From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 02:32:48 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:32:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: ResizeControl
In-Reply-To: <4D1E4E1C.2040108@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <822300.53043.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 12/31/10, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> DunbarX wrote:
> 
> > Why the messages is not passed along to the card, or
> why they are sent
> > continuously, is a mystery.
> 
> For most of LC/Rev/MC's life, the resizeControl message was
> consistently sent only after the user stopped performing a
> resize action with the pointer tool.
> 
> But in v3.5 RunRev introduced behaviors and some new
> enhancements to group objects to allow folks to make custom
> controls like the DataGrid.
> 
> In addition to being sent continuously as the control is
> resized (to allow your custom control to adjust its
> contents), that message is also sent to the control whenever
> it's resized by any means, such as a script adjusting its
> rect, rather than strictly when the user is interacting with
> it using the pointer tool.
> 
> Useful as these enhancements are, it seems they're
> described only in the engine change log and the Dictionary
> entry for the resizeControl message hasn't been updated.
> 
> Anyone here got time to either add a user comment to that
> entry and/or file a documentation bug report at the RQCC?
> 
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
> 

At one point in time, I had an enhancement request for a 'liveResizing' property for groups (#2807) - but I recently closed it, as the new way it works since version 3.5, was exactly what I was after :-)
The docs should be updated at least, if such a 'liveResizing' property isn't desirable.

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From jmyepes at mac.com  Sat Jan  1 06:45:07 2011
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 03:45:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: DataGrid dictionary?
In-Reply-To: <709D6780-A275-41CC-9F26-7056261D2E9A@me.com>
References: <1293670696908-3167836.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTimdobZv_ozhtSgun=jW__YtPLCpz_onS7ewNpo0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1293731264039-3168568.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTin=pyLZa8qbzxJ5_DunRsiWPF+-G4dd39uWTnAv@mail.gmail.com>
	<1293737127233-3168662.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikKS99XUav5KX8ACZHfMXEsEwD2Kb6wOfs9O-79@mail.gmail.com>
	<1293744216824-3168784.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTi=RaN-2zC2C1TBg8EoN6ihoGhVA_7bvths3ZdYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<709D6780-A275-41CC-9F26-7056261D2E9A@me.com>
Message-ID: <1293882307959-3170085.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi,

Seems that this can help you.

http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7343-Data-Grid-Properties

http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7344-Data-Grid-API


Salut,
Josep
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Sat Jan  1 06:47:42 2011
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 03:47:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: datagrid: add rows in CloseFieldEditor
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=RaN-2zC2C1TBg8EoN6ihoGhVA_7bvths3ZdYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1293670696908-3167836.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTimdobZv_ozhtSgun=jW__YtPLCpz_onS7ewNpo0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1293731264039-3168568.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTin=pyLZa8qbzxJ5_DunRsiWPF+-G4dd39uWTnAv@mail.gmail.com>
	<1293737127233-3168662.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikKS99XUav5KX8ACZHfMXEsEwD2Kb6wOfs9O-79@mail.gmail.com>
	<1293744216824-3168784.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTi=RaN-2zC2C1TBg8EoN6ihoGhVA_7bvths3ZdYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1293882462345-3170086.post@n4.nabble.com>


Yes, yes, first I use "AddData" inside CloseFieldEditor and then for update
the cells of the created row I use SetDataOfIndex the dgindex of me+1,
"COL1", "Text of the Col"

But ever add the row using "AddData" but from other row.

Salut,
Josep
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan  1 10:22:19 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:22:19 +0100
Subject: ANN: Installer Maker Plugin updated
Message-ID: <7C2B5851-BC2D-4B53-A558-E968FE0AA217@economy-x-talk.com>

Hello,

First of all: Happy New Year to all of you. I wish you all to make great software and distribute them successfully with Economy-x-Talk's Installer Maker Plugin :-)

Today I spent a few hours fixing some bugs in the Installer Maker Pugin. One of the bugs fixed is a problem that prevented Linux users from registering. More information can be found at http://rrinstallermaker.economy-x-talk.com/ .

The Installer Maker Plugin now counts version number 1.5.1. This is a free update for everyone who bought a (new) license during the past 3 months. Upgrades are available at half the original price.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce




From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan  1 11:10:16 2011
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 08:10:16 -0800
Subject: Missing plug-in. Again
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1293818401.29654.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1293818401.29654.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <06CF44CA-A6BE-4938-A411-B5770ADEF090@sbcglobal.net>

>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:50:17 -0800
> From: Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Missing plug-in. Again
> Message-ID: <821110092953.20101230155017 at ahsoftware.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Jim-
>
> Thursday, December 30, 2010, 3:38:44 PM, you wrote:
>
>> Don't tell anybody I'm doing this. I'm sure it's naughty.
>
> Not really, you're just making extra work for yourself. You'll have to
> do this for 4.5.3, 4.6...
>
> Much easier to create a folder somewhere else and just set your
> preferences to point to it. Make a "Plugins" folder in it and move
> your plugins there. Then you don't have to do anything special for
> different RR/LC versions.
>
> --  
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>

Mark,

Thanks, and good point.

I don't know though. There is a certain satisfaction in toying with  
the Package Contents.

This is the closest I ever come to hacking.

Jim



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sat Jan  1 11:59:42 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 08:59:42 -0800
Subject: ResizeControl
In-Reply-To: <822300.53043.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <822300.53043.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EE847292-D151-4385-9213-6AFE9E53B4D8@mollysrevenge.com>

I think a property that controls this behavior would certainly have  
been the best way to implement this.  Any time software is changed to  
behave in a way that is just about the opposite of how it used to  
work, there needs to be a way for users to control that behavior.  If  
I'd known about your request, I would definitely have voted for it.

Pete Haworth

On Dec 31, 2010, at 11:32 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

>
> At one point in time, I had an enhancement request for a  
> 'liveResizing' property for groups (#2807) - but I recently closed  
> it, as the new way it works since version 3.5, was exactly what I  
> was after :-)
> The docs should be updated at least, if such a 'liveResizing'  
> property isn't desirable.
>
> Jan Schenkel.
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
> www.quartam.com
>
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same  
> time."  (La Rochefoucauld)




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan  1 13:50:51 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:50:51 -0800
Subject: Missing plug-in. Again
In-Reply-To: <06CF44CA-A6BE-4938-A411-B5770ADEF090@sbcglobal.net>
References: <mailman.3.1293818401.29654.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<06CF44CA-A6BE-4938-A411-B5770ADEF090@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <33113678437.20110101105051@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

Saturday, January 1, 2011, 8:10:16 AM, you wrote:

> I don't know though. There is a certain satisfaction in toying with
> the Package Contents.

There is indeed, and you'll learn a lot more that way than by
following the rules.

> This is the closest I ever come to hacking.

Far be it from me to rain on your parade. Carry on, dude.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From jiml at netrin.com  Sat Jan  1 15:19:45 2011
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 12:19:45 -0800
Subject: Happy New Year
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1293904802.29753.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1293904802.29753.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A21C6F2E-48C9-4079-B169-97B236C4DEB8@netrin.com>

LiveCoders,

Happy 2011!

Jim Lambert



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Jan  1 15:51:30 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:51:30 -0800
Subject: Happy New Year
In-Reply-To: <A21C6F2E-48C9-4079-B169-97B236C4DEB8@netrin.com>
References: <mailman.3.1293904802.29753.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<A21C6F2E-48C9-4079-B169-97B236C4DEB8@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <4D1F93D2.1040901@pdslabs.net>

Seconded!
Phil Davis


On 1/1/11 12:19 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:
> LiveCoders,
>
> Happy 2011!
>
> Jim Lambert
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan  1 16:36:05 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 23:36:05 +0200
Subject: [OT] Why is Brazil like Bulgaria?
Message-ID: <4D1F9E45.8090702@gmail.com>

mainly, of course, for Andre . . .  :)

Let's think about possible answers:

1. Enormous, out-of-control level of corruption.

2. Truckloads of beggars.

3. Bulgarian communist/terrorist as head of state.

And, you lovely people, the answer is:

All 3!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12103312



From katir at hindu.org  Sat Jan  1 17:26:42 2011
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:26:42 -1000
Subject: Editing locked or List fields
Message-ID: <4D1FAA22.5090505@hindu.org>

  I'm all the time editing locked or list fields or fields where the 
traversal is off.

The "onerous" method is of course to switch to the select tool, double 
click on the fld; choose Contents from the drop down menu, resize the 
window if you need to see more of the contents... edit contents

Before i cook up my own widget, which would not be hard to do, I was 
wondering what do the rest of you do?

OT: is tRev working, bug-free, with the latest versions of LiveCode?

Sivakatirswami






From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Jan  1 17:28:47 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 14:28:47 -0800
Subject: [OT] Why is Brazil like Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <4D1F9E45.8090702@gmail.com>
References: <4D1F9E45.8090702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=xxCscxvjrvPdJNQQa1CiazccQg+B9q4Ekk16N@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe the world needs more socialism and less consumerism and greed to
survive.

Last summer I found this awesome cheese....



On 1 January 2011 13:36, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> mainly, of course, for Andre . . .  :)
>
> Let's think about possible answers:
>
> 1. Enormous, out-of-control level of corruption.
>
> 2. Truckloads of beggars.
>
> 3. Bulgarian communist/terrorist as head of state.
>
> And, you lovely people, the answer is:
>
> All 3!
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12103312
>
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From rev at nonsanity.com  Sat Jan  1 17:29:44 2011
From: rev at nonsanity.com (Nonsanity)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 17:29:44 -0500
Subject: Happy New Year
In-Reply-To: <4D1F93D2.1040901@pdslabs.net>
References: <mailman.3.1293904802.29753.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<A21C6F2E-48C9-4079-B169-97B236C4DEB8@netrin.com>
	<4D1F93D2.1040901@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=LoWcDg7-Z2EdiOXvvnYRwt9bZvu+Mb_y5swvk@mail.gmail.com>

Happy 1293858000!

 ~ Chris Innanen
 ~ Nonsanity


On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> Seconded!
> Phil Davis
>
>
>
> On 1/1/11 12:19 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:
>
>> LiveCoders,
>>
>> Happy 2011!
>>
>> Jim Lambert
>>
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>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>>
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>
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>
>
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From anthonyhowe at me.com  Sat Jan  1 17:51:17 2011
From: anthonyhowe at me.com (Anthony Howe)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 09:51:17 +1100
Subject: Editing locked or List fields
In-Reply-To: <4D1FAA22.5090505@hindu.org>
References: <4D1FAA22.5090505@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <CA2B26DD-CD2E-49C0-A03E-5D6ACE93B45F@me.com>

Heya Sivakatirswami,

I have exactly the same query about text fields. If anyone has a workflow or tool around this, would be great!

On tRev....

I have been using trev (Remo) on osx for the past while. Im finding it a little glitchy in parts (mostly when doing stuff with datagrid it keeps opening revstacks and throwing chunk and object errors) but it's friendly enough for now and I particularly like the linking and object browsing functionality. It also didn't seem to like playing with an installation of enhanceQT plugin i had, but a quick reinstall fixed that.

Hope that helps....

Cheers,
A.



On 02/01/2011, at 9:26 AM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

> I'm all the time editing locked or list fields or fields where the traversal is off.
> 
> The "onerous" method is of course to switch to the select tool, double click on the fld; choose Contents from the drop down menu, resize the window if you need to see more of the contents... edit contents
> 
> Before i cook up my own widget, which would not be hard to do, I was wondering what do the rest of you do?
> 
> OT: is tRev working, bug-free, with the latest versions of LiveCode?
> 
> Sivakatirswami
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sat Jan  1 18:40:00 2011
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:40:00 -0800
Subject: Happy New Year
In-Reply-To: <4D1F93D2.1040901@pdslabs.net>
References: <mailman.3.1293904802.29753.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com><A21C6F2E-48C9-4079-B169-97B236C4DEB8@netrin.com>
	<4D1F93D2.1040901@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <0480981218E34DC9BB4A0BDA621F8CDE@GATEWAY>

Akimashite Omedeto Gozaimasu!

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 

> Seconded!
> Phil Davis
> 
> 
> On 1/1/11 12:19 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:
> > LiveCoders,
> >
> > Happy 2011!
> >
> > Jim Lambert
> >
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage 
> your subscription preferences:
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> >
> 
> --
> Phil Davis
> 
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> 
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From chipp at chipp.com  Sat Jan  1 23:58:43 2011
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 22:58:43 -0600
Subject: Date bug?
Message-ID: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, can anyone try this or tell me why it doesn't work?
If I use any other date than 11/07/2010, it generates the next date. But for
some reason Nov 7 doesn't work?

on mouseUp
   put "11/07/2010" into tDate
   answer nextDayDate(tDate)
end mouseUp

function nextDayDate pDate
   convert pDate to seconds

   put 60*60*24 into tSecondsInDay
   add tSecondsInDay to pDate
   convert pDate to short date
   return pDate
end nextDayDate

-- 
Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.


From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun Jan  2 00:25:32 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:25:32 -0800
Subject: Date bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3591DB28-2FD0-4626-BCEC-F0839F1989B3@cox.net>

Happy New Years, Chipp

I tried a dozen or so dates and they confirmed your findings. Strange. I even changed the short date to the long date and the abbreviated date. What I'd like to know is how did you come across this anomaly. If there is one, there must be more; but which ones. This is potentially dangerous. Hard to be totally confident with LC when something like this occurs. Did you try this with earlier version of Rev?

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>







On Jan 1, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Hey, can anyone try this or tell me why it doesn't work?
> If I use any other date than 11/07/2010, it generates the next date. But for
> some reason Nov 7 doesn't work?
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put "11/07/2010" into tDate
>   answer nextDayDate(tDate)
> end mouseUp
> 
> function nextDayDate pDate
>   convert pDate to seconds
> 
>   put 60*60*24 into tSecondsInDay
>   add tSecondsInDay to pDate
>   convert pDate to short date
>   return pDate
> end nextDayDate
> 
> -- 
> Chipp Walters
> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun Jan  2 00:30:07 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:30:07 -0800
Subject: Date bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C9F390E2-AEE6-4FB8-9CBB-3DC0088C6369@cox.net>

Chipp,

I took it back to 1999 and 1984
 and it works correctly, so must be related to the millennium fixes.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>


On Jan 1, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Hey, can anyone try this or tell me why it doesn't work?
> If I use any other date than 11/07/2010, it generates the next date. But for
> some reason Nov 7 doesn't work?
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put "11/07/2010" into tDate
>   answer nextDayDate(tDate)
> end mouseUp
> 
> function nextDayDate pDate
>   convert pDate to seconds
> 
>   put 60*60*24 into tSecondsInDay
>   add tSecondsInDay to pDate
>   convert pDate to short date
>   return pDate
> end nextDayDate



From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Jan  2 00:40:45 2011
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 23:40:45 -0600
Subject: Date bug?
In-Reply-To: <C9F390E2-AEE6-4FB8-9CBB-3DC0088C6369@cox.net>
References: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>
	<C9F390E2-AEE6-4FB8-9CBB-3DC0088C6369@cox.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik89UAuoeGT2qN94HEo0y5F8-OXawYp4D3uoV2_@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting, it DOES work if you add 3600 to the seconds..not one second
less though: Hmm?

function nextDayDate pDate
   convert pDate to seconds
   put 3600+60*60*24 into tSecondsInDay
   add tSecondsInDay to pDate
   convert pDate to short date
   return pDate
end nextDayDate


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jan  2 00:50:31 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:50:31 -0800
Subject: Date bug?
Message-ID: <4D201227.6040804@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:

> Hey, can anyone try this or tell me why it doesn't work?
> If I use any other date than 11/07/2010, it generates the next date. But for
> some reason Nov 7 doesn't work?
>
> on mouseUp
>    put "11/07/2010" into tDate
>    answer nextDayDate(tDate)
> end mouseUp
>
> function nextDayDate pDate
>    convert pDate to seconds
>
>    put 60*60*24 into tSecondsInDay
>    add tSecondsInDay to pDate
>    convert pDate to short date
>    return pDate
> end nextDayDate

Confirmed here.

Oddly enough, it works well if instead of converting to seconds you 
convert to dateItems, and add 1 to item 3 of that value.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr  Sun Jan  2 03:54:34 2011
From: andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Bisseret?=)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 09:54:34 +0100
Subject: Date bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <252BCD55-0C6D-4FE9-A5E0-28D910ED7C9E@wanadoo.fr>

Bonjour Chipp,

Here, with your script, I get 11/8/10 as expected.

Mac 10.6.5; liveCode 4.5.2

Best regards from Grenoble 

Bonne et heureuse ann?e ? tous

Andr?

Le 2 janv. 2011 ? 05:58, Chipp Walters a ?crit :

> Hey, can anyone try this or tell me why it doesn't work?
> If I use any other date than 11/07/2010, it generates the next date. But for
> some reason Nov 7 doesn't work?
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put "11/07/2010" into tDate
>   answer nextDayDate(tDate)
> end mouseUp
> 
> function nextDayDate pDate
>   convert pDate to seconds
> 
>   put 60*60*24 into tSecondsInDay
>   add tSecondsInDay to pDate
>   convert pDate to short date
>   return pDate
> end nextDayDate
> 
> -- 
> Chipp Walters
> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From jacques.hausser at unil.ch  Sun Jan  2 04:08:51 2011
From: jacques.hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 10:08:51 +0100
Subject: Date bug?
In-Reply-To: <252BCD55-0C6D-4FE9-A5E0-28D910ED7C9E@wanadoo.fr>
References: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>
	<252BCD55-0C6D-4FE9-A5E0-28D910ED7C9E@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <6D15FEB7-8440-4097-B33C-E5C71A6BA89E@unil.ch>

Hello,

Here the answer is OK also. Mac OS 10.6.5 too. I guess the culprit is not LC, but what's behind...

Happy New Year

Jacques

Le 2 janv. 2011 ? 09:54, Andr? Bisseret a ?crit :

> Bonjour Chipp,
> 
> Here, with your script, I get 11/8/10 as expected.
> 
> Mac 10.6.5; liveCode 4.5.2
> 
> Best regards from Grenoble 
> 
> Bonne et heureuse ann?e ? tous
> 
> Andr?
> 
> Le 2 janv. 2011 ? 05:58, Chipp Walters a ?crit :
> 
>> Hey, can anyone try this or tell me why it doesn't work?
>> If I use any other date than 11/07/2010, it generates the next date. But for
>> some reason Nov 7 doesn't work?
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>  put "11/07/2010" into tDate
>>  answer nextDayDate(tDate)
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> function nextDayDate pDate
>>  convert pDate to seconds
>> 
>>  put 60*60*24 into tSecondsInDay
>>  add tSecondsInDay to pDate
>>  convert pDate to short date
>>  return pDate
>> end nextDayDate
>> 
>> -- 
>> Chipp Walters
>> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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******************************************
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Department of Ecology and Evolution
Biophore / Sorge
University of Lausanne
CH 1015 Lausanne
please use my private address:
6 route de Burtigny
CH-1269 Bassins
tel/fax: 	++ 41 22 366 19 40
mobile:	++ 41 79 757 05 24
E-Mail:	jacques.hausser at unil.ch
*******************************************




From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Jan  2 04:38:05 2011
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 03:38:05 -0600
Subject: Date bug?
In-Reply-To: <6D15FEB7-8440-4097-B33C-E5C71A6BA89E@unil.ch>
References: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>
	<252BCD55-0C6D-4FE9-A5E0-28D910ED7C9E@wanadoo.fr>
	<6D15FEB7-8440-4097-B33C-E5C71A6BA89E@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikq24ywdy9ixes29a5RHbCHvmCbVGXpkaDgfOgp@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting.

I wonder if it has anything to do with GMT? I'm -600 and the calc is off by
3600 seconds..? And the folks who are in Europe have no problem with this
script? Maybe Kevin or someone from the mothership can weigh in?


On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Jacques Hausser <jacques.hausser at unil.ch>wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Here the answer is OK also. Mac OS 10.6.5 too. I guess the culprit is not
> LC, but what's behind...
>
> Happy New Year
>
> Jacques
>
> Le 2 janv. 2011 ? 09:54, Andr? Bisseret a ?crit :
>
> > Bonjour Chipp,
> >
> > Here, with your script, I get 11/8/10 as expected.
> >
> > Mac 10.6.5; liveCode 4.5.2
> >
> > Best regards from Grenoble
> >
> > Bonne et heureuse ann?e ? tous
> >
> > Andr?
> >
> > Le 2 janv. 2011 ? 05:58, Chipp Walters a ?crit :
> >
> >> Hey, can anyone try this or tell me why it doesn't work?
> >> If I use any other date than 11/07/2010, it generates the next date. But
> for
> >> some reason Nov 7 doesn't work?
> >>
> >> on mouseUp
> >>  put "11/07/2010" into tDate
> >>  answer nextDayDate(tDate)
> >> end mouseUp
> >>
> >> function nextDayDate pDate
> >>  convert pDate to seconds
> >>
> >>  put 60*60*24 into tSecondsInDay
> >>  add tSecondsInDay to pDate
> >>  convert pDate to short date
> >>  return pDate
> >> end nextDayDate
> >>
> >> --
> >> Chipp Walters
> >> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
> ******************************************
> Prof. Jacques Hausser
> Department of Ecology and Evolution
> Biophore / Sorge
> University of Lausanne
> CH 1015 Lausanne
> please use my private address:
> 6 route de Burtigny
> CH-1269 Bassins
> tel/fax:        ++ 41 22 366 19 40
> mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24
> E-Mail: jacques.hausser at unil.ch
> *******************************************
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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>



-- 
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CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.


From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Sun Jan  2 04:38:44 2011
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 10:38:44 +0100
Subject: A little surprise... and Happy New Year 2011!
In-Reply-To: <1jtsrta.1ed0wxa1eg89jhM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <1jugqqz.1g089myb0kde4M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Medard <liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com> wrote:

> Robert Mann <rman at free.fr> wrote:
> 
> > have a good day, bonne journ?e.. et fetes!
> 
> "I wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year" :-)
> 
> Nonetheless, if Livecode could standardize on UTF-8...

Watching "charset" in the dictionary, it cannot be changed, only read...
The charset is set accordingly to the platform, and is only changed when
the stack is ported to another platform...



From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Sun Jan  2 04:38:44 2011
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 10:38:44 +0100
Subject: A little surprise... and Happy New Year 2011!
In-Reply-To: <1jtsrta.1ed0wxa1eg89jhM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <1jugqqz.1g089myb0kde4M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Medard <liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com> wrote:

> Robert Mann <rman at free.fr> wrote:
> 
> > have a good day, bonne journ?e.. et fetes!
> 
> "I wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year" :-)
> 
> Nonetheless, if Livecode could standardize on UTF-8...

Watching "charset" in the dictionary, it cannot be changed, only read...
The charset is set accordingly to the platform, and is only changed when
the stack is ported to another platform...



From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sun Jan  2 05:35:13 2011
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 02:35:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Date bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikq24ywdy9ixes29a5RHbCHvmCbVGXpkaDgfOgp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>
	<252BCD55-0C6D-4FE9-A5E0-28D910ED7C9E@wanadoo.fr>
	<6D15FEB7-8440-4097-B33C-E5C71A6BA89E@unil.ch>
	<AANLkTikq24ywdy9ixes29a5RHbCHvmCbVGXpkaDgfOgp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1293964513689-3170805.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Chipp,

it is daylight saving that throws things off.

For the people in Europe it is the 31st of october that will not work with
your original code.

As Sarah (who knows all about dates) recomends: always calculate from 12 h
noon for calculating dates.

--------------
on mouseUp 
   put "10/31/2010" into tDate
   convert tDate to dateItems
   put 12 into item 4 of tDate
   answer nextDayDate(tDate) 
end mouseUp 

function nextDayDate pDate 
   ? ?convert pDate to seconds 
   ? ?put 60*60*24 into tSecondsInDay 
   ? ?add tSecondsInDay to pDate 
   ? ?convert pDate to short date 
   ? ?return pDate 
end nextDayDate 
------------------
european version.

Kind regards
Bernd
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Jan  2 08:28:41 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 08:28:41 -0500
Subject: Editing locked or List fields
In-Reply-To: <4D1FAA22.5090505@hindu.org>
References: <4D1FAA22.5090505@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <8D60A76B-B78B-40A8-9730-F052474F4916@gmail.com>

On Jan 1, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> I'm all the time editing locked or list fields or fields where the  
> traversal is off.
>
> The "onerous" method is of course to switch to the select tool,  
> double click on the fld; choose Contents from the drop down menu,  
> resize the window if you need to see more of the contents... edit  
> contents
>
> Before i cook up my own widget, which would not be hard to do, I was  
> wondering what do the rest of you do?
>
> OT: is tRev working, bug-free, with the latest versions of LiveCode?
>
> Sivakatirswami

I use a virtual property:

on mouseup theBtn
    if theBtn = 1 and "field" is in the target and the \
               commandkey is down and the shiftkey is down then
       set the writable of the target to not the writable of the target
    else
       pass mouseup
    end if
end mouseup

setprop writable tf
    if "field" is not in the target then exit writable
    try
       set the locktext of the target to not tf
       set the traversalon of the target to tf
       set the autohilite of the target to tf
       --  catch tError
       --    beep
       --    answer tError
    end try
end writable

getprop writable
    if "field" is not in the target then return ""
    try
       put the locktext of the target into L
       put the traversalon of the target into T
       put the autohilite of the target into A
       if T and A and not L then return true
       return false
    end try
end writable

Put this in a library stack or a frontscript and it will work  
everywhere -- command-shift-click on any field and toggle the writable  
of the field. I use it constantly. You can revise this to just toggle  
the locktext if you work with list fields a lot, so that the usual  
hiliting and line selection are preserved, locked or unlocked.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Jan  2 08:30:20 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 08:30:20 -0500
Subject: Happy New Year
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=LoWcDg7-Z2EdiOXvvnYRwt9bZvu+Mb_y5swvk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1293904802.29753.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<A21C6F2E-48C9-4079-B169-97B236C4DEB8@netrin.com>
	<4D1F93D2.1040901@pdslabs.net>
	<AANLkTi=LoWcDg7-Z2EdiOXvvnYRwt9bZvu+Mb_y5swvk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A9EFD2-6FF7-4351-AA5C-F7B5371D911F@gmail.com>

On Jan 1, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Nonsanity wrote:

> Happy 1293858000!
>
> ~ Chris Innanen
> ~ Nonsanity

LOL!!! Now that's a Happy LC New Year!

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Jan  2 08:34:34 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 08:34:34 -0500
Subject: Date bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <096F7C55-10E3-4694-A743-F161428842AB@gmail.com>

On Jan 1, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Hey, can anyone try this or tell me why it doesn't work?
> If I use any other date than 11/07/2010, it generates the next date.  
> But for
> some reason Nov 7 doesn't work?
>
> on mouseUp
>   put "11/07/2010" into tDate
>   answer nextDayDate(tDate)
> end mouseUp
>
> function nextDayDate pDate
>   convert pDate to seconds
>
>   put 60*60*24 into tSecondsInDay
>   add tSecondsInDay to pDate
>   convert pDate to short date
>   return pDate
> end nextDayDate

I think it is related to the daylight savings shift, that's why it  
works if you add an hour. Here's what I use, to avoid all problems:

function nextDayDate pDate
    convert pDate to dateitems
    add 1 to item 2 of pDate
    convert pDate to short date
    return pDate
end nextDayDate

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Jan  2 08:37:32 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 08:37:32 -0500
Subject: Date bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7FE2AFCA-013B-4F80-BB85-DDCED9166446@gmail.com>

Sorry: item 3 of the dateItems.

On Jan 1, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Hey, can anyone try this or tell me why it doesn't work?
> If I use any other date than 11/07/2010, it generates the next date.  
> But for
> some reason Nov 7 doesn't work?
>
> on mouseUp
>  put "11/07/2010" into tDate
>  answer nextDayDate(tDate)
> end mouseUp
>
> function nextDayDate pDate
>  convert pDate to seconds
>
>  put 60*60*24 into tSecondsInDay
>  add tSecondsInDay to pDate
>  convert pDate to short date
>  return pDate
> end nextDayDate

I think it is related to the daylight savings shift, that's why it  
works if you add an hour. Here's what I use, to avoid all problems:

function nextDayDate pDate
   convert pDate to dateitems
   add 1 to item 3 of pDate ----> correction
   convert pDate to short date
   return pDate
end nextDayDate



From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  2 09:31:44 2011
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 06:31:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: On-Rev Server Access
In-Reply-To: <096F7C55-10E3-4694-A743-F161428842AB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <365308.54485.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I haven't been to the on-rev server for a while and find I can't get in. Here's what I'm trying with Filezilla:

host: taishan.on-rev.com
user: taishan
password: good_password

Of course it might just be me. I'm just wondering if anything has changed in the access procedure.

Wishing everyone a Happy New Year,

Mike



      

From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Jan  2 11:07:31 2011
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 10:07:31 -0600
Subject: Date bug?
In-Reply-To: <1293964513689-3170805.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <AANLkTin6Hhqj9wYFVbAqKr-XnvPkjv2-eXSKAO0hBnMX@mail.gmail.com>
	<252BCD55-0C6D-4FE9-A5E0-28D910ED7C9E@wanadoo.fr>
	<6D15FEB7-8440-4097-B33C-E5C71A6BA89E@unil.ch>
	<AANLkTikq24ywdy9ixes29a5RHbCHvmCbVGXpkaDgfOgp@mail.gmail.com>
	<1293964513689-3170805.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikVOeZKZT=AiYyOnvLtAmJqmDkVgLNYNpW2a33v@mail.gmail.com>

Daylight savings. Ah. Thanks for pointing it out :-)

On Sunday, January 2, 2011, BNig <niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Chipp,
>
> it is daylight saving that throws things off.



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Sun Jan  2 11:43:07 2011
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:43:07 +0100
Subject: On-Rev Server Access
In-Reply-To: <365308.54485.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <365308.54485.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A3E094CC-69E2-4A1B-9E14-F77FA2C1D21F@m-r-d.de>

Michael,

Just use the login form at the top of the page at

http://www.on-rev.com

Regards,

Matthias


Am 02.01.2011 um 15:31 schrieb Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com>:

> I haven't been to the on-rev server for a while and find I can't get in. Here's what I'm trying with Filezilla:
> 
> host: taishan.on-rev.com
> user: taishan
> password: good_password
> 
> Of course it might just be me. I'm just wondering if anything has changed in the access procedure.
> 
> Wishing everyone a Happy New Year,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  2 12:45:17 2011
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 09:45:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: On-Rev Server Access
In-Reply-To: <A3E094CC-69E2-4A1B-9E14-F77FA2C1D21F@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <848012.66046.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Danke

--- On Sun, 1/2/11, Matthias Rebbe <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de> wrote:

From: Matthias Rebbe <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de>
Subject: Re: On-Rev Server Access
To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 10:43 AM

Michael,

Just use the login form at the top of the page at

http://www.on-rev.com

Regards,

Matthias


Am 02.01.2011 um 15:31 schrieb Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com>:

> I haven't been to the on-rev server for a while and find I can't get in. Here's what I'm trying with Filezilla:
> 
> host: taishan.on-rev.com
> user: taishan
> password: good_password
> 
> Of course it might just be me. I'm just wondering if anything has changed in the access procedure.
> 
> Wishing everyone a Happy New Year,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From iangmcknight at gmail.com  Sun Jan  2 13:38:57 2011
From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:38:57 +0000
Subject: How to force a reload of a datastack.
Message-ID: <AANLkTimcBAjBiuzQnHLguck0=cR9x+X3i2gPNCDexDA=@mail.gmail.com>

Hi


Could someone confirm (or otherwise) that what I hope to happen with this
script will indeed happen?

I have a stack loaded into memory at start up. I have exclusive use of it
for a period of time. When the time runs out someone else can use and change
the stack. But I want to use the data stack again - after it has been
changed by someone else but as I haven't quit my program I still have the
'old' version in memory. Will this script force the file to be re-read from
disc?

command openDataFile pName
   --------------------------------------------

   if gWaitingToGoAgainAfterTimeOut = false
   then

-- load the file first time of asking

      put "data/"&pName into tName
      open invisible stack tName

   else

-- stack could have changed
-- clear my old version out of memory
-- and load stack again

      set the destroyStack of stack pName to true
      close stack pName
      open invisible stack tName

   end if
end openDataFile

Thanks for any feedback.

And a Happy New Year to all.


-- 
Regards


Ian McKnight

iangmcknight at gmail.com
=======================


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Jan  2 13:45:48 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 10:45:48 -0800
Subject: How to force a reload of a datastack.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimcBAjBiuzQnHLguck0=cR9x+X3i2gPNCDexDA=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimcBAjBiuzQnHLguck0=cR9x+X3i2gPNCDexDA=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6EABB50C-DFA1-40A2-B7B4-EDBD6DAF6195@tactilemedia.com>

I haven't tested your script but wanted to suggest looking at the "revert" command as I believe this is supposed to force the reload of a stack.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


On Jan 2, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Ian McKnight <iangmcknight at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> 
> Could someone confirm (or otherwise) that what I hope to happen with this
> script will indeed happen?
> 
> I have a stack loaded into memory at start up. I have exclusive use of it
> for a period of time. When the time runs out someone else can use and change
> the stack. But I want to use the data stack again - after it has been
> changed by someone else but as I haven't quit my program I still have the
> 'old' version in memory. Will this script force the file to be re-read from
> disc?
> 
> command openDataFile pName
>   --------------------------------------------
> 
>   if gWaitingToGoAgainAfterTimeOut = false
>   then
> 
> -- load the file first time of asking
> 
>      put "data/"&pName into tName
>      open invisible stack tName
> 
>   else
> 
> -- stack could have changed
> -- clear my old version out of memory
> -- and load stack again
> 
>      set the destroyStack of stack pName to true
>      close stack pName
>      open invisible stack tName
> 
>   end if
> end openDataFile
> 
> Thanks for any feedback.
> 
> And a Happy New Year to all.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Ian McKnight
> 
> iangmcknight at gmail.com
> =======================
> _______________________________________________



From mikekann at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  2 13:53:01 2011
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 10:53:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: On-Rev Server Access
In-Reply-To: <A3E094CC-69E2-4A1B-9E14-F77FA2C1D21F@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <744985.56704.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Matthias,

Thanks for pointing me to the cPanel login form. I got in. Do you know of any change that would keep me from accessing the server from FileZilla? I've always done it before. I'm more used to using that program and need to move a lot of files. 

Thanks,

Mike

--- On Sun, 1/2/11, Matthias Rebbe <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de> wrote:

From: Matthias Rebbe <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de>
Subject: Re: On-Rev Server Access
To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 10:43 AM

Michael,

Just use the login form at the top of the page at

http://www.on-rev.com

Regards,

Matthias


Am 02.01.2011 um 15:31 schrieb Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com>:

> I haven't been to the on-rev server for a while and find I can't get in. Here's what I'm trying with Filezilla:
> 
> host: taishan.on-rev.com
> user: taishan
> password: good_password
> 
> Of course it might just be me. I'm just wondering if anything has changed in the access procedure.
> 
> Wishing everyone a Happy New Year,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan  2 14:02:27 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 13:02:27 -0600
Subject: How to force a reload of a datastack.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimcBAjBiuzQnHLguck0=cR9x+X3i2gPNCDexDA=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimcBAjBiuzQnHLguck0=cR9x+X3i2gPNCDexDA=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D20CBC3.4050903@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/2/11 12:38 PM, Ian McKnight wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> Could someone confirm (or otherwise) that what I hope to happen with this
> script will indeed happen?
>
> I have a stack loaded into memory at start up. I have exclusive use of it
> for a period of time. When the time runs out someone else can use and change
> the stack. But I want to use the data stack again - after it has been
> changed by someone else but as I haven't quit my program I still have the
> 'old' version in memory. Will this script force the file to be re-read from
> disc?
>
> command openDataFile pName
>     --------------------------------------------
>
>     if gWaitingToGoAgainAfterTimeOut = false
>     then
>
> -- load the file first time of asking
>
>        put "data/"&pName into tName
>        open invisible stack tName
>
>     else
>
> -- stack could have changed
> -- clear my old version out of memory
> -- and load stack again
>
>        set the destroyStack of stack pName to true
>        close stack pName
>        open invisible stack tName
>
>     end if
> end openDataFile

It should. But I usually just use the "revert" command, which forces a 
reload without closing the stack.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jan  2 15:22:46 2011
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:22:46 +0000
Subject: On-Rev Server Access
In-Reply-To: <744985.56704.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <744985.56704.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D20DE96.1040706@tweedly.net>

for "host", try using the host name, not your user name.
So instead of
> host: taishan.on-rev.com
> user: taishan
> password: good_password

it should be (something like)
> host: loki.on-rev.com
> user: taishan
> password: good_password
depending on which actual server your account is on.

-- Alex.



On 02/01/2011 18:53, Michael Kann wrote:
> Matthias,
>
> Thanks for pointing me to the cPanel login form. I got in. Do you know of any change that would keep me from accessing the server from FileZilla? I've always done it before. I'm more used to using that program and need to move a lot of files.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Matthias Rebbe<runrev260805 at m-r-d.de>  wrote:
>
> From: Matthias Rebbe<runrev260805 at m-r-d.de>
> Subject: Re: On-Rev Server Access
> To: "How to use LiveCode"<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 10:43 AM
>
> Michael,
>
> Just use the login form at the top of the page at
>
> http://www.on-rev.com
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
> Am 02.01.2011 um 15:31 schrieb Michael Kann<mikekann at yahoo.com>:
>
>> I haven't been to the on-rev server for a while and find I can't get in. Here's what I'm trying with Filezilla:
>>
>> host: taishan.on-rev.com
>> user: taishan
>> password: good_password
>>
>> Of course it might just be me. I'm just wondering if anything has changed in the access procedure.
>>
>> Wishing everyone a Happy New Year,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From iangmcknight at gmail.com  Sun Jan  2 16:04:00 2011
From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:04:00 +0000
Subject: How to force a reload of a datastack.
In-Reply-To: <4D20CBC3.4050903@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AANLkTimcBAjBiuzQnHLguck0=cR9x+X3i2gPNCDexDA=@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D20CBC3.4050903@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=JNcmDgnf0JSkSb86-1hO6Wnoh51CkVbLwr_xB@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I had forgotten about revert - I just thought it was an entry on the File
menu! As my program/app loads a separate data stack which is the one I want
to revert then  would need to do this?

put the defaultstack into myOldStack
set the defaultstack to myDataStack
revert
set the defaultstack to myOldStack


Thanks

On 2 January 2011 19:02, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 1/2/11 12:38 PM, Ian McKnight wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> Could someone confirm (or otherwise) that what I hope to happen with this
>> script will indeed happen?
>>
>> I have a stack loaded into memory at start up. I have exclusive use of it
>> for a period of time. When the time runs out someone else can use and
>> change
>> the stack. But I want to use the data stack again - after it has been
>> changed by someone else but as I haven't quit my program I still have the
>> 'old' version in memory. Will this script force the file to be re-read
>> from
>> disc?
>>
>> command openDataFile pName
>>    --------------------------------------------
>>
>>    if gWaitingToGoAgainAfterTimeOut = false
>>    then
>>
>> -- load the file first time of asking
>>
>>       put "data/"&pName into tName
>>       open invisible stack tName
>>
>>    else
>>
>> -- stack could have changed
>> -- clear my old version out of memory
>> -- and load stack again
>>
>>       set the destroyStack of stack pName to true
>>       close stack pName
>>       open invisible stack tName
>>
>>    end if
>> end openDataFile
>>
>
> It should. But I usually just use the "revert" command, which forces a
> reload without closing the stack.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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-- 
Regards


Ian McKnight

iangmcknight at gmail.com
=======================


From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Sun Jan  2 16:13:26 2011
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:13:26 +0100
Subject: On-Rev Server Access
In-Reply-To: <744985.56704.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <744985.56704.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <33287590-4CE1-43A0-A750-327659A162C8@m-r-d.de>

Michael,

so you have problems to connect via ftp to on-rev? i tried with my account on the loki server with filezilla under mac os x and it works.

So if you cannot access to your server and if it is not the loki server, then i would assume that the ftp daemon is not running on that server. in that case
you should contact  support at  support at on-rev.com with URGENT in the subject line. Urgent take care that support staff is contacted immediately.  They should fix it very quickly. 
Please keep in mind that you should use the URGENT term only for support requests where the server services are not working properly.

If you are also on loki server then i  would assume that there is a problem with your computer.


Regards,

Matthias



Am 02.01.2011 um 19:53 schrieb Michael Kann:

> Matthias,
> 
> Thanks for pointing me to the cPanel login form. I got in. Do you know of any change that would keep me from accessing the server from FileZilla? I've always done it before. I'm more used to using that program and need to move a lot of files. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Matthias Rebbe <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de> wrote:
> 
> From: Matthias Rebbe <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de>
> Subject: Re: On-Rev Server Access
> To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 10:43 AM
> 
> Michael,
> 
> Just use the login form at the top of the page at
> 
> http://www.on-rev.com
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> Am 02.01.2011 um 15:31 schrieb Michael Kann <mikekann at yahoo.com>:
> 
>> I haven't been to the on-rev server for a while and find I can't get in. Here's what I'm trying with Filezilla:
>> 
>> host: taishan.on-rev.com
>> user: taishan
>> password: good_password
>> 
>> Of course it might just be me. I'm just wondering if anything has changed in the access procedure.
>> 
>> Wishing everyone a Happy New Year,
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:38:26 -0800
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Message-ID: <AANLkTikOyhn4AYoSTRH_MFZiug0gea6OCTwAZ4OWeSqS@mail.gmail.com>

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-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Sun Jan  2 18:27:31 2011
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:27:31 +0900
Subject: On-Rev Server Access
In-Reply-To: <365308.54485.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <365308.54485.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D2109E3.6070009@tkf.att.ne.jp>

on my account, my ftp user name needs to be in the form 
"taishan at taishan.on-rev.com" ; is that what is causing your problem?

Tim Selander
Tokyo, japan

On 1/2/11 11:31 PM, Michael Kann wrote:
> I haven't been to the on-rev server for a while and find I can't get in. Here's what I'm trying with Filezilla:
>
> host: taishan.on-rev.com
> user: taishan
> password: good_password
>
> Of course it might just be me. I'm just wondering if anything has changed in the access procedure.
>
> Wishing everyone a Happy New Year,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Jan  2 19:06:17 2011
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:06:17 -0600
Subject: Basic libURL bug?
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=JuGDDWM+WS9jSMtrZyVpDQoVs8vqQ+6=VAxoO@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone confirm this for me?

Create a stack. Add one field and one button.
Set the script of the button to:

on mouseUp
   put ""
   put URL "http://www.widgetgadget.com/stuff/test.log" into fld 1
   put the number of lines in fld 1
end mouseUp

The button downloads a test log with 4558 lines of text.

When I run this I get different results. libURL seems to download different
amounts of the logfile. Is there something I'm doing wrong, or is this a
libURL bug?
(I've tried this from two different servers).

-- 
Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.


From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Jan  2 19:16:16 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 19:16:16 -0500
Subject: Basic libURL bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=JuGDDWM+WS9jSMtrZyVpDQoVs8vqQ+6=VAxoO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=JuGDDWM+WS9jSMtrZyVpDQoVs8vqQ+6=VAxoO@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ED9375E-BF16-4854-A1A1-B9524FC5EB17@verizon.net>

Your test seems puzzling. Running exactly what you gave always gives 4558, but then you talk about libURL, which you haven't used. Is there a different script we're supposed to compare against?





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jan  2 19:17:00 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:17:00 -0800
Subject: Basic libURL bug?
Message-ID: <4D21157C.2060809@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:

> Can anyone confirm this for me?
>
> Create a stack. Add one field and one button.
> Set the script of the button to:
>
> on mouseUp
>    put ""
>    put URL "http://www.widgetgadget.com/stuff/test.log" into fld 1
>    put the number of lines in fld 1
> end mouseUp
>
> The button downloads a test log with 4558 lines of text.
>
> When I run this I get different results. libURL seems to download different
> amounts of the logfile. Is there something I'm doing wrong, or is this a
> libURL bug?
> (I've tried this from two different servers).

Ran it 10 times here - always returns "4558".

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Jan  2 19:19:40 2011
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:19:40 -0600
Subject: Basic libURL bug?
In-Reply-To: <6ED9375E-BF16-4854-A1A1-B9524FC5EB17@verizon.net>
References: <AANLkTi=JuGDDWM+WS9jSMtrZyVpDQoVs8vqQ+6=VAxoO@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ED9375E-BF16-4854-A1A1-B9524FC5EB17@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUjF689GRwRamhHwBJPFqM4kJNSCR57bS8qY6R@mail.gmail.com>

I always believed a get URL call was part of libURL. Isn't it?

Any of you guys running Windows? And what version of LC/Rev?

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> Your test seems puzzling. Running exactly what you gave always gives 4558,
> but then you talk about libURL, which you haven't used. Is there a different
> script we're supposed to compare against?
>
>
>
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CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Jan  2 19:26:40 2011
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:26:40 -0600
Subject: Basic libURL bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikUjF689GRwRamhHwBJPFqM4kJNSCR57bS8qY6R@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=JuGDDWM+WS9jSMtrZyVpDQoVs8vqQ+6=VAxoO@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ED9375E-BF16-4854-A1A1-B9524FC5EB17@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTikUjF689GRwRamhHwBJPFqM4kJNSCR57bS8qY6R@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikYGwaLUgWeBr60ohanjn7xXcXTJm4qaXY0_zQq@mail.gmail.com>

Even more interesting. On my Mac, it returns correctly, just not on my PC.

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> I always believed a get URL call was part of libURL. Isn't it?
>
> Any of you guys running Windows? And what version of LC/Rev?
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Your test seems puzzling. Running exactly what you gave always gives 4558,
>> but then you talk about libURL, which you haven't used. Is there a different
>> script we're supposed to compare against?
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> Chipp Walters
> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.
>
>


-- 
Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan  2 19:34:38 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:34:38 -0800
Subject: Basic libURL bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikYGwaLUgWeBr60ohanjn7xXcXTJm4qaXY0_zQq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=JuGDDWM+WS9jSMtrZyVpDQoVs8vqQ+6=VAxoO@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ED9375E-BF16-4854-A1A1-B9524FC5EB17@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTikUjF689GRwRamhHwBJPFqM4kJNSCR57bS8qY6R@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikYGwaLUgWeBr60ohanjn7xXcXTJm4qaXY0_zQq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70220706593.20110102163438@ahsoftware.net>

Chipp-

Sunday, January 2, 2011, 4:26:40 PM, you wrote:

> Even more interesting. On my Mac, it returns correctly, just not on my PC.

Yep. I can verify that here. Returns 4558 every time on OSX. On XP I'm
getting different results. Sometimes 4558, sometimes 0 (I added a "put
the result into field 2" and sometimes find interesting things there:
"error No Header received"), I've gotten 1583, 3675...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Jan  2 19:39:48 2011
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:39:48 -0600
Subject: Basic libURL bug?
In-Reply-To: <70220706593.20110102163438@ahsoftware.net>
References: <AANLkTi=JuGDDWM+WS9jSMtrZyVpDQoVs8vqQ+6=VAxoO@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ED9375E-BF16-4854-A1A1-B9524FC5EB17@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTikUjF689GRwRamhHwBJPFqM4kJNSCR57bS8qY6R@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikYGwaLUgWeBr60ohanjn7xXcXTJm4qaXY0_zQq@mail.gmail.com>
	<70220706593.20110102163438@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7GZZvxU7FvD5WZzQ9jViHEvK8awi7nGb46-=4@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mark,

According to Chris, when he checks the log files, he's finding an error
corresponding to the socket doesn't exist anymore.

I'm off to implement my put URL's in cURL, unless someone has a fix.

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Chipp-
>
> Sunday, January 2, 2011, 4:26:40 PM, you wrote:
>
> > Even more interesting. On my Mac, it returns correctly, just not on my
> PC.
>
> Yep. I can verify that here. Returns 4558 every time on OSX. On XP I'm
> getting different results. Sometimes 4558, sometimes 0 (I added a "put
> the result into field 2" and sometimes find interesting things there:
> "error No Header received"), I've gotten 1583, 3675...
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
>
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  2 20:46:25 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:46:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Happy New Year
In-Reply-To: <A21C6F2E-48C9-4079-B169-97B236C4DEB8@netrin.com>
References: <A21C6F2E-48C9-4079-B169-97B236C4DEB8@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <1294019185487-3171478.post@n4.nabble.com>


I wish a great good year
for RunRev Ltd. and
every developer in this
platform. 

My top item in wish list for
this Development platform 
is a Librarian who could
write code. Just one. 

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OAuth-td3087738.html#a3087968

Best from your friend in GMT-4
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/gmt-4/

Alejandro


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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Sun Jan  2 21:12:17 2011
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 02:12:17 +0000
Subject: Basic libURL bug?
In-Reply-To: <70220706593.20110102163438@ahsoftware.net>
References: <AANLkTi=JuGDDWM+WS9jSMtrZyVpDQoVs8vqQ+6=VAxoO@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ED9375E-BF16-4854-A1A1-B9524FC5EB17@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTikUjF689GRwRamhHwBJPFqM4kJNSCR57bS8qY6R@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikYGwaLUgWeBr60ohanjn7xXcXTJm4qaXY0_zQq@mail.gmail.com>
	<70220706593.20110102163438@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <63F6429C-CFE5-441E-BB88-94B2DC334F98@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 3 Jan 2011, at 00:34, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Chipp-
> 
> Sunday, January 2, 2011, 4:26:40 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> Even more interesting. On my Mac, it returns correctly, just not on my PC.
> 
> Yep. I can verify that here. Returns 4558 every time on OSX. On XP I'm
> getting different results. Sometimes 4558, sometimes 0 (I added a "put
> the result into field 2" and sometimes find interesting things there:
> "error No Header received"), I've gotten 1583, 3675...


I'm also seeing strange results on Windows. 

At first it seemed like random quantities of data were being received, but now it seems "stable" and consistently receives 207169 bytes of data (out of 1079427).

Some stranger stuff... 

I tried to trace what was happening in libUrl. (edit script of button "revLibUrl" of stack "revLibrary")

In the libUrl script there is a handler named ulDoProcessLength. The start of this handler looks like this, except for the two "DEBUG" lines I added. If you uncomment these, they will output into a field that you can set with libUrlSetLogField.

on ulDoProcessLength x,y
   local tStatus
   ##normal http case
   if y <> empty then
      ulStoreData laUrl[x],y
      add length(y) to laReadBytes[laUrl[x]]
      //ulLogIt laReadBytes[laUrl[x]] & "," & length(y) & cr //DEBUG 1 -ADDED BY ME
   end if
   
   if laReadBytes[laUrl[x]] >= laLength[laUrl[x]] then
      put "true" into laStatus[laUrl[x]]
      //ulLogIt  laReadBytes[laUrl[x]] & ", " &  laLength[laUrl[x]] & "," & length(y) &  cr //DEBUG 2 - ADDED BY ME
      if char 1 of laStatusCode[laUrl[x]] = 2 then ##in 200 range--OK
         if laFile[laUrl[x]] is empty then
            put "cached" into tStatus
         else
            put "downloaded" into tStatus
         end if

If I uncomment the first DEBUG line, all the data gets downloaded. This seems to be consistent. Not sure what this means, but at a guess, I'd say the short time used to log the data is allowing LC to read properly from the socket.

But stranger still...

If I uncomment the second debug line (and comment the first one), it outputs this in the log field:

207169, 1079427,1440

Given the condition in the "if" line, this should be impossible. 

Maybe I've had too much sherry over the holiday, so if someone would like to try and see if they see the same it would be interesting.

One question, Chipp. Is there anything in the data that might "upset" LC and therefore cause stange comparison results?

Cheers
Dave








From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Jan  2 21:27:29 2011
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 20:27:29 -0600
Subject: Basic libURL bug?
In-Reply-To: <63F6429C-CFE5-441E-BB88-94B2DC334F98@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <AANLkTi=JuGDDWM+WS9jSMtrZyVpDQoVs8vqQ+6=VAxoO@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ED9375E-BF16-4854-A1A1-B9524FC5EB17@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTikUjF689GRwRamhHwBJPFqM4kJNSCR57bS8qY6R@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikYGwaLUgWeBr60ohanjn7xXcXTJm4qaXY0_zQq@mail.gmail.com>
	<70220706593.20110102163438@ahsoftware.net>
	<63F6429C-CFE5-441E-BB88-94B2DC334F98@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikFv0e+ym-ZyZvrp6YXXrqsFPVn0tVH8rjo5CoK@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,

It's just a standard IIS logfile from a server. There's nothing funny about
it. In fact, I cut/pasted it into a text file and uploaded it to the server
it's on right now, so as to keep Chris from hollering at me! (It had the
problem on our server as well).

Do you suggest I add the debug line you mention, or is there something
'better' to do for now?

TIA,
C

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Dave Cragg <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk>wrote:

>
> On 3 Jan 2011, at 00:34, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> > Chipp-
> >
> > Sunday, January 2, 2011, 4:26:40 PM, you wrote:
> >
> >> Even more interesting. On my Mac, it returns correctly, just not on my
> PC.
> >
> > Yep. I can verify that here. Returns 4558 every time on OSX. On XP I'm
> > getting different results. Sometimes 4558, sometimes 0 (I added a "put
> > the result into field 2" and sometimes find interesting things there:
> > "error No Header received"), I've gotten 1583, 3675...
>
>
> I'm also seeing strange results on Windows.
>
> At first it seemed like random quantities of data were being received, but
> now it seems "stable" and consistently receives 207169 bytes of data (out of
> 1079427).
>
> Some stranger stuff...
>
> I tried to trace what was happening in libUrl. (edit script of button
> "revLibUrl" of stack "revLibrary")
>
> In the libUrl script there is a handler named ulDoProcessLength. The start
> of this handler looks like this, except for the two "DEBUG" lines I added.
> If you uncomment these, they will output into a field that you can set with
> libUrlSetLogField.
>
> on ulDoProcessLength x,y
>   local tStatus
>   ##normal http case
>   if y <> empty then
>      ulStoreData laUrl[x],y
>      add length(y) to laReadBytes[laUrl[x]]
>      //ulLogIt laReadBytes[laUrl[x]] & "," & length(y) & cr //DEBUG 1
> -ADDED BY ME
>   end if
>
>   if laReadBytes[laUrl[x]] >= laLength[laUrl[x]] then
>      put "true" into laStatus[laUrl[x]]
>      //ulLogIt  laReadBytes[laUrl[x]] & ", " &  laLength[laUrl[x]] & "," &
> length(y) &  cr //DEBUG 2 - ADDED BY ME
>      if char 1 of laStatusCode[laUrl[x]] = 2 then ##in 200 range--OK
>         if laFile[laUrl[x]] is empty then
>            put "cached" into tStatus
>         else
>            put "downloaded" into tStatus
>         end if
>
> If I uncomment the first DEBUG line, all the data gets downloaded. This
> seems to be consistent. Not sure what this means, but at a guess, I'd say
> the short time used to log the data is allowing LC to read properly from the
> socket.
>
> But stranger still...
>
> If I uncomment the second debug line (and comment the first one), it
> outputs this in the log field:
>
> 207169, 1079427,1440
>
> Given the condition in the "if" line, this should be impossible.
>
> Maybe I've had too much sherry over the holiday, so if someone would like
> to try and see if they see the same it would be interesting.
>
> One question, Chipp. Is there anything in the data that might "upset" LC
> and therefore cause stange comparison results?
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>



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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jan  2 21:45:27 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 18:45:27 -0800
Subject: Basic libURL bug?
Message-ID: <4D213847.8060308@fourthworld.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:

> I'm also seeing strange results on Windows.

FWIW I just ran some additional tests on Ubuntu, and there I'm getting 
the same good result as on OS X.

Since the libURL code in question isn't branching by OS, what could make 
this issue OS-specific?

--
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  Fourth World
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  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Sun Jan  2 21:59:34 2011
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 02:59:34 +0000
Subject: Basic libURL bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikFv0e+ym-ZyZvrp6YXXrqsFPVn0tVH8rjo5CoK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=JuGDDWM+WS9jSMtrZyVpDQoVs8vqQ+6=VAxoO@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ED9375E-BF16-4854-A1A1-B9524FC5EB17@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTikUjF689GRwRamhHwBJPFqM4kJNSCR57bS8qY6R@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikYGwaLUgWeBr60ohanjn7xXcXTJm4qaXY0_zQq@mail.gmail.com>
	<70220706593.20110102163438@ahsoftware.net>
	<63F6429C-CFE5-441E-BB88-94B2DC334F98@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<AANLkTikFv0e+ym-ZyZvrp6YXXrqsFPVn0tVH8rjo5CoK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <122F2923-848D-4960-91D6-FD65342B5C94@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 3 Jan 2011, at 02:27, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Dave,
> 
> It's just a standard IIS logfile from a server. There's nothing funny about
> it. In fact, I cut/pasted it into a text file and uploaded it to the server
> it's on right now, so as to keep Chris from hollering at me! (It had the
> problem on our server as well).
> 
> Do you suggest I add the debug line you mention, or is there something
> 'better' to do for now?

Not sure, Chipp. It's not clear whether we're all seeing exactly the same thing or not. 

Two suggestions for now:

1.  In the libUrl script where I added the DEBUG 1 line, add this instead:

    wait 15 milliseconds with messages

This works here. But it fails if I set it to 10 milliseconds. (But I guess this will slow the total download by a number of seconds, so it's a bit of a desperate fix.) 

2.  set the httpHeaders to "Connection: close"

I was seeing socket errors sometimes (perhaps similar to what Mark reported) when retrying the script. I think the error on the socket probably occurred on the previous try, but for some reason, the error isn't being seen by LC and it is trying to re-use the faulty (or already closed) socket on subsequent calls. Setting the connection header will force the socket to get closed on completion and LC will automatically open a fresh socket for subsequent calls. So not a fix as such, but it may help to reduce some of the consequential effects. 


Dave


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Jan  2 22:11:12 2011
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:11:12 -0600
Subject: Basic libURL bug?
In-Reply-To: <122F2923-848D-4960-91D6-FD65342B5C94@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <AANLkTi=JuGDDWM+WS9jSMtrZyVpDQoVs8vqQ+6=VAxoO@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ED9375E-BF16-4854-A1A1-B9524FC5EB17@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTikUjF689GRwRamhHwBJPFqM4kJNSCR57bS8qY6R@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikYGwaLUgWeBr60ohanjn7xXcXTJm4qaXY0_zQq@mail.gmail.com>
	<70220706593.20110102163438@ahsoftware.net>
	<63F6429C-CFE5-441E-BB88-94B2DC334F98@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<AANLkTikFv0e+ym-ZyZvrp6YXXrqsFPVn0tVH8rjo5CoK@mail.gmail.com>
	<122F2923-848D-4960-91D6-FD65342B5C94@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2bWYdwKTaaA+mEsRL1F5KJc+16vU1Y4cMLLUB@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,
Per your advice, this seems to work more often, but not always. I'll try the
delay next.

on mouseUp
   put ""
   set the httpHeaders to "Connection: close"
   put URL "http://www.widgetgadget.com/stuff/test.log" into fld 1
   put the number of lines in fld 1
end mouseUp

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Dave Cragg <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk>wrote:

>
> On 3 Jan 2011, at 02:27, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
> > Dave,
> >
> > It's just a standard IIS logfile from a server. There's nothing funny
> about
> > it. In fact, I cut/pasted it into a text file and uploaded it to the
> server
> > it's on right now, so as to keep Chris from hollering at me! (It had the
> > problem on our server as well).
> >
> > Do you suggest I add the debug line you mention, or is there something
> > 'better' to do for now?
>
> Not sure, Chipp. It's not clear whether we're all seeing exactly the same
> thing or not.
>
> Two suggestions for now:
>
> 1.  In the libUrl script where I added the DEBUG 1 line, add this instead:
>
>    wait 15 milliseconds with messages
>
> This works here. But it fails if I set it to 10 milliseconds. (But I guess
> this will slow the total download by a number of seconds, so it's a bit of a
> desperate fix.)
>
> 2.  set the httpHeaders to "Connection: close"
>
> I was seeing socket errors sometimes (perhaps similar to what Mark
> reported) when retrying the script. I think the error on the socket probably
> occurred on the previous try, but for some reason, the error isn't being
> seen by LC and it is trying to re-use the faulty (or already closed) socket
> on subsequent calls. Setting the connection header will force the socket to
> get closed on completion and LC will automatically open a fresh socket for
> subsequent calls. So not a fix as such, but it may help to reduce some of
> the consequential effects.
>
>
> Dave
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Jan  2 22:15:06 2011
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:15:06 -0600
Subject: Basic libURL bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik2bWYdwKTaaA+mEsRL1F5KJc+16vU1Y4cMLLUB@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=JuGDDWM+WS9jSMtrZyVpDQoVs8vqQ+6=VAxoO@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ED9375E-BF16-4854-A1A1-B9524FC5EB17@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTikUjF689GRwRamhHwBJPFqM4kJNSCR57bS8qY6R@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikYGwaLUgWeBr60ohanjn7xXcXTJm4qaXY0_zQq@mail.gmail.com>
	<70220706593.20110102163438@ahsoftware.net>
	<63F6429C-CFE5-441E-BB88-94B2DC334F98@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<AANLkTikFv0e+ym-ZyZvrp6YXXrqsFPVn0tVH8rjo5CoK@mail.gmail.com>
	<122F2923-848D-4960-91D6-FD65342B5C94@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<AANLkTik2bWYdwKTaaA+mEsRL1F5KJc+16vU1Y4cMLLUB@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikHFCoE93nR5-7nT_ipGuGKLt+fUvK1N7rwSORc@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,

BTW, I'm using REv 4.0 and libURL 1.1.6. The ulDoProcessLength handler is
not the same as the one you show. Where should I put the delay?

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> Dave,
> Per your advice, this seems to work more often, but not always. I'll try
> the delay next.
>
> on mouseUp
>    put ""
>    set the httpHeaders to "Connection: close"
>    put URL "http://www.widgetgadget.com/stuff/test.log" into fld 1
>    put the number of lines in fld 1
> end mouseUp
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Dave Cragg <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk>wrote:
>
>>
>> On 3 Jan 2011, at 02:27, Chipp Walters wrote:
>>
>> > Dave,
>> >
>> > It's just a standard IIS logfile from a server. There's nothing funny
>> about
>> > it. In fact, I cut/pasted it into a text file and uploaded it to the
>> server
>> > it's on right now, so as to keep Chris from hollering at me! (It had the
>> > problem on our server as well).
>> >
>> > Do you suggest I add the debug line you mention, or is there something
>> > 'better' to do for now?
>>
>> Not sure, Chipp. It's not clear whether we're all seeing exactly the same
>> thing or not.
>>
>> Two suggestions for now:
>>
>> 1.  In the libUrl script where I added the DEBUG 1 line, add this instead:
>>
>>    wait 15 milliseconds with messages
>>
>> This works here. But it fails if I set it to 10 milliseconds. (But I guess
>> this will slow the total download by a number of seconds, so it's a bit of a
>> desperate fix.)
>>
>> 2.  set the httpHeaders to "Connection: close"
>>
>> I was seeing socket errors sometimes (perhaps similar to what Mark
>> reported) when retrying the script. I think the error on the socket probably
>> occurred on the previous try, but for some reason, the error isn't being
>> seen by LC and it is trying to re-use the faulty (or already closed) socket
>> on subsequent calls. Setting the connection header will force the socket to
>> get closed on completion and LC will automatically open a fresh socket for
>> subsequent calls. So not a fix as such, but it may help to reduce some of
>> the consequential effects.
>>
>>
>> Dave
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Chipp Walters
> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.
>
>


-- 
Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Jan  2 22:22:32 2011
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:22:32 -0600
Subject: Basic libURL bug?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikHFCoE93nR5-7nT_ipGuGKLt+fUvK1N7rwSORc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=JuGDDWM+WS9jSMtrZyVpDQoVs8vqQ+6=VAxoO@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ED9375E-BF16-4854-A1A1-B9524FC5EB17@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTikUjF689GRwRamhHwBJPFqM4kJNSCR57bS8qY6R@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikYGwaLUgWeBr60ohanjn7xXcXTJm4qaXY0_zQq@mail.gmail.com>
	<70220706593.20110102163438@ahsoftware.net>
	<63F6429C-CFE5-441E-BB88-94B2DC334F98@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<AANLkTikFv0e+ym-ZyZvrp6YXXrqsFPVn0tVH8rjo5CoK@mail.gmail.com>
	<122F2923-848D-4960-91D6-FD65342B5C94@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<AANLkTik2bWYdwKTaaA+mEsRL1F5KJc+16vU1Y4cMLLUB@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikHFCoE93nR5-7nT_ipGuGKLt+fUvK1N7rwSORc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=k5SRKpeYfThxiEZj6pBMpNLJY3FZo4ZppLqNL@mail.gmail.com>

OOPS my bad. Didn't read it correctly. I've added the pause and things seem
to work again. Hurray

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> BTW, I'm using REv 4.0 and libURL 1.1.6. The ulDoProcessLength handler is
> not the same as the one you show. Where should I put the delay?
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>> Per your advice, this seems to work more often, but not always. I'll try
>> the delay next.
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>    put ""
>>    set the httpHeaders to "Connection: close"
>>    put URL "http://www.widgetgadget.com/stuff/test.log" into fld 1
>>    put the number of lines in fld 1
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Dave Cragg <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 3 Jan 2011, at 02:27, Chipp Walters wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dave,
>>> >
>>> > It's just a standard IIS logfile from a server. There's nothing funny
>>> about
>>> > it. In fact, I cut/pasted it into a text file and uploaded it to the
>>> server
>>> > it's on right now, so as to keep Chris from hollering at me! (It had
>>> the
>>> > problem on our server as well).
>>> >
>>> > Do you suggest I add the debug line you mention, or is there something
>>> > 'better' to do for now?
>>>
>>> Not sure, Chipp. It's not clear whether we're all seeing exactly the same
>>> thing or not.
>>>
>>> Two suggestions for now:
>>>
>>> 1.  In the libUrl script where I added the DEBUG 1 line, add this
>>> instead:
>>>
>>>    wait 15 milliseconds with messages
>>>
>>> This works here. But it fails if I set it to 10 milliseconds. (But I
>>> guess this will slow the total download by a number of seconds, so it's a
>>> bit of a desperate fix.)
>>>
>>> 2.  set the httpHeaders to "Connection: close"
>>>
>>> I was seeing socket errors sometimes (perhaps similar to what Mark
>>> reported) when retrying the script. I think the error on the socket probably
>>> occurred on the previous try, but for some reason, the error isn't being
>>> seen by LC and it is trying to re-use the faulty (or already closed) socket
>>> on subsequent calls. Setting the connection header will force the socket to
>>> get closed on completion and LC will automatically open a fresh socket for
>>> subsequent calls. So not a fix as such, but it may help to reduce some of
>>> the consequential effects.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
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>>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chipp Walters
>> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Chipp Walters
> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.
>
>


-- 
Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan  2 23:06:36 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 20:06:36 -0800
Subject: Basic libURL bug?
In-Reply-To: <4D213847.8060308@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D213847.8060308@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <144233424609.20110102200636@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Sunday, January 2, 2011, 6:45:27 PM, you wrote:

> Since the libURL code in question isn't branching by OS, what could make
> this issue OS-specific?

Well, there's sockets and there's sockets. Linux and OSX share the
same sort of underlying library layer, so I'm not surprised they both
act reasonably. Windows, I'm always surprised when the dang thing
works at all.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From andrew at rjdfarm.com  Mon Jan  3 02:36:57 2011
From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 23:36:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [OT] Some pretty JS
Message-ID: <1294040217011-3171640.post@n4.nabble.com>


I was looking at some of these javascript controls. I have the desire to
implement some of these with revServer. :)

http://dhtmlx.com/docs/products/dhtmlxDataView/index.shtml
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Jan  3 02:50:49 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 23:50:49 -0800
Subject: Windows ControlKeys not working
Message-ID: <46CAD73C-5B0A-4EA7-94F2-E16039BFBB88@cox.net>

Anyone know what special little thing needs to be done so that the ControlKeys work for windows apps? (4.5.2) Studio on Snow Leopard

Ctrl+4, for example is set up in the Go Menu to go last cd, and the menu selection does just that; however pressing the ControlKey and number 4 does nothing; in fact, none of the menu short-cuts work as they should. I have both CommandKeyDown and ControlKeyDown handlers in the stacks' scripts. Any ideas?

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>









From katir at hindu.org  Mon Jan  3 04:49:00 2011
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 23:49:00 -1000
Subject: Editing locked or List fields
In-Reply-To: <8D60A76B-B78B-40A8-9730-F052474F4916@gmail.com>
References: <4D1FAA22.5090505@hindu.org>
	<8D60A76B-B78B-40A8-9730-F052474F4916@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D219B8C.3000802@hindu.org>

  Aloha Peter:

Now this what i call a Prime New Year gift!

Sweet.

And, yes, I do work a lot with list fields  and to make lists editable I 
had to add this to your script

       set the listBehavior of the target to not tf

but then this toggles all fields to listbehavior when locked... . so it 
required more....

the problem is you can determine if a field has listbehavior when it is 
set, but if you turn listbehavior off, then one needs a way to preserve 
the fact that this is a list field, even when it's listbehavior is off.

So I added a custom prop to list fields so that they maintain their list 
property thru the editing session.   Perhaps there is a better way, but 
this works:

by adding this to your setProp handler

       if the listbehavior of the target is true then
          set the uList of the target to true
       end if
       if the uList of target = true then
          set the listBehavior of the target to not tf
       end if




On 1/2/11 3:28 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
>
> I use a virtual property:
>
> on mouseup theBtn
>    if theBtn = 1 and "field" is in the target and the \
>               commandkey is down and the shiftkey is down then
>       set the writable of the target to not the writable of the target
>    else
>       pass mouseup
>    end if
> end mouseup
>
> setprop writable tf
>    if "field" is not in the target then exit writable
>    try
       if the listbehavior of the target is true then
          set the uList of the target to true
       end if
       if the uList of target = true then
          set the listBehavior of the target to not tf
       end if
>       set the locktext of the target to not tf
>       set the traversalon of the target to tf
>       set the autohilite of the target to tf
       set the listBehavior of the target to not tf # required for list 
fields
>       --  catch tError
>       --    beep
>       --    answer tError
>    end try
> end writable
>
> getprop writable
>    if "field" is not in the target then return ""
>    try
>       put the locktext of the target into L
>       put the traversalon of the target into T
>       put the autohilite of the target into A
>       if T and A and not L then return true
>       return false
>    end try
> end writable
>
> Put this in a library stack or a frontscript and it will work 
> everywhere -- command-shift-click on any field and toggle the writable 
> of the field. I use it constantly. You can revise this to just toggle 
> the locktext if you work with list fields a lot, so that the usual 
> hiliting and line selection are preserved, locked or unlocked.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig 




From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Mon Jan  3 06:43:41 2011
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:43:41 +0100
Subject: On-Rev Server Access
Message-ID: <752C4E26-BE3A-413A-971A-55C64479FE64@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

I used Filezilla, (now I use CyberDuck) to load my HTML pages
to my on-Rev server.

Sometimes, when I uploaded .php files, I had "perms" problems,
that is, when I entered my .php files (for password control),
my .php file was displayed on screen, and then froze.

I solved the problem by :

Using cPanel File Manager to upload my .php files
or
resetting the incorrect perms in cPanel.

However, File Manager seemed to take eons to upload
anything but simple html files, which is why I use
Cyberduck whenever I can.

Now, I don't know why I had problems, but sometimes
we solve problems by successive blundering ... :>)

FWIW

Happy New Year to all.

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !" 



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 07:32:05 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 07:32:05 -0500
Subject: Editing locked or List fields
In-Reply-To: <4D219B8C.3000802@hindu.org>
References: <4D1FAA22.5090505@hindu.org>
	<8D60A76B-B78B-40A8-9730-F052474F4916@gmail.com>
	<4D219B8C.3000802@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <BC58BF10-7353-4AF5-89F7-E9D039854F4E@gmail.com>


On Jan 3, 2011, at 4:49 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Aloha Peter:
>
> Now this what i call a Prime New Year gift!
>
> Sweet.
>
> And, yes, I do work a lot with list fields  and to make lists  
> editable I had to add this to your script
>
>      set the listBehavior of the target to not tf
>
> but then this toggles all fields to listbehavior when locked... . so  
> it required more....
>
> the problem is you can determine if a field has listbehavior when it  
> is set, but if you turn listbehavior off, then one needs a way to  
> preserve the fact that this is a list field, even when it's  
> listbehavior is off.
>
> So I added a custom prop to list fields so that they maintain their  
> list property thru the editing session.   Perhaps there is a better  
> way, but this works:
>
> by adding this to your setProp handler
>
>      if the listbehavior of the target is true then
>         set the uList of the target to true
>      end if
>      if the uList of target = true then
>         set the listBehavior of the target to not tf
>      end if

Nice. I'm revising my library handlers accordingly, since I will  
probably by using list fields in the future.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 10:46:50 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:46:50 -0500
Subject: Editing locked or List fields
In-Reply-To: <4D219B8C.3000802@hindu.org>
References: <4D1FAA22.5090505@hindu.org>
	<8D60A76B-B78B-40A8-9730-F052474F4916@gmail.com>
	<4D219B8C.3000802@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <03F3230D-97D9-4F35-BD3B-33FFDADC79A5@gmail.com>

A problem, though -- see below

On Jan 3, 2011, at 4:49 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Aloha Peter:
>
> Now this what i call a Prime New Year gift!
>
> Sweet.
>
> And, yes, I do work a lot with list fields  and to make lists  
> editable I had to add this to your script
>
>      set the listBehavior of the target to not tf
>
> but then this toggles all fields to listbehavior when locked... . so  
> it required more....
>
> the problem is you can determine if a field has listbehavior when it  
> is set, but if you turn listbehavior off, then one needs a way to  
> preserve the fact that this is a list field, even when it's  
> listbehavior is off.
>
> So I added a custom prop to list fields so that they maintain their  
> list property thru the editing session.   Perhaps there is a better  
> way, but this works:
>
> by adding this to your setProp handler
>
>      if the listbehavior of the target is true then
>         set the uList of the target to true
>      end if
>      if the uList of target = true then
>         set the listBehavior of the target to not tf
>      end if
>
>
>
>
> On 1/2/11 3:28 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
>>
>> I use a virtual property:
>>
>> on mouseup theBtn
>>   if theBtn = 1 and "field" is in the target and the \
>>              commandkey is down and the shiftkey is down then
>>      set the writable of the target to not the writable of the target
>>   else
>>      pass mouseup
>>   end if
>> end mouseup
>>
>> setprop writable tf
>>   if "field" is not in the target then exit writable
>>   try
>      if the listbehavior of the target is true then
>         set the uList of the target to true
>      end if
>      if the uList of target = true then
>         set the listBehavior of the target to not tf
>      end if
>>      set the locktext of the target to not tf
>>      set the traversalon of the target to tf
>>      set the autohilite of the target to tf
>      set the listBehavior of the target to not tf # required for  
> list fields

The line above will set the listbehavior of all fields to true when  
setting the writable to false, and it's not necessary.

>>      --  catch tError
>>      --    beep
>>      --    answer tError
>>   end try
>> end writable
>>
>> getprop writable
>>   if "field" is not in the target then return ""
>>   try
>>      put the locktext of the target into L
>>      put the traversalon of the target into T
>>      put the autohilite of the target into A
>>      if T and A and not L then return true
>>      return false
>>   end try
>> end writable
>>
>> Put this in a library stack or a frontscript and it will work  
>> everywhere -- command-shift-click on any field and toggle the  
>> writable of the field. I use it constantly. You can revise this to  
>> just toggle the locktext if you work with list fields a lot, so  
>> that the usual hiliting and line selection are preserved, locked or  
>> unlocked.
>>
>> -- Peter
>>
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

So we have then:

setprop writable tf
    if "field" is not in the target then exit writable
    try
       if the listbehavior of the target is true then -- *** see below
          set the uListBehav of the target to true -- *** see below
       end if -- *** see below
       if the uListBehav of the target = true then
          set the listBehavior of the target to not tf
       end if
       set the locktext of the target to not tf
       set the traversalon of the target to tf
       set the autohilite of the target to tf
    end try
end writable

getprop writable
    if "field" is not in the target then return ""
    try
       put the locktext of the target into L
       put the traversalon of the target into T
       put the autohilite of the target into A
       if T and A and not L then return true
       return false
    end try
end writable

on mouseup theBtn
    if theBtn = 1 and "field" is in the target and the \
               commandkey is down and the shiftkey is down then
       set the writable of the target to not the writable of the target
    else
       pass mouseup
    end if
end mouseup

But you have to add the mouserelease handler below, since clicking on  
a blank line of a list field doesn't send mouseup, it sends  
mouserelease instead.

on mouserelease theBtn
    if theBtn = 1 and "field" is in the target and the \
               commandkey is down and the shiftkey is down then
       set the writable of the target to not the writable of the target
    else
       pass mouserelease
    end if
end mouserelease

The only problem with the final result is that if you set the  
listbehavior of a field to true, then toggle the writable, then set  
the listbehavior of the field to false, it is still flagged in the  
customprop as being a list field, and when you toggle writable again  
it will revert to being a list field again. So you have to delete the  
customprop by hand to get it to behave correctly. This could be solved  
with a preopencard handler as follows:

on preopencard
    if "field" is not in the target then pass preopencard
    repeat with n = 1 to the number of fields
       set the uListBehav of the target to \
                the listbehavior of the target
    end repeat
end preopencard

then take out the starred lines in the setprop handler, since the  
fields start out being labeled before you touch them.

This is getting quite baroque in its complexity, but if you work with  
list fields a lot it might be worth the hassle. I think I will just  
ignore the list field wrinkles in my stacks, since I only have one  
list field that I use and I rarely have to edit its contents.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Jan  3 11:47:45 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:47:45 -0800
Subject: As Sheet Dialog
Message-ID: <2C9F74E1-9A4B-47DA-8791-9436C81CA66D@cox.net>

Please, anyone...
In my current app I'm attempting to mitigate the very small text dialogs that appear in the Windows' version of applications by rolling my own. Some Dialogs such as the page setup present some major challenges to doing this, but with others it's not really much of a problem; however, I would like the ones that I do create make their appearance as sheets. Can that be done? Also... I'm not using stacks for these Dialogs. I'm just creating Text fields with overlying buttons. The problem with this is that I need to implement a method by which these "Dialogs" can be modal in behavior. I am doing that by including a mouseUp handler in the stack script that requires certain activity when a given item is visible. Anyone have a better method of doing this? Is there something already built in that does this?

TIA,
Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>









From rev at nonsanity.com  Mon Jan  3 12:04:01 2011
From: rev at nonsanity.com (Nonsanity)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:04:01 -0500
Subject: As Sheet Dialog
In-Reply-To: <2C9F74E1-9A4B-47DA-8791-9436C81CA66D@cox.net>
References: <2C9F74E1-9A4B-47DA-8791-9436C81CA66D@cox.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=S2HkCJMBnEaJtAS+=HNvjN5-PC870TdZ8Y9tg@mail.gmail.com>

Modal as in not being able to interact with any of the other controls on the
stack? Making a stack-sized invisible button (or lightly tinted and
transparent, even) just behind your psudo-dialog would prevent that. For
menus and other stacks, you'd have to add additional code - swap the full
menus for a smaller set with just what's allowed when the modal is up, hide
other stack windows...

Or just make a stack for the dialog with a custom frame and appearance and
use it as a normal modal dialog.

Back in the Hypercard days, I used a locked, transparent text field with
show lines turned on and a linesize of 2. This created a grid of dots over
the background that couldn't be clicked through. Ah, the fun of 1-bit
graphics...

 ~ Chris Innanen
 ~ Nonsanity


On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

> Please, anyone...
> In my current app I'm attempting to mitigate the very small text dialogs
> that appear in the Windows' version of applications by rolling my own. Some
> Dialogs such as the page setup present some major challenges to doing this,
> but with others it's not really much of a problem; however, I would like the
> ones that I do create make their appearance as sheets. Can that be done?
> Also... I'm not using stacks for these Dialogs. I'm just creating Text
> fields with overlying buttons. The problem with this is that I need to
> implement a method by which these "Dialogs" can be modal in behavior. I am
> doing that by including a mouseUp handler in the stack script that requires
> certain activity when a given item is visible. Anyone have a better method
> of doing this? Is there something already built in that does this?
>
> TIA,
> Joe Lewis Wilkins
> Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
> <www.glsysinc.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Mon Jan  3 12:08:21 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:08:21 +0100
Subject: As Sheet Dialog
In-Reply-To: <2C9F74E1-9A4B-47DA-8791-9436C81CA66D@cox.net>
References: <2C9F74E1-9A4B-47DA-8791-9436C81CA66D@cox.net>
Message-ID: <23D9ACDD-5524-4430-BC89-27DC6EFBD0B2@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Joe,

> Please, anyone...
> In my current app I'm attempting to mitigate the very small text dialogs that appear in the Windows' version of applications by rolling my own. Some Dialogs such as the page setup present some major challenges to doing this, but with others it's not really much of a problem; however, I would like the ones that I do create make their appearance as sheets. Can that be done? Also... I'm not using stacks for these Dialogs. I'm just creating Text fields with overlying buttons. The problem with this is that I need to implement a method by which these "Dialogs" can be modal in behavior. I am doing that by including a mouseUp handler in the stack script that requires certain activity when a given item is visible. Anyone have a better method of doing this? Is there something already built in that does this?

I would show a filled graphic, no border, ink set to NOOP and the script:
on mouseup
  beep
end mouseup
BEHIND your "sheet" group but in front of your card.

Know what I mean?

> TIA,
> Joe Lewis Wilkins
> Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Jan  3 12:30:05 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:30:05 -0800
Subject: As Sheet Dialog
In-Reply-To: <23D9ACDD-5524-4430-BC89-27DC6EFBD0B2@major.on-rev.com>
References: <2C9F74E1-9A4B-47DA-8791-9436C81CA66D@cox.net>
	<23D9ACDD-5524-4430-BC89-27DC6EFBD0B2@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <74FE476F-F2DF-4AD2-BE63-AB25FCF1C2F4@cox.net>

Interesting thoughts, Klaus.

Thanks,

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>







On Jan 3, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> 
>> Please, anyone...
>> In my current app I'm attempting to mitigate the very small text dialogs that appear in the Windows' version of applications by rolling my own. Some Dialogs such as the page setup present some major challenges to doing this, but with others it's not really much of a problem; however, I would like the ones that I do create make their appearance as sheets. Can that be done? Also... I'm not using stacks for these Dialogs. I'm just creating Text fields with overlying buttons. The problem with this is that I need to implement a method by which these "Dialogs" can be modal in behavior. I am doing that by including a mouseUp handler in the stack script that requires certain activity when a given item is visible. Anyone have a better method of doing this? Is there something already built in that does this?
> 
> I would show a filled graphic, no border, ink set to NOOP and the script:
> on mouseup
>  beep
> end mouseup
> BEHIND your "sheet" group but in front of your card.
> 
> Know what I mean?
> 
>> TIA,
>> Joe Lewis Wilkins
>> Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 
> 
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Jan  3 12:34:47 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:34:47 -0800
Subject: As Sheet Dialog
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=S2HkCJMBnEaJtAS+=HNvjN5-PC870TdZ8Y9tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2C9F74E1-9A4B-47DA-8791-9436C81CA66D@cox.net>
	<AANLkTi=S2HkCJMBnEaJtAS+=HNvjN5-PC870TdZ8Y9tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2CEE490-830C-4D3B-8731-1B3F54C8BA9E@cox.net>

Thanks, Chris

I'm rethinking my entire approach to this. Probably going back to a modal stack for some, leaving the others as fields that I move up under the Title Bar so they appear as sheets. Maybe use some visual effect to emulate how sheets appear. Yes, we did do some interesting things with HC. (sigh!)

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>







On Jan 3, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Nonsanity wrote:

> Modal as in not being able to interact with any of the other controls on the
> stack? Making a stack-sized invisible button (or lightly tinted and
> transparent, even) just behind your psudo-dialog would prevent that. For
> menus and other stacks, you'd have to add additional code - swap the full
> menus for a smaller set with just what's allowed when the modal is up, hide
> other stack windows...
> 
> Or just make a stack for the dialog with a custom frame and appearance and
> use it as a normal modal dialog.
> 
> Back in the Hypercard days, I used a locked, transparent text field with
> show lines turned on and a linesize of 2. This created a grid of dots over
> the background that couldn't be clicked through. Ah, the fun of 1-bit
> graphics...
> 
> ~ Chris Innanen
> ~ Nonsanity
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
> 
>> Please, anyone...
>> In my current app I'm attempting to mitigate the very small text dialogs
>> that appear in the Windows' version of applications by rolling my own. Some
>> Dialogs such as the page setup present some major challenges to doing this,
>> but with others it's not really much of a problem; however, I would like the
>> ones that I do create make their appearance as sheets. Can that be done?
>> Also... I'm not using stacks for these Dialogs. I'm just creating Text
>> fields with overlying buttons. The problem with this is that I need to
>> implement a method by which these "Dialogs" can be modal in behavior. I am
>> doing that by including a mouseUp handler in the stack script that requires
>> certain activity when a given item is visible. Anyone have a better method
>> of doing this? Is there something already built in that does this?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Joe Lewis Wilkins
>> Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
>> <www.glsysinc.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Mon Jan  3 12:36:43 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:36:43 -0800
Subject: As Sheet Dialog
In-Reply-To: <2C9F74E1-9A4B-47DA-8791-9436C81CA66D@cox.net>
References: <2C9F74E1-9A4B-47DA-8791-9436C81CA66D@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4D22092B.6020308@comcast.net>

What about placing everything that will be behind your dialog into a 
group, then disable the group when showing the dialog and enabling it 
when it closes?

Marty Knapp
> Please, anyone...
> In my current app I'm attempting to mitigate the very small text dialogs that appear in the Windows' version of applications by rolling my own. Some Dialogs such as the page setup present some major challenges to doing this, but with others it's not really much of a problem; however, I would like the ones that I do create make their appearance as sheets. Can that be done? Also... I'm not using stacks for these Dialogs. I'm just creating Text fields with overlying buttons. The problem with this is that I need to implement a method by which these "Dialogs" can be modal in behavior. I am doing that by including a mouseUp handler in the stack script that requires certain activity when a given item is visible. Anyone have a better method of doing this? Is there something already built in that does this?
>
> TIA,
> Joe Lewis Wilkins
> Architect&  Director of Product Development for GSI
> <www.glsysinc.com>



From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Jan  3 12:47:08 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:47:08 -0800
Subject: As Sheet Dialog
In-Reply-To: <4D22092B.6020308@comcast.net>
References: <2C9F74E1-9A4B-47DA-8791-9436C81CA66D@cox.net>
	<4D22092B.6020308@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BEF6B0A8-0512-4F4E-B4D6-7BFB283285D6@cox.net>

Marty,
Your concept has a lot of potential if it works fast enough, which normally shouldn't be a problem. Should be much better than polling other activities. Not sure how it might impact other stack activity such as arrow and command keys.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>







On Jan 3, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Marty Knapp wrote:

> What about placing everything that will be behind your dialog into a group, then disable the group when showing the dialog and enabling it when it closes?
> 
> Marty Knapp
>> Please, anyone...
>> In my current app I'm attempting to mitigate the very small text dialogs that appear in the Windows' version of applications by rolling my own. Some Dialogs such as the page setup present some major challenges to doing this, but with others it's not really much of a problem; however, I would like the ones that I do create make their appearance as sheets. Can that be done? Also... I'm not using stacks for these Dialogs. I'm just creating Text fields with overlying buttons. The problem with this is that I need to implement a method by which these "Dialogs" can be modal in behavior. I am doing that by including a mouseUp handler in the stack script that requires certain activity when a given item is visible. Anyone have a better method of doing this? Is there something already built in that does this?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Joe Lewis Wilkins
>> Architect&  Director of Product Development for GSI
>> <www.glsysinc.com>
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan  3 12:59:02 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:59:02 -0600
Subject: As Sheet Dialog
In-Reply-To: <4D22092B.6020308@comcast.net>
References: <2C9F74E1-9A4B-47DA-8791-9436C81CA66D@cox.net>
	<4D22092B.6020308@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4D220E66.10600@hyperactivesw.com>

> In my current app I'm attempting to mitigate the very small text
> dialogs that appear in the Windows' version of applications by rolling
> my own. Some Dialogs such as the page setup present some major
> challenges to doing this, but with others it's not really much of a
>> problem; however, I would like the ones that I do create make their
> appearance as sheets. Can that be done?

A couple of points: the dialogs will be the same size as the customer is 
used to, because they are pulled from the OS directly. They probably 
will not appear small to your users, they will look like every other 
app's dialogs.

Second, sheets are a Mac-only feature. For those Windows users who have 
a gut-level aversion to anything Mac (and there are plenty of those,) 
you may offend by implementing a sheet window. Most users want their 
software to conform to the interface that is standard for their 
operating system, and software is usually judged by how well it does 
that. If you mess up their expected interface, they'll scream "this is a 
Mac port!", just as Mac users turn up their noses at software that is 
obviously ported from Windows.

The more you allow the OS to manage your windows and interface elements, 
the better your software will be perceived by its users. Another big 
advantage is that LiveCode does all the work and you don't have to worry 
about how your windows and buttons look, LiveCode will take care of all 
that.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Jan  3 13:18:31 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:18:31 -0800
Subject: As Sheet Dialog
In-Reply-To: <4D220E66.10600@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <2C9F74E1-9A4B-47DA-8791-9436C81CA66D@cox.net>
	<4D22092B.6020308@comcast.net> <4D220E66.10600@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <63E2B327-E808-4277-8601-9F70398680A3@cox.net>

Jacqui,

I appreciate ALL of your comments. The problem is that I want my application to be as Mac-Like as possible, since the standard Window's implementations are really bad. It's more important that the user be able to SEE and READ what I'm presenting than to conform to other Window's applications. I've taken all of this into consideration. I think we've bowed to M$ far too long. I don't plan to do so any longer. Yeah, I'm bull-headed in this respect. Lose sales because of it? I think not. The users will rave at how much easier to use it is; and ON their PCs! Window's Dialogs are their very WORST feature. What I'm doing looks great. If I get complaints, I'll deal with them; even look forward to them! (smile) I've fought the Mac vs PC battle for about 25 years. Those miscreants that didn't stick with their Macs are starting to come back. And the gut-level aversion to which you refer is more likely "Mac-envy Denial".

Thanks as always!

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>


On Jan 3, 2011, at 9:59 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

>> In my current app I'm attempting to mitigate the very small text
>> dialogs that appear in the Windows' version of applications by rolling
>> my own. Some Dialogs such as the page setup present some major
>> challenges to doing this, but with others it's not really much of a
>>> problem; however, I would like the ones that I do create make their
>> appearance as sheets. Can that be done?
> 
> A couple of points: the dialogs will be the same size as the customer is used to, because they are pulled from the OS directly. They probably will not appear small to your users, they will look like every other app's dialogs.
> 
> Second, sheets are a Mac-only feature. For those Windows users who have a gut-level aversion to anything Mac (and there are plenty of those,) you may offend by implementing a sheet window. Most users want their software to conform to the interface that is standard for their operating system, and software is usually judged by how well it does that. If you mess up their expected interface, they'll scream "this is a Mac port!", just as Mac users turn up their noses at software that is obviously ported from Windows.
> 
> The more you allow the OS to manage your windows and interface elements, the better your software will be perceived by its users. Another big advantage is that LiveCode does all the work and you don't have to worry about how your windows and buttons look, LiveCode will take care of all that.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  3 14:06:34 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:06:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: As Sheet Dialog
In-Reply-To: <4D22092B.6020308@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <213890.35997.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I would go for this approach as well - for the simple reason that it avoids 'traversalOn' issues where the user could still 'tab' to a control and then press the 'space' or 'return' key to activate a button.
Plus, disabled controls look slightly different, and combined with an opaque 'overlay' graphic that has a blendLevel of 80 or so, you can even set its background colour to convey a difference between regular (white), warning (orange) and error (red) situations and questions.
Two years ago, I used this approach in a Java Swing application, and people appreciated it a lot - even if it was Mac-like UI element seeping into a Windows/Unix environment.

Just my 2 cents,

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


--- On Mon, 1/3/11, Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net> wrote:
> What about placing everything that
> will be behind your dialog into a group, then disable the
> group when showing the dialog and enabling it when it
> closes?
> 
> Marty Knapp
> > Please, anyone...
> > In my current app I'm attempting to mitigate the very
> small text dialogs that appear in the Windows' version of
> applications by rolling my own. Some Dialogs such as the
> page setup present some major challenges to doing this, but
> with others it's not really much of a problem; however, I
> would like the ones that I do create make their appearance
> as sheets. Can that be done? Also... I'm not using stacks
> for these Dialogs. I'm just creating Text fields with
> overlying buttons. The problem with this is that I need to
> implement a method by which these "Dialogs" can be modal in
> behavior. I am doing that by including a mouseUp handler in
> the stack script that requires certain activity when a given
> item is visible. Anyone have a better method of doing this?
> Is there something already built in that does this?
> > 
> > TIA,
> > Joe Lewis Wilkins
> > Architect&? Director of Product Development
> for GSI
> > <www.glsysinc.com>
> 
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon Jan  3 15:19:49 2011
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:19:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [OT] A GREAT Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikOyhn4AYoSTRH_MFZiug0gea6OCTwAZ4OWeSqS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikOyhn4AYoSTRH_MFZiug0gea6OCTwAZ4OWeSqS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1294085989809-3172564.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi,

I know Sequel and I use every day, it's really good. I also recommend it.

Salut,
Josep
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jan  3 15:20:10 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:20:10 -0800
Subject: As Sheet Dialog
Message-ID: <4D222F7A.8050507@fourthworld.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> I appreciate ALL of your comments. The problem is that I want my
> application to be as Mac-Like as possible, since the standard
> Window's implementations are really bad. It's more important that
> the user be able to SEE and READ what I'm presenting than to conform
> to other Window's applications.

What is it about having the box separate from the window that makes it 
hard to read?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Jan  3 15:59:55 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:59:55 -0800
Subject: As Sheet Dialog
In-Reply-To: <4D222F7A.8050507@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D222F7A.8050507@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <40488A33-A815-4C58-A69C-34EDD0A05A3D@cox.net>

Hi Richard,

Thanks for chiming in. The size and case of the text. More and more senior citizens use computers and many have vision problems as acute or worse than my own. For instance, the LC splash screen cannot be read by me due to the colors that are used, which is even worse than the often, small text sizes.

Actually, the program I'm currently creating is for the purpose of evaluating ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) issues; something that has become a major source of litigation with property owners. The regulations are quite complex. Big bucks are being exchanged, particularly here in California, but it is a Nation-wide issue as well. As our population grows older and we have more and more disabled service people returning to civilian life, it is VERY important that we address these issues EVERYWHERE. Apple has done a pretty good job. M$ has not kept pace. If I were using a PC, I'd have to shut my doors. This, incidentally, is not just my opinion. Lawyers are charging huge fees for confronting property owners with lack of compliance. There is a new "ambulance chasing" mentality in the legal professions.
 
Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>







On Jan 3, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> 
>> I appreciate ALL of your comments. The problem is that I want my
>> application to be as Mac-Like as possible, since the standard
>> Window's implementations are really bad. It's more important that
>> the user be able to SEE and READ what I'm presenting than to conform
>> to other Window's applications.
> 
> What is it about having the box separate from the window that makes it hard to read?
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
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From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Mon Jan  3 16:23:41 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:23:41 +0000
Subject: [OT] A GREAT Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <1294085989809-3172564.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <AANLkTikOyhn4AYoSTRH_MFZiug0gea6OCTwAZ4OWeSqS@mail.gmail.com>
	<1294085989809-3172564.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1C10AE59-A13B-4B91-8F21-B7779D4EF571@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

...can anyone recommend anything similar for Postgresql admin?

On 3 Jan 2011, at 20:19, JosepM wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I know Sequel and I use every day, it's really good. I also recommend it.
> 
> Salut,
> Josep
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-A-GREAT-Mac-Cocoa-MYSQL-tool-Donationware-tp3171341p3172564.html
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jan  3 17:02:56 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:02:56 -0800
Subject: As Sheet Dialog
Message-ID: <4D224790.50102@fourthworld.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

 > Hi Richard,
 >
 > Thanks for chiming in. The size and case of the text. More and more
 > senior citizens use computers and many have vision problems as acute
 > or worse than my own.

Good news:  Windows provides a built-in means for users to adjust their 
font sizes system-wide.  Now that I'm over 40 I wish Mac had that as 
well.  It's really handy, and I think you'll find most folks with 
suboptimal vision have taken a moment with their control panel to adjust 
their settings to fit their vision.  Those that haven't should:  it's 
built in exactly for that reason, and only takes a couple seconds to change.

Bad news:  Rev has no built-in way to accommodate the user's font size 
settings.  You can, however, get the registry setting for that and 
adjust your layout accordingly.  If that becomes a desirable option for 
you I'd be happy to look up the reg key.


 > For instance, the LC splash screen cannot be read by me due to the
 > colors that are used, which is even worse than the often, small text
 > sizes.

Study after study has shown that white on black is somewhere between 
difficult and painful for readers of all ages.  Too bad it's gotten a 
rep for looking cool, since an ever-increasing variety of sites, UIs, 
and even printed materials use that motif, while our ocular physiology 
hasn't evolved at the same rate to make it any less of a bad idea. ;)

--
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  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Jan  3 17:35:22 2011
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:35:22 -0800
Subject: [OT] A GREAT Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <1C10AE59-A13B-4B91-8F21-B7779D4EF571@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <AANLkTikOyhn4AYoSTRH_MFZiug0gea6OCTwAZ4OWeSqS@mail.gmail.com><1294085989809-3172564.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1C10AE59-A13B-4B91-8F21-B7779D4EF571@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1224E236B65F4850B964A3D5632B993D@GATEWAY>

> ...can anyone recommend anything similar for Postgresql admin?

I don't have a timetable yet, but Postgre is probably the next foreign db
that will get supported with Valentina Studio.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Jan  3 17:37:46 2011
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:37:46 -0800
Subject: Quicktime VR Replacement in LiveCode?
Message-ID: <0AE1B9B1009742AF866B9461930C3CDB@GATEWAY>

Hi all,

I find the state of Quicktime VR to be saddening. It seems like there are
oodles of solutions for dealing with panoramas and various VR formats
(cubes, etc) with Flash, but I was wondering if someone has come up with a
solution for LiveCode. Anyone know? Anyone care? :-) Just thinking, it might
be possible to do a sort of skydome thing in Franklin 3D but I wonder if
just for working with photos there wouldn't be an easier way.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Proactive International, LLC

- Because it is about who you know.(tm)
http://www.proactive-intl.com 




From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Jan  3 17:41:21 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:41:21 -0500
Subject: Quicktime VR Replacement in LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <0AE1B9B1009742AF866B9461930C3CDB@GATEWAY>
References: <0AE1B9B1009742AF866B9461930C3CDB@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <D8066184-C9E5-44AE-B74D-9CD8B17637FD@verizon.net>


On Jan 3, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Just thinking, it might
> be possible to do a sort of skydome thing in Franklin 3D but I wonder if
> just for working with photos there wouldn't be an easier way.

Even with Franklin you would want to do a sky box and not a dome. For doing it elsewhere (certainly in Flash or Director using 2D tricks), you need to be able to distort the original rectangle into an arbitrary quadrangle. I don't know if LC can do that.





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jan  3 17:49:15 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:49:15 -0800
Subject: Quicktime VR Replacement in LiveCode?
Message-ID: <4D22526B.4040301@fourthworld.com>

Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> I find the state of Quicktime VR to be saddening. It seems like there are
> oodles of solutions for dealing with panoramas and various VR formats
> (cubes, etc) with Flash, but I was wondering if someone has come up with a
> solution for LiveCode. Anyone know? Anyone care? :-) Just thinking, it might
> be possible to do a sort of skydome thing in Franklin 3D but I wonder if
> just for working with photos there wouldn't be an easier way.

For the relatively few systems with QuickTime installed, LiveCode's 
support for QTVR is pretty good - see the node-related properties in the 
Dictionary.

It's nice, but the small number of QT installs on the 89% that run 
Windows, and the complete absence of QT on Linux, make it increasingly a 
non-starter for most projects here.

I don't do much professionally with QTVR, but I have enjoyed it as a 
hobby and am interested in seeing where this discussion leads.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Jan  3 17:54:23 2011
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:54:23 -0800
Subject: Quicktime VR Replacement in LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <D8066184-C9E5-44AE-B74D-9CD8B17637FD@verizon.net>
References: <0AE1B9B1009742AF866B9461930C3CDB@GATEWAY>
	<D8066184-C9E5-44AE-B74D-9CD8B17637FD@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <82CD746713F84FC5A11020C2C30AF8AF@GATEWAY>

> > Just thinking, it might
> > be possible to do a sort of skydome thing in Franklin 3D 
> but I wonder 
> > if just for working with photos there wouldn't be an easier way.
> 
> Even with Franklin you would want to do a sky box and not a 
> dome. For doing it elsewhere (certainly in Flash or Director 
> using 2D tricks), you need to be able to distort the original 
> rectangle into an arbitrary quadrangle. I don't know if LC 
> can do that.

It seems to me that it would require an external. My company is preping a
major update to Shade, and there's this big selection of sky box / pano
types it supports that Id otherwise export to Quicktime VR (I hate the fact
that we have to warn Mac users to install the older Quicktime to export to
Quicktime VR...).

I guess a skybox stack type would be totally unreasonable - then stacks
would be like infinite onions - very Lewis Carroll :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Proactive International, LLC

- Because it is about who you know.(tm)
http://www.proactive-intl.com 




From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Jan  3 18:08:34 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:08:34 -0800
Subject: As Sheet Dialog
In-Reply-To: <4D224790.50102@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D224790.50102@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BB45FAB5-5A16-4D55-A895-9D128A2852DC@cox.net>

Richard, I made that adjustment sometime back. It still is smaller than what I prefer. Maybe that's because I'm running XP under Fusion.

My preference is Black on white. The gray on gray that is fairly prevalent is maybe the worse.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>


On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Good news:  Windows provides a built-in means for users to adjust their font sizes system-wide.  Now that I'm over 40 I wish Mac had that as well.  It's really handy, and I think you'll find most folks with suboptimal vision have taken a moment with their control panel to adjust their settings to fit their vision.  Those that haven't should:  it's built in exactly for that reason, and only takes a couple seconds to change.



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Jan  3 19:10:17 2011
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 18:10:17 -0600
Subject: Receive eHome infrared signals
Message-ID: <4D226569.5080907@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Has anyone had any luck working with eHome Infrared Signals on Windows
7, Vista or XP MCE?

I would like to be able to build a app that can be navigated and
controlled via a Windows Media Center Remote.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/




From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Mon Jan  3 20:13:21 2011
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:13:21 -0800
Subject: As Sheet Dialog
In-Reply-To: <213890.35997.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <213890.35997.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8384A894-613A-4B0E-AA62-6624670AD8C0@elementarysoftware.com>

Hello Joe,

I use this approach for "fake sheet" implementations, too.  One thing to watch for:   enabling the group once you have dismissed the "fake sheet" will enable *ALL*  the controls in the group... including controls that might have been disabled before the sheet appeared.  One way to handle this is to loop through all the controls and record any that are disabled before showing the sheet.  That way you can restore it correctly after dismissing the sheet.

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
------------------------------------------------------





On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:06 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> I would go for this approach as well - for the simple reason that it avoids 'traversalOn' issues where the user could still 'tab' to a control and then press the 'space' or 'return' key to activate a button.
> Plus, disabled controls look slightly different, and combined with an opaque 'overlay' graphic that has a blendLevel of 80 or so, you can even set its background colour to convey a difference between regular (white), warning (orange) and error (red) situations and questions.
> Two years ago, I used this approach in a Java Swing application, and people appreciated it a lot - even if it was Mac-like UI element seeping into a Windows/Unix environment.
> 
> Just my 2 cents,
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
> www.quartam.com
> 
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net> wrote:
>> What about placing everything that
>> will be behind your dialog into a group, then disable the
>> group when showing the dialog and enabling it when it
>> closes?
>> 
>> Marty Knapp
>>> Please, anyone...
>>> In my current app I'm attempting to mitigate the very
>> small text dialogs that appear in the Windows' version of
>> applications by rolling my own. Some Dialogs such as the
>> page setup present some major challenges to doing this, but
>> with others it's not really much of a problem; however, I
>> would like the ones that I do create make their appearance
>> as sheets. Can that be done? Also... I'm not using stacks
>> for these Dialogs. I'm just creating Text fields with
>> overlying buttons. The problem with this is that I need to
>> implement a method by which these "Dialogs" can be modal in
>> behavior. I am doing that by including a mouseUp handler in
>> the stack script that requires certain activity when a given
>> item is visible. Anyone have a better method of doing this?
>> Is there something already built in that does this?
>>> 
>>> TIA,
>>> Joe Lewis Wilkins
>>> Architect&  Director of Product Development
>> for GSI
>>> <www.glsysinc.com>
>> 
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From wow at together.net  Tue Jan  4 05:36:34 2011
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 05:36:34 -0500
Subject: Mac App Store compliance
In-Reply-To: <4D222F7A.8050507@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D222F7A.8050507@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4D22F832.8080205@together.net>

Could someone please list the (primary) issues developers need to pay 
attention to in order to make Mac apps compliant with the new store?

I have a Mac app I've been selling for years. It uses a non-standard 
interface. It also auto-updates when it first starts.

Is it problematic to simply submit it to Apple and have them detail the 
items that need to be adjusted, or is that a good way to go?

Thanks.
Richard Miller



From curry at pair.com  Tue Jan  4 07:41:10 2011
From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:41:10 -0600
Subject: ANN: WordReport 1.0 release and introductory sale
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5988.1294048147.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.5988.1294048147.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D231566.90402@pair.com>

I'm happy to announce the 1.0 release of WordReport. This library lets 
your LiveCode stacks crank out MS Word and OpenOffice reports of any 
kind: business documents, contractor invoices, real-estate flyers, mail 
merge, product catalogs, software data reports, educational worksheets, 
band concert posters, customer service letters, or whatever else you 
dream up. (In fact, the demo stack includes sample code and templates 
for three of those scenarios.)

You create a formatted template with data insertion tags, save it, and 
then insert your data from within LiveCode to create reports. WordReport 
is self-contained and doesn't need any word processing software to 
create reports, but you'll need MS Word or OpenOffice to create the 
templates. The demo stack will get you off to a quick start exploring 
capabilities, and a friendly User Guide explains everything.

The library handles images as well as text and has other advanced 
features such as loops and optional context marking. It handles Unicode 
and as a bonus, in addition to the unlimited formatting in your 
template, you can include basic styles within your export data for extra 
emphasis on the fly. It does headers and footers too. And tables. (And 
number formatting with commas if you need it.) Everything you need to 
make customers and clients happy with great-looking reports, while 
improving your own back office workflow too.

To celebrate this release (finally!) I'm offering WordReport on sale at 
a very special introductory price for 10 days. Get it while it's low! 
This is a power tool for saving time and producing great documents in 
all kinds of practical scenarios.

http://curryk.com/wordreport.html

(A hearty thanks to the beta testers also. And for those interested in 
news about WordOut, the export library, a beta has been available for 
some time, email me if you wish to try it. I'll be finishing it up as 
time allows, and as promised, those who purchase WordLib at full price 
before the WordOut release will receive an export library discount.)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy
--
WordLib: Import MS Word and OpenOffice documents
http://curryk.com/wordlib.html

WordReport: Template-driven MS Word and OpenOffice reports,
from invoices and worksheets to catalogs and mail merge
http://curryk.com/wordreport.html

Need custom software development or RunRev help?
http://curryk.com/consulting/



From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan  4 08:45:29 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:45:29 -0200
Subject: ANN: WordReport 1.0 release and introductory sale
In-Reply-To: <4D231566.90402@pair.com>
References: <mailman.5988.1294048147.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<4D231566.90402@pair.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=6_uksR8OBJh6Fe8MksEEp4Mdhosdg6+Ot+7Me@mail.gmail.com>

is there a bundle of wordreport and wordlib?

(I can't remember if I bought wordlib or not...)

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Curry Kenworthy <curry at pair.com> wrote:

> I'm happy to announce the 1.0 release of WordReport. This library lets your
> LiveCode stacks crank out MS Word and OpenOffice reports of any kind:
> business documents, contractor invoices, real-estate flyers, mail merge,
> product catalogs, software data reports, educational worksheets, band
> concert posters, customer service letters, or whatever else you dream up.
> (In fact, the demo stack includes sample code and templates for three of
> those scenarios.)
>
> You create a formatted template with data insertion tags, save it, and then
> insert your data from within LiveCode to create reports. WordReport is
> self-contained and doesn't need any word processing software to create
> reports, but you'll need MS Word or OpenOffice to create the templates. The
> demo stack will get you off to a quick start exploring capabilities, and a
> friendly User Guide explains everything.
>
> The library handles images as well as text and has other advanced features
> such as loops and optional context marking. It handles Unicode and as a
> bonus, in addition to the unlimited formatting in your template, you can
> include basic styles within your export data for extra emphasis on the fly.
> It does headers and footers too. And tables. (And number formatting with
> commas if you need it.) Everything you need to make customers and clients
> happy with great-looking reports, while improving your own back office
> workflow too.
>
> To celebrate this release (finally!) I'm offering WordReport on sale at a
> very special introductory price for 10 days. Get it while it's low! This is
> a power tool for saving time and producing great documents in all kinds of
> practical scenarios.
>
> http://curryk.com/wordreport.html
>
> (A hearty thanks to the beta testers also. And for those interested in news
> about WordOut, the export library, a beta has been available for some time,
> email me if you wish to try it. I'll be finishing it up as time allows, and
> as promised, those who purchase WordLib at full price before the WordOut
> release will receive an export library discount.)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Curry Kenworthy
> --
> WordLib: Import MS Word and OpenOffice documents
> http://curryk.com/wordlib.html
>
> WordReport: Template-driven MS Word and OpenOffice reports,
> from invoices and worksheets to catalogs and mail merge
> http://curryk.com/wordreport.html
>
> Need custom software development or RunRev help?
> http://curryk.com/consulting/
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan  4 10:17:17 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 07:17:17 -0800
Subject: Mac App Store compliance
Message-ID: <4D2339FD.8030508@fourthworld.com>

Richard Miller wrote:

> Could someone please list the (primary) issues developers need to pay
> attention to in order to make Mac apps compliant with the new store?

Prohibited items include self-updating (even though iTunes itself does 
that), and non-standard GUI elements (even though iTunes itself does 
that too).  You're also not allowed to let the user try your product 
before purchasing, but that's not something LC can address.

One user in the LC forums has noted that his app was rejected because 
his document windows don't darken the close dot to indicate unsaved 
changes.    This has been noted in the RQCC, but I've not heard from RR 
as to when this will be addressed.

Elsewhere Jan Schenkel has noted that toolbars such as the attractive 
implementation in Trevor's ScreenSteps can't currently be implemented in 
a truly HIG-savvy fashion, and that's been flagged as an enhancement 
request in the RQCC as well.

A good toolbar implementation also requires other related details, such 
as sheet positioning and adding a standard Toolbar button.

We'll also need some means of integrating with Apple's reg system, since 
you're not allowed to manage that yourself.  It would be helpful if 
others here who've dealt with it can tell us what's needed to support that.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From curry at pair.com  Tue Jan  4 10:31:13 2011
From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 09:31:13 -0600
Subject: ANN: WordReport 1.0 release and introductory sale
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5988.1294048147.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.5988.1294048147.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D233D41.1000000@pair.com>

 >is there a bundle of wordreport and wordlib?
 >(I can't remember if I bought wordlib or not...)

Thanks, Andre.

WordLib and WordOut are related in that they offer import of documents 
to fields and export of field contents to documents, thus the discount 
relationship to those who buy WordLib while WordOut is still prerelease. 
(And for the WordOut beta, just email me. The demo is similar to a word 
processor with all the style buttons, and you can save MS Word documents.)

WordReport on the other hand is specialized as a complete and 
independent report maker solution using data and templates for precise 
formatting and quick results. (I had a series of requests from users for 
this type of powerful solution to quickly set up reports for clients and 
for their own products.) Rather than bundling it with WordLib too, I 
decided to start out with a discounted price to celebrate this 1.0 release!

Best wishes,

Curry

http://curryk.com/wordreport.html



From wow at together.net  Tue Jan  4 10:38:22 2011
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:38:22 -0500
Subject: Mac App Store compliance
In-Reply-To: <4D2339FD.8030508@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2339FD.8030508@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4D233EEE.9070307@together.net>

Thanks, Richard.

Could you expand on the issue of non-standard GUI elements?... perhaps 
some examples of what is not acceptable?

If self-updating is not allowed, what is the easiest alternative? Or is 
this app store going to operate like the iPad store, where the OS always 
informs the user when an update is available?

Richard




On 1/4/11 10:17 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Richard Miller wrote:
>
>> Could someone please list the (primary) issues developers need to pay
>> attention to in order to make Mac apps compliant with the new store?
>
> Prohibited items include self-updating (even though iTunes itself does 
> that), and non-standard GUI elements (even though iTunes itself does 
> that too).  You're also not allowed to let the user try your product 
> before purchasing, but that's not something LC can address.
>
> One user in the LC forums has noted that his app was rejected because 
> his document windows don't darken the close dot to indicate unsaved 
> changes.    This has been noted in the RQCC, but I've not heard from 
> RR as to when this will be addressed.
>
> Elsewhere Jan Schenkel has noted that toolbars such as the attractive 
> implementation in Trevor's ScreenSteps can't currently be implemented 
> in a truly HIG-savvy fashion, and that's been flagged as an 
> enhancement request in the RQCC as well.
>
> A good toolbar implementation also requires other related details, 
> such as sheet positioning and adding a standard Toolbar button.
>
> We'll also need some means of integrating with Apple's reg system, 
> since you're not allowed to manage that yourself.  It would be helpful 
> if others here who've dealt with it can tell us what's needed to 
> support that.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan  4 11:19:53 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 08:19:53 -0800
Subject: Mac App Store compliance
Message-ID: <4D2348A9.2020704@fourthworld.com>

Richard Miller wrote:

> Could you expand on the issue of non-standard GUI elements?... perhaps
> some examples of what is not acceptable?

Hard to say specifically beyond those I cited earlier.  There seems to 
be a subjective element to the App Store review process, so the precise 
expectations a developer must comply with may not be knowable in 
advance, and conceivably may differ depending on the personality of the 
individual reviewer your app winds up with.

> If self-updating is not allowed, what is the easiest alternative? Or is
> this app store going to operate like the iPad store, where the OS always
> informs the user when an update is available?

AFAIK, if you implement a bug fix or enhancement for your customers, the 
only way to make it available to them is to resubmit it to Apple's 
review queue and wait a few weeks for it to go through that process.

For those of us who strive to deliver bug fixes as close to instantly as 
possible, this is a disappointment for both ourselves and our customers.

I suppose the upside is that it encourages us to be more disciplined 
before release, to strive for the uncommon role of making one of the 
very few software products ever to exist that ships with zero bugs. ;)

If there's an alternate means by which we can shorten the 
time-to-delivery for our customers who use the App Store I'd be very 
glad to be wrong on this.


It's also unclear whether App Store presence is exclusive; that is, if 
you sell an app through the App Store can you also sell it at your own 
web site?

If so, that would provide a means of delivering timely updates without 
the unnecessary delay of waiting for a third-party bogged down by 
reviewing other apps that have nothing to do with your relationship with 
your customer.

If this sort of non-exclusivity is allowed, it then begs the question of 
whether the publisher is allowed to set their own price points which may 
differ from those in the App Store.

I can imagine more than a few developers who make strong products 
offering them at a lower price when purchased at their own store vs. the 
App Store, so that those who prefer the App Store shoulder the cost for 
that convenience while other customers aren't burdened by paying for 
that overhead when it doesn't benefit them.

Given the Sherman Act's wording about price fixing, I suspect Apple's 
solution to avoid this is to simply not allow an app sold through the 
App Store to be sold elsewhere.

But again, I would be very happy to be wrong on this.

Anyone here know whether the App Store agreement is an exclusive one?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Jan  4 11:38:15 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:38:15 -0500
Subject: Mac App Store compliance
In-Reply-To: <4D2348A9.2020704@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2348A9.2020704@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0FE71D22-3144-44DD-945C-977F747C89CF@verizon.net>

Some people are getting games accepted into the Mac App Store, and I'm pretty sure those don't have standard buttons and other controls. Maybe the concern is if you have a standard control that doesn't behave in a standard way?

One thing I know that apps are rejected for is if they have PowerPC code in them. It has to be Intel only. There are utilities for stripping out PPC code, that do a good enough job to solve the problem.





From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Jan  4 11:45:55 2011
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 08:45:55 -0800
Subject: Mac App Store compliance
In-Reply-To: <4D2348A9.2020704@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2348A9.2020704@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B171F51FA2B8486DBE527170B63D5DC5@GATEWAY>

> But again, I would be very happy to be wrong on this.
> 
> Anyone here know whether the App Store agreement is an exclusive one?

AFAIK (and its gone through a host of Japanese lawyers Ive worked with),
Apple isn't asking for exclusivity. But they are asking for specifics on the
version that is sold on their site.

One possibility is to disable some features from the versions sold through
the Mac App Store, but then enable those sold through your own store - but
make those available through a form of "license trade" registration. It
seems to me like you can make the "direct" version so attractive that it
could be very compeling way to regain much of the user base info that Apple
should be giving you.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
http://www.mirye.com




From andrew at rjdfarm.com  Tue Jan  4 12:10:43 2011
From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 09:10:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: ANN: WordReport 1.0 release and introductory sale
In-Reply-To: <4D233D41.1000000@pair.com>
References: <4D231566.90402@pair.com> <4D233D41.1000000@pair.com>
Message-ID: <1294161043285-3173938.post@n4.nabble.com>


Does this handle table making to lay the information out well when you don't
know how many rows you will have? If so I am in! I just had to construct a
thorough latex library for building tex documents for laying my reports out.
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From warren at warrensweb.us  Tue Jan  4 12:23:48 2011
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:23:48 -0600
Subject: launch URL in Linux
Message-ID: <1294161828.28021.189.camel@mint-i7>

Hi,

I am finding that here, running Livecode 4.5.2 in Linux Mint, "launch
URL" renders Livecode unresponsive until the browser window is closed.
This happens in the message box and in scripts in both the IDE and
standalones and with whichever browser I've set as system default. Input
is still accepted but not responded to until the browser is closed. This
does not happen for me under OS X or Windows 7. 

Does this occur for other Linux users or might it be a product of my
particular environment?

Warren




From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan  4 12:42:03 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 15:42:03 -0200
Subject: launch URL in Linux
In-Reply-To: <1294161828.28021.189.camel@mint-i7>
References: <1294161828.28021.189.camel@mint-i7>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik4mMUghoZiK3OHcymMXP5KC+P2_hX+SRftgjbx@mail.gmail.com>

Warren,

LiveCode on Linux still a little flaky but it works better than before. I
just tried that here and did not experience the bug. I am not using 4.5.2
though. If you're a Developer Program member, try one of the recent 4.5.x
betas or try 4.5.0 and see if it happens again.

I am running (from) Ubuntu 10.10

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Warren Samples <warren at warrensweb.us> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am finding that here, running Livecode 4.5.2 in Linux Mint, "launch
> URL" renders Livecode unresponsive until the browser window is closed.
> This happens in the message box and in scripts in both the IDE and
> standalones and with whichever browser I've set as system default. Input
> is still accepted but not responded to until the browser is closed. This
> does not happen for me under OS X or Windows 7.
>
> Does this occur for other Linux users or might it be a product of my
> particular environment?
>
> Warren
>
>
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From curry at pair.com  Tue Jan  4 12:50:31 2011
From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:50:31 -0600
Subject: ANN: WordReport 1.0 release and introductory sale
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1294077602.20266.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294077602.20266.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D235DE7.7080906@pair.com>

 >Does this handle table making to lay the information out well
 >when you don't know how many rows you will have?

Thanks for the question, Andrew. You can define one row in your 
template, and the table grows as needed with a loop. Store the required 
info for each row in your data array, and the library does the rest as 
long as your template is tagged correctly.

This technique is demonstrated in the second and third examples of the 
demo stack. Just open the Try WordReport stack after downloading and 
unzipping, and have a look around.

http://curryk.com/wordreport.html

(The examples also have a bit of humor to keep things fun!)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy
--
WordLib: Import MS Word and OpenOffice documents
http://curryk.com/wordlib.html

WordReport: Template-driven MS Word and OpenOffice reports,
from invoices and worksheets to catalogs and mail merge
http://curryk.com/wordreport.html

Need custom software development or RunRev help?
http://curryk.com/consulting/



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Jan  4 12:59:28 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 09:59:28 -0800
Subject: ANN: WordReport 1.0 release and introductory sale
In-Reply-To: <4D231566.90402@pair.com>
References: <mailman.5988.1294048147.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<4D231566.90402@pair.com>
Message-ID: <97253569-AAB1-4D67-BDA1-CD279DCC06D4@mollysrevenge.com>

Hi Currry,
I'm really looking forward to trying this but I can't expand the zip file that I downloaded from your site - I get an error "Unable to unarchive (error 1 operation not permitted).  This is on a Mac running OSX 10.6.  Other .zip files work fine and I've tied putting your zip file in different folders in case there is a permissions problem but still get the same error.

I just updated to 10.6 last night so I guess it's possible this is some sort of OSX bug.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 4, 2011, at 4:41 AM, Curry Kenworthy wrote:

> I'm happy to announce the 1.0 release of WordReport. This library lets your LiveCode stacks crank out MS Word and OpenOffice reports of any kind: business documents, contractor invoices, real-estate flyers, mail merge, product catalogs, software data reports, educational worksheets, band concert posters, customer service letters, or whatever else you dream up. (In fact, the demo stack includes sample code and templates for three of those scenarios.)
> 
> You create a formatted template with data insertion tags, save it, and then insert your data from within LiveCode to create reports. WordReport is self-contained and doesn't need any word processing software to create reports, but you'll need MS Word or OpenOffice to create the templates. The demo stack will get you off to a quick start exploring capabilities, and a friendly User Guide explains everything.
> 
> The library handles images as well as text and has other advanced features such as loops and optional context marking. It handles Unicode and as a bonus, in addition to the unlimited formatting in your template, you can include basic styles within your export data for extra emphasis on the fly. It does headers and footers too. And tables. (And number formatting with commas if you need it.) Everything you need to make customers and clients happy with great-looking reports, while improving your own back office workflow too.
> 
> To celebrate this release (finally!) I'm offering WordReport on sale at a very special introductory price for 10 days. Get it while it's low! This is a power tool for saving time and producing great documents in all kinds of practical scenarios.
> 
> http://curryk.com/wordreport.html
> 
> (A hearty thanks to the beta testers also. And for those interested in news about WordOut, the export library, a beta has been available for some time, email me if you wish to try it. I'll be finishing it up as time allows, and as promised, those who purchase WordLib at full price before the WordOut release will receive an export library discount.)
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Curry Kenworthy
> --
> WordLib: Import MS Word and OpenOffice documents
> http://curryk.com/wordlib.html
> 
> WordReport: Template-driven MS Word and OpenOffice reports,
> from invoices and worksheets to catalogs and mail merge
> http://curryk.com/wordreport.html
> 
> Need custom software development or RunRev help?
> http://curryk.com/consulting/
> 
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From andrew at rjdfarm.com  Tue Jan  4 12:59:43 2011
From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 09:59:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: ANN: WordReport 1.0 release and introductory sale
In-Reply-To: <4D235DE7.7080906@pair.com>
References: <4D231566.90402@pair.com> <4D235DE7.7080906@pair.com>
Message-ID: <1294163983034-3174040.post@n4.nabble.com>


Looks awesome! I am going to play with the demo for a bit and jump in.
Thanks!
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From curry at pair.com  Tue Jan  4 14:07:25 2011
From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:07:25 -0600
Subject: ANN: WordReport 1.0 release and introductory sale
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6140.1294163973.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.6140.1294163973.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
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 >I can't expand the zip file that I downloaded from your site -
 >I get an error "Unable to unarchive (error 1 operation not permitted).

Hi Peter, thanks for alerting me to that!

For some reason my Mac didn't like that particular zip file either. I've 
quickly uploaded another zip to correct the problem.

The page link will redirect to the updated file now, and here's the 
direct file link too, just in case:

http://curryk.com/wordreport103.zip

http://curryk.com/wordreport.html

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy
--
WordLib: Import MS Word and OpenOffice documents
http://curryk.com/wordlib.html

WordReport: Template-driven MS Word and OpenOffice reports,
from invoices and worksheets to catalogs and mail merge
http://curryk.com/wordreport.html

Need custom software development or RunRev help?
http://curryk.com/consulting/



From warren at warrensweb.us  Tue Jan  4 14:08:12 2011
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:08:12 -0600
Subject: launch URL in Linux
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik4mMUghoZiK3OHcymMXP5KC+P2_hX+SRftgjbx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1294161828.28021.189.camel@mint-i7>
	<AANLkTik4mMUghoZiK3OHcymMXP5KC+P2_hX+SRftgjbx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1294168092.28021.237.camel@mint-i7>

On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 15:42 -0200, Andre Garzia wrote:
> just tried that here and did not experience the bug. I am not using
> 4.5.2
> though. If you're a Developer Program member, try one of the recent
> 4.5.x
> betas or try 4.5.0 and see if it happens again.
> 
> I am running (from) Ubuntu 10.10 

Thanks Andre,

I just checked here in Linux Mint 9 (32 bit) and it works fine. I have
the problem in Mint 10 (64 bit), which is based on Ubuntu 10.10. It
happens 4.5.3-RC3 as well. It seems there's something "special" about my
environment. This also occurs when using launch URL to open a file in
the default editor. 

As a curious and possibly irrelevant aside, I notice that when I run the
command in the message box, "true" appears in the return field in Mint 9
but only in Mint 9.

Warren




From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Jan  4 14:49:53 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:49:53 -0800
Subject: ANN: WordReport 1.0 release and introductory sale
In-Reply-To: <4D236FED.4080303@pair.com>
References: <mailman.6140.1294163973.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<4D236FED.4080303@pair.com>
Message-ID: <9265D7EF-EF8C-416C-86DF-7CE212E601E1@mollysrevenge.com>

Thanks Curry, the new zip file expanded just fine.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 4, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Curry Kenworthy wrote:

> 
> >I can't expand the zip file that I downloaded from your site -
> >I get an error "Unable to unarchive (error 1 operation not permitted).
> 
> Hi Peter, thanks for alerting me to that!
> 
> For some reason my Mac didn't like that particular zip file either. I've quickly uploaded another zip to correct the problem.
> 
> The page link will redirect to the updated file now, and here's the direct file link too, just in case:
> 
> http://curryk.com/wordreport103.zip
> 
> http://curryk.com/wordreport.html
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Curry Kenworthy
> --
> WordLib: Import MS Word and OpenOffice documents
> http://curryk.com/wordlib.html
> 
> WordReport: Template-driven MS Word and OpenOffice reports,
> from invoices and worksheets to catalogs and mail merge
> http://curryk.com/wordreport.html
> 
> Need custom software development or RunRev help?
> http://curryk.com/consulting/
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan  4 16:11:04 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:11:04 -0800
Subject: launch URL in Linux
Message-ID: <4D238CE8.80800@fourthworld.com>

Warren Samples wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 15:42 -0200, Andre Garzia wrote:
>> just tried that here and did not experience the bug. I am not using
>> 4.5.2
>> though. If you're a Developer Program member, try one of the recent
>> 4.5.x
>> betas or try 4.5.0 and see if it happens again.
>>
>> I am running (from) Ubuntu 10.10
>
> Thanks Andre,
>
> I just checked here in Linux Mint 9 (32 bit) and it works fine. I have
> the problem in Mint 10 (64 bit), which is based on Ubuntu 10.10. It
> happens 4.5.3-RC3 as well. It seems there's something "special" about my
> environment.

I wonder if the "special" is that it's 64 bit?

I just tested here on a 32-bit system running Ubuntu 10.10 and launch 
url works fine.

Anyone else here running a 64-bit Debian-based build who can verify this?

--
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  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From mikekann at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  4 16:15:01 2011
From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:15:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: On-Rev Server Access
In-Reply-To: <752C4E26-BE3A-413A-971A-55C64479FE64@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <1542.71926.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Francis, Tim, Alex, Matthias,

Thanks for responding to my question about the On-Rev Server Access. I'm able to use FileZilla now. Over Christmas I was visiting my mother when I wanted to access the server. I downloaded the newest version of FileZilla, which didn't work. I came home and used my old version, which works fine. I'm not sure if the problem was in the newer program or some security on my mother's computer, but it's full speed ahead now. Thanks again.

Working recipe:

host: taishan.on-rev.com
username: taishan
password: good_password

Mike 



      

From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Tue Jan  4 16:57:37 2011
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 23:57:37 +0200
Subject: Paradigma Software, Inc - Product enquiry for Product Name:
	LiveCode / Revolution Megabundle 2009 Update
In-Reply-To: <005601cbac3c$5f1e7d40$1d5b77c0$@allsprings.net>
Message-ID: <C9496471.E2FC2%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 1/4/11 8:22 PM, "Kimmo Lahtinen" <Kimmo at allsprings.net> wrote:

Hi Kimmoto,

> I remember that I tried to see how much the report option would cost, but it
> was indeed quite a lot.

Well,  Valentina Reports double price of each Valentina product.
So if you check ADK+ (199/399) then with reports its price doubled.

 
> Kimmo Lahtinen
> 
> PS. It would be nice if some day you offer also the reporting with a special
> price.

Let me give very important point here.

This MegaBundle 2009 UPDATE, have give you in hands
    Valentina Office Server INFINITE

Right?

* Valentina Office Server already have Valentina Report Engine.

* Also Valentina Office Server includes Vstudio Pro copy,
    so you can design reports for own usage.


If you talk about Valentina Reports embedded into your Livecode app,
Then yes, you need yet upgrade future to "ADK+ & Reports" option.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]





From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan  4 17:54:00 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:54:00 -0200
Subject: launch URL in Linux
In-Reply-To: <4D238CE8.80800@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D238CE8.80800@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikN4L_k0g2RGcf5jcpgzZdz=XXmZBVzdNqGvLvq@mail.gmail.com>

I don't even try to run LiveCode under Linux 64 bits... LiveCode is linked
against 32 bits libraries and Linux 64 bits is a mess with all the library
relocations for 32 bits and stuff... I don't recommend.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> Warren Samples wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 15:42 -0200, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>>> just tried that here and did not experience the bug. I am not using
>>> 4.5.2
>>> though. If you're a Developer Program member, try one of the recent
>>> 4.5.x
>>> betas or try 4.5.0 and see if it happens again.
>>>
>>> I am running (from) Ubuntu 10.10
>>>
>>
>> Thanks Andre,
>>
>> I just checked here in Linux Mint 9 (32 bit) and it works fine. I have
>> the problem in Mint 10 (64 bit), which is based on Ubuntu 10.10. It
>> happens 4.5.3-RC3 as well. It seems there's something "special" about my
>> environment.
>>
>
> I wonder if the "special" is that it's 64 bit?
>
> I just tested here on a 32-bit system running Ubuntu 10.10 and launch url
> works fine.
>
> Anyone else here running a 64-bit Debian-based build who can verify this?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>
>
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From bob.earp at ashford.ca  Tue Jan  4 18:06:47 2011
From: bob.earp at ashford.ca (Robert Earp)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 15:06:47 -0800
Subject: Mobile App help wanted
Message-ID: <C72A22D1-94DE-4F8A-90FD-498BEDB24784@ashford.ca>

First off, a belated Happy New Year to all of you and many thanks for all of the great support you've given over the last year.  I  wish you and yours all the very best for a safe, happy and healthy 2011 !!

I was contacted today by Guy Durwin (guy.durwin at yahoo.ca) who is looking for somebody to build a mobile app for him.  I have no idea what the app is about, and Guy is a total stranger to me, but in the spirit of the usual cooperation of this list I offered to pass on his request to you in case somebody has the time and interest to work on this, unfortunately I don't at the moment.  I believe Guy is located close to me (British Columbia lower mainland area).

So, if you are interested please contact him directly.  If things work out for you I'd appreciate hearing about it.

Kind regards, Bob...


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
www.ashford.ca  www.cabinsimulators.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Robert J. Earp - President
Ashford Technologies Inc.
18059 21A Ave, Surrey
British Columbia.  V3S 9V7
Canada
 
t: (+1) 604 541 1662
f: (+1) 604 541 1686







From bob.earp at ashford.ca  Tue Jan  4 18:29:04 2011
From: bob.earp at ashford.ca (Robert Earp)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 15:29:04 -0800
Subject: Mobile App help wanted......... eMail address error
Message-ID: <62CDC16C-F77E-4BF1-90E1-1F3B01EF8ED6@ashford.ca>

First off, a belated Happy New Year to all of you and many thanks for all of the great support you've given over the last year.  I  wish you and yours all the very best for a safe, happy and healthy 2011 !!

I was contacted today by Guy Durnin (guydurnin at yahoo.ca) who is looking for somebody to build a mobile app for him.  I have no idea what the app is about, and Guy is a total stranger to me, but in the spirit of the usual cooperation of this list I offered to pass on his request to the list in case somebody has the time and interest to work on this  Unfortunately I don't the time at the moment, but maybe will be able to work on it in a month or so if somebody wishes to share the work.  I believe Guy is located close to me (British Columbia lower mainland area).

So, if you are interested please contact him directly.  If things work out for you or you wish to share, I'd appreciate hearing about it off list.

Kind regards, Bob...


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
www.ashford.ca  www.cabinsimulators.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ashford Technologies Inc.
18059 21A Ave, Surrey
British Columbia.  V3S 9V7
Canada

t: (+1) 604 541 1662
f: (+1) 604 541 1686







From cszasz at mac.com  Tue Jan  4 20:15:08 2011
From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 17:15:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: ANN: WordReport 1.0 release and introductory sale
In-Reply-To: <4D231566.90402@pair.com>
References: <4D231566.90402@pair.com>
Message-ID: <1294190108649-3174739.post@n4.nabble.com>


What is the special introductory price? I did not see it. 
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From curry at pair.com  Tue Jan  4 21:14:54 2011
From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:14:54 -0600
Subject: ANN: WordReport 1.0 release and introductory sale 
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1294164002.14138.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294164002.14138.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D23D41E.2080602@pair.com>


 >What is the special introductory price? I did not see it.

Howdy, Charles. The WordReport intro price is the current price at the 
store. ($50 USD.) After the first ten days are up, I'll be raising the 
price. There's a lot of bang for your buck right now so don't miss out!

http://curryk.com/wordreport.html

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy
--
WordLib: Import MS Word and OpenOffice documents
http://curryk.com/wordlib.html

WordReport: Template-driven MS Word and OpenOffice reports,
from invoices and worksheets to catalogs and mail merge
http://curryk.com/wordreport.html

Need custom software development or RunRev help?
http://curryk.com/consulting/



From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Jan  4 21:35:56 2011
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 18:35:56 -0800
Subject: ANN: WordReport 1.0 release and introductory sale 
In-Reply-To: <4D23D41E.2080602@pair.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294164002.14138.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<4D23D41E.2080602@pair.com>
Message-ID: <176BDA16-8272-4035-9E6F-0A7A4D469538@pacifier.com>

For those who purchased the Word Lib you mentioned they will get a discount
when WordReport is released.  Is there an additional discount that purchasers
of WordLib will be able to use?

-=>JB<=-



On Jan 4, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Curry Kenworthy wrote:

> 
> >What is the special introductory price? I did not see it.
> 
> Howdy, Charles. The WordReport intro price is the current price at the store. ($50 USD.) After the first ten days are up, I'll be raising the price. There's a lot of bang for your buck right now so don't miss out!
> 
> http://curryk.com/wordreport.html
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Curry Kenworthy
> --
> WordLib: Import MS Word and OpenOffice documents
> http://curryk.com/wordlib.html
> 
> WordReport: Template-driven MS Word and OpenOffice reports,
> from invoices and worksheets to catalogs and mail merge
> http://curryk.com/wordreport.html
> 
> Need custom software development or RunRev help?
> http://curryk.com/consulting/
> 
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  4 23:05:33 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:05:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [OT] Why is Brazil like Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <4D1F9E45.8090702@gmail.com>
References: <4D1F9E45.8090702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1294200333353-3174833.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Richmond,

Are you making plans to return to Scotland
with your family in this year?

Stephen, this is time of the year when
we remember George Orwell's book:
http://www.george-orwell.org/Animal_Farm/index.html

Al
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From curry at pair.com  Tue Jan  4 23:20:12 2011
From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 22:20:12 -0600
Subject: ANN: WordReport 1.0 release and introductory sale 
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1294164002.14138.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294164002.14138.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D23F17C.80008@pair.com>

 > For those who purchased the Word Lib you mentioned they will get
 > a discount when WordReport is released. Is there an additional
 > discount that purchasers of WordLib will be able to use?

Hello, JB. Thanks for asking.

No, the discount from WordLib applies to WordOut, not WordReport. 
WordLib and WordOut are related (input/output of MS Word and OpenOffice 
documents to and from LiveCode text fields) so thus the discount 
relationship. Anyone who purchased or purchases WordLib at full price 
from my store or the RunRev store before WordOut reaches 1.0 will 
receive a $20 credit towards WordOut.

For WordReport (template-driven MS Word and Open Office reports for 
quick results with precision formatting, by injecting your data into 
pre-formatted templates) anyone who orders during the intro period saves 
at least $20, because the price will be raised afterwards.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy
--
WordLib: Import MS Word and OpenOffice documents
http://curryk.com/wordlib.html

WordReport: Template-driven MS Word and OpenOffice reports,
from invoices and worksheets to catalogs and mail merge
http://curryk.com/wordreport.html

Need custom software development or RunRev help?
http://curryk.com/consulting/



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Jan  4 23:51:11 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:51:11 -0800
Subject: [OT] Why is Brazil like Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <1294200333353-3174833.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4D1F9E45.8090702@gmail.com>
	<1294200333353-3174833.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=S-k4Cp=TVmRZJK38r4W5tz9NFooNKzctvmmc0@mail.gmail.com>

You mean "some developers are better than the other developers?"
lol

I read 1984 in 1960.

On 4 January 2011 20:05, Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Richmond,
>
> Are you making plans to return to Scotland
> with your family in this year?
>
> Stephen, this is time of the year when
> we remember George Orwell's book:
> http://www.george-orwell.org/Animal_Farm/index.html
>
> Al
> --
> View this message in context:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan  5 01:08:21 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 00:08:21 -0600
Subject: [OT] Why is Brazil like Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=S-k4Cp=TVmRZJK38r4W5tz9NFooNKzctvmmc0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D1F9E45.8090702@gmail.com>	<1294200333353-3174833.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTi=S-k4Cp=TVmRZJK38r4W5tz9NFooNKzctvmmc0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D240AD5.2080204@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/4/11 10:51 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
> You mean "some developers are better than the other developers?"
> lol

I think he means we're all pigs. :)

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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 04:31:11 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 01:31:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [OT] Why is Brazil like Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <4D240AD5.2080204@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4D1F9E45.8090702@gmail.com>
	<1294200333353-3174833.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTi=S-k4Cp=TVmRZJK38r4W5tz9NFooNKzctvmmc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D240AD5.2080204@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1294219871394-3175061.post@n4.nabble.com>



Hi all,

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> You mean "some developers are better than the other developers?"
> lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZldlyeR8DU
At least from my point of view, the lesson of the fable "Animal Farm"
is that "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
or "Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"

Unlimited power in the hands of few is the main common characteristic
between Bulgaria and Brasil.

Other is... that both names starts with "B". :-)

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> I think he means we're all pigs. :)

ROTFL :-D
Funny enough, where I live, only in December you could see
roasted pigs in every Food Market:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_roast
http://www.dr1.com/forums/best-dr/109899-pig-roast-dr.html

But precisely because that, I avoid them in this month.
In the country where I live, electric energy fails every day,
for many hours. Just imagine the effect of electric brownouts
on refrigerated products of all kinds. Just imagine...
If you ever visit this country, think twice before eating or
drinking any kind of refrigerated product. Really.

Al

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From curry at pair.com  Wed Jan  5 04:40:27 2011
From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 03:40:27 -0600
Subject: [OT] Why is Brazil like Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1294164002.14138.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294164002.14138.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D243C8B.4050408@pair.com>

 >Unlimited power in the hands of few is the main common
 >characteristic between Bulgaria and Brasil.

Nice thoughtful puzzle!

 >Just imagine the effect of electric brownouts
 >on refrigerated products of all kinds.

And computers. UPS and laptops must be essential?

Best,

Curry



From john at splash21.com  Wed Jan  5 05:55:11 2011
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:55:11 +0000
Subject: Livecode iOS app live in the app store
In-Reply-To: <4D13519F.4020204@splash21.com>
References: <4D13519F.4020204@splash21.com>
Message-ID: <4D244E0F.6030203@splash21.com>

I think this first experimental iOS app is now at an end!  I've 
submitted the app and two updates to the app store and on all occasions 
there were no problems - (typically 3 - 4 days to go live).   When local 
database storage, sockets, etc. become available, I reckon LC's iOS will 
be a killer platform for commercial apps.
It'll be interesting to see how easily an iPhone app can be compiled for 
Andriod, etc.  and how many tweaks will be required.



From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Jan  5 08:07:46 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 11:07:46 -0200
Subject: [OT] Why is Brazil like Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <4D243C8B.4050408@pair.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294164002.14138.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<4D243C8B.4050408@pair.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinPsh0=Pmo+dczkrF9QZCnof1Ff-ybunGiycwhV@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Curry Kenworthy <curry at pair.com> wrote:

> >Unlimited power in the hands of few is the main common
> >characteristic between Bulgaria and Brasil.
>
>
Oh there is no unlimited power in here. People outside imagine Brazil being
some banana republic where carismatic leader can do any ruthless thing and
get away with it but this is not the case, they can get away with robbing
any amount of money, passing any kind of idiotic law, doing every kind of
moronic display of ignorance, complete lack of common sense and really bad
sense of fashion and so on but it is not unlimited.

Brief Story of Brazil:

Brazil was "discovered" in the 16th century, it was made into a colony and
that was how it stood for couple centuries until napoleon went land
acquiring over europe. Portuguese royalty fled (or went on vacation) to
Brazil which was a colony made of mud, coffee, slaves and nasty diseases.
When royalty arrived in 1808 they decided to make this a proper country,
specially Rio.

Like mushrooms after rain, a country was made with proper buildings and
culture (at least on Rio). It doesn't really matter that all the slaving
went on and that the rest of this really big place was still farms and pain,
Rio was beautiful. Now Brazil was an United Kingdom - the United Kingdom of
Portugal, Brazil and Algarve. Scottish and Englishman among us knows how
this works. Heck from colony to united kingdom, looks good.

Royalty decided to go back to europe where moskito bites do not kill you and
where the natives could speak something you could understand (common people
often spoke tupi, guarani or some other indian tongue) but but but but...
TA-DA!!!! The portuguese royal guy decided NOT TO GO BACK! famous words: "if
it is for the general happiness of the nation, tell everyone that I stay!".
So Brazil was no longer an United Kingdom but was on its own with a new
royal guy. The new country was named The Empire Of Brazil (as far as empires
goes, this was a pretty big place) plus we had an emperor! Time went on,
monarchies were overthrown in lots of places and then it was not fashionable
to have emperors anymore. The last ball of the Empire went on 500m of where
I am right now on a very cute castle, they even had electrical lamps during
the ball.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2017/1582977140_5757617cf7.jpg
(this is the castle, worth a look. It is called "Castelo da Ilha Fiscal",
the ferry boat I take everyday pass by it)

The next day republic was proclaimed - "Independence or Death!!!!" - by the
same guys who were in charge since forever. Now we had presidents.

Our republic played a game of rinse and repeat, alternating presidents from
S?o Paulo and Minas Gerais for a while and then some other bastards came
along till we're almost at the second world war when a military coup made
Brazil into a dictatorship (New State they called). Brazil under
dictatorship was ironic, we had a fascist goverment full of people who
admired fascist ideas (including my grandpa) but fought the axis on the side
of the non-fascist guys.

After Getulio commit suicide, military really took over the dictatorship and
leftist armed guerrilla started. Students like Dilma Roussef and many others
robbed banks, kidnapped ambassadors and did all kinds of nasty stuff to make
a Cuba out of Brazil. Our mudererer goverment did worse with tortures,
deaths and everything you don't want to hear, this went on until after I was
born (hey, I was born during a military dictatorship!).

Civil disobedience and protests got too big with strikes all over the place
and students on the streets with their faces painted in green and yellow
demanding free elections and guess what, it worked! After decades of
military dictatorship, they stepped down! No war, no coup... a organized
civil election and newly elected leaders, it doesnt help that the newly
elected president died right on the spot (I think he was overwhelmed with
joy of democracy). So after that we had some really bad democratic elected
presidents. Inflation was really bad to the point that on the market you had
to race the market staff trying to pick the goodies before they re-tag them
with new prices (this is actually true). Till FHC came along and he and
other really clever people created a magic plan to con the whole country and
stabilize the economy. Brazilians are tricksters and that presidency tricked
all the country into believing there was no such thing as a bad economy and
it worked out and money stabilized. Yay for impossible plans! After him the
labor party was elected and I cried of joy. Eight years later, I've learned
that the labor party is the same as the other 40 or so parties we have and
President Lula managed to get President Dilma elected much to my disgust, I
vote for the green party. During the last election my choices for President,
Senator, Governor lost but at least my choices for Federal Congressman and
State Congressman were elected. Silly people, always voting for thieves.

So in summary:

Same guys in power: really big muddy place -> United Kingdom -> Empire ->
Republic
New guys in power, as bad as the previous ones: Last 8 years



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From warren at warrensweb.us  Wed Jan  5 08:33:24 2011
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 07:33:24 -0600
Subject: [OT] Why is Brazil like Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinPsh0=Pmo+dczkrF9QZCnof1Ff-ybunGiycwhV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294164002.14138.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<4D243C8B.4050408@pair.com>
	<AANLkTinPsh0=Pmo+dczkrF9QZCnof1Ff-ybunGiycwhV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1294234404.28021.322.camel@mint-i7>

On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 11:07 -0200, Andre Garzia wrote:
> People outside imagine Brazil being
> some banana republic where carismatic leader can do any ruthless thing
> and
> get away with it but this is not the case, they can get away with
> robbing
> any amount of money, passing any kind of idiotic law, doing every kind
> of
> moronic display of ignorance, complete lack of common sense and really
> bad
> sense of fashion and so on 

Obviously they are thinking of Venezuela... just a small error of
geography ;)




From curry at pair.com  Wed Jan  5 09:27:19 2011
From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 08:27:19 -0600
Subject: [OT] Why is Brazil like Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1294164002.14138.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294164002.14138.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D247FC7.9040709@pair.com>

Andre wrote:

 >Curry Kenworthy wrote:

 > >Unlimited power in the hands of few is the main common
 > >characteristic between Bulgaria and Brasil.

 >Oh there is no unlimited power in here.
 >People outside imagine Brazil ... ... ...

Just wanted to clarify that I am NOT the author of that quote as it 
might appear; my message quoted the previous message.

Nice history chapter!

Best,

Curry




From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Jan  5 09:36:07 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:36:07 -0200
Subject: [OT] Why is Brazil like Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <4D247FC7.9040709@pair.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294164002.14138.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<4D247FC7.9040709@pair.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Lwhtqdhr+sKDciyzz_QF3bBUjj=YbgwKF1d1Y@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Curry Kenworthy <curry at pair.com> wrote:

> Andre wrote:
>
>
> >Curry Kenworthy wrote:
>
> > >Unlimited power in the hands of few is the main common
> > >characteristic between Bulgaria and Brasil.
>
> >Oh there is no unlimited power in here.
> >People outside imagine Brazil ... ... ...
>
> Just wanted to clarify that I am NOT the author of that quote as it might
> appear; my message quoted the previous message.
>

Curry,

no no no, I was not talking about you, I was making a general remark. I've
seen a lot of news during the last days and I wrote that email but it is not
targeted at any one.


>
> Nice history chapter!
>

Thanks! >D


>
> Best,
>
> Curry
>
>
>
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From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Wed Jan  5 09:36:42 2011
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:36:42 +0200
Subject: [FREE] SQLite plugin in Valentina Studio Pro -- feedback please?
Message-ID: <C94A4E9A.E3056%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

Hi All,

We have made more improvements in the SqlLite plugin of Valentina Studio
Pro.

New build (MAC) uploaded into 4.8.1 b1 folder.
    http://www.valentina-db.com/download/beta/4.8.1_b1


IMPORTANT NOTE:
    You can made account on www.valentina-db.com site.
    Then login and get FREE serial for VStudio PRO.


We would like to hear any feedback about new Sqlite plugin.
Any suggestion welcome.
Any comparisons to other Lite managers - very welcome.

Since we going in nearest time add support of Lite to Valentina Reports, we
see that will be great if Valentina Studio will be nice GUI manager not only
for Valentina but for Lite, ODBC, ...


=============================================
[Data Editor] both Valentina and Lite.

* now works multi-line FILTER
    which allows to select records without SQL.

* improved work with BLOBs.

* auto-detect of picture inside of BLOB field


=============================================
[SQL Editor] 

* Now uses the same Data Editor grid to show records  and ...

    !!! Now you can EDIT values right here in the Result View,
        if cursor is in Read-Write


=============================================
[ODBC plugin]

* Improved and polished ODBC plugin, to allow connect to ODBC data sources,
which can be (mySQL, Postgre, Access, MS SQL, ... )

TODO: Right now guys link ODBC plugin to Data Editor.


=============================================
TODO:

* guys do finish Links for Lite now.

* Valentina REPORTs to be able get data from different data sources
    including Lite and ODBC.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]





From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Wed Jan  5 11:02:43 2011
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 11:02:43 -0500
Subject: Livecode iOS app live in the app store
In-Reply-To: <4D244E0F.6030203@splash21.com>
Message-ID: <OF6C3B752D.138021DA-ON8525780F.00537497-8525780F.005825AF@sealedair.com>

On 01/05/2011 at 05:56 AM, John Craig wrote:
> ......................................................... When local
> database storage, sockets, etc. become available, I reckon LC's iOS will
> be a killer platform for commercial apps.
> It'll be interesting to see how easily an iPhone app can be compiled for
> Android, etc.  and how many tweaks will be required.

John,

Congrats on your app going into the app store so smoothly.  I just wanted
to comment on the Android option you mentioned, which I can hardly wait to
see/use.  Based on what I have been reading about the new extensions to the
LiveCode/Rev language for mobile apps, it seems there is an awful lot of
iOS terminology being added to the syntax.  I am inclined to think that in
order to support multiple mobile platforms, the terms should be more
generic in their prefixes instead of iOSthis and iOSthat.  It makes me
wonder if Android is just an afterthought, and will end up having its own
set of specific set of commands too.  I know that there are times that
platform specific calls are needed, but why not have a more generic base
set for all mobiles like 'mobileRotateScreen' or 'mobileShake' commands.
Maybe they plan to handle it with the use of synonyms.  It would be nice to
hear something from the mothership on their Android progress.

~Roger




From kevin at runrev.com  Wed Jan  5 11:42:17 2011
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:42:17 +0000
Subject: Livecode iOS app live in the app store
In-Reply-To: <OF6C3B752D.138021DA-ON8525780F.00537497-8525780F.005825AF@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <C94A4FE9.1ABD2%kevin@runrev.com>

On 05/01/2011 16:02, "Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com"
<Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com> wrote:

> Congrats on your app going into the app store so smoothly.  I just wanted
> to comment on the Android option you mentioned, which I can hardly wait to
> see/use.  Based on what I have been reading about the new extensions to the
> LiveCode/Rev language for mobile apps, it seems there is an awful lot of
> iOS terminology being added to the syntax.  I am inclined to think that in
> order to support multiple mobile platforms, the terms should be more
> generic in their prefixes instead of iOSthis and iOSthat.  It makes me
> wonder if Android is just an afterthought, and will end up having its own
> set of specific set of commands too.  I know that there are times that
> platform specific calls are needed, but why not have a more generic base
> set for all mobiles like 'mobileRotateScreen' or 'mobileShake' commands.
> Maybe they plan to handle it with the use of synonyms.  It would be nice to
> hear something from the mothership on their Android progress.

We will be rationalizing the syntax so that it makes sense on mobile devices
in a way that is as cross-device as possible.

Stay tuned for an update on our Android progress in the next couple of days.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding





From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 11:46:26 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:46:26 -0800
Subject: DGH Clone Chamber Preview - was datagrid: sharing grid templates
	& copy paste
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikzodweZgeOwHuDo-=kXz+hkEVsv_vApXyLgH46@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikzodweZgeOwHuDo-=kXz+hkEVsv_vApXyLgH46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2261D08-1190-4F23-927C-33BECC1375CF@twft.com>

Zryip, you are fricking amazing! If you are not careful, you are going to wake up one day somewhere in Scotland and find you have been shanghai'ed into slave labor for LiveCode. Don't get drunk in any scottish pubs!

Bob


On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:48 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> Hi List,
> 
> Here is a preview of our solution for duplicating an existing datagrid
> (template, behavior and properties)
> With the "clone room" of DGH, we are capable to reuse any complex
> datagrids between projects, in 3 clicks.
> 
> Step 1: put the grid in the cloning chamber
> Step 2: selecting an empty grid or an existing grid
> Step 3: replication of the grid in the other one
> 
> A quick preview of the feature in action is available here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rj7sDB-Prw
> 
> Btw, here is our channel on youtube:
> http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheSlugOnTheRoad
> 
> 
> Available soon for all the DGH users.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 11:47:50 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:47:50 -0800
Subject: A new, improved msg box Bug?
In-Reply-To: <113640.46ff76bc.3a3c4bb1@aol.com>
References: <113640.46ff76bc.3a3c4bb1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B90E3AA2-FF82-4B1A-849A-278092E2A198@twft.com>

Remove all your plugins and rehash?

Bob


On Dec 16, 2010, at 9:14 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Colin.
> 
> Nope, tried both enter and return. It is just whether or not i type a char 
> in the lower field. That fixes it. Steady and predictable....
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 11:52:27 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:52:27 -0800
Subject: [data grid] How to get the dgText really empty?
In-Reply-To: <767AD670-A6D2-4365-B918-240E6A615248@wanadoo.fr>
References: <E471923E-D4FD-4EFB-A630-1D1DDE57C763@wanadoo.fr>
	<AANLkTikQXzMSHqrxc=VuqKco3ywfvAUqBfa=Dbx7rGKX@mail.gmail.com>
	<767AD670-A6D2-4365-B918-240E6A615248@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <6CAE9424-D9CB-4894-9981-6F722F9B780C@twft.com>

If you never make mistakes you are probably not trying to do anything. And you are DEFINITELY not a software developer! 

Bob

 
On Dec 17, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Andr? Bisseret wrote:

> Bonjour Trevor,
> 
> I just noticed that I was completely wrong! 
> I was emptying my data grids but not a hidden field which is used as an intermediary where preprocessed data are kept,
> and which is used by the button which recapitulates the two data grids in the third one!!!!
> 
> Thanks a lot for your reply
> 
> and really sorry to have disturbed you with what was my mistake!
> 
> Andr?




From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 11:56:21 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:56:21 -0800
Subject: Windows error 32
In-Reply-To: <4D0C178D.7040100@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D0C178D.7040100@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <45224CF3-18D1-4A91-923C-F66DEA57BADF@twft.com>

Is the uninstaller app in the application folder? If so, then that is your problem. That is probably why there is an add/remove programs feature in Windows. Apps cannot delete themselves, although they should be able to move themselves to the trash, and then delete the folder they were launched from. I could be wrong on that point tho'. 

Bob


On Dec 17, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I'm making an uninstaller for one of my apps on Windows, and everything's working swell except for one detail:
> 
> I can delete all files and folders related to the install with ease, but when I try to delete the application folder sysError returns 32, which means it's in use by another process.
> 
> Here's the setup:
> 
> The uninstaller works as we're required to do on Windows: when launched it makes a copy of itself into the temp folder, and launches that copy after which the original quits.  We have to do that because of course an app can't delete itself.  The copy has the UI that the user clicks to start the uninstall.
> 
> That copy in temp works great, and clears out everything, even the original uninstaller that launched it.
> 
> The one thing it can't do is delete the folder the app was originally in, which is in the Program Files directory, e.g.:
> 
>  C:\Program Files\MyApp\
> 
> It seems weird to me that I can so easily delete all the contents of that folder, even all the nested subfolders that were in it, yet not the folder itself.
> 
> And yes, I've checked: the folder is indeed empty.
> 
> Even weirder, I can open LC afterward and run this in the Message Box:
> 
>   delete folder "C:/Program Files/MyApp/"
> 
> ...and it deletes as expected without complaint.
> 
> My first hunch was that since the original uninstaller app is launching the one doing the deleting, maybe I could add another layer of misdirection by having a copy of that app make another app in temp just to delete the damn folder.  No go, same error 32.
> 
> Any of you come across something like this before?  How did you get around it?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Media Corporation
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed Jan  5 12:00:55 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:00:55 -0800
Subject: ControlKeyDown problem - still not working w/Windows
Message-ID: <80BA8463-2C55-4ACC-8E70-CB1B8FC976DF@cox.net>

I have yet to resolve this issue. Strangely enough, if I allow the OSX version to "see" the controlKeyDown handler, they work the same as the commandKeyDown handler - both being in the stacks' scripts. The only area of suspicion would likely be that I'm running WindowsXP under VM Fusion on my Mac (Pro with Snow Leopard); while running the app in XP, I find that 'the Platform' is Win32, but that shouldn't matter since the Handlers normally use a
 
If the platform is MacOS then
beep 

else....
  All the control key stuff
end if

Does anyone have a similar setup that works?

Responses very much appreciated.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>









From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan  5 12:08:47 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:08:47 -0800
Subject: Windows error 32
Message-ID: <4D24A59F.6040401@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > Is the uninstaller app in the application folder? If so, then that
 > is your problem. That is probably why there is an add/remove programs
 > feature in Windows. Apps cannot delete themselves, although they
 > should be able to move themselves to the trash, and then delete the
 > folder they were launched from. I could be wrong on that point tho'.

Indeed they should, and as I noted below that's what I tried, copying 
the installer to tmp and then launching that copy.  I'd earlier been 
using Wise Install for this sort of thing, and their installer does the 
same.

What made it initially mystifying is that I was able to delete every 
file in that folder, even the original copy of the uninstaller, just not 
the folder itself.

I posted the fix the following day:  turns out you need to also change 
the working directory away from the one being deleted, a simple 
one-liner in LC:
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2010-December/150273.html>

I've considered using the Control Panel, but while we can provide 
notification to that tool we still need to feed it the particulars of 
the uninstall, an additional step it seems only a minority of apps 
installed on my Win machines have bothered to do.

Most of the reviewers for my products do indeed note whether the app has 
an uninstaller, and mark their rating down if not, but it seems they're 
agnostic over whether the uninstall is done by the Control Panel or by 
the app's own tools.

Personally, I prefer to deliver the uninstall in the same section of the 
Start menu with everything else related to my apps so it's all in one 
place, though I may consider doing the extra step of feeding the Control 
Panel as an additional convenience in future versions.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv


 >
 > On Dec 17, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> I'm making an uninstaller for one of my apps on Windows, and
 >> everything's working swell except for one detail:
 >>
 >> I can delete all files and folders related to the install with ease,
 >> but when I try to delete the application folder sysError returns 32,
 >> which means it's in use by another process.
 >>
 >> Here's the setup:
 >>
 >> The uninstaller works as we're required to do on Windows: when
 >> launched it makes a copy of itself into the temp folder, and
 >> launches that copy after which the original quits.  We have to do
 >> that because of course an app can't delete itself.  The copy has
 >> the UI that the user clicks to start the uninstall.
 >>
 >> That copy in temp works great, and clears out everything, even the
 >> original uninstaller that launched it.
 >>
 >> The one thing it can't do is delete the folder the app was
 >> originally in, which is in the Program Files directory, e.g.:
 >>
 >>  C:\Program Files\MyApp\
 >>
 >> It seems weird to me that I can so easily delete all the contents of
 >> that folder, even all the nested subfolders that were in it, yet not
 >> the folder itself.
 >>
 >> And yes, I've checked: the folder is indeed empty.
 >>
 >> Even weirder, I can open LC afterward and run this in the Message
 >> Box:
 >>
 >>   delete folder "C:/Program Files/MyApp/"
 >>
 >> ...and it deletes as expected without complaint.
 >>
 >> My first hunch was that since the original uninstaller app is
 >> launching the one doing the deleting, maybe I could add another
 >> layer of misdirection by having a copy of that app make another
 >> app in temp just to delete the damn folder.  No go, same error 32.
 >>
 >> Any of you come across something like this before?  How did you get
 >> around it?
 >>
 >> --
 >> Richard Gaskin
 >> Fourth World Media Corporation
 >> ___________________________________________________________
 >> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com






From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan  5 12:14:50 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:14:50 -0800
Subject: ControlKeyDown problem - still not working w/Windows
Message-ID: <4D24A70A.4040302@fourthworld.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

 > I have yet to resolve this issue. Strangely enough, if I allow the
 > OSX version to "see" the controlKeyDown handler, they work the same
 > as the commandKeyDown handler - both being in the stacks' scripts.
 > The only area of suspicion would likely be that I'm running WindowsXP
 > under VM Fusion on my Mac (Pro with Snow Leopard); while running the
 > app in XP, I find that 'the Platform' is Win32, but that shouldn't
 > matter since the Handlers normally use a
 >
 > If the platform is MacOS then
 > beep
 >
 > else....
 >   All the control key stuff
 > end if
 >
 > Does anyone have a similar setup that works?

You may want to double-check the settings in the VM to see if it's 
remapping the control key.  I haven't used VM Fusion but I know 
Parallels provides such an option.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 12:23:42 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:23:42 -0800
Subject: Strange phenomena
In-Reply-To: <4D0D9BDB.6010700@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <02123A61-07E7-4115-BEEA-B419E5C2FEDF@cox.net>
	<4D0D9BDB.6010700@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B644DA74-7D91-4345-B489-D418F15C31CD@twft.com>

Ohhh. Nice!

Bob


On Dec 18, 2010, at 9:44 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Another way to handle it is not to set the stack's menubar during development, just leave it at the top of the window. Then in a preopenstack handler, check "the environment" and if it is "standalone" then set the menubar of the stack to the group. That will automatically force a resize on Macs only and leave the Windows stack alone. That's what I've been doing with the last few standalones I've made. The down side of doing this is that keyboard command keys aren't available in the IDE, since the menubar isn't in the system menu while the IDE is running.




From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed Jan  5 12:24:46 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:24:46 -0800
Subject: ControlKeyDown problem - still not working w/Windows
In-Reply-To: <4D24A70A.4040302@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D24A70A.4040302@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0A8AB254-62D3-4D12-B558-BEA8319811FB@cox.net>

Thanks Richard. I hadn't thought of that angle. I'll check it out.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>


On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> 
> > I have yet to resolve this issue. Strangely enough, if I allow the
> > OSX version to "see" the controlKeyDown handler, they work the same
> > as the commandKeyDown handler - both being in the stacks' scripts.
> > The only area of suspicion would likely be that I'm running WindowsXP
> > under VM Fusion on my Mac (Pro with Snow Leopard); while running the
> > app in XP, I find that 'the Platform' is Win32, but that shouldn't
> > matter since the Handlers normally use a
> >
> > If the platform is MacOS then
> > beep
> >
> > else....
> >   All the control key stuff
> > end if
> >
> > Does anyone have a similar setup that works?
> 
> You may want to double-check the settings in the VM to see if it's remapping the control key.  I haven't used VM Fusion but I know Parallels provides such an option.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 12:33:00 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:33:00 -0800
Subject: closeField - Curious
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=URJk-nazh18c5xpQb02G+MjSFbmB3TTwpsbfy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <11e9.1c506747.3a3e9795@aol.com>
	<AANLkTi=URJk-nazh18c5xpQb02G+MjSFbmB3TTwpsbfy@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31D09F1E-5DF9-440D-A515-6609C98A580C@twft.com>

Just tested works fine. I have a closeField handler in the card script, a field and a button. The button goes to card 2. The closeField handler beeps twice. When I click the button after editing the field contents it beeps twice. That means the card script is in fact getting the message. 

I suspect something else has a closeField handler that is trapping the message. 

Bob


On Dec 18, 2010, at 8:14 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:

> ok, then riddle me this:
> 
> I have a field, but instead of putting the closeField handler in the field,
> I put it in the card.  On that card I have a button that goes to another
> card.  In that case, the closeField message is not passed to the card, only
> if i have the closeField handler in the field.  If I do not have a button
> that navigates off the card, but instead I just tab from field to field, the
> closeField message is received.  So why isn't it passed up the hierarchy if
> I am going to navigate off the card, but it does if I stay on the card?
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 12:35:54 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:35:54 -0800
Subject: closeField - Curious
In-Reply-To: <397CD9FC-CFB6-453E-B4F3-7AA9927DBDDF@cox.net>
References: <11e9.1c506747.3a3e9795@aol.com>
	<AANLkTi=URJk-nazh18c5xpQb02G+MjSFbmB3TTwpsbfy@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimN3nX_vGR4uXjcdGkY8yVPP1=0rFLmpz5EArn6@mail.gmail.com>
	<397CD9FC-CFB6-453E-B4F3-7AA9927DBDDF@cox.net>
Message-ID: <F0820ACF-A565-48E1-BF98-696CEA6DA94E@twft.com>

Well... hmmm... I dunno. I like to enable special behaviors for my fields in the card script or the stack script, check for the existence of a custom prop, if it exists handle it, if not pass closeField. That way new fields work just fine, but I can add a custom prop to enable the special behavior. This is a great way to implement field validation routines. 

Bob


On Dec 18, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> First, you're not going to want to put a "closeField" handler anyplace other than the field to which it applies unless all of the fields on the card, or stack are going to implement something when that message is sent. 




From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 12:39:08 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:39:08 -0800
Subject: closeField - Curious
In-Reply-To: <B5B3E6F9-CA07-4F66-84B0-A08E50B21457@mac.com>
References: <AANLkTikyUooXskw8uLBSEj-59+NRq+jD2J9U83cKH2W4@mail.gmail.com>
	<14deaa3973c8c2d3f14ef24e330c44a2.squirrel@www.mollysrevenge.com>
	<B5B3E6F9-CA07-4F66-84B0-A08E50B21457@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3CB0FA7F-2642-47C9-BB87-AC86A93E27B0@twft.com>

Instead of changing the behavior of closeField (and all the hoopla that would arise by everyone's stacks suddenly acting differently), how about a new handler? Something like alterField or changeField? Seems to me, closeField is just that. The field is closed. Setting the text of a field is not opening and closing it, at least in my mind. 

Bob


On Dec 19, 2010, at 7:39 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> I agree completely. It would be good to have a message sent whenever the field changes for any reason.
> 
> Bill Vlahos




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Jan  5 12:39:07 2011
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:39:07 -0500
Subject: closeField - Curious
In-Reply-To: <F0820ACF-A565-48E1-BF98-696CEA6DA94E@twft.com>
References: <11e9.1c506747.3a3e9795@aol.com>
	<AANLkTi=URJk-nazh18c5xpQb02G+MjSFbmB3TTwpsbfy@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimN3nX_vGR4uXjcdGkY8yVPP1=0rFLmpz5EArn6@mail.gmail.com>
	<397CD9FC-CFB6-453E-B4F3-7AA9927DBDDF@cox.net>
	<F0820ACF-A565-48E1-BF98-696CEA6DA94E@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Hj2Orn8GkguZ0i5_+_5jrZ6By40aGLGiz3bVY@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,
This is indeed not working as expected, and nothing else is intercepting the
message first.  It just isn't being sent.  I've been trying to mess with
Jacque's suggestion, but that didn't help matters, so because I'm less
interested in figuring out what weirdness is in play and more interested in
getting the thing done, I'm doing it a different way.

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 12:40:36 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:40:36 -0800
Subject: closeField - Curious
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c9344d593368@[192.168.1.94]>
References: <11e9.1c506747.3a3e9795@aol.com>
	<AANLkTi=URJk-nazh18c5xpQb02G+MjSFbmB3TTwpsbfy@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimN3nX_vGR4uXjcdGkY8yVPP1=0rFLmpz5EArn6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D0D91FC.1000602@hyperactivesw.com>
	<p06240802c9344d593368@[192.168.1.94]>
Message-ID: <D0230D34-5063-42DF-A2DE-10C02C5DF90C@twft.com>

Again, I tested this and it works as expected. Going to another card does in fact send the closeField message to an edited field that has focus, which not being trapped, makes it's way to the card script and executes. 

Bob


On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> I can second this. I was hit a number of times by scripts executing on the wrong card when user action changed card. This has also to do with the order messages are sent and executed. Some times it is reasonable and possible to avoid actually changing the card but rather redesigning the stack so the card changes without a physical move to another card.
> 
> Robert




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan  5 12:51:19 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 11:51:19 -0600
Subject: ControlKeyDown problem - still not working w/Windows
In-Reply-To: <80BA8463-2C55-4ACC-8E70-CB1B8FC976DF@cox.net>
References: <80BA8463-2C55-4ACC-8E70-CB1B8FC976DF@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4D24AF97.2000800@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/5/11 11:00 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> I have yet to resolve this issue. Strangely enough, if I allow the
> OSX version to "see" the controlKeyDown handler, they work the same
> as the commandKeyDown handler - both being in the stacks' scripts.

You know that LC maps the control key on Windows to the command key 
handlers, right? It's the same way LC maps the Alt key on Windows to the 
option key handlers.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed Jan  5 13:00:14 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:00:14 -0800
Subject: ControlKeyDown problem - still not working w/Windows
In-Reply-To: <4D24AF97.2000800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <80BA8463-2C55-4ACC-8E70-CB1B8FC976DF@cox.net>
	<4D24AF97.2000800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <A0C5232C-74F0-4F14-B6EA-B8F68A98F861@cox.net>

Actually, I was not aware of this. Not sure that I even understand what you are saying. Are you saying that I don't even have to have a handler for the Control Keys; that LC will automatically provide functioning of the CommandKeys  as if they are ControlKeys when creating the Windows version? In which case, perhaps my doing so has confused things? I'll eliminate my controlKeyDown handler and see what happens.

Thanks, Jacqui!!!!

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>







On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:51 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/5/11 11:00 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> I have yet to resolve this issue. Strangely enough, if I allow the
>> OSX version to "see" the controlKeyDown handler, they work the same
>> as the commandKeyDown handler - both being in the stacks' scripts.
> 
> You know that LC maps the control key on Windows to the command key handlers, right? It's the same way LC maps the Alt key on Windows to the option key handlers.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 13:08:25 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:08:25 -0800
Subject: Nabble vs lists.runrev.com
In-Reply-To: <412CADAE-9BF9-465A-9AE5-33384264CFB5@mac.com>
References: <mailman.4095.1292736639.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<412CADAE-9BF9-465A-9AE5-33384264CFB5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D2D574BA-8F54-430F-AD63-9606F8CEC263@twft.com>

Last I checked the Nabble system had not been updated with the new use-livecode at lists.runrev.com address. It still posted under the old address, which is why it appears that some devs are still posting using the old address, even when they were given the new one. The reply to is correct though, oddly. 

Bob


On Dec 20, 2010, at 3:04 AM, Josep M Yepes wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Posting directly to Nabble is the same that reply to the list from Mail? I ever post directly to Nabble but I don't see my last post in the list now...
> 
> It's correct?
> 
> 
> Salut,
> Josep
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan  5 13:15:46 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:15:46 -0600
Subject: ControlKeyDown problem - still not working w/Windows
In-Reply-To: <A0C5232C-74F0-4F14-B6EA-B8F68A98F861@cox.net>
References: <80BA8463-2C55-4ACC-8E70-CB1B8FC976DF@cox.net>	<4D24AF97.2000800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A0C5232C-74F0-4F14-B6EA-B8F68A98F861@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4D24B552.8000203@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/5/11 12:00 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Actually, I was not aware of this. Not sure that I even understand
> what you are saying. Are you saying that I don't even have to have a
> handler for the Control Keys; that LC will automatically provide
> functioning of the CommandKeys  as if they are ControlKeys when
> creating the Windows version? In which case, perhaps my doing so has
> confused things? I'll eliminate my controlKeyDown handler and see
> what happens.

Right, you only need a commandkey handler. On Unix and Windows, 
commandkey and controlkey are synonyms (see the dictionary.) However, 
having a controlkey handler shouldn't interfere particularly. The only 
thing I can think of is that the commandkey handler is trapping the 
message before controlkey gets it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 13:17:45 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:17:45 -0800
Subject: Datagrid bug? Looks cheesy...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikOpKWN-FYZXj9XSPwpMCJA_in4C5r3ovdC0Xzf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikOpKWN-FYZXj9XSPwpMCJA_in4C5r3ovdC0Xzf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9C53D301-24DF-429B-972D-20E5D9105127@twft.com>

Try clicking the Datagrid Refresh button first. This cleared display problems up for me. 

Bob


On Dec 21, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> Has anyone seen this before and is there a fix?
> 
> Platform is Linux - Livecode 4.5.3 (dp1)
> 
> The vertical scroll bar separates from the right side of the table (moving
> to the left) leaving a small gap that is quite noticeable.
> 
> Easily reproduced by creating a new datagrid, and resizing the furthest
> visible right column as the first action.
> 
> This makes it look a little cheesy in that it remains this way unless you
> create a new datagrid (not good for deployment).
> 
> It would really be nice after the many years if Livecode / Rev would
> actually have implemented a true table (I think it was one the most
> requested items throughout the years). Though datagrid is better than before
> it still is not the ideal solution (IMHO).
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Glen
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 13:18:33 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:18:33 -0800
Subject: Mobile UI Guideline Links
In-Reply-To: <C9366DFA.4F9D1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C9366DFA.4F9D1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <F9B5138C-0EA1-438C-A324-66CE2A3B4D3A@twft.com>

Duly bookmarked. 

Bob


On Dec 21, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Might be useful: a collection of UI guideline links from all the major
> players.
> 
> <http://www.mobilexweb.com/blog/ui-guidelines-mobile-tablet-design>
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Jan  5 13:28:07 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:28:07 -0800
Subject: Mobile UI Guideline Links
In-Reply-To: <C9366DFA.4F9D1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C9366DFA.4F9D1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4D24B837.2000704@pdslabs.net>

Thanks Scott!
Phil Davis

On 12/21/10 2:45 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Might be useful: a collection of UI guideline links from all the major
> players.
>
> <http://www.mobilexweb.com/blog/ui-guidelines-mobile-tablet-design>
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
>
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 13:28:42 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:28:42 -0800
Subject: Getting a public IP address when connected to a router
In-Reply-To: <1jtrrul.1odj9burukgpnM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
References: <1jtrrul.1odj9burukgpnM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <73C18AEF-9F24-4A3C-8170-3141A314AE95@twft.com>

I'm half French, and I have my own saying: "The solution to a problem cannot be any simpler than the problem itself". It may not in fact be true, but it sounds pithy. 

But seriously, I would love for all my stacks to have one magical one-liner that does everything I want them to. The trouble is, the problems I am trying to solve don't lend themselves to that. 

To the server, it has no idea that your IP address is "you". All software starts out deaf, dumb and blind. Developing software is a lot like teaching a retarded person to cook breakfast. Except in the case of LiveCode, the retard already knows where the eggs, bacon, bread and butter are. But you still have to teach him how to make everything the way you like it. 

Sorry everyone, I just love analogies. 

Bob


On Dec 19, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Medard wrote:

> Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> 
>> What's the problem, Medard? Just don't count your own IP address.
>> 
>> if myIP is not "123.123.123.123" then...
> 
> You're right, Mark...
> but a well known motto here in France is: 
> "pourquoi faire simple, quand on peut faire compliqu?"
> (what's the need to make things simple, as it's so easy to make them
> complicated)
> 
> joke apart, the problem is I don't have a fixed IP*, it may vary, within
> some limits
> 
> 
> * due to my ISP, Orange ;-)
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 13:30:22 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:30:22 -0800
Subject: Getting a public IP address when connected to a router
In-Reply-To: <4D0EB460.2030308@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1jtrrul.1odj9burukgpnM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
	<65163329687.20101219165059@ahsoftware.net>
	<4D0EB460.2030308@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F0D3F76E-E66F-4344-815A-3A43144A4E03@twft.com>

Downing some shots might also help...

Bob


On Dec 19, 2010, at 5:41 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 12/19/10 6:50 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Medard-
>> 
>> Sunday, December 19, 2010, 2:04:04 PM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> * due to my ISP, Orange ;-)
>> 
>> Well, there's the problem.
>> You're trying to compare Apples and Oranges.
>> <g>
>> 
> 
> Aw geez. You should be shot for that.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 13:33:55 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:33:55 -0800
Subject: Getting a public IP address when connected to a router
In-Reply-To: <1jtsmq3.1pa5d9v1qcr6w1M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
References: <1jtsmq3.1pa5d9v1qcr6w1M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <07A2A3DE-B59E-41AC-8C46-EBE4416B9306@twft.com>

In America they passed a law that dictates that ISP's have to allow their competitors to use the infrastructure the original ISP built. It's kind of like forcing all restaurants to let other cooks come in to their kitchens and cook and sell meals for their own establishments. Oddly though, it works out nicely. 

Bob


On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:58 AM, Medard wrote:

> J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> * due to my ISP, Orange ;-)
>>> 
>>> Well, there's the problem.
>>> You're trying to compare Apples and Oranges.
>>> <g>
>>> 
>> 
>> Aw geez. You should be shot for that.
> 
> ;->
> 
> Orange? is the commercial name of France Telecom as a ISP
> They bought that name from a UK company they acquired...
> What a marmalade ;-)
> 
> Away from big cities, there is not so much choice for a ISP! 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 13:39:23 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:39:23 -0800
Subject: Dispatch and send
In-Reply-To: <4D123BD5.8000906@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D123BD5.8000906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0CAFB020-E39E-472A-A872-E56F580AF191@twft.com>

Seems right to me. Dispatch looks for a handler in the script you are dispatching to. You would have to have a handler called ON BEEP which would be illegal and wouldn't compile because BEEP is a reserved word. Try using send instead. 

Bob


On Dec 22, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> David Bovill wrote:
> 
>> Anyone got a reason for this being Appropriate behavior?
>> 
>> dispatch "beep" to this cd -- no beep
>>> send "beep" to this cd -- a beep
> 
> Interestingly, running this in the Message Box:
> 
>  dispatch "beep" to this cd; put it
> 
> ...yields "unhandled"
> 
> You get the same with any build-in command, e.g.:
> 
>  dispatch "go next" to this cd; put it
> 
> Whether this is a weakness in the engine or the documentation is a question of intention:
> 
> Is "dispatch" designed to handle only custom handlers? It appears to be, and if that's what's intended it's working fine and all that's needed is a note in the docs clarifying that.
> 
> But if the intention was that it could be used for built-in commands too then there appears to be a bug in the engine.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 13:41:21 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:41:21 -0800
Subject: Dispatch and send
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinfK5SCUkZkVAvRYORA+d-ujUcZNXYWaE41P4P2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinfK5SCUkZkVAvRYORA+d-ujUcZNXYWaE41P4P2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5117F6C2-A3E5-4FE3-8F35-8D5BB5D4B388@twft.com>

Let me put it differently: Send generates a system message. Any system message. Dispatch calls a handler optionally with parameters. Make sense?

Bob


On Dec 22, 2010, at 9:40 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> Anyone got a reason for this being Appropriate behavior?
> 
> dispatch "beep" to this cd -- no beep
>> send "beep" to this cd -- a beep
>> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 13:50:14 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:50:14 -0800
Subject: [OT] Another Microsoft Achievement
In-Reply-To: <4D13BD09.1030201@gmail.com>
References: <4D13BD09.1030201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F86C360-3340-421E-BAC2-4A83B3B9B813@twft.com>

Well there probably weren't any attacks... UNTIL THEY WROTE THAT ARTICLE!!!!!

Bob


On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:20 PM, Richmond wrote:

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12067295
> 
> Wow!
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed Jan  5 14:15:33 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 11:15:33 -0800
Subject: ControlKeyDown problem - still not working w/Windows
In-Reply-To: <4D24B552.8000203@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <80BA8463-2C55-4ACC-8E70-CB1B8FC976DF@cox.net>	<4D24AF97.2000800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A0C5232C-74F0-4F14-B6EA-B8F68A98F861@cox.net>
	<4D24B552.8000203@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3438836F-46E5-409A-A304-F3DEA560322A@cox.net>

I guess I need to burn a CD and test this on somebody's real PC. Thanks for the confirmation Jacqui.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>

On Jan 5, 2011, at 10:15 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/5/11 12:00 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> Actually, I was not aware of this. Not sure that I even understand
>> what you are saying. Are you saying that I don't even have to have a
>> handler for the Control Keys; that LC will automatically provide
>> functioning of the CommandKeys  as if they are ControlKeys when
>> creating the Windows version? In which case, perhaps my doing so has
>> confused things? I'll eliminate my controlKeyDown handler and see
>> what happens.
> 
> Right, you only need a commandkey handler. On Unix and Windows, commandkey and controlkey are synonyms (see the dictionary.) However, having a controlkey handler shouldn't interfere particularly. The only thing I can think of is that the commandkey handler is trapping the message before controlkey gets it.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan  5 14:20:56 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 11:20:56 -0800
Subject: ControlKeyDown problem - still not working w/Windows
Message-ID: <4D24C498.9050309@fourthworld.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> I guess I need to burn a CD and test this on somebody's real PC. Thanks for the confirmation Jacqui.

Good for now, but I can't recommend having a PC on hand strongly enough.

PCs are cheap, and second-hand ones more so.  You can probably pick up a 
decent second-hand PC through Craig's List with a Core 2 Duo for a 
couple hundred buck.

Not only will you have a native-iron test bed, but every geek enjoys the 
pleasure of watching multiple computers work their butts off while we 
sit back and enjoy our coffee. ;)

Extra bonus points:  you could set it up with a dual boot and put Ubuntu 
on it for even more deployment options at your disposal.  With the 
recent enhancements RunRev made for the Linux engine, it's quite nice 
these days.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 14:22:17 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 11:22:17 -0800
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <4D19B3FE.4040907@pdslabs.net>
References: <4D19B3FE.4040907@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <74B6710D-8FB7-44B0-A23F-C9BFF1076B7B@twft.com>

Thanks pretty useful if you know already what the command is you need help with. Looks like you are getting the man pages via a shell call yourself. 

What would make this marketable is if there was a way to list all the shell commands available to the system and present them to the user in a list, have the user be able to click on a shell command and have the man page load, and then be able to insert the command into a rev script with the proper LiveCode syntax. I would pay money for that! 

Bob


On Dec 28, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> I just uploaded a new version of the Shell() Command Help plugin.
> 
> New features:
> - Search for words in the displayed help text.
> - Print the displayed help text.
> - Use arrow keys to retrieve previous commands (like the LC message box).
> 
> Enjoy!
> -- 
> Phil Davis
> 
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 14:32:44 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 11:32:44 -0800
Subject: [OT] Apple publishes six free e-books for developers
In-Reply-To: <86CECEEB-0C94-483B-B669-EDAF22CD0671@id.uzh.ch>
References: <86CECEEB-0C94-483B-B669-EDAF22CD0671@id.uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <9D0C3298-2458-49FC-9F20-33AE6593B781@twft.com>

"Apple advises that all the free books work best with the recently-released iBooks 1.2, and?while not required?a case of Red Bull is strongly implied, too." ROFL! I suspect reservations at the local funny farm may be a good idea too! 

Bob


On Dec 29, 2010, at 4:57 AM, Rolf Kocherhans wrote:

> If you develop for iOS and missed this, have a look :-)
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/156499/2010/12/apple_developer_ebooks.html
> 
> Cheers
> Rolf
> 
> 
> 
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed Jan  5 14:49:20 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 11:49:20 -0800
Subject: ControlKeyDown problem - still not working w/Windows
In-Reply-To: <4D24C498.9050309@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D24C498.9050309@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <DF01A1FC-7AC9-4F6B-B90E-34117E49D9AB@cox.net>

Richard,

For one thing, I have four Macs on my desks and no room for PCs; another, it would be a sacrilege to have a real PC on sacred Mac grounds! (smile) My friends could then say - "he, too, finally succumbed to the M$ voodoo magic".

Incidentally, I thought it was interesting to note that Intel and AMD are "finally" putting an emphasis on graphics processing; something that Apple touted as their advantage with the old Motorola PowerPC chips Macs used to use. I've still never been clear about whether Apple was using a smoke screen or whether the PowerPC chips really were inferior, and the reason Apple switched to using Intel chips. Out of my control anyway, since for me it was always the GUI and not the chips, though I spent years learning to program in Assembler for the various 68000 chips.

Regardless of how cheap, I've better things to do with my money. Actually, except for this controlKey issue, my Virtual PC has tested RunRev apps flawlessly. It was bad enough when I had to shell out good money for the XP OS. BTW, there IS a Preference in Fusion for mapping from Cmd Keys to Control Keys; but, with what LC already does, I haven't figured out the necessary combination yet.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>


On Jan 5, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> 
>> I guess I need to burn a CD and test this on somebody's real PC. Thanks for the confirmation Jacqui.
> 
> Good for now, but I can't recommend having a PC on hand strongly enough.
> 
> PCs are cheap, and second-hand ones more so.  You can probably pick up a decent second-hand PC through Craig's List with a Core 2 Duo for a couple hundred buck.
> 
> Not only will you have a native-iron test bed, but every geek enjoys the pleasure of watching multiple computers work their butts off while we sit back and enjoy our coffee. ;)
> 
> Extra bonus points:  you could set it up with a dual boot and put Ubuntu on it for even more deployment options at your disposal.  With the recent enhancements RunRev made for the Linux engine, it's quite nice these days.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv


From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 15:46:04 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:46:04 -0800
Subject: Missing plug-in. Again
In-Reply-To: <4D1D125E.3080007@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <70271.9e62ad5.3a4e60d4@aol.com>
	<4D1D125E.3080007@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <0F4788ED-090F-4BB1-8522-AFF2A3B6412F@twft.com>

I put mine in /Users/Shared/My Livecode. That way any account that logs in can use LiveCode with all the plugin's intact. That will probably never happen, but I am a stickler for such things. It keeps me from shooting myself in the foot, which must be really dam painful. 

> On 12/30/10 4:25 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> My installer did not create a folder "Documents/LiveCode/Plugins", if that
>> matters. I can certain navigate, via that preferences dialog, to the folder
>> in question. Or anywhere around it.
> 
> I know, they'd avoid some confusion if they created those folders for you. Anyway, the enclosing folder can be named anything and placed anywhere (but best to avoid the app folder, make it a user location.) But inside that you must have a folder named exactly "Plugins". And your plugins go there.
> 
> If you still have a My Studio (or My Enterprise) folder inside Documents, put your plugin inside the Plugins folder in there and point to My Studio (or whatever.)

OT: Speaking of which, I have an entertaining and educational shoot-yourself-in-the-foot story for anyone interested. When I was in the US Navy, I served aboard a destroyer called the USS Decatur. A more scurvy lot of maladjusted, devil may care sailors you will be hard pressed to find on any ship that sails the seven seas. Seriously, almost everyone was ill tempered and had an attitude about something. I think people were assigned to this command as some kind of punishment. Frighteningly enough, this particular destroyer was Nuclear Anti-sub Anti-ship torpedo capable, and often carried Nuclear ASROC's on board, although only the CO, XO and Weapons officer knew if it did at any given time or not. 

Necessarily, for training purposes, Security Alerts were staged, which involved appointed guards that were ALWAYS making the rounds going into a high alert condition and checking all the sensitive areas where a bad guy might be trying to get at the Big Boy Ammo. We were told that these Security Alerts were never drills. We were always to assume it was the real thing and execute them as such. The first thing that the roving patrol was required to do was unholster his Colt 45 that they were properly trained to carry and use, pull back and lock the slide, Insert a magazine of Little Boy Ammo, and then carry it pointed upwards with the finger off the trigger whilst making the rounds. 

On one particular day, a second class petty officer in a particularly nasty mood had to stand a second round of the security patrol because his relief was AWOL. To make matters worse, they staged a security alert minutes before he was to be relieved. (They really loved to do things like that). Of course, you wouldn't have a change of the watch during a security alert for obvious reasons, so now this guy was forced to stand 2+ watches, with no definite time for his being relieved. 

So now picture him doing his rounds, steaming like an overcooked potato, whilst carrying around a colt 45 with magazine inserted and full of those nasty little lethal lead pellets, with the slide locked back. Scary huh? But at least if there really was a bad guy, he could drop the slide and fire relatively easily, without running the risk of accidentally shooting someone. I suppose if there really was a bad guy and he encountered him, his mood was perfect. Now, Military command has been called a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. So if you followed this you will realize there still is no round in the chamber. All well and good. 

But this particular alert went on for almost an hour after the man was supposed to be relieved, (or so it seemed to him) so when they called All Secure, he stomped down to the quarterdeck griping and moaning the whole way. When he got there, he laid the gun down on the podium, whipped off his belt with all the clips (except for the one that was still inserted in the gun of course), and while still biching and fuming to the guy relieving him, he watched as his relief put on the belt, dropped the slide, stuck the gun in the holster and, yes kids, pulled the trigger. I kid you not. There had to be some soiled underwear amongst the few sensible sailors standing around on deck, or should I say now sprawled on their faces all over the deck. 

Now needless to say, about 12 things that were supposed to happen to prevent this, didn't. They were *supposed* to remove the magazine (if there was one in the gun), pull the slide back, poke a finger in the chamber, look through and see light in the barrel, look through the handle and see light there too, put the gun down on the podium, take out all the magazines, count the bullets, take the belt off, put it on the podium, and then watch the relief do everything in the opposite order (except for inserting a magazine in to the gun obviously), with the final 4 actions being, drop the slide, point the gun at the water, pull the trigger and holster the gun. 

So the moral of the story my dear friends, is people who are not stickler's for procedure, even when it doesn't matter, eventually "shoot themselves in the foot". And no, I was neither of the two. C'mon, how many of you thought I was??Needless to say, neither of those sailors re-enlisted. I don't think the Navy would have let them even if they wanted to. That should make you feel at least a little bit safer! 

Bob




From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 15:47:46 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:47:46 -0800
Subject: Missing plug-in. Again
In-Reply-To: <821110092953.20101230155017@ahsoftware.net>
References: <mailman.5657.1293750880.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<9CD314AE-74B2-4551-AEB3-40974A8F5112@sbcglobal.net>
	<821110092953.20101230155017@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <EDDC5BDE-CD99-4C5D-9B04-0CA1E827FF7D@twft.com>

Out of curiosity, are your LiveCode preferences universal or specific to each logged in user?

Bob


On Dec 30, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Jim-
> 
> Thursday, December 30, 2010, 3:38:44 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> Don't tell anybody I'm doing this. I'm sure it's naughty.
> 
> Not really, you're just making extra work for yourself. You'll have to
> do this for 4.5.3, 4.6...
> 
> Much easier to create a folder somewhere else and just set your
> preferences to point to it. Make a "Plugins" folder in it and move
> your plugins there. Then you don't have to do anything special for
> different RR/LC versions.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 15:57:44 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 12:57:44 -0800
Subject: [OT] A GREAT Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikOyhn4AYoSTRH_MFZiug0gea6OCTwAZ4OWeSqS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikOyhn4AYoSTRH_MFZiug0gea6OCTwAZ4OWeSqS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87FD9F33-098E-42EB-A7C1-ED42B0DB35B9@twft.com>

Hey nice and it doesn't crash like the old MySQL Tools used to! I especially love the "table creation syntax" which is useful for me when developing, since I am not all that proficient at sql syntax. 

Bob


On Jan 2, 2011, at 2:38 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> This thing is better than Navicat  - and it works perfectly.  I've been
> looking for an app that was this complete for years.
> 
> http://www.sequelpro.com/
> 
> edits blobs of all kinds
> dual mode editing - double click edit in cell or in a field
> useful console showing exact commands sent to server - great for quick query
> building
> Font sizes and fonts are customizable everywhere
> Nice to look at. Easy recognition of function.
> 
> no registration  - free --
> donation requested however and well worth the $10-20
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
> 
> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 16:07:06 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:07:06 -0800
Subject: On-Rev Server Access
In-Reply-To: <365308.54485.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <365308.54485.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CC2B98DC-CB49-4C8E-A3F1-44AC7B8F5069@twft.com>

Should be taishan_taishan for the user name. Tripped me up too. It's account_user, see?

Bob


On Jan 2, 2011, at 6:31 AM, Michael Kann wrote:

> I haven't been to the on-rev server for a while and find I can't get in. Here's what I'm trying with Filezilla:
> 
> host: taishan.on-rev.com
> user: taishan
> password: good_password
> 
> Of course it might just be me. I'm just wondering if anything has changed in the access procedure.
> 
> Wishing everyone a Happy New Year,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan  5 16:06:48 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:06:48 -0600
Subject: Missing plug-in. Again
In-Reply-To: <EDDC5BDE-CD99-4C5D-9B04-0CA1E827FF7D@twft.com>
References: <mailman.5657.1293750880.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>	<9CD314AE-74B2-4551-AEB3-40974A8F5112@sbcglobal.net>	<821110092953.20101230155017@ahsoftware.net>
	<EDDC5BDE-CD99-4C5D-9B04-0CA1E827FF7D@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D24DD68.7070709@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/5/11 2:47 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Out of curiosity, are your LiveCode preferences universal or specific to each logged in user?

Specific to each user.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mblivecode at harbourhosting.co.uk  Wed Jan  5 16:08:59 2011
From: mblivecode at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:08:59 +0000
Subject: launch URL in Linux
In-Reply-To: <4D238CE8.80800@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D238CE8.80800@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4D24DDEB.7090203@harbourhosting.co.uk>

On 04/01/2011 21:11, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Warren Samples wrote:
>> On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 15:42 -0200, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>> just tried that here and did not experience the bug. I am not
>>> using 4.5.2 though. If you're a Developer Program member, try one
>>> of the recent 4.5.x betas or try 4.5.0 and see if it happens
>>> again.
>>> 
>>> I am running (from) Ubuntu 10.10
>> 
>> Thanks Andre,
>> 
>> I just checked here in Linux Mint 9 (32 bit) and it works fine. I
>> have the problem in Mint 10 (64 bit), which is based on Ubuntu
>> 10.10. It happens 4.5.3-RC3 as well. It seems there's something
>> "special" about my environment.
> 
> I wonder if the "special" is that it's 64 bit?
> 
> I just tested here on a 32-bit system running Ubuntu 10.10 and
> launch url works fine.
> 
> Anyone else here running a 64-bit Debian-based build who can verify
> this?
> 

I also see the described behaviour with LC 4.5.0 on Ubuntu 10.04 64bit

LC IDE menus don't respond to mouse nor the tools window, until the
browser is closed (firefox in my test).

Martin Baxter



From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 16:26:46 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:26:46 -0800
Subject: [OT] Why is Brazil like Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinPsh0=Pmo+dczkrF9QZCnof1Ff-ybunGiycwhV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294164002.14138.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<4D243C8B.4050408@pair.com>
	<AANLkTinPsh0=Pmo+dczkrF9QZCnof1Ff-ybunGiycwhV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <165C7CA0-CAC7-4FE4-B6CD-6365C3DE7DF1@twft.com>

That is as good a history of Brazil as I have ever heard. A couple points: I don't think people so much ascribe to political philosophies, as the look instead for the one that seems to give them the most, or take away the least from them. That is why nations with fairly good economical systems and politics can be overthrown. You simply convince the poor masses (every country has them) that they are poor, not because they have not tried to better themselves and their lives, but because "those rich guys over there" took all their money! 

Now the claim may or may not be true. Sometimes "those rich guys over there" really DID take all their money! But sometimes not. It really makes no difference, because the goal is to get a lot of people angry at the people who actually wield the power, so that you have a ready made army of sorts, at which the people who have the power will need to defend themselves or run. The resulting people who now have the power after the coup may not be (and probably will not be) better that the ones they replaced, especially seeing that they were willing to deceive the masses into doing what they wanted in the first place. Well it worked great once, why abandon a perfectly good method on moral grounds?? 

So the solution is not any particular political system, at least in my opinion. The solution has always been, and must always be, some kind of quantum leap in the moral fiber of the people in general. For America it was the fact that so very many displaced European Christians showed up in the same place at the same time and decided they wanted a better world for themselves and their children. How well things worked out in the end will be a subject of endless debate among the international community, so let me just concede that point up front. 

But there have been good and bad Republics. There have been good and bad Socialist States. There have even been good and bad Totalitarian States!! The moral fiber of the people, and subsequently their leaders, is the key, and not the politics. That is my point. 

Bob

ps. List-Gods please don't banish me from list-post heaven. It was an OT post!! And I didn't mention anything about cheese!


On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:07 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> So in summary:
> 
> Same guys in power: really big muddy place -> United Kingdom -> Empire ->
> Republic
> New guys in power, as bad as the previous ones: Last 8 years




From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 16:32:47 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:32:47 -0800
Subject: Livecode iOS app live in the app store
In-Reply-To: <C9390016.4FA78%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C9390016.4FA78%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <354BB209-B2A5-451B-83AC-191035CEBBB5@twft.com>

79,170 my first try. Now I don't mean to brag but... well ok I do mean to brag. 

Bob


On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, John Craig wrote:
> 
>> I created a small LC game for iPhone and it's now in the app store.  If
>> you search for 'splash21' or 'snowballer' you should be able to
>> download.
> 
> Great John.  It runs OK here on a gen 3 iPod Touch.  I especially like the
> targeting mechanism, but I can't tell if the left-to-right angle calcs are a
> bit too sensitive or I'm just lame (probably the latter).
> 
> (Ooo, just got 3 santas.  My hi score = 23220).
> 
> Perhaps you should have named it Angry Snowmen.  :-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 16:35:33 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:35:33 -0800
Subject: Livecode iOS app live in the app store
In-Reply-To: <4D13519F.4020204@splash21.com>
References: <4D13519F.4020204@splash21.com>
Message-ID: <56B71278-7D85-40BA-B4D9-1D2FB40A10E8@twft.com>

The scroll wheels for the initials could use some work. Very unpredictable, the swipe sometimes spins the wheel and sometimes not. Sometimes it spins a lot when I am only trying to get it to move one character. 

Bob


On Dec 23, 2010, at 5:41 AM, John Craig wrote:

> I created a small LC game for iPhone and it's now in the app store.  If you search for 'splash21' or 'snowballer' you should be able to download.  All feedback welcome - especially regarding how the app performs on different devices. The time scale to get into the app store looks promising as well - the app was created in iTunes connect on the 20th, the binary uploaded on the 21st and it's live today - much quicker than I had expected  :)
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 16:37:54 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:37:54 -0800
Subject: Windows error 32
In-Reply-To: <4D24A59F.6040401@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D24A59F.6040401@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <32340462-0134-4D5F-B899-2325755749FD@twft.com>

I posted before reading everything. I just got back from vacation. I will bet there are invisible temp files that are being created in the working directory. Your solution obviously gets by that. 

Bob


On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Indeed they should, and as I noted below that's what I tried, copying the installer to tmp and then launching that copy.  I'd earlier been using Wise Install for this sort of thing, and their installer does the same.
> 
> What made it initially mystifying is that I was able to delete every file in that folder, even the original copy of the uninstaller, just not the folder itself.




From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 16:40:29 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:40:29 -0800
Subject: Missing plug-in. Again
In-Reply-To: <4D24DD68.7070709@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <mailman.5657.1293750880.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>	<9CD314AE-74B2-4551-AEB3-40974A8F5112@sbcglobal.net>	<821110092953.20101230155017@ahsoftware.net>
	<EDDC5BDE-CD99-4C5D-9B04-0CA1E827FF7D@twft.com>
	<4D24DD68.7070709@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <11032005-7D64-45D1-BCFB-EAD48F3EE71B@twft.com>

So with my method, I have only just shot my big toe off, as opposed to blowing whole chunks of meat away? Since I would still have to repoint my prefs to the universal location anyway? 

Bob


On Jan 5, 2011, at 1:06 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/5/11 2:47 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> Out of curiosity, are your LiveCode preferences universal or specific to each logged in user?
> 
> Specific to each user.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Wed Jan  5 16:50:39 2011
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:50:39 +0200
Subject: [OT] Table Creation Syntax + Visual SQL Query Builder // A GREAT
	Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <87FD9F33-098E-42EB-A7C1-ED42B0DB35B9@twft.com>
Message-ID: <C94AB44F.E3139%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 1/5/11 10:57 PM, "Bob Sneidar" <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

Hi Bob,

Do you mean that you create table using GUI dialog,
Then you can see SQL CREATE TABLE command?

Well, actually mySQL itself can do this:
    SHOW CREATE TABLE command, can produce SQL command for any existed table

Valentina db, also can do this.

But now I think (if you underline this) -- we can easy add such feature to
our SqlLite plugin in Valentina Studio ...

SqlLite itself do not have such feature, but as I know we already have such
code in plugin ... Just we can open this to contextual-menu command I think.


BTW2. In Valentina Studio we have cool Visual Query Builder.
It can help produce complex SQL queries by mouse clicks only.
And good news are that Query Builder already works for SQLite also.

Enjoy.  :-)


> Hey nice and it doesn't crash like the old MySQL Tools used to! I especially
> love the "table creation syntax" which is useful for me when developing, since
> I am not all that proficient at sql syntax.
> 
> Bob

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]





From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan  5 18:35:52 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:35:52 -0800
Subject: glx2
In-Reply-To: <1293579161445-3166611.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <B755D3D3-4374-455C-8D86-88438DFEB113@mollysrevenge.com>
	<1293579161445-3166611.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <88435688-8434-4B2C-ADB6-5C53866C3C65@twft.com>

I know it was a pain to update, but GLX2 was a masterpiece of programming genius. The more I used it the more amazed I was with it. I know Jerry really likes what is now Remo, and in a ton of ways it is better. Well heck it's a different animal! Especially the app browser aspect of things, very cool! Still, GLX2 had some great features, and now I get to use them both! WOO HOOO!!!

Bob


On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:32 PM, Thunder wrote:

> 
> Some Info :
> 
> http://runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue37/newsletter4.php
> 
> http://runrev.com/newsletter/october/issue35/newsletter2.php
> 
> http://runrev.com/newsletter/september/issue33/newsletter1.php
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/glx2-tp3082801p3166611.html
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Wed Jan  5 19:26:54 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:26:54 -0800
Subject: glx2
In-Reply-To: <88435688-8434-4B2C-ADB6-5C53866C3C65@twft.com>
References: <B755D3D3-4374-455C-8D86-88438DFEB113@mollysrevenge.com>
	<1293579161445-3166611.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<88435688-8434-4B2C-ADB6-5C53866C3C65@twft.com>
Message-ID: <C2102EE8-419A-41F0-884D-465C44186630@mollysrevenge.com>

Well I have to agree it does kinda seem like it's a good editor.  Then again, for those of us who aren't familiar with it, it's hard to figure out what it can do since there's zero documentation around for it (at least that I've been able to find).

Pete Haworth

On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I know it was a pain to update, but GLX2 was a masterpiece of programming genius. The more I used it the more amazed I was with it. I know Jerry really likes what is now Remo, and in a ton of ways it is better. Well heck it's a different animal! Especially the app browser aspect of things, very cool! Still, GLX2 had some great features, and now I get to use them both! WOO HOOO!!!
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:32 PM, Thunder wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Some Info :
>> 
>> http://runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue37/newsletter4.php
>> 
>> http://runrev.com/newsletter/october/issue35/newsletter2.php
>> 
>> http://runrev.com/newsletter/september/issue33/newsletter1.php
>> -- 
>> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/glx2-tp3082801p3166611.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jan  5 21:28:03 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:28:03 -0800
Subject: Missing plug-in. Again
In-Reply-To: <0F4788ED-090F-4BB1-8522-AFF2A3B6412F@twft.com>
References: <70271.9e62ad5.3a4e60d4@aol.com>
	<4D1D125E.3080007@hyperactivesw.com>
	<0F4788ED-090F-4BB1-8522-AFF2A3B6412F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <3854707015.20110105182803@ahsoftware.net>

Bob-

Wow - that's quite a story. What's an ASROC? Sounds like it should be
a Tolkien beast...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jan  5 21:37:26 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:37:26 -0800
Subject: Getting a public IP address when connected to a router
In-Reply-To: <F0D3F76E-E66F-4344-815A-3A43144A4E03@twft.com>
References: <1jtrrul.1odj9burukgpnM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
	<65163329687.20101219165059@ahsoftware.net>
	<4D0EB460.2030308@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F0D3F76E-E66F-4344-815A-3A43144A4E03@twft.com>
Message-ID: <7555270640.20110105183726@ahsoftware.net>

Bob-

Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 10:30:22 AM, you wrote:

> Downing some shots might also help...

Cool. I'm on it.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Jan  6 03:37:26 2011
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 09:37:26 +0100
Subject: AW: Windows error 32
In-Reply-To: <4D0C178D.7040100@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D0C178D.7040100@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <002201cbad7c$f6154490$e23fcdb0$@de>

Hi Richard,

I can't provide a solution but can tell, that I see from time to time the
same behavior, using innosetup. Everything is deleted, except the empty
appfolder. Innosetup even has a section to define objects to delete after
everything, but this doesn't works also from time to time. It is the same,
if you uninstall the app from the control panel or the uninstaller from the
appfolder. The people in the inno uselist say, it's a windows problem and
there is no solution what I can change in innosetup. So I gave up some time
and keep it like that, knowing that windows keeps so much trash behind it...

Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Richard Gaskin
> Gesendet: Samstag, 18. Dezember 2010 03:08
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Windows error 32
> 
> I'm making an uninstaller for one of my apps on Windows, and
> everything's working swell except for one detail:
> 
> I can delete all files and folders related to the install with ease,
> but
> when I try to delete the application folder sysError returns 32, which
> means it's in use by another process.
> 
> Here's the setup:
> 
> The uninstaller works as we're required to do on Windows: when launched
> it makes a copy of itself into the temp folder, and launches that copy
> after which the original quits.  We have to do that because of course
> an
> app can't delete itself.  The copy has the UI that the user clicks to
> start the uninstall.
> 
> That copy in temp works great, and clears out everything, even the
> original uninstaller that launched it.
> 
> The one thing it can't do is delete the folder the app was originally
> in, which is in the Program Files directory, e.g.:
> 
>    C:\Program Files\MyApp\
> 
> It seems weird to me that I can so easily delete all the contents of
> that folder, even all the nested subfolders that were in it, yet not
> the
> folder itself.
> 
> And yes, I've checked: the folder is indeed empty.
> 
> Even weirder, I can open LC afterward and run this in the Message Box:
> 
>     delete folder "C:/Program Files/MyApp/"
> 
> ...and it deletes as expected without complaint.
> 
> My first hunch was that since the original uninstaller app is launching
> the one doing the deleting, maybe I could add another layer of
> misdirection by having a copy of that app make another app in temp just
> to delete the damn folder.  No go, same error 32.
> 
> Any of you come across something like this before?  How did you get
> around it?
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Media Corporation
>   ___________________________________________________________
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From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 05:16:27 2011
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 11:16:27 +0100
Subject: Paint tools in iOS applications
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=bXaDQt0iGuhQ7SPG7cHKLzNickLVxwkc1mdX=@mail.gmail.com>

Can we use paint tools in iOS applications?

I set up a stack with an image area and 2 buttons with the following scripts:

-- button 1

on mouseUp

?? set the brush to 8

?? set the brushColor to black

?? choose brush tool

end mouseUp

-- button 2

on mouseUp

?? choose browse tool

end mouseUp



It looks like the brush tool does not work properly using theiPad
simulator and I can not draw.

Any advice?

Thanks

Paolo Mazza



From wolff at moz.ac.at  Sun Jan  2 20:11:13 2011
From: wolff at moz.ac.at (lupuss)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:11:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Midi programming
In-Reply-To: <D835EE16-D970-4CDA-AC47-85D0C6296796@kenjikojima.com>
References: <01B415D6-3951-4F5F-B380-342DA9E34352@free.fr>
	<D835EE16-D970-4CDA-AC47-85D0C6296796@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <1294017073581-3171437.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi,
I also would like to have the possibility of a communication with a midi
instrument in/out via USB. From what I understand the UDI program just lets
you play preprogrammed sequences.
Lupuss
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jan  6 06:21:05 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 03:21:05 -0800
Subject: Paint tools in iOS applications
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=bXaDQt0iGuhQ7SPG7cHKLzNickLVxwkc1mdX=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C94AE5A1.4FD3B%scott@tactilemedia.com>

I tried a quick test and it doesn't seem like paint is working.  I can kind
of get some broken-cursor white box painting to show up in a filled image,
but it's definitely not producing the proper results over here (iPod Touch).

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, paolo mazza wrote:

> Can we use paint tools in iOS applications?
> 
> I set up a stack with an image area and 2 buttons with the following scripts:
> 
> -- button 1
> 
> on mouseUp
> 
> ?? set the brush to 8
> 
> ?? set the brushColor to black
> 
> ?? choose brush tool
> 
> end mouseUp
> 
> -- button 2
> 
> on mouseUp
> 
> ?? choose browse tool
> 
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> 
> It looks like the brush tool does not work properly using theiPad
> simulator and I can not draw.
> 
> Any advice?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Paolo Mazza





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan  6 07:55:05 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 04:55:05 -0800
Subject: AW: Windows error 32
Message-ID: <4D25BBA9.40906@fourthworld.com>

Tiemo Hollmann wrote:

> I can't provide a solution but can tell, that I see from time to time the
> same behavior, using innosetup. Everything is deleted, except the empty
> appfolder. Innosetup even has a section to define objects to delete after
> everything, but this doesn't works also from time to time. It is the same,
> if you uninstall the app from the control panel or the uninstaller from the
> appfolder. The people in the inno uselist say, it's a windows problem and
> there is no solution what I can change in innosetup. So I gave up some time
> and keep it like that, knowing that windows keeps so much trash behind it...

Thanks for chiming in, Tiemo.

I don't know much about the innards of how InnoSetup works, but here the 
issue was apparently resolved by changing the working directory.   We 
just went through a rather substantial round of testing on a wide 
variety of Win systems including all three modern flavors (XP, Vista, 
7), and in all cases the uninstall works well as long as we change the 
working directory from the original to something else before deleting 
that original.

This hypothesis appears to match what the OS is reporting, error 32 
being "resource in use by another application", the other app being the 
file manager.   The file system maintains a working directory property 
for each process, which is more or less what the LiveCode engine is 
using with its internal representation of that, "the default folder".

On some Win systems (95 and 98; couldn't find this option in XP) there's 
a field in the Properties window for an executable to set the initial 
default folder.  That pretty much does what we do in script when we "set 
the default folder to...", changing the working directory for the process.

That was the clue that led me to explore changing the default folder, 
and indeed so far it seems to be the answer, at least for my uninstaller.

The core issue is that the copy of the app which does the actual 
installation was being launched by an app that, like any LC-based app 
(and most others AFAIK), had its working directory set to the one it's 
in.    Since the copy is launched by that original, it's seen by the OS 
as a sort of child process of that original, and the OS maintains its 
record of that original working directory as a resource that's still in 
use, even after that original app had quit, as long as that child 
process (the copy) is running.

FWIW, Wise Install has always deleted everything you tell it without 
exception in my 10 years of working with it, so while it's more 
expensive than InnoSetup it may be a good option if that level of 
tidiness is important to your customers.

As frustrating as computers can be sometimes, I try to maintain the 
understanding that, being deterministic systems, it should be possible 
to solve any problem with them.  The trick is to identify the 
differences between the working and non-working states, and then make 
whatever changes are needed to make the non-working state mirror the 
working one.  Sure, Windows has issues, as do Mac and Linux, but most of 
the time they work as described in their APIs.

In this case I had the advantage of a working state, Wise Install, so I 
had the confidence it should be possible to solve this.

That said, this app has only been in the wild a few days now, so it's 
probably fair to acknowledge that there's a chance we may encounter a 
system on which our uninstall doesn't work completely.

But in the meantime this one seems resolved, and it might be useful to 
know if InnoSetup is changing its working directory before attempting to 
delete the folder in question.  It may be necessary to change that 
directory before launching the copy in tmp - that's what I did here, and 
while I don't know if it would also work if I changed after launching 
the copy, so far doing it as I have seems to solve the problem.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Jan  6 08:25:11 2011
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:25:11 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: Windows error 32
In-Reply-To: <4D25BBA9.40906@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D25BBA9.40906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <003501cbada5$2a478390$7ed68ab0$@de>

Hi Richard,

wow, thanks for your extended explanations, I think I will have them to read
a few more times to get an idea, what the working dir is for, but as far as
I understand so far, I will have a look for the working dir in innosetup,
how I can change it.

Btw. I didn't found the expression "to chime in" in my dictionary ;) beside
for sounds what bells or clocks do....
Always prepared to learn...

Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Richard Gaskin
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2011 13:55
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: AW: Windows error 32
> 
> Tiemo Hollmann wrote:
> 
> > I can't provide a solution but can tell, that I see from time to time
> the
> > same behavior, using innosetup. Everything is deleted, except the
> empty
> > appfolder. Innosetup even has a section to define objects to delete
> after
> > everything, but this doesn't works also from time to time. It is the
> same,
> > if you uninstall the app from the control panel or the uninstaller
> from the
> > appfolder. The people in the inno uselist say, it's a windows problem
> and
> > there is no solution what I can change in innosetup. So I gave up
> some time
> > and keep it like that, knowing that windows keeps so much trash
> behind it...
> 
> Thanks for chiming in, Tiemo.
> 
> I don't know much about the innards of how InnoSetup works, but here
> the
> issue was apparently resolved by changing the working directory.   We
> just went through a rather substantial round of testing on a wide
> variety of Win systems including all three modern flavors (XP, Vista,
> 7), and in all cases the uninstall works well as long as we change the
> working directory from the original to something else before deleting
> that original.
> 
> This hypothesis appears to match what the OS is reporting, error 32
> being "resource in use by another application", the other app being the
> file manager.   The file system maintains a working directory property
> for each process, which is more or less what the LiveCode engine is
> using with its internal representation of that, "the default folder".
> 
> On some Win systems (95 and 98; couldn't find this option in XP)
> there's
> a field in the Properties window for an executable to set the initial
> default folder.  That pretty much does what we do in script when we
> "set
> the default folder to...", changing the working directory for the
> process.
> 
> That was the clue that led me to explore changing the default folder,
> and indeed so far it seems to be the answer, at least for my
> uninstaller.
> 
> The core issue is that the copy of the app which does the actual
> installation was being launched by an app that, like any LC-based app
> (and most others AFAIK), had its working directory set to the one it's
> in.    Since the copy is launched by that original, it's seen by the OS
> as a sort of child process of that original, and the OS maintains its
> record of that original working directory as a resource that's still in
> use, even after that original app had quit, as long as that child
> process (the copy) is running.
> 
> FWIW, Wise Install has always deleted everything you tell it without
> exception in my 10 years of working with it, so while it's more
> expensive than InnoSetup it may be a good option if that level of
> tidiness is important to your customers.
> 
> As frustrating as computers can be sometimes, I try to maintain the
> understanding that, being deterministic systems, it should be possible
> to solve any problem with them.  The trick is to identify the
> differences between the working and non-working states, and then make
> whatever changes are needed to make the non-working state mirror the
> working one.  Sure, Windows has issues, as do Mac and Linux, but most
> of
> the time they work as described in their APIs.
> 
> In this case I had the advantage of a working state, Wise Install, so I
> had the confidence it should be possible to solve this.
> 
> That said, this app has only been in the wild a few days now, so it's
> probably fair to acknowledge that there's a chance we may encounter a
> system on which our uninstall doesn't work completely.
> 
> But in the meantime this one seems resolved, and it might be useful to
> know if InnoSetup is changing its working directory before attempting
> to
> delete the folder in question.  It may be necessary to change that
> directory before launching the copy in tmp - that's what I did here,
> and
> while I don't know if it would also work if I changed after launching
> the copy, so far doing it as I have seems to solve the problem.
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World
>   LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>   Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>   LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan  6 09:18:05 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 06:18:05 -0800
Subject: AW: AW: Windows error 32
Message-ID: <4D25CF1D.406@fourthworld.com>

Tiemo Hollmann wrote:

> wow, thanks for your extended explanations, I think I will have them to read
> a few more times to get an idea, what the working dir is for, but as far as
> I understand so far, I will have a look for the working dir in innosetup,
> how I can change it.

I'd be interested in learning what you find.

That's one of the things I enjoy about computing:  there's always 
something new to learn, it's nearly impossible to get bored. :)


> Btw. I didn't found the expression "to chime in" in my dictionary ;) beside
> for sounds what bells or clocks do....
> Always prepared to learn...

You're doing far better than me.  My gal speaks some German and even 
more French, but I can barely get by with just English (and a little bit 
of Boontling, but that's another story).

One of the most humbling experiences I've had was attending the Euro 
RevCon in Malta, being in a room in which so many people spoke so many 
languages so well.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Jan  6 09:25:20 2011
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:25:20 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: Windows error 32
In-Reply-To: <003501cbada5$2a478390$7ed68ab0$@de>
References: <4D25BBA9.40906@fourthworld.com>
	<003501cbada5$2a478390$7ed68ab0$@de>
Message-ID: <p06240821c94b813f85d9@[192.168.1.94]>

On 06.01.2011 at 14:25 Uhr +0100 Tiemo Hollmann TB apparently wrote:
>
>Btw. I didn't found the expression "to chime in" in my dictionary ;) beside
>for sounds what bells or clocks do....
>Always prepared to learn...
>
>Tiemo
>

<http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&sectHdr=on&spellToler=&search=to+chime+in>

Robert



From claus at dreischer.de  Thu Jan  6 09:29:30 2011
From: claus at dreischer.de (Claus Dreischer)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:29:30 +0100
Subject: size of window decorations
Message-ID: <4D25D1CA.7010206@dreischer.de>

Hello,

is there a way to determine the size of the window decorations (the
stuff the OS is painting around my stack)?

I would like to move my stack into the upper left corner, but without
the knowledge of the real height of the whole window (stack + window
decorations), i don't know how much i should add to the height of this
stack.

This also depends on the window style (classic 2000, XP, Vista, etc).

Is there a way?


Regards,
	Claus.



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu Jan  6 09:47:34 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:47:34 +0100
Subject: size of window decorations
In-Reply-To: <4D25D1CA.7010206@dreischer.de>
References: <4D25D1CA.7010206@dreischer.de>
Message-ID: <F7C9FCDF-8CEC-4B34-A7E3-DC6CD0CC98D7@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Claus,

> Hello,
> 
> is there a way to determine the size of the window decorations (the
> stuff the OS is painting around my stack)?
> 
> I would like to move my stack into the upper left corner, but without
> the knowledge of the real height of the whole window (stack + window
> decorations), i don't know how much i should add to the height of this
> stack.
> 
> This also depends on the window style (classic 2000, XP, Vista, etc).
> 
> Is there a way?

I found this old text file on my hd, no idea who was the author or
if this still applies today:

##################################################
The following is best viewed in a monospaced font:

    OS        Platform  SystemVersion  Title Bar LeftSide RightSide Bottom

Windows 95    Win32       4.0            24        4        4        4
Windows 98    Win32       4.10           24        4        4        4
Windows XP    Win32       NT 5.1         30        4        4        4
Mac OS 9      MacOS       9.2.2          22        6        7        6
Mac OS X      MacOS       10.2.6         22        1        1        1

I'm hoping that these figures enable the developer to use the default
WindowBoundingRect to set a new, more restrictive WindowBoundingRect
to ensure a stack window just fills the available screen space.
#################################################

Hope that helps!

> Regards,
> 	Claus.

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From rev at nonsanity.com  Thu Jan  6 10:00:50 2011
From: rev at nonsanity.com (Nonsanity)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:00:50 -0500
Subject: AW: Windows error 32
In-Reply-To: <4D25BBA9.40906@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D25BBA9.40906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin5BmgzTN2rv6QfeBuks1OMJU0uhT20Zti7TeBn@mail.gmail.com>

A tool I've used on Windows to good measure is Unlocker [1]. If you manually
try to delete something that can't be deleted, it will tell you why, what
task is responsible, and let you sever the connection so you can continue in
your wanton destruction of data unimpeded.

 ~ Chris Innanen
 ~ Nonsanity

[1] http://download.cnet.com/Unlocker/3000-2248_4-10493998.html



On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> Tiemo Hollmann wrote:
>
>  I can't provide a solution but can tell, that I see from time to time the
>> same behavior, using innosetup. Everything is deleted, except the empty
>> appfolder. Innosetup even has a section to define objects to delete after
>> everything, but this doesn't works also from time to time. It is the same,
>> if you uninstall the app from the control panel or the uninstaller from
>> the
>> appfolder. The people in the inno uselist say, it's a windows problem and
>> there is no solution what I can change in innosetup. So I gave up some
>> time
>> and keep it like that, knowing that windows keeps so much trash behind
>> it...
>>
>
> Thanks for chiming in, Tiemo.
>
> I don't know much about the innards of how InnoSetup works, but here the
> issue was apparently resolved by changing the working directory.   We just
> went through a rather substantial round of testing on a wide variety of Win
> systems including all three modern flavors (XP, Vista, 7), and in all cases
> the uninstall works well as long as we change the working directory from the
> original to something else before deleting that original.
>
> This hypothesis appears to match what the OS is reporting, error 32 being
> "resource in use by another application", the other app being the file
> manager.   The file system maintains a working directory property for each
> process, which is more or less what the LiveCode engine is using with its
> internal representation of that, "the default folder".
>
> On some Win systems (95 and 98; couldn't find this option in XP) there's a
> field in the Properties window for an executable to set the initial default
> folder.  That pretty much does what we do in script when we "set the default
> folder to...", changing the working directory for the process.
>
> That was the clue that led me to explore changing the default folder, and
> indeed so far it seems to be the answer, at least for my uninstaller.
>
> The core issue is that the copy of the app which does the actual
> installation was being launched by an app that, like any LC-based app (and
> most others AFAIK), had its working directory set to the one it's in.
>  Since the copy is launched by that original, it's seen by the OS as a sort
> of child process of that original, and the OS maintains its record of that
> original working directory as a resource that's still in use, even after
> that original app had quit, as long as that child process (the copy) is
> running.
>
> FWIW, Wise Install has always deleted everything you tell it without
> exception in my 10 years of working with it, so while it's more expensive
> than InnoSetup it may be a good option if that level of tidiness is
> important to your customers.
>
> As frustrating as computers can be sometimes, I try to maintain the
> understanding that, being deterministic systems, it should be possible to
> solve any problem with them.  The trick is to identify the differences
> between the working and non-working states, and then make whatever changes
> are needed to make the non-working state mirror the working one.  Sure,
> Windows has issues, as do Mac and Linux, but most of the time they work as
> described in their APIs.
>
> In this case I had the advantage of a working state, Wise Install, so I had
> the confidence it should be possible to solve this.
>
> That said, this app has only been in the wild a few days now, so it's
> probably fair to acknowledge that there's a chance we may encounter a system
> on which our uninstall doesn't work completely.
>
> But in the meantime this one seems resolved, and it might be useful to know
> if InnoSetup is changing its working directory before attempting to delete
> the folder in question.  It may be necessary to change that directory before
> launching the copy in tmp - that's what I did here, and while I don't know
> if it would also work if I changed after launching the copy, so far doing it
> as I have seems to solve the problem.
>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan  6 10:31:11 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:31:11 -0800
Subject: size of window decorations
Message-ID: <4D25E03F.2060802@fourthworld.com>

Claus Dreischer wrote:

> is there a way to determine the size of the window decorations (the
> stuff the OS is painting around my stack)?
>
> I would like to move my stack into the upper left corner, but without
> the knowledge of the real height of the whole window (stack + window
> decorations), i don't know how much i should add to the height of this
> stack.
>
> This also depends on the window style (classic 2000, XP, Vista, etc).
>
> Is there a way?

On Mac the window size isn't customizable, so you can measure a screen 
shot and be done with it.

For Windows, Klaus' list is very helpful for the default values, but 
because those can be adjusted by the user in their Control Panel it may 
be better to work from the registry setting for that.

Here's a snipped of a routine I use to place windows(be mindful of email 
text wrapping):

   if last word of the systemVersion >= 6 then
       get queryRegistry("HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control 
Panel\desktop\WindowMetrics\PaddedBorderWidth")
     else
       get queryRegistry("HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control 
Panel\desktop\WindowMetrics\BorderWidth")
     end if
     if (it is not a number) or ( it = 0) then put 1 into g4WWinMargin
     else
       put round(it / -15) into g4WWinMargin
     end if


Note that the reg key used differs by OS version.  An unnecessary drag, 
IMO, and cost me a bit of time turning it up when Vista came out, but 
good to know when you need it.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan  6 10:54:20 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 07:54:20 -0800
Subject: [OT] Why is Brazil like Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <1294219871394-3175061.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4D1F9E45.8090702@gmail.com>
	<1294200333353-3174833.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTi=S-k4Cp=TVmRZJK38r4W5tz9NFooNKzctvmmc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D240AD5.2080204@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1294219871394-3175061.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <97803660-3F55-40CB-BCD9-0C4D08D4B2FD@twft.com>

They also both contain an "l", an "i", an "r" and an "a". 

Bob


On Jan 5, 2011, at 1:31 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>> You mean "some developers are better than the other developers?"
>> lol
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZldlyeR8DU
> At least from my point of view, the lesson of the fable "Animal Farm"
> is that "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
> or "Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"
> 
> Unlimited power in the hands of few is the main common characteristic
> between Bulgaria and Brasil.
> 
> Other is... that both names starts with "B". :-)




From claus at dreischer.de  Thu Jan  6 11:10:04 2011
From: claus at dreischer.de (Claus Dreischer)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:10:04 +0100
Subject: size of window decorations
In-Reply-To: <F7C9FCDF-8CEC-4B34-A7E3-DC6CD0CC98D7@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4D25D1CA.7010206@dreischer.de>
	<F7C9FCDF-8CEC-4B34-A7E3-DC6CD0CC98D7@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4D25E95C.7010601@dreischer.de>

Hi Klaus (the Great :-),

this does help indeed, but (there is always a but, right?)
where do i check which window style is used?

Here on WinXP i use the classic style because the windows are a bit
smaller, not the Windows XP style.

Any idea where i can look that up?

Regards,
	Claus.


Am 06.01.11 15:47, schrieb Klaus on-rev:
> Hi Claus,
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> is there a way to determine the size of the window decorations (the
>> stuff the OS is painting around my stack)?
>>
>> I would like to move my stack into the upper left corner, but without
>> the knowledge of the real height of the whole window (stack + window
>> decorations), i don't know how much i should add to the height of this
>> stack.
>>
>> This also depends on the window style (classic 2000, XP, Vista, etc).
>>
>> Is there a way?
> 
> I found this old text file on my hd, no idea who was the author or
> if this still applies today:
> 
> ##################################################
> The following is best viewed in a monospaced font:
> 
>     OS        Platform  SystemVersion  Title Bar LeftSide RightSide Bottom
> 
> Windows 95    Win32       4.0            24        4        4        4
> Windows 98    Win32       4.10           24        4        4        4
> Windows XP    Win32       NT 5.1         30        4        4        4
> Mac OS 9      MacOS       9.2.2          22        6        7        6
> Mac OS X      MacOS       10.2.6         22        1        1        1
> 
> I'm hoping that these figures enable the developer to use the default
> WindowBoundingRect to set a new, more restrictive WindowBoundingRect
> to ensure a stack window just fills the available screen space.
> #################################################
> 
> Hope that helps!
> 
>> Regards,
>> 	Claus.
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 
> 
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From claus at dreischer.de  Thu Jan  6 11:43:21 2011
From: claus at dreischer.de (Claus Dreischer)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:43:21 +0100
Subject: size of window decorations
In-Reply-To: <4D25E03F.2060802@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D25E03F.2060802@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4D25F129.4030305@dreischer.de>

Hello Richard,

thanks for that snippet, but it returns 1 here, which is not like in
Klaus' table, or i completely misunderstood you.

But you gave me a pointer: I think i can frickel something when i use
this key too to get the height of the decorations:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\desktop\WindowMetrics\CaptionHeight

At least it changes from -375/15 (XP Style) to -270/15 (Classic Style) ...


Regards,
	Claus.



Am 06.01.11 16:31, schrieb Richard Gaskin:
> Claus Dreischer wrote:
> 
>> is there a way to determine the size of the window decorations (the
>> stuff the OS is painting around my stack)?
>>
>> I would like to move my stack into the upper left corner, but without
>> the knowledge of the real height of the whole window (stack + window
>> decorations), i don't know how much i should add to the height of this
>> stack.
>>
>> This also depends on the window style (classic 2000, XP, Vista, etc).
>>
>> Is there a way?
> 
> On Mac the window size isn't customizable, so you can measure a screen
> shot and be done with it.
> 
> For Windows, Klaus' list is very helpful for the default values, but
> because those can be adjusted by the user in their Control Panel it may
> be better to work from the registry setting for that.
> 
> Here's a snipped of a routine I use to place windows(be mindful of email
> text wrapping):
> 
>   if last word of the systemVersion >= 6 then
>       get queryRegistry("HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control
> Panel\desktop\WindowMetrics\PaddedBorderWidth")
>     else
>       get queryRegistry("HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control
> Panel\desktop\WindowMetrics\BorderWidth")
>     end if
>     if (it is not a number) or ( it = 0) then put 1 into g4WWinMargin
>     else
>       put round(it / -15) into g4WWinMargin
>     end if
> 
> 
> Note that the reg key used differs by OS version.  An unnecessary drag,
> IMO, and cost me a bit of time turning it up when Vista came out, but
> good to know when you need it.
> 
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan  6 12:46:52 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 09:46:52 -0800
Subject: size of window decorations
Message-ID: <4D26000C.2010903@fourthworld.com>

Claus Dreischer wrote:

> thanks for that snippet, but it returns 1 here, which is not like in
> Klaus' table, or i completely misunderstood you.
>
> But you gave me a pointer: I think i can frickel something when i use
> this key too to get the height of the decorations:
>
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\desktop\WindowMetrics\CaptionHeight
>
> At least it changes from -375/15 (XP Style) to -270/15 (Classic Style) ...

Yep, those are the values you should use.  In my haste to paste that 
code I didn't clean out the rest of the irrelevant stuff.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan  6 13:00:52 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:00:52 -0800
Subject: [OT] What is an ASROC
In-Reply-To: <3854707015.20110105182803@ahsoftware.net>
References: <70271.9e62ad5.3a4e60d4@aol.com>
	<4D1D125E.3080007@hyperactivesw.com>
	<0F4788ED-090F-4BB1-8522-AFF2A3B6412F@twft.com>
	<3854707015.20110105182803@ahsoftware.net>
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Nuclear capable anti-submarine anti-surface torpedo. I'n not sure if they even still use them, but there was always the threat of some terrorist group forcing their way onto the ship and trying to set off one of the nukes just for the effect of the local radiation. They could not arm the torpedoes without compromising the CO, XO and President of the United States at the same time, so no worries about a full scale nuke going off. 

This may come as a shock to some, but we were under strict orders that if a terrorist was using a shipmate as a shield, that we were to shoot through the shipmate to kill the terrorist. You could do it with those old military 45's, but the 9 mils they replaced them with are crap, if you ask me. You could shoot a drug crazed terrorist with a full clip and he would still get you, 3 of your shipmates AND blow the nuke before he dropped dead. Okay I'm exaggerating. Maybe not a full clip...

Crazy stuff huh? But what would you rather have? A dead shipmate and dead terrorist, or a whole shipyard irradiated AND everyone on the ship and within a 5 mile radius dead anyway? Thankfully, we never had to make that decision, but that is the kind of world that terrorism creates when we allow it to exist, because the only cultures that are taught to live and let live it seems are the western ones. <sigh> there I go again. 

Bob


On Jan 5, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Bob-
> 
> Wow - that's quite a story. What's an ASROC? Sounds like it should be
> a Tolkien beast...
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan  6 13:03:20 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:03:20 -0800
Subject: AW: Windows error 32
In-Reply-To: <4D25BBA9.40906@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D25BBA9.40906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <8A89FD95-E7A7-436B-A8DA-B415512BE3F6@twft.com>

I'll bet a steak dinner at the next LiveCode convention that if you show hidden files and system files and then run the uninstaller in the old mode, you will see new temporary files created. 

Bob


On Jan 6, 2011, at 4:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Tiemo Hollmann wrote:
> 
>> I can't provide a solution but can tell, that I see from time to time the
>> same behavior, using innosetup. Everything is deleted, except the empty
>> appfolder. Innosetup even has a section to define objects to delete after
>> everything, but this doesn't works also from time to time. It is the same,
>> if you uninstall the app from the control panel or the uninstaller from the
>> appfolder. The people in the inno uselist say, it's a windows problem and
>> there is no solution what I can change in innosetup. So I gave up some time
>> and keep it like that, knowing that windows keeps so much trash behind it...
> 
> Thanks for chiming in, Tiemo.
> 
> I don't know much about the innards of how InnoSetup works, but here the issue was apparently resolved by changing the working directory.   We just went through a rather substantial round of testing on a wide variety of Win systems including all three modern flavors (XP, Vista, 7), and in all cases the uninstall works well as long as we change the working directory from the original to something else before deleting that original.
<snip>


From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan  6 13:05:01 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:05:01 -0800
Subject: AW: AW: Windows error 32
In-Reply-To: <003501cbada5$2a478390$7ed68ab0$@de>
References: <4D25BBA9.40906@fourthworld.com>
	<003501cbada5$2a478390$7ed68ab0$@de>
Message-ID: <7984FD38-9A34-45F9-85D2-B8B4F5F9CD95@twft.com>

I believe the connotation implies sounding off at the appropriate time, which in a loose way refers to someone contributing to a conversation in turn. Odd language, huh?

Bob


On Jan 6, 2011, at 5:25 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hi Richard,
> 
> wow, thanks for your extended explanations, I think I will have them to read
> a few more times to get an idea, what the working dir is for, but as far as
> I understand so far, I will have a look for the working dir in innosetup,
> how I can change it.
> 
> Btw. I didn't found the expression "to chime in" in my dictionary ;) beside
> for sounds what bells or clocks do....
> Always prepared to learn...
> 
> Tiemo




From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan  6 13:10:24 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:10:24 -0800
Subject: [OT] Table Creation Syntax + Visual SQL Query Builder // A GREAT
	Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <C94AB44F.E3139%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
References: <C94AB44F.E3139%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <9E59EF5A-7806-4CBA-8486-C32788B1FDAF@twft.com>

Yup I knew that, but I have found that for some reason I cannot use the RevDB commands with exactly the SQL from SHOW CREATE TABLE in every case, because some mySQL implementations do not allow you to specify the database type, like On-Rev for example. 

Bob


On Jan 5, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> Hi Bob,
> 
> Do you mean that you create table using GUI dialog,
> Then you can see SQL CREATE TABLE command?
> 
> Well, actually mySQL itself can do this:
>    SHOW CREATE TABLE command, can produce SQL command for any existed table




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan  6 13:41:16 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:41:16 -0800
Subject: AW: Windows error 32
Message-ID: <4D260CCC.6010408@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > I'll bet a steak dinner at the next LiveCode convention that if
 > you show hidden files and system files and then run the uninstaller
 > in the old mode, you will see new temporary files created.

I'd take your bet, but I should warn you first that I always run my Win 
systems with hidden files showing (I need it to get into Application 
Data), and I double-checked using LC's "files" function too.

But it would be nice to share a meal with you just the same. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan  6 13:42:15 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:42:15 -0600
Subject: Missing plug-in. Again
In-Reply-To: <11032005-7D64-45D1-BCFB-EAD48F3EE71B@twft.com>
References: <mailman.5657.1293750880.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>	<9CD314AE-74B2-4551-AEB3-40974A8F5112@sbcglobal.net>	<821110092953.20101230155017@ahsoftware.net>	<EDDC5BDE-CD99-4C5D-9B04-0CA1E827FF7D@twft.com>	<4D24DD68.7070709@hyperactivesw.com>
	<11032005-7D64-45D1-BCFB-EAD48F3EE71B@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D260D07.5030602@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/5/11 3:40 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> So with my method, I have only just shot my big toe off, as opposed
> to blowing whole chunks of meat away? Since I would still have to
> repoint my prefs to the universal location anyway?

Yeah, sort of. You probably wouldn't miss a toe too much though.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan  6 13:43:47 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:43:47 -0800
Subject: AW: AW: Windows error 32
Message-ID: <4D260D63.2070304@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > I believe the connotation implies sounding off at the appropriate
 > time, which in a loose way refers to someone contributing to a
 > conversation in turn. Odd language, huh?

I like to think of it as introducing a brief tone of clarity into the 
conversation. :)


 > On Jan 6, 2011, at 5:25 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
...
 >> Btw. I didn't found the expression "to chime in" in my dictionary ;)
 >> beside for sounds what bells or clocks do....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan  6 14:04:43 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 11:04:43 -0800
Subject: [OT] Table Creation Syntax + Visual SQL Query Builder // A GREAT
	Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <C94AB44F.E3139%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
References: <C94AB44F.E3139%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <01FA47D8-C06C-47D4-B3AD-00ABEA462CE3@twft.com>

For sqLite I do something like this (keeping in mind I use sqlYoga):

    put dbconn_get("connection id", "secconn", "secondary") into theSecID -- sqlYoga
    put "SELECT tbl_name,sql FROM sqlite_master WHERE type = table" \
            into theSQL
    replace "tbl_name" with quote & "tbl_name" & quote in theSQL
    replace "sql " with quote & "sql" & quote & space in theSQL
    replace "table" with quote & "table" & quote in theSQL
    put revDataFromQuery(comma, return, theSecID, theSQL) into theSQLData

This will give me all the Create Table syntax for every table in the sqLite database I access. 

Bob


On Jan 5, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> On 1/5/11 10:57 PM, "Bob Sneidar" <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> Do you mean that you create table using GUI dialog,
> Then you can see SQL CREATE TABLE command?
> 
> Well, actually mySQL itself can do this:
>    SHOW CREATE TABLE command, can produce SQL command for any existed table
> 
> Valentina db, also can do this.
> 
> But now I think (if you underline this) -- we can easy add such feature to
> our SqlLite plugin in Valentina Studio ...
> 
> SqlLite itself do not have such feature, but as I know we already have such
> code in plugin ... Just we can open this to contextual-menu command I think.
> 
> 
> BTW2. In Valentina Studio we have cool Visual Query Builder.
> It can help produce complex SQL queries by mouse clicks only.
> And good news are that Query Builder already works for SQLite also.
> 
> Enjoy.  :-)
> 
> 
>> Hey nice and it doesn't crash like the old MySQL Tools used to! I especially
>> love the "table creation syntax" which is useful for me when developing, since
>> I am not all that proficient at sql syntax.
>> 
>> Bob
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> 
> Ruslan Zasukhin
> VP Engineering and New Technology
> Paradigma Software, Inc
> 
> Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
> [I feel the need: the need for speed]
> 
> 
> 
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 14:06:13 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 20:06:13 +0100
Subject: DGH Clone Chamber Preview - was datagrid: sharing grid templates
	& copy paste
In-Reply-To: <C2261D08-1190-4F23-927C-33BECC1375CF@twft.com>
References: <AANLkTikzodweZgeOwHuDo-=kXz+hkEVsv_vApXyLgH46@mail.gmail.com>
	<C2261D08-1190-4F23-927C-33BECC1375CF@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinmYqHKYnSX-5TpUsYG4gyyn0B3DLAN1OSMdqGX@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> Zryip, you are fricking amazing! If you are not careful, you are going to
> wake up one day somewhere in Scotland and find you have been shanghai'ed
> into slave labor for LiveCode. Don't get drunk in any scottish pubs!



Hi Bob,

Thanks for the advice and btw all my wishes for the new year ;)

Some news about the cloning chamber: I done a break but I'm now back to
work, testing and improving this feature. Tables and now forms are
confirmed. Some work to accomplish with the template resources (by resources
I mean all the controls in a card template that are not behaviors btn or
controls inside the row template. Could be an image on the card used as a
reference in the template, for example)
Will come soon with the DGH 1.2.0 version.


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc


From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Thu Jan  6 14:11:54 2011
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 21:11:54 +0200
Subject: [OT] Table Creation Syntax + Visual SQL Query Builder // A GREAT
	Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <01FA47D8-C06C-47D4-B3AD-00ABEA462CE3@twft.com>
Message-ID: <C94BE09A.E3261%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 1/6/11 9:04 PM, "Bob Sneidar" <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> For sqLite I do something like this (keeping in mind I use sqlYoga):
> 
>     put dbconn_get("connection id", "secconn", "secondary") into theSecID --
> sqlYoga
>     put "SELECT tbl_name,sql FROM sqlite_master WHERE type = table" \
>             into theSQL
>     replace "tbl_name" with quote & "tbl_name" & quote in theSQL
>     replace "sql " with quote & "sql" & quote & space in theSQL
>     replace "table" with quote & "table" & quote in theSQL
>     put revDataFromQuery(comma, return, theSecID, theSQL) into theSQLData
> 
> This will give me all the Create Table syntax for every table in the sqLite
> database I access.

I see, Bob,

You are using sqlite_master  system table to extract original
    create table ... command

Interesting, if this is changed on any ALTERs ...
Although it seems there is no alters ...


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]





From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan  6 14:22:52 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 11:22:52 -0800
Subject: [OT] Table Creation Syntax + Visual SQL Query Builder // A GREAT
	Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <C94BE09A.E3261%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
References: <C94BE09A.E3261%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <B8445317-2EFD-4C39-B50F-456FBD739062@twft.com>

Are you saying that an Alter Table command will create a second record with the alter table syntax in it? I didn't know that. It throws a bit of a wrench in my works, but then again the best practices for sqLite table mods is to create a new table with the new structure from scratch and port the old data in from the old table. There are a lot of things you cannot do with Alter Table in sqLite, as was discussed in another thread, so maybe this is a non-starter anyway. 

Bob


On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

>> This will give me all the Create Table syntax for every table in the sqLite
>> database I access.
> 
> I see, Bob,
> 
> You are using sqlite_master  system table to extract original
>    create table ... command
> 
> Interesting, if this is changed on any ALTERs ...
> Although it seems there is no alters ...
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> 
> Ruslan Zasukhin
> VP Engineering and New Technology
> Paradigma Software, Inc




From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Thu Jan  6 14:29:12 2011
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 21:29:12 +0200
Subject: [OT] Table Creation Syntax + Visual SQL Query Builder // A GREAT
	Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <B8445317-2EFD-4C39-B50F-456FBD739062@twft.com>
Message-ID: <C94BE4A8.E326F%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 1/6/11 9:22 PM, "Bob Sneidar" <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> Are you saying that an Alter Table command will create a second record with
> the alter table syntax in it? I didn't know that.

Actually as I know, Sqlite have no normal ALTER Table

> It throws a bit of a wrench
> in my works, but then again the best practices for sqLite table mods is to
> create a new table with the new structure from scratch and port the old data
> in from the old table.

This is "best" practice, because no ALTER.

And our guys have spend days to workaround this behind the scene.
Yes, they do create new table, copy records, trash old ...

> There are a lot of things you cannot do with Alter
> Table in sqLite, as was discussed in another thread, so maybe this is a
> non-starter anyway.

right
 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
> 
>>> This will give me all the Create Table syntax for every table in the sqLite
>>> database I access.
>> 
>> I see, Bob,
>> 
>> You are using sqlite_master  system table to extract original
>>    create table ... command
>> 
>> Interesting, if this is changed on any ALTERs ...
>> Although it seems there is no alters ...

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]





From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jan  6 14:45:29 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:45:29 -0800
Subject: iOS - Hide Status Bar?
Message-ID: <C94B5BD9.4FD85%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Sorry if this is explained somewhere already but is there a LiveCode
setting/property to remove the status bar at the top of the display?

(If not, there should be :-)

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Thu Jan  6 14:47:25 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 11:47:25 -0800
Subject: [OT] Table Creation Syntax + Visual SQL Query Builder // A GREAT
	Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <C94BE4A8.E326F%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
References: <C94BE4A8.E326F%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <5DD519E1-5E1A-43A4-A47E-080F8DDDC3B2@mollysrevenge.com>

SQLite does have an ALTER TABLE command.  You can use it to rename a table or add a column but that's all.  I've used the same technique as Bob to get the CREATE command for a table and I believe that the sql syntax is updated by an ALTER command, not a second entry created.  I use the SQLite admin plugin for Firefox do other types of table structure changes and it does indeed unload the table, delete it, then load it again and it seem to recreate any indexes/triggers associated with the table.  The CREATE syntax in th mastr table is recreated automatically since the table is re-created.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> On 1/6/11 9:22 PM, "Bob Sneidar" <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> 
>> Are you saying that an Alter Table command will create a second record with
>> the alter table syntax in it? I didn't know that.
> 
> Actually as I know, Sqlite have no normal ALTER Table
> 
>> It throws a bit of a wrench
>> in my works, but then again the best practices for sqLite table mods is to
>> create a new table with the new structure from scratch and port the old data
>> in from the old table.
> 
> This is "best" practice, because no ALTER.
> 
> And our guys have spend days to workaround this behind the scene.
> Yes, they do create new table, copy records, trash old ...
> 
>> There are a lot of things you cannot do with Alter
>> Table in sqLite, as was discussed in another thread, so maybe this is a
>> non-starter anyway.
> 
> right
> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
>> 
>>>> This will give me all the Create Table syntax for every table in the sqLite
>>>> database I access.
>>> 
>>> I see, Bob,
>>> 
>>> You are using sqlite_master  system table to extract original
>>>   create table ... command
>>> 
>>> Interesting, if this is changed on any ALTERs ...
>>> Although it seems there is no alters ...
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> 
> Ruslan Zasukhin
> VP Engineering and New Technology
> Paradigma Software, Inc
> 
> Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
> [I feel the need: the need for speed]
> 
> 
> 
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Thu Jan  6 14:50:36 2011
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 13:50:36 -0600
Subject: iOS - Hide Status Bar?
In-Reply-To: <C94B5BD9.4FD85%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94B5BD9.4FD85%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <AAD73682-039F-42E0-96CF-6364E950F2D9@mac.com>

Hi Scott,

Standalone application settings... iOS, bottom left, radio buttons.... Status Bar... Visible   Hidden  

take care,
randy hengst
-----
On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:45 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Sorry if this is explained somewhere already but is there a LiveCode
> setting/property to remove the status bar at the top of the display?
> 
> (If not, there should be :-)
> 
> Thanks & Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jan  6 15:06:23 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:06:23 -0800
Subject: iOS - Hide Status Bar?
In-Reply-To: <AAD73682-039F-42E0-96CF-6364E950F2D9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C94B60BF.4FD8B%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Thanks Randy -- I figured it had to be somewhere.  I'm wondering if it would
be more useful to establish this as a toggle-able property, as opposed to an
on/off build setting...

Happy New Year,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, Randy Hengst wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> 
> Standalone application settings... iOS, bottom left, radio buttons.... Status
> Bar... Visible   Hidden
> 
> take care,
> randy hengst
> -----
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:45 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> 
>> Sorry if this is explained somewhere already but is there a LiveCode
>> setting/property to remove the status bar at the top of the display?
>> 
>> (If not, there should be :-)
>> 
>> Thanks & Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan  6 16:20:25 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 13:20:25 -0800
Subject: [OT] Table Creation Syntax + Visual SQL Query Builder // A GREAT
	Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <5DD519E1-5E1A-43A4-A47E-080F8DDDC3B2@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <C94BE4A8.E326F%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
	<5DD519E1-5E1A-43A4-A47E-080F8DDDC3B2@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <5305FEF2-BB8E-42A4-8872-C350E05517B6@twft.com>

Good to know Peter. I have been working on a Table Merge function for some time, and one of the features is to be able to isolate the SQL for creation of a table, allow the user to pick which columns to merge between the tables, ant then if necessary, create the table in the destination database with the columns that the user selected. So a method for producing the exact syntax for table and column was essential to this. 

It's still buggy, but functional. I keep going back through and reworking things, mainly interface issues. But the code to actually create new tables and insert columns into existing ones identical to the source columns is all intact. It's been a fun project and has taught me a lot about SQL, specifically the subtle differences in syntax, which SQL was supposedly going to eliminate when it was first conceived. 

Bob


On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> SQLite does have an ALTER TABLE command.  You can use it to rename a table or add a column but that's all.  I've used the same technique as Bob to get the CREATE command for a table and I believe that the sql syntax is updated by an ALTER command, not a second entry created.  I use the SQLite admin plugin for Firefox do other types of table structure changes and it does indeed unload the table, delete it, then load it again and it seem to recreate any indexes/triggers associated with the table.  The CREATE syntax in th mastr table is recreated automatically since the table is re-created.
> 
> Pete Haworth




From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Thu Jan  6 16:45:56 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 13:45:56 -0800
Subject: [OT] Table Creation Syntax + Visual SQL Query Builder // A GREAT
	Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <5305FEF2-BB8E-42A4-8872-C350E05517B6@twft.com>
References: <C94BE4A8.E326F%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
	<5DD519E1-5E1A-43A4-A47E-080F8DDDC3B2@mollysrevenge.com>
	<5305FEF2-BB8E-42A4-8872-C350E05517B6@twft.com>
Message-ID: <FBBF7A2B-E60B-4E3A-AEED-CA2AD95214E7@mollysrevenge.com>

Sounds interesting Bob.  I'm not doing anything close to that but I am getting a list of tables in the db and then a list of columns in each table.  I use the revDatabaseTable Names to get a list of tables and then revDataFromQuery(,,DBID,"PRAGMA table_info(tablename)") to get the column info for all the columns in the table.  The column info includes the column name, data type, whether or not the column can be NULL, and the default value for the column, plus an indication of whether the column is the primary key or not.  

Unfortunately it doesn't give you everything you need to recreate that column elsewhere so may not be useful for you.  For example, there's no foreign key information there although there is another PRAGMA that will get you that info given a column name.  If you can get the info you need, it could save you some pretty tricky parsing of the CREATE statement.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Good to know Peter. I have been working on a Table Merge function for some time, and one of the features is to be able to isolate the SQL for creation of a table, allow the user to pick which columns to merge between the tables, ant then if necessary, create the table in the destination database with the columns that the user selected. So a method for producing the exact syntax for table and column was essential to this. 
> 
> It's still buggy, but functional. I keep going back through and reworking things, mainly interface issues. But the code to actually create new tables and insert columns into existing ones identical to the source columns is all intact. It's been a fun project and has taught me a lot about SQL, specifically the subtle differences in syntax, which SQL was supposedly going to eliminate when it was first conceived. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> 
>> SQLite does have an ALTER TABLE command.  You can use it to rename a table or add a column but that's all.  I've used the same technique as Bob to get the CREATE command for a table and I believe that the sql syntax is updated by an ALTER command, not a second entry created.  I use the SQLite admin plugin for Firefox do other types of table structure changes and it does indeed unload the table, delete it, then load it again and it seem to recreate any indexes/triggers associated with the table.  The CREATE syntax in th mastr table is recreated automatically since the table is re-created.
>> 
>> Pete Haworth
> 
> 
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Thu Jan  6 16:50:00 2011
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:50:00 -0600
Subject: iOS - Hide Status Bar?
In-Reply-To: <C94B60BF.4FD8B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94B60BF.4FD8B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <81C6CFD0-6C8A-43D0-BB61-E0053FBF7069@mac.com>

Scott,

The setting is scriptable...  see p 27-28 of iOS Deployment Release Notes (R21)

If you don't have that handy... here's the info

Status bar configuration support
You can now configure the status bar that appears at the top of the iOS screen. 
To control the visibility of the status bar use the following commands:
iphoneShowStatusBar 
iphoneHideStatusBar

To control the style of the status bar use the following command:
iphoneSetStatusBarStyle style 
Where style is one of:
?	default ? the default mode for the device 
?	translucent ? a semi-transparent status bar (in this case the stack will appear underneath it)
 ?	opaque ? a black status bar (in this case the stack will appear below it).

On iPad devices, anything other that default has no effect.

take care,
randy
-----
On Jan 6, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Thanks Randy -- I figured it had to be somewhere.  I'm wondering if it would
> be more useful to establish this as a toggle-able property, as opposed to an
> on/off build setting...


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 17:02:33 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:02:33 -0500
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <74B6710D-8FB7-44B0-A23F-C9BFF1076B7B@twft.com>
References: <4D19B3FE.4040907@pdslabs.net>
	<74B6710D-8FB7-44B0-A23F-C9BFF1076B7B@twft.com>
Message-ID: <9A141EFE-4043-4C51-97E5-E886F28E94E0@gmail.com>

On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Thanks pretty useful if you know already what the command is you  
> need help with. Looks like you are getting the man pages via a shell  
> call yourself.
>
> What would make this marketable is if there was a way to list all  
> the shell commands available to the system and present them to the  
> user in a list, have the user be able to click on a shell command  
> and have the man page load, and then be able to insert the command  
> into a rev script with the proper LiveCode syntax. I would pay money  
> for that!
>
> Bob

That was just my reaction to the stack -- great if you know what  
you're doing already, but you have to know shell commands. (I dropped  
it into my Plugins folder anyway....)

Is there a shell command to get all the shell commands on the  
currently running system? If so, it should be a snap to expand the  
stack accordingly.

> On Dec 28, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I just uploaded a new version of the Shell() Command Help plugin.
>>
>> New features:
>> - Search for words in the displayed help text.
>> - Print the displayed help text.
>> - Use arrow keys to retrieve previous commands (like the LC message  
>> box).
>>
>> Enjoy!
>> -- 
>> Phil Davis

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 17:09:40 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:09:40 -0700
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <9A141EFE-4043-4C51-97E5-E886F28E94E0@gmail.com>
References: <4D19B3FE.4040907@pdslabs.net>
	<74B6710D-8FB7-44B0-A23F-C9BFF1076B7B@twft.com>
	<9A141EFE-4043-4C51-97E5-E886F28E94E0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimpNr0HJG5i2SCyxBxGj40vRQxyzk_CC0rAQvii@mail.gmail.com>

Closest thing I know of would be apropos. Not a complete list, but a more
'targeted' list. Could implement a search box that returns an apropos list
(on mac and linux) and use that for a clickable.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>  Thanks pretty useful if you know already what the command is you need help
>> with. Looks like you are getting the man pages via a shell call yourself.
>>
>> What would make this marketable is if there was a way to list all the
>> shell commands available to the system and present them to the user in a
>> list, have the user be able to click on a shell command and have the man
>> page load, and then be able to insert the command into a rev script with the
>> proper LiveCode syntax. I would pay money for that!
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
> That was just my reaction to the stack -- great if you know what you're
> doing already, but you have to know shell commands. (I dropped it into my
> Plugins folder anyway....)
>
> Is there a shell command to get all the shell commands on the currently
> running system? If so, it should be a snap to expand the stack accordingly.
>
>  On Dec 28, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
>>
>>  Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I just uploaded a new version of the Shell() Command Help plugin.
>>>
>>> New features:
>>> - Search for words in the displayed help text.
>>> - Print the displayed help text.
>>> - Use arrow keys to retrieve previous commands (like the LC message box).
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>> --
>>> Phil Davis
>>>
>>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
>
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From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Thu Jan  6 17:35:29 2011
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 00:35:29 +0200
Subject: [OT] Table Creation Syntax + Visual SQL Query Builder // A GREAT
	Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <5DD519E1-5E1A-43A4-A47E-080F8DDDC3B2@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <C94C1051.E32C1%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 1/6/11 9:47 PM, "Peter Haworth" <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:

Hi Peter,

> SQLite does have an ALTER TABLE command.  You can use it to rename a table or
> add a column but that's all.

Right. This is why I say no _normal_  ALTER command

>  I've used the same technique as Bob to get the
> CREATE command for a table and I believe that the sql syntax is updated by an
> ALTER command, not a second entry created.

ok

>  I use the SQLite admin plugin for
> Firefox do other types of table structure changes and it does indeed unload
> the table, delete it, then load it again and it seem to recreate any
> indexes/triggers associated with the table.

Yes, our guys do the same in Vstudio plugin.

Target is that user can do ANY changes in Table:
    add/drop fields
    change field types
    set on of indexes
    add/drop/change triggers
    add drop constraints as FKs

And for user this should looks as easy as single operation,

In background Valentina Studio do this copies of records (if they exists)
into second table..

Peter, can you take a look on Vstudio?
And may be give us comparision to Firefox?

FYI: in the nearest days we will add support of Valentina Link idea in
regard to FKs for Lite ...  Then this also will be added to diagrams for
Lite, like Access do



> The CREATE syntax in th mastr
> table is recreated automatically since the table is re-created.
> 
> Pete Haworth
> 
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
> 
>> On 1/6/11 9:22 PM, "Bob Sneidar" <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Are you saying that an Alter Table command will create a second record with
>>> the alter table syntax in it? I didn't know that.
>> 
>> Actually as I know, Sqlite have no normal ALTER Table

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]





From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Thu Jan  6 17:37:26 2011
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 00:37:26 +0200
Subject: [OT] Table Creation Syntax + Visual SQL Query Builder // A GREAT
	Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <5305FEF2-BB8E-42A4-8872-C350E05517B6@twft.com>
Message-ID: <C94C10C6.E32C3%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

On 1/6/11 11:20 PM, "Bob Sneidar" <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> Good to know Peter. I have been working on a Table Merge function for some
> time, and one of the features is to be able to isolate the SQL for creation of
> a table, allow the user to pick which columns to merge between the tables, ant
> then if necessary, create the table in the destination database with the
> columns that the user selected. So a method for producing the exact syntax for
> table and column was essential to this.
> 
> It's still buggy, but functional. I keep going back through and reworking
> things, mainly interface issues. But the code to actually create new tables
> and insert columns into existing ones identical to the source columns is all
> intact. It's been a fun project and has taught me a lot about SQL,
> specifically the subtle differences in syntax, which SQL was supposedly going
> to eliminate when it was first conceived.

Btw, in Vstudio for Lite already should work dump of db and separate table
into SQL txt file.

Then as far as I understand, you can load this dump file of T1 into T2
So this will be merge ...


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]





From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Thu Jan  6 18:12:40 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:12:40 -0800
Subject: [OT] Table Creation Syntax + Visual SQL Query Builder // A GREAT
	Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <C94C1051.E32C1%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
References: <C94C1051.E32C1%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <1A3E5463-D24C-4610-8F80-55188B0333B2@mollysrevenge.com>

Just downloading it now.  May be a few days before I can play with it though.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 6, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> Peter, can you take a look on Vstudio?
> And may be give us comparision to Firefox?




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan  6 18:39:22 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:39:22 -0600
Subject: HTTPS without DLL external
Message-ID: <4D2652AA.9040903@hyperactivesw.com>

Maybe someone can save me some testing time. If I try to send to an 
https URL and the revsecurity.dll is not in the right location next to 
the exe on Windows, will I get an error? Will it try to send anyway? Can 
I just check the result? What happens?

It's not easy to debug in the IDE because the DLL is in a different 
place and already loaded. I'm hoping someone already knows so I can 
continue to be lazy and I won't have to build a standalone with 
debugging code in it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jan  6 18:44:15 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:44:15 -0800
Subject: iOS revMail Attachment?
Message-ID: <C94B93CF.4FDA2%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Another iOS question -- any way to send an image attachment using revMail?

Or an alternate option, send HTML mail or HTML text with an image reference?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Thu Jan  6 18:48:23 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:48:23 -0800
Subject: [OT] Table Creation Syntax + Visual SQL Query Builder // A GREAT
	Mac Cocoa MYSQL tool - Donationware
In-Reply-To: <1A3E5463-D24C-4610-8F80-55188B0333B2@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <C94C1051.E32C1%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>
	<1A3E5463-D24C-4610-8F80-55188B0333B2@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <3E170F6F-E1E1-4428-B43B-78220027BFFE@mollysrevenge.com>

Rusian,
I downloaded VStudio and ran it to be sure it ran OK.  Told me I could use it for 10 minutes without a license code.  I went to your web site and tried to log in to my account.  Told me the username/password was invalid.  Clicked the Forgot Password link.  Got an email with a token and url to change the password.  Went to the url, entered the token, entered a new password, all seemed OK.  Went to the My Account page and tried to log in.  Got invalid username/password message again.  Stuck in a loop.

Pete Haworth




From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Jan  6 19:39:12 2011
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 00:39:12 +0000
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <9A141EFE-4043-4C51-97E5-E886F28E94E0@gmail.com>
References: <4D19B3FE.4040907@pdslabs.net>	<74B6710D-8FB7-44B0-A23F-C9BFF1076B7B@twft.com>
	<9A141EFE-4043-4C51-97E5-E886F28E94E0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D2660B0.4030605@tweedly.net>


There's not a nice simple command (afaik), but you can do something 
along the lines of (in a mix of LC and shell :-)

echo $PATH > tPaths
set the itemdel to ":"
repeat for each item tFolder in tPaths
    set the defaultfolder to tFolder
    put the files after tAll
end repeat
doSomeCleverFiltering  tAll            -- that's a library function you 
are assumed to have already written :-)
doSomethingToAddBuiltins  tAll     -- ditto


-- Alex.


On 06/01/2011 22:02, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
> On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>> Thanks pretty useful if you know already what the command is you need 
>> help with. Looks like you are getting the man pages via a shell call 
>> yourself.
>>
>> What would make this marketable is if there was a way to list all the 
>> shell commands available to the system and present them to the user 
>> in a list, have the user be able to click on a shell command and have 
>> the man page load, and then be able to insert the command into a rev 
>> script with the proper LiveCode syntax. I would pay money for that!
>>
>> Bob
>
> That was just my reaction to the stack -- great if you know what 
> you're doing already, but you have to know shell commands. (I dropped 
> it into my Plugins folder anyway....)
>
> Is there a shell command to get all the shell commands on the 
> currently running system? If so, it should be a snap to expand the 
> stack accordingly.
>
>> On Dec 28, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I just uploaded a new version of the Shell() Command Help plugin.
>>>
>>> New features:
>>> - Search for words in the displayed help text.
>>> - Print the displayed help text.
>>> - Use arrow keys to retrieve previous commands (like the LC message 
>>> box).
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>> -- 
>>> Phil Davis
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 20:15:47 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:15:47 -0700
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <4D2660B0.4030605@tweedly.net>
References: <4D19B3FE.4040907@pdslabs.net>
	<74B6710D-8FB7-44B0-A23F-C9BFF1076B7B@twft.com>
	<9A141EFE-4043-4C51-97E5-E886F28E94E0@gmail.com>
	<4D2660B0.4030605@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUNVEY77iD26wskzKY0eWB-u9xERepKBsEfjPq@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a manpath?

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

>
> There's not a nice simple command (afaik), but you can do something along
> the lines of (in a mix of LC and shell :-)
>
> echo $PATH > tPaths
> set the itemdel to ":"
> repeat for each item tFolder in tPaths
>   set the defaultfolder to tFolder
>   put the files after tAll
> end repeat
> doSomeCleverFiltering  tAll            -- that's a library function you are
> assumed to have already written :-)
> doSomethingToAddBuiltins  tAll     -- ditto
>
>
> -- Alex.
>
>
>
> On 06/01/2011 22:02, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
>
>> On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>
>>  Thanks pretty useful if you know already what the command is you need
>>> help with. Looks like you are getting the man pages via a shell call
>>> yourself.
>>>
>>> What would make this marketable is if there was a way to list all the
>>> shell commands available to the system and present them to the user in a
>>> list, have the user be able to click on a shell command and have the man
>>> page load, and then be able to insert the command into a rev script with the
>>> proper LiveCode syntax. I would pay money for that!
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>
>> That was just my reaction to the stack -- great if you know what you're
>> doing already, but you have to know shell commands. (I dropped it into my
>> Plugins folder anyway....)
>>
>> Is there a shell command to get all the shell commands on the currently
>> running system? If so, it should be a snap to expand the stack accordingly.
>>
>>  On Dec 28, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> I just uploaded a new version of the Shell() Command Help plugin.
>>>>
>>>> New features:
>>>> - Search for words in the displayed help text.
>>>> - Print the displayed help text.
>>>> - Use arrow keys to retrieve previous commands (like the LC message
>>>> box).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy!
>>>> --
>>>> Phil Davis
>>>>
>>>
>> -- Peter
>>
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>>
>>
>>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan  6 21:30:05 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:30:05 -0800
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
Message-ID: <4D267AAD.9070906@fourthworld.com>

Mike Bonner wrote:

> Is there a manpath?

Yes, Robert Bly wrote about it in "Iron John".

;)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Jan  6 21:55:45 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:55:45 -0800
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <4D2660B0.4030605@tweedly.net>
References: <4D19B3FE.4040907@pdslabs.net>	<74B6710D-8FB7-44B0-A23F-C9BFF1076B7B@twft.com>	<9A141EFE-4043-4C51-97E5-E886F28E94E0@gmail.com>
	<4D2660B0.4030605@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <4D2680B1.4010303@pdslabs.net>

This is great - I'll look into adding a list column to the left of the text body 
field.
Phil


On 1/6/11 4:39 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
> There's not a nice simple command (afaik), but you can do something along the 
> lines of (in a mix of LC and shell :-)
>
> echo $PATH > tPaths
> set the itemdel to ":"
> repeat for each item tFolder in tPaths
>    set the defaultfolder to tFolder
>    put the files after tAll
> end repeat
> doSomeCleverFiltering  tAll            -- that's a library function you are 
> assumed to have already written :-)
> doSomethingToAddBuiltins  tAll     -- ditto
>
>
> -- Alex.
>
>
> On 06/01/2011 22:02, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
>> On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks pretty useful if you know already what the command is you need help 
>>> with. Looks like you are getting the man pages via a shell call yourself.
>>>
>>> What would make this marketable is if there was a way to list all the shell 
>>> commands available to the system and present them to the user in a list, 
>>> have the user be able to click on a shell command and have the man page 
>>> load, and then be able to insert the command into a rev script with the 
>>> proper LiveCode syntax. I would pay money for that!
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>> That was just my reaction to the stack -- great if you know what you're doing 
>> already, but you have to know shell commands. (I dropped it into my Plugins 
>> folder anyway....)
>>
>> Is there a shell command to get all the shell commands on the currently 
>> running system? If so, it should be a snap to expand the stack accordingly.
>>
>>> On Dec 28, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> I just uploaded a new version of the Shell() Command Help plugin.
>>>>
>>>> New features:
>>>> - Search for words in the displayed help text.
>>>> - Print the displayed help text.
>>>> - Use arrow keys to retrieve previous commands (like the LC message box).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy!
>>>> -- 
>>>> Phil Davis
>>
>> -- Peter
>>
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>>
>>
>>
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
>> preferences:
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>
>
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Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net




From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Thu Jan  6 22:09:47 2011
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 19:09:47 -0800
Subject: Windows error 32 - SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <4D0CD005.1010802@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D0CD005.1010802@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0E85F9DB-D5D8-4073-9A86-085DE2405CA5@elementarysoftware.com>

Hello Richard,

Thanks for posting your solution.  I ran into the same issue a while back.  I'm looking forward to being able to improve my code now.

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
------------------------------------------------------





On Dec 18, 2010, at 7:15 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> If any of you ever need to do anything like this, the solution turned out to be quite simple:
> 
> I noticed that I could use the same "delete folder" command from within LC to delete the folder in question, just not from the app that originates in the problem folder.
> 
> Since the OS error is 32 (obtained from LC's sysError function, a godsend for anything related to file I/O), it occurred to me that the issue is that the deletion process is beginning with an app that resides in that folder, and therefore is using that folder as the current working directory.  Apparently, even though it quits before the copy in temp takes over, because the original copy in that application folder is what launched the app in temp, the current working directory had not changed, and the OS was simply doing its job of preserving objects in use.
> 
> So the fix is a one-liner, added just before the original app launches the copy in the temp folder:
> 
>  set the directory to tTempFolder
> 
> tTempFolder is obtained with LC's specialFolderPath("temporary"), and used to create the file name of the copy of the app that does the actual uninstall.
> 
> By changing the working directory before launching the copy, the original folder in Program Files is now free to be deleted.  Works a treat.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
> 
> Yesterday I wrote:
> 
>> I'm making an uninstaller for one of my apps on Windows, and
>> everything's working swell except for one detail:
>> 
>> I can delete all files and folders related to the install with ease, but
>> when I try to delete the application folder sysError returns 32, which
>> means it's in use by another process.
>> 
>> Here's the setup:
>> 
>> The uninstaller works as we're required to do on Windows: when launched
>> it makes a copy of itself into the temp folder, and launches that copy
>> after which the original quits.  We have to do that because of course an
>> app can't delete itself.  The copy has the UI that the user clicks to
>> start the uninstall.
>> 
>> That copy in temp works great, and clears out everything, even the
>> original uninstaller that launched it.
>> 
>> The one thing it can't do is delete the folder the app was originally
>> in, which is in the Program Files directory, e.g.:
>> 
>>   C:\Program Files\MyApp\
>> 
>> It seems weird to me that I can so easily delete all the contents of
>> that folder, even all the nested subfolders that were in it, yet not the
>> folder itself.
>> 
>> And yes, I've checked: the folder is indeed empty.
>> 
>> Even weirder, I can open LC afterward and run this in the Message Box:
>> 
>>    delete folder "C:/Program Files/MyApp/"
>> 
>> ...and it deletes as expected without complaint.
>> 
>> My first hunch was that since the original uninstaller app is launching
>> the one doing the deleting, maybe I could add another layer of
>> misdirection by having a copy of that app make another app in temp just
>> to delete the damn folder.  No go, same error 32.
>> 
>> Any of you come across something like this before?  How did you get
>> around it?
> 
> 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 22:38:12 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 20:38:12 -0700
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <4D267AAD.9070906@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D267AAD.9070906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVHpxcPP+=AuoqpEm9_6HodF+uQDPQJLzcJUHJ@mail.gmail.com>

LOL


On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> Mike Bonner wrote:
>
>  Is there a manpath?
>>
>
> Yes, Robert Bly wrote about it in "Iron John".
>
> ;)
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Jan  7 00:58:27 2011
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 22:58:27 -0700
Subject: HTTPS without DLL external
In-Reply-To: <4D2652AA.9040903@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4D2652AA.9040903@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D9BB37BB-6326-4FA6-AFBE-F07827D66F3D@byu.edu>


On Jan 6, 2011, at 4:39 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Maybe someone can save me some testing time. If I try to send to an 
> https URL and the revsecurity.dll is not in the right location next to 
> the exe on Windows, will I get an error? Will it try to send anyway? Can 
> I just check the result? What happens?
> 
> It's not easy to debug in the IDE because the DLL is in a different 
> place and already loaded. I'm hoping someone already knows so I can 
> continue to be lazy and I won't have to build a standalone with 
> debugging code in it.

Jacque,

This happened to me just yesterday in a Rev standalone on Win XP. I was opening a stack that used https from a launcher-type standalone that lacked the dll. I tried to post data to an https URL, and I got nothing--empty-- back. No error message or even an html error. I don't know if my experience is generalizable, but that's what happened to me. 

Draw whatever conclusions you will. Anything to save some testing time.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri Jan  7 02:39:39 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 23:39:39 -0800
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <4D2680B1.4010303@pdslabs.net>
References: <4D19B3FE.4040907@pdslabs.net>	<74B6710D-8FB7-44B0-A23F-C9BFF1076B7B@twft.com>	<9A141EFE-4043-4C51-97E5-E886F28E94E0@gmail.com>	<4D2660B0.4030605@tweedly.net>
	<4D2680B1.4010303@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <4D26C33B.9040106@pdslabs.net>

I just uploaded a new version of Shell Command Help to RevOnline.

New features added just now (thanks to suggestions on this list):

    * You can pick your command from the scrolling list of commands!
    * You can adjust the width of the list as needed.
    * If retrieving info about a listed command causes LC to quit, you can
      reopen this plugin in LC and right-click on the command to permanently
      remove it from the list. (To restore all commands to the list, delete the
      prefs file. It lives at specialFolderPath() /pdslabs/prefs.)

I was not able to test it on Linux, but it works as expected on Mac & Windows.

Best -
Phil



On 1/6/11 6:55 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
> This is great - I'll look into adding a list column to the left of the text 
> body field.
> Phil
>
>
> On 1/6/11 4:39 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>>
>> There's not a nice simple command (afaik), but you can do something along the 
>> lines of (in a mix of LC and shell :-)
>>
>> echo $PATH > tPaths
>> set the itemdel to ":"
>> repeat for each item tFolder in tPaths
>>    set the defaultfolder to tFolder
>>    put the files after tAll
>> end repeat
>> doSomeCleverFiltering  tAll            -- that's a library function you are 
>> assumed to have already written :-)
>> doSomethingToAddBuiltins  tAll     -- ditto
>>
>>
>> -- Alex.
>>
>>
>> On 06/01/2011 22:02, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
>>> On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks pretty useful if you know already what the command is you need help 
>>>> with. Looks like you are getting the man pages via a shell call yourself.
>>>>
>>>> What would make this marketable is if there was a way to list all the shell 
>>>> commands available to the system and present them to the user in a list, 
>>>> have the user be able to click on a shell command and have the man page 
>>>> load, and then be able to insert the command into a rev script with the 
>>>> proper LiveCode syntax. I would pay money for that!
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>
>>> That was just my reaction to the stack -- great if you know what you're 
>>> doing already, but you have to know shell commands. (I dropped it into my 
>>> Plugins folder anyway....)
>>>
>>> Is there a shell command to get all the shell commands on the currently 
>>> running system? If so, it should be a snap to expand the stack accordingly.
>>>
>>>> On Dec 28, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just uploaded a new version of the Shell() Command Help plugin.
>>>>>
>>>>> New features:
>>>>> - Search for words in the displayed help text.
>>>>> - Print the displayed help text.
>>>>> - Use arrow keys to retrieve previous commands (like the LC message box).
>>>>>
>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Phil Davis
>>>
>>> -- Peter
>>>
>>> Peter M. Brigham
>>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
>>> preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>
>>
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>> preferences:
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>

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Jan  7 03:13:01 2011
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 02:13:01 -0600
Subject: iOS revMail Attachment?
In-Reply-To: <C94B93CF.4FDA2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94B93CF.4FDA2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimm4OWCJ3aF=YKaaOSW=V9bdE6dVXaFx19-k9=w@mail.gmail.com>

Last I asked, there was not one. Please add, otherwise there's little
chance ov ever getting an image out of your app.

On Thursday, January 6, 2011, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> Another iOS question -- any way to send an image attachment using revMail?
>
> Or an alternate option, send HTML mail or HTML text with an image reference?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
>
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From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Fri Jan  7 03:59:28 2011
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 09:59:28 +0100
Subject: Getting a public IP address when connected to a router
In-Reply-To: <73C18AEF-9F24-4A3C-8170-3141A314AE95@twft.com>
Message-ID: <1jupy4s.fv6nxe1dqebgwM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> But you still have to teach him how to make everything the way you like it.

:-)

I just went that way...

When whois* reports that the connection originates from my ADSL node, I
consider that it's me (and it is in a log, so I can verify it) :-)


* I downloaded "man whois" (and "man ls") from the server, thanks to
"irev" commands, as the syntax is not exactly the same as on my desktop
machine



From iangmcknight at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 05:46:33 2011
From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:46:33 +0000
Subject: Problems Opening an EXCEL text file
Message-ID: <AANLkTimhU+=cOB_9zKAfsJ4B0KjRTkbtb-GMsfd_18_V@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I have a table of data held in a table in EXCEL and I want to import it into
a field in a LC stack.
I saved the file from EXECL as a tab delimited text file
and used the following handler

*

on* mouseUp

*answer* file "choose" with *type* "text|txt|TXT"

*if* it is empty or it is *cancel* *then* *exit* mouseup

*put* "file:"&it into fName

*put* URL fName into fld "display"
*

end* mouseUp
The stange thing is that this doesnt appear to work - I get a blank field.
However if I open and save the text file in NotePad or WordPad and then run
the handler I get the data displayed in the field correctly.

So how do I get the text file to be recognised without putting it through
Notepad? What does EXCEL do to the file that NotePad doesn't? I'm using LC
4.5.1 and have also tested this on Rev Enterprise 4.0 both on Windows (Win 7
and XP)

-- 
Regards


Ian McKnight

iangmcknight at gmail.com
=======================


From iangmcknight at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 07:10:10 2011
From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:10:10 +0000
Subject: Problems Opening an EXCEL text file
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimhU+=cOB_9zKAfsJ4B0KjRTkbtb-GMsfd_18_V@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimhU+=cOB_9zKAfsJ4B0KjRTkbtb-GMsfd_18_V@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=P311AR6c9san96tN4wJm_nawoQ23fwhbHw587@mail.gmail.com>

A click on the target field made the list appear as it should! While my
table only contains 90 lines of 3 items I'm at a loss to explain this.
However, it is working as it should.

Thanks

On 7 January 2011 10:46, Ian McKnight <iangmcknight at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have a table of data held in a table in EXCEL and I want to import it
> into a field in a LC stack.
> I saved the file from EXECL as a tab delimited text file
> and used the following handler
>
> *
>
> on
> *mouseUp
>
> *answer* file "choose" with *type* "text|txt|TXT"
>
> *if* it is empty or it is *cancel* *then* *exit* mouseup
>
> *put* "file:"&it into fName
>
> *put* URL fName into fld "display"
> *
>
> end
> *mouseUp
> The stange thing is that this doesnt appear to work - I get a blank field.
> However if I open and save the text file in NotePad or WordPad and then run
> the handler I get the data displayed in the field correctly.
>
> So how do I get the text file to be recognised without putting it through
> Notepad? What does EXCEL do to the file that NotePad doesn't? I'm using LC
> 4.5.1 and have also tested this on Rev Enterprise 4.0 both on Windows (Win 7
> and XP)
>
> --
> Regards
>
>
> Ian McKnight
>
> iangmcknight at gmail.com
> =======================
>



-- 
Regards


Ian McKnight

iangmcknight at gmail.com
=======================


From niconiko at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 08:59:15 2011
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 22:59:15 +0900
Subject: iOS: displaying LiveCode App thru VGA-out adapter
Message-ID: <AANLkTin6SQicoPzhaic2QdPc+0mN8CBbNTatqDkLOF9O@mail.gmail.com>

Having just learnt that not all Apps are displayable on a
monitor/projector connected to an iPhone/iPad thru Apple's VGA-out
adapter, how would I configure my LiveCode-built App so that it is
displayable?

These are in-house Apps that I install directly rather than thru an
AppStore download/purchase.

Jailbreaking is apparently a workaround, but I'd rather not go that
route just yet.

Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto



From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan  7 09:06:06 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:06:06 -0200
Subject: iOS: displaying LiveCode App thru VGA-out adapter
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin6SQicoPzhaic2QdPc+0mN8CBbNTatqDkLOF9O@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin6SQicoPzhaic2QdPc+0mN8CBbNTatqDkLOF9O@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinJGM5JNFSbt4tV7btZ6WRyCXgFDro7aQFcvJn+@mail.gmail.com>

Nicolas,

I don't know if this is possible right now but check the screenrects and see
if there is a second monitor available. That is how we do on the desktop but
I believe on an iDevice is probably different.

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:

> Having just learnt that not all Apps are displayable on a
> monitor/projector connected to an iPhone/iPad thru Apple's VGA-out
> adapter, how would I configure my LiveCode-built App so that it is
> displayable?
>
> These are in-house Apps that I install directly rather than thru an
> AppStore download/purchase.
>
> Jailbreaking is apparently a workaround, but I'd rather not go that
> route just yet.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
>
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 09:42:46 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 09:42:46 -0500
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimpNr0HJG5i2SCyxBxGj40vRQxyzk_CC0rAQvii@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D19B3FE.4040907@pdslabs.net>
	<74B6710D-8FB7-44B0-A23F-C9BFF1076B7B@twft.com>
	<9A141EFE-4043-4C51-97E5-E886F28E94E0@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimpNr0HJG5i2SCyxBxGj40vRQxyzk_CC0rAQvii@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E34928AD-92AF-462D-B737-A2801B1F1863@gmail.com>

On Jan 6, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

> Closest thing I know of would be apropos. Not a complete list, but a  
> more
> 'targeted' list. Could implement a search box that returns an  
> apropos list
> (on mac and linux) and use that for a clickable.
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>
>> Thanks pretty useful if you know already what the command is you  
>> need help
>>> with. Looks like you are getting the man pages via a shell call  
>>> yourself.
>>>
>>> What would make this marketable is if there was a way to list all  
>>> the
>>> shell commands available to the system and present them to the  
>>> user in a
>>> list, have the user be able to click on a shell command and have  
>>> the man
>>> page load, and then be able to insert the command into a rev  
>>> script with the
>>> proper LiveCode syntax. I would pay money for that!
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>
>> That was just my reaction to the stack -- great if you know what  
>> you're
>> doing already, but you have to know shell commands. (I dropped it  
>> into my
>> Plugins folder anyway....)
>>
>> Is there a shell command to get all the shell commands on the  
>> currently
>> running system? If so, it should be a snap to expand the stack  
>> accordingly.
>>
>> On Dec 28, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> I just uploaded a new version of the Shell() Command Help plugin

I'm playing with this to see if I can come up with something. One  
problem: when I use
    put shell("man cp") into fld "f"
I get output like this:

CP(1)                     BSD General Commands  
Manual                    CP(1)

NNAAMMEE
      ccpp -- copy files

SSYYNNOOPPSSIISS
      ccpp [--RR [--HH | --LL | --PP]] [--ffii | --nn] [--ppvvXX]  
_s_o_u_r_c_e___f_i_l_e _t_a_r_g_e_t___f_i_l_e
      ccpp [--RR [--HH | --LL | --PP]] [--ffii | --nn] [--ppvvXX]  
_s_o_u_r_c_e___f_i_l_e _._._. _t_a_r_g_e_t___d_i_r_e_c_t_o_r_y

DDEESSCCRRIIPPTTIIOONN
      In the first synopsis form, the ccpp utility copies the contents  
of the
      _s_o_u_r_c_e___f_i_l_e to the _t_a_r_g_e_t___f_i_l_e.  In the  
second synopsis form, the con-
      tents of each named _s_o_u_r_c_e___f_i_l_e is copied to the  
destination
      _t_a_r_g_e_t___d_i_r_e_c_t_o_r_y.  The names of the files  
themselves are not changed.  If
      ccpp detects an attempt to copy a file to itself, the copy will  
fail.

      The following options are available:

      --ff    For each existing destination pathname, remove it and  
create a new
            file, without prompting for confirmation regardless of its  
permis-
            sions.  (The --ff option overrides any previous --nn  
option.)

            The target file is not unlinked before the copy.  Thus,  
any exist-
            ing access rights will be retained.
<snip>

As you can see, the section titles and commands consist of doubled  
letters. How can I get a good clear text out of this? Does it have  
something to do with the text encoding? Pardon my ignorance, I'm a  
newbie to messing around with system calls.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan  7 10:03:23 2011
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:03:23 -0500
Subject: iOS: displaying LiveCode App thru VGA-out adapter
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin6SQicoPzhaic2QdPc+0mN8CBbNTatqDkLOF9O@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin6SQicoPzhaic2QdPc+0mN8CBbNTatqDkLOF9O@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikPBw9fM2zVsVD=z936Ax=rWsFNntGNEaZfSZZk@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:

> Having just learnt that not all Apps are displayable on a
> monitor/projector connected to an iPhone/iPad thru Apple's VGA-out
> adapter, how would I configure my LiveCode-built App so that it is
> displayable?
>

A few months ago I was told by a 3rd party app developer that Apple has not
opened up the API for using video out. I asked because I wanted to show
something from his app on a projector. My guess is that currently you cannot
due this with LiveCode.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers:
http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 10:08:51 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:08:51 -0500
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <4D26C33B.9040106@pdslabs.net>
References: <4D19B3FE.4040907@pdslabs.net>	<74B6710D-8FB7-44B0-A23F-C9BFF1076B7B@twft.com>	<9A141EFE-4043-4C51-97E5-E886F28E94E0@gmail.com>	<4D2660B0.4030605@tweedly.net>
	<4D2680B1.4010303@pdslabs.net> <4D26C33B.9040106@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <2B71616A-CD1D-4401-B26E-94F3B089BD20@gmail.com>

On Jan 7, 2011, at 2:39 AM, Phil Davis wrote:

> I just uploaded a new version of Shell Command Help to RevOnline.
>
> New features added just now (thanks to suggestions on this list):
>
>   * You can pick your command from the scrolling list of commands!
>   * You can adjust the width of the list as needed.
>   * If retrieving info about a listed command causes LC to quit, you  
> can
>     reopen this plugin in LC and right-click on the command to  
> permanently
>     remove it from the list. (To restore all commands to the list,  
> delete the
>     prefs file. It lives at specialFolderPath() /pdslabs/prefs.)
>
> I was not able to test it on Linux, but it works as expected on Mac  
> & Windows.
>
> Best -
> Phil

Great! Now my ignorance has some structure to it!

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan  7 10:14:52 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 07:14:52 -0800
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
Message-ID: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>

While only 50,000 of the several million accounts have been hacked, it 
may be good to err on the safe side and review the recent transactions 
for your account and update the password; I just did both here.


Hacked iTunes accounts sold online
<http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2011-01/609351.html>

More:
<http://www.google.com/search?q=Hacked+Apple+iTunes+accounts+sell+in+China>


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan  7 10:23:19 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:23:19 +0000
Subject: Audioclips: can't get at the data?
Message-ID: <AANLkTimU4qV0hnuuNiO+FdJA2ziNUG3k7nPYT_pyz17A@mail.gmail.com>

I've not used audioclips before, but having imported one, is there anyway to
get at the data so it can be exported? For videoclips I use the following:

put the text of videoclip 1 into someData

but the corresponding  line for audioclips fails (as does "put audioclip
1"), and as the data is not returned in the properties I think there is no
way to extract the data - good for encryption I guess :)

Any tricks anyone?


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Jan  7 10:29:40 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:29:40 +0100
Subject: Audioclips: can't get at the data?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimU4qV0hnuuNiO+FdJA2ziNUG3k7nPYT_pyz17A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimU4qV0hnuuNiO+FdJA2ziNUG3k7nPYT_pyz17A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00CC0054-1B67-4779-AA71-DCF63C97FE71@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi David,

I always forget which one is broken, but you can get the text of either videoclips or audioclips.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce

On 7 jan 2011, at 16:23, David Bovill wrote:

> I've not used audioclips before, but having imported one, is there anyway to
> get at the data so it can be exported? For videoclips I use the following:
> 
> put the text of videoclip 1 into someData
> 
> but the corresponding  line for audioclips fails (as does "put audioclip
> 1"), and as the data is not returned in the properties I think there is no
> way to extract the data - good for encryption I guess :)
> 
> Any tricks anyone?




From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Jan  7 10:34:20 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:34:20 +0100
Subject: Audioclips: can't get at the data?
In-Reply-To: <00CC0054-1B67-4779-AA71-DCF63C97FE71@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <AANLkTimU4qV0hnuuNiO+FdJA2ziNUG3k7nPYT_pyz17A@mail.gmail.com>
	<00CC0054-1B67-4779-AA71-DCF63C97FE71@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <05EC0F51-1F45-411C-B180-651E6033FE37@major.on-rev.com>

Hi David and Mark,

> Hi David,
> 
> I always forget which one is broken, but you can get the text of either videoclips or audioclips.

well, apparently the export of audioclips is the broken one :-)

> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce
> On 7 jan 2011, at 16:23, David Bovill wrote:
> 
>> I've not used audioclips before, but having imported one, is there anyway to
>> get at the data so it can be exported? For videoclips I use the following:
>> 
>> put the text of videoclip 1 into someData

!!!

>> but the corresponding  line for audioclips fails (as does "put audioclip
>> 1"), and as the data is not returned in the properties I think there is no
>> way to extract the data - good for encryption I guess :)
>> 
>> Any tricks anyone?

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From psahores at free.fr  Fri Jan  7 10:46:30 2011
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:46:30 +0100
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0452BAD0-2B73-4EBE-AFF7-D484786E5282@free.fr>

Good reminder, Richard ! Done.

I noticed that we are not automatically disconnected when we quit the (Mac) App Store (probably some kind of cookie around) as long as we don't explicitly pick-up the Store -> Disconnect menu item before quitting.

Best regards,

Pierre


Le 7 janv. 2011 ? 16:14, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> While only 50,000 of the several million accounts have been hacked, it may be good to err on the safe side and review the recent transactions for your account and update the password; I just did both here.
> 
> 
> Hacked iTunes accounts sold online
> <http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2011-01/609351.html>
> 
> More:
> <http://www.google.com/search?q=Hacked+Apple+iTunes+accounts+sell+in+China>
> 
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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> 

--
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www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com







From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan  7 11:13:42 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:13:42 +0000
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
In-Reply-To: <4CE1B14F.6020400@hindu.org>
References: <4CDC1310.508@fourthworld.com>
	<1351751042984.20101111175647@ahsoftware.net>
	<4CDCB444.9040807@hindu.org>
	<1081891800687.20101113090245@ahsoftware.net>
	<4CE1B14F.6020400@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi==39-bHgv=owcckpRwt3CeWjr_HJj67Hupe2dZ@mail.gmail.com>

The most important things to do with regard to licenses is to avoid
incompatibility and proliferation of licenses as this prevents people
remixing code from various projects. I'd strongly encourage you to use a GPL
compatible license<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licenses>,
and preferably one already in use by existing liveCode projects.

The most common license used in the LiveCode community is the MIT/X11
license - unless you have real strong reasons to use something else why not
use that? Ralf Bitter, felt strongly he wanted some additional points, and
crafted his own license. After discussing compatibility issues with him he's
changed to using the Apache version 2 license which is GPL compatible - so
other people can mix their code with it.

So why not use the MIT/X11? With regard to content - license it separately
using an appropriate Creative Commons license. I do this, and make sure I
can mix my content with WikiPedia content

On 15 November 2010 22:16, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

>  On 11/13/10 7:02 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> Note that the zlib license is very direct. It seems to cover
>> everything except the part above about putting modifications back into
>> the open source domain, so I may end up frankensteining this a bit to
>> handle that.
>>
>> http://opensource.org/licenses/zlib-license.php
>>
>
>
> Mark, thanks for this.. I think the zLib-License is perfect for what I
> want.
>
> Sivakatirswami
>
>
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan  7 11:25:54 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 08:25:54 -0800
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
Message-ID: <4D273E92.9030203@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:
> The most important things to do with regard to licenses is to avoid
> incompatibility and proliferation of licenses as this prevents people
> remixing code from various projects. I'd strongly encourage you to use a GPL
> compatible license<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licenses>,
> and preferably one already in use by existing liveCode projects.
>
> The most common license used in the LiveCode community is the MIT/X11
> license - unless you have real strong reasons to use something else why not
> use that? Ralf Bitter, felt strongly he wanted some additional points, and
> crafted his own license. After discussing compatibility issues with him he's
> changed to using the Apache version 2 license which is GPL compatible - so
> other people can mix their code with it.
>
> So why not use the MIT/X11? With regard to content - license it separately
> using an appropriate Creative Commons license.

One of the reasons so many developers like the Creative Commons license 
is that there are many flavors to cover a broader range of specific 
usage rights than GPL, and certainly X11, affords.

The goals of sharing code can cover a broad spectrum, from those of the 
purist like rms or those of companies who earn their living with 
proprietary code like Apple, with a nearly infinite variety of needs in 
between.

So while I can appreciate the desire to have the smallest possible 
number of FOSS licenses in use, I can understand when a developer may 
find them inadequate for their particular needs.

For my own needs, I'm disappointed that CC isn't recommended for code. 
I'd release more FOSS code if it were sanctioned for such use (I may 
even still, since others have ignored the caveat and use CC for code 
anyway).

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan  7 11:29:10 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:29:10 -0800
Subject: Problems Opening an EXCEL text file
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=P311AR6c9san96tN4wJm_nawoQ23fwhbHw587@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimhU+=cOB_9zKAfsJ4B0KjRTkbtb-GMsfd_18_V@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=P311AR6c9san96tN4wJm_nawoQ23fwhbHw587@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCE27389-0AD4-493A-A253-3680D4964A88@twft.com>

Sounds like a refresh issue. 

Bob


On Jan 7, 2011, at 4:10 AM, Ian McKnight wrote:

> A click on the target field made the list appear as it should! While my
> table only contains 90 lines of 3 items I'm at a loss to explain this.
> However, it is working as it should.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> On 7 January 2011 10:46, Ian McKnight <iangmcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I have a table of data held in a table in EXCEL and I want to import it
>> into a field in a LC stack.
>> I saved the file from EXECL as a tab delimited text file
>> and used the following handler
>> 
>> *
>> 
>> on
>> *mouseUp
>> 
>> *answer* file "choose" with *type* "text|txt|TXT"
>> 
>> *if* it is empty or it is *cancel* *then* *exit* mouseup
>> 
>> *put* "file:"&it into fName
>> 
>> *put* URL fName into fld "display"
>> *
>> 
>> end
>> *mouseUp
>> The stange thing is that this doesnt appear to work - I get a blank field.
>> However if I open and save the text file in NotePad or WordPad and then run
>> the handler I get the data displayed in the field correctly.
>> 
>> So how do I get the text file to be recognised without putting it through
>> Notepad? What does EXCEL do to the file that NotePad doesn't? I'm using LC
>> 4.5.1 and have also tested this on Rev Enterprise 4.0 both on Windows (Win 7
>> and XP)
>> 
>> --
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Ian McKnight
>> 
>> iangmcknight at gmail.com
>> =======================
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Ian McKnight
> 
> iangmcknight at gmail.com
> =======================
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan  7 11:32:15 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:32:15 -0800
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <4D267AAD.9070906@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D267AAD.9070906@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BE04D210-87D6-4AD6-A286-1E65B0310381@twft.com>

I'm simply going to ignore this post and hope it goes away. ;-)

Bob


On Jan 6, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Mike Bonner wrote:
> 
>> Is there a manpath?
> 
> Yes, Robert Bly wrote about it in "Iron John".
> 
> ;)
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan  7 11:35:44 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:35:44 -0800
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <4D26C33B.9040106@pdslabs.net>
References: <4D19B3FE.4040907@pdslabs.net>	<74B6710D-8FB7-44B0-A23F-C9BFF1076B7B@twft.com>	<9A141EFE-4043-4C51-97E5-E886F28E94E0@gmail.com>	<4D2660B0.4030605@tweedly.net>
	<4D2680B1.4010303@pdslabs.net> <4D26C33B.9040106@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <0266027E-5D16-4DF1-97E6-011327DC9535@twft.com>

Awesome Phil! Now do the same thing for Applescript! LOL! AHH HAHA HAHAHA HAHAH AAHHH! Seriously though, do you have some kind of Paypal account I can donate to your cause? No sense doing all this for nothing... 

Bob


On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> I just uploaded a new version of Shell Command Help to RevOnline.
> 
> New features added just now (thanks to suggestions on this list):
> 
>   * You can pick your command from the scrolling list of commands!
>   * You can adjust the width of the list as needed.
>   * If retrieving info about a listed command causes LC to quit, you can
>     reopen this plugin in LC and right-click on the command to permanently
>     remove it from the list. (To restore all commands to the list, delete the
>     prefs file. It lives at specialFolderPath() /pdslabs/prefs.)
> 
> I was not able to test it on Linux, but it works as expected on Mac & Windows.
> 
> Best -
> Phil




From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan  7 11:42:44 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:42:44 -0800
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <4D26C33B.9040106@pdslabs.net>
References: <4D19B3FE.4040907@pdslabs.net>	<74B6710D-8FB7-44B0-A23F-C9BFF1076B7B@twft.com>	<9A141EFE-4043-4C51-97E5-E886F28E94E0@gmail.com>	<4D2660B0.4030605@tweedly.net>
	<4D2680B1.4010303@pdslabs.net> <4D26C33B.9040106@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <2E3BEC94-33B8-4A71-8190-67D8B3E020DC@twft.com>

Hmmm... not seeing the scrolling list...

Bob


On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> I just uploaded a new version of Shell Command Help to RevOnline.
> 
> New features added just now (thanks to suggestions on this list):
> 
>   * You can pick your command from the scrolling list of commands!
>   * You can adjust the width of the list as needed.
>   * If retrieving info about a listed command causes LC to quit, you can
>     reopen this plugin in LC and right-click on the command to permanently
>     remove it from the list. (To restore all commands to the list, delete the
>     prefs file. It lives at specialFolderPath() /pdslabs/prefs.)
> 
> I was not able to test it on Linux, but it works as expected on Mac & Windows.
> 
> Best -
> Phil




From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan  7 11:50:48 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:50:48 -0800
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that these people got a trojan on a Windows machine which logged their keyboard while the users were accessing their iTunes accounts. Otherwise I think it would have been a whole helluvalot more. 

Everything Apple does with security is AES based. I have not heard of anyone trying to "crack" an AES hash. I went to a security conference once, where they announced that to crack an MD5 hash (think Windows XP/2000 Logins) a fairly complex password could be brute forced in anywhere from 5 minutes to two hours. The same password in AES-256 would take 1.2 million years. 

Bob


On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:14 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> While only 50,000 of the several million accounts have been hacked, it may be good to err on the safe side and review the recent transactions for your account and update the password; I just did both here.
> 
> 
> Hacked iTunes accounts sold online
> <http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2011-01/609351.html>
> 
> More:
> <http://www.google.com/search?q=Hacked+Apple+iTunes+accounts+sell+in+China>
> 
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan  7 11:51:23 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:51:23 -0800
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <0452BAD0-2B73-4EBE-AFF7-D484786E5282@free.fr>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<0452BAD0-2B73-4EBE-AFF7-D484786E5282@free.fr>
Message-ID: <B43B3EC1-75FF-428D-85B6-5489A9E829A0@twft.com>

Your login credentials are not in your cookie.

Bob


On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:46 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:

> Good reminder, Richard ! Done.
> 
> I noticed that we are not automatically disconnected when we quit the (Mac) App Store (probably some kind of cookie around) as long as we don't explicitly pick-up the Store -> Disconnect menu item before quitting.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Pierre
> 
> 
> Le 7 janv. 2011 ? 16:14, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :
> 
>> While only 50,000 of the several million accounts have been hacked, it may be good to err on the safe side and review the recent transactions for your account and update the password; I just did both here.
>> 
>> 
>> Hacked iTunes accounts sold online
>> <http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2011-01/609351.html>
>> 
>> More:
>> <http://www.google.com/search?q=Hacked+Apple+iTunes+accounts+sell+in+China>
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World
>> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>> 
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From coiin at verizon.net  Fri Jan  7 11:57:23 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:57:23 -0500
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
Message-ID: <98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>


On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> The same password in AES-256 would take 1.2 million years. 


From Wikipedia:

A device that could check a billion billion (1018) AES keys per second would in theory require about 3?1051 years to exhaust the 256-bit key space.

From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan  7 12:07:46 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 09:07:46 -0800
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <D3EA3B58-6A13-4869-8070-E771311125BD@twft.com>

I think that means it would take it that long to produce the unencypted passwords for every conceivable hash to produce a lookup table, and even so, there is no database in existence that could store it. 

Bob


On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> 
> On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> The same password in AES-256 would take 1.2 million years. 
> 
> 
> From Wikipedia:
> 
> A device that could check a billion billion (1018) AES keys per second would in theory require about 3?1051 years to exhaust the 256-bit key space.
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From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Fri Jan  7 12:13:06 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:13:06 +0000
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

Maybe but is there actual proof of hacking - or could this be the far more likely human trait of stupidity? 
Perhaps these 50,000 accounts just belong to the numpties whose password = 'password', '12345' or similar? 
 
On 7 Jan 2011, at 16:57, Colin Holgate wrote:

> 
> On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> The same password in AES-256 would take 1.2 million years. 
> 
> 
> From Wikipedia:
> 
> A device that could check a billion billion (1018) AES keys per second would in theory require about 3?1051 years to exhaust the 256-bit key space.
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan  7 12:28:30 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 09:28:30 -0800
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
	<70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>

I think hacking is a term that is used loosely to mean any kind of security compromise. It's used mostly by the media who are communicating with a market that in the lowest common denominator would not be able to define the difference between a hack and a crack, or a virus and a trojan. That is why I believe this is the result of some kind of key logging trojan. If someone found a way to successfully hack an iTunes store account, the number would not be 55,000 it would be more like 5,000,000. 

Bob


On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:

> Maybe but is there actual proof of hacking - or could this be the far more likely human trait of stupidity? 
> Perhaps these 50,000 accounts just belong to the numpties whose password = 'password', '12345' or similar? 
> 
> On 7 Jan 2011, at 16:57, Colin Holgate wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> 
>>> The same password in AES-256 would take 1.2 million years. 
>> 
>> 
>> From Wikipedia:
>> 
>> A device that could check a billion billion (1018) AES keys per second would in theory require about 3?1051 years to exhaust the 256-bit key space.
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From John at allijn.com  Fri Jan  7 12:50:47 2011
From: John at allijn.com (John Allijn)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 18:50:47 +0100
Subject: Connecting to a MySQL database at a hosting provider
Message-ID: <9654B6A8-965E-479F-B175-BAB74BD9239D@allijn.com>

Hi,

I' writing an iPad app. I want the app to get some shared data from a MySQL database. I've seen scripts for that and locally they all work great. 
However, I've got three websites, each with a different hosting provider, and they all have installed MySQL in such a way that you can only access the database from  within a webpage running at the hosting provider. For example with a PHP script.

I guess I'n not the first one who wants to pull data from a DB on the web :) 

Is there a way around that? like a special PHP script, or another kind of generally used interface that works as a server-side to my client-app?

The database itself is quite easy. just first/last name, email, a line of free format text and a date. I want to test if the user exists (is in the database), has paid his subscription (the date is an expiration date), and a system message specifically for that user (the free text field)

any suggestions????

best regards,
John.


From psahores at free.fr  Fri Jan  7 12:51:55 2011
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 18:51:55 +0100
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <B43B3EC1-75FF-428D-85B6-5489A9E829A0@twft.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<0452BAD0-2B73-4EBE-AFF7-D484786E5282@free.fr>
	<B43B3EC1-75FF-428D-85B6-5489A9E829A0@twft.com>
Message-ID: <1E6E3A61-9B98-4C0B-922F-96D2C2B778E7@free.fr>

Good point but "Insuffisant", as we would say - doors closed - in sarkoland ... ;-)

Le 7 janv. 2011 ? 17:51, Bob Sneidar a ?crit :

> Your login credentials are not in your cookie.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:46 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
> 
>> Good reminder, Richard ! Done.
>> 
>> I noticed that we are not automatically disconnected when we quit the (Mac) App Store (probably some kind of cookie around) as long as we don't explicitly pick-up the Store -> Disconnect menu item before quitting.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Pierre
>> 
>> 
>> Le 7 janv. 2011 ? 16:14, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :
>> 
>>> While only 50,000 of the several million accounts have been hacked, it may be good to err on the safe side and review the recent transactions for your account and update the password; I just did both here.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hacked iTunes accounts sold online
>>> <http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2011-01/609351.html>
>>> 
>>> More:
>>> <http://www.google.com/search?q=Hacked+Apple+iTunes+accounts+sell+in+China>
>>> 
>>> 
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From bvg at mac.com  Fri Jan  7 12:58:30 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 18:58:30 +0100
Subject: Connecting to a MySQL database at a hosting provider
In-Reply-To: <9654B6A8-965E-479F-B175-BAB74BD9239D@allijn.com>
References: <9654B6A8-965E-479F-B175-BAB74BD9239D@allijn.com>
Message-ID: <7A402A77-8760-488F-BB2D-98BF86AF0694@mac.com>

normally you'd create a php (or other scripted server side language) interface that queries the sql backend, or makes updates to it. But instead of outputting formatted html, you simply output machine parse-able content, like a tab delimited list, or xml. Then you can access the data, just as you would if you'd go directly into the mysql, but via an url that queries your scripted output:

put url "http://yourServer.fake/showUser.php?user=blah&password=plainTextIsNotSecure"

On 7 Jan 2011, at 18:50, John Allijn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I' writing an iPad app. I want the app to get some shared data from a MySQL database. I've seen scripts for that and locally they all work great. 
> However, I've got three websites, each with a different hosting provider, and they all have installed MySQL in such a way that you can only access the database from  within a webpage running at the hosting provider. For example with a PHP script.
> 
> I guess I'n not the first one who wants to pull data from a DB on the web :) 
> 
> Is there a way around that? like a special PHP script, or another kind of generally used interface that works as a server-side to my client-app?
> 
> The database itself is quite easy. just first/last name, email, a line of free format text and a date. I want to test if the user exists (is in the database), has paid his subscription (the date is an expiration date), and a system message specifically for that user (the free text field)
> 
> any suggestions????
> 
> best regards,
> John.
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From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Fri Jan  7 13:00:33 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 18:00:33 +0000
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
	<70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>
Message-ID: <CB0DC1AD-857D-4006-A5F2-7AED8AE2F3EC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

...I still wonder whether this is evidence of Apple security being compromised (big problem for all) versus a simple numbers game exploiting user stupidity/laziness (more fool them). 

A web-crawler captures publicly listed email addresses, these then get tested as iTunes logins, coupled with the top-10 worst passwords. The surprising stat would be if there are merely 50,000 iTunes users that are that sufficiently stupid and/or lazy? 

There are probably more than 50,000 youtube videos showing monitors in the background that are covered in post-its with passwords and banking details! :-) 

On 7 Jan 2011, at 17:28, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I think hacking is a term that is used loosely to mean any kind of security compromise. It's used mostly by the media who are communicating with a market that in the lowest common denominator would not be able to define the difference between a hack and a crack, or a virus and a trojan. That is why I believe this is the result of some kind of key logging trojan. If someone found a way to successfully hack an iTunes store account, the number would not be 55,000 it would be more like 5,000,000. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:
> 
>> Maybe but is there actual proof of hacking - or could this be the far more likely human trait of stupidity? 
>> Perhaps these 50,000 accounts just belong to the numpties whose password = 'password', '12345' or similar? 
>> 
>> On 7 Jan 2011, at 16:57, Colin Holgate wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The same password in AES-256 would take 1.2 million years. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From Wikipedia:
>>> 
>>> A device that could check a billion billion (1018) AES keys per second would in theory require about 3?1051 years to exhaust the 256-bit key space.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan  7 13:04:34 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:04:34 -0600
Subject: HTTPS without DLL external
In-Reply-To: <D9BB37BB-6326-4FA6-AFBE-F07827D66F3D@byu.edu>
References: <4D2652AA.9040903@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D9BB37BB-6326-4FA6-AFBE-F07827D66F3D@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4D2755B2.7050508@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/6/11 11:58 PM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
> This happened to me just yesterday in a Rev standalone on Win XP. I was opening a stack that used https from a launcher-type standalone that lacked the dll. I tried to post data to an https URL, and I got nothing--empty-- back. No error message or even an html error. I don't know if my experience is generalizable, but that's what happened to me.
>
> Draw whatever conclusions you will. Anything to save some testing time.

Thanks for your efforts in supporting the lazy. I guess I need to build 
a test stack though. Mainly I need to know if the post gets sent anyway 
but unencrypted, or if it just doesn't send anything at all. Not sending 
at all would be my preference.

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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan  7 13:12:11 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:12:11 -0800
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <CB0DC1AD-857D-4006-A5F2-7AED8AE2F3EC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
	<70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>
	<CB0DC1AD-857D-4006-A5F2-7AED8AE2F3EC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3E7D9029-602F-456E-9B89-9B5D0466C1C3@twft.com>

I'm willing to bet that you will disable your account for a period of time if you type in the wrong username/password 10 times. Every reputable web site that requires security does this now to foil brute force bots. I cannot believe Apple would overlook that issue. 

Bob


On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:

> ...I still wonder whether this is evidence of Apple security being compromised (big problem for all) versus a simple numbers game exploiting user stupidity/laziness (more fool them). 
> 
> A web-crawler captures publicly listed email addresses, these then get tested as iTunes logins, coupled with the top-10 worst passwords. The surprising stat would be if there are merely 50,000 iTunes users that are that sufficiently stupid and/or lazy? 
> 
> There are probably more than 50,000 youtube videos showing monitors in the background that are covered in post-its with passwords and banking details! :-) 
> 




From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan  7 13:15:23 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 18:15:23 +0000
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
In-Reply-To: <4D273E92.9030203@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D273E92.9030203@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=JbYvO-SMZ_FDBeQKettmZiSDN2AybY2rarxXs@mail.gmail.com>

On 7 January 2011 16:25, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

>
> One of the reasons so many developers like the Creative Commons license is
> that there are many flavors to cover a broader range of specific usage
> rights than GPL, and certainly X11, affords.
>
> The goals of sharing code can cover a broad spectrum, from those of the
> purist like rms or those of companies who earn their living with proprietary
> code like Apple, with a nearly infinite variety of needs in between.
>
> So while I can appreciate the desire to have the smallest possible number
> of FOSS licenses in use, I can understand when a developer may find them
> inadequate for their particular needs.
>
> For my own needs, I'm disappointed that CC isn't recommended for code. I'd
> release more FOSS code if it were sanctioned for such use (I may even still,
> since others have ignored the caveat and use CC for code anyway).
>

I share your concerns, and thoughts on this. I've looked long and hard at
licensing, and tired as you suggest to use CC licenses for code, but I could
not get it to work, and aside from a few causl individual uses I don't know
of any projects that do this. I do think it is strange that there still is
not a software license with a CC-type "non-commercial" clause in it, even
after many years of popular use for creative content - seems strange.

The main issue for us here is about mixing code projects together in ways in
which the code can be used in clear ways for commercial and non-commercial
projects - removing the uncertainty. Let's just make sure the code bases can
be mixed together. If someone uses a "strange" - CC style license, which is
not GPL compatible, then I won't be able to combine it with code that uses
other licenses in any legally robust way. As a practical example I would not
be able to submit my code libraries or code I have form other people to the
revIgnitor project, as the license was hand crafted. Ralf changing the
license to a GPL compatible license made everything start to work nicely.
The same will go with other projects that seek to make compilations of open
code. A mosaic of poorly thought out licenses will cause real problems.


From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan  7 13:18:06 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:18:06 -0800
Subject: Front Scripts
Message-ID: <15B0A5C1-A7E5-43E5-9C83-F4F9EB18D9AF@mollysrevenge.com>

I just realized that the stacks that I insert as front scripts are included in the Contents of a standalone application on a Mac.  I may decide to package some of those scripts and try to sell them in the future but this makes them available to anyone who takes the time to look at the contents of the standalone.

I'm sure I'm not the first person to run into this situation so hopefully someone can suggest how to secure those scripts.

Thanks,

Pete Haworth











From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan  7 13:26:32 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:26:32 -0800
Subject: Front Scripts
Message-ID: <4D275AD8.4040309@fourthworld.com>

Peter Haworth wrote:
 > I just realized that the stacks that I insert as front scripts are
 > included in the Contents of a standalone application on a Mac.
 > I may decide to package some of those scripts and try to sell them
 > in the future but this makes them available to anyone who takes the
 > time to look at the contents of the standalone.

     set the password of stack "MyStack" to "MyPassword"

To access the scripts in the IDE use:

     set the passkey of stack "MyStack" to "MyPassword"


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From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Fri Jan  7 13:28:21 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 18:28:21 +0000
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <3E7D9029-602F-456E-9B89-9B5D0466C1C3@twft.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
	<70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>
	<CB0DC1AD-857D-4006-A5F2-7AED8AE2F3EC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<3E7D9029-602F-456E-9B89-9B5D0466C1C3@twft.com>
Message-ID: <D70AC311-4CA4-4FA6-8545-90D8371DA9EB@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

Sure, but 10 attempts might well be enough to skim 50,000 accounts if you'd harvested, say, a million email addresses? I'm just suggesting that the percentage shot here may be harvesting through the mass stupidity of human-kind, rather than complex technology. I think it was Einstein who said that artificial intelligence was no match for natural stupidity! Just scan the top-10 of this list if you need proof http://www.whatsmypass.com/the-top-500-worst-passwords-of-all-time    

On 7 Jan 2011, at 18:12, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I'm willing to bet that you will disable your account for a period of time if you type in the wrong username/password 10 times. Every reputable web site that requires security does this now to foil brute force bots. I cannot believe Apple would overlook that issue. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:
> 
>> ...I still wonder whether this is evidence of Apple security being compromised (big problem for all) versus a simple numbers game exploiting user stupidity/laziness (more fool them). 
>> 
>> A web-crawler captures publicly listed email addresses, these then get tested as iTunes logins, coupled with the top-10 worst passwords. The surprising stat would be if there are merely 50,000 iTunes users that are that sufficiently stupid and/or lazy? 
>> 
>> There are probably more than 50,000 youtube videos showing monitors in the background that are covered in post-its with passwords and banking details! :-) 
>> 
> 
> 
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan  7 13:44:47 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:44:47 -0800
Subject: Front Scripts
In-Reply-To: <4D275AD8.4040309@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D275AD8.4040309@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <DF62DD06-AD38-47BF-A605-6825EA0D3BAC@mollysrevenge.com>

Thanks Richard, I knew it would be something simple!

Pete Haworth

On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Peter Haworth wrote:
> > I just realized that the stacks that I insert as front scripts are
> > included in the Contents of a standalone application on a Mac.
> > I may decide to package some of those scripts and try to sell them
> > in the future but this makes them available to anyone who takes the
> > time to look at the contents of the standalone.
> 
>    set the password of stack "MyStack" to "MyPassword"
> 
> To access the scripts in the IDE use:
> 
>    set the passkey of stack "MyStack" to "MyPassword"
> 
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 14:19:26 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 21:19:26 +0200
Subject: [OT] Why is Brazil like Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinPsh0=Pmo+dczkrF9QZCnof1Ff-ybunGiycwhV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294164002.14138.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>	<4D243C8B.4050408@pair.com>
	<AANLkTinPsh0=Pmo+dczkrF9QZCnof1Ff-ybunGiycwhV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D27673E.7020608@gmail.com>

Just got back from 5 days holiday in the Rhodopes; usual stuff; snow, 
log-fires, long country walks,
no Livecode, high-class red wine out of earthen-ware jugs, biography of 
Leonardo da Vinci . . .

err . . . *ISBN:* 9780141035338***Pages :* 640 *Published :* 06 Sep 2007 
*Publisher :* Penguin

read it even if it is the last book you ever read!!!!

Interesting to see how my brief 'squib' about that nasty half-Bulgarian 
terrorist expanded.

Wonderful potted history, Andre . . . however be aware that not all of 
"us" like the "United
Kingdom" and await its collapse with anticipation.

Over here, in Bulgaria, it is a case of "new guys in power, who turn out 
to be nephews, catamites or
otherwise of old ones" so, while not being exactly totalitarian, stinks 
fairly strongly.

Scotland, on the other hand . . . well, let's not go there . . . except 
for the odd RunRev conference.

Interestingly enough, more, many more, Scots live outwith Scotland than 
inwith the kinrick; which says
something . . .   :)

On 01/05/2011 03:07 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Curry Kenworthy<curry at pair.com>  wrote:
>
>>> Unlimited power in the hands of few is the main common
>>> characteristic between Bulgaria and Brasil.
>>
> Oh there is no unlimited power in here. People outside imagine Brazil being
> some banana republic where carismatic leader can do any ruthless thing and
> get away with it but this is not the case, they can get away with robbing
> any amount of money, passing any kind of idiotic law, doing every kind of
> moronic display of ignorance, complete lack of common sense and really bad
> sense of fashion and so on but it is not unlimited.
>
> Brief Story of Brazil:
>
> Brazil was "discovered" in the 16th century, it was made into a colony and
> that was how it stood for couple centuries until napoleon went land
> acquiring over europe. Portuguese royalty fled (or went on vacation) to
> Brazil which was a colony made of mud, coffee, slaves and nasty diseases.
> When royalty arrived in 1808 they decided to make this a proper country,
> specially Rio.
>
> Like mushrooms after rain, a country was made with proper buildings and
> culture (at least on Rio). It doesn't really matter that all the slaving
> went on and that the rest of this really big place was still farms and pain,
> Rio was beautiful. Now Brazil was an United Kingdom - the United Kingdom of
> Portugal, Brazil and Algarve. Scottish and Englishman among us knows how
> this works. Heck from colony to united kingdom, looks good.
>
> Royalty decided to go back to europe where moskito bites do not kill you and
> where the natives could speak something you could understand (common people
> often spoke tupi, guarani or some other indian tongue) but but but but...
> TA-DA!!!! The portuguese royal guy decided NOT TO GO BACK! famous words: "if
> it is for the general happiness of the nation, tell everyone that I stay!".
> So Brazil was no longer an United Kingdom but was on its own with a new
> royal guy. The new country was named The Empire Of Brazil (as far as empires
> goes, this was a pretty big place) plus we had an emperor! Time went on,
> monarchies were overthrown in lots of places and then it was not fashionable
> to have emperors anymore. The last ball of the Empire went on 500m of where
> I am right now on a very cute castle, they even had electrical lamps during
> the ball.
>
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2017/1582977140_5757617cf7.jpg
> (this is the castle, worth a look. It is called "Castelo da Ilha Fiscal",
> the ferry boat I take everyday pass by it)
>
> The next day republic was proclaimed - "Independence or Death!!!!" - by the
> same guys who were in charge since forever. Now we had presidents.
>
> Our republic played a game of rinse and repeat, alternating presidents from
> S?o Paulo and Minas Gerais for a while and then some other bastards came
> along till we're almost at the second world war when a military coup made
> Brazil into a dictatorship (New State they called). Brazil under
> dictatorship was ironic, we had a fascist goverment full of people who
> admired fascist ideas (including my grandpa) but fought the axis on the side
> of the non-fascist guys.
>
> After Getulio commit suicide, military really took over the dictatorship and
> leftist armed guerrilla started. Students like Dilma Roussef and many others
> robbed banks, kidnapped ambassadors and did all kinds of nasty stuff to make
> a Cuba out of Brazil. Our mudererer goverment did worse with tortures,
> deaths and everything you don't want to hear, this went on until after I was
> born (hey, I was born during a military dictatorship!).
>
> Civil disobedience and protests got too big with strikes all over the place
> and students on the streets with their faces painted in green and yellow
> demanding free elections and guess what, it worked! After decades of
> military dictatorship, they stepped down! No war, no coup... a organized
> civil election and newly elected leaders, it doesnt help that the newly
> elected president died right on the spot (I think he was overwhelmed with
> joy of democracy). So after that we had some really bad democratic elected
> presidents. Inflation was really bad to the point that on the market you had
> to race the market staff trying to pick the goodies before they re-tag them
> with new prices (this is actually true). Till FHC came along and he and
> other really clever people created a magic plan to con the whole country and
> stabilize the economy. Brazilians are tricksters and that presidency tricked
> all the country into believing there was no such thing as a bad economy and
> it worked out and money stabilized. Yay for impossible plans! After him the
> labor party was elected and I cried of joy. Eight years later, I've learned
> that the labor party is the same as the other 40 or so parties we have and
> President Lula managed to get President Dilma elected much to my disgust, I
> vote for the green party. During the last election my choices for President,
> Senator, Governor lost but at least my choices for Federal Congressman and
> State Congressman were elected. Silly people, always voting for thieves.
>
> So in summary:
>
> Same guys in power: really big muddy place ->  United Kingdom ->  Empire ->
> Republic
> New guys in power, as bad as the previous ones: Last 8 years
>
>
>



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jan  7 14:39:35 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:39:35 -0800
Subject: Audioclips: can't get at the data?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimU4qV0hnuuNiO+FdJA2ziNUG3k7nPYT_pyz17A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C94CABF7.4FE0E%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, David Bovill wrote:

> I've not used audioclips before, but having imported one, is there anyway to
> get at the data so it can be exported? For videoclips I use the following:
> 
> put the text of videoclip 1 into someData
> 
> but the corresponding  line for audioclips fails (as does "put audioclip
> 1"), and as the data is not returned in the properties I think there is no
> way to extract the data - good for encryption I guess :)

Currently, there is no way to export audioClips from a stack.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From bvg at mac.com  Fri Jan  7 15:42:37 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 21:42:37 +0100
Subject: Live LiveCode Code event #5
Message-ID: <4CCC0AEB-1FB8-47DA-BB5D-6EA8F86B2F5D@mac.com>

Dearest Developers

For the first time this year, the live madness returns. This time I (Bjoernke) will start the show, and I'll be showing off a plugin I have made for the IDE. It allows me to edit the text of label fields by double clicking them (pointer mode only).
http://livecode.tv/bvg/

After I'm finished, David will show a way to create text representations of stacks, or in his own words:  "Hacking LiveCode - using open text based stack formats, to find out what has changed and who changed it!"
http://livecode.tv/david/

Note that the day of the week poll is closed. With an overwhelming majority liking the show to be on Saturdays! Therefore, please go to the new poll and vote for your favourite times for the show to start at:
http://doodle.com/azvfdcvs7ew2imrx

Join us this Saturday:
Zurich: 20:00
Buenos Aires: 16:00
New York:  14:00 
San Francisco: 11:00
Sydney: 06:00

Make sure to use ChatRev during the happening, otherwise you might miss when you'll need to change to the other stream:
http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
or:
go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"

If you want to get regular notification of this event, please subscribe to the rss feed of the blog (about 2 updates per week):
feed://livecode.tv/feed/

Have fun
Bjoernke



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan  7 16:26:01 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:26:01 +0000
Subject: Audioclips: can't get at the data?
In-Reply-To: <C94CABF7.4FE0E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <AANLkTimU4qV0hnuuNiO+FdJA2ziNUG3k7nPYT_pyz17A@mail.gmail.com>
	<C94CABF7.4FE0E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikbKzpu9kO9mCaykNJO-+ueVU9LE-Vk8VveXxFY@mail.gmail.com>

Just found one :)

copy audioclip 1
> put clipboarddata ["objects"] into url ("binfile:" & someFile)
>

On 7 January 2011 19:39, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Recently, David Bovill wrote:
>
> > I've not used audioclips before, but having imported one, is there anyway
> to
> > get at the data so it can be exported? For videoclips I use the
> following:
> >
> > put the text of videoclip 1 into someData
> >
> > but the corresponding  line for audioclips fails (as does "put audioclip
> > 1"), and as the data is not returned in the properties I think there is
> no
> > way to extract the data - good for encryption I guess :)
>
> Currently, there is no way to export audioClips from a stack.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
>
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Jan  7 16:35:35 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 22:35:35 +0100
Subject: Audioclips: can't get at the data?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikbKzpu9kO9mCaykNJO-+ueVU9LE-Vk8VveXxFY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimU4qV0hnuuNiO+FdJA2ziNUG3k7nPYT_pyz17A@mail.gmail.com>
	<C94CABF7.4FE0E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<AANLkTikbKzpu9kO9mCaykNJO-+ueVU9LE-Vk8VveXxFY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C79C759-264A-4406-B176-6AADE131E6E3@major.on-rev.com>

Hi David,

> Just found one :)
> 
> copy audioclip 1
>> 
> put clipboarddata ["objects"] into url ("binfile:" & someFile)

does not work for me!
A small 1 secs aif audiclip results in a 5:30 empty audio file.


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jan  7 16:44:34 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 13:44:34 -0800
Subject: Audioclips: can't get at the data?
In-Reply-To: <7C79C759-264A-4406-B176-6AADE131E6E3@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <C94CC942.4FE24%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Doesn't work for me either.  I export a WAV file with suffix ".wav", get a
file of the correct size, but it's not openable in QT or audio editor.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> Hi David,
> 
>> Just found one :)
>> 
>> copy audioclip 1
>>> 
>> put clipboarddata ["objects"] into url ("binfile:" & someFile)
> 
> does not work for me!
> A small 1 secs aif audiclip results in a 5:30 empty audio file.
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com





From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan  7 17:07:04 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 22:07:04 +0000
Subject: Audioclips: can't get at the data?
In-Reply-To: <C94CC942.4FE24%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <7C79C759-264A-4406-B176-6AADE131E6E3@major.on-rev.com>
	<C94CC942.4FE24%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim_6U2d97S448n5KbduZc9tATJTM_J+AoEHHP3U@mail.gmail.com>

No - I don't think it will work as an export format - as it is an internal
object representation format for LiveCode.

It is not ideal, but it works for my use - which is simply to export the
stack to a text representation in GIT for later import. I guess there will
be no way to convert it to a playable audio file external to LiveCode?

On 7 January 2011 21:44, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Doesn't work for me either.  I export a WAV file with suffix ".wav", get a
> file of the correct size, but it's not openable in QT or audio editor.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
>
> Recently, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>
> > Hi David,
> >
> >> Just found one :)
> >>
> >> copy audioclip 1
> >>>
> >> put clipboarddata ["objects"] into url ("binfile:" & someFile)
> >
> > does not work for me!
> > A small 1 secs aif audiclip results in a 5:30 empty audio file.
> >
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Klaus
> >
> > --
> > Klaus Major
> > http://www.major-k.de
> > klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
>
>
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan  7 17:15:52 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 22:15:52 +0000
Subject: Audioclips: can't get at the data?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim_6U2d97S448n5KbduZc9tATJTM_J+AoEHHP3U@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7C79C759-264A-4406-B176-6AADE131E6E3@major.on-rev.com>
	<C94CC942.4FE24%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<AANLkTim_6U2d97S448n5KbduZc9tATJTM_J+AoEHHP3U@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik5eBQCJsEW14hvz5kQGuO6KG-Yj4d+T4rgNvue@mail.gmail.com>

NB - filed this as a bug report - vote for this:

   - http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=9280


On 7 January 2011 22:07, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:

> No - I don't think it will work as an export format - as it is an internal
> object representation format for LiveCode.
>
> It is not ideal, but it works for my use - which is simply to export the
> stack to a text representation in GIT for later import. I guess there will
> be no way to convert it to a playable audio file external to LiveCode?
>
>
> On 7 January 2011 21:44, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
>
>> Doesn't work for me either.  I export a WAV file with suffix ".wav", get a
>> file of the correct size, but it's not openable in QT or audio editor.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>>
>>
>>
>> Recently, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>>
>> > Hi David,
>> >
>> >> Just found one :)
>> >>
>> >> copy audioclip 1
>> >>>
>> >> put clipboarddata ["objects"] into url ("binfile:" & someFile)
>> >
>> > does not work for me!
>> > A small 1 secs aif audiclip results in a 5:30 empty audio file.
>> >
>> >
>> > Best
>> >
>> > Klaus
>> >
>> > --
>> > Klaus Major
>> > http://www.major-k.de
>> > klaus at major.on-rev.com
>>
>>
>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan  7 17:19:33 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 16:19:33 -0600
Subject: HTTPS without DLL external
In-Reply-To: <D9BB37BB-6326-4FA6-AFBE-F07827D66F3D@byu.edu>
References: <4D2652AA.9040903@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D9BB37BB-6326-4FA6-AFBE-F07827D66F3D@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4D279175.5040808@hyperactivesw.com>

I wrote:

> Maybe someone can save me some testing time. If I try to send to an
> https URL and the revsecurity.dll is not in the right location next to
> the exe on Windows, will I get an error? Will it try to send anyway? Can
> I just check the result? What happens?

For the curious, I ran some tests on Windows 7 with LiveCode 4.5.3 rc 3. 
If I remove the security.dll and try to post to an HTTPS URL, the result 
contains an error, "Socket closed." No data is sent. That's what I was 
hoping for, since it ensures that no unencrypted data is passed.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri Jan  7 17:22:40 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 14:22:40 -0800
Subject: Control Keys still not working
Message-ID: <8930ED15-5298-47AA-889A-F239A5396C06@cox.net>

I finally tested my app on a real PC and the control keys still do not work. The alt key mnemonics worked and the arrow keys worked, but not the Control Keys. I've tried various other solutions, including building ONLY the Windows version, rather than MacOSX AND Windows at the same time. Also a few other subtle combinations and arrangements. None worked. I'm assuming that I'm the only person suffering from this problem, since no one else has chimed in over the past few days.

If someone has a somewhat small app they've built to a standalone in which the Control Keys DO work, I would appreciate them sending it to me directly in some manner or another. I can receive fairly large emails. Please put the word "architect" in the subject line to assure it passing my spam blocking.

Thanks a lot.
 
Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>









From ma at snowcamp.org  Fri Jan  7 17:29:37 2011
From: ma at snowcamp.org (Mike Arnold)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:29:37 -0500
Subject: Windows standalone - revBrowser DLL
Message-ID: <405C7D4A-87F3-4AB8-92A0-27656DAAD088@snowcamp.org>

Developing on a Mac, I have a small application that opens a substack with a revBrowser instance rendering in-memory html. The standalone on the mac runs as expected. When I execute the windows standalone Windows2000 under Parallels, the primary stack seems to display fine, but the revBrowser window is blank. I suspect its not finding the Externals/revbrowser.dll.

Is this because I am using Windows 2000 (admittedly not the smartest thing) or do I need to do something else for windows?

thanks for your help,
Mike.

LiveCode 4.5.3
Mac OS/X 10.6.5


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan  7 17:36:27 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 14:36:27 -0800
Subject: Control Keys still not working
Message-ID: <4D27956B.6010402@fourthworld.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

 > I finally tested my app on a real PC and the control keys still do
 > not work. The alt key mnemonics worked and the arrow keys worked,
 > but not the Control Keys.

You're using a commandKeyDown handler as Jacque suggested, yes?

Post your code and we can fix it.  Control keys on Win work, and work 
well (in Linux too).

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan  7 17:43:35 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 14:43:35 -0800
Subject: Major Problems with Find/Replace
Message-ID: <3601B1EC-A873-4376-AC62-17949BFF7F47@mollysrevenge.com>

I just got done using the FInd and Replace  dialog (from the Edit menu) to make some wholesale changes to custom property names and any references to them in scripts.  It looks like the script changes worked OK but there are some major problems with the custom property name changes in the controls.  Some of them were changed successfully, some didn't get changed at all, and some controls ended up with a large number of custom properties that weren't there before the changes.

Fortunately, I have a backup I can go to so other than wasting a couple of hours work, no damage done.  Can anyone suggest another way of reliably changing the name of custom properties wherever they occur? Has anyone come across any similar problems with Find/Replace?

Pete Haworth











From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan  7 17:59:58 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 16:59:58 -0600
Subject: Control Keys still not working
In-Reply-To: <8930ED15-5298-47AA-889A-F239A5396C06@cox.net>
References: <8930ED15-5298-47AA-889A-F239A5396C06@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4D279AEE.6020708@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/7/11 4:22 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> I finally tested my app on a real PC and the control keys still do
> not work. The alt key mnemonics worked and the arrow keys worked, but
> not the Control Keys.

You only need two handlers, a commandKey handler and an optionKey 
handler. On Macs, these will respond as you expect. On Windows, the 
commandKey handler will respond when the user types the Control key, and 
the optionKey handler will respond when the user types the Alt key.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan  7 18:25:31 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:25:31 -0800
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <D70AC311-4CA4-4FA6-8545-90D8371DA9EB@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
	<70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>
	<CB0DC1AD-857D-4006-A5F2-7AED8AE2F3EC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<3E7D9029-602F-456E-9B89-9B5D0466C1C3@twft.com>
	<D70AC311-4CA4-4FA6-8545-90D8371DA9EB@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1AEC1FE9-C97F-4539-AD1F-A9BA90A525C4@twft.com>

I agree that a lot of people use crappy passwords. It is my somewhat controversial opinion however, given that this is the 21st century, that those people really deserve to lose everything they protect with such passwords. It reminds me of Spaceballs, where the combination to the airlock on Druidia and the emperor's luggage were both the same. "12345"

Bob


On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:

> Sure, but 10 attempts might well be enough to skim 50,000 accounts if you'd harvested, say, a million email addresses? I'm just suggesting that the percentage shot here may be harvesting through the mass stupidity of human-kind, rather than complex technology. I think it was Einstein who said that artificial intelligence was no match for natural stupidity! Just scan the top-10 of this list if you need proof http://www.whatsmypass.com/the-top-500-worst-passwords-of-all-time    
> 
> On 7 Jan 2011, at 18:12, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> I'm willing to bet that you will disable your account for a period of time if you type in the wrong username/password 10 times. Every reputable web site that requires security does this now to foil brute force bots. I cannot believe Apple would overlook that issue. 
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:
>> 
>>> ...I still wonder whether this is evidence of Apple security being compromised (big problem for all) versus a simple numbers game exploiting user stupidity/laziness (more fool them). 
>>> 
>>> A web-crawler captures publicly listed email addresses, these then get tested as iTunes logins, coupled with the top-10 worst passwords. The surprising stat would be if there are merely 50,000 iTunes users that are that sufficiently stupid and/or lazy? 
>>> 
>>> There are probably more than 50,000 youtube videos showing monitors in the background that are covered in post-its with passwords and banking details! :-) 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri Jan  7 18:30:14 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:30:14 -0800
Subject: Control Keys still not working - FIXED
In-Reply-To: <4D279AEE.6020708@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8930ED15-5298-47AA-889A-F239A5396C06@cox.net>
	<4D279AEE.6020708@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B74BB902-F07A-42F2-85A4-28807A298F61@cox.net>

Jacqui, Richard,

Thanks for your replies. One additional change along with building the Windows version by itself works perfectly, except for the Control Q, which I'm sure I'll figure out - eventually. There were several problems; mostly based on my original assumption that I needed to do it all and some key mapping with VM Fusion, though that doesn't appear to have been the major problem. One other was setting both the Cmd and Ctrl check boxes on the Menu Builder, one of which I never even saw - it is so small and hard to read - and didn't know it was even there, or that you can set both of them or should.

In watching someone else play with it on a real PC, I noticed a few other things he wanted to do, some of which worked and some that didn't. I use the arrow keys for card navigation; whereas he wanted to use them for menu navigation. Not sure exactly how to fix that so that it works both ways. He liked my larger than usual menus. It's been an interesting experience.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>







On Jan 7, 2011, at 2:59 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/7/11 4:22 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> I finally tested my app on a real PC and the control keys still do
>> not work. The alt key mnemonics worked and the arrow keys worked, but
>> not the Control Keys.
> 
> You only need two handlers, a commandKey handler and an optionKey handler. On Macs, these will respond as you expect. On Windows, the commandKey handler will respond when the user types the Control key, and the optionKey handler will respond when the user types the Alt key.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Jan  7 18:31:26 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:31:26 -0800
Subject: Audioclips: can't get at the data?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik5eBQCJsEW14hvz5kQGuO6KG-Yj4d+T4rgNvue@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7C79C759-264A-4406-B176-6AADE131E6E3@major.on-rev.com>
	<C94CC942.4FE24%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<AANLkTim_6U2d97S448n5KbduZc9tATJTM_J+AoEHHP3U@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik5eBQCJsEW14hvz5kQGuO6KG-Yj4d+T4rgNvue@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik6d3OVtP8G_MqbqUOW0yyWrbN9wg15aPs6w_pq@mail.gmail.com>

*Wait a minute - David, you are on to something. THIS WORKS!*

*I exported as scripted and opened the resultant file in Amadeus Pro RAW
(default params) - and got a cogent waveform - my sound!! It was even at the
same speed. 16 bit 44.1k*

*
*

*on* mouseUp

     *play* ac "shutShortQ.aif"

     *copy*  audioclip "shutShortQ.aif"

     *ask* file "name?" with "shutShortQ.aif"

     *if* it is empty or it is "cancel" *then* *exit* to top

     *put* it into someFile

     *get* clipboarddata ["objects"]

     *put* it into url ("binfile:" & someFile)

     *put* it

*end* mouseUp


What's needed to make a usable audio file is just to provide the appropriate
header info, which obviously missing. The binary data with no or special
headers is stored in the stack as an audioclip. Are there hidden properties
of the individual audioclip object ( such as sample rate ) that can be found
before export?

By the way, the audioclip object can have custom properties assigned. Think
volume and other metadata could be stored.

This is totally hackable in Livecode!

Looking at the output waveform, it appears that the track ends early and
spikes to digital 0 (full negative), which indicates that a few bytes in the
front are missing - the header bytes!

must investigate!

more later


On 7 January 2011 14:15, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:

> NB - filed this as a bug report - vote for this:
>
>   - http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=9280
>
>
> On 7 January 2011 22:07, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:
>
> > No - I don't think it will work as an export format - as it is an
> internal
> > object representation format for LiveCode.
> >
>

Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan  7 19:17:57 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 16:17:57 -0800
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
Message-ID: <4D27AD35.8080507@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

 > The main issue for us here is about mixing code projects together
 > in ways in which the code can be used in clear ways for commercial
 > and non-commercial projects - removing the uncertainty. Let's just
 > make sure the code bases can be mixed together. If someone uses a
 > "strange" - CC style license, which is not GPL compatible, then I
 > won't be able to combine it with code that uses other licenses in
 > any legally robust way.

For some that may be a feature.

If you want GPL, use GPL.  MIT seems even more liberal, all the sharing 
without the forced openness downstream.  And then there's even public 
domain, the freest of all.


 > As a practical example I would not be able to submit my code
 > libraries or code I have form other people to the revIgnitor
 > project, as the license was hand crafted. Ralf changing the
 > license to a GPL compatible license made everything start to
 > work nicely.

That may work well for you, but that means for me I can't use revIgniter 
as an embedded system in a closed-source product.  Not that I have an 
immediate need for that, but I'd considered using revIgniter for a 
project recently, but that project has a likelihood to fork into an 
embedded proprietary component down the road, so GPL stuff would be 
challenging to consider.


 > The same will go with other projects that seek to make compilations
 > of open code. A mosaic of poorly thought out licenses will cause
 > real problems.

Anything poorly thought out will cause problems. :)

There are scenarios for meaningful sharing that aren't addressed by 
GLP-compatible licenses, so while it would be desirable if there were 
fewer licenses in the world, the diversity of needs seems to require 
equally diverse terms to describe them.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv





From kkaufman at snet.net  Fri Jan  7 20:18:06 2011
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 20:18:06 -0500
Subject: Humor: xkcd- How To Write Good Code
Message-ID: <5CB65FE0-531F-4FDA-8236-A905B85107F1@snet.net>

http://xkcd.com/844/



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan  7 20:36:34 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 19:36:34 -0600
Subject: Control Keys still not working - FIXED
In-Reply-To: <B74BB902-F07A-42F2-85A4-28807A298F61@cox.net>
References: <8930ED15-5298-47AA-889A-F239A5396C06@cox.net>	<4D279AEE.6020708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B74BB902-F07A-42F2-85A4-28807A298F61@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4D27BFA2.6050301@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/7/11 5:30 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Jacqui, Richard,
>
> Thanks for your replies. One additional change along with building
> the Windows version by itself works perfectly,except for the Control
> Q, which I'm sure I'll figure out - eventually.

You don't need to build separately. The standalone builder essentially 
does that anyway, it builds for each OS sequentially. I'm not sure what 
the problem would be with Control-Q, if you have the menu shortcut set 
up it should respond as you'd expect. Your menu line entry should be 
something like this:

&Quit/Q

Though Windows users generally expect it to say "Exit" instead. I 
usually swap out the last line according to the OS either when the app 
starts up or on a mousedown in the menu group.

How menus work, with special character designations at the bottom of the 
page:
<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/rraboutMenus.html>

> In watching someone else play with it on a real PC, I noticed a few
> other things he wanted to do, some of which worked and some that
> didn't. I use the arrow keys for card navigation; whereas he wanted
> to use them for menu navigation. Not sure exactly how to fix that so
> that it works both ways.

I've never tried to do that, but maybe someone else has.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 20:51:45 2011
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 09:51:45 +0800
Subject: [OT] Lest We Forget
Message-ID: <AANLkTikb0SK_GckiRA5u04GTdQNgFsTBCXm7ZbAw1pdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Folks it's been far too long since I've been able to be frequent this List;
life is way way too busy. But sometimes when life's too busy you do need to
stop, step back and remember what's important.

This morning I realised that it was the anniversary of Bill Marriott's
passing. I understand that Kevin lost someone important around this time of
year as well. The Rev community (as it was back then) has also lost Eric.

As I head into 2011 I just wish you all a very healthy and prosperous 2011,
may we all remember what's really important in life (and tell them so
regularly).

My hope is that life will eventually slow down enough that I can return and
enjoy the comrade of this List and do some LiveCoding,

Must go, the grindstone's calling ;-(


From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri Jan  7 20:59:29 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:59:29 -0800
Subject: Control Keys still not working - FIXED
In-Reply-To: <4D27BFA2.6050301@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8930ED15-5298-47AA-889A-F239A5396C06@cox.net>	<4D279AEE.6020708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B74BB902-F07A-42F2-85A4-28807A298F61@cox.net>
	<4D27BFA2.6050301@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1C14A62E-BE80-4963-8AE3-47C22E5B691E@cox.net>

I assumed as much; just hadn't gotten back to trying that out. I still have a few minor things to do with the menus, such as disabling ones that are not applicable under certain circumstances. I think the most difficult adjustment will be allowing for use of arrow keys to navigate from menu to menu and within menus. I'm not a big user of that technique so I forgot that it is something to which people are accustomed - Mac and Windows.

Thanks for the follow-up, Jacqui!

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>


On Jan 7, 2011, at 5:36 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> You don't need to build separately. The standalone builder essentially does that anyway, it builds for each OS sequentially. I'm not sure what the problem would be with Control-Q, if you have the menu shortcut set up it should respond as you'd expect. Your menu line entry should be something like this:
> 
> &Quit/Q
> 
> Though Windows users generally expect it to say "Exit" instead. I usually swap out the last line according to the OS either when the app starts up or on a mousedown in the menu group.
> 
> How menus work, with special character designations at the bottom of the page:
> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/rraboutMenus.html>



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan  7 22:06:39 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 19:06:39 -0800
Subject: Humor: xkcd- How To Write Good Code
In-Reply-To: <5CB65FE0-531F-4FDA-8236-A905B85107F1@snet.net>
References: <5CB65FE0-531F-4FDA-8236-A905B85107F1@snet.net>
Message-ID: <144229823359.20110107190639@ahsoftware.net>

Kurt-

Friday, January 7, 2011, 5:18:06 PM, you wrote:

> http://xkcd.com/844/

LOL. But all seriousness aside, I think the "Throw it all out and
start over" step is the best refactoring process there is. My code
becomes so much cleaner when I've already thought out the issues and
don't have to deal with the legacy code I've (badly) written.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From jhj at jhj.com  Fri Jan  7 23:25:05 2011
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 20:25:05 -0800
Subject: Humor: xkcd- How To Write Good Code
In-Reply-To: <144229823359.20110107190639@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5CB65FE0-531F-4FDA-8236-A905B85107F1@snet.net>
	<144229823359.20110107190639@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4399B483-B7C5-4616-98EE-511417EBB0A0@jhj.com>

On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Kurt-
> 
> Friday, January 7, 2011, 5:18:06 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> http://xkcd.com/844/
> 
> LOL. But all seriousness aside, I think the "Throw it all out and
> start over" step is the best refactoring process there is. My code
> becomes so much cleaner when I've already thought out the issues and
> don't have to deal with the legacy code I've (badly) written.

A manager at Claris once said to me in a meeting: "The first pancake is rarely the best one".




From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 00:21:11 2011
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 23:21:11 -0600
Subject: Adding To Zip File
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=58+4_7QvS9ygypHL3MheGj6WG7T1NXWfx2rJ6@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to add data to a zip file.  I keep getting a "ziperr, illegal
variable" on the revZipAddItemWithData command.  The open and close results
are empty...and the zip file is not getting created.

   revZipOpenArchive "c:/Users/Warren/Desktop/software/wdk.zip", "update"
   answer the result
   revZipAddItemWithData "c:/Users/Warren/Desktop/software/wdk.zip",
 "text.txt", "This is a test"
   answer the result
   revZipCloseArchive "c:/Users/Warren/Desktop/software/wdk.zip"
   answer the result

Any help greatly appreciated!

Warren


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan  8 00:52:21 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:52:21 -0800
Subject: Adding To Zip File
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=58+4_7QvS9ygypHL3MheGj6WG7T1NXWfx2rJ6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=58+4_7QvS9ygypHL3MheGj6WG7T1NXWfx2rJ6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <133239765031.20110107215221@ahsoftware.net>

Warren-

Friday, January 7, 2011, 9:21:11 PM, you wrote:

>    revZipAddItemWithData "c:/Users/Warren/Desktop/software/wdk.zip",
>  "text.txt", "This is a test"

Do you really have a variable called "This is a test"?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 00:58:05 2011
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 23:58:05 -0600
Subject: Adding To Zip File
In-Reply-To: <133239765031.20110107215221@ahsoftware.net>
References: <AANLkTi=58+4_7QvS9ygypHL3MheGj6WG7T1NXWfx2rJ6@mail.gmail.com>
	<133239765031.20110107215221@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikpYv8-tV+PEx-YEHK5NbvtWBddPv-DAAjRmV0b@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

I tried changing it to:

         put "t" into ttest
         revZipAddItemWithData "c:/Users/Warren/Desktop/NewSpinner/wdk.zip",
 "text.txt", ttest
         answer the result

...still the same error.

Warren

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Warren-
>
> Friday, January 7, 2011, 9:21:11 PM, you wrote:
>
> >    revZipAddItemWithData "c:/Users/Warren/Desktop/software/wdk.zip",
> >  "text.txt", "This is a test"
>
> Do you really have a variable called "This is a test"?
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan  8 01:05:22 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 22:05:22 -0800
Subject: Adding To Zip File
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikpYv8-tV+PEx-YEHK5NbvtWBddPv-DAAjRmV0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=58+4_7QvS9ygypHL3MheGj6WG7T1NXWfx2rJ6@mail.gmail.com>
	<133239765031.20110107215221@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTikpYv8-tV+PEx-YEHK5NbvtWBddPv-DAAjRmV0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <196240546109.20110107220522@ahsoftware.net>

Warren-

Friday, January 7, 2011, 9:58:05 PM, you wrote:

> I tried changing it to:

>          put "t" into ttest
>          revZipAddItemWithData
> "c:/Users/Warren/Desktop/NewSpinner/wdk.zip",
>  "text.txt", ttest
>          answer the result

> ...still the same error.

try

          revZipAddItemWithData
 "c:/Users/Warren/Desktop/NewSpinner/wdk.zip",
  "text.txt", "ttest"

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 01:09:44 2011
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 00:09:44 -0600
Subject: Adding To Zip File
In-Reply-To: <196240546109.20110107220522@ahsoftware.net>
References: <AANLkTi=58+4_7QvS9ygypHL3MheGj6WG7T1NXWfx2rJ6@mail.gmail.com>
	<133239765031.20110107215221@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTikpYv8-tV+PEx-YEHK5NbvtWBddPv-DAAjRmV0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<196240546109.20110107220522@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimYa9WYmY=zg9GfKQFXDAK+hbFKETpjPFsdSP-Y@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

I can't thank you enough!  I have been banging my head against the wall for
hours trying to figure this out.

Appreciate your help!
Warren

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Warren-
>
> Friday, January 7, 2011, 9:58:05 PM, you wrote:
>
> > I tried changing it to:
>
> >          put "t" into ttest
> >          revZipAddItemWithData
> > "c:/Users/Warren/Desktop/NewSpinner/wdk.zip",
> >  "text.txt", ttest
> >          answer the result
>
> > ...still the same error.
>
> try
>
>          revZipAddItemWithData
>  "c:/Users/Warren/Desktop/NewSpinner/wdk.zip",
>  "text.txt", "ttest"
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
>
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From chipp at altuit.com  Sat Jan  8 01:13:10 2011
From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 00:13:10 -0600
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <1AEC1FE9-C97F-4539-AD1F-A9BA90A525C4@twft.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
	<70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>
	<CB0DC1AD-857D-4006-A5F2-7AED8AE2F3EC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<3E7D9029-602F-456E-9B89-9B5D0466C1C3@twft.com>
	<D70AC311-4CA4-4FA6-8545-90D8371DA9EB@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<1AEC1FE9-C97F-4539-AD1F-A9BA90A525C4@twft.com>
Message-ID: <72461645-6E5C-4042-95D5-521ADF659830@altuit.com>

I'm with you. In fact I believe if you don't lock your car, you should have it stolen. And anyone stupid enough to never lock their house deserves to be robbed at gunpoint and pistol whipped. 

And don't get me started about if you're so stupid to not know how to program in Objective-C...

Chipp Walters
Who doesn't really know any Objective-C
And who sometimes uses the word password..
And who lives in Texas in a sometimes unlocked house and car and tractor and truck
And who has a big gun and the Texas law on his side anytime he needs to use it.

(In fact, in Texas, I'm allowed to shoot a robber as he's carrying out a TV, in the back, who is robbing my neighbor's house...while they're away... Yep, we don't have too many home invasions here. And we balance our budget each year).
:-p

On Jan 7, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> I agree that a lot of people use crappy passwords. It is my somewhat controversial opinion however, given that this is the 21st century, that those people really deserve to lose everything they protect with such passwords. 
>>> 
>>> 



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan  8 01:37:17 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 22:37:17 -0800
Subject: Adding To Zip File
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYa9WYmY=zg9GfKQFXDAK+hbFKETpjPFsdSP-Y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=58+4_7QvS9ygypHL3MheGj6WG7T1NXWfx2rJ6@mail.gmail.com>
	<133239765031.20110107215221@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTikpYv8-tV+PEx-YEHK5NbvtWBddPv-DAAjRmV0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<196240546109.20110107220522@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTimYa9WYmY=zg9GfKQFXDAK+hbFKETpjPFsdSP-Y@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <139242460734.20110107223717@ahsoftware.net>

Warren-

Friday, January 7, 2011, 10:09:44 PM, you wrote:

> I can't thank you enough!  I have been banging my head against the wall for
> hours trying to figure this out.

...and now you have to fix the wall. I hate it when that happens...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Sat Jan  8 01:42:06 2011
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 07:42:06 +0100
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <E34928AD-92AF-462D-B737-A2801B1F1863@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1jurmkf.roc6i1167mx22M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> As you can see, the section titles and commands consist of doubled  
> letters.

I encountered this as I was trying to read the man for ls on the server
machine [On-Rev]... the text file I obtained was almost unreadable!

Nonetheless, "doubled" chars are interpreted as *bold* chars on geek
apps (you know, line command) ;-)



From psahores at free.fr  Sat Jan  8 03:16:34 2011
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 09:16:34 +0100
Subject: [OT] Lest We Forget
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikb0SK_GckiRA5u04GTdQNgFsTBCXm7ZbAw1pdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikb0SK_GckiRA5u04GTdQNgFsTBCXm7ZbAw1pdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <663DC363-B7C5-4A3A-B0FE-C7A5CA0D82A8@free.fr>

Thank you for reminding us and prove that humanity prevails sometimes over ethology.

Le 8 janv. 2011 ? 02:51, Kay C Lan a ?crit :

> This morning I realised that it was the anniversary of Bill Marriott's
> passing. I understand that Kevin lost someone important around this time of
> year as well. The Rev community (as it was back then) has also lost Eric.
> 
> As I head into 2011 I just wish you all a very healthy and prosperous 2011,
> may we all remember what's really important in life (and tell them so
> regularly).

--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70

www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com







From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 03:49:20 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 10:49:20 +0200
Subject: [OT] Lest We Forget
In-Reply-To: <663DC363-B7C5-4A3A-B0FE-C7A5CA0D82A8@free.fr>
References: <AANLkTikb0SK_GckiRA5u04GTdQNgFsTBCXm7ZbAw1pdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<663DC363-B7C5-4A3A-B0FE-C7A5CA0D82A8@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4D282510.2050003@gmail.com>

On 01/08/2011 10:16 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
> Thank you for reminding us and prove that humanity prevails sometimes over ethology.
>
> Le 8 janv. 2011 ? 02:51, Kay C Lan a ?crit :
>
>> This morning I realised that it was the anniversary of Bill Marriott's
>> passing. I understand that Kevin lost someone important around this time of
>> year as well. The Rev community (as it was back then) has also lost Eric.

We are all considerably poorer with his death. I so hope he is in a 
better place
and is, maybe, somehow, aware of our feelings towards him.

>> As I head into 2011 I just wish you all a very healthy and prosperous 2011,
>> may we all remember what's really important in life (and tell them so
>> regularly).
> --
> Pierre Sahores
> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70
>
> www.woooooooords.com
> www.sahores-conseil.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sat Jan  8 05:09:26 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 10:09:26 +0000
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
In-Reply-To: <4D27AD35.8080507@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D27AD35.8080507@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2dEuY6vvD7sJCdrsoHQRjppc2pDc6Mf1W91UV@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Richard - a few minor points / corrections:

On 8 January 2011 00:17, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

>
> > As a practical example I would not be able to submit my code
> > libraries or code I have form other people to the revIgnitor
> > project, as the license was hand crafted. Ralf changing the
> > license to a GPL compatible license made everything start to
> > work nicely.
>
> That may work well for you, but that means for me I can't use revIgniter as
> an embedded system in a closed-source product.  Not that I have an immediate
> need for that, but I'd considered using revIgniter for a project recently,
> but that project has a likelihood to fork into an embedded proprietary
> component down the road, so GPL stuff would be challenging to consider.


That's not true, you can use revIgnitor in a closed, or embedded contexrt
because the (GPL-compatible) Apache 2 license allows this (as would the
GPL-compatible MIT/X11 license). That was Ralf's intention.

Not sure but you may be mistaking what is meant by GPL compatible (see
link)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License_compatibility>- it is not
the same as GPL! It just means that GPL projects are able to use
the code from any of the GPL compatible licensed code bases. In this way the
MetaCard project uses a GPL compatible license.

> The same will go with other projects that seek to make compilations
> > of open code. A mosaic of poorly thought out licenses will cause
> > real problems.
>
> Anything poorly thought out will cause problems. :)
>
> There are scenarios for meaningful sharing that aren't addressed by
> GLP-compatible licenses, so while it would be desirable if there were fewer
> licenses in the world, the diversity of needs seems to require equally
> diverse terms to describe them.
>

Richard, could you be more specific - apart from the lack of a
"non-commercial" option you can get with CC, I have not come across any
scenarios that you can't address using GPL-compatible licenses. If you could
give an example it would be real useful to me, as it is a main focus of my
work - thanks :)


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 07:42:26 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 07:42:26 -0500
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <1jurmkf.roc6i1167mx22M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
References: <1jurmkf.roc6i1167mx22M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <6E412F0B-44DB-4D49-84B4-C7ED9DD6ABAB@gmail.com>

So, no way of decoding this easily, huh? If you do a char by char pass  
through the text and replace every doubled letter with its single,  
then you'll get sily comands.... How do the "geek apps" manage to  
parse it?

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Jan 8, 2011, at 1:42 AM, Medard wrote:

> Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As you can see, the section titles and commands consist of doubled
>> letters.
>
> I encountered this as I was trying to read the man for ls on the  
> server
> machine [On-Rev]... the text file I obtained was almost unreadable!
>
> Nonetheless, "doubled" chars are interpreted as *bold* chars on geek
> apps (you know, line command) ;-)
>
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Jan  8 07:58:39 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 04:58:39 -0800
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <6E412F0B-44DB-4D49-84B4-C7ED9DD6ABAB@gmail.com>
References: <1jurmkf.roc6i1167mx22M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
	<6E412F0B-44DB-4D49-84B4-C7ED9DD6ABAB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D285F7F.8040707@pdslabs.net>

Try this:
      put "ls" into tCommand
      put shell("man " & tCommand & " | col -b") into fld 1

That is how my Shell Command Help plugin does it.

Phil Davis



On 1/8/11 4:42 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
> So, no way of decoding this easily, huh? If you do a char by char pass through 
> the text and replace every doubled letter with its single, then you'll get 
> sily comands.... How do the "geek apps" manage to parse it?
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2011, at 1:42 AM, Medard wrote:
>
>> Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As you can see, the section titles and commands consist of doubled
>>> letters.
>>
>> I encountered this as I was trying to read the man for ls on the server
>> machine [On-Rev]... the text file I obtained was almost unreadable!
>>
>> Nonetheless, "doubled" chars are interpreted as *bold* chars on geek
>> apps (you know, line command) ;-)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>> preferences:
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Professional Software Development
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jan  8 09:56:43 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 10:56:43 -0400
Subject: Preferences on first start-up
Message-ID: <AANLkTinqyprK_PZd40sB6sr4gmnYSye-VEYHU6mor9gr@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone built a preferences stack which can be used in any livecode app
and which checks on start-up specialfolderpath("preferences") to see if the
file is there and creates it if not? I just noticed an app in Apple's new
app store which views the preferences file for any application (they are all
xml files with .plist) and wondered if someone has built a stack which
adheres to this standard that everyone can use in their applications?


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jan  8 10:30:40 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 11:30:40 -0400
Subject: Trying to adhere to interface standards Mac OS X
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=whjEkUG-U_sGm6CUqwT9V7idtneg903fyqCs1@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know an easy way to make windows have a fat gray bar at the top where
you can put your icons for doing things in your app?


From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Sat Jan  8 10:46:39 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 15:46:39 +0000
Subject: Preferences on first start-up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinqyprK_PZd40sB6sr4gmnYSye-VEYHU6mor9gr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinqyprK_PZd40sB6sr4gmnYSye-VEYHU6mor9gr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCE469E6-BDC8-4489-86FA-7440C6CBE99E@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

...I'm rather hoping that's one of the things the GLX framework supports with it's preference handling (I'm just starting to learn about it, so can't be sure).
http://www.bluemangolearning.com/screensteps/examples/manuals/GLX_Application_Framework.html

On 8 Jan 2011, at 14:56, william humphrey wrote:

> Has anyone built a preferences stack which can be used in any livecode app
> and which checks on start-up specialfolderpath("preferences") to see if the
> file is there and creates it if not? I just noticed an app in Apple's new
> app store which views the preferences file for any application (they are all
> xml files with .plist) and wondered if someone has built a stack which
> adheres to this standard that everyone can use in their applications?
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan  8 10:51:59 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 07:51:59 -0800
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
Message-ID: <4D28881F.508@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

> On 8 January 2011 00:17, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> There are scenarios for meaningful sharing that aren't addressed by
>> GLP-compatible licenses, so while it would be desirable if there were fewer
>> licenses in the world, the diversity of needs seems to require equally
>> diverse terms to describe them.
>
> Richard, could you be more specific - apart from the lack of a
> "non-commercial" option you can get with CC, I have not come across any
> scenarios that you can't address using GPL-compatible licenses. If you could
> give an example it would be real useful to me, as it is a main focus of my
> work - thanks :)

Short answer:

For some projects it may be desirable, or even necessary, to prevent 
forking.



Long answer:

Writing code requires the most valuable non-renewable resource on the 
planet: time.

Time always carries a cost.  At a minimum, a developer must eat, keep a 
roof over their head, and keep the electricity flowing into their 
machine while they write.

Recognizing that even free code requires a material cost to produce, 
open source can be seen as a rich man's game: because the software is 
given away, the money to pay for it must come from some other source.

Many FOSS advocates argue that compensation for code can come from 
support and training services.  But that position overlooks the 
counterproductive nature of such revenue streams:  they disincentivise 
quality.

If you give software away for free and seek compensation for your 
expenses incurred while making it through support and training, you have 
no incentive to enhance the product's usability.

On the contrary, if you were to achieve the ideal of making a software 
so good that requires no support or training, ironically you risk 
killing the project because you'd no longer be able to afford to work on it.

So the uability-minded developer has four alternatives:

1. An egalitarian model, in which those who derive material benefit from 
a project contribute materially to the project equally.  This is more or 
less how most proprietary commercial products support themselves, with 
licensing fees.

2. Draw from retained earnings acquired from other directly-compensated 
work.  This is the "rich man", the man who has made enough money to 
enjoy the leisure of working thousands of hours for free.

3. Find a sponsor who has a strategic reason for compensating you.  Here 
the "rich man" is the sponsor, like IBM pouring millions into Linux 
development because it provides them leverage against Microsoft.  This 
not at all altruism, but of solid business value (see Spolsky's 
"Strategy Letter V: Commoditize Your Compliments").

4. Find either direct compensation through advertising on the project's 
home page, or through strategic value for yourself by using the project 
to enhance the positioning of your consultancy.


This last option requires that you prevent forking:


Imagine that you spend a thousand hours making a truly useful product, 
and decide to share it under the GPL.

You spend another hundred hours building an attractive and usable home 
page for it, and use your best marketing experience to evangelizing it 
so it can be as useful to as many people as possible.

You're able to justify this all of this expense because you believe that 
you can either drive enough traffic to your site to earn the money need 
to support the project through advertising, or because the traffic will 
provide opportunities to grow your consulting business.

Like IBM with Linux, you've found your own strategic benefit to giving 
away code, a way of having the project pay for itself without requiring 
license fees.

But suppose, as often happens in life, your need to keep a roof over 
your head means that you need to take a break from the project shortly 
after launch.  So while you've just provided tremendous value to the 
community, for at least a couple months you simply aren't wealthy enough 
to keep giving it your primary focus, and need to spend some time 
earning money through other means before you'll have accrued enough to 
be able to afford to resume enhancing the project.

In the meantime, I recognize the value of what you've done and would 
like to have the same value at my own site.

So rather than contribute new features to the code base hosted at your 
site, I simply fork the project and host it at my own.

To justify this to the community, I might spend as much as 50 hours 
adding a new feature or two to your work, just enough to make it 
worthwhile for the traffic to come to my site instead of yours.

So you spent 1100 hours building a project from scratch and making a 
name for it, and I get most of the benefit of that work for a fraction 
of the effort.


Had you chosen a Creative Commons license instead of GPL, you would have 
been able to share your work just as broadly to as many people as 
before, but you would also have had the option of requiring that any 
additions to the code base be contributed to the main project, rather 
than allowing forked derivatives.

This way a project can grow from the same scope of contributions, but it 
keeps the motivating value where most of the expense was incurred, with 
the original developer.

If I wanted to contribute to your project I can submit enhancements, and 
you could reward such contributions with acknowledgment and links back 
to my site.

If that wasn't sufficient to motivate me, I still have the freedom to 
spend my own 1100 hours making my own code base.


I recognize that this scenario doesn't apply to all FOSS projects, and 
for those it doesn't there are plenty of license options to choose from.

But unless you've either acquired enough spare cash to be able to work 
without pay, or find a corporate or governmental sponsor with both their 
own deep pockets and a strategic reason to dip into them to pay you, 
there is a need for a license that allows a project to be a single 
entity, unforkable.

Some purists may feel otherwise, and all are entitled to their own 
opinions and to pursue their own projects as they see fit.

But all code incurs material expense to produce, and that expense must 
be covered for a project to be viable.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan  8 11:01:15 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 08:01:15 -0800
Subject: Preferences on first start-up
Message-ID: <4D288A4B.1060604@fourthworld.com>

william humphrey wrote:
> Has anyone built a preferences stack which can be used in any livecode app
> and which checks on start-up specialfolderpath("preferences") to see if the
> file is there and creates it if not? I just noticed an app in Apple's new
> app store which views the preferences file for any application (they are all
> xml files with .plist) and wondered if someone has built a stack which
> adheres to this standard that everyone can use in their applications?

One of the slow-but-ongoing projects at the Rev Interoperability Group 
is stdLib, a library of common handlers and functions needed by most apps.

stdLib includes handlers to get and set prefs, both of which use a 
function that returns the path to the prefs file in an appropriate place 
on both OS X and Windows (needs to be extended to include Linux too).

That function first checks if the prefs stack already exists, and if not 
it creates it.

The RIP home page is:
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/>

I'll take this opportunity to draw attention to another intiative there 
that's very valuable IMO but has so far garnered little active support:

- the creation of a behavior script for fields to handle data input 
validation and masking.

The goal of RIP is to identify needs for components and tools that are 
useful enough to be worth doing, and focused enough in scope that they 
could actually get done.

If you can spare any time to contribute to such things, the aim is to 
release anything made there under the ultra-flexible terms of either the 
MIT license or public domain, so all can benefit without concerns about 
licensing for use in commercial work.

I hope to see some of you there.  Most of the current members have been 
so busy on other projects that we could sure use some fresh blood. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 11:03:38 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 11:03:38 -0500
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <4D285F7F.8040707@pdslabs.net>
References: <1jurmkf.roc6i1167mx22M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
	<6E412F0B-44DB-4D49-84B4-C7ED9DD6ABAB@gmail.com>
	<4D285F7F.8040707@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <E5C70E07-ACDA-4CB7-8BC1-7111BB63C2CE@gmail.com>

On Jan 8, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Try this:
>     put "ls" into tCommand
>     put shell("man " & tCommand & " | col -b") into fld 1
>
> That is how my Shell Command Help plugin does it.
>
> Phil Davis

Interesting. This trick is documented in the man page for "man" at the  
bottom, though nowhere in the syntax list does it list the "col" or "- 
b" parameters.

"To  get a plain text version of a man page, without backspaces and  
underscores, try
	 # man foo | col -b > foo.mantxt"

Thanks.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 11:15:51 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 18:15:51 +0200
Subject: Trying to adhere to interface standards Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=whjEkUG-U_sGm6CUqwT9V7idtneg903fyqCs1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=whjEkUG-U_sGm6CUqwT9V7idtneg903fyqCs1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D288DB7.809@gmail.com>

On 01/08/2011 05:30 PM, william humphrey wrote:
> Anyone know an easy way to make windows have a fat gray bar at the top where
> you can put your icons for doing things in your app?
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Fake it!

Just have a group at the top that is set to backGround behavior and populate
it either with GIF/PNG images (faux buttons) or buttons which reference 
off-screen
images as icons.


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jan  8 11:33:41 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 12:33:41 -0400
Subject: Preferences on first start-up
In-Reply-To: <4D288A4B.1060604@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D288A4B.1060604@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=998q7R2ugdD-Ljx0ERjRX3co-6TwddCc8Gr4r@mail.gmail.com>

This is great. I joined the yahoo group. The files section has lots of
stuff, nice. There is a database of image ID's and a database of namespace
prefixes also but I don't see any easy way to add new things to those
databases.

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> william humphrey wrote:
>
>> Has anyone built a preferences stack which can be used in any livecode app
>> and which checks on start-up specialfolderpath("preferences") to see if
>> the
>> file is there and creates it if not? I just noticed an app in Apple's new
>> app store which views the preferences file for any application (they are
>> all
>> xml files with .plist) and wondered if someone has built a stack which
>> adheres to this standard that everyone can use in their applications?
>>
>
> One of the slow-but-ongoing projects at the Rev Interoperability Group is
> stdLib, a library of common handlers and functions needed by most apps.
>
> stdLib includes handlers to get and set prefs, both of which use a function
> that returns the path to the prefs file in an appropriate place on both OS X
> and Windows (needs to be extended to include Linux too).
>
> That function first checks if the prefs stack already exists, and if not it
> creates it.
>
> The RIP home page is:
> <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/>
>
> I'll take this opportunity to draw attention to another intiative there
> that's very valuable IMO but has so far garnered little active support:
>
> - the creation of a behavior script for fields to handle data input
> validation and masking.
>
> The goal of RIP is to identify needs for components and tools that are
> useful enough to be worth doing, and focused enough in scope that they could
> actually get done.
>
> If you can spare any time to contribute to such things, the aim is to
> release anything made there under the ultra-flexible terms of either the MIT
> license or public domain, so all can benefit without concerns about
> licensing for use in commercial work.
>
> I hope to see some of you there.  Most of the current members have been so
> busy on other projects that we could sure use some fresh blood. :)
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>
>
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jan  8 11:38:31 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 12:38:31 -0400
Subject: Trying to adhere to interface standards Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <4D288DB7.809@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=whjEkUG-U_sGm6CUqwT9V7idtneg903fyqCs1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D288DB7.809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1+d80sMvSPdS793np8xkf8vR6zvhkEUuurUCX@mail.gmail.com>

Except that the existing gray window bar has to blend into your wider one
because you need the little candy drop window controls in the corner.

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 01/08/2011 05:30 PM, william humphrey wrote:
>
>> Anyone know an easy way to make windows have a fat gray bar at the top
>> where
>> you can put your icons for doing things in your app?
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> Fake it!
>
> Just have a group at the top that is set to backGround behavior and
> populate
> it either with GIF/PNG images (faux buttons) or buttons which reference
> off-screen
> images as icons.
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 11:40:52 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 18:40:52 +0200
Subject: Trying to adhere to interface standards Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin1+d80sMvSPdS793np8xkf8vR6zvhkEUuurUCX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=whjEkUG-U_sGm6CUqwT9V7idtneg903fyqCs1@mail.gmail.com>	<4D288DB7.809@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin1+d80sMvSPdS793np8xkf8vR6zvhkEUuurUCX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D289394.5000607@gmail.com>

On 01/08/2011 06:38 PM, william humphrey wrote:
> Except that the existing gray window bar has to blend into your wider one
> because you need the little candy drop window controls in the corner.
>
>> Fake it!
>>
>> Just have a group at the top that is set to backGround behavior and
>> populate
>> it either with GIF/PNG images (faux buttons) or buttons which reference
>> off-screen
>> images as icons.

Set your Window decorations to empty and fake the candy drop controls as 
well . . .   :)


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jan  8 11:46:31 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 12:46:31 -0400
Subject: Preferences on first start-up
In-Reply-To: <4D288A4B.1060604@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D288A4B.1060604@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=sn66-_axPsYcfyyG07PEuqMShx2G5SmH3NGiO@mail.gmail.com>

The stdLib stack on that yahoo group is 1.01b and it was made back in 2007.
It does not have any handlers to get and set prefs.

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> william humphrey wrote:
>
>> Has anyone built a preferences stack which can be used in any livecode app
>> and which checks on start-up specialfolderpath("preferences") to see if
>> the
>> file is there and creates it if not? I just noticed an app in Apple's new
>> app store which views the preferences file for any application (they are
>> all
>> xml files with .plist) and wondered if someone has built a stack which
>> adheres to this standard that everyone can use in their applications?
>>
>
> One of the slow-but-ongoing projects at the Rev Interoperability Group is
> stdLib, a library of common handlers and functions needed by most apps.
>
> stdLib includes handlers to get and set prefs, both of which use a function
> that returns the path to the prefs file in an appropriate place on both OS X
> and Windows (needs to be extended to include Linux too).
>
> That function first checks if the prefs stack already exists, and if not it
> creates it.
>
> The RIP home page is:
> <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/>
>
> I'll take this opportunity to draw attention to another intiative there
> that's very valuable IMO but has so far garnered little active support:
>
> - the creation of a behavior script for fields to handle data input
> validation and masking.
>
> The goal of RIP is to identify needs for components and tools that are
> useful enough to be worth doing, and focused enough in scope that they could
> actually get done.
>
> If you can spare any time to contribute to such things, the aim is to
> release anything made there under the ultra-flexible terms of either the MIT
> license or public domain, so all can benefit without concerns about
> licensing for use in commercial work.
>
> I hope to see some of you there.  Most of the current members have been so
> busy on other projects that we could sure use some fresh blood. :)
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>
>
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jan  8 11:47:35 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 12:47:35 -0400
Subject: Trying to adhere to interface standards Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <4D289394.5000607@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=whjEkUG-U_sGm6CUqwT9V7idtneg903fyqCs1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D288DB7.809@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin1+d80sMvSPdS793np8xkf8vR6zvhkEUuurUCX@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D289394.5000607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimX5QfPMGH6jETZc+brEiizPM53kdZ8mzPJgtHE@mail.gmail.com>

Oh Richmond you're killing me. I wonder if that is how the people who code
with c++ do it?

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 01/08/2011 06:38 PM, william humphrey wrote:
>
>> Except that the existing gray window bar has to blend into your wider one
>> because you need the little candy drop window controls in the corner.
>>
>>  Fake it!
>>>
>>> Just have a group at the top that is set to backGround behavior and
>>> populate
>>> it either with GIF/PNG images (faux buttons) or buttons which reference
>>> off-screen
>>> images as icons.
>>>
>>
> Set your Window decorations to empty and fake the candy drop controls as
> well . . .   :)
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 12:10:16 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:10:16 +0200
Subject: Trying to adhere to interface standards Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimX5QfPMGH6jETZc+brEiizPM53kdZ8mzPJgtHE@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=whjEkUG-U_sGm6CUqwT9V7idtneg903fyqCs1@mail.gmail.com>	<4D288DB7.809@gmail.com>	<AANLkTin1+d80sMvSPdS793np8xkf8vR6zvhkEUuurUCX@mail.gmail.com>	<4D289394.5000607@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimX5QfPMGH6jETZc+brEiizPM53kdZ8mzPJgtHE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D289A77.4050700@gmail.com>

  On 1/8/11 6:47 PM, william humphrey wrote:
> Oh Richmond you're killing me. I wonder if that is how the people who code
> with c++ do it?

It would not surprise me one bit. Having lived and worked for quite a 
few years of my life in
Universities I am well aware just how much is fake and/or done with 
smoke and mirrors.

Why does this trouble you? The important thing is that it should look 
the way you want, and
have the functionality you want . . . .  :)
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Richmond<richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On 01/08/2011 06:38 PM, william humphrey wrote:
>>
>>> Except that the existing gray window bar has to blend into your wider one
>>> because you need the little candy drop window controls in the corner.
>>>
>>>   Fake it!
>>>> Just have a group at the top that is set to backGround behavior and
>>>> populate
>>>> it either with GIF/PNG images (faux buttons) or buttons which reference
>>>> off-screen
>>>> images as icons.
>>>>
>> Set your Window decorations to empty and fake the candy drop controls as
>> well . . .   :)
>>




From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sat Jan  8 12:26:23 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 17:26:23 +0000
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
In-Reply-To: <4D28881F.508@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D28881F.508@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiknBz5vPWmqgggJc4Zd3+SD=j8NeqFubcfxkpDo@mail.gmail.com>

Just keeping to the parts:

On 8 January 2011 15:51, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:


> Had you chosen a Creative Commons license instead of GPL, you would have
> been able to share your work just as broadly to as many people as before,
> but you would also have had the option of requiring that any additions to
> the code base be contributed to the main project, rather than allowing
> forked derivatives.
>

I'm not sure what you mean here - are you talking about the "No Derivatives"
option <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/>? While this prevents creating
a derived work, it does nothing to stop someone hosting the content on their
site - as in your example? I've not explored the use cases of the
No-Derivative clauses that much - as the only ones I've come across it
artists wanting to keep control of the integrity of the work - but you've
got me intrigued. What is it that you want to prevent - other than someone
hosting the content? I just can;t get my head around the business use case
that relates to the license here.

On forking in general, that does come up a lot, and so far in all the
business cases I've seen. while the possibility of a fork certainly
frightens many people, I have actually never seen a clear cut case of it
damaging a commercial project - that is I've not seen any real world
examples of individual or companies having their work forked and losing out
- it has in all the cases I've looked at turned out that the main developer
keeps the community, except in cases in which the developer moves on to
other work - in which case the code would have died without the possibility
of low friction forking. Indeed the main developer has nearly always
benefited by being commercially valuable to competitors due to their
position in the community and knowledge of the people and code base - so
they end up getting a good deal from what otherwise would have been a
hostile takeover of competitive product.

I would really like to hear examples of companies or individuals having lost
out commercially by having their code forked - maybe there are cases but
people just keep quiet about them? I have experience of many projects not
working out, but these have always been down to a failure of attracting
developers, or related issues often as a result of taking a half-open
approach.

I can see stopping others from benefiting commercially (the non-commercial
option) as preventing the type of revenue loss you mention - for instance
through advertising revenue, but the GPL type clauses force projects to
contribute back to the main project, which in practice is sufficient to
prevent destructive forking for active projects?

Thanks for taking the time to respond - my interest is in real business
models built around licenses, or other legal innovations - and not the
politics :)**


From chipp at altuit.com  Sat Jan  8 12:34:51 2011
From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 11:34:51 -0600
Subject: [OT] Lest We Forget
In-Reply-To: <4D282510.2050003@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikb0SK_GckiRA5u04GTdQNgFsTBCXm7ZbAw1pdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<663DC363-B7C5-4A3A-B0FE-C7A5CA0D82A8@free.fr>
	<4D282510.2050003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B06DD18E-067F-43CF-A799-95E4A0338FC9@altuit.com>

Well said, Richmond.

Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc

On Jan 8, 2011, at 2:49 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> We are all considerably poorer with his death. I so hope he is in a better place
> and is, maybe, somehow, aware of our feelings towards him.


From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Sat Jan  8 13:31:50 2011
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:31:50 +0100
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <4D285F7F.8040707@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <1jusjah.11ijgntcznm80M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

>  put shell("man " & tCommand & " | col -b") into fld 1

<?rev
put shell("man ls | col -b") into tman 
put tman into url "file:manls.txt"
put "Done!!"
?>

You are a Command Line God!

:-)

the obtained file is perfect! 

NB: it is possible to write directly tman to the navigator window, but
as it eats spaces, the result is somewhat indigestible...



From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Sat Jan  8 13:44:36 2011
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:44:36 +0100
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <E5C70E07-ACDA-4CB7-8BC1-7111BB63C2CE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1jusk16.mr8d9h1acqibmM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> "To  get a plain text version of a man page, without backspaces and  
> underscores, try
>        # man foo | col -b > foo.mantxt"

on the server:

<?rev
put shell("man ls | col -b > tman.txt")
put "Done!!"
?>

works great also, almost a one-liner ;-)

<?rev put shell("man ls | col -b > tman.txt") ?>

works also :-)



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan  8 15:30:39 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:30:39 +0100
Subject: ANN: Installer Maker Plugin 1.5.1 for LiveCode
Message-ID: <DEEEC061-2E56-41A0-BC4C-CF0CC5A82B8E@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi everybody,

While keeping an eye on the Live LiveCode Code event, which you currently can still watch at http://blog.livecode.tv/david/ , I updated the Installer Maker Plugin for LiveCode.

This new version of the Installer Maker Plugin fixes a proble, which prevented the addition of multiple files (as opposed to folders and single files). More info is available at http://rrinstallermaker.economy-x-talk.com . 

This is a free update for everyone who bought a license during the past 3 months. You can buy an upgrade with a 50% discount, if your license is less than 1 year old,

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Jan  8 17:23:23 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 14:23:23 -0800
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
Message-ID: <C94E23DB.4FEBE%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hey List Members:

Does anyone have a recommendation for an inexpensive service that provides
automated processing of software orders -- once an order is completed and
approved, a reg code is sent to the user's email address.

I don't have high volume, but the "manual labor" process I've been using for
years is getting tiresome and I figure by now there must be an affordable
better way.  Years ago when I was searching for options, I saw a few
services that worked with fees based on percentage of software cost.  This
seemed odd to me because whether the software cost 1 dollar or 1000 dollars,
there's no difference in the service provided: approve the transaction, send
a reg code.  I guess I could understand the fee if the service provider
acted as the bank as well, but I assumed transactions were handled by a
separate credit processing company (maybe not).

Anyway, thanks in advance for any recommendations.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Jan  8 17:23:28 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 14:23:28 -0800
Subject: RevOnline: New version of Shell Command Help
In-Reply-To: <1jusjah.11ijgntcznm80M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
References: <1jusjah.11ijgntcznm80M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4D28E3E0.2030301@pdslabs.net>

On 1/8/11 10:31 AM, Medard wrote:
> Phil Davis<revdev at pdslabs.net>  wrote:
>
>>   put shell("man "&  tCommand&  " | col -b") into fld 1
> <?rev
> put shell("man ls | col -b") into tman
> put tman into url "file:manls.txt"
> put "Done!!"
> ?>
>
> You are a Command Line God!

That's a name I have never been called.  ;-)

> :-)
>
> the obtained file is perfect!
>
> NB: it is possible to write directly tman to the navigator window, but
> as it eats spaces, the result is somewhat indigestible...

What happens if you do this? Maybe this would let you put it to the navigator 
window:

<?rev
put shell("man ls | col -b") into tman
replace space with "&nbsp;" in tman
put tman
?>



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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan  8 17:29:25 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 23:29:25 +0100
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <C94E23DB.4FEBE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94E23DB.4FEBE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <B5B6F84E-D217-4B73-B197-A1B27CC14D88@economy-x-talk.com>

Scott,

I made one with PayPal. It has advantages and disadvantages, but of all services I looked into it is the one with the fewest disadvantages (I write it this way on purpose). I will be making two more during the next week, also with PayPal.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce

On 8 jan 2011, at 23:23, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Hey List Members:
> 
> Does anyone have a recommendation for an inexpensive service that provides
> automated processing of software orders -- once an order is completed and
> approved, a reg code is sent to the user's email address.
> 
> I don't have high volume, but the "manual labor" process I've been using for
> years is getting tiresome and I figure by now there must be an affordable
> better way.  Years ago when I was searching for options, I saw a few
> services that worked with fees based on percentage of software cost.  This
> seemed odd to me because whether the software cost 1 dollar or 1000 dollars,
> there's no difference in the service provided: approve the transaction, send
> a reg code.  I guess I could understand the fee if the service provider
> acted as the bank as well, but I assumed transactions were handled by a
> separate credit processing company (maybe not).
> 
> Anyway, thanks in advance for any recommendations.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design




From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sat Jan  8 17:34:46 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:34:46 -0800
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <C94E23DB.4FEBE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94E23DB.4FEBE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <41607FB1-E17D-4D05-97A7-6F07931F14AD@mollysrevenge.com>

I've seen this implemented with PayPal.  I believe you can send people to a web page of your choice after a transaction is completed and that web page gets information about the transaction sent to it.  You'd have to write some sort of code to take that info and email a registration code to the purchaser.  I guess the plus side is that there is no extra fee other than Paypal's usual transaction fee.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 8, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Hey List Members:
> 
> Does anyone have a recommendation for an inexpensive service that provides
> automated processing of software orders -- once an order is completed and
> approved, a reg code is sent to the user's email address.
> 
> I don't have high volume, but the "manual labor" process I've been using for
> years is getting tiresome and I figure by now there must be an affordable
> better way.  Years ago when I was searching for options, I saw a few
> services that worked with fees based on percentage of software cost.  This
> seemed odd to me because whether the software cost 1 dollar or 1000 dollars,
> there's no difference in the service provided: approve the transaction, send
> a reg code.  I guess I could understand the fee if the service provider
> acted as the bank as well, but I assumed transactions were handled by a
> separate credit processing company (maybe not).
> 
> Anyway, thanks in advance for any recommendations.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
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From bvg at mac.com  Sat Jan  8 17:39:16 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 23:39:16 +0100
Subject: Live LiveCode Code event #5
In-Reply-To: <4CCC0AEB-1FB8-47DA-BB5D-6EA8F86B2F5D@mac.com>
References: <4CCC0AEB-1FB8-47DA-BB5D-6EA8F86B2F5D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8E954BEC-877D-4D21-9317-56C96CBAA23E@mac.com>

It's been a great show yet again, with me coughing myself trough the presentation, and David forgetting to record (for the last time, he promised).

Look at my labelfield stack:
http://blog.livecode.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/labelfield.zip

 And my recorded presentation: 
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/11893484

No ribbons, but next time we'll have some eHUG sponsored eBooks for eGiveaway!
http://www.ehug.info/

See you next Saturday
Bjoernke


On 7 Jan 2011, at 21:42, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> Dearest Developers
> 
> For the first time this year, the live madness returns. This time I (Bjoernke) will start the show, and I'll be showing off a plugin I have made for the IDE. It allows me to edit the text of label fields by double clicking them (pointer mode only).
> http://livecode.tv/bvg/
> 
> After I'm finished, David will show a way to create text representations of stacks, or in his own words:  "Hacking LiveCode - using open text based stack formats, to find out what has changed and who changed it!"
> http://livecode.tv/david/
> 
> Note that the day of the week poll is closed. With an overwhelming majority liking the show to be on Saturdays! Therefore, please go to the new poll and vote for your favourite times for the show to start at:
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From kkaufman at snet.net  Sat Jan  8 18:02:49 2011
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 18:02:49 -0500
Subject: Audioclips: can't get at the data?
Message-ID: <2B07F8CE-CCE8-4401-95FF-8C4F31669C9A@snet.net>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> ...What's needed to make a usable audio file is just to provide the appropriate
> header info, which obviously missing. The binary data with no or special
> headers is stored in the stack as an audioclip. Are there hidden properties
> of the individual audioclip object ( such as sample rate ) that can be found
> before export?...

Isn't there a reference to "standard" headers for the various sound file formats- the way there is for MIDI files?  
For instance, for AIFF:
http://uweb.txstate.edu/~me02/tutorials/sound_file_formats/aifc/docs/aifc.htm

-and-

http://uweb.txstate.edu/~me02/tutorials/sound_file_formats/aiff/common.htm

and for WAVE:
http://www-mmsp.ece.mcgill.ca/Documents/AudioFormats/WAVE/WAVE.html

I'm presuming here that in the case of, for example AIFF, the length of the raw binary sound data could be read by LiveCode so as to be able to define cksize and other chunk components. This could then be added to create the required header.

Am I mistaken?  Or would this be too much to bother with?  Perhaps the length of audio data, as opposed to MIDI data, makes this method impractical?
Of course, best would be for this to be a built-in function.

-Kurt


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sat Jan  8 18:11:57 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 15:11:57 -0800
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <C94E23DB.4FEBE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94E23DB.4FEBE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4D28EF3D.1030005@comcast.net>

Hi Scott,

I just signed up with FastSpring.com. So far, so good. You can provide 
them with a list of registration codes that then get sent to the 
customer upon successful payment. Their control panel/setup is pretty 
straight forward. They do charge an 8.9% processing fee. In my search, I 
didn't find anyone who didn't go by a percentage. FastSpring can also 
customize the checkout page so that it matches the rest of your site 
very nicely (you have to ask for this). You get paid either once or 
twice a month - your choice.

PayPal works pretty good if you don't need to deal with registration codes.

I would also be interested in what others are using. Especially as 
regards disseminating registration codes.

HTH,
Marty Knapp
> Hey List Members:
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for an inexpensive service that provides
> automated processing of software orders -- once an order is completed and
> approved, a reg code is sent to the user's email address.
>
> I don't have high volume, but the "manual labor" process I've been using for
> years is getting tiresome and I figure by now there must be an affordable
> better way.  Years ago when I was searching for options, I saw a few
> services that worked with fees based on percentage of software cost.  This
> seemed odd to me because whether the software cost 1 dollar or 1000 dollars,
> there's no difference in the service provided: approve the transaction, send
> a reg code.  I guess I could understand the fee if the service provider
> acted as the bank as well, but I assumed transactions were handled by a
> separate credit processing company (maybe not).
>
> Anyway, thanks in advance for any recommendations.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
>
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat Jan  8 18:27:18 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 15:27:18 -0800
Subject: Menu Question
Message-ID: <63BDFE62-B1C7-43B1-ADBB-D4F966620A42@cox.net>

Can anyone tell me what condition or property for which I can check to see if a menu is "open"; it's been clicked on or (for example) an option/F has displayed  the File Menu's contents? I have no idea what to look for in the Dictionary.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>









From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan  8 18:29:13 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 00:29:13 +0100
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <4D28EF3D.1030005@comcast.net>
References: <C94E23DB.4FEBE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4D28EF3D.1030005@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EC7FBFE-45BD-4B53-AF07-45B81EF12A6A@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Marty,

Such systems with fixed registration codes are very sensitive to hacking. My registration systems are based on a name entered by the buyer or linked to the PayPal account. That makes illegal distribution of the registration code slightly less probable. I think that 8.9% is very expensive, although for very cheap products it might be a good thing, if there isn't also a minimum fee. Customisation sounds good, that might be a reason for me to still look into this.

Actually, PayPal has an easy-to-implement, very effective and inexpensive system to deal with registration codes (and any other item you might want to sell on-line). I just don't like their policies (e.g. PayPal makes it impossible for software company to proof that a license has been delivered in case if a dispute).

I tend to say: I'll open an open-source website for this, but since the OAuth initiative didn't bring anything, I believe I won't try this again.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

P.S. To anyone who wrote me an e-mail recently: please be patient, I will get back to you.

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On 9 jan 2011, at 00:11, Marty Knapp wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> 
> I just signed up with FastSpring.com. So far, so good. You can provide them with a list of registration codes that then get sent to the customer upon successful payment. Their control panel/setup is pretty straight forward. They do charge an 8.9% processing fee. In my search, I didn't find anyone who didn't go by a percentage. FastSpring can also customize the checkout page so that it matches the rest of your site very nicely (you have to ask for this). You get paid either once or twice a month - your choice.
> 
> PayPal works pretty good if you don't need to deal with registration codes.
> 
> I would also be interested in what others are using. Especially as regards disseminating registration codes.




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Jan  8 18:30:43 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 15:30:43 -0800
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <41607FB1-E17D-4D05-97A7-6F07931F14AD@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <C94E33A3.4FECE%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Thanks Mark/Peter/Marty for the responses.

I guess I should have been more clear about handling reg codes -- I'd like
this to be part of the order processing.  I currently have a PayPal account
and handle all my software purchase transactions through them, which works
fine.  But I'm sending out reg codes manually, and in this era of immediate
gratification, within the same day is often not fast enough.  I'd like to
find a service that handles the reg codes automatically once the financial
transaction is completed.

Thanks for any additional suggestions.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




Recently, Peter Haworth wrote:

> I've seen this implemented with PayPal.  I believe you can send people to a
> web page of your choice after a transaction is completed and that web page
> gets information about the transaction sent to it.  You'd have to write some
> sort of code to take that info and email a registration code to the purchaser.
> I guess the plus side is that there is no extra fee other than Paypal's usual
> transaction fee.





From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan  8 18:35:13 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 00:35:13 +0100
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <C94E33A3.4FECE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94E33A3.4FECE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <51865B09-F8C7-40B1-818D-AA5201181376@economy-x-talk.com>

Scott,

Yes, I did what you want. PayPal has a PHP library for it (which is easier to use than Facebook ;-) )

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce

On 9 jan 2011, at 00:30, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Thanks Mark/Peter/Marty for the responses.
> 
> I guess I should have been more clear about handling reg codes -- I'd like
> this to be part of the order processing.  I currently have a PayPal account
> and handle all my software purchase transactions through them, which works
> fine.  But I'm sending out reg codes manually, and in this era of immediate
> gratification, within the same day is often not fast enough.  I'd like to
> find a service that handles the reg codes automatically once the financial
> transaction is completed.
> 
> Thanks for any additional suggestions.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan  8 18:37:59 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:37:59 -0600
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <C94E33A3.4FECE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94E33A3.4FECE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4D28F557.3080400@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/8/11 5:30 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Thanks Mark/Peter/Marty for the responses.
>
> I guess I should have been more clear about handling reg codes -- I'd like
> this to be part of the order processing.  I currently have a PayPal account
> and handle all my software purchase transactions through them, which works
> fine.  But I'm sending out reg codes manually, and in this era of immediate
> gratification, within the same day is often not fast enough.  I'd like to
> find a service that handles the reg codes automatically once the financial
> transaction is completed.

Kagi does all that. I don't know what their current rate fees are though.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan  8 18:42:32 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:42:32 -0600
Subject: Menu Question
In-Reply-To: <63BDFE62-B1C7-43B1-ADBB-D4F966620A42@cox.net>
References: <63BDFE62-B1C7-43B1-ADBB-D4F966620A42@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4D28F668.6010302@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/8/11 5:27 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Can anyone tell me what condition or property for which I can check
> to see if a menu is "open"; it's been clicked on or (for example) an
> option/F has displayed  the File Menu's contents? I have no idea what
> to look for in the Dictionary.

There isn't one, you'd have to track it yourself somehow. Why do you 
need to know that? Maybe there's another approach.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Sat Jan  8 18:44:27 2011
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 23:44:27 +0000
Subject: Menu Question
In-Reply-To: <63BDFE62-B1C7-43B1-ADBB-D4F966620A42@cox.net>
References: <63BDFE62-B1C7-43B1-ADBB-D4F966620A42@cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY152-w11B0A98AB9D8DE16902C1DED0C0@phx.gbl>




Have a look at menuHistory in the dictionary ... 

> Can anyone tell me what condition or property for which I can check to see if a menu is "open"; it's been clicked on or (for example) an option/F has displayed  the File Menu's contents? I have no idea what to look for in the Dictionary.
> 
> Joe Lewis Wilkins
> Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
> <www.glsysinc.com>

 		 	   		  

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan  8 18:45:29 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 15:45:29 -0800
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <4D28F557.3080400@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C94E33A3.4FECE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4D28F557.3080400@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <97304152765.20110108154529@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Saturday, January 8, 2011, 3:37:59 PM, you wrote:

> Kagi does all that. I don't know what their current rate fees are though.

About the same.

http://www.kagi.com/kagisolutions/pricing.php

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sat Jan  8 19:01:24 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 16:01:24 -0800
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <C94E33A3.4FECE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94E33A3.4FECE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4D28FAD4.3020204@comcast.net>

FastSpring does what you're asking - they automatically issue the 
registration codes. They can deal with a list of your codes that you 
supply in bulk, or they offer a system that also generates the code, 
though I don't know that there is a way to implement dealing with that 
in LiveCode.

When a sale is completed, you also get, along with the customer info, 
the code that was issued so you have a record of it.

I believe the Kagi system is similar in this regard and their fees are 
the same, if I'm not mistaken.

I wasn't aware that PayPal offered anything for issued registration 
codes (thanks Mark for that info). Their rates are certainly less. I 
will look into this. How many of you have used this? Have you found it 
to be reliable? Fairly easy to implement?

Marty
> Thanks Mark/Peter/Marty for the responses.
>
> I guess I should have been more clear about handling reg codes -- I'd like
> this to be part of the order processing.  I currently have a PayPal account
> and handle all my software purchase transactions through them, which works
> fine.  But I'm sending out reg codes manually, and in this era of immediate
> gratification, within the same day is often not fast enough.  I'd like to
> find a service that handles the reg codes automatically once the financial
> transaction is completed.
>
> Thanks for any additional suggestions.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan  8 19:10:58 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 01:10:58 +0100
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <4D28FAD4.3020204@comcast.net>
References: <C94E33A3.4FECE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4D28FAD4.3020204@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <83B969BC-DE80-46C2-854C-CCB019B8B3FD@economy-x-talk.com>

Marty,

PayPal provides a library, into which you can hook your own registration system. You still have to make the actual script PHP to generate a license, but you can use the transaction information that's provided in real time by PayPal to create that license.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce

On 9 jan 2011, at 01:01, Marty Knapp wrote:

> FastSpring does what you're asking - they automatically issue the registration codes. They can deal with a list of your codes that you supply in bulk, or they offer a system that also generates the code, though I don't know that there is a way to implement dealing with that in LiveCode.
> 
> When a sale is completed, you also get, along with the customer info, the code that was issued so you have a record of it.
> 
> I believe the Kagi system is similar in this regard and their fees are the same, if I'm not mistaken.
> 
> I wasn't aware that PayPal offered anything for issued registration codes (thanks Mark for that info). Their rates are certainly less. I will look into this. How many of you have used this? Have you found it to be reliable? Fairly easy to implement?




From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sat Jan  8 19:16:02 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 00:16:02 +0000
Subject: Bad text...
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=EZfHnRDcMZJUPFdYs28J+NkOgLET4qR7-BkLQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
> getprop bad_Text
>    return the text of the target
> end bad_Text
>
> getprop good_Text
>    put the long id of the target into targetObject
>    return the text of targetObject
> end good_Text
>

Anyone think these two handlers are equivalent?  Think again :)


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Jan  8 19:17:47 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 16:17:47 -0800
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <83B969BC-DE80-46C2-854C-CCB019B8B3FD@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C94E3EAB.4FED6%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> PayPal provides a library, into which you can hook your own registration
> system. You still have to make the actual script PHP to generate a license,
> but you can use the transaction information that's provided in real time by
> PayPal to create that license.

I wonder if one could do this with on-rev instead of PHP...

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan  8 19:23:25 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 01:23:25 +0100
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <C94E3EAB.4FED6%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94E3EAB.4FED6%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <2E884106-8F9C-4C75-B9D9-CFCA11C8D549@economy-x-talk.com>

Scott,

You could, but naturally you'd have to translate the entire PHP library as provided by PayPal to on-rev.

--
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Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce

On 9 jan 2011, at 01:17, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> 
>> PayPal provides a library, into which you can hook your own registration
>> system. You still have to make the actual script PHP to generate a license,
>> but you can use the transaction information that's provided in real time by
>> PayPal to create that license.
> 
> I wonder if one could do this with on-rev instead of PHP...
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
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From kee at kagi.com  Sat Jan  8 19:24:30 2011
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 16:24:30 -0800
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <4D28F557.3080400@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C94E33A3.4FECE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4D28F557.3080400@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <95D1B463-43C5-4CF1-8854-2EB8EBBBEB7F@kagi.com>

One of the things Kagi can do is run your registration code algorithm on our servers using a livecode stack. 

We can provide you with a template livecode stack that has fields for all the order data that we can submit to your algorithm. You transfer your algorithm into our template stack and have it populate a regcode field and optionally a second field. We pass that data back to the customer.

Kee Nethery





From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat Jan  8 19:53:05 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 16:53:05 -0800
Subject: Menu Question
In-Reply-To: <4D28F668.6010302@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <63BDFE62-B1C7-43B1-ADBB-D4F966620A42@cox.net>
	<4D28F668.6010302@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <175BF7EC-7361-4F40-9EC7-56AF16D765D3@cox.net>

Hi Jacqui,

Once a menu has been clicked on or opened using Alt/F (for the File Menu) I want to be able to navigate within the menu using the Up and Down Arrow Keys, or go to the next menu with the Right Arrow key. This is a common method used by Window's users. I remember some time back that we could do the same on Macs. I'm not a keyboard person myself, so I'd actually forgotten about this technique.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>







On Jan 8, 2011, at 3:42 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/8/11 5:27 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> Can anyone tell me what condition or property for which I can check
>> to see if a menu is "open"; it's been clicked on or (for example) an
>> option/F has displayed  the File Menu's contents? I have no idea what
>> to look for in the Dictionary.
> 
> There isn't one, you'd have to track it yourself somehow. Why do you need to know that? Maybe there's another approach.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat Jan  8 19:56:39 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 16:56:39 -0800
Subject: Menu Question
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-w11B0A98AB9D8DE16902C1DED0C0@phx.gbl>
References: <63BDFE62-B1C7-43B1-ADBB-D4F966620A42@cox.net>
	<BAY152-w11B0A98AB9D8DE16902C1DED0C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <19FAAEEF-46D4-48CD-B87B-693B7C56FBC7@cox.net>

Thanks John. I'll see if that provides something for me.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>


On Jan 8, 2011, at 3:44 PM, John Dixon wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Have a look at menuHistory in the dictionary ... 
> 
>> Can anyone tell me what condition or property for which I can check to see if a menu is "open"; it's been clicked on or (for example) an option/F has displayed  the File Menu's contents? I have no idea what to look for in the Dictionary.
>> 
>> Joe Lewis Wilkins
>> Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
>> <www.glsysinc.com>



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan  8 20:08:30 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 17:08:30 -0800
Subject: Bad text...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=EZfHnRDcMZJUPFdYs28J+NkOgLET4qR7-BkLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=EZfHnRDcMZJUPFdYs28J+NkOgLET4qR7-BkLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90309134062.20110108170830@ahsoftware.net>

David-

Saturday, January 8, 2011, 4:16:02 PM, you wrote:

>> getprop bad_Text
>>    return the text of the target
>> end bad_Text
>>
>> getprop good_Text
>>    put the long id of the target into targetObject
>>    return the text of targetObject
>> end good_Text
>>

I get the same results with either here. What are you seeing?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From bvlahos at mac.com  Sat Jan  8 20:26:25 2011
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:26:25 -0800
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <C94E23DB.4FEBE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94E23DB.4FEBE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <EE11A22A-2A01-4BB2-8AB5-A537BEE330FB@mac.com>

I use Kagi. They were very helpful with the entire process. 

Bill Vlahos

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 8, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Hey List Members:
> 
> Does anyone have a recommendation for an inexpensive service that provides
> automated processing of software orders -- once an order is completed and
> approved, a reg code is sent to the user's email address.
> 
> I don't have high volume, but the "manual labor" process I've been using for
> years is getting tiresome and I figure by now there must be an affordable
> better way.  Years ago when I was searching for options, I saw a few
> services that worked with fees based on percentage of software cost.  This
> seemed odd to me because whether the software cost 1 dollar or 1000 dollars,
> there's no difference in the service provided: approve the transaction, send
> a reg code.  I guess I could understand the fee if the service provider
> acted as the bank as well, but I assumed transactions were handled by a
> separate credit processing company (maybe not).
> 
> Anyway, thanks in advance for any recommendations.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan  8 20:55:37 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:55:37 -0600
Subject: Menu Question
In-Reply-To: <175BF7EC-7361-4F40-9EC7-56AF16D765D3@cox.net>
References: <63BDFE62-B1C7-43B1-ADBB-D4F966620A42@cox.net>	<4D28F668.6010302@hyperactivesw.com>
	<175BF7EC-7361-4F40-9EC7-56AF16D765D3@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4D291599.3030206@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/8/11 6:53 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Hi Jacqui,
>
> Once a menu has been clicked on or opened using Alt/F (for the File
> Menu) I want to be able to navigate within the menu using the Up and
> Down Arrow Keys, or go to the next menu with the Right Arrow key.
> This is a common method used by Window's users. I remember some time
> back that we could do the same on Macs. I'm not a keyboard person
> myself, so I'd actually forgotten about this technique.

If the menu group is set as the stack's menubar, the arrow keys work 
automatically the way you want without any scripting.If the menu has 
focus, the arrow keys should work as-is. (I just tried it in a new stack 
in Windows 7.) You may have some handlers that are interfering. If you 
have an arrowkey handler, check to see if the target is your menubar 
group and just pass arrowkey if that's the case.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat Jan  8 21:48:08 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 18:48:08 -0800
Subject: Menu Question
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-w11B0A98AB9D8DE16902C1DED0C0@phx.gbl>
References: <63BDFE62-B1C7-43B1-ADBB-D4F966620A42@cox.net>
	<BAY152-w11B0A98AB9D8DE16902C1DED0C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <151AB629-C66B-46CD-B3D7-2233DDA961CF@cox.net>

Hi John,

I'm pretty sure I can make this work. Thanks.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>







On Jan 8, 2011, at 3:44 PM, John Dixon wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Have a look at menuHistory in the dictionary ... 
> 
>> Can anyone tell me what condition or property for which I can check to see if a menu is "open"; it's been clicked on or (for example) an option/F has displayed  the File Menu's contents? I have no idea what to look for in the Dictionary.
>> 
>> Joe Lewis Wilkins
>> Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
>> <www.glsysinc.com>
> 
> 		 	   		  
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat Jan  8 21:59:11 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 18:59:11 -0800
Subject: Menu Question
In-Reply-To: <4D291599.3030206@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <63BDFE62-B1C7-43B1-ADBB-D4F966620A42@cox.net>	<4D28F668.6010302@hyperactivesw.com>
	<175BF7EC-7361-4F40-9EC7-56AF16D765D3@cox.net>
	<4D291599.3030206@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5124A93F-C03E-4A4A-B0F1-2CD044AE3DF3@cox.net>

Jacqui,

Unfortunately, I haven't always used menubars; If I were to start over, something I don't intend to do at this time, I would. And I DO have Arrow key handlers for card navigation. It's one of my preferred ways of moving around. I'm pretty sure the menuHistory property is going to let me do what I want. Thanks for your suggestions though. Always appreciated.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>







On Jan 8, 2011, at 5:55 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/8/11 6:53 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> Hi Jacqui,
>> 
>> Once a menu has been clicked on or opened using Alt/F (for the File
>> Menu) I want to be able to navigate within the menu using the Up and
>> Down Arrow Keys, or go to the next menu with the Right Arrow key.
>> This is a common method used by Window's users. I remember some time
>> back that we could do the same on Macs. I'm not a keyboard person
>> myself, so I'd actually forgotten about this technique.
> 
> If the menu group is set as the stack's menubar, the arrow keys work automatically the way you want without any scripting.If the menu has focus, the arrow keys should work as-is. (I just tried it in a new stack in Windows 7.) You may have some handlers that are interfering. If you have an arrowkey handler, check to see if the target is your menubar group and just pass arrowkey if that's the case.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From rman at free.fr  Sat Jan  8 22:03:36 2011
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:03:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <2E884106-8F9C-4C75-B9D9-CFCA11C8D549@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <C94E23DB.4FEBE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<41607FB1-E17D-4D05-97A7-6F07931F14AD@mollysrevenge.com>
	<C94E33A3.4FECE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4D28FAD4.3020204@comcast.net>
	<83B969BC-DE80-46C2-854C-CCB019B8B3FD@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C94E3EAB.4FED6%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<2E884106-8F9C-4C75-B9D9-CFCA11C8D549@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <1294542216638-3205628.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi for info I set up with not too much trouble, a payment and registration
system on my on-rev account using 
1) PayPal as payment platform
2) http://www.hyperactivesw.com/solutions_zygodact.html as the registration
code generator CGI script.

You do not need to re-write any php script, the process is quite well
documented on PayPal.

I only tested that with the Paypal Sandbox, and not yet in real life.
-- 
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Software-Order-Processing-Service-tp3205455p3205628.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan  8 22:24:11 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 21:24:11 -0600
Subject: Menu Question
In-Reply-To: <5124A93F-C03E-4A4A-B0F1-2CD044AE3DF3@cox.net>
References: <63BDFE62-B1C7-43B1-ADBB-D4F966620A42@cox.net>	<4D28F668.6010302@hyperactivesw.com>	<175BF7EC-7361-4F40-9EC7-56AF16D765D3@cox.net>	<4D291599.3030206@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5124A93F-C03E-4A4A-B0F1-2CD044AE3DF3@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4D292A5B.1050508@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/8/11 8:59 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Jacqui,
>
> Unfortunately, I haven't always used menubars; If I were to start
> over, something I don't intend to do at this time, I would. And I DO
> have Arrow key handlers for card navigation. It's one of my preferred
> ways of moving around.

Unless you need to skip certain cards or otherwise control which is the 
"next" card, you don't need arrowkey handlers for that. Just set the 
navigationarrows to true and card navigation by arrow keys will happen 
automatically.

But even if you do need arrowkey handlers, you can just check in the 
first line to see if the target contains the name of your menu group. 
Pass arrowkey if that's the case. If there are no menus on the card, the 
test won't be true and the handler will continue as it does now.

> I'm pretty sure the menuHistory property is
> going to let me do what I want.

See how it goes. I don't think menuhistory changes until after the menu 
is closed.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sat Jan  8 22:26:57 2011
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 04:26:57 +0100
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <C94E33A3.4FECE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94E33A3.4FECE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <0D9E2B39-BDC3-47C4-9ADA-DF75C5783A04@ezpzapps.com>


On Jan 9, 2011, at 12:30 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Thanks Mark/Peter/Marty for the responses.
> 
> I guess I should have been more clear about handling reg codes -- I'd like
> this to be part of the order processing.  I currently have a PayPal account
> and handle all my software purchase transactions through them, which works
> fine.  But I'm sending out reg codes manually, and in this era of immediate
> gratification, within the same day is often not fast enough.  I'd like to
> find a service that handles the reg codes automatically once the financial
> transaction is completed.
> 
> Thanks for any additional suggestions.

Kagi.com

sims



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan  8 22:34:40 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 21:34:40 -0600
Subject: Menu Question
In-Reply-To: <4D292A5B.1050508@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <63BDFE62-B1C7-43B1-ADBB-D4F966620A42@cox.net>	<4D28F668.6010302@hyperactivesw.com>	<175BF7EC-7361-4F40-9EC7-56AF16D765D3@cox.net>	<4D291599.3030206@hyperactivesw.com>	<5124A93F-C03E-4A4A-B0F1-2CD044AE3DF3@cox.net>
	<4D292A5B.1050508@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4D292CD0.3000201@hyperactivesw.com>

I wrote:

>
> But even if you do need arrowkey handlers, you can just check in the
> first line to see if the target contains the name of your menu group.
> Pass arrowkey if that's the case. If there are no menus on the card, the
> test won't be true and the handler will continue as it does now.

That's a little bit not right. I should have said to check if the name 
of your menubar is in the long name of the target. If you just check the 
target, you'll get the name of the menu button which won't work.

In other words, add this one line to the top of your arrowkey handler:

  on arrowkey pWhich
   if "the name of my menubar" is in the long name of the target
   then pass arrowkey
   -- rest of existing handler goes here
  end arrowkey

But I'd be surprised if you really need the arrowkey handler at all 
unless you're doing something non-standard with navigation. You should 
be able to ignore arrowkeys entirely and get the correct navigation and 
correct menubar behavior without doing anything. LiveCode's pretty smart 
about that stuff.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat Jan  8 22:44:04 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:44:04 -0800
Subject: Menu Question
In-Reply-To: <4D292CD0.3000201@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <63BDFE62-B1C7-43B1-ADBB-D4F966620A42@cox.net>	<4D28F668.6010302@hyperactivesw.com>	<175BF7EC-7361-4F40-9EC7-56AF16D765D3@cox.net>	<4D291599.3030206@hyperactivesw.com>	<5124A93F-C03E-4A4A-B0F1-2CD044AE3DF3@cox.net>
	<4D292A5B.1050508@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4D292CD0.3000201@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <95BC2B42-B8AA-4751-8404-1BF1057ADD38@cox.net>

That's one of the frustrating aspects of LC; I'm accustomed to rolling my own. I'd really prefer that LC stayed out of the way. Remember, my foundation in programming is Assembler. HC didn't have as many "hidden" characteristics as LC. It's almost impossible for someone like me who is only an occasional coder to keep up with Rev/LC progress. Right now I am so far behind that I will never catch up. With my vision problems trying to read all the stuff is just not the way to go. I've tried to use the Dictionary a number of times, but the text is too damn small and there is no preference that I've found to make it any larger.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>


On Jan 8, 2011, at 7:34 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> But I'd be surprised if you really need the arrowkey handler at all unless you're doing something non-standard with navigation. You should be able to ignore arrowkeys entirely and get the correct navigation and correct menubar behavior without doing anything. LiveCode's pretty smart about that stuff.



From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 02:30:09 2011
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 01:30:09 -0600
Subject: List Field Problem
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=VApG=mpZvv=mRmFz77g1djkYD17uMHCdCtCtA@mail.gmail.com>

I created a scrolling list field with 6 choices.  The list field is larger
then the 6 choices I have included as more can be added by the user.  When I
click in the empty space below the 6 choices, it will either hilite the
first line or my last line that I selected.  This happens even after I set
the hilitedlines of field "field1" to empty.

Is there anyway to only hilite a line in a list field if I specifically
select the line?

Thanks for any help!
Warren


From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Sun Jan  9 02:50:43 2011
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 07:50:43 +0000
Subject: List Field Problem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=VApG=mpZvv=mRmFz77g1djkYD17uMHCdCtCtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=VApG=mpZvv=mRmFz77g1djkYD17uMHCdCtCtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-w30C70DC59031FE67E0C4FDED0D0@phx.gbl>


In the script of the list field...

   set the hilitedLines of me to word 2 of the clickLine

> I created a scrolling list field with 6 choices.  The list field is larger
> then the 6 choices I have included as more can be added by the user.  When I
> click in the empty space below the 6 choices, it will either hilite the
> first line or my last line that I selected.  This happens even after I set
> the hilitedlines of field "field1" to empty.
> 
> Is there anyway to only hilite a line in a list field if I specifically
> select the line?
> 
> Thanks for any help!
> Warren

 		 	   		  

From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Sun Jan  9 02:54:55 2011
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 07:54:55 +0000
Subject: List Field Problem
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-w30C70DC59031FE67E0C4FDED0D0@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTi=VApG=mpZvv=mRmFz77g1djkYD17uMHCdCtCtA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<BAY152-w30C70DC59031FE67E0C4FDED0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY152-w6DE7D8C29220F2768B6FDED0D0@phx.gbl>




 In the script of the list field...

set the hilitedLines of me to word 2 of the clickLine

and I forgot to say uncheck autohilite in the property inspector of the list field...

> > I created a scrolling list field with 6 choices.  The list field is larger
> > then the 6 choices I have included as more can be added by the user.  When I
> > click in the empty space below the 6 choices, it will either hilite the
> > first line or my last line that I selected.  This happens even after I set
> > the hilitedlines of field "field1" to empty.
> > 
> > Is there anyway to only hilite a line in a list field if I specifically
> > select the line?
> > 
> > Thanks for any help!
> > Warren

 		 	   		  

From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Jan  9 03:02:37 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 00:02:37 -0800
Subject: How To "Get" Properties in iOS?
Message-ID: <C94EAB9D.4FEF0%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Using the iOS scroller setup, I understand how to use the following to set
the scroll value:

 iphoneControlSet sScrollerId, "vscroll", 0

Now what's the script to "get" the scroll value?
I tried:
 iphoneControlGet sScrollerId, "vscroll"
 answer it

 iphoneControlGet sScrollerId, "vscroll"
 answer the result

 get iphoneControlGet sScrollerId, "vscroll"
 answer it

Nothing seems to work.  I must be missing something simple -- what's the
correct syntax here?

Also to RunRev -- shouldn't the "iphone" references in the iOS commands use
"mobile" instead to be more comprehensive when support for other mobile
devices is provided?

 mobileControlSet sScrollerId

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From claus at dreischer.de  Sun Jan  9 03:15:16 2011
From: claus at dreischer.de (Claus Dreischer)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 09:15:16 +0100
Subject: size of window decorations
In-Reply-To: <4D25F129.4030305@dreischer.de>
References: <4D25E03F.2060802@fourthworld.com> <4D25F129.4030305@dreischer.de>
Message-ID: <4D296E94.4040005@dreischer.de>

... and this stack script is what i came up with
(i only needed a windows XP solution)
(beware of email line breaks):


      -- shrink to min
      revChangeWindowSize the minWidth of me, the minHeight of
me,"slide",,500
      revUpdateGeometry

      -- get dimensions from screen and stack
      set the itemDelimiter to comma
      put item 3 of the working screenRect into screen_x
      put the width of this stack into stack_x
      put the height of this stack into stack_y

      -- get dimension from window caption
      get queryRegistry("HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control
Panel\desktop\WindowMetrics\CaptionHeight")
      if (it is not a number) or ( it = 0) then put 18 into stack_caption
      else
         put round(it / -15) into stack_caption  -- strange dimension
      end if

      -- move window in upper right corner
      move this stack to screen_x - round(stack_x/2) - 4,
round(stack_y/2) + stack_caption + 4 in 1 sec



From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sun Jan  9 04:01:20 2011
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 01:01:20 -0800
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <C94E3EAB.4FED6%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94E3EAB.4FED6%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <F4CEAB5C-4F08-4A0F-9B6E-AB1E513053A3@elementarysoftware.com>

Hello Scott,

As Robert Mann noted, you can do this with on-rev and PayPal's ipn (Instant  Payment Notification) mechanism.  If you decide to use this route, the script below gives the basics of how I scripted a beginning.

------------------------------------------------------------
<?rev
#--To verify the message, we must send back the contents in the exact order they were received
#--and precede it with the command _notify-validate, as follows:
#--https://www.sandbox.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_notify-validate&mc_gross=19.95&protection_eligibility=Eligible&address_status=confirmed&...&shipping=0.00
#-- PayPal will then send one single-word message:
#--  either   VERIFIED     or     INVALID
#-- https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr
#-- OR
#-- https://www.sandbox.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr

#-- get exactly what was sent
put $_POST_RAW into tPostRaw
put "?cmd=_notify-validate&" before tPostRaw 
#-- Check if transaction is valid with PayPal (reply back to PayPal)
#-- Discover whether we are playing in the sandbox or are live
if  $_POST["payer_email"] contains "paypalsandbox.com" then
    get URL ("https://www.sandbox.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" & tPostRaw)
else
    get URL ("https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" & tPostRaw)
end if
#-- record PayPal's response (for validation)
put it into tPayPalReply

#--parse out the data we want

#-- Identification
put $_POST["verify_sign"] into tVerificationSign
put $_POST["receiver_id"] into tSellerID -- my ID

#-- Customer
put $_POST["first_name"] into tFirstName


<snip>
------------------------------------------------------------

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com




On Jan 8, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> 
>> PayPal provides a library, into which you can hook your own registration
>> system. You still have to make the actual script PHP to generate a license,
>> but you can use the transaction information that's provided in real time by
>> PayPal to create that license.
> 
> I wonder if one could do this with on-rev instead of PHP...
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan  9 04:51:15 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 09:51:15 +0000
Subject: Bad text...
In-Reply-To: <90309134062.20110108170830@ahsoftware.net>
References: <AANLkTi=EZfHnRDcMZJUPFdYs28J+NkOgLET4qR7-BkLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<90309134062.20110108170830@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikvM=+WRUf6D4cA7waQDTFQ6203ptgBU+8ZHkiu@mail.gmail.com>

On 9 January 2011 01:08, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

>
> >> getprop bad_Text
> >>    return the text of the target
> >> end bad_Text
> >>
> >> getprop good_Text
> >>    put the long id of the target into targetObject
> >>    return the text of targetObject
> >> end good_Text
> >>
>
> I get the same results with either here. What are you seeing?
>

It's actually pretty annoying - or interesting depending what mood you are
in :)


Very basic:

   - Create a stack with 2 cards
   - Create a field on the second card with the text "Hello World!"
   - Set the stack script to:

getprop bad_Text
>    return the text of the target
> end bad_Text
>
> getprop good_Text
>    put the long id of the target into targetObject
>    return the text of targetObject
> end good_Text


On the first card try "put the good_Text of fld 1 of cd 2", which works as
expected, but  "put the bad_Text of fld 1 of cd 2" returns empty! It gets
even more complicated if you try to get "the properties of fld 1 of cd 2" -
where the "long id" trick no longer works.

This is a basic feature of the way "the target" works and not to do with
using getprop / setprops. I'd call it a serious bug - as this is not how
"the target" should work, even worse is that the simple line "get the
properties of fld 2 of cd 1" returns the wrong result whichever way you
construct it - the only way to get the real properties is a hack like the
following:

put the properties of fld 1 of cd 2 into propArray
put the htmltext of fld 1 of cd 2 into propArray ["htmlText"]

Though in real world scripts you need to check the target is a field, and
add a similar hack for the "hilite"


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan  9 04:58:31 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 09:58:31 +0000
Subject: Plugin messages: revSaveStackRequest
Message-ID: <AANLkTiksF2gfYJ3nVQnD2Bpn+sVKzehfa3bV1i00=qSc@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone successfully used the "revSaveStackRequest" message? I can't work
out which stack is getting saved, there is no param sent, and none of the
following work:

on revSaveStackRequest saveObject
>    put the topstack into saveObject
>    put the long id of the target into saveObject
> end revSaveStackRequest
>

Doing a brief search of the IDE scripts it seems like these messages are
sent by the engine, and the target is the card of the plugin stack. Can't
figure out a general way to work out which stack is being saved?


From bvg at mac.com  Sun Jan  9 06:17:49 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 12:17:49 +0100
Subject: Menu Question
In-Reply-To: <95BC2B42-B8AA-4751-8404-1BF1057ADD38@cox.net>
References: <63BDFE62-B1C7-43B1-ADBB-D4F966620A42@cox.net>
	<4D28F668.6010302@hyperactivesw.com>
	<175BF7EC-7361-4F40-9EC7-56AF16D765D3@cox.net>
	<4D291599.3030206@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5124A93F-C03E-4A4A-B0F1-2CD044AE3DF3@cox.net>
	<4D292A5B.1050508@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4D292CD0.3000201@hyperactivesw.com>
	<95BC2B42-B8AA-4751-8404-1BF1057ADD38@cox.net>
Message-ID: <0609F4EF-8E4E-45DB-ACD7-2D2D5139722B@mac.com>

On 9 Jan 2011, at 04:44, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

>  I've tried to use the Dictionary a number of times, but the text is too damn small and there is no preference that I've found to make it any larger.

Try BvG Docu then. Unless you're just randomly ranting, then please stay away from my stuff :P

http://bjoernke.com/?target=bvgdocu



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 07:37:23 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 14:37:23 +0200
Subject: RTF export
Message-ID: <4D29AC03.6040608@gmail.com>

Funnily enough when I export RTF documents
the don't seem to retain a reference to the font
they were originally written in (inside Livecode).

Help? Ideas? Richmond is being thick and missing
something?


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 07:40:46 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 14:40:46 +0200
Subject: Quit
Message-ID: <4D29ACCE.8020606@gmail.com>

I want to disable the ability of Mac users to QUIT
by pressing Command-Q; tis is to force them to
use localised QUIT buttons (each with slightly
different characteristics) on cards within a stack.


From henshaw at me.com  Sun Jan  9 07:47:58 2011
From: henshaw at me.com (Andy Henshaw)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 12:47:58 +0000
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
Message-ID: <9126FD2E-F633-46C1-8876-6C33BB0CC540@me.com>

Yes,  you can do it with on-rev instead of php,  its pretty simple stuff.

We have systems set up with Kagi, Plimus and Paypal.    All do the same thing,  which is on completion of the order they post the order info to a url you choose,  it can be a php or irev file,  it doesnt matter.

You then parse the post data,  in the case of Paypal you can send a request back to them to verify the request came from them just in case someone finds your key issue url out.  In the case of the others,  most send a private piece of data you set up with them so you can verify it.

Once you know it has come from the appropriate person,  you can then code the rest of the file i(in rev in the case of an on-rev file) to generate the key code,  log the sale on your own servers etc.  Our code takes the users email address and uses that as their user name,  and then generates a code based on that.  As the code is generated by a rev cgi,  its easy to have the server issue the code,  and the app decode it.

We tend to use Paypal and Plimus to handle the orders at the moment.  

I would say in my opinion Paypal are the best for us and we use Plimus for people who want to pay by card and not through Paypal.

We liked Kagi  but we have a discount system in the software so people could click a button in the software and buy with a discount code if they registered in the first 7 days.  Unfortunately we could not figure out how to attach a discount code to the kagi url and have the discount show on the first order page (it showed on the second,  but by then some users thought they were looking at the full price order form so it didnt work for our particular situation).  It was a shame as they were good until we bought in that discount system.  If there was a way to pass a discount coupon in a url,  and have the discounted price show on the order form we would swap back to them tomorrow.

If you already use Paypal,  look at the IPN settings in your profile (its easier to find in the class version IMO).  If you are averse to reading the 101 page document at Paypal,  you can just set it up initially to post to a url on your server and just set up an irev file to log anything posted to that url,  so when you get an order you can then pop onto the server and see what Paypal send you and work it from there.



From bvg at mac.com  Sun Jan  9 07:48:50 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 13:48:50 +0100
Subject: Bad text...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikvM=+WRUf6D4cA7waQDTFQ6203ptgBU+8ZHkiu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=EZfHnRDcMZJUPFdYs28J+NkOgLET4qR7-BkLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<90309134062.20110108170830@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTikvM=+WRUf6D4cA7waQDTFQ6203ptgBU+8ZHkiu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B0B36489-E42B-4FCE-BD47-E92390412F02@mac.com>

i can replicate this even when using normal handlers, but only as long as "sharedtext" is false (for example it does work correctly with the 'default' label fields of the ide). I filed a bug report:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=9286


--stacks script
on bText
  return the text of the target
end bText

on gText
  put the long id of the target into targetObject
  return the text of targetObject
end gText

send gtext to field 1 of card 1; put the result
send btext to field 1 of card 1; put the result


On 9 Jan 2011, at 10:51, David Bovill wrote:

> On 9 January 2011 01:08, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>>> getprop bad_Text
>>>>   return the text of the target
>>>> end bad_Text
>>>> 
>>>> getprop good_Text
>>>>   put the long id of the target into targetObject
>>>>   return the text of targetObject
>>>> end good_Text
>>>> 
>> 
>> I get the same results with either here. What are you seeing?
>> 
> 
> It's actually pretty annoying - or interesting depending what mood you are
> in :)
> 
> 
> Very basic:
> 
>   - Create a stack with 2 cards
>   - Create a field on the second card with the text "Hello World!"
>   - Set the stack script to:
> 
> getprop bad_Text
>>   return the text of the target
>> end bad_Text
>> 
>> getprop good_Text
>>   put the long id of the target into targetObject
>>   return the text of targetObject
>> end good_Text
> 
> 
> On the first card try "put the good_Text of fld 1 of cd 2", which works as
> expected, but  "put the bad_Text of fld 1 of cd 2" returns empty! It gets
> even more complicated if you try to get "the properties of fld 1 of cd 2" -
> where the "long id" trick no longer works.
> 
> This is a basic feature of the way "the target" works and not to do with
> using getprop / setprops. I'd call it a serious bug - as this is not how
> "the target" should work, even worse is that the simple line "get the
> properties of fld 2 of cd 1" returns the wrong result whichever way you
> construct it - the only way to get the real properties is a hack like the
> following:
> 
> put the properties of fld 1 of cd 2 into propArray
> put the htmltext of fld 1 of cd 2 into propArray ["htmlText"]
> 
> Though in real world scripts you need to check the target is a field, and
> add a similar hack for the "hilite"
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From bvg at mac.com  Sun Jan  9 08:14:35 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 14:14:35 +0100
Subject: RTF export
In-Reply-To: <4D29AC03.6040608@gmail.com>
References: <4D29AC03.6040608@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2DC85357-52D2-47B2-86B4-8079E3734F1F@mac.com>

The font is inherited from the stack or field (or group), and bot htmltext as well as rtftext ignore that. I would use a temporary field, set the text font to the effective text font, then get the rtftext of that field. you'll run into complications if the textfont is already set to different one within the field tho. You'd need to parse the htmltext in detail in such a case. I also added an enhancement request:

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=9287

--workaround that deletes existing textFont settings of chunks in the field
on mouseUp
   put the effective textfont of field 1 into theFont
   set the rtftext of field 2 to the rtftext of field 1
   set the textfont of char 1 to -1 of field 2 to theFont
   put the rtftext of field 2 into url ("binfile:" & "text.rtf")
end mouseUp

On 9 Jan 2011, at 13:37, Richmond wrote:

> Funnily enough when I export RTF documents
> the don't seem to retain a reference to the font
> they were originally written in (inside Livecode).
> 
> Help? Ideas? Richmond is being thick and missing
> something?
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan  9 09:32:50 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 14:32:50 +0000
Subject: cREVGeneral
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=D4qRO6T45k6Y0d2rYJzLGbFkUYEmeEJ2SO4sv@mail.gmail.com>

I'm stripping a few things out of the automagically created custom
properties before exporting stacks as text files. This is the handler I'm
using to strip:

command objectArray_CleanGeneral @customArray
>    delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["bookmarks"]
>    delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["handlerList"]
>    delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["scriptSelection"]
>    delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["prevHandler"]
>    delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["tempScript"]
>    delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["script"]
>    delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["scriptCheckSum"]
>
>    delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["breakpointconditions"]
>    delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["breakpoints"]
>    delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["breakpointstates"]
>    delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["stackfileversion"]
>
>    delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["scripteditorselection"]
>    delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["scripteditorvscroll"]
> end objectArray_CleanGeneral
>

Does anyone with further info about the innards of the Rev IDE know which
properties are safe to strip? The aim is to store everything you need to
safely recreate an exact copy of the stack, but not things that may change
from day to day that have no real significance, and get recreated easily by
the IDE.

Another, and in fact better way to do the same thing would be to intercept
the call to fetch the custom property or write to it and save the
information instead to a text file directly and not affect the stack. Again
I am not familiar enough with the way the IDE works (yet) to know if there
is a simple entry point (ACID handlers) that i can change - or if I need to
really go through every script to change how the data is fetched - any
ideas?


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan  9 09:37:12 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 14:37:12 +0000
Subject: cREVGeneral
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=D4qRO6T45k6Y0d2rYJzLGbFkUYEmeEJ2SO4sv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=D4qRO6T45k6Y0d2rYJzLGbFkUYEmeEJ2SO4sv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikZNA2q_Jgrqt6ZDz9=CHNC23tz110pELXnXA9u@mail.gmail.com>

For instance what if I get rid of "revUniqueID" - would this be recreated -
what is it used for?


From john at allijn.com  Sun Jan  9 09:39:26 2011
From: john at allijn.com (John Allijn)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 15:39:26 +0100
Subject: Connecting to a MySQL database at a hosting provider
In-Reply-To: <7A402A77-8760-488F-BB2D-98BF86AF0694@mac.com>
References: <9654B6A8-965E-479F-B175-BAB74BD9239D@allijn.com>
	<7A402A77-8760-488F-BB2D-98BF86AF0694@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B2DE8C09-B424-486F-B3A7-0A928649CBA3@allijn.com>

Hi Bjornke,

Thanks for your reply: Last few day i've been trying to get this work, but it's more of a web-development problem than a runrev one. 

I still can't get it to work, because I don't know how to setup my server-side. Still working on that one :(

Is there an example template for this that I could adapt? Or an easy tutorial? The problem is that when you start googling there is so much info that it is quite overwhelming..

thanks again!
john.




On Jan 7, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> normally you'd create a php (or other scripted server side language) interface that queries the sql backend, or makes updates to it. But instead of outputting formatted html, you simply output machine parse-able content, like a tab delimited list, or xml. Then you can access the data, just as you would if you'd go directly into the mysql, but via an url that queries your scripted output:
> 
> put url "http://yourServer.fake/showUser.php?user=blah&password=plainTextIsNotSecure"
> 
> On 7 Jan 2011, at 18:50, John Allijn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I' writing an iPad app. I want the app to get some shared data from a MySQL database. I've seen scripts for that and locally they all work great. 
>> However, I've got three websites, each with a different hosting provider, and they all have installed MySQL in such a way that you can only access the database from  within a webpage running at the hosting provider. For example with a PHP script.
>> 
>> I guess I'n not the first one who wants to pull data from a DB on the web :) 
>> 
>> Is there a way around that? like a special PHP script, or another kind of generally used interface that works as a server-side to my client-app?
>> 
>> The database itself is quite easy. just first/last name, email, a line of free format text and a date. I want to test if the user exists (is in the database), has paid his subscription (the date is an expiration date), and a system message specifically for that user (the free text field)
>> 
>> any suggestions????
>> 
>> best regards,
>> John.
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> official ChatRev page:
> http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
> 
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"
> 
> 
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From bvg at mac.com  Sun Jan  9 09:43:26 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 15:43:26 +0100
Subject: cREVGeneral
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=D4qRO6T45k6Y0d2rYJzLGbFkUYEmeEJ2SO4sv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=D4qRO6T45k6Y0d2rYJzLGbFkUYEmeEJ2SO4sv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <658F9929-E02E-4909-9D9B-00E6786479B1@mac.com>

As far as I know, most of these are for the script editor to be faster. Instead of parsing the script directly, it get's the handlerlist and prevhandler (for example) when you open a script the first time. I didn't know breakpoints are saved between quitting, but then i never use debuging anyway...

I doubt that you can intercept messages for these properties... unless the internal handling is happening in the backscript, then you could catch em in the frontscript? 


On 9 Jan 2011, at 15:32, David Bovill wrote:

> I'm stripping a few things out of the automagically created custom
> properties before exporting stacks as text files. This is the handler I'm
> using to strip:
> 
> command objectArray_CleanGeneral @customArray
>>   delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["bookmarks"]
>>   delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["handlerList"]
>>   delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["scriptSelection"]
>>   delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["prevHandler"]
>>   delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["tempScript"]
>>   delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["script"]
>>   delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["scriptCheckSum"]
>> 
>>   delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["breakpointconditions"]
>>   delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["breakpoints"]
>>   delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["breakpointstates"]
>>   delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["stackfileversion"]
>> 
>>   delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["scripteditorselection"]
>>   delete local customArray ["cREVGeneral"]["scripteditorvscroll"]
>> end objectArray_CleanGeneral
>> 
> 
> Does anyone with further info about the innards of the Rev IDE know which
> properties are safe to strip? The aim is to store everything you need to
> safely recreate an exact copy of the stack, but not things that may change
> from day to day that have no real significance, and get recreated easily by
> the IDE.
> 
> Another, and in fact better way to do the same thing would be to intercept
> the call to fetch the custom property or write to it and save the
> information instead to a text file directly and not affect the stack. Again
> I am not familiar enough with the way the IDE works (yet) to know if there
> is a simple entry point (ACID handlers) that i can change - or if I need to
> really go through every script to change how the data is fetched - any
> ideas?
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan  9 10:06:42 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 15:06:42 +0000
Subject: cREVGeneral
In-Reply-To: <658F9929-E02E-4909-9D9B-00E6786479B1@mac.com>
References: <AANLkTi=D4qRO6T45k6Y0d2rYJzLGbFkUYEmeEJ2SO4sv@mail.gmail.com>
	<658F9929-E02E-4909-9D9B-00E6786479B1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik-3XnbM-tBOu6nT5xQimpHppbfT8nw13Eg1dQ0@mail.gmail.com>

2011/1/9 Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com>

> I doubt that you can intercept messages for these properties... unless the
> internal handling is happening in the backscript, then you could catch em in
> the frontscript?
>

Yes - that's what I would do - use a front script to redirect calls to
cRevGeneral to the same data but stored externally as a text file - seems a
better way to do things, and as I've done the work providing a place for
these files with the text export option - I can just but this data in the
objects metadata folder?


From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 10:11:08 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:11:08 +0100
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
Message-ID: <AANLkTinso5ENjWBXAGJ+GckZ1RCX9_4OsM7gfycyqsgd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there all,

I am experimenting a little with lauch on my Mac:
on mouseup
launch "/Applications/Photo Booth.app"
end mouseup

How do I get the icon from PhotoBooth into my Button?
Any idea's are welcome.

P.S. I am looking for the same thing on Windows

greetings,

William



From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Jan  9 10:30:37 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:30:37 -0500
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinso5ENjWBXAGJ+GckZ1RCX9_4OsM7gfycyqsgd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinso5ENjWBXAGJ+GckZ1RCX9_4OsM7gfycyqsgd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BBC5762B-666F-437D-9CD7-3D83A360492D@verizon.net>


On Jan 9, 2011, at 10:11 AM, William de Smet wrote:

> How do I get the icon from PhotoBooth into my Button?
> Any idea's are welcome.


I don't know about Windows, but on OSX you can do this:

Get Info on Photo Booth, click on the icon, and do a Copy.

Open Preview, and do New from Clipboard.

That will show you the various sizes, one of which is 32x32. Show that one, select into it (so that you're not selecting pages), and do a Select All, Copy.

In LC, do a paste. You can now set the icon of your button to that image, by choosing icon/image library/this stack in the Icon & Border properties.

One small issue is that if you delete the pasted graphic, the button's icon goes blank. That might mean that you have to keep the image stashed on a card somewhere.


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  9 10:38:31 2011
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 07:38:31 -0800
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinso5ENjWBXAGJ+GckZ1RCX9_4OsM7gfycyqsgd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinso5ENjWBXAGJ+GckZ1RCX9_4OsM7gfycyqsgd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <713E3057-BD82-4D7B-A749-9A759698735D@yahoo.com>

For Mac it is easy.

In the Finder, navigate to the folder containing "PhotoBooth"
or do a spotlight for "PhotoBooth"

then click once on the app file,
the do QuickLook to get a very large icon

then do the good ol'  cmd-cntrl-sh-4
to drag a rectangle and put a copy of the screen on the clipboard.

(don't know windows well enough).

On Jan 9, 2011, at 7:11 AM, William de Smet wrote:

> Hi there all,
>
> I am experimenting a little with lauch on my Mac:
> on mouseup
> launch "/Applications/Photo Booth.app"
> end mouseup
>
> How do I get the icon from PhotoBooth into my Button?
> Any idea's are welcome.
>
> P.S. I am looking for the same thing on Windows
>

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 10:41:32 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:41:32 +0100
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <BBC5762B-666F-437D-9CD7-3D83A360492D@verizon.net>
References: <AANLkTinso5ENjWBXAGJ+GckZ1RCX9_4OsM7gfycyqsgd@mail.gmail.com>
	<BBC5762B-666F-437D-9CD7-3D83A360492D@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <51CF3341-A046-4A16-A15F-E65B8F804B5A@gmail.com>

Thanks Colin but that's not what I meant. I know you can do this but I want LC to do it :-). PhotoBooth is just my example but it needs to be any app.
Anyone else?

Greetings,

William



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Op 9 jan. 2011 om 16:30 heeft Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> het volgende geschreven:

> 
> On Jan 9, 2011, at 10:11 AM, William de Smet wrote:
> 
>> How do I get the icon from PhotoBooth into my Button?
>> Any idea's are welcome.
> 
> 
> I don't know about Windows, but on OSX you can do this:
> 
> Get Info on Photo Booth, click on the icon, and do a Copy.
> 
> Open Preview, and do New from Clipboard.
> 
> That will show you the various sizes, one of which is 32x32. Show that one, select into it (so that you're not selecting pages), and do a Select All, Copy.
> 
> In LC, do a paste. You can now set the icon of your button to that image, by choosing icon/image library/this stack in the Icon & Border properties.
> 
> One small issue is that if you delete the pasted graphic, the button's icon goes blank. That might mean that you have to keep the image stashed on a card somewhere.
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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 10:43:08 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:43:08 +0100
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <713E3057-BD82-4D7B-A749-9A759698735D@yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTinso5ENjWBXAGJ+GckZ1RCX9_4OsM7gfycyqsgd@mail.gmail.com>
	<713E3057-BD82-4D7B-A749-9A759698735D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AAD5C215-FE6C-4FA4-8843-0332E2DF7976@gmail.com>

Thanks Jim, please read my answer I just gave to Colin.

Greetings,

William

-----
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone!

Op 9 jan. 2011 om 16:38 heeft Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com> het volgende geschreven:

> For Mac it is easy.
> 
> In the Finder, navigate to the folder containing "PhotoBooth"
> or do a spotlight for "PhotoBooth"
> 
> then click once on the app file,
> the do QuickLook to get a very large icon
> 
> then do the good ol'  cmd-cntrl-sh-4
> to drag a rectangle and put a copy of the screen on the clipboard.
> 
> (don't know windows well enough).
> 
> On Jan 9, 2011, at 7:11 AM, William de Smet wrote:
> 
>> Hi there all,
>> 
>> I am experimenting a little with lauch on my Mac:
>> on mouseup
>> launch "/Applications/Photo Booth.app"
>> end mouseup
>> 
>> How do I get the icon from PhotoBooth into my Button?
>> Any idea's are welcome.
>> 
>> P.S. I am looking for the same thing on Windows
>> 
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> 
> 
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From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Jan  9 10:45:26 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:45:26 -0500
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <713E3057-BD82-4D7B-A749-9A759698735D@yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTinso5ENjWBXAGJ+GckZ1RCX9_4OsM7gfycyqsgd@mail.gmail.com>
	<713E3057-BD82-4D7B-A749-9A759698735D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49D9F6E5-F5D4-4EFB-AAC7-C1D3537C9FDA@verizon.net>

I didn't see an answer from William yet, but hopefully Jim read my steps, which give a much better looking icon.





From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 10:53:48 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 08:53:48 -0700
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <49D9F6E5-F5D4-4EFB-AAC7-C1D3537C9FDA@verizon.net>
References: <AANLkTinso5ENjWBXAGJ+GckZ1RCX9_4OsM7gfycyqsgd@mail.gmail.com>
	<713E3057-BD82-4D7B-A749-9A759698735D@yahoo.com>
	<49D9F6E5-F5D4-4EFB-AAC7-C1D3537C9FDA@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin_S+pLpb-QqpsgvP=m4O07U7_zXgV-V_rj9rCm@mail.gmail.com>

On os x, since the .app is a package folder, why not open it up and look for
the .icns files?  Then import them directly, or if theres more than 1, pop
up a dialog to choose.  Should be inside the package in contents/resources

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> I didn't see an answer from William yet, but hopefully Jim read my steps,
> which give a much better looking icon.
>
>
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 10:59:09 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 08:59:09 -0700
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin_S+pLpb-QqpsgvP=m4O07U7_zXgV-V_rj9rCm@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinso5ENjWBXAGJ+GckZ1RCX9_4OsM7gfycyqsgd@mail.gmail.com>
	<713E3057-BD82-4D7B-A749-9A759698735D@yahoo.com>
	<49D9F6E5-F5D4-4EFB-AAC7-C1D3537C9FDA@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTin_S+pLpb-QqpsgvP=m4O07U7_zXgV-V_rj9rCm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=yiN9_MAUR39q-4=d6hq+Fw1f2+xAtiAvSgv9O@mail.gmail.com>

For windows, I haven't tried it, but this little utility supports command
line functionality, so you could shell it out and have it grab all the icons
in the .exe  Again, haven't tried it, so do your due diligence, but might be
an ok solution.  Of course if this is for distribution/sale, would have to
find something in the public domain, or get permission to include it in the
distribution.

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> On os x, since the .app is a package folder, why not open it up and look
> for the .icns files?  Then import them directly, or if theres more than 1,
> pop up a dialog to choose.  Should be inside the package in
> contents/resources
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> I didn't see an answer from William yet, but hopefully Jim read my steps,
>> which give a much better looking icon.
>>
>>
>>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 11:05:48 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 09:05:48 -0700
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=yiN9_MAUR39q-4=d6hq+Fw1f2+xAtiAvSgv9O@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinso5ENjWBXAGJ+GckZ1RCX9_4OsM7gfycyqsgd@mail.gmail.com>
	<713E3057-BD82-4D7B-A749-9A759698735D@yahoo.com>
	<49D9F6E5-F5D4-4EFB-AAC7-C1D3537C9FDA@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTin_S+pLpb-QqpsgvP=m4O07U7_zXgV-V_rj9rCm@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=yiN9_MAUR39q-4=d6hq+Fw1f2+xAtiAvSgv9O@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimPEDBf2GWrfsmp7KhHW4-5kXEp+E7GiK1PCsLW@mail.gmail.com>

maybe I should actually put the link it.
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/iconsext.html Yeah, thats better.

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> For windows, I haven't tried it, but this little utility supports command
> line functionality, so you could shell it out and have it grab all the icons
> in the .exe  Again, haven't tried it, so do your due diligence, but might be
> an ok solution.  Of course if this is for distribution/sale, would have to
> find something in the public domain, or get permission to include it in the
> distribution.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On os x, since the .app is a package folder, why not open it up and look
>> for the .icns files?  Then import them directly, or if theres more than 1,
>> pop up a dialog to choose.  Should be inside the package in
>> contents/resources
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't see an answer from William yet, but hopefully Jim read my steps,
>>> which give a much better looking icon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Jan  9 11:16:44 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:16:44 +0100
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimPEDBf2GWrfsmp7KhHW4-5kXEp+E7GiK1PCsLW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinso5ENjWBXAGJ+GckZ1RCX9_4OsM7gfycyqsgd@mail.gmail.com>
	<713E3057-BD82-4D7B-A749-9A759698735D@yahoo.com>
	<49D9F6E5-F5D4-4EFB-AAC7-C1D3537C9FDA@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTin_S+pLpb-QqpsgvP=m4O07U7_zXgV-V_rj9rCm@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=yiN9_MAUR39q-4=d6hq+Fw1f2+xAtiAvSgv9O@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimPEDBf2GWrfsmp7KhHW4-5kXEp+E7GiK1PCsLW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <778B302D-88EB-432E-8AA6-89ECB02C8B34@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Mike,

> maybe I should actually put the link it.
> http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/iconsext.html Yeah, thats better.

yep, excellent idea! :-D

But how do you get the resulting ICO file into LiveCode?
Or did I overlook something?


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Jan  9 11:22:22 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:22:22 -0500
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimPEDBf2GWrfsmp7KhHW4-5kXEp+E7GiK1PCsLW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinso5ENjWBXAGJ+GckZ1RCX9_4OsM7gfycyqsgd@mail.gmail.com>
	<713E3057-BD82-4D7B-A749-9A759698735D@yahoo.com>
	<49D9F6E5-F5D4-4EFB-AAC7-C1D3537C9FDA@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTin_S+pLpb-QqpsgvP=m4O07U7_zXgV-V_rj9rCm@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=yiN9_MAUR39q-4=d6hq+Fw1f2+xAtiAvSgv9O@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimPEDBf2GWrfsmp7KhHW4-5kXEp+E7GiK1PCsLW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6EF1A2FC-85BB-402C-B280-378D6D18123B@verizon.net>

I think I see the problem now. There are lots of ways to get the icon manually, or with utilities, but suppose you're making a Dock utility for the user, and want them to pick any application to assign to a button, you would want LC to get the icon on the fly.

Photo Booth's icons are stored in the file PhotoBooth.icns. Mail's is stored in app.icns. Photoshop has its ones in PS_AppIcons.icns. So it may end up being tricky to know what the icon file is called. You could look at all of the files in the resources folder, and see which ones are icns. If there's only one then that would be the right file.

I'm not sure though how you would then extract the 32x32 icon from the set of images in the icns file.





From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 11:40:26 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 09:40:26 -0700
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <6EF1A2FC-85BB-402C-B280-378D6D18123B@verizon.net>
References: <AANLkTinso5ENjWBXAGJ+GckZ1RCX9_4OsM7gfycyqsgd@mail.gmail.com>
	<713E3057-BD82-4D7B-A749-9A759698735D@yahoo.com>
	<49D9F6E5-F5D4-4EFB-AAC7-C1D3537C9FDA@verizon.net>
	<AANLkTin_S+pLpb-QqpsgvP=m4O07U7_zXgV-V_rj9rCm@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=yiN9_MAUR39q-4=d6hq+Fw1f2+xAtiAvSgv9O@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimPEDBf2GWrfsmp7KhHW4-5kXEp+E7GiK1PCsLW@mail.gmail.com>
	<6EF1A2FC-85BB-402C-B280-378D6D18123B@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=XuO3z2OVU1xBRsWoY3KcS=xsbaeMQv991ezb=@mail.gmail.com>

To get the icon is a 2 stage process. Do a shell call, designate a temporary
folder to put the extracted icons. Step 2 import them.

It puts all extracted icons into a designated folder.
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> I think I see the problem now. There are lots of ways to get the icon
> manually, or with utilities, but suppose you're making a Dock utility for
> the user, and want them to pick any application to assign to a button, you
> would want LC to get the icon on the fly.
>
> Photo Booth's icons are stored in the file PhotoBooth.icns. Mail's is
> stored in app.icns. Photoshop has its ones in PS_AppIcons.icns. So it may
> end up being tricky to know what the icon file is called. You could look at
> all of the files in the resources folder, and see which ones are icns. If
> there's only one then that would be the right file.
>
> I'm not sure though how you would then extract the 32x32 icon from the set
> of images in the icns file.
>
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan  9 11:53:52 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 08:53:52 -0800
Subject: cREVGeneral
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=D4qRO6T45k6Y0d2rYJzLGbFkUYEmeEJ2SO4sv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=D4qRO6T45k6Y0d2rYJzLGbFkUYEmeEJ2SO4sv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6365859687.20110109085352@ahsoftware.net>

David-

Sunday, January 9, 2011, 6:32:50 AM, you wrote:

> Does anyone with further info about the innards of the Rev IDE know which
> properties are safe to strip? The aim is to store everything you need to
> safely recreate an exact copy of the stack, but not things that may change
> from day to day that have no real significance, and get recreated easily by
> the IDE.

I wouldn't bother with cREVGeneral at all. The IDE will generate
and/or overwrite values there at will. The only thing I'd consider is
whether revOnline stores the stack fingerprint in there. I can't
remember off the top of my head where that gets stored.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan  9 12:06:05 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 09:06:05 -0800
Subject: Bad text...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikvM=+WRUf6D4cA7waQDTFQ6203ptgBU+8ZHkiu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=EZfHnRDcMZJUPFdYs28J+NkOgLET4qR7-BkLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<90309134062.20110108170830@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTikvM=+WRUf6D4cA7waQDTFQ6203ptgBU+8ZHkiu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <135366592437.20110109090605@ahsoftware.net>

David-

Sunday, January 9, 2011, 1:51:15 AM, you wrote:

> On the first card try "put the good_Text of fld 1 of cd 2", which works as
> expected, but  "put the bad_Text of fld 1 of cd 2" returns empty! It gets
> even more complicated if you try to get "the properties of fld 1 of cd 2" -
> where the "long id" trick no longer works.

Good one. I tried various combinations of the above, even with
behaviors, and got tood results, but I hadn't tried cross-card
invocations. Looks like the expression parser is failing.
Interestingly, this *does* work:

getprop bad_Text
    return the text of (the long id of the target)
end bad_Text

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From iowahengst at mac.com  Sun Jan  9 12:14:39 2011
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:14:39 -0600
Subject: iOS App Accepted
Message-ID: <D8F1C009-22D1-4F50-9E9B-4ADFF63BCD6A@mac.com>

Hi All,

I just had my second app accepted by Apple.... this one for iPad only... Baseball Math.... hey it sold six copies on the first day! 

http://itunes.apple.com/app/baseballmath/id412763742?mt=8

FYI.... This app was initially rejected because I neglected to have it rotate.... that was my fault... as has been noted previously on our lists (and in Apple docs), Apple wants iPad apps to rotate all four directions. They'll accept just two if that really fits the apps design. My next iPad app will be only landscape... so, we'll see how that goes.

take care,
randy hengst



From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Jan  9 12:22:21 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 12:22:21 -0500
Subject: iOS App Accepted
In-Reply-To: <D8F1C009-22D1-4F50-9E9B-4ADFF63BCD6A@mac.com>
References: <D8F1C009-22D1-4F50-9E9B-4ADFF63BCD6A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C8CF73D4-2224-4126-99CA-1E18380AFD65@verizon.net>


On Jan 9, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Randy Hengst wrote:

> FYI.... This app was initially rejected because I neglected to have it rotate.... that was my fault... as has been noted previously on our lists (and in Apple docs), Apple wants iPad apps to rotate all four directions. They'll accept just two if that really fits the apps design. My next iPad app will be only landscape... so, we'll see how that goes.

I've had a Flash landscape app accepted, that just rotated to the two landscapes. The splash screen only showed in one orientation, but fortunately that didn't bother them.

Can you say how you managed to test as iPad? When I try I get an iPhone sized version in the middle of the iPad simulator.





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jan  9 12:25:31 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 09:25:31 -0800
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
Message-ID: <4D29EF8B.1030708@fourthworld.com>

Mike Bonner wrote:
> To get the icon is a 2 stage process. Do a shell call, designate a temporary
> folder to put the extracted icons. Step 2 import them.

How does one translate the icns data to a format LC understands?

Maybe this would make a good library, with functions to extract the 
image data from icns and ico files (on Linux not needed since they 
wisely use PNGs) for use in LC image objects.

What is the format for an individual image in an icns file, and how are 
the boundaries defined?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From iowahengst at mac.com  Sun Jan  9 12:37:09 2011
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:37:09 -0600
Subject: iOS App Accepted
In-Reply-To: <C8CF73D4-2224-4126-99CA-1E18380AFD65@verizon.net>
References: <D8F1C009-22D1-4F50-9E9B-4ADFF63BCD6A@mac.com>
	<C8CF73D4-2224-4126-99CA-1E18380AFD65@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <10067255-FE41-49BB-9ADF-816055C8482B@mac.com>

Hi Colin,

I'm using LC 4.5.3 (rc3 and rc4).... Under the Development Menu --> Simulator Version --> then select the Device before you go to the simulator...

Also make sure iPad is selected in the Applications Settings.

Glad to hear about the landscape only being approved.

take care,
randy
-----
On Jan 9, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> 
> On Jan 9, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Randy Hengst wrote:
> 
>> FYI.... This app was initially rejected because I neglected to have it rotate.... that was my fault... as has been noted previously on our lists (and in Apple docs), Apple wants iPad apps to rotate all four directions. They'll accept just two if that really fits the apps design. My next iPad app will be only landscape... so, we'll see how that goes.
> 
> I've had a Flash landscape app accepted, that just rotated to the two landscapes. The splash screen only showed in one orientation, but fortunately that didn't bother them.
> 
> Can you say how you managed to test as iPad? When I try I get an iPhone sized version in the middle of the iPad simulator.
> 
> 
> 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 12:45:27 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:45:27 -0700
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinXmbjKUaN_3d_M2FJ=r2wTtyqdK72VhWS3Nje_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D29EF8B.1030708@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTik8aaoQ8ipo94YHk=uadtkVVNHHrv_14E2pZvsP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinXmbjKUaN_3d_M2FJ=r2wTtyqdK72VhWS3Nje_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimsmhkvxpuZKQsd0-yintSOS0G9TrqxrfWqKoz=@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm. Even after cleanup, am getting messages that my emails are too big.
What gives?

Shortened so that maybe i won't get a bounce.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Icon_Image_format is the source.

This is beyond me(and I no longer own a mac), but am I correct in assuming,
> the first 8 bytes (header) can be ignored, then the next chunk is an icon
> type, and length of the data for that icon, plus the header and size info
> itself, so it pretty much defines its own boundaries.  Would it be as simple
> as reading 8 bytes, last 4 bytes are the length, subtract 8 (for header and
> length tag) then read the difference?  Marking one icon complete, rinse and
> repeat till EOF?
>


From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sun Jan  9 12:49:23 2011
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 09:49:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How To "Get" Properties in iOS?
In-Reply-To: <C94EAB9D.4FEF0%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94EAB9D.4FEF0%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <1294595363058-3206135.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Scott,

I made a command in the card script, where my scroller is initialized and
the sScrollerId is a script local variable:

--------------
on doGetProp pProp
   iphoneControlGet sScrollerId, pProp
   return the result
end doGetProp
----------------------

which I call from a field on that card to set a custom property oldScroll of
the card

------------------
doGetProp "vScroll"
set the oldScroll of this card to the result
--------------------
This works for me (4.5.3 RC 3)

Kind regards

Bernd
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From rjb at robelko.com  Sat Jan  8 20:57:31 2011
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 02:57:31 +0100
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <EE11A22A-2A01-4BB2-8AB5-A537BEE330FB@mac.com>
References: <C94E23DB.4FEBE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<EE11A22A-2A01-4BB2-8AB5-A537BEE330FB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080bc94ec5e21cb5@[192.168.1.94]>

On 08.01.11 at 17:26 -0800 Bill Vlahos apparently wrote:
>I use Kagi. They were very helpful with the entire process.
>
>Bill Vlahos

I used Kagi on a couple ocassions. Their tech support crew is quite 
good and helpful. Unfortunately, the same can't be said about 
accounting people.

Robert



From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Jan  9 12:53:32 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 12:53:32 -0500
Subject: iOS App Accepted
In-Reply-To: <10067255-FE41-49BB-9ADF-816055C8482B@mac.com>
References: <D8F1C009-22D1-4F50-9E9B-4ADFF63BCD6A@mac.com>
	<C8CF73D4-2224-4126-99CA-1E18380AFD65@verizon.net>
	<10067255-FE41-49BB-9ADF-816055C8482B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <561C7438-8C38-4125-AC82-9CB2C4371A34@verizon.net>


On Jan 9, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Randy Hengst wrote:

> 
> I'm using LC 4.5.3 (rc3 and rc4).... Under the Development Menu --> Simulator Version --> then select the Device before you go to the simulator...
> 
> Also make sure iPad is selected in the Applications Settings.


That doesn't seem to help. If I choose iPod/iPhone/iPad, or just iPad, I get the iPad simulator with a little iPhone app running. I also get a crash every couple of times I try, but then I'm on 4.5.2.





From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 13:03:15 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:03:15 -0700
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimsmhkvxpuZKQsd0-yintSOS0G9TrqxrfWqKoz=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D29EF8B.1030708@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTik8aaoQ8ipo94YHk=uadtkVVNHHrv_14E2pZvsP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinXmbjKUaN_3d_M2FJ=r2wTtyqdK72VhWS3Nje_@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsmhkvxpuZKQsd0-yintSOS0G9TrqxrfWqKoz=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimrJ9czSX6dmaK=Hx2eBe9qvL4GUPSZycp5mmia@mail.gmail.com>

If only a conversion to png is needed, apparently sips will do that.

sips -s format png Dictionary.icns --out ~/Desktop/Dictionary_icon.png


From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Jan  9 13:17:50 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 13:17:50 -0500
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimrJ9czSX6dmaK=Hx2eBe9qvL4GUPSZycp5mmia@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D29EF8B.1030708@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTik8aaoQ8ipo94YHk=uadtkVVNHHrv_14E2pZvsP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinXmbjKUaN_3d_M2FJ=r2wTtyqdK72VhWS3Nje_@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsmhkvxpuZKQsd0-yintSOS0G9TrqxrfWqKoz=@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimrJ9czSX6dmaK=Hx2eBe9qvL4GUPSZycp5mmia@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <386F14DD-0E3D-4187-BF03-CF01528CAD77@verizon.net>


On Jan 9, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

> 
> sips -s format png Dictionary.icns --out ~/Desktop/Dictionary_icon.png

That just extracts the 512x512 image. How would you get the 32x32 one?





From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Jan  9 13:28:21 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 19:28:21 +0100
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <386F14DD-0E3D-4187-BF03-CF01528CAD77@verizon.net>
References: <4D29EF8B.1030708@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTik8aaoQ8ipo94YHk=uadtkVVNHHrv_14E2pZvsP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinXmbjKUaN_3d_M2FJ=r2wTtyqdK72VhWS3Nje_@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsmhkvxpuZKQsd0-yintSOS0G9TrqxrfWqKoz=@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimrJ9czSX6dmaK=Hx2eBe9qvL4GUPSZycp5mmia@mail.gmail.com>
	<386F14DD-0E3D-4187-BF03-CF01528CAD77@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C9FBFE7B-BE7B-44DA-91A9-CC5FBB4E05D4@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Mike and Colin,

Am 09.01.2011 um 19:17 schrieb Colin Holgate:

> On Jan 9, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
>> sips -s format png Dictionary.icns --out ~/Desktop/Dictionary_icon.png

great, I was not sure if SIPS supports ICNS as input format, thanks!

> That just extracts the 512x512 image. How would you get the 32x32 one?

Hm, what about scaling in LiveCode? ;-)


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Jan  9 13:32:37 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 13:32:37 -0500
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <C9FBFE7B-BE7B-44DA-91A9-CC5FBB4E05D4@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4D29EF8B.1030708@fourthworld.com>
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	<AANLkTinXmbjKUaN_3d_M2FJ=r2wTtyqdK72VhWS3Nje_@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsmhkvxpuZKQsd0-yintSOS0G9TrqxrfWqKoz=@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimrJ9czSX6dmaK=Hx2eBe9qvL4GUPSZycp5mmia@mail.gmail.com>
	<386F14DD-0E3D-4187-BF03-CF01528CAD77@verizon.net>
	<C9FBFE7B-BE7B-44DA-91A9-CC5FBB4E05D4@major.on-rev.com>
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On Jan 9, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

>> That just extracts the 512x512 image. How would you get the 32x32 one?
> 
> Hm, what about scaling in LiveCode? ;-)

Of course that would work, though you might have to create a bitmap for it to map to an icon. The real 32x32 would just be better, as it has a correct sized shadow and alpha channel.

There may be yet another problem, once you have an image to use, can you make it be the icon of a button using code? Perhaps the solution will need to be that you have a non-icon button sat behind an image.





From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Jan  9 13:38:03 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:38:03 -0800
Subject: iOS App Accepted
In-Reply-To: <D8F1C009-22D1-4F50-9E9B-4ADFF63BCD6A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C94F408B.4FF39%scott@tactilemedia.com>

That's great Randy, you're on a roll.

Rotating iPad in 2 directions is fine, people two that all the time (I have
-- landscape only), and FWIW, I've seen plenty lately that only rotate in
one -- somehow they get through.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, Randy Hengst wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I just had my second app accepted by Apple.... this one for iPad only...
> Baseball Math.... hey it sold six copies on the first day!
> 
> http://itunes.apple.com/app/baseballmath/id412763742?mt=8
> 
> FYI.... This app was initially rejected because I neglected to have it
> rotate.... that was my fault... as has been noted previously on our lists (and
> in Apple docs), Apple wants iPad apps to rotate all four directions. They'll
> accept just two if that really fits the apps design. My next iPad app will be
> only landscape... so, we'll see how that goes.
> 
> take care,
> randy hengst





From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 13:40:31 2011
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:40:31 -0600
Subject: List Field Problem
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-w6DE7D8C29220F2768B6FDED0D0@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTi=VApG=mpZvv=mRmFz77g1djkYD17uMHCdCtCtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY152-w30C70DC59031FE67E0C4FDED0D0@phx.gbl>
	<BAY152-w6DE7D8C29220F2768B6FDED0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=QN1tm9MLkKHne4zQGvMEfOevy9tWcAtHshqvB@mail.gmail.com>

John,

Thanks for your help.  Your solution worked perfectly!

...much appreciated!!!!

Warren

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 1:54 AM, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
>
>  In the script of the list field...
>
> set the hilitedLines of me to word 2 of the clickLine
>
> and I forgot to say uncheck autohilite in the property inspector of the
> list field...
>
> > > I created a scrolling list field with 6 choices.  The list field is
> larger
> > > then the 6 choices I have included as more can be added by the user.
>  When I
> > > click in the empty space below the 6 choices, it will either hilite the
> > > first line or my last line that I selected.  This happens even after I
> set
> > > the hilitedlines of field "field1" to empty.
> > >
> > > Is there anyway to only hilite a line in a list field if I specifically
> > > select the line?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help!
> > > Warren
>
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 13:42:41 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:42:41 -0700
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <D3115533-EF1A-4786-8ADF-3F7D5FB37CE4@verizon.net>
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	<AANLkTinXmbjKUaN_3d_M2FJ=r2wTtyqdK72VhWS3Nje_@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsmhkvxpuZKQsd0-yintSOS0G9TrqxrfWqKoz=@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimrJ9czSX6dmaK=Hx2eBe9qvL4GUPSZycp5mmia@mail.gmail.com>
	<386F14DD-0E3D-4187-BF03-CF01528CAD77@verizon.net>
	<C9FBFE7B-BE7B-44DA-91A9-CC5FBB4E05D4@major.on-rev.com>
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Yeah, its not documented, but sips will convert.

And on the direct grab of data from the icns file, if one were to do as
suggested and break the file down into it's integral chunks (as defined by
the internal header structures)  at that point the image data is just that
right?  Image data that can be used as one wishes?

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> On Jan 9, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
>
> >> That just extracts the 512x512 image. How would you get the 32x32 one?
> >
> > Hm, what about scaling in LiveCode? ;-)
>
> Of course that would work, though you might have to create a bitmap for it
> to map to an icon. The real 32x32 would just be better, as it has a correct
> sized shadow and alpha channel.
>
> There may be yet another problem, once you have an image to use, can you
> make it be the icon of a button using code? Perhaps the solution will need
> to be that you have a non-icon button sat behind an image.
>
>
>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Jan  9 13:43:58 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 13:43:58 -0500
Subject: iOS App Accepted
In-Reply-To: <C94F408B.4FF39%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94F408B.4FF39%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <23CE076D-57CF-4F39-9B01-9C1F3150DDD5@verizon.net>


On Jan 9, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> ve seen plenty lately that only rotate in
> one -- somehow they get through.

So, technically speaking, do they rotate at all?





From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Jan  9 13:53:07 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:53:07 -0800
Subject: How To "Get" Properties in iOS?
In-Reply-To: <1294595363058-3206135.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C94F4413.4FF3C%scott@tactilemedia.com>

> on doGetProp pProp
>    iphoneControlGet sScrollerId, pProp
>    return the result
> end doGetProp

Thanks Bernd.  I'll try again (need to do exactly what you are doing) but I
wasn't getting any result.

Also, do you have any suggestions for handling the clicking of items in a
scroller group?  I've spent hours trying to work out the "proper" method,
and while I have something working with mouseDown, the selection of an item
seems unreliable unless the click "lingers" for some millisecs -- a quick
touch goes undetected by the group.

(Scroll performance of the group is also not so great but I can live with
that.)

What is the correct way to set up item selection in a scrolling group using
the iOS scroller?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


Recently, BNig wrote:

> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I made a command in the card script, where my scroller is initialized and
> the sScrollerId is a script local variable:
> 
> --------------
> on doGetProp pProp
>    iphoneControlGet sScrollerId, pProp
>    return the result
> end doGetProp
> ----------------------
> 
> which I call from a field on that card to set a custom property oldScroll of
> the card
> 
> ------------------
> doGetProp "vScroll"
> set the oldScroll of this card to the result
> --------------------
> This works for me (4.5.3 RC 3)
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Bernd







From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Jan  9 13:54:40 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:54:40 -0800
Subject: iOS App Accepted
In-Reply-To: <23CE076D-57CF-4F39-9B01-9C1F3150DDD5@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C94F4470.4FF41%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Colin Holgate wrote:

>> ve seen plenty lately that only rotate in
>> one -- somehow they get through.
> 
> So, technically speaking, do they rotate at all?

Sure -- in your hands.  It's manual rotation.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Jan  9 13:58:36 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 13:58:36 -0500
Subject: iOS App Accepted
In-Reply-To: <C94F4470.4FF41%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94F4470.4FF41%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <BB652A54-172A-4E8F-8C81-5240B48773E7@verizon.net>


On Jan 9, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Sure -- in your hands.  It's manual rotation.

I just lean.





From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sun Jan  9 14:00:47 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:00:47 -0800
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <9126FD2E-F633-46C1-8876-6C33BB0CC540@me.com>
References: <9126FD2E-F633-46C1-8876-6C33BB0CC540@me.com>
Message-ID: <4D2A05DF.9060005@comcast.net>

In my search for order processing services, I came across a php script 
for use with PayPal. I didn't look too deep (don't know php), but for 
those interested you might take a peak:

<http://www.maxprog.com/site/scripts/paypal_ipn/index.html>

They have a free "lite" version and "Pro" version for $10. I don't know 
if/how they deal with registration codes.

FWIW,

Marty Knapp



From th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com  Sun Jan  9 14:12:39 2011
From: th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com (Thierry)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:12:39 +0100
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <386F14DD-0E3D-4187-BF03-CF01528CAD77@verizon.net>
References: <4D29EF8B.1030708@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTik8aaoQ8ipo94YHk=uadtkVVNHHrv_14E2pZvsP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinXmbjKUaN_3d_M2FJ=r2wTtyqdK72VhWS3Nje_@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsmhkvxpuZKQsd0-yintSOS0G9TrqxrfWqKoz=@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimrJ9czSX6dmaK=Hx2eBe9qvL4GUPSZycp5mmia@mail.gmail.com>
	<386F14DD-0E3D-4187-BF03-CF01528CAD77@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4518D5BC-D4A6-4917-BEE5-828F1029C4CE@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 9 janv. 2011 ? 19:17, Colin Holgate a ?crit :

> 
> On Jan 9, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
> 
>> 
>> sips -s format png Dictionary.icns --out ~/Desktop/Dictionary_icon.png
> 
> That just extracts the 512x512 image. How would you get the 32x32 one?

sips -s format png -z 32 32 x.icns -...

You should be happy :)

Thierry





From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Jan  9 14:16:22 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 14:16:22 -0500
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <4518D5BC-D4A6-4917-BEE5-828F1029C4CE@sunnyrevtalk.com>
References: <4D29EF8B.1030708@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTik8aaoQ8ipo94YHk=uadtkVVNHHrv_14E2pZvsP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinXmbjKUaN_3d_M2FJ=r2wTtyqdK72VhWS3Nje_@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsmhkvxpuZKQsd0-yintSOS0G9TrqxrfWqKoz=@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimrJ9czSX6dmaK=Hx2eBe9qvL4GUPSZycp5mmia@mail.gmail.com>
	<386F14DD-0E3D-4187-BF03-CF01528CAD77@verizon.net>
	<4518D5BC-D4A6-4917-BEE5-828F1029C4CE@sunnyrevtalk.com>
Message-ID: <54AFE4D7-5E8D-49E0-92C9-D849D5B9B0C3@verizon.net>


On Jan 9, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Thierry wrote:

> sips -s format png -z 32 32 x.icns -...
> 
> You should be happy :)


I'm generally a happy person, but if I wasn't, that would have done it!





From bvg at mac.com  Sun Jan  9 14:28:02 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 20:28:02 +0100
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <D3115533-EF1A-4786-8ADF-3F7D5FB37CE4@verizon.net>
References: <4D29EF8B.1030708@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTik8aaoQ8ipo94YHk=uadtkVVNHHrv_14E2pZvsP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinXmbjKUaN_3d_M2FJ=r2wTtyqdK72VhWS3Nje_@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsmhkvxpuZKQsd0-yintSOS0G9TrqxrfWqKoz=@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimrJ9czSX6dmaK=Hx2eBe9qvL4GUPSZycp5mmia@mail.gmail.com>
	<386F14DD-0E3D-4187-BF03-CF01528CAD77@verizon.net>
	<C9FBFE7B-BE7B-44DA-91A9-CC5FBB4E05D4@major.on-rev.com>
	<D3115533-EF1A-4786-8ADF-3F7D5FB37CE4@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <939844BF-FFEF-4F63-9A4F-478589C5BA51@mac.com>

the full approach would be similar to this:

choose app
parse package.app/contents/info.plist for icn file name
convert icn file to png
get image into rev
set icon of button to image

therefore in a LC button, the following works (watch for linewraps).

Note: xml parsing is super simplified, and won't work with accented chars (needs conversion from utf8). Also, some type of apps do not have the icon stored in the info.plist, the fallback would be to try <appbundlename>.icns, or maybe the name of the actual executable in the "MacOS" folder. furthermore, some apps are carbon, no idea if they follow the same rules.

on mouseUp
   lock screen

   --select app
   answer file "choose an app:"
   if it = "" then
      beep
      exit mouseUp
   end if

   --parse plist
   put it & "/Contents/" into theAppPath
   put url ("file:" & theAppPath & "/Info.plist") into theXML
   put offset("CFBundleIconFile", theXML) into theOffset
   repeat two times
      put offset(">", theXML,theOffset) + theOffset into theOffset
   end repeat
   put char theOffset +1 to offset("<", theXML,theOffset) + theOffset -1 of theXML into theName
   if char -5 to -1 of theName <> ".icns" then
      put ".icns" after theName
   end if
  
   --create image paths
   put theAppPath & "Resources/" &  theName into theIconPath
   put specialfolderpath("temp") & "/temp.png" into theImagePath
   
   --run shell app
   put shell("sips -s format png -z 32 32" &&  theIconPath && "--out" && theImagePath) into theError
   if word 1 of theError <> theIconPath then --word 2 should be theImagePath
      beep
      put theError
      exit mouseUp
   end if
   
   --now let rev import
   import paint from file theImagePath
   put the id of last image into lastImport
   set the visible of image ID lastImport to false
   set the icon of me to lastImport
end mouseUp



From th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com  Sun Jan  9 14:30:07 2011
From: th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com (Thierry)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:30:07 +0100
Subject: How do I set the icon from an OSX app to a button?
In-Reply-To: <54AFE4D7-5E8D-49E0-92C9-D849D5B9B0C3@verizon.net>
References: <4D29EF8B.1030708@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTik8aaoQ8ipo94YHk=uadtkVVNHHrv_14E2pZvsP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinXmbjKUaN_3d_M2FJ=r2wTtyqdK72VhWS3Nje_@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimsmhkvxpuZKQsd0-yintSOS0G9TrqxrfWqKoz=@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimrJ9czSX6dmaK=Hx2eBe9qvL4GUPSZycp5mmia@mail.gmail.com>
	<386F14DD-0E3D-4187-BF03-CF01528CAD77@verizon.net>
	<4518D5BC-D4A6-4917-BEE5-828F1029C4CE@sunnyrevtalk.com>
	<54AFE4D7-5E8D-49E0-92C9-D849D5B9B0C3@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1A90E5BB-E4E8-4398-8901-85815D20129F@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 9 janv. 2011 ? 20:16, Colin Holgate a ?crit :

> 
> On Jan 9, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Thierry wrote:
> 
>> sips -s format png -z 32 32 x.icns -...
>> 
>> You should be happy :)
> 
> 
> I'm generally a happy person, but if I wasn't, that would have done it!


To be really happy... (  there is no limits... )

maybe worth trying out

      formatOptions   with:  low normal high or  best

Regards,
Thierry




From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sun Jan  9 14:35:43 2011
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:35:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How To "Get" Properties in iOS?
In-Reply-To: <C94F4413.4FF3C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94EAB9D.4FEF0%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<1294595363058-3206135.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C94F4413.4FF3C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <1294601743158-3206246.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Scott,

I am using a list field that is within a group (the group is being
scrolled). BUT I set the listbehavior to false when starting.

On mouseDown I set the listbehavior to true, but the listbehavior is not
immediately (within the mouseDown handler) availabel. 
Also in the mouseDown handler I get the mouseV and mouseH, which I store in
a script local variable. In the mouseUp handler I check again the mouseV and
mouseH and if both are less than 10 pixel from the mouseDown I consider it a
click and set the HilitedLine of the list to the mouseLIne. 

This now hilites the selected line with the blue hilite and inverts the
black textcolor to white.
Still in the mouseUp handler I set the listbehavior to false and go to
another card -> the result of the selection. (And here I store the oldScroll
which I use to set the scroll when returning from other cards to the list
field so it is at the scroll where it was left.)

I dont know if this is more complicated than necessary, but the list field
in its default setting (listbehavior true) seemed to "overreact" to touches
that were the begin of a scroll. As if the delaytouches and canceltouches
dont work for list fields. So that is my workaround.


Hope this makes any sense

Kind regards

Bernd


Scott Rossi wrote:
> 
>> on doGetProp pProp
>>    iphoneControlGet sScrollerId, pProp
>>    return the result
>> end doGetProp
> 
> Thanks Bernd.  I'll try again (need to do exactly what you are doing) but
> I
> wasn't getting any result.
> 
> Also, do you have any suggestions for handling the clicking of items in a
> scroller group?  I've spent hours trying to work out the "proper" method,
> and while I have something working with mouseDown, the selection of an
> item
> seems unreliable unless the click "lingers" for some millisecs -- a quick
> touch goes undetected by the group.
> 
> (Scroll performance of the group is also not so great but I can live with
> that.)
> 
> What is the correct way to set up item selection in a scrolling group
> using
> the iOS scroller?
> 
> Thanks & Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sun Jan  9 15:17:30 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:17:30 -0800
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <4D2A05DF.9060005@comcast.net>
References: <9126FD2E-F633-46C1-8876-6C33BB0CC540@me.com>
	<4D2A05DF.9060005@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CEF092B8-0784-4877-97B1-E718CE7AE952@mollysrevenge.com>

Here's another thought.  I currently generate a reply to emails I get from PayPal re purchases by using a Rule in the Mac Mail client.  It's just a simple courtesy to let them know I got the order soon but he Mac Mail rules have an option to run an Applescript on the selected incoming emails so for those people who know Applescript, it would probably be possible to generate a registration code and send an email with it in.  I did something similar once which generated an email with an attached file dependant on the PayPal product code in the incoming email.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 9, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Marty Knapp wrote:

> In my search for order processing services, I came across a php script for use with PayPal. I didn't look too deep (don't know php), but for those interested you might take a peak:
> 
> <http://www.maxprog.com/site/scripts/paypal_ipn/index.html>
> 
> They have a free "lite" version and "Pro" version for $10. I don't know if/how they deal with registration codes.
> 
> FWIW,
> 
> Marty Knapp
> 
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Sun Jan  9 16:15:42 2011
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 15:15:42 -0600
Subject: iOS App Accepted
In-Reply-To: <561C7438-8C38-4125-AC82-9CB2C4371A34@verizon.net>
References: <D8F1C009-22D1-4F50-9E9B-4ADFF63BCD6A@mac.com>
	<C8CF73D4-2224-4126-99CA-1E18380AFD65@verizon.net>
	<10067255-FE41-49BB-9ADF-816055C8482B@mac.com>
	<561C7438-8C38-4125-AC82-9CB2C4371A34@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <681FECD0-31C6-4A7E-B4A6-85958AF06C41@mac.com>

Well, that's odd... I went back and checked 4.5.2 and the same process works with it, too.

On Jan 9, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> 
> On Jan 9, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Randy Hengst wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I'm using LC 4.5.3 (rc3 and rc4).... Under the Development Menu --> Simulator Version --> then select the Device before you go to the simulator...
>> 
>> Also make sure iPad is selected in the Applications Settings.
> 
> 
> That doesn't seem to help. If I choose iPod/iPhone/iPad, or just iPad, I get the iPad simulator with a little iPhone app running. I also get a crash every couple of times I try, but then I'm on 4.5.2.
> 
> 
> 
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Sun Jan  9 16:17:42 2011
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 15:17:42 -0600
Subject: iOS App Accepted
In-Reply-To: <C94F408B.4FF39%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C94F408B.4FF39%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <3E57D7F3-B2A6-4602-B74D-EF8BB09EBF7E@mac.com>

Well, Scott, they caught me.... anyway, it wasn't a big deal to fix. I set it up to rotate all four orientations and rearranged the screen on rotation a bit to accommodate.

Good to hear about the landscape only, however.

take care,
randy
------
On Jan 9, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> That's great Randy, you're on a roll.
> 
> Rotating iPad in 2 directions is fine, people two that all the time (I have
> -- landscape only), and FWIW, I've seen plenty lately that only rotate in
> one -- somehow they get through.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
> Recently, Randy Hengst wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I just had my second app accepted by Apple.... this one for iPad only...
>> Baseball Math.... hey it sold six copies on the first day!
>> 
>> http://itunes.apple.com/app/baseballmath/id412763742?mt=8
>> 
>> FYI.... This app was initially rejected because I neglected to have it
>> rotate.... that was my fault... as has been noted previously on our lists (and
>> in Apple docs), Apple wants iPad apps to rotate all four directions. They'll
>> accept just two if that really fits the apps design. My next iPad app will be
>> only landscape... so, we'll see how that goes.
>> 
>> take care,
>> randy hengst
> 
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan  9 17:19:31 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:19:31 -0600
Subject: Quit
In-Reply-To: <4D29ACCE.8020606@gmail.com>
References: <4D29ACCE.8020606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D2A3473.9010007@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/9/11 6:40 AM, Richmond wrote:
> I want to disable the ability of Mac users to QUIT
> by pressing Command-Q; tis is to force them to
> use localised QUIT buttons (each with slightly
> different characteristics) on cards within a stack.

Try trapping the shutdownrequest message.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sun Jan  9 17:48:13 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 14:48:13 -0800
Subject: When is a Word not a Word?
Message-ID: <431CB3EB-DCD5-4BD8-996C-000948B7E3B1@mollysrevenge.com>

Got weird things going on with the wordoffset function.  The code is:

put wordoffset(field "Selection",myLine) into mywordoffset

if field Selection contains xyz and myline contains abc def xyz, then wordoffset returns 3.

if field Selection contains xyz and myline contains abc def "xyz" (xyz in double quotes this time), wordoffset returns zero.

I've tried this with all combinations of casesensitive and wholematches true and false.

According to the dictionary, "A word is delimited by one or more spaces, tabs, or returns, or enclosed by double quotes" so why isn;t "xyz" recognised as a word? 

Pete Haworth











From tereza at califex.com  Sun Jan  9 18:01:16 2011
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:01:16 -0600
Subject: iOS App Accepted
In-Reply-To: <D8F1C009-22D1-4F50-9E9B-4ADFF63BCD6A@mac.com>
References: <D8F1C009-22D1-4F50-9E9B-4ADFF63BCD6A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B4FFE718-C094-4892-BB5C-BFCD38F02FB5@califex.com>

Yay team!

On Jan 9, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Randy Hengst wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I just had my second app accepted by Apple.... this one for iPad only... Baseball Math.... hey it sold six copies on the first day! 
> 





From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sun Jan  9 18:05:03 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 19:05:03 -0400
Subject: Trying to adhere to interface standards Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <4D289A77.4050700@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=whjEkUG-U_sGm6CUqwT9V7idtneg903fyqCs1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D288DB7.809@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin1+d80sMvSPdS793np8xkf8vR6zvhkEUuurUCX@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D289394.5000607@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimX5QfPMGH6jETZc+brEiizPM53kdZ8mzPJgtHE@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D289A77.4050700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimTcG1ZkoSevbvxYYDR6jvsJsSpVynNOj_zyo1-@mail.gmail.com>

Richmond - I tried your suggestion. You know there is quit a bit of
functionality built into that menu bar. And then there is the problem of
when you compile for Windows also.

Do you know why LiveCode doesn't offer a few more common interface
standards?


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan  9 18:14:51 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 17:14:51 -0600
Subject: When is a Word not a Word?
In-Reply-To: <431CB3EB-DCD5-4BD8-996C-000948B7E3B1@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <431CB3EB-DCD5-4BD8-996C-000948B7E3B1@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <4D2A416B.9040502@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/9/11 4:48 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Got weird things going on with the wordoffset function.  The code
> is:
>
> put wordoffset(field "Selection",myLine) into mywordoffset
>
> if field Selection contains xyz and myline contains abc def xyz, then
> wordoffset returns 3.
>
> if field Selection contains xyz and myline contains abc def "xyz"
> (xyz in double quotes this time), wordoffset returns zero.
>
> I've tried this with all combinations of casesensitive and
> wholematches true and false.
>
> According to the dictionary, "A word is delimited by one or more
> spaces, tabs, or returns, or enclosed by double quotes" so why isn;t
> "xyz" recognised as a word?

Well, wordoffset looks at the beginnings of words, and the first 
character in your second example is a quotation mark. So xyz isn't at 
the start of a word in the second example, but quote+xyz is.

You can replace quotes with empty before getting the offset and then 
you'll get what you expect.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sun Jan  9 19:03:12 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:03:12 -0800
Subject: Custom Print Dialog
Message-ID: <4D2A4CC0.3070403@comcast.net>

Has anyone rolled their own print dialog for Mac? I'm working on an app 
that I hope to get into the Mac App Store and am concerned about 
violating the HIG. Currently my users have a choice of how many cards to 
print per page, along with a few other options that need to be set 
before I call for the print dialog. I have to inform the user not to 
change the quantity in the subsequent standard mac print dialog, as that 
will potentially print multiple copies of a multi-card page, which might 
confuse people.

But looking at the dictionary, it doesn't look like there are too many 
options when making you own print dialog. For instance, if you're 
printing to an ink jet printer, I see the only color option is on or off 
- no control over the type of paper (plain, high-gloss, etc). As my 
printers here don't have multiple paper trays, I can't tell if that 
shows up in printerFeatures.

Any advice for me?

Thank you,
Marty Knapp



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sun Jan  9 19:05:28 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:05:28 -0800
Subject: When is a Word not a Word?
In-Reply-To: <4D2A416B.9040502@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <431CB3EB-DCD5-4BD8-996C-000948B7E3B1@mollysrevenge.com>
	<4D2A416B.9040502@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E2463ED0-0B03-4666-830F-DAF7C9BCC6E4@mollysrevenge.com>

So is the dictionary wrong or am I just misunderstanding it?  It says a word is something enclosed in quotes.  Is it implying that the quotes are part of the word, not delimited by it?

Pete Haworth

On Jan 9, 2011, at 3:14 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/9/11 4:48 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> Got weird things going on with the wordoffset function.  The code
>> is:
>> 
>> put wordoffset(field "Selection",myLine) into mywordoffset
>> 
>> if field Selection contains xyz and myline contains abc def xyz, then
>> wordoffset returns 3.
>> 
>> if field Selection contains xyz and myline contains abc def "xyz"
>> (xyz in double quotes this time), wordoffset returns zero.
>> 
>> I've tried this with all combinations of casesensitive and
>> wholematches true and false.
>> 
>> According to the dictionary, "A word is delimited by one or more
>> spaces, tabs, or returns, or enclosed by double quotes" so why isn;t
>> "xyz" recognised as a word?
> 
> Well, wordoffset looks at the beginnings of words, and the first character in your second example is a quotation mark. So xyz isn't at the start of a word in the second example, but quote+xyz is.
> 
> You can replace quotes with empty before getting the offset and then you'll get what you expect.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sun Jan  9 19:16:15 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:16:15 -0800
Subject: When is a Word not a Word?
In-Reply-To: <4D2A416B.9040502@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <431CB3EB-DCD5-4BD8-996C-000948B7E3B1@mollysrevenge.com>
	<4D2A416B.9040502@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B3868534-0E60-4645-9BB2-EFFC71190B2C@mollysrevenge.com>

I guess my previous email should have said what I'm trying to do.

I'm searching through an LC script to find all occurrences of a string and then replacing it with another string.  The quote thing causes a problem with expressions such as 

if "xyz" is among the lines of the customkeys of ....

I can't replace the quotes around xyz because that changes the whole meaning of the if statement and makes xyz look like a variable.

Any suggestions on how to do this?  Maybe put quote & "xyz" & quote into a variable and search for it?

Pete Haworth

On Jan 9, 2011, at 3:14 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/9/11 4:48 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> Got weird things going on with the wordoffset function.  The code
>> is:
>> 
>> put wordoffset(field "Selection",myLine) into mywordoffset
>> 
>> if field Selection contains xyz and myline contains abc def xyz, then
>> wordoffset returns 3.
>> 
>> if field Selection contains xyz and myline contains abc def "xyz"
>> (xyz in double quotes this time), wordoffset returns zero.
>> 
>> I've tried this with all combinations of casesensitive and
>> wholematches true and false.
>> 
>> According to the dictionary, "A word is delimited by one or more
>> spaces, tabs, or returns, or enclosed by double quotes" so why isn;t
>> "xyz" recognised as a word?
> 
> Well, wordoffset looks at the beginnings of words, and the first character in your second example is a quotation mark. So xyz isn't at the start of a word in the second example, but quote+xyz is.
> 
> You can replace quotes with empty before getting the offset and then you'll get what you expect.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Jan  9 19:25:55 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:25:55 -0800
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <CEF092B8-0784-4877-97B1-E718CE7AE952@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <C94F9213.4FF52%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Here's another thought.  I currently generate a reply to emails I get from
> PayPal re purchases by using a Rule in the Mac Mail client.  It's just a
> simple courtesy to let them know I got the order soon but he Mac Mail rules
> have an option to run an Applescript on the selected incoming emails so for
> those people who know Applescript, it would probably be possible to generate a
> registration code and send an email with it in.  I did something similar once
> which generated an email with an attached file dependant on the PayPal product
> code in the incoming email.

Thanks Pete.

I've done this in the past, running an online game that generated software
codes (a Rev stack generated a unique serial number based on an incoming
email rule).  It's a bit fragile, but there is a benefit of having all your
processing technologies (email rules, LiveCode stacks, etc) local.

In fact, it just occurred to me I have a few spare computers here so I could
have a system devoted solely to order processing.  Thanks for jogging my
thinking about this option.  Will still investigate PHP scripts as well.

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun Jan  9 19:41:33 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 22:41:33 -0200
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <C94E3EAB.4FED6%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <83B969BC-DE80-46C2-854C-CCB019B8B3FD@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C94E3EAB.4FED6%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimW+cas-TVq2kWGQiYuYgAhV0MTn8KqyHEv+uUZ@mail.gmail.com>

Scott,

I did this with on-rev. let me have some days to package it, I was turning
it into a paid product.

andre



On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Recently, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>
> > PayPal provides a library, into which you can hook your own registration
> > system. You still have to make the actual script PHP to generate a
> license,
> > but you can use the transaction information that's provided in real time
> by
> > PayPal to create that license.
>
> I wonder if one could do this with on-rev instead of PHP...
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Sun Jan  9 19:43:52 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 22:43:52 -0200
Subject: Humor: xkcd- How To Write Good Code
In-Reply-To: <144229823359.20110107190639@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5CB65FE0-531F-4FDA-8236-A905B85107F1@snet.net>
	<144229823359.20110107190639@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimg5faa5NzBV2QF6DRVRANRzDZj_xtZ8XYbTcWS@mail.gmail.com>

check the tooltip on the cartoon... makes things even funnier

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Kurt-
>
> Friday, January 7, 2011, 5:18:06 PM, you wrote:
>
> > http://xkcd.com/844/
>
> LOL. But all seriousness aside, I think the "Throw it all out and
> start over" step is the best refactoring process there is. My code
> becomes so much cleaner when I've already thought out the issues and
> don't have to deal with the legacy code I've (badly) written.
>
> --
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>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan  9 21:14:51 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 18:14:51 -0800
Subject: Humor: xkcd- How To Write Good Code
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimg5faa5NzBV2QF6DRVRANRzDZj_xtZ8XYbTcWS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5CB65FE0-531F-4FDA-8236-A905B85107F1@snet.net>
	<144229823359.20110107190639@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTimg5faa5NzBV2QF6DRVRANRzDZj_xtZ8XYbTcWS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <108399518171.20110109181451@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

Sunday, January 9, 2011, 4:43:52 PM, you wrote:

> check the tooltip on the cartoon... makes things even funnier

Hah! I hadn't noticed that before. Thanks.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan  9 21:58:44 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 20:58:44 -0600
Subject: When is a Word not a Word?
In-Reply-To: <E2463ED0-0B03-4666-830F-DAF7C9BCC6E4@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <431CB3EB-DCD5-4BD8-996C-000948B7E3B1@mollysrevenge.com>	<4D2A416B.9040502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E2463ED0-0B03-4666-830F-DAF7C9BCC6E4@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <4D2A75E4.6010608@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/9/11 6:05 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> So is the dictionary wrong or am I just misunderstanding it?  It says
> a word is something enclosed in quotes.  Is it implying that the
> quotes are part of the word, not delimited by it?

It's confusing, but it's sort of both. Counting everything within double 
quotes as a single word is historical HyperCard behavior. That makes it 
easy to do things like extract the name of a stack:

   get the name of this stack -- 'stack "Message Box"'
   put word 2 of it -- "Message Box"

Note though that you still need to strip the quotation marks if you 
don't want them, so quotes really are still part of the "word" chunk. 
Basically words are delimited by white space, but inside a quoted string 
the white space is ignored, at least for the purposes of text chunking.

The offset functions also respect the double-quote rule:

  get the name of this stack -- 'stack "Message Box"'
  put wordoffset("box",it) -- 2
  put wordoffset("message",it) -- 2

But offset functions do ignore the quotes when looking for a match 
(which means I mislead you in my last message.) I just tried your 
example and I get what you'd expect. I'm not sure why our results are 
different:

   get "abc def" && quote& "xyz" &quote
   put wordoffset("xyz",it)

I get 3.

> Any suggestions on how to do this?  Maybe put quote & "xyz" &
 > quote into a variable and search for it?

Yes, I think that's what you'd need to do. It will force the engine to 
evaluate the string before using it.

But even easier, do you know about the built-in script editor replace? 
It's in the Edit menu when a script editor is open. Or click the More 
button next to the Find field if it's already showing. It beats writing 
your own.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan  9 22:20:08 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 19:20:08 -0800
Subject: Major Problems with Find/Replace
In-Reply-To: <3601B1EC-A873-4376-AC62-17949BFF7F47@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <3601B1EC-A873-4376-AC62-17949BFF7F47@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <33403434812.20110109192008@ahsoftware.net>

Pete-

Friday, January 7, 2011, 2:43:35 PM, you wrote:

> I just got done using the FInd and Replace  dialog (from the Edit
> menu) to make some wholesale changes to custom property names

Actually I wasn't aware that you could do this with that dialog...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 23:17:28 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:17:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Audioclips: can't get at the data?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik6d3OVtP8G_MqbqUOW0yyWrbN9wg15aPs6w_pq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimU4qV0hnuuNiO+FdJA2ziNUG3k7nPYT_pyz17A@mail.gmail.com>
	<C94CABF7.4FE0E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<AANLkTikbKzpu9kO9mCaykNJO-+ueVU9LE-Vk8VveXxFY@mail.gmail.com>
	<7C79C759-264A-4406-B176-6AADE131E6E3@major.on-rev.com>
	<C94CC942.4FE24%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<AANLkTim_6U2d97S448n5KbduZc9tATJTM_J+AoEHHP3U@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik5eBQCJsEW14hvz5kQGuO6KG-Yj4d+T4rgNvue@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik6d3OVtP8G_MqbqUOW0yyWrbN9wg15aPs6w_pq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1294633048500-3206597.post@n4.nabble.com>


Stephen, These are great news, indeed! :-D

Could we merge many imported audioclips in a
single audio file?

This would make a lot easier to recreate
apps like "Mozart's Musical Game" in this
platform

These messages reads like the continuation
of this thread from last May:
http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Rev-audio-clips-td2221758.html 

Al
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From psahores at free.fr  Mon Jan 10 01:43:03 2011
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:43:03 +0100
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimW+cas-TVq2kWGQiYuYgAhV0MTn8KqyHEv+uUZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <83B969BC-DE80-46C2-854C-CCB019B8B3FD@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C94E3EAB.4FED6%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<AANLkTimW+cas-TVq2kWGQiYuYgAhV0MTn8KqyHEv+uUZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6EDF27AC-4895-4C50-9A5D-CD9654D4A7AB@free.fr>

Andre,

Will license and learn your way to go as soon as you will have pack it :D

Kind Regards,

Pierre

Le 10 janv. 2011 ? 01:41, Andre Garzia a ?crit :

> Scott,
> 
> I did this with on-rev. let me have some days to package it, I was turning
> it into a paid product.
> 
> andre
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> 
>> Recently, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>> 
>>> PayPal provides a library, into which you can hook your own registration
>>> system. You still have to make the actual script PHP to generate a
>> license,
>>> but you can use the transaction information that's provided in real time
>> by
>>> PayPal to create that license.
>> 
>> I wonder if one could do this with on-rev instead of PHP...
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 10 07:13:22 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:13:22 -0200
Subject: Humor: xkcd- How To Write Good Code
In-Reply-To: <108399518171.20110109181451@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5CB65FE0-531F-4FDA-8236-A905B85107F1@snet.net>
	<144229823359.20110107190639@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTimg5faa5NzBV2QF6DRVRANRzDZj_xtZ8XYbTcWS@mail.gmail.com>
	<108399518171.20110109181451@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikk9aAp6+wgeddjomtSuRwK6BtnV6YGinV3dW_q@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>wrote:

> Andre-
>
> Sunday, January 9, 2011, 4:43:52 PM, you wrote:
>
> > check the tooltip on the cartoon... makes things even funnier
>
> Hah! I hadn't noticed that before. Thanks.
>
>
Are you waiting for HURD too??? I want to run HURD on a NextStation....
(Now, back on the real world, I'd settle for better linux engine)



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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Mon Jan 10 07:24:05 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:24:05 +0100
Subject: Quit
In-Reply-To: <4D2A3473.9010007@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4D29ACCE.8020606@gmail.com> <4D2A3473.9010007@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <64F01E93-611C-4D78-8582-340E3B64D093@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Jaqueline and Richmond,

> On 1/9/11 6:40 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> I want to disable the ability of Mac users to QUIT
>> by pressing Command-Q; tis is to force them to
>> use localised QUIT buttons (each with slightly
>> different characteristics) on cards within a stack.
> 
> Try trapping the shutdownrequest message.

I think you will need to trap the appropriate AppleEvent, since the "Quit"
menu in any OS X app is managed by the OS!

Put this into the script of your mainstack:
on appleEvent theClass,theID
  ## dosc = Do Script
  ## rapp = resume app
  ## odoc = open document
  ## quit = quit
  
  ## Only "trap" the quit command and let all other apple event pass!
  if theID <> "quit" then
      pass appleevent
  end if
end appleEvent

That should do what you want.

> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Best

Klaus

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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 08:49:30 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:49:30 -0500
Subject: When is a Word not a Word?
In-Reply-To: <431CB3EB-DCD5-4BD8-996C-000948B7E3B1@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <431CB3EB-DCD5-4BD8-996C-000948B7E3B1@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <9BA75CF2-B903-4FC3-BB56-8E9DA3D0E91E@gmail.com>

On Jan 9, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Got weird things going on with the wordoffset function.  The code is:
>
> put wordoffset(field "Selection",myLine) into mywordoffset
>
> if field Selection contains xyz and myline contains abc def xyz,  
> then wordoffset returns 3.
>
> if field Selection contains xyz and myline contains abc def  
> "xyz" (xyz in double quotes this time), wordoffset returns zero.
>
> I've tried this with all combinations of casesensitive and  
> wholematches true and false.
>
> According to the dictionary, "A word is delimited by one or more  
> spaces, tabs, or returns, or enclosed by double quotes" so why isn;t  
> "xyz" recognised as a word?
>
> Pete Haworth

Word 3 of
    abc def "xyz"
is
    "xyz"
not
    xyz

The business about "enclosed in double quotes" refers to the (to my  
mind) puzzling convention in RC, dating back to the old HC days, of  
considering anything in double quotes to be one word. So, word 3 of
    abc def "ghi jklmno"
is
    "ghi jklmno"
(with the quotes included). There was a debate about the merits of  
this convention a while back -- search the archives.

But you might have wholematches set to true.

If you do:
    put "abc def ghi" && quote & "xyz" & quote into tSentence
    put "xyz" into tWord
    put s & cr & wordoffset(tWord, tSentence)
then you get
    abc def ghi "xyz"
    4
unless the wholematches = true, in which case the wordoffset returns 0.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Jan 10 08:55:09 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:55:09 +0100
Subject: Software Order Processing Service?
In-Reply-To: <4D28FAD4.3020204@comcast.net>
References: <C94E33A3.4FECE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4D28FAD4.3020204@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2C8ABECC-4F71-48DB-A541-C92A55173450@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

You might want to know that FastSpring is spamming software publishers to do business with them. I received an unsollicited e-mail from them the other they and I would not do business with FastSpring for this reason. 

--
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Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce

On 9 jan 2011, at 01:01, Marty Knapp wrote:

> FastSpring does what you're asking - they automatically issue the registration codes. They can deal with a list of your codes that you supply in bulk, or they offer a system that also generates the code, though I don't know that there is a way to implement dealing with that in LiveCode.
> 
> When a sale is completed, you also get, along with the customer info, the code that was issued so you have a record of it.
> 
> I believe the Kagi system is similar in this regard and their fees are the same, if I'm not mistaken.
> 
> I wasn't aware that PayPal offered anything for issued registration codes (thanks Mark for that info). Their rates are certainly less. I will look into this. How many of you have used this? Have you found it to be reliable? Fairly easy to implement?
> 
> Marty




From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 09:02:05 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:02:05 -0500
Subject: Quit
In-Reply-To: <4D29ACCE.8020606@gmail.com>
References: <4D29ACCE.8020606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <923704E2-C2FD-4311-B906-AF8ED771A98A@gmail.com>

On Jan 9, 2011, at 7:40 AM, Richmond wrote:

> I want to disable the ability of Mac users to QUIT
> by pressing Command-Q; tis is to force them to
> use localised QUIT buttons (each with slightly
> different characteristics) on cards within a stack.

This is in my saved tidbits stack, from a discussion a while back,  
maybe it will help:

------------

From: Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:16:34 +0100
Re: Re: saving data in a standalone before quit
(Was Re: (mac) application menu)

Peter,

When you use the Quit menu item, Mac OS X sends an event to  
Revolution. You can catch this message with the AppleEvent handler or  
the shutdownRequest handler. On Mac OS X, I prefer to use the  
AppleEvent handler most of the time.

If you use either the AppleEvent handler or the shutdownRequest  
handler without a pass command, the application will not quit by  
itself (you can also lock messages and issue the quit command).

When you press command-Q, the Quit menu item should work just like  
when you use the mouse to select this menu item and you can catch the  
AppleEvent and shutdownRequest messages again. However, your script  
may catch the commandKeyDown message. If you don't pass this message  
with the pass command, your application may not quit.

There are versions of Revolution that don't pass the commandKeydown  
message because of a bug. There are also versions that don't pass the  
AppleEvent message.

If you are using Rev 2.8.1, problems with quitting are probably due to  
a script.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Op 15-nov-2007, om 23:08 heeft Peter Brigham het volgende geschreven:

> Now, the other mystery -- I convert my stack to a standalone (now  
> with the correct application name in the Mac manubar!) and when I  
> select "quit <myApp> from the application menu, nothing happens.  
> Anyone have any ideas what could cause this behavior? Per my  
> previous experiments, this is probably *not* due to anything in my  
> scripting, as it seems that the quit command is handled by the  
> system. So what could be the problem?


********

From: Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:04:20 -0800
On: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Re: (mac) application menu

This was driving me crazy too. After messing around with it, I pieced
the following together and it's worked for me (I am using Rev 2.6.1):

on appleEvent pClass,pID,pSender  --I got this from Ken Ray's web site
   switch (pClass & pID)
   case "aevtquit"
     answer "Save changes?" with "Don't Save" or "Save"
     if it is "Save" then
       doSaveStuff
       pass appleEvent
     else pass appleEvent
     break
   default
     pass appleEvent
     break
   end switch
end appleEvent

on closeStackrequest
   Global homeStack
   if the short name of this stack is homeStack then
     answer "Save changes?" with "Don't Save" or "Save"
     if it is "Save" then
       doSaveStuff
     end if
   end if
   pass closeStackrequest
end closeStackrequest

on shutdownRequest --I only use this for Windows
   Global homeStack
   if the platform contains "Win" then
     if the short name of this stack is homeStack then
       answer "Save changes?" with "Don't Save" or "Save"
       if it is "Save" then
         doSaveStuff
       end if
     end if
   end if
   pass shutdownRequest
end shutdownRequest

Marty Knapp




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jan 10 09:51:19 2011
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:51:19 -0500
Subject: Preferences on first start-up
In-Reply-To: <CCE469E6-BDC8-4489-86FA-7440C6CBE99E@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <AANLkTinqyprK_PZd40sB6sr4gmnYSye-VEYHU6mor9gr@mail.gmail.com>
	<CCE469E6-BDC8-4489-86FA-7440C6CBE99E@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim3PUG1maZEFEN8uOnE7L_R3H-kBuK36mdz43fX@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Keith Clarke <
keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:

> ...I'm rather hoping that's one of the things the GLX framework supports
> with it's preference handling (I'm just starting to learn about it, so can't
> be sure).
>
> http://www.bluemangolearning.com/screensteps/examples/manuals/GLX_Application_Framework.html


The framework does handle the detection/creation of a prefs file. It does
not store the prefs file in the standard plist format, however. That would
be an interesting project for anybody who is bored and looking for something
to do... :-)

-- 

Trevor DeVore

Blue Mango Learning Systems

www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 10 11:36:33 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:36:33 -0800
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <72461645-6E5C-4042-95D5-521ADF659830@altuit.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
	<70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>
	<CB0DC1AD-857D-4006-A5F2-7AED8AE2F3EC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<3E7D9029-602F-456E-9B89-9B5D0466C1C3@twft.com>
	<D70AC311-4CA4-4FA6-8545-90D8371DA9EB@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<1AEC1FE9-C97F-4539-AD1F-A9BA90A525C4@twft.com>
	<72461645-6E5C-4042-95D5-521ADF659830@altuit.com>
Message-ID: <DE3B3B90-49DF-4C8F-BED2-D11CCDFCF606@twft.com>

I'm gonna move to the United State of Texas!

Bob


On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> I'm with you. In fact I believe if you don't lock your car, you should have it stolen. And anyone stupid enough to never lock their house deserves to be robbed at gunpoint and pistol whipped. 
> 
> And don't get me started about if you're so stupid to not know how to program in Objective-C...
> 
> Chipp Walters
> Who doesn't really know any Objective-C
> And who sometimes uses the word password..
> And who lives in Texas in a sometimes unlocked house and car and tractor and truck
> And who has a big gun and the Texas law on his side anytime he needs to use it.
> 
> (In fact, in Texas, I'm allowed to shoot a robber as he's carrying out a TV, in the back, who is robbing my neighbor's house...while they're away... Yep, we don't have too many home invasions here. And we balance our budget each year).
> :-p
> 
> On Jan 7, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> 
>> I agree that a lot of people use crappy passwords. It is my somewhat controversial opinion however, given that this is the 21st century, that those people really deserve to lose everything they protect with such passwords. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 10 11:45:58 2011
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:45:58 -0500
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <72461645-6E5C-4042-95D5-521ADF659830@altuit.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
	<70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>
	<CB0DC1AD-857D-4006-A5F2-7AED8AE2F3EC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<3E7D9029-602F-456E-9B89-9B5D0466C1C3@twft.com>
	<D70AC311-4CA4-4FA6-8545-90D8371DA9EB@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<1AEC1FE9-C97F-4539-AD1F-A9BA90A525C4@twft.com>
	<72461645-6E5C-4042-95D5-521ADF659830@altuit.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=n7KknUqZaUTvMMvuYSJmP0dj5gX+iFqURnktO@mail.gmail.com>

> (In fact, in Texas, I'm allowed to shoot a robber as he's carrying out a
> TV, in the back, who is robbing my neighbor's house...while they're away...
> Yep, we don't have too many home invasions here. And we balance our budget
> each year).
> :-p
>
>
LIKE!


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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Mon Jan 10 11:58:07 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:58:07 +0000
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <72461645-6E5C-4042-95D5-521ADF659830@altuit.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
	<70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>
	<CB0DC1AD-857D-4006-A5F2-7AED8AE2F3EC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<3E7D9029-602F-456E-9B89-9B5D0466C1C3@twft.com>
	<D70AC311-4CA4-4FA6-8545-90D8371DA9EB@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<1AEC1FE9-C97F-4539-AD1F-A9BA90A525C4@twft.com>
	<72461645-6E5C-4042-95D5-521ADF659830@altuit.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=QaWtRDVbdk-orACDf_D5sAx4-fUDxsYOfrXSr@mail.gmail.com>

Nah... I'm not moving to Texas. You've gone soft! In the 70's you could
shout your wife for infidelity and get away with it.

In Texas until 1974, a husband who killed a wife and her lover when he
caught them in flagrante delicto was not judged a criminal. In fact, the law
held that a "reasonable man" would respond to such extreme provocation with
acts of violence. -
source<http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-92216.html>


On 8 January 2011 06:13, Chipp Walters <chipp at altuit.com> wrote:

> I'm with you. In fact I believe if you don't lock your car, you should have
> it stolen. And anyone stupid enough to never lock their house deserves to be
> robbed at gunpoint and pistol whipped.
>
> And don't get me started about if you're so stupid to not know how to
> program in Objective-C...
>
> Chipp Walters
> Who doesn't really know any Objective-C
> And who sometimes uses the word password..
> And who lives in Texas in a sometimes unlocked house and car and tractor
> and truck
> And who has a big gun and the Texas law on his side anytime he needs to use
> it.
>
> (In fact, in Texas, I'm allowed to shoot a robber as he's carrying out a
> TV, in the back, who is robbing my neighbor's house...while they're away...
> Yep, we don't have too many home invasions here. And we balance our budget
> each year).
> :-p
>
> On Jan 7, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree that a lot of people use crappy passwords. It is my somewhat
> controversial opinion however, given that this is the 21st century, that
> those people really deserve to lose everything they protect with such
> passwords.
>


From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Jan 10 13:01:48 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:01:48 -0800
Subject: When is a Word not a Word?
In-Reply-To: <4D2A75E4.6010608@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <431CB3EB-DCD5-4BD8-996C-000948B7E3B1@mollysrevenge.com>	<4D2A416B.9040502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E2463ED0-0B03-4666-830F-DAF7C9BCC6E4@mollysrevenge.com>
	<4D2A75E4.6010608@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3DB76C0A-B91C-483F-B2F7-85C6293ABE8A@mollysrevenge.com>

Thanks for the explanation, I guess it's the wording in the dictionary that is not really clear (at least to me).  I think your example of having white space within quotes brought home the intention behind it all.

You get the correct xyz results because you enclosed the string to search for in quotes.  My problem was because I was trying to find a string not in quotes in the search field and it was in quotes in the search field.  I've worked around the problem now by searching both with and without quotes.

I know about the various different find/replace functions in LC and wonder why there are three of them that all work slightly differently, but that's another story.  I think the Find/Replace function you get from the Edit Menu when a script editor window is not in focus does what I want for scripts but, as mentioned in an earlier email, it wreaked (wrought?) havoc on my custom properties when I tried to search for a specific one and replace it with a different name.

I've written my own script to globally change the name of a custom property and it's working fine.  I've also realised that looking for strings in a script is pretty complicated because of the many string delimiters that could be present - quotes, comma, open and close brackets, open and close square brackets, etc - so I'll go back to the Find/Replace for that.  I guess I could try using a regular expression but they seem so far removed from the English-like syntax of the rest of LC that I don't think I want to get involved with them!
 
Pete Haworth

On Jan 9, 2011, at 6:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/9/11 6:05 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> So is the dictionary wrong or am I just misunderstanding it?  It says
>> a word is something enclosed in quotes.  Is it implying that the
>> quotes are part of the word, not delimited by it?
> 
> It's confusing, but it's sort of both. Counting everything within double quotes as a single word is historical HyperCard behavior. That makes it easy to do things like extract the name of a stack:
> 
>  get the name of this stack -- 'stack "Message Box"'
>  put word 2 of it -- "Message Box"
> 
> Note though that you still need to strip the quotation marks if you don't want them, so quotes really are still part of the "word" chunk. Basically words are delimited by white space, but inside a quoted string the white space is ignored, at least for the purposes of text chunking.
> 
> The offset functions also respect the double-quote rule:
> 
> get the name of this stack -- 'stack "Message Box"'
> put wordoffset("box",it) -- 2
> put wordoffset("message",it) -- 2
> 
> But offset functions do ignore the quotes when looking for a match (which means I mislead you in my last message.) I just tried your example and I get what you'd expect. I'm not sure why our results are different:
> 
>  get "abc def" && quote& "xyz" &quote
>  put wordoffset("xyz",it)
> 
> I get 3.
> 
>> Any suggestions on how to do this?  Maybe put quote & "xyz" &
> > quote into a variable and search for it?
> 
> Yes, I think that's what you'd need to do. It will force the engine to evaluate the string before using it.
> 
> But even easier, do you know about the built-in script editor replace? It's in the Edit menu when a script editor is open. Or click the More button next to the Find field if it's already showing. It beats writing your own.
> 
> -- 
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> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Jan 10 13:04:44 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:04:44 -0800
Subject: Major Problems with Find/Replace
In-Reply-To: <33403434812.20110109192008@ahsoftware.net>
References: <3601B1EC-A873-4376-AC62-17949BFF7F47@mollysrevenge.com>
	<33403434812.20110109192008@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <037594C9-6B9E-4F48-9650-0DD44700EDCD@mollysrevenge.com>

Yeah, it's on the FInd/Replace dialog you get when the script editor is either not open or not in Focus - a check box labelled "Custom".  Use it at your won risk though!  I rolled my own script to do it.

Pete Haworth

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On Jan 9, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Pete-
> 
> Friday, January 7, 2011, 2:43:35 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> I just got done using the FInd and Replace  dialog (from the Edit
>> menu) to make some wholesale changes to custom property names
> 
> Actually I wasn't aware that you could do this with that dialog...
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Jan 10 13:09:04 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:09:04 -0800
Subject: When is a Word not a Word?
In-Reply-To: <9BA75CF2-B903-4FC3-BB56-8E9DA3D0E91E@gmail.com>
References: <431CB3EB-DCD5-4BD8-996C-000948B7E3B1@mollysrevenge.com>
	<9BA75CF2-B903-4FC3-BB56-8E9DA3D0E91E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54D83323-CBC2-4E6D-A4F5-0E197DE774BB@mollysrevenge.com>

Thanks Peter.  Unfortunately, I need wholematches to be true for my purposes.  I've got round the problem by first searching without quotes and if nothing is found, searching again with quotes.  I'm actually going back to the built in Find/Replace functions because I've realised there are lots of delimiters in scripts that the word offset functions don't handle - quotes, square brackets, round brackets, comma, etc.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 10, 2011, at 5:49 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:

> On Jan 9, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> 
>> Got weird things going on with the wordoffset function.  The code is:
>> 
>> put wordoffset(field "Selection",myLine) into mywordoffset
>> 
>> if field Selection contains xyz and myline contains abc def xyz, then wordoffset returns 3.
>> 
>> if field Selection contains xyz and myline contains abc def "xyz" (xyz in double quotes this time), wordoffset returns zero.
>> 
>> I've tried this with all combinations of casesensitive and wholematches true and false.
>> 
>> According to the dictionary, "A word is delimited by one or more spaces, tabs, or returns, or enclosed by double quotes" so why isn;t "xyz" recognised as a word?
>> 
>> Pete Haworth
> 
> Word 3 of
>   abc def "xyz"
> is
>   "xyz"
> not
>   xyz
> 
> The business about "enclosed in double quotes" refers to the (to my mind) puzzling convention in RC, dating back to the old HC days, of considering anything in double quotes to be one word. So, word 3 of
>   abc def "ghi jklmno"
> is
>   "ghi jklmno"
> (with the quotes included). There was a debate about the merits of this convention a while back -- search the archives.
> 
> But you might have wholematches set to true.
> 
> If you do:
>   put "abc def ghi" && quote & "xyz" & quote into tSentence
>   put "xyz" into tWord
>   put s & cr & wordoffset(tWord, tSentence)
> then you get
>   abc def ghi "xyz"
>   4
> unless the wholematches = true, in which case the wordoffset returns 0.
> 
> -- Peter
> 
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
> 
> 
> 
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Mon Jan 10 13:22:36 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:22:36 +0000
Subject: Using shell to call Livecode
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=zv6+EKoMz3sa96moYwiDmXQnHzJxwckM4Z5jH@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to use the shell to open LiveCode and pass it a value that can be
handled by a Script - I used to do this with MetaCard on Linux - is this
possible cross platform with LiveCode?


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Jan 10 13:36:36 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:36:36 +0100
Subject: Using shell to call Livecode
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=zv6+EKoMz3sa96moYwiDmXQnHzJxwckM4Z5jH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=zv6+EKoMz3sa96moYwiDmXQnHzJxwckM4Z5jH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9FC1C74A-4AD7-4BCF-80D8-9C8B589C3B3C@economy-x-talk.com>

David,

You can do really nice tricks with the shell and Revolution 3.5 and earlier. I'm not sure about 4 and later.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
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New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce

On 10 jan 2011, at 19:22, David Bovill wrote:

> I'd like to use the shell to open LiveCode and pass it a value that can be
> handled by a Script - I used to do this with MetaCard on Linux - is this
> possible cross platform with LiveCode?





From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Mon Jan 10 14:09:39 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:09:39 +0000
Subject: Using shell to call Livecode
In-Reply-To: <9FC1C74A-4AD7-4BCF-80D8-9C8B589C3B3C@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <AANLkTi=zv6+EKoMz3sa96moYwiDmXQnHzJxwckM4Z5jH@mail.gmail.com>
	<9FC1C74A-4AD7-4BCF-80D8-9C8B589C3B3C@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim=WzZf-pQvZFVCxm3Mg=Ey_Qa=CkhEQDD7kQYj@mail.gmail.com>

I want to configure an external program to use LiveCode as a web browser
rather than a default browser - in the config options it allows you to
specify a command line that will open a browser of you choice with the given
url:

> A shell command used to launch your preferred web browser when given a URL as an argument.
> Defaults to "start" on windows, "open" on Mac, and "firefox" on Unix.
>
> Similar things go for using Livecode as a built in editor for various
things. I don't want to use AppleScript as i want a cross-platform solution?
Any suggestions as to what i could try?

On 10 January 2011 18:36, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com
> wrote:

> David,
>
> You can do really nice tricks with the shell and Revolution 3.5 and
> earlier. I'm not sure about 4 and later.
>


From bvg at mac.com  Mon Jan 10 15:06:58 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:06:58 +0100
Subject: Using shell to call Livecode
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim=WzZf-pQvZFVCxm3Mg=Ey_Qa=CkhEQDD7kQYj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=zv6+EKoMz3sa96moYwiDmXQnHzJxwckM4Z5jH@mail.gmail.com>
	<9FC1C74A-4AD7-4BCF-80D8-9C8B589C3B3C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AANLkTim=WzZf-pQvZFVCxm3Mg=Ey_Qa=CkhEQDD7kQYj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6D567C2F-712B-4F97-970B-85EE265A12F0@mac.com>

David, you want $.

On 10 Jan 2011, at 20:09, David Bovill wrote:

> I want to configure an external program to use LiveCode as a web browser
> rather than a default browser - in the config options it allows you to
> specify a command line that will open a browser of you choice with the given
> url:
> 
>> A shell command used to launch your preferred web browser when given a URL as an argument.
>> Defaults to "start" on windows, "open" on Mac, and "firefox" on Unix.
>> 
>> Similar things go for using Livecode as a built in editor for various
> things. I don't want to use AppleScript as i want a cross-platform solution?
> Any suggestions as to what i could try?
> 
> On 10 January 2011 18:36, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com
>> wrote:
> 
>> David,
>> 
>> You can do really nice tricks with the shell and Revolution 3.5 and
>> earlier. I'm not sure about 4 and later.
>> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 10 15:23:32 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:23:32 -0800
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=QaWtRDVbdk-orACDf_D5sAx4-fUDxsYOfrXSr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
	<70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>
	<CB0DC1AD-857D-4006-A5F2-7AED8AE2F3EC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<3E7D9029-602F-456E-9B89-9B5D0466C1C3@twft.com>
	<D70AC311-4CA4-4FA6-8545-90D8371DA9EB@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<1AEC1FE9-C97F-4539-AD1F-A9BA90A525C4@twft.com>
	<72461645-6E5C-4042-95D5-521ADF659830@altuit.com>
	<AANLkTi=QaWtRDVbdk-orACDf_D5sAx4-fUDxsYOfrXSr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A029368E-DAF8-4445-A462-E1C3499CE603@twft.com>

1974... That was right around the time that the first crop of liberally oriented students were reaching voting age wasn't it?

Bob


On Jan 10, 2011, at 8:58 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> Nah... I'm not moving to Texas. You've gone soft! In the 70's you could
> shout your wife for infidelity and get away with it.
> 
> In Texas until 1974, a husband who killed a wife and her lover when he
> caught them in flagrante delicto was not judged a criminal. In fact, the law
> held that a "reasonable man" would respond to such extreme provocation with
> acts of violence. -
> source<http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-92216.html>




From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 10 15:27:24 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:27:24 -0800
Subject: When is a Word not a Word?
In-Reply-To: <3DB76C0A-B91C-483F-B2F7-85C6293ABE8A@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <431CB3EB-DCD5-4BD8-996C-000948B7E3B1@mollysrevenge.com>	<4D2A416B.9040502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E2463ED0-0B03-4666-830F-DAF7C9BCC6E4@mollysrevenge.com>
	<4D2A75E4.6010608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3DB76C0A-B91C-483F-B2F7-85C6293ABE8A@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <EF55D5DC-7DBC-46FB-9B55-E30C7F370142@twft.com>

And let's not get started on building an expression with a script, like:

put "put thistime" & theCount & " into theCountVariable" into theCommand
do theCommand

Bob


On Jan 10, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> I've written my own script to globally change the name of a custom property and it's working fine.  I've also realised that looking for strings in a script is pretty complicated because of the many string delimiters that could be present - quotes, comma, open and close brackets, open and close square brackets, etc - so I'll go back to the Find/Replace for that.  I guess I could try using a regular expression but they seem so far removed from the English-like syntax of the rest of LC that I don't think I want to get involved with them!
> 
> Pete Haworth




From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Mon Jan 10 15:37:03 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:37:03 +0100
Subject: Using shell to call Livecode
In-Reply-To: <6D567C2F-712B-4F97-970B-85EE265A12F0@mac.com>
References: <AANLkTi=zv6+EKoMz3sa96moYwiDmXQnHzJxwckM4Z5jH@mail.gmail.com>
	<9FC1C74A-4AD7-4BCF-80D8-9C8B589C3B3C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AANLkTim=WzZf-pQvZFVCxm3Mg=Ey_Qa=CkhEQDD7kQYj@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D567C2F-712B-4F97-970B-85EE265A12F0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <082413C3-E46A-4B09-A1F8-E3C6766CF39C@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Bj?rnke,

> David, you want $.

C'mon, every american wants $! :-D


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 10 15:42:35 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:42:35 -0800
Subject: Using shell to call Livecode
In-Reply-To: <082413C3-E46A-4B09-A1F8-E3C6766CF39C@major.on-rev.com>
References: <AANLkTi=zv6+EKoMz3sa96moYwiDmXQnHzJxwckM4Z5jH@mail.gmail.com>
	<9FC1C74A-4AD7-4BCF-80D8-9C8B589C3B3C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AANLkTim=WzZf-pQvZFVCxm3Mg=Ey_Qa=CkhEQDD7kQYj@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D567C2F-712B-4F97-970B-85EE265A12F0@mac.com>
	<082413C3-E46A-4B09-A1F8-E3C6766CF39C@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <2C05C325-26C8-45BF-9A2B-8FE98978C868@twft.com>

And a bit over half of them want $ without actually having to work for it. ;-)

Bob


On Jan 10, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> Hi Bj?rnke,
> 
>> David, you want $.
> 
> C'mon, every american wants $! :-D
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 
> 
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 10 15:46:32 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:46:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
Message-ID: <981997.80296.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 1/8/11, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> Thanks for taking the time to respond - my interest is in
> real business
> models built around licenses, or other legal innovations -
> and not the
> politics :)**
> 

Well, now that the topic has come up, I have a few questions regarding open source licenses which the community may provide better insight into.

Let's assume I want to make available a new Quartam Smurf Library for LiveCode, as open source. Ignore the Intellectual Property rights of Peyo for a second, it's just the first thing I could think of - I'll leave it up to the psychologists on this list to examine my insanity from that :-)

Anyway, Quartam Smurf Library offers a set of commands and functions to do with Smurfs. Let's say it covers the original 100 Smurfs. I want to give the rest of the community the opportunity to add support for the newer Smurfs that were added afterwards. The library has a number of 'core' commands and functions that are scripted as 'private' and are used by all 'public' commands and functions for the initial 100 Smurfs.

My main goals:
- to make sure that I get proper attribution for my work
- to make sure that anyone who uses the library shares their modifications with the rest of the community
- to run an open community around the library to incorporate the welcome changes into new versions of the library
- to also accommodate those LiveCode-using developers whose corporate policy prevents them from using anything GPL/LGPL/AGPL, by offering it in a commercial license as well

My main concerns:
- it needs to cover Desktop, Mobile, Server and Web plug-in deployments
- it shouldn't be a viral license that requires the whole program to be open source under the same license, just the modifications and extensions of the library
- it should prevent commercial 'wrapping' of the library (*)

(*) what I mean by wrapping: some devious individual could decide to make a derivative version of Quartam Smurf Library, exposing just those core 'private' commands and functions by making them 'public' - thus enabling them to write a 'wrapper' library which is closed source and commercial, not sharing their extensions but making a profit of the work of the contributors.

In short, I'm willing to share my initial work, but others should also share their modifications and extensions with the community.

So far I haven't found the right license for this.
- MIT is too liberal for this, I think
- GPL is viral so out of the question
- LGPL is close but its goal conflicts with Server and Web plug-in
- AGPL has also turned out to be viral, after re-reading it a few times
- MPL might be a candidate, but I'm not sure if it covers all the concerns

Can you guys and gals help me out?

Thanks in advance for the feedback!

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."? (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From warren at warrensweb.us  Mon Jan 10 16:19:54 2011
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:19:54 -0600
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
In-Reply-To: <981997.80296.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <981997.80296.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1294694394.2261.641.camel@mint-i7>

On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 12:46 -0800, Jan Schenkel wrote: 
> --- On Sat, 1/8/11, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > 
> > Thanks for taking the time to respond - my interest is in
> > real business
> > models built around licenses, or other legal innovations -
> > and not the
> > politics :)**
> > 
> 
> Well, now that the topic has come up, I have a few questions regarding open source licenses which the community may provide better insight into.
> 
> Let's assume I want to make available a new Quartam Smurf Library for LiveCode, as open source. Ignore the Intellectual Property rights of Peyo for a second, it's just the first thing I could think of - I'll leave it up to the psychologists on this list to examine my insanity from that :-)
> 
> Anyway, Quartam Smurf Library offers a set of commands and functions to do with Smurfs. Let's say it covers the original 100 Smurfs. I want to give the rest of the community the opportunity to add support for the newer Smurfs that were added afterwards. The library has a number of 'core' commands and functions that are scripted as 'private' and are used by all 'public' commands and functions for the initial 100 Smurfs.
> 
> My main goals:
> - to make sure that I get proper attribution for my work
> - to make sure that anyone who uses the library shares their modifications with the rest of the community
> - to run an open community around the library to incorporate the welcome changes into new versions of the library
> - to also accommodate those LiveCode-using developers whose corporate policy prevents them from using anything GPL/LGPL/AGPL, by offering it in a commercial license as well
> 
> My main concerns:
> - it needs to cover Desktop, Mobile, Server and Web plug-in deployments
> - it shouldn't be a viral license that requires the whole program to be open source under the same license, just the modifications and extensions of the library
> - it should prevent commercial 'wrapping' of the library (*)
> 
> (*) what I mean by wrapping: some devious individual could decide to make a derivative version of Quartam Smurf Library, exposing just those core 'private' commands and functions by making them 'public' - thus enabling them to write a 'wrapper' library which is closed source and commercial, not sharing their extensions but making a profit of the work of the contributors.
> 
> In short, I'm willing to share my initial work, but others should also share their modifications and extensions with the community.
> 
> So far I haven't found the right license for this.
> - MIT is too liberal for this, I think
> - GPL is viral so out of the question
> - LGPL is close but its goal conflicts with Server and Web plug-in
> - AGPL has also turned out to be viral, after re-reading it a few times
> - MPL might be a candidate, but I'm not sure if it covers all the concerns
> 
> Can you guys and gals help me out?
> 
> Thanks in advance for the feedback!
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
> www.quartam.com
> 


Jan,

If this is a new work which does not rely on other works, leaving you
unencumbered by the terms of some other prior license, then you are free
to take your terms to an IP attorney and have him or her create a
license that imposes your terms and your terms alone. In this case,
there is no need to handicap yourself or to accept any terms you really
don't find desirable. While the idea of using an "established" license
has some merit if we believe (imagine) that it means they are well
understood, accepted and adhered to, it's foolish to view any of them as
some kind of "Holy Grail", particularly if your circumstances don't seem
appropriate. 

Warren





From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jan 10 16:44:57 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:44:57 -0800
Subject: Using shell to call Livecode
In-Reply-To: <082413C3-E46A-4B09-A1F8-E3C6766CF39C@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <C950BDD9.4FFA6%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Klaus on-rev wrote:

>> David, you want $.
> 
> C'mon, every american wants $! :-D

Some of us want cheese.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 17:21:46 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:21:46 +0200
Subject: Time Limited Demo
Message-ID: <4D2B867A.1090604@gmail.com>

Is there a way to implment a time-limit
within a Livecode standalone?

AND . . .

Is there a way to "poison someone's machine"
so that they cannot just carry on downloading
time-limited demos everytime one expires?


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Jan 10 17:25:17 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:25:17 +0100
Subject: ANN: Installer Maker Plugin 1.5.3
Message-ID: <258C4DFD-24FE-4102-9568-27B05854CF19@economy-x-talk.com>

Hello,

I needed an installer protected by a password tonight and decided to update the Installer Maker Plugin to include this feature as an option. You can download it at http://rrinstallermaker.economy-x-talk.com . Enjoy.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce




From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon Jan 10 17:27:23 2011
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:27:23 -0800
Subject: Using shell to call Livecode
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim=WzZf-pQvZFVCxm3Mg=Ey_Qa=CkhEQDD7kQYj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=zv6+EKoMz3sa96moYwiDmXQnHzJxwckM4Z5jH@mail.gmail.com>
	<9FC1C74A-4AD7-4BCF-80D8-9C8B589C3B3C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AANLkTim=WzZf-pQvZFVCxm3Mg=Ey_Qa=CkhEQDD7kQYj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <962B8FA2-A397-42D2-AFA2-9C045456C9BF@dvcreators.net>

What external program?

On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:09 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:

> I want to configure an external program to use LiveCode as a web browser
> rather than a default browser - in the config options it allows you to
> specify a command line that will open a browser of you choice with the given
> url:
> 
>> A shell command used to launch your preferred web browser when given a URL as an argument.
>> Defaults to "start" on windows, "open" on Mac, and "firefox" on Unix.
>> 
>> Similar things go for using Livecode as a built in editor for various
> things. I don't want to use AppleScript as i want a cross-platform solution?
> Any suggestions as to what i could try?
> 
> On 10 January 2011 18:36, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com
>> wrote:
> 
>> David,
>> 
>> You can do really nice tricks with the shell and Revolution 3.5 and
>> earlier. I'm not sure about 4 and later.
>> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 10 17:50:28 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:50:28 -0800
Subject: Time Limited Demo
In-Reply-To: <4D2B867A.1090604@gmail.com>
References: <4D2B867A.1090604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3BBC499-84C2-48D8-B32B-4C112E0F948B@twft.com>

Only way I can think of is to put a file in some normally inaccessible place a user would not think to look that tells you the user has exceeded his allotment. There is nothing foolproof however, as we learned in High school, where if you build a better mouse trap, mother nature will build a better mouse. That is to say, all copy protection is by nature doomed to fail. 

Bob


On Jan 10, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Richmond wrote:

> Is there a way to implment a time-limit
> within a Livecode standalone?
> 
> AND . . .
> 
> Is there a way to "poison someone's machine"
> so that they cannot just carry on downloading
> time-limited demos everytime one expires?
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Mon Jan 10 18:04:26 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:04:26 +0000
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
In-Reply-To: <981997.80296.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <981997.80296.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=bJ=vER4-9N6d_LGGXegd5FMZzsvhsEiXZKYrr@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jan _ I don't quite get the exact nature of the private public
distinction you are making - si the source code visible, or are you
referring to a license distinction. From a casual reading it looks a bit
like there is a contradiction in there somewhere - but that most of what you
want can be got with dual licensing.

On 10 January 2011 20:46, Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Sat, 1/8/11, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:
> > [snip]
> >
> > Thanks for taking the time to respond - my interest is in
> > real business
> > models built around licenses, or other legal innovations -
> > and not the
> > politics :)**
> >
>
> Well, now that the topic has come up, I have a few questions regarding open
> source licenses which the community may provide better insight into.
>
> Let's assume I want to make available a new Quartam Smurf Library for
> LiveCode, as open source. Ignore the Intellectual Property rights of Peyo
> for a second, it's just the first thing I could think of - I'll leave it up
> to the psychologists on this list to examine my insanity from that :-)
>
> Anyway, Quartam Smurf Library offers a set of commands and functions to do
> with Smurfs. Let's say it covers the original 100 Smurfs. I want to give the
> rest of the community the opportunity to add support for the newer Smurfs
> that were added afterwards. The library has a number of 'core' commands and
> functions that are scripted as 'private' and are used by all 'public'
> commands and functions for the initial 100 Smurfs.
>
> My main goals:
> - to make sure that I get proper attribution for my work
> - to make sure that anyone who uses the library shares their modifications
> with the rest of the community
> - to run an open community around the library to incorporate the welcome
> changes into new versions of the library
> - to also accommodate those LiveCode-using developers whose corporate
> policy prevents them from using anything GPL/LGPL/AGPL, by offering it in a
> commercial license as well
>
> My main concerns:
> - it needs to cover Desktop, Mobile, Server and Web plug-in deployments
> - it shouldn't be a viral license that requires the whole program to be
> open source under the same license, just the modifications and extensions of
> the library
> - it should prevent commercial 'wrapping' of the library (*)
>
> (*) what I mean by wrapping: some devious individual could decide to make a
> derivative version of Quartam Smurf Library, exposing just those core
> 'private' commands and functions by making them 'public' - thus enabling
> them to write a 'wrapper' library which is closed source and commercial, not
> sharing their extensions but making a profit of the work of the
> contributors.
>
> In short, I'm willing to share my initial work, but others should also
> share their modifications and extensions with the community.
>
> So far I haven't found the right license for this.
> - MIT is too liberal for this, I think
> - GPL is viral so out of the question
> - LGPL is close but its goal conflicts with Server and Web plug-in
> - AGPL has also turned out to be viral, after re-reading it a few times
> - MPL might be a candidate, but I'm not sure if it covers all the concerns
>
> Can you guys and gals help me out?
>
> Thanks in advance for the feedback!
>
> Jan Schenkel.
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
> www.quartam.com
>
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."
> (La Rochefoucauld)
>
>
>
>
>
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 10 18:06:50 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:06:50 -0800
Subject: DataGrid Drag and Drop with Move action
Message-ID: <659CDA23-81D8-41FE-8269-A890E2EBEF6B@twft.com>

Hello. 

Just thought I'd check to see if there is an easy way to move instead of copy data from one datagrid to another. I can hack a way I'm sure, but I figured that:

set the dragAction to "move" -- instead of copy

would do the trick, but no. 

Bob


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Mon Jan 10 18:18:15 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:18:15 -0400
Subject: Stack shape
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilf1sR0I0eCwNSOurHaA8vwpiVmFbzvkjxF1Ur0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca90723f118a7e5a7c96a0ef2b98ece5@65.49.9.11>
	<AANLkTilf1sR0I0eCwNSOurHaA8vwpiVmFbzvkjxF1Ur0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-JfUievna-RBHs86Vdzub+zXDn6N0Q1_2HUKp@mail.gmail.com>

Please Shao can you tell me how to buy this also? I'm trying to make an
application window that adheres to the Mac OS X standards with fat title bar
and rounded corners too. The link to your site's downloads  no longer works.

bill at rainforestinn.com

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Simon Lord <slord at karbonized.com> wrote:

> Bingo.  Payment sent.
>
> Very impressive little external. :)
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> 2) Metal texture is very close but I can't get rid of those 4px wide
> >> borders on either side of the stack.
> >
> >
> > Try out my external http://shaosean.tk/ssMacWindows.html to see if it
> does
> > what you need it to do..
> > Set the metal window property to true
> > Run the "ssSetWindowTexturedSquareCorners" command
> >
> >
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 10 18:57:48 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:57:48 -0800
Subject: What does the DragData contain?
Message-ID: <FEF89BF2-3371-4515-9AEF-77F001F6BF03@twft.com>

Hi all. 

Well I know that I can put something into the dragData["private"] which either makes this a custom behavior, or else an array. I vote for the former. But is there any other "elements" that the dragData contains that I can use? For instance, the source object I drag from? 

I have 3 datagrids. I want to drag from grid1 into grid2 and have the value drop in the first column of grid2. I want to drag from grid3 into grid2 and have the value drop into the 3rd column of grid2. To do that properly, I need the dragDrop handler in grid2 to know where I am dragging from. 

Now I could simply make the dragData["private"] a comma delimited list and then parse it in grid2, but I was thinking there might be a cleaner way for grid2 to know what the source is. I would think the engine would know. I tried to create my own custom key, but of course I cannot do that. The structure seems to be read only. 

Bob





From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Mon Jan 10 19:40:45 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:40:45 +0000
Subject: Using shell to call Livecode
In-Reply-To: <962B8FA2-A397-42D2-AFA2-9C045456C9BF@dvcreators.net>
References: <AANLkTi=zv6+EKoMz3sa96moYwiDmXQnHzJxwckM4Z5jH@mail.gmail.com>
	<9FC1C74A-4AD7-4BCF-80D8-9C8B589C3B3C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AANLkTim=WzZf-pQvZFVCxm3Mg=Ey_Qa=CkhEQDD7kQYj@mail.gmail.com>
	<962B8FA2-A397-42D2-AFA2-9C045456C9BF@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiknXq8Cjny=v7ec3A3SMbHEpfkV1QSzy7hJ6Bxd@mail.gmail.com>

On 10 January 2011 22:27, Josh Mellicker <josh at dvcreators.net> wrote:

> What external program?
>

There's a couple of things in version control systems - command line
utilities that invoke an external editor as part of the script - sometimes
for images, text editors or in this particular case a browser.


From davidocoker at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 22:17:54 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:17:54 -0600
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <DE3B3B90-49DF-4C8F-BED2-D11CCDFCF606@twft.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
	<70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>
	<CB0DC1AD-857D-4006-A5F2-7AED8AE2F3EC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<3E7D9029-602F-456E-9B89-9B5D0466C1C3@twft.com>
	<D70AC311-4CA4-4FA6-8545-90D8371DA9EB@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<1AEC1FE9-C97F-4539-AD1F-A9BA90A525C4@twft.com>
	<72461645-6E5C-4042-95D5-521ADF659830@altuit.com>
	<DE3B3B90-49DF-4C8F-BED2-D11CCDFCF606@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikics+fexmeOAPVKwvq67DgJkZwHUfAfRq+=kew@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm gonna move to the United State of Texas!
>
> Bob

Hummm... sorry, Bob.
Officially it was named "The Republic Of Texas" and as a native Texan
(currently transplanted north of the red river), I'm always ready to
head back "home" should that name ever be applied again.

Even better: Should it ever happen, maybe they will decide to
initially use a Texas birth certificate as a prerequisite for terms of
permanent citizenship. ;-)

@Chipp:
...spoken like a true Texan. Love it!

Best regards,
David C.



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jan 10 22:47:24 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:47:24 -0800
Subject: What does the DragData contain?
In-Reply-To: <FEF89BF2-3371-4515-9AEF-77F001F6BF03@twft.com>
References: <FEF89BF2-3371-4515-9AEF-77F001F6BF03@twft.com>
Message-ID: <54491471406.20110110194724@ahsoftware.net>

Bob-

Monday, January 10, 2011, 3:57:48 PM, you wrote:

> grid2. To do that properly, I need the dragDrop handler in grid2 to
> know where I am dragging from. 

Here's a writeup I did a while back because I can never remember this
stuff (sounds like you might want to query the dragSource):

http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/7124-Pinning-Drag-and-drop-to-the-mat-a-primer

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jan 10 22:51:54 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:51:54 -0800
Subject: Major Problems with Find/Replace
In-Reply-To: <037594C9-6B9E-4F48-9650-0DD44700EDCD@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <3601B1EC-A873-4376-AC62-17949BFF7F47@mollysrevenge.com>
	<33403434812.20110109192008@ahsoftware.net>
	<037594C9-6B9E-4F48-9650-0DD44700EDCD@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <120491741109.20110110195154@ahsoftware.net>

Pete-

Monday, January 10, 2011, 10:04:44 AM, you wrote:

> Yeah, it's on the FInd/Replace dialog you get when the script
> editor is either not open or not in Focus - a check box labelled
> "Custom".  Use it at your won risk though!  I rolled my own script
> to do it.

I've seen the "Custom" checkbox before, but I didn't realize you could
try to replace strings in customproperty names.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Jan 11 00:02:16 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:02:16 -0800
Subject: Custom Print Dialog
In-Reply-To: <4D2A4CC0.3070403@comcast.net>
References: <4D2A4CC0.3070403@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikGR92B5bZwOnYQva1TVw6PqFSGwd8y7e8V_cJS@mail.gmail.com>

Quicken has these issues too  - no custom dialog box for writing checks
except one that opens before to the Print dialog that asks for the starting
number and the app decides how many copies are needed.  I've never changed
the "number of copies" field when using Quicken, but I imagine printing
dupicates of checks with wrong numbers would be bad so I don't do it.
Quicken is a pretty popular app. My take is don't worry about it. You
certainly won't be violating HUI 'standards' whaever they are. Perhaps we
all should give users the benefit of the doubt - can't hand-hold everything,
or provide for every eventuality. Print handlers are complex and best left
to the system way. It would be more of a HUI mistake to make your own dialog
that may throw the user.

MacOS does allow for a special pane for the application - like used in
Safari - and might be something that could be set up with an external.

On 9 January 2011 16:03, Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net> wrote:

> Has anyone rolled their own print dialog for Mac? I'm working on an app
> that I hope to get into the Mac App Store and am concerned about violating
> the HIG. Currently my users have a choice of how many cards to print per
> page, along with a few other options that need to be set before I call for
> the print dialog. I have to inform the user not to change the quantity in
> the subsequent standard mac print dialog, as that will potentially print
> multiple copies of a multi-card page, which might confuse people.
>
> But looking at the dictionary, it doesn't look like there are too many
> options when making you own print dialog. For instance, if you're printing
> to an ink jet printer, I see the only color option is on or off - no control
> over the type of paper (plain, high-gloss, etc). As my printers here don't
> have multiple paper trays, I can't tell if that shows up in printerFeatures.
>
> Any advice for me?
>
> Thank you,
> Marty Knapp
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Jan 11 00:11:55 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:11:55 -0800
Subject: Audioclips: can't get at the data?
In-Reply-To: <1294633048500-3206597.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <AANLkTimU4qV0hnuuNiO+FdJA2ziNUG3k7nPYT_pyz17A@mail.gmail.com>
	<C94CABF7.4FE0E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<AANLkTikbKzpu9kO9mCaykNJO-+ueVU9LE-Vk8VveXxFY@mail.gmail.com>
	<7C79C759-264A-4406-B176-6AADE131E6E3@major.on-rev.com>
	<C94CC942.4FE24%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<AANLkTim_6U2d97S448n5KbduZc9tATJTM_J+AoEHHP3U@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik5eBQCJsEW14hvz5kQGuO6KG-Yj4d+T4rgNvue@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik6d3OVtP8G_MqbqUOW0yyWrbN9wg15aPs6w_pq@mail.gmail.com>
	<1294633048500-3206597.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik4ORAiVi1khXwPxJxGB+nDiqg_VvEe4xPJajZF@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know about merging yet. I'll be happy to export individual files
right now.
Still working on how to determine the

sample rate
bit depth
number of channels
where the audio actually starts in the captured binary.

These might all have to be saved as custom properties of the audioclip when
embedding in the stack, because I'm not sure how Livecode determines these
values before playing.

In the past I've used CPs to save playloudness values in audioclips. Works
great, and travels with the clip.

I will work on this more when I return from Alabama.

sqb

On 9 January 2011 20:17, Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Stephen, These are great news, indeed! :-D
>
> Could we merge many imported audioclips in a
> single audio file?
>
> This would make a lot easier to recreate
> apps like "Mozart's Musical Game" in this
> platform
>
> These messages reads like the continuation
> of this thread from last May:
>
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Rev-audio-clips-td2221758.html
>
> Al
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Audioclips-can-t-get-at-the-data-tp3179278p3206597.html
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Tue Jan 11 00:36:06 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:36:06 -0800
Subject: Custom Print Dialog
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikGR92B5bZwOnYQva1TVw6PqFSGwd8y7e8V_cJS@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D2A4CC0.3070403@comcast.net>
	<AANLkTikGR92B5bZwOnYQva1TVw6PqFSGwd8y7e8V_cJS@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D2BEC46.5080402@comcast.net>

Thank you for your thoughts Stephen, I appreciate it.

Marty Knapp
> Quicken has these issues too  - no custom dialog box for writing checks
> except one that opens before to the Print dialog that asks for the starting
> number and the app decides how many copies are needed.  I've never changed
> the "number of copies" field when using Quicken, but I imagine printing
> dupicates of checks with wrong numbers would be bad so I don't do it.
> Quicken is a pretty popular app. My take is don't worry about it. You
> certainly won't be violating HUI 'standards' whaever they are. Perhaps we
> all should give users the benefit of the doubt - can't hand-hold everything,
> or provide for every eventuality. Print handlers are complex and best left
> to the system way. It would be more of a HUI mistake to make your own dialog
> that may throw the user.
>
> MacOS does allow for a special pane for the application - like used in
> Safari - and might be something that could be set up with an external.
>
> On 9 January 2011 16:03, Marty Knapp<martyknapp at comcast.net>  wrote:
>
>> Has anyone rolled their own print dialog for Mac? I'm working on an app
>> that I hope to get into the Mac App Store and am concerned about violating
>> the HIG. Currently my users have a choice of how many cards to print per
>> page, along with a few other options that need to be set before I call for
>> the print dialog. I have to inform the user not to change the quantity in
>> the subsequent standard mac print dialog, as that will potentially print
>> multiple copies of a multi-card page, which might confuse people.
>>
>> But looking at the dictionary, it doesn't look like there are too many
>> options when making you own print dialog. For instance, if you're printing
>> to an ink jet printer, I see the only color option is on or off - no control
>> over the type of paper (plain, high-gloss, etc). As my printers here don't
>> have multiple paper trays, I can't tell if that shows up in printerFeatures.
>>
>> Any advice for me?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Marty Knapp




From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 11 01:02:36 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 22:02:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
In-Reply-To: <1294694394.2261.641.camel@mint-i7>
Message-ID: <758086.22899.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 1/10/11, Warren Samples <warren at warrensweb.us> wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 12:46 -0800,
> Jan Schenkel wrote: 
> > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>
> wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > > 
> > > Thanks for taking the time to respond - my
> interest is in
> > > real business
> > > models built around licenses, or other legal
> innovations -
> > > and not the
> > > politics :)**
> > > 
> > 
> > Well, now that the topic has come up, I have a few
> questions regarding open source licenses which the community
> may provide better insight into.
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > In short, I'm willing to share my initial work, but
> others should also share their modifications and extensions
> with the community.
> > 
> > So far I haven't found the right license for this.
> > - MIT is too liberal for this, I think
> > - GPL is viral so out of the question
> > - LGPL is close but its goal conflicts with Server and
> Web plug-in
> > - AGPL has also turned out to be viral, after
> re-reading it a few times
> > - MPL might be a candidate, but I'm not sure if it
> covers all the concerns
> > 
> > Can you guys and gals help me out?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance for the feedback!
> > 
> > Jan Schenkel.
> > 
> 
> 
> Jan,
> 
> If this is a new work which does not rely on other works,
> leaving you
> unencumbered by the terms of some other prior license, then
> you are free
> to take your terms to an IP attorney and have him or her
> create a
> license that imposes your terms and your terms alone. In
> this case,
> there is no need to handicap yourself or to accept any
> terms you really
> don't find desirable. While the idea of using an
> "established" license
> has some merit if we believe (imagine) that it means they
> are well
> understood, accepted and adhered to, it's foolish to view
> any of them as
> some kind of "Holy Grail", particularly if your
> circumstances don't seem
> appropriate. 
> 
> Warren
> 

Hi Warren,

There is always the option of crafting a new license, but then compatibility questions arise, such as 'Is it GPL compatible?' for those that wish to combine the library with other works.
So if there is an existing one out there that fits the bill, I would prefer to adopt that.

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Tue Jan 11 06:50:18 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:50:18 +0000
Subject: Somewhat OT: Revolutionaries, Scotland and Texas
Message-ID: <AANLkTim1rTOyHXeh5F4hAvYJevYwmqpW+fiFjXOO9Sb_@mail.gmail.com>

As part of my ongoing research into the effects of coding practices, and
legal frameworks, on serious crime rates around the world, I've dug up some
surprising correlations. Many analysts have argued that the major factors in
violent crime and property crime, have been due to factors such as drug use,
penal policy, and the ability of citizens to provide an effective deterrent
(such as gun possession).

Please note that despite disproportionally affecting young males, "penal
policy", has nothing whatsoever to do with the "male member". The Latin
routes are quite distinct with penal deriving from from the "poenalis" -
that is pertaining to punishment, and not "penis" (the male member or
"tail"), whose proper adjective would be "penial" in any case. I digress.

On 8 January 2011 06:13, Chipp Walters <chipp at altuit.com> wrote:

>
> (In fact, in Texas, I'm allowed to shoot a robber as he's carrying out a
> TV, in the back, who is robbing my neighbor's house...while they're away...
> Yep, we don't have too many home invasions here. And we balance our budget
> each year).
>

Unfortunately there are no good figures for distinguishing 'home invasion"
from burglaries, and so in the interests of objectivity we are forced to
discuss the more general category, which in the light of Chipps point is a
pity. Interestingly despite popular opinion to the contrary, Texas does not
fare as badly with regard to violent crime, as it does when it comes to
burglary - coming 7th in the national league
tables<http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm>for burglary in
2005, and only 14th for violent crime. For reference the
same figures for New York at that time were more even coming 46th and 48th
respectively. Texan cities, feature heavily in the top league table slots
for burglary<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate>,
but again do not fare as badly for forcible rape (with the exception of Corpus
Christi <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Christi,_Texas>), aggravated
assault, or murder.

It would seem that gun ownership, 3 strikes laws, and the like have little
to do with burglary rates comparatively or absolutely. On the other hand
this may not be the case for the ownership of a Revolution or LiveCode
license.

   - Graph of Global Burglary
Trends<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Burglaries_per_1,000_pop.svg>

What is striking about this graph is both the extremely high burglary rates
in Scotland, as well as the precipitate fall after mid 1992. Interestingly
this is the exact same time (June 1992), that Metacard released version 1.0
of the language that we now all know and love as LiveCode. This explains
many things. Why for instance do Scotland, Texas, Australia, and even Brazil
feature so heavily in our community? Is there perhaps a rational explanation
why adoption of Livecode is so strongly correlated with high property crime
rates - and could this perhaps be the underlying reason for the re-branding
of the language from Revolution to LiveCode?

There are of course a number of things left unexplained by this analysis,
why burglary rates failed to decrease after the introduction of MetaCard in
Australia for instance (more recent figures may shed light on this). But in
general it goes a long way to explain why such a uniquely skewed collection
of crime plagued participants, have managed to create one of the most
peaceful, and nurturing programming communities on the web.

Long Live LiveCode!


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Jan 11 07:00:25 2011
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:00:25 +0000
Subject: Somewhat OT: Revolutionaries, Scotland and Texas
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim1rTOyHXeh5F4hAvYJevYwmqpW+fiFjXOO9Sb_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim1rTOyHXeh5F4hAvYJevYwmqpW+fiFjXOO9Sb_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D2C4659.8080102@cogapp.com>

David,

I think I love you.

Ben



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Tue Jan 11 07:12:47 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:12:47 +0000
Subject: Somewhat OT: Revolutionaries, Scotland and Texas
In-Reply-To: <4D2C4659.8080102@cogapp.com>
References: <AANLkTim1rTOyHXeh5F4hAvYJevYwmqpW+fiFjXOO9Sb_@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2C4659.8080102@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikKy-T0sE1eh6+vU=3reuL7aPnzOywvY6ZrUoA1@mail.gmail.com>

Send us your mobile and let's hook up.

On 11 January 2011 12:00, Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:

> David,
>
> I think I love you.
>
> Ben
>


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 08:14:20 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:14:20 -0500
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=n7KknUqZaUTvMMvuYSJmP0dj5gX+iFqURnktO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
	<70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>
	<CB0DC1AD-857D-4006-A5F2-7AED8AE2F3EC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<3E7D9029-602F-456E-9B89-9B5D0466C1C3@twft.com>
	<D70AC311-4CA4-4FA6-8545-90D8371DA9EB@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<1AEC1FE9-C97F-4539-AD1F-A9BA90A525C4@twft.com>
	<72461645-6E5C-4042-95D5-521ADF659830@altuit.com>
	<AANLkTi=n7KknUqZaUTvMMvuYSJmP0dj5gX+iFqURnktO@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A3478633-1A57-4A40-8435-987836110E46@gmail.com>

On Jan 10, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Mike Kerner wrote:

>> (In fact, in Texas, I'm allowed to shoot a robber as he's carrying  
>> out a
>> TV, in the back, who is robbing my neighbor's house...while they're  
>> away...
>> Yep, we don't have too many home invasions here. And we balance our  
>> budget
>> each year).
>> :-p
>>
>>
> LIKE!

Actually, Texans are about to discover that their state faces an  
enormous budget crisis stemming from their regressive tax policy. But  
this is getting waaaay off topic, and I think we should keep politics  
off this list.

Besides, Texas doesn't have any cheese worth mentioning....    :-)

(now I've crossed the line!)

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig






From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jan 11 11:16:34 2011
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:16:34 +0000
Subject: Time Limited Demo
In-Reply-To: <C3BBC499-84C2-48D8-B32B-4C112E0F948B@twft.com>
References: <4D2B867A.1090604@gmail.com>
	<C3BBC499-84C2-48D8-B32B-4C112E0F948B@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D2C8262.3020504@tweedly.net>

As Bob says, every scheme can be got around somehow; you just need to 
make your scheme strong enough to protect your demo.

You could do something like:

1. Make two programs - an 'installer' and the actual demo.
2. Users download the installer; the installer downloads and decrypts 
the demo.
     (NB always in one step, don't allow the demo to be downloaded by 
other means and then decrypted).

This ensures that the installer will always operate with an internet 
connection to do the download, therefore it can also do any checks you 
want it to do.

3. The installer gathers some info from the machine (say, all MAC 
addresses it can find, maybe public IP address).
4. It then uses a cgi program on the server to upload and compare these 
against a list of previous downloading machines.
5. If not found - add them to the list of machines, and proceed with the 
download.
6. If already there - give user a message saying that this appears to be 
a repeat of a previous download, and invite them to send a manual 
request for permission. If they have a good reason (and there might well 
be some cases of this), you can then remove the machine from the list 
and they can then download successfully.

It goes without saying that any info about their machine that you intend 
to gather and upload must be described in the T&C and should be as 
'non-personal' as possible (i.e. MAC address but not the machine's 
hostname or workgroup name), and for completeness I would suggest giving 
them the option of viewing the info before you upload it, and requiring 
them to give permission to proceed with the upload.

-- Alex.


On 10/01/2011 22:50, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Only way I can think of is to put a file in some normally inaccessible place a user would not think to look that tells you the user has exceeded his allotment. There is nothing foolproof however, as we learned in High school, where if you build a better mouse trap, mother nature will build a better mouse. That is to say, all copy protection is by nature doomed to fail.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to implment a time-limit
>> within a Livecode standalone?
>>
>> AND . . .
>>
>> Is there a way to "poison someone's machine"
>> so that they cannot just carry on downloading
>> time-limited demos everytime one expires?
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue Jan 11 12:13:26 2011
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:13:26 +0100
Subject: Commercial - Desktop vs Desktop ISV
Message-ID: <9D387B9D-9D56-427D-96F0-3E0D6B20F154@ezpzapps.com>

Can anyone explain the difference between: Commercial - Desktop vs Desktop ISV versions of LC to me?

I'm not understanding it.


sims







From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 11 12:21:35 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 09:21:35 -0800
Subject: What does the DragData contain?
In-Reply-To: <54491471406.20110110194724@ahsoftware.net>
References: <FEF89BF2-3371-4515-9AEF-77F001F6BF03@twft.com>
	<54491471406.20110110194724@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C38D341B-B086-46F0-8543-BDFF83DD3241@twft.com>

Thanks Mark that clears a lot of things up. I found that by getting the short name of the source and destination, I can tell what column in each I am dragging from and to. 

One thing that would have been nice would have been to get a single column of data in a data grid with multiple columns. In fact, a command that gave me a column in ANY list or array would have been nice, but I know I will have to roll my own. Not a problem, just inconvenient. 

My goal is to drop a value onto a column in a multicolumn grid and have the value placed after the last value in that column. Picture something like Filemaker's data import dialog, where you can drag fields from the source and destination into a "merge table" and define the action by clicking a center column. That is what I am working on. 

While it's fun, I find myself spending an inordinate amount of time figuring out just how datagrids work, and how to implement drag and drop between them. Still, it's not time wasted, it's time spent getting an education. :-)


Bob


On Jan 10, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Bob-
> 
> Monday, January 10, 2011, 3:57:48 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> grid2. To do that properly, I need the dragDrop handler in grid2 to
>> know where I am dragging from. 
> 
> Here's a writeup I did a while back because I can never remember this
> stuff (sounds like you might want to query the dragSource):
> 
> http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/7124-Pinning-Drag-and-drop-to-the-mat-a-primer
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 12:21:58 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:21:58 +0200
Subject: Time Limited Demo
In-Reply-To: <4D2C8262.3020504@tweedly.net>
References: <4D2B867A.1090604@gmail.com>	<C3BBC499-84C2-48D8-B32B-4C112E0F948B@twft.com>
	<4D2C8262.3020504@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <4D2C91B6.4020609@gmail.com>

Thanks both; I found out how to set up a time-limited demo from a fairly
old postiing on the RunRev Forums.

My problems now are:

1. I would rather the initiation time were the time the end-user 
downloads the thing rather than
some absolute time.

2. The problem you talk about below: how to stop people returning for 
'second helpings'.

3. Given the chance I would love to do the whole thing inside Livecode.

On 01/11/2011 06:16 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
> As Bob says, every scheme can be got around somehow; you just need to 
> make your scheme strong enough to protect your demo.
>
> You could do something like:
>
> 1. Make two programs - an 'installer' and the actual demo.
> 2. Users download the installer; the installer downloads and decrypts 
> the demo.
>     (NB always in one step, don't allow the demo to be downloaded by 
> other means and then decrypted).
>
> This ensures that the installer will always operate with an internet 
> connection to do the download, therefore it can also do any checks you 
> want it to do.
>
> 3. The installer gathers some info from the machine (say, all MAC 
> addresses it can find, maybe public IP address).
> 4. It then uses a cgi program on the server to upload and compare 
> these against a list of previous downloading machines.
> 5. If not found - add them to the list of machines, and proceed with 
> the download.
> 6. If already there - give user a message saying that this appears to 
> be a repeat of a previous download, and invite them to send a manual 
> request for permission. If they have a good reason (and there might 
> well be some cases of this), you can then remove the machine from the 
> list and they can then download successfully.
>
> It goes without saying that any info about their machine that you 
> intend to gather and upload must be described in the T&C and should be 
> as 'non-personal' as possible (i.e. MAC address but not the machine's 
> hostname or workgroup name), and for completeness I would suggest 
> giving them the option of viewing the info before you upload it, and 
> requiring them to give permission to proceed with the upload.
>
> -- Alex.
>
>
> On 10/01/2011 22:50, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> Only way I can think of is to put a file in some normally 
>> inaccessible place a user would not think to look that tells you the 
>> user has exceeded his allotment. There is nothing foolproof however, 
>> as we learned in High school, where if you build a better mouse trap, 
>> mother nature will build a better mouse. That is to say, all copy 
>> protection is by nature doomed to fail.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Richmond wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a way to implment a time-limit
>>> within a Livecode standalone?
>>>
>>> AND . . .
>>>
>>> Is there a way to "poison someone's machine"
>>> so that they cannot just carry on downloading
>>> time-limited demos everytime one expires?
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue Jan 11 12:22:13 2011
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:22:13 +0100
Subject: Commercial - Desktop vs Desktop ISV
Message-ID: <5C31C615-7429-4874-AB7A-FAEF494386F8@ezpzapps.com>

On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Jim Sims wrote:

> Can anyone explain the difference between: Commercial - Desktop vs Desktop ISV versions of LC to me?
> 
> I'm not understanding it.

I should have added, I can see that it adds Linux but what other differences are there?


sims







From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 11 12:37:42 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 09:37:42 -0800
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <A3478633-1A57-4A40-8435-987836110E46@gmail.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
	<70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>
	<CB0DC1AD-857D-4006-A5F2-7AED8AE2F3EC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<3E7D9029-602F-456E-9B89-9B5D0466C1C3@twft.com>
	<D70AC311-4CA4-4FA6-8545-90D8371DA9EB@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<1AEC1FE9-C97F-4539-AD1F-A9BA90A525C4@twft.com>
	<72461645-6E5C-4042-95D5-521ADF659830@altuit.com>
	<AANLkTi=n7KknUqZaUTvMMvuYSJmP0dj5gX+iFqURnktO@mail.gmail.com>
	<A3478633-1A57-4A40-8435-987836110E46@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1843F227-6EFE-4815-BEA3-8FD9EE6348A1@twft.com>

Waaaiiiit a doggone minute! Take your political shot and then call cooties?? NO FAIR! The budget crisis there, ANY government budget crisis ANYWHERE, is NEVER due to tax policies. It's due to insanely irresponsible politicians spending money they do not have, and then signing into law binding contracts to continue to spend money perpetually without funding it, in exchange for "favors" from the benefitting parties. Saying budget crises are the result of tax policies is like saying credit card debt is the result of low interest rates! IT'S THE RESULT OF THE CARDHOLDER SPENDING TOO MUCH!!!

Okay now I'm done. Besides this is not a discussion about politics, it's a discussion about economics. 

Bob


On Jan 11, 2011, at 5:14 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:

> Actually, Texans are about to discover that their state faces an enormous budget crisis stemming from their regressive tax policy. But this is getting waaaay off topic, and I think we should keep politics off this list.
> 
> Besides, Texas doesn't have any cheese worth mentioning....    :-)
> 
> (now I've crossed the line!)
> 
> -- Peter
> 
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Jan 11 12:56:31 2011
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:56:31 -0700
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <1843F227-6EFE-4815-BEA3-8FD9EE6348A1@twft.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
	<70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>
	<CB0DC1AD-857D-4006-A5F2-7AED8AE2F3EC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<3E7D9029-602F-456E-9B89-9B5D0466C1C3@twft.com>
	<D70AC311-4CA4-4FA6-8545-90D8371DA9EB@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<1AEC1FE9-C97F-4539-AD1F-A9BA90A525C4@twft.com>
	<72461645-6E5C-4042-95D5-521ADF659830@altuit.com>
	<AANLkTi=n7KknUqZaUTvMMvuYSJmP0dj5gX+iFqURnktO@mail.gmail.com>
	<A3478633-1A57-4A40-8435-987836110E46@gmail.com>
	<1843F227-6EFE-4815-BEA3-8FD9EE6348A1@twft.com>
Message-ID: <3E70268C-1ECF-4570-AFB6-1F8C9C7448DE@byu.edu>


On Jan 11, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Waaaiiiit a doggone minute! Take your political shot and then call cooties?? NO FAIR! The budget crisis there, ANY government budget crisis ANYWHERE, is NEVER due to tax policies. It's due to insanely irresponsible politicians spending money they do not have, and then signing into law binding contracts to continue to spend money perpetually without funding it, in exchange for "favors" from the benefitting parties. Saying budget crises are the result of tax policies is like saying credit card debt is the result of low interest rates! IT'S THE RESULT OF THE CARDHOLDER SPENDING TOO MUCH!!!
> 
> Okay now I'm done. Besides this is not a discussion about politics, it's a discussion about economics. 

And cheese.


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University




From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 11 13:10:53 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:10:53 -0800
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <3E70268C-1ECF-4570-AFB6-1F8C9C7448DE@byu.edu>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<EF3AF36C-94CD-47E1-8A25-B7342751BB42@twft.com>
	<98741840-E1C8-4D5F-B2FF-C6FA4C01CA48@verizon.net>
	<70A1DEEB-350D-4B9F-901A-1DA1A4165391@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<748284CB-05E4-4B2F-8D83-39A151A22177@twft.com>
	<CB0DC1AD-857D-4006-A5F2-7AED8AE2F3EC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<3E7D9029-602F-456E-9B89-9B5D0466C1C3@twft.com>
	<D70AC311-4CA4-4FA6-8545-90D8371DA9EB@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<1AEC1FE9-C97F-4539-AD1F-A9BA90A525C4@twft.com>
	<72461645-6E5C-4042-95D5-521ADF659830@altuit.com>
	<AANLkTi=n7KknUqZaUTvMMvuYSJmP0dj5gX+iFqURnktO@mail.gmail.com>
	<A3478633-1A57-4A40-8435-987836110E46@gmail.com>
	<1843F227-6EFE-4815-BEA3-8FD9EE6348A1@twft.com>
	<3E70268C-1ECF-4570-AFB6-1F8C9C7448DE@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <432CB34D-F460-4B8C-BC71-9522DFB1727A@twft.com>

By the by, I think that if a State is not allowed by law to declare bankruptcy, then it also should not be allowed to make binding contracts or borrow money. Furthermore, all previous contracts should be declared null and void. Let's vote THAT into our state constitutions and then we will be well on our way to recovery!

Bob


On Jan 11, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

> 
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> Waaaiiiit a doggone minute! Take your political shot and then call cooties?? NO FAIR! The budget crisis there, ANY government budget crisis ANYWHERE, is NEVER due to tax policies. It's due to insanely irresponsible politicians spending money they do not have, and then signing into law binding contracts to continue to spend money perpetually without funding it, in exchange for "favors" from the benefitting parties. Saying budget crises are the result of tax policies is like saying credit card debt is the result of low interest rates! IT'S THE RESULT OF THE CARDHOLDER SPENDING TOO MUCH!!!
>> 
>> Okay now I'm done. Besides this is not a discussion about politics, it's a discussion about economics. 
> 
> And cheese.
> 
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
> 
> 
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From jeff at siphonophore.com  Tue Jan 11 14:31:32 2011
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:31:32 -0500
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1294768803.27986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294768803.27986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <863796A5-18E1-4019-90B6-5E7217E79B9A@siphonophore.com>

Peter,

thats cause those cows are for eatin, not milkin! cheese is that  
yeller stuff you put on the burgers!

cheers

jeff (who has about 150 texan relatives)



On Jan 11, 2011, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Besides, Texas doesn't have any cheese worth mentioning....    :-)




From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 14:34:57 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:34:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Somewhat OT: Revolutionaries, Scotland and Texas
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim1rTOyHXeh5F4hAvYJevYwmqpW+fiFjXOO9Sb_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim1rTOyHXeh5F4hAvYJevYwmqpW+fiFjXOO9Sb_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1294774497203-3209550.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi David,


David Bovill-5 wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> But in general it goes a long way to explain why such a uniquely skewed
> collection
> of crime plagued participants, have managed to create one of the most
> peaceful, and nurturing programming communities on the web.
> 

The plain truth is that my participation within this Software developers
community is my best experience of personal contact with people from
other countries. :-D

You do not want to hear about all foreign criminals that appear in this
country,
commit their crimes and leave unscathed... :-(

or who knows, maybe you want to read about it. :-/

Better yet, read some thoughtful advice about what you should not do in
other
countries, or you run into the risk of being labelled as one of these
criminals. ;-)

Alejandro

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From heather at runrev.com  Tue Jan 11 14:44:36 2011
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:44:36 +0000
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <863796A5-18E1-4019-90B6-5E7217E79B9A@siphonophore.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294768803.27986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<863796A5-18E1-4019-90B6-5E7217E79B9A@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <41E2A588-8F76-42BD-A258-ED9E38BF4F3B@runrev.com>

I distinctly heard the word cheese mentioned several times...

You know the rules, no politics, no cheese!

Shocked.

Listmom


On 11 Jan 2011, at 19:31, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

> Peter,
>
> thats cause those cows are for eatin, not milkin! cheese is that  
> yeller stuff you put on the burgers!
>
> cheers
>
> jeff (who has about 150 texan relatives)
>
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Besides, Texas doesn't have any cheese worth mentioning....    :-)
>
>
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 11 14:54:54 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:54:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
Message-ID: <240417.76325.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 1/10/11, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:
> Hi Jan _ I don't quite get the exact
> nature of the private public
> distinction you are making - si the source code visible, or
> are you
> referring to a license distinction. From a casual reading
> it looks a bit
> like there is a contradiction in there somewhere - but that
> most of what you
> want can be got with dual licensing.
> 

Hi David,

Maybe I was throwing a few too many things onto a single pile :-)

Often library stacks use 'script local' variables to store data, and 'private' commands and functions to hide the innards. Example:

##

--> constants and local variables

local sSmurfsA -- internal smurf data array

--> event handlers

on libraryStack
? p_qrtSmurf_LoadCoreData
? pass ibraryStack
end libraryStack

--> public handlers

command qrtSmurf_DoSmurf pSmurfName
? -- does something important based on pSmurfName and sSmurfsA
end qrtSmurf_DoSmurf

command qrtSmurf_UpdateSmurf pNewSmurfData
? -- does some sanity checking and then modifies sSmurfsA
? put line 3 of pToSmurfData into sSmurfsA[tIndex]["intelligence"]
end qrtSmurf_UpdateSmurf

command qrtSmurf_XYZ pX, pY, pZ
? -- does some sanity checking and calls private commands to do the work
? p_qrtSmurf_ABC pX, pY, p_qrtSmurf_BCD(pY, pZ)
end qrtSmurf_XYZ

--> private handlers

private command p_qrtSmurf_LoadCoreData
? -- does all sort of things to fill the sSmurfsA variable
end p_qrtSmurf_LoadCoreData

private command p_qrtSmurf_ABC pX, pY
? -- no sanity checks ; subject to change in newer versions
end p_qrtSmurf_ABC

private function p_qrtSmurf_BCD pY, pZ
? -- no sanity checks ; subject to change in newer versions
end p_qrtSmurf_BCD

##

Outside of the script, you cannot access the 'script local' variables or call the 'private' handlers, as they are properly encapsulated. Only the rest of the handlers that are meant for 'public' use are not tagged 'private' and offer the official API of the library. All the rest is internal and subject to change.

Now it may sound far-fetched, but suppose some enterprising individual says "Hmm, I really like that open source Smurf library, and I'm going to make some money - but I don't want to share back my extensions"
What he can do, is take the library, remove the 'private' qualifier from the handlers that he needs access to, and add a few more commands and handlers to read/write the sSmurfsA variable as he sees fit.

Then he wraps this modified version of Quartam Smurf Library, writing ACME Smurf Library with a few new commands and functions, using the now exposed handlers and variables to inject data. Meanwhile, the heavy lifting is still done by Quartam Smurf Library.

And now he can even charge for his ACME Smurf Library. As long as he's sharing the 'cracked open' version of Quartam Smurf Library. From my reading of the more liberal FOSS licenses, there is nothing you can do: he's 'sharing his changes' to the Quartam Smurf Library, but morally he is clearly abusing it.

The only option then becomes mucking around the internals in every release, to give the abuser a tough time, and meanwhile try to catch up with the extras he implemented but doesn't want to share. An annoying cat-and-mouse game...

The LGPL license is rather close to what I'm looking for, as it does allow using the LGPL-ed library in commercial work, as long as you keep it external from the main program, allowing the user to re-link to a newer version of the library.

Unfortunately, that's where the problem comes in for LiveCode Web plugin revlets: the stack and its substacks all become part of a single package that can't be taken apart by the end-user to re-link it with a newer version of the library. So technically, this would be a violation of the license.

And for some advocates of the xGPL license series, that doesn't offer a real solution for the grey area of LiveCode Server either: as the end-user only has the finished html product, their freedom is limited. Frankly, I don't care so much about that as long as the changes to the library are shared and available, and the license documentation and copyright requirements are upheld.

So it looks like there's no readily available FOSS license that covers these concerns; and would it even be feasible to enforce a different license per LiveCode deployment options?

I'm not aiming to be a PITA for open source advocates. I'm willing to share, but want it done 'right' so that everyone can enjoy the benefits of my work, and hopefully contributors will join in to make it even better.

Surely I can't be the only one in the community scratching their heads about these sort of FOSS license details?

Thanks in advance for all your feedback,

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."? (La Rochefoucauld)




      



From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Tue Jan 11 14:57:15 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:57:15 +0000
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <41E2A588-8F76-42BD-A258-ED9E38BF4F3B@runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294768803.27986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<863796A5-18E1-4019-90B6-5E7217E79B9A@siphonophore.com>
	<41E2A588-8F76-42BD-A258-ED9E38BF4F3B@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DED5821C-0FB6-490B-A7DC-9F6D73842DB5@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

...that's right, Gromit - there's no cheese here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciayqUMCViY&NR=1

On 11 Jan 2011, at 19:44, Heather Nagey wrote:

> I distinctly heard the word cheese mentioned several times...
> 
> You know the rules, no politics, no cheese!
> 
> Shocked.
> 
> Listmom
> 
> 
> On 11 Jan 2011, at 19:31, Jeff Reynolds wrote:
> 
>> Peter,
>> 
>> thats cause those cows are for eatin, not milkin! cheese is that yeller stuff you put on the burgers!
>> 
>> cheers
>> 
>> jeff (who has about 150 texan relatives)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Besides, Texas doesn't have any cheese worth mentioning....    :-)
>> 
>> 
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Jan 11 15:05:01 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:05:01 +0100
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <41E2A588-8F76-42BD-A258-ED9E38BF4F3B@runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294768803.27986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<863796A5-18E1-4019-90B6-5E7217E79B9A@siphonophore.com>
	<41E2A588-8F76-42BD-A258-ED9E38BF4F3B@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <365C5200-F7C1-4BB3-B6C2-40F05108FF32@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all,

Am 11.01.2011 um 20:44 schrieb Heather Nagey:

> I distinctly heard the word cheese mentioned several times...
> You know the rules, no politics, no cheese!
> Shocked.
> 
> Listmom

damn, I knew this wouldn't go unnoticed... :-D


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Tue Jan 11 16:10:59 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:10:59 +0000
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
In-Reply-To: <240417.76325.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <240417.76325.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiknWWHprXJTM2rDFqHZWH0zye6+ZSViPHdERFSy@mail.gmail.com>

In general Jan, I share your aims here, and there is I feel a clear
solution, some of which can be addressed by choosing the right license, but
I' still like to get clear about some of the things you are trying to do.
Maybe we can talk on Skype, as I'm doing quite a lot of work in this area at
the moment - and email is maybe better after a good chat?

On 11 January 2011 19:54, Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Often library stacks use 'script local' variables to store data, and
> 'private' commands and functions to hide the innards. Example:
>

Ah OK - got you....


> Now it may sound far-fetched, but suppose some enterprising individual says
> "Hmm, I really like that open source Smurf library, and I'm going to make
> some money - but I don't want to share back my extensions"
>

The only way to force sharing back is to "force sharing back" = viral GPL
clause. There is no non-viral way to do this.


> And now he can even charge for his ACME Smurf Library.


That is of course always possible with open source licenses - though the
non-commercial CC content licenses forbid this.


> As long as he's sharing the 'cracked open' version of Quartam Smurf
> Library. From my reading of the more liberal FOSS licenses, there is nothing
> you can do: he's 'sharing his changes' to the Quartam Smurf Library, but
> morally he is clearly abusing it.
>

Still not quite clear. Do you want people to be able to adapt / improve and
change the private handlers? Or do you want these fixed under your control
only? I'm assuming you want them open and the changes shared back - so it's
his ability to copy and not share back that you want to prevent.


Frankly, I don't care so much about that as long as the changes to the
> library are shared and available, and the license documentation and
> copyright requirements are upheld.
>

This sounds like the same mix of requirements that I think will work best
for a number of developers. That is:

   1. Open source libraries that you can use freely, modify, and combine
   with other peoples source code from the community
   2. Ensure that accreditation is given to the main contributors
   3. Give the maximum legal protection to the authors - so they can sleep
   at night

But, I think we would agree that we'd also like:

   - To allow individuals and commercial companies to release software which
   combines their own closed code along side the above open source - without
   forcing them to open their code.
   - But to as strongly as possible encourage authors to feed back useful
   improvements to the core libraries, and not simply take the benefits without
   contributing back.

It is that latter two points that tend to contradict each other. If you want
to allow companies the (non-viral) freedom to release software that uses the
library - then you can use a permissive (ie MIT/X11 style) license. But then
this contradicts the second intention - and people can easily just take and
not go to the trouble of feeding back. In this situation authors can take
advantage of dual licensing. I'm not entirely sure, but it feels like this
is the contradiction you are wrestling with?

As an example of this, I'll be releasing my code under both GPL and a closed
commercial license. Educators, hobbyists and members of the community can
use all of it for free in commercial or non-commercial apps, but they must
publish the full source code of their apps, so that any modifications or
additions can be rolled back into core code by the community. This is fully
viral. However, anyone wishing to include parts or all of this code in
closed apps can do so by taking out a separate closed license, which will
come as one of the benefits of taking out an annual subscription to the
project.

This can be done on a per-project basis, but I also think (for reasons of
scale), it will be useful to have a general community owned project in which
any commercial revenue is re-invested in new open source code paid directly
to freelance members of the community. This community project is what I am
working on as part of Live Code TV, with the aim of launching it at the
forthcoming conference. A good chunk of it will be the legal framework
needed to make this run smoothly, but there will also be a bunch of tools to
make the sharing as painless and fun as possible.

Stay tuned to LiveCode TV, and drop into ChatRev to get a sneak peak :)


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 17:08:11 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 00:08:11 +0200
Subject: Fit content
Message-ID: <4D2CD4CB.7040700@gmail.com>

On the 'Size & Position' Panel of the Prefs pane for a field
there are 2 "Fit content" buttons; one for width and one for
height.

Does anybody know how to script a button to 'fit content'
of a textField ?


From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Tue Jan 11 17:21:25 2011
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 22:21:25 +0000
Subject: Fit content
In-Reply-To: <4D2CD4CB.7040700@gmail.com>
References: <4D2CD4CB.7040700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-w57ABCC6883A448D8FDE22BED0F0@phx.gbl>


Have a look at 'formattedHeight' and 'formattedWidth' in the dictionary... :-)


> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com

> On the 'Size & Position' Panel of the Prefs pane for a field
> there are 2 "Fit content" buttons; one for width and one for
> height.
> 
> Does anybody know how to script a button to 'fit content'
> of a textField ?

 		 	   		  

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 17:26:33 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 00:26:33 +0200
Subject: Fit content
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-w57ABCC6883A448D8FDE22BED0F0@phx.gbl>
References: <4D2CD4CB.7040700@gmail.com>
	<BAY152-w57ABCC6883A448D8FDE22BED0F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D2CD919.5090207@gmail.com>

On 01/12/2011 12:21 AM, John Dixon wrote:
> Have a look at 'formattedHeight' and 'formattedWidth' in the dictionary... :-)
>
>
Thanks a lot . ..  :)


From james at thehales.id.au  Tue Jan 11 19:52:00 2011
From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:52:00 +1100
Subject: sqLite in iOS??
Message-ID: <83EEDAB8-6A96-4302-8249-201A65C8B6D9@thehales.id.au>

Hi Guys, 

A question for the iOS developers.

Does iOS have sqLite available?

In other words, if I have a desktop rev project that uses sqLite, will it port over to iOS?


James

james at thehales.id.au






From tkuypers at telenet.be  Tue Jan 11 20:42:12 2011
From: tkuypers at telenet.be (tkuypers at telenet.be)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 02:42:12 +0100
Subject: Update screen during lengthy process
Message-ID: <BFCE6A28-30BD-4DD3-9499-7CC112E74D9D@telenet.be>

Hi gang... 

I've created a hot-folder based app, that executes a few scripts when a file if dropped into a specific folder.
But these scripts can take up to 4 minutes to end and during that period LiveCode is locked.

I'm using a send command to watch the folder every few seconds, is a file is found then it is processed, but I want to show some kind of progress on screen to show the app is working.

I've tried firing off a second event, to show a counter, but that doesn't do anything.
And of course clicking on the "Stop Processing" button doesn't work as well :-(

Any suggestions on how to show a progress, and how to make the "Stop" button to work during the execution of an applescript?

Any suggestions are welcome.


Met vriendelijke groeten,

Ton Kuypers





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jan 11 21:14:55 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:14:55 -0800
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <41E2A588-8F76-42BD-A258-ED9E38BF4F3B@runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294768803.27986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<863796A5-18E1-4019-90B6-5E7217E79B9A@siphonophore.com>
	<41E2A588-8F76-42BD-A258-ED9E38BF4F3B@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <132572321828.20110111181455@ahsoftware.net>

Heather-

Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 11:44:36 AM, you wrote:

> You know the rules, no politics, no cheese!

No shirt, no service

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Jan 12 02:34:07 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 01:34:07 -0600
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <132572321828.20110111181455@ahsoftware.net>
References: <mailman.3.1294768803.27986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<863796A5-18E1-4019-90B6-5E7217E79B9A@siphonophore.com>
	<41E2A588-8F76-42BD-A258-ED9E38BF4F3B@runrev.com>
	<132572321828.20110111181455@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinOE-e0FN66MV=swLbXfnge05vrjwFAqJ6ZVxDs@mail.gmail.com>

No cover, no minimum, no floor.

--  *Kelly Freas, Mad magazine*

On 11 January 2011 20:14, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Heather-
>
> Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 11:44:36 AM, you wrote:
>
> > You know the rules, no politics, no cheese!
>
> No shirt, no service
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
>
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Jan 12 02:47:55 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:47:55 -0800
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinOE-e0FN66MV=swLbXfnge05vrjwFAqJ6ZVxDs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294768803.27986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>	<863796A5-18E1-4019-90B6-5E7217E79B9A@siphonophore.com>	<41E2A588-8F76-42BD-A258-ED9E38BF4F3B@runrev.com>	<132572321828.20110111181455@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTinOE-e0FN66MV=swLbXfnge05vrjwFAqJ6ZVxDs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D2D5CAB.7010902@pdslabs.net>

No tickee, no washee.

On 1/11/11 11:34 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
> No cover, no minimum, no floor.
>
> --  *Kelly Freas, Mad magazine*
>
> On 11 January 2011 20:14, Mark Wieder<mwieder at ahsoftware.net>  wrote:
>
>> Heather-
>>
>> Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 11:44:36 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>> You know the rules, no politics, no cheese!
>> No shirt, no service
>>
>> --
>> -Mark Wieder
>>   mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>
>>
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Wed Jan 12 02:51:57 2011
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 02:51:57 -0500
Subject: Update screen during lengthy process
Message-ID: <D5417A34-B6F2-4325-8121-ADA276C92F58@wehostmacs.com>

sadly with only one thread, you will need to wait for your external  
code to complete unless you do some funky coding using the open  
process command < http://docs.runrev.com/Command/open-process >



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Jan 12 03:13:55 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 00:13:55 -0800
Subject: Update screen during lengthy process
In-Reply-To: <BFCE6A28-30BD-4DD3-9499-7CC112E74D9D@telenet.be>
References: <BFCE6A28-30BD-4DD3-9499-7CC112E74D9D@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <4D2D62C3.90401@pdslabs.net>

You might look at either (1) breaking your long process into a series of smaller 
handlers executed one after the other by "send <nextHandlerName> to me in 6 
ticks" at the end of each one; or (2) put some "wait 6 ticks with messages" 
statements at various places in your long handler.

I usually do (1) instead of (2) if I can. I believe either approach will allow 
some interaction during the process - but it still may not give you what you want.

Phil


On 1/11/11 5:42 PM, tkuypers at telenet.be wrote:
> Hi gang...
>
> I've created a hot-folder based app, that executes a few scripts when a file if dropped into a specific folder.
> But these scripts can take up to 4 minutes to end and during that period LiveCode is locked.
>
> I'm using a send command to watch the folder every few seconds, is a file is found then it is processed, but I want to show some kind of progress on screen to show the app is working.
>
> I've tried firing off a second event, to show a counter, but that doesn't do anything.
> And of course clicking on the "Stop Processing" button doesn't work as well :-(
>
> Any suggestions on how to show a progress, and how to make the "Stop" button to work during the execution of an applescript?
>
> Any suggestions are welcome.
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>
> Ton Kuypers
>
>
>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Jan 12 04:22:24 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 01:22:24 -0800
Subject: Update screen during lengthy process
In-Reply-To: <BFCE6A28-30BD-4DD3-9499-7CC112E74D9D@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <C952B2D0.5006B%scott@tactilemedia.com>

In addition to the other suggestions, another option is to hand off the
AppleScript launch to a separate LiveCode application.  This way your
hot-folder app remains independent of the launch app that gets locked up by
the AppleScript process.  Depending on what tasks are being completed, you
may not be able to show specific progress, but at least your hot-folder app
can show that it is operation (using an animation or similar), you can keep
your hot-folder app responsive, and you can kill the AppleScript app if
necessary.

This may sound a bit extreme, but I've done it before with installers that
needed to interact with other processes that would normally lock up
LiveCode.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design




Recently, tkuypers at telenet.be wrote:

> Hi gang... 
> 
> I've created a hot-folder based app, that executes a few scripts when a file
> if dropped into a specific folder.
> But these scripts can take up to 4 minutes to end and during that period
> LiveCode is locked.
> 
> I'm using a send command to watch the folder every few seconds, is a file is
> found then it is processed, but I want to show some kind of progress on screen
> to show the app is working.
> 
> I've tried firing off a second event, to show a counter, but that doesn't do
> anything.
> And of course clicking on the "Stop Processing" button doesn't work as well
> :-(
> 
> Any suggestions on how to show a progress, and how to make the "Stop" button
> to work during the execution of an applescript?
> 
> Any suggestions are welcome.
> 
> 
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> 
> Ton Kuypers





From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 05:00:14 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:00:14 +0100
Subject: Easy way to create Win .ico on Mac?
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=4YB+JrrykSdKxeLNcGYS6RPpiTMedr8Ug1qoL@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

I use FastIcns (great!) to create Mac icons but for Win I start
Windows and use IcoFX (free).
Now I am looking for an easy way to create a Win .ico files on a Mac.

Anyone now a free Mac app that creates LC compatibel .ico files?

greetings,

William



From psahores at free.fr  Wed Jan 12 05:26:01 2011
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:26:01 +0100
Subject: Easy way to create Win .ico on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=4YB+JrrykSdKxeLNcGYS6RPpiTMedr8Ug1qoL@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=4YB+JrrykSdKxeLNcGYS6RPpiTMedr8Ug1qoL@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3BB0624E-F830-4EEE-BB73-175DFDC6D474@free.fr>

Graphic Converter is able to save images as ".ico"

Best,

P.

Le 12 janv. 2011 ? 11:00, William de Smet a ?crit :

> Hi there,
> 
> I use FastIcns (great!) to create Mac icons but for Win I start
> Windows and use IcoFX (free).
> Now I am looking for an easy way to create a Win .ico files on a Mac.
> 
> Anyone now a free Mac app that creates LC compatibel .ico files?
> 
> greetings,
> 
> William
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 05:33:48 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:33:48 +0200
Subject: Easy way to create Win .ico on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=4YB+JrrykSdKxeLNcGYS6RPpiTMedr8Ug1qoL@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=4YB+JrrykSdKxeLNcGYS6RPpiTMedr8Ug1qoL@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D2D838C.20401@gmail.com>

GIMP

http://www.gimp.org/

is FREE, totally cross-platform, and can export Windows Icons files.

On 01/12/2011 12:00 PM, William de Smet wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I use FastIcns (great!) to create Mac icons but for Win I start
> Windows and use IcoFX (free).
> Now I am looking for an easy way to create a Win .ico files on a Mac.
>
> Anyone now a free Mac app that creates LC compatibel .ico files?
>
> greetings,
>
> William
>
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Jan 12 06:37:28 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:37:28 +0000
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
Message-ID: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>

If it quacks like a duck it is a duck.

So I have some data in a variable that I want to display. I can use is an
array/number/date - but for other types of data I'm wandering... xml should
be easy, but harder would be to distinguish long text files from binary. Any
ideas for hacks to distinguish:

   1. images
   2. sounds
   3. video
   4. binary blob
   5. text
   6. rtftext
   7. utf8

I think a lot of these can be tested by trying them out in various
containers - ie can I create an image? What happens if I set the unicodetext
of a field... but some of the work needs to be done by looking at the data
first. So what would a duck_Type handler look like for LiveCode:

function duck_Type someData
  switch
    case someData is an array
      return "array"
    case someData is a date
      return "date"
    case someData is a number
      return "number"
    case ???
      return "???"
  end switch
end duck_Type

Note - the idea is to work on data in a variable, not a file. I have a few
handlers for looking at files - any suggestions / snippets of code?


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Jan 12 07:26:54 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:26:54 -0200
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikVA-PiVYxvT5R54vdMeLzEuzVm_AsSqOwn336y@mail.gmail.com>

David,

Be aware that this type inference will cost you cpu and degrade performance
if used constantly in the code like thousand steps in a loop. If it is a
variable which you control all the lifecycle, then you could attach metadata
to it and thus be able to create a little type system which I think is not
the case here because if this was an option you would not be asking this
list, so forgive my previous comments, they are just for archival benefit in
case someone search for this kind of info.

Now, about figuring out ducks from the rest of the fauna, I usually take
some other approach. I don't do usual duck typing by using something like:
"if it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck", I do extreme duck
typing, which is: "Can I make it quack?", so what I do is try exclusive
operations on the variable, if the operation succeeds, then it is a duck.

If you can figure out some operation that can only be done on images, then,
treat duck-to-be variable as image and try that operation, if it returns
true, then it is an image for all that we care, if it fails, it is something
else.

This kind of inference by behaviour is easy to implement once you found some
exclusive test operations but it is not error proof. For example, you can
try setting a player video to the content of duck-to-be then check out the
codec or the number of frames or something that only a real movie would have
but before that, you need to make sure that setting the video player to
random binary blobs will not yield results that can be tagged as false
positives.

PS: I coined the term extreme duck typing as I was writing this email, think
I will write a book about it and market it not for monetary benefit but to
have such thing next to all those agile books and other buzzword books...

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:37 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>wrote:

> If it quacks like a duck it is a duck.
>
> So I have some data in a variable that I want to display. I can use is an
> array/number/date - but for other types of data I'm wandering... xml should
> be easy, but harder would be to distinguish long text files from binary.
> Any
> ideas for hacks to distinguish:
>
>   1. images
>   2. sounds
>   3. video
>   4. binary blob
>   5. text
>   6. rtftext
>   7. utf8
>
> I think a lot of these can be tested by trying them out in various
> containers - ie can I create an image? What happens if I set the
> unicodetext
> of a field... but some of the work needs to be done by looking at the data
> first. So what would a duck_Type handler look like for LiveCode:
>
> function duck_Type someData
>  switch
>    case someData is an array
>      return "array"
>    case someData is a date
>      return "date"
>    case someData is a number
>      return "number"
>    case ???
>      return "???"
>  end switch
> end duck_Type
>
> Note - the idea is to work on data in a variable, not a file. I have a few
> handlers for looking at files - any suggestions / snippets of code?
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Jan 12 07:51:02 2011
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:51:02 +0000
Subject: Accessing 'ntext' fields from SQL Server over ODBC (Windows)
Message-ID: <4D2DA3B6.1070906@cogapp.com>

We've got a problem with reading data from an 'ntext' column in a MS SQL 
Server database.

This has arisen in a client environment where they recently upgraded a 
third-party package.  They use an app we wrote in Rev/LC which retrieves data 
from the backend database of this package; one of the fields we retrieve has 
changed from 'text' to 'ntext', and we're now only retrieving the first 
character in each case.  (We of course have no control over the design of this 
database.)

We've reproduced this locally, setting up a simple test database with one 
table, one ntext column: the table has three rows as follows:
	Row 1 here
	Row 2 here
	?mlaut

Using our app or Rev/LC in the IDE on Mac, this is retrieved as expected. 
Using either the app, Rev 4.0, or LC 4.5 on Windows, we get just
	R
	R
	?


(and the length of the data returned by revdb_columnbynumber is 1).

On Mac we're using the ActualTech ODBC driver; on Windows the default supplied 
ODBC driver.  In the DSN setup on windows we have unticked all options on the 
final config screen, so there is no character translation or any other options 
on. We have also tried various combinations of these options.

What surprises me is that this works on Mac (using ODBC over the network to 
SQL Server running on Windows), but fails when LC is running on Windows (even 
on the machine that's hosting SQL Server).

(Our test machine was Windows Server 2003, with SQL Server 2008; I'm not 
currently sure the details of the client's network.)

Has anyone else worked successfully (or otherwise) with ntext fields over ODBC 
on Windows?

TIA,

Ben



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Wed Jan 12 07:57:18 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:57:18 -0400
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikVA-PiVYxvT5R54vdMeLzEuzVm_AsSqOwn336y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikVA-PiVYxvT5R54vdMeLzEuzVm_AsSqOwn336y@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=VjLjiPtHpqczWO-7YSg3N_qqPC0v_TG4Vdzuv@mail.gmail.com>

Except that "extreme duck typing" sounds like something you would need to
dress in camouflage clothing first and maybe build a blind.


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Jan 12 08:07:13 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:07:13 -0200
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=VjLjiPtHpqczWO-7YSg3N_qqPC0v_TG4Vdzuv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikVA-PiVYxvT5R54vdMeLzEuzVm_AsSqOwn336y@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=VjLjiPtHpqczWO-7YSg3N_qqPC0v_TG4Vdzuv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikD-_pu-a9C2GfScrkcfmAVThEMOyW4NgX+bOrM@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:57 AM, william humphrey <
bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:

> Except that "extreme duck typing" sounds like something you would need to
> dress in camouflage clothing first and maybe build a blind.
>

camouflage is useless in extreme duck typing, it may not look like a duck
but it will quack when I am finished with it!!!!

(oops too much coffee)




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From andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr  Wed Jan 12 08:15:42 2011
From: andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Bisseret?=)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:15:42 +0100
Subject: What does the DragData contain?
In-Reply-To: <C38D341B-B086-46F0-8543-BDFF83DD3241@twft.com>
References: <FEF89BF2-3371-4515-9AEF-77F001F6BF03@twft.com>
	<54491471406.20110110194724@ahsoftware.net>
	<C38D341B-B086-46F0-8543-BDFF83DD3241@twft.com>
Message-ID: <90691418-F36B-4461-8681-EAD534C01712@wanadoo.fr>


Le 11 janv. 2011 ? 18:21, Bob Sneidar a ?crit :

> Thanks Mark that clears a lot of things up. I found that by getting the short name of the source and destination, I can tell what column in each I am dragging from and to. 
> 
> One thing that would have been nice would have been to get a single column of data in a data grid with multiple columns. In fact, a command that gave me a column in ANY list or array would have been nice, but I know I will have to roll my own. Not a problem, just inconvenient. 
> 
> My goal is to drop a value onto a column in a multicolumn grid and have the value placed after the last value in that column. Picture something like Filemaker's data import dialog, where you can drag fields from the source and destination into a "merge table" and define the action by clicking a center column. That is what I am working on. 
> 
> While it's fun, I find myself spending an inordinate amount of time figuring out just how datagrids work, and how to implement drag and drop between them. Still, it's not time wasted, it's time spent getting an education. :-)
> 


Bonjour Bob,

If you don't know it, you could catch a glance to "Experiment 015 - Drag & drop^in DG" from TheSlug here on his site:

http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=6&Itemid=53

under "Experiments 012 to 016: Datagrids experiments"

Seems possible to modify the scripts in order to drag only one value of a row of a Dg and drop it onto another Dg.

Sure TheSlug would know how to do that far better than me ;-))

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Jan 12 08:17:51 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:17:51 -0200
Subject: Accessing 'ntext' fields from SQL Server over ODBC (Windows)
In-Reply-To: <4D2DA3B6.1070906@cogapp.com>
References: <4D2DA3B6.1070906@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin9PSQ3HUrTpQuJwQXUekNVFoC6fMxcaLr=8guN@mail.gmail.com>

Ben,

I have no clue whatsoever what ntext fields are but you could try a
combination of the following stuff:

You can try executing this Transact-SQL piece on a query to the server:

SET TEXTSIZE 64512

This will change the amount of text returned by a SELECT into a ntext
or nvarchar field.

If you the upper limit of the size of your text, you can try selecting
it as a substring such as:

SELECT SUBSTRING(myfield, 1, 4096) AS myfield FROM mytable

Now, I never faced such issues but then again, I seldon do windows and
the last time I've dealt with MS SQL Server was in 1999...

Andre



From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Jan 12 08:22:37 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:22:37 -0200
Subject: Update screen during lengthy process
In-Reply-To: <C952B2D0.5006B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BFCE6A28-30BD-4DD3-9499-7CC112E74D9D@telenet.be>
	<C952B2D0.5006B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinhfpV9uEkLx1NDoquA=5WUFbOOPYJoDvCHFj-n@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> In addition to the other suggestions, another option is to hand off the
> AppleScript launch to a separate LiveCode application. ?This way your
> hot-folder app remains independent of the launch app that gets locked up by
> the AppleScript process. ?Depending on what tasks are being completed, you
> may not be able to show specific progress, but at least your hot-folder app
> can show that it is operation (using an animation or similar), you can keep
> your hot-folder app responsive, and you can kill the AppleScript app if
> necessary.
>
> This may sound a bit extreme, but I've done it before with installers that
> needed to interact with other processes that would normally lock up
> LiveCode.
>

a more extreme version of this is to use the 3.5 command line engine
(aka cgi engine) and some scripts for the processing. This way, when
your application wants to process a file it opens a new process to the
script and executes it. You application will not lock and you will
avoid launching another application and bloating the dock....

Same thing explained in steps:

step #1: pick your processing code and refactor it into a text script
file to be executed by 3.5 engine
step #2: bundle engine and script with your app
step #3: main application finds a new file
step #4: main application uses a loop with open process and read/write
to process to interact with script
step #5: user is happy and you can even process more than one file at
the same time.



> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
>
>
> Recently, tkuypers at telenet.be wrote:
>
>> Hi gang...
>>
>> I've created a hot-folder based app, that executes a few scripts when a file
>> if dropped into a specific folder.
>> But these scripts can take up to 4 minutes to end and during that period
>> LiveCode is locked.
>>
>> I'm using a send command to watch the folder every few seconds, is a file is
>> found then it is processed, but I want to show some kind of progress on screen
>> to show the app is working.
>>
>> I've tried firing off a second event, to show a counter, but that doesn't do
>> anything.
>> And of course clicking on the "Stop Processing" button doesn't work as well
>> :-(
>>
>> Any suggestions on how to show a progress, and how to make the "Stop" button
>> to work during the execution of an applescript?
>>
>> Any suggestions are welcome.
>>
>>
>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>>
>> Ton Kuypers
>
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Jan 12 08:35:14 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:35:14 -0200
Subject: sqLite in iOS??
In-Reply-To: <83EEDAB8-6A96-4302-8249-201A65C8B6D9@thehales.id.au>
References: <83EEDAB8-6A96-4302-8249-201A65C8B6D9@thehales.id.au>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimfvxU8QV63OYdQv2gt0XxBX-2E2McQGkRsQMY4@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:52 PM, James Hale <james at thehales.id.au> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> A question for the iOS developers.
>
> Does iOS have sqLite available?
>
> In other words, if I have a desktop rev project that uses sqLite, will it port over to iOS?
>

James,

Right now the pre-release version of iOS deployment (aka revmobile)
does not support externals, so no database access is possible but this
will of course be implemented as soon as they are able since it is a
crucial feature but as things stands, you can't access databases.

andre


>
> James
>
> james at thehales.id.au
>
>
>
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Jan 12 08:41:13 2011
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:41:13 +0000
Subject: Accessing 'ntext' fields from SQL Server over ODBC (Windows)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin9PSQ3HUrTpQuJwQXUekNVFoC6fMxcaLr=8guN@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D2DA3B6.1070906@cogapp.com>
	<AANLkTin9PSQ3HUrTpQuJwQXUekNVFoC6fMxcaLr=8guN@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D2DAF79.5060106@cogapp.com>

Thanks Andre.  However, the size of these fields is not that great - probably 
less than 1K - and in our test database it's just a few bytes.

Has anyone else experience with accessing ntext fields from SQL Server over 
ODBC - using Rev/LiveCode or anything else?

TIA,

Ben

On 12/01/2011 13:17, Andre Garzia wrote:
> Ben,
>
> I have no clue whatsoever what ntext fields are but you could try a
> combination of the following stuff:
>
> You can try executing this Transact-SQL piece on a query to the server:
>
> SET TEXTSIZE 64512
>
> This will change the amount of text returned by a SELECT into a ntext
> or nvarchar field.
>
> If you the upper limit of the size of your text, you can try selecting
> it as a substring such as:
>
> SELECT SUBSTRING(myfield, 1, 4096) AS myfield FROM mytable
>
> Now, I never faced such issues but then again, I seldon do windows and
> the last time I've dealt with MS SQL Server was in 1999...
>
> Andre



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 12 08:52:37 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 05:52:37 -0800
Subject: Update screen during lengthy process
Message-ID: <4D2DB225.1050607@fourthworld.com>

tkuypers wrote:

 > I've created a hot-folder based app, that executes a few scripts when
 > a file if dropped into a specific folder.
 > But these scripts can take up to 4 minutes to end and during that
 > period LiveCode is locked.
 >
 > I'm using a send command to watch the folder every few seconds, is a
 > file is found then it is processed, but I want to show some kind of
 > progress on screen to show the app is working.
 >
 > I've tried firing off a second event, to show a counter, but that
 > doesn't do anything.
 > And of course clicking on the "Stop Processing" button doesn't work
 > as well :-(
 >
 > Any suggestions on how to show a progress, and how to make the "Stop"
 > button to work during the execution of an applescript?

My WebMerge product has a similar challenge: for most folks it runs in 
just a few seconds, but it's sometimes used to process very large 
collections of product lists (300,000 or more) which can take a few minutes.

So I needed both a way to indicate progress, and a way to cancel the 
task, just as you do.

Here's what I did:

In the main repeat loop I have a call to a CheckCancel handler, e.g.:

    ...
    global gProcessActive
    put true into gProcessActive
    show button "Cancel"
    --
    repeat for each line tLine in tData
       CheckCancel
       --
       Processs tLine
    end repeat
    ...

Here's the CheckCancel handler:

on CheckCancel
    global gProcessActive
    wait 0 with messages
    if gProcessActive <> true then
      DoCleanUpAndExit
    else
      ShowProgress
    end if
end CheckCancel

Then in a button labeled "Cancel" I have this script:

on mouseUp
    global gProcessActive
    put false into gProcessActive
end mouseUp


So first the gProcessActive flag is set before entering the loop, and 
within the loop CheckCancel is called to do two things:

1. Allow messages to be sent ("wait 0 with messages")
2. Check if the flag has been set to false

Because messages are processed thanks to the "with messages" modifier, 
if the user clicks on the "Cancel" button that button's script sets the 
flag to false, and the next call to CheckCancel will notice that and 
call DoCleanUpAndExit if it needs to.

What happens in DoCleanUpAndExit will of course depend on what your 
program is doing (though you should include a "exit to top" statement to 
exit the loop from outside of it), and the same is true for 
ShowProgress.   Because WebMerge's process is of a knowable length (the 
number of lines of the data it's working on) I use a progress bar, but 
you could use a spinning wheel or indeterminate progress bar or even 
just updating text in a field, whichever works for your UI.

I've experimented with various methods of canceling long processes, and 
thus far this solution based around "wait 0 with messages" has shown 
itself to require the least overhead of the options I've tried.

HTH -

--
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  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Jan 12 08:55:36 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:55:36 -0200
Subject: Accessing 'ntext' fields from SQL Server over ODBC (Windows)
In-Reply-To: <4D2DAF79.5060106@cogapp.com>
References: <4D2DA3B6.1070906@cogapp.com>
	<AANLkTin9PSQ3HUrTpQuJwQXUekNVFoC6fMxcaLr=8guN@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2DAF79.5060106@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik4nonn3P4KsChLhHKXwAEdZR8YTTwaz97hG8Dn@mail.gmail.com>

Ben,

have you tried the select with the substring?

andre

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:
> Thanks Andre. ?However, the size of these fields is not that great -
> probably less than 1K - and in our test database it's just a few bytes.
>
> Has anyone else experience with accessing ntext fields from SQL Server over
> ODBC - using Rev/LiveCode or anything else?
>
> TIA,
>
> Ben
>
> On 12/01/2011 13:17, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>> Ben,
>>
>> I have no clue whatsoever what ntext fields are but you could try a
>> combination of the following stuff:
>>
>> You can try executing this Transact-SQL piece on a query to the server:
>>
>> SET TEXTSIZE 64512
>>
>> This will change the amount of text returned by a SELECT into a ntext
>> or nvarchar field.
>>
>> If you the upper limit of the size of your text, you can try selecting
>> it as a substring such as:
>>
>> SELECT SUBSTRING(myfield, 1, 4096) AS myfield FROM mytable
>>
>> Now, I never faced such issues but then again, I seldon do windows and
>> the last time I've dealt with MS SQL Server was in 1999...
>>
>> Andre
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Jan 12 08:58:09 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:58:09 -0200
Subject: Update screen during lengthy process
In-Reply-To: <4D2DB225.1050607@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2DB225.1050607@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikiKqu6a-NQyhMjg2m_OP8oD9OPr+OxJ84kdbhj@mail.gmail.com>

Richard,

I like that! :-D

>
> My WebMerge product has a similar challenge: for most folks it runs in just
> a few seconds, but it's sometimes used to process very large collections of
> product lists (300,000 or more) which can take a few minutes.
>
> So I needed both a way to indicate progress, and a way to cancel the task,
> just as you do.
>
> Here's what I did:
>
> In the main repeat loop I have a call to a CheckCancel handler, e.g.:
>
> ? ...
> ? global gProcessActive
> ? put true into gProcessActive
> ? show button "Cancel"
> ? --
> ? repeat for each line tLine in tData
> ? ? ?CheckCancel
> ? ? ?--
> ? ? ?Processs tLine
> ? end repeat
> ? ...
>
> Here's the CheckCancel handler:
>
> on CheckCancel
> ? global gProcessActive
> ? wait 0 with messages
> ? if gProcessActive <> true then
> ? ? DoCleanUpAndExit
> ? else
> ? ? ShowProgress
> ? end if
> end CheckCancel
>
> Then in a button labeled "Cancel" I have this script:
>
> on mouseUp
> ? global gProcessActive
> ? put false into gProcessActive
> end mouseUp
>
>
> So first the gProcessActive flag is set before entering the loop, and within
> the loop CheckCancel is called to do two things:
>
> 1. Allow messages to be sent ("wait 0 with messages")
> 2. Check if the flag has been set to false
>
> Because messages are processed thanks to the "with messages" modifier, if
> the user clicks on the "Cancel" button that button's script sets the flag to
> false, and the next call to CheckCancel will notice that and call
> DoCleanUpAndExit if it needs to.
>
> What happens in DoCleanUpAndExit will of course depend on what your program
> is doing (though you should include a "exit to top" statement to exit the
> loop from outside of it), and the same is true for ShowProgress. ? Because
> WebMerge's process is of a knowable length (the number of lines of the data
> it's working on) I use a progress bar, but you could use a spinning wheel or
> indeterminate progress bar or even just updating text in a field, whichever
> works for your UI.
>
> I've experimented with various methods of canceling long processes, and thus
> far this solution based around "wait 0 with messages" has shown itself to
> require the least overhead of the options I've tried.
>
> HTH -
>
> --
> ?Richard Gaskin
> ?Fourth World
> ?LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> ?Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> ?LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Jan 12 09:15:56 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:15:56 +0000
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikD-_pu-a9C2GfScrkcfmAVThEMOyW4NgX+bOrM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikVA-PiVYxvT5R54vdMeLzEuzVm_AsSqOwn336y@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=VjLjiPtHpqczWO-7YSg3N_qqPC0v_TG4Vdzuv@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikD-_pu-a9C2GfScrkcfmAVThEMOyW4NgX+bOrM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinVXGOWGTY6XiXyN7v6dnNiU28cP+DBQbjyB3LB@mail.gmail.com>

Ducks - are my big thing this year. I think they are going to be big.

On 12 January 2011 13:07, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:57 AM, william humphrey <
> bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:
>
> > Except that "extreme duck typing" sounds like something you would need to
> > dress in camouflage clothing first and maybe build a blind.
> >
>
> camouflage is useless in extreme duck typing, it may not look like a duck
> but it will quack when I am finished with it!!!!
>
> (oops too much coffee)
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 12 09:37:02 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:37:02 -0800
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
Message-ID: <4D2DBC8E.2020101@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

> If it quacks like a duck it is a duck.
>
> So I have some data in a variable that I want to display. I can use is an
> array/number/date - but for other types of data I'm wandering... xml should
> be easy, but harder would be to distinguish long text files from binary. Any
> ideas for hacks to distinguish:
>
>    1. images
>    2. sounds
>    3. video
>    4. binary blob
>    5. text
>    6. rtftext
>    7. utf8
>
> I think a lot of these can be tested by trying them out in various
> containers - ie can I create an image? What happens if I set the unicodetext
> of a field... but some of the work needs to be done by looking at the data
> first. So what would a duck_Type handler look like for LiveCode:
>
> function duck_Type someData
>   switch
>     case someData is an array
>       return "array"
>     case someData is a date
>       return "date"
>     case someData is a number
>       return "number"
>     case ???
>       return "???"
>   end switch
> end duck_Type
>
> Note - the idea is to work on data in a variable, not a file. I have a few
> handlers for looking at files - any suggestions / snippets of code?

If such metadata are needed for the variables, what would be the 
downside of using an array?  That way you could store/access the type 
metadata quickly:

   put tData into gMyDucksA["label"]["data"]
   put "rtfText" into gMyDucksA["label"]["type"]

I realize that this is an obvious solution you've probably already 
considered, but given the difficulties of imposing types and OOP 
constructs in a typeless non-OOP language, for practical purposes such a 
Lua-metatable-esque option may provide a reasonable balance between 
performance and flexibility.

If an array is unsuitable for your needs I would be interested in 
learning more about the problem being solved to see if there's an 
efficient solution.

--
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  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Jan 12 09:53:01 2011
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:53:01 +0000
Subject: Accessing 'ntext' fields from SQL Server over ODBC (Windows)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik4nonn3P4KsChLhHKXwAEdZR8YTTwaz97hG8Dn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D2DA3B6.1070906@cogapp.com>	<AANLkTin9PSQ3HUrTpQuJwQXUekNVFoC6fMxcaLr=8guN@mail.gmail.com>	<4D2DAF79.5060106@cogapp.com>
	<AANLkTik4nonn3P4KsChLhHKXwAEdZR8YTTwaz97hG8Dn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D2DC04D.80804@cogapp.com>

Hi Andre,

Tried it, no success.

Thanks,

Ben

On 12/01/2011 13:55, Andre Garzia wrote:
> Ben,
>
> have you tried the select with the substring?
>
> andre
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Ben Rubinstein<benr_mc at cogapp.com>  wrote:
>> Thanks Andre.  However, the size of these fields is not that great -
>> probably less than 1K - and in our test database it's just a few bytes.
>>
>> Has anyone else experience with accessing ntext fields from SQL Server over
>> ODBC - using Rev/LiveCode or anything else?
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On 12/01/2011 13:17, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>>
>>> Ben,
>>>
>>> I have no clue whatsoever what ntext fields are but you could try a
>>> combination of the following stuff:
>>>
>>> You can try executing this Transact-SQL piece on a query to the server:
>>>
>>> SET TEXTSIZE 64512
>>>
>>> This will change the amount of text returned by a SELECT into a ntext
>>> or nvarchar field.
>>>
>>> If you the upper limit of the size of your text, you can try selecting
>>> it as a substring such as:
>>>
>>> SELECT SUBSTRING(myfield, 1, 4096) AS myfield FROM mytable
>>>
>>> Now, I never faced such issues but then again, I seldon do windows and
>>> the last time I've dealt with MS SQL Server was in 1999...
>>>
>>> Andre
>>
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>
>




From pmbrig at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 10:24:12 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:24:12 -0500
Subject: Somewhat OT: Revolutionaries, Scotland and Texas
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim1rTOyHXeh5F4hAvYJevYwmqpW+fiFjXOO9Sb_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim1rTOyHXeh5F4hAvYJevYwmqpW+fiFjXOO9Sb_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B707CBF6-D9DA-4187-A82E-4D9F6B206A18@gmail.com>

On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:50 AM, David Bovill wrote:

>  ... "penal policy", has nothing whatsoever to do with the "male  
> member". The Latin routes are quite distinct with penal deriving  
> from from the "poenalis" - that is pertaining to punishment, and not  
> "penis" (the male member or "tail")

"poenalis" -- those are on the little wiggly things on your feet,  
right? Different body part entirely.   :-)

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com  Wed Jan 12 11:45:03 2011
From: th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com (Thierry)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:45:03 +0100
Subject: Update screen during lengthy process
In-Reply-To: <4D2DB225.1050607@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2DB225.1050607@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <8DFEFD35-BEC9-4A98-8DB4-B70E9F089025@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 12 janv. 2011 ? 14:52, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> So I needed both a way to indicate progress, and a way to cancel the task, just as you do.

Hi Richard,

I had the same problem with one of my external written in C.
and that's exactly what I've done. ( different context, but same solution )

The C code is using 100% of the CPU for quite a while, and with a user's option,
there is a way to update a progress bar or whatever, and this works like a charm.

on Progress x
 set the thumbposition of ... to x
 wait 1 milliseconds with message
end Progress

on mouseUp
 AbortProcess
end mouseUp

The Progress is called from the external,
and AbortProcess is send to the external.

Regards,
Thierry




From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 12 12:08:25 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:08:25 -0800
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <132572321828.20110111181455@ahsoftware.net>
References: <mailman.3.1294768803.27986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<863796A5-18E1-4019-90B6-5E7217E79B9A@siphonophore.com>
	<41E2A588-8F76-42BD-A258-ED9E38BF4F3B@runrev.com>
	<132572321828.20110111181455@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4132CB4A-E025-4E17-BF17-6249B946E034@twft.com>

Not ticket, no laundry.

Bob


On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Heather-
> 
> Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 11:44:36 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> You know the rules, no politics, no cheese!
> 
> No shirt, no service
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 12 12:24:20 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:24:20 -0800
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F26527EE-D590-482E-8DB2-04098E0C12BB@twft.com>

That's what all the dead duck thought just before that "big bang". 

Bob


On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:37 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> If it quacks like a duck it is a duck.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 12:24:27 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:24:27 +0200
Subject: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?
In-Reply-To: <4132CB4A-E025-4E17-BF17-6249B946E034@twft.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294768803.27986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>	<863796A5-18E1-4019-90B6-5E7217E79B9A@siphonophore.com>	<41E2A588-8F76-42BD-A258-ED9E38BF4F3B@runrev.com>	<132572321828.20110111181455@ahsoftware.net>
	<4132CB4A-E025-4E17-BF17-6249B946E034@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D2DE3CB.1070608@gmail.com>

Lois, Le Corps Politique, et Fromage . . .  :)

C'est un fable ancien, mes vieux.

On 01/12/2011 07:08 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Not ticket, no laundry.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> Heather-
>>
>> Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 11:44:36 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>> You know the rules, no politics, no cheese!
>> No shirt, no service
>>
>> -- 
>> -Mark Wieder
>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>
>>



From tkuypers at telenet.be  Wed Jan 12 12:27:15 2011
From: tkuypers at telenet.be (tkuypers at telenet.be)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:27:15 +0100
Subject: Update screen during lengthy process
In-Reply-To: <4D2DB225.1050607@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2DB225.1050607@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AB27E627-9440-45C1-AEB2-AE908490E19A@telenet.be>

Thanks all... I was getting desperate, but I think Richard's way will work... Will give it a try later this evening :-)
But also Scott's solution, using a second app has some possibilities. Will take a look at that one, when the "Richard-trick" doesn't work!

Met vriendelijke groeten,

Ton Kuypers





From massung at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 12:55:52 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:55:52 -0700
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimbc_pMtS4Wp4rxcVQWKzsO02Fg+_Q4Pf6MjKxL@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:37 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>wrote:

> If it quacks like a duck it is a duck.
>
> So I have some data in a variable that I want to display. I can use is an
> array/number/date - but for other types of data I'm wandering... xml should
> be easy, but harder would be to distinguish long text files from binary.
> Any
> ideas for hacks to distinguish:
>
>   1. images
>   2. sounds
>   3. video
>   4. binary blob
>   5. text
>   6. rtftext
>   7. utf8
>
>
This is a pretty solved problem (except for the "array" part, which is a
LC-specific data type/format). Wish I had some references for you at the
moment, but here's some things to keep in mind:

- First, use your OS when possible. Images, sounds, video, and often text is
already done for you via registry on Windows or the 4-byte code on Mac (i.e.
'TEXT').

- Next, determine text vs. binary. This is usually done by just grabbing the
first N (where N is ~1000) bytes and look for any that are < 10 or > 127. If
you find any, it's binary - or unicode.

- Binary starts the look at image vs. video vs. unicode. Image and video are
pretty simple. You don't need to understand every form of image or video,
just a handful that will hit 99% of all images/videos out there. And they
all - very politely - have a nice header you can examine. For example,
looking at PNG:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics#File_header

>From there, you can see that the first 4 bytes of a PNG file are 0x89 0x50
0x4E and 0x47 (where 50, 4E, and 47 are actually the ASCII letters 'PNG').
Almost every single image and video format you'll care about will have
something very similar you can use. This is a great site you can reference:

http://www.wotsit.org/

If you don't find a header that you understand, then you are looking at
either a straight binary lump/blob or multi-byte text file (unicode).
Remember that while UTF8 is not ASCII, it's designed to be indistinguishable
from ASCII most of the time. I don't have any advice to give you here on how
to determine if the file is unicode text or not... as I understand it this
is really a difficult problem to solve. I'm sure Google can help, though.
;-)

- At this point you've determined that the file is "text" in nature and you
are trying to specifically figure out if it's RTF, XML, INI, whatever. This
gets a little more tricky, as often times people skip what optional headers
could be there (e.g. <?xml ...?>, <!DOCTYPE ...>, ...) and you are left with
either taking your best guess or going off the file extension.

- RTF - I don't believe - has an actual "header" that lets you know it is an
RTF file. Instead, just scan it and look for "{\" in the file followed by
some known RTF "tags".

- XML/HTML/*ML, is a matter of scanning for some known tags (like <BODY>,
<HTML>) you know should be there near the top or - in the case of XML -
checking for namespaces in the tag names.

Hope this helps!

Jeff M.


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Jan 12 13:00:47 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:00:47 +0000
Subject: Somewhat OT: Revolutionaries, Scotland and Texas
In-Reply-To: <B707CBF6-D9DA-4187-A82E-4D9F6B206A18@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim1rTOyHXeh5F4hAvYJevYwmqpW+fiFjXOO9Sb_@mail.gmail.com>
	<B707CBF6-D9DA-4187-A82E-4D9F6B206A18@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikCYUNtomuZbE1WmhYCpNCqc9xsRvda7aF0fWh-@mail.gmail.com>

On 12 January 2011 15:24, Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:50 AM, David Bovill wrote:
>
>   ... "penal policy", has nothing whatsoever to do with the "male member".
>> The Latin routes are quite distinct with penal deriving from from the
>> "poenalis" - that is pertaining to punishment, and not "penis" (the male
>> member or "tail")
>>
>
> "poenalis" -- those are on the little wiggly things on your feet, right?
> Different body part entirely.   :-)
>

Don't be silly - what would they be doing there?


From jhj at jhj.com  Wed Jan 12 13:05:07 2011
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:05:07 -0800
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikVA-PiVYxvT5R54vdMeLzEuzVm_AsSqOwn336y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikVA-PiVYxvT5R54vdMeLzEuzVm_AsSqOwn336y@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9A873508-65D7-4B85-BB00-296E3696184A@jhj.com>

On Jan 12, 2011, at 4:26 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> I do extreme duck typing, which is: "Can I make it quack?", so what I do is try exclusive
> operations on the variable, if the operation succeeds, then it is a duck.

"Quack, damn you!"
     --Jamie Hyneman, Mythbuster





From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Jan 12 13:08:08 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:08:08 +0000
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimbc_pMtS4Wp4rxcVQWKzsO02Fg+_Q4Pf6MjKxL@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimbc_pMtS4Wp4rxcVQWKzsO02Fg+_Q4Pf6MjKxL@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin7YFfvKqHMeQc_PKepmvS5m6V4fuH+Dz773vvj@mail.gmail.com>

It does Jeff - thanks lots of detail there to translate into good 'ol code
:)

On 12 January 2011 17:55, Jeff Massung <massung at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:37 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv
> >wrote:
>
> > If it quacks like a duck it is a duck.
> >
> > So I have some data in a variable that I want to display. I can use is an
> > array/number/date - but for other types of data I'm wandering... xml
> should
> > be easy, but harder would be to distinguish long text files from binary.
> > Any
> > ideas for hacks to distinguish:
> >
> >   1. images
> >   2. sounds
> >   3. video
> >   4. binary blob
> >   5. text
> >   6. rtftext
> >   7. utf8
> >
> >
> This is a pretty solved problem (except for the "array" part, which is a
> LC-specific data type/format). Wish I had some references for you at the
> moment, but here's some things to keep in mind:
>
> - First, use your OS when possible. Images, sounds, video, and often text
> is
> already done for you via registry on Windows or the 4-byte code on Mac
> (i.e.
> 'TEXT').
>
> - Next, determine text vs. binary. This is usually done by just grabbing
> the
> first N (where N is ~1000) bytes and look for any that are < 10 or > 127.
> If
> you find any, it's binary - or unicode.
>
> - Binary starts the look at image vs. video vs. unicode. Image and video
> are
> pretty simple. You don't need to understand every form of image or video,
> just a handful that will hit 99% of all images/videos out there. And they
> all - very politely - have a nice header you can examine. For example,
> looking at PNG:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics#File_header
>
> From there, you can see that the first 4 bytes of a PNG file are 0x89 0x50
> 0x4E and 0x47 (where 50, 4E, and 47 are actually the ASCII letters 'PNG').
> Almost every single image and video format you'll care about will have
> something very similar you can use. This is a great site you can reference:
>
> http://www.wotsit.org/
>
> If you don't find a header that you understand, then you are looking at
> either a straight binary lump/blob or multi-byte text file (unicode).
> Remember that while UTF8 is not ASCII, it's designed to be
> indistinguishable
> from ASCII most of the time. I don't have any advice to give you here on
> how
> to determine if the file is unicode text or not... as I understand it this
> is really a difficult problem to solve. I'm sure Google can help, though.
> ;-)
>
> - At this point you've determined that the file is "text" in nature and you
> are trying to specifically figure out if it's RTF, XML, INI, whatever. This
> gets a little more tricky, as often times people skip what optional headers
> could be there (e.g. <?xml ...?>, <!DOCTYPE ...>, ...) and you are left
> with
> either taking your best guess or going off the file extension.
>
> - RTF - I don't believe - has an actual "header" that lets you know it is
> an
> RTF file. Instead, just scan it and look for "{\" in the file followed by
> some known RTF "tags".
>
> - XML/HTML/*ML, is a matter of scanning for some known tags (like <BODY>,
> <HTML>) you know should be there near the top or - in the case of XML -
> checking for namespaces in the tag names.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Jeff M.
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Jan 12 13:22:44 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:22:44 +0000
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <4D2DBC8E.2020101@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2DBC8E.2020101@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinzP=MOUavP4x0sa=S6oJNmcWJxs+iv0cCJWmd2@mail.gmail.com>

On 12 January 2011 14:37, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> If such metadata are needed for the variables, what would be the downside
> of using an array?  That way you could store/access the type metadata
> quickly:
>
>  put tData into gMyDucksA["label"]["data"]
>  put "rtfText" into gMyDucksA["label"]["type"]
>
> I realize that this is an obvious solution you've probably already
> considered, but given the difficulties of imposing types and OOP constructs
> in a typeless non-OOP language, for practical purposes such a
> Lua-metatable-esque option may provide a reasonable balance between
> performance and flexibility.
>

Yes - your right Richard. I'm being a perfectionist - or just really lazy -
in fact both at the same time :) Seriously, I want to end up with full typed
data specifications in an array format of the form you describe, but
tailored to be useful for internal use, and XML export to things like Django
templating language or XForm type encoding - internally there would be a
standard array format that would work with datagrids and other form widgets.

The duck typing is for the defaults - that's the lazy bit, and the bit that
takes the most effort at the same time. In general I've found getting the
defaults right for things like this to be both incredibly useful in terms of
future usability and incredibly difficult to get right. The usability I'm
looking for internally is simply to create simple arrays, from data in
LiveCode and external files, and not bother about the type of data. The duck
typing would simply fill in the defaults, which you can use to create
default forms for displaying or editing the data - I think this should cover
90% of the cases - for the rest you would manually script the data types to
allow for the appropriate form elements to be selected to display the data.
Indeed you would manually refine the data in all sorts of ways.

Does anyone know of any good widely used or well designed formats for form
representation - Django, HTML5, DOJO, and XForms are the things I've
investigated - I'm not too sure how much traction XForms gets, and if HTML5
forms makes it redundant - but ideally I'd like to borrow from well thought
out data structure designs in other frameworks and know that it is possible
to export the core LiveCode layouts for use in a range of web applications.


From support at ahsomme.com  Wed Jan 12 14:20:47 2011
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:20:47 -0800
Subject: Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
Message-ID: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>

Fellow Programmers,
For many years I've used the revNavigator plugin to layer objects -  
to move objects to any layer, into and out of groups, from one group  
to another, etc.

Somewhere around Rev 3.5 the revNavigator broke. Dragging objects in  
the list would only put bookmarks at the top of the list - leaving  
the selected object in its original layer. Using the Option key to  
move objects in groups (per the instructions) did not help. I am  
referring to revNavigator 3.0 RC 1.

I can open the stack in an older version of Rev, with the older  
version of the Navigator and relayering works properly. BUT...

Having adjusted the object layers in an older version of Rev, the  
DataGrids will not work on the stack when it is reopened in LC 4.0 or  
4.5.1. All of the grid objects are there but they have no  
"intelligence":
1. setting the dgText of the grid group does nothing - does not  
produce an error, using a "try/catch" shows nothing
2. the columns are the same size but have no column widths in the  
Columns tab on the object inspector
3. "the behavior of group 'DataGrid'" returns empty, not "button id  
1005 of stack "revDataGridLibrary""
The original grids in the stack are broken.

I can add new grids and they work properly. BUT...
If I replace the old grids with new ones, I have no way to put them  
in the proper layers - short of completely rebuilding a very complex  
stack.

So, two questions:
1. Can you recommend something for layering objects in LC 4.5.1 and  
later?
2. Is there a way to fix the broken datagrid described above?

FYI, LC 4.0 tested on OS X 10.4.11 on a G4 PowerBook and LC 4.5.1  
tested on OS X 10.6.6 on an Intel Mac Mini.

I really appreciate your help.
Paul Looney

From tereza at califex.com  Wed Jan 12 14:43:35 2011
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:43:35 -0600
Subject: Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
References: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <DFD6BFEC-4B22-4934-A470-E7BF9E5B6297@califex.com>


On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Paul Looney wrote:

> So, two questions:
> 1. Can you recommend something for layering objects in LC 4.5.1 and later?

Chipp?s AltLayerTools does it for me!

> 2. Is there a way to fix the broken datagrid described above?

Trevor knows all.


t

-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>







From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 12 15:03:10 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:03:10 -0800
Subject: Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <DFD6BFEC-4B22-4934-A470-E7BF9E5B6297@califex.com>
References: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
	<DFD6BFEC-4B22-4934-A470-E7BF9E5B6297@califex.com>
Message-ID: <68DCB5E5-36F2-482C-B07B-6D27236241CD@twft.com>

Are we sure that Trevor is not a super intelligent albeit benevolent alien species sent here to hasten mankind's progress to interstellar status? Or maybe they were sent here to make us mind-fat so they could feed off our brain energy. 

Bob


> Trevor knows all.
> 
> 
> t
> 
> -- 
> Tereza Snyder
> Califex Software, Inc.
> <www.califexsoftware.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 15:14:47 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:14:47 +0100
Subject: Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
References: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikbhSCjANgie8XyqGYkAM0m4okyPhg1tM7+nZJ_@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Paul Looney <support at ahsomme.com> wrote:

Paul,

> Having adjusted the object layers in an older version of Rev, the DataGrids
> will not work on the stack when it is reopened in LC 4.0 or 4.5.1. All of
> the grid objects are there but they have no "intelligence":

Behave like the datagrid has lost its behavior link with the datagrid library

> 1. setting the dgText of the grid group does nothing - does not produce an
> error, using a "try/catch" shows nothing

You should have the dgText nested in the custom properties of the
group, with all the other properties you tried.

> 2. the columns are the same size but have no column widths in the Columns
> tab on the object inspector
> 3. "the behavior of group 'DataGrid'" returns empty, not "button id 1005 of
> stack "revDataGridLibrary""

Hum,

You have probably thought to that, but what about trying to set the
behavior of your group to the corresponding datagrid engine button?

set the behavior of grp "myDataGrid" to "button id 1005 of stack " &
quote & "revDataGridLibrary" & quote

Then in the inspector, use the "Refresh datagrid" button


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Jan 12 15:24:09 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:24:09 +0100
Subject: Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <68DCB5E5-36F2-482C-B07B-6D27236241CD@twft.com>
References: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
	<DFD6BFEC-4B22-4934-A470-E7BF9E5B6297@califex.com>
	<68DCB5E5-36F2-482C-B07B-6D27236241CD@twft.com>
Message-ID: <B82D6B9B-572C-4EBD-A48A-72050370C87C@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Bob,

Am 12.01.2011 um 21:03 schrieb Bob Sneidar:

> Are we sure that Trevor is not a super intelligent albeit benevolent alien species sent here to hasten mankind's progress to interstellar status?

No! :-D

> Or maybe they were sent here to make us mind-fat so they could feed off our brain energy. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> Trevor knows all.
>> 
>> t
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tereza Snyder

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From peterwawood at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 18:26:33 2011
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 07:26:33 +0800
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
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On 13 Jan 2011, at 01:55, Jeff Massung wrote:

> - Next, determine text vs. binary. This is usually done by just grabbing the
> first N (where N is ~1000) bytes and look for any that are < 10 or > 127. If
> you find any, it's binary - or unicode.

This is only true if the text is 7-bit encoded which is very, very rare these days. (In fact, it isn't totally true as 0 to 9 are valid ASCII characters though not often found in files). The default text encoding on Mac Classic (MacRoman) and Windows (Codepage 1252 in US & Western Europe) are both 8-bit encoded. The above test would only work if no accented characters were used in text. 

> Remember that while UTF8 is not ASCII, it's designed to be indistinguishable
> from ASCII most of the time. I don't have any advice to give you here on how
> to determine if the file is unicode text or not... as I understand it this
> is really a difficult problem to solve. I'm sure Google can help, though.
> ;-)

UTF-8 is designed to be indistinguishable from 7-bit encoded ASCII (characters 0 - 127 are identical in both encoding systems). However, the use of characters coded in the range 128 - 255 is very different between UTF-8, Windows Codepages and MacRoman).

Regards

Peter 




From gwolfgang at gaich.de  Wed Jan 12 18:31:33 2011
From: gwolfgang at gaich.de (G. Wolfgang Gaich)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 00:31:33 +0100
Subject: Accessing 'ntext' fields from SQL Server over ODBC (Windows)
In-Reply-To: <4D2DA3B6.1070906@cogapp.com>
References: <4D2DA3B6.1070906@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <4D2E39D5.7080204@gaich.de>

Hi Ben,

try to convert nstring to varchar in your sql query:

select convert(varchar, yourNStringColumn) from table ...

HTH

Wolfgang



Am 12.01.2011 13:51, schrieb Ben Rubinstein:
> We've got a problem with reading data from an 'ntext' column in a MS 
> SQL Server database.
>
> This has arisen in a client environment where they recently upgraded a 
> third-party package.  They use an app we wrote in Rev/LC which 
> retrieves data from the backend database of this package; one of the 
> fields we retrieve has changed from 'text' to 'ntext', and we're now 
> only retrieving the first character in each case.  (We of course have 
> no control over the design of this database.)
>
> We've reproduced this locally, setting up a simple test database with 
> one table, one ntext column: the table has three rows as follows:
>     Row 1 here
>     Row 2 here
>     ?mlaut
>
> Using our app or Rev/LC in the IDE on Mac, this is retrieved as 
> expected. Using either the app, Rev 4.0, or LC 4.5 on Windows, we get 
> just
>     R
>     R
>     ?
>
>
> (and the length of the data returned by revdb_columnbynumber is 1).
>
> On Mac we're using the ActualTech ODBC driver; on Windows the default 
> supplied ODBC driver.  In the DSN setup on windows we have unticked 
> all options on the final config screen, so there is no character 
> translation or any other options on. We have also tried various 
> combinations of these options.
>
> What surprises me is that this works on Mac (using ODBC over the 
> network to SQL Server running on Windows), but fails when LC is 
> running on Windows (even on the machine that's hosting SQL Server).
>
> (Our test machine was Windows Server 2003, with SQL Server 2008; I'm 
> not currently sure the details of the client's network.)
>
> Has anyone else worked successfully (or otherwise) with ntext fields 
> over ODBC on Windows?
>
> TIA,
>
> Ben
>
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 20:29:06 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:29:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinzP=MOUavP4x0sa=S6oJNmcWJxs+iv0cCJWmd2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2DBC8E.2020101@fourthworld.com>
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Hi David,

Recently, in other messages, you mentioned
saving stacks as xml and using "git", the
distributed revision control system.
Now, this thread is about data type checking.

Are you developing stacks as xml text files
and using Livecode scripts to convert them
in binary stacks?

Alejandro
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Jan 12 21:07:18 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:07:18 -0800
Subject: Import Snapshot Broken in 4.5.3?
Message-ID: <C9539E56.500F7%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Houston, I think we have a problem.

This script works in LC (Rev) 4 OS X but generates an error in 4.5.3:
  import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj

Message execution error:
Error description: value: error executing expression
Hint: import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj

Other variations also fail, ie:

  import snapshot from rect (rect of btn 1) of btn 1

Message execution error:
Error description: value: error executing expression
Hint: import snapshot from rect (rect of btn 1) of btn 1


  import snapshot from rect (10,10,100,100)

Message execution error:
Error description: value: error executing expression
Hint: import snapshot from rect (10,10,100,100)

Can anybody else confirm this?  Is it just me?  If not, this seems like a
pretty important issue.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From martyknapp at comcast.net  Wed Jan 12 22:00:10 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:00:10 -0800
Subject: Import Snapshot Broken in 4.5.3?
In-Reply-To: <C9539E56.500F7%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C9539E56.500F7%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4D2E6ABA.5090302@comcast.net>

Hey Scott - tried your first script and it works fine for me. (LC 4.5.3 
on OSX 10.6.6)

Marty Knapp
> Houston, I think we have a problem.
>
> This script works in LC (Rev) 4 OS X but generates an error in 4.5.3:
>    import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj
>
> Message execution error:
> Error description: value: error executing expression
> Hint: import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj
>
> Other variations also fail, ie:
>
>    import snapshot from rect (rect of btn 1) of btn 1
>
> Message execution error:
> Error description: value: error executing expression
> Hint: import snapshot from rect (rect of btn 1) of btn 1
>
>
>    import snapshot from rect (10,10,100,100)
>
> Message execution error:
> Error description: value: error executing expression
> Hint: import snapshot from rect (10,10,100,100)
>
> Can anybody else confirm this?  Is it just me?  If not, this seems like a
> pretty important issue.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design



From irog at mac.com  Wed Jan 12 22:13:57 2011
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:13:57 -0700
Subject: Vent!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1291485602.18425.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1291485602.18425.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B7374383-E593-457E-A75A-D4C4176584C7@mac.com>

Hi Folks,

The most annoying thing I experience with LiveCode is when stack properties get inadvertently changed after switching from the Pointer tool to the Browse tool and vice versa, whilst the Property Inspector is open. Can anyone suggest a way around this without locking or manually closing the inspector? I would prefer that the inspector automatically close when selecting the Browse tool instead of it reverting to the stack properties. Better yet, I would prefer it to not change and remain focussed on the last control! TIA.

Thanks and cheers,
Roger Guay


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 22:25:55 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:25:55 -0500
Subject: Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <DFD6BFEC-4B22-4934-A470-E7BF9E5B6297@califex.com>
References: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
	<DFD6BFEC-4B22-4934-A470-E7BF9E5B6297@califex.com>
Message-ID: <B7F67AFB-6513-44E8-A139-9FEFE03811E4@gmail.com>

On Jan 12, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

> On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Paul Looney wrote:
>
>> So, two questions:
>> 1. Can you recommend something for layering objects in LC 4.5.1 and  
>> later?
>
> Chipp?s AltLayerTools does it for me!

Is this still available? I can't find it on the Altuit website.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From massung at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 23:57:56 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:57:56 -0700
Subject: Vent!
In-Reply-To: <B7374383-E593-457E-A75A-D4C4176584C7@mac.com>
References: <mailman.3.1291485602.18425.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<B7374383-E593-457E-A75A-D4C4176584C7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik_yPoDf7KJ4ojDKLNoq1vvd=N94mt795CqwcWR@mail.gmail.com>

I know it's a vent/rant, and while LC is completely awesome in -many- I have
to completely agree with this... I don't know how many times I've been
bitten switching to the pointer tool and think I'm typing something in a
field only to change the name of the stack w/o realizing it and cause myself
15+ minutes worth of problems.

I'm not sure closing the inspector makes sense, but certainly making it so I
can't accidentally screw myself in pointer mode would be nice. ;-)

Jeff M.

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> The most annoying thing I experience with LiveCode is when stack properties
> get inadvertently changed after switching from the Pointer tool to the
> Browse tool and vice versa, whilst the Property Inspector is open. Can
> anyone suggest a way around this without locking or manually closing the
> inspector? I would prefer that the inspector automatically close when
> selecting the Browse tool instead of it reverting to the stack properties.
> Better yet, I would prefer it to not change and remain focussed on the last
> control! TIA.
>
>


From bobcole at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 13 00:01:11 2011
From: bobcole at earthlink.net (Bob Cole)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:01:11 -0600
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
Message-ID: <C4AA894F-D58A-4D61-944E-124EC24BC2B2@earthlink.net>

Thanks to Jacque's suggestions, I was able to construct a stack that lets you display a random page from the Dictionary. 
I just uploaded it to RevOnline as "Dictionary Random Picks."
It is a simple stack but there is always room for improvement.  
Please let me have your thoughts for any changes.
Have fun exploring the Dictionary.
Bob

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:26:16 -0600
From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
Subject: Re: Random button for Dictionary

On 1/9/11 9:47 PM, Bob Cole wrote:
I am often delighted to learn new techniques through this livecode-dev list and the use-livecode list. There are many commands and features of LiveCode the I know well but I think there are numerous capabilities that I simply do not know, yet.  In reading these lists, I use the dictionary frequently.  There is so much information in it that I sometimes think it would be nice to have a "Random" button in the dictionary's tool bar that will display a random page.  It would be a fun way to explore.
Alternatively, is the Dictionary a stack (it does not show in the stacksInUse result) or does it have an API so we could create our own Random button?

This sounded like a cool idea. It's easy to do. Make a stack with a list 
field and a button. Load the list field with dictionary entries (you can 
do this from the message box):

	put the commandnames &cr & the functionnames &cr& the propertynames into fld 1

That'll get most of the terms I think, except for control structures. In the button:

	on mouseUp
	  set the hilitedline of fld 1 to random(the number of lines in fld 1)
	  revDocumentationGo (the selectedtext of fld 1)
	end mouseUp

I may use this myself in my copious free time. :)
-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jan 13 01:00:29 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:00:29 -0800
Subject: Import Snapshot Broken in 4.5.3?
In-Reply-To: <4D2E6ABA.5090302@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C953D4FD.5010E%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Marty -- if you would, try running the script from the message box.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, Marty Knapp wrote:

> Hey Scott - tried your first script and it works fine for me. (LC 4.5.3
> on OSX 10.6.6)
> 
> Marty Knapp


>> Houston, I think we have a problem.
>> 
>> This script works in LC (Rev) 4 OS X but generates an error in 4.5.3:
>>    import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj
>> 
>> Message execution error:
>> Error description: value: error executing expression
>> Hint: import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj
>> 
>> Other variations also fail, ie:
>> 
>>    import snapshot from rect (rect of btn 1) of btn 1
>> 
>> Message execution error:
>> Error description: value: error executing expression
>> Hint: import snapshot from rect (rect of btn 1) of btn 1
>> 
>> 
>>    import snapshot from rect (10,10,100,100)
>> 
>> Message execution error:
>> Error description: value: error executing expression
>> Hint: import snapshot from rect (10,10,100,100)
>> 
>> Can anybody else confirm this?  Is it just me?  If not, this seems like a
>> pretty important issue.





From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu Jan 13 01:06:35 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:06:35 -0800
Subject: Import Snapshot Broken in 4.5.3?
In-Reply-To: <C953D4FD.5010E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C953D4FD.5010E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4D2E966B.8020300@comcast.net>

Yes - it fails from the message box here, but works if I put it into a 
button script.

Marty
> Marty -- if you would, try running the script from the message box.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
>
> Recently, Marty Knapp wrote:
>
>> Hey Scott - tried your first script and it works fine for me. (LC 4.5.3
>> on OSX 10.6.6)
>>
>> Marty Knapp
>
>>> Houston, I think we have a problem.
>>>
>>> This script works in LC (Rev) 4 OS X but generates an error in 4.5.3:
>>>     import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj
>>>



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jan 13 01:08:26 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:08:26 -0800
Subject: Import Snapshot Broken in 4.5.3?
In-Reply-To: <C9539E56.500F7%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C953D6DA.50111%scott@tactilemedia.com>

A bit more on this problem...

When I run an "import snapshot..." script from a button placed in a stack,
the script works as expected.  When I run the script from the message box,
LC generates an error.

Anybody else see this?

LC 4.5.3, OS X 10.6.6, all 3rd party plugins removed.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, I wrote:

> Houston, I think we have a problem.
> 
> This script works in LC (Rev) 4 OS X but generates an error in 4.5.3:
>   import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj
> 
> Message execution error:
> Error description: value: error executing expression
> Hint: import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj
> 
> Other variations also fail, ie:
> 
>   import snapshot from rect (rect of btn 1) of btn 1
> 
> Message execution error:
> Error description: value: error executing expression
> Hint: import snapshot from rect (rect of btn 1) of btn 1
> 
> 
>   import snapshot from rect (10,10,100,100)
> 
> Message execution error:
> Error description: value: error executing expression
> Hint: import snapshot from rect (10,10,100,100)
> 
> Can anybody else confirm this?  Is it just me?  If not, this seems like a
> pretty important issue.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design





From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu Jan 13 01:36:12 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:36:12 -0800
Subject: Codesign Error
Message-ID: <4D2E9D5C.8060008@comcast.net>

This isn't strictly a LiveCode question but maybe someone here can help 
. . .

I'm trying to use the terminal to codesign an app for the Mac app store 
and I'm getting an "identity not found" error. I have downloaded and 
installed the WWDR intermediate certificate into KeyChain, created, 
downloaded and installed the developer certificate into KeyChain. I have 
also added to the plist file: LSApplicationCategoryType 
public.app-category.productivity: Productivity

I wasn't sure if I was supposed to add the whole category string, so I 
also tried setting the category to just "Productivity."

I have also added the proper CFBundleIdentifier

I've Googled the error code "identity not found" and am not coming up 
with much. Same on the Apple Dev support forum. I can't tell if this is 
a certificate issue, a plist issue, or "I'm just stupid issue!" Anybody 
wanna tell me where to go?

Thanks,
Marty Knapp



From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 02:17:19 2011
From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 01:17:19 -0600
Subject: Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
References: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim3xGUB8gkrHCTu4_czuTiPC3bzjPnk4UkfdPzU@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Paul --

I, too, have been limping along with a revNavigator that I can't stop using
but which has fallen behind the dev environment in a few areas. I should
really talk to the developer and convince him to update that thing...

I'll try to find some time this weekend to have a look at the layering code
to see what's going wonky. The whole thing needs a re-write in the worst
way. I hadn't done much development in Rev for several years, but in the
past year I've built three tools critical to my place of employment. If I
gave as much attention as I gave to those tools to revNavigator it would be
shining your shoes right now.

gc

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Paul Looney <support at ahsomme.com> wrote:

> Fellow Programmers,
> For many years I've used the revNavigator plugin to layer objects - to move
> objects to any layer, into and out of groups, from one group to another,
> etc.
>
> Somewhere around Rev 3.5 the revNavigator broke. Dragging objects in the
> list would only put bookmarks at the top of the list - leaving the selected
> object in its original layer. Using the Option key to move objects in groups
> (per the instructions) did not help. I am referring to revNavigator 3.0 RC
> 1.
>
> I can open the stack in an older version of Rev, with the older version of
> the Navigator and relayering works properly. BUT...
>
> Having adjusted the object layers in an older version of Rev, the DataGrids
> will not work on the stack when it is reopened in LC 4.0 or 4.5.1. All of
> the grid objects are there but they have no "intelligence":
> 1. setting the dgText of the grid group does nothing - does not produce an
> error, using a "try/catch" shows nothing
> 2. the columns are the same size but have no column widths in the Columns
> tab on the object inspector
> 3. "the behavior of group 'DataGrid'" returns empty, not "button id 1005 of
> stack "revDataGridLibrary""
> The original grids in the stack are broken.
>
> I can add new grids and they work properly. BUT...
> If I replace the old grids with new ones, I have no way to put them in the
> proper layers - short of completely rebuilding a very complex stack.
>
> So, two questions:
> 1. Can you recommend something for layering objects in LC 4.5.1 and later?
> 2. Is there a way to fix the broken datagrid described above?
>
> FYI, LC 4.0 tested on OS X 10.4.11 on a G4 PowerBook and LC 4.5.1 tested on
> OS X 10.6.6 on an Intel Mac Mini.
>
> I really appreciate your help.
> Paul Looney
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Thu Jan 13 03:34:53 2011
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:34:53 +0100
Subject: Import Snapshot Broken in 4.5.3?
In-Reply-To: <C953D6DA.50111%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C953D6DA.50111%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <3AFB86B6-3737-4088-BAD9-BC2433D6676F@numericable.com>

Hello Scott,

The same thing here (LC 4.5.2, OS X 10.6.6) with import snapshot,
and :
export snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj to file "nxFichier" as PNG
generate error message :
Message execution error:
Error description: value: error executing expression
Hint: export snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj to file "nxFichier" as PNG

Rene(?)

Le 13 janv. 2011 ? 07:08, Scott Rossi a ?crit :

> A bit more on this problem...
> 
> When I run an "import snapshot..." script from a button placed in a stack,
> the script works as expected.  When I run the script from the message box,
> LC generates an error.
> 
> Anybody else see this?
> 
> LC 4.5.3, OS X 10.6.6, all 3rd party plugins removed.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
> Recently, I wrote:
> 
>> Houston, I think we have a problem.
>> 
>> This script works in LC (Rev) 4 OS X but generates an error in 4.5.3:
>>  import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj
>> 
>> Message execution error:
>> Error description: value: error executing expression
>> Hint: import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj
>> 
>> Other variations also fail, ie:
>> 
>>  import snapshot from rect (rect of btn 1) of btn 1
>> 
>> Message execution error:
>> Error description: value: error executing expression
>> Hint: import snapshot from rect (rect of btn 1) of btn 1
>> 
>> 
>>  import snapshot from rect (10,10,100,100)
>> 
>> Message execution error:
>> Error description: value: error executing expression
>> Hint: import snapshot from rect (10,10,100,100)
>> 
>> Can anybody else confirm this?  Is it just me?  If not, this seems like a
>> pretty important issue.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Thu Jan 13 07:19:30 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:19:30 +0000
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <1294882146979-3215086.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2DBC8E.2020101@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTinzP=MOUavP4x0sa=S6oJNmcWJxs+iv0cCJWmd2@mail.gmail.com>
	<1294882146979-3215086.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinRavKNnWUooAxRz_yz+-BKbjC+KngFYLp0Mgxk@mail.gmail.com>

On 13 January 2011 01:29, Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Recently, in other messages, you mentioned
> saving stacks as xml and using "git", the
> distributed revision control system.
> Now, this thread is about data type checking.
>
> Are you developing stacks as xml text files
> and using Livecode scripts to convert them
> in binary stacks?
>

Yes - well to be accurate revamping it. I've been storing scripts and staks
in CVS / SVN and now GIT for the last 10 years. Originaaly I used a full XML
based file structure, but did not need it, so for years I have been storing
only the full stacks and the scripts (so I can diff the scripts).

With recent changes to to engine so that you can set id properties of
objects full text based stack representations are possible. As there are now
a number of fairly large open source projects within the community with
compatible licenses (revignitor / MetaCard / glxApp framework and GLX script
editor), and I have a need to store the full behavior based widget
components in a robust way - I'm putting in a bunch of work to release this
for the conference.

We are starting to cover some of these topics on www.livecode.tv, and also
in ChatRev, and there is an open invitation for anyone interested in
developing community resources to take part, show work, and contribute code.
I'm putting the finishing touches to the file format now. It is not XML
based, it is array based with a default text and folder based export format.
There is an optional XML version of the format for projects that would want
an XML based version. The format is optimised for speed and for utility when
working with revision control systems.

I'm currently adding (optional) aliases to the format - these are presently
used internally in the stack format to store info about shared elements like
backgrounds only once. However I want to extend them for globally shared
elements, such as standardised view components from other stacks, and
standardised handlers from libraries. This will be optional, but allow you
to make it easier to maintain re-usable elements under version control that
many projects and stack use - that way you can create stub stacks or
handlers, and simply by the act of saving and reloading the stacks - they
will pull in all the recent widgets and handlers.

I hope to be previewing this the next LiveCode TV event - see you there!


NB - Alejandro, I want to show and share the code for interfacing with
WikiPedia some time. How did you get along with your offline WikiPedia
project - maybe we could work together on a presentation - even if it is
work-in-progress?


From th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com  Thu Jan 13 07:59:52 2011
From: th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com (Thierry)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:59:52 +0100
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinRavKNnWUooAxRz_yz+-BKbjC+KngFYLp0Mgxk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2DBC8E.2020101@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTinzP=MOUavP4x0sa=S6oJNmcWJxs+iv0cCJWmd2@mail.gmail.com>
	<1294882146979-3215086.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTinRavKNnWUooAxRz_yz+-BKbjC+KngFYLp0Mgxk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DD63C1D1-97A6-4D69-9D09-2521DBB63442@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 13 janv. 2011 ? 13:19, David Bovill a ?crit :


Hi David,

> With recent changes to to engine
> so that you can set id properties of objects full text based stack
> representations are possible.

?

Would be nice if you can elaborate this one,
I can't follow you... Since when it was not possible ?

Regards,
Thierry





From curry at pair.com  Thu Jan 13 08:07:20 2011
From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 07:07:20 -0600
Subject: WordReport introductory sale ending
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5988.1294048147.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.5988.1294048147.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D2EF908.2010905@pair.com>


The intro sale on the WordReport library will end at midnight CST!
(Approx. 17 hours remaining.)

Try the demo or purchase here:

http://curryk.com/wordreport.html

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy
--
WordReport: Template-driven MS Word and OpenOffice reports,
from invoices and worksheets to catalogs and mail merge
http://curryk.com/wordreport.html




From bvg at mac.com  Thu Jan 13 08:18:43 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:18:43 +0100
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event #6
Message-ID: <69933438-B2B2-4051-876C-24B72743D7E1@mac.com>

Dearest Livers

As usual, the bestest grand and mostest exciting new online Event regarding LiveCode takes place on 20:00 CET this Saturday. ChatRev is highly suggested for asking questions and knowing when to switch stream.

http://livecode.tv

This time around, Mark will introduce you to "Creating your own Edit menu, specifically Copy, Paste, Cut and Clear, and Undo if there is time"

David aims to woo people with a shorter presentation then last time, suggesting a topic of "CSS Style Sheets for LiveCode Projects"

Other times:
Zurich is within CET
Buenos Aires: 16:00
New York:  14:00 
San Francisco: 11:00
Sydney: 06:00

Vote on the poll for times that have not been voted on much:
http://doodle.com/azvfdcvs7ew2imrx

Make sure to use ChatRev during the happening, otherwise you might miss when you'll need to change to the other stream:
http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
or:
go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"

If you want to get private, regular notification of this event, please subscribe to the rss feed of the blog (about 2 updates per week):
feed://livecode.tv/feed/

Cheers
Bjoernke


-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Jan 13 08:21:15 2011
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:21:15 -0500
Subject: Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
References: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimUZ=P8XFTbN-mkqobP43dq1BdXXOSxv+aZKfwo@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Paul Looney <support at ahsomme.com> wrote:

> Having adjusted the object layers in an older version of Rev, the DataGrids
> will not work on the stack when it is reopened in LC 4.0 or 4.5.1. All of
> the grid objects are there but they have no "intelligence":


You probably opened the stack in a version of LiveCode that didn't support
behaviors. When it was saved all of the links between objects contained in a
data grid group and their respective behaviors were wiped out. There are a
number of behaviors you would need to reset in the data grid.

In case you want to try and reassign the behaviors I have included a list of
controls and their behaviors. I dropped a data grid on a new stack and ran a
script that generated a list of controls in the data grid and the behavior
assigned to each one:

behavior for group "DataGrid 1": button "Data Grid" of group "Behaviors" of
card "card id 1002" of stack "revDataGridLibrary"

behavior for button "dgTrackDragDrop" of group "DataGrid 1" of card id 1002
of stack "Untitled 1": button "Track Drag & Drop" of group "Behaviors" of
card "card id 1002" of stack "revDataGridLibrary"

behavior for group "dgList" of group "dgListMask" of group "DataGrid 1" of
card id 1002 of stack "Untitled 1": button "dgList Message Catcher" of group
"Behaviors" of card "card id 1002" of stack "revDataGridLibrary"

behavior for group "dgDropIndicator" of group "dgListMask" of group
"DataGrid 1" of card id 1002 of stack "Untitled 1": button "Drop Indicator"
of group "Behaviors" of card "card id 1002" of stack "revDataGridLibrary"

behavior for group "dgHeaderMask" of group "dgHeaderComponents" of group
"DataGrid 1" of card id 1002 of stack "Untitled 1": button "Header Mask" of
group "Behaviors" of card "card id 1002" of stack "revDataGridLibrary"

behavior for group "dgHeader" of group "dgHeaderMask" of group
"dgHeaderComponents" of group "DataGrid 1" of card id 1002 of stack
"Untitled 1": button "Header" of group "Behaviors" of card "card id 1002" of
stack "revDataGridLibrary"

behavior for scrollbar "dgHScrollbar" of group "dgHorizontalComponents" of
group "DataGrid 1" of card id 1002 of stack "Untitled 1": button "Horizontal
Scrollbar" of group "Behaviors" of card "card id 1002" of stack
"revDataGridLibrary"

behavior for scrollbar "dgScrollbar" of group "DataGrid 1" of card id 1002
of stack "Untitled 1": button "Vertical Scrollbar" of group "Behaviors" of
card "card id 1002" of stack "revDataGridLibrary"


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers:
http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Jan 13 08:26:41 2011
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:26:41 -0500
Subject: Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <68DCB5E5-36F2-482C-B07B-6D27236241CD@twft.com>
References: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
	<DFD6BFEC-4B22-4934-A470-E7BF9E5B6297@califex.com>
	<68DCB5E5-36F2-482C-B07B-6D27236241CD@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=sfn_7py7jjOHBZ7+D6-Bsiv80fUU3=u02pFHQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> Are we sure that Trevor is not a super intelligent albeit benevolent alien
> species sent here to hasten mankind's progress to interstellar status?
>

You wouldn't say such things if you knew how many times I've locked myself
out of my house.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From coiin at verizon.net  Thu Jan 13 08:27:41 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:27:41 -0500
Subject: Codesign Error
In-Reply-To: <4D2E9D5C.8060008@comcast.net>
References: <4D2E9D5C.8060008@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <152A6562-8047-4340-BCA2-AEB1A156BC61@verizon.net>

Here are steps that someone doing a Unity app succeeded with, there may be something in the lines that stands out as being different to what you're doing:

Permissions - Change permissions of Unity's Data folder - it has to get read rights for "everyone" 
chmod -R a+xr "Bubble Bang.app/Contents/Data"

Code Signing:
codesign -f -s "3rd Party Mac Developer Application: Martin Schultz" "Bubble Bang.app"

Build package:
productbuild --component "Bubble Bang.app" /Applications --sign "3rd Party Mac Developer Installer: Martin Schultz" --product "Bubble Bang.app/Contents/Info.plist" BubbleBang.pkg

Testing:
sudo installer -store -pkg "BubbleBang.pkg" -target /




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Jan 13 08:41:39 2011
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:41:39 -0500
Subject: DataGrid Drag and Drop with Move action
In-Reply-To: <659CDA23-81D8-41FE-8269-A890E2EBEF6B@twft.com>
References: <659CDA23-81D8-41FE-8269-A890E2EBEF6B@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiniiBL=c=fkGBrT-BwtZnBxapz3z0dETqN=RsPS@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> Just thought I'd check to see if there is an easy way to move instead of
> copy data from one datagrid to another. I can hack a way I'm sure, but I
> figured that:
>
> set the dragAction to "move" -- instead of copy
>

There is no built in way to do this. Changing properties of the dragAction
only specifies what should be done when the user finishes dragging, it won't
actually change any application behavior (besides changing the cursor).

-- 

Trevor DeVore

Blue Mango Learning Systems

www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Jan 13 08:38:54 2011
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:38:54 -0500
Subject: Accessing 'ntext' fields from SQL Server over ODBC (Windows)
In-Reply-To: <4D2DA3B6.1070906@cogapp.com>
References: <4D2DA3B6.1070906@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimkHWqf8qWkqEVOW=YPZtSONq12qrNQoyrCtYdZ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:

>
> Has anyone else worked successfully (or otherwise) with ntext fields over
> ODBC on Windows?
>

Which ODBC driver are you using? You mentioned the default driver so I
assume the "SQL Server" one. Try installing the "SQL Server Native Client
10.0" driver and seeing if that fixes your problem. There is information on
the driver and a link to the download page on a lesson in a manual on my
company website:

http://help.bluemangolearning.com/spaces/screensteps/manuals/screensteps-workgroup/lessons/17300-Creating-ODBC-Connections-on-Windows

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From paolo.mazza at neol.it  Thu Jan 13 08:49:01 2011
From: paolo.mazza at neol.it (paolo mazza)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:49:01 +0100
Subject: Answer dialog and stack background color 
Message-ID: <fc.000f58e501c92a0b000f58e501c92a0b.1c92a9e@fc.neol.it>

Hi all,
I am working with LiveCode 4.5.3 / Mac and it happened to me something
weird.

If I set the background color of the stack to black, and then I send an
"answer" command, using the IDE I get the standard grey answer dialog
window. Fine.

But, if I export the stack, and I send an "answer" command from the
applications (mac and windows), the answer dialog window I get has a BLACK
background color.

In other words, the answer dialog windows in the applications are whole
black !!!

I think this is a bug. How can I fix it ??

All the best

Paolo Mazza


******************************************

Paolo Mazza
NEOL SRL
Societ?  partecipata da Universit?  di Padova
via Redipuglia 22
35131 - Padova (Italy)
Tel 049 - 29 53 430
www.neol.it



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu Jan 13 09:15:34 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:15:34 +0100
Subject: Answer dialog and stack background color 
In-Reply-To: <fc.000f58e501c92a0b000f58e501c92a0b.1c92a9e@fc.neol.it>
References: <fc.000f58e501c92a0b000f58e501c92a0b.1c92a9e@fc.neol.it>
Message-ID: <A87049BD-60F5-4255-A743-056AFC59EC40@major.on-rev.com>

Buongiorno Paolo,:

> Hi all,
> I am working with LiveCode 4.5.3 / Mac and it happened to me something
> weird.
> 
> If I set the background color of the stack to black, and then I send an
> "answer" command, using the IDE I get the standard grey answer dialog
> window. Fine.
> 
> But, if I export the stack, and I send an "answer" command from the
> applications (mac and windows), the answer dialog window I get has a BLACK
> background color.
> 
> In other words, the answer dialog windows in the applications are whole
> black !!!
> 
> I think this is a bug. How can I fix it ??

it looks like a bug, but isn't :-)

The Ask and Answer Dialog stacks do not have their background color property set!
(Should they???)

In the IDE they "inherit" this property from the "home" stack (? not sure) and in
a standalone they "inherit" this property from your mainstack, which is black in your case.

So you should do something like this:
...
set the backgroundcolor of stack "Answer Dialog" to white ## or whatever
answer ...
...

Same for the ASK dialog.

> All the best
> 
> Paolo Mazza

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 09:36:37 2011
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:36:37 +0100
Subject: Answer dialog and stack background color
In-Reply-To: <A87049BD-60F5-4255-A743-056AFC59EC40@major.on-rev.com>
References: <fc.000f58e501c92a0b000f58e501c92a0b.1c92a9e@fc.neol.it>
	<A87049BD-60F5-4255-A743-056AFC59EC40@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinjCW42ux9iHspK7faoTUX7VHxs-B41X40ZjYVP@mail.gmail.com>

Ok. We can fix it this way.
Thank you Klaus.



From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Jan 13 10:01:23 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:01:23 -0200
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <DD63C1D1-97A6-4D69-9D09-2521DBB63442@sunnyrevtalk.com>
References: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2DBC8E.2020101@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTinzP=MOUavP4x0sa=S6oJNmcWJxs+iv0cCJWmd2@mail.gmail.com>
	<1294882146979-3215086.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTinRavKNnWUooAxRz_yz+-BKbjC+KngFYLp0Mgxk@mail.gmail.com>
	<DD63C1D1-97A6-4D69-9D09-2521DBB63442@sunnyrevtalk.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=auqqggB53+8DRHzR3wBLOWve2BKabfY66sqAN@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Thierry <th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com> wrote:
>
> Le 13 janv. 2011 ? 13:19, David Bovill a ?crit :
>
>
> Hi David,
>
>> With recent changes to to engine
>> so that you can set id properties of objects full text based stack
>> representations are possible.
>
> ?
>
> Would be nice if you can elaborate this one,
> I can't follow you... Since when it was not possible ?
>

till late 4.5.x we could not set ids for all objects by hand. That
prevented textual representation of stacks because the restore
operation would have different ids assigned by the engine which you
could not change. Now you can.


> Regards,
> Thierry
>
>
>
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From mark.hausmann at jessenlenz.com  Thu Jan 13 10:23:29 2011
From: mark.hausmann at jessenlenz.com (mark.hausmann at jessenlenz.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:23:29 +0100
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?AUTO=3A_Mark_Hausmann=2Fjl1_ist_au=DFer_Haus=2E_=28?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=FCckkehr_am_14=2E01=2E2011=29?=
Message-ID: <OF8FE88AA9.5C44E497-ON41257817.00548C39-41257817.00548C37@jessenlenz.com>


Ich bin bis 14.01.2011 abwesend

Ich werde Ihre Nachricht nach meiner R?ckkehr beantworten. In dringenden
F?llen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen Kollegen Horst Strohkirch, email:
horst.strohkirch at pdap.de


Hinweis: Dies ist eine automatische Antwort auf Ihre Nachricht
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From th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com  Thu Jan 13 10:33:01 2011
From: th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com (Thierry)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:33:01 +0100
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=auqqggB53+8DRHzR3wBLOWve2BKabfY66sqAN@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikc94YvA49r5N=Y4ev6DGF9KsALLuks7dmQpvkG@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2DBC8E.2020101@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTinzP=MOUavP4x0sa=S6oJNmcWJxs+iv0cCJWmd2@mail.gmail.com>
	<1294882146979-3215086.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTinRavKNnWUooAxRz_yz+-BKbjC+KngFYLp0Mgxk@mail.gmail.com>
	<DD63C1D1-97A6-4D69-9D09-2521DBB63442@sunnyrevtalk.com>
	<AANLkTi=auqqggB53+8DRHzR3wBLOWve2BKabfY66sqAN@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <716FD92F-B093-4B94-ABD7-AA196DCD3C86@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 13 janv. 2011 ? 16:01, Andre Garzia a ?crit :

> till late 4.5.x we could not set ids for all objects by hand.

Thanks Andre,

I missed this new information... Great !


> That prevented textual representation of stacks because the restore
> operation would have different ids assigned by the engine which you
> could not change. Now you can.

Umm, I've done those kinds of thing even at the Metacard days....
 ( was a bit tricky, but it did work ).
That's probably why I didn't understand this statement...



I'll send you some really nice and smelly good French cheese :)

Oups, I'll be in trouble soon...

Thierry




From davidocoker at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 10:50:47 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:50:47 -0600
Subject: Answer dialog and stack background color
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinjCW42ux9iHspK7faoTUX7VHxs-B41X40ZjYVP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc.000f58e501c92a0b000f58e501c92a0b.1c92a9e@fc.neol.it>
	<A87049BD-60F5-4255-A743-056AFC59EC40@major.on-rev.com>
	<AANLkTinjCW42ux9iHspK7faoTUX7VHxs-B41X40ZjYVP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=iNrM7a-0yoa_skzSOvGQvXezqjxeAqOWazfnL@mail.gmail.com>

...I never knew we could do that. Very helpful!
As the old saying goes... learn something new every day. :)

Thanks Klaus!

Best regards,
David C.



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Jan 13 10:56:44 2011
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:56:44 -0700
Subject: Vent!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik_yPoDf7KJ4ojDKLNoq1vvd=N94mt795CqwcWR@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1291485602.18425.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<B7374383-E593-457E-A75A-D4C4176584C7@mac.com>
	<AANLkTik_yPoDf7KJ4ojDKLNoq1vvd=N94mt795CqwcWR@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FC232843-0F30-4728-BA86-04433F36DA58@byu.edu>

On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Jeff Massung wrote:

> I know it's a vent/rant, and while LC is completely awesome in -many- I have
> to completely agree with this... I don't know how many times I've been
> bitten switching to the pointer tool and think I'm typing something in a
> field only to change the name of the stack w/o realizing it and cause myself
> 15+ minutes worth of problems.
> 
> I'm not sure closing the inspector makes sense, but certainly making it so I
> can't accidentally screw myself in pointer mode would be nice. ;-)
> 
> Jeff M.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> The most annoying thing I experience with LiveCode is when stack properties
>> get inadvertently changed after switching from the Pointer tool to the
>> Browse tool and vice versa, whilst the Property Inspector is open. Can
>> anyone suggest a way around this without locking or manually closing the
>> inspector? I would prefer that the inspector automatically close when
>> selecting the Browse tool instead of it reverting to the stack properties.
>> Better yet, I would prefer it to not change and remain focussed on the last
>> control! TIA.

I agree, it's a problem, especially for new users. But even after 10 years it still rears up and bites me in the backside every once in a while. The results are never pretty. Still, it's a big improvement over early versions of Rev where it seemed I was always renaming stacks and wreaking havoc on my projects.

A thought just occurred to me--what if you opened the property inspector for the stack and locked it? Then you could open a second, unlocked property inspector that would be live for other objects, but would not flip to the stack when you went into run mode. I haven't tested it, but it seems like that would at least reduce the likelihood of inadvertently changing stack properties.

Regards,

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University




From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Jan 13 11:02:11 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:02:11 EST
Subject: ID's are settable???
Message-ID: <2c0f2.78944fa2.3a607c03@aol.com>

Is it so? You can now set the id of any object, like a button?

I tried it, and you can. Did I miss this somewhere?

I think this is a terrible new feature, If I am not missing something. What 
is the point of the altID now, which used to be very cool?

Craig Newman


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 13 11:02:16 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:02:16 -0800
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
Message-ID: <4D2F2208.9080901@fourthworld.com>

Thierry wrote:

> Le 13 janv. 2011 ? 16:01, Andre Garzia a ?crit :
>> till late 4.5.x we could not set ids for all objects by hand.
...
>> That prevented textual representation of stacks because the restore
>> operation would have different ids assigned by the engine which you
>> could not change. Now you can.
>
> Umm, I've done those kinds of thing even at the Metacard days....
>  ( was a bit tricky, but it did work ).

How did you do that for any objects other than images?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From martyknapp at comcast.net  Thu Jan 13 11:19:16 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:19:16 -0800
Subject: Codesign Error
In-Reply-To: <152A6562-8047-4340-BCA2-AEB1A156BC61@verizon.net>
References: <4D2E9D5C.8060008@comcast.net>
	<152A6562-8047-4340-BCA2-AEB1A156BC61@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4D2F2604.8080703@comcast.net>

Hey Colin,

My app doesn't have a data folder in the bundle, so it didn't do that 
step. The codesign command you suggested is exactly what I tried. As 
that didn't work, I didn't get any further.

I need to get to the bottom of what "no identity found" is referring to 
- I'm assuming that it's either a certificate problem or a plist 
problem, though that's just a guess on my part.

I tried the "Signing Assistant" program that you can download from the 
Rev newsletter of a few issues ago, in the article, 'LiveCode Apps for 
the Mac Store" but it isn't working for me either. I assume it's running 
into the same problem, though it does not appear to have any error 
reporting.

I'm pretty new to using the Terminal and it seems to me that Apple 
should supply something a bit better for a routine task like this. Or do 
the codesigning themselves when you upload your app.

So I'm stuck at this point. I've sent tech support questions to Apple in 
the past and I've never gotten a response, so haven't done that with 
this issue.

Marty
> Here are steps that someone doing a Unity app succeeded with, there may be something in the lines that stands out as being different to what you're doing:
>
> Permissions - Change permissions of Unity's Data folder - it has to get read rights for "everyone"
> chmod -R a+xr "Bubble Bang.app/Contents/Data"
>
> Code Signing:
> codesign -f -s "3rd Party Mac Developer Application: Martin Schultz" "Bubble Bang.app"
>
> Build package:
> productbuild --component "Bubble Bang.app" /Applications --sign "3rd Party Mac Developer Installer: Martin Schultz" --product "Bubble Bang.app/Contents/Info.plist" BubbleBang.pkg
>
> Testing:
> sudo installer -store -pkg "BubbleBang.pkg" -target /
>



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 13 11:21:37 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:21:37 -0800
Subject: ID's are settable???
Message-ID: <4D2F2691.9050304@fourthworld.com>

DunbarX wrote:

> Is it so? You can now set the id of any object, like a button?

Yep.

> I tried it, and you can. Did I miss this somewhere?

I believe it's in the Engine Change log, but comes with a caveat that it 
was added specifically to facilitate translating stacks to and from a 
textual format and any other use is unsupported and at your own risk.

Given the power to completely muck up your work with ID conflicts, the 
caveat is understandable.

> I think this is a terrible new feature, If I am not missing something. What
> is the point of the altID now, which used to be very cool?

The altID property was first implemented for importing SuperCard 
projects, for the benefit of those scripts that refer to objects by 
their ID.

Back then Dr. Raney took a dim view of user-settable IDs, recognizing it 
as handing the scripter a gun and a map to one's foot. ;)

That said, for the careful developer the ability to set IDs is a 
wonderful thing, and for the most part now obviates any need for altID.



Side note: among the other caveats wisely applied with setting IDs, 
you'll want to be aware of the ID limit currently in LiveCode, which is 
a little over 2 billion.

IDs begin by default at 1002 for the card, with any new object getting 
1003 and so on. The stack ID has the unique role of being used only as 
the storage for the highest ID currently in use; you can expect it to 
change as you add new objects.

Since IDs begin with 1002 it seems unlikely that anyone will ever exceed 
the 2 billion limit, but consider the DataGrid and other such things 
that may create and dispose of hundreds of objects at a time.  Such 
things may over the course of several years raise the ID incrementer 
beyond 2 billion, sooner if you set the ID to a very high number manually.

In testing out what happens when the ID limit is reached, I found a 
curious thing:  you can continue to create new objects, but once their 
IDs pass the limit they will no longer respond to the pointer tool, and 
may eventually make a stack unopenable.

The good news is that the workaround is relatively simple:   if you see 
a stack moving its IDs toward the limit, you can make a new stack and 
copy the objects from the old one to the new one, effectively resetting 
their IDs to start at 1002 again.

It might be nice to have the ID limit raised, or to find some method to 
roll over and reuse unused IDs, but I recognize these options would be 
costly to implement and indeed it's a rare case where one would need to 
be concerned about it anyway.

But that said, I have one project which uses two data grids and a custom 
control comprised of a few hundred objects which is rebuilt dynamically 
with certain user actions.  In that project the IDs are currently over 2 
million.  The good news is that the stack is never saved when running in 
the standalone (the data is stored separately from the UI), so the IDs 
only increment in development.  Still, I can expect that during the life 
cycle of the project we will need to do the copy-and-paste to reset the IDs.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Jan 13 11:25:28 2011
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:25:28 -0600
Subject: Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <B7F67AFB-6513-44E8-A139-9FEFE03811E4@gmail.com>
References: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
	<DFD6BFEC-4B22-4934-A470-E7BF9E5B6297@califex.com>
	<B7F67AFB-6513-44E8-A139-9FEFE03811E4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimUZr=JY3gMYb2KxagVf++uUsg-TzoLt_dj=A4g@mail.gmail.com>

AltLayerTools
http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altLayerTools.rev
It keeps you from moving objects in and out of groups. It only move groups
around.

just put in msg box:
go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altLayerTools.rev"
then save to plugins. I use with my toolbar palette.

here's another which is most helpful:
AltGroupMgr
http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altGroupMgr.txt

It does a great job of placing and removing groups on different cards.

Both use ZERO frontscripts in favor of a 'refresh button,' mostly for
robustness and lack of conflict with some of my other frontscripts. I really
need to create a single frontscript library which manages everything. C'est
la vie.


On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 12, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:
>
>  On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:20 PM, Paul Looney wrote:
>>
>>  So, two questions:
>>> 1. Can you recommend something for layering objects in LC 4.5.1 and
>>> later?
>>>
>>
>> Chipp?s AltLayerTools does it for me!
>>
>
> Is this still available? I can't find it on the Altuit website.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
>
>
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CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc.


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Thu Jan 13 12:12:19 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:12:19 +0000
Subject: ID's are settable???
In-Reply-To: <4D2F2691.9050304@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2F2691.9050304@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimjRjh2E8T2i4RYKU-OzO-gM8w-F7EDCBr92cpr@mail.gmail.com>

Richard - what happens in your test if you reset the ids of objects - can
you reset the stack ID and hence that of all newly created objects by some
combination of setting all the obects say back to their fressh id status?

That is is the stack id not automatically created as the incremental
increase of the biggest real id - and not stored as a prop? If so it should
work to reset the ids back to 1002++ with or without resetting the stack id?

On 13 January 2011 16:21, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> The good news is that the workaround is relatively simple:   if you see a
> stack moving its IDs toward the limit, you can make a new stack and copy the
> objects from the old one to the new one, effectively resetting their IDs to
> start at 1002 again.
>
> It might be nice to have the ID limit raised, or to find some method to
> roll over and reuse unused IDs, but I recognize these options would be
> costly to implement and indeed it's a rare case where one would need to be
> concerned about it anyway.
>
> But that said, I have one project which uses two data grids and a custom
> control comprised of a few hundred objects which is rebuilt dynamically with
> certain user actions.  In that project the IDs are currently over 2 million.
>  The good news is that the stack is never saved when running in the
> standalone (the data is stored separately from the UI), so the IDs only
> increment in development.  Still, I can expect that during the life cycle of
> the project we will need to do the copy-and-paste to reset the IDs.
>


From JRARICK at hpsk12.net  Thu Jan 13 12:18:50 2011
From: JRARICK at hpsk12.net (JACK RARICK)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:18:50 -0500
Subject: data transfer with webDAV
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimTcG1ZkoSevbvxYYDR6jvsJsSpVynNOj_zyo1-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=whjEkUG-U_sGm6CUqwT9V7idtneg903fyqCs1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D288DB7.809@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin1+d80sMvSPdS793np8xkf8vR6zvhkEUuurUCX@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D289394.5000607@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimX5QfPMGH6jETZc+brEiizPM53kdZ8mzPJgtHE@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D289A77.4050700@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimTcG1ZkoSevbvxYYDR6jvsJsSpVynNOj_zyo1-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE8924C1632421429E640A92A28FB87863B1270E@NGC-EXCHMD-01.hpsk12.net>

Hi all!

I am writing a program that moves data (TEXT FILES) across the 'net - usually from schools. Most of these schools have pretty restrictive firewalls. I am able to use webDAV - but am totally confused on the correct line/lines of code to use to send data out and get data back.

I would have liked to use FTP ... but alas, I can't get through. 

Any help, ideas, places to look would be greatly appreciated.


Jack Rarick
Freshmen Center - Holt Public Schools
Earth Science
Technology Coodinator
Varsity Men's Track & Field
Varsity Football - Offensive Line Coach, Peanut Butter Coordinator



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 13 12:39:39 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:39:39 -0800
Subject: Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=sfn_7py7jjOHBZ7+D6-Bsiv80fUU3=u02pFHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
	<DFD6BFEC-4B22-4934-A470-E7BF9E5B6297@califex.com>
	<68DCB5E5-36F2-482C-B07B-6D27236241CD@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=sfn_7py7jjOHBZ7+D6-Bsiv80fUU3=u02pFHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <747589FC-F29C-4CDF-B59D-A55F3158AEC8@twft.com>

That's exactly what a super intelligent albeit benevolent alien would say!

Bob


On Jan 13, 2011, at 5:26 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> 
>> Are we sure that Trevor is not a super intelligent albeit benevolent alien
>> species sent here to hasten mankind's progress to interstellar status?
>> 
> 
> You wouldn't say such things if you knew how many times I've locked myself
> out of my house.
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 13 12:44:46 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:44:46 -0800
Subject: ID's are settable???
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimjRjh2E8T2i4RYKU-OzO-gM8w-F7EDCBr92cpr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D2F2691.9050304@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTimjRjh2E8T2i4RYKU-OzO-gM8w-F7EDCBr92cpr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BA98CE8A-F99E-4D7A-9271-9D11AFE3B89C@twft.com>

I recall in a thread a while back someone was trying to set the stack ID and was having trouble. I think the engine reverts it. 

Bob


On Jan 13, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> Richard - what happens in your test if you reset the ids of objects - can
> you reset the stack ID and hence that of all newly created objects by some
> combination of setting all the obects say back to their fressh id status?
> 
> That is is the stack id not automatically created as the incremental
> increase of the biggest real id - and not stored as a prop? If so it should
> work to reset the ids back to 1002++ with or without resetting the stack id?
> 
> On 13 January 2011 16:21, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
>> The good news is that the workaround is relatively simple:   if you see a
>> stack moving its IDs toward the limit, you can make a new stack and copy the
>> objects from the old one to the new one, effectively resetting their IDs to
>> start at 1002 again.
>> 
>> It might be nice to have the ID limit raised, or to find some method to
>> roll over and reuse unused IDs, but I recognize these options would be
>> costly to implement and indeed it's a rare case where one would need to be
>> concerned about it anyway.
>> 
>> But that said, I have one project which uses two data grids and a custom
>> control comprised of a few hundred objects which is rebuilt dynamically with
>> certain user actions.  In that project the IDs are currently over 2 million.
>> The good news is that the stack is never saved when running in the
>> standalone (the data is stored separately from the UI), so the IDs only
>> increment in development.  Still, I can expect that during the life cycle of
>> the project we will need to do the copy-and-paste to reset the IDs.
>> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 13 12:46:57 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:46:57 -0800
Subject: ID's are settable???
Message-ID: <4D2F3A91.3030701@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

> Richard - what happens in your test if you reset the ids of objects - can
> you reset the stack ID and hence that of all newly created objects by some
> combination of setting all the obects say back to their fressh id status?
>
> That is is the stack id not automatically created as the incremental
> increase of the biggest real id - and not stored as a prop? If so it should
> work to reset the ids back to 1002++ with or without resetting the stack id?

Apparently you can set the ID of a stack to a higher number than it 
currently is, but attempting to set it to a lower number will generate 
an error stating "invalid id (must be greater than current id)".

This is reasonable to expect given the stack's unique role as the 
arbiter of IDs:  as long as there's no internal list of all IDs 
currently in use (and given the compact size of stack files I certainly 
don't mind that there isn't), if you could set the stack ID lower you 
would risk creating a new object whose ID would conflict with an 
existing one.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Jan 13 13:02:11 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:02:11 EST
Subject: ID's are settable???
Message-ID: <34c22.76ead24f.3a609823@aol.com>

Richard.

So the id of a new object is indexed from the current stack ID. I thought 
(for no reason at all) it was the other way around, that the stack took on 
the id of a new object. I guess this way is more compact; the stack id 
property is the id counter.

Anyway, I will just do what I always did, never think about setting an id, 
and the issue (feature?) goes away. I use altID's, and they can continue to 
do their thing.

Craig
In a message dated 1/13/11 12:50:47 PM, ambassador at fourthworld.com writes:


> This is reasonable to expect given the stack's unique role as the
> arbiter of IDs:? as long as there's no internal list of all IDs
> currently in use (and given the compact size of stack files I certainly
> don't mind that there isn't), if you could set the stack ID lower you
> would risk creating a new object whose ID would conflict with an
> existing one.
> 


From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Thu Jan 13 13:15:33 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:15:33 -0800
Subject: Vent!
In-Reply-To: <B7374383-E593-457E-A75A-D4C4176584C7@mac.com>
References: <mailman.3.1291485602.18425.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<B7374383-E593-457E-A75A-D4C4176584C7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <18BE586E-404E-49A9-BCED-2D54C96946B6@mollysrevenge.com>

Livecode is a great tool but the IDE is full of user interface weirdnesses as far as I'm concerned.  There are three different Find/Replace dialogs and you're never sure which one will pop up when you press command-F.  The File menu contents are completely different depending on which window is active.  The  message box appears and disappears at what seem to be completely random intervals.  How nice would it be to have an Application Browser option to list stacks, not cards, in alphabetical order.  

You get used to all that stuff over time but it can be a nightmare for new users (at least it was for me).

Pete Haworth

On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Roger Guay wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> The most annoying thing I experience with LiveCode is when stack properties get inadvertently changed after switching from the Pointer tool to the Browse tool and vice versa, whilst the Property Inspector is open. Can anyone suggest a way around this without locking or manually closing the inspector? I would prefer that the inspector automatically close when selecting the Browse tool instead of it reverting to the stack properties. Better yet, I would prefer it to not change and remain focussed on the last control! TIA.
> 
> Thanks and cheers,
> Roger Guay
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 13 13:26:40 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:26:40 -0800
Subject: ID's are settable???
Message-ID: <4D2F43E0.7060508@fourthworld.com>

DunbarX wrote:

> So the id of a new object is indexed from the current stack ID. I thought
> (for no reason at all) it was the other way around, that the stack took on
> the id of a new object. I guess this way is more compact; the stack id
> property is the id counter.

Unless I misunderstand, I think the difference is semantic/philosophical.

Whether the stack ID is incremented before an object is created, or 
whether it's after, I don't know.  I just know that by the time we have 
any way to know, both are in synch, and as you say the stack ID is the 
ID counter.


> Anyway, I will just do what I always did, never think about setting an id,
> and the issue (feature?) goes away. I use altID's, and they can continue to
> do their thing.

They continue to work, AFAIK, but have similar limitations in range so 
it may be useful to keep that in mind if you create and delete many 
objects at a time.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Jan 13 13:38:35 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:38:35 -0800
Subject: data transfer with webDAV
In-Reply-To: <FE8924C1632421429E640A92A28FB87863B1270E@NGC-EXCHMD-01.hpsk12.net>
References: <AANLkTi=whjEkUG-U_sGm6CUqwT9V7idtneg903fyqCs1@mail.gmail.com>	<4D288DB7.809@gmail.com>	<AANLkTin1+d80sMvSPdS793np8xkf8vR6zvhkEUuurUCX@mail.gmail.com>	<4D289394.5000607@gmail.com>	<AANLkTimX5QfPMGH6jETZc+brEiizPM53kdZ8mzPJgtHE@mail.gmail.com>	<4D289A77.4050700@gmail.com>	<AANLkTimTcG1ZkoSevbvxYYDR6jvsJsSpVynNOj_zyo1-@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE8924C1632421429E640A92A28FB87863B1270E@NGC-EXCHMD-01.hpsk12.net>
Message-ID: <4D2F46AB.3000204@pdslabs.net>

Hi Jack,

On Mac or Windows, you can navigate to files on a mounted WebDAV server like you 
would to a file on any other mounted volume (e.g. external HD).

     answer file "Pick a file:"
     if it = empty then exit to top
     put it into fld "pickedFileName"

If you do this once, then you'll see the path as LC sees it and can move forward 
from there.

On Mac, mounted webDAV servers are listed in "the volumes" and can be treated 
like any other mounted drive.
On Windows 7 (after you have modified registry settings so it lets you use 
webDAV servers), webDAV server names don't show up in "the volumes" as far as I 
can tell. But you can access files on a mounted webDAV server by using the 
file's UNC path, like this (after LC converts the slashes):

     //projects.myserver.com/DavWWWRoot/MountedVolumeName/MyFolder/MyFile.pdf

I forget exactly how webDAV access works on earlier Windows versions, but it's 
all doable. (Digging around...) Here's the step-by-step I set up for the 
customers of one client - use at your own risk, but I've never received a 
trouble report on it:

     http://projects.nweta.com/

Maybe these hints will get you started.

Phil Davis



On 1/13/11 9:18 AM, JACK RARICK wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> I am writing a program that moves data (TEXT FILES) across the 'net - usually from schools. Most of these schools have pretty restrictive firewalls. I am able to use webDAV - but am totally confused on the correct line/lines of code to use to send data out and get data back.
>
> I would have liked to use FTP ... but alas, I can't get through.
>
> Any help, ideas, places to look would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> Jack Rarick
> Freshmen Center - Holt Public Schools
> Earth Science
> Technology Coodinator
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> Varsity Football - Offensive Line Coach, Peanut Butter Coordinator
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 13:43:25 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:43:25 -0500
Subject: Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimUZr=JY3gMYb2KxagVf++uUsg-TzoLt_dj=A4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
	<DFD6BFEC-4B22-4934-A470-E7BF9E5B6297@califex.com>
	<B7F67AFB-6513-44E8-A139-9FEFE03811E4@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimUZr=JY3gMYb2KxagVf++uUsg-TzoLt_dj=A4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2F365E0-4DF3-4483-8213-E59EC4821454@gmail.com>

On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> AltLayerTools
> http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altLayerTools.rev
> It keeps you from moving objects in and out of groups. It only move  
> groups
> around.
>
> just put in msg box:
> go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altLayerTools.rev"
> then save to plugins. I use with my toolbar palette.
>
> here's another which is most helpful:
> AltGroupMgr
> http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altGroupMgr.txt
>
> It does a great job of placing and removing groups on different cards.
>
> Both use ZERO frontscripts in favor of a 'refresh button,' mostly for
> robustness and lack of conflict with some of my other frontscripts.  
> I really
> need to create a single frontscript library which manages  
> everything. C'est
> la vie.

But no replacement for the really great ability that revNavigator used  
to have, of moving a control (or a group) in or out of a group? That's  
what I miss!

Geoff Canyon, can you convince that developer of yours to do something  
about this...?  :-)

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From pmbrig at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 13:50:04 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:50:04 -0500
Subject: Import Snapshot Broken in 4.5.3?
In-Reply-To: <C9539E56.500F7%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C9539E56.500F7%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <07831CB1-9F27-49D5-A585-4F876BC20B24@gmail.com>

On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Houston, I think we have a problem.
>
> This script works in LC (Rev) 4 OS X but generates an error in 4.5.3:
>  import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj
>
> Message execution error:
> Error description: value: error executing expression
> Hint: import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj

I must be missing something: the the syntax "rect of the selobj" seems  
to be what you would use for a LC property. If selobj is a variable  
then this would not be expected to work, and if it's a customprop then  
it should be "rect of the selobj of this stack" or some such. If on  
the other hand selobj contains a long id then shouldn't you use "rect  
of selobj" ? As it stands now, this is new syntax to me....

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From support at ahsomme.com  Thu Jan 13 13:53:48 2011
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:53:48 -0800
Subject: Slug saves the day. Was Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
Message-ID: <7F00B37B-AD24-4B1C-AD1E-8369C9BC8A83@ahsomme.com>

Thank you all!

To summarize since yesterday morning:

Question #1
I asked "Can you recommend something for layering objects in LC 4.5.1  
and later?"

Tereza suggested using Chipp's altLayer Tool and showed me where to  
find it (I had the same problem that Bob and Phil had locating it). I  
emailed Chipp to arrange payment; he replied that it was free!?!  
Unfortunately, while this utility moves objects within groups, it  
does not move them into, out of, or between groups - which is what I  
need (more on that in a moment). I do appreciate Chipp's (typical)  
generosity regarding this and would like to note that we use his  
Magic Carpet for every change in any of our programs - often many  
times a day.

Geoff confirmed that the problems with the current revNavigator were  
not my imagination.

So it appears that there is no way to adjust layers into, out of, or  
between groups in the LC world today.

Why do I care?
My major use of LC is for the Ahsomme Business System. It does order  
processing, accounting, purchasing, inventory control, job costing,  
machine-loading, employee scheduling, material requirement planning,  
etc. It is complex; there are over 20 databases, over 50 standard  
report templates (plus a report maker), and more than 50 auxillary  
programs. Some of these individual programs are also complex; the  
Orders Editor, for example, has 144 buttons and 436 fields (not  
counting objects in datagrid groups).
Right now I am working on a Production Status program for a company  
in New Zealand. This program uses multiple datagrids. There is a grid  
for pending orders, a grid showing the orders selected to be put in  
process, grids for materials required to support production, a grid  
comparing required material to uncommitted materials on hand and  
purchased materials due in, and several more. Obviously it is not  
possible to display everything on the screen at the same time. So, we  
hide and show groups - a lot. Usually these groups will contain one  
or more datagrids, plus additional fields or buttons. It is critical  
to have the ability to quickly and easily move newly created objects  
into the proper group. revNavigator did this perfectly, I can not  
begin to say how grateful I am to have had it!

Quoting Peter: Geoff Canyon, can you convince that developer of yours  
to do something about this...?  :-)

Question #2
I asked "Is there a way to fix the broken datagrid?"

I had already concluded that the grid was broken because the behavior  
of the grid was no longer linked - as the Slug and Trevor suggested.  
I had tried:

set the behavior of grp "myDataGrid" to button id 1005 of stack  
revDataGridLibrary

which did nothing, not even an error.

I had also tried:

set the behavior of grp "myDataGrid" to button id 1005 of stack &
quote & "revDataGridLibrary" & quote

which gave a binary error.

The Slug's recipe:

set the behavior of grp "myDataGrid" to "button id 1005 of stack " &
quote & "revDataGridLibrary" & quote

worked. With that fix the grid started displaying the text from dgText.
This also reverted other properties to their defaults, for example,  
before the fix the columns were their original and proper width but  
the columnWidth properties were empty; after the fix the columnWidth  
properties (and the columns themselves) were all "100". This is  
actually a minor problem for us and we can easily make manual repairs  
to these properties.

Trevor's list of Behaviors will help us reset all of default links  
without completely rebuilding the stack (an unimaginable exercise).

Thank you all.
Paul Looney



From irog at mac.com  Thu Jan 13 13:56:42 2011
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:56:42 -0700
Subject: Vent!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1294941601.26383.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294941601.26383.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <080A7FD6-2481-4A04-A5BB-518136D378B3@mac.com>


On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:00 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:56:44 -0700
> From: Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Vent!
> Message-ID: <FC232843-0F30-4728-BA86-04433F36DA58 at byu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Jeff Massung wrote:
> 
>> I know it's a vent/rant, and while LC is completely awesome in -many- I have
>> to completely agree with this... I don't know how many times I've been
>> bitten switching to the pointer tool and think I'm typing something in a
>> field only to change the name of the stack w/o realizing it and cause myself
>> 15+ minutes worth of problems.
>> 
>> I'm not sure closing the inspector makes sense, but certainly making it so I
>> can't accidentally screw myself in pointer mode would be nice. ;-)
>> 
>> Jeff M.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> 
>>> The most annoying thing I experience with LiveCode is when stack properties
>>> get inadvertently changed after switching from the Pointer tool to the
>>> Browse tool and vice versa, whilst the Property Inspector is open. Can
>>> anyone suggest a way around this without locking or manually closing the
>>> inspector? I would prefer that the inspector automatically close when
>>> selecting the Browse tool instead of it reverting to the stack properties.
>>> Better yet, I would prefer it to not change and remain focussed on the last
>>> control! TIA.
> 
> I agree, it's a problem, especially for new users. But even after 10 years it still rears up and bites me in the backside every once in a while. The results are never pretty. Still, it's a big improvement over early versions of Rev where it seemed I was always renaming stacks and wreaking havoc on my projects.
> 
> A thought just occurred to me--what if you opened the property inspector for the stack and locked it? Then you could open a second, unlocked property inspector that would be live for other objects, but would not flip to the stack when you went into run mode. I haven't tested it, but it seems like that would at least reduce the likelihood of inadvertently changing stack properties.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Devin
> 
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University

Good thought, Devin. Unfortunately it doesn't work. The inadvertent name change is still made to the stake, and the Inspector reads "Another inspector is operating on this object". BTW, I have determined that this problem always occurs  if I use the CommandKey+9 keys to go to the Browse tool when the Pointer tool is over the Inspector. Do you think I could train myself to not do that? Not gonna happen!!

Thanks and cheers,

Roger



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Thu Jan 13 14:04:01 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:04:01 -0800
Subject: Slug saves the day. Was Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <7F00B37B-AD24-4B1C-AD1E-8369C9BC8A83@ahsomme.com>
References: <7F00B37B-AD24-4B1C-AD1E-8369C9BC8A83@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <2FFACA9E-28D7-4C95-9876-4F06607BAE16@mollysrevenge.com>

I second this!  My ap uses extensive use of groups, often nested within each other and it is anight mare to move controls in and out of them.

Pete Haworth

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On Jan 13, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Paul Looney wrote:

>  It is critical to have the ability to quickly and easily move newly created objects into the proper group. revNavigator did this perfectly, I can not begin to say how grateful I am to have had it!
> 
> Quoting Peter: Geoff Canyon, can you convince that developer of yours to do something about this...?  :-)


From simplsol at aol.com  Thu Jan 13 14:14:36 2011
From: simplsol at aol.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:14:36 -0800
Subject: Vent!
In-Reply-To: <18BE586E-404E-49A9-BCED-2D54C96946B6@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <mailman.3.1291485602.18425.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<B7374383-E593-457E-A75A-D4C4176584C7@mac.com>
	<18BE586E-404E-49A9-BCED-2D54C96946B6@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <F24A23C0-D161-4029-9A0F-89A36AC8662A@aol.com>

And Peter,
Let's not forget:

You click a down arrow to make objects move up.
You click an up arrow to make objects move down.
You click an up arrow to make objects move right.
You click an up arrow to make objects wider.

You adjust the type size on the last panel but
you adjust the leading on the first panel.

The IDE is long overdue for an extensive overhaul. I hope this will  
be done BEFORE the next re-branding.
Paul Looney


On Jan 13, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Livecode is a great tool but the IDE is full of user interface  
> weirdnesses as far as I'm concerned.  There are three different  
> Find/Replace dialogs and you're never sure which one will pop up  
> when you press command-F.  The File menu contents are completely  
> different depending on which window is active.  The  message box  
> appears and disappears at what seem to be completely random  
> intervals.  How nice would it be to have an Application Browser  
> option to list stacks, not cards, in alphabetical order.
>
> You get used to all that stuff over time but it can be a nightmare  
> for new users (at least it was for me).
>
> Pete Haworth



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jan 13 14:25:30 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:25:30 -0800
Subject: Import Snapshot Broken in 4.5.3?
In-Reply-To: <07831CB1-9F27-49D5-A585-4F876BC20B24@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C95491AA.50193%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hi Peter:

"the selObj" is short for "the selectedObject".  It returns the long id of
whatever object is selected.  Like other LC functions, you must either use
the form "the xyz" or "xyz()".  In this case, both "the selObj" and
"selObj()" are the correct forms.

I found that the script works as expected when run from a control on the
current card, but fails when run from the message box, so it seems something
has broken in recent versions of the message box's script processing.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, Peter Brigham MD wrote:

> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> 
>> Houston, I think we have a problem.
>> 
>> This script works in LC (Rev) 4 OS X but generates an error in 4.5.3:
>>  import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj
>> 
>> Message execution error:
>> Error description: value: error executing expression
>> Hint: import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj
> 
> I must be missing something: the the syntax "rect of the selobj" seems
> to be what you would use for a LC property. If selobj is a variable
> then this would not be expected to work, and if it's a customprop then
> it should be "rect of the selobj of this stack" or some such. If on
> the other hand selobj contains a long id then shouldn't you use "rect
> of selobj" ? As it stands now, this is new syntax to me....
> 
> -- Peter
> 
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 13 14:44:53 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:44:53 -0800
Subject: ID's are settable???
In-Reply-To: <4D2F3A91.3030701@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2F3A91.3030701@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <981C815F-F2E7-4B48-A0C2-A30DC775DF2C@twft.com>

My personal opinion is that this is a bit of a kludge. Stacks should have their own unique ID like any other object, and internal objects should have their own unique ID inside each stack. The ID should be read only. If users want their own ID system, the AltID was a perfect solution for that. The ID counter could have been implemented as some kind of read only property of the stack. But that is all water under the bridge now. 

Bob


On Jan 13, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Apparently you can set the ID of a stack to a higher number than it currently is, but attempting to set it to a lower number will generate an error stating "invalid id (must be greater than current id)".
> 
> This is reasonable to expect given the stack's unique role as the arbiter of IDs:  as long as there's no internal list of all IDs currently in use (and given the compact size of stack files I certainly don't mind that there isn't), if you could set the stack ID lower you would risk creating a new object whose ID would conflict with an existing one.




From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 13 14:47:31 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:47:31 -0800
Subject: ID's are settable???
In-Reply-To: <4D2F43E0.7060508@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2F43E0.7060508@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BACF6EFA-F84B-401F-988C-B00E2D877B94@twft.com>

Not really imho. The engine looks at the stack ID, creates a new object, gives it that ID then increments the stack ID. Otherwise it would be like arguing whether an increase in the bank balance caused a deposit, or the deposit changed the bank balance. :-) (GOD I love analogies!)

Bob


On Jan 13, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Unless I misunderstand, I think the difference is semantic/philosophical.




From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 13 14:58:21 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:58:21 -0800
Subject: Vent!
In-Reply-To: <18BE586E-404E-49A9-BCED-2D54C96946B6@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <mailman.3.1291485602.18425.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<B7374383-E593-457E-A75A-D4C4176584C7@mac.com>
	<18BE586E-404E-49A9-BCED-2D54C96946B6@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <20933906-53FE-494E-9F4E-DE488939C5CC@twft.com>

I personally find the property inspector a bit annoying too. GLX2 had a pretty good property inspector, and Remo has a way to insert basic properties into the script of the object. Really nice! And you can add other properties by typing in the name using the same syntax as the other ones. 

All that said, I get the way the default property inspector works. I would find it exceptionally tedious to have to double click an object and get a fresh property inspector and then navigate to the particular tab each time I wanted to change something like the font! It works like the Adobe Property Panels or the Microsoft Property Panels work. It reflects the object(s) you currently have selected. For me, this is vastly superior as the tab does not revert simply because you selected another object. 

To each his own. 

Bob


On Jan 13, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Livecode is a great tool but the IDE is full of user interface weirdnesses as far as I'm concerned.  There are three different Find/Replace dialogs and you're never sure which one will pop up when you press command-F.  The File menu contents are completely different depending on which window is active.  The  message box appears and disappears at what seem to be completely random intervals.  How nice would it be to have an Application Browser option to list stacks, not cards, in alphabetical order.  
> 
> You get used to all that stuff over time but it can be a nightmare for new users (at least it was for me).
> 
> Pete Haworth
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> The most annoying thing I experience with LiveCode is when stack properties get inadvertently changed after switching from the Pointer tool to the Browse tool and vice versa, whilst the Property Inspector is open. Can anyone suggest a way around this without locking or manually closing the inspector? I would prefer that the inspector automatically close when selecting the Browse tool instead of it reverting to the stack properties. Better yet, I would prefer it to not change and remain focussed on the last control! TIA.
>> 
>> Thanks and cheers,
>> Roger Guay
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 13 15:02:05 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:02:05 -0800
Subject: Vent!
In-Reply-To: <18BE586E-404E-49A9-BCED-2D54C96946B6@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <mailman.3.1291485602.18425.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<B7374383-E593-457E-A75A-D4C4176584C7@mac.com>
	<18BE586E-404E-49A9-BCED-2D54C96946B6@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <8BA8CBBB-6AFA-4167-BD95-1EC3E9E6A60B@twft.com>

I'll be daggummed. I checked the short name of one of my stacks, and it was Datagrid 1! LOL! Apparently I was bitten in the butt by this same anomaly. Too funny. 

Bob

> I personally find the property inspector a bit annoying too. GLX2 had a pretty good property inspector, and Remo has a way to insert basic properties into the script of the object. Really nice! And you can add other properties by typing in the name using the same syntax as the other ones. 
> 
> All that said, I get the way the default property inspector works. I would find it exceptionally tedious to have to double click an object and get a fresh property inspector and then navigate to the particular tab each time I wanted to change something like the font! It works like the Adobe Property Panels or the Microsoft Property Panels work. It reflects the object(s) you currently have selected. For me, this is vastly superior as the tab does not revert simply because you selected another object. 
> 
> To each his own. 
> 
> Bob
> 



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Jan 13 15:03:19 2011
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:03:19 -0500
Subject: Slug saves the day. Was Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <7F00B37B-AD24-4B1C-AD1E-8369C9BC8A83@ahsomme.com>
References: <7F00B37B-AD24-4B1C-AD1E-8369C9BC8A83@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUCDi8kP69NZXGf1-wUXvNOhOPD4bGd6XfFMJP@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Paul Looney <support at ahsomme.com> wrote:

>
> So it appears that there is no way to adjust layers into, out of, or
> between groups in the LC world today.
>

There may not be a tool but I have a stack on revOnline that has handlers
for reordering into, out of or between groups. You probably want a tool but
just in case here is where you can find the handlers.

1) Download the stack at this url:
http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/299/Relayer-Selected-Control

2) Look at the stack script. Here are the handlers you will find. Perhaps
they will help.

MoveControlAfterControl

MoveControlBeforeControl

MoveControlToBeginningOfGroup

MoveControlToBeginningOfParent

MoveControlToEndOfGroup

MoveControlToEndOfParent

MoveControlTowardsBackOfParent

MoveControlTowardsBeginningOfParent


-- 

Trevor DeVore

Blue Mango Learning Systems

ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com

LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com


From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Jan 13 15:11:37 2011
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:11:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Slug saves the day. Was Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <7F00B37B-AD24-4B1C-AD1E-8369C9BC8A83@ahsomme.com>
References: <7F00B37B-AD24-4B1C-AD1E-8369C9BC8A83@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <1294949497109-3216576.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Paul,

If you use  MacOSX 10.5 or higher you could use Jerry Daniels Remo to move
things into and out of groups and change layering. 
As an aside you would have a very nice script editor replacement. :)
I like it a lot more than the application browser. 

http://remoeditor.com/

no affiliation, just using it.

Kind regards

Bernd
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From chipp at altuit.com  Thu Jan 13 15:12:13 2011
From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:12:13 -0800
Subject: Slug saves the day. Was Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <7F00B37B-AD24-4B1C-AD1E-8369C9BC8A83@ahsomme.com>
References: <7F00B37B-AD24-4B1C-AD1E-8369C9BC8A83@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <3315846C-7FED-4C30-A830-3F51610BC3B4@altuit.com>

Paul,

Moving controls into to and out of groups is as simple as just setting the layer one number higher and/or lower outside the range of the group. And at the time I wrote altLayer, this was easily accomplished by using the relayer tools in Rev-- not sure how that works these days.

Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc

On Jan 13, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Paul Looney <support at ahsomme.com> wrote:

> Thank you all!
> 
> To summarize since yesterday morning:
> 
> Question #1
> I asked "Can you recommend something for layering objects in LC 4.5.1 and later?"
> 
> Tereza suggested using Chipp's altLayer Tool and showed me where to find it (I had the same problem that Bob and Phil had locating it). I emailed Chipp to arrange payment; he replied that it was free!?! Unfortunately, while this utility moves objects within groups, it does not move them into, out of, or between groups - which is what I need (more on that in a moment). I do appreciate Chipp's (typical) generosity regarding this and would like to note that we use his Magic Carpet for every change in any of our programs - often many times a day.
> 
> Geoff confirmed that the problems with the current revNavigator were not my imagination.
> 
> So it appears that there is no way to adjust layers into, out of, or between groups in the LC world today.
> 
> Why do I care?
> My major use of LC is for the Ahsomme Business System. It does order processing, accounting, purchasing, inventory control, job costing, machine-loading, employee scheduling, material requirement planning, etc. It is complex; there are over 20 databases, over 50 standard report templates (plus a report maker), and more than 50 auxillary programs. Some of these individual programs are also complex; the Orders Editor, for example, has 144 buttons and 436 fields (not counting objects in datagrid groups).
> Right now I am working on a Production Status program for a company in New Zealand. This program uses multiple datagrids. There is a grid for pending orders, a grid showing the orders selected to be put in process, grids for materials required to support production, a grid comparing required material to uncommitted materials on hand and purchased materials due in, and several more. Obviously it is not possible to display everything on the screen at the same time. So, we hide and show groups - a lot. Usually these groups will contain one or more datagrids, plus additional fields or buttons. It is critical to have the ability to quickly and easily move newly created objects into the proper group. revNavigator did this perfectly, I can not begin to say how grateful I am to have had it!
> 
> Quoting Peter: Geoff Canyon, can you convince that developer of yours to do something about this...?  :-)
> 
> Question #2
> I asked "Is there a way to fix the broken datagrid?"
> 
> I had already concluded that the grid was broken because the behavior of the grid was no longer linked - as the Slug and Trevor suggested. I had tried:
> 
> set the behavior of grp "myDataGrid" to button id 1005 of stack revDataGridLibrary
> 
> which did nothing, not even an error.
> 
> I had also tried:
> 
> set the behavior of grp "myDataGrid" to button id 1005 of stack &
> quote & "revDataGridLibrary" & quote
> 
> which gave a binary error.
> 
> The Slug's recipe:
> 
> set the behavior of grp "myDataGrid" to "button id 1005 of stack " &
> quote & "revDataGridLibrary" & quote
> 
> worked. With that fix the grid started displaying the text from dgText.
> This also reverted other properties to their defaults, for example, before the fix the columns were their original and proper width but the columnWidth properties were empty; after the fix the columnWidth properties (and the columns themselves) were all "100". This is actually a minor problem for us and we can easily make manual repairs to these properties.
> 
> Trevor's list of Behaviors will help us reset all of default links without completely rebuilding the stack (an unimaginable exercise).
> 
> Thank you all.
> Paul Looney
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 13 15:20:26 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:20:26 -0800
Subject: ID's are settable???
Message-ID: <4D2F5E8A.90604@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > On Jan 13, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> DunbarX wrote:
 >> So the id of a new object is indexed from the current stack ID.
 >> I thought (for no reason at all) it was the other way around,
 >> that the stack took on the id of a new object.
 >
 >> Unless I misunderstand, I think the difference is
 >> semantic/philosophical.
 >
 > Not really imho. The engine looks at the stack ID, creates a new
 > object, gives it that ID then increments the stack ID. Otherwise
 > it would be like arguing whether an increase in the bank balance
 > caused a deposit, or the deposit changed the bank balance. :-)
 > (GOD I love analogies!)

I think we're at the point, as Paul might say, where we're picking fly 
poop out of pepper, but since we've already gone this far:

Your sense of this seems to mirror my own, in which the stack "gives" 
the ID to the object, rather than that the stack "took" the ID from the 
object.

For any practical purpose, it doesn't matter and we can't know which 
occurs first (though I suppose Mark Waddingham could chime in here and 
tell us which line in the source occurs before the other).

All I know is that by the time we're able to know anything about the 
IDs, both the most highest-ID object in the stack and the stack itself 
have the same ID.

I'll leave it to the philosophers to determine which "gives" the ID to 
the other, spending my time instead pondering the bigger question:  if a 
stack crashes on a machine that isn't running, does it make a noise?  ;)

--
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jan 13 15:27:55 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:27:55 -0800
Subject: ID's are settable???
In-Reply-To: <4D2F5E8A.90604@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C954A04B.501B2%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I'll leave it to the philosophers to determine which "gives" the ID to
> the other, spending my time instead pondering the bigger question:  if a
> stack crashes on a machine that isn't running, does it make a noise?  ;)

It makes the same sound as one hand clapping.  In the middle of a forest.
Oh, and there's a bear.  And it's eating cheese.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 13 15:42:44 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:42:44 -0800
Subject: ID's are settable???
Message-ID: <4D2F63C4.9080308@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > On Jan 13, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> Apparently you can set the ID of a stack to a higher number than
 >> it currently is, but attempting to set it to a lower number will
 >> generate an error stating "invalid id (must be greater than current
 >> id)".
 >>
 >> This is reasonable to expect given the stack's unique role as the
 >> arbiter of IDs:  as long as there's no internal list of all IDs
 >> currently in use (and given the compact size of stack files I
 >> certainly don't mind that there isn't), if you could set the stack
 >> ID lower you would risk creating a new object whose ID would
 >> conflict with an existing one.
 >
 > My personal opinion is that this is a bit of a kludge. Stacks should
 > have their own unique ID like any other object, and internal objects
 > should have their own unique ID inside each stack. The ID should be
 > read only. If users want their own ID system, the AltID was a perfect
 > solution for that. The ID counter could have been implemented as some
 > kind of read only property of the stack. But that is all water under
 > the bridge now.

Looks like we're looking at two different issues: I was describing the 
limit on the ID range, and here you're covering the virtue of altID 
instead of having settable IDs, and the absence of a true stack ID. 
Yours is a more interesting topic, so let's go with that:

For settable IDs, Mark Wieder could make a stronger case than I could, 
since this feature was added to support a nifty new tool he's been 
working on.

Even though I don't use stack-to-text-and-back translators myself I can 
see the value of them for some workflows.  As wonderfully compact as the 
binary stack format is, if you want to take advantage of existing 
enterprise-level version control tools you'll need textual source for 
your project.

Without being able to set the ID it would be impossible to accurately 
reproduce an object.  But with that, you should be able to make a 
bit-for-bit copy of darn near anything, and the implications can be 
quite powerfully useful if used with care.

As for it being a kludge that the stack ID is an incrementer rather than 
an immutable reference that could be used like any other ID, for the 
sake of consistency in the language I'd tend to agree, esp. given the 
low cost of storing that integer in some other place.

I suspect it was one of those late-night decisions for Dr. Raney, 
probably something that made his hashing scheme more convenient, and 
since stack names serve as unique identifiers he probably felt that was 
an okay design decision.

Weird, and one more anomaly that increases the angle of the learning 
curve, but not the least of them (my favorite being "destroyStack" which 
doesn't actually destroy the stack at all <g>).

--
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 13 15:47:21 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:47:21 -0600
Subject: Slug saves the day. Was Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
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On 1/13/11 12:53 PM, Paul Looney wrote:

> So it appears that there is no way to adjust layers into, out of, or
> between groups in the LC world today.

Set the relayerGroupedControls to true and assign a layer number at 
will. That ignores group layers.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 13 15:52:53 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:52:53 -0600
Subject: Vent!
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On 1/13/11 12:15 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Livecode is a great tool but the IDE is full of user interface
> weirdnesses as far as I'm concerned.  There are three different
> Find/Replace dialogs and you're never sure which one will pop up when
> you press command-F.

They're contextual. The right one appears depending on what you're 
doing. I can only think of two though, the one in the script editor and 
the general one for stack searches.

> The File menu contents are completely different
> depending on which window is active.

Menus are contextual too. It's only an issue on OS X, which doesn't have 
menu bars in the windows. On other operating systems it's pretty clear 
because the menu is part of the window; script editor menus are attached 
to the script editor window, for example.

>  The  message box appears and
> disappears at what seem to be completely random intervals.

It isn't really random, it's whether a script editor has the focus or 
not. You can turn off that behavior in preferences. On small monitors, 
it's convenient to hide the message box and other palettes when a script 
is open to save screen space. On larger monitors it isn't necessary. I 
always turn off hiding.

>  How nice
> would it be to have an Application Browser option to list stacks, not
> cards, in alphabetical order.

For mainstacks that would be nice. I'd like to keep the substacks 
attached to them the way they are now though.

-- 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 13 16:00:23 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:00:23 -0600
Subject: Vent!
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On 1/13/11 1:14 PM, Paul Looney wrote:
> And Peter,
> Let's not forget:
>
> You click a down arrow to make objects move up.
> You click an up arrow to make objects move down.
> You click an up arrow to make objects move right.
> You click an up arrow to make objects wider.

I wouldn't change this because it reinforces how pixel counting works; 
up and left are less, down and right are more. As developers, we should 
understand that stuff.

(Clicking the down arrow in any scrollbar makes the contents move up on 
every OS too.)

>
> You adjust the type size on the last panel but
> you adjust the leading on the first panel.

You have to go to the Table pane to set tabstops too. Even though some 
properties apply more to one thing than another, I'd like to see them 
duplicated on every pane where they apply. Tabstops should appear on 
both the Table pane and the Text pane, for example.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Thu Jan 13 16:22:09 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:22:09 -0800
Subject: Vent!
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On Jan 13, 2011, at 12:52 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/13/11 12:15 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> Livecode is a great tool but the IDE is full of user interface
>> weirdnesses as far as I'm concerned.  There are three different
>> Find/Replace dialogs and you're never sure which one will pop up when
>> you press command-F.
> 
> They're contextual. The right one appears depending on what you're doing. I can only think of two though, the one in the script editor and the general one for stack searches.

The script editor find has a variation when you click the "More..." button.  I've seen that window come up sometimes when I select Find from the edit menu but can't pin down just when that happens.
> 
>> The File menu contents are completely different
>> depending on which window is active.
> 
> Menus are contextual too. It's only an issue on OS X, which doesn't have menu bars in the windows. On other operating systems it's pretty clear because the menu is part of the window; script editor menus are attached to the script editor window, for example.

Sure I understand that.  But there are only four options on the File Menu when the script editor window is active - Apply, Save, Close, and Print.  Apply has a button on the script editor window so why not have buttons for the other functions on the script editor window and leave the File menu as it is when a stack window has focus. I shouldn't have to switch to a stack window in order to open another stack file.  Or open the Message Box or the Application Browser.

> 
>> The  message box appears and
>> disappears at what seem to be completely random intervals.
> 
> It isn't really random, it's whether a script editor has the focus or not. You can turn off that behavior in preferences. On small monitors, it's convenient to hide the message box and other palettes when a script is open to save screen space. On larger monitors it isn't necessary. I always turn off hiding.

> 
>> How nice
>> would it be to have an Application Browser option to list stacks, not
>> cards, in alphabetical order.
> 
> For mainstacks that would be nice. I'd like to keep the substacks attached to them the way they are now though.

That's why I said it should be an option :-)  I have around 40 substacks in my application and trying to find a specific one in the Application Browser is a pain, particularly since I can;t tell what order they are in - maybe sorted by the date they were created?  
> 
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 16:22:55 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:22:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
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Hi David,
 

Yes - well to be accurate revamping it. I've been storing scripts and staks
in CVS / SVN and now GIT for the last 10 years. Originally I used a full XML
based file structure, but did not need it, so for years I have been storing
only the full stacks and the scripts (so I can diff the scripts).


Great! :-D
If I remember well, Andre is using Dropbox features for
a simplified Version control of his stacks:
https://www.dropbox.com/help/11

Certainly, compiling stacks from text sources would make
a lot easier to colaborate and test libraries, projects
and widgets.

When i had show this platform to developers in Delphi, C++
or .NET, some of the inevitable questions are:
"Could you work in your code without first
building an interface?"
"How could work a developer team's (at the same time)
in the same stack and scripts?"

If we could compile or rebuild stacks from text sources,
all these questions could have a simple and straight answer...


David Bovill-5 wrote:
> 
> With recent changes to engine so that you can set id properties of
> objects full text based stack representations are possible. As there are
> now
> a number of fairly large open source projects within the community with
> compatible licenses (revignitor / MetaCard / glxApp framework and GLX
> script
> editor), and I have a need to store the full behavior based widget
> components in a robust way - I'm putting in a bunch of work to release
> this
> for the conference.
> 

Excellent news! :-D


David Bovill-5 wrote:
> 
> We are starting to cover some of these topics on www.livecode.tv, and also
> in ChatRev, and there is an open invitation for anyone interested in
> developing community resources to take part, show work, and contribute
> code.
> I'm putting the finishing touches to the file format now. It is not XML
> based, it is array based with a default text and folder based export
> format.
> There is an optional XML version of the format for projects that would
> want
> an XML based version. The format is optimised for speed and for utility
> when
> working with revision control systems.
> 

This would be a landmarking moment in this platform.
A complete game changer.

Hopefully I would find enough time to learn
the framework and participate.


David Bovill-5 wrote:
> 
> Alejandro, I want to show and share the code for interfacing with
> WikiPedia some time. How did you get along with your offline WikiPedia
> project - maybe we could work together on a presentation - even if it is
> work-in-progress?
> 

The offline Wikipedia project is stored away (with some other ideas
and projects) in some backup DVD.

I would like to work on this Wikipedia Offline reader
as part of a team, but I do not have the resources to
create the required infrastructure for this project.

Hopefully, someone with enough resources and time
would open this project and then I could participate.

These were the functional, but not optimized, scripts
for this Wikipedia Offline Reader project,

1) The Gzip Compressed XML Database.
2) Scripts to create multiple Indexes
from this database
3) Scripts to search the Indexes
4) Scripts to convert and display the XML article
inside a text field
5) Scripts to convert the XML article to HTML
and display it inside a browser window
(using the DLL within Livecode)
6) Scripts to enable clicking a link inside the article
and open the linked article.
7) Scripts to keep an history of previous visited articles.
(and store them for faster access)

Probably there was more, but these are the
features that I remember well.

Alejandro

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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 16:35:53 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:35:53 +0100
Subject: What does the DragData contain?
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On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

Hi Bob,

> Well I know that I can put something into the dragData["private"] which either makes this a custom behavior, or else an array. I vote for the former. But is there any other "elements" that the dragData contains that I can use? For instance, the source object I drag from?
>
> I have 3 datagrids. I want to drag from grid1 into grid2 and have the value drop in the first column of grid2. I want to drag from grid3 into grid2 and have the value drop into the 3rd column of grid2. To do that properly, I need the dragDrop handler in grid2 to know where I am dragging from.
>
> Now I could simply make the dragData["private"] a comma delimited list and then parse it in grid2, but I was thinking there might be a cleaner way for grid2 to know what the source is. I would think the engine would know. I tried to create my own custom key, but of course I cannot do that. The structure seems to be read only.

The dragSource contains information about the source datagrid. We have
4 levels of object to resolve to have the name of the datagrid.

1. The name of the target field you started dropping
2. The name of the col group where the field is (it is the name of the column)
3. The dgList object
4. The mask

So we could have something like this:

put the dragSource into tTheSource
put the short name of the owner of the owner of the owner of the owner
of tTheSource

That is not totally readable in time, I think. You will prefer to have
the name of the source datagrid somewhere in the dragData.


It was an interesting exercice, so I tested replacing the content of a
column in a grid by dropping a line of another datagrid.
The idea was to use the dgTrackDragReorder property in the destination
datagrid for scrolling the dg during the dragMove, and to replace a
value in a column by using the DragReorderDrop event of the datagrid
messages.
By testing the name of the datagrid source, the DragReorderDrop is
capable to behave normally when one want to reorder the lines in the
dg.

The resulting experiment is available here:
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=19:experiment-19-drag-drop-in-dg-replacing-a-value-in-a-column&id=7:data-grid&Itemid=63


Best regards,
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Thu Jan 13 16:37:36 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:37:36 -0800
Subject: Slug saves the day. Was Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
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I'm giving this a try.  Yes it does allow easy relayering of objects, glad to see that.  I'm sure it does lots of other great things too but there's not a shred of documentation that I can find either on the web site or built into the product.  Maybe a lot of it is intuitive but sure would be nice to know if I'm missing some great feature that isn;t intuitive to me!

It would have been really cool if the concept of the browser could have been extended to include a properties pane that listed all the properties associated with a control and their values when you clicked on it.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 13, 2011, at 12:11 PM, BNig wrote:

> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> If you use  MacOSX 10.5 or higher you could use Jerry Daniels Remo to move
> things into and out of groups and change layering. 
> As an aside you would have a very nice script editor replacement. :)
> I like it a lot more than the application browser. 
> 
> http://remoeditor.com/
> 
> no affiliation, just using it.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Bernd
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 13 16:37:29 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:37:29 -0800
Subject: Vent!
Message-ID: <4D2F7099.6000507@fourthworld.com>

Peter Haworth wrote:

 > I have around 40 substacks in my application and trying to find a
 > specific one in the Application Browser is a pain, particularly
 > since I can;t tell what order they are in - maybe sorted by the
 > date they were created?

Should be easy to do, since when you query "the substacks of stack 
<whatever>" the list you get is indeed in creation order.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From cjw at eml.cc  Thu Jan 13 16:44:50 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:44:50 -0600
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
Message-ID: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc>

Hi,

I have just begun in LC and frankly, some of the comments in the "Vent!" 
thread scares me!  Also, I have/am reading all the FAQ stuff I can, but 
it's tough to sort it all out at his time, so if I ask a 
inappropriate(read: "dumb")question, just send me to my room. PLEASE 
don't hit me?!?

I have a graphics-dragging app that has been coded and complies into a 
single  exec.  Do all apps created in LC compile to a single exec, say 
an app that has a database?

Thanks for the help... I'm gonna need it!
Calvin


From massung at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 16:50:31 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:50:31 -0700
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc>
References: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimJpzvuh8b9TZFXSx_SvX90hMJfbNwdSkfA5FKn@mail.gmail.com>

Calvin,

Don't let the vent thread scare you. Some here have been using LC for quite
a while, and usually it's the little things that make you want to vent. The
big things Rev has been doing a great job with!

LC apps do compile to an EXE. It's not 100% self-encompassing, though,
meaning it may need some DLLs that live next to it (in an "externals"
folder); In your DB example, there'd be a DLL for the database functions in
there, but LC takes care of all of this for you. Your end-user will never be
the wiser, and there's no runtime to install.

Jeff M.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Calvin Waterbury <cjw at eml.cc> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have just begun in LC and frankly, some of the comments in the "Vent!"
> thread scares me!  Also, I have/am reading all the FAQ stuff I can, but it's
> tough to sort it all out at his time, so if I ask a inappropriate(read:
> "dumb")question, just send me to my room. PLEASE don't hit me?!?
>
> I have a graphics-dragging app that has been coded and complies into a
> single  exec.  Do all apps created in LC compile to a single exec, say an
> app that has a database?
>
> Thanks for the help... I'm gonna need it!
> Calvin
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From runrevplanet at smpcs.server101.com  Thu Jan 13 16:57:04 2011
From: runrevplanet at smpcs.server101.com (RunRevPlanet)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:57:04 +1100
Subject: [OT] Looking for Beta Testers
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1294941601.26383.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1294941601.26383.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D2F7530.2080503@smpcs.server101.com>

Hi All,

I have a "shrink-wrap" application written in LiveCode that has been 
successfully sold for Macs. Now I plan to release a Windows version of 
the same software on the Intel AppUp store.

The application itself doesn't need beta testing, but what does require 
testing is the download/install/run procedure from the Intel AppUp client.

This is an invitation for a few users to test the running of a LiveCode 
application (built with help from the excellent AppAble in the LiveCode 
marketplace) from the Intel AppUp client. This does not require a big 
investment in time. If you already have an Intel AppUp account, then it 
should take only a few minutes during next week -- assuming it all works.

(If you do not have, or do not want, an Intel AppUp account, it is 
possible to open a Beta Tester account with Intel AppUp -- which does 
not require a netbook computer, but is for Windows only.)

If you are interested in being a tester, please contact me off-list 
using the email address on this webpage:

http://www.teacherspersonalmarkbook.com/support.html

Which co-incidentally, is the website of the application that requires 
testing.
-- 
Scott McDonald

RunRevPlanet
"Components, Controls, Tools and Resources for LiveCode"
www.runrevplanet.com



From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Jan 13 17:04:36 2011
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:04:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Slug saves the day. Was Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <1D0A31DE-0C5D-49A0-8D04-AFEE312FC715@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <7F00B37B-AD24-4B1C-AD1E-8369C9BC8A83@ahsomme.com>
	<1294949497109-3216576.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1D0A31DE-0C5D-49A0-8D04-AFEE312FC715@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <1294956276439-3216790.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Pete,

in Remo look under Help -> Quickstart Docs. 

It explains quite a bit. You should look at this since some things are not
self-evident and very useful.

Kind regards

Bernd
-- 
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From cjw at eml.cc  Thu Jan 13 17:05:36 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:05:36 -0600
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimJpzvuh8b9TZFXSx_SvX90hMJfbNwdSkfA5FKn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTimJpzvuh8b9TZFXSx_SvX90hMJfbNwdSkfA5FKn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc>

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for the boost.  I really do feel quite overwhelmed (see more below*)!

In regard to the end product, the user doesn't even have to install 
anything?  Simply zip the exec and the "externals" folder and send it?  
Am I understanding you correctly?


*"Overwhelmed" is my mental state at present.  I coded in Visual Basic 
for a few years and making the paradigm shift to LC is weird.  I am only 
coding with a trial license and it is going to run out and LC ain't 
cheap.  Also, I have mentors offering to assist in learning 
VisualBASIC.NET and C#.NET and there is no cost to do this.  I wish LC 
had a 90-day trial. :(

A couple of questions..

  Do you know if I purchase the personal license and code in it until I 
am ready to go commercial and *then* upgrade to a commercial license, 
will my apps upgrade too or will I have to recode/recompile??

Hmm... I forgot the other question. <frown>

Maybe this is not the place to ask these questions, but I have to start 
somewhere.

Thanks for the help,
Calvin
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Jeff Massung <mailto:massung at gmail.com>
> Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:50 PM
>
>
> Calvin,
>
> Don't let the vent thread scare you. Some here have been using LC for 
> quite
> a while, and usually it's the little things that make you want to 
> vent. The
> big things Rev has been doing a great job with!
>
> LC apps do compile to an EXE. It's not 100% self-encompassing, though,
> meaning it may need some DLLs that live next to it (in an "externals"
> folder); In your DB example, there'd be a DLL for the database 
> functions in
> there, but LC takes care of all of this for you. Your end-user will 
> never be
> the wiser, and there's no runtime to install.
>
> Jeff M.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Calvin Waterbury <mailto:cjw at eml.cc>
> Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:44 PM
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have just begun in LC and frankly, some of the comments in the 
> "Vent!" thread scares me!  Also, I have/am reading all the FAQ stuff I 
> can, but it's tough to sort it all out at his time, so if I ask a 
> inappropriate(read: "dumb")question, just send me to my room. PLEASE 
> don't hit me?!?
>
> I have a graphics-dragging app that has been coded and complies into a 
> single  exec.  Do all apps created in LC compile to a single exec, say 
> an app that has a database?
>
> Thanks for the help... I'm gonna need it!
> Calvin
>


From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Jan 13 17:14:11 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:14:11 EST
Subject: Global in debugger redux
Message-ID: <4658d.2619dded.3a60d333@aol.com>

Per Thierry, I made the hack he suggested in the revDebugger stack script 
to filter out those unfilterable globals. I tried it earlier but must have 
done something wrong. Anyway, it works, and is a pleasure to have only your 
own declared globals appear when debugging. This was discussed a bit last 
October/November.

I still wonder why unHilliting "show globals" in the script editor 
preferences will not do its job.

I modified his script slightly, and if anyone is interested, again, per his 
very astute hack:

Replace the existing function "revDebuggerValidGlobalNames" at line 225 in 
the stack script with:

function revDebuggerValidGlobalNames
    local tGlobalsRaw
    put the globals into tGlobalsRaw
    replace comma with return in tGlobalsRaw
   
    filter tGlobalsRaw without "*(x86)"
    filter tGlobalsRaw without "$*"
    filter tGlobalsRaw without "grev*"
    replace return with comma in tGlobalsRaw
    
    return tGlobalsRaw
end revDebuggerValidGlobalNames

Thank goodness.

Craig Newman


From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Jan 13 17:19:54 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:19:54 EST
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
Message-ID: <46ab9.17000ace.3a60d48a@aol.com>

You will be a fanatical adherent in about two weeks. Make a few play 
stacks. An address book and a metric conversion calculator. Embellish them 
endlessly. Join the revolution.

Craig Newman


From massung at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 17:26:50 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:26:50 -0700
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc>
References: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTimJpzvuh8b9TZFXSx_SvX90hMJfbNwdSkfA5FKn@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimEU9dpWAfH5xGRAcxz2X=GkDTYETQzkj+BDKeV@mail.gmail.com>

Calvin,

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Calvin Waterbury <cjw at eml.cc> wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
>
> In regard to the end product, the user doesn't even have to install
> anything?  Simply zip the exec and the "externals" folder and send it?  Am I
> understanding you correctly?
>


Yes, that's all I do. You can write a separate installer for your app as
well, but there's no need to if you don't want.



> *"Overwhelmed" is my mental state at present.  I coded in Visual Basic for
> a few years and making the paradigm shift to LC is weird.  I am only coding
> with a trial license and it is going to run out and LC ain't cheap.  Also, I
> have mentors offering to assist in learning VisualBASIC.NET and C#.NET and
> there is no cost to do this.  I wish LC had a 90-day trial. :(
>


My recommendation would be the following:

1. Is the LC price a major barrier for you, which - even if the perfect tool
for your needs (note: no such tool exists) - would still be a major
purchase.

- If yes, then put it off to the side for now and see what's possible with
VB.NET or C#.NET.
- If not, then continue...

2. Create something that isn't big, but also hits many of the major features
you'll need to use in your app. Find out if LC has the basic features you'll
need to make forward progress on your project.

- Do you have graphical rendering needs? 3D?
- Internet accessibility needs? Secure communication (i.e. SSL)?
- XML parsing?
- Rich text formatting?
- Database accessibility?
- Native UI look/feel (possibly an issue on OS X w/ toolbars)?

These are just a few possibilities. But during the course of putting
together some really trivial programs that teach you LC and make use of each
of the major components of your project, you'll be able to best decide what
to do for yourself.



> A couple of questions..
>  [[.. license questions snipped ..]]



I would email these concerns/questions directly to RunRev. They've always
been great working with me (and others here). I think you might be
pleasantly surprised how easy they are to work with.

Jeff M.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 13 17:40:16 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:40:16 -0800
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
Message-ID: <4D2F7F50.5000802@fourthworld.com>

Welcome aboard, Calvin.

Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> In regard to the end product, the user doesn't even have to install
> anything?  Simply zip the exec and the "externals" folder and send it?
> Am I understanding you correctly?

Yep.  I understand that's sometimes shocking to VB devs, and more so to 
folks who've used TookBook, which throws DLLs and .tb files all over the 
system (I liked many things about ToolBook, but their installation 
complexity wasn't one of them).

The LiveCode engine packs a lot into its modest 2.5MB size, and has no 
dependencies on anything else except for any optional DLL externals you 
may choose to use.

The most frequent tech support question I get from the institutional 
customers I support is from IT staffers who can't believe that 
installing our LiveCode-based app is as simple as we describe it.  When 
I tell them it has no dependencies on any DLLs, and runs on every Win 
system from 2000 through 7, they still keep asking, "What else does it 
need to install?"

When I finally convince them to to just try using the simple 
instructions we provide, most of the time they write me back with 
something like, "Wow, so simple.  Never seen anything like that."


This is one of the benefits of cross-platform computing, at least with 
LiveCode.  While multiple DLL dependencies are common in Windows apps, 
Linux handles things differently and Mac users have no patience with 
that sort of thing.

Yes, using LiveCode is definitely weird, but in the literal sense:  of 
or pertaining to the supernatural. :)

It can be a mind-bender to get used to, but once you do I suspect you'll 
find a lot of things surprisingly easy.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From jrosat at mac.com  Thu Jan 13 17:45:20 2011
From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 23:45:20 +0100
Subject: Fuzzy text on my iPhone 4 with LiveCode iOS
Message-ID: <3696A640-34D9-40B0-948C-40B00D21EDFA@mac.com>

Hi,

I have just created my first application with LiveCode iOS (a kind of calculator).
When I test it on my iPhone 4, I notice that the text which is displayed in a field is not "sharp". As if the text is "fuzzy".
I use Helvetica.

But, when I use it on a iPhone 3GS or on a iPad, the text looks great.

Is it a bug or I missed something ?

Thank you for your answers.

Jerome



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Thu Jan 13 17:45:45 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:45:45 -0800
Subject: Slug saves the day. Was Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <1294956276439-3216790.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <7F00B37B-AD24-4B1C-AD1E-8369C9BC8A83@ahsomme.com>
	<1294949497109-3216576.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1D0A31DE-0C5D-49A0-8D04-AFEE312FC715@mollysrevenge.com>
	<1294956276439-3216790.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <B5B9C2F3-58A2-4ED4-B185-BCF4702E5A1E@mollysrevenge.com>

Thanks you Bernd, I obviously didn't look hard enough!  There are indeed a lot of cool features in Remo.

Pete Haworth


On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:04 PM, BNig wrote:

> 
> Hi Pete,
> 
> in Remo look under Help -> Quickstart Docs. 
> 
> It explains quite a bit. You should look at this since some things are not
> self-evident and very useful.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Bernd
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Slug-saves-the-day-Was-Layers-revNavigator-DataGrids-tp3216430p3216790.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
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From cjw at eml.cc  Thu Jan 13 17:46:29 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:46:29 -0600
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <46ab9.17000ace.3a60d48a@aol.com>
References: <46ab9.17000ace.3a60d48a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D2F80C5.7060101@eml.cc>

Hi Craig,

I think I understand what you mean?

Fair winds,
Calvin

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	DunbarX at aol.com <mailto:DunbarX at aol.com>
> Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:19 PM
>
>
> You will be a fanatical adherent in about two weeks. Make a few play
> stacks. An address book and a metric conversion calculator. Embellish 
> them
> endlessly. Join the revolution.
>
> Craig Newman
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 13 17:50:22 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:50:22 -0600
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc>
References: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc>	<AANLkTimJpzvuh8b9TZFXSx_SvX90hMJfbNwdSkfA5FKn@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <4D2F81AE.7010202@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/13/11 4:05 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
>
> Thanks for the boost. I really do feel quite overwhelmed (see more below*)!

It's normal. LC is fairly unique, and you need a certain critical mass 
of info before it falls into place. That doesn't take a whole lot of 
time, but there's a paradigm shift. Once it happens, it's all "voila" 
from there.

And regarding your first note: we won't hit you. In fact, we'll embrace 
you. We love newcomers, and most of us will fall over backward to help. 
This is the right place to ask anything, no matter how stupid you think 
it is, because for every "dumb" question you're brave enough to post 
there will be a dozen other lurkers who want to know too. Ask anything.

>
> In regard to the end product, the user doesn't even have to install
> anything? Simply zip the exec and the "externals" folder and send it? Am
> I understanding you correctly?

Yup, for the most part, with rare exceptions you probably don't need to 
worry about.

> *"Overwhelmed" is my mental state at present. I coded in Visual Basic
> for a few years and making the paradigm shift to LC is weird. I am only
> coding with a trial license and it is going to run out and LC ain't
> cheap. Also, I have mentors offering to assist in learning
> VisualBASIC.NET and C#.NET and there is no cost to do this. I wish LC
> had a 90-day trial. :(

You probably won't need 90 days if you work a little bit every day and 
ask us stuff as you go. You're at the very best mentoring place RR 
offers -- this list. And we're free too.

>
> A couple of questions..
>
> Do you know if I purchase the personal license and code in it until I am
> ready to go commercial and *then* upgrade to a commercial license, will
> my apps upgrade too or will I have to recode/recompile??

Your apps are good no matter what. I think a good move is to buy the 
personal license if you're not sure, because you can always upgrade 
later at no extra cost.

>
> Hmm... I forgot the other question. <frown>
>
> Maybe this is not the place to ask these questions, but I have to start
> somewhere.

It's exactly the right place. Let us know when you remember the other 
question.

Oh, about the "venting" thread -- it's nothing. The vents are about some 
minor things in the interface that some people would like implemented 
differently. Little stuff. Should a list be displayed alphabetically or 
in order of creation? How should a find dialog be presented? That kind 
of thing. Until you know the interface better you probably won't even 
notice.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From cjw at eml.cc  Thu Jan 13 17:50:25 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:50:25 -0600
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <4D2F7F50.5000802@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2F7F50.5000802@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4D2F81B1.2010204@eml.cc>

Hi Richard,

Ye Sir!  Your tone and attitude, as well as the content reflect exactly 
that of my mentor.  He's been at it about two years.  He goes by "Doc."  
At least that was his moniker when I became acquainted with him.  He's a 
great guy!

Thanks for the encouragement.

Fair winds,
Calvin

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Richard Gaskin <mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:40 PM
>
>
> Welcome aboard, Calvin.
>
> Calvin Waterbury wrote:
>
>
> Yep.  I understand that's sometimes shocking to VB devs, and more so 
> to folks who've used TookBook, which throws DLLs and .tb files all 
> over the system (I liked many things about ToolBook, but their 
> installation complexity wasn't one of them).
>
> The LiveCode engine packs a lot into its modest 2.5MB size, and has no 
> dependencies on anything else except for any optional DLL externals 
> you may choose to use.
>
> The most frequent tech support question I get from the institutional 
> customers I support is from IT staffers who can't believe that 
> installing our LiveCode-based app is as simple as we describe it.  
> When I tell them it has no dependencies on any DLLs, and runs on every 
> Win system from 2000 through 7, they still keep asking, "What else 
> does it need to install?"
>
> When I finally convince them to to just try using the simple 
> instructions we provide, most of the time they write me back with 
> something like, "Wow, so simple.  Never seen anything like that."
>
>
> This is one of the benefits of cross-platform computing, at least with 
> LiveCode.  While multiple DLL dependencies are common in Windows apps, 
> Linux handles things differently and Mac users have no patience with 
> that sort of thing.
>
> Yes, using LiveCode is definitely weird, but in the literal sense:  of 
> or pertaining to the supernatural. :)
>
> It can be a mind-bender to get used to, but once you do I suspect 
> you'll find a lot of things surprisingly easy.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>
> _______________________________________________
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> subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 13 17:59:38 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:59:38 -0600
Subject: Vent!
In-Reply-To: <F9C120DD-7189-4820-95B4-3729F19DDC2B@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <mailman.3.1291485602.18425.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>	<B7374383-E593-457E-A75A-D4C4176584C7@mac.com>	<18BE586E-404E-49A9-BCED-2D54C96946B6@mollysrevenge.com>	<4D2F6625.9060304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F9C120DD-7189-4820-95B4-3729F19DDC2B@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <4D2F83DA.6050207@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/13/11 3:22 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>
> The script editor find has a variation when you click the "More..."
> button.  I've seen that window come up sometimes when I select Find
> from the edit menu but can't pin down just when that happens.

Oh, I see. That's actually the same Find window, the "more" option 
expands it. The shortcut for showing the fully expanded Find is 
Shift-Cmd-F, so maybe you hit that instead of plain Cmd-F.

> I have around 40
> substacks in my application and trying to find a specific one in the
> Application Browser is a pain, particularly since I can;t tell what
> order they are in - maybe sorted by the date they were created?

After I answered last time I noticed the mainstacks *are* in 
alphabetical order, which I like. It took till now for me to understand 
that you want the substacks sorted too. I guess I wouldn't mind that, 
I'd probably choose it, as long as the substacks remain stuck to their 
mainstacks in the app browser list. It's important to me to know which 
stacks are in the stackfile.

I'm pretty sure that alpha sorting the substack list would be a 2-second 
fix. A feature request would be in order.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 13 18:06:55 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:06:55 -0800
Subject: ID's are settable???
In-Reply-To: <C954A04B.501B2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C954A04B.501B2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C7B2EC57-2989-408A-A461-FD1549F7DB28@twft.com>

Don't forget the pope. He's supposed to be somewhere there too. And BTW the bear can eat cheese anywhere he likes, but you already knew that. 

Bob


On Jan 13, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> I'll leave it to the philosophers to determine which "gives" the ID to
>> the other, spending my time instead pondering the bigger question:  if a
>> stack crashes on a machine that isn't running, does it make a noise?  ;)
> 
> It makes the same sound as one hand clapping.  In the middle of a forest.
> Oh, and there's a bear.  And it's eating cheese.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 13 18:20:35 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:20:35 -0800
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc>
References: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTimJpzvuh8b9TZFXSx_SvX90hMJfbNwdSkfA5FKn@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <C0627A0B-E0AF-4CEB-87F1-DA9204D36621@twft.com>

The hardest thing is to untrain your mind about the complexities you are used to. It's easy to overthink things coming from another high level language. You are probably used to having to write everything from scratch, as though a plane manufacturer had to design and manufacture all the parts and make sure they all fit together, as well as perform their functions. In LiveCode, someone else has already designed all the parts, and already made sure they fit. What kind of plane you want to build, and where it goes is up to you. 

Bob


On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> *"Overwhelmed" is my mental state at present.  I coded in Visual Basic for a few years and making the paradigm shift to LC is weird. 




From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 13 18:23:06 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:23:06 -0800
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <4D2F81AE.7010202@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc>	<AANLkTimJpzvuh8b9TZFXSx_SvX90hMJfbNwdSkfA5FKn@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc> <4D2F81AE.7010202@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C0CD6E08-7F7B-4F59-A2A3-0EA46A843725@twft.com>

And besides, we have a lot of dumb answers as well. If we're going to have fisticuffs each time that happened we'd never get any work done. 

Bob


On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/13/11 4:05 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> Thanks for the boost. I really do feel quite overwhelmed (see more below*)!
> 
> It's normal. LC is fairly unique, and you need a certain critical mass of info before it falls into place. That doesn't take a whole lot of time, but there's a paradigm shift. Once it happens, it's all "voila" from there.
> 
> And regarding your first note: we won't hit you. In fact, we'll embrace you. We love newcomers, and most of us will fall over backward to help. This is the right place to ask anything, no matter how stupid you think it is, because for every "dumb" question you're brave enough to post there will be a dozen other lurkers who want to know too. Ask anything.




From dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Jan 13 18:29:42 2011
From: dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk (Douglas)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 23:29:42 +0000
Subject: OT: Are Microsoft really at it again!
Message-ID: <4D2F8AE6.9070707@tiscali.co.uk>

Remember when Microsoft lost their European court cases about unfair 
business practices etc.?

One of the conditions of being allowed to continue to supply Internet 
Explorer in boxed Windows 7 packs in the EU. was that they would add a 
"Browser Choice" page that would allow the user to choose any of the big 
5 browsers to install on their new setup.

Nice idea, but I just installed a clean Win7 setup and all the other 
browsers are available EXCEPT FireFox !
Clicking on "Install"  just goes to a dead link and the "Tell Me More" 
button goes to a download page that also uses a dead link!

(I checked the mozilla sites and they are up and running perfectly OK!)

How many people think that this is an unfortunate "mistake" on 
Microsoft's part?
Maybe the Firefox team decided to shoot themselves by closing a server 
that they had advertised to Microsoft?
Or.... How about the Firefox team set up Microsoft to look bad by giving 
them bad links

Douglas




From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 18:30:27 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:30:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <4D2F81B1.2010204@eml.cc>
References: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc> <4D2F7F50.5000802@fourthworld.com>
	<4D2F81B1.2010204@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <1294961427639-3216935.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Calvin,

Did you created a flowchart
of the software that you
want to create?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowchart

Alejandro
-- 
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/LiveCode-Newbie-questions-tp3216739p3216935.html
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From cjw at eml.cc  Thu Jan 13 18:30:48 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:30:48 -0600
Subject: Your message to use-livecode awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7286.1294961202.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7286.1294961202.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D2F8B28.6020205@eml.cc>

Any one?

Hmm... I keep getting the below message, but I don't understand why?  Is 
it because it is a reply within reply withing reply...?

TIA
Calvin

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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> Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:26 PM
>
>
> Your mail to 'use-livecode' with the subject
>
> Re: LiveCode Newbie questions
>
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>
> The reason it is being held:
>
> Message body is too big: 20967 bytes with a limit of 15 KB
>
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Jan 13 18:33:22 2011
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 23:33:22 +0000
Subject: OT: Are Microsoft really at it again!
In-Reply-To: <4D2F8AE6.9070707@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4D2F8AE6.9070707@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <084488CD-DD8E-46F9-A908-1EA1F94877CA@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 13 Jan 2011, at 23:29, Douglas wrote:

> How many people think that this is an unfortunate "mistake" on Microsoft's part?

27


Cheers
Dave :-)


From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Thu Jan 13 18:34:17 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:34:17 -0800
Subject: Vent!
In-Reply-To: <4D2F83DA.6050207@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <mailman.3.1291485602.18425.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>	<B7374383-E593-457E-A75A-D4C4176584C7@mac.com>	<18BE586E-404E-49A9-BCED-2D54C96946B6@mollysrevenge.com>	<4D2F6625.9060304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F9C120DD-7189-4820-95B4-3729F19DDC2B@mollysrevenge.com>
	<4D2F83DA.6050207@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CFA2711B-516D-4B38-B503-5C87A7E789C8@mollysrevenge.com>

Absolutely, the substacks should stay listed under their main stack, would be chaos otherwise I think!  So it would be a 2-level sort, mainstack as the first level, then substacks within each main stack as the second level.

I'll put in a feature request.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 13, 2011, at 2:59 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> After I answered last time I noticed the mainstacks *are* in alphabetical order, which I like. It took till now for me to understand that you want the substacks sorted too. I guess I wouldn't mind that, I'd probably choose it, as long as the substacks remain stuck to their mainstacks in the app browser list. It's important to me to know which stacks are in the stackfile.
> 
> I'm pretty sure that alpha sorting the substack list would be a 2-second fix. A feature request would be in order.




From cjw at eml.cc  Thu Jan 13 18:34:28 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:34:28 -0600
Subject: OT: Are Microsoft really at it again!
In-Reply-To: <4D2F8AE6.9070707@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4D2F8AE6.9070707@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4D2F8C04.2020901@eml.cc>

Justices directives aside,  Microsoft will *not* do anything to help the 
other guys, so if some little omission or other "mistake" slips by their 
QC folks... oh well.

Fair winds,
Calvin

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Douglas <mailto:dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk>
> Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:29 PM
>
>
> Remember when Microsoft lost their European court cases about unfair 
> business practices etc.?
>
> One of the conditions of being allowed to continue to supply Internet 
> Explorer in boxed Windows 7 packs in the EU. was that they would add a 
> "Browser Choice" page that would allow the user to choose any of the 
> big 5 browsers to install on their new setup.
>
> Nice idea, but I just installed a clean Win7 setup and all the other 
> browsers are available EXCEPT FireFox !
> Clicking on "Install"  just goes to a dead link and the "Tell Me More" 
> button goes to a download page that also uses a dead link!
>
> (I checked the mozilla sites and they are up and running perfectly OK!)
>
> How many people think that this is an unfortunate "mistake" on 
> Microsoft's part?
> Maybe the Firefox team decided to shoot themselves by closing a server 
> that they had advertised to Microsoft?
> Or.... How about the Firefox team set up Microsoft to look bad by 
> giving them bad links
>
> Douglas
>
>
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Jan 13 18:35:16 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:35:16 -0800
Subject: Your message to use-livecode awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <4D2F8B28.6020205@eml.cc>
References: <mailman.7286.1294961202.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<4D2F8B28.6020205@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <4D2F8C34.8090209@pdslabs.net>

Hi Calvin,

Try sending emails to the list as plain text or simple HTML, with no images or 
attachments. That might do it.

On 1/13/11 3:30 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:
> The reason it is being held:
>
> Message body is too big: 20967 bytes with a limit of 15 KB

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Jan 13 18:43:07 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 00:43:07 +0100
Subject: Your message to use-livecode awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <4D2F8B28.6020205@eml.cc>
References: <mailman.7286.1294961202.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<4D2F8B28.6020205@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <41A7AFD3-F5AE-4C98-8487-FBD1B3066AAE@economy-x-talk.com>

> Message body is too big: 20967 bytes with a limit of 15 KB

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce

On 14 jan 2011, at 00:30, Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> Any one?
> 
> Hmm... I keep getting the below message, but I don't understand why?  Is it because it is a reply within reply withing reply...?
> 
> TIA
> Calvin




From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Jan 13 18:52:10 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:52:10 EST
Subject: Your message to use-livecode awaits moderator approval
Message-ID: <4c68a.7482b02c.3a60ea2a@aol.com>

This used to happen to me when I sent code snippets by simply copying and 
pasting the styled text taken from the script editor into the body of an 
email message. The styled text makes a much larger file than you would think. I 
always convert to plain text before I paste.

Is this the culprit?

Craig Newman


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 13 18:59:29 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:59:29 -0800
Subject: OT: Are Microsoft really at it again!
Message-ID: <4D2F91E1.5050006@fourthworld.com>

Douglas wrote:

> Remember when Microsoft lost their European court cases about unfair
> business practices etc.?
>
> One of the conditions of being allowed to continue to supply Internet
> Explorer in boxed Windows 7 packs in the EU. was that they would add a
> "Browser Choice" page that would allow the user to choose any of the big
> 5 browsers to install on their new setup.
>
> Nice idea, but I just installed a clean Win7 setup and all the other
> browsers are available EXCEPT FireFox !

Apparently that hasn't slowed Firefox down:

Microsoft Browser Dethroned in Europe by Mozilla Firefox, StatCounter Says
<http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-05/firefox-passes-internet-explorer-in-european-use-telegraph-says.html>


I'm not sure which should die first:  the CSV file format, or all 
non-standard implementations in IE.  Man, that would be a tough choice...

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 13 19:02:20 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:02:20 -0800
Subject: OT: Are Microsoft really at it again!
In-Reply-To: <4D2F8AE6.9070707@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4D2F8AE6.9070707@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <84F927A9-167A-4124-88F5-C44C31D4904B@twft.com>

It's been like that for a long time. I had to download Firefox for Windows from a Mac or other PC that already had Firefox and then copy the installer to the Explorer only desktop. I have no doubts in my own mind about this. 

Bob


On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Douglas wrote:

> Remember when Microsoft lost their European court cases about unfair business practices etc.?
> 
> One of the conditions of being allowed to continue to supply Internet Explorer in boxed Windows 7 packs in the EU. was that they would add a "Browser Choice" page that would allow the user to choose any of the big 5 browsers to install on their new setup.
> 
> Nice idea, but I just installed a clean Win7 setup and all the other browsers are available EXCEPT FireFox !
> Clicking on "Install"  just goes to a dead link and the "Tell Me More" button goes to a download page that also uses a dead link!
> 
> (I checked the mozilla sites and they are up and running perfectly OK!)
> 
> How many people think that this is an unfortunate "mistake" on Microsoft's part?
> Maybe the Firefox team decided to shoot themselves by closing a server that they had advertised to Microsoft?
> Or.... How about the Firefox team set up Microsoft to look bad by giving them bad links
> 
> Douglas
> 
> 
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From cjw at eml.cc  Thu Jan 13 19:17:22 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:17:22 -0600
Subject: Your message to use-livecode awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <4c68a.7482b02c.3a60ea2a@aol.com>
References: <4c68a.7482b02c.3a60ea2a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D2F9612.80505@eml.cc>

Hi Craig,

I think you may be right.  I'll wait and see if the mods go ahead and 
send the messages through.  They might be a touch dated by then, but it 
won't clog the list with dupes.  This list is *busy* enough without 
those kind of shenanigans. :)

Fair winds,
Calvin

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	DunbarX at aol.com <mailto:DunbarX at aol.com>
> Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:52 PM
>
>
> This used to happen to me when I sent code snippets by simply copying and
> pasting the styled text taken from the script editor into the body of an
> email message. The styled text makes a much larger file than you would 
> think. I
> always convert to plain text before I paste.
>
> Is this the culprit?
>
> Craig Newman
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From davidocoker at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 19:20:39 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:20:39 -0600
Subject: OT: Are Microsoft really at it again!
In-Reply-To: <4D2F91E1.5050006@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2F91E1.5050006@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=aRrx73dh7EiA7VkwJ92Wz8p6-znmEnqE9ywR9@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm not sure which should die first: ?the CSV file format, or all
> non-standard implementations in IE. ?Man, that would be a tough choice...

Let's all hope it's the CSV format! ...where do we vote?

Best regards,
David C.



From massung at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 19:25:42 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:25:42 -0700
Subject: OT: Are Microsoft really at it again!
In-Reply-To: <4D2F8AE6.9070707@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4D2F8AE6.9070707@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimxOi-ev8q6ryTRg4AVTkKTwXtJ+vkqbi1yUCF=@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Douglas <dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Remember when Microsoft lost their European court cases about unfair
> business practices etc.?
>
> One of the conditions of being allowed to continue to supply Internet
> Explorer in boxed Windows 7 packs in the EU. was that they would add a
> "Browser Choice" page that would allow the user to choose any of the big 5
> browsers to install on their new setup.
>
> Nice idea, but I just installed a clean Win7 setup and all the other
> browsers are available EXCEPT FireFox !
>
>
Honestly, I just think that's silly. When I start up OS X for the first time
it doesn't ask me if I'd like to use Opera, Chrome, or FF instead of
Safari.

IMO, the only real annoyance w/ IE was that Explorer (the file browser) was
- for all intensive purposes - Explorer (the internet browser). They were
the same thing disguised as two separate apps. I believe that is no longer
true.

It takes me all of 3 minutes to use IE to download a different browser and
set it as my default.

Oh, and making Windows Update require IE sucks, too, though. ;-)

Jeff M.


From cjw at eml.cc  Thu Jan 13 19:30:29 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:30:29 -0600
Subject: Debugging  VB vs LC
Message-ID: <4D2F9925.8050904@eml.cc>

Hi,

My history has a lot of VB involved.   I must admit, I really "loved" 
the VB debugger and tools.  I have done some testing in LC with the 
debugger, but it is a different animal, which we all know.

Given one can code in a few hours and the spend days(weeks?) debugging 
complex code, I would appreciate any comparative experience, if any and 
just your thoughts on the debugger.

TIA,
Calvin



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 13 19:43:05 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:43:05 -0800
Subject: Your message to use-livecode awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <4D2F9612.80505@eml.cc>
References: <4c68a.7482b02c.3a60ea2a@aol.com> <4D2F9612.80505@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <A5FBD135-F4C6-4F2F-AD27-B42F424086A8@twft.com>

Mine never have gone through. I just repost. 

Bob


On Jan 13, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> Hi Craig,
> 
> I think you may be right.  I'll wait and see if the mods go ahead and send the messages through.  They might be a touch dated by then, but it won't clog the list with dupes.  This list is *busy* enough without those kind of shenanigans. :)
> 
> Fair winds,
> Calvin
> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 	DunbarX at aol.com <mailto:DunbarX at aol.com>
>> Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:52 PM
>> 
>> 
>> This used to happen to me when I sent code snippets by simply copying and
>> pasting the styled text taken from the script editor into the body of an
>> email message. The styled text makes a much larger file than you would think. I
>> always convert to plain text before I paste.
>> 
>> Is this the culprit?
>> 
>> Craig Newman
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 13 19:49:08 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:49:08 -0800
Subject: OT: Are Microsoft really at it again!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimxOi-ev8q6ryTRg4AVTkKTwXtJ+vkqbi1yUCF=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D2F8AE6.9070707@tiscali.co.uk>
	<AANLkTimxOi-ev8q6ryTRg4AVTkKTwXtJ+vkqbi1yUCF=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FB30E9B8-E7E6-45FD-A7CA-B7192C40572A@twft.com>

Actually, I don't think it does require IE. You can have updates download and install automatically, or you can use the command line tool wuauclt. The switch you want is /detectnow. There is no /installnow though. Odd huh? Instead there is a script someone wrote that will force Windows Update Services to do the update. It's called updatehfhf.vbs. You would launch it from a command line using cscript.exe <path-to-updatehf.vbs>. I use it in conjunction with PSTools (psexec) to force an update of Windows for all my domain computers. 

One caveat though. It appears that certain updates cannot be received until you run the Windows Genuine Advantage update which ONLY runs from IE. At least it will not download in the WSUS server (local instance of Windows Update Server). 

Bob


On Jan 13, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Jeff Massung wrote:

> Oh, and making Windows Update require IE sucks, too, though. ;-)
> 
> Jeff M.




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 13 20:04:08 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:04:08 -0600
Subject: Windows code signing
Message-ID: <4D2FA108.6060709@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm in the position of wanting to release a no-cost or low-cost app for 
Windows, but without a code-signing certificate Windows puts up the 
scary "untrusted publisher" notification every time the app launches. 
Certificates cost a couple hundred dollars and I don't want to do that.

So the question is, how do other shareware or freeware authors deal with 
it? Are users so used to it by now they'll just click OK and proceed? 
What do you guys do?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From massung at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 20:07:28 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:07:28 -0700
Subject: Debugging VB vs LC
In-Reply-To: <4D2F9925.8050904@eml.cc>
References: <4D2F9925.8050904@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikYsSs_7WJj5J4MdP__A+y8AUy6ci56PbtFqc4r@mail.gmail.com>

Calvin,

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how much less debugging you'll be
spending in LC vs. VB (or C# or other compiled languages).

Most debugging (in VB, ...) is based around inspecting variables and
objects, because those things are only available to you while the program is
actually running. Let's take something that I've done recently and I'll walk
you through what I mean.

Let's say you wanted to make a simple RSS reader. Assuming you've laid out
your controls and are actually "programming" now. In VB you'd do something
like this in the script for a button:

sub OnClick()
   dim socket as RssSocket = new RssSocket()
   socket.Load("http://foo.com/rss.xml")
end

' in RssSocket, which is a subclass of HttpSocket
sub OnLoadComplete(content as string)
   dim doc as XmlDocument = new XmlDocument()
   doc.Load(content)
   foreach(item in doc.FindElement("/channel/item"))
      ' ...
   next
end

Let's look at this a bit more. First, you had to write code to subclass
HttpSocket to make RssSocket so you could override OnLoadComplete. Now, you
discover that somewhere in all of this is a bug. So you sent breakpoints in
OnClick() and OnLoadComplete(). Breakpoints hit, you examine the socket
object, the document object, maybe you find a bug. You stop the debugger
(and the program), you edit some code, recompile, try again.

Now let's look at the same process in LC (again, like th VB this is pseudo
code)...

on mouseUp
   get url "http://foo.com/rss.xml"
   set the cRssText of field "Headlines" to it
   parseHeadlines
end mouseUp

command parseHeadlines
   put revXMLCreateTree(the cRssText of field "Headlines") into tDoc
   put revXMLChildItems(tDoc, "/channel/items") into tItems

   repeat for each line tItem in tItems
      # ...
   end repeat
end parseHeadlines

I tried to keep the spirit of the VB code alive in the Rev code. First off,
we didn't have to subclass anything. We just created a custom property of
the field control on a whim because it was convenient.

Second, there's no "debugging" yet. Sure, we can set breakpoints if we
needed to, but there's no real separation of code-time and run-time, because
there's no compile-time like there is in the VB. Let's say we click the
button but we don't see any headlines? We just open up the inspector for our
field control and look at the cRssText property we set. Does it have XML in
it? If not, we'll what is there instead (maybe an error message).

Maybe there is XML in the property -- so downloading the RSS worked, but
there's something wrong with our parsing code. So, we set breakpoints check
some stuff out and modify code. But there's no need to click the button and
try again. Instead, just r-click the field and send the "parseHeadlines"
message to it. After all, you never actually stopped running your program
and the RSS XML data never went away. Just try parsing it again.

That's a trivial example. But the principle holds true for much larger
projects. Imagine you wrote some code that took a whole ton of data and did
a lot of processing on it. At the end of that processing (let's say 10
minutes later), something didn't work. Making a change, recompiling, and
running through that 10 minute wait again just to see if your change worked
would be horrible - talk about wasting time/money! With LC you don't have
that problem. You just make a change and continue from where you left off.

Try it yourself. A friend of mine finally grokked LC once he made something
stupidly simple: and RPN calculator in LC (which he didn't know) and then
remade it C# (which he did know). After a little while in LC and he just
figured out that his program was live (pun intended) all the time, remaking
the app in C# was just a painful experience.

Jeff M.


From dr.alistair at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 20:16:45 2011
From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (planix)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:16:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: WordReport introductory sale ending
In-Reply-To: <4D2EF908.2010905@pair.com>
References: <4D2EF908.2010905@pair.com>
Message-ID: <1294967805030-3217043.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Curry,

This is just what I've been waiting for. I have downloaded and will get
started on my new app including this.

Thanks and congratulations

Alistair
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From dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Jan 13 20:48:02 2011
From: dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk (Douglas)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 01:48:02 +0000
Subject: OT: Are Microsoft really at it again!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimxOi-ev8q6ryTRg4AVTkKTwXtJ+vkqbi1yUCF=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D2F8AE6.9070707@tiscali.co.uk>
	<AANLkTimxOi-ev8q6ryTRg4AVTkKTwXtJ+vkqbi1yUCF=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D2FAB52.3060005@tiscali.co.uk>

On 14/01/2011 00:25, Jeff Massung wrote:
> Honestly, I just think that's silly. When I start up OS X for the first time
> it doesn't ask me if I'd like to use Opera, Chrome, or FF instead of
> Safari.
>
I agree, and also find it annoying that Apple are allowed to bundle 
Safari without a similar notification at least.
Also, I think it odd that Apple can bundle Safari and disallow other 
browsers on the iPad due to the approval system.
I have tried a few "alternative" browsers on iPad and they were 
completely unreliable, but so is Safari on some websites!
(That is completely aside from the Flash issue.)
Douglas



From cjw at eml.cc  Thu Jan 13 21:19:00 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:19:00 -0600
Subject: Debugging VB vs LC
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikYsSs_7WJj5J4MdP__A+y8AUy6ci56PbtFqc4r@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D2F9925.8050904@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTikYsSs_7WJj5J4MdP__A+y8AUy6ci56PbtFqc4r@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D2FB294.6060302@eml.cc>

Hi Jeff,

Very nice!  I really appreciate your taking the time to compose such an 
illustrative post.  I'm not sure I understood every step, but I do 
understand how to compare.

This has been a most enlightening exercise.

Fair winds,
Calvin

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Jeff Massung <mailto:massung at gmail.com>
> Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:07 PM
>
>
> Calvin,
>
> I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how much less debugging 
> you'll be
> spending in LC vs. VB (or C# or other compiled languages).
>
> Most debugging (in VB, ...) is based around inspecting variables and
> objects, because those things are only available to you while the 
> program is
> actually running. Let's take something that I've done recently and 
> I'll walk
> you through what I mean.
>
> Let's say you wanted to make a simple RSS reader. Assuming you've laid out
> your controls and are actually "programming" now. In VB you'd do something
> like this in the script for a button:
>
> sub OnClick()
> dim socket as RssSocket = new RssSocket()
> socket.Load("http://foo.com/rss.xml")
> end
>
> ' in RssSocket, which is a subclass of HttpSocket
> sub OnLoadComplete(content as string)
> dim doc as XmlDocument = new XmlDocument()
> doc.Load(content)
> foreach(item in doc.FindElement("/channel/item"))
> ' ...
> next
> end
>
> Let's look at this a bit more. First, you had to write code to subclass
> HttpSocket to make RssSocket so you could override OnLoadComplete. 
> Now, you
> discover that somewhere in all of this is a bug. So you sent 
> breakpoints in
> OnClick() and OnLoadComplete(). Breakpoints hit, you examine the socket
> object, the document object, maybe you find a bug. You stop the debugger
> (and the program), you edit some code, recompile, try again.
>
> Now let's look at the same process in LC (again, like th VB this is pseudo
> code)...
>
> on mouseUp
> get url "http://foo.com/rss.xml"
> set the cRssText of field "Headlines" to it
> parseHeadlines
> end mouseUp
>
> command parseHeadlines
> put revXMLCreateTree(the cRssText of field "Headlines") into tDoc
> put revXMLChildItems(tDoc, "/channel/items") into tItems
>
> repeat for each line tItem in tItems
> # ...
> end repeat
> end parseHeadlines
>
> I tried to keep the spirit of the VB code alive in the Rev code. First 
> off,
> we didn't have to subclass anything. We just created a custom property of
> the field control on a whim because it was convenient.
>
> Second, there's no "debugging" yet. Sure, we can set breakpoints if we
> needed to, but there's no real separation of code-time and run-time, 
> because
> there's no compile-time like there is in the VB. Let's say we click the
> button but we don't see any headlines? We just open up the inspector 
> for our
> field control and look at the cRssText property we set. Does it have 
> XML in
> it? If not, we'll what is there instead (maybe an error message).
>
> Maybe there is XML in the property -- so downloading the RSS worked, but
> there's something wrong with our parsing code. So, we set breakpoints 
> check
> some stuff out and modify code. But there's no need to click the 
> button and
> try again. Instead, just r-click the field and send the "parseHeadlines"
> message to it. After all, you never actually stopped running your program
> and the RSS XML data never went away. Just try parsing it again.
>
> That's a trivial example. But the principle holds true for much larger
> projects. Imagine you wrote some code that took a whole ton of data 
> and did
> a lot of processing on it. At the end of that processing (let's say 10
> minutes later), something didn't work. Making a change, recompiling, and
> running through that 10 minute wait again just to see if your change 
> worked
> would be horrible - talk about wasting time/money! With LC you don't have
> that problem. You just make a change and continue from where you left off.
>
> Try it yourself. A friend of mine finally grokked LC once he made 
> something
> stupidly simple: and RPN calculator in LC (which he didn't know) and then
> remade it C# (which he did know). After a little while in LC and he just
> figured out that his program was live (pun intended) all the time, 
> remaking
> the app in C# was just a painful experience.
>
> Jeff M.
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Calvin Waterbury <mailto:cjw at eml.cc>
> Thursday, January 13, 2011 6:30 PM
>
>
> Hi,
>
> My history has a lot of VB involved.   I must admit, I really "loved" 
> the VB debugger and tools.  I have done some testing in LC with the 
> debugger, but it is a different animal, which we all know.
>
> Given one can code in a few hours and the spend days(weeks?) debugging 
> complex code, I would appreciate any comparative experience, if any 
> and just your thoughts on the debugger.
>
> TIA,
> Calvin



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jan 13 21:44:09 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:44:09 -0800
Subject: Global in debugger redux
In-Reply-To: <4658d.2619dded.3a60d333@aol.com>
References: <4658d.2619dded.3a60d333@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39746876656.20110113184409@ahsoftware.net>

Craig-

You might want to try

      ...
      if gREVDevelopment is false then
        filter tGlobalsRaw without "grev*"
      end if
      ...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jan 13 21:48:26 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:48:26 -0800
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <4D2F2208.9080901@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2F2208.9080901@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <56747133187.20110113184826@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Thursday, January 13, 2011, 8:02:16 AM, you wrote:

> How did you do that for any objects other than images?

It can be done, but it's *really* ugly. Determine the ID you want to
create (it's best to create a numerically-sorted list if you're doing
more than one), then start creating and deleting objects until you've
created one with an ID one less than that. Then go ahead and create
your new object. Rinse and repeat.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jan 13 21:51:11 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:51:11 -0800
Subject: ID's are settable???
In-Reply-To: <4D2F63C4.9080308@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2F63C4.9080308@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <189747298203.20110113185111@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Thursday, January 13, 2011, 12:42:44 PM, you wrote:

> For settable IDs, Mark Wieder could make a stronger case than I could,
> since this feature was added to support a nifty new tool he's been 
> working on.

Yep, you can all thank me for lobbying to get this implemented. If you
don't absolutely need this feature (and it's pretty obvious that since
nobody noticed its appearance that nobody really needs it) then don't
mess with it. Please. You can get into all sorts of trouble. It is
indeed the pistol-and-map-to-foot syndrome. But it's absolutely
essential for version control and had to be implemented at the engine
level.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Jan 13 21:55:36 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:55:36 -0600
Subject: Your message to use-livecode awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <4D2F9612.80505@eml.cc>
References: <4c68a.7482b02c.3a60ea2a@aol.com>
	<4D2F9612.80505@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=2vTv=E5sGG3emF-Ncq5XGuxkteZ4kVyuOe6Vg@mail.gmail.com>

sometimes it's the quoting - every reply adds more text if you don't clean
it up.
Attachments will not work, just links.

On 13 January 2011 18:17, Calvin Waterbury <cjw at eml.cc> wrote:

> Hi Craig,
>
> I think you may be right.  I'll wait and see if the mods go ahead and send
> the messages through.  They might be a touch dated by then, but it won't
> clog the list with dupes.  This list is *busy* enough without those kind of
> shenanigans. :)
>
> Fair winds,
> Calvin
>
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>        DunbarX at aol.com <mailto:DunbarX at aol.com>
>> Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:52 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> This used to happen to me when I sent code snippets by simply copying and
>> pasting the styled text taken from the script editor into the body of an
>> email message. The styled text makes a much larger file than you would
>> think. I
>> always convert to plain text before I paste.
>>
>> Is this the culprit?
>>
>> Craig Newman
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Jan 13 21:56:14 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:56:14 -0600
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <4D2FA108.6060709@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4D2FA108.6060709@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+LPxoK21YG-Y96+VL9TNwDu1fDS4bfdRiWdpM@mail.gmail.com>

sounds like a hostage situation.

On 13 January 2011 19:04, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> I'm in the position of wanting to release a no-cost or low-cost app for
> Windows, but without a code-signing certificate Windows puts up the scary
> "untrusted publisher" notification every time the app launches. Certificates
> cost a couple hundred dollars and I don't want to do that.
>
> So the question is, how do other shareware or freeware authors deal with
> it? Are users so used to it by now they'll just click OK and proceed? What
> do you guys do?
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From cjw at eml.cc  Thu Jan 13 21:57:47 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:57:47 -0600
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <1294961427639-3216935.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc>
	<4D2F7F50.5000802@fourthworld.com>	<4D2F81B1.2010204@eml.cc>
	<1294961427639-3216935.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4D2FBBAB.5080303@eml.cc>

Hi Alejandro,

FYI - I found this in my "Drafts" folder.  If I sent it previously, please accept my apologies.



>  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  	Alejandro Tejada
>  Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:30 PM
>
>
>  Hi Calvin,
>
>  Did you created a flowchart
>  of the software that you
>  want to create?
>
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowchart
>
>  Alejandro
>  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  	Calvin Waterbury
>  Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:50 PM
>
>
>  Hi Richard,
>
>  Ye Sir! Your tone and attitude, as well as the content reflect exactly that of
>  my mentor. He's been at it about two years. He goes by "Doc." At least that was
>  his moniker when I became acquainted with him. He's a great guy!
>
>  Thanks for the encouragement.
>
>  Fair winds,
>  Calvin
>
>  >  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  >
>  >  Richard Gaskin
>  >  Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:40 PM
>  >
>  >
>  >  Welcome aboard, Calvin.
>  >
>  >  Calvin Waterbury wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >  Yep. I understand that's sometimes shocking to VB devs, and more so to folks
>  >  who've used TookBook, which throws DLLs and .tb files all over the system (I
>  >  liked many things about ToolBook, but their installation complexity wasn't one
>  >  of them).
>  >
>  >  The LiveCode engine packs a lot into its modest 2.5MB size, and has no
>  >  dependencies on anything else except for any optional DLL externals you may
>  >  choose to use.
>  >
>  >  The most frequent tech support question I get from the institutional customers
>  >  I support is from IT staffers who can't believe that installing our
>  >  LiveCode-based app is as simple as we describe it. When I tell them it has no
>  >  dependencies on any DLLs, and runs on every Win system from 2000 through 7,
>  >  they still keep asking, "What else does it need to install?"
>  >
>  >  When I finally convince them to to just try using the simple instructions we
>  >  provide, most of the time they write me back with something like, "Wow, so
>  >  simple. Never seen anything like that."
>  >
>  >
>  >  This is one of the benefits of cross-platform computing, at least with
>  >  LiveCode. While multiple DLL dependencies are common in Windows apps, Linux
>  >  handles things differently and Mac users have no patience with that sort of
>  >  thing.
>  >
>  >  Yes, using LiveCode is definitely weird, but in the literal sense: of or
>  >  pertaining to the supernatural. :)
>  >
>  >  It can be a mind-bender to get used to, but once you do I suspect you'll find
>  >  a lot of things surprisingly easy.
>  >
>  >  --
>  >  Richard Gaskin
>  >  Fourth World
>  >  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  >  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  >  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>  >
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>  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  	Calvin Waterbury
>  Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:44 PM
>
>
>  Hi,
>
>  I have just begun in LC and frankly, some of the comments in the "Vent!"
>  thread scares me! Also, I have/am reading all the FAQ stuff I can, but it's
>  tough to sort it all out at his time, so if I ask a inappropriate(read:
>  "dumb")question, just send me to my room. PLEASE don't hit me?!?
>
>  I have a graphics-dragging app that has been coded and complies into a single
>  exec. Do all apps created in LC compile to a single exec, say an app that has
>  a database?
>
>  Thanks for the help... I'm gonna need it!
>  Calvin
>




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jan 13 21:59:32 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:59:32 -0800
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc>
References: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTimJpzvuh8b9TZFXSx_SvX90hMJfbNwdSkfA5FKn@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <180747798968.20110113185932@ahsoftware.net>

Calvin-

Thursday, January 13, 2011, 2:05:36 PM, you wrote:

> I coded in Visual Basic for a few years and making the paradigm
> shift to LC is weird.

Now *there's* an understatement...

>   Do you know if I purchase the personal license and code in it until I
> am ready to go commercial and *then* upgrade to a commercial license,
> will my apps upgrade too or will I have to recode/recompile??

That's the way I'd go, given your situation. Get the personal license
now, upgrade later. Have fun playing around with it until you're ready
to build something commercial and do the upgrade then.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jan 13 21:59:35 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:59:35 -0800
Subject: Debugging  VB vs LC
In-Reply-To: <4D2F9925.8050904@eml.cc>
References: <4D2F9925.8050904@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <108747802562.20110113185935@ahsoftware.net>

Calvin-

Thursday, January 13, 2011, 4:30:29 PM, you wrote:

> My history has a lot of VB involved.   I must admit, I really "loved"
> the VB debugger and tools.  I have done some testing in LC with the 
> debugger, but it is a different animal, which we all know.

> Given one can code in a few hours and the spend days(weeks?) debugging
> complex code, I would appreciate any comparative experience, if any and
> just your thoughts on the debugger.

At this point I would be remiss not mentionin PowerDebug. There's a
nag-but-otherwise-fully-functional version on revOnline, a walkthrough
demo at http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/PowerDebug/PDDemo.html,
and you can buy the full version at
http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/BuyPowerDebug.irev

Oh...and welcome to the list.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From cjw at eml.cc  Thu Jan 13 22:03:44 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:03:44 -0600
Subject: Your message to use-livecode awaits moderator approval
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=2vTv=E5sGG3emF-Ncq5XGuxkteZ4kVyuOe6Vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4c68a.7482b02c.3a60ea2a@aol.com>	<4D2F9612.80505@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTi=2vTv=E5sGG3emF-Ncq5XGuxkteZ4kVyuOe6Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D2FBD10.5070301@eml.cc>

Hi Stephen,

I read you.  I'll have to check and see if my email client (Postbox) has a setting to include only the last XX characters, lines, etc.

Thanks for the heads-up!
Calvin



From cjw at eml.cc  Thu Jan 13 22:13:24 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:13:24 -0600
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <180747798968.20110113185932@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc>	<AANLkTimJpzvuh8b9TZFXSx_SvX90hMJfbNwdSkfA5FKn@mail.gmail.com>	<4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc>
	<180747798968.20110113185932@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4D2FBF54.1010308@eml.cc>

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the reply.  Unfortunately, I can't wait.  I have an app out there right now.  Someone migrated my BASIC code to LiveCode and compiled it to get it up before a deadline.  The app seems to be well received, so I don't want to mess up the reception with the nag screens the Personal License applies.  

FYI - Oddly, at this time, cash flow is not an issue, so getting the commercial license would not be a problem.  I am not in a hurry, even though I *really* am!

FYI - Here is the link to the app.  I call it, "VeggieSquares."  It is in a pre-release version, so don't look at it too close.

http://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=23881.msg216792#msg216792

Fair winds,
Calvin  



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 13 22:33:16 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:33:16 -0600
Subject: ID's are settable???
In-Reply-To: <189747298203.20110113185111@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4D2F63C4.9080308@fourthworld.com>
	<189747298203.20110113185111@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4D2FC3FC.6050200@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/13/11 8:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> If you
> don't absolutely need this feature (and it's pretty obvious that since
> nobody noticed its appearance that nobody really needs it) then don't
> mess with it. Please. You can get into all sorts of trouble. It is
> indeed the pistol-and-map-to-foot syndrome.

I second that. RR is getting tech queue questions from people who are 
changing IDs without realizing they can now conflict with card IDs. 
Eventually their stack is a mess and starts failing to recognize cards, 
or showing wrong images, or appearing to have "lost" images. The ability 
should come with a big circle/slash over it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 13 22:34:25 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:34:25 -0600
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=+LPxoK21YG-Y96+VL9TNwDu1fDS4bfdRiWdpM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D2FA108.6060709@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTi=+LPxoK21YG-Y96+VL9TNwDu1fDS4bfdRiWdpM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D2FC441.2070501@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/13/11 8:56 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
> sounds like a hostage situation.

Well, to be fair, Verisign gets the money. But still.

>
> On 13 January 2011 19:04, J. Landman Gay<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>  wrote:
>
>> I'm in the position of wanting to release a no-cost or low-cost app for
>> Windows, but without a code-signing certificate Windows puts up the scary
>> "untrusted publisher" notification every time the app launches. Certificates
>> cost a couple hundred dollars and I don't want to do that.
>>
>> So the question is, how do other shareware or freeware authors deal with
>> it? Are users so used to it by now they'll just click OK and proceed? What
>> do you guys do?
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>
>
>


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From katir at hindu.org  Thu Jan 13 23:08:36 2011
From: katir at hindu.org (Web Admin Himalayan Academy)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:08:36 -1000
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <4D2FC441.2070501@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4D2FA108.6060709@hyperactivesw.com>	<AANLkTi=+LPxoK21YG-Y96+VL9TNwDu1fDS4bfdRiWdpM@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2FC441.2070501@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4D2FCC44.6040202@hindu.org>



On 1/13/11 5:34 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 1/13/11 8:56 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>> sounds like a hostage situation.
>
> Well, to be fair, Verisign gets the money. But still.
Yep, freeware, non-profits deploying simply utilities to volunteers have 
to bite the bullet:

Tucows is as about as cheap as it gets:

1 year Comodo Code Signing Certificate: $75
2 year Comodo Code Signing Certificate: $140
3 year Comodo Code Signing Certificate: $195



From bvlahos at mac.com  Thu Jan 13 23:09:50 2011
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:09:50 -0800
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <4D2FA108.6060709@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4D2FA108.6060709@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F0D4F365-ABAC-4A7F-B070-EF7D6B0EF015@mac.com>

Jaqui,

I think most users won't care and I've certainly run such software myself. The version of InfoWallet that is downloadable from the web site is still not signed (I plan on making the signed version available in the near future) and I haven't had anyone complain except when Norton flagged it as suspect. Signing it solved that problem immediately.

I have successfully code signed InfoWallet with a TUCOWS/Comodo certificate which only costs $75 (what a deal). The process is very difficult, tedious, and time consuming to set up for any of the sources. Once set up as a batch file it is now trivially simple for me to sign apps - just drag and drop.

When I get some time I will try to document the procedure. Here are some links that were instrumental to me and one of them has a link to a $49 commercial application to help make is easier. I haven't looked at it (doing it the hard way myself) but if it is half as good as they describe it would be worth it.
http://www.wiscocomputing.com/articles/code-signing.htm
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/8s9b9yaz(VS.80).aspx
http://help.godaddy.com/article/4782

Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.

On Jan 13, 2011, at 5:04 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I'm in the position of wanting to release a no-cost or low-cost app for Windows, but without a code-signing certificate Windows puts up the scary "untrusted publisher" notification every time the app launches. Certificates cost a couple hundred dollars and I don't want to do that.
> 
> So the question is, how do other shareware or freeware authors deal with it? Are users so used to it by now they'll just click OK and proceed? What do you guys do?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bvlahos at mac.com  Thu Jan 13 23:42:39 2011
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:42:39 -0800
Subject: OT: Are Microsoft really at it again!
In-Reply-To: <4D2F91E1.5050006@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2F91E1.5050006@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <61A35F7F-BEA0-47D6-A5F4-D517A9908A04@mac.com>

Yeah its a tough choice. I was astounded the other day when I was talking with a co-worker about him giving me a tab delimited text export and he went on and on about how he loved CSV.

Bonkers!

Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.

On Jan 13, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I'm not sure which should die first:  the CSV file format, or all non-standard implementations in IE.  Man, that would be a tough choice...




From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 14 01:44:22 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:44:22 -0800
Subject: Saving data in standalones
Message-ID: <CD0808F5-8994-44E4-839C-4638CFABACAD@mollysrevenge.com>

I'd like to double check something on the issue of saving data in standalones  so I don't go charging down the wrong path.

I'm specifically interested in saving the values of custom properties.  I know their values won't survive across runs of the standalone but are they maintained while the standalone is running?  In other words, if I set the value of a custom property and later try to get it back in the same run of the standalone, will I get the value I saved?

Thanks,

Pete Haworth











From cjw at eml.cc  Fri Jan 14 01:45:56 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 00:45:56 -0600
Subject: Newbie Q: LiveCode Forum
Message-ID: <4D2FF124.2050302@eml.cc>

Hi,

I was wondering who here frequents the LC forum?

I'm curious because I have tried to keep up with this list.  It reminds 
me of 1982 when I tried to read every article in the "Wall Street 
Journal!"  Whoosh!  I never made through one issue and once, I started 
"stacking up for the weekend," it was all over!  :)

Anyway, I'm just wondering if I might get the same help on the forum?

Thanks for the help,
Calvin





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 14 02:12:54 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 23:12:54 -0800
Subject: Saving data in standalones
In-Reply-To: <CD0808F5-8994-44E4-839C-4638CFABACAD@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <CD0808F5-8994-44E4-839C-4638CFABACAD@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <2763001000.20110113231254@ahsoftware.net>

Pete-

Thursday, January 13, 2011, 10:44:22 PM, you wrote:

> In other words, if I set the value of a custom property and later
> try to get it back in the same run of the standalone, will I get the
> value I saved?

Yes. No worries.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 14 02:14:48 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 23:14:48 -0800
Subject: Newbie Q: LiveCode Forum
In-Reply-To: <4D2FF124.2050302@eml.cc>
References: <4D2FF124.2050302@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <159763115531.20110113231448@ahsoftware.net>

Calvin-

Thursday, January 13, 2011, 10:45:56 PM, you wrote:

> Anyway, I'm just wondering if I might get the same help on the forum?

Don't know, but are you aware that this group is also archived on
gmane? Not only is it a good way to read the group, you can also
search posts back to 2005 or so.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From cjw at eml.cc  Fri Jan 14 02:43:57 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 01:43:57 -0600
Subject: Newbie Q: LiveCode Forum
In-Reply-To: <159763115531.20110113231448@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4D2FF124.2050302@eml.cc>
	<159763115531.20110113231448@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4D2FFEBD.8090907@eml.cc>

Hi Mark,

What and/or where is "gmane?"

Thanks,
Calvin



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 14 02:51:12 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 23:51:12 -0800
Subject: Newbie Q: LiveCode Forum
In-Reply-To: <4D2FFEBD.8090907@eml.cc>
References: <4D2FF124.2050302@eml.cc>
	<159763115531.20110113231448@ahsoftware.net> <4D2FFEBD.8090907@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <63765299046.20110113235112@ahsoftware.net>

Calvin-

Thursday, January 13, 2011, 11:43:57 PM, you wrote:

> What and/or where is "gmane?"

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user

Have fun.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From cjw at eml.cc  Fri Jan 14 04:00:14 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 03:00:14 -0600
Subject: Newbie Q: LiveCode Forum
In-Reply-To: <63765299046.20110113235112@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4D2FF124.2050302@eml.cc>	<159763115531.20110113231448@ahsoftware.net>
	<4D2FFEBD.8090907@eml.cc>
	<63765299046.20110113235112@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4D30109E.1080909@eml.cc>

Hi Mark,

Thank you for the link!

Take care,
Calvin



From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Fri Jan 14 04:01:36 2011
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:01:36 -0000
Subject: [ANN] ChartMaker update
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1294855201.16194.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAELPCKAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>

An update to ChartMaker is available, including a new playground stack
demonstrating on-screen data input.

Click the 'Check for updates...' link in the program, or read about this
library and download a free trial copy here:

http://www.runrev.com/store/product/chartmaker



About...
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FLCo




From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Fri Jan 14 05:10:42 2011
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:10:42 +0000
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 88, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6966.1294724169.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.6966.1294724169.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7DA37554-2D47-4849-83DD-097614642494@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>


On 11 Jan 2011, at 5:36 am, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> I'll leave it up to the psychologists on this list to examine my insanity from that :-)


'Fraid that's it.  Certified Mental ;-)

(for a framed copy of the certificate for only $99.99, contact me off list)



Best Wishes,

David Glasgow
Carlton Glasgow Partnership

i-psych.co.uk




From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Fri Jan 14 07:35:34 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:35:34 -0400
Subject: Rev Icons
In-Reply-To: <4871334F.9070706@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fc.009867af0017cd9a009867af0017cd9a.17cda0@CreaTECHSol.com>
	<4871049B.80805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<fc.009867af0017ce93009867af0017cd9a.17ce95@CreaTECHSol.com>
	<4871334F.9070706@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikxLn384Pks5NQeh3APERukpvB=S7wEdg_GuABg@mail.gmail.com>

--Rev's icon picker will display images that appear in the current stack if
you choose "This Stack" from the ---popup menu. But (if I remember right) it
won't display images in any other stacks, even if they are in the
----message hierarchy. You need to make a stack the current one to see what
images it contains.

I'm storing all my icon images in a card in the main stack of my
application. When I'm in other sub-stacks and try to use that image in a new
button it's not only not visible but sometimes even pasting in the ID
doesn't work.

Is there a better way to store all your icons? Ideally I'd like to have a
particular ID be an "edit" icon the same throughout every card and substack
and then if I decide to change that icon slightly I would like to do that in
the place it is stored and then see those changes reflected everywhere that
ID is. Presently what happens is putting a replacement image in increments
to a new ID and then changing the ID in that image makes no difference or a
confusing hodge-podge of difference.

Any suggestions on a better way to catalogue the interface elements in a
project and be able to make adjustments in the design easily?


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan 14 08:54:40 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:54:40 +0000
Subject: Required: shell scripting wizard!
Message-ID: <AANLkTimy+6yf+L6CS34HGcJQAiDiPH8bG=+cwLh55BN6@mail.gmail.com>

Actually maybe it is not so hard :) I want to  create a way to launch
LiveCode using shell, but also to pass to it a url in the first param of the
shell command. As I don't think you can do this directly anymore using shell
scritps written in LiveCode - I think I need to write a bash script and set
an environmental variable which I can then access using $ in Livecode?

This is what I need to do:

A shell command used to launch your preferred web browser when given a
URL as an argument.
>
> Defaults to "start" on windows, "open" on Mac, and "firefox" on Unix.
>
> Any thoughts?


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 09:21:42 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 07:21:42 -0700
Subject: Required: shell scripting wizard!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimy+6yf+L6CS34HGcJQAiDiPH8bG=+cwLh55BN6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimy+6yf+L6CS34HGcJQAiDiPH8bG=+cwLh55BN6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimwXwHfbuh_d=+NuHQO85eDk+hHL4X=MZJxfQcn@mail.gmail.com>

>From the command line if you do yourApp http://www.google.com

$1 will contain the url.  Works the same from a bash script.

#!/bin/bash
path/to/yourApp $1
-- will call your app using parameter 1 as parameter 1 inside the app.
-- Access it the same way within the app itself using $1

$1 is actually the 2nd parameter, $0 will contain the name of the app (or
shell script depending)

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:54 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>wrote:

> Actually maybe it is not so hard :) I want to  create a way to launch
> LiveCode using shell, but also to pass to it a url in the first param of
> the
> shell command. As I don't think you can do this directly anymore using
> shell
> scritps written in LiveCode - I think I need to write a bash script and set
> an environmental variable which I can then access using $ in Livecode?
>
> This is what I need to do:
>
> A shell command used to launch your preferred web browser when given a
> URL as an argument.
> >
> > Defaults to "start" on windows, "open" on Mac, and "firefox" on Unix.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 09:30:02 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 07:30:02 -0700
Subject: Required: shell scripting wizard!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimwXwHfbuh_d=+NuHQO85eDk+hHL4X=MZJxfQcn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimy+6yf+L6CS34HGcJQAiDiPH8bG=+cwLh55BN6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimwXwHfbuh_d=+NuHQO85eDk+hHL4X=MZJxfQcn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVJ7UwtYJXcUFPiE9RVgjHEXx+FthrqHx=b9Uk@mail.gmail.com>

Nvm, its early and I just re-iterated what you aleady know you need to do.
*goes back to bed*

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 7:21 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> From the command line if you do yourApp http://www.google.com
>
> $1 will contain the url.  Works the same from a bash script.
>
> #!/bin/bash
> path/to/yourApp $1
> -- will call your app using parameter 1 as parameter 1 inside the app.
> -- Access it the same way within the app itself using $1
>
> $1 is actually the 2nd parameter, $0 will contain the name of the app (or
> shell script depending)
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:54 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>wrote:
>
>> Actually maybe it is not so hard :) I want to  create a way to launch
>> LiveCode using shell, but also to pass to it a url in the first param of
>> the
>> shell command. As I don't think you can do this directly anymore using
>> shell
>> scritps written in LiveCode - I think I need to write a bash script and
>> set
>> an environmental variable which I can then access using $ in Livecode?
>>
>> This is what I need to do:
>>
>> A shell command used to launch your preferred web browser when given a
>> URL as an argument.
>> >
>> > Defaults to "start" on windows, "open" on Mac, and "firefox" on Unix.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Jan 14 09:37:14 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:37:14 EST
Subject: Global in debugger redux
Message-ID: <69c8f.2948e131.3a61b99a@aol.com>

Mark.

Good point.

Is there a document somewhere that, like the dictionary, explains these UI 
variables?

Craig

In a message dated 1/13/11 9:46:03 PM, mwieder at ahsoftware.net writes:


> gREVDevelopment
> 


From rjb at robelko.com  Fri Jan 14 10:12:33 2011
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:12:33 +0100
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc>
References: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTimJpzvuh8b9TZFXSx_SvX90hMJfbNwdSkfA5FKn@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <p06240843c95617d5cf03@[192.168.1.94]>

On 13.01.2011 at 16:05 Uhr -0600 Calvin Waterbury apparently wrote:
>
>  Do you know if I purchase the personal license and code in it until 
>I am ready to go commercial and *then* upgrade to a commercial 
>license, will my apps upgrade too or will I have to 
>recode/recompile??
>

Calvin,

As far as I know, whatever license is active at the time you produce 
the standalone, its rules apply. Certainly no need to recode 
anything. You can confirm that with support but I believe that you 
can develop on personal license and switch to commercial before 
producing the final app for distribution.

Robert



From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 14 10:29:43 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:29:43 -0200
Subject: Required: shell scripting wizard!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimy+6yf+L6CS34HGcJQAiDiPH8bG=+cwLh55BN6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimy+6yf+L6CS34HGcJQAiDiPH8bG=+cwLh55BN6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinK39_XvpFbO_sC=TQnRbd=PnVgCMxyM+RJ-wWH@mail.gmail.com>

David,

I don't understand. Do you want to launch livecode or a web browser?

Andre

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:54 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:
> Actually maybe it is not so hard :) I want to ?create a way to launch
> LiveCode using shell, but also to pass to it a url in the first param of the
> shell command. As I don't think you can do this directly anymore using shell
> scritps written in LiveCode - I think I need to write a bash script and set
> an environmental variable which I can then access using $ in Livecode?
>
> This is what I need to do:
>
> A shell command used to launch your preferred web browser when given a
> URL as an argument.
>>
>> Defaults to "start" on windows, "open" on Mac, and "firefox" on Unix.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan 14 10:37:08 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 07:37:08 -0800
Subject: Newbie Q: LiveCode Forum
Message-ID: <4D306DA4.1040607@fourthworld.com>

Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> I was wondering who here frequents the LC forum?
>
> I'm curious because I have tried to keep up with this list.  It reminds
> me of 1982 when I tried to read every article in the "Wall Street
> Journal!"  Whoosh!  I never made through one issue and once, I started
> "stacking up for the weekend," it was all over!  :)

I used to have that feeling with Harper's and Wired.  Had to stop 
reading them both.  I find myself reading Linux Journal cover to cover, 
but thankfully the articles are shorter so I can also get some work done. :)

> Anyway, I'm just wondering if I might get the same help on the forum?

A good many of us frequent the forums. But because this list predates 
the forums by several years, I find a lot of the people who've been 
using LiveCode the longest are here rather than there.

This list can indeed be overwhelming, but using GMane as Mark Wieder 
suggested is a good option, or switching your subscription to digest 
mode can also be helpful (mine is set for digest).

The forum is good too.  In fact, it has one feature not available on 
this list:  Bernd's attachments.   Like many here and there, Bernd is a 
very helpful fella who's quick to offer code examples to answer 
questions.   But since the forum allows attachments, while most of us 
merely post a relevant line or two of a code example, Bernd often goes 
the extra mile to put his helpful tips into a fully functional demo 
stack and attaching it to his reply.  He's been amazingly generous with 
his time, and it's much appreciated by all the forum members there.


Since you're learning LC as a second language, I hope the readers here 
will indulge another copy of what I've found, after teaching this tool 
and related dialects for so long, to be the progression through the 
learning curve for getting started with this weird beast:

    Day one:     "What the hell is going on?  Why doesn't anything work
                  like I expect?  I hate this damn thing."

    Two days:    "Omigawd, the potential is incredible! If only I knew
                  how to use it all..."

    Two weeks:    "After reading the language guide and trying some
                  things out, I'm able to do truly productive work."

    One month:    "Now I can do productive work efficiently."

    Three months: "With the flexibility of the language and the handy
                   tools in LiveCode, I'm seeing slightly greater
                   productivity than in my formerly-favorite tool I'd
                   used for years."

    Six months:   "I love this thing."

    One year:     "I love this thing like no other."


:)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan 14 10:57:20 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:57:20 +0000
Subject: Required: shell scripting wizard!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinK39_XvpFbO_sC=TQnRbd=PnVgCMxyM+RJ-wWH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimy+6yf+L6CS34HGcJQAiDiPH8bG=+cwLh55BN6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinK39_XvpFbO_sC=TQnRbd=PnVgCMxyM+RJ-wWH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimguaCoKS5y1Tk0HQ9o0_wcv9-RRS8F-wUndDh9@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mike - can't I get paid more than that? What about $2 :) Now I wonder
what happens if Livecode is already open.... hmmm that's not going to work -
it just opens another instance... is usppose the only way is to have
LiveCode Run a server?

On 14 January 2011 15:29, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> David,
>
> I don't understand. Do you want to launch livecode or a web browser?
>

Both :) I'm exploring your suggestion of using Fossil for documentation.
Normally it displays stuff in the default browser - but you can set it up so
that it instead calls a browser of your choice. I'd like to set things up so
that a shell call would get an already open copy of Livecode to pass a
message to a handler - just like you do with AppleScript events - but
something that would work on other platforms.


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 10:57:47 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:57:47 -0700
Subject: Required: shell scripting wizard!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimVJ7UwtYJXcUFPiE9RVgjHEXx+FthrqHx=b9Uk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimy+6yf+L6CS34HGcJQAiDiPH8bG=+cwLh55BN6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimwXwHfbuh_d=+NuHQO85eDk+hHL4X=MZJxfQcn@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimVJ7UwtYJXcUFPiE9RVgjHEXx+FthrqHx=b9Uk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Ygac2kCDZ2_sVZiE1vByA=2T2ZGds7Tq625_V@mail.gmail.com>

Since i've realized I'm not sure what you mean, i'll cover more bases.

In windows a batch file like the following:
start /D"C:\Program Files (x86)\RunRev\LiveCode 4.5.3" livecode.exe %1
start %1

Will on the first line, launch livecode (first define the directory, then
the executable itself, then the passed parameter)
In this case, livecode will start, and $0 will contain whatever url is
passed.
The 2nd line opens whatever url was passed.  If no parameter was passed,
livecode will still open, so that part is fine as is, but the 2nd line that
starts a browser with the url will need to be checked to make sure it's not
empty, otherwise it will open a new empty shell window.

Again, wasn't exactly sure what you were shooting for, but hope this helps.

On the linux front you can try something like this if you want their default
browser.

#!/bin/bash
x-www-browser $1 || { firefox $1; }

This will check to see if x-www-browser exists and if so it runs whatever is
the default. If not, it tries to run firefox.

And still stuck on Mac since I don't have one anymore.



On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nvm, its early and I just re-iterated what you aleady know you need to do.
> *goes back to bed*
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 7:21 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From the command line if you do yourApp http://www.google.com
>>
>> $1 will contain the url.  Works the same from a bash script.
>>
>> #!/bin/bash
>> path/to/yourApp $1
>> -- will call your app using parameter 1 as parameter 1 inside the app.
>> -- Access it the same way within the app itself using $1
>>
>> $1 is actually the 2nd parameter, $0 will contain the name of the app (or
>> shell script depending)
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:54 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>wrote:
>>
>>> Actually maybe it is not so hard :) I want to  create a way to launch
>>> LiveCode using shell, but also to pass to it a url in the first param of
>>> the
>>> shell command. As I don't think you can do this directly anymore using
>>> shell
>>> scritps written in LiveCode - I think I need to write a bash script and
>>> set
>>> an environmental variable which I can then access using $ in Livecode?
>>>
>>> This is what I need to do:
>>>
>>> A shell command used to launch your preferred web browser when given a
>>> URL as an argument.
>>> >
>>> > Defaults to "start" on windows, "open" on Mac, and "firefox" on Unix.
>>> >
>>> > Any thoughts?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>
>>
>


From davidocoker at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 11:01:48 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:01:48 -0600
Subject: Newbie Q: LiveCode Forum
In-Reply-To: <4D306DA4.1040607@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D306DA4.1040607@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimTTHngfLwgGb1VbgBCe2sSdp4h5gpTkja9zMSW@mail.gmail.com>

> Since you're learning LC as a second language, I hope the readers here will
> indulge another copy of what I've found, after teaching this tool and
> related dialects for so long, to be the progression through the learning
> curve for getting started with this weird beast:
>
> ? Day one: ? ? "What the hell is going on? ?Why doesn't anything work
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? like I expect? ?I hate this damn thing."
>
> ? Two days: ? ?"Omigawd, the potential is incredible! If only I knew
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? how to use it all..."
>
> ? Two weeks: ? ?"After reading the language guide and trying some
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? things out, I'm able to do truly productive work."
>
> ? One month: ? ?"Now I can do productive work efficiently."
>
> ? Three months: "With the flexibility of the language and the handy
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?tools in LiveCode, I'm seeing slightly greater
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?productivity than in my formerly-favorite tool I'd
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?used for years."
>
> ? Six months: ? "I love this thing."
>
> ? One year: ? ? "I love this thing like no other."
>
>
> :)
>
> --
> ?Richard Gaskin

Thanks for posting that for him Richard!
You posted that to me some years ago and I've found it to be close to
my exact experience once I made the decision to use Rev/LC in earnest.
Best description of the process I've seen anywhere.


Best regards,
David C.



From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 14 11:01:09 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:01:09 -0200
Subject: Newbie Q: LiveCode Forum
In-Reply-To: <4D306DA4.1040607@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D306DA4.1040607@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikw+pECbhvBC4C95_--B1SU6hsNEp=i+UhRStS4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> Calvin Waterbury wrote:
>
>> I was wondering who here frequents the LC forum?
>>
>> I'm curious because I have tried to keep up with this list. ?It reminds
>> me of 1982 when I tried to read every article in the "Wall Street
>> Journal!" ?Whoosh! ?I never made through one issue and once, I started
>> "stacking up for the weekend," it was all over! ?:)
>
> I used to have that feeling with Harper's and Wired. ?Had to stop reading
> them both. ?I find myself reading Linux Journal cover to cover, but
> thankfully the articles are shorter so I can also get some work done. :)
>
>> Anyway, I'm just wondering if I might get the same help on the forum?
>
> A good many of us frequent the forums. But because this list predates the
> forums by several years, I find a lot of the people who've been using
> LiveCode the longest are here rather than there.
>
> This list can indeed be overwhelming, but using GMane as Mark Wieder
> suggested is a good option, or switching your subscription to digest mode
> can also be helpful (mine is set for digest).
>
> The forum is good too. ?In fact, it has one feature not available on this
> list: ?Bernd's attachments. ? Like many here and there, Bernd is a very
> helpful fella who's quick to offer code examples to answer questions. ? But
> since the forum allows attachments, while most of us merely post a relevant
> line or two of a code example, Bernd often goes the extra mile to put his
> helpful tips into a fully functional demo stack and attaching it to his
> reply. ?He's been amazingly generous with his time, and it's much
> appreciated by all the forum members there.
>
>
> Since you're learning LC as a second language, I hope the readers here will
> indulge another copy of what I've found, after teaching this tool and
> related dialects for so long, to be the progression through the learning
> curve for getting started with this weird beast:
>
> ? Day one: ? ? "What the hell is going on? ?Why doesn't anything work
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? like I expect? ?I hate this damn thing."
>
> ? Two days: ? ?"Omigawd, the potential is incredible! If only I knew
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? how to use it all..."
>
> ? Two weeks: ? ?"After reading the language guide and trying some
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? things out, I'm able to do truly productive work."
>
> ? One month: ? ?"Now I can do productive work efficiently."
>
> ? Three months: "With the flexibility of the language and the handy
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?tools in LiveCode, I'm seeing slightly greater
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?productivity than in my formerly-favorite tool I'd
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?used for years."
>
> ? Six months: ? "I love this thing."
>
> ? One year: ? ? "I love this thing like no other."


Six years: "I want a message path for my LIFE!"


>
>
> :)
>
> --
> ?Richard Gaskin
> ?Fourth World
> ?LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> ?Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> ?LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 11:11:17 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:11:17 -0700
Subject: Required: shell scripting wizard!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimguaCoKS5y1Tk0HQ9o0_wcv9-RRS8F-wUndDh9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimy+6yf+L6CS34HGcJQAiDiPH8bG=+cwLh55BN6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinK39_XvpFbO_sC=TQnRbd=PnVgCMxyM+RJ-wWH@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimguaCoKS5y1Tk0HQ9o0_wcv9-RRS8F-wUndDh9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimCMuAn9+KeaJjcE6bTC59HQCD8+4PmJwPeHLN3@mail.gmail.com>

Ah. Maybe a plugin thats set to start with LC that listens to a socket?  Or
checks an env variable ever so often, or a file for changes, or a
combination of these such as hit a listening port in your plugin and check a
file/var whatever.

As for the multiple instances problem, if you go with the plugin route,
could have it create a tmp file to indicate running status, delete it on
close so you know whether to start up rev or not.


Both :) I'm exploring your suggestion of using Fossil for documentation.
Normally it displays stuff in the default browser - but you can set it up so
that it instead calls a browser of your choice. I'd like to set things up so
that a shell call would get an already open copy of Livecode to pass a
message to a handler - just like you do with AppleScript events - but
something that would work on other platforms.


From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Fri Jan 14 11:14:24 2011
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:14:24 +0100
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <C4AA894F-D58A-4D61-944E-124EC24BC2B2@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1jv1vfd.8wqoifoqfirkM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Bob Cole <bobcole at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I may use this myself in my copious free time. :)

Funny -- and informative :-)

in the field script, add:

on mouseup
   revDocumentationGo (the selectedtext of me)
end mouseup

and add a vertical scrollbar to that field



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Jan 14 11:20:49 2011
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:20:49 +0100
Subject: Newbie Q: LiveCode Forum
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikw+pECbhvBC4C95_--B1SU6hsNEp=i+UhRStS4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D306DA4.1040607@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTikw+pECbhvBC4C95_--B1SU6hsNEp=i+UhRStS4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C97166-9C19-4396-B3CE-AD56E9F6B228@ezpzapps.com>


On Jan 14, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Six years: "I want a message path for my LIFE!"

Naaaa....   Surprises can be a fun. A scripted life might be boring.


Life is Good,
sims








From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 11:26:06 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:26:06 +0100
Subject: LiveCode Player news?
Message-ID: <AANLkTinhZm+BPNorYOvpTRUMeN6o3qwkh7mUyae8XPsh@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

Is there any news on the new LiveCode Player? Development or possible
release date?
Or is that not to be discussed on this list?

I really want it :-)


Greetings,

William



From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 14 12:20:08 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:20:08 -0800
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <F0D4F365-ABAC-4A7F-B070-EF7D6B0EF015@mac.com>
References: <4D2FA108.6060709@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F0D4F365-ABAC-4A7F-B070-EF7D6B0EF015@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1E0D4E45-BA8D-4F19-AAB1-F2D671149692@twft.com>

This is one of the reasons we did not switch to Vista or Windows 7. In XP signing was optional. In Vista and 7 it is mandatory. This is akin to malware infecting your computer and then charging you for a utility to "fix" it. It's only slightly better in that it will run without continually nagging you and getting in your way. But it's still an abominable practice. 

Bob


On Jan 13, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> Jaqui,
> 
> I think most users won't care and I've certainly run such software myself. The version of InfoWallet that is downloadable from the web site is still not signed (I plan on making the signed version available in the near future) and I haven't had anyone complain except when Norton flagged it as suspect. Signing it solved that problem immediately.
> 
> I have successfully code signed InfoWallet with a TUCOWS/Comodo certificate which only costs $75 (what a deal). The process is very difficult, tedious, and time consuming to set up for any of the sources. Once set up as a batch file it is now trivially simple for me to sign apps - just drag and drop.
> 
> When I get some time I will try to document the procedure. Here are some links that were instrumental to me and one of them has a link to a $49 commercial application to help make is easier. I haven't looked at it (doing it the hard way myself) but if it is half as good as they describe it would be worth it.
> http://www.wiscocomputing.com/articles/code-signing.htm
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/8s9b9yaz(VS.80).aspx
> http://help.godaddy.com/article/4782
> 
> Bill Vlahos
> _________________
> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.
> 
> On Jan 13, 2011, at 5:04 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> I'm in the position of wanting to release a no-cost or low-cost app for Windows, but without a code-signing certificate Windows puts up the scary "untrusted publisher" notification every time the app launches. Certificates cost a couple hundred dollars and I don't want to do that.
>> 
>> So the question is, how do other shareware or freeware authors deal with it? Are users so used to it by now they'll just click OK and proceed? What do you guys do?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 14 12:26:49 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:26:49 -0800
Subject: Rev Icons
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikxLn384Pks5NQeh3APERukpvB=S7wEdg_GuABg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fc.009867af0017cd9a009867af0017cd9a.17cda0@CreaTECHSol.com>
	<4871049B.80805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<fc.009867af0017ce93009867af0017cd9a.17ce95@CreaTECHSol.com>
	<4871334F.9070706@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikxLn384Pks5NQeh3APERukpvB=S7wEdg_GuABg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <147F6608-DA10-45E4-A53F-A486C81982BE@mollysrevenge.com>

Have you looked at the Image Library under the development menu?  I imported a set of icons that I use across several applications.  From the library, you can place either an image or a button with it's icon set to an image on any card in your app.  I don;t think you can edit the image from within the library so you'd have to edit it's original file then re-import the image set.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 14, 2011, at 4:35 AM, william humphrey wrote:

> --Rev's icon picker will display images that appear in the current stack if
> you choose "This Stack" from the ---popup menu. But (if I remember right) it
> won't display images in any other stacks, even if they are in the
> ----message hierarchy. You need to make a stack the current one to see what
> images it contains.
> 
> I'm storing all my icon images in a card in the main stack of my
> application. When I'm in other sub-stacks and try to use that image in a new
> button it's not only not visible but sometimes even pasting in the ID
> doesn't work.
> 
> Is there a better way to store all your icons? Ideally I'd like to have a
> particular ID be an "edit" icon the same throughout every card and substack
> and then if I decide to change that icon slightly I would like to do that in
> the place it is stored and then see those changes reflected everywhere that
> ID is. Presently what happens is putting a replacement image in increments
> to a new ID and then changing the ID in that image makes no difference or a
> confusing hodge-podge of difference.
> 
> Any suggestions on a better way to catalogue the interface elements in a
> project and be able to make adjustments in the design easily?
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From baccheschi at tin.it  Fri Jan 14 12:38:47 2011
From: baccheschi at tin.it (baccheschi at tin.it)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:38:47 +0100 (CET)
Subject: a help ..
Message-ID: <12d859baaa3.baccheschi@tin.it>

 i am at the beginning.......
p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica}
p.p2 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px}
p.p3 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Arial}
p.p4 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Arial; min-height: 14.0px}
span.s1 {font: 12.0px Arial}



 i would like to "manage" the "About This Application" menu item
I tried to do somthing with Menu builder,  but in a StandAlone appllication nothing goes as i would


If  somebody may give me indications i'll be infinitely grateful to him


thanks again


mario 

From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 14 13:24:26 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:24:26 -0800
Subject: Getprop/Setprop question
Message-ID: <85BBFE82-1C77-4D0F-A8F2-A1D73583250D@mollysrevenge.com>

I'm probably missing something obvious here but in a setprop or getprop handler, how can I find out the object whose property is being set/get, assuming the getprop/setprop is not in property owner's script? 

For example, if I have the following line of code in a script:

put the xyz of field "abc" into ttemp

... and my getprop handler for xyz  is in the script of the card that field "abc" is on, how can I discover in getprop that I'm dealing with property xyz of field "abc"?

Thanks,

Pete Haworth










From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 14 13:34:44 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:34:44 -0600
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <C4AA894F-D58A-4D61-944E-124EC24BC2B2@earthlink.net>
References: <C4AA894F-D58A-4D61-944E-124EC24BC2B2@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D309744.9030005@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/12/11 11:01 PM, Bob Cole wrote:
> Thanks to Jacque's suggestions, I was able to construct a stack that lets you display a random page from the Dictionary.
> I just uploaded it to RevOnline as "Dictionary Random Picks."

I finally got around to taking a look. Nice job. In fact, I accidentally 
discovered "synchrate"** which I never knew existed. :)

I bet there's something in this for everyone, including the pros.

**
"Specifies how often the display is updated during visual effect, drag, 
and move commands. Use the syncRate property to specify how often the 
screen is redrawn."

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 14 13:39:06 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:39:06 -0800
Subject: Rev Icons
In-Reply-To: <147F6608-DA10-45E4-A53F-A486C81982BE@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <fc.009867af0017cd9a009867af0017cd9a.17cda0@CreaTECHSol.com>
	<4871049B.80805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<fc.009867af0017ce93009867af0017cd9a.17ce95@CreaTECHSol.com>
	<4871334F.9070706@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikxLn384Pks5NQeh3APERukpvB=S7wEdg_GuABg@mail.gmail.com>
	<147F6608-DA10-45E4-A53F-A486C81982BE@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <4D22DBD6-99B5-4224-BACA-A4EF1355BCB3@twft.com>

I think he is after a kind of Adobe approach where you edit a linked file and every document that uses that file updates itself. The only thing I can think of is to name the icon image, and in a preOpencard handler (maybe in the stack script)  set the icon of the buttons to the image name. If you want to be particular about which buttons have "linked" icons then use a custom prop in each of the buttons that you can query in your preOpenCard handler. 

It's a bit klunky, but I don't know any other way to do it. 

Bob


On Jan 14, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Have you looked at the Image Library under the development menu?  I imported a set of icons that I use across several applications.  From the library, you can place either an image or a button with it's icon set to an image on any card in your app.  I don;t think you can edit the image from within the library so you'd have to edit it's original file then re-import the image set.
> 
> Pete Haworth
> 
> On Jan 14, 2011, at 4:35 AM, william humphrey wrote:
> 
>> --Rev's icon picker will display images that appear in the current stack if
>> you choose "This Stack" from the ---popup menu. But (if I remember right) it
>> won't display images in any other stacks, even if they are in the
>> ----message hierarchy. You need to make a stack the current one to see what
>> images it contains.
>> 
>> I'm storing all my icon images in a card in the main stack of my
>> application. When I'm in other sub-stacks and try to use that image in a new
>> button it's not only not visible but sometimes even pasting in the ID
>> doesn't work.
>> 
>> Is there a better way to store all your icons? Ideally I'd like to have a
>> particular ID be an "edit" icon the same throughout every card and substack
>> and then if I decide to change that icon slightly I would like to do that in
>> the place it is stored and then see those changes reflected everywhere that
>> ID is. Presently what happens is putting a replacement image in increments
>> to a new ID and then changing the ID in that image makes no difference or a
>> confusing hodge-podge of difference.
>> 
>> Any suggestions on a better way to catalogue the interface elements in a
>> project and be able to make adjustments in the design easily?
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jan 14 13:40:33 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:40:33 -0800
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <4D309744.9030005@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C955D8A1.50282%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:

> I finally got around to taking a look. Nice job. In fact, I accidentally
> discovered "synchrate"** which I never knew existed. :)

And blinkRate!  My blinkRate increased after reading about the synchRate.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Jan 14 13:42:46 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:42:46 EST
Subject: Getprop/Setprop question
Message-ID: <791d3.19a80c4d.3a61f326@aol.com>

Ask for the target in your handler.

on mouseUp
   set the superDuper of this card to ""
end mouseUp

on setProp superDuper
   put the target
end setProp


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan 14 13:51:16 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:51:16 -0800
Subject: Windows code signing
Message-ID: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > This is one of the reasons we did not switch to Vista or Windows 7.
 > In XP signing was optional. In Vista and 7 it is mandatory. This is
 > akin to malware infecting your computer and then charging you for a
 > utility to "fix" it. It's only slightly better in that it will run
 > without continually nagging you and getting in your way. But it's
 > still an abominable practice.

Personally, I think that's one of the thing MS did well.

Security is a real issue on all OSes, and this provide one way to 
certify that an app is what it says it is for just a one-time fee, 
without having to give up 30% of your annual income to the OS vendor in 
perpetuity. ;)

I wish that was an option for OS X as well.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan 14 14:00:34 2011
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:00:34 -0500
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=XVmHMLw0HRwmeaYjrWeSkMgk7HtsOnj3uQZzr@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> Security is a real issue on all OSes, and this provide one way to certify
> that an app is what it says it is for just a one-time fee, without having to
> give up 30% of your annual income to the OS vendor in perpetuity. ;)
>

It is actually more than a one-time fee. You need to renew your certificate
every year if you want to keep signing applications (I just had to renew
mine).

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com


From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 14 14:07:30 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:07:30 -0800
Subject: Getprop/Setprop question
In-Reply-To: <791d3.19a80c4d.3a61f326@aol.com>
References: <791d3.19a80c4d.3a61f326@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DBB8CCFF-D080-4A5E-B149-BC6F42C37E23@mollysrevenge.com>

Thanks.  I knew I was missing something obvious!

Pete Haworth

On Jan 14, 2011, at 10:42 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Ask for the target in your handler.
> 
> on mouseUp
>   set the superDuper of this card to ""
> end mouseUp
> 
> on setProp superDuper
>   put the target
> end setProp
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 14 14:14:17 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:14:17 -0800
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0655E4D6-2391-4AD9-A0F4-5A88C7130F11@twft.com>

Whoa a one time fee? I thought the certificate was a one year certificate?

Bob


On Jan 14, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
> > This is one of the reasons we did not switch to Vista or Windows 7.
> > In XP signing was optional. In Vista and 7 it is mandatory. This is
> > akin to malware infecting your computer and then charging you for a
> > utility to "fix" it. It's only slightly better in that it will run
> > without continually nagging you and getting in your way. But it's
> > still an abominable practice.
> 
> Personally, I think that's one of the thing MS did well.
> 
> Security is a real issue on all OSes, and this provide one way to certify that an app is what it says it is for just a one-time fee, without having to give up 30% of your annual income to the OS vendor in perpetuity. ;)
> 
> I wish that was an option for OS X as well.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 14 14:16:33 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:16:33 -0800
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0DB5AD31-FC4F-4668-A973-2CDEC530501D@twft.com>

In a sense, all retailers work like that. If I decide to retail my product for $100, there's no way the retail outlet is going to want to pay that much. They will want to buy it for significantly less. If you want to compensate for what Apple charges to retail your products, simply charge 30% more for it. 

Bob


On Jan 14, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
> > This is one of the reasons we did not switch to Vista or Windows 7.
> > In XP signing was optional. In Vista and 7 it is mandatory. This is
> > akin to malware infecting your computer and then charging you for a
> > utility to "fix" it. It's only slightly better in that it will run
> > without continually nagging you and getting in your way. But it's
> > still an abominable practice.
> 
> Personally, I think that's one of the thing MS did well.
> 
> Security is a real issue on all OSes, and this provide one way to certify that an app is what it says it is for just a one-time fee, without having to give up 30% of your annual income to the OS vendor in perpetuity. ;)
> 
> I wish that was an option for OS X as well.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 14 14:23:34 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:23:34 -0600
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <C955D8A1.50282%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C955D8A1.50282%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4D30A2B6.7040900@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/14/11 12:40 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> I finally got around to taking a look. Nice job. In fact, I accidentally
>> discovered "synchrate"** which I never knew existed. :)
>
> And blinkRate!  My blinkRate increased after reading about the synchRate.

Wow. Me either. Knowing you, it'll show up in some fancy stack you write 
next.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 14 14:31:41 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:31:41 -0800
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <4D30A2B6.7040900@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C955D8A1.50282%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4D30A2B6.7040900@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5770C96E-D2A8-4C0F-BD4B-299125286E32@twft.com>

I wonder if we could make this work for some kind of mind control stack...

Bob


On Jan 14, 2011, at 11:23 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/14/11 12:40 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:
>> 
>>> I finally got around to taking a look. Nice job. In fact, I accidentally
>>> discovered "synchrate"** which I never knew existed. :)
>> 
>> And blinkRate!  My blinkRate increased after reading about the synchRate.
> 
> Wow. Me either. Knowing you, it'll show up in some fancy stack you write next.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From davidocoker at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 14:33:52 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:33:52 -0600
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <0DB5AD31-FC4F-4668-A973-2CDEC530501D@twft.com>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
	<0DB5AD31-FC4F-4668-A973-2CDEC530501D@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=TgoP5nC79FBBNtitjMo4c_66yp988EKTt-iCo@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>>  If you want to compensate for what Apple charges to retail your products,
>> simply charge 30% more for it.
>
> Bob

...or tell Apple and/or the visionary Mr. Jobs to mind his/their own
business, continuing to do what developers have done for the last 30
years that was working very well. ;-)

App Store: Completely unnecessary, innovation stifling and just plain
abusive toward third party developers.

Best regards,
David C.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 14 14:37:32 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:37:32 -0600
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <0655E4D6-2391-4AD9-A0F4-5A88C7130F11@twft.com>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
	<0655E4D6-2391-4AD9-A0F4-5A88C7130F11@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D30A5FC.7070706@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/14/11 1:14 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Whoa a one time fee? I thought the certificate was a one year certificate?

According to what I've read, you do need to renew the certificate after 
it expires. You can purchase certificates for 1,2, or 3 year periods. 
But if you date your app (there's some approved way to do that, it 
embeds a date into certification) then you don't have to renew, the 
embedded date will allow your certificate to continue working after it 
expires -- or at least, no warning appears.

I appreciate everyone's comments. I just can't see spending much money 
on an app that I won't get any return from, even if it's just the $75 
one-year certificate. I have myself run so-called untrusted Windows apps 
and I'm hoping most people do what I do: trust their virus software and 
click "Continue".

Bill, I hope you do write up the code-signing process though. Eventually 
we'll all need to do it and anything you can provide will help. I was 
reading the requirements and if the cost hadn't put me off, the 
procedure certainly would. It's complex and ugly.

I understand why MS needs to do this, given the tremendous amount of 
malware aimed at that OS, but I feel abused by it and I want to be mad 
at somebody -- only there isn't anyone to be angry at. Microsoft for 
allowing the situation in the first place? That's blood under the 
bridge. The malware authors who took advantage of the situation? It 
would happen on any OS. I suppose I could holler at my husband, he's 
pretty used to it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 14:46:51 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:46:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <4D2FBF54.1010308@eml.cc>
References: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTimJpzvuh8b9TZFXSx_SvX90hMJfbNwdSkfA5FKn@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc>
	<180747798968.20110113185932@ahsoftware.net>
	<4D2FBF54.1010308@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <1295034411349-3218262.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Calvin,

Congratulations for this first version of your application! :-D

I noticed that you wrote in this page:
http://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=23881.0

"Attention: If anyone who is fluent in foreign language would be
interested in making a non-English version, I would be happy to
discuss it. Children everywhere should know how to grow things!"

If I send you an spanish translation, would you create an
spanish version?

By the way, I do not understand your answer to my question:
"Did you created a flowchart for this application?".

Thanks in advance!

Alejandro

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From cjw at eml.cc  Fri Jan 14 14:53:09 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:53:09 -0600
Subject: Windows code signing and *Sales*
In-Reply-To: <0DB5AD31-FC4F-4668-A973-2CDEC530501D@twft.com>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
	<0DB5AD31-FC4F-4668-A973-2CDEC530501D@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D30A9A5.70507@eml.cc>

Hello Product Developers,

I think I'll jump in here...

Why not just open your own store?  Yes, it is slow starting out, but 
word-of-mouth is the best advertising around.  Do a spread sheet and see 
if the lack of income in the beginning would be made up for once you 
start getting some sales where *YOU* keep all the profit.

As far as advertising goes...

<> Create useful utilities with your own particular personality for the 
genre you are targeting as freeware with subtle connections to your, 
more advanced offerings.

<> Sell some items on eBay, craigslist, etc. and include pictures that 
have "www.mygreatproducts.com" in text at the bottom of the pic.  Be 
creative! [PS - Please forgive my ignorance of venues beyond the USA.]

<> After setting up your store, sign up and be somewhat active on forums 
in your genre.  Include simple links in your signatures. (Make sure it 
isn't against the rules.)  :)

<> Enter into "handshake agreements" with other developers here that 
have their own stores and symbiotically put links to their stores on 
your page and visa-versa.

<> [Place your creative selling technique here.]

This is my marketing scheme, unfortunately all of our businesses are 
being developed.  We *will* be operational and viable by summertime, so 
I guess check back with me in a year.  :)

Hope this inspires someone?  (If it does, please post back with your own 
ideas! :)

Fair winds,
Calvin



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 14 15:00:40 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:00:40 -0600
Subject: a help ..
In-Reply-To: <12d859baaa3.baccheschi@tin.it>
References: <12d859baaa3.baccheschi@tin.it>
Message-ID: <4D30AB68.5090001@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/14/11 11:38 AM, baccheschi at tin.it wrote:
> i am at the beginning....... p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;
> font: 12.0px Helvetica} p.p2 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font:
> 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px} p.p3 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px
> 0.0px; font: 12.0px Arial} p.p4 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;
> font: 12.0px Arial; min-height: 14.0px} span.s1 {font: 12.0px Arial}
>
>
>
> i would like to "manage" the "About This Application" menu item I
> tried to do somthing with Menu builder,  but in a StandAlone
> appllication nothing goes as i would
>
>
> If  somebody may give me indications i'll be infinitely grateful to
> him

Can you explain more about what you want to do? I don't understand why 
you have css, or how css should apply to an About box.

Your About box should be a substack of the main app stack. Place text 
fields, images, or other controls in it. Then show that stack when a 
user chooses "About" from the application menu.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bvlahos at mac.com  Fri Jan 14 15:05:23 2011
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:05:23 -0800
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <0655E4D6-2391-4AD9-A0F4-5A88C7130F11@twft.com>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
	<0655E4D6-2391-4AD9-A0F4-5A88C7130F11@twft.com>
Message-ID: <514CEA9C-4CF9-4FB9-A1EE-492A7C92610D@mac.com>

The renewal is for the ability to sign apps. Once an executable is signed it is signed forever. 

If you make a new standalone that will need to be signed. 

Bill

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 14, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> Whoa a one time fee? I thought the certificate was a one year certificate?
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> 
>>> This is one of the reasons we did not switch to Vista or Windows 7.
>>> In XP signing was optional. In Vista and 7 it is mandatory. This is
>>> akin to malware infecting your computer and then charging you for a
>>> utility to "fix" it. It's only slightly better in that it will run
>>> without continually nagging you and getting in your way. But it's
>>> still an abominable practice.
>> 
>> Personally, I think that's one of the thing MS did well.
>> 
>> Security is a real issue on all OSes, and this provide one way to certify that an app is what it says it is for just a one-time fee, without having to give up 30% of your annual income to the OS vendor in perpetuity. ;)
>> 
>> I wish that was an option for OS X as well.
>> 
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan 14 15:08:30 2011
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:08:30 -0500
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <514CEA9C-4CF9-4FB9-A1EE-492A7C92610D@mac.com>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
	<0655E4D6-2391-4AD9-A0F4-5A88C7130F11@twft.com>
	<514CEA9C-4CF9-4FB9-A1EE-492A7C92610D@mac.com>
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On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:

> The renewal is for the ability to sign apps. Once an executable is signed
> it is signed forever.
>

One caveat - It is signed forever as long as you use the timestamp server.
If you forget to do that during the code signing process then the app
expires when your certificate does.

-- 

Trevor DeVore

Blue Mango Learning Systems

ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com

LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan 14 15:08:48 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:08:48 -0800
Subject: Windows code signing
Message-ID: <4D30AD50.5090006@fourthworld.com>

Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Richard Gaskin
> <ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:
>
>> Security is a real issue on all OSes, and this provide one way to certify
>> that an app is what it says it is for just a one-time fee, without having to
>> give up 30% of your annual income to the OS vendor in perpetuity. ;)
>>
>
> It is actually more than a one-time fee. You need to renew your certificate
> every year if you want to keep signing applications (I just had to renew
> mine).

Yes, it's once per year/two years/three years, whichever you choose. 
Rather like Apple's annual developer program fee.

But it's not 30% each time you make a sale. ;)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From cjw at eml.cc  Fri Jan 14 15:14:26 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:14:26 -0600
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <1295034411349-3218262.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc>	<AANLkTimJpzvuh8b9TZFXSx_SvX90hMJfbNwdSkfA5FKn@mail.gmail.com>	<4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc>	<180747798968.20110113185932@ahsoftware.net>	<4D2FBF54.1010308@eml.cc>
	<1295034411349-3218262.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4D30AEA2.9090709@eml.cc>

Hi Alejandro,

Thank you for trying it out and I am glad you liked it.

Yes, I would be very happy to collaborate on this, but let's hold off 
until I get "VeggieSquares" to v.1.00.  When the time comes, I can send 
you all the related text{?} files for you to translate.  Be advised the 
existing text is *not* what the final text will look like.  You can 
expect us to move forward with the Spanish version immediately after I 
post v.1.00, but I'll give you a heads-up when the time comes.  I have 
this on my list.

On the flowchart question... I have not created a full and complete 
flowchart.  I have only made some "doodles" here and there to work out 
some logic.

Fair winds,
Calvin

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Alejandro Tejada <mailto:capellan2000 at gmail.com>
> Friday, January 14, 2011 1:46 PM
>
>
> Hi Calvin,
>
> Congratulations for this first version of your application! :-D
>
> I noticed that you wrote in this page:
> http://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=23881.0
>
> "Attention: If anyone who is fluent in foreign language would be
> interested in making a non-English version, I would be happy to
> discuss it. Children everywhere should know how to grow things!"
>
> If I send you an spanish translation, would you create an
> spanish version?
>
> By the way, I do not understand your answer to my question:
> "Did you created a flowchart for this application?".
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Alejandro
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Calvin Waterbury <mailto:cjw at eml.cc>
> Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:13 PM
>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Thanks for the reply.  Unfortunately, I can't wait.  I have an app out 
> there right now.  Someone migrated my BASIC code to LiveCode and 
> compiled it to get it up before a deadline.  The app seems to be well 
> received, so I don't want to mess up the reception with the nag 
> screens the Personal License applies.
> FYI - Oddly, at this time, cash flow is not an issue, so getting the 
> commercial license would not be a problem.  I am not in a hurry, even 
> though I *really* am!
>
> FYI - Here is the link to the app.  I call it, "VeggieSquares."  It is 
> in a pre-release version, so don't look at it too close.
>
> http://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=23881.msg216792#msg216792 
>
>
> Fair winds,
> Calvin



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan 14 15:14:39 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:14:39 -0800
Subject: Windows code signing
Message-ID: <4D30AEAF.9070503@fourthworld.com>

David C. wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>>>  If you want to compensate for what Apple charges to retail your products,
>>> simply charge 30% more for it.
>>
>> Bob

More than a few are considering it, or dropping features in the App 
Store version and offering a more attractive "pro" version at their site.

I'm seeing some very creative strategies for paying that tax.


> ...or tell Apple and/or the visionary Mr. Jobs to mind his/their own
> business, continuing to do what developers have done for the last 30
> years that was working very well. ;-)
>
> App Store: Completely unnecessary, innovation stifling and just plain
> abusive toward third party developers.

"Unnecessary" depends on your goals.

Personally, I've enjoyed getting software for my Mac from the web, even 
though it's far less secure than how Android users get software (Mac 
apps don't disclose the range of things they'll do on your system).

But iOS has changed expectations among a large segment of Apple's 
customers, so that today a great many of them would prefer a completely 
curated experience in order to feel more secure.

You and I may feel differently, and I would enjoy having the option of 
using signed apps as we can on Windows, but iOS customers have spoken, 
loudly and clearly, so we can expect that part of the iOS experience to 
come "back to the Mac" in due time.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Fri Jan 14 15:14:45 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:14:45 +0000
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <5770C96E-D2A8-4C0F-BD4B-299125286E32@twft.com>
References: <C955D8A1.50282%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4D30A2B6.7040900@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5770C96E-D2A8-4C0F-BD4B-299125286E32@twft.com>
Message-ID: <B5408128-A5EC-4DA1-ADBD-D31E70E3D0CA@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

...you already have it installed, Neo.

...the Matrix has you.

On 14 Jan 2011, at 19:31, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I wonder if we could make this work for some kind of mind control stack...
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2011, at 11:23 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> On 1/14/11 12:40 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>> Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I finally got around to taking a look. Nice job. In fact, I accidentally
>>>> discovered "synchrate"** which I never knew existed. :)
>>> 
>>> And blinkRate!  My blinkRate increased after reading about the synchRate.
>> 
>> Wow. Me either. Knowing you, it'll show up in some fancy stack you write next.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan 14 15:31:05 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:31:05 +0000
Subject: Required: shell scripting wizard!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimCMuAn9+KeaJjcE6bTC59HQCD8+4PmJwPeHLN3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimy+6yf+L6CS34HGcJQAiDiPH8bG=+cwLh55BN6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinK39_XvpFbO_sC=TQnRbd=PnVgCMxyM+RJ-wWH@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimguaCoKS5y1Tk0HQ9o0_wcv9-RRS8F-wUndDh9@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimCMuAn9+KeaJjcE6bTC59HQCD8+4PmJwPeHLN3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=kTEPQUxe_L8gKmX4u-H0dLh6RqbDHxTCx=xr6@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmm... I wander if simply polling for an environmental variable change will
work. In the current case I know that LiveCode is open - I just want the
external command line program to redirect the browser call back to Livecode
and not open up another browser.

On 14 January 2011 16:11, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ah. Maybe a plugin thats set to start with LC that listens to a socket?  Or
> checks an env variable ever so often, or a file for changes, or a
> combination of these such as hit a listening port in your plugin and check
> a
> file/var whatever.
>
> As for the multiple instances problem, if you go with the plugin route,
> could have it create a tmp file to indicate running status, delete it on
> close so you know whether to start up rev or not.


NB - on OSX you use "launch" rather than "start"....

Makes me think though is there any way to have a compiled Livecode app act
as a cli?


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan 14 15:41:35 2011
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:41:35 -0500
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <4D30AD50.5090006@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D30AD50.5090006@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinL2_JBekdaMJv4=BbOpOQhZF8o7K8PpcynkvhW@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

>
>> Yes, it's once per year/two years/three years, whichever you choose.
> Rather like Apple's annual developer program fee.
>
> But it's not 30% each time you make a sale. ;)


True, but Commodo isn't helping me sell my product to every mac user going
forward either :-)

Personally I don't think that 30% is a big deal. When pricing your software
you always take into account that you want to be able to have sales, offer
coupons, etc. and still make enough money for it to be worth it.

As much of a departure as the App Store is from what we are accustomed to as
developers, the reality is that the App Store is a really good experience
for the buyer. It is simple to use and it is easy to press that little "Buy"
button and have it charged to that credit card that Apple already has on
file.

Will the App Store be worth it for developers in the end? We will see. I
want to be in there to find out though.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com


From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 14 15:50:41 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:50:41 -0800
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=TgoP5nC79FBBNtitjMo4c_66yp988EKTt-iCo@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
	<0DB5AD31-FC4F-4668-A973-2CDEC530501D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=TgoP5nC79FBBNtitjMo4c_66yp988EKTt-iCo@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <418B67B7-44EF-43BD-90B2-215441AB9C17@twft.com>

Then developers won't use it, end users won't like it, and all will be well with the world. What's wrong with that? Steve Jobs is not FORCING people to sell their software this way. If he was, THEN you would have a gripe. You may as well complain that you can get food online now, instead of the "old model" of getting it in supermarkets, which worked perfectly well. 

Honestly, I don't get the angst. 

Bob


On Jan 14, 2011, at 11:33 AM, David C. wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>>> If you want to compensate for what Apple charges to retail your products,
>>> simply charge 30% more for it.
>> 
>> Bob
> 
> ...or tell Apple and/or the visionary Mr. Jobs to mind his/their own
> business, continuing to do what developers have done for the last 30
> years that was working very well. ;-)
> 
> App Store: Completely unnecessary, innovation stifling and just plain
> abusive toward third party developers.
> 
> Best regards,
> David C.
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 14 15:52:36 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:52:36 -0800
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <4D30A5FC.7070706@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
	<0655E4D6-2391-4AD9-A0F4-5A88C7130F11@twft.com>
	<4D30A5FC.7070706@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E3A1E41E-CB2C-4196-86E8-BBBFD7A8DD69@twft.com>

I bet he was hoping that Software Certification was going to take some heat off of himself!

Bob


On Jan 14, 2011, at 11:37 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I understand why MS needs to do this, given the tremendous amount of malware aimed at that OS, but I feel abused by it and I want to be mad at somebody -- only there isn't anyone to be angry at. Microsoft for allowing the situation in the first place? That's blood under the bridge. The malware authors who took advantage of the situation? It would happen on any OS. I suppose I could holler at my husband, he's pretty used to it.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From ray at linkit.com  Fri Jan 14 16:15:07 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:15:07 -0500
Subject: Printing and RevBrowser
Message-ID: <003501cbb430$1f6eb510$5e4c1f30$@LinkIt.Com>

Greetings,

Anybody know how to work this with 'open printing' or even better, with with
'open printing to PDF'?  My main goal is to suppress the print dialog window
for each call in a repeat loop to revBrowserPrint.

Thanks,

Ra Horsley
LinkIt! Software




From davidocoker at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 16:15:51 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:15:51 -0600
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <418B67B7-44EF-43BD-90B2-215441AB9C17@twft.com>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
	<0DB5AD31-FC4F-4668-A973-2CDEC530501D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=TgoP5nC79FBBNtitjMo4c_66yp988EKTt-iCo@mail.gmail.com>
	<418B67B7-44EF-43BD-90B2-215441AB9C17@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=wZe4Tk53Hh8+XsxOq3HyQUO_RWBB=NcMC5_hN@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> Then developers won't use it, end users won't like it, and all will be well with the world. What's wrong with that? Steve Jobs is not FORCING people to sell their software this way. If he was, THEN you would have a gripe. You may as well complain that you can get food online now, instead of the "old model" of getting it in supermarkets, which worked perfectly well.
>
> Honestly, I don't get the angst.
>
> Bob

Hey Bob,
I probably worded my reply "heavier" than it was actually intended...
...I just love as much freedom as possible, in all that I do.

Hopefully without stirring up a hornets nest, I'll add that I see very
little difference between Apple and Microsoft in terms of how they
treat their users in general. Although Apple has a much better (and
deserved) reputation overall, they are extremely "closed up" and
"walled in" in terms of the rights of the end user. That's you, I and
our neighbors.

The app store I see as little more than an additional battening down
of hatches, as in:

You WILL use OUR operating system on OUR hardware from OUR store from
OUR approved applications list, made available from OUR approved
developers... and you WILL like it.

I understand that the "user experience" is a huge draw for anything
Apple, but is that really worth having every detail in the process
dictated? Food for thought.


Best regards,
David C.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan 14 16:48:32 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:48:32 -0800
Subject: Windows code signing
Message-ID: <4D30C4B0.8060500@fourthworld.com>

Trevor DeVore wrote:
> Will the App Store be worth it for developers in the end? We will see. I
> want to be in there to find out though.

Me too.

Your question answers itself in the long view:  As the months become 
years, there will be no viable alternative for those who wish to include 
the Mac among the platforms they support.

As loyal to our Mac customers as they are to us, we will embrace the App 
Store as long as it provides a positive ROI, just as we've always tried 
to adhere to the HIG as much as practical.

Apple customers want a curated experience, so the App Store isn't going 
away; its role will only become more central.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 14 17:37:01 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:37:01 -0800
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=wZe4Tk53Hh8+XsxOq3HyQUO_RWBB=NcMC5_hN@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
	<0DB5AD31-FC4F-4668-A973-2CDEC530501D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=TgoP5nC79FBBNtitjMo4c_66yp988EKTt-iCo@mail.gmail.com>
	<418B67B7-44EF-43BD-90B2-215441AB9C17@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=wZe4Tk53Hh8+XsxOq3HyQUO_RWBB=NcMC5_hN@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <120FEDA7-4771-4DD8-A94C-49BD0B1E268C@twft.com>


On Jan 14, 2011, at 1:15 PM, David C. wrote:

> Hey Bob,
> I probably worded my reply "heavier" than it was actually intended...
> ...I just love as much freedom as possible, in all that I do.
No worries. I love freedom too, I just hate the freedom that those who write malware seem to feel they have. Actually, I have a whole list of people who are so bad that I think we should restrict their freedoms, but that is treading dangerously close to violating forum rules. And what about these forum rules? Pretty restrictive wouldn't you say? I think I should demand my rights to talk about Jesu... well never mind. I understand the need for restrictions. There's a time and place for everything, isn't there? 
> 
> Hopefully without stirring up a hornets nest, I'll add that I see very
> little difference between Apple and Microsoft in terms of how they
> treat their users in general. Although Apple has a much better (and
> deserved) reputation overall, they are extremely "closed up" and
> "walled in" in terms of the rights of the end user. That's you, I and
> our neighbors.
I'm an IT guy and I see a HUGE difference. Before there were Windows Updates, it was Microsoft's policy that security was the responsibility of the end user. It wasn't until the major public outcry that Microsoft decided to "help" us by trying to close up some of the security issues in their own OS. They in fact began to do some pretty hefty walling in of their own, because people demanded it. And the philosophy that things shouldn't be "walled in" would not have gone over well in ancient civilizations. Cities that were not "walled in" got "swallowed up" by the next tyrant who wanted to rule the world. 

Also, I am one of those guys who don't think anything is a "right" that isn't in the Constitution (only because we all agree to abide by it) (foreign citizens I apologize) or is spelled out in whatever form of contract we have made. In the words of a very good man, "While the money was in my hand, was it not mine to do with as I wished? I have not wronged you. Take your money and go your way." I can't tell you who said that or what parable it was, because that would violate forum rules. But I think He must have liked cheese...

> 
> The app store I see as little more than an additional battening down
> of hatches, as in:
> 
> You WILL use OUR operating system on OUR hardware from OUR store from
> OUR approved applications list, made available from OUR approved
> developers... and you WILL like it.
More like, "You CAN use OUR operating system on OUR hardware from OUR store from OUR approved applications list, made available from OUR approved developers, IF you like the look and feel of it and how things work, and if not you can still go to the local store and do it the old fashioned way. It's totally up to you." 

I think that a lot of issues in the world are drummed up by misrepresenting the position of the opponent, and then vilifying that opponent for maintaining that drummed up position. I know people who think I want to let old people die and I want to take over the world with the military simply because I am conservative. That is not the least bit fair to me and I resent it, but I cannot change their minds. It's too convenient for them to think the way they do about me. 

If you talk long and loud enough about what is "wrong" with someone else, most people will think that you must be on to something because they think you could not be that upset about something unless you know what you are talking about. So others don't bother to consider the position of the opponent, and so take sides thinking they have it right. In this way you can start whole movements, even cults, because people are basically intellectually lazy and don't want to take the time to think things through and try to see all points of view. The German people were perfectly happy to believe that Jews were trying to take over the world, because the people telling them so were also the ones making it possible for bread and milk to be on the table each night. 

I think you are misrepresenting Apple's position here. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Everyone still has a choice. Of all people, I don't think you can accuse the very liberal Steve Jobs of wanting to abolish freedom in regards to our choices in technology. He strikes me as someone who genuinely enjoys making cool things that other people like. People clearly like the App Store model, because inordinate amounts of money have been spent by consumers and wise developers have become hugely successful using this model. 
> 
> I understand that the "user experience" is a huge draw for anything
> Apple, but is that really worth having every detail in the process
> dictated? Food for thought.
Dictated? Again, that is pretty clearly a misrepresentation. I beg to differ. 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> David C.

Bob


From harald at etcpp.de  Fri Jan 14 18:19:43 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 00:19:43 +0100
Subject: Export Snapshot (iOS)
In-Reply-To: <120FEDA7-4771-4DD8-A94C-49BD0B1E268C@twft.com>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
	<0DB5AD31-FC4F-4668-A973-2CDEC530501D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=TgoP5nC79FBBNtitjMo4c_66yp988EKTt-iCo@mail.gmail.com>
	<418B67B7-44EF-43BD-90B2-215441AB9C17@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=wZe4Tk53Hh8+XsxOq3HyQUO_RWBB=NcMC5_hN@mail.gmail.com>
	<120FEDA7-4771-4DD8-A94C-49BD0B1E268C@twft.com>
Message-ID: <C53B3925-34D0-4032-9691-5A2DB9CA0703@etcpp.de>

Hi all.

In a script I want to export a screenshot to a file. This works fine and
without any problem until I leave the card, go to a special other card
and then turn back. Then the export fails and the script stops without
any info in "the result". This happens with JPEG and PNG, I tried both:

     export snapshot from this card to file <path> as jpeg

The path never changes, only the contents of the card change. The
export only fails (no matter what the card contains) when I visited this
special other card. Could this be a memory problem?

Any idea?

Best regards,
Harald.

| Harald M?ller (www.etcpp.de)
| Theodor-K?rner-Stra?e 4, 97072 W?rzburg
| Telefon + 49-[0]931-329090-42







From martyknapp at comcast.net  Fri Jan 14 19:03:28 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:03:28 -0800
Subject: Codesign Error (Mac)
In-Reply-To: <4D2E9D5C.8060008@comcast.net>
References: <4D2E9D5C.8060008@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4D30E450.9000008@comcast.net>

Well I've finally worked some things out, so thought I'd share them here 
to possibly spare someone else a trip to the Hair Loss Clinic.

My code signing issue had to do with my certificates. I went into 
Keychain and on my certificates from Apple I changed the "Trust" setting 
to "Use System Defaults." Thanks to Obleo Beck for helping me track this 
down.

BTW Obleo has just uploaded to Rev Online a new version of his Signing 
Assistant, which was sited in his recent Rev Newsletter article, 
"LiveCode Apps for Mac Store." It's now in stack form - check it out, 
it's a very handy utility. Much faster and much easier than a trip to 
the Terminal. It will sign your app, create the pkg file and sign it. 
It's the kind of app that Apple should provide for this.

In the "Certificate Name" field be sure to enter just the last part of 
the certificate name, not the whole "3rd Party Developer Application: " 
part.

I hope that helps someone out there.

Marty "My head sure is cold" Knapp
> This isn't strictly a LiveCode question but maybe someone here can 
> help . . .
>
> I'm trying to use the terminal to codesign an app for the Mac app 
> store and I'm getting an "identity not found" error. I have downloaded 
> and installed the WWDR intermediate certificate into KeyChain, 
> created, downloaded and installed the developer certificate into 
> KeyChain. I have also added to the plist file: 
> LSApplicationCategoryType public.app-category.productivity: Productivity
>
> I wasn't sure if I was supposed to add the whole category string, so I 
> also tried setting the category to just "Productivity."
>
> I have also added the proper CFBundleIdentifier
>
> I've Googled the error code "identity not found" and am not coming up 
> with much. Same on the Apple Dev support forum. I can't tell if this 
> is a certificate issue, a plist issue, or "I'm just stupid issue!" 
> Anybody wanna tell me where to go?
>



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan 14 19:10:23 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 00:10:23 +0000
Subject: Incrementing indexes or putting empty into an array
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=JTy6SjcwRmJSV0RzvKkx1CUFmd0Vq5iWi7apf@mail.gmail.com>

For a long time I've incremente indexes with a line_Add or line_Insert
function - now that I'm optimising things for release I've started doing the
following:

repeat for each line someLine in someText
  process someLine
  put empty into lineArray [someLine]
end repeat
put keys (lineArray) into unsortedindex

It's nice and convenient to write, but I wonder how fast it is...


From cjw at eml.cc  Fri Jan 14 19:29:59 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:29:59 -0600
Subject: Is this doable at a newbie level?
Message-ID: <4D30EA87.9090603@eml.cc>

Hi,

The below features list is for a small utility I *need* right now, but I 
can wait long enough to code it.  ;)

Please, resist the urge to whip out the code and post it.  I want to try 
something myself.  I *know* this can be done in LC.  What I am asking is 
if you think the following can be done by a newbie to LC?

Thanks, Calvin

PS - Don't go away... I may *need* you to "whip out" some syntax later!  
Here's the list...

Here is a list of requested features...

* "Always On Top" option
* Three Buttons.
     o Date
            o Time
            o Date and Time
             + The "Date and Time" button to include date, at least in 
this specific format, but others can be included...
                   "Nov 15, 2010 02:43 PM" (color only for reference, 
not needed in app.)
                   Please ask me for other formats, if you want to 
include them?

* Optional Radio buttons to select Date/Time formats *if* you have the 
time and inclination.  The Date & Time format above,"Nov 15, 2010 02:43 
PM," is my only immediate need.
     o "Date & Time"  Mmm DD, YYYY HH:MM AM (the same as the above exact 
example that is really the most important format.)
     o Another Date format MM/DD/YY (Example: 01/14/11)
     o Time format 1: HH:MM (24 Hr Clock)
     o Time format 2: HH:MM AM (12 Hr Clock)
     o YYYYMMDDHHSS  -  I use this to prefix file names as a simple date 
tagging system.

* It would be nice to be typing in a text editor and just click the 
"Insert Date" button and populate it in the document I am working on, 
but I can settle for sending it to the clipboard if that is all that can 
be done easily.

* Small footprint
     o Just big enough for the radio buttons (for the format selections) 
and the three "Date," Time" and "Date & Time" insertion buttons.
         o Menu in Right-Click menu, if easier.



From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 14 19:51:43 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 16:51:43 -0800
Subject: Is this doable at a newbie level?
In-Reply-To: <4D30EA87.9090603@eml.cc>
References: <4D30EA87.9090603@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <5D5829D8-8783-4ABB-9226-E8D5E05D5E41@twft.com>

If you look in the Dictionary, under date you will find several items, the date function, the dateFormat function, the datetime keyword, and the dateItems keyword. Also, if you look for clipboard you will find the clipBoardData property. 

Between all this and some experimentation you should be able to come up with a button that will take the current date and or time in whatever format you desire and set the clipBoardData to that. 

Note that setting properties is not the same syntax as creating or altering variables. You set a property using the set command. You alter variables by using the put into form. 

If you wanted to get really fancy, you could build an appleScript into a variable and then do as appleScript to query the system for the foreground application and then tell that application to paste after all that. But that's just for extra credit. 

Your stack should have it's systemWindow property set to true, but this will only float it above other LiveCode stacks. I don't think there is a way to make it float above every application in the OS, but I might be wrong there. 

I don't think this will take long for you to do if you try. Dropping the date/time into a selected field of another LiveCode stack would be easy. If you want to drop a date/time stack at the cursor of another application, that could prove more difficult. 

Bob


On Jan 14, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The below features list is for a small utility I *need* right now, but I can wait long enough to code it.  ;)
> 
> Please, resist the urge to whip out the code and post it.  I want to try something myself.  I *know* this can be done in LC.  What I am asking is if you think the following can be done by a newbie to LC?
> 
> Thanks, Calvin
> 
> PS - Don't go away... I may *need* you to "whip out" some syntax later!  Here's the list...
> 
> Here is a list of requested features...
> 
> * "Always On Top" option
> * Three Buttons.
>    o Date
>           o Time
>           o Date and Time
>            + The "Date and Time" button to include date, at least in this specific format, but others can be included...
>                  "Nov 15, 2010 02:43 PM" (color only for reference, not needed in app.)
>                  Please ask me for other formats, if you want to include them?
> 
> * Optional Radio buttons to select Date/Time formats *if* you have the time and inclination.  The Date & Time format above,"Nov 15, 2010 02:43 PM," is my only immediate need.
>    o "Date & Time"  Mmm DD, YYYY HH:MM AM (the same as the above exact example that is really the most important format.)
>    o Another Date format MM/DD/YY (Example: 01/14/11)
>    o Time format 1: HH:MM (24 Hr Clock)
>    o Time format 2: HH:MM AM (12 Hr Clock)
>    o YYYYMMDDHHSS  -  I use this to prefix file names as a simple date tagging system.
> 
> * It would be nice to be typing in a text editor and just click the "Insert Date" button and populate it in the document I am working on, but I can settle for sending it to the clipboard if that is all that can be done easily.
> 
> * Small footprint
>    o Just big enough for the radio buttons (for the format selections) and the three "Date," Time" and "Date & Time" insertion buttons.
>        o Menu in Right-Click menu, if easier.
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan 14 20:01:44 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:01:44 -0800
Subject: Is this doable at a newbie level?
Message-ID: <4D30F1F8.4030205@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > Your stack should have it's systemWindow property set to true, but
 > this will only float it above other LiveCode stacks. I don't think
 > there is a way to make it float above every application in the OS,
 > but I might be wrong there.

Floats above all windows, even those from other apps, in OS X, Windows, 
and Linux (at least on Ubuntu; haven't tested it elsewhere).

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From cjw at eml.cc  Fri Jan 14 20:06:43 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:06:43 -0600
Subject: Is this doable at a newbie level?
In-Reply-To: <5D5829D8-8783-4ABB-9226-E8D5E05D5E41@twft.com>
References: <4D30EA87.9090603@eml.cc>
	<5D5829D8-8783-4ABB-9226-E8D5E05D5E41@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D30F323.10009@eml.cc>

Hi Bob - See below...

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Bob Sneidar <mailto:bobs at twft.com>
> Friday, January 14, 2011 6:51 PM
>
>
> If you look in the Dictionary, under date you will find several items, 
> the date function, the dateFormat function, the datetime keyword, and 
> the dateItems keyword. Also, if you look for clipboard you will find 
> the clipBoardData property.
>
> Between all this and some experimentation you should be able to come 
> up with a button that will take the current date and or time in 
> whatever format you desire and set the clipBoardData to that.
I've already started the stack, complete with...

<> radio buttons for format selection
<> 3 buttons to enter "Date & Time," "Date" and "Time"
<> YYYY MM DD HH mm ss label fields, just to "see" the realtime values.
>
> Note that setting properties is not the same syntax as creating or 
> altering variables. You set a property using the set command. You 
> alter variables by using the put into form.
I may need some help with this, but let me struggle with it a little.  
I'll ask if I get stuck.
>
> If you wanted to get really fancy, you could build an appleScript into 
> a variable and then do as appleScript to query the system for the 
> foreground application and then tell that application to paste after 
> all that. But that's just for extra credit.
Actually, *this* is exactly what I want to do, but I'm on Windows 7.
>
> Your stack should have it's systemWindow property set to true, but 
> this will only float it above other LiveCode stacks. I don't think 
> there is a way to make it float above every application in the OS, but 
> I might be wrong there.
Hmmm... it needs to have the "Always On Top" option available, or I 
could try to program it into the Windows 7 Right-Click context menu, but 
that sounds advanced, I think?
>
> I don't think this will take long for you to do if you try. Dropping 
> the date/time into a selected field of another LiveCode stack would be 
> easy. If you want to drop a date/time stack at the cursor of another 
> application, that could prove more difficult.
>
> Bob
Again, the need to drop into the focused application is important, but 
I'll get it working on the clipboard usefulness first then move on to 
the next level.

Thanks for the reminder on the "Dictionary."  I'm going to have to 
create a new mantra for myself, "Look in the Dictionary, Look in the 
Dictionary, Look in the Dictionary,...."

Fair winds,
Calvin
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Calvin Waterbury <mailto:cjw at eml.cc>
> Friday, January 14, 2011 6:29 PM
>
>
> Hi,
>
> The below features list is for a small utility I *need* right now, but 
> I can wait long enough to code it.  ;)
>
> Please, resist the urge to whip out the code and post it.  I want to 
> try something myself.  I *know* this can be done in LC.  What I am 
> asking is if you think the following can be done by a newbie to LC?
>
> Thanks, Calvin
>
> PS - Don't go away... I may *need* you to "whip out" some syntax 
> later!  Here's the list...
>
> Here is a list of requested features...
>
> * "Always On Top" option
> * Three Buttons.
>     o Date
>            o Time
>            o Date and Time
>             + The "Date and Time" button to include date, at least in 
> this specific format, but others can be included...
>                   "Nov 15, 2010 02:43 PM" (color only for reference, 
> not needed in app.)
>                   Please ask me for other formats, if you want to 
> include them?
>
> * Optional Radio buttons to select Date/Time formats *if* you have the 
> time and inclination.  The Date & Time format above,"Nov 15, 2010 
> 02:43 PM," is my only immediate need.
>     o "Date & Time"  Mmm DD, YYYY HH:MM AM (the same as the above 
> exact example that is really the most important format.)
>     o Another Date format MM/DD/YY (Example: 01/14/11)
>     o Time format 1: HH:MM (24 Hr Clock)
>     o Time format 2: HH:MM AM (12 Hr Clock)
>     o YYYYMMDDHHSS  -  I use this to prefix file names as a simple 
> date tagging system.
>
> * It would be nice to be typing in a text editor and just click the 
> "Insert Date" button and populate it in the document I am working on, 
> but I can settle for sending it to the clipboard if that is all that 
> can be done easily.
>
> * Small footprint
>     o Just big enough for the radio buttons (for the format 
> selections) and the three "Date," Time" and "Date & Time" insertion 
> buttons.
>         o Menu in Right-Click menu, if easier.



From cjw at eml.cc  Fri Jan 14 20:09:02 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:09:02 -0600
Subject: Is this doable at a newbie level?
In-Reply-To: <4D30F1F8.4030205@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D30F1F8.4030205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4D30F3AE.9020600@eml.cc>

Great!  Another item off my todo list!

Thanks, Richard!
Calvin

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Richard Gaskin <mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> Friday, January 14, 2011 7:01 PM
>
>
> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
> > Your stack should have it's systemWindow property set to true, but
> > this will only float it above other LiveCode stacks. I don't think
> > there is a way to make it float above every application in the OS,
> > but I might be wrong there.
>
> Floats above all windows, even those from other apps, in OS X, 
> Windows, and Linux (at least on Ubuntu; haven't tested it elsewhere).
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>
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From cjw at eml.cc  Fri Jan 14 20:14:40 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:14:40 -0600
Subject: Any Convention on Naming Conventions?
Message-ID: <4D30F500.1050302@eml.cc>

Hello,

I have spent some time perusing the articles on "Naming Conventions," 
but I did not discover anything about mutual agreement on the subject 
(maybe I missed it?).

Is there any universally accepted and agreed on "Naming Convention" I 
should adopt?

Thank you,
Calvin



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 20:33:03 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:33:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <4D309744.9030005@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C4AA894F-D58A-4D61-944E-124EC24BC2B2@earthlink.net>
	<4D309744.9030005@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1295055183709-3218624.post@n4.nabble.com>


Really nice! :-)

I downloaded it from this page:
http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/537/Dictionary-Random-Picks

Alejandro
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 14 20:36:50 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:36:50 -0800
Subject: Any Convention on Naming Conventions?
In-Reply-To: <4D30F500.1050302@eml.cc>
References: <4D30F500.1050302@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <7551480B-1ED3-4607-8AAF-DCD79EB523EE@twft.com>

Everyone has their own. I name variables beginning with the, as in theSQL, but others will tell you this is bad practice because if I put a space between the and everything else, LiveCode will think I am talking about a property! DOH! I'm a bad, bad programmer. SBT Accounting used to have all variables begin with m (for Memory I guess), arrays began with a, global variables began with m0 (or a0 for global arrays) etc. 

Besides that, I preface data grids with dg, groups with grp, labels with lbl, data fields with fld, buttons with btn, etc. Why you ask? Because the Application Browser sorts by name, and this way I can have all my like objects sorted together whilst still maintaining the tree format it uses. Also, when searching, I can find all references to buttons by searching my scripts for btn. 

I also try to make it a habit to enclose object names in quotes. It isn't strictly necessary, as LiveCode is very forgiving in this respect, but it avoids any conflicts and actually makes it a bit easier to distinguish variables from object names in my code. 

Bob


On Jan 14, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have spent some time perusing the articles on "Naming Conventions," but I did not discover anything about mutual agreement on the subject (maybe I missed it?).
> 
> Is there any universally accepted and agreed on "Naming Convention" I should adopt?
> 
> Thank you,
> Calvin
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 14 20:40:17 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:40:17 -0800
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <1295055183709-3218624.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <C4AA894F-D58A-4D61-944E-124EC24BC2B2@earthlink.net>
	<4D309744.9030005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1295055183709-3218624.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <664470F5-2FB5-4946-80B7-925F20D77B4B@twft.com>

Wow! I just discovered the "if" command! What a powerful thing this is! Why this opens up a whole new world of possibil... ok none of you are buying this are you?

Bob


On Jan 14, 2011, at 5:33 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> 
> Really nice! :-)
> 
> I downloaded it from this page:
> http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/537/Dictionary-Random-Picks
> 
> Alejandro
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From cjw at eml.cc  Fri Jan 14 20:49:06 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:49:06 -0600
Subject: No Check Box in the Dictionary??
Message-ID: <4D30FD12.204@eml.cc>

Hi,

I don't mean to be picky, but neither "checkbox" nor "check box" is in 
the dictionary.  If I missed something, please tell me?

FYI - I only have access to the trial version.

Fair winds,
Calvin



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 20:53:32 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:53:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <664470F5-2FB5-4946-80B7-925F20D77B4B@twft.com>
References: <C4AA894F-D58A-4D61-944E-124EC24BC2B2@earthlink.net>
	<4D309744.9030005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1295055183709-3218624.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<664470F5-2FB5-4946-80B7-925F20D77B4B@twft.com>
Message-ID: <1295056412118-3218643.post@n4.nabble.com>


Bob, many programs shows, at start up
a Window with Tips and Tricks.

A window that shows a random page
of the dictionary is fine too, at least
from my point of view. :-)

Al

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 14 20:54:07 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:54:07 -0800
Subject: Any Convention on Naming Conventions?
In-Reply-To: <4D30F500.1050302@eml.cc>
References: <4D30F500.1050302@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <172830274593.20110114175407@ahsoftware.net>

Calvin-

Friday, January 14, 2011, 5:14:40 PM, you wrote:

> Hello,

> I have spent some time perusing the articles on "Naming Conventions,"
> but I did not discover anything about mutual agreement on the subject
> (maybe I missed it?).

> Is there any universally accepted and agreed on "Naming Convention" I
> should adopt?

Some weekend reading for you:

http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html
http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 14 20:57:06 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:57:06 -0800
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <C955D8A1.50282%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C955D8A1.50282%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <183830453671.20110114175706@ahsoftware.net>

Scott-

Friday, January 14, 2011, 10:40:33 AM, you wrote:

> Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:

>> I finally got around to taking a look. Nice job. In fact, I accidentally
>> discovered "synchrate"** which I never knew existed. :)

> And blinkRate!  My blinkRate increased after reading about the synchRate.

I thought you were kidding about this, so I looked it up. And the
blinkrate should be a multiple of the idleRate. I didn't realize you
could change that either.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From cjw at eml.cc  Fri Jan 14 21:01:07 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:01:07 -0600
Subject: Any Convention on Naming Conventions?
In-Reply-To: <172830274593.20110114175407@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4D30F500.1050302@eml.cc>
	<172830274593.20110114175407@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4D30FFE3.5050505@eml.cc>

Hey Mark,

Thanks!  I had already read the first one, courtesy of David C., but the 
second link is fresh territory!

@Richard - Nice!

Fair winds,
Calvin

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Mark Wieder <mailto:mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> Friday, January 14, 2011 7:54 PM
>
>
> Calvin-
>
> Friday, January 14, 2011, 5:14:40 PM, you wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>
>> I have spent some time perusing the articles on "Naming Conventions,"
>> but I did not discover anything about mutual agreement on the subject
>> (maybe I missed it?).
>
>> Is there any universally accepted and agreed on "Naming Convention" I
>> should adopt?
>
> Some weekend reading for you:
>
> http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html
> http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Calvin Waterbury <mailto:cjw at eml.cc>
> Friday, January 14, 2011 7:14 PM
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have spent some time perusing the articles on "Naming Conventions," 
> but I did not discover anything about mutual agreement on the subject 
> (maybe I missed it?).
>
> Is there any universally accepted and agreed on "Naming Convention" I 
> should adopt?
>
> Thank you,
> Calvin



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri Jan 14 21:33:30 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:33:30 -0800
Subject: No Check Box in the Dictionary??
In-Reply-To: <4D30FD12.204@eml.cc>
References: <4D30FD12.204@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <4D31077A.4010406@pdslabs.net>

Look at "style" - it's a button style.
Phil


On 1/14/11 5:49 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't mean to be picky, but neither "checkbox" nor "check box" is in the 
> dictionary.  If I missed something, please tell me?
>
> FYI - I only have access to the trial version.
>
> Fair winds,
> Calvin
>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jan 14 21:37:15 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:37:15 -0800
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <183830453671.20110114175706@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C956485B.502E1%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Friday, January 14, 2011, 10:40:33 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>>> I finally got around to taking a look. Nice job. In fact, I accidentally
>>> discovered "synchrate"** which I never knew existed. :)
> 
>> And blinkRate!  My blinkRate increased after reading about the synchRate.
> 
> I thought you were kidding about this, so I looked it up. And the
> blinkrate should be a multiple of the idleRate. I didn't realize you
> could change that either.

Along with the moveRate, how many "rates" are there?

There should be a berRate -- how often the engine gets mad at you when you
do something wrong.

Wondering now if there's a rateRate hidden in there...

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 14 21:39:55 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:39:55 -0600
Subject: Is this doable at a newbie level?
In-Reply-To: <4D30F323.10009@eml.cc>
References: <4D30EA87.9090603@eml.cc>	<5D5829D8-8783-4ABB-9226-E8D5E05D5E41@twft.com>
	<4D30F323.10009@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <4D3108FB.5010703@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/14/11 7:06 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:
>
> Hmmm... it needs to have the "Always On Top" option available, or I
> could try to program it into the Windows 7 Right-Click context menu, but
> that sounds advanced, I think?

I think you already have a lead on the "always on top" part, but I just 
wanted to add that setting up a right-click behavior is very easy. 
Setting up a whole right-click menu is a little more work, but if all 
you want to do is see if a button press was a right-click, it's all 
built in.

The mouseup message provides a parameter that tells you which mouse 
button was down when it was clicked.

BTW, I think this is a great first project.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 14 21:49:45 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:49:45 -0600
Subject: No Check Box in the Dictionary??
In-Reply-To: <4D30FD12.204@eml.cc>
References: <4D30FD12.204@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <4D310B49.1040009@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/14/11 7:49 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't mean to be picky, but neither "checkbox" nor "check box" is in
> the dictionary. If I missed something, please tell me?

It isn't obvious. Those are button styles, so search for "style", though 
that won't tell you too much. Anything in particular you wanted to know 
about them?

While the tool palette makes the different button styles look like 
different objects, they're really just variations of the basic button 
object but with different properties set. (Same for fields and 
scrollbars.) The tool palette is more of a shortcut device so you don't 
have to set all the properties yourself. You can change any kind of 
button into any other kind by changing its properties, though the 
inspector doesn't always let you do that (forcing you to use the message 
box instead.) The inspectors reinforce the concept of different kinds of 
buttons, rather than a single button object with different properties.

So, checkboxes and radio buttons are very much the same object, respond 
to the same commands and events, and really the only difference in this 
case is how their hilites are drawn -- which you don't need to worry 
about because the engine does that.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 14 22:11:07 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:11:07 -0600
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <C956485B.502E1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C956485B.502E1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4D31104B.2050501@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/14/11 8:37 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> Friday, January 14, 2011, 10:40:33 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>> Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:
>>
>>>> I finally got around to taking a look. Nice job. In fact, I accidentally
>>>> discovered "synchrate"** which I never knew existed. :)
>>
>>> And blinkRate!  My blinkRate increased after reading about the synchRate.
>>
>> I thought you were kidding about this, so I looked it up. And the
>> blinkrate should be a multiple of the idleRate. I didn't realize you
>> could change that either.
>
> Along with the moveRate, how many "rates" are there?
>
> There should be a berRate -- how often the engine gets mad at you when you
> do something wrong.

HyperCard had an error message that said, "Script too silly to execute". 
No, really. It did.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 14 23:43:12 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:43:12 -0800
Subject: Global in debugger redux
In-Reply-To: <69c8f.2948e131.3a61b99a@aol.com>
References: <69c8f.2948e131.3a61b99a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <64840419359.20110114204312@ahsoftware.net>

Craig-

Friday, January 14, 2011, 6:37:14 AM, you wrote:

> Is there a document somewhere that, like the dictionary, explains these UI
> variables?

Ho - then they wouldn't be undocumented, would they? Gotta have *some*
secrets. <g>

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From alessandro at system-ini.it  Sat Jan 15 03:42:37 2011
From: alessandro at system-ini.it (Alessandro Pisoni)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:42:37 +0100
Subject: Sqlite connection problem
Message-ID: <092DD45A-ED2A-4182-BAB7-20AB1A7ED483@system-ini.it>

I have serius connection problem with my database sqlite.

my code is this:

on mouseUp
  put tAppPath() & "GestPres.db" into tDB
  put revOpenDatabase("sqlite",tDB,,,,,) into mydb
  revCloseDatabase mydb
end mouseUp


function tAppPath
  put effective filename of this stack into tFilename
  set itemdel to "/"
  if the platform = "MacOS" AND the environment <> "development" then
  ##!!
     delete item -4 to -1 of tFileName
    ## MacApp.app/Contents/MacOS/Standalonestack
  else
    delete item 1 of tFileName
  end if
   return tFilename & "/"
end tAppPath


this is the error:

Database error:Unable to open the database file

I have created the db with Sqlite Manger . I open the db with the Sqlite Manager.

thanks






Cordiali Saluti
Alessandro Pisoni


System.ini di Pisoni Alessandro
Via Grandi,5
20062 Cassano d'Adda (MI)
Tel 0363-361487 Fax 1782260060 Cell. 335440150
email:info at system-ini.it
www.system-ini.it






From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 03:50:25 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:50:25 +0200
Subject: [OT] HIG & Free books.
Message-ID: <4D315FD1.3030009@gmail.com>

After 12 hours straight sleep I feel human again; the compounded effects
of wrestling with bucketloads of Beta-tester feedback on my Devawriter 
Pro and
teaching from 8 am to 6.30 pm were getting "a bit much".

However, as I, phoenix-like, arise from the ashes; I am inevitably 
spitting my
usual fire, so, during a walk over to a local hotel to cheer on some of my
pupils in a chess olympiad I started musing about LIvecode and Human 
Interface
Guidelines (HIG) and, on returning, found these:

Windows;  
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=e49820cb-954d-45ae-9cb3-1b9e8ea7fe8c  
(PDF)

Macintosh;  
http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGIntro/XHIGIntro.html

GNOME;  http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/

KDE;  http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG

OLPC;  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines

ECLIPSE;  http://wiki.eclipse.org/User_Interface_Guidelines

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Kaplan seem to be giving away books about the iOS HIG until 17 January; 
time to
shift oneself pretty quickly . . .  :)

http://www.pupuweb.com/blog/search/ibook-ios-hig/

Love, Richmond.


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sat Jan 15 06:10:59 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 12:10:59 +0100
Subject: Sqlite connection problem
In-Reply-To: <092DD45A-ED2A-4182-BAB7-20AB1A7ED483@system-ini.it>
References: <092DD45A-ED2A-4182-BAB7-20AB1A7ED483@system-ini.it>
Message-ID: <55EDAAB5-8B3C-4785-A535-F770E0CE00AF@major.on-rev.com>

Buongiorno Alessandro,

> I have serius connection problem with my database sqlite.
> 
> my code is this:
> 
> on mouseUp
>  put tAppPath() & "GestPres.db" into tDB
>  put revOpenDatabase("sqlite",tDB,,,,,) into mydb
>  revCloseDatabase mydb
> end mouseUp
> 
> function tAppPath
>  put effective filename of this stack into tFilename
>  set itemdel to "/"
>  if the platform = "MacOS" AND the environment <> "development" then
>  ##!!
>     delete item -4 to -1 of tFileName
>    ## MacApp.app/Contents/MacOS/Standalonestack
>  else
>    delete item 1 of tFileName
>  end if
>   return tFilename & "/"
> end tAppPath
> 
> this is the error:
> Database error:Unable to open the database file
> I have created the db with Sqlite Manger . I open the db with the Sqlite Manager.

Does the current user of your standalone have ADMIN rights?
Only users with ADMIN privileges are allowed to WRITE in the application folder!

> thanks
> 
> 
> Cordiali Saluti
> Alessandro Pisoni

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From harald at etcpp.de  Sat Jan 15 06:13:37 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 12:13:37 +0100
Subject: different screen resolutions (iOS)
In-Reply-To: <C53B3925-34D0-4032-9691-5A2DB9CA0703@etcpp.de>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
	<0DB5AD31-FC4F-4668-A973-2CDEC530501D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=TgoP5nC79FBBNtitjMo4c_66yp988EKTt-iCo@mail.gmail.com>
	<418B67B7-44EF-43BD-90B2-215441AB9C17@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=wZe4Tk53Hh8+XsxOq3HyQUO_RWBB=NcMC5_hN@mail.gmail.com>
	<120FEDA7-4771-4DD8-A94C-49BD0B1E268C@twft.com>
	<C53B3925-34D0-4032-9691-5A2DB9CA0703@etcpp.de>
Message-ID: <4BCC3CD9-D261-42AF-BF97-565062E74B6C@etcpp.de>

With the upcoming iPad 2 and its once again new screen resolution it will be more difficult to support all devices. As it looks there will be two "logical" resolutions each with two "physical" resolutions on the iOS, perhaps more to come.

As far as I know it is much easier to support those differing "physical" resolutions with the syntax "@2x" for high resolution graphics which will be used when the screen is a retina display. If Apple also doubles in "physical" resolution of the iPad 2 the technic to support this new resolution would be the same.

When I think about handling all this with LiveCode (which i love) and the need to make so many different versions I would like to have a "tool" or something which automates this. Thought about use all shown graphics via functions which do the same "@2x"-thing. Haven't found out yet how I could make a clean "double the whole stack in size" without visual or logical errors (text sizes, perfect element positions and so on).

Wouldn't it be a good idea to make a tool or bundle of functions which handle this "doubling of resolution"? How are you all handling this? 

Best regards,
Harald.

| Harald M?ller (www.etcpp.de)
| Theodor-K?rner-Stra?e 4, 97072 W?rzburg
| Telefon + 49-[0]931-329090-42


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 15 09:09:40 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 06:09:40 -0800
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
Message-ID: <4D31AAA4.7080402@fourthworld.com>

Jacque wrote:
 > HyperCard had an error message that said, "Script too silly to
 > execute".
 > No, really. It did.

What would trigger that?  I want to submit a feature request to add that. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From coiin at verizon.net  Sat Jan 15 09:15:36 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:15:36 -0500
Subject: different screen resolutions (iOS)
In-Reply-To: <4BCC3CD9-D261-42AF-BF97-565062E74B6C@etcpp.de>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
	<0DB5AD31-FC4F-4668-A973-2CDEC530501D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=TgoP5nC79FBBNtitjMo4c_66yp988EKTt-iCo@mail.gmail.com>
	<418B67B7-44EF-43BD-90B2-215441AB9C17@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=wZe4Tk53Hh8+XsxOq3HyQUO_RWBB=NcMC5_hN@mail.gmail.com>
	<120FEDA7-4771-4DD8-A94C-49BD0B1E268C@twft.com>
	<C53B3925-34D0-4032-9691-5A2DB9CA0703@etcpp.de>
	<4BCC3CD9-D261-42AF-BF97-565062E74B6C@etcpp.de>
Message-ID: <D0DEF554-1B42-4AFC-BA7E-5768967F8338@verizon.net>


On Jan 15, 2011, at 6:13 AM, Harald M?ller wrote:

> With the upcoming iPad 2 and its once again new screen resolution it will be more difficult to support all devices. As it looks there will be two "logical" resolutions each with two "physical" resolutions on the iOS, perhaps more to come.

Can you point to the specifications page, where they say that the resolution is different? This article here:

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/new-in-ios-4.3-the-full-breakdown-with-screenshots/

looks at the various art inside iOS 4.3, and that art suggests that the new iPad would be the same resolution as the current one.

About your overall point of dealing with different screen sizes, there are a few difficulties. With Flash I do use the kind of approach you're suggesting, where my single sized iPhone stage gets scaled up to fill the iPad screen, but there are a good amount of hoops I have to jump through to make sure that the quality remains good.

The larger screen size isn't as big a problem as the different aspect ratios. In Flash I get away with it by having extra content above and below the stage, and when it's blown up to fill the iPad, that extra content becomes visible. With LC, so far at least, the content seems to be aligned top left. That could work out ok, if you have bitmap versions of the different size backgrounds you could jump to the card that has the corresponding sized art, and button layout, etc. With that way of working you could take care of 480x320, 1024x768, and the other device sizes of 800x480 and 1024x600. Any time you learn about a new screen size that you want to support you would need to make a card, or cards, that are laid out for that new size. Or you might be able to do a lot of the work using code.







From baccheschi at tin.it  Sat Jan 15 09:37:27 2011
From: baccheschi at tin.it (baccheschi at tin.it)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:37:27 +0100 (CET)
Subject: R: Re: a help ..
Message-ID: <12d8a1c02d3.baccheschi@tin.it>





----Messaggio originale----
Da: jacque at hyperactivesw.com
Data: 14-gen-2011 21.00
A: "How to use LiveCode"<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Ogg: Re: a help ..

On 1/14/11 11:38 AM, baccheschi at tin.it wrote:
> i am at the beginning....... p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;
> font: 12.0px Helvetica} p.p2 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font:
> 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px} p.p3 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px
> 0.0px; font: 12.0px Arial} p.p4 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;
> font: 12.0px Arial; min-height: 14.0px} span.s1 {font: 12.0px Arial}
>
>
>
> i would like to "manage" the "About This Application" menu item I
> tried to do somthing with Menu builder,  but in a StandAlone
> appllication nothing goes as i would
>
>
> If  somebody may give me indications i'll be infinitely grateful to
> him

Can you explain more about what you want to do? I don't understand why 
you have css, or how css should apply to an About box.

Your About box should be a substack of the main app stack. Place text 
fields, images, or other controls in it. Then show that stack when a 
user chooses "About" from the application menu.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica}



the question is  how realize that an user chooses "About" from the application menu....


 

From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jan 15 09:42:49 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:42:49 -0400
Subject: LiveCode Newbie questions
In-Reply-To: <4D30AEA2.9090709@eml.cc>
References: <4D2F7252.6070208@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTimJpzvuh8b9TZFXSx_SvX90hMJfbNwdSkfA5FKn@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D2F7730.9020200@eml.cc>
	<180747798968.20110113185932@ahsoftware.net>
	<4D2FBF54.1010308@eml.cc>
	<1295034411349-3218262.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4D30AEA2.9090709@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikodwAwvxOXajcxYA3k+TSNum06x8yU0zqMXuo9@mail.gmail.com>

I just tried to "make an application" from my program that I've been working
on and using for the last seven or eight years. I'm on Mac OS. I was
surprised to find out that the application it created with the defaults in
place was a windows exe program.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 15 09:51:01 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 06:51:01 -0800
Subject: No Check Box in the Dictionary??
Message-ID: <4D31B455.4000200@fourthworld.com>

Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> I don't mean to be picky, but neither "checkbox" nor "check box" is in
> the dictionary.  If I missed something, please tell me?

By default the IDE is set to what an occasionally-rude person like 
myself might call "Lie Mode", in which the names it displays in the 
Property Inspectors aren't the actual "English-like" tokens used in the 
language itself, but presumably some more-English-like-than-English-like 
label that attempts to be more descriptive.

My personal problem with that is that I find it slows rather than 
smooths the experience of getting started with the tool, since using the 
GUI is a much smaller part of the experience than coding, and for coding 
you need to know the actual token.

As Phil noted that's a button style, so you can turn it up in the 
Dictionary entry for "style".


Two tips to shorten the distance between "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?" and 
"Ah, I get it" going forward:

1. In LC's Preferences window, at the top of the first pane is an option 
labeled "Property labels are:" with the default setting of "Description 
of option".  If you change that to "Name of LiveTalk property" you'll 
pick up the language just a little faster, since the GUI will then 
reflect the tokens you'll be using in your scripts.

2. Those coming from a background in VB, ToolBook, or a good many other 
IDEs are accustomed to finding a property sheet tool, which lists all of 
the properties for a selected object and allows a means of editing them. 
  The Property Inspector does a fine job of providing convenient ways to 
edit a subset of these, but for learning the language it can be very 
helpful to see a list of all of them.

Got you covered there:

4W Props is a simple property sheet tool for LiveCode, available through 
the Stacks section in RevNet - in the IDE see:

   Development->Plugins->GoRevNet

HTH -

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 15 09:58:41 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 06:58:41 -0800
Subject: Any Convention on Naming Conventions?
Message-ID: <4D31B621.7020006@fourthworld.com>

Calvin Waterbury wrote:

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 	Mark Wieder <mailto:mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
>> Friday, January 14, 2011 7:54 PM
...
>> Some weekend reading for you:
>>
>> http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html
>> http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html
 >
 > Thanks!  I had already read the first one, courtesy of David C., but
 > the second link is fresh territory!
 >
 > @Richard - Nice!

Thank you for the kind word, but you should be warned:

If you advocate the use of Hungarian-lite notation you put yourself at 
risk of being pelted with small packets of M&Ms.

:)

Long story.  I'll tell you over a pint at the next RevCon if you're 
there, or next time you're passing through Los Angeles.

(Man, I miss Dar being on this list more regularly....)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jan 15 10:29:52 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:29:52 -0400
Subject: No Check Box in the Dictionary??
In-Reply-To: <4D31B455.4000200@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D31B455.4000200@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinCdWc=U3Sxx=N6-h=Zpz+FdLuQ80OCzo0tja6f@mail.gmail.com>

Richard

Thanks for these tips!

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:

> Calvin Waterbury wrote:
>
>  I don't mean to be picky, but neither "checkbox" nor "check box" is in
>> the dictionary.  If I missed something, please tell me?
>>
>
> By default the IDE is set to what an occasionally-rude person like myself
> might call "Lie Mode", in which the names it displays in the Property
> Inspectors aren't the actual "English-like" tokens used in the language
> itself, but presumably some more-English-like-than-English-like label that
> attempts to be more descriptive.
>
> My personal problem with that is that I find it slows rather than smooths
> the experience of getting started with the tool, since using the GUI is a
> much smaller part of the experience than coding, and for coding you need to
> know the actual token.
>
> As Phil noted that's a button style, so you can turn it up in the
> Dictionary entry for "style".
>
>
> Two tips to shorten the distance between "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?" and "Ah,
> I get it" going forward:
>
> 1. In LC's Preferences window, at the top of the first pane is an option
> labeled "Property labels are:" with the default setting of "Description of
> option".  If you change that to "Name of LiveTalk property" you'll pick up
> the language just a little faster, since the GUI will then reflect the
> tokens you'll be using in your scripts.
>
> 2. Those coming from a background in VB, ToolBook, or a good many other
> IDEs are accustomed to finding a property sheet tool, which lists all of the
> properties for a selected object and allows a means of editing them.  The
> Property Inspector does a fine job of providing convenient ways to edit a
> subset of these, but for learning the language it can be very helpful to see
> a list of all of them.
>
> Got you covered there:
>
> 4W Props is a simple property sheet tool for LiveCode, available through
> the Stacks section in RevNet - in the IDE see:
>
>  Development->Plugins->GoRevNet
>
> HTH -
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>
>
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From bvg at mac.com  Sat Jan 15 11:16:27 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:16:27 +0100
Subject: Required: shell scripting wizard!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=kTEPQUxe_L8gKmX4u-H0dLh6RqbDHxTCx=xr6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimy+6yf+L6CS34HGcJQAiDiPH8bG=+cwLh55BN6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinK39_XvpFbO_sC=TQnRbd=PnVgCMxyM+RJ-wWH@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimguaCoKS5y1Tk0HQ9o0_wcv9-RRS8F-wUndDh9@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimCMuAn9+KeaJjcE6bTC59HQCD8+4PmJwPeHLN3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=kTEPQUxe_L8gKmX4u-H0dLh6RqbDHxTCx=xr6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DEE10E1E-DA6D-4682-9690-8B252B9F840F@mac.com>

does the relaunch message not work on command line apps in windows?

On 14 Jan 2011, at 21:31, David Bovill wrote:

> Hmmm... I wander if simply polling for an environmental variable change will
> work. In the current case I know that LiveCode is open - I just want the
> external command line program to redirect the browser call back to Livecode
> and not open up another browser.
> 
> On 14 January 2011 16:11, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ah. Maybe a plugin thats set to start with LC that listens to a socket?  Or
>> checks an env variable ever so often, or a file for changes, or a
>> combination of these such as hit a listening port in your plugin and check
>> a
>> file/var whatever.
>> 
>> As for the multiple instances problem, if you go with the plugin route,
>> could have it create a tmp file to indicate running status, delete it on
>> close so you know whether to start up rev or not.
> 
> 
> NB - on OSX you use "launch" rather than "start"....
> 
> Makes me think though is there any way to have a compiled Livecode app act
> as a cli?
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sat Jan 15 11:18:26 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:18:26 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
Message-ID: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>

I am having trouble accessing an Arduino Uno attached to my computer via USB.

The device driver shows up as "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21"

I tried a simple open driver then read from driver then close driver. But Livecode keeps crashing or worse my computer panics and dies.

on mouseUp
    put "" into field "IOresult"
    open driver "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" for binary read // tried text read, text update, binary update
    wait 50
    read from driver "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" for 1 line in 4 second // tried for 3 char in 3 seconds, tried until eof
    if it is not "" then
        put "it: " &  it into field "IOresult" 
    else
        put "result: " & the result into field "IOresult"
    end if
    wait 50
    close driver "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21"
end mouseUp

I just want to read data that is being sent from the board. In Arduino there is a serial monitor which does read the data coming from the board. It is a bunch of numbers one per line as in 1023  then 992  then 992 etc.

I can't seem to figure out what I am doing wrong. This seems pretty straight forward.

I sent an email to Mark Weider but then thought that others might also have ideas.

Thanks


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net




From bvg at mac.com  Sat Jan 15 11:26:59 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:26:59 +0100
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <C956485B.502E1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C956485B.502E1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <3AA6DF18-4A4D-4C4E-9986-8250D67D6CE0@mac.com>

On 15 Jan 2011, at 03:37, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Along with the moveRate, how many "rates" are there?


I entered "*rate" into the BvG Docu search field:

blinkRate	property
effectRate	property
frameRate	property
idleRate	property
playRate	property
qtIdleRate	property
recordRate	property
repeatRate	property
revZipEnumerateItems	function
syncRate	property
typingRate	property

so it'll be 10, when not counting the enumeRate.


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http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev

Chat with other RunRev developers:
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From davidocoker at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 11:42:10 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:42:10 -0600
Subject: a help ..
In-Reply-To: <12d8a1c02d3.baccheschi@tin.it>
References: <12d8a1c02d3.baccheschi@tin.it>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik4GtwOXvywdciSh8dtETKPEnebLkUNP=QpAzpo@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I have uploaded a *very plain* sample stack that has little more than
a menu and "About" box pointing to a substack, that you should be able
to use as a rough guide:
http://www.docstoolchest.com/catch_all/TestMenu.rev

Hope that is what you are looking for,
David C.

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:37 AM, baccheschi at tin.it <baccheschi at tin.it> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> ----Messaggio originale----
> Da: jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> Data: 14-gen-2011 21.00
> A: "How to use LiveCode"<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Ogg: Re: a help ..
>
> On 1/14/11 11:38 AM, baccheschi at tin.it wrote:
>> i am at the beginning....... p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;
>> font: 12.0px Helvetica} p.p2 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font:
>> 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px} p.p3 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px
>> 0.0px; font: 12.0px Arial} p.p4 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;
>> font: 12.0px Arial; min-height: 14.0px} span.s1 {font: 12.0px Arial}
>>
>>
>>
>> i would like to "manage" the "About This Application" menu item I
>> tried to do somthing with Menu builder, ?but in a StandAlone
>> appllication nothing goes as i would
>>
>>
>> If ?somebody may give me indications i'll be infinitely grateful to
>> him
>
> Can you explain more about what you want to do? I don't understand why
> you have css, or how css should apply to an About box.
>
> Your About box should be a substack of the main app stack. Place text
> fields, images, or other controls in it. Then show that stack when a
> user chooses "About" from the application menu.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay ? ? ? ? | ? ? jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica}
>
>
>
> the question is ?how realize that an user chooses "About" from the application menu....
>
>
>
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sat Jan 15 11:54:01 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 11:54:01 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>

I now keep getting "file is not open for read" on the cu.usbmodem1a21 and "eof" on the tty.usbmodem1a21

What am I missing here? 


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 15, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> I am having trouble accessing an Arduino Uno attached to my computer via USB.
> 
> The device driver shows up as "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21"
> 
> I tried a simple open driver then read from driver then close driver. But Livecode keeps crashing or worse my computer panics and dies.
> 
> on mouseUp
>    put "" into field "IOresult"
>    open driver "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" for binary read // tried text read, text update, binary update
>    wait 50
>    read from driver "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" for 1 line in 4 second // tried for 3 char in 3 seconds, tried until eof
>    if it is not "" then
>        put "it: " &  it into field "IOresult" 
>    else
>        put "result: " & the result into field "IOresult"
>    end if
>    wait 50
>    close driver "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21"
> end mouseUp
> 
> I just want to read data that is being sent from the board. In Arduino there is a serial monitor which does read the data coming from the board. It is a bunch of numbers one per line as in 1023  then 992  then 992 etc.
> 
> I can't seem to figure out what I am doing wrong. This seems pretty straight forward.
> 
> I sent an email to Mark Weider but then thought that others might also have ideas.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> 
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> use-livecode mailing list
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From harald at etcpp.de  Sat Jan 15 12:42:10 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:42:10 +0100
Subject: Export Snapshot (iOS)
In-Reply-To: <C53B3925-34D0-4032-9691-5A2DB9CA0703@etcpp.de>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
	<0DB5AD31-FC4F-4668-A973-2CDEC530501D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=TgoP5nC79FBBNtitjMo4c_66yp988EKTt-iCo@mail.gmail.com>
	<418B67B7-44EF-43BD-90B2-215441AB9C17@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=wZe4Tk53Hh8+XsxOq3HyQUO_RWBB=NcMC5_hN@mail.gmail.com>
	<120FEDA7-4771-4DD8-A94C-49BD0B1E268C@twft.com>
	<C53B3925-34D0-4032-9691-5A2DB9CA0703@etcpp.de>
Message-ID: <EB8BCBC4-922D-4A8E-8DA8-B631066924BB@etcpp.de>

Even when nobody ever will be facing this special problem I
want to share the workaround I found:

When I place "reset the templateimage" before the line where
the export happens, then all seems to work fine. Strange.

Have a nice weekend,
Harald.

| Harald M?ller (www.etcpp.de)
| Theodor-K?rner-Stra?e 4, 97072 W?rzburg
| Telefon + 49-[0]931-329090-42




Am 15.01.2011 um 00:19 schrieb Harald M?ller:

> Hi all.
> 
> In a script I want to export a screenshot to a file. This works fine and
> without any problem until I leave the card, go to a special other card
> and then turn back. Then the export fails and the script stops without
> any info in "the result". This happens with JPEG and PNG, I tried both:
> 
>     export snapshot from this card to file <path> as jpeg
> 
> The path never changes, only the contents of the card change. The
> export only fails (no matter what the card contains) when I visited this
> special other card. Could this be a memory problem?
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> Best regards,
> Harald.
> 
> | Harald M?ller (www.etcpp.de)
> | Theodor-K?rner-Stra?e 4, 97072 W?rzburg
> | Telefon + 49-[0]931-329090-42
> 
> 
> 
> 




From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sat Jan 15 12:44:35 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:44:35 -0800
Subject: No Check Box in the Dictionary??
In-Reply-To: <4D31B455.4000200@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D31B455.4000200@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <627F1DEB-7844-4071-B07D-47568288D84A@mollysrevenge.com>


This thread reminds me so much of going through all the same questions when I first started using LC.  Seems like  a document that listed all these little idiosyncracies of LC, specifically targeted at newbies, would be extremely useful.  Maybe one already exists somewhere?

One thing I'd add to Calvin's list of gotchas is to realise that you cannot permanently store data in a stack in a standalone program.  Lots of recommended workarounds of course but this is something you don't typically find out about until well down the development path (at least I didn't) because it's not a problem when working in the IDE,  and it can mean fairly major changes to your application.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 15, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Calvin Waterbury wrote:
> 
>> I don't mean to be picky, but neither "checkbox" nor "check box" is in
>> the dictionary.  If I missed something, please tell me?
> 
> By default the IDE is set to what an occasionally-rude person like myself might call "Lie Mode", in which the names it displays in the Property Inspectors aren't the actual "English-like" tokens used in the language itself, but presumably some more-English-like-than-English-like label that attempts to be more descriptive.
> 
> My personal problem with that is that I find it slows rather than smooths the experience of getting started with the tool, since using the GUI is a much smaller part of the experience than coding, and for coding you need to know the actual token.
> 
> As Phil noted that's a button style, so you can turn it up in the Dictionary entry for "style".
> 
> 
> Two tips to shorten the distance between "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?" and "Ah, I get it" going forward:
> 
> 1. In LC's Preferences window, at the top of the first pane is an option labeled "Property labels are:" with the default setting of "Description of option".  If you change that to "Name of LiveTalk property" you'll pick up the language just a little faster, since the GUI will then reflect the tokens you'll be using in your scripts.
> 
> 2. Those coming from a background in VB, ToolBook, or a good many other IDEs are accustomed to finding a property sheet tool, which lists all of the properties for a selected object and allows a means of editing them.  The Property Inspector does a fine job of providing convenient ways to edit a subset of these, but for learning the language it can be very helpful to see a list of all of them.
> 
> Got you covered there:
> 
> 4W Props is a simple property sheet tool for LiveCode, available through the Stacks section in RevNet - in the IDE see:
> 
>  Development->Plugins->GoRevNet
> 
> HTH -
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
> 
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From bvg at mac.com  Sat Jan 15 12:55:14 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:55:14 +0100
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event #6
In-Reply-To: <69933438-B2B2-4051-876C-24B72743D7E1@mac.com>
References: <69933438-B2B2-4051-876C-24B72743D7E1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <70A25481-9322-4BF9-A9C1-A7CC4E2E0CA2@mac.com>

Hi Livers

the event will start in about an hour. Don't forget to join chatrev, so you can participate in the giveaway of an eBook about iDevice programming!

livecode.tv

On 13 Jan 2011, at 14:18, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> Dearest Livers
> 
> As usual, the bestest grand and mostest exciting new online Event regarding LiveCode takes place on 20:00 CET this Saturday. ChatRev is highly suggested for asking questions and knowing when to switch stream.
> 
> http://livecode.tv
> 
> This time around, Mark will introduce you to "Creating your own Edit menu, specifically Copy, Paste, Cut and Clear, and Undo if there is time"
> 
> David aims to woo people with a shorter presentation then last time, suggesting a topic of "CSS Style Sheets for LiveCode Projects"
> 
> Other times:
> Zurich is within CET
> Buenos Aires: 16:00
> New York:  14:00 
> San Francisco: 11:00
> Sydney: 06:00
> 
> Vote on the poll for times that have not been voted on much:
> http://doodle.com/azvfdcvs7ew2imrx
> 
> Make sure to use ChatRev during the happening, otherwise you might miss when you'll need to change to the other stream:
> http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
> or:
> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"
> 
> If you want to get private, regular notification of this event, please subscribe to the rss feed of the blog (about 2 updates per week):
> feed://livecode.tv/feed/
> 
> Cheers
> Bjoernke
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
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> http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
> 
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"
> 
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From baccheschi at tin.it  Sat Jan 15 13:02:49 2011
From: baccheschi at tin.it (baccheschi at tin.it)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:02:49 +0100 (CET)
Subject: R: Re: Re: a help ..
Message-ID: <12d8ad807f8.baccheschi@tin.it>





----Messaggio originale----
Da: davidocoker at gmail.com
Data: 15-gen-2011 17.42
A: "How to use LiveCode"<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Ogg: Re: Re: a help ..

Hello,
I have uploaded a *very plain* sample stack that has little more than
A mountain of thanks DAVID
your is a great help for a beginner mario
a menu and "About" box pointing to a substack, that you should be able
to use as a rough guide:
http://www.docstoolchest.com/catch_all/TestMenu.rev

Hope that is what you are looking for,
David C.

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:37 AM, baccheschi at tin.it <baccheschi at tin.it> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> ----Messaggio originale----
> Da: jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> Data: 14-gen-2011 21.00
> A: "How to use LiveCode"<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Ogg: Re: a help ..
>
> On 1/14/11 11:38 AM, baccheschi at tin.it wrote:
>> i am at the beginning....... p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;
>> font: 12.0px Helvetica} p.p2 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font:
>> 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px} p.p3 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px
>> 0.0px; font: 12.0px Arial} p.p4 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;
>> font: 12.0px Arial; min-height: 14.0px} span.s1 {font: 12.0px Arial}
>>
>>
>>
>> i would like to "manage" the "About This Application" menu item I
>> tried to do somthing with Menu builder,  but in a StandAlone
>> appllication nothing goes as i would
>>
>>
>> If  somebody may give me indications i'll be infinitely grateful to
>> him
>
> Can you explain more about what you want to do? I don't understand why
> you have css, or how css should apply to an About box.
>
> Your About box should be a substack of the main app stack. Place text
> fields, images, or other controls in it. Then show that stack when a
> user chooses "About" from the application menu.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica}
>
>
>
> the question is  how realize that an user chooses "About" from the application menu....
>
>
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan 15 13:31:29 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:31:29 +0100
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event #6
In-Reply-To: <70A25481-9322-4BF9-A9C1-A7CC4E2E0CA2@mac.com>
References: <69933438-B2B2-4051-876C-24B72743D7E1@mac.com>
	<70A25481-9322-4BF9-A9C1-A7CC4E2E0CA2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8B3866DE-DA05-4E9E-90B7-D71BED3B2112@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

I need to post a small correction:

At the end of the event (? 2 hours) eHUG will raffle off "Macworld iPhone & iPod touch Superguide (4.0).zip" eBook courtesy of TidBITS' Take Control Series.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce

On 15 jan 2011, at 18:55, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> Hi Livers
> 
> the event will start in about an hour. Don't forget to join chatrev, so you can participate in the giveaway of an eBook about iDevice programming!
> 
> livecode.tv
> 
> On 13 Jan 2011, at 14:18, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> 
>> Dearest Livers
>> 
>> As usual, the bestest grand and mostest exciting new online Event regarding LiveCode takes place on 20:00 CET this Saturday. ChatRev is highly suggested for asking questions and knowing when to switch stream.
>> 
>> http://livecode.tv
>> 
>> This time around, Mark will introduce you to "Creating your own Edit menu, specifically Copy, Paste, Cut and Clear, and Undo if there is time"
>> 
>> David aims to woo people with a shorter presentation then last time, suggesting a topic of "CSS Style Sheets for LiveCode Projects"
>> 
>> Other times:
>> Zurich is within CET
>> Buenos Aires: 16:00
>> New York:  14:00 
>> San Francisco: 11:00
>> Sydney: 06:00
>> 
>> Vote on the poll for times that have not been voted on much:
>> http://doodle.com/azvfdcvs7ew2imrx
>> 
>> Make sure to use ChatRev during the happening, otherwise you might miss when you'll need to change to the other stream:
>> http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
>> or:
>> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"
>> 
>> If you want to get private, regular notification of this event, please subscribe to the rss feed of the blog (about 2 updates per week):
>> feed://livecode.tv/feed/
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Bjoernke
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> official ChatRev page:
>> http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
>> 
>> Chat with other RunRev developers:
>> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan 15 14:23:21 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:23:21 -0600
Subject: Export Snapshot (iOS)
In-Reply-To: <EB8BCBC4-922D-4A8E-8DA8-B631066924BB@etcpp.de>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>	<0DB5AD31-FC4F-4668-A973-2CDEC530501D@twft.com>	<AANLkTi=TgoP5nC79FBBNtitjMo4c_66yp988EKTt-iCo@mail.gmail.com>	<418B67B7-44EF-43BD-90B2-215441AB9C17@twft.com>	<AANLkTi=wZe4Tk53Hh8+XsxOq3HyQUO_RWBB=NcMC5_hN@mail.gmail.com>	<120FEDA7-4771-4DD8-A94C-49BD0B1E268C@twft.com>	<C53B3925-34D0-4032-9691-5A2DB9CA0703@etcpp.de>
	<EB8BCBC4-922D-4A8E-8DA8-B631066924BB@etcpp.de>
Message-ID: <4D31F429.7000004@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/15/11 11:42 AM, Harald M?ller wrote:
> Even when nobody ever will be facing this special problem I
> want to share the workaround I found:
>
> When I place "reset the templateimage" before the line where
> the export happens, then all seems to work fine. Strange.

It would be interesting to know what was special about the card that 
failed. That might help others.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan 15 14:25:57 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:25:57 -0600
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <4D31AAA4.7080402@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D31AAA4.7080402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4D31F4C5.6030704@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/15/11 8:09 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Jacque wrote:
>  > HyperCard had an error message that said, "Script too silly to
>  > execute".
>  > No, really. It did.
>
> What would trigger that? I want to submit a feature request to add that. :)

I wish I could remember. I only saw it once and it was a thousand years 
ago. Probably something to do with run-time compiling using "do" would 
be my guess. There's also an error message that says, "Oh yeah?" but I 
don't know anyone who's ever seen it. It's in the error list though.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 15:06:38 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:06:38 +0200
Subject: Going Metallic?
Message-ID: <4D31FE4E.8090102@gmail.com>

On Mac one can set one's stack to have a metallic background.

Is there a way to:

1. Leverage this on other platforms (Win, Linux)?

2. Leverage for obejects/controls?

Presumably the metallic effect relies on an image file buried
somewhere in the recesses of the RunRev Runtime?


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 15 15:28:25 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 12:28:25 -0800
Subject: Going Metallic?
Message-ID: <4D320369.6050709@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

> On Mac one can set one's stack to have a metallic background.
>
> Is there a way to:
>
> 1. Leverage this on other platforms (Win, Linux)?
>
> 2. Leverage for obejects/controls?
>
> Presumably the metallic effect relies on an image file buried
> somewhere in the recesses of the RunRev Runtime?

I think it was an OS call, which is why it looks funky under the latest 
versions of OS X; with Leopard forward Apple has deprecated the metallic 
appearance.

The good news is that if you really want it you can mock it up in Rev is 
a way that'll work everywhere.  Just don't expect it to be accepted into 
the App Store. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From gbojsza at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 17:07:45 2011
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:07:45 -0700
Subject: How to uninstall Livecode from a Linux system
Message-ID: <AANLkTinMbfMFSWnNs_iEzGYjrEny1JDrwQy1vKUQDtA9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Are there standard steps in properly uninstalling Livecode for a Linux
system (I'm using Fedora 13).

I know I can delete files but I would like the menu to not show  Livecode if
it is not installed.

thanks,

Glen


From iangmcknight at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 17:21:35 2011
From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:21:35 +0000
Subject: problem importing tab delimited text files
Message-ID: <AANLkTikBAzcTO9-BWS+3o+8EpmCHes+pdi6bhJQCrpf-@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

I have a table of data in an excel spreadsheet.40 rows x 30 columns approx.
I save the file as a tab delimited text file for import into LC.
I import the file and its empty - nothing there in LC.
I open the text file in Notepad and save it again, making no changes.
I import the same file into LC again and all the data is where it should be.

My question is what could be preventing LC from importing an 'Excel' text
file (or perhaps failing to detect the information it contains) since there
are no errors generated.

I thought that this problem was an aberration on my part but no it has
reappeared this evening.

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.

Using LC 4.5.1 on Win 7



-- 
Regards


Ian McKnight

iangmcknight at gmail.com
=======================


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan 15 17:30:45 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:30:45 -0800
Subject: How to uninstall Livecode from a Linux system
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinMbfMFSWnNs_iEzGYjrEny1JDrwQy1vKUQDtA9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinMbfMFSWnNs_iEzGYjrEny1JDrwQy1vKUQDtA9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59904472265.20110115143045@ahsoftware.net>

Glen-

Saturday, January 15, 2011, 2:07:45 PM, you wrote:

> Hello everyone,

> Are there standard steps in properly uninstalling Livecode for a Linux
> system (I'm using Fedora 13).

> I know I can delete files but I would like the menu to not show  Livecode if
> it is not installed.

I'm not in front of my Fedora system at the moment, but from memory if
you navigate into the folder where it's installed (if you opted for
"all users" it's in /opt/runrev) you'll find an executable program
that is not livecode. Run that from a commandline with an argument of
"/uninstall". That *should* uninstall it, including the menu item.
And, of course, you'll need to su to do this.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From gbojsza at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 17:34:57 2011
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:34:57 -0700
Subject: How to uninstall Livecode from a Linux system
In-Reply-To: <59904472265.20110115143045@ahsoftware.net>
References: <AANLkTinMbfMFSWnNs_iEzGYjrEny1JDrwQy1vKUQDtA9@mail.gmail.com>
	<59904472265.20110115143045@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinzcc4Shs1Edxc=sHNHhMPpdCGLpdhuLaC13XKN@mail.gmail.com>

Great... thanks.

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Glen-
>
> Saturday, January 15, 2011, 2:07:45 PM, you wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
>
> > Are there standard steps in properly uninstalling Livecode for a Linux
> > system (I'm using Fedora 13).
>
> > I know I can delete files but I would like the menu to not show  Livecode
> if
> > it is not installed.
>
> I'm not in front of my Fedora system at the moment, but from memory if
> you navigate into the folder where it's installed (if you opted for
> "all users" it's in /opt/runrev) you'll find an executable program
> that is not livecode. Run that from a commandline with an argument of
> "/uninstall". That *should* uninstall it, including the menu item.
> And, of course, you'll need to su to do this.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
>
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From davidocoker at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 17:53:10 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:53:10 -0600
Subject: problem importing tab delimited text files
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikBAzcTO9-BWS+3o+8EpmCHes+pdi6bhJQCrpf-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikBAzcTO9-BWS+3o+8EpmCHes+pdi6bhJQCrpf-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinomtHbvVR1Ss1ztUXnoodEkew=a-KbjbdKF4Gu@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Ian McKnight <iangmcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I have a table of data in an excel spreadsheet.40 rows x 30 columns approx.
> I save the file as a tab delimited text file for import into LC.
> I import the file and its empty - nothing there in LC.
> I open the text file in Notepad and save it again, making no changes.
> I import the same file into LC again and all the data is where it should be.
>
> My question is what could be preventing LC from importing an 'Excel' text
> file (or perhaps failing to detect the information it contains) since there
> are no errors generated.
>
> I thought that this problem was an aberration on my part but no it has
> reappeared this evening.
>
> Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Using LC 4.5.1 on Win 7
>
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
>
> Ian McKnight
>
> iangmcknight at gmail.com
> =======================
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Hello Ian,
I use tab delimited files from excel all the time without any
difficulties... same exact platform and LC version.

Based on your description, I'd try to open just a simple text file
without tabs, just to verify that the intended file is being opened
successfully. (Been there, done that, more than once)

Also, make sure to set the itemdelimiter to tab. (Been there, done that also)

It has always been solid as a rock for me on this end and I cannot
imagine any other scenario where it would fail.

Best regards,
David C.



From iangmcknight at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 18:16:20 2011
From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:16:20 +0000
Subject: problem importing tab delimited text files
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinomtHbvVR1Ss1ztUXnoodEkew=a-KbjbdKF4Gu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikBAzcTO9-BWS+3o+8EpmCHes+pdi6bhJQCrpf-@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinomtHbvVR1Ss1ztUXnoodEkew=a-KbjbdKF4Gu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikTs8cQ7JTbA1Ggx_PfQg3c9sS5ukS6WV9GXd5t@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the advice David. I went back and checked. As I still had the
text file open in Excel when I was trying to import it into LC the file must
have been locked in some way by Excel - as soon as I closed the file in XL
it worked perfectly. Makes perfect sense really.

I think I'll start writing down my gaffs down in a notebook to try and save
time in future :)

Thanks again.

On 15 January 2011 22:53, David C. <davidocoker at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Ian McKnight <iangmcknight at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > I have a table of data in an excel spreadsheet.40 rows x 30 columns
> approx.
> > I save the file as a tab delimited text file for import into LC.
> > I import the file and its empty - nothing there in LC.
> > I open the text file in Notepad and save it again, making no changes.
> > I import the same file into LC again and all the data is where it should
> be.
> >
> > My question is what could be preventing LC from importing an 'Excel' text
> > file (or perhaps failing to detect the information it contains) since
> there
> > are no errors generated.
> >
> > I thought that this problem was an aberration on my part but no it has
> > reappeared this evening.
> >
> > Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Using LC 4.5.1 on Win 7
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Ian McKnight
> >
> > iangmcknight at gmail.com
> > =======================
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
>
> Hello Ian,
> I use tab delimited files from excel all the time without any
> difficulties... same exact platform and LC version.
>
> Based on your description, I'd try to open just a simple text file
> without tabs, just to verify that the intended file is being opened
> successfully. (Been there, done that, more than once)
>
> Also, make sure to set the itemdelimiter to tab. (Been there, done that
> also)
>
> It has always been solid as a rock for me on this end and I cannot
> imagine any other scenario where it would fail.
>
> Best regards,
> David C.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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Regards


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iangmcknight at gmail.com
=======================


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 15 18:37:12 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:37:12 -0800
Subject: problem importing tab delimited text files
Message-ID: <4D322FA8.60402@fourthworld.com>

Ian McKnight wrote:

> Thanks for the advice David. I went back and checked. As I still had the
> text file open in Excel when I was trying to import it into LC the file must
> have been locked in some way by Excel - as soon as I closed the file in XL
> it worked perfectly. Makes perfect sense really.
>
> I think I'll start writing down my gaffs down in a notebook to try and save
> time in future :)

Why write them down when you can have LiveCode write them for you? :)

If you check "the result" after a command is run, a non-empty value will 
usually contain an error string.

If you also include a call to the sysError function, you get the 
system's error code to guide you to the specifics of the error.

And if you include all that in a handler call, you only need to write it 
once, e.g.:

on SomeHandler
   ...
   put url ("file:"& tMyExportedDataFile) into tData
   Err the result
   ...
end SomeHandler

on Err s
   if s is not empty then
     put sysError() into tSysError
     answer "An error occured: "& s &"(" &tSysError& ")"
     exit to top
   end if
end Err


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From cjw at eml.cc  Sat Jan 15 18:55:15 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:55:15 -0600
Subject: Setting visibility on start up
Message-ID: <4D3233E3.9070806@eml.cc>

Hi,

I need some guidance of the LC parlance when making objects 
visible/invisible on start up.  I've tried some experiments, but nothing 
works.

FYI - for anyone that is interested, I *really* learned a lot from Mark's
presentation/chat (I couldn't get good video consistently on David's).  
A number of things congealed in my mind.  I'm still scraping around on 
some of the syntax "particulars," but what I am coding is working great 
for pseudocode until I figure out the real syntax. :)

Standing by...
Calvin



From davidocoker at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 19:06:11 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:06:11 -0600
Subject: Setting visibility on start up
In-Reply-To: <4D3233E3.9070806@eml.cc>
References: <4D3233E3.9070806@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinj06XxpFT7gnC76=hK3wA_93VGofZwymQ2OHzn@mail.gmail.com>

> Hi,
>
> I need some guidance of the LC parlance when making objects
> visible/invisible on start up. ?I've tried some experiments, but nothing
> works.
>
> FYI - for anyone that is interested, I *really* learned a lot from Mark's
> presentation/chat (I couldn't get good video consistently on David's). ?A
> number of things congealed in my mind. ?I'm still scraping around on some of
> the syntax "particulars," but what I am coding is working great for
> pseudocode until I figure out the real syntax. :)
>
> Standing by...
> Calvin


Hey Calvin,
Try this: set the visible of object "ObjectName" to true/false
As in...

set the visible of button "YourButton" to true
set the visible of field "MyField" to true
-or-
set the visible of button "YourButton" to false
set the visible of field "MyField" to false

..where button/field can be any object selected on your card

Best regards,
David C.



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan 15 19:10:12 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:10:12 -0800
Subject: Setting visibility on start up
In-Reply-To: <4D3233E3.9070806@eml.cc>
References: <4D3233E3.9070806@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <186910439203.20110115161012@ahsoftware.net>

Calvin-

Saturday, January 15, 2011, 3:55:15 PM, you wrote:

> Hi,

> I need some guidance of the LC parlance when making objects 
> visible/invisible on start up.  I've tried some experiments, but nothing
> works.

Hmmm... startup of a standalone app or startup in the IDE? In the
script of the first card of the stack (not in the stack script itself)
you can do the following:

on startup
  -- the startup message is only sent to standalone apps
  -- make some things invisible
  -- set the visible of someObject to false
  -- set the visible of group lotsOfObjects to false
end startup

on preOpenStack
  -- this one works in the IDE
  -- make some things invisible
end preOpenStack

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From cjw at eml.cc  Sat Jan 15 19:12:19 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:12:19 -0600
Subject: Setting visibility on start up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinj06XxpFT7gnC76=hK3wA_93VGofZwymQ2OHzn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D3233E3.9070806@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTinj06XxpFT7gnC76=hK3wA_93VGofZwymQ2OHzn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D3237E3.9090006@eml.cc>

Hi David C.,

Would this mean for start up I would code in the stack script...

on openStack
     set the visible of button "YourButton" to true
     set the visible of field "MyField" to true
end openStack

Am I on the right track?

Thanks,
Calvin
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	David C. <mailto:davidocoker at gmail.com>
> Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:06 PM
>
>
>
>
> Hey Calvin,
> Try this: set the visible of object "ObjectName" to true/false
> As in...
>
> set the visible of button "YourButton" to true
> set the visible of field "MyField" to true
> -or-
> set the visible of button "YourButton" to false
> set the visible of field "MyField" to false
>
> ..where button/field can be any object selected on your card
>
> Best regards,
> David C.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Calvin Waterbury <mailto:cjw at eml.cc>
> Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:55 PM
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I need some guidance of the LC parlance when making objects 
> visible/invisible on start up.  I've tried some experiments, but 
> nothing works.
>
> FYI - for anyone that is interested, I *really* learned a lot from Mark's
> presentation/chat (I couldn't get good video consistently on 
> David's).  A number of things congealed in my mind.  I'm still 
> scraping around on some of the syntax "particulars," but what I am 
> coding is working great for pseudocode until I figure out the real 
> syntax. :)
>
> Standing by...
> Calvin



From cjw at eml.cc  Sat Jan 15 19:13:48 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:13:48 -0600
Subject: Setting visibility on start up
In-Reply-To: <186910439203.20110115161012@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4D3233E3.9070806@eml.cc>
	<186910439203.20110115161012@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4D32383C.7010508@eml.cc>

Hi Mark,

I was referring to "standalone," but I got a bonus on this one! ;)

Thanks,
Calvin

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Mark Wieder <mailto:mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:10 PM
>
>
> Calvin-
>
> Saturday, January 15, 2011, 3:55:15 PM, you wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>
>> I need some guidance of the LC parlance when making objects
>> visible/invisible on start up.  I've tried some experiments, but nothing
>> works.
>
> Hmmm... startup of a standalone app or startup in the IDE? In the
> script of the first card of the stack (not in the stack script itself)
> you can do the following:
>
> on startup
>    -- the startup message is only sent to standalone apps
>    -- make some things invisible
>    -- set the visible of someObject to false
>    -- set the visible of group lotsOfObjects to false
> end startup
>
> on preOpenStack
>    -- this one works in the IDE
>    -- make some things invisible
> end preOpenStack
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Calvin Waterbury <mailto:cjw at eml.cc>
> Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:55 PM
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I need some guidance of the LC parlance when making objects 
> visible/invisible on start up.  I've tried some experiments, but 
> nothing works.
>
> FYI - for anyone that is interested, I *really* learned a lot from Mark's
> presentation/chat (I couldn't get good video consistently on 
> David's).  A number of things congealed in my mind.  I'm still 
> scraping around on some of the syntax "particulars," but what I am 
> coding is working great for pseudocode until I figure out the real 
> syntax. :)
>
> Standing by...
> Calvin



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan 15 19:19:00 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:19:00 -0800
Subject: Setting visibility on start up
In-Reply-To: <4D32383C.7010508@eml.cc>
References: <4D3233E3.9070806@eml.cc>
	<186910439203.20110115161012@ahsoftware.net> <4D32383C.7010508@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <192910967015.20110115161900@ahsoftware.net>

Calvin-

Saturday, January 15, 2011, 4:13:48 PM, you wrote:

> Hi Mark,

> I was referring to "standalone," but I got a bonus on this one! ;)

<g> part of the bonus is that the startup and preopenstack are both
sent before the stack is visible, so you don't have to worry about any
flashing on the screen while you're making changes. OTOH you do have
to worry about some libraries not having been loaded yet, so there are
some things you can't do in those handlers and should be deferred.
YMMV.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From cjw at eml.cc  Sat Jan 15 19:24:40 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:24:40 -0600
Subject: Line Hint
Message-ID: <4D323AC8.4010606@eml.cc>

Hi,

I can find nothing in the dictionary nor the user guide... what exactly 
is a "line hint?"

Thanks,
Calvin



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan 15 19:26:33 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:26:33 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
Message-ID: <112911420359.20110115162633@ahsoftware.net>

Tom-

Saturday, January 15, 2011, 8:18:26 AM, you wrote:

> I am having trouble accessing an Arduino Uno attached to my computer via USB.

I haven't looked at the Arduino since they changed the chipset, but it
*should* be straightforward. I realize that's no help, and crashing LC
is something that shouldn't happen. Is there a crashlog?

I helped fund this project on kickstarter, and I'm watching it
eagerly, waiting for the boards to be ready:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bushing/openvizsla-open-source-usb-protocol-analyzer

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From davidocoker at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 19:28:53 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:28:53 -0600
Subject: Setting visibility on start up
In-Reply-To: <4D3237E3.9090006@eml.cc>
References: <4D3233E3.9070806@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTinj06XxpFT7gnC76=hK3wA_93VGofZwymQ2OHzn@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D3237E3.9090006@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=y1dVA9chtgzKD-qxNrLV0_jouzuUsC4qqWNJV@mail.gmail.com>

> Hi David C.,
>
> Would this mean for start up I would code in the stack script...
>
> on openStack
> ? ?set the visible of button "YourButton" to true
> ? ?set the visible of field "MyField" to true
> end openStack
>
> Am I on the right track?
>
> Thanks,
> Calvin

As Mark mentioned, there are some variances depending on what you are
doing, but yes, you are in the groove. :-)

Best regards,
David C.



From davidocoker at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 19:32:14 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:32:14 -0600
Subject: Line Hint
In-Reply-To: <4D323AC8.4010606@eml.cc>
References: <4D323AC8.4010606@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=7XRuEZMUi_85WqJWWdWAzMdA63WMUXLGUDdm_@mail.gmail.com>

> Hi,
>
> I can find nothing in the dictionary nor the user guide... what exactly is a
> "line hint?"
>
> Thanks,
> Calvin
>


Calvin,
Not sure that I understand..... are you asking about "toolTips" that
are display when you hover over an object of some type?


Best regards,
David C.



From cjw at eml.cc  Sat Jan 15 19:41:00 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:41:00 -0600
Subject: Line Hint
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=7XRuEZMUi_85WqJWWdWAzMdA63WMUXLGUDdm_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D323AC8.4010606@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTi=7XRuEZMUi_85WqJWWdWAzMdA63WMUXLGUDdm_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D323E9C.8010005@eml.cc>

Hi David C.,

Nope.  I'm referring to the "Errors" window when something flubs.  It 
says on the left side of that dialog...

Type
Object
Line
Hint

I know this is an error message, but does "line hint" mean anything else?

Thanks,
Calvin

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	David C. <mailto:davidocoker at gmail.com>
> Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:32 PM
>
>
>
>
> Calvin,
> Not sure that I understand..... are you asking about "toolTips" that
> are display when you hover over an object of some type?
>
>
> Best regards,
> David C.
>
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> 	Calvin Waterbury <mailto:cjw at eml.cc>
> Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:24 PM
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I can find nothing in the dictionary nor the user guide... what 
> exactly is a "line hint?"
>
> Thanks,
> Calvin



From davidocoker at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 19:49:02 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:49:02 -0600
Subject: Line Hint
In-Reply-To: <4D323E9C.8010005@eml.cc>
References: <4D323AC8.4010606@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTi=7XRuEZMUi_85WqJWWdWAzMdA63WMUXLGUDdm_@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D323E9C.8010005@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimtMZ_5-Gtz84g9LhUw3D+tV59WFNsLDaen9-sT@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Calvin Waterbury <cjw at eml.cc> wrote:
> Hi David C.,
>
> Nope. ?I'm referring to the "Errors" window when something flubs. ?It says
> on the left side of that dialog...
>
> Type
> Object
> Line
> Hint
>
> I know this is an error message, but does "line hint" mean anything else?
>
> Thanks,
> Calvin

I guess you've lost me in this case... maybe one of the guru's will
chime in with words of wisdom. Sorry.

Best regards,
David C.



From massung at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 20:12:59 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:12:59 -0700
Subject: Line Hint
In-Reply-To: <4D323E9C.8010005@eml.cc>
References: <4D323AC8.4010606@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTi=7XRuEZMUi_85WqJWWdWAzMdA63WMUXLGUDdm_@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D323E9C.8010005@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <58F6C924-E503-48F4-9BC8-1C694FBE3193@gmail.com>



On Jan 15, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> Hi David C.,
> 
> Nope.  I'm referring to the "Errors" window when something flubs.  It says on the left side of that dialog...
> 
> Type
> Object
> Line
> Hint
> 
> I know this is an error message, but does "line hint" mean anything else?


Well, "line hint" isn't really accurate, because aren't they two separate items? So "line" would be the line # the error occurred on and "hint" would be something like "Field 'hoohaw' doesn't exist," right?

I haven't done hardly anything with error decoding in LC, but that would make sense to me.

Jeff M.


From cjw at eml.cc  Sat Jan 15 20:17:46 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:17:46 -0600
Subject: Line Hint
In-Reply-To: <58F6C924-E503-48F4-9BC8-1C694FBE3193@gmail.com>
References: <4D323AC8.4010606@eml.cc>	<AANLkTi=7XRuEZMUi_85WqJWWdWAzMdA63WMUXLGUDdm_@mail.gmail.com>	<4D323E9C.8010005@eml.cc>
	<58F6C924-E503-48F4-9BC8-1C694FBE3193@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D32473A.6000403@eml.cc>

We have a winner!

Boy! do I feel like a schmolez!

Thanks for the clarification, Jeff.
Calvin

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Jeffrey Massung <mailto:massung at gmail.com>
> Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:12 PM
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, "line hint" isn't really accurate, because aren't they two 
> separate items? So "line" would be the line # the error occurred on 
> and "hint" would be something like "Field 'hoohaw' doesn't exist," right?
>
> I haven't done hardly anything with error decoding in LC, but that 
> would make sense to me.
>
> Jeff M.
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Calvin Waterbury <mailto:cjw at eml.cc>
> Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:41 PM
>
>
> Hi David C.,
>
> Nope.  I'm referring to the "Errors" window when something flubs.  It 
> says on the left side of that dialog...
>
> Type
> Object
> Line
> Hint
>
> I know this is an error message, but does "line hint" mean anything else?
>
> Thanks,
> Calvin
>



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan 15 20:37:02 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:37:02 -0800
Subject: Open Source Licenses (yet again)
Message-ID: <155915649468.20110115173702@ahsoftware.net>

All-

I notice that Adobe/O'Reilly posts Actionscript snippets using the
Creative Commons 3.0 license:

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/

example (which btw is an easy example showing how to use OAuth to
access foursquare.com data):
http://cookbooks.adobe.com/post_Accessing_a_OAuth_secured_API_via_Flash_Actionscri-18036.html

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 20:57:08 2011
From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:57:08 -0600
Subject: Layers, revNavigator, & DataGrids
In-Reply-To: <E2F365E0-4DF3-4483-8213-E59EC4821454@gmail.com>
References: <8A54DDF6-0FD8-4987-87FE-7D45BF5F2022@ahsomme.com>
	<DFD6BFEC-4B22-4934-A470-E7BF9E5B6297@califex.com>
	<B7F67AFB-6513-44E8-A139-9FEFE03811E4@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimUZr=JY3gMYb2KxagVf++uUsg-TzoLt_dj=A4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<E2F365E0-4DF3-4483-8213-E59EC4821454@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikegy-dwLroDcm_QhiR_44WJU+htDEhJYzz7Qqk@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking at it now...

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Peter Brigham MD <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>  AltLayerTools
>> http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altLayerTools.rev
>> It keeps you from moving objects in and out of groups. It only move groups
>> around.
>>
>> just put in msg box:
>> go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altLayerTools.rev"
>> then save to plugins. I use with my toolbar palette.
>>
>> here's another which is most helpful:
>> AltGroupMgr
>> http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altGroupMgr.txt
>>
>> It does a great job of placing and removing groups on different cards.
>>
>> Both use ZERO frontscripts in favor of a 'refresh button,' mostly for
>> robustness and lack of conflict with some of my other frontscripts. I
>> really
>> need to create a single frontscript library which manages everything.
>> C'est
>> la vie.
>>
>
> But no replacement for the really great ability that revNavigator used to
> have, of moving a control (or a group) in or out of a group? That's what I
> miss!
>
> Geoff Canyon, can you convince that developer of yours to do something
> about this...?  :-)
>
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
>
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Jan 15 21:33:19 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:33:19 -0400
Subject: Setting visibility on start up
In-Reply-To: <186910439203.20110115161012@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4D3233E3.9070806@eml.cc>
	<186910439203.20110115161012@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimkrS9joVw_ZSEQESA_dj3x9ma+O-nC0v7PCgDm@mail.gmail.com>

preOpenStack works in both the IDE and in a standalone while "on startup"
only works when compiled to a standalone? That's good to know.  I wonder why
any one would use startup?

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> on startup
>  -- the startup message is only sent to standalone apps
>  -- make some things invisible
>  -- set the visible of someObject to false
>  -- set the visible of group lotsOfObjects to false
> end startup
>
> on preOpenStack
>  -- this one works in the IDE
>  -- make some things invisible
> end preOpenStack
>



-- 
http://www.bluewatermaritime.com


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 15 21:38:19 2011
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:38:19 -0800
Subject: Line Hint
In-Reply-To: <4D32473A.6000403@eml.cc>
References: <4D323AC8.4010606@eml.cc>	<AANLkTi=7XRuEZMUi_85WqJWWdWAzMdA63WMUXLGUDdm_@mail.gmail.com>	<4D323E9C.8010005@eml.cc>
	<58F6C924-E503-48F4-9BC8-1C694FBE3193@gmail.com>
	<4D32473A.6000403@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <F1894C33-E41A-4BF9-B152-CC896EA53600@yahoo.com>

Try creating know errors, then observe the error reporting.
Start with small scripts, misspell, mis-reference, etc to get a feel  
for this.

On Jan 15, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> We have a winner!
>
> Boy! do I feel like a schmolez!
>
> Thanks for the clarification, Jeff.
> Calvin
>
>>
>> 	Jeffrey Massung <mailto:massung at gmail.com>
>> Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:12 PM
>>
>> Well, "line hint" isn't really accurate, because aren't they two  
>> separate items? So "line" would be the line # the error occurred on  
>> and "hint" would be something like "Field 'hoohaw' doesn't exist,"  
>> right?
>>
>> I haven't done hardly anything with error decoding in LC, but that  
>> would make sense to me.
>>
>> Jeff M.
>>
>> 	Calvin Waterbury <mailto:cjw at eml.cc>
>> Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:41 PM
>>
>>
>> Hi David C.,
>>
>> Nope.  I'm referring to the "Errors" window when something flubs.   
>> It says on the left side of that dialog...
>>
>> Type
>> Object
>> Line
>> Hint
>>
>> I know this is an error message, but does "line hint" mean anything  
>> else?

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From harald at etcpp.de  Sat Jan 15 21:49:01 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 03:49:01 +0100
Subject: datagrid (loc of elements)
In-Reply-To: <F1894C33-E41A-4BF9-B152-CC896EA53600@yahoo.com>
References: <4D323AC8.4010606@eml.cc>	<AANLkTi=7XRuEZMUi_85WqJWWdWAzMdA63WMUXLGUDdm_@mail.gmail.com>	<4D323E9C.8010005@eml.cc>
	<58F6C924-E503-48F4-9BC8-1C694FBE3193@gmail.com>
	<4D32473A.6000403@eml.cc>
	<F1894C33-E41A-4BF9-B152-CC896EA53600@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0B79DDCE-AD1B-4FB8-A2BC-14F5A13F35DA@etcpp.de>

Hi all.

I try to show an card element at the loc of the selected line of a datagrid form.
Is there a way to get the loc of datagrid element or will I have to put it inside
the datagrid and toggle the visible when a line is hilted?

Best regards,
Harald M?ller.

| Harald M?ller (www.etcpp.de)
| Theodor-K?rner-Stra?e 4, 97072 W?rzburg
| Telefon + 49-[0]931-329090-42


From cjw at eml.cc  Sat Jan 15 21:49:29 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 02:49:29 +0000
Subject: Line Hint
In-Reply-To: <F1894C33-E41A-4BF9-B152-CC896EA53600@yahoo.com>
References: <4D323AC8.4010606@eml.cc>	<AANLkTi=7XRuEZMUi_85WqJWWdWAzMdA63WMUXLGUDdm_@mail.gmail.com>	<4D323E9C.8010005@eml.cc><58F6C924-E503-48F4-9BC8-1C694FBE3193@gmail.com><4D32473A.6000403@eml.cc><F1894C33-E41A-4BF9-B152-CC896EA53600@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1461222291-1295146168-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1951319085-@bda876.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hi Jim,

I did this somewhat, but the idea of matching errors with error messages is certainly wise.  

Thank you,
Calvin
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
Sender: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:38:19 
To: How to use LiveCode<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Reply-To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Line Hint

Try creating know errors, then observe the error reporting.
Start with small scripts, misspell, mis-reference, etc to get a feel  
for this.

On Jan 15, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> We have a winner!
>
> Boy! do I feel like a schmolez!
>
> Thanks for the clarification, Jeff.
> Calvin
>
>>
>> 	Jeffrey Massung <mailto:massung at gmail.com>
>> Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:12 PM
>>
>> Well, "line hint" isn't really accurate, because aren't they two  
>> separate items? So "line" would be the line # the error occurred on  
>> and "hint" would be something like "Field 'hoohaw' doesn't exist,"  
>> right?
>>
>> I haven't done hardly anything with error decoding in LC, but that  
>> would make sense to me.
>>
>> Jeff M.
>>
>> 	Calvin Waterbury <mailto:cjw at eml.cc>
>> Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:41 PM
>>
>>
>> Hi David C.,
>>
>> Nope.  I'm referring to the "Errors" window when something flubs.   
>> It says on the left side of that dialog...
>>
>> Type
>> Object
>> Line
>> Hint
>>
>> I know this is an error message, but does "line hint" mean anything  
>> else?

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan 15 21:58:56 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:58:56 -0800
Subject: Setting visibility on start up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimkrS9joVw_ZSEQESA_dj3x9ma+O-nC0v7PCgDm@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D3233E3.9070806@eml.cc>
	<186910439203.20110115161012@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTimkrS9joVw_ZSEQESA_dj3x9ma+O-nC0v7PCgDm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19920565984.20110115185856@ahsoftware.net>

william-

Saturday, January 15, 2011, 6:33:19 PM, you wrote:

> preOpenStack works in both the IDE and in a standalone while "on startup"
> only works when compiled to a standalone? That's good to know.  I wonder why
> any one would use startup?

I parse commandline arguments there for a standalone. It's also useful
for loading libraries that the IDE would normally already have loaded
for you.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From harald at etcpp.de  Sat Jan 15 22:00:01 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 04:00:01 +0100
Subject: different screen resolutions (iOS)
In-Reply-To: <D0DEF554-1B42-4AFC-BA7E-5768967F8338@verizon.net>
References: <4D309B24.1080708@fourthworld.com>
	<0DB5AD31-FC4F-4668-A973-2CDEC530501D@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=TgoP5nC79FBBNtitjMo4c_66yp988EKTt-iCo@mail.gmail.com>
	<418B67B7-44EF-43BD-90B2-215441AB9C17@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=wZe4Tk53Hh8+XsxOq3HyQUO_RWBB=NcMC5_hN@mail.gmail.com>
	<120FEDA7-4771-4DD8-A94C-49BD0B1E268C@twft.com>
	<C53B3925-34D0-4032-9691-5A2DB9CA0703@etcpp.de>
	<4BCC3CD9-D261-42AF-BF97-565062E74B6C@etcpp.de>
	<D0DEF554-1B42-4AFC-BA7E-5768967F8338@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <85B8B51F-2676-4F83-BFE9-F6065E0CCDCF@etcpp.de>

There were many articles and speculations. The last one:
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/15/ipad-2-screen-likely-to-have-2048x1536-resolution/

(As the dreamer that I am I would love it when the engine could blow up a "normal" card to the
double size and would search for corresponding @2x" graphics for every referenced image.)


Am 15.01.2011 um 15:15 schrieb Colin Holgate:

> 
> On Jan 15, 2011, at 6:13 AM, Harald M?ller wrote:
> 
>> With the upcoming iPad 2 and its once again new screen resolution it will be more difficult to support all devices. As it looks there will be two "logical" resolutions each with two "physical" resolutions on the iOS, perhaps more to come.
> 
> Can you point to the specifications page, where they say that the resolution is different? This article here:
> 
> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/new-in-ios-4.3-the-full-breakdown-with-screenshots/
> 
> looks at the various art inside iOS 4.3, and that art suggests that the new iPad would be the same resolution as the current one.
> 
> About your overall point of dealing with different screen sizes, there are a few difficulties. With Flash I do use the kind of approach you're suggesting, where my single sized iPhone stage gets scaled up to fill the iPad screen, but there are a good amount of hoops I have to jump through to make sure that the quality remains good.
> 
> The larger screen size isn't as big a problem as the different aspect ratios. In Flash I get away with it by having extra content above and below the stage, and when it's blown up to fill the iPad, that extra content becomes visible. With LC, so far at least, the content seems to be aligned top left. That could work out ok, if you have bitmap versions of the different size backgrounds you could jump to the card that has the corresponding sized art, and button layout, etc. With that way of working you could take care of 480x320, 1024x768, and the other device sizes of 800x480 and 1024x600. Any time you learn about a new screen size that you want to support you would need to make a card, or cards, that are laid out for that new size. Or you might be able to do a lot of the work using code.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan 15 22:31:30 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 21:31:30 -0600
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/15/11 10:54 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> I now keep getting "file is not open for read" on the cu.usbmodem1a21
> and "eof" on the tty.usbmodem1a21
>
> What am I missing here?
>
>
> -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> On Jan 15, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>> I am having trouble accessing an Arduino Uno attached to my
>> computer via USB.
>>
>> The device driver shows up as "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21"
>>
>> I tried a simple open driver then read from driver then close
>> driver. But Livecode keeps crashing or worse my computer panics and
>> dies.

This came up in the support queue. Basically "open driver" is only for 
(real) serial devices. To open a usb device that is posing as a serial 
device (i.e., you have a usb/serial port adapter) then you should use 
"open file" instead. Treat the port just as you would a regular file.

There's no USB support per se, so if the device doesn't present itself 
as a serial port device it won't work.

The path you use when you open a serial port as a file is the same one 
you'd use in shell -- use the "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" path you 
mentioned. Also, see if you can talk to it in shell just as a test.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan 15 22:37:59 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:37:59 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Saturday, January 15, 2011, 7:31:30 PM, you wrote:

> There's no USB support per se, so if the device doesn't present itself
> as a serial port device it won't work.

> The path you use when you open a serial port as a file is the same one
> you'd use in shell -- use the "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" path you 
> mentioned. Also, see if you can talk to it in shell just as a test.

That should work then, since the Arduino driver has always presented
itself as a serial port.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From lvhdgc7 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 23:13:47 2011
From: lvhdgc7 at gmail.com (tbodine)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 20:13:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event #6
In-Reply-To: <69933438-B2B2-4051-876C-24B72743D7E1@mac.com>
References: <69933438-B2B2-4051-876C-24B72743D7E1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1295151227707-3219718.post@n4.nabble.com>


For those of us who missed it, is there an archive of past presentations?

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From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 01:53:58 2011
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 00:53:58 -0600
Subject: Groups - Lock Size and Position
Message-ID: <AANLkTinpcJHsDKfmg3pfcS4yDf5TU-vRY1wCS-fhyXdH@mail.gmail.com>

I have some groups within a Tab Menu.  I am trying to make the tab menu and
groups scalable based on the size of the stack.  When I test this, it keeps
setting on the lock size and position on for the groups.  What would cause
this when I keep unhiliting the lock size and position of the groups?

I don't have any code within my stack to lock the size.

Thanks for any help!
Warren


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan 16 03:33:41 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:33:41 +0000
Subject: Required: shell scripting wizard!
In-Reply-To: <DEE10E1E-DA6D-4682-9690-8B252B9F840F@mac.com>
References: <AANLkTimy+6yf+L6CS34HGcJQAiDiPH8bG=+cwLh55BN6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinK39_XvpFbO_sC=TQnRbd=PnVgCMxyM+RJ-wWH@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimguaCoKS5y1Tk0HQ9o0_wcv9-RRS8F-wUndDh9@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimCMuAn9+KeaJjcE6bTC59HQCD8+4PmJwPeHLN3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=kTEPQUxe_L8gKmX4u-H0dLh6RqbDHxTCx=xr6@mail.gmail.com>
	<DEE10E1E-DA6D-4682-9690-8B252B9F840F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinbtuQ30xievokVeA_ztOgR9eGpgAj7jjk6QTCR@mail.gmail.com>

What is required to create a cli for an executable? AFAIK it's not something
you could achieve with an external?


From bvg at mac.com  Sun Jan 16 06:04:40 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:04:40 +0100
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event #6
In-Reply-To: <69933438-B2B2-4051-876C-24B72743D7E1@mac.com>
References: <69933438-B2B2-4051-876C-24B72743D7E1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B78429A2-8BDE-4715-9ABC-AAA19219B6A3@mac.com>

It was yet again a lot of fun. Mark showed that cut/copy/paste is not very hard, if you stick to the basics:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12034326
see also his example materials:
http://blog.livecode.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/edit_menu.zip

David showed off his automatic script-to-object parsing code, setting a menus style and populating its contents by parsing code (two parts):
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12035706
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12036243

This time we gave away an eBook, organised by Mark, supplied by http://www.ehug.info, courtesy of http://www.tidbits.com and part of their http://www.takecontrolbooks.com.

Howlernator won it!



On 13 Jan 2011, at 14:18, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> Dearest Livers
> 
> As usual, the bestest grand and mostest exciting new online Event regarding LiveCode takes place on 20:00 CET this Saturday. ChatRev is highly suggested for asking questions and knowing when to switch stream.
> 
> http://livecode.tv
> 
> This time around, Mark will introduce you to "Creating your own Edit menu, specifically Copy, Paste, Cut and Clear, and Undo if there is time"
> 
> David aims to woo people with a shorter presentation then last time, suggesting a topic of "CSS Style Sheets for LiveCode Projects"
> 
> Other times:
> Zurich is within CET
> Buenos Aires: 16:00
> New York:  14:00 
> San Francisco: 11:00
> Sydney: 06:00
> 
> Vote on the poll for times that have not been voted on much:
> http://doodle.com/azvfdcvs7ew2imrx
> 
> Make sure to use ChatRev during the happening, otherwise you might miss when you'll need to change to the other stream:
> http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
> or:
> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"
> 
> If you want to get private, regular notification of this event, please subscribe to the rss feed of the blog (about 2 updates per week):
> feed://livecode.tv/feed/
> 
> Cheers
> Bjoernke
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> official ChatRev page:
> http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
> 
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"
> 
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From bvg at mac.com  Sun Jan 16 06:32:15 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:32:15 +0100
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event #6
In-Reply-To: <1295151227707-3219718.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <69933438-B2B2-4051-876C-24B72743D7E1@mac.com>
	<1295151227707-3219718.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <B1E06839-DD1B-4B4F-80D6-5323AF1E6057@mac.com>

There's no single site, but you can go to the forum, and there's links to all the recordings there. I've added a category to all posts that contain links to recordings:

http://blog.livecode.tv/category/archived_streams/

Note that due to horrible gui choices on ustreams client, often people forget to record, so what's not listed, was not recorded. Additionally, my first talk was recorded, but split into about 10 different recordings. They are not linked anywhere, but can be found on my ustream channel:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-code

On 16 Jan 2011, at 05:13, tbodine wrote:

> 
> For those of us who missed it, is there an archive of past presentations?
> 
> -- 
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> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From iangmcknight at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 07:02:41 2011
From: iangmcknight at gmail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:02:41 +0000
Subject: problem importing tab delimited text files
In-Reply-To: <4D322FA8.60402@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D322FA8.60402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimWQD_UpyFTM2c-3aDuwuw-ptg_LdqFi66yW_oT@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Richard

I just included your handler in my test stack and it returned "can't open
file(32)"
 - very useful indeed. I didn't think about sysError being used in that way
- message to self - must spend more time reading the dictionary! :)


On 15 January 2011 23:37, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Ian McKnight wrote:
>
>  Thanks for the advice David. I went back and checked. As I still had the
>> text file open in Excel when I was trying to import it into LC the file
>> must
>> have been locked in some way by Excel - as soon as I closed the file in XL
>> it worked perfectly. Makes perfect sense really.
>>
>> I think I'll start writing down my gaffs down in a notebook to try and
>> save
>> time in future :)
>>
>
> Why write them down when you can have LiveCode write them for you? :)
>
> If you check "the result" after a command is run, a non-empty value will
> usually contain an error string.
>
> If you also include a call to the sysError function, you get the system's
> error code to guide you to the specifics of the error.
>
> And if you include all that in a handler call, you only need to write it
> once, e.g.:
>
> on SomeHandler
>  ...
>  put url ("file:"& tMyExportedDataFile) into tData
>  Err the result
>  ...
> end SomeHandler
>
> on Err s
>  if s is not empty then
>    put sysError() into tSysError
>    answer "An error occured: "& s &"(" &tSysError& ")"
>    exit to top
>  end if
> end Err
>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>
>
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=======================


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sun Jan 16 07:21:49 2011
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:21:49 +0100
Subject: List of objects in a group ?
Message-ID: <FFA65A1A-CF52-496F-AB7C-27F7C60967DB@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Britanny,

I've looked everywhere in the Dictionary, but
can't find the answer.

I want a list of all the objects (fields and
buttons - by name) in a specific group.

Can I ?

-Francis





From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Jan 16 07:31:08 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:31:08 +0100
Subject: List of objects in a group ?
In-Reply-To: <FFA65A1A-CF52-496F-AB7C-27F7C60967DB@wanadoo.fr>
References: <FFA65A1A-CF52-496F-AB7C-27F7C60967DB@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <F0B2F0C8-200A-436F-97F6-07C24DD16726@economy-x-talk.com>

Francis,

http://runrev.info/Objects%20list.htm

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce

On 16 jan 2011, at 13:21, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> Hi from Beautiful Britanny,
> 
> I've looked everywhere in the Dictionary, but
> can't find the answer.
> 
> I want a list of all the objects (fields and
> buttons - by name) in a specific group.
> 
> Can I ?
> 
> -Francis




From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Jan 16 07:31:53 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:31:53 +0100
Subject: List of objects in a group ?
In-Reply-To: <FFA65A1A-CF52-496F-AB7C-27F7C60967DB@wanadoo.fr>
References: <FFA65A1A-CF52-496F-AB7C-27F7C60967DB@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <ED46D166-D5F0-46A0-A6C1-A4AB8E283395@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Francis,

> Hi from Beautiful Britanny,
> 
> I've looked everywhere in the Dictionary, but
> can't find the answer.
> 
> I want a list of all the objects (fields and
> buttons - by name) in a specific group.
> 
> Can I ?

You can loop through "the num of controls of grp XYZ"
and get "the name of control X of grp XYZ"

Will give you a list like:
button "name of btn 1"
field "whatsoever"
etc...

> -Francis

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 16 08:14:51 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 05:14:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Groups - Lock Size and Position
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinpcJHsDKfmg3pfcS4yDf5TU-vRY1wCS-fhyXdH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <636783.37164.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 1/15/11, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have some groups within a Tab
> Menu.? I am trying to make the tab menu and
> groups scalable based on the size of the stack.? When
> I test this, it keeps
> setting on the lock size and position on for the
> groups.? What would cause
> this when I keep unhiliting the lock size and position of
> the groups?
> 
> I don't have any code within my stack to lock the size.
> 
> Thanks for any help!
> Warren
> 

Hi Warren,

Are you by any chance using the revGeometry manager to reposition and resize your objects? Then it's perfectly normal: a group is normally automatically sized to fit around the contained controls (plus the margins on each side) - but when the geometry manager needs to start moving things around, it could get into some serious conflicts if it doesn't 'lock' the groups beforehand.

If you're not using the geometry manager, then please ignore :-)

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 16 08:17:27 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 05:17:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Printing and RevBrowser
In-Reply-To: <003501cbb430$1f6eb510$5e4c1f30$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <375872.9380.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 1/14/11, Ray Horsley <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> Anybody know how to work this with 'open printing' or even
> better, with with
> 'open printing to PDF'?? My main goal is to suppress
> the print dialog window
> for each call in a repeat loop to revBrowserPrint.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
> 

Hi Ray,

The revBrowser printing mechanism is completely separate from LiveCode's built-in scriptable printing mechanism. It is provided by the underlying web browser, over which we unfortunately don't have much control.

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 16 08:29:39 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 05:29:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiknWWHprXJTM2rDFqHZWH0zye6+ZSViPHdERFSy@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <770597.70089.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 1/11/11, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> This sounds like the same mix of requirements that I think
> will work best
> for a number of developers. That is:
> 
> ???1. Open source libraries that you can use
> freely, modify, and combine
> ???with other peoples source code from the
> community
> ???2. Ensure that accreditation is given to
> the main contributors
> ???3. Give the maximum legal protection to
> the authors - so they can sleep
> ???at night
> 
> But, I think we would agree that we'd also like:
> 
> ???- To allow individuals and commercial
> companies to release software which
> ???combines their own closed code along side
> the above open source - without
> ???forcing them to open their code.
> ???- But to as strongly as possible
> encourage authors to feed back useful
> ???improvements to the core libraries, and
> not simply take the benefits without
> ???contributing back.
> 
> It is that latter two points that tend to contradict each
> other. If you want
> to allow companies the (non-viral) freedom to release
> software that uses the
> library - then you can use a permissive (ie MIT/X11 style)
> license. But then
> this contradicts the second intention - and people can
> easily just take and
> not go to the trouble of feeding back. In this situation
> authors can take
> advantage of dual licensing. I'm not entirely sure, but it
> feels like this
> is the contradiction you are wrestling with?
> 
> As an example of this, I'll be releasing my code under both
> GPL and a closed
> commercial license. Educators, hobbyists and members of the
> community can
> use all of it for free in commercial or non-commercial
> apps, but they must
> publish the full source code of their apps, so that any
> modifications or
> additions can be rolled back into core code by the
> community. This is fully
> viral. However, anyone wishing to include parts or all of
> this code in
> closed apps can do so by taking out a separate closed
> license, which will
> come as one of the benefits of taking out an annual
> subscription to the
> project.
> 
> This can be done on a per-project basis, but I also think
> (for reasons of
> scale), it will be useful to have a general community owned
> project in which
> any commercial revenue is re-invested in new open source
> code paid directly
> to freelance members of the community. This community
> project is what I am
> working on as part of Live Code TV, with the aim of
> launching it at the
> forthcoming conference. A good chunk of it will be the
> legal framework
> needed to make this run smoothly, but there will also be a
> bunch of tools to
> make the sharing as painless and fun as possible.
> 

It does look like we have have little choice if we want strong protection. Like you, I'm leaning towards the xGPL licenses, combined with a closed commercial license.

What worries me about it, is its viral nature in combination with LiveCode. While one could argue that the LiveCode "engine" doesn't have to be GPL, there are a few murky areas regarding the IDE and Externals.

If a stack uses the Geometry manager, and thus needs the revGeometry script to function correctly, should that script also be under a GPL-compatible license? Same question for Externals, can you combine the GPL work with commercial closed externals?

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan 16 10:14:51 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 15:14:51 +0000
Subject: Datagrams: or how to avoid tRev(or)
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=AYq2gB8diXoEO++q0YVd1-_PZJPkD3DkjGL3J@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to implement as robust as possible localhost (possibly later
lan based) socket communication protocol between LiveCode based apps. While
I've done a number of experiments, any can get teh 2 way comms going no
problem - I'd like to do things in a way in which possible clashes with
other apps listening on the same ports is dealt with. For instance I don't
know which port tRev listens on?

AFAIK - this is what Zero Configuration
Networking<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_configuration_networking>is
all about (ie Bonjour). I know there was an unsupported external
knocking
around - but I'm thinking maybe a poor amns version would be possible. On
OSX you cna use
mDNS<http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/mDNS.1.html>I
believe - how about windows, and linux?


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan 16 10:28:32 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 15:28:32 +0000
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
In-Reply-To: <770597.70089.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTiknWWHprXJTM2rDFqHZWH0zye6+ZSViPHdERFSy@mail.gmail.com>
	<770597.70089.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinE-ZXThj7T2U2M3=CRwO-rZzkbMY0JDRoYtx7d@mail.gmail.com>

On 16 January 2011 13:29, Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> It does look like we have have little choice if we want strong protection.
> Like you, I'm leaning towards the xGPL licenses, combined with a closed
> commercial license.
>
> What worries me about it, is its viral nature in combination with LiveCode.
> While one could argue that the LiveCode "engine" doesn't have to be GPL,
> there are a few murky areas regarding the IDE and Externals.
>

It's somewhat murky - as there are no clear cut cases to set legal
precedent. Also the majority of the expertise and online documentation does
not cover scripting languages well. Having chased this down, and asked every
open source lawyer I can over the last few years, it seems that GPL for
scripting languages and closed source engines is fine. The same viral logic
that applies in the domain of low level code, should apply also within the
domain of the scripting language - that is the see legal principles apply,
but these do not extend to the engine or externals.

If a stack uses the Geometry manager, and thus needs the revGeometry script
> to function correctly, should that script also be under a GPL-compatible
> license? Same question for Externals, can you combine the GPL work with
> commercial closed externals?
>

So - unless RunRev licensed the Geometry manager / IDE under a GPL
compatible license, it would not be possible to publish open source GPL code
together with the Geometry manager code. If this were not the case it would
make a nonsense of the entire principle of GPL for scripting languages. With
regard to externals - you would (in the muddy world of GPL and scripting
languages) be OK. This ain't legal advice - just best practice from someone
who keeps asking :)


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 16 10:51:21 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 07:51:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Datagrams: or how to avoid tRev(or)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=AYq2gB8diXoEO++q0YVd1-_PZJPkD3DkjGL3J@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <789121.41178.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 1/16/11, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:
> I would like to implement as robust
> as possible localhost (possibly later
> lan based) socket communication protocol between LiveCode
> based apps. While
> I've done a number of experiments, any can get teh 2 way
> comms going no
> problem - I'd like to do things in a way in which possible
> clashes with
> other apps listening on the same ports is dealt with. For
> instance I don't
> know which port tRev listens on?
> 
> AFAIK - this is what Zero Configuration
> Networking<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_configuration_networking>is
> all about (ie Bonjour). I know there was an unsupported
> external
> knocking
> around - but I'm thinking maybe a poor amns version would
> be possible. On
> OSX you cna use
> mDNS<http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/mDNS.1.html>I
> believe - how about windows, and linux?
> 

For a Java project at work, I've been using JmDNS to enable service discovery over a LAN: <http://jmdns.sourceforge.net/> Since it's pure Java it works on MacOSX, Windows and Linux.

Through process communication, you could manage a Java process running a LiveCodeHelper class that takes care of the registration and discovery of services.

When I find the time, I'll write up a blog post...

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 16 10:56:35 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 07:56:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinE-ZXThj7T2U2M3=CRwO-rZzkbMY0JDRoYtx7d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <138179.57648.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 1/16/11, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:
> On 16 January 2011 13:29, Jan
> Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > It does look like we have have little choice if we
> want strong protection.
> > Like you, I'm leaning towards the xGPL licenses,
> combined with a closed
> > commercial license.
> >
> > What worries me about it, is its viral nature in
> combination with LiveCode.
> > While one could argue that the LiveCode "engine"
> doesn't have to be GPL,
> > there are a few murky areas regarding the IDE and
> Externals.
> >
> 
> It's somewhat murky - as there are no clear cut cases to
> set legal
> precedent. Also the majority of the expertise and online
> documentation does
> not cover scripting languages well. Having chased this
> down, and asked every
> open source lawyer I can over the last few years, it seems
> that GPL for
> scripting languages and closed source engines is fine. The
> same viral logic
> that applies in the domain of low level code, should apply
> also within the
> domain of the scripting language - that is the see legal
> principles apply,
> but these do not extend to the engine or externals.
> 
> If a stack uses the Geometry manager, and thus needs the
> revGeometry script
> > to function correctly, should that script also be
> under a GPL-compatible
> > license? Same question for Externals, can you combine
> the GPL work with
> > commercial closed externals?
> >
> 
> So - unless RunRev licensed the Geometry manager / IDE
> under a GPL
> compatible license, it would not be possible to publish
> open source GPL code
> together with the Geometry manager code. If this were not
> the case it would
> make a nonsense of the entire principle of GPL for
> scripting languages. With
> regard to externals - you would (in the muddy world of GPL
> and scripting
> languages) be OK. This ain't legal advice - just best
> practice from someone
> who keeps asking :)
> 

Heh, I'm also curious about these things and want to make sure I take the right decision - and the only way to find out is by asking questions :-)

So, assuming the Engine and Externals are OK, should we ask RunRev HQ for an official definition of the license of the IDE and script libraries? Hopefully one that is GPL-compatible?

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan 16 11:06:59 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:06:59 +0000
Subject: Shell from a folder
Message-ID: <AANLkTimFO7TLQawvcrENDrj=88PG5BvYJRkMuX4mSd0s@mail.gmail.com>

I'm wandering if there is any relationship between "the defaultfolder" and
where the "shell" function effectively operates from? I thought there was
but it seems not... to get the same result as I would get from the command
line I have to:

      shell_BashParamEscape pExecuteWhere

   *put* "cd" && pExecuteWhere && "&&" & space before someShell

   *put* someShell

   *put* shell (someShell) into shellResult



   /*

   -- this does not seem to work

   put the defaultfolder into oFolder

   set the defaultfolder to pExecuteWhere

   put shell (someShell) into shellResult

   set the defaultfolder to oFolder

   */



Is there a more elegant way?


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan 16 11:10:28 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:10:28 +0000
Subject: Datagrams: or how to avoid tRev(or)
In-Reply-To: <789121.41178.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTi=AYq2gB8diXoEO++q0YVd1-_PZJPkD3DkjGL3J@mail.gmail.com>
	<789121.41178.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTing2vqfF00cd5JQH_4k5F_q9poj6Yjz6xhf-Lpc@mail.gmail.com>

On 16 January 2011 15:51, Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> For a Java project at work, I've been using JmDNS to enable service
> discovery over a LAN: <http://jmdns.sourceforge.net/> Since it's pure Java
> it works on MacOSX, Windows and Linux.
>
> Through process communication, you could manage a Java process running a
> LiveCodeHelper class that takes care of the registration and discovery of
> services.
>
> When I find the time, I'll write up a blog post...


That would be great Jan - would love to see this!


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 11:16:26 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:16:26 -0800
Subject: Import Snapshot Broken in 4.5.3?
In-Reply-To: <C95491AA.50193%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C95491AA.50193%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <2AD314BF-D6E9-4C17-BCA9-D47EF07D13DE@gmail.com>

Thanks. As usual, I discovered this for myself in the dictionary about  
4 minutes after I hit the "send" button. Another way that this list is  
useful for learning -- all I need to do is post a question and then I  
find that I already have the answer! Apparently I inadvertently  
installed an LC-uselist external in my brain. Did you create that  
utility too, Scott?

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Hi Peter:
>
> "the selObj" is short for "the selectedObject".  It returns the long  
> id of
> whatever object is selected.  Like other LC functions, you must  
> either use
> the form "the xyz" or "xyz()".  In this case, both "the selObj" and
> "selObj()" are the correct forms.
>
> I found that the script works as expected when run from a control on  
> the
> current card, but fails when run from the message box, so it seems  
> something
> has broken in recent versions of the message box's script processing.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
>
> Recently, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
>
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>
>>> Houston, I think we have a problem.
>>>
>>> This script works in LC (Rev) 4 OS X but generates an error in  
>>> 4.5.3:
>>> import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj
>>>
>>> Message execution error:
>>> Error description: value: error executing expression
>>> Hint: import snapshot from rect (rect of the selobj) of the selobj
>>
>> I must be missing something: the the syntax "rect of the selobj"  
>> seems
>> to be what you would use for a LC property. If selobj is a variable
>> then this would not be expected to work, and if it's a customprop  
>> then
>> it should be "rect of the selobj of this stack" or some such. If on
>> the other hand selobj contains a long id then shouldn't you use "rect
>> of selobj" ? As it stands now, this is new syntax to me....
>>
>> -- Peter
>>
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
>
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan 16 11:19:37 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:19:37 +0000
Subject: Creative Common Copyright Notice in Standalones
In-Reply-To: <138179.57648.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTinE-ZXThj7T2U2M3=CRwO-rZzkbMY0JDRoYtx7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<138179.57648.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik8bVrnu_r7psO2bN--vyL6ymEW5hUv3MyTrLHF@mail.gmail.com>

On 16 January 2011 15:56, Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Heh, I'm also curious about these things and want to make sure I take the
> right decision - and the only way to find out is by asking questions :-)
>
> So, assuming the Engine and Externals are OK, should we ask RunRev HQ for
> an official definition of the license of the IDE and script libraries?
> Hopefully one that is GPL-compatible?


I'm talking to Kevin this week about these issues, particularly with regard
to Creative Commons licensing of the documentation. I'm trying to work out,
and therefore recommend, the best combination of licensing and workflow to
match their commercial concerns while enabling as much shared community code
creation as possible. There is no official position on this as yet -
certainly if you were to write up your needs in this area it would help
inform a decision?


From bvg at mac.com  Sun Jan 16 11:20:47 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:20:47 +0100
Subject: Shell from a folder
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimFO7TLQawvcrENDrj=88PG5BvYJRkMuX4mSd0s@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimFO7TLQawvcrENDrj=88PG5BvYJRkMuX4mSd0s@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F24706D-6546-48DD-983A-48ECBDE21C0F@mac.com>

answer folder ""
set the defaultfolder to it
put shell(ls)

The result changes depending on what folder i specify. so it works fine for me. Therefore I assume a scripting error on your part :P

On 16 Jan 2011, at 17:06, David Bovill wrote:

> I'm wandering if there is any relationship between "the defaultfolder" and
> where the "shell" function effectively operates from? I thought there was
> but it seems not... to get the same result as I would get from the command
> line I have to:
> 
>      shell_BashParamEscape pExecuteWhere
> 
>   *put* "cd" && pExecuteWhere && "&&" & space before someShell
> 
>   *put* someShell
> 
>   *put* shell (someShell) into shellResult
> 
> 
> 
>   /*
> 
>   -- this does not seem to work
> 
>   put the defaultfolder into oFolder
> 
>   set the defaultfolder to pExecuteWhere
> 
>   put shell (someShell) into shellResult
> 
>   set the defaultfolder to oFolder
> 
>   */
> 
> 
> 
> Is there a more elegant way?
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan 16 11:31:54 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:31:54 +0000
Subject: Shell from a folder
In-Reply-To: <6F24706D-6546-48DD-983A-48ECBDE21C0F@mac.com>
References: <AANLkTimFO7TLQawvcrENDrj=88PG5BvYJRkMuX4mSd0s@mail.gmail.com>
	<6F24706D-6546-48DD-983A-48ECBDE21C0F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik7ENcEJo=5qmYgV=2HKCd4tgj4Et5Nqip3kpA_@mail.gmail.com>

Yes - my mistake (there was a bug in my code) - the defaultfolder does
indeed change the effective place the shell command is called from.

2011/1/16 Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com>

> answer folder ""
> set the defaultfolder to it
> put shell(ls)
>
> The result changes depending on what folder i specify. so it works fine for
> me. Therefore I assume a scripting error on your part :P
>
> On 16 Jan 2011, at 17:06, David Bovill wrote:
>
> > I'm wandering if there is any relationship between "the defaultfolder"
> and
> > where the "shell" function effectively operates from? I thought there was
> > but it seems not... to get the same result as I would get from the
> command
> > line I have to:
> >
> >      shell_BashParamEscape pExecuteWhere
> >
> >   *put* "cd" && pExecuteWhere && "&&" & space before someShell
> >
> >   *put* someShell
> >
> >   *put* shell (someShell) into shellResult
> >
> >
> >
> >   /*
> >
> >   -- this does not seem to work
> >
> >   put the defaultfolder into oFolder
> >
> >   set the defaultfolder to pExecuteWhere
> >
> >   put shell (someShell) into shellResult
> >
> >   set the defaultfolder to oFolder
> >
> >   */
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there a more elegant way?
> > _______________________________________________
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From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sun Jan 16 12:27:42 2011
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:27:42 +0100
Subject: List of objects in a group ?
Message-ID: <8BFFDBB1-A3A4-4BD9-824C-F79882568C08@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Britanny,

Thanks Mark,
Thanks Klaus.

.. Always something new to learn with you guys !

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan 16 12:41:52 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:41:52 -0800
Subject: Datagrams: or how to avoid tRev(or)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=AYq2gB8diXoEO++q0YVd1-_PZJPkD3DkjGL3J@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=AYq2gB8diXoEO++q0YVd1-_PZJPkD3DkjGL3J@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1063298359.20110116094152@ahsoftware.net>

David-

Sunday, January 16, 2011, 7:14:51 AM, you wrote:

> I would like to implement as robust as possible localhost (possibly later
> lan based) socket communication protocol between LiveCode based apps. While
> I've done a number of experiments, any can get teh 2 way comms going no
> problem - I'd like to do things in a way in which possible clashes with
> other apps listening on the same ports is dealt with. For instance I don't
> know which port tRev listens on?

I'm using port 44553 for PowerDebug. Maybe there should be a registry
somewhere... revInterop?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 14:07:04 2011
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:07:04 -0600
Subject: Groups - Lock Size and Position
In-Reply-To: <636783.37164.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTinpcJHsDKfmg3pfcS4yDf5TU-vRY1wCS-fhyXdH@mail.gmail.com>
	<636783.37164.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimrVyv6ZmoNPeV5LvKyXMaWtQ1FphreyRhrG=rC@mail.gmail.com>

Jan,

Thanks for the explanation.  I am using the revGeometry Manager.  I had this
working at some point to resize my objects when my stack was resized.  Now
it doesn't seem to be working.  I thought it had something to do with the
groups locking the size...but obviously there seems to be another issue.

Warren

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have some groups within a Tab
> > Menu.  I am trying to make the tab menu and
> > groups scalable based on the size of the stack.  When
> > I test this, it keeps
> > setting on the lock size and position on for the
> > groups.  What would cause
> > this when I keep unhiliting the lock size and position of
> > the groups?
> >
> > I don't have any code within my stack to lock the size.
> >
> > Thanks for any help!
> > Warren
> >
>
> Hi Warren,
>
> Are you by any chance using the revGeometry manager to reposition and
> resize your objects? Then it's perfectly normal: a group is normally
> automatically sized to fit around the contained controls (plus the margins
> on each side) - but when the geometry manager needs to start moving things
> around, it could get into some serious conflicts if it doesn't 'lock' the
> groups beforehand.
>
> If you're not using the geometry manager, then please ignore :-)
>
> Jan Schenkel.
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
> www.quartam.com
>
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."
>  (La Rochefoucauld)
>
>
>
>
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 16 14:28:49 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:28:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Datagrams: or how to avoid tRev(or)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTing2vqfF00cd5JQH_4k5F_q9poj6Yjz6xhf-Lpc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <160284.69012.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 1/16/11, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:
> On 16 January 2011 15:51, Jan
> Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >
> > For a Java project at work, I've been using JmDNS to
> enable service
> > discovery over a LAN: <http://jmdns.sourceforge.net/> Since it's pure Java
> > it works on MacOSX, Windows and Linux.
> >
> > Through process communication, you could manage a Java
> process running a
> > LiveCodeHelper class that takes care of the
> registration and discovery of
> > services.
> >
> > When I find the time, I'll write up a blog post...
> 
> 
> That would be great Jan - would love to see this!
> 

Well, I figured I had better do it right away, so here it is:
<http://quartam.blogspot.com/2011/01/zeroconfbonjour-in-livecode-with-jmdns.html>

HTH,

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 14:37:58 2011
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:37:58 -0600
Subject: Groups - Lock Size and Position
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimrVyv6ZmoNPeV5LvKyXMaWtQ1FphreyRhrG=rC@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinpcJHsDKfmg3pfcS4yDf5TU-vRY1wCS-fhyXdH@mail.gmail.com>
	<636783.37164.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTimrVyv6ZmoNPeV5LvKyXMaWtQ1FphreyRhrG=rC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinc-Njwgi=GcqFv30sf2zu7xVsabcgi=a1oHxph@mail.gmail.com>

I just found a script online that takes care of everything I was trying to
do with revGeometry Manager...

http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/GeomScript.rev

Kudos to the person that wrote this script (and published www.troz.net).
 For someone with my limited RunRev ability, this script took me 5 minutes
to get what I require as opposed to 2 days of messing with revGeometry.

Hope everyone is having a great weekend!
Warren


On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jan,
>
> Thanks for the explanation.  I am using the revGeometry Manager.  I had
> this working at some point to resize my objects when my stack was resized.
>  Now it doesn't seem to be working.  I thought it had something to do with
> the groups locking the size...but obviously there seems to be another issue.
>
> Warren
>
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I have some groups within a Tab
>> > Menu.  I am trying to make the tab menu and
>> > groups scalable based on the size of the stack.  When
>> > I test this, it keeps
>> > setting on the lock size and position on for the
>> > groups.  What would cause
>> > this when I keep unhiliting the lock size and position of
>> > the groups?
>> >
>> > I don't have any code within my stack to lock the size.
>> >
>> > Thanks for any help!
>> > Warren
>> >
>>
>> Hi Warren,
>>
>> Are you by any chance using the revGeometry manager to reposition and
>> resize your objects? Then it's perfectly normal: a group is normally
>> automatically sized to fit around the contained controls (plus the margins
>> on each side) - but when the geometry manager needs to start moving things
>> around, it could get into some serious conflicts if it doesn't 'lock' the
>> groups beforehand.
>>
>> If you're not using the geometry manager, then please ignore :-)
>>
>> Jan Schenkel.
>> =====
>> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
>> www.quartam.com
>>
>> =====
>> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."
>>  (La Rochefoucauld)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>
>


From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sun Jan 16 14:56:50 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:56:50 -0800
Subject: Copying Objects from one card to another
Message-ID: <141AC79C-51EA-453D-8631-E53570409625@mollysrevenge.com>

I'm trying to copy a number of objects from one card to another by selecting them all on the source card, copy, then paste them onto the destination card.  On the destination card, they all end up stacked up on top of each other instead of in the same positions as on the source card.  The destination card is big enough to hold all of them.

What am I doing wrong?

Pete Haworth











From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan 16 15:10:14 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:10:14 -0800
Subject: Datagrams: or how to avoid tRev(or)
In-Reply-To: <160284.69012.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <160284.69012.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <11612200562.20110116121014@ahsoftware.net>

Jan-

Sunday, January 16, 2011, 11:28:49 AM, you wrote:

> Well, I figured I had better do it right away, so here it is:
> <http://quartam.blogspot.com/2011/01/zeroconfbonjour-in-livecode-with-jmdns.html>

Awesome! Thanks. Bookmarked...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 15:41:36 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:41:36 -0700
Subject: Copying Objects from one card to another
In-Reply-To: <141AC79C-51EA-453D-8631-E53570409625@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <141AC79C-51EA-453D-8631-E53570409625@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin10gjs6zWkhvNdiQXyCM_8j8fkYbHZsYnyJ-DQ@mail.gmail.com>

The objects are placed into the clipboard without location data is my guess.
so when you paste them back in, they just get dumped onto the new card.

Could try, grouping them, then using place to place them on the new card,
then if needed, ungroup from the first card.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com>wrote:

> I'm trying to copy a number of objects from one card to another by
> selecting them all on the source card, copy, then paste them onto the
> destination card.  On the destination card, they all end up stacked up on
> top of each other instead of in the same positions as on the source card.
>  The destination card is big enough to hold all of them.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Pete Haworth
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 16 15:54:17 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:54:17 -0600
Subject: Copying Objects from one card to another
In-Reply-To: <141AC79C-51EA-453D-8631-E53570409625@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <141AC79C-51EA-453D-8631-E53570409625@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <4D335AF9.5080805@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/16/11 1:56 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> I'm trying to copy a number of objects from one card to another by
> selecting them all on the source card, copy, then paste them onto the
> destination card.  On the destination card, they all end up stacked
> up on top of each other instead of in the same positions as on the
> source card.

Try looping through all the objects and use this syntax:

   copy <obj reference> to <dest reference>

For example:

   copy btn 1 of this cd of stack "source" to cd 2 of stack "destination"

That will retain the location.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan 16 17:00:03 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:00:03 +0000
Subject: umask
Message-ID: <AANLkTimC1Vn_ebNUhskJ=rreYjg=X5BFUjbY1cd1pjfM@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know if the umask works on OSX / anymore - I used it years ago
on Linux, but no idea if it works on OSX (dictionary say it dos not).

      *set* the umask to 555

   *put* the tempname & ".sh" into shellFile

   *put* someShell into url ("file:" & shellFile)

   *set* the umask to 0



I guess I'll have to use chmod +x shell command?


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 18:00:29 2011
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:00:29 +1000
Subject: Groups - Lock Size and Position
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinc-Njwgi=GcqFv30sf2zu7xVsabcgi=a1oHxph@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinpcJHsDKfmg3pfcS4yDf5TU-vRY1wCS-fhyXdH@mail.gmail.com>
	<636783.37164.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTimrVyv6ZmoNPeV5LvKyXMaWtQ1FphreyRhrG=rC@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinc-Njwgi=GcqFv30sf2zu7xVsabcgi=a1oHxph@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinjVRChPZBE_io0Ww8TKBdt4rQphqNQVoHNaeix@mail.gmail.com>

You're welcome :-)

Sarah


On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just found a script online that takes care of everything I was trying to
> do with revGeometry Manager...
>
> http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/GeomScript.rev
>
> Kudos to the person that wrote this script (and published www.troz.net).
>  For someone with my limited RunRev ability, this script took me 5 minutes
> to get what I require as opposed to 2 days of messing with revGeometry.
>
> Hope everyone is having a great weekend!
> Warren
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jan,
> >
> > Thanks for the explanation.  I am using the revGeometry Manager.  I had
> > this working at some point to resize my objects when my stack was
> resized.
> >  Now it doesn't seem to be working.  I thought it had something to do
> with
> > the groups locking the size...but obviously there seems to be another
> issue.
> >
> > Warren
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I have some groups within a Tab
> >> > Menu.  I am trying to make the tab menu and
> >> > groups scalable based on the size of the stack.  When
> >> > I test this, it keeps
> >> > setting on the lock size and position on for the
> >> > groups.  What would cause
> >> > this when I keep unhiliting the lock size and position of
> >> > the groups?
> >> >
> >> > I don't have any code within my stack to lock the size.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for any help!
> >> > Warren
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hi Warren,
> >>
> >> Are you by any chance using the revGeometry manager to reposition and
> >> resize your objects? Then it's perfectly normal: a group is normally
> >> automatically sized to fit around the contained controls (plus the
> margins
> >> on each side) - but when the geometry manager needs to start moving
> things
> >> around, it could get into some serious conflicts if it doesn't 'lock'
> the
> >> groups beforehand.
> >>
> >> If you're not using the geometry manager, then please ignore :-)
> >>
> >> Jan Schenkel.
> >> =====
> >> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
> >> www.quartam.com
> >>
> >> =====
> >> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same
> time."
> >>  (La Rochefoucauld)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >
> >
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 18:19:46 2011
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:19:46 +1000
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
>
> I am having trouble accessing an Arduino Uno attached to my computer via USB.
>
> The device driver shows up as "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21"
>
> I tried a simple open driver then read from driver then close driver. But Livecode keeps crashing or worse my computer panics and dies.
>
When you get the driverNames, you should get?a list of lines with
three comma-separated items per line. Here is a sample of what I get
with a KeySpan USB-serial adapter connected:

KeySerial1,/dev/tty.KeySerial1,/dev/cu.KeySerial1
USA28X1a2P1.1,/dev/tty.USA28X1a2P1.1,/dev/cu.USA28X1a2P1.1
USA28X1a2P2.2,/dev/tty.USA28X1a2P2.2,/dev/cu.USA28X1a2P2.2
Bluetooth-PDA-Sync,/dev/tty.Bluetooth-PDA-Sync,/dev/cu.Bluetooth-PDA-Sync

The one you need to use to connect is the 3rd item i.e. the one
starting with /dev/cu. instead of /dev/tty.

While LiveCode cannot communicate directly with a USB port, it appears
that the Arduino is providing a serial port, so this should work fine.

On my web site, there is a serial test stack
<http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/SerialTest.rev> that might help you
diagnose the connection issues.

Cheers,
Sarah



From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 19:06:26 2011
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:06:26 -0600
Subject: Groups - Lock Size and Position
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinjVRChPZBE_io0Ww8TKBdt4rQphqNQVoHNaeix@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinpcJHsDKfmg3pfcS4yDf5TU-vRY1wCS-fhyXdH@mail.gmail.com>
	<636783.37164.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTimrVyv6ZmoNPeV5LvKyXMaWtQ1FphreyRhrG=rC@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinc-Njwgi=GcqFv30sf2zu7xVsabcgi=a1oHxph@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinjVRChPZBE_io0Ww8TKBdt4rQphqNQVoHNaeix@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim+9kiQGsDL9O1_ia7gnKgC+HBWvfLP-iscJx0p@mail.gmail.com>

Sarah,

I didn't realize this was your site/script.  But you have no idea how much
time you saved me with this.  Thanks again...much appreciated!

Warren

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>wrote:

> You're welcome :-)
>
> Sarah
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I just found a script online that takes care of everything I was trying
> to
> > do with revGeometry Manager...
> >
> > http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/GeomScript.rev
> >
> > Kudos to the person that wrote this script (and published www.troz.net).
> >  For someone with my limited RunRev ability, this script took me 5
> minutes
> > to get what I require as opposed to 2 days of messing with revGeometry.
> >
> > Hope everyone is having a great weekend!
> > Warren
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Jan,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the explanation.  I am using the revGeometry Manager.  I had
> > > this working at some point to resize my objects when my stack was
> > resized.
> > >  Now it doesn't seem to be working.  I thought it had something to do
> > with
> > > the groups locking the size...but obviously there seems to be another
> > issue.
> > >
> > > Warren
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > I have some groups within a Tab
> > >> > Menu.  I am trying to make the tab menu and
> > >> > groups scalable based on the size of the stack.  When
> > >> > I test this, it keeps
> > >> > setting on the lock size and position on for the
> > >> > groups.  What would cause
> > >> > this when I keep unhiliting the lock size and position of
> > >> > the groups?
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't have any code within my stack to lock the size.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks for any help!
> > >> > Warren
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Hi Warren,
> > >>
> > >> Are you by any chance using the revGeometry manager to reposition and
> > >> resize your objects? Then it's perfectly normal: a group is normally
> > >> automatically sized to fit around the contained controls (plus the
> > margins
> > >> on each side) - but when the geometry manager needs to start moving
> > things
> > >> around, it could get into some serious conflicts if it doesn't 'lock'
> > the
> > >> groups beforehand.
> > >>
> > >> If you're not using the geometry manager, then please ignore :-)
> > >>
> > >> Jan Schenkel.
> > >> =====
> > >> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
> > >> www.quartam.com
> > >>
> > >> =====
> > >> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same
> > time."
> > >>  (La Rochefoucauld)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> use-livecode mailing list
> > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > >> subscription preferences:
> > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 16 23:37:00 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 23:37:00 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>

The dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 does not show up in the list using the SerialTest.rev stack.

It does show up in the Arduino software Serial list. Also in the Arduino you have to use the tty.usbmodem1a21. Also when you plug the Arduino in the Mac detects a new modem and asks to set it up in Internet preferences pane. hit apply and then it shows up in Arduino.

When i use marks make board software the /dev/cu.usbmodem1a21 does show up or at least when I took out just that part of his code that searches the drivers.

	put OSXDeviceNames() into tFiles
   	filter tFiles WITH "/dev/cu.usbmodem*"

Sorta stuck now figuring this out.

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 16, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am having trouble accessing an Arduino Uno attached to my computer via USB.
>> 
>> The device driver shows up as "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21"
>> 
>> I tried a simple open driver then read from driver then close driver. But Livecode keeps crashing or worse my computer panics and dies.
>> 
> When you get the driverNames, you should get a list of lines with
> three comma-separated items per line. Here is a sample of what I get
> with a KeySpan USB-serial adapter connected:
> 
> KeySerial1,/dev/tty.KeySerial1,/dev/cu.KeySerial1
> USA28X1a2P1.1,/dev/tty.USA28X1a2P1.1,/dev/cu.USA28X1a2P1.1
> USA28X1a2P2.2,/dev/tty.USA28X1a2P2.2,/dev/cu.USA28X1a2P2.2
> Bluetooth-PDA-Sync,/dev/tty.Bluetooth-PDA-Sync,/dev/cu.Bluetooth-PDA-Sync
> 
> The one you need to use to connect is the 3rd item i.e. the one
> starting with /dev/cu. instead of /dev/tty.
> 
> While LiveCode cannot communicate directly with a USB port, it appears
> that the Arduino is providing a serial port, so this should work fine.
> 
> On my web site, there is a serial test stack
> <http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/SerialTest.rev> that might help you
> diagnose the connection issues.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 16 23:51:27 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 23:51:27 -0500
Subject: ssh on-rev.com
Message-ID: <17F5C027-1AF0-41C8-ABE0-8710C55E854C@mac.com>

Anyone know if ssh with on-rev.com works from the terminal?

I keep getting rejected and I don't know if that's because I am using the wrong sign in or that on-rev does not allow this.

PS This is for using Processing PDE (processing.org) A graphical interface that works along side of Arduino (which is based off of Processing).


I am working through a great book "Making Things Talk" Tom Igoe - O'Reilly -


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net




From kee at kagi.com  Sun Jan 16 23:58:56 2011
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:58:56 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <81B15A9D-795E-497F-B51E-0041388A12E4@kagi.com>

would love to talk to Arduino via Livecode. Too bad it does not work.
Kee Nethery






From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Mon Jan 17 00:05:45 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 00:05:45 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <81B15A9D-795E-497F-B51E-0041388A12E4@kagi.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>
	<81B15A9D-795E-497F-B51E-0041388A12E4@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <5FF426D1-6E6D-4E00-93DD-7EBB4BD45399@mac.com>

Some programs OSC use Processing to talk through to the Arduino. Still trying to figure this out.

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 16, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Kee Nethery wrote:

> would love to talk to Arduino via Livecode. Too bad it does not work.
> Kee Nethery
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 00:10:17 2011
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:10:17 +1000
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinpKB9NZi9KodH1U8oEkCRxTjuOb_NZ9hQ9XnFT@mail.gmail.com>

Are there drivers? For KeySpan and other USB serial adapters, you have
to install the drivers before they will work properly.

Cheers,
Sarah


On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
> The dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 does not show up in the list using the SerialTest.rev stack.
>
> It does show up in the Arduino software Serial list. Also in the Arduino you have to use the tty.usbmodem1a21. Also when you plug the Arduino in the Mac detects a new modem and asks to set it up in Internet preferences pane. hit apply and then it shows up in Arduino.
>
> When i use marks make board software the /dev/cu.usbmodem1a21 does show up or at least when I took out just that part of his code that searches the drivers.
>
> ? ? ? ?put OSXDeviceNames() into tFiles
> ? ? ? ?filter tFiles WITH "/dev/cu.usbmodem*"
>
> Sorta stuck now figuring this out.
>
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> On Jan 16, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am having trouble accessing an Arduino Uno attached to my computer via USB.
>>>
>>> The device driver shows up as "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21"
>>>
>>> I tried a simple open driver then read from driver then close driver. But Livecode keeps crashing or worse my computer panics and dies.
>>>
>> When you get the driverNames, you should get a list of lines with
>> three comma-separated items per line. Here is a sample of what I get
>> with a KeySpan USB-serial adapter connected:
>>
>> KeySerial1,/dev/tty.KeySerial1,/dev/cu.KeySerial1
>> USA28X1a2P1.1,/dev/tty.USA28X1a2P1.1,/dev/cu.USA28X1a2P1.1
>> USA28X1a2P2.2,/dev/tty.USA28X1a2P2.2,/dev/cu.USA28X1a2P2.2
>> Bluetooth-PDA-Sync,/dev/tty.Bluetooth-PDA-Sync,/dev/cu.Bluetooth-PDA-Sync
>>
>> The one you need to use to connect is the 3rd item i.e. the one
>> starting with /dev/cu. instead of /dev/tty.
>>
>> While LiveCode cannot communicate directly with a USB port, it appears
>> that the Arduino is providing a serial port, so this should work fine.
>>
>> On my web site, there is a serial test stack
>> <http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/SerialTest.rev> that might help you
>> diagnose the connection issues.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 00:31:42 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 01:31:42 -0400
Subject: Using Shell to run a DOS program
Message-ID: <AANLkTinXBdyv4u48-Y39vopRWmvZgKmHWGhh-rvP=Dyt@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have been trying, without sucess, to run
the program CRC32.EXE using Shell
from LiveCode.

This is the code that I am using:

put "C:\crc32.exe CRC32INPUT >CRC32OUTPUT.txt" into tCommand
set the hideconsolewindows to true
get shell (tCommand)
get URL "file:C:\CRC32OUTPUT.txt "
put it

Notice that I had already created the files
named CRC32INPUT and CRC32OUTPUT.txt

On the command prompt it works,
but not inside LiveCode.

I am testing this using Rev 2.8 and 4.0
using this DOS program
http://www34.brinkster.com/dizzyk/download/crc32.zip

downloaded from this page:
http://www34.brinkster.com/dizzyk/crc32.asp

Thanks in advance!

Al



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 17 01:06:57 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 00:06:57 -0600
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>	<AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4D33DC81.3040805@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/16/11 10:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> The dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 does not show up in the list using the
> SerialTest.rev stack.
>
> It does show up in the Arduino software Serial list. Also in the
> Arduino you have to use the tty.usbmodem1a21. Also when you plug the
> Arduino in the Mac detects a new modem and asks to set it up in
> Internet preferences pane. hit apply and then it shows up in
> Arduino.

If the Mac thinks it's a modem, I'd try using "open file" as Mark 
Waddingham suggested. Specify "modem:" and set the serialControlString. 
He did mention that the drivernames aren't always accurate on OS X.

If that doesn't work, use "open file" with the "/dev/" path. I'm not 
sure which path would work, I guess you'd need to test them all. 
Basically the one that works in Terminal should work in LiveCode.

Did you try talking to it in Terminal? Does that work?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 17 01:07:55 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 00:07:55 -0600
Subject: ssh on-rev.com
In-Reply-To: <17F5C027-1AF0-41C8-ABE0-8710C55E854C@mac.com>
References: <17F5C027-1AF0-41C8-ABE0-8710C55E854C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4D33DCBB.8080005@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/16/11 10:51 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> Anyone know if ssh with on-rev.com works from the terminal?

I'm not positive, but I think you may have to ask support to set that up 
for you. I don't think SSH is turned on by default.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com  Mon Jan 17 02:44:43 2011
From: th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com (Thierry)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:44:43 +0100
Subject: umask
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimC1Vn_ebNUhskJ=rreYjg=X5BFUjbY1cd1pjfM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimC1Vn_ebNUhskJ=rreYjg=X5BFUjbY1cd1pjfM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A9473311-E57B-4E66-8E6D-B998C4BF1B0C@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 16 janv. 2011 ? 23:00, David Bovill a ?crit :

> Does anyone know if the umask works on OSX / anymore - I used it years ago
> on Linux, but no idea if it works on OSX (dictionary say it dos not).

Well, better  try all these commands in a terminal and
you'll know quickly :

in a terminal do :

> echo 123 > test

> umask 666
> echo 345 > test2

> ls -l test*
-rw-rw-rw-   1 tdz  staff     4 17 jan 08:38 test
----------   1 tdz  staff     4 17 jan 08:38 test2

I did this in a shell with the terminal app., and on a Mac !
So ,the answer is YES :)

MacOsX is a Unix based system, most of the shell commands
are there... with subtle differences from Unix to Unix to Linux versions,
but most of the time, it just works the same.

Regards,
Thierry




From rene.micout at numericable.com  Mon Jan 17 04:24:25 2011
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:24:25 +0100
Subject: ssh on-rev.com
In-Reply-To: <17F5C027-1AF0-41C8-ABE0-8710C55E854C@mac.com>
References: <17F5C027-1AF0-41C8-ABE0-8710C55E854C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E295986A-48F1-4715-B07E-9559A3FE559C@numericable.com>

No information but I am also very interested by the subject...
Rene(?)

Le 17 janv. 2011 ? 05:51, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :

> Anyone know if ssh with on-rev.com works from the terminal?
> 
> I keep getting rejected and I don't know if that's because I am using the wrong sign in or that on-rev does not allow this.
> 
> PS This is for using Processing PDE (processing.org) A graphical interface that works along side of Arduino (which is based off of Processing).
> 
> 
> I am working through a great book "Making Things Talk" Tom Igoe - O'Reilly -
> 
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> 
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From th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com  Mon Jan 17 05:19:55 2011
From: th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com (Thierry)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:19:55 +0100
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <4D2F2208.9080901@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D2F2208.9080901@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <ED2C6673-2EFD-4A00-844E-1A7B8BC88D0F@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 13 janv. 2011 ? 17:02, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :

> How did you do that for any objects other than images?

Hi Richard,

Well, it's a big topic. :)

First, I used this approach in all my *industrial* projects,
as BioArchimed  for instance - can see it on my web pages.

For the sake of the story,
I had to do that to be able to win some contracts.
( software quality and version control needed  )

and being a proponent of OOP and MVC,
this should be put into perspective too, as I guess
it avoids part of the ids syndrome.

The main idea is to make a proxy of the LC project
organized in a data tree, which contains my own object's definition.

Then build a new version of a stack by processing this tree,
roughly as a preprocessor like we have in C, with #include, #define pragmas.

That's it... 
plus obviously some organisation for the project which makes all the difference.

As another example, in my external rev2perl,
where Perl can deal with any LiveCode's objects in real time,
it's more or less the same concept : a Proxy designed as a tree.

And last, from year to year working with
Hypercard, Director, Metacard and Livecode,
I have organized my work in such a way that
I'm very rarely stuck with this IDs syndrome...

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should,
and it certainly doesn't mean it's appropriate to do it all the time.
That said,  I'm using a subset of LiveCode,  and again, maybe I've never passed
through some pitfalls that others could have experienced because of .... ?


Factory Design Pattern is my friend !
Go and Meet the Gang of 4 :)


Regards,
Thierry





From th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com  Mon Jan 17 05:26:26 2011
From: th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com (Thierry)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:26:26 +0100
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <56747133187.20110113184826@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4D2F2208.9080901@fourthworld.com>
	<56747133187.20110113184826@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <646D9BF4-B0C9-46E4-A358-ED6D84E9114A@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 14 janv. 2011 ? 03:48, Mark Wieder a ?crit :

> Richard-
> 
> Thursday, January 13, 2011, 8:02:16 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> How did you do that for any objects other than images?
> 
> It can be done, but it's *really* ugly. Determine the ID you want to
> create (it's best to create a numerically-sorted list if you're doing
> more than one), then start creating and deleting objects until you've
> created one with an ID one less than that. Then go ahead and create
> your new object. Rinse and repeat.

Hi Mark,

I've done that once a long time ago, but can't remember
why I stopped going this way....

Didn't find it so ugly at this time :)

Regards,
Thierry




From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Mon Jan 17 05:32:01 2011
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:32:01 -0000
Subject: Scripter's Scrapbook for Linux pre-release
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1294855201.16194.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONIEMICKAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>

A pre-release beta that supports Linux is available for review.

If you are a registered user and would like a copy, please contact me off
list.

Hugh Senior
FLCo




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Jan 17 06:52:51 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:52:51 +0100
Subject: Using Shell to run a DOS program
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinXBdyv4u48-Y39vopRWmvZgKmHWGhh-rvP=Dyt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXBdyv4u48-Y39vopRWmvZgKmHWGhh-rvP=Dyt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <75229CD1-A84B-49AA-BC60-E7A1AE0371E6@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Alejandro,

Are you sure that the file name should contain an additional space?

> "file:C:\CRC32OUTPUT.txt "

You give very little information. Does crc32 do anything at all when called from LiveCode? Errors? Files created? Anything? Nothing?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce

On 17 jan 2011, at 06:31, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have been trying, without sucess, to run
> the program CRC32.EXE using Shell
> from LiveCode.
> 
> This is the code that I am using:
> 
> put "C:\crc32.exe CRC32INPUT >CRC32OUTPUT.txt" into tCommand
> set the hideconsolewindows to true
> get shell (tCommand)
> get URL "file:C:\CRC32OUTPUT.txt "
> put it
> 
> Notice that I had already created the files
> named CRC32INPUT and CRC32OUTPUT.txt
> 
> On the command prompt it works,
> but not inside LiveCode.
> 
> I am testing this using Rev 2.8 and 4.0
> using this DOS program
> http://www34.brinkster.com/dizzyk/download/crc32.zip
> 
> downloaded from this page:
> http://www34.brinkster.com/dizzyk/crc32.asp
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Al




From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 17 07:27:41 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:27:41 -0200
Subject: ssh on-rev.com
In-Reply-To: <E295986A-48F1-4715-B07E-9559A3FE559C@numericable.com>
References: <17F5C027-1AF0-41C8-ABE0-8710C55E854C@mac.com>
	<E295986A-48F1-4715-B07E-9559A3FE559C@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikH2qJyRPmcxX3VUOPF1Lya1YKLpTm04D5TVoJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

SSH is enabled only after request and the bad side is, they allow it only
from fixed ip. So if you don't have a fixed ip, then you're lost. what I do
is ssh to my vps server on jaguarpc which has a static ip then ssh from
there to on-rev... lots of hops.

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com>wrote:

> No information but I am also very interested by the subject...
> Rene(?)
>
> Le 17 janv. 2011 ? 05:51, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit :
>
> > Anyone know if ssh with on-rev.com works from the terminal?
> >
> > I keep getting rejected and I don't know if that's because I am using the
> wrong sign in or that on-rev does not allow this.
> >
> > PS This is for using Processing PDE (processing.org) A graphical
> interface that works along side of Arduino (which is based off of
> Processing).
> >
> >
> > I am working through a great book "Making Things Talk" Tom Igoe -
> O'Reilly -
> >
> >
> > -- Tom McGrath III
> > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> > 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 17 07:34:41 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:34:41 -0200
Subject: Datagrams: or how to avoid tRev(or)
In-Reply-To: <11612200562.20110116121014@ahsoftware.net>
References: <160284.69012.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<11612200562.20110116121014@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinBMX_wy0M3SxDc8nfPLprNEDiyV+N9CvYD5ZCY@mail.gmail.com>

David,

On localhost you can choose a random unused port and then write the port
number to a file in a pre-defined place, all clients launching read from
that file to learn which port to use. On lan, you can do like this, on the
server part, when you accept connection do some handshaking, on the client
part, just open the TCP connection and wait for the handshake, if it doesn't
happen then you're talking to the wrong software, disconnect. You can also
broadcast with datagrams, anyone using datagrams should have some sort of
error control to prevent datagrams from wrong apps (also keep aware that
datagram sizes varies with OS)

Andre


On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Jan-
>
> Sunday, January 16, 2011, 11:28:49 AM, you wrote:
>
> > Well, I figured I had better do it right away, so here it is:
> > <
> http://quartam.blogspot.com/2011/01/zeroconfbonjour-in-livecode-with-jmdns.html
> >
>
> Awesome! Thanks. Bookmarked...
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
>
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From rjb at robelko.com  Mon Jan 17 08:26:13 2011
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:26:13 +0100
Subject: Copying Objects from one card to another
In-Reply-To: <141AC79C-51EA-453D-8631-E53570409625@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <141AC79C-51EA-453D-8631-E53570409625@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080cc959f3c5103f@[192.168.1.94]>

On 16.01.11 at 11:56 -0800 Peter Haworth apparently wrote:
>I'm trying to copy a number of objects from one card to another by 
>selecting them all on the source card, copy, then paste them onto 
>the destination card.  On the destination card, they all end up 
>stacked up on top of each other instead of in the same positions as 
>on the source card.  The destination card is big enough to hold all 
>of them.
>
>What am I doing wrong?
>
>Pete Haworth

Do you have an earlier version of livecode/rev to try this in? It 
used to work with retention of location for sure.

Robert



From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Jan 17 08:34:37 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:34:37 EST
Subject: Copying Objects from one card to another
Message-ID: <61879.cdbeb04.3a659f6d@aol.com>

If I try this, it works fine. All pasted objects sit where they were in the 
source card.

LC 4.5.3

Mac OSX 10.4.11


From bvg at mac.com  Mon Jan 17 08:47:44 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:47:44 +0100
Subject: umask
In-Reply-To: <A9473311-E57B-4E66-8E6D-B998C4BF1B0C@sunnyrevtalk.com>
References: <AANLkTimC1Vn_ebNUhskJ=rreYjg=X5BFUjbY1cd1pjfM@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9473311-E57B-4E66-8E6D-B998C4BF1B0C@sunnyrevtalk.com>
Message-ID: <4C55947E-F24B-4FA4-9EF6-BA3BFFC9DF38@mac.com>

I agree that david should try it himself, especially as it's so easy to test?
Note that he meant the umask within LC, not the terminal command.

on mouseUp
   set the umask to 777
   ask file ""
   put "boo" into url ("file:" & it)
end mouseUp

Result: umask doesn't change permissions of files created by lc on mac os x

On 17 Jan 2011, at 08:44, Thierry wrote:

> 
> Le 16 janv. 2011 ? 23:00, David Bovill a ?crit :
> 
>> Does anyone know if the umask works on OSX / anymore - I used it years ago
>> on Linux, but no idea if it works on OSX (dictionary say it dos not).
> 
> Well, better  try all these commands in a terminal and
> you'll know quickly :
> 
> in a terminal do :
> 
>> echo 123 > test
> 
>> umask 666
>> echo 345 > test2
> 
>> ls -l test*
> -rw-rw-rw-   1 tdz  staff     4 17 jan 08:38 test
> ----------   1 tdz  staff     4 17 jan 08:38 test2
> 
> I did this in a shell with the terminal app., and on a Mac !
> So ,the answer is YES :)
> 
> MacOsX is a Unix based system, most of the shell commands
> are there... with subtle differences from Unix to Unix to Linux versions,
> but most of the time, it just works the same.
> 
> Regards,
> Thierry
> 
> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Mon Jan 17 09:15:07 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:15:07 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <4D33DC81.3040805@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>
	<4D33DC81.3040805@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <589AD6FD-E045-4D27-9950-F244B0794690@mac.com>

I will try this today when I get back home.

should it be  open file "modem:tty.usbmodem1a21"

I gotta look up the serialControlString

Thanks will get back with the results

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:06 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/16/11 10:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> The dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 does not show up in the list using the
>> SerialTest.rev stack.
>> 
>> It does show up in the Arduino software Serial list. Also in the
>> Arduino you have to use the tty.usbmodem1a21. Also when you plug the
>> Arduino in the Mac detects a new modem and asks to set it up in
>> Internet preferences pane. hit apply and then it shows up in
>> Arduino.
> 
> If the Mac thinks it's a modem, I'd try using "open file" as Mark Waddingham suggested. Specify "modem:" and set the serialControlString. He did mention that the drivernames aren't always accurate on OS X.
> 
> If that doesn't work, use "open file" with the "/dev/" path. I'm not sure which path would work, I guess you'd need to test them all. Basically the one that works in Terminal should work in LiveCode.
> 
> Did you try talking to it in Terminal? Does that work?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Mon Jan 17 09:18:28 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:18:28 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinpKB9NZi9KodH1U8oEkCRxTjuOb_NZ9hQ9XnFT@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
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Sarah,

There are drivers for older version of OS but it says that in OSX it shows up as a modem with no driver needed as in the Network pane in the device List in system preferences under the Airport Ethernet etc. list items.

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:10 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Are there drivers? For KeySpan and other USB serial adapters, you have
> to install the drivers before they will work properly.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
>> The dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 does not show up in the list using the SerialTest.rev stack.
>> 
>> It does show up in the Arduino software Serial list. Also in the Arduino you have to use the tty.usbmodem1a21. Also when you plug the Arduino in the Mac detects a new modem and asks to set it up in Internet preferences pane. hit apply and then it shows up in Arduino.
>> 
>> When i use marks make board software the /dev/cu.usbmodem1a21 does show up or at least when I took out just that part of his code that searches the drivers.
>> 
>>        put OSXDeviceNames() into tFiles
>>        filter tFiles WITH "/dev/cu.usbmodem*"
>> 
>> Sorta stuck now figuring this out.
>> 
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>> 
>> On Jan 16, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I am having trouble accessing an Arduino Uno attached to my computer via USB.
>>>> 
>>>> The device driver shows up as "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21"
>>>> 
>>>> I tried a simple open driver then read from driver then close driver. But Livecode keeps crashing or worse my computer panics and dies.
>>>> 
>>> When you get the driverNames, you should get a list of lines with
>>> three comma-separated items per line. Here is a sample of what I get
>>> with a KeySpan USB-serial adapter connected:
>>> 
>>> KeySerial1,/dev/tty.KeySerial1,/dev/cu.KeySerial1
>>> USA28X1a2P1.1,/dev/tty.USA28X1a2P1.1,/dev/cu.USA28X1a2P1.1
>>> USA28X1a2P2.2,/dev/tty.USA28X1a2P2.2,/dev/cu.USA28X1a2P2.2
>>> Bluetooth-PDA-Sync,/dev/tty.Bluetooth-PDA-Sync,/dev/cu.Bluetooth-PDA-Sync
>>> 
>>> The one you need to use to connect is the 3rd item i.e. the one
>>> starting with /dev/cu. instead of /dev/tty.
>>> 
>>> While LiveCode cannot communicate directly with a USB port, it appears
>>> that the Arduino is providing a serial port, so this should work fine.
>>> 
>>> On my web site, there is a serial test stack
>>> <http://www.troz.net/rev/stacks/SerialTest.rev> that might help you
>>> diagnose the connection issues.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sarah
> 
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From th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com  Mon Jan 17 09:19:53 2011
From: th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com (Thierry)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:19:53 +0100
Subject: umask
In-Reply-To: <4C55947E-F24B-4FA4-9EF6-BA3BFFC9DF38@mac.com>
References: <AANLkTimC1Vn_ebNUhskJ=rreYjg=X5BFUjbY1cd1pjfM@mail.gmail.com>
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Le 17 janv. 2011 ? 14:47, Bj?rnke von Gierke a ?crit :

> Note that he meant the umask within LC,
> not the terminal command.

he he, didn't know that umask exists in LC  :)


> on mouseUp
>   set the umask to 777
>   ask file ""
>   put "boo" into url ("file:" & it)
> end mouseUp
> 
> Result: umask doesn't change permissions of files created by lc on mac os x

So, looking quickly in LC dict, I found this :


On Mac OS and Windows systems, the umask property has no effect and always reports zero.


Even quicker than trying it in the terminal !

Thierry


From bvg at mac.com  Mon Jan 17 09:29:08 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:29:08 +0100
Subject: umask
In-Reply-To: <AB7BA69F-6508-48C3-804F-CC0E272B3F04@sunnyrevtalk.com>
References: <AANLkTimC1Vn_ebNUhskJ=rreYjg=X5BFUjbY1cd1pjfM@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9473311-E57B-4E66-8E6D-B998C4BF1B0C@sunnyrevtalk.com>
	<4C55947E-F24B-4FA4-9EF6-BA3BFFC9DF38@mac.com>
	<AB7BA69F-6508-48C3-804F-CC0E272B3F04@sunnyrevtalk.com>
Message-ID: <FE6CB32C-9EB7-4FF1-8696-7B38D2659519@mac.com>


On 17 Jan 2011, at 15:19, Thierry wrote:

> So, looking quickly in LC dict, I found this :
> 
> On Mac OS and Windows systems, the umask property has no effect and always reports zero.
> 
> Even quicker than trying it in the terminal !

I don't trust the dictionary in these things, Because it's often inaccurate. For example the entry about the selectionChanged message claims that it's not triggered by arrow keys, but it is.



From sundown at pacifier.com  Mon Jan 17 09:32:08 2011
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 06:32:08 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <589AD6FD-E045-4D27-9950-F244B0794690@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>
	<4D33DC81.3040805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<589AD6FD-E045-4D27-9950-F244B0794690@mac.com>
Message-ID: <48B1573F-8E01-4DAB-9C0E-6094D39FF3FE@pacifier.com>

I wrote a serial stack if you want to look at examples of how
to use the serial port and set the serialcontrol string.  If you
would like I will send it to you.

-=>JB<=-


On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:15 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> I will try this today when I get back home.
> 
> should it be  open file "modem:tty.usbmodem1a21"
> 
> I gotta look up the serialControlString
> 
> Thanks will get back with the results
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:06 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> On 1/16/11 10:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>> The dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 does not show up in the list using the
>>> SerialTest.rev stack.
>>> 
>>> It does show up in the Arduino software Serial list. Also in the
>>> Arduino you have to use the tty.usbmodem1a21. Also when you plug the
>>> Arduino in the Mac detects a new modem and asks to set it up in
>>> Internet preferences pane. hit apply and then it shows up in
>>> Arduino.
>> 
>> If the Mac thinks it's a modem, I'd try using "open file" as Mark Waddingham suggested. Specify "modem:" and set the serialControlString. He did mention that the drivernames aren't always accurate on OS X.
>> 
>> If that doesn't work, use "open file" with the "/dev/" path. I'm not sure which path would work, I guess you'd need to test them all. Basically the one that works in Terminal should work in LiveCode.
>> 
>> Did you try talking to it in Terminal? Does that work?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 09:45:29 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:45:29 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Data Grid Helper clones your DataGrids and supports the MC IDE
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=cjQV82nAW3FpO-dexKekwLWQUcb8O-+egn7ow@mail.gmail.com>

Dear LiveCoder,

We are pleased to announce the availability of a new version of DGH.

What we have for you in the 1.2.0 version of DGH?


1. A new feature: Mimetism.

The mimetism feature allows to clone an existing datagrid by putting
it in a cloning chamber.
DGH clones:
- the datagrid properties, template and behaviors.
- the datagrid dgData.

This is different than a simple copy/paste of an existing datagrid. In
DGH, the resulting clones have their own templates and behaviors,
instead of sharing the template and behaviors of the original
DataGrid.


2. "lockloc" an object in the DGH's TMPL area is now possible.


3. Change:

- DGH supports now the MC IDE.
- DGH is now more reactive when switching between datagrids or
applying column or template changes to a datagrid.
- Icons of the TMPL area objects changes according to the system (Mac
and Windows / Linux)


4. Fix
- Fix a bug with the visibility of a column in the column editor. An
invisible column could be set to visible after an update in the TMPL
area.
- Fix a bug with the selection of an object in the TMPL area. An
object was unselected after a drag.


If you have not already tested DGH, a trial version free for 30 days
is available here:
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=17:data-grid-helper-plugin&id=12:trial&Itemid=63

We have also a quick start guide downloadable here:
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=13:data-grid-helper-quick-start-guide&id=12:trial&Itemid=63

Thanks to William Moseid for the revision of the Quick Start Guide.


Btw, remember that we have also free materials about datagrids
downloadable here:
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&id=7:data-grid&Itemid=63


Best Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Mon Jan 17 09:47:17 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:47:17 +0000
Subject: umask
In-Reply-To: <FE6CB32C-9EB7-4FF1-8696-7B38D2659519@mac.com>
References: <AANLkTimC1Vn_ebNUhskJ=rreYjg=X5BFUjbY1cd1pjfM@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9473311-E57B-4E66-8E6D-B998C4BF1B0C@sunnyrevtalk.com>
	<4C55947E-F24B-4FA4-9EF6-BA3BFFC9DF38@mac.com>
	<AB7BA69F-6508-48C3-804F-CC0E272B3F04@sunnyrevtalk.com>
	<FE6CB32C-9EB7-4FF1-8696-7B38D2659519@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim1vtO_5cfzyJUYB9q7zf8AhE56t7rdVrhq12b+@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for sorting this out guys - Thierry does uMask still work on Linux in
LiveCode?

2011/1/17 Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com>

>
> On 17 Jan 2011, at 15:19, Thierry wrote:
>
> > So, looking quickly in LC dict, I found this :
> >
> > On Mac OS and Windows systems, the umask property has no effect and
> always reports zero.
> >
> > Even quicker than trying it in the terminal !
>
> I don't trust the dictionary in these things, Because it's often
> inaccurate. For example the entry about the selectionChanged message claims
> that it's not triggered by arrow keys, but it is.


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Mon Jan 17 09:53:43 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:53:43 +0000
Subject: Some thoughts on duck typing
In-Reply-To: <646D9BF4-B0C9-46E4-A358-ED6D84E9114A@sunnyrevtalk.com>
References: <4D2F2208.9080901@fourthworld.com>
	<56747133187.20110113184826@ahsoftware.net>
	<646D9BF4-B0C9-46E4-A358-ED6D84E9114A@sunnyrevtalk.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=YAV_8qws7eOK1Bn9mhrvuH9v2iQnBX7ypY1Ls@mail.gmail.com>

Thierry - would be good to understand a bit more. It looks like I've done
the same sort of thing - defined a meta structure for Livecode objects, and
for the same sort of reasons. However I "think" you've mapped them to a more
robust model, while I've more or less duplicated the existing LiveCode
structure. If the way you are doing things is more robust I'd like to
standardise on it?

On 17 January 2011 10:26, Thierry <th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Mark,
>
> I've done that once a long time ago, but can't remember
> why I stopped going this way....
>
> Didn't find it so ugly at this time :)


From th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com  Mon Jan 17 09:55:15 2011
From: th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com (Thierry)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:55:15 +0100
Subject: umask
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim1vtO_5cfzyJUYB9q7zf8AhE56t7rdVrhq12b+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimC1Vn_ebNUhskJ=rreYjg=X5BFUjbY1cd1pjfM@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4C55947E-F24B-4FA4-9EF6-BA3BFFC9DF38@mac.com>
	<AB7BA69F-6508-48C3-804F-CC0E272B3F04@sunnyrevtalk.com>
	<FE6CB32C-9EB7-4FF1-8696-7B38D2659519@mac.com>
	<AANLkTim1vtO_5cfzyJUYB9q7zf8AhE56t7rdVrhq12b+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <957290A1-F61E-4E6E-9799-4B63FE296E4D@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 17 janv. 2011 ? 15:47, David Bovill a ?crit :

> Thanks for sorting this out guys - Thierry does uMask still work on Linux in
> LiveCode?

saying before that I didn't know this command,....

Can't  help you :(

But if you want a multi-platform solution, I guess
you have to do it by running a shell ( in LC ).

My 2 cents

Thierry




From davidocoker at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 10:09:30 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:09:30 -0600
Subject: Using Shell to run a DOS program
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinXBdyv4u48-Y39vopRWmvZgKmHWGhh-rvP=Dyt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinXBdyv4u48-Y39vopRWmvZgKmHWGhh-rvP=Dyt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Pqo7a4F4vuH37E-LycJ9_ZPnvNowFhsCy_-iF@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Alejandro Tejada
<capellan2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have been trying, without sucess, to run
> the program CRC32.EXE using Shell
> from LiveCode.
>
> This is the code that I am using:
>
> put "C:\crc32.exe CRC32INPUT >CRC32OUTPUT.txt" into tCommand
> set the hideconsolewindows to true
> get shell (tCommand)
> get URL "file:C:\CRC32OUTPUT.txt "
> put it
>
> Notice that I had already created the files
> named CRC32INPUT and CRC32OUTPUT.txt
>
> On the command prompt it works,
> but not inside LiveCode.
>
> I am testing this using Rev 2.8 and 4.0
> using this DOS program
> http://www34.brinkster.com/dizzyk/download/crc32.zip
>
> downloaded from this page:
> http://www34.brinkster.com/dizzyk/crc32.asp
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Al


Although slightly different, after trying several different
variations, this seems to work for me:

on mouseUp
   set the defaultFolder to "C:\crc32\" --> must set the folder
location to the same as crc32.exe
   put "crc32.exe" into tCommand
   put " readme.txt > c:\crc32\output.txt" into tArg
   put tCommand & tArg into tShellText
   get shell (tCommand)
   get URL "file:c:\crc32\output.txt"
   put it
end mouseUp

Note the importance of setting the folder path to the location of crc32.exe

Best regards,
David C.



From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Mon Jan 17 10:10:19 2011
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:10:19 +0100
Subject: Newbie Q: LiveCode Forum
In-Reply-To: <63765299046.20110113235112@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <1jv7anp.3fh22c1166uo6M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user

thank you for speaking of (G)mane :-)

their philosophy is interesting, indeed (in the About):

=====
My main reason for setting up Gmane in the first place was my annoyance
with the concept of mailing lists. I've always preferred newsgroups --
they have a nice interface; they can be archived in a convenient format;
and they can be searched (via DejaNews/Google). Mailing lists have a
lousy interface, and if they have an archive at all, it's always hidden
behind some web-based monstrosity. And they never allow searching.
=====

But -- I tried to post via this server... it seems that my on-rev
address is not recognized (or my configuration is not correct)

As the guys at Gmane, I don't like mailing lists as they exist (and
moreover web based mailing lists ;->)

So I am reading this list on the old newsreader "MacSOUP" :-)
And sometimes I am overwhelmed by huge html pages...
[yes, you on the french-speaking list ;-)]

Also, I read interesting things in the doc at Gmane: they say you can
post with a Gmane public address:

=====
In fact, feel free to use your public.gmane.org address anywhere. While
it's difficult for me to promise that your encrypted address will work
forever, I have no plans for limiting the use of these addresses.
=====

but there is nowhere a place (AFIK) explaining how to create such an
address...



From davidocoker at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 10:16:07 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:16:07 -0600
Subject: Steve Jobs - medical leave
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=iyVMjnAU0=3bpHV-vbKjDnFqPvC1VmuQ7KfFP@mail.gmail.com>

Ran across an article of interest and thought I would share it:
http://tinyurl.com/679sn5z

Best regards,
David C.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 10:47:56 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:47:56 +0200
Subject: Steve Jobs - medical leave
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=iyVMjnAU0=3bpHV-vbKjDnFqPvC1VmuQ7KfFP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=iyVMjnAU0=3bpHV-vbKjDnFqPvC1VmuQ7KfFP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D3464AC.2010904@gmail.com>

On 01/17/2011 05:16 PM, David C. wrote:
> Ran across an article of interest and thought I would share it:
> http://tinyurl.com/679sn5z

Well, quite honestly, he does not look "a picture of rude health"
in the photograph.

The words "ill" and "anorexic" and the phrase "eaten up with 
overwheening ambition"
spring to mind.

One would also suppose that having a liver transplanted from elsewhere he
has to munch his way through all sorts of anti-rejection drugs every day,
which cannot exactly be good for one.

A vegan diet is not, perhaps, the best way to build up one's strengh either;
a vegetarian one is probably a better bet as the animal proteins present 
in milk-products
would be a great help.

> Best regards,
> David C.
>



From psahores at free.fr  Mon Jan 17 10:49:04 2011
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:49:04 +0100
Subject: ssh on-rev.com
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikH2qJyRPmcxX3VUOPF1Lya1YKLpTm04D5TVoJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17F5C027-1AF0-41C8-ABE0-8710C55E854C@mac.com>
	<E295986A-48F1-4715-B07E-9559A3FE559C@numericable.com>
	<AANLkTikH2qJyRPmcxX3VUOPF1Lya1YKLpTm04D5TVoJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E755B5F-72C3-47DC-B785-07F294F08A14@free.fr>

Andre and Folks,

I used the same way but, frankly, it was no far from unusable...

On the other hand, i prefer to see the mothership use this policy to avoid possible sad holes in the on-rev servers security.

But, i would really like to see the same mothership close all our unsecure FTP accesses and replace them by a FTP-SSL + password + PKEY or SFTP + password + PKEY  accounts access policy.

In between, to control the integrity of my on-rev account files on a daily basis and along other irev+MD5 dir scan scripts, i make a backup each night and scan then it from my dev box at home, in using ClamXav to be sure of the full integrity of my files. (As tested against real corrupted data set i own and use to choose and update antivirus tools, ClamXav is realy an usefull way to go on both the windows and os x platforms...)

All the best,

Pierre

Le 17 janv. 2011 ? 13:27, Andre Garzia a ?crit :

> Folks,
> 
> SSH is enabled only after request and the bad side is, they allow it only
> from fixed ip. So if you don't have a fixed ip, then you're lost. what I do
> is ssh to my vps server on jaguarpc which has a static ip then ssh from
> there to on-rev... lots of hops.

--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70

www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com







From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 17 10:57:14 2011
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Petrides, M.D. Marian)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:57:14 -0600
Subject: [OT] Re: Steve Jobs - medical leave
In-Reply-To: <4D3464AC.2010904@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=iyVMjnAU0=3bpHV-vbKjDnFqPvC1VmuQ7KfFP@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D3464AC.2010904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <288B90A9-968D-4E02-969D-0E82B3CF7CCC@earthlink.net>

This can't be good for Steve (and probably not for AAPL either).  :-((((  As eager as I am for further news, the man IS entitled to his privacy and I suspect we all should back off on the speculation.  My 2 cents worth.


On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 01/17/2011 05:16 PM, David C. wrote:
>> Ran across an article of interest and thought I would share it:
>> http://tinyurl.com/679sn5z
> 
> Well, quite honestly, he does not look "a picture of rude health"
> in the photograph.
> 
> The words "ill" and "anorexic" and the phrase "eaten up with overwheening ambition"
> spring to mind.
> 
> One would also suppose that having a liver transplanted from elsewhere he
> has to munch his way through all sorts of anti-rejection drugs every day,
> which cannot exactly be good for one.
> 
> A vegan diet is not, perhaps, the best way to build up one's strengh either;
> a vegetarian one is probably a better bet as the animal proteins present in milk-products
> would be a great help.
> 
>> Best regards,
>> David C.
>> 
> 
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 17 11:02:40 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:02:40 -0200
Subject: ssh on-rev.com
In-Reply-To: <6E755B5F-72C3-47DC-B785-07F294F08A14@free.fr>
References: <17F5C027-1AF0-41C8-ABE0-8710C55E854C@mac.com>
	<E295986A-48F1-4715-B07E-9559A3FE559C@numericable.com>
	<AANLkTikH2qJyRPmcxX3VUOPF1Lya1YKLpTm04D5TVoJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<6E755B5F-72C3-47DC-B785-07F294F08A14@free.fr>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim3mQDO12OXO87+sjGw71FzYB3qvqjh0GwF+K+4@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr> wrote:

> But, i would really like to see the same mothership close all our unsecure
> FTP accesses and replace them by a FTP-SSL + password + PKEY or SFTP +
> password + PKEY  accounts access policy.


they should not do that until livecode liburl has support for that kind of
stuffl... it would be horrible pr to have a server which your own product
can't connect...

-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Jan 17 11:14:02 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:14:02 +0100
Subject: Steve Jobs - medical leave
In-Reply-To: <4D3464AC.2010904@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=iyVMjnAU0=3bpHV-vbKjDnFqPvC1VmuQ7KfFP@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D3464AC.2010904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B9AA3AC0-7842-4CDF-8123-3A1BDF9561E6@economy-x-talk.com>

Richmond, you're only one step away from "cheese" :-)
--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce

On 17 jan 2011, at 16:47, Richmond wrote:
> 
> 
> A vegan diet is not, perhaps, the best way to build up one's strengh either;
> a vegetarian one is probably a better bet as the animal proteins present in milk-products
> would be a great help.




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jan 17 12:12:16 2011
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:12:16 -0500
Subject: datagrid (loc of elements)
In-Reply-To: <0B79DDCE-AD1B-4FB8-A2BC-14F5A13F35DA@etcpp.de>
References: <4D323AC8.4010606@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTi=7XRuEZMUi_85WqJWWdWAzMdA63WMUXLGUDdm_@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D323E9C.8010005@eml.cc>
	<58F6C924-E503-48F4-9BC8-1C694FBE3193@gmail.com>
	<4D32473A.6000403@eml.cc>
	<F1894C33-E41A-4BF9-B152-CC896EA53600@yahoo.com>
	<0B79DDCE-AD1B-4FB8-A2BC-14F5A13F35DA@etcpp.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikHwv4mz=U6nEXHO=c85HNrS2Y3JK7X+wKsSvfr@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Harald M?ller <harald at etcpp.de> wrote:

> I try to show an card element at the loc of the selected line of a datagrid
> form.
> Is there a way to get the loc of datagrid element or will I have to put it
> inside
> the datagrid and toggle the visible when a line is hilted?
>

Since you are using a form you can take a look at the dgDataControlOfLine
property.

put the dgDataControlOfLine[ the dgHilitedLine of group "DataGrid" ] of
group "DataGrid" into theControl
if theControl is not empty then
    put the loc of theControl into theLoc
    ....
end if

Take a look at the entry in the API docs:

http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7344-Data-Grid-API

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com


From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 17 12:21:10 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:21:10 -0800
Subject: Sqlite connection problem
In-Reply-To: <55EDAAB5-8B3C-4785-A535-F770E0CE00AF@major.on-rev.com>
References: <092DD45A-ED2A-4182-BAB7-20AB1A7ED483@system-ini.it>
	<55EDAAB5-8B3C-4785-A535-F770E0CE00AF@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <2575A251-3A78-4126-A0BE-A7EC2241456A@twft.com>

I think you only need read permissions to open it. 

Bob


On Jan 15, 2011, at 3:10 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> Buongiorno Alessandro,
> 
>> I have serius connection problem with my database sqlite.
>> 
>> my code is this:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>> put tAppPath() & "GestPres.db" into tDB
>> put revOpenDatabase("sqlite",tDB,,,,,) into mydb
>> revCloseDatabase mydb
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> function tAppPath
>> put effective filename of this stack into tFilename
>> set itemdel to "/"
>> if the platform = "MacOS" AND the environment <> "development" then
>> ##!!
>>    delete item -4 to -1 of tFileName
>>   ## MacApp.app/Contents/MacOS/Standalonestack
>> else
>>   delete item 1 of tFileName
>> end if
>>  return tFilename & "/"
>> end tAppPath
>> 
>> this is the error:
>> Database error:Unable to open the database file
>> I have created the db with Sqlite Manger . I open the db with the Sqlite Manager.
> 
> Does the current user of your standalone have ADMIN rights?
> Only users with ADMIN privileges are allowed to WRITE in the application folder!
> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> 
>> Cordiali Saluti
>> Alessandro Pisoni
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 17 12:31:51 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:31:51 -0800
Subject: No Check Box in the Dictionary??
In-Reply-To: <4D31B455.4000200@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D31B455.4000200@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2B29B61E-0C31-4DDE-AD35-B4E782177F8C@twft.com>

Hi Richard. 

Hey that's nice! What would also be cool is if it had a hot-type search feature that would filter the view so that you could zero in on the property you wanted for any object you click on. Also, is there a way to DL this so I can have it in my arsenal, or do I have to use GoRevNet every time? 

Bob


On Jan 15, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Got you covered there:
> 
> 4W Props is a simple property sheet tool for LiveCode, available through the Stacks section in RevNet - in the IDE see:
> 
>  Development->Plugins->GoRevNet
> 
> HTH -
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv




From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 17 12:36:17 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:36:17 -0800
Subject: No Check Box in the Dictionary??
In-Reply-To: <627F1DEB-7844-4071-B07D-47568288D84A@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <4D31B455.4000200@fourthworld.com>
	<627F1DEB-7844-4071-B07D-47568288D84A@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <3C531945-437E-477C-9922-11030B5D18C9@twft.com>

I had suggested that the application builder include a Splash Stack method that inserted a default splash stack, but allowed you to substitute your own in the process of building the app. The Splash Stack would become the default main stack for the projects and would be modified to call the actual mainstack before compilation. 

It was not received with much enthusiasm, but perhaps this would be the optimum solution. It could be an option you could turn off if you wanted but enabled by default. 

Bob


On Jan 15, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> 
> This thread reminds me so much of going through all the same questions when I first started using LC.  Seems like  a document that listed all these little idiosyncracies of LC, specifically targeted at newbies, would be extremely useful.  Maybe one already exists somewhere?
> 
> One thing I'd add to Calvin's list of gotchas is to realise that you cannot permanently store data in a stack in a standalone program. Lots of recommended workarounds of course but this is something you don't typically find out about until well down the development path (at least I didn't) because it's not a problem when working in the IDE,  and it can mean fairly major changes to your application.
> 
> Pete Haworth




From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 17 12:39:15 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:39:15 -0800
Subject: Dictionary Random Picks - now on RevOnline
In-Reply-To: <C956485B.502E1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C956485B.502E1%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <680C32BB-D803-4E27-BDD8-6FF7B96D9ADC@twft.com>

Don't forget FrustRate, the frequency with which newbies will become frustrated before they enable the iGetIt property. 

Bob


On Jan 14, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
>> Friday, January 14, 2011, 10:40:33 AM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:
>> 
>>>> I finally got around to taking a look. Nice job. In fact, I accidentally
>>>> discovered "synchrate"** which I never knew existed. :)
>> 
>>> And blinkRate!  My blinkRate increased after reading about the synchRate.
>> 
>> I thought you were kidding about this, so I looked it up. And the
>> blinkrate should be a multiple of the idleRate. I didn't realize you
>> could change that either.
> 
> Along with the moveRate, how many "rates" are there?
> 
> There should be a berRate -- how often the engine gets mad at you when you
> do something wrong.
> 
> Wondering now if there's a rateRate hidden in there...
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 17 12:47:37 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:47:37 -0800
Subject: Setting visibility on start up
In-Reply-To: <4D3233E3.9070806@eml.cc>
References: <4D3233E3.9070806@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <C31B0C9C-20DA-4BAB-B642-2BF4998A27CB@twft.com>

Check preOpenStack. I think in this handler you should be setting up all your environment stuff. Remember to pass it though when you are done. 

Bob


On Jan 15, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I need some guidance of the LC parlance when making objects visible/invisible on start up.  I've tried some experiments, but nothing works.
> 
> FYI - for anyone that is interested, I *really* learned a lot from Mark's
> presentation/chat (I couldn't get good video consistently on David's).  A number of things congealed in my mind.  I'm still scraping around on some of the syntax "particulars," but what I am coding is working great for pseudocode until I figure out the real syntax. :)
> 
> Standing by...
> Calvin
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jan 17 12:49:21 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:49:21 -0800
Subject: No Check Box in the Dictionary??
Message-ID: <4D348121.4090204@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > On Jan 15, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> Got you covered there:
 >>
 >> 4W Props is a simple property sheet tool for LiveCode, available
 >> through the Stacks section in RevNet - in the IDE see:
 >>
 >>  Development->Plugins->GoRevNet
 >
 >
 > Hi Richard.
 >
 > Hey that's nice! What would also be cool is if it had a hot-type
 > search feature that would filter the view so that you could zero
 > in on the property you wanted for any object you click on.

It currently supports a limited sort of hot-typing in as much as it'll 
scroll down to the nearest match.

I have a version in the works that groups related properties, which will 
make it much more effective for discovering things.  That version is 
combined with a new object browser, so it'll be a much more complete 
tool but the downside is that it'll take more time to complete.

 > Also, is there a way to DL this so I can have it in my arsenal,
 > or do I have to use GoRevNet every time?

Just save it and put it in your plugins folder or wherever else you like.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 17 12:52:06 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:52:06 -0800
Subject: Import Snapshot Broken in 4.5.3?
In-Reply-To: <2AD314BF-D6E9-4C17-BCA9-D47EF07D13DE@gmail.com>
References: <C95491AA.50193%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<2AD314BF-D6E9-4C17-BCA9-D47EF07D13DE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90A3F1FA-1533-4325-9344-58AFA9A526AC@twft.com>

Peter, 

That's actually one of the weird side effects of Jacque's Time Travel stack. The first time she launched it, we all started experiencing this anomaly. We also noticed that the socks we put into the dryer were not always the socks we took back out. 

Bob


On Jan 16, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:

> Thanks. As usual, I discovered this for myself in the dictionary about 4 minutes after I hit the "send" button. Another way that this list is useful for learning -- all I need to do is post a question and then I find that I already have the answer! Apparently I inadvertently installed an LC-uselist external in my brain. Did you create that utility too, Scott?
> 
> -- Peter
> 
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 17 13:13:48 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:13:48 -0800
Subject: Steve Jobs - medical leave
In-Reply-To: <B9AA3AC0-7842-4CDF-8123-3A1BDF9561E6@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <AANLkTi=iyVMjnAU0=3bpHV-vbKjDnFqPvC1VmuQ7KfFP@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D3464AC.2010904@gmail.com>
	<B9AA3AC0-7842-4CDF-8123-3A1BDF9561E6@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <EE1CB477-AA23-46F8-ACAE-C1602B265075@twft.com>

As in, "The very liberal Steve Jobs religiously avoids cheese?" Sorry, I cannot help myself. 

I hope the best for Steve as he strikes me as a man who really enjoys his job. He has given us a lot of very enjoyable technology. I chat with my sisters in Florida via their new iPads almost every day. I never take my laptop anywhere anymore because I don't need to. 

In fact, I got into IT because Apple Macintosh's were my hobby, and after a serious run in with a prior supervisor, the head guy had the sense to realize it was a war of wills, and told me to go over to the Radio Ministry and see what I could do with those Macintoshes they had. I did and have been well employed ever since. 

Bob


On Jan 17, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Richmond, you're only one step away from "cheese" :-)
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce
> 
> On 17 jan 2011, at 16:47, Richmond wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> A vegan diet is not, perhaps, the best way to build up one's strengh either;
>> a vegetarian one is probably a better bet as the animal proteins present in milk-products
>> would be a great help.
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 17 13:16:18 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:16:18 -0800
Subject: No Check Box in the Dictionary??
In-Reply-To: <4D348121.4090204@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D348121.4090204@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <6993B5BE-9209-4C92-84E7-3E1C1B9265A3@twft.com>

My Save As was grayed out. I will try again. 

Bob


On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> > Also, is there a way to DL this so I can have it in my arsenal,
> > or do I have to use GoRevNet every time?
> 
> Just save it and put it in your plugins folder or wherever else you like.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 13:46:21 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:46:21 +0200
Subject: [OT] Re: Steve Jobs - medical leave
In-Reply-To: <288B90A9-968D-4E02-969D-0E82B3CF7CCC@earthlink.net>
References: <AANLkTi=iyVMjnAU0=3bpHV-vbKjDnFqPvC1VmuQ7KfFP@mail.gmail.com>	<4D3464AC.2010904@gmail.com>
	<288B90A9-968D-4E02-969D-0E82B3CF7CCC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D348E7D.7020409@gmail.com>

On 01/17/2011 05:57 PM, Petrides, M.D. Marian wrote:
> This can't be good for Steve (and probably not for AAPL either).  :-((((  As eager as I am for further news, the man IS entitled to his privacy and I suspect we all should back off on the speculation.  My 2 cents worth.
>

As the man courts publicity I don't really see much wrong with the 
speculation.

> On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> On 01/17/2011 05:16 PM, David C. wrote:
>>> Ran across an article of interest and thought I would share it:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/679sn5z
>> Well, quite honestly, he does not look "a picture of rude health"
>> in the photograph.
>>
>> The words "ill" and "anorexic" and the phrase "eaten up with overwheening ambition"
>> spring to mind.
>>
>> One would also suppose that having a liver transplanted from elsewhere he
>> has to munch his way through all sorts of anti-rejection drugs every day,
>> which cannot exactly be good for one.
>>
>> A vegan diet is not, perhaps, the best way to build up one's strengh either;
>> a vegetarian one is probably a better bet as the animal proteins present in milk-products
>> would be a great help.
>>
>>



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 13:47:45 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:47:45 +0200
Subject: Steve Jobs - medical leave
In-Reply-To: <B9AA3AC0-7842-4CDF-8123-3A1BDF9561E6@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <AANLkTi=iyVMjnAU0=3bpHV-vbKjDnFqPvC1VmuQ7KfFP@mail.gmail.com>	<4D3464AC.2010904@gmail.com>
	<B9AA3AC0-7842-4CDF-8123-3A1BDF9561E6@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4D348ED1.2040608@gmail.com>

On 01/17/2011 06:14 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Richmond, you're only one step away from "cheese" :-)

Entre nous, J'aime un bon gout de fromage . . .  :)

> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce
>
> On 17 jan 2011, at 16:47, Richmond wrote:
>>
>> A vegan diet is not, perhaps, the best way to build up one's strengh either;
>> a vegetarian one is probably a better bet as the animal proteins present in milk-products
>> would be a great help.
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 13:51:34 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:51:34 +0200
Subject: Steve Jobs - medical leave
In-Reply-To: <EE1CB477-AA23-46F8-ACAE-C1602B265075@twft.com>
References: <AANLkTi=iyVMjnAU0=3bpHV-vbKjDnFqPvC1VmuQ7KfFP@mail.gmail.com>	<4D3464AC.2010904@gmail.com>	<B9AA3AC0-7842-4CDF-8123-3A1BDF9561E6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<EE1CB477-AA23-46F8-ACAE-C1602B265075@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D348FB6.7000008@gmail.com>

On 01/17/2011 08:13 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> As in, "The very liberal Steve Jobs religiously avoids cheese?" Sorry, I cannot help myself.

Personally I am aiming some "cheesey grins' at Steve Jobs as my software 
development is
dependent on his products; we all know he is a "dictatorial old 
so-and-so"; but, as I get
older I find the same happening to me in my own small sphere of 
influence surrounded
by less determined types. I do hope the chap pulls through and is with 
us for many long years to come.

> I hope the best for Steve as he strikes me as a man who really enjoys his job. He has given us a lot of very enjoyable technology. I chat with my sisters in Florida via their new iPads almost every day. I never take my laptop anywhere anymore because I don't need to.
>
> In fact, I got into IT because Apple Macintosh's were my hobby, and after a serious run in with a prior supervisor, the head guy had the sense to realize it was a war of wills, and told me to go over to the Radio Ministry and see what I could do with those Macintoshes they had. I did and have been well employed ever since.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>
>> Richmond, you're only one step away from "cheese" :-)
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>> KvK: 50277553
>>
>> New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce
>>
>> On 17 jan 2011, at 16:47, Richmond wrote:
>>>
>>> A vegan diet is not, perhaps, the best way to build up one's strengh either;
>>> a vegetarian one is probably a better bet as the animal proteins present in milk-products
>>> would be a great help.
>>
>> __



From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Jan 17 13:53:55 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:53:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: secure FTP to on-rev server best practice
Message-ID: <1295290435278-3221244.post@n4.nabble.com>


I have been trying to use SFTP to connect to the on-rev.com server when I am
uploading and managing files for a site hosted on on-rev.  I have not been
able to connect via SFTP.  I have tried with Interarchy and Cyberduck.   I
get a connection refused message.   

With Cyberduck I can connect with FTP-SSL (Explicit AUTH TLS)
-this shows a lock icon in the GUI
With Interarchy I can set FTP uses SSL (AUTH TLS) : required in the security
preferences
-there is no visible indication in the GUI that there is a secure connection

Is FTP using SSL equivalent to using SFTP?
Is there something I need to set in cPanel to make a SFTP connection, ie.
set up or configure and account for SFTP connections.

Martin
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Jan 17 13:54:16 2011
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:54:16 -0800
Subject: Steve Jobs - medical leave
In-Reply-To: <EE1CB477-AA23-46F8-ACAE-C1602B265075@twft.com>
References: <AANLkTi=iyVMjnAU0=3bpHV-vbKjDnFqPvC1VmuQ7KfFP@mail.gmail.com><4D3464AC.2010904@gmail.com><B9AA3AC0-7842-4CDF-8123-3A1BDF9561E6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<EE1CB477-AA23-46F8-ACAE-C1602B265075@twft.com>
Message-ID: <FBBABC8A06E84CF3A337BCE6DD1EE86B@GATEWAY>

> As in, "The very liberal Steve Jobs religiously avoids 
> cheese?" Sorry, I cannot help myself. 

Anyone who could launch products patterned like this cannot be completely
allergic to cheese ;-)

http://www.apple.com/pr/photos/imac2001/imac_tokyo.html

His appearance really hasn't improved all that much since his transplant, so
this shouldn't completely surprise anyone. This does though give Apple a
chance to get a taste of life without Steve. The company does have to be
able to live without the cult of personality.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 14:02:58 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:02:58 +0200
Subject: Steve Jobs - medical leave
In-Reply-To: <FBBABC8A06E84CF3A337BCE6DD1EE86B@GATEWAY>
References: <AANLkTi=iyVMjnAU0=3bpHV-vbKjDnFqPvC1VmuQ7KfFP@mail.gmail.com><4D3464AC.2010904@gmail.com><B9AA3AC0-7842-4CDF-8123-3A1BDF9561E6@economy-x-talk.com>	<EE1CB477-AA23-46F8-ACAE-C1602B265075@twft.com>
	<FBBABC8A06E84CF3A337BCE6DD1EE86B@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <4D349262.7010908@gmail.com>

On 01/17/2011 08:54 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> Anyone who could launch products patterned like this cannot be completely
> allergic to cheese ;-)
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/photos/imac2001/imac_tokyo.html
>

I had forgotten . . .  :(  The greatest disappointment is that the 
faithful G3 iMac
that chugs away in my school is not a 'spotty horror' or a 'flower 
power' number
but a plain old smokey-gray one.

The kids have made up for things by plastering the whole of the exterior of
the iMac with 3D Sunflower stickers!

Cheese or not; I do hope that Steve Jobs has a spot of sunflowers rather
than a dose of the "smokey grays".


From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Jan 17 14:22:57 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:22:57 -0800
Subject: Copying Objects from one card to another
In-Reply-To: <61879.cdbeb04.3a659f6d@aol.com>
References: <61879.cdbeb04.3a659f6d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2F5CB3AB-B721-45EB-94D8-2B8DC05D517D@mollysrevenge.com>

I remember it working in the past as well but it's not now.  I'm on LC 4.5.2 and Snow Leopard.

I just tried it with Rev 4.0 and it didn't work there either.  Puzzling.  Not a huge deal to copy the controls individually and position them manually but I wish I knew why it's not working.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 17, 2011, at 5:34 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> If I try this, it works fine. All pasted objects sit where they were in the 
> source card.
> 
> LC 4.5.3
> 
> Mac OSX 10.4.11
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Jan 17 14:28:24 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:28:24 EST
Subject: Copying Objects from one card to another
Message-ID: <79f8c.df3f32b.3a65f258@aol.com>

Odd. 

Per Jacques, this is easily scriptable, but I tried it with a mixture of 
paint, graphics, buttons, fields, etc. And all just pop into their original 
places.

Craig Newman


From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Jan 17 14:43:50 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:43:50 -0800
Subject: Copying Objects from one card to another
In-Reply-To: <2F5CB3AB-B721-45EB-94D8-2B8DC05D517D@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <61879.cdbeb04.3a659f6d@aol.com>
	<2F5CB3AB-B721-45EB-94D8-2B8DC05D517D@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <5DC395B3-CAD2-4F6A-A213-11966F4A797A@cox.net>

Peter,

I suspect it's something you've done recently. I have the same setup and it has been working for me in copying from one stack to another for sometime, though I've not tried it in the past week or so; just not at a place where I care try it now. You might want to try a restart; maybe even a re-boot. I've had an occasional problem that has been fixed doing that.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>







On Jan 17, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> I remember it working in the past as well but it's not now.  I'm on LC 4.5.2 and Snow Leopard.
> 
> I just tried it with Rev 4.0 and it didn't work there either.  Puzzling.  Not a huge deal to copy the controls individually and position them manually but I wish I knew why it's not working.
> 
> Pete Haworth
> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 5:34 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> If I try this, it works fine. All pasted objects sit where they were in the 
>> source card.
>> 
>> LC 4.5.3
>> 
>> Mac OSX 10.4.11
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From anthonyhowe at me.com  Mon Jan 17 14:47:08 2011
From: anthonyhowe at me.com (Anthony Howe)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 06:47:08 +1100
Subject: umask
In-Reply-To: <FE6CB32C-9EB7-4FF1-8696-7B38D2659519@mac.com>
References: <AANLkTimC1Vn_ebNUhskJ=rreYjg=X5BFUjbY1cd1pjfM@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9473311-E57B-4E66-8E6D-B998C4BF1B0C@sunnyrevtalk.com>
	<4C55947E-F24B-4FA4-9EF6-BA3BFFC9DF38@mac.com>
	<AB7BA69F-6508-48C3-804F-CC0E272B3F04@sunnyrevtalk.com>
	<FE6CB32C-9EB7-4FF1-8696-7B38D2659519@mac.com>
Message-ID: <40035FF4-93BC-4A63-87DF-81BCF4D3DC2D@me.com>

Yea, just discovered that one last night. A welcome, undocumented feature this time! 



On 18/01/2011, at 1:29 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

> 
> On 17 Jan 2011, at 15:19, Thierry wrote:
> 
>> So, looking quickly in LC dict, I found this :
>> 
>> On Mac OS and Windows systems, the umask property has no effect and always reports zero.
>> 
>> Even quicker than trying it in the terminal !
> 
> I don't trust the dictionary in these things, Because it's often inaccurate. For example the entry about the selectionChanged message claims that it's not triggered by arrow keys, but it is.
Yea, just discovered that one last night. A welcome, undocumented feature this time! 


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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Jan 17 14:49:35 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:49:35 -0800
Subject: Radio Buttons
Message-ID: <D75051ED-51F2-44E1-92F0-AE1FB34611AA@mollysrevenge.com>

How can a user clear the highlight of  a radio button?  Clicking on it when it's not set highlights it but clicking it when it's highlighted has no effect.

Pete Haworth











From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 17 14:48:50 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:48:50 -0200
Subject: secure FTP to on-rev server best practice
In-Reply-To: <1295290435278-3221244.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1295290435278-3221244.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinBV2jXkobsXOB6J-HjtjS9=jCpd1tiV4BMqhwU@mail.gmail.com>

Martin,

you can't use SFTP or FTP-SSL with on-rev.

andre

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:

>
> I have been trying to use SFTP to connect to the on-rev.com server when I
> am
> uploading and managing files for a site hosted on on-rev.  I have not been
> able to connect via SFTP.  I have tried with Interarchy and Cyberduck.   I
> get a connection refused message.
>
> With Cyberduck I can connect with FTP-SSL (Explicit AUTH TLS)
> -this shows a lock icon in the GUI
> With Interarchy I can set FTP uses SSL (AUTH TLS) : required in the
> security
> preferences
> -there is no visible indication in the GUI that there is a secure
> connection
>
> Is FTP using SSL equivalent to using SFTP?
> Is there something I need to set in cPanel to make a SFTP connection, ie.
> set up or configure and account for SFTP connections.
>
> Martin
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Jan 17 14:54:13 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:54:13 EST
Subject: Radio Buttons
Message-ID: <7c915.6e4f6c22.3a65f865@aol.com>

Try this:

on mouseUp
    set the hilite of me to not the hilite of me
end mouseUp


From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Jan 17 14:58:42 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:58:42 -0500
Subject: Radio Buttons
In-Reply-To: <D75051ED-51F2-44E1-92F0-AE1FB34611AA@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <D75051ED-51F2-44E1-92F0-AE1FB34611AA@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <A4ADD2A8-2BAE-47F8-B469-506D87E73286@verizon.net>


On Jan 17, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> >How can a user clear the highlight of  a radio button?  Clicking on it when it's not set highlights it but clicking it when it's highlighted has no effect.


If it could do that, it would be a checkbox. You could set the autohilite of a single radio button to be false, and then have a script like this:

on mouseUp
   set the hilite of me to not the hilite of me
end mouseUp





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 17 15:00:55 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:00:55 -0600
Subject: Copying Objects from one card to another
In-Reply-To: <79f8c.df3f32b.3a65f258@aol.com>
References: <79f8c.df3f32b.3a65f258@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D349FF7.6040105@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/17/11 1:28 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> Odd.
>
> Per Jacques, this is easily scriptable, but I tried it with a mixture of
> paint, graphics, buttons, fields, etc. And all just pop into their original
> places.

Manually they do. But I think Peter was scripting copy/paste commands.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 17 15:03:27 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:03:27 -0600
Subject: Radio Buttons
In-Reply-To: <D75051ED-51F2-44E1-92F0-AE1FB34611AA@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <D75051ED-51F2-44E1-92F0-AE1FB34611AA@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <4D34A08F.70804@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/17/11 1:49 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> How can a user clear the highlight of  a radio button?  Clicking on
> it when it's not set highlights it but clicking it when it's
> highlighted has no effect.

This is typically checkbox behavior. Radio buttons should only be used 
in groups, where clicking one deselects all others. For on-off toggle 
behavior, use a checkbox.


-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 17 15:03:44 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:03:44 -0800
Subject: Radio Buttons
In-Reply-To: <A4ADD2A8-2BAE-47F8-B469-506D87E73286@verizon.net>
References: <D75051ED-51F2-44E1-92F0-AE1FB34611AA@mollysrevenge.com>
	<A4ADD2A8-2BAE-47F8-B469-506D87E73286@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <7D6A2158-2C33-4ED3-96CD-E9BE62703264@twft.com>

I agree Colin. Users expect a radio button to be exactly one and only one of 2 or more choices. Checkboxes are expected to be none to any of one or more choices. 

Bob


On Jan 17, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> 
>>> How can a user clear the highlight of  a radio button?  Clicking on it when it's not set highlights it but clicking it when it's highlighted has no effect.
> 
> 
> If it could do that, it would be a checkbox. You could set the autohilite of a single radio button to be false, and then have a script like this:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   set the hilite of me to not the hilite of me
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> 
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From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Jan 17 15:12:54 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:12:54 -0500
Subject: Radio Buttons
In-Reply-To: <7D6A2158-2C33-4ED3-96CD-E9BE62703264@twft.com>
References: <D75051ED-51F2-44E1-92F0-AE1FB34611AA@mollysrevenge.com>
	<A4ADD2A8-2BAE-47F8-B469-506D87E73286@verizon.net>
	<7D6A2158-2C33-4ED3-96CD-E9BE62703264@twft.com>
Message-ID: <C7FCAA8B-E15F-4A75-A2FE-EBD8E064EF6F@verizon.net>


On Jan 17, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I agree Colin. Users expect a radio button to be exactly one and only one of 2 or more choices. Checkboxes are expected to be none to any of one or more choices. 

It is an interesting interface issue though, and there can be cases where you have to only make one choice, if you're interested to do so, but if you accidentally do that there isn't a way to select nothing again. Some dialogs solve that by having a Clear button, though that seems wrong somehow.

In Adobe products they have a not bad solution to the issue. Next to some drop down menus are checkboxes. If you make a selection from the menu, the checkbox next to it gets checked. There are several of these within the same dialog, and so you can easily specify a lot of things at once, and if you have made an incorrect selection, you can uncheck the box next to that menu.





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 17 15:14:36 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:14:36 -0600
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <589AD6FD-E045-4D27-9950-F244B0794690@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>	<AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>	<B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>	<4D33DC81.3040805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<589AD6FD-E045-4D27-9950-F244B0794690@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4D34A32C.3030702@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/17/11 8:15 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> I will try this today when I get back home.
>
> should it be  open file "modem:tty.usbmodem1a21"
>

It's been ages since I tried it so I'm fuzzy about the details, but 
since you can only (usually) have one modem at a time, I don't think you 
need a path at all. Just use:

open file "modem:"

That opens the modem port for read/write.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Jan 17 15:15:59 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:15:59 -0800
Subject: Copying Objects from one card to another
In-Reply-To: <4D349FF7.6040105@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <79f8c.df3f32b.3a65f258@aol.com>
	<4D349FF7.6040105@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <9F892AAC-5C4E-45A8-AD68-A1F001D160F0@mollysrevenge.com>

No, I'm using the copy/paste edit commands from the Edit menu.  Something strange going on...

Pete Haworth

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On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/17/11 1:28 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
>> Odd.
>> 
>> Per Jacques, this is easily scriptable, but I tried it with a mixture of
>> paint, graphics, buttons, fields, etc. And all just pop into their original
>> places.
> 
> Manually they do. But I think Peter was scripting copy/paste commands.
> 
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Jan 17 15:23:07 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:23:07 -0800
Subject: Radio Buttons
In-Reply-To: <A4ADD2A8-2BAE-47F8-B469-506D87E73286@verizon.net>
References: <D75051ED-51F2-44E1-92F0-AE1FB34611AA@mollysrevenge.com>
	<A4ADD2A8-2BAE-47F8-B469-506D87E73286@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <FD5CBBF8-7D28-45F0-9D51-2FEA2568A053@mollysrevenge.com>

You're right!  Just looked at the Apple User Interface guidelines and radio buttons are indeed supposed to be used in sets with only one checked within the set.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 17, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> 
>>> How can a user clear the highlight of  a radio button?  Clicking on it when it's not set highlights it but clicking it when it's highlighted has no effect.
> 
> 
> If it could do that, it would be a checkbox. You could set the autohilite of a single radio button to be false, and then have a script like this:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   set the hilite of me to not the hilite of me
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 17 15:24:56 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:24:56 -0800
Subject: Radio Buttons
In-Reply-To: <C7FCAA8B-E15F-4A75-A2FE-EBD8E064EF6F@verizon.net>
References: <D75051ED-51F2-44E1-92F0-AE1FB34611AA@mollysrevenge.com>
	<A4ADD2A8-2BAE-47F8-B469-506D87E73286@verizon.net>
	<7D6A2158-2C33-4ED3-96CD-E9BE62703264@twft.com>
	<C7FCAA8B-E15F-4A75-A2FE-EBD8E064EF6F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <F1F6727E-D05B-40BA-9E70-4B7B697DE608@twft.com>

I think in this case, you would have a checkbox that enabled the feature the radio button was for. Disabling the checkbox would gray out the Radio button so that the user has the visual clue that the choice is disabled. 

Bob


On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> I agree Colin. Users expect a radio button to be exactly one and only one of 2 or more choices. Checkboxes are expected to be none to any of one or more choices. 
> 
> It is an interesting interface issue though, and there can be cases where you have to only make one choice, if you're interested to do so, but if you accidentally do that there isn't a way to select nothing again. Some dialogs solve that by having a Clear button, though that seems wrong somehow.
> 
> In Adobe products they have a not bad solution to the issue. Next to some drop down menus are checkboxes. If you make a selection from the menu, the checkbox next to it gets checked. There are several of these within the same dialog, and so you can easily specify a lot of things at once, and if you have made an incorrect selection, you can uncheck the box next to that menu.
> 
> 
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jan 17 15:25:41 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:25:41 -0800
Subject: Radio Buttons
Message-ID: <4D34A5C5.7060000@fourthworld.com>

Colin Holgate wrote:

 > On Jan 17, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
 >
 >> I agree Colin. Users expect a radio button to be exactly one and
 >> only one of 2 or more choices. Checkboxes are expected to be none
 >> to any of one or more choices.
 >
 > It is an interesting interface issue though, and there can be cases
 > where you have to only make one choice, if you're interested to do
 > so, but if you accidentally do that there isn't a way to select
 > nothing again. Some dialogs solve that by having a Clear button,
 > though that seems wrong somehow.
 >
 > In Adobe products they have a not bad solution to the issue. Next to
 > some drop down menus are checkboxes. If you make a selection from the
 > menu, the checkbox next to it gets checked. There are several of
 > these within the same dialog, and so you can easily specify a lot of
 > things at once, and if you have made an incorrect selection, you can
 > uncheck the box next to that menu.

That can be a good solution.  Or if you need to have the options visible 
as radio buttons, you could consider a third labeled "None".

--
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  Fourth World
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 17 15:29:59 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:29:59 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <4D34A32C.3030702@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>	<AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>	<B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>	<4D33DC81.3040805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<589AD6FD-E045-4D27-9950-F244B0794690@mac.com>
	<4D34A32C.3030702@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <8B27D88C-B957-48F0-99B2-5303CA6E9EA7@twft.com>

How then would the Mac OS know which modem port you were opening? How would it know you were talking about the USB port? There are older Macbooks and Desktops that actually have a modem as well as USB ports. I read the dictionary, but didn't see anything on how to actually specify the USB port. Just curious. 

Bob


On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:14 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/17/11 8:15 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> I will try this today when I get back home.
>> 
>> should it be  open file "modem:tty.usbmodem1a21"
>> 
> 
> It's been ages since I tried it so I'm fuzzy about the details, but since you can only (usually) have one modem at a time, I don't think you need a path at all. Just use:
> 
> open file "modem:"
> 
> That opens the modem port for read/write.
> 
> -- 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 17 15:30:12 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:30:12 -0600
Subject: Copying Objects from one card to another
In-Reply-To: <9F892AAC-5C4E-45A8-AD68-A1F001D160F0@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <79f8c.df3f32b.3a65f258@aol.com>	<4D349FF7.6040105@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9F892AAC-5C4E-45A8-AD68-A1F001D160F0@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <4D34A6D4.2050105@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/17/11 2:15 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> No, I'm using the copy/paste edit commands from the Edit menu.
> Something strange going on...

Now I'm confused...are you manually selecting objects, choosing "copy" 
and then "paste" from the edit menu? If so, objects should be pasted in 
their relative locations. The exception is if there isn't room, and any 
objects that would be off the card will be moved to the center. But 
other objects that do fit should be in their correct locations.

If you mean you are scripting the process by selecting several objects 
and then using this:

   copy
   go cd x
   paste

then try using the alternate syntax I mentioned.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 17 15:31:47 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:31:47 -0600
Subject: Import Snapshot Broken in 4.5.3?
In-Reply-To: <90A3F1FA-1533-4325-9344-58AFA9A526AC@twft.com>
References: <C95491AA.50193%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<2AD314BF-D6E9-4C17-BCA9-D47EF07D13DE@gmail.com>
	<90A3F1FA-1533-4325-9344-58AFA9A526AC@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D34A733.5060404@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/17/11 11:52 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Peter,
>
> That's actually one of the weird side effects of Jacque's Time Travel
> stack. The first time she launched it, we all started experiencing
> this anomaly. We also noticed that the socks we put into the dryer
> were not always the socks we took back out.

Kevin has your socks. And I believe I have his. And I don't know who has 
mine.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Mon Jan 17 15:37:00 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:37:00 +0000
Subject: Radio Buttons
In-Reply-To: <4D34A5C5.7060000@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D34A5C5.7060000@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <144F6470-F1E8-4EEE-86A2-13FBCED18605@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

If you want to use a radio button group in a situation where the default, pre-selection state is required, you need a default button showing that 'select', 'default' or 'none' state - or alternatively use a picklist with a default value?

On 17 Jan 2011, at 20:25, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Colin Holgate wrote:
> 
> > On Jan 17, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> >
> >> I agree Colin. Users expect a radio button to be exactly one and
> >> only one of 2 or more choices. Checkboxes are expected to be none
> >> to any of one or more choices.
> >
> > It is an interesting interface issue though, and there can be cases
> > where you have to only make one choice, if you're interested to do
> > so, but if you accidentally do that there isn't a way to select
> > nothing again. Some dialogs solve that by having a Clear button,
> > though that seems wrong somehow.
> >
> > In Adobe products they have a not bad solution to the issue. Next to
> > some drop down menus are checkboxes. If you make a selection from the
> > menu, the checkbox next to it gets checked. There are several of
> > these within the same dialog, and so you can easily specify a lot of
> > things at once, and if you have made an incorrect selection, you can
> > uncheck the box next to that menu.
> 
> That can be a good solution.  Or if you need to have the options visible as radio buttons, you could consider a third labeled "None".
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
> 
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Jan 17 15:38:39 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:38:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: secure FTP to on-rev server best practice
References: <1295290435278-3221244.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTinBV2jXkobsXOB6J-HjtjS9=jCpd1tiV4BMqhwU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20110117T212521-436@post.gmane.org>

Andre Garzia <andre at ...> writes:

> 
> Martin,
> 
> you can't use SFTP or FTP-SSL with on-rev.
> 
> andre
> 
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Martin Koob <mkoob at ...> wrote:
> 
> >
> > I have been trying to use SFTP to connect to the on-rev.com server when I
> > am
> > uploading and managing files for a site hosted on on-rev.  I have not been
> > able to connect via SFTP.  I have tried with Interarchy and Cyberduck.   I
> > get a connection refused message.
> >
> > With Cyberduck I can connect with FTP-SSL (Explicit AUTH TLS)
> > -this shows a lock icon in the GUI
> > With Interarchy I can set FTP uses SSL (AUTH TLS) : required in the
> > security
> > preferences
> > -there is no visible indication in the GUI that there is a secure
> > connection
> >

Hi Andre

With Cyberduck when I first tried to connect using FTP-SSL it would 
not connect because the certificate from odin.on-rev.com was not 
trusted.   When I clicked 'Always trust "odin.on-rev.com' then the 
connection opened.  When I look in the keychain I find the certificate 
for odin.on-rev.com and has SSL - always trust as the settings for the 
certificate and it is trusted for ftp for my on-rev site

So it appears that at least FTP-SSL is working with on-rev using Cyberduck 
or am I missing something.

Martin





From davidocoker at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 15:41:19 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:41:19 -0600
Subject: Radio Buttons
In-Reply-To: <144F6470-F1E8-4EEE-86A2-13FBCED18605@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <4D34A5C5.7060000@fourthworld.com>
	<144F6470-F1E8-4EEE-86A2-13FBCED18605@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=oAP=PztWdcmCTy2y3HXK6+35eX4j1vyHHgATF@mail.gmail.com>

Or....
If you were just going crazy wanting to use a single radio button, you
can get -->pretty close<-- by positioning an empty label field over
the label portion of the radio button, scripted with:

on mouseUp
   set the hilite of btn "MySingleRadioButton" to false
end mouseUp

Clicking the button selects, clicking the label deselects.

Best regards,
David C.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 17 15:43:08 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:43:08 -0600
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <8B27D88C-B957-48F0-99B2-5303CA6E9EA7@twft.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>	<AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>	<B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>	<4D33DC81.3040805@hyperactivesw.com>	<589AD6FD-E045-4D27-9950-F244B0794690@mac.com>	<4D34A32C.3030702@hyperactivesw.com>
	<8B27D88C-B957-48F0-99B2-5303CA6E9EA7@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D34A9DC.4060302@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/17/11 2:29 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> How then would the Mac OS know which modem port you were opening?

There is only one "modem" serial port. The other is called the "printer" 
port. Technically both ports can accept any serial device, but in this 
case I assume the serial device is on the modem port.

On Windows you get a bunch of serial ports, labeled "COM1" to "COM9".

> How
> would it know you were talking about the USB port? There are older
> Macbooks and Desktops that actually have a modem as well as USB
> ports. I read the dictionary, but didn't see anything on how to
> actually specify the USB port. Just curious.

LiveCode doesn't recognize USB ports at all, so it isn't an issue; you 
can't specify a USB port. The device in question is registering itself 
as a serial device on, I assume, the modem port. Generally when you 
select a modem in the OS you can also specify whether it is coming in on 
the modem or printer port; if Thomas selects printer port instead, then 
that's the port he should try to open.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Jan 17 15:45:32 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:45:32 -0800
Subject: Copying Objects from one card to another
In-Reply-To: <4D34A6D4.2050105@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <79f8c.df3f32b.3a65f258@aol.com>	<4D349FF7.6040105@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9F892AAC-5C4E-45A8-AD68-A1F001D160F0@mollysrevenge.com>
	<4D34A6D4.2050105@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <0AC44759-7821-4388-8495-2ABACAC92469@mollysrevenge.com>

Yes, using copy/paste from the edit menu (or keyboard commands).  You may be on to something re objects that would be outside the boundaries of the new card - I'll check that.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:30 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/17/11 2:15 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> No, I'm using the copy/paste edit commands from the Edit menu.
>> Something strange going on...
> 
> Now I'm confused...are you manually selecting objects, choosing "copy" and then "paste" from the edit menu? If so, objects should be pasted in their relative locations. The exception is if there isn't room, and any objects that would be off the card will be moved to the center. But other objects that do fit should be in their correct locations.
> 
> If you mean you are scripting the process by selecting several objects and then using this:
> 
>  copy
>  go cd x
>  paste
> 
> then try using the alternate syntax I mentioned.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 15:47:51 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:47:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Using Shell to run a DOS program
In-Reply-To: <75229CD1-A84B-49AA-BC60-E7A1AE0371E6@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <AANLkTinXBdyv4u48-Y39vopRWmvZgKmHWGhh-rvP=Dyt@mail.gmail.com>
	<75229CD1-A84B-49AA-BC60-E7A1AE0371E6@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <1295297271924-3221259.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Mark,

Many thanks for testing this script! :-)

Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Are you sure that the file name should contain an additional space?
> "file:C:\CRC32OUTPUT.txt "
> You give very little information. Does crc32 do anything at all
> when called from LiveCode? Errors? Files created? Anything? Nothing?

No, this additional space is a typo in the message.
Good catch! :-D

CRC32.exe works on the command prompt
but not inside LiveCode. 

It does not produce errors and do not create any file.
It does not produce anything. Nothing at all

I am testing this using Rev 2.8 and 4.0 
using this DOS program: 
http://www34.brinkster.com/dizzyk/download/crc32.zip
 
downloaded from this page: 
http://www34.brinkster.com/dizzyk/crc32.asp

Now, my curiosity is awakened with your answer.
How do you test a Dos program using Mac OS X?

Thanks in advance! 

Al
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From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Jan 17 15:49:48 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:49:48 -0500
Subject: Radio Buttons
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=oAP=PztWdcmCTy2y3HXK6+35eX4j1vyHHgATF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D34A5C5.7060000@fourthworld.com>
	<144F6470-F1E8-4EEE-86A2-13FBCED18605@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<AANLkTi=oAP=PztWdcmCTy2y3HXK6+35eX4j1vyHHgATF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7312463D-DE2F-4A65-A482-CE4F97B674DB@verizon.net>


On Jan 17, 2011, at 3:41 PM, David C. wrote:

> Clicking the button selects, clicking the label deselects.

Unfortunately, the convention is that clicking on the button or the label should highlight the button.





From davidocoker at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 16:04:36 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:04:36 -0600
Subject: Using Shell to run a DOS program
In-Reply-To: <1295297271924-3221259.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <AANLkTinXBdyv4u48-Y39vopRWmvZgKmHWGhh-rvP=Dyt@mail.gmail.com>
	<75229CD1-A84B-49AA-BC60-E7A1AE0371E6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1295297271924-3221259.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim2Bgkwb-kpextZEV_dS7NpYT2h0pU6+_894FjN@mail.gmail.com>

Alejandro,
I just noticed that I pasted a non-working version in my earlier
message. Try this one, which works on this end:

on mouseUp
-- must set the folder location to the same as crc32.exe
   set the defaultFolder to "C:\crc32\"
   put "crc32.exe" into tCommand
   put " readme.txt > c:\crc32\output.txt" into tArg
   put tCommand & tArg into tShellText
   set the hideconsolewindows to true
   get shell (tShellText)
   get URL "file:c:\crc32\output.txt"
   put it -- put in message box
   --put it into fld "Field1" -- put in field
end mouseUp

Sorry about that...
Watch for line wrap on the commenting.

Best regards,
David C.



From psahores at free.fr  Mon Jan 17 16:24:52 2011
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:24:52 +0100
Subject: ssh on-rev.com
References: <32F0FEA8-927A-41DB-9D92-9644C217E2F9@free.fr>
Message-ID: <B63EBE9B-A1F0-4ECA-8B96-F8E7AB89AD8F@free.fr>

Hello Andre :D

But they should indeed !!!

Instead of making any .irev stuff rely on the non secure FTP protocol, i just hate because that, the libURL let us play in a very fine way with  $_POST_RAW and it works perfectly well there as a replacement for any kind of FTP targeted code.

Kind Regards,

Pierre


Le 17 janv. 2011 ? 17:02, Andre Garzia a ?crit :

> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr> wrote:
> 
>> But, i would really like to see the same mothership close all our unsecure
>> FTP accesses and replace them by a FTP-SSL + password + PKEY or SFTP +
>> password + PKEY  accounts access policy.
> 
> 
> they should not do that until livecode liburl has support for that kind of
> stuffl... it would be horrible pr to have a server which your own product
> can't connect...
> 
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From psahores at free.fr  Mon Jan 17 16:49:50 2011
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:49:50 +0100
Subject: secure FTP to on-rev server best practice
In-Reply-To: <loom.20110117T212521-436@post.gmane.org>
References: <1295290435278-3221244.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTinBV2jXkobsXOB6J-HjtjS9=jCpd1tiV4BMqhwU@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20110117T212521-436@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <80C9C7A6-3BB6-4283-A9E6-8BEF695622EF@free.fr>

Martin,

Are you, from CyberDuck, able to see the files listing AND to upload/download files ?

Best,

Pierre

Le 17 janv. 2011 ? 21:38, Martin Koob a ?crit :

> Andre Garzia <andre at ...> writes:
> 
>> 
>> Martin,
>> 
>> you can't use SFTP or FTP-SSL with on-rev.
>> 
>> andre
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Martin Koob <mkoob at ...> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I have been trying to use SFTP to connect to the on-rev.com server when I
>>> am
>>> uploading and managing files for a site hosted on on-rev.  I have not been
>>> able to connect via SFTP.  I have tried with Interarchy and Cyberduck.   I
>>> get a connection refused message.
>>> 
>>> With Cyberduck I can connect with FTP-SSL (Explicit AUTH TLS)
>>> -this shows a lock icon in the GUI
>>> With Interarchy I can set FTP uses SSL (AUTH TLS) : required in the
>>> security
>>> preferences
>>> -there is no visible indication in the GUI that there is a secure
>>> connection
>>> 
> 
> Hi Andre
> 
> With Cyberduck when I first tried to connect using FTP-SSL it would 
> not connect because the certificate from odin.on-rev.com was not 
> trusted.   When I clicked 'Always trust "odin.on-rev.com' then the 
> connection opened.  When I look in the keychain I find the certificate 
> for odin.on-rev.com and has SSL - always trust as the settings for the 
> certificate and it is trusted for ftp for my on-rev site
> 
> So it appears that at least FTP-SSL is working with on-rev using Cyberduck 
> or am I missing something.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Jan 17 17:02:25 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:02:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: secure FTP to on-rev server best practice
References: <1295290435278-3221244.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTinBV2jXkobsXOB6J-HjtjS9=jCpd1tiV4BMqhwU@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20110117T212521-436@post.gmane.org>
	<80C9C7A6-3BB6-4283-A9E6-8BEF695622EF@free.fr>
Message-ID: <loom.20110117T225808-34@post.gmane.org>

Pierre Sahores <psahores at ...> writes:

> 
> Martin,
> 
> Are you, from CyberDuck, able to see the files listing AND to upload/
>download files ?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Pierre
> 


Hi Pierre

I did some tests

I was able to list files, upload and download a file and also delete a file.

the URL that Cyberduck is using starts with ftps://


I purchased  an ssl certificate and static IP for a site that I have  hosted on 
on-rev from RunRev.  is this the reason why it works?

Martin






From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 17 17:27:47 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:27:47 -0200
Subject: ssh on-rev.com
In-Reply-To: <B63EBE9B-A1F0-4ECA-8B96-F8E7AB89AD8F@free.fr>
References: <32F0FEA8-927A-41DB-9D92-9644C217E2F9@free.fr>
	<B63EBE9B-A1F0-4ECA-8B96-F8E7AB89AD8F@free.fr>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinNLvu=o2TFvNFwc0r6_OOujDTxFddY+9krjchV@mail.gmail.com>

except if you want to transfer really large files, then I think $_POST_RAW
is reach memory limits and things will go downhill...

cheers
andre

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr> wrote:

> Hello Andre :D
>
> But they should indeed !!!
>
> Instead of making any .irev stuff rely on the non secure FTP protocol, i
> just hate because that, the libURL let us play in a very fine way with
>  $_POST_RAW and it works perfectly well there as a replacement for any kind
> of FTP targeted code.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Pierre
>
>
> Le 17 janv. 2011 ? 17:02, Andre Garzia a ?crit :
>
> > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr>
> wrote:
> >
> >> But, i would really like to see the same mothership close all our
> unsecure
> >> FTP accesses and replace them by a FTP-SSL + password + PKEY or SFTP +
> >> password + PKEY  accounts access policy.
> >
> >
> > they should not do that until livecode liburl has support for that kind
> of
> > stuffl... it would be horrible pr to have a server which your own product
> > can't connect...
> >
> > --
> > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
>
> --
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> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70
>
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Jan 17 17:40:29 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:40:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: on-rev redirect
Message-ID: <loom.20110117T232922-20@post.gmane.org>

I have an on-rev page that redirects to another page. 

 It does that by setting the location header with the 'put header' 
command which is documented in the on-rev engine notes
http://samples.on-rev.com/irev-engine-notes.txt

The redirect page does load but the address in the browser is the 
referring page and a POST from that page is posted to the 
referring page and not to the redirected page.

Is there something else that has to be done to get the page 
redirected to as the target of a POST command?

Martin




From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Mon Jan 17 18:04:55 2011
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 00:04:55 +0100
Subject: [Fr][En] Re: secure FTP to on-rev server best practice
In-Reply-To: <80C9C7A6-3BB6-4283-A9E6-8BEF695622EF@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1jv9jrx.1wmj7phah5or3M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr> wrote:

> Are you, from CyberDuck, able to see the files listing AND to
> upload/download files ?

I do use, me too, the Duck :-)

Et ?a marche tr?s bien :-)

On drague directement le fichier depuis une fen?tre Finder vers le
listing affich? dans Cyberduck

Pour un seul fichier ? la fois, quand j'ai fait une modif sous
TextWrangler, j'utilise le client FTP int?gr?

===

That works very well
Directly from a Finder window to the Cyberduck listing

For a unique file, I prefer to use TextWrangler and its FTP client

===

* pratique quand l'appli On-Rev est "paresseuse"
mais pas d'?chappatoire quand Loki se croise les bras et refuse de vous
reconnaitre (cPanel)...

===

Useful when the desktop app On-Rev is "lazy"
but no escape when Loki (cPanel) refuses your password...

I tried also the webdisk but is has its limitations (and is very slow)



From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Jan 17 18:06:45 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:06:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: ssh on-rev.com
References: <32F0FEA8-927A-41DB-9D92-9644C217E2F9@free.fr>
	<B63EBE9B-A1F0-4ECA-8B96-F8E7AB89AD8F@free.fr>
	<AANLkTinNLvu=o2TFvNFwc0r6_OOujDTxFddY+9krjchV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20110118T000403-239@post.gmane.org>

Andre Garzia <andre at ...> writes:

> 
> except if you want to transfer really large files, then I think $_POST_RAW
> is reach memory limits and things will go downhill...
> 
> cheers
> andre
> 
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Pierre Sahores <psahores at ...> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Andre :D
> >
> > But they should indeed !!!
> >
> > Instead of making any .irev stuff rely on the non secure FTP protocol, i
> > just hate because that, the libURL let us play in a very fine way with
> >  $_POST_RAW and it works perfectly well there as a replacement for any kind
> > of FTP targeted code.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Pierre
> >
 
 I have used $_POST_RAW for small files about 3MB and 
it has worked fine. but when I try a file of about 100 MB it does not work
at all.   I have not yet experimented to find where the upper limit lies
between 3 and 100 MB.

Martin




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Jan 17 18:09:14 2011
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:09:14 -0800
Subject: Megabundle 2009 $299 Update Ends in Five Days
Message-ID: <636DABE5F0B944A481BEF4FB65A79461@GATEWAY>

Hello all,

If you bought the Megabundle in 2009 (or earlier), you can update to our
Megabundle 2009 Update Special for only $299. But the deal ends this coming
weekend! This includes the following:

- Valentina ADK+ for LiveCode. 12 more months of updates, includes Mac,
Windows AND Linux, and a copy of Valentina Studio Admin (usually sold
separately for $99).

- Franklin 3D Pro for LiveCode. 12 more months of updates for the 3D game
engine.

- Franklin Audio Pro for LiveCode. New! Multi-channel Audio plugin for Mac
OS X/Windows deployment (usually sold separately for $99).

- Valentina Office Server Unlimited. This our full business server for your
business, unlimited connections! Has full reports engine, SSL, Bonjour/Zero
Config, PHP/RoR scripting, encryption and a whole lot more (usually sold for
$1499). Watch for the FREE clients, iValentina for iOS (separate versions
for iPad and iPhone) coming soon.

Info is Here:
http://www.franklin3d.com/news/110-livecode-megabundle-2009-update

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Jan 17 18:33:13 2011
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:33:13 -0800
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
Message-ID: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>

Hello all,

Just checking to see - who all is going this year? Just noticing that its
happening in April 2011, and we are shortly running out of January 2011.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 18:48:46 2011
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:48:46 +1000
Subject: on-rev redirect
In-Reply-To: <loom.20110117T232922-20@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20110117T232922-20@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=kk_QZzqLm7B6+zLOA_ioyQySBbbywo6NxR-Zh@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:
> I have an on-rev page that redirects to another page.
>
> ?It does that by setting the location header with the 'put header'
> command which is documented in the on-rev engine notes
> http://samples.on-rev.com/irev-engine-notes.txt
>
> The redirect page does load but the address in the browser is the
> referring page and a POST from that page is posted to the
> referring page and not to the redirected page.
>
> Is there something else that has to be done to get the page
> redirected to as the target of a POST command?


Here is what I use Martin, and it changes the URL in the address bar:

         put "http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/mobile.irev" into tMobilePage
         put new header "Status: 301 Moved Permanently"
         put new header "Location:" && tMobilePage

This is from <http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/desktop.irev>
and if the page detects a mobile device, it automatically redirects
using the script above.

I wonder does the Status line make a difference, or is it because I
use "put new header"?
It's been a while since I set this up, so I can't remember now.

Cheers,
Sarah



From psahores at free.fr  Mon Jan 17 19:15:21 2011
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 01:15:21 +0100
Subject: ssh on-rev.com
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinNLvu=o2TFvNFwc0r6_OOujDTxFddY+9krjchV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <32F0FEA8-927A-41DB-9D92-9644C217E2F9@free.fr>
	<B63EBE9B-A1F0-4ECA-8B96-F8E7AB89AD8F@free.fr>
	<AANLkTinNLvu=o2TFvNFwc0r6_OOujDTxFddY+9krjchV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <817503BA-4076-4C5F-B2D5-2B56D4B89FA7@free.fr>

No way to split those large files in multiples binary sections at POST before restoring their integrity when arrived on the server side ?

Best,

Pierre

Le 17 janv. 2011 ? 23:27, Andre Garzia a ?crit :

> except if you want to transfer really large files, then I think $_POST_RAW
> is reach memory limits and things will go downhill...
> 
> cheers
> andre
> 
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr> wrote:
> 
>> Hello Andre :D
>> 
>> But they should indeed !!!
>> 
>> Instead of making any .irev stuff rely on the non secure FTP protocol, i
>> just hate because that, the libURL let us play in a very fine way with
>> $_POST_RAW and it works perfectly well there as a replacement for any kind
>> of FTP targeted code.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Pierre
>> 
>> 
>> Le 17 janv. 2011 ? 17:02, Andre Garzia a ?crit :
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> But, i would really like to see the same mothership close all our
>> unsecure
>>>> FTP accesses and replace them by a FTP-SSL + password + PKEY or SFTP +
>>>> password + PKEY  accounts access policy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> they should not do that until livecode liburl has support for that kind
>> of
>>> stuffl... it would be horrible pr to have a server which your own product
>>> can't connect...
>>> 
>>> --
>>> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Pierre Sahores
>> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70
>> 
>> www.woooooooords.com
>> www.sahores-conseil.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com







From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jan 17 19:19:04 2011
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 00:19:04 +0000
Subject: on-rev redirect
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=kk_QZzqLm7B6+zLOA_ioyQySBbbywo6NxR-Zh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20110117T232922-20@post.gmane.org>
	<AANLkTi=kk_QZzqLm7B6+zLOA_ioyQySBbbywo6NxR-Zh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D34DC78.7040001@tweedly.net>

It's the 'status 301' line that does it. Setting a location is not, in 
general, enough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL_redirection says
>
> Sometimes, it is sufficient to print the "Location: 'url'" header line 
> from a normal CGI script. Many web servers choose one of the 3xx 
> status codes for such replies.
>
>
but you should use a status of 301 (permanent redirection) for the 
proper effect (302 - temporary redirection - is probably not what you 
want,  most browsers will display the redirected page, but the 
non-redirected URL).

-- Alex.


On 17/01/2011 23:48, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Martin Koob<mkoob at rogers.com>  wrote:
>> I have an on-rev page that redirects to another page.
>>
>>   It does that by setting the location header with the 'put header'
>> command which is documented in the on-rev engine notes
>> http://samples.on-rev.com/irev-engine-notes.txt
>>
>> The redirect page does load but the address in the browser is the
>> referring page and a POST from that page is posted to the
>> referring page and not to the redirected page.
>>
>> Is there something else that has to be done to get the page
>> redirected to as the target of a POST command?
>
> Here is what I use Martin, and it changes the URL in the address bar:
>
>           put "http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/mobile.irev" into tMobilePage
>           put new header "Status: 301 Moved Permanently"
>           put new header "Location:"&&  tMobilePage
>
> This is from<http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/desktop.irev>
> and if the page detects a mobile device, it automatically redirects
> using the script above.
>
> I wonder does the Status line make a difference, or is it because I
> use "put new header"?
> It's been a while since I set this up, so I can't remember now.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From psahores at free.fr  Mon Jan 17 19:20:57 2011
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 01:20:57 +0100
Subject: [Fr][En] Re: secure FTP to on-rev server best practice
In-Reply-To: <1jv9jrx.1wmj7phah5or3M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
References: <1jv9jrx.1wmj7phah5or3M%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <E2B66C86-90B8-4240-8709-D89713190E64@free.fr>

Thanks for the precision. I need to have a new try.

A+,

Pierre

Le 18 janv. 2011 ? 00:04, Medard a ?crit :

> Pierre Sahores <psahores at free.fr> wrote:
> 
>> Are you, from CyberDuck, able to see the files listing AND to
>> upload/download files ?
> 
> I do use, me too, the Duck :-)
> 
> Et ?a marche tr?s bien :-)
> 
> On drague directement le fichier depuis une fen?tre Finder vers le
> listing affich? dans Cyberduck
> 
> Pour un seul fichier ? la fois, quand j'ai fait une modif sous
> TextWrangler, j'utilise le client FTP int?gr?
> 
> ===
> 
> That works very well
> Directly from a Finder window to the Cyberduck listing
> 
> For a unique file, I prefer to use TextWrangler and its FTP client
> 
> ===
> 
> * pratique quand l'appli On-Rev est "paresseuse"
> mais pas d'?chappatoire quand Loki se croise les bras et refuse de vous
> reconnaitre (cPanel)...
> 
> ===
> 
> Useful when the desktop app On-Rev is "lazy"
> but no escape when Loki (cPanel) refuses your password...
> 
> I tried also the webdisk but is has its limitations (and is very slow)
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 

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www.woooooooords.com
www.sahores-conseil.com







From psahores at free.fr  Mon Jan 17 19:24:16 2011
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 01:24:16 +0100
Subject: secure FTP to on-rev server best practice
In-Reply-To: <loom.20110117T225808-34@post.gmane.org>
References: <1295290435278-3221244.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTinBV2jXkobsXOB6J-HjtjS9=jCpd1tiV4BMqhwU@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20110117T212521-436@post.gmane.org>
	<80C9C7A6-3BB6-4283-A9E6-8BEF695622EF@free.fr>
	<loom.20110117T225808-34@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <A08E051C-979A-499E-AA55-2A09F253CE01@free.fr>

Thanks Martin. Will try.

Best,

Pierre

Le 17 janv. 2011 ? 23:02, Martin Koob a ?crit :

> Pierre Sahores <psahores at ...> writes:
> 
>> 
>> Martin,
>> 
>> Are you, from CyberDuck, able to see the files listing AND to upload/
>> download files ?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Pierre
>> 
> 
> 
> Hi Pierre
> 
> I did some tests
> 
> I was able to list files, upload and download a file and also delete a file.
> 
> the URL that Cyberduck is using starts with ftps://
> 
> 
> I purchased  an ssl certificate and static IP for a site that I have  hosted on 
> on-rev from RunRev.  is this the reason why it works?
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> 
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www.sahores-conseil.com







From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 17 19:33:28 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:33:28 -0800
Subject: Using Shell to run a DOS program
In-Reply-To: <1295297271924-3221259.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <AANLkTinXBdyv4u48-Y39vopRWmvZgKmHWGhh-rvP=Dyt@mail.gmail.com>
	<75229CD1-A84B-49AA-BC60-E7A1AE0371E6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1295297271924-3221259.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <954A2D40-4CE6-419D-9916-AB6831025094@twft.com>

You cannot. Even an emulator would be isolated from the Mac OS X system. 

Bob


On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Many thanks for testing this script! :-)
> 
> Mark Schonewille wrote:
>> Are you sure that the file name should contain an additional space?
>> "file:C:\CRC32OUTPUT.txt "
>> You give very little information. Does crc32 do anything at all
>> when called from LiveCode? Errors? Files created? Anything? Nothing?
> 
> No, this additional space is a typo in the message.
> Good catch! :-D
> 
> CRC32.exe works on the command prompt
> but not inside LiveCode. 
> 
> It does not produce errors and do not create any file.
> It does not produce anything. Nothing at all
> 
> I am testing this using Rev 2.8 and 4.0 
> using this DOS program: 
> http://www34.brinkster.com/dizzyk/download/crc32.zip
> 
> downloaded from this page: 
> http://www34.brinkster.com/dizzyk/crc32.asp
> 
> Now, my curiosity is awakened with your answer.
> How do you test a Dos program using Mac OS X?
> 
> Thanks in advance! 
> 
> Al
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Using-Shell-to-run-a-DOS-program-tp3220717p3221259.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 17 19:36:27 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:36:27 -0800
Subject: Import Snapshot Broken in 4.5.3?
In-Reply-To: <4D34A733.5060404@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C95491AA.50193%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<2AD314BF-D6E9-4C17-BCA9-D47EF07D13DE@gmail.com>
	<90A3F1FA-1533-4325-9344-58AFA9A526AC@twft.com>
	<4D34A733.5060404@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CBBDC87A-20D5-415C-B226-696BD15EE0EA@twft.com>

I have one of yours. I filled it with popcorn and am using it for a cat toy. 

Bob


On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/17/11 11:52 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> Peter,
>> 
>> That's actually one of the weird side effects of Jacque's Time Travel
>> stack. The first time she launched it, we all started experiencing
>> this anomaly. We also noticed that the socks we put into the dryer
>> were not always the socks we took back out.
> 
> Kevin has your socks. And I believe I have his. And I don't know who has mine.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 17 19:41:23 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:41:23 -0800
Subject: ssh on-rev.com
In-Reply-To: <loom.20110118T000403-239@post.gmane.org>
References: <32F0FEA8-927A-41DB-9D92-9644C217E2F9@free.fr>
	<B63EBE9B-A1F0-4ECA-8B96-F8E7AB89AD8F@free.fr>
	<AANLkTinNLvu=o2TFvNFwc0r6_OOujDTxFddY+9krjchV@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20110118T000403-239@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <9E2577FE-A108-48DC-86A1-54A3AD34CADE@twft.com>

Ima gonna guess at 8 megs, 16 megs, 32 megs or 64 megs. It's just a hunch...

Bob


On Jan 17, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Martin Koob wrote:

> Andre Garzia <andre at ...> writes:
> 
>> 
>> except if you want to transfer really large files, then I think $_POST_RAW
>> is reach memory limits and things will go downhill...
>> 
>> cheers
>> andre
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Pierre Sahores <psahores at ...> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Andre :D
>>> 
>>> But they should indeed !!!
>>> 
>>> Instead of making any .irev stuff rely on the non secure FTP protocol, i
>>> just hate because that, the libURL let us play in a very fine way with
>>> $_POST_RAW and it works perfectly well there as a replacement for any kind
>>> of FTP targeted code.
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> 
>>> Pierre
>>> 
> 
> I have used $_POST_RAW for small files about 3MB and 
> it has worked fine. but when I try a file of about 100 MB it does not work
> at all.   I have not yet experimented to find where the upper limit lies
> between 3 and 100 MB.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Jan 17 20:23:22 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 01:23:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: on-rev redirect
References: <loom.20110117T232922-20@post.gmane.org>
	<AANLkTi=kk_QZzqLm7B6+zLOA_ioyQySBbbywo6NxR-Zh@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D34DC78.7040001@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <loom.20110118T021610-996@post.gmane.org>

Alex Tweedly <alex at ...> writes:

> 
> It's the 'status 301' line that does it. Setting a location is not, in 
> general, enough.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL_redirection says
> >
> > Sometimes, it is sufficient to print the "Location: 'url'" header line 
> > from a normal CGI script. Many web servers choose one of the 3xx 
> > status codes for such replies.
> >
> >
> but you should use a status of 301 (permanent redirection) for the 
> proper effect (302 - temporary redirection - is probably not what you 
> want,  most browsers will display the redirected page, but the 
> non-redirected URL).
> 


Thanks Sarah and Alex.  I tried using different combinations of the Status 301
line and the 'put new header' command.  It is the Status 301 line that makes
 the difference.  Using Sarah's example

         put header "Status: 301 Moved Permanently"
         put header "Location:" && tMobilePage

works equally well as

         put new header "Status: 301 Moved Permanently"
         put new header "Location:" && tMobilePage

So 'new' does not seem to make a difference here.  Is there a 
situation where the 'new' would be required?

Thanks again

Martin






From rjb at robelko.com  Mon Jan 17 20:41:17 2011
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 02:41:17 +0100
Subject: Sqlite connection problem
In-Reply-To: <092DD45A-ED2A-4182-BAB7-20AB1A7ED483@system-ini.it>
References: <092DD45A-ED2A-4182-BAB7-20AB1A7ED483@system-ini.it>
Message-ID: <p0624081ac95a9f4823a0@[192.168.1.94]>

On 15.01.11 at 09:42 +0100 Alessandro Pisoni apparently wrote:
>I have serius connection problem with my database sqlite.
>
>my code is this:
>
>on mouseUp
>   put tAppPath() & "GestPres.db" into tDB
>   put revOpenDatabase("sqlite",tDB,,,,,) into mydb
>   revCloseDatabase mydb
>end mouseUp
>

Are you trying to connect from standalone or in IDE?
Have you tried pretesting the file path?

on mouseUp
   put tAppPath() & "GestPres.db" into tDB
   if there is not a file tDB then
     beep
     replace slash with slash & cr in tDB
     answer error tDB & cr & "File not found."
   else
     put revOpenDatabase("sqlite",tDB,,,,,) into mydb
     revCloseDatabase mydb
   end if
end mouseUp

Robert



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 17 20:49:43 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:49:43 -0600
Subject: [OT]:Socks [was: Import Snapshot Broken in 4.5.3?]
In-Reply-To: <CBBDC87A-20D5-415C-B226-696BD15EE0EA@twft.com>
References: <C95491AA.50193%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<2AD314BF-D6E9-4C17-BCA9-D47EF07D13DE@gmail.com>	<90A3F1FA-1533-4325-9344-58AFA9A526AC@twft.com>	<4D34A733.5060404@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CBBDC87A-20D5-415C-B226-696BD15EE0EA@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D34F1B7.4090806@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/17/11 6:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> I have one of yours. I filled it with popcorn and am using it for a cat toy.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> On 1/17/11 11:52 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> That's actually one of the weird side effects of Jacque's Time Travel
>>> stack. The first time she launched it, we all started experiencing
>>> this anomaly. We also noticed that the socks we put into the dryer
>>> were not always the socks we took back out.
>>
>> Kevin has your socks. And I believe I have his. And I don't know who has mine.


If I recall, an ancient Greek philosopher invented that toy. He named it 
after himself: Sock-Rat Tease.

Next time throw it back into the dryer. Maybe my neighbor will get it 
and I can pick it up.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Jan 17 20:55:29 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:55:29 -0500
Subject: [OT]:Socks [was: Import Snapshot Broken in 4.5.3?]
In-Reply-To: <4D34F1B7.4090806@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C95491AA.50193%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<2AD314BF-D6E9-4C17-BCA9-D47EF07D13DE@gmail.com>
	<90A3F1FA-1533-4325-9344-58AFA9A526AC@twft.com>
	<4D34A733.5060404@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CBBDC87A-20D5-415C-B226-696BD15EE0EA@twft.com>
	<4D34F1B7.4090806@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CEF95236-6107-4DD5-8AEE-27E8B035B456@verizon.net>


On Jan 17, 2011, at 8:49 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> 
> If I recall, an ancient Greek philosopher invented that toy. He named it after himself: Sock-Rat Tease.

Is it true that he wore his socks for six months, until his friend Pythagoras exclaimed "you reeker!"





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Jan 17 22:43:45 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:43:45 -0800
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <137125811031.20110117194345@ahsoftware.net>

Lynn-

Monday, January 17, 2011, 3:33:13 PM, you wrote:

> Just checking to see - who all is going this year? Just noticing that its
> happening in April 2011, and we are shortly running out of January 2011.

I'm going. That'll probably keep some folks away, but I thought it
fair to give you warning.

And I'm still distressed that there's no mention of the conference on
the website. And hasn't been for some time. I'm assuming the
conference is still on, but you know what they say about assuming.

Meanwhile, MacWorld Expo is next week. Does anybody care anymore?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Mon Jan 17 22:53:52 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:53:52 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <48B1573F-8E01-4DAB-9C0E-6094D39FF3FE@pacifier.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>
	<4D33DC81.3040805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<589AD6FD-E045-4D27-9950-F244B0794690@mac.com>
	<48B1573F-8E01-4DAB-9C0E-6094D39FF3FE@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <0115362F-0594-44F0-91AC-13A2B1FF2871@mac.com>

JB, yes that would be great. I am still trying to figure out why the Arduino will not recognize (or will but then crashes).

Send it to wither of my addresses.

Thanks


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:32 AM, -=>JB wrote:

> I wrote a serial stack if you want to look at examples of how
> to use the serial port and set the serialcontrol string.  If you
> would like I will send it to you.
> 
> -=>JB<=-
> 
> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:15 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> I will try this today when I get back home.
>> 
>> should it be  open file "modem:tty.usbmodem1a21"
>> 
>> I gotta look up the serialControlString
>> 
>> Thanks will get back with the results
>> 
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:06 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> 
>>> On 1/16/11 10:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>>> The dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 does not show up in the list using the
>>>> SerialTest.rev stack.
>>>> 
>>>> It does show up in the Arduino software Serial list. Also in the
>>>> Arduino you have to use the tty.usbmodem1a21. Also when you plug the
>>>> Arduino in the Mac detects a new modem and asks to set it up in
>>>> Internet preferences pane. hit apply and then it shows up in
>>>> Arduino.
>>> 
>>> If the Mac thinks it's a modem, I'd try using "open file" as Mark Waddingham suggested. Specify "modem:" and set the serialControlString. He did mention that the drivernames aren't always accurate on OS X.
>>> 
>>> If that doesn't work, use "open file" with the "/dev/" path. I'm not sure which path would work, I guess you'd need to test them all. Basically the one that works in Terminal should work in LiveCode.
>>> 
>>> Did you try talking to it in Terminal? Does that work?
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> 
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From ma at snowcamp.org  Mon Jan 17 23:52:08 2011
From: ma at snowcamp.org (Mike Arnold)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:52:08 -0500
Subject: revBrowser & scrollbars & resize Control
Message-ID: <919F6AAA-39BC-4BDD-9FCC-687DC62332B3@snowcamp.org>

I have a stack with only a revbrowser instance filling the entire card.  I have vertical and horizontal scrollbars enabled with the window being resizeable.  Where the two scrollbars meet, there is an empty box - where I would expect to be able to put the resize control, but it seems that I have to define an area outside either the vertical or horizontal scroll area of at least 1 pixel to allow some part of the resize control to exist.  Is there a way to overlay the resize control and the revBrowser scrollbar-interesection-defined 'box'?

thanks,
Mike.


From jhj at jhj.com  Tue Jan 18 00:38:07 2011
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:38:07 -0800
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <137125811031.20110117194345@ahsoftware.net>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
	<137125811031.20110117194345@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AB75D5BC-E400-4D99-B654-B70FA16E1659@jhj.com>

On Jan 17, 2011, at 7:43 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Lynn-
> 
> Monday, January 17, 2011, 3:33:13 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> Just checking to see - who all is going this year? Just noticing that its
>> happening in April 2011, and we are shortly running out of January 2011.
> 
> I'm going. That'll probably keep some folks away, but I thought it
> fair to give you warning.
> 
> And I'm still distressed that there's no mention of the conference on
> the website. And hasn't been for some time. I'm assuming the
> conference is still on, but you know what they say about assuming.
> 
> Meanwhile, MacWorld Expo is next week. Does anybody care anymore?

I don't care about MacWorld anymore. I do care about macs.

I'll be at RR/LC Live 2011 if its still on. If its not, I'd appreciate a notice as its at exactly the same time as the Asilomar Microcomputer Conference, which I have not missed in 15 years.

--Jerry Jensen




From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 00:38:43 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 01:38:43 -0400
Subject: Using Shell to run a DOS program
Message-ID: <AANLkTimYErWveHk3GtaH+33sNx+MxabG-sWdSrB93jE=@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

David C. wrote:

>Try this one, which works on this end:
>on mouseUp
>-- must set the folder location to the same as crc32.exe
>   set the defaultFolder to "C:\crc32\"
>   put "crc32.exe" into tCommand
>  put " readme.txt > c:\crc32\output.txt" into tArg
>   put tCommand & tArg into tShellText
>  set the hideconsolewindows to true
>   get shell (tShellText)
>   get URL "file:c:\crc32\output.txt"
>   put it -- put in message box
>   --put it into fld "Field1" -- put in field
>end mouseUp

Oh. I must set the defaultFolder first...
Yes, the Docs mention this:
"The command is executed in the current defaultFolder"
and this actually means:

Before using shell with a command line application
you must set the default folder to the folder where
this Command line application resides.
For example: ...- paste example published by David-

This particular information, with the example provided
by David, could be an useful addition to the Online
dictionary.

Many Thanks again, David,
for publishing and testing
this handler!

Al



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 18 01:49:41 2011
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:49:41 -0800
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <AB75D5BC-E400-4D99-B654-B70FA16E1659@jhj.com>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
	<137125811031.20110117194345@ahsoftware.net>
	<AB75D5BC-E400-4D99-B654-B70FA16E1659@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <63D2241E-7041-4298-AB7C-12E94369DAFF@yahoo.com>

The details are at
    http://www.runrevlive.com/


On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Jerry J wrote:
>
> I don't care about MacWorld anymore. I do care about macs.
>
> I'll be at RR/LC Live 2011 if its still on. If its not, I'd  
> appreciate a notice as its at exactly the same time as the Asilomar  
> Microcomputer Conference, which I have not missed in 15 years.
>
> --Jerry Jensen
>

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From jhj at jhj.com  Tue Jan 18 02:37:46 2011
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:37:46 -0800
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <63D2241E-7041-4298-AB7C-12E94369DAFF@yahoo.com>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
	<137125811031.20110117194345@ahsoftware.net>
	<AB75D5BC-E400-4D99-B654-B70FA16E1659@jhj.com>
	<63D2241E-7041-4298-AB7C-12E94369DAFF@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0ACBEAB5-25C5-41EC-B4B4-ED5EDB8126D8@jhj.com>

Thanks Jim, I feel better now!

On Jan 17, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> The details are at
>   http://www.runrevlive.com/
> 
> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Jerry J wrote:
>> 
>> I don't care about MacWorld anymore. I do care about macs.
>> 
>> I'll be at RR/LC Live 2011 if its still on. If its not, I'd appreciate a notice as its at exactly the same time as the Asilomar Microcomputer Conference, which I have not missed in 15 years.
>> 
>> --Jerry Jensen
>> 
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas





From claus at dreischer.de  Tue Jan 18 04:11:03 2011
From: claus at dreischer.de (Claus Dreischer)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:11:03 +0100
Subject: revBrowserSet, search a second string
In-Reply-To: <4B746A3A.1010905@dreischer.de>
References: <C799A132.92F5%tsj@unimelb.edu.au> <4B746A3A.1010905@dreischer.de>
Message-ID: <4D355927.7000305@dreischer.de>

... solved with 4.6.0-dp-1

Regards,
	Claus.

Am 11.02.10 21:36, schrieb Claus Dreischer:
> Hi Terry,
> 
> i think i have found some vital information regarding this problem:
> 
>>From my tests a browser refresh like
> 
> 	revBrowserRefresh sBrowserId
> 
> breaks any subsequent searches like
> 	
> 	revBrowserSet sBrowserId, "selected", "This"
> 
> 
> I don't think this is supposed to happen, right?
> I tested on Win XP with IE 6
> 
> 
> Anyone like to test and confirm?
> 
> 	revGoURL "http://www.dreischer.de/RefreshBrowser.rev"
> 
> Works on Mac OS X 10.6,
> but breaks (= does not search anymore) on Win XP.
> 
> I think this qualifies as a bug.
> 
> Regards,
> 	Claus.



From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl  Tue Jan 18 05:06:30 2011
From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:06:30 +0100
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <4D34A9DC.4060302@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>	<AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>	<B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>	<4D33DC81.3040805@hyperactivesw.com>	<589AD6FD-E045-4D27-9950-F244B0794690@mac.com>	<4D34A32C.3030702@hyperactivesw.com>
	<8B27D88C-B957-48F0-99B2-5303CA6E9EA7@twft.com>
	<4D34A9DC.4060302@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <774CAC87-F933-4538-8B2D-876D89F3899C@fiberworld.nl>

Hi Thomas,

I just ordered a arduino yesterday and hope to have it tommorow.
I sure hope this can be solved. (Well I am very positive about that, one way or another, that's why I ordered one anyway)

I have been looking on the web. I guess you did this already but just in case, here are some links
http://www.patokeefe.com/archives/316
http://ricardo-dias.com/node/130
http://code.google.com/p/xcode-arduino-serial-communication/

and in the livecode forum there is a thread about the arduino and apparently mmiele got it working :

by mmiele ? Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:25 am

I used MacOS Tiger and then Leopard. 

What you need is: 

1 - download and install from the Arduino site (http://www.arduino.cc) the Arduino SDK. 

2 - download and install from the Arduino site or the FTDI site (http://www.ftdichip.com) the driver to see the Arduino USB as a serial port. 

3 - connect the arduino board to an USB port of your Mac. 

You will see is a new entry in the list of serial devices. 
You can get the list reading the "driverNames" property: ex. 

put the driverNames into field "serialPorts". 

You can get a useful stack to test serial communication at 

http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials.php 

The stack is SerialTest.rev
mmiele
 
Posts: 17
Joined: Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:25 pm
Location: Naples, Italy


this is from: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2419

I hope you can get it working quickly and otherwise I will join your efford as soon as my arduino arrives.


Best wishes,
   Claudi


From bmmeili at swissonline.ch  Tue Jan 18 06:41:30 2011
From: bmmeili at swissonline.ch (Martin Meili)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:41:30 +0100
Subject: Radio Buttons
Message-ID: <13DDCE84-6DFC-4A10-A0AA-32EE59C65050@swissonline.ch>

Hi
I don't know whether I've understood your problem correctly or not.  
But, just in case, I usually do these things the following way:

on mouseup
      if the hilite of me <> true then
      set the hilite of me to true
break
    end if
    if the hilite of me = true then
        set the hilite of me to false
    end if
end mouseup

Make sure that the autohilite property of your button is set to false.

Cheers
Martin



From th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com  Tue Jan 18 06:58:02 2011
From: th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com (Thierry)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:58:02 +0100
Subject: Radio Buttons
In-Reply-To: <13DDCE84-6DFC-4A10-A0AA-32EE59C65050@swissonline.ch>
References: <13DDCE84-6DFC-4A10-A0AA-32EE59C65050@swissonline.ch>
Message-ID: <DA33C138-5723-4DA2-BEDD-B357CE33F747@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 18 janv. 2011 ? 12:41, Martin Meili a ?crit :

> on mouseup
>     if the hilite of me <> true then
>     set the hilite of me to true
> break
>   end if
>   if the hilite of me = true then
>       set the hilite of me to false
>   end if
> end mouseup

Hi,

this script does the same as yours  :

on mouseup
    set the hilite of me to not the hilite of me
end mouseup

My 2 cents.

Thierry






From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 07:16:09 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:16:09 +0100
Subject: Contextual menu trouble
References: <5E79A44810012441A53A465B3EE74C5F5B5A82@server-2.koetsveld.nl>
Message-ID: <BBCC398A-8C27-4CF7-838C-3475A918EF02@gmail.com>


> 
> 

> Hi there,
> 
> I am working on a contextual menu in a textfield. 
> I searched this list, the forum on Runrev and used the Dictionary. 
> Everything works: I get a right click in a field but nothing happens
> after I choose the contextual menu. 
> Am I missing something?
> 
> 
> In a field:
> on mouseDown theMouseButton
>   if theMouseButton is 3 then
>      popup button "popup"
>  else 
>    pass mouseDown
>  end if
> end mouseDown
> 
> on mouseUp theMouseButton
>   if theMouseButton is 3 then
>     popup button "popup"
>  else 
>    pass mouseUp
>  end if
> end mouseUp
> 
> Button "popup":
> on menuPick pItemName
>   switch pItemName
>  case "Cut"
>    cut 
>    break
> case "Copy"
>    copy 
>    break
>  case "Paste"
>    paste 
>    break
>  end switch
> end menuPick
> 
> Greetings,  
> 
> William


From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Tue Jan 18 07:28:07 2011
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:28:07 +0000
Subject: Contextual menu trouble
In-Reply-To: <BBCC398A-8C27-4CF7-838C-3475A918EF02@gmail.com>
References: <5E79A44810012441A53A465B3EE74C5F5B5A82@server-2.koetsveld.nl>,
	<BBCC398A-8C27-4CF7-838C-3475A918EF02@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-w26FD5C5C327EAA1146E281EDF70@phx.gbl>



You might try.... in the script of a field, with the 'lockText' set to true

on mouseDown
   if  the menuMouseButton of button 1 = 1 then
      popUp button 1
   end if
end mouseDown

be well

> > I am working on a contextual menu in a textfield. 
> > I searched this list, the forum on Runrev and used the Dictionary. 
> > Everything works: I get a right click in a field but nothing happens
> > after I choose the contextual menu. 
> > Am I missing something?
> > 
> > 
> > In a field:
> > on mouseDown theMouseButton
> >   if theMouseButton is 3 then
> >      popup button "popup"
> >  else 
> >    pass mouseDown
> >  end if
> > end mouseDown
> > 
> > on mouseUp theMouseButton
> >   if theMouseButton is 3 then
> >     popup button "popup"
> >  else 
> >    pass mouseUp
> >  end if
> > end mouseUp
> > 
> > Button "popup":
> > on menuPick pItemName
> >   switch pItemName
> >  case "Cut"
> >    cut 
> >    break
> > case "Copy"
> >    copy 
> >    break
> >  case "Paste"
> >    paste 
> >    break
> >  end switch
> > end menuPick
> > 
> > Greetings,  
> > 
> > William
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From harald at etcpp.de  Tue Jan 18 07:31:20 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:31:20 +0100
Subject: datagrid (loc of elements)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikHwv4mz=U6nEXHO=c85HNrS2Y3JK7X+wKsSvfr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D323AC8.4010606@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTi=7XRuEZMUi_85WqJWWdWAzMdA63WMUXLGUDdm_@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D323E9C.8010005@eml.cc>
	<58F6C924-E503-48F4-9BC8-1C694FBE3193@gmail.com>
	<4D32473A.6000403@eml.cc>
	<F1894C33-E41A-4BF9-B152-CC896EA53600@yahoo.com>
	<0B79DDCE-AD1B-4FB8-A2BC-14F5A13F35DA@etcpp.de>
	<AANLkTikHwv4mz=U6nEXHO=c85HNrS2Y3JK7X+wKsSvfr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F19B4BE1-403E-47AF-B94D-30955E0DFE8B@etcpp.de>

I read the API-docs but didn't come to the solution you describe.
Thanks, I will give this a try!

Best regards,
Harald M?ller.

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| Theodor-K?rner-Stra?e 4, 97072 W?rzburg
| Telefon + 49-[0]931-329090-42




> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Harald M?ller <harald at etcpp.de> wrote:
> 
>> I try to show an card element at the loc of the selected line of a datagrid
>> form.
>> Is there a way to get the loc of datagrid element or will I have to put it
>> inside
>> the datagrid and toggle the visible when a line is hilted?
>> 
> 
> Since you are using a form you can take a look at the dgDataControlOfLine
> property.
> 
> put the dgDataControlOfLine[ the dgHilitedLine of group "DataGrid" ] of
> group "DataGrid" into theControl
> if theControl is not empty then
>    put the loc of theControl into theLoc
>    ....
> end if
> 
> Take a look at the entry in the API docs:
> 
> http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7344-Data-Grid-API
> 
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From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Tue Jan 18 08:26:11 2011
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 05:26:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Progress bar
In-Reply-To: <1295293490031-3221250.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1295293490031-3221250.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1295357171694-3221324.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi steve,

You could do someting like this:

sb1 is the name of the scrollbar


This is in the script of Check1 (check box 1)

For ease, lets assume you have 10 check boxes.

//Initially set the start and end points for the scrollbar sb1

set the startValue of scrollbar "sb1" to 0
set the endValue of scrollbar "sb1" to 100

//In the checkboxes
on mouseUp
   if the hilite of btn "Check1" is true then
   set the thumbPos of scrollbar "sb1" to the thumbpos of scrollbar "sb1"
+10
else
   set the thumbPos of scrollbar "sb1" to the thumbpos of scrollbar "sb1"
-10
   end if
end mouseUp

It would be more efficient to use a function for this but this will get you
running.




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From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Tue Jan 18 08:26:43 2011
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 05:26:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Progress bar
In-Reply-To: <1295293490031-3221250.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1295293490031-3221250.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1295357203628-3221325.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi steve,

You could do someting like this:

sb1 is the name of the scrollbar


This is in the script of Check1 (check box 1)

For ease, lets assume you have 10 check boxes.

//Initially set the start and end points for the scrollbar sb1

set the startValue of scrollbar "sb1" to 0
set the endValue of scrollbar "sb1" to 100

//In the checkboxes
on mouseUp
   if the hilite of btn "Check1" is true then
   set the thumbPos of scrollbar "sb1" to the thumbpos of scrollbar "sb1"
+10
else
   set the thumbPos of scrollbar "sb1" to the thumbpos of scrollbar "sb1"
-10
   end if
end mouseUp

It would be more efficient to use a function for this but this will get you
running.




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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 11:34:03 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:34:03 +0100
Subject: Contextual menu trouble
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-w26FD5C5C327EAA1146E281EDF70@phx.gbl>
References: <5E79A44810012441A53A465B3EE74C5F5B5A82@server-2.koetsveld.nl>
	<BBCC398A-8C27-4CF7-838C-3475A918EF02@gmail.com>
	<BAY152-w26FD5C5C327EAA1146E281EDF70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=qxK3xAFu30dNxHPmfuTiAZxKo=DJEJcawZu_6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

@John: with the Locktext set to true?
This way I cannot paste into the field.

I feel real stupid because it doesn't work.
Anyone?

In a field:
on mouseDown theMouseButton
  if theMouseButton is 3 then
     popup button "popup"
 else
   pass mouseDown
 end if
end mouseDown

on mouseUp theMouseButton
  if theMouseButton is 3 then
    popup button "popup"
 else
   pass mouseUp
 end if
end mouseUp

Button "popup":
on menuPick pItemName
  switch pItemName
 case "Cut"
   cut
   break
 case "Copy"
   copy
   break
 case "Paste"
   paste
   break
 end switch
end menuPick



greetings,
William



2011/1/18 John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk>:
>
>
> You might try.... in the script of a field, with the 'lockText' set to true
>
> on mouseDown
> ? if ?the menuMouseButton of button 1 = 1 then
> ? ? ?popUp button 1
> ? end if
> end mouseDown
>
> be well
>
>> > I am working on a contextual menu in a textfield.
>> > I searched this list, the forum on Runrev and used the Dictionary.
>> > Everything works: I get a right click in a field but nothing happens
>> > after I choose the contextual menu.
>> > Am I missing something?
>> >
>> >
>> > In a field:
>> > on mouseDown theMouseButton
>> > ? if theMouseButton is 3 then
>> > ? ? ?popup button "popup"
>> > ?else
>> > ? ?pass mouseDown
>> > ?end if
>> > end mouseDown
>> >
>> > on mouseUp theMouseButton
>> > ? if theMouseButton is 3 then
>> > ? ? popup button "popup"
>> > ?else
>> > ? ?pass mouseUp
>> > ?end if
>> > end mouseUp
>> >
>> > Button "popup":
>> > on menuPick pItemName
>> > ? switch pItemName
>> > ?case "Cut"
>> > ? ?cut
>> > ? ?break
>> > case "Copy"
>> > ? ?copy
>> > ? ?break
>> > ?case "Paste"
>> > ? ?paste
>> > ? ?break
>> > ?end switch
>> > end menuPick
>> >
>> > Greetings,
>> >
>> > William
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From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Tue Jan 18 11:46:59 2011
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 08:46:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Progress bar
In-Reply-To: <1295368409695-3223414.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1295293490031-3221250.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1295357171694-3221324.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1295368409695-3223414.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1295369219821-3223451.post@n4.nabble.com>


Yes you would need to do someting like this

If the scroolbar is on another card in the same stack:

set the thumbPos of scrollbar "sb1" of card "mycard" to the thumbpos of
scrollbar "sb1" + 10


If the scroolbar is on another card in a different stack:

set the thumbPos of scrollbar "sb1" of card "mycard" of stack "mystack" to
the thumbpos of scrollbar "sb1" +10


Hope this helps

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From tereza at califex.com  Tue Jan 18 11:59:31 2011
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:59:31 -0600
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <2DB823BB-72D6-472F-A4E3-1332009851E1@califex.com>


On Jan 17, 2011, at 5:33 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> Just checking to see - who all is going this year? Just noticing that its
> happening in April 2011, and we are shortly running out of January 2011.


I?ll be there


t


-- 
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Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>







From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 18 12:07:06 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:07:06 -0800
Subject: [OT]:Socks [was: Import Snapshot Broken in 4.5.3?]
In-Reply-To: <4D34F1B7.4090806@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C95491AA.50193%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<2AD314BF-D6E9-4C17-BCA9-D47EF07D13DE@gmail.com>	<90A3F1FA-1533-4325-9344-58AFA9A526AC@twft.com>	<4D34A733.5060404@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CBBDC87A-20D5-415C-B226-696BD15EE0EA@twft.com>
	<4D34F1B7.4090806@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <224332A9-9390-4E29-BC79-E77E0FCC6FEF@twft.com>

I have been truly outdone. Cudos. 

Bob


On Jan 17, 2011, at 5:49 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/17/11 6:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> I have one of yours. I filled it with popcorn and am using it for a cat toy.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> 
>>> On 1/17/11 11:52 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>>> Peter,
>>>> 
>>>> That's actually one of the weird side effects of Jacque's Time Travel
>>>> stack. The first time she launched it, we all started experiencing
>>>> this anomaly. We also noticed that the socks we put into the dryer
>>>> were not always the socks we took back out.
>>> 
>>> Kevin has your socks. And I believe I have his. And I don't know who has mine.
> 
> 
> If I recall, an ancient Greek philosopher invented that toy. He named it after himself: Sock-Rat Tease.
> 
> Next time throw it back into the dryer. Maybe my neighbor will get it and I can pick it up.
> 
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From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Tue Jan 18 12:08:45 2011
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:08:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Contextual menu trouble
In-Reply-To: <BBCC398A-8C27-4CF7-838C-3475A918EF02@gmail.com>
References: <BBCC398A-8C27-4CF7-838C-3475A918EF02@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1295370525771-3223503.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi William

Have a look here:

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Live-LiveCode-Code-Event-6-td3215816.html#a3219909
http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Live-LiveCode-Code-Event-6-td3215816.html#a3219909 

There's, a great example from Bj?rnke von Gierke 

Scroll down to the 16th.



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From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 18 12:10:46 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:10:46 -0800
Subject: Radio Buttons
In-Reply-To: <13DDCE84-6DFC-4A10-A0AA-32EE59C65050@swissonline.ch>
References: <13DDCE84-6DFC-4A10-A0AA-32EE59C65050@swissonline.ch>
Message-ID: <4DEBFF6B-F31B-43EB-9853-06C83BAB3658@twft.com>

You can use break in an if end if structure??

Bob


On Jan 18, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Martin Meili wrote:

> Hi
> I don't know whether I've understood your problem correctly or not. But, just in case, I usually do these things the following way:
> 
> on mouseup
>     if the hilite of me <> true then
>     set the hilite of me to true
> break
>   end if
>   if the hilite of me = true then
>       set the hilite of me to false
>   end if
> end mouseup
> 
> Make sure that the autohilite property of your button is set to false.
> 
> Cheers
> Martin
> 
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Jan 18 12:15:10 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:15:10 -0800
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <4D35CA9E.9040506@pdslabs.net>

I plan to be there.
Phil Davis


On 1/17/11 3:33 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Just checking to see - who all is going this year? Just noticing that its
> happening in April 2011, and we are shortly running out of January 2011.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
>
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Jan 18 12:18:19 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:18:19 +0100
Subject: Radio Buttons
In-Reply-To: <4DEBFF6B-F31B-43EB-9853-06C83BAB3658@twft.com>
References: <13DDCE84-6DFC-4A10-A0AA-32EE59C65050@swissonline.ch>
	<4DEBFF6B-F31B-43EB-9853-06C83BAB3658@twft.com>
Message-ID: <A4DCAF62-31D0-42D8-9404-91EB793E53E1@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Bob,

> You can use break in an if end if structure??

sure you can!

But I won't make sense and will probably throw an error :-D

> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 18, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Martin Meili wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> I don't know whether I've understood your problem correctly or not. But, just in case, I usually do these things the following way:
>> 
>> on mouseup
>>    if the hilite of me <> true then
>>    set the hilite of me to true
>> break
>>  end if
>>  if the hilite of me = true then
>>      set the hilite of me to false
>>  end if
>> end mouseup
>> 
>> Make sure that the autohilite property of your button is set to false.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Martin

Best

Klaus

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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 18 12:28:42 2011
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:28:42 -0800
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <F01C6DA7-D9E8-43B8-A702-BF83D38199E4@yahoo.com>

Plan A for me is to be there and spend a week in the area, a couple  
days before and after.
Also, I think I will be staying at the conference hotel.


On Jan 17, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Just checking to see - who all is going this year? Just noticing  
> that its
> happening in April 2011, and we are shortly running out of January  
> 2011.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan 18 12:23:07 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:23:07 -0200
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <4D35CA9E.9040506@pdslabs.net>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
	<4D35CA9E.9040506@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=77jzn6aKh=BwwgDpxmSvGNdu_cjZ-Bh=QH0Gs@mail.gmail.com>

I will go!

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> I plan to be there.
> Phil Davis
>
>
>
> On 1/17/11 3:33 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Just checking to see - who all is going this year? Just noticing that its
>> happening in April 2011, and we are shortly running out of January 2011.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Lynn Fredricks
>> President
>> Paradigma Software
>> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>>
>> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>
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>
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From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Tue Jan 18 12:33:22 2011
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:33:22 +0000
Subject: Contextual menu trouble
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=qxK3xAFu30dNxHPmfuTiAZxKo=DJEJcawZu_6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5E79A44810012441A53A465B3EE74C5F5B5A82@server-2.koetsveld.nl>,
	<BBCC398A-8C27-4CF7-838C-3475A918EF02@gmail.com>,
	<BAY152-w26FD5C5C327EAA1146E281EDF70@phx.gbl>,
	<AANLkTi=qxK3xAFu30dNxHPmfuTiAZxKo=DJEJcawZu_6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-w485493FDD41E4D6D874E13EDF70@phx.gbl>




> @John: with the Locktext set to true?
> This way I cannot paste into the field.

In the script of the field...

on mouseDown
   popUp button 1
end mouseDown

popUp button script

on menuPick pItemName
   
   /* find out which field has been clicked on */
   put word 2 of the clickField into theFieldNo
   
   switch pItemName
      case "Paste"
         /* check that the clipBoard is holding text */
         if the clipboard is "text" then 
            /* put the text after whatever is already in the field */
            put the clipboarddata after fld theFieldNo
         else
            /* if there was no text in the clipBoardData then beep */
            beep
         end if
         break 
         
      case "Clear"
         put empty into fld theFieldNo
         break
         
   end switch
end menuPick

Does this help ?

 		 	   		  

From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Jan 18 12:37:33 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 09:37:33 -0800
Subject: Radio Buttons
In-Reply-To: <13DDCE84-6DFC-4A10-A0AA-32EE59C65050@swissonline.ch>
References: <13DDCE84-6DFC-4A10-A0AA-32EE59C65050@swissonline.ch>
Message-ID: <A0230B43-3433-4CC8-8A04-529F1003AF75@mollysrevenge.com>

Thanks to all how replied to my question about radio buttons.  Initially I was thinking that radio buttons should behave like checkboxes without having to write a handler but, as various people have pointed out, that's not the "official" way that radio buttons are supposed to be used.  It turns out that I could use 2 radio buttons in a group to implement what I was trying to do and that works fine.
Thanks,

Pete Haworth

On Jan 18, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Martin Meili wrote:

> Hi
> I don't know whether I've understood your problem correctly or not. But, just in case, I usually do these things the following way:
> 
> on mouseup
>     if the hilite of me <> true then
>     set the hilite of me to true
> break
>   end if
>   if the hilite of me = true then
>       set the hilite of me to false
>   end if
> end mouseup
> 
> Make sure that the autohilite property of your button is set to false.
> 
> Cheers
> Martin
> 
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From irog at mac.com  Tue Jan 18 12:46:52 2011
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:46:52 -0700
Subject: Again with RevOnline Problems
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7698.1295297268.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7698.1295297268.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0E2D10E2-E772-424E-BF87-BCEFC26602C4@mac.com>

I know there has been a lot of discussion about the unreliablity of uploading to RevOnline, but does anyone know if there is a size limit?

Thanks and cheers,
Roger Guay



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Jan 18 12:53:54 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:53:54 -0600
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=77jzn6aKh=BwwgDpxmSvGNdu_cjZ-Bh=QH0Gs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
	<4D35CA9E.9040506@pdslabs.net>
	<AANLkTi=77jzn6aKh=BwwgDpxmSvGNdu_cjZ-Bh=QH0Gs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinXQxzr1Xxp1zUYPD7jXd_CWzaD4B3ps3peX6ye@mail.gmail.com>

How about Ruslan or Lynn? Are either of you guys going?

 I am going and I'd like to see a shootout between MySQL and Valentina!

Off or on campus!

On 18 January 2011 11:23, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> I will go!
>


Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From sataylor at nbnet.nb.ca  Tue Jan 18 13:07:26 2011
From: sataylor at nbnet.nb.ca (lowland)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:07:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Progress bar
In-Reply-To: <1295369219821-3223451.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1295293490031-3221250.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1295357171694-3221324.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1295368409695-3223414.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1295369219821-3223451.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1295374046389-3223646.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Andy, This works but when I add  "if the hilite of btn "Check2" is true
then..." on the next card, the progress bar dose not move and when I
un-check on any of the cards the bar shows no progress at all.

Steve 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 18 13:18:15 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:18:15 -0600
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=77jzn6aKh=BwwgDpxmSvGNdu_cjZ-Bh=QH0Gs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>	<4D35CA9E.9040506@pdslabs.net>
	<AANLkTi=77jzn6aKh=BwwgDpxmSvGNdu_cjZ-Bh=QH0Gs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D35D967.4030401@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/18/11 11:23 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> I will go!

In that case, me too. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 13:28:12 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:28:12 +0100
Subject: Contextual menu trouble
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-w485493FDD41E4D6D874E13EDF70@phx.gbl>
References: <5E79A44810012441A53A465B3EE74C5F5B5A82@server-2.koetsveld.nl>
	<BBCC398A-8C27-4CF7-838C-3475A918EF02@gmail.com>
	<BAY152-w26FD5C5C327EAA1146E281EDF70@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTi=qxK3xAFu30dNxHPmfuTiAZxKo=DJEJcawZu_6@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY152-w485493FDD41E4D6D874E13EDF70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=m-VxMrzqnvHeKwTT3xjZ2sxdkDoXspmLcV-qR@mail.gmail.com>

@John: Thanks for your code and stack.
And indeed this works. However when I put everything in a new stack it
works but in an existing stack with more fields and button it doesn't
:-(
Got me puzzled! Thanks again!

Greetings,

William



2011/1/18 John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk>:
>
>
>
>> @John: with the Locktext set to true?
>> This way I cannot paste into the field.
>
> In the script of the field...
>
> on mouseDown
> ? popUp button 1
> end mouseDown
>
> popUp button script
>
> on menuPick pItemName
>
> ? /* find out which field has been clicked on */
> ? put word 2 of the clickField into theFieldNo
>
> ? switch pItemName
> ? ? ?case "Paste"
> ? ? ? ? /* check that the clipBoard is holding text */
> ? ? ? ? if the clipboard is "text" then
> ? ? ? ? ? ?/* put the text after whatever is already in the field */
> ? ? ? ? ? ?put the clipboarddata after fld theFieldNo
> ? ? ? ? else
> ? ? ? ? ? ?/* if there was no text in the clipBoardData then beep */
> ? ? ? ? ? ?beep
> ? ? ? ? end if
> ? ? ? ? break
>
> ? ? ?case "Clear"
> ? ? ? ? put empty into fld theFieldNo
> ? ? ? ? break
>
> ? end switch
> end menuPick
>
> Does this help ?
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 18 13:31:55 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:31:55 -0600
Subject: Cursor lock
Message-ID: <4D35DC9B.6010201@hyperactivesw.com>

Is anyone else having trouble with the cursor not updating, or sometimes 
locking, in version 4.5.3? I'm noticing it particularly in the script 
editor, where the cursor doesn't change when you mouse over different 
panes or outside the window.

I'm also noticing that sometimes clicking on a window doesn't activate 
it. The message box doesn't update to show the stack name and the window 
titlebar remains disabled.

Just trying to figure out if it's me with a stray "lock messages" 
command somewhere, or if I can blame it on someone else.

OS X Snow Leopard.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 18 13:38:54 2011
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:38:54 -0600
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <4D35D967.4030401@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>	<4D35CA9E.9040506@pdslabs.net>
	<AANLkTi=77jzn6aKh=BwwgDpxmSvGNdu_cjZ-Bh=QH0Gs@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D35D967.4030401@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C5D8E082-5434-4637-879B-817ED9596F54@earthlink.net>

No money for me to attend :-(

On Jan 18, 2011, at 12:18 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/18/11 11:23 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>> I will go!
> 
> In that case, me too. :)
> 
> -- 
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Tue Jan 18 13:43:11 2011
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:43:11 -0800
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <137125811031.20110117194345@ahsoftware.net>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
	<137125811031.20110117194345@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <B1177195-00CB-47FD-A74B-79375C6C64E5@mac.com>

I'll be at Macworld.

Anyone want to get together?

Bill Vlahos
_________________
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On Jan 17, 2011, at 7:43 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Lynn-
> 
> Monday, January 17, 2011, 3:33:13 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> Just checking to see - who all is going this year? Just noticing that its
>> happening in April 2011, and we are shortly running out of January 2011.
> 
> I'm going. That'll probably keep some folks away, but I thought it
> fair to give you warning.
> 
> And I'm still distressed that there's no mention of the conference on
> the website. And hasn't been for some time. I'm assuming the
> conference is still on, but you know what they say about assuming.
> 
> Meanwhile, MacWorld Expo is next week. Does anybody care anymore?
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Tue Jan 18 13:46:17 2011
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:46:17 +0100
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <C5D8E082-5434-4637-879B-817ED9596F54@earthlink.net>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>	<4D35CA9E.9040506@pdslabs.net>
	<AANLkTi=77jzn6aKh=BwwgDpxmSvGNdu_cjZ-Bh=QH0Gs@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D35D967.4030401@hyperactivesw.com>
	<C5D8E082-5434-4637-879B-817ED9596F54@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <D23CA152-096C-47E3-B4F6-F9E352F9865E@numericable.com>

I am not poor but my English is very poor, too poor !!!
;-)
Rene(?)

Le 18 janv. 2011 ? 19:38, Marian Petrides a ?crit :

> No money for me to attend :-(
> 
> On Jan 18, 2011, at 12:18 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> On 1/18/11 11:23 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>> I will go!
>> 
>> In that case, me too. :)
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Tue Jan 18 13:46:01 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:46:01 +0000
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=77jzn6aKh=BwwgDpxmSvGNdu_cjZ-Bh=QH0Gs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
	<4D35CA9E.9040506@pdslabs.net>
	<AANLkTi=77jzn6aKh=BwwgDpxmSvGNdu_cjZ-Bh=QH0Gs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikLLNjHM5gAfJvXGS=OuJvt8NsA20L2vkk6Zm5G@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be there!

On 18 January 2011 17:23, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> I will go!
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:
>
> > I plan to be there.
> > Phil Davis
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/17/11 3:33 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> >
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> Just checking to see - who all is going this year? Just noticing that
> its
> >> happening in April 2011, and we are shortly running out of January 2011.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Lynn Fredricks
> >> President
> >> Paradigma Software
> >> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> >>
> >> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
> >>
> >>
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> >> subscription preferences:
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> >>
> >>
> > --
> > Phil Davis
> >
> > PDS Labs
> > Professional Software Development
> > http://pdslabs.net
> >
> >
> >
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From kevin at runrev.com  Tue Jan 18 13:50:24 2011
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:50:24 +0000
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <2DB823BB-72D6-472F-A4E3-1332009851E1@califex.com>
Message-ID: <C95B9170.1B998%kevin@runrev.com>

I'll be there! :)

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 13:52:07 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:52:07 +0200
Subject: Cursor lock
In-Reply-To: <4D35DC9B.6010201@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4D35DC9B.6010201@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4D35E157.4040204@gmail.com>

On 01/18/2011 08:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Is anyone else having trouble with the cursor not updating, or 
> sometimes locking, in version 4.5.3? I'm noticing it particularly in 
> the script editor, where the cursor doesn't change when you mouse over 
> different panes or outside the window.
>
> I'm also noticing that sometimes clicking on a window doesn't activate 
> it. The message box doesn't update to show the stack name and the 
> window titlebar remains disabled.
>
> Just trying to figure out if it's me with a stray "lock messages" 
> command somewhere, or if I can blame it on someone else.
>
> OS X Snow Leopard.
>

Down in the undergrowth [i.e. RR 4.0 on a PPC macMini running Tiger] the 
cursor suddenly
turns into what I like to call "the Clariswork clock", or, more 
accurately " the Mac OS 7 clock"
and gets stuck like that.

So, this is probably "old cheese".


From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 18 14:04:56 2011
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:04:56 -0600
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <C95B9170.1B998%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C95B9170.1B998%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1B763A89-BBAC-486A-8D04-4AE9E252F1FB@earthlink.net>

You had BETTER be, young man! :-)))

--The Old F*rt 

On Jan 18, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> I'll be there! :)
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> LiveCode - Realize fast, compile-free coding
> 
> 
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Jan 18 15:13:31 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:13:31 EST
Subject: Radio Buttons / Break
Message-ID: <1206b.32d6b8e9.3a674e6b@aol.com>

I am sure Colin could write a much longer handler that does what this one 
does.

on mouseup
    if the hilite of me <> true then
       set the hilite of me to true
       break
    end if
    if the hilite of me = true then
       set the hilite of me to false
    end if
end mouseup

Break works OK. It just passes control to the end of the handler. The docs 
say is acts like "exit", and it does.
The way the script is written requires it, because there are two distinct 
if/then structures, and the second would be invoked regardless of whether or 
not the first was. 

Craig Newman

> You can use break in an if end if structure??

sure you can!

But I won't make sense and will probably throw an error :-D


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Jan 18 15:27:27 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:27:27 +0100
Subject: Radio Buttons / Break
In-Reply-To: <1206b.32d6b8e9.3a674e6b@aol.com>
References: <1206b.32d6b8e9.3a674e6b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B56358E2-9B41-4B7D-AEE0-716F36A4600E@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Dunbar,

Am 18.01.2011 um 21:13 schrieb DunbarX at aol.com:

> I am sure Colin could write a much longer handler that does what this one 
> does.
> 
> on mouseup
>    if the hilite of me <> true then
>       set the hilite of me to true
>       break
>    end if
>    if the hilite of me = true then
>       set the hilite of me to false
>    end if
> end mouseup
> 
> Break works OK. It just passes control to the end of the handler. The docs 
> say is acts like "exit", and it does.

Could not find this in the docs!

> The way the script is written requires it, because there are two distinct 
> if/then structures, and the second would be invoked regardless of whether or 
> not the first was. 
> 
> Craig Newman
> 
>> You can use break in an if end if structure??
> 
> sure you can!
> But I won't make sense and will probably throw an error :-D

Would have bet! :-)


Best 

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From davidocoker at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 15:40:58 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:40:58 -0600
Subject: Radio Buttons
In-Reply-To: <A0230B43-3433-4CC8-8A04-529F1003AF75@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <13DDCE84-6DFC-4A10-A0AA-32EE59C65050@swissonline.ch>
	<A0230B43-3433-4CC8-8A04-529F1003AF75@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimLpLfDdjRQhMSaGtEX7Kx0OR9c4PBw1xjb8iEH@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:
> Thanks to all how replied to my question about radio buttons. ?Initially I was thinking that radio buttons should behave like checkboxes without having to write a handler but, as various people have pointed out, that's not the "official" way that radio buttons are supposed to be used. ?It turns out that I could use 2 radio buttons in a group to implement what I was trying to do and that works fine.
> Thanks,
>
> Pete Haworth

Awww, shoot..... now you went and took all the fun out of it.
As non-standard as it really is, working around issues like that,
seems to borders in the same realm as purposely using weird,
non-standard colors and even perhaps not always coloring within the
lines.

Sometimes you do it just because ya can. =)

Best regards,
David C.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 18 15:47:48 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:47:48 -0600
Subject: Cursor lock
In-Reply-To: <4D35E157.4040204@gmail.com>
References: <4D35DC9B.6010201@hyperactivesw.com> <4D35E157.4040204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D35FC74.5050608@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/18/11 12:52 PM, Richmond wrote:
> On 01/18/2011 08:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> Is anyone else having trouble with the cursor not updating, or
>> sometimes locking, in version 4.5.3? I'm noticing it particularly in
>> the script editor, where the cursor doesn't change when you mouse over
>> different panes or outside the window.
>>
>> I'm also noticing that sometimes clicking on a window doesn't activate
>> it. The message box doesn't update to show the stack name and the
>> window titlebar remains disabled.
>>
>> Just trying to figure out if it's me with a stray "lock messages"
>> command somewhere, or if I can blame it on someone else.
>>
>> OS X Snow Leopard.
>>
>
> Down in the undergrowth [i.e. RR 4.0 on a PPC macMini running Tiger] the
> cursor suddenly
> turns into what I like to call "the Clariswork clock", or, more
> accurately " the Mac OS 7 clock"
> and gets stuck like that.

If you mean the rainbow beachball, that's a different thing. Judging 
from the lack of response, it must be something in my setup. All I can 
think of is a stray "lock messages" command, but those are supposed to 
reset at the end of pending handlers and that isn't happening. But if 
the problem were widespread I guess there'd be all kinds of reports 
about it. It's incredibly irritating.

And here I was hoping it wasn't my fault.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 18 15:48:38 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:48:38 -0600
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <C95B9170.1B998%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C95B9170.1B998%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D35FCA6.1020404@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/18/11 12:50 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:
> I'll be there! :)

<spits coffee out nose> You owe me a keyboard.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Jan 18 15:56:38 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete (Molly's Revenge))
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:56:38 -0800
Subject: Radio Buttons
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimLpLfDdjRQhMSaGtEX7Kx0OR9c4PBw1xjb8iEH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13DDCE84-6DFC-4A10-A0AA-32EE59C65050@swissonline.ch>
	<A0230B43-3433-4CC8-8A04-529F1003AF75@mollysrevenge.com>
	<AANLkTimLpLfDdjRQhMSaGtEX7Kx0OR9c4PBw1xjb8iEH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=N4m-nO9NojHOKVkFbN6+kUcztpS-x9msUBr-n@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't given up on it for the future!
Pete

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:40 PM, David C. <davidocoker at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com>
> wrote:
> > Thanks to all how replied to my question about radio buttons.  Initially
> I was thinking that radio buttons should behave like checkboxes without
> having to write a handler but, as various people have pointed out, that's
> not the "official" way that radio buttons are supposed to be used.  It turns
> out that I could use 2 radio buttons in a group to implement what I was
> trying to do and that works fine.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Pete Haworth
>
> Awww, shoot..... now you went and took all the fun out of it.
> As non-standard as it really is, working around issues like that,
> seems to borders in the same realm as purposely using weird,
> non-standard colors and even perhaps not always coloring within the
> lines.
>
> Sometimes you do it just because ya can. =)
>
> Best regards,
> David C.
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 16:17:40 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:17:40 +0200
Subject: Cursor lock
In-Reply-To: <4D35FC74.5050608@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4D35DC9B.6010201@hyperactivesw.com> <4D35E157.4040204@gmail.com>
	<4D35FC74.5050608@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4D360374.4080703@gmail.com>

On 01/18/2011 10:47 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 1/18/11 12:52 PM, Richmond wrote:
>> On 01/18/2011 08:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>> Is anyone else having trouble with the cursor not updating, or
>>> sometimes locking, in version 4.5.3? I'm noticing it particularly in
>>> the script editor, where the cursor doesn't change when you mouse over
>>> different panes or outside the window.
>>>
>>> I'm also noticing that sometimes clicking on a window doesn't activate
>>> it. The message box doesn't update to show the stack name and the
>>> window titlebar remains disabled.
>>>
>>> Just trying to figure out if it's me with a stray "lock messages"
>>> command somewhere, or if I can blame it on someone else.
>>>
>>> OS X Snow Leopard.
>>>
>>
>> Down in the undergrowth [i.e. RR 4.0 on a PPC macMini running Tiger] the
>> cursor suddenly
>> turns into what I like to call "the Clariswork clock", or, more
>> accurately " the Mac OS 7 clock"
>> and gets stuck like that.
>
> If you mean the rainbow beachball, that's a different thing. Judging 
> from the lack of response, it must be something in my setup. All I can 
> think of is a stray "lock messages" command, but those are supposed to 
> reset at the end of pending handlers and that isn't happening. But if 
> the problem were widespread I guess there'd be all kinds of reports 
> about it. It's incredibly irritating.

NO! I don't mean the rainbow beachball; I mean a black-and-white clock 
(which is one of the Livecode
cursors, come to think of it).

>
> And here I was hoping it wasn't my fault.
>



From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Jan 18 16:23:38 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:23:38 EST
Subject: Radio Buttons / Break
Message-ID: <17dba.1cfec772.3a675eda@aol.com>


In a message dated 1/18/11 3:30:03 PM, klaus at major.on-rev.com writes:


> > Break works OK. It just passes control to the end of the handler. The 
> docs
> > say is acts like "exit", and it does.
> 
> Could not find this in the docs!
> 

Per the dictionary:

The break command should not be used outside a switch structure: such use 
is nonstandard, so it may not be apparent to whoever reads the code that the 
use is intentional. If it appears outside a switch structure, it has the 
same effect as the exit control structure.


From ray at linkit.com  Tue Jan 18 16:28:07 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:28:07 -0500
Subject: PDF to JPEG
Message-ID: <012301cbb756$993726b0$cba57410$@LinkIt.Com>

Anybody know of a way to convert a single PDF file (with multiple pages) to
multiple JPEG files?

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software 




From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Jan 18 16:46:07 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:46:07 +0100
Subject: Radio Buttons / Break
In-Reply-To: <17dba.1cfec772.3a675eda@aol.com>
References: <17dba.1cfec772.3a675eda@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BEADBEAF-45D7-458A-B90B-633E8441D8F7@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Dunbar,

> In a message dated 1/18/11 3:30:03 PM, klaus at major.on-rev.com writes:
>>> Break works OK. It just passes control to the end of the handler. The 
>>> docs say is acts like "exit", and it does.
>> Could not find this in the docs!
> 
> Per the dictionary:
> The break command should not be used outside a switch structure: such use 
> is nonstandard,

Ah, I stopped reading right here :-)

> so it may not be apparent to whoever reads the code that the 
> use is intentional. If it appears outside a switch structure, it has the 
> same effect as the exit control structure.

Oh surprise, surprise!
But since this is officially not official, I would never use it ;-)

And since the engine might not be so forgiving in future releases
you should not get used to it anyway!


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Jan 18 16:52:46 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:52:46 -0800
Subject: Cursor lock
In-Reply-To: <4D35DC9B.6010201@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C95B4BAE.5049E%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:

> Is anyone else having trouble with the cursor not updating, or sometimes
> locking, in version 4.5.3? I'm noticing it particularly in the script
> editor, where the cursor doesn't change when you mouse over different
> panes or outside the window.

This continues to happen with me, not just with 4.5.3, but for years.  And
it's not sometimes locking, it's *always* locking (it happened again just 5
minutes ago).  I know something is locking the cursor because if I run
"unlock cursor" in the message box, the cursor becomes normal again.

FWIW, I usually find the script editor is the culprit, but I can't nail down
a recipe for it.

Now that you say you're affected by this problem, I wonder if some of your
stocks are stuck in my machine.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 18 16:57:47 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:57:47 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
Message-ID: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>

Hey I had a great idea on how to implement multithreading without jacking up anyone's legacy code. Have LiveCode work along a single thread as usual, but add the keywords "in new thread" to the do command or open stack command. That way someone could invoke a new threaded process, or launch a stack in a new thread etc if they wanted, but not hose anything someone had already written. You could launch a progress bar that you could monitor the state of an operation and provide real feedback for instance, without having to poke your head out of a running command from time to time. 

Any thoughts?

Bob





From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 18 16:59:40 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:59:40 -0800
Subject: Cursor lock
In-Reply-To: <C95B4BAE.5049E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C95B4BAE.5049E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <D7F6CD1F-0540-4B87-B26C-71AD30581DC8@twft.com>

I wonder if we should start calling her "Hacque"? o,O

Bob


On Jan 18, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> Is anyone else having trouble with the cursor not updating, or sometimes
>> locking, in version 4.5.3? I'm noticing it particularly in the script
>> editor, where the cursor doesn't change when you mouse over different
>> panes or outside the window.
> 
> This continues to happen with me, not just with 4.5.3, but for years.  And
> it's not sometimes locking, it's *always* locking (it happened again just 5
> minutes ago).  I know something is locking the cursor because if I run
> "unlock cursor" in the message box, the cursor becomes normal again.
> 
> FWIW, I usually find the script editor is the culprit, but I can't nail down
> a recipe for it.
> 
> Now that you say you're affected by this problem, I wonder if some of your
> stocks are stuck in my machine.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
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From bvg at mac.com  Tue Jan 18 17:15:14 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:15:14 +0100
Subject: Cursor lock
In-Reply-To: <4D35FC74.5050608@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4D35DC9B.6010201@hyperactivesw.com> <4D35E157.4040204@gmail.com>
	<4D35FC74.5050608@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <470551D0-B875-40A9-BB67-17182A49E265@mac.com>

I had this several times. the script editor also often gets stuck on resize mode, despite the mouse being clicked on the field or another object that is not the resize triangle.

just now the script editors backgroundcolor was set to white when i opened it, and the mosue was stuck at the pane-resizing icon (two paralell lines with arrows pointing left and right). had to change tool for the cursor, reopen editor for the background color.

On 18 Jan 2011, at 21:47, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/18/11 12:52 PM, Richmond wrote:
>> On 01/18/2011 08:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>> Is anyone else having trouble with the cursor not updating, or
>>> sometimes locking, in version 4.5.3? I'm noticing it particularly in
>>> the script editor, where the cursor doesn't change when you mouse over
>>> different panes or outside the window.
>>> 
>>> I'm also noticing that sometimes clicking on a window doesn't activate
>>> it. The message box doesn't update to show the stack name and the
>>> window titlebar remains disabled.
>>> 
>>> Just trying to figure out if it's me with a stray "lock messages"
>>> command somewhere, or if I can blame it on someone else.
>>> 
>>> OS X Snow Leopard.
>>> 
>> 
>> Down in the undergrowth [i.e. RR 4.0 on a PPC macMini running Tiger] the
>> cursor suddenly
>> turns into what I like to call "the Clariswork clock", or, more
>> accurately " the Mac OS 7 clock"
>> and gets stuck like that.
> 
> If you mean the rainbow beachball, that's a different thing. Judging from the lack of response, it must be something in my setup. All I can think of is a stray "lock messages" command, but those are supposed to reset at the end of pending handlers and that isn't happening. But if the problem were widespread I guess there'd be all kinds of reports about it. It's incredibly irritating.
> 
> And here I was hoping it wasn't my fault.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 18 17:17:45 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:17:45 -0600
Subject: Cursor lock
In-Reply-To: <C95B4BAE.5049E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C95B4BAE.5049E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4D361189.7080404@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/18/11 3:52 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> Is anyone else having trouble with the cursor not updating, or sometimes
>> locking, in version 4.5.3? I'm noticing it particularly in the script
>> editor, where the cursor doesn't change when you mouse over different
>> panes or outside the window.
>
> This continues to happen with me, not just with 4.5.3, but for years.  And
> it's not sometimes locking, it's *always* locking (it happened again just 5
> minutes ago).  I know something is locking the cursor because if I run
> "unlock cursor" in the message box, the cursor becomes normal again.

Yeah, I've had that too but not as persistent as it is now. I'm also 
used to the thing where you sometimes have to move the cursor outside 
the script window to get it to reset. But now it's a little different 
than that. It still does its share of locking, but sometimes unlocking 
doesn't fix it -- it's like the cursor isn't locked but it isn't getting 
update info.

The biggest difference is how I can't get a window to focus. Sometimes 
if I click on a different window and then back again, it will. Sometimes 
it won't. Sometimes if I click in the titlebar instead of the window 
content, it will focus. Sometimes it won't. That's new behavior.

> FWIW, I usually find the script editor is the culprit, but I can't nail down
> a recipe for it.

Certainly more common there. Since I have it open almost all the time, 
it's hard to say. The window focus problem may not be the script editor 
though. I need to pay more attention.

>
> Now that you say you're affected by this problem, I wonder if some of your
> stocks are stuck in my machine.

I did wash some socks that contained a tiny camera, but I wasn't aiming 
for your house. Sorry about that. Once they leave the dryer I have no 
more control.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 18 17:20:11 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:20:11 -0600
Subject: Cursor lock
In-Reply-To: <4D360374.4080703@gmail.com>
References: <4D35DC9B.6010201@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4D35E157.4040204@gmail.com>	<4D35FC74.5050608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4D360374.4080703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D36121B.8070702@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/18/11 3:17 PM, Richmond wrote:

> NO! I don't mean the rainbow beachball; I mean a black-and-white clock
> (which is one of the Livecodecursors, come to think of it).

Oh, okay. That's the "watch" cursor, of HC legacy fame.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 18 17:23:11 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:23:11 -0800
Subject: Cursor lock
In-Reply-To: <470551D0-B875-40A9-BB67-17182A49E265@mac.com>
References: <4D35DC9B.6010201@hyperactivesw.com> <4D35E157.4040204@gmail.com>
	<4D35FC74.5050608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<470551D0-B875-40A9-BB67-17182A49E265@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CB959EA2-A272-480C-A65F-F99D67A807B1@twft.com>

Let's start looking for common things. Anyone using an alternate debugger? An alternate script editor? How about everyone having this problem remove all add-ons and start up LiveCode again and see if it persists. Sorry, I'm a troubleshooter. 

Bob


On Jan 18, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> I had this several times. the script editor also often gets stuck on resize mode, despite the mouse being clicked on the field or another object that is not the resize triangle.
> 
> just now the script editors backgroundcolor was set to white when i opened it, and the mosue was stuck at the pane-resizing icon (two paralell lines with arrows pointing left and right). had to change tool for the cursor, reopen editor for the background color.
> 
> On 18 Jan 2011, at 21:47, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> On 1/18/11 12:52 PM, Richmond wrote:
>>> On 01/18/2011 08:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>>> Is anyone else having trouble with the cursor not updating, or
>>>> sometimes locking, in version 4.5.3? I'm noticing it particularly in
>>>> the script editor, where the cursor doesn't change when you mouse over
>>>> different panes or outside the window.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm also noticing that sometimes clicking on a window doesn't activate
>>>> it. The message box doesn't update to show the stack name and the
>>>> window titlebar remains disabled.
>>>> 
>>>> Just trying to figure out if it's me with a stray "lock messages"
>>>> command somewhere, or if I can blame it on someone else.
>>>> 
>>>> OS X Snow Leopard.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Down in the undergrowth [i.e. RR 4.0 on a PPC macMini running Tiger] the
>>> cursor suddenly
>>> turns into what I like to call "the Clariswork clock", or, more
>>> accurately " the Mac OS 7 clock"
>>> and gets stuck like that.
>> 
>> If you mean the rainbow beachball, that's a different thing. Judging from the lack of response, it must be something in my setup. All I can think of is a stray "lock messages" command, but those are supposed to reset at the end of pending handlers and that isn't happening. But if the problem were widespread I guess there'd be all kinds of reports about it. It's incredibly irritating.
>> 
>> And here I was hoping it wasn't my fault.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
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From bvg at mac.com  Tue Jan 18 17:31:16 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:31:16 +0100
Subject: Cursor lock
In-Reply-To: <CB959EA2-A272-480C-A65F-F99D67A807B1@twft.com>
References: <4D35DC9B.6010201@hyperactivesw.com> <4D35E157.4040204@gmail.com>
	<4D35FC74.5050608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<470551D0-B875-40A9-BB67-17182A49E265@mac.com>
	<CB959EA2-A272-480C-A65F-F99D67A807B1@twft.com>
Message-ID: <FB8E91AC-312C-413F-A1FF-DADDC49164A9@mac.com>

The common thing is most likely mac os x and LC. I for example do not use invasive additions at all.

The script editor resizes itself randomly between closing and opening, due to the engine menu bug. The menu bug has been around since Rev 1.1 and even earlier.

Unfortunately, there's lots of focus changes on Mac OS X that LC can't handle, mostly expos? or spaces stuff. Meanwhile, the script editor assumes it always knows it's own focus state, which is most likely producing all these weird behaviours. This has been the case since it first was introduced. Unfortunately, the developer of the script editor normally works on Windows, and the engine will in the mid-term not be adjusted to catch all focus-ins and -outs properly.

On 18 Jan 2011, at 23:23, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Let's start looking for common things. Anyone using an alternate debugger? An alternate script editor? How about everyone having this problem remove all add-ons and start up LiveCode again and see if it persists. Sorry, I'm a troubleshooter. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 18, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> 
>> I had this several times. the script editor also often gets stuck on resize mode, despite the mouse being clicked on the field or another object that is not the resize triangle.
>> 
>> just now the script editors backgroundcolor was set to white when i opened it, and the mosue was stuck at the pane-resizing icon (two paralell lines with arrows pointing left and right). had to change tool for the cursor, reopen editor for the background color.
>> 
>> On 18 Jan 2011, at 21:47, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> 
>>> On 1/18/11 12:52 PM, Richmond wrote:
>>>> On 01/18/2011 08:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>>>> Is anyone else having trouble with the cursor not updating, or
>>>>> sometimes locking, in version 4.5.3? I'm noticing it particularly in
>>>>> the script editor, where the cursor doesn't change when you mouse over
>>>>> different panes or outside the window.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm also noticing that sometimes clicking on a window doesn't activate
>>>>> it. The message box doesn't update to show the stack name and the
>>>>> window titlebar remains disabled.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just trying to figure out if it's me with a stray "lock messages"
>>>>> command somewhere, or if I can blame it on someone else.
>>>>> 
>>>>> OS X Snow Leopard.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Down in the undergrowth [i.e. RR 4.0 on a PPC macMini running Tiger] the
>>>> cursor suddenly
>>>> turns into what I like to call "the Clariswork clock", or, more
>>>> accurately " the Mac OS 7 clock"
>>>> and gets stuck like that.
>>> 
>>> If you mean the rainbow beachball, that's a different thing. Judging from the lack of response, it must be something in my setup. All I can think of is a stray "lock messages" command, but those are supposed to reset at the end of pending handlers and that isn't happening. But if the problem were widespread I guess there'd be all kinds of reports about it. It's incredibly irritating.
>>> 
>>> And here I was hoping it wasn't my fault.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>> 
>> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 18 17:34:47 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:34:47 -0600
Subject: Cursor lock
In-Reply-To: <CB959EA2-A272-480C-A65F-F99D67A807B1@twft.com>
References: <4D35DC9B.6010201@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4D35E157.4040204@gmail.com>	<4D35FC74.5050608@hyperactivesw.com>	<470551D0-B875-40A9-BB67-17182A49E265@mac.com>
	<CB959EA2-A272-480C-A65F-F99D67A807B1@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D361587.8060804@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/18/11 4:23 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Let's start looking for common things. Anyone using an alternate
> debugger? An alternate script editor? How about everyone having this
> problem remove all add-ons and start up LiveCode again and see if it
> persists. Sorry, I'm a troubleshooter.

None of the above. I have a couple custom plugins but they've been 
installed since the dawn of RR, and they don't do anything unless I 
specifically choose them. Which I haven't.

What I'm working on now uses libURL a lot though. That hasn't been a 
problem in the past, and it isn't active while I'm scripting/debugging 
...I don't think. At least it shouldn't be.

I got something similar to Bjornke's problem the other day. The script 
editor stuck in "select" mode, even though the mouse wasn't down, and 
moving it continued to hilite text. I fixed it by clicking on another 
window and then back again. But that does seem to indicate that some 
mouse messages are getting lost.

The problem is, none of this is reproducible on demand.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 18 17:36:38 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:36:38 -0600
Subject: Cursor lock
In-Reply-To: <470551D0-B875-40A9-BB67-17182A49E265@mac.com>
References: <4D35DC9B.6010201@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4D35E157.4040204@gmail.com>	<4D35FC74.5050608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<470551D0-B875-40A9-BB67-17182A49E265@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4D3615F6.3050200@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/18/11 4:15 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> just now the script editors backgroundcolor was set to white when i
> opened it, and the mosue was stuck at the pane-resizing icon (two
> paralell lines with arrows pointing left and right). had to change
> tool for the cursor, reopen editor for the background color.

Yes, I see that one a whole lot. Editing text with the pane-resizer 
cursor is a challenge. :)

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Tue Jan 18 17:38:27 2011
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (Damien Girard)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:38:27 +0100
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
Message-ID: <000601cbb760$6c81cb20$45856160$@girard@laposte.net>


I like the idea and that would be awesome, but the Runrev team will have a
lot of fun to implement this lol

Damien

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[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] De la part de Bob Sneidar
Envoy??: mardi 18 janvier 2011 22:58
??: How to use LiveCode
Objet?: An idea on multithreading implementation


Hey I had a great idea on how to implement multithreading without jacking up
anyone's legacy code. Have LiveCode work along a single thread as usual, but
add the keywords "in new thread" to the do command or open stack command.
That way someone could invoke a new threaded process, or launch a stack in a
new thread etc if they wanted, but not hose anything someone had already
written. You could launch a progress bar that you could monitor the state of
an operation and provide real feedback for instance, without having to poke
your head out of a running command from time to time. 

Any thoughts?

Bob



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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 18 17:41:51 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:41:51 -0600
Subject: Cursor lock
In-Reply-To: <FB8E91AC-312C-413F-A1FF-DADDC49164A9@mac.com>
References: <4D35DC9B.6010201@hyperactivesw.com>
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On 1/18/11 4:31 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> Unfortunately, there's lots of focus changes on Mac OS X that LC
> can't handle, mostly expos? or spaces stuff. Meanwhile, the script
> editor assumes it always knows it's own focus state, which is most
> likely producing all these weird behaviours.

I hadn't thought of that. I've been using Spaces lately, which I usually 
don't do. I wonder if changing desktops is the problem. I'll have to 
experiment. I think you are on to something.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Tue Jan 18 17:55:53 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:55:53 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <774CAC87-F933-4538-8B2D-876D89F3899C@fiberworld.nl>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>
	<4D33DC81.3040805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<589AD6FD-E045-4D27-9950-F244B0794690@mac.com>
	<4D34A32C.3030702@hyperactivesw.com>
	<8B27D88C-B957-48F0-99B2-5303CA6E9EA7@twft.com>
	<4D34A9DC.4060302@hyperactivesw.com>
	<774CAC87-F933-4538-8B2D-876D89F3899C@fiberworld.nl>
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Claudi,

yes and No. There is a driver that gets loaded on Leopard but it is not loaded in snow Leopard. They changed the way the Arduino Uno gets connected.

"Open up the serial monitor (or any other terminal program) and use single-keystroke commands to control stepper motor speed, direction, and power."

This is a snippet from a motor Controller board but the hint here is that the terminal program can access and send serial commands so maybe that is a way around this issue. 

The Snow Leopard way is that the Arduino shows up in Network Pane as a Modem. But it does not show up as one of the serial ports in Sarah's Serial Test project.

I can install the Leopard driver and try that and or try the direct terminal and see about that next.


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 18, 2011, at 5:06 AM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:

> Hi Thomas,
> 
> I just ordered a arduino yesterday and hope to have it tommorow.
> I sure hope this can be solved. (Well I am very positive about that, one way or another, that's why I ordered one anyway)
> 
> I have been looking on the web. I guess you did this already but just in case, here are some links
> http://www.patokeefe.com/archives/316
> http://ricardo-dias.com/node/130
> http://code.google.com/p/xcode-arduino-serial-communication/
> 
> and in the livecode forum there is a thread about the arduino and apparently mmiele got it working :
> 
> by mmiele ? Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:25 am
> 
> I used MacOS Tiger and then Leopard. 
> 
> What you need is: 
> 
> 1 - download and install from the Arduino site (http://www.arduino.cc) the Arduino SDK. 
> 
> 2 - download and install from the Arduino site or the FTDI site (http://www.ftdichip.com) the driver to see the Arduino USB as a serial port. 
> 
> 3 - connect the arduino board to an USB port of your Mac. 
> 
> You will see is a new entry in the list of serial devices. 
> You can get the list reading the "driverNames" property: ex. 
> 
> put the driverNames into field "serialPorts". 
> 
> You can get a useful stack to test serial communication at 
> 
> http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials.php 
> 
> The stack is SerialTest.rev
> mmiele
> 
> Posts: 17
> Joined: Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:25 pm
> Location: Naples, Italy
> 
> 
> this is from: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2419
> 
> I hope you can get it working quickly and otherwise I will join your efford as soon as my arduino arrives.
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
>   Claudi
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Jan 18 17:56:05 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:56:05 EST
Subject: Cursor lock
Message-ID: <1f0fc.6a1ecb9e.3a677485@aol.com>

I have my share of site-specific annoyances. But I have never seen this 
cursor thing. I wasn't sure what everyone was even talking about for a while...

Craig Newman


From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 17:57:36 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:57:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Using Shell to run a DOS program
In-Reply-To: <954A2D40-4CE6-419D-9916-AB6831025094@twft.com>
References: <AANLkTinXBdyv4u48-Y39vopRWmvZgKmHWGhh-rvP=Dyt@mail.gmail.com>
	<75229CD1-A84B-49AA-BC60-E7A1AE0371E6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1295297271924-3221259.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<954A2D40-4CE6-419D-9916-AB6831025094@twft.com>
Message-ID: <1295391456727-3224197.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Bob,

Alejandro wrote:
> Now, my curiosity is awakened with your answer.
> How do you test a Dos program using Mac OS X?

Bob answers:
>>You cannot. Even an emulator would be isolated from the Mac OS X system. 

Previously, I believed that Mac OS X developers have an stable version of
the software named Wine, useful to run Windows applications:
http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX
http://helpdeskgeek.com/linux-tips/run-windows-programs-in-ubuntu-10-04/

Alejandro
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From jim at d-film.com  Tue Jan 18 18:01:28 2011
From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:01:28 -0500
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <4D35FCA6.1020404@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C95B9170.1B998%kevin@runrev.com>
	<4D35FCA6.1020404@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimbS=Ehy4uvm5ks0vO=BhhS6H6XY4JEJab=3AED@mail.gmail.com>

I would love to attend one but this year it falls on my 20th wedding
anniversary and I'd like to get to the 21st!

Jim



From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 18 18:25:32 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:25:32 -0800
Subject: DragDrop and the DragDestination
Message-ID: <DD04DF60-79B8-4A21-A09C-5BEA7AE8CBA5@twft.com>

Well this is odd... 

I am dragging from one datagrid to another. 

In the script of the destination datagrid, I have a DragDrop handler. In that script I put the dragDestination into a variable, then put the variable into the message box. This is what I get: 

graphic id 80637 of group id 80636 of group id 80631 of card id 80619 of stack "/Users/bobsneidar/Documents/LiveCode Stacks/Logos Help Desk.rev"

Why in the WORLD would I be getting a graphic ID?? I should mention that the datagrid is empty, so hmmm is it because there is no actual field that I am dropping onto? That is really weird then, because that would mean I can never drop data onto an empty datagrid and get the row and column I dropped data on to. 

Bob





From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 18 18:26:27 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:26:27 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <000601cbb760$6c81cb20$45856160$@girard@laposte.net>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
	<000601cbb760$6c81cb20$45856160$@girard@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <5DD63337-C3DC-4604-8821-9B977357C481@twft.com>

There is no more RunRev team. It's the LiveCode team now! Maybe they will be more receptive to the idea...   ;-)

Bob


On Jan 18, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Damien Girard wrote:

> 
> I like the idea and that would be awesome, but the Runrev team will have a
> lot of fun to implement this lol
> 
> Damien




From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 18 18:31:11 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:31:11 -0800
Subject: Using Shell to run a DOS program
In-Reply-To: <1295391456727-3224197.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <AANLkTinXBdyv4u48-Y39vopRWmvZgKmHWGhh-rvP=Dyt@mail.gmail.com>
	<75229CD1-A84B-49AA-BC60-E7A1AE0371E6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1295297271924-3221259.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<954A2D40-4CE6-419D-9916-AB6831025094@twft.com>
	<1295391456727-3224197.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2D7D7BD1-9232-4989-99AF-7B6CA9C794A1@twft.com>

Right, but how is OS X going to get access to the VM and send a DOS command? Unless Wine has a way for the Mac OS to communicate with the VM os for just that purpose...

I guess I am taking the words "using Mac OS X" a bit too literally. You could run DOS in a VM, but you would not be using Mac OS X to test the DOS program. You would be using DOS. 

I envisioned you using the terminal to send DOS commands to an emulator. Maybe I think too much. 

Bob


On Jan 18, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> Alejandro wrote:
>> Now, my curiosity is awakened with your answer.
>> How do you test a Dos program using Mac OS X?
> 
> Bob answers:
>>> You cannot. Even an emulator would be isolated from the Mac OS X system. 
> 
> Previously, I believed that Mac OS X developers have an stable version of
> the software named Wine, useful to run Windows applications:
> http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX
> http://helpdeskgeek.com/linux-tips/run-windows-programs-in-ubuntu-10-04/
> 
> Alejandro
> -- 
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Jan 18 18:40:34 2011
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:40:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <137125811031.20110117194345@ahsoftware.net>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
	<137125811031.20110117194345@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101181539300.26851@ecs.fullerton.edu>


On Mon, 17 Jan 2011, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Lynn-
>
> Monday, January 17, 2011, 3:33:13 PM, you wrote:
>
>> Just checking to see - who all is going this year? Just noticing that its
>> happening in April 2011, and we are shortly running out of January 2011.
>
> I'm going. That'll probably keep some folks away, but I thought it
> fair to give you warning.

--haha, you too?  I'm in.

;-)

Judy




From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 18:50:55 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 00:50:55 +0100
Subject: DragDrop and the DragDestination
In-Reply-To: <DD04DF60-79B8-4A21-A09C-5BEA7AE8CBA5@twft.com>
References: <DD04DF60-79B8-4A21-A09C-5BEA7AE8CBA5@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinifRBhc73MH+LWNr+ickgSy60xJM-wuXCqmcby@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:25 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> Well this is odd...
>
> I am dragging from one datagrid to another.
>
> In the script of the destination datagrid, I have a DragDrop handler. In that script I put the dragDestination into a variable, then put the variable into the message box. This is what I get:
>
> graphic id 80637 of group id 80636 of group id 80631 of card id 80619 of stack "/Users/bobsneidar/Documents/LiveCode Stacks/Logos Help Desk.rev"
>
> Why in the WORLD would I be getting a graphic ID?? I should mention that the datagrid is empty, so hmmm is it because there is no actual field that I am dropping onto? That is really weird then, because that would mean I can never drop data onto an empty datagrid and get the row and column I dropped data on to.

Hi Bob,

You're right, a datagrid is built on the fly (especially when is cache
control property is set to false), so when there is no data, there is
no field in the datagrid.

You could add a test like this one for adding data when a datagrid is empty:

if (the dgDataControl of the target is empty) then
   add an empty line
   copy the data
end if

And have a look to the experiment 19, if you missed it:
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=19:experiment-19-drag-drop-in-dg-replacing-a-value-in-a-column&id=7:data-grid&Itemid=63


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From massung at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 18:57:35 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:57:35 -0700
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=XxJ7XrTuYkYD+f27Wz_C8vssd3_Ask0r0-sJW@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> Hey I had a great idea on how to implement multithreading without jacking
> up anyone's legacy code. Have LiveCode work along a single thread as usual,
> but add the keywords "in new thread" to the do command or open stack
> command. That way someone could invoke a new threaded process, or launch a
> stack in a new thread etc if they wanted, but not hose anything someone had
> already written. You could launch a progress bar that you could monitor the
> state of an operation and provide real feedback for instance, without having
> to poke your head out of a running command from time to time.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>

Multi-threading is mutli-threading. The problems exist regardless of the
format/syntax.

At the end of the day it comes down to thread safety manipulating properties
and the most commonly used data control in the toolbox: the field. (This is
coming from someone who does MT programming all the time). Plus, I don't
think the average LC developer wants to even -think- about locks, mutexes,
semaphores, etc. ;-)

I - personally - would be much happier if two things were done:

*** Make LC multi-threaded internally where possible (honestly, it might be
already and at the end of the day I don't care if hamsters are powering the
engine if it runs fast... but due to a few oddities, I think it's fair to
say that it isn't MT in it's current form). Primarily I think debugging
would benefit from being completely separated (thread-wise) from engine
code; there's been several times a stack will just hang and I have to kill
the process. Wanna see it in action? Put a breakpoint in the stackResize
handler.

*** Create a timer control or some method of doing the same thing in code.
It can be sort of simulated right now like so:

send "foo" to me in 5 seconds

on foo
  ... do stuff ...
  send "foo" to me in 5 seconds
end

But this has issues (for example, if I have a bug in "foo" so I fail to send
again, or I hit a breakpoint in "foo" and have to stop execution), and
sometimes I want to be able to pause send messages, etc. Being able to just
create an interval that responds well to various situations would be very
desirable:

send "foo" to me every 5 seconds ## done!

suspend the result ## the message is paused temporarily
resume the result ## the message will continue from where it left off

Those few things would be very useful to me.

Jeff M.


From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jan 18 20:00:04 2011
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 01:00:04 +0000
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=XxJ7XrTuYkYD+f27Wz_C8vssd3_Ask0r0-sJW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=XxJ7XrTuYkYD+f27Wz_C8vssd3_Ask0r0-sJW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D363794.9000209@tweedly.net>


Other than the issue of hitting a breakpoint, can't you simulate this 
very closely already.

on addToTimers pMessage, pObject, pFrequency
     -- store this info
     put pFrequency &TAB& pMessage &TAB& pObject &TAB& pFrequency & CR 
after sTimerList
end addToTimers

on removeFromTimers pObject
      -- remove from stored list
      -- details left as an exercise
end removeFromTimers pObject

on pauseTimers
    put false into gTimersAreActive
end pauseTimers

on repetitivelyFireTimers
     put empty into tNewList
     if gTimersAreActive then
       repeat for each line L in sTimerList
          subtract 1 from item 1 of L
          if item 1 of L = 0 then
             send item 2 of L to item 3 of L
             put item 4 of L into item 1 of L
         end if
         put L & CR after tNewList
      end repeat
      put tNewList into sTimerList
   end if
   send "repetitivelyFireTimers" to me in 1 second
end repetitivelyFireTimers

P.S. of course, there should be error checking, and you could handle 
sub-second (or non-integer second) timers as well - but this general idea

P.P.S I just typed the above script lines in - not tested, not a 
technique I generally use.

-- Alex.
end repetitivelyFireTimers


On 18/01/2011 23:57, Jeff Massung wrote:
>
> I - personally - would be much happier if two things were done:

> *** Create a timer control or some method of doing the same thing in code.
> It can be sort of simulated right now like so:
>
> send "foo" to me in 5 seconds
>
> on foo
>    ... do stuff ...
>    send "foo" to me in 5 seconds
> end
>
> But this has issues (for example, if I have a bug in "foo" so I fail to send
> again, or I hit a breakpoint in "foo" and have to stop execution), and
> sometimes I want to be able to pause send messages, etc. Being able to just
> create an interval that responds well to various situations would be very
> desirable:
>
> send "foo" to me every 5 seconds ## done!
>
> suspend the result ## the message is paused temporarily
> resume the result ## the message will continue from where it left off
>
> Those few things would be very useful to me.
>
> Jeff M.
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From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 18 20:05:16 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:05:16 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=XxJ7XrTuYkYD+f27Wz_C8vssd3_Ask0r0-sJW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=XxJ7XrTuYkYD+f27Wz_C8vssd3_Ask0r0-sJW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61426695-31A4-47A0-B069-E7E908033476@twft.com>

Well my thought was that LC would benefit hugely if 2 or more stacks could be running in their own thread. Take for example an accounting app. Normally you could have the Customer Entry form open, and the Accounts Receivable window open in most well written apps. Sure you could in LC too... so long as one of the windows was not in the process of doing anything, like oh say compiling data for a really large report. 

Under those circumstances, it would not be possible to have LC do this because while that process was going on the other window would be unresponsive. This is one of the things holding LC back from being a true enterprise development environment. 

I dunno, maybe we don't want to go there. But if it were not too much trouble for the dev team to implement some basic form of multithreading on demand, for those who need it, it could be available, and for those who don't, well LC would just run the way it always has. 

Maybe I am using the wrong term here. Often in Windows an application will open multiple instances of an application, and each instance will be it's own process. An explorer window for example is it's own instance of Windows Explorer, and runs on it's own regardless of what the other window is doing. If that is not multithreading, then I am talking about something else. 

Bob


On Jan 18, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Jeff Massung wrote:

> Multi-threading is mutli-threading. The problems exist regardless of the
> format/syntax.
> 
> At the end of the day it comes down to thread safety manipulating properties
> and the most commonly used data control in the toolbox: the field. (This is
> coming from someone who does MT programming all the time). Plus, I don't
> think the average LC developer wants to even -think- about locks, mutexes,
> semaphores, etc. ;-)




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 18 20:09:12 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:09:12 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
Message-ID: <4D3639B8.1030202@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:
 > Well my thought was that LC would benefit hugely if 2 or more stacks
 > could be running in their own thread. Take for example an accounting
 > app. Normally you could have the Customer Entry form open, and the
 > Accounts Receivable window open in most well written apps. Sure you
 > could in LC too... so long as one of the windows was not in the
 > process of doing anything, like oh say compiling data for a really
 > large report.

If RunRev would reenable being able to run an app from the command line, 
conceivably you could run the report processing using a second 
standalone facelessly.

Sure, it's a bit of a kludge, but would be dirt-simple to implement, and 
wouldn't expose the treachery of race conditions to the masses. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
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From kee at kagi.com  Tue Jan 18 20:16:01 2011
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:16:01 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AD1A3A98-E460-40F6-80D0-31F83995DBFC@kagi.com>

My two cents on how Livecode could implement this is to mimic the get URL and URLstatus functionality paired with functions. For example:

This is a simple pseudo-code example of calling a threaded function 7 times and then waiting until all 7 threads are complete:

on domythreads
   global lat,long,countryName
   put myThreadFunction(1,lat[1],long[1]) into countryName[1]
   put myThreadFunction(2,lat[2],long[2]) into countryName[2]
   put myThreadFunction(3,lat[3],long[3]) into countryName[3]
   put myThreadFunction(4,lat[4],long[4]) into countryName[4]
   put myThreadFunction(5,lat[5],long[5]) into countryName[5]
   put myThreadFunction(6,lat[6],long[6]) into countryName[6]
   put myThreadFunction(7,lat[7],long[7]) into countryName[7]

   repeat until threadStatus(1) = "complete" \
      and threadStatus(2) = "complete" \
      and threadStatus(3) = "complete" \
      and threadStatus(4) = "complete" \
      and threadStatus(5) = "complete" \
      and threadStatus(6) = "complete" \
      and threadStatus(7) = "complete" 
     wait 1 second
   end repeat
end domythreads

This is what I envision the generic thread call looks like, similar to a function except it has a unique ID and it cannot use globals or data in the stack. Everything it is going to use has to be passed into it as a parameter. 

thread myThreadFunction requiredThreadIdParameter, optionalThreadParameter1, optionalThreadParameter2, etc.
  set threadStatus = "started" -- allow the thread to communicate while it is working
  do stuff
  call functions in the stack that do not have globals nor use data stored in the stack
  send to commands to objects in the stack that do not have globals nor use data stored in the stack
  no reads or writes from any field or button data stored in the stack 
  set threadStatus = "almost done"
  OK to get or write stuff from/to external things like URLs or serial ports or files
  package up a result
  return allTheResults
  -- after the return the status goes to "complete"
end thread

The way I see it, thread is like a function. You give it a unique ID (requiredThreadIdParameter) and then call it with the parameters you want it to have. What would happen next is Livecode would execute the scripts using the scripts in the stacks that are marked as thread safe using the data provided as parameters. 

The other part to this is the threadStatus function. In the above example the code just looks for the status to be complete but since the thread can set threadStatus, the main program can watch it's progress.

I guess my final thread request would be a way to kill a thread that has gone rogue. For example, perhaps a function like killThread(requiredThreadIdParameter)

As I see it, each function or command (or thread) in a script would get a marker declaring it thread safe or not. A thread could only call thread safe code. If the code had a global in it, not thread safe. if the code looked in a field, not thread safe.

Anyway that's my two cents on multithreading if I ruled the Livecode world. Seems like it would be easy enough to implement in the existing code base but still quite powerful.

I do something similar to this with URLs. A stack running as a HTTP server / cgi gets hit and it doles out a bunch of URL requests to various other servers. All those servers work in parallel and when they are done and the urlStatus for each request is "cached", I grab the results and return a summary to the client.

Kee Nethery
not holding my breath.




From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan 18 20:16:06 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:16:06 -0200
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <4D3639B8.1030202@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D3639B8.1030202@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimHzzB+XQ=U0w5vT1XKRfnDnuYXw3SYZokXiah-@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> > Well my thought was that LC would benefit hugely if 2 or more stacks
> > could be running in their own thread. Take for example an accounting
> > app. Normally you could have the Customer Entry form open, and the
> > Accounts Receivable window open in most well written apps. Sure you
> > could in LC too... so long as one of the windows was not in the
> > process of doing anything, like oh say compiling data for a really
> > large report.
>
> If RunRev would reenable being able to run an app from the command line,
> conceivably you could run the report processing using a second standalone
> facelessly.
>
> Sure, it's a bit of a kludge, but would be dirt-simple to implement, and
> wouldn't expose the treachery of race conditions to the masses. :)
>
>
been there but it is hard to exchange messages between the instances... :-/



> --
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>  Fourth World
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>
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From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 18 20:16:57 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:16:57 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <4D363794.9000209@tweedly.net>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=XxJ7XrTuYkYD+f27Wz_C8vssd3_Ask0r0-sJW@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D363794.9000209@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <471FA376-E801-4964-BBA3-34DD9CD10C62@twft.com>

This "seems" to work because you are envisioning each call to a command or function in time as running separately. This is an illusion. If any of the commands or functions take longer than one second, say 5 seconds, your calling command will not get control back until the other is done. Because things run so fast in LC and people rarely write code that takes really long times to execute, this is normally not a problem. 

Where it shows up is when you are processing a lot of things, and you want to show some kind of progress bar. Well you can't, unless your process involves a loop and you can make calls to update your progress bar inside that loop. 

But say you were accessing a very large database remotely, and each call to the database took several seconds. Then parsing the data took another couple. Then formatting and printing the report took another 10. Even if you used a send in time, nothing else in LC would happen until those calls were done. 

It REALLY starts showing up in games or graphic oriented things. Right now you have to loop through each object, move one, then the next, then the next, but what if you could call the function that moved each object as a separate thread? Each object would truly be moving independently. 

Again maybe I am not talking about multithreading but multiprocessing or some such thing. 

Bob


On Jan 18, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> 
> Other than the issue of hitting a breakpoint, can't you simulate this very closely already.
> 
> on addToTimers pMessage, pObject, pFrequency
>    -- store this info
>    put pFrequency &TAB& pMessage &TAB& pObject &TAB& pFrequency & CR after sTimerList
> end addToTimers
> 
> on removeFromTimers pObject
>     -- remove from stored list
>     -- details left as an exercise
> end removeFromTimers pObject
> 
> on pauseTimers
>   put false into gTimersAreActive
> end pauseTimers
> 
> on repetitivelyFireTimers
>    put empty into tNewList
>    if gTimersAreActive then
>      repeat for each line L in sTimerList
>         subtract 1 from item 1 of L
>         if item 1 of L = 0 then
>            send item 2 of L to item 3 of L
>            put item 4 of L into item 1 of L
>        end if
>        put L & CR after tNewList
>     end repeat
>     put tNewList into sTimerList
>  end if
>  send "repetitivelyFireTimers" to me in 1 second
> end repetitivelyFireTimers
> 
> P.S. of course, there should be error checking, and you could handle sub-second (or non-integer second) timers as well - but this general idea
> 
> P.P.S I just typed the above script lines in - not tested, not a technique I generally use.
> 
> -- Alex.
> end repetitivelyFireTimers
> 
> 
> On 18/01/2011 23:57, Jeff Massung wrote:
>> 
>> I - personally - would be much happier if two things were done:
> 
>> *** Create a timer control or some method of doing the same thing in code.
>> It can be sort of simulated right now like so:
>> 
>> send "foo" to me in 5 seconds
>> 
>> on foo
>>   ... do stuff ...
>>   send "foo" to me in 5 seconds
>> end
>> 
>> But this has issues (for example, if I have a bug in "foo" so I fail to send
>> again, or I hit a breakpoint in "foo" and have to stop execution), and
>> sometimes I want to be able to pause send messages, etc. Being able to just
>> create an interval that responds well to various situations would be very
>> desirable:
>> 
>> send "foo" to me every 5 seconds ## done!
>> 
>> suspend the result ## the message is paused temporarily
>> resume the result ## the message will continue from where it left off
>> 
>> Those few things would be very useful to me.
>> 
>> Jeff M.
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From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 18 20:19:18 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:19:18 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <4D3639B8.1030202@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D3639B8.1030202@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A3CAA86-F65C-40BD-B8CD-A3442754E3B8@twft.com>

Do you mean like when the race track is really muddy but they run the horses anyway?

Actually, you could be on to something, with the caveat that the processes would be isolated from each other. I am thinking that you could still have one stack get information about some field in another stack while that stack was doing some long drawn out task. 

I dunno, maybe it's a non starter. 

Bob


On Jan 18, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Sure, it's a bit of a kludge, but would be dirt-simple to implement, and wouldn't expose the treachery of race conditions to the masses. :)




From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 18 20:20:22 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:20:22 -0800
Subject: DragDrop and the DragDestination
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinifRBhc73MH+LWNr+ickgSy60xJM-wuXCqmcby@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DD04DF60-79B8-4A21-A09C-5BEA7AE8CBA5@twft.com>
	<AANLkTinifRBhc73MH+LWNr+ickgSy60xJM-wuXCqmcby@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A36B82D-76EB-45BF-B4EC-D7539C8A4C63@twft.com>

I get problem loading page. 

Bob


On Jan 18, 2011, at 3:50 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> And have a look to the experiment 19, if you missed it:
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=19:experiment-19-drag-drop-in-dg-replacing-a-value-in-a-column&id=7:data-grid&Itemid=63
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)




From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 18 20:24:53 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:24:53 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AD1A3A98-E460-40F6-80D0-31F83995DBFC@kagi.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
	<AD1A3A98-E460-40F6-80D0-31F83995DBFC@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <C91D651E-41DA-42AE-8219-119A28EC5265@twft.com>

Very un-livecode-ish. 

Bob


On Jan 18, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Kee Nethery wrote:

> My two cents on how Livecode could implement this is to mimic the get URL and URLstatus functionality paired with functions. For example:
> 
> This is a simple pseudo-code example of calling a threaded function 7 times and then waiting until all 7 threads are complete:
> 
> on domythreads
>   global lat,long,countryName
>   put myThreadFunction(1,lat[1],long[1]) into countryName[1]
>   put myThreadFunction(2,lat[2],long[2]) into countryName[2]
>   put myThreadFunction(3,lat[3],long[3]) into countryName[3]
>   put myThreadFunction(4,lat[4],long[4]) into countryName[4]
>   put myThreadFunction(5,lat[5],long[5]) into countryName[5]
>   put myThreadFunction(6,lat[6],long[6]) into countryName[6]
>   put myThreadFunction(7,lat[7],long[7]) into countryName[7]
> 
>   repeat until threadStatus(1) = "complete" \
>      and threadStatus(2) = "complete" \
>      and threadStatus(3) = "complete" \
>      and threadStatus(4) = "complete" \
>      and threadStatus(5) = "complete" \
>      and threadStatus(6) = "complete" \
>      and threadStatus(7) = "complete" 
>     wait 1 second
>   end repeat
> end domythreads
> 
> This is what I envision the generic thread call looks like, similar to a function except it has a unique ID and it cannot use globals or data in the stack. Everything it is going to use has to be passed into it as a parameter. 
> 
> thread myThreadFunction requiredThreadIdParameter, optionalThreadParameter1, optionalThreadParameter2, etc.
>  set threadStatus = "started" -- allow the thread to communicate while it is working
>  do stuff
>  call functions in the stack that do not have globals nor use data stored in the stack
>  send to commands to objects in the stack that do not have globals nor use data stored in the stack
>  no reads or writes from any field or button data stored in the stack 
>  set threadStatus = "almost done"
>  OK to get or write stuff from/to external things like URLs or serial ports or files
>  package up a result
>  return allTheResults
>  -- after the return the status goes to "complete"
> end thread
> 
> The way I see it, thread is like a function. You give it a unique ID (requiredThreadIdParameter) and then call it with the parameters you want it to have. What would happen next is Livecode would execute the scripts using the scripts in the stacks that are marked as thread safe using the data provided as parameters. 
> 
> The other part to this is the threadStatus function. In the above example the code just looks for the status to be complete but since the thread can set threadStatus, the main program can watch it's progress.
> 
> I guess my final thread request would be a way to kill a thread that has gone rogue. For example, perhaps a function like killThread(requiredThreadIdParameter)
> 
> As I see it, each function or command (or thread) in a script would get a marker declaring it thread safe or not. A thread could only call thread safe code. If the code had a global in it, not thread safe. if the code looked in a field, not thread safe.
> 
> Anyway that's my two cents on multithreading if I ruled the Livecode world. Seems like it would be easy enough to implement in the existing code base but still quite powerful.
> 
> I do something similar to this with URLs. A stack running as a HTTP server / cgi gets hit and it doles out a bunch of URL requests to various other servers. All those servers work in parallel and when they are done and the urlStatus for each request is "cached", I grab the results and return a summary to the client.
> 
> Kee Nethery
> not holding my breath.
> 
> 
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Jan 18 20:26:42 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:26:42 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <61426695-31A4-47A0-B069-E7E908033476@twft.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>	<AANLkTi=XxJ7XrTuYkYD+f27Wz_C8vssd3_Ask0r0-sJW@mail.gmail.com>
	<61426695-31A4-47A0-B069-E7E908033476@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D363DD2.709@pdslabs.net>

Hi Bob,

On 1/18/11 5:05 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Maybe I am using the wrong term here. Often in Windows an application will open multiple instances of an application, and each instance will be it's own process. An explorer window for example is it's own instance of Windows Explorer, and runs on it's own regardless of what the other window is doing. If that is not multithreading, then I am talking about something else.

I'm not entirely sure what this is called either, but you can do it on a Mac too 
- just duplicate LiveCode. Then you can run 2 IDEs simultaneously.
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net




From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 18 20:28:27 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:28:27 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimHzzB+XQ=U0w5vT1XKRfnDnuYXw3SYZokXiah-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D3639B8.1030202@fourthworld.com>
	<AANLkTimHzzB+XQ=U0w5vT1XKRfnDnuYXw3SYZokXiah-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2F0EFE04-2DBA-447E-8126-E381A95A5356@twft.com>

Oh I just thought of what really set me thinking about this. Let's say you wanted a command to check every 10 seconds for the state of a folder, and then have your stack ready to do other things meanwhile. You cannot do that. A handler has to be running to make the call to check status. 

I suppose you can have a recursive function that calls itself in time, but can LiveCode be doing other things at the same time? I dunno. 

Bob


On Jan 18, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
>> wrote:
> 
>> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> Well my thought was that LC would benefit hugely if 2 or more stacks
>>> could be running in their own thread. Take for example an accounting
>>> app. Normally you could have the Customer Entry form open, and the
>>> Accounts Receivable window open in most well written apps. Sure you
>>> could in LC too... so long as one of the windows was not in the
>>> process of doing anything, like oh say compiling data for a really
>>> large report.
>> 
>> If RunRev would reenable being able to run an app from the command line,
>> conceivably you could run the report processing using a second standalone
>> facelessly.
>> 
>> Sure, it's a bit of a kludge, but would be dirt-simple to implement, and
>> wouldn't expose the treachery of race conditions to the masses. :)
>> 
>> 
> been there but it is hard to exchange messages between the instances... :-/
> 
> 
> 
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World
>> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 18 20:29:38 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:29:38 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <4D363DD2.709@pdslabs.net>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>	<AANLkTi=XxJ7XrTuYkYD+f27Wz_C8vssd3_Ask0r0-sJW@mail.gmail.com>
	<61426695-31A4-47A0-B069-E7E908033476@twft.com>
	<4D363DD2.709@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <93FAB16C-D98D-4A28-8CA0-B40C578C4903@twft.com>

Right... but they cannot communicate easily, or I should say natively with each other.

Bob


On Jan 18, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Hi Bob,
> 
> On 1/18/11 5:05 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> Maybe I am using the wrong term here. Often in Windows an application will open multiple instances of an application, and each instance will be it's own process. An explorer window for example is it's own instance of Windows Explorer, and runs on it's own regardless of what the other window is doing. If that is not multithreading, then I am talking about something else.
> 
> I'm not entirely sure what this is called either, but you can do it on a Mac too - just duplicate LiveCode. Then you can run 2 IDEs simultaneously.
> -- 
> Phil Davis
> 
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
> 
> 
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Jan 18 20:46:39 2011
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:46:39 -0800
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101181539300.26851@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY><137125811031.20110117194345@ahsoftware.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1101181539300.26851@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <75DB95CC927440008123CE5D08A1DD5C@GATEWAY>

> > Monday, January 17, 2011, 3:33:13 PM, you wrote:
> >
> >> Just checking to see - who all is going this year? Just 
> noticing that 
> >> its happening in April 2011, and we are shortly running 
> out of January 2011.
> >
> > I'm going. That'll probably keep some folks away, but I thought it 
> > fair to give you warning.
> 
> --haha, you too?  I'm in.
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Judy

So Judy, this means you are only going to keep Mark out of trouble, right?

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Jan 18 21:04:58 2011
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:04:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <75DB95CC927440008123CE5D08A1DD5C@GATEWAY>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY><137125811031.20110117194345@ahsoftware.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1101181539300.26851@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<75DB95CC927440008123CE5D08A1DD5C@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101181801240.29055@ecs.fullerton.edu>


> So Judy, this means you are only going to keep Mark out of trouble, right?

--nahhh... double-trouble!  :-D

Judy



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Jan 18 21:07:14 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:07:14 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
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On 1/18/11 5:29 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Right... but they cannot communicate easily, or I should say natively with each other.
>
> Bob

Right.

>
> On Jan 18, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> On 1/18/11 5:05 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> Maybe I am using the wrong term here. Often in Windows an application will open multiple instances of an application, and each instance will be it's own process. An explorer window for example is it's own instance of Windows Explorer, and runs on it's own regardless of what the other window is doing. If that is not multithreading, then I am talking about something else.
>> I'm not entirely sure what this is called either, but you can do it on a Mac too - just duplicate LiveCode. Then you can run 2 IDEs simultaneously.
>> -- 
>> Phil Davis
>>
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Jan 18 21:09:41 2011
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:09:41 -0800
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
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> How about Ruslan or Lynn? Are either of you guys going?
> 
>  I am going and I'd like to see a shootout between MySQL and 
> Valentina!

Heh-heh. Right now the plan is that Ill be going. If we can get a good
enough internet connection, it may be possible to get Ruslan in via skype
video...

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From massung at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 21:17:34 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:17:34 -0700
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
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Well, TCP works great, you just have to define your protocol and go. This wouldn't be too difficult to implement. That said, a native method of letting LC apps inter-communicate w/o having to program it [much] would be slick. Taking some ideas from AppleScript:


## app "A":

start script server on port 5674



## app "B"

connect to application "A" on port 5674
tell application "A" "doSomethingCool"



The real questions: 

* Security. Is there a [with password] parameter for the server app? SSL?
* Is "doSomethingCool" a stack handler or is there an "on clientMessage" type handler?
* Do you allow only loopback (localhost) connections or also remote connections?


Simply put, this is really just a way of having RPC calls across LC applications. But, I admit, it'd be really cool. Certainly with the LC language it would be trivial to setup 2-way communication this way, having application "B" identifying itself to application "A", etc.

Jeff M.



On Jan 18, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Right... but they cannot communicate easily, or I should say natively with each other.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 18, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bob,
>> 
>> On 1/18/11 5:05 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> Maybe I am using the wrong term here. Often in Windows an application will open multiple instances of an application, and each instance will be it's own process. An explorer window for example is it's own instance of Windows Explorer, and runs on it's own regardless of what the other window is doing. If that is not multithreading, then I am talking about something else.
>> 
>> I'm not entirely sure what this is called either, but you can do it on a Mac too - just duplicate LiveCode. Then you can run 2 IDEs simultaneously.




From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Tue Jan 18 21:19:43 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:19:43 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
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	<589AD6FD-E045-4D27-9950-F244B0794690@mac.com>
	<4D34A32C.3030702@hyperactivesw.com>
	<8B27D88C-B957-48F0-99B2-5303CA6E9EA7@twft.com>
	<4D34A9DC.4060302@hyperactivesw.com>
	<774CAC87-F933-4538-8B2D-876D89F3899C@fiberworld.nl>
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I installed the FTDIUSBSerial drive and nothing changes.

I can see the /dev/cu.usbmodem1a21 in :
Arduino IDE
Terminal
Cornflake
Processing

But not in Livecode :
SerialTest
MakeBoard
Communicator
MyOwnTestStack

The Arduino Uno has a serial to usb chip on it so it doesn't use the FTDIUSBSerial driver. That has to be the problem. Maybe it is seen as a usb too soon by the computer and as such LC only sees a USB port and no serial port.

OK, if that's the case then what about shell commands? ANyone know of some simple shell commands to read the serial data that I am sending from the Arduino Uno????

That would help me test this out.
Thanks

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 18, 2011, at 5:55 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Claudi,
> 
> yes and No. There is a driver that gets loaded on Leopard but it is not loaded in snow Leopard. They changed the way the Arduino Uno gets connected.
> 
> "Open up the serial monitor (or any other terminal program) and use single-keystroke commands to control stepper motor speed, direction, and power."
> 
> This is a snippet from a motor Controller board but the hint here is that the terminal program can access and send serial commands so maybe that is a way around this issue. 
> 
> The Snow Leopard way is that the Arduino shows up in Network Pane as a Modem. But it does not show up as one of the serial ports in Sarah's Serial Test project.
> 
> I can install the Leopard driver and try that and or try the direct terminal and see about that next.
> 
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Jan 18, 2011, at 5:06 AM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:
> 
>> Hi Thomas,
>> 
>> I just ordered a arduino yesterday and hope to have it tommorow.
>> I sure hope this can be solved. (Well I am very positive about that, one way or another, that's why I ordered one anyway)
>> 
>> I have been looking on the web. I guess you did this already but just in case, here are some links
>> http://www.patokeefe.com/archives/316
>> http://ricardo-dias.com/node/130
>> http://code.google.com/p/xcode-arduino-serial-communication/
>> 
>> and in the livecode forum there is a thread about the arduino and apparently mmiele got it working :
>> 
>> by mmiele ? Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:25 am
>> 
>> I used MacOS Tiger and then Leopard. 
>> 
>> What you need is: 
>> 
>> 1 - download and install from the Arduino site (http://www.arduino.cc) the Arduino SDK. 
>> 
>> 2 - download and install from the Arduino site or the FTDI site (http://www.ftdichip.com) the driver to see the Arduino USB as a serial port. 
>> 
>> 3 - connect the arduino board to an USB port of your Mac. 
>> 
>> You will see is a new entry in the list of serial devices. 
>> You can get the list reading the "driverNames" property: ex. 
>> 
>> put the driverNames into field "serialPorts". 
>> 
>> You can get a useful stack to test serial communication at 
>> 
>> http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials.php 
>> 
>> The stack is SerialTest.rev
>> mmiele
>> 
>> Posts: 17
>> Joined: Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:25 pm
>> Location: Naples, Italy
>> 
>> 
>> this is from: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2419
>> 
>> I hope you can get it working quickly and otherwise I will join your efford as soon as my arduino arrives.
>> 
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>>  Claudi
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Jan 18 22:02:43 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:02:43 -0600
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
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Fantastic. Looking forward to however you guys do it.

On 18 January 2011 20:09, Lynn Fredricks <lfredricks at proactive-intl.com>wrote:

> > How about Ruslan or Lynn? Are either of you guys going?
> >
> >  I am going and I'd like to see a shootout between MySQL and
> > Valentina!
>
> Heh-heh. Right now the plan is that Ill be going. If we can get a good
> enough internet connection, it may be possible to get Ruslan in via skype
> video...
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
>
>
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 22:41:16 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:41:16 -0400
Subject: fillRule - An useful vector graphic property
Message-ID: <AANLkTikqLMza9AB7D1hX3KzrZ-XwPjCg3gKdP+sNNNRC@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Just today, I found about this use for the
property named "fillRule"

Put the following script of 7 lines in a button:
(Watch for wraps in the Third line)

create graphic
set the style of it to polygon
set the points of it to "50,50" & cr & "50,100" & cr & "100,100" & cr
& "100,50" & cr & "50,50" & cr & cr & "60,60" & cr & "60,90" & cr &
"90,90" & cr & "90,60" & cr & "60,60"
set the opaque of it to true
set the fillRule of it to evenodd
set the backcolor of it to "green"
set the tool to pointer

You have a Square with a square hole... :-D
Of course, this is already explained in the Dictionary
but without an example, it's not really obvious.

Now, Livecode only needs some way to create irregular
masks from Polygon vector graphic. :-)

Al



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Tue Jan 18 23:03:42 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:03:42 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
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I tried in terminal to do a screen /dev/cu.usbmodem1a21 and it worked. control a & control \ to stop and close port (I think)


I don't know enough about shell to come up with a good script to try out here in LC.

Any ideas?

Thanks

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:06 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/16/11 10:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> The dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 does not show up in the list using the
>> SerialTest.rev stack.
>> 
>> It does show up in the Arduino software Serial list. Also in the
>> Arduino you have to use the tty.usbmodem1a21. Also when you plug the
>> Arduino in the Mac detects a new modem and asks to set it up in
>> Internet preferences pane. hit apply and then it shows up in
>> Arduino.
> 
> If the Mac thinks it's a modem, I'd try using "open file" as Mark Waddingham suggested. Specify "modem:" and set the serialControlString. He did mention that the drivernames aren't always accurate on OS X.
> 
> If that doesn't work, use "open file" with the "/dev/" path. I'm not sure which path would work, I guess you'd need to test them all. Basically the one that works in Terminal should work in LiveCode.
> 
> Did you try talking to it in Terminal? Does that work?
> 
> -- 
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From calhorner at xtra.co.nz  Tue Jan 18 23:27:53 2011
From: calhorner at xtra.co.nz (Cal Horner)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:27:53 +1300 (New Zealand Daylight Time)
Subject: File Suffix
Message-ID: <4D36682A.000003.02352@CALS_BIG_PC>

I noticed in the forum a few digests ago that one of the members was looking
for conventions to use in coding and object naming, etc. And from my
experience with Runrev and now LC stacks the people on this forum try to use
some form of convention naming. Even if it isn't pure Hungarian notation.

I think I can say that we all have reached some degree of professionalism. 

So, my question is "Who the H*** decided, in their little pea-brain, that
they would break the convention (that has been around since Pontius was a
Pilot) of a filename, a period (a full-stop for all you commonwealth people)
and then finally a three character suffix."?

Don't you think that this git should be taken out and tarred and feathered?

How are we going to work around this. Who's got the hack that allows us to get back to some semblance of sanity. And How about sharing it.

From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Jan 18 23:37:36 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:37:36 -0800
Subject: fillRule - An useful vector graphic property
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikqLMza9AB7D1hX3KzrZ-XwPjCg3gKdP+sNNNRC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C95BAA90.504F5%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> Now, Livecode only needs some way to create irregular
> masks from Polygon vector graphic. :-)

There is a way, but it's not easy -- ink effects.  See the second card of
this stack (in your message box):

go url 
"http://www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/downloads/masking_options.rev"

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Jan 19 00:02:47 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:02:47 -0600
Subject: File Suffix
In-Reply-To: <4D36682A.000003.02352@CALS_BIG_PC>
References: <4D36682A.000003.02352@CALS_BIG_PC>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-E8bpr1iCwCFat7OmSJ1+aXqL+f8=75YC3PXp@mail.gmail.com>

I take it you don't like the .livecode suffix very much.

Quite frankly, I think there are many of us that don't either. But we've
also found it's perfectly acceptable to use ".rev" and the stacks will still
operate without a problem.  The only time we see the IDE add the suffix is
on the creation of a new stack, and easy to fix with a script, or by hand.

I don't like long suffixes, for sure. They take too much room in a listing
and makes it harder to read with all that repetition. Often the suffix would
be longer than the actual file name in this case.

I am sure the mother ship has good intentions in this move - it gets the
name of the product out there and we're all for that.

But certainly an offense not worth bad feelings and tarring and feathering.

On 18 January 2011 22:27, Cal Horner <calhorner at xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> I noticed in the forum a few digests ago that one of the members was
> looking
> for conventions to use in coding and object naming, etc. And from my
> experience with Runrev and now LC stacks the people on this forum try to
> use
> some form of convention naming. Even if it isn't pure Hungarian notation.
>
> I think I can say that we all have reached some degree of professionalism.
>
> So, my question is "Who the H*** decided, in their little pea-brain, that
> they would break the convention (that has been around since Pontius was a
> Pilot) of a filename, a period (a full-stop for all you commonwealth
> people)
> and then finally a three character suffix."?
>
> Don't you think that this git should be taken out and tarred and feathered?
>
> How are we going to work around this. Who's got the hack that allows us to
> get back to some semblance of sanity. And How about sharing it.
> _______________________________________________
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From form at nonsanity.com  Wed Jan 19 00:06:16 2011
From: form at nonsanity.com (form)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 00:06:16 -0500
Subject: fillRule - An useful vector graphic property
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikqLMza9AB7D1hX3KzrZ-XwPjCg3gKdP+sNNNRC@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikqLMza9AB7D1hX3KzrZ-XwPjCg3gKdP+sNNNRC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiknYhAUsBVLSf92GkLoVi9xREEB=zQdviVx-eH9@mail.gmail.com>

Just a tip, in case its useful... You can just use a comma instead of CR
when populating the points. They get turned back into CRs internally, but it
makes it easier to hand-jam values in the code to use "1,1,20,20,100,100"
instead of "1,1"&cr&"20,20"&cr&"100,100"

 ~ Chris Innanen
 ~ Nonsanity


On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Alejandro Tejada
<capellan2000 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just today, I found about this use for the
> property named "fillRule"
>
> Put the following script of 7 lines in a button:
> (Watch for wraps in the Third line)
>
> create graphic
> set the style of it to polygon
> set the points of it to "50,50" & cr & "50,100" & cr & "100,100" & cr
> & "100,50" & cr & "50,50" & cr & cr & "60,60" & cr & "60,90" & cr &
> "90,90" & cr & "90,60" & cr & "60,60"
> set the opaque of it to true
> set the fillRule of it to evenodd
> set the backcolor of it to "green"
> set the tool to pointer
>
> You have a Square with a square hole... :-D
> Of course, this is already explained in the Dictionary
> but without an example, it's not really obvious.
>
> Now, Livecode only needs some way to create irregular
> masks from Polygon vector graphic. :-)
>
> Al
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 19 00:14:58 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:14:58 -0600
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <20252AD0-9411-4E0C-B805-CBB16EDD76C7@gmail.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>	<AANLkTi=XxJ7XrTuYkYD+f27Wz_C8vssd3_Ask0r0-sJW@mail.gmail.com>	<61426695-31A4-47A0-B069-E7E908033476@twft.com>	<4D363DD2.709@pdslabs.net>	<93FAB16C-D98D-4A28-8CA0-B40C578C4903@twft.com>
	<20252AD0-9411-4E0C-B805-CBB16EDD76C7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D367352.90700@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/18/11 8:17 PM, Jeffrey Massung wrote:
> Well, TCP works great, you just have to define your protocol and go.
> This wouldn't be too difficult to implement. That said, a native
> method of letting LC apps inter-communicate w/o having to program it
> [much] would be slick. Taking some ideas from AppleScript:
>
>
> ## app "A":
>
> start script server on port 5674
>
>
>
> ## app "B"
>
> connect to application "A" on port 5674 tell application "A"
> "doSomethingCool"


Oh, I so like this idea.


-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 19 00:21:18 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:21:18 -0600
Subject: File Suffix
In-Reply-To: <4D36682A.000003.02352@CALS_BIG_PC>
References: <4D36682A.000003.02352@CALS_BIG_PC>
Message-ID: <4D3674CE.2030600@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/18/11 10:27 PM, Cal Horner wrote:

> So, my question is "Who the H*** decided, in their little pea-brain, that
> they would break the convention (that has been around since Pontius was a
> Pilot) of a filename, a period (a full-stop for all you commonwealth people)
> and then finally a three character suffix."?

All the 3-letter extensions got used up. Even ".rev" conflicts with 
something else.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 00:28:53 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:28:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Using Shell to run a DOS program
In-Reply-To: <2D7D7BD1-9232-4989-99AF-7B6CA9C794A1@twft.com>
References: <AANLkTinXBdyv4u48-Y39vopRWmvZgKmHWGhh-rvP=Dyt@mail.gmail.com>
	<75229CD1-A84B-49AA-BC60-E7A1AE0371E6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1295297271924-3221259.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<954A2D40-4CE6-419D-9916-AB6831025094@twft.com>
	<1295391456727-3224197.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<2D7D7BD1-9232-4989-99AF-7B6CA9C794A1@twft.com>
Message-ID: <1295414933893-3224574.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Bob,

Bob wrote:
>I envisioned you using the terminal to send DOS commands
>to an emulator. Maybe I think too much.

Actually, my late question was directed to
Mark, asking How he could run a DOS program
in a Mac to test the script that I posted.

I use Windows and, somedays, Linux.

Al 
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From irog at mac.com  Wed Jan 19 00:40:49 2011
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:40:49 -0700
Subject: Uploading to RevOnline Problems
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7866.1295403608.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7866.1295403608.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7F2BA123-FDB0-4B1E-983E-A8AF116FCFC3@mac.com>

I know there has been a lot of discussion in the past about the unreliablity of uploading to RevOnline, but does anyone know if there is a size limit?

Thanks and cheers,
Roger Guay



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Wed Jan 19 00:55:09 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 00:55:09 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <17E6CF55-4EB0-4EEC-8684-358A4A4B017C@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<AANLkTikAtPv6Z0UsfQn8Y6qCkbAiW8cgi3dZn1Jc1xTZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B8E23C84-0599-4882-A102-ECB801BE5BC8@mac.com>
	<4D33DC81.3040805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<17E6CF55-4EB0-4EEC-8684-358A4A4B017C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2E2F72BA-1E79-459F-9CF9-EF7A6DE48772@mac.com>

I did just find an Applescript OSAX that will let me connect to the Arduino Uno.

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzenuoqe/MacSoft.html

SerialportX

It might be a bridge for this computer anyways.

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 18, 2011, at 11:03 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> I tried in terminal to do a screen /dev/cu.usbmodem1a21 and it worked. control a & control \ to stop and close port (I think)
> 
> 
> I don't know enough about shell to come up with a good script to try out here in LC.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:06 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> On 1/16/11 10:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>> The dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 does not show up in the list using the
>>> SerialTest.rev stack.
>>> 
>>> It does show up in the Arduino software Serial list. Also in the
>>> Arduino you have to use the tty.usbmodem1a21. Also when you plug the
>>> Arduino in the Mac detects a new modem and asks to set it up in
>>> Internet preferences pane. hit apply and then it shows up in
>>> Arduino.
>> 
>> If the Mac thinks it's a modem, I'd try using "open file" as Mark Waddingham suggested. Specify "modem:" and set the serialControlString. He did mention that the drivernames aren't always accurate on OS X.
>> 
>> If that doesn't work, use "open file" with the "/dev/" path. I'm not sure which path would work, I guess you'd need to test them all. Basically the one that works in Terminal should work in LiveCode.
>> 
>> Did you try talking to it in Terminal? Does that work?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jan 19 01:05:09 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:05:09 -0800
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1101181801240.29055@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY><137125811031.20110117194345@ahsoftware.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1101181539300.26851@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<75DB95CC927440008123CE5D08A1DD5C@GATEWAY>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1101181801240.29055@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <36220694906.20110118220509@ahsoftware.net>

>> So Judy, this means you are only going to keep Mark out of trouble, right?

> --nahhh... double-trouble!  :-D

Yeah, we're on a roll now. Judy... you bringing the dogs?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jan 19 01:05:38 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:05:38 -0800
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <B1177195-00CB-47FD-A74B-79375C6C64E5@mac.com>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
	<137125811031.20110117194345@ahsoftware.net>
	<B1177195-00CB-47FD-A74B-79375C6C64E5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <33220723859.20110118220538@ahsoftware.net>

Bill-

Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 10:43:11 AM, you wrote:

> I'll be at Macworld.

> Anyone want to get together?

I'll probably be there on Thursday. Does that work?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 01:44:56 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:44:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: fillRule - An useful vector graphic property
In-Reply-To: <C95BAA90.504F5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <AANLkTikqLMza9AB7D1hX3KzrZ-XwPjCg3gKdP+sNNNRC@mail.gmail.com>
	<C95BAA90.504F5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <1295419496333-3224630.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Scott,

Excellent work, Scott! :-D

I remember that you posted
this method some time ago,
but still I have to test if this 
way of masking is viable in a
standalone or within StackRunner.

Chris Innanen wrote:

>You can just use a comma instead
>of CR when populating the points.
>They get turned back into CRs internally,

Yes, this is a really helpful tip.
Thanks a lot, Chris! :-)

Al


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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 05:39:11 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:39:11 +0100
Subject: How do I force a key to enter just one character when being pressed?
Message-ID: <AANLkTimw4dveEMjpycc7s9U9jHMHBqij+XALo1ukSn0v@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

I limit text entry of fld "text" with following code.

on keyDown pKey
  ?if (the formattedHeight of fld "text" < the height of fld "text")
  then
  pass keyDown
  end if
end keyDown

One thing that I want to change now is a way to force a key to enter
just one character after being pressed/hold down.
Any thoughts on that?

greetings,

William



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Jan 19 05:49:54 2011
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:49:54 +0000
Subject: How do I force a key to enter just one character when being
	pressed?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimw4dveEMjpycc7s9U9jHMHBqij+XALo1ukSn0v@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimw4dveEMjpycc7s9U9jHMHBqij+XALo1ukSn0v@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-w62335D0A39FA201278D1D0EDF60@phx.gbl>



In the script of fld "text"...

on keyDown theKey
   if the number of chars of fld "text" > 0 then
      beep
      exit keyDown
   else
      put theKey into fld "text"
   end if
end keyDown

> Hi there,
> 
> I limit text entry of fld "text" with following code.
> 
> on keyDown pKey
>    if (the formattedHeight of fld "text" < the height of fld "text")
>   then
>   pass keyDown
>   end if
> end keyDown
> 
> One thing that I want to change now is a way to force a key to enter
> just one character after being pressed/hold down.
> Any thoughts on that?
> 
> greetings,
> 
> William

 		 	   		  

From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 06:02:07 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:02:07 +0100
Subject: How do I force a key to enter just one character when being
	pressed?
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-w62335D0A39FA201278D1D0EDF60@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTimw4dveEMjpycc7s9U9jHMHBqij+XALo1ukSn0v@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY152-w62335D0A39FA201278D1D0EDF60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimcLeSrqq7Yu16LHvK40XpnrY3tTBg6zHpfwPUm@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks John,

But with this script I limt the entry of the field to just one character.
My 'problem' is dat when you keep a key pressed down more characters
are entered.
When you hold down the 'A' key AAAAAAAAAAA is entered.
I wish to limit that. Just one entry of a key when being hold
down/pressed al the time.

Any thoughts on this?

greetings,

William



2011/1/19 John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk>:
>
>
> In the script of fld "text"...
>
> on keyDown theKey
> ? if the number of chars of fld "text" > 0 then
> ? ? ?beep
> ? ? ?exit keyDown
> ? else
> ? ? ?put theKey into fld "text"
> ? end if
> end keyDown
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I limit text entry of fld "text" with following code.
>>
>> on keyDown pKey
>> ? ?if (the formattedHeight of fld "text" < the height of fld "text")
>> ? then
>> ? pass keyDown
>> ? end if
>> end keyDown
>>
>> One thing that I want to change now is a way to force a key to enter
>> just one character after being pressed/hold down.
>> Any thoughts on that?
>>
>> greetings,
>>
>> William
>
>
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From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Wed Jan 19 06:15:24 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:15:24 +0000
Subject: How do I force a key to enter just one character when being
	pressed?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimcLeSrqq7Yu16LHvK40XpnrY3tTBg6zHpfwPUm@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimw4dveEMjpycc7s9U9jHMHBqij+XALo1ukSn0v@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY152-w62335D0A39FA201278D1D0EDF60@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTimcLeSrqq7Yu16LHvK40XpnrY3tTBg6zHpfwPUm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41704D8D-E7CD-4578-8C2A-5929B5A20050@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

...how about using key-down, to trap the entered characters into a 'cache' variable and then on key-up, writing character 1 from that back into your target field/variable? 
 
On 19 Jan 2011, at 11:02, William de Smet wrote:

> Thanks John,
> 
> But with this script I limt the entry of the field to just one character.
> My 'problem' is dat when you keep a key pressed down more characters
> are entered.
> When you hold down the 'A' key AAAAAAAAAAA is entered.
> I wish to limit that. Just one entry of a key when being hold
> down/pressed al the time.
> 
> Any thoughts on this?
> 
> greetings,
> 
> William
> 
> 
> 
> 2011/1/19 John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk>:
>> 
>> 
>> In the script of fld "text"...
>> 
>> on keyDown theKey
>>   if the number of chars of fld "text" > 0 then
>>      beep
>>      exit keyDown
>>   else
>>      put theKey into fld "text"
>>   end if
>> end keyDown
>> 
>>> Hi there,
>>> 
>>> I limit text entry of fld "text" with following code.
>>> 
>>> on keyDown pKey
>>>    if (the formattedHeight of fld "text" < the height of fld "text")
>>>   then
>>>   pass keyDown
>>>   end if
>>> end keyDown
>>> 
>>> One thing that I want to change now is a way to force a key to enter
>>> just one character after being pressed/hold down.
>>> Any thoughts on that?
>>> 
>>> greetings,
>>> 
>>> William
>> 
>> 
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From th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com  Wed Jan 19 06:17:03 2011
From: th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com (Thierry)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:17:03 +0100
Subject: How do I force a key to enter just one character when being
	pressed?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimcLeSrqq7Yu16LHvK40XpnrY3tTBg6zHpfwPUm@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimw4dveEMjpycc7s9U9jHMHBqij+XALo1ukSn0v@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY152-w62335D0A39FA201278D1D0EDF60@phx.gbl>
	<AANLkTimcLeSrqq7Yu16LHvK40XpnrY3tTBg6zHpfwPUm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0CDD4FCC-1AF1-4D95-B994-BFA64B81DB23@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 19 janv. 2011 ? 12:02, William de Smet a ?crit :

> Thanks John,
> 
> But with this script I limt the entry of the field to just one character.
> My 'problem' is dat when you keep a key pressed down more characters
> are entered.
> When you hold down the 'A' key AAAAAAAAAAA is entered.
> I wish to limit that. Just one entry of a key when being hold
> down/pressed al the time.
> 
> Any thoughts on this?

Did you tried  rawkeydown instead of keydown ?

Guess it works...

Thierry




From iowahengst at mac.com  Wed Jan 19 07:28:33 2011
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 06:28:33 -0600
Subject: RunRev Live 2011 - Are You Going? Do You Know the Way to San Jose?
In-Reply-To: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
References: <0FB82EE140FB49E89BD8A3C17F170771@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <DC4AC45E-C704-4573-A8F9-97417420F692@mac.com>

I'm coming. I wish is was soon so I could get away from the snow....

take care,
randy hengst

On Jan 17, 2011, at 5:33 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> Just checking to see - who all is going this year? Just noticing that its
> happening in April 2011, and we are shortly running out of January 2011.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 
> 
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 07:54:53 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:54:53 +0200
Subject: PDF to JPEG
In-Reply-To: <012301cbb756$993726b0$cba57410$@LinkIt.Com>
References: <012301cbb756$993726b0$cba57410$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <4D36DF1D.5070801@gmail.com>

On 01/18/2011 11:28 PM, Ray Horsley wrote:
> Anybody know of a way to convert a single PDF file (with multiple pages) to
> multiple JPEG files?
>

GIMP; a bit tedious; i.e. page by page, but it is FREE.

> Thanks,
>
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 19 09:06:57 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 06:06:57 -0800
Subject: File Suffix
Message-ID: <4D36F001.8060800@fourthworld.com>

Cal Horner wrote:

> I noticed in the forum a few digests ago that one of the members was looking
> for conventions to use in coding and object naming, etc. And from my
> experience with Runrev and now LC stacks the people on this forum try to use
> some form of convention naming. Even if it isn't pure Hungarian notation.
>
> I think I can say that we all have reached some degree of professionalism.
>
> So, my question is "Who the H*** decided, in their little pea-brain, that
> they would break the convention (that has been around since Pontius was a
> Pilot) of a filename, a period (a full-stop for all you commonwealth people)
> and then finally a three character suffix."?
>
> Don't you think that this git should be taken out and tarred and feathered?

You can change lines 903 and 1028 in the revBackScript script to use any 
extension you like.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From ray at linkit.com  Wed Jan 19 09:09:25 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:09:25 -0500
Subject: PDF to JPEG
In-Reply-To: <4D36DF1D.5070801@gmail.com>
References: <012301cbb756$993726b0$cba57410$@LinkIt.Com>
	<4D36DF1D.5070801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002e01cbb7e2$7b1c5f60$71551e20$@LinkIt.Com>

Sorry, I should have mentioned that I need to do this from within LiveCode.
Any other suggestions?

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

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From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richmond
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:55 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: PDF to JPEG

On 01/18/2011 11:28 PM, Ray Horsley wrote:
> Anybody know of a way to convert a single PDF file (with multiple 
> pages) to multiple JPEG files?
>

GIMP; a bit tedious; i.e. page by page, but it is FREE.

> Thanks,
>
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
>
>
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Jan 19 09:30:52 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:30:52 EST
Subject: How do I force a key to enter just one character when being
	pressed?
Message-ID: <45cc5.448be4d9.3a684f9c@aol.com>

Is there a way to set the "delay until repeat" in the system prefs to 
"off".

This on a mac, anyway.

Craig Newman


From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Wed Jan 19 10:10:48 2011
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:10:48 -0500
Subject: PDF to JPEG
In-Reply-To: <002e01cbb7e2$7b1c5f60$71551e20$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <OF3BE7A059.AD26F0ED-ON8525781D.0052CDDE-8525781D.0053639B@sealedair.com>

I have never used this software, but being a command-line tool, you should
be able to call it from Rev via shell, assuming you are using Windows.

http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Business/Document_Management_Tools/e_PDF_PDF_To_Thumbnail_Converter.html

Key features:
1. PDF to Thumbnail Command Line can convert PDF files to JPG, JPEG, TIFF,
BMP, PNG, GIF, TGA, PCX, PNM, RAS, PBM, etc. images;
2. PDF to Thumbnail Command Line supports Password Protected PDF files;
3. PDF to Thumbnail Command Line can specify any resolution from 10 to 1200
dpi in the generated image files;
... and more...

~Roger


> Sorry, I should have mentioned that I need to do this from within
LiveCode.
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richmond
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:55 AM
>> To: How to use LiveCode
>> Subject: Re: PDF to JPEG
>>
>> On 01/18/2011 11:28 PM, Ray Horsley wrote:
>>> Anybody know of a way to convert a single PDF file (with multiple
>>> pages) to multiple JPEG files?
>>>
>>
>> GIMP; a bit tedious; i.e. page by page, but it is FREE.
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ray Horsley
>>> LinkIt! Software
>>>
>>>




From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 10:12:36 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 16:12:36 +0100
Subject: How do I force a key to enter just one character when being
	pressed?
In-Reply-To: <45cc5.448be4d9.3a684f9c@aol.com>
References: <45cc5.448be4d9.3a684f9c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=KvOrY3Za8SV5MrUTUudA9HU6so67Rbhj71=Pw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Graig but the app will be mostly used on Windows (but developed
on a Mac).
@ Thierry: RawKeyDown will will work if you specify a certain key.

local pressed
on arrowKey theKey

  ? ?if (theKey = "Right") and (not pressed) then
    ? ? ? put true into pressed
  ? ?end if

on rawKeyUp keycode
? ?if keycode = 65361 then put false into pressed
end rawKeyUp

Can I change this? And how do I do that?


greetings,

William



2011/1/19  <DunbarX at aol.com>:
> Is there a way to set the "delay until repeat" in the system prefs to
> "off".
>
> This on a mac, anyway.
>
> Craig Newman
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Jan 19 11:08:33 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:08:33 EST
Subject: How do I force a key to enter just one character when being
	pressed?
Message-ID: <4d5ab.5ce5ef4.3a686681@aol.com>

Try this in the field script:

on keyDown var
    if the stillPressed of me = "true" then exit to top
    put var after me
    set the currentText of me to me
    set the stillPressed of me to "true"
end keyDown

on keyup
   set the stillPressed of me to "false"
end keyup


From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Jan 19 11:12:31 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:12:31 EST
Subject: How do I force a key to enter just one character when being
	pressed?
Message-ID: <4da0f.514c6262.3a68676f@aol.com>

I had tried a few methods in my last post. One line is not necessary. So 
this:

on keyDown var
    if the stillPressed of me = "true" then exit to top
    put var after me
    set the stillPressed of me to "true"
end keyDown

on keyup
   set the stillPressed of me to "false"
end keyup


From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Wed Jan 19 11:20:27 2011
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:20:27 +0100
Subject: The best way to embed a lot of pictures in an ios application
Message-ID: <B68BF2ED-E646-4B3A-B4AF-1A4549D60D6C@laposte.net>

Hello,

I test the ios part of runrev, maybe for a futur app.

What is the best way to store a large number of images in a iapp?  
Image Library, custom property,? ?

I have to show them on demand

Thanks !


From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 19 11:48:09 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:48:09 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <20252AD0-9411-4E0C-B805-CBB16EDD76C7@gmail.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>	<AANLkTi=XxJ7XrTuYkYD+f27Wz_C8vssd3_Ask0r0-sJW@mail.gmail.com>
	<61426695-31A4-47A0-B069-E7E908033476@twft.com>
	<4D363DD2.709@pdslabs.net>
	<93FAB16C-D98D-4A28-8CA0-B40C578C4903@twft.com>
	<20252AD0-9411-4E0C-B805-CBB16EDD76C7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6B553F05-CA04-4832-BAAC-2EFF7A093043@twft.com>

I was thinking of something a lot more "native" than that. All threads in a multithreaded IDE or standalone could theoretically have access to all the objects and processes in all threaded processes. The engine would be responsible for internally keeping track of everything, and the developer would never need to be concerned about which thread. If Stack A running in one thread wanted to know the contents of a field or button on a card in stack B running in another thread, you would just code as normal. 

The advantage and goal would be to have entire stacks or just certain commands or functions running in their own thread so that a long process in one stack would not prevent another from running. 

But maybe it all works because it's only in my head. 

Bob


On Jan 18, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Jeffrey Massung wrote:

> Well, TCP works great, you just have to define your protocol and go. This wouldn't be too difficult to implement. That said, a native method of letting LC apps inter-communicate w/o having to program it [much] would be slick. Taking some ideas from AppleScript:
> 
> 
> ## app "A":
> 
> start script server on port 5674
> 
> 
> 
> ## app "B"
> 
> connect to application "A" on port 5674
> tell application "A" "doSomethingCool"
> 
> 
> 
> The real questions: 
> 
> * Security. Is there a [with password] parameter for the server app? SSL?
> * Is "doSomethingCool" a stack handler or is there an "on clientMessage" type handler?
> * Do you allow only loopback (localhost) connections or also remote connections?
> 
> 
> Simply put, this is really just a way of having RPC calls across LC applications. But, I admit, it'd be really cool. Certainly with the LC language it would be trivial to setup 2-way communication this way, having application "B" identifying itself to application "A", etc.
> 
> Jeff M.
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 18, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> Right... but they cannot communicate easily, or I should say natively with each other.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 18, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Bob,
>>> 
>>> On 1/18/11 5:05 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>>> Maybe I am using the wrong term here. Often in Windows an application will open multiple instances of an application, and each instance will be it's own process. An explorer window for example is it's own instance of Windows Explorer, and runs on it's own regardless of what the other window is doing. If that is not multithreading, then I am talking about something else.
>>> 
>>> I'm not entirely sure what this is called either, but you can do it on a Mac too - just duplicate LiveCode. Then you can run 2 IDEs simultaneously.
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 19 11:51:05 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:51:05 -0800
Subject: The best way to embed a lot of pictures in an ios application
In-Reply-To: <B68BF2ED-E646-4B3A-B4AF-1A4549D60D6C@laposte.net>
References: <B68BF2ED-E646-4B3A-B4AF-1A4549D60D6C@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <2E44C016-5FCA-40B9-A0F9-58027B2E7C88@twft.com>

I would say just use the file system like iPhoto and iTunes does. No need to keep them internally is there? 

Bob


On Jan 19, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Ludovic Th?bault wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I test the ios part of runrev, maybe for a futur app.
> 
> What is the best way to store a large number of images in a iapp? Image Library, custom property,? ?
> 
> I have to show them on demand
> 
> Thanks !
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Jan 19 11:51:54 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:51:54 -0200
Subject: The best way to embed a lot of pictures in an ios application
In-Reply-To: <B68BF2ED-E646-4B3A-B4AF-1A4549D60D6C@laposte.net>
References: <B68BF2ED-E646-4B3A-B4AF-1A4549D60D6C@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=JQ2yMap4udv-rMay+ZmRk8TysQkkA1VjkgjPg@mail.gmail.com>

Ludovic,

I think that if you store them in the stack, your stack will grow and it
will take longer to launch which you want to avoid. Better to bundle all the
images as files in the app bundle and load them on demand.

andre

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Ludovic Th?bault <
ludovic.thebault at laposte.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I test the ios part of runrev, maybe for a futur app.
>
> What is the best way to store a large number of images in a iapp? Image
> Library, custom property,? ?
>
> I have to show them on demand
>
> Thanks !
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From massung at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 13:02:31 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:02:31 -0700
Subject: The best way to embed a lot of pictures in an ios application
In-Reply-To: <B68BF2ED-E646-4B3A-B4AF-1A4549D60D6C@laposte.net>
References: <B68BF2ED-E646-4B3A-B4AF-1A4549D60D6C@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinY_uww3UY8MoiXf+Rm_e=f5=+hrSo_xqjzvCwo@mail.gmail.com>

I think it would depend on what you consider to be "large". Also keep in
mind that the number of images (and the size of your stack) will directly
impact any potential sales since AT&T limits 3G app downloads to 20 MB.

If you are talking about an insane number of images (think something like a
medical DB with images of injuries, pills, etc), then I'd highly recommend
hosting the images on a server, and the first time the app is launched
prompting the user if they'd like to download them all now or just load them
as needed via the internet. It has the added benefit of letting you update
the images w/o having to update your app in the AppStore.

Jeff M.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Ludovic Th?bault <
ludovic.thebault at laposte.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I test the ios part of runrev, maybe for a futur app.
>
> What is the best way to store a large number of images in a iapp? Image
> Library, custom property,? ?
>
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 19 13:18:34 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:18:34 -0800
Subject: The best way to embed a lot of pictures in an ios application
Message-ID: <4D372AFA.6020207@fourthworld.com>

Jeff Massung wrote:

> I think it would depend on what you consider to be "large". Also keep in
> mind that the number of images (and the size of your stack) will directly
> impact any potential sales since AT&T limits 3G app downloads to 20 MB.

Is that in the fine print of the dev agreement?
Where can we learn the details?

I have a client who's hoping to deliver something much larger than 20MB.

Wasn't the Wired app much larger?

--
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  Fourth World
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From bvg at mac.com  Wed Jan 19 13:20:28 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:20:28 +0100
Subject: The best way to embed a lot of pictures in an ios application
In-Reply-To: <4D372AFA.6020207@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D372AFA.6020207@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <446D8448-B490-4CE6-B764-081545D95109@mac.com>

the on-device shop limits the size of apps available trough it. the itunes shop does not.

On 19 Jan 2011, at 19:18, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Jeff Massung wrote:
> 
>> I think it would depend on what you consider to be "large". Also keep in
>> mind that the number of images (and the size of your stack) will directly
>> impact any potential sales since AT&T limits 3G app downloads to 20 MB.
> 
> Is that in the fine print of the dev agreement?
> Where can we learn the details?
> 
> I have a client who's hoping to deliver something much larger than 20MB.
> 
> Wasn't the Wired app much larger?
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 19 13:23:48 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:23:48 -0800
Subject: The best way to embed a lot of pictures in an ios application
Message-ID: <4D372C34.9080100@fourthworld.com>

Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> the on-device shop limits the size of apps available trough it. the itunes shop does not.

Is this noted on the AT&T site?

I need a URL to an authoritative source so I can discuss the 
implications with my client.

TIA -

> On 19 Jan 2011, at 19:18, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Jeff Massung wrote:
>>
>>> I think it would depend on what you consider to be "large". Also keep in
>>> mind that the number of images (and the size of your stack) will directly
>>> impact any potential sales since AT&T limits 3G app downloads to 20 MB.
>>
>> Is that in the fine print of the dev agreement?
>> Where can we learn the details?
>>
>> I have a client who's hoping to deliver something much larger than 20MB.
>>
>> Wasn't the Wired app much larger?

--
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  Fourth World
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Jan 19 13:30:52 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:30:52 -0800
Subject: The best way to embed a lot of pictures in an ios application
In-Reply-To: <4D372C34.9080100@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C95C6DDC.50555%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:


>> the on-device shop limits the size of apps available trough it. the itunes
>> shop does not.
> 
> Is this noted on the AT&T site?
> 
> I need a URL to an authoritative source so I can discuss the
> implications with my client.

I've come across this in the games arena as well.  I don't have a source for
you, but I've heard the same thing -- 20MB limit on cell downloads.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Jan 19 13:31:40 2011
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:31:40 +0100
Subject: [ANN] animationEngine 4.0
Message-ID: <2B5E74BE-5DEB-416F-8DB4-676E44201765@derbrill.de>

Dear fellow Livecoders,

I am happy to announce the immediate availability of animationEngine 4.0

http://www.runrev.com/downloads/marketplace/animation_engine/4_0_0/animationengine4.zip

tiny URL for linewrap breaks: http://tinyurl.com/4zg9xc5

Product page: http://runrev.com/store/product/animation-engine-4-0-0/

Version 4 of animationEngine ensures compatibility with iOS devices and, as far as possible, compliance with Apples AppStore.

AppStore compliance:

We rewrote parts of AE, that could potentially cause applications using AE to be rejected. Everything inside AE behaves like a nice appstore citizen now.

Multitouch constrained dragging: 
Previous versions of AE relied on mouse messages being sent to constrained controls using either the constrainLinear, constrainCircular, constrainRectangular or constrainElliptical properties. Major parts of the library have been reworked to support constrained dragging of controls on iOS devices. The implementation in AE 4 now allows dragging multiple controls at the same time on iOs devices. No changes to the syntax were necessary. You can simply set any of the constrain properties and have all of them react on the device.

New command aeScrollTo:

The command aeScrollTo has been introduced into animationEngine. This command allows to scroll a group or field in both x and y direction at the same time.

aeScrollTo pControl,pNewHScroll,pNewVScroll,pDuration,[pMethod]

the first parameter is a long reference to a group or field
pNewHscroll and pNewVScroll are the desired new values for the scroll of the control
pDuration is the time needed to reach the new scroll value in milliseconds
pMethod: the easing method used to calculate the transition or empty. Valid methods are: in,out,inOut,bounce or overshoot

Changes to aeEnterFrame and aeExitFrame:

Both messages are now being sent with an additional parameter that holds the command that called aeEnterFrame or aeExitFrame.

Specific Bug fixes:

In previous versions of animationEngine setting the constrainLinear of a control did not reset the other constraining properties. This could cause execution to halt with a recursion limit reached error.

The price for existing users is USD 55 / 33 pounds / 39 Euro. You can upgrade from any version of animationEngine or arcadeEngine.

If you bought a retail version of animationEngine (means that was not part of a special offer or bundle) after Sept. 30th 2010 you are entitled to a free upgrade. If you do not automagically receive a new registration code, please get in touch, quoting your purchase order number, so I can get you updated.

I am now officially putting on the party hat!

Cheers all.

Malte

From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 13:34:18 2011
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:34:18 -0600
Subject: Efficient Way To Check If Certain Characters Exist in Variable
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=fh95kvjkejbxPuEtrSAqHFpVgQe4qS3XJxyjx@mail.gmail.com>

What would be the most efficient way to check a variable and replace any of
the characters with empty if the character is not a alpha (upper or lower),
numeric (0-9) or a '-'?

The only way I can think of doing this is a repeat loop and checking the
value of each character and replacing with empty if not alpha, numeric or
'-'.

Any other suggestions for more efficient code?

Thanks,
Warren


From massung at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 13:40:26 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:40:26 -0700
Subject: Efficient Way To Check If Certain Characters Exist in Variable
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=fh95kvjkejbxPuEtrSAqHFpVgQe4qS3XJxyjx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=fh95kvjkejbxPuEtrSAqHFpVgQe4qS3XJxyjx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikd3r=wo_cnWYvFhqhXs3wUFX8puPT+DmHs4LXN@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com> wrote:

> What would be the most efficient way to check a variable and replace any of
> the characters with empty if the character is not a alpha (upper or lower),
> numeric (0-9) or a '-'?
>
> The only way I can think of doing this is a repeat loop and checking the
> value of each character and replacing with empty if not alpha, numeric or
> '-'.
>
> Any other suggestions for more efficient code?
>
>
Well, it depends on what your definition of "efficient" is. If you want a
1-liner:

put replaceText(tSource, "[^A-Za-z0-9\-]+", empty) into tDest

That's using regular expression. But that might be a lot less performance
(speed-wise) than doing it yourself in a loop:

repeat for each char c in tSource
   if c is in "abcdef...WXYZ0123456789-" then
      put c after tDest
   end if
end repeat

HTH,

Jeff M.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 19 13:37:54 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:37:54 -0800
Subject: The best way to embed a lot of pictures in an ios application
Message-ID: <4D372F82.6060103@fourthworld.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>>> the on-device shop limits the size of apps available trough it. the itunes
>>> shop does not.
>>
>> Is this noted on the AT&T site?
>>
>> I need a URL to an authoritative source so I can discuss the
>> implications with my client.
>
> I've come across this in the games arena as well.  I don't have a source for
> you, but I've heard the same thing -- 20MB limit on cell downloads.

I'll poke around and see what I can find.  I just can't go to my client 
with "I heard on the Internet that..."  ;)

If anyone here can turn up an authoritative link I'd be much obliged.

Thanks -

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From massung at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 13:48:47 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:48:47 -0700
Subject: The best way to embed a lot of pictures in an ios application
In-Reply-To: <4D372F82.6060103@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D372F82.6060103@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinGDwvoTC1wUUNHu56swVo0dF2FL9KZG4-rxuQE@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:

> Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>  Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>>  the on-device shop limits the size of apps available trough it. the
>>>> itunes
>>>> shop does not.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is this noted on the AT&T site?
>>>
>>> I need a URL to an authoritative source so I can discuss the
>>> implications with my client.
>>>
>>
>> I've come across this in the games arena as well.  I don't have a source
>> for
>> you, but I've heard the same thing -- 20MB limit on cell downloads.
>>
>
> I'll poke around and see what I can find.  I just can't go to my client
> with "I heard on the Internet that..."  ;)
>
> If anyone here can turn up an authoritative link I'd be much obliged.
>
>
While I understand what you'd like, you can just prove it to your client.
Don't be connected to a Wi-Fi network, startup up the AppStore, and try and
purchase a large app (or update one). I believe you can find one on iTunes -
I think it states the size of the app. Just find one > 20 MB in size.

This limitation isn't explicitly in writing, I believe, because it changes.
A year ago (or less) it was limited to 10 MB. Once Verizon starts pumping
out iPhones I'm sure the size will increase because it'll be a selling point
on both sides.

Jeff M.


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 13:50:01 2011
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:50:01 -0600
Subject: Efficient Way To Check If Certain Characters Exist in Variable
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikd3r=wo_cnWYvFhqhXs3wUFX8puPT+DmHs4LXN@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=fh95kvjkejbxPuEtrSAqHFpVgQe4qS3XJxyjx@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikd3r=wo_cnWYvFhqhXs3wUFX8puPT+DmHs4LXN@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimuia8G+tMHbgDd2Km_RsVOs-dN92YitoZ9og8-@mail.gmail.com>

Jeff,

Thanks for the suggestions!  I will use the replacetext and compare the
speed with the loop and see which is quicker.

Much appreciated!

Warren

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Jeff Massung <massung at gmail.com> wrote:

>  On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > What would be the most efficient way to check a variable and replace any
> of
> > the characters with empty if the character is not a alpha (upper or
> lower),
> > numeric (0-9) or a '-'?
> >
> > The only way I can think of doing this is a repeat loop and checking the
> > value of each character and replacing with empty if not alpha, numeric or
> > '-'.
> >
> > Any other suggestions for more efficient code?
> >
> >
> Well, it depends on what your definition of "efficient" is. If you want a
> 1-liner:
>
> put replaceText(tSource, "[^A-Za-z0-9\-]+", empty) into tDest
>
> That's using regular expression. But that might be a lot less performance
> (speed-wise) than doing it yourself in a loop:
>
> repeat for each char c in tSource
>   if c is in "abcdef...WXYZ0123456789-" then
>      put c after tDest
>   end if
> end repeat
>
> HTH,
>
> Jeff M.
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 14:16:23 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:16:23 +0200
Subject: PDF to JPEG
In-Reply-To: <012301cbb756$993726b0$cba57410$@LinkIt.Com>
References: <012301cbb756$993726b0$cba57410$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <4D373887.1090604@gmail.com>

On 01/18/2011 11:28 PM, Ray Horsley wrote:
> Anybody know of a way to convert a single PDF file (with multiple pages) to
> multiple JPEG files?
>
  I don't think this is possible in Livecode qua Livecode; you might be 
able to send a signal
to another program that has the capability you want from within LiveCode.

As far as I know PDF and Livecode don't really mix. I did, for what it 
is worth, manage to import
a PDF file as a text file, but that doesn't bring us nearer to any image 
formats.

If you have a Mac this might be some sort of help:

http://www.documentsnap.com/applescript-easily-convert-pdf-documents-to-jpg-or-png/


From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Wed Jan 19 14:32:22 2011
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:32:22 +0100
Subject: File Suffix
In-Reply-To: <4D36682A.000003.02352@CALS_BIG_PC>
Message-ID: <1jvczno.1nsnkza1r8a6tiM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Cal Horner <calhorner at xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> So, my question is "Who the H*** decided, in their little pea-brain, that
> they would break the convention

You're right, go back to the DOS naming convention 8+3
and the 640 memory barrier!

;->



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 14:32:47 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:32:47 -0700
Subject: Weird field behavior
Message-ID: <AANLkTinoPKgARW+ri-bPa7b8-K6okzRr8w4nsJwCT5zo@mail.gmail.com>

Found a strange behavior with a field, was wondering if someone can confirm.

Is there a line length limit in a field?  If so, what is it, so I know
whether to ignore this, or not.  Or if no limit, of course can't be ignored.

The problem is, with line wrap turned off, (or left on, with a line with no
spaces) once the line gets too long it poofs. Yet, checking the line length
shows it as still there, and more text can be added to the line which is
also counted.

With wrap turned on, the length of line that works is quite a bit longer
than without wrap, but the affect is the same.  Keep adding text to the
line, the scroll thumb adjusts itself based on the amount of text in the
field, then POOF, thumb size is back to the start again as if there is no
text in the field.  Yet the line length is still tracked correctly, and as
new text is added the thumb size adjusts again till the next reset point.

There is a stack here http://guidezone.info/Field Bug.livecode to test with.
Clear the data, then start adding data with the provided button. For me, on
windows 7 with line wrap off, I can hit the button 4 times before it goes
poof, for a length of 8400.

With word wrap on, I can hit the button 7 times ending at a line length of
14700 when things go wiggy.


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 14:33:34 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:33:34 -0700
Subject: Weird field behavior
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinoPKgARW+ri-bPa7b8-K6okzRr8w4nsJwCT5zo@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinoPKgARW+ri-bPa7b8-K6okzRr8w4nsJwCT5zo@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimKYpCy4dczaT4ta8LbMxO55GvwhTB-y873wVwz@mail.gmail.com>

oops, cut and paste the url, all the way to the end of livecode of course.
 Forgot, and named my file with a space.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Found a strange behavior with a field, was wondering if someone can
> confirm.
>
> Is there a line length limit in a field?  If so, what is it, so I know
> whether to ignore this, or not.  Or if no limit, of course can't be ignored.
>
> The problem is, with line wrap turned off, (or left on, with a line with no
> spaces) once the line gets too long it poofs. Yet, checking the line length
> shows it as still there, and more text can be added to the line which is
> also counted.
>
> With wrap turned on, the length of line that works is quite a bit longer
> than without wrap, but the affect is the same.  Keep adding text to the
> line, the scroll thumb adjusts itself based on the amount of text in the
> field, then POOF, thumb size is back to the start again as if there is no
> text in the field.  Yet the line length is still tracked correctly, and as
> new text is added the thumb size adjusts again till the next reset point.
>
> There is a stack here http://guidezone.info/Field Bug.livecode to test
> with. Clear the data, then start adding data with the provided button. For
> me, on windows 7 with line wrap off, I can hit the button 4 times before it
> goes poof, for a length of 8400.
>
> With word wrap on, I can hit the button 7 times ending at a line length of
> 14700 when things go wiggy.
>


From gbojsza at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 14:34:15 2011
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:34:15 -0700
Subject: Combining multiple pngs into a single png
Message-ID: <AANLkTikSFeGLsKx_D8vpNKYyBaEX4F-uPVf4b8dGmapq@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Is this possible to choose a folder that contains multiple pngs and create a
single png where each png in the folder is place right after the previous
one. The pngs would be centered to the first one and could either be
touching along the top/bottom edges or have a small space between them.

I thought of placing them in a scrollable window or field but getting a
single png with all of them showing has been the problem.

Has anybody tried something like this?

thanks,

Glen


From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Jan 19 14:46:48 2011
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:46:48 +0000
Subject: Weird field behavior
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinoPKgARW+ri-bPa7b8-K6okzRr8w4nsJwCT5zo@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinoPKgARW+ri-bPa7b8-K6okzRr8w4nsJwCT5zo@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-w51F56AB940B9F73295EF63EDF60@phx.gbl>




> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:32:47 -0700
> Subject: Weird field behavior
> From: bonnmike at gmail.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> 
> Found a strange behavior with a field, was wondering if someone can confirm.
> 
> Is there a line length limit in a field?  If so, what is it, so I know
> whether to ignore this, or not.  Or if no limit, of course can't be ignored.


Maximum length of a line in a field  - 65,536 characters storage. No more than 32,786 pixels wide for display
(from the userguide)
 		 	   		  

From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 14:49:41 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:49:41 -0700
Subject: Weird field behavior
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-w51F56AB940B9F73295EF63EDF60@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTinoPKgARW+ri-bPa7b8-K6okzRr8w4nsJwCT5zo@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY152-w51F56AB940B9F73295EF63EDF60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikYb0jriQm7WdemmFryGb8UYv=y4x9LkqkavOPp@mail.gmail.com>

Ah k. Then there is still a problem. The width with no linewrap most likely
is over the pixel width you point out, but with line wrap on it breaks for
me well before the char length limit, and as well if you keep adding chars
to the field, the process repeats itself.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:46 PM, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:32:47 -0700
> > Subject: Weird field behavior
> > From: bonnmike at gmail.com
> > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >
> > Found a strange behavior with a field, was wondering if someone can
> confirm.
> >
> > Is there a line length limit in a field?  If so, what is it, so I know
> > whether to ignore this, or not.  Or if no limit, of course can't be
> ignored.
>
>
> Maximum length of a line in a field  - 65,536 characters storage. No more
> than 32,786 pixels wide for display
> (from the userguide)
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Jan 19 15:05:52 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:05:52 -0800
Subject: Combining multiple pngs into a single png
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikSFeGLsKx_D8vpNKYyBaEX4F-uPVf4b8dGmapq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C95C8420.50577%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> Is this possible to choose a folder that contains multiple pngs and create a
> single png where each png in the folder is place right after the previous
> one. The pngs would be centered to the first one and could either be
> touching along the top/bottom edges or have a small space between them.
> 
> I thought of placing them in a scrollable window or field but getting a
> single png with all of them showing has been the problem.
> 
> Has anybody tried something like this?

I use a scrolling group that contains images (one for each PMG).  Are you
talking about taking a screenshot of all the PNGs together in the group?
Something like:
  import snapshot from rect (rect of grp imgGroup) of grp imgGroup

Also, I just tried a quick test and importing a snapshot works fine when
capturing a region that extends beyond the stack window, so if all you PNGs
don't fit in the window comfortably, you should be able to capture them
regardless.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Wed Jan 19 15:27:42 2011
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:27:42 +0100
Subject: On-Rev: authentication problems (Safari?)
Message-ID: <1jvd1in.2sg81kb3tm1bM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Recently, I went with authentication problems concerning On-Rev...

As well as the "On-Rev" destop app, as "cPanel"

The problem with the desktop app seems to be resolved
(and also, there are some alternatives)

The problem remains unresolved connecting to cPanel is impossible, as it
refuses my name/password.

I wrote to the tech support, and they told me that things worked for
them*! 

Usually, I go on the web with Safari... so I had an idea, and tested
Firefox, which is my second web browser: that worked!!!

So, the problem seems to lie into Safari...
I remembered that I had some problems with a Safari extension, Adblock,
that caused Safari to crash on opening a revlet.
I deactivated that extension -- with no luck ;-(

Also, I noticed some trouble with the password verification routine
within cPanel: in Safari that leaded to an "AJAX error" -- I don't know
if it is related to authentication problem.
And the password routine works like a charm in Firefox!

Mac OS X 10.6.5
Safari 5.0.3
Firefox 3.5.16


* besides that, they advised me to change my password, as I was still
using the one they gave me at start ;-)



From ray at linkit.com  Wed Jan 19 15:30:23 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:30:23 -0500
Subject: PDF to JPEG
In-Reply-To: <4D373887.1090604@gmail.com>
References: <012301cbb756$993726b0$cba57410$@LinkIt.Com>
	<4D373887.1090604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008601cbb817$b3861aa0$1a924fe0$@LinkIt.Com>

I've looked briefly at Roger Eller's suggestion:

 
http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Business/Document_Management_Tools/e_PDF_
PDF_To_Thumbnail_Converter.html

I'll try hooking into this via the shell function.  Hopefully that'll split
these up for me.

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software 

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richmond
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 2:16 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: PDF to JPEG

On 01/18/2011 11:28 PM, Ray Horsley wrote:
> Anybody know of a way to convert a single PDF file (with multiple 
> pages) to multiple JPEG files?
>
  I don't think this is possible in Livecode qua Livecode; you might be able
to send a signal to another program that has the capability you want from
within LiveCode.

As far as I know PDF and Livecode don't really mix. I did, for what it is
worth, manage to import a PDF file as a text file, but that doesn't bring us
nearer to any image formats.

If you have a Mac this might be some sort of help:

http://www.documentsnap.com/applescript-easily-convert-pdf-documents-to-jpg-
or-png/
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From gbojsza at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 15:41:02 2011
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:41:02 -0700
Subject: Combining multiple pngs into a single png
In-Reply-To: <C95C8420.50577%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <AANLkTikSFeGLsKx_D8vpNKYyBaEX4F-uPVf4b8dGmapq@mail.gmail.com>
	<C95C8420.50577%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=OfnP8USXKZqPmAWR=HdX+FSYpgF-eakQJf9rP@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Scott, I was doing only one rect (the rect of grp imgGroup).

Also, the size of grp imgGroup must be large enough to show all the images.
This is where the grp imgGroup can extend past the window.





On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Recently, Glen Bojsza wrote:
>
> > Is this possible to choose a folder that contains multiple pngs and
> create a
> > single png where each png in the folder is place right after the previous
> > one. The pngs would be centered to the first one and could either be
> > touching along the top/bottom edges or have a small space between them.
> >
> > I thought of placing them in a scrollable window or field but getting a
> > single png with all of them showing has been the problem.
> >
> > Has anybody tried something like this?
>
> I use a scrolling group that contains images (one for each PMG).  Are you
> talking about taking a screenshot of all the PNGs together in the group?
> Something like:
>  import snapshot from rect (rect of grp imgGroup) of grp imgGroup
>
> Also, I just tried a quick test and importing a snapshot works fine when
> capturing a region that extends beyond the stack window, so if all you PNGs
> don't fit in the window comfortably, you should be able to capture them
> regardless.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 15:52:37 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:52:37 +0100
Subject: DragDrop and the DragDestination
In-Reply-To: <4A36B82D-76EB-45BF-B4EC-D7539C8A4C63@twft.com>
References: <DD04DF60-79B8-4A21-A09C-5BEA7AE8CBA5@twft.com>
	<AANLkTinifRBhc73MH+LWNr+ickgSy60xJM-wuXCqmcby@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A36B82D-76EB-45BF-B4EC-D7539C8A4C63@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> I get problem loading page.

Hi Bob,

The link was a direct download of the stack.

Try to go on the download section of the site:

http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/

And download the experiment 19.


If you still have an issue, we will explore another way.


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jan 19 16:10:32 2011
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:10:32 +0100
Subject: [ANN] animationEngine 4.0
In-Reply-To: <2B5E74BE-5DEB-416F-8DB4-676E44201765@derbrill.de>
References: <2B5E74BE-5DEB-416F-8DB4-676E44201765@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <58760999-8236-43D7-9C8E-82D4894495CD@m-r-d.de>

Hi Malte,

where can i purchase the upgrade? I cannot it in the Rev store.

Regards,

Matthias

Am 19.01.2011 um 19:31 schrieb Malte Brill:

> Dear fellow Livecoders,
> 
> I am happy to announce the immediate availability of animationEngine 4.0
> 
> http://www.runrev.com/downloads/marketplace/animation_engine/4_0_0/animationengine4.zip
> 
> tiny URL for linewrap breaks: http://tinyurl.com/4zg9xc5
> 
> Product page: http://runrev.com/store/product/animation-engine-4-0-0/
> 
> Version 4 of animationEngine ensures compatibility with iOS devices and, as far as possible, compliance with Apples AppStore.
> 
> AppStore compliance:
> 
> We rewrote parts of AE, that could potentially cause applications using AE to be rejected. Everything inside AE behaves like a nice appstore citizen now.
> 
> Multitouch constrained dragging: 
> Previous versions of AE relied on mouse messages being sent to constrained controls using either the constrainLinear, constrainCircular, constrainRectangular or constrainElliptical properties. Major parts of the library have been reworked to support constrained dragging of controls on iOS devices. The implementation in AE 4 now allows dragging multiple controls at the same time on iOs devices. No changes to the syntax were necessary. You can simply set any of the constrain properties and have all of them react on the device.
> 
> New command aeScrollTo:
> 
> The command aeScrollTo has been introduced into animationEngine. This command allows to scroll a group or field in both x and y direction at the same time.
> 
> aeScrollTo pControl,pNewHScroll,pNewVScroll,pDuration,[pMethod]
> 
> the first parameter is a long reference to a group or field
> pNewHscroll and pNewVScroll are the desired new values for the scroll of the control
> pDuration is the time needed to reach the new scroll value in milliseconds
> pMethod: the easing method used to calculate the transition or empty. Valid methods are: in,out,inOut,bounce or overshoot
> 
> Changes to aeEnterFrame and aeExitFrame:
> 
> Both messages are now being sent with an additional parameter that holds the command that called aeEnterFrame or aeExitFrame.
> 
> Specific Bug fixes:
> 
> In previous versions of animationEngine setting the constrainLinear of a control did not reset the other constraining properties. This could cause execution to halt with a recursion limit reached error.
> 
> The price for existing users is USD 55 / 33 pounds / 39 Euro. You can upgrade from any version of animationEngine or arcadeEngine.
> 
> If you bought a retail version of animationEngine (means that was not part of a special offer or bundle) after Sept. 30th 2010 you are entitled to a free upgrade. If you do not automagically receive a new registration code, please get in touch, quoting your purchase order number, so I can get you updated.
> 
> I am now officially putting on the party hat!
> 
> Cheers all.
> 
> Malte
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From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Wed Jan 19 16:14:59 2011
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:14:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Progress bar
In-Reply-To: <1295374046389-3223646.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1295293490031-3221250.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1295357171694-3221324.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1295368409695-3223414.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1295369219821-3223451.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1295374046389-3223646.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1295471699437-3225453.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Steve,

Same with the scrollbar. If it's on another card or stack you need to
provide this info

i.e,        ...of scrollbar "sb1" of card "mycard" of stack "mystack"

-----
Andy Piddock


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
-- 
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Progress-bar-tp3221250p3225453.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 16:25:10 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:25:10 +0100
Subject: How do I get the contents of a scrollable group printed?
Message-ID: <AANLkTinwiRK2MNT3YO1Qd5s=WFnWH_4gcn_=A_=t1N2e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

This time a printing question!
In a card I have several images and fields grouped together and
grouped again with a vertical scrollbar.
The stacksize is small so with the scrollbar the 'invisible' contents
gets visible.
What is the best way to get the contents of the scrollable group printed?

I am thing of doing it this way:
Copy the group to a new card, resize the new card to the width and
height of the group, print card from rect of group, close card.

Is this the right way or is there a better (simpler) way to do this?


greetings,

William



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 16:29:44 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:29:44 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Data Grid Helper clones your DataGrids and supports the MC
	IDE
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=cjQV82nAW3FpO-dexKekwLWQUcb8O-+egn7ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=cjQV82nAW3FpO-dexKekwLWQUcb8O-+egn7ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimWh5vRvWyOh52XLfhkJFCidGgvPmvpNrcogp0e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 3:45 PM, zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you have not already tested DGH, a trial version free for 30 days
> is available here:
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=17:data-grid-helper-plugin&id=12:trial&Itemid=63
>
> We have also a quick start guide downloadable here:
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=13:data-grid-helper-quick-start-guide&id=12:trial&Itemid=63


Dear LiveCoder,

An update to let you know we have now a beautiful box, waiting for you
directly in the LiveCode Store.

You can reach it by following this link:
http://www.runrev.com/store/product/data-grid-helper-1-2-0/


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Jan 19 16:30:43 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:30:43 -0800
Subject: Combining multiple pngs into a single png
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=OfnP8USXKZqPmAWR=HdX+FSYpgF-eakQJf9rP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C95C9803.50598%scott@tactilemedia.com>

The cool thing about the syntax below is you can grab a screenshot from any
object or group of objects regardless of whether they fit in the window or
on the card.  If you group the group of PNGs, you can limit the visible
display of PNGs to whatever you want, but you can still snapshot the entire
set of PNGs by virtue of them being in a group.

So if your PNG group -- say the group named "catalog"-- is 1200 pixels wide,
and you place the catalog group inside another group -- say this group is
called "container" -- you can set the width of the container group to 400
pixels with a scrollbar, so the contents (catalog group) can be viewed by
scrolling.  When it comes time to create a snapshot, the following will
capture the entire catalog group even while it is masked off by the
container group:

 import snapshot from rect (rect of grp catalog) of grp catalog

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


Recently, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> Thanks Scott, I was doing only one rect (the rect of grp imgGroup).
> 
> Also, the size of grp imgGroup must be large enough to show all the images.
> This is where the grp imgGroup can extend past the window.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> 
>> Recently, Glen Bojsza wrote:
>> 
>>> Is this possible to choose a folder that contains multiple pngs and
>> create a
>>> single png where each png in the folder is place right after the previous
>>> one. The pngs would be centered to the first one and could either be
>>> touching along the top/bottom edges or have a small space between them.
>>> 
>>> I thought of placing them in a scrollable window or field but getting a
>>> single png with all of them showing has been the problem.
>>> 
>>> Has anybody tried something like this?
>> 
>> I use a scrolling group that contains images (one for each PMG).  Are you
>> talking about taking a screenshot of all the PNGs together in the group?
>> Something like:
>>  import snapshot from rect (rect of grp imgGroup) of grp imgGroup
>> 
>> Also, I just tried a quick test and importing a snapshot works fine when
>> capturing a region that extends beyond the stack window, so if all you PNGs
>> don't fit in the window comfortably, you should be able to capture them
>> regardless.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>> 
>> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 19 16:49:52 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:49:52 -0800
Subject: The best way to embed a lot of pictures in an ios application
In-Reply-To: <4D372C34.9080100@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D372C34.9080100@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <8046FDE7-71A7-4677-94F2-3488768CEFE9@twft.com>

Anytime I have tried to download anything over 20 megs and I am on 3g it tells me there is a limit of 20 megs and I have to dl from my computer and sync or else be on a wireless network. 

Bob


On Jan 19, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> 
>> the on-device shop limits the size of apps available trough it. the itunes shop does not.
> 
> Is this noted on the AT&T site?
> 
> I need a URL to an authoritative source so I can discuss the implications with my client.
> 
> TIA -
> 
>> On 19 Jan 2011, at 19:18, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> 
>>> Jeff Massung wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think it would depend on what you consider to be "large". Also keep in
>>>> mind that the number of images (and the size of your stack) will directly
>>>> impact any potential sales since AT&T limits 3G app downloads to 20 MB.
>>> 
>>> Is that in the fine print of the dev agreement?
>>> Where can we learn the details?
>>> 
>>> I have a client who's hoping to deliver something much larger than 20MB.
>>> 
>>> Wasn't the Wired app much larger?
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
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From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Wed Jan 19 16:50:23 2011
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:50:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: PDF to JPEG
In-Reply-To: <012301cbb756$993726b0$cba57410$@LinkIt.Com>
References: <012301cbb756$993726b0$cba57410$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <1295473823049-3225455.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Ray,

If Windows then no extra software is needed.

1) Open PDF

2) Go ? File ? Print

3) Change printer to ?Microsoft Office Document Image Writer? (most XP and
Vista computers will have this installed)

4) Bottom of page, tick box ?Print to File?

5) Click Properties, go to Advanced tab and change file path to where you
want the file saved, click OK

6) Click OK, when box for File Name comes up, name the file and add
extension (ie: .jpg) on the end.

7) Check location you saved the file to, there should be a .jpg image of
your .pdf document.



-----
Andy Piddock


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From ray at linkit.com  Wed Jan 19 18:05:24 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:05:24 -0500
Subject: PDF to JPEG
In-Reply-To: <1295473823049-3225455.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <012301cbb756$993726b0$cba57410$@LinkIt.Com>
	<1295473823049-3225455.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <000901cbb82d$5b3a0800$11ae1800$@LinkIt.Com>

Andy,

Thanks for these steps.  Unfortunately they don't work so well on Windows 7 (all I have installed is Microsoft XPS Document Writer) but in any event I really need something I can use in scripts.

Thanks,

Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of AndyP
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:50 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: PDF to JPEG


Hi Ray,

If Windows then no extra software is needed.

1) Open PDF

2) Go ? File ? Print

3) Change printer to ?Microsoft Office Document Image Writer? (most XP and Vista computers will have this installed)

4) Bottom of page, tick box ?Print to File?

5) Click Properties, go to Advanced tab and change file path to where you want the file saved, click OK

6) Click OK, when box for File Name comes up, name the file and add extension (ie: .jpg) on the end.

7) Check location you saved the file to, there should be a .jpg image of your .pdf document.



-----
Andy Piddock


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
--
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 19 18:28:42 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:28:42 -0800
Subject: DragDrop and the DragDestination
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DD04DF60-79B8-4A21-A09C-5BEA7AE8CBA5@twft.com>
	<AANLkTinifRBhc73MH+LWNr+ickgSy60xJM-wuXCqmcby@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A36B82D-76EB-45BF-B4EC-D7539C8A4C63@twft.com>
	<AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66F22C9A-FA82-4CC4-9011-76BD28F5D242@twft.com>

When I drag from the source DG to the destination DG nothing goes. In addition, I get the little gray circle with slash instead of the green plus when I drag. Yes I checked the checkbox to drag from one datagrid to the other. 

I will read through the scripts to see if I can glean any wisdom anyway. I am really interested in dragging a value from one column directly into another column and only affecting that cell of that column. 

I'll poke around some more this evening. As an aside and directed at no one, I think drag and drop should just be handled by the engine, but interceptable by the user, like normal LC messages. Having to create everything from the ground up is very un-lc-ish as I am beginning to like to say. Just an opinion. 

Bob


On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:52 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>> I get problem loading page.
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> The link was a direct download of the stack.
> 
> Try to go on the download section of the site:
> 
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/
> 
> And download the experiment 19.
> 
> 
> If you still have an issue, we will explore another way.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 19 18:36:07 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:36:07 -0800
Subject: DragDrop and the DragDestination
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DD04DF60-79B8-4A21-A09C-5BEA7AE8CBA5@twft.com>
	<AANLkTinifRBhc73MH+LWNr+ickgSy60xJM-wuXCqmcby@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A36B82D-76EB-45BF-B4EC-D7539C8A4C63@twft.com>
	<AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <892F6B93-6FA3-4411-900A-C0C13217CD1F@twft.com>

A little more info. The line 24 in the second data grid is throwing a runtime error. It looks like you are sending dgDragMove to something called the dgControl of the target. Is the button "Track Drag & drop" a parent script object?

Bob

send "dgDragMove pMouseH, pMouseV" to sDataGridA[the dgControl of the target]


On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:52 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>> I get problem loading page.
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> The link was a direct download of the stack.
> 
> Try to go on the download section of the site:
> 
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/
> 
> And download the experiment 19.
> 
> 
> If you still have an issue, we will explore another way.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 19 18:39:17 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:39:17 -0800
Subject: DragDrop and the DragDestination
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DD04DF60-79B8-4A21-A09C-5BEA7AE8CBA5@twft.com>
	<AANLkTinifRBhc73MH+LWNr+ickgSy60xJM-wuXCqmcby@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A36B82D-76EB-45BF-B4EC-D7539C8A4C63@twft.com>
	<AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2155C0CE-5CB6-4116-B636-F1B7EEDF111F@twft.com>

Okay looks like there is no such button as button "Track Drag & Drop" in your project.

Bob


On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:52 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>> I get problem loading page.
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> The link was a direct download of the stack.
> 
> Try to go on the download section of the site:
> 
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/
> 
> And download the experiment 19.
> 
> 
> If you still have an issue, we will explore another way.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
> 
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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Thu Jan 20 01:21:36 2011
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:21:36 +0100
Subject: PDF to JPEG
In-Reply-To: <000901cbb82d$5b3a0800$11ae1800$@LinkIt.Com>
References: <012301cbb756$993726b0$cba57410$@LinkIt.Com>
	<1295473823049-3225455.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<000901cbb82d$5b3a0800$11ae1800$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <9BFDCCF7-F465-4E87-A3FA-952E28352435@m-r-d.de>

Hi Ray,

you could use a 3rd party tool named ImageMagick. It is commandline based, is available for Mac OS X, Windows and Unix and can be used with the shell() function.
I used it in one of my apps to add a logo to images. Maybe you give it a try.

Regards,

Matthias
Am 20.01.2011 um 00:05 schrieb Ray Horsley:

> Andy,
> 
> Thanks for these steps.  Unfortunately they don't work so well on Windows 7 (all I have installed is Microsoft XPS Document Writer) but in any event I really need something I can use in scripts.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ray
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of AndyP
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:50 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: PDF to JPEG
> 
> 
> Hi Ray,
> 
> If Windows then no extra software is needed.
> 
> 1) Open PDF
> 
> 2) Go ? File ? Print
> 
> 3) Change printer to ?Microsoft Office Document Image Writer? (most XP and Vista computers will have this installed)
> 
> 4) Bottom of page, tick box ?Print to File?
> 
> 5) Click Properties, go to Advanced tab and change file path to where you want the file saved, click OK
> 
> 6) Click OK, when box for File Name comes up, name the file and add extension (ie: .jpg) on the end.
> 
> 7) Check location you saved the file to, there should be a .jpg image of your .pdf document.
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Andy Piddock
> 
> 
> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/PDF-to-JPEG-tp3224048p3225455.html
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From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Thu Jan 20 01:21:48 2011
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:21:48 +0100
Subject: The best way to embed a lot of pictures in an ios application
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=JQ2yMap4udv-rMay+ZmRk8TysQkkA1VjkgjPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B68BF2ED-E646-4B3A-B4AF-1A4549D60D6C@laposte.net>
	<AANLkTi=JQ2yMap4udv-rMay+ZmRk8TysQkkA1VjkgjPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2B7D814B-50DC-490C-B11A-1F5CEB5E93F5@laposte.net>


Le 19 janv. 2011 ? 17:51, Andre Garzia a ?crit :

> 
> Ludovic,
> 
> I think that if you store them in the stack, your stack will grow and it
> will take longer to launch which you want to avoid. Better to bundle all the
> images as files in the app bundle and load them on demand.
> 
> andre

Thanks.

So i need to put them in the iapp with the "copy files" command of the standalone builder ?

Ludovic


From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Jan 20 02:53:13 2011
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:53:13 +0100
Subject: [ANN] animationEngine 4.0
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1295460002.14361.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1295460002.14361.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EF72959C-B617-4E27-B21E-CFE032BBA1E1@derbrill.de>

Hi Matthias,

if you bought AE through the new store on RRs website, getting the update price is very easy. Please log into your account. It will prompt you that updates for your products are available. Choose the updates you want and add them to the basket.

If your purchase is older than the new RR store, you will receive a coupon code shortly, that will give you access to the upgrade price.

All the best,

Malte


> Hi Malte,
> 
> where can i purchase the upgrade? I cannot it in the Rev store.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias




From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu Jan 20 07:34:10 2011
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:34:10 +0100
Subject: Plugins
Message-ID: <2B28A8EF-AEF1-4D5A-8E6B-51566D3B0ACC@ezpzapps.com>

Is there a plugin tutorial stack or a web page that features making plugins?

My foggy memory seems to recall some some sort of demo on developing plugins.
Maybe it was from a west coast revcon?

Anybody know?

sims







From th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com  Thu Jan 20 08:01:40 2011
From: th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com (Thierry)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:01:40 +0100
Subject: Plugins
In-Reply-To: <2B28A8EF-AEF1-4D5A-8E6B-51566D3B0ACC@ezpzapps.com>
References: <2B28A8EF-AEF1-4D5A-8E6B-51566D3B0ACC@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <58B80488-CE11-4166-B78B-2EB3B41B4ADE@sunnyrevtalk.com>


Le 20 janv. 2011 ? 13:34, Jim Sims a ?crit :

> Is there a plugin tutorial stack or a web page that features making plugins?
> 
> My foggy memory seems to recall some some sort of demo on developing plugins.
> Maybe it was from a west coast revcon?
> 
> Anybody know?

Well, there is a revSample plug-in shipped with LiveCode.

Open it, and read the code, it's not really difficult and there is only a dozen
of handlers you can play with....

That's where I started with my first plugin.

HTH,

Thierry




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 08:05:58 2011
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:05:58 -0700
Subject: Plugins
In-Reply-To: <58B80488-CE11-4166-B78B-2EB3B41B4ADE@sunnyrevtalk.com>
References: <2B28A8EF-AEF1-4D5A-8E6B-51566D3B0ACC@ezpzapps.com>
	<58B80488-CE11-4166-B78B-2EB3B41B4ADE@sunnyrevtalk.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTime4MmtCjsT0FFU3gyxy8u9+S4n3aRTgwNNUdMB@mail.gmail.com>

Can also watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/user/ObleoProductions (the
one on plugins of course)

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Thierry <th.douez at sunnyrevtalk.com> wrote:

>
> Le 20 janv. 2011 ? 13:34, Jim Sims a ?crit :
>
> > Is there a plugin tutorial stack or a web page that features making
> plugins?
> >
> > My foggy memory seems to recall some some sort of demo on developing
> plugins.
> > Maybe it was from a west coast revcon?
> >
> > Anybody know?
>
> Well, there is a revSample plug-in shipped with LiveCode.
>
> Open it, and read the code, it's not really difficult and there is only a
> dozen
> of handlers you can play with....
>
> That's where I started with my first plugin.
>
> HTH,
>
> Thierry
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 20 10:06:49 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:06:49 -0800
Subject: Plugins
Message-ID: <4D384F89.9050704@fourthworld.com>

Jim Sims wrote:

> Is there a plugin tutorial stack or a web page that features making plugins?
>
> My foggy memory seems to recall some some sort of demo on developing plugins.
> Maybe it was from a west coast revcon?
>
> Anybody know?

Ideally a plugin is just a stack file dropped into your Plugins folder.

It truly needn't be anything more than that, but for reasons which elude 
me RunRev has created a set of custom properties and messages that 
mirror things the engine already provides (e.g. revLoadInfo["mode"] vs 
the engine's "style" stack property).

Thankfully their revExample plugin illustrates how to use those mirrored 
messages and properties effectively.

For many types of plugins you can just ignore the mirrored stuff and 
just drop any stack file into Plugins and have it accessible and working 
in just a few seconds.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu Jan 20 10:28:08 2011
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 16:28:08 +0100
Subject: Plugins
In-Reply-To: <4D384F89.9050704@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D384F89.9050704@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <96CCCEDE-E68D-4723-8716-A5ADE79DC18C@ezpzapps.com>

The revExample stack displays the messages that are sent and that seems to be all it does.

In the plugin settings I can add messages to the list of messages to be sent to the plugin. 

However, those settings are not saved - when I reopen that plugin it goes back to the original set of messages.

How does one set a default set of messages to be sent to a plugin?

sims





From pmbrig at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 11:21:22 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:21:22 -0500
Subject: umask
In-Reply-To: <FE6CB32C-9EB7-4FF1-8696-7B38D2659519@mac.com>
References: <AANLkTimC1Vn_ebNUhskJ=rreYjg=X5BFUjbY1cd1pjfM@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9473311-E57B-4E66-8E6D-B998C4BF1B0C@sunnyrevtalk.com>
	<4C55947E-F24B-4FA4-9EF6-BA3BFFC9DF38@mac.com>
	<AB7BA69F-6508-48C3-804F-CC0E272B3F04@sunnyrevtalk.com>
	<FE6CB32C-9EB7-4FF1-8696-7B38D2659519@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FEF16FD1-B55C-47BD-9B30-F9C8B7F907D6@gmail.com>

On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> For example the entry about the selectionChanged message claims that  
> it's not triggered by arrow keys, but it is.

Not on my machine -- MacBook, OSX 10.5.8, Rev Studio 4.0.0-gm-1, build  
950. Arrowkeys don't trigger selectionChanged. Maybe it's different in  
4.5?

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Thu Jan 20 12:18:20 2011
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:18:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: PDF to JPEG
In-Reply-To: <OF3BE7A059.AD26F0ED-ON8525781D.0052CDDE-8525781D.0053639B@sealedair.com>
References: <012301cbb756$993726b0$cba57410$@LinkIt.Com>
	<4D36DF1D.5070801@gmail.com>
	<002e01cbb7e2$7b1c5f60$71551e20$@LinkIt.Com>
	<OF3BE7A059.AD26F0ED-ON8525781D.0052CDDE-8525781D.0053639B@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <1295543900592-3228003.post@n4.nabble.com>


I don't think you will be able to do this from within LiveCode.

How about Imagemagick  http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php
http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php 

This is free to use and has command line options for convertion.

-----
Andy Piddock


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
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From ray at linkit.com  Thu Jan 20 13:51:52 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:51:52 -0500
Subject: PDF to JPEG
In-Reply-To: <1295543900592-3228003.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <012301cbb756$993726b0$cba57410$@LinkIt.Com>	<4D36DF1D.5070801@gmail.com>	<002e01cbb7e2$7b1c5f60$71551e20$@LinkIt.Com>	<OF3BE7A059.AD26F0ED-ON8525781D.0052CDDE-8525781D.0053639B@sealedair.com>
	<1295543900592-3228003.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <003b01cbb8d3$1a4daee0$4ee90ca0$@LinkIt.Com>

Andy,

Thanks for this suggestion.  Several other guys on the list also think this
is the best route.  I'm looking into ImageMagick now.

Ray

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I don't think you will be able to do this from within LiveCode.

How about Imagemagick  http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php
http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php 

This is free to use and has command line options for convertion.

-----
Andy Piddock


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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 20 14:12:25 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:12:25 -0600
Subject: umask
In-Reply-To: <FEF16FD1-B55C-47BD-9B30-F9C8B7F907D6@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimC1Vn_ebNUhskJ=rreYjg=X5BFUjbY1cd1pjfM@mail.gmail.com>	<A9473311-E57B-4E66-8E6D-B998C4BF1B0C@sunnyrevtalk.com>	<4C55947E-F24B-4FA4-9EF6-BA3BFFC9DF38@mac.com>	<AB7BA69F-6508-48C3-804F-CC0E272B3F04@sunnyrevtalk.com>	<FE6CB32C-9EB7-4FF1-8696-7B38D2659519@mac.com>
	<FEF16FD1-B55C-47BD-9B30-F9C8B7F907D6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D388919.20201@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/20/11 10:21 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
>
>> For example the entry about the selectionChanged message claims that
>> it's not triggered by arrow keys, but it is.
>
> Not on my machine -- MacBook, OSX 10.5.8, Rev Studio 4.0.0-gm-1, build
> 950. Arrowkeys don't trigger selectionChanged. Maybe it's different in 4.5?

The field needs to have focus first.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Thu Jan 20 14:13:35 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:13:35 +0000
Subject: Wireframe tools
Message-ID: <FF29A845-7030-4C16-9D82-B115DF3A4399@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

Hi folks,
Can anyone suggest options for collaborative wire-framing tools? I'm impressed with the trial version of http://balsamiq.com but are there alternatives I should consider (for 3 collaborators working remotely)?
Best,
Keith.. 


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 20 14:24:54 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:24:54 -0600
Subject: Plugins
In-Reply-To: <96CCCEDE-E68D-4723-8716-A5ADE79DC18C@ezpzapps.com>
References: <4D384F89.9050704@fourthworld.com>
	<96CCCEDE-E68D-4723-8716-A5ADE79DC18C@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <4D388C06.9080409@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/20/11 9:28 AM, Jim Sims wrote:
> The revExample stack displays the messages that are sent and that
> seems to be all it does.
>
> In the plugin settings I can add messages to the list of messages to
> be sent to the plugin.
>
> However, those settings are not saved - when I reopen that plugin it
> goes back to the original set of messages.
>
> How does one set a default set of messages to be sent to a plugin?

The purpose of the plugin-specific messages is to help keep the plugin 
from interfering with the standard message path. By implementing the 
"special" messages you don't need to insert handlers for messages that 
other stacks need to use. For example, if you want the plugin to know 
about all instances when a stack closes, put a "revCloseStack" handler 
in your plugin. LiveCode will send that message to all open plugins 
whenever a user stack closes. (You may already know this, but Richard 
wondered why those messages were there.)

Once you've added any specific handlers you want to use, save your 
stack, quit LiveCode, and drop your plugin stack into your plugins 
folder. Restart LiveCode. Open the Plugin Settings and select the 
handlers you've implemented. This puts a custom property into your 
plugin stack but I don't think it auto-saves the stack. It's been a 
while so I could be wrong.

If it doesn't, then save your stack manually (from the message box is 
okay). I think you need to relaunch again to load the saved version, and 
after that your plugin will catch any of the special messages and can 
respond to them.

If your plugin does not need to know about any of the actions in the 
list, don't write handlers for them and just ignore them. My custom 
plugins are mostly set to just be in the menu and open on demand.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Thu Jan 20 15:49:53 2011
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:49:53 -0500
Subject: PDF to JPEG
In-Reply-To: <003b01cbb8d3$1a4daee0$4ee90ca0$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <OF9D865096.A642541E-ON8525781E.00710EF9-8525781E.00726ED9@sealedair.com>

Ray Horsley wrote:
> Andy,
>
> Thanks for this suggestion.  Several other guys on the list also think
this
> is the best route.  I'm looking into ImageMagick now.
>
> Ray

And another command-line tool to try is ghostscript.
http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/

I used it a long time ago on WinXP (Ghostscript version 8.54) with a script
similar to this:

on convertPDF2JPEG
  -- put the path to GhostScript into tEXEpath
  -- put GIF or JPEG into tIMGformat
  -- put 300 into tIMGresolution
  -- put the path to a PDF into tSourcePDFfile
  -- put the path to your new image file into tTargetFile
  set the hideConsoleWindows to true -- eliminate CMD pop-up
  put tEXEpath && "-dPrinted -dQUIET -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=" & tIMGformat \
      && "-r" & tIMGresolution & "x" & tIMGresolution && "-sOutputFile="  &
quote \
      & tTargetFile & quote && quote & tSourcePDFfile & quote && "-c quit"
into shellcmd
  get shell(shellcmd)
end convertPDF2JPEG

~Roger





From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 20 16:23:40 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:23:40 -0800
Subject: DragDrop and the DragDestination
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DD04DF60-79B8-4A21-A09C-5BEA7AE8CBA5@twft.com>
	<AANLkTinifRBhc73MH+LWNr+ickgSy60xJM-wuXCqmcby@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A36B82D-76EB-45BF-B4EC-D7539C8A4C63@twft.com>
	<AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2B1F8BD9-7C52-4BB2-BC50-8B2EE0FE2A8D@twft.com>

Okay that was odd. I closed the Datagrid Helper window, turned off script debug mode, and drag and drop started working again! Wierd... Now it works with script debug mode on but I haven't opened the Datagrid Helper. More to follow...

Bob


On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:52 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>> I get problem loading page.
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> The link was a direct download of the stack.
> 
> Try to go on the download section of the site:
> 
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/
> 
> And download the experiment 19.
> 
> 
> If you still have an issue, we will explore another way.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 20 16:31:27 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:31:27 -0800
Subject: DragDrop and the DragDestination
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DD04DF60-79B8-4A21-A09C-5BEA7AE8CBA5@twft.com>
	<AANLkTinifRBhc73MH+LWNr+ickgSy60xJM-wuXCqmcby@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A36B82D-76EB-45BF-B4EC-D7539C8A4C63@twft.com>
	<AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D856639A-E271-48B4-8BE0-8A872790DE64@twft.com>

Okay hate to say it but it looks like Remo is throwing runtime errors that it ought not be throwing. If I quit Remo and restart LiveCode with PowerDebug instead everything seems to work fine. 

However this may have been some kind of aberration that righted itself and Remo is not to blame at all, I dunno. 

Bob


On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:52 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>> I get problem loading page.
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> The link was a direct download of the stack.
> 
> Try to go on the download section of the site:
> 
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/
> 
> And download the experiment 19.
> 
> 
> If you still have an issue, we will explore another way.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
> 
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From bvg at mac.com  Thu Jan 20 16:44:32 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:44:32 +0100
Subject: Live LiveCode Coding Event #7
Message-ID: <E98C91A1-F57D-47A6-B352-2BCC8906FCCB@mac.com>

Hello Guys

We're back, and we brought Topics:

First we got a newcomer. Rob will present "The basics of using MySQL in a LiveCode Application", which is an introduction to SQL in LC.
http://blog.livecode.tv/rob/

Bjoernke (me) will show "The multiple futures of BvG Docu, and why some of them never came to be". I will also talk about the current future plans regarding this free add-on to LC.
http://blog.livecode.tv/bvg/

After my show there'll be a surprise announcement, which has to do with charts, and of course we'll give away something again. This time, one luck winner gets the Take Control eBook (courtesy of TidBITS): "Take Control of Mac OS X Backups". So please visit their site: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/

FInally, David will take up his topic from last week, where he got slightly distracted by showing automatic menu creation via script parsing. He wants to show more in a similar vein, especially: "Drag and Drop Style sheets for LiveCode controls"
http://blog.livecode.tv/david/

The show is on Saturday at these times:
Zurich: 20:00
Buenos Aires: 16:00
New York:  14:00 
San Francisco: 11:00
Sydney: 06:00

Make sure to use ChatRev during the happening, otherwise you might miss when you'll need to change to the other streams:
http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
or:
go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"

If you want to get private, regular notification of this event, please subscribe to the rss feed of the blog (about 2 updates per week):
feed://livecode.tv/feed/

Cheers
Bjoernke



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 17:40:17 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:40:17 +0100
Subject: DragDrop and the DragDestination
In-Reply-To: <D856639A-E271-48B4-8BE0-8A872790DE64@twft.com>
References: <DD04DF60-79B8-4A21-A09C-5BEA7AE8CBA5@twft.com>
	<AANLkTinifRBhc73MH+LWNr+ickgSy60xJM-wuXCqmcby@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A36B82D-76EB-45BF-B4EC-D7539C8A4C63@twft.com>
	<AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>
	<D856639A-E271-48B4-8BE0-8A872790DE64@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=BTVf8qaAM5EyT25OyxdLThBeBydqTrWkkjLYg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> Okay hate to say it but it looks like Remo is throwing runtime errors that it ought not be throwing. If I quit Remo and restart LiveCode with PowerDebug instead everything seems to work fine.
>
> However this may have been some kind of aberration that righted itself and Remo is not to blame at all, I dunno.

Oh, I understand now why I could not reproduce this. I'm not using
Remo. I was on the issue, so thanks for the update.


You're right,

The

send "dgDragMove pMouseH, pMouseV" to sDataGridA[the dgControl of the target]

is indeed located in the "Track Drag & Drop" parent script of the
datagrid engine.


After more test, I'm not fully satisfy by the idea implements in the experiment:
using the dgTrackDragReorder property in the destination datagrid for
scrolling the dg during the dragMove, and replacing a
value in a column by using the DragReorderDrop event of the datagrid messages.

Copying a value in the right line is not accurate and the dragaction
is broken after a drop outside a droppable area.

Another way could consist to use the dgVScroll property for scrolling
the datagrid.

Will rework this experiment later.


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 20 18:05:40 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:05:40 -0800
Subject: DragDrop and the DragDestination
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=BTVf8qaAM5EyT25OyxdLThBeBydqTrWkkjLYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DD04DF60-79B8-4A21-A09C-5BEA7AE8CBA5@twft.com>
	<AANLkTinifRBhc73MH+LWNr+ickgSy60xJM-wuXCqmcby@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A36B82D-76EB-45BF-B4EC-D7539C8A4C63@twft.com>
	<AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>
	<D856639A-E271-48B4-8BE0-8A872790DE64@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=BTVf8qaAM5EyT25OyxdLThBeBydqTrWkkjLYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D3FEC33-7CF0-475D-8E78-F7ACBF7A6DD9@twft.com>

Well I've decided to forgo drag and drop and instead put to and from arrow buttons between the data grids. Drag and drop would have been cool, but I have stalled on getting things to work the way it seems they should, and when you mentioned scrolling during a drag and drop, I thought to myself, this is way to complicated a thing to try and do just to get a value from one list to another. 

Bob


On Jan 20, 2011, at 2:40 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>> Okay hate to say it but it looks like Remo is throwing runtime errors that it ought not be throwing. If I quit Remo and restart LiveCode with PowerDebug instead everything seems to work fine.
>> 
>> However this may have been some kind of aberration that righted itself and Remo is not to blame at all, I dunno.
> 
> Oh, I understand now why I could not reproduce this. I'm not using
> Remo. I was on the issue, so thanks for the update.
> 
> 
> You're right,
> 
> The
> 
> send "dgDragMove pMouseH, pMouseV" to sDataGridA[the dgControl of the target]
> 
> is indeed located in the "Track Drag & Drop" parent script of the
> datagrid engine.
> 
> 
> After more test, I'm not fully satisfy by the idea implements in the experiment:
> using the dgTrackDragReorder property in the destination datagrid for
> scrolling the dg during the dragMove, and replacing a
> value in a column by using the DragReorderDrop event of the datagrid messages.
> 
> Copying a value in the right line is not accurate and the dragaction
> is broken after a drop outside a droppable area.
> 
> Another way could consist to use the dgVScroll property for scrolling
> the datagrid.
> 
> Will rework this experiment later.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
> 
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 18:43:46 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:43:46 +0100
Subject: DragDrop and the DragDestination
In-Reply-To: <8D3FEC33-7CF0-475D-8E78-F7ACBF7A6DD9@twft.com>
References: <DD04DF60-79B8-4A21-A09C-5BEA7AE8CBA5@twft.com>
	<AANLkTinifRBhc73MH+LWNr+ickgSy60xJM-wuXCqmcby@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A36B82D-76EB-45BF-B4EC-D7539C8A4C63@twft.com>
	<AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>
	<D856639A-E271-48B4-8BE0-8A872790DE64@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=BTVf8qaAM5EyT25OyxdLThBeBydqTrWkkjLYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D3FEC33-7CF0-475D-8E78-F7ACBF7A6DD9@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+a0zgDG1nbBz6vFBi5wkTb1KmFqiVSe_fGyi2@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> Well I've decided to forgo drag and drop and instead put to and from arrow buttons between the data grids. Drag and drop would have been cool, but I have stalled on getting things to work the way it seems they should, and when you mentioned scrolling during a drag and drop, I thought to myself, this is way to complicated a thing to try and do just to get a value from one list to another.

Hm, it depends of your need.

By scrolling the list during the drag & drop, I thought to something
near how the reorder capability of a datagrid behave, when you trying
to place a line outside the visible lines.

Now, if you want simply dropping a value in the visible lines of a
grid, you should not have to scroll the lines.

Basically, you need to know:

1. The number of the dropped line:
put the dgLine of the dgDataControl of the target into tTheLine

2. The name of the dropped column
put the dgColumn of the dgDataControl of the target into tTheColumn


And with this two informations you will be able to change a value of a
cell by the dragData value:

SetDataOfLine tTheLine, tTheColumn, line 2 of tTheDragData


Assuming that the first line of the dragData contains the datagrid
source name, your final dragDrop handler could be:

on dragDrop
   local tTheLine, tTheColumn, tTheDragData

   put the dgLine of the dgDataControl of the target into tTheLine
   put the dgColumn of the dgDataControl of the target into tTheColumn

   put the dragData["private"] into tTheDragData

   if (line 1 of tTheDragData is "Datagrid 1") then
      SetDataOfLine tTheLine, tTheColumn, line 2 of tTheDragData
      send "RefreshList" to me in 0 secs
   end if

end dragDrop

Maybe this handler is more appropriate to your needs?


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Jan 20 20:25:30 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:25:30 -0800
Subject: DragDrop and the DragDestination
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=+a0zgDG1nbBz6vFBi5wkTb1KmFqiVSe_fGyi2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DD04DF60-79B8-4A21-A09C-5BEA7AE8CBA5@twft.com>
	<AANLkTinifRBhc73MH+LWNr+ickgSy60xJM-wuXCqmcby@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A36B82D-76EB-45BF-B4EC-D7539C8A4C63@twft.com>
	<AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>
	<D856639A-E271-48B4-8BE0-8A872790DE64@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=BTVf8qaAM5EyT25OyxdLThBeBydqTrWkkjLYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D3FEC33-7CF0-475D-8E78-F7ACBF7A6DD9@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=+a0zgDG1nbBz6vFBi5wkTb1KmFqiVSe_fGyi2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568D3E03-92C7-4329-A379-E05DA1073308@twft.com>

Well I don't want to take a lot of anyone's time anymore. I thought it would be a simple matter to get the value of a cell in one dataGrid and put it into the cell of another, but this is proving to be a beatch. 

In your experiment 19, you use setDataOfLine to modify the value in the color column in the row dropped on to. Okay I get it, but since I am trying to put the value into the first empty cell in that column I am using setDataOfIndex because the cell may not be visible, should be no problem. 

But here's the problem: The destination data grid starts out empty, so all my calls to the index of anything is going to be zero. Even if I fudge the index to be one, if there is no objects for line 1, I cannot set the dataOfAnything. 

In retrospect, I think the way a datagrid should have been implemented is, there should ALWAYS be objects replicated for as many rows as are visible. This way, I could get and set values for any visible line without having to worry about this gotcha. I can see though that if someone scrolled the data grid, you would be faced with having to add more rows, and then would you delete them if the user scrolled up? 

Maybe the solution would be to have at least one empty row at the bottom of the datagrid so there would be objects to work with. Or else, the data grid api could be modified so that if I set the dataOfIndex or dataOfLine larger than dgNumberOfLines, it would insert as many blank lines as needed to get me there. Food for thought. 

I think what I will do, is instead of setting dgText to empty when I want to clear the datagrid, I will set the contents to a tab delimited list of empty lines for as many rows as are displayed. That will get around this issue for now. 

I hope people see my issue. It is like having a spreadsheet that constantly threw errors when I used an empty cell as a reference, simply because there was nothing in it. 

Bob


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 20:59:16 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:59:16 +0100
Subject: DragDrop and the DragDestination
In-Reply-To: <568D3E03-92C7-4329-A379-E05DA1073308@twft.com>
References: <DD04DF60-79B8-4A21-A09C-5BEA7AE8CBA5@twft.com>
	<AANLkTinifRBhc73MH+LWNr+ickgSy60xJM-wuXCqmcby@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A36B82D-76EB-45BF-B4EC-D7539C8A4C63@twft.com>
	<AANLkTikdrHPyg-1-t9NPru47cO6vnh3yWsGGX2j8=Y_0@mail.gmail.com>
	<D856639A-E271-48B4-8BE0-8A872790DE64@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=BTVf8qaAM5EyT25OyxdLThBeBydqTrWkkjLYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D3FEC33-7CF0-475D-8E78-F7ACBF7A6DD9@twft.com>
	<AANLkTi=+a0zgDG1nbBz6vFBi5wkTb1KmFqiVSe_fGyi2@mail.gmail.com>
	<568D3E03-92C7-4329-A379-E05DA1073308@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikVsK6b61wk0_eUG9Shie-YKwoBXkfAdKF8ZeU2@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> Well I don't want to take a lot of anyone's time anymore. I thought it would be a simple matter to get the value of a cell in one dataGrid and put it into the cell of another, but this is proving to be a beatch.
>
> In your experiment 19, you use setDataOfLine to modify the value in the color column in the row dropped on to. Okay I get it, but since I am trying to put the value into the first empty cell in that column I am using setDataOfIndex because the cell may not be visible, should be no problem.
>
> But here's the problem: The destination data grid starts out empty, so all my calls to the index of anything is going to be zero. Even if I fudge the index to be one, if there is no objects for line 1, I cannot set the dataOfAnything.
>
> In retrospect, I think the way a datagrid should have been implemented is, there should ALWAYS be objects replicated for as many rows as are visible. This way, I could get and set values for any visible line without having to worry about this gotcha. I can see though that if someone scrolled the data grid, you would be faced with having to add more rows, and then would you delete them if the user scrolled up?
>
> Maybe the solution would be to have at least one empty row at the bottom of the datagrid so there would be objects to work with. Or else, the data grid api could be modified so that if I set the dataOfIndex or dataOfLine larger than dgNumberOfLines, it would insert as many blank lines as needed to get me there. Food for thought.
>
> I think what I will do, is instead of setting dgText to empty when I want to clear the datagrid, I will set the contents to a tab delimited list of empty lines for as many rows as are displayed. That will get around this issue for now.
>
> I hope people see my issue. It is like having a spreadsheet that constantly threw errors when I used an empty cell as a reference, simply because there was nothing in it.

Bob,

on dragMove
   set the dragaction to "move"

   if (the dgDataControl of the target is empty) then
      addData ## Add a data line on the fly if the line not existing
   end if
end dragMove

on dragDrop
   local tTheLine, tTheColumn

   if (the dgDataControl of the target is empty) then pass dragDrop

   put the dgLine of the dgDataControl of the target into tTheLine
   put the dgColumn of the dgDataControl of the target into tTheColumn

   put the dragData["private"] into tTheDragData

   if (line 1 of tTheDragData is "Datagrid 1") then
      SetDataOfLine tTheLine, tTheColumn, line 2 of tTheDragData
      send "RefreshList" to me in 0 secs
   end if

end dragDrop

Some explanations:

1. In the dragMove, the lines are created on the fly if the
dgDataControl of the target is empty (so there is no line of data
under the mouse) So dropping a value in a cell is allowed with no
error.

2. In dragDrop, a test is added:
if (the dgDataControl of the target is empty) then pass dragDrop

No more error should occur if the datagrid is empty


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 00:05:15 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:05:15 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>

UPDATE: Something is working but makes no sense.

Found a few terminal screen ideas but they are outside of Livecode. No good.
Found a few applescript examples but would rather keep this crossplatform if possible and a LC to OSC solution would work on iOS but applescript would not. Not best but may have to go this route.

Found a few softwares that access the USB modem (not FTDI serial emulation) as serial which leads me to believe LC can still do this even with the change from software emulation of a serial port to the hardware emulation of a serial port. So I looked again at Sarah's serialTest stack.

I had to manually add the /dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 and /dev/cu.usbmodem1a21 to the popup menu. Then find replace driver with file in five places in the stack. Now most of the other solutions use the tty but two use the cu so I tested both. Major hang and LC not responding in Force Quit Window. 

Command period no good.
Esc no good.
Force quit. quits but no good and driver may still be open.

Unplug Arduino Uno and plug it back in. HUH Serial Input Shows Up In Field !!!!!! Beach ball of almost death goes away. Also port is now closed I think. Also Arduino Tx led not lighting anymore - should be though. Wait replug Arduino rest button on Arduino and serial Tx led is working again. But no longer connected to LC. Try again. Open cu port and beach ball of almost death shows up - LC not responding in Force Quit Window - Unplug Arduino and field fills up with serial data. THe data is a bunch of 1 and 0 based on blinking led.

SO this seems to say it is connecting but not communicating well. Not knowing enough about serial commands I am not sure what is causing the hang and not responding??? They are both set to 9600. I read somewhere that the trailing bit is or should be ignored.

Is there another way to connect via message box with out clutter from other settings ? Any ideas on what the culprit is here?

Thanks for staying with me on this one.


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Jacque-
> 
> Saturday, January 15, 2011, 7:31:30 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> There's no USB support per se, so if the device doesn't present itself
>> as a serial port device it won't work.
> 
>> The path you use when you open a serial port as a file is the same one
>> you'd use in shell -- use the "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" path you 
>> mentioned. Also, see if you can talk to it in shell just as a test.
> 
> That should work then, since the Arduino driver has always presented
> itself as a serial port.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Jan 21 00:37:12 2011
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:37:12 -0600
Subject: File Suffix
In-Reply-To: <4D36682A.000003.02352@CALS_BIG_PC>
Message-ID: <C95E77A8.8010B%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> So, my question is "Who the H*** decided, in their little pea-brain, that
> they would break the convention (that has been around since Pontius was a
> Pilot) of a filename, a period (a full-stop for all you commonwealth people)
> and then finally a three character suffix."?
> 
> Don't you think that this git should be taken out and tarred and feathered?

Well, they certainly aren't the first to break this convention:

.html  (HTML Pages)
.docx, .xlsx, .pptx (Microsoft Office Documents)
.torrent (Bittorrent)
.curl (CURL)
.ooutline (OmniOutliner Documents)
.styk, .stykz (Stykz Documents)

etc...

Just FYI,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/





From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 00:48:32 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:48:32 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
Message-ID: <ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>

It seems if I set the EOL to CRLF things work partly. i.e. The numbers show up in the field BUT the script keeps looping and will not stop causing the beach ball.

Sarah's code:
on readPort
  if the hilite of btn "Port open" = true then
    
    if recEOL is "empty" then resetEOL
    
    put the label of btn "Port" into thePort
    if the hilite of btn "OS X" then
      read from file thePort until recEOL
    else
      read from file thePort until recEOL
    end if
    if it is not empty then put it after fld "recField"
    if last char of fld "recField" <> cr then put cr after fld "recField"
    send readPort to me in 5 ticks
  end if
end readPort



-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> UPDATE: Something is working but makes no sense.
> 
> Found a few terminal screen ideas but they are outside of Livecode. No good.
> Found a few applescript examples but would rather keep this crossplatform if possible and a LC to OSC solution would work on iOS but applescript would not. Not best but may have to go this route.
> 
> Found a few softwares that access the USB modem (not FTDI serial emulation) as serial which leads me to believe LC can still do this even with the change from software emulation of a serial port to the hardware emulation of a serial port. So I looked again at Sarah's serialTest stack.
> 
> I had to manually add the /dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 and /dev/cu.usbmodem1a21 to the popup menu. Then find replace driver with file in five places in the stack. Now most of the other solutions use the tty but two use the cu so I tested both. Major hang and LC not responding in Force Quit Window. 
> 
> Command period no good.
> Esc no good.
> Force quit. quits but no good and driver may still be open.
> 
> Unplug Arduino Uno and plug it back in. HUH Serial Input Shows Up In Field !!!!!! Beach ball of almost death goes away. Also port is now closed I think. Also Arduino Tx led not lighting anymore - should be though. Wait replug Arduino rest button on Arduino and serial Tx led is working again. But no longer connected to LC. Try again. Open cu port and beach ball of almost death shows up - LC not responding in Force Quit Window - Unplug Arduino and field fills up with serial data. THe data is a bunch of 1 and 0 based on blinking led.
> 
> SO this seems to say it is connecting but not communicating well. Not knowing enough about serial commands I am not sure what is causing the hang and not responding??? They are both set to 9600. I read somewhere that the trailing bit is or should be ignored.
> 
> Is there another way to connect via message box with out clutter from other settings ? Any ideas on what the culprit is here?
> 
> Thanks for staying with me on this one.
> 
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
>> Jacque-
>> 
>> Saturday, January 15, 2011, 7:31:30 PM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> There's no USB support per se, so if the device doesn't present itself
>>> as a serial port device it won't work.
>> 
>>> The path you use when you open a serial port as a file is the same one
>>> you'd use in shell -- use the "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" path you 
>>> mentioned. Also, see if you can talk to it in shell just as a test.
>> 
>> That should work then, since the Arduino driver has always presented
>> itself as a serial port.
>> 
>> -- 
>> -Mark Wieder
>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 01:12:39 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:12:39 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
Message-ID: <335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>

OK well I can read the data from the USB Serial Modem -- but -- after it is done the app hangs. 

So I can open the port and then read the port and I think close the port but the system hangs.

HELP.... ??
-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> It seems if I set the EOL to CRLF things work partly. i.e. The numbers show up in the field BUT the script keeps looping and will not stop causing the beach ball.
> 
> Sarah's code:
> on readPort
>  if the hilite of btn "Port open" = true then
> 
>    if recEOL is "empty" then resetEOL
> 
>    put the label of btn "Port" into thePort
>    if the hilite of btn "OS X" then
>      read from file thePort until recEOL
>    else
>      read from file thePort until recEOL
>    end if
>    if it is not empty then put it after fld "recField"
>    if last char of fld "recField" <> cr then put cr after fld "recField"
>    send readPort to me in 5 ticks
>  end if
> end readPort
> 
> 
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> UPDATE: Something is working but makes no sense.
>> 
>> Found a few terminal screen ideas but they are outside of Livecode. No good.
>> Found a few applescript examples but would rather keep this crossplatform if possible and a LC to OSC solution would work on iOS but applescript would not. Not best but may have to go this route.
>> 
>> Found a few softwares that access the USB modem (not FTDI serial emulation) as serial which leads me to believe LC can still do this even with the change from software emulation of a serial port to the hardware emulation of a serial port. So I looked again at Sarah's serialTest stack.
>> 
>> I had to manually add the /dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 and /dev/cu.usbmodem1a21 to the popup menu. Then find replace driver with file in five places in the stack. Now most of the other solutions use the tty but two use the cu so I tested both. Major hang and LC not responding in Force Quit Window. 
>> 
>> Command period no good.
>> Esc no good.
>> Force quit. quits but no good and driver may still be open.
>> 
>> Unplug Arduino Uno and plug it back in. HUH Serial Input Shows Up In Field !!!!!! Beach ball of almost death goes away. Also port is now closed I think. Also Arduino Tx led not lighting anymore - should be though. Wait replug Arduino rest button on Arduino and serial Tx led is working again. But no longer connected to LC. Try again. Open cu port and beach ball of almost death shows up - LC not responding in Force Quit Window - Unplug Arduino and field fills up with serial data. THe data is a bunch of 1 and 0 based on blinking led.
>> 
>> SO this seems to say it is connecting but not communicating well. Not knowing enough about serial commands I am not sure what is causing the hang and not responding??? They are both set to 9600. I read somewhere that the trailing bit is or should be ignored.
>> 
>> Is there another way to connect via message box with out clutter from other settings ? Any ideas on what the culprit is here?
>> 
>> Thanks for staying with me on this one.
>> 
>> 
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>> 
>> On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> 
>>> Jacque-
>>> 
>>> Saturday, January 15, 2011, 7:31:30 PM, you wrote:
>>> 
>>>> There's no USB support per se, so if the device doesn't present itself
>>>> as a serial port device it won't work.
>>> 
>>>> The path you use when you open a serial port as a file is the same one
>>>> you'd use in shell -- use the "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" path you 
>>>> mentioned. Also, see if you can talk to it in shell just as a test.
>>> 
>>> That should work then, since the Arduino driver has always presented
>>> itself as a serial port.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> -Mark Wieder
>>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>> 
>> 
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Jan 21 01:15:28 2011
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:15:28 +0100
Subject: Plugins
In-Reply-To: <4D388C06.9080409@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4D384F89.9050704@fourthworld.com>
	<96CCCEDE-E68D-4723-8716-A5ADE79DC18C@ezpzapps.com>
	<4D388C06.9080409@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <376545DD-16BC-45CC-B008-5BAD001D1E5D@ezpzapps.com>

Thank you all, or y'all if appropriate, for the tips.

On Jan 20, 2011, at 8:24 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

<snip>

> The purpose of the plugin-specific messages is to help keep the plugin from interfering with the standard message path. By implementing the "special" messages you don't need to insert handlers for messages that other stacks need to use. For example, if you want the plugin to know about all instances when a stack closes, put a "revCloseStack" handler in your plugin. LiveCode will send that message to all open plugins whenever a user stack closes. (You may already know this, but Richard wondered why those messages were there.)

I was guessing that was the reason, in my own intuitive, vague way  ;-)

There's some discussion on that and more, going back to 2003 in the List Archives (Subject: Re: Where Can I Find Details On PlugIns?) . The Archives are my friends and extra brain.  Very helpful stuff in them.

<snip>

> If your plugin does not need to know about any of the actions in the list, don't write handlers for them and just ignore them. My custom plugins are mostly set to just be in the menu and open on demand.

After reading the Archives I'm thinking that is the way to proceed for what I want to do. A "revCloseStack" (good guess!) might be handy but I can get the job done in other ways. 

Ciao, y'all.
sims


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 01:19:46 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:19:46 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>

Actually, as long as data is coming from the Arduino the app works. The data comes in and fills the field. But after the data stops being sent the system hangs. Until I push the button on the Arduino to send more data in which case the beach ball goes away and the new data gets received again.

It's like as long as data keeps everything is fine. I can even close the port in the middle of getting data but If it gets to the end of the current stream the system hangs and I can't even close the port. I put code in to close the port after data stops and that is working I think but the system still hangs like it's waiting for more.


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> OK well I can read the data from the USB Serial Modem -- but -- after it is done the app hangs. 
> 
> So I can open the port and then read the port and I think close the port but the system hangs.
> 
> HELP.... ??
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> It seems if I set the EOL to CRLF things work partly. i.e. The numbers show up in the field BUT the script keeps looping and will not stop causing the beach ball.
>> 
>> Sarah's code:
>> on readPort
>> if the hilite of btn "Port open" = true then
>> 
>>   if recEOL is "empty" then resetEOL
>> 
>>   put the label of btn "Port" into thePort
>>   if the hilite of btn "OS X" then
>>     read from file thePort until recEOL
>>   else
>>     read from file thePort until recEOL
>>   end if
>>   if it is not empty then put it after fld "recField"
>>   if last char of fld "recField" <> cr then put cr after fld "recField"
>>   send readPort to me in 5 ticks
>> end if
>> end readPort
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>> 
>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> 
>>> UPDATE: Something is working but makes no sense.
>>> 
>>> Found a few terminal screen ideas but they are outside of Livecode. No good.
>>> Found a few applescript examples but would rather keep this crossplatform if possible and a LC to OSC solution would work on iOS but applescript would not. Not best but may have to go this route.
>>> 
>>> Found a few softwares that access the USB modem (not FTDI serial emulation) as serial which leads me to believe LC can still do this even with the change from software emulation of a serial port to the hardware emulation of a serial port. So I looked again at Sarah's serialTest stack.
>>> 
>>> I had to manually add the /dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 and /dev/cu.usbmodem1a21 to the popup menu. Then find replace driver with file in five places in the stack. Now most of the other solutions use the tty but two use the cu so I tested both. Major hang and LC not responding in Force Quit Window. 
>>> 
>>> Command period no good.
>>> Esc no good.
>>> Force quit. quits but no good and driver may still be open.
>>> 
>>> Unplug Arduino Uno and plug it back in. HUH Serial Input Shows Up In Field !!!!!! Beach ball of almost death goes away. Also port is now closed I think. Also Arduino Tx led not lighting anymore - should be though. Wait replug Arduino rest button on Arduino and serial Tx led is working again. But no longer connected to LC. Try again. Open cu port and beach ball of almost death shows up - LC not responding in Force Quit Window - Unplug Arduino and field fills up with serial data. THe data is a bunch of 1 and 0 based on blinking led.
>>> 
>>> SO this seems to say it is connecting but not communicating well. Not knowing enough about serial commands I am not sure what is causing the hang and not responding??? They are both set to 9600. I read somewhere that the trailing bit is or should be ignored.
>>> 
>>> Is there another way to connect via message box with out clutter from other settings ? Any ideas on what the culprit is here?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for staying with me on this one.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Jacque-
>>>> 
>>>> Saturday, January 15, 2011, 7:31:30 PM, you wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> There's no USB support per se, so if the device doesn't present itself
>>>>> as a serial port device it won't work.
>>>> 
>>>>> The path you use when you open a serial port as a file is the same one
>>>>> you'd use in shell -- use the "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" path you 
>>>>> mentioned. Also, see if you can talk to it in shell just as a test.
>>>> 
>>>> That should work then, since the Arduino driver has always presented
>>>> itself as a serial port.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> -Mark Wieder
>>>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 06:04:31 2011
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:04:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Move many buttons all at same time
Message-ID: <1295607871260-3229365.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi,

I'm trying to move some buttons all at the same time but I can't...

Only I get to move one after one.

on mouseUp
   set itemdel to tab
   set the lockMoves to true
   repeat for each line tLinea in fld "f_punts"
      put item 2 of tLinea into tObjecte
      put value(item 1 of tLinea) into tPosicio

      send "ElementMove" && value(tObjecte) & comma & value(tPosicio) to me
in 0 ticks
   end repeat
   set the lockMoves to false

end mouseUp

on ElementMove pObject, pLocationX, pLocationY
   move button pObject of stack "s_tactiques_futbol" to
pLocationX,pLocationY
end ElementMove


Salut,
Josep
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jan 21 06:18:46 2011
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:18:46 +0000
Subject: Move many buttons all at same time
In-Reply-To: <1295607871260-3229365.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1295607871260-3229365.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4D396B96.9030401@tweedly.net>

This part always confuses me ... so this is kind of a guess. I think the 
"send ...*in 0 ticks*" means that the message is queued for delivery, so 
the repeat loop finishes, then the lockMoves gets set false, then 
mouseUp finishes, and *then* your messages get delivered, one after another.

Try just doing

       send "ElementMove"&&  value(tObjecte)&  comma&  value(tPosicio) to me

instead of

       send "ElementMove"&&  value(tObjecte)&  comma&  value(tPosicio) to me in 0 ticks


-- Alex.




On 21/01/2011 11:04, JosepM wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to move some buttons all at the same time but I can't...
>
> Only I get to move one after one.
>
> on mouseUp
>     set itemdel to tab
>     set the lockMoves to true
>     repeat for each line tLinea in fld "f_punts"
>        put item 2 of tLinea into tObjecte
>        put value(item 1 of tLinea) into tPosicio
>
>        send "ElementMove"&&  value(tObjecte)&  comma&  value(tPosicio) to me
> in 0 ticks
>     end repeat
>     set the lockMoves to false
>
> end mouseUp
>
> on ElementMove pObject, pLocationX, pLocationY
>     move button pObject of stack "s_tactiques_futbol" to
> pLocationX,pLocationY
> end ElementMove
>
>
> Salut,
> Josep



From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Fri Jan 21 06:43:11 2011
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:43:11 +0100
Subject: Livecode IOS personnal + LiveCode Desktop commercial = 2 app ?
Message-ID: <7B931F6F-9BF2-455C-B318-C265F62DED76@laposte.net>

Hello,

I've a commercial licence of Livecode Desktop.
I want to make an ios app, for me only (in first time). So if i bought the Livecode iOs personnal, i need to switch with the different app (one for develop for iOs, one for desktop app) ?

Thanks


From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl  Fri Jan 21 07:29:53 2011
From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:29:53 +0100
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8F6D20C1-2918-4884-98C5-B95C770A78BC@fiberworld.nl>

Hi Thomas,

Well, I recieved my arduino yesterday and started experimenting. I can upload a scetch to the board and it functions well.
I can also communicate with it via ZTerm. (send and recieve)

Now the most important part: communicating with it via livecode.
Alas this gives me trouble aswell. Here is what I got.

Using Mark's code from the makeboard to get the OSXDeviceNames() and with the arduino connected I see the following:
(it's important to have the board connected otherwise I don't see those modems)

usbmodem3a21
/dev/tty.usbmodem3a21
/dev/cu.usbmodem3a21
Bluetooth-PDA-Sync
/dev/tty.Bluetooth-PDA-Sync
.....       ......
etc.

Further I can open a driver with: open driver "/dev/cu.usbmodem3a21" 
and see a result on the board, it's resetting (as in the manual so this is as should be)
I can also close the driver.
I haven't been able to recieve data from the board, but I am able to send something to the board.
I send it a 1 and on the board I have a scetch which checks if it recieves data. If it recieves data,
it will send the same data out with a delay of 500 millis. So when I send data from livecode
I see the Rx led light and thereafter I see the Tx light, which means the board did recieve something and sends
the incomming data back out.
Now I am gonna try to figure out what it recieves and what it sends. (Probably I am gonna hook the whole bit up to a scope
so I can see what's going on on a electrical level)

If I use open file instead of driver it doesn't work. If I use the /dev/tty.usbmodem3a21 instead of  /dev/cu.usbmodem3a21
livecode hangs with the beachball and I have to force quit.

Well that's as far as I got till now.
Perhaps it would be a good idea to discuss/collaborate some of our effords/failings etc. offlist.
As soon as I have something more I will contact you. Feel free to mail me with your addional results/questions/suggestions etc.


Best wishes,
    Claudi




On 21 jan 2011, at 07:19, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Actually, as long as data is coming from the Arduino the app works. The data comes in and fills the field. But after the data stops being sent the system hangs. Until I push the button on the Arduino to send more data in which case the beach ball goes away and the new data gets received again.
> 
> It's like as long as data keeps everything is fine. I can even close the port in the middle of getting data but If it gets to the end of the current stream the system hangs and I can't even close the port. I put code in to close the port after data stops and that is working I think but the system still hangs like it's waiting for more.
> 
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> OK well I can read the data from the USB Serial Modem -- but -- after it is done the app hangs. 
>> 
>> So I can open the port and then read the port and I think close the port but the system hangs.
>> 
>> HELP.... ??
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>> 
>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> 
>>> It seems if I set the EOL to CRLF things work partly. i.e. The numbers show up in the field BUT the script keeps looping and will not stop causing the beach ball.
>>> 
>>> Sarah's code:
>>> on readPort
>>> if the hilite of btn "Port open" = true then
>>> 
>>>  if recEOL is "empty" then resetEOL
>>> 
>>>  put the label of btn "Port" into thePort
>>>  if the hilite of btn "OS X" then
>>>    read from file thePort until recEOL
>>>  else
>>>    read from file thePort until recEOL
>>>  end if
>>>  if it is not empty then put it after fld "recField"
>>>  if last char of fld "recField" <> cr then put cr after fld "recField"
>>>  send readPort to me in 5 ticks
>>> end if
>>> end readPort
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>> 
>>>> UPDATE: Something is working but makes no sense.
>>>> 
>>>> Found a few terminal screen ideas but they are outside of Livecode. No good.
>>>> Found a few applescript examples but would rather keep this crossplatform if possible and a LC to OSC solution would work on iOS but applescript would not. Not best but may have to go this route.
>>>> 
>>>> Found a few softwares that access the USB modem (not FTDI serial emulation) as serial which leads me to believe LC can still do this even with the change from software emulation of a serial port to the hardware emulation of a serial port. So I looked again at Sarah's serialTest stack.
>>>> 
>>>> I had to manually add the /dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 and /dev/cu.usbmodem1a21 to the popup menu. Then find replace driver with file in five places in the stack. Now most of the other solutions use the tty but two use the cu so I tested both. Major hang and LC not responding in Force Quit Window. 
>>>> 
>>>> Command period no good.
>>>> Esc no good.
>>>> Force quit. quits but no good and driver may still be open.
>>>> 
>>>> Unplug Arduino Uno and plug it back in. HUH Serial Input Shows Up In Field !!!!!! Beach ball of almost death goes away. Also port is now closed I think. Also Arduino Tx led not lighting anymore - should be though. Wait replug Arduino rest button on Arduino and serial Tx led is working again. But no longer connected to LC. Try again. Open cu port and beach ball of almost death shows up - LC not responding in Force Quit Window - Unplug Arduino and field fills up with serial data. THe data is a bunch of 1 and 0 based on blinking led.
>>>> 
>>>> SO this seems to say it is connecting but not communicating well. Not knowing enough about serial commands I am not sure what is causing the hang and not responding??? They are both set to 9600. I read somewhere that the trailing bit is or should be ignored.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there another way to connect via message box with out clutter from other settings ? Any ideas on what the culprit is here?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for staying with me on this one.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Jacque-
>>>>> 
>>>>> Saturday, January 15, 2011, 7:31:30 PM, you wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> There's no USB support per se, so if the device doesn't present itself
>>>>>> as a serial port device it won't work.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The path you use when you open a serial port as a file is the same one
>>>>>> you'd use in shell -- use the "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" path you 
>>>>>> mentioned. Also, see if you can talk to it in shell just as a test.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That should work then, since the Arduino driver has always presented
>>>>> itself as a serial port.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> -Mark Wieder
>>>>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 21 09:05:36 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:05:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <684430.8084.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
> Actually, as long as data is coming
> from the Arduino the app works. The data comes in and fills
> the field. But after the data stops being sent the system
> hangs. Until I push the button on the Arduino to send more
> data in which case the beach ball goes away and the new data
> gets received again.
> 
> It's like as long as data keeps everything is fine. I can
> even close the port in the middle of getting data but If it
> gets to the end of the current stream the system hangs and I
> can't even close the port. I put code in to close the port
> after data stops and that is working I think but the system
> still hangs like it's waiting for more.
> 
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> 

Your 'read' is blocking the rest of the application. Try appending 'in 2 seconds" to the end of each 'read' statement, and check the result to see if it is 'time out' before processing the context of the special local variable 'it'.

I shot myself in the foot with that during my experiment of running a java helper app for JmDNS.

HTH,

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 09:14:57 2011
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:14:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Move many buttons all at same time
In-Reply-To: <4D396B96.9030401@tweedly.net>
References: <1295607871260-3229365.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4D396B96.9030401@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1295619297550-3229722.post@n4.nabble.com>


Nop... They move one after one, when the first finish all the movement the
next one begin the next...

Salut,
Josep
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Jan 21 09:25:45 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:25:45 EST
Subject: Move many buttons all at same time
Message-ID: <75145.30067bce.3a6af169@aol.com>

I know this can be scripted as you are working on it, but might it not be 
easier to group your buttons, move the group, and then ungroup?

Craig Newman


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Jan 21 05:32:24 2011
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:32:24 +0000
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4D3960B8.5030305@cogapp.com>

Tom,

Caveats: I've not tried connecting to an Arduino, and I've done almost nothing 
with serial generally... so I don't really know what I'm talk about.  But, 
when I was working with GPS (which are USB with FTDI etc pretending to be 
serial) I found two things:

a) I know this is obvious, but it really matters that you get the serial 
parameters right - getting the right speed is only part of it, if you get the 
rest wrong you may get it seeming to work but it will be unreliable.  I've no 
reason to think you haven't done this, I just thought it was worth mentioning.

b) More usefully perhaps, the code you quote below is reading from the port 
until (rec)eol; I would expect that this may be where it's hanging (and 
displaying the spinning pizza).  The GPS unit was also supposed to speak to in 
complete lines, but I found that rather than rely on this, I did better by 
having a regularly scheduled task that read whatever was available on the 
serial line, and added it to an internal buffer.  Any time new data was read, 
it then called another function to take all complete lines out of the buffer 
and process them.  This was using read from driver instead of read from file, 
as the former allows you to issue a read command which returns either when a 
certain quantity of date has been read (I settled on 10 lines at a time) or a 
time limit has been exceeded.  I'm not sure if you have the option to read 
from driver instead of file, or whether you can use a similar mode with read 
from file; but at any rate, I'd expect your spinning pizza might occur when 
read from file is waiting for EOL.

HTH,

Ben


On 21/01/2011 06:19, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> Actually, as long as data is coming from the Arduino the app works. The data comes in and fills the field. But after the data stops being sent the system hangs. Until I push the button on the Arduino to send more data in which case the beach ball goes away and the new data gets received again.
>
> It's like as long as data keeps everything is fine. I can even close the port in the middle of getting data but If it gets to the end of the current stream the system hangs and I can't even close the port. I put code in to close the port after data stops and that is working I think but the system still hangs like it's waiting for more.
>
>
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
>> OK well I can read the data from the USB Serial Modem -- but -- after it is done the app hangs.
>>
>> So I can open the port and then read the port and I think close the port but the system hangs.
>>
>> HELP.... ??
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>
>>> It seems if I set the EOL to CRLF things work partly. i.e. The numbers show up in the field BUT the script keeps looping and will not stop causing the beach ball.
>>>
>>> Sarah's code:
>>> on readPort
>>> if the hilite of btn "Port open" = true then
>>>
>>>    if recEOL is "empty" then resetEOL
>>>
>>>    put the label of btn "Port" into thePort
>>>    if the hilite of btn "OS X" then
>>>      read from file thePort until recEOL
>>>    else
>>>      read from file thePort until recEOL
>>>    end if
>>>    if it is not empty then put it after fld "recField"
>>>    if last char of fld "recField"<>  cr then put cr after fld "recField"
>>>    send readPort to me in 5 ticks
>>> end if
>>> end readPort
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>>
>>>> UPDATE: Something is working but makes no sense.
>>>>
>>>> Found a few terminal screen ideas but they are outside of Livecode. No good.
>>>> Found a few applescript examples but would rather keep this crossplatform if possible and a LC to OSC solution would work on iOS but applescript would not. Not best but may have to go this route.
>>>>
>>>> Found a few softwares that access the USB modem (not FTDI serial emulation) as serial which leads me to believe LC can still do this even with the change from software emulation of a serial port to the hardware emulation of a serial port. So I looked again at Sarah's serialTest stack.
>>>>
>>>> I had to manually add the /dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 and /dev/cu.usbmodem1a21 to the popup menu. Then find replace driver with file in five places in the stack. Now most of the other solutions use the tty but two use the cu so I tested both. Major hang and LC not responding in Force Quit Window.
>>>>
>>>> Command period no good.
>>>> Esc no good.
>>>> Force quit. quits but no good and driver may still be open.
>>>>
>>>> Unplug Arduino Uno and plug it back in. HUH Serial Input Shows Up In Field !!!!!! Beach ball of almost death goes away. Also port is now closed I think. Also Arduino Tx led not lighting anymore - should be though. Wait replug Arduino rest button on Arduino and serial Tx led is working again. But no longer connected to LC. Try again. Open cu port and beach ball of almost death shows up - LC not responding in Force Quit Window - Unplug Arduino and field fills up with serial data. THe data is a bunch of 1 and 0 based on blinking led.
>>>>
>>>> SO this seems to say it is connecting but not communicating well. Not knowing enough about serial commands I am not sure what is causing the hang and not responding??? They are both set to 9600. I read somewhere that the trailing bit is or should be ignored.
>>>>
>>>> Is there another way to connect via message box with out clutter from other settings ? Any ideas on what the culprit is here?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for staying with me on this one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jacque-
>>>>>
>>>>> Saturday, January 15, 2011, 7:31:30 PM, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There's no USB support per se, so if the device doesn't present itself
>>>>>> as a serial port device it won't work.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The path you use when you open a serial port as a file is the same one
>>>>>> you'd use in shell -- use the "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" path you
>>>>>> mentioned. Also, see if you can talk to it in shell just as a test.
>>>>>
>>>>> That should work then, since the Arduino driver has always presented
>>>>> itself as a serial port.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> -Mark Wieder
>>>>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Jan 21 09:29:01 2011
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:29:01 +0100
Subject: Move many buttons all at same time
In-Reply-To: <1295619297550-3229722.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1295607871260-3229365.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4D396B96.9030401@tweedly.net>
	<1295619297550-3229722.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <F5CF540B-4E52-4B8C-8259-818194773C75@ezpzapps.com>


On Jan 21, 2011, at 3:14 PM, JosepM wrote:

> 
> Nop... They move one after one, when the first finish all the movement the
> next one begin the next...

Can you group them and then move the group?

sims






From anthonyhowe at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 09:39:50 2011
From: anthonyhowe at mac.com (Anthony Howe)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 01:39:50 +1100
Subject: Move many buttons all at same time
In-Reply-To: <F5CF540B-4E52-4B8C-8259-818194773C75@ezpzapps.com>
References: <1295607871260-3229365.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4D396B96.9030401@tweedly.net>
	<1295619297550-3229722.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<F5CF540B-4E52-4B8C-8259-818194773C75@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <FBCF3B60-E43E-485D-AB2C-162444F22397@mac.com>

If I understand requirements, 

AnimationEngine does it pretty well....

A quote from Maltes animationEngine docs:

"To act on multiple controls simultanously do the following

aeLock[commandname]s
[command]
[command]
aeUnlock[commandname]s

e.g.:

aeLockWidths
aeChangeWidth the long ID of grc 1,100,1000,"bounce"
aeChangeWidth the long ID of fld 1,100,1000,"bounce"
aeUnlockWidths

This will allow you to act on multiple controls in sync, just like with aeMoveTo.


you could also try adding the name of the target controls to an array, then looping through it with the command?

on mouseUp
    put the name of btn "btn1" into controlA[1]
    put the name of btn "btn2" into controlA[2]
    repeat for each element tControl in controlA
        move tControl x,y
    end repeat
end mouseUp


cheers,

A.

On 22/01/2011, at 1:29 AM, Jim Sims wrote:


On Jan 21, 2011, at 3:14 PM, JosepM wrote:

> 
> Nop... They move one after one, when the first finish all the movement the
> next one begin the next...

Can you group them and then move the group?

sims




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From ray at linkit.com  Fri Jan 21 09:44:06 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:44:06 -0500
Subject: PDF to JPEG
In-Reply-To: <OF3BE7A059.AD26F0ED-ON8525781D.0052CDDE-8525781D.0053639B@sealedair.com>
References: <002e01cbb7e2$7b1c5f60$71551e20$@LinkIt.Com>
	<OF3BE7A059.AD26F0ED-ON8525781D.0052CDDE-8525781D.0053639B@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <001401cbb979$a83e2ee0$f8ba8ca0$@LinkIt.Com>

Many thanks to the suggestions regarding converting PDF files to JPEG's!
The solution I've found works best for my purposes is E-PdfConverter. It's a
little pricy and documentation for it is nearly non-existent (I still can't
even figure out how to enter the license I bought) but it does work well.
If anybody has any idea how to enter a license codes into these command line
types of tools please let me know.  Otherwise I should hear back from the
company (eventually).

Thanks,

Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:11 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: RE: PDF to JPEG

I have never used this software, but being a command-line tool, you should
be able to call it from Rev via shell, assuming you are using Windows.

http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Business/Document_Management_Tools/e_PDF_
PDF_To_Thumbnail_Converter.html

Key features:
1. PDF to Thumbnail Command Line can convert PDF files to JPG, JPEG, TIFF,
BMP, PNG, GIF, TGA, PCX, PNM, RAS, PBM, etc. images; 2. PDF to Thumbnail
Command Line supports Password Protected PDF files; 3. PDF to Thumbnail
Command Line can specify any resolution from 10 to 1200 dpi in the generated
image files; ... and more...

~Roger


> Sorry, I should have mentioned that I need to do this from within
LiveCode.
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richmond
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:55 AM
>> To: How to use LiveCode
>> Subject: Re: PDF to JPEG
>>
>> On 01/18/2011 11:28 PM, Ray Horsley wrote:
>>> Anybody know of a way to convert a single PDF file (with multiple
>>> pages) to multiple JPEG files?
>>>
>>
>> GIMP; a bit tedious; i.e. page by page, but it is FREE.
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ray Horsley
>>> LinkIt! Software
>>>
>>>


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From iowahengst at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 10:23:23 2011
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:23:23 -0600
Subject: Move many buttons all at same time
In-Reply-To: <1295619297550-3229722.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1295607871260-3229365.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4D396B96.9030401@tweedly.net>
	<1295619297550-3229722.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C2E5234C-D084-47F5-A508-2241009C1859@mac.com>

Hi Josep,

How about something like.....

on mouseUp
   move button "button1" relative 0,100 without waiting
   move button "button2" relative 0,100 without waiting
end mouseUp


take care,
randy hengst
-----
On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:14 AM, JosepM wrote:

> 
> Nop... They move one after one, when the first finish all the movement the
> next one begin the next...
> 
> Salut,
> Josep
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Move-many-buttons-all-at-same-time-tp3229365p3229722.html
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From rene.micout at numericable.com  Fri Jan 21 10:30:55 2011
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:30:55 +0100
Subject: Move many buttons all at same time
In-Reply-To: <C2E5234C-D084-47F5-A508-2241009C1859@mac.com>
References: <1295607871260-3229365.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4D396B96.9030401@tweedly.net>
	<1295619297550-3229722.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C2E5234C-D084-47F5-A508-2241009C1859@mac.com>
Message-ID: <04A8CD60-656A-426D-8484-B7660A00FBCA@numericable.com>

Elegant !

Le 21 janv. 2011 ? 16:23, Randy Hengst a ?crit :

> on mouseUp
>   move button "button1" relative 0,100 without waiting
>   move button "button2" relative 0,100 without waiting
> end mouseUp




From revolution at derbrill.de  Fri Jan 21 10:50:31 2011
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:50:31 +0100
Subject: Move many buttons all at same time
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7398.1295044625.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7398.1295044625.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F95460C6-51A5-4683-8C6F-141511BC6DAD@derbrill.de>

Hi Josep (an all),

Taking up Anthonys suggestion, here is a quick animationEngine version.

create a stack, many buttons

name one of the buttons "doIt"

set the script of btn "doIt" to

on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
    if "animationEngine" is not among the lines of the stacksInUse then
      answer "This needs AE to run"
      exit mouseUp
    end if
    aeStopMoving "all"
    lock screen
  -- I want them to start from the center, if they should move from anywhere, comment out the repeat loop
    repeat with i=1 to the number of buttons
        if the short name of btn i= the short name of me then next repeat
        set the loc of btn i to the loc of this cd
    end repeat

    unlock screen
    aeLockMoves
    repeat with i=1 to the number of buttons
        if the short name of btn i= the short name of me then next repeat
        aeMoveTo the long id of btn i,random(the width of this cd),random(the height of this cd),1000+random(1000),any item of "in,out,inout,bounce,overshoot,"
    end repeat
    aeUnlockMoves
end mouseUp

Hope that helps,

Malte




From ray at linkit.com  Fri Jan 21 11:38:31 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:38:31 -0500
Subject: Adding Columns to a Datagrid via Script
Message-ID: <002501cbb989$a3f71c10$ebe55430$@LinkIt.Com>

Anybody know how to add columns to a datagrid via a script?

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software




From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl  Fri Jan 21 11:40:05 2011
From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:40:05 +0100
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <4D3960B8.5030305@cogapp.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<4D3960B8.5030305@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <29482EA6-05D5-4735-BC0B-609D71DBD840@fiberworld.nl>

Tom,

At the moment I got it working with my laptop with OS 10.5.8
I can send and recieve with livecode using open driver "/dev/cu.usbmodem3d11"
I use the arduino 0022.dmg 

There is still something weird going on with a buffer or so. With the first send I do 
and even waiting after the send for 1 sec before doing the read I get empty. 
Then with the next send/recieve I recieve the previous data. I am always one datacycle behind 
with the read. Ok this should be solvable one way or another.

Unfortunatly I haven't been able to duplicate this with my iMac with OS 10.6.6
I believe the sending part works 'cause when I send the string "123456" and the board echo's
what it recieves I see the tx led flash 6 times (6 chars) this is the same when doing this with my laptop.
So it looks like the board gets the data from livecode but I don't seem to be able to read it right with livecode.

Still it looks promissing so far.

Best wishes,
   Claudi


From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 21 12:29:27 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:29:27 -0800
Subject: Adding Columns to a Datagrid via Script
In-Reply-To: <002501cbb989$a3f71c10$ebe55430$@LinkIt.Com>
References: <002501cbb989$a3f71c10$ebe55430$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <26EE0A44-8FC8-4131-897E-DFDEA59DD63A@mollysrevenge.com>

I'm sure there will be more elegant solutions but if you add data to a datagrid that has more columns than defined, the extra column(s) are added to the right of each row.  No control over column names, etc though.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Ray Horsley wrote:

> Anybody know how to add columns to a datagrid via a script?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 21 13:05:00 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:05:00 -0800
Subject: File Suffix
In-Reply-To: <C95E77A8.8010B%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C95E77A8.8010B%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <9B54A5F3-A931-4A10-98F3-D22ABA728549@twft.com>

I believe this started back with Adobe, where you could name a file .jpg or .jpeg. I was under the impression it was for compatibility with OS X which named files any which way, because their OS is not dependent on a dot extension like Windows was. 

If you really want to go way back, Apple Classic didn't use dot extensions at all, and OS X still does not have to. Apple Classic has a header to the file which told the OS all kinds of neat things like the file type and creator. 

I thought this was a much superior system, because you could not fool the OS into opening a file with another application (like a bit of malware), but you COULD intentionally do it by dragging a file onto another application and dropping it. 

The irony is that all these years I have been ranting, "Who the H*** thought it was a good idea to use dot3 to tell the OS what application a document belonged to???" ;-)

Bob


On Jan 20, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

>> So, my question is "Who the H*** decided, in their little pea-brain, that
>> they would break the convention (that has been around since Pontius was a
>> Pilot) of a filename, a period (a full-stop for all you commonwealth people)
>> and then finally a three character suffix."?
>> 
>> Don't you think that this git should be taken out and tarred and feathered?
> 
> Well, they certainly aren't the first to break this convention:
> 
> .html  (HTML Pages)
> .docx, .xlsx, .pptx (Microsoft Office Documents)
> .torrent (Bittorrent)
> .curl (CURL)
> .ooutline (OmniOutliner Documents)
> .styk, .stykz (Stykz Documents)
> 
> etc...
> 
> Just FYI,
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> 
> 
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From irog at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 13:10:17 2011
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:10:17 -0700
Subject: Test, Please Ignore
Message-ID: <38F352EB-A5D1-4986-B5AE-03C53152171F@mac.com>

Testing, 1, 2, 3 . . . .



From bvg at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 13:14:53 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 19:14:53 +0100
Subject: File Suffix
In-Reply-To: <9B54A5F3-A931-4A10-98F3-D22ABA728549@twft.com>
References: <C95E77A8.8010B%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<9B54A5F3-A931-4A10-98F3-D22ABA728549@twft.com>
Message-ID: <CD189D99-40FF-43C6-BA8A-DB49DEC642B3@mac.com>

just wanted to note that one of the big advertised features of win98 was getting rid of the three char extension limitation, after win 95 allowed longer filenames.

On 21 Jan 2011, at 19:05, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I believe this started back with Adobe, where you could name a file .jpg or .jpeg. I was under the impression it was for compatibility with OS X which named files any which way, because their OS is not dependent on a dot extension like Windows was. 




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 21 13:26:14 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:26:14 -0800
Subject: Test, Please Ignore
In-Reply-To: <38F352EB-A5D1-4986-B5AE-03C53152171F@mac.com>
References: <38F352EB-A5D1-4986-B5AE-03C53152171F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <65437960218.20110121102614@ahsoftware.net>

Roger-

Friday, January 21, 2011, 10:10:17 AM, you wrote:

> Testing, 1, 2, 3 . . . .

5, 8, 13, 21 . . .

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From ray at linkit.com  Fri Jan 21 13:36:26 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:36:26 -0500
Subject: Adding Columns to a Datagrid via Script
In-Reply-To: <26EE0A44-8FC8-4131-897E-DFDEA59DD63A@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <002501cbb989$a3f71c10$ebe55430$@LinkIt.Com>
	<26EE0A44-8FC8-4131-897E-DFDEA59DD63A@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <004101cbb99a$1d05c290$571147b0$@LinkIt.Com>

Really?  So there's no way other than this to add columns to a datagrid and,
even more disappointing, there's no way at all to set column names from a
script?

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter Haworth
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 12:29 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Adding Columns to a Datagrid via Script

I'm sure there will be more elegant solutions but if you add data to a
datagrid that has more columns than defined, the extra column(s) are added
to the right of each row.  No control over column names, etc though.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Ray Horsley wrote:

> Anybody know how to add columns to a datagrid via a script?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 13:37:41 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:37:41 +0200
Subject: Test, Please Ignore
In-Reply-To: <65437960218.20110121102614@ahsoftware.net>
References: <38F352EB-A5D1-4986-B5AE-03C53152171F@mac.com>
	<65437960218.20110121102614@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4D39D275.9040407@gmail.com>

Mark; possibly assuming too much . . .  :)

On 01/21/2011 08:26 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Roger-
>
> Friday, January 21, 2011, 10:10:17 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Testing, 1, 2, 3 . . . .
> 5, 8, 13, 21 . . .
>
  1, 2, 3, 6, 11, 20, 37 . . .


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 13:47:11 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:47:11 -0500
Subject: umask
In-Reply-To: <4D388919.20201@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AANLkTimC1Vn_ebNUhskJ=rreYjg=X5BFUjbY1cd1pjfM@mail.gmail.com>	<A9473311-E57B-4E66-8E6D-B998C4BF1B0C@sunnyrevtalk.com>	<4C55947E-F24B-4FA4-9EF6-BA3BFFC9DF38@mac.com>	<AB7BA69F-6508-48C3-804F-CC0E272B3F04@sunnyrevtalk.com>	<FE6CB32C-9EB7-4FF1-8696-7B38D2659519@mac.com>
	<FEF16FD1-B55C-47BD-9B30-F9C8B7F907D6@gmail.com>
	<4D388919.20201@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E4C6951A-9D14-44E4-A97C-D9BE1F770D2F@gmail.com>

On Jan 20, 2011, at 2:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/20/11 10:21 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
>>
>>> For example the entry about the selectionChanged message claims that
>>> it's not triggered by arrow keys, but it is.
>>
>> Not on my machine -- MacBook, OSX 10.5.8, Rev Studio 4.0.0-gm-1,  
>> build
>> 950. Arrowkeys don't trigger selectionChanged. Maybe it's different  
>> in 4.5?
>
> The field needs to have focus first.

If the insertion point is in the field then it has focus, right?

I just double-checked: created a new mainstack, put a new field in it,  
put some text into it, and put this in the field script:

on selectionchanged
    beep
end selectionchanged

and when I click anywhere in the text to change the insertion point I  
get a beep, but when I use the arrowkeys to move the insertion point I  
get no beep, just a silent shift of the insertion point.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From bvg at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 13:48:24 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 19:48:24 +0100
Subject: Test, Please Ignore
In-Reply-To: <65437960218.20110121102614@ahsoftware.net>
References: <38F352EB-A5D1-4986-B5AE-03C53152171F@mac.com>
	<65437960218.20110121102614@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <0D08ABCF-9371-4C6A-97D0-1A13259936D5@mac.com>


On 21 Jan 2011, at 19:26, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Roger-
> 
> Friday, January 21, 2011, 10:10:17 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> Testing, 1, 2, 3 . . . .
> 
> 5, 8, 13, 21 . . .

on mouseUp
   put 2 into x
   put 2 into theResult
   repeat while the mouse is up
      add one to x
      put false into isDivisable
      repeat for each item theItem in theResult
         if x mod theItem = 0 then
            put true into isDivisable
            exit repeat
         end if
      end repeat
      if isDivisable then
         next repeat
      else
         put comma & x after theResult
      end if
   end repeat
   put theResult
end mouseUp



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 13:48:43 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:48:43 +0200
Subject: Object Prefixation
Message-ID: <4D39D50B.2080204@gmail.com>

Just to:

Get us back on track with Livecode,

Provide the perfect foil to the thread about files suffixes,

and chew over an old chestnut . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you are one of those people who are worried about being run over by a 
number 10 bus, AND, are
arrogant enough to believe that somebody will want to use your code 
after you have 'moved on',
surely one of the ways to expedite things (and Klaus can chime in here 
with a few more) is to adopt
a COHERENT and CONSISTENT (personally I'm not completely familiar with 
what those words
mean) system of prefixation of objects/controls . . .

I tend (and the word 'tend' here indicates that I actually do this very 
rarely) to use a one
letter prefix system which is really useless, vis:

"fTEXT" is a field
"gPIC" is a graphic
"gGROOP" should be a group but you will confuse it with a graphic

various others have various other systems of prefixation . . .

so; how about this:

"fldTEXT" is a field
"grfPIC" is a graphic
"grpGROOP" is a group
"imgIMAGE" is an image
"btnKOPCHE" is a button

and so on?

Go, on; start arguing . . .  :)


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 21 13:52:25 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:52:25 -0800
Subject: Test, Please Ignore
In-Reply-To: <4D39D275.9040407@gmail.com>
References: <38F352EB-A5D1-4986-B5AE-03C53152171F@mac.com>
	<65437960218.20110121102614@ahsoftware.net>
	<4D39D275.9040407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <143439530875.20110121105225@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Friday, January 21, 2011, 10:37:41 AM, you wrote:

> Mark; possibly assuming too much . . .  :)

> On 01/21/2011 08:26 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Roger-
>>
>> Friday, January 21, 2011, 10:10:17 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>> Testing, 1, 2, 3 . . . .
>> 5, 8, 13, 21 . . .
>>
>   1, 2, 3, 6, 11, 20, 37 . . .

<g> nice one.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 21 13:55:08 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:55:08 -0800
Subject: Object Prefixation
In-Reply-To: <4D39D50B.2080204@gmail.com>
References: <4D39D50B.2080204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <108439693765.20110121105508@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Friday, January 21, 2011, 10:48:43 AM, you wrote:

> "fldTEXT" is a field
> "grfPIC" is a graphic
> "grpGROOP" is a group
> "imgIMAGE" is an image
> "btnKOPCHE" is a button

> and so on?

I regularly use all those except I use "grc" for graphic. ymmv. Also
"lblTEXT" for label fields, *especially* when I have an associated
label-textfield pair, in which case I name them similarly:

"fldEmailAddress"
"lblEmailAddress"

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr  Fri Jan 21 13:57:55 2011
From: andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Bisseret?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 19:57:55 +0100
Subject: Adding Columns to a Datagrid via Script
In-Reply-To: <004101cbb99a$1d05c290$571147b0$@LinkIt.Com>
References: <002501cbb989$a3f71c10$ebe55430$@LinkIt.Com>
	<26EE0A44-8FC8-4131-897E-DFDEA59DD63A@mollysrevenge.com>
	<004101cbb99a$1d05c290$571147b0$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <69120002-A58A-401F-9754-119A44333AFA@wanadoo.fr>

Bonjour Ray,

One other solution :
--------
put the dgProp["columns"] of grp "datagrid" into tCols
put cr & "new column'name" after line 4 of tCols -- or else where, as you want
set the dgProp["columns"] of grp "datagrid" to tCols
-- and possibly for example :
set the dgColumnWidth["column'name"] of grp "datagrid" to n -- the width you like
---------------
HTH

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?


Le 21 janv. 2011 ? 19:36, Ray Horsley a ?crit :

> Really?  So there's no way other than this to add columns to a datagrid and,
> even more disappointing, there's no way at all to set column names from a
> script?
> 
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter Haworth
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 12:29 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: Adding Columns to a Datagrid via Script
> 
> I'm sure there will be more elegant solutions but if you add data to a
> datagrid that has more columns than defined, the extra column(s) are added
> to the right of each row.  No control over column names, etc though.
> 
> Pete Haworth
> 
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Ray Horsley wrote:
> 
>> Anybody know how to add columns to a datagrid via a script?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ray Horsley
>> LinkIt! Software
>> 
>> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 21 14:00:06 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:00:06 -0600
Subject: umask
In-Reply-To: <E4C6951A-9D14-44E4-A97C-D9BE1F770D2F@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimC1Vn_ebNUhskJ=rreYjg=X5BFUjbY1cd1pjfM@mail.gmail.com>	<A9473311-E57B-4E66-8E6D-B998C4BF1B0C@sunnyrevtalk.com>	<4C55947E-F24B-4FA4-9EF6-BA3BFFC9DF38@mac.com>	<AB7BA69F-6508-48C3-804F-CC0E272B3F04@sunnyrevtalk.com>	<FE6CB32C-9EB7-4FF1-8696-7B38D2659519@mac.com>	<FEF16FD1-B55C-47BD-9B30-F9C8B7F907D6@gmail.com>	<4D388919.20201@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E4C6951A-9D14-44E4-A97C-D9BE1F770D2F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D39D7B6.7060807@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/21/11 12:47 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2011, at 2:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> On 1/20/11 10:21 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
>>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
>>>
>>>> For example the entry about the selectionChanged message claims that
>>>> it's not triggered by arrow keys, but it is.
>>>
>>> Not on my machine -- MacBook, OSX 10.5.8, Rev Studio 4.0.0-gm-1, build
>>> 950. Arrowkeys don't trigger selectionChanged. Maybe it's different
>>> in 4.5?
>>
>> The field needs to have focus first.
>
> If the insertion point is in the field then it has focus, right?
>
> I just double-checked: created a new mainstack, put a new field in it,
> put some text into it, and put this in the field script:
>
> on selectionchanged
> beep
> end selectionchanged
>
> and when I click anywhere in the text to change the insertion point I
> get a beep, but when I use the arrowkeys to move the insertion point I
> get no beep, just a silent shift of the insertion point.

Oh, sorry, forgot to say it has to be a list field. I haven't checked, 
but the message may depend on the navigationArrows setting. If you have 
that set to true then I'm not sure a non-list field will even get an 
arrowkey message, it may go to the card instead. If I get time I'll 
experiment and see.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 14:02:00 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:02:00 +0100
Subject: Adding Columns to a Datagrid via Script
In-Reply-To: <004101cbb99a$1d05c290$571147b0$@LinkIt.Com>
References: <002501cbb989$a3f71c10$ebe55430$@LinkIt.Com>
	<26EE0A44-8FC8-4131-897E-DFDEA59DD63A@mollysrevenge.com>
	<004101cbb99a$1d05c290$571147b0$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=F4_qDNUYifzV3w2NQvAH_QeenyN81_MxNveQp@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Ray Horsley <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
> Really? ?So there's no way other than this to add columns to a datagrid and,
> even more disappointing, there's no way at all to set column names from a
> script?

Ray,

You can by setting the dgProp["columns"]  of a datagrid. This property
returns the names of the columns separated by returns.

Here is an example adding a column with an asking name at the end of a datagrid


command addColumn pWhichDG
   local tDGColumnsList, tNewColNo, tNewColName

   put the dgProp["columns"] of grp pWhichDG into tDGColumnsList
   put (the number of lines of tDGColumnsList + 1) into tNewColNo
   ask "Column name?" with "Col" & tNewColNo
   if (it is not empty) then
      put it into tNewColName
      set the dgProp["columns"] of grp pWhichDG to tDGColumnsList &
return & tNewColName
   end if
end addColumn


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Fri Jan 21 14:09:00 2011
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 19:09:00 +0000
Subject: Some might like this...
In-Reply-To: <29482EA6-05D5-4735-BC0B-609D71DBD840@fiberworld.nl>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>,
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>,
	<4D3960B8.5030305@cogapp.com>,
	<29482EA6-05D5-4735-BC0B-609D71DBD840@fiberworld.nl>
Message-ID: <BAY152-w23018F563B665F155DD96CEDF80@phx.gbl>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI
 		 	   		  

From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 21 14:10:01 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:10:01 -0800
Subject: Adding Columns to a Datagrid via Script
In-Reply-To: <004101cbb99a$1d05c290$571147b0$@LinkIt.Com>
References: <002501cbb989$a3f71c10$ebe55430$@LinkIt.Com>
	<26EE0A44-8FC8-4131-897E-DFDEA59DD63A@mollysrevenge.com>
	<004101cbb99a$1d05c290$571147b0$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <D268D907-BFC8-48E2-88B4-804733C7BCC5@mollysrevenge.com>

As I said, there may be more elegant solutions, just offering something I've seen happen.  I hope there is a way to add columns specifically because I'd like to do that.  Hopefully someone more knowledgeable that I will come up with something.

You can use the dgColumnName and dgColumnLabel properties of a column to change the column name/label but you have to know the  current name of the column.  

Pete Haworth

On Jan 21, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Ray Horsley wrote:

> Really?  So there's no way other than this to add columns to a datagrid and,
> even more disappointing, there's no way at all to set column names from a
> script?
> 
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter Haworth
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 12:29 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: Adding Columns to a Datagrid via Script
> 
> I'm sure there will be more elegant solutions but if you add data to a
> datagrid that has more columns than defined, the extra column(s) are added
> to the right of each row.  No control over column names, etc though.
> 
> Pete Haworth
> 
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Ray Horsley wrote:
> 
>> Anybody know how to add columns to a datagrid via a script?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ray Horsley
>> LinkIt! Software
>> 
>> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 14:12:02 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:12:02 +0200
Subject: Object Prefixation
In-Reply-To: <108439693765.20110121105508@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4D39D50B.2080204@gmail.com>
	<108439693765.20110121105508@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4D39DA82.4030505@gmail.com>

On 01/21/2011 08:55 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Friday, January 21, 2011, 10:48:43 AM, you wrote:
>
>> "fldTEXT" is a field
>> "grfPIC" is a graphic
>> "grpGROOP" is a group
>> "imgIMAGE" is an image
>> "btnKOPCHE" is a button
>> and so on?
> I regularly use all those except I use "grc" for graphic. ymmv. Also
> "lblTEXT" for label fields, *especially* when I have an associated
> label-textfield pair, in which case I name them similarly:
>
> "fldEmailAddress"
> "lblEmailAddress"
>
  "Somebody " [not me, buster; somebody nearer the centre; not, like 
myself, off on the
outer arm of the lesser spiral galaxy] should draw up a semi-official 
set of these things
and present them as a downloadable PDF somewhere [hey; how about on the 
RunRev
site].

I am not am huge fan of comformity ["Really; you surprise me, Mr 
Mathewson:]; however,
there is a time and a place for everything; and this might just be one 
of those junctures
that would benefit from some sort of conformity.


From bvg at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 14:17:13 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:17:13 +0100
Subject: Object Prefixation
In-Reply-To: <4D39DA82.4030505@gmail.com>
References: <4D39D50B.2080204@gmail.com>
	<108439693765.20110121105508@ahsoftware.net>
	<4D39DA82.4030505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <270FE85C-90AD-4ED8-96D2-A23884898762@mac.com>

http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html

On 21 Jan 2011, at 20:12, Richmond wrote:

> On 01/21/2011 08:55 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Richmond-
>> 
>> Friday, January 21, 2011, 10:48:43 AM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> "fldTEXT" is a field
>>> "grfPIC" is a graphic
>>> "grpGROOP" is a group
>>> "imgIMAGE" is an image
>>> "btnKOPCHE" is a button
>>> and so on?
>> I regularly use all those except I use "grc" for graphic. ymmv. Also
>> "lblTEXT" for label fields, *especially* when I have an associated
>> label-textfield pair, in which case I name them similarly:
>> 
>> "fldEmailAddress"
>> "lblEmailAddress"
>> 
> "Somebody " [not me, buster; somebody nearer the centre; not, like myself, off on the
> outer arm of the lesser spiral galaxy] should draw up a semi-official set of these things
> and present them as a downloadable PDF somewhere [hey; how about on the RunRev
> site].
> 
> I am not am huge fan of comformity ["Really; you surprise me, Mr Mathewson:]; however,
> there is a time and a place for everything; and this might just be one of those junctures
> that would benefit from some sort of conformity.
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From ray at linkit.com  Fri Jan 21 14:19:07 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:19:07 -0500
Subject: Adding Columns to a Datagrid via Script
In-Reply-To: <26EE0A44-8FC8-4131-897E-DFDEA59DD63A@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <002501cbb989$a3f71c10$ebe55430$@LinkIt.Com>
	<26EE0A44-8FC8-4131-897E-DFDEA59DD63A@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <005001cbb9a0$138bb520$3aa31f60$@LinkIt.Com>

Peter, you were right.  There is a little bit more elegant solution.  Andr?,
Zryip, thanks!  This works beautifully.

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter Haworth
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 12:29 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Adding Columns to a Datagrid via Script

I'm sure there will be more elegant solutions but if you add data to a
datagrid that has more columns than defined, the extra column(s) are added
to the right of each row.  No control over column names, etc though.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Ray Horsley wrote:

> Anybody know how to add columns to a datagrid via a script?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
> 
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 14:22:46 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:22:46 +0200
Subject: Some might like this...
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-w23018F563B665F155DD96CEDF80@phx.gbl>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>,
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>,
	<4D3960B8.5030305@cogapp.com>,
	<29482EA6-05D5-4735-BC0B-609D71DBD840@fiberworld.nl>
	<BAY152-w23018F563B665F155DD96CEDF80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D39DD06.7060304@gmail.com>

On 01/21/2011 09:09 PM, John Dixon wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI
>   		 	   		

Having grown up on the Two Ronnies (Barker and Corbett) this made me
just a bit sad; although the "other chap" - whoever he is - was a fairly
good foil for Ronnie Corbett.

I wonder if Ronnie Corbett still bides near Gullane? Abune 24 towmonds ahin
I stayed i Nor Berwick, an well ken haein a glisk o yon fell mon takin a 
brisk
round o gouf at the links in Gullane. He mun be raxin 80 now; an he's 
still got
that canny gab on him; amazing! He thwacked a ball richt intil ma dowp as
I was keekin ower the dunes at the watter . . .  :)


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 14:25:08 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:25:08 +0200
Subject: Object Prefixation
In-Reply-To: <270FE85C-90AD-4ED8-96D2-A23884898762@mac.com>
References: <4D39D50B.2080204@gmail.com>	<108439693765.20110121105508@ahsoftware.net>	<4D39DA82.4030505@gmail.com>
	<270FE85C-90AD-4ED8-96D2-A23884898762@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4D39DD94.4000404@gmail.com>

On 01/21/2011 09:17 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html
>

Yes, BUT . . .

the prefixation convention uses single letters.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 21 14:27:56 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:27:56 -0800
Subject: Object Prefixation
In-Reply-To: <270FE85C-90AD-4ED8-96D2-A23884898762@mac.com>
References: <4D39D50B.2080204@gmail.com>
	<108439693765.20110121105508@ahsoftware.net>
	<4D39DA82.4030505@gmail.com>
	<270FE85C-90AD-4ED8-96D2-A23884898762@mac.com>
Message-ID: <79441661781.20110121112756@ahsoftware.net>

Bj?rnke-

Friday, January 21, 2011, 11:17:13 AM, you wrote:

> http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html

Richard's article deals with variable names, not object names.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From coiin at verizon.net  Fri Jan 21 14:28:53 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:28:53 -0500
Subject: Some might like this...
In-Reply-To: <4D39DD06.7060304@gmail.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>,
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>,
	<4D3960B8.5030305@cogapp.com>, 
	<29482EA6-05D5-4735-BC0B-609D71DBD840@fiberworld.nl>
	<BAY152-w23018F563B665F155DD96CEDF80@phx.gbl>
	<4D39DD06.7060304@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FB0F39D3-F210-4510-8C3B-A534E604C237@verizon.net>


On Jan 21, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Richmond wrote:

> Having grown up on the Two Ronnies (Barker and Corbett) this made me
> just a bit sad; although the "other chap" - whoever he is - was a fairly
> good foil for Ronnie Corbett.
> 


That's Harry Enfield, he's quite good at that kind of sketch.


> I wonder if Ronnie Corbett still bides near Gullane? Abune 24 towmonds ahin
> I stayed i Nor Berwick, an well ken haein a glisk o yon fell mon takin a brisk
> round o gouf at the links in Gullane. He mun be raxin 80 now; an he's still got
> that canny gab on him; amazing! He thwacked a ball richt intil ma dowp as
> I was keekin ower the dunes at the watter . . .  :)

I ran that by the Google translator, and it had no idea what language it was in.





From jhj at jhj.com  Fri Jan 21 14:41:58 2011
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:41:58 -0800
Subject: Test, Please Ignore
In-Reply-To: <65437960218.20110121102614@ahsoftware.net>
References: <38F352EB-A5D1-4986-B5AE-03C53152171F@mac.com>
	<65437960218.20110121102614@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <2FB5CD9F-D37D-4DF3-8905-25C645050DD0@jhj.com>

On Jan 21, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Roger-
> 
> Friday, January 21, 2011, 10:10:17 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
>> Testing, 1, 2, 3 . . . .
> 
> 5, 8, 13, 21 . . .

Aw, thats a Fib.





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 14:42:36 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:42:36 +0200
Subject: Some might like this...
In-Reply-To: <FB0F39D3-F210-4510-8C3B-A534E604C237@verizon.net>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>,
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>,
	<4D3960B8.5030305@cogapp.com>,
	<29482EA6-05D5-4735-BC0B-609D71DBD840@fiberworld.nl>	<BAY152-w23018F563B665F155DD96CEDF80@phx.gbl>	<4D39DD06.7060304@gmail.com>
	<FB0F39D3-F210-4510-8C3B-A534E604C237@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4D39E1AC.4060708@gmail.com>

On 01/21/2011 09:28 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> Having grown up on the Two Ronnies (Barker and Corbett) this made me
>> just a bit sad; although the "other chap" - whoever he is - was a fairly
>> good foil for Ronnie Corbett.
>>
>>
>> That's Harry Enfield, he's quite good at that kind of sketch.
>>
>> I wonder if Ronnie Corbett still bides near Gullane? Abune 24 towmonds ahin
>> I stayed i Nor Berwick, an well ken haein a glisk o yon fell mon takin a brisk
>> round o gouf at the links in Gullane. He mun be raxin 80 now; an he's still got
>> that canny gab on him; amazing! He thwacked a ball richt intil ma dowp as
>> I was keekin ower the dunes at the watter . . .  :)
> I ran that by the Google translator, and it had no idea what language it was in.
>
>

Scots.


From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 21 14:44:31 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:44:31 -0800
Subject: Object Prefixation
In-Reply-To: <4D39D50B.2080204@gmail.com>
References: <4D39D50B.2080204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED7D474-AFA1-474E-9F28-80DB4AD7930B@mollysrevenge.com>

I'm probably missing something really obvious here but why do you need a naming convention for controls?  You already refer to them by what type of control they are (field "xyz", button "abc").  I'll disclose that I'm influenced by the development method I use where the name of a control defines various of its characteristics.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 21, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Richmond wrote:

> so; how about this:
> 
> "fldTEXT" is a field
> "grfPIC" is a graphic
> "grpGROOP" is a group
> "imgIMAGE" is an image
> "btnKOPCHE" is a button
> 
> and so on?
> 
> Go, on; start arguing . . .  :)




From bvg at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 14:44:19 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:44:19 +0100
Subject: Object Prefixation
In-Reply-To: <79441661781.20110121112756@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4D39D50B.2080204@gmail.com>
	<108439693765.20110121105508@ahsoftware.net>
	<4D39DA82.4030505@gmail.com>
	<270FE85C-90AD-4ED8-96D2-A23884898762@mac.com>
	<79441661781.20110121112756@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <F07190D0-25E4-439C-94A8-9C30335AC9F9@mac.com>

oh in that case use "the"

like:
put the long id of field 1 into theField

problem solved (evil grinn)

On 21 Jan 2011, at 20:27, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Bj?rnke-
> 
> Friday, January 21, 2011, 11:17:13 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/scriptstyle.html
> 
> Richard's article deals with variable names, not object names.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 21 14:47:50 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:47:50 -0800
Subject: Some might like this...
In-Reply-To: <FB0F39D3-F210-4510-8C3B-A534E604C237@verizon.net>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>,
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>,
	<4D3960B8.5030305@cogapp.com>, 
	<29482EA6-05D5-4735-BC0B-609D71DBD840@fiberworld.nl>
	<BAY152-w23018F563B665F155DD96CEDF80@phx.gbl>
	<4D39DD06.7060304@gmail.com>
	<FB0F39D3-F210-4510-8C3B-A534E604C237@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <138442855921.20110121114750@ahsoftware.net>

Colin-

Friday, January 21, 2011, 11:28:53 AM, you wrote:

> I ran that by the Google translator, and it had no idea what language it was in.

Have to run it through a spell-checker first...

I wonder if Ronnie Corbel still bides near Gullah? Abuse 24 diamonds shin
I stayed i Nor Warwick, an well ken having a glister o yon fell Mon akin a brisk
round o gout at the links in Gullah He mun be rain 80 now; an he's still got
that canny gab on him; amazing! He thwacked a ball rich until ma down as
I was reeking wore the dunes at the water . . .  :)

...then though Google's translator into something reasonable (Finnish,
say) and then back into English...

I wonder if Ronnie Corbel bides still close to the Gullah? Abuse of 24 diamonds leg
   I stayed in Warwick, or, well Ken having glister No there fell Monday to recall at a brisk
No round of gout at Gullah He links me to be of precipitation 80 now, he's still got
the frugal to talk to him, amazing! He thwacked rich until the ball down on Monday
I was reeking the dunes was filled with water. . . :)

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From coiin at verizon.net  Fri Jan 21 14:48:54 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:48:54 -0500
Subject: Some might like this...
In-Reply-To: <4D39E1AC.4060708@gmail.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>,
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>,
	<4D3960B8.5030305@cogapp.com>, 
	<29482EA6-05D5-4735-BC0B-609D71DBD840@fiberworld.nl>
	<BAY152-w23018F563B665F155DD96CEDF80@phx.gbl>	<4D39DD06.7060304@gmail.com>
	<FB0F39D3-F210-4510-8C3B-A534E604C237@verizon.net>
	<4D39E1AC.4060708@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C42DA2F-C537-40B6-A649-C58FE1DF8298@verizon.net>


On Jan 21, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Richmond wrote:

> Scots.

Unfortunately that's not a mainstream enough language for Google to know about. They do have Welsh though.

It did however come up with a reference link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjXMunRqNxw




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 21 14:49:55 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:49:55 -0800
Subject: Some might like this...
In-Reply-To: <4D39E1AC.4060708@gmail.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>,
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>,
	<4D3960B8.5030305@cogapp.com>, 
	<29482EA6-05D5-4735-BC0B-609D71DBD840@fiberworld.nl>
	<BAY152-w23018F563B665F155DD96CEDF80@phx.gbl>
	<4D39DD06.7060304@gmail.com>
	<FB0F39D3-F210-4510-8C3B-A534E604C237@verizon.net>
	<4D39E1AC.4060708@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61442981156.20110121114955@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Friday, January 21, 2011, 11:42:36 AM, you wrote:

> Scots.

...can't live *with* 'em, can't...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From support at ahsomme.com  Fri Jan 21 15:05:26 2011
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:05:26 -0800
Subject: Popup button and DataGrid
Message-ID: <BA9C1E37-B549-4C41-AA67-CF9E7360E412@ahsomme.com>

Help please.
I am trying to use a popup button with a datagrid.

I have code, in the dg, that looks like this:

on mouseDown
      popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
end mouseDown

The popup works fine but the selected line in the dg is not hilited  
until after something is selected in the popup. So, to the user, it  
looks like the popup refers to the previously selected line.
I will probably solve it but figured someone on the list already has  
the solution.

Thanks in advance.
Paul Looney



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 21 15:15:28 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:15:28 -0600
Subject: Object Prefixation
In-Reply-To: <4D39DA82.4030505@gmail.com>
References: <4D39D50B.2080204@gmail.com>	<108439693765.20110121105508@ahsoftware.net>
	<4D39DA82.4030505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D39E960.1060906@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/21/11 1:12 PM, Richmond wrote:

> I am not am huge fan of comformity ["Really; you surprise me, Mr
> Mathewson:]; however,
> there is a time and a place for everything; and this might just be one
> of those junctures
> that would benefit from some sort of conformity.

I don't see the point of naming objects according to a particular 
system. When referenced in a script, they are almost always preceded by 
the object type. I.e.: btn "mybutton". Seems pretty clear to me. I do, 
on the other hand, use a system to label variables according to scope 
because there is no other way to identify that.

That said, I do sometimes name group with "grp" at the end of the name, 
though I'm not sure why, and labels have "-lbl" at the end because those 
are the only fields I've ever needed to identify visually. But I never 
need to know whether a field is a field, because the script always has 
"field" before the object name.

Maybe I'm missing something. I won't use your specs anyway. :)


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 15:19:07 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:19:07 +0200
Subject: Object Prefixation
In-Reply-To: <4ED7D474-AFA1-474E-9F28-80DB4AD7930B@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <4D39D50B.2080204@gmail.com>
	<4ED7D474-AFA1-474E-9F28-80DB4AD7930B@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <4D39EA3B.1000007@gmail.com>

On 01/21/2011 09:44 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> I'm probably missing something really obvious here but why do you need a naming convention for controls?  You already refer to them by what type of control they are (field "xyz", button "abc").  I'll disclose that I'm influenced by the development method I use where the name of a control defines various of its characteristics.
>

Aaah; well, if you are as warped as I am . . .

I ALWAYS use images as buttons, as I like to guarantee a unified 
look-and-feel
as well as font consistency cross-platform.

I have been known to used graphic objects, video-payers and even fields 
as buttons.

Therefore, I, amongst others, might choose to use prefixes not to 
indicate what controls
actually are, but what they are used for!


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 15:21:31 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:21:31 +0200
Subject: Some might like this...
In-Reply-To: <61442981156.20110121114955@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>,
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>,
	<4D3960B8.5030305@cogapp.com>,
	<29482EA6-05D5-4735-BC0B-609D71DBD840@fiberworld.nl>	<BAY152-w23018F563B665F155DD96CEDF80@phx.gbl>	<4D39DD06.7060304@gmail.com>	<FB0F39D3-F210-4510-8C3B-A534E604C237@verizon.net>	<4D39E1AC.4060708@gmail.com>
	<61442981156.20110121114955@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4D39EACB.2040102@gmail.com>

On 01/21/2011 09:49 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Friday, January 21, 2011, 11:42:36 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Scots.
> ...can't live *with* 'em, can't...
>
Nothing like the arrogance of the English-speaking world to remind us 
Scots that after 325 years
of the English yoke we still haven't . . .


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 15:22:07 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:22:07 +0100
Subject: Popup button and DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <BA9C1E37-B549-4C41-AA67-CF9E7360E412@ahsomme.com>
References: <BA9C1E37-B549-4C41-AA67-CF9E7360E412@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimdZB39yHfLvrqXBT-zTsX1SB1ZJ2si_N2sXaTx@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Paul Looney <support at ahsomme.com> wrote:
> Help please.
> I am trying to use a popup button with a datagrid.
>
> I have code, in the dg, that looks like this:
>
> on mouseDown
> ? ? popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
> end mouseDown
>
> The popup works fine but the selected line in the dg is not hilited until
> after something is selected in the popup. So, to the user, it looks like the
> popup refers to the previously selected line.
> I will probably solve it but figured someone on the list already has the
> solution.
>
> Thanks in advance.

Paul,

on mouseDown
 ? popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
   pass mouseDown
end mouseDown


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 15:23:13 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:23:13 +0200
Subject: Object Prefixation
In-Reply-To: <4D39E960.1060906@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4D39D50B.2080204@gmail.com>	<108439693765.20110121105508@ahsoftware.net>	<4D39DA82.4030505@gmail.com>
	<4D39E960.1060906@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4D39EB31.70607@gmail.com>

On 01/21/2011 10:15 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 1/21/11 1:12 PM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> I am not am huge fan of comformity ["Really; you surprise me, Mr
>> Mathewson:]; however,
>> there is a time and a place for everything; and this might just be one
>> of those junctures
>> that would benefit from some sort of conformity.
>
> I don't see the point of naming objects according to a particular 
> system. When referenced in a script, they are almost always preceded 
> by the object type. I.e.: btn "mybutton". Seems pretty clear to me. I 
> do, on the other hand, use a system to label variables according to 
> scope because there is no other way to identify that.
>
> That said, I do sometimes name group with "grp" at the end of the 
> name, though I'm not sure why, and labels have "-lbl" at the end 
> because those are the only fields I've ever needed to identify 
> visually. But I never need to know whether a field is a field, because 
> the script always has "field" before the object name.
>
> Maybe I'm missing something. I won't use your specs anyway. :)
>
>
  You probably wouldn't want my specs as they are designed to help my 
eyes see better
rather than yours . . .  :)

And, as you see; we don't see eye-to-eye about prefixation.

Eye-Eye, Richmond.


From coiin at verizon.net  Fri Jan 21 15:27:07 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:27:07 -0500
Subject: Some might like this...
In-Reply-To: <4D39EACB.2040102@gmail.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>,
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>,
	<4D3960B8.5030305@cogapp.com>, 
	<29482EA6-05D5-4735-BC0B-609D71DBD840@fiberworld.nl>
	<BAY152-w23018F563B665F155DD96CEDF80@phx.gbl>	<4D39DD06.7060304@gmail.com>
	<FB0F39D3-F210-4510-8C3B-A534E604C237@verizon.net>
	<4D39E1AC.4060708@gmail.com>	<61442981156.20110121114955@ahsoftware.net>
	<4D39EACB.2040102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99DAC965-30E4-46EC-AA15-9DF1F4D41920@verizon.net>


On Jan 21, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Richmond wrote:

> Nothing like the arrogance of the English-speaking world to remind us Scots that after 325 years
> of the English yoke we still haven't . . .


I guess the yoke is on you.





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 15:32:40 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:32:40 +0200
Subject: Some might like this...
In-Reply-To: <99DAC965-30E4-46EC-AA15-9DF1F4D41920@verizon.net>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>,
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>,
	<4D3960B8.5030305@cogapp.com>,
	<29482EA6-05D5-4735-BC0B-609D71DBD840@fiberworld.nl>	<BAY152-w23018F563B665F155DD96CEDF80@phx.gbl>	<4D39DD06.7060304@gmail.com>	<FB0F39D3-F210-4510-8C3B-A534E604C237@verizon.net>	<4D39E1AC.4060708@gmail.com>	<61442981156.20110121114955@ahsoftware.net>	<4D39EACB.2040102@gmail.com>
	<99DAC965-30E4-46EC-AA15-9DF1F4D41920@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4D39ED68.7080504@gmail.com>

On 01/21/2011 10:27 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> Nothing like the arrogance of the English-speaking world to remind us Scots that after 325 years
>> of the English yoke we still haven't . . .
>>
>> I guess the yoke is on you.
>>
>>
At which point the only reasonable response is:

"Fried or boiled" . . .  :)


From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Jan 21 15:39:15 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:39:15 EST
Subject: Fixating on Object Prefixation
Message-ID: <90ebf.11bc8fe2.3a6b48f3@aol.com>

It is comforting to have a (sort of) unified naming system. In HC, it was 
common, for example, that all globals be prefixed with "the", as in 
theGlobal.

In LC, I see many use "t" as shorthand for "the" as, for example, tLine:

repeat for each line tLine in foo

And I see a convention "g" for globals.

I can read such things just a little easier, whether in my own code or 
someone elses, if I see familiar indicators. I think it is a good idea for 
common objects and variables.

Was it Danny Goodman who invented "foo", and "temp"? Everyone over 45 knows 
immediately what these are intended to mean.

Craig Newman


From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 21 15:47:12 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:47:12 -0800
Subject: Object Prefixation
In-Reply-To: <4D39EA3B.1000007@gmail.com>
References: <4D39D50B.2080204@gmail.com>
	<4ED7D474-AFA1-474E-9F28-80DB4AD7930B@mollysrevenge.com>
	<4D39EA3B.1000007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F72BC093-2507-42E4-8190-25FCFD899304@mollysrevenge.com>

Well, I guess it wasn't THAT obvious, but I see what you mean!

Pete Haworth

On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Richmond wrote:

> On 01/21/2011 09:44 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> I'm probably missing something really obvious here but why do you need a naming convention for controls?  You already refer to them by what type of control they are (field "xyz", button "abc").  I'll disclose that I'm influenced by the development method I use where the name of a control defines various of its characteristics.
>> 
> 
> Aaah; well, if you are as warped as I am . . .
> 
> I ALWAYS use images as buttons, as I like to guarantee a unified look-and-feel
> as well as font consistency cross-platform.
> 
> I have been known to used graphic objects, video-payers and even fields as buttons.
> 
> Therefore, I, amongst others, might choose to use prefixes not to indicate what controls
> actually are, but what they are used for!
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From support at ahsomme.com  Fri Jan 21 15:55:03 2011
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:55:03 -0800
Subject: Popup button and DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimdZB39yHfLvrqXBT-zTsX1SB1ZJ2si_N2sXaTx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BA9C1E37-B549-4C41-AA67-CF9E7360E412@ahsomme.com>
	<AANLkTimdZB39yHfLvrqXBT-zTsX1SB1ZJ2si_N2sXaTx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5E1987A-B7C9-46C7-AA65-96284699286C@ahsomme.com>

Sorry zryip,
That did not work, though it looks like it should.
Still the same problem: the popup appears before the clicked line is  
hilited.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Paul Looney

On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:22 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Paul Looney <support at ahsomme.com>  
> wrote:
>> Help please.
>> I am trying to use a popup button with a datagrid.
>>
>> I have code, in the dg, that looks like this:
>>
>> on mouseDown
>>     popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
>> end mouseDown
>>
>> The popup works fine but the selected line in the dg is not  
>> hilited until
>> after something is selected in the popup. So, to the user, it  
>> looks like the
>> popup refers to the previously selected line.
>> I will probably solve it but figured someone on the list already  
>> has the
>> solution.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>
> Paul,
>
> on mouseDown
>    popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
>    pass mouseDown
> end mouseDown
>
>
> Best regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
>
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 21 15:59:15 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:59:15 -0800
Subject: Right Click on a datagrid column header
Message-ID: <F5CF6A4B-0CDA-48FC-A220-2427A102662A@mollysrevenge.com>

Can anyone provide some help on how to detect a right click on a datagrid column header and find out the name of the column that was clicked on and its top, left, bottom, right coordinates.

Thanks,

Pete Haworth
PS What's the naming convention for datagrids?  Are they groups or are they datagrids?




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri Jan 21 16:00:51 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:00:51 -0800
Subject: Popup button and DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <B5E1987A-B7C9-46C7-AA65-96284699286C@ahsomme.com>
References: <BA9C1E37-B549-4C41-AA67-CF9E7360E412@ahsomme.com>	<AANLkTimdZB39yHfLvrqXBT-zTsX1SB1ZJ2si_N2sXaTx@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5E1987A-B7C9-46C7-AA65-96284699286C@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <4D39F403.9010407@pdslabs.net>

Try using a mouseUp handler - maybe that will give the line time to hilite first.
Phil


On 1/21/11 12:55 PM, Paul Looney wrote:
> Sorry zryip,
> That did not work, though it looks like it should.
> Still the same problem: the popup appears before the clicked line is hilited.
> Thanks for the suggestion.
> Paul Looney
>
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:22 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Paul Looney <support at ahsomme.com> wrote:
>>> Help please.
>>> I am trying to use a popup button with a datagrid.
>>>
>>> I have code, in the dg, that looks like this:
>>>
>>> on mouseDown
>>>     popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
>>> end mouseDown
>>>
>>> The popup works fine but the selected line in the dg is not hilited until
>>> after something is selected in the popup. So, to the user, it looks like the
>>> popup refers to the previously selected line.
>>> I will probably solve it but figured someone on the list already has the
>>> solution.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> on mouseDown
>>    popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
>>    pass mouseDown
>> end mouseDown
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> -- 
>> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
>> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
>> preferences:
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>
>
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Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net




From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 21 16:23:37 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:23:37 -0800
Subject: Popup button and DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <4D39F403.9010407@pdslabs.net>
References: <BA9C1E37-B549-4C41-AA67-CF9E7360E412@ahsomme.com>	<AANLkTimdZB39yHfLvrqXBT-zTsX1SB1ZJ2si_N2sXaTx@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5E1987A-B7C9-46C7-AA65-96284699286C@ahsomme.com>
	<4D39F403.9010407@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <8FE23F7F-484D-42E5-ACF2-80DB07D6AF19@mollysrevenge.com>

You have to call the datagrid dgMouseDown handler in your mousedown handler.  Assuming your mouseDown handler is in the datagrid script, just call dgMousedown with the button number before you display your popup.  Otherwise, the datagrid doesn;t see the mousedown event until after your mousedown handler sees it.  No need to pass mouseDown either.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Try using a mouseUp handler - maybe that will give the line time to hilite first.
> Phil
> 
> 
> On 1/21/11 12:55 PM, Paul Looney wrote:
>> Sorry zryip,
>> That did not work, though it looks like it should.
>> Still the same problem: the popup appears before the clicked line is hilited.
>> Thanks for the suggestion.
>> Paul Looney
>> 
>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:22 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Paul Looney <support at ahsomme.com> wrote:
>>>> Help please.
>>>> I am trying to use a popup button with a datagrid.
>>>> 
>>>> I have code, in the dg, that looks like this:
>>>> 
>>>> on mouseDown
>>>>    popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
>>>> end mouseDown
>>>> 
>>>> The popup works fine but the selected line in the dg is not hilited until
>>>> after something is selected in the popup. So, to the user, it looks like the
>>>> popup refers to the previously selected line.
>>>> I will probably solve it but figured someone on the list already has the
>>>> solution.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Paul,
>>> 
>>> on mouseDown
>>>   popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
>>>   pass mouseDown
>>> end mouseDown
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> -- 
>>> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
>>> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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>> 
> 
> -- 
> Phil Davis
> 
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
> 
> 
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 16:32:25 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:32:25 +0100
Subject: Right Click on a datagrid column header
In-Reply-To: <F5CF6A4B-0CDA-48FC-A220-2427A102662A@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <F5CF6A4B-0CDA-48FC-A220-2427A102662A@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinUu9yt5i7-uE=agffae+=6F6w6bhh_xo4sNQRb@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:
> Can anyone provide some help on how to detect a right click on a datagrid column header and find out the name of the column that was clicked on and its top, left, bottom, right coordinates.

Pete,

Have a look to this lesson:
http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/8411-How-Do-I-Display-a-Contextual-Menu-When-the-User-Clicks-on-a-Column-Header-


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From calhorner at xtra.co.nz  Fri Jan 21 16:32:43 2011
From: calhorner at xtra.co.nz (Cal Horner)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:32:43 +1300 (New Zealand Daylight Time)
Subject: File Suffix
Message-ID: <4D39FB7A.000003.01220@CALS_BIG_PC>

O.K. Ken, given that there are companies in our business that have used more than a three char suffix. That still doesn't make it right. And I'll bet they didn't "change horses in midstream", so to speak.

From support at ahsomme.com  Fri Jan 21 16:38:56 2011
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:38:56 -0800
Subject: Popup button and DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <4D39F403.9010407@pdslabs.net>
References: <BA9C1E37-B549-4C41-AA67-CF9E7360E412@ahsomme.com>	<AANLkTimdZB39yHfLvrqXBT-zTsX1SB1ZJ2si_N2sXaTx@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5E1987A-B7C9-46C7-AA65-96284699286C@ahsomme.com>
	<4D39F403.9010407@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <F1ECB715-8BE6-4793-9CE6-770EA47D9481@ahsomme.com>

Phil,
I had already tried that - and it worked - but...
the popup popped up on the mouseUp
which was strange - especially if you hold down the mouse longer than  
usual.
Thanks.
Paul Looney

On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Try using a mouseUp handler - maybe that will give the line time to  
> hilite first.
> Phil
>
>
> On 1/21/11 12:55 PM, Paul Looney wrote:
>> Sorry zryip,
>> That did not work, though it looks like it should.
>> Still the same problem: the popup appears before the clicked line  
>> is hilited.
>> Thanks for the suggestion.
>> Paul Looney
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:22 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Paul Looney  
>>> <support at ahsomme.com> wrote:
>>>> Help please.
>>>> I am trying to use a popup button with a datagrid.
>>>>
>>>> I have code, in the dg, that looks like this:
>>>>
>>>> on mouseDown
>>>>     popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
>>>> end mouseDown
>>>>
>>>> The popup works fine but the selected line in the dg is not  
>>>> hilited until
>>>> after something is selected in the popup. So, to the user, it  
>>>> looks like the
>>>> popup refers to the previously selected line.
>>>> I will probably solve it but figured someone on the list already  
>>>> has the
>>>> solution.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Paul,
>>>
>>> on mouseDown
>>>    popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
>>>    pass mouseDown
>>> end mouseDown
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> -- 
>>> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
>>> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
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>
> -- 
> Phil Davis
>
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 21 16:41:13 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:41:13 -0600
Subject: Livecode IOS personnal + LiveCode Desktop commercial = 2 app
 ?
In-Reply-To: <7B931F6F-9BF2-455C-B318-C265F62DED76@laposte.net>
References: <7B931F6F-9BF2-455C-B318-C265F62DED76@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <4D39FD79.2040005@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/21/11 5:43 AM, Ludovic Th?bault wrote:
>
> I've a commercial licence of Livecode Desktop. I want to make an ios
> app, for me only (in first time). So if i bought the Livecode iOs
> personnal, i need to switch with the different app (one for develop
> for iOs, one for desktop app) ?

No, you can use the same app. You might have to re-license it the first 
time though.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From rjb at robelko.com  Fri Jan 21 15:52:01 2011
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:52:01 +0100
Subject: pinging or else network devices from livecode
Message-ID: <p0624080dc95f8f3322e1@[141.89.49.13]>

A weekend challenge for those who are bored, but not only...

I wonder whether it is possible to have a livecode stack that scans 
all IP addresses within a specific subnet to check whether devices 
are there. I am currently using Remote Desktop to do those scans 
manually but this is becoming boring and I'd like to run them more 
regularly, that is to automate the process.

For each scan, I need to get the list of active IP adresses in a 
specific subnet and the corresponding MAC addresses and hostnames 
(hostnames is easy with the hostaddresstoname function in livecode). 
I gather I could try opening a socket to some specific port. However, 
this needs to work with Macs (OS9 and OSX), Windows, Linux, NAS, 
printers, and cross switches to other subnets. Good old ping might 
suffice but how to do it in livecode?

The solution can be OSX-specific since it will run either under OSX 
Tiger or Leopeard (no Snow). Something like an automated IP Scan or 
Angry IP Scanner made in LiveCode. Using NMap through a shell call 
would be acceptable.

Robert



From support at ahsomme.com  Fri Jan 21 16:56:39 2011
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:56:39 -0800
Subject: Popup button and DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <8FE23F7F-484D-42E5-ACF2-80DB07D6AF19@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <BA9C1E37-B549-4C41-AA67-CF9E7360E412@ahsomme.com>	<AANLkTimdZB39yHfLvrqXBT-zTsX1SB1ZJ2si_N2sXaTx@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5E1987A-B7C9-46C7-AA65-96284699286C@ahsomme.com>
	<4D39F403.9010407@pdslabs.net>
	<8FE23F7F-484D-42E5-ACF2-80DB07D6AF19@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <3882B29F-932D-4A45-942A-95103B7D91BE@ahsomme.com>

Peter,
That makes sense but what is the syntax?
I tried putting:

on dgMouseDown
      -- various things
end dgMouseDown

but that handler never got called.
I tried:

on mouseDown
      send "dgMouseDown" to grp "Pending Orders Data Grid"
      popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
end mouseDown

which seemed to have no effect.
Seem to be really close now.
Paul Looney


On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> You have to call the datagrid dgMouseDown handler in your mousedown  
> handler.  Assuming your mouseDown handler is in the datagrid  
> script, just call dgMousedown with the button number before you  
> display your popup.  Otherwise, the datagrid doesn;t see the  
> mousedown event until after your mousedown handler sees it.  No  
> need to pass mouseDown either.
>
> Pete Haworth

>>>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Paul Looney  
>>>> <support at ahsomme.com> wrote:
>>>>> Help please.
>>>>> I am trying to use a popup button with a datagrid.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have code, in the dg, that looks like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> on mouseDown
>>>>>    popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
>>>>> end mouseDown
>>>>>
>>>>> The popup works fine but the selected line in the dg is not  
>>>>> hilited until
>>>>> after something is selected in the popup. So, to the user, it  
>>>>> looks like the
>>>>> popup refers to the previously selected line.
>>>>> I will probably solve it but figured someone on the list  
>>>>> already has the
>>>>> solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Paul,



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 21 17:00:47 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:00:47 -0800
Subject: Right Click on a datagrid column header
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinUu9yt5i7-uE=agffae+=6F6w6bhh_xo4sNQRb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F5CF6A4B-0CDA-48FC-A220-2427A102662A@mollysrevenge.com>
	<AANLkTinUu9yt5i7-uE=agffae+=6F6w6bhh_xo4sNQRb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F032362D-A023-457A-A923-5A576E3D87E4@mollysrevenge.com>

Thanks.  That tells me how to grab the right click on a header column, but I also need to know the coordinates of the column that was clicked on.  Any ideas?

Pete Haworth

On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:32 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:
>> Can anyone provide some help on how to detect a right click on a datagrid column header and find out the name of the column that was clicked on and its top, left, bottom, right coordinates.
> 
> Pete,
> 
> Have a look to this lesson:
> http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/8411-How-Do-I-Display-a-Contextual-Menu-When-the-User-Clicks-on-a-Column-Header-
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 21 17:02:43 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:02:43 -0800
Subject: Popup button and DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <3882B29F-932D-4A45-942A-95103B7D91BE@ahsomme.com>
References: <BA9C1E37-B549-4C41-AA67-CF9E7360E412@ahsomme.com>	<AANLkTimdZB39yHfLvrqXBT-zTsX1SB1ZJ2si_N2sXaTx@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5E1987A-B7C9-46C7-AA65-96284699286C@ahsomme.com>
	<4D39F403.9010407@pdslabs.net>
	<8FE23F7F-484D-42E5-ACF2-80DB07D6AF19@mollysrevenge.com>
	<3882B29F-932D-4A45-942A-95103B7D91BE@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <C912BB9E-D44F-4568-9F24-C2279D489231@mollysrevenge.com>

dgMouseDown is a handler provided with the datagrid library, not one you write.  Take a look at the following lesson - it explains it much better than I can!

http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7316-How-Do-I-Add-a-mouseDown-Event-To-The-Data-Grid-Without-Breaking-It-

Pete Haworth

On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Paul Looney wrote:

> Peter,
> That makes sense but what is the syntax?
> I tried putting:
> 
> on dgMouseDown
>     -- various things
> end dgMouseDown
> 
> but that handler never got called.
> I tried:
> 
> on mouseDown
>     send "dgMouseDown" to grp "Pending Orders Data Grid"
>     popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
> end mouseDown
> 
> which seemed to have no effect.
> Seem to be really close now.
> Paul Looney
> 
> 
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> 
>> You have to call the datagrid dgMouseDown handler in your mousedown handler.  Assuming your mouseDown handler is in the datagrid script, just call dgMousedown with the button number before you display your popup.  Otherwise, the datagrid doesn;t see the mousedown event until after your mousedown handler sees it.  No need to pass mouseDown either.
>> 
>> Pete Haworth
> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Paul Looney <support at ahsomme.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Help please.
>>>>>> I am trying to use a popup button with a datagrid.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have code, in the dg, that looks like this:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> on mouseDown
>>>>>>   popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
>>>>>> end mouseDown
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The popup works fine but the selected line in the dg is not hilited until
>>>>>> after something is selected in the popup. So, to the user, it looks like the
>>>>>> popup refers to the previously selected line.
>>>>>> I will probably solve it but figured someone on the list already has the
>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul,
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From support at ahsomme.com  Fri Jan 21 17:06:22 2011
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:06:22 -0800
Subject: Popup button and DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <C912BB9E-D44F-4568-9F24-C2279D489231@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <BA9C1E37-B549-4C41-AA67-CF9E7360E412@ahsomme.com>	<AANLkTimdZB39yHfLvrqXBT-zTsX1SB1ZJ2si_N2sXaTx@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5E1987A-B7C9-46C7-AA65-96284699286C@ahsomme.com>
	<4D39F403.9010407@pdslabs.net>
	<8FE23F7F-484D-42E5-ACF2-80DB07D6AF19@mollysrevenge.com>
	<3882B29F-932D-4A45-942A-95103B7D91BE@ahsomme.com>
	<C912BB9E-D44F-4568-9F24-C2279D489231@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <493DD51F-1AB6-4EB3-921B-CCDE1AB22FFC@ahsomme.com>

Peter,
Thanks for the quick response; I'm checking it out right now.
PL

On Jan 21, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> dgMouseDown is a handler provided with the datagrid library, not  
> one you write.  Take a look at the following lesson - it explains  
> it much better than I can!
>
> http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/ 
> 7316-How-Do-I-Add-a-mouseDown-Event-To-The-Data-Grid-Without- 
> Breaking-It-
>
> Pete Haworth
>
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Paul Looney wrote:
>
>> Peter,
>> That makes sense but what is the syntax?
>> I tried putting:
>>
>> on dgMouseDown
>>     -- various things
>> end dgMouseDown
>>
>> but that handler never got called.
>> I tried:
>>
>> on mouseDown
>>     send "dgMouseDown" to grp "Pending Orders Data Grid"
>>     popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
>> end mouseDown
>>
>> which seemed to have no effect.
>> Seem to be really close now.
>> Paul Looney
>>
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>
>>> You have to call the datagrid dgMouseDown handler in your  
>>> mousedown handler.  Assuming your mouseDown handler is in the  
>>> datagrid script, just call dgMousedown with the button number  
>>> before you display your popup.  Otherwise, the datagrid doesn;t  
>>> see the mousedown event until after your mousedown handler sees  
>>> it.  No need to pass mouseDown either.
>>>
>>> Pete Haworth
>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Paul Looney  
>>>>>> <support at ahsomme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Help please.
>>>>>>> I am trying to use a popup button with a datagrid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have code, in the dg, that looks like this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on mouseDown
>>>>>>>   popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
>>>>>>> end mouseDown
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The popup works fine but the selected line in the dg is not  
>>>>>>> hilited until
>>>>>>> after something is selected in the popup. So, to the user, it  
>>>>>>> looks like the
>>>>>>> popup refers to the previously selected line.
>>>>>>> I will probably solve it but figured someone on the list  
>>>>>>> already has the
>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul,
>>
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 21 17:07:17 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:07:17 -0800
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
Message-ID: <EA7C324F-8B23-48B2-A65D-F50BAF38FE5F@mollysrevenge.com>

I want to change the height of a stack.  No problem changing the height property but that causes both the top and the bottom of the stack to change positions and I want the top of the stack to stay where it is and all the height change to be added to the bottom.  The dictionary says the locklocation property does that but then I find that isn't available for a stack.   I see a locklocation check box in the property inspector for the card, but it's greyed out.

Sometimes the simplest things just aren't!

Pete Haworth











From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 17:08:03 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 23:08:03 +0100
Subject: Popup button and DataGrid
In-Reply-To: <3882B29F-932D-4A45-942A-95103B7D91BE@ahsomme.com>
References: <BA9C1E37-B549-4C41-AA67-CF9E7360E412@ahsomme.com>
	<AANLkTimdZB39yHfLvrqXBT-zTsX1SB1ZJ2si_N2sXaTx@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5E1987A-B7C9-46C7-AA65-96284699286C@ahsomme.com>
	<4D39F403.9010407@pdslabs.net>
	<8FE23F7F-484D-42E5-ACF2-80DB07D6AF19@mollysrevenge.com>
	<3882B29F-932D-4A45-942A-95103B7D91BE@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinUJn=soZr5wE4N3_TNS3PBXL_+4QiEq+kTY028@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Paul Looney <support at ahsomme.com> wrote:
> Peter,
> That makes sense but what is the syntax?
> I tried putting:
>
> on dgMouseDown
> ? ? -- various things
> end dgMouseDown
>
> but that handler never got called.
> I tried:
>
> on mouseDown
> ? ? send "dgMouseDown" to grp "Pending Orders Data Grid"
> ? ? popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
> end mouseDown
>
> which seemed to have no effect.
> Seem to be really close now.

on mouseDown
   dgMouseDown 1
   popup btn "Selected Orders Popup"
end mouseDown


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Jan 21 17:12:48 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 23:12:48 +0100
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <EA7C324F-8B23-48B2-A65D-F50BAF38FE5F@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <EA7C324F-8B23-48B2-A65D-F50BAF38FE5F@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <EA126839-6478-4853-9E2D-387592616BA6@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Peter,

> I want to change the height of a stack.  No problem changing the height property but that causes both the top and the bottom of the stack to change positions and I want the top of the stack to stay where it is and all the height change to be added to the bottom.  The dictionary says the locklocation property does that but then I find that isn't available for a stack.   I see a locklocation check box in the property inspector for the card, but it's greyed out.

I think "lockloc" does not apply to stacks.

> Sometimes the simplest things just aren't!

Modify the RECT of the stack like this:
...
put the rect of this stack into tRex

## make the stack 100 pixel "higher"
add 100 to item 4 of tRect
set the rect of this stack to tRex
...

You get the picture :-)

> Pete Haworth

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jan 21 17:13:28 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:13:28 -0800
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <EA7C324F-8B23-48B2-A65D-F50BAF38FE5F@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <C95F4508.506E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Peter Haworth wrote:

> I want to change the height of a stack.  No problem changing the height
> property but that causes both the top and the bottom of the stack to change
> positions and I want the top of the stack to stay where it is and all the
> height change to be added to the bottom.  The dictionary says the locklocation
> property does that but then I find that isn't available for a stack.   I see a
> locklocation check box in the property inspector for the card, but it's greyed
> out.

Via script:
Put the rect of the stack into a variable, adjust the value of the 4th item
as needed, set the rect of your stack to the variable.

Maybe somebody else knows a built-in way.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 21 17:22:34 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:22:34 -0800
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <C95F4508.506E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C95F4508.506E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <0EAE2589-7C0C-46C2-8071-E37C238C2A66@mollysrevenge.com>

Thanks Scott and Klaus, that works for me.  Anyone know why the card property inspector lockloc check box for the card is greyed out?

Pete Haworth

On Jan 21, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Peter Haworth wrote:
> 
>> I want to change the height of a stack.  No problem changing the height
>> property but that causes both the top and the bottom of the stack to change
>> positions and I want the top of the stack to stay where it is and all the
>> height change to be added to the bottom.  The dictionary says the locklocation
>> property does that but then I find that isn't available for a stack.   I see a
>> locklocation check box in the property inspector for the card, but it's greyed
>> out.
> 
> Via script:
> Put the rect of the stack into a variable, adjust the value of the 4th item
> as needed, set the rect of your stack to the variable.
> 
> Maybe somebody else knows a built-in way.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 17:23:15 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 23:23:15 +0100
Subject: Right Click on a datagrid column header
In-Reply-To: <F032362D-A023-457A-A923-5A576E3D87E4@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <F5CF6A4B-0CDA-48FC-A220-2427A102662A@mollysrevenge.com>
	<AANLkTinUu9yt5i7-uE=agffae+=6F6w6bhh_xo4sNQRb@mail.gmail.com>
	<F032362D-A023-457A-A923-5A576E3D87E4@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=6JwVB_dab_VBA9jzGm2x3A04B+_szcDApzDaZ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:
> Thanks. ?That tells me how to grab the right click on a header column, but I also need to know the coordinates of the column that was clicked on. ?Any ideas?

Pete,

In the datagrid group script:

on mouseDown pMouseBtn
   dgMouseDown pMouseBtn
   if (the dgHeaderControl of the target is not empty) then
      put the rect of the dgHeaderControl of the target
   end if
end mouseDown


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 21 17:30:14 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:30:14 -0800
Subject: Right Click on a datagrid column header
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=6JwVB_dab_VBA9jzGm2x3A04B+_szcDApzDaZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F5CF6A4B-0CDA-48FC-A220-2427A102662A@mollysrevenge.com>
	<AANLkTinUu9yt5i7-uE=agffae+=6F6w6bhh_xo4sNQRb@mail.gmail.com>
	<F032362D-A023-457A-A923-5A576E3D87E4@mollysrevenge.com>
	<AANLkTi=6JwVB_dab_VBA9jzGm2x3A04B+_szcDApzDaZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <061DC9BB-9A72-4ADE-AF90-3C8351C790D2@mollysrevenge.com>

Great, thanks!

Pete Haworth

On Jan 21, 2011, at 2:23 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:
>> Thanks.  That tells me how to grab the right click on a header column, but I also need to know the coordinates of the column that was clicked on.  Any ideas?
> 
> Pete,
> 
> In the datagrid group script:
> 
> on mouseDown pMouseBtn
>   dgMouseDown pMouseBtn
>   if (the dgHeaderControl of the target is not empty) then
>      put the rect of the dgHeaderControl of the target
>   end if
> end mouseDown
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 21 17:42:27 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:42:27 -0600
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <0EAE2589-7C0C-46C2-8071-E37C238C2A66@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <C95F4508.506E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<0EAE2589-7C0C-46C2-8071-E37C238C2A66@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <4D3A0BD3.4020701@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/21/11 4:22 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Thanks Scott and Klaus, that works for me.  Anyone know why the card
> property inspector lockloc check box for the card is greyed out?

Because it doesn't apply. Lockloc only applies to objects that change 
size automatically when redrawn (like images) or which can be moved by 
the mouse. In those cases you lock them so that they either won't 
resize, or so you won't accidentally move them around. You can't drag 
cards around inside the stack window, and their dimensions never change 
unless you specifically do it, so there is nothing to lock.

Stacks don't have a lockloc property either. You can always drag them by 
their titlebar if it's showing, and their dimensions are fixed and never 
change automatically. Instead, we have the resizeable property to 
prevent user resizing, and we can hide the titlebar to prevent dragging.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From DunbarX at aol.com  Fri Jan 21 17:48:21 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:48:21 EST
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
Message-ID: <6c36.1b4a450e.3a6b6735@aol.com>

Good ol' Jacques!


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan 21 18:01:02 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:01:02 +0100
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <4D3A0BD3.4020701@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C95F4508.506E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<0EAE2589-7C0C-46C2-8071-E37C238C2A66@mollysrevenge.com>
	<4D3A0BD3.4020701@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin4Sd74nN8f1tWNKWtoQ2auMWE8+A+MjSQUrGz2@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:42 PM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Stacks don't have a lockloc property either. You can always drag them by
> their titlebar if it's showing, and their dimensions are fixed and never
> change automatically. Instead, we have the resizeable property to prevent
> user resizing, and we can hide the titlebar to prevent dragging.

We can hide the window to prevent bugs?

Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 21 18:01:11 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:01:11 -0600
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <6c36.1b4a450e.3a6b6735@aol.com>
References: <6c36.1b4a450e.3a6b6735@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D3A1037.3020906@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/21/11 4:48 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> Good ol' Jacques!
>

If you're coming to RevLive, I can pay you your annual flattery bribe in 
person.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 18:12:30 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:12:30 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <8F6D20C1-2918-4884-98C5-B95C770A78BC@fiberworld.nl>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<8F6D20C1-2918-4884-98C5-B95C770A78BC@fiberworld.nl>
Message-ID: <E0846380-68D9-4D6C-AB21-FDA3A6461E9A@mac.com>

Clasudi,

Hey that's great that you got yours today. I really like this little thing. And I like that it is cheap enough to include in some permanent projects. The Xbee and some other boards are more expensive but my be really helpful. I think it would be great to discuss this off list especially after the serial problem is overcome. That way anyone reading through the list can see what efforts were made and how to get around them.

I am starting to think that the code I am using on the Arduino is what is hanging LC up. What script were you using? I haven't tried to send anything serious to the board yet but did get to see the rx led light up like you said.

Hopefully we can have a formula for future users.

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:

> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Well, I recieved my arduino yesterday and started experimenting. I can upload a scetch to the board and it functions well.
> I can also communicate with it via ZTerm. (send and recieve)
> 
> Now the most important part: communicating with it via livecode.
> Alas this gives me trouble aswell. Here is what I got.
> 
> Using Mark's code from the makeboard to get the OSXDeviceNames() and with the arduino connected I see the following:
> (it's important to have the board connected otherwise I don't see those modems)
> 
> usbmodem3a21
> /dev/tty.usbmodem3a21
> /dev/cu.usbmodem3a21
> Bluetooth-PDA-Sync
> /dev/tty.Bluetooth-PDA-Sync
> .....       ......
> etc.
> 
> Further I can open a driver with: open driver "/dev/cu.usbmodem3a21" 
> and see a result on the board, it's resetting (as in the manual so this is as should be)
> I can also close the driver.
> I haven't been able to recieve data from the board, but I am able to send something to the board.
> I send it a 1 and on the board I have a scetch which checks if it recieves data. If it recieves data,
> it will send the same data out with a delay of 500 millis. So when I send data from livecode
> I see the Rx led light and thereafter I see the Tx light, which means the board did recieve something and sends
> the incomming data back out.
> Now I am gonna try to figure out what it recieves and what it sends. (Probably I am gonna hook the whole bit up to a scope
> so I can see what's going on on a electrical level)
> 
> If I use open file instead of driver it doesn't work. If I use the /dev/tty.usbmodem3a21 instead of  /dev/cu.usbmodem3a21
> livecode hangs with the beachball and I have to force quit.
> 
> Well that's as far as I got till now.
> Perhaps it would be a good idea to discuss/collaborate some of our effords/failings etc. offlist.
> As soon as I have something more I will contact you. Feel free to mail me with your addional results/questions/suggestions etc.
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
>    Claudi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 21 jan 2011, at 07:19, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> Actually, as long as data is coming from the Arduino the app works. The data comes in and fills the field. But after the data stops being sent the system hangs. Until I push the button on the Arduino to send more data in which case the beach ball goes away and the new data gets received again.
>> 
>> It's like as long as data keeps everything is fine. I can even close the port in the middle of getting data but If it gets to the end of the current stream the system hangs and I can't even close the port. I put code in to close the port after data stops and that is working I think but the system still hangs like it's waiting for more.
>> 
>> 
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>> 
>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> 
>>> OK well I can read the data from the USB Serial Modem -- but -- after it is done the app hangs. 
>>> 
>>> So I can open the port and then read the port and I think close the port but the system hangs.
>>> 
>>> HELP.... ??
>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It seems if I set the EOL to CRLF things work partly. i.e. The numbers show up in the field BUT the script keeps looping and will not stop causing the beach ball.
>>>> 
>>>> Sarah's code:
>>>> on readPort
>>>> if the hilite of btn "Port open" = true then
>>>> 
>>>> if recEOL is "empty" then resetEOL
>>>> 
>>>> put the label of btn "Port" into thePort
>>>> if the hilite of btn "OS X" then
>>>>   read from file thePort until recEOL
>>>> else
>>>>   read from file thePort until recEOL
>>>> end if
>>>> if it is not empty then put it after fld "recField"
>>>> if last char of fld "recField" <> cr then put cr after fld "recField"
>>>> send readPort to me in 5 ticks
>>>> end if
>>>> end readPort
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> UPDATE: Something is working but makes no sense.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Found a few terminal screen ideas but they are outside of Livecode. No good.
>>>>> Found a few applescript examples but would rather keep this crossplatform if possible and a LC to OSC solution would work on iOS but applescript would not. Not best but may have to go this route.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Found a few softwares that access the USB modem (not FTDI serial emulation) as serial which leads me to believe LC can still do this even with the change from software emulation of a serial port to the hardware emulation of a serial port. So I looked again at Sarah's serialTest stack.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had to manually add the /dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 and /dev/cu.usbmodem1a21 to the popup menu. Then find replace driver with file in five places in the stack. Now most of the other solutions use the tty but two use the cu so I tested both. Major hang and LC not responding in Force Quit Window. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Command period no good.
>>>>> Esc no good.
>>>>> Force quit. quits but no good and driver may still be open.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Unplug Arduino Uno and plug it back in. HUH Serial Input Shows Up In Field !!!!!! Beach ball of almost death goes away. Also port is now closed I think. Also Arduino Tx led not lighting anymore - should be though. Wait replug Arduino rest button on Arduino and serial Tx led is working again. But no longer connected to LC. Try again. Open cu port and beach ball of almost death shows up - LC not responding in Force Quit Window - Unplug Arduino and field fills up with serial data. THe data is a bunch of 1 and 0 based on blinking led.
>>>>> 
>>>>> SO this seems to say it is connecting but not communicating well. Not knowing enough about serial commands I am not sure what is causing the hang and not responding??? They are both set to 9600. I read somewhere that the trailing bit is or should be ignored.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there another way to connect via message box with out clutter from other settings ? Any ideas on what the culprit is here?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for staying with me on this one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jacque-
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Saturday, January 15, 2011, 7:31:30 PM, you wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There's no USB support per se, so if the device doesn't present itself
>>>>>>> as a serial port device it won't work.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The path you use when you open a serial port as a file is the same one
>>>>>>> you'd use in shell -- use the "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" path you 
>>>>>>> mentioned. Also, see if you can talk to it in shell just as a test.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That should work then, since the Arduino driver has always presented
>>>>>> itself as a serial port.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> -Mark Wieder
>>>>>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 18:14:16 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:14:16 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <684430.8084.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <684430.8084.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F35641F3-9F05-451A-86C8-54EC2BAD0209@mac.com>

Jan,

I think you are right. I originally was checking both the result and it and somewhere along the way just focused on it. So I will append the in 2 secs and check the result.

Thanks for the heads up on this.

Let you know what happens.

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 21, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
>> Actually, as long as data is coming
>> from the Arduino the app works. The data comes in and fills
>> the field. But after the data stops being sent the system
>> hangs. Until I push the button on the Arduino to send more
>> data in which case the beach ball goes away and the new data
>> gets received again.
>> 
>> It's like as long as data keeps everything is fine. I can
>> even close the port in the middle of getting data but If it
>> gets to the end of the current stream the system hangs and I
>> can't even close the port. I put code in to close the port
>> after data stops and that is working I think but the system
>> still hangs like it's waiting for more.
>> 
>> 
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> 
> 
> Your 'read' is blocking the rest of the application. Try appending 'in 2 seconds" to the end of each 'read' statement, and check the result to see if it is 'time out' before processing the context of the special local variable 'it'.
> 
> I shot myself in the foot with that during my experiment of running a java helper app for JmDNS.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
> www.quartam.com
> 
> =====
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> 
> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 18:19:24 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:19:24 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <4D3960B8.5030305@cogapp.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<4D3960B8.5030305@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <B954E9E5-914E-41EC-B7CF-F5F3E7D45E9B@mac.com>

Ben,

This did help. When trouble shooting I think I changed too many variables. I need to get back to square one and start again now that I have made some progress.

Let you know when I come up with something.

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 21, 2011, at 5:32 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> Tom,
> 
> Caveats: I've not tried connecting to an Arduino, and I've done almost nothing with serial generally... so I don't really know what I'm talk about.  But, when I was working with GPS (which are USB with FTDI etc pretending to be serial) I found two things:
> 
> a) I know this is obvious, but it really matters that you get the serial parameters right - getting the right speed is only part of it, if you get the rest wrong you may get it seeming to work but it will be unreliable.  I've no reason to think you haven't done this, I just thought it was worth mentioning.
> 
> b) More usefully perhaps, the code you quote below is reading from the port until (rec)eol; I would expect that this may be where it's hanging (and displaying the spinning pizza).  The GPS unit was also supposed to speak to in complete lines, but I found that rather than rely on this, I did better by having a regularly scheduled task that read whatever was available on the serial line, and added it to an internal buffer.  Any time new data was read, it then called another function to take all complete lines out of the buffer and process them.  This was using read from driver instead of read from file, as the former allows you to issue a read command which returns either when a certain quantity of date has been read (I settled on 10 lines at a time) or a time limit has been exceeded.  I'm not sure if you have the option to read from driver instead of file, or whether you can use a similar mode with read from file; but at any rate, I'd expect your spinning pizza might occur when read from file is waiting for EOL.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
> On 21/01/2011 06:19, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> Actually, as long as data is coming from the Arduino the app works. The data comes in and fills the field. But after the data stops being sent the system hangs. Until I push the button on the Arduino to send more data in which case the beach ball goes away and the new data gets received again.
>> 
>> It's like as long as data keeps everything is fine. I can even close the port in the middle of getting data but If it gets to the end of the current stream the system hangs and I can't even close the port. I put code in to close the port after data stops and that is working I think but the system still hangs like it's waiting for more.
>> 
>> 
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>> 
>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:12 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> 
>>> OK well I can read the data from the USB Serial Modem -- but -- after it is done the app hangs.
>>> 
>>> So I can open the port and then read the port and I think close the port but the system hangs.
>>> 
>>> HELP.... ??
>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It seems if I set the EOL to CRLF things work partly. i.e. The numbers show up in the field BUT the script keeps looping and will not stop causing the beach ball.
>>>> 
>>>> Sarah's code:
>>>> on readPort
>>>> if the hilite of btn "Port open" = true then
>>>> 
>>>>   if recEOL is "empty" then resetEOL
>>>> 
>>>>   put the label of btn "Port" into thePort
>>>>   if the hilite of btn "OS X" then
>>>>     read from file thePort until recEOL
>>>>   else
>>>>     read from file thePort until recEOL
>>>>   end if
>>>>   if it is not empty then put it after fld "recField"
>>>>   if last char of fld "recField"<>  cr then put cr after fld "recField"
>>>>   send readPort to me in 5 ticks
>>>> end if
>>>> end readPort
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:05 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> UPDATE: Something is working but makes no sense.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Found a few terminal screen ideas but they are outside of Livecode. No good.
>>>>> Found a few applescript examples but would rather keep this crossplatform if possible and a LC to OSC solution would work on iOS but applescript would not. Not best but may have to go this route.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Found a few softwares that access the USB modem (not FTDI serial emulation) as serial which leads me to believe LC can still do this even with the change from software emulation of a serial port to the hardware emulation of a serial port. So I looked again at Sarah's serialTest stack.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had to manually add the /dev/tty.usbmodem1a21 and /dev/cu.usbmodem1a21 to the popup menu. Then find replace driver with file in five places in the stack. Now most of the other solutions use the tty but two use the cu so I tested both. Major hang and LC not responding in Force Quit Window.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Command period no good.
>>>>> Esc no good.
>>>>> Force quit. quits but no good and driver may still be open.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Unplug Arduino Uno and plug it back in. HUH Serial Input Shows Up In Field !!!!!! Beach ball of almost death goes away. Also port is now closed I think. Also Arduino Tx led not lighting anymore - should be though. Wait replug Arduino rest button on Arduino and serial Tx led is working again. But no longer connected to LC. Try again. Open cu port and beach ball of almost death shows up - LC not responding in Force Quit Window - Unplug Arduino and field fills up with serial data. THe data is a bunch of 1 and 0 based on blinking led.
>>>>> 
>>>>> SO this seems to say it is connecting but not communicating well. Not knowing enough about serial commands I am not sure what is causing the hang and not responding??? They are both set to 9600. I read somewhere that the trailing bit is or should be ignored.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there another way to connect via message box with out clutter from other settings ? Any ideas on what the culprit is here?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for staying with me on this one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jacque-
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Saturday, January 15, 2011, 7:31:30 PM, you wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There's no USB support per se, so if the device doesn't present itself
>>>>>>> as a serial port device it won't work.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The path you use when you open a serial port as a file is the same one
>>>>>>> you'd use in shell -- use the "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" path you
>>>>>>> mentioned. Also, see if you can talk to it in shell just as a test.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That should work then, since the Arduino driver has always presented
>>>>>> itself as a serial port.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> -Mark Wieder
>>>>>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
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From irog at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 18:43:47 2011
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:43:47 -0700
Subject: Rev Online Upload Problems
Message-ID: <5F0A783A-6EBC-4116-AB20-55FF4BF94064@mac.com>

I know that there has been some discussion about the unreliability of uploading to Rev Online, but does anyone know if there is size limit?

Thanks and cheers,

Roger Guay



From jmyepes at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 19:22:20 2011
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:22:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Move many buttons all at same time
In-Reply-To: <F95460C6-51A5-4683-8C6F-141511BC6DAD@derbrill.de>
References: <1295607871260-3229365.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<F95460C6-51A5-4683-8C6F-141511BC6DAD@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <1295655740085-3230884.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi,

Yes, now they are moving at same time but from the step 1 to step 4
directly... I have a group of steps that each button must go. But only I get
move from step 1 to step 4.

I read 4 times the 6 buttons locations, but I don't see why not work :(


 set itemdel to tab

   repeat with x=0 to 4
      aeLockMoves
      
      repeat with j=1 to 6 
         
         set itemdel to tab
         put item 2 of line j+(6*x) of fld "f_punts" into tObjecte
         put value(item 1 of line j of fld "f_punts") into tPosicio
         set itemdel to comma
         put item 1 of tPosicio into pLocationX
         put item 2 of tPosicio into pLocationY
         ? ? ? ? 
         aeMoveTo the long id of btn tObjecte of stack "s_tactiques_futbol"
, pLocationX,pLocationY, 4500,any item of "in,out,inout,bounce,overshoot"
         
      end repeat

      aeUnlockMoves
   end repeat
   
   

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From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl  Fri Jan 21 19:31:00 2011
From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 01:31:00 +0100
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <16813720-D24C-4F3C-8844-4EF3C36D9C35@fiberworld.nl>



I just realize it's not only the os version that's different. My macbook has a older version of livecode aswell.
Some more sleuthing to do.
First thing, sometime tomorrow or this weekend.
Keep you posted.

Best wishes,
   Claudi


From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl  Fri Jan 21 19:36:18 2011
From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 01:36:18 +0100
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>


Tom,

Which version combination are you using?

Best wishes,
 Claudi



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 21 19:57:34 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete (Molly's Revenge))
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:57:34 -0800
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <4D3A0BD3.4020701@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C95F4508.506E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<0EAE2589-7C0C-46C2-8071-E37C238C2A66@mollysrevenge.com>
	<4D3A0BD3.4020701@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikq-TpvOcjK3yUqu+vCQtCe=f4sxaCSkfLqWR=m@mail.gmail.com>

So why is the checkbox even there?  And, with respect, there is something to
lock - the top left of the card when you change its height via script,
that's all I want to use it for.
Pete

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:42 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 1/21/11 4:22 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> Thanks Scott and Klaus, that works for me.  Anyone know why the card
>> property inspector lockloc check box for the card is greyed out?
>>
>
> Because it doesn't apply. Lockloc only applies to objects that change size
> automatically when redrawn (like images) or which can be moved by the mouse.
> In those cases you lock them so that they either won't resize, or so you
> won't accidentally move them around. You can't drag cards around inside the
> stack window, and their dimensions never change unless you specifically do
> it, so there is nothing to lock.
>
> Stacks don't have a lockloc property either. You can always drag them by
> their titlebar if it's showing, and their dimensions are fixed and never
> change automatically. Instead, we have the resizeable property to prevent
> user resizing, and we can hide the titlebar to prevent dragging.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 19:57:40 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 19:57:40 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
Message-ID: <2BCC779A-0F97-494C-B47D-4DD8453833AE@mac.com>

LIvecode 4.5.2 and 4.5.3(rc4)
Arduino Uno 0022


Sarah's SerialTest stack modified with the MakeBoard code for finding the port name since the SerialTest stack does not find the port. 


Arduino Code which works from Serial Monitor within Arduino IDE but not from LiveCode:

/*Simple Serial  
   Language: Arduino/Wiring
   
   Listens for an incoming serial byte, adds one to the byte 
   and sends the result back out serially.  Also blinks an LED 
   on pin 13 every half second.
*/
int LEDPin = 13;             // you can use any digital I/O pin you want
int inByte = 0;              // variable to hold incoming serial data
long blinkTimer = 0;         // keeps track of how long since the LED 
                             // was last turned off
int blinkInterval = 1000;    // a full second from on to off to on again

void setup() {
  pinMode(LEDPin, OUTPUT);    // set pin 13 to be an output
  Serial.begin(9600);         // configure the serial port for 9600 bps 
                              // data rate.
}

void loop() {
  // if there are any incoming serial bytes available to read:
  if (Serial.available() > 0) {
    // then read the first available byte:
    inByte = Serial.read();
    // and add one to it, then send the result out:
    Serial.print(inByte+1, BYTE);
  }
  
  // Meanwhile, keep blinking the LED.
  // after a quarter of a second, turn the LED on:
  if (millis() - blinkTimer >= blinkInterval / 2) {
    digitalWrite(LEDPin, HIGH);      // turn the LED on pin 13 on 
  }
  // after a half a second, turn the LED off and reset the timer:
  if (millis() - blinkTimer >= blinkInterval) {
    digitalWrite(LEDPin, LOW);        // turn the LED off
    blinkTimer = millis();            // reset the timer
  }
}

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:

> 
> Tom,
> 
> Which version combination are you using?
> 
> Best wishes,
> Claudi
> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 21 19:58:18 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 19:58:18 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
Message-ID: <6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>

Do you have a more simple stack for LC? I just want to see if it connects...

Thanks

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:

> 
> Tom,
> 
> Which version combination are you using?
> 
> Best wishes,
> Claudi
> 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jan 21 20:24:18 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:24:18 -0800
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikq-TpvOcjK3yUqu+vCQtCe=f4sxaCSkfLqWR=m@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C95F4508.506E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<0EAE2589-7C0C-46C2-8071-E37C238C2A66@mollysrevenge.com>
	<4D3A0BD3.4020701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikq-TpvOcjK3yUqu+vCQtCe=f4sxaCSkfLqWR=m@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <955ABDF0-504A-4CE2-8D02-5E1D027EAF3F@tactilemedia.com>

Hi Pete:

If I understand what you're saying, you can't have a card that's a different size than the stack it resides in.  Whenever you size a stack, you size the cards within it.  The card's topLeft is always 0,0. You can't lock the position of a card or stack (aside from Jacque's suggestion to remove the stack's title bar), which is why the checkbox is greyed out.  The checkbox is present because you CAN lock the position of an object on a card -- as soon as you select an object, the checkbox becomes enabled.

The rect property mentioned earlier in this thread is the way to resize things quickly and in whatever direction you want.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design

On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:57 PM, "Pete (Molly's Revenge)" <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:

> So why is the checkbox even there?  And, with respect, there is something to
> lock - the top left of the card when you change its height via script,
> that's all I want to use it for.
> Pete
> 
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:42 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
> 
>> On 1/21/11 4:22 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Scott and Klaus, that works for me.  Anyone know why the card
>>> property inspector lockloc check box for the card is greyed out?
>>> 
>> 
>> Because it doesn't apply. Lockloc only applies to objects that change size
>> automatically when redrawn (like images) or which can be moved by the mouse.
>> In those cases you lock them so that they either won't resize, or so you
>> won't accidentally move them around. You can't drag cards around inside the
>> stack window, and their dimensions never change unless you specifically do
>> it, so there is nothing to lock.
>> 
>> Stacks don't have a lockloc property either. You can always drag them by
>> their titlebar if it's showing, and their dimensions are fixed and never
>> change automatically. Instead, we have the resizeable property to prevent
>> user resizing, and we can hide the titlebar to prevent dragging.
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jan 21 20:28:32 2011
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 01:28:32 +0000
Subject: pinging or else network devices from livecode
In-Reply-To: <p0624080dc95f8f3322e1@[141.89.49.13]>
References: <p0624080dc95f8f3322e1@[141.89.49.13]>
Message-ID: <4D3A32C0.90104@tweedly.net>

You can't do ping directly from LC - LC only supports UDP and TCP 
sockets, not ICMP or raw.

You could do it via shell - but too many devices may not respond to ping.

Do you want to find all active IP addresses on your own subnet, or on 
any arbitrary subnet ?
If it's on your own, then here's what I'd do

- try opening a UDP socket to each IP address
- use shell / arp to see what's there.

every device should respond to an arp request, so this is much more 
likely to find all active devices.

If you prefer code (I took a shortcut and cheated on the subnet range, 
but you can fix that easily :-)
> on mouseUp
>    put empty into field "F"
>    repeat with i = 1 to 255
>       put "192.168.1." & i & ":8080" into tSocket
>       open datagram socket to tSocket
>    end repeat
>    put shell("arp -n -a") into temp
>    filter temp without "*(incomplete)*"
>    put temp into field "F"
> end mouseUp

If you want to do it for arbitrary subnets that you may not be on, then 
I can't offhand think of anything better than shell/ping.

-- Alex.

On 21/01/2011 20:52, Robert Brenstein wrote:
> A weekend challenge for those who are bored, but not only...
>
> I wonder whether it is possible to have a livecode stack that scans 
> all IP addresses within a specific subnet to check whether devices are 
> there. I am currently using Remote Desktop to do those scans manually 
> but this is becoming boring and I'd like to run them more regularly, 
> that is to automate the process.
>
> For each scan, I need to get the list of active IP adresses in a 
> specific subnet and the corresponding MAC addresses and hostnames 
> (hostnames is easy with the hostaddresstoname function in livecode). I 
> gather I could try opening a socket to some specific port. However, 
> this needs to work with Macs (OS9 and OSX), Windows, Linux, NAS, 
> printers, and cross switches to other subnets. Good old ping might 
> suffice but how to do it in livecode?
>
> The solution can be OSX-specific since it will run either under OSX 
> Tiger or Leopeard (no Snow). Something like an automated IP Scan or 
> Angry IP Scanner made in LiveCode. Using NMap through a shell call 
> would be acceptable.
>
> Robert
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 21 20:31:45 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 19:31:45 -0600
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikq-TpvOcjK3yUqu+vCQtCe=f4sxaCSkfLqWR=m@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C95F4508.506E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<0EAE2589-7C0C-46C2-8071-E37C238C2A66@mollysrevenge.com>	<4D3A0BD3.4020701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikq-TpvOcjK3yUqu+vCQtCe=f4sxaCSkfLqWR=m@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D3A3381.1040409@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/21/11 6:57 PM, Pete (Molly's Revenge) wrote:
> So why is the checkbox even there?

Don't know. It was probably easier to leave it in place and disable it 
than to remove it and move everything else up. It probably shouldn't be 
there, I agree it gives the impression that it could be used for something.

> And, with respect, there is something to
> lock - the top left of the card when you change its height via script,
> that's all I want to use it for.

But lockloc doesn't restrict that for any object. For what you want, you 
need to manipulate the rect of the object, whether it's a stack, a 
button, or anything else. Size always changes from the center outward.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 21 20:32:51 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 19:32:51 -0600
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin4Sd74nN8f1tWNKWtoQ2auMWE8+A+MjSQUrGz2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C95F4508.506E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<0EAE2589-7C0C-46C2-8071-E37C238C2A66@mollysrevenge.com>	<4D3A0BD3.4020701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTin4Sd74nN8f1tWNKWtoQ2auMWE8+A+MjSQUrGz2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D3A33C3.8050102@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/21/11 5:01 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:42 PM, J. Landman Gay
> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>  wrote:
>
>> Stacks don't have a lockloc property either. You can always drag them by
>> their titlebar if it's showing, and their dimensions are fixed and never
>> change automatically. Instead, we have the resizeable property to prevent
>> user resizing, and we can hide the titlebar to prevent dragging.
>
> We can hide the window to prevent bugs?

Yes. :) And if you also don't use any objects or scripts, your stack 
will be perfectly stable.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 21 20:43:32 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:43:32 -0800
Subject: File Suffix
In-Reply-To: <4D39FB7A.000003.01220@CALS_BIG_PC>
References: <4D39FB7A.000003.01220@CALS_BIG_PC>
Message-ID: <DEC11002-38F3-45A5-BF9D-0752CC6B5C46@twft.com>

Well a horse and buggy used to be the accepted more of transportation, until those pesky engineers decided to ignore the long standing conventions and invent a car. Darn them all! Darn them to heck!!!

Bob


On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Cal Horner wrote:

> O.K. Ken, given that there are companies in our business that have used more than a three char suffix. That still doesn't make it right. And I'll bet they didn't "change horses in midstream", so to speak.
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 21 20:46:47 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:46:47 -0800
Subject: pinging or else network devices from livecode
In-Reply-To: <p0624080dc95f8f3322e1@[141.89.49.13]>
References: <p0624080dc95f8f3322e1@[141.89.49.13]>
Message-ID: <D80C4262-DB5C-4D00-A9E6-0A5AF89445D2@twft.com>

Once you ping an address you can shell to get the arp table. Use arp -a. BTW have you looked at Spiceworks? They have an incredible scan engine that gets just about anything with a management protocol. AND it's FREE!

Bob


On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> A weekend challenge for those who are bored, but not only...
> 
> I wonder whether it is possible to have a livecode stack that scans all IP addresses within a specific subnet to check whether devices are there. I am currently using Remote Desktop to do those scans manually but this is becoming boring and I'd like to run them more regularly, that is to automate the process.
> 
> For each scan, I need to get the list of active IP adresses in a specific subnet and the corresponding MAC addresses and hostnames (hostnames is easy with the hostaddresstoname function in livecode). I gather I could try opening a socket to some specific port. However, this needs to work with Macs (OS9 and OSX), Windows, Linux, NAS, printers, and cross switches to other subnets. Good old ping might suffice but how to do it in livecode?
> 
> The solution can be OSX-specific since it will run either under OSX Tiger or Leopeard (no Snow). Something like an automated IP Scan or Angry IP Scanner made in LiveCode. Using NMap through a shell call would be acceptable.
> 
> Robert
> 
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 21 22:20:29 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Pete (Molly's Revenge))
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 19:20:29 -0800
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <4D3A3381.1040409@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C95F4508.506E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<0EAE2589-7C0C-46C2-8071-E37C238C2A66@mollysrevenge.com>
	<4D3A0BD3.4020701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikq-TpvOcjK3yUqu+vCQtCe=f4sxaCSkfLqWR=m@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D3A3381.1040409@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin9ewXPemcX1nshT9=Vmd4_Mzpmkej3KPzaX-83@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I guess I was misled by the dictionary then because it says:

   If a control's *lockLocation* property is false, when you change its
height, it shrinks or grows from the center:  the control's top and bottom
edges both shift, while its location property stays the same. If the
control's *lockLocation* property is true, it shrinks or grows from the top
left corner: the control's top edge stays in the same place, and the bottom
edge moves.


That's exactly what I want to happen with the card.


But changing the rectangle works as well so at least I can do what need to
do.

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 5:31 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 1/21/11 6:57 PM, Pete (Molly's Revenge) wrote:
>
>> So why is the checkbox even there?
>>
>
> Don't know. It was probably easier to leave it in place and disable it than
> to remove it and move everything else up. It probably shouldn't be there, I
> agree it gives the impression that it could be used for something.
>
>
>  And, with respect, there is something to
>> lock - the top left of the card when you change its height via script,
>> that's all I want to use it for.
>>
>
> But lockloc doesn't restrict that for any object. For what you want, you
> need to manipulate the rect of the object, whether it's a stack, a button,
> or anything else. Size always changes from the center outward.
>
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From davidocoker at gmail.com  Sat Jan 22 02:05:31 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 01:05:31 -0600
Subject: revBrowser Question
Message-ID: <AANLkTik67FV0oEKEfncJ=02r=iQ5YHpFJJ0iHLUY88==@mail.gmail.com>

Hello folks,
Is it possible to load html textual content directly from a text field
or variable into the revBrowser, instead of by URL or a local file on
disk?

I know that it's bound to be much simpler than what I've been trying so far...
...crashing LiveCode repeatedly in my testing is getting a bit old, so
I thought I'd go ahead and ask. :(

Best regards,
David C.



From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sat Jan 22 02:24:27 2011
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 08:24:27 +0100
Subject: Livecode IOS personnal + LiveCode Desktop commercial = 2 app ?
In-Reply-To: <4D39FD79.2040005@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7B931F6F-9BF2-455C-B318-C265F62DED76@laposte.net>
	<4D39FD79.2040005@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <2ECCD9A8-6AFF-4C93-8101-5247D72F6203@laposte.net>


Le 21 janv. 2011 ? 22:41, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :

> 
> On 1/21/11 5:43 AM, Ludovic Th?bault wrote:
>> 
>> I've a commercial licence of Livecode Desktop. I want to make an ios
>> app, for me only (in first time). So if i bought the Livecode iOs
>> personnal, i need to switch with the different app (one for develop
>> for iOs, one for desktop app) ?
> 
> No, you can use the same app. You might have to re-license it the first time though.
> 
Thanks. !




From bvlahos at mac.com  Sat Jan 22 02:29:29 2011
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 23:29:29 -0800
Subject: Windows code signing
In-Reply-To: <F0D4F365-ABAC-4A7F-B070-EF7D6B0EF015@mac.com>
References: <4D2FA108.6060709@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F0D4F365-ABAC-4A7F-B070-EF7D6B0EF015@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E90D22D5-14C0-44EA-A50A-DB87FDF41601@mac.com>

Just to let people know...

I have uploaded a new version (1.3.x) of InfoWallet based on the LiveCode 4.5.3 engine. The Windows executables in this new build are code signed if anyone wants to take a look. This includes the InfoWallet application, shortcut, and installer.

Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.

On Jan 13, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> Jaqui,
> 
> I think most users won't care and I've certainly run such software myself. The version of InfoWallet that is downloadable from the web site is still not signed (I plan on making the signed version available in the near future) and I haven't had anyone complain except when Norton flagged it as suspect. Signing it solved that problem immediately.
> 
> I have successfully code signed InfoWallet with a TUCOWS/Comodo certificate which only costs $75 (what a deal). The process is very difficult, tedious, and time consuming to set up for any of the sources. Once set up as a batch file it is now trivially simple for me to sign apps - just drag and drop.
> 
> Bill Vlahos
> _________________
> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.
> 
> On Jan 13, 2011, at 5:04 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> I'm in the position of wanting to release a no-cost or low-cost app for Windows, but without a code-signing certificate Windows puts up the scary "untrusted publisher" notification every time the app launches. Certificates cost a couple hundred dollars and I don't want to do that.
>> 
>> So the question is, how do other shareware or freeware authors deal with it? Are users so used to it by now they'll just click OK and proceed? What do you guys do?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Jan 22 02:46:02 2011
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:46:02 +1000
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <EA7C324F-8B23-48B2-A65D-F50BAF38FE5F@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <EA7C324F-8B23-48B2-A65D-F50BAF38FE5F@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikGudTA+7WDu4sOz0-f1cafL+-sXy1eB+aKSd8y@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com> wrote:
> I want to change the height of a stack. ?No problem changing the height property but that causes both the top and the bottom of the stack to change positions and I want the top of the stack to stay where it is and all the height change to be added to the bottom. ?The dictionary says the locklocation property does that but then I find that isn't available for a stack. ? I see a locklocation check box in the property inspector for the card, but it's greyed out.
>

I use revChangeWindowSize for this.

Cheers,
Sarah



From massung at gmail.com  Sat Jan 22 02:54:17 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:54:17 -0700
Subject: revBrowser Question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik67FV0oEKEfncJ=02r=iQ5YHpFJJ0iHLUY88==@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik67FV0oEKEfncJ=02r=iQ5YHpFJJ0iHLUY88==@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F195F15D-8D28-4CB8-BDB6-FE1E14BD2E44@gmail.com>

Yes.

I don't remember the exact syntax, but it's something like this:

put "<h1>Hello, world!" into tBody
revBrowserSet(tBrowserId, "htmlText", tBody)

Jeff M.

On Jan 22, 2011, at 12:05 AM, David C. wrote:

> Hello folks,
> Is it possible to load html textual content directly from a text field
> or variable into the revBrowser, instead of by URL or a local file on
> disk?
> 
> I know that it's bound to be much simpler than what I've been trying so far...
> ...crashing LiveCode repeatedly in my testing is getting a bit old, so
> I thought I'd go ahead and ask. :(
> 
> Best regards,
> David C.
> 
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Sat Jan 22 04:36:53 2011
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:36:53 +0100
Subject: Move many buttons all at same time  
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8218.1295650873.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.8218.1295650873.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <88A20AE0-C525-473E-AD55-C7AA481FAE97@derbrill.de>

Hi Josep,

a few questions if I may:

why the outer repeat loop?
What is in fld " "f_punts" ?

How exactly do you want your objects to move? aeMoveTo moves objects from their current position to the endposition you specify.

All the best,

Malte



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sat Jan 22 06:22:03 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:22:03 +0100
Subject: Livecode IOS personnal + LiveCode Desktop commercial = 2 app ?
In-Reply-To: <2ECCD9A8-6AFF-4C93-8101-5247D72F6203@laposte.net>
References: <7B931F6F-9BF2-455C-B318-C265F62DED76@laposte.net>
	<4D39FD79.2040005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<2ECCD9A8-6AFF-4C93-8101-5247D72F6203@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <8CFE7A8E-710E-487F-9C25-E767EFD24585@major.on-rev.com>

Bonjour Ludovic.

> Le 21 janv. 2011 ? 22:41, J. Landman Gay a ?crit :
> 
>> On 1/21/11 5:43 AM, Ludovic Th?bault wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've a commercial licence of Livecode Desktop. I want to make an ios
>>> app, for me only (in first time). So if i bought the Livecode iOs
>>> personnal, i need to switch with the different app (one for develop
>>> for iOs, one for desktop app) ?
>> No, you can use the same app. You might have to re-license it the first time though.
>> 
> Thanks. !

but there is a big CAVEAT!

I also have an enterprise desktop and a personal iOS license and got hit by this
when building a standalone!

Obviously you cannot license your LiveCode deskton app for BOTH of these editions!

When you license as Desktop then you can build standalones for the desktop as ususal.
BUT when building for iOS that standalone will be treated a an UNLICENSED TRIAL 
version with all restrictions (nag screen and time limited!)

When you license as Personal iOS version, then you can build standalones for iOS.
BUT when building for desktopn these standalones are treated as if build with the 
UNLICENSED TRIAL version of LC with all restrictions (nag screen etc.).

So you need to relicense LC everytime you want to build for the desktop or iOS, 
which is absolutely ridiculous to say the least!


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan 22 06:59:46 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:59:46 +0100
Subject: RevLets and local disk access
Message-ID: <D199F711-54D5-49CE-B16C-5107C2D0E50D@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

Most of the time when I test a revlet by one of my fellow programmers here on the list, I notice that the revlet asks permission for local disk access. I wonder why. Any sane person would not continue loading the revlet, because you don't want to grant a stranger access to the files on your hard disk. Please, people, if you are not absolutely sure that your revlet needs it, do yourself a favour and turn off the Disk option in the security settings on the Web panel of the Standalone Applications Settings window.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Sat Jan 22 08:51:32 2011
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 05:51:32 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>

What are the parameters they list you need for the serial port
if you want the hardware to connect using a mac?  The stack
I sent you can set every parameter I saw in Rev when I wrote
it so I can easily alter the code to set the serialcontrolstring
using the parameters they provide you instead of giving you
all of the options it has now.

-=<JB<=-


On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Do you have a more simple stack for LC? I just want to see if it connects...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Tom,
>> 
>> Which version combination are you using?
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> Claudi
>> 
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From harald at etcpp.de  Sat Jan 22 08:57:23 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:57:23 +0100
Subject: OT: Test for supporting Website (iOS App)
Message-ID: <6357A811-3E6B-4A83-A4F0-E64FB44198A5@etcpp.de>

Hi all,

the next update of one of my apps will make use of a website to
upload pictures are linked to his facebook-stream afterwords.

In PHP I want to use a Server-Variable to detect the Browser
language. Could one of go to the following link an check whether
the text is shown in english?

http://www.reshuffle.de/?fb1387220606time77733402912

Thanks in advance!

Best regards,
Harald M?ller.

| Harald M?ller (app.etcpp.de)
| Theodor-K?rner-Stra?e 4, 97072 W?rzburg
| Telefon + 49-[0]931-329090-42







From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sat Jan 22 09:01:46 2011
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:01:46 +0100
Subject: OT: Test for supporting Website (iOS App)
In-Reply-To: <6357A811-3E6B-4A83-A4F0-E64FB44198A5@etcpp.de>
References: <6357A811-3E6B-4A83-A4F0-E64FB44198A5@etcpp.de>
Message-ID: <764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>


Le 22 janv. 2011 ? 14:57, Harald M?ller a ?crit :

> In PHP I want to use a Server-Variable to detect the Browser
> language. Could one of go to the following link an check whether
> the text is shown in english?
> 
> http://www.reshuffle.de/?fb1387220606time77733402912
> 

It's in german for me (from France, with Safari)




From noelf at nomigraphics.com  Sat Jan 22 09:10:43 2011
From: noelf at nomigraphics.com (Noel Fields)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:10:43 -0700
Subject: OT: Test for supporting Website (iOS App)
In-Reply-To: <764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>
References: <6357A811-3E6B-4A83-A4F0-E64FB44198A5@etcpp.de>
	<764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <4D3AE563.3080702@nomigraphics.com>

It is showing German for myself also.

  - Noel

On 1/22/2011 7:01 AM, Ludovic Th?bault wrote:
> Le 22 janv. 2011 ? 14:57, Harald M?ller a ?crit :
>
>> In PHP I want to use a Server-Variable to detect the Browser
>> language. Could one of go to the following link an check whether
>> the text is shown in english?
>>
>> http://www.reshuffle.de/?fb1387220606time77733402912
>>
> It's in german for me (from France, with Safari)
>
>
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From harald at etcpp.de  Sat Jan 22 09:11:26 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:11:26 +0100
Subject: OT: Test for supporting Website (iOS App)
In-Reply-To: <764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>
References: <6357A811-3E6B-4A83-A4F0-E64FB44198A5@etcpp.de>
	<764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <F03B13E2-5269-4A1D-848B-31284E7B045C@etcpp.de>

Thanks!

(then I made something wrong)


Am 22.01.2011 um 15:01 schrieb Ludovic Th?bault:

> 
> Le 22 janv. 2011 ? 14:57, Harald M?ller a ?crit :
> 
>> In PHP I want to use a Server-Variable to detect the Browser
>> language. Could one of go to the following link an check whether
>> the text is shown in english?
>> 
>> http://www.reshuffle.de/?fb1387220606time77733402912
>> 
> 
> It's in german for me (from France, with Safari)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 




From harald at etcpp.de  Sat Jan 22 09:12:57 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:12:57 +0100
Subject: OT: Test for supporting Website (iOS App)
In-Reply-To: <4D3AE563.3080702@nomigraphics.com>
References: <6357A811-3E6B-4A83-A4F0-E64FB44198A5@etcpp.de>
	<764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>
	<4D3AE563.3080702@nomigraphics.com>
Message-ID: <EBD255B2-5064-4514-A279-15BDEB6696B2@etcpp.de>

Thanks!


Am 22.01.2011 um 15:10 schrieb Noel Fields:

> It is showing German for myself also.
> 
> - Noel
> 
> On 1/22/2011 7:01 AM, Ludovic Th?bault wrote:
>> Le 22 janv. 2011 ? 14:57, Harald M?ller a ?crit :
>> 
>>> In PHP I want to use a Server-Variable to detect the Browser
>>> language. Could one of go to the following link an check whether
>>> the text is shown in english?
>>> 
>>> http://www.reshuffle.de/?fb1387220606time77733402912
>>> 
>> It's in german for me (from France, with Safari)
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
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From harald at etcpp.de  Sat Jan 22 09:21:28 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:21:28 +0100
Subject: OT: Test for supporting Website (iOS App)
In-Reply-To: <764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>
References: <6357A811-3E6B-4A83-A4F0-E64FB44198A5@etcpp.de>
	<764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <704B6EBC-990B-4359-868E-6491EE9C2681@etcpp.de>

Could you please take another look whether it
is now shown in english?



Am 22.01.2011 um 15:01 schrieb Ludovic Th?bault:

> 
> Le 22 janv. 2011 ? 14:57, Harald M?ller a ?crit :
> 
>> In PHP I want to use a Server-Variable to detect the Browser
>> language. Could one of go to the following link an check whether
>> the text is shown in english?
>> 
>> http://www.reshuffle.de/?fb1387220606time77733402912
>> 
> 
> It's in german for me (from France, with Safari)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sat Jan 22 09:26:00 2011
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:26:00 +0100
Subject: OT: Test for supporting Website (iOS App)
In-Reply-To: <704B6EBC-990B-4359-868E-6491EE9C2681@etcpp.de>
References: <6357A811-3E6B-4A83-A4F0-E64FB44198A5@etcpp.de>
	<764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>
	<704B6EBC-990B-4359-868E-6491EE9C2681@etcpp.de>
Message-ID: <14E85EC6-1744-450E-8461-46A53262DF77@laposte.net>


Le 22 janv. 2011 ? 15:21, Harald M?ller a ?crit :

> 
> Could you please take another look whether it
> is now shown in english?

not again


From harald at etcpp.de  Sat Jan 22 09:28:44 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:28:44 +0100
Subject: OT: Test for supporting Website (iOS App)
In-Reply-To: <14E85EC6-1744-450E-8461-46A53262DF77@laposte.net>
References: <6357A811-3E6B-4A83-A4F0-E64FB44198A5@etcpp.de>
	<764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>
	<704B6EBC-990B-4359-868E-6491EE9C2681@etcpp.de>
	<14E85EC6-1744-450E-8461-46A53262DF77@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <91520D96-3878-41D2-991B-78E4692372E0@etcpp.de>

Thanks!



Am 22.01.2011 um 15:26 schrieb Ludovic Th?bault:

> 
> Le 22 janv. 2011 ? 15:21, Harald M?ller a ?crit :
> 
>> 
>> Could you please take another look whether it
>> is now shown in english?
> 
> not again
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From rjb at robelko.com  Sat Jan 22 09:15:20 2011
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:15:20 +0100
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin9ewXPemcX1nshT9=Vmd4_Mzpmkej3KPzaX-83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C95F4508.506E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<0EAE2589-7C0C-46C2-8071-E37C238C2A66@mollysrevenge.com>
	<4D3A0BD3.4020701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikq-TpvOcjK3yUqu+vCQtCe=f4sxaCSkfLqWR=m@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D3A3381.1040409@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTin9ewXPemcX1nshT9=Vmd4_Mzpmkej3KPzaX-83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240800c96096046afe@[192.168.1.94]>

On 21.01.11 at 19:20 -0800 Pete (Molly's Revenge) apparently wrote:
>Well, I guess I was misled by the dictionary then because it says:
>
>    If a control's *lockLocation* property is false, when you change its
>height, it shrinks or grows from the center:  the control's top and bottom
>edges both shift, while its location property stays the same. If the
>control's *lockLocation* property is true, it shrinks or grows from the top
>left corner: the control's top edge stays in the same place, and the bottom
>edge moves.
>
>That's exactly what I want to happen with the card.
>

But card is NOT a control. The above talks about controls.

Robert



From davidocoker at gmail.com  Sat Jan 22 10:20:40 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 09:20:40 -0600
Subject: revBrowser Question
In-Reply-To: <F195F15D-8D28-4CB8-BDB6-FE1E14BD2E44@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik67FV0oEKEfncJ=02r=iQ5YHpFJJ0iHLUY88==@mail.gmail.com>
	<F195F15D-8D28-4CB8-BDB6-FE1E14BD2E44@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=wEfwgkHV0pOWskKiudqPD7OcpB6EtA0sVXYQh@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Jeffrey Massung <massung at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes.
>
> I don't remember the exact syntax, but it's something like this:
>
> put "<h1>Hello, world!" into tBody
> revBrowserSet(tBrowserId, "htmlText", tBody)
>
> Jeff M.
>

Thanks Jeff!
That was enough to get me headed in the right direction.


Best regards,
David C.



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sat Jan 22 11:04:16 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:04:16 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>

JB,

That's just it - in the Arduino IDE you have Serial Monitor and it actually has an option for "No line ending", "Newline", "Carriage return", "Both NL & CR" and then most of the time it looks like 9600 baud is used.You can select from 300 to 115200 baud. You can also check a box for autoscroll. But that's it. There is no place for any other options and yet it works fine.

The Serial Monitor uses the "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" instead of the "/dev/cu.usbmodem1a21" that LC likes to use.

Also there are no options for Hardware Handshaking or any other options like we would set in the serialControlString in LC.
In my research I have seen people mentioning the 8 - 1 - none but all of the serial code that I've seen doesn't even set anything more than Serial.begin and Serial.println -- not even end. (--  Serial.begin(9600) and Serial.println(val) - -) I hooked up a button and connected it to Serial.end() to try to stop sending data but almost every piece of code I have seen does not use the Serial.end() at all.

I think there is a problem in both the code I am using to read the incoming serial data (looping and line endings) and maybe there is an issue with the buffering of the serial data coming from the Arduino Uno.

So, I can't find a good list of the parameters that I should use for the serial port and for entering in the serialcontrolstring.

Still looking though. 

Thanks,

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 22, 2011, at 8:51 AM, -=>JB wrote:

> What are the parameters they list you need for the serial port
> if you want the hardware to connect using a mac?  The stack
> I sent you can set every parameter I saw in Rev when I wrote
> it so I can easily alter the code to set the serialcontrolstring
> using the parameters they provide you instead of giving you
> all of the options it has now.
> 
> -=<JB<=-
> 
> 
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> Do you have a more simple stack for LC? I just want to see if it connects...
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>> 
>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Tom,
>>> 
>>> Which version combination are you using?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Claudi
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sat Jan 22 11:05:59 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:05:59 -0500
Subject: OT: Test for supporting Website (iOS App)
In-Reply-To: <91520D96-3878-41D2-991B-78E4692372E0@etcpp.de>
References: <6357A811-3E6B-4A83-A4F0-E64FB44198A5@etcpp.de>
	<764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>
	<704B6EBC-990B-4359-868E-6491EE9C2681@etcpp.de>
	<14E85EC6-1744-450E-8461-46A53262DF77@laposte.net>
	<91520D96-3878-41D2-991B-78E4692372E0@etcpp.de>
Message-ID: <F25EB53D-FD03-4CE0-A665-AD317D616E3F@mac.com>

Still German....


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 22, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Harald M?ller wrote:

> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> Am 22.01.2011 um 15:26 schrieb Ludovic Th?bault:
> 
>> 
>> Le 22 janv. 2011 ? 15:21, Harald M?ller a ?crit :
>> 
>>> 
>>> Could you please take another look whether it
>>> is now shown in english?
>> 
>> not again
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Sat Jan 22 11:22:13 2011
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 08:22:13 -0800
Subject: iOS Splash Image
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8275.1295704130.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.8275.1295704130.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9905E02F-5DA7-4789-B04A-DDC4C7BEFABE@clearvisiontech.com>

I have a iPad application and I created the splash image ("myApp-Portrait.png") as directed by the iOS Release Notes and selected it in the application settings window.  It works fine.  However, if I launch the app in landscape, it wasn't correct.  So, I created a second image, "myApp-Landscape.png", and placed it in the same location as the portrait version (there is no place to select it in the application settings window and the release notes do not indicate where to put it - but placing it in the same directory seemed logical).  When I run the app with the iPad in landscape, the correct image does appear.  However, after a moment the portrait splash appeared.  Then the app ran normally.  Note that if I launch the app with the iPad in portrait mode, all is still correct.

Am I doing something wrong?  Or is there a problem with having multiple versions of the splash image?

-Dan


From psahores at free.fr  Sat Jan 22 12:01:16 2011
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:01:16 +0100
Subject: OT: Test for supporting Website (iOS App)
In-Reply-To: <704B6EBC-990B-4359-868E-6491EE9C2681@etcpp.de>
References: <6357A811-3E6B-4A83-A4F0-E64FB44198A5@etcpp.de>
	<764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>
	<704B6EBC-990B-4359-868E-6491EE9C2681@etcpp.de>
Message-ID: <59A98AFC-BC24-4016-8682-97C60EF67170@free.fr>

Well shown in english there.

Le 22 janv. 2011 ? 15:21, Harald M?ller a ?crit :

> Could you please take another look whether it
> is now shown in english?
> 
> 
> 
> Am 22.01.2011 um 15:01 schrieb Ludovic Th?bault:
> 
>> 
>> Le 22 janv. 2011 ? 14:57, Harald M?ller a ?crit :
>> 
>>> In PHP I want to use a Server-Variable to detect the Browser
>>> language. Could one of go to the following link an check whether
>>> the text is shown in english?
>>> 
>>> http://www.reshuffle.de/?fb1387220606time77733402912
>>> 
>> 
>> It's in german for me (from France, with Safari)
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From coiin at verizon.net  Sat Jan 22 12:11:59 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:11:59 -0500
Subject: iOS Splash Image
In-Reply-To: <9905E02F-5DA7-4789-B04A-DDC4C7BEFABE@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <mailman.8275.1295704130.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<9905E02F-5DA7-4789-B04A-DDC4C7BEFABE@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <6E0E7277-012D-449C-B474-B3A03EA6044B@verizon.net>

I haven't looked into how LC handles the splash screen, but the way that the iPad handles it is to use the image Default-Landscape.png if it is there, and if not it will use Default-Portrait.png, and if that's not there it will use Default.png. There are other landscape images that you can include, to allow for specifically rotate left or right. Same with portrait, you can have an upside down portrait image, in case the user is holdeing the device with the home button at the top.





From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sat Jan 22 12:14:51 2011
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:14:51 +0100
Subject: OT: Test for supporting Website (iOS App)
In-Reply-To: <59A98AFC-BC24-4016-8682-97C60EF67170@free.fr>
References: <6357A811-3E6B-4A83-A4F0-E64FB44198A5@etcpp.de>
	<764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>
	<704B6EBC-990B-4359-868E-6491EE9C2681@etcpp.de>
	<59A98AFC-BC24-4016-8682-97C60EF67170@free.fr>
Message-ID: <DA9B4ECE-98FF-4296-AD6A-D5575A1575DB@laposte.net>


Le 22 janv. 2011 ? 18:01, Pierre Sahores a ?crit :

> 
> Well shown in english there.

For me also !


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sat Jan 22 12:43:43 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:43:43 -0500
Subject: OT: Test for supporting Website (iOS App)
In-Reply-To: <59A98AFC-BC24-4016-8682-97C60EF67170@free.fr>
References: <6357A811-3E6B-4A83-A4F0-E64FB44198A5@etcpp.de>
	<764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>
	<704B6EBC-990B-4359-868E-6491EE9C2681@etcpp.de>
	<59A98AFC-BC24-4016-8682-97C60EF67170@free.fr>
Message-ID: <0CE705FC-5C19-43ED-9482-AA82ACB25BD6@mac.com>

English now...


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 22, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:

> Well shown in english there.
> 
> Le 22 janv. 2011 ? 15:21, Harald M?ller a ?crit :
> 
>> Could you please take another look whether it
>> is now shown in english?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 22.01.2011 um 15:01 schrieb Ludovic Th?bault:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 22 janv. 2011 ? 14:57, Harald M?ller a ?crit :
>>> 
>>>> In PHP I want to use a Server-Variable to detect the Browser
>>>> language. Could one of go to the following link an check whether
>>>> the text is shown in english?
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.reshuffle.de/?fb1387220606time77733402912
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's in german for me (from France, with Safari)
>>> 
>>> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sat Jan 22 12:44:40 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:44:40 -0500
Subject: OT: Test for supporting Website (iOS App)
In-Reply-To: <DA9B4ECE-98FF-4296-AD6A-D5575A1575DB@laposte.net>
References: <6357A811-3E6B-4A83-A4F0-E64FB44198A5@etcpp.de>
	<764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>
	<704B6EBC-990B-4359-868E-6491EE9C2681@etcpp.de>
	<59A98AFC-BC24-4016-8682-97C60EF67170@free.fr>
	<DA9B4ECE-98FF-4296-AD6A-D5575A1575DB@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <D8E8F091-30C0-4FB4-B771-A4DE0D5B6E9F@mac.com>

I would post wether it is a 'Free' app or paid and if so how much. 2Cents...

-- Tom McGrath III
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On Jan 22, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Ludovic Th?bault wrote:

> 
> Le 22 janv. 2011 ? 18:01, Pierre Sahores a ?crit :
> 
>> 
>> Well shown in english there.
> 
> For me also !
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sat Jan 22 13:11:39 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:11:39 -0800
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c96096046afe@[192.168.1.94]>
References: <C95F4508.506E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<0EAE2589-7C0C-46C2-8071-E37C238C2A66@mollysrevenge.com>
	<4D3A0BD3.4020701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTikq-TpvOcjK3yUqu+vCQtCe=f4sxaCSkfLqWR=m@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D3A3381.1040409@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTin9ewXPemcX1nshT9=Vmd4_Mzpmkej3KPzaX-83@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240800c96096046afe@[192.168.1.94]>
Message-ID: <46C7A7D9-7F3E-4619-A073-6B96F02363AF@mollysrevenge.com>

You're missing the point.  I was responding to a prior post that said locklocation does not affect how a stack grows when its height changes, not whether it applies to a card or not. 

Pete Haworth

On Jan 22, 2011, at 6:15 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> On 21.01.11 at 19:20 -0800 Pete (Molly's Revenge) apparently wrote:
>> Well, I guess I was misled by the dictionary then because it says:
>> 
>>   If a control's *lockLocation* property is false, when you change its
>> height, it shrinks or grows from the center:  the control's top and bottom
>> edges both shift, while its location property stays the same. If the
>> control's *lockLocation* property is true, it shrinks or grows from the top
>> left corner: the control's top edge stays in the same place, and the bottom
>> edge moves.
>> 
>> That's exactly what I want to happen with the card.
>> 
> 
> But card is NOT a control. The above talks about controls.
> 
> Robert
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From bvg at mac.com  Sat Jan 22 13:14:09 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:14:09 +0100
Subject: Live LiveCode Coding Event #7
In-Reply-To: <E98C91A1-F57D-47A6-B352-2BCC8906FCCB@mac.com>
References: <E98C91A1-F57D-47A6-B352-2BCC8906FCCB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0C904E6D-00B0-4D3E-85A4-B369258B6089@mac.com>

Alright, just a quick reminder that we will start in about an hour. 

Unfortunately, Rob had a major run in with an evil staircase, and therefore had to cancel his presentation. He's already recouping, and promised to do his talk some other weekend. All the best to him.



On 20 Jan 2011, at 22:44, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> Hello Guys
> 
> We're back, and we brought Topics:
> 
> First we got a newcomer. Rob will present "The basics of using MySQL in a LiveCode Application", which is an introduction to SQL in LC.
> http://blog.livecode.tv/rob/
> 
> Bjoernke (me) will show "The multiple futures of BvG Docu, and why some of them never came to be". I will also talk about the current future plans regarding this free add-on to LC.
> http://blog.livecode.tv/bvg/
> 
> After my show there'll be a surprise announcement, which has to do with charts, and of course we'll give away something again. This time, one luck winner gets the Take Control eBook (courtesy of TidBITS): "Take Control of Mac OS X Backups". So please visit their site: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/
> 
> FInally, David will take up his topic from last week, where he got slightly distracted by showing automatic menu creation via script parsing. He wants to show more in a similar vein, especially: "Drag and Drop Style sheets for LiveCode controls"
> http://blog.livecode.tv/david/
> 
> The show is on Saturday at these times:
> Zurich: 20:00
> Buenos Aires: 16:00
> New York:  14:00 
> San Francisco: 11:00
> Sydney: 06:00
> 
> Make sure to use ChatRev during the happening, otherwise you might miss when you'll need to change to the other streams:
> http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
> or:
> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"
> 
> If you want to get private, regular notification of this event, please subscribe to the rss feed of the blog (about 2 updates per week):
> feed://livecode.tv/feed/
> 
> Cheers
> Bjoernke
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From harald at etcpp.de  Sat Jan 22 14:18:00 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:18:00 +0100
Subject: OT: Test for supporting Website (iOS App)
In-Reply-To: <D8E8F091-30C0-4FB4-B771-A4DE0D5B6E9F@mac.com>
References: <6357A811-3E6B-4A83-A4F0-E64FB44198A5@etcpp.de>
	<764225A9-E978-4C55-994D-9407209078DD@laposte.net>
	<704B6EBC-990B-4359-868E-6491EE9C2681@etcpp.de>
	<59A98AFC-BC24-4016-8682-97C60EF67170@free.fr>
	<DA9B4ECE-98FF-4296-AD6A-D5575A1575DB@laposte.net>
	<D8E8F091-30C0-4FB4-B771-A4DE0D5B6E9F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F5789A05-D9F4-43C3-9411-243321943F3F@etcpp.de>

Thanks for all your responses, that helped very much!

Best regards,
Harald M?ller.


Am 22.01.2011 um 18:44 schrieb Thomas McGrath III:

> I would post wether it is a 'Free' app or paid and if so how much. 2Cents...
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Ludovic Th?bault wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Le 22 janv. 2011 ? 18:01, Pierre Sahores a ?crit :
>> 
>>> 
>>> Well shown in english there.
>> 
>> For me also !
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sat Jan 22 15:49:19 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 12:49:19 -0800
Subject: revFontLoad Question
Message-ID: <4D3B42CF.3080604@comcast.net>

I want to package a font with my Mac only app and use revFontLoad to 
load it into memory. Is there a problem with just tucking it inside the 
application bundle and loading it from there? Or should I put it into a 
custom property and then write it out to the user's hard drive and put 
it into use from there?

My preliminary tests show that it works from inside the bundle. I'm just 
wondering if there's something that I'm not aware of that would make 
this a bad idea.

Thanks,
Marty Knapp



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sat Jan 22 16:21:04 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:21:04 -0800
Subject: Datagrid question
Message-ID: <8B74AC91-780E-4B3A-AABD-868CC2EA03AD@mollysrevenge.com>

I've put together a mouseDown handler that displays a stack window immediately below a datagrid column when the user right clicks on that column.  Right now it's in the group script of the datagrid. 

The dg manual says there is a default header behavior property so set that to the id of a button that includes my mousedown handler since I want this to be available to all the dataggrids in my app but the mousedown event never reaches my mousedown handler a breakpoint set at the start of it never gets triggered.

Any ideas why this is happening?

Pete Haworth










From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan 22 16:46:15 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:46:15 -0600
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <46C7A7D9-7F3E-4619-A073-6B96F02363AF@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <C95F4508.506E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<0EAE2589-7C0C-46C2-8071-E37C238C2A66@mollysrevenge.com>	<4D3A0BD3.4020701@hyperactivesw.com>	<AANLkTikq-TpvOcjK3yUqu+vCQtCe=f4sxaCSkfLqWR=m@mail.gmail.com>	<4D3A3381.1040409@hyperactivesw.com>	<AANLkTin9ewXPemcX1nshT9=Vmd4_Mzpmkej3KPzaX-83@mail.gmail.com>	<p06240800c96096046afe@[192.168.1.94]>
	<46C7A7D9-7F3E-4619-A073-6B96F02363AF@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <4D3B5027.2000008@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/22/11 12:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> You're missing the point.  I was responding to a prior post that said
> locklocation does not affect how a stack grows when its height
> changes, not whether it applies to a card or not.

Actually, he's right. Controls are only those objects you can place on a 
card (the icons in the toolbar are all controls.) Stacks and cards are 
not controls, they are containers. The docs say that controls will 
resize from the topleft if lockloc is true, but a stack (or card) is not 
a control and so the resizing comment doesn't apply to them.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Jan 22 17:11:01 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:11:01 -0600
Subject: revFontLoad Question
In-Reply-To: <4D3B42CF.3080604@comcast.net>
References: <4D3B42CF.3080604@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=0qz8hJMCWC18yiOQfZT=V7rR69p4TXw-Zrfv5@mail.gmail.com>

I would just make sure and check the fine print on distribution rights of
the font, and what the terms are. If it's an open source font it should be
ok. Milage may vary.

On 22 January 2011 14:49, Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net> wrote:

> I want to package a font with my Mac only app and use revFontLoad to load
> it into memory. Is there a problem with just tucking it inside the
> application bundle and loading it from there? Or should I put it into a
> custom property and then write it out to the user's hard drive and put it
> into use from there?
>
> My preliminary tests show that it works from inside the bundle. I'm just
> wondering if there's something that I'm not aware of that would make this a
> bad idea.
>
> Thanks,
> Marty Knapp
>
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sat Jan 22 17:22:26 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:22:26 -0800
Subject: revFontLoad Question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=0qz8hJMCWC18yiOQfZT=V7rR69p4TXw-Zrfv5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D3B42CF.3080604@comcast.net>
	<AANLkTi=0qz8hJMCWC18yiOQfZT=V7rR69p4TXw-Zrfv5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D3B58A2.2050509@comcast.net>

Thanks Stephen,

Yes, I have written permission to distribute the font. I was wondering 
more about the advisability of accessing it inside the app bundle as 
opposed to writing it out to another location and loading it from there.

In its current form, my app installs the font into the Fonts folder on 
first launch (informing the user) but as I'm hoping to get this into the 
Mac app store, I'm guessing that this is not acceptable. I have 
contacted Apple about installing the font, got re-routed 3 times and now 
have not heard anything. So I think the revFontLoad is the way to go. 
I'm just not sure about where the font file should be placed. In the 
bundle is the easiest, but maybe there's a reason you're not supposed to 
do that?

Marty
> I would just make sure and check the fine print on distribution rights of
> the font, and what the terms are. If it's an open source font it should be
> ok. Milage may vary.
>
> On 22 January 2011 14:49, Marty Knapp<martyknapp at comcast.net>  wrote:
>
>> I want to package a font with my Mac only app and use revFontLoad to load
>> it into memory. Is there a problem with just tucking it inside the
>> application bundle and loading it from there? Or should I put it into a
>> custom property and then write it out to the user's hard drive and put it
>> into use from there?
>>
>> My preliminary tests show that it works from inside the bundle. I'm just
>> wondering if there's something that I'm not aware of that would make this a
>> bad idea.




From jmyepes at mac.com  Sat Jan 22 17:50:42 2011
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep M Yepes)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:50:42 +0100
Subject: Test for supporting Website (iOS App)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1295719202.11057.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.5.1295719202.11057.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F6C1E46A-50E7-41D2-8D9A-D278CD684034@mac.com>

English for me, using Safari from Spain.


Salut,
Josep

Enviado desde mi iPad

El 22/01/2011, a las 19:00, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com escribi?:

> Test for supporting Website (iOS App)



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Jan 22 17:57:17 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:57:17 -0600
Subject: revFontLoad Question
In-Reply-To: <4D3B58A2.2050509@comcast.net>
References: <4D3B42CF.3080604@comcast.net>
	<AANLkTi=0qz8hJMCWC18yiOQfZT=V7rR69p4TXw-Zrfv5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D3B58A2.2050509@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=VHqjgaOkVU61Pz83MbJU8-dC6=CjKzo3Cn8ed@mail.gmail.com>

Inside the bundle is exactly the place where apple WANTS you to put such
things. That's what it was designed for, as against the Windows method of
all the files alongside.  The idea is user convenience for installing and
uninstalling. Nice and neat. A great feature of MacOSX.

Bundles are used for data, too. EyeTV puts huge video files inside a data
bundle that also contain metadata files used by the app.

This is where Livecode puts its stuff as well, and you can too. Use a new
folder named by you inside the contents folder inside the bundle. Control
click any bundle to reveal its insides.

On 22 January 2011 16:22, Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net> wrote:

> Thanks Stephen,
>
> Yes, I have written permission to distribute the font. I was wondering more
> about the advisability of accessing it inside the app bundle as opposed to
> writing it out to another location and loading it from there.
>
> In its current form, my app installs the font into the Fonts folder on
> first launch (informing the user) but as I'm hoping to get this into the Mac
> app store, I'm guessing that this is not acceptable. I have contacted Apple
> about installing the font, got re-routed 3 times and now have not heard
> anything. So I think the revFontLoad is the way to go. I'm just not sure
> about where the font file should be placed. In the bundle is the easiest,
> but maybe there's a reason you're not supposed to do that?
>
> Marty
>
>  I would just make sure and check the fine print on distribution rights of
>> the font, and what the terms are. If it's an open source font it should be
>> ok. Milage may vary.
>>
>> On 22 January 2011 14:49, Marty Knapp<martyknapp at comcast.net>  wrote:
>>
>>  I want to package a font with my Mac only app and use revFontLoad to load
>>> it into memory. Is there a problem with just tucking it inside the
>>> application bundle and loading it from there? Or should I put it into a
>>> custom property and then write it out to the user's hard drive and put it
>>> into use from there?
>>>
>>> My preliminary tests show that it works from inside the bundle. I'm just
>>> wondering if there's something that I'm not aware of that would make this
>>> a
>>> bad idea.
>>>
>>
>
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From rjb at robelko.com  Sat Jan 22 18:15:59 2011
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:15:59 +0100
Subject: pinging or else network devices from livecode
In-Reply-To: <D80C4262-DB5C-4D00-A9E6-0A5AF89445D2@twft.com>
References: <p0624080dc95f8f3322e1@[141.89.49.13]>
	<D80C4262-DB5C-4D00-A9E6-0A5AF89445D2@twft.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c9611435fe89@[192.168.1.94]>

On 21.01.11 at 17:46 -0800 Bob Sneidar apparently wrote:
>Once you ping an address you can shell to get the arp table. Use arp 
>-a. BTW have you looked at Spiceworks? They have an incredible scan 
>engine that gets just about anything with a management protocol. AND 
>it's FREE!
>
>Bob
>

I just looked at Spiceworks. Sounds great. Little problem: I have no 
Windows machine to run it on. It is also not clear from their website 
whether it can do scans on a schedule and log the results.

Robert



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sat Jan 22 18:38:13 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:38:13 -0800
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <4D3B5027.2000008@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C95F4508.506E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<0EAE2589-7C0C-46C2-8071-E37C238C2A66@mollysrevenge.com>	<4D3A0BD3.4020701@hyperactivesw.com>	<AANLkTikq-TpvOcjK3yUqu+vCQtCe=f4sxaCSkfLqWR=m@mail.gmail.com>	<4D3A3381.1040409@hyperactivesw.com>	<AANLkTin9ewXPemcX1nshT9=Vmd4_Mzpmkej3KPzaX-83@mail.gmail.com>	<p06240800c96096046afe@[192.168.1.94]>
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Jacqueline,
I'm fully aware that stacks and cards are not controls.  As I said, I was responding to your comment on my post:

> And, with respect, there is something to
> lock - the top left of the card when you change its height via script,
> that's all I want to use it for.

...you said:

> 
> But lockloc doesn't restrict that for any object. 


I took that to mean that lockloc doesn't lock the top left of any object which is not what the dictionary says.  It wouldn't be the first time I've found inaccuracies in the dictionary so thought it worthwhile to confirm if it is correct or not on this issue.  Since I posted my comment, I've verified that the dictionary is correct.

This whole mess got started by me reading the following in the dictionary in the entry for the height property:

"If an object's lockLocation property is false, when you change its height, it shrinks or grows from the center. The object's top and bottom edges both shift, while the object's location property stays the same. If the object's lockLocation property is true, it shrinks or grows from the top left corner: the object's top edge stays in the same place, and the bottom edge moves."

I assume the word "object" includes stacks and cards in LC terminolgy, but maybe I'm wrong on that.

Pete Haworth









On Jan 22, 2011, at 1:46 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/22/11 12:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> You're missing the point.  I was responding to a prior post that said
>> locklocation does not affect how a stack grows when its height
>> changes, not whether it applies to a card or not.
> 
> Actually, he's right. Controls are only those objects you can place on a card (the icons in the toolbar are all controls.) Stacks and cards are not controls, they are containers. The docs say that controls will resize from the topleft if lockloc is true, but a stack (or card) is not a control and so the resizing comment doesn't apply to them.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Sat Jan 22 18:52:13 2011
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 15:52:13 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>

Thanks for the reply and info.  This is a very interesting thread so
please keep us informed with anything you find that will help.

-=>JB<=-


On Jan 22, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> JB,
> 
> That's just it - in the Arduino IDE you have Serial Monitor and it actually has an option for "No line ending", "Newline", "Carriage return", "Both NL & CR" and then most of the time it looks like 9600 baud is used.You can select from 300 to 115200 baud. You can also check a box for autoscroll. But that's it. There is no place for any other options and yet it works fine.
> 
> The Serial Monitor uses the "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" instead of the "/dev/cu.usbmodem1a21" that LC likes to use.
> 
> Also there are no options for Hardware Handshaking or any other options like we would set in the serialControlString in LC.
> In my research I have seen people mentioning the 8 - 1 - none but all of the serial code that I've seen doesn't even set anything more than Serial.begin and Serial.println -- not even end. (--  Serial.begin(9600) and Serial.println(val) - -) I hooked up a button and connected it to Serial.end() to try to stop sending data but almost every piece of code I have seen does not use the Serial.end() at all.
> 
> I think there is a problem in both the code I am using to read the incoming serial data (looping and line endings) and maybe there is an issue with the buffering of the serial data coming from the Arduino Uno.
> 
> So, I can't find a good list of the parameters that I should use for the serial port and for entering in the serialcontrolstring.
> 
> Still looking though. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 8:51 AM, -=>JB wrote:
> 
>> What are the parameters they list you need for the serial port
>> if you want the hardware to connect using a mac?  The stack
>> I sent you can set every parameter I saw in Rev when I wrote
>> it so I can easily alter the code to set the serialcontrolstring
>> using the parameters they provide you instead of giving you
>> all of the options it has now.
>> 
>> -=<JB<=-
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> 
>>> Do you have a more simple stack for LC? I just want to see if it connects...
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tom,
>>>> 
>>>> Which version combination are you using?
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>> Claudi
>>>> 
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From rjb at robelko.com  Sat Jan 22 18:38:43 2011
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:38:43 +0100
Subject: pinging or else network devices from livecode
In-Reply-To: <4D3A32C0.90104@tweedly.net>
References: <p0624080dc95f8f3322e1@[141.89.49.13]> <4D3A32C0.90104@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <p06240802c9611702a69d@[192.168.1.94]>

On 22.01.11 at 01:28 +0000 Alex Tweedly apparently wrote:
>You can't do ping directly from LC - LC only supports UDP and TCP 
>sockets, not ICMP or raw.
>
>You could do it via shell - but too many devices may not respond to ping.
>
>Do you want to find all active IP addresses on your own subnet, or 
>on any arbitrary subnet ?

At the moment I need to check only my own subnet, but checking 
another subnet will come later.

>If it's on your own, then here's what I'd do
>
>- try opening a UDP socket to each IP address
>- use shell / arp to see what's there.
>
>every device should respond to an arp request, so this is much more 
>likely to find all active devices.
>

Just did a quickie try with your code. Sounds like it will do what I want.

Thanks!

Robert



From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sat Jan 22 19:17:37 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:17:37 -0800
Subject: revFontLoad Question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=VHqjgaOkVU61Pz83MbJU8-dC6=CjKzo3Cn8ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D3B42CF.3080604@comcast.net>	<AANLkTi=0qz8hJMCWC18yiOQfZT=V7rR69p4TXw-Zrfv5@mail.gmail.com>	<4D3B58A2.2050509@comcast.net>
	<AANLkTi=VHqjgaOkVU61Pz83MbJU8-dC6=CjKzo3Cn8ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D3B73A1.9080704@comcast.net>

Thanks Stephen - I appreciate the input.

Marty
> Inside the bundle is exactly the place where apple WANTS you to put such
> things. That's what it was designed for, as against the Windows method of
> all the files alongside.  The idea is user convenience for installing and
> uninstalling. Nice and neat. A great feature of MacOSX.
>
> Bundles are used for data, too. EyeTV puts huge video files inside a data
> bundle that also contain metadata files used by the app.
>
> This is where Livecode puts its stuff as well, and you can too. Use a new
> folder named by you inside the contents folder inside the bundle. Control
> click any bundle to reveal its insides.
>
> On 22 January 2011 16:22, Marty Knapp<martyknapp at comcast.net>  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Stephen,
>>
>> Yes, I have written permission to distribute the font. I was wondering more
>> about the advisability of accessing it inside the app bundle as opposed to
>> writing it out to another location and loading it from there.
>>
>> In its current form, my app installs the font into the Fonts folder on
>> first launch (informing the user) but as I'm hoping to get this into the Mac
>> app store, I'm guessing that this is not acceptable. I have contacted Apple
>> about installing the font, got re-routed 3 times and now have not heard
>> anything. So I think the revFontLoad is the way to go. I'm just not sure
>> about where the font file should be placed. In the bundle is the easiest,
>> but maybe there's a reason you're not supposed to do that?
>>
>> Marty
>>
>>   I would just make sure and check the fine print on distribution rights of
>>> the font, and what the terms are. If it's an open source font it should be
>>> ok. Milage may vary.
>>>
>>> On 22 January 2011 14:49, Marty Knapp<martyknapp at comcast.net>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   I want to package a font with my Mac only app and use revFontLoad to load
>>>> it into memory. Is there a problem with just tucking it inside the
>>>> application bundle and loading it from there? Or should I put it into a
>>>> custom property and then write it out to the user's hard drive and put it
>>>> into use from there?
>>>>
>>>> My preliminary tests show that it works from inside the bundle. I'm just
>>>> wondering if there's something that I'm not aware of that would make this
>>>> a
>>>> bad idea.
>>>>



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan 22 19:35:46 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:35:46 +0100
Subject: revFontLoad Question
In-Reply-To: <4D3B42CF.3080604@comcast.net>
References: <4D3B42CF.3080604@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3500FDBD-0376-4292-8874-68C9DD5DFBB3@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Marty,

Mac OS X 10.5 and later might detect the usage of your font, before your script gets a chance to load that font. If that happens, the user will see a system dialog window, asking whether to allow your application to use that font. This  might also happen, if your application writes the font from a custom property to the temporary folder and subsequently crashes. 

The best approach is to install the font properly and to include a copyright statement and license conditions specific to the font in the license conditions of your application. (I can't resist the opportunity to say that the Installer Maker Plugin includes a feature to install fonts).

If you really don't want to do that, you might try to use the splash stack approach and write the font to disk and load it into memory before opening any stacks that use the font.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qurl.tk/ce

On 22 jan 2011, at 21:49, Marty Knapp wrote:

> I want to package a font with my Mac only app and use revFontLoad to load it into memory. Is there a problem with just tucking it inside the application bundle and loading it from there? Or should I put it into a custom property and then write it out to the user's hard drive and put it into use from there?
> 
> My preliminary tests show that it works from inside the bundle. I'm just wondering if there's something that I'm not aware of that would make this a bad idea.
> 
> Thanks,
> Marty Knapp





From irog at mac.com  Sat Jan 22 22:12:30 2011
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:12:30 -0700
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
Message-ID: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>

My goal for TimeMachine was to explore a truer perspective of the timescales of events relative to the enormous 13.7 billion year age of the universe. As an example, the entire history of human existence is like 7 seconds on a clock scaled to 14 billion years. TimeMachine will allow you to select various timescales, and then move through that time span to view images of well-known events. 

My apologies for not being able to upload this stack to RevOnline due to unknown technical difficulties. But, I really want to share this stack. So, you may download it by going to the download page of my website at    

											http://web.me.com/irog/Roger_Guay/Downloads.html  

As usual, I want to thank the LiveCode community for many of the ideas, techniques, tricks etc. that you'll find in TimeMachine. You folks are a total inspiration to me, and I hope you will enjoy this stack as much as I enjoyed building it.

Cheers,
Roger



From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sat Jan 22 22:30:46 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:30:46 -0800
Subject: revFontLoad Question
In-Reply-To: <3500FDBD-0376-4292-8874-68C9DD5DFBB3@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4D3B42CF.3080604@comcast.net>
	<3500FDBD-0376-4292-8874-68C9DD5DFBB3@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4D3BA0E6.6000709@comcast.net>

Thanks for your input Mark,

I would agree that properly  installing the font is the best approach. 
But as I can't seem to get my question answered by Apple about 
requirements for the Mac app store, I'm assuming that they won't allow it.

I did some tests quite a while ago with revFontLoad and found that once 
in a while my stack loaded faster than revFontLoad could load the font. 
This happened when you booted the program by double-clicking one of the 
user stacks. I know I could tell people to always start the app, then 
open the user stacks, but invariably someone would do otherwise. As I 
recall, though, I was loading the font on preOpenStack of my main stack. 
I will try it with Startup and maybe that will help.

Marty
> Hi Marty,
>
> Mac OS X 10.5 and later might detect the usage of your font, before your script gets a chance to load that font. If that happens, the user will see a system dialog window, asking whether to allow your application to use that font. This  might also happen, if your application writes the font from a custom property to the temporary folder and subsequently crashes.
>
> The best approach is to install the font properly and to include a copyright statement and license conditions specific to the font in the license conditions of your application. (I can't resist the opportunity to say that the Installer Maker Plugin includes a feature to install fonts).
>
> If you really don't want to do that, you might try to use the splash stack approach and write the font to disk and load it into memory before opening any stacks that use the font.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan 22 22:39:06 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:39:06 -0600
Subject: Changiing the height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <FFE6750B-E015-4FBD-A77B-EC28B0D3B8F2@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <C95F4508.506E8%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<0EAE2589-7C0C-46C2-8071-E37C238C2A66@mollysrevenge.com>	<4D3A0BD3.4020701@hyperactivesw.com>	<AANLkTikq-TpvOcjK3yUqu+vCQtCe=f4sxaCSkfLqWR=m@mail.gmail.com>	<4D3A3381.1040409@hyperactivesw.com>	<AANLkTin9ewXPemcX1nshT9=Vmd4_Mzpmkej3KPzaX-83@mail.gmail.com>	<p06240800c96096046afe@[192.168.1.94]>	<46C7A7D9-7F3E-4619-A073-6B96F02363AF@mollysrevenge.com>	<4D3B5027.2000008@hyperactivesw.com>
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Message-ID: <4D3BA2DA.5030602@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/22/11 5:38 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> ...you said:
>
>>
>> But lockloc doesn't restrict that for any object.
>
>
> I took that to mean that lockloc doesn't lock the top left of any
> object which is not what the dictionary says.  It wouldn't be the
> first time I've found inaccuracies in the dictionary so thought it
> worthwhile to confirm if it is correct or not on this issue.  Since I
> posted my comment, I've verified that the dictionary is correct.

I was holding off until I could try it so I'm glad you tested it. That's 
the nice thing about having new(er) people on the list, they see stuff I 
haven't looked at in years. You're right, and I see now why you made the 
connection.

>
> This whole mess got started by me reading the following in the
> dictionary in the entry for the height property:
>
> "If an object's lockLocation property is false, when you change its
> height, it shrinks or grows from the center. The object's top and
> bottom edges both shift, while the object's location property stays
> the same. If the object's lockLocation property is true, it shrinks
> or grows from the top left corner: the object's top edge stays in the
> same place, and the bottom edge moves."
>
> I assume the word "object" includes stacks and cards in LC
> terminolgy, but maybe I'm wrong on that.

Stacks and cards aren't. I get caught out by that once in a while in 
general-purpose mouseup handlers. For example, in a card script:

on mouseup
  put the number of the mousecontrol
end mouseup

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Jan 22 23:08:56 2011
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:08:56 -0600
Subject: File Suffix
In-Reply-To: <4D39FB7A.000003.01220@CALS_BIG_PC>
Message-ID: <C96105F8.80C11%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> O.K. Ken, given that there are companies in our business that have used more
> than a three char suffix. That still doesn't make it right.

Sorry, Cal, I'm just not seeing the big deal with "greater than 3 character"
file extensions... but maybe it's just me...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/





From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 23 00:19:35 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:19:35 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>

Found some more information on this from the Arduino Forums. It seems to me that the disconnect connect in HT is similar to what I have been doing by hand. And that HT is doing some kind of buffering due to incorrect Flow Control Settings. But how can I test this in LC??? 

> "When my program starts I set up initial parameter by sending their values to Arduino in dialog mode, then I receive and log incoming data. I test my code with Serial Monitor in Arduino 0007 Alpha IDE and everything is OK - I send and receive information to/from Arduino. When I try to do this with Windows Hyper Terminal I can?t send information to Arduino. The information is sending to Arduino only when I disconnect and connect again. With data that I receive I don?t have problems. "


> "my impression is that there seems to be a hidden control character that that the IDE sends to put the Arduino into "Serial Monitor" mode."


> "For example to adjust my software system clock on Arduino Board in IDE I send something like this string: 
> 
> ?h3im5dg? and <Enter> "


> "In Hyper Terminal this don?t work, but I make it to work. I connect to COM3, write ?h3im5dg?, click ?Disconnect?, click ?Connect? and characters are sent, the clock is set and I receive data from Arduino. If I don?t Disconnect-and-Connect I can?t send data.
> It works, but this is very inconvenient way???.."


> "HyperTerminal might be doing some sort of strange buffering, I'm not sure.  There's nothing magic about the Arduino serial monitor (it doesn't send any special codes to the board or anything). "


> "I was experiencing a problem like this, i think i fixed it by changing the flow control settings." 

> "FOund the problem... In HyperTerminal you have to set flow control to off to stop HT from buffering the input... Works like a charm now.."




-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 22, 2011, at 6:52 PM, -=>JB wrote:

> Thanks for the reply and info.  This is a very interesting thread so
> please keep us informed with anything you find that will help.
> 
> -=>JB<=-
> 
> 
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> JB,
>> 
>> That's just it - in the Arduino IDE you have Serial Monitor and it actually has an option for "No line ending", "Newline", "Carriage return", "Both NL & CR" and then most of the time it looks like 9600 baud is used.You can select from 300 to 115200 baud. You can also check a box for autoscroll. But that's it. There is no place for any other options and yet it works fine.
>> 
>> The Serial Monitor uses the "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" instead of the "/dev/cu.usbmodem1a21" that LC likes to use.
>> 
>> Also there are no options for Hardware Handshaking or any other options like we would set in the serialControlString in LC.
>> In my research I have seen people mentioning the 8 - 1 - none but all of the serial code that I've seen doesn't even set anything more than Serial.begin and Serial.println -- not even end. (--  Serial.begin(9600) and Serial.println(val) - -) I hooked up a button and connected it to Serial.end() to try to stop sending data but almost every piece of code I have seen does not use the Serial.end() at all.
>> 
>> I think there is a problem in both the code I am using to read the incoming serial data (looping and line endings) and maybe there is an issue with the buffering of the serial data coming from the Arduino Uno.
>> 
>> So, I can't find a good list of the parameters that I should use for the serial port and for entering in the serialcontrolstring.
>> 
>> Still looking though. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>> 
>> On Jan 22, 2011, at 8:51 AM, -=>JB wrote:
>> 
>>> What are the parameters they list you need for the serial port
>>> if you want the hardware to connect using a mac?  The stack
>>> I sent you can set every parameter I saw in Rev when I wrote
>>> it so I can easily alter the code to set the serialcontrolstring
>>> using the parameters they provide you instead of giving you
>>> all of the options it has now.
>>> 
>>> -=<JB<=-
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Do you have a more simple stack for LC? I just want to see if it connects...
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tom,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Which version combination are you using?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>> Claudi
>>>>> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 23 00:37:20 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:37:20 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
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The serialControlString seems to be the only way to set things for the serial port connection. Which of these might effect Buffering or cause the port to hang.

The possible settings are as follows:
* BAUD=number: the port's baud rate
* PARITY=N, O, or E: no parity, odd parity, or even parity
* DATA=numberOfDataBits
* STOP=numberOfStopBits
* to=on or off: use timeouts
* xon=on or off: software handshaking
* odsr=on or off: (output) data set ready
* octs=on or off: (output) clear to send
* dtr=on or off: data terminal ready
* rts=on or off: ready to sent
* isdr=on or off: (input) data set ready


Anyone more familiar with these setting? Would timeouts be a type of wait command? I am experiencing the hang until I disconnect, maybe that is a timeout issue or maybe timeout should be set. What is the difference between hardware handshaking and software handshaking???? Never heard of that before.. 

Data terminal ready? Is this or the next two a way to prepare or setup the port for data to transfer? As in I am about to send data and I am done sending data?

It would be helpful if there were more explanations in the docs on these. Any knowledgeable people feel free to chime in here as I am getting a heck of an education here.

And what about these:
read from process "serial.exe" for 1 int1
read from process "trap" for 4 int2
read from process "AppleScripts/Get Info" for 1 int4
read from file myFile for 3 uInt1
read from file "image.gif" for 3 real4
read from process currentInput for 1 real8
read from file "/etc/datoids" for 1 uInt2
read from file it for 17 uInt4



-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 23, 2011, at 12:19 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Found some more information on this from the Arduino Forums. It seems to me that the disconnect connect in HT is similar to what I have been doing by hand. And that HT is doing some kind of buffering due to incorrect Flow Control Settings. But how can I test this in LC??? 
> 
>> "When my program starts I set up initial parameter by sending their values to Arduino in dialog mode, then I receive and log incoming data. I test my code with Serial Monitor in Arduino 0007 Alpha IDE and everything is OK - I send and receive information to/from Arduino. When I try to do this with Windows Hyper Terminal I can?t send information to Arduino. The information is sending to Arduino only when I disconnect and connect again. With data that I receive I don?t have problems. "
> 
> 
>> "my impression is that there seems to be a hidden control character that that the IDE sends to put the Arduino into "Serial Monitor" mode."
> 
> 
>> "For example to adjust my software system clock on Arduino Board in IDE I send something like this string: 
>> 
>> ?h3im5dg? and <Enter> "
> 
> 
>> "In Hyper Terminal this don?t work, but I make it to work. I connect to COM3, write ?h3im5dg?, click ?Disconnect?, click ?Connect? and characters are sent, the clock is set and I receive data from Arduino. If I don?t Disconnect-and-Connect I can?t send data.
>> It works, but this is very inconvenient way???.."
> 
> 
>> "HyperTerminal might be doing some sort of strange buffering, I'm not sure.  There's nothing magic about the Arduino serial monitor (it doesn't send any special codes to the board or anything). "
> 
> 
>> "I was experiencing a problem like this, i think i fixed it by changing the flow control settings." 
> 
>> "FOund the problem... In HyperTerminal you have to set flow control to off to stop HT from buffering the input... Works like a charm now.."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 6:52 PM, -=>JB wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the reply and info.  This is a very interesting thread so
>> please keep us informed with anything you find that will help.
>> 
>> -=>JB<=-
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 22, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> 
>>> JB,
>>> 
>>> That's just it - in the Arduino IDE you have Serial Monitor and it actually has an option for "No line ending", "Newline", "Carriage return", "Both NL & CR" and then most of the time it looks like 9600 baud is used.You can select from 300 to 115200 baud. You can also check a box for autoscroll. But that's it. There is no place for any other options and yet it works fine.
>>> 
>>> The Serial Monitor uses the "/dev/tty.usbmodem1a21" instead of the "/dev/cu.usbmodem1a21" that LC likes to use.
>>> 
>>> Also there are no options for Hardware Handshaking or any other options like we would set in the serialControlString in LC.
>>> In my research I have seen people mentioning the 8 - 1 - none but all of the serial code that I've seen doesn't even set anything more than Serial.begin and Serial.println -- not even end. (--  Serial.begin(9600) and Serial.println(val) - -) I hooked up a button and connected it to Serial.end() to try to stop sending data but almost every piece of code I have seen does not use the Serial.end() at all.
>>> 
>>> I think there is a problem in both the code I am using to read the incoming serial data (looping and line endings) and maybe there is an issue with the buffering of the serial data coming from the Arduino Uno.
>>> 
>>> So, I can't find a good list of the parameters that I should use for the serial port and for entering in the serialcontrolstring.
>>> 
>>> Still looking though. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2011, at 8:51 AM, -=>JB wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What are the parameters they list you need for the serial port
>>>> if you want the hardware to connect using a mac?  The stack
>>>> I sent you can set every parameter I saw in Rev when I wrote
>>>> it so I can easily alter the code to set the serialcontrolstring
>>>> using the parameters they provide you instead of giving you
>>>> all of the options it has now.
>>>> 
>>>> -=<JB<=-
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Do you have a more simple stack for LC? I just want to see if it connects...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tom,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Which version combination are you using?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>> Claudi
>>>>>> 
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From jhj at jhj.com  Sun Jan 23 01:50:57 2011
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:50:57 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
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On Jan 22, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> The serialControlString seems to be the only way to set things for the serial port connection. Which of these might effect Buffering or cause the port to hang.
> 
> The possible settings are as follows:
> * BAUD=number: the port's baud rate
> * PARITY=N, O, or E: no parity, odd parity, or even parity
> * DATA=numberOfDataBits
> * STOP=numberOfStopBits
> * to=on or off: use timeouts
> * xon=on or off: software handshaking
> * odsr=on or off: (output) data set ready
> * octs=on or off: (output) clear to send
> * dtr=on or off: data terminal ready
> * rts=on or off: ready to sent
> * isdr=on or off: (input) data set ready

OK, here's a short RS232 primer. This is more than you want to know.

First, a bit of history. RS232 specified the voltages, pinout, and signal meanings for the connection between a teletype and a modem. Its STILL making life difficult for us. The spec is for a 25 pin connector. These days its usually a 9 pin or something entirely different.

The acronym for a terminal (teletype) is DTE (data terminal equipment).
The acronym for a modem is DCE (data communication equipment).
These things were slow and stupid. Besides the data lines (TxD and RxD), there are a bunch of hardware signals. 

DSR - Data Set Ready. This means the modem is powered up and connected.
DTR - Data Terminal Ready. The terminal is powered up and connected.
RTS - Request To Send. The terminal wants to send data
CTS - Clear To Send. The modem is ready to receive data

The intention was that DSR and DTR were normally true all the time in a good connection.
The intention was that RTS and CTS were used for hardware handshaking. Remember there were no buffers so there had to be some way to control flow. In reality modern implementations often completely misunderstand these meanings and may, for example require RTS and/or CTS to be true all the time and use only DTR for hardware handshaking. Or any other screwed up mix.

Usually these days, since we now have buffers, none of this hardware handshaking is used and you just have to get the lines that matter true. Your mileage may vary.

Since we have buffers, and computers behind them, the concept of software flow control comes in. This is what XON and XOFF are for. They are ASCII CHARACTERS, not control lines. So when one end or the other is about to fill its buffer, it sends an XOFF character. When its ready for more, it sends an XON. Either device can do this.

On the data lines, the transmitted signals work like this: 
When it all is ready, the line is idle (called space, as opposed to mark).
A start bit goes to mark.
Data bits are sent - marks or spaces (1 or 0). Usually there are 8 data bits.
One or more stop bits go to space. Usually 1. Possibly 1.5 or 2 (I've never seen these).
Then the receiver waits for another start bit.
The word space here refers to a voltage level, way different from an ASCII space character.

Parity is a rudimentary error checking scheme which is usually not used these days. If it is, here's what you need to know, assuming 8 data bits:
N - no parity. All 8 bit times are significant data
E - the parity bit (the eighth one) is 1 or 0 to make an even number of ones, including the first 7.
O - the parity bit is 1 or 0 to make an odd number of total ones in this "byte".

These days N,8,1 is the usual setting. No parity, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit.

Baud is short for bits per second. Bit times are the same for start, data and stop bits. 9600 baud means 9600 bits per second, so if everything is cooking along at maximum speed, there will be 960 characters sent per second (10 bits per character - start, 8 data, stop).

Oh, and there's the RI line (Ring Indicator) if somebody is calling the modem. Forget it. It was used to spin up the teletype motor.

Just to confuse you more, the specified voltage levels on TxD and RxD are +3V for space and -3V for mark (minimum). Volts up to +/- 25 are allowed. Thats right, 0 bit is +V and 1 bit is -V. These days lots of implementations cheat and use +5V and 0V instead. A full spec RS232 will not work with that.

While I'm at it, I should not forget the concept of a null modem. If two devices both act like terminals, the TxD line of one feeds the TxD line of the other (bad), the handshake lines are all crossed (bad), and it won't work. Likewise if two devices both act like modems. To make it work, an adapter or cable is wired to cross the data and handshake lines back to where the other device expects them. At least the TxD and RxD. Unfortunately many commercial null modems have a rather misguided or incomplete concept about the hardware handshake lines and may be wired in bizarre ways.

AAARRRGGGHHH !!!

Now for Arduino and LC, I have no more clues. Use timeouts. Maybe Arduino uses hardware handshake? Maybe software handshake? At least I hope this helps with the jargon.

Good luck,
Jerry Jensen




From sundown at pacifier.com  Sun Jan 23 02:13:52 2011
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-=>JB<=-)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:13:52 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
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Very nice info.  Thank you!

-=>JB<=-



On Jan 22, 2011, at 10:50 PM, Jerry J wrote:

> On Jan 22, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> The serialControlString seems to be the only way to set things for the serial port connection. Which of these might effect Buffering or cause the port to hang.
>> 
>> The possible settings are as follows:
>> * BAUD=number: the port's baud rate
>> * PARITY=N, O, or E: no parity, odd parity, or even parity
>> * DATA=numberOfDataBits
>> * STOP=numberOfStopBits
>> * to=on or off: use timeouts
>> * xon=on or off: software handshaking
>> * odsr=on or off: (output) data set ready
>> * octs=on or off: (output) clear to send
>> * dtr=on or off: data terminal ready
>> * rts=on or off: ready to sent
>> * isdr=on or off: (input) data set ready
> 
> OK, here's a short RS232 primer. This is more than you want to know.
> 
> First, a bit of history. RS232 specified the voltages, pinout, and signal meanings for the connection between a teletype and a modem. Its STILL making life difficult for us. The spec is for a 25 pin connector. These days its usually a 9 pin or something entirely different.
> 
> The acronym for a terminal (teletype) is DTE (data terminal equipment).
> The acronym for a modem is DCE (data communication equipment).
> These things were slow and stupid. Besides the data lines (TxD and RxD), there are a bunch of hardware signals. 
> 
> DSR - Data Set Ready. This means the modem is powered up and connected.
> DTR - Data Terminal Ready. The terminal is powered up and connected.
> RTS - Request To Send. The terminal wants to send data
> CTS - Clear To Send. The modem is ready to receive data
> 
> The intention was that DSR and DTR were normally true all the time in a good connection.
> The intention was that RTS and CTS were used for hardware handshaking. Remember there were no buffers so there had to be some way to control flow. In reality modern implementations often completely misunderstand these meanings and may, for example require RTS and/or CTS to be true all the time and use only DTR for hardware handshaking. Or any other screwed up mix.
> 
> Usually these days, since we now have buffers, none of this hardware handshaking is used and you just have to get the lines that matter true. Your mileage may vary.
> 
> Since we have buffers, and computers behind them, the concept of software flow control comes in. This is what XON and XOFF are for. They are ASCII CHARACTERS, not control lines. So when one end or the other is about to fill its buffer, it sends an XOFF character. When its ready for more, it sends an XON. Either device can do this.
> 
> On the data lines, the transmitted signals work like this: 
> When it all is ready, the line is idle (called space, as opposed to mark).
> A start bit goes to mark.
> Data bits are sent - marks or spaces (1 or 0). Usually there are 8 data bits.
> One or more stop bits go to space. Usually 1. Possibly 1.5 or 2 (I've never seen these).
> Then the receiver waits for another start bit.
> The word space here refers to a voltage level, way different from an ASCII space character.
> 
> Parity is a rudimentary error checking scheme which is usually not used these days. If it is, here's what you need to know, assuming 8 data bits:
> N - no parity. All 8 bit times are significant data
> E - the parity bit (the eighth one) is 1 or 0 to make an even number of ones, including the first 7.
> O - the parity bit is 1 or 0 to make an odd number of total ones in this "byte".
> 
> These days N,8,1 is the usual setting. No parity, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit.
> 
> Baud is short for bits per second. Bit times are the same for start, data and stop bits. 9600 baud means 9600 bits per second, so if everything is cooking along at maximum speed, there will be 960 characters sent per second (10 bits per character - start, 8 data, stop).
> 
> Oh, and there's the RI line (Ring Indicator) if somebody is calling the modem. Forget it. It was used to spin up the teletype motor.
> 
> Just to confuse you more, the specified voltage levels on TxD and RxD are +3V for space and -3V for mark (minimum). Volts up to +/- 25 are allowed. Thats right, 0 bit is +V and 1 bit is -V. These days lots of implementations cheat and use +5V and 0V instead. A full spec RS232 will not work with that.
> 
> While I'm at it, I should not forget the concept of a null modem. If two devices both act like terminals, the TxD line of one feeds the TxD line of the other (bad), the handshake lines are all crossed (bad), and it won't work. Likewise if two devices both act like modems. To make it work, an adapter or cable is wired to cross the data and handshake lines back to where the other device expects them. At least the TxD and RxD. Unfortunately many commercial null modems have a rather misguided or incomplete concept about the hardware handshake lines and may be wired in bizarre ways.
> 
> AAARRRGGGHHH !!!
> 
> Now for Arduino and LC, I have no more clues. Use timeouts. Maybe Arduino uses hardware handshake? Maybe software handshake? At least I hope this helps with the jargon.
> 
> Good luck,
> Jerry Jensen
> 
> 
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Jan 23 02:11:40 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:11:40 -0600
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
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	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
	<8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>
	<7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
	<06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>

thanks Jerry, I started to explain this - been messing with UARTS since the
late 70s but you did a much better job.
The bottom line is that this stuff is a lot simpler these days with buffers
and most of these handshake lines are not needed today and the voltages
don't have to be +-12 volts which was a PIA. And I've never heard of oDSR
and oDTS either..

On 23 January 2011 00:50, Jerry J <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:

> On Jan 22, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
> > The serialControlString seems to be the only way to set things for the
> serial port connection. Which of these might effect Buffering or cause the
> port to hang.
> >
> > The possible settings are as follows:
> > * BAUD=number: the port's baud rate
> > * PARITY=N, O, or E: no parity, odd parity, or even parity
> > * DATA=numberOfDataBits
> > * STOP=numberOfStopBits
> > * to=on or off: use timeouts
> > * xon=on or off: software handshaking
> > * odsr=on or off: (output) data set ready
> > * octs=on or off: (output) clear to send
> > * dtr=on or off: data terminal ready
> > * rts=on or off: ready to sent
> > * isdr=on or off: (input) data set ready
>
> OK, here's a short RS232 primer. This is more than you want to know.
>
> First, a bit of history. RS232 specified the voltages, pinout, and signal
> meanings for the connection between a teletype and a modem. Its STILL making
> life difficult for us. The spec is for a 25 pin connector. These days its
> usually a 9 pin or something entirely different.
>
> The acronym for a terminal (teletype) is DTE (data terminal equipment).
> The acronym for a modem is DCE (data communication equipment).
> These things were slow and stupid. Besides the data lines (TxD and RxD),
> there are a bunch of hardware signals.
>
> DSR - Data Set Ready. This means the modem is powered up and connected.
> DTR - Data Terminal Ready. The terminal is powered up and connected.
> RTS - Request To Send. The terminal wants to send data
> CTS - Clear To Send. The modem is ready to receive data
>
> The intention was that DSR and DTR were normally true all the time in a
> good connection.
> The intention was that RTS and CTS were used for hardware handshaking.
> Remember there were no buffers so there had to be some way to control flow.
> In reality modern implementations often completely misunderstand these
> meanings and may, for example require RTS and/or CTS to be true all the time
> and use only DTR for hardware handshaking. Or any other screwed up mix.
>
> Usually these days, since we now have buffers, none of this hardware
> handshaking is used and you just have to get the lines that matter true.
> Your mileage may vary.
>
> Since we have buffers, and computers behind them, the concept of software
> flow control comes in. This is what XON and XOFF are for. They are ASCII
> CHARACTERS, not control lines. So when one end or the other is about to fill
> its buffer, it sends an XOFF character. When its ready for more, it sends an
> XON. Either device can do this.
>
> On the data lines, the transmitted signals work like this:
> When it all is ready, the line is idle (called space, as opposed to mark).
> A start bit goes to mark.
> Data bits are sent - marks or spaces (1 or 0). Usually there are 8 data
> bits.
> One or more stop bits go to space. Usually 1. Possibly 1.5 or 2 (I've never
> seen these).
> Then the receiver waits for another start bit.
> The word space here refers to a voltage level, way different from an ASCII
> space character.
>
> Parity is a rudimentary error checking scheme which is usually not used
> these days. If it is, here's what you need to know, assuming 8 data bits:
> N - no parity. All 8 bit times are significant data
> E - the parity bit (the eighth one) is 1 or 0 to make an even number of
> ones, including the first 7.
> O - the parity bit is 1 or 0 to make an odd number of total ones in this
> "byte".
>
> These days N,8,1 is the usual setting. No parity, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit.
>
> Baud is short for bits per second. Bit times are the same for start, data
> and stop bits. 9600 baud means 9600 bits per second, so if everything is
> cooking along at maximum speed, there will be 960 characters sent per second
> (10 bits per character - start, 8 data, stop).
>
> Oh, and there's the RI line (Ring Indicator) if somebody is calling the
> modem. Forget it. It was used to spin up the teletype motor.
>
> Just to confuse you more, the specified voltage levels on TxD and RxD are
> +3V for space and -3V for mark (minimum). Volts up to +/- 25 are allowed.
> Thats right, 0 bit is +V and 1 bit is -V. These days lots of implementations
> cheat and use +5V and 0V instead. A full spec RS232 will not work with that.
>
> While I'm at it, I should not forget the concept of a null modem. If two
> devices both act like terminals, the TxD line of one feeds the TxD line of
> the other (bad), the handshake lines are all crossed (bad), and it won't
> work. Likewise if two devices both act like modems. To make it work, an
> adapter or cable is wired to cross the data and handshake lines back to
> where the other device expects them. At least the TxD and RxD. Unfortunately
> many commercial null modems have a rather misguided or incomplete concept
> about the hardware handshake lines and may be wired in bizarre ways.
>
> AAARRRGGGHHH !!!
>
> Now for Arduino and LC, I have no more clues. Use timeouts. Maybe Arduino
> uses hardware handshake? Maybe software handshake? At least I hope this
> helps with the jargon.
>
> Good luck,
> Jerry Jensen
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Jan 23 02:13:57 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:13:57 -0600
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
	<8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>
	<7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
	<06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Wt4dpSb4_5dd0ccrEOw5RzUm86yt8KdcNYwFN@mail.gmail.com>

Also in the 80's I used this hardware device that  worked well for my tape
copy project at A&M studios  the CY233 intelligent controller
chip<http://www.controlchips.com/cy233.htm>
.

On 23 January 2011 01:11, stephen barncard
<stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>wrote:

> thanks Jerry, I started to explain this - been messing with UARTS since the
> late 70s but you did a much better job.
> The bottom line is that this stuff is a lot simpler these days with buffers
> and most of these handshake lines are not needed today and the voltages
> don't have to be +-12 volts which was a PIA. And I've never heard of oDSR
> and oDTS either..
>
> On 23 January 2011 00:50, Jerry J <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 22, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>>
>> > The serialControlString seems to be the only way to set things for the
>> serial port connection. Which of these might effect Buffering or cause the
>> port to hang.
>> >
>> > The possible settings are as follows:
>> > * BAUD=number: the port's baud rate
>> > * PARITY=N, O, or E: no parity, odd parity, or even parity
>> > * DATA=numberOfDataBits
>> > * STOP=numberOfStopBits
>> > * to=on or off: use timeouts
>> > * xon=on or off: software handshaking
>> > * odsr=on or off: (output) data set ready
>> > * octs=on or off: (output) clear to send
>> > * dtr=on or off: data terminal ready
>> > * rts=on or off: ready to sent
>> > * isdr=on or off: (input) data set ready
>>
>> OK, here's a short RS232 primer. This is more than you want to know.
>>
>> First, a bit of history. RS232 specified the voltages, pinout, and signal
>> meanings for the connection between a teletype and a modem. Its STILL making
>> life difficult for us. The spec is for a 25 pin connector. These days its
>> usually a 9 pin or something entirely different.
>>
>> The acronym for a terminal (teletype) is DTE (data terminal equipment).
>> The acronym for a modem is DCE (data communication equipment).
>> These things were slow and stupid. Besides the data lines (TxD and RxD),
>> there are a bunch of hardware signals.
>>
>> DSR - Data Set Ready. This means the modem is powered up and connected.
>> DTR - Data Terminal Ready. The terminal is powered up and connected.
>> RTS - Request To Send. The terminal wants to send data
>> CTS - Clear To Send. The modem is ready to receive data
>>
>> The intention was that DSR and DTR were normally true all the time in a
>> good connection.
>> The intention was that RTS and CTS were used for hardware handshaking.
>> Remember there were no buffers so there had to be some way to control flow.
>> In reality modern implementations often completely misunderstand these
>> meanings and may, for example require RTS and/or CTS to be true all the time
>> and use only DTR for hardware handshaking. Or any other screwed up mix.
>>
>> Usually these days, since we now have buffers, none of this hardware
>> handshaking is used and you just have to get the lines that matter true.
>> Your mileage may vary.
>>
>> Since we have buffers, and computers behind them, the concept of software
>> flow control comes in. This is what XON and XOFF are for. They are ASCII
>> CHARACTERS, not control lines. So when one end or the other is about to fill
>> its buffer, it sends an XOFF character. When its ready for more, it sends an
>> XON. Either device can do this.
>>
>> On the data lines, the transmitted signals work like this:
>> When it all is ready, the line is idle (called space, as opposed to mark).
>> A start bit goes to mark.
>> Data bits are sent - marks or spaces (1 or 0). Usually there are 8 data
>> bits.
>> One or more stop bits go to space. Usually 1. Possibly 1.5 or 2 (I've
>> never seen these).
>> Then the receiver waits for another start bit.
>> The word space here refers to a voltage level, way different from an ASCII
>> space character.
>>
>> Parity is a rudimentary error checking scheme which is usually not used
>> these days. If it is, here's what you need to know, assuming 8 data bits:
>> N - no parity. All 8 bit times are significant data
>> E - the parity bit (the eighth one) is 1 or 0 to make an even number of
>> ones, including the first 7.
>> O - the parity bit is 1 or 0 to make an odd number of total ones in this
>> "byte".
>>
>> These days N,8,1 is the usual setting. No parity, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit.
>>
>> Baud is short for bits per second. Bit times are the same for start, data
>> and stop bits. 9600 baud means 9600 bits per second, so if everything is
>> cooking along at maximum speed, there will be 960 characters sent per second
>> (10 bits per character - start, 8 data, stop).
>>
>> Oh, and there's the RI line (Ring Indicator) if somebody is calling the
>> modem. Forget it. It was used to spin up the teletype motor.
>>
>> Just to confuse you more, the specified voltage levels on TxD and RxD are
>> +3V for space and -3V for mark (minimum). Volts up to +/- 25 are allowed.
>> Thats right, 0 bit is +V and 1 bit is -V. These days lots of implementations
>> cheat and use +5V and 0V instead. A full spec RS232 will not work with that.
>>
>> While I'm at it, I should not forget the concept of a null modem. If two
>> devices both act like terminals, the TxD line of one feeds the TxD line of
>> the other (bad), the handshake lines are all crossed (bad), and it won't
>> work. Likewise if two devices both act like modems. To make it work, an
>> adapter or cable is wired to cross the data and handshake lines back to
>> where the other device expects them. At least the TxD and RxD. Unfortunately
>> many commercial null modems have a rather misguided or incomplete concept
>> about the hardware handshake lines and may be wired in bizarre ways.
>>
>> AAARRRGGGHHH !!!
>>
>> Now for Arduino and LC, I have no more clues. Use timeouts. Maybe Arduino
>> uses hardware handshake? Maybe software handshake? At least I hope this
>> helps with the jargon.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Jerry Jensen
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
>
> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
>
>


-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From support at ahsomme.com  Sun Jan 23 02:17:51 2011
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:17:51 -0800
Subject: File Suffix
In-Reply-To: <C96105F8.80C11%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C96105F8.80C11%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <7207A8F7-48D7-49E4-AA98-BEB1A0089DDA@ahsomme.com>

Cal,
Another consideration:
Three characters allows for approximately 17,576 combinations  
(26*26*26).
Apple's App Store alone already has over 300,000 apps, and growing.
Three characters might have been enough in 1970 but not today.
Paul Looney

On Jan 22, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

>> O.K. Ken, given that there are companies in our business that have  
>> used more
>> than a three char suffix. That still doesn't make it right.
>
> Sorry, Cal, I'm just not seeing the big deal with "greater than 3  
> character"
> file extensions... but maybe it's just me...
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
>
>
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> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan 23 02:19:14 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:19:14 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
	<8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>
	<7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
	<06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90570741250.20110122231914@ahsoftware.net>

stephen-

Saturday, January 22, 2011, 11:11:40 PM, you wrote:

> don't have to be +-12 volts which was a PIA. And I've never heard of oDSR
> and oDTS either..

oDSR, oCTS, and iSDR (I'm really hoping that's a typo in the docs) are
apparently revspeak for the DSR, CTS, and DSR pins, with a leading o
or i to signify output or input.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Jan 23 02:25:09 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:25:09 -0600
Subject: File Suffix
In-Reply-To: <7207A8F7-48D7-49E4-AA98-BEB1A0089DDA@ahsomme.com>
References: <C96105F8.80C11%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7207A8F7-48D7-49E4-AA98-BEB1A0089DDA@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinU1=b12QF6hnthhZCXg8neR4tfJKy7XSYUWB0F@mail.gmail.com>

And the old 4 char 'creator codes' would run out at 456976 !

On 23 January 2011 01:17, Paul Looney <support at ahsomme.com> wrote:

> Cal,
> Another consideration:
> Three characters allows for approximately 17,576 combinations (26*26*26).
> Apple's App Store alone already has over 300,000 apps, and growing.
> Three characters might have been enough in 1970 but not today.
> Paul Looney
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>
>  O.K. Ken, given that there are companies in our business that have used
>>> more
>>> than a three char suffix. That still doesn't make it right.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, Cal, I'm just not seeing the big deal with "greater than 3
>> character"
>> file extensions... but maybe it's just me...
>>
>> Ken Ray
>> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
>> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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>
>
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more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Jan 23 02:29:35 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 01:29:35 -0600
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <90570741250.20110122231914@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
	<8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>
	<7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
	<06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
	<90570741250.20110122231914@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=oWwywbZwu+=m5-ihNehsu7_rxnZwVZatqq8p7@mail.gmail.com>

I could see how that could be useful with a buffer in the middle...
At that point one would need a 4 trace scope to debug problems with
these...

On 23 January 2011 01:19, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> stephen-
>
> Saturday, January 22, 2011, 11:11:40 PM, you wrote:
>
> > don't have to be +-12 volts which was a PIA. And I've never heard of oDSR
> > and oDTS either..
>
> oDSR, oCTS, and iSDR (I'm really hoping that's a typo in the docs) are
> apparently revspeak for the DSR, CTS, and DSR pins, with a leading o
> or i to signify output or input.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan 23 02:34:57 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:34:57 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
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	<06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <48571684671.20110122233457@ahsoftware.net>

Jerry-

Very nice writeup.

Tom-

Given that you're using an emulated serial port, my guess is that you
won't have to fiddle with the handshaking lines. This is where a usb
breakout box would really come in handy. But depending on the
emulation, some of the things that might affect buffering would be the
odsr, octs, dtr, and rts lines. So I'd try something like this (watch
the line wraps):

set the serialControlString to "baud=9600 parity=n data=8 stop=1
odsr=on octs=on odtr=on orts=on"

Do note that if you need to set the serialControlString, rev will
*reset* the serial port before applying your settings. This is
annoying, counterproductive, and needless, but that's the way it is.
It's caused me to rule out rev for solutions before.

Can you talk to the Arduino from a terminal window?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From jhj at jhj.com  Sun Jan 23 02:47:29 2011
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:47:29 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=oWwywbZwu+=m5-ihNehsu7_rxnZwVZatqq8p7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
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	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
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Message-ID: <DB21687D-89D6-4DAB-81CD-CAB1475E5EAB@jhj.com>

My guess was that oDSR would force the DSR line true, and iDSR would cause it to be used. More confusion about terminals vs. modems. ARGGH. I have an old slow logic analyzer that can capture all this crap if I need to, which I hope I won't because its been a long time and its no picnic to hook up, assuming I can find it (and its manual). A breakout box with LEDs is much simpler, except then I have to deal with unknown adapters and cables. ARGGH, I repeat, ARGGH. Trial and error usually wins.

On Jan 22, 2011, at 11:29 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> I could see how that could be useful with a buffer in the middle...
> At that point one would need a 4 trace scope to debug problems with
> these...
> 
> On 23 January 2011 01:19, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
>> stephen-
>> 
>> Saturday, January 22, 2011, 11:11:40 PM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> don't have to be +-12 volts which was a PIA. And I've never heard of oDSR
>>> and oDTS either..
>> 
>> oDSR, oCTS, and iSDR (I'm really hoping that's a typo in the docs) are
>> apparently revspeak for the DSR, CTS, and DSR pins, with a leading o
>> or i to signify output or input.
>> 
>> --
>> -Mark Wieder
>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>> 
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> 
> 
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> San Francisco Ca. USA
> 
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From support at ahsomme.com  Sun Jan 23 02:50:38 2011
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:50:38 -0800
Subject: File Suffix
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinU1=b12QF6hnthhZCXg8neR4tfJKy7XSYUWB0F@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C96105F8.80C11%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7207A8F7-48D7-49E4-AA98-BEB1A0089DDA@ahsomme.com>
	<AANLkTinU1=b12QF6hnthhZCXg8neR4tfJKy7XSYUWB0F@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BEA96DF-3C57-4788-BD98-CAC3C5AE5DC1@ahsomme.com>

Stephen,
More like 7,311,616 characters. The creator codes could be small  
characters or caps (except Apple reserved all lower case for itself).
Paul Looney

On Jan 22, 2011, at 11:25 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> And the old 4 char 'creator codes' would run out at 456976 !
>
> On 23 January 2011 01:17, Paul Looney <support at ahsomme.com> wrote:
>
>> Cal,
>> Another consideration:
>> Three characters allows for approximately 17,576 combinations  
>> (26*26*26).
>> Apple's App Store alone already has over 300,000 apps, and growing.
>> Three characters might have been enough in 1970 but not today.
>> Paul Looney
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>>
>>  O.K. Ken, given that there are companies in our business that  
>> have used
>>>> more
>>>> than a three char suffix. That still doesn't make it right.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, Cal, I'm just not seeing the big deal with "greater than 3
>>> character"
>>> file extensions... but maybe it's just me...
>>>
>>> Ken Ray
>>> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
>>> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>>> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan 23 03:09:53 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:09:53 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <DB21687D-89D6-4DAB-81CD-CAB1475E5EAB@jhj.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
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	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
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	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
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	<7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
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	<AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
	<90570741250.20110122231914@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=oWwywbZwu+=m5-ihNehsu7_rxnZwVZatqq8p7@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB21687D-89D6-4DAB-81CD-CAB1475E5EAB@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <14573780843.20110123000953@ahsoftware.net>

Jerry-

Saturday, January 22, 2011, 11:47:29 PM, you wrote:

> My guess was that oDSR would force the DSR line true, and iDSR
> would cause it to be used. More confusion about terminals vs.
> modems. ARGGH. I have an old slow logic analyzer that can capture

Yeah, the DTE/DCE thing would always trip me up too. Kind of like
trying to remember which is the MUA and which is the MTA. I always
have to look these things up.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 04:12:21 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:12:21 +0200
Subject: File Suffix
In-Reply-To: <C96105F8.80C11%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C96105F8.80C11%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4D3BF0F5.8020806@gmail.com>

On 01/23/2011 06:08 AM, Ken Ray wrote:
>> O.K. Ken, given that there are companies in our business that have used more
>> than a three char suffix. That still doesn't make it right.
> Sorry, Cal, I'm just not seeing the big deal with "greater than 3 character"
> file extensions... but maybe it's just me...

NO; it's not just you.

But people get hung up on what we could term 'canonicity' for all
sorts of funny reasons which normally boil down to the fact that
people would rather work with the devil they know than the devil
they don't.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Lots and lots of people I come into contact with (normally trying to
dephlogisticate their Windows systems) are aware that Linux does
not suffer from the same vulnerability to viruses that Windows
does, I have demonstrated (exhaustively and exhaustingly) how
GNOME can be configured to have the look-and-feel of Windows
(to lessen the learning curve), I have pointed out that they will
probably save a fair bit of money for anti-virus software,
down-time and technicians.

They would still, rather hang on to Windows. The answer always is
"but, we're used to Windows".
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Obviously people feel comfy with 3 letter suffixes for no good
reason than that they have been around for quite some time.

Logical or not; people's feelings have to be taken into account . . .  :)
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 04:14:05 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:14:05 +0200
Subject: File Suffix
In-Reply-To: <7207A8F7-48D7-49E4-AA98-BEB1A0089DDA@ahsomme.com>
References: <C96105F8.80C11%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<7207A8F7-48D7-49E4-AA98-BEB1A0089DDA@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <4D3BF15D.1010400@gmail.com>

On 01/23/2011 09:17 AM, Paul Looney wrote:
> Cal,
> Another consideration:
> Three characters allows for approximately 17,576 combinations (26*26*26).
> Apple's App Store alone already has over 300,000 apps, and growing.
> Three characters might have been enough in 1970 but not today.
> Paul Looney

Well; one could expand the possibility for each 'letter' to the complete 
ASCII set:

255 * 255 * 255 = a socking great number.

>
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>
>>> O.K. Ken, given that there are companies in our business that have 
>>> used more
>>> than a three char suffix. That still doesn't make it right.
>>
>> Sorry, Cal, I'm just not seeing the big deal with "greater than 3 
>> character"
>> file extensions... but maybe it's just me...
>>
>> Ken Ray
>> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
>> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>>
>>
>>
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan 23 05:08:18 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:08:18 +0000
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7scC=Za=Hxw8bbCK+ZgjjOxVd797Q8frSKftQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for that Roger - great work. I got  a good impression of the overall
scope of time playing with this. I wish I could pull it apart and add to it!

Some feedback:  first on the size of the app, I think it is both too small
and too big. I certainly wanted it larger - the design was too small to get
a good feel for the subject (on my laptop), but at the same time the design
is too big for an iPhone (NB - I think it would make a great liitle iPhone /
iPOD app). Secondly I think a "play" function would be nice to sit back and
watch?

On 23 January 2011 03:12, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:

> My goal for TimeMachine was to explore a truer perspective of the
> timescales of events relative to the enormous 13.7 billion year age of the
> universe. As an example, the entire history of human existence is like 7
> seconds on a clock scaled to 14 billion years. TimeMachine will allow you to
> select various timescales, and then move through that time span to view
> images of well-known events.
>
> My apologies for not being able to upload this stack to RevOnline due to
> unknown technical difficulties. But, I really want to share this stack. So,
> you may download it by going to the download page of my website at
>
>
>            http://web.me.com/irog/Roger_Guay/Downloads.html
>
> As usual, I want to thank the LiveCode community for many of the ideas,
> techniques, tricks etc. that you'll find in TimeMachine. You folks are a
> total inspiration to me, and I hope you will enjoy this stack as much as I
> enjoyed building it.
>
> Cheers,
> Roger
>
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From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl  Sun Jan 23 05:46:59 2011
From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:46:59 +0100
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C52892A2-8C6D-41C2-97AA-1EF54A2DF0C8@fiberworld.nl>

Tom and all,

What I have found about these settings is the baudrate of course and then 8 databits 1 stopbit no parity. That's it.

I have found this info in the pref file of the arduino IDE, which is in the users library/Arduino folder.
I have now connected a LCD screen and keypad to my arduino to get some more feedback I hope to what I am doing
and I am writing a simple test stack/scetch combo to do the further sleuthing. As soon as I have this finished/working I will post both
so you can try it. I hope I can manage to do it today.

Tom which version of OSX are you using, since with 10.5 I can send and recieve in livecode but alas with 10.6 not yet.
I use: constant kSerialSettings = "BAUD=9600 PARITY=N DATA=8 STOP=1" for the serial settings

I have no idea yet what changed between 10.5 and 10.6 and wether that's the change or that there is a difference
in the installed usb/serial driver. With 10.5 the  /dev/cu.usbmodem3d11 driver gets installed
and with 10.6 it's the    /dev/cu.usbmodem3a21  driver. So depending on the os version there is a different driver
and the problem might be in that driver.

Best wishes,
   Claudi







From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Sun Jan 23 06:50:25 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:50:25 +0100
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B0D87601-CC27-47B6-85D6-391A035F97C0@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Roger,

> My goal for TimeMachine was to explore a truer perspective of the timescales of events relative to the enormous 13.7 billion year age of the universe. As an example, the entire history of human existence is like 7 seconds on a clock scaled to 14 billion years. TimeMachine will allow you to select various timescales, and then move through that time span to view images of well-known events. 
> My apologies for not being able to upload this stack to RevOnline due to unknown technical difficulties. But, I really want to share this stack. So, you may download it by going to the download page of my website at    
> http://web.me.com/irog/Roger_Guay/Downloads.html  
> 
> As usual, I want to thank the LiveCode community for many of the ideas, techniques, tricks etc. that you'll find in TimeMachine. You folks are a total inspiration to me, and I hope you will enjoy this stack as much as I enjoyed building it.

just wonderful and very informative!
Thanks a lot for sharing!

> Cheers,
> Roger

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Sun Jan 23 07:56:31 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:56:31 +0000
Subject: Feature support by deployment type - the state of the art?
Message-ID: <159E9E19-5390-4FB1-9083-3E16C271A54F@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

Hi Folks,
Is there a high-level feature comparison table or summary somewhere that identifies what current high-level features are supported - or more importantly not supported - across the various deployment options? 

I've been learning LiveCode basics on the Mac and I'm especially interested in what restrictions I need to place on my palette before starting to play with Revlets. I've started to search the archives to identify filter options, but with the current pace of feature development we enjoy, it's difficult to establish the current state of the art. So, I wonder, has the Mothership or any of the community's cognoscenti instigated such a resource already?

Yesterday's Live LiveCode Code event sessions touched on documentation and wiki possibilities. Whilst a key focus here will be on improving the 'What?' and the 'How?' of using LiveCode's functions, could there be room for these issue of Where/When/Whether to use functions, controls, externals, third party components, etc., by deployment type?    
Best,
Keith..


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan 23 08:37:32 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:37:32 +0000
Subject: Feature support by deployment type - the state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <159E9E19-5390-4FB1-9083-3E16C271A54F@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <159E9E19-5390-4FB1-9083-3E16C271A54F@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinu5Q0-CWabFGbrSwU-Qxn2fLghJ03U_wpxwMoG@mail.gmail.com>

On 23 January 2011 12:56, Keith Clarke
<keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk>wrote:

>
> Yesterday's Live LiveCode Code event sessions touched on documentation and
> wiki possibilities. Whilst a key focus here will be on improving the 'What?'
> and the 'How?' of using LiveCode's functions, could there be room for these
> issue of Where/When/Whether to use functions, controls, externals, third
> party components, etc., by deployment type?
>

Hi Keith, I agree with you, and it is a central part of the content that I
think we need. Where/When/Whether translates for me to:

   - Where - an updated snapshot of supported platforms, what is and what is
   not supported in terms of features
   - When - an updated roadmap of features. The hard facts, and the soft
   directions.
   - Whether - things you should and should not plan for in a project.
   Rumours vs best practice

These elements are possible to address, as part of a general community
publication, but I think there are not enough resources for this as a
standalone publication. I believe they should be associated with the
existing documentation, and linked to an open source publication of useful
code, libraries and widgets.

At the next LiveCode TV event, I'll show the new distributed wiki, and how
that can glue the documentation, code samples and your Where/When/Whether
together in a way in which everyone has there own local content, but sharing
is transparently done in the background.


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 23 09:01:49 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:01:49 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
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Jerry,

I know that's the short version because I've spent two weeks reading through the long version/s available on the internet until I completely mired myself to the point I wanted to drop this project. But I have hung on and my reward is reading your well written and very well thought out description. WOW. Thank you so much for this. This description is at just the right level of detail and overview. I wish more things could be explained at this level.

You lead me to believe further that my problem probably starts with either the software handshaking and or timeouts and possibly with the buffers and how I am trying to access them.

Thank you again Jerry,


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 23, 2011, at 1:50 AM, Jerry J wrote:

> On Jan 22, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> The serialControlString seems to be the only way to set things for the serial port connection. Which of these might effect Buffering or cause the port to hang.
>> 
>> The possible settings are as follows:
>> * BAUD=number: the port's baud rate
>> * PARITY=N, O, or E: no parity, odd parity, or even parity
>> * DATA=numberOfDataBits
>> * STOP=numberOfStopBits
>> * to=on or off: use timeouts
>> * xon=on or off: software handshaking
>> * odsr=on or off: (output) data set ready
>> * octs=on or off: (output) clear to send
>> * dtr=on or off: data terminal ready
>> * rts=on or off: ready to sent
>> * isdr=on or off: (input) data set ready
> 
> OK, here's a short RS232 primer. This is more than you want to know.
> 
> First, a bit of history. RS232 specified the voltages, pinout, and signal meanings for the connection between a teletype and a modem. Its STILL making life difficult for us. The spec is for a 25 pin connector. These days its usually a 9 pin or something entirely different.
> 
> The acronym for a terminal (teletype) is DTE (data terminal equipment).
> The acronym for a modem is DCE (data communication equipment).
> These things were slow and stupid. Besides the data lines (TxD and RxD), there are a bunch of hardware signals. 
> 
> DSR - Data Set Ready. This means the modem is powered up and connected.
> DTR - Data Terminal Ready. The terminal is powered up and connected.
> RTS - Request To Send. The terminal wants to send data
> CTS - Clear To Send. The modem is ready to receive data
> 
> The intention was that DSR and DTR were normally true all the time in a good connection.
> The intention was that RTS and CTS were used for hardware handshaking. Remember there were no buffers so there had to be some way to control flow. In reality modern implementations often completely misunderstand these meanings and may, for example require RTS and/or CTS to be true all the time and use only DTR for hardware handshaking. Or any other screwed up mix.
> 
> Usually these days, since we now have buffers, none of this hardware handshaking is used and you just have to get the lines that matter true. Your mileage may vary.
> 
> Since we have buffers, and computers behind them, the concept of software flow control comes in. This is what XON and XOFF are for. They are ASCII CHARACTERS, not control lines. So when one end or the other is about to fill its buffer, it sends an XOFF character. When its ready for more, it sends an XON. Either device can do this.
> 
> On the data lines, the transmitted signals work like this: 
> When it all is ready, the line is idle (called space, as opposed to mark).
> A start bit goes to mark.
> Data bits are sent - marks or spaces (1 or 0). Usually there are 8 data bits.
> One or more stop bits go to space. Usually 1. Possibly 1.5 or 2 (I've never seen these).
> Then the receiver waits for another start bit.
> The word space here refers to a voltage level, way different from an ASCII space character.
> 
> Parity is a rudimentary error checking scheme which is usually not used these days. If it is, here's what you need to know, assuming 8 data bits:
> N - no parity. All 8 bit times are significant data
> E - the parity bit (the eighth one) is 1 or 0 to make an even number of ones, including the first 7.
> O - the parity bit is 1 or 0 to make an odd number of total ones in this "byte".
> 
> These days N,8,1 is the usual setting. No parity, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit.
> 
> Baud is short for bits per second. Bit times are the same for start, data and stop bits. 9600 baud means 9600 bits per second, so if everything is cooking along at maximum speed, there will be 960 characters sent per second (10 bits per character - start, 8 data, stop).
> 
> Oh, and there's the RI line (Ring Indicator) if somebody is calling the modem. Forget it. It was used to spin up the teletype motor.
> 
> Just to confuse you more, the specified voltage levels on TxD and RxD are +3V for space and -3V for mark (minimum). Volts up to +/- 25 are allowed. Thats right, 0 bit is +V and 1 bit is -V. These days lots of implementations cheat and use +5V and 0V instead. A full spec RS232 will not work with that.
> 
> While I'm at it, I should not forget the concept of a null modem. If two devices both act like terminals, the TxD line of one feeds the TxD line of the other (bad), the handshake lines are all crossed (bad), and it won't work. Likewise if two devices both act like modems. To make it work, an adapter or cable is wired to cross the data and handshake lines back to where the other device expects them. At least the TxD and RxD. Unfortunately many commercial null modems have a rather misguided or incomplete concept about the hardware handshake lines and may be wired in bizarre ways.
> 
> AAARRRGGGHHH !!!
> 
> Now for Arduino and LC, I have no more clues. Use timeouts. Maybe Arduino uses hardware handshake? Maybe software handshake? At least I hope this helps with the jargon.
> 
> Good luck,
> Jerry Jensen
> 
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From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl  Sun Jan 23 09:29:38 2011
From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:29:38 +0100
Subject: usb driver problem
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Tom and all,

 I have made a test stack which I now use to test my connections with the arduino board.

The sketch just echo's what it recieves back out with a delay of 500 millisecs. (It's included with the stack)

you can download the stack from:  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13685013/arduino%20tester.livecode

I have this working with my macbook OS 10.5.8    /    livecode 4.5.2 build 1150   /   arduino uno 0022   driver: /dev/cu.usbmodem3d11
I seems it's working partly with my iMac OS 10.6.6    /   livecode 4.5.1  build 1130   / arduino uno 0022   driver: /dev/cu.usbmodem3a21
   (sending seems ok. The arduino reacts by transmitting, I can see the tx led flash, but I can't seem to recieve.

The first thing I will do is to update livecode on my iMac to see what's gonna change I guess.

I'll post the results

I hope this stack will prove usefull.
I am curious what works for you. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.

Succes,
    Claudi


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 23 09:31:49 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:31:49 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
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Mark,

Thank you for this. I am going to focus on these settings you describe. Especially after reading Jerry's primer I think you both are right and this is where to start.

Yes, the Arduino can and does work well from the Terminal "screen" program. Also from 'many' downloaded serial reader/monitor applications I have found and downloaded to test this.

To complicate things further there are actually two(*) ways to use the Arduino Uno over serial connections:
(1.) The Uno comes with the Atmega8U2 which handles the Serial to USB conversion on the chip on the board (the Make board used the older FTDI method). This (Atmega8U2) is the method used for downloading sketches to and communicating with the Arduino Uno from Processing, Serial Monitor, and the Arduino IDE. 

(2.) The second method is using some of the pins on the Arduino for UART TTL (5V) Serial Communication. When you use pins 0 (RX) and 1 (TX) and #include the softwareSerial library You can in effect have two serial ports to the Arduino at the same time. The is useful if as in my case you want to use one serial port on the Computer to connect/monitor/control the Arduino Uno and use the other serial connection to connect to another serial device like the Roomba.

 (((Yes, I am building a fully autonomous lawnmower robot based on the Roomba routines with outside logic from the Arduino which will also include an OSC controller and be accessed from an iPhone. I want to be able to LC on the iPhone/Desktop instead of another OSC controller and Mark has already written the wonderful OSC library in his Make Board Controller to use.)))

NOTE: It is my bet that using the pins and the softwareSerial library MOST emulates the 'old' way (FTDI) of doing serial communications with the Arduino and would probably work as expected in LC. ( I have to dig up some old serial cables and splice them for connecting and then dig out my old Keyspan High Speed Serial Converter WITH driver). But I didn't want to confuse things from the start. It would however be better to just be able to plug in with the straight USB cable that comes with the Arduino Uno and figure out what settings on the LC side will make this work. After all it does work with Terminal and a dozen other apps.

* Actually there are many many more ways to connect not limited to but including Bluetooth, Wifi, Ethernet, IR, Radio, etc.

Thanks

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 23, 2011, at 2:34 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Jerry-
> 
> Very nice writeup.
> 
> Tom-
> 
> Given that you're using an emulated serial port, my guess is that you
> won't have to fiddle with the handshaking lines. This is where a usb
> breakout box would really come in handy. But depending on the
> emulation, some of the things that might affect buffering would be the
> odsr, octs, dtr, and rts lines. So I'd try something like this (watch
> the line wraps):
> 
> set the serialControlString to "baud=9600 parity=n data=8 stop=1
> odsr=on octs=on odtr=on orts=on"
> 
> Do note that if you need to set the serialControlString, rev will
> *reset* the serial port before applying your settings. This is
> annoying, counterproductive, and needless, but that's the way it is.
> It's caused me to rule out rev for solutions before.
> 
> Can you talk to the Arduino from a terminal window?
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 23 09:34:19 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:34:19 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
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Claudi,

I am using OSX 10.6.6

Downloading your stack now so at least we can be on the same page for testing.

Thanks

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 23, 2011, at 5:46 AM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:

> Tom and all,
> 
> What I have found about these settings is the baudrate of course and then 8 databits 1 stopbit no parity. That's it.
> 
> I have found this info in the pref file of the arduino IDE, which is in the users library/Arduino folder.
> I have now connected a LCD screen and keypad to my arduino to get some more feedback I hope to what I am doing
> and I am writing a simple test stack/scetch combo to do the further sleuthing. As soon as I have this finished/working I will post both
> so you can try it. I hope I can manage to do it today.
> 
> Tom which version of OSX are you using, since with 10.5 I can send and recieve in livecode but alas with 10.6 not yet.
> I use: constant kSerialSettings = "BAUD=9600 PARITY=N DATA=8 STOP=1" for the serial settings
> 
> I have no idea yet what changed between 10.5 and 10.6 and wether that's the change or that there is a difference
> in the installed usb/serial driver. With 10.5 the  /dev/cu.usbmodem3d11 driver gets installed
> and with 10.6 it's the    /dev/cu.usbmodem3a21  driver. So depending on the os version there is a different driver
> and the problem might be in that driver.
> 
> Best wishes,
>   Claudi
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 23 10:09:14 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:09:14 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
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Jerry,

Maybe you can answer this? The Arduino ide prefers to use the cu.usbmodem* and some of the tests I have done in LC have shown that the tty.usbmodem* is the better choice for receiving data from the Arduino Uno and the cu.usbmodem* when trying to send. I am not sure what the difference between the two of them are and why LC prefers the tty for receiving and the cu for sending??? And my test are suspect to begin with due to a lack of understanding at the start into this wonderful world  of serial communications.

Plug and Play, My Donkey!!! ;-)


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 23, 2011, at 2:47 AM, Jerry J wrote:

> My guess was that oDSR would force the DSR line true, and iDSR would cause it to be used. More confusion about terminals vs. modems. ARGGH. I have an old slow logic analyzer that can capture all this crap if I need to, which I hope I won't because its been a long time and its no picnic to hook up, assuming I can find it (and its manual). A breakout box with LEDs is much simpler, except then I have to deal with unknown adapters and cables. ARGGH, I repeat, ARGGH. Trial and error usually wins.
> 
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 11:29 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
> 
>> I could see how that could be useful with a buffer in the middle...
>> At that point one would need a 4 trace scope to debug problems with
>> these...
>> 
>> On 23 January 2011 01:19, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> stephen-
>>> 
>>> Saturday, January 22, 2011, 11:11:40 PM, you wrote:
>>> 
>>>> don't have to be +-12 volts which was a PIA. And I've never heard of oDSR
>>>> and oDTS either..
>>> 
>>> oDSR, oCTS, and iSDR (I'm really hoping that's a typo in the docs) are
>>> apparently revspeak for the DSR, CTS, and DSR pins, with a leading o
>>> or i to signify output or input.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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From xfratboy at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 10:18:56 2011
From: xfratboy at gmail.com (xfratboy)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 07:18:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: usb driver problem
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I'm coming into this conversation a bit late, but I've been wrestling with
USB/Serial communication in OSX for a several weeks now with no success.  I
doubt if this makes you feel any better.  I'm working with an FTDI chipset
(FT232R).  Communicating through this usb-to-serial-converter works
perfectly in Windows .. If I take that same stack to OSX, it fails
miserably.  It's like my code gets stuck in a sticky goo of zeros and ones. 
Something that has been helpful for my understanding was this info provided
by FTDI support:

----------
This may not be an issue with the serial settings. Understand that there?s a
huge fundamental difference between USB and the old RS232 style interface.
In the good old days, things were set up so that everything was character
based ? you send a single character, you receive a single character, and
life was good. With USB, you send a single character, and?. Nothing happens
until one of several conditions are met:
1.)	You fill up a buffer ? when the buffer is full, USB automatically
transmits out the data block (not just a single character)
2.)	Your product requests the buffer be sent (even if it?s not ?full?)
3.)	The latency timer goes off, and says to send whatever is in the buffer,
even if it?s not full (this could be a source of your lag/latency)

In order to address this, see  section 3.4 and 3.5 page 6 of TN105:
http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Documents/TechnicalNotes/TN_105%20Adding%20Support%20for%20New%20FTDI%20Devices%20to%20Mac%20Driver.pdf 

Also, keep this in mind when you are writing your application ? in visual
basic (for example), you could send out one character at a time, or a string
of characters and with RS232 it wouldn?t make any difference. With USB,
you?d want to send out a string long enough to fill the buffer length so
that USB would send it off instead of waiting for the latency timer to trip.
------

So.... this still doesn't solve my problem with hang-ups and lags, but it
did give me a place to start.  Basically, I have started poking around
inside the FTDIUSBSerialDriver.kext file found in
/System/Library/Extensions/ folder.  If your device is not showing up with
the "DriverNames" function then it's probably not in the FTDI driver's
'info.plist' file.  In which case, you would have to create a new entry in
the info.plist file for your specific device.  That's a whole-nutha-level of
trial and error which I'm staring to figure out a little bit. Feel free to
contact me off topic if you are interested in how to do this or maybe we can
start another thread.



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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 23 10:30:52 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:30:52 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <E618D6CE-55D7-41CB-98CB-E3F64AAA2881@fiberworld.nl>
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Claudi,

Ok, I downloaded your stack and am testing now. (Trivial: The Note would not go away with out error so I read it and then moved it out of the way.)

My Arduino code continuously loops sending the result of a simple math to the PC. So it returns 0 originally but if I send 1 it returns 2 and if I send 4 it returns 5 etc.

/dev/cu.usbmodem* = cu
/dev/tty.usbmodem* = tty

I tried 
cu Driver -- "Opened OK" - LED blinking send - no receiving - send blinks receive LED on Arduino Uno
tty Driver -- HANGS - LED blink send - no receiving - no sending due to hang

cu File -- "Can't open that file" NO LED blinking - no receiving - no sending
tty File -- HANGS - LED blink send - no receiving - no sending due to hang

Tried again
cu File -- HANGS (unplug USB and plug back in) - receive data in buffer???
cu File -- "Opened OK" - HANGS (unplug/replug) - receive data - no sending since I just replugged it in

Not sure what this says to this issue.

I still think there is a buffer and or flow control problem and maybe still an EOF since that is what your code uses and I stopped using that in mine and was able to get a continuos read.

Thanks (more troubleshooting)


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 23, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:

> Tom and all,
> 
> I have made a test stack which I now use to test my connections with the arduino board.
> 
> The sketch just echo's what it recieves back out with a delay of 500 millisecs. (It's included with the stack)
> 
> you can download the stack from:  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13685013/arduino%20tester.livecode
> 
> I have this working with my macbook OS 10.5.8    /    livecode 4.5.2 build 1150   /   arduino uno 0022   driver: /dev/cu.usbmodem3d11
> I seems it's working partly with my iMac OS 10.6.6    /   livecode 4.5.1  build 1130   / arduino uno 0022   driver: /dev/cu.usbmodem3a21
>   (sending seems ok. The arduino reacts by transmitting, I can see the tx led flash, but I can't seem to recieve.
> 
> The first thing I will do is to update livecode on my iMac to see what's gonna change I guess.
> 
> I'll post the results
> 
> I hope this stack will prove usefull.
> I am curious what works for you. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.
> 
> Succes,
>    Claudi
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 23 10:49:34 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:49:34 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <1295795936314-3232620.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
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xfratboy,

One thing, in the past on the mac I had problems using a regular serial adapter but once I switched to a Keyspan high speed serial adapter everything worked fine and the driver for that was a standard driver that worked for FTDI devices. But that was a few years ago so things may be different.

Now as to FTDI, the Arduino Uno no longer uses the FTDI chip and instead uses the Atmega8U2 USB chip. So no driver is needed or used on the Mac side but one is supplied for the older boards that use the FTDI chip. I tried installing it anyway with no luck as I suspected it wouldn't.

The Atmega8U2 shows up in Networks as a real modem and as such does not show up in LC using the devicenames just like the internal modem does not show up. Mark has a bit of shell code that gets the address for the Arduino Uno and provides it to LC. This is what Claudi and I are using to get the port.

This does not rule out that something may have changed in either later versions of OSX or in later versions of LC as well.

I now understand (what I suspected) that both the PC and the Arduino Uno have a buffer waiting to be filled up and dumped. 

The Arduino fills up the buffer and then 'requests' to send it out ---- what command is sent? what should be listened for in LC?
The LC listens and 'gets' the data --- what command is sent to get the data? 

If no timer is entered then is there a default? anyway? 


We may need to register the USB (non-FTDI) in the plist you mention since it doesn't show up in driverNames if only for LC to 'see' it like it sees the FTDI chip (as in Marks Make Board example).

Hmmmm, I may contact you on that. Thanks.


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 23, 2011, at 10:18 AM, xfratboy wrote:

> 
> I'm coming into this conversation a bit late, but I've been wrestling with
> USB/Serial communication in OSX for a several weeks now with no success.  I
> doubt if this makes you feel any better.  I'm working with an FTDI chipset
> (FT232R).  Communicating through this usb-to-serial-converter works
> perfectly in Windows .. If I take that same stack to OSX, it fails
> miserably.  It's like my code gets stuck in a sticky goo of zeros and ones. 
> Something that has been helpful for my understanding was this info provided
> by FTDI support:
> 
> ----------
> This may not be an issue with the serial settings. Understand that there?s a
> huge fundamental difference between USB and the old RS232 style interface.
> In the good old days, things were set up so that everything was character
> based ? you send a single character, you receive a single character, and
> life was good. With USB, you send a single character, and?. Nothing happens
> until one of several conditions are met:
> 1.)	You fill up a buffer ? when the buffer is full, USB automatically
> transmits out the data block (not just a single character)
> 2.)	Your product requests the buffer be sent (even if it?s not ?full?)
> 3.)	The latency timer goes off, and says to send whatever is in the buffer,
> even if it?s not full (this could be a source of your lag/latency)
> 
> In order to address this, see  section 3.4 and 3.5 page 6 of TN105:
> http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Documents/TechnicalNotes/TN_105%20Adding%20Support%20for%20New%20FTDI%20Devices%20to%20Mac%20Driver.pdf 
> 
> Also, keep this in mind when you are writing your application ? in visual
> basic (for example), you could send out one character at a time, or a string
> of characters and with RS232 it wouldn?t make any difference. With USB,
> you?d want to send out a string long enough to fill the buffer length so
> that USB would send it off instead of waiting for the latency timer to trip.
> ------
> 
> So.... this still doesn't solve my problem with hang-ups and lags, but it
> did give me a place to start.  Basically, I have started poking around
> inside the FTDIUSBSerialDriver.kext file found in
> /System/Library/Extensions/ folder.  If your device is not showing up with
> the "DriverNames" function then it's probably not in the FTDI driver's
> 'info.plist' file.  In which case, you would have to create a new entry in
> the info.plist file for your specific device.  That's a whole-nutha-level of
> trial and error which I'm staring to figure out a little bit. Feel free to
> contact me off topic if you are interested in how to do this or maybe we can
> start another thread.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/usb-driver-problem-tp3219220p3232620.html
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 23 10:59:34 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:59:34 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <C52892A2-8C6D-41C2-97AA-1EF54A2DF0C8@fiberworld.nl>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
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This is the part that gets me. If you were able to get it working in 10.5 then what has changed in 10.6 ?????

I don't have 10.5 to test. I am curious if LC knows what might have changed and if they have accounted for it in these newer versions of LC? They may not even be aware of a problem if there is a problem.

This might be a bug???

Thoughts?


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 23, 2011, at 5:46 AM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:

> 
> Tom which version of OSX are you using, since with 10.5 I can send and recieve in livecode but alas with 10.6 not yet.




From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 23 11:02:15 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:02:15 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <C52892A2-8C6D-41C2-97AA-1EF54A2DF0C8@fiberworld.nl>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
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	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
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Also, I was under the impression that the 3d11 was a serial number from the Arduino forums but maybe they were wrong about that.

I wonder if that is a registration number of that port as it were.

So two different numbers on two OS's or machines would be normal. Still no answer though.


More research...

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 23, 2011, at 5:46 AM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:

> With 10.5 the  /dev/cu.usbmodem3d11 driver gets installed
> and with 10.6 it's the    /dev/cu.usbmodem3a21  driver. 




From irog at mac.com  Sun Jan 23 11:32:43 2011
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:32:43 -0700
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 88, Issue 55
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8373.1295793267.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.8373.1295793267.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1C2159AE-12E7-4B82-9FA2-B6829E28ECA6@mac.com>

Thanks for your feedback, David (and Klaus). I'm certain that you could pull it apart and add to it, but I thought it might be fun to add the ability for users to add events to it without pulling it apart. I'll certainly give that some thought. And a "play" function sounds interesting too. Hmmm....

As to size, I felt that the bigger problem for something like this was to keep the byte size down, what with all of the images needed for it. Hence, the images were kept to a minimum size, which led to the size of the TimeScope etc.  My wife, wants me to convert this to an iPad app, but I haven't gotten very far with that whole arena . . . yet.

Thanks and cheers,

Roger


On Jan 23, 2011, at 7:34 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:08:18 +0000
> From: David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: [ANN] TimeMachine
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTim7scC=Za=Hxw8bbCK+ZgjjOxVd797Q8frSKftQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Thanks for that Roger - great work. I got  a good impression of the overall
> scope of time playing with this. I wish I could pull it apart and add to it!
> 
> Some feedback:  first on the size of the app, I think it is both too small
> and too big. I certainly wanted it larger - the design was too small to get
> a good feel for the subject (on my laptop), but at the same time the design
> is too big for an iPhone (NB - I think it would make a great liitle iPhone /
> iPOD app). Secondly I think a "play" function would be nice to sit back and
> watch?
> 
> On 23 January 2011 03:12, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> My goal for TimeMachine was to explore a truer perspective of the
>> timescales of events relative to the enormous 13.7 billion year age of the
>> universe. As an example, the entire history of human existence is like 7
>> seconds on a clock scaled to 14 billion years. TimeMachine will allow you to
>> select various timescales, and then move through that time span to view
>> images of well-known events.
>> 
>> My apologies for not being able to upload this stack to RevOnline due to
>> unknown technical difficulties. But, I really want to share this stack. So,
>> you may download it by going to the download page of my website at
>> 
>> 
>>           http://web.me.com/irog/Roger_Guay/Downloads.html
>> 
>> As usual, I want to thank the LiveCode community for many of the ideas,
>> techniques, tricks etc. that you'll find in TimeMachine. You folks are a
>> total inspiration to me, and I hope you will enjoy this stack as much as I
>> enjoyed building it.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Roger
> 



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan 23 12:09:26 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:09:26 +0000
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 88, Issue 55
In-Reply-To: <1C2159AE-12E7-4B82-9FA2-B6829E28ECA6@mac.com>
References: <mailman.8373.1295793267.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<1C2159AE-12E7-4B82-9FA2-B6829E28ECA6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin5E+s9Qt9Dq5aY+VKfKpe0sEyKh09RWVRRn_ZA@mail.gmail.com>

Not just your wife :)

On 23 January 2011 16:32, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:

>
> As to size, I felt that the bigger problem for something like this was to
> keep the byte size down, what with all of the images needed for it. Hence,
> the images were kept to a minimum size, which led to the size of the
> TimeScope etc.  My wife, wants me to convert this to an iPad app, but I
> haven't gotten very far with that whole arena . . . yet.
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 12:14:17 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:14:17 +0200
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 88, Issue 55
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin5E+s9Qt9Dq5aY+VKfKpe0sEyKh09RWVRRn_ZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.8373.1295793267.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>	<1C2159AE-12E7-4B82-9FA2-B6829E28ECA6@mac.com>
	<AANLkTin5E+s9Qt9Dq5aY+VKfKpe0sEyKh09RWVRRn_ZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D3C61E9.4090901@gmail.com>

On 01/23/2011 07:09 PM, David Bovill wrote:
> Not just your wife :)
>
> On 23 January 2011 16:32, Roger Guay<irog at mac.com>  wrote:
>
>> As to size, I felt that the bigger problem for something like this was to
>> keep the byte size down, what with all of the images needed for it. Hence,
>> the images were kept to a minimum size, which led to the size of the
>> TimeScope etc.  My wife, wants me to convert this to an iPad app, but I
>> haven't gotten very far with that whole arena . . . yet.
>>
>

Wives, byte sizes, conversion . . . almost as inflammatory words as 
'cheese' . . .  :)

I do feel that, with the advent of computers with bucketloads of RAM and
socking-great hard disks the virtue of trying to keep ones files small has
got lost.

With the advent of a new generation of micro-computer (phones, mp4 
players, and so on),
that virtue may not be seen as quite as redundant as people have been 
thinking recently.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jan 23 12:27:59 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:27:59 -0800
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 88, Issue 55
In-Reply-To: <4D3C61E9.4090901@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.8373.1295793267.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<1C2159AE-12E7-4B82-9FA2-B6829E28ECA6@mac.com>
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	<4D3C61E9.4090901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <129607266250.20110123092759@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Sunday, January 23, 2011, 9:14:17 AM, you wrote:

> With the advent of a new generation of micro-computer (phones, mp4
> players, and so on),
> that virtue may not be seen as quite as redundant as people have been
> thinking recently.

You and I are old enough to remember when squeezing bytes out of a
program was something to strive for. The Company That Shall Not Be
Named changed all that when they invented MSBloatware(tm) and
unfortunately the rest of the world followed suit. And modern CS
courses concentrate on top-down design these days at the expense of
code efficiency and elegance. Even in embedded systems it's no longer
as necessary to count bytes these days.

I'm still upset about having to carry around all the baggage of the LC
engine for a small standalone program. In the pre-4.0 days I could
write a simple script that would invoke the engine and run.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 13:39:25 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:39:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Show Linktext on mousemove
Message-ID: <1295807965510-3232843.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi all, 

I put this script in a locked field (named "LinkedTextExample"), 
to show the actual link text in another field (named "ActualLink"), 
placed at the bottom of the locked field. 

But randomly this script produces an error like this: 

field "LinkedTextExample": execution error at line 2 
(Chunk: no target found), char 57 

on mousemove 
   if the hilite of button "ShowLinkText" and the linktext of the mousetext
<> empty 
   then 
      put "Actual link is: " & the linktext of the mousetext into fld
"ActualLink" 
      set the textcolor of char 44 to -1 of fld "ActualLink" to blue 
   else 
      put empty into fld "ActualLink" 
   end if 
end mousemove 

Sometimes, it seems that the error is triguered by moving quickly 
the mouse pointer over the locked field. 

Does exists a safer way to show the linked text, than using 
a mousemove handler? 

Thanks in advance! 

Al
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From Camm29 at tesco.net  Sun Jan 23 14:34:16 2011
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:34:16 -0000
Subject: Reading Ascii Char 248 ? the degress sign
Message-ID: <000001cbbb34$86059f40$9210ddc0$@net>

I am reading blocks of text via a socket ..... data is from wind direction
unit.

 

It fails to process Ascii char 248 , the degrees sign , how can I read the
extended chars.

 

Help !! 

 

Regards

Camm

 

 



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 14:41:07 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:41:07 +0200
Subject: Reading Ascii Char 248 ? the degress sign
In-Reply-To: <000001cbbb34$86059f40$9210ddc0$@net>
References: <000001cbbb34$86059f40$9210ddc0$@net>
Message-ID: <4D3C8453.4050206@gmail.com>

On 01/23/2011 09:34 PM, Camm wrote:
> I am reading blocks of text via a socket ..... data is from wind direction
> unit.
>
>
>
> It fails to process Ascii char 248 , the degrees sign , how can I read the
> extended chars.
>
>
>
> Help !!
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Camm
>
>
You won't like this:

You will probably have to use numToChar and charToNum [all described
reasonably well in the documentation].


From massung at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 14:55:52 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:55:52 -0700
Subject: Show Linktext on mousemove
In-Reply-To: <1295807965510-3232843.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1295807965510-3232843.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C61CA449-FBDF-4B27-BC92-BA8CA1A29A5C@gmail.com>

I have never experienced an error like this and I do something similar all the time in my stack. One difference between your code and my code is that I get the linkText like so:

get the linkText of the mouseCharChunk

Instead of using the mouseText. I don't know if there's a difference here in what the engine -should- do, but you may want to try the mouseCharChunk and see if that fixes your problem.

Jeff M.


On Jan 23, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I put this script in a locked field (named "LinkedTextExample"), 
> to show the actual link text in another field (named "ActualLink"), 
> placed at the bottom of the locked field. 
> 
> But randomly this script produces an error like this: 
> 
> field "LinkedTextExample": execution error at line 2 
> (Chunk: no target found), char 57 
> 
> on mousemove 
>   if the hilite of button "ShowLinkText" and the linktext of the mousetext
> <> empty 
>   then 
>      put "Actual link is: " & the linktext of the mousetext into fld
> "ActualLink" 
>      set the textcolor of char 44 to -1 of fld "ActualLink" to blue 
>   else 
>      put empty into fld "ActualLink" 
>   end if 
> end mousemove 
> 
> Sometimes, it seems that the error is triguered by moving quickly 
> the mouse pointer over the locked field. 
> 
> Does exists a safer way to show the linked text, than using 
> a mousemove handler? 
> 
> Thanks in advance! 
> 
> Al
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Show-Linktext-on-mousemove-tp3232843p3232843.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From massung at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 14:55:52 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:55:52 -0700
Subject: Show Linktext on mousemove
In-Reply-To: <1295807965510-3232843.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1295807965510-3232843.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C61CA449-FBDF-4B27-BC92-BA8CA1A29A5C@gmail.com>

I have never experienced an error like this and I do something similar all the time in my stack. One difference between your code and my code is that I get the linkText like so:

get the linkText of the mouseCharChunk

Instead of using the mouseText. I don't know if there's a difference here in what the engine -should- do, but you may want to try the mouseCharChunk and see if that fixes your problem.

Jeff M.


On Jan 23, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I put this script in a locked field (named "LinkedTextExample"), 
> to show the actual link text in another field (named "ActualLink"), 
> placed at the bottom of the locked field. 
> 
> But randomly this script produces an error like this: 
> 
> field "LinkedTextExample": execution error at line 2 
> (Chunk: no target found), char 57 
> 
> on mousemove 
>   if the hilite of button "ShowLinkText" and the linktext of the mousetext
> <> empty 
>   then 
>      put "Actual link is: " & the linktext of the mousetext into fld
> "ActualLink" 
>      set the textcolor of char 44 to -1 of fld "ActualLink" to blue 
>   else 
>      put empty into fld "ActualLink" 
>   end if 
> end mousemove 
> 
> Sometimes, it seems that the error is triguered by moving quickly 
> the mouse pointer over the locked field. 
> 
> Does exists a safer way to show the linked text, than using 
> a mousemove handler? 
> 
> Thanks in advance! 
> 
> Al
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Show-Linktext-on-mousemove-tp3232843p3232843.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 15:48:11 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:48:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Show Linktext on mousemove
In-Reply-To: <C61CA449-FBDF-4B27-BC92-BA8CA1A29A5C@gmail.com>
References: <1295807965510-3232843.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C61CA449-FBDF-4B27-BC92-BA8CA1A29A5C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1295815691659-3233005.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Jeff,

I found a reliable way to recreate the error everytime.
The condition that trigguers the error occurs only when
mouseText (or mouseCharChunk) is empty.

Adding another condition: "the mousetext is not empty"
to IF, THEN, ELSE solves the error:

on mousemove 
   if the hilite of button "ShowLinkText" and the mousetext <> empty and \
   the linktext of the mousetext <> empty 
   then 
      put "Actual link is: " & the linktext of the mousetext into fld
"ActualLink" 
      set the textcolor of char 44 to -1 of fld "ActualLink" to blue 
   else 
      put empty into fld "ActualLink" 
   end if 
end mousemove 

Many thanks for your idea, Jeff! :-)

Al

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From jhj at jhj.com  Sun Jan 23 16:57:38 2011
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:57:38 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <655D7C24-63FF-434F-81A0-98C01C4D86C5@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
	<8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>
	<7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
	<06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
	<90570741250.20110122231914@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=oWwywbZwu+=m5-ihNehsu7_rxnZwVZatqq8p7@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB21687D-89D6-4DAB-81CD-CAB1475E5EAB@jhj.com> <655D7
	C24-63FF-434F-81A0-98C01C4D86C5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <ECE1EB9C-DDE0-48AC-8FCF-A076705F49D1@jhj.com>

On Jan 23, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Jerry,
> 
> Maybe you can answer this? The Arduino ide prefers to use the cu.usbmodem* and some of the tests I have done in LC have shown that the tty.usbmodem* is the better choice for receiving data from the Arduino Uno and the cu.usbmodem* when trying to send. I am not sure what the difference between the two of them are and why LC prefers the tty for receiving and the cu for sending??? And my test are suspect to begin with due to a lack of understanding at the start into this wonderful world  of serial communications.

I don't have much experience with UNIX drivers, or how they're named. I can guess what tty is short for, but no clue about cu. As for the chars at the end (like 3d11 or 3a21) are those identifiers assigned by UNIX to be sure each driver is unique? I know that happens with disk names, but its just a guess here. Over to you, UNIX guts gurus!

--Jerry




From davidocoker at gmail.com  Sun Jan 23 18:05:22 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:05:22 -0600
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <ECE1EB9C-DDE0-48AC-8FCF-A076705F49D1@jhj.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
	<8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>
	<7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
	<06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
	<90570741250.20110122231914@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=oWwywbZwu+=m5-ihNehsu7_rxnZwVZatqq8p7@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB21687D-89D6-4DAB-81CD-CAB1475E5EAB@jhj.com>
	<655D7C24-63FF-434F-81A0-98C01C4D86C5@mac.com>
	<ECE1EB9C-DDE0-48AC-8FCF-A076705F49D1@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikMW96Oqim-Ev5RsN1mvCTNH8ERE9WAExs6oh4g@mail.gmail.com>

> I don't have much experience with UNIX drivers, or how they're named. I can guess what tty is short for, but no clue about cu.

This resource may be helpful to ya:
http://www.computerhope.com/unix/ucu.htm

Best regards,
David C.



From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl  Sun Jan 23 18:15:13 2011
From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 00:15:13 +0100
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <ECE1EB9C-DDE0-48AC-8FCF-A076705F49D1@jhj.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
	<8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>
	<7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
	<06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
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	<DB21687D-89D6-4DAB-81CD-CAB1475E5EAB@jhj.com> <655D7
	C24-63FF-434F-81A0-98C01C4D86C5@mac.com>
	<ECE1EB9C-DDE0-48AC-8FCF-A076705F49D1@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <620259BF-617F-4E9F-B83E-F864B4BE8591@fiberworld.nl>

Hello all,

It's good to see this thread is picking up some steam, because this could realy be something LC could shine in.
A easy and powerful environment to control all things around us, motors, sensors, solarpanels, your thermostat, you name it, the sky is the limit.

Ok, it's getting strange now. On my macbook with os 10.5.8 and my test stack sending and the aduino echoing all goes well, more or less.
Now I uploaded a scetch where the arduino does the sending all on it's own with:
 Serial.print,("Hello world");
 Serial.print("some more");
 delay(300);

I seem to recieve nothing. No I send something and suddenly I see a lot of "hello world some more" and then livecode freezes up and crashes hard.
It just quits. So there defenitly seems to be a problem with LC. I even tryed a try clause around the recieving code but no avail what soever.
It's just a hard crash. LC 4.5.3,LC 4.5.2 and LC 4.5.1

Now I changed the arduino scetch a bit and it does just  
Serial.print("1");

Now initialy I don't seem to recieve anything (using read from driver send at regular intervals)
Next I send a char to the arduino and suddenly I recieve a lot of one's 
first there are a lot on one line ( each succesive read is on a new line so these were in the buffer and read in one go)
then some 1 on one line and sometimes there are two 1 on one line.  ( I  scan the input each half sec's and send every 300 millisecs so this looks ok)

This raises at least 2 questions:
1. Why do I need a send at least one char before I can recieve?
2. Why does LC crash when I do?
      Serial.print,("Hello world");
      Serial.print("some more");

After a bit more expirimentation I discovered that I can send up to "hello " chars and all works fine with 10.5.8
one char more and troubles start, LC crashes. 
Well it's a bit more complex. I now send "hello" every 300 millisecs. In LC I read the port every sec ( to build up in the buffer). So as soon as I send a char to start recieving ( I know this is strange but somehow needs to be done) I recieve a lot of hello's as one block then they trickle in but very soon LC will just crash hard.

I'll do some more sleuthing and post the results as soon as I have some time. 
LC just crashes all the while after recieving now.
I think I need some sleep. It just drives me crazy.

This seems to me a big problem  'cause LC could be a great environment just for this kind of stuff. Specialy with the firmata project
of arduino which, if I understand it correctly will allow people to use the arduino without need to learn to programming the thing. 
It will just expose/make accesible all the pins of the ardiuino to the environment like LC. This means you can configuer each pin 
and read and write to each pin on the arduino completly from within LC. No programming of the arduino required
A great opportunity which could open up  a exciting new world: interaction with the outer world without learning a new language.
LC realy should not just crash and dye on us in this horribly way when reading from a driver or file as serial port.

Another question: where are these drivers installed on my disk? Perhaps I could swap the 10.5/x version with the 10.6.x version to see if that
will help. No idea but I am willing to try anything. (When installing choosing custom I can see there are 2 different drivers but one is always greyed
out. A different one is greyed out for 10.5.x and 10.6.x) I read somewhere there is also some kex file or something like that. Anyone any idea's?


Lots of succes,
   Claudi



On 23 jan 2011, at 22:57, Jerry J wrote:

> On Jan 23, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> Jerry,
>> 
>> Maybe you can answer this? The Arduino ide prefers to use the cu.usbmodem* and some of the tests I have done in LC have shown that the tty.usbmodem* is the better choice for receiving data from the Arduino Uno and the cu.usbmodem* when trying to send. I am not sure what the difference between the two of them are and why LC prefers the tty for receiving and the cu for sending??? And my test are suspect to begin with due to a lack of understanding at the start into this wonderful world  of serial communications.
> 
> I don't have much experience with UNIX drivers, or how they're named. I can guess what tty is short for, but no clue about cu. As for the chars at the end (like 3d11 or 3a21) are those identifiers assigned by UNIX to be sure each driver is unique? I know that happens with disk names, but its just a guess here. Over to you, UNIX guts gurus!
> 
> --Jerry
> 
> 
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From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl  Sun Jan 23 18:21:28 2011
From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 00:21:28 +0100
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikMW96Oqim-Ev5RsN1mvCTNH8ERE9WAExs6oh4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
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	<AANLkTikMW96Oqim-Ev5RsN1mvCTNH8ERE9WAExs6oh4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9A47BA9-37BA-4571-8601-D331B91C0A4B@fiberworld.nl>


Anybody know where to look for the crash log of LC? 
Perhaps this might give a clue. I opened up console but didn't find the relevant part to look.

Best wishes,
   Claudi




From jhj at jhj.com  Sun Jan 23 18:27:14 2011
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:27:14 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikMW96Oqim-Ev5RsN1mvCTNH8ERE9WAExs6oh4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
	<8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>
	<7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
	<06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
	<90570741250.20110122231914@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=oWwywbZwu+=m5-ihNehsu7_rxnZwVZatqq8p7@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB21687D-89D6-4DAB-81CD-CAB1475E5EAB@jhj.com> <655D7
	C24-63FF-434F-81A0-98C01C4D86C5@mac.com>
	<ECE1EB9C-DDE0-48AC-8FCF-A076705F49D1@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTikMW96Oqim-Ev5RsN1mvCTNH8ERE9WAExs6oh4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E8C596B-4378-44B6-9DE4-69A2AC924C77@jhj.com>

On Jan 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, David C. wrote:

>> I don't have much experience with UNIX drivers, or how they're named. I can guess what tty is short for, but no clue about cu.
> 
> This resource may be helpful to ya:
> http://www.computerhope.com/unix/ucu.htm

The first two hits when googling /dev/cu explain some things, not necessarily help...

--Jerry





From jmyepes at mac.com  Sun Jan 23 19:25:23 2011
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 16:25:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Move many buttons all at same time
In-Reply-To: <88A20AE0-C525-473E-AD55-C7AA481FAE97@derbrill.de>
References: <1295607871260-3229365.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<88A20AE0-C525-473E-AD55-C7AA481FAE97@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <1295828723051-3233222.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Malte,

The outer repeat loop is for perform the movement of the buttons, I have X
buttons that move from a initial position to a position-1, then when all the
X buttons finish the movement, all move to position-2, position-3,
position-n until the last position.
But all the buttons must perform the movement at same time. The user move
the buttons and save the positions, move again and save again.

"f_punts" have the location and the object name.


Salut,
Josep

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From jmyepes at mac.com  Sun Jan 23 19:27:27 2011
From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 16:27:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: AnimationEngine: How to include into iOS project?
Message-ID: <1295828847047-3233223.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi,

How I must include AEngine stack into my iOS project? 


Salut,
Josep 
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Jan 23 20:03:46 2011
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 02:03:46 +0100
Subject: AnimationEngine: How to include into iOS project?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1295805602.14683.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.5.1295805602.14683.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA58B67B-5016-4040-8770-91F3B1C1A582@derbrill.de>

Hi Josep,

easiest way is to make AE a substack of your mainstack. Open the messagebox and type:

set the mainstack of stack "animationEngine" to "nameOfYourStackHere"

You could also add it using the standalone application settings:

standalone application settings -> copy files

If you choose the former add

start using stack "animationEngine" somewhere sensible (like in openStack)

If u sing the latter:

start using stack (specialfolderpath("engine")&"/path/to/ae")

where path/to/ae depends on the folder structure you were adding the file from.

Hope that helps,

Malte


From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sun Jan 23 20:35:36 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:35:36 -0800
Subject: Weird Save/Quit behavior
Message-ID: <E803A68B-82C4-4BD2-8AD1-D8E36F3D9EA8@mollysrevenge.com>

I just finished making some widespread changes to around 50 or so scripts of controls in various substacks of my main stack.  After compiling them and cIosing their script editor windows, I selected Save from the File menu and got a window listing the main stack and every one of its substacks, claiming it was saving them all.  Then I quit the application.  LC opened up every stack with a script in it that had been changed (and presumably saved) and asked me if I wanted to save it!!

In the past, I've complained about being able to quit LC and not always getting a warning about the need to save.  Maybe LC is making up for those occasions by needlessly saving everything twice!

Pete Haworth











From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jan 24 01:55:00 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 22:55:00 -0800
Subject: iOS Simulator Thinks It's an iPad?
Message-ID: <C9626244.5076A%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hey all, I'm having the reverse of the problem Colin recently had with the
iOS simulator.

Instead being unable to get the simulator to display in iPad format, I'm
unable to get it to display in iPhone/iPod format.  It's stuck in iPad
format when previewing an iPhone sized stack.  I've done all the expected
stuff: selected iPhone in the Hardware>Device menu, Reset Content and
Settings, triple checked the standalone settings of my stack (Supported
Devices: iPod and iPhone), restarted LC half a dozen times, and no matter
what, the simulator opens in iPad format.  The only way I've been able to
test my stacks is to enable 2x view in the iPad-sized simulator.

Any suggestions on how to get the simulator to forget the iPad settings?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com  Mon Jan 24 02:34:46 2011
From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:34:46 +0200
Subject: Ivalentina (iphone/ipad) APPROVED to AppStore, It is FREE.
Message-ID: <C962F836.E4676%ruslan_zasukhin@valentina-db.com>

Hi All,

You can find it here

iphone:

    http://itunes.apple.com/app/ivalentina/id415381086?mt=8


iPAD

    http://itunes.apple.com/app/ivalentina-for-ipad/id415367982?mt=8


-----------
IValentina requires a Valentina Server.

So if you use any Valentina Server, you may find it useful.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]





From fredi at gerts.ch  Mon Jan 24 02:48:57 2011
From: fredi at gerts.ch (Fredi Gertsch)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:48:57 +0100
Subject: Trev editor
Message-ID: <BCE8FB4D-E189-4D49-840C-2EDF8AE94EF5@gerts.ch>

Does anybody know whats happen with the trev editor?

Fredi Gertsch

Sent from my iPhone 



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 24 05:22:36 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 02:22:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Trev editor
In-Reply-To: <BCE8FB4D-E189-4D49-840C-2EDF8AE94EF5@gerts.ch>
Message-ID: <980409.76423.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 1/23/11, Fredi Gertsch <fredi at gerts.ch> wrote:
> Does anybody know whats happen with
> the trev editor?
> 
> Fredi Gertsch
> 

tRev is now Remo: <http://remoeditor.com/>

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jan 24 05:39:44 2011
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:39:44 +0000
Subject: Trev editor
In-Reply-To: <BCE8FB4D-E189-4D49-840C-2EDF8AE94EF5@gerts.ch>
References: <BCE8FB4D-E189-4D49-840C-2EDF8AE94EF5@gerts.ch>
Message-ID: <4D3D56F0.4090809@tweedly.net>


It got renamed to Remo, and can be found at

http://remoeditor.com/

Remo is now Mac only - Windows was proving too hard for them to support.

If you are unfortunately limited to Windows, you should look into GLX2 
instead (see the archves of this list for recent postings, it is now 
open source)

-- Alex.

On 24/01/2011 07:48, Fredi Gertsch wrote:
> Does anybody know whats happen with the trev editor?
>
> Fredi Gertsch
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Mon Jan 24 06:32:47 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:32:47 +0000
Subject: Feature support by deployment type - the state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinu5Q0-CWabFGbrSwU-Qxn2fLghJ03U_wpxwMoG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <159E9E19-5390-4FB1-9083-3E16C271A54F@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<AANLkTinu5Q0-CWabFGbrSwU-Qxn2fLghJ03U_wpxwMoG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05A53204-11B4-487D-BBDE-F6D6333E987D@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

David, 
I'm looking forward to the discussion next week - and also a better mechanisms for shared content. Thanks for taking the initiative on that.

However, whilst a wiki might help with 'How-to' documentation, I'm not sure it would be the ideal solution to address the core data and process management issues here. There is a need for structure and clarity around entities (platforms, controls, components, script features, etc), relationships (e.g. the degree of feature support) and implications of change. These suggest the need for cross-referencing, tables and therefore a core 'database' to me. Indeed, many questions and information gaps (and potential wiki content) are around inner vs. outer joins - "Does this component run on this deployment?", "Exactly what does 'cross-platform' mean for this component?" 

So, maybe a core database with relationships and structured data, could link out to comments, extended commentary and other wiki-style verbose content to answer formally structured questions such as - "How do I do function 'A' with component 'B' if deploying to environment 'C'?", together with loosely structured questions "What components could I consider buying to save building functions 'x', 'y' and 'z'?".

Back to my original question, it would have been nice to see in the RunRev Store a simple table of which third-party components can be deployed where but I guess anything that risks shattering the illusion of universality is against RunRev's interests, so I won't hold my breath. ;-)
Best,
Keith..

On 23 Jan 2011, at 13:37, David Bovill wrote:

> On 23 January 2011 12:56, Keith Clarke
> <keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk>wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Yesterday's Live LiveCode Code event sessions touched on documentation and
>> wiki possibilities. Whilst a key focus here will be on improving the 'What?'
>> and the 'How?' of using LiveCode's functions, could there be room for these
>> issue of Where/When/Whether to use functions, controls, externals, third
>> party components, etc., by deployment type?
>> 
> 
> Hi Keith, I agree with you, and it is a central part of the content that I
> think we need. Where/When/Whether translates for me to:
> 
>   - Where - an updated snapshot of supported platforms, what is and what is
>   not supported in terms of features
>   - When - an updated roadmap of features. The hard facts, and the soft
>   directions.
>   - Whether - things you should and should not plan for in a project.
>   Rumours vs best practice
> 
> These elements are possible to address, as part of a general community
> publication, but I think there are not enough resources for this as a
> standalone publication. I believe they should be associated with the
> existing documentation, and linked to an open source publication of useful
> code, libraries and widgets.
> 
> At the next LiveCode TV event, I'll show the new distributed wiki, and how
> that can glue the documentation, code samples and your Where/When/Whether
> together in a way in which everyone has there own local content, but sharing
> is transparently done in the background.
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Mon Jan 24 07:16:25 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:16:25 +0000
Subject: Feature support by deployment type - the state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <05A53204-11B4-487D-BBDE-F6D6333E987D@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <159E9E19-5390-4FB1-9083-3E16C271A54F@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<AANLkTinu5Q0-CWabFGbrSwU-Qxn2fLghJ03U_wpxwMoG@mail.gmail.com>
	<05A53204-11B4-487D-BBDE-F6D6333E987D@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik16k=G5q-Kzbd_o_ZBgA9h3Bu7MyRs7Vxe--4J@mail.gmail.com>

On 24 January 2011 11:32, Keith Clarke
<keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk>wrote:

>
> However, whilst a wiki might help with 'How-to' documentation, I'm not sure
> it would be the ideal solution to address the core data and process
> management issues here. There is a need for structure and clarity around
> entities (platforms, controls, components, script features, etc),
> relationships (e.g. the degree of feature support) and implications of
> change. These suggest the need for cross-referencing, tables and therefore a
> core 'database' to me. Indeed, many questions and information gaps (and
> potential wiki content) are around inner vs. outer joins - "Does this
> component run on this deployment?", "Exactly what does 'cross-platform' mean
> for this component?"
>

Exactly! But I believe we can have all this without reaching out immediately
for a database solution.

The solution I am working on has the documentation and code both in the
repository. That way you can simply rewind to any particular IDE engine
release to see the documentation and code suitable for that environment.

Moving forwards any new features added to the engine and IDE would be
documented by the community based on the release notes, and linked to
tickets for bug fixing. As the bugs get fixed and questions answered these
would get moved into the documentation wiki. Official releases would be
tagged, and users would be able to work within  a tagged release branch, or
in a beta environment branch.

The thought is to use branches for different specific use cases. From
pushing at the boundaries of what is possible with distributed version
control and git in particular, it would appear that the technical
infrastructure is there to support all these issues - but that the specific
use case demands using branching and other features to deal with the
particulars of multi-platform development.

This approach will rely on getting the usability issues right, and shielding
the intricacies of the repository from the causal developer - but in
principle they should be able to work in a branch that is specific to a
platform or combination of platforms.

I should also note that as the code and documentation would be in the
repository - this does not exclude the use of the sort of databases you
indicate. The current implementation is going to use sqlite to hold both the
repository itself and various indexes used to search it. I feel this can be
built on.

Ideally, in order for this to be of use for people with older licenses, I
would import a historical series of snapshots, which would allow people with
older versions to work.

There are many aspects of this that I am unclear about, with regards to how
branching and merging, and other features or distributed repositories can be
used in this mix - but the initial benefits are simple and clear - shared
collaborative code and documentation that is available offline and easy to
customise to local needs.

So, maybe a core database with relationships and structured data, could link
> out to comments, extended commentary and other wiki-style verbose content to
> answer formally structured questions such as - "How do I do function 'A'
> with component 'B' if deploying to environment 'C'?", together with loosely
> structured questions "What components could I consider buying to save
> building functions 'x', 'y' and 'z'?".
>

I'm certainly open to building a database on top of the version controlled
documentation and code. This db is more advanced that I am practiced at
building, and if you have any tips / input that would be great. For now I am
exporting the vital information that needs versioning as text files, and
indexing these in sqlite. This should be a solid basis to build more
extensive queries on.

Back to my original question, it would have been nice to see in the RunRev
> Store a simple table of which third-party components can be deployed where
> but I guess anything that risks shattering the illusion of universality is
> against RunRev's interests, so I won't hold my breath. ;-)
>

There is a sensitive issue for RunRev here - and an approach where the
community can offer on a separate site an analysis of this issues, which is
open to investigation by any interested party but clearly separate from
marketing and / or official company policy is a way in which all parties can
have their cheese and eat it.


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jan 24 08:40:43 2011
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:40:43 -0500
Subject: Datagrid question
In-Reply-To: <8B74AC91-780E-4B3A-AABD-868CC2EA03AD@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <8B74AC91-780E-4B3A-AABD-868CC2EA03AD@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=EVzdKLmSTkeR785351rK75nVCQ+qk-u1dYhxj@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com>wrote:

> I've put together a mouseDown handler that displays a stack window
> immediately below a datagrid column when the user right clicks on that
> column.  Right now it's in the group script of the datagrid.



> The dg manual says there is a default header behavior property so set that
> to the id of a button that includes my mousedown handler since I want this
> to be available to all the dataggrids in my app but the mousedown event
> never reaches my mousedown handler a breakpoint set at the start of it never
> gets triggered.
>

The mouseDown message may not reach the data grid group in all cases. For
example, I know it is not passed during column resizing operations. You
should add the mouseDown message to the "default header behavior" if you
want to process it. This lesson shows how to customize the header behavior
in order to add tooltips. Just follow the instructions but add your
mouseDown handler rather than the tooltip code.

http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid_tips/lessons/7351-How-Do-I-Add-Tooltips-To-Column-Headers-

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jan 24 08:43:54 2011
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:43:54 -0500
Subject: revFontLoad Question
In-Reply-To: <4D3B42CF.3080604@comcast.net>
References: <4D3B42CF.3080604@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikJhBZdJ3jKS5F4w19Ar+CbxzTkYG4Wwyrz=L5E@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Marty Knapp <martyknapp at comcast.net> wrote:

> I want to package a font with my Mac only app and use revFontLoad to load
> it into memory. Is there a problem with just tucking it inside the
> application bundle and loading it from there? Or should I put it into a
> custom property and then write it out to the user's hard drive and put it
> into use from there?
>
> My preliminary tests show that it works from inside the bundle. I'm just
> wondering if there's something that I'm not aware of that would make this a
> bad idea.
>

Hi Marty,

I include a password font with some of my applications that I load with
revFontLoad. I store the file in the bundle alongside my application stacks.
I've never had any issues reported on OS X and I've been doing this for at
least 2 years.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
LiveCode Resources for Developers: http://livecode.bluemangolearning.com


From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Mon Jan 24 11:12:16 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:12:16 +0000
Subject: Feature support by deployment type - the state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik16k=G5q-Kzbd_o_ZBgA9h3Bu7MyRs7Vxe--4J@mail.gmail.com>
References: <159E9E19-5390-4FB1-9083-3E16C271A54F@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<AANLkTinu5Q0-CWabFGbrSwU-Qxn2fLghJ03U_wpxwMoG@mail.gmail.com>
	<05A53204-11B4-487D-BBDE-F6D6333E987D@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<AANLkTik16k=G5q-Kzbd_o_ZBgA9h3Bu7MyRs7Vxe--4J@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC928EA0-9F64-408E-8CE4-BDDB63DF410B@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

David,
I concur with everything you're suggesting. I deliberately put 'database' in quotes as it's the relational data concept, rather than the specific technology for persistence that I had in mind. 

Sorry but I can't help too much with any database issues - or any other technical areas really - my interest is at a more functional than technical level. I asked the original question as I'd like to add to my toolkit of high-level LiveCode components that I buy, apply and integrate, rather than have to code from scratch.

Of course, the use of these high-level components would bring added complexity around the combinations and permutations of functional blocks that might create forking/branching of documentation - and not just at the feature/function level, as (for example) ChartMaker and ChartEngine would doubtless have different internals and 'API' to perform similar functions, as would Data Tree vs. rTree and similar variations on a theme. 
Best,
Keith..      

On 24 Jan 2011, at 12:16, David Bovill wrote:

> On 24 January 2011 11:32, Keith Clarke
> <keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk>wrote:
> 
>> 
>> However, whilst a wiki might help with 'How-to' documentation, I'm not sure
>> it would be the ideal solution to address the core data and process
>> management issues here. There is a need for structure and clarity around
>> entities (platforms, controls, components, script features, etc),
>> relationships (e.g. the degree of feature support) and implications of
>> change. These suggest the need for cross-referencing, tables and therefore a
>> core 'database' to me. Indeed, many questions and information gaps (and
>> potential wiki content) are around inner vs. outer joins - "Does this
>> component run on this deployment?", "Exactly what does 'cross-platform' mean
>> for this component?"
>> 
> 
> Exactly! But I believe we can have all this without reaching out immediately
> for a database solution.
> 
> The solution I am working on has the documentation and code both in the
> repository. That way you can simply rewind to any particular IDE engine
> release to see the documentation and code suitable for that environment.
> 
> Moving forwards any new features added to the engine and IDE would be
> documented by the community based on the release notes, and linked to
> tickets for bug fixing. As the bugs get fixed and questions answered these
> would get moved into the documentation wiki. Official releases would be
> tagged, and users would be able to work within  a tagged release branch, or
> in a beta environment branch.
> 
> The thought is to use branches for different specific use cases. From
> pushing at the boundaries of what is possible with distributed version
> control and git in particular, it would appear that the technical
> infrastructure is there to support all these issues - but that the specific
> use case demands using branching and other features to deal with the
> particulars of multi-platform development.
> 
> This approach will rely on getting the usability issues right, and shielding
> the intricacies of the repository from the causal developer - but in
> principle they should be able to work in a branch that is specific to a
> platform or combination of platforms.
> 
> I should also note that as the code and documentation would be in the
> repository - this does not exclude the use of the sort of databases you
> indicate. The current implementation is going to use sqlite to hold both the
> repository itself and various indexes used to search it. I feel this can be
> built on.
> 
> Ideally, in order for this to be of use for people with older licenses, I
> would import a historical series of snapshots, which would allow people with
> older versions to work.
> 
> There are many aspects of this that I am unclear about, with regards to how
> branching and merging, and other features or distributed repositories can be
> used in this mix - but the initial benefits are simple and clear - shared
> collaborative code and documentation that is available offline and easy to
> customise to local needs.
> 
> So, maybe a core database with relationships and structured data, could link
>> out to comments, extended commentary and other wiki-style verbose content to
>> answer formally structured questions such as - "How do I do function 'A'
>> with component 'B' if deploying to environment 'C'?", together with loosely
>> structured questions "What components could I consider buying to save
>> building functions 'x', 'y' and 'z'?".
>> 
> 
> I'm certainly open to building a database on top of the version controlled
> documentation and code. This db is more advanced that I am practiced at
> building, and if you have any tips / input that would be great. For now I am
> exporting the vital information that needs versioning as text files, and
> indexing these in sqlite. This should be a solid basis to build more
> extensive queries on.
> 
> Back to my original question, it would have been nice to see in the RunRev
>> Store a simple table of which third-party components can be deployed where
>> but I guess anything that risks shattering the illusion of universality is
>> against RunRev's interests, so I won't hold my breath. ;-)
>> 
> 
> There is a sensitive issue for RunRev here - and an approach where the
> community can offer on a separate site an analysis of this issues, which is
> open to investigation by any interested party but clearly separate from
> marketing and / or official company policy is a way in which all parties can
> have their cheese and eat it.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 24 11:50:45 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:50:45 -0600
Subject: Feature support by deployment type - the state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <05A53204-11B4-487D-BBDE-F6D6333E987D@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <159E9E19-5390-4FB1-9083-3E16C271A54F@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>	<AANLkTinu5Q0-CWabFGbrSwU-Qxn2fLghJ03U_wpxwMoG@mail.gmail.com>
	<05A53204-11B4-487D-BBDE-F6D6333E987D@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4D3DADE5.30804@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/24/11 5:32 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:
>
> Back to my original question, it would have been nice to see in the
> RunRev Store a simple table of which third-party components can be
> deployed where but I guess anything that risks shattering the
> illusion of universality is against RunRev's interests, so I won't
> hold my breath. ;-)

Since almost all the add-on components are LiveCode stacks at their 
core, I'd be surprised if they didn't run on all operating systems and, 
I believe, they almost all do. The exceptions may be the one or two that 
are implemented as externals (those may lack a Linux option.) It might 
be easier to list the ones that are not x-plat. LiveCode really is 
pretty universal.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 24 11:56:09 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:56:09 -0600
Subject: Feature support by deployment type - the state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <05A53204-11B4-487D-BBDE-F6D6333E987D@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <159E9E19-5390-4FB1-9083-3E16C271A54F@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>	<AANLkTinu5Q0-CWabFGbrSwU-Qxn2fLghJ03U_wpxwMoG@mail.gmail.com>
	<05A53204-11B4-487D-BBDE-F6D6333E987D@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4D3DAF29.6030408@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/24/11 5:32 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:

> Back to my original question, it would have been nice to see in the
> RunRev Store a simple table of which third-party components can be
> deployed where but I guess anything that risks shattering the
> illusion of universality is against RunRev's interests, so I won't
> hold my breath. ;-)

Oh wait. If you mean iOS, then yes, you have a point. Not all the 
add-ons run on that OS for various reasons. The latest megabundle offer 
has the add-ons broken out into iOS-compatible and desktop-compatible 
lists. That could give you a starting point for the info you want.

I don't think RR is trying to hide anything.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From martyknapp at comcast.net  Mon Jan 24 12:01:07 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:01:07 -0800
Subject: revFontLoad Question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikJhBZdJ3jKS5F4w19Ar+CbxzTkYG4Wwyrz=L5E@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D3B42CF.3080604@comcast.net>
	<AANLkTikJhBZdJ3jKS5F4w19Ar+CbxzTkYG4Wwyrz=L5E@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D3DB053.3090308@comcast.net>

Good to know Trevor - thanks. I've been testing this out, loading the 
font in the startup handler. So far so good.

Marty
> Hi Marty,
>
> I include a password font with some of my applications that I load with
> revFontLoad. I store the file in the bundle alongside my application stacks.
> I've never had any issues reported on OS X and I've been doing this for at
> least 2 years.
>




From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Mon Jan 24 12:31:33 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:31:33 +0000
Subject: Feature support by deployment type - the state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <4D3DAF29.6030408@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <159E9E19-5390-4FB1-9083-3E16C271A54F@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>	<AANLkTinu5Q0-CWabFGbrSwU-Qxn2fLghJ03U_wpxwMoG@mail.gmail.com>
	<05A53204-11B4-487D-BBDE-F6D6333E987D@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<4D3DAF29.6030408@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <76373C84-81D2-42B3-A016-B92B15DB73DE@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

Sorry Jaque but for me, cross-platform is only relevant for desktop apps. I bought into Revolution for it's web app development capabilities. The new LiveCode branding and positioning is all about writing apps that are deployable across environments - including the web, server (OK, pre-release) and iOS (not so interesting for me yet).

I'd be very happy to be corrected on this but my understanding is that the current web component doesn't support stacks(?) Doesn't that mean that, by definition, no app that uses any stack-based add-ons can be deployed to the web(?)

On 24 Jan 2011, at 16:56, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/24/11 5:32 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:
> 
>> Back to my original question, it would have been nice to see in the
>> RunRev Store a simple table of which third-party components can be
>> deployed where but I guess anything that risks shattering the
>> illusion of universality is against RunRev's interests, so I won't
>> hold my breath. ;-)
> 
> Oh wait. If you mean iOS, then yes, you have a point. Not all the add-ons run on that OS for various reasons. The latest megabundle offer has the add-ons broken out into iOS-compatible and desktop-compatible lists. That could give you a starting point for the info you want.
> 
> I don't think RR is trying to hide anything.
> 
> -- 
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> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 24 12:39:18 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:39:18 -0800
Subject: pinging or else network devices from livecode
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c9611435fe89@[192.168.1.94]>
References: <p0624080dc95f8f3322e1@[141.89.49.13]>
	<D80C4262-DB5C-4D00-A9E6-0A5AF89445D2@twft.com>
	<p06240801c9611435fe89@[192.168.1.94]>
Message-ID: <B9AA35AA-2797-4CEF-9271-36C69A9CAE04@twft.com>

Yes Spiceworks core feature is to be able to run scheduled scans. You can add multiple scan ranges, so let's say all your accounting computers have a different domain login than your R&D computers. Just group your computer IP addresses together according to your company organizational structure, then create a separate range with different credentials for each one. 

Each range can be scanned on demand. If you create a single IP address in a scan range, you can use it to enter a new or recently updated computer's IP address, then tell Spiceworks to Scan Now forcing Spiceworks to scan and inventory that one computer. 

Beyond that, they sync with Active Directory so you can attach devices to people. They have a very good help desk system so that you can attach devices to tickets and people. Their search is a kind of hypertext sort of search where you type something into a search field, and Spiceworks will give you a list of matches on virtually every field on the fly. Very cool. 

They have custom fields that you can add yourself for tickets and devices, so you can track custom information that you need to keep track of. 

They recently added Purchases, which works like a kind of cheap PO system. You can save vendor information if you like. They use sqLite as a backend, so it is possible (although not recommended) to access the data directly. They also have a text based logging system that creates a ".yaml" file for each device detected. You can actually parse these text files for your LiveCode app if you want to figure out how. It shouldn't be too dificult, they are structured pretty well. 

You may want to consider getting Parallels Desktop for Mac to run your Spiceworks server on. It's a pretty simple thing to do. That is what I do here. Almost all my servers are running in some Parallels VM somewhere. 

Bob


On Jan 22, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> On 21.01.11 at 17:46 -0800 Bob Sneidar apparently wrote:
>> Once you ping an address you can shell to get the arp table. Use arp -a. BTW have you looked at Spiceworks? They have an incredible scan engine that gets just about anything with a management protocol. AND it's FREE!
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
> 
> I just looked at Spiceworks. Sounds great. Little problem: I have no Windows machine to run it on. It is also not clear from their website whether it can do scans on a schedule and log the results.
> 
> Robert
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 24 12:43:38 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:43:38 -0800
Subject: pinging or else network devices from livecode
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c9611702a69d@[192.168.1.94]>
References: <p0624080dc95f8f3322e1@[141.89.49.13]> <4D3A32C0.90104@tweedly.net>
	<p06240802c9611702a69d@[192.168.1.94]>
Message-ID: <468CEFE6-6945-4170-BCE5-6142ED442804@twft.com>

Wait a minute, the arp command does not send out anything does it? I thought arp only parsed out the current arp table for the device you are running the command on. 

Try flushing your arp cache, then running the arp command and see what you get. On a Unix terminal, the arp command needs a switch (parameter) like -a. Be careful here, because the arp command will also WRITE to the arp table. You can actually add an entry that registers an IP address to a hardware address. If there is anything wrong with what you tell it, you may lose connectivity to the device until you clear the arp table. 

Bob


On Jan 22, 2011, at 3:38 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> On 22.01.11 at 01:28 +0000 Alex Tweedly apparently wrote:
>> You can't do ping directly from LC - LC only supports UDP and TCP sockets, not ICMP or raw.
>> 
>> You could do it via shell - but too many devices may not respond to ping.
>> 
>> Do you want to find all active IP addresses on your own subnet, or on any arbitrary subnet ?
> 
> At the moment I need to check only my own subnet, but checking another subnet will come later.
> 
>> If it's on your own, then here's what I'd do
>> 
>> - try opening a UDP socket to each IP address
>> - use shell / arp to see what's there.
>> 
>> every device should respond to an arp request, so this is much more likely to find all active devices.
>> 
> 
> Just did a quickie try with your code. Sounds like it will do what I want.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Robert
> 
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From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Mon Jan 24 13:03:12 2011
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:03:12 -0000
Subject: Show Linktext on mousemove
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8485.1295888467.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAEOFCKAA.admin@FlexibleLearning.com>

HoverLink...
How to change the cursor and tooltip on linktext mouseOver. This example
handles a field that is normally unlocked, but allows the user to click and
activate the contents on mouseOver.

-------------------------------------------------
>From The Scripter's Scrapbook

local tLinkChunk
on mouseMove
  if (the selectedtext is NOT empty) then pass mouseMove
  if (the mouse is down) OR (the controlKey is down) then pass MouseMove
  if (the mouseChunk is not empty) AND (the mouseChunk=tLinkChunk) then pass
mouseMove # Avoid repeated check on the same text
  if (tLinkChunk is NOT empty) AND (tLinkChunk is NOT the mouseChunk) then
    restoreStyle
    exit mouseMove
  end if
  if (the mouseChunk is NOT empty) AND ("link" is in the textstyle of the
mouseChunk) then adjustStyle
  pass mouseMove
end mouseMove

on adjustStyle
  -- Adjust style
  set the lockText of me to TRUE --| Or ignore this line to leave the fld
locked
  put the mouseChunk into tLinkChunk
  set the cursor to 8
  set the lockCursor to true
  set the tooltip of me to the linkText of the mouseChunk
end adjustStyle

on restoreStyle
  -- Restore style
  set the lockText of me to FALSE
  if tLinkChunk is empty then
    exit restoreStyle
  end if
  put empty into tLinkChunk
  set the lockCursor to false
  set the tooltip of me to ""
end restoreStyle
-------------------------------------------------

May be of some use to you.

Best wishes

Hugh Senior
FLCo



-- Original Message
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:48:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com>


Hi Jeff,

I found a reliable way to recreate the error everytime.
The condition that trigguers the error occurs only when
mouseText (or mouseCharChunk) is empty.

Adding another condition: "the mousetext is not empty"
to IF, THEN, ELSE solves the error:

on mousemove
   if the hilite of button "ShowLinkText" and the mousetext <> empty and \
   the linktext of the mousetext <> empty
   then
      put "Actual link is: " & the linktext of the mousetext into fld
"ActualLink"
      set the textcolor of char 44 to -1 of fld "ActualLink" to blue
   else
      put empty into fld "ActualLink"
   end if
end mousemove

Many thanks for your idea, Jeff! :-)

Al

--




From rjb at robelko.com  Mon Jan 24 12:53:06 2011
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:53:06 +0100
Subject: pinging or else network devices from livecode
In-Reply-To: <468CEFE6-6945-4170-BCE5-6142ED442804@twft.com>
References: <p0624080dc95f8f3322e1@[141.89.49.13]>
	<4D3A32C0.90104@tweedly.net>	<p06240802c9611702a69d@[192.168.1.94]>
	<468CEFE6-6945-4170-BCE5-6142ED442804@twft.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080bc9636ca708b5@[192.168.1.94]>

On 24.01.11 at 09:43 -0800 Bob Sneidar apparently wrote:
>Wait a minute, the arp command does not send out anything does it? I 
>thought arp only parsed out the current arp table for the device you 
>are running the command on.
>

Yes, that is what Alex's code does. It opens datagram to each address 
in the specified range and then parses out the arp entries that were 
successful. Nifty.

Robert



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 24 13:26:31 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:26:31 -0600
Subject: Feature support by deployment type - the state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <76373C84-81D2-42B3-A016-B92B15DB73DE@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <159E9E19-5390-4FB1-9083-3E16C271A54F@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>	<AANLkTinu5Q0-CWabFGbrSwU-Qxn2fLghJ03U_wpxwMoG@mail.gmail.com>	<05A53204-11B4-487D-BBDE-F6D6333E987D@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>	<4D3DAF29.6030408@hyperactivesw.com>
	<76373C84-81D2-42B3-A016-B92B15DB73DE@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4D3DC457.3070704@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/24/11 11:31 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:
> Sorry Jaque but for me, cross-platform is only relevant for desktop
> apps. I bought into Revolution for it's web app development
> capabilities. The new LiveCode branding and positioning is all about
> writing apps that are deployable across environments - including the
> web, server (OK, pre-release) and iOS (not so interesting for me
> yet).
>
> I'd be very happy to be corrected on this but my understanding is
> that the current web component doesn't support stacks(?) Doesn't that
> mean that, by definition, no app that uses any stack-based add-ons
> can be deployed to the web(?)

Well, the server product just includes the language at present and 
doesn't currently load stacks, but I believe that's on the to-do list. 
But it sounds like you mean revelets. Those are stacks themselves, so 
yes, they should support any third-party add-on that fits within the 
restrictions of a browser. I guess that could be documented more fully.

You can include substacks in revlets and use their scripts, or display 
them within the one-window-at-a-time restriction by using the same 
window when you switch stacks. There's also a way to display two (or 
more) stacks in the same browser window, and they can talk to each 
other. Is that what you mean? Add-ons that require access to the user's 
machine need to have their permissions set correctly depending on what 
they need to do.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jan 24 13:38:39 2011
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:38:39 +0000
Subject: pinging or else network devices from livecode
In-Reply-To: <468CEFE6-6945-4170-BCE5-6142ED442804@twft.com>
References: <p0624080dc95f8f3322e1@[141.89.49.13]>
	<4D3A32C0.90104@tweedly.net>	<p06240802c9611702a69d@[192.168.1.94]>
	<468CEFE6-6945-4170-BCE5-6142ED442804@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D3DC72E.4070307@tweedly.net>

No, the arp command doesn't send out anything.

My sample code did an "open datagram socket to tSocket " for each IP 
address, which *will* cause the IP subsystem to send an arp request 
packet for the IP address (if it's not already in the arp table), but 
won't cause any packet to be sent to the other host even if the arp 
request is successfully resolved (Note - needs to be a datagram socket, 
if it had been a TCP open then it would have initiated a TCP handshake 
to the other host, which is definitely not desirable).

The arp command will only add to the table if the "-s", "-S" or "-f" 
arguments are used - definitely not advised for general use.
And of course the "-d" argument will delete one entry (or all entries).

-- Alex.


On 24/01/2011 17:43, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Wait a minute, the arp command does not send out anything does it? I thought arp only parsed out the current arp table for the device you are running the command on.
>
> Try flushing your arp cache, then running the arp command and see what you get. On a Unix terminal, the arp command needs a switch (parameter) like -a. Be careful here, because the arp command will also WRITE to the arp table. You can actually add an entry that registers an IP address to a hardware address. If there is anything wrong with what you tell it, you may lose connectivity to the device until you clear the arp table.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 3:38 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>
>> On 22.01.11 at 01:28 +0000 Alex Tweedly apparently wrote:
>>> You can't do ping directly from LC - LC only supports UDP and TCP sockets, not ICMP or raw.
>>>
>>> You could do it via shell - but too many devices may not respond to ping.
>>>
>>> Do you want to find all active IP addresses on your own subnet, or on any arbitrary subnet ?
>> At the moment I need to check only my own subnet, but checking another subnet will come later.
>>
>>> If it's on your own, then here's what I'd do
>>>
>>> - try opening a UDP socket to each IP address
>>> - use shell / arp to see what's there.
>>>
>>> every device should respond to an arp request, so this is much more likely to find all active devices.
>>>
>> Just did a quickie try with your code. Sounds like it will do what I want.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Robert
>>
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 24 13:48:01 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:48:01 -0800
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>

But what happens when they change how long they thing the universe existed? They have changed it at least 25 times since I went to school. There are probably still about 6 ideas floating around right now on exactly how long they thing it's been. 

Then there are those who think everything was created, but with aging built in. For instance, the light from distant stars already having made the journey. If you think about it, a created 3 dimensional universe would have to have this aging "built in" to prevent any number of weird anomalies. "You spread out the heavens like a curtain" I believe is the phrase. 

Then there are those who believe that the farther out from the center of the universe you go, the more space-time dilates, creating the effect that the universe would seem infinite to the relative object. 

Looks like you have some features to add. LOL!!

Bob


On Jan 22, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Roger Guay wrote:

> My goal for TimeMachine was to explore a truer perspective of the timescales of events relative to the enormous 13.7 billion year age of the universe. As an example, the entire history of human existence is like 7 seconds on a clock scaled to 14 billion years. TimeMachine will allow you to select various timescales, and then move through that time span to view images of well-known events. 
> 
> My apologies for not being able to upload this stack to RevOnline due to unknown technical difficulties. But, I really want to share this stack. So, you may download it by going to the download page of my website at    
> 
> 											http://web.me.com/irog/Roger_Guay/Downloads.html  
> 
> As usual, I want to thank the LiveCode community for many of the ideas, techniques, tricks etc. that you'll find in TimeMachine. You folks are a total inspiration to me, and I hope you will enjoy this stack as much as I enjoyed building it.
> 
> Cheers,
> Roger
> 
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From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Mon Jan 24 13:55:37 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:55:37 +0000
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>
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Great app Roger. How about a preference to toggle between evolutionist and creationist timescales? You'd then also need to add a 'first 7-day' period and new images for the flood, etc ;-) 

On 24 Jan 2011, at 18:48, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> But what happens when they change how long they thing the universe existed? They have changed it at least 25 times since I went to school. There are probably still about 6 ideas floating around right now on exactly how long they thing it's been. 
> 
> Then there are those who think everything was created, but with aging built in. For instance, the light from distant stars already having made the journey. If you think about it, a created 3 dimensional universe would have to have this aging "built in" to prevent any number of weird anomalies. "You spread out the heavens like a curtain" I believe is the phrase. 
> 
> Then there are those who believe that the farther out from the center of the universe you go, the more space-time dilates, creating the effect that the universe would seem infinite to the relative object. 
> 
> Looks like you have some features to add. LOL!!
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
> 
>> My goal for TimeMachine was to explore a truer perspective of the timescales of events relative to the enormous 13.7 billion year age of the universe. As an example, the entire history of human existence is like 7 seconds on a clock scaled to 14 billion years. TimeMachine will allow you to select various timescales, and then move through that time span to view images of well-known events. 
>> 
>> My apologies for not being able to upload this stack to RevOnline due to unknown technical difficulties. But, I really want to share this stack. So, you may download it by going to the download page of my website at    
>> 
>> 											http://web.me.com/irog/Roger_Guay/Downloads.html  
>> 
>> As usual, I want to thank the LiveCode community for many of the ideas, techniques, tricks etc. that you'll find in TimeMachine. You folks are a total inspiration to me, and I hope you will enjoy this stack as much as I enjoyed building it.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Roger
>> 
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Jan 24 14:10:07 2011
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:10:07 -0800
Subject: Feature support by deployment type - the state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <EC928EA0-9F64-408E-8CE4-BDDB63DF410B@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <159E9E19-5390-4FB1-9083-3E16C271A54F@clarkeandclarke.co.uk><AANLkTinu5Q0-CWabFGbrSwU-Qxn2fLghJ03U_wpxwMoG@mail.gmail.com><05A53204-11B4-487D-BBDE-F6D6333E987D@clarkeandclarke.co.uk><AANLkTik16k=G5q-Kzbd_o_ZBgA9h3Bu7MyRs7Vxe--4J@mail.gmail.com>
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> Back to my original question, it would have been nice to see in the RunRev
> Store a simple table of which third-party components can be deployed 
> where but I guess anything that risks shattering the illusion of 
> universality is against RunRev's interests, so I won't hold my 
> breath. ;-)

Id say that looks more like a suggestion than a question ;-)

There isn't anything intentional going on here on Runtime's part.

At this point in time (mark!) LiveCode other than the desktop deployment
doesn't support the externals specification. Externals are a kind of add-on,
but not all add-ons are externals. The external architecture is really
powerful, and its allowed our Valentina team to create Valentina for
LiveCode, as well as our Componentman team to create Franklin 3D and
Franklin Audio for LiveCode.

The thing is, everything you have on Windows, Mac OS X and Linux aren't
going to be on new and proprietary architectures - and sometimes that is by
design. There is a lot of stuff you COULD accomplish, but for the fact that
Apple doesn't want to allow whatever that is on iOS.

Runtime is totally on top of these issues.

But, without saying much more - I can say that Valentina for LiveCode ADK
for iOS is in the works, and we have tossed it into the ring for the
Megabundle for iOS. Read into that what you will. This will allow local
datastores of Valentina data as well as communication with Valentina Office
Server and Valentina Embedded Server. If I was going to run a complex query
against 5,000,000 records, Id still probably want to do it on a server and
then pull the result into my mobile, but it is going to be entirely possible
to do that on an iPad.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 24 14:23:21 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:23:21 -0600
Subject: umask
In-Reply-To: <4D39D7B6.7060807@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AANLkTimC1Vn_ebNUhskJ=rreYjg=X5BFUjbY1cd1pjfM@mail.gmail.com>	<A9473311-E57B-4E66-8E6D-B998C4BF1B0C@sunnyrevtalk.com>	<4C55947E-F24B-4FA4-9EF6-BA3BFFC9DF38@mac.com>	<AB7BA69F-6508-48C3-804F-CC0E272B3F04@sunnyrevtalk.com>	<FE6CB32C-9EB7-4FF1-8696-7B38D2659519@mac.com>	<FEF16FD1-B55C-47BD-9B30-F9C8B7F907D6@gmail.com>	<4D388919.20201@hyperactivesw.com>	<E4C6951A-9D14-44E4-A97C-D9BE1F770D2F@gmail.com>
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On 1/21/11 1:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 1/21/11 12:47 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:

>> I just double-checked: created a new mainstack, put a new field in it,
>> put some text into it, and put this in the field script:
>>
>> on selectionchanged
>> beep
>> end selectionchanged
>>
>> and when I click anywhere in the text to change the insertion point I
>> get a beep, but when I use the arrowkeys to move the insertion point I
>> get no beep, just a silent shift of the insertion point.

I finally checked on this, and you're right, selectionChanged isn't sent 
in an unlocked, non-list field. Instead, arrowkeys are treated as 
keypresses like any other character, so you need to trap key-related 
messages instead.

If the field is a list field, then arrowkeys do trigger selectionChanged.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From form at nonsanity.com  Mon Jan 24 14:20:56 2011
From: form at nonsanity.com (form)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:20:56 -0500
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>
	<DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>
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On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> But what happens when they change how long they thing the universe existed?
> They have changed it at least 25 times since I went to school. There are
> probably still about 6 ideas floating around right now on exactly how long
> they thing it's been.
>

The changes have been narrowing the probable range, not just jumping around.
Future changes are likely to be small adjustments, probably below the
accuracy threshold of a program such as this.

 Then there are those who think everything was created, but with aging built
> in. For instance, the light from distant stars already having made the
> journey. If you think about it, a created 3 dimensional universe would have
> to have this aging "built in" to prevent any number of weird anomalies. "You
> spread out the heavens like a curtain" I believe is the phrase.
>

This extreme view (not seriously considered by science to be an answer to
any existing cosmological questions) doesn't go extreme enough! :) Try to
wrap your braincells around THIS doozie:

The past exists for us as a memory. In any one instance of time that memory
is a static recording. At the same instance, our expectations and
predictions of the future are also the static result of our brain applying
experience to memory. Even our senses that form our conception of "now" are
delayed somewhat from the actual sensing.

So there doesn't need to be time at all. Just one frozen instance with a
memory of the past, a delayed sense of what just happened, and a prediction
of the future. We think time is happening becase we (falsely) remember it
happening and (incorrectly) expect it to continue happening.

The whole universe suffers from d?j? vu...


Um... Forget I ever mentioned that, Roger, and keep going with your app. ;)


 ~ Chris Innanen
 ~ Nonsanity


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 14:37:48 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:37:48 +0200
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim1W9sc-YsysRBpu+Yn43jRwkjxEKjJYaO2K11E@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>	<DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>
	<AANLkTim1W9sc-YsysRBpu+Yn43jRwkjxEKjJYaO2K11E@mail.gmail.com>
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On 01/24/2011 09:20 PM, form wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Bob Sneidar<bobs at twft.com>  wrote:
>
>> But what happens when they change how long they thing the universe existed?
>> They have changed it at least 25 times since I went to school. There are
>> probably still about 6 ideas floating around right now on exactly how long
>> they thing it's been.
>>
> The changes have been narrowing the probable range, not just jumping around.
> Future changes are likely to be small adjustments, probably below the
> accuracy threshold of a program such as this.
>
>   Then there are those who think everything was created, but with aging built
>> in. For instance, the light from distant stars already having made the
>> journey. If you think about it, a created 3 dimensional universe would have
>> to have this aging "built in" to prevent any number of weird anomalies. "You
>> spread out the heavens like a curtain" I believe is the phrase.
>>
> This extreme view (not seriously considered by science to be an answer to
> any existing cosmological questions) doesn't go extreme enough! :) Try to
> wrap your braincells around THIS doozie:
>
> The past exists for us as a memory. In any one instance of time that memory
> is a static recording. At the same instance, our expectations and
> predictions of the future are also the static result of our brain applying
> experience to memory. Even our senses that form our conception of "now" are
> delayed somewhat from the actual sensing.
>
> So there doesn't need to be time at all. Just one frozen instance with a
> memory of the past, a delayed sense of what just happened, and a prediction
> of the future. We think time is happening becase we (falsely) remember it
> happening and (incorrectly) expect it to continue happening.
>
> The whole universe suffers from d?j? vu...
>
>
> Um... Forget I ever mentioned that, Roger, and keep going with your app. ;)
>
>
>   ~ Chris Innanen
>   ~ Nonsanity
> _______________________________________________
I wonder what "Universe" means.

One view of things is that there is no beginning and no end; but 
'Universes' as we conceive of
them are constantly being created and destroyed through what is termed 
"the external potency
of God."

Or, put it another way; why worry unduly?

In the post-Christian world we tend to date things from about 2011 years 
ago; the Jews
are running at 7000 something (somebody sort me out here!!!), the 
Muslims are running
in the 1400s. The Hindus have a lot of competing calenders (I can only 
think of the Shakabda,
Vajradanta, Chaitanya, Gauda and Vikrama [each available as 'current' 
and 'expired]; but, then,
Hey, I'm not a Hindu so don't expect too much in that neck of the woods).

What is, probably more relevant right now, is that the dead PRAM battery 
on my G3 iMac in my EFL school
insists on telling me it is 1972. Which, oddly enough, suits me fine . . 
.  :)


From martyknapp at comcast.net  Mon Jan 24 14:43:17 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:43:17 -0800
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim1W9sc-YsysRBpu+Yn43jRwkjxEKjJYaO2K11E@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>	<DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>
	<AANLkTim1W9sc-YsysRBpu+Yn43jRwkjxEKjJYaO2K11E@mail.gmail.com>
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As for myself, I was disappointed that the invention of cheese was not 
included on the time line . . .

Marty Knapp



From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Mon Jan 24 14:51:22 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:51:22 +0000
Subject: Feature support by deployment type - the state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <4D3DC457.3070704@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <159E9E19-5390-4FB1-9083-3E16C271A54F@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>	<AANLkTinu5Q0-CWabFGbrSwU-Qxn2fLghJ03U_wpxwMoG@mail.gmail.com>	<05A53204-11B4-487D-BBDE-F6D6333E987D@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>	<4D3DAF29.6030408@hyperactivesw.com>
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Thanks to Jaque and Lynn for the clarifications. I knew about the server-side revServer stack limitation but it's good to know that revlets support stacks, sub-stacks and multiple stacks. 

This corrects a misunderstanding I have held from early in my learning curve, when an add-on developer led me to believe that revlets didn't support stacks. :-(( 

Still, I'm more than happy to be corrected on this, if it means I can start creating :-)

So, how does one tell whether an add-on uses/requires the externals specification?
 
On 24 Jan 2011, at 18:26, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> Well, the server product just includes the language at present and doesn't currently load stacks, but I believe that's on the to-do list. But it sounds like you mean revelets. Those are stacks themselves, so yes, they should support any third-party add-on that fits within the restrictions of a browser. I guess that could be documented more fully.
> 
> You can include substacks in revlets and use their scripts, or display them within the one-window-at-a-time restriction by using the same window when you switch stacks. There's also a way to display two (or more) stacks in the same browser window, and they can talk to each other. Is that what you mean? Add-ons that require access to the user's machine need to have their permissions set correctly depending on what they need to do.
> 
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From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Mon Jan 24 14:57:07 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:57:07 +0000
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <4D3DD655.7040107@comcast.net>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>	<DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>
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...it wasn't invented - it has always been. The 96% of mass in the universe isn't dark matter - it's just that someone moved our cheese http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/BooksBySpencerJohnson.html

On 24 Jan 2011, at 19:43, Marty Knapp wrote:

> As for myself, I was disappointed that the invention of cheese was not included on the time line . . .
> 
> Marty Knapp
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 24 15:27:22 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:27:22 -0800
Subject: [OT][ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim1W9sc-YsysRBpu+Yn43jRwkjxEKjJYaO2K11E@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>
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Actually I find ALL views on the subject extreme. Let's have a brief rundown on what we know so far: A super infinitely small dense point of nothingness got a little too infinitely small and dense and exploded into an almost infinite universe with bits of super (albeit not quite infinitely) dense chunks of matter are sucking it all back into themselves, but there are countless numbers of these, and it's all going to collapse back into itself again some almost infinite number of eons from now, and nothing really matters anyway because we will all be infinitely dead by that time and none of it means anything, except we seem to have evolved this weird sense that it ought to mean something and it hurts somehow to think that it doesn't. Does that pretty much cover it? 

And not only that, but on one of the chunks of very undense (relatively) bits of matter, random chaotic forces of energy and chemistry all came together to form a self replicating protein made of an enormous number of optically pure neucleotides in whaddyaknow the exact right order (because otherwise it couldn't replicate see?) in a soup of otherwise racemic nucleotides, and then the protein was suddenly and just in time snatched up from out of the water and isolated from everything else in the soup which would have attacked the protein and broken it down almost instantly (how timely and fortunate). Then it started replicating (with what other material I don't know because it's isolated now) and why? Because it COULD! 

Eventually all the individual little proteins got together and decided, "Ya know we are going to get along much better if we stick to each other here" and so many of them agreed to this obviously wise course of action that it became "the way things were done". Later some decided there needed to be a nucleus and others decided there needed to be some kind of boundary layer to protect the rest of the protein groups from the hostile world around them, what with volcanoes and lightning going off all the time! Hey presto, a "simple" cell! (I think all those glommed together protein groups might have taken offense to that.) 

At some point one protein group said, "Hey we must be hungry after all this work and goings on, what are we gonna eat?" Another of the protein groups said, "How about sugar?" Another one said, "What's sugar?" All the rest of the protein groups told that one to shut up and so they decided sugar it is! So now we have organisms with lungs that cannot function without blood and a nervous system, and a digestive system that cannot function without all of the above, and we are told that each of these systems developed slowly an almost infinitely small little bit at a time and their own time, even though they would have been useless for almost eons without all the other systems that came along later, but they developed anyway, and then all those systems got together one day and said, "You know we would get a long much better if we all stuck together..." Really? REALLY?????

Or how about the doozie, that minor point mutations, now pretty much universally debunked as a method of evolution, has now given way to the belief that unknown forces for reasons we do not yet understand, made quantum rewrites of a creature's genetic code, so that for an example a bird laid an egg and an snake came out, or something like that. That's not extreme?? I am supposed to believe that all this was caused by a force like that was still completely "random" and not a well thought out plan by a being that knew what he/it was doing? Sounds a whole helluvalot like engineering to me! 

And since no one was there when all of this happened, no one can really say that it DIDN'T happen, but then by the same token no one can say that it DID either, but they say it anyway and they say it so loudly and so often that no one else can get a word in edgewise. 

So I and my children and my children's children have had to answer in the affirmative or else risk failing the test and getting held back in school and mocked as an idiot. To hell with that! I and my children and my children's children want to get out of the school and never go back, so we lie on the test just to graduate, even though we don't believe any of it and really don't care anyway because we believe something that makes a whole helluvalot more sense. 

It's all fairy tale stuff to me. I am all for people believing what they want. I am NOT for forcing people to believe what the establishment says in order to graduate, or make a decent living in any field of science. That's the way the world works now. Boy talk about religious zealotism! 

But make no mistake, what is true is true, whether or not we perceive it to be so. What any of us believe will not change that simple fact. When the truth becomes evident, we will all have to change our minds to some degree, myself included. Honestly, isn't it just simpler to believe that some all powerful being made it all because He wanted to, and then decided to let our infantile little pea brained intellects in on a bit of it because He knew that it was going to drive us nuts if He left us in the dark about it. I think so! 

Besides I took Jacques time travel stack back to the beginning and those little protein groups didn't know what the hell to do next so I showed them. That's why all of you exist today!!!

Bob


On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:20 AM, form wrote:

> This extreme view (not seriously considered by science to be an answer to
> any existing cosmological questions) doesn't go extreme enough! :) Try to
> wrap your braincells around THIS doozie:




From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Jan 24 15:32:24 2011
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:32:24 +0000
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>
	<DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D3DE1D8.20709@tweedly.net>

On 24/01/2011 18:48, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> But what happens when they change how long they thing the universe existed? They have changed it at least 25 times since I went to school. There are probably still about 6 ideas floating around right now on exactly how long they thing it's been.
>
> Then there are those who think everything was created, but with aging built in. For instance, the light from distant stars already having made the journey. If you think about it, a created 3 dimensional universe would have to have this aging "built in" to prevent any number of weird anomalies. "You spread out the heavens like a curtain" I believe is the phrase.
>
> Then there are those who believe that the farther out from the center of the universe you go, the more space-time dilates, creating the effect that the universe would seem infinite to the relative object.

I'm not sure the GPS feature set includes "distance from centre of 
universe", does it ?

-- Alex.



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 24 15:47:45 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:47:45 -0800
Subject: [OT][ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim1W9sc-YsysRBpu+Yn43jRwkjxEKjJYaO2K11E@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>
	<DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>
	<AANLkTim1W9sc-YsysRBpu+Yn43jRwkjxEKjJYaO2K11E@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E4B0F14-13AC-490B-A472-C500775670E4@twft.com>

Hi Doug. I just sent this to a use list in response to someone who remarked that no current scientific viewpoint considers such an extreme point of view like Creation to be valid. I thought you might enjoy it. :-)

Bob


Hi all.

Actually I find ALL views on the subject extreme. Let's have a brief rundown on what we know so far shall we: A super infinitely small dense point of nothingness got a little too infinitely small and dense and exploded into an almost infinite universe with bits of super (albeit not quite infinitely) dense chunks of matter are sucking it all back into themselves, but there are countless numbers of these, and it's all going to collapse back into itself again some almost infinite number of eons from now, and nothing really matters anyway because we will all be infinitely dead by that time and none of it means anything, except we seem to have evolved this weird sense that it ought to mean something and it hurts somehow to think that it doesn't. Does that pretty much cover it? 

And not only that, but on one of the chunks of very undense (relatively) bits of matter, random chaotic forces of energy and chemistry all came together to form a self replicating protein made of an enormous number of optically pure neucleotides in whaddyaknow the exact right order (because otherwise it couldn't replicate see?) in a soup of otherwise racemic nucleotides, and then the protein was suddenly and just in time snatched up from out of the water and isolated from everything else in the soup which would have attacked the protein and broken it down almost instantly (how timely and fortunate). Then it started replicating (with what other material I don't know because it's isolated now) and why? Because it COULD! 

Eventually all the individual little proteins got together and decided, "Ya know we are going to get along much better if we stick to each other here" and so many of them agreed to this obviously wise course of action that it became "the way things were done". Later some decided there needed to be a nucleus and others decided there needed to be some kind of boundary layer to protect the rest of the protein groups from the hostile world around them, what with volcanoes and lightning going off all the time! Hey presto, a "simple" cell! (I think all those glommed together protein groups might have taken offense to that.) 

At some point one protein group said, "Hey we must be hungry after all this work and goings on, what are we gonna eat?" Another of the protein groups said, "How about sugar?" Another one said, "What's sugar?" All the rest of the protein groups told that one to shut up and so they decided sugar it is! So now we have organisms with lungs that cannot function without blood and a nervous system, and a digestive system that cannot function without all of the above, and we are told that each of these systems developed slowly an almost infinitely small little bit at a time and their own time, even though they would have been useless for almost eons without all the other systems that came along later, but they developed anyway, and then all those systems got together one day and said, "You know we would get a long much better if we all stuck together..." Really? REALLY?????

Or how about the doozie, that minor point mutations, now pretty much universally debunked as a method of evolution, has now given way to the belief that unknown forces for reasons we do not yet understand, made quantum rewrites of a creature's genetic code, so that for an example a bird laid an egg and an snake came out, or something like that. That's not extreme?? I am supposed to believe that all this was caused by a completely "random"  force, an "almost endless series of fortuitous concurrences of accidental circumstance" as I believe one person summed it all up, and not a well thought out plan by a being that knew what he/it was doing? Sounds a whole helluvalot like engineering to me! 

And since no one was there when all of this happened, no one can really say that it DIDN'T happen,  SO THERE! But then by the same token no one can say that it DID either, but they say it anyway and they say it so loudly and so often that no one else can get a word in edgewise. 

So I and my children and my children's children have had to answer in the affirmative or else risk failing the test and getting held back in school and mocked as an idiot. To hell with that! I and my children and my children's children want to get out of the school and never go back, so we lie on the test just to graduate, even though we don't believe any of it and really don't care anyway because we believe something that makes a whole helluvalot more sense. 

It's all fairy tale stuff to me. I am all for people believing what they want. I am NOT for forcing people to believe what the establishment says in order to graduate, or make a decent living in any field of science. That's the way the world works now. Boy talk about religious zealotism! 

But make no mistake, what is true is true, whether or not we perceive it to be so. What any of us believe will not change that simple fact. When the truth becomes evident, we will all have to change our minds to some degree, myself included. Honestly, isn't it just simpler to believe that some all powerful being made it all because He wanted to, and then decided to let our infantile little pea brained intellects in on a bit of it because He knew that it was going to drive us nuts if He left us in the dark about it? I think so! 

Besides I took Jacques time travel stack back to the beginning and those little protein groups didn't know what the hell to do next so I showed them. That's why all of you exist today!!!

Bob


On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:20 AM, form wrote:

> This extreme view (not seriously considered by science to be an answer to
> any existing cosmological questions) doesn't go extreme enough! :) Try to
> wrap your braincells around THIS doozie:




From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 24 15:49:41 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:49:41 -0800
Subject: [OT][ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim1W9sc-YsysRBpu+Yn43jRwkjxEKjJYaO2K11E@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>
	<DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>
	<AANLkTim1W9sc-YsysRBpu+Yn43jRwkjxEKjJYaO2K11E@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5EE200FF-367B-4538-9320-2B001BA94C94@twft.com>

Whoops sorry about the double post!



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 24 15:58:56 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:58:56 -0600
Subject: [OT][ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <C6E4686B-1A47-4AFA-B920-571B7F6FAC2A@twft.com>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>	<DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>	<AANLkTim1W9sc-YsysRBpu+Yn43jRwkjxEKjJYaO2K11E@mail.gmail.com>
	<C6E4686B-1A47-4AFA-B920-571B7F6FAC2A@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D3DE810.40201@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/24/11 2:27 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Actually I find ALL views on the subject extreme. Let's have a brief
> rundown on what we know so far:

Oh, let's not.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 24 16:05:02 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:05:02 -0800
Subject: [OT][ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <4D3DE810.40201@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>	<DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>	<AANLkTim1W9sc-YsysRBpu+Yn43jRwkjxEKjJYaO2K11E@mail.gmail.com>
	<C6E4686B-1A47-4AFA-B920-571B7F6FAC2A@twft.com>
	<4D3DE810.40201@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CB52C7B2-9CF4-4184-912C-274D89849059@twft.com>

Then let's refrain from calling other views extreme and saying that they are unacceptable by all reputable scientists everywhere, okay?

Thanks


On Jan 24, 2011, at 12:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/24/11 2:27 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> Actually I find ALL views on the subject extreme. Let's have a brief
>> rundown on what we know so far:
> 
> Oh, let's not.
> 
> -- 
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 24 16:35:01 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:35:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Feature support by deployment type - the state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <FA4ABCB7-F2EC-4D05-AB8D-ACCA2DC87E1E@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <713660.35474.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 1/24/11, Keith Clarke <keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:
> Thanks to Jaque and Lynn for the
> clarifications. I knew about the server-side revServer stack
> limitation but it's good to know that revlets support
> stacks, sub-stacks and multiple stacks. 
> 
> This corrects a misunderstanding I have held from early in
> my learning curve, when an add-on developer led me to
> believe that revlets didn't support stacks. :-(( 
> 
> Still, I'm more than happy to be corrected on this, if it
> means I can start creating :-)
> 
> So, how does one tell whether an add-on uses/requires the
> externals specification?
>  

Revlets support a mainstack with substacks - but not multiple separate stacks. In addition, Revlets cannot currently use multiple windows - though you can use 'go in the window of this stack' or multiple revlets on the same webpage to achieve most goals, this does complicate add-on support. Not to mention the security sandbox constraints.

As for add-on externals requirements, that's harder to guess. Sometimes they rely on an external that ships with LiveCode (except on iOS, which currently has no externals support at all) - so it's best to look around the product website and send an email to the author if it's not clear.

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 16:46:57 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:46:57 -0500
Subject: umask
In-Reply-To: <4D3DD1A9.8050408@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AANLkTimC1Vn_ebNUhskJ=rreYjg=X5BFUjbY1cd1pjfM@mail.gmail.com>	<A9473311-E57B-4E66-8E6D-B998C4BF1B0C@sunnyrevtalk.com>	<4C55947E-F24B-4FA4-9EF6-BA3BFFC9DF38@mac.com>	<AB7BA69F-6508-48C3-804F-CC0E272B3F04@sunnyrevtalk.com>	<FE6CB32C-9EB7-4FF1-8696-7B38D2659519@mac.com>	<FEF16FD1-B55C-47BD-9B30-F9C8B7F907D6@gmail.com>	<4D388919.20201@hyperactivesw.com>	<E4C6951A-9D14-44E4-A97C-D9BE1F770D2F@gmail.com>
	<4D39D7B6.7060807@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4D3DD1A9.8050408@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C39D7A86-79D6-463E-A6C1-D8A422E30D57@gmail.com>


On Jan 24, 2011, at 2:23 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/21/11 1:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> On 1/21/11 12:47 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
>
>>> I just double-checked: created a new mainstack, put a new field in  
>>> it,
>>> put some text into it, and put this in the field script:
>>>
>>> on selectionchanged
>>> beep
>>> end selectionchanged
>>>
>>> and when I click anywhere in the text to change the insertion  
>>> point I
>>> get a beep, but when I use the arrowkeys to move the insertion  
>>> point I
>>> get no beep, just a silent shift of the insertion point.
>
> I finally checked on this, and you're right, selectionChanged isn't  
> sent in an unlocked, non-list field. Instead, arrowkeys are treated  
> as keypresses like any other character, so you need to trap key- 
> related messages instead.
>
> If the field is a list field, then arrowkeys do trigger  
> selectionChanged.

That makes sense, since that is the whole point of list fields, right?  
to be able to select a line or lines for various purposes.

I'm always happy with any element of consistency -- we live in a  
universe of increasing entropy and local order is to be treasured....

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig






From bvg at mac.com  Mon Jan 24 17:10:45 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:10:45 +0100
Subject: [OT][ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <C6E4686B-1A47-4AFA-B920-571B7F6FAC2A@twft.com>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>
	<DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>
	<AANLkTim1W9sc-YsysRBpu+Yn43jRwkjxEKjJYaO2K11E@mail.gmail.com>
	<C6E4686B-1A47-4AFA-B920-571B7F6FAC2A@twft.com>
Message-ID: <8C9086F4-EC0C-4195-AA6D-F249F3884F9D@mac.com>


On 24 Jan 2011, at 21:27, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> blah blah wank blah wank wank blah

I disagree, and you can't make me agree to your drivel by replying to this.

have fun
Bjoernke

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Chat with other RunRev developers:
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From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Mon Jan 24 17:37:16 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:37:16 +0000
Subject: Feature support by deployment type - the state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <713660.35474.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <713660.35474.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <623373C1-7EA1-4F0B-8836-C03B20F359FC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

...thanks for the tips Jan. I'll design my revlet workflow accordingly - and check each specific add-ons for any signs of potential externals dependencies.  

On 24 Jan 2011, at 21:35, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> --- On Mon, 1/24/11, Keith Clarke <keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:
>> Thanks to Jaque and Lynn for the
>> clarifications. I knew about the server-side revServer stack
>> limitation but it's good to know that revlets support
>> stacks, sub-stacks and multiple stacks. 
>> 
>> This corrects a misunderstanding I have held from early in
>> my learning curve, when an add-on developer led me to
>> believe that revlets didn't support stacks. :-(( 
>> 
>> Still, I'm more than happy to be corrected on this, if it
>> means I can start creating :-)
>> 
>> So, how does one tell whether an add-on uses/requires the
>> externals specification?
>> 
> 
> Revlets support a mainstack with substacks - but not multiple separate stacks. In addition, Revlets cannot currently use multiple windows - though you can use 'go in the window of this stack' or multiple revlets on the same webpage to achieve most goals, this does complicate add-on support. Not to mention the security sandbox constraints.
> 
> As for add-on externals requirements, that's harder to guess. Sometimes they rely on an external that ships with LiveCode (except on iOS, which currently has no externals support at all) - so it's best to look around the product website and send an email to the author if it's not clear.
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
> www.quartam.com
> 
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 24 18:27:24 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:27:24 -0800
Subject: [OT][ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <8C9086F4-EC0C-4195-AA6D-F249F3884F9D@mac.com>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>
	<DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>
	<AANLkTim1W9sc-YsysRBpu+Yn43jRwkjxEKjJYaO2K11E@mail.gmail.com>
	<C6E4686B-1A47-4AFA-B920-571B7F6FAC2A@twft.com>
	<8C9086F4-EC0C-4195-AA6D-F249F3884F9D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <30F228B4-321F-4584-8B25-1FBA125B32E9@twft.com>

I wouldn't think of it. :-) I enjoyed your well thought out rebuttal though. ;-)

Bob


On Jan 24, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> 
> On 24 Jan 2011, at 21:27, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> blah blah wank blah wank wank blah
> 
> I disagree, and you can't make me agree to your drivel by replying to this.
> 
> have fun
> Bjoernke
> 
> -- 
> 
> official ChatRev page:
> http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
> 
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"
> 
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From bvg at mac.com  Mon Jan 24 18:33:17 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 00:33:17 +0100
Subject: [OT][ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <30F228B4-321F-4584-8B25-1FBA125B32E9@twft.com>
References: <61B822BA-896F-4282-A1F8-ECB86E316ECF@mac.com>
	<DEE7C75D-01DD-4A8D-A422-402509796EA4@twft.com>
	<AANLkTim1W9sc-YsysRBpu+Yn43jRwkjxEKjJYaO2K11E@mail.gmail.com>
	<C6E4686B-1A47-4AFA-B920-571B7F6FAC2A@twft.com>
	<8C9086F4-EC0C-4195-AA6D-F249F3884F9D@mac.com>
	<30F228B4-321F-4584-8B25-1FBA125B32E9@twft.com>
Message-ID: <FB013193-7BEF-42CA-A530-F2E983D56B83@mac.com>

On 25 Jan 2011, at 00:27, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I wouldn't think of it. :-) I enjoyed your well thought out rebuttal though. ;-)
> 
> Bob

I rebutted nothing. Mostly because you have no argument, and this is not the space, so please be reminded to not reply here.


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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jan 24 19:14:01 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:14:01 -0800
Subject: [OT][ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <FB013193-7BEF-42CA-A530-F2E983D56B83@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C96355C9.50809%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

>> I wouldn't think of it. :-) I enjoyed your well thought out rebuttal though.
>> ;-)
>> 
>> Bob
> 
> I rebutted nothing. Mostly because you have no argument, and this is not the
> space, so please be reminded to not reply here.

May I suggest that stating Bob "has no argument" and then saying this is not
the space for replies is a bit hypocritical?  There are more polite ways to
go about reminding folks about the "no politics/religion/cheese" aspect of
the list.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 24 19:36:59 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:36:59 -0800
Subject: [OT][ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <C96355C9.50809%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C96355C9.50809%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <BB810B2D-20A8-41EC-9BFF-6CC811D863C1@twft.com>

No worries Scott. Thanks. I've actually had a nice private chat with the original poster who assured me he had no intention of offending anyone, which I also had no intention of. I thought I was putting together a rather witty tongue-half-in-cheek response to the whole extremist thing. Oh well. Some people don't get my humor. 

Bob


On Jan 24, 2011, at 4:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> 
>>> I wouldn't think of it. :-) I enjoyed your well thought out rebuttal though.
>>> ;-)
>>> 
>>> Bob
>> 
>> I rebutted nothing. Mostly because you have no argument, and this is not the
>> space, so please be reminded to not reply here.
> 
> May I suggest that stating Bob "has no argument" and then saying this is not
> the space for replies is a bit hypocritical?  There are more polite ways to
> go about reminding folks about the "no politics/religion/cheese" aspect of
> the list.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
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From irog at mac.com  Mon Jan 24 22:07:14 2011
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:07:14 -0700
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
Message-ID: <3D2AB467-6ECC-4967-B3F5-DB6278463BD0@mac.com>

I apologize if my TimeMachine stack provokes controversy. Since I am a scientist and a humanist, TimeMachine reflects the current scientific understanding of our universe and events. I welcome anyone to tailor TimeMachine for their own views and perspectives. And to that end, I am revising TimeMachine to allow easy inclusion of new events and editing of all events. But, for the love of god, don't show dinosaurs and humans palling around together! Standby....

Cheers,

Roger





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 24 22:25:28 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:25:28 -0600
Subject: Linux standalone distibution
Message-ID: <4D3E42A8.8050701@hyperactivesw.com>

A couple of questions about distributing for Linux.

When I zip a standalone it loses its executable bit, and the user has to 
manually set it after it's unzipped. Is there a way to compress a file 
so that it remains executable?

Is there a way to stick an icon on the standalone so that it attaches 
when unzipped?

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Mon Jan 24 23:45:14 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:45:14 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <8E8C596B-4378-44B6-9DE4-69A2AC924C77@jhj.com>
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	<AANLkTi=oWwywbZwu+=m5-ihNehsu7_rxnZwVZatqq8p7@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB21687D-89D6-4DAB-81CD-CAB1475E5EAB@jhj.com>
	<"655D7 C24-63FF-434F-81A0-98C01C4D86C5"@mac.com>
	<ECE1EB9C-DDE0-48AC-8FCF-A076705F49D1@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTikMW96Oqim-Ev5RsN1mvCTNH8ERE9WAExs6oh4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E8C596B-4378-44B6-9DE4-69A2AC924C77@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <69D174AB-D4F7-4499-8272-56D04988E572@mac.com>

Well, I got tired of testing and waiting for a solution to LiveCode directly connecting, sending, and receiving serial data to/from the Arduino Uno and found an alternative method instead. In this stack I use an Applescript OSAX and control that from within LivceCode via Applescript. I hacked together a test stack and uploaded it to Rev Online : Applescript Arduino -- Thomas McGrath III. Complete with Sample Arduino IDE Sketches and Applescript Scripts and LiveCode Scripts and with a mini tutorial on how to put it all together.

Although this solution works, it is not optimal since it is a Macintosh only solution and is not the preferred way to do this. It adds a level of complexity where one should not be needed. We still need to be able to connect to a serial port/modem from within LiveCode beyond the old FTDI Virtual Serial Port methods.

Download and Enjoy,


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 23, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Jerry J wrote:

> On Jan 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, David C. wrote:
> 
>>> I don't have much experience with UNIX drivers, or how they're named. I can guess what tty is short for, but no clue about cu.
>> 
>> This resource may be helpful to ya:
>> http://www.computerhope.com/unix/ucu.htm
> 
> The first two hits when googling /dev/cu explain some things, not necessarily help...
> 
> --Jerry
> 
> 
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 25 01:22:10 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:22:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
Message-ID: <970379.700.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 1/18/11, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> Hey I had a great idea on how to
> implement multithreading without jacking up anyone's legacy
> code. Have LiveCode work along a single thread as usual, but
> add the keywords "in new thread" to the do command or open
> stack command. That way someone could invoke a new threaded
> process, or launch a stack in a new thread etc if they
> wanted, but not hose anything someone had already written.
> You could launch a progress bar that you could monitor the
> state of an operation and provide real feedback for
> instance, without having to poke your head out of a running
> command from time to time. 
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Bob
> 

The problem of multi-threading is not executing multiple blocks of code simultaneously, it's management the concurrent access to state, and in particular to shared, mutable state, that's the trick. If your new thread were to work in complete isolation, not sharing script-local variables or any control properties, there would be no issue. But that would be an extremely limiting environment to work in.

Suppose the RunRev team makes container access thread-safe, so:
- put x into y
- put "Smurf" after field "Figurines"
- add 9 to line 3 of field "Numbers"
- ...
would protect the 'target' of the operation, you're still faced with race conditions. Take a script as simple as this:
##
answer field 1 & field 1
if field 2 < 9 then
  answer field 2 && "is less than 9. Destroying civilization now..."
end if
##
Think it through, and you'll see multiple potential issues:
- on the first line, there could be a change to the field content in between the two reads of the text of the field
- similarly, in between checking the text of field 2 in the if statement, and showing it in the answer box, it could very well have changed

The only solution is to add complexity to the language to allow locking and 'synchronization" (in Java parlance) to protect resources during the execution of certain code blocks. And even then, you can never be quite sure what the hardware will do, as it tries to optimize behind your back - in fact, these days a short-circuit AND operation can be slower than the variant which first evaluates both operators and then applies the operator.
A very interesting read in this regard, is the presentation "Not Your Father's Von Neumann Machine" by Java concurrency gurus Dr. Cliff Click and
Brian Goetz, which explains how times have changed:
<http://developers.sun.com/learning/javaoneonline/sessions/2009/pdf/TS-5496.pdf>

What the LiveCode does offer in terms of multi-threading, is socket communication with callback methods: accept, read and write can happen on separate threads and when the work is done, your control receives a message so that it can take the logical next step. No two such messages are processed at the same time.
This is an easy system to reason in, and performs quite well, as long as we keep the 'unit of work' small, a LiveCode server socket aplication is a very good workhorse and responsive to sizeable group of users. Frankly, I wish they'd extend the callback mechanism to file, process and database read/write operations, before implementing full multi-threading.

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
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From bvg at mac.com  Tue Jan 25 01:43:21 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:43:21 +0100
Subject: [OT][ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <C96355C9.50809%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C96355C9.50809%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <F9A7C8F4-F2F6-4066-A9AA-8821472B4AA5@mac.com>

On 25 Jan 2011, at 01:14, Scott Rossi wrote:

> There are more polite ways to
> go about reminding folks about the "no politics/religion/cheese" aspect of
> the list.

I was not aiming to be polite, and of course i am sorry if my message was vague on that point.



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jan 25 03:56:10 2011
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 00:56:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Linux standalone distibution
In-Reply-To: <4D3E42A8.8050701@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4D3E42A8.8050701@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1295945770542-3235701.post@n4.nabble.com>


Jacque, I never did either of these things, but it looks like you can
preserve execution bit attributes using tar with the mode option.

http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_tool_guides/tar_user_guide/Option-Summary.html

Then, to set the icon programmatically, it seems you have to create a
.desktop file.

http://linuxcritic.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/anatomy-of-a-desktop-file/

Andre will know!




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From heather at runrev.com  Tue Jan 25 04:16:14 2011
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:16:14 +0000
Subject: [OT][ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <F9A7C8F4-F2F6-4066-A9AA-8821472B4AA5@mac.com>
References: <C96355C9.50809%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<F9A7C8F4-F2F6-4066-A9AA-8821472B4AA5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <93BA844E-8EB8-485C-A447-F72167C16D9A@runrev.com>

Dear List Members,

Sometimes we make a joke of this, but it is essential to the useful  
operation of this list that *everyone* on the list respects the rules,  
which have been imposed for very good reason. Clearly you are all  
aware of the no politics and religion rule, but some of you may have  
forgotten that politeness and respect to others is equally required.

It is NOT acceptable for any list member, however long standing, to be  
blatantly and deliberately rude on list, to another member.

it is NOT acceptable for any list member to air their religious views  
on list.

This list is here for the purpose of helping each other to use  
LiveCode. Once it degenerates into namecalling and abusing each others  
views, that will be impossible. We are an extremely diverse group,  
with wildly differing, and often strongly held opinions. Never assume  
another list member holds the same views as you do! Embrace the  
diversity. Get back to helping each other out with coding. Say  
whatever you like to each other, OFF LIST, but on list we require  
politeness, respect, and absolutely no religion or politics. Ever. For  
any reason. From anybody.

This thread is dead.

Warm Regards,

Heather
Your friendly local listmom



On 25 Jan 2011, at 06:43, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> On 25 Jan 2011, at 01:14, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>> There are more polite ways to
>> go about reminding folks about the "no politics/religion/cheese"  
>> aspect of
>> the list.
>
> I was not aiming to be polite, and of course i am sorry if my  
> message was vague on that point.
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan 25 06:55:18 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:55:18 -0200
Subject: Linux standalone distibution
In-Reply-To: <1295945770542-3235701.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <4D3E42A8.8050701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1295945770542-3235701.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikgaY_i4ahOr5Ua9jb+5SQPjEwbrGW3a5=pPTEX@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Peter Alcibiades <
palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
> Jacque, I never did either of these things, but it looks like you can
> preserve execution bit attributes using tar with the mode option.
>
>
> http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_tool_guides/tar_user_guide/Option-Summary.html
>
> Then, to set the icon programmatically, it seems you have to create a
> .desktop file.
>
> http://linuxcritic.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/anatomy-of-a-desktop-file/
>
> Andre will know!
>


Actually, I don't!!!!! :-D

But.... tar and gzip are the prefered way to compress linux stuff. You can
also use .tar.xz files which compress better than tar.gz and will work just
fine in any modern linux. As for icons, I think it really depends on which
DE the user is running, for gnome you can use something like this:

http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/menustructure-desktopentry.html.en
<http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/menustructure-desktopentry.html.en>
http://library.gnome.org/devel/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en

You might need some other solution for KDE and XFCE, for all the other
environments, you can be positive that your user is savvy enough to know
what to do. Running stuff such as awesome or dwm already makes one a
poweruser.

If you build .deb files or .rpm, I think there is a post-install script
somewhere which you can hook to automatically copy your .desktop file to the
correct place.

Cheers
andre



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From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Jan 25 06:57:36 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:57:36 -0200
Subject: Feature support by deployment type - the state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <623373C1-7EA1-4F0B-8836-C03B20F359FC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <713660.35474.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<623373C1-7EA1-4F0B-8836-C03B20F359FC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=cJFzURzv=CFOTF22x9JaDChLdo7zBLT1rXNNB@mail.gmail.com>

Keith,

be aware that revlet player is not over beta stage right now. Double test
everything on multiple configurations before delivering anything. If
possible, way for newer versions.

Cheers
andre

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Keith Clarke <
keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:

> ...thanks for the tips Jan. I'll design my revlet workflow accordingly -
> and check each specific add-ons for any signs of potential externals
> dependencies.
>
> On 24 Jan 2011, at 21:35, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>
> > --- On Mon, 1/24/11, Keith Clarke <keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >> Thanks to Jaque and Lynn for the
> >> clarifications. I knew about the server-side revServer stack
> >> limitation but it's good to know that revlets support
> >> stacks, sub-stacks and multiple stacks.
> >>
> >> This corrects a misunderstanding I have held from early in
> >> my learning curve, when an add-on developer led me to
> >> believe that revlets didn't support stacks. :-((
> >>
> >> Still, I'm more than happy to be corrected on this, if it
> >> means I can start creating :-)
> >>
> >> So, how does one tell whether an add-on uses/requires the
> >> externals specification?
> >>
> >
> > Revlets support a mainstack with substacks - but not multiple separate
> stacks. In addition, Revlets cannot currently use multiple windows - though
> you can use 'go in the window of this stack' or multiple revlets on the same
> webpage to achieve most goals, this does complicate add-on support. Not to
> mention the security sandbox constraints.
> >
> > As for add-on externals requirements, that's harder to guess. Sometimes
> they rely on an external that ships with LiveCode (except on iOS, which
> currently has no externals support at all) - so it's best to look around the
> product website and send an email to the author if it's not clear.
> >
> > Jan Schenkel.
> > =====
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
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From robl at no-no-badpuppy.com  Tue Jan 25 07:03:31 2011
From: robl at no-no-badpuppy.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:03:31 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Linux standalone distibution
In-Reply-To: <4D3E42A8.8050701@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <32145929.4.1295957009160.JavaMail.robl@Robert-Lawrences-iMac.local>

Jacqueline:

Under Linux, to preserve the permissions, you will need to use a "compressed tar ball" (*.tgz or *.tar.gz) file is the normal way.

Say you have a directory of /home/jacqueline/mynewapp and you want to distribute the contents on the mynewapp folder, you could issue the following commands:

cd /home/jacqueline/
tar cvzf mynewapp.tar.gz mynewapp

Basically, change to the directory just above the directory you want to archive.  Then the tar command is passed with "cvzf" (c=create, v=verbose, z=compress, f=destination file), the archive filename, then the directory to be included.

tar xvzf mynewapp.tar.gz  will untar/ungzip the archive file back into a directory.

As to icons, Linux (and most Unix-like systems) do not have support icons on/in a file.  Depending on the variant of Linux and the desktop GUI used (KDE, GNOME, GNUstep, etc) they all have slightly different ways of telling the GUI file manager how to associate an icon with an application or document type.  a *.desktop file is the most common for the mainstream GUIs (i.e GNOME).

A desktop file looks like this

[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
GenericName=New LiveCode App
Name=NewApp
Exec=/usr/local/bin/mynewapp
Icon=mynewapp.png
Terminal=false
Type=Application
Categories=Qt;Gnome;Applications;

Where the above is defined as follows:
 
Generic name = Brief Description of application.
Icon = The image to display for the icon
Terminal = Is this a terminal application, should I start it as one?
Type = Type of program this is, can be used in placing the icon in a menu.
Categories = This information is what is mainly used to place the icon in a given menu if an XML file to specify such is not present. The setup for menus is handled a little differently by every Linux distro.

Regards,
Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
To: "LiveCode Mailing List" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 9:25:28 PM
Subject: Linux standalone distibution

A couple of questions about distributing for Linux.

When I zip a standalone it loses its executable bit, and the user has to 
manually set it after it's unzipped. Is there a way to compress a file 
so that it remains executable?

Is there a way to stick an icon on the standalone so that it attaches 
when unzipped?

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Tue Jan 25 07:35:42 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:35:42 +0000
Subject: Feature support by deployment type - the state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=cJFzURzv=CFOTF22x9JaDChLdo7zBLT1rXNNB@mail.gmail.com>
References: <713660.35474.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<623373C1-7EA1-4F0B-8836-C03B20F359FC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<AANLkTi=cJFzURzv=CFOTF22x9JaDChLdo7zBLT1rXNNB@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <89653408-5ED2-44F8-9B40-B737A9E49799@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

Thanks Andre - good advice. I wasn't aware that the revlet player was quite that immature. 

Fortunately, my immediate requirements are for demonstration purposes only - and demos are supposed to break, aren't they? ;-)

However, if the demos prove successful, I'd definitely need a robust browser player for any ensuing project/product development. 

Here's hoping that a new version player materialises (very) soon, so that I can demo the concept, based on sticking with LiveCode for the real project/product - especially as LiveCode is my first and only development language! 
Best,
Keith..

On 25 Jan 2011, at 11:57, Andre Garzia wrote:

> be aware that revlet player is not over beta stage right now. Double test
> everything on multiple configurations before delivering anything. If
> possible, way for newer versions.




From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Jan 25 08:07:34 2011
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:07:34 +0100
Subject: How to narrow SQL search with multiple criterias?
Message-ID: <007201cbbc90$dd4329f0$97c97dd0$@de>

Hello,

I have seen this feature before, but have no idea what approach is behind
the scenes since I am not that deep in SQL.

I have a SQL select with multiple search criterias. After selecting a
criteria, I get the resulting records and can go on narrowing my search with
selecting one or multiple other criterias. So far nothing special. What I am
interested in is, how do you show (and disable) one or multiple search
criterias, if they would be inaffective for further searches, because there
is no content left to narrow the search with this criteria.

 

I could think of looping through the result for each criteria after having
made one selection and if there is nothing left to search for then disable
the search criteria. But with multiple search criterias, each with multiple
options, I don't know if this would be "state of the art" to keep a good
performance, or if there are more sophisticated approaches to let the user
just make click-click-click narrowing his search with simultaneous showing,
what other selection makes sense and what not.

 

Hoping you understood what I mean J

Thanks for any idea

Tiemo

 

 



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Tue Jan 25 08:11:24 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:11:24 +0000
Subject: File naming convention
Message-ID: <AANLkTikLbmigHNOeBHExe41QLjEKPZVquExNth7WCT=i@mail.gmail.com>

I have the need for an ugly file name hack. I need to store documentation
about arbitrary files (.html, .png, .livecode etc files) in a separate
folder (called "docs"). These files will be served by a web server - and map
directly to the original source code files so that a file "hello.txt" with
correspond to a file named something like:

   1. docs/hello.txt.html
   2. docs/hello.txt/index.html
   3. docs/hello_txt/index.html

I can then write simple functions to enable navigation back and forth
between the documentation and the source code file (in LiveCode or
JavaScript). The question is how to name the documentation file / folder?

I am leaning towards 2), as a folder allows me to put images and other
things inside that may be useful to the docs - but it feels mightily strange
to have folders with names that have file extensions! I also don't know how
well this works on the different (particularly windows based) platforms?

Has anyone any tips on how best to name a path that works on all platforms,
and can be mapped back to the source file with a simple reliable function?


From bvg at mac.com  Tue Jan 25 08:17:49 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:17:49 +0100
Subject: File naming convention
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikLbmigHNOeBHExe41QLjEKPZVquExNth7WCT=i@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikLbmigHNOeBHExe41QLjEKPZVquExNth7WCT=i@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF203D2E-2BCD-4B9E-A4B8-699E052C0A7F@mac.com>

why don't you make a docs folder?

4. docs/docs/hello text.html

On 25 Jan 2011, at 14:11, David Bovill wrote:

> I have the need for an ugly file name hack. I need to store documentation
> about arbitrary files (.html, .png, .livecode etc files) in a separate
> folder (called "docs"). These files will be served by a web server - and map
> directly to the original source code files so that a file "hello.txt" with
> correspond to a file named something like:
> 
>   1. docs/hello.txt.html
>   2. docs/hello.txt/index.html
>   3. docs/hello_txt/index.html
> 
> I can then write simple functions to enable navigation back and forth
> between the documentation and the source code file (in LiveCode or
> JavaScript). The question is how to name the documentation file / folder?
> 
> I am leaning towards 2), as a folder allows me to put images and other
> things inside that may be useful to the docs - but it feels mightily strange
> to have folders with names that have file extensions! I also don't know how
> well this works on the different (particularly windows based) platforms?
> 
> Has anyone any tips on how best to name a path that works on all platforms,
> and can be mapped back to the source file with a simple reliable function?
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Tue Jan 25 08:58:26 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:58:26 +0000
Subject: File naming convention
In-Reply-To: <CF203D2E-2BCD-4B9E-A4B8-699E052C0A7F@mac.com>
References: <AANLkTikLbmigHNOeBHExe41QLjEKPZVquExNth7WCT=i@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF203D2E-2BCD-4B9E-A4B8-699E052C0A7F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik-2j+hDt+niN-Z65jOM5X2vJciU=8Kb2JdX1PZ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes - there is is a docs folder - it's called "docs" :) There is an apps
folder called "apps" and inside the apps folder are files and folders for
instance "app/hello.txt" or app/images/hello.png".

Inside the docs folder I want to document things about these files, and a
file naming convention that maps from the "app/hello.txt" file to something
inside the "docs" folder - ie something like:

   1. docs/hello.txt.html
   2. docs/hello.txt/index.html
   3. docs/hello_txt/index.html

and for the image file it would be something like:

   1. docs/hello.png/index.html

The issue is the file extensions and whether to leave the "." in place, or
encode it somehow. Any suggestions?

2011/1/25 Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com>

> why don't you make a docs folder?
>
> 4. docs/docs/hello text.html
>


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Tue Jan 25 09:41:09 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:41:09 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <69D174AB-D4F7-4499-8272-56D04988E572@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
	<8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>
	<7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
	<06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
	<90570741250.20110122231914@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=oWwywbZwu+=m5-ihNehsu7_rxnZwVZatqq8p7@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB21687D-89D6-4DAB-81CD-CAB1475E5EAB@jhj.com>
	<"655D7 C24-63FF-434F-81A0-98C01C4D86C5"@mac.com>
	<ECE1EB9C-DDE0-48AC-8FCF-A076705F49D1@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTikMW96Oqim-Ev5RsN1mvCTNH8ERE9WAExs6oh4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E8C596B-4378-44B6-9DE4-69A2AC924C77@jhj.com>
	<69D174AB-D4F7-4499-8272-56D04988E572@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A568B4D-0EE4-4BE4-989C-47D749B855CA@mac.com>

Playing with Applescript communicating with the Arduino Uno I noticed an issue that might be related to the LiveCode problem of hanging during a connection. In the Applescript that works I close the port first and then return the result as in:

	set tSerialReturn to serialport read portRef for revRead
	set rSerialReturn to tSerialReturn as string
	serialport close portRef
	return rSerialReturn
But, if I try to return results in the script before issuing the close port the application again hangs with the spinning beach ball as in:
	set tSerialReturn to serialport read portRef for revRead
	set rSerialReturn to tSerialReturn as string
	return rSerialReturn
	serialport close portRef
I have to unplug the Arduino Uno to get control back. But if I present an Applescript dialog with info read during the script cycle it is fine and does not hang so it must be something in the way the return returns data.

The thing is I can run the first script over and over again and it works every time (opening and closing the port in a loop) but if I try to do the loop of reading and return the result before closing the port it hangs every time.

QUESTION: Is it possible that LiveCode is also doing this as well. i.e. Keeping the port open while sending results back causes a hang? This would be difficult to return sensor results if it required multiple open closes for each chunk of data. And between closes and opens would result in lost data from continuos data streams.

Thanks,


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:45 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Well, I got tired of testing and waiting for a solution to LiveCode directly connecting, sending, and receiving serial data to/from the Arduino Uno and found an alternative method instead. In this stack I use an Applescript OSAX and control that from within LivceCode via Applescript. I hacked together a test stack and uploaded it to Rev Online : Applescript Arduino -- Thomas McGrath III. Complete with Sample Arduino IDE Sketches and Applescript Scripts and LiveCode Scripts and with a mini tutorial on how to put it all together.
> 
> Although this solution works, it is not optimal since it is a Macintosh only solution and is not the preferred way to do this. It adds a level of complexity where one should not be needed. We still need to be able to connect to a serial port/modem from within LiveCode beyond the old FTDI Virtual Serial Port methods.
> 
> Download and Enjoy,
> 
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net



From xfratboy at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 09:55:13 2011
From: xfratboy at gmail.com (xfratboy)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:55:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <4A568B4D-0EE4-4BE4-989C-47D749B855CA@mac.com>
References: <AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
	<90570741250.20110122231914@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=oWwywbZwu+=m5-ihNehsu7_rxnZwVZatqq8p7@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB21687D-89D6-4DAB-81CD-CAB1475E5EAB@jhj.com>
	<655D7C24-63FF-434F-81A0-98C01C4D86C5@mac.com>
	<ECE1EB9C-DDE0-48AC-8FCF-A076705F49D1@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTikMW96Oqim-Ev5RsN1mvCTNH8ERE9WAExs6oh4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E8C596B-4378-44B6-9DE4-69A2AC924C77@jhj.com>
	<69D174AB-D4F7-4499-8272-56D04988E572@mac.com>
	<4A568B4D-0EE4-4BE4-989C-47D749B855CA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1388114912-1295967293-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2032412133-@bda571.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>


Have you tried adding about 100 milisec wait before and/or between writes?  

-----Original Message-----
From: "Thomas McGrath III-3 [via Runtime Revolution]" <ml-node+3236281-2059141499-209243 at n4.nabble.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:42:33 
To: xfratboy<xfratboy at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: usb driver problem



Playing with Applescript communicating with the Arduino Uno I noticed an issue that might be related to the LiveCode problem of hanging during a connection. In the Applescript that works I close the port first and then return the result as in:

	set tSerialReturn to serialport read portRef for revRead
	set rSerialReturn to tSerialReturn as string
	serialport close portRef
	return rSerialReturn
But, if I try to return results in the script before issuing the close port the application again hangs with the spinning beach ball as in:
	set tSerialReturn to serialport read portRef for revRead
	set rSerialReturn to tSerialReturn as string
	return rSerialReturn
	serialport close portRef
I have to unplug the Arduino Uno to get control back. But if I present an Applescript dialog with info read during the script cycle it is fine and does not hang so it must be something in the way the return returns data.

The thing is I can run the first script over and over again and it works every time (opening and closing the port in a loop) but if I try to do the loop of reading and return the result before closing the port it hangs every time.

QUESTION: Is it possible that LiveCode is also doing this as well. i.e. Keeping the port open while sending results back causes a hang? This would be difficult to return sensor results if it required multiple open closes for each chunk of data. And between closes and opens would result in lost data from continuos data streams.

Thanks,


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:45 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Well, I got tired of testing and waiting for a solution to LiveCode directly connecting, sending, and receiving serial data to/from the Arduino Uno and found an alternative method instead. In this stack I use an Applescript OSAX and control that from within LivceCode via Applescript. I hacked together a test stack and uploaded it to Rev Online : Applescript Arduino -- Thomas McGrath III. Complete with Sample Arduino IDE Sketches and Applescript Scripts and LiveCode Scripts and with a mini tutorial on how to put it all together.
> 
> Although this solution works, it is not optimal since it is a Macintosh only solution and is not the preferred way to do this. It adds a level of complexity where one should not be needed. We still need to be able to connect to a serial port/modem from within LiveCode beyond the old FTDI Virtual Serial Port methods.
> 
> Download and Enjoy,
> 
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jan 25 11:05:43 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:05:43 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <4A568B4D-0EE4-4BE4-989C-47D749B855CA@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
	<8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>
	<7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
	<06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
	<90570741250.20110122231914@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=oWwywbZwu+=m5-ihNehsu7_rxnZwVZatqq8p7@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB21687D-89D6-4DAB-81CD-CAB1475E5EAB@jhj.com> <"655D7
	C24-63FF-434F-81A0-98C01C4D86C5"@mac.com>
	<ECE1EB9C-DDE0-48AC-8FCF-A076705F49D1@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTikMW96Oqim-Ev5RsN1mvCTNH8ERE9WAExs6oh4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E8C596B-4378-44B6-9DE4-69A2AC924C77@jhj.com>
	<69D174AB-D4F7-4499-8272-56D04988E572@mac.com>
	<4A568B4D-0EE4-4BE4-989C-47D749B855CA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <81775130515.20110125080543@ahsoftware.net>

Tom-

Is this possibly related to bz #1708?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan 25 11:28:10 2011
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:28:10 -0500
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <970379.700.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
	<970379.700.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikKUBMt3Dox5wxQVYunpdWMWrEMzvoxZY0uqeoB@mail.gmail.com>

> connect to application "A" on port 5674 tell application "A"
> "doSomethingCool"


You had me right up to "cool".  Then I was gone.


For the really scared of trying to do this with sockets, you can of course
also simulate semaphores and IP comm just using some shared text files.

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 25 11:42:55 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:42:55 -0800
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <3D2AB467-6ECC-4967-B3F5-DB6278463BD0@mac.com>
References: <3D2AB467-6ECC-4967-B3F5-DB6278463BD0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FF02AE0B-9348-4793-91DC-0B14F8FE8D4F@twft.com>

I had one for a pet once! 

Bob


On Jan 24, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Roger Guay wrote:

> I apologize if my TimeMachine stack provokes controversy. Since I am a scientist and a humanist, TimeMachine reflects the current scientific understanding of our universe and events. I welcome anyone to tailor TimeMachine for their own views and perspectives. And to that end, I am revising TimeMachine to allow easy inclusion of new events and editing of all events. But, for the love of god, don't show dinosaurs and humans palling around together! Standby....
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
> 
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Tue Jan 25 11:54:39 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:54:39 -0400
Subject: How to narrow SQL search with multiple criterias?
In-Reply-To: <007201cbbc90$dd4329f0$97c97dd0$@de>
References: <007201cbbc90$dd4329f0$97c97dd0$@de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimrqu29t+K2W0+NESWhfqUoaN5m+5O3uLfJ0VTw@mail.gmail.com>

Sometimes, SQL failure that I am, I just dump it all in a variable and look
through it using LiveCode. It depends how big although LiveCode is pretty
quick.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have seen this feature before, but have no idea what approach is behind
> the scenes since I am not that deep in SQL.
>
> I have a SQL select with multiple search criterias. After selecting a
> criteria, I get the resulting records and can go on narrowing my search
> with
> selecting one or multiple other criterias. So far nothing special. What I
> am
> interested in is, how do you show (and disable) one or multiple search
> criterias, if they would be inaffective for further searches, because there
> is no content left to narrow the search with this criteria.
>
>
>
> I could think of looping through the result for each criteria after having
> made one selection and if there is nothing left to search for then disable
> the search criteria. But with multiple search criterias, each with multiple
> options, I don't know if this would be "state of the art" to keep a good
> performance, or if there are more sophisticated approaches to let the user
> just make click-click-click narrowing his search with simultaneous showing,
> what other selection makes sense and what not.
>
>
>
> Hoping you understood what I mean J
>
> Thanks for any idea
>
> Tiemo
>
>
>
>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 12:07:15 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:07:15 +0200
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <FF02AE0B-9348-4793-91DC-0B14F8FE8D4F@twft.com>
References: <3D2AB467-6ECC-4967-B3F5-DB6278463BD0@mac.com>
	<FF02AE0B-9348-4793-91DC-0B14F8FE8D4F@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D3F0343.6060103@gmail.com>

On 01/25/2011 06:42 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> I had one for a pet once!
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
>
>> I apologize if my TimeMachine stack provokes controversy. Since I am a scientist and a humanist, TimeMachine reflects the current scientific understanding of our universe and events. I welcome anyone to tailor TimeMachine for their own views and perspectives. And to that end, I am revising TimeMachine to allow easy inclusion of new events and editing of all events. But, for the love of god, don't show dinosaurs and humans palling around together! Standby....
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
With the name "TimeMachine" you might fall foul of Mr Jobs and Co.


From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Tue Jan 25 12:22:13 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:22:13 +0000
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <4D3F0343.6060103@gmail.com>
References: <3D2AB467-6ECC-4967-B3F5-DB6278463BD0@mac.com>
	<FF02AE0B-9348-4793-91DC-0B14F8FE8D4F@twft.com>
	<4D3F0343.6060103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51EEC4EE-8C4C-4398-88EC-98BB8D3B6B77@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

...indeed, you might get someone's back-up (sorry)

On 25 Jan 2011, at 17:07, Richmond wrote:

> On 01/25/2011 06:42 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> I had one for a pet once!
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 24, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
>> 
>>> I apologize if my TimeMachine stack provokes controversy. Since I am a scientist and a humanist, TimeMachine reflects the current scientific understanding of our universe and events. I welcome anyone to tailor TimeMachine for their own views and perspectives. And to that end, I am revising TimeMachine to allow easy inclusion of new events and editing of all events. But, for the love of god, don't show dinosaurs and humans palling around together! Standby....
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> 
> With the name "TimeMachine" you might fall foul of Mr Jobs and Co.
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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 13:19:14 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:19:14 +0100
Subject: Answer file with type BMPf?
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUeqsmRqVA_ONg8xpxOC4snrayoe_7BO-EB9Uk@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

Why doesn't this work for BMP files?
answer file "Kies een foto:" with type "All
Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|JPEG,GIFf,PNGf,BMPf"

on mouseup
    answer file "Choose:" with type "All
Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|JPEG,GIFf,PNGf,BMPf"
               if it = empty
               then
                  put empty into img "x1"
                    exit mouseUp
               end if
               put url ("binfile:" & it) into img "x1"
end mouseup

greetings,

William



From cjw at eml.cc  Tue Jan 25 13:50:22 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:50:22 -0600
Subject: File naming convention
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik-2j+hDt+niN-Z65jOM5X2vJciU=8Kb2JdX1PZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikLbmigHNOeBHExe41QLjEKPZVquExNth7WCT=i@mail.gmail.com>	<CF203D2E-2BCD-4B9E-A4B8-699E052C0A7F@mac.com>
	<AANLkTik-2j+hDt+niN-Z65jOM5X2vJciU=8Kb2JdX1PZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D3F1B6E.9010504@eml.cc>

Hi David,

The first thing to understand about Windows? file names you can't use 
the following...

\ / : * ? " < > |

Please take a look at this page...
http://www.portfoliofaq.com/pfaq/FAQ00352.htm
... highlight the word "period" in your browser.

Here is the word straight from the horse's mouth...
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa365247%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

Aside form the above, here is what my own test results yielded...

>     1. docs/hello.txt.html
This will be interpreted as a the folder "doc" holding a single file 
named "hello.txt.html"
>     2. docs/hello.txt/index.html
This would be interpreted as folder "docs" containing another folder 
"hello.txt" which contained the file  "index.html".
>     3. docs/hello_txt/index.html
(Same as above)
> and for the image file it would be something like:
>
>     1. docs/hello.png/index.html
(Again, same as above)

Please note I have only tested this on Windows 7.  If you need more 
specific testing, I'll try and help if I can.

Fair winds,
Calvin



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 25 13:59:18 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:59:18 -0600
Subject: Linux standalone distibution
In-Reply-To: <32145929.4.1295957009160.JavaMail.robl@Robert-Lawrences-iMac.local>
References: <32145929.4.1295957009160.JavaMail.robl@Robert-Lawrences-iMac.local>
Message-ID: <4D3F1D86.5060300@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/25/11 6:03 AM, Robert Lawrence wrote:
> Jacqueline:
>
> Under Linux, to preserve the permissions, you will need to use a
> "compressed tar ball" (*.tgz or *.tar.gz) file is the normal way.

Thanks, very helpful.

I don't think I want to mess with a desktop file for the icon. Do apps 
ever just ship with a jpg or a png in the folder? Then the user can 
choose that if they want to customize.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobs at twft.com  Tue Jan 25 14:01:52 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:01:52 -0800
Subject: File naming convention
In-Reply-To: <4D3F1B6E.9010504@eml.cc>
References: <AANLkTikLbmigHNOeBHExe41QLjEKPZVquExNth7WCT=i@mail.gmail.com>	<CF203D2E-2BCD-4B9E-A4B8-699E052C0A7F@mac.com>
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To further complicate matters, in a server share environment, it is possible to copy files with bad characters to a server, and then have the server complain that it cannot find the file, or the file doesn't exist. 

So follow the mantra, NEVER use ANY special characters in a file name. If fact, when naming anything destined for the network or internet, use only lower case and numbers and if you have to a normal dash. Avoid spaces where possible. 

my 2?

Bob


On Jan 25, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> Hi David,
> 
> The first thing to understand about Windows? file names you can't use the following...
> 
> \ / : * ? " < > |
> 
> Please take a look at this page...
> http://www.portfoliofaq.com/pfaq/FAQ00352.htm
> ... highlight the word "period" in your browser.
> 
> Here is the word straight from the horse's mouth...
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa365247%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
> 
> Aside form the above, here is what my own test results yielded...
> 
>>    1. docs/hello.txt.html
> This will be interpreted as a the folder "doc" holding a single file named "hello.txt.html"
>>    2. docs/hello.txt/index.html
> This would be interpreted as folder "docs" containing another folder "hello.txt" which contained the file  "index.html".
>>    3. docs/hello_txt/index.html
> (Same as above)
>> and for the image file it would be something like:
>> 
>>    1. docs/hello.png/index.html
> (Again, same as above)
> 
> Please note I have only tested this on Windows 7.  If you need more specific testing, I'll try and help if I can.
> 
> Fair winds,
> Calvin
> 
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Tue Jan 25 14:04:14 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:04:14 -0400
Subject: revision control software
Message-ID: <AANLkTinnaodEpNhpoL=KN4PggiHs19Dm23YZB8AFMd_i@mail.gmail.com>

What's the best revision control software to use when you have one developer
(in the Bahamas say) working on the Windows version and another working on
the Mac version?


From davidocoker at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 14:24:20 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:24:20 -0600
Subject: Linux standalone distibution
In-Reply-To: <4D3F1D86.5060300@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <32145929.4.1295957009160.JavaMail.robl@Robert-Lawrences-iMac.local>
	<4D3F1D86.5060300@hyperactivesw.com>
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> I don't think I want to mess with a desktop file for the icon. Do apps ever
> just ship with a jpg or a png in the folder? Then the user can choose that
> if they want to customize.

It's pretty commonplace for apps that are not handled by some form of
package manager, to not have any kind of icon available at all. I
think most Linux users (count me in) would be very happy to have a
nice PNG image to use and it's not at all hard to deal with, IMO.

Best regards,
David C.



From warren at warrensweb.us  Tue Jan 25 14:50:39 2011
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:50:39 -0600
Subject: File naming convention
In-Reply-To: <6E79CC34-8969-4B07-9D91-3148602DB7A4@twft.com>
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On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 11:01 -0800, Bob Sneidar wrote: 
> To further complicate matters, in a server share environment, it is possible to copy files with bad characters to a server, and then have the server complain that it cannot find the file, or the file doesn't exist. 
> 
> So follow the mantra, NEVER use ANY special characters in a file name. If fact, when naming anything destined for the network or internet, use only lower case and numbers and if you have to a normal dash. Avoid spaces where possible. 
> 
> my 2?
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 25, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:
> 
> > Hi David,
> > 
> > The first thing to understand about Windows? file names you can't use the following...
> > 
> > \ / : * ? " < > |
> > 
> > Please take a look at this page...
> > http://www.portfoliofaq.com/pfaq/FAQ00352.htm
> > ... highlight the word "period" in your browser.
> > 
> > Here is the word straight from the horse's mouth...
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa365247%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
> > 
> > Aside form the above, here is what my own test results yielded...
> > 
> >>    1. docs/hello.txt.html
> > This will be interpreted as a the folder "doc" holding a single file named "hello.txt.html"
> >>    2. docs/hello.txt/index.html
> > This would be interpreted as folder "docs" containing another folder "hello.txt" which contained the file  "index.html".
> >>    3. docs/hello_txt/index.html
> > (Same as above)
> >> and for the image file it would be something like:
> >> 
> >>    1. docs/hello.png/index.html
> > (Again, same as above)
> > 
> > Please note I have only tested this on Windows 7.  If you need more specific testing, I'll try and help if I can.
> > 
> > Fair winds,
> > Calvin


But the "." is not generally a special character. The only caveats I
have come across regarding its usage in filenames involve using it as
either the first or last character of the filename and that the final
period found will be treated as the marker for the file extension in
Windows. Otherwise, as one can infer from available docs and Calvin's
testing demonstrates, the "." is treated as any other character without
special meaning to the OS. Using "." as a word separator in filenames
(and directory names) is a fairly common practice, particularly among
file sharers (mostly using Windows).

Yet another link, just for fun:

http://linuxboxadmin.com/articles/tools-and-utilities/linux/mac/windows-file-name-friction.html

The business about the last period in a filename marking the start of a
file extension doesn't seem to cause any recognition problems - a folder
named "xxx.text" is correctly recognized by the file system as a folder
rather than file "xxx" with extension "text" - on the desktop, but to
satisfy any paranoid doubts, you might check that in a server
environment. Otherwise you could have a hard time navigating to such a
directory even though you can call the files it holds.

Warren







From cjw at eml.cc  Tue Jan 25 14:59:38 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:59:38 -0600
Subject: Student Observations on Weekly Presentations
Message-ID: <4D3F2BAA.108@eml.cc>

Hello,

First off, "BRAVO!" to all who take their time and knowledge to make 
these presentations!  They have been extremely helpful in my learning of 
LiveCode and in being introduced to the programming world outside of 
Windows?!

I also wish to convey my comments herein are not intended as criticisms, 
but as a "reflection" through the eyes of a student.  If nothing 
changes, I will still continue to participate and glean what I can from 
each session.  I realize that "newbies" are in the minority and I do not 
expect nor desire the presentations to be "dumbed down."  I can 
understand that spicing up a presentation makes for a less mundane 
experience.

My comments are from only seeing four presentations.  Perhaps the 
presenters were having "off days?"

Ok, with the above preamble/disclaimers in place, here are some thoughts 
for your consideration when you present...

1. RECORDING - Please make sure you are recording, if you intend to do 
so and let your audience know at the outset you are doing so.  Others 
mileage may vary, but for me knowing I will be able to review the 
presentation allows me to relax and look at the bigger picture and more 
robust interaction of Q&A during the live presentation.  The couple of 
times the chat had comments like "Is he recording?" and "Did he turn on 
the recorder?" sent me into a quasi-panic of myopia and tunnel-vision 
because I did not want to miss any details.

2. SCREEN VIEW - It is nice to match a face to a voice.  Seeing the 
"camera view" of the presenter at the beginning and briefly "here and 
there" during the presentation certainly assists the tardy as well. 
Aside from these brief displays, it is very helpful if the screen real 
estate, the "screen view" is allocated to the computer desktop and 
specific windows where the coding action is happening.  Without doing 
so, it is impossible to read the script, etc. windows.

3. DISTRACTIONS - Just a quick note to say I found the visual effects 
and cartoon animations to distracting for my taste, besides taking up 
screen area.  This is my own personal opinion and not necessarily the 
opinion of any other participant(s).

4. VERBOSITY - I realize this comes easier to some than others, but try 
to verbalize your thought processes as you are working through your 
presentation.  This really helps to "connect the dots," especially for 
those of us who do not have the same familiarity yet.  While I am a 
newbie to LiveCode, I am not a novice programmer and "hearing" the logic 
spoken allows my experience to assist my learning.  Also, if your 
presentation contains a bug, hearing the logic may allow me to assist in 
debugging where otherwise I could not.

5. KEEP AN EYE ON THE CHAT - *We* are able to see and hear you via 
USTREAM, but but the only way you can "see" or "hear" our feedback is 
via the ChatRev.  I noticed more than one instance where the presenter 
was oblivious to what the audience was trying to "say," especially when 
there were problems like sound issues, performance, clarity, etc.


Ok, there are my notes from *my* experiences.  Use what you feel is 
valid and throw out the rest, but by all means please continue to 
present!  :)

I would like to encourage everyone to present something.  Everyone has 
their own personal way of communicating and the way *you* might say 
something could unlock someone's understanding where no one else's 
would.  You don't have to be a guru-coder to present either.  Maybe your 
presentation could be about how you lay out your LiveCode work space, 
what ancillary tools you use to develop, etc.  I am working on a project 
that I will present, hopefully in about six weeks, if I haven't bit off 
more than I can chew. ;)

FYI - I used to work in a television station years ago and have coached 
people into getting over the intimidation, anxiety and stage fright of 
being in front of an audience on camera.  I'll be glad to help if you 
want to try and present.  Unfortunately, I will have to defer the 
technical questions about using USTREAM to other experienced presenters 
at this time.

Fair winds,
Calvin



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 25 15:04:09 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:04:09 -0600
Subject: Linux standalone distibution
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimhOB6jJHz8Z8QVkCDCa9RGCeNzGZGxzeV_Y8Gh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <32145929.4.1295957009160.JavaMail.robl@Robert-Lawrences-iMac.local>	<4D3F1D86.5060300@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTimhOB6jJHz8Z8QVkCDCa9RGCeNzGZGxzeV_Y8Gh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D3F2CB9.9030501@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/25/11 1:24 PM, David C. wrote:
>> I don't think I want to mess with a desktop file for the icon. Do apps ever
>> just ship with a jpg or a png in the folder? Then the user can choose that
>> if they want to customize.
>
> It's pretty commonplace for apps that are not handled by some form of
> package manager, to not have any kind of icon available at all. I
> think most Linux users (count me in) would be very happy to have a
> nice PNG image to use and it's not at all hard to deal with, IMO.

Great, that's what I'll do then. It may be unconventional but hopefully 
users will think of it as thoughtful.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From massung at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 15:10:03 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 13:10:03 -0700
Subject: File naming convention
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikLbmigHNOeBHExe41QLjEKPZVquExNth7WCT=i@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikLbmigHNOeBHExe41QLjEKPZVquExNth7WCT=i@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:11 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>wrote:

> I have the need for an ugly file name hack. I need to store documentation
> about arbitrary files (.html, .png, .livecode etc files) in a separate
> folder (called "docs"). These files will be served by a web server - and
> map
> directly to the original source code files so that a file "hello.txt" with
> correspond to a file named something like:
>
>   1. docs/hello.txt.html
>   2. docs/hello.txt/index.html
>   3. docs/hello_txt/index.html
>
>
Just tossing out some other possible solutions (not that your suggestions
are bad or any of these are better, just trying to think outside the box a
little)... Also, it's hard to know from your email whether or not these will
be options for you if a customer's requests are driving this work or not.

- Use a database to map from source file -> documentation. This way no hack
is needed and it mitigates future problems, like what happens when someone
goes back and renames hello.txt to hello_world.txt?

- Don't have a "docs" folder, but instead make the documentation file sit
right next to the source file. This will get more cluttered, but what do you
do when someone has /source/hello.txt as well as /source/world/hello.txt?
Your docs/ folder will have to somehow understand there are two files with
the same name that are different.

- Create a documentation file per folder instead of per file. For example
/source/docs.html, while handles the documentation for all files in /source/
and /source/world/ will have a docs.html file for everything within it.

- Depending on what types of files you are dealing with, you may be able to
read/write metadata to the files detailing documentation - or linking to the
documentation so that it isn't algorithm-based.

Every solution will have its pros and cons. I think it would help
considerably to identify your biggest concerns/issues and then pick the
solution that best solves those. Enumerating things from above and just
random thoughts:

- Multiple files w/ the same name in different locations
- Renaming source files (documentation "link" now broken)
- Moving of source files to a new location ("link" broken)
- Ease/difficulty of editing documentation files
- Potential filename limitations of documentation (length limit)

Jeff M.


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jan 25 15:38:54 2011
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:38:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Linux standalone distibution
In-Reply-To: <4D3F2CB9.9030501@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4D3E42A8.8050701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<32145929.4.1295957009160.JavaMail.robl@Robert-Lawrences-iMac.local>
	<4D3F1D86.5060300@hyperactivesw.com>
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Just checked the latest download of 4.5.2 and that comes with no obvious
icons. There is one machine I sometimes use with gnome on it, and I seem to
recall downloading the graphic, then creating the desktop launcher, and then
linking to the graphic to inconify it.  So yes, a considerately provided
icon type graphic would be seen as a friendly gesture!

Most linux users are also used to setting the executable bit.  Its only a
right click in gnome.  They have to get used to using properties because
attachments often end up read only, and always will be non-executable, so if
you are putting linux in for someone, this is one of the must cover things.
One day I must do a check list of the others.
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From anthonyhowe at mac.com  Tue Jan 25 15:52:42 2011
From: anthonyhowe at mac.com (Anthony Howe)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:52:42 +1100
Subject: callbacks and looping players.
Message-ID: <5EBDA052-61FB-49E7-A9DC-7DF05B2975AE@mac.com>

heya folks, 

Just tried to implement some callbacks based logic from a player object playing a LOOPING video.

Seems that the callbacks are registered OK for the first run, but cannot hear boo from them after that inside a looping playback moment.

Any pointers? Can i construct some sort of timer in the event that either player objects or perhaps QTExternal are not up to this?

Warm regards,
A.


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Tue Jan 25 15:54:33 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:54:33 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <81775130515.20110125080543@ahsoftware.net>
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They could very well be related. I have asked Heather is this could be a Support Ticket item for the team to look into.

Waiting patiently

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 25, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Tom-
> 
> Is this possibly related to bz #1708?
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
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From support at ahsomme.com  Tue Jan 25 15:57:08 2011
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:57:08 -0800
Subject: revision control software
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinnaodEpNhpoL=KN4PggiHs19Dm23YZB8AFMd_i@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinnaodEpNhpoL=KN4PggiHs19Dm23YZB8AFMd_i@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FEE245D3-C045-4E4C-A174-764EE9385C45@ahsomme.com>

William,
Here at Simple Solutions we've been using Chipp Walter's Magic Carpet.
I could not find a specific link, but this may help:

http://altuit-inc1.software.informer.com/

Paul Looney
On Jan 25, 2011, at 11:04 AM, william humphrey wrote:

> What's the best revision control software to use when you have one  
> developer
> (in the Bahamas say) working on the Windows version and another  
> working on
> the Mac version?
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Tue Jan 25 17:12:16 2011
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:12:16 -0400
Subject: revision control software
In-Reply-To: <FEE245D3-C045-4E4C-A174-764EE9385C45@ahsomme.com>
References: <AANLkTinnaodEpNhpoL=KN4PggiHs19Dm23YZB8AFMd_i@mail.gmail.com>
	<FEE245D3-C045-4E4C-A174-764EE9385C45@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikrb-HepMN3ayKO7jBusJbHwKp0cOmVqGKEs6sp@mail.gmail.com>

We are considering http://www.syntevo.com/smartcvs/index.html as the best
multi-platform choice.


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Tue Jan 25 18:26:43 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:26:43 +0000
Subject: File naming convention
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim3GrMT0zGd06pA3L8OxmEu41ja+O5CMYiYxYsk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikLbmigHNOeBHExe41QLjEKPZVquExNth7WCT=i@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim3GrMT0zGd06pA3L8OxmEu41ja+O5CMYiYxYsk@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for the notes everyone....


On 25 January 2011 18:50, Calvin Waterbury <cjw at eml.cc> wrote:

> The first thing to understand about Windows? file names you can't use the
> following...
>
> \ / : * ? " < > |
>

:( I thought the pipe character was OK nowadays?

Hmmm... so it seems "." is fine for folders... I wander if urlencoding has a
place here?

On 25 January 2011 20:10, Jeff Massung <massung at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:11 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv
> >wrote:
>
> - Use a database to map from source file -> documentation. This way no hack
> is needed and it mitigates future problems, like what happens when someone
> goes back and renames hello.txt to hello_world.txt?
>

Renaming will be a major issue - but a database is not an easy option...

- Don't have a "docs" folder, but instead make the documentation file sit
> right next to the source file.
>

nor is this set up unfortunately (that is how I have the files at the
moment, but I have to move them into their own folder as the web server
insists on it.

The only solution therefore is a simple function which can be in JavaScript
or LiveCode.

- Multiple files w/ the same name in different locations
>

This should be OK - as the documentation tree will mimic the file tree.


> - Renaming source files (documentation "link" now broken)
> - Moving of source files to a new location ("link" broken)
>

These are the headaches. One thought I've had is to use the revision control
system to trace the files version back to it's original root, and use this
as an ID - but this is too complicated and not available in the simplified
environment I'm using - I'm stuck with a simple function...

Thanks for raising the issues though - will need some thought. A couple of
possibilities give some hope with regard to creating a robust solution:

   1. I can use the commit messages (ie revision log information) regarding
   renames and deletions and apply these to the documentation at a convenient
   time.
   2. I can use the sha1 hash of the file as generated by the revision
   control system and embed this in the initial documentation - if a link gets
   broken, I can always trace the documentation back to this file via the hash.


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Tue Jan 25 18:34:34 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:34:34 +0000
Subject: Student Observations on Weekly Presentations
In-Reply-To: <4D3F2BAA.108@eml.cc>
References: <4D3F2BAA.108@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2XNQevBNWZV=DjSLM3sJ=mXTfX6EsuF1yqNrX@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the comments Calvin!

The encouragement and constructive comments are very motivating. The
sessions are certainly informal - in my view the lower and more fun the
expectations the more it will encourage other people to give it a go -
really everyone has something to show that others can enjoy and learn from.

Also, for now we are experimenting with formats and techniques - so I think
you will see a lot of cool tools being added to the mix in the coming weeks
- think of it as beta for now with a more professional launch towards the
time of the conference - at least that's my excuse :)

On 25 January 2011 19:59, Calvin Waterbury <cjw at eml.cc> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> First off, "BRAVO!" to all who take their time and knowledge to make these
> presentations!  They have been extremely helpful in my learning of LiveCode
> and in being introduced to the programming world outside of Windows?!
>
> I also wish to convey my comments herein are not intended as criticisms,
> but as a "reflection" through the eyes of a student.  If nothing changes, I
> will still continue to participate and glean what I can from each session.
>  I realize that "newbies" are in the minority and I do not expect nor desire
> the presentations to be "dumbed down."  I can understand that spicing up a
> presentation makes for a less mundane experience.
>
> My comments are from only seeing four presentations.  Perhaps the
> presenters were having "off days?"
>
> Ok, with the above preamble/disclaimers in place, here are some thoughts
> for your consideration when you present...
>
> 1. RECORDING - Please make sure you are recording, if you intend to do so
> and let your audience know at the outset you are doing so.  Others mileage
> may vary, but for me knowing I will be able to review the presentation
> allows me to relax and look at the bigger picture and more robust
> interaction of Q&A during the live presentation.  The couple of times the
> chat had comments like "Is he recording?" and "Did he turn on the recorder?"
> sent me into a quasi-panic of myopia and tunnel-vision because I did not
> want to miss any details.
>
> 2. SCREEN VIEW - It is nice to match a face to a voice.  Seeing the "camera
> view" of the presenter at the beginning and briefly "here and there" during
> the presentation certainly assists the tardy as well. Aside from these brief
> displays, it is very helpful if the screen real estate, the "screen view" is
> allocated to the computer desktop and specific windows where the coding
> action is happening.  Without doing so, it is impossible to read the script,
> etc. windows.
>
> 3. DISTRACTIONS - Just a quick note to say I found the visual effects and
> cartoon animations to distracting for my taste, besides taking up screen
> area.  This is my own personal opinion and not necessarily the opinion of
> any other participant(s).
>
> 4. VERBOSITY - I realize this comes easier to some than others, but try to
> verbalize your thought processes as you are working through your
> presentation.  This really helps to "connect the dots," especially for those
> of us who do not have the same familiarity yet.  While I am a newbie to
> LiveCode, I am not a novice programmer and "hearing" the logic spoken allows
> my experience to assist my learning.  Also, if your presentation contains a
> bug, hearing the logic may allow me to assist in debugging where otherwise I
> could not.
>
> 5. KEEP AN EYE ON THE CHAT - *We* are able to see and hear you via USTREAM,
> but but the only way you can "see" or "hear" our feedback is via the
> ChatRev.  I noticed more than one instance where the presenter was oblivious
> to what the audience was trying to "say," especially when there were
> problems like sound issues, performance, clarity, etc.
>
>
> Ok, there are my notes from *my* experiences.  Use what you feel is valid
> and throw out the rest, but by all means please continue to present!  :)
>
> I would like to encourage everyone to present something.  Everyone has
> their own personal way of communicating and the way *you* might say
> something could unlock someone's understanding where no one else's would.
>  You don't have to be a guru-coder to present either.  Maybe your
> presentation could be about how you lay out your LiveCode work space, what
> ancillary tools you use to develop, etc.  I am working on a project that I
> will present, hopefully in about six weeks, if I haven't bit off more than I
> can chew. ;)
>
> FYI - I used to work in a television station years ago and have coached
> people into getting over the intimidation, anxiety and stage fright of being
> in front of an audience on camera.  I'll be glad to help if you want to try
> and present.  Unfortunately, I will have to defer the technical questions
> about using USTREAM to other experienced presenters at this time.
>


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Jan 25 18:47:44 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 00:47:44 +0100
Subject: Student Observations on Weekly Presentations
In-Reply-To: <4D3F2BAA.108@eml.cc>
References: <4D3F2BAA.108@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <FD6A7861-2D10-4E9B-92CE-EAA89D0C74D8@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Calvin,

Thanks, I appreciate your comments and I'm glad that the presentations are useful for you. Unfortunately, we can't and don't want to tell people how to present and we don't want them to follow any kind of rules. There is only one rule: THERE ARE NO RULES!!!

I am afraid that your e-mail scared off dozens of people who were thinking they might do a presentation at some time. These people have seen your e-mail and are now backing off. I would like to say to those people: don't worry, we are not going to demand anything from you.

If anyone would like to do a presentation, no matter if you hardly speak English or have never released any product, you are always welcome to show us what you do with Revolution/LiveCode. We usually have more than 20 participants and some of them like to see a really informal video chat while others prefer a more formal lecture. There is no "right" way.

Sorry Calvin, I just had to say this. If the main goal would be to teach, then you were absolutely right, but the true goal of the Live LiveCode Code Event really just is to gather a bunch of people and have some fun. I hope you don't mind.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/ce

On 25 jan 2011, at 20:59, Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> First off, "BRAVO!" to all who take their time and knowledge to make these presentations!  They have been extremely helpful in my learning of LiveCode and in being introduced to the programming world outside of Windows?!
> 
> I also wish to convey my comments herein are not intended as criticisms, but as a "reflection" through the eyes of a student.  If nothing changes, I will still continue to participate and glean what I can from each session.  I realize that "newbies" are in the minority and I do not expect nor desire the presentations to be "dumbed down."  I can understand that spicing up a presentation makes for a less mundane experience.
> 
> My comments are from only seeing four presentations.  Perhaps the presenters were having "off days?"
> 
> Ok, with the above preamble/disclaimers in place, here are some thoughts for your consideration when you present...
> 
> 1. RECORDING - Please make sure you are recording, if you intend to do so and let your audience know at the outset you are doing so.  Others mileage may vary, but for me knowing I will be able to review the presentation allows me to relax and look at the bigger picture and more robust interaction of Q&A during the live presentation.  The couple of times the chat had comments like "Is he recording?" and "Did he turn on the recorder?" sent me into a quasi-panic of myopia and tunnel-vision because I did not want to miss any details.
> 
> 2. SCREEN VIEW - It is nice to match a face to a voice.  Seeing the "camera view" of the presenter at the beginning and briefly "here and there" during the presentation certainly assists the tardy as well. Aside from these brief displays, it is very helpful if the screen real estate, the "screen view" is allocated to the computer desktop and specific windows where the coding action is happening.  Without doing so, it is impossible to read the script, etc. windows.
> 
> 3. DISTRACTIONS - Just a quick note to say I found the visual effects and cartoon animations to distracting for my taste, besides taking up screen area.  This is my own personal opinion and not necessarily the opinion of any other participant(s).
> 
> 4. VERBOSITY - I realize this comes easier to some than others, but try to verbalize your thought processes as you are working through your presentation.  This really helps to "connect the dots," especially for those of us who do not have the same familiarity yet.  While I am a newbie to LiveCode, I am not a novice programmer and "hearing" the logic spoken allows my experience to assist my learning.  Also, if your presentation contains a bug, hearing the logic may allow me to assist in debugging where otherwise I could not.
> 
> 5. KEEP AN EYE ON THE CHAT - *We* are able to see and hear you via USTREAM, but but the only way you can "see" or "hear" our feedback is via the ChatRev.  I noticed more than one instance where the presenter was oblivious to what the audience was trying to "say," especially when there were problems like sound issues, performance, clarity, etc.
> 
> 
> Ok, there are my notes from *my* experiences.  Use what you feel is valid and throw out the rest, but by all means please continue to present!  :)
> 
> I would like to encourage everyone to present something.  Everyone has their own personal way of communicating and the way *you* might say something could unlock someone's understanding where no one else's would.  You don't have to be a guru-coder to present either.  Maybe your presentation could be about how you lay out your LiveCode work space, what ancillary tools you use to develop, etc.  I am working on a project that I will present, hopefully in about six weeks, if I haven't bit off more than I can chew. ;)
> 
> FYI - I used to work in a television station years ago and have coached people into getting over the intimidation, anxiety and stage fright of being in front of an audience on camera.  I'll be glad to help if you want to try and present.  Unfortunately, I will have to defer the technical questions about using USTREAM to other experienced presenters at this time.
> 
> Fair winds,
> Calvin
> 
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Tue Jan 25 19:03:33 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 00:03:33 +0000
Subject: $PATH
Message-ID: <AANLkTin8f6cpc1_0qVk+AhvYHusSaM9CKft1Sw6t3eu_@mail.gmail.com>

AFAIK - the way $PATH works (at least on OSX / Linux) is not the same as you
get when you open your terminal... essentially because it is not using your
.profile or equivalent settings when the shell is initiated. I am not sure
where it gets it's initial setting?

What do people do to ensure command line tools are reachable... cross
platform? I can think of a few strategies:

   1. Use the full path when calling them and place them in any folder you
   want
   2. Give a use the option to install it in one of the existing folders
   already on the PATH
   3. Set the $PATH using shell commands - I'm not sure what effect if any
   setting it in the IDE / application has?

Also for those of you on Windows - how does the shell work in terms of paths
on Windows systems - has anyone any links I can read up on?


From massung at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 19:05:38 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:05:38 -0700
Subject: File naming convention
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=fWxxyz2bykpx3pYz7cu-0t0OED0BMT_M+P_pK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikLbmigHNOeBHExe41QLjEKPZVquExNth7WCT=i@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim3GrMT0zGd06pA3L8OxmEu41ja+O5CMYiYxYsk@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=fWxxyz2bykpx3pYz7cu-0t0OED0BMT_M+P_pK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik+PXE3fOCLT6SY3GQgFw_OsDe_ThADNkG5anUr@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:26 PM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>wrote:

> Thanks for the notes everyone....
>
> > - Renaming source files (documentation "link" now broken)
> > - Moving of source files to a new location ("link" broken)
> >
>
> These are the headaches. One thought I've had is to use the revision
> control
> system to trace the files version back to it's original root,...


SHA1's and such will certainly help. If you've never used it before (sounds
like you have from your choice of jargon), GIT is pretty damn incredible at
figuring out file moves and realizing that file A is no longer there, file B
showed up, but oddly enough is almost exactly the same as A was, and
assuming that B is really just A moved to B's location.

You may be able to use that to your advantage.

Jeff M.


From johnpatten at mac.com  Tue Jan 25 19:20:22 2011
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:20:22 -0800
Subject: Chopping Up A Paragraph into chunks
In-Reply-To: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <50785D90-9C1E-4F56-AF84-C927FC1CBD7E@mac.com>


Hi All...

I'm trying to divide a paragraph into random chunks, but I'm not quite  
sure how to do it.

Here's what I'm thinking:

put the text of cd fld "paragraphContainer" into tParagraph
   put the number of words in tParagraph into tWordCount
    put random(10) into tRandomGroup --determineshow many words per  
chunk
   put tWordCount/tRandomGroup into tNumberOfWordsInChunk  --I know I  
could have a decimal, but I'll deal with that later...
    put 0 into x
    repeat until number of words in cd fld "paragraphContainer" = 0  -- 
Not sure this is possible?
        create field
       set the loc of last fld to (x+5,150) -- stepping the location  
of each new field over 5 pixels
       select first tRandomGroup words of cd fld "paragraphContainer"  
-- planning to cut selected words from field and just repeat until all  
words are cut from field
       cut selectedText
       paste into last cd fld
       add 5 to x
    end repeat


Would it be better to put all the chunks in an array first, and then  
pull them out of the array in chunks?

Ultimately just trying to get a group of new fields consisting of  
chunks of text from the main paragraph.

Thank you!

John Patten
SUSD


From ray at linkit.com  Tue Jan 25 19:28:20 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:28:20 -0500
Subject: RevBrowserPrint Problems
Message-ID: <005901cbbcef$efcc4b60$cf64e220$@LinkIt.Com>

Greetings,

I'm printing a stack of 10 cards.  Cards 2, 4 and 6 display a URL via the
revBrowser commands while the others do not.  The following script does not
work since each time the revBrowserPrint command is called the script
continues to execute without waiting for the user to dismiss the print
dialog which revBrowser produces (and it's seems there's no way to suppress
the dialog).

on printStack
   repeat with C=1 to number of cards
      go cd C
      put the BrowserId of this cd into myId
      if myId is a number then
         revBrowserPrint myId
      else print this cd
   end repeat
end printStack

Wrapping the same kind of a script in 'open printing' and 'close printing'
also fails since revBroswerPrint seems to be oblivious to 'open printing'.
I've tried inserting an answer command to confirm printing each card.  This
seems to work but then even this gets ahead of the revBrowserPrint as the
answer dialog window starts coming up on top of a previously displayed print
dialog produced by revBrowserPrint which the user hasn't dismissed yet (and
need to dismiss first or printing gets out of order).

Anybody with any ideas on how to work around this?

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software




From cjw at eml.cc  Tue Jan 25 19:30:38 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:30:38 -0600
Subject: Student Observations on Weekly Presentations
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik2XNQevBNWZV=DjSLM3sJ=mXTfX6EsuF1yqNrX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D3F2BAA.108@eml.cc>
	<AANLkTik2XNQevBNWZV=DjSLM3sJ=mXTfX6EsuF1yqNrX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D3F6B2E.902@eml.cc>

Hi David,

I am glad you chimed in that "presenting" is not only for the favored 
few, but for everyone!

Looking forward to the "new" stuff!
Calvin



> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	David Bovill <mailto:david at vaudevillecourt.tv>
> Tuesday, January 25, 2011 5:34 PM
>
>
> Thanks for the comments Calvin!
>
> The encouragement and constructive comments are very motivating. The
> sessions are certainly informal - in my view the lower and more fun the
> expectations the more it will encourage other people to give it a go -
> really everyone has something to show that others can enjoy and learn 
> from.
>
> Also, for now we are experimenting with formats and techniques - so I 
> think
> you will see a lot of cool tools being added to the mix in the coming 
> weeks
> - think of it as beta for now with a more professional launch towards the
> time of the conference - at least that's my excuse :)
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Calvin Waterbury <mailto:cjw at eml.cc>
> Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:59 PM
>
>
> Hello,
>
> First off, "BRAVO!" to all who take their time and knowledge to make 
> these presentations!  They have been extremely helpful in my learning 
> of LiveCode and in being introduced to the programming world outside 
> of Windows?!
>
> I also wish to convey my comments herein are not intended as 
> criticisms, but as a "reflection" through the eyes of a student.  If 
> nothing changes, I will still continue to participate and glean what I 
> can from each session.  I realize that "newbies" are in the minority 
> and I do not expect nor desire the presentations to be "dumbed down."  
> I can understand that spicing up a presentation makes for a less 
> mundane experience.
>
> My comments are from only seeing four presentations.  Perhaps the 
> presenters were having "off days?"
>
> Ok, with the above preamble/disclaimers in place, here are some 
> thoughts for your consideration when you present...
>
> 1. RECORDING - Please make sure you are recording, if you intend to do 
> so and let your audience know at the outset you are doing so.  Others 
> mileage may vary, but for me knowing I will be able to review the 
> presentation allows me to relax and look at the bigger picture and 
> more robust interaction of Q&A during the live presentation.  The 
> couple of times the chat had comments like "Is he recording?" and "Did 
> he turn on the recorder?" sent me into a quasi-panic of myopia and 
> tunnel-vision because I did not want to miss any details.
>
> 2. SCREEN VIEW - It is nice to match a face to a voice.  Seeing the 
> "camera view" of the presenter at the beginning and briefly "here and 
> there" during the presentation certainly assists the tardy as well. 
> Aside from these brief displays, it is very helpful if the screen real 
> estate, the "screen view" is allocated to the computer desktop and 
> specific windows where the coding action is happening.  Without doing 
> so, it is impossible to read the script, etc. windows.
>
> 3. DISTRACTIONS - Just a quick note to say I found the visual effects 
> and cartoon animations to distracting for my taste, besides taking up 
> screen area.  This is my own personal opinion and not necessarily the 
> opinion of any other participant(s).
>
> 4. VERBOSITY - I realize this comes easier to some than others, but 
> try to verbalize your thought processes as you are working through 
> your presentation.  This really helps to "connect the dots," 
> especially for those of us who do not have the same familiarity yet.  
> While I am a newbie to LiveCode, I am not a novice programmer and 
> "hearing" the logic spoken allows my experience to assist my 
> learning.  Also, if your presentation contains a bug, hearing the 
> logic may allow me to assist in debugging where otherwise I could not.
>
> 5. KEEP AN EYE ON THE CHAT - *We* are able to see and hear you via 
> USTREAM, but but the only way you can "see" or "hear" our feedback is 
> via the ChatRev.  I noticed more than one instance where the presenter 
> was oblivious to what the audience was trying to "say," especially 
> when there were problems like sound issues, performance, clarity, etc.
>
>
> Ok, there are my notes from *my* experiences.  Use what you feel is 
> valid and throw out the rest, but by all means please continue to 
> present!  :)
>
> I would like to encourage everyone to present something.  Everyone has 
> their own personal way of communicating and the way *you* might say 
> something could unlock someone's understanding where no one else's 
> would.  You don't have to be a guru-coder to present either.  Maybe 
> your presentation could be about how you lay out your LiveCode work 
> space, what ancillary tools you use to develop, etc.  I am working on 
> a project that I will present, hopefully in about six weeks, if I 
> haven't bit off more than I can chew. ;)
>
> FYI - I used to work in a television station years ago and have 
> coached people into getting over the intimidation, anxiety and stage 
> fright of being in front of an audience on camera.  I'll be glad to 
> help if you want to try and present.  Unfortunately, I will have to 
> defer the technical questions about using USTREAM to other experienced 
> presenters at this time.
>
> Fair winds,
> Calvin



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jan 25 20:13:53 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:13:53 -0800
Subject: Happy Robbie Burns Night
Message-ID: <53808020437.20110125171353@ahsoftware.net>

All-

What are you doing to celebrate Burns Night? I made a vegetarian
haggis (with neeps and tatties, natch) and will be reciting "To a
Haggis" at a dinner this evening.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jan 25 20:14:59 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:14:59 -0800
Subject: $PATH
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin8f6cpc1_0qVk+AhvYHusSaM9CKft1Sw6t3eu_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin8f6cpc1_0qVk+AhvYHusSaM9CKft1Sw6t3eu_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <142808086421.20110125171459@ahsoftware.net>

David-

Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 4:03:33 PM, you wrote:

> AFAIK - the way $PATH works (at least on OSX / Linux) is not the same as you
> get when you open your terminal... essentially because it is not using your
> .profile or equivalent settings when the shell is initiated. I am not sure
> where it gets it's initial setting?

$PATH returns my path on Fedora Core. So does

put shell("$PATH")

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From cjw at eml.cc  Tue Jan 25 20:20:10 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:20:10 -0600
Subject: Happy Robbie Burns Night
In-Reply-To: <53808020437.20110125171353@ahsoftware.net>
References: <53808020437.20110125171353@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4D3F76CA.9060702@eml.cc>

Hi Mark,

I am not familiar with "Burn's Night."  I could do a search on the web 
for information, but I like the personal touch. :)

Could you provide a brief explanation or at least a link to what *you* 
are referencing?

Also, I am equally lost about "haggis (with neeps and tatties, natch)," 
but I can dig that up myself (I hope?).

Thanks in advance,
Calvin

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Mark Wieder <mailto:mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:13 PM
>
>
> All-
>
> What are you doing to celebrate Burns Night? I made a vegetarian
> haggis (with neeps and tatties, natch) and will be reciting "To a
> Haggis" at a dinner this evening.
>



From cjw at eml.cc  Tue Jan 25 20:49:43 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:49:43 -0600
Subject: Student Observations on Weekly Presentations
In-Reply-To: <FD6A7861-2D10-4E9B-92CE-EAA89D0C74D8@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4D3F2BAA.108@eml.cc>
	<FD6A7861-2D10-4E9B-92CE-EAA89D0C74D8@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4D3F7DB7.6050604@eml.cc>

Hi Mark,

No need to to apologize since you are expressing your thoughts and 
opinions as I did mine.  I take them for who you are and as a way to 
learn you better, but it doesn't follow I will necessarily agree.  ;)

"RULES"  Who said anything about "RULES?"  I certainly didn't! I took 
pains to make sure the reader understood *my* comments were simply 
that... "mine."  They were *my* opinions and views relating to my 
experience.  Unless you can tell me that you have received numerous 
emails from trembling people who were intimidated by "my opinions," I 
question how fair it is to state...

"I am afraid that your e-mail scared off dozens of people who were 
thinking they might do a presentation at some time. These people have 
seen your e-mail and are now backing off. I would like to say to those 
people: don't worry, we are not going to demand anything from you."

Did you receive any emails from "dozens?"  This is important for me to 
know as I will have to do a major overhaul to my present understanding 
of how to communicate.

On the issue of "... not demanding anything..." I am *not* demanding 
anything.

I guess it really comes down to "why" people are presenting?  I'm 
persuaded the whole point of sharing something via "presentations" 
(maybe this moniker should be renamed?) is to communicate knowledge and 
understanding. If I am "sharing" via a USTREAM session, my intent is to 
make what is mine, yours.  I want to let what I understand be available 
to let you add it to your understanding, if you wish.

The concept of making a "presentation" just to do a "presentation" is 
absurd.  If I do a USTREAM session and don't show the screen properly, 
you will not be able to follow, especially if I never offer enough 
commentary.  Further, if I use my own custom naming conventions that 
have no relation or context to what I am working on additional confusion 
is added to the mix.  How easy would it be for you to understand if I 
chose to use animal names for different parts of a construct, instead of 
related verbiage that makes sense in the routine's context?  The answer: 
very difficult at best.  If I did use animal names and didn't watch the 
chat, how would any questions on the chat seeking clarity ever be seen?

I'm not really sure what you were trying to convey in your remarks and I 
have no desire to make any enemies here, but when someone offers a 
criticism of my offerings that had no ill intention and was 
painstakingly crafted to ensure the same, they had better be prepared to 
substantiate their rebuttal.  This does not mean I can't learn from 
correction, but I can't learn if I don't understand the point(s) being 
made.  Keep in mind, I may attack a *message,* but I try hard to never 
to attack a *messenger.*

Frankly, you might consider how the criticism of my comments you offered 
has "...scared off dozens of people who were thinking they might..." 
offer their own criticism of how things are around here?  I can assure 
you the acceptance or the resistance of such criticisms as I have 
offered by long-standing members will speak volumes to any others as to 
what they can expect.  The response of ensconced membership to critical 
comments and suggestions from the masses *will* encourage or discourage 
a free-flow of dialog.

In closing, I would like to reiterate my original comments were my own 
personal and unique observations.  Nothing was intended (nor do I expect 
it was universally construed) as heavy-handed directives or "rules."   I 
agree there are no "RULES" to follow in "presenting," but if anyone is 
interested in myself (maybe others?) as participant(s) to gain anything 
from what is being offered, common sense should dictate what conventions 
should be adhered to.  Given the above, I ask you or anyone else to 
please highlight and explain which of my five suggestions were outside 
the realms of common sense?

Mark, my comments above are a friendly response to your friendly 
rebuttal and I look forward to further friendly dialectic.  Since I am 
very new to this group I need to state if anything I have stated or the 
way I have stated it seems to have violated the context of an amiable 
debate, please advise me via private email.  I love a healthy argument 
with an intelligent person, but I hate hurting anyone's feelings.  You 
may depend on me to make any public correction or public apology if 
deemed necessary.

Fair winds,
Calvin
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Mark Schonewille <mailto:m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
> Tuesday, January 25, 2011 5:47 PM
>
>
> Hi Calvin,
>
> Thanks, I appreciate your comments and I'm glad that the presentations 
> are useful for you. Unfortunately, we can't and don't want to tell 
> people how to present and we don't want them to follow any kind of 
> rules. There is only one rule: THERE ARE NO RULES!!!
>
> I am afraid that your e-mail scared off dozens of people who were 
> thinking they might do a presentation at some time. These people have 
> seen your e-mail and are now backing off. I would like to say to those 
> people: don't worry, we are not going to demand anything from you.
>
> If anyone would like to do a presentation, no matter if you hardly 
> speak English or have never released any product, you are always 
> welcome to show us what you do with Revolution/LiveCode. We usually 
> have more than 20 participants and some of them like to see a really 
> informal video chat while others prefer a more formal lecture. There 
> is no "right" way.
>
> Sorry Calvin, I just had to say this. If the main goal would be to 
> teach, then you were absolutely right, but the true goal of the Live 
> LiveCode Code Event really just is to gather a bunch of people and 
> have some fun. I hope you don't mind.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here 
> http://qery.us/ce
>
>
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> 	Calvin Waterbury <mailto:cjw at eml.cc>
> Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:59 PM
>
>
> Hello,
>
> First off, "BRAVO!" to all who take their time and knowledge to make 
> these presentations!  They have been extremely helpful in my learning 
> of LiveCode and in being introduced to the programming world outside 
> of Windows?!
>
> I also wish to convey my comments herein are not intended as 
> criticisms, but as a "reflection" through the eyes of a student.  If 
> nothing changes, I will still continue to participate and glean what I 
> can from each session.  I realize that "newbies" are in the minority 
> and I do not expect nor desire the presentations to be "dumbed down."  
> I can understand that spicing up a presentation makes for a less 
> mundane experience.
>
> My comments are from only seeing four presentations.  Perhaps the 
> presenters were having "off days?"
>
> Ok, with the above preamble/disclaimers in place, here are some 
> thoughts for your consideration when you present...
>
> 1. RECORDING - Please make sure you are recording, if you intend to do 
> so and let your audience know at the outset you are doing so.  Others 
> mileage may vary, but for me knowing I will be able to review the 
> presentation allows me to relax and look at the bigger picture and 
> more robust interaction of Q&A during the live presentation.  The 
> couple of times the chat had comments like "Is he recording?" and "Did 
> he turn on the recorder?" sent me into a quasi-panic of myopia and 
> tunnel-vision because I did not want to miss any details.
>
> 2. SCREEN VIEW - It is nice to match a face to a voice.  Seeing the 
> "camera view" of the presenter at the beginning and briefly "here and 
> there" during the presentation certainly assists the tardy as well. 
> Aside from these brief displays, it is very helpful if the screen real 
> estate, the "screen view" is allocated to the computer desktop and 
> specific windows where the coding action is happening.  Without doing 
> so, it is impossible to read the script, etc. windows.
>
> 3. DISTRACTIONS - Just a quick note to say I found the visual effects 
> and cartoon animations to distracting for my taste, besides taking up 
> screen area.  This is my own personal opinion and not necessarily the 
> opinion of any other participant(s).
>
> 4. VERBOSITY - I realize this comes easier to some than others, but 
> try to verbalize your thought processes as you are working through 
> your presentation.  This really helps to "connect the dots," 
> especially for those of us who do not have the same familiarity yet.  
> While I am a newbie to LiveCode, I am not a novice programmer and 
> "hearing" the logic spoken allows my experience to assist my 
> learning.  Also, if your presentation contains a bug, hearing the 
> logic may allow me to assist in debugging where otherwise I could not.
>
> 5. KEEP AN EYE ON THE CHAT - *We* are able to see and hear you via 
> USTREAM, but but the only way you can "see" or "hear" our feedback is 
> via the ChatRev.  I noticed more than one instance where the presenter 
> was oblivious to what the audience was trying to "say," especially 
> when there were problems like sound issues, performance, clarity, etc.
>
>
> Ok, there are my notes from *my* experiences.  Use what you feel is 
> valid and throw out the rest, but by all means please continue to 
> present!  :)
>
> I would like to encourage everyone to present something.  Everyone has 
> their own personal way of communicating and the way *you* might say 
> something could unlock someone's understanding where no one else's 
> would.  You don't have to be a guru-coder to present either.  Maybe 
> your presentation could be about how you lay out your LiveCode work 
> space, what ancillary tools you use to develop, etc.  I am working on 
> a project that I will present, hopefully in about six weeks, if I 
> haven't bit off more than I can chew. ;)
>
> FYI - I used to work in a television station years ago and have 
> coached people into getting over the intimidation, anxiety and stage 
> fright of being in front of an audience on camera.  I'll be glad to 
> help if you want to try and present.  Unfortunately, I will have to 
> defer the technical questions about using USTREAM to other experienced 
> presenters at this time.
>
> Fair winds,
> Calvin



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Tue Jan 25 22:03:42 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:03:42 -0800
Subject: Happy Robbie Burns Night
In-Reply-To: <53808020437.20110125171353@ahsoftware.net>
References: <53808020437.20110125171353@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <F358FD05-7AC6-4340-9042-A11EF6326EE8@mollysrevenge.com>

Here's a snippet from my friend in Scotland that might balance out the terrible thought of vegetarian haggis!

"Whilst I?m here I?d like say ?Happy Rabbie Burns Day?. Every hospital in every country of the World has a Burns unit thanks to our National bard?
Unlike our US counterparts, us Scots are having Haggis with?extra sheep lung. Yeh, you ?health and safety? mad dudes heard me right?extra sheep lung?how do you like that huh!?"

I guess the only thing that could make it better would ch**se! (Hope that doesn't violate forum policies)

Pete Haworth

On Jan 25, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> All-
> 
> What are you doing to celebrate Burns Night? I made a vegetarian
> haggis (with neeps and tatties, natch) and will be reciting "To a
> Haggis" at a dinner this evening.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Jan 25 22:57:38 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:57:38 EST
Subject: Chopping Up A Paragraph into chunks
Message-ID: <8b339.4213ce45.3a70f5b2@aol.com>

This should   be done with the wordoffset function, using the "words to 
skip" to advantage.

But this more readable. I had a field "source" with some text, and a fld 
"theResults". In a button script:

on mouseUp
   put "" into fld "theResults"
   put fld "source" into temp
   repeat while the number of words of temp <> 0
     get random(8)
     put word 1 to it of temp & return after fld "theResults"
     delete word 1 to it of temp
   end repeat
end mouseup

Straigthtforward. But try it with the wordOffset function, keeping track of 
where you are and updating the "words to skip". You can play around with 
your field making gadgetry; change the repeat loop by adding a counter so that 
a new field is created each pass. Put the data into those new fields 
instead of appending to the "theResults" field.

Craig Newman


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 25 23:49:03 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:49:03 -0600
Subject: Chopping Up A Paragraph into chunks
In-Reply-To: <50785D90-9C1E-4F56-AF84-C927FC1CBD7E@mac.com>
References: <4D272DEC.8000806@fourthworld.com>
	<50785D90-9C1E-4F56-AF84-C927FC1CBD7E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4D3FA7BF.50801@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/25/11 6:20 PM, John Patten wrote:
>
> I'm trying to divide a paragraph into random chunks, but I'm not quite
> sure how to do it.
>
> Here's what I'm thinking:

With some minor revisions your script will work but it isn't as 
efficient as it might be.

> put the text of cd fld "paragraphContainer" into tParagraph
>   put the number of words in tParagraph into tWordCount
>    put random(10) into tRandomGroup --determineshow many words per chunk
>   put tWordCount/tRandomGroup into tNumberOfWordsInChunk  --I know I could have a decimal, but I'll deal with that later...
>    put 0 into x

"div" will eliminate the decimal problem, but the variable isn't used 
after this so I'd remove that line.

>    repeat until number of words in cd fld "paragraphContainer" = 0  --Not sure this is possible?

Yes, that's valid.

>       create field
>       set the loc of last fld to (x+5,150) -- stepping the location of each new field over 5 pixels
>       select first tRandomGroup words of cd fld "paragraphContainer" -- planning to cut selected words from field and just repeat until all words are cut from field

You can select "the first word of" but you can't select "the first x 
words of". So instead you'd need to change that to "select word 1 to 
tRandomGroup words of...".

>       cut selectedText
>       paste into last cd fld
>       add 5 to x
>    end repeat

Accessing fields is one of the slowest things you can do, so it's best 
to avoid that as much as possible. The more you can do in memory, the 
better. Selecting text, cutting, and pasting are all expensive operations.

One way to access fields less is to do all the chunking in memory and 
only access fields when you need to create and put text into them. I 
might do something like this:

on mouseUp
   put the text of cd fld "paragraphContainer" into tParagraph -- don't 
touch the field again after this
   put random(10) into tWordsPerChunk -- words per chunk
   put 0 into x
   put 1 into tCurWordCount -- tracks which word we're at
   repeat until tCurWordCount > the number of words in tParagraph
     create field
     set the loc of last fld to (x+5,150)
     put word tCurWordCount to tCurWordCount+tWordsPerChunk of 
tParagraph into last fld
     add tWordsPerChunk+1 to tCurWordCount
     add 5 to x
   end repeat
   put "" into fld "paragraphContainer" -- if you want
end mouseUp

This is more efficient than cutting and pasting but it isn't as fast as 
it could be either, because each time through the loop the engine has to 
count up to the tCurWordCount word before it can find the text we want. 
So it's a little faster to just lop off the text you're done with -- 
like your original idea, only do it all in RAM:

on mouseUp
   put the text of cd fld "paragraphContainer" into tParagraph
   put random(10) into tWordsPerChunk -- words per chunk
   put 0 into x
   repeat until tParagraph = ""
     create field
     set the loc of last fld to (x+5,150)
     put word 1 to tWordsPerChunk of tParagraph into last fld
     delete word 1 to tWordsPerChunk of tParagraph
     add 5 to x
   end repeat
   put "" into fld "paragraphContainer" -- if you want
end mouseUp

You were on the right track.
-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 26 00:03:09 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:03:09 -0600
Subject: Chopping Up A Paragraph into chunks
In-Reply-To: <8b339.4213ce45.3a70f5b2@aol.com>
References: <8b339.4213ce45.3a70f5b2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D3FAB0D.7030207@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/25/11 9:57 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> This should   be done with the wordoffset function, using the "words to
> skip" to advantage.

Except that wordOffset looks for a string match, and we're looking for a 
number of words instead. Your actual example works.

It wasn't clear to me whether the chunks should be a random number per 
field, or a set size based on a random number, but after re-reading the 
original it looked like he wanted the same number of words per field. 
Whichever it should be, now he has two ways to do it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 26 00:14:21 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:14:21 -0600
Subject: Answer file with type BMPf?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikUeqsmRqVA_ONg8xpxOC4snrayoe_7BO-EB9Uk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikUeqsmRqVA_ONg8xpxOC4snrayoe_7BO-EB9Uk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D3FADAD.8030300@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/25/11 12:19 PM, William de Smet wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Why doesn't this work for BMP files?
> answer file "Kies een foto:" with type "All
> Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|JPEG,GIFf,PNGf,BMPf"
>
> on mouseup
>      answer file "Choose:" with type "All
> Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|JPEG,GIFf,PNGf,BMPf"
>                 if it = empty
>                 then
>                    put empty into img "x1"
>                      exit mouseUp
>                 end if
>                 put url ("binfile:"&  it) into img "x1"
> end mouseup

It looks like it should work. What goes wrong?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 26 00:22:08 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:22:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RevBrowserPrint Problems
In-Reply-To: <005901cbbcef$efcc4b60$cf64e220$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <575856.48215.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 1/25/11, Ray Horsley <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> I'm printing a stack of 10 cards.? Cards 2, 4 and 6
> display a URL via the
> revBrowser commands while the others do not.? The
> following script does not
> work since each time the revBrowserPrint command is called
> the script
> continues to execute without waiting for the user to
> dismiss the print
> dialog which revBrowser produces (and it's seems there's no
> way to suppress
> the dialog).
> 
> on printStack
> ???repeat with C=1 to number of cards
> ? ? ? go cd C
> ? ? ? put the BrowserId of this cd into
> myId
> ? ? ? if myId is a number then
> ? ? ? ???revBrowserPrint
> myId
> ? ? ? else print this cd
> ???end repeat
> end printStack
> 
> Wrapping the same kind of a script in 'open printing' and
> 'close printing'
> also fails since revBroswerPrint seems to be oblivious to
> 'open printing'.
> I've tried inserting an answer command to confirm printing
> each card.? This
> seems to work but then even this gets ahead of the
> revBrowserPrint as the
> answer dialog window starts coming up on top of a
> previously displayed print
> dialog produced by revBrowserPrint which the user hasn't
> dismissed yet (and
> need to dismiss first or printing gets out of order).
> 
> Anybody with any ideas on how to work around this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
> 

Sorry to disappoint you, Ray, but revBrowserPrint is completely separate from LiveCode's built-in printing mechanism: it merely asks the embedded browser control (WebKit on MacOSX, InternetExplorer on Windows) to print as if the user had gone to the regular browser application and clicked the 'Print' button there.
This means none of the LiveCode print properties and commands have any influence (printPaperOrientation, printRanges, printCopies and printerName to point out the obviously interesting ones) on how the browser decides to print - and it won't work "silently" either.

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 01:41:12 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:41:12 +0100
Subject: Answer file with type BMPf?
In-Reply-To: <4D3FADAD.8030300@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <AANLkTikUeqsmRqVA_ONg8xpxOC4snrayoe_7BO-EB9Uk@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D3FADAD.8030300@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <DB09F967-4C64-4BD7-B6F9-0558B7307FA1@gmail.com>

Hi Jacqueline,

I forget to mention that this works for all images except for .bmp files. I'm on OSX 10.6 and the file is shown in Finder. Is this related to OSX?

Greetings,

William

-----
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone!

Op 26 jan. 2011 om 06:14 heeft "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> het volgende geschreven:

> On 1/25/11 12:19 PM, William de Smet wrote:
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> Why doesn't this work for BMP files?
>> answer file "Kies een foto:" with type "All
>> Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|JPEG,GIFf,PNGf,BMPf"
>> 
>> on mouseup
>>     answer file "Choose:" with type "All
>> Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|JPEG,GIFf,PNGf,BMPf"
>>                if it = empty
>>                then
>>                   put empty into img "x1"
>>                     exit mouseUp
>>                end if
>>                put url ("binfile:"&  it) into img "x1"
>> end mouseup
> 
> It looks like it should work. What goes wrong?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 01:55:23 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:55:23 +0200
Subject: Happy Robbie Burns Night
In-Reply-To: <53808020437.20110125171353@ahsoftware.net>
References: <53808020437.20110125171353@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4D3FC55B.109@gmail.com>

On 01/26/2011 03:13 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> All-
>
> What are you doing to celebrate Burns Night? I made a vegetarian
> haggis (with neeps and tatties, natch) and will be reciting "To a
> Haggis" at a dinner this evening.
>
Nothing!  While Burns' poetry was, on the whole, not
unduly bad; his politics were proto-Socialist and his morals
were abominable.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jan 26 01:59:40 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:59:40 -0800
Subject: Happy Robbie Burns Night
In-Reply-To: <4D3F76CA.9060702@eml.cc>
References: <53808020437.20110125171353@ahsoftware.net>
	<4D3F76CA.9060702@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <105828767812.20110125225940@ahsoftware.net>

Calvin-

Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 5:20:10 PM, you wrote:

> Hi Mark,

> I am not familiar with "Burn's Night."  I could do a search on the web
> for information, but I like the personal touch. :)

> Could you provide a brief explanation or at least a link to what *you*
> are referencing?

> Also, I am equally lost about "haggis (with neeps and tatties, natch),"
> but I can dig that up myself (I hope?).

Here's a starter kit:

http://www.rbwf.org.uk/supper/burns_supper_intro.htm
http://www.scottish-recipes.com/burns-night.html

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Jan 26 04:09:23 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:09:23 +0000
Subject: $PATH
In-Reply-To: <142808086421.20110125171459@ahsoftware.net>
References: <AANLkTin8f6cpc1_0qVk+AhvYHusSaM9CKft1Sw6t3eu_@mail.gmail.com>
	<142808086421.20110125171459@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin=cohUNcJg88cZHYrUDera=dJJCz-DWVSu3-kx@mail.gmail.com>

Yes - but does it return the same $PATH even after you have customised your
personal user $PATH with entries in .profile or one of the many other files
that you can customise yourself, or that installers of command line tools
often cutomise for you (for instance MacPorts).

Even in MC days on Linux, I found that my own personal shell value of $PATH
was not the same as the MC result that gets returned with $PATH. I doubt
this is any different on Fedora Core?

For instance on my OSX system: I can use shell commands because my $PATH in
the default bash shell is:

/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11/bin
>

In LiveCode $PATH (and therefore which command line tools are found) is
simply:

/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/opt/local/bin

This is because my .profile settings are:

> # MacPorts Installer addition on 2009-05-28_at_01:12:13: adding an
> appropriate PATH variable for use with MacPorts.
> export PATH=/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:$PATH
> # Finished adapting your PATH environment variable for use with MacPorts.
>
>
> # MacPorts Installer addition on 2009-05-28_at_01:12:13: adding an
> appropriate MANPATH variable for use with MacPorts.
> export MANPATH=/opt/local/share/man:$MANPATH
> # Finished adapting your MANPATH environment variable for use with
> MacPorts.
>
>
> ##
> # Your previous /Users/david/.profile file was backed up as
> /Users/david/.profile.macports-saved_2009-08-28_at_23:30:02
> ##
>
> # MacPorts Installer addition on 2009-08-28_at_23:30:02: adding an
> appropriate PATH variable for use with MacPorts.
> export PATH=/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:$PATH
> # Finished adapting your PATH environment variable for use with MacPorts.
>

Somewhere around I have code that would read and write to these files in
order to keep the shell environments in LiveCode and the terminal in sync -
and I need to get this right for the tools I'm working on for LiveCode TV
shared code libraries, as they interface with various command line tools.
Need to get to the bottom of these issues cross platform.

On 26 January 2011 01:14, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

>
> > AFAIK - the way $PATH works (at least on OSX / Linux) is not the same as
> you
> > get when you open your terminal... essentially because it is not using
> your
> > .profile or equivalent settings when the shell is initiated. I am not
> sure
> > where it gets it's initial setting?
>
> $PATH returns my path on Fedora Core. So does
>
> put shell("$PATH")
>


From andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr  Wed Jan 26 04:23:35 2011
From: andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Bisseret?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:23:35 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Data Grid Helper clones your DataGrids and supports the MC
	IDE
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=cjQV82nAW3FpO-dexKekwLWQUcb8O-+egn7ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=cjQV82nAW3FpO-dexKekwLWQUcb8O-+egn7ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <803B327B-3C68-4ABD-8B8E-AEEE6D6FF99C@wanadoo.fr>

Bonjour TheSlug,

Thanks a lot again for your beautiful and very useful DGH.
Data grids is a superb complement to livecode thanks to Trevor deVore.
But "a bit" more complex than any others objects ;-) )
The properties palette allows to set only a part of the properties and before DGH, I often had to script (via the message box).
Now it's rarely the case; and even for properties that are settable in the properties palette, I prefer the DGH' categorization: seems to me quite faster!

And of course, I love the "Install scripts" part of the DGH: fantastic ;-) it avoids long searches in the data grid" doc!

Magnifique !

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?


Le 17 janv. 2011 ? 15:45, zryip theSlug a ?crit :

> Dear LiveCoder,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the availability of a new version of DGH.
> 
> What we have for you in the 1.2.0 version of DGH?
> 
> 
> 1. A new feature: Mimetism.
> 
> The mimetism feature allows to clone an existing datagrid by putting
> it in a cloning chamber.
> DGH clones:
> - the datagrid properties, template and behaviors.
> - the datagrid dgData.
> 
> This is different than a simple copy/paste of an existing datagrid. In
> DGH, the resulting clones have their own templates and behaviors,
> instead of sharing the template and behaviors of the original
> DataGrid.
> 
> 
> 2. "lockloc" an object in the DGH's TMPL area is now possible.
> 
> 
> 3. Change:
> 
> - DGH supports now the MC IDE.
> - DGH is now more reactive when switching between datagrids or
> applying column or template changes to a datagrid.
> - Icons of the TMPL area objects changes according to the system (Mac
> and Windows / Linux)
> 
> 
> 4. Fix
> - Fix a bug with the visibility of a column in the column editor. An
> invisible column could be set to visible after an update in the TMPL
> area.
> - Fix a bug with the selection of an object in the TMPL area. An
> object was unselected after a drag.
> 
> 
> If you have not already tested DGH, a trial version free for 30 days
> is available here:
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=17:data-grid-helper-plugin&id=12:trial&Itemid=63
> 
> We have also a quick start guide downloadable here:
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=13:data-grid-helper-quick-start-guide&id=12:trial&Itemid=63
> 
> Thanks to William Moseid for the revision of the Quick Start Guide.
> 
> 
> Btw, remember that we have also free materials about datagrids
> downloadable here:
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&id=7:data-grid&Itemid=63
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
> 
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Jan 26 04:25:10 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:25:10 +0000
Subject: Student Observations on Weekly Presentations
In-Reply-To: <4D3F7DB7.6050604@eml.cc>
References: <4D3F2BAA.108@eml.cc>
	<FD6A7861-2D10-4E9B-92CE-EAA89D0C74D8@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4D3F7DB7.6050604@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimyjJQBqn3GSMzQ-NcdhOZwk_-RMMmu9xiWKnp1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Calvin - I know where you're coming from, and as my girlfriend is from
Berlin - I'd say just put this down to cultural misunderstandings - not that
I'm saying Mark is anything like my girlfriend...  hmmm makes me think
Valentines day is coming up - must be a good marketing angle there
somewhere.

Stay tuned.

On 26 January 2011 01:49, Calvin Waterbury <cjw at eml.cc> wrote:

>
> The concept of making a "presentation" just to do a "presentation" is
> absurd.  If I do a USTREAM session and don't show the screen properly, you
> will not be able to follow, especially if I never offer enough commentary.
>  Further, if I use my own custom naming conventions that have no relation or
> context to what I am working on additional confusion is added to the mix.
>  How easy would it be for you to understand if I chose to use animal names
> for different parts of a construct, instead of related verbiage that makes
> sense in the routine's context?  The answer: very difficult at best.  If I
> did use animal names and didn't watch the chat, how would any questions on
> the chat seeking clarity ever be seen?
>

Excellent proposal Carl! Animal names for handlers - has mileage. Seriously
though - I think that you're right - a few more educational events are a
good idea - and I promise to remember to press "record"!


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Jan 26 04:27:29 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:27:29 +0000
Subject: Happy Robbie Burns Night
In-Reply-To: <4D3F76CA.9060702@eml.cc>
References: <53808020437.20110125171353@ahsoftware.net>
	<4D3F76CA.9060702@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin=z78G0yB+gZ+D6-sJMeh8vthKzPDiqQdHa2_H@mail.gmail.com>

On 26 January 2011 01:20, Calvin Waterbury <cjw at eml.cc> wrote:

>
> Also, I am equally lost about "haggis (with neeps and tatties, natch)," but
> I can dig that up myself (I hope?).
>

Calvin - please don't. They are bad enough alive.


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Wed Jan 26 04:57:04 2011
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:57:04 +0100
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
Message-ID: <90E32952-4C0B-417D-B1AB-07831540E900@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Britanny,

Richmond wrote :

> I wonder what "Universe" means.

As Leon Lederman wrote on the cover of his great
book "The God Particle" ..... :

If the universe is the answer - What is the question ?

Kind Regards

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"



From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl  Wed Jan 26 05:48:22 2011
From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:48:22 +0100
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <4A568B4D-0EE4-4BE4-989C-47D749B855CA@mac.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
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	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
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	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
	<8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>
	<7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
	<06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
	<90570741250.20110122231914@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=oWwywbZwu+=m5-ihNehsu7_rxnZwVZatqq8p7@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB21687D-89D6-4DAB-81CD-CAB1475E5EAB@jhj.com> <"655D7
	C24-63FF-434F-81A0-98C01C4D86C5"@mac.com>
	<ECE1EB9C-DDE0-48AC-8FCF-A076705F49D1@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTikMW96Oqim-Ev5RsN1mvCTNH8ERE9WAExs6oh4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E8C596B-4378-44B6-9DE4-69A2AC924C77@jhj.com>
	<69D174AB-D4F7-4499-8272-56D04988E572@mac.com>
	<4A568B4D-0EE4-4BE4-989C-47D749B855CA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <798CC7B6-218C-4EB1-8581-13EF164FAE8C@fiberworld.nl>

Hi all,

Opening and closing the port after each read has a critical drawback. Each time you open the port, at least on mac, 
the arduino will reset itself, this means it will bootup. This not only takes time but all other data will be lost.
This of course creates a big problem, or makes it completly impossible to use for most applications, 
certainly for what I am trying to do.

I am further testing this and here are some "interesting" observation when using the arduino with OS 10.5

setUp:
The arduino executes a repeat loop in which it sends a "1" every 300 millisecs out of it's serial port  (9600 baud)

In LC I have a routine which reads from driver "/dev/cu.usbmodem3d11" untill end every 200 milisecs
 and places a cr and this recieved data after my "recievedData" field. This means each read will be on it's own line.

When I open the port in LC I seem to recieve nothing. First I have to send a char to the arduino and then I recieve the "1"'s
the arduino sends.  
Question: why would it be neccesary to first send something in order to be able to recieve?

Once I send a char to the arduino I start to see my recieved data starting with a bunch of "1"'s 
on one line and then it fills up with just one "1" on each line.
This means the first read empty's the buffer which had been accumulating till I send out a char, to be able to recieve.
The driver was already recieving and putting the data in the buffer but LC somehow was not able to read the driver untill at least one char was send out.

As long as the arduino is sending a char at a time, once started recieveing, LC keeps on recieving without a problem. The moment I drag my stack around and let go I see a couple of "1" on one line again. 
My send in time routine which does the reading apperently didn't get called during the dragging 
so the data accumulated again in the buffer and was later read in one go. 
The longer I drag the stack around the more "1" I will see on the same line. 
Ok so the buffer can accumulate data and subsequently LC can read the whole bunch in one read call.
I can let the buffer fillup quite substantialy by waiting to send a char after opening the driver or 
by draging the stack around for quite a while. (At least 20 char's can accumulate in the buffer, no problem) 

The moment I let the arduino send out to chars like "12" it first seems to be ok, but after about 3 sec. LC unexpectitly quits.

I have made a copy of the crash report to see if there is some info in it. Perhaps one of the guru's on this list
knows how to interpret this info and give some usefull suggestion. I certainly hope so. 
Arduino and LC seems like a winning ticket to me, which would open up a tremendous amount of possibility's. 

All the best,
   Claudi



The crash report:

Model: MacBook2,1, BootROM MB21.00A5.B07, 2 processors, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.16 GHz, 2 GB
Graphics: kHW_IntelGMA950Item, GMA 950, spdisplays_builtin, spdisplays_integrated_vram
Memory Module: global_name
AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme (0x168C, 0x87), 1.4.16.2
Bluetooth: Version 2.1.9f10, 2 service, 1 devices, 1 incoming serial ports
Network Service: Built-in Ethernet, Ethernet, en0
Serial ATA Device: WDC WD2500BEVS-00UST0, 232,89 GB
Parallel ATA Device: MATSHITADVD-R   UJ-857E
USB Device: Built-in iSight, (null) mA
USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, (null) mA
USB Device: IR Receiver, (null) mA
USB Device: Arduino Uno, (null) mA
USB Device: Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad, (null) mA
USB Device: composite_device, (null) mA

---------------
Process:         Revolution [7510]
Path:            /Users/ccM/ Programming/LiveCode 4.5.2.app/Contents/MacOS/Revolution
Identifier:      com.runrev.livecode
Version:         4.5.2.1150 (4.5.2.1150)
Code Type:       X86 (Native)
Parent Process:  launchd [135]

Interval Since Last Report:          6490879 sec
Crashes Since Last Report:           22
Per-App Interval Since Last Report:  236466 sec
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report:   19

Date/Time:       2011-01-26 11:23:30.273 +0100
OS Version:      Mac OS X 10.5.8 (9L31a)
Report Version:  6
Anonymous UUID:  82304991-EAC9-455C-9B80-3ADCCD1FFE0A

Exception Type:  EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000
Crashed Thread:  0

Thread 0 Crashed:
0   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x91ddde42 __kill + 10
1   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x91e5023a raise + 26
2   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x91e5c622 __abort + 97
3   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x91e5c68a _cproc_fork_child + 0
4   libstdc++.6.dylib             	0x92049005 0x92001000 + 294917
5   libstdc++.6.dylib             	0x9204710c __gxx_personality_v0 + 1108
6   libstdc++.6.dylib             	0x9204714b std::terminate() + 29
7   libstdc++.6.dylib             	0x92047261 __cxa_throw + 101
8   libstdc++.6.dylib             	0x920475d8 operator new(unsigned long) + 100
9   libstdc++.6.dylib             	0x92047689 operator new[](unsigned long) + 17
10  com.runrev.livecode           	0x000a3048 MCExecPoint::getbuffer(unsigned int) + 56
11  com.runrev.livecode           	0x00141134 IO_read_to_eof(IO_header*, MCExecPoint&) + 52
12  com.runrev.livecode           	0x0006d3bb MCRead::exec(MCExecPoint&) + 2555
13  com.runrev.livecode           	0x00103a64 MCHandler::doscript(MCExecPoint&, unsigned short, unsigned short) + 612
14  com.runrev.livecode           	0x00054602 MCDo::exec(MCExecPoint&) + 658
15  com.runrev.livecode           	0x0013cd31 MCIf::exec(MCExecPoint&) + 497
16  com.runrev.livecode           	0x0010414c MCHandler::exec(MCExecPoint&, MCParameter*) + 812
17  com.runrev.livecode           	0x0015776a MCObject::exechandler(MCHandler*, MCParameter*) + 250
18  com.runrev.livecode           	0x00157b53 MCObject::handleself(Handler_type, MCString const&, MCParameter*) + 291
19  com.runrev.livecode           	0x00046097 MCCard::handle(Handler_type, MCString const&, MCParameter*, unsigned char, unsigned char) + 71
20  com.runrev.livecode           	0x00153efb MCObject::message(char const*, MCParameter*, unsigned char, unsigned char, unsigned char) + 779
21  com.runrev.livecode           	0x00156994 MCObject::timer(char const*, MCParameter*) + 132
22  com.runrev.livecode           	0x00203622 MCUIDC::handlepending(double&, double&, unsigned char) + 354
23  com.runrev.livecode           	0x0017a24f MCScreenDC::wait(double, unsigned char, unsigned char) + 399
24  com.runrev.livecode           	0x000e5629 X_main_loop + 137
25  com.runrev.livecode           	0x00140217 main + 583
26  com.runrev.livecode           	0x000028e6 _start + 216
27  com.runrev.livecode           	0x0000280d start + 41

Thread 1:
0   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x91d70266 mach_msg_trap + 10
1   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x91d77a5c mach_msg + 72
2   com.apple.CoreFoundation      	0x91c90e7e CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1790
3   com.apple.CoreFoundation      	0x91c91aa8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88
4   com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     	0x901fe5f8 HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*) + 160
5   com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     	0x901fe480 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96
6   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x91da1155 _pthread_start + 321
7   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x91da1012 thread_start + 34

Thread 2:
0   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x91dbf6fa select$DARWIN_EXTSN + 10
1   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x91da1155 _pthread_start + 321
2   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x91da1012 thread_start + 34

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
  eax: 0x00000000  ebx: 0x91e5c639  ecx: 0xbffff06c  edx: 0x91ddde42
  edi: 0xa01b25b8  esi: 0x9205e128  ebp: 0xbffff088  esp: 0xbffff06c
   ss: 0x0000001f  efl: 0x00200282  eip: 0x91ddde42   cs: 0x00000007
   ds: 0x0000001f   es: 0x0000001f   fs: 0x00000000   gs: 0x00000037
  cr2: 0x0002d000

Binary Images:
    0x1000 -   0x279fe7 +com.runrev.livecode 4.5.2.1150 (4.5.2.1150) <e5b1d2bac64ae63f6fd8a171b9eb821d> /Users/ccM/ Programming/LiveCode 4.5.2.app/Contents/MacOS/Revolution
  0x456000 -   0x457ff3  ATSHI.dylib ??? (???) /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ATS.framework/Versions/A/Resources/ATSHI.dylib
etc.
etc.


On 25 jan 2011, at 15:41, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Playing with Applescript communicating with the Arduino Uno I noticed an issue that might be related to the LiveCode problem of hanging during a connection. In the Applescript that works I close the port first and then return the result as in:
> 
> 	set tSerialReturn to serialport read portRef for revRead
> 	set rSerialReturn to tSerialReturn as string
> 	serialport close portRef
> 	return rSerialReturn
> But, if I try to return results in the script before issuing the close port the application again hangs with the spinning beach ball as in:
> 	set tSerialReturn to serialport read portRef for revRead
> 	set rSerialReturn to tSerialReturn as string
> 	return rSerialReturn
> 	serialport close portRef
> I have to unplug the Arduino Uno to get control back. But if I present an Applescript dialog with info read during the script cycle it is fine and does not hang so it must be something in the way the return returns data.
> 
> The thing is I can run the first script over and over again and it works every time (opening and closing the port in a loop) but if I try to do the loop of reading and return the result before closing the port it hangs every time.
> 
> QUESTION: Is it possible that LiveCode is also doing this as well. i.e. Keeping the port open while sending results back causes a hang? This would be difficult to return sensor results if it required multiple open closes for each chunk of data. And between closes and opens would result in lost data from continuos data streams.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:45 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> Well, I got tired of testing and waiting for a solution to LiveCode directly connecting, sending, and receiving serial data to/from the Arduino Uno and found an alternative method instead. In this stack I use an Applescript OSAX and control that from within LivceCode via Applescript. I hacked together a test stack and uploaded it to Rev Online : Applescript Arduino -- Thomas McGrath III. Complete with Sample Arduino IDE Sketches and Applescript Scripts and LiveCode Scripts and with a mini tutorial on how to put it all together.
>> 
>> Although this solution works, it is not optimal since it is a Macintosh only solution and is not the preferred way to do this. It adds a level of complexity where one should not be needed. We still need to be able to connect to a serial port/modem from within LiveCode beyond the old FTDI Virtual Serial Port methods.
>> 
>> Download and Enjoy,
>> 
>> 
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Jan 26 05:48:39 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:48:39 +0100
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <90E32952-4C0B-417D-B1AB-07831540E900@wanadoo.fr>
References: <90E32952-4C0B-417D-B1AB-07831540E900@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <1094AD94-E6E5-4D43-9FBF-F54EE04E68BD@economy-x-talk.com>

42

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/ce

On 26 jan 2011, at 10:57, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> Hi from Beautiful Britanny,
> 
> As Leon Lederman wrote on the cover of his great
> book "The God Particle" ..... :
> 
> If the universe is the answer - What is the question ?
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> -Francis
> 
> "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"




From ray at linkit.com  Wed Jan 26 07:39:22 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:39:22 -0500
Subject: RevBrowserPrint Problems
In-Reply-To: <575856.48215.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <005901cbbcef$efcc4b60$cf64e220$@LinkIt.Com>
	<575856.48215.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001b01cbbd56$0fee1750$2fca45f0$@LinkIt.Com>

Ahh!  Makes perfect sense.  Now I wonder why I was expecting anything more
in the first place.  Thanks for this explanation, Jan.  I guess this would
be an area for LiveCode to improve but I'm not sure how this would be done
since printing via revBrowser seems out of LiveCodes' hands.  The only
solution I can imagine (which I haven't tried yet) would be to toy with
printing snapshots, but I'm sure this would produce pretty poor quality of
text on the print out.  I'll more than likely just have to design an
interface which work around this somehow.

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Softwae

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jan Schenkel
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:22 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: RevBrowserPrint Problems

--- On Tue, 1/25/11, Ray Horsley <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> I'm printing a stack of 10 cards.? Cards 2, 4 and 6 display a URL via 
> the revBrowser commands while the others do not.? The following script 
> does not work since each time the revBrowserPrint command is called 
> the script continues to execute without waiting for the user to 
> dismiss the print dialog which revBrowser produces (and it's seems 
> there's no way to suppress the dialog).
> 
> on printStack
> ???repeat with C=1 to number of cards
> ? ? ? go cd C
> ? ? ? put the BrowserId of this cd into myId
> ? ? ? if myId is a number then
> ? ? ? ???revBrowserPrint
> myId
> ? ? ? else print this cd
> ???end repeat
> end printStack
> 
> Wrapping the same kind of a script in 'open printing' and 'close 
> printing'
> also fails since revBroswerPrint seems to be oblivious to 'open 
> printing'.
> I've tried inserting an answer command to confirm printing each card.? 
> This seems to work but then even this gets ahead of the 
> revBrowserPrint as the answer dialog window starts coming up on top of 
> a previously displayed print dialog produced by revBrowserPrint which 
> the user hasn't dismissed yet (and need to dismiss first or printing 
> gets out of order).
> 
> Anybody with any ideas on how to work around this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
> 

Sorry to disappoint you, Ray, but revBrowserPrint is completely separate
from LiveCode's built-in printing mechanism: it merely asks the embedded
browser control (WebKit on MacOSX, InternetExplorer on Windows) to print as
if the user had gone to the regular browser application and clicked the
'Print' button there.
This means none of the LiveCode print properties and commands have any
influence (printPaperOrientation, printRanges, printCopies and printerName
to point out the obviously interesting ones) on how the browser decides to
print - and it won't work "silently" either.

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."
(La Rochefoucauld)



      

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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Jan 26 09:54:07 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:54:07 +0100
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event looking for presenters
Message-ID: <111C0E08-9231-4FB7-9E8D-7DCFAEEC2D0C@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi everyobdy,

The Live LiveCode Code Event is an informal gathering of LiveCode users. The organisers of the Live LiveCode Code Event (mostly Bj?rnke, sometimes me) are looking for people who would like to tell something about their life as a LiveCoder.

If you are working on something, or have finished a programme, or if you know a few nice tricks, or if you just want to vent your thoughts about a LiveCode-related subject, or if you would like to give a tutorial, we welcome you to give a presentation. Everybody is completely free with regard to the contents of their presentation, as long it is related to Revolution/LiveCode.

The Live LiveCode Code Events are held on Saturday between 20:00 and 22:00 CET (19:00-21:00 GMT). Usually, we have two presentations. A presentation may last 45 minutes, but shorter or longer is also alright. We use Ustream to broadcast the presentations and we will help you to set it up.

If you go to http://www.ustream.tv/ and click on Sign Up, you can make an account. At http://www.ustream.tv/producer you can download FREE software that's needed to broadcast your presentation. We use ChatRev to give feedback during the presentation and to chat with each other afterwards. You can download ChatRev at http://bjoernke.com/chatrev .

You can read more about it at http://livecode.tv . If you have any questions about the presentations, about the event itself, or Ustream, or if you consider giving a presentation, please contact me off-list.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/ce




From bvg at mac.com  Wed Jan 26 10:07:52 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:07:52 +0100
Subject: Live LiveCode Coding Event #7
In-Reply-To: <0C904E6D-00B0-4D3E-85A4-B369258B6089@mac.com>
References: <E98C91A1-F57D-47A6-B352-2BCC8906FCCB@mac.com>
	<0C904E6D-00B0-4D3E-85A4-B369258B6089@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3EBEED01-C93A-494A-A8FD-2DE3B3C2BDF0@mac.com>

Whoops forgot to post the wrapup mail...

---

Hello everyone

Event nr. 7 was a blast, tho it had various problems. First Rob fell down a stair and therefore was unavailable due to broken bones, and then David had an evil technical sound problem. He also forgot to record it, but I guess he's glad about that fact in hindsight, as that microphone scratching sound was really terrible...

Me, I had lots of disconnects, because I used the wifi instead of connecting via ethernet cable. So there's 5 recordings (sorry about that):

1: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12178144
2: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12178212
3: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12178323
4: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12178616
5: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12178856

At the end of my presentation, Rick won the Take Control eBook ?Take Control of Mac OS X Backups?. We're able to offer it because of TidBITS and eHug.

http://www.tidbits.com/
http://www.ehug.info/

On 22 Jan 2011, at 19:14, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> Alright, just a quick reminder that we will start in about an hour. 
> 
> Unfortunately, Rob had a major run in with an evil staircase, and therefore had to cancel his presentation. He's already recouping, and promised to do his talk some other weekend. All the best to him.
> 
> 
> 
> On 20 Jan 2011, at 22:44, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> 
>> Hello Guys
>> 
>> We're back, and we brought Topics:
>> 
>> First we got a newcomer. Rob will present "The basics of using MySQL in a LiveCode Application", which is an introduction to SQL in LC.
>> http://blog.livecode.tv/rob/
>> 
>> Bjoernke (me) will show "The multiple futures of BvG Docu, and why some of them never came to be". I will also talk about the current future plans regarding this free add-on to LC.
>> http://blog.livecode.tv/bvg/
>> 
>> After my show there'll be a surprise announcement, which has to do with charts, and of course we'll give away something again. This time, one luck winner gets the Take Control eBook (courtesy of TidBITS): "Take Control of Mac OS X Backups". So please visit their site: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/
>> 
>> FInally, David will take up his topic from last week, where he got slightly distracted by showing automatic menu creation via script parsing. He wants to show more in a similar vein, especially: "Drag and Drop Style sheets for LiveCode controls"
>> http://blog.livecode.tv/david/
>> 
>> The show is on Saturday at these times:
>> Zurich: 20:00
>> Buenos Aires: 16:00
>> New York:  14:00 
>> San Francisco: 11:00
>> Sydney: 06:00
>> 
>> Make sure to use ChatRev during the happening, otherwise you might miss when you'll need to change to the other streams:
>> http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
>> or:
>> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"
>> 
>> If you want to get private, regular notification of this event, please subscribe to the rss feed of the blog (about 2 updates per week):
>> feed://livecode.tv/feed/
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Bjoernke
>> 
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Jan 26 10:33:08 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:33:08 EST
Subject: LC Forums Down?
Message-ID: <389ec.6aeba3d3.3a7198b4@aol.com>

Is it just me? I get an error saying there are too many connections.

Maybe this is a good thing.

Craig Newman


From bvg at mac.com  Wed Jan 26 10:37:13 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:37:13 +0100
Subject: LC Forums Down?
In-Reply-To: <389ec.6aeba3d3.3a7198b4@aol.com>
References: <389ec.6aeba3d3.3a7198b4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8BC1BA8D-B321-4139-A2EE-BF70DDB8EF89@mac.com>

Yes

I've informed Heather, and they're already looking into what the problem could be (not a good thing i persume).

On 26 Jan 2011, at 16:33, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:

> Is it just me? I get an error saying there are too many connections.
> 
> Maybe this is a good thing.
> 
> Craig Newman
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Jan 26 10:38:01 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:38:01 EST
Subject: Chopping Up A Paragraph into chunks
Message-ID: <38f0d.2516ee0a.3a7199d9@aol.com>

Of course. Another example of engaging fingers before brain.

And there is that pressure to be the first to respond. I think there should 
be a LC support group for that condition.

Craig

In a message dated 1/26/11 12:04:57 AM, jacque at hyperactivesw.com writes:


> Except that wordOffset looks for a string match, and we're looking for a
> number of words instead. Your actual example works.
> 


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Jan 26 10:38:18 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:38:18 +0100
Subject: LC Forums Down?
In-Reply-To: <389ec.6aeba3d3.3a7198b4@aol.com>
References: <389ec.6aeba3d3.3a7198b4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8046F919-08CB-49AC-B75F-37224A4F9D13@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Craig,

I guess it is time for RunRev to update their software :-)

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/ce

On 26 jan 2011, at 16:33, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Is it just me? I get an error saying there are too many connections.
> 
> Maybe this is a good thing.
> 
> Craig Newman





From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Jan 26 10:49:38 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:49:38 +0100
Subject: LC Forums Down?
In-Reply-To: <8046F919-08CB-49AC-B75F-37224A4F9D13@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <389ec.6aeba3d3.3a7198b4@aol.com>
	<8046F919-08CB-49AC-B75F-37224A4F9D13@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <D63C471E-6ED7-48C0-A380-0913F845605F@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all,

Am 26.01.2011 um 16:38 schrieb Mark Schonewille:

> Hi Craig,
> 
> I guess it is time for RunRev to update their software :-)

YO! 

Fingers crossed! :-)

> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 26 11:34:01 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:34:01 -0800
Subject: Answer file with type BMPf?
In-Reply-To: <DB09F967-4C64-4BD7-B6F9-0558B7307FA1@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikUeqsmRqVA_ONg8xpxOC4snrayoe_7BO-EB9Uk@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D3FADAD.8030300@hyperactivesw.com>
	<DB09F967-4C64-4BD7-B6F9-0558B7307FA1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1EBDB2C6-EAD1-4454-BC2D-5582DAF8ACB5@twft.com>

Get info on the file and see what it's name is.

Bob


On Jan 25, 2011, at 10:41 PM, William de Smet wrote:

> Hi Jacqueline,
> 
> I forget to mention that this works for all images except for .bmp files. I'm on OSX 10.6 and the file is shown in Finder. Is this related to OSX?
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> William
> 
> -----
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone!
> 
> Op 26 jan. 2011 om 06:14 heeft "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> On 1/25/11 12:19 PM, William de Smet wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>> 
>>> Why doesn't this work for BMP files?
>>> answer file "Kies een foto:" with type "All
>>> Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|JPEG,GIFf,PNGf,BMPf"
>>> 
>>> on mouseup
>>>    answer file "Choose:" with type "All
>>> Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|JPEG,GIFf,PNGf,BMPf"
>>>               if it = empty
>>>               then
>>>                  put empty into img "x1"
>>>                    exit mouseUp
>>>               end if
>>>               put url ("binfile:"&  it) into img "x1"
>>> end mouseup
>> 
>> It looks like it should work. What goes wrong?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 26 11:40:34 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:40:34 -0800
Subject: LC Forums Down?
Message-ID: <4D404E82.2030903@fourthworld.com>

They're up now.

--
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  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Jan 26 11:57:57 2011
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:57:57 +0100
Subject: AW: How to narrow SQL search with multiple criterias?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimrqu29t+K2W0+NESWhfqUoaN5m+5O3uLfJ0VTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <007201cbbc90$dd4329f0$97c97dd0$@de>
	<AANLkTimrqu29t+K2W0+NESWhfqUoaN5m+5O3uLfJ0VTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ab01cbbd7a$34103bd0$9c30b370$@de>

Hi William,
That's what I thought, to cycle through the SQL result data with LC, but was
unsure how performing it is. I have let's say 20000 records and have to
check multiple properties with multiple values. Will the result of my cycle
still be so fast, that the user doesn't has to wait for it, because it
should just be a nice usability feature to disable the remaining selections
and is not necessary for life. I was unsure, if cycling through the result
with LC would be state of the art to realize such feature.
Probably I have to code it and make real performance test with and without
this feature. Perhaps the SQL Select is so much more time consuming, that my
LC cycle isn't relevant anyway.
Thanks
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von william humphrey
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Januar 2011 17:55
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: How to narrow SQL search with multiple criterias?
> 
> Sometimes, SQL failure that I am, I just dump it all in a variable and
> look
> through it using LiveCode. It depends how big although LiveCode is
> pretty
> quick.
> 




From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Jan 26 12:20:25 2011
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:20:25 +0100
Subject: LC-list vs. LC-forum
Message-ID: <00ac01cbbd7d$580deb60$0829c220$@de>

Hi members,

though I am using LC for some time now, I never have used the LC forums,
perhaps because the first I found was this list and it gave me all I needed
- THANKS to all!

What I am asking is, what is the "right to live" for both parallel? Is there
a different use for both? Different people? Different topics? Isn't it too
much effort for you all to read, check and answer permanently both, the list
and the forums? For me it is too time consuming to read both every day.
Which one is most valuable?

Would like to hear your point of view.

Tiemo

 

 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 26 12:24:17 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:24:17 -0600
Subject: Answer file with type BMPf?
In-Reply-To: <DB09F967-4C64-4BD7-B6F9-0558B7307FA1@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikUeqsmRqVA_ONg8xpxOC4snrayoe_7BO-EB9Uk@mail.gmail.com>	<4D3FADAD.8030300@hyperactivesw.com>
	<DB09F967-4C64-4BD7-B6F9-0558B7307FA1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D4058C1.4000703@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/26/11 12:41 AM, William de Smet wrote:
> Hi Jacqueline,
>
> I forget to mention that this works for all images except for .bmp
> files. I'm on OSX 10.6 and the file is shown in Finder. Is this
> related to OSX?

I just tried it and it works for me, so I'm not sure what the problem 
could be. But it seems specific to your machine. What is in the "it" 
variable after you choose a .bmp file?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 26 12:27:26 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:27:26 -0800
Subject: LC-list vs. LC-forum
Message-ID: <4D40597E.3000609@fourthworld.com>

Tiemo Hollmann wrote:
> What I am asking is, what is the "right to live" for both parallel? Is there
> a different use for both? Different people? Different topics? Isn't it too
> much effort for you all to read, check and answer permanently both, the list
> and the forums? For me it is too time consuming to read both every day.
> Which one is most valuable?

For the most part, there are so many subscribers here who also frequent 
the forums that it's mostly a matter of personal preference, push vs. pull.

This list predates the forums by several years, so I find a slightly 
higher ratio of professional devs here, but the difference is really 
very slight.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 26 12:28:47 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:28:47 -0800
Subject: LC-list vs. LC-forum
In-Reply-To: <00ac01cbbd7d$580deb60$0829c220$@de>
References: <00ac01cbbd7d$580deb60$0829c220$@de>
Message-ID: <54F9D326-E165-40E5-84B5-F4ADDCACA33B@twft.com>

I think it's either or, if you are talking about the Nabble site. If you post to the list, it shows up in the forums and vis versa. But I might be wrong. Just this once...

BTW I am still getting emails in my in box addressed to use-revolution@<blah.doh> as opposed to use-livecode@<blah.doh> because the Nabble settings were not changed. Who is administering Nabble anyway? Any of us? If this has been fixed already please disregard. 

Bob


On Jan 26, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hi members,
> 
> though I am using LC for some time now, I never have used the LC forums,
> perhaps because the first I found was this list and it gave me all I needed
> - THANKS to all!
> 
> What I am asking is, what is the "right to live" for both parallel? Is there
> a different use for both? Different people? Different topics? Isn't it too
> much effort for you all to read, check and answer permanently both, the list
> and the forums? For me it is too time consuming to read both every day.
> Which one is most valuable?
> 
> Would like to hear your point of view.
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Jan 26 12:29:36 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:29:36 EST
Subject: LC-list vs. LC-forum
Message-ID: <407fe.26ac4f6.3a71b400@aol.com>

They are both the most valuable.

Perhaps more time and thoughtfulness is spent in the forums; stack examples 
can be uploaded, and it is easier to send (and read) code snippets. The 
thread structure in the forums is more transparent and readable.

But they do basically the same thing, that is, cause passionate and very 
well meaning people to scramble to help out in any way they can.


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Jan 26 12:31:01 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:31:01 -0800
Subject: Access to Device Music Library
Message-ID: <C9659A55.50930%scott@tactilemedia.com>

While feature requests are flying fast and furious for iOS, I wanted to
suggest support for accessing the device's music library, just as one can
access the device's photo library.

  http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=9339

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Wed Jan 26 12:34:36 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:34:36 -0800
Subject: AW: How to narrow SQL search with multiple criterias?
In-Reply-To: <00ab01cbbd7a$34103bd0$9c30b370$@de>
References: <007201cbbc90$dd4329f0$97c97dd0$@de>
	<AANLkTimrqu29t+K2W0+NESWhfqUoaN5m+5O3uLfJ0VTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ab01cbbd7a$34103bd0$9c30b370$@de>
Message-ID: <11708766-CD5C-4218-849F-C4158509F790@mollysrevenge.com>

I think the problem with using LC to narrow down the results of an SQL SELECT is that the database may have changed since doing the initial SELECT so what you end up with may not reflect the current state of the database.  I guess that may not matter to your application, or maybe you've locked the database so it can't change but definitely a consideration.

I've been doing this by saving the contents of the WHERE Clause for the SELECT in a variable then appending the additional selection criteria to it and issuing a new SELECT statement with the revised WHERE clause.

Don't have an opinion on the efficiency aspects of LC vs SQL, I suspect it depends on a lot of factors.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hi William,
> That's what I thought, to cycle through the SQL result data with LC, but was
> unsure how performing it is. I have let's say 20000 records and have to
> check multiple properties with multiple values. Will the result of my cycle
> still be so fast, that the user doesn't has to wait for it, because it
> should just be a nice usability feature to disable the remaining selections
> and is not necessary for life. I was unsure, if cycling through the result
> with LC would be state of the art to realize such feature.
> Probably I have to code it and make real performance test with and without
> this feature. Perhaps the SQL Select is so much more time consuming, that my
> LC cycle isn't relevant anyway.
> Thanks
> Tiemo
> 
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von william humphrey
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Januar 2011 17:55
>> An: How to use LiveCode
>> Betreff: Re: How to narrow SQL search with multiple criterias?
>> 
>> Sometimes, SQL failure that I am, I just dump it all in a variable and
>> look
>> through it using LiveCode. It depends how big although LiveCode is
>> pretty
>> quick.
>> 
> 
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 26 13:04:18 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:04:18 -0800
Subject: AW: How to narrow SQL search with multiple criterias?
In-Reply-To: <11708766-CD5C-4218-849F-C4158509F790@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <007201cbbc90$dd4329f0$97c97dd0$@de>
	<AANLkTimrqu29t+K2W0+NESWhfqUoaN5m+5O3uLfJ0VTw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <939126DC-1D05-4C45-B0A4-178CD4264DBD@twft.com>

Also remember that Trevor's sqlYoga has the ability to create query objects, and then update those objects and re-run the query. The API builds the SQL for you, so it's very easy to do recursive queries. 

As an aside, there is a way in mySQL (and others I am sure) to output the query as a new temporary table, assuming you have CREATE TABLE rights to the database. This can be a better way to handle large datasets. 

For instance, let's say you want the detail for every invoice in the prior year sorted by item code, and subtotalled for each item and totaled at the end. If the business is a very busy and profitable one, that could be a helluvalotta data! (Assume you are CDW for a moment). You would never want to return that much data to a memory variable! 

By having the engine output to a temp table you can then run the report on that, and never have to worry about overwhelming Rev. 

Bob


On Jan 26, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> I think the problem with using LC to narrow down the results of an SQL SELECT is that the database may have changed since doing the initial SELECT so what you end up with may not reflect the current state of the database.  I guess that may not matter to your application, or maybe you've locked the database so it can't change but definitely a consideration.
> 
> I've been doing this by saving the contents of the WHERE Clause for the SELECT in a variable then appending the additional selection criteria to it and issuing a new SELECT statement with the revised WHERE clause.
> 
> Don't have an opinion on the efficiency aspects of LC vs SQL, I suspect it depends on a lot of factors.
> 
> Pete Haworth
> 
> On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
>> Hi William,
>> That's what I thought, to cycle through the SQL result data with LC, but was
>> unsure how performing it is. I have let's say 20000 records and have to
>> check multiple properties with multiple values. Will the result of my cycle
>> still be so fast, that the user doesn't has to wait for it, because it
>> should just be a nice usability feature to disable the remaining selections
>> and is not necessary for life. I was unsure, if cycling through the result
>> with LC would be state of the art to realize such feature.
>> Probably I have to code it and make real performance test with and without
>> this feature. Perhaps the SQL Select is so much more time consuming, that my
>> LC cycle isn't relevant anyway.
>> Thanks
>> Tiemo
>> 
>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-
>>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von william humphrey
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Januar 2011 17:55
>>> An: How to use LiveCode
>>> Betreff: Re: How to narrow SQL search with multiple criterias?
>>> 
>>> Sometimes, SQL failure that I am, I just dump it all in a variable and
>>> look
>>> through it using LiveCode. It depends how big although LiveCode is
>>> pretty
>>> quick.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From cjw at eml.cc  Wed Jan 26 13:21:55 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:21:55 +0000
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
Message-ID: <1316828746-1296066125-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1651873081-@bda876.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I have always understood...

UNIVERSE as...

UNI = ONE as in the sense of a single entity, but also in the sense of "whole," " integral" and "complete."

VERSE = POEM or SONG.

So, literally... 

UNIVERSE = ONE SONG

Given the late, Carl Sagan... 
...spoke of everything from galaxies to dandelions as being made of "star stuff"
...everything and every being as part of a great cosmic conciousness 
...used musical metaphors numerous times to communicate his sense of wonder and awe of the universe in his "COSMOS" series. 

... It looks like I'm in good company.   :)

As far as the "If the universe is the answer, then what is the question?" issue is concerned... maybe we could get Alex Trebek to help us with this one?  ;)

Ciao!
Calvin

------Original Message------
From: Francis Nugent Dixon
Sender: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
ReplyTo: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: [ANN] TimeMachine
Sent: Jan 26, 2011 3:57 AM

Hi from Beautiful Britanny,

Richmond wrote :

> I wonder what "Universe" means.

As Leon Lederman wrote on the cover of his great
book "The God Particle" ..... :

If the universe is the answer - What is the question ?

Kind Regards

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jan 26 13:24:00 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:24:00 -0800
Subject: LC-list vs. LC-forum
In-Reply-To: <407fe.26ac4f6.3a71b400@aol.com>
References: <407fe.26ac4f6.3a71b400@aol.com>
Message-ID: <75869827750.20110126102400@ahsoftware.net>

Craig-

Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 9:29:36 AM, you wrote:

> They are both the most valuable.

> Perhaps more time and thoughtfulness is spent in the forums; stack examples
> can be uploaded, and it is easier to send (and read) code snippets. The
> thread structure in the forums is more transparent and readable.

> But they do basically the same thing, that is, cause passionate and very
> well meaning people to scramble to help out in any way they can.

Aw... I was gonna post one of my usual snippy frivolous responses and
then you came up with this. I yield my time to the poster from aol.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 14:35:50 2011
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:35:50 -0700
Subject: iOS:  what's the best place to store media files
Message-ID: <B8213429-D5BE-4B06-9C54-3F115D02EB3D@gmail.com>

What is the best place to store files like audio and images alongside an iOS app? I am working on a simple proof of concept app that needs to play several audio files back to back. I don't necessarily want these audio files to be backed up through iTunes, as the finished app may eventually contain hundreds of audio files (most likely in the form of downloadable packs of some kind), but they do need to be persistent between app launches.

From my understanding, it looks like the app's cache folder is the best place, but I just thought I'd ask to make sure. And if that's the case, what is the best way to test this in the simulator? Do I need to copy all the audio files into the simulated app's folder at /Users/[user]/Library/Application Support/iPhone Simulator?

Thanks,
Chris

--
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally, Inc.
www.readnaturally.com




From kee at kagi.com  Wed Jan 26 15:02:50 2011
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:02:50 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <798CC7B6-218C-4EB1-8581-13EF164FAE8C@fiberworld.nl>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
	<8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>
	<7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
	<06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
	<90570741250.20110122231914@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=oWwywbZwu+=m5-ihNehsu7_rxnZwVZatqq8p7@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB21687D-89D6-4DAB-81CD-CAB1475E5EAB@jhj.com> <"655!
	D7 C24-63FF-434F-81A0-98C01C4D86C5"@mac.com>
	<ECE1EB9C-DDE0-48AC-8FCF-A076705F49D1@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTikMW96Oqim-Ev5RsN1mvCTNH8ERE9WAExs6oh4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E8C596B-4378-44B6-9DE4-69A2AC924C77@jhj.com>
	<69D174AB-D4F7-4499-8272-56D04988E572@mac.com>
	<4A568B4D-0EE4-4BE4-989C-47D749B855CA@mac.com>
	<798CC7B6-218C-4EB1-8581-13EF164FAE8C@fiberworld.nl>
Message-ID: <6F45E3D5-F4BA-476D-BB47-B0029AE8C84A@kagi.com>

I'd be happy to donate an Arduino to the LC bug team if they need one to fix this.
Kee Nethery





From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Jan 26 15:21:30 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:21:30 +0100
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event looking for presenters
In-Reply-To: <111C0E08-9231-4FB7-9E8D-7DCFAEEC2D0C@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <111C0E08-9231-4FB7-9E8D-7DCFAEEC2D0C@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <15DE64D1-56BE-4D61-89D3-7CB024C64049@economy-x-talk.com>

Anyone wanting to share his or her thoughts with the LiveCode community this Saturday?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/ce

On 26 jan 2011, at 15:54, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi everyobdy,
> 
> The Live LiveCode Code Event is an informal gathering of LiveCode users. The organisers of the Live LiveCode Code Event (mostly Bj?rnke, sometimes me) are looking for people who would like to tell something about their life as a LiveCoder.
> 
> If you are working on something, or have finished a programme, or if you know a few nice tricks, or if you just want to vent your thoughts about a LiveCode-related subject, or if you would like to give a tutorial, we welcome you to give a presentation. Everybody is completely free with regard to the contents of their presentation, as long it is related to Revolution/LiveCode.
> 
> The Live LiveCode Code Events are held on Saturday between 20:00 and 22:00 CET (19:00-21:00 GMT). Usually, we have two presentations. A presentation may last 45 minutes, but shorter or longer is also alright. We use Ustream to broadcast the presentations and we will help you to set it up.
> 
> If you go to http://www.ustream.tv/ and click on Sign Up, you can make an account. At http://www.ustream.tv/producer you can download FREE software that's needed to broadcast your presentation. We use ChatRev to give feedback during the presentation and to chat with each other afterwards. You can download ChatRev at http://bjoernke.com/chatrev .
> 
> You can read more about it at http://livecode.tv . If you have any questions about the presentations, about the event itself, or Ustream, or if you consider giving a presentation, please contact me off-list.




From cjw at eml.cc  Wed Jan 26 15:33:58 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:33:58 -0600
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event looking for presenters
In-Reply-To: <15DE64D1-56BE-4D61-89D3-7CB024C64049@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <111C0E08-9231-4FB7-9E8D-7DCFAEEC2D0C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<15DE64D1-56BE-4D61-89D3-7CB024C64049@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4D408536.7050209@eml.cc>

Howdy from Texas, Y'all!

I would like to do my part in good time, but I am still learning; 
however, if somebody out there does work on Macs and Microsoft, I would 
really like to see an unbiased, or at least a fair comparison between 
strengths/weaknesses of these two titans of the personal O/S.  Sort of 
down the lines of, "Macs really are much better at stringing foobars, 
but Windows wins out when it comes to gizwort constructs" and "Did you 
know Windows can do this...,but on a Mac you have to use this work around."

I have been a Microsoft user since DOS (1984), but have been quite 
intrigued by what I have garnered from the Mac discussions on the mail list.

Any takers?

Calvin

PS - I realize Lnx is out there too!  :)

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Mark Schonewille <mailto:m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
> Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:21 PM
>
>
> Anyone wanting to share his or her thoughts with the LiveCode 
> community this Saturday?
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here 
> http://qery.us/ce
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Mark Schonewille <mailto:m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
> Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:54 AM
>
>
> Hi everyobdy,
>
> The Live LiveCode Code Event is an informal gathering of LiveCode 
> users. The organisers of the Live LiveCode Code Event (mostly Bj?rnke, 
> sometimes me) are looking for people who would like to tell something 
> about their life as a LiveCoder.
>
> If you are working on something, or have finished a programme, or if 
> you know a few nice tricks, or if you just want to vent your thoughts 
> about a LiveCode-related subject, or if you would like to give a 
> tutorial, we welcome you to give a presentation. Everybody is 
> completely free with regard to the contents of their presentation, as 
> long it is related to Revolution/LiveCode.
>
> The Live LiveCode Code Events are held on Saturday between 20:00 and 
> 22:00 CET (19:00-21:00 GMT). Usually, we have two presentations. A 
> presentation may last 45 minutes, but shorter or longer is also 
> alright. We use Ustream to broadcast the presentations and we will 
> help you to set it up.
>
> If you go to http://www.ustream.tv/ and click on Sign Up, you can make 
> an account. At http://www.ustream.tv/producer you can download FREE 
> software that's needed to broadcast your presentation. We use ChatRev 
> to give feedback during the presentation and to chat with each other 
> afterwards. You can download ChatRev at http://bjoernke.com/chatrev .
>
> You can read more about it at http://livecode.tv . If you have any 
> questions about the presentations, about the event itself, or Ustream, 
> or if you consider giving a presentation, please contact me off-list.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here 
> http://qery.us/ce
>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 15:42:27 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:42:27 +0200
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event looking for presenters
In-Reply-To: <4D408536.7050209@eml.cc>
References: <111C0E08-9231-4FB7-9E8D-7DCFAEEC2D0C@economy-x-talk.com>	<15DE64D1-56BE-4D61-89D3-7CB024C64049@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4D408536.7050209@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <4D408733.3020407@gmail.com>

On 01/26/2011 10:33 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:
> Howdy from Texas, Y'all!
>
> I would like to do my part in good time, but I am still learning; 
> however, if somebody out there does work on Macs and Microsoft, I 
> would really like to see an unbiased, or at least a fair comparison 
> between strengths/weaknesses of these two titans of the personal O/S.  
> Sort of down the lines of, "Macs really are much better at stringing 
> foobars, but Windows wins out when it comes to gizwort constructs" and 
> "Did you know Windows can do this...,but on a Mac you have to use this 
> work around."
>
> I have been a Microsoft user since DOS (1984), but have been quite 
> intrigued by what I have garnered from the Mac discussions on the mail 
> list.
>
> Any takers?
>
> Calvin
>
> PS - I realize Lnx is out there too!  :)

First off: it seems well-nigh impossible to get a balanced comparison 
from anyone.

Second off: Linux is not "out there" like some wild coyote lurking on 
the fringes; it
               is already mainstream.


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Jan 26 15:45:39 2011
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:45:39 -0600
Subject: Answer file with type BMPf?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikUeqsmRqVA_ONg8xpxOC4snrayoe_7BO-EB9Uk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C965E413.81FC8%kray@sonsothunder.com>


> Why doesn't this work for BMP files?
> answer file "Kies een foto:" with type "All
> Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|JPEG,GIFf,PNGf,BMPf"

The reason might be because the .bmp file may not have been assigned a type
code. If you *only* want to get .bmp files with a type code of "BMPf" then
this should work. But if you want to get .bmp files, *regardless* of the
type code, do not provide the type code in the 'answer file' call (the
following just goes by extension and ignores type):

answer file "Kies een foto:" with type "All Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|"

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/





From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Wed Jan 26 16:31:14 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:31:14 -0500
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <1094AD94-E6E5-4D43-9FBF-F54EE04E68BD@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <90E32952-4C0B-417D-B1AB-07831540E900@wanadoo.fr>
	<1094AD94-E6E5-4D43-9FBF-F54EE04E68BD@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <B32D61C8-4273-4B62-A34F-AC428E52712A@mac.com>

42 Definitely. That is the real question.

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 26, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> 42
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/ce
> 
> On 26 jan 2011, at 10:57, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> 
>> Hi from Beautiful Britanny,
>> 
>> As Leon Lederman wrote on the cover of his great
>> book "The God Particle" ..... :
>> 
>> If the universe is the answer - What is the question ?
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> -Francis
>> 
>> "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"
> 
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 16:44:16 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:44:16 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Data Grid Helper clones your DataGrids and supports the MC
	IDE
In-Reply-To: <803B327B-3C68-4ABD-8B8E-AEEE6D6FF99C@wanadoo.fr>
References: <AANLkTi=cjQV82nAW3FpO-dexKekwLWQUcb8O-+egn7ow@mail.gmail.com>
	<803B327B-3C68-4ABD-8B8E-AEEE6D6FF99C@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikbnVE4_PbSXOujWsTR8e2NF_yAXwVWNAJt5P7p@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Andr? Bisseret
<andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Bonjour TheSlug,
>
> Thanks a lot again for your beautiful and very useful DGH.
> Data grids is a superb complement to livecode thanks to Trevor deVore.
> But "a bit" more complex than any others objects ;-) )
> The properties palette allows to set only a part of the properties and before DGH, I often had to script (via the message box).
> Now it's rarely the case; and even for properties that are settable in the properties palette, I prefer the DGH' categorization: seems to me quite faster!
>
> And of course, I love the "Install scripts" part of the DGH: fantastic ;-) it avoids long searches in the data grid" doc!
>
> Magnifique !

Bonjour Andr?,

You're welcome 8-)


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Wed Jan 26 16:46:22 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:46:22 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <6F45E3D5-F4BA-476D-BB47-B0029AE8C84A@kagi.com>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
	<8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>
	<7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
	<06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
	<90570741250.20110122231914@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=oWwywbZwu+=m5-ihNehsu7_rxnZwVZatqq8p7@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB21687D-89D6-4DAB-81CD-CAB1475E5EAB@jhj.com>
	<"655!	D7 C24-63FF-434F-81A0-98C01C4D86C5"@mac.com>
	<ECE1EB9C-DDE0-48AC-8FCF-A076705F49D1@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTikMW96Oqim-Ev5RsN1mvCTNH8ERE9WAExs6oh4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E8C596B-4378-44B6-9DE4-69A2AC924C77@jhj.com>
	<69D174AB-D4F7-4499-8272-56D04988E572@mac.com>
	<4A568B4D-0EE4-4BE4-989C-47D749B855CA@mac.com>
	<798CC7B6-218C-4EB1-8581-13EF164FAE8C@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F45E3D5-F4BA-476D-BB47-B0029AE8C84A@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <D80F2E1D-1246-42F5-802D-6DF4A4F15B11@mac.com>

Ok, so Heather said that this would not be possible as a quick fix type support ticket but that the team was looking into it and that I should open a bug report so here it is:

Report 9341 has been added to the database  http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=9341

@Claudi - please add your crash report to this.

Let's see what comes out of this.


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 26, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Kee Nethery wrote:

> I'd be happy to donate an Arduino to the LC bug team if they need one to fix this.
> Kee Nethery
> 
> 
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From cjw at eml.cc  Wed Jan 26 16:47:26 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:47:26 -0600
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <B32D61C8-4273-4B62-A34F-AC428E52712A@mac.com>
References: <90E32952-4C0B-417D-B1AB-07831540E900@wanadoo.fr>	<1094AD94-E6E5-4D43-9FBF-F54EE04E68BD@economy-x-talk.com>
	<B32D61C8-4273-4B62-A34F-AC428E52712A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4D40966E.7040003@eml.cc>

Ahem...  "42" was the *answer* not the question.

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Thomas McGrath III <mailto:mcgrath3 at mac.com>
> Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:31 PM
>
>
> 42 Definitely. That is the real question.
>
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
>
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> 	Mark Schonewille <mailto:m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
> Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:48 AM
>
>
> 42
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
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> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Jan 26 17:22:25 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:22:25 -0800
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <4D40966E.7040003@eml.cc>
References: <90E32952-4C0B-417D-B1AB-07831540E900@wanadoo.fr>	<1094AD94-E6E5-4D43-9FBF-F54EE04E68BD@economy-x-talk.com>
	<B32D61C8-4273-4B62-A34F-AC428E52712A@mac.com>
	<4D40966E.7040003@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <95F3C093-7FBC-49B5-AF4F-09C8E7701093@twft.com>

I liked the movie better than the book. The movie had a nice love story and all ended well. The book dropped you off in a decidedly unfriendly section of the slums of Norganza on planet FriedZig without any explanation. Or did I dream that?

Bob


On Jan 26, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> Ahem...  "42" was the *answer* not the question.
> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 	Thomas McGrath III <mailto:mcgrath3 at mac.com>
>> Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:31 PM
>> 
>> 
>> 42 Definitely. That is the real question.
>> 
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 	Mark Schonewille <mailto:m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
>> Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:48 AM
>> 
>> 
>> 42
>> 
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Mark Schonewille
>> 
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>> KvK: 50277553
>> 
>> New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/ce
>> 
>> 
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From cjw at eml.cc  Wed Jan 26 17:27:12 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:27:12 -0600
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <95F3C093-7FBC-49B5-AF4F-09C8E7701093@twft.com>
References: <90E32952-4C0B-417D-B1AB-07831540E900@wanadoo.fr>	<1094AD94-E6E5-4D43-9FBF-F54EE04E68BD@economy-x-talk.com>	<B32D61C8-4273-4B62-A34F-AC428E52712A@mac.com>	<4D40966E.7040003@eml.cc>
	<95F3C093-7FBC-49B5-AF4F-09C8E7701093@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D409FC0.9080503@eml.cc>

Hmmm... given dreams are not confined neither by time nor space, perhaps 
Mr. Adams "saw" your dream and put it down on paper?  :)

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Bob Sneidar <mailto:bobs at twft.com>
> Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:22 PM
>
>
> I liked the movie better than the book. The movie had a nice love 
> story and all ended well. The book dropped you off in a decidedly 
> unfriendly section of the slums of Norganza on planet FriedZig without 
> any explanation. Or did I dream that?
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
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> Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:47 PM
>
>
> Ahem...  "42" was the *answer* not the question.
>



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Wed Jan 26 18:02:58 2011
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:02:58 +0100
Subject: $PATH
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin=cohUNcJg88cZHYrUDera=dJJCz-DWVSu3-kx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin8f6cpc1_0qVk+AhvYHusSaM9CKft1Sw6t3eu_@mail.gmail.com>
	<142808086421.20110125171459@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTin=cohUNcJg88cZHYrUDera=dJJCz-DWVSu3-kx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3DF5BAC7-CEB0-49D4-AB23-6270BC25F2B6@mines-paristech.fr>

from what I understand, the shell command creates a new shell session which not that of the terminal. As a result, you may have to rebuild $path correctly. Here is what I do to put the TeX executables in the shell's path:
------------------------

on checkTeXPATH -- for MacTeX
   put $PATH into theShellPATH
   if "/usr/local/bin:" is not in theShellPATH then -- for Ghostcript
      put "/usr/local/bin:" & $PATH into $PATH
   end if
   if "/usr/texbin:" is not in theShellPATH then -- for pdftex etc..
      put "/usr/texbin:" & $PATH into $PATH
   end if
end checkTeXPATH



--------------------------
HTH
Fran?ois

Le 26 janv. 2011 ? 10:09, David Bovill a ?crit :

> Yes - but does it return the same $PATH even after you have customised your
> personal user $PATH with entries in .profile or one of the many other files
> that you can customise yourself, or that installers of command line tools
> often cutomise for you (for instance MacPorts).
> 
> Even in MC days on Linux, I found that my own personal shell value of $PATH
> was not the same as the MC result that gets returned with $PATH. I doubt
> this is any different on Fedora Core?
> 
> For instance on my OSX system: I can use shell commands because my $PATH in
> the default bash shell is:
> 
> /opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11/bin
>> 
> 
> In LiveCode $PATH (and therefore which command line tools are found) is
> simply:
> 
> /usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/opt/local/bin
> 
> This is because my .profile settings are:
> 
>> # MacPorts Installer addition on 2009-05-28_at_01:12:13: adding an
>> appropriate PATH variable for use with MacPorts.
>> export PATH=/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:$PATH
>> # Finished adapting your PATH environment variable for use with MacPorts.
>> 
>> 
>> # MacPorts Installer addition on 2009-05-28_at_01:12:13: adding an
>> appropriate MANPATH variable for use with MacPorts.
>> export MANPATH=/opt/local/share/man:$MANPATH
>> # Finished adapting your MANPATH environment variable for use with
>> MacPorts.
>> 
>> 
>> ##
>> # Your previous /Users/david/.profile file was backed up as
>> /Users/david/.profile.macports-saved_2009-08-28_at_23:30:02
>> ##
>> 
>> # MacPorts Installer addition on 2009-08-28_at_23:30:02: adding an
>> appropriate PATH variable for use with MacPorts.
>> export PATH=/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:$PATH
>> # Finished adapting your PATH environment variable for use with MacPorts.
>> 
> 
> Somewhere around I have code that would read and write to these files in
> order to keep the shell environments in LiveCode and the terminal in sync -
> and I need to get this right for the tools I'm working on for LiveCode TV
> shared code libraries, as they interface with various command line tools.
> Need to get to the bottom of these issues cross platform.
> 
> On 26 January 2011 01:14, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> AFAIK - the way $PATH works (at least on OSX / Linux) is not the same as
>> you
>>> get when you open your terminal... essentially because it is not using
>> your
>>> .profile or equivalent settings when the shell is initiated. I am not
>> sure
>>> where it gets it's initial setting?
>> 
>> $PATH returns my path on Fedora Core. So does
>> 
>> put shell("$PATH")
>> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jan 26 20:08:03 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:08:03 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <798CC7B6-218C-4EB1-8581-13EF164FAE8C@fiberworld.nl>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
	<8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>
	<7E3EFE8D-3148-4ACB-8463-03E6D8735EBF@mac.com>
	<06D51876-009D-4007-A9A9-F123C5A82BE2@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTi=_Jw4zP1aySi971SEgPeBcz-MXQCYWyi8Db5-c@mail.gmail.com>
	<90570741250.20110122231914@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTi=oWwywbZwu+=m5-ihNehsu7_rxnZwVZatqq8p7@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB21687D-89D6-4DAB-81CD-CAB1475E5EAB@jhj.com> <"655D7
	C24-63FF-434F-81A0-98C01C4D86C5"@mac.com>
	<ECE1EB9C-DDE0-48AC-8FCF-A076705F49D1@jhj.com>
	<AANLkTikMW96Oqim-Ev5RsN1mvCTNH8ERE9WAExs6oh4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E8C596B-4378-44B6-9DE4-69A2AC924C77@jhj.com>
	<69D174AB-D4F7-4499-8272-56D04988E572@mac.com>
	<4A568B4D-0EE4-4BE4-989C-47D749B855CA@mac.com>
	<798CC7B6-218C-4EB1-8581-13EF164FAE8C@fiberworld.nl>
Message-ID: <144894070781.20110126170803@ahsoftware.net>

Claudi-

Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 2:48:22 AM, you wrote:

> Thread 0 Crashed:
> 0   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x91ddde42 __kill + 10
> 1   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x91e5023a raise + 26
> 2   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x91e5c622 __abort + 97
> 3   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x91e5c68a _cproc_fork_child + 0
> 4   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x92049005 0x92001000 + 294917
> 5   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x9204710c __gxx_personality_v0 + 1108
> 6   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x9204714b std::terminate() + 29
> 7   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x92047261 __cxa_throw + 101
> 8   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x920475d8 operator new(unsigned long) + 100
> 9   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x92047689 operator new[](unsigned long) + 17
> 10  com.runrev.livecode                 0x000a3048
> MCExecPoint::getbuffer(unsigned int) + 56
> 11  com.runrev.livecode                 0x00141134
> IO_read_to_eof(IO_header*, MCExecPoint&) + 52
> 12  com.runrev.livecode                 0x0006d3bb
> MCRead::exec(MCExecPoint&) + 2555
> 13  com.runrev.livecode                 0x00103a64
> MCHandler::doscript(MCExecPoint&, unsigned short, unsigned short) +

Well, from a quick look at things, I'd say you started a script that
did a "repeat until EOF" and LC crashed trying to allocate memory
space for the read. That is Not a Good Thing.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Thu Jan 27 01:47:56 2011
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:47:56 +0100
Subject: iOS:  what's the best place to store media files
In-Reply-To: <B8213429-D5BE-4B06-9C54-3F115D02EB3D@gmail.com>
References: <B8213429-D5BE-4B06-9C54-3F115D02EB3D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6B18419-D36B-4811-A50D-5016F4DA496E@laposte.net>


Le 26 janv. 2011 ? 20:35, Chris Sheffield a ?crit :

> 
> What is the best place to store files like audio and images alongside an iOS app? I am working on a simple proof of concept app that needs to play several audio files back to back. I don't necessarily want these audio files to be backed up through iTunes, as the finished app may eventually contain hundreds of audio files (most likely in the form of downloadable packs of some kind), but they do need to be persistent between app launches.
> 
> From my understanding, it looks like the app's cache folder is the best place, but I just thought I'd ask to make sure. And if that's the case, what is the best way to test this in the simulator? Do I need to copy all the audio files into the simulated app's folder at /Users/[user]/Library/Application Support/iPhone Simulator?


Hello,

You can use the "Copy files" function of the standalone builder to put your files into the app.


From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Jan 27 02:48:03 2011
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:48:03 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: How to narrow SQL search with multiple criterias?
In-Reply-To: <939126DC-1D05-4C45-B0A4-178CD4264DBD@twft.com>
References: <007201cbbc90$dd4329f0$97c97dd0$@de>	<AANLkTimrqu29t+K2W0+NESWhfqUoaN5m+5O3uLfJ0VTw@mail.gmail.com>	<00ab01cbbd7a$34103bd0$9c30b370$@de>	<11708766-CD5C-4218-849F-C4158509F790@mollysrevenge.com>
	<939126DC-1D05-4C45-B0A4-178CD4264DBD@twft.com>
Message-ID: <003f01cbbdf6$8b149ee0$a13ddca0$@de>

Thanks Bob and Peter, that are valuable thoughts.
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bob Sneidar
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Januar 2011 19:04
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: AW: How to narrow SQL search with multiple criterias?
> 
> Also remember that Trevor's sqlYoga has the ability to create query
> objects, and then update those objects and re-run the query. The API
> builds the SQL for you, so it's very easy to do recursive queries.
> 
> As an aside, there is a way in mySQL (and others I am sure) to output
> the query as a new temporary table, assuming you have CREATE TABLE
> rights to the database. This can be a better way to handle large
> datasets.
> 
> For instance, let's say you want the detail for every invoice in the
> prior year sorted by item code, and subtotalled for each item and
> totaled at the end. If the business is a very busy and profitable one,
> that could be a helluvalotta data! (Assume you are CDW for a moment).
> You would never want to return that much data to a memory variable!
> 
> By having the engine output to a temp table you can then run the report
> on that, and never have to worry about overwhelming Rev.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 26, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> 
> > I think the problem with using LC to narrow down the results of an
> SQL SELECT is that the database may have changed since doing the
> initial SELECT so what you end up with may not reflect the current
> state of the database.  I guess that may not matter to your
> application, or maybe you've locked the database so it can't change but
> definitely a consideration.
> >
> > I've been doing this by saving the contents of the WHERE Clause for
> the SELECT in a variable then appending the additional selection
> criteria to it and issuing a new SELECT statement with the revised
> WHERE clause.
> >
> > Don't have an opinion on the efficiency aspects of LC vs SQL, I
> suspect it depends on a lot of factors.
> >
> > Pete Haworth
> >
> > On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> >
> >> Hi William,
> >> That's what I thought, to cycle through the SQL result data with LC,
> but was
> >> unsure how performing it is. I have let's say 20000 records and have
> to
> >> check multiple properties with multiple values. Will the result of
> my cycle
> >> still be so fast, that the user doesn't has to wait for it, because
> it
> >> should just be a nice usability feature to disable the remaining
> selections
> >> and is not necessary for life. I was unsure, if cycling through the
> result
> >> with LC would be state of the art to realize such feature.
> >> Probably I have to code it and make real performance test with and
> without
> >> this feature. Perhaps the SQL Select is so much more time consuming,
> that my
> >> LC cycle isn't relevant anyway.
> >> Thanks
> >> Tiemo
> >>
> >>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> >>> Von: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-
> >>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von william humphrey
> >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Januar 2011 17:55
> >>> An: How to use LiveCode
> >>> Betreff: Re: How to narrow SQL search with multiple criterias?
> >>>
> >>> Sometimes, SQL failure that I am, I just dump it all in a variable
> and
> >>> look
> >>> through it using LiveCode. It depends how big although LiveCode is
> >>> pretty
> >>> quick.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Thu Jan 27 04:57:20 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:57:20 +0000
Subject: $PATH
In-Reply-To: <3DF5BAC7-CEB0-49D4-AB23-6270BC25F2B6@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <AANLkTin8f6cpc1_0qVk+AhvYHusSaM9CKft1Sw6t3eu_@mail.gmail.com>
	<142808086421.20110125171459@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTin=cohUNcJg88cZHYrUDera=dJJCz-DWVSu3-kx@mail.gmail.com>
	<3DF5BAC7-CEB0-49D4-AB23-6270BC25F2B6@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=vkdoaA=LwUe8nMOQFWWxNQD0-mPbQQmVpb3+5@mail.gmail.com>

Ah yes - that's how I remember it. So setting the $PATH from within LiveCode
works on a temporary basis, but $PATH is not in sync with your personal
users terminal (bash) settings.

It would be good to know where exactly LiveCode gets it's $PATH settings
from?

2011/1/26 Fran?ois Chaplais <francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr>

> from what I understand, the shell command creates a new shell session which
> not that of the terminal. As a result, you may have to rebuild $path
> correctly. Here is what I do to put the TeX executables in the shell's path:
> ------------------------
>
> on checkTeXPATH -- for MacTeX
>   put $PATH into theShellPATH
>   if "/usr/local/bin:" is not in theShellPATH then -- for Ghostcript
>      put "/usr/local/bin:" & $PATH into $PATH
>   end if
>   if "/usr/texbin:" is not in theShellPATH then -- for pdftex etc..
>      put "/usr/texbin:" & $PATH into $PATH
>   end if
> end checkTeXPATH
>

It is possible to combine the above with reading the configuration files
yourself - and then seting LiveCode's $PATH to match the settings with a
handler like yours above. All though a general parser for bash scripts would
be messy due to the large number of ways things can be coded, and the range
of configuration files that need looking at, I think a practical version
would simply allow manual editing of .profile and the equivalent config
files on other platforms as an aid to command line program installation?


From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 06:44:12 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:44:12 +0100
Subject: Answer file with type BMPf?
In-Reply-To: <C965E413.81FC8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C965E413.81FC8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <8471CEDA-E596-4192-A521-44219685AB05@gmail.com>

Thanks Ken,

I tried your suggestion but no luck. 
I tested it on Windows 7 en OSX 10.6 with LC 4.5.3. New stack, image area and code. All files OK but BMP is still a no go!
 
Anyone?

Greetings,

William

-----
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone!

Op 26 jan. 2011 om 21:45 heeft Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> het volgende geschreven:

> 
>> Why doesn't this work for BMP files?
>> answer file "Kies een foto:" with type "All
>> Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|JPEG,GIFf,PNGf,BMPf"
> 
> The reason might be because the .bmp file may not have been assigned a type
> code. If you *only* want to get .bmp files with a type code of "BMPf" then
> this should work. But if you want to get .bmp files, *regardless* of the
> type code, do not provide the type code in the 'answer file' call (the
> following just goes by extension and ignores type):
> 
> answer file "Kies een foto:" with type "All Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|"
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> 
> 
> 
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From dr.alistair at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 06:54:34 2011
From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (planix)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:54:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: revision control software
In-Reply-To: <FEE245D3-C045-4E4C-A174-764EE9385C45@ahsomme.com>
References: <AANLkTinnaodEpNhpoL=KN4PggiHs19Dm23YZB8AFMd_i@mail.gmail.com>
	<FEE245D3-C045-4E4C-A174-764EE9385C45@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <1296129274664-3242038.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi,

Here is the direct link for Magic Carpet.

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm Altuit
Website 

cheers
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From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Jan 27 07:43:04 2011
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 04:43:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Answer file with type BMPf?
In-Reply-To: <8471CEDA-E596-4192-A521-44219685AB05@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikUeqsmRqVA_ONg8xpxOC4snrayoe_7BO-EB9Uk@mail.gmail.com>
	<C965E413.81FC8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<8471CEDA-E596-4192-A521-44219685AB05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1296132184119-3242119.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi William

this works for me on MacOS 10.6.6 for all three file suffixes:

 answer files "Kies een foto:" with type "All Images|png,jpg,bmp"

could you post the code that does not work for you? Any typos?

Kind regards

Bernd
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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 08:15:38 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:15:38 +0100
Subject: Answer file with type BMPf?
In-Reply-To: <1296132184119-3242119.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <AANLkTikUeqsmRqVA_ONg8xpxOC4snrayoe_7BO-EB9Uk@mail.gmail.com>
	<C965E413.81FC8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<8471CEDA-E596-4192-A521-44219685AB05@gmail.com>
	<1296132184119-3242119.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A5B8125-3C24-440D-98A8-445C80E1A463@gmail.com>

Hi Bernd,

I use this script in an image area:
on mouseup
    answer file "Kies een foto:" with type "All Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|JPEG,GIFf,PNGf,BMPf"
               if it = empty
               then
                  put empty into img "foto1"
                    exit mouseUp
                 end if
               put url ("binfile:" & it) into img "foto1"
end mouseup

Like I said: tested on Windows 7 and OSX 10.6 with LC 4.5.3. All images show up in img "foto1". No luck with any bmp file.

Greetings,

William

-----
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone!

Op 27 jan. 2011 om 13:43 heeft BNig <niggemann at uni-wh.de> het volgende geschreven:

> 
> Hi William
> 
> this works for me on MacOS 10.6.6 for all three file suffixes:
> 
> answer files "Kies een foto:" with type "All Images|png,jpg,bmp"
> 
> could you post the code that does not work for you? Any typos?
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Bernd
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Answer-file-with-type-BMPf-tp3236720p3242119.html
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From harald at etcpp.de  Thu Jan 27 08:18:37 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:18:37 +0100
Subject: OAuth
In-Reply-To: <5E89336C-E9D0-4A14-A421-66EFE4A20D55@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <A619057E-0F28-4C17-865A-4EB015BEDBA0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C2F92BAF-FE37-4AFB-B0BE-C8E95E4B7217@mollysrevenge.com>
	<AANLkTinVCeWiO6zdknuiSokL-AP120W7ogHqo1umO87j@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E89336C-E9D0-4A14-A421-66EFE4A20D55@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <1381D2D3-6223-4A2F-8474-F28C8EF2ACAD@etcpp.de>

Hi all,

has anybody made it thru OAuth already? There will be no way around OAuth
for me and after looking at all those infos I found a very interesting playground:

http://googlecodesamples.com/oauth_playground/index.php?

Once again I would like to work with others on this. Step by step, something easy
to handle, perhaps a script which can be edited and commented together online?
Anyone interested? Mark? Another try?

Best regards,
Harald.

| Harald M?ller (app.etcpp.de)
| Theodor-K?rner-Stra?e 4, 97072 W?rzburg
| Telefon + 49-[0]931-8049170


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Jan 27 08:33:49 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:33:49 +0100
Subject: OAuth
In-Reply-To: <1381D2D3-6223-4A2F-8474-F28C8EF2ACAD@etcpp.de>
References: <A619057E-0F28-4C17-865A-4EB015BEDBA0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C2F92BAF-FE37-4AFB-B0BE-C8E95E4B7217@mollysrevenge.com>
	<AANLkTinVCeWiO6zdknuiSokL-AP120W7ogHqo1umO87j@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E89336C-E9D0-4A14-A421-66EFE4A20D55@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1381D2D3-6223-4A2F-8474-F28C8EF2ACAD@etcpp.de>
Message-ID: <BB1314F3-4AF9-4F0F-BE6C-C72DFFD38FF6@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Harald,

I made a system that successfully logs in on Facebook and posts messages. It isn't a general solution and it is still work in progress, but I think I am now able to do it for other systems as well, such as Twitter.

Unfortunately, the open-source attempt failed completely and what I have now is a commercial solution. I can't share it for free but I can sell custom solutions.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/ce

On 27 jan 2011, at 14:18, Harald M?ller wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> has anybody made it thru OAuth already? There will be no way around OAuth
> for me and after looking at all those infos I found a very interesting playground:
> 
> http://googlecodesamples.com/oauth_playground/index.php?
> 
> Once again I would like to work with others on this. Step by step, something easy
> to handle, perhaps a script which can be edited and commented together online?
> Anyone interested? Mark? Another try?
> 
> Best regards,
> Harald.
> 
> | Harald M?ller (app.etcpp.de)
> | Theodor-K?rner-Stra?e 4, 97072 W?rzburg
> | Telefon + 49-[0]931-8049170





From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Thu Jan 27 08:38:30 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:38:30 +0000
Subject: Htmltext: storing data in markup
Message-ID: <AANLkTikH2GrxKO1OAoEQc7dHxE0b9c-z00aYrhRweKme@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone got any suggestions / experience in using htmltext to store data /
metadata. Most of the time is strips out any additional tags you might add
(which is a great pity) - but I've found it useful to use markup like:

<a name="some thing you want to store">For this text</a>

Are there any other tags that can be used to markup text with metadata?


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Thu Jan 27 08:42:21 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:42:21 +0000
Subject: OAuth
In-Reply-To: <BB1314F3-4AF9-4F0F-BE6C-C72DFFD38FF6@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <A619057E-0F28-4C17-865A-4EB015BEDBA0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C2F92BAF-FE37-4AFB-B0BE-C8E95E4B7217@mollysrevenge.com>
	<AANLkTinVCeWiO6zdknuiSokL-AP120W7ogHqo1umO87j@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E89336C-E9D0-4A14-A421-66EFE4A20D55@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1381D2D3-6223-4A2F-8474-F28C8EF2ACAD@etcpp.de>
	<BB1314F3-4AF9-4F0F-BE6C-C72DFFD38FF6@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin26qUPHNJKMPafAo5YPihu-665vb=8Op6NLPAV@mail.gmail.com>

I'll work on it with you Harald, we could take some steps looking at this
next weekend at a LiveCode TV event? I think Andre has some code knocking
about?

On 27 jan 2011, at 14:18, Harald M?ller wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > has anybody made it thru OAuth already? There will be no way around OAuth
> > for me and after looking at all those infos I found a very interesting
> playground:
> >
> > http://googlecodesamples.com/oauth_playground/index.php?
> >
> > Once again I would like to work with others on this. Step by step,
> something easy
> > to handle, perhaps a script which can be edited and commented together
> online?
> > Anyone interested? Mark? Another try?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Harald.
> >
> > | Harald M?ller (app.etcpp.de)
> > | Theodor-K?rner-Stra?e 4, 97072 W?rzburg
> > | Telefon + 49-[0]931-8049170
>
>
>
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From ray at linkit.com  Thu Jan 27 08:44:55 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:44:55 -0500
Subject: Build for Server Basics
Message-ID: <002101cbbe28$622285b0$26679110$@LinkIt.Com>

Greetings,

Could anybody point me to some documentation on building standalones for
servers.  I recently purchased the license for it but I don't see it in the
Standalone Application Settings.  I'm wondering what the benefits are to
this approach as compared to, for example, running a normal standalone under
Fire Daemon (which simply assures the app stays open on the server when you
log out).

Any insight appreciated,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 27 09:05:36 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 06:05:36 -0800
Subject: Htmltext: storing data in markup
Message-ID: <4D417BB0.5060002@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

> Anyone got any suggestions / experience in using htmltext to store data /
> metadata. Most of the time is strips out any additional tags you might add
> (which is a great pity) - but I've found it useful to use markup like:
>
> <a name="some thing you want to store">For this text</a>
>
> Are there any other tags that can be used to markup text with metadata?

The name attribute is honored so long as the run of text it's applied to 
does not also have an href.

E.g. this works well for assigning arbitrary metadata to text runs:

    this is a <a name="howdy">test</a>.

With that htmlText, the text is rendered without a link and no 
linkClicked message is sent.  Instead you can use this to get the name data:

     get the linkText of the clickChunk

...or any other chunk expression like:

    get the linkText of word 5 of fld 1


As useful as that is, note that including an href for that segment will 
cause the name attribute data to be lost:

    this is a <a name="howdy" href="somelink">test</a>.

If you don't need links in the runs you need to apply metadata to, the 
name attribute should do what you need.


If you may also have links in some of those runs, you may be interested 
in this request for a linkData chunk property, which would allow us to 
use any number of attributes in <a> tags, returned in an array as with 
clipboardData and dragData:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=9347>

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 27 09:06:16 2011
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 06:06:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Answer file with type BMPf?
In-Reply-To: <4A5B8125-3C24-440D-98A8-445C80E1A463@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <887275.75334.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 1/27/11, William de Smet <williamdesmet at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Bernd,
> 
> I use this script in an image area:
> on mouseup
> ? ? answer file "Kies een foto:" with type "All
> Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|JPEG,GIFf,PNGf,BMPf"
> ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ???if it = empty
> ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ???then
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? put empty into img "foto1"
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? exit mouseUp
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ???end if
> ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ???put url ("binfile:" & it) into img
> "foto1"
> end mouseup
> 
> Like I said: tested on Windows 7 and OSX 10.6 with LC
> 4.5.3. All images show up in img "foto1". No luck with any
> bmp file.
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> William
> 

I'm afraid that putting it into the image control may fail.
Try this instead:
 ???set the fileName of img "foto1" to it
    if the result is not empty then answer error the result

HTH,

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)



      



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Jan 27 09:20:59 2011
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:20:59 +0000
Subject: Htmltext: storing data in markup
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikH2GrxKO1OAoEQc7dHxE0b9c-z00aYrhRweKme@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikH2GrxKO1OAoEQc7dHxE0b9c-z00aYrhRweKme@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D417F4B.3070506@cogapp.com>

On 27/01/2011 13:38, David Bovill wrote:
> Anyone got any suggestions / experience in using htmltext to store data /
> metadata. Most of the time is strips out any additional tags you might add
> (which is a great pity) - but I've found it useful to use markup like:
>
> <a name="some thing you want to store">For this text</a>
>
> Are there any other tags that can be used to markup text with metadata?

David,

A technique I used a few years ago, which worked out well, was to use the 
low-order bits of the colour to code an ID that my code could associate with 
whatever it liked.  By reserving two bits each from R/G/B one immediately gets 
an ID space of 128, and I doubt if any user could tell the difference in the 
colour of the text.  An advantage of using the colour in this way is that it 
is independent of other text attributes such as style, font, size etc; and 
that as the user edits, it adjusts naturally.  It did depend on the fact that 
in this context my app had complete control over the styling of the text: any 
changes the user made, other than typing, went through my code, so that for 
example if text was linked, my code could preserve the low-order bits of the 
colour as the text changed from 'black' to 'blue'; and when text was pasted, 
again my code had to step in to fiddle with colours.  But as I say it was a 
very satisfactory solution.

However I do recall that last time I mentioned it on a Rev list someone had 
what sounded like a far superior and simpler technique!  But I offer it for 
what it's worth.

Ben



From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Jan 27 09:37:36 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:37:36 -0200
Subject: OAuth
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin26qUPHNJKMPafAo5YPihu-665vb=8Op6NLPAV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A619057E-0F28-4C17-865A-4EB015BEDBA0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C2F92BAF-FE37-4AFB-B0BE-C8E95E4B7217@mollysrevenge.com>
	<AANLkTinVCeWiO6zdknuiSokL-AP120W7ogHqo1umO87j@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E89336C-E9D0-4A14-A421-66EFE4A20D55@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1381D2D3-6223-4A2F-8474-F28C8EF2ACAD@etcpp.de>
	<BB1314F3-4AF9-4F0F-BE6C-C72DFFD38FF6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AANLkTin26qUPHNJKMPafAo5YPihu-665vb=8Op6NLPAV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimOPeg8wjmXD1Y5QDvt1mQW7d-DQq6frv9fck1D@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:42 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>wrote:

> I'll work on it with you Harald, we could take some steps looking at this
> next weekend at a LiveCode TV event? I think Andre has some code knocking
> about?
>
>
I am trying to finish it. The main issue right now is time to finish it.

:D




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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Thu Jan 27 09:55:59 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:55:59 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <144894070781.20110126170803@ahsoftware.net>
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Good catch Mark,

I notice the getbuffer line and then the read to eof -- Claudi can answer if that was a loop but from looking at his code, in the stack he shared with me, the read from driver until eof is where this crashed:

>   if the hilitedButtonName of grp "driverFile radioGrp" = "driver" then
>       read from driver tDriver until EOF  -- end  EOF
>    else
>       read from file tDriver until empty  --EOF    -- empty as in dictionary  
>    end if


He didn't do a 'repeat loop' but rather the read from driver is reading until it finds an EOF which must be looping with no EOF. Right?

This is/was the way to read the port in previous FTDI instances and in Sarah's serialTest stack as well. It's possible/ is it possible that we can't read this way with the Atmega8u2 due to OSX 10.6.6 and how it handles the serial/usb buffer. Or is it more like the EOF is wrong. I still have not found a definitive answer on the Arduino Uno forums as to what the line endings are when the Uno fills the buffer or how big the buffer is on the board. I understand that the Mac side is rather larger than the Uno side.

I am trying to write a software flow control sketch and LC combo now to see if it will work (with out resetting the Uno each time).

The question remains that this piece of code works in previous OS versions so what has changed in 10.6.6 and what needs changed in LC to read until EOF with out crashing. Or is that what you meant by That is Not a Good Thing? ;-)

Thanks for catching that.


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Claudi-
> 
> Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 2:48:22 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> Thread 0 Crashed:
>> 0   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x91ddde42 __kill + 10
>> 1   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x91e5023a raise + 26
>> 2   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x91e5c622 __abort + 97
>> 3   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x91e5c68a _cproc_fork_child + 0
>> 4   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x92049005 0x92001000 + 294917
>> 5   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x9204710c __gxx_personality_v0 + 1108
>> 6   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x9204714b std::terminate() + 29
>> 7   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x92047261 __cxa_throw + 101
>> 8   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x920475d8 operator new(unsigned long) + 100
>> 9   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x92047689 operator new[](unsigned long) + 17
>> 10  com.runrev.livecode                 0x000a3048
>> MCExecPoint::getbuffer(unsigned int) + 56
>> 11  com.runrev.livecode                 0x00141134
>> IO_read_to_eof(IO_header*, MCExecPoint&) + 52
>> 12  com.runrev.livecode                 0x0006d3bb
>> MCRead::exec(MCExecPoint&) + 2555
>> 13  com.runrev.livecode                 0x00103a64
>> MCHandler::doscript(MCExecPoint&, unsigned short, unsigned short) +
> 
> Well, from a quick look at things, I'd say you started a script that
> did a "repeat until EOF" and LC crashed trying to allocate memory
> space for the read. That is Not a Good Thing.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
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From harald at etcpp.de  Thu Jan 27 09:59:36 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:59:36 +0100
Subject: OAuth
In-Reply-To: <BB1314F3-4AF9-4F0F-BE6C-C72DFFD38FF6@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <A619057E-0F28-4C17-865A-4EB015BEDBA0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C2F92BAF-FE37-4AFB-B0BE-C8E95E4B7217@mollysrevenge.com>
	<AANLkTinVCeWiO6zdknuiSokL-AP120W7ogHqo1umO87j@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E89336C-E9D0-4A14-A421-66EFE4A20D55@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1381D2D3-6223-4A2F-8474-F28C8EF2ACAD@etcpp.de>
	<BB1314F3-4AF9-4F0F-BE6C-C72DFFD38FF6@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <DA4386B5-B541-447B-97A3-3F0526BB487F@etcpp.de>

Hi Mark,

I managed posting to Facebook also, but not via clean OAuth. Anyway: Good
luck with your commercial attempt!

You are right, the open-source attempt with the Wiki didn't work well and
I don't know how this can be done as "group work". But I think it's not clever
when each of us goes the same road, we could take a bus and share cost/time.
Perhaps the key point is to find a platform which was made for things like that.

http://www.subethaedit.net/  perhaps, or something like that.

Best regards,
Harald.

| Harald M?ller (app.etcpp.de)
| Theodor-K?rner-Stra?e 4, 97072 W?rzburg
| Telefon + 49-[0]931-8049170





Am 27.01.2011 um 14:33 schrieb Mark Schonewille:

> Hi Harald,
> 
> I made a system that successfully logs in on Facebook and posts messages. It isn't a general solution and it is still work in progress, but I think I am now able to do it for other systems as well, such as Twitter.
> 
> Unfortunately, the open-source attempt failed completely and what I have now is a commercial solution. I can't share it for free but I can sell custom solutions.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/ce
> 
> On 27 jan 2011, at 14:18, Harald M?ller wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> has anybody made it thru OAuth already? There will be no way around OAuth
>> for me and after looking at all those infos I found a very interesting playground:
>> 
>> http://googlecodesamples.com/oauth_playground/index.php?
>> 
>> Once again I would like to work with others on this. Step by step, something easy
>> to handle, perhaps a script which can be edited and commented together online?
>> Anyone interested? Mark? Another try?
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Harald.
>> 
>> | Harald M?ller (app.etcpp.de)
>> | Theodor-K?rner-Stra?e 4, 97072 W?rzburg
>> | Telefon + 49-[0]931-8049170
> 
> 
> 
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From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Jan 27 09:59:57 2011
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 06:59:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Answer file with type BMPf?
In-Reply-To: <4A5B8125-3C24-440D-98A8-445C80E1A463@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikUeqsmRqVA_ONg8xpxOC4snrayoe_7BO-EB9Uk@mail.gmail.com>
	<C965E413.81FC8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
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Message-ID: <1296140397365-3242389.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi William,

Jan's solution works for me with bmp to set the filename of the image 

If you want to detach the image from the filename and to turn it from a
referenced image to an local/stack resident image you could issue the
following command

set the imagedata of image "foto1" to the imagedata of img "foto1"

Although this may sound funny it effectively detaches the image from the
file on disk and makes it an independent image object.

kind regards

Bernd



>> I use this script in an image area: 
>> on mouseup 
>>     answer file "Kies een foto:" with type "All 
>> Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|JPEG,GIFf,PNGf,BMPf" 
>>             
>>    if it = empty 
>>             
>>    then 
>>                 
>>   put empty into img "foto1" 
>>                 
>>     exit mouseUp 
>>               
>>    end if 
>>             
>>    put url ("binfile:" & it) into img 
>> "foto1" 
>> end mouseup 
>> 
>> Like I said: tested on Windows 7 and OSX 10.6 with LC 
>> 4.5.3. All images show up in img "foto1". No luck with any 
>> bmp file. 
>> 
>> Greetings, 
>> 
>> William 
>>
> ... [show rest of quote]
> 
> I'm afraid that putting it into the image control may fail. 
> Try this instead: 
>     set the fileName of img "foto1" to it 
>     if the result is not empty then answer error the result 
> 
> HTH, 
> 
> Jan Schenkel. 
> ===== 
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode 
> www.quartam.com 
> 
> ===== 
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." 
> (La Rochefoucauld) 
> 
-- 
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From harald at etcpp.de  Thu Jan 27 10:04:18 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:04:18 +0100
Subject: OAuth
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin26qUPHNJKMPafAo5YPihu-665vb=8Op6NLPAV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A619057E-0F28-4C17-865A-4EB015BEDBA0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C2F92BAF-FE37-4AFB-B0BE-C8E95E4B7217@mollysrevenge.com>
	<AANLkTinVCeWiO6zdknuiSokL-AP120W7ogHqo1umO87j@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E89336C-E9D0-4A14-A421-66EFE4A20D55@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1381D2D3-6223-4A2F-8474-F28C8EF2ACAD@etcpp.de>
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	<AANLkTin26qUPHNJKMPafAo5YPihu-665vb=8Op6NLPAV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85928BE5-8AD7-4EF3-8307-57A9D7C489CC@etcpp.de>

Sounds good!

(I haven't seen anything on LiveCode TV until now , but I'll try  ...)


Am 27.01.2011 um 14:42 schrieb David Bovill:

> I'll work on it with you Harald, we could take some steps looking at this
> next weekend at a LiveCode TV event? I think Andre has some code knocking
> about?
> 
> On 27 jan 2011, at 14:18, Harald M?ller wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> has anybody made it thru OAuth already? There will be no way around OAuth
>>> for me and after looking at all those infos I found a very interesting
>> playground:
>>> 
>>> http://googlecodesamples.com/oauth_playground/index.php?
>>> 
>>> Once again I would like to work with others on this. Step by step,
>> something easy
>>> to handle, perhaps a script which can be edited and commented together
>> online?
>>> Anyone interested? Mark? Another try?
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Harald.
>>> 
>>> | Harald M?ller (app.etcpp.de)
>>> | Theodor-K?rner-Stra?e 4, 97072 W?rzburg
>>> | Telefon + 49-[0]931-8049170
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From harald at etcpp.de  Thu Jan 27 10:04:23 2011
From: harald at etcpp.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_M=FCller?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:04:23 +0100
Subject: OAuth
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimOPeg8wjmXD1Y5QDvt1mQW7d-DQq6frv9fck1D@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A619057E-0F28-4C17-865A-4EB015BEDBA0@economy-x-talk.com>
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	<AANLkTinVCeWiO6zdknuiSokL-AP120W7ogHqo1umO87j@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E89336C-E9D0-4A14-A421-66EFE4A20D55@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1381D2D3-6223-4A2F-8474-F28C8EF2ACAD@etcpp.de>
	<BB1314F3-4AF9-4F0F-BE6C-C72DFFD38FF6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AANLkTin26qUPHNJKMPafAo5YPihu-665vb=8Op6NLPAV@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimOPeg8wjmXD1Y5QDvt1mQW7d-DQq6frv9fck1D@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CEE5659E-CA52-4F91-8D82-2A7610854D31@etcpp.de>

Cool!


Am 27.01.2011 um 15:37 schrieb Andre Garzia:

> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:42 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>wrote:
> 
>> I'll work on it with you Harald, we could take some steps looking at this
>> next weekend at a LiveCode TV event? I think Andre has some code knocking
>> about?
>> 
>> 
> I am trying to finish it. The main issue right now is time to finish it.
> 
> :D
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Thu Jan 27 10:38:00 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:38:00 +0000
Subject: Htmltext: storing data in markup
In-Reply-To: <4D417F4B.3070506@cogapp.com>
References: <AANLkTikH2GrxKO1OAoEQc7dHxE0b9c-z00aYrhRweKme@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D417F4B.3070506@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinhuZts+EfPHewXi81Dr08tyr5AuinwYYRoyyd0@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds good Ben

On 27 January 2011 14:20, Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:

>
> A technique I used a few years ago, which worked out well, was to use the
> low-order bits of the colour to code an ID that my code could associate with
> whatever it liked.  By reserving two bits each from R/G/B one immediately
> gets an ID space of 128, and I doubt if any user could tell the difference
> in the colour of the text.
>
...

> However I do recall that last time I mentioned it on a Rev list someone had
> what sounded like a far superior and simpler technique!
>

This sounds better :) Shake it a bit and maybe it will come back to you?


From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Thu Jan 27 11:09:46 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:09:46 +0000
Subject: OAuth
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimOPeg8wjmXD1Y5QDvt1mQW7d-DQq6frv9fck1D@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A619057E-0F28-4C17-865A-4EB015BEDBA0@economy-x-talk.com>
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	<AANLkTinVCeWiO6zdknuiSokL-AP120W7ogHqo1umO87j@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E89336C-E9D0-4A14-A421-66EFE4A20D55@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1381D2D3-6223-4A2F-8474-F28C8EF2ACAD@etcpp.de>
	<BB1314F3-4AF9-4F0F-BE6C-C72DFFD38FF6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AANLkTin26qUPHNJKMPafAo5YPihu-665vb=8Op6NLPAV@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimOPeg8wjmXD1Y5QDvt1mQW7d-DQq6frv9fck1D@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinhZrd0C3cMm41u43Va=h_f40u-9uN8VxPONTf3@mail.gmail.com>

On 27 January 2011 14:37, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:42 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv
> >wrote:
>
> > I'll work on it with you Harald, we could take some steps looking at this
> > next weekend at a LiveCode TV event? I think Andre has some code knocking
> > about?
> >
> >
> I am trying to finish it. The main issue right now is time to finish it.
>

Awwe.... don't finish it - you'll ruin all the fun for the rest of us - just
send it my way so me and Harald can enjoy getting our heads around it. Voila
- time problems gets turned into hackers challenge :)


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jan 27 11:13:19 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:13:19 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <D9CBDFAA-F8FB-44EB-B8F5-61AF489C45A9@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <92948386546.20110127081319@ahsoftware.net>

Tom-

Thursday, January 27, 2011, 6:55:59 AM, you wrote:

> The question remains that this piece of code works in previous OS
> versions so what has changed in 10.6.6 and what needs changed in LC
> to read until EOF with out crashing. Or is that what you meant by
> That is Not a Good Thing? ;-)

Yeah, that's my take - it looks to me like LC isn't getting as far as
the read because it's crashing trying to allocate a buffer for
incoming chars. The last thing the engine executes is getbuffer(), and
then there's a crash in the libstdc library. My guess would be that
getbuffer() is being handed an invalid argument, but I'll leave it to
the rev team to figure this out.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Jan 27 11:17:35 2011
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:17:35 -0500
Subject: On-rev Rename problem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimOPeg8wjmXD1Y5QDvt1mQW7d-DQq6frv9fck1D@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A619057E-0F28-4C17-865A-4EB015BEDBA0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C2F92BAF-FE37-4AFB-B0BE-C8E95E4B7217@mollysrevenge.com>
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	<5E89336C-E9D0-4A14-A421-66EFE4A20D55@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1381D2D3-6223-4A2F-8474-F28C8EF2ACAD@etcpp.de>
	<BB1314F3-4AF9-4F0F-BE6C-C72DFFD38FF6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AANLkTin26qUPHNJKMPafAo5YPihu-665vb=8Op6NLPAV@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimOPeg8wjmXD1Y5QDvt1mQW7d-DQq6frv9fck1D@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67CC08A9-8FF0-4DAA-8EAD-1C81E7910CBC@all-auctions.com>

Hi there,

I've been trying to use rename file in an irev script
on On-Rev without success.  Is this a known bug?
If so, what is the work around? Rename works fine
on my local Macintosh.  I have the pathname correct
on On-Rev as I'm able to list the files programmatically.

Can anyone else verify that this is a bug?

Ideas? Suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

Rick




From bvg at mac.com  Thu Jan 27 11:38:04 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:38:04 +0100
Subject: Build for Server Basics
In-Reply-To: <002101cbbe28$622285b0$26679110$@LinkIt.Com>
References: <002101cbbe28$622285b0$26679110$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <699B9CFB-FEF2-4CF8-BFFB-778AD3326220@mac.com>

you do not need to build a standalone for server. instead, the server is a package that you can install on an apache web server, and then use rev code in an php-like fashion, using rev code in text files that the server interprets. 

On 27 Jan 2011, at 14:44, Ray Horsley wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> Could anybody point me to some documentation on building standalones for
> servers.  I recently purchased the license for it but I don't see it in the
> Standalone Application Settings.  I'm wondering what the benefits are to
> this approach as compared to, for example, running a normal standalone under
> Fire Daemon (which simply assures the app stays open on the server when you
> log out).
> 
> Any insight appreciated,
> 
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
> 
> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Jan 27 11:41:13 2011
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:41:13 +0000
Subject: On-rev Rename problem
In-Reply-To: <67CC08A9-8FF0-4DAA-8EAD-1C81E7910CBC@all-auctions.com>
References: <A619057E-0F28-4C17-865A-4EB015BEDBA0@economy-x-talk.com>	<C2F92BAF-FE37-4AFB-B0BE-C8E95E4B7217@mollysrevenge.com>	<AANLkTinVCeWiO6zdknuiSokL-AP120W7ogHqo1umO87j@mail.gmail.com>	<5E89336C-E9D0-4A14-A421-66EFE4A20D55@economy-x-talk.com>	<1381D2D3-6223-4A2F-8474-F28C8EF2ACAD@etcpp.de>	<BB1314F3-4AF9-4F0F-BE6C-C72DFFD38FF6@economy-x-talk.com>	<AANLkTin26qUPHNJKMPafAo5YPihu-665vb=8Op6NLPAV@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimOPeg8wjmXD1Y5QDvt1mQW7d-DQq6frv9fck1D@mail.gmail.com>
	<67CC08A9-8FF0-4DAA-8EAD-1C81E7910CBC@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <4D41A029.4050207@tweedly.net>


works OK for me ....

<?rev
put the detailed files into t
replace CR with "<br>" & CR in t
put "<br>" & t


rename "a.txt" "b.txt"

put the detailed files into t
replace CR with "<br>" & CR in t

put "<br>" & t

?>

-- Alex.

On 27/01/2011 16:17, Rick Harrison wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I've been trying to use rename file in an irev script
> on On-Rev without success.  Is this a known bug?
> If so, what is the work around? Rename works fine
> on my local Macintosh.  I have the pathname correct
> on On-Rev as I'm able to list the files programmatically.
>
> Can anyone else verify that this is a bug?
>
> Ideas? Suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Rick
>
>
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From bvg at mac.com  Thu Jan 27 11:42:21 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:42:21 +0100
Subject: On-rev Rename problem
In-Reply-To: <67CC08A9-8FF0-4DAA-8EAD-1C81E7910CBC@all-auctions.com>
References: <A619057E-0F28-4C17-865A-4EB015BEDBA0@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C2F92BAF-FE37-4AFB-B0BE-C8E95E4B7217@mollysrevenge.com>
	<AANLkTinVCeWiO6zdknuiSokL-AP120W7ogHqo1umO87j@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E89336C-E9D0-4A14-A421-66EFE4A20D55@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1381D2D3-6223-4A2F-8474-F28C8EF2ACAD@etcpp.de>
	<BB1314F3-4AF9-4F0F-BE6C-C72DFFD38FF6@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AANLkTin26qUPHNJKMPafAo5YPihu-665vb=8Op6NLPAV@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimOPeg8wjmXD1Y5QDvt1mQW7d-DQq6frv9fck1D@mail.gmail.com>
	<67CC08A9-8FF0-4DAA-8EAD-1C81E7910CBC@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <257573AF-20A1-4AF9-BB97-FC5458CA7E03@mac.com>

Should work, i think. Most likely you don't have write permission, or the paths are somehow mixed up?

Did you try to create a file at the same place? Or delete a file? because if I'm wrong with the permissions, you could read the file in, delete the file, then make a new file with the new name.


On 27 Jan 2011, at 17:17, Rick Harrison wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> I've been trying to use rename file in an irev script
> on On-Rev without success.  Is this a known bug?
> If so, what is the work around? Rename works fine
> on my local Macintosh.  I have the pathname correct
> on On-Rev as I'm able to list the files programmatically.
> 
> Can anyone else verify that this is a bug?
> 
> Ideas? Suggestions?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 11:45:23 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:45:23 +0200
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <95F3C093-7FBC-49B5-AF4F-09C8E7701093@twft.com>
References: <90E32952-4C0B-417D-B1AB-07831540E900@wanadoo.fr>	<1094AD94-E6E5-4D43-9FBF-F54EE04E68BD@economy-x-talk.com>	<B32D61C8-4273-4B62-A34F-AC428E52712A@mac.com>	<4D40966E.7040003@eml.cc>
	<95F3C093-7FBC-49B5-AF4F-09C8E7701093@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D41A123.9040704@gmail.com>

On 01/27/2011 12:22 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> I liked the movie better than the book. The movie had a nice love story and all ended well. The book dropped you off in a decidedly unfriendly section of the slums of Norganza on planet FriedZig without any explanation. Or did I dream that?
>
> Bob
>
We "purists" preferred the TV series; especially the bit with Hot Black 
De Satio.


From ray at linkit.com  Thu Jan 27 12:12:38 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:12:38 -0500
Subject: Build for Server Basics
In-Reply-To: <699B9CFB-FEF2-4CF8-BFFB-778AD3326220@mac.com>
References: <002101cbbe28$622285b0$26679110$@LinkIt.Com>
	<699B9CFB-FEF2-4CF8-BFFB-778AD3326220@mac.com>
Message-ID: <003b01cbbe45$668bcd10$33a36730$@LinkIt.Com>

Thanks for this explanation.  Our server is Windows 2008.  Do you know where
I'd get a similar package for Windows servers?

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bj?rnke von
Gierke
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:38 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Build for Server Basics

you do not need to build a standalone for server. instead, the server is a
package that you can install on an apache web server, and then use rev code
in an php-like fashion, using rev code in text files that the server
interprets. 

On 27 Jan 2011, at 14:44, Ray Horsley wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> Could anybody point me to some documentation on building standalones 
> for servers.  I recently purchased the license for it but I don't see 
> it in the Standalone Application Settings.  I'm wondering what the 
> benefits are to this approach as compared to, for example, running a 
> normal standalone under Fire Daemon (which simply assures the app 
> stays open on the server when you log out).
> 
> Any insight appreciated,
> 
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
> 
> 
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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Thu Jan 27 12:30:18 2011
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:30:18 +0100
Subject: Build for Server Basics
In-Reply-To: <003b01cbbe45$668bcd10$33a36730$@LinkIt.Com>
References: <002101cbbe28$622285b0$26679110$@LinkIt.Com>
	<699B9CFB-FEF2-4CF8-BFFB-778AD3326220@mac.com>
	<003b01cbbe45$668bcd10$33a36730$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <03C1FCBB-BDA4-41AC-8841-228E578B3D35@m-r-d.de>

Hi Ray,

unfortunately a windows version is not released yet. I am waiting for that, too.

Regards,

Matthias

Am 27.01.2011 um 18:12 schrieb Ray Horsley:

> Thanks for this explanation.  Our server is Windows 2008.  Do you know where
> I'd get a similar package for Windows servers?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bj?rnke von
> Gierke
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:38 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: Build for Server Basics
> 
> you do not need to build a standalone for server. instead, the server is a
> package that you can install on an apache web server, and then use rev code
> in an php-like fashion, using rev code in text files that the server
> interprets. 
> 
> On 27 Jan 2011, at 14:44, Ray Horsley wrote:
> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Could anybody point me to some documentation on building standalones 
>> for servers.  I recently purchased the license for it but I don't see 
>> it in the Standalone Application Settings.  I'm wondering what the 
>> benefits are to this approach as compared to, for example, running a 
>> normal standalone under Fire Daemon (which simply assures the app 
>> stays open on the server when you log out).
>> 
>> Any insight appreciated,
>> 
>> Ray Horsley
>> LinkIt! Software
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From bvg at mac.com  Thu Jan 27 12:32:38 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:32:38 +0100
Subject: Build for Server Basics
In-Reply-To: <003b01cbbe45$668bcd10$33a36730$@LinkIt.Com>
References: <002101cbbe28$622285b0$26679110$@LinkIt.Com>
	<699B9CFB-FEF2-4CF8-BFFB-778AD3326220@mac.com>
	<003b01cbbe45$668bcd10$33a36730$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <D4D1D23E-EFC1-43B5-B3D9-FC468DE34E30@mac.com>

Uhm... i'm not sure.. do you mean IIS? because rev server is _only_ for web servers. for a normal file server, you do not need a server edition, because there you'd need normal standalones.


Rev server currently only works for hosting websites on an apache server. you can install apache on windows, but rev server does not run there.

On 27 Jan 2011, at 18:12, Ray Horsley wrote:

> Thanks for this explanation.  Our server is Windows 2008.  Do you know where
> I'd get a similar package for Windows servers?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bj?rnke von
> Gierke
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:38 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: Build for Server Basics
> 
> you do not need to build a standalone for server. instead, the server is a
> package that you can install on an apache web server, and then use rev code
> in an php-like fashion, using rev code in text files that the server
> interprets. 
> 
> On 27 Jan 2011, at 14:44, Ray Horsley wrote:
> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Could anybody point me to some documentation on building standalones 
>> for servers.  I recently purchased the license for it but I don't see 
>> it in the Standalone Application Settings.  I'm wondering what the 
>> benefits are to this approach as compared to, for example, running a 
>> normal standalone under Fire Daemon (which simply assures the app 
>> stays open on the server when you log out).
>> 
>> Any insight appreciated,
>> 
>> Ray Horsley
>> LinkIt! Software
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Jan 27 12:55:28 2011
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:55:28 -0700
Subject: irev scripting and libURL
Message-ID: <591A98AE-CCCB-4736-B8A8-801BB6CDFDEA@byu.edu>

Have searched but can't find the answer to this:

Are libURL calls available in the revServer environment? How is libURL implemented? Is it an external or integrated into the engine?

Thanks,

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University




From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 13:00:12 2011
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:00:12 +0100
Subject: Answer file with type BMPf?
In-Reply-To: <1296140397365-3242389.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <AANLkTikUeqsmRqVA_ONg8xpxOC4snrayoe_7BO-EB9Uk@mail.gmail.com>
	<C965E413.81FC8%kray@sonsothunder.com>
	<8471CEDA-E596-4192-A521-44219685AB05@gmail.com>
	<1296132184119-3242119.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4A5B8125-3C24-440D-98A8-445C80E1A463@gmail.com>
	<1296140397365-3242389.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim3iU-v7BkOJEn_uoiJUjgjkXZ5f_Quj1muK5Mz@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone for taking the time to look into my problem.
@Jan: Thanks! Bedankt! Your suggestion did it.
@ Bernd: I will use your latest suggestion as well.

Till next time :-)

greetings,

William



2011/1/27 BNig <niggemann at uni-wh.de>

>
> Hi William,
>
> Jan's solution works for me with bmp to set the filename of the image
>
> If you want to detach the image from the filename and to turn it from a
> referenced image to an local/stack resident image you could issue the
> following command
>
> set the imagedata of image "foto1" to the imagedata of img "foto1"
>
> Although this may sound funny it effectively detaches the image from the
> file on disk and makes it an independent image object.
>
> kind regards
>
> Bernd
>
>
>
> >> I use this script in an image area:
> >> on mouseup
> >>     answer file "Kies een foto:" with type "All
> >> Images|jpg,gif,png,bmp|JPEG,GIFf,PNGf,BMPf"
> >>
> >>    if it = empty
> >>
> >>    then
> >>
> >>   put empty into img "foto1"
> >>
> >>     exit mouseUp
> >>
> >>    end if
> >>
> >>    put url ("binfile:" & it) into img
> >> "foto1"
> >> end mouseup
> >>
> >> Like I said: tested on Windows 7 and OSX 10.6 with LC
> >> 4.5.3. All images show up in img "foto1". No luck with any
> >> bmp file.
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> William
> >>
> > ... [show rest of quote]
> >
> > I'm afraid that putting it into the image control may fail.
> > Try this instead:
> >     set the fileName of img "foto1" to it
> >     if the result is not empty then answer error the result
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Jan Schenkel.
> > =====
> > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
> > www.quartam.com
> >
> > =====
> > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."
> > (La Rochefoucauld)
> >
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Answer-file-with-type-BMPf-tp3236720p3242389.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
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From bvg at mac.com  Thu Jan 27 13:05:10 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:05:10 +0100
Subject: irev scripting and libURL
In-Reply-To: <591A98AE-CCCB-4736-B8A8-801BB6CDFDEA@byu.edu>
References: <591A98AE-CCCB-4736-B8A8-801BB6CDFDEA@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <C2A8929B-BC33-4942-B0CB-354C01789502@mac.com>

i remember mark wadd. saying that it uses curl calls on the server, because liburl would need stack loading, which it doesn't have. because of that, it only has a few capabilities compared to liburl. 

on the other hand, that was more then a year ago, so they might have changed that by now? There where server-specific documentations back then, similar to todays iOS pdf's. maybe you have one of those available?


On 27 Jan 2011, at 18:55, Devin Asay wrote:

> Have searched but can't find the answer to this:
> 
> Are libURL calls available in the revServer environment? How is libURL implemented? Is it an external or integrated into the engine?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Devin
> 
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
> 
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From ray at linkit.com  Thu Jan 27 13:17:26 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:17:26 -0500
Subject: Build for Server Basics
In-Reply-To: <D4D1D23E-EFC1-43B5-B3D9-FC468DE34E30@mac.com>
References: <002101cbbe28$622285b0$26679110$@LinkIt.Com>	<699B9CFB-FEF2-4CF8-BFFB-778AD3326220@mac.com>	<003b01cbbe45$668bcd10$33a36730$@LinkIt.Com>
	<D4D1D23E-EFC1-43B5-B3D9-FC468DE34E30@mac.com>
Message-ID: <004201cbbe4e$74194210$5c4bc630$@LinkIt.Com>

Actually, yes.  It is IIS, however, I understand there's no server package
for Windows at this time.  No problem, though, since Fire Daemon is working
well for us.

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bj?rnke von
Gierke
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:33 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Build for Server Basics

Uhm... i'm not sure.. do you mean IIS? because rev server is _only_ for web
servers. for a normal file server, you do not need a server edition, because
there you'd need normal standalones.


Rev server currently only works for hosting websites on an apache server.
you can install apache on windows, but rev server does not run there.

On 27 Jan 2011, at 18:12, Ray Horsley wrote:

> Thanks for this explanation.  Our server is Windows 2008.  Do you know 
> where I'd get a similar package for Windows servers?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bj?rnke 
> von Gierke
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:38 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: Build for Server Basics
> 
> you do not need to build a standalone for server. instead, the server 
> is a package that you can install on an apache web server, and then 
> use rev code in an php-like fashion, using rev code in text files that 
> the server interprets.
> 
> On 27 Jan 2011, at 14:44, Ray Horsley wrote:
> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Could anybody point me to some documentation on building standalones 
>> for servers.  I recently purchased the license for it but I don't see 
>> it in the Standalone Application Settings.  I'm wondering what the 
>> benefits are to this approach as compared to, for example, running a 
>> normal standalone under Fire Daemon (which simply assures the app 
>> stays open on the server when you log out).
>> 
>> Any insight appreciated,
>> 
>> Ray Horsley
>> LinkIt! Software
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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> 
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From bvg at mac.com  Thu Jan 27 13:28:47 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:28:47 +0100
Subject: Build for Server Basics
In-Reply-To: <004201cbbe4e$74194210$5c4bc630$@LinkIt.Com>
References: <002101cbbe28$622285b0$26679110$@LinkIt.Com>
	<699B9CFB-FEF2-4CF8-BFFB-778AD3326220@mac.com>
	<003b01cbbe45$668bcd10$33a36730$@LinkIt.Com>
	<D4D1D23E-EFC1-43B5-B3D9-FC468DE34E30@mac.com>
	<004201cbbe4e$74194210$5c4bc630$@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <06155850-C014-4B06-ACC9-BEE415C434B4@mac.com>

oh in that case, you can alternatively also use rev 3.5 as cgi. there have been only some minor changes to the faceless-relevant stuff since then. as a bonus, you'll be able to open stacks and use externals, all in iis. if you do not have 3.5 you can ask support to send it to you (and ask them to create a backlog-download capability while you're at it).

On 27 Jan 2011, at 19:17, Ray Horsley wrote:

> Actually, yes.  It is IIS, however, I understand there's no server package
> for Windows at this time.  No problem, though, since Fire Daemon is working
> well for us.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bj?rnke von
> Gierke
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:33 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: Build for Server Basics
> 
> Uhm... i'm not sure.. do you mean IIS? because rev server is _only_ for web
> servers. for a normal file server, you do not need a server edition, because
> there you'd need normal standalones.
> 
> 
> Rev server currently only works for hosting websites on an apache server.
> you can install apache on windows, but rev server does not run there.
> 
> On 27 Jan 2011, at 18:12, Ray Horsley wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for this explanation.  Our server is Windows 2008.  Do you know 
>> where I'd get a similar package for Windows servers?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bj?rnke 
>> von Gierke
>> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:38 AM
>> To: How to use LiveCode
>> Subject: Re: Build for Server Basics
>> 
>> you do not need to build a standalone for server. instead, the server 
>> is a package that you can install on an apache web server, and then 
>> use rev code in an php-like fashion, using rev code in text files that 
>> the server interprets.
>> 
>> On 27 Jan 2011, at 14:44, Ray Horsley wrote:
>> 
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> Could anybody point me to some documentation on building standalones 
>>> for servers.  I recently purchased the license for it but I don't see 
>>> it in the Standalone Application Settings.  I'm wondering what the 
>>> benefits are to this approach as compared to, for example, running a 
>>> normal standalone under Fire Daemon (which simply assures the app 
>>> stays open on the server when you log out).
>>> 
>>> Any insight appreciated,
>>> 
>>> Ray Horsley
>>> LinkIt! Software
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>> subscription preferences:
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Jan 27 13:34:40 2011
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:34:40 -0700
Subject: irev scripting and libURL
In-Reply-To: <C2A8929B-BC33-4942-B0CB-354C01789502@mac.com>
References: <591A98AE-CCCB-4736-B8A8-801BB6CDFDEA@byu.edu>
	<C2A8929B-BC33-4942-B0CB-354C01789502@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CF3D4DE6-46EE-4B02-8AD3-F952D1CAE0CD@byu.edu>


On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> i remember mark wadd. saying that it uses curl calls on the server, because liburl would need stack loading, which it doesn't have. because of that, it only has a few capabilities compared to liburl. 
> 
> on the other hand, that was more then a year ago, so they might have changed that by now? There where server-specific documentations back then, similar to todays iOS pdf's. maybe you have one of those available?

Yes, I do have that. Thanks for the answer, Bj?ernke. I thought it was something like that.

Devin
> 
> 
> On 27 Jan 2011, at 18:55, Devin Asay wrote:
> 
>> Have searched but can't find the answer to this:
>> 
>> Are libURL calls available in the revServer environment? How is libURL implemented? Is it an external or integrated into the engine?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Devin
>> 
>> 
>> Devin Asay
>> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
>> Brigham Young University
>> 
>> 
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Jan 27 13:56:01 2011
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:56:01 -0500
Subject: On-rev Rename quotes work. Vars don't!
In-Reply-To: <896F9B6B-86FE-4790-BB0A-6B450A6BD915@leftbrainmedia.com>
References: <453511.61296.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<F461F3C9-9763-4DA6-A910-A2CC180DD9F1@all-auctions.com>
	<896F9B6B-86FE-4790-BB0A-6B450A6BD915@leftbrainmedia.com>
Message-ID: <15E4EF5B-DF9D-4DBE-8359-9EF8D102F09D@all-auctions.com>

Hi again,

The following works:

rename "imac27.jpg" "imac2012.jpg"

what's below doesn't work:

put "imac27.jpg" into NameOfOldFile
put "imac2012.jpg" into NameOfNewFile
rename NameOfOldFile NameOfNewFile

also this doesn't work:

put "imac27.jpg" into NameOfOldFile
put "imac2012.jpg" into NameOfNewFile
put quote & NameOfOldFile & quote into NameOfOldFile
put quote & NameOfNewFile & quote into NameOfNewFile
rename NameOfOldFile NameOfNewFile

Unfortunately, I need to be able to use variables as I have
a large number of files I will be renaming, so the simple quotes
solution will not work for me.

Ideas?

Thanks,

Rick



From bvg at mac.com  Thu Jan 27 13:58:58 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:58:58 +0100
Subject: On-rev Rename quotes work. Vars don't!
In-Reply-To: <15E4EF5B-DF9D-4DBE-8359-9EF8D102F09D@all-auctions.com>
References: <453511.61296.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<F461F3C9-9763-4DA6-A910-A2CC180DD9F1@all-auctions.com>
	<896F9B6B-86FE-4790-BB0A-6B450A6BD915@leftbrainmedia.com>
	<15E4EF5B-DF9D-4DBE-8359-9EF8D102F09D@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <E99B01E8-44B9-4FF9-BFA6-1DFC59487F9D@mac.com>

On 27 Jan 2011, at 19:56, Rick Harrison wrote:

> rename "imac27.jpg" "imac2012.jpg"
> 
> what's below doesn't work:
> 
> put "imac27.jpg" into NameOfOldFile
> put "imac2012.jpg" into NameOfNewFile
> rename NameOfOldFile NameOfNewFile


Uhm that's wrong syntax, it should be:

rename NameOfOldFile to NameOfNewFile
rename "imac27.jpg" to  "imac2012.jpg"

maybe that's the problem?



From form at nonsanity.com  Thu Jan 27 14:04:48 2011
From: form at nonsanity.com (form)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:04:48 -0500
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikKUBMt3Dox5wxQVYunpdWMWrEMzvoxZY0uqeoB@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
	<970379.700.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTikKUBMt3Dox5wxQVYunpdWMWrEMzvoxZY0uqeoB@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimv-8acLUgKknPK2wDj1Wr=e7Jjex2g45wvw4og@mail.gmail.com>

Just mulling the thought over... If a substack was tagged as being Threaded,
then it couldn't "see" objects or events outside of itself. It would have
its own event list that runs separately. So if the main stack is in the
middle of a long process, the substack would still be interactive.

The threaded stack CAN see the message list of the mainstack's thread, or at
least it can drop something onto it. That would be how they pass information
between them, sending messages.

So you could make a threaded substack with a progress bar and a Cancel
button. the mainstack can be deep in a single long function, sending
progress update events to the threaded substack. While the mainstack would
be unresponsive to the user - as it would be now - the progress dialog would
still work.

Clicking the Cancel button would send a message to the mainstack, to be
executed when possible. Or while in a long function, the code can check to
see if the cancel event is queued up, and abort early.

The advantage to this method of threading is that it doesn't require the
users to handle resource locking (which is a pain) or require the engine to
have built-in resource locking on EVERY command (which would slow everything
down). It puts the built-in locking in just one place, the message queue.

My example can also be turned around so that the substack is doing the heavy
lifting, and might not even be visible to the user. Probably a better design
pattern. When its done it can send the results of its labors to the
mainstack as an event with parameters. Meanwhile, the mainstack remains
fully interactive to the user.

Anyway, just an idle thought about how to quickly add a very usable version
of threading to LiveCode without major code changes.

 ~ Chris Innanen
 ~ Nonsanity


From form at nonsanity.com  Thu Jan 27 14:15:52 2011
From: form at nonsanity.com (form)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:15:52 -0500
Subject: File naming convention
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikLbmigHNOeBHExe41QLjEKPZVquExNth7WCT=i@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikLbmigHNOeBHExe41QLjEKPZVquExNth7WCT=i@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimF4vB31nCeNBbxfP5mcsbuf_8GWD3+50=VTfzO@mail.gmail.com>

I think the #2 option should be fine. Apple uses the .app extension for
folders, after all. (Not that humans ever see them...)

But how about this:

docs/
    help.txt.dir/
        index.html
        image1.png
    teapot.png.dir/
        index.html

to go with this:

apps/
    help.txt
    teapot.png

That way the names and structure matches, and the doc "folders" are tagged
as such to human eyes. As a bonus you could dump the contents of docs into
apps and there won't be any name conflicts and the items and their doc
folders will alphabetize next to each other. (Though in that case I might go
with .info instead of .dir)

 ~ Chris Innanen
 ~ Nonsanity


On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:11 AM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv>wrote:

> I have the need for an ugly file name hack. I need to store documentation
> about arbitrary files (.html, .png, .livecode etc files) in a separate
> folder (called "docs"). These files will be served by a web server - and
> map
> directly to the original source code files so that a file "hello.txt" with
> correspond to a file named something like:
>
>   1. docs/hello.txt.html
>   2. docs/hello.txt/index.html
>   3. docs/hello_txt/index.html
>
> I can then write simple functions to enable navigation back and forth
> between the documentation and the source code file (in LiveCode or
> JavaScript). The question is how to name the documentation file / folder?
>
> I am leaning towards 2), as a folder allows me to put images and other
> things inside that may be useful to the docs - but it feels mightily
> strange
> to have folders with names that have file extensions! I also don't know how
> well this works on the different (particularly windows based) platforms?
>
> Has anyone any tips on how best to name a path that works on all platforms,
> and can be mapped back to the source file with a simple reliable function?
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Jan 27 14:48:32 2011
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:48:32 -0500
Subject: On-rev Rename quotes work. Vars don't!
In-Reply-To: <15E4EF5B-DF9D-4DBE-8359-9EF8D102F09D@all-auctions.com>
References: <453511.61296.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<F461F3C9-9763-4DA6-A910-A2CC180DD9F1@all-auctions.com>
	<896F9B6B-86FE-4790-BB0A-6B450A6BD915@leftbrainmedia.com>
	<15E4EF5B-DF9D-4DBE-8359-9EF8D102F09D@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <1E55D729-98CC-40F8-B047-4D8D62615741@all-auctions.com>

Hi Richard,

The addition of the "to" keyword surprisingly made even
what was working stop working!  The bug needs to be
fixed or the dictionary updated or both.

Tim's suggestion of building the entire statement, and
then executing it as a "do" command worked great!
Thanks Tim for the great work around!!!

Does anyone else want to figure this puzzle out?

Thanks for your help guys!

Rick



On Jan 27, 2011, at 1:59 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> On 1/27/11 10:56 AM, Rick Harrison wrote:
>> Hi again,
>> 
>> The following works:
>> 
>> rename "imac27.jpg" "imac2012.jpg"
> 
> Curious that it works at all; the dictionary says it needs the "to" keyword between the files:
> 
> rename "imac27.jpg" to "imac2012.jpg"
> 
> I wonder if adding the "to" keyword will let your code work with vars....
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin

(snip)

> i wonder if as a work around you could build the complete statement:
> 
>> rename "imac27.jpg" "imac2012.jpg"
> 
> Then use a DO command.
> 
> 
> Tim Bobo



From form at nonsanity.com  Thu Jan 27 12:55:14 2011
From: form at nonsanity.com (form)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:55:14 -0500
Subject: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <4D41A123.9040704@gmail.com>
References: <90E32952-4C0B-417D-B1AB-07831540E900@wanadoo.fr>
	<1094AD94-E6E5-4D43-9FBF-F54EE04E68BD@economy-x-talk.com>
	<B32D61C8-4273-4B62-A34F-AC428E52712A@mac.com>
	<4D40966E.7040003@eml.cc>
	<95F3C093-7FBC-49B5-AF4F-09C8E7701093@twft.com>
	<4D41A123.9040704@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikbeTvXWxwDg43VdykSTD4UGjKKiAYaU3=qpxEZ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>>  We "purists" preferred the TV series; especially the bit with Hot Black
> De Satio.


*Makes a all-black interface to his next LiveCode app in honor of Adams*

 ~ Chris Innanen
 ~ Nonsanity


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu Jan 27 14:56:22 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:56:22 +0100
Subject: On-rev Rename quotes work. Vars don't!
In-Reply-To: <1E55D729-98CC-40F8-B047-4D8D62615741@all-auctions.com>
References: <453511.61296.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<F461F3C9-9763-4DA6-A910-A2CC180DD9F1@all-auctions.com>
	<896F9B6B-86FE-4790-BB0A-6B450A6BD915@leftbrainmedia.com>
	<15E4EF5B-DF9D-4DBE-8359-9EF8D102F09D@all-auctions.com>
	<1E55D729-98CC-40F8-B047-4D8D62615741@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <35485437-EFF2-41EB-ADA6-FBFE043A3567@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Rick,

> Hi Richard,
> 
> The addition of the "to" keyword surprisingly made even
> what was working stop working!  The bug needs to be
> fixed or the dictionary updated or both.
> 
> Tim's suggestion of building the entire statement, and
> then executing it as a "do" command worked great!
> Thanks Tim for the great work around!!!
> 
> Does anyone else want to figure this puzzle out?
> 
> Thanks for your help guys!

the correct syntax is:
rename FILE "xyz" to "zyx"
or 
rename FOLDER "xyz" to "zyx"

I have been using this for years in desktop apps withput problems.

> Rick

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From ray at linkit.com  Thu Jan 27 15:32:46 2011
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:32:46 -0500
Subject: Build for Server Basics
In-Reply-To: <06155850-C014-4B06-ACC9-BEE415C434B4@mac.com>
References: <002101cbbe28$622285b0$26679110$@LinkIt.Com>	<699B9CFB-FEF2-4CF8-BFFB-778AD3326220@mac.com>	<003b01cbbe45$668bcd10$33a36730$@LinkIt.Com>	<D4D1D23E-EFC1-43B5-B3D9-FC468DE34E30@mac.com>	<004201cbbe4e$74194210$5c4bc630$@LinkIt.Com>
	<06155850-C014-4B06-ACC9-BEE415C434B4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <005201cbbe61$5befabd0$13cf0370$@LinkIt.Com>

Many thanks for this helpful information!

Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bj?rnke von
Gierke
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:29 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Build for Server Basics

oh in that case, you can alternatively also use rev 3.5 as cgi. there have
been only some minor changes to the faceless-relevant stuff since then. as a
bonus, you'll be able to open stacks and use externals, all in iis. if you
do not have 3.5 you can ask support to send it to you (and ask them to
create a backlog-download capability while you're at it).

On 27 Jan 2011, at 19:17, Ray Horsley wrote:

> Actually, yes.  It is IIS, however, I understand there's no server 
> package for Windows at this time.  No problem, though, since Fire 
> Daemon is working well for us.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bj?rnke 
> von Gierke
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:33 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: Build for Server Basics
> 
> Uhm... i'm not sure.. do you mean IIS? because rev server is _only_ 
> for web servers. for a normal file server, you do not need a server 
> edition, because there you'd need normal standalones.
> 
> 
> Rev server currently only works for hosting websites on an apache server.
> you can install apache on windows, but rev server does not run there.
> 
> On 27 Jan 2011, at 18:12, Ray Horsley wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for this explanation.  Our server is Windows 2008.  Do you 
>> know where I'd get a similar package for Windows servers?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bj?rnke 
>> von Gierke
>> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:38 AM
>> To: How to use LiveCode
>> Subject: Re: Build for Server Basics
>> 
>> you do not need to build a standalone for server. instead, the server 
>> is a package that you can install on an apache web server, and then 
>> use rev code in an php-like fashion, using rev code in text files 
>> that the server interprets.
>> 
>> On 27 Jan 2011, at 14:44, Ray Horsley wrote:
>> 
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> Could anybody point me to some documentation on building standalones 
>>> for servers.  I recently purchased the license for it but I don't 
>>> see it in the Standalone Application Settings.  I'm wondering what 
>>> the benefits are to this approach as compared to, for example, 
>>> running a normal standalone under Fire Daemon (which simply assures 
>>> the app stays open on the server when you log out).
>>> 
>>> Any insight appreciated,
>>> 
>>> Ray Horsley
>>> LinkIt! Software
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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From claudi.c at fiberworld.nl  Thu Jan 27 17:15:37 2011
From: claudi.c at fiberworld.nl (Claudi Cornaz)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:15:37 +0100
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <144894070781.20110126170803@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5999DFD6-2D54-49DB-BC02-7D9A45FDCC59@mac.com>
	<B1795AB9-3625-493D-A834-8E938402B406@mac.com>
	<4D326692.4030608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<91922909312.20110115193759@ahsoftware.net>
	<54A0D51B-A519-4638-91B9-61AB40430397@mac.com>
	<ABE7BB00-8B07-4C66-8DD8-8D00E9ED6A67@mac.com>
	<335D8D54-CA85-40EF-9896-2AD10C881F6C@mac.com>
	<B4AE1DAC-50A2-4373-BCFE-31307835978F@mac.com>
	<5B69DB4B-E3F4-42C9-BF1A-14CD88AEE3FE@fiberworld.nl>
	<6F561D1F-5456-486A-B4B7-47864F794B33@mac.com>
	<B9C5400E-3646-42C0-8D90-5484C008F3B5@pacifier.com>
	<7B64D11E-B24F-4315-96A7-07C657FD66CF@mac.com>
	<49E8ECD2-FBF2-404F-94E0-9ACEF1DD8ED0@pacifier.com>
	<8719D931-E225-4A40-BB29-4431ED9D0C40@mac.com>
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Hi all yea,

17.23 CET. Finaly we have contact!!!!

12345678
   /    1296144957195
12345678
   /    1296144957802
12345678
   /    1296144958107
12345678
   /    1296144958412
12345678
   /    1296144959018
12345678
   /    1296144959322
12345678
   /    1296144959629

data kept on comming. Now I knew there was life outthere. WE finaly had contact.

Marks mail set me thinking.
>  Well, from a quick look at things, I'd say you started a script that
> did a "repeat until EOF" and LC crashed trying to allocate memory
> space for the read. That is Not a Good Thing.

Well I didn't have a repeat loop in my code, so where could it be.
I had used read from driver "xxx" until end. I had somewhere read in the dictionairi to use the "until end" part for serial ports. There is on the other hand another form to read the driver which is like"  "for x" . Like read for 3  (read 3 chars) or read for 1 line  etc. This gives the exact number of bytes to read. No loop or repeat is required. There is a specific offset, whereas the "until x" form most likely will use a repeat loop some where in it's code. probably that's the culprit. 
Well there is a bit more going on. Uptill now I have found one "mAGIc"  form which seems to work on OS 10.5 and 10.6 in a stable manner. This means I can drag the window 
around and LC still responds to clicks in the way it should,instantaniously.

step one, open the connection with: 
open driver "/dev/cu.usbmodemxxx" text for update     -- xx is the version of driver that was installed. 
 -- don't use binary since it will hang LC, at least it did on, I beliefe, both of my systems. 
 -- use update for 2 way communication.

then use a send in time form to see if there's data. As far as I know there isn't a serialAvailable kind of thingy so just read the serial port and see if you got something. Do this like:

on serialRead
   read from driver "/dev/cu.usbmodem3d11" for 1 line      -- the arduino scetch repeatly sends Serial.println("12345678")  with a cr with each send
   -- or 8 (chars) or something similar. [see dictionary and try at your personal risk]
   if it <> "" then
      -- ok we have some data. for now put it into a field. 
      put it & "   /   " & the millisecs into fld "recieved"  
   end if

   send serialRead to me in 20 
end serialRead

If you use a "until end | eof | empty" instead of read from driver "/dev/cu.usbmodem3d11" for 1 line 
LC will choke and in my case a hard crash.

There is a second problem solved aswell. I was able to send 1 char at a time with 10.5. I wasn't able to send more chars at a time.
The strange thing was I needed to send out a char before I would see anything returned. As soon as a char was send the input buffer 
was read and I saw suddenly quite some data in one go. This also happened when I send 2 or more chars from the arduino but then 
LC would hang and dye. Probably the first time the serialRead cal got invoked with the "until x" form something in the engine became 
a bit upset, which wasn't to bad as long as it only recieved a char at the time. With 2 chars at the time or worse even more, it just blew. 
It couldn't cope anymore. It just needs to get ver specific instructions otherwise it just spaces out on all posi bi   li    ty    's.
Anyway as I was saying, once I used the "for x" form as soon as I opend the driver data started streaming in like at the beginning of this mail. 
I still have to do some more testing because in my tests I also found some kind of intermittend forms. The data kept comming in but LC had becom unresponsif. 
I couldn't move my window around or click on buttons etc. This forced me to force quit. So although I haven't figured it all out yet, this seems very promissing 
and I will upload my test stack to revOnline as soon as I have it a bit decent. 
I hope this turns out to be a universal solution, for now at least. I believe these driver/file commands need a tune up. 
I guess it would be a good thing for me to do, is to add a comment in the dictionary

I will do some more testing but It looks like there is a workourand and we can all start using the fascinating world of micro conrollers.
For me this is very funny. I started out prying open / cq smashing valves as a young kid. Then I started playing with transistors, building 
all kinds of stuff. Then came the first logic chips. AND OR EXOR multivabrator, clocks, dividers. This became some kind of new lego for me. 
I could build all kinds of stuff with these building blocks. I devised my own cheap mans universal mega breadboard sometime in the 70's. 
It was a graet system. Take a wooden plank about 80cm X 35 cm and make a lot of little circuitboards which can hold one IC socked and 
have little strips of copper pointing outwards. The sockets were mounted so the copper would be facing up. Wherever you needed a some logic 
just screw one of these little circuit boards in the plank and solder wires to connected to the other ic. I made a system to sync up my film projector 
with my revox. I could just hit rewind on my revox and my filmprojector would start playing the film in reverse to try to catch up with my revox. 
Naturaly it always lost. The revox would start playing again and the flm would rewind till it found the right spot and start playing normally again. 
I had never made a schematic of it but just builded it on the go, the way my ideas flowed and need arose.This masive plank with all these little 
boards strewn all ove,r with some buttons and meters as a cenral block somewhere in the middle, wires in all colors going all over the place. 
Sometimes using a unused AND gate half way across the plank because space was getting at a prenium as the project unfolded and became
more complex by the week. It worked great and once I even managed to repair it when rehearsing for a show with dancers all dressed in white 
performing in front of a film I made. The plank, by the way that realy is the name that was given to this contraption I had created, refused to work 
as it should. All he dancers where there, I was there with the revox, my projector and my film. Just like life, sometimes things don't work. 
Well the plank certainly was broken. Looking through it's bowels I found a loose wire somewhere in the mesh of wires which was like a some
kind of funghis all over the plank , which obviously wasn't meant to be. I could deduce, and see the empty spot on the ic where it should have been. 
I didn't have any tools with me but fortunatly there was a kitchen wit a gas stove. I also found a very big nail, which I could heat on the stove and use 
it to weld the wire back in place. This worked out beatifully. This was really a, perhaps mixedup, chaotic, absolutly impossible, but beatiful and robust system. 
I still keep it as a trofy. It looks like with LC and the arduino I may finally do the stuff I used to dream of, so I better start those dreams up again.

Now with all those new lego like computer-pieces, which we can interface with LC, creates a really fascinating new world of possibility's.
All kind of practical 'real world' applications can be designed. The arduino is just one of the many new devices out there, altought the arduino 
does come with a rather  a nice IDE and a variaty of library's and hardware ad-ons. Beside that from what I understand, and I am just a noob,
 a clomplete freshman in this, they have a project called firmata. The goal of firmata is to expose all pins of the arduino to the computer 
it's connected to, without you having to program the micro conroller. As far as I understand this means load the frimata software on the 
arduino connect the arduino to your computer and you can acces and assign all pins of the arduino without programming one line
 of code on the arduino. Nice. Also really educational. You can control all kinds of stuff with just LC for the programming.

Please, everybody with a arduino try this and see if we can get this working on all systems. 

Sorry for the long mail but I guess, if you made till here, you must have kind of liked it. 
For me, being a long time reader and fan of this list, this seemed like a nice way to introduce myself a bit.

I'll keep posting my further tests and in the mean time,

Best wishes,
   Claudi









On 27 jan 2011, at 02:08, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Claudi-
> 
> Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 2:48:22 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> Thread 0 Crashed:
>> 0   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x91ddde42 __kill + 10
>> 1   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x91e5023a raise + 26
>> 2   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x91e5c622 __abort + 97
>> 3   libSystem.B.dylib                   0x91e5c68a _cproc_fork_child + 0
>> 4   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x92049005 0x92001000 + 294917
>> 5   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x9204710c __gxx_personality_v0 + 1108
>> 6   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x9204714b std::terminate() + 29
>> 7   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x92047261 __cxa_throw + 101
>> 8   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x920475d8 operator new(unsigned long) + 100
>> 9   libstdc++.6.dylib                   0x92047689 operator new[](unsigned long) + 17
>> 10  com.runrev.livecode                 0x000a3048
>> MCExecPoint::getbuffer(unsigned int) + 56
>> 11  com.runrev.livecode                 0x00141134
>> IO_read_to_eof(IO_header*, MCExecPoint&) + 52
>> 12  com.runrev.livecode                 0x0006d3bb
>> MCRead::exec(MCExecPoint&) + 2555
>> 13  com.runrev.livecode                 0x00103a64
>> MCHandler::doscript(MCExecPoint&, unsigned short, unsigned short) +
> 
> Well, from a quick look at things, I'd say you started a script that
> did a "repeat until EOF" and LC crashed trying to allocate memory
> space for the read. That is Not a Good Thing.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Jan 27 17:19:19 2011
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:19:19 -0500
Subject: On-rev Rename quotes work. Vars don't!
In-Reply-To: <35485437-EFF2-41EB-ADA6-FBFE043A3567@major.on-rev.com>
References: <453511.61296.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<F461F3C9-9763-4DA6-A910-A2CC180DD9F1@all-auctions.com>
	<896F9B6B-86FE-4790-BB0A-6B450A6BD915@leftbrainmedia.com>
	<15E4EF5B-DF9D-4DBE-8359-9EF8D102F09D@all-auctions.com>
	<1E55D729-98CC-40F8-B047-4D8D62615741@all-auctions.com>
	<35485437-EFF2-41EB-ADA6-FBFE043A3567@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <2C9A2B44-48A4-42F6-9DFA-B3F87DE94295@all-auctions.com>

Hi Klaus,

I started out using the correct syntax with FILE, and it
didn't work on On-Rev.

I've verified that the pathname is correct.

rename FILE "xyz" to "zyx"

works fine on On-Rev

however:

put "xyz" into MyOldFileName
put "zyx" into MyNewFileName

rename FILE MyOldFileName to MyNewFileName

does not work on On-Rev.  It yields the error:  "can't rename file".

Try it yourself on On-Rev, and see if you can duplicate the error.

Thanks for your help!

Rick

On Jan 27, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> Hi Rick,
> 
> the correct syntax is:
> rename FILE "xyz" to "zyx"
> or 
> rename FOLDER "xyz" to "zyx"
> 
> I have been using this for years in desktop apps withput problems.
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
> 
> 





From jhj at jhj.com  Thu Jan 27 17:39:34 2011
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:39:34 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <177E56DA-6579-4249-94C0-436CA3D2B356@fiberworld.nl>
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Message-ID: <BC7809F1-D6F0-47C0-B35B-FFAEAAFC6DF0@jhj.com>

On Jan 27, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Claudi Cornaz wrote:

> Hi all yea,
> 
> 17.23 CET. Finaly we have contact!!!!

Congratulations! Just in time for me. I'm just about to have to hook up to two serial devices in a project to replace a HC stack that has been running for about 12 years on a PowerBook G3 Pismo out in a blockhouse on a ranch. Those things run forever! I'm replacing it with another Pismo that I made like new from maybe 4 other donors. I'll obviously be running OSX 10.4, so we'll we if that has any surprises for us!

Onward!
--Jerry Jensen





From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu Jan 27 17:54:33 2011
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:54:33 +0100
Subject: On-rev Rename quotes work. Vars don't!
In-Reply-To: <2C9A2B44-48A4-42F6-9DFA-B3F87DE94295@all-auctions.com>
References: <453511.61296.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<F461F3C9-9763-4DA6-A910-A2CC180DD9F1@all-auctions.com>
	<896F9B6B-86FE-4790-BB0A-6B450A6BD915@leftbrainmedia.com>
	<15E4EF5B-DF9D-4DBE-8359-9EF8D102F09D@all-auctions.com>
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Message-ID: <23AF49A9-7B5C-43B6-B745-3F37A4316A1F@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Rick,

> Hi Klaus,
> 
> I started out using the correct syntax with FILE, and it
> didn't work on On-Rev.
> 
> I've verified that the pathname is correct.
> 
> rename FILE "xyz" to "zyx"
> 
> works fine on On-Rev
> 
> however:
> 
> put "xyz" into MyOldFileName
> put "zyx" into MyNewFileName
> 
> rename FILE MyOldFileName to MyNewFileName
> does not work on On-Rev.  It yields the error:  "can't rename file".
> Try it yourself on On-Rev, and see if you can duplicate the error.

I have no need to rename my files :-D

> Thanks for your help!

are you sure that the path is correct?
Maybe the defaultfolder is not correct?
Did you try with an abolute path?

> Rick

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com




From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Jan 27 20:34:25 2011
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 01:34:25 +0000
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <4D41A123.9040704@gmail.com>
References: <90E32952-4C0B-417D-B1AB-07831540E900@wanadoo.fr>	<1094AD94-E6E5-4D43-9FBF-F54EE04E68BD@economy-x-talk.com>	<B32D61C8-4273-4B62-A34F-AC428E52712A@mac.com>	<4D40966E.7040003@eml.cc>	<95F3C093-7FBC-49B5-AF4F-09C8E7701093@twft.com>
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Surely a purist would prefer the original, i.e. the radio series.

-- Alex.

On 27/01/2011 16:45, Richmond wrote:
> On 01/27/2011 12:22 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> I liked the movie better than the book. The movie had a nice love 
>> story and all ended well. The book dropped you off in a decidedly 
>> unfriendly section of the slums of Norganza on planet FriedZig 
>> without any explanation. Or did I dream that?
>>
>> Bob
>>
> We "purists" preferred the TV series; especially the bit with Hot 
> Black De Satio.
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Jan 27 21:06:18 2011
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:06:18 -0500
Subject: On-rev Rename quotes work. Vars don't!
In-Reply-To: <4D41F34D.1010603@fourthworld.com>
References: <453511.61296.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>	<F461F3C9-9763-4DA6-A910-A2CC180DD9F1@all-auctions.com>	<896F9B6B-86FE-4790-BB0A-6B450A6BD915@leftbrainmedia.com>	<15E4EF5B-DF9D-4DBE-8359-9EF8D102F09D@all-auctions.com>	<1E55D729-98CC-40F8-B047-4D8D62615741@all-auctions.com>	<4D41CD38.8000204@fourthworld.com>
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Message-ID: <5A41501D-C86B-4BD1-9C39-1964C0A43E30@all-auctions.com>

Hi Richard & Klaus,

I set the default folder to the correct path
before the rename statement.  I've checked it,
and it is correct.  I've also tried to fully qualify
the path name for both variables.  It still doesn't work.

Someone other than myself should try to reproduce
the error on On-Rev when they get the chance.  
For now the work around with the "Do" command is fine.

Thanks guys!

Rick

On Jan 27, 2011, at 5:35 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> On 1/27/11 2:11 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>> 
>> The paths are valid.
>> 
>> The value of "the result" was "can't rename file"
>> 
>> SysError() was "2"
> 
> 2 = "file not found":
> <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms681382%28v=vs.85%29.aspx>
> 
> Since you're using short paths, you might try checking that the default folder is what you'd expect it to be.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jan 27 21:49:19 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:49:19 -0800
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <177E56DA-6579-4249-94C0-436CA3D2B356@fiberworld.nl>
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Message-ID: <8986545984.20110127184919@ahsoftware.net>

Claudi-

Congratulations on getting this working. And that's quite a story. I
see a bright future ahead for LiveCode-Arduino cyborgs.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 28 00:46:44 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:46:44 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <8986545984.20110127184919@ahsoftware.net>
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Well, Claudi and I have been very busy sharing code snippets and stories and what not and I have also come to most of the same conclusions as he has. The problem is definitely in the "until EOF" "until empty" etc. and in trying to access the serial buffer. My solution is a little different and it seems we are both getting some real data back. The main thing that seems to be a work around is to simulate a software Flow Control by having the Arduino Uno wait to read a char and then send it's data back. Then LC can read with out hanging up on the buffer.

I have a photo resistor hooked up to analog input pin 2 and code to read the analog data and send it out to LC only when an "A" is received. I put the code into different fields in LC and then a do command to run (so no mouseUps etc. here):

To get the port I use Marks method to get the /dev/cu.usbmodem1a21 on my machine and put it into thePort also with this method of Flow Control there is a slight time delay on starting the data send to get back results but the board doesn't reset as before so this is good and it is a slight delay just to do the handshake.  

To open the port:
put "BAUD=" & "9600" & " PARITY="& "N" & " DATA=" & "8" & " STOP=" & "1"  into tSerial -- Typical setup
set the serialControlString to tSerial
put the result into field "Results" -- Empty is good
open driver thePort for text update -- binary will hard crash the cu
put the result after field "Results" -- Empty is good

For a simple one time read of three values and a return i.e. 489\r :
write "A" & CR to driver thePort -- Flow Control
wait 25
read from driver thePort for 4 char -- Empty buffer and collect data
put it after field "Data"

For a continuous read:
-- Wake up the Arduino
 write "A" & CR to driver thePort -- Flow Control
 wait 25 -- Additional time may remove the extra line of data shown below
 read from driver thePort for 4 chars -- Just clear the buffer - no need for data at this time

 repeat until it is empty -- no hang continuous loop
        if the mouse is down then exit repeat -- hold mouse to interrupt the Flow Control
        write "A" & cr to driver thePort -- Flow Control
        wait 1
        read from driver thePort for 4 chars -- This time we do want the data and process it as it comes in - very smooth
        put it into theData
        if the last char of theData is LF then delete the last char of theData -- Clean up so it is all on one line to see better
        if the last char of theData is CR then delete the last char of theData -- Clean up so it is all on one line to see better
        put  theData & comma & " "  after field "Data" -- Output so it is all on one line to see better
        set the vscroll of field "Data" to 6000 -- Not needed if all on one line
    end repeat

To close the port, of course:
close driver thePort

----------------- ARDUINO CODE for Flow Control -----------------
//Language: Arduino
 //Reads one analog input and outputs the value
 //Connections: analog sensors on analog input pin 2

int lightSensor = 2;
int lightValue = 0; 

void setup() { 
  Serial.begin(9600);   // configure the serial connection: 
  pinMode(lightSensor, INPUT);   // configure the digital input:

  while (Serial.available() <= 0) {
    delay(500);
    Serial.println("A");
    delay(300);
  }
}

void loop() { 
  // check to see whether there is a byte available to read in the serial buffer:
  if (Serial.available() > 0) {
    // read the serial buffer: we don't care about the value now of the incoming byte,
    // just that one was sent and removed from buffer:
    int inByte = Serial.read();  // Serial.peek() will leave the byte untouched
    
    lightValue = analogRead(lightSensor);  // read the analog sensors: 
    Serial.println(lightValue, DEC);  // send the value to LiveCode
  }
}


The first Serial.println("A"); is sending out a call to serial so that it can be received by LC when an "A" is sent from LC

Output looks like this (The A's are the Flow Control) -- Notice that he first line is left over in the buffer and then the rest is real time results as I place my hand over the photosensor Lower numbers are darker. A Serial.flush() may help in cleaning up the first line but it is easy enough to count how many chars in a line and know that it is not continous :

AA
4 489 
485 487 488 486 490 490 485 490 491 486 490 488 490 488 486 493 486 492 490 486 492 491 487 487 490 492 487 487 488 490 491 486 491 486 490 487 491 485 491 486 492 486 490 487 489 489 489 487 489 489 491 489 489 345 270 192 156 135 87 53 38 35 32 30 29 27 25 23 22 25 56 162 210 243 260 288 365 463 482 482 488 485 485 491 484 491 488 489 490 487 489 490 

mouseDown

Still would like a way to wake from incoming serial input but that is next up in the Arduino Uno saga.


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 27, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Claudi-
> 
> Congratulations on getting this working. And that's quite a story. I
> see a bright future ahead for LiveCode-Arduino cyborgs.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 28 00:52:27 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:52:27 -0500
Subject: usb driver problem
In-Reply-To: <E9B5EA3A-A721-4503-A125-2D56FE9D55BF@mac.com>
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Minor correction:
 put  theData & comma & " "  after field "Data" -- Output so it is all on one line to see better
is now just:
put theData & " " after field "Data" -- no comma needed



-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 28, 2011, at 12:46 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

>  put  theData & comma & " "  after field "Data" -- Output so it is all on one line to see better




From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 00:54:12 2011
From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:54:12 -0600
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimv-8acLUgKknPK2wDj1Wr=e7Jjex2g45wvw4og@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
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I'd suggest coroutines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coroutine

They have the advantage of being fairly similar to what some of us have done
already with send.in to get this sort of behavior, and probably wouldn't
break existing syntax.


From massung at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 02:16:21 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:16:21 -0700
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimULkP-3xK=O0Ap54hde=iCXQe5sUoiKbMGUuiZ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Jan 27, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote:

> I'd suggest coroutines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coroutine
> 
> They have the advantage of being fairly similar to what some of us have done
> already with send.in to get this sort of behavior, and probably wouldn't
> break existing syntax.


Coroutines have absolutely no advantage over what's already provided by LC. There's zero difference between saying "yield()" and "wait 0 ticks with messages". 

The purpose of mutli-threading is to take advantage of one or more of the following: a completely separate hardware thread (program/code runs 100% in parallel with another program/set of code - the only bottlenecks being memory and I/O) or preemptive threading, typically by way of hyper-threading on a single hardware thread (basically letting the hardware or OS decide when to context switch for you).

Sorry. :-(

Jeff M.




From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 03:18:02 2011
From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 02:18:02 -0600
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <A145600F-C978-4A79-903C-0D97EAC16F92@gmail.com>
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The example given at wikipedia makes it obvious that this isn't true.
Coroutines are inherently stateful. Managing that by hand using wait 0 ticks
with messages is a disaster. I've done it.

As one brief example, suppose you have two lists that need to be processed
simultaneously. With coroutines you could use repeat for each line L in
whatever for each of the routines. With wait 0 ticks you would have to break
both lists up into arrays ahead of time or otherwise pay the performance
penalty.

Yes, threading and coroutines are not the same things. There are advantages
to threads, but as has already been pointed out, there are significant
disadvantages as well. Coroutines would enable many techniques that today
are awkward or impossible, with seemingly minimal muss and fuss.

gc



On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Jeffrey Massung <massung at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Jan 27, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote:
>
> > I'd suggest coroutines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coroutine
> >
> > They have the advantage of being fairly similar to what some of us have
> done
> > already with send.in to get this sort of behavior, and probably wouldn't
> > break existing syntax.
>
>
> Coroutines have absolutely no advantage over what's already provided by LC.
> There's zero difference between saying "yield()" and "wait 0 ticks with
> messages".
>
> The purpose of mutli-threading is to take advantage of one or more of the
> following: a completely separate hardware thread (program/code runs 100% in
> parallel with another program/set of code - the only bottlenecks being
> memory and I/O) or preemptive threading, typically by way of hyper-threading
> on a single hardware thread (basically letting the hardware or OS decide
> when to context switch for you).
>
> Sorry. :-(
>
> Jeff M.
>
>
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan 28 03:54:40 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:54:40 +0000
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimv-8acLUgKknPK2wDj1Wr=e7Jjex2g45wvw4og@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Chris - I'd agree with this way of thinking about things for
multi-threading. I think it is intuitive, I don't think that restricting any
threaded code to it's own stack will cause any real limitations, and is
probably good practice. I do think conceptually it gives us a solid visual
metaphor of what is going on and how we can use messages to communicate
between processes.

My thoughts on this would be absolutely not to reveal the internal message
list of stacks, but rather use explicit "send" / dispatch syntax possibly
with some specific new system messages. I think the more radically the
internals of the thread are shielded from the rest of the environment the
better.

Finally I'd say we can do this already, without any changes to the existing
engine, simply by using multiple compiled apps within the existing IDE set
up. That way we get full threaded implementation with each thread running in
it's own process. All we need to add is some minimal message handling
support by the way of a standard library and a port
mapper<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_mapper>
.

Ok - each thread may be 1mb or so larger in size than "needed" - but such
RAM requirements only rule out a subset of applications. Later RunRev can
add smaller footprint multithreading using the stack metaphor and existing
syntax, which would enable larger thread pools in server applications and so
forth.

Using the StackRunner / glxApp framework approach it would be entirely
possible for dynamic creation of threads simply by duplicating a standard
engine - stacks can be launched by these dynamic pools of engines, and
indeed be created on one process and used by another.

I can see no reason at all not to use the operating system to provide
threads in their own OS processes, as indeed other (low level) architectures
do. We can start simple, and produce useful multi-threaded additions to the
IDE and distributed applications without needing to wait for engine
enhancements. RunRev can pick up on this and help optimise things - but
there is nothing stopping us doing this in a fully robust way right now. All
our environments would be dramatically enhanced if we ran the IDE using
multiple engines - people are doing it already in a haphazard way. Trevor
and others like to run a separate engine for packaging apps - PowerDebug and
tRev (now something horsey) use this method to debug and edit scripts. A few
tweaks and we could all do this easily with existing syntax.

Or have I missed something. Anything wrong with the above?


On 27 January 2011 19:04, form <form at nonsanity.com> wrote:

> Just mulling the thought over... If a substack was tagged as being
> Threaded,
> then it couldn't "see" objects or events outside of itself. It would have
> its own event list that runs separately. So if the main stack is in the
> middle of a long process, the substack would still be interactive.
>
> The threaded stack CAN see the message list of the mainstack's thread, or
> at
> least it can drop something onto it. That would be how they pass
> information
> between them, sending messages.
>
> So you could make a threaded substack with a progress bar and a Cancel
> button. the mainstack can be deep in a single long function, sending
> progress update events to the threaded substack. While the mainstack would
> be unresponsive to the user - as it would be now - the progress dialog
> would
> still work.
>
> Clicking the Cancel button would send a message to the mainstack, to be
> executed when possible. Or while in a long function, the code can check to
> see if the cancel event is queued up, and abort early.
>
> The advantage to this method of threading is that it doesn't require the
> users to handle resource locking (which is a pain) or require the engine to
> have built-in resource locking on EVERY command (which would slow
> everything
> down). It puts the built-in locking in just one place, the message queue.
>
> My example can also be turned around so that the substack is doing the
> heavy
> lifting, and might not even be visible to the user. Probably a better
> design
> pattern. When its done it can send the results of its labors to the
> mainstack as an event with parameters. Meanwhile, the mainstack remains
> fully interactive to the user.
>
> Anyway, just an idle thought about how to quickly add a very usable version
> of threading to LiveCode without major code changes.
>
>  ~ Chris Innanen
>  ~ Nonsanity
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From katir at hindu.org  Fri Jan 28 04:06:53 2011
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:06:53 -1000
Subject: Web PlugIn Install Fails because it thinks a browser is active (not)
Message-ID: <4D42872D.5050102@hindu.org>

  I doing some testing of the web browser plug in here among our small 
group of 20.

This is all on Mac OS X 10.6.6

The good news is, someone was prompted that they had an old version of 
the browser plug in and they need to update.

The bad news is, when they clicked OK, the installer did something (they 
think) but gave zero feed back so the user was left with that "gee, did 
it really work?" feeling.

Subsequently the stack I deployed did work for him, so he assumed the 
upgrade ran. But the installer really needs to have a visual feed back 
mechanism and a "success" dialog at the end of the upgrade (assuming it 
actually did upgrade otherwise the stack may have been running on the 
old version of the plug in)

Second User writes me saying:

"The plugin won't install. Says I have a browser open (I don't, same 
issue even after a reboot).

Oh well. Could have been neat!"

Sivakatirswami








From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Jan 28 06:25:26 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:25:26 +0100
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event #8
Message-ID: <53BE8295-0C5D-4ABA-B4A8-D31A5983A85B@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi everybody,

This Saturday, 29 January 2010 at 19:00h GMT (Sat. 22:00 in Moscow, Sat. 20:00 in Paris, Sat. 14:00 in New York, Sat. 11:00 in Los Angeles, Sun. 04:00 in Tokyo, Sun. 3:00 in Beijing), the 8th edition of the Live LiveCode Event will go live. Bj?rnke will be unavailable and I'm taking up the challenge of organising the event this time.

Kresten Bjerg will talk about his Phenomenalog project, a personal electronic diary created with LiveCode. Chris Innanen will discuss RESTful web API's and will demonstrate some applications he worked on that use them. David Bovil will wrap it up with Sockets and threads the simple way.

Direct links to the video presentations will be available at http://livecode.tv shortly before the event starts. Provided that the presenters will record their presentations, videos and materials will be available afterwards.

During the event, there will be discussions about LiveCode and an opportunity to ask the speakers questions on ChatRev. You can find ChatRev at http://bjoernke.com/chatrev .

If you log in on ChatRev during the event, you will be able to buy the Installer Maker Plugin for LiveCode at a 25% discount. 

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/ce




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 06:34:41 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:34:41 +0200
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <4D421D21.1030009@tweedly.net>
References: <90E32952-4C0B-417D-B1AB-07831540E900@wanadoo.fr>	<1094AD94-E6E5-4D43-9FBF-F54EE04E68BD@economy-x-talk.com>	<B32D61C8-4273-4B62-A34F-AC428E52712A@mac.com>	<4D40966E.7040003@eml.cc>	<95F3C093-7FBC-49B5-AF4F-09C8E7701093@twft.com>	<4D41A123.9040704@gmail.com>
	<4D421D21.1030009@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <4D42A9D1.7000003@gmail.com>

On 01/28/2011 03:34 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
> Surely a purist would prefer the original, i.e. the radio series.

Well; that is like purists preferring Hypercard over Metacard (no 
colour, no cross-platform);
one can carry one's purity too far  . . .  :)

>
> -- Alex.
>
> On 27/01/2011 16:45, Richmond wrote:
>> On 01/27/2011 12:22 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> I liked the movie better than the book. The movie had a nice love 
>>> story and all ended well. The book dropped you off in a decidedly 
>>> unfriendly section of the slums of Norganza on planet FriedZig 
>>> without any explanation. Or did I dream that?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>> We "purists" preferred the TV series; especially the bit with Hot 
>> Black De Satio.
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 28 08:03:49 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:03:49 -0200
Subject: [OT] Friday morning humor
Message-ID: <AANLkTikE6J+2uRyrNk+J4A81RgHuPMC+gSGbO8YfVU0F@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

Since it is friday and we're all tired and deserving some refreshment, I
share with you the following mock cover for the upcoming O'Reilly book:

http://www.angryduck.com/pictures/2010_11/Coding_Drunk.jpg

This could be a new methodology, while it may lack the momentum of agile and
scrum-stuff, it is definitely a tradition in many places.

Cheers
andre

-- 
http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code.


From revolution at derbrill.de  Fri Jan 28 08:17:24 2011
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:17:24 +0100
Subject: [OT] Friday morning humor
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8862.1296194055.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.8862.1296194055.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D20BA8E-EE37-4690-A0D5-7128E2DF37A5@derbrill.de>

http://xkcd.com/323/



From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 28 08:28:13 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:28:13 -0200
Subject: [OT] Friday morning humor
In-Reply-To: <4D20BA8E-EE37-4690-A0D5-7128E2DF37A5@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.8862.1296194055.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<4D20BA8E-EE37-4690-A0D5-7128E2DF37A5@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimoge9x8ur=nVddXJQGm5QTa+TOxBdexdDMHchm@mail.gmail.com>

so true, so true!

Today I need to code facebook integration, I wish I had some lagger here, it
is 40C outside, marvelous day to go to the beach and I am here coding...
anyway, I will settle for some fruit thing.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Malte Brill <revolution at derbrill.de>wrote:

> http://xkcd.com/323/
>
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 28 08:40:24 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:40:24 -0500
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event #8
In-Reply-To: <53BE8295-0C5D-4ABA-B4A8-D31A5983A85B@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <53BE8295-0C5D-4ABA-B4A8-D31A5983A85B@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <AC97E7B4-A2D9-46F4-AA76-86A4651D403E@mac.com>

Thanks for taking this on this saturday Mark. I hope to be there again this week (unless I'm out ice fishing)

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 28, 2011, at 6:25 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi everybody,
> 
> This Saturday, 29 January 2010 at 19:00h GMT (Sat. 22:00 in Moscow, Sat. 20:00 in Paris, Sat. 14:00 in New York, Sat. 11:00 in Los Angeles, Sun. 04:00 in Tokyo, Sun. 3:00 in Beijing), the 8th edition of the Live LiveCode Event will go live. Bj?rnke will be unavailable and I'm taking up the challenge of organising the event this time.
> 
> Kresten Bjerg will talk about his Phenomenalog project, a personal electronic diary created with LiveCode. Chris Innanen will discuss RESTful web API's and will demonstrate some applications he worked on that use them. David Bovil will wrap it up with Sockets and threads the simple way.
> 
> Direct links to the video presentations will be available at http://livecode.tv shortly before the event starts. Provided that the presenters will record their presentations, videos and materials will be available afterwards.
> 
> During the event, there will be discussions about LiveCode and an opportunity to ask the speakers questions on ChatRev. You can find ChatRev at http://bjoernke.com/chatrev .
> 
> If you log in on ChatRev during the event, you will be able to buy the Installer Maker Plugin for LiveCode at a 25% discount. 
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/ce
> 
> 
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Fri Jan 28 09:03:30 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:03:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Rev Online Upload Problems
References: <5F0A783A-6EBC-4116-AB20-55FF4BF94064@mac.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20110128T145752-113@post.gmane.org>

Roger Guay <irog at ...> writes:

> 
> I know that there has been some discussion about the unreliability of 
> uploading to
> Rev Online, but does
> anyone know if there is size limit?
> 
> Thanks and cheers,
> 
> Roger Guay
> 



Hi.  I have just done some testing and the largest file I can get to upload to 
on-rev servervia HTTP POST is 10.1 MB.   I was testing with movie files of 
different sizes and a file of 10.2 MB will create a movie file that has no data 
in it.

I guess this is a limitation set in the server.

To get larger uploads I am thinking of  Amazon S3.  Has anyone done 
Amazon S3 Browser based uploads via  POST using on-rev?

Martin




From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 09:59:17 2011
From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:59:17 -0600
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <A145600F-C978-4A79-903C-0D97EAC16F92@gmail.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
	<970379.700.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTikKUBMt3Dox5wxQVYunpdWMWrEMzvoxZY0uqeoB@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimv-8acLUgKknPK2wDj1Wr=e7Jjex2g45wvw4og@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimULkP-3xK=O0Ap54hde=iCXQe5sUoiKbMGUuiZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<A145600F-C978-4A79-903C-0D97EAC16F92@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=x_rrh=Os1B1_CkYypyF2hoed-PvBBnuGbcLYV@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Jeffrey Massung <massung at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Coroutines have absolutely no advantage over what's already provided by LC.
> There's zero difference between saying "yield()" and "wait 0 ticks with
> messages".
>

I realized that, apart from the fact that this isn't true, it's also kind of
my point: from a developer standpoint, coroutines work fairly similarly to
what many already do when they want to have two or three things going at
once. Hence they would be a significant improvement (because they maintain
state automatically) with very little effort required on the part of
livecode developers.

>
> The purpose of mutli-threading is to take advantage of one or more of the
> following: a completely separate hardware thread (program/code runs 100% in
> parallel with another program/set of code - the only bottlenecks being
> memory and I/O) or preemptive threading, typically by way of hyper-threading
> on a single hardware thread (basically letting the hardware or OS decide
> when to context switch for you).
>

This is true, but it's not a fair description of the current limitations of
livecode. Currently it is very difficult simply to program any sort of
background task whatsoever: processing a log file, making aliens attack,
etc. "wait 0 ticks" simply isn't a good answer for those sorts of issues.
Ask Malte what he could do for animationEngine (and how much more simply)
with coroutines.

Yes, threads are filled with awesome powah, but they're also a lot of work
to get right, and filled with pitfalls. Coroutines, by comparison, are easy,
and would make a lot of things easy to do that are currently hard or
impossible.

One other thing, just in case -- anyone who thinks threads will make
livecode a powerhouse for developing videogames is mistaken. That would
require an overhaul of the graphics engine. You can devote 100% of
livecode's attention to moving stuff around on the screen and come up short
on performance by a couple orders of magnitude. I don't say that to
criticize livecode, it's just that graphics performance isn't their focus,
never has been, and doesn't seem as though it will be any time soon.

Flight Control is well within livecode's capabilities now. Angry Birds might
be a stretch. Fruit Ninja would be a real achievement, and forget about Real
Racing.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

Ooo -- I just had an idea for a flight-control-like game. Guess I need to
get that iOS license after all...

gc


From mkoob at rogers.com  Fri Jan 28 10:05:51 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 07:05:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
Message-ID: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>


I have been testing uploading via post to on-rev and have found the limit is
about 10.1 MB.  I was using movie files of various sizes and the largest I
could successfully upload was 10.1 MB.  If I tried one of 10.2 Mb it would
write a Quicktime file that had no data in it, it was  0 MB file.  If I
tried to open it Quicktime gave a 'This is not a movie file' error.

I guess this is a limit set in the on-rev server.  

As a way of accommodating larger file uploads for a site hosted on on-rev I
am thinking of using Amazon S3.

I want to use browser based uploads to have users upload a movie to the
server and then use authenticated URLs to access the movie files. 

Has anyone done something like this?

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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan 28 10:43:26 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:43:26 +0000
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTingpXxhCVEX99OJY3QVJ-EXWZ_rGbqSJT1QceLX@mail.gmail.com>

Mark Smith made some S3 libraries - trying to get hold of him is a little
futile :) I'm not sure where you can find them online - but I can send a
copy off list - I've not used them - this is from the README:

s3.setSecure
> command
>
> s3.setSecure true|false
>
> If set to true, https connections will be used, otherewise http.
> It's set to true by default
> see curl.setStrictSsl
> ----------
> s3.store
> command
> blocking
>
> s3.store objectKey, dataToStore, accessControl
>
> stores the given data to the object named.
>
> objectKey is the full name (including bucket) of the object you want to
> store the data in eg "someBucket/someObject"
>
> The data can be any kind of text or binary data.
>
> accessControl can be one of "private", "public-read", "public-read-write",
> "authenticated-read". If not specified, "private" is the default.
>
> If you want to upload a file directly from disc, then use the full path of
> the file you want to upload, and prefix it with "file:"
>
> put "/Users/me/Desktop/someFile.txt" into tFile
> s3.store "/someBucket/someFile.txt", "file:" & tFile
>
> If an error occurs, there will be a description in 'the result', which will
> otherwise be empty.
> ----------
> s3.fetch
> function
> blocking
>
> put s3.fetch(objectKey) into variable
> get s3.fetch(objectKey, destinationFile)
>
> objectName is the full name (including bucket) of the object you want to
> fetch eg. "someBucket/someObject"
>
> destinationFile (if used) is the full path to the file you want to put the
> downloaded data in.
>
> If no destination file is provided, the function simply returns the data,
> otherwise, it writes the data to the provided file.
>
> In either case, if there was an error, the description of the error is
> returned.
> ----------
> s3.info
> function
> blocking
>
> put s3.info() -- shows a list of your buckets
> put s3.info(bucketName) -- shows a list of the objects in a bucket
> put s3.info(objectKey) -- shows a list of properties of the object
>
> The properties listed for an object include:
>
> an md5 digest of the object
> the last modified date of the object in seconds (unix time)
> any meta-data that was attached to the object when uploaded.
> ----------
> s3.delete
> command
> blocking
>
> s3.delete objectKey
> s3.delete bucketName
>
> Deletes the specified object. If a bucket is specified, it will be deleted
> only if it is empty.
>
> The result will be set to empty on success, otherwise it will contain an
> error description.
> ----------
> s3.uploadFile.curl
> function
>
> put s3.uploadFile.curl(tObject, tFile) into tCurl.
> this creates a curl instance that is initialised and ready to upload the
> given file to the given bucket/object. The id of that curl instance is
> returned.
>
----------


On 28 January 2011 15:05, Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:

>
> I have been testing uploading via post to on-rev and have found the limit
> is
> about 10.1 MB.  I was using movie files of various sizes and the largest I
> could successfully upload was 10.1 MB.  If I tried one of 10.2 Mb it would
> write a Quicktime file that had no data in it, it was  0 MB file.  If I
> tried to open it Quicktime gave a 'This is not a movie file' error.
>
> I guess this is a limit set in the on-rev server.
>
> As a way of accommodating larger file uploads for a site hosted on on-rev I
> am thinking of using Amazon S3.
>
> I want to use browser based uploads to have users upload a movie to the
> server and then use authenticated URLs to access the movie files.
>
> Has anyone done something like this?
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/on-rev-upload-limits-and-Amazon-S3-as-an-alternative-tp3244672p3244672.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 10:58:17 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:58:17 +0100
Subject: Rev Online Upload Problems
In-Reply-To: <loom.20110128T145752-113@post.gmane.org>
References: <5F0A783A-6EBC-4116-AB20-55FF4BF94064@mac.com>
	<loom.20110128T145752-113@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim9y__aJN2PFxsR17+C5Emk=B5mwUF9Y-y7CpYs@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:

Hi Roger and Martin,

I have no experience with the rev online server however you can try
adding these two lines in the .htaccess file of your domain:

php_value post_max_size 20M
php_value upload_max_filesize 20M

where 20M (20 MBytes) is the new max size of this example.


Best Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jan 28 11:23:57 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:23:57 -0800
Subject: [Semi-OT] SoCal Linux Expo: Feb 25-27
Message-ID: <4D42ED9D.3070404@fourthworld.com>

SCaLE 9x is coming next month:
<http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/>

If any of you live in the San Gabriel Valley or downtown LA and are 
planning to attend, let me know and maybe we can work out a carpool.

I'm signed up and very much looking forward to it.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From massung at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 11:29:28 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:29:28 -0700
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=x_rrh=Os1B1_CkYypyF2hoed-PvBBnuGbcLYV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
	<970379.700.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTikKUBMt3Dox5wxQVYunpdWMWrEMzvoxZY0uqeoB@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimv-8acLUgKknPK2wDj1Wr=e7Jjex2g45wvw4og@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimULkP-3xK=O0Ap54hde=iCXQe5sUoiKbMGUuiZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<A145600F-C978-4A79-903C-0D97EAC16F92@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AF8E9765-52F9-4CFB-B8AB-E4CDC14EF495@gmail.com>


On Jan 28, 2011, at 7:59 AM, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Jeffrey Massung <massung at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Coroutines have absolutely no advantage over what's already provided by LC.
>> There's zero difference between saying "yield()" and "wait 0 ticks with
>> messages".
>> 
> 
> I realized that, apart from the fact that this isn't true, ....

It is. I'm sorry. I wish it weren't. :-(


>> The purpose of mutli-threading is to take advantage of one or more of the
>> following: a completely separate hardware thread (program/code runs 100% in
>> parallel with another program/set of code - the only bottlenecks being
>> memory and I/O) or preemptive threading, typically by way of hyper-threading
>> on a single hardware thread (basically letting the hardware or OS decide
>> when to context switch for you).
>> 
> 
> This is true, but it's not a fair description of the current limitations of
> livecode. Currently it is very difficult simply to program any sort of
> background task whatsoever: processing a log file, making aliens attack,
> etc. "wait 0 ticks" simply isn't a good answer for those sorts of issues.
> Ask Malte what he could do for animationEngine (and how much more simply)
> with coroutines.

Agreed that "wait 0 ticks" isn't a good solution to these sorts of issues, and I wasn't trying to imply that it was (if my original email came across that way).


> [... Snipped some iPhone video game examples ..]
> 
> I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

Coroutines are not pre-emptive. They are called "cooperative threads" because you have to manage them with your own scheduling. That means yielding within a single hardware thread, which means you get no more benefit out of them than what LC already provides (except maybe a slightly different engine architecture that *might* be faster, but that's unprovable - or disprovable - by us without the LC source code). This isn't to say coroutines aren't great - Lua and other languages use them to much fanfare. Just that you pretty much have them already.

As far as games go, I also have to disagree there (that LC will always be too slow by orders of magnitude). This is an area I know a *lot* about and do this for a living. Now, I'm not suggesting that LC is what I would jump up and down to use to make my next video game with, but most video games are broken into two bits: simulation and rendering. 

As long as someone took the time to make an OpenGL plugin for LC, rendering could be made fast enough for most simple 2D games (the real issue would be the fact that "Everthing Is A String" in LC - and manipulating matrices with strings would be **SLOW**). So that leaves simulation. 

The problem with yielding (or "waiting" in LC terms) is that it basically puts me back into the Atari 2600 days of cycle counting, without the precision of being able to actually count cycles ;-). I have no idea how often I should yield in order to make things nice and smooth. It would be SOOO much more convenient if I could just make LC pre-emptive and wait for me like so:

send "renderFrame" to me every 30 milliseconds

And I'm done with it. It's like pretending to be a fake "green thread". All I care about is that it's pre-emptive. Anyway, I'd love to talk about this more offline if you want -- just shoot me an email. 

Summary:

* What people seem to want here is pre-emption (however that happens).
* Coroutines are cooperative threads, which means they are not pre-emptive.
* If you have to yield, it doesn't matter how many HW threads you use.

Jeff M,


From mkoob at rogers.com  Fri Jan 28 11:45:51 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:45:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTingpXxhCVEX99OJY3QVJ-EXWZ_rGbqSJT1QceLX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTingpXxhCVEX99OJY3QVJ-EXWZ_rGbqSJT1QceLX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1296233151928-3244924.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi David

I have those libraries.  They are on his on-rev site:

http://marksmith.on-rev.com/refstuff/index.html

I have tried using a few of the S3 functions from the AWS library in a stack
such as list buckets etc to try and learn how to use them but I am not sure
how I would include these in an on-rev site.   Could the different libraries
be put into irev files and used as includes?

I only need a sub set of the S3 functions.  I want to use browser based
uploads to S3 and creating timelimited authenticated URLS for the stored
movies. It seems that mainly I need a way to construct and sign the requests
with HMAC SHA1.   

I am trying to figure out what commands from the libraries I would need to
put in an include irev file to give the necessary functionality.

Martin
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Fri Jan 28 11:54:19 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:54:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rev Online Upload Problems
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim9y__aJN2PFxsR17+C5Emk=B5mwUF9Y-y7CpYs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5F0A783A-6EBC-4116-AB20-55FF4BF94064@mac.com>
	<loom.20110128T145752-113@post.gmane.org>
	<AANLkTim9y__aJN2PFxsR17+C5Emk=B5mwUF9Y-y7CpYs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1296233659140-3244942.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Roger.

I tried adding those two lines to the .htaccess files and the server really
did not like that.   I got a 500 server error when I tried to load the site.

Martin
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 12:05:00 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:05:00 +0100
Subject: Rev Online Upload Problems
In-Reply-To: <1296233659140-3244942.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <5F0A783A-6EBC-4116-AB20-55FF4BF94064@mac.com>
	<loom.20110128T145752-113@post.gmane.org>
	<AANLkTim9y__aJN2PFxsR17+C5Emk=B5mwUF9Y-y7CpYs@mail.gmail.com>
	<1296233659140-3244942.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimQ5Mznp98FKZfBSmucK6Q6Nfw5RgVjUiLrmj=Y@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Roger.
>
> I tried adding those two lines to the .htaccess files and the server really
> did not like that. ? I got a 500 server error when I tried to load the site.

Martin,

In the .htaccess file of the httpdocs directory?

Hm, the Rev Online server should not work as I thought, so I do
apologize for the bad info.


Best regards,
-- 
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 28 12:07:28 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:07:28 -0200
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim2rJX3h1psYEq0pYp+sGLtbLMU-r0HH4_JVCWY@mail.gmail.com>

Martin,

How big are those files? I am not one to tell other people about their
design or business, but uploading huge files over HTTP is not wise. When I
say huge, I am not saying 20 mb, I am saying stuff like 300 mb or things
like it. If you're uploading stuff the size of a CD or DVD, you might want
to explore other venues.

S3 should work, there are libraries for it as others have posted.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:

>
> I have been testing uploading via post to on-rev and have found the limit
> is
> about 10.1 MB.  I was using movie files of various sizes and the largest I
> could successfully upload was 10.1 MB.  If I tried one of 10.2 Mb it would
> write a Quicktime file that had no data in it, it was  0 MB file.  If I
> tried to open it Quicktime gave a 'This is not a movie file' error.
>
> I guess this is a limit set in the on-rev server.
>
> As a way of accommodating larger file uploads for a site hosted on on-rev I
> am thinking of using Amazon S3.
>
> I want to use browser based uploads to have users upload a movie to the
> server and then use authenticated URLs to access the movie files.
>
> Has anyone done something like this?
>
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> View this message in context:
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 28 12:15:11 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:15:11 -0200
Subject: Rev Online Upload Problems
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim9y__aJN2PFxsR17+C5Emk=B5mwUF9Y-y7CpYs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5F0A783A-6EBC-4116-AB20-55FF4BF94064@mac.com>
	<loom.20110128T145752-113@post.gmane.org>
	<AANLkTim9y__aJN2PFxsR17+C5Emk=B5mwUF9Y-y7CpYs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikDjPZT0v1KWfdJC=UadpCayj9U-kPYnXbQLS0t@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Slug et al,

I think we're mixing a lot of things in here right now. First the OP asked
about Rev Online which is not RevServer. Rev Online is the little underused
network sharing stack we all love that lives inside LiveCode IDE and we use
to pick other people stacks.

RevServer (aka LiveCode Server Deployment Option) will not be affected by
the directives in the .htaccess file below:


> php_value post_max_size 20M
> php_value upload_max_filesize 20M
>
> where 20M (20 MBytes) is the new max size of this example.
>
>
Those entries are valid only for PHP and I believe no sane hosting company
will ever allow you to set those in a .htaccess file. Thos commands will be
prohibited and probably will render a 500 error. If anyone was allowed to do
that, you could set your limit to 45GB and then proceed to do concurrent
uploads of full Blueray Disks and starve the system of its resources, thus
creating a distributted denial of service, things everyone tries to avoid.

RevServer engine under On-Rev service have hardcoded limits for the
following items:

* script execution time, if it takes to long, kill it
* script memory usage, if it takes too much, kill it
* file upload, if it is too big, kill it

It uses a combination of factors regarding these issues before killing a
process and this is good. Runaway process hurt the whole server and its
users.

The engine which is not released but you can buy from the store does not
have this hardcoded limits, so if you own your VPS, you could install it and
be happy. (PS: check with mothership if the limits are not in the engine
that is sold, this was true before but I haven't checked lately)

cheers
andre


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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 12:17:16 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:17:16 +0100
Subject: Rev Online Upload Problems
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimQ5Mznp98FKZfBSmucK6Q6Nfw5RgVjUiLrmj=Y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5F0A783A-6EBC-4116-AB20-55FF4BF94064@mac.com>
	<loom.20110128T145752-113@post.gmane.org>
	<AANLkTim9y__aJN2PFxsR17+C5Emk=B5mwUF9Y-y7CpYs@mail.gmail.com>
	<1296233659140-3244942.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTimQ5Mznp98FKZfBSmucK6Q6Nfw5RgVjUiLrmj=Y@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimDTQgw6XdYLs+0jKBEy6eZHA6X39Y0VAgxr1Gk@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:05 PM, zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Roger.
>>
>> I tried adding those two lines to the .htaccess files and the server really
>> did not like that. ? I got a 500 server error when I tried to load the site.
>
> Martin,
>
> In the .htaccess file of the httpdocs directory?
>
> Hm, the Rev Online server should not work as I thought, so I do
> apologize for the bad info.

Note for myself: the next time do not confusing on-rev server and rev online.

Throw me cheeses if you want...

Best regards,
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Fri Jan 28 12:24:55 2011
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:24:55 -0500
Subject: On-rev Rename quotes work. Vars don't!
In-Reply-To: <5A41501D-C86B-4BD1-9C39-1964C0A43E30@all-auctions.com>
References: <453511.61296.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>	<F461F3C9-9763-4DA6-A910-A2CC180DD9F1@all-auctions.com>	<896F9B6B-86FE-4790-BB0A-6B450A6BD915@leftbrainmedia.com>	<15E4EF5B-DF9D-4DBE-8359-9EF8D102F09D@all-auctions.com>	<1E55D729-98CC-40F8-B047-4D8D62615741@all-auctions.com>	<4D41CD38.8000204@fourthworld.com>
	<E95F4837-8A00-45AA-AA02-690FE195B32C@all-auctions.com>
	<4D41F34D.1010603@fourthworld.com>
	<5A41501D-C86B-4BD1-9C39-1964C0A43E30@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <3A241BAB-0C4F-4087-927D-B891D4609FBC@all-auctions.com>

Hi Guys,

Ok, so I wanted to track down that "file not found error".
It turns out that my variable which came from a database
was declared as 80 in length, so it was padding the
variable with invisible spaces.  Hence the "file not found"
message.  Getting rid of the spaces to leave just the
name of the file fixed the problem.  The standard

rename file OldFileName NewFileName

syntax works just fine after all.  Sorry for any
confusion I may have caused.

Thanks for helping me to work out the problem!

Rick


On Jan 27, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:

> Hi Richard & Klaus,
> 
> I set the default folder to the correct path
> before the rename statement.  I've checked it,
> and it is correct.  I've also tried to fully qualify
> the path name for both variables.  It still doesn't work.
> 
> Someone other than myself should try to reproduce
> the error on On-Rev when they get the chance.  
> For now the work around with the "Do" command is fine.
> 
> Thanks guys!
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Jan 27, 2011, at 5:35 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> On 1/27/11 2:11 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:
>>> Hi Richard,
>>> 
>>> The paths are valid.
>>> 
>>> The value of "the result" was "can't rename file"
>>> 
>>> SysError() was "2"
>> 
>> 2 = "file not found":
>> <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms681382%28v=vs.85%29.aspx>
>> 
>> Since you're using short paths, you might try checking that the default folder is what you'd expect it to be.
>> 
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World
>> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>> LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
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From cjw at eml.cc  Fri Jan 28 12:29:56 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:29:56 +0000
Subject: Rev Online Upload Problems
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDjPZT0v1KWfdJC=UadpCayj9U-kPYnXbQLS0t@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5F0A783A-6EBC-4116-AB20-55FF4BF94064@mac.com><loom.20110128T145752-113@post.gmane.org><AANLkTim9y__aJN2PFxsR17+C5Emk=B5mwUF9Y-y7CpYs@mail.gmail.com><AANLkTikDjPZT0v1KWfdJC=UadpCayj9U-kPYnXbQLS0t@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1788503532-1296235796-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1685042331-@bda876.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hi,

If "VPS" is not an abbreviation for "Virtual Personal Server," please advise. 

Thank you,
Calvin
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
Sender: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:15:11 
To: How to use LiveCode<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Reply-To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Rev Online Upload Problems

Dear Slug et al,

I think we're mixing a lot of things in here right now. First the OP asked
about Rev Online which is not RevServer. Rev Online is the little underused
network sharing stack we all love that lives inside LiveCode IDE and we use
to pick other people stacks.

RevServer (aka LiveCode Server Deployment Option) will not be affected by
the directives in the .htaccess file below:


> php_value post_max_size 20M
> php_value upload_max_filesize 20M
>
> where 20M (20 MBytes) is the new max size of this example.
>
>
Those entries are valid only for PHP and I believe no sane hosting company
will ever allow you to set those in a .htaccess file. Thos commands will be
prohibited and probably will render a 500 error. If anyone was allowed to do
that, you could set your limit to 45GB and then proceed to do concurrent
uploads of full Blueray Disks and starve the system of its resources, thus
creating a distributted denial of service, things everyone tries to avoid.

RevServer engine under On-Rev service have hardcoded limits for the
following items:

* script execution time, if it takes to long, kill it
* script memory usage, if it takes too much, kill it
* file upload, if it is too big, kill it

It uses a combination of factors regarding these issues before killing a
process and this is good. Runaway process hurt the whole server and its
users.

The engine which is not released but you can buy from the store does not
have this hardcoded limits, so if you own your VPS, you could install it and
be happy. (PS: check with mothership if the limits are not in the engine
that is sold, this was true before but I haven't checked lately)

cheers
andre


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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 28 12:51:58 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:51:58 -0200
Subject: Rev Online Upload Problems
In-Reply-To: <1788503532-1296235796-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1685042331-@bda876.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <5F0A783A-6EBC-4116-AB20-55FF4BF94064@mac.com>
	<loom.20110128T145752-113@post.gmane.org>
	<AANLkTim9y__aJN2PFxsR17+C5Emk=B5mwUF9Y-y7CpYs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikDjPZT0v1KWfdJC=UadpCayj9U-kPYnXbQLS0t@mail.gmail.com>
	<1788503532-1296235796-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1685042331-@bda876.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=t_CVsasUHeC=3Y6ROa+PSOg3FPfOXrLHNOMpa@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Calvin Waterbury <cjw at eml.cc> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> If "VPS" is not an abbreviation for "Virtual Personal Server," please
> advise.
>

Virtual Private Server

If getting one for RevServer development, don't pick 64bits. it is easier to
deal with 32bits due to library hell. (at least, I don't know how to solve
64bits library dependencies with 32bits binaries)



>
> Thank you,
> Calvin
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com>
> Sender: use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:15:11
> To: How to use LiveCode<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Reply-To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Rev Online Upload Problems
>
> Dear Slug et al,
>
> I think we're mixing a lot of things in here right now. First the OP asked
> about Rev Online which is not RevServer. Rev Online is the little underused
> network sharing stack we all love that lives inside LiveCode IDE and we use
> to pick other people stacks.
>
> RevServer (aka LiveCode Server Deployment Option) will not be affected by
> the directives in the .htaccess file below:
>
>
> > php_value post_max_size 20M
> > php_value upload_max_filesize 20M
> >
> > where 20M (20 MBytes) is the new max size of this example.
> >
> >
> Those entries are valid only for PHP and I believe no sane hosting company
> will ever allow you to set those in a .htaccess file. Thos commands will be
> prohibited and probably will render a 500 error. If anyone was allowed to
> do
> that, you could set your limit to 45GB and then proceed to do concurrent
> uploads of full Blueray Disks and starve the system of its resources, thus
> creating a distributted denial of service, things everyone tries to avoid.
>
> RevServer engine under On-Rev service have hardcoded limits for the
> following items:
>
> * script execution time, if it takes to long, kill it
> * script memory usage, if it takes too much, kill it
> * file upload, if it is too big, kill it
>
> It uses a combination of factors regarding these issues before killing a
> process and this is good. Runaway process hurt the whole server and its
> users.
>
> The engine which is not released but you can buy from the store does not
> have this hardcoded limits, so if you own your VPS, you could install it
> and
> be happy. (PS: check with mothership if the limits are not in the engine
> that is sold, this was true before but I haven't checked lately)
>
> cheers
> andre
>
>
> --
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Fri Jan 28 12:58:20 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:58:20 +0000
Subject: Nearly: bash spawn expect and dns-sd
Message-ID: <AANLkTikQ1tASr-D6LjNiftG6zTFAizMR80==3siMHix5@mail.gmail.com>

Not quite able to get this cross platform command line to work for Bonjour -
it hangs around waiting for input. I've tried open process and that nearly
works, but think this is the way to go:

set expectCode to "
> spawn -noecho dns-sd -B _ssh._tcp
> expect -timeout 5 eof {}
> "
> do shell script "echo " & quoted form of expectCode & "|/usr/bin/expect -f
> -"
>

It's an AppleScript... but I'm not quite getting it. This is what I want to
do:

   1. Register a service - "dns-sd -R 'LiveCode Port Mapper' _livecode._udp.
   . 45000 pdl=application/livecode" does this on the command line but waits
   around
   2. List services available - "dns-sd -L 'LiveCode Port Mapper'
   _livecode._udp. ." does this on the command line

But I want to use LiveCode's shell (or open process) for this - any ideas?


From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 28 13:27:08 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:27:08 -0200
Subject: Nearly: bash spawn expect and dns-sd
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikQ1tASr-D6LjNiftG6zTFAizMR80==3siMHix5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikQ1tASr-D6LjNiftG6zTFAizMR80==3siMHix5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinP-VOSdW9B9sfCAyr=NrKB_D0cCaZ+nMwHyBUR@mail.gmail.com>

David,

I, Andre Alves Garzia, Bailiff of Hacks give you the following solution:

for registering: use tempname() to obtain a safe file. Output bash
script into tempfile. Chmod +x tempfile and then execute it.

for listening: same trick as before but redirect all output of the
command to text file such as:

dns-sd -L 'LiveCode Port Mapper'_livecode._udp. . >> mylog.txt 2>&1

then keep a send in time loop reading mylog.txt for new data.

Andre

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:58 PM, David Bovill <david at vaudevillecourt.tv> wrote:
>
> Not quite able to get this cross platform command line to work for Bonjour -
> it hangs around waiting for input. I've tried open process and that nearly
> works, but think this is the way to go:
>
> set expectCode to "
> > spawn -noecho dns-sd -B _ssh._tcp
> > expect -timeout 5 eof {}
> > "
> > do shell script "echo " & quoted form of expectCode & "|/usr/bin/expect -f
> > -"
> >
>
> It's an AppleScript... but I'm not quite getting it. This is what I want to
> do:
>
> ? 1. Register a service - "dns-sd -R 'LiveCode Port Mapper' _livecode._udp.
> ? . 45000 pdl=application/livecode" does this on the command line but waits
> ? around
> ? 2. List services available - "dns-sd -L 'LiveCode Port Mapper'
> ? _livecode._udp. ." does this on the command line
>
> But I want to use LiveCode's shell (or open process) for this - any ideas?
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Fri Jan 28 13:32:44 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:32:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim2rJX3h1psYEq0pYp+sGLtbLMU-r0HH4_JVCWY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim2rJX3h1psYEq0pYp+sGLtbLMU-r0HH4_JVCWY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1296239564352-3245122.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Andre

The files would be about 100 MB movie files.  


Are the libraries you are referring to the ones from Mark Smith which seem
to be intended for stack use or are there ones that are more geared for
on-rev.

I am looking at Mark Smiths libAWS and libS3 to try and put together a
library for on-rev that would handle creating timed authenticated URLs and
also browser based uploads.  Is there something that for on-rev exists
already for these tasks?

Martin
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From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 28 13:33:56 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:33:56 -0800
Subject: Send In Time
Message-ID: <7533D0E1-C598-4D8A-9904-B543C2940CBA@twft.com>

So correct me if I am wrong, but send in time is not really a parallel process is it? It just means that given a send in time of 5 seconds, that after 5 seconds the engine will wait for the first idle message and then execute, and while it's executing nothing else can occur till it's finished? 

Or do I have that wrong?

Bob





From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 28 13:38:20 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:38:20 -0200
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <1296239564352-3245122.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim2rJX3h1psYEq0pYp+sGLtbLMU-r0HH4_JVCWY@mail.gmail.com>
	<1296239564352-3245122.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikZf0nt0xvgwaii6_sqjGx-whZxDnmTXu7ZYOhU@mail.gmail.com>

Martin,

right now there are no libraries for AWS usage for RevServer but I
suspect that if you simply copy the stackscript of Marks libraries to
a text file and use it with the require command, it might work, better
check with him.

:-D

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Andre
>
> The files would be about 100 MB movie files.
>
>
> Are the libraries you are referring to the ones from Mark Smith which seem
> to be intended for stack use or are there ones that are more geared for
> on-rev.
>
> I am looking at Mark Smiths libAWS and libS3 to try and put together a
> library for on-rev that would handle creating timed authenticated URLs and
> also browser based uploads. ?Is there something that for on-rev exists
> already for these tasks?
>
> Martin
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/on-rev-upload-limits-and-Amazon-S3-as-an-alternative-tp3244672p3245122.html
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 28 13:39:55 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:39:55 -0200
Subject: Send In Time
In-Reply-To: <7533D0E1-C598-4D8A-9904-B543C2940CBA@twft.com>
References: <7533D0E1-C598-4D8A-9904-B543C2940CBA@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=U6-WaT0+fVhSkLpcskRX4G+4KzuZBLuwiGSE_@mail.gmail.com>

not parallel processing but wishful programming, you use a send in
time and hope that no other command block the engine long enough for
its scheduling thing to go bananas.

since you control everything, when you program with send in time, you
keep your code out of blocking situations so that the engine can work
its magic.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> So correct me if I am wrong, but send in time is not really a parallel process is it? It just means that given a send in time of 5 seconds, that after 5 seconds the engine will wait for the first idle message and then execute, and while it's executing nothing else can occur till it's finished?
>
> Or do I have that wrong?
>
> Bob
>
>
>
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From massung at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 13:43:07 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:43:07 -0700
Subject: Send In Time
In-Reply-To: <7533D0E1-C598-4D8A-9904-B543C2940CBA@twft.com>
References: <7533D0E1-C598-4D8A-9904-B543C2940CBA@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin-KZpjt0L1cFx9zeDcz3DrrWzMcPsMiCg-rCSW@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know about the "idle" part, but yes, it isn't parallel. It's easy
enough to test... see if helloWorld ever happens:


on mouseUp
    send "myInfiniteLoop" to me in 5 seconds
    send "helloWorld" to me in 10 seconds
end

on myInfiniteLoop
    put "About to hose LC..."
    repeat forever
        # do nothing
    end
end

on helloWorld
    answer "Hello, world!"
end


Jeff M.


On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> So correct me if I am wrong, but send in time is not really a parallel
> process is it? It just means that given a send in time of 5 seconds, that
> after 5 seconds the engine will wait for the first idle message and then
> execute, and while it's executing nothing else can occur till it's finished?
>
> Or do I have that wrong?
>
> Bob
>
>
>
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From cjw at eml.cc  Fri Jan 28 13:43:53 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:43:53 -0600
Subject: Rev Online Upload Problems
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=t_CVsasUHeC=3Y6ROa+PSOg3FPfOXrLHNOMpa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5F0A783A-6EBC-4116-AB20-55FF4BF94064@mac.com>	<loom.20110128T145752-113@post.gmane.org>	<AANLkTim9y__aJN2PFxsR17+C5Emk=B5mwUF9Y-y7CpYs@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTikDjPZT0v1KWfdJC=UadpCayj9U-kPYnXbQLS0t@mail.gmail.com>	<1788503532-1296235796-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1685042331-@bda876.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<AANLkTi=t_CVsasUHeC=3Y6ROa+PSOg3FPfOXrLHNOMpa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D430E69.1040708@eml.cc>

Hi Andre,

Thanks for the clarification!  I'll keep the 64/32 info in mind when the time comes.  :)

Calvin



From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 28 13:53:17 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:53:17 -0200
Subject: Rev Online Upload Problems
In-Reply-To: <4D430E69.1040708@eml.cc>
References: <5F0A783A-6EBC-4116-AB20-55FF4BF94064@mac.com>
	<loom.20110128T145752-113@post.gmane.org>
	<AANLkTim9y__aJN2PFxsR17+C5Emk=B5mwUF9Y-y7CpYs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikDjPZT0v1KWfdJC=UadpCayj9U-kPYnXbQLS0t@mail.gmail.com>
	<1788503532-1296235796-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1685042331-@bda876.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<AANLkTi=t_CVsasUHeC=3Y6ROa+PSOg3FPfOXrLHNOMpa@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D430E69.1040708@eml.cc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinjO-vkpSm3O95hABdv_eJ+vL7KkKtuLWwbBivh@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Calvin Waterbury <cjw at eml.cc> wrote:
> Hi Andre,
>
> Thanks for the clarification! ?I'll keep the 64/32 info in mind when the
> time comes. ?:)

from what I've seen, 64bit linux is able to run and load 32bit
executables and libraries but in practice, I could never make
RevServer 32bits run under 64bit linux because of the missing
libraries, I could not install 32 bits library under 64bits linux, it
kept building 64bits argh...


>
> Calvin
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 28 14:04:37 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:04:37 -0200
Subject: [Semi-OT] some images from our upcomming iOS LiveCode built game
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=eD-LWMFsx1grGC0GVcCOELnVXaijvkJBKKbaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

Following the friday spirit, I share with you guys some images from
our upcoming LiveCode built iOS Game. Be aware that all this is still
work in progress. Our game is a unique twist on code breaking +
adventure game.

(our development phase main screen)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1340110/img_0432.png

(our maian level)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1340110/img_0433.png

(our japan level)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1340110/img_0434.png

(our norsk level)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1340110/img_0435.png

The game is being developed by me and my friends on our spare time and
we hope will reach beta status soon.

I am not the artist, I am just the coder, my friend Raphael is the
artist and he is quite gifted.

Cheers
andre
PS: as soon as it is ready, we'll let everyone here know

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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 14:10:22 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:10:22 +0100
Subject: Rev Online Upload Problems
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDjPZT0v1KWfdJC=UadpCayj9U-kPYnXbQLS0t@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5F0A783A-6EBC-4116-AB20-55FF4BF94064@mac.com>
	<loom.20110128T145752-113@post.gmane.org>
	<AANLkTim9y__aJN2PFxsR17+C5Emk=B5mwUF9Y-y7CpYs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikDjPZT0v1KWfdJC=UadpCayj9U-kPYnXbQLS0t@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=DXVaHS5NaZTsZfP+U0RD=+iWnRpjRuymv5eU2@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

Andre,

> Those entries are valid only for PHP and I believe no sane hosting company
> will ever allow you to set those in a .htaccess file.

Hmmm,

I could say I'm doing this all the time, but.. no comment 8-)


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 28 14:37:59 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (andre at andregarzia.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:37:59 -0200
Subject: Rev Online Upload Problems
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=DXVaHS5NaZTsZfP+U0RD=+iWnRpjRuymv5eU2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5F0A783A-6EBC-4116-AB20-55FF4BF94064@mac.com>
	<loom.20110128T145752-113@post.gmane.org>
	<AANLkTim9y__aJN2PFxsR17+C5Emk=B5mwUF9Y-y7CpYs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikDjPZT0v1KWfdJC=UadpCayj9U-kPYnXbQLS0t@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=DXVaHS5NaZTsZfP+U0RD=+iWnRpjRuymv5eU2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB899DEE-07CB-406C-BD63-FCD36AFB2656@andregarzia.com>



Enviado via iPhone

Em 28/01/2011, ?s 17:10, zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com> escreveu:

> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
> 
> Andre,
> 
>> Those entries are valid only for PHP and I believe no sane hosting company
>> will ever allow you to set those in a .htaccess file.
> 
> Hmmm,
> 
> I could say I'm doing this all the time, but.. no comment 8-)
> 

But But But... I *want* comments!!!!

Is it a VPS or Shared account?

Cheers!



> 
> Best regards,
> -- 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 28 14:51:53 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:51:53 -0800
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event #8
In-Reply-To: <AC97E7B4-A2D9-46F4-AA76-86A4651D403E@mac.com>
References: <53BE8295-0C5D-4ABA-B4A8-D31A5983A85B@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AC97E7B4-A2D9-46F4-AA76-86A4651D403E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <531047900484.20110128115153@ahsoftware.net>

Tom-

Friday, January 28, 2011, 5:40:24 AM, you wrote:

> Thanks for taking this on this saturday Mark. I hope to be there
> again this week (unless I'm out ice fishing)

Dude - you shouldn't have to go fishing for ice. It's everywhere. I'll
email you some when I get a chance.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 14:52:16 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 21:52:16 +0200
Subject: [OT] Friday morning humor
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimoge9x8ur=nVddXJQGm5QTa+TOxBdexdDMHchm@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.8862.1296194055.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>	<4D20BA8E-EE37-4690-A0D5-7128E2DF37A5@derbrill.de>
	<AANLkTimoge9x8ur=nVddXJQGm5QTa+TOxBdexdDMHchm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D431E70.7030301@gmail.com>

On 01/28/2011 03:28 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> so true, so true!
>
> Today I need to code facebook integration, I wish I had some lagger here, it
> is 40C outside, marvelous day to go to the beach and I am here coding...
> anyway, I will settle for some fruit thing.
>
* ALERT * From the EFL man * ALERT *

The word "fruit" is polysemantic . . .


From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Jan 28 15:27:07 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:27:07 -0200
Subject: [OT] Friday morning humor
In-Reply-To: <4D431E70.7030301@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.8862.1296194055.24101.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<4D20BA8E-EE37-4690-A0D5-7128E2DF37A5@derbrill.de>
	<AANLkTimoge9x8ur=nVddXJQGm5QTa+TOxBdexdDMHchm@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 01/28/2011 03:28 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> so true, so true!
>>
>> Today I need to code facebook integration, I wish I had some lagger here,
>> it
>> is 40C outside, marvelous day to go to the beach and I am here coding...
>> anyway, I will settle for some fruit thing.
>>
>>  * ALERT * From the EFL man * ALERT *
>
> The word "fruit" is polysemantic . . .


I am old fashined, don't know anything about polysemancy.... :-)



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From katir at hindu.org  Fri Jan 28 15:57:37 2011
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:57:37 -1000
Subject: Web Plug In - Audio Options
Message-ID: <4D432DC1.4060802@hindu.org>



Since the developer list is totally focus on iOS  and the full web-plug in is deferred for, now,
I posted this but got no response.

Anyone here on the Use List actively using the web Plug in as is?

I want to keep pushing it and do testing...

Can anyone share their experience with audio? I know this has been asked
and answered over and over again, and the lamentations and wailings of
LiveCode being so behind in this arena.. I will refrain from
re-iterating at length here.

Perhaps some of you have made headway with work arounds:

Do we have *any* fully cross platform options for playing multiple
sounds? AS we know, we can only play a single audio clip at at time.

Does the player object reliably call the native, platform specific A/V
components on Windows and Linux if QT is not installed?  and if so, what
control do we have over those components? the dictionary does not
distinquish what properties (like currenttime) are or are not available
for a player that is running on another platform without Quicktime. (I
know that players do run on Windows without QT installed, but no
controls appear as this is my cue to tell some of my users to install
QT, but that option will not be there with the plug in...) and I don't
see the documentation on what exactly we can and cannot control other
than start and stop, if QT is not installed and I have no clue what
happens on Linux)

I'm hoping someone can share the minimal baseline of cross platform
options that works, so I can save myself a lot of grief testing things
that are definitely not going to work. (I don't have any linux box here...)

Thanks

Sivakatirswami




From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 28 16:13:23 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:13:23 -0500
Subject: Project Madness
Message-ID: <189BA668-7FCB-4D0D-ADAE-9251F63C99D3@mac.com>

So, after coming up with the Flow Control for serial communications and playing with the Arduino Uno for a couple of days I now have added the ability to present Commands and Arguments from LC to the Arduino Uno. This could have been where we were a few weeks ago if the read until EOF worked with the Uno and if we had more Buffer tools in LC. That said this is actually so much better than the MacBrick and previous versions of I/O boards.

Madness:
So I can read the Uno and send to the Uno and then now I can send commands w/args to the Uno. What can I do with it?

I know! I'll write a program that reads the brightness of the screen on my TV and since most Commercials are brighter than the show or movie I am watching I can determine if a commercial is on and turn down the sound for a minute or two and then turn it back up after the commercial. I take photoresistor readings and based on those look up the time and channel using EyeTV for the channel (TV is mirrored on pc) and the time from LC and the Tv Show that is on from TitanTV. I determine that the brightness should be a commercial via how long and how bright the screen is (very suspect code here) at this moment. And if it is a commercial then I use iRed and an irTrans blaster to turn down the volume. Now I wait until either the brightness gets darker (movie is back on) with a check every 30 seconds or a preset time passes and then turn the volume back up. I print to the screen in LC to let me know what show and time it is and that we think it is a commercial. I flash some LEDs and buzz a piezo to the tune of twinkle twinkle little star (since I can take the lack of noise now that the TV volume is down). Then the volume comes back up and we wait again. If I quickly change the channel up and then back down then I can also see that the TV was muted on my iPhone using eyeTV's iPhone app.

Well, since my code thinks most flashes are commercials and I have very bad timing issues on both the reading of serial data and with my logic code in LC the Tv goes up really LOUD and after a bit it goes down really low then up really LOUD and then down really low. That is why I call this Madness V4.2

But hey the next project is the fully autonomous lawnmower with remote control options via the iPhone, network, ethernet shield and motor shield which will serve double duty as an ice fishing shanty mover and GPS ice fishing spot locator.


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net




From mkoob at rogers.com  Fri Jan 28 16:14:14 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:14:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikZf0nt0xvgwaii6_sqjGx-whZxDnmTXu7ZYOhU@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim2rJX3h1psYEq0pYp+sGLtbLMU-r0HH4_JVCWY@mail.gmail.com>
	<1296239564352-3245122.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikZf0nt0xvgwaii6_sqjGx-whZxDnmTXu7ZYOhU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1296249254873-3245411.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Andre

I have tried to combine a suggested bit of code from you to do HMACSHA1 and
some of the handlers from Marksmith's LibS3.  It generates a signature but
it is not accepted by AmazonS#.   It gives the error:
"SignatureDoesNotMatchThe request signature we calculated does not match the
signature you provided. Check your key and signing method."


in a file called s3auth.irev i put the following
_______________________________________
##From Andre Garzia
function _oauthHMACSHA1 pContent, pPassword
   put tempname() into tFile
   put pContent into url ("binfile:" & tFile)
   put format("cat %s | openssl dgst -sha1 -hmac %s", tFile, pPassword) into
tCMD
   get shell(tCMD)
   delete file tFile
   return it 
end _oauthHMACSHA1

##adapted from Mark Smith's LibS3 
## - I replaced  his hmacSha1.b64 handler to Andre Garzia's _oauthHMACSHA1
handler
##AWS_SK is the AWS secret key which is set earlier
function makeQauth pBucket, pObject, pExpiry
   put makeObject(pBucket, pObject) into tObject
   put "GET" & cr & cr & cr & pExpiry & cr & tObject into stringToSign
   return urlencode(_oauthHMACSHA1(stringToSign, AWS_SK))
end makeQauth

##from Mark Smith's LibS3
##AWS_AK is the AWS access key which is set earlier
function s3.timeLimitURL pBucket, pObject, pExpiry
  put "http://" & pBucket & ".s3.amazonaws.com/" & pObject &
"?AWSAccessKeyId=" & AWS_AK into tUrl
  put "&Expires=" & pExpiry & "&Signature=" & makeQauth(pBucket, pObject,
pExpiry) after tUrl
  return tUrl
end s3.timeLimitURL
____________________


in another file 's3getfile.irev' I include the 's3auth.irev' file and call
the s.3timeLimitURL function
__________________________
put the seconds + (60 * 15) into tExpiry --15 minutes
put "avlicces" into tBucket
put "testmovie.m4v" into tObject
put s3.timeLimitURL(tBucket, tObject, tExpiry) into tFileURL
________________________

the tFileURL has all the elements it should have but the signature appears
longer than the one generated by Mark Smith's sample S3 application.

Any ideas why the signature does not get generated correctly by the
FrankenCode I have thrown together?

Thanks

Martin
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From mkoob at rogers.com  Fri Jan 28 16:18:16 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:18:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikZf0nt0xvgwaii6_sqjGx-whZxDnmTXu7ZYOhU@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim2rJX3h1psYEq0pYp+sGLtbLMU-r0HH4_JVCWY@mail.gmail.com>
	<1296239564352-3245122.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikZf0nt0xvgwaii6_sqjGx-whZxDnmTXu7ZYOhU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1296249496187-3245419.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Andre 

I have tried to combine a suggested bit of code from you to do HMACSHA1 and
some of the handlers from Marksmith's LibS3.  It generates a signature but
it is not accepted by AmazonS#.   It gives the error: 
"SignatureDoesNotMatchThe request signature we calculated does not match the
signature you provided. Check your key and signing method." 


in a file called s3auth.irev i put the following 
_______________________________________ 
##From Andre Garzia 
function _oauthHMACSHA1 pContent, pPassword 
   put tempname() into tFile 
   put pContent into url ("binfile:" & tFile) 
   put format("cat %s | openssl dgst -sha1 -hmac %s", tFile, pPassword) into
tCMD 
   get shell(tCMD) 
   delete file tFile 
   return it 
end _oauthHMACSHA1 

##adapted from Mark Smith's LibS3 
## - I replaced  his hmacSha1.b64 handler to Andre Garzia's _oauthHMACSHA1
handler 
##AWS_SK is the AWS secret key which is set earlier 
function makeQauth pBucket, pObject, pExpiry 
   put makeObject(pBucket, pObject) into tObject 
   put "GET" & cr & cr & cr & pExpiry & cr & tObject into stringToSign 
   return urlencode(_oauthHMACSHA1(stringToSign, AWS_SK)) 
end makeQauth 

##from Mark Smith's LibS3 
##AWS_AK is the AWS access key which is set earlier 
function s3.timeLimitURL pBucket, pObject, pExpiry 
  put "http://" & pBucket & ".s3.amazonaws.com/" & pObject &
"?AWSAccessKeyId=" & AWS_AK into tUrl 
  put "&Expires=" & pExpiry & "&Signature=" & makeQauth(pBucket, pObject,
pExpiry) after tUrl 
  return tUrl 
end s3.timeLimitURL 
____________________ 


in another file 's3getfile.irev' I include the 's3auth.irev' file and call
the s.3timeLimitURL function 
__________________________ 
put the seconds + (60 * 15) into tExpiry --15 minutes 
put "myveryownbucket" into tBucket 
put "myowntestmovie.m4v" into tObject 
put s3.timeLimitURL(tBucket, tObject, tExpiry) into tFileURL 
________________________ 

the tFileURL has all the elements it should have but the signature appears
longer than the one generated by Mark Smith's sample S3 application. 

Any ideas why the signature does not get generated correctly by the
FrankenCode I have thrown together? 

Thanks 

Martin
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 28 16:19:31 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:19:31 -0500
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event #8
In-Reply-To: <531047900484.20110128115153@ahsoftware.net>
References: <53BE8295-0C5D-4ABA-B4A8-D31A5983A85B@economy-x-talk.com>
	<AC97E7B4-A2D9-46F4-AA76-86A4651D403E@mac.com>
	<531047900484.20110128115153@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <6CFED2B7-FDE0-4910-A0A2-D0CCB0BBF24F@mac.com>

;-}

The elusive ice fish floats right under the surface and is very slippery to catch. The only true way to catch them is to use string and salt and sit and wait.


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 28, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Tom-
> 
> Friday, January 28, 2011, 5:40:24 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for taking this on this saturday Mark. I hope to be there
>> again this week (unless I'm out ice fishing)
> 
> Dude - you shouldn't have to go fishing for ice. It's everywhere. I'll
> email you some when I get a chance.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Fri Jan 28 16:28:59 2011
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 22:28:59 +0100
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2EDEC546-2EFB-4275-B58F-FE3966DAC050@mines-paristech.fr>

Have you tried Dropbox on local/cloud storage and syncing? They have a free 2 gig account and it is very, very convenient. It has Windows, Mac, Iphone, IPad (and Linux I believe), and it can also be used from an internet browser. It syncs local dropbox folders on your PC/device; you can also send http links for files in the public subfolder.
www.dropbox.com
Best,
	Fran?ois
Le 28 janv. 2011 ? 16:05, Martin Koob a ?crit :

> 
> I have been testing uploading via post to on-rev and have found the limit is
> about 10.1 MB.  I was using movie files of various sizes and the largest I
> could successfully upload was 10.1 MB.  If I tried one of 10.2 Mb it would
> write a Quicktime file that had no data in it, it was  0 MB file.  If I
> tried to open it Quicktime gave a 'This is not a movie file' error.
> 
> I guess this is a limit set in the on-rev server.  
> 
> As a way of accommodating larger file uploads for a site hosted on on-rev I
> am thinking of using Amazon S3.
> 
> I want to use browser based uploads to have users upload a movie to the
> server and then use authenticated URLs to access the movie files. 
> 
> Has anyone done something like this?
> 
> -- 
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Jan 28 16:31:44 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:31:44 -0800
Subject: Project Madness
In-Reply-To: <189BA668-7FCB-4D0D-ADAE-9251F63C99D3@mac.com>
References: <189BA668-7FCB-4D0D-ADAE-9251F63C99D3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikPT-4tYdGOS+8SvmvOZOqdK=WhP1Q3otwvxr8-@mail.gmail.com>

 *They* know what you are doing!
That's exactly why one will not see *fade to black scene transitions* on
commercial TV any more, and will see random ads tacked on other random spots
during commercial breaks, with a hard cuts and no black. This makes for some
interesting juxtapositions, as the human mind is still processing the
previous message, then thrust into another world without warning.

On 28 January 2011 13:13, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:

>
> I know! I'll write a program that reads the brightness of the screen on my
> TV and since most Commercials are brighter than the show or movie I am
> watching I can determine if a commercial is on and turn down the sound for a
> minute or two and then turn it back up after the commercial. I take
> photoresistor readings and based on those look up the time




Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Jan 28 16:36:26 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:36:26 -0800
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <2EDEC546-2EFB-4275-B58F-FE3966DAC050@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<2EDEC546-2EFB-4275-B58F-FE3966DAC050@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimc1pSTrNsC0Un2qJyeFyeQ2Mmk8OT1U6JbNE07@mail.gmail.com>

I use dropbox for syncing my entire Livecode folder. Plugins, Remo settings,
etc.

2011/1/28 Fran?ois Chaplais <francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr>

> Have you tried Dropbox on local/cloud storage and syncing? They have a free
> 2 gig account and it is very, very convenient. It has Windows, Mac, Iphone,
> IPad (and Linux I believe), and it can also be used from an internet
> browser. It syncs local dropbox folders on your PC/device; you can also send
> http links for files in the public subfolder.
> www.dropbox.com
> Best,
>        Fran?ois
> Le 28 janv. 2011 ? 16:05, Martin Koob a ?crit :
>
> >
> > I have been testing uploading via post to on-rev and have found the limit
> is
> > about 10.1 MB.  I was using movie files of various sizes and the largest
> I
> > could successfully upload was 10.1 MB.  If I tried one of 10.2 Mb it
> would
> > write a Quicktime file that had no data in it, it was  0 MB file.  If I
> > tried to open it Quicktime gave a 'This is not a movie file' error.
> >
> > I guess this is a limit set in the on-rev server.
> >
> > As a way of accommodating larger file uploads for a site hosted on on-rev
> I
> > am thinking of using Amazon S3.
> >
> > I want to use browser based uploads to have users upload a movie to the
> > server and then use authenticated URLs to access the movie files.
> >
> > Has anyone done something like this?
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/on-rev-upload-limits-and-Amazon-S3-as-an-alternative-tp3244672p3244672.html
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jan 28 16:55:38 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:55:38 -0800
Subject: Alternating Column Colors?
Message-ID: <C9687B5A.50A9B%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hi List:

The data grid nicely incorporates alternating line colors.  But does anyone
know if it's possible to make alternating column colors or cell colors?

I'm building a control that has a horizontal scrolling data grid with only
one row.  I'd like to be able to set alternating colors for cells or columns
in the row.  Possible?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design





From mkoob at rogers.com  Fri Jan 28 17:01:45 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:01:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <1296249496187-3245419.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim2rJX3h1psYEq0pYp+sGLtbLMU-r0HH4_JVCWY@mail.gmail.com>
	<1296239564352-3245122.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikZf0nt0xvgwaii6_sqjGx-whZxDnmTXu7ZYOhU@mail.gmail.com>
	<1296249496187-3245419.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1296252105813-3245520.post@n4.nabble.com>


I just realized I forgot one function that is in the s3auth.irev file

##from Mark Smith's LibS3
function makeObject pBucket, pKey
   replace "/" with empty in pBucket
   put "/" & pBucket into tObject
   if pKey is not empty then
      if char 1 of pKey is not "/" then put "/" after tObject
      put pKey after tObject
   end if
   return tObject
end makeObject


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From mkoob at rogers.com  Fri Jan 28 17:12:50 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:12:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimc1pSTrNsC0Un2qJyeFyeQ2Mmk8OT1U6JbNE07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<2EDEC546-2EFB-4275-B58F-FE3966DAC050@mines-paristech.fr>
	<AANLkTimc1pSTrNsC0Un2qJyeFyeQ2Mmk8OT1U6JbNE07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1296252770540-3245540.post@n4.nabble.com>


I am looking at AmazonS3 because of the ability to have time limited
authenticated URLs to specific files.  I was looking at the documentation
for DropBox and it has shared folders but can it have links to individual
files.  With AmazonS3 should be able to generate authenticated URLs on the
fly using on-rev server.(haven't figured out how to do it correctly yet
though.

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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Fri Jan 28 18:03:36 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:03:36 -0800
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <2EDEC546-2EFB-4275-B58F-FE3966DAC050@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<2EDEC546-2EFB-4275-B58F-FE3966DAC050@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <6E1F75CC-BE11-47F6-97B3-12E5C1AD1CE8@mollysrevenge.com>

Another good one is box.net.  You get 5gigs free with them but there is a 25meg(?) limit on individual file size.

Pete Haworth
On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:

> Have you tried Dropbox on local/cloud storage and syncing? They have a free 2 gig account and it is very, very convenient. It has Windows, Mac, Iphone, IPad (and Linux I believe), and it can also be used from an internet browser. It syncs local dropbox folders on your PC/device; you can also send http links for files in the public subfolder.
> www.dropbox.com
> Best,
> 	Fran?ois
> Le 28 janv. 2011 ? 16:05, Martin Koob a ?crit :
> 
>> 
>> I have been testing uploading via post to on-rev and have found the limit is
>> about 10.1 MB.  I was using movie files of various sizes and the largest I
>> could successfully upload was 10.1 MB.  If I tried one of 10.2 Mb it would
>> write a Quicktime file that had no data in it, it was  0 MB file.  If I
>> tried to open it Quicktime gave a 'This is not a movie file' error.
>> 
>> I guess this is a limit set in the on-rev server.  
>> 
>> As a way of accommodating larger file uploads for a site hosted on on-rev I
>> am thinking of using Amazon S3.
>> 
>> I want to use browser based uploads to have users upload a movie to the
>> server and then use authenticated URLs to access the movie files. 
>> 
>> Has anyone done something like this?
>> 
>> -- 
>> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/on-rev-upload-limits-and-Amazon-S3-as-an-alternative-tp3244672p3244672.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> 
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 28 18:05:51 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:05:51 -0500
Subject: SPAM Square Up
Message-ID: <4E2F85CB-FCDF-4723-8048-00318BE931A0@mac.com>

FYI -- I am not connected with these guys at all. I just got my credit card reader from squareup.com for free and can now accept credit card payments for my work (American Express too.) Very cool and free. They send you the reader after signing up for the app. It works on iPhone, iPad and Android. At first I thought it was weird and suspect but after major research it turns out they are the creator of Twitter along with the guy from digg and a bunch of investors offering this.

Anyway I think - get it while it's free.
-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net




From mkoob at rogers.com  Fri Jan 28 18:30:05 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:30:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <1296252105813-3245520.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim2rJX3h1psYEq0pYp+sGLtbLMU-r0HH4_JVCWY@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1296252105813-3245520.post@n4.nabble.com>
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One other thing.

I noticed from the Amazon S3 docs about the signature of the request should
be
"The URL encoding of the Base64 encoding of the HMAC-SHA1 of StringToSign."

http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AmazonS3/latest/dev/index.html?RESTAuthentication.html


so instead of 
return urlencode(_oauthHMACSHA1(stringToSign, AWS_SK))

I tried base64encoding the HMAC-SHA1 digest

return urlencode(base64encode(_oauthHMACSHA1(stringToSign, AWS_SK)))

That did not work.

I also tried encoding the stringtosign with UTF8 before the HMACSHA1 digest

return urlencode(base64encode(_oauthHMACSHA1(uniEncode(stringToSign,"UTF8"),
AWS_SK)))

still no luck.

I think there are three possible sources of the error.
-my string to sign is wrong (I have checked with the docs and from my
understanding it is correct.)
-my encoding is wrong(I am following the one that works with Mark Smith's
Lib S3 Stack)
-the _oauthHMACSHA1 handler  (is this only for oAuth and does something
different need to be done for S3?)

Thanks for any suggestions.

Martin

 



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From johnpatten at mac.com  Fri Jan 28 18:36:55 2011
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:36:55 -0800
Subject: Resizing text field with line of text and Dragging Objects in Group?
In-Reply-To: <B6B18419-D36B-4811-A50D-5016F4DA496E@laposte.net>
References: <B8213429-D5BE-4B06-9C54-3F115D02EB3D@gmail.com>
	<B6B18419-D36B-4811-A50D-5016F4DA496E@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <BA05AB44-14B5-4534-9A04-AFFB584DF103@mac.com>


Hi All!

I have two questions I've been struggling with. The first is related  
to text fields. Is there a way to resize a text field that has a  
single line of text in it so that it is as wide as the text inside  
it?  My attempts have been to determine the number of characters in  
the field and multiply that by some number to create the width of the  
field. That doesn't work too well.

My second question is related to groups. I'm dragging some fields  
around in a group and the group does not resize when i go beyond the  
boundingRect of the group like I've read it should.

I'm setting the boundingRect to empty and setting the locklocation  
property to false but when i drag the field to edge of the group it  
disappears ;-)  ... i did see there were some issues with BoundingRect  
described in previous posts...

Thank you!

John Patten
SUSD






From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 28 18:38:17 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:38:17 -0800
Subject: Project Madness
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikPT-4tYdGOS+8SvmvOZOqdK=WhP1Q3otwvxr8-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <189BA668-7FCB-4D0D-ADAE-9251F63C99D3@mac.com>
	<AANLkTikPT-4tYdGOS+8SvmvOZOqdK=WhP1Q3otwvxr8-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74AEB3C0-79AF-4415-87E0-DE08E4E0013D@twft.com>

Someone sent me an email with a bunch of math questions that I was supposed to answer as quickly as I could and then at the end it asked me to name a color and a tool. I randomly (I thought) picked red hammer. 

I scrolled down to the end and to my horror and disbelief the email said, "You picked red hammer didn't you?" It then went on to explain that over 98% of people will say red hammer. Now I KNOW I did not come out of the womb that way! I've been PROGRAMMED DAMMIT! o.O

Bob


On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:31 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> *They* know what you are doing!
> That's exactly why one will not see *fade to black scene transitions* on
> commercial TV any more, and will see random ads tacked on other random spots
> during commercial breaks, with a hard cuts and no black. This makes for some
> interesting juxtapositions, as the human mind is still processing the
> previous message, then thrust into another world without warning.
> 
> On 28 January 2011 13:13, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I know! I'll write a program that reads the brightness of the screen on my
>> TV and since most Commercials are brighter than the show or movie I am
>> watching I can determine if a commercial is on and turn down the sound for a
>> minute or two and then turn it back up after the commercial. I take
>> photoresistor readings and based on those look up the time
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
> 
> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
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From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Fri Jan 28 18:40:57 2011
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 23:40:57 +0000
Subject: Resizing text field with line of text and Dragging Objects in
	Group?
In-Reply-To: <BA05AB44-14B5-4534-9A04-AFFB584DF103@mac.com>
References: <B8213429-D5BE-4B06-9C54-3F115D02EB3D@gmail.com>,
	<B6B18419-D36B-4811-A50D-5016F4DA496E@laposte.net>,
	<BA05AB44-14B5-4534-9A04-AFFB584DF103@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAY152-w47309E0D6798A3A7841B85EDE10@phx.gbl>



To answer your first question...

set the width of fld 1 to the formattedWidth of fld 1

> Hi All!
> 
> I have two questions I've been struggling with. The first is related  
> to text fields. Is there a way to resize a text field that has a  
> single line of text in it so that it is as wide as the text inside  
> it?  My attempts have been to determine the number of characters in  
> the field and multiply that by some number to create the width of the  
> field. That doesn't work too well.
> 
> My second question is related to groups. I'm dragging some fields  
> around in a group and the group does not resize when i go beyond the  
> boundingRect of the group like I've read it should.
> 
> I'm setting the boundingRect to empty and setting the locklocation  
> property to false but when i drag the field to edge of the group it  
> disappears ;-)  ... i did see there were some issues with BoundingRect  
> described in previous posts...
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> John Patten
> SUSD

 		 	   		  

From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 28 18:54:58 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:54:58 -0800
Subject: Alternating Column Colors?
In-Reply-To: <C9687B5A.50A9B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C9687B5A.50A9B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <689BFF5A-E660-461B-B188-E8120C77FDEA@twft.com>

Oh cool! Then you could make a chess or checkers game! I get it! 

I read the API and none of the properties suggests you can do this. I think you will have to find the part of the parent script that draws the cells and change the background color on each one individually for odd or even rows. 

The problem will then become, what happens if there is no data? Rows get colored even if there is no data, but no actual cells (cloned fields) get created until there is data. 

I tried to edit the row template and put a colored square over the gray bar, but mine is a table not a form. You might be able to do it in a form, I'm not sure. At any rate it didn't work for me. 

Bob


On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Hi List:
> 
> The data grid nicely incorporates alternating line colors.  But does anyone
> know if it's possible to make alternating column colors or cell colors?
> 
> I'm building a control that has a horizontal scrolling data grid with only
> one row.  I'd like to be able to set alternating colors for cells or columns
> in the row.  Possible?
> 
> Thanks & Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 28 20:17:29 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:17:29 -0800
Subject: Project Madness
In-Reply-To: <74AEB3C0-79AF-4415-87E0-DE08E4E0013D@twft.com>
References: <189BA668-7FCB-4D0D-ADAE-9251F63C99D3@mac.com>
	<AANLkTikPT-4tYdGOS+8SvmvOZOqdK=WhP1Q3otwvxr8-@mail.gmail.com>
	<74AEB3C0-79AF-4415-87E0-DE08E4E0013D@twft.com>
Message-ID: <901067436156.20110128171729@ahsoftware.net>

Bob-

Friday, January 28, 2011, 3:38:17 PM, you wrote:

> Someone sent me an email with a bunch of math questions that I
> was supposed to answer as quickly as I could and then at the end it
> asked me to name a color and a tool. I randomly (I thought) picked
> red hammer. 

> I scrolled down to the end and to my horror and disbelief the
> email said, "You picked red hammer didn't you?" It then went on to
> explain that over 98% of people will say red hammer. Now I KNOW I
> did not come out of the womb that way! I've been PROGRAMMED DAMMIT!

...to a boy with a sickle, everything looks like a red hammer...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 28 20:24:34 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:24:34 -0800
Subject: SPAM Square Up
In-Reply-To: <4E2F85CB-FCDF-4723-8048-00318BE931A0@mac.com>
References: <4E2F85CB-FCDF-4723-8048-00318BE931A0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <331067861359.20110128172434@ahsoftware.net>

Thomas-

Friday, January 28, 2011, 3:05:51 PM, you wrote:

> FYI -- I am not connected with these guys at all. I just got my
> credit card reader from squareup.com for free and can now accept
> credit card payments for my work (American Express too.) Very cool
> and free. They send you the reader after signing up for the app. It
> works on iPhone, iPad and Android. At first I thought it was weird
> and suspect but after major research it turns out they are the
> creator of Twitter along with the guy from digg and a bunch of
> investors offering this.

I opted out when they wanted my FEIN and Social Security number.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From bobs at twft.com  Fri Jan 28 20:27:15 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:27:15 -0800
Subject: SPAM Square Up
In-Reply-To: <331067861359.20110128172434@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4E2F85CB-FCDF-4723-8048-00318BE931A0@mac.com>
	<331067861359.20110128172434@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <73D39F0B-C9A7-45E4-AE06-6A9DC65422BD@twft.com>

REALLY?? Gah!!


On Jan 28, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Thomas-
> 
> Friday, January 28, 2011, 3:05:51 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> FYI -- I am not connected with these guys at all. I just got my
>> credit card reader from squareup.com for free and can now accept
>> credit card payments for my work (American Express too.) Very cool
>> and free. They send you the reader after signing up for the app. It
>> works on iPhone, iPad and Android. At first I thought it was weird
>> and suspect but after major research it turns out they are the
>> creator of Twitter along with the guy from digg and a bunch of
>> investors offering this.
> 
> I opted out when they wanted my FEIN and Social Security number.
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Jan 28 20:28:45 2011
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:28:45 -0800
Subject: SPAM Square Up
In-Reply-To: <331067861359.20110128172434@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4E2F85CB-FCDF-4723-8048-00318BE931A0@mac.com>
	<331067861359.20110128172434@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimx85jyL0LC3eMTesWUxhoyrgNuODUL4o0t0swB@mail.gmail.com>

yeah, I did the same thing - I just closed the browser abruptly before it
got too personal.

On 28 January 2011 17:24, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Thomas-
>
> Friday, January 28, 2011, 3:05:51 PM, you wrote:
>
> > FYI -- I am not connected with these guys at all. I just got my
> > credit card reader from squareup.com for free and can now accept
> > credit card payments for my work (American Express too.) Very cool
> > and free. They send you the reader after signing up for the app. It
> > works on iPhone, iPad and Android. At first I thought it was weird
> > and suspect but after major research it turns out they are the
> > creator of Twitter along with the guy from digg and a bunch of
> > investors offering this.
>
> I opted out when they wanted my FEIN and Social Security number.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
>
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-- 



Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jan 28 20:29:25 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:29:25 -0800
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <1296252770540-3245540.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<2EDEC546-2EFB-4275-B58F-FE3966DAC050@mines-paristech.fr>
	<AANLkTimc1pSTrNsC0Un2qJyeFyeQ2Mmk8OT1U6JbNE07@mail.gmail.com>
	<1296252770540-3245540.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1471068152453.20110128172925@ahsoftware.net>

Martin-

Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:12:50 PM, you wrote:

> I was looking at the documentation for DropBox and it has shared
> folders but can it have links to individual files.

https://www.dropbox.com/help/16

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Fri Jan 28 21:49:23 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 21:49:23 -0500
Subject: SPAM Square Up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimx85jyL0LC3eMTesWUxhoyrgNuODUL4o0t0swB@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E2F85CB-FCDF-4723-8048-00318BE931A0@mac.com>
	<331067861359.20110128172434@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTimx85jyL0LC3eMTesWUxhoyrgNuODUL4o0t0swB@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1186C1AD-5666-49FF-B2C4-780BE62A0B09@mac.com>

Yeah that's why I put spam in the subject cause I got the same feeling at first. But after researching awhile I realized that that was how they keep people honest with the thing. Still the process was a bit creepy.

So they are legit BUT I don't know how much info a normal credit card company reader would ask for and they are not free.

I can enter numbers directly too and that means I can accept credit card orders over the internet if by hand any way....

YMMV

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:28 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> yeah, I did the same thing - I just closed the browser abruptly before it
> got too personal.
> 
> On 28 January 2011 17:24, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
>> Thomas-
>> 
>> Friday, January 28, 2011, 3:05:51 PM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> FYI -- I am not connected with these guys at all. I just got my
>>> credit card reader from squareup.com for free and can now accept
>>> credit card payments for my work (American Express too.) Very cool
>>> and free. They send you the reader after signing up for the app. It
>>> works on iPhone, iPad and Android. At first I thought it was weird
>>> and suspect but after major research it turns out they are the
>>> creator of Twitter along with the guy from digg and a bunch of
>>> investors offering this.
>> 
>> I opted out when they wanted my FEIN and Social Security number.
>> 
>> --
>> -Mark Wieder
>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco Ca. USA
> 
> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
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From johnpatten at mac.com  Sat Jan 29 00:17:56 2011
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 21:17:56 -0800
Subject: Getting Contents of Multiple fields in order (Left-to-Right&Down)
In-Reply-To: <BAY152-w47309E0D6798A3A7841B85EDE10@phx.gbl>
References: <B8213429-D5BE-4B06-9C54-3F115D02EB3D@gmail.com>
	<B6B18419-D36B-4811-A50D-5016F4DA496E@laposte.net>
	<BA05AB44-14B5-4534-9A04-AFFB584DF103@mac.com>
	<BAY152-w47309E0D6798A3A7841B85EDE10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0B9266DE-CFEA-4D58-B020-16472FC8DCE7@mac.com>


Hi All...

I have a card with four fields. The field can be dragged around by the user. I want to get the contents of each field and put them all in one container.

My attempt is below. I attempted to sort the list of fld locations but that is susceptible to the y coordinate being above the previous field and throwing off the sort.

Here is what I tried:

on mouseUp
-- sort item 1 of the field locations
   put 1 into x
   put 2 into y
   put the number of lines in cd fld "data" into tCount
   repeat for tCount-1
      put item x of line x of cd fld "data" into tFirstTest
      put item x of line y of cd fld "data" into tSecondTest
      if tFirstTest > tSecondTest then
         put line y of cd fld "data" & return after cd fld "sortedData"
         delete line y of cd fld "data"
      else
         put line x of cd fld "data" & return after cd fld "sortedData"
         delete line x of cd fld "data"
         end if
      end repeat
      put line 1 of cd fld "data" after cd fld "sortedData"
      delete line 1 of cd fld "data"
      

-- sort item 2 of the fld locations
      put 1 into x
      put 2 into y
      put the number of lines in cd fld "sortedData" into tCount
      repeat for tCount-1
      put item y of line x of cd fld "sorteddata" into tFirstTest
      put item y of line y of cd fld "sorteddata" into tSecondTest
      if tFirstTest > tSecondTest then
         put line y of cd fld "sorteddata" & return after cd fld "Data"
         delete line y of cd fld "sorteddata"
      else
         put line x of cd fld "sorteddata" & return after cd fld "Data"
         delete line x of cd fld "sorteddata"
         end if
      end repeat
      put line 1 of cd fld "sorteddata" after cd fld "Data"
      delete line 1 of cd fld "sorteddata"


--put the field contents in the user's order
      put the number of lines in cd fld "data" into tCount
      put 1 into x
     repeat tCount
         put item 3 of line x of cd fld "data" into tTargetField
         put cd fld tTargetField of group "theFields" & " " after tWholeenchilada
         add 1 to x
      end repeat
      put tWholeenchilada
end mouseUp


Thank you!

John Patten
SUSD



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sat Jan 29 01:35:29 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 22:35:29 -0800
Subject: SPAM Square Up
In-Reply-To: <1186C1AD-5666-49FF-B2C4-780BE62A0B09@mac.com>
References: <4E2F85CB-FCDF-4723-8048-00318BE931A0@mac.com>
	<331067861359.20110128172434@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTimx85jyL0LC3eMTesWUxhoyrgNuODUL4o0t0swB@mail.gmail.com>
	<1186C1AD-5666-49FF-B2C4-780BE62A0B09@mac.com>
Message-ID: <80685100-EE6D-4825-81C1-6C458F5C104C@mollysrevenge.com>

I have a wireless credit card terminal and they all want at least this level of personal info if not more.  Not saying if it's right or wrong, just that if you want a credit card account, that's what's required.  I got the terminal for free in exchange for signing up for a 2-year contract, so yes free swipers are available in exchange for commitments, just like cell phones.

Tom - watch out for keying in numbers rather than swiping the card - they will ding you a hefty surcharge for doing that.  For online orders, try Paypal - people can pay by credit card without having a PayPal account and their fees are pretty comparable to the credit card processors, especially for casual use.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 28, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Yeah that's why I put spam in the subject cause I got the same feeling at first. But after researching awhile I realized that that was how they keep people honest with the thing. Still the process was a bit creepy.
> 
> So they are legit BUT I don't know how much info a normal credit card company reader would ask for and they are not free.
> 
> I can enter numbers directly too and that means I can accept credit card orders over the internet if by hand any way....
> 
> YMMV
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:28 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
> 
>> yeah, I did the same thing - I just closed the browser abruptly before it
>> got too personal.
>> 
>> On 28 January 2011 17:24, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thomas-
>>> 
>>> Friday, January 28, 2011, 3:05:51 PM, you wrote:
>>> 
>>>> FYI -- I am not connected with these guys at all. I just got my
>>>> credit card reader from squareup.com for free and can now accept
>>>> credit card payments for my work (American Express too.) Very cool
>>>> and free. They send you the reader after signing up for the app. It
>>>> works on iPhone, iPad and Android. At first I thought it was weird
>>>> and suspect but after major research it turns out they are the
>>>> creator of Twitter along with the guy from digg and a bunch of
>>>> investors offering this.
>>> 
>>> I opted out when they wanted my FEIN and Social Security number.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> -Mark Wieder
>>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco Ca. USA
>> 
>> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 29 07:12:22 2011
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 04:12:22 -0800
Subject: Getting Contents of Multiple fields in order (Left-to-Right&Down)
In-Reply-To: <0B9266DE-CFEA-4D58-B020-16472FC8DCE7@mac.com>
References: <B8213429-D5BE-4B06-9C54-3F115D02EB3D@gmail.com>
	<B6B18419-D36B-4811-A50D-5016F4DA496E@laposte.net>
	<BA05AB44-14B5-4534-9A04-AFFB584DF103@mac.com>
	<BAY152-w47309E0D6798A3A7841B85EDE10@phx.gbl>
	<0B9266DE-CFEA-4D58-B020-16472FC8DCE7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <08592DC8-12CD-4E96-A442-83DF1C0347C9@yahoo.com>

Assuming all fields on a card are the target fields to sort and combine

on sortFlds
    repeat with k = 1 to the number of fields
       put the rect of field k after fieldList
       put comma & k after fieldList
       put cr after fieldList
    end repeat
    sort fieldList numeric by item 2 of each -- Y
    sort fieldList numeric by item 1 of each -- X

    repeat for each line LNN in fieldList
       put fld (item 5 of LNN) after tWholeenchilada
       put cr after tWholeenchilada
    end repeat
    put tWholeenchilada into msg box
end sortFlds

--  in the second repeat loop you could use ...
--  put item 5 of LNN into fldNum
--  put fld fldNum after tWholeenchilada

Hope this helps.

On Jan 28, 2011, at 9:17 PM, John Patten wrote:
>
> I have a card with four fields. The field can be dragged around by  
> the user. I want to get the contents of each field and put them all  
> in one container.
>
> My attempt is below. I attempted to sort the list of fld locations  
> but that is susceptible to the y coordinate being above the previous  
> field and throwing off the sort.
>
> Here is what I tried:
>
> on mouseUp
> -- sort item 1 of the field locations
>   put 1 into x
>   put 2 into y
>   put the number of lines in cd fld "data" into tCount
>   repeat for tCount-1
>      put item x of line x of cd fld "data" into tFirstTest
>      put item x of line y of cd fld "data" into tSecondTest
>      if tFirstTest > tSecondTest then
>         put line y of cd fld "data" & return after cd fld "sortedData"
>         delete line y of cd fld "data"
>      else
>         put line x of cd fld "data" & return after cd fld "sortedData"
>         delete line x of cd fld "data"
>         end if
>      end repeat
>      put line 1 of cd fld "data" after cd fld "sortedData"
>      delete line 1 of cd fld "data"
>
>
> -- sort item 2 of the fld locations
>      put 1 into x
>      put 2 into y
>      put the number of lines in cd fld "sortedData" into tCount
>      repeat for tCount-1
>      put item y of line x of cd fld "sorteddata" into tFirstTest
>      put item y of line y of cd fld "sorteddata" into tSecondTest
>      if tFirstTest > tSecondTest then
>         put line y of cd fld "sorteddata" & return after cd fld "Data"
>         delete line y of cd fld "sorteddata"
>      else
>         put line x of cd fld "sorteddata" & return after cd fld "Data"
>         delete line x of cd fld "sorteddata"
>         end if
>      end repeat
>      put line 1 of cd fld "sorteddata" after cd fld "Data"
>      delete line 1 of cd fld "sorteddata"
>
>
> --put the field contents in the user's order
>      put the number of lines in cd fld "data" into tCount
>      put 1 into x
>     repeat tCount
>         put item 3 of line x of cd fld "data" into tTargetField
>         put cd fld tTargetField of group "theFields" & " " after  
> tWholeenchilada
>         add 1 to x
>      end repeat
>      put tWholeenchilada
> end mouseUp
>

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sat Jan 29 08:55:55 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 08:55:55 -0500
Subject: SPAM Square Up
In-Reply-To: <80685100-EE6D-4825-81C1-6C458F5C104C@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <4E2F85CB-FCDF-4723-8048-00318BE931A0@mac.com>
	<331067861359.20110128172434@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTimx85jyL0LC3eMTesWUxhoyrgNuODUL4o0t0swB@mail.gmail.com>
	<1186C1AD-5666-49FF-B2C4-780BE62A0B09@mac.com>
	<80685100-EE6D-4825-81C1-6C458F5C104C@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <60D520A2-9BB6-43F6-BF4B-9FA6C8A564F0@mac.com>

Thanks Pete,

This is all new to me. But I did have fun last night looking for things to sell my friends so I could swipe their cards into my iPhone... Hmmmm what else can I sell.....


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 29, 2011, at 1:35 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> I have a wireless credit card terminal and they all want at least this level of personal info if not more.  Not saying if it's right or wrong, just that if you want a credit card account, that's what's required.  I got the terminal for free in exchange for signing up for a 2-year contract, so yes free swipers are available in exchange for commitments, just like cell phones.
> 
> Tom - watch out for keying in numbers rather than swiping the card - they will ding you a hefty surcharge for doing that.  For online orders, try Paypal - people can pay by credit card without having a PayPal account and their fees are pretty comparable to the credit card processors, especially for casual use.
> 
> Pete Haworth
> 
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> Yeah that's why I put spam in the subject cause I got the same feeling at first. But after researching awhile I realized that that was how they keep people honest with the thing. Still the process was a bit creepy.
>> 
>> So they are legit BUT I don't know how much info a normal credit card company reader would ask for and they are not free.
>> 
>> I can enter numbers directly too and that means I can accept credit card orders over the internet if by hand any way....
>> 
>> YMMV
>> 
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>> 
>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:28 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>> 
>>> yeah, I did the same thing - I just closed the browser abruptly before it
>>> got too personal.
>>> 
>>> On 28 January 2011 17:24, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thomas-
>>>> 
>>>> Friday, January 28, 2011, 3:05:51 PM, you wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> FYI -- I am not connected with these guys at all. I just got my
>>>>> credit card reader from squareup.com for free and can now accept
>>>>> credit card payments for my work (American Express too.) Very cool
>>>>> and free. They send you the reader after signing up for the app. It
>>>>> works on iPhone, iPad and Android. At first I thought it was weird
>>>>> and suspect but after major research it turns out they are the
>>>>> creator of Twitter along with the guy from digg and a bunch of
>>>>> investors offering this.
>>>> 
>>>> I opted out when they wanted my FEIN and Social Security number.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> -Mark Wieder
>>>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Stephen Barncard
>>> San Francisco Ca. USA
>>> 
>>> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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From jemirandav at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 10:31:47 2011
From: jemirandav at gmail.com (Javier Miranda V.)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:31:47 -0400
Subject: LiveCode for e-book production
Message-ID: <E5C4D41B-542E-4FB7-B463-4EC6C471C3F9@gmail.com>

Dear friends, can you please give me your opinions on using LiveCode for e-book production?.  I know LiveCode, being so powerful, can handle complex projects involving lots of logic and structures, but is it suitable / practical to use it for e-book production?.  The possibility of compile for the new mobile operating systems is something wonderful that I would like to to use coupled with the multimedia capabilities.  

I will be looking forward for your impressions about this.


Saludos,

Javier Miranda V.







From mkoob at rogers.com  Sat Jan 29 10:34:46 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 07:34:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikZf0nt0xvgwaii6_sqjGx-whZxDnmTXu7ZYOhU@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTim2rJX3h1psYEq0pYp+sGLtbLMU-r0HH4_JVCWY@mail.gmail.com>
	<1296239564352-3245122.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<AANLkTikZf0nt0xvgwaii6_sqjGx-whZxDnmTXu7ZYOhU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1296315286999-3246264.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Andre

I copied the stack script of Mark Smith's AWS libraries and with some
tweaking to make them conform to how rev server works I got it to work to
sign and Authenticated URL using HMACSHA1.

However I get the same result as when I use the Shell command, the signature
does not match.

So It seems I was going at this from the wrong angle.

I think the stringtosign I am using is wrong.  Mark Smith's library is using
the following as the string to sign.

GET\n
\n
\n


expiry\n
URI

I suspect that on-rev is sending a different set of headers than the string
to sign so when Amazon compares the GET request and the string that was
signed they don't match.

I tried to use libURLlastHTTPheaders() to see what headers are being sent
but that does not work with on-rev.

Does anyone know what headers are sent?

Should I set my own headers to conform with what amazon is expecting with
the on-rev header command?

Thanks.

Martin



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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sat Jan 29 12:08:08 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:08:08 -0800
Subject: SPAM Square Up
In-Reply-To: <60D520A2-9BB6-43F6-BF4B-9FA6C8A564F0@mac.com>
References: <4E2F85CB-FCDF-4723-8048-00318BE931A0@mac.com>
	<331067861359.20110128172434@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTimx85jyL0LC3eMTesWUxhoyrgNuODUL4o0t0swB@mail.gmail.com>
	<1186C1AD-5666-49FF-B2C4-780BE62A0B09@mac.com>
	<80685100-EE6D-4825-81C1-6C458F5C104C@mollysrevenge.com>
	<60D520A2-9BB6-43F6-BF4B-9FA6C8A564F0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D85ADA16-424B-43DA-B1D1-F975C27C37B3@mollysrevenge.com>

Don't know about these guys but the credit card processing market is full of hidden charges - very much like cell phone plans.  For example, I get charged $10/month as a "statement fee"!!!  

Pete Haworth

On Jan 29, 2011, at 5:55 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Thanks Pete,
> 
> This is all new to me. But I did have fun last night looking for things to sell my friends so I could swipe their cards into my iPhone... Hmmmm what else can I sell.....
> 
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> On Jan 29, 2011, at 1:35 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> 
>> I have a wireless credit card terminal and they all want at least this level of personal info if not more.  Not saying if it's right or wrong, just that if you want a credit card account, that's what's required.  I got the terminal for free in exchange for signing up for a 2-year contract, so yes free swipers are available in exchange for commitments, just like cell phones.
>> 
>> Tom - watch out for keying in numbers rather than swiping the card - they will ding you a hefty surcharge for doing that.  For online orders, try Paypal - people can pay by credit card without having a PayPal account and their fees are pretty comparable to the credit card processors, especially for casual use.
>> 
>> Pete Haworth
>> 
>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah that's why I put spam in the subject cause I got the same feeling at first. But after researching awhile I realized that that was how they keep people honest with the thing. Still the process was a bit creepy.
>>> 
>>> So they are legit BUT I don't know how much info a normal credit card company reader would ask for and they are not free.
>>> 
>>> I can enter numbers directly too and that means I can accept credit card orders over the internet if by hand any way....
>>> 
>>> YMMV
>>> 
>>> -- Tom McGrath III
>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:28 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>>> 
>>>> yeah, I did the same thing - I just closed the browser abruptly before it
>>>> got too personal.
>>>> 
>>>> On 28 January 2011 17:24, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thomas-
>>>>> 
>>>>> Friday, January 28, 2011, 3:05:51 PM, you wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> FYI -- I am not connected with these guys at all. I just got my
>>>>>> credit card reader from squareup.com for free and can now accept
>>>>>> credit card payments for my work (American Express too.) Very cool
>>>>>> and free. They send you the reader after signing up for the app. It
>>>>>> works on iPhone, iPad and Android. At first I thought it was weird
>>>>>> and suspect but after major research it turns out they are the
>>>>>> creator of Twitter along with the guy from digg and a bunch of
>>>>>> investors offering this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I opted out when they wanted my FEIN and Social Security number.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> -Mark Wieder
>>>>> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Stephen Barncard
>>>> San Francisco Ca. USA
>>>> 
>>>> more about sqb  <http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Sat Jan 29 12:17:44 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:17:44 -0800
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <1471068152453.20110128172925@ahsoftware.net>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<2EDEC546-2EFB-4275-B58F-FE3966DAC050@mines-paristech.fr>
	<AANLkTimc1pSTrNsC0Un2qJyeFyeQ2Mmk8OT1U6JbNE07@mail.gmail.com>
	<1296252770540-3245540.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1471068152453.20110128172925@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <E90B44AA-6F3E-41BD-9EAF-EB0469C1CC25@mollysrevenge.com>

Hi Mark,
I've successfully linked to individual files in dropbox but I don;t know if it would work for someone who didn't have a dropbox account. I just opened the file from dropbox, copied the url, and pasted it in as a link on the web page I wanted to access the file from. 

Pete Haworth

On Jan 28, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Martin-
> 
> Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:12:50 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> I was looking at the documentation for DropBox and it has shared
>> folders but can it have links to individual files.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/help/16
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jan 29 12:27:48 2011
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:27:48 -0800
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
In-Reply-To: <E90B44AA-6F3E-41BD-9EAF-EB0469C1CC25@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <1296227151863-3244672.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<2EDEC546-2EFB-4275-B58F-FE3966DAC050@mines-paristech.fr>
	<AANLkTimc1pSTrNsC0Un2qJyeFyeQ2Mmk8OT1U6JbNE07@mail.gmail.com>
	<1296252770540-3245540.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1471068152453.20110128172925@ahsoftware.net>
	<E90B44AA-6F3E-41BD-9EAF-EB0469C1CC25@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <1841125655093.20110129092748@ahsoftware.net>

Pete-

Saturday, January 29, 2011, 9:17:44 AM, you wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> I've successfully linked to individual files in dropbox but I
> don;t know if it would work for someone who didn't have a dropbox
> account. I just opened the file from dropbox, copied the url, and
> pasted it in as a link on the web page I wanted to access the file
> from. 

I copy links from my Public folder and email them around. Works fine.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net




From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 12:53:05 2011
From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:53:05 -0600
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AF8E9765-52F9-4CFB-B8AB-E4CDC14EF495@gmail.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
	<970379.700.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTikKUBMt3Dox5wxQVYunpdWMWrEMzvoxZY0uqeoB@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimv-8acLUgKknPK2wDj1Wr=e7Jjex2g45wvw4og@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimULkP-3xK=O0Ap54hde=iCXQe5sUoiKbMGUuiZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<A145600F-C978-4A79-903C-0D97EAC16F92@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=x_rrh=Os1B1_CkYypyF2hoed-PvBBnuGbcLYV@mail.gmail.com>
	<AF8E9765-52F9-4CFB-B8AB-E4CDC14EF495@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimFhR4u3KnOF0-wgR65tS7Pt6ZZ39Yxg-Z6X9sp@mail.gmail.com>

I think we're talking apples and oranges. As I said, the difference between
yield() and wait 0 ticks is that one supports two (or more) pieces of code
running in parallel (not simultaneously) with state, and the other doesn't.
This would be a big benefit when programming things like:


> > Currently it is very difficult simply to program any sort of
> > background task whatsoever: processing a log file, making aliens attack,
> > etc. "wait 0 ticks" simply isn't a good answer for those sorts of issues.
> > Ask Malte what he could do for animationEngine (and how much more simply)
> > with coroutines.
>
> Agreed that "wait 0 ticks" isn't a good solution to these sorts of issues,
> and I wasn't trying to imply that it was (if my original email came across
> that way).
>

So I think we're agreed that coroutines would make this easier than wait 0
ticks.


> Coroutines are not pre-emptive.
>

I didn't say they were. I also didn't say they'd improve performance.
Coroutines would make several types of programming problems much easier to
code. I'm not saying they'd make them run faster, except that there are
things that are prohibitively hard to do with wait that would be easy with
yield. Those things would run much faster, since they can't run at all now.


> As long as someone took the time to make an OpenGL plugin for LC, rendering
> could be made fast enough for most simple 2D games
>

Yes, of course if you bolt an engine on your bicycle it will go faster. I'm
not saying LiveCode _can't_ be made faster, just that threads + the current
architecture is still way too slow. Threading current LiveCode
graphics across 2, 4, or even 8 cores is going to give you a sucky game that
eats batteries and still can't compete with Flash on graphics, let alone
native code.

The problem with yielding (or "waiting" in LC terms) is that it basically
> puts me back into the Atari 2600 days of cycle counting, without the
> precision of being able to actually count cycles ;-). I have no idea how
> often I should yield in order to make things nice and smooth. It would be
> SOOO much more convenient if I could just make LC pre-emptive and wait for
> me like so:
>
> send "renderFrame" to me every 30 milliseconds
>

Agreed that pre-emptive threads (or messages if you like) would make this
easier to manage.

Summary:
>
> * What people seem to want here is pre-emption (however that happens).
>

Well, _I_ would be happy with coroutines, and I think I I understand what
I'm asking for ;-)


> * Coroutines are cooperative threads, which means they are not pre-emptive.
>

Yep, totally agreed. I still want them.


> * If you have to yield, it doesn't matter how many HW threads you use.
>

Perhaps agreed. If the underlying engine breaks up tasks and can run them
across multiple cores your whole app will be faster, but that's independent
of what we're doing above the engine. And based on your OpenGL comment, I
think we're both agreed that for game-style graphics performance, neither
coroutines nor threads will fix the problem -- what's needed (if indeed
people want this) is a new graphics library, either as a plugin or directly
in the engine.

regards,

Geoff


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Jan 29 13:09:17 2011
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 10:09:17 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimFhR4u3KnOF0-wgR65tS7Pt6ZZ39Yxg-Z6X9sp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
	<970379.700.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTikKUBMt3Dox5wxQVYunpdWMWrEMzvoxZY0uqeoB@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimv-8acLUgKknPK2wDj1Wr=e7Jjex2g45wvw4og@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimULkP-3xK=O0Ap54hde=iCXQe5sUoiKbMGUuiZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<A145600F-C978-4A79-903C-0D97EAC16F92@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=x_rrh=Os1B1_CkYypyF2hoed-PvBBnuGbcLYV@mail.gmail.com>
	<AF8E9765-52F9-4CFB-B8AB-E4CDC14EF495@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimFhR4u3KnOF0-wgR65tS7Pt6ZZ39Yxg-Z6X9sp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71CF74F8-A6C0-4E25-9A7B-AABE36134CE7@tactilemedia.com>

On Jan 29, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Geoff Canyon Rev <gcanyon+rev at gmail.com> wrote:

> based on your OpenGL comment, I
> think we're both agreed that for game-style graphics performance, neither
> coroutines nor threads will fix the problem -- what's needed (if indeed
> people want this) is a new graphics library, either as a plugin or directly
> in the engine.

+100

Have wanted this for years.  Even moving a single object around on a card can result in tearing (though after recently learning about the syncRate property, one might be able work around this to a degree).  But fast graphics processing would be a very welcome addition.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design






From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan 29 13:13:26 2011
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:13:26 +0100
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event #8 is about to start
Message-ID: <758CDEAC-9CA5-4946-8C93-093D18819BF6@economy-x-talk.com>

Dear LiveCoders,

The 8th edition of the Live LiveCode Code Event will start in just over 45 minutes. 

You can download ChatRev at http://bjoernke.com/chatrev .
More info is available at http://www.livecode.tv . 

I hope to see you there.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.5 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/ce




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan 29 13:43:14 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:43:14 -0600
Subject: Getting Contents of Multiple fields in order (Left-to-Right&Down)
In-Reply-To: <08592DC8-12CD-4E96-A442-83DF1C0347C9@yahoo.com>
References: <B8213429-D5BE-4B06-9C54-3F115D02EB3D@gmail.com>	<B6B18419-D36B-4811-A50D-5016F4DA496E@laposte.net>	<BA05AB44-14B5-4534-9A04-AFFB584DF103@mac.com>	<BAY152-w47309E0D6798A3A7841B85EDE10@phx.gbl>	<0B9266DE-CFEA-4D58-B020-16472FC8DCE7@mac.com>
	<08592DC8-12CD-4E96-A442-83DF1C0347C9@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D445FC2.1030500@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/29/11 6:12 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
> Assuming all fields on a card are the target fields to sort and combine
>
> on sortFlds
> repeat with k = 1 to the number of fields
> put the rect of field k after fieldList
> put comma & k after fieldList
> put cr after fieldList
> end repeat
> sort fieldList numeric by item 2 of each -- Y
> sort fieldList numeric by item 1 of each -- X
>
> repeat for each line LNN in fieldList
> put fld (item 5 of LNN) after tWholeenchilada
> put cr after tWholeenchilada
> end repeat
> put tWholeenchilada into msg box
> end sortFlds
>
> -- in the second repeat loop you could use ...
> -- put item 5 of LNN into fldNum
> -- put fld fldNum after tWholeenchilada
>

I tried something almost identical and it didn't work, so I was waiting 
to see if anyone else could come up with a solution. The task is harder 
than you'd think at first.

For testing, stagger the fields a little bit so their tops and lefts 
aren't aligned in any way.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 29 13:47:34 2011
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 10:47:34 -0800
Subject: LiveCode for e-book production
In-Reply-To: <E5C4D41B-542E-4FB7-B463-4EC6C471C3F9@gmail.com>
References: <E5C4D41B-542E-4FB7-B463-4EC6C471C3F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0483344B-7130-4C40-90C4-5ED1A53BCA3F@yahoo.com>

On Jan 29, 2011, at 7:31 AM, Javier Miranda V. wrote:

> Dear friends, can you please give me your opinions on using LiveCode  
> for e-book production?.  I know LiveCode, being so powerful, can  
> handle complex projects involving lots of logic and structures, but  
> is it suitable / practical to use it for e-book production?.  The  
> possibility of compile for the new mobile operating systems is  
> something wonderful that I would like to to use coupled with the  
> multimedia capabilities.
>

It depends on what you mean by eBook.

These links were posted in the last day or so, and this shows a fine  
example of non-linear story telling.
The material is compelling, and the layout makes navigating the main  
text and sub-level text easy.

Three movies
http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/video/planetarium/SS.mp4
http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/video/planetarium/TL.mp4
http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/video/planetarium/FE.mp4

Also, don't forget that Livecode can access databases, such as MySQL &  
Valentina, and display content in static containers as well as provide  
many kind of animation, blend levels, and transition effects.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 29 14:05:14 2011
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:05:14 -0800
Subject: Getting Contents of Multiple fields in order (Left-to-Right&Down)
In-Reply-To: <4D445FC2.1030500@hyperactivesw.com>
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On Jan 29, 2011, at 10:43 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/29/11 6:12 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
>> Assuming all fields on a card are the target fields to sort and  
>> combine
>>
>> on sortFlds
>> repeat with k = 1 to the number of fields
>> put the rect of field k after fieldList
>> put comma & k after fieldList
>> put cr after fieldList
>> end repeat
>> sort fieldList numeric by item 2 of each -- Y
>> sort fieldList numeric by item 1 of each -- X
>>
>> repeat for each line LNN in fieldList
>> put fld (item 5 of LNN) after tWholeenchilada
>> put cr after tWholeenchilada
>> end repeat
>> put tWholeenchilada into msg box
>> end sortFlds
>>
>> -- in the second repeat loop you could use ...
>> -- put item 5 of LNN into fldNum
>> -- put fld fldNum after tWholeenchilada
>>
>
> I tried something almost identical and it didn't work, so I was  
> waiting to see if anyone else could come up with a solution. The  
> task is harder than you'd think at first.
>
> For testing, stagger the fields a little bit so their tops and lefts  
> aren't aligned in any way.

My test I used did have scattered fields, but if all the X values are  
different, then that becomes the sort order and the Y values have no  
effect on the final order.  I think the idea is to sort based on the X- 
Y ratio, rather than the raw values.

Any algorithm will work and the result become the sort value, such as

get the rect of fleld k
get (item 2 of IT) div (item 1 of IT) after fieldList
put comma & k after fieldList
put cr after fieldList

It depends on the authors desired logic.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Jan 29 14:25:05 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:25:05 -0800
Subject: Alternating Column Colors?
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References: <C9687B5A.50A9B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<689BFF5A-E660-461B-B188-E8120C77FDEA@twft.com>
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Scott,

Each cell in a data grid is a field, so it seems like it should be doable.

I created a DG and put some data in it. Then I did this from msg:

put the number of flds in selobj -- DG was selected
--> 57

put the name of fld 44 of selobj
--> field "Status 0008"

My DG has a column named "Status".

After further poking around, I see:
- each DG cell is a field
- the number of fields is related to the display rect of the DG, not to the 
number of lines of data in it
- fields are recreated when the DG's data is changed
- every field in the DG has a style of 'transparent'
- you can set a field's style to opaque and then any backColor you apply to it 
will show up
- the style changes you make seem to stick until the DG data is changed

Maybe some of the above will help you on your way.

Phil



On 1/28/11 3:54 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Oh cool! Then you could make a chess or checkers game! I get it!
>
> I read the API and none of the properties suggests you can do this. I think you will have to find the part of the parent script that draws the cells and change the background color on each one individually for odd or even rows.
>
> The problem will then become, what happens if there is no data? Rows get colored even if there is no data, but no actual cells (cloned fields) get created until there is data.
>
> I tried to edit the row template and put a colored square over the gray bar, but mine is a table not a form. You might be able to do it in a form, I'm not sure. At any rate it didn't work for me.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>> Hi List:
>>
>> The data grid nicely incorporates alternating line colors.  But does anyone
>> know if it's possible to make alternating column colors or cell colors?
>>
>> I'm building a control that has a horizontal scrolling data grid with only
>> one row.  I'd like to be able to set alternating colors for cells or columns
>> in the row.  Possible?
>>
>> Thanks&  Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>>
>>
>>
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 14:32:35 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:32:35 +0100
Subject: Alternating Column Colors?
In-Reply-To: <C9687B5A.50A9B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C9687B5A.50A9B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
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On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

Hi Scott,

> The data grid nicely incorporates alternating line colors. ?But does anyone
> know if it's possible to make alternating column colors or cell colors?
>
> I'm building a control that has a horizontal scrolling data grid with only
> one row. ?I'd like to be able to set alternating colors for cells or columns
> in the row. ?Possible?

The datagrid object has no direct property for changing the color of a
column, but changing color of a cell or a column (in fact all the
cells of a column) is possible.

Here is an experiment demonstrating how to change the color of a cell,
a column and a column header:

go url "http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=20:experiment-020-change-colors-of-columns-and-cells&id=7:data-grid&Itemid=63"

As pointed out by Bob, this possible solution works only if the
datagrid has data.



Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan 29 14:35:31 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:35:31 -0600
Subject: Getting Contents of Multiple fields in order (Left-to-Right&Down)
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On 1/29/11 1:05 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> It depends on the authors desired logic.

 From the subject title, I'm assuming he wants "natural" reading order. 
Right to left, top to bottom. One of the problems I ran into (and the OP 
mentioned) is that if a field has a Y value slightly below another 
field, but not by much, our eye will see it as "in line" with the field 
next to it, but a sorting algorithm will see it as "below" the field 
next to it.

I tried looping to find successive topleft fields repeatedly, and that 
almost works, but you still get Y-offset problem. I'm thinking you'd 
need to define a cutoff point where a field location is arbitrarily 
defined as "below" the current line; probably the height of the field, I 
guess.

To John: I think I'd cop out and avoid the whole issue by providing 
"drop boxes" where fields will snap to known locations so that I know 
what order to read them in.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 29 14:54:12 2011
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:54:12 -0800
Subject: The many faces of the thumb position
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I dissevered this the hard way.

Put this into the script of  a scrollbar:

on scrollbardrag 
   put the thumbposition of me into x
   put x into field 1
   put x*1  into field 2
end scrollbardrag

You will find that field 1 gets the round(x) while field 2 gets the decimal value of the thumb position, that is you may see 2 into field 1 but 2.3455 in field 2.

Furthermore, if one puts x into a variable, the script window shows only the round value. But if you use that value in a calculation the value becomes the decimal value.

It is helpful to have access to the decimal value of the thumb position, but it is confusing to see only the round of that value in the editor.

Is this an old issue that I am just stumbling over?

Jim Hurley

P.S. If you use "On scrollbardrag x" in the script of the scroll bar, then x is ONLY the whole number value of the scrollbar value. 

Beware of other scripts that use the scrollbar thumb position. That position will be DISPLAYED  as the whole number in the script, but will ACT as the decimal value of the thump position. This really hung me up. 


From massung at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 16:31:17 2011
From: massung at gmail.com (Jeffrey Massung)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:31:17 -0700
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
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Geoff (btw, Jeff here ;-)),

Okay, I think I completely understand where the disconnect lies - and it's with my understanding of the LC internals. I put together a very simple stack that's nothing more than a field "Test" and a button. The button script looks like this:

on mouseUp
   putNumbers
   putLetters
end mouseUp

command putNumbers
   repeat with i = 1 to 26
      put i & cr after fld "Test" 
      wait 0 ticks with messages
   end repeat
end putNumbers

command putLetters
   repeat for each char x in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
      put x & cr after fld "Test"
      wait 0 ticks with messages
   end repeat
end putLetters


Now, if LC essentially already had coroutines, when done, the output in the field should be something like "1a2b3c..." (with newlines of course). However, that's not what's in the field. Instead the output is "123456...abcdef..." This is likely what you were alluding to and I wasn't getting, and this puts an entirely different face on the conversation.

The issue isn't coroutines vs. whatever so much as LC doesn't actually allow (from what I can tell) for multiple execution contexts. Coroutines - obviously - is one method of achieving this goal, and I would agree that it is a preferred solution.

I hope the test above puts this discussion to rest and is a hint to the Rev team on a direction they can take.

Now, not to be pedantic, but your last paragraph didn't really make much sense [to me]. Coroutines - since they must yield and don't run in parallel - are are still single-threaded. This means that you could run 100 contexts on 100 HW threads, and your program will run at exactly the same speed as if they were on 1 HW thread (this assumes that the OS isn't hyperthreading your application with others).

Anyway, yes, coroutines is one very nice way of achieving "parallelism" is LC w/o needing locks. However, I still think LC needs pre-emption in at least a basic form (like my example of forcing a coroutine to become live every so often).

Cheers, and hope you are having a good weekend!

Jeff M.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 29 17:12:13 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:12:13 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
Message-ID: <4D4490BD.3010705@fourthworld.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
 > But fast graphics processing would be a very welcome addition.

Here's one option that would give order-of-magnitude speed increases to 
any object that takes advantage of the current graphic effects, 
implementable by merely extending existing syntax to allow an 
"alwaysBuffer" property for all controls:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=9113>

As it is, any object that uses the otherwise-powerful graphic effects 
cannot be selected, moved or animated without prohibitive cost to 
performance.

We could convert such objects to bitmaps ourselves if not for a design 
decision not to allow it:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=9164>

I'd be okay with the current lack of buffering of the rendering of 
graphic effects and a default of not allowing one to export snapshots of 
such objects as long as there were options to do otherwise.

But as it is, I find myself not using graphic effect nearly as often as 
I'd like to, instead making such treatments in other programs and then 
importing the masked PNGs....

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From cjw at eml.cc  Sat Jan 29 17:53:05 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:53:05 -0600
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event looking for presenters
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References: <111C0E08-9231-4FB7-9E8D-7DCFAEEC2D0C@economy-x-talk.com>	<15DE64D1-56BE-4D61-89D3-7CB024C64049@economy-x-talk.com>	<4D408536.7050209@eml.cc>
	<4D408733.3020407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D449A51.1090202@eml.cc>

Hi Richmond,

I tend to be more optimistic on people's responses.  :)

As afar as Linux is concerned, you piqued mu interest as I have been 
watching Linux with a keen eye for years.  When I went to check out how 
Torvald's O/S was doing, I found this...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-200807-201101-bar

Not very encouraging, is it.  Linux may not be a "wild coyote lurking on 
the fringes," but at #5 of 5 and only 0.75%, Linux has it's work cut out 
for itself.

FMI - If you know of other sites that have different results, please let 
me know.  I always like to get a comprehensive perspective.

Fair winds,
Calvin

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	Richmond <mailto:richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:42 PM
>
>
>
>
> First off: it seems well-nigh impossible to get a balanced comparison 
> from anyone.
>
> Second off: Linux is not "out there" like some wild coyote lurking on 
> the fringes; it
>               is already mainstream.
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> 	Calvin Waterbury <mailto:cjw at eml.cc>
> Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:33 PM
>
>
> Howdy from Texas, Y'all!
>
> I would like to do my part in good time, but I am still learning; 
> however, if somebody out there does work on Macs and Microsoft, I 
> would really like to see an unbiased, or at least a fair comparison 
> between strengths/weaknesses of these two titans of the personal O/S.  
> Sort of down the lines of, "Macs really are much better at stringing 
> foobars, but Windows wins out when it comes to gizwort constructs" and 
> "Did you know Windows can do this...,but on a Mac you have to use this 
> work around."
>
> I have been a Microsoft user since DOS (1984), but have been quite 
> intrigued by what I have garnered from the Mac discussions on the mail 
> list.
>
> Any takers?
>
> Calvin
>
> PS - I realize Lnx is out there too!  :)
>



From davidocoker at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 18:55:27 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:55:27 -0600
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event looking for presenters
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On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Calvin  wrote:

> As afar as Linux is concerned, you piqued mu interest as I have been
> watching Linux with a keen eye for years. ?When I went to check out how
> Torvald's O/S was doing, I found this...
>
> http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-200807-201101-bar
>
> Not very encouraging, is it. ?Linux may not be a "wild coyote lurking on the
> fringes," but at #5 of 5 and only 0.75%, Linux has it's work cut out for
> itself.

<snip>

> I always like to get a comprehensive perspective.

Hi there Calvin,
With respect to all of the "other" operating systems and their various
adherents, if you really want a comprehensive perspective as
described, then you need to stop "watching with interest" and start
TRYING it for yourself. If all of the waiting and watching is based on
popularity of brand x, then you will never know the difference. ;-)

Almost every modern Linux distro "out there" will have a Live CD for
their offering, which means you can easily test it for yourself.
Download the iso file, burn it to a blank CD (there's your only cost)
and simply reboot with it in the tray.

>From a user experience, if you regularly watch commercial movie DVD's
on the computer --or if-- you absolutely must run proprietary
Windows/Mac software, -or if- you are joined at the hip with iTunes
due of your choice in mobile devices and/or past music purchases, you
may not like Linux very much (or at least for very long). If those
things do not apply, you have a very high chance of actually enjoying
the Linux experience completely. Dealing with the DVD issue is pretty
simple and inexpensive to correct... don't know what to say about the
iTunes ball and chain.

Linux is certainly not for everyone, but you'll never know for sure by
sitting and watching from the sidelines.

Best regards,
David C.



From cjw at eml.cc  Sat Jan 29 19:29:26 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:29:26 -0600
Subject: O/S Statistics and a SERIOUS Steak Dinner
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Hi David,

[Note:  I changed the subject so I would not hijack the thread any further.]

You are correct about the only way I will *know* about an O/S (or 
anything) is to try it myself.  I appreciate your encouragement.  
Unfortunately, there may be some confusion.

I have already tried some distros of Linux and possess an iPad.  Right 
now I am very content with Win 7 64 (personal choice) for the present.  
Being able to use LiveCode on any O/S I chose was the strongest drawing 
card for me choosing LC as my development platform.

Perhaps some clarification will help...

This whole "statistics" thing is motivated by a *serious* steak dinner 
wager that was planned in 2004, courtesy of either myself or my friend.  
Back in '04 my friend and I entered into a wager about *where* which 
O/S's would be by 12/31/2015.  Now, the loser of this wager gets to 
treat the other to a *serious* steak dinner, i.e, the loser has to pay 
all costs, except the tip(s).  When I say *serious*, I mean the winner 
gets to choose the restaurant of his choice anywhere in the USA and the 
loser gets to foot the bill for both round trip airfares, car rentals, 
hotel, dinner, etc. It's all in fun, but I need to determine if my piggy 
bank is going to start needing some attention soon!  ;)

The end result is I am looking for the *real* statistics (or as close as 
I can I get).  What I really want to know is...

"How many servers/desktops/laptops/tablets/etc. are running how many 
O/S's today?"

Hope this straightens everything out.  Like I said, this is all just for 
fun... *serious* fun!  :)

Fair winds,
Calvin

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 	David C. <mailto:davidocoker at gmail.com>
> Saturday, January 29, 2011 5:55 PM
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Calvin  wrote:
>
>> As afar as Linux is concerned, you piqued mu interest as I have been
>> watching Linux with a keen eye for years.  When I went to check out how
>> Torvald's O/S was doing, I found this...
>>
>> http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-200807-201101-bar
>>
>> Not very encouraging, is it.  Linux may not be a "wild coyote lurking on the
>> fringes," but at #5 of 5 and only 0.75%, Linux has it's work cut out for
>> itself.
>
> <snip>
>
>> I always like to get a comprehensive perspective.
>
> Hi there Calvin,
> With respect to all of the "other" operating systems and their various
> adherents, if you really want a comprehensive perspective as
> described, then you need to stop "watching with interest" and start
> TRYING it for yourself. If all of the waiting and watching is based on
> popularity of brand x, then you will never know the difference. ;-)
>
> Almost every modern Linux distro "out there" will have a Live CD for
> their offering, which means you can easily test it for yourself.
> Download the iso file, burn it to a blank CD (there's your only cost)
> and simply reboot with it in the tray.
>
>  From a user experience, if you regularly watch commercial movie DVD's
> on the computer --or if-- you absolutely must run proprietary
> Windows/Mac software, -or if- you are joined at the hip with iTunes
> due of your choice in mobile devices and/or past music purchases, you
> may not like Linux very much (or at least for very long). If those
> things do not apply, you have a very high chance of actually enjoying
> the Linux experience completely. Dealing with the DVD issue is pretty
> simple and inexpensive to correct... don't know what to say about the
> iTunes ball and chain.
>
> Linux is certainly not for everyone, but you'll never know for sure by
> sitting and watching from the sidelines.
>
> Best regards,
> David C.
>
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> 	Calvin Waterbury <mailto:cjw at eml.cc>
> Saturday, January 29, 2011 4:53 PM
>
>
> Hi Richmond,
>
> I tend to be more optimistic on people's responses.  :)
>
> As afar as Linux is concerned, you piqued mu interest as I have been 
> watching Linux with a keen eye for years.  When I went to check out 
> how Torvald's O/S was doing, I found this...
>
> http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-200807-201101-bar
>
> Not very encouraging, is it.  Linux may not be a "wild coyote lurking 
> on the fringes," but at #5 of 5 and only 0.75%, Linux has it's work 
> cut out for itself.
>
> FMI - If you know of other sites that have different results, please 
> let me know.  I always like to get a comprehensive perspective.
>
> Fair winds,
> Calvin
>



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 29 19:45:08 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:45:08 -0800
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event looking for presenters
Message-ID: <4D44B494.9080800@fourthworld.com>

David C. wrote:

> Hi there Calvin,
> With respect to all of the "other" operating systems and their various
> adherents, if you really want a comprehensive perspective as
> described, then you need to stop "watching with interest" and start
> TRYING it for yourself. If all of the waiting and watching is based on
> popularity of brand x, then you will never know the difference. ;-)

Well said.

Long-time Mac users know how difficult it is to be taken seriously based 
on market share alone, esp. considering how much such numbers vary:

W3CSchools.com says 5% of their visitors are running Linux:
<http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp>

Wikipedia says 1.53% worldwide:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems>


What do those percentages mean in terms of numbers of happy people?

Gerry Carr at Canonical says there are 12 million users of Ubuntu alone:
<http://ostatic.com/blog/canonical-announces-12-million-ubuntu-users-google-makes-a-comeback>

And it looks like Red Hat is on target to make more than US$1 billion in 
revenue for 2011:
<http://blogs.forbes.com/ciocentral/2010/11/30/red-hat-at-1-billion/>

Not bad for free software. :)


Mac people should be the least concerned about what other people use, 
since here we are in 2011 at Apple's peak and we still see almost 90% of 
the world using Windows.

Use what makes you happy.

There are plenty of choices for OSes these days, and if you're thinking 
of giving Linux a spin there's a vast world of helpful support in the 
Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, and other forums.   I read the Ubuntu forums 
almost daily, and have been having a great time there.


> Almost every modern Linux distro "out there" will have a Live CD for
> their offering, which means you can easily test it for yourself.
> Download the iso file, burn it to a blank CD (there's your only cost)
> and simply reboot with it in the tray.

The Ubuntu disk image can be installed on a USB drive as well, so you 
can try it out on a netbook before install.  I imagine many of the other 
popular distros have a similar option.

I keep a bootable USB drive handy for whenever I get a new machine: if 
it'll run Ubuntu off the USB, it gets partitioned right away for a 
dual-boot. :)   I have one machine that's so old it barely runs Ubuntu, 
so I switched it to Puppy and it's been running very well.  There's 
hardly any hardware out there for which you can't find a good Linux 
distro for - even ultra-tiny boxes like this one:
<http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/08/27/a-real-space-oddity-arrives-at-pc-pro/>


>>From a user experience, if you regularly watch commercial movie DVD's
> on the computer --or if-- you absolutely must run proprietary
> Windows/Mac software, -or if- you are joined at the hip with iTunes
> due of your choice in mobile devices and/or past music purchases, you
> may not like Linux very much (or at least for very long).

For licensing reasons Ubuntu doesn't ship with the proprietary codecs to 
run many commercial DVDs, but they maintain a repository where those can 
be downloaded and installed easily.  I've been able to watch DVDs well 
with that install.

The NVdia chip in my Dell blows the pants off the ATI x1600 in my 
MacBook Pro, so not only do I get smoother video performance but Google 
Earth just flies on that machine.


> Linux is certainly not for everyone, but you'll never know for sure by
> sitting and watching from the sidelines.

It's so easy to deploy to Linux using LiveCode it's almost a shame not 
to explore it for some markets, esp. for EDU software since Linux has a 
massive base in EDU throughout Europe and the developing world.

One of the things I've been enjoying as I migrate ever more of my work 
from my Mac to Ubuntu is having so much choice available over hardware 
configs, and at prices I had only dreamed of back when I used to buy 
Macs exclusively. :)

This video shows off some of the effects available with Compiz, the 
compositing engine available for every machine with a decent video card 
running Ubuntu and most of the other popular distros:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFodLE4iYHE>

This is a more down-to-earth demo showing more practical workflows:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D88ZjSGS1bw>

And here the famous Nixie Pixel shows you how to install Ubuntu in under 
5 minutes:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhnLk3gviWY>

It's not her best video, but helpful.


I still think OS X has an edge in the "it just works" category, 
something no one else can do because it requires the uniquely tight 
integration between the hardware and software possible only when both 
come from a single company.

But for flexibility, not so much.  Mac OS offers a choice between gray 
and blue in its Appearance Manager; check out Ubuntu's themes and then 
drop into Compiz Config and you get a very different idea of what it 
means to personalize your computing experience.

Ubuntu offers all the security we enjoy on our Macs, but IMNSHO a better 
user experience than Windows.  It boots much faster (under 20 seconds on 
my Dell), and I don't have to run my system and anti-virus updates for 
several minutes at the start of each session - I just boot and enjoy. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 29 19:49:01 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:49:01 -0800
Subject: O/S Statistics and a SERIOUS Steak Dinner
Message-ID: <4D44B57D.7070300@fourthworld.com>

Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> Perhaps some clarification will help...
>
> This whole "statistics" thing is motivated by a *serious* steak dinner
> wager that was planned in 2004, courtesy of either myself or my friend.
> Back in '04 my friend and I entered into a wager about *where* which
> O/S's would be by 12/31/2015.  Now, the loser of this wager gets to
> treat the other to a *serious* steak dinner, i.e, the loser has to pay
> all costs, except the tip(s).  When I say *serious*, I mean the winner
> gets to choose the restaurant of his choice anywhere in the USA and the
> loser gets to foot the bill for both round trip airfares, car rentals,
> hotel, dinner, etc. It's all in fun, but I need to determine if my piggy
> bank is going to start needing some attention soon!  ;)
>
> The end result is I am looking for the *real* statistics (or as close as
> I can I get).  What I really want to know is...
>
> "How many servers/desktops/laptops/tablets/etc. are running how many
> O/S's today?"

Good news:  you both get to keep your money.

It's impossible to know with any certainty the absolute market share of 
any OS, more so with one that's free where most of the hardware it runs 
on came bundled with another OS.

Maybe you should still have that dinner, just go Dutch. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From davidocoker at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 19:58:45 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:58:45 -0600
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event looking for presenters
In-Reply-To: <4D44B494.9080800@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D44B494.9080800@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikJRR=JEpS3vRBFyy2p1jkQeJtFbqpqQpoz8Z5z@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the additional info Richard!!
Perfect. :-)

Best regards,
David C.



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 20:06:14 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:06:14 -0400
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=5R3LYeBWXgRpHAJYhSx146J8wiyN+b65vepMC@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

It's nice to read discussions about features that
enhance this platform, but now I have one doubt:

How many developers (who use Livecode) want
to see this platform converted in a game engine?

Notice that the only DLL in my wish list for this
platform is a SWF player, that allows to run
movies inside a stack, just like the Quicktime
externals. I do not want to see a Timeline
in this platform...

At least in my mind, you could not build (easily)
the kind of applications created with Livecode
if it were a game engine. Am I wrong?

Or There are no boundaries anymore among
Software Development tools?

Al



From cjw at eml.cc  Sat Jan 29 20:16:43 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 01:16:43 +0000
Subject: Live LiveCode Code Event looking for presenters
In-Reply-To: <4D44B494.9080800@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D44B494.9080800@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1044240729-1296350204-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1942929268-@bda871.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Excellent post!  It will take a while before I get a chance to digest it all. Thanks to you and David for being so thorough.  

Fair winds,
Calvin
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Reply-To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Live LiveCode Code Event looking for presenters

David C. wrote:

> Hi there Calvin,
> With respect to all of the "other" operating systems and their various
> adherents, if you really want a comprehensive perspective as
> described, then you need to stop "watching with interest" and start
> TRYING it for yourself. If all of the waiting and watching is based on
> popularity of brand x, then you will never know the difference. ;-)

Well said.

Long-time Mac users know how difficult it is to be taken seriously based 
on market share alone, esp. considering how much such numbers vary:

W3CSchools.com says 5% of their visitors are running Linux:
<http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp>

Wikipedia says 1.53% worldwide:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems>


What do those percentages mean in terms of numbers of happy people?

Gerry Carr at Canonical says there are 12 million users of Ubuntu alone:
<http://ostatic.com/blog/canonical-announces-12-million-ubuntu-users-google-makes-a-comeback>

And it looks like Red Hat is on target to make more than US$1 billion in 
revenue for 2011:
<http://blogs.forbes.com/ciocentral/2010/11/30/red-hat-at-1-billion/>

Not bad for free software. :)


Mac people should be the least concerned about what other people use, 
since here we are in 2011 at Apple's peak and we still see almost 90% of 
the world using Windows.

Use what makes you happy.

There are plenty of choices for OSes these days, and if you're thinking 
of giving Linux a spin there's a vast world of helpful support in the 
Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, and other forums.   I read the Ubuntu forums 
almost daily, and have been having a great time there.


> Almost every modern Linux distro "out there" will have a Live CD for
> their offering, which means you can easily test it for yourself.
> Download the iso file, burn it to a blank CD (there's your only cost)
> and simply reboot with it in the tray.

The Ubuntu disk image can be installed on a USB drive as well, so you 
can try it out on a netbook before install.  I imagine many of the other 
popular distros have a similar option.

I keep a bootable USB drive handy for whenever I get a new machine: if 
it'll run Ubuntu off the USB, it gets partitioned right away for a 
dual-boot. :)   I have one machine that's so old it barely runs Ubuntu, 
so I switched it to Puppy and it's been running very well.  There's 
hardly any hardware out there for which you can't find a good Linux 
distro for - even ultra-tiny boxes like this one:
<http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/08/27/a-real-space-oddity-arrives-at-pc-pro/>


>>From a user experience, if you regularly watch commercial movie DVD's
> on the computer --or if-- you absolutely must run proprietary
> Windows/Mac software, -or if- you are joined at the hip with iTunes
> due of your choice in mobile devices and/or past music purchases, you
> may not like Linux very much (or at least for very long).

For licensing reasons Ubuntu doesn't ship with the proprietary codecs to 
run many commercial DVDs, but they maintain a repository where those can 
be downloaded and installed easily.  I've been able to watch DVDs well 
with that install.

The NVdia chip in my Dell blows the pants off the ATI x1600 in my 
MacBook Pro, so not only do I get smoother video performance but Google 
Earth just flies on that machine.


> Linux is certainly not for everyone, but you'll never know for sure by
> sitting and watching from the sidelines.

It's so easy to deploy to Linux using LiveCode it's almost a shame not 
to explore it for some markets, esp. for EDU software since Linux has a 
massive base in EDU throughout Europe and the developing world.

One of the things I've been enjoying as I migrate ever more of my work 
from my Mac to Ubuntu is having so much choice available over hardware 
configs, and at prices I had only dreamed of back when I used to buy 
Macs exclusively. :)

This video shows off some of the effects available with Compiz, the 
compositing engine available for every machine with a decent video card 
running Ubuntu and most of the other popular distros:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFodLE4iYHE>

This is a more down-to-earth demo showing more practical workflows:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D88ZjSGS1bw>

And here the famous Nixie Pixel shows you how to install Ubuntu in under 
5 minutes:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhnLk3gviWY>

It's not her best video, but helpful.


I still think OS X has an edge in the "it just works" category, 
something no one else can do because it requires the uniquely tight 
integration between the hardware and software possible only when both 
come from a single company.

But for flexibility, not so much.  Mac OS offers a choice between gray 
and blue in its Appearance Manager; check out Ubuntu's themes and then 
drop into Compiz Config and you get a very different idea of what it 
means to personalize your computing experience.

Ubuntu offers all the security we enjoy on our Macs, but IMNSHO a better 
user experience than Windows.  It boots much faster (under 20 seconds on 
my Dell), and I don't have to run my system and anti-virus updates for 
several minutes at the start of each session - I just boot and enjoy. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv

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From cjw at eml.cc  Sat Jan 29 20:19:11 2011
From: cjw at eml.cc (Calvin Waterbury)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 01:19:11 +0000
Subject: O/S Statistics and a SERIOUS Steak Dinner
In-Reply-To: <4D44B57D.7070300@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D44B57D.7070300@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1001799183-1296350352-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1807789194-@bda871.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Excellent suggestion!  

After digging for about a month, I'm not very far from where I started. 

Fair winds,
Calvin
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:49:01 
To: How to use LiveCode<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Reply-To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: O/S Statistics and a SERIOUS Steak Dinner

Calvin Waterbury wrote:

> Perhaps some clarification will help...
>
> This whole "statistics" thing is motivated by a *serious* steak dinner
> wager that was planned in 2004, courtesy of either myself or my friend.
> Back in '04 my friend and I entered into a wager about *where* which
> O/S's would be by 12/31/2015.  Now, the loser of this wager gets to
> treat the other to a *serious* steak dinner, i.e, the loser has to pay
> all costs, except the tip(s).  When I say *serious*, I mean the winner
> gets to choose the restaurant of his choice anywhere in the USA and the
> loser gets to foot the bill for both round trip airfares, car rentals,
> hotel, dinner, etc. It's all in fun, but I need to determine if my piggy
> bank is going to start needing some attention soon!  ;)
>
> The end result is I am looking for the *real* statistics (or as close as
> I can I get).  What I really want to know is...
>
> "How many servers/desktops/laptops/tablets/etc. are running how many
> O/S's today?"

Good news:  you both get to keep your money.

It's impossible to know with any certainty the absolute market share of 
any OS, more so with one that's free where most of the hardware it runs 
on came bundled with another OS.

Maybe you should still have that dinner, just go Dutch. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv

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From davidocoker at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 20:28:48 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:28:48 -0600
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=5R3LYeBWXgRpHAJYhSx146J8wiyN+b65vepMC@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=5R3LYeBWXgRpHAJYhSx146J8wiyN+b65vepMC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=MsKxaQ=KtnE7NTczVtpehCEAMbe+RBvy2rHgR@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Alejandro wrote:

> Notice that the only DLL in my wish list for this
> platform is a SWF player, that allows to run
> movies inside a stack, just like the Quicktime
> externals. I do not want to see a Timeline
> in this platform...

Hi Al,
An SWF player that will work on all three platforms and/or at least a
browser control (and plugin) for Linux would be awesome! Where do we
sign up?  ;-)

Best regards,
David C.



From dunbarx at aol.com  Sat Jan 29 21:13:20 2011
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:13:20 -0500
Subject: The many faces of the thumb position
In-Reply-To: <3657890D-9A06-46A1-A2F0-0FBFEF605055@sbcglobal.net>
References: <3657890D-9A06-46A1-A2F0-0FBFEF605055@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <8CD8E3A661E0DB0-1B84-10257@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>


Jim:


And setting the numberformat property, which I thought might force the value x to show decimals, does not. That number is indeed always an integer. It does force the "x+1 value to display according to the format, useless as that is.


Here is one for you. Set the numberFormat to "0.0". Now drag slowly. The "x+1" value tracks the "x" value, but always changes by 0.1. That is, the decimal value simply counts up or down by 0.1 at regular intervals as you drag either left or right. No longer odd, or even buggy. Bogus.


I guess you always need to set the numberformat to "0" before trying anything as outlandish as you did.


Craig Newman







-----Original Message-----
From: James Hurley <jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net>
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 29, 2011 2:54 pm
Subject: The many faces of the thumb position


I dissevered this the hard way.

Put this into the script of  a scrollbar:

on scrollbardrag 
   put the thumbposition of me into x
   put x into field 1
   put x*1  into field 2
end scrollbardrag

You will find that field 1 gets the round(x) while field 2 gets the decimal 
value of the thumb position, that is you may see 2 into field 1 but 2.3455 in 
field 2.

Furthermore, if one puts x into a variable, the script window shows only the 
round value. But if you use that value in a calculation the value becomes the 
decimal value.

It is helpful to have access to the decimal value of the thumb position, but it 
is confusing to see only the round of that value in the editor.

Is this an old issue that I am just stumbling over?

Jim Hurley

P.S. If you use "On scrollbardrag x" in the script of the scroll bar, then x is 
ONLY the whole number value of the scrollbar value. 

Beware of other scripts that use the scrollbar thumb position. That position 
will be DISPLAYED  as the whole number in the script, but will ACT as the 
decimal value of the thump position. This really hung me up. 
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From johnpatten at mac.com  Sat Jan 29 21:28:37 2011
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:28:37 -0800
Subject: Getting Contents of Multiple fields in order (Left-to-Right&Down)
In-Reply-To: <4D446C03.4030102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <B8213429-D5BE-4B06-9C54-3F115D02EB3D@gmail.com>
	<B6B18419-D36B-4811-A50D-5016F4DA496E@laposte.net>
	<BA05AB44-14B5-4534-9A04-AFFB584DF103@mac.com>
	<BAY152-w47309E0D6798A3A7841B85EDE10@phx.gbl>
	<0B9266DE-CFEA-4D58-B020-16472FC8DCE7@mac.com>
	<08592DC8-12CD-4E96-A442-83DF1C0347C9@yahoo.com>
	<4D445FC2.1030500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<0605BB02-52DD-4DF4-8F3B-D9843D7E8639@yahoo.com>
	<4D446C03.4030102@hyperactivesw.com>
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Thanks for looking into this with me!  The way you (Jim) appear to take what I did and turn it around in a fraction of the lines is amazing! Someday I want to be able to do that :-)

Jacqueline is correct. The fields make up a mixed up paragraph. I have it working where it lines up the mixed up fields nicely across and down the window. The user is to put the fields back in order. If one of the fields is a pixel lower on a line, or when the user has to start another line of fields below the first, there is a problem. I like your idea Jacqueline about the drop down fields but I'm afraid not being able to see all parts of the paragraph will make it too challenging at a beginning level.

I thought I could make each row of fields on the window a separate group. This could be done when the stack creates the fields for each line. However, that would mean that I would only have mixed up content for each line going across, and I couldn't make the user drag fields between lines. I want more mixed up flexibility...

Maybe I could have the fields snap to alignment some how when the user checks their answer and before the sort...but that still would not eliminate the issue with the subsequent lines of fields and their order over all... 

LiveCode doesn't do character recognition does it (OCR)? I could do a screen capture, covert the pict to text and then check its content ;-) ...

Hmmm? What if the user drags the fields over a target...the target could "suck the text" out of the field and spit it out in another field. (This essentially would be eliminating the user to type out their words on a keyboard.) However, how would I handle the user wanting to change their order? Could the text chunks they drag into the target be "special chunks" that act as quasi buttons that when clicked on by the users recreates that specific chunk text and deletes itself from the answer field? The user could still drag their fields around on the screen to order them the way they want, and then just drag them into the target one at a time. What do you think? This seem doable?

Thank you!

John Patten
SUSD


On Jan 29, 2011, at 11:35 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 1/29/11 1:05 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> It depends on the authors desired logic.
> 
> From the subject title, I'm assuming he wants "natural" reading order. Right to left, top to bottom. One of the problems I ran into (and the OP mentioned) is that if a field has a Y value slightly below another field, but not by much, our eye will see it as "in line" with the field next to it, but a sorting algorithm will see it as "below" the field next to it.
> 
> I tried looping to find successive topleft fields repeatedly, and that almost works, but you still get Y-offset problem. I'm thinking you'd need to define a cutoff point where a field location is arbitrarily defined as "below" the current line; probably the height of the field, I guess.
> 
> To John: I think I'd cop out and avoid the whole issue by providing "drop boxes" where fields will snap to known locations so that I know what order to read them in.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 21:56:33 2011
From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:56:33 -0600
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <B1D99A1C-8579-47C7-921F-02C9A3CF1AAB@gmail.com>
References: <2922A2FA-6BA1-44C8-89D3-731B7760B15A@twft.com>
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On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Jeffrey Massung <massung at gmail.com> wrote:

> Geoff (btw, Jeff here ;-)),
>
> Okay, I think I completely understand where the disconnect lies - and it's
> with my understanding of the LC internals. I put together a very simple
> stack that's nothing more than a field "Test" and a button. The button
> script looks like this:
>
...

>
> Now, if LC essentially already had coroutines, when done, the output in the
> field should be something like "1a2b3c..." (with newlines of course).
> However, that's not what's in the field. Instead the output is
> "123456...abcdef..." This is likely what you were alluding to and I wasn't
> getting, and this puts an entirely different face on the conversation.
>

Yep, that's what I was talking about. Sorry I wasn't clearer.


>
> The issue isn't coroutines vs. whatever so much as LC doesn't actually
> allow (from what I can tell) for multiple execution contexts. Coroutines -
> obviously - is one method of achieving this goal, and I would agree that it
> is a preferred solution.


> I hope the test above puts this discussion to rest and is a hint to the Rev
> team on a direction they can take.
>

I'd vote for that.


>
> Now, not to be pedantic, but your last paragraph didn't really make much
> sense [to me]. Coroutines - since they must yield and don't run in parallel
> - are are still single-threaded. This means that you could run 100 contexts
> on 100 HW threads, and your program will run at exactly the same speed as if
> they were on 1 HW thread (this assumes that the OS isn't hyperthreading your
> application with others).
>
>
In what way do you think threads would speed up performance?


From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 21:58:31 2011
From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:58:31 -0600
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
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To those proposing a SWF player, why would that be better than an
improvement in native LC graphics performance?


From coiin at verizon.net  Sat Jan 29 22:21:37 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:21:37 -0500
Subject: LiveCode for e-book production
In-Reply-To: <E5C4D41B-542E-4FB7-B463-4EC6C471C3F9@gmail.com>
References: <E5C4D41B-542E-4FB7-B463-4EC6C471C3F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A2A68663-A67C-4A7C-84EB-CCCC48198935@verizon.net>

A week tomorrow is the 19th anniversary of me moving to the US. Just before that date I had written the Expanded Books software, and the first task I had when I moved was to cowrite an Expanded Books Toolkit, that would allow you to publish your own Expanded Books.

If we could do all that in HyperCard 19 years ago, I suspect you could do something similar with LC now.





From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 22:32:29 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:32:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
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Hi Geoff,


Geoff Canyon Rev wrote:
> 
> To those proposing a SWF player, why would that be better than an
> improvement in native LC graphics performance?
> 

Better? No, I could not say this, but less time to implement...
Yes, definitively less time. Notice that NeoBook had a SWF player
as an optional DLL many years ago and now it's part of the
default installation.

And Now, for a completely unrelated display of awesomeness,
visit this page with Google Chrome:
http://www.effectgames.com/demos/canvascycle/

8 bit color cycling was my second help request to
Scott Raney, back in the beginning of time... :-D

Al 

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From davidocoker at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 22:34:25 2011
From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:34:25 -0600
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
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Geoff wrote:
> To those proposing a SWF player, why would that be better than an
> improvement in native LC graphics performance?
Sorry for taking this discussion in a different direction folks as I
never even looked at the title of the thread... just replied to what I
read. ooophs.

But since you ask Geoff, can't speak for anyone else, but the static
graphics that I use for (a very few) of my projects don't require any
performance enhancements. A browser control and working plugin for
Linux as well as an embeddable SWF player however, opens up a lot of
new territory. It's all just a matter of perspective and I hope that
each group gets what they need eventually. ;)

...now back your *your* topic at hand that I'm stomping around in and
trashing unmercifully.

Best regards,
David C.



From katir at hindu.org  Sun Jan 30 04:09:46 2011
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:09:46 -1000
Subject: Htmltext: storing data in markup
In-Reply-To: <4D417BB0.5060002@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D417BB0.5060002@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4D452ADA.1050802@hindu.org>

  On 1/27/11 4:05 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
> If you may also have links in some of those runs, you may be 
> interested in this request for a linkData chunk property, which would 
> allow us to use any number of attributes in <a> tags, returned in an 
> array as with clipboardData and dragData:
>
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=9347>

"Oh Man!" how useful that would be.. get's my vote...

Just thinking of what you could do: attach image(s) sound(s) custom 
menus to text.

"magic text" for kids (think little video popping up over one word, 
slideshow of animals over another..)

Seriously useful reference links for students and "info mining" types.

Hypertext to the max.

skts



From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Sun Jan 30 04:34:04 2011
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:34:04 +0000
Subject: Htmltext: storing data in markup
In-Reply-To: <4D452ADA.1050802@hindu.org>
References: <4D417BB0.5060002@fourthworld.com>
	<4D452ADA.1050802@hindu.org>
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linkdata would be nice, but most of the benefit we can have already by
associating an array with a keyword stored in the linktext ("name=")
htmltext markup.

What I'm missing is the ability to markup text content  and apply styles of
easily extract semantic chunks of that content - the way you can do in HTML.
It is also the way we could do it in LiveCode if only it did not strip out
all the tags it does not care to display.

What I'd like to do is apply "<div id=code">.... </div>" to sections of text
in a field. I don;t care that this is not visible, because I can use that
info to style the text with code - I can also store/view HTML / CSS /
Javascript versions of the data.

My vote would be for LiveCode to have an option to keep all the html tags it
was given, but act like a basic browser control only displaying certain ones
of them.

An alternative would be to resurrect the "grouped text" syntax - and use div
tags for this one scenario - which would make intuitive sense even if it
breaks backward compatibility.

On 30 January 2011 09:09, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

>  On 1/27/11 4:05 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>>
>> If you may also have links in some of those runs, you may be interested in
>> this request for a linkData chunk property, which would allow us to use any
>> number of attributes in <a> tags, returned in an array as with clipboardData
>> and dragData:
>>
>> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=9347>
>>
>
> "Oh Man!" how useful that would be.. get's my vote...
>
> Just thinking of what you could do: attach image(s) sound(s) custom menus
> to text.
>
> "magic text" for kids (think little video popping up over one word,
> slideshow of animals over another..)
>
> Seriously useful reference links for students and "info mining" types.
>
> Hypertext to the max.
>
> skts
>
>
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 09:19:20 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:19:20 -0500
Subject: LiveCode for e-book production
In-Reply-To: <E5C4D41B-542E-4FB7-B463-4EC6C471C3F9@gmail.com>
References: <E5C4D41B-542E-4FB7-B463-4EC6C471C3F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <504CFA5A-6DE0-44D2-B116-B8B448AFF415@gmail.com>

On Jan 29, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Javier Miranda V. wrote:

> Dear friends, can you please give me your opinions on using LiveCode  
> for e-book production?.  I know LiveCode, being so powerful, can  
> handle complex projects involving lots of logic and structures, but  
> is it suitable / practical to use it for e-book production?.  The  
> possibility of compile for the new mobile operating systems is  
> something wonderful that I would like to to use coupled with the  
> multimedia capabilities.
>
> I will be looking forward for your impressions about this.
>
> Saludos,
>
> Javier Miranda V.

If you're talking about a system to prepare ebooks for publishing in  
various formats, I would be optimistic about LC's ability to manage  
text processing -- that is one of its strengths. The question is  
getting at the APIs for the ebook formats, unless you just want to  
prepare plain text in a decent format to be uploaded as is. Others  
will know more about the technical end of the various formats, but as  
far as text and string manipulation goes, LC is very flexible and fast.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From mkoob at rogers.com  Sun Jan 30 09:20:39 2011
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 06:20:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: on-rev upload limits and Amazon S3 as an alternative
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In case anyone is interested I was able to get the HMACSHA1 handlers from
Mark Smith's Lib AWS to work on on-rev.   It was not working because I was
putting an incorrect S3path in.

I was using the command s3.authenticatedUrl(tObject, tExpiry) from libAWS.

I had been using the function makeobject(tBucket, tKey) from the libAWS
which returned '/thebucket/theobject' which I put into tObject.

When I just put  "thebucket/theobject" into tObject the S3.authenticatedUrl
functioned correctly created a time limited S3 URL.

Martin

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From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Jan 30 09:29:52 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:29:52 -0500
Subject: LiveCode for e-book production
In-Reply-To: <504CFA5A-6DE0-44D2-B116-B8B448AFF415@gmail.com>
References: <E5C4D41B-542E-4FB7-B463-4EC6C471C3F9@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <FF3A7CE6-77E4-4BE2-ACF1-67672A056C99@verizon.net>

If the plan is to have LC just be a tool for gathering the bits together, and then to spit out an e-book that other tools can read, look at the EPUB format:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB

If instead you want use LC as the book reader itself, and bring external text into it and then format it into pages and chapters, it might be worth limiting the input text to RTF. When we did this in 1992 we used a Claris extension that could read many different text formats, but I doubt that software still exists, or could work inside LC.





From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 10:27:03 2011
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:27:03 -0500
Subject: Getting Contents of Multiple fields in order (Left-to-Right&Down)
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On Jan 29, 2011, at 9:28 PM, John Patten wrote:

> Thanks for looking into this with me!  The way you (Jim) appear to  
> take what I did and turn it around in a fraction of the lines is  
> amazing! Someday I want to be able to do that :-)
>
> Jacqueline is correct. The fields make up a mixed up paragraph. I  
> have it working where it lines up the mixed up fields nicely across  
> and down the window. The user is to put the fields back in order. If  
> one of the fields is a pixel lower on a line, or when the user has  
> to start another line of fields below the first, there is a problem.  
> I like your idea Jacqueline about the drop down fields but I'm  
> afraid not being able to see all parts of the paragraph will make it  
> too challenging at a beginning level.
>
> I thought I could make each row of fields on the window a separate  
> group. This could be done when the stack creates the fields for each  
> line. However, that would mean that I would only have mixed up  
> content for each line going across, and I couldn't make the user  
> drag fields between lines. I want more mixed up flexibility...
>
> Maybe I could have the fields snap to alignment some how when the  
> user checks their answer and before the sort...but that still would  
> not eliminate the issue with the subsequent lines of fields and  
> their order over all...
>
> LiveCode doesn't do character recognition does it (OCR)? I could do  
> a screen capture, covert the pict to text and then check its  
> content ;-) ...
>
> Hmmm? What if the user drags the fields over a target...the target  
> could "suck the text" out of the field and spit it out in another  
> field. (This essentially would be eliminating the user to type out  
> their words on a keyboard.) However, how would I handle the user  
> wanting to change their order? Could the text chunks they drag into  
> the target be "special chunks" that act as quasi buttons that when  
> clicked on by the users recreates that specific chunk text and  
> deletes itself from the answer field? The user could still drag  
> their fields around on the screen to order them the way they want,  
> and then just drag them into the target one at a time. What do you  
> think? This seem doable?

Sure. Create a number of small text fields with behavior set to a  
behavior button and a target button. In the behavior button script set  
up mousedown and mousemove handlers to handle dragging (see the  
archives for how to do this), and in the mousemove handler include a  
'if the mouseloc is within the rect of btn "target then eatme" '. Then  
the on eatme handler in the card script takes the text of the target  
field and appends it to the display field and deletes the target  
field. In the display field, put a mouseup handler that hilites the  
clicked line briefly for user feedback then creates a new small field,  
sets it behavior to the behavior button, loads it with the line text,  
then deletes the clicked line.

If that's what you want to do. Not sure why you prefer this to just  
dragging the lines around to reorder them in the display field. I  
guess it's a game that you have in mind?

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Sun Jan 30 10:39:02 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:39:02 +0000
Subject: Do Revlet pages have unique URLs?
Message-ID: <3B6C7CF3-7757-42CC-9FB8-6FA6DC0E8BF2@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

Hi Folks,
I'm looking to pull together various rev wire-frame/prototype/experiment pages for a web app project into a more structured development environment. If I migrate my various experiments into sub-stacks of a single GLX framework app (and then save this as a revlet) would individual revlet pages be externally addressable via urls within a requirements mgt database? Or does revweb work as a self-contained 'player', suggesting that I'd need to keep the various pages separate?
TIA,
Keith..      


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 30 13:35:50 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 12:35:50 -0600
Subject: Getting Contents of Multiple fields in order (Left-to-Right&Down)
In-Reply-To: <E69D45BC-D9C3-46DC-A923-D842535C66A2@mac.com>
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On 1/29/11 8:28 PM, John Patten wrote:
 > I
 > like your idea Jacqueline about the drop down fields but I'm afraid
 > not being able to see all parts of the paragraph will make it too
 > challenging at a beginning level.

I didn't exactly mean drop-down fields, I meant more what you describe here:

 > Hmmm? What if the user drags the fields over a target...the target
 > could "suck the text" out of the field and spit it out in another
 > field.

That's pretty much what I meant, only I'd snap the whole draggable field
to the desired location. I do this in my card games, where the user
needs to drag an image to a stack of playing cards; when they drop the
image, it snaps to the location of the "card stack". Dragging a field
would be an identical process.

The basic idea: Place four fields where the "sentence" should go. Turn
on the showborder for the fields (so the user can see the target areas)
and set traversalOn to false. These are the "target" regions.

When the user drags and then drops a field, check to see if it
intersects any of the target regions (you can use the "intersect"
function.) If so, set the location of the dragged field to the location
of the target field. That "snaps" it into place (and if you add a sound
effect, it's very satisfying.) Now that the visual part is complete, put
the text of the dragged field into the target field so you can read it
later. The dragged field is still covering the target region so it
doesn't matter what the text underneath looks like or how it's formatted.

When it's time to read the sentence, you already know the order of the
target fields, so you just collect their text and then empty out the
targets, ready for the next time.

My Klondike game is on RevOnline if you want to look, though there's
probably more in there than is worth plowing through just for this
example. The whole game uses this "snap" method, but it is easiest to
see when you drop cards onto the top piles that build from aces up.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 30 15:09:00 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:09:00 -0500
Subject: Printing
Message-ID: <760FF563-FF98-452C-8521-525180AF11E7@mac.com>

Is anyone having a problem with printing? The card is offset by about 1.5 inches from the top left and no settings that I change will get it to print from the upper left corner.

Thanks

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net




From rman at free.fr  Sun Jan 30 16:50:40 2011
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:50:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Printing
In-Reply-To: <760FF563-FF98-452C-8521-525180AF11E7@mac.com>
References: <760FF563-FF98-452C-8521-525180AF11E7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1296424240132-3247709.post@n4.nabble.com>


I just discovered today the magic of printing : set the printmargins property
check the doc... it worked for me!! Very strange though when you don't know
about it!! 
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun Jan 30 17:50:30 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:50:30 -0800
Subject: Printing
In-Reply-To: <760FF563-FF98-452C-8521-525180AF11E7@mac.com>
References: <760FF563-FF98-452C-8521-525180AF11E7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F0F1DB85-C825-40DB-9207-D239F6AC0DD7@cox.net>

Hi Tom,

My current program prints centered cards with these:

case "Page Setup..."
            set the printMargins to 48,18,18,18 
            answer page setup as sheet
            break
        case "Print Card"
            print this cd
            break

The size of the stack is 754 x 1092

HTH,

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>







On Jan 30, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Is anyone having a problem with printing? The card is offset by about 1.5 inches from the top left and no settings that I change will get it to print from the upper left corner.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
> 
> 
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun Jan 30 17:54:39 2011
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:54:39 -0800
Subject: Printing
In-Reply-To: <F0F1DB85-C825-40DB-9207-D239F6AC0DD7@cox.net>
References: <760FF563-FF98-452C-8521-525180AF11E7@mac.com>
	<F0F1DB85-C825-40DB-9207-D239F6AC0DD7@cox.net>
Message-ID: <A1056883-BA27-4672-BCA9-8E5297CC747E@cox.net>

Oh, I forgot: I also have the magnification set to 72% so that it fits on an 8.5x 11 sheet of paper.

Joe Lewis Wilkins
Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>







On Jan 30, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Hi Tom,
> 
> My current program prints centered cards with these:
> 
> case "Page Setup..."
>            set the printMargins to 48,18,18,18 
>            answer page setup as sheet
>            break
>        case "Print Card"
>            print this cd
>            break
> 
> The size of the stack is 754 x 1092
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Joe Lewis Wilkins
> Architect & Director of Product Development for GSI
> <www.glsysinc.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 30, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> Is anyone having a problem with printing? The card is offset by about 1.5 inches from the top left and no settings that I change will get it to print from the upper left corner.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> -- Tom McGrath III
>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>> 
>> 
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>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 18:57:06 2011
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 00:57:06 +0100
Subject: [Preview]DGH adds new properties for datagrids WAS Alternating Column
	Colors
Message-ID: <AANLkTikfrHbFUfZ+gpxfzYEdH6CtKTJL_29e43tPxKNM@mail.gmail.com>

Dear DataGrid users and DGH aficionados,

Here is a preview video of DGH working on column colors.

We worked especially to add new special properties for datagrids. An
extension of the datagrid API prefixed by "dgh", such as
- the dghProp["Alternate column colors"] of grp "myDataGrid" to pBoolean
- the dghProp["Column color"] of grp "myDataGrid" to pColor
- etc

The video of DGH in action:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheSlugOnTheRoad#p/u/0/FEY18vzsFJs


This feature will be available in the next version of DGH.


Best regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 19:58:31 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:58:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Semi-OT] some images from our upcomming iOS LiveCode built game
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=eD-LWMFsx1grGC0GVcCOELnVXaijvkJBKKbaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=eD-LWMFsx1grGC0GVcCOELnVXaijvkJBKKbaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1296435511301-3247885.post@n4.nabble.com>


Looks great! :-D

Will you post a locked stack for the rest
of us, the desktop users?

Al
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sun Jan 30 20:54:50 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 17:54:50 -0800
Subject: Printing
In-Reply-To: <760FF563-FF98-452C-8521-525180AF11E7@mac.com>
References: <760FF563-FF98-452C-8521-525180AF11E7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4D46166A.7050404@pdslabs.net>

Maybe the "print... into <pageRect>" option will make it fill the page.

Phil Davis


On 1/30/11 12:09 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> Is anyone having a problem with printing? The card is offset by about 1.5 inches from the top left and no settings that I change will get it to print from the upper left corner.
>
> Thanks
>
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
>
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-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jan 30 21:14:31 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:14:31 -0800
Subject: [OT] convert CWK to PowerPoint or OpenOffice
Message-ID: <4D461B07.2020307@fourthworld.com>

My gal has a few presentations she'd done in AppleWorks' SlideShow 
program, and she needs to run them from a Windows box in the office.

I've looked all over, and I can't find a converter from AppleWorks to 
either PPT or OOo (other than dropping $79 for iWorks for this one-time 
conversion).

Any other alternatives you know of to get AppleWorks slide shows into 
either PowerPoint of OpenOffice?

Thanks -

- Richard Gaskin
   Fourth World



From simplsol at aol.com  Sun Jan 30 21:27:00 2011
From: simplsol at aol.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:27:00 -0800
Subject: [OT] convert CWK to PowerPoint or OpenOffice
In-Reply-To: <4D461B07.2020307@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D461B07.2020307@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <56CE8FF7-B304-49BD-815C-A6C55E855CE5@aol.com>

Richard,
This is one way:

http://books.google.com/books? 
id=FWKPqxI2s4MC&pg=PA373&lpg=PA373&dq=export+appleworks 
+slides&source=bl&ots=YWD7ePxANW&sig=OcWsSCP4allOB567LYVnze7q0R8&hl=en&e 
i=6hxGTYS9MI7EsAPOp_iRCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBM 
Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=export%20appleworks%20slides&f=false

Probably not what you were hoping for.
Paul Looney

On Jan 30, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> My gal has a few presentations she'd done in AppleWorks' SlideShow  
> program, and she needs to run them from a Windows box in the office.
>
> I've looked all over, and I can't find a converter from AppleWorks  
> to either PPT or OOo (other than dropping $79 for iWorks for this  
> one-time conversion).
>
> Any other alternatives you know of to get AppleWorks slide shows  
> into either PowerPoint of OpenOffice?
>
> Thanks -
>
> - Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World
>
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Sun Jan 30 21:30:56 2011
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:30:56 -0800
Subject: [OT] convert CWK to PowerPoint or OpenOffice
In-Reply-To: <4D461B07.2020307@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D461B07.2020307@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4D461EE0.5010504@comcast.net>

Richard,

The Mac App Store has the individual programs of the iWorks package 
available for $20 each.

Marty Knapp
> My gal has a few presentations she'd done in AppleWorks' SlideShow 
> program, and she needs to run them from a Windows box in the office.
>
> I've looked all over, and I can't find a converter from AppleWorks to 
> either PPT or OOo (other than dropping $79 for iWorks for this 
> one-time conversion).
>
> Any other alternatives you know of to get AppleWorks slide shows into 
> either PowerPoint of OpenOffice?
>
> Thanks -
>
> - Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World
>



From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sun Jan 30 21:50:48 2011
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 21:50:48 -0500
Subject: [OT] convert CWK to PowerPoint or OpenOffice
In-Reply-To: <4D461B07.2020307@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D461B07.2020307@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D6C0704D-CE20-49B3-8CA4-E60E17BFC67A@mac.com>

Richard, If you don't find a solution please feel free to send them to me and I will be glad to convert them for you. I have iWork and PPT but no longer have Appleworks. If I don't need the AW and can open them in iWork then go ahead and send them to me. I'm up for another hour or so here tonight.


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgrath at comcast.net

On Jan 30, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> My gal has a few presentations she'd done in AppleWorks' SlideShow program, and she needs to run them from a Windows box in the office.
> 
> I've looked all over, and I can't find a converter from AppleWorks to either PPT or OOo (other than dropping $79 for iWorks for this one-time conversion).
> 
> Any other alternatives you know of to get AppleWorks slide shows into either PowerPoint of OpenOffice?
> 
> Thanks -
> 
> - Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
> 
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> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jan 30 22:51:59 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 19:51:59 -0800
Subject: [OT] convert CWK to PowerPoint or OpenOffice
Message-ID: <4D4631DF.8090000@fourthworld.com>

Thank you Marty, Paul, and esp. Thomas with this generous offer:

 > Richard, If you don't find a solution please feel free to send
 > them to me and I will be glad to convert them for you. I have
 > iWork and PPT but no longer have Appleworks. If I don't need
 > the AW and can open them in iWork then go ahead and send them
 > to me. I'm up for another hour or so here tonight.

For the moment we've decided to just print to PDF from the Mac and use 
the PDF player's presentation mode to run it.  Since it just need to be 
run on Window and not edited there, the PDF option works well for now.

Later on we'll migrate all of the old CWKs to a new format - and 
definitely not one from a sole-source proprietary vendor, but will be 
using OpenOffice for storage going forward.  At this point every serious 
tool supports OO in an out, and being open source OO can never die.

Thanks again for the tips, and Thomas your generosity is much 
appreciated here.

- Richard Gaskin
   Fourth World



From irog at mac.com  Sun Jan 30 22:53:53 2011
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 20:53:53 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Revision to TimeMachine
Message-ID: <40D457E1-6CF0-459C-8736-B121BA131802@mac.com>

I revised TimeMachine to include David Bovill's suggestions of including an auto-run mode and the ability to add and edit events. I also cleaned it up a bit.

You may recall that TimeMachine is intended to promote a truer sense of perspective of the timescales of events relative to the enormous 13.7 billion year age of the universe. It allows the user to select various timescales, and then to move through that time span to view images of events.

Since I have been unsuccessful in uploading the real stack to Rev Online, I uploaded a faux stack that links to the download page of my website:


												http://web.me.com/irog/Roger_Guay/Downloads.html


So you can go to RevOnline, or go to my website directly  . . . your choice.

Thanks, cheers and enjoy,

Roger Guay


From alex at harryscollar.com  Sun Jan 30 23:03:46 2011
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:03:46 +1000
Subject: MP3 audio playback on iOS
In-Reply-To: <40D457E1-6CF0-459C-8736-B121BA131802@mac.com>
References: <40D457E1-6CF0-459C-8736-B121BA131802@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4D4634A2.4090808@harryscollar.com>

Hi

Just read the short article in the latest revup on playing audio on iOS.

I don't have lc for iOS and was wandering if it is possible to play MP3 
audio on iOS? or Can you use a player object to playback any quicktime 
compatible file?


regards
alex



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Jan 31 00:56:29 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 21:56:29 -0800
Subject: [OT] convert CWK to PowerPoint or OpenOffice
In-Reply-To: <4D4631DF.8090000@fourthworld.com>
References: <4D4631DF.8090000@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <3764A547-AF7B-409A-AF68-934240D61C85@mollysrevenge.com>

Richard,
I haven't used its Presentation tool, but Google docs has served me well for both word processing and Spreadsheets and can import/Export in WOrd/OO format for those types of docs.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 30, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Thank you Marty, Paul, and esp. Thomas with this generous offer:
> 
> > Richard, If you don't find a solution please feel free to send
> > them to me and I will be glad to convert them for you. I have
> > iWork and PPT but no longer have Appleworks. If I don't need
> > the AW and can open them in iWork then go ahead and send them
> > to me. I'm up for another hour or so here tonight.
> 
> For the moment we've decided to just print to PDF from the Mac and use the PDF player's presentation mode to run it.  Since it just need to be run on Window and not edited there, the PDF option works well for now.
> 
> Later on we'll migrate all of the old CWKs to a new format - and definitely not one from a sole-source proprietary vendor, but will be using OpenOffice for storage going forward.  At this point every serious tool supports OO in an out, and being open source OO can never die.
> 
> Thanks again for the tips, and Thomas your generosity is much appreciated here.
> 
> - Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
> 
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From john at splash21.com  Mon Jan 31 04:02:02 2011
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:02:02 +0000
Subject: [Semi-OT] some images from our upcomming iOS LiveCode built game
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=eD-LWMFsx1grGC0GVcCOELnVXaijvkJBKKbaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=eD-LWMFsx1grGC0GVcCOELnVXaijvkJBKKbaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D467A8A.1010609@splash21.com>

Great teaser - I'm looking forward to the game!



On 28/01/2011 19:04, Andre Garzia wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Following the friday spirit, I share with you guys some images from
> our upcoming LiveCode built iOS Game. Be aware that all this is still
> work in progress. Our game is a unique twist on code breaking +
> adventure game.
>
> (our development phase main screen)
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1340110/img_0432.png
>
> (our maian level)
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1340110/img_0433.png
>
> (our japan level)
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1340110/img_0434.png
>
> (our norsk level)
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1340110/img_0435.png
>
> The game is being developed by me and my friends on our spare time and
> we hope will reach beta status soon.
>
> I am not the artist, I am just the coder, my friend Raphael is the
> artist and he is quite gifted.
>
> Cheers
> andre
> PS: as soon as it is ready, we'll let everyone here know
>



From tkuypers at telenet.be  Mon Jan 31 06:41:36 2011
From: tkuypers at telenet.be (tkuypers at telenet.be)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:41:36 +0100
Subject: semi[OT] Preview of Intelli-Pubs
Message-ID: <F2E982C0-694D-4E8A-92B9-04094FF0DB1D@telenet.be>

Just a shameless message, because I'm kinda proud of my latest LiveCode project...

I know that there are a few graphical coders are among us, so it is not only "showing off", but some of you might actually have use to it.

Intelli-Pubs is a range of editions of InDesign tools, assisting graphic designers to manage their InDesign files, when dealing with various output formats.
The challenge at this moment is the following:
1 master design e.g. and advertisement at A4 size.
This master design needs to be converted to 5 different sizes for different magazines. This brings the total to 6 source artwork files.
3 magazines also have an iPad version of the magazine, 2 different sizes needed of each ad This brings the total to 12 source artwork files.
1 of them also publishes on the Galaxy Pad, so 2 more sizes need to be created: total of 14 source InDesign documents.
And 2 magazines also run an iPhone version, 4 jPeg files needed of each, so in the worst case, 22 source files in total.

For print, the first 5 ads need to be exported to PDF files, some of them PDF-X4, other publishers demand different output settings for their PDFs.
And for the iPhone, iPad and GalaxyPad the publishers need Jpeg Files.

And about 10 minutes before deadline, the customer calls and demands the phone number to be changed... It is just a small change, so please make it happen...

Changing the phone number means opening 22 InDesign files and exporting them again to the correct output format. No, of course there won't be any mistakes, no of course we will meet deadlines... NOT!!!

That's where Intelli-Pubs kicks in :-)
Managing and using all different specs of publishers, smart-conversion of InDesign artwork to various sizes, and much more.

Please take a look at some screenshots at http://www.intelli-pubs.com, look forward to some reactions.


Met vriendelijke groeten,
Warm Regards,


Ton Kuypers
+32 (0) 477 739 530

Aardbemden 11 ? B-2400 ? Mol ? Belgium
www.publishingtools4u.com






From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Jan 31 07:01:26 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:01:26 -0500
Subject: knowing when there is no activity
Message-ID: <9F59A4C7-84A9-4362-A425-48C3C3FA45A7@verizon.net>

In Director you can set a timeoutlength, after which a timeout event is sent. The length represents the amount of time that there is no user activity. Is there a similar thing in LC?


From bvg at mac.com  Mon Jan 31 07:18:45 2011
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:18:45 +0100
Subject: knowing when there is no activity
In-Reply-To: <9F59A4C7-84A9-4362-A425-48C3C3FA45A7@verizon.net>
References: <9F59A4C7-84A9-4362-A425-48C3C3FA45A7@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4CCD4251-8D29-4B11-AA0E-501FB97D94A4@mac.com>

there's idle, but adjusting the idleRate has several, mostly unwanted side effects with repeating, build in messages like mouseStillDown. Still, if you remember to reset it to default at the correct moments, it's probably useable for what you want.

On 31 Jan 2011, at 13:01, Colin Holgate wrote:

> In Director you can set a timeoutlength, after which a timeout event is sent. The length represents the amount of time that there is no user activity. Is there a similar thing in LC?
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From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Jan 31 07:23:52 2011
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:23:52 -0500
Subject: knowing when there is no activity
In-Reply-To: <4CCD4251-8D29-4B11-AA0E-501FB97D94A4@mac.com>
References: <9F59A4C7-84A9-4362-A425-48C3C3FA45A7@verizon.net>
	<4CCD4251-8D29-4B11-AA0E-501FB97D94A4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E6354CEC-1515-4E68-A196-B40C0F9824C1@verizon.net>


On Jan 31, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> there's idle, but adjusting the idleRate has several, mostly unwanted side effects with repeating, build in messages like mouseStillDown. Still, if you remember to reset it to default at the correct moments, it's probably useable for what you want.

I know of many different work arounds if LC doesn't have a timeout feature, but thought that it's worth asking first.





From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 31 07:57:02 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:57:02 -0200
Subject: on livecode based idea (was Re: An idea on multithreading
	implementation)
Message-ID: <AANLkTimueGuM-P7v_um1VTRx9ir7My1JmTE_z1HgYARx@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

>From working with livecode based servers for some year, I've drafted a
little plan about co-routines. I don't have access to the engine
internals, so when I think about solving a problem, I try to think in
terms of the livecode interface that is exposed to us. Even though I
would welcome threads, process forking and whatever, there is a way to
create co-routines in livecode by extending some simple routines. What
I will tell on this email will not add performance but it may add some
advantadge on how to express things.

The problem with "wait with 0 ticks" and other send in time routines
is that state is not preserved and that we cannot yield to the middle
of a handler. Our problem is not switching handlers, our problem is
state maintenance. So let us get the ball rolling.

The first thing we need is a way to freeze a computation in time. By
checking "the variableNames"
(http://docs.runrev.com/Function/variableNames) and looping thru "the
executionContexts" (http://docs.runrev.com/Property/executionContexts)
it is possible to get an "instantaneous image" of what the engine is
doing. Now, looping "the pendingMessages"
(http://docs.runrev.com/Property/pendingMessages) as well would get
what more is happening alongside the given script. We could then save
all this information in what I will call for the lack of better term
"the current continuation" (it is not a true continuation).

So after the above steps we have a chunk of what is happening saved
and stored. We now need a way to invoke a continuation, to restore a
given piece of state. Right now, I think the only way to do it (or to
fake it) is to use the debug routines. I think that is is possible to
create a script runtime breakpoint, then, by execution it with the
debug routines and stopping there, it is possible to manipulate the
environment to load the state that was preserved before. This script
should have the local and script local and global declarations needed
for the given state, then we change all these variables to contain the
data preserved from the desired continuation, we schedule the
pendingMessages as well. Now the tricky thing is, we need an
enhancement to the debugDo or some other debug internal command to
start executing a script from a specific line. The executionContexts
need to be used both ways, not only to peer on how we got to some
place but set so that we can restore a previous state. If we could set
the executionContexts and the next debugDo command would follow the
natural computation from the current set executionContexts, we would
be all set.

So trough the use of a save state routine in pure LiveCode script we
could save a continuation for later use. Using LiveCode powerful debug
routines with some enhancements, we would then be able to restore to a
given state in time. These two routines would be the basis that would
enable us to do the following items:

CO-ROUTINES (cooperative)

A simple scheduler would save and restore states using cooperative
threads where a given handler would call "yield" which would save his
current state and then be restored to that exact point when the
scheduler calls it again

BACKTRACKING

Some powerful decision making algorithms could be implemented. A
script could branch into multiple paths to solve a problem and if
found a wrong answer, it could chain call the restore state function
effectively backtracking in time all its contexts and variables till
the point of the branching where it could then follow some other
branch. Backtracking is cool because once you found the correct
decision path you were looking for it appears that you have a straight
path since all the wrong options were erased due to backtracking.
Think of it like solving a maze, every time you take a wrong turn, you
erase everything until the given turn and then you continue from there
to the other turn. When you solve the maze, you can see a straight
path from your start position to the exit with not a single error. If
you can't think of a practical use for backtracking, let me tell you
two:

1) Error handling: Oops an error happened, backtrack until you solve
it, no side effects.
2) Brute force anything: brute force something until you have the
correct answer.

CONTINUATION-PASSING STYLE WEB PROGRAMMING

This is the big one for me. The main bad thing that hurt all web
developers is that the web is stateless. There is a lot of code in
anyones project to deal with sessions and finding where in the
computation (in time) some user is. Requests all looks the same, you
need to peek into cookies, hidden vars, urls until you find what you
should be doing. This is a pain when trying to do things that need to
happen in order with input from the user. For example, doing multiple
page forms with runtime decisions about what to show is hard due to
all the state maintenance. If we had continuations, we could simply
save all the computation, present the page to the user and when he
return, we restore the computation. This makes stateless web code look
stateful, you can code like there is a single user going from point A
to point B with no interruption. more info at:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation-passing_style)

CONCLUSION

See with some simple additions to executionContexts so that it is
settable, we can have so many goodies that would make our language so
much powerful. If state can be saved and restored, it can also be
manipulated and shared. This open up so many possibilities that simple
threading or forking cannot compare. Even if this system is slow and
not on par for doing fast game graphics, it still has its place.



From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 31 08:00:04 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:00:04 -0200
Subject: LiveCode for e-book production
In-Reply-To: <FF3A7CE6-77E4-4BE2-ACF1-67672A056C99@verizon.net>
References: <E5C4D41B-542E-4FB7-B463-4EC6C471C3F9@gmail.com>
	<504CFA5A-6DE0-44D2-B116-B8B448AFF415@gmail.com>
	<FF3A7CE6-77E4-4BE2-ACF1-67672A056C99@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=2Q8qL+43Pj7yVx_iBcc+ZamjnU3BHv_tbZuMr@mail.gmail.com>

EPUB format is easy but it is full of namespaces. LiveCode can
generate and read epubs but you need some hacks to change those
namespaces. I did some research on that and so did Sivakatirswami.

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
> If the plan is to have LC just be a tool for gathering the bits together, and then to spit out an e-book that other tools can read, look at the EPUB format:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB
>
> If instead you want use LC as the book reader itself, and bring external text into it and then format it into pages and chapters, it might be worth limiting the input text to RTF. When we did this in 1992 we used a Claris extension that could read many different text formats, but I doubt that software still exists, or could work inside LC.
>
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 31 08:01:41 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:01:41 -0200
Subject: Do Revlet pages have unique URLs?
In-Reply-To: <3B6C7CF3-7757-42CC-9FB8-6FA6DC0E8BF2@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <3B6C7CF3-7757-42CC-9FB8-6FA6DC0E8BF2@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikiZhR6nsQv-2fSuGVzTs+NtCF1mdcr2STU3YjU@mail.gmail.com>

Keith,

One revlet will not be able to access other revlet unless you load
them all in the same page and use something like "do ... in browser"
to communicate which would be hard since you would need to create all
the communication channel.

Why not loading all the stacks in the same revlet?

Andre

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Keith Clarke
<keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> I'm looking to pull together various rev wire-frame/prototype/experiment pages for a web app project into a more structured development environment. If I migrate my various experiments into sub-stacks of a single GLX framework app (and then save this as a revlet) would individual revlet pages be externally addressable via urls within a requirements mgt database? Or does revweb work as a self-contained 'player', suggesting that I'd need to keep the various pages separate?
> TIA,
> Keith..
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 31 08:09:10 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:09:10 -0200
Subject: [Semi-OT] some images from our upcomming iOS LiveCode built game
In-Reply-To: <4D467A8A.1010609@splash21.com>
References: <AANLkTi=eD-LWMFsx1grGC0GVcCOELnVXaijvkJBKKbaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D467A8A.1010609@splash21.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQYT7d8eeqcKGRa=vuV9aMN2RMBi+k5-M3Vv24@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

we'll also have a desktop version! :-D

As soon as it is ready, I will let all know, happy you guys liked it!

Cheers
andre

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:02 AM, John Craig <john at splash21.com> wrote:
> Great teaser - I'm looking forward to the game!
>
>
>
> On 28/01/2011 19:04, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Following the friday spirit, I share with you guys some images from
>> our upcoming LiveCode built iOS Game. Be aware that all this is still
>> work in progress. Our game is a unique twist on code breaking +
>> adventure game.
>>
>> (our development phase main screen)
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1340110/img_0432.png
>>
>> (our maian level)
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1340110/img_0433.png
>>
>> (our japan level)
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1340110/img_0434.png
>>
>> (our norsk level)
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1340110/img_0435.png
>>
>> The game is being developed by me and my friends on our spare time and
>> we hope will reach beta status soon.
>>
>> I am not the artist, I am just the coder, my friend Raphael is the
>> artist and he is quite gifted.
>>
>> Cheers
>> andre
>> PS: as soon as it is ready, we'll let everyone here know
>>
>
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From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Mon Jan 31 08:27:00 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:27:00 +0000
Subject: Do Revlet pages have unique URLs?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikiZhR6nsQv-2fSuGVzTs+NtCF1mdcr2STU3YjU@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3B6C7CF3-7757-42CC-9FB8-6FA6DC0E8BF2@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<AANLkTikiZhR6nsQv-2fSuGVzTs+NtCF1mdcr2STU3YjU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0FD0420B-F8EB-4FC7-911D-DCD6D8107FEA@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

Andre, Thanks for responding. The question isn't about whether revlets can access other revlets but whether specific revlet stack/card/pages have externally available URLs to open them directly. 

I'm collaborating on a functional specification document (probably in a Google Doc) and would like to embed hyperlinks to specific cards within a 'wire-frames' revlet that I upload onto my VPS. I therefore need either:
1. A single revlet, with externally addressable URLs for each page that it generates - if page-specific URLs are created and available outside the revplayer;
2. Separate revlets for each wire-frame or demo environment - if each revlet is self-contained;

I'd prefer option (1) if it is possible, so that requirements can be linked to different start-points within a single prototype application, but can I access multiple URLs within a revlet - or pass parameters after a single main URL to open a specific stack or card?
Best,
Keith..   

On 31 Jan 2011, at 13:01, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Keith,
> 
> One revlet will not be able to access other revlet unless you load
> them all in the same page and use something like "do ... in browser"
> to communicate which would be hard since you would need to create all
> the communication channel.
> 
> Why not loading all the stacks in the same revlet?
> 
> Andre
> 
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Keith Clarke
> <keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>> I'm looking to pull together various rev wire-frame/prototype/experiment pages for a web app project into a more structured development environment. If I migrate my various experiments into sub-stacks of a single GLX framework app (and then save this as a revlet) would individual revlet pages be externally addressable via urls within a requirements mgt database? Or does revweb work as a self-contained 'player', suggesting that I'd need to keep the various pages separate?
>> TIA,
>> Keith..
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From jemirandav at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 08:31:03 2011
From: jemirandav at gmail.com (Javier Miranda V.)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:31:03 -0400
Subject: LiveCode for e-book production
Message-ID: <5E3CE5BC-78EA-4B52-A034-F7715DD236A1@gmail.com>

As I can tell by your responses I find LC can effectively be used as tool for e-book preparation and also as a reader.  Thank you for your responses, now it?s something related on establishing the scope of the project.  The idea would be to produce a reader capable to reading publications created with LC, which would include all the multimedia amenities, navigation, internal and external links.  



Saludos,

Javier Miranda V.







From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 31 08:33:32 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:33:32 -0200
Subject: Do Revlet pages have unique URLs?
In-Reply-To: <0FD0420B-F8EB-4FC7-911D-DCD6D8107FEA@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <3B6C7CF3-7757-42CC-9FB8-6FA6DC0E8BF2@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<AANLkTikiZhR6nsQv-2fSuGVzTs+NtCF1mdcr2STU3YjU@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FD0420B-F8EB-4FC7-911D-DCD6D8107FEA@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=igqOKvSnuYgCuQD1jzU54mq3GF9vSb+7YuFuP@mail.gmail.com>

Keith,

The revlet is hosted at a web page, you can have different web pages
for each revlet so they will have unique urls. If doing revlets, check
out my library at http://hg.andregarzia.com/revletobject (check the
wiki) it has some nice loading routines for revlets, easier than using
the one RunRev is using.

Andre

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Keith Clarke
<keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:
> Andre, Thanks for responding. The question isn't about whether revlets can access other revlets but whether specific revlet stack/card/pages have externally available URLs to open them directly.
>
> I'm collaborating on a functional specification document (probably in a Google Doc) and would like to embed hyperlinks to specific cards within a 'wire-frames' revlet that I upload onto my VPS. I therefore need either:
> 1. A single revlet, with externally addressable URLs for each page that it generates - if page-specific URLs are created and available outside the revplayer;
> 2. Separate revlets for each wire-frame or demo environment - if each revlet is self-contained;
>
> I'd prefer option (1) if it is possible, so that requirements can be linked to different start-points within a single prototype application, but can I access multiple URLs within a revlet - or pass parameters after a single main URL to open a specific stack or card?
> Best,
> Keith..
>
> On 31 Jan 2011, at 13:01, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> Keith,
>>
>> One revlet will not be able to access other revlet unless you load
>> them all in the same page and use something like "do ... in browser"
>> to communicate which would be hard since you would need to create all
>> the communication channel.
>>
>> Why not loading all the stacks in the same revlet?
>>
>> Andre
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Keith Clarke
>> <keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> I'm looking to pull together various rev wire-frame/prototype/experiment pages for a web app project into a more structured development environment. If I migrate my various experiments into sub-stacks of a single GLX framework app (and then save this as a revlet) would individual revlet pages be externally addressable via urls within a requirements mgt database? Or does revweb work as a self-contained 'player', suggesting that I'd need to keep the various pages separate?
>>> TIA,
>>> Keith..
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 31 08:35:39 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:35:39 -0200
Subject: LiveCode for e-book production
In-Reply-To: <5E3CE5BC-78EA-4B52-A034-F7715DD236A1@gmail.com>
References: <5E3CE5BC-78EA-4B52-A034-F7715DD236A1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikkg5youz00nOKvmbgMFhBossCOqQKf=5RjS3WY@mail.gmail.com>

Javier,

It will be hard to do pure livecode solution for reading epubs, but if
you mix in some revbrowser magic, then it can be done easily. Just
unzip the epub container, rewrite some HTMLs to a temp place and load
them.

Andre

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Javier Miranda V.
<jemirandav at gmail.com> wrote:
> As I can tell by your responses I find LC can effectively be used as tool for e-book preparation and also as a reader. ?Thank you for your responses, now it?s something related on establishing the scope of the project. ?The idea would be to produce a reader capable to reading publications created with LC, which would include all the multimedia amenities, navigation, internal and external links.
>
>
>
> Saludos,
>
> Javier Miranda V.
>
>
>
>
>
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From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Mon Jan 31 10:22:54 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:22:54 +0000
Subject: Do Revlet pages have unique URLs?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=igqOKvSnuYgCuQD1jzU54mq3GF9vSb+7YuFuP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3B6C7CF3-7757-42CC-9FB8-6FA6DC0E8BF2@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<AANLkTikiZhR6nsQv-2fSuGVzTs+NtCF1mdcr2STU3YjU@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FD0420B-F8EB-4FC7-911D-DCD6D8107FEA@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<AANLkTi=igqOKvSnuYgCuQD1jzU54mq3GF9vSb+7YuFuP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0A414458-7891-4F12-BC57-25AE5F742B4C@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

Andre, 
Thanks for sharing.

As your revletobject.load script has 'src', 'stack' and 'id' parameters, it looks like I can get 'inside' the revlet, to open on a specific stack - that makes the single revlet with multiple start-points seem feasible. Great!

If I understand this correctly, if I place this javascript into a holding page for a demo revlet - and then hard-code the stack parameters - the page will launch the demo revlet, focused on the desired stack - nice!

Furthermore, a single demo page could be used to dynamically launch the revlet with the desired stack focus. If I create my functional specification in a spreadsheet or database, with columns for the demonstration revlet & stack parameters, a formula can generate the 'demo' URL with these parameters after a '?' character. Then, I can add to your Javascript, some code that extracts the URL parameters into variables and then launches the demo revlet into the correct stack.

I'm off to learn a bit about Javascript URL extract functions!
Thanks,
Keith..    
 
On 31 Jan 2011, at 13:33, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Keith,
> 
> The revlet is hosted at a web page, you can have different web pages
> for each revlet so they will have unique urls. If doing revlets, check
> out my library at http://hg.andregarzia.com/revletobject (check the
> wiki) it has some nice loading routines for revlets, easier than using
> the one RunRev is using.
> 
> Andre
> 
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Keith Clarke
> <keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:
>> Andre, Thanks for responding. The question isn't about whether revlets can access other revlets but whether specific revlet stack/card/pages have externally available URLs to open them directly.
>> 
>> I'm collaborating on a functional specification document (probably in a Google Doc) and would like to embed hyperlinks to specific cards within a 'wire-frames' revlet that I upload onto my VPS. I therefore need either:
>> 1. A single revlet, with externally addressable URLs for each page that it generates - if page-specific URLs are created and available outside the revplayer;
>> 2. Separate revlets for each wire-frame or demo environment - if each revlet is self-contained;
>> 
>> I'd prefer option (1) if it is possible, so that requirements can be linked to different start-points within a single prototype application, but can I access multiple URLs within a revlet - or pass parameters after a single main URL to open a specific stack or card?
>> Best,
>> Keith..
>> 
>> On 31 Jan 2011, at 13:01, Andre Garzia wrote:
>> 
>>> Keith,
>>> 
>>> One revlet will not be able to access other revlet unless you load
>>> them all in the same page and use something like "do ... in browser"
>>> to communicate which would be hard since you would need to create all
>>> the communication channel.
>>> 
>>> Why not loading all the stacks in the same revlet?
>>> 
>>> Andre
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Keith Clarke
>>> <keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>> I'm looking to pull together various rev wire-frame/prototype/experiment pages for a web app project into a more structured development environment. If I migrate my various experiments into sub-stacks of a single GLX framework app (and then save this as a revlet) would individual revlet pages be externally addressable via urls within a requirements mgt database? Or does revweb work as a self-contained 'player', suggesting that I'd need to keep the various pages separate?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Keith..
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 31 10:40:06 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:40:06 -0200
Subject: Do Revlet pages have unique URLs?
In-Reply-To: <0A414458-7891-4F12-BC57-25AE5F742B4C@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
References: <3B6C7CF3-7757-42CC-9FB8-6FA6DC0E8BF2@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
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Keith,

Yes, I think it is feasible to have a single revlet with multiple
stacks and different entry points based on the stack parameter. Or you
can have a dispatch stack and use the javascript params array to hold
information which will be used by the dispatch stack load load
whatever stack you need. This way you can have more arbitration than
just a stack name if needed.

Extracting URL parameters is not hard but if you want to make it
extremely easy check out: http://menacingcloud.com/?c=uriProcessing
this is just one of the many libraries that make it easy to do it.

If you want to do it by hand, it is just a manipulation on
"window.location" and its members.

Cheers
andre

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Keith Clarke
<keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:
> Andre,
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> As your revletobject.load script has 'src', 'stack' and 'id' parameters, it looks like I can get 'inside' the revlet, to open on a specific stack - that makes the single revlet with multiple start-points seem feasible. Great!
>
> If I understand this correctly, if I place this javascript into a holding page for a demo revlet - and then hard-code the stack parameters - the page will launch the demo revlet, focused on the desired stack - nice!
>
> Furthermore, a single demo page could be used to dynamically launch the revlet with the desired stack focus. If I create my functional specification in a spreadsheet or database, with columns for the demonstration revlet & stack parameters, a formula can generate the 'demo' URL with these parameters after a '?' character. Then, I can add to your Javascript, some code that extracts the URL parameters into variables and then launches the demo revlet into the correct stack.
>
> I'm off to learn a bit about Javascript URL extract functions!
> Thanks,
> Keith..
>
> On 31 Jan 2011, at 13:33, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> Keith,
>>
>> The revlet is hosted at a web page, you can have different web pages
>> for each revlet so they will have unique urls. If doing revlets, check
>> out my library at http://hg.andregarzia.com/revletobject (check the
>> wiki) it has some nice loading routines for revlets, easier than using
>> the one RunRev is using.
>>
>> Andre
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Keith Clarke
>> <keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Andre, Thanks for responding. The question isn't about whether revlets can access other revlets but whether specific revlet stack/card/pages have externally available URLs to open them directly.
>>>
>>> I'm collaborating on a functional specification document (probably in a Google Doc) and would like to embed hyperlinks to specific cards within a 'wire-frames' revlet that I upload onto my VPS. I therefore need either:
>>> 1. A single revlet, with externally addressable URLs for each page that it generates - if page-specific URLs are created and available outside the revplayer;
>>> 2. Separate revlets for each wire-frame or demo environment - if each revlet is self-contained;
>>>
>>> I'd prefer option (1) if it is possible, so that requirements can be linked to different start-points within a single prototype application, but can I access multiple URLs within a revlet - or pass parameters after a single main URL to open a specific stack or card?
>>> Best,
>>> Keith..
>>>
>>> On 31 Jan 2011, at 13:01, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>>
>>>> Keith,
>>>>
>>>> One revlet will not be able to access other revlet unless you load
>>>> them all in the same page and use something like "do ... in browser"
>>>> to communicate which would be hard since you would need to create all
>>>> the communication channel.
>>>>
>>>> Why not loading all the stacks in the same revlet?
>>>>
>>>> Andre
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Keith Clarke
>>>> <keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>> I'm looking to pull together various rev wire-frame/prototype/experiment pages for a web app project into a more structured development environment. If I migrate my various experiments into sub-stacks of a single GLX framework app (and then save this as a revlet) would individual revlet pages be externally addressable via urls within a requirements mgt database? Or does revweb work as a self-contained 'player', suggesting that I'd need to keep the various pages separate?
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>> Keith..
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>>>>
>>>>
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Jan 31 10:51:13 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:51:13 EST
Subject: dgText
Message-ID: <3c3e.746f30cc.3a783471@aol.com>

There is no entry for this property in the dictionary. Or any other 
datagrid properties.

Is it just me?


From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 31 11:51:59 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:51:59 -0800
Subject: Alternating Column Colors?
In-Reply-To: <4D446991.9060204@pdslabs.net>
References: <C9687B5A.50A9B%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<689BFF5A-E660-461B-B188-E8120C77FDEA@twft.com>
	<4D446991.9060204@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <D15AD349-573F-4AE9-B4F4-3C9444B200A4@twft.com>

Wait, you can do this even if there is no data if the data grid?

Bob


On Jan 29, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Scott,
> 
> Each cell in a data grid is a field, so it seems like it should be doable.
> 
> I created a DG and put some data in it. Then I did this from msg:
> 
> put the number of flds in selobj -- DG was selected
> --> 57
> 
> put the name of fld 44 of selobj
> --> field "Status 0008"
> 
> My DG has a column named "Status".
> 
> After further poking around, I see:
> - each DG cell is a field
> - the number of fields is related to the display rect of the DG, not to the number of lines of data in it
> - fields are recreated when the DG's data is changed
> - every field in the DG has a style of 'transparent'
> - you can set a field's style to opaque and then any backColor you apply to it will show up
> - the style changes you make seem to stick until the DG data is changed
> 
> Maybe some of the above will help you on your way.
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/28/11 3:54 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> Oh cool! Then you could make a chess or checkers game! I get it!
>> 
>> I read the API and none of the properties suggests you can do this. I think you will have to find the part of the parent script that draws the cells and change the background color on each one individually for odd or even rows.
>> 
>> The problem will then become, what happens if there is no data? Rows get colored even if there is no data, but no actual cells (cloned fields) get created until there is data.
>> 
>> I tried to edit the row template and put a colored square over the gray bar, but mine is a table not a form. You might be able to do it in a form, I'm not sure. At any rate it didn't work for me.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi List:
>>> 
>>> The data grid nicely incorporates alternating line colors.  But does anyone
>>> know if it's possible to make alternating column colors or cell colors?
>>> 
>>> I'm building a control that has a horizontal scrolling data grid with only
>>> one row.  I'd like to be able to set alternating colors for cells or columns
>>> in the row.  Possible?
>>> 
>>> Thanks&  Regards,
>>> 
>>> Scott Rossi
>>> Creative Director
>>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
> -- 
> Phil Davis
> 
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> http://pdslabs.net
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 31 11:57:48 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:57:48 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=5R3LYeBWXgRpHAJYhSx146J8wiyN+b65vepMC@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=5R3LYeBWXgRpHAJYhSx146J8wiyN+b65vepMC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26FF0242-ECC8-4ADD-B955-E29F7F6B1A95@twft.com>

Well now that there is Livecode for iApps, a lot of people may want it, but I for one am never going to develop a game, even a simple one. 

Bob


On Jan 29, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> It's nice to read discussions about features that
> enhance this platform, but now I have one doubt:
> 
> How many developers (who use Livecode) want
> to see this platform converted in a game engine?
> 
> Notice that the only DLL in my wish list for this
> platform is a SWF player, that allows to run
> movies inside a stack, just like the Quicktime
> externals. I do not want to see a Timeline
> in this platform...
> 
> At least in my mind, you could not build (easily)
> the kind of applications created with Livecode
> if it were a game engine. Am I wrong?
> 
> Or There are no boundaries anymore among
> Software Development tools?
> 
> Al
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 31 12:02:22 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:02:22 -0800
Subject: [Preview]DGH adds new properties for datagrids WAS Alternating
	Column Colors
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikfrHbFUfZ+gpxfzYEdH6CtKTJL_29e43tPxKNM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikfrHbFUfZ+gpxfzYEdH6CtKTJL_29e43tPxKNM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1D5A8AED-4D10-4965-9754-98B41FDD5E8D@twft.com>

All I can say is wow. 

Bob


On Jan 30, 2011, at 3:57 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

> Dear DataGrid users and DGH aficionados,
> 
> Here is a preview video of DGH working on column colors.
> 
> We worked especially to add new special properties for datagrids. An
> extension of the datagrid API prefixed by "dgh", such as
> - the dghProp["Alternate column colors"] of grp "myDataGrid" to pBoolean
> - the dghProp["Column color"] of grp "myDataGrid" to pColor
> - etc
> 
> The video of DGH in action:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/user/TheSlugOnTheRoad#p/u/0/FEY18vzsFJs
> 
> 
> This feature will be available in the next version of DGH.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> -- 
> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 31 12:08:10 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:08:10 -0800
Subject: LiveCode for e-book production
In-Reply-To: <E5C4D41B-542E-4FB7-B463-4EC6C471C3F9@gmail.com>
References: <E5C4D41B-542E-4FB7-B463-4EC6C471C3F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <97DB98BF-DC4E-464E-BC6D-715D63592FDE@twft.com>

I'll be the wet blanket. If there are already economical epub converters out there, or even free ones, then unless you include some functionality that is unique, one might as the question, why?

http://www.2epub.com/

Bob


On Jan 29, 2011, at 7:31 AM, Javier Miranda V. wrote:

> Dear friends, can you please give me your opinions on using LiveCode for e-book production?.  I know LiveCode, being so powerful, can handle complex projects involving lots of logic and structures, but is it suitable / practical to use it for e-book production?.  The possibility of compile for the new mobile operating systems is something wonderful that I would like to to use coupled with the multimedia capabilities.  
> 
> I will be looking forward for your impressions about this.
> 
> 
> Saludos,
> 
> Javier Miranda V.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 31 12:09:52 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:09:52 -0800
Subject: dgText
In-Reply-To: <3c3e.746f30cc.3a783471@aol.com>
References: <3c3e.746f30cc.3a783471@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C3FEDDDF-0873-4749-AC20-845E7014B541@twft.com>

You have to go to the web page for learning to use data grids. There is a whole API and yes, dgText is in there. There is also a tutorial on how to use data grids. 

http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid

Bob

On Jan 31, 2011, at 7:51 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> There is no entry for this property in the dictionary. Or any other 
> datagrid properties.
> 
> Is it just me?
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From form at nonsanity.com  Mon Jan 31 12:11:22 2011
From: form at nonsanity.com (form)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:11:22 -0500
Subject: SPAM Square Up
In-Reply-To: <D85ADA16-424B-43DA-B1D1-F975C27C37B3@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <4E2F85CB-FCDF-4723-8048-00318BE931A0@mac.com>
	<331067861359.20110128172434@ahsoftware.net>
	<AANLkTimx85jyL0LC3eMTesWUxhoyrgNuODUL4o0t0swB@mail.gmail.com>
	<1186C1AD-5666-49FF-B2C4-780BE62A0B09@mac.com>
	<80685100-EE6D-4825-81C1-6C458F5C104C@mollysrevenge.com>
	<60D520A2-9BB6-43F6-BF4B-9FA6C8A564F0@mac.com>
	<D85ADA16-424B-43DA-B1D1-F975C27C37B3@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTino0GJCKbXV3YHapYGdU=fgveFyjMm7FcQGznzu@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at mollysrevenge.com>wrote:

> Don't know about these guys but the credit card processing market is full
> of hidden charges - very much like cell phone plans.  For example, I get
> charged $10/month as a "statement fee"!!!


Now that's making a statement...

I've got one of these Square readers in my pocket. Haven't had the
opportunity to test it, and haven't felt like losing the cut they take from
every transaction just to swipe my own card.

Probably the biggest roadblock to its use is getting people to trust their
credit card to it. Went to lunch with some co-workers and couldn't convince
them to let me consolidate our shares of the cost with it. They preferred to
pay me cash. (Now that I think of it, one of them was a little short, and
now he's no longer with the company... DAMN!)

 ~ Chris Innanen
 ~ Nonsanity


From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Jan 31 12:24:13 2011
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:24:13 EST
Subject: dgText
Message-ID: <a4a7.774e39c6.3a784a3d@aol.com>

Thanks. Bob. I know anout the lesson. I just am surprised that an entire 
section of the language is missing from the dictionary.

Craig

In a message dated 1/31/11 12:12:10 PM, bobs at twft.com writes:


> 
> http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datag
> rid
> 


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 31 12:33:32 2011
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:33:32 -0600
Subject: dgText
In-Reply-To: <a4a7.774e39c6.3a784a3d@aol.com>
References: <a4a7.774e39c6.3a784a3d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D46F26C.3010409@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/31/11 11:24 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> Thanks. Bob. I know anout the lesson. I just am surprised that an entire
> section of the language is missing from the dictionary.

Datagrids aren't "real" controls like the others, they are scripted 
groups written by a third party, and were later added to the tool 
palette for convenient access. So while they appear to be part of the 
engine, they're actually a little more like plugins or add-ons.

That doesn't excuse the lack of integrated documentation, but maybe 
explains it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From form at nonsanity.com  Mon Jan 31 12:35:07 2011
From: form at nonsanity.com (form)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:35:07 -0500
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <26FF0242-ECC8-4ADD-B955-E29F7F6B1A95@twft.com>
References: <AANLkTi=5R3LYeBWXgRpHAJYhSx146J8wiyN+b65vepMC@mail.gmail.com>
	<26FF0242-ECC8-4ADD-B955-E29F7F6B1A95@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin58-tCNRvwMXPKhQm4Jq5edT2rhdV28C6iH_KW@mail.gmail.com>

Even discounting games, I'd love to be able to designate a substack to being
"threaded", disabling its access to objects in other stacks, and limiting
communication to event/message passing.

It would be very much like using the open process command with a Windows
command line program. (WHY doesn't it work with Mac command line
programs?!?!)

I use open process is a stack to start a makefile and monitor its output
while keeping the interface perfectly responsive. I do the same on a mac
using a shell command outputting to a text file that I sample the tail from
in another shell command. Hackier, but it gets the basic job done.

But if I have LiveCode that I want to start and monitor, I'm out of luck.
(Without getting REALLY hacky, that is.)

 ~ Chris Innanen
 ~ Nonsanity


On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> Well now that there is Livecode for iApps, a lot of people may want it, but
> I for one am never going to develop a game, even a simple one.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > It's nice to read discussions about features that
> > enhance this platform, but now I have one doubt:
> >
> > How many developers (who use Livecode) want
> > to see this platform converted in a game engine?
> >
> > Notice that the only DLL in my wish list for this
> > platform is a SWF player, that allows to run
> > movies inside a stack, just like the Quicktime
> > externals. I do not want to see a Timeline
> > in this platform...
> >
> > At least in my mind, you could not build (easily)
> > the kind of applications created with Livecode
> > if it were a game engine. Am I wrong?
> >
> > Or There are no boundaries anymore among
> > Software Development tools?
> >
> > Al
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 31 12:56:02 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:56:02 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin58-tCNRvwMXPKhQm4Jq5edT2rhdV28C6iH_KW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=5R3LYeBWXgRpHAJYhSx146J8wiyN+b65vepMC@mail.gmail.com>
	<26FF0242-ECC8-4ADD-B955-E29F7F6B1A95@twft.com>
	<AANLkTin58-tCNRvwMXPKhQm4Jq5edT2rhdV28C6iH_KW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05480475-2ADB-4300-A77E-3D28B4911B39@twft.com>

When I started this whole thread, what I had in mind was a simple method for allowing commands and even whole stacks to run concurrently with other stacks, while still being able to communicate with each other through the engine. All the stuff about enabling and disabling communications between things is to me irrelevant. Just compile 2 apps and they will not be able to talk natively to each other. Done deal. 

Some tell me that multithreading is not that simple. Well nothing under the hood of any app is simple, and triply so for a development environment. My idea was for the engine to handle communications between all of it's objects the way it does now, but have concurrent processes IF YOU WANTED. 

By default, I envision LiveCode working just the way it does now, with the OPTION to say something like: 

open stack "Accounts Receivable" with new thread
or 
do ReportGen with new thread

I could then check in on the state of a global from time to time in my Progress Bar modal stack or switch back to my "Order Entry" stack and continue entering my customer's order while the report generator was running. See? I personally do not have any interest whatsoever managing all the threading myself. I use LiveCode so I do not HAVE to know or understand that sort of thing. I am only one person. One of the things that LiveCode allows us to do, which is not talked about much, is to produce really nice and functional applications with incredibly minimal resources (like only one developer!)

Bob


On Jan 31, 2011, at 9:35 AM, form wrote:

> Even discounting games, I'd love to be able to designate a substack to being
> "threaded", disabling its access to objects in other stacks, and limiting
> communication to event/message passing.
> 
> It would be very much like using the open process command with a Windows
> command line program. (WHY doesn't it work with Mac command line
> programs?!?!)
> 
> I use open process is a stack to start a makefile and monitor its output
> while keeping the interface perfectly responsive. I do the same on a mac
> using a shell command outputting to a text file that I sample the tail from
> in another shell command. Hackier, but it gets the basic job done.
> 
> But if I have LiveCode that I want to start and monitor, I'm out of luck.
> (Without getting REALLY hacky, that is.)
> 
> ~ Chris Innanen
> ~ Nonsanity
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well now that there is Livecode for iApps, a lot of people may want it, but
>> I for one am never going to develop a game, even a simple one.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 29, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> It's nice to read discussions about features that
>>> enhance this platform, but now I have one doubt:
>>> 
>>> How many developers (who use Livecode) want
>>> to see this platform converted in a game engine?
>>> 
>>> Notice that the only DLL in my wish list for this
>>> platform is a SWF player, that allows to run
>>> movies inside a stack, just like the Quicktime
>>> externals. I do not want to see a Timeline
>>> in this platform...
>>> 
>>> At least in my mind, you could not build (easily)
>>> the kind of applications created with Livecode
>>> if it were a game engine. Am I wrong?
>>> 
>>> Or There are no boundaries anymore among
>>> Software Development tools?
>>> 
>>> Al
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
>> 
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From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Jan 31 12:59:50 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:59:50 -0800
Subject: dgText
In-Reply-To: <a4a7.774e39c6.3a784a3d@aol.com>
References: <a4a7.774e39c6.3a784a3d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D985BF77-0B31-4926-AF3B-84E229488418@mollysrevenge.com>

Yep, I agree.  Datagrids are mentioned in the Reference manual as an available control, they're on the IDE Tool palette but the dictionary is silent about them.  Trevor has very thoroughly documented datagrids at the provided link but but their properties and messages should be in the dictionary.

Pete Haworth

On Jan 31, 2011, at 9:24 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Thanks. Bob. I know anout the lesson. I just am surprised that an entire 
> section of the language is missing from the dictionary.
> 
> Craig
> 
> In a message dated 1/31/11 12:12:10 PM, bobs at twft.com writes:
> 
> 
>> 
>> http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datag
>> rid
>> 
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From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 13:25:52 2011
From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:25:52 -0600
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <05480475-2ADB-4300-A77E-3D28B4911B39@twft.com>
References: <AANLkTi=5R3LYeBWXgRpHAJYhSx146J8wiyN+b65vepMC@mail.gmail.com>
	<26FF0242-ECC8-4ADD-B955-E29F7F6B1A95@twft.com>
	<AANLkTin58-tCNRvwMXPKhQm4Jq5edT2rhdV28C6iH_KW@mail.gmail.com>
	<05480475-2ADB-4300-A77E-3D28B4911B39@twft.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimag0ia1mv0D77h9Oa7OQzS_EUoNwUKnjdw68=B@mail.gmail.com>

How would you handle race conditions and deadlock in a livecode-like way? If
the engine could make it as easy as "with new thread" that would be awesome,
but I think we'd also need ways to prevent/handle the issues that come with
concurrency.

gc

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:

> When I started this whole thread, what I had in mind was a simple method
> for allowing commands and even whole stacks to run concurrently with other
> stacks, while still being able to communicate with each other through the
> engine. All the stuff about enabling and disabling communications between
> things is to me irrelevant. Just compile 2 apps and they will not be able to
> talk natively to each other. Done deal.
>
> Some tell me that multithreading is not that simple. Well nothing under the
> hood of any app is simple, and triply so for a development environment. My
> idea was for the engine to handle communications between all of it's objects
> the way it does now, but have concurrent processes IF YOU WANTED.
>
> By default, I envision LiveCode working just the way it does now, with the
> OPTION to say something like:
>
> open stack "Accounts Receivable" with new thread
> or
> do ReportGen with new thread
>
> I could then check in on the state of a global from time to time in my
> Progress Bar modal stack or switch back to my "Order Entry" stack and
> continue entering my customer's order while the report generator was
> running. See? I personally do not have any interest whatsoever managing all
> the threading myself. I use LiveCode so I do not HAVE to know or understand
> that sort of thing. I am only one person. One of the things that LiveCode
> allows us to do, which is not talked about much, is to produce really nice
> and functional applications with incredibly minimal resources (like only one
> developer!)
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 9:35 AM, form wrote:
>
> > Even discounting games, I'd love to be able to designate a substack to
> being
> > "threaded", disabling its access to objects in other stacks, and limiting
> > communication to event/message passing.
> >
> > It would be very much like using the open process command with a Windows
> > command line program. (WHY doesn't it work with Mac command line
> > programs?!?!)
> >
> > I use open process is a stack to start a makefile and monitor its output
> > while keeping the interface perfectly responsive. I do the same on a mac
> > using a shell command outputting to a text file that I sample the tail
> from
> > in another shell command. Hackier, but it gets the basic job done.
> >
> > But if I have LiveCode that I want to start and monitor, I'm out of luck.
> > (Without getting REALLY hacky, that is.)
> >
> > ~ Chris Innanen
> > ~ Nonsanity
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well now that there is Livecode for iApps, a lot of people may want it,
> but
> >> I for one am never going to develop a game, even a simple one.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 29, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> It's nice to read discussions about features that
> >>> enhance this platform, but now I have one doubt:
> >>>
> >>> How many developers (who use Livecode) want
> >>> to see this platform converted in a game engine?
> >>>
> >>> Notice that the only DLL in my wish list for this
> >>> platform is a SWF player, that allows to run
> >>> movies inside a stack, just like the Quicktime
> >>> externals. I do not want to see a Timeline
> >>> in this platform...
> >>>
> >>> At least in my mind, you could not build (easily)
> >>> the kind of applications created with Livecode
> >>> if it were a game engine. Am I wrong?
> >>>
> >>> Or There are no boundaries anymore among
> >>> Software Development tools?
> >>>
> >>> Al
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 31 13:30:47 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:30:47 -0200
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimag0ia1mv0D77h9Oa7OQzS_EUoNwUKnjdw68=B@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=5R3LYeBWXgRpHAJYhSx146J8wiyN+b65vepMC@mail.gmail.com>
	<26FF0242-ECC8-4ADD-B955-E29F7F6B1A95@twft.com>
	<AANLkTin58-tCNRvwMXPKhQm4Jq5edT2rhdV28C6iH_KW@mail.gmail.com>
	<05480475-2ADB-4300-A77E-3D28B4911B39@twft.com>
	<AANLkTimag0ia1mv0D77h9Oa7OQzS_EUoNwUKnjdw68=B@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinmpbgEEVKvNT+Gmu_44HQbKAMEjp7dN5E0aDpA@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

I've posted an email to this list with subject "on livecode idea"
dealing with some solutions for cooperative threading with state.

cheers
andre

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Geoff Canyon Rev <gcanyon+rev at gmail.com> wrote:
> How would you handle race conditions and deadlock in a livecode-like way? If
> the engine could make it as easy as "with new thread" that would be awesome,
> but I think we'd also need ways to prevent/handle the issues that come with
> concurrency.
>
> gc
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>
>> When I started this whole thread, what I had in mind was a simple method
>> for allowing commands and even whole stacks to run concurrently with other
>> stacks, while still being able to communicate with each other through the
>> engine. All the stuff about enabling and disabling communications between
>> things is to me irrelevant. Just compile 2 apps and they will not be able to
>> talk natively to each other. Done deal.
>>
>> Some tell me that multithreading is not that simple. Well nothing under the
>> hood of any app is simple, and triply so for a development environment. My
>> idea was for the engine to handle communications between all of it's objects
>> the way it does now, but have concurrent processes IF YOU WANTED.
>>
>> By default, I envision LiveCode working just the way it does now, with the
>> OPTION to say something like:
>>
>> open stack "Accounts Receivable" with new thread
>> or
>> do ReportGen with new thread
>>
>> I could then check in on the state of a global from time to time in my
>> Progress Bar modal stack or switch back to my "Order Entry" stack and
>> continue entering my customer's order while the report generator was
>> running. See? I personally do not have any interest whatsoever managing all
>> the threading myself. I use LiveCode so I do not HAVE to know or understand
>> that sort of thing. I am only one person. One of the things that LiveCode
>> allows us to do, which is not talked about much, is to produce really nice
>> and functional applications with incredibly minimal resources (like only one
>> developer!)
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 9:35 AM, form wrote:
>>
>> > Even discounting games, I'd love to be able to designate a substack to
>> being
>> > "threaded", disabling its access to objects in other stacks, and limiting
>> > communication to event/message passing.
>> >
>> > It would be very much like using the open process command with a Windows
>> > command line program. (WHY doesn't it work with Mac command line
>> > programs?!?!)
>> >
>> > I use open process is a stack to start a makefile and monitor its output
>> > while keeping the interface perfectly responsive. I do the same on a mac
>> > using a shell command outputting to a text file that I sample the tail
>> from
>> > in another shell command. Hackier, but it gets the basic job done.
>> >
>> > But if I have LiveCode that I want to start and monitor, I'm out of luck.
>> > (Without getting REALLY hacky, that is.)
>> >
>> > ~ Chris Innanen
>> > ~ Nonsanity
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well now that there is Livecode for iApps, a lot of people may want it,
>> but
>> >> I for one am never going to develop a game, even a simple one.
>> >>
>> >> Bob
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 29, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi All,
>> >>>
>> >>> It's nice to read discussions about features that
>> >>> enhance this platform, but now I have one doubt:
>> >>>
>> >>> How many developers (who use Livecode) want
>> >>> to see this platform converted in a game engine?
>> >>>
>> >>> Notice that the only DLL in my wish list for this
>> >>> platform is a SWF player, that allows to run
>> >>> movies inside a stack, just like the Quicktime
>> >>> externals. I do not want to see a Timeline
>> >>> in this platform...
>> >>>
>> >>> At least in my mind, you could not build (easily)
>> >>> the kind of applications created with Livecode
>> >>> if it were a game engine. Am I wrong?
>> >>>
>> >>> Or There are no boundaries anymore among
>> >>> Software Development tools?
>> >>>
>> >>> Al
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> use-livecode mailing list
>> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >> subscription preferences:
>> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >>
>> >>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 13:32:14 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:32:14 +0200
Subject: SPAM Square Up
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTino0GJCKbXV3YHapYGdU=fgveFyjMm7FcQGznzu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E2F85CB-FCDF-4723-8048-00318BE931A0@mac.com>	<331067861359.20110128172434@ahsoftware.net>	<AANLkTimx85jyL0LC3eMTesWUxhoyrgNuODUL4o0t0swB@mail.gmail.com>	<1186C1AD-5666-49FF-B2C4-780BE62A0B09@mac.com>	<80685100-EE6D-4825-81C1-6C458F5C104C@mollysrevenge.com>	<60D520A2-9BB6-43F6-BF4B-9FA6C8A564F0@mac.com>	<D85ADA16-424B-43DA-B1D1-F975C27C37B3@mollysrevenge.com>
	<AANLkTino0GJCKbXV3YHapYGdU=fgveFyjMm7FcQGznzu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D47002E.6030409@gmail.com>

On 01/31/2011 07:11 PM, form wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Peter Haworth<pete at mollysrevenge.com>wrote:
>
>> Don't know about these guys but the credit card processing market is full
>> of hidden charges - very much like cell phone plans.  For example, I get
>> charged $10/month as a "statement fee"!!!
>
> Now that's making a statement...
>
> I've got one of these Square readers in my pocket. Haven't had the
> opportunity to test it, and haven't felt like losing the cut they take from
> every transaction just to swipe my own card.
>
> Probably the biggest roadblock to its use is getting people to trust their
> credit card to it. Went to lunch with some co-workers and couldn't convince
> them to let me consolidate our shares of the cost with it. They preferred to
> pay me cash. (Now that I think of it, one of them was a little short, and
> now he's no longer with the company... DAMN!)

He was "a little short"; do I detect prejudice against PORGs (People Of 
Restricted Growth)?

Credit cards have always struck me as iniquitous; spending money you 
don't have and
then getting charged interest on it. Personally I always use my Debit 
card (obviously,
for the benefit of lovers of the Brazil-Bulgaria Axis of Bentness (BBAB) 
out there, I don't mean
a Bulgarian debit card) when I make online payments. No interest, and no 
risk of spending money
I don't have . . .  :)

I, also, always do it via . . .

Tor : http://www.torproject.org

Call me "an*l", call me "over cautious"; but, frankly, I'd rather you 
called me those things rather
than find that some member of the BBAB has been buying his girlfriend 
thongs, or himself
leopard-skin posing pouches with my debit card . . .  :)

>   ~ Chris Innanen
>   ~ Nonsanity
> _______________________________________________

Disclaimer: Richmond Mathewson is not, and never has been, associated 
with the
Brazil-Bulgaria Axis of Bentness . . .  :)


From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 31 13:35:07 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:35:07 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimag0ia1mv0D77h9Oa7OQzS_EUoNwUKnjdw68=B@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=5R3LYeBWXgRpHAJYhSx146J8wiyN+b65vepMC@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTin58-tCNRvwMXPKhQm4Jq5edT2rhdV28C6iH_KW@mail.gmail.com>
	<05480475-2ADB-4300-A77E-3D28B4911B39@twft.com>
	<AANLkTimag0ia1mv0D77h9Oa7OQzS_EUoNwUKnjdw68=B@mail.gmail.com>
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I don't understand how you could have a deadlock. If you mean call something from one threaded stack which in turn calls something in the first threaded stack, then I would say, don't do that! Same as I would say, don't write an infinite loop! Sure you can, why would you?

Bob


On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote:

> How would you handle race conditions and deadlock in a livecode-like way? If
> the engine could make it as easy as "with new thread" that would be awesome,
> but I think we'd also need ways to prevent/handle the issues that come with
> concurrency.
> 
> gc
> 
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> 
>> When I started this whole thread, what I had in mind was a simple method
>> for allowing commands and even whole stacks to run concurrently with other
>> stacks, while still being able to communicate with each other through the
>> engine. All the stuff about enabling and disabling communications between
>> things is to me irrelevant. Just compile 2 apps and they will not be able to
>> talk natively to each other. Done deal.
>> 
>> Some tell me that multithreading is not that simple. Well nothing under the
>> hood of any app is simple, and triply so for a development environment. My
>> idea was for the engine to handle communications between all of it's objects
>> the way it does now, but have concurrent processes IF YOU WANTED.
>> 
>> By default, I envision LiveCode working just the way it does now, with the
>> OPTION to say something like:
>> 
>> open stack "Accounts Receivable" with new thread
>> or
>> do ReportGen with new thread
>> 
>> I could then check in on the state of a global from time to time in my
>> Progress Bar modal stack or switch back to my "Order Entry" stack and
>> continue entering my customer's order while the report generator was
>> running. See? I personally do not have any interest whatsoever managing all
>> the threading myself. I use LiveCode so I do not HAVE to know or understand
>> that sort of thing. I am only one person. One of the things that LiveCode
>> allows us to do, which is not talked about much, is to produce really nice
>> and functional applications with incredibly minimal resources (like only one
>> developer!)
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 9:35 AM, form wrote:
>> 
>>> Even discounting games, I'd love to be able to designate a substack to
>> being
>>> "threaded", disabling its access to objects in other stacks, and limiting
>>> communication to event/message passing.
>>> 
>>> It would be very much like using the open process command with a Windows
>>> command line program. (WHY doesn't it work with Mac command line
>>> programs?!?!)
>>> 
>>> I use open process is a stack to start a makefile and monitor its output
>>> while keeping the interface perfectly responsive. I do the same on a mac
>>> using a shell command outputting to a text file that I sample the tail
>> from
>>> in another shell command. Hackier, but it gets the basic job done.
>>> 
>>> But if I have LiveCode that I want to start and monitor, I'm out of luck.
>>> (Without getting REALLY hacky, that is.)
>>> 
>>> ~ Chris Innanen
>>> ~ Nonsanity
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Well now that there is Livecode for iApps, a lot of people may want it,
>> but
>>>> I for one am never going to develop a game, even a simple one.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 29, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's nice to read discussions about features that
>>>>> enhance this platform, but now I have one doubt:
>>>>> 
>>>>> How many developers (who use Livecode) want
>>>>> to see this platform converted in a game engine?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Notice that the only DLL in my wish list for this
>>>>> platform is a SWF player, that allows to run
>>>>> movies inside a stack, just like the Quicktime
>>>>> externals. I do not want to see a Timeline
>>>>> in this platform...
>>>>> 
>>>>> At least in my mind, you could not build (easily)
>>>>> the kind of applications created with Livecode
>>>>> if it were a game engine. Am I wrong?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or There are no boundaries anymore among
>>>>> Software Development tools?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Al
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 31 13:36:53 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:36:53 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
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	<05480475-2ADB-4300-A77E-3D28B4911B39@twft.com>
	<AANLkTimag0ia1mv0D77h9Oa7OQzS_EUoNwUKnjdw68=B@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinmpbgEEVKvNT+Gmu_44HQbKAMEjp7dN5E0aDpA@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Andre I read that. Good stuff. I was thinking it might be possible to do really simply internally to the engine so pea brains like me wouldn't have to wrap their minds around stateful programming. Maybe I am barking up the wrong data tree. 

Bob


On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> I've posted an email to this list with subject "on livecode idea"
> dealing with some solutions for cooperative threading with state.
> 
> cheers
> andre




From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Jan 31 13:41:11 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:41:11 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <05480475-2ADB-4300-A77E-3D28B4911B39@twft.com>
References: <AANLkTi=5R3LYeBWXgRpHAJYhSx146J8wiyN+b65vepMC@mail.gmail.com>
	<26FF0242-ECC8-4ADD-B955-E29F7F6B1A95@twft.com>
	<AANLkTin58-tCNRvwMXPKhQm4Jq5edT2rhdV28C6iH_KW@mail.gmail.com>
	<05480475-2ADB-4300-A77E-3D28B4911B39@twft.com>
Message-ID: <83A6820F-72F1-49B7-A402-14BF253633E8@mollysrevenge.com>

I'll admit that I've never had the need to do this with LC but it feels like it should be possible.  How about this.

Make your "Accounts Receivable" a separate standalone LC application and start it up from your main application when it starts up. 

The AR program would have an appleEvent handler in it looking for messages sent to it with a "send to program" command from your main App and use the request appleEvent command to get whatever data you send to it.  Or your main app could put the data in some place accessible to both programs, perhaps an SQL table of pending requests.  

On receipt of the appleEvent, the AR program would do it's thing and send an AppleEvent back to your main program when it's done or report progress back at regular intervals, whatever you need it to do. 

When it's done, it would sit there waiting for another appleEvent to tell it what to do next.   

There don't seem to be equivalents to send to program and appleEvent for Windows but I'll bet some of the smart people on this list can suggest something (and perhaps a better way of doing it on a Mac)

I'm sure this is an over-simplistic description but it seems like it oughta work?

Pete Haworth

On Jan 31, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> When I started this whole thread, what I had in mind was a simple method for allowing commands and even whole stacks to run concurrently with other stacks, while still being able to communicate with each other through the engine. All the stuff about enabling and disabling communications between things is to me irrelevant. Just compile 2 apps and they will not be able to talk natively to each other. Done deal. 
> 
> Some tell me that multithreading is not that simple. Well nothing under the hood of any app is simple, and triply so for a development environment. My idea was for the engine to handle communications between all of it's objects the way it does now, but have concurrent processes IF YOU WANTED. 
> 
> By default, I envision LiveCode working just the way it does now, with the OPTION to say something like: 
> 
> open stack "Accounts Receivable" with new thread
> or 
> do ReportGen with new thread
> 
> I could then check in on the state of a global from time to time in my Progress Bar modal stack or switch back to my "Order Entry" stack and continue entering my customer's order while the report generator was running. See? I personally do not have any interest whatsoever managing all the threading myself. I use LiveCode so I do not HAVE to know or understand that sort of thing. I am only one person. One of the things that LiveCode allows us to do, which is not talked about much, is to produce really nice and functional applications with incredibly minimal resources (like only one developer!)
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 9:35 AM, form wrote:
> 
>> Even discounting games, I'd love to be able to designate a substack to being
>> "threaded", disabling its access to objects in other stacks, and limiting
>> communication to event/message passing.
>> 
>> It would be very much like using the open process command with a Windows
>> command line program. (WHY doesn't it work with Mac command line
>> programs?!?!)
>> 
>> I use open process is a stack to start a makefile and monitor its output
>> while keeping the interface perfectly responsive. I do the same on a mac
>> using a shell command outputting to a text file that I sample the tail from
>> in another shell command. Hackier, but it gets the basic job done.
>> 
>> But if I have LiveCode that I want to start and monitor, I'm out of luck.
>> (Without getting REALLY hacky, that is.)
>> 
>> ~ Chris Innanen
>> ~ Nonsanity
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well now that there is Livecode for iApps, a lot of people may want it, but
>>> I for one am never going to develop a game, even a simple one.
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> It's nice to read discussions about features that
>>>> enhance this platform, but now I have one doubt:
>>>> 
>>>> How many developers (who use Livecode) want
>>>> to see this platform converted in a game engine?
>>>> 
>>>> Notice that the only DLL in my wish list for this
>>>> platform is a SWF player, that allows to run
>>>> movies inside a stack, just like the Quicktime
>>>> externals. I do not want to see a Timeline
>>>> in this platform...
>>>> 
>>>> At least in my mind, you could not build (easily)
>>>> the kind of applications created with Livecode
>>>> if it were a game engine. Am I wrong?
>>>> 
>>>> Or There are no boundaries anymore among
>>>> Software Development tools?
>>>> 
>>>> Al
>>>> 
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From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Mon Jan 31 13:43:53 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:43:53 +0000
Subject: Do Revlet pages have unique URLs?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik3WMaAyxSduCWYgK8caSf+7=62VuUjhsUaRowk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3B6C7CF3-7757-42CC-9FB8-6FA6DC0E8BF2@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
	<AANLkTikiZhR6nsQv-2fSuGVzTs+NtCF1mdcr2STU3YjU@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FD0420B-F8EB-4FC7-911D-DCD6D8107FEA@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <DD3E91A2-3516-4BFF-93E0-BCF301FED8A1@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>

Andre,
Great advice, thanks. 

I think for now, I'll adopt:
? Revlet: A single demo revlet, as a container for all the work-inprogress prototype UI stacks. This will mean that they can grow together, in their sparkling new GLX framework and with their shared libraries, etc.
? Demo page: A single page, with your Javascript revletobject.load script, modified with URL extract capabilities (I'll share this if/when I get it working)
? Requirements mgt system: a simple spreadsheet-based environment, with formula-based URLs to access the relevant revlet demo start-point.

That'll do nicely!

Thanks again, Andre.
Keith..  

On 31 Jan 2011, at 15:40, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Keith,
> 
> Yes, I think it is feasible to have a single revlet with multiple
> stacks and different entry points based on the stack parameter. Or you
> can have a dispatch stack and use the javascript params array to hold
> information which will be used by the dispatch stack load load
> whatever stack you need. This way you can have more arbitration than
> just a stack name if needed.
> 
> Extracting URL parameters is not hard but if you want to make it
> extremely easy check out: http://menacingcloud.com/?c=uriProcessing
> this is just one of the many libraries that make it easy to do it.
> 
> If you want to do it by hand, it is just a manipulation on
> "window.location" and its members.
> 
> Cheers
> andre
> 
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Keith Clarke
> <keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:
>> Andre,
>> Thanks for sharing.
>> 
>> As your revletobject.load script has 'src', 'stack' and 'id' parameters, it looks like I can get 'inside' the revlet, to open on a specific stack - that makes the single revlet with multiple start-points seem feasible. Great!
>> 
>> If I understand this correctly, if I place this javascript into a holding page for a demo revlet - and then hard-code the stack parameters - the page will launch the demo revlet, focused on the desired stack - nice!
>> 
>> Furthermore, a single demo page could be used to dynamically launch the revlet with the desired stack focus. If I create my functional specification in a spreadsheet or database, with columns for the demonstration revlet & stack parameters, a formula can generate the 'demo' URL with these parameters after a '?' character. Then, I can add to your Javascript, some code that extracts the URL parameters into variables and then launches the demo revlet into the correct stack.
>> 
>> I'm off to learn a bit about Javascript URL extract functions!
>> Thanks,
>> Keith..
>> 
>> On 31 Jan 2011, at 13:33, Andre Garzia wrote:
>> 
>>> Keith,
>>> 
>>> The revlet is hosted at a web page, you can have different web pages
>>> for each revlet so they will have unique urls. If doing revlets, check
>>> out my library at http://hg.andregarzia.com/revletobject (check the
>>> wiki) it has some nice loading routines for revlets, easier than using
>>> the one RunRev is using.
>>> 
>>> Andre
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Keith Clarke
>>> <keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Andre, Thanks for responding. The question isn't about whether revlets can access other revlets but whether specific revlet stack/card/pages have externally available URLs to open them directly.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm collaborating on a functional specification document (probably in a Google Doc) and would like to embed hyperlinks to specific cards within a 'wire-frames' revlet that I upload onto my VPS. I therefore need either:
>>>> 1. A single revlet, with externally addressable URLs for each page that it generates - if page-specific URLs are created and available outside the revplayer;
>>>> 2. Separate revlets for each wire-frame or demo environment - if each revlet is self-contained;
>>>> 
>>>> I'd prefer option (1) if it is possible, so that requirements can be linked to different start-points within a single prototype application, but can I access multiple URLs within a revlet - or pass parameters after a single main URL to open a specific stack or card?
>>>> Best,
>>>> Keith..
>>>> 
>>>> On 31 Jan 2011, at 13:01, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Keith,
>>>>> 
>>>>> One revlet will not be able to access other revlet unless you load
>>>>> them all in the same page and use something like "do ... in browser"
>>>>> to communicate which would be hard since you would need to create all
>>>>> the communication channel.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why not loading all the stacks in the same revlet?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andre
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Keith Clarke
>>>>> <keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>> I'm looking to pull together various rev wire-frame/prototype/experiment pages for a web app project into a more structured development environment. If I migrate my various experiments into sub-stacks of a single GLX framework app (and then save this as a revlet) would individual revlet pages be externally addressable via urls within a requirements mgt database? Or does revweb work as a self-contained 'player', suggesting that I'd need to keep the various pages separate?
>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>> Keith..
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 31 13:54:38 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:54:38 -0800
Subject: dgText
In-Reply-To: <D985BF77-0B31-4926-AF3B-84E229488418@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <a4a7.774e39c6.3a784a3d@aol.com>
	<D985BF77-0B31-4926-AF3B-84E229488418@mollysrevenge.com>
Message-ID: <36FDB2CE-3C5C-4905-9149-43AB18F3CDAF@twft.com>

Yes, after the initial euphoria of going gold with a product, who wants to return to the tedium of documentation? I have foresworn to never document anything I do. If the end user cannot figure it out on his own, I've designed a lousy interface. That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it! heh heh

Bob


On Jan 31, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Yep, I agree.  Datagrids are mentioned in the Reference manual as an available control, they're on the IDE Tool palette but the dictionary is silent about them.  Trevor has very thoroughly documented datagrids at the provided link but but their properties and messages should be in the dictionary.
> 
> Pete Haworth




From form at nonsanity.com  Mon Jan 31 14:00:33 2011
From: form at nonsanity.com (form)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:00:33 -0500
Subject: Getting Contents of Multiple fields in order (Left-to-Right&Down)
In-Reply-To: <4D45AF86.5040604@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <B8213429-D5BE-4B06-9C54-3F115D02EB3D@gmail.com>
	<B6B18419-D36B-4811-A50D-5016F4DA496E@laposte.net>
	<BA05AB44-14B5-4534-9A04-AFFB584DF103@mac.com>
	<BAY152-w47309E0D6798A3A7841B85EDE10@phx.gbl>
	<0B9266DE-CFEA-4D58-B020-16472FC8DCE7@mac.com>
	<08592DC8-12CD-4E96-A442-83DF1C0347C9@yahoo.com>
	<4D445FC2.1030500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<0605BB02-52DD-4DF4-8F3B-D9843D7E8639@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTi=pO2TGEpNo2dNmMEukFb4s7tcP4n4oqQORjiyO@mail.gmail.com>

I'm thinking you're going for refrigerator poetry magnets, or something like
it. To that end, I made something that reads the order similar to the way a
human would. I haven't tested it a lot, but this was the arrangement I used:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/144280/btnorder.png

There are a dozen buttons, named with their btn number. (So button 6 is
named "6".) Notice that word 8 is at about the same level as word 9, but
still counts as part of the second row.

Running the following script sets properties on all the buttons (and one on
the card) that lets you easily walk through them from other scripts. The
scanrwords command needs to be re-run after moving the buttons, but only
then.

The last chunk of the scanwords command does a sample walkthrough and
outputs the buttons in "word" order to the messagebox. Use that code in
other functions that need to move through the words.


on scanwords
   -- clear the custom properties
   repeat with a = 1 to the number of btns
      set the nextbtn of btn a to "0"
      set the lastbtn of btn a to "0"
      set the startsline of btn a to "0"
      set the linenumber of btn a to "0"
      set the nextline of btn a to "0"
   end repeat

   repeat with a = 1 to the number of btns
      put item 1 of the loc of btn a into x
      put item 2 of the loc of btn a into y
      put "" into nxtbtn
      put 100000000 into nxtd
      repeat with b = 1 to the number of btns
         if a = b then next repeat
         put dist( loc of btn a, loc of btn b ) into d
         put item 1 of the loc of btn b into x1
         put item 2 of the loc of btn b into y1
         if x < x1 and abs(x1 - x) >= abs(y1 - y) and d < nxtd then
            put d into nxtd
            put b into nxtbtn
         end if
      end repeat
      if nxtbtn is not empty then
         set the nextbtn of btn a to nxtbtn
         set the lastbtn of btn nxtbtn to a
      end if
   end repeat

   put "" into sortlines
   repeat with a = 1 to the number of btns
      if the lastbtn of btn a < 1
      then put item 2 of the loc of btn a &","& a & return after sortlines
   end repeat
   sort lines of sortlines numeric by item 1 of each
   repeat with a = 1 to the number of lines in sortlines
      set the startsline of btn (item 2 of line a of sortlines) to a
   end repeat

   set the firstbtn of this card to item 2 of line 1 of sortlines
   put 0 into lasttgt
   repeat with a = 1 to the number of lines in sortlines
      put item 2 of line a of sortlines into tgt
      set the linenumber of btn tgt to a
      if lasttgt > 0 then set the nextline of btn lasttgt to tgt
      put the short name of btn tgt &"," after output
      put tgt into lasttgt
      put the nextbtn of btn tgt into tgt
      repeat while tgt > 0
         set the linenumber of btn tgt to a
         put the short name of btn tgt &"," after output
         put tgt into lasttgt
         put the nextbtn of btn tgt into tgt
      end repeat
   end repeat

   -- all buttons are now tagged with the information needed to read them
   -- the first button is in the firstbtn of this card
   -- buttons that start a new line have a startsline property of the line
they start
   -- the line each button is on is in its linenumber property
   -- the nextbtn and lastbtn point to the next and last button in that
line, respectively
   -- buttons at the end of a line have a nextline property with
   --    the number of the next line's first button

   -- output the "words" in order to the msg box
   put "" into output
   put the firstbtn of this card into tgt
   repeat while tgt > 0
      put tgt &"," after output
      get the nextbtn of btn tgt
      if it < 1 then get the nextline of btn tgt
      put it into tgt
   end repeat
   delete last char of output
   put output into msg
end scanwords


function dist a, b
   return sqrt( (item 1 of b - item 1 of a)*(item 1 of b - item 1 of a) +
(item 2 of b - item 2 of a)*(item 2 of b - item 2 of a) )
end dist


 ~ Chris Innanen
 ~ Nonsanity


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 14:06:34 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:06:34 +0200
Subject: [OT] Microsoft SOS
Message-ID: <4D47083A.7090009@gmail.com>

Here we go again:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12325139


From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Jan 31 14:10:13 2011
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:10:13 -0200
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <A31DE744-17D4-49DB-BB27-F56B5DC19720@twft.com>
References: <AANLkTi=5R3LYeBWXgRpHAJYhSx146J8wiyN+b65vepMC@mail.gmail.com>
	<26FF0242-ECC8-4ADD-B955-E29F7F6B1A95@twft.com>
	<AANLkTin58-tCNRvwMXPKhQm4Jq5edT2rhdV28C6iH_KW@mail.gmail.com>
	<05480475-2ADB-4300-A77E-3D28B4911B39@twft.com>
	<AANLkTimag0ia1mv0D77h9Oa7OQzS_EUoNwUKnjdw68=B@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTimn+pFfi31SE+-_cYgodpBJt6DN9zuqc+t0ciJV@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

thanks for the kind words.

My idea is that if we just had some more introspection power from the
engine, we could implement this and even more in pure livecode script,
if we did that in some smart way, others would benefit without
understanding the internals, just like SSL, I have no clue how that
work but I use it all the time! :-D

Cheers
andre

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
> Thanks Andre I read that. Good stuff. I was thinking it might be possible to do really simply internally to the engine so pea brains like me wouldn't have to wrap their minds around stateful programming. Maybe I am barking up the wrong data tree.Bob
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I've posted an email to this list with subject "on livecode idea"
>> dealing with some solutions for cooperative threading with state.
>>
>> cheers
>> andre
>
>
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From form at nonsanity.com  Mon Jan 31 14:11:08 2011
From: form at nonsanity.com (form)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:11:08 -0500
Subject: Getting Contents of Multiple fields in order (Left-to-Right&Down)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=pO2TGEpNo2dNmMEukFb4s7tcP4n4oqQORjiyO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B8213429-D5BE-4B06-9C54-3F115D02EB3D@gmail.com>
	<B6B18419-D36B-4811-A50D-5016F4DA496E@laposte.net>
	<BA05AB44-14B5-4534-9A04-AFFB584DF103@mac.com>
	<BAY152-w47309E0D6798A3A7841B85EDE10@phx.gbl>
	<0B9266DE-CFEA-4D58-B020-16472FC8DCE7@mac.com>
	<08592DC8-12CD-4E96-A442-83DF1C0347C9@yahoo.com>
	<4D445FC2.1030500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<0605BB02-52DD-4DF4-8F3B-D9843D7E8639@yahoo.com>
	<4D446C03.4030102@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E69D45BC-D9C3-46DC-A923-D842535C66A2@mac.com>
	<4D45AF86.5040604@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTi=pO2TGEpNo2dNmMEukFb4s7tcP4n4oqQORjiyO@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik3PcuhT0gdVddghgGpvCMrFUZNVYK3jzg-ORNJ@mail.gmail.com>

Slight fix to the code:

if x < x1 and abs(x1 - x) >= abs(y1 - y) and d < nxtd and the lastbtn of btn
b < 1 then

Needed to make sure the button wasn't already used in the previous line.

 ~ Chris Innanen
 ~ Nonsanity



On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 2:00 PM, form <form at nonsanity.com> wrote:

> I'm thinking you're going for refrigerator poetry magnets, or something
> like it. To that end, I made something that reads the order similar to the
> way a human would. I haven't tested it a lot, but this was the arrangement I
> used:
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/144280/btnorder.png
>
> There are a dozen buttons, named with their btn number. (So button 6 is
> named "6".) Notice that word 8 is at about the same level as word 9, but
> still counts as part of the second row.
>
> Running the following script sets properties on all the buttons (and one on
> the card) that lets you easily walk through them from other scripts. The
> scanrwords command needs to be re-run after moving the buttons, but only
> then.
>
> The last chunk of the scanwords command does a sample walkthrough and
> outputs the buttons in "word" order to the messagebox. Use that code in
> other functions that need to move through the words.
>
>
> on scanwords
>    -- clear the custom properties
>    repeat with a = 1 to the number of btns
>       set the nextbtn of btn a to "0"
>       set the lastbtn of btn a to "0"
>       set the startsline of btn a to "0"
>       set the linenumber of btn a to "0"
>       set the nextline of btn a to "0"
>    end repeat
>
>    repeat with a = 1 to the number of btns
>       put item 1 of the loc of btn a into x
>       put item 2 of the loc of btn a into y
>       put "" into nxtbtn
>       put 100000000 into nxtd
>       repeat with b = 1 to the number of btns
>          if a = b then next repeat
>          put dist( loc of btn a, loc of btn b ) into d
>          put item 1 of the loc of btn b into x1
>          put item 2 of the loc of btn b into y1
>          if x < x1 and abs(x1 - x) >= abs(y1 - y) and d < nxtd then
>             put d into nxtd
>             put b into nxtbtn
>          end if
>       end repeat
>       if nxtbtn is not empty then
>          set the nextbtn of btn a to nxtbtn
>          set the lastbtn of btn nxtbtn to a
>       end if
>    end repeat
>
>    put "" into sortlines
>    repeat with a = 1 to the number of btns
>       if the lastbtn of btn a < 1
>       then put item 2 of the loc of btn a &","& a & return after sortlines
>    end repeat
>    sort lines of sortlines numeric by item 1 of each
>    repeat with a = 1 to the number of lines in sortlines
>       set the startsline of btn (item 2 of line a of sortlines) to a
>    end repeat
>
>    set the firstbtn of this card to item 2 of line 1 of sortlines
>    put 0 into lasttgt
>    repeat with a = 1 to the number of lines in sortlines
>       put item 2 of line a of sortlines into tgt
>       set the linenumber of btn tgt to a
>       if lasttgt > 0 then set the nextline of btn lasttgt to tgt
>       put the short name of btn tgt &"," after output
>       put tgt into lasttgt
>       put the nextbtn of btn tgt into tgt
>       repeat while tgt > 0
>          set the linenumber of btn tgt to a
>          put the short name of btn tgt &"," after output
>          put tgt into lasttgt
>          put the nextbtn of btn tgt into tgt
>       end repeat
>    end repeat
>
>    -- all buttons are now tagged with the information needed to read them
>    -- the first button is in the firstbtn of this card
>    -- buttons that start a new line have a startsline property of the line
> they start
>    -- the line each button is on is in its linenumber property
>    -- the nextbtn and lastbtn point to the next and last button in that
> line, respectively
>    -- buttons at the end of a line have a nextline property with
>    --    the number of the next line's first button
>
>    -- output the "words" in order to the msg box
>    put "" into output
>    put the firstbtn of this card into tgt
>    repeat while tgt > 0
>       put tgt &"," after output
>       get the nextbtn of btn tgt
>       if it < 1 then get the nextline of btn tgt
>       put it into tgt
>    end repeat
>    delete last char of output
>    put output into msg
> end scanwords
>
>
> function dist a, b
>    return sqrt( (item 1 of b - item 1 of a)*(item 1 of b - item 1 of a) +
> (item 2 of b - item 2 of a)*(item 2 of b - item 2 of a) )
> end dist
>
>
>  ~ Chris Innanen
>  ~ Nonsanity
>
>


From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Mon Jan 31 14:12:26 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:12:26 +0000
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <83A6820F-72F1-49B7-A402-14BF253633E8@mollysrevenge.com>
References: <AANLkTi=5R3LYeBWXgRpHAJYhSx146J8wiyN+b65vepMC@mail.gmail.com>
	<26FF0242-ECC8-4ADD-B955-E29F7F6B1A95@twft.com>
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Taking Pete's idea a tad further, is there any mileage in considering shifting the 'threading' problem up from within the engine to the level of distributed computing/integration?

What if the main application could call upon an LC 'governor' library - with message broker/load balancer/workflow capabilities that could worry about state and overall application workflow, whilst using an SOA-like architecture, to spawn instances of LC engines, as needed, to run discrete processes (the 'threads') and pass results back through the 'governor' application? Could a set of LiveCode, platform-independent REST-type messages - request, acknowledgement, response - be used to manage the communications? The governor app could also provide process control, monitoring the triggered LC engine instances and if necessary, killing and restarting, etc. Would such an approach also allow greater scalability, with multiple LC 'work-horse' engines running on one or more boxes? That might be tempting for Revserver situations? 

I don't really know what I'm talking about here - this is probably all metabollocks. However, perhaps the problems of managing a network of simple things might be easier than creating a bigger, monolithic, slower, riskier, multi-threading engine?
Best,
Keith..

On 31 Jan 2011, at 18:41, Peter Haworth wrote:

> I'll admit that I've never had the need to do this with LC but it feels like it should be possible.  How about this.
> 
> Make your "Accounts Receivable" a separate standalone LC application and start it up from your main application when it starts up. 
> 
> The AR program would have an appleEvent handler in it looking for messages sent to it with a "send to program" command from your main App and use the request appleEvent command to get whatever data you send to it.  Or your main app could put the data in some place accessible to both programs, perhaps an SQL table of pending requests.  
> 
> On receipt of the appleEvent, the AR program would do it's thing and send an AppleEvent back to your main program when it's done or report progress back at regular intervals, whatever you need it to do. 
> 
> When it's done, it would sit there waiting for another appleEvent to tell it what to do next.   
> 
> There don't seem to be equivalents to send to program and appleEvent for Windows but I'll bet some of the smart people on this list can suggest something (and perhaps a better way of doing it on a Mac)
> 
> I'm sure this is an over-simplistic description but it seems like it oughta work?
> 
> Pete Haworth
> 
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> When I started this whole thread, what I had in mind was a simple method for allowing commands and even whole stacks to run concurrently with other stacks, while still being able to communicate with each other through the engine. All the stuff about enabling and disabling communications between things is to me irrelevant. Just compile 2 apps and they will not be able to talk natively to each other. Done deal. 
>> 
>> Some tell me that multithreading is not that simple. Well nothing under the hood of any app is simple, and triply so for a development environment. My idea was for the engine to handle communications between all of it's objects the way it does now, but have concurrent processes IF YOU WANTED. 
>> 
>> By default, I envision LiveCode working just the way it does now, with the OPTION to say something like: 
>> 
>> open stack "Accounts Receivable" with new thread
>> or 
>> do ReportGen with new thread
>> 
>> I could then check in on the state of a global from time to time in my Progress Bar modal stack or switch back to my "Order Entry" stack and continue entering my customer's order while the report generator was running. See? I personally do not have any interest whatsoever managing all the threading myself. I use LiveCode so I do not HAVE to know or understand that sort of thing. I am only one person. One of the things that LiveCode allows us to do, which is not talked about much, is to produce really nice and functional applications with incredibly minimal resources (like only one developer!)
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 9:35 AM, form wrote:
>> 
>>> Even discounting games, I'd love to be able to designate a substack to being
>>> "threaded", disabling its access to objects in other stacks, and limiting
>>> communication to event/message passing.
>>> 
>>> It would be very much like using the open process command with a Windows
>>> command line program. (WHY doesn't it work with Mac command line
>>> programs?!?!)
>>> 
>>> I use open process is a stack to start a makefile and monitor its output
>>> while keeping the interface perfectly responsive. I do the same on a mac
>>> using a shell command outputting to a text file that I sample the tail from
>>> in another shell command. Hackier, but it gets the basic job done.
>>> 
>>> But if I have LiveCode that I want to start and monitor, I'm out of luck.
>>> (Without getting REALLY hacky, that is.)
>>> 
>>> ~ Chris Innanen
>>> ~ Nonsanity
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobs at twft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Well now that there is Livecode for iApps, a lot of people may want it, but
>>>> I for one am never going to develop a game, even a simple one.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 29, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's nice to read discussions about features that
>>>>> enhance this platform, but now I have one doubt:
>>>>> 
>>>>> How many developers (who use Livecode) want
>>>>> to see this platform converted in a game engine?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Notice that the only DLL in my wish list for this
>>>>> platform is a SWF player, that allows to run
>>>>> movies inside a stack, just like the Quicktime
>>>>> externals. I do not want to see a Timeline
>>>>> in this platform...
>>>>> 
>>>>> At least in my mind, you could not build (easily)
>>>>> the kind of applications created with Livecode
>>>>> if it were a game engine. Am I wrong?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or There are no boundaries anymore among
>>>>> Software Development tools?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Al
>>>>> 
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 31 14:39:45 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:39:45 -0800
Subject: [OT] Microsoft SOS
In-Reply-To: <4D47083A.7090009@gmail.com>
References: <4D47083A.7090009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B10C5B5-23FB-49B7-9E6E-B72E2CC93B38@twft.com>

I am so very, very tired. 

Bob


On Jan 31, 2011, at 11:06 AM, Richmond wrote:

> Here we go again:
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12325139
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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 31 14:43:04 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:43:04 -0800
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <599F74E3-4967-4C6A-B800-41D4B077E636@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
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	<AANLkTin58-tCNRvwMXPKhQm4Jq5edT2rhdV28C6iH_KW@mail.gmail.com>
	<05480475-2ADB-4300-A77E-3D28B4911B39@twft.com>
	<83A6820F-72F1-49B7-A402-14BF253633E8@mollysrevenge.com>
	<599F74E3-4967-4C6A-B800-41D4B077E636@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
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Wha?? Metal Buttocks?? I think we have a new ban category!! 

All in fun, 
Bob


On Jan 31, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:

> I don't really know what I'm talking about here - this is probably all metabollocks.




From keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk  Mon Jan 31 14:58:17 2011
From: keith.clarke at clarkeandclarke.co.uk (Keith Clarke)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:58:17 +0000
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <80374BE4-4970-446E-8D80-3E32DF705910@twft.com>
References: <AANLkTi=5R3LYeBWXgRpHAJYhSx146J8wiyN+b65vepMC@mail.gmail.com>
	<26FF0242-ECC8-4ADD-B955-E29F7F6B1A95@twft.com>
	<AANLkTin58-tCNRvwMXPKhQm4Jq5edT2rhdV28C6iH_KW@mail.gmail.com>
	<05480475-2ADB-4300-A77E-3D28B4911B39@twft.com>
	<83A6820F-72F1-49B7-A402-14BF253633E8@mollysrevenge.com>
	<599F74E3-4967-4C6A-B800-41D4B077E636@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
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Bollox is the detailed rubbish - metabollox is the multi-faceted architecture of the detailed rubbish. A kind of virtual landfill!

Metal Buttocks is a completely different website! ;-)

...I'll get my coat... 

On 31 Jan 2011, at 19:43, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Wha?? Metal Buttocks?? I think we have a new ban category!! 
> 
> All in fun, 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:
> 
>> I don't really know what I'm talking about here - this is probably all metabollocks.
> 
> 
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From ma at snowcamp.org  Mon Jan 31 15:20:38 2011
From: ma at snowcamp.org (Mike Arnold)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:20:38 -0500
Subject: Linux standalone
Message-ID: <5D9CAC97-9E0F-4E52-BD04-2A3E017D8E7A@snowcamp.org>

I am working on the multi-platform distribution of a simple application that uses revBrowser function.  The mac standalone (development system too) is working, Windows in about 95% (still haven't figured out how to handle separators & disabled items which seem to not work in Windows), but now that I am moving on to Linux, I am seeing more problems.  The Windows implementation of revBrowser had some interesting unique differences and it seems Linux does too.

In particular, I create a substack and display a revBrowser window there with 'in-memory' html, the new substack window is empty.  Is there something I must do differently for Linux?

thanks,
Mike.


From bornstein at designeq.com  Mon Jan 31 15:12:23 2011
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:12:23 -0800
Subject: semi[OT] Preview of Intelli-Pubs
In-Reply-To: <F2E982C0-694D-4E8A-92B9-04094FF0DB1D@telenet.be>
References: <F2E982C0-694D-4E8A-92B9-04094FF0DB1D@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=DcZVPfHgjxYTun4ihEUhNotXV2Ug7f7e-ZAF8@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:41 AM, <tkuypers at telenet.be> wrote:

> Please take a look at some screenshots at http://www.intelli-pubs.com,
> look forward to some reactions.
>

Couldn't get this link to work: "the server where this page is located isn?t
responding."

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From katir at hindu.org  Mon Jan 31 15:50:30 2011
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:50:30 -1000
Subject: LiveCode for e-book production
In-Reply-To: <E5C4D41B-542E-4FB7-B463-4EC6C471C3F9@gmail.com>
References: <E5C4D41B-542E-4FB7-B463-4EC6C471C3F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D472096.30009@hindu.org>

  I know LiveCode, being so powerful, can handle complex projects 
involving lots of logic and structures, but is it suitable / practical 
to use it for e-book production?
> Saludos,
>
> Javier Miranda V.
>


Like Jim said and Colin implied, "It depends on what you mean by eBook. "

We are deep into eBooks here.  Probably more than you want to know here, 
but here goes anyway:

What LiveCode can do or not do for you in the production process depends 
both on your source content and target channels.

If you are "man in the middle" with a client shoving you MSWord docs, 
images and files and they want to deliver to:

1) ePub for iBooks or Adobe Digital Editions
2) .mobi for Kindle or .epub for Nook

then you might find your best tools are to create the book in Adobe 
indesign and then outsource the job to a company in India that 
specializes in creating the above formats (for incredibly low prices, 
e.g. 75 cents a page) Atritex in Chennai. (amazing team there) The above 
formats are .xhtml files with some metadata files + CSS  that all 
conform to a relatively dumbed down html mark up but very precise.

(see our first offerings here: all free:
http://www.himalayanacademy.com/donations/ddd

LiveCode is really not the platform for creating ePub (mobi, nook) 
because the html-text of fields is very limited. And to code all the 
tools for that in LiveCode when InDesign does it for you automatically 
(more or less) would be a bit insane.

That said, I use LiveCode for decades to drive in house publishing 
production processes. e.g. for eBook i have a widget that can upzip the 
epub, get an index of the files and pass off the launching to BBEdit, 
save the .xhtml files, then launch them for preview in Safari (which let 
's you see pretty much everything you will on the iPad except for page 
breaks.)
i.e. Livecode is just acting as a file manager and GUI for work flows 
and not really doing anything at all  for the "product."

I was going to develop this even more, but then, thanks to someone here 
on this list pointing out about getting artwork done on eLance, we  
found this incredible company in Chennai and outsourced the work to 
them... via eLance

I'm sooooo glad, because getting in the trenches with epub format felt 
like horrible neanderthal regression to html circa 1998.

see latest releases here:

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/ebooks/

Atritex turned and entire issue of Hinduism Today magazine into an ebook 
in less than a week!  We got back to them with a few refinement requests 
and we had a finished product in under 3 weeks for less thatn $2.00 a 
page... and here our team of 6 had been sweating out days and days of 
learning curve learning how to dumb down complex publications to ebook 
formats, going nuts over minute details of getting CSS to just deliver a 
proper margin underneath and image on the iPad, "Oh Gawd Please!"  
really, you don't want to go there if you don't have to... It was 
painful but now we outsource it.

But frankly, even though we are focused now on moving *all* of our print 
content in to the above epub formats, as a matter of course, so to speak 
on our road map, all indications from early deployment are that while 
you will always have a segment of people who just like to sit back and 
"read stuff" in their old comfortable chair with  a Kindle or at 
breakfast with their iPad, the next generation really does not consume 
information like that any more, even if you stick a SomeCoolNovel.epub 
in their face in the iBook store, they necessarily won't go for it. Over 
40 maybe... still like to read walls of type... And don't think they are 
not smart and don't think "they don't read any more." both are 
stereotypes that miss the truth, it's just that "walls of words." (Pages 
and pages of type with occasional images) are no longer very magnetic 
for many of them.

ON THE OTHER HAND

If you are not man in the middle and are also the "creative" you could 
certainly create  marvelous interactive LiveCode  stacks, which would 
include enough reading material and some kind of "pagination" model that 
fit the old paradigm just enough for you to still call it a "book"  and 
deploy it as an application and then just label it "eBook" ... the young 
generation (freshmen at college thru two-five years out from graduation) 
won't care what you call it.

You can check out my still popular:

http://himalayanacademy.com/resources/children/dws_youth/

(made in 2002, still runs!)

get the stack if you want here:

go stack url 
"http://himalayanacademy.com/resources/children/dws_youth/dwsYouthCourse.rev"

If I added a little sound and video to that thing it would be suddenly "hot"


But, it would not be accepted in iBooks or other eBook channels that 
require the epub or mobi standard for content.

So, are these things  really an "eBooks" or an "applications" with lots 
of information and type?

So, even though we *are* going to get all publications dumbed down to 
*.xhtml-epub... internally we probably will be moving in the other 
direction, right  now we are already taking edu KeyNotes, segmenting 
these and putting up on YouTube.

I've been waiting for 2 years! for the RevWeb Plug in.. and then we can 
leverage this new model for content delivery... but I don't think we can 
call them eBooks.  And, not to forget. even today, people are 
downloading my few standalone stacks  some made nearly 10 years ago for 
delivery off line to kids classes (via PC and projectors) if we get a 
revWeb plug in for browsers on Android and/or we can deliver standalone 
apps to the new wave of tablets,

Much of whether we can do much in this direction (for those not really 
focused on iOS) depends if LiveCode gets their web-multi-media end of 
the product up enough, soon enough. They are 2-5 years behind the rest 
of the digital world in this arena. And "iOS Fever" is only delaying it 
even more....e.g. a a smart young newbie with the chops for coding, 
buying this product for creative content delivery, will be shocked to 
discover he cannot even play multiple sounds simultaneously. (oops, 
don't get me going again -- on the multi-media issues...)

But I still keep hoping. Meanwhile for production-business tools 
LiveCode is the best.

Aum Shanti,

Sivakatirswami
Kauai's Hindu Monastery

www.himalayanacademy.com
www.hinduismtoday.com













From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 15:52:23 2011
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:52:23 +0200
Subject: An idea on multithreading implementation
In-Reply-To: <9606ADA8-50C4-4FB9-BD91-760E7E72BDBC@clarkeandclarke.co.uk>
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On 01/31/2011 09:58 PM, Keith Clarke wrote:
> Bollox is the detailed rubbish - metabollox is the multi-faceted architecture of the detailed rubbish. A kind of virtual landfill!
>
> Metal Buttocks is a completely different website! ;-)
>
> ...I'll get my coat...

Oh Dear: just don't start "Flash"-ing . . . :)

> On 31 Jan 2011, at 19:43, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>> Wha?? Metal Buttocks?? I think we have a new ban category!!
>>
>> All in fun,
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> I don't really know what I'm talking about here - this is probably all metabollocks.
>>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jan 31 15:54:36 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:54:36 -0800
Subject: Linux standalone
Message-ID: <4D47218C.5080508@fourthworld.com>

Mike Arnold wrote:

 > The Windows implementation of revBrowser had some interesting
 > unique differences and it seems Linux does too.
 >
 > In particular, I create a substack and display a revBrowser window
 > there with 'in-memory' html, the new substack window is empty.  Is
 > there something I must do differently for Linux?

Where do I get revBrowser for Linux?

I've been wanting this for some time, but I haven't seen notice that one 
was made and I don't see it in my LC 
3.5.3/Contents/Runtime/Linux/x86-32/Externals/ folder.

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  Fourth World
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  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From pete at mollysrevenge.com  Mon Jan 31 15:56:57 2011
From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:56:57 -0800
Subject: Enhancement Vote
Message-ID: <738B04DC-8795-4F90-A7BC-80ED60C2838B@mollysrevenge.com>

I submitted a request a while back to have an option to sort the substacks of a main stack in alpha name order in the IDE Application Browser Window.  It's report number 9299.  I have no idea if the dev team place any weight on the number of votes a request receives but if this is something you would like to see, give it a vote at http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=9299

Thanks,

Pete Haworth










From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Jan 31 16:03:24 2011
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:03:24 -0800
Subject: Alternating Column Colors?
In-Reply-To: <D15AD349-573F-4AE9-B4F4-3C9444B200A4@twft.com>
References: <C9687B5A.50A9B%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<689BFF5A-E660-461B-B188-E8120C77FDEA@twft.com>	<4D446991.9060204@pdslabs.net>
	<D15AD349-573F-4AE9-B4F4-3C9444B200A4@twft.com>
Message-ID: <4D47239C.7060600@pdslabs.net>

I don't think so - the fields don't exist until you put some data into the grid.
Phil


On 1/31/11 8:51 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Wait, you can do this even if there is no data if the data grid?
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Each cell in a data grid is a field, so it seems like it should be doable.
>>
>> I created a DG and put some data in it. Then I did this from msg:
>>
>> put the number of flds in selobj -- DG was selected
>> -->  57
>>
>> put the name of fld 44 of selobj
>> -->  field "Status 0008"
>>
>> My DG has a column named "Status".
>>
>> After further poking around, I see:
>> - each DG cell is a field
>> - the number of fields is related to the display rect of the DG, not to the number of lines of data in it
>> - fields are recreated when the DG's data is changed
>> - every field in the DG has a style of 'transparent'
>> - you can set a field's style to opaque and then any backColor you apply to it will show up
>> - the style changes you make seem to stick until the DG data is changed
>>
>> Maybe some of the above will help you on your way.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/28/11 3:54 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> Oh cool! Then you could make a chess or checkers game! I get it!
>>>
>>> I read the API and none of the properties suggests you can do this. I think you will have to find the part of the parent script that draws the cells and change the background color on each one individually for odd or even rows.
>>>
>>> The problem will then become, what happens if there is no data? Rows get colored even if there is no data, but no actual cells (cloned fields) get created until there is data.
>>>
>>> I tried to edit the row template and put a colored square over the gray bar, but mine is a table not a form. You might be able to do it in a form, I'm not sure. At any rate it didn't work for me.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi List:
>>>>
>>>> The data grid nicely incorporates alternating line colors.  But does anyone
>>>> know if it's possible to make alternating column colors or cell colors?
>>>>
>>>> I'm building a control that has a horizontal scrolling data grid with only
>>>> one row.  I'd like to be able to set alternating colors for cells or columns
>>>> in the row.  Possible?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks&   Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Scott Rossi
>>>> Creative Director
>>>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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>>
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>>
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From warren at warrensweb.us  Mon Jan 31 16:15:13 2011
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:15:13 -0600
Subject: Linux standalone
In-Reply-To: <5D9CAC97-9E0F-4E52-BD04-2A3E017D8E7A@snowcamp.org>
References: <5D9CAC97-9E0F-4E52-BD04-2A3E017D8E7A@snowcamp.org>
Message-ID: <1296508513.8083.83.camel@mint-i7>

On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 15:20 -0500, Mike Arnold wrote: 
> I am working on the multi-platform distribution of a simple application that uses revBrowser function.  The mac standalone (development system too) is working, Windows in about 95% (still haven't figured out how to handle separators & disabled items which seem to not work in Windows), but now that I am moving on to Linux, I am seeing more problems.  The Windows implementation of revBrowser had some interesting unique differences and it seems Linux does too.
> 
> In particular, I create a substack and display a revBrowser window there with 'in-memory' html, the new substack window is empty.  Is there something I must do differently for Linux?
> 
> thanks,
> Mike.
> _______________________________________________




Hi Mike, 

revBrowser doesn't exist for Linux :( That explains the blank window. If
you check the dictionary, you'll notice all the revBrowser stuff is only
for Windows and Mac. 

As Richard suggests, when a browser object becomes available for Linux,
there will be some very happy Livecoders!

Best,

Warren





From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 31 17:04:34 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:04:34 -0800
Subject: Alternating Column Colors?
In-Reply-To: <4D47239C.7060600@pdslabs.net>
References: <C9687B5A.50A9B%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<689BFF5A-E660-461B-B188-E8120C77FDEA@twft.com>	<4D446991.9060204@pdslabs.net>
	<D15AD349-573F-4AE9-B4F4-3C9444B200A4@twft.com>
	<4D47239C.7060600@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <E0DC0B5D-61B6-4C4A-9558-708E454FF094@twft.com>

And yet see Zryip's new feature for DGH! He seems to have pulled it off nicely. 

Bob


On Jan 31, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> I don't think so - the fields don't exist until you put some data into the grid.
> Phil
> 
> 
> On 1/31/11 8:51 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> Wait, you can do this even if there is no data if the data grid?
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 29, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> Each cell in a data grid is a field, so it seems like it should be doable.
>>> 
>>> I created a DG and put some data in it. Then I did this from msg:
>>> 
>>> put the number of flds in selobj -- DG was selected
>>> -->  57
>>> 
>>> put the name of fld 44 of selobj
>>> -->  field "Status 0008"
>>> 
>>> My DG has a column named "Status".
>>> 
>>> After further poking around, I see:
>>> - each DG cell is a field
>>> - the number of fields is related to the display rect of the DG, not to the number of lines of data in it
>>> - fields are recreated when the DG's data is changed
>>> - every field in the DG has a style of 'transparent'
>>> - you can set a field's style to opaque and then any backColor you apply to it will show up
>>> - the style changes you make seem to stick until the DG data is changed
>>> 
>>> Maybe some of the above will help you on your way.
>>> 
>>> Phil
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/28/11 3:54 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>>> Oh cool! Then you could make a chess or checkers game! I get it!
>>>> 
>>>> I read the API and none of the properties suggests you can do this. I think you will have to find the part of the parent script that draws the cells and change the background color on each one individually for odd or even rows.
>>>> 
>>>> The problem will then become, what happens if there is no data? Rows get colored even if there is no data, but no actual cells (cloned fields) get created until there is data.
>>>> 
>>>> I tried to edit the row template and put a colored square over the gray bar, but mine is a table not a form. You might be able to do it in a form, I'm not sure. At any rate it didn't work for me.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi List:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The data grid nicely incorporates alternating line colors.  But does anyone
>>>>> know if it's possible to make alternating column colors or cell colors?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm building a control that has a horizontal scrolling data grid with only
>>>>> one row.  I'd like to be able to set alternating colors for cells or columns
>>>>> in the row.  Possible?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks&   Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott Rossi
>>>>> Creative Director
>>>>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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>>> -- 
>>> Phil Davis
>>> 
>>> PDS Labs
>>> Professional Software Development
>>> http://pdslabs.net
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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From johnpatten at mac.com  Mon Jan 31 17:12:18 2011
From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:12:18 -0800
Subject: Getting Contents of Multiple fields in order (Left-to-Right&Down)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik3PcuhT0gdVddghgGpvCMrFUZNVYK3jzg-ORNJ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B8213429-D5BE-4B06-9C54-3F115D02EB3D@gmail.com>
	<B6B18419-D36B-4811-A50D-5016F4DA496E@laposte.net>
	<BA05AB44-14B5-4534-9A04-AFFB584DF103@mac.com>
	<BAY152-w47309E0D6798A3A7841B85EDE10@phx.gbl>
	<0B9266DE-CFEA-4D58-B020-16472FC8DCE7@mac.com>
	<08592DC8-12CD-4E96-A442-83DF1C0347C9@yahoo.com>
	<4D445FC2.1030500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<0605BB02-52DD-4DF4-8F3B-D9843D7E8639@yahoo.com>
	<4D446C03.4030102@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E69D45BC-D9C3-46DC-A923-D842535C66A2@mac.com>
	<4D45AF86.5040604@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AANLkTi=pO2TGEpNo2dNmMEukFb4s7tcP4n4oqQORjiyO@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik3PcuhT0gdVddghgGpvCMrFUZNVYK3jzg-ORNJ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <978227C0-DA0D-4EF2-B31A-3F5625AE4222@mac.com>

Thanks Chris!

I still seem to be getting some inconsistencies related to your  
script. I thought I'd align each button  by its bottom, but that did  
not seem to help. It seems it reads a partial correct order. I've  
placed a copy of the stack here:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6767916/RefrigMagnetTest.livecode

It seems like some of the custom properties are not registering  
correctly...?

Thanks for your help!

John Patten
SUSD



On Jan 31, 2011, at 11:11 AM, form wrote:

> Slight fix to the code:
>
> if x < x1 and abs(x1 - x) >= abs(y1 - y) and d < nxtd and the  
> lastbtn of btn
> b < 1 then
>
> Needed to make sure the button wasn't already used in the previous  
> line.
>
> ~ Chris Innanen
> ~ Nonsanity
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 2:00 PM, form <form at nonsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking you're going for refrigerator poetry magnets, or  
>> something
>> like it. To that end, I made something that reads the order similar  
>> to the
>> way a human would. I haven't tested it a lot, but this was the  
>> arrangement I
>> used:
>>
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/144280/btnorder.png
>>
>> There are a dozen buttons, named with their btn number. (So button  
>> 6 is
>> named "6".) Notice that word 8 is at about the same level as word  
>> 9, but
>> still counts as part of the second row.
>>
>> Running the following script sets properties on all the buttons  
>> (and one on
>> the card) that lets you easily walk through them from other  
>> scripts. The
>> scanrwords command needs to be re-run after moving the buttons, but  
>> only
>> then.
>>
>> The last chunk of the scanwords command does a sample walkthrough and
>> outputs the buttons in "word" order to the messagebox. Use that  
>> code in
>> other functions that need to move through the words.
>>
>>
>> on scanwords
>>   -- clear the custom properties
>>   repeat with a = 1 to the number of btns
>>      set the nextbtn of btn a to "0"
>>      set the lastbtn of btn a to "0"
>>      set the startsline of btn a to "0"
>>      set the linenumber of btn a to "0"
>>      set the nextline of btn a to "0"
>>   end repeat
>>
>>   repeat with a = 1 to the number of btns
>>      put item 1 of the loc of btn a into x
>>      put item 2 of the loc of btn a into y
>>      put "" into nxtbtn
>>      put 100000000 into nxtd
>>      repeat with b = 1 to the number of btns
>>         if a = b then next repeat
>>         put dist( loc of btn a, loc of btn b ) into d
>>         put item 1 of the loc of btn b into x1
>>         put item 2 of the loc of btn b into y1
>>         if x < x1 and abs(x1 - x) >= abs(y1 - y) and d < nxtd then
>>            put d into nxtd
>>            put b into nxtbtn
>>         end if
>>      end repeat
>>      if nxtbtn is not empty then
>>         set the nextbtn of btn a to nxtbtn
>>         set the lastbtn of btn nxtbtn to a
>>      end if
>>   end repeat
>>
>>   put "" into sortlines
>>   repeat with a = 1 to the number of btns
>>      if the lastbtn of btn a < 1
>>      then put item 2 of the loc of btn a &","& a & return after  
>> sortlines
>>   end repeat
>>   sort lines of sortlines numeric by item 1 of each
>>   repeat with a = 1 to the number of lines in sortlines
>>      set the startsline of btn (item 2 of line a of sortlines) to a
>>   end repeat
>>
>>   set the firstbtn of this card to item 2 of line 1 of sortlines
>>   put 0 into lasttgt
>>   repeat with a = 1 to the number of lines in sortlines
>>      put item 2 of line a of sortlines into tgt
>>      set the linenumber of btn tgt to a
>>      if lasttgt > 0 then set the nextline of btn lasttgt to tgt
>>      put the short name of btn tgt &"," after output
>>      put tgt into lasttgt
>>      put the nextbtn of btn tgt into tgt
>>      repeat while tgt > 0
>>         set the linenumber of btn tgt to a
>>         put the short name of btn tgt &"," after output
>>         put tgt into lasttgt
>>         put the nextbtn of btn tgt into tgt
>>      end repeat
>>   end repeat
>>
>>   -- all buttons are now tagged with the information needed to read  
>> them
>>   -- the first button is in the firstbtn of this card
>>   -- buttons that start a new line have a startsline property of  
>> the line
>> they start
>>   -- the line each button is on is in its linenumber property
>>   -- the nextbtn and lastbtn point to the next and last button in  
>> that
>> line, respectively
>>   -- buttons at the end of a line have a nextline property with
>>   --    the number of the next line's first button
>>
>>   -- output the "words" in order to the msg box
>>   put "" into output
>>   put the firstbtn of this card into tgt
>>   repeat while tgt > 0
>>      put tgt &"," after output
>>      get the nextbtn of btn tgt
>>      if it < 1 then get the nextline of btn tgt
>>      put it into tgt
>>   end repeat
>>   delete last char of output
>>   put output into msg
>> end scanwords
>>
>>
>> function dist a, b
>>   return sqrt( (item 1 of b - item 1 of a)*(item 1 of b - item 1 of  
>> a) +
>> (item 2 of b - item 2 of a)*(item 2 of b - item 2 of a) )
>> end dist
>>
>>
>> ~ Chris Innanen
>> ~ Nonsanity
>>
>>
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From ma at snowcamp.org  Mon Jan 31 17:24:47 2011
From: ma at snowcamp.org (Mike Arnold)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:24:47 -0500
Subject: Linux standalone
In-Reply-To: <1296508513.8083.83.camel@mint-i7>
References: <5D9CAC97-9E0F-4E52-BD04-2A3E017D8E7A@snowcamp.org>
	<1296508513.8083.83.camel@mint-i7>
Message-ID: <D83B2C73-7C09-4729-B2E1-11704F420393@snowcamp.org>

Warren & Richard,

Thank you for your responses.  Yep, right there in the doc it says that its Windows & Mac only.  That is quite disappointing (but at least it is documented, unlike a number of other mac vs windows behaviors).  

Its not that I expect many (if any) linux users for this particular application, but its just disappointing for such a common function to not be available across all platforms.  Though the fact that menus (comboxes, etc) are missing commonly supported features like separator lines & disabled item   are missing from windows is also a big disappointment. (is there a way to implement these?)

sorry for the whine,
Mike.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jan 31 17:43:34 2011
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:43:34 -0800
Subject: Linux standalone
Message-ID: <4D473B16.8070806@fourthworld.com>

Mike Arnold wrote:

 > Yep, right there in the doc it says that its Windows & Mac only.
 > That is quite disappointing (but at least it is documented, unlike
 > a number of other mac vs windows behaviors).
 > Its not that I expect many (if any) linux users for this particular
 > application, but its just disappointing for such a common function to
 > not be available across all platforms.

There will likely be an option for us to see a Linux version of 
RevBrowser relatively soon, but how soon is anyone's guess right now. 
Hopefully Kevin can chime in with details.

 > Though the fact that menus (comboxes, etc) are missing commonly
 > supported features like separator lines & disabled item  are missing
 > from windows is also a big disappointment. (is there a way to
 > implement these?)

Microsoft says "no"; there's no support for that in their HIG. :(

I wouldn't mind if RunRev rolled their own on that one; I think MS' 
position on it is wrong.

--
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  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
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  LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv



From revmaillist at positivme.com  Mon Jan 31 18:12:08 2011
From: revmaillist at positivme.com (Thunder)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:12:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: semi[OT] Preview of Intelli-Pubs
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=DcZVPfHgjxYTun4ihEUhNotXV2Ug7f7e-ZAF8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F2E982C0-694D-4E8A-92B9-04094FF0DB1D@telenet.be>
	<AANLkTi=DcZVPfHgjxYTun4ihEUhNotXV2Ug7f7e-ZAF8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1296515528415-3250158.post@n4.nabble.com>


Ditto ...
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 18:55:49 2011
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:55:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] Revision to TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <40D457E1-6CF0-459C-8736-B121BA131802@mac.com>
References: <40D457E1-6CF0-459C-8736-B121BA131802@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1296518149001-3250202.post@n4.nabble.com>


Hi Roger,

Many thanks for updating
your stack with ideas
proposed in this list.

Have you test it in Windows?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3834621/TimeMachine_screenshot.PNG

When I open the stack on Windows, 
I receive many warnings:

     	compiling at 7:17:22 PM
Type	if: missing 'then'
Object	play
Line	if gTP  eval then send "mouseUp" to btn "strtOvr"
Hint		

(Probably, you used a Mac Only character instead of <>)

Cant find handler "clearFlds"
Line: send "clearFlds" to stack "eventControl"

How could I fix these warnings?
Thanks in advance.

Alejandro

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From bobs at twft.com  Mon Jan 31 19:19:42 2011
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:19:42 -0800
Subject: [ANN] Revision to TimeMachine
In-Reply-To: <1296518149001-3250202.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <40D457E1-6CF0-459C-8736-B121BA131802@mac.com>
	<1296518149001-3250202.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D38188DC-815D-474D-A0A0-04ED5D928CC3@twft.com>

Try changing it to is or is not. I always use words instead of operators because it makes the code easy to read, and I don't run into these kinds of problems. 

Bob


On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> 
> Hi Roger,
> 
> Many thanks for updating
> your stack with ideas
> proposed in this list.
> 
> Have you test it in Windows?
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3834621/TimeMachine_screenshot.PNG
> 
> When I open the stack on Windows, 
> I receive many warnings:
> 
>     	compiling at 7:17:22 PM
> Type	if: missing 'then'
> Object	play
> Line	if gTP  eval then send "mouseUp" to btn "strtOvr"
> Hint		
> 
> (Probably, you used a Mac Only character instead of <>)
> 
> Cant find handler "clearFlds"
> Line: send "clearFlds" to stack "eventControl"
> 
> How could I fix these warnings?
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Alejandro
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