hardware. Then you have the desire to prevent anyone doing bad things with their iPhones, which would include installing the wrong applications. Then you have the desire to prevent people using an app because it gives access to the wrong content, which included the Kama Sutra and some political cartoons. The desire to control what mapping applications are used on the tablets. In the case of Kindle and the Nook you have a desire to prevent or at least inconvenience the use of other stores to buy books. In the case of secure boot, one way to look at it is that MS wants to own the hardware on which its OS has been installed. Anyone who cares about intellectual freedom in the digital age needs to think whether they can spend a little time to educate and lobby their competition regulators about these issues. We do need some more security on bios and booting. But we need the buyer and user to have control, not MS or Apple. Linux is the canary in the coal mine here. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-the-evils-of-secure-boot-tp4657622p4657642.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue Nov 27 09:16:46 2012 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:16:46 -0500 Subject: Image Color Downsizing In-Reply-To: <31D52FF9-9AEE-4557-9EA2-A41E9494F41B@all-auctions.com> References: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> <8CF9A2BB5834A41-12E0-1C3B2@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <8CF9A421E56A576-12E0-1D636@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <50B3FFFA.6080509@pdslabs.net> <31D52FF9-9AEE-4557-9EA2-A41E9494F41B@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: Rick, Have you checked out "export with palette" in the dictionary? It works on the palette of the image which could be set to 16 color count? export "image1" to tImage as png with 16 optimized color palette If the optimized palette form is used, then a palette with the colorCount colors will be generated that does its best to approximate all the colors present in the image. The image will be color-matched to this palette before export. If colorList is not specified, a 256 entry palette will be generated. export with palette Type: command Syntax: export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with standard palette export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with optimized palette export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with colorCount [optimized] color palette export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with palette colorList -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi there, > > I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to > downsize the colors of an image using LiveCode. > > Example: The incoming image has millions of colors, > and I want the color table of the image just to use 16 colors. > > Any way to do this? Suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Rick > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From harrison at all-auctions.com Tue Nov 27 10:19:08 2012 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:19:08 -0500 Subject: Image Color Downsizing In-Reply-To: References: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> <8CF9A2BB5834A41-12E0-1C3B2@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <8CF9A421E56A576-12E0-1D636@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <50B3FFFA.6080509@pdslabs.net> <31D52FF9-9AEE-4557-9EA2-A41E9494F41B@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: Hi Thomas, I was looking at export image late last night without much success. If one exports to a variable and then sets the imageData to the variable it comes out as a mishmash. I looked into your suggestion of "optimized" this morning and it complained about the syntax. I found out a couple of things to make it work. 1. The term optimized is in the wrong position in the dictionary. 2, Exporting to another image container instead of a variable works. If you use as the dictionary suggests: export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with colorCount [optimized] color palette so: export "image1" to tImage as png with 16 optimized color palette doesn't work. If you use: export image "Image1" to image "Image2" as png with 16 color optimized palette it works! Unfortunately according to the documentation, it won't work under iOS, so I guess it's back to the drawing board. Any other ideas? Thanks, Rick On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Rick, > > Have you checked out "export with palette" in the dictionary? It works on the palette of the image which could be set to 16 color count? > > export "image1" to tImage as png with 16 optimized color palette > > If the optimized palette form is used, then a palette with the colorCount colors will be generated that does its best to approximate all the colors present in the image. The image will be color-matched to this palette before export. If colorList is not specified, a 256 entry palette will be generated. > > > export with palette > > Type: command > > Syntax: > export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with standard palette > export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with optimized palette > export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with colorCount [optimized] color palette > export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with palette colorList > > > -- Tom McGrath III > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to >> downsize the colors of an image using LiveCode. >> >> Example: The incoming image has millions of colors, >> and I want the color table of the image just to use 16 colors. >> >> Any way to do this? Suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Rick >> From harrison at all-auctions.com Tue Nov 27 10:43:34 2012 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:43:34 -0500 Subject: Image Color Downsizing In-Reply-To: References: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> <8CF9A2BB5834A41-12E0-1C3B2@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <8CF9A421E56A576-12E0-1D636@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <50B3FFFA.6080509@pdslabs.net> <31D52FF9-9AEE-4557-9EA2-A41E9494F41B@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: Hi again Thomas, Good news! Turns out the dictionary documentation was wrong again. The export image statement actually works under iOS in the simulator just fine! Looks like someone forgot to update the dictionary for this. So, that problem has been solved! Yea!!! Thank you for your help. Rick On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > I was looking at export image late last night without much success. > > If one exports to a variable and then sets the imageData to the variable > it comes out as a mishmash. > > I looked into your suggestion of "optimized" this morning and it complained > about the syntax. I found out a couple of things to make it work. > > 1. The term optimized is in the wrong position in the dictionary. > > 2, Exporting to another image container instead of a variable works. > > If you use as the dictionary suggests: > > export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with colorCount [optimized] color palette > > so: > > export "image1" to tImage as png with 16 optimized color palette > > doesn't work. > > If you use: > > export image "Image1" to image "Image2" as png with 16 color optimized palette > > it works! > > Unfortunately according to the documentation, it won't work under iOS, so I guess > it's back to the drawing board. > > Any other ideas? > > Thanks, > > Rick > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> Rick, >> >> Have you checked out "export with palette" in the dictionary? It works on the palette of the image which could be set to 16 color count? >> >> export "image1" to tImage as png with 16 optimized color palette >> >> If the optimized palette form is used, then a palette with the colorCount colors will be generated that does its best to approximate all the colors present in the image. The image will be color-matched to this palette before export. If colorList is not specified, a 256 entry palette will be generated. >> >> >> export with palette >> >> Type: command >> >> Syntax: >> export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with standard palette >> export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with optimized palette >> export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with colorCount [optimized] color palette >> export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with palette colorList >> >> >> -- Tom McGrath III >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> 3mcgrath at comcast.net >> >> On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: >> >>> Hi there, >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to >>> downsize the colors of an image using LiveCode. >>> >>> Example: The incoming image has millions of colors, >>> and I want the color table of the image just to use 16 colors. >>> >>> Any way to do this? Suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Rick >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode __________________________________ Rick Harrison You can buy my $10 music album "Funny Time Machine" digital CD on the iTunes Store Now! To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD please click on the following link. (Please note you must have iTunes installed on your computer for this link to work.) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=213668290 From slylabs13 at me.com Tue Nov 27 12:43:20 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 07:43:20 -1000 Subject: [OT] the evils (?) of secure boot. In-Reply-To: <1354004533741-4657642.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <50B3B360.10500@gmail.com> <1354004533741-4657642.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <197764D4-2C4C-4755-837D-5ACC164B0654@me.com> Agreed. On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:22 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > Anyone who cares about intellectual freedom in the digital age needs to > think whether they can spend a little time to educate and lobby their > competition regulators about these issues. We do need some more security on > bios and booting. But we need the buyer and user to have control, not MS or > Apple. Linux is the canary in the coal mine here. From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Nov 27 13:52:07 2012 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 13:52:07 -0500 Subject: Bluetooth Message-ID: Has anybody done any bluetoothing with LC, especially on mobile? I have an idea... -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Nov 27 14:34:46 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 06:34:46 +1100 Subject: Bluetooth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C32A8F7-54D9-413C-B517-B6F99DF36699@sweattechnologies.com> mergAccessory does Bluetooth and plugged in made for iPhone accessories. The example in the demo is printing to a mini Bluetooth printer. There's also the Core Bluetooth framework which I haven't looked at. I believe that's for using Bluetooth devices that may not be made for iPhone... Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 28/11/2012, at 5:52 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > Has anybody done any bluetoothing with LC, especially on mobile? I have an > idea... From paul at researchware.com Tue Nov 27 15:07:00 2012 From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:07:00 -0500 Subject: Weird string comparison problem... In-Reply-To: <97CA44AD-D57B-421C-AB97-2A845D6328D1@major.on-rev.com> References: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> <97CA44AD-D57B-421C-AB97-2A845D6328D1@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <50B51D64.3090805@researchware.com> Using LC 5.0.2, I have a really weird string comparison error occurring. The following code: put length(tActualSourceName),length(tExpectedSourceName)&cr after msg repeat with i=1 to the number of characters in tActualSourceName if char i of tActualSourceName is not char i of tExpectedSourceName then put i,char i of tActualSourceName,"<>",char i of tExpectedSourceName&cr after msg else put i,char i of tActualSourceName,"==",char i of tExpectedSourceName&cr after msg end if end repeat put (tActualSourceName = tExpectedSouceName) after msg Produces the following message window output: 13,13 1,l,==,l 2,a,==,a 3,t,==,t 4,i,==,i 5,n,==,n 6,t,==,t 7,e,==,e 8,x,==,x 9,t,==,t 10,.,==,. 11,r,==,r 12,t,==,t 13,f,==,f false So, if the strings are the same length and every character tests equal, then how come the strings do not equal one another??? Anybody have any idea??? And, yes, I did try "is" insread of "=" and "<>" instead of "is not" and since the operators should be interchangeable, it made no difference. -- Paul Dupuis Cofounder Researchware, Inc. http://www.researchware.com/ http://www.twitter.com/researchware http://www.facebook.com/researchware http://www.linkedin.com/company/researchware-inc From slylabs13 at me.com Tue Nov 27 15:14:24 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:14:24 -1000 Subject: Weird string comparison problem... In-Reply-To: <50B51D64.3090805@researchware.com> References: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> <97CA44AD-D57B-421C-AB97-2A845D6328D1@major.on-rev.com> <50B51D64.3090805@researchware.com> Message-ID: Because you misspelled tExpectedSourceName Bob On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Paul Dupuis wrote: > put (tActualSourceName = tExpectedSouceName) after msg From slylabs13 at me.com Tue Nov 27 15:15:46 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:15:46 -1000 Subject: Weird string comparison problem... In-Reply-To: <50B51D64.3090805@researchware.com> References: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> <97CA44AD-D57B-421C-AB97-2A845D6328D1@major.on-rev.com> <50B51D64.3090805@researchware.com> Message-ID: <1E34A3E2-D46E-4DA1-ACF1-CBAA2DB4F40A@me.com> BTW GLX2 would have helped here with it's clairvoyance feature. Remo also has this feature. Very handy to have GLX2 or Remo complete your variable and command/function names for you. Bob On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Paul Dupuis wrote: > put (tActualSourceName = tExpectedSouceName) after msg From paul at researchware.com Tue Nov 27 15:23:59 2012 From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:23:59 -0500 Subject: Weird string comparison problem... In-Reply-To: <1E34A3E2-D46E-4DA1-ACF1-CBAA2DB4F40A@me.com> References: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> <97CA44AD-D57B-421C-AB97-2A845D6328D1@major.on-rev.com> <50B51D64.3090805@researchware.com> <1E34A3E2-D46E-4DA1-ACF1-CBAA2DB4F40A@me.com> Message-ID: <50B5215F.7050800@researchware.com> Bob, Thank you. I clearly need a new set of eyes! On 11/27/2012 3:15 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > BTW GLX2 would have helped here with it's clairvoyance feature. Remo also has this feature. Very handy to have GLX2 or Remo complete your variable and command/function names for you. > > Bob > > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Paul Dupuis wrote: > >> put (tActualSourceName = tExpectedSouceName) after msg > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Paul Dupuis Cofounder Researchware, Inc. http://www.researchware.com/ http://www.twitter.com/researchware http://www.facebook.com/researchware http://www.linkedin.com/company/researchware-inc From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Tue Nov 27 16:03:30 2012 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:03:30 -0500 Subject: Bluetooth In-Reply-To: <5C32A8F7-54D9-413C-B517-B6F99DF36699@sweattechnologies.com> References: <5C32A8F7-54D9-413C-B517-B6F99DF36699@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: I saw in MA that I had to specify the protocol - what does one do when one needs to have a custom protocol, or one is not sure what it is? Are you saying in that case that one would have to use the Core Bluetooth framework? If so I may be asking for a quote... On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > mergAccessory does Bluetooth and plugged in made for iPhone accessories. > The example in the demo is printing to a mini Bluetooth printer. > > There's also the Core Bluetooth framework which I haven't looked at. I > believe that's for using Bluetooth devices that may not be made for > iPhone... > > Cheers > > -- > M E R Goulding > Software development services > > mergExt - There's an external for that! > > On 28/11/2012, at 5:52 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > > > Has anybody done any bluetoothing with LC, especially on mobile? I have > an > > idea... > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Nov 27 16:08:15 2012 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:08:15 +1100 Subject: Bluetooth In-Reply-To: References: <5C32A8F7-54D9-413C-B517-B6F99DF36699@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: You should be able to get the protocol docs from the manufacturer if its a made for iPhone accessory. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 28/11/2012, at 8:03 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > I saw in MA that I had to specify the protocol - what does one do when one > needs to have a custom protocol, or one is not sure what it is? Are you > saying in that case that one would have to use the Core Bluetooth > framework? If so I may be asking for a quote... > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Monte Goulding > wrote: > >> mergAccessory does Bluetooth and plugged in made for iPhone accessories. >> The example in the demo is printing to a mini Bluetooth printer. >> >> There's also the Core Bluetooth framework which I haven't looked at. I >> believe that's for using Bluetooth devices that may not be made for >> iPhone... >> >> Cheers >> >> -- >> M E R Goulding >> Software development services >> >> mergExt - There's an external for that! >> >> On 28/11/2012, at 5:52 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: >> >>> Has anybody done any bluetoothing with LC, especially on mobile? I have >> an >>> idea... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Nov 27 16:42:59 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 22:42:59 +0100 Subject: Weird string comparison problem... In-Reply-To: <50B51D64.3090805@researchware.com> References: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> <97CA44AD-D57B-421C-AB97-2A845D6328D1@major.on-rev.com> <50B51D64.3090805@researchware.com> Message-ID: <33D97E7C-AAC9-4C61-AD4F-A00E892F3A5A@economy-x-talk.com> Paul, Because in the last line you're writing tExpectedSouceName instead of tExpectedSourceName. An "r" is missing. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 27 nov 2012, at 21:07, Paul Dupuis wrote: > Using LC 5.0.2, I have a really weird string comparison error occurring. > > The following code: > put length(tActualSourceName),length(tExpectedSourceName)&cr after msg > repeat with i=1 to the number of characters in tActualSourceName > if char i of tActualSourceName is not char i of > tExpectedSourceName then > put i,char i of tActualSourceName,"<>",char i of > tExpectedSourceName&cr after msg > else > put i,char i of tActualSourceName,"==",char i of > tExpectedSourceName&cr after msg > end if > end repeat > put (tActualSourceName = tExpectedSouceName) after msg > > Produces the following message window output: > 13,13 > 1,l,==,l > 2,a,==,a > 3,t,==,t > 4,i,==,i > 5,n,==,n > 6,t,==,t > 7,e,==,e > 8,x,==,x > 9,t,==,t > 10,.,==,. > 11,r,==,r > 12,t,==,t > 13,f,==,f > false > > So, if the strings are the same length and every character tests equal, > then how come the strings do not equal one another??? Anybody have any > idea??? > And, yes, I did try "is" insread of "=" and "<>" instead of "is not" and > since the operators should be interchangeable, it made no difference. From benr_mc at cogapp.com Tue Nov 27 16:54:12 2012 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:54:12 +0000 Subject: Weird string comparison problem... In-Reply-To: <50B5215F.7050800@researchware.com> References: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> <97CA44AD-D57B-421C-AB97-2A845D6328D1@major.on-rev.com> <50B51D64.3090805@researchware.com> <1E34A3E2-D46E-4DA1-ACF1-CBAA2DB4F40A@me.com> <50B5215F.7050800@researchware.com> Message-ID: <50B53684.80200@cogapp.com> On 27/11/2012 20:23, Paul Dupuis wrote: > Bob, Thank you. I clearly need a new set of eyes! I'm very impressed with Bob's eyes - I certainly couldn't see it! But this sort of thing is exactly why I like explicitVars/Variable Checking/Strict Compilation Mode (LiveCode's confusing three names for the same thing applied in subtly different ways). Ben From slylabs13 at me.com Tue Nov 27 17:03:18 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:03:18 -1000 Subject: Weird string comparison problem... In-Reply-To: <50B53684.80200@cogapp.com> References: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> <97CA44AD-D57B-421C-AB97-2A845D6328D1@major.on-rev.com> <50B51D64.3090805@researchware.com> <1E34A3E2-D46E-4DA1-ACF1-CBAA2DB4F40A@me.com> <50B5215F.7050800@researchware.com> <50B53684.80200@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <20128C1D-CAD9-49B5-9E0D-7B117E185656@me.com> I didn't use my eyes, I used logic. I thought I would try something new. ;-) But seriously, after looking at the output of the first part of the script it was easy to determine that all that was functioning as expected, so the only thing left was his content comparison. Something had to be wrong there. Otherwise, LC was borked, hosed, and otherwise run by gremlins, none of which my psyche was able to formulate. Bob On Nov 27, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > On 27/11/2012 20:23, Paul Dupuis wrote: >> Bob, Thank you. I clearly need a new set of eyes! > > I'm very impressed with Bob's eyes - I certainly couldn't see it! > > But this sort of thing is exactly why I like explicitVars/Variable Checking/Strict Compilation Mode (LiveCode's confusing three names for the same thing applied in subtly different ways). > > Ben > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Tue Nov 27 17:46:17 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:46:17 -0800 Subject: Weird string comparison problem... In-Reply-To: <50B53684.80200@cogapp.com> References: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> <97CA44AD-D57B-421C-AB97-2A845D6328D1@major.on-rev.com> <50B51D64.3090805@researchware.com> <1E34A3E2-D46E-4DA1-ACF1-CBAA2DB4F40A@me.com> <50B5215F.7050800@researchware.com> <50B53684.80200@cogapp.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > But this sort of thing is exactly why I like explicitVars/Variable > Checking/Strict Compilation Mode (LiveCode's confusing three names for the > same thing applied in subtly different ways). +1 Pete From pmbrig at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 18:25:01 2012 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:25:01 -0500 Subject: Weird string comparison problem... In-Reply-To: References: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> <97CA44AD-D57B-421C-AB97-2A845D6328D1@major.on-rev.com> <50B51D64.3090805@researchware.com> <1E34A3E2-D46E-4DA1-ACF1-CBAA2DB4F40A@me.com> <50B5215F.7050800@researchware.com> <50B53684.80200@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <232C9A61-9599-4849-97EF-53711BB36451@gmail.com> I just use Jacque's scriptpaint (see previous thread), now apparently built into lcStackBrowser. No more typos for variable names. Love it. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Nov 27, 2012, at 5:46 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > >> But this sort of thing is exactly why I like explicitVars/Variable >> Checking/Strict Compilation Mode (LiveCode's confusing three names for the >> same thing applied in subtly different ways). > > > +1 > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 20:45:56 2012 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:45:56 +0800 Subject: Weird string comparison problem... In-Reply-To: <50B53684.80200@cogapp.com> References: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> <97CA44AD-D57B-421C-AB97-2A845D6328D1@major.on-rev.com> <50B51D64.3090805@researchware.com> <1E34A3E2-D46E-4DA1-ACF1-CBAA2DB4F40A@me.com> <50B5215F.7050800@researchware.com> <50B53684.80200@cogapp.com> Message-ID: I know everyone has their preference, and at the moment I'm trying to ween myself onto explicitVars for a big project, but I have never understood the argument that you can't *see* these spelling errors. As soon as a script doesn't behave, in goes a breakpoint, and you stop inside the script and 'if' you have the Variables Pane of the script editor open, all the variables are listed alphabetically. So it's quite clear: tExpectdSourceName tExpetedSourceName tExpectedSouceName tExpectedSourceName As soon as you have duplicated variable names you know one of them is misspelt. They stick out like the proverbial... Now again, I don't wish to argue whether it is quicker to spend the time beforehand declaring variables so the IDE has you covered for typos you don't even make, or whether you don't bother with explicitVars and instead, every time you are debugging code you just look for duplicated variable names of typos you actually do make. To me it's 6 to 1, half a dozen to the other. As Robert pointed out, the free GLX2 and it's clairvoyance, typos are virtually eliminated, so the major argument for explicitVars is nulled - for anyone allergic to explicitVars you should really look at GLX2. If you don't wish to use a 3rd Party product, misspelt variable names are extremely obvious in the Variables Pane and can quickly be corrected with Find and Replace Dialog box. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > On 27/11/2012 20:23, Paul Dupuis wrote: > >> Bob, Thank you. I clearly need a new set of eyes! >> > > I'm very impressed with Bob's eyes - I certainly couldn't see it! > > But this sort of thing is exactly why I like explicitVars/Variable > Checking/Strict Compilation Mode (LiveCode's confusing three names for the > same thing applied in subtly different ways). > > Ben > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From slylabs13 at me.com Tue Nov 27 21:20:34 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:20:34 -1000 Subject: Weird string comparison problem... In-Reply-To: References: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> <97CA44AD-D57B-421C-AB97-2A845D6328D1@major.on-rev.com> <50B51D64.3090805@researchware.com> <1E34A3E2-D46E-4DA1-ACF1-CBAA2DB4F40A@me.com> <50B5215F.7050800@researchware.com> <50B53684.80200@cogapp.com> Message-ID: Alternately you can "put the variableNames" at the end of a misbehaving script to see if there are similarly spelled variables. One leg is both the same. The salient point here is that there are lots of ways to skin this cat. Part of the skillset of debugging is to develop ways to reveal different kinds of problems. I find frustration is my worst enemy when trying to debug a difficult bit of code. Taking a deep breath and going about things systematically helps me a lot. Bob On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > I know everyone has their preference, and at the moment I'm trying to ween > myself onto explicitVars for a big project, but I have never understood the > argument that you can't *see* these spelling errors. As soon as a script > doesn't behave, in goes a breakpoint, and you stop inside the script and > 'if' you have the Variables Pane of the script editor open, all the > variables are listed alphabetically. So it's quite clear: > > tExpectdSourceName > tExpetedSourceName > tExpectedSouceName > tExpectedSourceName > > As soon as you have duplicated variable names you know one of them is > misspelt. They stick out like the proverbial... > > Now again, I don't wish to argue whether it is quicker to spend the time > beforehand declaring variables so the IDE has you covered for typos you > don't even make, or whether you don't bother with explicitVars and instead, > every time you are debugging code you just look for duplicated variable > names of typos you actually do make. To me it's 6 to 1, half a dozen to the > other. > > As Robert pointed out, the free GLX2 and it's clairvoyance, typos are > virtually eliminated, so the major argument for explicitVars is nulled - > for anyone allergic to explicitVars you should really look at GLX2. > > If you don't wish to use a 3rd Party product, misspelt variable names are > extremely obvious in the Variables Pane and can quickly be corrected with > Find and Replace Dialog box. > > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > >> On 27/11/2012 20:23, Paul Dupuis wrote: >> >>> Bob, Thank you. I clearly need a new set of eyes! >>> >> >> I'm very impressed with Bob's eyes - I certainly couldn't see it! >> >> But this sort of thing is exactly why I like explicitVars/Variable >> Checking/Strict Compilation Mode (LiveCode's confusing three names for the >> same thing applied in subtly different ways). >> >> Ben >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 21:51:04 2012 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:51:04 +0800 Subject: [OT] WWII code 'may never be cracked' In-Reply-To: <4D4A7029-E90A-4B7C-853C-D45730A0B122@me.com> References: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> <50B0788A.8090605@gmail.com> <4D4A7029-E90A-4B7C-853C-D45730A0B122@me.com> Message-ID: Ah, so that's what happened to the pigeon with the back-up written order. The first and last designators (OKAKN) simply indicate the beginning and the end of the message. It was a way of ensuring entire messages were received. The 27 is the character count, including the start and stop indicators - to ensure if you had 4 halves of a message you put the correct halves together. The message was sent at 1525 on the 6th. Pigeons normally took less than a day to deliver from Germany to the UK so you knew what month and year it was. Each 5 digits represents a letter and the codes rotate so the same code never represented the same letter. The date and time was important to know so you knew which code sequence to start at. To further encode the message and speed up the process there are no spaces, punctuation or vowels, unless they appeared in pairs in the original message, in which case only the first vowel would be included unless the end of one word ended in a vowel and the start of the next word started with a vowel; in which case both vowels were included. The message is: sndrenfrcmntswrgngtoadvnc Poor sods, if only the pigeon had got through disaster would have been averted. [Pity it isn't the beginning of April, this would have been so much better. Decoding messages is easy when you can't prove what the orginal said and you can write the rules yourself.] Tongue in cheek aside, my grandfather was responsible for carrier pigeons during WW2, and he kept racing pigeons for many many years after. For those who don't know, a carrier pigeon is faster than broadband Internet: http://phys.org/news171883994.html I just wish my grandfather had been around to witness it, he would have been chuffed. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 22:05:34 2012 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:05:34 +0800 Subject: Weird string comparison problem... In-Reply-To: References: <50ABEB6F.4040803@pdslabs.net> <50ABEC9E.30601@fourthworld.com> <97CA44AD-D57B-421C-AB97-2A845D6328D1@major.on-rev.com> <50B51D64.3090805@researchware.com> <1E34A3E2-D46E-4DA1-ACF1-CBAA2DB4F40A@me.com> <50B5215F.7050800@researchware.com> <50B53684.80200@cogapp.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > I find frustration is my worst enemy when trying to debug a difficult bit > of code. Taking a deep breath and going about things systematically helps > me a lot. > > Absolutely. Whether explicitVars is Off or On, typos are the least of my worries. I spend inordinate amounts of time trying to interpret the illogical gibberish the moron at the desk has remarklessly typed into the Script Editor. I script with a team of 1 ;-( From dochawk at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 22:13:36 2012 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:13:36 -0800 Subject: [OT] WWII code 'may never be cracked' In-Reply-To: References: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> <50B0788A.8090605@gmail.com> <4D4A7029-E90A-4B7C-853C-D45730A0B122@me.com> Message-ID: On Tuesday, November 27, 2012, Kay C Lan wrote: > > Each 5 digits represents a letter and the codes rotate so the same code > never represented the same letter. > "never" or "probably doesn't" ? The former would lead to the same hole by which the German machines were cracked--a letter o UD never map to itself. -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Nov 27 22:20:19 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:20:19 -0600 Subject: [OT] WWII code 'may never be cracked' In-Reply-To: References: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> <50B0788A.8090605@gmail.com> <4D4A7029-E90A-4B7C-853C-D45730A0B122@me.com> Message-ID: <50B582F3.6090000@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/27/12 8:51 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > [Pity it isn't the beginning of April, this would have been so much better. > Decoding messages is easy when you can't prove what the orginal said and > you can write the rules yourself.] Smarty pants. You should have waited till April 1 and THEN posted, telling everyone it took you four months to decipher the code. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From slylabs13 at me.com Tue Nov 27 22:22:51 2012 From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:22:51 -1000 Subject: [OT] WWII code 'may never be cracked' In-Reply-To: References: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> <50B0788A.8090605@gmail.com> <4D4A7029-E90A-4B7C-853C-D45730A0B122@me.com> Message-ID: <329E2F8A-1F5F-431D-B835-D57419A95F3F@me.com> Tossing a large book over the fence to your neighbor is faster still, although somewhat limited in range. ;-) Bob On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > For those > who don't know, a carrier pigeon is faster than broadband Internet: > > http://phys.org/news171883994.html From robin-wack at ai-it.de Wed Nov 28 02:54:02 2012 From: robin-wack at ai-it.de (Nibor) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:54:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Database Insert Message-ID: <1354089242310-4657669.post@n4.nabble.com> Hello, I have a problem. I want to insert two things into my database with the same "mouseUp" instruction. The problem is that LiveCode only delivers the first part and ignores the second part. Can someone maybe help me with this ? I don't see what I did wrong.. Here's the code ______________________ global gDB on mouseUp put field "fiuserid" into t1 put field "finame" into t2 put field "fiuser" into t3 put field "fipw" into t4 put "INSERT INTO [xxxxx].[xxxxx].[xxxxxx] (UserID,Name," && \ "Benutzername,Passwort)" && \ "VALUES (" & \ ":1, :2, :3, :4)" into tSQL revExecuteSQL gDB, tSQL, "t1","t2","t3","t4" put the result into tRS put field "fiuserid" into t1 put field "figrp" into t2 put "INSERT INTO [xxxxx].[xxxxx].[xxxxxx](UserID,Gruppen)" && \ "VALUES (" & \ ":1, :2)" into tSQL revExecuteSQL gDB,tSQL, "t1","t2" put the result into tRS end mouseUp ______________________________ One thing to make it clear the second insert goes to another table as the first one. If I put the second half of the code into an extra button it works.. But I want the whole thing in one button. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Database-Insert-tp4657669.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Nov 28 03:05:07 2012 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:05:07 +0800 Subject: ANN: ExplicitProperties plugin available In-Reply-To: <50AAC65C.4030007@tweedly.net> References: <50AAC65C.4030007@tweedly.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > > Any or all feedback welcome. > > I notice that if I use -- as the Remarks delimiter everything is fine, but if I use /* The purpose of this handler is... ... */ These Remarks are caught by your plugin as a custom prop. From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Nov 28 04:36:22 2012 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:36:22 +0100 Subject: how to set the imagedata to a resized img? Message-ID: <001501cdcd4b$d48e0190$7daa04b0$@de> Hi, I have a source image, which I want to put into a smaller target image, lets say a thumbnail. When having locked the size of the target, it keeps small. But the image data in the small thumbnail does still have the dimensions of the source image. So when taking the thumbnail image or its text and creating a third image, I get again the dimensions of the first source image and have to resize it, if I want to have the thumbnail size. Can I reduce the imagedata to the rect of an image? Or do I always have to handle only with the image size? Thanks Tiemo From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Nov 28 05:18:31 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:18:31 +0100 Subject: Database Insert In-Reply-To: <1354089242310-4657669.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1354089242310-4657669.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <415BD96B-7055-4B60-BA6C-E5459A91D362@economy-x-talk.com> Hi, What is stored in tRS? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 28 nov 2012, at 08:54, Nibor wrote: > Hello, > I have a problem. I want to insert two things into my database with the same > "mouseUp" instruction. > The problem is that LiveCode only delivers the first part and ignores the > second part. > Can someone maybe help me with this ? I don't see what I did wrong.. > > Here's the code > ______________________ > global gDB > on mouseUp > put field "fiuserid" into t1 > put field "finame" into t2 > put field "fiuser" into t3 > put field "fipw" into t4 > put "INSERT INTO [xxxxx].[xxxxx].[xxxxxx] (UserID,Name," && \ > "Benutzername,Passwort)" && \ > "VALUES (" & \ > ":1, :2, :3, :4)" into tSQL > revExecuteSQL gDB, tSQL, "t1","t2","t3","t4" > put the result into tRS > put field "fiuserid" into t1 > put field "figrp" into t2 > put "INSERT INTO [xxxxx].[xxxxx].[xxxxxx](UserID,Gruppen)" && \ > "VALUES (" & \ > ":1, :2)" into tSQL > revExecuteSQL gDB,tSQL, "t1","t2" > put the result into tRS > end mouseUp > ______________________________ > One thing to make it clear the second insert goes to another table as the > first one. > If I put the second half of the code into an extra button it works.. > But I want the whole thing in one button. From robin-wack at ai-it.de Wed Nov 28 05:26:36 2012 From: robin-wack at ai-it.de (Nibor) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 02:26:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Database Insert In-Reply-To: <415BD96B-7055-4B60-BA6C-E5459A91D362@economy-x-talk.com> References: <1354089242310-4657669.post@n4.nabble.com> <415BD96B-7055-4B60-BA6C-E5459A91D362@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <1354098396210-4657673.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi, in tRS is the result. It's the number 1. I put it in tRS because I want to double check if everything is working as intended. That's the code if tRS is 1 then answer information "Data was successfully stored." else answer error "ERROR: Database error: " && tRS end if The tRS at the end gives me the exact error message. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Database-Insert-tp4657669p4657673.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Nov 28 05:31:53 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:31:53 +0100 Subject: Database Insert In-Reply-To: <1354098396210-4657673.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1354089242310-4657669.post@n4.nabble.com> <415BD96B-7055-4B60-BA6C-E5459A91D362@economy-x-talk.com> <1354098396210-4657673.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1051C0FD-DA96-45E8-AAEA-CE5BA1E90DD6@economy-x-talk.com> What is the error message?! -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 28 nov 2012, at 11:26, Nibor wrote: > Hi, > in tRS is the result. It's the number 1. > I put it in tRS because I want to double check if everything is working as > intended. > That's the code > > if tRS is 1 then > answer information "Data was successfully stored." > else > answer error "ERROR: Database error: " && tRS > end if > > The tRS at the end gives me the exact error message. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Database-Insert-tp4657669p4657673.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From robin-wack at ai-it.de Wed Nov 28 05:43:00 2012 From: robin-wack at ai-it.de (Nibor) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 02:43:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Database Insert In-Reply-To: <1051C0FD-DA96-45E8-AAEA-CE5BA1E90DD6@economy-x-talk.com> References: <1354089242310-4657669.post@n4.nabble.com> <415BD96B-7055-4B60-BA6C-E5459A91D362@economy-x-talk.com> <1354098396210-4657673.post@n4.nabble.com> <1051C0FD-DA96-45E8-AAEA-CE5BA1E90DD6@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <1354099380271-4657675.post@n4.nabble.com> I just restarted my computer and now I've checked it again. I works.. I don't know what the problem was, but it seems solved because tRS says 1 so everything is fine and the data is stored into my database. I checked the database to be sure but everything was there. Thank you for your help -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Database-Insert-tp4657669p4657675.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Nov 28 05:47:24 2012 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:47:24 +0100 Subject: how to set the imagedata to a resized img? In-Reply-To: <001501cdcd4b$d48e0190$7daa04b0$@de> References: <001501cdcd4b$d48e0190$7daa04b0$@de> Message-ID: <36FC821E-D383-4BA7-8C0C-41E5A9D3E9EB@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Tiemo, It isn't entirely clear whether you're using imagedata or text. Imagedata always has the dimensions of the image you're retrieving the image data from and never the dimensions of another image, but the text always has the dimensions of the original source. You can create a smaller version of the imagedata by setting the text of an image to the original picture data, resizing that image and getting the imagedata from it. It is important that you set the imagedata first and resize the image afterwards. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote. On 28 nov 2012, at 10:36, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hi, > > I have a source image, which I want to put into a smaller target image, lets > say a thumbnail. When having locked the size of the target, it keeps small. > But the image data in the small thumbnail does still have the dimensions of > the source image. So when taking the thumbnail image or its text and > creating a third image, I get again the dimensions of the first source image > and have to resize it, if I want to have the thumbnail size. > > Can I reduce the imagedata to the rect of an image? Or do I always have to > handle only with the image size? > > Thanks > > Tiemo From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com Wed Nov 28 05:51:08 2012 From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:51:08 +0100 Subject: Android 4, post problem in detail In-Reply-To: References: <760C333F-4841-429E-A134-72577CCDF7A8@sys.wakayama-u.ac.jp> <5D20FF0B-4383-41B6-B41E-67EC9E047B53@sahores-conseil.com> <562EE141-C794-471A-9B72-800A55127456@sahores-conseil.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Using LC 5.3.3 I am trying to deploy an app to Android 4 too. However, the Post command "post tData to url tMyUrl " does not work in my Nexus 7 Any solution? All the best Paolo Mazza From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Nov 28 06:07:57 2012 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:07:57 +0100 Subject: AW: how to set the imagedata to a resized img? In-Reply-To: <36FC821E-D383-4BA7-8C0C-41E5A9D3E9EB@economy-x-talk.com> References: <001501cdcd4b$d48e0190$7daa04b0$@de> <36FC821E-D383-4BA7-8C0C-41E5A9D3E9EB@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <001a01cdcd58$a0757200$e1605600$@de> Thanks for the hint Mark Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im > Auftrag von Mark Schonewille > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. November 2012 11:47 > An: How to use LiveCode > Betreff: Re: how to set the imagedata to a resized img? > > Hi Tiemo, > > It isn't entirely clear whether you're using imagedata or text. Imagedata > always has the dimensions of the image you're retrieving the image data > from and never the dimensions of another image, but the text always has > the dimensions of the original source. > > You can create a smaller version of the imagedata by setting the text of > an image to the original picture data, resizing that image and getting the > imagedata from it. It is important that you set the imagedata first and > resize the image afterwards. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour > spaces. http://www.color-converter.com > > We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a > quote. > > > > > On 28 nov 2012, at 10:36, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I have a source image, which I want to put into a smaller target > > image, lets say a thumbnail. When having locked the size of the target, > it keeps small. > > But the image data in the small thumbnail does still have the > > dimensions of the source image. So when taking the thumbnail image or > > its text and creating a third image, I get again the dimensions of the > > first source image and have to resize it, if I want to have the > thumbnail size. > > > > Can I reduce the imagedata to the rect of an image? Or do I always > > have to handle only with the image size? > > > > Thanks > > > > Tiemo > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From alex at tweedly.net Wed Nov 28 09:53:41 2012 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:53:41 +0000 Subject: ANN: ExplicitProperties plugin available In-Reply-To: References: <50AAC65C.4030007@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <50B62575.5040904@tweedly.net> That's true - and it's also the same for single line comments, e.g. -- this a comment that shows the problem will foolishly think that "problem" is a property. I'll have a new version out this week to clean up those two, and (once I figure out how to do it), handle DataGrid properties somewhat better. Thanks for the feedback ... -- Alex. On 28/11/2012 08:05, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > >> Any or all feedback welcome. >> >> I notice that if I use -- as the Remarks delimiter everything is fine, but > if I use > /* > The purpose of this handler is... > ... > */ > These Remarks are caught by your plugin as a custom prop. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From andrew at ctech.me Wed Nov 28 10:33:56 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:33:56 -0600 Subject: Date Calculation Message-ID: Hey Ya'll, I thought I had this figured out but I don't and I am not sure where to go from here. I want to retreive the date for the monday and the sunday of the current week. For instance, if it were today 11/28/2012 then I would want to return 11/26/2012 and 12/2/2012 . I was trying to leverage Sara R's Date & Time library, but even with all those lovely functions I still can't get what I am after. I know there has to be a simpler way of doing this than the broken mess I was coming up with. How would you tackle this problem? -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From devin_asay at byu.edu Wed Nov 28 11:03:32 2012 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:03:32 +0000 Subject: Date Calculation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> On Nov 28, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Hey Ya'll, > > I thought I had this figured out but I don't and I am not sure where > to go from here. > > I want to retreive the date for the monday and the sunday of the current week. > > For instance, if it were today 11/28/2012 then I would want to return > 11/26/2012 and 12/2/2012 . I was trying to leverage Sara R's Date & > Time library, but even with all those lovely functions I still can't > get what I am after. I know there has to be a simpler way of doing > this than the broken mess I was coming up with. How would you tackle > this problem? Andrew, Convert the date to date items, then using the last item (numeric day of the week), calculate how many days between today and the preceding Monday and the following Sunday. Once you have that, just add (or subtract) the difference to item 3 of the date items, then reconvert to the date. The convert command will adjust everything properly in the case of transitions between months and years. If you can't figure it out, let me know and I'll dig through some code where I had to do this and post it. HTH Devin Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University From cmsheffield at icloud.com Wed Nov 28 12:01:08 2012 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:01:08 -0700 Subject: iOS: cancel in-progress download Message-ID: <1D3D3533-92E3-46A2-B80C-F974AC3B1098@icloud.com> This is somewhat related to making in-app purchases, but I need a good (proper) way to cancel a download that's in progress. Is there a way? I'm using libUrlDownloadToFile for downloading, and the urlProgress message to track progress. I found the unload url command in the dictionary, but this doesn't seem to work. In fact, the dictionary states it's not even supported under iOS. Is there anything I can do? Thanks, Chris -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally, Inc. www.readnaturally.com From brahma at hindu.org Wed Nov 28 12:15:20 2012 From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:15:20 -1000 Subject: Looking for Header Column Control Message-ID: <50B646A8.2050107@hindu.org> Before I cook up my own, I'm looking for a header control that will allow dynamic resizing of columns in a field with tab stops and vertical grid on. I tried Chip's altFldHeader but it has the limitation of being tied to the stack/card width, so if you have a field with many columns that need to allow data to be viewed: date, 1st name, last name,addressa, address2, city,state,zip,country, plus phone email CC# and even more -- you need to set the field to be scrollable horizontally and the header needs to flow left and right along with the field. All of altFldHeader actions are tied to stack re-size and all the buttons for the columns out of view on the right try to fit themselves in the card width and it breaks. I'm not looking for a lot of bells and whistles so I don't want to go with the data grid, I'm so used to processing columnar lists all these years I hardly ever get to a point where I feel the need to use the data grid as most use cases for raw "in-house" data processing don't require it. I'm an old "tab delimited" man Brahmanathaswami Kauai Aadheenam From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 28 13:04:31 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:04:31 -0600 Subject: Looking for Header Column Control In-Reply-To: <50B646A8.2050107@hindu.org> References: <50B646A8.2050107@hindu.org> Message-ID: <50B6522F.7090303@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/28/12 11:15 AM, Brahmanathaswami wrote: > Before I cook up my own, I'm looking for a header control that will > allow dynamic resizing of columns in a field with tab stops and vertical > grid on. > > I tried Chip's altFldHeader but it has the limitation of being tied to > the stack/card width, so if you have a field with many columns that need > to allow data to be viewed: date, 1st name, last name,addressa, > address2, city,state,zip,country, plus phone email CC# and even more -- > you need to set the field to be scrollable horizontally and the header > needs to flow left and right along with the field. This sounds like a good candidate for the new field properties. Make the first line of the field the header. Set its backgroundcolor, and if you want, add some spaceabove and spacebelow. Add a borderwidth if you want, or a textstyle. See the release notes for all the cool new paragraph features you can use. Basically almost all the field-level properties we have can now be applied to individual lines. That's all you'd need to do. The tabstops will inherit from the field and everything will scroll normally because it's all one block of text. The only change you'd need to make would be to remove the first line of text in your scripts before processing any content. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Nov 28 13:52:56 2012 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:52:56 -0800 Subject: iOS: cancel in-progress download In-Reply-To: <1D3D3533-92E3-46A2-B80C-F974AC3B1098@icloud.com> References: <1D3D3533-92E3-46A2-B80C-F974AC3B1098@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1DBB19DB-425C-4D25-BB32-D15795CFAEE2@tactilemedia.com> The docs say libUrlDownloadToFile is blocking. Not sure if this is the case, but is it possible to try something (brute force) like resetAll? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > This is somewhat related to making in-app purchases, but I need a good (proper) way to cancel a download that's in progress. Is there a way? I'm using > libUrlDownloadToFile for downloading, and the urlProgress message to track progress. I found the unload url command in the dictionary, but this doesn't seem to work. In fact, the dictionary states it's not even supported under iOS. > > Is there anything I can do? > > Thanks, > Chris > > > -- > Chris Sheffield > Read Naturally, Inc. > www.readnaturally.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From irog at mac.com Wed Nov 28 14:14:13 2012 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:14:13 -0800 Subject: Looking for Header Column Control In-Reply-To: <50B6522F.7090303@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50B646A8.2050107@hindu.org> <50B6522F.7090303@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <8E88417E-6C91-4DF0-AD2E-15A80FD17D91@mac.com> Jacqueline, Thanks to you, I'm just beginning to appreciate how wonderful these new features are. Has anyone written a demo stack of this stuff? Thanks, Roger On Nov 28, 2012, at 10:04 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > This sounds like a good candidate for the new field properties. Make the first line of the field the header. Set its backgroundcolor, and if you want, add some spaceabove and spacebelow. Add a borderwidth if you want, or a textstyle. See the release notes for all the cool new paragraph features you can use. Basically almost all the field-level properties we have can now be applied to individual lines. > > That's all you'd need to do. The tabstops will inherit from the field and everything will scroll normally because it's all one block of text. The only change you'd need to make would be to remove the first line of text in your scripts before processing any content. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Nov 28 15:10:49 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:10:49 -0800 Subject: Looking for Header Column Control In-Reply-To: <50B646A8.2050107@hindu.org> References: <50B646A8.2050107@hindu.org> Message-ID: <50B66FC9.60905@fourthworld.com> The DataGrid has a list mode that doesn't take long to set up and would seem to fit your needs well, no? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From alex at tweedly.net Wed Nov 28 15:43:24 2012 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:43:24 +0000 Subject: Weird array comparison limitation Message-ID: <50B6776C.5050703@tweedly.net> You can compare two arrays for being equal - but you can't compare them for being unequal ! As the dictionary says (under the "=" operator), you can compare two arrays, and it will check that the number of keys is the same, and then that each element is the same - therefore it works just like you'd hope and expect for multi-level arrays. But the dictionary entry for "is not" (i.e. not equal, the "<>" operator) does not mention arrays, and indeed you cannot get reliable results from it (ok- they *may* be reliable - but they're not useful :-) Here's a snippet from my Message Box - the global array gives me data to start with, I copy it, then change it, so they are in fact not quite the same - one element has been changed .... > global gATermInfo > put gAtermInfo into gA2 > add 1 to gA2["year"] > put gA2["year"] && (gATerminfo = gA2 ) && (gATerminfo <> gA2 ) > produces > 2013 false false I guess it's not strictly speaking a bug, since the dictionary doesn't claim that it should do the sensible thing. But it's so intuitively obvious that it ought to work, and must be so easy to make it work, that I kind of think it should be fixed. Or am I missing some reason ? or some history that would demand backwards compatability ? Thanks -- Alex. From pete at lcsql.com Wed Nov 28 15:51:10 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:51:10 -0800 Subject: Looking for Header Column Control In-Reply-To: <8E88417E-6C91-4DF0-AD2E-15A80FD17D91@mac.com> References: <50B646A8.2050107@hindu.org> <50B6522F.7090303@hyperactivesw.com> <8E88417E-6C91-4DF0-AD2E-15A80FD17D91@mac.com> Message-ID: I agree, those new line level properties are great. I think someone suggested a couple of weeks ago that perhaps Jacque could provide a demo stack but that all takes valuable time. When I first started looking into this, I was expecting it to be complex but it's really simple. Basically all you have to do is: set the of line of field to You might need several statements like that but it's really straightforward. I think I got confused by the section in the release notes that involves arrays for text runs and styles, etc but you don't need any of that if the properties you want to assign affect the whole line. Pete lcSQL Software On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Roger Guay wrote: > Jacqueline, > > Thanks to you, I'm just beginning to appreciate how wonderful these new > features are. Has anyone written a demo stack of this stuff? > > Thanks, > Roger > > > On Nov 28, 2012, at 10:04 AM, J. Landman Gay > wrote: > > > This sounds like a good candidate for the new field properties. Make the > first line of the field the header. Set its backgroundcolor, and if you > want, add some spaceabove and spacebelow. Add a borderwidth if you want, or > a textstyle. See the release notes for all the cool new paragraph features > you can use. Basically almost all the field-level properties we have can > now be applied to individual lines. > > > > That's all you'd need to do. The tabstops will inherit from the field > and everything will scroll normally because it's all one block of text. The > only change you'd need to make would be to remove the first line of text in > your scripts before processing any content. > > > > -- > > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Nov 28 16:04:11 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 23:04:11 +0200 Subject: altKey() down Message-ID: <50B67C4B.2020805@gmail.com> I am currently "retooling" my Devawriter as folks are finding they cannot quite get their heads round some aspects of the GUI, and, having used the SHIFT key as a modifier inconsistenly across the current 8-odd interfaces I am now intending to use it for a consistent task, and start using the ALT / OPTION key for another task. I am eschewing the commandKey and the ctrlKey as they respond to different keys on the keyboard depending on the OS the computer is running. I would be grateful for some feedback from anybody about how they feel about using the ALT / OPTION key as a modifier of this sort: on mouseUP do something if the altKey() is down then do something extra end if end mouseUp Richmond. From irog at mac.com Wed Nov 28 16:24:03 2012 From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 13:24:03 -0800 Subject: Looking for Header Column Control In-Reply-To: References: <50B646A8.2050107@hindu.org> <50B6522F.7090303@hyperactivesw.com> <8E88417E-6C91-4DF0-AD2E-15A80FD17D91@mac.com> Message-ID: I agree, Peter. I understand the syntax, but the imagination involved in what you can do with it, not so much!! On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > I agree, those new line level properties are great. > > I think someone suggested a couple of weeks ago that perhaps Jacque could > provide a demo stack but that all takes valuable time. When I first > started looking into this, I was expecting it to be complex but it's really > simple. Basically all you have to do is: > > set the of line of field to > > > You might need several statements like that but it's really > straightforward. I think I got confused by the section in the release > notes that involves arrays for text runs and styles, etc but you don't need > any of that if the properties you want to assign affect the whole line. > > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Roger Guay wrote: > >> Jacqueline, >> >> Thanks to you, I'm just beginning to appreciate how wonderful these new >> features are. Has anyone written a demo stack of this stuff? >> >> Thanks, >> Roger >> >> >> On Nov 28, 2012, at 10:04 AM, J. Landman Gay >> wrote: >> >>> This sounds like a good candidate for the new field properties. Make the >> first line of the field the header. Set its backgroundcolor, and if you >> want, add some spaceabove and spacebelow. Add a borderwidth if you want, or >> a textstyle. See the release notes for all the cool new paragraph features >> you can use. Basically almost all the field-level properties we have can >> now be applied to individual lines. >>> >>> That's all you'd need to do. The tabstops will inherit from the field >> and everything will scroll normally because it's all one block of text. The >> only change you'd need to make would be to remove the first line of text in >> your scripts before processing any content. >>> >>> -- >>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Wed Nov 28 16:36:40 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 13:36:40 -0800 Subject: Looking for Header Column Control In-Reply-To: References: <50B646A8.2050107@hindu.org> <50B6522F.7090303@hyperactivesw.com> <8E88417E-6C91-4DF0-AD2E-15A80FD17D91@mac.com> Message-ID: Ah yes, that's a leap! Pete lcSQL Software On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > I agree, Peter. I understand the syntax, but the imagination involved in > what you can do with it, not so much!! > > > On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > I agree, those new line level properties are great. > > > > I think someone suggested a couple of weeks ago that perhaps Jacque could > > provide a demo stack but that all takes valuable time. When I first > > started looking into this, I was expecting it to be complex but it's > really > > simple. Basically all you have to do is: > > > > set the of line of field to > > > > > > You might need several statements like that but it's really > > straightforward. I think I got confused by the section in the release > > notes that involves arrays for text runs and styles, etc but you don't > need > > any of that if the properties you want to assign affect the whole line. > > > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Roger Guay wrote: > > > >> Jacqueline, > >> > >> Thanks to you, I'm just beginning to appreciate how wonderful these new > >> features are. Has anyone written a demo stack of this stuff? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Roger > >> > >> > >> On Nov 28, 2012, at 10:04 AM, J. Landman Gay > >> wrote: > >> > >>> This sounds like a good candidate for the new field properties. Make > the > >> first line of the field the header. Set its backgroundcolor, and if you > >> want, add some spaceabove and spacebelow. Add a borderwidth if you > want, or > >> a textstyle. See the release notes for all the cool new paragraph > features > >> you can use. Basically almost all the field-level properties we have can > >> now be applied to individual lines. > >>> > >>> That's all you'd need to do. The tabstops will inherit from the field > >> and everything will scroll normally because it's all one block of text. > The > >> only change you'd need to make would be to remove the first line of > text in > >> your scripts before processing any content. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Nov 28 16:53:21 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 13:53:21 -0800 Subject: Looking for Header Column Control In-Reply-To: <50B6522F.7090303@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50B6522F.7090303@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50B687D1.8050909@fourthworld.com> J. Landman Gay wrote: > This sounds like a good candidate for the new field properties. Make the > first line of the field the header. Set its backgroundcolor, and if you > want, add some spaceabove and spacebelow. Add a borderwidth if you want, > or a textstyle. See the release notes for all the cool new paragraph > features you can use. Basically almost all the field-level properties we > have can now be applied to individual lines. > > That's all you'd need to do. The tabstops will inherit from the field > and everything will scroll normally because it's all one block of text. > The only change you'd need to make would be to remove the first line of > text in your scripts before processing any content. I think I'm missing something: how can we set the first line to NOT scroll as the rest of the field is scrolled? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From pete at lcsql.com Wed Nov 28 17:30:28 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:30:28 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Version 1.1.2 of lcStackBrowser released Message-ID: I'm pleased to announce the latest version of lcStackBrowser, a plugin alternative to the IDE Application browser. Full details are available in the release notes. Some of the more significant enhancements in this release include: - Tooltips include the number of lines in an object's script and, if applicable, in its behavior script. - Improved navigation of the objects List. Page Up moves to the previous object of the same type as the selected object. Page Down moves to the next object of the same type as the selected object. Home moves to the owner of the selected object. These keys replace the arrow keys introduced in the last release which did not work in all circumstances. See the User Guide for key stroke alternatives if you don;t Page Up, Page Down, Home keys on your keyboard. - Added a new preference setting to name stacks which should always be included in the display. If you have stacks that begin with "rev" but are not IDE stacks, use this feature to include them in the display without including all the IDE stacks. - The popup menu item to set the behavior of an object has been changed to display a separate dialog to select the behavior script instead of using multi-level subitems of the popup menu. You can download the latest version here Pete lcSQL Software From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 28 18:04:40 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:04:40 -0600 Subject: altKey() down In-Reply-To: <50B67C4B.2020805@gmail.com> References: <50B67C4B.2020805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50B69888.5070804@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/28/12 3:04 PM, Richmond wrote: > I am currently "retooling" my Devawriter as folks are finding they > cannot quite get their heads round some aspects of the GUI, and, having > used the SHIFT key as a modifier inconsistenly across the current 8-odd > interfaces I am now intending to use it for a consistent task, and start > using the ALT / OPTION key for another task. I am eschewing the > commandKey and the ctrlKey as they respond to different keys on the > keyboard depending on the OS the computer is running. > > I would be grateful for some feedback from anybody about how they feel > about using the ALT / OPTION key as a modifier of this sort: > > on mouseUP > do something > if the altKey() is down then > do something extra > end if > end mouseUp I think that's the standard way to provide alternate or optional behaviors, hence the name of those keys. The shift key is generally used to retrain or limit an action, such as limiting a drag to a straight line. Opt/Alt keys provide optional/alternate variations on an existing behavior. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From harrison at all-auctions.com Wed Nov 28 18:06:08 2012 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:06:08 -0500 Subject: Image Color Downsizing In-Reply-To: References: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> <8CF9A2BB5834A41-12E0-1C3B2@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <8CF9A421E56A576-12E0-1D636@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <50B3FFFA.6080509@pdslabs.net> <31D52FF9-9AEE-4557-9EA2-A41E9494F41B@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: <2A87F996-AF87-47DF-9AB4-C55C9B10C1BA@all-auctions.com> Hi again, Well, the news isn't as good as I'd hoped. Apparently color downsizing doesn't go down to 16 colors for some reason. Even if I use a ColorList of 16 colors it won't stick to the ones I've assigned. Does anyone have a work around? Let me know. Thanks, Rick On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:43 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi again Thomas, > > Good news! Turns out the dictionary documentation was wrong again. > The export image statement actually works under iOS in the simulator just fine! > Looks like someone forgot to update the dictionary for this. > > So, that problem has been solved! Yea!!! > > Thank you for your help. > > Rick > > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: > >> Hi Thomas, >> >> I was looking at export image late last night without much success. >> >> If one exports to a variable and then sets the imageData to the variable >> it comes out as a mishmash. >> >> I looked into your suggestion of "optimized" this morning and it complained >> about the syntax. I found out a couple of things to make it work. >> >> 1. The term optimized is in the wrong position in the dictionary. >> >> 2, Exporting to another image container instead of a variable works. >> >> If you use as the dictionary suggests: >> >> export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with colorCount [optimized] color palette >> >> so: >> >> export "image1" to tImage as png with 16 optimized color palette >> >> doesn't work. >> >> If you use: >> >> export image "Image1" to image "Image2" as png with 16 color optimized palette >> >> it works! >> >> Unfortunately according to the documentation, it won't work under iOS, so I guess >> it's back to the drawing board. >> >> Any other ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Rick >> >> On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >> >>> Rick, >>> >>> Have you checked out "export with palette" in the dictionary? It works on the palette of the image which could be set to 16 color count? >>> >>> export "image1" to tImage as png with 16 optimized color palette >>> >>> If the optimized palette form is used, then a palette with the colorCount colors will be generated that does its best to approximate all the colors present in the image. The image will be color-matched to this palette before export. If colorList is not specified, a 256 entry palette will be generated. >>> >>> >>> export with palette >>> >>> Type: command >>> >>> Syntax: >>> export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with standard palette >>> export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with optimized palette >>> export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with colorCount [optimized] color palette >>> export image to {file filePath | container} as {gif | png} with palette colorList >>> >>> >>> -- Tom McGrath III >>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net >>> >>> On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: >>> >>>> Hi there, >>>> >>>> I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to >>>> downsize the colors of an image using LiveCode. >>>> >>>> Example: The incoming image has millions of colors, >>>> and I want the color table of the image just to use 16 colors. >>>> >>>> Any way to do this? Suggestions? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 28 18:08:10 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:08:10 -0600 Subject: Looking for Header Column Control In-Reply-To: <50B687D1.8050909@fourthworld.com> References: <50B6522F.7090303@hyperactivesw.com> <50B687D1.8050909@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <50B6995A.90004@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/28/12 3:53 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > J. Landman Gay wrote: >> This sounds like a good candidate for the new field properties. Make the >> first line of the field the header. Set its backgroundcolor, and if you >> want, add some spaceabove and spacebelow. Add a borderwidth if you want, >> or a textstyle. See the release notes for all the cool new paragraph >> features you can use. Basically almost all the field-level properties we >> have can now be applied to individual lines. >> >> That's all you'd need to do. The tabstops will inherit from the field >> and everything will scroll normally because it's all one block of text. >> The only change you'd need to make would be to remove the first line of >> text in your scripts before processing any content. > > I think I'm missing something: how can we set the first line to NOT > scroll as the rest of the field is scrolled? The original request asked for a custom control that served as a list header. It would be a separate group that would have to synch to the content field as it scrolled. The easy solution is to make the first line of the field into the header and not worry about synching anything. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From iowahengst at mac.com Wed Nov 28 18:13:10 2012 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:13:10 -0600 Subject: OT iOS App Store Pricing Message-ID: <66FF3448-ACF1-489F-B215-2404E836E296@mac.com> Hi All, I have several apps that I want to provide for free for a short time? Has anyone changed pricing on iTunes Connect? There's an option to make the effective time of the change "now." I'm wondering about how quickly the "now" option to set the change effective time actually is. be well, randy hengst From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Nov 28 18:24:22 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:24:22 -0600 Subject: Looking for Header Column Control In-Reply-To: <8E88417E-6C91-4DF0-AD2E-15A80FD17D91@mac.com> References: <50B646A8.2050107@hindu.org> <50B6522F.7090303@hyperactivesw.com> <8E88417E-6C91-4DF0-AD2E-15A80FD17D91@mac.com> Message-ID: <50B69D26.7010207@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/28/12 1:14 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > Jacqueline, > > Thanks to you, I'm just beginning to appreciate how wonderful these > new features are. Has anyone written a demo stack of this stuff? Like Pete said, it's really pretty simple. I did say something about creating a demo some day but things are piling up here and it won't be soon. And to be honest I'm not sure a demo is even necessary since the principle is so generic. What used to be field-level properties can now be line-level properties. I haven't explored the array syntax yet, but it's just a way to set a bunch of properties all at once. You don't need it. Basically all you need to do is script in some line number(s) and the property will apply to only those lines instead of the whole field. One of the nicest new things is the separation of text font from the other text properties. This is how MetaCard originally worked but it was removed early on and I've missed it ever since. When it got removed, changing the font also wiped out all the other text properties. We used to be able to set the textsize of a stack without setting the font, and the stack would take on the system font but use the assigned text size. Now we can do that again. Ditto for styles: you can set the textstyle of a field (or some of its lines) to "bold" without setting a textfont and the text will always be bold regardless of what font is inherited. Or you can change the font, and the style and size will still be what they were set to before. It's all been separated into unique bits of data and it makes things much easier. The only thing that broke was a shortcut I routinely used to wipe out all text settings. I used to change the textfont in order to remove all text properties. That won't work now, but it's a small thing and the tradeoff is worth it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pete at lcsql.com Wed Nov 28 18:30:30 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:30:30 -0800 Subject: [OT] WWII code 'may never be cracked' In-Reply-To: References: <50AFB3B8.2050805@gmail.com> <50B0788A.8090605@gmail.com> <4D4A7029-E90A-4B7C-853C-D45730A0B122@me.com> Message-ID: At least the message didn't get garbled in transmission. The same message - "Send reinforcements, we're going to advance" - when passed verbally down the trenches to brigade HQ ended up up as "Send three and fourpence, we're going to a dance". Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > The message is: > > sndrenfrcmntswrgngtoadvnc > > Poor sods, if only the pigeon had got through disaster would have been > averted. > From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Wed Nov 28 20:47:12 2012 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:47:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Connecting to a MSSQL Database In-Reply-To: <1353498944183-4657486.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1353498944183-4657486.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1354153632174-4657701.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Nibor, use your key combination (ctrl+alt+1 or whatever) to bring up a form. On the form get the sql table name and password. Store these values as custom properties in the stack. When the program restarts check to see if the custom properties have values. If they do, use those until the user re-enters the magic key combo. If there are no values stored (ie. this is the first time) query for the initial values. Hope that helps. -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Connecting-to-a-MSSQL-Database-tp4657486p4657701.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Nov 28 21:10:23 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:10:23 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Installer Maker 1.7.14S In-Reply-To: <4ADF9E68-0AD3-4DF8-81E3-DE3F770B30B3@economy-x-talk.com> References: <4ADF9E68-0AD3-4DF8-81E3-DE3F770B30B3@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <441202056109.20121128181023@ahsoftware.net> Mark- Monday, November 26, 2012, 4:17:29 PM, you wrote: > It is a pleasure to announce a new version of the standalone > edition of Installer Maker. I can't tell from the release notes on your web site whether or not you support codesigning yet. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jallijn at gmail.com Thu Nov 29 01:40:49 2012 From: jallijn at gmail.com (John Allijn) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:40:49 +0100 Subject: OT iOS App Store Pricing In-Reply-To: <66FF3448-ACF1-489F-B215-2404E836E296@mac.com> References: <66FF3448-ACF1-489F-B215-2404E836E296@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Randy, I do that often. 'Now' takes a bit of time to take effect. Maybe 15-30 minutes. I guess that this has to do with synchronisation of the app-store servers worldwide. (?) However, it is quite fast and I never experienced problems with that. Regards John On Nov 29, 2012, at 0:13, Randy Hengst wrote: > Hi All, > > I have several apps that I want to provide for free for a short time? > > Has anyone changed pricing on iTunes Connect? > > There's an option to make the effective time of the change "now." I'm wondering about how quickly the "now" option to set the change effective time actually is. > > be well, > randy hengst > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Nov 29 06:38:10 2012 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:38:10 +0100 Subject: display and print different image quality Message-ID: <004301cdce26$030fd220$092f7660$@de> Hi, I have a card with an logo image, which is to be printed. Up to now I have two images for my logo, a small one, which is shown on the card and a large one, to be printed. I do this because if I print the small one, which resides on the card, the text in the logo is printed blurred, because the print dimension is much bigger, then the card size. On the opposite, I can't set the text of the small display-image to the text of the big print-image, because just shrinking the logo in livecode the text shows bad pixeled. My workaround up to now is, that I use the small image only for displaying on the card and a big print-image, which I set offscreen. Now I print the rectangle of the big offscreen-image into the rect of the small print position , while hiding the small display image. This works fine with good display and print quality, but I am wondering, if there is a more straight approach, with manipulating the text or imagedata of the image, but I didn't find an easier solution yet. Thanks Tiemo From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Nov 29 10:20:13 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:20:13 -0800 Subject: Weird array comparison limitation In-Reply-To: <50B6776C.5050703@tweedly.net> References: <50B6776C.5050703@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <50B77D2D.6070806@fourthworld.com> Alex Tweedly wrote: > You can compare two arrays for being equal - but you can't compare them > for being unequal ! I'll bet this is just a byproduct of the parser's current complexity, one that hopefully they'll extend for completeness. Historically, all comparison operators treated arrays as empty strings since they're not strings at all per se. Apparently they special-cased "=" to be able to check whether a variable is an array or a string, and if the former to dive into its contents for a more thorough comparison, but they haven't yet extended that to the other operators. Have you filed a request for this? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From iowahengst at mac.com Thu Nov 29 11:28:12 2012 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:28:12 -0600 Subject: OT iOS App Store Pricing In-Reply-To: References: <66FF3448-ACF1-489F-B215-2404E836E296@mac.com> Message-ID: Excellent. Thank you, John. On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:40 AM, John Allijn wrote: > Hi Randy, > I do that often. 'Now' takes a bit of time to take effect. Maybe 15-30 minutes. I guess that this has to do with synchronisation of the app-store servers worldwide. (?) > However, it is quite fast and I never experienced problems with that. > Regards > John > > > > On Nov 29, 2012, at 0:13, Randy Hengst wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I have several apps that I want to provide for free for a short time? >> >> Has anyone changed pricing on iTunes Connect? >> >> There's an option to make the effective time of the change "now." I'm wondering about how quickly the "now" option to set the change effective time actually is. >> >> be well, >> randy hengst >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From harrison at all-auctions.com Thu Nov 29 12:20:11 2012 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:20:11 -0500 Subject: Export Image 16 ColorList Doesn't Work! In-Reply-To: References: <5854797B-4978-4EBC-8735-206A7F8CC06D@me.com> <8CF9A2BB5834A41-12E0-1C3B2@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <8CF9A421E56A576-12E0-1D636@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <50B3FFFA.6080509@pdslabs.net> <31D52FF9-9AEE-4557-9EA2-A41E9494F41B@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: Hi there, Well I've tried everything I know of with this export thing and even tried to export to a file with a 16 color palette specified as follows: export image "Image1" to file "Image2.gif" as gif with palette VarColorList It always comes out as a 256 color file. Can someone please confirm this problem is a bug? If you can think of a work around I'd be most appreciative. Thanks, Rick From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Nov 29 13:02:23 2012 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:02:23 -0800 Subject: Export Image 16 ColorList Doesn't Work! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Rick: I just tried a simple test that seemed to work as expected. I created a full spectrum (rainbow) gradient in Photoshop, imported into LC, put a bunch of color values into a field, executed the following: put fld 1 into theList put specialFolderPath("desktop") & "/export.gif" into theFilePath export image 1 to file theFilePath as gif with palette theList The field contains a return delimited list of RGB colors: 255,0,0 255,0,107 227,0,242 95,0,255 7,3,255 0,62,255 0,147,255 0,238,248 0,255,187 0,255,116 7,255,2 96,255,0 225,247,0 255,155,0 255,61,0 Opening the exported image in Photoshop shows a 16 color palette (black was added I supposed because I only defined 15 colors). Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 11/29/12 9:20 AM, "Rick Harrison" wrote: >Hi there, > >Well I've tried everything I know of with this export thing and >even tried to export to a file with a 16 color palette specified >as follows: > >export image "Image1" to file "Image2.gif" as gif with palette >VarColorList > >It always comes out as a 256 color file. Can someone please >confirm this problem is a bug? > >If you can think of a work around I'd be most appreciative. > >Thanks, > >Rick > > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Nov 29 13:12:41 2012 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:12:41 +0100 Subject: AW: display and print different image quality In-Reply-To: <004301cdce26$030fd220$092f7660$@de> References: <004301cdce26$030fd220$092f7660$@de> Message-ID: <008501cdce5d$1fd8e180$5f8aa480$@de> I think I tested all kinds of resizing the image, setting the text or the imagedata of the image, but don?t get a sharp resized logo text in my image. And why should it? It's the same as resizing a bitmap image containing text in photoshop. You only can resize a text based logo in full quality, if you have a vector based image. And obviously my trick (printing a large hidden image into a small rect) just does this, because LiveCode passes the imagedata to the printer driver, which does a kind of vector processing, when resizing. I don't know how the printer driver can do this, without actually having a vector image, but the trick works. So probably no other straight forward method!? Thanks Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im > Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. November 2012 12:38 > An: 'How to use LiveCode' > Betreff: display and print different image quality > > Hi, > > I have a card with an logo image, which is to be printed. Up to now I have > two images for my logo, a small one, which is shown on the card and a > large one, to be printed. I do this because if I print the small one, > which resides on the card, the text in the logo is printed blurred, > because the print dimension is much bigger, then the card size. On the > opposite, I can't set the text of the small display-image to the text of > the big print-image, because just shrinking the logo in livecode the text > shows bad pixeled. > > > > My workaround up to now is, that I use the small image only for displaying > on the card and a big print-image, which I set offscreen. Now I print the > rectangle of the big offscreen-image into the rect of the small print > position , while hiding the small display image. This works fine with good > display and print quality, but I am wondering, if there is a more straight > approach, with manipulating the text or imagedata of the image, but I > didn't find an easier solution yet. > > > > Thanks > > Tiemo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Nov 29 13:14:23 2012 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:14:23 -0800 Subject: Export Image 16 ColorList Doesn't Work! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I also tried internal conversion, worked as expected: on mouseUp put fld 1 into theList export img 1 to trans as gif with palette theList set text of img 2 to trans end mouseUp Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On 11/29/12 10:02 AM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >Hi Rick: > >I just tried a simple test that seemed to work as expected. >I created a full spectrum (rainbow) gradient in Photoshop, imported into >LC, put a bunch of color values into a field, executed the following: > >put fld 1 into theList > put specialFolderPath("desktop") & "/export.gif" into theFilePath > export image 1 to file theFilePath as gif with palette theList > > > >The field contains a return delimited list of RGB colors: > >255,0,0 >255,0,107 >227,0,242 >95,0,255 >7,3,255 >0,62,255 >0,147,255 >0,238,248 >0,255,187 >0,255,116 >7,255,2 >96,255,0 >225,247,0 >255,155,0 >255,61,0 > >Opening the exported image in Photoshop shows a 16 color palette (black >was added I supposed because I only defined 15 colors). > > >Regards, > >Scott Rossi >Creative Director >Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > >On 11/29/12 9:20 AM, "Rick Harrison" wrote: > >>Hi there, >> >>Well I've tried everything I know of with this export thing and >>even tried to export to a file with a 16 color palette specified >>as follows: >> >>export image "Image1" to file "Image2.gif" as gif with palette >>VarColorList >> >>It always comes out as a 256 color file. Can someone please >>confirm this problem is a bug? >> >>If you can think of a work around I'd be most appreciative. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Rick >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>use-livecode mailing list >>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>subscription preferences: >>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From harrison at all-auctions.com Thu Nov 29 13:34:37 2012 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:34:37 -0500 Subject: Export Image 16 ColorList Doesn't Work! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Scott, I've been working on it some more while waiting for an answer. I examined my exported file with Graphic Converter and found that it does indeed exist of just 16 colors. It looks like it is more of a copying issue inside of LiveCode. When I import the image into LC it is still 16 colors, but when I move it to another image container it reverts back to 256. Perhaps if the image container I'm moving the information to had a 256 color image in it first before the move of the 16 color image into it, the image remains in 256 colors? (This is a guess here, I'll have to do more research.) Thanks for helping to check things out for me! Rick On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > I also tried internal conversion, worked as expected: > > on mouseUp > put fld 1 into theList > export img 1 to trans as gif with palette theList > set text of img 2 to trans > end mouseUp > > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > > On 11/29/12 10:02 AM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: > >> Hi Rick: >> >> I just tried a simple test that seemed to work as expected. >> I created a full spectrum (rainbow) gradient in Photoshop, imported into >> LC, put a bunch of color values into a field, executed the following: >> >> put fld 1 into theList >> put specialFolderPath("desktop") & "/export.gif" into theFilePath >> export image 1 to file theFilePath as gif with palette theList >> >> >> >> The field contains a return delimited list of RGB colors: >> >> 255,0,0 >> 255,0,107 >> 227,0,242 >> 95,0,255 >> 7,3,255 >> 0,62,255 >> 0,147,255 >> 0,238,248 >> 0,255,187 >> 0,255,116 >> 7,255,2 >> 96,255,0 >> 225,247,0 >> 255,155,0 >> 255,61,0 >> >> Opening the exported image in Photoshop shows a 16 color palette (black >> was added I supposed because I only defined 15 colors). >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Scott Rossi >> Creative Director >> Tactile Media, UX Design >> >> >> >> >> On 11/29/12 9:20 AM, "Rick Harrison" wrote: >> >>> Hi there, >>> >>> Well I've tried everything I know of with this export thing and >>> even tried to export to a file with a 16 color palette specified >>> as follows: >>> >>> export image "Image1" to file "Image2.gif" as gif with palette >>> VarColorList >>> >>> It always comes out as a 256 color file. Can someone please >>> confirm this problem is a bug? >>> >>> If you can think of a work around I'd be most appreciative. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode __________________________________ Rick Harrison You can buy my $10 music album "Funny Time Machine" digital CD on the iTunes Store Now! To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD please click on the following link. (Please note you must have iTunes installed on your computer for this link to work.) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=213668290 From andrew at ctech.me Thu Nov 29 14:54:29 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:54:29 -0600 Subject: GLX2 Coloriztion Message-ID: Hey GLX2 users, Is there any way to customize colorization of glx2's script? I like in the default editor how strings are marked as blue when wrapped in quotes and red until they have a pair of quotes. Is there anyway to enable this behavior or customize colorization of the script? -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From andrew at ctech.me Thu Nov 29 15:23:54 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:23:54 -0600 Subject: Date Calculation In-Reply-To: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: That's what I'm looking for! Great. However, I tried what I think I am supposed to do in the script below and my dates are about three days off. This function is supposed to give me the date for monday of the week where the date paramater is. If the paramater is empty it uses todays date. function DetermineWeek pDate if pDate is empty then put the date into sDate else put pDate into sDate end if convert sDate to dateItems answer sDate set the itemDelimiter to "," put item -1 of sDate into sDay switch sDay case "2" --Monday put 0 into sDiff case "3" --Tuesday put 1 into sDiff case "4" --Wednesday put 2 into sDiff case "5" --Thursday put 3 into sDiff case "6" --Friday put 4 into sDiff case "7" --Saturday put 5 into sDiff case "1" --Sunday put 6 into sDiff end switch put item 3 of sDate into sDayOfMonth put sDayOfMonth - sDiff into sNewDay put sNewDay into item 3 of sDate answer sDate convert sDate to date return sDate end DetermineWeek For instance leaving the paramater blank should provide me today (11/29/12) with a date of 11/26/12 but instead I am returned 11/23/12. Maybe I don't properly understand your process for doing this. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Devin Asay wrote: > > On Nov 28, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > >> Hey Ya'll, >> >> I thought I had this figured out but I don't and I am not sure where >> to go from here. >> >> I want to retreive the date for the monday and the sunday of the current week. >> >> For instance, if it were today 11/28/2012 then I would want to return >> 11/26/2012 and 12/2/2012 . I was trying to leverage Sara R's Date & >> Time library, but even with all those lovely functions I still can't >> get what I am after. I know there has to be a simpler way of doing >> this than the broken mess I was coming up with. How would you tackle >> this problem? > > Andrew, > > Convert the date to date items, then using the last item (numeric day of the week), calculate how many days between today and the preceding Monday and the following Sunday. > Once you have that, just add (or subtract) the difference to item 3 of the date items, then reconvert to the date. The convert command will adjust everything properly in the case of transitions between months and years. > > If you can't figure it out, let me know and I'll dig through some code where I had to do this and post it. > > HTH > > Devin > > > > Devin Asay > Office of Digital Humanities > Brigham Young University > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Nov 29 15:51:54 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:51:54 -0600 Subject: Date Calculation In-Reply-To: References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: <50B7CAEA.3040002@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/29/12 2:23 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > That's what I'm looking for! Great. > > However, I tried what I think I am supposed to do in the script below > and my dates are about three days off. > > This function is supposed to give me the date for monday of the week > where the date paramater is. > > If the paramater is empty it uses todays date. > > function DetermineWeek pDate > if pDate is empty then > put the date into sDate > else > put pDate into sDate > end if > convert sDate to dateItems > answer sDate > set the itemDelimiter to "," > put item -1 of sDate into sDay > switch sDay > case "2" --Monday > put 0 into sDiff > case "3" --Tuesday > put 1 into sDiff > case "4" --Wednesday > put 2 into sDiff > case "5" --Thursday > put 3 into sDiff > case "6" --Friday > put 4 into sDiff > case "7" --Saturday > put 5 into sDiff > case "1" --Sunday > put 6 into sDiff > end switch > put item 3 of sDate into sDayOfMonth > put sDayOfMonth - sDiff into sNewDay > put sNewDay into item 3 of sDate > answer sDate > convert sDate to date > return sDate > end DetermineWeek > > For instance leaving the paramater blank should provide me today > (11/29/12) with a date of 11/26/12 but instead I am returned 11/23/12. You forgot the "break" statements in the switch. Everything will fall through to a difference of 6. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From alex at tweedly.net Thu Nov 29 16:10:04 2012 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:10:04 +0000 Subject: Date Calculation In-Reply-To: <50B7CAEA.3040002@hyperactivesw.com> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> <50B7CAEA.3040002@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50B7CF2C.9020508@tweedly.net> On 29/11/2012 20:51, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/29/12 2:23 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: >> That's what I'm looking for! Great. >> >> However, I tried what I think I am supposed to do in the script below >> and my dates are about three days off. >> >> This function is supposed to give me the date for monday of the week >> where the date paramater is. >> >> If the paramater is empty it uses todays date. >> >> function DetermineWeek pDate >> if pDate is empty then >> put the date into sDate >> else >> put pDate into sDate >> end if >> convert sDate to dateItems >> answer sDate >> set the itemDelimiter to "," >> put item -1 of sDate into sDay >> switch sDay >> case "2" --Monday >> put 0 into sDiff >> case "3" --Tuesday >> put 1 into sDiff >> case "4" --Wednesday >> put 2 into sDiff >> case "5" --Thursday >> put 3 into sDiff >> case "6" --Friday >> put 4 into sDiff >> case "7" --Saturday >> put 5 into sDiff >> case "1" --Sunday >> put 6 into sDiff >> end switch >> put item 3 of sDate into sDayOfMonth >> put sDayOfMonth - sDiff into sNewDay >> put sNewDay into item 3 of sDate >> answer sDate >> convert sDate to date >> return sDate >> end DetermineWeek >> >> For instance leaving the paramater blank should provide me today >> (11/29/12) with a date of 11/26/12 but instead I am returned 11/23/12. > > You forgot the "break" statements in the switch. Everything will fall > through to a difference of 6. > Or just replace all that switch by > put item -1 of sDate into sDay > put sDay-2 into sDiff > if sDiff < 0 then put 6 into sDiff or do it all in one step > put item 3 of sDate - (item -1 of sDate) + 2 into sDayOfMonth > if item -1 of sDate = 1 then subtract 7 from sDayOfMonth > put sDayOfMonth into item 3 of sDate -- Alex. From andrew at ctech.me Thu Nov 29 16:13:02 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:13:02 -0600 Subject: Date Calculation In-Reply-To: <50B7CAEA.3040002@hyperactivesw.com> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> <50B7CAEA.3040002@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: duh. I got focused on getting the concept of the process and wasn't even looking for script errors like that. jeez. Thanks a million, J and Devin. Andrew On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:51 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/29/12 2:23 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: >> >> That's what I'm looking for! Great. >> >> However, I tried what I think I am supposed to do in the script below >> and my dates are about three days off. >> >> This function is supposed to give me the date for monday of the week >> where the date paramater is. >> >> If the paramater is empty it uses todays date. >> >> function DetermineWeek pDate >> if pDate is empty then >> put the date into sDate >> else >> put pDate into sDate >> end if >> convert sDate to dateItems >> answer sDate >> set the itemDelimiter to "," >> put item -1 of sDate into sDay >> switch sDay >> case "2" --Monday >> put 0 into sDiff >> case "3" --Tuesday >> put 1 into sDiff >> case "4" --Wednesday >> put 2 into sDiff >> case "5" --Thursday >> put 3 into sDiff >> case "6" --Friday >> put 4 into sDiff >> case "7" --Saturday >> put 5 into sDiff >> case "1" --Sunday >> put 6 into sDiff >> end switch >> put item 3 of sDate into sDayOfMonth >> put sDayOfMonth - sDiff into sNewDay >> put sNewDay into item 3 of sDate >> answer sDate >> convert sDate to date >> return sDate >> end DetermineWeek >> >> For instance leaving the paramater blank should provide me today >> (11/29/12) with a date of 11/26/12 but instead I am returned 11/23/12. > > > You forgot the "break" statements in the switch. Everything will fall > through to a difference of 6. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From pete at lcsql.com Thu Nov 29 16:14:38 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:14:38 -0800 Subject: Date Calculation In-Reply-To: References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> Message-ID: Hi Andrew, Do you by any chance have an sqlite database in your application? If so, I can send you a one-line SELECT statement for each date you're looking for that will do all this for you. Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > That's what I'm looking for! Great. > > However, I tried what I think I am supposed to do in the script below > and my dates are about three days off. > > This function is supposed to give me the date for monday of the week > where the date paramater is. > > If the paramater is empty it uses todays date. > > function DetermineWeek pDate > if pDate is empty then > put the date into sDate > else > put pDate into sDate > end if > convert sDate to dateItems > answer sDate > set the itemDelimiter to "," > put item -1 of sDate into sDay > switch sDay > case "2" --Monday > put 0 into sDiff > case "3" --Tuesday > put 1 into sDiff > case "4" --Wednesday > put 2 into sDiff > case "5" --Thursday > put 3 into sDiff > case "6" --Friday > put 4 into sDiff > case "7" --Saturday > put 5 into sDiff > case "1" --Sunday > put 6 into sDiff > end switch > put item 3 of sDate into sDayOfMonth > put sDayOfMonth - sDiff into sNewDay > put sNewDay into item 3 of sDate > answer sDate > convert sDate to date > return sDate > end DetermineWeek > > For instance leaving the paramater blank should provide me today > (11/29/12) with a date of 11/26/12 but instead I am returned 11/23/12. > Maybe I don't properly understand your process for doing this. > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Devin Asay wrote: > > > > On Nov 28, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > > >> Hey Ya'll, > >> > >> I thought I had this figured out but I don't and I am not sure where > >> to go from here. > >> > >> I want to retreive the date for the monday and the sunday of the > current week. > >> > >> For instance, if it were today 11/28/2012 then I would want to return > >> 11/26/2012 and 12/2/2012 . I was trying to leverage Sara R's Date & > >> Time library, but even with all those lovely functions I still can't > >> get what I am after. I know there has to be a simpler way of doing > >> this than the broken mess I was coming up with. How would you tackle > >> this problem? > > > > Andrew, > > > > Convert the date to date items, then using the last item (numeric day of > the week), calculate how many days between today and the preceding Monday > and the following Sunday. > > Once you have that, just add (or subtract) the difference to item 3 of > the date items, then reconvert to the date. The convert command will adjust > everything properly in the case of transitions between months and years. > > > > If you can't figure it out, let me know and I'll dig through some code > where I had to do this and post it. > > > > HTH > > > > Devin > > > > > > > > Devin Asay > > Office of Digital Humanities > > Brigham Young University > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > andrew at ctech.me > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Thu Nov 29 16:23:57 2012 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:23:57 -0500 Subject: Date Calculation In-Reply-To: <50B7CAEA.3040002@hyperactivesw.com> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> <50B7CAEA.3040002@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Just as an intellectual exercise I worked on shortening the script up because the only way to fix the case is to add a bunch of breaks to it or change the conditionals and order. If you want to shorten it, here's one option: *function* DetermineWeek pDate *if* pDate is empty *then* *put* the date into pDate *end* *if* *# pDate is empty* *convert* pDate to dateItems *put* item -1 of pDate into dayNumber *if* dayNumber=1 *then* *# Sunday, move to previous week* theOffset=6 *else* *# Monday to Saturday* theOffset=dayNumber-2 *end* *if* *# dayNumber=1* *subtract* theOffset from item 3 of pDate *convert* pDate to date *return* pDate *end* DetermineWeek From brahma at hindu.org Thu Nov 29 17:00:23 2012 From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:00:23 -1000 Subject: Looking for Header Column Control In-Reply-To: <50B6995A.90004@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50B6522F.7090303@hyperactivesw.com> <50B687D1.8050909@fourthworld.com> <50B6995A.90004@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50B7DAF7.1080701@hindu.org> Aloha, Jacqueline Well, make a pretty header may be useful for some apps, and yes, the new text properties are awesome and when some makes a palette control for using them I'll use it (hehe.. not about to script all that...!) but the other part of my request was. "a header control that will allow dynamic resizing of columns in a field with tab stops and vertical grid on." Richard: I'll have to swallow the learning curve on the data grid later... we are sweating it out here as we are about go live on Dec 3rd with our completely newly designed, running on RevIgniter site... in 4 days! So, I went in a different direction: For now I just made the columns reasonable for the address and info and the on mousedown on the list pushed the line to another palette/ sub-stack with each column on it's own line first name last name address1 address etc. and then the person dealing with these guest book entries (we have a kiosk computer on our property for visitors that send the data to our server...) can more easily edit that and when he saves, it updates the line on the field below which is locked. It's working... so he doesn't have to resize the columns now, and this actually provides a better UI for editing "the record" Om Shanti Brahmanathaswami Kauai Aadheenam On 11/28/12 1:08 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/28/12 3:53 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> J. Landman Gay wrote: >>> This sounds like a good candidate for the new field properties. Make >>> the >>> first line of the field the header. Set its backgroundcolor, and if you >>> want, add some spaceabove and spacebelow. Add a borderwidth if you >>> want, >>> or a textstyle. See the release notes for all the cool new paragraph >>> features you can use. Basically almost all the field-level >>> properties we >>> have can now be applied to individual lines. >>> >>> That's all you'd need to do. The tabstops will inherit from the field >>> and everything will scroll normally because it's all one block of text. >>> The only change you'd need to make would be to remove the first line of >>> text in your scripts before processing any content. >> >> I think I'm missing something: how can we set the first line to NOT >> scroll as the rest of the field is scrolled? > > The original request asked for a custom control that served as a list > header. It would be a separate group that would have to synch to the > content field as it scrolled. > > The easy solution is to make the first line of the field into the > header and not worry about synching anything. > From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Thu Nov 29 18:45:45 2012 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:45:45 +0000 Subject: setting menuHistory by script not working Message-ID: I'm trying to make 'preset' selections from a series of option menus by setting their menuHistory in a script. If I set the menuHistory from the message box it works just fine, but if do it from a script it fails - at least until I switch to another window, at which point the option menus suddenly update to their correct value (LC 5.5.3 OSX). Same result with the IDE active and suspended. Does anyone know what's up with this? Terry... Dr Terry Judd Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Eduction Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Thu Nov 29 19:00:53 2012 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:00:53 +0000 Subject: setting menuHistory by script not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 30/11/2012, at 10:45 AM, Terry Judd wrote: > I'm trying to make 'preset' selections from a series of option menus by setting their menuHistory in a script. > > If I set the menuHistory from the message box it works just fine, but if do it from a script it fails - at least until I switch to another window, at which point the option menus suddenly update to their correct value (LC 5.5.3 OSX). Same result with the IDE active and suspended. > > Does anyone know what's up with this? For now I'm using a hack that opens and closes an invisible window to force the menus to update, but even that doesn't work all of the time. Terry... > > Terry... > > Dr Terry Judd > Senior Lecturer in Medical Education > Medical Eduction Unit > Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences > The University of Melbourne > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > Dr Terry Judd Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Eduction Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Nov 29 19:10:37 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:10:37 -0600 Subject: Date Calculation In-Reply-To: References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> <50B7CAEA.3040002@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50B7F97D.5000809@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/29/12 3:23 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > *if* dayNumber=1 *then* *# Sunday, move to previous week* > > theOffset=6 > > *else* *# Monday to Saturday* > > theOffset=dayNumber-2 > > *end* *if* *# dayNumber=1* Alas, Mike has been lost at C. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From dunbarx at aol.com Thu Nov 29 19:23:34 2012 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:23:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: setting menuHistory by script not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF9CA81146363C-12E0-33D21@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Terry. What do you mean when you say "set by script"? In a handler in a button? on mouseUp set the menuHistory of btn "yourOptionButton" to random(3) end mouseUp This works fine. Write back. Craig Newman -----Original Message----- From: Terry Judd To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 7:02 pm Subject: Re: setting menuHistory by script not working On 30/11/2012, at 10:45 AM, Terry Judd wrote: > I'm trying to make 'preset' selections from a series of option menus by setting their menuHistory in a script. > > If I set the menuHistory from the message box it works just fine, but if do it from a script it fails - at least until I switch to another window, at which point the option menus suddenly update to their correct value (LC 5.5.3 OSX). Same result with the IDE active and suspended. > > Does anyone know what's up with this? For now I'm using a hack that opens and closes an invisible window to force the menus to update, but even that doesn't work all of the time. Terry... > > Terry... > > Dr Terry Judd > Senior Lecturer in Medical Education > Medical Eduction Unit > Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences > The University of Melbourne > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > Dr Terry Judd Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Eduction Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au Thu Nov 29 19:33:11 2012 From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:33:11 +0000 Subject: setting menuHistory by script not working In-Reply-To: <8CF9CA81146363C-12E0-33D21@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9CA81146363C-12E0-33D21@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 30/11/2012, at 11:23 AM, wrote: > Terry. > > > What do you mean when you say "set by script"? In a handler in a button? > > on mouseUp > > set the menuHistory of btn "yourOptionButton" to random(3) > > > end mouseUp Yes - a variation on that (but called from a pulldown menu). > > > This works fine. Not for me unfortunately. For some reason the message doesn't seem to get sent unless I switch to another window (clicking in a palette for example). Terry... > > > Write back. > > > Craig Newman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Judd > To: How to use LiveCode > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 7:02 pm > Subject: Re: setting menuHistory by script not working > > > > On 30/11/2012, at 10:45 AM, Terry Judd wrote: > >> I'm trying to make 'preset' selections from a series of option menus by > setting their menuHistory in a script. >> >> If I set the menuHistory from the message box it works just fine, but if do it > from a script it fails - at least until I switch to another window, at which > point the option menus suddenly update to their correct value (LC 5.5.3 OSX). > Same result with the IDE active and suspended. >> >> Does anyone know what's up with this? > > For now I'm using a hack that opens and closes an invisible window to force the > menus to update, but even that doesn't work all of the time. > > Terry... > >> >> Terry... >> >> Dr Terry Judd >> Senior Lecturer in Medical Education >> Medical Eduction Unit >> Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences >> The University of Melbourne >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > Dr Terry Judd > Senior Lecturer in Medical Education > Medical Eduction Unit > Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences > The University of Melbourne > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > Dr Terry Judd Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Eduction Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Nov 29 20:32:49 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:32:49 -0800 Subject: Date Calculation In-Reply-To: <50B7F97D.5000809@hyperactivesw.com> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> <50B7CAEA.3040002@hyperactivesw.com> <50B7F97D.5000809@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <911286201718.20121129173249@ahsoftware.net> Jacque- Thursday, November 29, 2012, 4:10:37 PM, you wrote: > Alas, Mike has been lost at C. Hah! -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Nov 29 20:34:59 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:34:59 -0800 Subject: GLX2 Coloriztion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1011286331953.20121129173459@ahsoftware.net> Andrew- Thursday, November 29, 2012, 11:54:29 AM, you wrote: > Hey GLX2 users, > Is there any way to customize colorization of glx2's script? I like in > the default editor how strings are marked as blue when wrapped in > quotes and red until they have a pair of quotes. > Is there anyway to enable this behavior or customize colorization of the script? Not at the moment, no. Can you file this as an issue on the bitbucket site? I like that behavior as well, and it should be possible to add it somewhere down the line. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From pete at lcsql.com Thu Nov 29 20:35:25 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:35:25 -0800 Subject: setting menuHistory by script not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Couple of things come to mind, neither of which exactly fit the symptoms but here they are anyway. No menuPick message is generated if the menuHistory you set is the same as the current value. I've always thought this was a bit odd, especially if you have reset the text of the option menu. Do you have messages locked at the time you set the menuHistory? Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Terry Judd wrote: > I'm trying to make 'preset' selections from a series of option menus by > setting their menuHistory in a script. > > If I set the menuHistory from the message box it works just fine, but if > do it from a script it fails - at least until I switch to another window, > at which point the option menus suddenly update to their correct value (LC > 5.5.3 OSX). Same result with the IDE active and suspended. > > Does anyone know what's up with this? > > Terry... > > Dr Terry Judd > Senior Lecturer in Medical Education > Medical Eduction Unit > Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences > The University of Melbourne > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pete at lcsql.com Thu Nov 29 20:45:43 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:45:43 -0800 Subject: Date Calculation In-Reply-To: References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> <50B7CAEA.3040002@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: OK, well I guess no sqlite database in use but just to illustrate, this is how easy this is with a SELECT statement Assuming the date is 11/28/12 per the original email, then to get the next Sunday: SELECT date('2012-11-28', weekday 0) To get the previous Monday: SELECT date('2012-11-28', -7 days,weekday 1) Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > Just as an intellectual exercise I worked on shortening the script up > because the only way to fix the case is to add a bunch of breaks to it or > change the conditionals and order. If you want to shorten it, here's one > option: > > *function* DetermineWeek pDate > > *if* pDate is empty *then* > > *put* the date into pDate > > *end* *if* *# pDate is empty* > > *convert* pDate to dateItems > > *put* item -1 of pDate into dayNumber > > *if* dayNumber=1 *then* *# Sunday, move to previous week* > > theOffset=6 > > *else* *# Monday to Saturday* > > theOffset=dayNumber-2 > > *end* *if* *# dayNumber=1* > > *subtract* theOffset from item 3 of pDate > > *convert* pDate to date > > *return* pDate > > *end* DetermineWeek > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Nov 29 21:13:46 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:13:46 -0600 Subject: setting menuHistory by script not working In-Reply-To: References: <8CF9CA81146363C-12E0-33D21@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50B8165A.5080206@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/29/12 6:33 PM, Terry Judd wrote: > > For some reason the message doesn't seem to > get sent unless I switch to another window (clicking in a palette for > example). Odd. We really need a way to force a screen update. Sometimes I do this: lock screen go next go back unlock screen Maybe that would work. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Nov 29 21:17:48 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:17:48 -0600 Subject: Looking for Header Column Control In-Reply-To: <50B7DAF7.1080701@hindu.org> References: <50B6522F.7090303@hyperactivesw.com> <50B687D1.8050909@fourthworld.com> <50B6995A.90004@hyperactivesw.com> <50B7DAF7.1080701@hindu.org> Message-ID: <50B8174C.6070305@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/29/12 4:00 PM, Brahmanathaswami wrote: > but the other part of my request was. > > "a header control that will allow dynamic resizing of columns in a field > with tab stops and vertical > grid on." Oops, right. I might try a mousemove handler that looks to see if the x position was over one of the tabstops, and if the mouse was down, track the mouseH and reset the tabstops. Maybe when I get some time I'll try it. Or maybe someone else wants to tinker with it. It could be useful. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Nov 29 21:30:50 2012 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:30:50 -0800 Subject: setting menuHistory by script not working In-Reply-To: <50B8165A.5080206@hyperactivesw.com> References: <8CF9CA81146363C-12E0-33D21@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <50B8165A.5080206@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1941289682781.20121129183050@ahsoftware.net> Jacque- Thursday, November 29, 2012, 6:13:46 PM, you wrote: > lock screen > go next > go back > unlock screen You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. You are likely to get eaten by a grue. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From simplsol at aol.com Thu Nov 29 21:43:08 2012 From: simplsol at aol.com (Paul Looney) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:43:08 -0800 Subject: {ANN} SoCal LUG Meeting - Insights & DBs Message-ID: <6AC8B4A7-BF0F-48FD-B9BC-9896BF1E5771@aol.com> The December meeting of the Southern California LiveCode Users' Group will be held on Thursday, Dec 6th, at 7:00 PM, at the Burger Continental in Pasadena. All LiveCode Programmers are welcomed. As discussed last month, the theme of this meeting is "Tips, Tricks, and Traps" - brief presentations of unique things you've learned programming LiveCode. There will be the requested encore presentation of the SS Client/Server system shown last week. SS C/S is a database architecture built and maintained entirely with LiveCode (no SQL, no No SQL). Last month we set up a new server and two clients in less than six minutes. This time we will build an entire, multiuser database in less than....? Send an email to me if you have questions or need directions. Paul Looney From pete at lcsql.com Thu Nov 29 21:51:16 2012 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:51:16 -0800 Subject: Date Calculation In-Reply-To: References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> <50B7CAEA.3040002@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Whoops, the weekday 0, weekday 1 and -7 days should all be in single quotes. One of these days, I might try my hand at writing a date calculation function that mimics the SQLite equivalent. They're very powerful and easy to understand. All you need is a base date and a series of modifiers (days, hours, minutes, seconds, weeks, months, years, start of year, start of day, start of month, localtime, utc, julianday, unixepoch) to the base date. Pete lcSQL Software On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > OK, well I guess no sqlite database in use but just to illustrate, this is > how easy this is with a SELECT statement > > Assuming the date is 11/28/12 per the original email, then to get the next > Sunday: > > SELECT date('2012-11-28', weekday 0) > > To get the previous Monday: > > SELECT date('2012-11-28', -7 days,weekday 1) > > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > >> Just as an intellectual exercise I worked on shortening the script up >> because the only way to fix the case is to add a bunch of breaks to it or >> change the conditionals and order. If you want to shorten it, here's one >> option: >> >> *function* DetermineWeek pDate >> >> *if* pDate is empty *then* >> >> *put* the date into pDate >> >> *end* *if* *# pDate is empty* >> >> *convert* pDate to dateItems >> >> *put* item -1 of pDate into dayNumber >> >> *if* dayNumber=1 *then* *# Sunday, move to previous week* >> >> theOffset=6 >> >> *else* *# Monday to Saturday* >> >> theOffset=dayNumber-2 >> >> *end* *if* *# dayNumber=1* >> >> *subtract* theOffset from item 3 of pDate >> >> *convert* pDate to date >> >> *return* pDate >> >> *end* DetermineWeek >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Nov 29 23:47:57 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:47:57 -0600 Subject: setting menuHistory by script not working In-Reply-To: <1941289682781.20121129183050@ahsoftware.net> References: <8CF9CA81146363C-12E0-33D21@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> <50B8165A.5080206@hyperactivesw.com> <1941289682781.20121129183050@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <50B83A7D.6080905@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/29/12 8:30 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jacque- > > Thursday, November 29, 2012, 6:13:46 PM, you wrote: > >> lock screen >> go next >> go back >> unlock screen > > You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. > You are likely to get eaten by a grue. > Too late, it happened last week. Spent 5 days wandering the twisty passages of my own code, looking for an elusive bug. Being eaten would have been a welcome end to it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Nov 29 23:57:07 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:57:07 -0600 Subject: Date Calculation In-Reply-To: References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> <50B7CAEA.3040002@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50B83CA3.7040700@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/29/12 3:13 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > duh. I got focused on getting the concept of the process and wasn't > even looking for script errors like that. jeez. Don't feel bad, you aren't alone. I once sent in a bug report to MetaCard with the exact same error. He was nice about it. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 30 00:09:35 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:09:35 -0600 Subject: Looking for Header Column Control In-Reply-To: <50B8174C.6070305@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50B6522F.7090303@hyperactivesw.com> <50B687D1.8050909@fourthworld.com> <50B6995A.90004@hyperactivesw.com> <50B7DAF7.1080701@hindu.org> <50B8174C.6070305@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50B83F8F.7060305@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/29/12 8:17 PM, I wrote: > I might try a mousemove handler that looks to see if the x > position was over one of the tabstops, and if the mouse was down, track > the mouseH and reset the tabstops. Maybe when I get some time I'll try > it. In a fit of enthusiasm, I experimented. Here's a rough outline. Make a field named "data" and a button named "Reset". Script of button "Reset": on mouseUp set the traversalOn of fld "data" to false set the autohilite of fld "data" to false set the locktext of fld "data" to true set the vGrid of fld "data" to true set the tabwidths of fld "data" to 125,125,125,125,0 setupText end mouseUp on setupText put "Color,Months,Days,ID Number" & cr into tText replace comma with tab in tText repeat 20 put any line of the colornames after tText put tab & any line of the monthnames & " - " \ & any line of the monthnames after tText put tab & any line of the weekdaynames & " - " \ & any line of the weekdaynames after tText put tab & random(500000) & cr after tText end repeat put tText into fld "data" -- header styling: set the textstyle of line 1 of fld "data" to "bold" -- set the spaceabove of line 1 of fld "data" to 5 set the spacebelow of line 1 of fld "data" to 8 set the padding of line 1 of fld "data" to 8 set the backgroundcolor of line 1 of fld "data" to "lightgreen" set the bordercolor of line 1 of fld "data" to "forestgreen" set the hgrid of line 1 of fld "data" to true end setupText That will set up some field properties and populate it with junk data. I love the new "tabwidths" property, you don't have to do math any more to figure out the tabstops. Script of the field: local sDragStop -- which tabstop is being changed; empty or zero if none local sAdjustPx -- card loc to field loc adjustment amount on mouseDown put mouseDownOnTabstop() into sDragStop put the left of fld "data" + the leftmargin of fld "data" - \ the hScroll of fld "data" into sAdjustPx end mouseDown function mouseDownOnTabstop -- are we close enough to a tab stop? if word 2 of the mouseline > 1 then return 0 -- limit dragging to header only put the tabstops of fld "data" into tStops put the mouseH into tX put 4 into tSlop -- allow a little leeway put 1 into tCount repeat for each item i in tStops put i + sAdjustPx into tStopH if tX > (tStopH - tSlop) and tX < (tStopH + tSlop) then return tCount add 1 to tCount end repeat return 0 end mouseDownOnTabstop on mouseMove x,y -- adjust tabstops if sDragStop <= 0 then pass mouseMove put the tabstops of fld "data" into tStops put min(max(1,x - sAdjustPx),item (sDragStop + 1) of tStops - 6) \ into item sDragStop of tStops set the tabstops of fld "data" to tStops end mouseMove on mouseUp put 0 into sDragStop if word 2 of the clickline > 1 then -- process any non-header line clicks here, for example: put the text of the mouseline end if end mouseUp on mouseRelease put 0 into sDragStop end mouseRelease Drag the vGrid lines around in the header. It could use some enhancements, but that's the basic idea. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 01:33:28 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:33:28 +0200 Subject: altkey() down, up & halfway down Message-ID: <50B85338.2090008@gmail.com> Has anybody any bright ideas why this doesn't work: on mouseUp if altkey() is down then put "ALT key is down" into fld "fOUTPUT" end if end mouseUp or this: on mouseUp if the altkey is down then put "ALT key is down" into fld "fOUTPUT" end if end mouseUp on Linux? 'Tisn't funny, m'dears! Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 01:56:26 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:56:26 +0200 Subject: altkey() down, up & halfway down In-Reply-To: <50B85338.2090008@gmail.com> References: <50B85338.2090008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50B8589A.40409@gmail.com> On 30/11/12 08:33, Richmond wrote: > Has anybody any bright ideas why this doesn't work: > > on mouseUp > if altkey() is down then > put "ALT key is down" into fld "fOUTPUT" > end if > end mouseUp > > or this: > > on mouseUp > if the altkey is down then > put "ALT key is down" into fld "fOUTPUT" > end if > end mouseUp > > on Linux? > > 'Tisn't funny, m'dears! > > Richmond. (blast, answering my own message again) The documentation appears to be a bit dicky; if I put this in a button: on mouseUp put empty into fld "fOUTPUT" put the keysDown into fld "fOUTPUT" end mouseUP and I click the button with the SHIFT, CTRL, X, Y, Z or TAB keys pressed I get 'magic numbers'; all very well and super, BUT . . . there ain't nuffin doin' when I press the ALT key. Now that is NOT what the documentation says. Tested with LC 4.5 on Linux (Ubuntu 12.04) and Mac PPC (10.4); as at work (kids taking an exam) I have not had a chance to test this on Windows. Richmond. And, 'tis a roight cough, cough, cough from my point of view as rather important for the start of the next SDLC of Devawriter Pro. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 02:04:47 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:04:47 +0200 Subject: altkey() down, up & halfway down In-Reply-To: <50B8589A.40409@gmail.com> References: <50B85338.2090008@gmail.com> <50B8589A.40409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50B85A8F.8050003@gmail.com> On 30/11/12 08:56, Richmond wrote: > On 30/11/12 08:33, Richmond wrote: >> Has anybody any bright ideas why this doesn't work: >> >> on mouseUp >> if altkey() is down then >> put "ALT key is down" into fld "fOUTPUT" >> end if >> end mouseUp >> >> or this: >> >> on mouseUp >> if the altkey is down then >> put "ALT key is down" into fld "fOUTPUT" >> end if >> end mouseUp >> >> on Linux? >> >> 'Tisn't funny, m'dears! >> >> Richmond. > > (blast, answering my own message again) > > The documentation appears to be a bit dicky; if I put this in a button: > > on mouseUp > put empty into fld "fOUTPUT" > put the keysDown into fld "fOUTPUT" > end mouseUP > > and I click the button with the SHIFT, CTRL, X, Y, Z or TAB keys > pressed I get 'magic numbers'; > all very well and super, BUT . . . > > there ain't nuffin doin' when I press the ALT key. > > Now that is NOT what the documentation says. > > Tested with LC 4.5 on Linux (Ubuntu 12.04) and Mac PPC (10.4); as at > work (kids taking an exam) > I have not had a chance to test this on Windows. > > Richmond. > > And, 'tis a roight cough, cough, cough from my point of view as rather > important > for the start of the next SDLC of Devawriter Pro. Am I on a roll this morning! If I put this into my cardScript: on rawKeyDown RK put RK into fld "fOUTPUT" end rawKeyDown I DO get a magic number for the ALT key!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So, where the documentation is, ultimately misleading is this: "The keycodes returned by the keysDown function are the same as those passed as parameters with the rawKeyDown and . . . " Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 06:05:21 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:05:21 +0200 Subject: altkey() down, up & halfway down In-Reply-To: <50B85A8F.8050003@gmail.com> References: <50B85338.2090008@gmail.com> <50B8589A.40409@gmail.com> <50B85A8F.8050003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50B892F1.7030301@gmail.com> On 11/30/2012 09:04 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 30/11/12 08:56, Richmond wrote: >> On 30/11/12 08:33, Richmond wrote: >>> Has anybody any bright ideas why this doesn't work: >>> >>> on mouseUp >>> if altkey() is down then >>> put "ALT key is down" into fld "fOUTPUT" >>> end if >>> end mouseUp >>> >>> or this: >>> >>> on mouseUp >>> if the altkey is down then >>> put "ALT key is down" into fld "fOUTPUT" >>> end if >>> end mouseUp >>> >>> on Linux? >>> >>> 'Tisn't funny, m'dears! >>> >>> Richmond. >> >> (blast, answering my own message again) >> >> The documentation appears to be a bit dicky; if I put this in a button: >> >> on mouseUp >> put empty into fld "fOUTPUT" >> put the keysDown into fld "fOUTPUT" >> end mouseUP >> >> and I click the button with the SHIFT, CTRL, X, Y, Z or TAB keys >> pressed I get 'magic numbers'; >> all very well and super, BUT . . . >> >> there ain't nuffin doin' when I press the ALT key. >> >> Now that is NOT what the documentation says. >> >> Tested with LC 4.5 on Linux (Ubuntu 12.04) and Mac PPC (10.4); as at >> work (kids taking an exam) >> I have not had a chance to test this on Windows. >> >> Richmond. >> >> And, 'tis a roight cough, cough, cough from my point of view as >> rather important >> for the start of the next SDLC of Devawriter Pro. > > Am I on a roll this morning! > > If I put this into my cardScript: > > on rawKeyDown RK > put RK into fld "fOUTPUT" > end rawKeyDown > > I DO get a magic number for the ALT key!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > So, where the documentation is, ultimately misleading is this: > > "The keycodes returned by the keysDown function are the same as those > passed > as parameters with the rawKeyDown and . . . " > > Richmond. And, of course, that's no good at all on a Macintosh. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 06:20:27 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:20:27 +0200 Subject: altkey() down, up & halfway down In-Reply-To: <50B892F1.7030301@gmail.com> References: <50B85338.2090008@gmail.com> <50B8589A.40409@gmail.com> <50B85A8F.8050003@gmail.com> <50B892F1.7030301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50B8967B.1060309@gmail.com> Is it just me, or . . . ? So, here I am, during my luch break, at home, AND . . . having had "No joy" with this on my G3 iMac running Mac OS 10.4 at the school: on mouseUp if the altKey is down then put "down" into fld "fOUTPUT" end if end mouseUp it works on MacINTEL 10.6.7 !!!!! but NOT on Xubuntu 12.10. Do INTEL Macs send rawKey messages from modifier keys, while PPC Macs do not? From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 08:18:49 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:18:49 +0200 Subject: "keyedUp" cross-platform woes Message-ID: <50B8B239.60304@gmail.com> Now the ALT-KEY yields a "magic number" (keyDown) number on Windows and Linux, and that's fine and dandy, but, as has been pointed out several times, both by myself and others, that doesn't happen on a Mac and Livecode seems unable to work out when the ALT-KEY is down . . . . . . just wondering whether, despite that, the ALT-KEY does actually have a unicode number on a Mac? From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Nov 30 09:25:16 2012 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:25:16 +0100 Subject: AW: display and print different image quality - solved In-Reply-To: <008501cdce5d$1fd8e180$5f8aa480$@de> References: <004301cdce26$030fd220$092f7660$@de> <008501cdce5d$1fd8e180$5f8aa480$@de> Message-ID: <005801cdcf06$84cf8b80$8e6ea280$@de> Add FYI: Thanks to William, I found another more straight forward approach. I still have two logo images, a small dimensioned one for display on my card and a larger (hidden) one for containing a better resolution for printing in a larger scale. Now I export a snapshot of the larger img to a local and set the text of the small img to this local. Using this workaround the small displayed AND larger printed quality of the small logo image is fine. I don't know why, but the result of the print resolution differs completely, if you set the text of the small image directly to the text of the large image (bad resolution) or if you set the text to the exported local. Having set the resizequality both times to best before. Thanks Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im > Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. November 2012 19:13 > An: 'How to use LiveCode' > Betreff: AW: display and print different image quality > > I think I tested all kinds of resizing the image, setting the text or the > imagedata of the image, but don?t get a sharp resized logo text in my > image. > And why should it? It's the same as resizing a bitmap image containing > text in photoshop. You only can resize a text based logo in full quality, > if you have a vector based image. And obviously my trick (printing a large > hidden image into a small rect) just does this, because LiveCode passes > the imagedata to the printer driver, which does a kind of vector > processing, when resizing. I don't know how the printer driver can do > this, without actually having a vector image, but the trick works. > So probably no other straight forward method!? > Thanks > Tiemo > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im > > Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. November 2012 12:38 > > An: 'How to use LiveCode' > > Betreff: display and print different image quality > > > > Hi, > > > > I have a card with an logo image, which is to be printed. Up to now I > > have two images for my logo, a small one, which is shown on the card > > and a large one, to be printed. I do this because if I print the small > > one, which resides on the card, the text in the logo is printed > > blurred, because the print dimension is much bigger, then the card > > size. On the opposite, I can't set the text of the small display-image > > to the text of the big print-image, because just shrinking the logo in > > livecode the text shows bad pixeled. > > > > > > > > My workaround up to now is, that I use the small image only for > > displaying on the card and a big print-image, which I set offscreen. > > Now I print the rectangle of the big offscreen-image into the rect of > > the small print position , while hiding the small display image. This > > works fine with good display and print quality, but I am wondering, if > > there is a more straight approach, with manipulating the text or > > imagedata of the image, but I didn't find an easier solution yet. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Nov 30 09:28:42 2012 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:28:42 -0800 Subject: {ANN} SoCal LUG Meeting - Insights & DBs In-Reply-To: <6AC8B4A7-BF0F-48FD-B9BC-9896BF1E5771@aol.com> References: <6AC8B4A7-BF0F-48FD-B9BC-9896BF1E5771@aol.com> Message-ID: <50B8C29A.5090406@fourthworld.com> Paul Looney wrote: > The December meeting of the Southern California LiveCode Users' Group > will be held on Thursday, Dec 6th, at 7:00 PM, at the Burger > Continental in Pasadena. All LiveCode Programmers are welcomed. > > As discussed last month, the theme of this meeting is "Tips, Tricks, > and Traps" - brief presentations of unique things you've learned > programming LiveCode. > > There will be the requested encore presentation of the SS > Client/Server system shown last week. SS C/S is a database > architecture built and maintained entirely with LiveCode (no SQL, no > No SQL). Last month we set up a new server and two clients in less > than six minutes. This time we will build an entire, multiuser > database in less than....? > > Send an email to me if you have questions or need directions. Thanks for posting that, Paul. For anyone interested in attending, Heather set up a home base for the SoCal LiveCode User Group in the forums - directions and other details for every meeting are available there: Looking forward to seeing you Thursday - -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From andrew at ctech.me Fri Nov 30 11:24:16 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:24:16 -0600 Subject: Date Calculation In-Reply-To: <50B83CA3.7040700@hyperactivesw.com> References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> <50B7CAEA.3040002@hyperactivesw.com> <50B83CA3.7040700@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for the lovely solutions. It illustrates just how many ways there are to do things in livecode. Peter, No SQLLite here. Just need to set Flexible Learning Company's date picker with dates active for the dates I was trying to calculate. Working great now, thanks. I didn't realize how versatile the dateItems were. Very neat. Kind regards, Andrew On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/29/12 3:13 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: >> >> duh. I got focused on getting the concept of the process and wasn't >> even looking for script errors like that. jeez. > > > Don't feel bad, you aren't alone. I once sent in a bug report to MetaCard > with the exact same error. He was nice about it. :) > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From andrew at ctech.me Fri Nov 30 11:24:35 2012 From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:24:35 -0600 Subject: GLX2 Coloriztion In-Reply-To: <1011286331953.20121129173459@ahsoftware.net> References: <1011286331953.20121129173459@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Sure thing. On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Andrew- > > Thursday, November 29, 2012, 11:54:29 AM, you wrote: > >> Hey GLX2 users, > >> Is there any way to customize colorization of glx2's script? I like in >> the default editor how strings are marked as blue when wrapped in >> quotes and red until they have a pair of quotes. > >> Is there anyway to enable this behavior or customize colorization of the script? > > Not at the moment, no. Can you file this as an issue on the bitbucket > site? I like that behavior as well, and it should be possible to add > it somewhere down the line. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 11:44:54 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:44:54 +0200 Subject: "keyedUp" cross-platform woes In-Reply-To: <50B8B239.60304@gmail.com> References: <50B8B239.60304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50B8E286.7010801@gmail.com> On 30/11/12 15:18, Richmond wrote: > Now the ALT-KEY yields a "magic number" (keyDown) number > on Windows and Linux, and that's fine and dandy, but, as has been > pointed out several times, both > by myself and others, that doesn't happen on a Mac and Livecode seems > unable to work out when > the ALT-KEY is down . . . > > . . . just wondering whether, despite that, the ALT-KEY does actually > have a unicode number > on a Mac? The soup thickens . . . So: Macintosh does NOT return a rawKeyDown code for modifier keys, BUT Macintosh does show that a modifier key is pressed when a button (or other object) gets a mouseDown or a mouseUp: on mouseUp if the altKey is down then do something end if end mouseUp keysDown doesn't give any joy with modifier keys on Macintosh. ------------------------------------------------------------- and I've written the substance of this before: as modifier keys modify keyboard input on Macintosh computers (just as they do on non-Mac computers running other operating systems) the OS, obviously, does detect those keyDowns . . . So, why is Livecode able to detect modifier rawKeyDowns on Windows and Linux, but is quite unable to detect modifier rawKeyDowns on Macintosh? From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 30 12:47:48 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:47:48 -0600 Subject: altkey() down, up & halfway down In-Reply-To: <50B8967B.1060309@gmail.com> References: <50B85338.2090008@gmail.com> <50B8589A.40409@gmail.com> <50B85A8F.8050003@gmail.com> <50B892F1.7030301@gmail.com> <50B8967B.1060309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50B8F144.5020901@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/30/12 5:20 AM, Richmond wrote: > Is it just me, or . . . ? > > So, here I am, during my luch break, at home, AND . . . > > having had "No joy" with this on my G3 iMac running Mac OS 10.4 at the > school: > > on mouseUp > if the altKey is down then > put "down" into fld "fOUTPUT" > end if > end mouseUp > > it works on MacINTEL 10.6.7 !!!!! > > but NOT on Xubuntu 12.10. > > Do INTEL Macs send rawKey messages from modifier keys, while > PPC Macs do not? I think every OS is different. Try a handler using "on optionKeyDown". Note that no message is sent with the key alone, it is only sent when the user types a key combo, but for your shortcuts that's what you want anyway. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 12:52:02 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:52:02 +0200 Subject: altkey() down, up & halfway down In-Reply-To: <50B8F144.5020901@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50B85338.2090008@gmail.com> <50B8589A.40409@gmail.com> <50B85A8F.8050003@gmail.com> <50B892F1.7030301@gmail.com> <50B8967B.1060309@gmail.com> <50B8F144.5020901@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50B8F242.9000600@gmail.com> On 30/11/12 19:47, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/30/12 5:20 AM, Richmond wrote: >> Is it just me, or . . . ? >> >> So, here I am, during my luch break, at home, AND . . . >> >> having had "No joy" with this on my G3 iMac running Mac OS 10.4 at the >> school: >> >> on mouseUp >> if the altKey is down then >> put "down" into fld "fOUTPUT" >> end if >> end mouseUp >> >> it works on MacINTEL 10.6.7 !!!!! >> >> but NOT on Xubuntu 12.10. >> >> Do INTEL Macs send rawKey messages from modifier keys, while >> PPC Macs do not? > > I think every OS is different. Try a handler using "on optionKeyDown". > Note that no message is sent with the key alone, it is only sent when > the user types a key combo, but for your shortcuts that's what you > want anyway. > Thanks, Jacque . . . as usual I have solved the problem having already made myself look a complete fool all over the use-list . . . LOL Nothwithstanding the above, I do wonder why Livecode-on-Mac cannot grab onto rawKeyDowns for modifier keys. Richmond. From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Fri Nov 30 13:13:05 2012 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:13:05 -0500 Subject: Date Calculation In-Reply-To: References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> <50B7CAEA.3040002@hyperactivesw.com> <50B83CA3.7040700@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: ha On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Thanks everyone for the lovely solutions. It illustrates just how many > ways there are to do things in livecode. > > Peter, > > No SQLLite here. Just need to set Flexible Learning Company's date > picker with dates active for the dates I was trying to calculate. > Working great now, thanks. I didn't realize how versatile the > dateItems were. Very neat. > > Kind regards, > Andrew > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM, J. Landman Gay > wrote: > > On 11/29/12 3:13 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > >> > >> duh. I got focused on getting the concept of the process and wasn't > >> even looking for script errors like that. jeez. > > > > > > Don't feel bad, you aren't alone. I once sent in a bug report to MetaCard > > with the exact same error. He was nice about it. :) > > > > > > -- > > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > > preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > -- > Regards, > > Andrew Kluthe > andrew at ctech.me > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com Fri Nov 30 13:15:41 2012 From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:15:41 -0500 Subject: Date Calculation In-Reply-To: References: <31BDC56EACAAF64688457CE3F71D9F1AEE5290@Peas2.byu.local> <50B7CAEA.3040002@hyperactivesw.com> <50B83CA3.7040700@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: sorry, the "ha" was supposed to be in response to JLG lost at c. funny. You know that "C" is a write-only language, right? From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri Nov 30 14:33:49 2012 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:33:49 -0800 Subject: display and print different image quality - solved In-Reply-To: <005801cdcf06$84cf8b80$8e6ea280$@de> References: <004301cdce26$030fd220$092f7660$@de> <008501cdce5d$1fd8e180$5f8aa480$@de> <005801cdcf06$84cf8b80$8e6ea280$@de> Message-ID: This bugs me. I thought the printer routines USED to take care of this automatically; create an image object with data bigger than what one wants to display, then resize the image to fit the layout. The increase in resolution in the printed, reduced image should be obvious. But multiple files per image.... yikes... On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:25 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Add FYI: Thanks to William, I found another more straight forward approach. > I still have two logo images, a small dimensioned one for display on my > card > and a larger (hidden) one for containing a better resolution for printing > in > a larger scale. Now I export a snapshot of the larger img to a local and > set > the text of the small img to this local. Using this workaround the small > displayed AND larger printed quality of the small logo image is fine. > I don't know why, but the result of the print resolution differs > completely, > if you set the text of the small image directly to the text of the large > image (bad resolution) or if you set the text to the exported local. Having > set the resizequality both times to best before. > Thanks > Tiemo > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im > > Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. November 2012 19:13 > > An: 'How to use LiveCode' > > Betreff: AW: display and print different image quality > > > > I think I tested all kinds of resizing the image, setting the text or the > > imagedata of the image, but don?t get a sharp resized logo text in my > > image. > > And why should it? It's the same as resizing a bitmap image containing > > text in photoshop. You only can resize a text based logo in full quality, > > if you have a vector based image. And obviously my trick (printing a > large > > hidden image into a small rect) just does this, because LiveCode passes > > the imagedata to the printer driver, which does a kind of vector > > processing, when resizing. I don't know how the printer driver can do > > this, without actually having a vector image, but the trick works. > > So probably no other straight forward method!? > > Thanks > > Tiemo > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im > > > Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB > > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. November 2012 12:38 > > > An: 'How to use LiveCode' > > > Betreff: display and print different image quality > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have a card with an logo image, which is to be printed. Up to now I > > > have two images for my logo, a small one, which is shown on the card > > > and a large one, to be printed. I do this because if I print the small > > > one, which resides on the card, the text in the logo is printed > > > blurred, because the print dimension is much bigger, then the card > > > size. On the opposite, I can't set the text of the small display-image > > > to the text of the big print-image, because just shrinking the logo in > > > livecode the text shows bad pixeled. > > > > > > > > > > > > My workaround up to now is, that I use the small image only for > > > displaying on the card and a big print-image, which I set offscreen. > > > Now I print the rectangle of the big offscreen-image into the rect of > > > the small print position , while hiding the small display image. This > > > works fine with good display and print quality, but I am wondering, if > > > there is a more straight approach, with manipulating the text or > > > imagedata of the image, but I didn't find an easier solution yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-livecode mailing list > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb From phil at liverpool.ac.uk Fri Nov 30 14:56:50 2012 From: phil at liverpool.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:56:50 +0000 Subject: display and print different image quality - solved In-Reply-To: References: <004301cdce26$030fd220$092f7660$@de> <008501cdce5d$1fd8e180$5f8aa480$@de> <005801cdcf06$84cf8b80$8e6ea280$@de> Message-ID: The technique I use is I have an image dump card and put all my large images on there. I then scale them smaller (with resizequality set to best) and lock them to prevent them resizing back to full size. If you now use imagesource items in a field to refer to those images, the field version displays at the same size as the scaled down version, but if you print the field it uses the original higher resolution images in the output. Sent from my iPhone On 30 Nov 2012, at 19:33, stephen barncard wrote: > This bugs me. I thought the printer routines USED to take care of this > automatically; > > create an image object with data bigger than what one wants to display, > then resize the image to fit the layout. The increase in resolution in the > printed, reduced image should be obvious. > But multiple files per image.... yikes... > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:25 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > >> Add FYI: Thanks to William, I found another more straight forward approach. >> I still have two logo images, a small dimensioned one for display on my >> card >> and a larger (hidden) one for containing a better resolution for printing >> in >> a larger scale. Now I export a snapshot of the larger img to a local and >> set >> the text of the small img to this local. Using this workaround the small >> displayed AND larger printed quality of the small logo image is fine. >> I don't know why, but the result of the print resolution differs >> completely, >> if you set the text of the small image directly to the text of the large >> image (bad resolution) or if you set the text to the exported local. Having >> set the resizequality both times to best before. >> Thanks >> Tiemo >> >>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im >>> Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. November 2012 19:13 >>> An: 'How to use LiveCode' >>> Betreff: AW: display and print different image quality >>> >>> I think I tested all kinds of resizing the image, setting the text or the >>> imagedata of the image, but don?t get a sharp resized logo text in my >>> image. >>> And why should it? It's the same as resizing a bitmap image containing >>> text in photoshop. You only can resize a text based logo in full quality, >>> if you have a vector based image. And obviously my trick (printing a >> large >>> hidden image into a small rect) just does this, because LiveCode passes >>> the imagedata to the printer driver, which does a kind of vector >>> processing, when resizing. I don't know how the printer driver can do >>> this, without actually having a vector image, but the trick works. >>> So probably no other straight forward method!? >>> Thanks >>> Tiemo >>> >>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im >>>> Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB >>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. November 2012 12:38 >>>> An: 'How to use LiveCode' >>>> Betreff: display and print different image quality >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have a card with an logo image, which is to be printed. Up to now I >>>> have two images for my logo, a small one, which is shown on the card >>>> and a large one, to be printed. I do this because if I print the small >>>> one, which resides on the card, the text in the logo is printed >>>> blurred, because the print dimension is much bigger, then the card >>>> size. On the opposite, I can't set the text of the small display-image >>>> to the text of the big print-image, because just shrinking the logo in >>>> livecode the text shows bad pixeled. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My workaround up to now is, that I use the small image only for >>>> displaying on the card and a big print-image, which I set offscreen. >>>> Now I print the rectangle of the big offscreen-image into the rect of >>>> the small print position , while hiding the small display image. This >>>> works fine with good display and print quality, but I am wondering, if >>>> there is a more straight approach, with manipulating the text or >>>> imagedata of the image, but I didn't find an easier solution yet. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Tiemo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > -- > > > > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco Ca. USA > > more about sqb > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From rjb at robelko.com Fri Nov 30 14:53:44 2012 From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:53:44 +0100 Subject: "keyedUp" cross-platform woes In-Reply-To: <50B8B239.60304@gmail.com> References: <50B8B239.60304@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 30.11.2012 at 15:18 Uhr +0200 Richmond apparently wrote: >Now the ALT-KEY yields a "magic number" (keyDown) number >on Windows and Linux, and that's fine and dandy, but, as has been >pointed out several times, both >by myself and others, that doesn't happen on a Mac and Livecode >seems unable to work out when >the ALT-KEY is down . . . > If I am not mistaken, this is because Mac OS does not actually send the code until a "real" key is pressed. Nothing that LC can do about it. Robert From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Nov 30 15:38:15 2012 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:38:15 -0600 Subject: altkey() down, up & halfway down In-Reply-To: <50B8F242.9000600@gmail.com> References: <50B85338.2090008@gmail.com> <50B8589A.40409@gmail.com> <50B85A8F.8050003@gmail.com> <50B892F1.7030301@gmail.com> <50B8967B.1060309@gmail.com> <50B8F144.5020901@hyperactivesw.com> <50B8F242.9000600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50B91937.9080401@hyperactivesw.com> On 11/30/12 11:52 AM, Richmond wrote: > Nothwithstanding the above, I do wonder why Livecode-on-Mac cannot grab > onto rawKeyDownsfor modifier keys. As I understand it, the OS doesn't send any key messages until the combo is typed. I believe it's always been that way on Macs; at least, I recall dealing with it back in OS 9 and HyperCard. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 15:43:07 2012 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:43:07 +0200 Subject: altkey() down, up & halfway down In-Reply-To: <50B91937.9080401@hyperactivesw.com> References: <50B85338.2090008@gmail.com> <50B8589A.40409@gmail.com> <50B85A8F.8050003@gmail.com> <50B892F1.7030301@gmail.com> <50B8967B.1060309@gmail.com> <50B8F144.5020901@hyperactivesw.com> <50B8F242.9000600@gmail.com> <50B91937.9080401@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <50B91A5B.8030207@gmail.com> On 11/30/2012 10:38 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 11/30/12 11:52 AM, Richmond wrote: > >> Nothwithstanding the above, I do wonder why Livecode-on-Mac cannot grab >> onto rawKeyDownsfor modifier keys. > > As I understand it, the OS doesn't send any key messages until the > combo is typed. I believe it's always been that way on Macs; at least, > I recall dealing with it back in OS 9 and HyperCard. > Thank you Jacque and Robert. From coiin at verizon.net Fri Nov 30 16:05:57 2012 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:05:57 -0500 Subject: how my book is doing... Message-ID: I received my first royalty statement. It just covers July, August, and September, and as the book came out at the end of July it really means that it's two months worth of sales. The numbers were higher than I was expecting! In that amount of time there were 160 ebook purchases, 87 paper books, and 25 subscription purchases. That earned just over $5500, with just over $900 of it coming to me. So, thanks to the many of you who contributed towards that! Instead of using the money to buy lunch it actually will cover the amount I have to give RunRev for my complete LiveCode license. From dunbarx at aol.com Fri Nov 30 17:41:08 2012 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:41:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: how my book is doing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF9D62EC5CBD05-12E0-3A1F9@Webmail-m123.sysops.aol.com> Colin. Good for you! Really, really. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Colin Holgate To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2012 4:06 pm Subject: how my book is doing... I received my first royalty statement. It just covers July, August, and September, and as the book came out at the end of July it really means that it's two months worth of sales. The numbers were higher than I was expecting! In that amount of time there were 160 ebook purchases, 87 paper books, and 25 subscription purchases. That earned just over $5500, with just over $900 of it coming to me. So, thanks to the many of you who contributed towards that! Instead of using the money to buy lunch it actually will cover the amount I have to give RunRev for my complete LiveCode license. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From keith at gulfbreezeortholab.com Fri Nov 30 18:15:35 2012 From: keith at gulfbreezeortholab.com (Keith (Gulf Breeze Ortho Lab)) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:15:35 -0600 Subject: how my book is doing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Colin, Great to hear! For future works, you might want to consider self-publishing (perhaps print-on-demand) and make even more from your hard work... (And sorry if this topic has already been discussed on here before.) FYI: I bought the paper version of your wonderful book... Cheers! Keith L. Gulf Breeze, Florida Sent from my iPhone On Nov 30, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > I received my first royalty statement. It just covers July, August, and September, and as the book came out at the end of July it really means that it's two months worth of sales. > > The numbers were higher than I was expecting! In that amount of time there were 160 ebook purchases, 87 paper books, and 25 subscription purchases. That earned just over $5500, with just over $900 of it coming to me. > > So, thanks to the many of you who contributed towards that! Instead of using the money to buy lunch it actually will cover the amount I have to give RunRev for my complete LiveCode license. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From terence at ctec.co.nz Fri Nov 30 18:41:44 2012 From: terence at ctec.co.nz (Terence Blyth) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:41:44 +1300 Subject: how my book is doing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Its great to see that people are getting results from livecode. Apple just approved my first app first time. Yahoooooooooooo. Cheers Terence On 1/12/2012, at 12:15 PM, "Keith (Gulf Breeze Ortho Lab)" wrote: > Hi Colin, > > Great to hear! For future works, you might want to consider self-publishing (perhaps print-on-demand) and make even more from your hard work... (And sorry if this topic has already been discussed on here before.) > > FYI: I bought the paper version of your wonderful book... > > Cheers! > > Keith L. > Gulf Breeze, Florida > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 30, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> I received my first royalty statement. It just covers July, August, and September, and as the book came out at the end of July it really means that it's two months worth of sales. >> >> The numbers were higher than I was expecting! In that amount of time there were 160 ebook purchases, 87 paper books, and 25 subscription purchases. That earned just over $5500, with just over $900 of it coming to me. >> >> So, thanks to the many of you who contributed towards that! Instead of using the money to buy lunch it actually will cover the amount I have to give RunRev for my complete LiveCode license. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From sc at sahores-conseil.com Fri Nov 30 21:42:56 2012 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 03:42:56 +0100 Subject: how my book is doing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ED6B244-C02F-4570-93CF-46E7D6E9C76A@sahores-conseil.com> Hi Colin, Good to know... and the same tough as Keith. I don't like the idea that because PackIt (witch spams my mailbox since i purchased your useful reference book), you gives the most of your work to this "officine" in the mean time their did so sadly their publisher's work in making nothing to protect your copyright ? Warm regards, Pierre Le 1 d?c. 2012 ? 00:15, Keith (Gulf Breeze Ortho Lab) a ?crit : > Hi Colin, > > Great to hear! For future works, you might want to consider self-publishing (perhaps print-on-demand) and make even more from your hard work... (And sorry if this topic has already been discussed on here before.) > > FYI: I bought the paper version of your wonderful book... > > Cheers! > > Keith L. > Gulf Breeze, Florida > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 30, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> I received my first royalty statement. It just covers July, August, and September, and as the book came out at the end of July it really means that it's two months worth of sales. >> >> The numbers were higher than I was expecting! In that amount of time there were 160 ebook purchases, 87 paper books, and 25 subscription purchases. That earned just over $5500, with just over $900 of it coming to me. >> >> So, thanks to the many of you who contributed towards that! Instead of using the money to buy lunch it actually will cover the amount I have to give RunRev for my complete LiveCode license. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com From sc at sahores-conseil.com Fri Nov 30 22:08:33 2012 From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 04:08:33 +0100 Subject: how my book is doing... In-Reply-To: <6ED6B244-C02F-4570-93CF-46E7D6E9C76A@sahores-conseil.com> References: <6ED6B244-C02F-4570-93CF-46E7D6E9C76A@sahores-conseil.com> Message-ID: Colin, Why would you not publish it again as a credential peer user protected web application with dedicated css to target desktops, tablets and mobiles ? Best, Pierre Le 1 d?c. 2012 ? 03:42, Pierre Sahores a ?crit : > Hi Colin, > > Good to know... and the same tough as Keith. I don't like the idea that because PackIt (witch spams my mailbox since i purchased your useful reference book), you gives the most of your work to this "officine" in the mean time their did so sadly their publisher's work in making nothing to protect your copyright ? > > Warm regards, > > Pierre > > Le 1 d?c. 2012 ? 00:15, Keith (Gulf Breeze Ortho Lab) a ?crit : > >> Hi Colin, >> >> Great to hear! For future works, you might want to consider self-publishing (perhaps print-on-demand) and make even more from your hard work... (And sorry if this topic has already been discussed on here before.) >> >> FYI: I bought the paper version of your wonderful book... >> >> Cheers! >> >> Keith L. >> Gulf Breeze, Florida >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 30, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: >> >>> I received my first royalty statement. It just covers July, August, and September, and as the book came out at the end of July it really means that it's two months worth of sales. >>> >>> The numbers were higher than I was expecting! In that amount of time there were 160 ebook purchases, 87 paper books, and 25 subscription purchases. That earned just over $5500, with just over $900 of it coming to me. >>> >>> So, thanks to the many of you who contributed towards that! Instead of using the money to buy lunch it actually will cover the amount I have to give RunRev for my complete LiveCode license. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 > www.sahores-conseil.com > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com