From crw at nosirrah.com Sat May 1 01:34:00 2010 From: crw at nosirrah.com (Graham & Heather Harrison) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 15:34:00 +1000 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <20100428153044.6EBB52884AD@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100428153044.6EBB52884AD@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: In the first rev lesson on externals at http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/7116-How-to-safely-attach-an-external-to-your-stack, after saving the stack this statement is issued: send "revert" to me in 5 ticks -- the equivalent of quit then restart. When I use this under rev 4.0.0 on Mac OS X 10.6.3, it causes the card to go into strobe mode. Any explanations? From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 1 02:15:02 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 09:15:02 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BD9B481.2040501@gmail.com> <731E4637-F102-48F8-9599-67EE840DD7AA@numericable.com> <4BD9CD97.7050104@gmail.com> <1272652562182-2077346.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BDBC6E6.70701@gmail.com> On 01/05/2010 04:34, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Peter Alcibiades< > palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> Some very wise comments on this issue: >> > Yes, many of the reader 'comments' made about this article are very wise. > Unfortunately the article itself seems to be written by someone who believes > they live in an idealistic world where people are forced to buy Apple > products. > Well; nobody is forced to buy Apple products, but there is a tremendous amount of peer pressure among the 20-40 year olds (who make up the majority of the tech consumers) which almost amounts to compulsion. Steve Jobs, like it or not, does have dictatorial tendencies, and, like it or not, he does have tremendous power. It is entirely possible, of course, to pop round the corner, buy a cheapo PC and run whatever form of Linux grabs your fancy for next to nothing - I know because that is very much "my bag"; but I'm a 48 year-old non-conformist who has had people being rude to and about him for so long that he has ceased to care; having a sufficiently self-confident ego that it hasn't been crushed over the years. Unfortunately (at least from my point of view) the world that buys new computers (i.e. North America, Europe, Australia and the Pacific Rim) does not consist of lots of goats; it consists of sheep mainly. Last year, in Edinburgh the most informative thing for me (even more than the conference) were the looks my wife's 7 year old G4 iBook was getting in the Student halls of residence from Japanese students; several of them came over and asked me why I didn't have a whizz-bang, spiffy-bananas macBook - I don't think any of them could understand my reply: "When it breaks down completely I will buy a new laptop, if I still need one." I have a similar problem with 3 spoilt rich kids I teach English to who cannot understand why I have a G3 iMac at the front of the class rather than some newer machine attached to a monster flat-screen VDU. I have told them that when I put my fees up from ?4 for 90 minutes to ?40 I will get a flat-screen for myself upstairs; but that the G3 is "just the ticket" for the school. ------------------------------------------------- Yes, there are many wise remarks; but they are probably tempered by a realisation that most of the "spending public" are fairly foolish and prone to the winds of fashion. The woman who helps my younger son with his Bulgarian literature came round to borrow some money the other day because she had seen a whopper flat-screen TV at half price in some trade mag a week earlier and spent the month's food-and-bills money on it so she could be just like the people next door (who enjoy a much larger income): I forwent the temptation to give her a suitably pompous lecture . . . :) Quod erat demonstrandum (kept the pomposity for here). From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 1 02:20:17 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 09:20:17 +0300 Subject: [OT] MicroSheep follow a "bad" Apple Message-ID: <4BDBC821.4050707@gmail.com> Adobe must be sweating: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/30/microsoft-looks-to-a-future-of-h-264-based-html5-for-web-video-content/ Well; happy RunRev developers; it is proabbaly better in the long run if Flash becomes less all-pervasive, especially if the revWeb plugin for Linux can get sorted out. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sat May 1 03:15:18 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 00:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BD9B481.2040501@gmail.com> <731E4637-F102-48F8-9599-67EE840DD7AA@numericable.com> <4BD9CD97.7050104@gmail.com> <1272652562182-2077346.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1272698118008-2107283.post@n4.nabble.com> The article starts out by endorsing Jobs' criticism of Flash and agreeing with him that the problem with Flash is that it is proprietary, and that an Internet in which much of the content is coded in a proprietary format which requires a particular software package from one vendor to access it, is a bad thing. By 'a bad thing' people who make this argument usually mean that an outcome may result from the rational, informed and independent choices of the individuals who make up a society. But were they collectively to be asked whether it they like or approve of it or prefer it, they would say no. The ensemble of choices rational for the indiviiduals, when taken as a whole, diminishes utility for all. We might prefer there to be clean fuel regulations, but if there are not any, coal is cheaper and its rational for us as individuals to burn it, because going to coke is more expensive for us, and will make no difference to total emissions. Now consider revWeb. Jobs would have the same objection to it. If it were simply an easy and cheap way to write apps which run in a browser, that would be fine. But if it were to get out and be, like Flash, a medium in which much public Internet content was coded, everyone would have to install the revWeb plug-in, and that would be only available from one vendor. Both Jobs and the EFF would object to this even if, as with Flash, its adoption resulted from free individual choices by content developers and web users. Jobs is then strongly critical of cross-platform development suites. Rev is, or is trying to be, fully cross platform, and revWeb makes it cross platform in spades: it makes it possible to compile to a browser application, as well as a standalone desktop application. So this is cross platform between desktop and web browser app, and it also tries to be cross platform across browsers, and finally it is cross-platform in the traditional sense, between different operating systems. The article points out that the grounds on which Jobs objects to Flash are also applicable to much of Apple's own conduct, and it points out in addition that the real problem for Jobs with cross platform development tools is that they allow 'write once run everywhere', whereas what Jobs would like is to have total control over applications and content on 'his' platform, and so would like to have writing for Apple be a dedicated exercise tailored to their platform. Rev is clearly in the sights on this one. There is an odd idea, in some recent defenses of Apple, and in the comments on Ars, that the only legitimate reply to a company doing something whose effects on society one does not approve of, as a citizen, is to refrain from buying their products. This makes as much sense as the idea that if one disapproves of the potentially catastrophic effect of the mass adoption of financial derivatives in the finance sector, one should restrict one's action to not buying them. The EFF is pointing out that proprietary content formats on the Net are a Bad Thing for everyone who wants to see information in non-proprietary formats, on grounds of intellectual freedom. People who feel this, like me, often feel it because of hard experience of orphaned data. There are cases in which nationally important content has simply vanished in electronic form, because of proprietary coding. Now, we may not have been the authors or copyright owners of it. But we have an interest in there being continued access to our cultural heritage, as readers and customers, yes, and as citizens. The EFF would have the same problem with revWeb if it became adopted in the same way that Flash has been, for the same reasons. Unless the approach of the company were to change. Its then going on to point our that Apple achieves the same end, restriction of availability of content and of what people can do with their platforms, by different and additional means. So the bottom line of the article is: Adobe and Apple are two versions of closed and proprietary, and for one to criticize the other for being proprietary is rather hilarious, and both are bad for society. The lesson for us however should be that Rev meets two of Jobs' criteria for being linked to the Anti-Party clique: One, its proprietary and on the net. Two, its cross platform. So watch out: the next stop is a knock on the door at 3am and a long holiday in sunny Siberia. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2107283.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sat May 1 03:34:04 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 15:34:04 +0800 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <1272698118008-2107283.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BD9B481.2040501@gmail.com> <731E4637-F102-48F8-9599-67EE840DD7AA@numericable.com> <4BD9CD97.7050104@gmail.com> <1272652562182-2077346.post@n4.nabble.com> <1272698118008-2107283.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I guess someone else agrees with Apple: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/173519,microsoft-announces-ie9-will-not-support-flash.aspx What a hoot :-)) From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 1 03:43:23 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 10:43:23 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BD9B481.2040501@gmail.com> <731E4637-F102-48F8-9599-67EE840DD7AA@numericable.com> <4BD9CD97.7050104@gmail.com> <1272652562182-2077346.post@n4.nabble.com> <1272698118008-2107283.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BDBDB9B.2030700@gmail.com> On 01/05/2010 10:34, Kay C Lan wrote: > I guess someone else agrees with Apple: > > http://www.itnews.com.au/News/173519,microsoft-announces-ie9-will-not-support-flash.aspx > > What a hoot :-)) Is that person's name really "Hachamovitch"? Hack - em - over - itch. Must be the lack of sleep last night . . . :) From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sat May 1 03:55:46 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 00:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BD9B481.2040501@gmail.com> <731E4637-F102-48F8-9599-67EE840DD7AA@numericable.com> <4BD9CD97.7050104@gmail.com> <1272652562182-2077346.post@n4.nabble.com> <1272698118008-2107283.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1272700546362-2111625.post@n4.nabble.com> I don't like or approve of Flash either! But it is hilarious to see the people who are opposing it and why. To an outside observer it seems like MS, Adobe, Apple are all about as alike as Coke and Pepsi on this one. Maybe Apple is a bit worse but there's not much in it. HTML5 is not open. Its a different flavor of proprietary, by the way. H264 is proprietary. Its like Italy and Portugal should suddenly express pious horror about the fact that Greece is running large deficits. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2111625.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sat May 1 03:57:07 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 15:57:07 +0800 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BDBDB9B.2030700@gmail.com> References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BD9B481.2040501@gmail.com> <731E4637-F102-48F8-9599-67EE840DD7AA@numericable.com> <4BD9CD97.7050104@gmail.com> <1272652562182-2077346.post@n4.nabble.com> <1272698118008-2107283.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BDBDB9B.2030700@gmail.com> Message-ID: If this were April 1st I'd certainly think you were on to something, but a Google search of 'Dean Hachamovitch' reveals he really is who they say he is. Bye Bye Flash... Almost seems like a Tech Lynching. Now let me guess, there'll be a whole bunch of rumours surrounding this event, followed by legal action, accusations, investigations; but inevitably a slow an painful death. On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Richmond Mathewson < richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: > On 01/05/2010 10:34, Kay C Lan wrote: > >> I guess someone else agrees with Apple: >> >> >> http://www.itnews.com.au/News/173519,microsoft-announces-ie9-will-not-support-flash.aspx >> >> What a hoot :-)) >> > > Is that person's name really "Hachamovitch"? > > Hack - em - over - itch. > > Must be the lack of sleep last night . . . :) > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From toolbook at kestner.de Sat May 1 04:32:36 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:32:36 +0200 Subject: AW: how to zip a bundle, keeping all "locked attributes" In-Reply-To: <000601cae895$beb1e0a0$3c15a1e0$@de> References: <005501cae85f$e2f4ed80$a8dec880$@de> <000601cae895$beb1e0a0$3c15a1e0$@de> Message-ID: <003e01cae908$db1001f0$913005d0$@de> Hello, I am missing some Mac know-how. I tried different zip tools and with all my locked file (inside a bundle) is unlocked after having the bundle zipped and unzipped. So obviously it is not a matter of ditto, but of the system. So Marks advice to set the locked of the file by program after having it unzipped, seems to be the only solution. Or am I missing something obvious? Thanks for any advice Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB > Gesendet: Freitag, 30. April 2010 20:49 > An: 'How to use Revolution' > Betreff: how to zip a bundle, keeping all "locked attributes", was: > need ditto zipping help > > Hello, > > I think I posted the wrong question to understand the problem. > Is it a normal behavior on Mac, when zipping and unzipping a bundle > that a > containing file loses its "locked attribute"? > Or does it depend on the zip tool or its parameters? Other way around, > if it > is a standard behavior for ditto and there is no other parameter to > keep the > status, is there a recommended zip tool, where all files keep their > locked/unlocked attribute? > Thanks for any advice > Tiemo > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB > > Gesendet: Freitag, 30. April 2010 14:23 > > An: 'How to use Revolution' > > Betreff: need ditto zipping help > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > still not very familiar with the Mac and its specialities I need some > > help > > with zipping with ditto. > > > > I have a locked file in my App bundle. After zipping and unzipping > the > > whole > > bundle (in an update process) the locked file isn't locked anymore. > > > > The ditto parameters I am using for zipping are: > > > > Ditto -c -k --sequesterRsrc > > > > Can anybody shed some light on this, how I can preserve the locked > file > > being locked? > > > > Thanks for any hints > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sakari at neurocard.fi Sat May 1 05:45:16 2010 From: sakari at neurocard.fi (Sakari Ruoho) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 12:45:16 +0300 Subject: Is rev Oracle support just a joke? In-Reply-To: <4AE87182.8010402@neurocard.fi> References: <910421.44563.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4AE7AAD5.7020202@neurocard.fi> <4AE87182.8010402@neurocard.fi> Message-ID: <4BDBF82C.70301@neurocard.fi> I still see that the RunRev website advertises that it works with Oracle. Last time I checked this was far from the thruth. Is this still the case? Best Regards, Sakari Ruoho From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 1 05:52:46 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 12:52:46 +0300 Subject: Is rev Oracle support just a joke? In-Reply-To: <4BDBF82C.70301@neurocard.fi> References: <910421.44563.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4AE7AAD5.7020202@neurocard.fi> <4AE87182.8010402@neurocard.fi> <4BDBF82C.70301@neurocard.fi> Message-ID: <4BDBF9EE.3020107@gmail.com> On 01/05/2010 12:45, Sakari Ruoho wrote: > I still see that the RunRev website advertises that it works with > Oracle. Last time I checked this was far from the thruth. Is this > still the case? > The documentation says that one can run RunRev on SPARC, HP-UX, SCO Open DeskTop, Silicon Graphics IRIX and Solaris for x86 architecture: http://docs.runrev.com/Function/platform (accessed today) so I wouldn't put too much faith in the documentation. From sakari at neurocard.fi Sat May 1 06:04:03 2010 From: sakari at neurocard.fi (Sakari Ruoho) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 13:04:03 +0300 Subject: Is rev Oracle support just a joke? In-Reply-To: <4BDBF9EE.3020107@gmail.com> References: <910421.44563.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4AE7AAD5.7020202@neurocard.fi> <4AE87182.8010402@neurocard.fi> <4BDBF82C.70301@neurocard.fi> <4BDBF9EE.3020107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BDBFC93.9040704@neurocard.fi> Ok :D Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 01/05/2010 12:45, Sakari Ruoho wrote: >> I still see that the RunRev website advertises that it works with >> Oracle. Last time I checked this was far from the thruth. Is this >> still the case? >> > The documentation says that one can run RunRev on SPARC, HP-UX, SCO > Open DeskTop, Silicon Graphics IRIX > and Solaris for x86 architecture: > > http://docs.runrev.com/Function/platform (accessed today) > > so I wouldn't put too much faith in the documentation. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Sat May 1 08:10:49 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 08:10:49 -0400 Subject: [OT] MicroSheep follow a "bad" Apple In-Reply-To: <4BDBC821.4050707@gmail.com> References: <4BDBC821.4050707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7C7F8FF3-DCE4-49FC-973B-B5F5D91AFB7A@verizon.net> On May 1, 2010, at 2:20 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Adobe must be sweating: > > http://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/30/microsoft-looks-to-a-future-of-h-264-based-html5-for-web-video-content/ Not really. By saying that only H.264 is support, they mean that they are not going to directly support other HTML5 video formats, such as Ogg Vorbis ones. Flash video, On2VP6, was never due to be supported. You will still be able to play both On2VP6 and H.264 by using Flash, as you can now. From coiin at verizon.net Sat May 1 08:16:02 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 08:16:02 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BD9B481.2040501@gmail.com> <731E4637-F102-48F8-9599-67EE840DD7AA@numericable.com> <4BD9CD97.7050104@gmail.com> <1272652562182-2077346.post@n4.nabble.com> <1272698118008-2107283.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4C87BB0E-8186-4F1A-A9F9-5CF4CC46591F@verizon.net> On May 1, 2010, at 3:34 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > I guess someone else agrees with Apple: > > http://www.itnews.com.au/News/173519,microsoft-announces-ie9-will-not-support-flash.aspx > > What a hoot :-)) That article has been quoted all over the place, and fortunately most of the debate has been about what bad reporting it is, and not about IE9's support of Flash. The IE9 support mentioned in the original blog (http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/04/29/html5-video.aspx) is only talking about video formats, and not about Flash in general. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 1 08:22:55 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 15:22:55 +0300 Subject: [OT] MicroSheep follow a "bad" Apple In-Reply-To: <7C7F8FF3-DCE4-49FC-973B-B5F5D91AFB7A@verizon.net> References: <4BDBC821.4050707@gmail.com> <7C7F8FF3-DCE4-49FC-973B-B5F5D91AFB7A@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4BDC1D1F.8060100@gmail.com> On 01/05/2010 15:10, Colin Holgate wrote: > On May 1, 2010, at 2:20 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> Adobe must be sweating: >> >> http://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/30/microsoft-looks-to-a-future-of-h-264-based-html5-for-web-video-content/ > > Not really. By saying that only H.264 is support, they mean that they are not going to directly support other HTML5 video formats, such as Ogg Vorbis ones. Flash video, On2VP6, was never due to be supported. You will still be able to play both On2VP6 and H.264 by using Flash, as you can now. > > Expectng Microsoft to support something open source like Ogg Vorbis is expecting too much. From toolbook at kestner.de Sat May 1 08:50:26 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 14:50:26 +0200 Subject: How to translate a rev path to an absolut unix path? Message-ID: <005101cae92c$dfc7b340$9f5719c0$@de> Hello, since I don't find a way how to preserve the lock status of a file, when zipping, I am now trying to follow Marks plan B, but am shipwrecking without Mac experience. I have the rev path of my file like: "/foo/myfile" in myFile. I have an oneliner applescript "set the locked of myFile to true". I stored the applescript in a field and wanted to replace a placeholder for the filename like "" in the applescript by the revfile path myFile. Now I replaced slash with colon, so that I get :foo:myFile. But applescript doesn't likes it. Probably because applescript needs an absolute path like Macintosh HD:foo:myFile. How do I achive that, without knowing the name of the users HD? Add: What user rights does a user needs to change the locked attribute by applescript? Or what happens, if a user, without full rights, runs my prog with this applescript? Thanks for any help Tiemo From th.douez at gmail.com Sat May 1 09:46:03 2010 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry D.) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 15:46:03 +0200 Subject: How to translate a rev path to an absolut unix path? In-Reply-To: <005101cae92c$dfc7b340$9f5719c0$@de> References: <005101cae92c$dfc7b340$9f5719c0$@de> Message-ID: <9AA70D51-88EC-4453-98F7-DEACB2F8D612@sunnyrevcode.com> Le 1 mai 2010 ? 14:50, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit : > Hello, > > since I don't find a way how to preserve the lock status of a file, Hi Tiemo, This command did work for me on Snow Leopard : ditto -v -rsrcFork /source /destination I could keep all hidden and immutable flags ! HTH Regards, Thierry From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sat May 1 09:46:51 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 15:46:51 +0200 Subject: How to translate a rev path to an absolut unix path? In-Reply-To: <005101cae92c$dfc7b340$9f5719c0$@de> References: <005101cae92c$dfc7b340$9f5719c0$@de> Message-ID: 2010/5/1 Tiemo Hollmann TB : > Hello, > > > > since I don't find a way how to preserve the lock status of a file, when > zipping, I am now trying to follow Marks plan B, but am shipwrecking without > Mac experience. > > I have the rev path of my file like: "/foo/myfile" in myFile. I have an > oneliner applescript "set the locked of myFile to true". I stored the > applescript in a field and wanted to replace a placeholder for the filename > like "" in the applescript by the revfile path myFile. Now I > replaced slash with colon, so that I get ?:foo:myFile. > > But applescript doesn't likes it. Probably because applescript needs an > absolute path like Macintosh HD:foo:myFile. How do I achive that, without > knowing the name of the users HD? > > > > Add: What user rights does a user needs to change the locked attribute by > applescript? Or what happens, if a user, without full rights, runs my prog > with this applescript? > > > > Thanks for any help Hi Tiemo, Have you tried to use the POSIX path in applescript? POSIX path of file "Macintosh HD:foo:myFile" HTH, Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sat May 1 09:50:46 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 15:50:46 +0200 Subject: [Data Grid] Duplicate large amount of rows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/5/1 Trevor DeVore : > On Apr 30, 2010, at 2:04 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: > >> However the Data Grid command "AddData" does more than a simple >> creation of a new index in an array. This is where I'm suspicious with >> my code. > > AddData has to update any caches that are created when setting the dgData. > If you are updating the array and assigning the dgData then you are good to > go (assuming the array is created properly). Great, thanks Trevor! Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 1 09:54:20 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 16:54:20 +0300 Subject: iPhone? Message-ID: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> Oddly enough I see that RunRev are still marketing their revMobile (which I understand to work with Windows mobile as well as the iPhone OS): "We will be introducing a brand new product, revMobile, which will initially support Maemo, Windows Mobile, the iPhone and iPad." However, as far as I can understand, while revMobile supports iPhone and iPad; Apple doesn't support revMobile on these platforms. "you'll be able to use revTalk rather than Objective-C" try telling that to Steve Jobs. The question I have is not about revMobile's capabilities as such, but why it is still being touted for iPhone and iPad after everything that wasn't built "Steve's way" was excluded from the App store. From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 1 10:02:19 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:02:19 +0200 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> References: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> Dear Richmond, I think it is possible to create application for iPad without putting it into the App Store. For my own it is enough... My application (my project are not to be sold) But how many people (here) make application 1. for themselves 2. directly for a company (App store > not necessary...) 3. free (gratuit !) ? That is the question Bon souvenir de Paris Ren? Le 1 mai 2010 ? 15:54, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > Oddly enough I see that RunRev are still marketing their > revMobile (which I understand to work with Windows mobile > as well as the iPhone OS): > > "We will be introducing a brand new product, revMobile, > which will initially support Maemo, Windows Mobile, > the iPhone and iPad." > > However, as far as I can understand, while revMobile > supports iPhone and iPad; Apple doesn't support > revMobile on these platforms. > > "you'll be able to use revTalk rather than Objective-C" > > try telling that to Steve Jobs. > > The question I have is not about revMobile's capabilities > as such, but why it is still being touted for iPhone and > iPad after everything that wasn't built "Steve's way" > was excluded from the App store. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 1 10:06:44 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:06:44 +0200 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> References: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> Message-ID: In 1987 this was the primary purpose of HyperCard (oh Bill [Atkinson] where are you !?) Le 1 mai 2010 ? 16:02, Ren? Micout a ?crit : > Dear Richmond, > I think it is possible to create application for iPad without putting it into the App Store. > For my own it is enough... My application (my project are not to be sold) > But how many people (here) make application > 1. for themselves > 2. directly for a company (App store > not necessary...) > 3. free (gratuit !) > ? > That is the question > Bon souvenir de Paris > Ren? > > > Le 1 mai 2010 ? 15:54, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > >> Oddly enough I see that RunRev are still marketing their >> revMobile (which I understand to work with Windows mobile >> as well as the iPhone OS): >> >> "We will be introducing a brand new product, revMobile, >> which will initially support Maemo, Windows Mobile, >> the iPhone and iPad." >> >> However, as far as I can understand, while revMobile >> supports iPhone and iPad; Apple doesn't support >> revMobile on these platforms. >> >> "you'll be able to use revTalk rather than Objective-C" >> >> try telling that to Steve Jobs. >> >> The question I have is not about revMobile's capabilities >> as such, but why it is still being touted for iPhone and >> iPad after everything that wasn't built "Steve's way" >> was excluded from the App store. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Sat May 1 10:24:37 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 10:24:37 -0400 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> References: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> Message-ID: <0D74AF59-3DDC-4FE8-9868-4CC4F72FD56F@verizon.net> On May 1, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > I think it is possible to create application for iPad without putting it into the App Store. While that is true, it would also break the SDK agreement. The agreement doesn't say that you can only use certain languages for Store apps, it says you can only use certain languages. Same with the interpreter, you can't make things with an interpretive layer. No mention of whether it's intended for the App Store or not. Now, it is unlikely that Apple would track you down, but if you ever mentioned the application online, Apple could revoke your iPhone developer status. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat May 1 10:29:52 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:29:52 +0200 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> Message-ID: <59CD2BE9-75A9-493F-ABB4-C2F7DAB4E011@economy-x-talk.com> Bill is making photographs now. He also published an iPhone application called PhotoCard :-) http://www.billatkinson.com/aboutPhotoCard.html -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at http://www.twistaword.net Op 1 mei 2010, om 16:06 heeft Ren? Micout het volgende geschreven: > In 1987 this was the primary purpose of HyperCard (oh Bill > [Atkinson] where are you !?) > From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 1 10:31:47 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:31:47 +0200 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: <0D74AF59-3DDC-4FE8-9868-4CC4F72FD56F@verizon.net> References: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> <0D74AF59-3DDC-4FE8-9868-4CC4F72FD56F@verizon.net> Message-ID: I think it is not legal (clause leonine)... In France I think this clause is not possible. I think it is a juridic debat... Le 1 mai 2010 ? 16:24, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > On May 1, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> I think it is possible to create application for iPad without putting it into the App Store. > > > While that is true, it would also break the SDK agreement. The agreement doesn't say that you can only use certain languages for Store apps, it says you can only use certain languages. Same with the interpreter, you can't make things with an interpretive layer. No mention of whether it's intended for the App Store or not. > > Now, it is unlikely that Apple would track you down, but if you ever mentioned the application online, Apple could revoke your iPhone developer status. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Sat May 1 10:36:06 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 10:36:06 -0400 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> <0D74AF59-3DDC-4FE8-9868-4CC4F72FD56F@verizon.net> Message-ID: On May 1, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > I think it is not legal (clause leonine)... In France I think this clause is not possible. > I think it is a juridic debat... Perhaps Europe could sue Apple like they sued Microsoft! From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 1 10:34:52 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:34:52 +0200 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: <59CD2BE9-75A9-493F-ABB4-C2F7DAB4E011@economy-x-talk.com> References: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> <59CD2BE9-75A9-493F-ABB4-C2F7DAB4E011@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Yes, I know, but in French "O? es-tu ... ?" is an expression to invoque somebody to remind the present greatness of the past... Le 1 mai 2010 ? 16:29, Mark Schonewille a ?crit : > Bill is making photographs now. He also published an iPhone application called PhotoCard :-) > http://www.billatkinson.com/aboutPhotoCard.html > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at http://www.twistaword.net > > Op 1 mei 2010, om 16:06 heeft Ren? Micout het volgende geschreven: > >> In 1987 this was the primary purpose of HyperCard (oh Bill [Atkinson] where are you !?) >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 1 10:40:50 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:40:50 +0200 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> <0D74AF59-3DDC-4FE8-9868-4CC4F72FD56F@verizon.net> Message-ID: If I develop MY application for MY iPad and if I dont put it into the App Store, Apple cannot do anything against me The only possibility for Apple to prohibit other language that C, C++ and Objective C is when you submit an application for App Store approbation... How can they do otherwise ? There is enough work with the App Store application, then the others... Le 1 mai 2010 ? 16:36, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > On May 1, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> I think it is not legal (clause leonine)... In France I think this clause is not possible. >> I think it is a juridic debat... > > > Perhaps Europe could sue Apple like they sued Microsoft! > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 1 10:44:44 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:44:44 +0200 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> <0D74AF59-3DDC-4FE8-9868-4CC4F72FD56F@verizon.net> Message-ID: And if I do that and Apple make me a procedure. In France (it is not USA) the court, if I am wrong, condamn me, perhaps, ONE euro (symbolistic) in damages... Le 1 mai 2010 ? 16:40, Ren? Micout a ?crit : > If I develop MY application for MY iPad and if I dont put it into the App Store, Apple cannot do anything against me > The only possibility for Apple to prohibit other language that C, C++ and Objective C is when you submit an application for App Store approbation... > How can they do otherwise ? > There is enough work with the App Store application, then the others... > > Le 1 mai 2010 ? 16:36, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > >> On May 1, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: >> >>> I think it is not legal (clause leonine)... In France I think this clause is not possible. >>> I think it is a juridic debat... >> >> >> Perhaps Europe could sue Apple like they sued Microsoft! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Sat May 1 10:48:20 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 10:48:20 -0400 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> <0D74AF59-3DDC-4FE8-9868-4CC4F72FD56F@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9CA09D1F-F754-48EE-9D41-C8D6C4C833F2@verizon.net> On May 1, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > The only possibility for Apple to prohibit other language that C, C++ and Objective C is when you submit an application for App Store approbation... > How can they do otherwise ? They can change the iPhone OS to not run apps that were made from other languages, or make iTunes automatically delete those apps when you connect the phone. My guess is that they will allow some tools, like Rev, to work, even in the store, and that it will all continue to just be a vendetta against Flash. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 1 10:54:24 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 17:54:24 +0300 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> <0D74AF59-3DDC-4FE8-9868-4CC4F72FD56F@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4BDC40A0.2060306@gmail.com> On 01/05/2010 17:36, Colin Holgate wrote: > On May 1, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> I think it is not legal (clause leonine)... In France I think this clause is not possible. >> I think it is a juridic debat... > > Perhaps Europe could sue Apple like they sued Microsoft! > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sovereign_State_of_ITT From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 1 10:58:06 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 17:58:06 +0300 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: <9CA09D1F-F754-48EE-9D41-C8D6C4C833F2@verizon.net> References: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> <0D74AF59-3DDC-4FE8-9868-4CC4F72FD56F@verizon.net> <9CA09D1F-F754-48EE-9D41-C8D6C4C833F2@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4BDC417E.7060806@gmail.com> On 01/05/2010 17:48, Colin Holgate wrote: > On May 1, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> The only possibility for Apple to prohibit other language that C, C++ and Objective C is when you submit an application for App Store approbation... >> How can they do otherwise ? > They can change the iPhone OS to not run apps that were made from other languages, or make iTunes automatically delete those apps when you connect the phone. > > My guess is that they will allow some tools, like Rev, to work, even in the store, and that it will all continue to just be a vendetta against Flash. Let's hope so; although having made a blanket statement I don't quite see how Apple will get out of part of it without having to rescind all of it. The whole thing looks as crude as gang warfare between Apple and Adobe; but, as in all cases of gang warfare, others get injured by flying glass and so on. From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 1 11:00:56 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:00:56 +0200 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: <4BDC40A0.2060306@gmail.com> References: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> <0D74AF59-3DDC-4FE8-9868-4CC4F72FD56F@verizon.net> <4BDC40A0.2060306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <72F4C319-ED22-4909-889A-888F7C9A3727@numericable.com> In some areas (mainly trade), it is true that multinationals are sometimes more powerful than states, but in other cases (and "freedom" is part of it) states and their legislation is far more powerful than the companies . Le 1 mai 2010 ? 16:54, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > On 01/05/2010 17:36, Colin Holgate wrote: >> On May 1, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: >> >>> I think it is not legal (clause leonine)... In France I think this clause is not possible. >>> I think it is a juridic debat... >> >> Perhaps Europe could sue Apple like they sued Microsoft! >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sovereign_State_of_ITT > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 1 11:03:01 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:03:01 +0200 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: <4BDC417E.7060806@gmail.com> References: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> <0D74AF59-3DDC-4FE8-9868-4CC4F72FD56F@verizon.net> <9CA09D1F-F754-48EE-9D41-C8D6C4C833F2@verizon.net> <4BDC417E.7060806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9DBABEB2-C56E-4912-A82F-0ED041DCD675@numericable.com> For now, I dont see the color of an iPad... :-) or :-( at the end of this month ?) Le 1 mai 2010 ? 16:58, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > On 01/05/2010 17:48, Colin Holgate wrote: >> On May 1, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: >> >>> The only possibility for Apple to prohibit other language that C, C++ and Objective C is when you submit an application for App Store approbation... >>> How can they do otherwise ? >> They can change the iPhone OS to not run apps that were made from other languages, or make iTunes automatically delete those apps when you connect the phone. >> >> My guess is that they will allow some tools, like Rev, to work, even in the store, and that it will all continue to just be a vendetta against Flash. > > Let's hope so; although having made a blanket statement I don't quite see > how Apple will get out of part of it without having to rescind all of it. > > The whole thing looks as crude as gang warfare between Apple and Adobe; > but, as in all cases of gang warfare, others get injured by flying glass and so > on. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sat May 1 11:28:55 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 08:28:55 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net><4BD9B481.2040501@gmail.com><731E4637-F102-48F8-9599-67EE840DD7AA@numericable.com><4BD9CD97.7050104@gmail.com><1272652562182-2077346.post@n4.nabble.com><1272698118008-2107283.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <980A6F9FDC6042A78DCEB3C04DB7EE09@GATEWAY> > I guess someone else agrees with Apple: > > http://www.itnews.com.au/News/173519,microsoft-announces-ie9-w > ill-not-support-flash.aspx I could be wrong, but I believe several sites are quoting this link: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/04/29/html5-video.aspx I don't think he is saying Flash won't work in IE 9, only that H.264 is the only native video format that will run. Did IE 9 drop the IE 8 plugin architecture? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From devin_asay at byu.edu Sat May 1 11:29:29 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 09:29:29 -0600 Subject: Is rev Oracle support just a joke? In-Reply-To: <4BDBF82C.70301@neurocard.fi> References: <910421.44563.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4AE7AAD5.7020202@neurocard.fi> <4AE87182.8010402@neurocard.fi> <4BDBF82C.70301@neurocard.fi> Message-ID: On May 1, 2010, at 3:45 AM, Sakari Ruoho wrote: > I still see that the RunRev website advertises that it works with > Oracle. Last time I checked this was far from the thruth. Is this still > the case? What version of Rev do you have? Integrated support for Oracle database connectivity is only available in Rev Enterprise. See: http://www.runrev.com/products/the-rev-platform/editions-comparison/ Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sat May 1 11:40:15 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 08:40:15 -0700 Subject: [OT] MicroSheep follow a "bad" Apple In-Reply-To: <7C7F8FF3-DCE4-49FC-973B-B5F5D91AFB7A@verizon.net> References: <4BDBC821.4050707@gmail.com> <7C7F8FF3-DCE4-49FC-973B-B5F5D91AFB7A@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5F2AEED1D23D4346B48B92C6E2224F24@GATEWAY> > http://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/30/microsoft-looks-to-a-future-of-h-2 > > 64-based-html5-for-web-video-content/ > > > Not really. By saying that only H.264 is support, they mean > that they are not going to directly support other HTML5 video > formats, such as Ogg Vorbis ones. Flash video, On2VP6, was > never due to be supported. You will still be able to play > both On2VP6 and H.264 by using Flash, as you can now. Im glad to see someone else went back to read the source, Colin :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From toolbook at kestner.de Sat May 1 11:47:00 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:47:00 +0200 Subject: AW: How to translate a rev path to an absolut unix path? In-Reply-To: <9AA70D51-88EC-4453-98F7-DEACB2F8D612@sunnyrevcode.com> References: <005101cae92c$dfc7b340$9f5719c0$@de> <9AA70D51-88EC-4453-98F7-DEACB2F8D612@sunnyrevcode.com> Message-ID: <005c01cae945$8a311c50$9e9354f0$@de> Bon soir Thierry, your proposal seems to be half the way. Doing it your way, ditto creates a folder as the output, containing the app and the file within the app is still locked. That looks good, beside the output is a normal folder and isn't a zip file anymore. Using the parameter Ditto -c - k -rsrcFork the output is a zip file, but the locked flag of my file within the app is gone. It seems I don't understand ditto and it's handling of files, folders and bundles. Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Thierry D. > Gesendet: Samstag, 1. Mai 2010 15:46 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: How to translate a rev path to an absolut unix path? > > > Le 1 mai 2010 ? 14:50, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit : > > > Hello, > > > > since I don't find a way how to preserve the lock status of a file, > > Hi Tiemo, > > This command did work for me on Snow Leopard : > > ditto -v -rsrcFork /source /destination > > I could keep all hidden and immutable flags ! > > HTH > > Regards, > Thierry > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 1 12:05:41 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 19:05:41 +0300 Subject: [OT] MicroSheep follow a "bad" Apple In-Reply-To: <5F2AEED1D23D4346B48B92C6E2224F24@GATEWAY> References: <4BDBC821.4050707@gmail.com> <7C7F8FF3-DCE4-49FC-973B-B5F5D91AFB7A@verizon.net> <5F2AEED1D23D4346B48B92C6E2224F24@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <4BDC5155.1070906@gmail.com> If Messrs Jobs and Gates (et al) really cared about open standards for the internet and so on, they would not be restricting Flash or code-bases; quite the opposite; they would be falling over each other to implement support for absolutely everything - whether proprietary (such as Flash) or open (such as Ogg Vorbis). While buying a computer or an operating system is a fairly free choice, there is only one internet. However, knowing that Apple and Microsoft are what they are I shall make sure that my website continues to be fairly basic (no moving parts to start with) so that it is in with a chance of being seen by the maximum number of people from their machine, OS and browser of choice. It seem that by investing in expensive proprietary software to spice up our websites with "wiggly bits" that in the long run we are only shooting ourselves in the foot. My recipe is cheap, effective and cheerful: GIMP + KompoZer http://www.gimp.org/ http://www.kompozer.net/ From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sat May 1 12:24:27 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:24:27 +0100 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <1272700546362-2111625.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BD9B481.2040501@gmail.com> <731E4637-F102-48F8-9599-67EE840DD7AA@numericable.com> <4BD9CD97.7050104@gmail.com> <1272652562182-2077346.post@n4.nabble.com> <1272698118008-2107283.post@n4.nabble.com> <1272700546362-2111625.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 1 May 2010, at 08:55, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > HTML5 is not open. Its a different flavor of proprietary, by the > way. H264 > is proprietary. H264 is proprietary, but h264 is NOT part of HTML5. HTML5 just specifies a video tag without specifying the type of video. HTML5 is no more proprietary than previous versions of HTML. Ian From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 1 12:32:04 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 19:32:04 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BD9B481.2040501@gmail.com> <731E4637-F102-48F8-9599-67EE840DD7AA@numericable.com> <4BD9CD97.7050104@gmail.com> <1272652562182-2077346.post@n4.nabble.com> <1272698118008-2107283.post@n4.nabble.com> <1272700546362-2111625.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BDC5784.6020906@gmail.com> On 01/05/2010 19:24, Ian Wood wrote: > > On 1 May 2010, at 08:55, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > >> HTML5 is not open. Its a different flavor of proprietary, by the >> way. H264 >> is proprietary. > > H264 is proprietary, but h264 is NOT part of HTML5. HTML5 just > specifies a video tag without specifying the type of video. > > HTML5 is no more proprietary than previous versions of HTML. > Maybe I'm being a bit stupid, but it does seem as if the word 'open' as used in phrases such as 'open source' and 'open standards' is a bit hard to pin down; what is one person's open-ness seems to be a bit closed to another person and vice-versa. Also; for the sake of argument: I offered to Ubuntu, a few years back, Linux builds of a couple of Phonetics programs I had cobbled together (and at that time my level of skill was such that they were literally 'cobbled') with RunRev 2.0.1. Ubuntu refused them on the basis that I had made them using non-open source code (which annoyed me). Now how far back does one push things? Is there such a thing as really 'open' code? From pete at mollysrevenge.com Sat May 1 13:09:33 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:09:33 -0700 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: <20100501170005.4B4CD2882AF@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100501170005.4B4CD2882AF@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Here's a thought for Rev - put revMobile on Android. Pete Haworth From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 1 13:11:36 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 19:11:36 +0200 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: <20100501170005.4B4CD2882AF@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: But what about iPad ? Le 1 mai 2010 ? 19:09, Peter Haworth a ?crit : > Here's a thought for Rev - put revMobile on Android. > > Pete Haworth > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat May 1 13:12:42 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 10:12:42 -0700 Subject: iPhone? Message-ID: <4BDC610A.3010802@fourthworld.com> Colin Holgate wrote: > On May 1, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> I think it is possible to create application for iPad without >> putting it into the App Store. > > While that is true, it would also break the SDK agreement. The > agreement doesn't say that you can only use certain languages > for Store apps, it says you can only use certain languages. Same > with the interpreter, you can't make things with an interpretive > layer. No mention of whether it's intended for the App Store or not. > > Now, it is unlikely that Apple would track you down, but if you ever > mentioned the application online, Apple could revoke your iPhone > developer status. Actually, according to John Sullivan of the EFF in his Ars Technica article, that would be a criminal act, implying that it if convicted one could face fines and jail time: Jobs has hit the nail on the head when describing the problems with Adobe, but not until after smashing his own thumb. Every criticism he makes of Adobe's proprietary approach applies equally to Apple, and every benefit attributed to the App Store can be had without it being a mandatory proprietary arrangement. Apple can offer quality control and editorial selection over available free software, and encourage users to exclusively?but voluntarily?use their store. Instead, Apple chooses to enforce legal restrictions, the transgression of which is punishable by criminal law, on users who want to make changes to their own computers, like installing free, non-Apple, software. Who wants to be the next Gizmodo? Go ahead, choose your own tools. But if you don't get them from the company store they'll send the Pinkertons around.... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 1 13:14:18 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 20:14:18 +0300 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: <20100501170005.4B4CD2882AF@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4BDC616A.1030408@gmail.com> On 01/05/2010 20:09, Peter Haworth wrote: > Here's a thought for Rev - put revMobile on Android. > > Pete Haworth > Can we? From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 1 13:18:35 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 20:18:35 +0300 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: <4BDC610A.3010802@fourthworld.com> References: <4BDC610A.3010802@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4BDC626B.2040406@gmail.com> On 01/05/2010 20:12, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Colin Holgate wrote: > > On May 1, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > > > >> I think it is possible to create application for iPad without > >> putting it into the App Store. > > > > While that is true, it would also break the SDK agreement. The > > agreement doesn't say that you can only use certain languages > > for Store apps, it says you can only use certain languages. Same > > with the interpreter, you can't make things with an interpretive > > layer. No mention of whether it's intended for the App Store or not. > > > > Now, it is unlikely that Apple would track you down, but if you ever > > mentioned the application online, Apple could revoke your iPhone > > developer status. > > Actually, according to John Sullivan of the EFF in his Ars Technica > article, that would be a criminal act, implying that it if convicted > one could face fines and jail time: > > Jobs has hit the nail on the head when describing the > problems with Adobe, but not until after smashing his > own thumb. Every criticism he makes of Adobe's > proprietary approach applies equally to Apple, and > every benefit attributed to the App Store can be had > without it being a mandatory proprietary arrangement. > Apple can offer quality control and editorial selection > over available free software, and encourage users to > exclusively?but voluntarily?use their store. Instead, > Apple chooses to enforce legal restrictions, the > transgression of which is punishable by criminal law, > on users who want to make changes to their own computers, > like installing free, non-Apple, software. > > > > > > Who wants to be the next Gizmodo? > > Go ahead, choose your own tools. But if you don't get them from the > company store they'll send the Pinkertons around.... > Bully-boys Rule, OK! This just confirms my feelings that the ONLY reason I won't abandon Mac as my 'development platform of choice' when my current Macs go 'bang' (i.e. go 100% Linux) is because RunRev for Linux still cannot do what the Mac and Windows versions can. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 1 14:19:56 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 11:19:56 -0700 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: <59CD2BE9-75A9-493F-ABB4-C2F7DAB4E011@economy-x-talk.com> References: <4BDC328C.6000003@gmail.com> <2DB66A8F-7EBD-4304-A08F-3F65A12008D2@numericable.com> <59CD2BE9-75A9-493F-ABB4-C2F7DAB4E011@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <41497626390.20100501111956@ahsoftware.net> Mark- Saturday, May 1, 2010, 7:29:52 AM, you wrote: > Bill is making photographs now. He also published an iPhone > application called PhotoCard :-) > http://www.billatkinson.com/aboutPhotoCard.html Bill's also *very* involved with Numenta: http://www.numenta.com/ but when I talked with him a couple of years ago he wasn't aware of rev. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 1 14:44:24 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 11:44:24 -0700 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: References: <20100428153044.6EBB52884AD@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <1741499094265.20100501114424@ahsoftware.net> Graham- Friday, April 30, 2010, 10:34:00 PM, you wrote: > In the first rev lesson on externals at > http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/7116-How-to-safely-attach-an-external-to-your-stack, > after saving the stack this statement is issued: > send "revert" to me in 5 ticks -- the equivalent of quit then restart. > When I use this under rev 4.0.0 on Mac OS X 10.6.3, it causes > the card to go into strobe mode. Any > explanations?_______________________________________________ Try looking in the externals instead of the externalPackages. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 1 15:23:36 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 12:23:36 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100501192337.JXQN18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> don't you guys get it? Adobe is the biggest creep in techdom. Do you remember how they screwed apple over post script? They are the patent hogs who have stymied computational evolution for 30 years. The only company worse then them was micromedia and adobe acquired flash by buying them outright. Apple and microsoft aren't against flash! They are pressuring adobe to lighten up on the use agreements. Maybe something so core as graphics description shouldn't be proprietary? From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sat May 1 15:31:41 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 12:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ANN] Control tRev's Browser default action via Magic Menus In-Reply-To: References: <9B5EDECD-01BC-427C-BA27-D646FC245A25@me.com> Message-ID: <1272742301667-2122326.post@n4.nabble.com> I'd love to use it. However, Jerry does not make a version for Linux, and has no intention of doing so. Meanwhile, over on Planet Python, there are lots of fabulous editors that don't crash on cut and paste. Maybe Jerry's is better than any of them, probably is. But they exist for my OS, his does not, and never will. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Control-tRev-s-Browser-default-action-via-Magic-Menus-tp2077181p2122326.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sakari at neurocard.fi Sat May 1 15:34:42 2010 From: sakari at neurocard.fi (Sakari Ruoho) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 22:34:42 +0300 Subject: Is rev Oracle support just a joke? In-Reply-To: References: <910421.44563.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4AE7AAD5.7020202@neurocard.fi> <4AE87182.8010402@neurocard.fi> <4BDBF82C.70301@neurocard.fi> Message-ID: <4BDC8252.7090407@neurocard.fi> Hi Devin, I got Rev Enterprise. This is an old mail chain, which I just did revive today. Some info should be available if you track back the chain. BR, Sakari Ruoho Devin Asay wrote: > On May 1, 2010, at 3:45 AM, Sakari Ruoho wrote: > > >> I still see that the RunRev website advertises that it works with >> Oracle. Last time I checked this was far from the thruth. Is this still >> the case? >> > > What version of Rev do you have? Integrated support for Oracle database connectivity is only available in Rev Enterprise. See: > > http://www.runrev.com/products/the-rev-platform/editions-comparison/ > > Regards, > > Devin > > > Devin Asay > Humanities Technology and Research Support Center > Brigham Young University > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From th.douez at gmail.com Sat May 1 15:41:24 2010 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry D.) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 21:41:24 +0200 Subject: AW: How to translate a rev path to an absolut unix path? In-Reply-To: <005c01cae945$8a311c50$9e9354f0$@de> References: <005101cae92c$dfc7b340$9f5719c0$@de> <9AA70D51-88EC-4453-98F7-DEACB2F8D612@sunnyrevcode.com> <005c01cae945$8a311c50$9e9354f0$@de> Message-ID: <660DC138-C9D4-45CD-9FD8-E158AC5EB17C@sunnyrevcode.com> Le 1 mai 2010 ? 17:47, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit : > Bon soir Thierry, > > your proposal seems to be half the way. Bonsoir Tiemo, So, did check with your specs. add a bundle folder in my dir, hide and lock a test file inside the bundle folder and did this : -- create a zip file keeping all specifics macos flags > ditto -c -k --sequesterRsrc SrcFolder testditto.zip -- check what is inside the zip file > unzip -l testditto.zip Archive: testditto.zip Length Date Time Name -------- ---- ---- ---- 6148 04-23-10 19:05 .DS_Store 0 05-01-10 21:28 __MACOSX/ 82 04-23-10 19:05 __MACOSX/._.DS_Store 0 04-18-10 07:32 .localized 13 05-01-10 15:32 f1 82 05-01-10 15:32 __MACOSX/._f1 15 05-01-10 15:32 f2 0 05-01-10 21:10 tdzx.bundle/ 0 04-27-10 11:22 tdzx.bundle/Contents/ 1225 04-27-10 11:26 tdzx.bundle/Contents/Info.plist 0 04-29-10 09:17 tdzx.bundle/Contents/MacOS/ 216920 04-29-10 09:17 tdzx.bundle/Contents/MacOS/tdzimgdatafilter 0 04-27-10 11:22 tdzx.bundle/Contents/Resources/ 0 04-27-10 11:22 tdzx.bundle/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/ 92 04-27-10 11:22 tdzx.bundle/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/InfoPlist.strings 13 05-01-10 21:10 tdzx.bundle/test 0 05-01-10 21:28 __MACOSX/tdzx.bundle/ 82 05-01-10 21:10 __MACOSX/tdzx.bundle/._test -- You can see these __MACOSX/.... files. they store the flags values. > ditto -x -k testditto.zip Z Done ! Tres belles fetes du muguet :) Thierry From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 1 15:41:36 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 22:41:36 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100501192337.JXQN18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100501192337.JXQN18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4BDC83F0.40108@gmail.com> On 01/05/2010 22:23, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > don't you guys get it? Adobe is the biggest creep in techdom. Do you remember how they screwed apple over post script? They are the patent hogs who have stymied computational evolution for 30 years. The only company worse then them was micromedia and adobe acquired flash by buying them outright. Apple and microsoft aren't against flash! They are pressuring adobe to lighten up on the use agreements. Maybe something so core as graphics description shouldn't be proprietary? > _______________________________________________ Nonsense: there is nothing to choose between Apple, Microsoft and Adobe; and Macromedia wasn't any better, but for companies to survive they have to eat smaller ones. While simple Darwinian theory may not make all that much sense for explaining biology it seems pretty good for describing certain aspects of corporate behaviour. All these companies remind me of Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia: sign a treaty of 'eternal friendship' for as long as it serves your needs and then turn around and kill each other's foot soldiers when the wind blows the other way. The ones who really fuss me are characters like Mark Shuttleworth, who looks, on the surface, a bit too good to be true. How long is it until he makes his move? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Maybe something so core as graphics description shouldn't be proprietary? " Well, err, yes . . . but who did the donkey work and shouldn't they get some sort of reward for their labours? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Maybe something so core as graphics description shouldn't be proprietary? " Yup; maybe everything should be FREE and we can all run around wreathed in garlands of pansies singing paeons of praise to the mysterious forces that labour without a thought in their pretty little heads about their own needs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Patent hogs" . . . oink! I wonder if the hard working folk who are employed by Adobe to do all the marvellous things they have done would have done any of that work if, by not having legal protection for the end products of their labours, Adobe would have been unable to pay them a living wage because every person with some sort of knowledge of programming would have been churning out 'Fotoshop', 'Photoboutique', 'Snapshop' and so forth based on pinched ideas. I am a great believer in Open Source software, but I am also well aware that in almost all cases a proprietary bit of stuff came first. Without Photoshop we would have no GIMP, Without Illustrator we would have no Inkscape, Without Microsoft Office we would have no Open Office, and so on. From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Sat May 1 16:45:24 2010 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 22:45:24 +0200 Subject: RevStore Message-ID: There has been a number of threads about Apple and revMobile that really tempted be to go trolling and flaming... I have let some time pass, and I think it is time to reverse the question and forget about Steve Jobs. The topic is: one of the reasons of the success of the iPhone is the AppStore. Here, law abiding developers can find a place to market their product. If the software is free, the developer is not charged for anything; if it is not, Apple takes 30%, if I recall correctly. For that amount, Apple takes cares of credit card handling, manages the currency exchange rates for you, pays relevant taxes like VAT, etc... Now let us forget about the iPhone and concentrate on the App Store. What does RunRev do to promote, distribute and sell software that has been developed with revolution? I mean the traditional stuff: desktop applications. The answer: nothing (as far as I know). And its stupid. Because the best way to promote a development environment is to promote/ sell the apps that have been coded with it. I am waiting to see a revStore. With everything on it. This way John Doe (not to mention Steve Jobs) will be able to judge if apps developed with revolution can be great, inspiring, or if it's all crap. An the more apps there will be, the better it will be for everybody. Heather, I put you on copy as I think you are the best person in the rev team to ponder on that. Best regards Fran?ois From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 1 17:16:41 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 00:16:41 +0300 Subject: [OT] Semantics Message-ID: <4BDC9A39.10602@gmail.com> "Speed and standards." http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361444,00.asp All the 'stuff' that we have been chewing over re Steve Jobs, Apple, Adobe and, now Internet Explorer 9, come down to "Speed and standards." The question is not really about Apple's, Adobe's or Microsoft's motivation (their motivation is to compete with each other and make money); it is about who defines what constitutes 'speed' and who should define 'standards' and how to force the maximum of people to adopt those 'standards' so that is what they become by /force majeur /even if for no other reason. We, as supporters of RunRev ought to be worrying about how to help, urge, kick RunRev to get their 'standards' adopted by more people; because if we don't, and Runrev doesn't, we will all wake up one day to find that we and RunRev have become either 'substandard' or 'nonstandard', at which point we can either adapt or pop along to the local main road with a "will work for food" notice; neither of which exactly "thrill my gorilla." Apparently Runrev's chances on the iPhone and the iPad have just got trampled on in Steve Jobs' elephantine squishing of Adobe; now maybe just the time to start pushing the mobile platform capabilities of RunRev like Billy-Oh so that there is a chance that when/if Apple caves into pressure with some sort of compromise (that excludes Adobe Flash) RunRev is one of those who get a backdoor pass to rejoin the party. From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sat May 1 17:20:28 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:20:28 -0400 Subject: iPhone? In-Reply-To: <4BDC616A.1030408@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richmond asked "Can we?": > On 01/05/2010 20:09, Peter Haworth wrote: >> Here's a thought for Rev - put revMobile on Android. >> >> Pete Haworth >> > Can we? Yes, we can (someday, maybe). Rev's FAQ used to say "not at this time, but we will keep an eye on it". Now, it says "We do intend to support Android but it will not be available in version 1.0 of revMobile.". http://www.runrev.com/products/revmobile/revmobile-faq/ ~Roger Eller From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat May 1 17:24:25 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 14:24:25 -0700 Subject: RevStore Message-ID: <4BDC9C09.5000203@fourthworld.com> Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > What does RunRev do to promote, distribute and sell software that > has been developed with revolution? I mean the traditional stuff: > desktop applications. > The answer: nothing (as far as I know). What are RevOnline and RevSelect? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat May 1 18:00:01 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 17:00:01 -0500 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: References: <20100428153044.6EBB52884AD@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4BDCA461.4050108@hyperactivesw.com> Graham & Heather Harrison wrote: > In the first rev lesson on externals at > http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/7116-How-to-safely-attach-an-external-to-your-stack, > after saving the stack this statement is issued: > > send "revert" to me in 5 ticks -- the equivalent of quit then > restart. > > When I use this under rev 4.0.0 on Mac OS X 10.6.3, it causes the > card to go into strobe mode. Any > explanations? Sounds like some kind of script loop. Try omitting the "revert" command. Just close your stack (removing from memory,) go back to the Finder, and re-open it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Sat May 1 18:09:27 2010 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 00:09:27 +0200 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: <4BDC9C09.5000203@fourthworld.com> References: <4BDC9C09.5000203@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Le 1 mai 2010 ? 23:24, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > > > What does RunRev do to promote, distribute and sell software that > > has been developed with revolution? I mean the traditional stuff: > > desktop applications. > > The answer: nothing (as far as I know). > > What are RevOnline and RevSelect? > > -- RevOnline (the one I know from studio) requires revolution and has a crappy interface. Plus you cannot do business there. http://revonline2.runrev.com/ : just have a look at the top downloads and the the screen shot: it's ugly. Plus it does not sell. I assume revselect is http://www.runrev.com/products/related-software/ 15 apps: ha! Is that all? The revstore should be accessible directly from the "store" tab of the runrev site. At this time, unless you *know* that the pages for revonline and revselect exist, there is no chance to find them. The truth is that runrev does not help the promotion of its customers'apps. The result is that it gives the impression that it his a second class development tool. I have never been aggressive towards runrev, I have a 5 year mac renewal Studio license, a 5 year renewal revmobile license. I do not like saying what I said about runrev. But if were a newbie to runrev, I would say "yechh" when looking at the two previously mentioned pages, provide I can find them. An thanks for the feedback, Richard. Best regards Fran?ois From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 1 18:27:27 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 15:27:27 -0700 Subject: [OT] Semantics Message-ID: <20100501222728.LOTJ29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Standards only work to the extent that they apply protocol at the most effective strata in the stack. When adobe restricts graphics protocol that should live down near the lower reaches of the OS or below, to above the application level, they create an unstable and ultimately untenable imbalance in the stack that only serves to put the breaks on innovation and forward looking change. In any evolving system, progress towards optimization must supersede temporary success. Unstable awkward architectures act as dams that prevent natural flow. Only putrification and stagnation will result. And the dam will eventually burst as it is digested by its own content or overwhelmed by less artificially restrained flows that have found their own way towards progress despite the unnatural abomination in their way. Standards and optimal hierarchical placement thereof. Nothing else succeeds in the long run. Is rev or any xtalk solution really the future? The future belongs to those who optimize the stack. Adobe has a better mix of language and graphics than anyone else. That is why apple and microsoft are focusing their angst at adobe. If adobe didn't hold the ball, there would be no reason for such big players to throw such a tantrum... they would just join together and create their own protocol. The idea that rev should go its own and build towards less awkward standards is simply laughable. Rev is the poster boy for companies that hang on the coat tails of the work of others. Bottom feeders. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it isn't where you would go looking for red hot trail blazing innovation and standards. Hilarious. From jerry.daniels at me.com Sat May 1 18:30:09 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 17:30:09 -0500 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: References: <4BDC9C09.5000203@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <07770581-64B1-4954-8E56-38B8ADCAEA53@me.com> RevSelect is really about add-ons to Rev. I considered opening a stack store and ran the business case. A lot of work and sizable risk. Still can't get it out of my head,tho. I would be as dictatorial as Steve Jobs, probably. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 1, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > > Le 1 mai 2010 ? 23:24, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > >> Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: >> >>> What does RunRev do to promote, distribute and sell software that >>> has been developed with revolution? I mean the traditional stuff: >>> desktop applications. >>> The answer: nothing (as far as I know). >> >> What are RevOnline and RevSelect? >> >> -- > > RevOnline (the one I know from studio) requires revolution and has a crappy interface. Plus you cannot do business there. > > http://revonline2.runrev.com/ : just have a look at the top downloads and the the screen shot: it's ugly. Plus it does not sell. > > I assume revselect is > http://www.runrev.com/products/related-software/ > 15 apps: ha! Is that all? > > The revstore should be accessible directly from the "store" tab of the runrev site. At this time, unless you *know* that the pages for revonline and revselect exist, there is no chance to find them. > > The truth is that runrev does not help the promotion of its customers'apps. The result is that it gives the impression that it his a second class development tool. > > > I have never been aggressive towards runrev, I have a 5 year mac renewal Studio license, a 5 year renewal revmobile license. I do not like saying what I said about runrev. But if were a newbie to runrev, I would say "yechh" when looking at the two previously mentioned pages, provide I can find them. > > An thanks for the feedback, Richard. > > Best regards > Fran?ois > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jerry.daniels at me.com Sat May 1 18:34:37 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 17:34:37 -0500 Subject: [OT] Semantics In-Reply-To: <20100501222728.LOTJ29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100501222728.LOTJ29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <888C6A15-CF68-428F-8BE9-B46FA0C69BEC@me.com> Harsh. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 1, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Standards only work to the extent that they apply protocol at the most effective strata in the stack. When adobe restricts graphics protocol that should live down near the lower reaches of the OS or below, to above the application level, they create an unstable and ultimately untenable imbalance in the stack that only serves to put the breaks on innovation and forward looking change. In any evolving system, progress towards optimization must supersede temporary success. Unstable awkward architectures act as dams that prevent natural flow. Only putrification and stagnation will result. And the dam will eventually burst as it is digested by its own content or overwhelmed by less artificially restrained flows that have found their own way towards progress despite the unnatural abomination in their way. Standards and optimal hierarchical placement thereof. Nothing else succeeds in the long run. Is rev or any xtalk solution really the future? The future belongs to those who optimize the stack. Adobe has a better mix of language and graphics than anyone else. That is why apple and microsoft are focusing their angst at adobe. If adobe didn't hold the ball, there would be no reason for such big players to throw such a tantrum... they would just join together and create their own protocol. The idea that rev should go its own and build towards less awkward standards is simply laughable. Rev is the poster boy for companies that hang on the coat tails of the work of others. Bottom feeders. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it isn't where you would go looking for red hot trail blazing innovation and standards. Hilarious. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 1 18:44:16 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 15:44:16 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100501224417.LWCX29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> To look at photshop or illustrator as chronos as perfect form in their categories is like looking to some awkward plated dinosaur as pattern for the future of land animals. If the target of open source is restricted to the application layer we should expect nothing more than crippled duplicates of 20 year old ideas. And from this you push innovation? I have yet to hear an open source advocate talk to the evolution of technology. It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. That said, adobe kicks itself in the same profit seeking foot when it can't imaging a more profitable means of leveraging its IP than a suite of software in boxes and a hyper-aggressive junk yard dog approach to market access. Profit seeking isn't the devil... Stupid profit seeking is. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat May 1 19:02:54 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 16:02:54 -0700 Subject: RevStore Message-ID: <4BDCB31E.3070907@fourthworld.com> Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > RevOnline (the one I know from studio) requires revolution and has > a crappy interface. Plus you cannot do business there. > > http://revonline2.runrev.com/ : just have a look at the top downloads > and the the screen shot: it's ugly. Plus it does not sell. > > I assume revselect is > http://www.runrev.com/products/related-software/ > 15 apps: ha! Is that all? The number of products in RevSelect isn't a RunRev problem; that's a developer problem. Like that AppStore, that's where developer sell their wares, so if you want to see more there write some. :) Ugly can be fixed, and since the RevSelect stuff is already sold through their store, linking it from the front page of the store is a two-minute job for someone there. Have you considered writing RunRev with your suggestions? I agree they're useful ones. When people look at a tool like Rev they want to see there's a sizable afternarket as an indicator of viability. So it benefits RunRev more than anyone else to improve the presentation of third-party offerings all over their site. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat May 1 19:05:42 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Webinar Client (like Dim-Dim) | ITunes Alternative (like Song Bird) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1272755142822-2122432.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Scott, Scott Rossi wrote: > > I've built many music and video players over the years with RunRev. > The one major limitation you will find is that media support will be > limited to > those media that are supported by Apple's QuickTime (and QT must be > installed on the user's system). > [snip] > Have you build a FLV and MP3 player using Flash plugin running inside a revBrowser window? Just curious to know if this combination works as smooth as Quicktime players. Have a nice weekend! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Webinar-Client-like-Dim-Dim-ITunes-Alternative-like-Song-Bird-tp2077383p2122432.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat May 1 19:14:04 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 16:14:04 -0700 Subject: Ink Settings and Printing In-Reply-To: <4BDC83F0.40108@gmail.com> References: <20100501192337.JXQN18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDC83F0.40108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BDCB5BC.8080808@comcast.net> I'm trying to print a card with a jpeg image on it and have noticed that when I set the Ink to anything other than the standard srcCopy that the image quality suffers noticeably. I think I tired every setting that allows underlaying objects to show through the white bounding box of my jpeg - which is what I need. Has anyone else tried something like this? I've tried this also with png images and gif images as well- all seems to suffer when set to (for example) "blendMultiply." Thanks for any input, Marty Knapp From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat May 1 19:40:11 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: logistic example of Runrev Revolution? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1272757211942-2122444.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Shani, Shani-2 wrote: > > Hi, thanks for your reply. > You are welcome! :-) Shani-2 wrote: > > I am talking about trucks, fields, plants. > Simulation. Trucks bids to the field or plant and go for loading, etc. > A simulation like Harvest Moon or FarmVille? No, i have not seen anything like this, but in this platform, Runrev, there is a game named Gladiator Trials. The game's creator posted the source code on the Rev forums. Please, visit the forum and look for the keywords "Gladiator Trials" and you could find the stack file. Maybe someone could point you directly to the message where he posted his stack. To create an agriculture simulation in Rev, you will need many sprites. If you are not going to draw them, collect from the web and start experimenting. Download too these stacks that could be useful: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/walkingman_Rossi.zip http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/walkingman_2.zip and a revlet to run in your browser: http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test03.html Have a nice weekend! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/logistic-example-of-Runrev-Revolution-tp2074975p2122444.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sat May 1 20:00:11 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 02:00:11 +0200 Subject: [Demo] The Slug's Data Grid Library is on the road Message-ID: Hi all, As soon as I have started to study seriously the Data Grid object, I fallen in love for it. Again, a big thanks to Trevor to have built this powerful object! The last week, I have found time to really work on it in my Lab. I started to try different things, and step by step I built a sort of library. This is the list of the features I have implemented in this library: - add / delete / duplicate rows. - import / export in CSV or XML. - mark / unmark lines. - search in Data Grid columns with operators : is, is not, begins with, not begins with, ends with, not ends with, contains, not contains, =, >, >=, <, <=, <> - select lines after a search in the Data Grid. - populate a Data Grid Table with another Data Grid Table by selecting lines in the first datagrid. Only same columns names are copied. Order of columns can be redefined. - populate a Data Grid Form with a Data Grid Table. - create a datatree (a node and a child level). Nodes and childs are rows of the Data Grid. I'm not sure what I'm going to do exactly with this library. For the moment I still working on it and I have a lot of features to implement. Can I have your feedback and impression on it, please? 8-) I created a dictionary and demo stack. You can tried it. Just open your Rev's msg box and copy paste this line. go to url "http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/demo/DG_Lib_Demo-Dictionary.rev" For the moment, I only put some brief descriptions of functions written. The demos should be more talking. Thanks a lot for testing ;) Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From crw at nosirrah.com Sat May 1 20:03:01 2010 From: crw at nosirrah.com (Graham & Heather Harrison) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 10:03:01 +1000 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <20100501170004.DC61C2882AA@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100501170004.DC61C2882AA@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <6343B9FF-FD07-46B5-9DD4-1F0CE4134667@nosirrah.com> Mark Wieder wrote: > Try looking in the externals instead of the externalPackages. It wasn't me looking in the externalPackages, Guv. Honest to God. Never went near 'em. Swelp me. From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 1 20:11:39 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:11:39 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502001140.NFMC29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Also, adobe isn't doing any of its code "donkeys" any favors when it under exploits the market through old world protectionist business practices and an avoidance of future looking technology. As with retirement pools, an entity will never be able to sustain old obligations on the profits of old ideas. New ideas and new levels of profitability are the only way to pay the obligations owed to the inventors for efforts towards past innovations. If adobe really wants to profit from its own past it will have to figure out how to generalive and subsume the salient aspects of its IP to a layer new products and markets can build on top of. Holding on to software application markets born 20 years ago is a strategy born to fail. I think IBM Is a good lesson on how a company needs to think about maturing. Don't push your past solutions, push the human resources and resource management and infrastructure knowhow that your old product successes make evident. Sell the ability to make solutions, not solutions themselves. Give away the source as a way to market the minds. More money will flow in. Stock holders (the original innovators) will benefit more than thy would through draconian measures to extend the natural life of a product category. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat May 1 21:31:19 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 20:31:19 -0500 Subject: Ink Settings and Printing In-Reply-To: <4BDCB5BC.8080808@comcast.net> References: <20100501192337.JXQN18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDC83F0.40108@gmail.com> <4BDCB5BC.8080808@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BDCD5E7.5000307@hyperactivesw.com> Marty Knapp wrote: > I'm trying to print a card with a jpeg image on it and have noticed that > when I set the Ink to anything other than the standard srcCopy that the > image quality suffers noticeably. I think I tired every setting that > allows underlaying objects to show through the white bounding box of my > jpeg - which is what I need. Has anyone else tried something like this? > > I've tried this also with png images and gif images as well- all seems > to suffer when set to (for example) "blendMultiply." If I remember the change notes right, you bascially get a screen shot if there are blended inks on the image. The engine can't render those. Wish I could remember which set of notes to point you to, it was somewhere around when the revised image capabilities kicked in. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 1 21:57:18 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 18:57:18 -0700 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <6343B9FF-FD07-46B5-9DD4-1F0CE4134667@nosirrah.com> References: <20100501170004.DC61C2882AA@mail.runrev.com> <6343B9FF-FD07-46B5-9DD4-1F0CE4134667@nosirrah.com> Message-ID: <1431525068078.20100501185718@ahsoftware.net> Graham- Saturday, May 1, 2010, 5:03:01 PM, you wrote: > Mark Wieder wrote: >> Try looking in the externals instead of the externalPackages. > It wasn't me looking in the externalPackages, Guv. Honest to God. Never went near 'em. Swelp me. Hmmm. You sure we're looking at the same lesson? -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat May 1 22:13:35 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 21:13:35 -0500 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: <4BDCB31E.3070907@fourthworld.com> References: <4BDCB31E.3070907@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4BDCDFCF.5040108@hyperactivesw.com> Richard Gaskin wrote: > When people look at a tool like Rev they > want to see there's a sizable afternarket as an indicator of viability. > So it benefits RunRev more than anyone else to improve the > presentation of third-party offerings all over their site. But with caution. I'm in favor of keeping it out of the spotlight until there are many more apps available, hundreds hopefully. A few meager offerings is not inspiring. And they have to be quality offerings. As someone who had to review and release hundreds of HC stacks to the AOL libraries, I know that 99% of what came in was pure crap. Because HC was so accessible, everyone thought they were a developer. Avoidance of even the suggestion of a HIG was the norm. Radio buttons used as checkboxes or pushbuttons ("because I like how they look,") menus missing or out of order ("I don't need an Edit menu,") known commercial app icons (MacWrite) used for private stack purposes ("go cd images",) you name it. Virtually everything about these stacks was wrong. Outsiders scoffed. Rightfully. And then there were the kids. I wavered between disgust and delight. Their stacks were invariably flip card animations done with crude line drawings, generally on topics humorous to nine year olds. "Kill Barney" was very popular, we had probably a dozen of those, not counting the rejected ones. The weapon of choice varied from guns (all models) to swords and knives; one stick man farted old Barney to death. We had to make a separate library for these and tag them with editorial code words like "simple line drawings" so that everyone else would know not to download them. This lack of professionalism in HC stacks was one of the reasons it was rarely regarded as a serious tool, and it gave HC a bad name generally. The number of really good stacks was pretty small. Unfair as it is, the quality of the output often reflects on the tools used rather than the authors. If there is ever a Rev app store, it needs to have lots of files, all of which pass a certain standard of professionalism. That means someone has to check and verify every submission, which would open a whole other can of worms. I confess though, in retrospect I really do wish I'd saved a copy of "Man Gets Beheaded By a Ceiling Fan." You had to be there. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat May 1 22:34:12 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 19:34:12 -0700 Subject: Ink Settings and Printing In-Reply-To: <4BDCD5E7.5000307@hyperactivesw.com> References: <20100501192337.JXQN18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDC83F0.40108@gmail.com> <4BDCB5BC.8080808@comcast.net> <4BDCD5E7.5000307@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BDCE4A4.9060004@comcast.net> I was afraid of that. Oh well - thanks for letting me know. Marty > Marty Knapp wrote: >> I'm trying to print a card with a jpeg image on it and have noticed >> that when I set the Ink to anything other than the standard srcCopy >> that the image quality suffers noticeably. I think I tired every >> setting that allows underlaying objects to show through the white >> bounding box of my jpeg - which is what I need. Has anyone else tried >> something like this? >> >> I've tried this also with png images and gif images as well- all >> seems to suffer when set to (for example) "blendMultiply." > > If I remember the change notes right, you bascially get a screen shot > if there are blended inks on the image. The engine can't render those. > Wish I could remember which set of notes to point you to, it was > somewhere around when the revised image capabilities kicked in. > From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat May 1 22:37:10 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 19:37:10 -0700 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: <4BDCDFCF.5040108@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BDCB31E.3070907@fourthworld.com> <4BDCDFCF.5040108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BDCE556.4020006@comcast.net> My boys made games like that when they were younger! lol - that brings back some funny memories. Marty > > > I confess though, in retrospect I really do wish I'd saved a copy of > "Man Gets Beheaded By a Ceiling Fan." You had to be there. > From massung at gmail.com Sat May 1 22:56:08 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 21:56:08 -0500 Subject: An Erlang IDE and interactive shell Message-ID: I'm not sure if anyone else here also happens to program in Erlang, but it's something I do quite often and I really hate that there's no real good IDE for it. Anyway, last weekend I decided to put one together in Rev... just something simple that had syntax highlighting and would allow me to interact with the Erlang shell like a simple REPL, but from the editor: http://massj.on-rev.com/im/Erlang_IDE.png Current feature set: * Scratchpad mode where nothing is saved * Syntax highlighting (as you type) * Tabbed editor let's you edit many files at once * Compile modules directly to a running Erlang shell * Send any line of code in the editor directly to the REPL * Errors from the shell are captured and turn into links to the source files * See a list of all running, named processes If no one here programs Erlang, well, just know that this was another shining point for Rev... an entire editor in a weekend, communicating with another programming language's REPL shell. But, should someone here be interested in trying it out to help offer some wishlist items, etc, please feel free to email me and let me know your operating system and I'll send you a compiled version to test. Cheers, Jeff M. From jerry.daniels at me.com Sat May 1 23:00:42 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 22:00:42 -0500 Subject: An Erlang IDE and interactive shell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: VERY cool! Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 1, 2010, at 9:56 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > I'm not sure if anyone else here also happens to program in Erlang, but it's > something I do quite often and I really hate that there's no real good IDE > for it. Anyway, last weekend I decided to put one together in Rev... just > something simple that had syntax highlighting and would allow me to interact > with the Erlang shell like a simple REPL, but from the editor: > > http://massj.on-rev.com/im/Erlang_IDE.png > > Current feature set: > > * Scratchpad mode where nothing is saved > * Syntax highlighting (as you type) > * Tabbed editor let's you edit many files at once > * Compile modules directly to a running Erlang shell > * Send any line of code in the editor directly to the REPL > * Errors from the shell are captured and turn into links to the source files > * See a list of all running, named processes > > If no one here programs Erlang, well, just know that this was another > shining point for Rev... an entire editor in a weekend, communicating with > another programming language's REPL shell. But, should someone here be > interested in trying it out to help offer some wishlist items, etc, please > feel free to email me and let me know your operating system and I'll send > you a compiled version to test. > > Cheers, > > Jeff M. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From crw at nosirrah.com Sat May 1 23:56:43 2010 From: crw at nosirrah.com (Graham & Heather Harrison) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 13:56:43 +1000 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <20100502013121.6C181288135@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100502013121.6C181288135@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Jacque and Mark (W) I started with the lesson I quoted but sort of diverged and only had a small section of the code. By the time I posted the question on "revert" I was more interested in just that, than the full externals bit. Jacque: I was wondering in the back of my mind how rev could process my code without looping, without twigging that it was looping - Doh. So you were right on with the diagnosis. The cure is not so much trying a different approach but getting the current one right. Mark: When I answered your message I had forgotten the original code had the test for externalPackages. When I put that together with Jacque's point the penny dropped. However, since then I have tested the existence of both externals and externalPackages and it doesn't seem to matter which. Finally (for now), this problem is solved but I have not solved this approach to externals recognition. I may be back. From jerry.daniels at me.com Sun May 2 00:49:26 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 23:49:26 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502001140.NFMC29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502001140.NFMC29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <597D5F4F-A1E1-4AD3-99BD-99D4ACDA3A5E@me.com> Great short article that I believe accurately describes the corporate culture behind Apple's platform lock down. Mark Bernstein: Platform Control http://www.markbernstein.org/Apr10/PlatformControl.html (via Instapaper) Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 03:08:21 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 00:08:21 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502070822.SNHA29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> I don't buy it. I think that apple is frustrated that it can't build a vector based video description language without infringing on adobe's patents. I think that apple has tried unsuccessfully to engage adobe in a joint project or to buy the rights. I think microsoft has as well. This is a freezout. A hunger strike. Apple would never piss off its customers without an absolute need pressing them into this dangerous territory. Apple needs to break adobe's stubbornness. This is a last resort move which will give them and ms legal ammo in an antitrust battle should they have build their own patient busting protocol. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sun May 2 03:59:45 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 00:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <597D5F4F-A1E1-4AD3-99BD-99D4ACDA3A5E@me.com> References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <20100502001140.NFMC29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> <597D5F4F-A1E1-4AD3-99BD-99D4ACDA3A5E@me.com> Message-ID: <1272787185461-2122605.post@n4.nabble.com> The article explains, in somewhat emotional and overwrought terms, why Apple would want to there to be an alternative to the major programs people run on Macs, like MS Office and Photoshop. It still does not really explain why it rationally needs these alternatives to be developed in-house, but still. It also gives a conjectured motivation why Apple should feel that Adobe's IPR limits its ability to develop an in house alternative in the case of image processing. Yes, possibly so. It happens in business. When Apple imposes such restrictions its called 'protecting our IPRs'. What the article does not explain is Apple's apparent felt need to control what apps its users install on their devices, what content they access on their devices, or its apparent need to control what tools developers use. Its like most of the defenses of Apple's conduct: One, the arguments fail to defend the behaviors people find objectionable, two, if they were offered in favor of similar conduct by any other company, they'd be indignantly rejected. Fortunately however the implications of the lock-in and control mania are now hitting the MSM, so lets hope that Apple's free ride on these issues is coming to an end. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2122605.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 2 04:26:26 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 10:26:26 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BDC83F0.40108@gmail.com> References: <20100501192337.JXQN18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDC83F0.40108@gmail.com> Message-ID: Without MacPaint we would have no Photoshop and Illustrator and so on ;-) Le 1 mai 2010 ? 21:41, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > Without Photoshop we would have no GIMP, > > Without Illustrator we would have no Inkscape, > > Without Microsoft Office we would have no Open Office, > > and so on. From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sun May 2 04:26:07 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:26:07 +0100 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100501224417.LWCX29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100501224417.LWCX29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <880E1CD1-4948-47C6-B840-933E27FF28DE@azurevision.co.uk> On 1 May 2010, at 23:44, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I have yet to hear an open source advocate talk to the evolution of > technology. Depends on your definitions. One of the big new features for CS5 (content-aware fill) was already available as a plug=in for the GIMP. Ian From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 2 04:31:06 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 10:31:06 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100501224417.LWCX29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100501224417.LWCX29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: Le 2 mai 2010 ? 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a ?crit : > It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. Very difficult for a french to understand that ! If English speaker dont speak English then "Je m'exprimerai en fran?ais sur ce forum !" ;-) From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 2 04:34:02 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 10:34:02 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502001140.NFMC29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502001140.NFMC29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <770D4E18-314B-43B1-95F7-3B0FDC1FFDDC@numericable.com> Even if I do not always understand the words of Randall, on the merits, I quite agree with what he says. Le 2 mai 2010 ? 02:11, Randall Lee Reetz a ?crit : > Also, adobe isn't doing any of its code "donkeys" any favors when it under exploits the market through old world protectionist business practices and an avoidance of future looking technology. As with retirement pools, an entity will never be able to sustain old obligations on the profits of old ideas. New ideas and new levels of profitability are the only way to pay the obligations owed to the inventors for efforts towards past innovations. If adobe really wants to profit from its own past it will have to figure out how to generalive and subsume the salient aspects of its IP to a layer new products and markets can build on top of. Holding on to software application markets born 20 years ago is a strategy born to fail. I think IBM Is a good lesson on how a company needs to think about maturing. Don't push your past solutions, push the human resources and resource management and infrastructure knowhow that your old product successes make evident. Sell the ability to make solutions, not solutions themselves. Give away the source as a way to market the minds. More money will flow in. Stock holders (the original innovators) will benefit more than thy would through draconian measures to extend the natural life of a product category. From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 2 04:43:30 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 10:43:30 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <597D5F4F-A1E1-4AD3-99BD-99D4ACDA3A5E@me.com> References: <20100502001140.NFMC29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> <597D5F4F-A1E1-4AD3-99BD-99D4ACDA3A5E@me.com> Message-ID: Yes, And this is for me, now, at microscopic scale, the same thing with RunRev. The difference is that I have not enough talent to master Objective C (and English also !!) ;-) Le 2 mai 2010 ? 06:49, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > Great short article that I believe accurately describes the corporate culture behind Apple's platform lock down. > > Mark Bernstein: Platform Control > > http://www.markbernstein.org/Apr10/PlatformControl.html > > (via Instapaper) > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: > http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 04:53:18 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 11:53:18 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <880E1CD1-4948-47C6-B840-933E27FF28DE@azurevision.co.uk> References: <20100501224417.LWCX29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> <880E1CD1-4948-47C6-B840-933E27FF28DE@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <4BDD3D7E.5030707@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 11:26, Ian Wood wrote: > > On 1 May 2010, at 23:44, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > >> I have yet to hear an open source advocate talk to the evolution of >> technology. > > Depends on your definitions. One of the big new features for CS5 > (content-aware fill) was already available as a plug=in for the GIMP. > > Ian Randall Lee Reetz has already declared his antipathy towards Open Source software so many times that this was sure to be his response to my posting. In an OPEN world (hey, look, Richmond is also using that over-used-and-abused word) there should be room for 100% Open Source stuff and 100% proprietary stuff and all possible stuff in between. I belong to a broad church that admits all levels and types of beliefs (well, at least as far as software is concerned). Open Source offerings have now reached a certain level of maturity that means they can compete with and complement Commercial software; I think if GIMP and Photoshop want to play leapfrog with each other that is an extremely healthy situation. Frankly, as a lot of Open Source developers seem to use false names it would not entirely surprise me if some of the people who work on Photoshop don't work on GIMP in their spare time . . . :) We are all well aware that commercial companies are always 'stealing' ideas from each other; the fact that Open Source is involved in this and vice-versa should neither surprise or worry us. What should worry us is when somebody comes along and blocks the chance for that healthy sort of competition to take place. There should always be space for all sorts of types of software and types of marketing; monopolies, whether state controlled or company controlled are what we have to fear because that is when stagnation sets in. From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 2 04:56:20 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 10:56:20 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100501224417.LWCX29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: This is a good example of what Mr. Jobs called the lowest common denominator : a poor French without enough control in English, slows the debate ! Le 2 mai 2010 ? 10:31, Ren? Micout a ?crit : > > Le 2 mai 2010 ? 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a ?crit : > >> It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. > > Very difficult for a french to understand that ! > If English speaker dont speak English then "Je m'exprimerai en fran?ais sur ce forum !" > ;-)_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 04:57:31 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 11:57:31 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100501224417.LWCX29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4BDD3E7B.2090400@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 11:31, Ren? Micout wrote: > Le 2 mai 2010 ? 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a ?crit : > >> It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. > Very difficult for a french to understand that ! > If English speaker dont speak English then "Je m'exprimerai en fran?ais sur ce forum !" > ;-)_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > Ayn Rand was a Hungarian who became an American; she advocated an extremely crude form of anarcho-capitalism. Her books are 2-dimensional exercises in projecting her ideas that are extremely popular with the 20-30 set who have been through their left-wing phase and are now experiencing their backlash reaction. Once people realise how 2-dimensional her ideas are and how they fail to account (just as Marxism does) for the nature of humanity they move on; normally giving up adopting extreme political postures. From psahores at free.fr Sun May 2 05:06:45 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 11:06:45 +0200 Subject: Is rev Oracle support just a joke? In-Reply-To: <4BDC8252.7090407@neurocard.fi> References: <910421.44563.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4AE7AAD5.7020202@neurocard.fi> <4AE87182.8010402@neurocard.fi> <4BDBF82C.70301@neurocard.fi> <4BDC8252.7090407@neurocard.fi> Message-ID: Connecting Rev Entreprise to Oracle is not always simple but it worked always for me (to the end) for 8i, 9i or 10g, under Solaris (Rev 2.1.2), Linux and OS X in using 2 different ways : a Shell-based or a PHP-based middleware. Best, Pierre Le 1 mai 2010 ? 21:34, Sakari Ruoho a ?crit : > Hi Devin, > > I got Rev Enterprise. > > This is an old mail chain, which I just did revive today. Some info > should be available if you track back the chain. > > > BR, > > Sakari Ruoho > > > Devin Asay wrote: >> On May 1, 2010, at 3:45 AM, Sakari Ruoho wrote: >> >> >>> I still see that the RunRev website advertises that it works with Oracle. Last time I checked this was far from the thruth. Is this still the case? >>> >> >> What version of Rev do you have? Integrated support for Oracle database connectivity is only available in Rev Enterprise. See: >> >> http://www.runrev.com/products/the-rev-platform/editions-comparison/ >> >> Regards, >> >> Devin >> >> >> Devin Asay >> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center >> Brigham Young University >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 2 05:14:50 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 11:14:50 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BDD3E7B.2090400@gmail.com> References: <20100501224417.LWCX29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDD3E7B.2090400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1AF7CFD9-F890-429A-A144-640BEE147356@numericable.com> Thank you, once again, Richmond, to perfect my culture. Only ONE book of Ayn Rand is translate in French and his ideas have not much (at all) prospered here. Le 2 mai 2010 ? 10:57, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > On 02/05/2010 11:31, Ren? Micout wrote: >> Le 2 mai 2010 ? 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a ?crit : >> >>> It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. >> Very difficult for a french to understand that ! >> If English speaker dont speak English then "Je m'exprimerai en fran?ais sur ce forum !" >> ;-)_______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > Ayn Rand was a Hungarian who became an American; she advocated an extremely crude form of > anarcho-capitalism. Her books are 2-dimensional exercises in projecting her ideas that are > extremely popular with the 20-30 set who have been through their left-wing phase and are now > experiencing their backlash reaction. Once people realise how 2-dimensional her ideas are and > how they fail to account (just as Marxism does) for the nature of humanity they move on; normally > giving up adopting extreme political postures. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sun May 2 05:18:48 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 02:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <20100501224417.LWCX29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <1272791928139-2122649.post@n4.nabble.com> "It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision" OK, a deconstruction. The writer considers (for reasons he does not make clear) that advocates of Open Source software are followers of the US novelist Ayn Rand. Rand was a curious figure who ran a small cult political movement at the end of the last century, called Objectivism, and wrote several awful novels. The writer thinks that Rand and her followers were anarchists. (I don't think they were). They are usually thought to be extremely right wing. The next phrase suggests that he thinks Open Source advocates are infantile. He says "after school club". That is, they are morally at least still at a level of needing to be under parental and teacher control, and their participation in Open Source is analogous to an after school club activity, strictly juvenile. "all white mall arcade nerds" They are all white skinned 'nerds', that is people with no social skills and an obsession with technology. I am not sure what their color has to do with this, but still.... An arcade is a sort of enclosure, and a games arcade will have lots of game machines in it, and a mall is a shopping mall. So he suggests that open source advocates have spent their youth in shopping mall corridors playing video games on machines, and that this is the extent of their culture. Not only that, they are white, and followers of Ayn Rand, and anarchists with it! Well. I hope that helps you understand the English. Understanding the thought is something I cannot help you with.... -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2122649.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sakari at neurocard.fi Sun May 2 05:21:34 2010 From: sakari at neurocard.fi (Sakari Ruoho) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 12:21:34 +0300 Subject: Is rev Oracle support just a joke? In-Reply-To: References: <910421.44563.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4AE7AAD5.7020202@neurocard.fi> <4AE87182.8010402@neurocard.fi> <4BDBF82C.70301@neurocard.fi> <4BDC8252.7090407@neurocard.fi> Message-ID: <4BDD441E.2060808@neurocard.fi> Hi Pierre, I've tried 10g and 11g under Solaris and OS X with RunRev on OS X and Windows. I suppose I could get it working with middleware, but I don't think that's the idea if you promote that the product can connect directly to Oracle DB? Can't use the build in db functions that way can you? BR, Sakari Ruoho Pierre Sahores wrote: > Connecting Rev Entreprise to Oracle is not always simple but it worked always for me (to the end) for 8i, 9i or 10g, under Solaris (Rev 2.1.2), Linux and OS X in using 2 different ways : a Shell-based or a PHP-based middleware. > > Best, Pierre > > Le 1 mai 2010 ? 21:34, Sakari Ruoho a ?crit : > > >> Hi Devin, >> >> I got Rev Enterprise. >> >> This is an old mail chain, which I just did revive today. Some info >> should be available if you track back the chain. >> >> >> BR, >> >> Sakari Ruoho >> >> >> Devin Asay wrote: >> >>> On May 1, 2010, at 3:45 AM, Sakari Ruoho wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I still see that the RunRev website advertises that it works with Oracle. Last time I checked this was far from the thruth. Is this still the case? >>>> >>>> >>> What version of Rev do you have? Integrated support for Oracle database connectivity is only available in Rev Enterprise. See: >>> >>> http://www.runrev.com/products/the-rev-platform/editions-comparison/ >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Devin >>> >>> >>> Devin Asay >>> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center >>> Brigham Young University >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 > > www.woooooooords.com > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 2 05:23:57 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 11:23:57 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <1272791928139-2122649.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <20100501224417.LWCX29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> <1272791928139-2122649.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Peter, thank you for this explanation of text :-) Le 2 mai 2010 ? 11:18, Peter Alcibiades a ?crit : > > "It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall > arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision" > > OK, a deconstruction. > > The writer considers (for reasons he does not make clear) that advocates of > Open Source software are followers of the US novelist Ayn Rand. Rand was a > curious figure who ran a small cult political movement at the end of the > last century, called Objectivism, and wrote several awful novels. > > The writer thinks that Rand and her followers were anarchists. (I don't > think they were). They are usually thought to be extremely right wing. > > The next phrase suggests that he thinks Open Source advocates are infantile. > He says "after school club". That is, they are morally at least still at a > level of needing to be under parental and teacher control, and their > participation in Open Source is analogous to an after school club activity, > strictly juvenile. > > "all white mall arcade nerds" > > They are all white skinned 'nerds', that is people with no social skills and > an obsession with technology. I am not sure what their color has to do with > this, but still.... > > An arcade is a sort of enclosure, and a games arcade will have lots of game > machines in it, and a mall is a shopping mall. So he suggests that open > source advocates have spent their youth in shopping mall corridors playing > video games on machines, and that this is the extent of their culture. > > Not only that, they are white, and followers of Ayn Rand, and anarchists > with it! > > Well. I hope that helps you understand the English. Understanding the > thought is something I cannot help you with.... > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2122649.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 2 05:28:32 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 11:28:32 +0200 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1510AA5B-0590-46C6-A256-645CCF26CB8A@numericable.com> Une bonne id?e ? creuser > c'est un travail de mineur ?a ! ;-) A good idea to dig > this is a pit worker's job ! ;-) Le 1 mai 2010 ? 22:45, Fran?ois Chaplais a ?crit : > There has been a number of threads about Apple and revMobile that really tempted be to go trolling and flaming... > I have let some time pass, and I think it is time to reverse the question and forget about Steve Jobs. > > The topic is: one of the reasons of the success of the iPhone is the AppStore. > Here, law abiding developers can find a place to market their product. If the software is free, the developer is not charged for anything; if it is not, Apple takes 30%, if I recall correctly. For that amount, Apple takes cares of credit card handling, manages the currency exchange rates for you, pays relevant taxes like VAT, etc... > > Now let us forget about the iPhone and concentrate on the App Store. > What does RunRev do to promote, distribute and sell software that has been developed with revolution? I mean the traditional stuff: desktop applications. > The answer: nothing (as far as I know). > > And its stupid. Because the best way to promote a development environment is to promote/ sell the apps that have been coded with it. > I am waiting to see a revStore. With everything on it. This way John Doe (not to mention Steve Jobs) will be able to judge if apps developed with revolution can be great, inspiring, or if it's all crap. An the more apps there will be, the better it will be for everybody. > > Heather, I put you on copy as I think you are the best person in the rev team to ponder on that. > > Best regards > Fran?ois > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From psahores at free.fr Sun May 2 05:37:20 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 11:37:20 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BDC83F0.40108@gmail.com> References: <20100501192337.JXQN18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDC83F0.40108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A31D8A-538D-46B2-A7C6-161BDD163C4F@free.fr> The way the present worldwide civil war acts vhere the monopolistic entreprises candidates are the fighters/armies and workers/peoples the victims. Until when ?... Best Regards, Le 1 mai 2010 ? 21:41, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > Nonsense: there is nothing to choose between Apple, Microsoft and Adobe; > and Macromedia wasn't any better, but for companies to survive they have > to eat smaller ones. While simple Darwinian theory may not make all that > much sense for explaining biology it seems pretty good for describing > certain aspects of corporate behaviour. > > All these companies remind me of Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia: > sign a treaty of 'eternal friendship' for as long as it serves your needs and > then turn around and kill each other's foot soldiers when the wind blows > the other way. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 05:47:27 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 12:47:27 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <42A31D8A-538D-46B2-A7C6-161BDD163C4F@free.fr> References: <20100501192337.JXQN18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDC83F0.40108@gmail.com> <42A31D8A-538D-46B2-A7C6-161BDD163C4F@free.fr> Message-ID: <4BDD4A2F.2070800@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 12:37, Pierre Sahores wrote: > The way the present worldwide civil war acts vhere the monopolistic entreprises candidates are the fighters/armies and workers/peoples the victims. Until when ?... As I am not a left-winger I do not see a polarisation between workers and monopolistic enterprises; after all, monopolistic enterprises consist of people. The whole thing looks like an all-too human problem: people like to belong to tribes, and tribes like to have chieftains. The trouble is that very, very few chieftains care about their tribesmen, and forget that they are chieftains only at the sufferance of their tribesmen. The tribesmen also forget that they can topple their chieftains quite easily; they wander around with their mouths hanging open in awe of the mighty chief - forgetting that s/he is, ultimately, no better than they are. > Best Regards, > > Le 1 mai 2010 ? 21:41, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > >> Nonsense: there is nothing to choose between Apple, Microsoft and Adobe; >> and Macromedia wasn't any better, but for companies to survive they have >> to eat smaller ones. While simple Darwinian theory may not make all that >> much sense for explaining biology it seems pretty good for describing >> certain aspects of corporate behaviour. >> >> All these companies remind me of Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia: >> sign a treaty of 'eternal friendship' for as long as it serves your needs and >> then turn around and kill each other's foot soldiers when the wind blows >> the other way. > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 > > www.woooooooords.com > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From psahores at free.fr Sun May 2 06:00:15 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:00:15 +0200 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <949EF17C-41AD-48FE-8540-B7373A8149C4@free.fr> Great Post ! RunRev could probably get lots more market's visibility in acting in this proposed way. More : Because RunRev is the most well informed about what Rev is used to devlop, the company knows too what B2B vertical-market and n-tier solutions would help to expand the Rev market penetration. It would be realy helpfull to have Rev submitting us, time to time, a list of the categories of apps whose are felting for yet to suit this possible way to go to enforce a professional-grade image of the Rev platform. In betwin other considerations, we can expect that the revWeb plug-in is well suited to become an incredible powerfull platform for distribued and cloud computing services and applications. Kind Regards, Pierre Le 1 mai 2010 ? 22:45, Fran?ois Chaplais a ?crit : > Now let us forget about the iPhone and concentrate on the App Store. > What does RunRev do to promote, distribute and sell software that has been developed with revolution? I mean the traditional stuff: desktop applications. > The answer: nothing (as far as I know). > > And its stupid. Because the best way to promote a development environment is to promote/ sell the apps that have been coded with it. > I am waiting to see a revStore. With everything on it. This way John Doe (not to mention Steve Jobs) will be able to judge if apps developed with revolution can be great, inspiring, or if it's all crap. An the more apps there will be, the better it will be for everybody. > > Heather, I put you on copy as I think you are the best person in the rev team to ponder on that. > > Best regards > Fran?ois -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From psahores at free.fr Sun May 2 06:04:37 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:04:37 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BDD4A2F.2070800@gmail.com> References: <20100501192337.JXQN18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDC83F0.40108@gmail.com> <42A31D8A-538D-46B2-A7C6-161BDD163C4F@free.fr> <4BDD4A2F.2070800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <739E66E6-0094-4996-98DD-B9F3C5674C7E@free.fr> "Nous sommes bien d'accord !" Kind Regards, Pierre Le 2 mai 2010 ? 11:47, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > On 02/05/2010 12:37, Pierre Sahores wrote: >> The way the present worldwide civil war acts vhere the monopolistic entreprises candidates are the fighters/armies and workers/peoples the victims. Until when ?... > > As I am not a left-winger I do not see a polarisation between workers and monopolistic enterprises; after all, monopolistic > enterprises consist of people. > > The whole thing looks like an all-too human problem: people like to belong to tribes, and tribes like to have chieftains. > > The trouble is that very, very few chieftains care about their tribesmen, and forget that they are chieftains only at the > sufferance of their tribesmen. > > The tribesmen also forget that they can topple their chieftains quite easily; they wander around with their mouths > hanging open in awe of the mighty chief - forgetting that s/he is, ultimately, no better than they are. > >> Best Regards, >> >> Le 1 mai 2010 ? 21:41, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : >> >>> Nonsense: there is nothing to choose between Apple, Microsoft and Adobe; >>> and Macromedia wasn't any better, but for companies to survive they have >>> to eat smaller ones. While simple Darwinian theory may not make all that >>> much sense for explaining biology it seems pretty good for describing >>> certain aspects of corporate behaviour. >>> >>> All these companies remind me of Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia: >>> sign a treaty of 'eternal friendship' for as long as it serves your needs and >>> then turn around and kill each other's foot soldiers when the wind blows >>> the other way. >> -- >> Pierre Sahores >> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 >> >> www.woooooooords.com >> www.sahores-conseil.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 06:07:01 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 03:07:01 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502100702.TSCW29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> I am talking revolutionary innovations, not feature creep. From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 06:10:13 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 03:10:13 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502101015.VJQL18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> I meant "generalize and subsume" (word hinting is a killer app). -----Original Message----- From: Ren? Micout Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:34 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Even if I do not always understand the words of Randall, on the merits, I quite agree with what he says. Le 2 mai 2010 ? 02:11, Randall Lee Reetz a ?crit : > Also, adobe isn't doing any of its code "donkeys" any favors when it under exploits the market through old world protectionist business practices and an avoidance of future looking technology. As with retirement pools, an entity will never be able to sustain old obligations on the profits of old ideas. New ideas and new levels of profitability are the only way to pay the obligations owed to the inventors for efforts towards past innovations. If adobe really wants to profit from its own past it will have to figure out how to generalive and subsume the salient aspects of its IP to a layer new products and markets can build on top of. Holding on to software application markets born 20 years ago is a strategy born to fail. I think IBM Is a good lesson on how a company needs to think about maturing. Don't push your past solutions, push the human resources and resource management and infrastructure knowhow that your old product successes make evident. Sell the ability to make solutions, not solutions themselves. Give away the source as a way to market the minds. More money will flow in. Stock holders (the original innovators) will benefit more than thy would through draconian measures to extend the natural life of a product category. _______________________________________________ [The entire original message is not included] From psahores at free.fr Sun May 2 06:14:46 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:14:46 +0200 Subject: Is rev Oracle support just a joke? In-Reply-To: <4BDD441E.2060808@neurocard.fi> References: <910421.44563.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4AE7AAD5.7020202@neurocard.fi> <4AE87182.8010402@neurocard.fi> <4BDBF82C.70301@neurocard.fi> <4BDC8252.7090407@neurocard.fi> <4BDD441E.2060808@neurocard.fi> Message-ID: <0D6309BB-2DF3-4F74-AAF7-9A5FFC2CD19B@free.fr> Le 2 mai 2010 ? 11:21, Sakari Ruoho a ?crit : > Hi Pierre, > > I've tried 10g and 11g under Solaris and OS X with RunRev on OS X and Windows. I suppose I could get it working with middleware, but I don't think that's the idea if you promote that the product can connect directly to Oracle DB? True. > Can't use the build in db functions that way can you? I coul'nt at all... Best, Pierre > > BR, > > Sakari Ruoho > > Pierre Sahores wrote: >> Connecting Rev Entreprise to Oracle is not always simple but it worked always for me (to the end) for 8i, 9i or 10g, under Solaris (Rev 2.1.2), Linux and OS X in using 2 different ways : a Shell-based or a PHP-based middleware. >> >> Best, Pierre >> >> Le 1 mai 2010 ? 21:34, Sakari Ruoho a ?crit : >> >> >>> Hi Devin, >>> >>> I got Rev Enterprise. >>> >>> This is an old mail chain, which I just did revive today. Some info >>> should be available if you track back the chain. >>> >>> >>> BR, >>> >>> Sakari Ruoho >>> >>> >>> Devin Asay wrote: >>> >>>> On May 1, 2010, at 3:45 AM, Sakari Ruoho wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I still see that the RunRev website advertises that it works with Oracle. Last time I checked this was far from the thruth. Is this still the case? >>>>> >>>> What version of Rev do you have? Integrated support for Oracle database connectivity is only available in Rev Enterprise. See: >>>> >>>> http://www.runrev.com/products/the-rev-platform/editions-comparison/ >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Devin >>>> >>>> >>>> Devin Asay >>>> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center >>>> Brigham Young University >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Pierre Sahores >> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 >> >> www.woooooooords.com >> www.sahores-conseil.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 06:29:16 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 03:29:16 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502102918.TVUP29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Richard, I am not anti open-source. But I have noticed trends in the category. What I am frustrated with is the continual revisionist approach to software development... that photshop seemed great 20 years ago really doesn't mean we should still be subjected to it's awkwardness today. Nobody seems to be stepping back far enough to take in the full scope of the field of computation and ask "what is computation and where is it going in the long run?" without asking such questions we are bound to spend another 60 years building slightly better word processors instead of asking "what is it we are attempting to accomplish when we write?" So many of the issues we find so important are simply historical contingencies. Where is the progress? Just because an open source program is free doesn't mean it is better or more evolved than the $300 app it apes. Also, it is simply ridiculous to think that the average person is prepared or willing to put up with the technical bush wacking required of open source users. If a solution doesn't scale, it really isn't a solution. Presenting your personal go-it-alone mountain-man solutions as universal advise is crazy or macho. Lets get real. -----Original Message----- From: Richmond Mathewson Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:53 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 11:26, Ian Wood wrote: > > On 1 May 2010, at 23:44, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > >> I have yet to hear an open source advocate talk to the evolution of >> technology. > > Depends on your definitions. One of the big new features for CS5 > (content-aware fill) was already available as a plug=in for the GIMP. > > Ian Randall Lee Reetz has already declared his antipathy towards Open Source software so many times that this was sure to be his response to my posting. In an OPEN world (hey, look, Richmond is also using that over-used-and-abused word) there should be room for 100% Open Source stuff and 100% proprietary stuff and all possible stuff in between. I belong to a broad church that admits all levels and types of beliefs (well, at least as far as software is concerned). Open Source offerings have now reached a certain level of maturity that means they can compete with [The entire original message is not included] From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 06:39:41 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 03:39:41 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502103943.TXGH29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Yes, and there is a tendency in silicon valley for software engineers to never grow out of their inability to acknowledge exactly how statistically rare and strange are their views. When everyone you run into is exactly the same as yourself, there are no social control rods to keep your weird ideas from spinning out of reasonable scope. So few of the engineers I know can ask the big questions about the evolution of complexity handling machinery. And the scientists have long sence left computer "science". That computation defines (despite any long range plan) more and more of the future means we are in trouble as a species. Big trouble. -----Original Message----- From: Richmond Mathewson Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:57 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 11:31, Ren? Micout wrote: > Le 2 mai 2010 ? 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a ?crit : > >> It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. > Very difficult for a french to understand that ! > If English speaker dont speak English then "Je m'exprimerai en fran?ais sur ce forum !" > ;-)_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > Ayn Rand was a Hungarian who became an American; she advocated an extremely crude form of anarcho-capitalism. Her books are 2-dimensional exercises in projecting her ideas that are extremely popular with the 20-30 set who have been through their left-wing phase and are now experiencing their backlash reaction. Once people realise how 2-dimensional her ideas are and how they fail to account (just as Marxism does) for the nature of humanity they move on; normally giving up adopting extreme political postures. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list [The entire original message is not included] From psahores at free.fr Sun May 2 06:46:50 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:46:50 +0200 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: <4BDCDFCF.5040108@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BDCB31E.3070907@fourthworld.com> <4BDCDFCF.5040108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <7B177221-8BA9-493D-8E9D-48BA4CA654DD@free.fr> Le 2 mai 2010 ? 04:13, J. Landman Gay a ?crit : > This lack of professionalism in HC stacks was one of the reasons it was rarely regarded as a serious tool, and it gave HC a bad name generally. The number of really good stacks was pretty small. Unfair as it is, the quality of the output often reflects on the tools used rather than the authors. If there is ever a Rev app store, it needs to have lots of files, all of which pass a certain standard of professionalism. That means someone has to check and verify every submission, which would open a whole other can of worms. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sun May 2 06:57:50 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 11:57:50 +0100 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502100702.TSCW29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502100702.TSCW29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: On 2 May 2010, at 11:07, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I am talking revolutionary innovations, not feature creep. It's not clear who you're responding to here, but if it was my remark about content-aware fill then you have no idea how revolutionary some examples of feature creep can be in their field. Ian From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 07:00:15 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 04:00:15 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502110017.VRKV18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> The ayn rand-ers believe that consumers know enough to guide the direction of technology by voting at the apple app store or on amazon. But consumers can only choose from the current selection. People have a hard time imagining that which they can't hold in their hands right now. It is up to visionaries to innovate. Despite public opinion. I've used my computer for 25 years and it still has no idea who I am. If I haven't hit a key or touched the mouse button, it just sits there completely stupid-like. The power of a supercomputer in the role of typewriter. Ridiculous. Where are the open source projects that are attempting to actually evolve computing beyond typing and spreadsheets and watching tv? If the xtalk community was commuted to making sure that it was as amazing each year as hypercard was 25 years ago, I wouldn't feel so defeated or act so crotchity. Programming IS what it used to be... What a drag. -----Original Message----- From: Randall Lee Reetz Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:39 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Yes, and there is a tendency in silicon valley for software engineers to never grow out of their inability to acknowledge exactly how statistically rare and strange are their views. When everyone you run into is exactly the same as yourself, there are no social control rods to keep your weird ideas from spinning out of reasonable scope. So few of the engineers I know can ask the big questions about the evolution of complexity handling machinery. And the scientists have long sence left computer "science". That computation defines (despite any long range plan) more and more of the future means we are in trouble as a species. Big trouble. -----Original Message----- From: Richmond Mathewson Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:57 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 11:31, Ren? Micout wrote: > Le 2 mai 2010 ? 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a ?crit : > >> It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. > Very difficult for a french to understand that ! > If English speaker dont speak English then "Je m'exprimerai en fran?ais sur ce forum !" > ;-)_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list [The entire original message is not included] From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sun May 2 07:01:09 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 19:01:09 +0800 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BDD4A2F.2070800@gmail.com> References: <20100501192337.JXQN18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDC83F0.40108@gmail.com> <42A31D8A-538D-46B2-A7C6-161BDD163C4F@free.fr> <4BDD4A2F.2070800@gmail.com> Message-ID: (I removed the poster's name from this quote because my post is not directed at the person, but the idea that we are all equal) The tribesmen also forget that they can topple their chieftains quite > easily; they wander around with their mouths > hanging open in awe of the mighty chief - forgetting that s/he is, > ultimately, no better than they are. > > Hmmm, and far too often one thinks of oneself as being just as good if not better than someone else, when everyone else knows that isn't the case. I've been biting my tongue, not responding to personal comments within this thread , just to outside links referred to, because simply put, this is like Apple vs Windows, God vs No God, Republican vs Democrat, everyone has already made up their mind, they'll voice their opinion and will blindly refuse to consider any other... except for one person on this list who I won't name. So, in the interest of not trying to appear to counter anyone's argument I will try to denigrate myself as much as possible. If you had $1,000,000 to wager, who would you bet against, me vs Michael Schumacher in a F1 race me vs Roger Federer in a Tennis Match me vs Tiger Woods in infidelity me vs Lee Kwan Yew in running a country me vs Valentino Rossi in a MotoGP me vs Lance Armstrong in a cycling race me vs Michael Phelps in a swim race me vs Mozart in writing a symphony me vs Leonardo da Vinci in painting a female portrait me vs Steve Jobs in running Apple? All your choices will be based on track record and the FACT that we are NOT EQUAL. That every single one of us is different and that for a very very few they are stand out extraordinary. This whole thread has been sidetracked into pointless discussion about the freedom to develop with this tool or that tool or use this format or that format and seems to bypass the freedom of Steve Jobs to run his company. So read that last challenge again, and read it exactly how it is written, and again decide who really is going to make more money with Apple. And just in case you are still deluded into believe that your comments are right, and therefore you would be better at running Apple than Steve is, I'm hereby asking all readers of this thread to put forward the name of that Poster who's arguments are so right that they believe they'd do a better job at running Apple than Steve - and you can't nominate yourself ;-) Personally, I'll sell all my Apple stock if tomorrow Steve steps down and hands over to any one of you ;-) From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sun May 2 07:00:48 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:00:48 +0100 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502102918.TVUP29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502102918.TVUP29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: On 2 May 2010, at 11:29, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > What I am frustrated with is the continual revisionist approach to > software development... that photshop seemed great 20 years ago > really doesn't mean we should still be subjected to it's awkwardness > today. Which is why a lot of photographers now use LightRoom, Aperture or similar... Ian From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 07:06:44 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 04:06:44 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502110646.VSNZ18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Revolutionary? A supercomputer that has been trained to know where to paste a postal code? Doing alan turing proud! -----Original Message----- From: Ian Wood Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:57 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 2 May 2010, at 11:07, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I am talking revolutionary innovations, not feature creep. It's not clear who you're responding to here, but if it was my remark about content-aware fill then you have no idea how revolutionary some examples of feature creep can be in their field. Ian _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rjb at robelko.com Sun May 2 06:55:02 2010 From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:55:02 +0200 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: <949EF17C-41AD-48FE-8540-B7373A8149C4@free.fr> References: <949EF17C-41AD-48FE-8540-B7373A8149C4@free.fr> Message-ID: >And its stupid. Because the best way to promote a development >environment is to promote/ sell the apps that have been coded with >it. >I am waiting to see a revStore. With everything on it. This way John >Doe (not to mention Steve Jobs) will be able to judge if apps >developed with revolution can be great, inspiring, or if it's all >crap. An the more apps there will be, the better it will be for >everybody. revStore is a great idea for selling stuff for RunRev community of developers. RevSelect offers products hand-picked by RunRev, I think of them as officially sanctioned extensions to RunRev products. revStore could be more of a central marketplace, may be even with a place with stuff that is now given away for free. revStore is not a good idea for selling general/end-user apps made with RunRev. This could be better handled by having a Showcase area on the RunRev's web side. On one hand, there are the issues that Jacque described from her AOL past. On the other hand, there is whole spectrum of issues with competing with other venues that sell desktop software. There is nothing binding users fo products made with RunRev, like using same hardware, so there is nothing to draw them to revStore. On the contrary, bulk of RunRev-based products are for disjointed vertical markets. And I dare say that app users by large do not give a damn what tools their program was made with as long as it works and does what they need. Robert From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sun May 2 07:12:38 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:12:38 +0100 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502110646.VSNZ18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502110646.VSNZ18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <29B056BB-58FE-43AA-9B21-6C708D5D90E8@azurevision.co.uk> On 2 May 2010, at 12:06, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Revolutionary? A supercomputer that has been trained to know where > to paste a postal code? Doing alan turing proud! Please explain your comment. It makes no sense. :-( Ian From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 07:16:42 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 04:16:42 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502111644.VUEP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Are you kidding? These are revisionist applications exactly as I have noted. The only revolution in photo programs in the last 20 years is face recognition. But what has been done with it? Almost nothing. Is it available to rev programmers? Can it be generalized to learn any object? Does it get better as we all work with it? I can't wait for typewriter 10.8! -----Original Message----- From: Ian Wood Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:00 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 2 May 2010, at 11:29, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > What I am frustrated with is the continual revisionist approach to > software development... that photshop seemed great 20 years ago > really doesn't mean we should still be subjected to it's awkwardness > today. Which is why a lot of photographers now use LightRoom, Aperture or similar... Ian _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sun May 2 07:41:14 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:41:14 +0100 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502111644.VUEP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502111644.VUEP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <8D156497-7F59-4EDB-896E-96F86D7337A4@azurevision.co.uk> On 2 May 2010, at 12:16, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Are you kidding? No. > These are revisionist applications exactly as I have noted. Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. > The only revolution in photo programs in the last 20 years is face > recognition. Why is facial recognition revolutionary, but content-aware fill, non- destructive/parametric adjustments etc. etc. *not* revolutionary? > But what has been done with it? Almost nothing. What's 'almost nothing'? There are apps such as iPhoto which can auto- crop images to show just the faces, cameras which use facial recognition to choose where to focus or wait for the subject to smile to take the photo. At the moment you are just making yourself look ignorant. > Is it available to rev programmers? As far as I know there are command-line apps around. > Can it be generalized to learn any object? It's the other way around - facial recognition algorithms are mostly based on more general feature-recognition code (feature as in distinct areas of an image, not necessarily part of a face). Look up SIFT and similar stuff, it's what's revolutionised all kinds of panorama stitching and image alignment apps over the last 5-6 years. > Does it get better as we all work with it? Yes, most software that includes facial recognition *only* works at a useable level by using user-confirmed results to improve the hit-rate. Ian From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 08:02:50 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 15:02:50 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100501192337.JXQN18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDC83F0.40108@gmail.com> <42A31D8A-538D-46B2-A7C6-161BDD163C4F@free.fr> <4BDD4A2F.2070800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BDD69EA.9010200@gmail.com> (2 can play at that one) > (I removed the poster's name from this quote because my post is not > directed at the person, but the idea that we are all equal) No; of course we are not all equal. BUT we are all dependent on other people; no man is an island. Therefore the image of workers being exploited by socking great companies may not be all that useful. > The tribesmen also forget that they can topple their chieftains quite >> easily; they wander around with their mouths >> hanging open in awe of the mighty chief - forgetting that s/he is, >> ultimately, no better than they are. >> >> Hmmm, and far too often one thinks of oneself as being just as good if not > better than someone else, when everyone else knows that isn't the case. > I am quite sure I could neither write a symphony or do what Steve Jobs does (luckily this doesn't make me feel that I have missed out on something), and in those respects Mozart and Jobs are better than me. What I am also aware of it that if parents of kids who attend my language school stop sending their kids; buying my product; the effect will be similar on a personal basis as if people stop buying Apple products on Jobs. So, however brilliant Jobs is at his work, and me at mine; if we don't keep the punters happy (whether they actually know anything about computers or EFL teaching or not) we are done for. Now I (like Jobs) offer a service, and if my client base don't like what I offer they can either bring pressure to bear to change or they can leave; therefore, while I know far more about teaching EFL than all the parents of the children I teach, I am, nevertheless, at their mercy. The problem, and it is a problem, is that people in some position of authority tend to forget how dependent on their clients they are, and clients forget that even though authority figures have acquired some sort of mysterious glow they are still essentially there to serve them. I sincerely hope that Jobs and the chap at Adobe are aware of how dependent they are just as much as I do. All it would take is for another respected authority figure (David Pogue ???) to rubbish the iPad and the shares would go into freefall. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 08:03:57 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 15:03:57 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <29B056BB-58FE-43AA-9B21-6C708D5D90E8@azurevision.co.uk> References: <20100502110646.VSNZ18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <29B056BB-58FE-43AA-9B21-6C708D5D90E8@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <4BDD6A2D.20709@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 14:12, Ian Wood wrote: > > On 2 May 2010, at 12:06, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > >> Revolutionary? A supercomputer that has been trained to know where >> to paste a postal code? Doing alan turing proud! > > Please explain your comment. It makes no sense. :-( > His rarely do. I tend to wibble on; but you must at least allow that there is some method in my madness . . . :) From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 08:06:52 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 15:06:52 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502111644.VUEP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502111644.VUEP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4BDD6ADC.9010202@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 14:16, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > These are revisionist applications exactly as I have noted. The funny thing is that when I hear/see the word 'revisionist' it makes me think of Marxist critiques of Trotskyism and Holocaust deniers; neither of these meanings seem to line up with software applications. Another semantic shift perhaps; possibly only in Mr Reetz's private language ? Beam me up. From alptex2 at orwell.net Sun May 2 09:13:01 2010 From: alptex2 at orwell.net (Tim Ponn) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:13:01 -0400 Subject: Sudden Motion Sensor Message-ID: <8AD53E29-2F38-4699-AA82-81B94B69C7C2@orwell.net> Hello all! It's been hundreds of years since my last post, but I've been lurking! Does anyone here have a clue as to how to access the SMS output on a MacBook Pro? Thanks in advance! Best Regards, Timothy R. Ponn From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun May 2 09:20:29 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:20:29 +0200 Subject: Sudden Motion Sensor In-Reply-To: <8AD53E29-2F38-4699-AA82-81B94B69C7C2@orwell.net> References: <8AD53E29-2F38-4699-AA82-81B94B69C7C2@orwell.net> Message-ID: Hi Timothy, Someone on the SuperCard list found a solution, of which I'm sure it can be used with RunRev as well. I asked the person to tell me about it (he offerred) but he never got back to me :-( It would be great to know how to do this. Sorry for this useless reply :-) -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at http://www.twistaword.net Op 2 mei 2010, om 15:13 heeft Tim Ponn het volgende geschreven: > Hello all! It's been hundreds of years since my last post, but I've > been lurking! > > Does anyone here have a clue as to how to access the SMS output on a > MacBook Pro? > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Best Regards, > > Timothy R. Ponn From jrvalent at wisc.edu Sun May 2 09:41:26 2010 From: jrvalent at wisc.edu (rand valentine) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 08:41:26 -0500 Subject: Rev and the iPad Message-ID: I've been following the discussion a bit regarding Apple's policies that affect the likelihood that RevMobile will ever find its way onto the iPhone and iPad, and I appreciate the many perspectives offered, they've tempered my own contempt for SJ a bit, though not enough for me to confer any blessings. I'm wondering what is going to happen with our quite expensive RevMobile licenses -- perhaps it's too early to tell, but if I can't program for Apple mobile products, then I don?t really have any use for RevMobile, and I hope that Rev will simply allow me to transfer the cost of it to license renewals of versions of Rev that DO run on Apple products, though who knows when the proverbial wild hair will cause SJ to banish all but Objective C for my Mac as well. RevMobile was priced quite expensively, presumably under the assumption that it was the golden egg of Rev programming products that was finally going to get me that Lamborghini Countach. Now it's a brick, and we need to figure out what to do. We are all very loyal to Rev and its wonderful staff, but something reasonable will have to be done in the face of this disastrous development. I love the comments about HyperCard, because I too was there, especially the BAD stacks, which outnumbered GOOD stacks at least 50 to 1. I remember! I haven't gone NEAR the pattern palette since! I am a university professor, and did my dissertation research using HyperCard, a dialect survey of a North American aboriginal language spoken over much of Canada and the upper midwest of the U.S. HyperCard greatly enabled me to do REALLY GOOD research, and I continue to use Rev in, well, revolutionary ways in documentary linguistic work. I don't know what I'd use if it didn't exist, I use it every day for some programming need I have. It's not perfect-- the biggest problem for me is the lack of really transparent Unicode usage. But it is REALLY good. I am a language teacher, too, and I've used Rev to make some wonderful teaching tools, and that was my primary interest in using RevMobile, so that I could develop simple language learning tools for my students. I cannot effectively communicate my annoyance that someone can program yet another bloodbath game with stick figures but I cannot use the iPad to circulate language learning programs for a dying language because I happen to use a program that SJ has decided to sort with the goats. This is not an idle issue for me. I also use FMTouch, a really cute implementation of part of FileMaker on the iDevice. My impression is that they are in some way up a creek just as Rev is regarding enabling third party access to the vaunted App Store. They have a wiki discussing various programming/implementation issues and talk about something called Application Provisioning, here http://www.fmwebschool.com/reference/FMTouch_Reference#Application_Provision ing It seems that this would be relevant to just about anything we might to do with deploying to an iDevice. rand valentine From jerry.daniels at me.com Sun May 2 09:47:04 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 08:47:04 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100501224417.LWCX29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <482729AF-F53F-4C6C-AD66-97E20E2DA56A@me.com> Equally difficult for this English-speaking American to understand. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 2, 2010, at 3:31 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > > Le 2 mai 2010 ? 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a ?crit : > >> It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. > > Very difficult for a french to understand that ! > If English speaker dont speak English then "Je m'exprimerai en fran?ais sur ce forum !" > ;-)_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jerry.daniels at me.com Sun May 2 09:51:43 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 08:51:43 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100502001140.NFMC29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> <597D5F4F-A1E1-4AD3-99BD-99D4ACDA3A5E@me.com> Message-ID: <9D6446B1-53E6-4565-94D8-60B5DA249D4F@me.com> There is, however, a back door to THE PLATFORM. I think I have found a way, but I need to test it. If it has merit I will commercialize it. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 2, 2010, at 3:43 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Yes, > And this is for me, now, at microscopic scale, the same thing with RunRev. > The difference is that I have not enough talent to master Objective C (and English also !!) > ;-) > > Le 2 mai 2010 ? 06:49, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > >> Great short article that I believe accurately describes the corporate culture behind Apple's platform lock down. >> >> Mark Bernstein: Platform Control >> >> http://www.markbernstein.org/Apr10/PlatformControl.html >> >> (via Instapaper) >> >> Best, >> >> Jerry Daniels >> >> Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: >> http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Sun May 2 10:05:24 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 11:05:24 -0300 Subject: An Erlang IDE and interactive shell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeff, This is wonderful! Can you write some words on how you're communicating with the REPL, are you using something like "open process" or is it a TCP/IP exchange like SLIME & Friends. About your colorization, is that a Rev field with some kind of HTMLText set with that disclosure triangle being an image or is it something like RevBrowser window? I am building a little editor to talk to ARC (http://arclanguage.org) so I'd really like your thoughts! As for Erlang, I think it is really cool, almost bought that O'Reilly Erlang book last week, I have some concurrency problems to solve and the current C code is almost unmaintainable. I think creating your own tools to solve jobs like these is one of the places that Rev trully shines. Cheers and congratulations on your editor! Andre On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > I'm not sure if anyone else here also happens to program in Erlang, but > it's > something I do quite often and I really hate that there's no real good IDE > for it. Anyway, last weekend I decided to put one together in Rev... just > something simple that had syntax highlighting and would allow me to > interact > with the Erlang shell like a simple REPL, but from the editor: > > http://massj.on-rev.com/im/Erlang_IDE.png > > Current feature set: > > * Scratchpad mode where nothing is saved > * Syntax highlighting (as you type) > * Tabbed editor let's you edit many files at once > * Compile modules directly to a running Erlang shell > * Send any line of code in the editor directly to the REPL > * Errors from the shell are captured and turn into links to the source > files > * See a list of all running, named processes > > If no one here programs Erlang, well, just know that this was another > shining point for Rev... an entire editor in a weekend, communicating with > another programming language's REPL shell. But, should someone here be > interested in trying it out to help offer some wishlist items, etc, please > feel free to email me and let me know your operating system and I'll send > you a compiled version to test. > > Cheers, > > Jeff M. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Sun May 2 10:51:21 2010 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 14:51:21 +0000 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BDD3E7B.2090400@gmail.com> References: <20100501224417.LWCX29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox><4BDD3E7B.2090400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <510648448-1272811208-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-426168071-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Wow. My feelings exactly. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Richmond Mathewson Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 11:57:31 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 11:31, Ren? Micout wrote: > Le 2 mai 2010 ? 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a ?crit : > >> It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. > Very difficult for a french to understand that ! > If English speaker dont speak English then "Je m'exprimerai en fran?ais sur ce forum !" > ;-)_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > Ayn Rand was a Hungarian who became an American; she advocated an extremely crude form of anarcho-capitalism. Her books are 2-dimensional exercises in projecting her ideas that are extremely popular with the 20-30 set who have been through their left-wing phase and are now experiencing their backlash reaction. Once people realise how 2-dimensional her ideas are and how they fail to account (just as Marxism does) for the nature of humanity they move on; normally giving up adopting extreme political postures. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sun May 2 10:57:51 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 07:57:51 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100502102918.TVUP29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: > > What I am frustrated with is the continual revisionist approach to > > software development... that photshop seemed great 20 years > ago really > > doesn't mean we should still be subjected to it's awkwardness today. > > Which is why a lot of photographers now use LightRoom, > Aperture or similar... There are a lot of older applications that do not follow modern guidelines - they pretty much predated the guidelines. The problem with older apps is that for all the users who get truly fed up with their arcane workflow, there are many, many others who have spent a decade perfecting their knowledge of how to do things with it. Vendors think twice about upsetting them. Think about institutional buyers who purchase several thousand units at at time, and then face the prospect of having to retrain their people. My software publishing company Mirye publishes a 3D application that was first released in 1986. I believe that pre-dates even MAX. But both Shade and MAX do things their own way, because there are so many people who would be very upset if they were changed to the core. What the Shade guys do though is add new functionality and UI and make it possible to turn them off, or reconfigure the UI in a way that you can stick to the old tried-and-true methods. And yeah, I never liked Photoshop, but really like Fireworks ;-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sun May 2 11:03:59 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 08:03:59 -0700 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: <4BDCB31E.3070907@fourthworld.com> References: <4BDCB31E.3070907@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <9A02F2811EEC4901868B34C609FBBE42@GATEWAY> > I agree they're useful ones. When people look at a tool like > Rev they want to see there's a sizable afternarket as an > indicator of viability. > So it benefits RunRev more than anyone else to improve the > presentation of third-party offerings all over their site. It probably won't be too long until we get Franklin 3D for Runrev (http://www.franklin3d.com) into the RevStore. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sun May 2 11:07:42 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 08:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1272812862031-2122882.post@n4.nabble.com> If you boil this thing down to the essentials, it seems to go like this: Is it important to have one set of tools which do both desktop and mobile apps? If yes, then can you get this with OSX and App Store? If yes to this, do you really need Android as well right now? You could argue it turns into a nice to have only, so you'll focus on the App Store, and that you are excused in this case from any need to clean up the Linux Rev offering or do Android any time soon. I think this would be a mistake, but you can see reasonable people arguing that resource is limited, and with an Apple centered user community, maybe it would carry the day. If no to this, ie you can't get into the App Store, can you get one set of tools for mobile and desktop on Android and Linux Desktop? If yes to this, is the market for Linux development tools viable for Rev, in conjunction with Android? If so, get busy PDQ on cleaning up Rev for Linux, do Android functionality, and go. It seems that there are a couple of things you can't or shouldn't try for as Rev in this situation. One is to retreat from the App Store and not have a mobile alternative. There only seems to be one of these, Android. But to do Android you have to clean up the Linux offering if you are to offer one environment. It does seem increasingly likely that cross platform in this industry doesn't any more mean Linux Mac and Windows, it means mobile and desktop and network. Another would be, leave Linux as is, and just focus on Android. Cross contamination will kill this one. This stuff is really difficult. Scenario planning is just about the only way for a group to get to the bottom of these kinds of choices, but its a lot of work. On the other hand, these are basic issues about the business, so you cannot avoid navigating through them. Its a matter of do you do it well or badly. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Rev-and-the-iPad-tp2122802p2122882.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sun May 2 11:11:57 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 11:11:57 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BDD4A2F.2070800@gmail.com> References: <20100501192337.JXQN18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDC83F0.40108@gmail.com> <42A31D8A-538D-46B2-A7C6-161BDD163C4F@free.fr> <4BDD4A2F.2070800@gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't want a chieftain but I like being a tribesman. The RunRev Tribe.... On May 2, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 02/05/2010 12:37, Pierre Sahores wrote: >> The way the present worldwide civil war acts vhere the monopolistic entreprises candidates are the fighters/armies and workers/peoples the victims. Until when ?... > > As I am not a left-winger I do not see a polarisation between workers and monopolistic enterprises; after all, monopolistic > enterprises consist of people. > > The whole thing looks like an all-too human problem: people like to belong to tribes, and tribes like to have chieftains. > > The trouble is that very, very few chieftains care about their tribesmen, and forget that they are chieftains only at the > sufferance of their tribesmen. > > The tribesmen also forget that they can topple their chieftains quite easily; they wander around with their mouths > hanging open in awe of the mighty chief - forgetting that s/he is, ultimately, no better than they are. > >> Best Regards, >> >> Le 1 mai 2010 ? 21:41, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : >> >>> Nonsense: there is nothing to choose between Apple, Microsoft and Adobe; >>> and Macromedia wasn't any better, but for companies to survive they have >>> to eat smaller ones. While simple Darwinian theory may not make all that >>> much sense for explaining biology it seems pretty good for describing >>> certain aspects of corporate behaviour. >>> >>> All these companies remind me of Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia: >>> sign a treaty of 'eternal friendship' for as long as it serves your needs and >>> then turn around and kill each other's foot soldiers when the wind blows >>> the other way. >> -- >> Pierre Sahores >> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 >> >> www.woooooooords.com >> www.sahores-conseil.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 11:23:01 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 08:23:01 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502152303.WYFO29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Really, the word "revisionist" is no longer to be used? There are quite a few words in the marxist cannon, in manifestos large and small by villains throughout history, are all of these words off limits? Should we wait until you inform us so that we might fall into line according to your word retirement program? Richard, I suggest that you refrain from grade school level arguments and argue points on the merits of their content. Your attempts at defamation are obvious and childish. You have been bullying this list for years. I have received numerous personal off-list emails by people who simply refuse to post after being subject on too many times to your personal attacks. Views on issues can be stated even in angry tones without attacking the character individuals who write in debate. Maybe you would prefer to make fun of my face or clothing? Should I post a picture? Maybe you would like to say something rude about my parents or where I live? Would that help shore up your arguments? Please. -----Original Message----- From: Richmond Mathewson Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 5:06 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 14:16, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > These are revisionist applications exactly as I have noted. The funny thing is that when I hear/see the word 'revisionist' it makes me think of Marxist critiques of Trotskyism and Holocaust deniers; neither of these meanings seem to line up with software applications. Another semantic shift perhaps; possibly only in Mr Reetz's private language ? Beam me up. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 11:36:46 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 18:36:46 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100501192337.JXQN18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDC83F0.40108@gmail.com> <42A31D8A-538D-46B2-A7C6-161BDD163C4F@free.fr> <4BDD4A2F.2070800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BDD9C0E.2030501@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 18:11, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I don't want a chieftain but I like being a tribesman. > > The RunRev Tribe.... Well then; isn't it time we heard something from the chief? > On May 2, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> On 02/05/2010 12:37, Pierre Sahores wrote: >>> The way the present worldwide civil war acts vhere the monopolistic entreprises candidates are the fighters/armies and workers/peoples the victims. Until when ?... >> As I am not a left-winger I do not see a polarisation between workers and monopolistic enterprises; after all, monopolistic >> enterprises consist of people. >> >> The whole thing looks like an all-too human problem: people like to belong to tribes, and tribes like to have chieftains. >> >> The trouble is that very, very few chieftains care about their tribesmen, and forget that they are chieftains only at the >> sufferance of their tribesmen. >> >> The tribesmen also forget that they can topple their chieftains quite easily; they wander around with their mouths >> hanging open in awe of the mighty chief - forgetting that s/he is, ultimately, no better than they are. >> >> From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 2 12:04:42 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 18:04:42 +0200 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: <4BDCDFCF.5040108@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BDCB31E.3070907@fourthworld.com> <4BDCDFCF.5040108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <51656122-7A9B-4EA2-B9F2-8332BCF665D6@numericable.com> YES ! Le 2 mai 2010 ? 04:13, J. Landman Gay a ?crit : > But with caution. I'm in favor of keeping it out of the spotlight until there are many more apps available, hundreds hopefully. A few meager offerings is not inspiring. > > And they have to be quality offerings. As someone who had to review and release hundreds of HC stacks to the AOL libraries, I know that 99% of what came in was pure crap. Because HC was so accessible, everyone thought they were a developer. Avoidance of even the suggestion of a HIG was the norm. Radio buttons used as checkboxes or pushbuttons ("because I like how they look,") menus missing or out of order ("I don't need an Edit menu,") known commercial app icons (MacWrite) used for private stack purposes ("go cd images",) you name it. Virtually everything about these stacks was wrong. Outsiders scoffed. Rightfully. > > And then there were the kids. I wavered between disgust and delight. Their stacks were invariably flip card animations done with crude line drawings, generally on topics humorous to nine year olds. "Kill Barney" was very popular, we had probably a dozen of those, not counting the rejected ones. The weapon of choice varied from guns (all models) to swords and knives; one stick man farted old Barney to death. We had to make a separate library for these and tag them with editorial code words like "simple line drawings" so that everyone else would know not to download them. > > This lack of professionalism in HC stacks was one of the reasons it was rarely regarded as a serious tool, and it gave HC a bad name generally. The number of really good stacks was pretty small. Unfair as it is, the quality of the output often reflects on the tools used rather than the authors. If there is ever a Rev app store, it needs to have lots of files, all of which pass a certain standard of professionalism. That means someone has to check and verify every submission, which would open a whole other can of worms. > > I confess though, in retrospect I really do wish I'd saved a copy of "Man Gets Beheaded By a Ceiling Fan." You had to be there. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun May 2 12:10:35 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:10:35 -0700 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: References: <20100502013121.6C181288135@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <641576265218.20100502091035@ahsoftware.net> Graham- Saturday, May 1, 2010, 8:56:43 PM, you wrote: > I started with the lesson I quoted but sort of diverged and only > had a small section of the code. By the time I posted the question > on "revert" I was more interested in just that, than the full > externals bit. Your original message was about the code in the lesson not working properly for you. If you look at the externals instead of the externalPackages then it should. If you're asking about debugging a *different* piece of code, then I can't help without some clues. Like posting the actual code you're using, rather than something similar. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From rman at free.fr Sun May 2 12:25:58 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: <9A02F2811EEC4901868B34C609FBBE42@GATEWAY> References: <4BDCB31E.3070907@fourthworld.com> <9A02F2811EEC4901868B34C609FBBE42@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <1272817558998-2122970.post@n4.nabble.com> It seems one strenght of the apple store is to provide a security mechanism for payment and for the app authentification. It's not just about setting up an app store, there are services around it. But there is zygodact and for the payment part, payPal seems pretty good by now. As a first step, there is a treshold, a minimum number of apps, somebody or runrev should keep track of all apps available and first step would be to have a public counter showing how many apps, and a number set, above which e revStore would be launched? I suspect though that some developpers would rther NOT let know they used runrev as a dev platform to keep the curtain down... and stay away from the kid platform effect related to hypercard... So far it is not so difficult to set up an individual store for mac & pc. Until.. ? To me the real move would be to provide a MULTI-PLATFORM revStore for pc, mac AND mobiles, including iPhones (even if that requires to jailBreak..) (by the way I have yet not understood how the hell apple can tell wether an app has been or not developped natively in xCode?) -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RevStore-tp2122371p2122970.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From chipp at chipp.com Sun May 2 12:36:22 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 11:36:22 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502152303.WYFO29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502152303.WYFO29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: LOL, I don't spend much time on this list anymore. The only reason I'm even reading this thread is I, too, out of the blue, received off-list messages regarding your incite full posts. And, I feel humbled in the presence of the only visionary thinker in the world with regard to software. I'm with you, Randall. I think we should pile up and burn all these pretender and derivative programs, like Photosop, Mathematica and Xcode-- hell, I could probably write any of these simplistic mind-numbing tools in a weekend with Rev (but only if I wish to waste valuable time which I could be pontificating the ininess, or lack thereof, of my navel). I suspect that like myself, you too believe Rev is the gateway to this newer, richer class of software where the computer ceases to be "a typewriter" and finally "knows who you are" and that is why you continue to post here in the use-revolution list and not on some politicorum. (great word-- just made it up, feel free to use it.) On Sunday, May 2, 2010, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I have received numerous personal off-list emails by people who simply refuse to post after being subject on too many times to your personal attacks. From chipp at chipp.com Sun May 2 12:56:21 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 11:56:21 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100502152303.WYFO29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: And regarding the obvious and impending from Jacque-- Yes, of course it's an innie. From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 13:07:37 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 10:07:37 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502170738.QUYK23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Adobe didn't conceive postscript, photshop, illustrator, flash, etc. Mathematica isn't derivative. Wolfram (for all I rail on his philosophy) is one of the last remaining computer scientists. I think there is something about the act of writing software the way we've been doing it that either strips the science out of us or keeps the scientists away. Wolfram is an interesting guy. His mathematica is like most of this first wave software simply a digital "analog" of a tool we did manually before. Yet at the same time, he actively promotes the idea of properties and tools unique to computation (his "new" kind of science). Anyway, this discussion was about steve jobs when I think it should be about adobe's all to familiar entrenchment approach to "innovation". This, once the disappointment and anger wears off is what has driven steve jobs into such unpopular and dangerous a stance. Like all tertiary species, runrev can only eat the debris that falls to the ocean floor. When xtalk was abandoned by apple, that was the day the music really died. -----Original Message----- From: Chipp Walters Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:36 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue LOL, I don't spend much time on this list anymore. The only reason I'm even reading this thread is I, too, out of the blue, received off-list messages regarding your incite full posts. And, I feel humbled in the presence of the only visionary thinker in the world with regard to software. I'm with you, Randall. I think we should pile up and burn all these pretender and derivative programs, like Photosop, Mathematica and Xcode-- hell, I could probably write any of these simplistic mind-numbing tools in a weekend with Rev (but only if I wish to waste valuable time which I could be pontificating the ininess, or lack thereof, of my navel). I suspect that like myself, you too believe Rev is the gateway to this newer, richer class of software where the computer ceases to be "a typewriter" and finally "knows who you are" and that is why you continue to post here in the use-revolution list and not on some politicorum. (great word-- just made it up, feel free to use it.) On Sunday, May 2, 2010, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I have received numerous personal off-list emails by people who simply refuse to post after being subject on too many times to your personal attacks From massung at gmail.com Sun May 2 13:10:28 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:10:28 -0500 Subject: An Erlang IDE and interactive shell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > > This is wonderful! Can you write some words on how you're communicating > with > the REPL, are you using something like "open process" or is it a TCP/IP > exchange like SLIME & Friends. > I'm using open process with read/write process as well. There's just a message loop running in the background periodically checking for more data from the Erlang shell. Something akin to: on pingShell if sErl is not among the lines of the openProcesses then exit pingShell end if read from process sErl until empty ## .. put it into the terminal shell and scroll it down .. send "pingShell" to me in 200 milliseconds end pingShell > About your colorization, is that a Rev field with some kind of HTMLText set > with that disclosure triangle being an image or is it something like > RevBrowser window? > It's just a simple Rev field. Nothing special about it other than there is no background (it is not opaque and I turned off the showBorder property. The background is just a rectangle graphic with a gradient applied to it. Erlang syntax is pretty simple because it doesn't allow for multi-line comments. For that reason, highlighting a single line as you type is fairly trivial. I tokenize each line with a set of very simple regular expressions. After the line is tokenized I end up with a token list that looks something like this: decl,1,8 keyword,10,14 string,21,34 After that, it's just a simple loop with a switch statement re-colorizing the line based on the token type and where it happens to be. As for the disclosure triangle, well, that's a bit of a joke for me and my friends. Rev doesn't allow for color cursors [in 4.0] and I don't want to use the developer preview quite yet, and with the dark background the mouse can get lost in the editor. The triangle just follows the mouse so it's easier to find. Once I get 4.5 and can drop in the color cursor I want it will be much nicer. I am building a little editor to talk to ARC (http://arclanguage.org) so I'd > really like your thoughts! > Ah yes, Paul Graham's little toy. ;-) If you haven't looked at it yet, I'd highly recommend Ypsilon over Arc (a Scheme implementation that's quite exceptional). Regardless of whatever language you use, something I implemented as a test in my Erlang editor that turned into one heluva kick ass feature was shift+return... Basically, any line you are editing, just hit shift+return and it will highlight and send that line to the REPL of the running shell so you can see what happens (in Lisp/Scheme I'd probably take it a step further and make it match the nearest ()'s and send the entire block of text). Better still, my friends and I wanted to have a way of sending example code over to the REPL as well within our sources without actually corrupting the source file and breaking compilation. For that reason, I also made it so that lines that were commented in a special way could also be sent over as commands. It's amazing how much more readable the source code is when you can directly show the reader how to use it and they can even test it out immediately. For example (from the screenshot): pips () -> [2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,jack,queen,king,ace]. suits () -> [clubs,diamonds,hearts,spades]. deck () -> [{Pip,Suit} || Pip <- pips(), Suit <- suits()]. % Use deck() to generate a list of all cards... %-poker:deck(). The "%" token is the beginning of a comment. But, if you begin your comment with "%-" you can also execute it on the REPL by using shift+return. So you can compile the code and try it out without editing anything. It has improved productivity considerably! > As for Erlang, I think it is really cool, almost bought that O'Reilly > Erlang > book last week, I have some concurrency problems to solve and the current C > code is almost unmaintainable. > Erlang takes a little getting used to since it's functional. But the message passing paradigm is quite powerful and the Erlang VM is unbelievably good at handling thousands and thousands of processes running concurrently. If you do anything with web servers, I'd recommend looking at Erlang as a web server. It's wonderful. Hope this helps, Jeff M. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 13:35:49 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 20:35:49 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502170738.QUYK23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502170738.QUYK23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4BDDB7F5.8060707@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 20:07, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Adobe didn't conceive postscript, photshop, illustrator, flash, etc. Mathematica isn't derivative. Wolfram (for all I rail on his philosophy) is one of the last remaining computer scientists. I think there is something about the act of writing software the way we've been doing it that either strips the science out of us or keeps the scientists away. Wolfram is an interesting guy. His mathematica is like most of this first wave software simply a digital "analog" of a tool we did manually before. Yet at the same time, he actively promotes the idea of properties and tools unique to computation (his "new" kind of science). Anyway, this discussion was about steve jobs when I think it should be about adobe's all to familiar entrenchment approach to "innovation". This, once the disappointment and anger wears off is what has driven steve jobs into such unpopular and dangerous a stance. Like all tertiary species, runrev can only eat the debris that falls to the ocean floor. When xtalk was abandoned by apple, that was the day the music really died. > Fair point, Randall: "adobe's all to familiar entrenchment approach to "innovation" "; but that is a problem that tends to happen with ALL successful organisations (including Apple); they become complacent and slack off. Unfortunately, like it or not, the vast majority of folk use their computers as nothing more than typewriters and video-phones, home entertainment centres and mind-numbing devices; and, despite your ideals, and mine (however much they may differ; and I suspect not as much as you might think); it is again the old problem about who pays for the bread and cheese. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About 3 hours ago my wife and I went for a walk in a park here in Plovdiv; from the hill in the centre of the park I could see 3 shopping malls under construction: I groaned. My wife then pointed out that if that was what the majority of people wanted then that is what they should get. I then pointed that a society where the 90% of the people are permanently glued to 'prole-feed' on the telly or the computer, and for their exercise went to cruise in the malls and mindlessly spend money have the vote was not really the sort of society I wanted to be a part of she agreed, but pointed out that there was precious little we could do about it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "When xtalk was abandoned by apple, that was the day the music really died. " All cultures hark back to a semi-mythical golden age, that on closer examination turns out to have been nothing of the sort. You should have been at the Edinburgh conference (apart from the fact that you and I might have been arrested for savaging each other); there was quite a considerable amount of 'music' and the air really was fizzing! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Like all tertiary species, runrev can only eat the debris that falls to the ocean floor. " I think that that is being a bit unkind. After all Runrev does work on Linux, where (despite your dislike for Open Source) there is more room for individual initiative and movement than in the relatively tightly controlled worlds of Mac and Windows. From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 2 13:41:08 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 13:41:08 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BDDB7F5.8060707@gmail.com> References: <20100502170738.QUYK23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDDB7F5.8060707@gmail.com> Message-ID: On May 2, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > About 3 hours ago my wife and I went for a walk in a park here in Plovdiv; from the hill in the centre of > the park I could see 3 shopping malls under construction: I groaned. My wife then pointed out that if > that was what the majority of people wanted then that is what they should get. I heard that Steve Jobs is opening a supermarket, and will sell a wide range of products. But he'll only stock products that are made from veggie burgers. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 2 13:41:59 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 12:41:59 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502111644.VUEP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502111644.VUEP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4BDDB967.5020509@hyperactivesw.com> Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Are you kidding? These are revisionist applications exactly as I > have noted. The only revolution in photo programs in the last 20 > years is face recognition. But what has been done with it? Almost > nothing. Is it available to rev programmers? Can it be generalized > to learn any object? Does it get better as we all work with it? I > can't wait for typewriter 10.8! There have been innumerable fiction stories written about computers that acquire AI. Be careful what you wish for. I even get irritated at spell checkers that try to complete my thoughts for me. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 13:49:04 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 10:49:04 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502174906.YXL18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> If you follow the w3c you will notice a direction towards making a vector based description language the core of web graphics. That will leave adobe in the same position it has put all of its customers for years, the only option is to sell an IDE or editor that supports the web standard. Browsers will be able to naively unpack and display motion vector based video as per the world wide standard. Apple and microsoft are only too happy to push towards this agenda if only knock the village bully down. And it is about time. Anyone remember NAPALPS (i that how it was spelled?) the vector based content protocol the french and canadian web used? Its not like macromedia invented flash or its concept. -----Original Message----- From: Randall Lee Reetz Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:07 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Adobe didn't conceive postscript, photshop, illustrator, flash, etc. Mathematica isn't derivative. Wolfram (for all I rail on his philosophy) is one of the last remaining computer scientists. I think there is something about the act of writing software the way we've been doing it that either strips the science out of us or keeps the scientists away. Wolfram is an interesting guy. His mathematica is like most of this first wave software simply a digital "analog" of a tool we did manually before. Yet at the same time, he actively promotes the idea of properties and tools unique to computation (his "new" kind of science). Anyway, this discussion was about steve jobs when I think it should be about adobe's all to familiar entrenchment approach to "innovation". This, once the disappointment and anger wears off is what has driven steve jobs into such unpopular and dangerous a stance. Like all tertiary species, runrev can only eat the debris that falls to the ocean floor. When xtalk was abandoned by apple, that was the day the music really died. -----Original Message----- From: Chipp Walters Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:36 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue LOL, I don't spend much time on this list anymore. [The entire original message is not included] From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 13:56:43 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 10:56:43 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502175645.ZKOM29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Ok, a real discussion. People choose the best choice available to them. The choices we in computerdom have offered are not exactly overwhelming in their scope. If my choice is between a horrible spreadsheet, a really snappy one, and a game that makes me feel like I full a fliing dinosaur world, guess what the royal I will choose. Can you blame me? As computers have become a million times faster software has become about three times better. That isn't a very proud ratio. The revolution to come is a revolution of self evolving software that never sleeps, is using the most hardware it can round up, and wants to learn so that it ca help us. That is the kind of jump in choice the public deserves. Until then, I cheer the public even if I am not always one of them. -----Original Message----- From: Richmond Mathewson Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:35 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 20:07, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Adobe didn't conceive postscript, photshop, illustrator, flash, etc. Mathematica isn't derivative. Wolfram (for all I rail on his philosophy) is one of the last remaining computer scientists. I think there is something about the act of writing software the way we've been doing it that either strips the science out of us or keeps the scientists away. Wolfram is an interesting guy. His mathematica is like most of this first wave software simply a digital "analog" of a tool we did manually before. Yet at the same time, he actively promotes the idea of properties and tools unique to computation (his "new" kind of science). Anyway, this discussion was about steve jobs when I think it should be about adobe's all to familiar entrenchment approach to "innovation". This, once the disappointment and anger wears off is what has driven steve jobs into such unpopular and dangerous a stance. Like all tertiary species, runrev can only eat the debris that falls to the ocean floor. When xtalk was abandoned by apple, that was the day the music really died. > Fair point, Randall: "adobe's all to familiar entrenchment approach to "innovation" "; but that is a problem that tends to happen with ALL successful organisations (including Apple); they become complacent and slack off. Unfortunately, like it or not, the vast majority of folk use their computers as nothing more than typewriters and video-phones, home entertainment centres and mind-numbing devices; and, despite your ideals, and mine (however much they may differ; and I suspect not as much as you might think); it is again the old problem about who pays for the bread and cheese From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 14:00:23 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 11:00:23 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502180025.ZLZS29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Yes, and what of vampires and the day we run out of batteries! The end is coming! -----Original Message----- From: J. Landman Gay Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:41 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Are you kidding? These are revisionist applications exactly as I > have noted. The only revolution in photo programs in the last 20 > years is face recognition. But what has been done with it? Almost > nothing. Is it available to rev programmers? Can it be generalized > to learn any object? Does it get better as we all work with it? I > can't wait for typewriter 10.8! There have been innumerable fiction stories written about computers that acquire AI. Be careful what you wish for. I even get irritated at spell checkers that try to complete my thoughts for me. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 14:04:52 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 11:04:52 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502180454.ZNXD29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Ok, a real discussion. People choose the best choice available to them. The choices we in computerdom have offered are not exactly overwhelming in their scope. If my choice is between a horrible spreadsheet, a really snappy one, and a game that makes me feel like I rule a flying dinosaur world with angelena jolee, guess what the royal "I" will always choose. Can you blame "me"? As computers have become a million times faster software has become about three times better. That isn't a very proud ratio. The revolution to come is a revolution of self evolving software that never sleeps, is using the most hardware it can round up, and wants to learn so that it can help us. That is the kind of jump in choice the public deserves. Until then, I cheer the public even if I am not always one of them. -----Original Message----- From: Richmond Mathewson Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:35 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 20:07, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Adobe didn't conceive postscript, photshop, illustrator, flash, etc. Mathematica isn't derivative. Wolfram (for all I rail on his philosophy) is one of the last remaining computer scientists. I think there is something about the act of writing software the way we've been doing it that either strips the science out of us or keeps the scientists away. Wolfram is an interesting guy. His mathematica is like most of this first wave software simply a digital "analog" of a tool we did manually before. Yet at the same t [The entire original message is not included] From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 2 14:05:05 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 13:05:05 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100502152303.WYFO29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4BDDBED1.6050605@hyperactivesw.com> Chipp Walters wrote: > And regarding the obvious and impending from Jacque-- Yes, of course > it's an innie. LOL! I wouldn't presume to ask. :) On the other hand, we only have your word for it... -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From davidocoker at gmail.com Sun May 2 14:15:07 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 13:15:07 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100502152303.WYFO29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: >The only reason I'm even reading this thread is I, too, out of > the blue, received off-list messages regarding your incite full > posts. And, I feel humbled in the presence of the only > visionary thinker in the world with regard to software. I typically avoid participation in threads like this, but I just have to this time around... Outside of the "knee deep in B.S." factor, I find it a bit unusual for such to be spewed forth from a "visionary" who's web site currently has the following content: rhetoric - under construction ideas - under construction future - under construction ...a tad bit of food for thought. Regards, David C. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 2 14:26:16 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 13:26:16 -0500 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDDC3C8.1060002@hyperactivesw.com> rand valentine wrote: > RevMobile was priced quite expensively, > presumably under the assumption that it was the golden egg of Rev > programming products that was finally going to get me that Lamborghini > Countach. Now it's a brick, and we need to figure out what to do. We are all > very loyal to Rev and its wonderful staff, but something reasonable will > have to be done in the face of this disastrous development. If RR must conclude that they cannot support iPhone, I am positive they will be responsible about your purchase and offer alternatives. That isn't something I'd worry about. > > I love the comments about HyperCard, because I too was there, especially the > BAD stacks, which outnumbered GOOD stacks at least 50 to 1. Last night I was looking through my ancient AOL archives because I really did hope I'd saved a copy of some of those kiddie stacks. No luck, except for the original "Barney Dies!!!" (can't recall offhand if there were three or four exclamation points) which was misfiled and therefore inadvertently backed up. I'm sorry now we didn't download the kiddie library when we were doing the final backups before the forum was killed off. I'm consiering turning it into a revlet for old times sake. What's spooky is that the author is probably in his thirties by now with a nine year old of his own. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun May 2 14:33:25 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 11:33:25 -0700 Subject: Ink Settings and Printing In-Reply-To: <4BDCB5BC.8080808@comcast.net> Message-ID: Recently, Marty Knapp wrote: > I'm trying to print a card with a jpeg image on it and have noticed that > when I set the Ink to anything other than the standard srcCopy that the > image quality suffers noticeably. I think I tired every setting that > allows underlaying objects to show through the white bounding box of my > jpeg - which is what I need. Has anyone else tried something like this? > > I've tried this also with png images and gif images as well- all seems > to suffer when set to (for example) "blendMultiply." Marty, have you tried creating a snapshot of the card first, and then printing the snapshot? Might work better than trying to force the inks/image formats. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 14:35:33 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 21:35:33 +0300 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BDDC3C8.1060002@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BDDC3C8.1060002@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BDDC5F5.6050207@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 21:26, J. Landman Gay wrote: > rand valentine wrote: >> RevMobile was priced quite expensively, >> presumably under the assumption that it was the golden egg of Rev >> programming products that was finally going to get me that Lamborghini >> Countach. Now it's a brick, and we need to figure out what to do. We >> are all >> very loyal to Rev and its wonderful staff, but something reasonable will >> have to be done in the face of this disastrous development. > > If RR must conclude that they cannot support iPhone, I am positive > they will be responsible about your purchase and offer alternatives. > That isn't something I'd worry about. > >> >> I love the comments about HyperCard, because I too was there, >> especially the >> BAD stacks, which outnumbered GOOD stacks at least 50 to 1. > > Last night I was looking through my ancient AOL archives because I > really did hope I'd saved a copy of some of those kiddie stacks. No > luck, except for the original "Barney Dies!!!" (can't recall offhand > if there were three or four exclamation points) which was misfiled and > therefore inadvertently backed up. I'm sorry now we didn't download > the kiddie library when we were doing the final backups before the > forum was killed off. I'm consiering turning it into a revlet for old > times sake. What's spooky is that the author is probably in his > thirties by now with a nine year old of his own. > Surely the spookiest thing of all is that Barney is still alive . . . :) From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 2 14:36:49 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 14:36:49 -0400 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BDDC5F5.6050207@gmail.com> References: <4BDDC3C8.1060002@hyperactivesw.com> <4BDDC5F5.6050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <07263836-4E7A-4D6E-B7CB-5994A1DEF572@verizon.net> On May 2, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > > Surely the spookiest thing of all is that Barney is still alive . . . :) But probably doesn't use HyperCard anymore. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 14:39:47 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 21:39:47 +0300 Subject: Ink Settings and Printing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDDC6F3.8030400@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 21:33, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Marty Knapp wrote: > >> I'm trying to print a card with a jpeg image on it and have noticed that >> when I set the Ink to anything other than the standard srcCopy that the >> image quality suffers noticeably. I think I tired every setting that >> allows underlaying objects to show through the white bounding box of my >> jpeg - which is what I need. Has anyone else tried something like this? >> >> I've tried this also with png images and gif images as well- all seems >> to suffer when set to (for example) "blendMultiply." > Marty, have you tried creating a snapshot of the card first, and then > printing the snapshot? Might work better than trying to force the > inks/image formats. > I've had to do a lot of this sort of thing recently. My experience is that if one has an image with various settings such as ink/blending, graphic effects (I am in love with a charcoal inner glow on a white border) and one attempts to export it as an image all those settings are lost; similarly so exporting a snapshot. If, however, one groups the image after one has set all the effects (just create a group out of the image by itself; a bit counter intuitive, but there we are) and then exports either it or the whole card as a snapshot everything is preserved. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 14:44:20 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 21:44:20 +0300 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <07263836-4E7A-4D6E-B7CB-5994A1DEF572@verizon.net> References: <4BDDC3C8.1060002@hyperactivesw.com> <4BDDC5F5.6050207@gmail.com> <07263836-4E7A-4D6E-B7CB-5994A1DEF572@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4BDDC804.7010708@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 21:36, Colin Holgate wrote: > On May 2, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> Surely the spookiest thing of all is that Barney is still alive . . . :) > > But probably doesn't use HyperCard anymore. > > > As far as I remember purple was problematic without the colour tools. Oddly enough, I landed in America and bought an LC475 and a television when my older son was 6 months old (1993); my wife's and my 3 year stay in the USA was tinted purple by that bl**dy dinosaur. I am glad to say that my son is soon to be 18 and, apparently, survived any ill effects associated with Barney; although, truth be known, when he is at his adolescent worst there is a certain resemblance . . . :) From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 14:45:16 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 21:45:16 +0300 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <07263836-4E7A-4D6E-B7CB-5994A1DEF572@verizon.net> References: <4BDDC3C8.1060002@hyperactivesw.com> <4BDDC5F5.6050207@gmail.com> <07263836-4E7A-4D6E-B7CB-5994A1DEF572@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4BDDC83C.7090209@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 21:36, Colin Holgate wrote: > On May 2, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> Surely the spookiest thing of all is that Barney is still alive . . . :) > > But probably doesn't use HyperCard anymore. > > > But does he use Mac Developer Tools and is he a vegan? From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 14:52:13 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 21:52:13 +0300 Subject: Unicode and Windows Vista Message-ID: <4BDDC9DD.9020706@gmail.com> Recently I had a slightly worrying post from a chap attempting to use my Devawriter on a computer running Windows Vista. The problem is that when Devawriter calls a Unicode character that is not meant to move the cursor/insert place forward, merely print something either above or beneath the preceding character it does not; while printing the character it also moves the insert forward so that everything comes out incorrectly. I tried to duplicate this problem on Mac and Windows XP (not having access to Vista) and was unable to. Luckily this chap managed to get hold of a machine running XP and has had no further problems. I would be extremely grateful if anybody has any ideas and/or advice regarding this problem, as it is a real problem. Obviously Vista does not "play ball" with Unicode fonts in RunRev in quite the same way that Mac and XP do. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 15:13:26 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:13:26 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Personal attacks again? Really, you need to substitute that 7 year old crap for a genuine statement of content? And you don't think people see it for what it is? Is it because the teacher left the room? Is that the level of morality you have achieved? So, how about some content? A substantive rebuttal? Putting your ideas out there for all to see? -----Original Message----- From: David C. Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 11:15 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue >The only reason I'm even reading this thread is I, too, out of > the blue, received off-list messages regarding your incite full > posts. And, I feel humbled in the presence of the only > visionary thinker in the world with regard to software. I typically avoid participation in threads like this, but I just have to this time around... Outside of the "knee deep in B.S." factor, I find it a bit unusual for such to be spewed forth from a "visionary" who's web site currently has the following content: rhetoric - under construction ideas - under construction future - under construction ...a tad bit of food for thought. Regards, David C. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution [The entire original message is not included] From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 15:17:47 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 22:17:47 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4BDDCFDB.404@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 22:13, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Personal attacks again? Really, you need to substitute that 7 year old crap for a genuine statement of content? And you don't think people see it for what it is? Is it because the teacher left the room? Is that the level of morality you have achieved? So, how about some content? A substantive rebuttal? Putting your ideas out there for all to see? > > -----Original Message----- > From: David C. > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 11:15 AM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > >> The only reason I'm even reading this thread is I, too, out of >> the blue, received off-list messages regarding your incite full >> posts. And, I feel humbled in the presence of the only >> visionary thinker in the world with regard to software. > I typically avoid participation in threads like this, but I just have > to this time around... > > Outside of the "knee deep in B.S." factor, I find it a bit unusual for > such to be spewed forth from a "visionary" who's web site currently > has the following content: > > rhetoric - under construction > ideas - under construction > future - under construction > > ...a tad bit of food for thought. > > Regards, > David C. Thanks, David, for pointing the way to Randall's website; I enjoyed my visit there, and I am sure many other people would. I found it helped to contextualise a lot what Randall writes about. From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sun May 2 15:24:27 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 21:24:27 +0200 Subject: [Demo] The Slug's Data Grid Library is on the road In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear List, I updated the library and its dictionary. Two new commands have been added: dg_isCellInEdition : returns true if a cell is in edition in the Data Grid dg_CloseValue : Closes the cell in edition and saved its content. Two bugs are fixed in the "Add / Delete / Duplicate" demo: - Delete when no row is selected no longer display the message: "Really delete 0 row?" - Fixed an issue with the duplication. If a cell to duplicate was in edition, its data was not properly duplicated. Don't hesitate to send me comments, suggestions and advices. This way I could improve this library more efficiently ;) You can download the updated dictionary in your Rev's msg box: go to url "http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/demo/DG_Lib_Demo-Dictionary.rev" TIA, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 15:25:15 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:25:15 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502192516.COHZ18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> How about my blog: http://www.complexitymetric.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: Richmond Mathewson Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:17 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 22:13, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Personal attacks again? Really, you need to substitute that 7 year old crap for a genuine statement of content? And you don't think people see it for what it is? Is it because the teacher left the room? Is that the level of morality you have achieved? So, how about some content? A substantive rebuttal? Putting your ideas out there for all to see? > > -----Original Message----- > From: David C. > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 11:15 AM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > >> The only reason I'm even reading this thread is I, too, out of >> the blue, received off-list messages regarding your incite full >> posts. And, I feel humbled in the presence of the only >> visionary thinker in the world with regard to software. > I typically avoid participation in threads like this, but I just have > to this time around... > > Outside of the "knee deep in B.S." factor, I find it a bit unusual for > such to be spewed forth from a "visionary" who's web site currently > has the following content: > > rhetoric - under construction > ideas - under construction > future - under construction > > ...a tad bit of food for thought. > > Regards, > David C. Thanks, David, for pointing the way to Randall's website; I enjoyed my visit there, and I am sure many other people would. I found it helped to contextualise a lot what Randall writes about. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sun May 2 15:32:12 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:32:12 +0100 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: On 2 May 2010, at 20:13, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > So, how about some content? A substantive rebuttal? Putting your > ideas out there for all to see? How about replying to direct questions asked of you, for instance why facial recognition is revolutionary but content-aware fill isn't? Or why the examples of things facial recognition is being used for *now* in consumer products is 'Almost nothing'. It would also be useful if you could explain what you mean by revisionist applications. I *assume* you are talking about apps that are evolutionary rather than revolutionary in how they change what people do with them, but it's not clear and 'revisionist' has some very specific connotations. Ian From st.king42 at ntlworld.com Sun May 2 15:34:34 2010 From: st.king42 at ntlworld.com (Steve King) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:34:34 +0100 Subject: Trouble with Tabbed Panel in Windows In-Reply-To: <20100501170005.4B4CD2882AF@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100501170005.4B4CD2882AF@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <8DFCD1F10F454522B1FB342D765C78C4@Home> Hi All Any help would be appreciated.... I am using Rev 4.0, windows 7 With the tabbed Panel I find it takes multiple clicks on the tab to get the tab to change colour correctly. First click changes card, then second changes tab highlght I am using simply.. On MenuPick theCard Go to Card theCard End MenuPick Any suggestions? Cheers Steve From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun May 2 15:35:35 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 12:35:35 -0700 Subject: Ink Settings and Printing In-Reply-To: <4BDDC6F3.8030400@gmail.com> Message-ID: When trying export (or import) all elements on a card, there is no need to do any grouping. As in Marty's case, one only needs to import a snapshot of the card. Here's one way: import snapshot from rect (rect of this cd) of this cd Grouping allows you import/export the objects independently of the card itself and maintain the empty space/effects around the objects, as you mention. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, Richmond Mathewson wrote: >>> I'm trying to print a card with a jpeg image on it and have noticed that >>> when I set the Ink to anything other than the standard srcCopy that the >>> image quality suffers noticeably. I think I tired every setting that >>> allows underlaying objects to show through the white bounding box of my >>> jpeg - which is what I need. Has anyone else tried something like this? >> Marty, have you tried creating a snapshot of the card first, and then >> printing the snapshot? Might work better than trying to force the >> inks/image formats. >> > I've had to do a lot of this sort of thing recently. My experience is > that if > one has an image with various settings such as ink/blending, graphic effects > (I am in love with a charcoal inner glow on a white border) and one attempts > to export it as an image all those settings are lost; similarly so > exporting a > snapshot. > > If, however, one groups the image after one has set all the effects > (just create > a group out of the image by itself; a bit counter intuitive, but there > we are) and > then exports either it or the whole card as a snapshot everything is > preserved. From davidocoker at gmail.com Sun May 2 15:39:46 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 14:39:46 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: > Personal attacks again? Well, it really wasn't intended as a personal attack exactly... I don't even know ya and really don't care about the subject matter. It was more of a poorly judged stab at some off the wall humor. Regards, David C. From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 15:40:15 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:40:15 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502194016.CUWL18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Driving right now so will answer your questions as soon as I am out of my car. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Wood Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:32 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 2 May 2010, at 20:13, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > So, how about some content? A substantive rebuttal? Putting your > ideas out there for all to see? How about replying to direct questions asked of you, for instance why facial recognition is revolutionary but content-aware fill isn't? Or why the examples of things facial recognition is being used for *now* in consumer products is 'Almost nothing'. It would also be useful if you could explain what you mean by revisionist applications. I *assume* you are talking about apps that are evolutionary rather than revolutionary in how they change what people do with them, but it's not clear and 'revisionist' has some very specific connotations. Ian _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 15:41:01 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 22:41:01 +0300 Subject: Ink Settings and Printing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDDD54D.3050902@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 22:35, Scott Rossi wrote: > When trying export (or import) all elements on a card, there is no need to > do any grouping. As in Marty's case, one only needs to import a snapshot of > the card. Here's one way: > > import snapshot from rect (rect of this cd) of this cd > > Grouping allows you import/export the objects independently of the card > itself and maintain the empty space/effects around the objects, as you > mention. > > Thanks for putting me right on that one . . . :) From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 15:45:12 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:45:12 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502194513.CXEG18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Right, I believe you... -----Original Message----- From: David C. Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:39 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > Personal attacks again? Well, it really wasn't intended as a personal attack exactly... I don't even know ya and really don't care about the subject matter. It was more of a poorly judged stab at some off the wall humor. Regards, David C. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From martyknapp at comcast.net Sun May 2 15:45:35 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 12:45:35 -0700 Subject: Ink Settings and Printing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDDD65F.8090908@comcast.net> Thanks Scott - I've played around some with printing snapshots, but the resolution is too low for this project. I do have a work-around for what I'm doing, for the most part. Thanks, Marty > Recently, Marty Knapp wrote: > > >> I'm trying to print a card with a jpeg image on it and have noticed that >> when I set the Ink to anything other than the standard srcCopy that the >> image quality suffers noticeably. I think I tired every setting that >> allows underlaying objects to show through the white bounding box of my >> jpeg - which is what I need. Has anyone else tried something like this? >> >> I've tried this also with png images and gif images as well- all seems >> to suffer when set to (for example) "blendMultiply." >> > > Marty, have you tried creating a snapshot of the card first, and then > printing the snapshot? Might work better than trying to force the > inks/image formats. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 15:48:29 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 22:48:29 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4BDDD70D.8070009@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 22:39, David C. wrote: >> Personal attacks again? > Well, it really wasn't intended as a personal attack exactly... > I don't even know ya and really don't care about the subject matter. > > It was more of a poorly judged stab at some off the wall humor. > I have a funny feeling that some people, when they feel that they are in a logical corner, or their particular viewpoint is under-appreciated, instead of either getting on with something else, finding a better argument to justify their viewpoint, admitting they were wrong, or whatever, react by calling a disagreement a personal attack. having a fairly robust ego myself I don't do this; I go away and make a salad, wash the dishes, drink a cup of coffee, go for a walk; and calm down and, normally find out that just about 50% of what I percieved to be problematic is my fault. Or I just laugh the whole thing off by making some daft joke on the Use-List . . . anybody for a purple dinosaur . . . or 2 ??? If one indulges in whacky humour then should realise that: 1. Not everyone will share your deep sense of fun. 2. You are going to get 'poo' thrown back at you sooner or later. But, hey; I teach primary kids from 7 to 13 and constantly have 'poo' thrown at me: it is my "bread and butter" my lovelies. From st.king42 at ntlworld.com Sun May 2 15:49:35 2010 From: st.king42 at ntlworld.com (Steve King) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:49:35 +0100 Subject: Printing in Windows References: <20100501170005.4B4CD2882AF@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <8B4F65DF9040491B9E6BAEB01F20E52D@Home> Hi All I am also having problems printing in Windows. In development, setting print orientation works fine. In the standalone it doesn't. I get Landscape in the development but portrait (the printer default) in the standalone. I do the following Read printer orientation Store it Set it to landscape Print Wait 2 seconds (incase being set to portrait to quickly) Set back to portrait Any suggestions? Cheers Steve From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 15:49:45 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 22:49:45 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502194016.CUWL18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502194016.CUWL18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4BDDD759.50604@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 22:40, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Driving right now so will answer your questions as soon as I am out of my car. > That sounds fairly dangerous: answering e-mails while driving. From revolution at derbrill.de Sun May 2 15:52:32 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 21:52:32 +0200 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <20100421130030.1C7B42882BB@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100421130030.1C7B42882BB@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <9181D667-0ADB-478C-B105-5AFA26AFA507@derbrill.de> > RevMobile was priced quite expensively, > presumably under the assumption that it was the golden egg of Rev > programming products that was finally going to get me that Lamborghini > Countach. Now it's a brick, and we need to figure out what to do. We are all > very loyal to Rev and its wonderful staff, but something reasonable will > have to be done in the face of this disastrous development. It is not over until the fat lady sings. As there are no fat ladies over at RR, I will patiently hold my feet still and wait what the mothership has to say on the issue. Would they had given up, I bet they would have been a lot quicker with their response. So I bet there are smoking heads seeing what can / will be done for revMobile. I wouldn?t want to walk in their shoes at the moment, though that there has some amount of time passed raises more hope in me than it destroys. All the best, Malte From scott at tactilemedia.com Sun May 2 15:57:03 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 12:57:03 -0700 Subject: Webinar Client (like Dim-Dim) | ITunes Alternative (like Song Bird) In-Reply-To: <1272755142822-2122432.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Recently, Alejandro Tejada wrote: >> I've built many music and video players over the years with RunRev. >> The one major limitation you will find is that media support will be >> limited to >> those media that are supported by Apple's QuickTime (and QT must be >> installed on the user's system). >> [snip] >> > > Have you build a FLV and MP3 player using Flash plugin > running inside a revBrowser window? > > Just curious to know if this combination works as > smooth as Quicktime players. It might (I haven't tried it), but that would mean building the majority of the player in Flash. I would then have to question why use Rev at all? The one benefit Rev has over Flash at this point is interaction with the desktop. Flash prevents much of this kind of interaction by design (security), so unless there was some limitation of being unable to write/move files around the drive, one might be better off just building the entire player in Flash. Either way, using Rev as a player requires the use of 2 technologies: Rev + QuickTime or Rev + Flash. That's unfortunate. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Sun May 2 16:01:40 2010 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 21:01:40 +0100 Subject: Plovdiv (OT) In-Reply-To: <20100502193944.7DB4F28847F@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100502193944.7DB4F28847F@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: On 2 May 2010, at 8:39 pm, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: >> About 3 hours ago my wife and I went for a walk in a park here in Plovdiv; from the hill in the centre of >> the park I could see 3 shopping malls under construction: Shopping malls in Plovdiv? I called in there about 25 years ago on the way to Burgas. Todor Zhivkov was the head man back then. I think it might have been there that a friend and I wandered through a shootout between police and some "New Bulgarians". Strangely enough, it wasn't on the news that night. Also strangely, neither side shot at us, or even shouted anything at us. They kind of shot round us at each other. Shopping Malls? Nah. David G From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 16:01:41 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 13:01:41 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502200142.TSGU23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> And what is the disagreement? Is it making fun of an abandoned web site? -----Original Message----- From: Richmond Mathewson Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 12:48 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 22:39, David C. wrote: >> Personal attacks again? > Well, it really wasn't intended as a personal attack exactly... > I don't even know ya and really don't care about the subject matter. > > It was more of a poorly judged stab at some off the wall humor. > I have a funny feeling that some people, when they feel that they are in a logical corner, or their particular viewpoint is under-appreciated, instead of either getting on with something else, finding a better argument to justify their viewpoint, admitting they were wrong, or whatever, react by calling a disagreement a personal attack. having a fairly robust ego myself I don't do this; I go away and make a salad, wash the dishes, drink a cup of coffee, go for a walk; and calm down and, normally find out that just about 50% of what I percieved to be problematic is my fault. Or I just laugh the whole thing off by making some daft joke on the Use-List . . . anybody for a purple dinosaur . . . or 2 ??? If one indulges in whacky humour then should realise that: 1. Not everyone will share your deep sense of fun. 2. You are going to get 'poo' thrown back at you sooner or later. [The entire original message is not included] From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 16:09:16 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 23:09:16 +0300 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <9181D667-0ADB-478C-B105-5AFA26AFA507@derbrill.de> References: <20100421130030.1C7B42882BB@mail.runrev.com> <9181D667-0ADB-478C-B105-5AFA26AFA507@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <4BDDDBEC.80009@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 22:52, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: >> RevMobile was priced quite expensively, >> presumably under the assumption that it was the golden egg of Rev >> programming products that was finally going to get me that Lamborghini >> Countach. Now it's a brick, and we need to figure out what to do. We are all >> very loyal to Rev and its wonderful staff, but something reasonable will >> have to be done in the face of this disastrous development. > It is not over until the fat lady sings. > As there are no fat ladies over at RR, I will patiently hold my feet still and wait what the mothership has to say on the issue. > Would they had given up, I bet they would have been a lot quicker with their response. So I bet there are smoking heads seeing what can / will be done for > revMobile. I wouldn?t want to walk in their shoes at the moment, though that there has some amount of time passed raises more hope in me than it destroys. > Steve Jobs hardly qualifies as a fat lady either. However, I am wondering, in light of the furore, whether some of Apple's shareholders won't be singing songs that may grate slightly on Steve Jobs' ears and he may have to retract some of what he excluded. I am sure that this is the fall-out of Steve Jobs and Co. wanting to squish Adobe, rather than a desire to exclude more minor players such as RunRev, who are, unfortunately, caught in the storm. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I also wouldn't describe RevMobile as a 'brick' (though I would be wondering about things had I bought the Beta), as it has been advertised as being capable of producing software for quite a number of other platforms besides iPhone and iPad. I do not think Apple products are the "B-all and end-all", and am well aware that there are lots more mobile devices out in the world, and a lot more yet to come; some of which, I am quite sure, will put both iPhone and iPad in the shade. After the G3 iMac there was a slew of PC lookalikes; after the macMini similarly: http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/p/88014/445876.aspx http://www.businessinsider.com/google-working-on-an-ipad-clone-2010-4 http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/kit-eaton/technomix/meet-chinese-ipad-clone-three-months-ago-and-msis-future-one http://www.shanzai.com/index.php/bandit-gadgets/32-tablets/851-first-glimpse-of-a-real-shanzhai-ipad-clone http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/49421-android-powered-ipad-clone-spotted-in-the-wild From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 2 16:12:28 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 23:12:28 +0300 Subject: Plovdiv (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100502193944.7DB4F28847F@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4BDDDCAC.3080403@gmail.com> On 02/05/2010 23:01, David Glasgow wrote: > On 2 May 2010, at 8:39 pm, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > >>> About 3 hours ago my wife and I went for a walk in a park here in Plovdiv; from the hill in the centre of >>> the park I could see 3 shopping malls under construction: > Shopping malls in Plovdiv? I called in there about 25 years ago on the way to Burgas. Todor Zhivkov was the head man back then. I think it might have been there that a friend and I wandered through a shootout between police and some "New Bulgarians". Strangely enough, it wasn't on the news that night. Also strangely, neither side shot at us, or even shouted anything at us. They kind of shot round us at each other. > > Shopping Malls? Nah. > 20 years post-totalitarianism Bulgaria has most of the advantages of not being a police state (in fact the police are so crooked one could almost call it a policeless state), and most of the gross materialistic guff that seems to go with it. From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 16:24:58 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 13:24:58 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BDDD759.50604@gmail.com> References: <20100502194016.CUWL18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDDD759.50604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0732E560-06A7-4CAD-B1E1-C1B320E76A45@randallreetz.com> Is this the topic? Really? All you can come up with? Nasty childish nitpicking? Yes emailing is dangerous while driving. I wrote that note at a gas station while filling my tank. Now at cafe and ready to respond to substantive questions and comments. On May 2, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 02/05/2010 22:40, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >> Driving right now so will answer your questions as soon as I am out of my car. >> > > That sounds fairly dangerous: answering e-mails while driving. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 16:30:40 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 13:30:40 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BDDCFDB.404@gmail.com> References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDDCFDB.404@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sad. On May 2, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 02/05/2010 22:13, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >> Personal attacks again? Really, you need to substitute that 7 year old crap for a genuine statement of content? And you don't think people see it for what it is? Is it because the teacher left the room? Is that the level of morality you have achieved? So, how about some content? A substantive rebuttal? Putting your ideas out there for all to see? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David C. >> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 11:15 AM >> To: How to use Revolution >> Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue >> >>> The only reason I'm even reading this thread is I, too, out of >>> the blue, received off-list messages regarding your incite full >>> posts. And, I feel humbled in the presence of the only >>> visionary thinker in the world with regard to software. >> I typically avoid participation in threads like this, but I just have >> to this time around... >> >> Outside of the "knee deep in B.S." factor, I find it a bit unusual for >> such to be spewed forth from a "visionary" who's web site currently >> has the following content: >> >> rhetoric - under construction >> ideas - under construction >> future - under construction >> >> ...a tad bit of food for thought. >> >> Regards, >> David C. > > Thanks, David, for pointing the way to Randall's website; I enjoyed my visit there, > and I am sure many other people would. I found it helped to contextualise a lot > what Randall writes about. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 16:48:20 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 13:48:20 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100502152303.WYFO29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: How about my blog: "http:www.complexitymetric.blogspot.com". I certainly don't shy away from making authentic statements and asking the big questions. All of my work is standard model compliant and in agreement with all known laws of physics. If you want to argue with me you will need to show how I have missapplied these laws or how the laws themselves are wrong. Randall On May 2, 2010, at 11:15 AM, David C. wrote: >> The only reason I'm even reading this thread is I, too, out of >> the blue, received off-list messages regarding your incite full >> posts. And, I feel humbled in the presence of the only >> visionary thinker in the world with regard to software. > > I typically avoid participation in threads like this, but I just have > to this time around... > > Outside of the "knee deep in B.S." factor, I find it a bit unusual for > such to be spewed forth from a "visionary" who's web site currently > has the following content: > > rhetoric - under construction > ideas - under construction > future - under construction > > ...a tad bit of food for thought. > > Regards, > David C. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sun May 2 17:11:46 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 22:11:46 +0100 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <0732E560-06A7-4CAD-B1E1-C1B320E76A45@randallreetz.com> References: <20100502194016.CUWL18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDDD759.50604@gmail.com> <0732E560-06A7-4CAD-B1E1-C1B320E76A45@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: On 2 May 2010, at 21:24, Randall Reetz wrote: > Now at cafe and ready to respond to substantive questions and > comments. So what's stopping you? Why not start with explaining why facial recognition is the only revolution in photo programs in two decades? Ian From chipp at chipp.com Sun May 2 17:14:48 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:14:48 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100502194016.CUWL18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDDD759.50604@gmail.com> <0732E560-06A7-4CAD-B1E1-C1B320E76A45@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: COMPLEXITY EXISTS ONLY TO INCREASES DISORDER. EVOLUTION IS THE REFINEMENT OF A FITNESS METRIC. IT IS THE PROCESS OF REFINING A CRITERIA FOR THE MEASUREMENT OF THE CAPACITY OF A SYSTEM TO MAXIMIZE ITS FUTURE POTENTIAL TO HOLD COMPLEXITY. THIS METRIC BECOMES EVER MORE SOPHISTICATED, AND CAN NEVER BE PREDETERMINED. I'm not sure what the big question is there, but it's certainly an authentic statement, directly from the header of your blog. I shall not poke fun at it as I'm sure it's a babelfish translation from some Paleolithic scribblings ?on a cave wall somewhere in southwestern France. It's clearly beyond my limited scope of understanding. On Sunday, May 2, 2010, Randall Reetz wrote: > How about my blog: "http:www.complexitymetric.blogspot.com". ?I certainly don't shy away from making authentic statements and asking the big questions. From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sun May 2 17:35:48 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 17:35:48 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <0732E560-06A7-4CAD-B1E1-C1B320E76A45@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: Randall Reetz' robust ego wrote: > Is this the topic? Really? All you can come up with? Nasty > childish nitpicking? Yes emailing is dangerous while driving. > I wrote that note at a gas station while filling my tank. Now > at cafe and ready to respond to substantive questions and comments. > > On May 2, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> On 02/05/2010 22:40, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >>> Driving right now so will answer your questions as soon as I am out of my car. >>> >> >> That sounds fairly dangerous: answering e-mails while driving. if "Driving right now" is not "I wrote that note at a gas station" then put "The author, or his robust ego cares very little about anything beyond fueling that ego with negative attention and wasted bandwidth on tangents that are far removed from the topic" closeTopic else put "This is childish nitpicking, NOT!" -- he uses the word 'childish' alot too, although if someone were to -- be seriously injured by responding to email while driving, -- I doubt whether that ego would be shaken in the least end if on closeTopic put "This topic is badly in need of the presence of the List Mum" end closeTopic Posted mostly in fun, but in part by getting annoyed with how far off-topic this thread has drifted. ~Roger Eller From bvlahos at mac.com Sun May 2 17:39:20 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 14:39:20 -0700 Subject: How do I put an image in memory into an image object? Message-ID: <77B962B4-9C77-43EA-9631-8B52065D555A@mac.com> I have an image on disk that is encrypted. I can decrypt the image in memory but how do I put that image variable into an image object? I would also like to automatically fit the image into the predefined object. I can set the fileName but that means the file exists on disk not encrypted. Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 17:39:44 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 14:39:44 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <29E5E6FF-319E-4145-83E8-18AFEB816CF1@randallreetz.com> OK, Ian, I promised I would respond and here goes. Sorry I didn't before, I had assumed your questions were rhetorical. When I say that software hasn't changed I mean to say that it hasn't jumped qualitative categories. We are still living in a world where computing exists as pre-written and compiled software that is blindly executed by machines and stacked foundational code that has no idea what it is processing, can only process linearly, all semantics have been stripped, it doesn't learn from experience or react to context unless this too has been pre-codified and frozen in binary or byte code, etc. etc etc. Hardware has been souped up. So our little wrote tricks can be made more elaborate within the substantial confines mentioned. These same in-paradigm restrictions apply to both the software users slog through and the software we use to write software. As a result, these very plastic machines with mercurial potential are reduced to simple players that react to user interrupts. They are sequencing systems, not unlike the lead type setting racks of Guttenburg-era printing presses. Sure we have taught them some interesting seeming tricks ? if you can represent something as digital media, be it sound, video, multi-dimentional graph space, markup ? our sequencer doesn't know enough to care. Current processors are capable of 6.5 million instructions per second but are used less than a billionth of available cycles by the standard users running standard software. The current paradigm absolutely abhors processor access not initiated by user input. But even if it had the inclination to get some work down on its own? what would it do? It doesn't know anything about anything so deciding what to do as the day progresses is impossible. As regards photo editing software, anyone aware of the history of image processing will recognize that most of the stuff seen in photoshop and other programs was proposed and executed on systems long before some guys in france democratized these algorithms for consumer use and had their code acquired by adobe. It used to be called array arithmetic and applied smoothly to images divided up into a grid of pixels. None of these systems "see" an image for its content except as an array of numbers that can be crunched sequentially like a spread sheet. It was only when object recognition concepts were applied to photos that any kind of compositional grammar could be extracted from an image and compared as parts to other images similarly decomposed. This is a form of semantic processing and has its parallels in other media like text parsers and sound analysis software. Semantics opens the door to the building of systems that "understand" the content they process. That is the promised second revolution in computation that really hasn't seen any practical light of day as of yet. Data mining really isn't semantically mindful, simply uses statistical reduction mechanisms to guess at the existence of the location of pattern ( a good first step but missing the grammatical hierarchy necessary to work towards a self optimized and domain independent ability to detect and represent salience in the stacked grammar that makes up any complex system. Such systems will need to work all of the time. ALL OF THE TIME! Only pausing momentarily to pay attention to our interactions as needed. Once they are running, these systems will subsume all of the manual activity we have been made to perform to this day. Think "fly by wire" for processing. Gone is the need to discreetly encode every single bit in exactly the only possible sequence. We simply wont be able to know what bits are being processed, who or what made them, and more importantly, we won't have to care. What it means is the difference between writing a letter and our computer interceding by understanding the meta-intent of the wrote and inefficient processes we engage in today ? what are letters for? What resources is this user or entity after and why? Who has those resources? Whom of those who have the desired resources need something that we might have in exchange? How are the vectors of intent among all entities entangled and grouped and how can our systems work towards the optimization of this global intent matrix? So, when I use the word "revisionist" I am calling attention to the old sheep dressed up in new clothing but still being sheep. Software feature creep is not really evolving software. As the good programmers at REV know, most of the work to maintain a product is incurred just keeping current of changes in the OS substrate on which they run. This rarely results in qualitative paradigm jumps. That the jump is so long in coming is understandable. It is easy to send a punch card through a machine and have it react accordingly every time. The jump from wrote execution of static code to self aware semantically self optimized pattern engines is a big big big jump. But it isn't as big as it might at first seem. It is happening. It will happen. And computing will finally result in the kind of substantial increase in productivity that its expense requires. Randall Reetz On May 2, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ian Wood wrote: > > On 2 May 2010, at 20:13, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > >> So, how about some content? A substantive rebuttal? Putting your ideas out there for all to see? > > How about replying to direct questions asked of you, for instance why facial recognition is revolutionary but content-aware fill isn't? Or why the examples of things facial recognition is being used for *now* in consumer products is 'Almost nothing'. > > It would also be useful if you could explain what you mean by revisionist applications. I *assume* you are talking about apps that are evolutionary rather than revolutionary in how they change what people do with them, but it's not clear and 'revisionist' has some very specific connotations. > > Ian > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun May 2 17:58:45 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 14:58:45 -0700 Subject: Trouble with Tabbed Panel in Windows In-Reply-To: <8DFCD1F10F454522B1FB342D765C78C4@Home> References: <20100501170005.4B4CD2882AF@mail.runrev.com> <8DFCD1F10F454522B1FB342D765C78C4@Home> Message-ID: <411597155703.20100502145845@ahsoftware.net> Steve- Sunday, May 2, 2010, 12:34:34 PM, you wrote: > Hi All > Any help would be appreciated.... > I am using Rev 4.0, windows 7 > With the tabbed Panel I find it takes multiple clicks on the tab to get the > tab to change colour correctly. First click changes card, then second > changes tab highlght > I am using simply.. > On MenuPick theCard > Go to Card theCard > End MenuPick > Any suggestions? > Cheers > Steve > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sun May 2 17:59:22 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 23:59:22 +0200 Subject: How do I put an image in memory into an image object? In-Reply-To: <77B962B4-9C77-43EA-9631-8B52065D555A@mac.com> References: <77B962B4-9C77-43EA-9631-8B52065D555A@mac.com> Message-ID: 2010/5/2 Bill Vlahos : > I have an image on disk that is encrypted. I can decrypt the image in memory but how do I put that image variable into an image object? I would also like to automatically fit the image into the predefined object. > > I can set the fileName but that means the file exists on disk not encrypted. > > Bill Vlahos Hi Bill, Have you tried to set the imageData property of your image object? set the imageData of image to binaryData HTH Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun May 2 17:59:39 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 14:59:39 -0700 Subject: Trouble with Tabbed Panel in Windows In-Reply-To: <8DFCD1F10F454522B1FB342D765C78C4@Home> References: <20100501170005.4B4CD2882AF@mail.runrev.com> <8DFCD1F10F454522B1FB342D765C78C4@Home> Message-ID: <1311597208890.20100502145939@ahsoftware.net> Steve- Sunday, May 2, 2010, 12:34:34 PM, you wrote: > I am using simply.. > On MenuPick theCard > Go to Card theCard > End MenuPick > Any suggestions? Try On MenuPick theCard Go to Card theCard Pass MenuPick End MenuPick -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mdswindell at cruzio.com Sun May 2 18:00:56 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:00:56 -0700 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: <51656122-7A9B-4EA2-B9F2-8332BCF665D6@numericable.com> References: <4BDCB31E.3070907@fourthworld.com> <4BDCDFCF.5040108@hyperactivesw.com> <51656122-7A9B-4EA2-B9F2-8332BCF665D6@numericable.com> Message-ID: This is a very interesting post from someone who was in a position to know what was going on back then. It confirms (at least for me) what I always felt to be the case, and why Apple ultimately let HC die on the vine. Most coders of any language are not design experts, nor do they, of necessity, have much going on in terms of artistic or aesthetic sensibilities. Amateur coders maybe even less. I recall getting shot down for offering this opinion about the dismal appearance of the majority of HC stacks on HC and SuperCard lists years ago. For Apple to have its name attached to awful-looking, poorly-written hypercard stacks was just not a smart enterprise move, no matter how empowering the HC platform to "the rest of us." The same can be true for Rev stacks, though clearly the toolkit for nice-looking apps is much nicer. Many of the examples in the User section might rise to the level of perhaps good proof-of-concept demonstrations, but many, if not most, look unprofessional. That's not a knock on anyone, it's a subjective observation, but one that I think would be confirmed by most disinterested 3rd parties. (Does it then become objective?) I'm referring here, by the way, to stand-alone apps for public consumption, not business-related utilities, which probably account for a great deal of the income generated off Rev programming. I think a great problem for Rev stacks is that they are mostly created by one-man or woman shops. There are not teams with project directors, artists, photoshop experts, animators, etc. (Scott Rossi may qualify as a team, in this scenario, but he is unique.) This is both liberating and constraining, funny how that works. If there were more collaboration between graphic artists, design experts and programmers, perhaps the output would be more aesthetically viable. But now we're dealing in big budgets. Of course, this doesn't even touch on the functional aspect of the software, which is, at the heart of things, even more important. But while you may not be able to judge a book by its cover, you're more apt to open one up that is presented interestingly and professionally than one type-written on newsprint and held together with paper-clips. Mark > Le 2 mai 2010 ? 04:13, J. Landman Gay a ?crit : > >> But with caution. I'm in favor of keeping it out of the spotlight until there are many more apps available, hundreds hopefully. A few meager offerings is not inspiring. >> >> And they have to be quality offerings. As someone who had to review and release hundreds of HC stacks to the AOL libraries, I know that 99% of what came in was pure crap. Because HC was so accessible, everyone thought they were a developer. Avoidance of even the suggestion of a HIG was the norm. Radio buttons used as checkboxes or pushbuttons ("because I like how they look,") menus missing or out of order ("I don't need an Edit menu,") known commercial app icons (MacWrite) used for private stack purposes ("go cd images",) you name it. Virtually everything about these stacks was wrong. Outsiders scoffed. Rightfully. >> >> And then there were the kids. I wavered between disgust and delight. Their stacks were invariably flip card animations done with crude line drawings, generally on topics humorous to nine year olds. "Kill Barney" was very popular, we had probably a dozen of those, not counting the rejected ones. The weapon of choice varied from guns (all models) to swords and knives; one stick man farted old Barney to death. We had to make a separate library for these and tag them with editorial code words like "simple line drawings" so that everyone else would know not to download them. >> >> This lack of professionalism in HC stacks was one of the reasons it was rarely regarded as a serious tool, and it gave HC a bad name generally. The number of really good stacks was pretty small. Unfair as it is, the quality of the output often reflects on the tools used rather than the authors. If there is ever a Rev app store, it needs to have lots of files, all of which pass a certain standard of professionalism. That means someone has to check and verify every submission, which would open a whole other can of worms. >> >> I confess though, in retrospect I really do wish I'd saved a copy of "Man Gets Beheaded By a Ceiling Fan." You had to be there. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun May 2 18:01:46 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:01:46 -0700 Subject: Trouble with Tabbed Panel in Windows In-Reply-To: <411597155703.20100502145845@ahsoftware.net> References: <20100501170005.4B4CD2882AF@mail.runrev.com> <8DFCD1F10F454522B1FB342D765C78C4@Home> <411597155703.20100502145845@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <601597335921.20100502150146@ahsoftware.net> Hmmm. Not sure *what* happened here... that on got away from me... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mikekann at yahoo.com Sun May 2 18:08:28 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <29E5E6FF-319E-4145-83E8-18AFEB816CF1@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: <504680.64721.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Randall, Take it up with this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Lenat He's spent thirty-five years thinking about the same issues. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Randall Reetz wrote: > From: Randall Reetz > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 4:39 PM > OK, Ian, I promised I would respond > and here goes.? Sorry I didn't before, I had assumed > your questions were rhetorical. > > When I say that software hasn't changed I mean to say that > it hasn't jumped qualitative categories.? We are still > living in a world where computing exists as pre-written and > compiled software that is blindly executed by machines and > stacked foundational code that has no idea what it is > processing, can only process linearly, all semantics have > been stripped, it doesn't learn from experience or react to > context unless this too has been pre-codified and frozen in > binary or byte code, etc. etc etc.? Hardware has been > souped up.? So our little wrote tricks can be made more > elaborate within the substantial confines mentioned.? > These same in-paradigm restrictions apply to both the > software users slog through and the software we use to write > software. > > As a result, these very plastic machines with mercurial > potential are reduced to simple players that react to user > interrupts.? They are sequencing systems, not unlike > the lead type setting racks of Guttenburg-era printing > presses.? Sure we have taught them some interesting > seeming tricks ? if you can represent something as digital > media, be it sound, video, multi-dimentional graph space, > markup ? our sequencer doesn't know enough to care. > > Current processors are capable of 6.5 million instructions > per second but are used less than a billionth of available > cycles by the standard users running standard > software.? ? The current paradigm absolutely > abhors processor access not initiated by user input.? > But even if it had the inclination to get some work down on > its own? what would it do?? It doesn't know anything > about anything so deciding what to do as the day progresses > is impossible. > > As regards photo editing software, anyone aware of the > history of image processing will recognize that most of the > stuff seen in photoshop and other programs was proposed and > executed on systems long before some guys in france > democratized these algorithms for consumer use and had their > code acquired by adobe.? It used to be called array > arithmetic and applied smoothly to images divided up into a > grid of pixels.? None of these systems "see" an image > for its content except as an array of numbers that can be > crunched sequentially like a spread sheet. > > It was only when object recognition concepts were applied > to photos that any kind of compositional grammar could be > extracted from an image and compared as parts to other > images similarly decomposed.? This is a form of > semantic processing and has its parallels in other media > like text parsers and sound analysis software. > > Semantics opens the door to the building of systems that > "understand" the content they process.? That is the > promised second revolution in computation that really hasn't > seen any practical light of day as of yet.? Data mining > really isn't semantically mindful, simply uses statistical > reduction mechanisms to guess at the existence of the > location of pattern ( a good first step but missing the > grammatical hierarchy necessary to work towards a self > optimized and domain independent ability to detect and > represent salience in the stacked grammar that makes up any > complex system. > > Such systems will need to work all of the time.? ALL > OF THE TIME!? Only pausing momentarily to pay attention > to our interactions as needed.? Once they are running, > these systems will subsume all of the manual activity we > have been made to perform to this day.? Think "fly by > wire" for processing.? Gone is the need to discreetly > encode every single bit in exactly the only possible > sequence.? We simply wont be able to know what bits are > being processed, who or what made them, and more > importantly, we won't have to care. > > What it means is the difference between writing a letter > and our computer interceding by understanding the > meta-intent of the wrote and inefficient processes we engage > in today ? what are letters for?? What resources is > this user or entity after and why?? Who has those > resources?? Whom of those who have the desired > resources need something that we might have in > exchange?? How are the vectors of intent among all > entities entangled and grouped and how can our systems work > towards the optimization of this global intent matrix? > > So, when I use the word "revisionist" I am calling > attention to the old sheep dressed up in new clothing but > still being sheep.? Software feature creep is not > really evolving software.? As the good programmers at > REV know, most of the work to maintain a product is incurred > just keeping current of changes in the OS substrate on which > they run.? This rarely results in qualitative paradigm > jumps. > > That the jump is so long in coming is understandable.? > It is easy to send a punch card through a machine and have > it react accordingly every time.? The jump from wrote > execution of static code to self aware semantically self > optimized pattern engines is a big big big jump.? But > it isn't as big as it might at first seem.? It is > happening.? It will happen.? And computing will > finally result in the kind of substantial increase in > productivity that its expense requires. > > Randall Reetz > > > On May 2, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ian Wood wrote: > > > > > On 2 May 2010, at 20:13, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > > > >> So, how about some content?? A substantive > rebuttal?? Putting your ideas out there for all to > see? > > > > How about replying to direct questions asked of you, > for instance why facial recognition is revolutionary but > content-aware fill isn't? Or why the examples of things > facial recognition is being used for *now* in consumer > products is 'Almost nothing'. > > > > It would also be useful if you could explain what you > mean by revisionist applications. I *assume* you are talking > about apps that are evolutionary rather than revolutionary > in how they change what people do with them, but it's not > clear and 'revisionist' has some very specific > connotations. > > > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mikekann at yahoo.com Sun May 2 18:14:58 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <226050.45052.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I'm just curious. What does that program that sold for two million dollars look like? --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Mark Swindell wrote: > From: Mark Swindell > Subject: Re: RevStore > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 5:00 PM > This is a very interesting post from > someone who was in a position to know what was going on back > then.? It confirms (at least for me) what I always felt > to be the case, and why Apple ultimately let HC die on the > vine.? Most coders of any language are not design > experts, nor do they, of necessity,? have much going on > in terms of artistic or aesthetic sensibilities.? > Amateur coders maybe even less.? I recall getting shot > down for offering this opinion about the dismal appearance > of the majority of HC stacks on HC and SuperCard lists years > ago.? For Apple to have its name attached to > awful-looking, poorly-written hypercard stacks was just not > a smart enterprise move, no matter how empowering the HC > platform to "the rest of us." > > The same can be true for Rev stacks, though clearly the > toolkit for nice-looking apps is much nicer.? Many of > the examples in the User section might rise to the level of > perhaps good proof-of-concept demonstrations, but many, if > not most, look unprofessional.? That's not a knock on > anyone, it's a subjective observation, but one that I think > would be confirmed by most disinterested 3rd parties.? > (Does it then become objective?)? I'm referring here, > by the way, to stand-alone apps for public consumption, not > business-related utilities, which probably account for a > great deal of the income generated off Rev programming. > > I think a great problem for Rev stacks is that they are > mostly created by one-man or woman shops.? There are > not teams with project directors, artists, photoshop > experts, animators, etc.? (Scott Rossi may qualify as a > team, in this scenario, but he is unique.) This is both > liberating and constraining, funny how that works.? If > there were more collaboration between graphic artists, > design experts and programmers, perhaps the output would be > more aesthetically viable.? But now we're dealing in > big budgets. > > Of course, this doesn't even touch on the functional aspect > of the software, which is, at the heart of things, even more > important.? But while you may not be able to judge a > book by its cover, you're more apt to open one up that is > presented interestingly and professionally than one > type-written on newsprint and held together with > paper-clips. > > Mark > > > Le 2 mai 2010 ? 04:13, J. Landman Gay a ?crit : > > > >> But with caution. I'm in favor of keeping it out > of the spotlight until there are many more apps available, > hundreds hopefully. A few meager offerings is not > inspiring. > >> > >> And they have to be quality offerings. As someone > who had to review and release hundreds of HC stacks to the > AOL libraries, I know that 99% of what came in was pure > crap. Because HC was so accessible, everyone thought they > were a developer. Avoidance of even the suggestion of a HIG > was the norm. Radio buttons used as checkboxes or > pushbuttons ("because I like how they look,") menus missing > or out of order ("I don't need an Edit menu,") known > commercial app icons (MacWrite) used for private stack > purposes ("go cd images",) you name it. Virtually everything > about these stacks was wrong. Outsiders scoffed. > Rightfully. > >> > >> And then there were the kids. I wavered between > disgust and delight. Their stacks were invariably flip card > animations done with crude line drawings, generally on > topics humorous to nine year olds. "Kill Barney" was very > popular, we had probably a dozen of those, not counting the > rejected ones. The weapon of choice varied from guns (all > models) to swords and knives; one stick man farted old > Barney to death. We had to make a separate library for these > and tag them with editorial code words like "simple line > drawings" so that everyone else would know not to download > them. > >> > >> This lack of professionalism in HC stacks was one > of the reasons it was rarely regarded as a serious tool, and > it gave HC a bad name generally. The number of really good > stacks was pretty small. Unfair as it is, the quality of the > output often reflects on the tools used rather than the > authors. If there is ever a Rev app store, it needs to have > lots of files, all of which pass a certain standard of > professionalism. That means someone has to check and verify > every submission, which would open a whole other can of > worms. > >> > >> I confess though, in retrospect I really do wish > I'd saved a copy of "Man Gets Beheaded By a Ceiling Fan." > You had to be there. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From cszasz at mac.com Sun May 2 18:20:20 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Card cut off at bottom because of menu In-Reply-To: <4BDB187D.7020608@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1272550884480-2075550.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BD9A401.4000002@hyperactivesw.com> <9819E427-9085-4BA2-8954-BED686732ED2@mac.com> <4BDB187D.7020608@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1272838820616-2123319.post@n4.nabble.com> Jacqueline, I tried your OS X menu script in my stack: on preOpenStack set the loc of this stack to the screenloc set the backgroundcolor of this stack to 255,255,255 if the platform = "MacOS" then --->This sets the menu for Mac without using the Menu Builder to set Mac menu!! set the menubar of this stack to "menugroupname" set the defaultmenubar to "menugroupname" end if end preOpenStack I saved it then I closed Rev and my stack. Then I relaunch my stack and got the following error in the IDE: executing at 6:01:29 PM Type defaultMenuBar: can't find group Object S504 Line set the defaultmenubar to "menugroupname" Hint menugroupname Any ideas why I am getting this error message? I do have anything checked in the Menu Builder. By the way I am using the Mac version of Rev Enterprise 4.0. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Card-cut-off-at-bottom-because-of-menu-tp2075550p2123319.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pete at mollysrevenge.com Sun May 2 18:28:54 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:28:54 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502220823.F17B828832B@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100502220823.F17B828832B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure what the etiquette of this board is or if there's a moderator, but surely this thing has wandered far off anything remotely to do with Revolution and taken up way too much space. Can we get back to Revolution related topics? Pete Haworth From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 18:31:30 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:31:30 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502223131.WHIS23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Yes, thanks, there are a few of us stretching back to babbage (even voltair), and more recently and more succinctly by schrodinger in his seminal "what is life" essay. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kann Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:08 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Randall, Take it up with this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Lenat He's spent thirty-five years thinking about the same issues. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Randall Reetz wrote: > From: Randall Reetz > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 4:39 PM > OK, Ian, I promised I would respond > and here goes.? Sorry I didn't before, I had assumed > your questions were rhetorical. > > When I say that software hasn't changed I mean to say that > it hasn't jumped qualitative categories.? We are still > living in a world where computing exists as pre-written and > compiled software that is blindly executed by machines and > stacked foundational code that has no idea what it is > processing, can only process linearly, all semantics have > been stripped, it doesn't learn from experience or react to > context unless this too has been pre-codified and frozen in > binary or byte code, etc. etc etc.? Hardware has been > souped up.? So our little wrote tricks can be made more > elaborate within the substantial confines mentioned.? > These same in-paradigm restrictions apply to both the > software users slog through and the software we use to write > software. > > As a result, these very plastic machines with mercurial > potential are reduced to simple players that react to user > interrupts.? They are sequencing systems, not unlike > the lead type setting racks of Guttenburg-era printing > presses.? Sure we have taught them some interesting > seeming tricks ? if you can represent something as digital > media, be it sound, video, multi-dimentional graph space, > markup ? our sequencer doesn't know enough to care. > > Current [The entire original message is not included] From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 18:36:45 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:36:45 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502223646.EEPR29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Ok, but know that apple and adobe and microsoft are dealing with this issue in the context of these big-future projections. Google too. The old paradigm is well past its its viable life span and there is nothing but russian rockets left to heft us into place while we wait for the new. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Haworth Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:28 PM To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue I'm not sure what the etiquette of this board is or if there's a moderator, but surely this thing has wandered far off anything remotely to do with Revolution and taken up way too much space. Can we get back to Revolution related topics? Pete Haworth _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mdswindell at cruzio.com Sun May 2 18:58:55 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 15:58:55 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502223646.EEPR29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502223646.EEPR29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <1A28F359-804C-4EFB-9AF6-89DFA54B232B@cruzio.com> Randall, What do you want to see software do? Please be succinct. Give a handful of examples of what you envision happening when you sit down at a computer. Real terms. No philosophy. I'm not trying to disrespect you here, I just don't fully comprehend what your vision is for software, and how that will make the computing world (and world) a better place. Thanks, Mark On May 2, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Ok, but know that apple and adobe and microsoft are dealing with this issue in the context of these big-future projections. Google too. The old paradigm is well past its its viable life span and there is nothing but russian rockets left to heft us into place while we wait for the new. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Haworth > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:28 PM > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > > I'm not sure what the etiquette of this board is or if there's a > moderator, but surely this thing has wandered far off anything > remotely to do with Revolution and taken up way too much space. Can > we get back to Revolution related topics? > > Pete Haworth > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 19:07:39 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:07:39 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502230740.ETAH29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Really, all YOU can do is nitpick? No content? What pisses you off is that I care enough to think hard and long on these issues in context? I didn't start this thread. It went on and on and on as simplistic and "childish" woe is me, steve is the devil manner until I felt I had to step in and put the tantrum under the lens of reality bigger than our shared disappointment and frustration. Everyone loves the simplicity and lynch-mob hysteria of a "tea party" cheering session. Except I guess me. If by ego you mean having the balls to think original thoughts and voice them at the risk of this constant chorus of "you make us look bad when you actually care", well you are right and it is worth everything you can throw at me to know what an authentic life feels like. I only wish you had one. Then we could engage in a conversation of more meaning and substance. -----Original Message----- From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 2:35 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Randall Reetz' robust ego wrote: > Is this the topic? Really? All you can come up with? Nasty > childish nitpicking? Yes emailing is dangerous while driving. > I wrote that note at a gas station while filling my tank. Now > at cafe and ready to respond to substantive questions and comments. > > On May 2, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> On 02/05/2010 22:40, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >>> Driving right now so will answer your questions as soon as I am out of my car. >>> >> >> That sounds fairly dangerous: answering e-mails while driving. if "Driving right now" is not "I wrote that note at a gas station" then put "The author, or his robust ego cares very little about anything beyond fueling that ego with negative attention and wasted bandwidth on tangents that are far removed from the topic" closeTopic else put "This is childish nitpicking, NOT!" -- he uses the word 'childish' alot too, although if someone were to -- be seriously injured by responding to email while driving, -- I doubt whether that ego would be shaken in the least end if [The entire original message is not included] From mikekann at yahoo.com Sun May 2 19:07:56 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <1A28F359-804C-4EFB-9AF6-89DFA54B232B@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <378847.99165.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> As I read what Randall proposes, you won't "sit down at a computer." The computer will have enough knowledge of the world to work full-time making the world a better place. Every so often it will sit down with a human to explain what it has discovered and what the human can do to help. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Mark Swindell wrote: > From: Mark Swindell > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 5:58 PM > Randall, > > What do you want to see software do?? Please be > succinct.? Give a handful of examples of what you > envision happening when you sit down at a computer.? > Real terms.? No philosophy.? I'm not trying to > disrespect you here, I just don't fully comprehend what your > vision is for software, and how that will make the computing > world (and world) a better place. > > Thanks, > Mark > > > > On May 2, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > > > Ok, but know that apple and adobe and microsoft are > dealing with this issue in the context of these big-future > projections.? Google too.? The old paradigm is > well past its its viable life span and there is nothing but > russian rockets left to heft us into place while we wait for > the new.??? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Peter Haworth > > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:28 PM > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash > issue > > > > I'm not sure what the etiquette of this board is or if > there's a? > > moderator, but surely this thing has wandered far off > anything? > > remotely to do with Revolution and taken up way too > much space.? Can? > > we get back to Revolution related topics? > > > > Pete Haworth > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mdswindell at cruzio.com Sun May 2 19:11:19 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:11:19 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <378847.99165.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <378847.99165.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9CE7AD8E-40DB-457E-9AE7-E2BC9DB3C6E9@cruzio.com> Maybe, but I suspect Randall has some ideas that I'd really like to hear about. For the life of me, I have a hard time deciphering what they are. But I'd like to hear about them, in simplest terms, without ambiguity. Mark On May 2, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > As I read what Randall proposes, you won't "sit down at a computer." The computer will have enough knowledge of the world to work full-time making the world a better place. Every so often it will sit down with a human to explain what it has discovered and what the human can do to help. > > > --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Mark Swindell wrote: > >> From: Mark Swindell >> Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 5:58 PM >> Randall, >> >> What do you want to see software do? Please be >> succinct. Give a handful of examples of what you >> envision happening when you sit down at a computer. >> Real terms. No philosophy. I'm not trying to >> disrespect you here, I just don't fully comprehend what your >> vision is for software, and how that will make the computing >> world (and world) a better place. >> >> Thanks, >> Mark >> >> >> >> On May 2, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >> >>> Ok, but know that apple and adobe and microsoft are >> dealing with this issue in the context of these big-future >> projections. Google too. The old paradigm is >> well past its its viable life span and there is nothing but >> russian rockets left to heft us into place while we wait for >> the new. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Peter Haworth >>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:28 PM >>> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash >> issue >>> >>> I'm not sure what the etiquette of this board is or if >> there's a >>> moderator, but surely this thing has wandered far off >> anything >>> remotely to do with Revolution and taken up way too >> much space. Can >>> we get back to Revolution related topics? >>> >>> Pete Haworth >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and >> manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and >> manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage >> your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Sun May 2 19:12:26 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 09:12:26 +1000 Subject: httpproxy with username and password? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How do I go about retrieving web data when I need to set the httpproxy AND the proxy server requires a username and password? I've tried appending a username/password combination in front of the IP address (user:pass at someIPaddress) but that doesn't seem to work. TIA, Terry... From mikekann at yahoo.com Sun May 2 19:13:35 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <9CE7AD8E-40DB-457E-9AE7-E2BC9DB3C6E9@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <431385.75612.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mark, I wasn't trying to be funny. I really think that scenario is what Randall envisions. Mike --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Mark Swindell wrote: > From: Mark Swindell > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 6:11 PM > Maybe, but I suspect Randall has some > ideas that I'd really like to hear about.? For the life > of me, I have a hard time deciphering what they are.? > But I'd like to hear about them, in simplest terms, without > ambiguity. > > Mark > > > On May 2, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > > > As I read what Randall proposes, you won't "sit down > at a computer." The computer will have enough knowledge of > the world to work full-time making the world a better place. > Every so often it will sit down with a human to explain what > it has discovered and what the human can do to help. > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Mark Swindell > wrote: > > > >> From: Mark Swindell > >> Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash > issue > >> To: "How to use Revolution" > >> Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 5:58 PM > >> Randall, > >> > >> What do you want to see software do?? Please > be > >> succinct.? Give a handful of examples of what > you > >> envision happening when you sit down at a > computer. > >> Real terms.? No philosophy.? I'm not > trying to > >> disrespect you here, I just don't fully comprehend > what your > >> vision is for software, and how that will make the > computing > >> world (and world) a better place. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Mark > >> > >> > >> > >> On May 2, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Randall Lee Reetz > wrote: > >> > >>> Ok, but know that apple and adobe and > microsoft are > >> dealing with this issue in the context of these > big-future > >> projections.? Google too.? The old > paradigm is > >> well past its its viable life span and there is > nothing but > >> russian rockets left to heft us into place while > we wait for > >> the new.??? > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Peter Haworth > >>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:28 PM > >>> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >>> Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the > Flash > >> issue > >>> > >>> I'm not sure what the etiquette of this board > is or if > >> there's a? > >>> moderator, but surely this thing has wandered > far off > >> anything? > >>> remotely to do with Revolution and taken up > way too > >> much space.? Can? > >>> we get back to Revolution related topics? > >>> > >>> Pete Haworth > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> use-revolution mailing list > >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, > unsubscribe and > >> manage your subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> use-revolution mailing list > >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, > unsubscribe and > >> manage your subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe > and manage > >> your subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 19:20:09 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:20:09 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502232010.EYQR29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> You can answer that question your self easly enough. Close your eyes, imagine evolution doing what evolution does. Where will complexity handling systems be in 10, 20, 100 years? The whole notion of sitting down at a computer is hopelessly old-school. The better question really is "what is it that systems want? Any systems. Humans are a system. Is it the shovel we are after, or is it the ditch, is it water we want or the fruit it grows, is it the fruit or the energy we receive, is it the energy or is it the use we put that energy towards, what are these uses, what drives us towards them, where is it all headed? Is any of this something that is best embodied in a spread sheet or a web page or a slide show? aren't these notions simply the result of the limitations our imaginations place upon the future as a result of historical experience? The real question becomes, what do you want out of life? What does life want? What is life? What will life be? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Swindell Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:58 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Randall, What do you want to see software do? Please be succinct. Give a handful of examples of what you envision happening when you sit down at a computer. Real terms. No philosophy. I'm not trying to disrespect you here, I just don't fully comprehend what your vision is for software, and how that will make the computing world (and world) a better place. Thanks, Mark On May 2, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Ok, but know that apple and adobe and microsoft are dealing with this issue in the context of these big-future projections. Google too. The old paradigm is well past its its viable life span and there is nothing but russian rockets left to heft us into place while we wait for the new. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Haworth > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:28 PM > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com [The entire original message is not included] From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 19:30:27 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:30:27 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100502233028.XJBF23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> I doubt this. I doubt that it will be an it so much as it will be the infrastructure through which the world will come alive reflecting the intention of the intermingled motivations and resources of the entities at play in the global info sphere. What we can say for certain is that systems complexity has reached the limits of what is comfortable for human minds to manage manually even with the he -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kann Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:07 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue As I read what Randall proposes, you won't "sit down at a computer." The computer will have enough knowledge of the world to work full-time making the world a better place. Every so often it will sit down with a human to explain what it has discovered and what the human can do to help. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Mark Swindell wrote: > From: Mark Swindell > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 5:58 PM > Randall, > > What do you want to see software do?? Please be > succinct.? Give a handful of examples of what you > envision happening when you sit down at a computer.? > Real terms.? No philosophy.? I'm not trying to > disrespect you here, I just don't fully comprehend what your > vision is for software, and how that will make the computing > world (and world) a better place. > > Thanks, > Mark > > > > On May 2, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > > > Ok, but know that apple and adobe and microsoft are > dealing with this issue in the context of these big-future > projections.? Google too.? The old paradigm is > well past its its viable life span and there is nothing but > russian rockets left to heft us into place while we wait for > the new.??? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Peter Haworth > > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:28 PM > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash > issue > > > > I'm not sure what the etiquette of this board is or if > there's a? > > moderator, but surely this thing has wandered far off > anything? > > remotely to do with Revolution and taken up way too > much space.? Can? > > we get back to Revolution related topics? [The entire original message is not included] From bvlahos at mac.com Sun May 2 19:42:05 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 16:42:05 -0700 Subject: How do I put an image in memory into an image object? In-Reply-To: References: <77B962B4-9C77-43EA-9631-8B52065D555A@mac.com> Message-ID: <45CAFD2B-38AF-4B49-9FE6-B9FA1B28ABC5@mac.com> That doesn't work. The command I'm using is set the imageData of image "iPicture" to vPicture Where iPicture is an image object and vPicture is the image in a variable. Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On May 2, 2010, at 2:59 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: > 2010/5/2 Bill Vlahos : >> I have an image on disk that is encrypted. I can decrypt the image in memory but how do I put that image variable into an image object? I would also like to automatically fit the image into the predefined object. >> >> I can set the fileName but that means the file exists on disk not encrypted. >> >> Bill Vlahos > > Hi Bill, > > Have you tried to set the imageData property of your image object? > > set the imageData of image to binaryData > > > HTH > > > Regards, > -- > -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) > http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun May 2 19:44:59 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:44:59 -0700 Subject: How do I put an image in memory into an image object? In-Reply-To: <45CAFD2B-38AF-4B49-9FE6-B9FA1B28ABC5@mac.com> References: <77B962B4-9C77-43EA-9631-8B52065D555A@mac.com> <45CAFD2B-38AF-4B49-9FE6-B9FA1B28ABC5@mac.com> Message-ID: try 'set the *text* of image "iPicture" to vPicture instead... I know it sounds stupid but... On 2 May 2010 16:42, Bill Vlahos wrote: > That doesn't work. The command I'm using is > > set the imageData of image "iPicture" to vPicture > > Where iPicture is an image object and vPicture is the image in a variable. > > Bill Vlahos > _________________ > InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important > life information with you, accessible, and secure. > > On May 2, 2010, at 2:59 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: > > > 2010/5/2 Bill Vlahos : > >> I have an image on disk that is encrypted. I can decrypt the image in > memory but how do I put that image variable into an image object? I would > also like to automatically fit the image into the predefined object. > >> > >> I can set the fileName but that means the file exists on disk not > encrypted. > >> > >> Bill Vlahos > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > Have you tried to set the imageData property of your image object? > > > > set the imageData of image to binaryData > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > Regards, > > -- > > -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) > > http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From mdswindell at cruzio.com Sun May 2 19:45:47 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:45:47 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502232010.EYQR29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100502232010.EYQR29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: I can answer the question of your vision myself? I asked you to share your vision, in simplest terms, without ambiguity, through a few examples. Instead you answer with more obfuscation. I can only think, after a certain point, that you don't really have a vision what you're after. And don't say I didn't ask or that I'm in need of a teacher to tell me what to think or how to behave. SImple questions deserve simple answers. Mark On May 2, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > You can answer that question your self easly enough. Close your eyes, imagine evolution doing what evolution does. Where will complexity handling systems be in 10, 20, 100 years? The whole notion of sitting down at a computer is hopelessly old-school. The better question really is "what is it that systems want? Any systems. Humans are a system. Is it the shovel we are after, or is it the ditch, is it water we want or the fruit it grows, is it the fruit or the energy we receive, is it the energy or is it the use we put that energy towards, what are these uses, what drives us towards them, where is it all headed? Is any of this something that is best embodied in a spread sheet or a web page or a slide show? aren't these notions simply the result of the limitations our imaginations place upon the future as a result of historical experience? The real question becomes, what do you want out of life? What does life want? What is life? What will life be? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Swindell > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:58 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > > Randall, > > What do you want to see software do? Please be succinct. Give a handful of examples of what you envision happening when you sit down at a computer. Real terms. No philosophy. I'm not trying to disrespect you here, I just don't fully comprehend what your vision is for software, and how that will make the computing world (and world) a better place. > > Thanks, > Mark > > > > On May 2, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > >> Ok, but know that apple and adobe and microsoft are dealing with this issue in the context of these big-future projections. Google too. The old paradigm is well past its its viable life span and there is nothing but russian rockets left to heft us into place while we wait for the new. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Haworth >> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:28 PM >> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > [The entire original message is not included] > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From crw at nosirrah.com Sun May 2 19:52:05 2010 From: crw at nosirrah.com (Graham & Heather Harrison) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:52:05 +1000 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100502220823.9ADC128832F@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100502220823.9ADC128832F@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <06AFAEA5-E29E-49B7-BF19-8FB9ABD5021C@nosirrah.com> Randall Reetz wrote: > We are still living in a world where computing exists as pre-written and compiled software that is blindly executed by machines and stacked foundational code that has no idea what it is processing, can only process linearly, all semantics have been stripped, it doesn't learn from experience or react to context unless this too has been pre-codified and frozen in binary or byte code, etc. etc etc.? > ? So our little wrote tricks can be made more elaborate? > ? What it means is the difference between writing a letter and our computer interceding by understanding the meta-intent of the wrote and inefficient processes we engage in today Now that's what I call a self-proving proposition. "And though they wrote it all by rote, they did not write it right." From jhj at jhj.com Sun May 2 20:07:41 2010 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 17:07:41 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <06AFAEA5-E29E-49B7-BF19-8FB9ABD5021C@nosirrah.com> References: <20100502220823.9ADC128832F@mail.runrev.com> <06AFAEA5-E29E-49B7-BF19-8FB9ABD5021C@nosirrah.com> Message-ID: <5DE77E41-4AED-4BA1-8A39-9C7B13559942@jhj.com> On May 2, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Graham & Heather Harrison wrote: > Randall Reetz wrote: > >> We are still living in a world where computing exists as pre-written and compiled software that is blindly executed by machines and stacked foundational code that has no idea what it is processing, can only process linearly, all semantics have been stripped, it doesn't learn from experience or react to context unless this too has been pre-codified and frozen in binary or byte code, etc. etc etc.? > >> ? So our little wrote tricks can be made more elaborate? > >> ? What it means is the difference between writing a letter and our computer interceding by understanding the meta-intent of the wrote and inefficient processes we engage in today > > > Now that's what I call a self-proving proposition. > > "And though they wrote it all by rote, they did not write it right." Aw, I'm getting tired of waiting for yet another proof of Godwin's law. Lets just go straight to a spelling flame, eh? -- the other Jerry From kkaufman at snet.net Sun May 2 20:46:05 2010 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:46:05 -0400 Subject: Rev and the iPad Message-ID: Peter Alcibiades: > ...It does seem increasingly likely that cross platform in this > industry doesn't any more mean Linux Mac and Windows, it means mobile and > desktop and network.... Too bad we don't have a "crystal ball" we could use to predict the future. Kurt From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 2 20:48:40 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 19:48:40 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100502220823.F17B828832B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4BDE1D68.4050401@hyperactivesw.com> Peter Haworth wrote: > I'm not sure what the etiquette of this board is or if there's a > moderator, but surely this thing has wandered far off anything remotely > to do with Revolution and taken up way too much space. Can we get back > to Revolution related topics? Every few months, Randall interjects into a thread, which immediately swerves off-topic, escalates, and pisses off a bunch of people. Every time it happens, a few people swear they will never talk to him again. Mostly they don't. Unfortunately, each time it happens, new people get sucked in and the whole thing repeats itself. The best way to end this is to stop replying. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 2 20:49:15 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 19:49:15 -0500 Subject: Card cut off at bottom because of menu In-Reply-To: <1272838820616-2123319.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1272550884480-2075550.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BD9A401.4000002@hyperactivesw.com> <9819E427-9085-4BA2-8954-BED686732ED2@mac.com> <4BDB187D.7020608@hyperactivesw.com> <1272838820616-2123319.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BDE1D8B.9000702@hyperactivesw.com> charles61 wrote: > Jacqueline, > > I tried your OS X menu script in my stack: > > on preOpenStack > set the loc of this stack to the screenloc > set the backgroundcolor of this stack to 255,255,255 > > if the platform = "MacOS" then --->This sets the menu for Mac without > using the Menu Builder to set Mac menu!! > set the menubar of this stack to "menugroupname" > set the defaultmenubar to "menugroupname" > end if > > end preOpenStack > > I saved it then I closed Rev and my stack. Then I relaunch my stack and got > the following error in the IDE: > > executing at 6:01:29 PM > Type defaultMenuBar: can't find group > Object S504 > Line set the defaultmenubar to "menugroupname" > Hint menugroupname You need to put the real name of your menu group in there. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 20:56:08 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 17:56:08 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100503005609.GULK29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and purposeful deceit. History will judge. Are you galileo or the church? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Swindell Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:45 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue I can answer the question of your vision myself? I asked you to share your vision, in simplest terms, without ambiguity, through a few examples. Instead you answer with more obfuscation. I can only think, after a certain point, that you don't really have a vision what you're after. And don't say I didn't ask or that I'm in need of a teacher to tell me what to think or how to behave. SImple questions deserve simple answers. Mark On May 2, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > You can answer that question your self easly enough. Close your eyes, imagine evolution doing what evolution does. Where will complexity handling systems be in 10, 20, 100 years? The whole notion of sitting down at a computer is hopelessly old-school. The better question really is "what is it that systems want? Any systems. Humans are a system. Is it the shovel we are after, or is it the ditch, is it water we want or the fruit it grows, is it the fruit or the energy we receive, is it the energy or is it the use we put that energy towards, what are these uses, what drives us towards them, where is it all headed? Is any of this something that is best embodied in a spread sheet or a web page or a slide show? aren't these notions simply the result of the limitations our imaginations place upon the future as a result of historical experience? The real question becomes, what do you want out of life? [The entire original message is not included] From mikekann at yahoo.com Sun May 2 20:56:44 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 17:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BDE1D68.4050401@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <491734.52726.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> It's like pledge week on public television. Just check back every once in a while to see if the regular programming has resumed. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, J. Landman Gay wrote: > From: J. Landman Gay > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 7:48 PM > Peter Haworth wrote: > > I'm not sure what the etiquette of this board is or if > there's a moderator, but surely this thing has wandered far > off anything remotely to do with Revolution and taken up way > too much space.? Can we get back to Revolution related > topics? > > Every few months, Randall interjects into a thread, which > immediately swerves off-topic, escalates, and pisses off a > bunch of people. Every time it happens, a few people swear > they will never talk to him again. Mostly they don't. > Unfortunately, each time it happens, new people get sucked > in and the whole thing repeats itself. > > The best way to end this is to stop replying. > > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay? ? ? > ???|? ???jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software? ? ? ? > ???|? ???http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From chipp at chipp.com Sun May 2 20:57:41 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 19:57:41 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <5DE77E41-4AED-4BA1-8A39-9C7B13559942@jhj.com> References: <20100502220823.9ADC128832F@mail.runrev.com> <06AFAEA5-E29E-49B7-BF19-8FB9ABD5021C@nosirrah.com> <5DE77E41-4AED-4BA1-8A39-9C7B13559942@jhj.com> Message-ID: J. Godwin or Goodwin? On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Jerry J wrote: > Aw, I'm getting tired of waiting for yet another proof of Godwin's law. > Lets just go straight to a spelling flame, eh? > From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 21:01:21 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 18:01:21 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100503010122.GWTP29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> ... even with the aid of spreadsheets, databases, java and C. Q? Which had more effect on human affairs, the words of any one person, or the printing press that democratized access an publication? The revolution at hand is as grand as the one that resulted in biology. -----Original Message----- From: Randall Lee Reetz Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:30 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue I doubt this. I doubt that it will be an it so much as it will be the infrastructure through which the world will come alive reflecting the intention of the intermingled motivations and resources of the entities at play in the global info sphere. What we can say for certain is that systems complexity has reached the limits of what is comfortable for human minds to manage manually even with the he -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kann Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:07 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue As I read what Randall proposes, you won't "sit down at a computer." The computer will have enough knowledge of the world to work full-time making the world a better place. Every so often it will sit down with a human to explain what it has discovered and what the human can do to help. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Mark Swindell wrote: > From: Mark Swindell > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 5:58 PM > Randall, [The entire original message is not included] From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 21:03:33 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 18:03:33 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100503010334.ZDKL23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> If you think what I have said is philosophy you are going to be wildly shocked by the next twenty years. -----Original Message----- From: Randall Lee Reetz Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:20 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue You can answer that question your self easly enough. Close your eyes, imagine evolution doing what evolution does. Where will complexity handling systems be in 10, 20, 100 years? The whole notion of sitting down at a computer is hopelessly old-school. The better question really is "what is it that systems want? Any systems. Humans are a system. Is it the shovel we are after, or is it the ditch, is it water we want or the fruit it grows, is it the fruit or the energy we receive, is it the energy or is it the use we put that energy towards, what are these uses, what drives us towards them, where is it all headed? Is any of this something that is best embodied in a spread sheet or a web page or a slide show? aren't these notions simply the result of the limitations our imaginations place upon the future as a result of historical experience? The real question becomes, what do you want out of life? What does life want? What is life? What will life be? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Swindell Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:58 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Randall, What do you want to see software do? Please be succinct. Give a handful of examples of what you envision happening when you sit down at a computer. Real terms. No philosophy. I'm not trying to disrespect you here, I just don't fully comprehend what your vision is for software, and how that will [The entire original message is not included] From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Sun May 2 21:06:12 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (tsj) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 11:06:12 +1000 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100503005609.GULK29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: I'm starting to think that Randall has already realised his dream and that it's not him but a piece of software that is corresponding with us. And, not only is it hyper intelligent (and thoughtful) but it's context-aware and motion sensitive (on the road, in a caf?) ;) It might be off-topic (mostly) but there are some interesting (general) ideas in there and for the most part I'm enjoying it. Cheers, Terry... On 3/05/10 10:56 AM, "Randall Lee Reetz" wrote: > Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and > purposeful deceit. History will judge. Are you galileo or the church? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Swindell > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:45 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > > I can answer the question of your vision myself? I asked you to share your > vision, in simplest terms, without ambiguity, through a few examples. Instead > you answer with more obfuscation. I can only think, after a certain point, > that you don't really have a vision what you're after. And don't say I didn't > ask or that I'm in need of a teacher to tell me what to think or how to > behave. SImple questions deserve simple answers. > > Mark > > > On May 2, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > >> You can answer that question your self easly enough. Close your eyes, >> imagine evolution doing what evolution does. Where will complexity handling >> systems be in 10, 20, 100 years? The whole notion of sitting down at a >> computer is hopelessly old-school. The better question really is "what is it >> that systems want? Any systems. Humans are a system. Is it the shovel we >> are after, or is it the ditch, is it water we want or the fruit it grows, is >> it the fruit or the energy we receive, is it the energy or is it the use we >> put that energy towards, what are these uses, what drives us towards them, >> where is it all headed? Is any of this something that is best embodied in a >> spread sheet or a web page or a slide show? aren't these notions simply the >> result of the limitations our imaginations place upon the future as a result >> of historical experience? The real question becomes, what do you want out of >> life? > > > [The entire original message is not included] > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sun May 2 21:22:13 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 21:22:13 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BDE1D68.4050401@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On 05/02/2010 at 08:49 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > Every few months, Randall interjects into a thread, which immediately > swerves off-topic, escalates, and pisses off a bunch of people. Every > time it happens, a few people swear they will never talk to him again. > Mostly they don't. Unfortunately, each time it happens, new people get > sucked in and the whole thing repeats itself. > > The best way to end this is to stop replying. So much of Randall's commentary is very very interesting. He is obviously a scholar and a visionary. I only ask, why is he so bitter? There is nothing we can do to bring forth his era of computing bliss. I simply like using Revolution. Keyword "using". Randall wants improvements in leaps so grand that only aliens or secret government technologies may conceive of. Someone recently told me that the our technology today had exceeded that of science-fiction's very own "Star Trek". I will agree that the cell phone and iPad look like devices that were conceived of on sci-fi television, yet we still burn fossil-fuels to go to the supermarket. ~Roger Eller From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 21:42:10 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 18:42:10 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100503014211.ZXNM23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Not only do I believe this is happening, I am building (or attempting to build) a seed sufficient to evolve towards its eventuality. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kann Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:13 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Mark, I wasn't trying to be funny. I really think that scenario is what Randall envisions. Mike --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Mark Swindell wrote: > From: Mark Swindell > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 6:11 PM > Maybe, but I suspect Randall has some > ideas that I'd really like to hear about.? For the life > of me, I have a hard time deciphering what they are.? > But I'd like to hear about them, in simplest terms, without > ambiguity. > > Mark > > > On May 2, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > > > As I read what Randall proposes, you won't "sit down > at a computer." The computer will have enough knowledge of > the world to work full-time making the world a better place. > Every so often it will sit down with a human to explain what > it has discovered and what the human can do to help. > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Mark Swindell > wrote: > > > >> From: Mark Swindell > >> Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash > issue > >> To: "How to use Revolution" > >> Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 5:58 PM > >> Randall, > >> > >> What do you want to see software do?? Please > be > >> succinct.? Give a handful of examples of what > you > >> envision happening when you sit down at a > computer. > >> Real terms.? No philosophy.? I'm not > trying to > >> disrespect you here, I just don't fully comprehend > what your > >> vision is for software, and how that will make the > computing > >> world (and world) a better place. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Mark > >> > >> > >> > >> On May 2, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Randall Lee Reetz > wrote: > >> > >>> Ok, but [The entire original message is not included] From bvlahos at mac.com Sun May 2 21:52:51 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 18:52:51 -0700 Subject: How do I put an image in memory into an image object? In-Reply-To: References: <77B962B4-9C77-43EA-9631-8B52065D555A@mac.com> <45CAFD2B-38AF-4B49-9FE6-B9FA1B28ABC5@mac.com> Message-ID: <0CE19E9D-418A-4158-9053-ED64CDAEF47C@mac.com> Nope. That doesn't work either. Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On May 2, 2010, at 4:44 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > try 'set the *text* of image "iPicture" to vPicture instead... > > I know it sounds stupid but... > > On 2 May 2010 16:42, Bill Vlahos wrote: > >> That doesn't work. The command I'm using is >> >> set the imageData of image "iPicture" to vPicture >> >> Where iPicture is an image object and vPicture is the image in a variable. >> >> Bill Vlahos >> _________________ >> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important >> life information with you, accessible, and secure. >> >> On May 2, 2010, at 2:59 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: >> >>> 2010/5/2 Bill Vlahos : >>>> I have an image on disk that is encrypted. I can decrypt the image in >> memory but how do I put that image variable into an image object? I would >> also like to automatically fit the image into the predefined object. >>>> >>>> I can set the fileName but that means the file exists on disk not >> encrypted. >>>> >>>> Bill Vlahos >>> >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> Have you tried to set the imageData property of your image object? >>> >>> set the imageData of image to binaryData >>> >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> -- >>> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) >>> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > Back home in SF > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 22:00:16 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 19:00:16 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100503020018.FWH23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> I am not bitter. I am so hopping to engage at the requisite level to pass this baton into the future. The numbers aren't good. We are faced with the largest challenge in the history of multicellular biology. All anyone seems to want to talk about is "the economy" or ipad apps. Its suicidal. There must be people out there that care and care from a grounded and practical perspective? Even if the global heat budget wasn't skyrocketing, we would still be served by larger discussions than the is and if not of steve jobs... No? You can't simultaneously pitch about urban finality and poopoo rational attempts to discuss ways to crawl out of it? Why does my passion and sense of responsibility to honor the past that put us here, anger anyone? I refuse to believe the vitrol pushed towards me is simply a reaction to my honest frustration. Should we just keep dancing on titanic's deck? Is stupidity the new brilliant? -----Original Message----- From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 6:22 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 05/02/2010 at 08:49 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > Every few months, Randall interjects into a thread, which immediately > swerves off-topic, escalates, and pisses off a bunch of people. Every > time it happens, a few people swear they will never talk to him again. > Mostly they don't. Unfortunately, each time it happens, new people get > sucked in and the whole thing repeats itself. > > The best way to end this is to stop replying. So much of Randall's commentary is very very interesting. He is obviously a scholar and a visionary. I only ask, why is he so bitter? There is nothing we can do to bring forth his era of computing bliss. I simply like using Revolution. Keyword "using". Randall wants improvements in leaps so grand that only aliens or secret government technologies may conceive of. Someone recently told me that the our technology today had exceeded that of science-fiction's very own "Star Trek". I will agree that the cell phone and iPad look like devices that were conceived of on sci-fi television, yet we still burn fossil-fuels to go to the supermarket. ~Roger Eller _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: [The entire original message is not included] From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun May 2 22:01:08 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 12:01:08 +1000 Subject: How do I put an image in memory into an image object? In-Reply-To: <77B962B4-9C77-43EA-9631-8B52065D555A@mac.com> References: <77B962B4-9C77-43EA-9631-8B52065D555A@mac.com> Message-ID: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > I have an image on disk that is encrypted. I can decrypt the image in memory but how do I put that image variable into an image object? I would also like to automatically fit the image into the predefined object. > > I can set the fileName but that means the file exists on disk not encrypted. What about: put tUnencryptedData into image "Picture" Cheers, Sarah From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 2 22:12:32 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 19:12:32 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100503021233.LAZ23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> I am not bitter. I am so hopping to engage at the requisite level to pass this baton into the future. The numbers aren't good. We are faced with the largest challenge in the history of multicellular biology. All anyone seems to want to talk about is "the economy" or ipad apps. Its suicidal. There must be people out there that care and care from a grounded and practical perspective? Even if the global heat budget wasn't skyrocketing, we would still be served by larger discussions than the ifs and if nots of steve jobs... No? You can't simultaneously bitch about urban banality and poopoo rational attempts to discuss ways to crawl out of it? Why does my passion and sense of responsibility to honor the awsome sacrifices of the past that put us here, anger anyone? I refuse to believe the vitrol pushed towards me is simply a reaction to my honest frustration. Should we just keep dancing on titanic's deck? Is stupidity the new brilliant? -----Original Message----- From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 6:22 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 05/02/2010 at 08:49 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > Every few months, Randall interjects into a thread, which immediately > swerves off-topic, escalates, and pisses off a bunch of people. Every > time it happens, a few people swear they will never talk to him again. > Mostly they don't. Unfortunately, each time it happens, new people get > sucked in and the whole thing repeats itself. [The entire original message is not included] From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 2 22:15:49 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 21:15:49 -0500 Subject: [OT, way way OT] Barney, HC, and the glory days In-Reply-To: <4BDDD70D.8070009@gmail.com> References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDDD70D.8070009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BDE31D5.6080300@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > anybody for a purple dinosaur . . . or 2 ??? I couldn't resist. Although "Man Beheaded by a Ceiling Fan" is forever lost, there is one surviving stack of the Kill Barney genre. It converted to Rev, and then to a revlet, without a hitch. Perhaps it survived because it contains no stick men. The masochists among us may squint into the past here, provided you have the RevWeb plugin: I am embarrassed to say that I have watched this several times after unearthing it. It brings back such mixed memories. I might add that Bob West, the first and original voice of Barney, was an active participant on the AOL HC Forum, and was occasionally annoyed that his rapt audience became sour critics after a few years, and mildly irritated that they persisted in uploading these files. I had the good fortune to talk to him on the phone once about some AOL business, and he kept changing his voice between his natural one, Barney, and various other characters and accents, leaving me in stitches, not to mention confused about who I was really talking to. He was a joy, a really nice guy. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mdswindell at cruzio.com Sun May 2 22:17:43 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 19:17:43 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100503005609.GULK29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100503005609.GULK29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: Randall, Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. Mark On May 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and purposeful deceit. History will judge. Are you galileo or the church? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Swindell > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:45 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > > I can answer the question of your vision myself? I asked you to share your vision, in simplest terms, without ambiguity, through a few examples. Instead you answer with more obfuscation. I can only think, after a certain point, that you don't really have a vision what you're after. And don't say I didn't ask or that I'm in need of a teacher to tell me what to think or how to behave. SImple questions deserve simple answers. > > Mark > > > On May 2, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > >> You can answer that question your self easly enough. Close your eyes, imagine evolution doing what evolution does. Where will complexity handling systems be in 10, 20, 100 years? The whole notion of sitting down at a computer is hopelessly old-school. The better question really is "what is it that systems want? Any systems. Humans are a system. Is it the shovel we are after, or is it the ditch, is it water we want or the fruit it grows, is it the fruit or the energy we receive, is it the energy or is it the use we put that energy towards, what are these uses, what drives us towards them, where is it all headed? Is any of this something that is best embodied in a spread sheet or a web page or a slide show? aren't these notions simply the result of the limitations our imaginations place upon the future as a result of historical experience? The real question becomes, what do you want out of life? > > > [The entire original message is not included] > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From massung at gmail.com Sun May 2 22:23:07 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 21:23:07 -0500 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote: > Peter Alcibiades: > > > Too bad we don't have a "crystal ball" we could use to predict the future. > > How about a magic 8-ball? ;-) Jeff M. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 2 22:30:11 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 21:30:11 -0500 Subject: Printing in Windows In-Reply-To: <8B4F65DF9040491B9E6BAEB01F20E52D@Home> References: <20100501170005.4B4CD2882AF@mail.runrev.com> <8B4F65DF9040491B9E6BAEB01F20E52D@Home> Message-ID: <4BDE3533.9010305@hyperactivesw.com> Steve King wrote: > Hi All > > I am also having problems printing in Windows. > > In development, setting print orientation works fine. In the standalone it > doesn't. I get Landscape in the development but portrait (the printer > default) in the standalone. > > I do the following > > Read printer orientation > Store it > Set it to landscape > Print > Wait 2 seconds (incase being set to portrait to quickly) > Set back to portrait > > Any suggestions? If you're using any of the "rev" prefixed print commands, you need to include the Printing library in the standalone. It doesn't sound like that's the problem though. Can you post the relevant part of your script? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sun May 2 22:34:22 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 22:34:22 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It has been 10 minutes. Shhhh. I think he's asleep. ;-) From bvlahos at mac.com Sun May 2 22:44:19 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 19:44:19 -0700 Subject: How do I put an image in memory into an image object? In-Reply-To: References: <77B962B4-9C77-43EA-9631-8B52065D555A@mac.com> Message-ID: Sarah, Bingo. That does it. I can lock the image size but the image doesn't scale evenly. How can I get it to scale evenly within the image boundary? Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On May 2, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote: >> I have an image on disk that is encrypted. I can decrypt the image in memory but how do I put that image variable into an image object? I would also like to automatically fit the image into the predefined object. >> >> I can set the fileName but that means the file exists on disk not encrypted. > > > What about: > put tUnencryptedData into image "Picture" > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sun May 2 22:45:29 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 22:45:29 -0400 Subject: [OT, way way OT] Barney, HC, and the glory days In-Reply-To: <4BDE31D5.6080300@hyperactivesw.com> References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDDD70D.8070009@gmail.com> <4BDE31D5.6080300@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <851878A3-7999-4482-BD5C-EBD552D31C42@mac.com> WOW, does this take me back to the old days... I just want to go code a card based animation in B&W and see if it will go viral on Facebook!!!!! Love it, Thank you so very much for this.... Tom McGrath On May 2, 2010, at 10:15 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> anybody for a purple dinosaur . . . or 2 ??? > > I couldn't resist. Although "Man Beheaded by a Ceiling Fan" is forever lost, there is one surviving stack of the Kill Barney genre. It converted to Rev, and then to a revlet, without a hitch. Perhaps it survived because it contains no stick men. The masochists among us may squint into the past here, provided you have the RevWeb plugin: > > > > I am embarrassed to say that I have watched this several times after unearthing it. It brings back such mixed memories. > > I might add that Bob West, the first and original voice of Barney, was an active participant on the AOL HC Forum, and was occasionally annoyed that his rapt audience became sour critics after a few years, and mildly irritated that they persisted in uploading these files. I had the good fortune to talk to him on the phone once about some AOL business, and he kept changing his voice between his natural one, Barney, and various other characters and accents, leaving me in stitches, not to mention confused about who I was really talking to. He was a joy, a really nice guy. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sun May 2 22:47:12 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 22:47:12 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100503005609.GULK29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: [...] NSString *documentsDirectory = [paths objectAtIndex:0]; while(!madeNewPath) { imgPath = [documentsDirectory stringByAppendingPathComponent:[NSString stringWithFormat:@"WhatThe%i.jpg",x]]; if([[NSFileManager defaultManager] fileExistsAtPath:imgPath]) x++; else madeNewPath = TRUE; } [...] restoredImg = [UIImage imageWithData:[NSData dataWithContentsOfFile:imgPath]]; On May 2, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: > Randall, > > Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. > > Mark > > On May 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > >> Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and purposeful deceit. History will judge. Are you galileo or the church? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Swindell >> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:45 PM >> To: How to use Revolution >> Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue >> >> I can answer the question of your vision myself? I asked you to share your vision, in simplest terms, without ambiguity, through a few examples. Instead you answer with more obfuscation. I can only think, after a certain point, that you don't really have a vision what you're after. And don't say I didn't ask or that I'm in need of a teacher to tell me what to think or how to behave. SImple questions deserve simple answers. >> >> Mark >> >> >> On May 2, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >> >>> You can answer that question your self easly enough. Close your eyes, imagine evolution doing what evolution does. Where will complexity handling systems be in 10, 20, 100 years? The whole notion of sitting down at a computer is hopelessly old-school. The better question really is "what is it that systems want? Any systems. Humans are a system. Is it the shovel we are after, or is it the ditch, is it water we want or the fruit it grows, is it the fruit or the energy we receive, is it the energy or is it the use we put that energy towards, what are these uses, what drives us towards them, where is it all headed? Is any of this something that is best embodied in a spread sheet or a web page or a slide show? aren't these notions simply the result of the limitations our imaginations place upon the future as a result of historical experience? The real question becomes, what do you want out of life? >> >> >> [The entire original message is not included] >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun May 2 22:48:46 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 19:48:46 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> For a number of years now, work has has been proceeding in order to bring prefection to the crudely conceived idea of a machine that would work to not only supply inverse reactive current, for use in unilateral phase detectors, but would also be capable of automatically synchronising cardinal grammeters. Such a machine is the 'Turboencabulator'. Basically, the only new principle involved is that instead of the power being generated by the relaxive motion of conductors and fluxes, it is produced by the modial interactions of magneto-reluctance and capacitive directance. The original machine had a base-plate of prefabulated amulite, surrounded by a malleable logarithmic casing in such a way that the two spurving bearings were in direct line with the pentametric fan, the latter consisted simply of six hydrocoptic marzelvanes, so fitted to the ambifacient lunar vaneshaft that side fumbling was effectively prevented. The main winding was of the normal lotus-o-delta type placed in panendermic semiboloid solts in the stator, every seventh conductor being connected by a non-reversible termic pipe to the differential girdlespring on the 'up' end of the grammeter. Forty-one manestically placed grouting brushes were arrranged to feed into the rotor slip stream a mixture of high S-value phenyhydrobenzamine and 5 percent reminative tetraiodohexamine. Both these liquids have specific pericosities given by p=2.4 Cn where n is the diathecial evolute of retrograde temperature phase disposition and C is the Chomondeley's annual grillage coefficient. Initially, n was measured with the aid of a metapolar pilfrometer, but up to the present date nothing has been found to equal the transcetental hopper dadoscope. Electrical engineers will appreciate the difficulty of nubbing together a regurgitative purwell and a superaminative wennel-sprocket. Indeed, this proved to be a stumbling block to further development until, in 1943, it was found that the use of anhydrous nagling pins enabled a kyptonastic boiling shim to be tankered. The early attempts to construct a sufficiently robust spiral decommutator failed largely because of lack of appreciation of the large quasi-pietic stresses in the gremlin studs; the latter were specially designed to hold the roffit bars to the spamshaft. When, however, it was discovered that wending could be prevented by the simple addition of teeth to socket, almost perfect running was secured. The operating point is maintained as near as possible to the HF rem peak by constantly fromaging the bituminous spandrels. This is a distinct advance on the standard nivelsheave in that no drammock oil is required after the phase detractors have remissed. Undoubtedly, the turboencabulator has now reached a very high level of technical development. It has been successfully used for operating nofer trunnions. In addition, whenever a barescent skor motion is required, it may be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocating dingle arm to reduce sinusoidal depleneration. - From The Institute of Electrical Engineers, Students Quarterly Journal 25 From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun May 2 22:51:05 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 12:51:05 +1000 Subject: How do I put an image in memory into an image object? In-Reply-To: References: <77B962B4-9C77-43EA-9631-8B52065D555A@mac.com> Message-ID: Here is a handler I use for scaling images: command scaleImage pImgName, pMaxW, pMaxH, pMinW, pMinH, pExpand put the formattedWidth of pImgName into tFormW put the formattedHeight of pImgName into tFormH put 1 into tScale if pExpand = true then -- expand to fill max limits, maintaining aspect ratio put tFormW / tFormH into tAspectRatio if pMaxW > tFormW then put pMaxW into tFormW put pMaxW div tAspectRatio into tFormH else if pMaxH > tFormH then put pMaxH into tFormH put round(pMaxH * tAspectRatio) into tFormW end if end if if tFormW > pMaxW then put pMaxW / tFormW into tScale put round(tFormW * tScale) into tFormW put round(tFormH * tScale) into tFormH end if if tFormH > pMaxH then put pMaxH / tFormH into tScale put round(tFormH * tScale) into tFormH put round(tFormW * tScale) into tFormW end if if tScale = 1 then -- only expand if the image has not already been shrunk to fit if tFormW < pMinW then put pMinW / tFormW into tScale put round(tFormW * tScale) into tFormW put round(tFormH * tScale) into tFormH end if if tFormH < pMinH then put pMinH / tFormH into tScale put round(tFormH * tScale) into tFormH put round(tFormW * tScale) into tFormW end if end if put the loc of pImgName into tLoc set the width of pImgName to tFormW set the height of pImgName to tFormH set the loc of pImgName to tLoc end scaleImage Use it like this: scaleImage the long name of img "Pic", 400,400,64,64 or scaleImage the long name of img "Pic", 400,400,64,64,true The first one will make the image sized somewhere between 400 and 64 in both dimensions, but maintaining the aspect ratio, The second one enlarge the image if necessary to make it as big as possible within the set limits. HTH, Sarah On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > Sarah, > > Bingo. That does it. > > I can lock the image size but the image doesn't scale evenly. How can I get it to scale evenly within the image boundary? > > Bill Vlahos > _________________ > InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. > > On May 2, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > >> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote: >>> I have an image on disk that is encrypted. I can decrypt the image in memory but how do I put that image variable into an image object? I would also like to automatically fit the image into the predefined object. >>> >>> I can set the fileName but that means the file exists on disk not encrypted. >> >> >> What about: >> ? put tUnencryptedData into image "Picture" >> >> Cheers, >> Sarah From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Sun May 2 21:57:35 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (tsj) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 11:57:35 +1000 Subject: How do I put an image in memory into an image object? In-Reply-To: <0CE19E9D-418A-4158-9053-ED64CDAEF47C@mac.com> Message-ID: If the variable contains data from an image file (i.e. In JPEG, PNG or similar format) then just use... put into image Terry... On 3/05/10 11:52 AM, "Bill Vlahos" wrote: > Nope. That doesn't work either. > > Bill Vlahos > _________________ > InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life > information with you, accessible, and secure. > > On May 2, 2010, at 4:44 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > >> try 'set the *text* of image "iPicture" to vPicture instead... >> >> I know it sounds stupid but... >> >> On 2 May 2010 16:42, Bill Vlahos wrote: >> >>> That doesn't work. The command I'm using is >>> >>> set the imageData of image "iPicture" to vPicture >>> >>> Where iPicture is an image object and vPicture is the image in a variable. >>> >>> Bill Vlahos >>> _________________ >>> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important >>> life information with you, accessible, and secure. >>> >>> On May 2, 2010, at 2:59 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: >>> >>>> 2010/5/2 Bill Vlahos : >>>>> I have an image on disk that is encrypted. I can decrypt the image in >>> memory but how do I put that image variable into an image object? I would >>> also like to automatically fit the image into the predefined object. >>>>> >>>>> I can set the fileName but that means the file exists on disk not >>> encrypted. >>>>> >>>>> Bill Vlahos >>>> >>>> Hi Bill, >>>> >>>> Have you tried to set the imageData property of your image object? >>>> >>>> set the imageData of image to binaryData >>>> >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> -- >>>> -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) >>>> http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------- >> Stephen Barncard >> Back home in SF >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 2 23:27:38 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 23:27:38 -0400 Subject: [OT, way way OT] Barney, HC, and the glory days In-Reply-To: <4BDE31D5.6080300@hyperactivesw.com> References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDDD70D.8070009@gmail.com> <4BDE31D5.6080300@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On May 2, 2010, at 10:15 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > I was confused by one thing. I expected a long animation to play right away, and that the text at the bottom was a link to a short version of the animation. Eventually I gave up waiting, and went to see the short version. I think you could make the delay less than it is. Only on a Mac Plus would it be as slow as you have it. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sun May 2 23:47:00 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> Actually, Randall answer to Ian Wood makes perfect sense. I would like to see this message written in billboards in every road of USA: "Should we just keep dancing on titanic's deck? Is stupidity the new brilliant?" If computers ever adquire the kind of intelligence that Randall would like them to have, they would start plotting against us real soon... ;-) Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2123477.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 2 23:52:47 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 23:52:47 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On May 2, 2010, at 11:47 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > "Should we just keep dancing on titanic's deck? > Is stupidity the new brilliant?" Aha! Hence the new Apple slogan: Sink Different. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun May 2 23:59:42 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 20:59:42 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <4BDE4A2E.6070301@fourthworld.com> Alejandro Tejada wrote: > If computers ever adquire the kind of intelligence > that Randall would like them to have, they would > start plotting against us real soon... ;-) Why the future doesn't need us. Our most powerful 21st-century technologies - robotics, genetic engineering, and nanotech - are threatening to make humans an endangered species. By Bill Joy http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy_pr.html -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon May 3 00:02:39 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 21:02:39 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> Colin- Sunday, May 2, 2010, 8:52:47 PM, you wrote: > On May 2, 2010, at 11:47 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: >> "Should we just keep dancing on titanic's deck? >> Is stupidity the new brilliant?" > Aha! Hence the new Apple slogan: Sink Different. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jerry.daniels at me.com Mon May 3 00:07:28 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 23:07:28 -0500 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13AA7967-BC4B-45C0-BA04-6E48C4E8FE58@me.com> The best way to invent the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote: > >> Peter Alcibiades: >> >> >> Too bad we don't have a "crystal ball" we could use to predict the future. >> >> > > How about a magic 8-ball? ;-) > > Jeff M. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jerry.daniels at me.com Mon May 3 00:11:01 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 23:11:01 -0500 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <13AA7967-BC4B-45C0-BA04-6E48C4E8FE58@me.com> References: <13AA7967-BC4B-45C0-BA04-6E48C4E8FE58@me.com> Message-ID: <69B16B2A-DCB5-497C-9C1D-294AFA505944@me.com> Oops. Getting late. Meant to say: The best way to PREDICT the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 2, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > The best way to invent the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: > http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch > > On May 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > >> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote: >> >>> Peter Alcibiades: >>> >>> >>> Too bad we don't have a "crystal ball" we could use to predict the future. >>> >>> >> >> How about a magic 8-ball? ;-) >> >> Jeff M. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon May 3 00:12:35 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 21:12:35 -0700 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <69B16B2A-DCB5-497C-9C1D-294AFA505944@me.com> References: <13AA7967-BC4B-45C0-BA04-6E48C4E8FE58@me.com> <69B16B2A-DCB5-497C-9C1D-294AFA505944@me.com> Message-ID: <311619584921.20100502211235@ahsoftware.net> Jerry- Sunday, May 2, 2010, 9:11:01 PM, you wrote: > Oops. Getting late. Meant to say: > The best way to PREDICT the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay No problem. I think Arthur C. Clarke invented the future by predicting it... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon May 3 00:14:31 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 21:14:31 -0700 Subject: [OT, way way OT] Barney, HC, and the glory days In-Reply-To: References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDDD70D.8070009@gmail.com> <4BDE31D5.6080300@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <71619701625.20100502211431@ahsoftware.net> Colin- Sunday, May 2, 2010, 8:27:38 PM, you wrote: > I was confused by one thing. I expected a long animation to play > right away, and that the text at the bottom was a link to a short > version of the animation. Eventually I gave up waiting, and went to > see the short version. I think you could make the delay less than it > is. Only on a Mac Plus would it be as slow as you have it. Yeah - even after reading this it wasn't clear to me that you need to click on the text. I sat there for a while before it dawned on me. And it's been a while since I've seen a *real* HC stack in action - it's mindboggling that people still compare rev with this... er... dinosaur... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Mon May 3 00:27:55 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 05:27:55 +0100 Subject: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition (was: Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: <29E5E6FF-319E-4145-83E8-18AFEB816CF1@randallreetz.com> References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <29E5E6FF-319E-4145-83E8-18AFEB816CF1@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: Now we're getting somewhere that actually has some vague relevance to the list. On 2 May 2010, at 22:39, Randall Reetz wrote: > I had assumed your questions were rhetorical. If I ask the same questions multiple times you can be sure that they're not rhetorical. > When I say that software hasn't changed I mean to say that it hasn't > jumped qualitative categories. We are still living in a world where > computing exists as pre-written and compiled software that is > blindly executed by machines and stacked foundational code that has > no idea what it is processing, can only process linearly, all > semantics have been stripped, it doesn't learn from experience or > react to context unless this too has been pre-codified and frozen in > binary or byte code, etc. etc etc. Hardware has been souped up. So > our little wrote tricks can be made more elaborate within the > substantial confines mentioned. These same in-paradigm restrictions > apply to both the software users slog through and the software we > use to write software. > > As a result, these very plastic machines with mercurial potential > are reduced to simple players that react to user interrupts. They > are sequencing systems, not unlike the lead type setting racks of > Guttenburg-era printing presses. Sure we have taught them some > interesting seeming tricks ? if you can represent something as > digital media, be it sound, video, multi-dimentional graph space, > markup ? our sequencer doesn't know enough to care. So for you, for something to be 'revolutionary' it has to involve a full paradigm shift? That's a more extreme definition than most people use. > Current processors are capable of 6.5 million instructions per > second but are used less than a billionth of available cycles by the > standard users running standard software. From a pedantic, technical point of view, these days if the processor is being used that little then it will ramp down the clock speed, which has some environmental and practical benefits in itself. ;-) > As regards photo editing software, anyone aware of the history of > image processing will recognize that most of the stuff seen in > photoshop and other programs was proposed and executed on systems > long before some guys in france democratized these algorithms for > consumer use and had their code acquired by adobe. It used to be > called array arithmetic and applied smoothly to images divided up > into a grid of pixels. None of these systems "see" an image for its > content except as an array of numbers that can be crunched > sequentially like a spread sheet. > > It was only when object recognition concepts were applied to photos > that any kind of compositional grammar could be extracted from an > image and compared as parts to other images similarly decomposed. > This is a form of semantic processing and has its parallels in other > media like text parsers and sound analysis software. You haven't looked up what content-aware fill *is*, have you? It's based on the same basic concepts of pattern-matching/feature detection that facial recognition software is based on but with a different emphasis. To paraphrase, it's not facial recognition that you think is the only revolutionary feature in photography in twenty years, it's pattern- matching/detection/eigenvectors. A lot of time and frustration would have been saved if you'd said that in the first place. > Semantics opens the door to the building of systems that > "understand" the content they process. That is the promised second > revolution in computation that really hasn't seen any practical > light of day as of yet. You're jumping too many steps here - object recognition concepts are in *widespread* use in consumer software and devices, whether it's the aforementioned 'focus-on-a-face' digital cameras, healing brushes in many different pieces of software, feature recognition in panoramic stitching software or even live stitching in some of the new Sony cameras. Semantic processing of content doesn't magically enable a computer to initiate action. > Data mining really isn't semantically mindful, simply uses > statistical reduction mechanisms to guess at the existence of the > location of pattern ( a good first step but missing the grammatical > hierarchy necessary to work towards a self optimized and domain > independent ability to detect and represent salience in the stacked > grammar that makes up any complex system. Combining pattern-matching with adaptive systems, whether they be neural networks or something else is another matter - but it's been a long hard slog to find out that this is what you're talking about. Adaptive systems themselves are also quite widespread by now, from Tivos learning what programmes you watch to predictive text on an iPhone, from iTunes 'Genius' playlists & recommendations through to Siri (just bought up by Apple, as it happens). > Such systems will need to work all of the time. ALL OF THE TIME! > Only pausing momentarily to pay attention to our interactions as > needed. Once they are running, these systems will subsume all of > the manual activity we have been made to perform to this day. Think > "fly by wire" for processing. That's a really REALLY bad analogy. FBW is a pilot-initiated control system. It's smaller/lighter (the initial reason for it's use) and it reacts to changes faster than the pilot can to stop stalls etc, in a similar way to ABS systems in a car reducing the chances of a skid. It doesn't *initiate* anything in itself, it's 'just' a moderated control/ feedback system. > Gone is the need to discreetly encode every single bit in exactly > the only possible sequence. This sentence makes no sense. Did you mean 'process' rather than 'encode'? > What it means is the difference between writing a letter and our > computer interceding by understanding the meta-intent of the wrote > and inefficient processes we engage in today ? what are letters > for? What resources is this user or entity after and why? Who has > those resources? Whom of those who have the desired resources need > something that we might have in exchange? How are the vectors of > intent among all entities entangled and grouped and how can our > systems work towards the optimization of this global intent matrix? I like William Gibson or Stuart & Cohen as much as the next SF fan, but again you're taking too many steps at once. Emergent behaviour from a complex system (such as bypassing letter writing by finding another way of communicating or reason for doing things) is *emergent behaviour* - by definition you can't predict what form it will take and you can't *plan* for it. You can't even plan that it will *happen*. In the same way, setting up a protocol for a network doesn't let you predict that most internet traffic some years later will be via Facebook or MMORPGs. > So, when I use the word "revisionist" I am calling attention to the > old sheep dressed up in new clothing but still being sheep. Having now looked in a number of dictionaries on and offline, I stand with Richmond's response. In common usage it's a word with very specific connotations and they aren't ones that people associate with software. With Steve Jobs, perhaps, but not with software. ;-) > Software feature creep is not really evolving software. That's a matter of definition. Within the photography field, apps like Aperture and LightRoom have had huge impacts on people's ways of working (often making whole suites of other apps redundant in one go), looking at a wider field the explosion of geolocation features and services has revolutionised mobile devices and our interactions with them, multi-touch devices are giving us new ways to physically interact with computing systems. > That the jump is so long in coming is understandable. It is easy to > send a punch card through a machine and have it react accordingly > every time. The jump from wrote execution of static code to self > aware semantically self optimized pattern engines is a big big big > jump. But it isn't as big as it might at first seem. It is > happening. It will happen. And computing will finally result in > the kind of substantial increase in productivity that its expense > requires. 1. Much of what you're talking about as a final aim is emergent behaviour - you *can't* predict what will or won't happen, or when. 2. We've already been through the substantial increases in productivity that the expense of computing requires. Increased productivity isn't the problem - *expected* productivity is the problem because it automatically increases as productivity increases. 3. Adaptive systems don't just happen. They need to be trained, and for the level of abstraction you're talking about they have to be trained *a lot*. From a pragmatic point of view, much of that increased productivity will be swallowed up by learning to be a good system trainer, in the same way that certain types of information research have been vastly increased via the net, only to be swallowed up in learning to use search engines efficiently and learning how to winnow out all the chaff. 4. The level of independent action you appear to be happy with in a computer gives most people the screaming heebie-jeebies and flashbacks to "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that". 5. Most importantly, your entire body of communications on the list appears to miss out a vital step - how do adaptive systems magically morph into systems capable of initiating actions without user or programmer input? I'm uncomfortably reminded of S. Harris's 'then a miracle occurs' cartoon. :-( http://www.sciencecartoonsplus.com/pages/gallery.php 6. On a slightly more tongue-in-cheek note, enjoy the minutes between the first ubiquitous 'self aware semantically self optimized pattern engine' and dying/transcending/experiencing "It's life Jim, but not as we know it" in the ensuing technological singularity. ;-) Ian P.S. It's 'rote', not 'wrote'. I know it's just a typo, but it's one that drastically alters some of your sentences. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 00:41:24 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 23:41:24 -0500 Subject: [OT, way way OT] Barney, HC, and the glory days In-Reply-To: References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDDD70D.8070009@gmail.com> <4BDE31D5.6080300@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BDE53F4.7070607@hyperactivesw.com> Colin Holgate wrote: > On May 2, 2010, at 10:15 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> > > I was confused by one thing. I expected a long animation to play > right away, and that the text at the bottom was a link to a short > version of the animation. Eventually I gave up waiting, and went to > see the short version. I think you could make the delay less than it > is. Only on a Mac Plus would it be as slow as you have it. I think 15 years ago some of us *were* still running a Plus. But I suppose I could shave a couple of ticks off my delay. As far as the confusion goes, blame the author. That's how he wrote it. Perhaps he meant to make a longer version some day. There are no other buttons or instructions on the stack, what you see is what he uploaded. If you look closer, you'll notice there are no spaces in the text either: "See TheShortMovie". I did warn you most of the uploads wouldn't pass muster. :) We loved those kids. Mostly. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From randall at randallreetz.com Mon May 3 01:23:59 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 22:23:59 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100503052401.CVPS23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Are you closer to understanding entropy and the evolution of complexity now? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Swindell Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:17 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Randall, Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. Mark On May 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and purposeful deceit. History will judge. Are you galileo or the church? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Swindell > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:45 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > [The entire original message is not included] From randall at randallreetz.com Mon May 3 01:37:32 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 22:37:32 -0700 Subject: Rev and the iPad Message-ID: <20100503053734.CYQH23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Kay, another true computer scientist. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Daniels Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:11 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Rev and the iPad Oops. Getting late. Meant to say: The best way to PREDICT the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 2, 2010, at 11:07 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > The best way to invent the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: > http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch > > On May 2, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > >> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote: >> [The entire original message is not included] From randall at randallreetz.com Mon May 3 01:38:50 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 22:38:50 -0700 Subject: Rev and the iPad Message-ID: <20100503053851.MOTT18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> I hope you are kidding. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wieder Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:12 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Rev and the iPad Jerry- Sunday, May 2, 2010, 9:11:01 PM, you wrote: > Oops. Getting late. Meant to say: > The best way to PREDICT the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay No problem. I think Arthur C. Clarke invented the future by predicting it... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 3 01:45:33 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 08:45:33 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100503005609.GULK29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4BDE62FD.4090305@gmail.com> On 03/05/2010 05:17, Mark Swindell wrote: > Randall, > > Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. > > Mark > Very well said. From randall at randallreetz.com Mon May 3 01:47:12 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 22:47:12 -0700 Subject: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition (was: Apples actual response to the Flash issue) Message-ID: <20100503054713.KWDQ29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Why don't you ask the guys at adobe if their content is really aware. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Wood Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:27 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition (was: Apples actual response to the Flash issue) Now we're getting somewhere that actually has some vague relevance to the list. On 2 May 2010, at 22:39, Randall Reetz wrote: > I had assumed your questions were rhetorical. If I ask the same questions multiple times you can be sure that they're not rhetorical. > When I say that software hasn't changed I mean to say that it hasn't > jumped qualitative categories. We are still living in a world where > computing exists as pre-written and compiled software that is > blindly executed by machines and stacked foundational code that has > no idea what it is processing, can only process linearly, all > semantics have been stripped, it doesn't learn from experience or > react to context unless this too has been pre-codified and frozen in > binary or byte code, etc. etc etc. Hardware has been souped up. So > our little wrote tricks can be made more elaborate within the > substantial confines mentioned. These same in-paradigm restrictions > apply to both the software users slog through and the software we > use to write software. > > As a result, these very plastic machines with mercurial potential > are reduced to simple players that react to user interrupts. They > are sequencing systems, not unlike the lead type setting racks of > Guttenburg-era printing presses. Sure we have taught them some > interesting seeming tricks ? if you can represent something as > digital media, be it sound, video, multi-dimentional graph space, > markup ? our sequencer doesn't know enough to care. So for you, for something to be 'revolutionary' it has to involve a full paradigm shift? That's a more extreme definition than most people use. > Current processors are capable of 6.5 million instructions per > second but are used less than a billionth of available cycles by the > standard users running standard software. From a pedantic, technical point of view, these days if the processor is being used that little then it will ramp down the clock speed, which has some environmental and practical benefits in itself. ;-) > As regards photo editing software, anyone aware of the history of > image processing will recognize that most of the stuff seen in > photoshop and other programs was proposed and executed on systems > long before some guys in france democratized these algorithms for > consumer use and had their code acquired by adobe. It used to be > called array arithmetic and applied smoothly to images divided up > into a grid of pixels. None of these systems "see" an image for its > content except as an array of numbers that can be crunched > sequentially like a spread sheet. > > It was only when object recognition concepts were applied to photos > that any kind of compositional grammar could be extracted from an > image and compared as parts to other images similarly decomposed. > This is a form of semantic processing and has its parallels in other > media like text parsers and sound analysis software. You haven't looked up what content-aware fill *is*, have you? It's based on the same basic concepts of pattern-matching/feature detection that facial recognition software is based on but with a different emphasis. To paraphrase, it's not facial recognition that you think is the only revolutionary feature in photography in twenty years, it's pattern- matching/detection/eigenvectors. A lot of time and frustration would have been saved if you'd said that in the first place. > Semantics opens the door to the building of systems that > "understand" the content they process. That is the promised second > revolution in computation that really hasn't seen any practical > light of day as of yet. You're jumping too many steps here - object recognition concepts are in *widespread* use in consumer software and devices, whether it's the aforementioned 'focus-on-a-face' digital cameras, healing brushes in many different pieces of software, feature recognition in panoramic stitching software or even live stitching in some of the new Sony cameras. Semantic processing of content doesn't magically enable a computer to initiate action. > Data mining really isn't semantically mindful, simply uses > statistical reduction mechanisms to guess at the existence of the > location of pattern ( a good first step but missing the grammatical > hierarchy necessary to work towards a self optimized and domain > independent ability to detect and represent salience in the stacked > grammar that makes up any complex system. Combining pattern-matching with adaptive systems, whether they be neural networks or something else is another matter - but it's been a long hard slog to find out that this is what you're talking about. Adaptive systems themselves are also quite widespread by now, from Tivos learning what programmes you watch to predictive text on an iPhone, from iTunes 'Genius' playlists & recommendations through to Siri (just bought up by Apple, as it happens). > Such systems will need to work all of the time. ALL OF THE TIME! > Only pausing momentarily to pay attention to our interactions as > needed. Once they are running, these systems will subsume all of > the manual activity we have been made to perform to this day. Think > "fly by wire" for processing. That's a really REALLY bad analogy. FBW is a pilot-initiated control system. It's smaller/lighter (the initial reason for it's use) and it reacts to changes faster than the pilot can to stop stalls etc, in a similar way to ABS systems in a car reducing the chances of a skid. It doesn't *initiate* anything in itself, it's 'just' a moderated control/ feedback system. > Gone is the need to discreetly encode every single bit in exactly > the only possible sequence. This sentence makes no sense. Did you mean 'process' rather than 'encode'? > What it means is the difference between writing a letter and our > computer interceding by understanding the meta-intent of the wrote > and inefficient processes we engage in today ? what are letters > for? What resources is this user or entity after and why? Who has > those resources? Whom of those who have the desired resources need > something that we might have in exchange? How are the vectors of > intent among all entities entangled and grouped and how can our > systems work towards the optimization of this global intent matrix? I like William Gibson or Stuart & Cohen as much as the next SF fan, but again you're taking too many steps at once. Emergent behaviour from a complex system (such as bypassing letter writing by finding another way of communicating or reason for doing things) is *emergent behaviour* - by definition you can't predict what form it will take and you can't *plan* for it. You can't even plan that it will *happen*. In the same way, setting up a protocol for a network doesn't let you predict that most internet traffic some years later will be via Facebook or MMORPGs. > So, when I use the word "revisionist" I am calling attention to the > old sheep dressed up in new clothing but still being sheep. Having now looked in a number of dictionaries on and offline, I stand with Richmond's response. In common usage it's a word with very specific connotations and they aren't ones that people associate with software. With Steve Jobs, perhaps, but not with software. ;-) > Software feature creep is not really evolving software. That's a matter of definition. Within the photography field, apps like Aperture and LightRoom have had huge impacts on people's ways of working (often making whole suites of other apps redundant in one go), looking at a wider field the explosion of geolocation features and services has revolutionised mobile devices and our interactions with them, multi-touch devices are giving us new ways to physically interact with computing systems. > That the jump is so long in coming is understandable. It is easy to > send a punch card through a machine and have it react accordingly > every time. The jump from wrote execution of static code to self > aware semantically self optimized pattern engines is a big big big > jump. But it isn't as big as it might at first seem. It is > happening. It will happen. And computing will finally result in > the kind of substantial increase in productivity that its expense > requires. 1. Much of what you're talking about as a final aim is emergent behaviour - you *can't* predict what will or won't happen, or when. 2. We've already been through the substantial increases in productivity that the expense of computing requires. Increased productivity isn't the problem - *expected* productivity is the problem because it automatically increases as productivity increases. 3. Adaptive systems don't just happen. They need to be trained, and for the level of abstraction you're talking about they have to be trained *a lot*. From a pragmatic point of view, much of that increased productivity will be swallowed up by learning to be a good system trainer, in the same way that certain types of information research have been vastly increased via the net, only to be swallowed up in learning to use search engines efficiently and learning how to winnow out all the chaff. 4. The level of independent action you appear to be happy with in a computer gives most people the screaming heebie-jeebies and flashbacks to "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that". 5. Most importantly, your entire body of communications on the list appears to miss out a vital step - how do adaptive systems magically morph into systems capable of initiating actions without user or programmer input? I'm uncomfortably reminded of S. Harris's 'then a miracle occurs' cartoon. :-( http://www.sciencecartoonsplus.com/pages/gallery.php 6. On a slightly more tongue-in-cheek note, enjoy the minutes between the first ubiquitous 'self aware semantically self optimized pattern engine' and dying/transcending/experiencing "It's life Jim, but not as we know it" in the ensuing technological singularity. ;-) Ian P.S. It's 'rote', not 'wrote'. I know it's just a typo, but it's one that drastically alters some of your sentences._______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Mon May 3 02:07:42 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:07:42 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100503052401.CVPS23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100503052401.CVPS23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: Dear all, i think it is all said. Please stop this annoying discussion. This list is called "use-revolution", so maybe we can come back to this again. Thank you! Matthias Am 03.05.2010 um 07:23 schrieb Randall Lee Reetz: > Are you closer to understanding entropy and the evolution of complexity now? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Swindell > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:17 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue > > Randall, > > Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. > > Mark > > On May 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > >> Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and purposeful deceit. History will judge. Are you galileo or the church? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Swindell >> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:45 PM >> To: How to use Revolution >> Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue >> > > > > [The entire original message is not included] > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Mon May 3 02:08:19 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:08:19 +0200 Subject: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition (was: Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: <20100503054713.KWDQ29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100503054713.KWDQ29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: Dear all, i think it is all said. Please stop this annoying discussion. This list is called "use-revolution", so maybe we can come back to this again. Thank you! Matthias Am 03.05.2010 um 07:47 schrieb Randall Lee Reetz: > Why don't you ask the guys at adobe if their content is really aware. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Wood > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:27 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition (was: Apples actual response to the Flash issue) > > Now we're getting somewhere that actually has some vague relevance to > the list. > > > On 2 May 2010, at 22:39, Randall Reetz wrote: > >> I had assumed your questions were rhetorical. > > If I ask the same questions multiple times you can be sure that > they're not rhetorical. > >> When I say that software hasn't changed I mean to say that it hasn't >> jumped qualitative categories. We are still living in a world where >> computing exists as pre-written and compiled software that is >> blindly executed by machines and stacked foundational code that has >> no idea what it is processing, can only process linearly, all >> semantics have been stripped, it doesn't learn from experience or >> react to context unless this too has been pre-codified and frozen in >> binary or byte code, etc. etc etc. Hardware has been souped up. So >> our little wrote tricks can be made more elaborate within the >> substantial confines mentioned. These same in-paradigm restrictions >> apply to both the software users slog through and the software we >> use to write software. >> >> As a result, these very plastic machines with mercurial potential >> are reduced to simple players that react to user interrupts. They >> are sequencing systems, not unlike the lead type setting racks of >> Guttenburg-era printing presses. Sure we have taught them some >> interesting seeming tricks ? if you can represent something as >> digital media, be it sound, video, multi-dimentional graph space, >> markup ? our sequencer doesn't know enough to care. > > So for you, for something to be 'revolutionary' it has to involve a > full paradigm shift? That's a more extreme definition than most people > use. > >> Current processors are capable of 6.5 million instructions per >> second but are used less than a billionth of available cycles by the >> standard users running standard software. > > From a pedantic, technical point of view, these days if the processor > is being used that little then it will ramp down the clock speed, > which has some environmental and practical benefits in itself. ;-) > >> As regards photo editing software, anyone aware of the history of >> image processing will recognize that most of the stuff seen in >> photoshop and other programs was proposed and executed on systems >> long before some guys in france democratized these algorithms for >> consumer use and had their code acquired by adobe. It used to be >> called array arithmetic and applied smoothly to images divided up >> into a grid of pixels. None of these systems "see" an image for its >> content except as an array of numbers that can be crunched >> sequentially like a spread sheet. >> >> It was only when object recognition concepts were applied to photos >> that any kind of compositional grammar could be extracted from an >> image and compared as parts to other images similarly decomposed. >> This is a form of semantic processing and has its parallels in other >> media like text parsers and sound analysis software. > > You haven't looked up what content-aware fill *is*, have you? It's > based on the same basic concepts of pattern-matching/feature detection > that facial recognition software is based on but with a different > emphasis. > > To paraphrase, it's not facial recognition that you think is the only > revolutionary feature in photography in twenty years, it's pattern- > matching/detection/eigenvectors. A lot of time and frustration would > have been saved if you'd said that in the first place. > >> Semantics opens the door to the building of systems that >> "understand" the content they process. That is the promised second >> revolution in computation that really hasn't seen any practical >> light of day as of yet. > > You're jumping too many steps here - object recognition concepts are > in *widespread* use in consumer software and devices, whether it's the > aforementioned 'focus-on-a-face' digital cameras, healing brushes in > many different pieces of software, feature recognition in panoramic > stitching software or even live stitching in some of the new Sony > cameras. > > Semantic processing of content doesn't magically enable a computer to > initiate action. > >> Data mining really isn't semantically mindful, simply uses >> statistical reduction mechanisms to guess at the existence of the >> location of pattern ( a good first step but missing the grammatical >> hierarchy necessary to work towards a self optimized and domain >> independent ability to detect and represent salience in the stacked >> grammar that makes up any complex system. > > Combining pattern-matching with adaptive systems, whether they be > neural networks or something else is another matter - but it's been a > long hard slog to find out that this is what you're talking about. > > Adaptive systems themselves are also quite widespread by now, from > Tivos learning what programmes you watch to predictive text on an > iPhone, from iTunes 'Genius' playlists & recommendations through to > Siri (just bought up by Apple, as it happens). > >> Such systems will need to work all of the time. ALL OF THE TIME! >> Only pausing momentarily to pay attention to our interactions as >> needed. Once they are running, these systems will subsume all of >> the manual activity we have been made to perform to this day. Think >> "fly by wire" for processing. > > That's a really REALLY bad analogy. FBW is a pilot-initiated control > system. It's smaller/lighter (the initial reason for it's use) and it > reacts to changes faster than the pilot can to stop stalls etc, in a > similar way to ABS systems in a car reducing the chances of a skid. It > doesn't *initiate* anything in itself, it's 'just' a moderated control/ > feedback system. > >> Gone is the need to discreetly encode every single bit in exactly >> the only possible sequence. > > This sentence makes no sense. Did you mean 'process' rather than > 'encode'? > >> What it means is the difference between writing a letter and our >> computer interceding by understanding the meta-intent of the wrote >> and inefficient processes we engage in today ? what are letters >> for? What resources is this user or entity after and why? Who has >> those resources? Whom of those who have the desired resources need >> something that we might have in exchange? How are the vectors of >> intent among all entities entangled and grouped and how can our >> systems work towards the optimization of this global intent matrix? > > I like William Gibson or Stuart & Cohen as much as the next SF fan, > but again you're taking too many steps at once. > > Emergent behaviour from a complex system (such as bypassing letter > writing by finding another way of communicating or reason for doing > things) is *emergent behaviour* - by definition you can't predict what > form it will take and you can't *plan* for it. You can't even plan > that it will *happen*. > > In the same way, setting up a protocol for a network doesn't let you > predict that most internet traffic some years later will be via > Facebook or MMORPGs. > >> So, when I use the word "revisionist" I am calling attention to the >> old sheep dressed up in new clothing but still being sheep. > > Having now looked in a number of dictionaries on and offline, I stand > with Richmond's response. In common usage it's a word with very > specific connotations and they aren't ones that people associate with > software. With Steve Jobs, perhaps, but not with software. ;-) > >> Software feature creep is not really evolving software. > > That's a matter of definition. Within the photography field, apps like > Aperture and LightRoom have had huge impacts on people's ways of > working (often making whole suites of other apps redundant in one go), > looking at a wider field the explosion of geolocation features and > services has revolutionised mobile devices and our interactions with > them, multi-touch devices are giving us new ways to physically > interact with computing systems. > >> That the jump is so long in coming is understandable. It is easy to >> send a punch card through a machine and have it react accordingly >> every time. The jump from wrote execution of static code to self >> aware semantically self optimized pattern engines is a big big big >> jump. But it isn't as big as it might at first seem. It is >> happening. It will happen. And computing will finally result in >> the kind of substantial increase in productivity that its expense >> requires. > > 1. Much of what you're talking about as a final aim is emergent > behaviour - you *can't* predict what will or won't happen, or when. > > 2. We've already been through the substantial increases in > productivity that the expense of computing requires. Increased > productivity isn't the problem - *expected* productivity is the > problem because it automatically increases as productivity increases. > > 3. Adaptive systems don't just happen. They need to be trained, and > for the level of abstraction you're talking about they have to be > trained *a lot*. From a pragmatic point of view, much of that > increased productivity will be swallowed up by learning to be a good > system trainer, in the same way that certain types of information > research have been vastly increased via the net, only to be swallowed > up in learning to use search engines efficiently and learning how to > winnow out all the chaff. > > 4. The level of independent action you appear to be happy with in a > computer gives most people the screaming heebie-jeebies and flashbacks > to "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that". > > 5. Most importantly, your entire body of communications on the list > appears to miss out a vital step - how do adaptive systems magically > morph into systems capable of initiating actions without user or > programmer input? I'm uncomfortably reminded of S. Harris's 'then a > miracle occurs' cartoon. :-( > http://www.sciencecartoonsplus.com/pages/gallery.php > > 6. On a slightly more tongue-in-cheek note, enjoy the minutes between > the first ubiquitous 'self aware semantically self optimized pattern > engine' and dying/transcending/experiencing "It's life Jim, but not as > we know it" in the ensuing technological singularity. ;-) > > > Ian > > > P.S. It's 'rote', not 'wrote'. I know it's just a typo, but it's one > that drastically alters some of your sentences._______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Mon May 3 02:16:24 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 23:16:24 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100503061625.LDNX29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> I guess if a person is sufficiently ignorant or has their fingers in their ears and screams, any honest answer will slip by un recognized. Would you like it better if I said the future of computing is better touch up tools in photo editors? In the nixon administration your rhetorical technique was called "rat f___ing" and was used as you are to thwart opponents who would win legitimate and fair debates or elections. Tell me your great vision of computation or at the very least why you are so threatened by me. -----Original Message----- From: Randall Lee Reetz Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:23 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Are you closer to understanding entropy and the evolution of complexity now? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Swindell Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:17 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Randall, Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. Mark On May 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and [The entire original message is not included] From randall at randallreetz.com Mon May 3 02:22:17 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 23:22:17 -0700 Subject: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition (was: Apples actual response to the Flash issue) Message-ID: <20100503062218.NADH18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> I can see how the word "revolution" in the context of this list has acquired so anemic and castrated a meaning. I am sorry. Next time, I will use a word that means all the way around, or when a king is replaced by a democracy. time. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Wood Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:27 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition (was: Apples actual response to the Flash issue) Now we're getting somewhere that actually has some vague relevance to the list. On 2 May 2010, at 22:39, Randall Reetz wrote: > I had assumed your questions were rhetorical. If I ask the same questions multiple times you can be sure that they're not rhetorical. > When I say that software hasn't changed I mean to say that it hasn't > jumped qualitative categories. We are still living in a world where > computing exists as pre-written and compiled software that is > blindly executed by machines and stacked foundational code that has > no idea what it is processing, can only process linearly, all > semantics have been stripped, it doesn't learn from experience or > react to context unless this too has been pre-codified and frozen in > binary or byte code, etc. etc etc. Hardware has been souped up. So > our little wrote tricks can be made more elaborate within the > substantial confines mentioned. These same in-paradigm restrictions > apply to both the software users slog through and the software we > use to write software. > > As a result, these very plastic machines with mercurial potential > are reduced to simple players that react to user interrupts. They > are sequencing systems, not unlike the lead type setting racks of > Guttenburg-era printing presses. Sure we have taught them some > interesting seeming tricks ? if you can represent something as > digital media, be it sound, video, multi-dimentional graph space, > markup ? our sequencer doesn't know enough to care. So for you, for something to be 'revolutionary' it has to involve a full paradigm shift? That's a more extreme definition than most people use. > Current processors are capable of 6.5 million instructions per > second but are used less than a billionth of available cycles by the > standard users running standard software. From a pedantic, technical point of view, these days if the processor is being used that little then it will ramp down the clock speed, which has some environmental and practical benefits in itself. ;-) > As regards photo editing software, anyone aware of the history of > image processing will recognize that most of the stuff seen in > photoshop and other programs was proposed and executed on systems > long before some guys in france democratized these algorithms for > consumer use and had their code acquired by adobe. It used to be > called array arithmetic and applied smoothly to images divided up > into a grid of pixels. None of these systems "see" an image for its > content except as an array of numbers that can be crunched > sequentially like a spread sheet. > > It was only when object recognition concepts were applied to photos > that any kind of compositional grammar could be extracted from an > image and compared as parts to other images similarly decomposed. > This is a form of semantic processing and has its parallels in other > media like text parsers and sound analysis software. You haven't looked up what content-aware fill *is*, have you? It's based on the same basic concepts of pattern-matching/feature detection that facial recognition software is based on but with a different emphasis. To paraphrase, it's not facial recognition that you think is the only revolutionary feature in photography in twenty years, it's pattern- matching/detection/eigenvectors. A lot of time and frustration would have been saved if you'd said that in the first place. > Semantics opens the door to the building of systems that > "understand" the content they process. That is the promised second > revolution in computation that really hasn't seen any practical > light of day as of yet. You're jumping too many steps here - object recognition concepts are in *widespread* use in consumer software and devices, whether it's the aforementioned 'focus-on-a-face' digital cameras, healing brushes in many different pieces of software, feature recognition in panoramic stitching software or even live stitching in some of the new Sony cameras. Semantic processing of content doesn't magically enable a computer to initiate action. > Data mining really isn't semantically mindful, simply uses > statistical reduction mechanisms to guess at the existence of the > location of pattern ( a good first step but missing the grammatical > hierarchy necessary to work towards a self optimized and domain > independent ability to detect and represent salience in the stacked > grammar that makes up any complex system. Combining pattern-matching with adaptive systems, whether they be neural networks or something else is another matter - but it's been a long hard slog to find out that this is what you're talking about. Adaptive systems themselves are also quite widespread by now, from Tivos learning what programmes you watch to predictive text on an iPhone, from iTunes 'Genius' playlists & recommendations through to Siri (just bought up by Apple, as it happens). > Such systems will need to work all of the time. ALL OF THE TIME! > Only pausing momentarily to pay attention to our interactions as > needed. Once they are running, these systems will subsume all of > the manual activity we have been made to perform to this day. Think > "fly by wire" for processing. That's a really REALLY bad analogy. FBW is a pilot-initiated control system. It's smaller/lighter (the initial reason for it's use) and it reacts to changes faster than the pilot can to stop stalls etc, in a similar way to ABS systems in a car reducing the chances of a skid. It doesn't *initiate* anything in itself, it's 'just' a moderated control/ feedback system. > Gone is the need to discreetly encode every single bit in exactly > the only possible sequence. This sentence makes no sense. Did you mean 'process' rather than 'encode'? > What it means is the difference between writing a letter and our > computer interceding by understanding the meta-intent of the wrote > and inefficient processes we engage in today ? what are letters > for? What resources is this user or entity after and why? Who has > those resources? Whom of those who have the desired resources need > something that we might have in exchange? How are the vectors of > intent among all entities entangled and grouped and how can our > systems work towards the optimization of this global intent matrix? I like William Gibson or Stuart & Cohen as much as the next SF fan, but again you're taking too many steps at once. Emergent behaviour from a complex system (such as bypassing letter writing by finding another way of communicating or reason for doing things) is *emergent behaviour* - by definition you can't predict what form it will take and you can't *plan* for it. You can't even plan that it will *happen*. In the same way, setting up a protocol for a network doesn't let you predict that most internet traffic some years later will be via Facebook or MMORPGs. > So, when I use the word "revisionist" I am calling attention to the > old sheep dressed up in new clothing but still being sheep. Having now looked in a number of dictionaries on and offline, I stand with Richmond's response. In common usage it's a word with very specific connotations and they aren't ones that people associate with software. With Steve Jobs, perhaps, but not with software. ;-) > Software feature creep is not really evolving software. That's a matter of definition. Within the photography field, apps like Aperture and LightRoom have had huge impacts on people's ways of working (often making whole suites of other apps redundant in one go), looking at a wider field the explosion of geolocation features and services has revolutionised mobile devices and our interactions with them, multi-touch devices are giving us new ways to physically interact with computing systems. > That the jump is so long in coming is understandable. It is easy to > send a punch card through a machine and have it react accordingly > every time. The jump from wrote execution of static code to self > aware semantically self optimized pattern engines is a big big big > jump. But it isn't as big as it might at first seem. It is > happening. It will happen. And computing will finally result in > the kind of substantial increase in productivity that its expense > requires. 1. Much of what you're talking about as a final aim is emergent behaviour - you *can't* predict what will or won't happen, or when. 2. We've already been through the substantial increases in productivity that the expense of computing requires. Increased productivity isn't the problem - *expected* productivity is the problem because it automatically increases as productivity increases. 3. Adaptive systems don't just happen. They need to be trained, and for the level of abstraction you're talking about they have to be trained *a lot*. From a pragmatic point of view, much of that increased productivity will be swallowed up by learning to be a good system trainer, in the same way that certain types of information research have been vastly increased via the net, only to be swallowed up in learning to use search engines efficiently and learning how to winnow out all the chaff. 4. The level of independent action you appear to be happy with in a computer gives most people the screaming heebie-jeebies and flashbacks to "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that". 5. Most importantly, your entire body of communications on the list appears to miss out a vital step - how do adaptive systems magically morph into systems capable of initiating actions without user or programmer input? I'm uncomfortably reminded of S. Harris's 'then a miracle occurs' cartoon. :-( http://www.sciencecartoonsplus.com/pages/gallery.php 6. On a slightly more tongue-in-cheek note, enjoy the minutes between the first ubiquitous 'self aware semantically self optimized pattern engine' and dying/transcending/experiencing "It's life Jim, but not as we know it" in the ensuing technological singularity. ;-) Ian P.S. It's 'rote', not 'wrote'. I know it's just a typo, but it's one that drastically alters some of your sentences._______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From capellan2000 at gmail.com Mon May 3 02:45:48 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 23:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT, way way OT] Barney, HC, and the glory days In-Reply-To: <4BDE53F4.7070607@hyperactivesw.com> References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDDD70D.8070009@gmail.com> <4BDE31D5.6080300@hyperactivesw.com> <4BDE53F4.7070607@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1272869148639-2123586.post@n4.nabble.com> I just keep wondering if early ideas of some of those kids, later in life, materialized like: http://www.southparkstudios.com/ http://htf.atom.com/ Still today, there are hundreds of stacks archived in Umich: http://www.umich.edu/~archive/mac/hypercard/ Computer users have multiplied by 1000% since 1990, sadly enough most younger users spend their time in social networks, as users not as creators. Years ago, when i served as jury in one of the Multimedia Mania award program: http://www.ncsu.edu/mmania/ students presented websites, powerpoint slideshows, Quicktime movies and HyperStudio projects. Ideally, Rev could find sponsors to create Awards like Multimedia Mania, to promote Classroom use of RevMedia. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2123586.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From toolbook at kestner.de Mon May 3 02:54:12 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:54:12 +0200 Subject: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip Message-ID: <000f01caea8d$70bb93b0$5232bb10$@de> Hello, still struggeling with keeping the locked flag of a file when zipping and unzipping. I followed exactly Thierries advice to use following syntax: ditto -c -k --sequesterRsrc SrcFolder testditto.zip and though a locked file in Thierries environment is still locked after unzipping, in my environment (MacOS 10.5.8) the file isn't locked anymore after unzipping. So the difference must be in any other test parameter. What I have tried is following: - Actually I am not sure, if the flag gets lost while zipping or unzipping. Anyhow, after unzipping, controlling the information of the file, the flag is lost - I tried different zip tools for zipping and unzipping (ditto, 7zip, gui tar) with same result - Originally my locked file resides within a bundle, but I tested also with a single locked testfile in the source folder with same result - I tested different compression formats (zip, CPIO) with ditto with same result - When using the ditto option -v (just copying a file) the locked flag is kept, but not with -c (creating a compressed archive) - I also tested the ditto options: ditto -c -k --rsrc --extattr SrcFolder testditto.zip with same result So it seems like my problem isn't the zipping and I am overlooking something obvious outside the zipping process. My Mac knowledge is so small, that I really stuck here, what could cause such a different behavior: OS version, User permission (I have full rights), ditto handling,.? Any advice appreciated Tiemo From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 00:47:55 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 23:47:55 -0500 Subject: [OT, way way OT] Barney, HC, and the glory days In-Reply-To: <71619701625.20100502211431@ahsoftware.net> References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDDD70D.8070009@gmail.com> <4BDE31D5.6080300@hyperactivesw.com> <71619701625.20100502211431@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4BDE557B.3080801@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Wieder wrote: > And it's been a while since I've seen a *real* HC stack in action - > it's mindboggling that people still compare rev with this... er... > dinosaur... > Well, to be fair, the younger set didn't use most of HC's capabilities, such as they were. I have several hundred other "real" HC stacks on a CD here, some of which were forum staff picks. And even given HC's limitations, they were extremely well done for the time. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 00:48:58 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 23:48:58 -0500 Subject: [OT, way way OT] Barney, HC, and the glory days In-Reply-To: <851878A3-7999-4482-BD5C-EBD552D31C42@mac.com> References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDDD70D.8070009@gmail.com> <4BDE31D5.6080300@hyperactivesw.com> <851878A3-7999-4482-BD5C-EBD552D31C42@mac.com> Message-ID: <4BDE55BA.9010500@hyperactivesw.com> Thomas McGrath III wrote: > WOW, does this take me back to the old days... I just want to go code > a card based animation in B&W and see if it will go viral on > Facebook!!!!! You have to get a nine year old to do it. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 00:53:01 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 23:53:01 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Wieder wrote: > Colin- > > Sunday, May 2, 2010, 8:52:47 PM, you wrote: > > >> On May 2, 2010, at 11:47 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > >>> "Should we just keep dancing on titanic's deck? >>> Is stupidity the new brilliant?" > > >> Aha! Hence the new Apple slogan: Sink Different. > > > Kill Colin! See TheShortMovie. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon May 3 03:09:43 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 00:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1272870583460-2123609.post@n4.nabble.com> I just want a viable programming language on Linux. When stuff happens, I try to figure out whether they make it more or less likely that we'll be able to get it from Rev. You can't avoid trying to figure out what is going to happen, unless you want to make decisions by tossing a coin. I wish Rev well in its efforts to get into the App Store, but given limited resources, it does seem that success here might be, most probably will be, maybe already has been, at the expense of Linux versions, including Android, which is after all Linux. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Rev-and-the-iPad-tp2123407p2123609.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From th.douez at gmail.com Mon May 3 03:21:48 2010 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry D.) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:21:48 +0200 Subject: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip In-Reply-To: <000f01caea8d$70bb93b0$5232bb10$@de> References: <000f01caea8d$70bb93b0$5232bb10$@de> Message-ID: Le 3 mai 2010 ? 08:54, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit : > Hello, > > still struggeling with keeping the locked flag of a file when zipping and > unzipping. I followed exactly Thierries advice to use following syntax: > > ditto -c -k --sequesterRsrc SrcFolder testditto.zip :( > and though a locked file in Thierries environment is still locked after > unzipping, in my environment (MacOS 10.5.8) the file isn't locked anymore > after unzipping. MacOS 10.6 here. Could it be this ? new ditto version in it ? > So the difference must be in any other test parameter. What > I have tried is following: > > - Actually I am not sure, if the flag gets lost while zipping or > unzipping. Anyhow, after unzipping, controlling the information of the file, > the flag is lost > > - I tried different zip tools for zipping and unzipping (ditto, > 7zip, gui tar) with same result No, no ! --sequesterRsrc works only with PKZip Do in a terminal: ditto -h Usage: ditto [ ] src [ ... src ] dst are any of: ........... -X do not descend into directories with a different device ID .......... -c create an archive at dst (by default CPIO format) -x src(s) are archives -z gzip compress CPIO archive -j bzip2 compress CPIO archive -k archives are PKZip ............ --sequesterRsrc copy resources via polite directory (PKZip only) ............ Regards, Thierry From toolbook at kestner.de Mon May 3 03:56:34 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:56:34 +0200 Subject: AW: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip In-Reply-To: References: <000f01caea8d$70bb93b0$5232bb10$@de> Message-ID: <001a01caea96$271cbff0$75563fd0$@de> Bonjour Thierry, thank you for caring :) > > and though a locked file in Thierries environment is still locked > after > > unzipping, in my environment (MacOS 10.5.8) the file isn't locked > anymore > > after unzipping. > > MacOS 10.6 here. Could it be this ? new ditto version in it ? Actually I don't think so, it must be something more obvious - so obvious, that I don't see it And I think this must be such a standard behavior, which hasn't changed since ages. > > > > - I tried different zip tools for zipping and unzipping > (ditto, > > 7zip, gui tar) with same result > > No, no ! > > --sequesterRsrc works only with PKZip No no, I didn't tried to use the ditto parameters with the other tools :). I just tested the other tools with their standard gui without any special parameters, just to see, if it is a ditto issue. > > Do in a terminal: ditto -h > > Usage: ditto [ ] src [ ... src ] dst > > are any of: > ........... > -X do not descend into directories with a different > device ID > .......... > -c create an archive at dst (by default CPIO format) > -x src(s) are archives > -z gzip compress CPIO archive > -j bzip2 compress CPIO archive > -k archives are PKZip > ............ > --sequesterRsrc copy resources via polite directory (PKZip only) > ............ Yes I am studying the man ditto since days and tried all combinations of parameters so that I now think it has nothing to do with the zipping tool, but something completely different. Something like ... ? > > Regards, > Thierry > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From th.douez at gmail.com Mon May 3 04:13:11 2010 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry D.) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:13:11 +0200 Subject: AW: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip In-Reply-To: <001a01caea96$271cbff0$75563fd0$@de> References: <000f01caea8d$70bb93b0$5232bb10$@de> <001a01caea96$271cbff0$75563fd0$@de> Message-ID: <53E8CAE5-A371-48F2-9C07-CC863F3E036F@sunnyrevcode.com> Le 3 mai 2010 ? 09:56, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit : Another thought : Have you all the rights ( user and group ) to do so ? May be worth a try with this one : sudo ditto ... Good luck Thierry From toolbook at kestner.de Mon May 3 04:30:34 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:30:34 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip In-Reply-To: <53E8CAE5-A371-48F2-9C07-CC863F3E036F@sunnyrevcode.com> References: <000f01caea8d$70bb93b0$5232bb10$@de> <001a01caea96$271cbff0$75563fd0$@de> <53E8CAE5-A371-48F2-9C07-CC863F3E036F@sunnyrevcode.com> Message-ID: <002001caea9a$e729f430$b57ddc90$@de> Same result, thank you Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Thierry D. > Gesendet: Montag, 3. Mai 2010 10:13 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: AW: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip > > > Le 3 mai 2010 ? 09:56, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit : > > > Another thought : > > Have you all the rights ( user and group ) to do so ? > > May be worth a try with this one : > > sudo ditto ... > > Good luck > Thierry > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon May 3 04:34:51 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:34:51 +0800 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as being more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather long posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but in the end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - although I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, and some of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's right or wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains us, that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than [your name here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our own prejudices, failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and lack of confidence. I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. If I were running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent on how to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I listened to everyone on this List and added all the bells and whistles it's critics are complaining about. It would be a failure. But in Steve's hands I know it will be a success. I've been blown away by what some people have dreamt up for the thing. After seeing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFmtQWrYNg If I had grandchildren, I'd buy one for them, not question. My wife will undoubtedly buy one, regardless of my 'what for???' protests. And if I somehow manage to get out of paying for it, she'll persuade her work to buy a couple. Some think that the Flash decision is wrong, but really all they are reflecting is the fact that they themselves couldn't make it work because of all their own sediment. Whether it's right or wrong isn't anywhere near as important as whether Steve can continue to make money without Flash, and I, and I'm sure most on this List, deep down, believe he can. Steve knows the market, knows how to spin things, knows where he's headed, knows the steps to get there, knows what life is like with Flash, and has a good handle on what life will be like without Flash, and it is he who has chosen the time to pull the plug. The Future will shortly be History repeating itself. From contact at kipmedia.com Mon May 3 04:52:45 2010 From: contact at kipmedia.com (chris livermore) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 18:52:45 +1000 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <26DE92EF-1024-44C8-9863-9331CEE1890A@kipmedia.com> Wow! well said Kay... commonsense is back in town. On 03/05/2010, at 6:34 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I > expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as > being > more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. > > And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather > long > posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but > in the > end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - > although > I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) > > So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, > and some > of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's > right or > wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains > us, > that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than > [your name > here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) > > And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our > own > prejudices, failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and > lack of > confidence. > > I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. > If I were > running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no > confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent > on how > to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I > listened to everyone on this List and added all the bells and > whistles it's > critics are complaining about. It would be a failure. > > But in Steve's hands I know it will be a success. I've been blown > away by > what some people have dreamt up for the thing. After seeing this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFmtQWrYNg > > If I had grandchildren, I'd buy one for them, not question. My wife > will > undoubtedly buy one, regardless of my 'what for???' protests. And if I > somehow manage to get out of paying for it, she'll persuade her work > to buy > a couple. > > Some think that the Flash decision is wrong, but really all they are > reflecting is the fact that they themselves couldn't make it work > because of > all their own sediment. > > Whether it's right or wrong isn't anywhere near as important as > whether > Steve can continue to make money without Flash, and I, and I'm sure > most on > this List, deep down, believe he can. Steve knows the market, knows > how to > spin things, knows where he's headed, knows the steps to get there, > knows > what life is like with Flash, and has a good handle on what life > will be > like without Flash, and it is he who has chosen the time to pull the > plug. > > The Future will shortly be History repeating itself. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Chris Livermore - Senior Project Manager www.kipmedia.com Mobile 0403 288 504 contact at kipmedia.com __________________________________________________ B.Sc., Dip.Biol.Sc., Dip.Prof.Comm (multimedia). - Scientific/Medical - multimedia education & training - online databases, websites, cd, dvd, video __________________________________________________ From psahores at free.fr Mon May 3 05:37:21 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:37:21 +0200 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: References: <4BDCB31E.3070907@fourthworld.com> <4BDCDFCF.5040108@hyperactivesw.com> <51656122-7A9B-4EA2-B9F2-8332BCF665D6@numericable.com> Message-ID: Le 3 mai 2010 ? 00:00, Mark Swindell a ?crit : > I think a great problem for Rev stacks is that they are mostly created by one-man or woman shops. There are not teams with project directors, artists, photoshop experts, animators, etc. (Scott Rossi may qualify as a team, in this scenario, but he is unique.) This is both liberating and constraining, funny how that works. If there were more collaboration between graphic artists, design experts and programmers, perhaps the output would be more aesthetically viable. But now we're dealing in big budgets. Exact ! Rev is not the problem ! WE (REV PRO DEVLOPERS) WILL REMIND THE PROBLEM AS LONG AS WE WILL NOT BECOME ABLE TO BUILD COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE BASED TEAMS <=> APPLICATIONS. It seems especially applicable to all the projects we could launch to outpass the limits Rendall is pointing its (and our) reflexion on. In my own mind, we would become lots more credibles and effiscients if we could build such collaborative groups to buid : - web 3 semantical "inference engines + imperative rules + adaptative rules" based distribued organised objects info collectors and search engines where the search engine would not reside on a central server but on each end-user computer as an revlet browser's plugin and where the search results would be back-shared on the end-user screen and simultaneously sended to a central "hash-tables typed" shared memory (a PostgreSQL server) for next reuses. - first class n-tier web/ria solutions. - P2P AV streaming solutions. and, more generaly, all the kind of novative apps we could especially design, in getting its best from Rev, to build great inference engines based automats in filling the ways to go i began to synthetise in this paper, for yet (sorry) untranslated to english : -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From rene.micout at numericable.com Mon May 3 06:16:25 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 12:16:25 +0200 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: References: <4BDCB31E.3070907@fourthworld.com> <4BDCDFCF.5040108@hyperactivesw.com> <51656122-7A9B-4EA2-B9F2-8332BCF665D6@numericable.com> Message-ID: <30C026B8-98C2-472B-A5DD-26E7BDE843C0@numericable.com> Pierre, It is long but I will read it... C'est long, mais je vais faire l'effort de lire... Bon souvenir de Paris Ren? Le 3 mai 2010 ? 11:37, Pierre Sahores a ?crit : > > Le 3 mai 2010 ? 00:00, Mark Swindell a ?crit : > >> I think a great problem for Rev stacks is that they are mostly created by one-man or woman shops. There are not teams with project directors, artists, photoshop experts, animators, etc. (Scott Rossi may qualify as a team, in this scenario, but he is unique.) This is both liberating and constraining, funny how that works. If there were more collaboration between graphic artists, design experts and programmers, perhaps the output would be more aesthetically viable. But now we're dealing in big budgets. > > Exact ! Rev is not the problem ! WE (REV PRO DEVLOPERS) WILL REMIND THE PROBLEM AS LONG AS WE WILL NOT BECOME ABLE TO BUILD COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE BASED TEAMS <=> APPLICATIONS. > > It seems especially applicable to all the projects we could launch to outpass the limits Rendall is pointing its (and our) reflexion on. In my own mind, we would become lots more credibles and effiscients if we could build such collaborative groups to buid : > > - web 3 semantical "inference engines + imperative rules + adaptative rules" based distribued organised objects info collectors and search engines where the search engine would not reside on a central server but on each end-user computer as an revlet browser's plugin and where the search results would be back-shared on the end-user screen and simultaneously sended to a central "hash-tables typed" shared memory (a PostgreSQL server) for next reuses. > > - first class n-tier web/ria solutions. > > - P2P AV streaming solutions. > > and, more generaly, all the kind of novative apps we could especially design, in getting its best from Rev, to build great inference engines based automats in filling the ways to go i began to synthetise in this paper, for yet (sorry) untranslated to english : > > > > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 > > www.woooooooords.com > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Mon May 3 06:17:27 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:17:27 +0100 Subject: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition In-Reply-To: <20100503054713.KWDQ29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100503054713.KWDQ29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <043E6A83-A3B9-4182-800B-F93914CF4CC3@azurevision.co.uk> On 3 May 2010, at 06:47, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Why don't you ask the guys at adobe if their content is really aware. So your only response to someone taking the time to go through your email in a serious manner and discuss the topics included is to take a pot-shot and not respond to any of the points? Yep, put me down as another person who's putting your email address into the spam filter as a troll. Ian From psahores at free.fr Mon May 3 06:33:08 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 12:33:08 +0200 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: <30C026B8-98C2-472B-A5DD-26E7BDE843C0@numericable.com> References: <4BDCB31E.3070907@fourthworld.com> <4BDCDFCF.5040108@hyperactivesw.com> <51656122-7A9B-4EA2-B9F2-8332BCF665D6@numericable.com> <30C026B8-98C2-472B-A5DD-26E7BDE843C0@numericable.com> Message-ID: <993FB8A2-5658-44FA-896A-6BDFBF422230@free.fr> Ren?, Interesting in getting your feedback ;-) Une version remise en forme sous une forme plus fun (interview par un pote) devrait ?tre dispo. prochainement. Best Regards from Juran?on, Pierre Le 3 mai 2010 ? 12:16, Ren? Micout a ?crit : > Pierre, > It is long but I will read it... > C'est long, mais je vais faire l'effort de lire... Merci ; c'est dans la navette des id?es qu'elles percolent souvent le mieux :D > Bon souvenir de Paris > Ren? > > Le 3 mai 2010 ? 11:37, Pierre Sahores a ?crit : > >> >> Le 3 mai 2010 ? 00:00, Mark Swindell a ?crit : >> >>> I think a great problem for Rev stacks is that they are mostly created by one-man or woman shops. There are not teams with project directors, artists, photoshop experts, animators, etc. (Scott Rossi may qualify as a team, in this scenario, but he is unique.) This is both liberating and constraining, funny how that works. If there were more collaboration between graphic artists, design experts and programmers, perhaps the output would be more aesthetically viable. But now we're dealing in big budgets. >> >> Exact ! Rev is not the problem ! WE (REV PRO DEVLOPERS) WILL REMIND THE PROBLEM AS LONG AS WE WILL NOT BECOME ABLE TO BUILD COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE BASED TEAMS <=> APPLICATIONS. >> >> It seems especially applicable to all the projects we could launch to outpass the limits Rendall is pointing its (and our) reflexion on. In my own mind, we would become lots more credibles and effiscients if we could build such collaborative groups to buid : >> >> - web 3 semantical "inference engines + imperative rules + adaptative rules" based distribued organised objects info collectors and search engines where the search engine would not reside on a central server but on each end-user computer as an revlet browser's plugin and where the search results would be back-shared on the end-user screen and simultaneously sended to a central "hash-tables typed" shared memory (a PostgreSQL server) for next reuses. >> >> - first class n-tier web/ria solutions. >> >> - P2P AV streaming solutions. >> >> and, more generaly, all the kind of novative apps we could especially design, in getting its best from Rev, to build great inference engines based automats in filling the ways to go i began to synthetise in this paper, for yet (sorry) untranslated to english : >> >> >> >> -- >> Pierre Sahores >> mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 >> >> www.woooooooords.com >> www.sahores-conseil.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 3 07:02:20 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 14:02:20 +0300 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: <993FB8A2-5658-44FA-896A-6BDFBF422230@free.fr> References: <4BDCB31E.3070907@fourthworld.com> <4BDCDFCF.5040108@hyperactivesw.com> <51656122-7A9B-4EA2-B9F2-8332BCF665D6@numericable.com> <30C026B8-98C2-472B-A5DD-26E7BDE843C0@numericable.com> <993FB8A2-5658-44FA-896A-6BDFBF422230@free.fr> Message-ID: <4BDEAD3C.6090207@gmail.com> I'm sorry I took some time to respond to this; but fell into to bed far too late last night, having got myself (I really need to control myself) stirred up by a certain person. I am sorry about my contribution to that fairly ugly stramash. >>>> I think a great problem for Rev stacks is that they are mostly created by one-man or woman shops. There are not teams with project directors, artists, photoshop experts, animators, etc. (Scott Rossi may qualify as a team, in this scenario, but he is unique.) This is both liberating and constraining, funny how that works. If there were more collaboration between graphic artists, design experts and programmers, perhaps the output would be more aesthetically viable. But now we're dealing in big budgets. >>> Exact ! Rev is not the problem ! WE (REV PRO DEVLOPERS) WILL REMIND THE PROBLEM AS LONG AS WE WILL NOT BECOME ABLE TO BUILD COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE BASED TEAMS<=> APPLICATIONS. >>> >>> 2 points here: 1. "Rev is not the problem ! " No it isn't; but that statement somehow reminds me of Bulgarian communists who say "Communism was not the problem; it was just that people misunderstood it and refused to become good communists." I think that Rev may be part of the problem, because problems are never one-sided, and are usually extremely complicated. Certainly, if the Rev documentation could be sorted out, brought up to date, and purged of references to things and features that are not there any more (c.f. refs to making standalones for ancient computer systems), that would make things a lot smoother. 2. "I think a great problem for Rev stacks is that they are mostly created by one-man or woman shops." I think that is only a problem if you expecting socking-great stacks on a par with Adobe Photoshop and so on. To my mind Runtime Revolution is the ideal RAD for developing things to plug vital but overlooked niches (c.f. my Devawriter; the beginning of a series of systems for digitising language texts that use extremely complicated writing systems). It is often a backroom boy/girl who spots these niches and is able to plug them reasonably quickly. While my Devawriter is not "state of the art" confectionary it does what it sets out to do in a reasonably aesthetic sort of way; one is tempted to wonder if, with that sort of program, a whole hierarchy of "project directors, artists, photoshop experts, animators, etc." would have made a particularly significant difference. Particularly as what was required was a font expert, was reasonably competent with GIMP and RunRev, and had a working knowledge of Sanskrit = me . . . :) What, to my mind, is far more important than a whole hierarchy of " . . . . " is that each program should be put through fairly rigorous Beta testing before it is released. I don't know whether we need to have a "committee of experts" to judge what could and what couldn't be included in some sort of Rev website like the Apple one: http://www.apple.com/downloads/ (gosh, just thinking about it as a possibility makes me excited) or things couldn't be a bit more Darwinian; if they fly they fly, and if they crash they crash. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 3 07:51:27 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 14:51:27 +0300 Subject: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost) Message-ID: <4BDEB8BF.2010204@gmail.com> I am reposting this as it seems to have got lost amongst the recent cruft. It actually concerns an aspect of RunRev programming! ----------------------------------------------------- Yesterday I wrote: ----------------------------------------------------- Recently I had a slightly worrying post from a chap attempting to use my Devawriter on a computer running Windows Vista. The problem is that when Devawriter calls a Unicode character that is not meant to move the cursor/insert place forward, merely print something either above or beneath the preceding character it does not; while printing the character it also moves the insert forward so that everything comes out incorrectly. I tried to duplicate this problem on Mac and Windows XP (not having access to Vista) and was unable to. Luckily this chap managed to get hold of a machine running XP and has had no further problems. I would be extremely grateful if anybody has any ideas and/or advice regarding this problem, as it is a real problem. Obviously Vista does not "play ball" with Unicode fonts in RunRev in quite the same way that Mac and XP do. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ----------------------------------------------------- Perhaps I should also ask if anybody has experienced anything similar with Windows 7. ----------------------------------------------------- From coiin at verizon.net Mon May 3 08:00:56 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:00:56 -0400 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <69B16B2A-DCB5-497C-9C1D-294AFA505944@me.com> References: <13AA7967-BC4B-45C0-BA04-6E48C4E8FE58@me.com> <69B16B2A-DCB5-497C-9C1D-294AFA505944@me.com> Message-ID: <95AB6CF9-F12E-428B-8F8D-24089ABC34E2@verizon.net> On May 3, 2010, at 12:11 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > >The best way to PREDICT the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay I wonder if Alan Kay predicted that Apple would remove his Scratch App from the App Store. From kkaufman at snet.net Mon May 3 08:02:29 2010 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:02:29 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <7B444BE4-A2E3-4429-8EAD-42F45404E9BD@snet.net> Colin Holgate: > "Aha! Hence the new Apple slogan: Sink Different." Please forgive me, but for those who haven't seen it, this clip is right on the mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMhICbFn2JI From st.king42 at ntlworld.com Mon May 3 08:04:32 2010 From: st.king42 at ntlworld.com (Steve King) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:04:32 +0100 Subject: Re trouble with Tab Panels In-Reply-To: <20100502220823.F17B828832B@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100502220823.F17B828832B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark That sort of fixed it - should have guessed from background saying put after card in message path.... Realised I had two problems though, one not passing and secondly the tab panel seems to have a different group ID on one card. So now it works on two cards (having same Tab panel ID) and not quite right on the third, with a different ID. I suspect I put this one in maually on card 1 before I designated as background on card 2 and created card 3 from that. I suspect If I delete the offending cards and regenerate new cards all will be well now. Many Thanks Steve >Sunday, May 2, 2010, 12:34:34 PM, you wrote: >> I am using simply.. >> On MenuPick theCard >> Go to Card theCard >> End MenuPick >> Any suggestions? >Try >On MenuPick theCard > Go to Card theCard > Pass MenuPick >End MenuPick >-- >-Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net From st.king42 at ntlworld.com Mon May 3 08:11:47 2010 From: st.king42 at ntlworld.com (Steve King) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:11:47 +0100 Subject: Printing in Windows In-Reply-To: <20100503041432.6375228856B@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100503041432.6375228856B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <96F2469FEEFE42568333090C6C679652@Home> Hi Jacqueline Yes, the Printer libraries are included in the standalone build, I've let Rev sort out libraries itself and also tried manually including. This has no effect though Code is : on mouseUp --answer printer (just me experimenting) --answer page setup (Just me experimenting) get the PrintPaperOrientation Put it into Old_Orientation Set the PrintPaperOrientation to "Landscape" set the printmargins to 72,30,72,30 Set the PrintScale to 0.75 Set the LockScreen to True set the visible of group "TAB" to false Set the visible of button "Print" to false Print this card set the visible of group "TAB" to True Set the visible of button "Print" to True Set the LockScreen to False set the visible of fld "Printing" to True -- This is just a dummy to the user while I wait 2 seconds wait for 2 seconds set the visible of fld "Printing" to False Set the PrintPaperOrientation to Old_Orientation end mouseUp Any help appreciated Cheers Steve >Subject: Re: Printing in Windows >To: How to use Revolution >Message-ID: <4BDE3533.9010305 at hyperactivesw.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>Steve King wrote: >> Hi All >> >> I am also having problems printing in Windows. >> >> In development, setting print orientation works fine. In the standalone it >> doesn't. I get Landscape in the development but portrait (the printer >> default) in the standalone. >> >> I do the following >> >> Read printer orientation >> Store it >> Set it to landscape >> Print >> Wait 2 seconds (incase being set to portrait to quickly) >> Set back to portrait >> >> Any suggestions? >If you're using any of the "rev" prefixed print commands, you need to >include the Printing library in the standalone. It doesn't sound like >that's the problem though. Can you post the relevant part of your script? >-- >Jacqueline Landman Gay From kkaufman at snet.net Mon May 3 08:14:01 2010 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:14:01 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: I think that the combination of portability/touchscreen opens up a few new tricks; an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHiEqf5wb3g&NR=1&feature=fvwp It seems to me that Apple has its own versions of technologies that accept a greater variety of user inputs, perhaps mitigating the need for Flash. As others have mentioned, we also see here a prime example of "heavy hype" in action... From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon May 3 08:32:14 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 08:32:14 -0400 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <95AB6CF9-F12E-428B-8F8D-24089ABC34E2@verizon.net> References: <13AA7967-BC4B-45C0-BA04-6E48C4E8FE58@me.com> <69B16B2A-DCB5-497C-9C1D-294AFA505944@me.com> <95AB6CF9-F12E-428B-8F8D-24089ABC34E2@verizon.net> Message-ID: <690108C3-516B-495C-B8B1-DD0BDA7C208D@mac.com> Alan Kay didn't create the Scratch App for the App Store. John McIntosh, a software developer unaffiliated with MIT, made the Scratch app for iPhone. Read more here: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/04/apple-scratch-app/ Tom Read More http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/04/apple-scratch-app/#ixzz0mrwT6qlm On May 3, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > > On May 3, 2010, at 12:11 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > >>> The best way to PREDICT the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay > > > > I wonder if Alan Kay predicted that Apple would remove his Scratch App from the App Store. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Mon May 3 08:43:43 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:43:43 -0400 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <690108C3-516B-495C-B8B1-DD0BDA7C208D@mac.com> References: <13AA7967-BC4B-45C0-BA04-6E48C4E8FE58@me.com> <69B16B2A-DCB5-497C-9C1D-294AFA505944@me.com> <95AB6CF9-F12E-428B-8F8D-24089ABC34E2@verizon.net> <690108C3-516B-495C-B8B1-DD0BDA7C208D@mac.com> Message-ID: <60E0C07E-0410-40CC-B473-AEABBB000877@verizon.net> On May 3, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >Alan Kay didn't create the Scratch App for the App Store. John McIntosh, a software developer unaffiliated with MIT, made the Scratch app for iPhone. I wonder if Alan Kay predicted that an App based on his Squeak language would be removed from the App Store. From rene.micout at numericable.com Mon May 3 09:32:13 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 15:32:13 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is this true ? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJdjFoLD5vBSkguGO Ren? From rene.micout at numericable.com Mon May 3 09:27:04 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 15:27:04 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6568310F-5208-4A33-8D57-B7B0C8EFFAA0@numericable.com> Hello Kurt, Beautiful realisation ! Ren? Le 3 mai 2010 ? 14:14, Kurt Kaufman a ?crit : > I think that the combination of portability/touchscreen opens up a few new tricks; an example: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHiEqf5wb3g&NR=1&feature=fvwp > > It seems to me that Apple has its own versions of technologies that accept a greater variety of user inputs, perhaps mitigating the need for Flash. As others have mentioned, we also see here a prime example of "heavy hype" in action..._______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Mon May 3 09:37:09 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 15:37:09 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9p_=3A_Apples_actual_response_to_the_Flash_iss?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ue?= Message-ID: Is this true ? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJdjFoLD5vBSkguGO Ren? From crw at nosirrah.com Mon May 3 09:29:00 2010 From: crw at nosirrah.com (Graham & Heather Harrison) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 23:29:00 +1000 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <20100502170004.25780288400@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100502170004.25780288400@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <075B368B-4C74-4169-A01E-69E742C35CBD@nosirrah.com> Having exhausted all conceivable testing scenarios (including suggestions from this list, available lessons and tutorials) to get rev to recognise Shao Sean's ssMacWindows external, I was forced to confront the Sherlock Holmesian alternative that the problem might lie with ssMacWindows. A long search finally found another external written for Mac OS X (EnhancedQT from bluemango) which worked under the first method I tried. Whether ssMacWindows has a problem with rev 4.0.0, or Mac OS X 10.6.3 I can't say, and I have not found a way to contact Shao Sean; there is no link on his web site. Can anyone help me with contact information, or who best to ask at Rev? Jacque, you said that externals were difficult, and that there is a (steep) learning curve for rev. That is proving true for me because I am using the latest version of rev, on the latest Mac OS X. I am finding that the documentation, examples and lessons are written for older OS's and older rev's. In fact I would not be surprised if was easier to learn rev on a G5 PPC running Tiger (or Leopard perhaps), and a previous release of rev. But putting that aside, I have long held the opinion that you can't know a program properly until you try to fix it when it goes wrong, so this has been an excellent learning experience, and the curve has flattened out a tad. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon May 3 09:26:34 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 15:26:34 +0200 Subject: ANN: Clipboard Link & CC File Converter updated Message-ID: <4790CC3C-A5E4-4998-843A-BA8068EDDF11@economy-x-talk.com> Hello, This weekend, Economy-x-Talk has updated two products that were made with RunRev: Clipboard Link and CC File Converter. Clipboard Link shares the clipboard of your computer with other computers on the network. The new version 1.2 now works fine on all platforms, including PowerMacs. More info at http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com CC File Converter converts picture files into several formats with different colour profiles. The new release contains several small fixes. Have a look at http://www.color-converter.com -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at http://www.twistaword.net From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 3 10:13:45 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 17:13:45 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDEDA19.9090602@gmail.com> On 03/05/2010 16:32, Ren? Micout wrote: > Is this true ? > http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJdjFoLD5vBSkguGO > Ren? I said there would be a backlash; but I didn't think it would take this form. From davidocoker at gmail.com Mon May 3 09:07:02 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:07:02 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Kurt Kaufman wrote: > I think that the combination of portability/touchscreen opens up a few new tricks; an example: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHiEqf5wb3g&NR=1&feature=fvwp > > It seems to me that Apple has its own versions of technologies that accept a greater variety of user inputs, perhaps mitigating the need for Flash. ?As others have mentioned, we also see here a prime example of "heavy hype" in action..._______________________________________________ That's quite amazing! Thanks for sharing it with us. Best regards, David C. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon May 3 10:21:43 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 07:21:43 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <4BDEDBF7.80803@fourthworld.com> Ren? Micout wrote: > http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJdjFoLD5vBSkguGO From tech blogger Hank Williams, on April 9: Trying to control where something is originally done is attempting to control the thought process that yields a given result. Because if you thought of it in Java, and wrote it in java, and then, whether by hand or by tool, converted it to C, you are now outside the bounds of 3.3.1. Some may say my interpretation is too pedantic. But the point is that in order for Apple to limit people in the way that they want to, i.e. to prevent the use of a given tool, they are inflicting collateral damage. I do not think there is a way to achieve their goal without such ridiculous restrictions. I have not done my legal homework here, but this seems to be a clear example of restraint of trade, a basic tenet of contract law. Kinda ironic that Apple launched the Mac with a "1984"-themed ad, and now are willing to pursue criminal penalties for anyone who commits coder thoughtcrime. Doubleplus ungood. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From andre at andregarzia.com Mon May 3 09:13:47 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:13:47 -0300 Subject: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition In-Reply-To: <043E6A83-A3B9-4182-800B-F93914CF4CC3@azurevision.co.uk> References: <20100503054713.KWDQ29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> <043E6A83-A3B9-4182-800B-F93914CF4CC3@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: what is happening on my list :-( I stay away for a couple of days and all things break loose... tesc tesc tesc... Now, I've just devised the perfect solution for this! Now, Revolution powered list monitor software will scan every email and assign a "Revolution Content Rate" factor to it, if it has a high RCR number, it will simply go thru, if its RCR is too low, then you will be driven to the Quality Center and the system will request that you solve an engine bug. If/When you solve it, then, your mail will go thru. The bugs will be assigned using a simple algorithm where the severity or age of the bug is inversely proportional to the RCR value of the email. So that if you rate quite low on RCR you will be given the most old powerful engine bugs to solve. I hope you all understand that this is for the good of the community and we'll benefit from it, if the low RCR rate continues like what I've been seeing here, I grok that we'll solve all the engine bugs plus port the engine to Haiku, Solaris (again), FreeBSD (again), Android (Android is the new black) in about a week. If some user reaches ZERO KRCR, which stands for 0 Kelvin Revolution Content Rate which is really absolute zero RCR, he will be given flight tickets to Switzerland and a big dossie on the LHC and the task to prevent it from destroying the world. If he ever solves all CERN bugs, we'll ship our hero to SETI and then after that small taks, he'll go to Redmond to solve Windows and throw chairs at Ballmer. PS: This message has an RCR of 2, so I've been given a Bug to solve, but since QA center is down, I am yet to know which one. On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > > On 3 May 2010, at 06:47, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > > Why don't you ask the guys at adobe if their content is really aware. >> > > So your only response to someone taking the time to go through your email > in a serious manner and discuss the topics included is to take a pot-shot > and not respond to any of the points? > > Yep, put me down as another person who's putting your email address into > the spam filter as a troll. > > Ian > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon May 3 09:18:24 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 09:18:24 -0400 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <60E0C07E-0410-40CC-B473-AEABBB000877@verizon.net> References: <13AA7967-BC4B-45C0-BA04-6E48C4E8FE58@me.com> <69B16B2A-DCB5-497C-9C1D-294AFA505944@me.com> <95AB6CF9-F12E-428B-8F8D-24089ABC34E2@verizon.net> <690108C3-516B-495C-B8B1-DD0BDA7C208D@mac.com> <60E0C07E-0410-40CC-B473-AEABBB000877@verizon.net> Message-ID: <6A30166D-3CF9-4753-8DAB-CED2309B48D2@mac.com> Ha ha,,,,, Thanks for that Colin, I hope pointing out the author of Scratch didn't come off as rude. I want a Dynabook.... Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today? http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com DeMoted on the iTune App Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8 On May 3, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > > On May 3, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >>> Alan Kay didn't create the Scratch App for the App Store. John McIntosh, a software developer unaffiliated with MIT, made the Scratch app for iPhone. > > > I wonder if Alan Kay predicted that an App based on his Squeak language would be removed from the App Store. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Mon May 3 10:34:16 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 07:34:16 -0700 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> > Is this true ? > http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJ > djFoLD5vBSkguGO I hope you all don't mind my splitting this topic away from the others. If this is true, it may actually bring about some desirable changes. While a few squeaking developers may not have any impact on the state of Revolution-on-iPhone/iPad, this sort of thing can have "shareholder value" consequences. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 10:54:12 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 09:54:12 -0500 Subject: Re trouble with Tab Panels In-Reply-To: References: <20100502220823.F17B828832B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4BDEE394.5040806@hyperactivesw.com> Steve King wrote: > Hi Mark > > That sort of fixed it - should have guessed from background saying put after > card in message path.... Realised I had two problems though, one not passing > and secondly the tab panel seems to have a different group ID on one card. > So now it works on two cards (having same Tab panel ID) and not quite right > on the third, with a different ID. I suspect I put this one in maually on > card 1 before I designated as background on card 2 and created card 3 from > that. I suspect If I delete the offending cards and regenerate new cards all > will be well now. You don't really need to generate new cards. Just choose one card's group as the one you want to share. Delete the duplicate group on each of the other cards. Then choose "place group" from the Object menu, and the shared one will appear on the card. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From cszasz at mac.com Mon May 3 11:07:54 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Card cut off at bottom because of menu In-Reply-To: <4BDE1D8B.9000702@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1272550884480-2075550.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BD9A401.4000002@hyperactivesw.com> <9819E427-9085-4BA2-8954-BED686732ED2@mac.com> <4BDB187D.7020608@hyperactivesw.com> <1272838820616-2123319.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BDE1D8B.9000702@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <41377A06-250B-468A-B295-B80B8FC9D860@mac.com> Jacqueline, Yes, I see what you mean. Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com On May 2, 2010, at 8:49 PM, J. Landman Gay [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: > charles61 wrote: > > > Jacqueline, > > > > I tried your OS X menu script in my stack: > > > > on preOpenStack > > set the loc of this stack to the screenloc > > set the backgroundcolor of this stack to 255,255,255 > > > > if the platform = "MacOS" then --->This sets the menu for Mac without > > using the Menu Builder to set Mac menu!! > > set the menubar of this stack to "menugroupname" > > set the defaultmenubar to "menugroupname" > > end if > > > > end preOpenStack > > > > I saved it then I closed Rev and my stack. Then I relaunch my stack and got > > the following error in the IDE: > > > > executing at 6:01:29 PM > > Type defaultMenuBar: can't find group > > Object S504 > > Line set the defaultmenubar to "menugroupname" > > Hint menugroupname > > You need to put the real name of your menu group in there. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | [hidden email] > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Card-cut-off-at-bottom-because-of-menu-tp2075550p2123410.html > To unsubscribe from Re: Card cut off at bottom because of menu, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Card-cut-off-at-bottom-because-of-menu-tp2075550p2124096.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From david.bovill at gmail.com Mon May 3 11:21:37 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:21:37 +0100 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> References: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Yes - I hope it ramps things up. On 3 May 2010 15:34, Lynn Fredricks wrote: > > Is this true ? > > http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJ > > djFoLD5vBSkguGO > > I hope you all don't mind my splitting this topic away from the others. > > If this is true, it may actually bring about some desirable changes. While > a > few squeaking developers may not have any impact on the state of > Revolution-on-iPhone/iPad, this sort of thing can have "shareholder value" > consequences. > I think Steve Jobs underestimated developer reaction in the age of the internet and open source - he can't get away with the same sort of things quite as easily as companies could last century. I also doubt he will take very well to the sudden realization that he has turned from underdog fighting the cause of good design, to a one-man-band lock-in merchant in the eyes of quite so many young developers. RunRev needs all of this + the anti-trust threat to make sure revMobile on the iPhone does not fall out of this as collateral damage - the more pressure the more reason Apple will have to negotiate exceptions. Especially in Runrev can offer some technological features that are specific to the iPhone that CS5 does not offer? Google must be loving this. From jerry.daniels at me.com Mon May 3 11:28:19 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 10:28:19 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I actually believe Apple HOPED the iPad and their overall initiative to reinvent computing would be a huge success. But I think they had concerns regarding how quickly it would sell beyond the Apple faithful...especially the reinvent computing part. Apple initially under-built the iPad in terms of units produced. That's why I say that. But this list is about Revolution. This post is about the Apple mobile platform lock-down as it affects Rev developers. If were Apple, I would have difficulty viewing Revolution as a good partner with whom to reinvent computing. Rev for the Mac does not take advantage of Cocoa and DOES seek to common-denominate. Rev may have plans to change all that with a new IDE, etc, but the field object is still incapable of independently aligned, chunk-addressable columns in spite of user demand and outrage for years. So color me skeptical and Apple even more so as regards Rev keeping up with the times. On the other hand, Revolution may regard Apple as a bad business partner for changing the rules after Rev created a splendid revMobile for the iPhone/iPad. Rev may have had it with Apple. I can understand that. So...is the Apple lock-down just? For justice we must go to Don Corleone, and he does not exist. So time to forget that and the karma you think Apple deserves for being evil. Is the lock-down for Apple mobile devices for real? Yes. Will the lock-down spread to OS X? Nominally, no. In reality, YES. The MacBook Touch (or whatever it's called) will run a locked-down variant of iPad OS. It just won't have the OS X moniker. Will Revolution have to embrace the Apple approach in order to follow it? Yes. Moments like this one present huge opportunity for a small, nimble, and creative company. There's a new wind blowing and Rev has the sails (engineering) to catch it. The sails just need re-rigging. The wind (market momentum) is there. Will they re-rig? Of this i can be certain: I will be sailing in those new waters with those new winds beneath my sails (and sales). I love developing and inventing tools. I love making money while I do it. I will be doing both with or without Revolution as we know it today. Is the emerging Apple mobile market worth the re-tooling I will need to do? I believe so. It has tremendous momentum. For a small company, latching onto a small growing market is the way to go. Also, I have to consider my own experience as an iPad user. Using an iPad makes using my MacBook Pro feel almost anachronistic. I reach for the screen, wait for words to spell themselves, but my Mac just sits there. Using Windows OS at this point seems, I hate to say it...clunky. I would never have said this before, and I say this to foreshadow, not to derogate. What new development tools will I be creating for myself and others in the coming weeks and months to exploit the Apple mobile platform momentum? I have been testing several concepts, and based on the proofs, have my sights set on some pretty exciting stuff. New approaches that will still seem familiar. I cannot say a whole lot more than that, right now. But I can say this: If you want to get involved in single language development for Mac, iPhone, iPad and whatever comes next, now would be a good time to get tRev, a Mac and an iPad if you don't already have them. tRev Mac users will get first access to these new tools to which I now only allude. More on this in the coming week. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 3, 2010, at 3:34 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I > expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as being > more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. > > And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather long > posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but in the > end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - although > I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) > > So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, and some > of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's right or > wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains us, > that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than [your name > here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) > > And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our own > prejudices, failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and lack of > confidence. > > I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. If I were > running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no > confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent on how > to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I > listened to everyone on this List and added all the bells and whistles it's > critics are complaining about. It would be a failure. > > But in Steve's hands I know it will be a success. I've been blown away by > what some people have dreamt up for the thing. After seeing this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFmtQWrYNg > > If I had grandchildren, I'd buy one for them, not question. My wife will > undoubtedly buy one, regardless of my 'what for???' protests. And if I > somehow manage to get out of paying for it, she'll persuade her work to buy > a couple. > > Some think that the Flash decision is wrong, but really all they are > reflecting is the fact that they themselves couldn't make it work because of > all their own sediment. > > Whether it's right or wrong isn't anywhere near as important as whether > Steve can continue to make money without Flash, and I, and I'm sure most on > this List, deep down, believe he can. Steve knows the market, knows how to > spin things, knows where he's headed, knows the steps to get there, knows > what life is like with Flash, and has a good handle on what life will be > like without Flash, and it is he who has chosen the time to pull the plug. > > The Future will shortly be History repeating itself. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon May 3 11:26:50 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 08:26:50 -0700 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: References: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Remembering the dark days in the 90s when I had to defend my use of the Mac platform at work every day, seeing this comment on a CNN story today made me smile...... "If you are going to use Apple news to report tech, where is the PC news? I have never seen any. When you do cover it to "seem" unbiased, who will you choose, Sony Viao, Dell, HP, Toshiba? So many to choose from." On 3 May 2010 08:21, David Bovill wrote: > Yes - I hope it ramps things up. > > On 3 May 2010 15:34, Lynn Fredricks wrote: > > > > Is this true ? > > > http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJ > > > djFoLD5vBSkguGO > > > > I hope you all don't mind my splitting this topic away from the others. > > > > If this is true, it may actually bring about some desirable changes. > While > > a > > few squeaking developers may not have any impact on the state of > > Revolution-on-iPhone/iPad, this sort of thing can have "shareholder > value" > > consequences. > > > > I think Steve Jobs underestimated developer reaction in the age of the > internet and open source - he can't get away with the same sort of things > quite as easily as companies could last century. I also doubt he will take > very well to the sudden realization that he has turned from underdog > fighting the cause of good design, to a one-man-band lock-in merchant in > the > eyes of quite so many young developers. > > RunRev needs all of this + the anti-trust threat to make sure revMobile on > the iPhone does not fall out of this as collateral damage - the more > pressure the more reason Apple will have to negotiate exceptions. > Especially > in Runrev can offer some technological features that are specific to the > iPhone that CS5 does not offer? Google must be loving this. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon May 3 11:52:31 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:52:31 -0600 Subject: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost) In-Reply-To: <4BDEB8BF.2010204@gmail.com> References: <4BDEB8BF.2010204@gmail.com> Message-ID: On May 3, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > I am reposting this as it seems to have got lost > amongst the recent cruft. It actually concerns > an aspect of RunRev programming! You should know better; this is the "Rant and Rave About All Things Peripherally Related to Rev" list. What you want is the "How to Use Revolution" list. ;-/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Yesterday I wrote: > ----------------------------------------------------- > > Recently I had a slightly worrying post from a chap > attempting to use my Devawriter on a computer > running Windows Vista. > > The problem is that when Devawriter calls a Unicode > character that is not meant to move the cursor/insert place > forward, merely print something either above or beneath > the preceding character it does not; while printing the > character it also moves the insert forward so that > everything comes out incorrectly. > > I tried to duplicate this problem on Mac and Windows XP > (not having access to Vista) and was unable to. Luckily > this chap managed to get hold of a machine running XP > and has had no further problems. > > I would be extremely grateful if anybody has any ideas > and/or advice regarding this problem, as it is a real > problem. Obviously Vista does not "play ball" with > Unicode fonts in RunRev in quite the same way that > Mac and XP do. Odd that you just ran into this with Win 7. Because I just noticed exactly the same problem in Snow Leopard. I have a stack that lists Russian vocabulary words, which has an option of showing the stressed syllables using one of these "overstrike" Unicode characters. Specifically, I use an acute accent from the unicode 03 section (Diacriticals, Greek, Coptic), character 0x301, or decimal 769. It has the effect of placing the accent over the previous character. But suddenly, in Snow Leopard, what has worked perfectly in Leopard and earlier and Win XP now places the accent over the *following* character, which sounds just like what your Win 7 user is experiencing. So far this is just another data point that may help you figure out what's going on. I haven't come up with a solution yet. I do have a hunch, though. I wonder if both SnoLeo and Win 7 have "fixed" something in their unicode engines which slightly breaks Rev's unicode implementation. I'll let you know if I figure anything out. Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com Mon May 3 11:54:32 2010 From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 17:54:32 +0200 Subject: No-asci chars from the on-rev CGI In-Reply-To: <4BC719E3.90803@fourthworld.com> References: <4BC719E3.90803@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: I am still fighting with the NO-ASCI chars. Even if I encodeBase64 the data, if I connect to the CGI from a web-plugin using Windows platform , I get stange chars. >From exactly the same CGI, and using the same revlet, from MAC i get the correct chars with accent (i.e. ? ? ? ) and from windows i get some strange chars (i.e. ^???) . Any clue for a solution? On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > paolo mazza wrote: > > I am facing a problem sending NO-ASCI chars with the rev CGI ( i. e. put >> "????" ) to a Rev application. >> >> When I receive a string containing chars with accent (i.e. ????) from the >> >> Revolution CGI , I get strange chars. >> >> Example: >> >> put "????" >> >> >> I receive: "^:'" >> >> How can I fix this? >> > > Try running the data through base64Encode when sending, and base64Decode on > the receiving end. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 3 12:10:55 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 19:10:55 +0300 Subject: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost) In-Reply-To: References: <4BDEB8BF.2010204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BDEF58F.8050905@gmail.com> On 03/05/2010 18:52, Devin Asay wrote: > On May 3, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> I am reposting this as it seems to have got lost >> amongst the recent cruft. It actually concerns >> an aspect of RunRev programming! > You should know better; this is the "Rant and Rave About All Things Peripherally Related to Rev" list. What you want is the "How to Use Revolution" list. ;-/ >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> Yesterday I wrote: >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> >> Recently I had a slightly worrying post from a chap >> attempting to use my Devawriter on a computer >> running Windows Vista. >> >> The problem is that when Devawriter calls a Unicode >> character that is not meant to move the cursor/insert place >> forward, merely print something either above or beneath >> the preceding character it does not; while printing the >> character it also moves the insert forward so that >> everything comes out incorrectly. >> >> I tried to duplicate this problem on Mac and Windows XP >> (not having access to Vista) and was unable to. Luckily >> this chap managed to get hold of a machine running XP >> and has had no further problems. >> >> I would be extremely grateful if anybody has any ideas >> and/or advice regarding this problem, as it is a real >> problem. Obviously Vista does not "play ball" with >> Unicode fonts in RunRev in quite the same way that >> Mac and XP do. > Odd that you just ran into this with Win 7. Because I just noticed exactly the same problem in Snow Leopard. I have a stack that lists Russian vocabulary words, which has an option of showing the stressed syllables using one of these "overstrike" Unicode characters. Specifically, I use an acute accent from the unicode 03 section (Diacriticals, Greek, Coptic), character 0x301, or decimal 769. It has the effect of placing the accent over the previous character. > > But suddenly, in Snow Leopard, what has worked perfectly in Leopard and earlier and Win XP now places the accent over the *following* character, which sounds just like what your Win 7 user is experiencing. > > So far this is just another data point that may help you figure out what's going on. I haven't come up with a solution yet. I do have a hunch, though. I wonder if both SnoLeo and Win 7 have "fixed" something in their unicode engines which slightly breaks Rev's unicode implementation. > > I'll let you know if I figure anything out. > > Regards, > > Devin > > Thank you very much. The problem was spotted with Vista; I have had no feedback from a Win 7 user. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 3 12:16:16 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 19:16:16 +0300 Subject: No-asci chars from the on-rev CGI In-Reply-To: References: <4BC719E3.90803@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4BDEF6D0.8070700@gmail.com> Probably time to start using Unicode: set the useUnicode to true put uniencode("????") into RUS set the unicodeText of fld "PLACEWHERE" to RUS or encode each of those Cyrillic letters via their Unicode call numbers: set the unicodeText of fld "PLACEWHERE" to (numToChar(XXXXX) & numToChar(ZZZZZ) and so on where 'XXXXX' and 'ZZZZZ' are the DECIMAL Unicode call numbers of your characters. On 03/05/2010 18:54, paolo mazza wrote: > I am still fighting with the NO-ASCI chars. Even if I encodeBase64 the > data, if I connect to the CGI from a web-plugin using Windows platform , I > get stange chars. > > > From exactly the same CGI, and using the same revlet, from MAC i get the > correct chars with accent (i.e. ? ? ? ) and from windows i get some strange > chars (i.e. ^???) . > > Any clue for a solution? > > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: > >> paolo mazza wrote: >> >> I am facing a problem sending NO-ASCI chars with the rev CGI ( i. e. put >>> "????" ) to a Rev application. >>> >>> When I receive a string containing chars with accent (i.e. ????) from the >>> >>> Revolution CGI , I get strange chars. >>> >>> Example: >>> >>> put "????" >>> >>> >>> I receive: "^:'" >>> >>> How can I fix this? >>> >> Try running the data through base64Encode when sending, and base64Decode on >> the receiving end. >> From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 12:21:21 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 11:21:21 -0500 Subject: No-asci chars from the on-rev CGI In-Reply-To: References: <4BC719E3.90803@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4BDEF801.3030109@hyperactivesw.com> paolo mazza wrote: > I am still fighting with the NO-ASCI chars. Even if I encodeBase64 the > data, if I connect to the CGI from a web-plugin using Windows platform , I > get stange chars. > >>From exactly the same CGI, and using the same revlet, from MAC i get the > correct chars with accent (i.e. ? ? ? ) and from windows i get some strange > chars (i.e. ^???) . > > Any clue for a solution? I'm not sure if it will help, but it sounds like you are affected by the different character sets that Windows and Mac use. Accented characters are at different locations in the font tables on each OS. You could try using macToISO() or isoToMac() to convert the characters before sending to the CGI. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 12:24:18 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 11:24:18 -0500 Subject: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition In-Reply-To: References: <20100503054713.KWDQ29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> <043E6A83-A3B9-4182-800B-F93914CF4CC3@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <4BDEF8B2.2080409@hyperactivesw.com> Andre Garzia wrote: > > PS: This message has an RCR of 2, so I've been given a Bug to solve, but > since QA center is down, I am yet to know which one. It's back up again, so get to work. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 12:25:06 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 11:25:06 -0500 Subject: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip In-Reply-To: <000f01caea8d$70bb93b0$5232bb10$@de> References: <000f01caea8d$70bb93b0$5232bb10$@de> Message-ID: <4BDEF8E2.8070508@hyperactivesw.com> Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > still struggeling with keeping the locked flag of a file when zipping and > unzipping. Have you tried the rev zip external? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From randall at randallreetz.com Mon May 3 12:47:29 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:47:29 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100503164729.OIPA23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Wow. You have a knack for pre-shaping a question to extract the exact result you are seeking, and then way way way over reading the complete lack of participation in your stacked "survey" to mean that the list agrees with your pre-spun conclusion. Your "survey" was set up as a trap and everyone who read it knew it, thus your zero response participation. Too bad the soviet union doesn't exist any more, they could use a pollster like you. Even had you asked the dangerous question, Can "god" make mistakes? I think you would have had some data submitted. The frustration most of us are feeling in our guts has only been inflamed by this latest apple announcement. The frustration is the obvious and steady slipping away from general purpose computing as it is replaced by a media consumption and gaming platform in the form of a slick appliance. For all of its "touchy" input fluidity, we know it isn't designed for creativity of engineering. Nobody is using an ipad or iphone to develop ipad or iphone apps or operating systems. I worry, as I am sure others do, that apple's market supported emphasis on consumption centered devices means a general drifting away from the go it your own freedom and power a good general purpose computer allows. No one could have designed the ipad on an ipad. Would never have happened. The trend seems to point to a future for apple that looks more like General Electric. A place to buy pre-built stuff more than a place to buy tools with which to invent the future. Am I missing something, will tools be written for multi-touch environments such that we all willingly and happily walk away from our keyboards and pixel perfect pointing devices? Or is the growing dread a worthy indicator that something big is shifting and that it will be harder and harder to find open ended "creativity machinery"? I think of the user-programmer revolution that smalltalk and hypercard made possible and how much more powerful the macintosh felt as a result. And despite the gold rush motivations we might feel when we read of a kid in iowa who made a million dollars in a month selling a little app, we wonder if apple is making so much money on this consumption machine model that they will completely abandon those of us who think computing is about creativity and open ended creativity at that. I want to see teens on the train building stuff not slaying fake dragons or scheming an encounter with a facebook friend's facebook friend. I want that the open-ended creative option available to every teen, not just the hyper smart hyper nerdy. Is it slipping away? As for jobs. He is great at finding the greed in consumers. But unchecked, that greed seeking is only made more insidious by the amazingly designed products they release to us. Is the ipad so slick to use that we forget our need to create? Are those of us on the development end so motivated by many that we forget our obligation to the future of society? Microsoft released a video demo of a hinged two screened touch slate. For all of its clumsy interface (they are trying) it excites me none the less simply because I can imagine actually getting something done on the thing, building stuff. Not FOR it, but ON it... -----Original Message----- From: Kay C Lan Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:34 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as being more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather long posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but in the end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - although I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, and some of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's right or wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains us, that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than [your name here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our own prejudices, failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and lack of confidence. I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. If I were running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent on how to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I listened to everyone on this List and added all the bells and whistles it's critics are complaining about. It would be a failure. [The entire original message is not included] From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 12:49:31 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 11:49:31 -0500 Subject: Printing in Windows In-Reply-To: <96F2469FEEFE42568333090C6C679652@Home> References: <20100503041432.6375228856B@mail.runrev.com> <96F2469FEEFE42568333090C6C679652@Home> Message-ID: <4BDEFE9B.50209@hyperactivesw.com> Steve King wrote: > Hi Jacqueline > > Yes, the Printer libraries are included in the standalone build, I've let > Rev sort out libraries itself and also tried manually including. This has no > effect though Didn't really think it would, since your script doesn't use the "rev-" printing commands. You could probably omit that library without any consequences. > > Code is : > > on mouseUp > > --answer printer (just me experimenting) > --answer page setup (Just me experimenting) > get the PrintPaperOrientation > Put it into Old_Orientation > Set the PrintPaperOrientation to "Landscape" > > > set the printmargins to 72,30,72,30 > Set the PrintScale to 0.75 > > Set the LockScreen to True > > set the visible of group "TAB" to false > Set the visible of button "Print" to false > > Print this card > > set the visible of group "TAB" to True > Set the visible of button "Print" to True > Set the LockScreen to False > > set the visible of fld "Printing" to True > -- This is just a dummy to the user while I wait 2 seconds > wait for 2 seconds > set the visible of fld "Printing" to False > Set the PrintPaperOrientation to Old_Orientation > > end mouseUp This looks fine to me, but the docs do mention that the orientation won't change until "open printing" is called. Theoretically the "print card" command should do that behind the scenes, which makes me wonder why it works in the IDE but not in your standalone. But on the off chance that's what's wrong, try substituting your "print this card" line with this: open printing print this card close printing That may give the engine the wake-up it needs. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon May 3 12:51:37 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:51:37 -0600 Subject: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost) In-Reply-To: <4BDEF58F.8050905@gmail.com> References: <4BDEB8BF.2010204@gmail.com> <4BDEF58F.8050905@gmail.com> Message-ID: On May 3, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> > Thank you very much. The problem was spotted with Vista; I have had no > feedback from a Win 7 user. Sorry. My mistake. Of course I knew you said Vista, but we're on the brink of a pending changeover to Win 7 in our Windows labs and I'm afraid I have 7 on the brain. :-p But that doesn't change the issue, does it? There may have been some change in the way both the Mac and Windows OS handle Unicode, which has rippled back into Rev's engine. Do you know if any other of your Devawriter users are on SnoLeo, Vista or Win 7. If so, are they seeing the same issues? Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 13:06:50 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 12:06:50 -0500 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <075B368B-4C74-4169-A01E-69E742C35CBD@nosirrah.com> References: <20100502170004.25780288400@mail.runrev.com> <075B368B-4C74-4169-A01E-69E742C35CBD@nosirrah.com> Message-ID: <4BDF02AA.6010202@hyperactivesw.com> Graham & Heather Harrison wrote: > Whether ssMacWindows has a problem with rev 4.0.0, or Mac OS X 10.6.3 > I can't say, and I have not found a way to contact Shao Sean; there > is no link on his web site. Can anyone help me with contact > information, or who best to ask at Rev? She reads this list so you've probably done the right thing by asking here. > > Jacque, you said that externals were difficult, and that there is a > (steep) learning curve for rev. Well, I said I it wasn't *that* hard, but not something I'd jump into right off while still learning Rev basics. > That is proving true for me because > I am using the latest version of rev, on the latest Mac OS X. I am > finding that the documentation, examples and lessons are written for > older OS's and older rev's. In fact I would not be surprised if was > easier to learn rev on a G5 PPC running Tiger (or Leopard perhaps), > and a previous release of rev. I don't think so. As far as I know, nothing's changed in the way externals work in years. There have been some new ways of forcing them to load ("new" as of a few years ago,) but the underlying principle of it is the same as always: externals only load when a stack is first opened, and the path to the external must be correct. Now how you manage that can be done several ways, from simple to complex, but they all do the same thing in the end. > But putting that aside, I have long > held the opinion that you can't know a program properly until you try > to fix it when it goes wrong, so this has been an excellent learning > experience, and the curve has flattened out a > tad. That's good. To me, it seems a little backwards, like learning addition by figuring out multiplication, but I guess everyone has their own method. I'd have done it the other direction. To use externals it's good to have some basic info under your belt about Rev's messaging order, default directories, destroystack behavior, how unopened stacks are held in memory (or not), relative and absolute file paths, and so forth. I haven't used the ssMacWindows external yet but I'll try it just to see what you've been up against. I am fairly certain it can't be much different than any of the others, since there's really only one way to load an external in spite of the several methods you can take to get there. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From shani.runrev at gmail.com Mon May 3 13:14:02 2010 From: shani.runrev at gmail.com (Shani) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 19:14:02 +0200 Subject: if message is "XYZ" then do next step (not working)? Message-ID: Hi, I receive a message through String that "XYZ reached at goal". When I try this But this command not work where as the second command work 1. if pResult is "XYZ reached at goal" then click at the loc of btn "StartGoal" end if This command works. 2. if pResult is empty then click at the loc of btn "StartGame" end if pResut in which I use for displaying the string. Regards, SHANI From st.king42 at ntlworld.com Mon May 3 13:14:45 2010 From: st.king42 at ntlworld.com (Steve King) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 18:14:45 +0100 Subject: problems with Tabbed Panels In-Reply-To: <20100503145417.4BC11288639@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100503145417.4BC11288639@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <564D4B6A63FA4A7AA1BC6387165E81AC@Home> HI Jacqueline Unfortunately, I had already done it by creating a blank new card from one of the 'good' ones and then copying the objects over. Works fine now. However, this is really good to know - much easier than the way I did it :-) Thanks for the help Cheers Steve Steve King wrote: >>... I suspect If I delete the offending cards and regenerate new cards all >> will be well now. >You don't really need to generate new cards. Just choose one card's >group as the one you want to share. Delete the duplicate group on each >of the other cards. Then choose "place group" from the Object menu, and >the shared one will appear on the card. >-- >Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com >HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bill at fmpsolutions.com Mon May 3 13:19:40 2010 From: bill at fmpsolutions.com (William Roger Moseid) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:19:40 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issueing Message-ID: <4A571A0B99D04E598C3BCD567007D7E1@BillPC> Jerry's middle name might be "Thor" as it seems he has found out how to make "The Hammer". Meaning, you beat 'em by joining 'em. Uh, that is, stacking up an overwhelming CheckMate. Best, William From st.king42 at ntlworld.com Mon May 3 13:21:14 2010 From: st.king42 at ntlworld.com (Steve King) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 18:21:14 +0100 Subject: Problems with Windows Print orientation In-Reply-To: <20100503170005.262E72884CF@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100503170005.262E72884CF@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi Jacqueline Good idea, but this didn't seem to work either. I did also try deleting the last reset of the orientation (in the past I have had problems with Rev racing on before Windows had caught up...) but no different, so it's not that. Temprorarily I have adjusted scaling to fit on a portrait. Will have to think on it a bit more Thanks steve Steve King wrote: > Hi Jacqueline > > Yes, the Printer libraries are included in the standalone build, I've let > Rev sort out libraries itself and also tried manually including. This has no > effect though Didn't really think it would, since your script doesn't use the "rev-" printing commands. You could probably omit that library without any consequences. > > Code is : > > on mouseUp > > --answer printer (just me experimenting) > --answer page setup (Just me experimenting) > get the PrintPaperOrientation > Put it into Old_Orientation > Set the PrintPaperOrientation to "Landscape" > > > set the printmargins to 72,30,72,30 > Set the PrintScale to 0.75 > > Set the LockScreen to True > > set the visible of group "TAB" to false > Set the visible of button "Print" to false > > Print this card > > set the visible of group "TAB" to True > Set the visible of button "Print" to True > Set the LockScreen to False > > set the visible of fld "Printing" to True > -- This is just a dummy to the user while I wait 2 seconds > wait for 2 seconds > set the visible of fld "Printing" to False > Set the PrintPaperOrientation to Old_Orientation > > end mouseUp This looks fine to me, but the docs do mention that the orientation won't change until "open printing" is called. Theoretically the "print card" command should do that behind the scenes, which makes me wonder why it works in the IDE but not in your standalone. But on the off chance that's what's wrong, try substituting your "print this card" line with this: open printing print this card close printing That may give the engine the wake-up it needs. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From DunbarX at aol.com Mon May 3 13:27:26 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:27:26 EDT Subject: if message is "XYZ" then do next step (not working)? Message-ID: <1e32b.7db6c0dc.3910617e@aol.com> Your handler works for me. If you step through the script, where does it not go wrong? Sometimes in debugging I will rewrite even simple "if/then" statements in their expanded form: if this then dotThat end if Instead of: if this then doThat. Because you can place a breakpoint at the "doThat" line to see if the condition is being tested correctly. If you never reach that line, you can find the problem more quickly. I think it is something simple, like a typo. Craig Newman From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 3 13:27:26 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 20:27:26 +0300 Subject: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost) In-Reply-To: References: <4BDEB8BF.2010204@gmail.com> <4BDEF58F.8050905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BDF077E.9070300@gmail.com> On 03/05/2010 19:51, Devin Asay wrote: > On May 3, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> Thank you very much. The problem was spotted with Vista; I have had no >> feedback from a Win 7 user. > Sorry. My mistake. Of course I knew you said Vista, but we're on the brink of a pending changeover to Win 7 in our Windows labs and I'm afraid I have 7 on the brain. :-p > > But that doesn't change the issue, does it? There may have been some change in the way both the Mac and Windows OS handle Unicode, which has rippled back into Rev's engine. > > Do you know if any other of your Devawriter users are on SnoLeo, Vista or Win 7. If so, are they seeing the same issues? > > Devin > > I do know that various versions of Devawriter have been downloaded at least 7000 times; how many of those are repeats I have no way of knowing; but considering at one time I was popping out upgrades every 2 days probably quite a few. I am absolutely sure the vast majority of those downloads were by people who were curious to see a 'funny' Indian writing system rather than having an interest in Sanskrit as such (let's face it, it is not everybody's cup of tea). Feedback has been thin; a few nice notes from Profs of Sanskrit who, while being experts at Sanskrit are probably not well-versed in computers. The chap using Vista is the first corresponding critic I have had, and he has proven most informative and helpful (especially as he is encoding a fairly large collection of his grandfather's Sanskrit poems, so knows what he is doing with the language as well as feeling reasonably comfortable with a PC). Initially there was some odd feedback on versiontracker: "I tried converting the Font from PC to Mac TTF but does not work for me! OS: Snow Leopard 10.6.2 " "Yes, I had the same issue. I downloaded the font and Devawriter would not recognize it. I assume it's because of Snow Leopards new font requirements. So, I converted the font from windows ttf to mac ttf and now it works." they are both from Snow Leopard users; whether they got as far as the Vista chap I don't know: I offered off-line correspondence to these 2 and have had nothing back. From chipp at chipp.com Mon May 3 13:32:04 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 12:32:04 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: While, there is certainly nothing wrong with deifying Stevie for yourself, please don't expect us to follow your self serving logic. Fact is, Steve's already got himself in some hot water over his recent draconian practices: (scroll to 1:20 and watch from there.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Jsa7su-jI&feature=youtube_gdata On Monday, May 3, 2010, Kay C Lan wrote: > Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I > expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as being > more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. > > And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather long > posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but in the > end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - although > I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) > > So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, and some > of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's right or > wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains us, > that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than [your name > here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) > > And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our own > prejudices, ?failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and lack of > confidence. > > I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. If I were > running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no > confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent on how > to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I > listened to everyone on this List and added all the bells and whistles it's > critics are complaining about. It would be a failure. > > But in Steve's hands I know it will be a success. I've been blown away by > what some people have dreamt up for the thing. After seeing this: > > Alice In Wonderland - iPad eBook? > > If I had grandchildren, I'd buy one for them, not question. My wife will > undoubtedly buy one, regardless of my 'what for???' protests. And if I > somehow manage to get out of paying for it, she'll persuade her work to buy > a couple. > > Some think that the Flash decision is wrong, but really all they are > reflecting is the fact that they themselves couldn't make it work because of > all their own sediment. > > Whether it's right or wrong isn't anywhere near as important as whether > Steve can continue to make money without Flash, and I, and I'm sure most on > this List, deep down, believe he can. Steve knows the market, knows how to > spin things, knows where he's headed, knows the steps to get there, knows > what life is like with Flash, and has a good handle on what life will be > like without Flash, and it is he who has chosen the time to pull the plug. > > The Future will shortly be History repeating itself. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Mon May 3 13:40:01 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:40:01 -0700 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <4BDF02AA.6010202@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: > From: J. Landman Gay > > I don't think so. As far as I know, nothing's changed in the way > externals work in years. There have been some new ways of forcing them > to load ("new" as of a few years ago,) but the underlying principle of > it is the same as always: externals only load when a stack is first > opened, and the path to the external must be correct. Now how you manage > that can be done several ways, from simple to complex, but they all do > the same thing in the end. I noticed a change when I moved to 3.5. Formerly, before building the standalones, I had to remove the dummy stack that contained the external from memory, or it wouldn't work when I started the standalone. Now I don't have to do that any more. I don't understand what's going on under the hood, but that made building standalones easier. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From jiml at netrin.com Mon May 3 13:43:01 2010 From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:43:01 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100503170005.262E72884CF@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100503170005.262E72884CF@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: JerryD wrote: > tRev Mac users will get first access to these new tools to which I now only allude. What a tease! Looking forward to it. Jim Lambert From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 13:50:38 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 12:50:38 -0500 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <075B368B-4C74-4169-A01E-69E742C35CBD@nosirrah.com> References: <20100502170004.25780288400@mail.runrev.com> <075B368B-4C74-4169-A01E-69E742C35CBD@nosirrah.com> Message-ID: <4BDF0CEE.6090206@hyperactivesw.com> Graham & Heather Harrison wrote: > Having exhausted all conceivable testing scenarios (including > suggestions from this list, available lessons and tutorials) to get > rev to recognise Shao Sean's ssMacWindows external, I was forced to > confront the Sherlock Holmesian alternative that the problem might > lie with ssMacWindows. Curiosity got the better of me and I tried it. It works fine for me, right out of the gate. In fact, it's very, very cool and I'm sorry I waited so long to look. Try this for now. This method will allow your test stack to use the external without having to go through all the hassle of installing it into the IDE. This method will not allow you to use the external in any other stack. It's just a way for you to see how externals load, which is really very simple: you provide a path to the external, which is stored in the "externals" property of the stack. When the stack next loads into RAM, the engine automatically checks to see if any externals are assigned, and if so, will load them. All the other rigmarole you've read about is just variations on this. They allow you to assign an external to a stack in the Rev IDE (making it available to all stacks you open,) or provide a relative path (so you can move the external and the engine will still find it) or allow you to load the external on demand (by opening a temp stack when you want the external to load.) We won't mess with any of that. Start simple. Open your test stack and do this: 1. Click the Inspector icon on the tool bar to open the stack inspector. Go to the External References pane of the inspector. 2. Click the little folder icon above the File Path field. A file dialog opens. 3. Find the ssMacWindows external on your hard drive (it can be anywhere) and select it. The hard-coded path to your external will go into the File Path field in the inspector. The external will fail if you ever move it or build a standalone for distribution (you'll need a relative path for that) but for now work with it this way. This is really all you need to do to load an external into a single stack; just assign it a file path. Make a button in your test stack and copy this handler into its script: on mouseUp ssSetWindowModified the windowID of this stack, true end mouseUp Make sure you include the "ss" part of the "ssSetWindowModified" command. (In one of your previous posts it was omitted.) Save your stack. Choose "Close and remove from memory" from the File menu. Since externals only load when a stack is first opened in RAM, you need to make sure it is fully closed and removed before re-opening it. Re-open the test stack. The external should now be available for use. Click the buton. A black dot should appear in the window's close button. If it does, the external is available and working. It worked immediately for me when I did the above. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From coiin at verizon.net Mon May 3 13:52:15 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:52:15 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <903F0F8A-5E1F-4340-984B-D79939ED56E7@verizon.net> On May 3, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Jsa7su-jI&feature=youtube_gdata Here's the good quality version for US viewers: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-28-2010/appholes From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 13:56:13 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 12:56:13 -0500 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDF0E3D.1000209@hyperactivesw.com> Paul D. DeRocco wrote: >> From: J. Landman Gay >> >> I don't think so. As far as I know, nothing's changed in the way >> externals work in years. There have been some new ways of forcing them >> to load ("new" as of a few years ago,) but the underlying principle of >> it is the same as always: externals only load when a stack is first >> opened, and the path to the external must be correct. Now how you manage >> that can be done several ways, from simple to complex, but they all do >> the same thing in the end. > > I noticed a change when I moved to 3.5. Formerly, before building the > standalones, I had to remove the dummy stack that contained the external > from memory, or it wouldn't work when I started the standalone. Now I don't > have to do that any more. I don't understand what's going on under the hood, > but that made building standalones easier. The dummy stack trick is just a clever work-around to allow you to load an external on demand. It isn't required. It sounds like what changed was the standalone builder rather than the way externals work, but I'm not sure either how that works under the hood. Sometimes I wish that dummy stack trick hadn't been announced. It's very handy when you need it for some reason in particular, but it causes a lot of confusion too. I never use it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon May 3 14:04:31 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 12:04:31 -0600 Subject: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost) In-Reply-To: <4BDF077E.9070300@gmail.com> References: <4BDEB8BF.2010204@gmail.com> <4BDEF58F.8050905@gmail.com> <4BDF077E.9070300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02EE1467-5A01-426C-A7A3-59698A90E1F3@byu.edu> On May 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 03/05/2010 19:51, Devin Asay wrote: >> Do you know if any other of your Devawriter users are on SnoLeo, Vista or Win 7. If so, are they seeing the same issues? >> > I do know that various versions of Devawriter have been downloaded at > least 7000 times; how many of those > are repeats I have no way of knowing; but considering at one time I was > popping out upgrades every 2 days > probably quite a few. I am absolutely sure the vast majority of those > downloads were by people who were > curious to see a 'funny' Indian writing system rather than having an > interest in Sanskrit as such (let's face > it, it is not everybody's cup of tea). > > Feedback has been thin; a few nice notes from Profs of Sanskrit who, > while being experts at Sanskrit are > probably not well-versed in computers. > > The chap using Vista is the first corresponding critic I have had, and > he has proven most informative and > helpful (especially as he is encoding a fairly large collection of his > grandfather's Sanskrit poems, so knows > what he is doing with the language as well as feeling reasonably > comfortable with a PC). > > Initially there was some odd feedback on versiontracker: > they are both from Snow Leopard users; whether they got as far as the > Vista chap I don't know: I offered > off-line correspondence to these 2 and have had nothing back. Interesting. I only recently switched to Snow Leopard. Out of curiosity I just downloaded Devawriter. (Beautifully done, by the way.) Unfortunately my knowledge of Sanskrit is nil, so I don't really know what I'm doing. However, I can report that Devawriter launched without a hitch. And I had no problem at all with the font; the Devanagari characters appear just as they are on the virtual keyboard. In addition, the vowel markings on the Vowels keyboard seem to insert themselves properly above or beneath the previous character. If you know exactly what problem your Vista user was, I'd like to try to duplicate it in SnoLeo. At the very least it might be possible to isolate it to Vista. Incidentally, what method are you using to "type" the unicode characters into the composition field? In my (much more static and rudimentary) Russian vocab tutor app, I resorted to using html unicode entities to "switch" accented characters off and on. Essentially I stored the original Cyrillic word lists as UTF8, with discrete acute accent chars as "place markers" for accented syllables. Something like this (hope the unicode comes through in email:) ????????? Then I would convert them to Unicode UTF 16 and store them in a field and grab the htmlText. After that I would do a straight replace of a ´ or a ´ with a ́, a unicode char that's supposed to overtype the preceding character. My code to switch accents on and off looks like this: put the HTMLText of fld pFldName into htmlholder replace "Lucida Grande" with "Geneva CY" in htmlholder if the hilite of btn "showstress" of cd "main" then replace "´" with "́" in htmlholder ## Could be conditionally deleted if want to turn accents off replace "´" with "́" in htmlholder else replace "´" with "" in htmlholder ## Could be conditionally deleted if want to turn accents off replace "´" with "" in htmlholder replace "́" with "" in htmlholder end if Clunky-looking, I know. But until Snow Leopard it has worked perfectly, overtyping the preceding Cyrillic char with the acute accent. In SnoLeo it instead places the accent over the following char. When I saw your post I wondered if both your and my issues have the same root cause. Anyway, hope this might jog something in your brain or mine that could lead to a fix. Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Mon May 3 14:11:24 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:11:24 -0700 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <4BDF0E3D.1000209@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: > From: J. Landman Gay > > > The dummy stack trick is just a clever work-around to allow you to load > an external on demand. It isn't required. It sounds like what changed > was the standalone builder rather than the way externals work, but I'm > not sure either how that works under the hood. > > Sometimes I wish that dummy stack trick hadn't been announced. It's very > handy when you need it for some reason in particular, but it causes a > lot of confusion too. I never use it. The reason I've been using it is that I'm building externals for Windows and OS X, and the name of the external file (the extension, actually) is different. This means I need to run a bit of Rev code to build the correct pathname, using ".dll" under Windows and ".bundle" under OS X. You can't do that if you make the pathname a static property of the main stack. Another way to do it is to build one external, then edit the property, and build the other. But that makes the process of building the external, something that one may do over and over, very tedious. I posted a feature suggestion in the forum that you be allowed to leave the extension off, and have the run-time library automatically add the extension appropriate to the platform when it loads the extension, so that this would all be unnecessary. Alternatively, the action of saving the standalone could supply the correct extension. Or, the stack could be given separate properties for the externals for different OSes, so you could set all of them differently. If you have a better way to deal with this in the present version, I'm all ears. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From chipp at chipp.com Mon May 3 14:24:28 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:24:28 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <903F0F8A-5E1F-4340-984B-D79939ED56E7@verizon.net> References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> <903F0F8A-5E1F-4340-984B-D79939ED56E7@verizon.net> Message-ID: Jerry, Guess there's not much I agree with you on this one. I suspect if you ask Richard Gaskin or other developers if their customers really care if their program is Carbon or Cocoa you'll just get a blank stare-- but I'm sure they all agree it works great for them. And Richard has an excellent article on why cross platform dev environments actually HELP Apple at: http://www.revjournal.com/blog.irv So, I would contend Apple shouldn't care what tools developers use to write for the Mac. But, if I'm wrong and you're right, then we all should start learning Xcode right now, because it's only a matter of time before Apple shuts itself off to any other development platform. No more "the computer for the rest of us." And you say, "So...is the Apple lock-down just? For justice we must go to Don Corleone, and he does not exist. So time to forget that and the karma you think Apple deserves for being evil." Wow, where to start? Certainly you aren't saying evil unabated by some regulation isn't evil? I hope not. Even so, there are strong rumors that Don Corleone does exist in the form of our own Justice department: http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2010/05/03/daily18.html On Monday, May 3, 2010, Jerry Daniels wrote: > I actually believe Apple HOPED the iPad and their overall initiative to reinvent computing would be a huge success. But I think they had concerns regarding how quickly it would sell beyond the Apple faithful...especially the reinvent computing part. Apple initially under-built the iPad in terms of units produced. That's why I say that. > > But this list is about Revolution. > > This post is about the Apple mobile platform lock-down as it affects Rev developers. If were Apple, I would have difficulty viewing Revolution as a good partner with whom to reinvent computing. Rev for the Mac does not take advantage of Cocoa and DOES seek to common-denominate. > > Rev may have plans to change all that with a new IDE, etc, but the field object is still incapable of independently aligned, chunk-addressable columns in spite of user demand and outrage for years. So color me skeptical and Apple even more so as regards Rev keeping up with the times. > > On the other hand, Revolution may regard Apple as a bad business partner for changing the rules after Rev created a splendid revMobile for the iPhone/iPad. Rev may have had it with Apple. I can understand that. > > So...is the Apple lock-down just? For justice we must go to Don Corleone, and he does not exist. So time to forget that and the karma you think Apple deserves for being evil. > > Is the lock-down for Apple mobile devices for real? Yes. > > Will the lock-down spread to OS X? Nominally, no. In reality, YES. The MacBook Touch (or whatever it's called) will run a locked-down variant of iPad OS. It just won't have the OS X moniker. > > Will Revolution have to embrace the Apple approach in order to follow it? Yes. > > Moments like this one present huge opportunity for a small, nimble, and creative company. There's a new wind blowing and Rev has the sails (engineering) to catch it. The sails just need re-rigging. The wind (market momentum) is there. Will they re-rig? > > Of this i can be certain: I will be sailing in those new waters with those new winds beneath my sails (and sales). I love developing and inventing tools. I love making money while I do it. I will be doing both with or without Revolution as we know it today. > > Is the emerging Apple mobile market worth the re-tooling I will need to do? > > I believe so. It has tremendous momentum. For a small company, latching onto a small growing market is the way to go. Also, I have to consider my own experience as an iPad user. > > Using an iPad makes using my MacBook Pro feel almost anachronistic. I reach for the screen, wait for words to spell themselves, but my Mac just sits there. Using Windows OS at this point seems, I hate to say it...clunky. I would never have said this before, and I say this to foreshadow, not to derogate. > > What new development tools will I be creating for myself and others in the coming weeks and months to exploit the Apple mobile platform momentum? > > I have been testing several concepts, and based on the proofs, have my sights set on some pretty exciting stuff. New approaches that will still seem familiar. I cannot say a whole lot more than that, right now. > > But I can say this: If you want to get involved in single language development for Mac, iPhone, iPad and whatever comes next, now would be a good time to get tRev, a Mac and an iPad if you don't already have them. tRev Mac users will get first access to these new tools to which I now only allude. > > More on this in the coming week. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: > http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch > > On May 3, 2010, at 3:34 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > >> Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I >> expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as being >> more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. >> >> And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather long >> posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but in the >> end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - although >> I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) >> >> So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, and some >> of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's right or >> wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains us, >> that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than [your name >> here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) >> >> And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our own >> prejudices, ?failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and lack of >> confidence. >> >> I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. If I were >> running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no >> confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent on how >> to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I >> listened to everyone on this List and added all the bells and whistles it's >> critics are complaining about. It would be a failure. >> >> But in Steve's hands I know it will be a success. I've been blown away by >> what some people have dreamt up for the thing. After seeing this: >> >> Alice In Wonderland - iPad eBook? >> >> If I had grandchildren, I'd buy one for them, not question. My wife will >> undoubtedly buy one, regardless of my 'what for???' protests. And if I >> somehow manage to get out of paying for it, she'll persuade her work to buy >> a couple. >> >> Some think that the Flash decision is wrong, but really all they are >> reflecting is the fact that they themselves couldn't make it work because of >> all their own sediment. >> >> Whether it's right or wrong isn't anywhere near as important as whether >> Steve can continue to make money without Flash, and I, and I'm sure most on >> this List, deep down, believe he can. Steve knows the market, knows how to >> spin things, knows where he's headed, knows the steps to get there, knows >> what life is like with Flash, and has a good handle on what life will be >> like without Flash, and it is he who has chosen the time to pull the plug. >> >> The Future will shortly be History repeating itself. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From david.bovill at gmail.com Mon May 3 14:30:46 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 19:30:46 +0100 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <0732E560-06A7-4CAD-B1E1-C1B320E76A45@randallreetz.com> References: <20100502194016.CUWL18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDDD759.50604@gmail.com> <0732E560-06A7-4CAD-B1E1-C1B320E76A45@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: On 2 May 2010 21:24, Randall Reetz wrote: > Is this the topic? Really? All you can come up with? Nasty childish > nitpicking? Yes emailing is dangerous while driving. I wrote that note at > a gas station while filling my tank. > I'd be careful replying to emails from a gas station in the middle of a flame-war ? From david.bovill at gmail.com Mon May 3 14:44:49 2010 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 19:44:49 +0100 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: OK - I went out and bought a tRev license and wait expectantly. On 3 May 2010 16:28, Jerry Daniels wrote: > > But I can say this: If you want to get involved in single language > development for Mac, iPhone, iPad and whatever comes next, now would be a > good time to get tRev, a Mac and an iPad if you don't already have them. > tRev Mac users will get first access to these new tools to which I now only > allude. > From shani.runrev at gmail.com Mon May 3 14:46:19 2010 From: shani.runrev at gmail.com (Shani) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 20:46:19 +0200 Subject: if message is "XYZ" then do next step (not working)? In-Reply-To: <1e32b.7db6c0dc.3910617e@aol.com> References: <1e32b.7db6c0dc.3910617e@aol.com> Message-ID: HI, thanks for your reply, I have tested But this work . if pResult is empty then click at the loc of btn "StartGame" end if where as this not work, I don't know why its command proper write error if pResult is "XYZ reached at goal" then click at the loc of btn "StartGoal" end if when I display the pResult answer pResult it display " XYZ reached at goal " Regards, SHani -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of DunbarX at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:27 PM To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: if message is "XYZ" then do next step (not working)? Your handler works for me. If you step through the script, where does it not go wrong? Sometimes in debugging I will rewrite even simple "if/then" statements in their expanded form: if this then dotThat end if Instead of: if this then doThat. Because you can place a breakpoint at the "doThat" line to see if the condition is being tested correctly. If you never reach that line, you can find the problem more quickly. I think it is something simple, like a typo. Craig Newman _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From th.douez at gmail.com Mon May 3 14:47:46 2010 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry D.) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 20:47:46 +0200 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <4BDF0E3D.1000209@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BDF0E3D.1000209@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Le 3 mai 2010 ? 19:56, J. Landman Gay a ?crit : > The dummy stack trick is just a clever work-around to allow you to load an external on demand. It isn't required. It sounds like what changed was the standalone builder rather than the way externals work, but I'm not sure either how that works under the hood. > > Sometimes I wish that dummy stack trick hadn't been announced. It's very handy when you need it for some reason in particular, but it causes a lot of confusion too. I never use it. It's a clever trick ( from Mark W. if I remember well ) when one is writing externals. This way one can set automatically to the dummy stack the path of the external builded in Xcode. Usually, for one external, we have few builds. the simplest case is one for debug and one for release. They are 2 differents files in your Xcode environment , and it's tricky to always be aware to upload the right one... But from the user's point of view, it's not that usefull, maybe a bit challenging. Concerning your recipie from the previous email, it works only in your context. Pass your stack and your external to someone, and you're stuck again ! That was why the lesson about "how to safely attach your external... " was made. ( useful only for those sharing stack + external associated with. ) From my little point of view, if the external property was relative to the path of the stack instead of the engine. it would be less troublesome.... My 2 french centimes Regards, Thierry From psahores at free.fr Mon May 3 15:11:02 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 21:11:02 +0200 Subject: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition In-Reply-To: References: <20100503054713.KWDQ29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> <043E6A83-A3B9-4182-800B-F93914CF4CC3@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: LOL :-) Le 3 mai 2010 ? 15:13, Andre Garzia a ?crit : > what is happening on my list :-( > > I stay away for a couple of days and all things break loose... tesc tesc > tesc... Now, I've just devised the perfect solution for this! > > Now, Revolution powered list monitor software will scan every email and > assign a "Revolution Content Rate" factor to it, if it has a high RCR > number, it will simply go thru, if its RCR is too low, then you will be > driven to the Quality Center and the system will request that you solve an > engine bug. If/When you solve it, then, your mail will go thru. > > The bugs will be assigned using a simple algorithm where the severity or age > of the bug is inversely proportional to the RCR value of the email. So that > if you rate quite low on RCR you will be given the most old powerful engine > bugs to solve. > > I hope you all understand that this is for the good of the community and > we'll benefit from it, if the low RCR rate continues like what I've been > seeing here, I grok that we'll solve all the engine bugs plus port the > engine to Haiku, Solaris (again), FreeBSD (again), Android (Android is the > new black) in about a week. > > If some user reaches ZERO KRCR, which stands for 0 Kelvin Revolution Content > Rate which is really absolute zero RCR, he will be given flight tickets to > Switzerland and a big dossie on the LHC and the task to prevent it from > destroying the world. If he ever solves all CERN bugs, we'll ship our hero > to SETI and then after that small taks, he'll go to Redmond to solve Windows > and throw chairs at Ballmer. > > PS: This message has an RCR of 2, so I've been given a Bug to solve, but > since QA center is down, I am yet to know which one. > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > >> >> On 3 May 2010, at 06:47, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >> >> Why don't you ask the guys at adobe if their content is really aware. >>> >> >> So your only response to someone taking the time to go through your email >> in a serious manner and discuss the topics included is to take a pot-shot >> and not respond to any of the points? >> >> Yep, put me down as another person who's putting your email address into >> the spam filter as a troll. >> >> Ian >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From johnpatten at mac.com Mon May 3 15:22:26 2010 From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 12:22:26 -0700 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? Message-ID: <2EF5A016-CB60-4E76-B177-26FE1DEA0616@mac.com> Hi All... I'm working on a little student utility that changes the text color and underlines the individual word in the target field as they hit the space bar. I'm wondering how I should handle passages of text that are surrounded by quotation marks? I was taking the text passage and stripping out the quotes to get the total number of words in the field. Then using that number and reducing it to target the specific words in the field to modify their text style. The quotation marks create a single word out of the phrase, and if I attempt to delete a quote and then add it back the total number of words in my variable is off. In any case, everything gets all wonky when there are quotes in the passage... Anyone done something similar? Thank you! John Patten From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon May 3 15:36:54 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:36:54 -0600 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: <2EF5A016-CB60-4E76-B177-26FE1DEA0616@mac.com> References: <2EF5A016-CB60-4E76-B177-26FE1DEA0616@mac.com> Message-ID: On May 3, 2010, at 1:22 PM, John Patten wrote: > Hi All... > > I'm working on a little student utility that changes the text color > and underlines the individual word in the target field as they hit the > space bar. I'm wondering how I should handle passages of text that are > surrounded by quotation marks? > > I was taking the text passage and stripping out the quotes to get the > total number of words in the field. Then using that number and > reducing it to target the specific words in the field to modify their > text style. > > The quotation marks create a single word out of the phrase, and if I > attempt to delete a quote and then add it back the total number of > words in my variable is off. In any case, everything gets all wonky > when there are quotes in the passage... John, You might try simply replacing the quotes with "curled" quotes, which Rev doesn't see as real quote marks. You'd have to account for cross-platform differences, however. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From chipp at altuit.com Mon May 3 15:49:07 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 14:49:07 -0500 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: References: <2EF5A016-CB60-4E76-B177-26FE1DEA0616@mac.com> Message-ID: Or, you could just check if the character is a quote and increment your counter justly. Seems to me the easiest way to do this. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 3, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Devin Asay wrote: > On May 3, 2010, at 1:22 PM, John Patten wrote: > >> Hi All... >> >> I'm working on a little student utility that changes the text color >> and underlines the individual word in the target field as they hit the >> space bar. I'm wondering how I should handle passages of text that are >> surrounded by quotation marks? >> >> I was taking the text passage and stripping out the quotes to get the >> total number of words in the field. Then using that number and >> reducing it to target the specific words in the field to modify their >> text style. >> >> The quotation marks create a single word out of the phrase, and if I >> attempt to delete a quote and then add it back the total number of >> words in my variable is off. In any case, everything gets all wonky >> when there are quotes in the passage... > > John, > > You might try simply replacing the quotes with "curled" quotes, which Rev doesn't see as real quote marks. You'd have to account for cross-platform differences, however. > > Devin > > > Devin Asay > Humanities Technology and Research Support Center > Brigham Young University > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pmbrig at gmail.com Mon May 3 16:18:20 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:18:20 -0400 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: <2EF5A016-CB60-4E76-B177-26FE1DEA0616@mac.com> References: <2EF5A016-CB60-4E76-B177-26FE1DEA0616@mac.com> Message-ID: <9460C48E-9CE2-42E5-9604-CABE7373CA96@gmail.com> I tried your approach and got bogged down, and finally cut the Gordian knot by avoiding the problem altogether. What I ended up doing was making sure that there are no true quotation marks in the text field -- use "smart quotes" instead. Open quote = numtochar(210) and close quote = numtochar(211). In my stack I use a rawkeydown handler to ensure that user-typed quotes are replaced with the appropriate smart quote. If the preceding character is in cr & space & tab or the char is the first char of the field then replace with numtochar(210) else replace with numtochar(211). (For imported text, process the text using the same rules before putting it into the field.) Then the word counts work properly and all you have to do is make sure that any colorization/formatting excludes an initial or trailing smart quote (looks better that way). The general problem here is that, contrary to all other computing contexts I know about, in Rev anything enclosed by true quotation marks is regarded by the engine as one word. This causes no end of problems for text manipulation (which I do a lot of). PITA. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On May 3, 2010, at 3:22 PM, John Patten wrote: > Hi All... > > I'm working on a little student utility that changes the text color > and underlines the individual word in the target field as they hit > the space bar. I'm wondering how I should handle passages of text > that are surrounded by quotation marks? > > I was taking the text passage and stripping out the quotes to get > the total number of words in the field. Then using that number and > reducing it to target the specific words in the field to modify > their text style. > > The quotation marks create a single word out of the phrase, and if I > attempt to delete a quote and then add it back the total number of > words in my variable is off. In any case, everything gets all wonky > when there are quotes in the passage... > > > Anyone done something similar? > > > Thank you! > > John Patten > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon May 3 16:36:58 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1272919018864-2124595.post@n4.nabble.com> "But I can say this: If you want to get involved in single language development for Mac, iPhone, iPad and whatever comes next, now would be a good time to get tRev, a Mac and an iPad if you don't already have them. tRev Mac users will get first access to these new tools to which I now only allude." That's really nice for others, but what I want to get involved in is single language development for Linux, and maybe Windows too. Not Mac, not iPhone, not iPad. Now that is what the promise of Rev was, develop on Linux, and if you want, compile for Windows too, but I think it may face choices that mean it can't be both that, and single language development for Apple stuff along the lines you speak of, at the same time. We are coming to a fork in the road. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2124595.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From randall at randallreetz.com Mon May 3 16:44:34 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:44:34 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100503204437.FALF18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Computers that process meaning won't "work all day to make the world a better place" any more or less than we (or anything else) do. But systems that know about the things they process have a substantial leg up on systems that don't. This isn't a complex concept. The execution of the design of such a system or its starting point is on the other hand very complex. If you are demanding that I show you how to build a moon rocket out of farm equipment before you will talk about going into space, then sorry buddy, you are simply and obviously only interested in avoiding the topic and or slandering my person. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Swindell Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:11 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Maybe, but I suspect Randall has some ideas that I'd really like to hear about. For the life of me, I have a hard time deciphering what they are. But I'd like to hear about them, in simplest terms, without ambiguity. Mark On May 2, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > As I read what Randall proposes, you won't "sit down at a computer." The computer will have enough knowledge of the world to work full-time making the world a better place. Every so often it will sit down with a human to explain what it has discovered and what the human can do to help. > > > --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Mark Swindell wrote: > >> From: Mark Swindell >> Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 5:58 PM >> Randall, >> >> What do you want to see software do? Please be [The entire original message is not included] From jim at d-film.com Mon May 3 16:55:55 2010 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:55:55 -0400 Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: <226050.45052.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <226050.45052.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It looks like a million bucks! On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > I'm just curious. What does that program that sold for two million dollars look like? From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 17:05:12 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 16:05:12 -0500 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: References: <4BDF0E3D.1000209@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BDF3A88.70608@hyperactivesw.com> Thierry, Paul, Thierry said: > Concerning your recipie from the previous email, it works only in your context. > Pass your stack and your external to someone, and you're stuck again ! Yes, I warned about that and mentioned that a relative file path would be necessary for portability. My example was very simple, just to show that the external did work and to get Graham started in the simplest way. Both of you have brought up the issue of testing externals, and that's one of the times that you really do need the temp stack method. Loading on demand repeatedly is required for that. (You're right that Mark Waddingham made it popular in his newsletter articles, though someone else first thought of it I think; Ken Ray maybe? I've forgotten.) Paul said: > I posted a feature suggestion in the forum that you be allowed to leave the > extension off, and have the run-time library automatically add the extension > appropriate to the platform when it loads the extension, so that this would > all be unnecessary. Originally, way back in the MC days, you could place both file paths (either relative or absolute) into the externals property and the engine would load the appropriate one for the current OS. At some point that stopped working in later MC versions, but that's what I'd really like to see restored. I used to be able to set the stack externals to this: foo.dll foo.bundle And then I could forget about it. When the stack opened on Mac, the bundle loaded; on Windows, the dll. In fact, you could put a whole list of mixed-OS externals in there and the engine would pick out the right ones and ignore the rest. I haven't tested this in years, maybe it does work that way again. If not, I wish it would. Thierry said: > From my little point of view, if the external property was relative to the path of > the stack instead of the engine. it would be less troublesome.... Yes, that would be ideal. My method for dealing with externals is pretty simple really. Since I don't write them and I only need to use them, I can get away with this: For development work, I load the external into the IDE so it's available. In the mainstack, I add this short handler and forget about it: on startup if the platform = "macos" then set the externals of this stack to "foo.bundle" -- or any relative path else set the externals of this stack to "foo.dll" end if end startup Startup is the only time you can set the externals of a stack and have it work. The handler will never trigger during development because the IDE gets the startup message. But when running as a standalone, the mainstack will get a startup message and the externals get set correctly. Then I just need to remember to put the external files in the correct relative location in the standalone folder before shipping. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mikekann at yahoo.com Mon May 3 17:08:03 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 14:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RevStore In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <204026.82691.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jim, Your remark reminds me when we were kayaking north of Seattle and a woman in our group said "I hope we see a ton of whales." Mike --- On Mon, 5/3/10, Jim Kanter wrote: > From: Jim Kanter > Subject: Re: RevStore > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 3:55 PM > It looks like a million bucks! > > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael Kann > wrote: > > I'm just curious. What does that program that sold for > two million dollars look like? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 17:29:45 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 16:29:45 -0500 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: <9460C48E-9CE2-42E5-9604-CABE7373CA96@gmail.com> References: <2EF5A016-CB60-4E76-B177-26FE1DEA0616@mac.com> <9460C48E-9CE2-42E5-9604-CABE7373CA96@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BDF4049.1040404@hyperactivesw.com> Peter Brigham MD wrote: > The general problem here is that, contrary to all other computing > contexts I know about, in Rev anything enclosed by true quotation marks > is regarded by the engine as one word. It's for HC compatibility, which worked the same way. You can often get around it like this: set the itemdelimiter to space put the number of items in fld 1 If you have carriage returns or tabs in the text, you'll probably need to replace them with spaces in a temporary variable first. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pmbrig at gmail.com Mon May 3 17:58:20 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 17:58:20 -0400 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: <4BDF4049.1040404@hyperactivesw.com> References: <2EF5A016-CB60-4E76-B177-26FE1DEA0616@mac.com> <9460C48E-9CE2-42E5-9604-CABE7373CA96@gmail.com> <4BDF4049.1040404@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <3460E5D1-6B40-4EDF-ACD9-C01C06B7BCFF@gmail.com> On May 3, 2010, at 5:29 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Peter Brigham MD wrote: > >> The general problem here is that, contrary to all other computing >> contexts I know about, in Rev anything enclosed by true quotation >> marks is regarded by the engine as one word. > > It's for HC compatibility, which worked the same way.... Yeah, and it was a PITA in HC too. :-) I think it's time to change this, given the low number of people who still need to convert HC stacks into Rev format. It's a vestigial appendage (oh, no! not appendices again!) that no longer has any up side. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From massung at gmail.com Mon May 3 18:03:51 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 17:03:51 -0500 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: <4BDF4049.1040404@hyperactivesw.com> References: <2EF5A016-CB60-4E76-B177-26FE1DEA0616@mac.com> <9460C48E-9CE2-42E5-9604-CABE7373CA96@gmail.com> <4BDF4049.1040404@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Just a thought that might be a lot more helpful... Given the context of this application, and the fact that you probably don't want the quotes (and other punctuation) to be highlighted/underlined, I'd just use a regular expression like so (untested): function getNextWord pText, pFrom local tStart, tEnd if matchChunk(char pFrom to -1 of pText, "([-A-Za-z0-9_]+)", tStart, tEnd) is false then return empty -- no more words end if add pFrom to tStart add pFrom to tEnd return tStart,tEnd end getNextWord And now you can use this function in succession for you spacebar routine... ## in the field... local sLastWord command highlightNextWord -- remove the underline from the last word if sLastWord is not empty then set the textStyle of char item 1 of sLastWord to item 2 of sLastWord of me to "normal" -- search for the next word from the last word's offset put getNextWord(me, item 2 of sLastWord + 1) into sLastWord else put getNextWord(me, 0) into sLastWord end if -- underline the next word if sLastWord is not empty then set the textStyle of char item 1 of sLastWord to item 2 of sLastWord of me to "underline" end if end highlightNextWord Jeff M. From crw at nosirrah.com Mon May 3 18:17:27 2010 From: crw at nosirrah.com (Graham & Heather Harrison) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 08:17:27 +1000 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <20100503194756.5992A288083@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100503194756.5992A288083@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <25F3F234-FD8F-45BC-97AD-C042AA7CFDD1@nosirrah.com> Jacque wrote: > on mouseUp > ssSetWindowModified the windowID of this stack, true > end mouseUp > > Make sure you include the "ss" part of the "ssSetWindowModified" command. (In one of your previous posts it was omitted.) > Well blow me down! If that doesn't bilge the barnacles. All this time I have been using code copied from the original revUp article, and not concentrating on the API. Changed my last test case and it worked immediately, just as EnhancedQT had. One of those times when, because there is a known difficulty, everyone assumes that it is the cause of the current problem. Well blow me down! From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 18:39:52 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 17:39:52 -0500 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <25F3F234-FD8F-45BC-97AD-C042AA7CFDD1@nosirrah.com> References: <20100503194756.5992A288083@mail.runrev.com> <25F3F234-FD8F-45BC-97AD-C042AA7CFDD1@nosirrah.com> Message-ID: <4BDF50B8.5060504@hyperactivesw.com> Graham & Heather Harrison wrote: > Well blow me down! If that doesn't bilge the barnacles. I've never heard that before! That's almost as good as "linguistic psychedelics" from the Thread That Shall Not Be Named. :) > One of those times when, because there is a known difficulty, > everyone assumes that it is the cause of the current problem. I'm guilty. I should have paid more attention to Occam's Razor. But look at the nice thread you started. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 18:40:51 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 17:40:51 -0500 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: <3460E5D1-6B40-4EDF-ACD9-C01C06B7BCFF@gmail.com> References: <2EF5A016-CB60-4E76-B177-26FE1DEA0616@mac.com> <9460C48E-9CE2-42E5-9604-CABE7373CA96@gmail.com> <4BDF4049.1040404@hyperactivesw.com> <3460E5D1-6B40-4EDF-ACD9-C01C06B7BCFF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BDF50F3.4010103@hyperactivesw.com> Peter Brigham MD wrote: > On May 3, 2010, at 5:29 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> Peter Brigham MD wrote: >> >>> The general problem here is that, contrary to all other computing >>> contexts I know about, in Rev anything enclosed by true quotation >>> marks is regarded by the engine as one word. >> >> It's for HC compatibility, which worked the same way.... > > Yeah, and it was a PITA in HC too. :-) I think it's time to change > this, given the low number of people who still need to convert HC stacks > into Rev format. It's a vestigial appendage (oh, no! not appendices > again!) that no longer has any up side. I'm inclined to agree. Put it in the QCC for us? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Mon May 3 18:52:34 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 15:52:34 -0700 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <4BDF3A88.70608@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: > From: J. Landman Gay > > Startup is the only time you can set the externals of a stack and have > it work. The handler will never trigger during development because the > IDE gets the startup message. But when running as a standalone, the > mainstack will get a startup message and the externals get set > correctly. Then I just need to remember to put the external files in the > correct relative location in the standalone folder before shipping. As someone who's just learned enough of Revolution to write one rather basic app, I'm having trouble understanding the documentation on the "startup" message. The docs mostly seem to be about U3 drives, which is irrelevant, but the example implies that in a non-U3 situation the mode parameter is empty. But then there's this: "If the application is opened with multiple stacks, the startup message is sent to the first stack opened." Does this mean to imply that something different happens if there's only one stack? If not, does it get sent before preOpenStack? Do I understand your example to mean that it happens before the externals are loaded? Does preOpenStack happen after the externals are loaded? If so, then it looks like I could simplify my code, and just do everything in the "startup" handler. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From michael.pease at Thomsonreuters.com Mon May 3 19:16:17 2010 From: michael.pease at Thomsonreuters.com (Michael) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 16:16:17 -0700 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: <4BDF50F3.4010103@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Hi: I'm inclined to disagree. I would vote to keep the current behavior. m On 5/3/10 3:40 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > I'm inclined to agree. Put it in the QCC for us? From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 19:19:09 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 18:19:09 -0500 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDF59ED.4090100@hyperactivesw.com> Paul D. DeRocco wrote: >> From: J. Landman Gay >> >> Startup is the only time you can set the externals of a stack and have >> it work. The handler will never trigger during development because the >> IDE gets the startup message. But when running as a standalone, the >> mainstack will get a startup message and the externals get set >> correctly. Then I just need to remember to put the external files in the >> correct relative location in the standalone folder before shipping. > > As someone who's just learned enough of Revolution to write one rather basic > app, I'm having trouble understanding the documentation on the "startup" > message. The docs mostly seem to be about U3 drives, which is irrelevant, > but the example implies that in a non-U3 situation the mode parameter is > empty. The mode parameter only applies to U3 apps. It isn't needed or used any other time, and was only added later on when Rev began supporting U3 builds. > But then there's this: "If the application is opened with multiple > stacks, the startup message is sent to the first stack opened." Does this > mean to imply that something different happens if there's only one stack? No. The first stack, even if it is the only one, gets the startup message. Startup is only sent once, immediately on launch, before any other messages or actions occur. It's the first thing that happens, before any stacks load. > If not, does it get sent before preOpenStack? Yes. Before everything. > Do I understand your example to > mean that it happens before the externals are loaded? Yup. Which is why it's the only time you can set externals, because no stacks are loaded yet. Startup is like ground zero. After that, the first stack loads (with its newly set externals) and by then it's too late to change its externals. > Does preOpenStack happen after the externals are loaded? Yes. > If so, then it looks like I could > simplify my code, and just do everything in the "startup" handler. That's what I do. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 3 19:26:52 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 18:26:52 -0500 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDF5BBC.2000300@hyperactivesw.com> Michael wrote: > Hi: I'm inclined to disagree. I would vote to keep the current behavior. m I could easily have overlooked some simple reason to retain it. How do you use it, generally? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Mon May 3 20:50:03 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 17:50:03 -0700 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <4BDF59ED.4090100@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: > From: J. Landman Gay > > > As someone who's just learned enough of Revolution to write one > rather basic > > app, I'm having trouble understanding the documentation on the "startup" > > message. The docs mostly seem to be about U3 drives, which is > irrelevant, > > but the example implies that in a non-U3 situation the mode parameter is > > empty. > > The mode parameter only applies to U3 apps. It isn't needed or used any > other time, and was only added later on when Rev began supporting > U3 builds. > > > But then there's this: "If the application is opened with multiple > > stacks, the startup message is sent to the first stack opened." > Does this > > mean to imply that something different happens if there's only > one stack? > > No. The first stack, even if it is the only one, gets the startup > message. Startup is only sent once, immediately on launch, before any > other messages or actions occur. It's the first thing that happens, > before any stacks load. > > > If not, does it get sent before preOpenStack? > > Yes. Before everything. > > > Do I understand your example to > > mean that it happens before the externals are loaded? > > Yup. Which is why it's the only time you can set externals, because no > stacks are loaded yet. Startup is like ground zero. After that, the > first stack loads (with its newly set externals) and by then it's too > late to change its externals. > > > Does preOpenStack happen after the externals are loaded? > > Yes. > > > If so, then it looks like I could > > simplify my code, and just do everything in the "startup" handler. > > That's what I do. :) Thanks. That makes my life a little easier. Perhaps they should hire you to write their docs. ;-) -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From crw at nosirrah.com Mon May 3 22:37:23 2010 From: crw at nosirrah.com (Graham & Heather Harrison) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 12:37:23 +1000 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <20100503194756.5992A288083@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100503194756.5992A288083@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Jacque wrote: > But look at the nice thread you started. Yes, it has been very informative? and civilised. Taking as much on board as I can, these would be my suggestions for someone still on the rev learning curve, who is working on one platform (probably true for most while learning), and wants to try an External. 1) Ignore whatever is in User Extensions in Preferences/Files & Memory. It will not affect you at all. 2) Put your platform External into the equivalent of ../Revolution Studio/4.0.0-gm-1/Externals 3) Update the Externals.txt file in the same folder to recognise your External. It is a one line addition. Follow the format of current lines. 4) Start up rev and start writing scripts referencing the external. Any new stack will automatically include the External. Old one's may need a save/restart. There is no need for any special code to recognise the External. Note: If you reference "externals" or "externalPackages" for "me" or "this stack", your new External will not appear. Under these circumstances I can't see why you would want to reference them anyway. They will appear, along with all the ones shipped with rev, if you reference "externals" or "externalPackages" for "stack home". By the time you need anything more complicated than this, you should be much more knowledgeable. From bvlahos at mac.com Mon May 3 22:48:18 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 19:48:18 -0700 Subject: What can an image object display? Message-ID: <02C95B60-2CD9-458E-9F2B-E77806D6428B@mac.com> I've looked in the docs but I don't see a complete listing of all the image types that the Rev image object can display. I think it can be png, jpeg, gif, animated gif but I'm sure there are more. Can someone point me to the list? I want to make an "answer file with type" dialog for all of the data types that can be displayed. Does anyone have a canned statement for it? Thanks, Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. From martyknapp at comcast.net Mon May 3 23:04:09 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 20:04:09 -0700 Subject: What can an image object display? In-Reply-To: <02C95B60-2CD9-458E-9F2B-E77806D6428B@mac.com> References: <02C95B60-2CD9-458E-9F2B-E77806D6428B@mac.com> Message-ID: <4BDF8EA9.7030603@comcast.net> Hey Bill , Looking in the dictionary under "import" list this: Importing a paint file creates an image object on the current card. The import command can import GIF, JPEG, PNG, BMP, XWD, XBM, XPM, or PBM, PGM, or PPM files. On Mac OS systems, PICT files can also be imported (but they cannot be displayed on Unix or Windows systems). Importing an EPS file creates an EPS object on the current card. -Marty Knapp > I've looked in the docs but I don't see a complete listing of all the image types that the Rev image object can display. I think it can be png, jpeg, gif, animated gif but I'm sure there are more. > > Can someone point me to the list? > > I want to make an "answer file with type" dialog for all of the data types that can be displayed. Does anyone have a canned statement for it? > > Thanks, > Bill Vlahos > _________________ > InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From randall at randallreetz.com Tue May 4 00:32:49 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 21:32:49 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100504043254.PHGY18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> I always thought it was smart that rev tied into flash. Allowed a path onto the web. Xtalk and flash share some deep object and widget similarities. But I am a bit confused as to how rev and flash are integrated. Anyone point me to a doc or web page or tube video that explains rev's flash integration? -----Original Message----- From: Colin Holgate Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:52 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On May 3, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Jsa7su-jI&feature=youtube_gdata Here's the good quality version for US viewers: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-28-2010/appholes _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue May 4 00:45:56 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 12:45:56 +0800 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Jsa7su-jI&feature=youtube_gdata Thanks Chipp for the link, and excellent video which I think nicely sums up exactly what I've been trying to say, but my English seems incapable of doing. Whilst many may deify Michael Schumacher, Roger Federer, Tiger Woods, Lee Kwan Yew, Valentino Rossi, Lance Armstrong, Michael Phelps, Mozart, Leonardo da Vinci and even Bill Gates and Steve Jobs; there are also those who are deeply critical of them - most likely due to some deep-seeded jealousy. I on the other hand appreciate that they are just mere mortals, inescapably capable of making mistakes, errors and wrong choices. Do those errors, misjudgement or mistakes define a person and destine them to forever failure. Will Tiger Woods never win another Masters because of his numerous indescretions; I think not. I try to look at track record, and assess overall long-term performance. What that video confirmed to me, is no matter how much vitriol, hatred and disgust the presenter heaped upon Steve Jobs, no matter how logical or factual the arguments, no matter how enthusiastically the audience agreed with everything he said; for reasons I can not explain and certainly do not understand, in the dying seconds the presented admitted his lust for the next Apple product. All I can conclude is, if one with such a wholly justifiable aversion to Steve's latest antics will still so obviously go on buying Apple products, then how much more so the sheep-like general consumer. I thought I'd effectively communicated that this isn't really about right or wrong decisions by Steve Jobs, nor is it about whether you and all the other critics are, most likely, correct about this single decision. This is simply about what will the buying public do due to this decision. Maybe instead of asking who do you think will make more money Steve + Apple - Flash or [yourname here] + Apple + Flash, I should have asked, if you had $1M to invest right now, and could only invest in Apple or Adobe, who would you pick? It's sad that Capitalism has been beaten and pummelled, and so misunderstood. PS Apple just announced it has sold 1 million iPads in 28 days PPS It took Apple almost 3 months to sell 1 million iPhones PPS Apple announces best non-holiday quarter ever, with revenues up 49 percent and profits up 90 percent PPPS Adobe stock dropped 2% after Steve Jobs' Thoughts on Flash PPPPS Adobe drop iPhone as corporate phone PPPPPS Adobe stock takes further hit after Microsoft announce IE9 will not support Flash [movies] From coiin at verizon.net Tue May 4 00:50:09 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 00:50:09 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100504043254.PHGY18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100504043254.PHGY18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: On May 4, 2010, at 12:32 AM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I always thought it was smart that rev tied into flash. Allowed a path onto the web. Xtalk and flash share some deep object and widget similarities. But I am a bit confused as to how rev and flash are integrated. Anyone point me to a doc or web page or tube video that explains rev's flash integration? > > Can you point to the message here that talked about Flash and Rev being integrated? The only connection between the two that I know of is that they are both victims of Apple changing the iPhone SDK agreement. From coiin at verizon.net Tue May 4 00:55:51 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 00:55:51 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On May 4, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > PPPPPS Adobe stock takes further hit after Microsoft announce IE9 will not > support Flash [movies] To correct this again, no version of any browser has ever supported Flash movies (meaning Sorenson Spark or On2 VP6 video). As Microsoft posted today, IE9 will continue to support plugins such as Flash and Silverlight, and the Flash plugin will continue to be able to play the older Flash video files. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue May 4 01:00:33 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:00:33 +0800 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100503164729.OIPA23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100503164729.OIPA23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > > As for jobs. He is great at finding the greed in consumers. > Ah thank you, thats what I was trying to say. Compared to anyone on this List, Jobs is much greater at finding the greed in consumers. Regardless of the mistakes he makes he makes along the way, the consumer will continue to vote with their wallet. You know it, I know it, and everyone on the List knows it. From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue May 4 01:13:10 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 22:13:10 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100504043254.PHGY18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: > I always thought it was smart that rev tied into flash. Allowed a path onto > the web. Perhaps you mean QuickTime. The only connection Rev ever had to Flash was through QT, which allowed basic playback of SWF files, but that was dropped around the release of v6 of QT. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From randall at randallreetz.com Tue May 4 01:17:56 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 22:17:56 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100504051759.NWYX29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Really, there is no use of flash in the rev source or output? At all? Where did I get that idea? How are rev stacks exported as executables on the iphone ipad platform? If they are converted at some point to C source then it would be entirely possible to set up a publication service that allows rev users to submit stacks formatted for the "iphad" (conformed byte code) and shoot them through the apple blessed IDE / compiler. No? Am I smoking something? Seems do-able. Randall -----Original Message----- From: Colin Holgate Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 9:50 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On May 4, 2010, at 12:32 AM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I always thought it was smart that rev tied into flash. Allowed a path onto the web. Xtalk and flash share some deep object and widget similarities. But I am a bit confused as to how rev and flash are integrated. Anyone point me to a doc or web page or tube video that explains rev's flash integration? > > Can you point to the message here that talked about Flash and Rev being integrated? The only connection between the two that I know of is that they are both victims of Apple changing the iPhone SDK agreement. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Tue May 4 01:20:13 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 22:20:13 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100504052015.PSTI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Yes, but greed has many faces. What people are greedy for is different than what they end up buying. This is do to the fact that the market never serves up the perfect product. People can only express their greed for products that exist. The one that most closely satisfies the deep inner needs of humans is the one that wins in the marketplace. People will pay 30k every 6 years for freedom over geographic distance (a car). 400k for freedom over atmospheric discomfort and public exposure (a house). What is the base fear or desire the iphad satisfies? Surely apple won't always own the only product that will meet that need. -----Original Message----- From: Kay C Lan Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:00 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > > As for jobs. He is great at finding the greed in consumers. > Ah thank you, thats what I was trying to say. Compared to anyone on this List, Jobs is much greater at finding the greed in consumers. Regardless of the mistakes he makes he makes along the way, the consumer will continue to vote with their wallet. You know it, I know it, and everyone on the List knows it. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue May 4 01:23:26 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:23:26 +0800 Subject: if message is "XYZ" then do next step (not working)? In-Reply-To: References: <1e32b.7db6c0dc.3910617e@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Shani, as Craig predicted, it's a typo. Your script says: if pResult is "XYZ reached at goal" then > and you say pResult =: " XYZ reached at goal " > notice there is a space both at the beginning and end of the actual result, but not so in the if test, i.e. "XYZ reached at goal" = " XYZ reached at goal " is false. HTH On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Shani wrote: > HI, thanks for your reply, > > I have tested > But this work . if pResult > is > empty then > click at the loc > of btn "StartGame" > end if > where as this not work, I don't know why > its command proper write error > > if pResult is "XYZ reached at > goal" then > click at the loc of btn > "StartGoal" > end if > > when I display the pResult > answer pResult > it display > " XYZ reached at goal " > > Regards, > SHani > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > DunbarX at aol.com > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:27 PM > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Subject: Re: if message is "XYZ" then do next step (not working)? > > Your handler works for me. > > If you step through the script, where does it not go wrong? Sometimes in > debugging I will rewrite even simple "if/then" statements in their expanded > form: > > if this then > dotThat > end if > > Instead of: if this then doThat. > > Because you can place a breakpoint at the "doThat" line to see if the > condition is being tested correctly. If you never reach that line, you can > find > the problem more quickly. > > I think it is something simple, like a typo. > > Craig Newman > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From psahores at free.fr Tue May 4 01:37:58 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:37:58 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <29E5E6FF-319E-4145-83E8-18AFEB816CF1@randallreetz.com> References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <29E5E6FF-319E-4145-83E8-18AFEB816CF1@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: <09143430-B914-4C3C-A1B8-B831F02522C8@free.fr> Le 2 mai 2010 ? 23:39, Randall Reetz a ?crit : > Semantics opens the door to the building of systems that "understand" the content they process. That is the promised second revolution in computation that really hasn't seen any practical light of day as of yet. Data mining really isn't semantically mindful, simply uses statistical reduction mechanisms to guess at the existence of the location of pattern ( a good first step but missing the grammatical hierarchy necessary to work towards a self optimized and domain independent ability to detect and represent salience in the stacked grammar that makes up any complex system. > > Such systems will need to work all of the time. ALL OF THE TIME! Only pausing momentarily to pay attention to our interactions as needed. Once they are running, these systems will subsume all of the manual activity we have been made to perform to this day. Think "fly by wire" for processing. Gone is the need to discreetly encode every single bit in exactly the only possible sequence. We simply wont be able to know what bits are being processed, who or what made them, and more importantly, we won't have to care. Clearly, the key way to 21st century's computing tasks. Thanks for this, Randall. Hope it will almost be read as an important contrib and gift... to common mind ;-) Best Regards, -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue May 4 01:50:44 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 22:50:44 -0700 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: References: <20100503194756.5992A288083@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <1241711874593.20100503225044@ahsoftware.net> Graham- OMG. Where did you get these ideas? Monday, May 3, 2010, 7:37:23 PM, you wrote: > 1) Ignore whatever is in User Extensions in Preferences/Files & > Memory. It will not affect you at all. No reason why it should. > 2) Put your platform External into the equivalent of > ../Revolution Studio/4.0.0-gm-1/Externals No. NoNoNoNo. Really. No. See below. > 3) Update the Externals.txt file in the same folder to recognise > your External. It is a one line addition. Follow the format of > current lines. Please don't do this. See below > 4) Start up rev and start writing scripts referencing the > external. Any new stack will automatically include the External. Old > one's may need a save/restart. There is no need for any special code > to recognise the External. Um. See below > Note: If you reference "externals" or "externalPackages" for "me" > or "this stack", your new External will not appear. Under these > circumstances I can't see why you would want to reference them > anyway. They will appear, along with all the ones shipped with rev, > if you reference "externals" or "externalPackages" for "stack home". There's a reason for that. If you stick your externals in the Externals directory of rev itself then the IDE will look in that directory when it's starting up and associate them with the home stack. The external libraries you use in this way will be available when you're in the confines of the IDE, but when you create a standalone you won't have them available. You'll have to associate them with the stack you're working on, the same way you would if you'd done this properly in the first place. Additionally, when and if you upgrade your copy of rev to a new version you'll have to go through all this again. The process you go through when you "set the externals of" your stack binds your stack to the external library and makes its commands and functions available to your stack and its substacks. You *do* get that through the IDE if you follow your steps above, but it's only temporary - you lose the binding once your stack is freed from the IDE. Try this in a button: on mouseUp answer file "where is the library file?" if it is not empty then set the externals of this stack to it save this stack revert end if end mouseUp -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue May 4 02:06:31 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 14:06:31 +0800 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <20100504052015.PSTI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100504052015.PSTI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > What is the base fear or desire the iphad satisfies? Surely apple won't > always own the only product that will meet that need. > > > Again you've hit the nail on the head. There is no base fear or desire that the iPad satisfies. Apple has never had the only product around, in fact far from it; there were PCs before the Mac, really cheap PCs before the iMac, mp3 players before the iPod, mobile phones before the iPhone, and tablet PCs before the iPad. Jobs just has an uncanny, some think unnatural, ability to persuade enough people (not everyone, not even the majority, in some cases a piddling insignificant percentage) that they need to open their wallet and outlay a premium on a device they don't need, that has functionality they didn't realise they couldn't live without. The ranking success of a company, the effectiveness of an entrepreneur, isn't measured by how stupid the consumer is, it's by how black the balance sheet is. Could Jobs make a mistake that could take Apple in to the red? Oh, absolutely. Within 1 quarter? Definitely. Could he turn all Howard Hughes? On the cards. Is he obnoxious? Undoudtedly. But IMO this current turmoil will not decline Apple's quarterly revenue, much less have a long term effect on their profitability. From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Tue May 4 02:07:52 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 23:07:52 -0700 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <4BDF59ED.4090100@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: > From: J. Landman Gay > > > If so, then it looks like I could > > simplify my code, and just do everything in the "startup" handler. > > That's what I do. :) Okay, now I'm a little puzzled. I removed all the old stuff about creating a template stack, adding the externals property to it, and then using it to create a dummy stack. I then added the following code to my main stack script: on startup if the platform is "Win32" then set the externals of stack "main" to "externals/midi.dll" else set the externals of stack "main" to "externals/midi.bundle" end if end startup I can now successfully call my external, both under the IDE and as a standalone. However, when I examine the property sheet for my main stack under the IDE, the property doesn't exist. If I go into the Message Box and type put the externalPackages of stack "main" to see what's actually loaded, it lists nothing either. Yet it must be there, because it's working. Shouldn't both properties exist? -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From th.douez at gmail.com Tue May 4 02:30:15 2010 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry D.) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 08:30:15 +0200 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: References: <20100503194756.5992A288083@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <84616136-7872-41B4-9E9E-C43ECF1E5DC5@sunnyrevcode.com> Le 4 mai 2010 ? 04:37, Graham & Heather Harrison a ?crit : > Jacque wrote: > >> But look at the nice thread you started. > > Yes, it has been very informative? and civilised. > > Note: If you reference "externals" or "externalPackages" for "me" or "this stack", your new External will not appear. Sorry. it's just wrong ! I'm doing this all the time for years. and I second what Mark Wieder says. Regards, Thierry From chipp at chipp.com Tue May 4 02:45:14 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 01:45:14 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Kay, The part you are missing in all of this is who Jon Stewart is and what he represents. He is seen by many as the single most powerful Progressive voice in the media. His calling out of Apple and Jobs in particular, has huge ramifications, of which I am sure concerns many inside Apple. Jon trades in the same "hipness" currency as Apple, GadgetBlog Writers and Privacy Advocates. Clearly you see Steve Jobs as a rock-star. We all need our heroes, and it's understandable. Many Apple users are enamored with Steve. He is truly a remarkable marketer and a one of a kind individual. Still, that does not make him infallible. He's had big wins, and big losses. Certainly no one could say NeXT was much of a win, nor was his refusal to create an 'Open Mac II' which cost him his first CEO job at Apple. iPods and iTunes were huge, as was OS X. PowerPC started big, but fizzled down the stretch. Certainly there are many here who believe him disingenuous when he said Hypercard wasn't dead-- then killed it. You're concerned Jon Stewart may be jealous. Actually, the message of the video is quite the opposite. Stewart comes out and says what a big Apple fan he is, and has been. He even says he's taking a big risk calling Jobs out because he knows how much his fanbase loves Apple. And that is why you don't understand at the end of the video where he still admits to wanting Apple products. Because he doesn't hate Apple. In fact, he really LIKES Apple. The point of it all, is for someone like Jon to call Apple, "Appholes," clearly shows there IS a problem. On Monday, May 3, 2010, Kay C Lan wrote: > Whilst many may deify Michael Schumacher, Roger Federer, Tiger Woods, Lee > Kwan Yew, Valentino Rossi, Lance Armstrong, Michael Phelps, Mozart, Leonardo > da Vinci and even Bill Gates and Steve Jobs; there are also those who are > deeply critical of them - most likely due to some deep-seeded jealousy. > What that video confirmed to me, is no matter how much vitriol, hatred and > disgust the presenter heaped upon Steve Jobs, no matter how logical or > factual the arguments, no matter how enthusiastically the audience agreed > with everything he said; for reasons I can not explain and certainly do not > understand, in the dying seconds the presented admitted his lust for the > next Apple product. From th.douez at gmail.com Tue May 4 03:19:27 2010 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry D.) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:19:27 +0200 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50F91FA4-1F76-4797-9293-9E0D69A70F59@sunnyrevcode.com> > Okay, now I'm a little puzzled. I removed all the old stuff about creating a > template stack, adding the externals property to it, and then using it to > create a dummy stack. I then added the following code to my main stack > script: > > on startup > if the platform is "Win32" then > set the externals of stack "main" to "externals/midi.dll" > else > set the externals of stack "main" to "externals/midi.bundle" > end if > end startup > > I can now successfully call my external, both under the IDE and as a > standalone. However, when I examine the property sheet for my main stack > under the IDE, the property doesn't exist. If I go into the Message Box and > type > > put the externalPackages of stack "main" > > to see what's actually loaded, it lists nothing either. Yet it must be > there, because it's working. Shouldn't both properties exist? Hi Paul, Sounds it's not that easy ! Welcome to the club :) A guess : your external is launched from another stack. A second guess : you have already launched your external before starting your stack, or say other way, the previous time you launched your external, it didn't close properly and keep running in the IDE. Does this speaks to you ? Regards, Thierry From shani.runrev at gmail.com Tue May 4 03:22:09 2010 From: shani.runrev at gmail.com (Shani) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:22:09 +0200 Subject: if message is "XYZ" then do next step (not working)? In-Reply-To: References: <1e32b.7db6c0dc.3910617e@aol.com> Message-ID: HI, Thanks I have check with if pResult is "XYZ reached at goal" then And if pResult is " XYZ reached at goal " then But both is not working Wheras when I receive blank if pResult is empty then this command work. -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Kay C Lan Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:23 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: if message is "XYZ" then do next step (not working)? Hi Shani, as Craig predicted, it's a typo. Your script says: if pResult is "XYZ reached at goal" then > and you say pResult =: " XYZ reached at goal " > notice there is a space both at the beginning and end of the actual result, but not so in the if test, i.e. "XYZ reached at goal" = " XYZ reached at goal " is false. HTH On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Shani wrote: > HI, thanks for your reply, > > I have tested > But this work . if pResult > is > empty then > click at the loc > of btn "StartGame" > end if > where as this not work, I don't know why > its command proper write error > > if pResult is "XYZ reached at > goal" then > click at the loc of btn > "StartGoal" > end if > > when I display the pResult > answer pResult > it display > " XYZ reached at goal " > > Regards, > SHani > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > DunbarX at aol.com > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:27 PM > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Subject: Re: if message is "XYZ" then do next step (not working)? > > Your handler works for me. > > If you step through the script, where does it not go wrong? Sometimes in > debugging I will rewrite even simple "if/then" statements in their expanded > form: > > if this then > dotThat > end if > > Instead of: if this then doThat. > > Because you can place a breakpoint at the "doThat" line to see if the > condition is being tested correctly. If you never reach that line, you can > find > the problem more quickly. > > I think it is something simple, like a typo. > > Craig Newman > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue May 4 03:46:30 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 15:46:30 +0800 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: References: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:21 PM, David Bovill wrote: > > I think Steve Jobs underestimated developer reaction in the age of the > internet and open source - he can't get away with the same sort of things > quite as easily as companies could last century. I also doubt he will take > very well to the sudden realization that he has turned from underdog > fighting the cause of good design, to a one-man-band lock-in merchant in > the > eyes of quite so many young developers. > > RunRev needs all of this + the anti-trust threat to make sure revMobile on > the iPhone does not fall out of this as collateral damage - the more > pressure the more reason Apple will have to negotiate exceptions. > Especially > in Runrev can offer some technological features that are specific to the > iPhone that CS5 does not offer? Google must be loving this. > > > Let me start off by saying I very much hope that Rev will be able to do it's thing on the iPhone and iPad. I also believe that there could have been much more compromise or middle ground taken by Steve Jobs in the Flash decision. But, I don't know all the facts. I've read another thread here with interest about starting a RevStore and am bemused by comments about the HyperCard days and the overwhelming number of poor quality Apps, the enormous amount of manpower spent shifting through them, and the negative image those Apps created. Basically some have made a Steve Jobs like decision that a RevStore wouldn't be a good idea because so many poor quality Rev Apps would reflect poorly on the company. So to the article: In forcing computer programmers to choose developing an Apple-exclusive app > over one that can be used on Apple and rival devices simultaneously, critics > say Apple is hampering competition since the expense involved in creating an > app will lead developers with limited budgets to focus on one format, not > two. > Sorry, but I thought that's exactly the environment the Mac has lived in since 1984. The vast majority of developers, not just limited budget developers, have always chosen to develop for one platform only. If this is an Anti-Trust issue now, why hasn't it been for the last 26 years? Shaun Meredith, a former Apple employee who runs software development > company InfoBridge, said that as a result of Apple's rule change, some of > his customers are choosing to finance apps that are compatible with all of > Apple's competitors instead of those that work only with the iPhone or iPad. > > Sorry, people are now choosing to develop for Apple's competitors so this is the basis for an Anti-Trust inquiry because it's stifling competition? I clearly don't understand something here. Yes it is unfortunate that one option has been removed, but as far as I can tell it's a completely level playing field. If an iPhone Developer wants to port his App to a Android device, he'll be up against the exact same hurdles as an Android developer deciding to port to the iPhone. Indeed, though Apple has the most applications, it is a distant second in > terms of operating system market share. According to comScore, RIM, which > makes the BlackBerry, has a 42 percent share, while Apple's take is 25 > percent. Microsoft has 15 percent and Google's Android software has 9 > percent. > Sorry, Jobs doesn't control 95% of the market share, he isn't even ranked No 1? There even seems to be more players and a more even spread of market share, than in the PC OS arena, so why is this a competition problem? At this point the only line of argument I can see is "we think Steve Jobs has shot himself in the foot with this decision, a vast majority of developers will no longer develop for the iPhone, most Apps will be on other mobile phone systems, Apple will go bust, therefore there will be less competition" To that I say, let it happen, let market forces play out, let capitalism do it's thing. If Steve wants to make his 'walled garden' experience, where everything is vetted by him, are made just so, and will never crash his iPhone; then let the market, the buying public decide if he's right. A while back I was chatting with a colleague, an avid Mac hater, Steve Jobs despiser and committed Nokia user. He'd just bought an iPhone. Why? Because on more than one occasion, during important business trips, his Nokia had frozen on him leaving him very out of contact and very embarrassed. He assumed it was due to one of the many Apps he had on the thing, but he couldn't be bothered figuring out which one, he just needed a phone that worked. Once America was great because it allowed greatness to be fed by capitalism. Now America wallows in mediocrity because bureaucracy decides which companies will survive under Chapter 11 protection, and which ones are too big to fail, and what the consumer gets, and.... oh, wait a minute, that's not capitalism. From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue May 4 04:05:40 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:05:40 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100504052015.PSTI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: Le 4 mai 2010 ? 08:06, Kay C Lan a ?crit : > Jobs just has an uncanny, some think unnatural, ability to > persuade enough people (not everyone, not even the majority, in some cases a > piddling insignificant percentage) that they need to open their wallet and > outlay a premium on a device they don't need, that has functionality they > didn't realise they couldn't live without. I understand, I'm an idiot. Maybe, because when you're a fool you are often the last to realize. I had many Macintosh since 1984. I became interested in computers for professional use in 1979 and before 1984 I had seen anything very conclusive. I still, since then earned my living in part by the Macintosh. Sorry for the fans of Windows but the sight of a Windows gives me hives.Am I a morbid aesthetic? At the exit of SuperPaint I had with ResEdit, edit icon (awful to my taste) of the palette to use it. Some may find this complete idiot but I am attached to the form, which often (not always) is an expression of the substance. For the application on which I work I spent several days (I'm slow, no doubt) to create a mini and a small slider which unfortunately do not exist in RunRev. I am currently working to create many interface elements "Macintosh" missing (the list is long, I've made) to integrate with RunRev (my first contribution, "Spinning Wheel" is available online from Rev). I am interested in the adventure of the Macintosh is not a race to the consumer (having the last computer with the latest processor, the latest hard disk, etc..) Is the style! Perhaps it is because I am also an admirer of Gustave Flaubert who is both one of the greatest designers of the literature and a destroyer of human stupidity. Like him, I see no contradiction. I would add that for Gilles Deleuze's philosophy and style are two bulwarks against stupidity. Remember English is not my language (dont be too severe with it)... Bon souvenir de Paris [ville ? combien remplie de chose inutiles...] [Oh how city filled with something useless > this may be the reason why France is the first Macintosh market after de U.S ?!] Ren? From randall at randallreetz.com Tue May 4 04:11:51 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 01:11:51 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100504081154.HJEU23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Ok, maybe the ipad path is a virtual machine that runs rev stacks that are encapsulated within an apple compliment shell? Rev could distribute an ipad runner app and or a wrapper app that sucks stacks into the iphad RevWrapper (with or without runner included). Is there such a thing as app assigned document in the iphad gestalt? -----Original Message----- From: Randall Lee Reetz Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:17 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Really, there is no use of flash in the rev source or output? At all? Where did I get that idea? How are rev stacks exported as executables on the iphone ipad platform? If they are converted at some point to C source then it would be entirely possible to set up a publication service that allows rev users to submit stacks formatted for the "iphad" (conformed byte code) and shoot them through the apple blessed IDE / compiler. No? Am I smoking something? Seems do-able. Randall -----Original Message----- From: Colin Holgate Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 9:50 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On May 4, 2010, at 12:32 AM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I always thought it was smart that rev tied into flash. Allowed a path onto the web. Xtalk and flash share some deep object and widget similarities. But I am a bit confused as to how rev and flash are integrated. Anyone point me to a doc or web page or tube video that explains rev's flash integration? > > Can you point to the message here that talked about Flash and Rev being integrated? The only connection between the two that I know of is that they are both victims of Apple changing the iPhone SDK agreement. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue May 4 04:22:34 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:22:34 +0200 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: References: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Le 4 mai 2010 ? 09:46, Kay C Lan a ?crit : > Sorry, people are now choosing to develop for Apple's competitors so this is > the basis for an Anti-Trust inquiry because it's stifling competition? I > clearly don't understand something here. Yes it is unfortunate that one > option has been removed, but as far as I can tell it's a completely level > playing field. If an iPhone Developer wants to port his App to a Android > device, he'll be up against the exact same hurdles as an Android developer > deciding to port to the iPhone. Yes, Kay, I think that ! This does not help my case but I think it's just... Ren? From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue May 4 04:27:17 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:27:17 +0800 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100504052015.PSTI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Ren? Micout wrote: > > I understand, I'm an idiot. Maybe, because when you're a fool you are often > the last to realize. I had many Macintosh since 1984. > > No you're not, but then again maybe we both are. I too have owned many Macs, but only since '87, but all my brothers tell me I'm a fool ;-) I was speaking more generally, that IMO, the vast majority of current iPhone, iPad buyers do not do it because they've assessed their needs and looked at all the options and weighed the pro's and con's, but simply buy them because they 'are in', 'cool', 'hip', that's why they refer to it as an iPhad - a pun on the word fad, meaning - like yoyo fad, or a rubic's cube fad. Personally I don't think there are any fools on this List. The fact that they've arrived at this List suggest they've plowed through very many options, appreciate that there is more than one operating system out there, weighed the pro's and con's, and have concluded Rev is worthy tool for their toolbox. If they are fools, then so am I ;-) From chipp at chipp.com Tue May 4 04:27:35 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 03:27:35 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Kay, It sounds like the part you are missing in all of this is who Jon Stewart is and what he represents. He is seen by many as the single most powerful Progressive voice in the media. His calling out of Apple and Jobs in particular, has huge ramifications, of which I am sure concerns many inside Apple. Jon trades in the same "hipness" currency as Apple and BMW's. You seem to confuse Jobs with a rock star, which is understandable. Many faithful Apple followers are so enamored. The fact is, he's a man. He makes big mistakes, and has huge wins. NeXT was a mistake, so was not wanting to create a Mac II. And most here think he was ingenuous when he lied about and and eventually killed Hypercard. iPods were a huge win as was MacOS X. PowerPC, while starting on an up note, ended up not so hot. The list goes on. The guy is, without a doubt, a marketing genius. Still doesn't make him infallible. Just because someone like Stewart calls him out, doesn't mean he's jealous. Far from it. Jon points out how big a fan he is and has been of Apple, but also points out some of the errors Apple is making these days. In fact at the end of the segment, even Jon recognizes how this might roll with his audience saying something about it being easier on his fans to show pictures of Muhammed in a bikini versus talk bad about Jobs. So, clearly he's a Steve Jobs fan. The whole point of this is, if someone like Jon Stewart calls Apple, "Appholes," then things must be pretty bad. On Monday, May 3, 2010, Kay C Lan wrote: > Whilst many may deify Michael Schumacher, Roger Federer, Tiger Woods, Lee > Kwan Yew, Valentino Rossi, Lance Armstrong, Michael Phelps, Mozart, Leonardo > da Vinci and even Bill Gates and Steve Jobs; there are also those who are > deeply critical of them - most likely due to some deep-seeded jealousy. > What that video confirmed to me, is no matter how much vitriol, hatred and > disgust the presenter heaped upon Steve Jobs, no matter how logical or > factual the arguments, no matter how enthusiastically the audience agreed > with everything he said; for reasons I can not explain and certainly do not > understand, in the dying seconds the presented admitted his lust for the > next Apple product. > All I can conclude is, if one with such a wholly justifiable aversion to > Steve's latest antics will still so obviously go on buying Apple products, > then how much more so the sheep-like general consumer. > [yourname here] + Apple + Flash, I should have asked, if you had $1M to > invest right now, and could only invest in Apple or Adobe, who would you > pick? > PS Apple just announced it has sold 1 million iPads in 28 days > PPS It took Apple almost 3 months to sell 1 million iPhones > PPS ?Apple announces best non-holiday quarter ever, with revenues up 49 > percent and profits up 90 percent > PPPS Adobe stock dropped 2% after Steve Jobs' Thoughts on Flash > PPPPS Adobe drop iPhone as corporate phone > PPPPPS Adobe stock takes further hit after Microsoft announce IE9 will not > support Flash [movies] > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue May 4 04:28:42 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:28:42 +1000 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: > The point of it all, is for someone like Jon to call Apple, "Appholes," > clearly shows there IS a problem. Am I the only one who has a problem with Jon Stewart tacitly condoning theft? Regards, Sarah From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue May 4 05:10:34 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:10:34 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100504052015.PSTI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <7DDBC7C5-4408-447B-B119-047CC0BF254A@numericable.com> Le 4 mai 2010 ? 10:27, Kay C Lan a ?crit : > that's why they refer to it as an > iPhad - a pun on the word fad, meaning - like yoyo fad, or a rubic's cube > fad. Thank you for this explanation, because I was a little lost with this non-translatable word ! (I believe that was a type or spelling mistake !) > If they are fools, then so am I ;-) Perhaps I am a morbid aesthetic and perhaps a morbid fetish > I have my first 128 K Macintosh (1984) on a shelf above my new iMac (2009) !! ;-) Ren? From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue May 4 05:15:10 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:15:10 +0800 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > > The whole point of this is, if someone like Jon Stewart calls Apple, > "Appholes," then things must be pretty bad. > > Wow, stereophonic reply. Certainly had me scratching my head there for a sec. Thanks for the pointer on Jon Stewart, personally had no clue who he was. Your comments on 'trades in the same hipness currency' is extremely valid. If anything will hurt Apple, certainly their hipness rating going down will effect the bottom line. Unfortunately there are at least two ways for hipness rating to go down. First is to become the in joke. The second is to make mediocre products. The first will be short lived if you continue to make 1st class products as discerning consumer will continue to recognise the product for what it is; the joke will fade. The second is inescapable if you continue to make mediocre products. Maybe I do consider Steve a rock star, because I generally like the music he plays ;-) But you are right, he's produced some flops. I've stated already that I'd have thought there would have been a more middle ground solution, but then I don't know all the facts - none of us do. I do know that I like the level of perfection Steve requires of his products. If, through bureaucratic intervention, Steve is forced to allow mediocrity, then regardless of what Jon Steward might joke about, the hipness factor will be permanently effected. I'd much rather see this resolved my market forces, rather than bureaucratic intervention, and I fully accept that Jon Stewart is part of market forces. I guess I don't understand why people feel that they should be free to dictate how Steve Jobs runs his company, yet Steve isn't free to dictate what standards are to be met to make the grade. PS. I do appreciate that it is extremely unlikely that Apple will be forced to pass every App ever submitted, no matter how stick man, kill barney, it might be. From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue May 4 05:17:42 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:17:42 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Are things changing ? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703612804575222553091495816.html?mod=WSJEUROPE_hpp_LEFTTopWhatNews Ren? From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue May 4 05:29:28 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:29:28 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Precision : read this in the article : "Apple could try to head off trouble with antitrust enforcers by changing the terms of its developer agreement, one person familiar with the situation said." Le 4 mai 2010 ? 11:17, Ren? Micout a ?crit : > Are things changing ? > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703612804575222553091495816.html?mod=WSJEUROPE_hpp_LEFTTopWhatNews > > Ren?_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue May 4 05:34:46 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:34:46 +0800 Subject: if message is "XYZ" then do next step (not working)? In-Reply-To: References: <1e32b.7db6c0dc.3910617e@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Shani, if (pResult is "XYZ reached at goal") then click at the loc of btn "StartGoal" else breakpoint end if As Craig suggested, if you put in an 'else' clause and breakpoint, when the script stops at the breakpoint what is in the VariableWatcher for pResult? HTH On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Shani wrote: > HI, > Thanks > I have check with if pResult is "XYZ reached at goal" then > And if pResult is " XYZ reached at goal " then > But both is not working > Wheras when I receive blank > if pResult is empty then > this command work. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Kay C Lan > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:23 AM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: if message is "XYZ" then do next step (not working)? > > Hi Shani, > > as Craig predicted, it's a typo. Your script says: > > if pResult is "XYZ reached at goal" then > > > > and you say pResult =: > > " XYZ reached at goal " > > > > notice there is a space both at the beginning and end of the actual result, > but not so in the if test, i.e. > > "XYZ reached at goal" = " XYZ reached at goal " > > is false. > > HTH > > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Shani wrote: > > > HI, thanks for your reply, > > > > I have tested > > But this work . if pResult > > is > > empty then > > click at the loc > > of btn "StartGame" > > end if > > where as this not work, I don't know why > > its command proper write error > > > > if pResult is "XYZ reached at > > goal" then > > click at the loc of btn > > "StartGoal" > > end if > > > > when I display the pResult > > answer pResult > > it display > > " XYZ reached at goal " > > > > Regards, > > SHani > > -----Original Message----- > > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > > DunbarX at aol.com > > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:27 PM > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Subject: Re: if message is "XYZ" then do next step (not working)? > > > > Your handler works for me. > > > > If you step through the script, where does it not go wrong? Sometimes in > > debugging I will rewrite even simple "if/then" statements in their > expanded > > form: > > > > if this then > > dotThat > > end if > > > > Instead of: if this then doThat. > > > > Because you can place a breakpoint at the "doThat" line to see if the > > condition is being tested correctly. If you never reach that line, you > can > > find > > the problem more quickly. > > > > I think it is something simple, like a typo. > > > > Craig Newman > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription > > preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue May 4 05:41:01 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:41:01 +0800 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <7DDBC7C5-4408-447B-B119-047CC0BF254A@numericable.com> References: <20100504052015.PSTI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7DDBC7C5-4408-447B-B119-047CC0BF254A@numericable.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Perhaps I am a morbid aesthetic and perhaps a morbid fetish > I have my > first 128 K Macintosh (1984) on a shelf above my new iMac (2009) !! ;-) > > > I'm definitely jealous. Mine was a 512K Enhanced. Long since given away. But each month I get to revel in OS 7.6.1 when I crank up the old Centris 650 + Laserwriter Select 300. From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue May 4 05:47:39 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:47:39 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100504052015.PSTI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7DDBC7C5-4408-447B-B119-047CC0BF254A@numericable.com> Message-ID: <865E53A4-641F-4594-A94B-A71944AC523D@numericable.com> Le 4 mai 2010 ? 11:41, Kay C Lan a ?crit : > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> Perhaps I am a morbid aesthetic and perhaps a morbid fetish > I have my >> first 128 K Macintosh (1984) on a shelf above my new iMac (2009) !! ;-) >> >> >> I'm definitely jealous. Mine was a 512K Enhanced. Long since given away. > But each month I get to revel in OS 7.6.1 when I crank up the old Centris > 650 + Laserwriter Select 300. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at chipp.com Tue May 4 05:50:36 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 04:50:36 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Sorry for the double post. I tried first posting on my iPad, but the gMail client is still pretty flaky, and for some unknown reason, the Use-List keep rejecting any posts from the iPad's mail client. Steve's still got a few things to work out on this iPad. I ended up finally going downstairs and posting on my PC. On Tuesday, May 4, 2010, Kay C Lan wrote: >> >> Wow, stereophonic reply. Certainly had me scratching my head there for a > sec. From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue May 4 05:53:23 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:53:23 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100504052015.PSTI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7DDBC7C5-4408-447B-B119-047CC0BF254A@numericable.com> Message-ID: <149990DA-341A-48D5-BC4C-DB47B01F2574@numericable.com> Definitively incomparable : IT IS TRUE !! How can one not be fetish after that ? The serial number of my first Mac 128 K is F5?128RM0001WP : The first number of "my initials" series... Le 4 mai 2010 ? 11:41, Kay C Lan a ?crit : > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> Perhaps I am a morbid aesthetic and perhaps a morbid fetish > I have my >> first 128 K Macintosh (1984) on a shelf above my new iMac (2009) !! ;-) >> >> >> I'm definitely jealous. Mine was a 512K Enhanced. Long since given away. > But each month I get to revel in OS 7.6.1 when I crank up the old Centris > 650 + Laserwriter Select 300. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Tue May 4 05:55:59 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 02:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: References: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <1272966959254-2125255.post@n4.nabble.com> >If an iPhone Developer wants to port his App to a Android > device, he'll be up against the exact same hurdles as an Android developer > deciding to port to the iPhone. My only real interest in this question is the implications for Rev and its future direction and in particular the implications for a Linux/Android version. But this is obviously false. There is no Android App Store which is the only vehicle for marketing your stuff. There is no non-disclosure agreement. There is no developer agreement. You can use any language you want. Multiple vendors can make Android hardware. Multiple carriers can supply them. Of course they are not up against the 'exact same hurdles'. The big hurdle in this case is an Apple policy hurdle. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Rep-Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2124023p2125255.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From toolbook at kestner.de Tue May 4 06:47:23 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 12:47:23 +0200 Subject: AW: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip In-Reply-To: <000f01caea8d$70bb93b0$5232bb10$@de> References: <000f01caea8d$70bb93b0$5232bb10$@de> Message-ID: <001401caeb77$2e4a7e70$8adf7b50$@de> Hello, after another Test, Thierry could reproduce the described behaviour that you can't keep the locked flag (uchg) of a file when zipping it with PKzip. So perhaps anybody can confirm either if it is a standard behavior/feature of OSX 10.5/10.6 or it's a bug of OSX? Because I don't find any hints googeling, I almost think it is standard, but why? Test: A folder containing a file with the locked flag. Zipping it, e.g: ditto -c -k --sequesterRsrc SrcFolder testditto.zip Unzipping it and the locked flag is gone Thanks Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB > Gesendet: Montag, 3. Mai 2010 08:54 > An: 'How to use Revolution' > Betreff: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip > > Hello, > > still struggeling with keeping the locked flag of a file when zipping > and > unzipping. I followed exactly Thierries advice to use following syntax: > > ditto -c -k --sequesterRsrc SrcFolder testditto.zip > > and though a locked file in Thierries environment is still locked after > unzipping, in my environment (MacOS 10.5.8) the file isn't locked > anymore > after unzipping. So the difference must be in any other test parameter. > What > I have tried is following: > > - Actually I am not sure, if the flag gets lost while zipping > or > unzipping. Anyhow, after unzipping, controlling the information of the > file, > the flag is lost > > - I tried different zip tools for zipping and unzipping > (ditto, > 7zip, gui tar) with same result > > - Originally my locked file resides within a bundle, but I > tested > also with a single locked testfile in the source folder with same > result > > - I tested different compression formats (zip, CPIO) with > ditto > with same result > > - When using the ditto option -v (just copying a file) the > locked > flag is kept, but not with -c (creating a compressed archive) > > - I also tested the ditto options: ditto -c -k --rsrc -- > extattr > SrcFolder testditto.zip with same result > > So it seems like my problem isn't the zipping and I am overlooking > something > obvious outside the zipping process. My Mac knowledge is so small, that > I > really stuck here, what could cause such a different behavior: OS > version, > User permission (I have full rights), ditto handling,.? > > Any advice appreciated > > Tiemo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Tue May 4 07:19:46 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 12:19:46 +0100 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: References: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Just a minor point on market share stats - of interest I think because of its relevance to developing on mobile platforms for this list: On 4 May 2010 08:46, Kay C Lan wrote: > > Indeed, though Apple has the most applications, it is a distant second in > > terms of operating system market share. According to comScore, RIM, which > > makes the BlackBerry, has a 42 percent share, while Apple's take is 25 > > percent. Microsoft has 15 percent and Google's Android software has 9 > > percent. > > Sorry, Jobs doesn't control 95% of the market share, he isn't even ranked > No > 1? There even seems to be more players and a more even spread of market > share, than in the PC OS arena, so why is this a competition problem? > Richard and others have made this point - but I think the figures are misleading. From memory there are two figures that stick in my head - and it would be great to have them discussed, trashed or verified on this list :) First that 97% of mobile app revenues are on the iPhone - this one I find hard to believe, though I can also understand how this could be possible. I'll dig out the bookmark I have for that one if it proves to be controversial :) Second that 80% or there abouts of mobile phone web browsing of sites are from iPhone users - that one was from Mr Jobs KeyNote - but there could be some independent source somewhere - again I can understand why that may be the case - it is one thing having a phone that can send MMS or browse the web in theory, and another to get users actually to use the stuff, or better still actually pay for it (in terms of app or media purchases) - iPhone OS is leagues ahead of everyone at the moment on these fronts. The figures that indicate the real battle are the projected ones and the ones that refer to the (very) recent growth of Android - these are promising but not yet solid. ---------------------------------- And now for a - "sorry I can't help this - this is way more fun than getting down to work - please skip if you feel otherwise. ... Apple has a good shot at cornering this market - that is establishing a de facto (and legally supported) monopoly, just as Microsoft did in the mid-80's (without the legal protection), and the real battle looks like between Android and iOS, one of them a fully open platform in which consumers and producers can freely operate in market terms and another - a closed market controlled by Apple. It is not a monopoly yet (because the market is young), but everyone is now much more sensitive to these issues and the tactics companies can play in network economies - and everyone is looking to the future here, and by the future we are talking a few years. Like a few others on this list I am now pretty convinced that the PC market is about to be dramatically overtaken by the new mobile market in terms of sales and new software developments. Apple and others will be quite happy to leave the desktop market to the web and to open source strategies - they simply will not be interested in closing this market - let Google have it. They (ie Apple and others) clearly want to dominate the mobile market in the way that Microsoft succeeded to with the 1990's desktop market. Regulators and commentators are now wise to those tricks and will kick up a fuss early if they see moves like this coming - there are a lot of people and governments who want to keep these new markets open, and global networked markets do not stay open by themselves - they can and have decayed into monopolies, and mathematical models clearly show this to be an inherent property of free markets in certain situations - we don't need a conspiracy theory to explain it. It is not unreasonable to view this as an early stage in the battle between two different types of mobile market place, one closed and dominated by a single proprietary player and the other open. I think regulators would only be doing their Job (pun intended) to take a closer look at this - better early than late given how long these things take to go through the courts and how fast this market is going to move. From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue May 4 08:00:23 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 22:00:23 +1000 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: References: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: > Like a few others on this list I am now pretty convinced that the PC market > is about to be dramatically overtaken by the new mobile market in terms of > sales and new software developments. Apple and others will be quite happy to > leave the desktop market to the web and to open source strategies - they > simply will not be interested in closing this market - let Google have it. > They (ie Apple and others) clearly want to dominate the mobile market in the > way that Microsoft succeeded to with the 1990's desktop market. I completely agree with this assessment. > Regulators and commentators are now wise to those tricks and will kick up a > fuss early if they see moves like this coming - there are a lot of people > and governments who want to keep these new markets open, and global > networked markets do not stay open by themselves - they can and have decayed > into monopolies, and mathematical models clearly show this to be an inherent > property of free markets in certain situations - we don't need a conspiracy > theory to explain it. > > It is not unreasonable to view this as an early stage in the battle between > two different types of mobile market place, one closed and dominated by a > single proprietary player and the other open. I think regulators would only > be doing their Job (pun intended) to take a closer look at this - better > early than late given how long these things take to go through the courts > and how fast this market is going to move. It is important to remember that there is nothing illegal about having a monopoly. But as Microsoft showed, it is possible to use the power that a monopoly gives, to perform illegal acts. This is a distinction that is ignored by most bloggers, but I would hope that the denizens of this list are more intelligent than that. Regards, Sarah From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue May 4 08:05:37 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 14:05:37 +0200 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: References: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <2B703413-F9F7-431B-9772-DA8770506D2A@numericable.com> And what about that ? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703612804575222553091495816.html?mod=WSJEUROPE_hpp_LEFTTopWhatNews Particulary at the end of the article of the Wall Street Journal : "Apple could try to head off trouble with antitrust enforcers by changing the terms of its developer agreement, one person familiar with the situation said." Ren? Le 4 mai 2010 ? 14:00, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit : >> Like a few others on this list I am now pretty convinced that the PC market >> is about to be dramatically overtaken by the new mobile market in terms of >> sales and new software developments. Apple and others will be quite happy to >> leave the desktop market to the web and to open source strategies - they >> simply will not be interested in closing this market - let Google have it. >> They (ie Apple and others) clearly want to dominate the mobile market in the >> way that Microsoft succeeded to with the 1990's desktop market. > > I completely agree with this assessment. > > >> Regulators and commentators are now wise to those tricks and will kick up a >> fuss early if they see moves like this coming - there are a lot of people >> and governments who want to keep these new markets open, and global >> networked markets do not stay open by themselves - they can and have decayed >> into monopolies, and mathematical models clearly show this to be an inherent >> property of free markets in certain situations - we don't need a conspiracy >> theory to explain it. >> >> It is not unreasonable to view this as an early stage in the battle between >> two different types of mobile market place, one closed and dominated by a >> single proprietary player and the other open. I think regulators would only >> be doing their Job (pun intended) to take a closer look at this - better >> early than late given how long these things take to go through the courts >> and how fast this market is going to move. > > It is important to remember that there is nothing illegal about having > a monopoly. But as Microsoft showed, it is possible to use the power > that a monopoly gives, to perform illegal acts. > This is a distinction that is ignored by most bloggers, but I would > hope that the denizens of this list are more intelligent than that. > > Regards, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mkoob at rogers.com Tue May 4 08:44:44 2010 From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 12:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: on-rev client can't access server Message-ID: I am trying this morning to access the on-rev server with the on-rev client but it won't connect to the server. Is the server down? Martin From pmbrig at gmail.com Tue May 4 08:51:01 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 08:51:01 -0400 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: <4BDF5BBC.2000300@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BDF5BBC.2000300@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <389424D9-44AD-4C02-B42F-2E1C60748044@gmail.com> Re: quoted text is treated as one word, On May 3, 2010, at 7:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Michael wrote: >> Hi: I'm inclined to disagree. I would vote to keep the current >> behavior. m > > I could easily have overlooked some simple reason to retain it. How > do you use it, generally? I'd like to know too, before adding a QC report. What is the advantage that you see, apart from the nearly extinct HC legacy issue? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From psahores at free.fr Tue May 4 09:15:10 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 15:15:10 +0200 Subject: on-rev client can't access server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Martin, Seemed me that the loki server is, time to time, responding very slowly today but this need confirmation. Best, Le 4 mai 2010 ? 14:44, Martin Koob a ?crit : > I am trying this morning to access the on-rev server with > the on-rev client but it won't connect to the server. > > Is the server down? > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From mikekann at yahoo.com Tue May 4 09:19:30 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 06:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: on-rev client can't access server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <307119.7036.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Odin up --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Pierre Sahores wrote: > From: Pierre Sahores > Subject: Re: on-rev client can't access server > To: "How to use Revolution" > Cc: "On Rev Support" > Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 8:15 AM > Hi Martin, > > Seemed me that the loki server is, time to time, responding > very slowly today but this need confirmation. > > Best, > > Le 4 mai 2010 ? 14:44, Martin Koob a ?crit : > > > I am trying this morning to access the on-rev server > with > > the on-rev client but it won't connect to the server. > > > > Is the server down? > > > > Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 > > www.woooooooords.com > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From DunbarX at aol.com Tue May 4 09:19:44 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:19:44 EDT Subject: if message is "XYZ" then do next step (not working)? Message-ID: <55044.45e498de.391178f0@aol.com> Please try changing the text to something that is simpler, like "test". If this single word works, then retype the phrase you really want, and paste it (do not retype it) everywhere you use it. Sometimes invisible characters make their way into the works, Sometimes there is no apparent reason, and simply reentering the text makes the problem go away. Creaig Newman From mkoob at rogers.com Tue May 4 09:23:05 2010 From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: on-rev client can't access server References: <307119.7036.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -Michael Kann writes: - Odin up --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Pierre Sahores wrote: -- Hi Martin, -- Seemed me that the loki server is, time to time, responding -- very slowly today but this need confirmation. -- Best, It is working now. Martin From mikekann at yahoo.com Tue May 4 09:43:56 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 06:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: <389424D9-44AD-4C02-B42F-2E1C60748044@gmail.com> Message-ID: <592204.22492.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Peter, The current quoted-text convention might be useful if the developer is the one putting in the quotes. You use quotes instead of underscores. If you wanted a paragraph of musician names you add Madonna, Prince, "Bruce Springsteen" and Willie -- word 3 now refers to the Boss. If you are munging other people's text then it becomes inconvenient. Mike --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > From: Peter Brigham MD > Subject: Re: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 7:51 AM > Re: quoted text is treated as one > word, > > On May 3, 2010, at 7:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > > Michael wrote: > >> Hi: I'm inclined to disagree. I would vote to keep > the current behavior.? m > > > > I could easily have overlooked some simple reason to > retain it. How do you use it, generally? > > I'd like to know too, before adding a QC report. What is > the advantage that you see, apart from the nearly extinct HC > legacy issue? > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com Tue May 4 09:54:30 2010 From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 15:54:30 +0200 Subject: No-asci chars from the on-rev CGI In-Reply-To: <4BDEF801.3030109@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BC719E3.90803@fourthworld.com> <4BDEF801.3030109@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Thank you. You are right. Now I realize that from the on-rev CGI (using the put command) i receive a Mac OS character-set string, So, when I am in windows I have to use a macToISO() to translate it into the ISO 8859-1character set. On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:21 PM, J. Landman Gay I'm not sure if it will help, but it sounds like you are affected by the different character sets that Windows and Mac use. Accented characters are at different locations in the font tables on each OS. You could try using macToISO() or isoToMac() to convert the characters before sending to the CGI. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From crw at nosirrah.com Tue May 4 09:45:12 2010 From: crw at nosirrah.com (Graham & Heather Harrison) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 23:45:12 +1000 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 80, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: <20100504095555.090EA288727@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100504095555.090EA288727@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Altogether now, No! No! A thousand times no! I'd rather die than say yes! Mark Wieder wrote: No?NoNoNoNo?No Thierry D. wrote: Sorry. It's just wrong ! I feel as if I've run afoul of the Church-of-we-don't-do-it-that-way/Denomination-rev/Sect-externals. The main reasons given for not doing it my way (cue for another song?) is that it won't work when I convert to a standalone, or when there is a new version of rev. No matter how many times I say that this is for learning, everyone wants me to create standalones. Ain't going to happen soon. By the time it does I will know much more and be able to convert. A new version of rev? I will probably have created standalones before then. The beauty of my method (for learning) is that the Externals are available for each new stack without any extra work at all. If you want to write small test stacks for various scenarios, that is a big boon. Mark kindly provided a script for binding Externals. I wish I had seen it earlier. It cuts out a lot of extraneous stuff introduced by the Externals Lessons on runRev - e.g. requiring the destroyWindow property to be set to true before the save stack. It has three drawbacks as far as I see it: . The internal code has to be repeated for each External you want to use. (And please don't say, "Nobody would want to use more than one External!") Do it my way (that song just won't go away), and all externals are immediately available. . I now have a button I don't want. . As I have read (this thread or elsewhere) the handling of Externals is different in the IDE and standalones. From the discussion between Jacque and Paul this is not straightforward, and is not handled in the documentation. It would appear that this script would need to upgraded to work in both environments. Mark, you asked why I considered mentioning setting the Preferences/Files & Memory/User Extensions. Because my two primary sources - Externals Lesson 2 (explicitly), and Shao Sean's revUp article on ssMacWindows (implicitly), told me to. But your response, and my testing, raises the question - what is it used for. From pmbrig at gmail.com Tue May 4 10:02:56 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:02:56 -0400 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: <592204.22492.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <592204.22492.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22D96F27-C843-4BCE-94C3-1B9556E67020@gmail.com> You can accomplish this by using a non-breaking space (Mac = option- space, chartonum(202)). -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On May 4, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > Peter, > > The current quoted-text convention might be useful if the developer > is the one putting in the quotes. You use quotes instead of > underscores. If you wanted a paragraph of musician names you add > Madonna, Prince, "Bruce Springsteen" and Willie -- word 3 now refers > to the Boss. > > If you are munging other people's text then it becomes inconvenient. > > Mike > > --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > >> From: Peter Brigham MD >> Subject: Re: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation >> Marks? >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 7:51 AM >> Re: quoted text is treated as one >> word, >> >> On May 3, 2010, at 7:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >> >>> Michael wrote: >>>> Hi: I'm inclined to disagree. I would vote to keep >> the current behavior. m >>> >>> I could easily have overlooked some simple reason to >> retain it. How do you use it, generally? >> >> I'd like to know too, before adding a QC report. What is >> the advantage that you see, apart from the nearly extinct HC >> legacy issue? >> >> -- Peter >> >> Peter M. Brigham >> pmbrig at gmail.com >> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage >> your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue May 4 10:07:54 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 07:07:54 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <4BE02A3A.6010800@fourthworld.com> Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> The point of it all, is for someone like Jon to call Apple, "Appholes," >> clearly shows there IS a problem. > > Am I the only one who has a problem with Jon Stewart tacitly condoning theft? Maybe I'm too much of a Daily Show fan, but I didn't get that from the piece. It seemed to me he wasn't so much saying Gizmodo was right as he was questioning the need for the strongest possible response to it. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From mikekann at yahoo.com Tue May 4 10:08:07 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: <22D96F27-C843-4BCE-94C3-1B9556E67020@gmail.com> Message-ID: <576004.84290.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Peter, That's a clever solution, thanks. Mike --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > From: Peter Brigham MD > Subject: Re: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 9:02 AM > You can accomplish this by using a > non-breaking space (Mac = option-space, chartonum(202)). > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > On May 4, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > > > Peter, > > > > The current quoted-text convention might be useful if > the developer is the one putting in the quotes. You use > quotes instead of underscores. If you wanted a paragraph of > musician names you add Madonna, Prince, "Bruce Springsteen" > and Willie -- word 3 now refers to the Boss. > > > > If you are munging other people's text then it becomes > inconvenient. > > > > Mike > > > > --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Peter Brigham MD > wrote: > > > >> From: Peter Brigham MD > >> Subject: Re: Changing the Style of Words in Field > And Quotation Marks? > >> To: "How to use Revolution" > >> Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 7:51 AM > >> Re: quoted text is treated as one > >> word, > >> > >> On May 3, 2010, at 7:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> > >>> Michael wrote: > >>>> Hi: I'm inclined to disagree. I would vote > to keep > >> the current behavior.? m > >>> > >>> I could easily have overlooked some simple > reason to > >> retain it. How do you use it, generally? > >> > >> I'd like to know too, before adding a QC report. > What is > >> the advantage that you see, apart from the nearly > extinct HC > >> legacy issue? > >> > >> -- Peter > >> > >> Peter M. Brigham > >> pmbrig at gmail.com > >> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe > and manage > >> your subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Tue May 4 10:15:25 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:15:25 -0700 Subject: Valentina for Runrev 4.6 Released Message-ID: <6751278E8E234EB2AE5E839D7317790A@GATEWAY> Paradigma Software Increases Speed with Valentina DB 4.6 May 4, 2010. 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(503) 574-2776 http://www.paradigmasoft.com From stevejones at mac.com Tue May 4 10:30:35 2010 From: stevejones at mac.com (Steve Jones) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 09:30:35 -0500 Subject: Newbie question In-Reply-To: <849418030912231006h164b5749g6110c1bca4eed55d@mail.gmail.com> References: <849418030912230952i47cb8373q39b73194e7f0b5ef@mail.gmail.com> <7EE8F383-3962-48A3-8785-6BB236EE6512@economy-x-talk.com> <849418030912231006h164b5749g6110c1bca4eed55d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <89276E85-0CBA-4BD4-BBA2-E11FC9869CEE@mac.com> Fairly new to RR here, but have used HyperCard and then SuperCard at the amateur level for a while. I see in RR that you put items in GROUPS to have them appear on every card in a stack as opposed to SC where you put them in the BACKGROUND. I have a GROUP of items on a single card in a stack. When the CREATE CARD command is issued in a handler, a new card is created but the GROUP is not on it. What might I be doing wrong? Thanks! Steve From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue May 4 10:33:53 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:33:53 +0200 Subject: Newbie question In-Reply-To: <89276E85-0CBA-4BD4-BBA2-E11FC9869CEE@mac.com> References: <849418030912230952i47cb8373q39b73194e7f0b5ef@mail.gmail.com> <7EE8F383-3962-48A3-8785-6BB236EE6512@economy-x-talk.com> <849418030912231006h164b5749g6110c1bca4eed55d@mail.gmail.com> <89276E85-0CBA-4BD4-BBA2-E11FC9869CEE@mac.com> Message-ID: I was shocked, I thought for a moment that it was Steve Jobs who responded to our concerns... ;-) Le 4 mai 2010 ? 16:30, Steve Jones a ?crit : > Fairly new to RR here, but have used HyperCard and then SuperCard at the amateur level for a while. > > I see in RR that you put items in GROUPS to have them appear on every card in a stack as opposed to SC where you put them in the BACKGROUND. I have a GROUP of items on a single card in a stack. When the CREATE CARD command is issued in a handler, a new card is created but the GROUP is not on it. What might I be doing wrong? > > Thanks! > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Tue May 4 10:35:38 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:35:38 -0400 Subject: Newbie question In-Reply-To: <89276E85-0CBA-4BD4-BBA2-E11FC9869CEE@mac.com> References: <849418030912230952i47cb8373q39b73194e7f0b5ef@mail.gmail.com> <7EE8F383-3962-48A3-8785-6BB236EE6512@economy-x-talk.com> <849418030912231006h164b5749g6110c1bca4eed55d@mail.gmail.com> <89276E85-0CBA-4BD4-BBA2-E11FC9869CEE@mac.com> Message-ID: <1BA5480C-437F-470E-B2F6-F9F855B3CFBA@verizon.net> On May 4, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > I see in RR that you put items in GROUPS to have them appear on every card in a stack as opposed to SC where you put them in the BACKGROUND. I have a GROUP of items on a single card in a stack. When the CREATE CARD command is issued in a handler, a new card is created but the GROUP is not on it. What might I be doing wrong? Look in the inspector palette for the group, and see if its "Behave like a background" box is checked. From stevejones at mac.com Tue May 4 10:39:02 2010 From: stevejones at mac.com (Steve Jones) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 09:39:02 -0500 Subject: Newbie question In-Reply-To: <1BA5480C-437F-470E-B2F6-F9F855B3CFBA@verizon.net> References: <849418030912230952i47cb8373q39b73194e7f0b5ef@mail.gmail.com> <7EE8F383-3962-48A3-8785-6BB236EE6512@economy-x-talk.com> <849418030912231006h164b5749g6110c1bca4eed55d@mail.gmail.com> <89276E85-0CBA-4BD4-BBA2-E11FC9869CEE@mac.com> <1BA5480C-437F-470E-B2F6-F9F855B3CFBA@verizon.net> Message-ID: <83CEFFE5-FDD4-44BA-BA4C-D5044D749735@mac.com> Aha - that was it. Didn't even see that option. No very intuitive. You have to create a GROUP and then assign it to be a BACKGROUND rather than just going straight to a background to begin with. I guess there's more flexibility that way. Thanks! Steve On May 4, 2010, at 9:35 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > > On May 4, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > >> I see in RR that you put items in GROUPS to have them appear on every card in a stack as opposed to SC where you put them in the BACKGROUND. I have a GROUP of items on a single card in a stack. When the CREATE CARD command is issued in a handler, a new card is created but the GROUP is not on it. What might I be doing wrong? > > Look in the inspector palette for the group, and see if its "Behave like a background" box is checked. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mikekann at yahoo.com Tue May 4 10:49:56 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Newbie question In-Reply-To: <89276E85-0CBA-4BD4-BBA2-E11FC9869CEE@mac.com> Message-ID: <951058.69319.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Steve, ---------------------- Comprehensive answer ---------------------- go here: http://www.runrev.com/developers/lessons-and-tutorials/tutorials/online-scripting-conferences/ scroll down to number 6 -- groups and backgrounds download the stack ---------------------- Specific answer ---------------------- Groups themselves are objects: their properties can be inspected and set via the object inspector by using the menu command Oject--Object Inspector click on Basic Properties Near the bottom you will see a box that says: Behave like a background -- check that box The group should then think it is back in Hypercardland and appear on every card. (I just copied this desciption from Judy's stack. She's the one you need to thank). Good luck, Mike --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Steve Jones wrote: > From: Steve Jones > Subject: Newbie question > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 9:30 AM > Fairly new to RR here, but have used > HyperCard and then SuperCard at the amateur level for a > while. > > I see in RR that you put items in GROUPS to have them > appear on every card in a stack as opposed to SC where you > put them in the BACKGROUND.? I have a GROUP of items on > a single card in a stack.? When the CREATE CARD command > is issued in a handler, a new card is created but the GROUP > is not on it.? What might I be doing wrong? > > Thanks! > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From massung at gmail.com Tue May 4 10:52:56 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:52:56 -0500 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: <389424D9-44AD-4C02-B42F-2E1C60748044@gmail.com> References: <4BDF5BBC.2000300@hyperactivesw.com> <389424D9-44AD-4C02-B42F-2E1C60748044@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > Re: quoted text is treated as one word, > > > On May 3, 2010, at 7:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > Michael wrote: >> >>> Hi: I'm inclined to disagree. I would vote to keep the current behavior. >>> m >>> >> >> I could easily have overlooked some simple reason to retain it. How do you >> use it, generally? >> > > I'd like to know too, before adding a QC report. What is the advantage that > you see, apart from the nearly extinct HC legacy issue? > > > I use this "feature" quite often in almost all my Rev apps. On Windows, when applications install themselves they update the registry saying how to use various types of file extensions. For example: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\QuickTime.mov\shell\open\command "c:\Program Files\QuickTime\QuickTimePlayer.exe" "%1" I use word 1 of that registry value to get the path to the executable in a way that can also be passed off to the shell function and "just works". However, some applications don't actually need the quotes (e.g. c:\rebol\rebol.exe) and therefore don't add them. And it's quite nice that parsing the first "word" still works there, too. Now, obviously I could do this some other way, but I find this convenient enough. And aside from legacy HC apps, there's probably many "legacy" Rev apps that also make use of this functionality whether or not they come readily to mind or not. To be honest, what I'd really love would be a new chunk type called "cell" or something similar that can take many delimiters into account. For example, the cell chunk might be able to easily parse CSV tables because it understands that a comma within a quote shouldn't separate cells. Jeff M. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue May 4 10:56:08 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 07:56:08 -0700 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) Message-ID: <4BE03588.1030001@fourthworld.com> Kay C Lan wrote: > To that I say, let it happen, let market forces play out, let capitalism do > it's thing. Amen. I can't help but wonder if underlying all of this may be that Steve Jobs doesn't have faith in Apple's ability to deliver an unquestionably superior experience. He writes about how multi-platforms apps -- such as the ones we Rev folks make for the desktop -- lower the quality of the user experience. If that were the case to any degree that mattered, people simply wouldn't buy our apps, and would instead choose a truly native alternative. But in practice I see two factors that support using a "middleware" engine like Rev: 1. The quality difference is not significant enough to matter to users. My Rev-based app got a 4.5-out-of-5 review at not just any mag, but MacWorld, where the reviewer, editorial director Jason Snell, knows a thing or two about Mac UI conventions. His review never mentioned that the text in my tab controls is one pixel lower than spec. Instead, he lauded its efficiency and ease of use. The language doesn't make the software, the developers does. You can make sloppy apps in Objective-C, and you can be diligent with Rev. 2. In many cases, our is the only Mac offering available. Many of the apps I make for my clients do not have Mac-native competitors. Instead, our competitors tell their Mac customers to run their Windows apps under Parallels or Bootcamp. Few Windows developers bother to port to Mac -- why double development costs only to gain an extra 10% market potential? If we weren't able to keep our costs down by using a single code base to deliver to all three platforms, we probably wouldn't deliver for OS X at all, since we make four to eight times as much money from our Windows customers. But thanks to cross-platform tools like Rev, it's affordable to deliver for the Mac audience, and even on our worst day our UX better conforms to the Mac HIG that running a Win app under emulation. :) If we were prevented from using Rev for OS X, OS X simply wouldn't have some software categories addressed at all. Today this may not seem relevant on the iPhone OS with its 200,000 apps, but over time I think it'll start to become noticeable, esp. in vertical categories such as those most Rev developers make. If Steve Jobs believes that Apple can deliver an unquestionably superior user experience, one that matters enough to drive sales, why not let cross-platform tools continue to address vertical needs for iPhone OS as they do for OS X? Is he afraid that he'll see on the iPhone what we've all been seeing on the desktop for years, that it really doesn't matter to end-users what language is used to make an app as long as it enhances their workflow? Is he afraid that Apple won't be able to offer sufficiently compelling differentiation unless he locks developers into making apps for iPhone OS exclusively by arbitrarily raising their development costs to the point that they have to choose between iPhone or the rest of the world? I agree with your statement: Let the market decide if Rev apps are worthwhile. One significant irony in all of this is that Apple already allows one universal scripting language to be used to make app bundles for iPhone OS, with access to the accelerometer, GPS, multitouch, and other features common among modern mobile devices: JavaScript, via WebKit. With JavaScript you can use a single code base to deliver apps to multiple mobile OSes, and you could even make them as ugly as you like, and they'll be fully compliant with the new license terms. If they allow that scripting language, why not also Rev? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue May 4 11:04:39 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:04:39 +0200 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: <4BE03588.1030001@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE03588.1030001@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <095FA1EE-271C-4F4B-8AC6-7E21D984F0C5@numericable.com> YES !! Le 4 mai 2010 ? 16:56, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > Kay C Lan wrote: > >> To that I say, let it happen, let market forces play out, let capitalism do >> it's thing. > > Amen. I can't help but wonder if underlying all of this may be that Steve Jobs doesn't have faith in Apple's ability to deliver an unquestionably superior experience. > > He writes about how multi-platforms apps -- such as the ones we Rev folks make for the desktop -- lower the quality of the user experience. > > If that were the case to any degree that mattered, people simply wouldn't buy our apps, and would instead choose a truly native alternative. > > But in practice I see two factors that support using a "middleware" engine like Rev: > > > 1. The quality difference is not significant enough to matter to users. > > My Rev-based app got a 4.5-out-of-5 review at not just any mag, > but MacWorld, where the reviewer, editorial director Jason Snell, > knows a thing or two about Mac UI conventions. His review > never mentioned that the text in my tab controls is one pixel > lower than spec. Instead, he lauded its efficiency and ease > of use. > > The language doesn't make the software, the developers does. > You can make sloppy apps in Objective-C, and you can be > diligent with Rev. > > > 2. In many cases, our is the only Mac offering available. > > Many of the apps I make for my clients do not have Mac-native > competitors. Instead, our competitors tell their Mac customers > to run their Windows apps under Parallels or Bootcamp. Few > Windows developers bother to port to Mac -- why double > development costs only to gain an extra 10% market potential? > > If we weren't able to keep our costs down by using a single code > base to deliver to all three platforms, we probably wouldn't > deliver for OS X at all, since we make four to eight times as > much money from our Windows customers. > > But thanks to cross-platform tools like Rev, it's affordable > to deliver for the Mac audience, and even on our worst day our > UX better conforms to the Mac HIG that running a Win app under > emulation. :) > > If we were prevented from using Rev for OS X, OS X simply wouldn't > have some software categories addressed at all. > > Today this may not seem relevant on the iPhone OS with its > 200,000 apps, but over time I think it'll start to become > noticeable, esp. in vertical categories such as those most > Rev developers make. > > > If Steve Jobs believes that Apple can deliver an unquestionably superior user experience, one that matters enough to drive sales, why not let cross-platform tools continue to address vertical needs for iPhone OS as they do for OS X? > > Is he afraid that he'll see on the iPhone what we've all been seeing on the desktop for years, that it really doesn't matter to end-users what language is used to make an app as long as it enhances their workflow? > > Is he afraid that Apple won't be able to offer sufficiently compelling differentiation unless he locks developers into making apps for iPhone OS exclusively by arbitrarily raising their development costs to the point that they have to choose between iPhone or the rest of the world? > > > I agree with your statement: > > Let the market decide if Rev apps are worthwhile. > > > > One significant irony in all of this is that Apple already allows one universal scripting language to be used to make app bundles for iPhone OS, with access to the accelerometer, GPS, multitouch, and other features common among modern mobile devices: JavaScript, via WebKit. > > With JavaScript you can use a single code base to deliver apps to multiple mobile OSes, and you could even make them as ugly as you like, and they'll be fully compliant with the new license terms. > > If they allow that scripting language, why not also Rev? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mikekann at yahoo.com Tue May 4 11:06:44 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 08:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: <4BE03588.1030001@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <89461.2715.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Richard, Did you catch the misleading use of logic in Steve's anti-Flash explanation? He outlined a scenario whereby third-party developers would become dependent on Flash, thereby causing problems when Apple innovated faster than Adobe. But think it through. The only reason that third-party developers would become dependent on Flash would be if they could sell enough of their products to make it worthwhile. That dependency only means that people want to buy products made with Flash (or RunRev). If it were true that the products where somehow inferior then the consumers would figure it out and the developers would soon switch over also. So the quality protection explanation is completely bogus. (Which you already know I'm sure). Mike --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Richard Gaskin wrote: > From: Richard Gaskin > Subject: Re: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 9:56 AM > Kay C Lan wrote: > > > To that I say, let it happen, let market forces play > out, let capitalism do > > it's thing. > > Amen.? I can't help but wonder if underlying all of > this may be that Steve Jobs doesn't have faith in Apple's > ability to deliver an unquestionably superior experience. > > He writes about how multi-platforms apps -- such as the > ones we Rev folks make for the desktop -- lower the quality > of the user experience. > > If that were the case to any degree that mattered, people > simply wouldn't buy our apps, and would instead choose a > truly native alternative. > > But in practice I see two factors that support using a > "middleware" engine like Rev: > > > 1. The quality difference is not significant enough to > matter to users. > > ???My Rev-based app got a 4.5-out-of-5 > review at not just any mag, > ???but MacWorld, where the reviewer, > editorial director Jason Snell, > ???knows a thing or two about Mac UI > conventions.? His review > ???never mentioned that the text in my tab > controls is one pixel > ???lower than spec.? Instead, he lauded > its efficiency and ease > ???of use. > > ???The language doesn't make the software, > the developers does. > ???You can make sloppy apps in Objective-C, > and you can be > ???diligent with Rev. > > > 2. In many cases, our is the only Mac offering available. > > ???Many of the apps I make for my clients do > not have Mac-native > ???competitors.? Instead, our > competitors tell their Mac customers > ???to run their Windows apps under Parallels > or Bootcamp.? Few > ???Windows developers bother to port to Mac > -- why double > ???development costs only to gain an extra > 10% market potential? > > ???If we weren't able to keep our costs down > by using a single code > ???base to deliver to all three platforms, > we probably wouldn't > ???deliver for OS X at all, since we make > four to eight times as > ???much money from our Windows customers. > > ???But thanks to cross-platform tools like > Rev, it's affordable > ???to deliver for the Mac audience, and even > on our worst day our > ???UX better conforms to the Mac HIG that > running a Win app under > ???emulation. :) > > ???If we were prevented from using Rev for > OS X, OS X simply wouldn't > ???have some software categories addressed > at all. > > ???Today this may not seem relevant on the > iPhone OS with its > ???200,000 apps, but over time I think it'll > start to become > ???noticeable, esp. in vertical categories > such as those most > ???Rev developers make. > > > If Steve Jobs believes that Apple can deliver an > unquestionably superior user experience, one that matters > enough to drive sales, why not let cross-platform tools > continue to address vertical needs for iPhone OS as they do > for OS X? > > Is he afraid that he'll see on the iPhone what we've all > been seeing on the desktop for years, that it really doesn't > matter to end-users what language is used to make an app as > long as it enhances their workflow? > > Is he afraid that Apple won't be able to offer sufficiently > compelling differentiation unless he locks developers into > making apps for iPhone OS exclusively by arbitrarily raising > their development costs to the point that they have to > choose between iPhone or the rest of the world? > > > I agree with your statement: > > Let the market decide if Rev apps are worthwhile. > > > > One significant irony in all of this is that Apple already > allows one universal scripting language to be used to make > app bundles for iPhone OS, with access to the accelerometer, > GPS, multitouch, and other features common among modern > mobile devices:? JavaScript, via WebKit. > > With JavaScript you can use a single code base to deliver > apps to multiple mobile OSes, and you could even make them > as ugly as you like, and they'll be fully compliant with the > new license terms. > > If they allow that scripting language, why not also Rev? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From martyknapp at comcast.net Tue May 4 11:06:51 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 08:06:51 -0700 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: <4BE03588.1030001@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE03588.1030001@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4BE0380B.6050200@comcast.net> Well put, Richard. Let's hope that Apple has a change of mind on this one. Marty Knapp > Kay C Lan wrote: > >> To that I say, let it happen, let market forces play out, let >> capitalism do >> it's thing. > > Amen. I can't help but wonder if underlying all of this may be that > Steve Jobs doesn't have faith in Apple's ability to deliver an > unquestionably superior experience. > > He writes about how multi-platforms apps -- such as the ones we Rev > folks make for the desktop -- lower the quality of the user experience. > > If that were the case to any degree that mattered, people simply > wouldn't buy our apps, and would instead choose a truly native > alternative. > > But in practice I see two factors that support using a "middleware" > engine like Rev: > > > 1. The quality difference is not significant enough to matter to users. > > My Rev-based app got a 4.5-out-of-5 review at not just any mag, > but MacWorld, where the reviewer, editorial director Jason Snell, > knows a thing or two about Mac UI conventions. His review > never mentioned that the text in my tab controls is one pixel > lower than spec. Instead, he lauded its efficiency and ease > of use. > > The language doesn't make the software, the developers does. > You can make sloppy apps in Objective-C, and you can be > diligent with Rev. > > > 2. In many cases, our is the only Mac offering available. > > Many of the apps I make for my clients do not have Mac-native > competitors. Instead, our competitors tell their Mac customers > to run their Windows apps under Parallels or Bootcamp. Few > Windows developers bother to port to Mac -- why double > development costs only to gain an extra 10% market potential? > > If we weren't able to keep our costs down by using a single code > base to deliver to all three platforms, we probably wouldn't > deliver for OS X at all, since we make four to eight times as > much money from our Windows customers. > > But thanks to cross-platform tools like Rev, it's affordable > to deliver for the Mac audience, and even on our worst day our > UX better conforms to the Mac HIG that running a Win app under > emulation. :) > > If we were prevented from using Rev for OS X, OS X simply wouldn't > have some software categories addressed at all. > > Today this may not seem relevant on the iPhone OS with its > 200,000 apps, but over time I think it'll start to become > noticeable, esp. in vertical categories such as those most > Rev developers make. > > > If Steve Jobs believes that Apple can deliver an unquestionably > superior user experience, one that matters enough to drive sales, why > not let cross-platform tools continue to address vertical needs for > iPhone OS as they do for OS X? > > Is he afraid that he'll see on the iPhone what we've all been seeing > on the desktop for years, that it really doesn't matter to end-users > what language is used to make an app as long as it enhances their > workflow? > > Is he afraid that Apple won't be able to offer sufficiently compelling > differentiation unless he locks developers into making apps for iPhone > OS exclusively by arbitrarily raising their development costs to the > point that they have to choose between iPhone or the rest of the world? > > > I agree with your statement: > > Let the market decide if Rev apps are worthwhile. > > > > One significant irony in all of this is that Apple already allows one > universal scripting language to be used to make app bundles for iPhone > OS, with access to the accelerometer, GPS, multitouch, and other > features common among modern mobile devices: JavaScript, via WebKit. > > With JavaScript you can use a single code base to deliver apps to > multiple mobile OSes, and you could even make them as ugly as you > like, and they'll be fully compliant with the new license terms. > > If they allow that scripting language, why not also Rev? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue May 4 11:09:50 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:09:50 +0200 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: <4BE0380B.6050200@comcast.net> References: <4BE03588.1030001@fourthworld.com> <4BE0380B.6050200@comcast.net> Message-ID: It is on the road, no ? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703612804575222553091495816.html?mod=WSJEUROPE_hpp_LEFTTopWhatNews Particulary at the end of the article of the Wall Street Journal : "Apple could try to head off trouble with antitrust enforcers by changing the terms of its developer agreement, one person familiar with the situation said." ??!! Le 4 mai 2010 ? 17:06, Marty Knapp a ?crit : > Well put, Richard. Let's hope that Apple has a change of mind on this one. From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Tue May 4 11:12:07 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 08:12:07 -0700 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <50F91FA4-1F76-4797-9293-9E0D69A70F59@sunnyrevcode.com> Message-ID: > From: Thierry D. > > A guess : your external is launched from another stack. > > A second guess : you have already launched your external before > starting your stack, > or say other way, the previous time you launched your external, > it didn't close > properly and keep running in the IDE. I figured out what was going on. In the standalone, the "startup" handler executes properly, and my external gets loaded from the adjacent "externals" folder. In the IDE, my "startup" never gets called, so the property isn't set, but a long time ago I stuck the external into Revolution's "externals" folder, so it was using that instead. Problem solved, I guess. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue May 4 11:12:56 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 08:12:56 -0700 Subject: Newbie question Message-ID: <4BE03978.4000801@fourthworld.com> Steve Jones wrote: > On May 4, 2010, at 9:35 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: >> >> On May 4, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >>> I see in RR that you put items in GROUPS to have them appear >>> on every card in a stack as opposed to SC where you put them >>> in the BACKGROUND. I have a GROUP of items on a single card >>> in a stack. When the CREATE CARD command is issued in a handler, >>> a new card is created but the GROUP is not on it. What might >>> I be doing wrong? >> >> Look in the inspector palette for the group, and see if its > "Behave like a background" box is checked. > > Aha - that was it. Didn't even see that option. No very intuitive. Very little in computing is truly "intuitive". Like driving it's easy enough to learn, but like driving there's some learning involved. Rev's groups seem odd only if you've been using a more limited implementation such as the more HyperCard-compliant model in SC. You nailed it here: > I guess there's more flexibility that way. Lots. With HC you have only one group/background per card, but with Rev you can have as many as you like. They can be nested, and you can choose to share them across cards or not as you like. Very, very flexible indeed. PS: Rev ships with what I call "Anti-Learning Mode": for all its emphasis on the so-called "English-like" syntax, by default they don't use the actual property names for things in the Inspector, instead using labels that are ostensibly even more English-like than "English-like". :) When I'm teaching new users the first thing I suggest is that they go to Rev's Preferences and turn off Anti-Learning Mode: At the top of the Prefs window in the first section there are two radio controls in a group labeled "Property labels are:" with the options being "Description of option" and "Name of RevTalk Property". Click the latter. In my experience it greatly accelerates learning to have the Inspector set to show the actual property name, so you can see in the UI the same tokens you'll later be typing in your scripts, reinforcing the learning of the language as you do layout work. The property in question here is called "backgroundBehavior". Off by default, when set to true newly created cards will have any such shared groups automatically placed on them. You may also want to review the "place" and "remove" commands in the RevTalk dictionary, which allow you to place and remove shared groups on already-existing cards. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue May 4 11:19:08 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:19:08 -0600 Subject: Newbie question In-Reply-To: <89276E85-0CBA-4BD4-BBA2-E11FC9869CEE@mac.com> References: <849418030912230952i47cb8373q39b73194e7f0b5ef@mail.gmail.com> <7EE8F383-3962-48A3-8785-6BB236EE6512@economy-x-talk.com> <849418030912231006h164b5749g6110c1bca4eed55d@mail.gmail.com> <89276E85-0CBA-4BD4-BBA2-E11FC9869CEE@mac.com> Message-ID: On May 4, 2010, at 8:30 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > Fairly new to RR here, but have used HyperCard and then SuperCard at the amateur level for a while. > > I see in RR that you put items in GROUPS to have them appear on every card in a stack as opposed to SC where you put them in the BACKGROUND. I have a GROUP of items on a single card in a stack. When the CREATE CARD command is issued in a handler, a new card is created but the GROUP is not on it. What might I be doing wrong? Others have answered your basic question, but I can add that the concept of groups in Rev is simultaneously one of the more useful things in Rev, while at the same time one of the hardest cognitive shifts for people moving to Rev from HyperCard or SuperCard. I think that's because in Rev, groups are far more than just a replacement for backgrounds. When I introduce groups in my Rev class I tell my students that there are two main reasons for using groups: 1. To associate several controls into a single group for ease of formatting or rearranging your layout; or because the controls need to interact in some way. For example, if you want to have a set of radio-style buttons, which let the user make ?mutually-exclusive? choices, you need to group them. When you do that, Rev will automatically un-highlight previously highlighted buttons in the group. 2. To place the same controls on multiple cards. Often, for example, you may want to have buttons on every card of your stack that allow you to go to the next and previous cards in the stack. In cases like these, it is best to create the Previous/Next buttons on a card, group them, then place the group on all of the cards in the stack. The main advantage of this approach are obvious: if you have buttons that do the same thing on each card, and you use a group, the buttons stay in the same location on each card, have the same appearance on each card, and if you have to make a change to a button, you only have to do it once, instead of once for every card in the stack. Groups can appear only on one card, or can be placed on as many cards as you want, by using "Place Group" from the Object menu. Once you manually place a group on more than one card, Revolution automatically considers it a background, and its backgroundBehavior property is automatically set to true. If you are not aware of this quirk, it can cause unexpected consequences. If you want to read more, see http://revolution.byu.edu/groups/Groups.php When I first switched to Rev from HC, I was completely confused by groups. Once I got my head around the concept and figured out how they worked, I was sold and would never go back to just card layer vs. background layer. Anyway, welcome to the revolution. Hope this is useful. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From massung at gmail.com Tue May 4 11:20:49 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:20:49 -0500 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: References: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:21 PM, David Bovill >wrote: > > So to the article: > > > In forcing computer programmers to choose developing an Apple-exclusive > app > > over one that can be used on Apple and rival devices simultaneously, > critics > > say Apple is hampering competition since the expense involved in creating > an > > app will lead developers with limited budgets to focus on one format, not > > two. > > > > Sorry, but I thought that's exactly the environment the Mac has lived in > since 1984. The vast majority of developers, not just limited budget > developers, have always chosen to develop for one platform only. If this is > an Anti-Trust issue now, why hasn't it been for the last 26 years? > > I may have a unique perspective here given what I do for my job. So, if others might permit, I'm going to take the Apple situation and relate it to a situation I'm very close to... In the console video game world, let's say you want to make a Nintendo Wii game. Here's how this works: - You apply for a Nintendo license and pay some money. And almost always you'll pay more money for development hardware to test on. - You download Nintendo SDKs and program your game. Note, however, that you aren't *required* to use Nintendo's SDKs, and you could program your game in Lisp or Lua if you felt like it. The SDKs are just there to help if you want them. - Once your game is done, you submit it to Nintendo and they do what they call "lot check" (Sony calls it TRCs and MSFT calls it TCRs). This is their run at the program to ensure it doesn't crash, and doesn't prevent the user from using the features of the console, among other things. - After your game passes submission, you press the discs, box it, and stick it on store shelves... in whatever stores will purchase your game because they think they can sell it through to the final customer. - Each copy of your game that sells pays license fees to Nintendo. Now, let's compare this to Apple and talk about why Apple is bordering on Anti-Trust and Nintendo (and Sony/MSFT) is not. - Apple requires you to be a registered developer and it helps to buy target hardware. That's fine. - However, Apple also *requires* you to use their SDK. What makes that worse is due to how their SDK is put together, it's nearly impossible to use their SDK on a non-Mac OS X system. And because of how OS X is built, it doesn't run on non-Apple hardware. So, now you're locked into purchasing more Apple hardware just to program your app that has nothing to do with your target platform. - Once you application is complete, you only have a single point for distribution: the App Store. You can't sell it through Wal*Mart or Target or via some online site like Amazon. And the only legal way for the customer to install an app on their iP*d is to download it through the App Store. So, summarizing: - You are forced to purchase addition Apple hardware. - You are forced to distribute through Apple. Bottom line: no competition throughout the entire life-cycle of the final product. Jeff M. From nealk3nc at gmail.com Tue May 4 11:21:18 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:21:18 -0400 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: <4BE03588.1030001@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE03588.1030001@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Their argument on Javascript will be: 1. its ubiquitous (unlike Flash which is supposedly only on 98% of all PCs) 2. since you can only run Apple's browser and they wrote webkit, they can control what you do with javascript 3. since Jobs mentioned that xx percent of reboots due to software under OS X were caused by Flash, so it reflects on the Apple brand that the stability of their software is poor. Adobe of course will say that its Apple's fault they are not compatible with Flash since its on 98% of all computers and Apple only has 9%. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Kay C Lan wrote: > > To that I say, let it happen, let market forces play out, let capitalism >> do >> it's thing. >> > > Amen. I can't help but wonder if underlying all of this may be that Steve > Jobs doesn't have faith in Apple's ability to deliver an unquestionably > superior experience. > > He writes about how multi-platforms apps -- such as the ones we Rev folks > make for the desktop -- lower the quality of the user experience. > > If that were the case to any degree that mattered, people simply wouldn't > buy our apps, and would instead choose a truly native alternative. > > But in practice I see two factors that support using a "middleware" engine > like Rev: > > > 1. The quality difference is not significant enough to matter to users. > > My Rev-based app got a 4.5-out-of-5 review at not just any mag, > but MacWorld, where the reviewer, editorial director Jason Snell, > knows a thing or two about Mac UI conventions. His review > never mentioned that the text in my tab controls is one pixel > lower than spec. Instead, he lauded its efficiency and ease > of use. > > The language doesn't make the software, the developers does. > You can make sloppy apps in Objective-C, and you can be > diligent with Rev. > > > 2. In many cases, our is the only Mac offering available. > > Many of the apps I make for my clients do not have Mac-native > competitors. Instead, our competitors tell their Mac customers > to run their Windows apps under Parallels or Bootcamp. Few > Windows developers bother to port to Mac -- why double > development costs only to gain an extra 10% market potential? > > If we weren't able to keep our costs down by using a single code > base to deliver to all three platforms, we probably wouldn't > deliver for OS X at all, since we make four to eight times as > much money from our Windows customers. > > But thanks to cross-platform tools like Rev, it's affordable > to deliver for the Mac audience, and even on our worst day our > UX better conforms to the Mac HIG that running a Win app under > emulation. :) > > If we were prevented from using Rev for OS X, OS X simply wouldn't > have some software categories addressed at all. > > Today this may not seem relevant on the iPhone OS with its > 200,000 apps, but over time I think it'll start to become > noticeable, esp. in vertical categories such as those most > Rev developers make. > > > If Steve Jobs believes that Apple can deliver an unquestionably superior > user experience, one that matters enough to drive sales, why not let > cross-platform tools continue to address vertical needs for iPhone OS as > they do for OS X? > > Is he afraid that he'll see on the iPhone what we've all been seeing on the > desktop for years, that it really doesn't matter to end-users what language > is used to make an app as long as it enhances their workflow? > > Is he afraid that Apple won't be able to offer sufficiently compelling > differentiation unless he locks developers into making apps for iPhone OS > exclusively by arbitrarily raising their development costs to the point that > they have to choose between iPhone or the rest of the world? > > > I agree with your statement: > > Let the market decide if Rev apps are worthwhile. > > > > One significant irony in all of this is that Apple already allows one > universal scripting language to be used to make app bundles for iPhone OS, > with access to the accelerometer, GPS, multitouch, and other features common > among modern mobile devices: JavaScript, via WebKit. > > With JavaScript you can use a single code base to deliver apps to multiple > mobile OSes, and you could even make them as ugly as you like, and they'll > be fully compliant with the new license terms. > > If they allow that scripting language, why not also Rev? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue May 4 11:27:19 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:27:19 +0200 Subject: Newbie question In-Reply-To: <4BE03978.4000801@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE03978.4000801@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <8FF221AD-C8AB-4490-BE33-CC9E5B774F42@numericable.com> Le 4 mai 2010 ? 17:12, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > At the top of the Prefs window in the first section there are two radio controls in a group labeled "Property labels are:" with the options being "Description of option" and "Name of RevTalk Property". Click the latter. Thank you Richard, I don't know this feature... Very useful... We learn everyday... Ren? From nealk3nc at gmail.com Tue May 4 11:29:35 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:29:35 -0400 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: References: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Hi Jeff But what happens if MSFT or Nintendo reject your app. They hold the same power of rejection that Apple does, only with apple you have bought aa extra computer. They would also contend that since there is a healthy resale market, you can buy a used apple that they do not gain a nickle from if you purchase from a refurbisher. Not defending them because I want 3.3.1 redone just like everyone on the list but it helps to think like the opposition in these matters. But, in reality, Jobs is trying to invent reasons why they don't want Adobe in their market and it doesn't matter whether its rational or true. The SEC inquiry is exactly what we needed! Maybe its not a shame that MSFT has become the large unwieldy corporation that it has become since it also means their "go for the throat" mentality has been subdued! Apple has always been then same, only made much better products (they lead rather than imitate) which probably makes them even more sanguine. Plus, Jobs believes he is smarter than anyone else so the feedback loop that curbs some of these tendencies has been chopped off. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Jeff Massung wrote: > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Kay C Lan > wrote: > > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:21 PM, David Bovill > >wrote: > > > > So to the article: > > > > > In forcing computer programmers to choose developing an Apple-exclusive > > app > > > over one that can be used on Apple and rival devices simultaneously, > > critics > > > say Apple is hampering competition since the expense involved in > creating > > an > > > app will lead developers with limited budgets to focus on one format, > not > > > two. > > > > > > > Sorry, but I thought that's exactly the environment the Mac has lived in > > since 1984. The vast majority of developers, not just limited budget > > developers, have always chosen to develop for one platform only. If this > is > > an Anti-Trust issue now, why hasn't it been for the last 26 years? > > > > > > > I may have a unique perspective here given what I do for my job. So, if > others might permit, I'm going to take the Apple situation and relate it to > a situation I'm very close to... In the console video game world, let's say > you want to make a Nintendo Wii game. Here's how this works: > > - You apply for a Nintendo license and pay some money. And almost always > you'll pay more money for development hardware to test on. > > - You download Nintendo SDKs and program your game. Note, however, that you > aren't *required* to use Nintendo's SDKs, and you could program your game > in > Lisp or Lua if you felt like it. The SDKs are just there to help if you > want > them. > > - Once your game is done, you submit it to Nintendo and they do what they > call "lot check" (Sony calls it TRCs and MSFT calls it TCRs). This is their > run at the program to ensure it doesn't crash, and doesn't prevent the user > from using the features of the console, among other things. > > - After your game passes submission, you press the discs, box it, and stick > it on store shelves... in whatever stores will purchase your game because > they think they can sell it through to the final customer. > > - Each copy of your game that sells pays license fees to Nintendo. > > Now, let's compare this to Apple and talk about why Apple is bordering on > Anti-Trust and Nintendo (and Sony/MSFT) is not. > > - Apple requires you to be a registered developer and it helps to buy > target > hardware. That's fine. > > - However, Apple also *requires* you to use their SDK. What makes that > worse > is due to how their SDK is put together, it's nearly impossible to use > their > SDK on a non-Mac OS X system. And because of how OS X is built, it doesn't > run on non-Apple hardware. So, now you're locked into purchasing more Apple > hardware just to program your app that has nothing to do with your target > platform. > > - Once you application is complete, you only have a single point for > distribution: the App Store. You can't sell it through Wal*Mart or Target > or > via some online site like Amazon. And the only legal way for the customer > to > install an app on their iP*d is to download it through the App Store. > > So, summarizing: > > - You are forced to purchase addition Apple hardware. > - You are forced to distribute through Apple. > > Bottom line: no competition throughout the entire life-cycle of the final > product. > > Jeff M. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jerry.daniels at me.com Tue May 4 08:46:58 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 07:46:58 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <5DDB97C5-BA6A-4CBA-A51B-98B60D06BC21@comcast.net> <4BDE398E.5000409@fourthworld.com> <1272858420722-2123477.post@n4.nabble.com> <1971618988843.20100502210239@ahsoftware.net> <4BDE56AD.9000802@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: No you're not. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 4, 2010, at 3:28 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> The point of it all, is for someone like Jon to call Apple, "Appholes," >> clearly shows there IS a problem. > > Am I the only one who has a problem with Jon Stewart tacitly condoning theft? > > Regards, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Tue May 4 11:49:13 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 08:49:13 -0700 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: References: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <88B0FE60320141F3A4A8757E45B22DBC@GATEWAY> > So, summarizing: > > - You are forced to purchase addition Apple hardware. > - You are forced to distribute through Apple. > > Bottom line: no competition throughout the entire life-cycle > of the final product. At least you don't have to buy cartridges from Nintendo any more. That's was a killer when I was involved in the console market back in the early 90s. I agree with where you are coming from on this. End-to-end, every portion is controlled. If you re-read Thoughts on Flash, you can see that SJ views the mobile market as a "next market" after the PC; its clear what the goal is. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From bobs at twft.com Mon May 3 20:29:39 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 17:29:39 -0700 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BDDC5F5.6050207@gmail.com> References: <4BDDC3C8.1060002@hyperactivesw.com> <4BDDC5F5.6050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: Spookier still is to consider what ungodly combination of space alien and furry marmot gave birth to Barney. > Surely the spookiest thing of all is that Barney is still alive . . . :) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Tue May 4 12:03:11 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:03:11 -0700 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <69B16B2A-DCB5-497C-9C1D-294AFA505944@me.com> References: <13AA7967-BC4B-45C0-BA04-6E48C4E8FE58@me.com> <69B16B2A-DCB5-497C-9C1D-294AFA505944@me.com> Message-ID: The first version sounded more pithy. It had me thinking for 5 whole minutes. Bob On May 2, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Oops. Getting late. Meant to say: > > The best way to PREDICT the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels From massung at gmail.com Tue May 4 12:13:53 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:13:53 -0500 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: References: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Neal Campbell wrote: > Hi Jeff > > But what happens if MSFT or Nintendo reject your app. They hold the same > power of rejection that Apple does, Not true. The idea of "reject" isn't quite the same in the console context as it is for Apple and the App Store. To simplify this greatly, Nintendo or MSFT actually agrees to your app long before you ever get to the submission process. This is the process of acquiring a title ID for your application. Some publishers do it late in the process and others do it very early - even before they enter into production. Once you have a title ID, your game has been "accepted". It should be noted that the only times I've ever seen an app get rejected at this stage is if it goes way beyond what the console wants to be equated with in the public eye. For example, making a pornography game on the Nintendo likely wouldn't get a title ID. The submission process is very different from getting a title ID. This is nothing more than a glorified QA. It's when the console maker ensures that you handle crazy situations: player removes the DVD while the game is running, unplugs a controller, turns off the console during a save, leaves the game running for days on end to test for memory fragmentation/leaks, etc. Your game may be "rejected" at this stage, but only is as much as you fix the bugs and resubmit. Once the bugs are gone, you're "gold". Jeff M. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue May 4 12:14:05 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 09:14:05 -0700 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) Message-ID: <4BE047CD.6060401@fourthworld.com> David Bovill wrote: > Richard and others have made this point - but I think the figures are > misleading. From memory there are two figures that stick in my head - and it > would be great to have them discussed, trashed or verified on this list :) > > First that 97% of mobile app revenues are on the iPhone - this one I find > hard to believe, though I can also understand how this could be possible. > I'll dig out the bookmark I have for that one if it proves to be > controversial :) Second that 80% or there abouts of mobile phone web > browsing of sites are from iPhone users - that one was from Mr Jobs KeyNote > - but there could be some independent source somewhere - again I can > understand why that may be the case - it is one thing having a phone that > can send MMS or browse the web in theory, and another to get users actually > to use the stuff, or better still actually pay for it (in terms of app or > media purchases) - iPhone OS is leagues ahead of everyone at the moment on > these fronts. > > The figures that indicate the real battle are the projected ones and the > ones that refer to the (very) recent growth of Android - these are promising > but not yet solid. Yet. So much hinges on those three letters. I don't think the market share stats I quoted from Computerworld/WSJ are any more or less misleading that others (for those that missed it they're here: ). Stats are both rewarding and challenging because the different methodologies used provide different views into the data. And like any study of macroeconomics, there will always be disagreement about what they mean. :) Given the variety of projected outcomes from these various methodologies, from "iPhone will rule the world!" to Gartner's suggestion that iPhone OS will be overtaken by Android in under 24 months (see ), I think it's prudent to take them all into consideration. It's true that the Apple audience in general, and particularly the subset of that audience that are early adopters of new technologies, tend to spend more on related third-party products like apps. Being a sort of "boutique" vendor with high margins and focusing on quality over affordability, Apple has a solid niche that has earned it tens of billions in retained earnings, even with its 10% desktop share and 24% mobile share. Consistent with this, while Apple has a 10% share on the desktop most of our products make 25% of their revenue from Mac sales, two and half times greater per capita than we get from the Win market. But that is per capita. As more capita come on board, the totals change dramatically. Not everyone drives a Volvo, but everyone needs tires. So for us app developers, another useful metric is app revenue. But even here we see some variance when it comes to determining what these numbers mean. Consider this attention-grabbing headline: Estimate: Top 1000 iPad apps making $372k a day That sounds like a gold mine! Well, kinda. If you examine the underlying math, it paints a picture we could politely call "mixed". The crux of the numbers comes down to this portion of the article: By their reasoning, the top paid app in the store sells about 5k copies per day, with the number two app selling about 3k, the number three app about 2.5k, and so on. Vimov estimates that everyone in the top 100 list, when you add them all together, is making about US$304,058 on any given day. The shelf drops off from there -- in the top 1000, developers are making about $372,000, and past that, they're obviously making less. If I read that right, here's the breakdown: The top 100 are collectively making $304k/day and the top 1000 are making $372k/day, which means that those who are in the top 1000 but below the top 100 (the lower 900) are collectively making only $68k. Split that among 900 apps and that's $75.50 per app per day. And then there are the other 180,000 apps. With the top 100 collectively making $304k and the next 900 making $68k, at that dropoff rate we can expect the second best-selling 1000 apps in the AppStore to make about $17k split among them all, and the third best-selling 1000 to make about 4k. Then it goes down from there for the other 150,000 apps, ranging from $4 per day per app down to zero. Meanwhile, the current minimum wage in California is $8/hr. In an eight-hour day a worker with very few skills can make $64. :) So while an Apple advocate could say "iPhone OS deployment will make you rich!", a naysayer could say, "You can make more money flipping burgers". :) Same math, different perspectives. While the iPhone OS is attractive to me and my clients, as is Android and the rest of the mobile market, I have to acknowledge that my desktop apps -- where I'm able to use a high-level tool like Rev to deploy at much lower cost than I would incur using Objective-C -- make a lot more money every day than every iPhone app below the top 100. And compared to the average, my desktop apps are pulling in several orders of magnitude more money that most iPhone apps, certainly more than the bottom 150,000 App Store offerings who make next to nothing. Which brings us to this point: > Like a few others on this list I am now pretty convinced that the PC market > is about to be dramatically overtaken by the new mobile market in terms of > sales and new software developments. Apple and others will be quite happy to > leave the desktop market to the web and to open source strategies - they > simply will not be interested in closing this market - let Google have it. As a shareholder, I hope not. For all the attention mobile devices are getting as The Next Big Thing, this survey suggests a role that's more complimentary to the desktop than a replacement for it: Survey finds 16GB iPad 3G most popular, not viewed as PC replacement ... Similar to Um's survey of iPad buyers for the Wi-Fi-only launch on April 3, most -- 94 percent -- said the iPad will not replace their computers. Most said they will use the device for Web browsing, media content viewing and other personal entertainment. Only a handful said the primary use of the device would be for reading. I see phones and tablets as only a beginning of an increased diversity of the computing ecosystem, in which we can also expect heads-up displays to play a role within a year or two. In the organic ecosystem, we didn't see reptiles disappear when mammals came on the scene, but instead saw a greater proliferation and variety of them both. I see the same for computing: When I was a kid the word "computerized" was used fairly commonly, but now even our cars have a PPC processor in them and everything is computerized, so the word has lost its usefulness as a distinction. So now phones have computers in them too. Next will be refrigerators (some already do), and a host of other gadgets that haven't been invented yet. These will come in all shapes and sizes, each addressing a different set of tasks. And amidst all this variety, I see a role for a general-purpose do-it-all device for at least another few years, much as we have now with our laptops, desktops, and netbooks. I think Apple does too, and very much look forward to OS XI. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Tue May 4 12:17:21 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:17:21 +0200 Subject: OT/maybe On-Rev related: free Yourname.TK domains Message-ID: <511B544B-D4ED-4A4C-A1B3-036631E5185F@m-r-d.de> Dear all, maybe this is of interest for some of you. Everyone can register an unlimited amount of free .tk domains at http://www.dot.tk. This might be of special interest for the on-rev users, because one can setup the domain to use ones own (in this case the on-rev) nameservers. Works great. The domains are definitively free. Only some special names like "revolution" are reserved for buying. There is only one condition: There must be at least 25 hits within 90 days to your domain. Regards, Matthias From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 4 12:32:13 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 19:32:13 +0300 Subject: OT/maybe On-Rev related: free Yourname.TK domains In-Reply-To: <511B544B-D4ED-4A4C-A1B3-036631E5185F@m-r-d.de> References: <511B544B-D4ED-4A4C-A1B3-036631E5185F@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <4BE04C0D.8020006@gmail.com> On 04/05/2010 19:17, Matthias Rebbe wrote: > Dear all, > > maybe this is of interest for some of you. > > Everyone can register an unlimited amount of free .tk domains at http://www.dot.tk. .tk: Tokelau, a country in the South Pacific > This might be of special interest for the on-rev users, because one can setup the domain to use ones own (in this case the on-rev) nameservers. > Works great. The domains are definitively free. Only some special names like "revolution" are reserved for buying. > > There is only one condition: There must be at least 25 hits within 90 days to your domain. > That is dead easy; set up your domain as the home-page for you browser . . . :) From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue May 4 12:35:15 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:35:15 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <149990DA-341A-48D5-BC4C-DB47B01F2574@numericable.com> References: <20100504052015.PSTI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7DDBC7C5-4408-447B-B119-047CC0BF254A@numericable.com> <149990DA-341A-48D5-BC4C-DB47B01F2574@numericable.com> Message-ID: I still have my working SE-30, which still has big screen capability, 10Base-T Ethernet, and an accelerator. Last use was to be an SMTP and FTP server - worked well. I'm keeping that unit, but am giving my other Mac history items away - any luddites in SF call me before they become e-waste. I have an 9600, 8100, and 7100, a cube, and an iMac. On 4 May 2010 02:53, Ren? Micout wrote: > Definitively incomparable : IT IS TRUE !! How can one not be fetish after > that ? > The serial number of my first Mac 128 K is F5?128RM0001WP : > The first number of "my initials" series... > > Le 4 mai 2010 ? 11:41, Kay C Lan a ?crit : > > > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Ren? Micout >wrote: > > > >> Perhaps I am a morbid aesthetic and perhaps a morbid fetish > I have my > >> first 128 K Macintosh (1984) on a shelf above my new iMac (2009) !! ;-) > >> > >> > >> I'm definitely jealous. Mine was a 512K Enhanced. Long since given away. > > But each month I get to revel in OS 7.6.1 when I crank up the old Centris > > 650 + Laserwriter Select 300. > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From randall at randallreetz.com Tue May 4 12:44:20 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:44:20 -0700 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) Message-ID: <20100504164422.RYDZ23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Wow, I completely disagree. Apps aren't apples. Apps are apples and oranges and anteaters. The basis of your argument is that materials have more to do with desire than the finished product. That would be akin to art historians only comparing art by the paint used. That steve jobs is up to something bigger than his words imply is obvious. There was a time when he had a conscience (in the person of the Woz). There was a time when Jobs espoused absolute openness (even all board meetings and payroll was open to all employees at next). But I do think that all of this has to do with a fed up reaction to the north korea of software houses: adobe. It is just too bad he didn't come right out and say it... -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kann Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:06 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) Richard, Did you catch the misleading use of logic in Steve's anti-Flash explanation? He outlined a scenario whereby third-party developers would become dependent on Flash, thereby causing problems when Apple innovated faster than Adobe. But think it through. The only reason that third-party developers would become dependent on Flash would be if they could sell enough of their products to make it worthwhile. That dependency only means that people want to buy products made with Flash (or RunRev). If it were true that the products where somehow inferior then the consumers would figure it out and the developers would soon switch over also. So the quality protection explanation is completely bogus. (Which you already know I'm sure). Mike --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Richard Gaskin wrote: > From: Richard Gaskin > Subject: Re: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 9:56 AM > Kay C Lan wrote: > > > To that I say, let it happen, let market forces play > out, let capitalism do > > it's thing. > > Amen.? I can't help but wonder if underlying all of > this may be that Steve Jobs doesn't have faith in Apple's > ability to deliver an unquestionably superior experience. > > He writes about how multi-platforms apps -- such as the > ones we Rev folks make for the desktop -- lower the quality > of the user experience. > > If that were the case to any degree that mattered, people > simply wouldn't buy our apps, and would instead choose a > truly native alternative. > > But in practice I see two factors that support using a > "middleware" engine like Rev: > > > 1. The quality difference is not significant enough to > matter to users. > > ???My Rev-based app got a 4.5-out-of-5 > review at not just any mag, > ???but MacWorld, where the reviewer, > editorial director Jason Snell, > ???knows a thing or two about Mac UI > conventions.? His review > ???never mentioned that the text in my tab > controls is one pixel > ???lower than spec.? Instead, he lauded > its efficiency and ease > ???of use. > > ???The language doesn't make the software, > the developers does. > ???You can make sloppy apps in Objective-C, > and you can be > ???diligent with Rev. > > > 2. In many cases, our is the only Mac offering available. > > ???Many of the apps I make for my clients do > not have Mac-native > ???competitors.? Instead, our > competitors tell their Mac customers > ???to run their Windows apps under Parallels > or Bootcamp.? Few > ???Windows developers bother to port to Mac > -- why double > ???development costs only to gain an extra > 10% market potential? > > ???If we weren't able to keep our costs down > by using a single code > ???base to deliver to all three platforms, > we probably wouldn't > ???deliver for OS X at all, since we make > four to eight times as > ???much money from our Windows customers. > > ???But thanks to cross-platform tools like > Rev, it's affordable > ???to deliver for the Mac audience, and even > on our worst day our > ???UX better conforms to the Mac HIG that > running a Win app under > ???emulation. :) > > ???If we were prevented from using Rev for > OS X, OS X simply wouldn't > ???have some software categories addressed > at all. > > ???Today this may not seem relevant on the > iPhone OS with its > ???200,000 apps, but over time I think it'll > start to become > ???noticeable, esp. in vertical categories > such as those most > ???Rev developers make. > > > If Steve Jobs believes that Apple can deliver an > unquestionably superior user experience, one that matters > enough to drive sales, why not let cross-platform tools > continue to address vertical needs for iPhone OS as they do > for OS X? > > Is he afraid that he'll see on the iPhone what we've all > been seeing on the desktop for years, that it really doesn't > matter to end-users what language is used to make an app as > long as it enhances their workflow? > > Is he afraid that Apple won't be able to offer sufficiently > compelling differentiation unless he locks developers into > making apps for iPhone OS exclusively by arbitrarily raising > their development costs to the point that they have to > choose between iPhone or the rest of the world? > > > I agree with your statement: > > Let the market decide if Rev apps are worthwhile. > > > > One significant irony in all of this is that Apple already > allows one universal scripting language to be used to make > app bundles for iPhone OS, with access to the accelerometer, > GPS, multitouch, and other features common among modern > mobile devices:? JavaScript, via WebKit. > > With JavaScript you can use a single code base to deliver > apps to multiple mobile OSes, and you could even make them > as ugly as you like, and they'll be fully compliant with the > new license terms. > > If they allow that scripting language, why not also Rev? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue May 4 12:44:33 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:44:33 +0200 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100504052015.PSTI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7DDBC7C5-4408-447B-B119-047CC0BF254A@numericable.com> <149990DA-341A-48D5-BC4C-DB47B01F2574@numericable.com> Message-ID: <6C4B7BB0-863F-472C-9931-D84F8982B519@numericable.com> I have also a SE30, II FX and all my portables (Mac Portable, PB170, PB9400, PB G3 (black), PB Titanium, PB G4 12") All the others have been recycled... snif... :-( I only keep the Mac on which I worked Le 4 mai 2010 ? 18:35, stephen barncard a ?crit : > I still have my working SE-30, which still has big screen capability, > 10Base-T Ethernet, and an accelerator. Last use was to be an SMTP and FTP > server - worked well. > > I'm keeping that unit, but am giving my other Mac history items away - any > luddites in SF call me before they become e-waste. I have an 9600, 8100, > and 7100, a cube, and an iMac. From martyknapp at comcast.net Tue May 4 12:55:31 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 09:55:31 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100504052015.PSTI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7DDBC7C5-4408-447B-B119-047CC0BF254A@numericable.com> <149990DA-341A-48D5-BC4C-DB47B01F2574@numericable.com> Message-ID: <4BE05183.9000801@comcast.net> I have a client that sometimes works for lawyers as an expert witness doing economic loss analysis. I think he charges $300 an hour. And he does all his calculations on a 1985 SE/30 running Excel 2.0. I put its second hard drive in about 5 years ago and recently swapped out the motherboard as it was starting to act a little flaky. Not bad for a 25 year old computer. Marty Knapp > I still have my working SE-30, which still has big screen capability, > 10Base-T Ethernet, and an accelerator. Last use was to be an SMTP and FTP > server - worked well. > > I'm keeping that unit, but am giving my other Mac history items away - any > luddites in SF call me before they become e-waste. I have an 9600, 8100, > and 7100, a cube, and an iMac. > > > From jerry.daniels at me.com Tue May 4 13:04:03 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 12:04:03 -0500 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <4BE05183.9000801@comcast.net> References: <20100504052015.PSTI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7DDBC7C5-4408-447B-B119-047CC0BF254A@numericable.com> <149990DA-341A-48D5-BC4C-DB47B01F2574@numericable.com> <4BE05183.9000801@comcast.net> Message-ID: <992930EB-230E-482B-8351-3B8FF7AB9DE8@me.com> Marty, ironic profession and specialty for your client to have given the context of this thread (more like a rug than a thread)! Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 4, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Marty Knapp wrote: > I have a client that sometimes works for lawyers as an expert witness doing economic loss analysis. I think he charges $300 an hour. And he does all his calculations on a 1985 SE/30 running Excel 2.0. I put its second hard drive in about 5 years ago and recently swapped out the motherboard as it was starting to act a little flaky. Not bad for a 25 year old computer. > > Marty Knapp >> I still have my working SE-30, which still has big screen capability, >> 10Base-T Ethernet, and an accelerator. Last use was to be an SMTP and FTP >> server - worked well. >> >> I'm keeping that unit, but am giving my other Mac history items away - any >> luddites in SF call me before they become e-waste. I have an 9600, 8100, >> and 7100, a cube, and an iMac. >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Tue May 4 13:03:11 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:03:11 -0700 Subject: OT/maybe On-Rev related: free Yourname.TK domains In-Reply-To: <511B544B-D4ED-4A4C-A1B3-036631E5185F@m-r-d.de> References: <511B544B-D4ED-4A4C-A1B3-036631E5185F@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <18243D3F185241578CDA992A7962F00A@GATEWAY> > Everyone can register an unlimited amount of free .tk > domains at http://www.dot.tk. What is sorta fun is entering common words to see how much they want to charge you for those domains. There's clearly some sort of sophisticated system set up to figure out what the value is of a domain. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue May 4 13:05:14 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 12:05:14 -0500 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <1241711874593.20100503225044@ahsoftware.net> References: <20100503194756.5992A288083@mail.runrev.com> <1241711874593.20100503225044@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4BE053CA.4000907@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Wieder wrote: > > Try this in a button: > > on mouseUp > answer file "where is the library file?" > if it is not empty then > set the externals of this stack to it > save this stack > revert > end if > end mouseUp > That's pretty much the same as the test I asked Graham to do before, except that I told him to use the inspector to set the externals to a hard-coded file path instead of using a script. But the results are the same either way, and as Thierry rightfully pointed out, this method isn't portable. If the external changes location, it all breaks. The best way to install an external into the IDE is to use Rev's user data folder, where plugins, externals, and other resources are stored. On a Mac, that's in: ~/Documents/My Revolution /Externals If the folder does not yet exist, just create it. You don't need to edit a text file when you use this folder, just drop the external in and restart Rev. The folder isn't touched when a new version of Rev is installed, so anything you store there is permanent across updates (which is its reason for existing.) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From martyknapp at comcast.net Tue May 4 13:05:26 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 10:05:26 -0700 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: References: <4BDDC3C8.1060002@hyperactivesw.com> <4BDDC5F5.6050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BE053D6.20900@comcast.net> Actually Barney is the Antichrist. For proof: on BarneyCode put "CUTE PURPLE DINOSAUR" Into IsBarneyTheAntiChrist put 0 into TheNumberThatWillProveIt replace "U" with "V" in IsBarneyTheAntiChrist --Should be proper Latin- well, because repeat with x=1 to the number of chars of IsBarneyTheAntiChrist if char x of IsBarneyTheAntiChrist is in "C,V,L,D,I" then --Only use letters that are Roman Numerals add romanToArab(char x of IsBarneyTheAntiChrist) to TheNumberThatWillProveIt end if end repeat answer warning TheNumberThatWillProveIt end BarneyCode --function by Mark Schonewille function romanToArab theNumber put "i,v,x,l,c,d,m" into myRomans put "1,5,10,50,100,500,1000" into myArabs put item itemoffset(last char of theNumber,myRomans) of myArabs into myNumber repeat with x = (number of chars of theNumber - 1) down to 1 put item itemoffset(char x of theNumber,myRomans) of myArabs into myTemp1 put item itemoffset(char x + 1 of theNumber,myRomans) of myArabs into myTemp2 if myTemp1 < myTemp2 then subtract myTemp1 from myNumber else add myTemp1 to myNumber end repeat return myNumber end romanToArab Marty Knapp P.S. My apologies ahead of time if I offended your religious, non-religious, or irreligious sensibilities. P.S. #2 I hope Mark doesn't mind me using his function for this silliness > Spookier still is to consider what ungodly combination of space alien and furry marmot gave birth to Barney. > > >> Surely the spookiest thing of all is that Barney is still alive . . . :) >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From randall at randallreetz.com Tue May 4 13:09:58 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:09:58 -0700 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) Message-ID: <20100504171001.CINI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> What everyone here seems to forget is that flash finally took vector graphics powered by very tightly packed and efficiently executed byte code to a web that choked up by static bit maps. It was long overdue. Problem is that it never belonged at the plugin level. Now steve is trying to right this architectural wrong, but from the same messed up closed system protectionist motivation that drove macromedia to make the same mistake. Infrastructure is infrastructure. It serves no one to build a private interstate highway system. haven't we learned this yet? I am all for antitrust laws but only when those writing and enforcing them understand them at a deeper level than simple market competition. Obama is a smart guy. He is appointing smart prosecutors and judges and giving them the right mandates. Something of merit will come of this standoff and what motivates it. But I do remember the ridiculous apple antitrust suit against microsoft. Who built the windows mouse metaphor... xerox. The truth has a way of bubbling up. What bothers me is how willing the public is to forgive (even become apologists for) criminal or short sighted minds when those minds get rich being "better at being wrong than I am". What color is the money you make? -----Original Message----- From: Randall Lee Reetz Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:44 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) Wow, I completely disagree. Apps aren't apples. Apps are apples and oranges and anteaters. The basis of your argument is that materials have more to do with desire than the finished product. That would be akin to art historians only comparing art by the paint used. That steve jobs is up to something bigger than his words imply is obvious. There was a time when he had a conscience (in the person of the Woz). There was a time when Jobs espoused absolute openness (even all board meetings and payroll was open to all employees at next). But I do think that all of this has to do with a fed up reaction to the north korea of software houses: adobe. It is just too bad he didn't come right out and say it... -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kann Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:06 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) Richard, Did you catch the misleading use of logic in Steve's anti-Flash explanation? He outlined a scenario whereby third-party developers would become dependent on Flash, thereby causing problems when Apple innovated faster than Adobe. But think it through. The only reason that third-party developers would become dependent on Flash would be if they could sell enough of their products to make it worthwhile. That dependency only means that people want to buy products made with Flash (or RunRev). If it were true that the products where somehow inferior then the consumers would figure it out and the developers would soon switch over also. So the quality protection explanation is completely bogus. (Which you already know I'm sure). Mike --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Richard Gaskin wrote: > From: Richard Gaskin > Subject: Re: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 9:56 AM > Kay C Lan wrote: > > > To that I say, let it happen, let market forces play > out, let capitalism do > > it's thing. > > Amen.? I can't help but wonder if underlying all of > this may be that Steve Jobs doesn't have faith in Apple's > ability to deliver an unquestionably superior experience. > > He writes about how multi-platforms apps -- such as the > ones we Rev folks make for the desktop -- lower the quality > of the user experience. > > If that were the case to any degree that mattered, people > simply wouldn't buy our apps, and would instead choose a > truly native alternative. > > But in practice I see two factors that support using a > "middleware" engine like Rev: > > > 1. The quality difference is not significant enough to > matter to users. > > ???My Rev-based app got a 4.5-out-of-5 > review at not just any mag, > ???but MacWorld, where the reviewer, > editorial director Jason Snell, > ???knows a thing or two about Mac UI > conventions.? His review > ???never mentioned that the text in my tab > controls is one pixel > ???lower than spec.? Instead, he lauded > its efficiency and ease > ???of use. > > ???The language doesn't make the software, > the developers does. > ???You can make sloppy apps in Objective-C, > and you can be > ???diligent with Rev. > > > 2. In many cases, our is the only Mac offering available. > > ???Many of the apps I make for my clients do > not have Mac-native > ???competitors.? Instead, our > competitors tell their Mac customers > ???to run their Windows apps under Parallels > or Bootcamp.? Few > ???Windows developers bother to port to Mac > -- why double > ???development costs only to gain an extra > 10% market potential? > > ???If we weren't able to keep our costs down > by using a single code > ???base to deliver to all three platforms, > we probably wouldn't > ???deliver for OS X at all, since we make > four to eight times as > ???much money from our Windows customers. > > ???But thanks to cross-platform tools like > Rev, it's affordable > ???to deliver for the Mac audience, and even > on our worst day our > ???UX better conforms to the Mac HIG that > running a Win app under > ???emulation. :) > > ???If we were prevented from using Rev for > OS X, OS X simply wouldn't > ???have some software categories addressed > at all. > > ???Today this may not seem relevant on the > iPhone OS with its > ???200,000 apps, but over time I think it'll > start to become > ???noticeable, esp. in vertical categories > such as those most > ???Rev developers make. > > > If Steve Jobs believes that Apple can deliver an > unquestionably superior user experience, one that matters > enough to drive sales, why not let cross-platform tools > continue to address vertical needs for iPhone OS as they do > for OS X? > > Is he afraid that he'll see on the iPhone what we've all > been seeing on the desktop for years, that it really doesn't > matter to end-users what language is used to make an app as > long as it enhances their workflow? > > Is he afraid that Apple won't be able to offer sufficiently > compelling differentiation unless he locks developers into > making apps for iPhone OS exclusively by arbitrarily raising > their development costs to the point that they have to > choose between iPhone or the rest of the world? > > > I agree with your statement: > > Let the market decide if Rev apps are worthwhile. > > > > One significant irony in all of this is that Apple already > allows one universal scripting language to be used to make > app bundles for iPhone OS, with access to the accelerometer, > GPS, multitouch, and other features common among modern > mobile devices:? JavaScript, via WebKit. > > With JavaScript you can use a single code base to deliver > apps to multiple mobile OSes, and you could even make them > as ugly as you like, and they'll be fully compliant with the > new license terms. > > If they allow that scripting language, why not also Rev? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 4 13:12:49 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 20:12:49 +0300 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: <6C4B7BB0-863F-472C-9931-D84F8982B519@numericable.com> References: <20100504052015.PSTI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7DDBC7C5-4408-447B-B119-047CC0BF254A@numericable.com> <149990DA-341A-48D5-BC4C-DB47B01F2574@numericable.com> <6C4B7BB0-863F-472C-9931-D84F8982B519@numericable.com> Message-ID: <4BE05591.5050406@gmail.com> On 04/05/2010 19:44, Ren? Micout wrote: > I have also a SE30, II FX and all my portables (Mac Portable, PB170, PB9400, PB G3 (black), PB Titanium, PB G4 12") > All the others have been recycled... snif... :-( > I only keep the Mac on which I worked > > Le 4 mai 2010 ? 18:35, stephen barncard a ?crit : > >> I still have my working SE-30, which still has big screen capability, >> 10Base-T Ethernet, and an accelerator. Last use was to be an SMTP and FTP >> server - worked well. >> >> I'm keeping that unit, but am giving my other Mac history items away - any >> luddites in SF call me before they become e-waste. I have an 9600, 8100, >> and 7100, a cube, and an iMac. Most of my computers are stored in the attic of my house in Scotland, so I only get to see them about every 2 years; however it is always a pleasure to find that my 5260CD is still quite a good machine for basic WP and internet stuff when I am over there and using dial-up via modem for a couple of weeks. I can see no reason to get rid of them; love working with RunRev 1.1.1 on system 8.1; makes me realise how far we have all come since then; yet, in some respects, the whole experience was a lot cleaner then. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue May 4 13:15:14 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 12:15:14 -0500 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BE05622.3060500@hyperactivesw.com> Paul D. DeRocco wrote: >> From: J. Landman Gay >> >>> If so, then it looks like I could >>> simplify my code, and just do everything in the "startup" handler. >> That's what I do. :) > > Okay, now I'm a little puzzled. I removed all the old stuff about creating a > template stack, adding the externals property to it, and then using it to > create a dummy stack. I then added the following code to my main stack > script: > > on startup > if the platform is "Win32" then > set the externals of stack "main" to "externals/midi.dll" > else > set the externals of stack "main" to "externals/midi.bundle" > end if > end startup > > I can now successfully call my external, both under the IDE and as a > standalone. However, when I examine the property sheet for my main stack > under the IDE, the property doesn't exist. If I go into the Message Box and > type > > put the externalPackages of stack "main" > > to see what's actually loaded, it lists nothing either. Yet it must be > there, because it's working. Shouldn't both properties exist? In the IDE, the startup handler won't run in your stack. Startup is sent to Rev's Home stack when Rev starts up, and is never set again. Rev scans the externals in its own externals folder and in the user data folder and loads everything before the IDE stacks appear. If you ask for the externalPackages of Rev's home stack, you'll see what you expect. Your standalone is loading the external in its own startup handler when it launches. In the IDE, your stack won't have any externals set. In the standalone, it will. If you're curious, you could rebuild your test standalone to check its externals after it's fully open and report them. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 4 13:16:50 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 20:16:50 +0300 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BE053D6.20900@comcast.net> References: <4BDDC3C8.1060002@hyperactivesw.com> <4BDDC5F5.6050207@gmail.com> <4BE053D6.20900@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BE05682.3040602@gmail.com> On 04/05/2010 20:05, Marty Knapp wrote: > Actually Barney is the Antichrist. For proof: > > on BarneyCode > put "CUTE PURPLE DINOSAUR" Into IsBarneyTheAntiChrist > put 0 into TheNumberThatWillProveIt > replace "U" with "V" in IsBarneyTheAntiChrist --Should be proper > Latin- well, because > repeat with x=1 to the number of chars of IsBarneyTheAntiChrist > if char x of IsBarneyTheAntiChrist is in "C,V,L,D,I" then --Only > use letters that are Roman Numerals > add romanToArab(char x of IsBarneyTheAntiChrist) to > TheNumberThatWillProveIt > end if > end repeat > answer warning TheNumberThatWillProveIt > end BarneyCode > > --function by Mark Schonewille > function romanToArab theNumber > put "i,v,x,l,c,d,m" into myRomans > put "1,5,10,50,100,500,1000" into myArabs > put item itemoffset(last char of theNumber,myRomans) of myArabs > into myNumber > repeat with x = (number of chars of theNumber - 1) down to 1 > put item itemoffset(char x of theNumber,myRomans) of myArabs > into myTemp1 > put item itemoffset(char x + 1 of theNumber,myRomans) of > myArabs into myTemp2 > if myTemp1 < myTemp2 then > subtract myTemp1 from myNumber > else add myTemp1 to myNumber > end repeat > return myNumber > end romanToArab > > Marty Knapp > > P.S. My apologies ahead of time if I offended your religious, > non-religious, or irreligious sensibilities. > P.S. #2 I hope Mark doesn't mind me using his function for this silliness At the further risk of offending anybody's sensibilities of any sort, the antiChrist has always struck me a similar to Barney; all bluff and bluster and once you ask him some leading question he disappears in puff of smoke and you realise he was little more than a figment of your own insecurities. Mind you, he may not be purple . . . :) From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 4 13:22:25 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 20:22:25 +0300 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: <20100504171001.CINI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100504171001.CINI18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4BE057D1.5060804@gmail.com> On 04/05/2010 20:09, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > What everyone here seems to forget is that flash finally took vector graphics powered by very tightly packed and efficiently executed byte code to a web that choked up by static bit maps. It was long overdue. Problem is that it never belonged at the plugin level. Now steve is trying to right this architectural wrong, but from the same messed up closed system protectionist motivation that drove macromedia to make the same mistake. Infrastructure is infrastructure. It serves no one to build a private interstate highway system. haven't we learned this yet? I am all for antitrust laws but only when those writing and enforcing them understand them at a deeper level than simple market competition. Obama is a smart guy. He is appointing smart prosecutors and judges and giving them the right mandates. Something of merit will come of this standoff and what motivates it. But I do remember the ridiculous apple antitrust suit against microsoft. Who built the windows mouse metaphor... xerox. The truth has a way of bubbling up. > > What bothers me is how willing the public is to forgive (even become apologists for) criminal or short sighted minds when those minds get rich being "better at being wrong than I am". > > What color is the money you make? > > Let's see: 2 lev notes are purple, 5 lev notes are red, 10 lev notes are yellow-brown, 20 lev notes are blue, 50 lev notes are also yellow-brown (but a different size from the 10s) and the 100 lev ones (of which I see very few) are green. More to the point; I don't know how those notes have come to me; how the parents of the children I teach have earned them, and so on: what I do know is that I do my job as best I can and that money pays for the bread and cheese. I don't vet the people who pay me to find out how honest they are; for starters it would be plain offensive, I'd lose all my pupils in double-quick time, and don't quite see the point. Money has no smell; what does smell is how it is obtained; mine smells reasonably rosey. I hope the same can be said for you. From bobs at twft.com Tue May 4 13:26:26 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:26:26 -0700 Subject: AW: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip In-Reply-To: <001401caeb77$2e4a7e70$8adf7b50$@de> References: <000f01caea8d$70bb93b0$5232bb10$@de> <001401caeb77$2e4a7e70$8adf7b50$@de> Message-ID: My gut feeling is that because zipping and unzipping files do not literally move the files, but rather create new copies of the original, it would be up to the zip application developer to reset flags to the original file's state. The OS is doing exactly what it is being told to do by the Zip application, and that is to create a file, and then write stuff to it. If you think about it for a moment, what would happen if the OS was told to create a new file with the locked attribute on, and then told to write data to it? Why, the OS would say, "Sorry chum, can't do that. You see, it's locked." Bob On May 4, 2010, at 3:47 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hello, > > after another Test, Thierry could reproduce the described behaviour that you > can't keep the locked flag (uchg) of a file when zipping it with PKzip. So > perhaps anybody can confirm either if it is a standard behavior/feature of > OSX 10.5/10.6 or it's a bug of OSX? Because I don't find any hints > googeling, I almost think it is standard, but why? > Test: > A folder containing a file with the locked flag. > Zipping it, e.g: ditto -c -k --sequesterRsrc SrcFolder testditto.zip > Unzipping it and the locked flag is gone > Thanks > Tiemo > From nealk3nc at gmail.com Tue May 4 13:29:29 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:29:29 -0400 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: References: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Hi Jeff What happens if they refuse to give you the "QA" approval? It now sounds like they have, as opposed to execute, the power to stop you at 2 points in the development cycle. The fact that they do not use it is separate from the license agreement which appears to have dual points of approval, before and after you develop. What does the actual license agreement say (can you quote it)? Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Neal Campbell wrote: > > > Hi Jeff > > > > But what happens if MSFT or Nintendo reject your app. They hold the same > > power of rejection that Apple does, > > > > Not true. The idea of "reject" isn't quite the same in the console context > as it is for Apple and the App Store. > > To simplify this greatly, Nintendo or MSFT actually agrees to your app long > before you ever get to the submission process. This is the process of > acquiring a title ID for your application. Some publishers do it late in > the > process and others do it very early - even before they enter into > production. Once you have a title ID, your game has been "accepted". > > It should be noted that the only times I've ever seen an app get rejected > at > this stage is if it goes way beyond what the console wants to be equated > with in the public eye. For example, making a pornography game on the > Nintendo likely wouldn't get a title ID. > > The submission process is very different from getting a title ID. This is > nothing more than a glorified QA. It's when the console maker ensures that > you handle crazy situations: player removes the DVD while the game is > running, unplugs a controller, turns off the console during a save, leaves > the game running for days on end to test for memory fragmentation/leaks, > etc. Your game may be "rejected" at this stage, but only is as much as you > fix the bugs and resubmit. Once the bugs are gone, you're "gold". > > Jeff M. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From randall at randallreetz.com Tue May 4 13:40:04 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:40:04 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100503005609.GULK29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: Thomas McGrath sent the following to me. Anyone know what it means or is supposed to do? Randall On May 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > [...] > NSString *documentsDirectory = [paths objectAtIndex:0]; > > while(!madeNewPath) { > imgPath = [documentsDirectory stringByAppendingPathComponent:[NSString stringWithFormat:@"WhatThe%i.jpg",x]]; > if([[NSFileManager defaultManager] fileExistsAtPath:imgPath]) x++; else madeNewPath = TRUE; > } > [...] > > restoredImg = [UIImage imageWithData:[NSData dataWithContentsOfFile:imgPath]]; > > > > On May 2, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: > >> Randall, >> >> Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. >> >> Mark >> >> On May 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >> >>> Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and purposeful deceit. History will judge. Are you galileo or the church? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Mark Swindell >>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:45 PM >>> To: How to use Revolution >>> Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue >>> >>> I can answer the question of your vision myself? I asked you to share your vision, in simplest terms, without ambiguity, through a few examples. Instead you answer with more obfuscation. I can only think, after a certain point, that you don't really have a vision what you're after. And don't say I didn't ask or that I'm in need of a teacher to tell me what to think or how to behave. SImple questions deserve simple answers. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> On May 2, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >>> >>>> You can answer that question your self easly enough. Close your eyes, imagine evolution doing what evolution does. Where will complexity handling systems be in 10, 20, 100 years? The whole notion of sitting down at a computer is hopelessly old-school. The better question really is "what is it that systems want? Any systems. Humans are a system. Is it the shovel we are after, or is it the ditch, is it water we want or the fruit it grows, is it the fruit or the energy we receive, is it the energy or is it the use we put that energy towards, what are these uses, what drives us towards them, where is it all headed? Is any of this something that is best embodied in a spread sheet or a web page or a slide show? aren't these notions simply the result of the limitations our imaginations place upon the future as a result of historical experience? The real question becomes, what do you want out of life? >>> >>> >>> [The entire original message is not included] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From randall at randallreetz.com Tue May 4 13:49:47 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:49:47 -0700 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) Message-ID: <20100504174950.DNPK18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Well that is better than the usual response. We can't wag our fingers simply because someone has figured out how to be better or bigger criminals that we are. Big criminals get big only because the larger society in which they practice their art reflects in public sentiment the criminal behaviour they exploit. We vote every day and all day long. -----Original Message----- From: Richmond Mathewson Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:22 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) On 04/05/2010 20:09, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > What everyone here seems to forget is that flash finally took vector graphics powered by very tightly packed and efficiently executed byte code to a web that choked up by static bit maps. It was long overdue. Problem is that it never belonged at the plugin level. Now steve is trying to right this architectural wrong, but from the same messed up closed system protectionist motivation that drove macromedia to make the same mistake. Infrastructure is infrastructure. It serves no one to build a private interstate highway system. haven't we learned this yet? I am all for antitrust laws but only when those writing and enforcing them understand them at a deeper level than simple market competition. Obama is a smart guy. He is appointing smart prosecutors and judges and giving them the right mandates. Something of merit will come of this standoff and what motivates it. But I do remember the ridiculous apple antitrust suit against microsoft. Who built the windows mouse metaphor... xerox. The truth has a way of bubbling up. > > What bothers me is how willing the public is to forgive (even become apologists for) criminal or short sighted minds when those minds get rich being "better at being wrong than I am". > > What color is the money you make? > > Let's see: 2 lev notes are purple, 5 lev notes are red, 10 lev notes are yellow-brown, 20 lev notes are blue, 50 lev notes are also yellow-brown (but a different size from the 10s) and the 100 lev ones (of which I see very few) are green. More to the point; I don't know how those notes have come to me; how the parents of the children I teach have earned them, and so on: what I do know is that I do my job as best I can and that money pays for the bread and cheese. I don't vet the people who pay me to find out how honest they are; for starters it would be plain offensive, I'd lose all my pupils in double-quick time, and don't quite see the point. Money has no smell; what does smell is how it is obtained; mine smells reasonably rosey. I hope the same can be said for you. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From toolbook at kestner.de Tue May 4 13:56:10 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:56:10 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip In-Reply-To: References: <000f01caea8d$70bb93b0$5232bb10$@de> <001401caeb77$2e4a7e70$8adf7b50$@de> Message-ID: <002e01caebb3$147fbeb0$3d7f3c10$@de> Hi Bob, interesting point of view. But if you use ditto to make just a copy of that locked file, it does make a copy WITH the locked flag. Just not when zipping. So where is the difference? In both cases it creates a "new file". Obviously it has something to do with the zip container. Perhaps a zip file can't carry any flag or at least this uchg flag? That is too deep in the system for me, without any unix know how. Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bob Sneidar > Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Mai 2010 19:26 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: AW: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip > > My gut feeling is that because zipping and unzipping files do not > literally move the files, but rather create new copies of the original, > it would be up to the zip application developer to reset flags to the > original file's state. The OS is doing exactly what it is being told to > do by the Zip application, and that is to create a file, and then write > stuff to it. If you think about it for a moment, what would happen if > the OS was told to create a new file with the locked attribute on, and > then told to write data to it? Why, the OS would say, "Sorry chum, > can't do that. You see, it's locked." > > Bob From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue May 4 14:00:28 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 13:00:28 -0500 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: References: <4BDF5BBC.2000300@hyperactivesw.com> <389424D9-44AD-4C02-B42F-2E1C60748044@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BE060BC.7050107@hyperactivesw.com> Jeff Massung wrote: > I use this "feature" quite often in almost all my Rev apps. On Windows, when > applications install themselves they update the registry saying how to use > various types of file extensions. For example: > > HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\QuickTime.mov\shell\open\command > > "c:\Program Files\QuickTime\QuickTimePlayer.exe" "%1" > > I use word 1 of that registry value to get the path to the executable in a > way that can also be passed off to the shell function and "just works". > > However, some applications don't actually need the quotes (e.g. > c:\rebol\rebol.exe) and therefore don't add them. And it's quite nice that > parsing the first "word" still works there, too. That's a convincing example. Plus, backward compatibility would be shot if it were changed. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From stevejones at mac.com Tue May 4 14:15:39 2010 From: stevejones at mac.com (Steve Jones) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 13:15:39 -0500 Subject: Repeat question Message-ID: An area I never mastered with SuperCard and still have trouble with in RR is using the repeat control structure... I want to check every field on a card before it closes to be sure none are EMPTY. I know the structure would be REPEAT for the number of fields on the card if field 1 is empty put up an alert else go to next field end if end repeat or something similar. How do I refer to the fields? Their IDs aren't sequential and there names aren't "numbered". Thanks! Steve From bobs at twft.com Tue May 4 14:22:08 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:22:08 -0700 Subject: AW: AW: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip In-Reply-To: <002e01caebb3$147fbeb0$3d7f3c10$@de> References: <000f01caea8d$70bb93b0$5232bb10$@de> <001401caeb77$2e4a7e70$8adf7b50$@de> <002e01caebb3$147fbeb0$3d7f3c10$@de> Message-ID: I suspect that Ditto, when making a copy is not actually making the copy itself, but telling the OS to do it. It would make sense that the OS, when making a copy, would preserve all the appropriate OS flags. A zip program on the other hand, has to create it's own compressed file structure inside the file the OS knows about. It would then be up to the developer to set the flags appropriately, as the OS has no part to play with what is going on inside the compressed file. But I don't speak from real knowledge, but rather from reason based on the years of knowledge I have with computers. And reason, however good it is will not get you to the point of knowing. Bob On May 4, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hi Bob, > interesting point of view. > But if you use ditto to make just a copy of that locked file, it does make a > copy WITH the locked flag. Just not when zipping. So where is the > difference? In both cases it creates a "new file". Obviously it has > something to do with the zip container. Perhaps a zip file can't carry any > flag or at least this uchg flag? That is too deep in the system for me, > without any unix know how. > Tiemo > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bob Sneidar >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Mai 2010 19:26 >> An: How to use Revolution >> Betreff: Re: AW: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip >> >> My gut feeling is that because zipping and unzipping files do not >> literally move the files, but rather create new copies of the original, >> it would be up to the zip application developer to reset flags to the >> original file's state. The OS is doing exactly what it is being told to >> do by the Zip application, and that is to create a file, and then write >> stuff to it. If you think about it for a moment, what would happen if >> the OS was told to create a new file with the locked attribute on, and >> then told to write data to it? Why, the OS would say, "Sorry chum, >> can't do that. You see, it's locked." >> >> Bob > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From toolbook at kestner.de Tue May 4 14:30:26 2010 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 20:30:26 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: AW: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip In-Reply-To: References: <000f01caea8d$70bb93b0$5232bb10$@de> <001401caeb77$2e4a7e70$8adf7b50$@de> <002e01caebb3$147fbeb0$3d7f3c10$@de> Message-ID: <002f01caebb7$de0d0c20$9a272460$@de> Hi Bob, I think you hit it. Googleing I found the following: "Only a limited number of utilities are chflags aware. Some of these tools include ls(1), cp(1), find(1), install(1), dump(8), and restore(8). In particular a tool which is not currently chflags aware is the pax(1) utility." And following your points, ditto just would have to chflags, when zipping/unzipping and it doesn't count to these kind of tools. Thanks for bringing me on the way to understanding :) Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bob Sneidar > Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Mai 2010 20:22 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip > > I suspect that Ditto, when making a copy is not actually making the > copy itself, but telling the OS to do it. It would make sense that the > OS, when making a copy, would preserve all the appropriate OS flags. > > A zip program on the other hand, has to create it's own compressed file > structure inside the file the OS knows about. It would then be up to > the developer to set the flags appropriately, as the OS has no part to > play with what is going on inside the compressed file. But I don't > speak from real knowledge, but rather from reason based on the years of > knowledge I have with computers. And reason, however good it is will > not get you to the point of knowing. > > Bob > > > On May 4, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > Hi Bob, > > interesting point of view. > > But if you use ditto to make just a copy of that locked file, it does > make a > > copy WITH the locked flag. Just not when zipping. So where is the > > difference? In both cases it creates a "new file". Obviously it has > > something to do with the zip container. Perhaps a zip file can't > carry any > > flag or at least this uchg flag? That is too deep in the system for > me, > > without any unix know how. > > Tiemo > > > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bob Sneidar > >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Mai 2010 19:26 > >> An: How to use Revolution > >> Betreff: Re: AW: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip > >> > >> My gut feeling is that because zipping and unzipping files do not > >> literally move the files, but rather create new copies of the > original, > >> it would be up to the zip application developer to reset flags to > the > >> original file's state. The OS is doing exactly what it is being told > to > >> do by the Zip application, and that is to create a file, and then > write > >> stuff to it. If you think about it for a moment, what would happen > if > >> the OS was told to create a new file with the locked attribute on, > and > >> then told to write data to it? Why, the OS would say, "Sorry chum, > >> can't do that. You see, it's locked." > >> > >> Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From th.douez at gmail.com Tue May 4 14:36:05 2010 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry D.) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 20:36:05 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip In-Reply-To: References: <000f01caea8d$70bb93b0$5232bb10$@de> <001401caeb77$2e4a7e70$8adf7b50$@de> <002e01caebb3$147fbeb0$3d7f3c10$@de> Message-ID: <8FB5C3D0-A271-466C-9340-764EE0E008B2@sunnyrevcode.com> Le 4 mai 2010 ? 20:22, Bob Sneidar a ?crit : > A zip program on the other hand, has to create it's own compressed file structure inside the file the OS knows about. It would then be up to the developer to set the flags appropriately, as the OS has no part to play with what is going on inside the compressed file. Well, as much as I understood, ditto should be aware of that. It is clearly explain in the man doc. Inside the zip, it creates a special folder __MACOSX/ where all specifics extended flags are stored You can see that doing an unzip -l yourfile.zip. From tiger, to Leopard and Snow leopad they have change few default options.... but it's globally all the same. What is strange, is doing a ls -la@ and ls -laO after unzipping, the "quarantine" flag is here, but not seen at the end of the process ? Sounds a bug to me, or I miss something. Doing a compress folder from the contextual menu gives the same results. Hidden flags are propagated, but not the uchg ? Regards, Thierry From bobs at twft.com Tue May 4 14:36:48 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:36:48 -0700 Subject: Repeat question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi steve. First, you are using the wrong form of repeat. You need an index to the field you are referencing, so your repeat loop should start like this: > REPEAT with theFieldNumber = 1 to the number of fields on the card Now in your repeat loop you can refer to field theFieldNumber which will increment each iteration. > if field theFieldNumber is empty You don't need > go to next field as the repeat loop will increment the reference to the field number in it's next loop. You CAN refer to fields by their index ie. field 1, field 2 etc. This has nothing to do with the ID number. To refer to a field by ID you would say field ID 23725 or some such thing. But remember that this becomes problematic when duplicating fields or making copies of stacks then working with the copies. The field ID's will be different in the copy. Most people rarely use the ID's to refer to an object. Bob On May 4, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > An area I never mastered with SuperCard and still have trouble with in RR is using the repeat control structure... > > I want to check every field on a card before it closes to be sure none are EMPTY. > > I know the structure would be > > REPEAT for the number of fields on the card > if field 1 is empty > put up an alert > else > go to next field > end if > end repeat > > or something similar. > > How do I refer to the fields? Their IDs aren't sequential and there names aren't "numbered". > > Thanks! > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From massung at gmail.com Tue May 4 14:37:07 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:37:07 -0500 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: References: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Neal Campbell wrote: > > What happens if they refuse to give you the "QA" approval? > Nothing other than you fix a couple bugs and resubmit for approval. To be clear, this is *not* like submitting your app to Apple for approval in the AppStore. Apple's approval is about them making sure they like what they see and they can (for all intense purposes) reject your app for any reason what-so-ever. Submitting to Nintendo (or Sony or MSFT) is 100% a QA approval. They aren't "playing" your game or checking it for inappropriate content (ESRB does that and rates your game). All the QA approval process is about is whether or not your game crashes and abides by certain guidelines. For example (taken from Nintendo Wii lot check): *Section 3.3: Prohibition of Sustained Continuous Non-Sequential Access [Required]* If there has been no user input for more than 5 minutes (or 10-15 minutes, based on the screen burn-in reduction feature setting), continuous non-sequential disc access should end within 1 hour. Once user input is received, resume normal operations. Non-sequential access is defined as seeking to access data spaced more than 200 MB apart on the disc. Non-sequential access resumed within five seconds for a long period of time can shorten the lifespan of the disc drive. To avoid unnecessary aging of the disc drive while the user is not operating the application, do not conduct this kind of non-sequential access for more than one continuous hour. For example, when a movie is playing for a long time, position the files that will be accessed nearby and, if non-sequential access will be carried out, limit the number of loops. For information on the wait time set for the screen burn-in reduction feature, see the Wii Video Interface Library (VI) manual and the Video Interface Library section of the Revolution Function Reference Manual. If you are going to reconfigure the wait time for the screen burn-in reduction feature, see section 6.22 Changing Screen Burn-In Reduction Wait Time [Recommended]. They are all like this. They are geared towards protecting the hardware from malicious use (constantly writing to flash or pinging the head of the DVD), and the user's TV, making sure the user has certain interface expectations (ala HID), and that should something bad happen, your application handles it gracefully. There is absolutely nothing about the QA submission process for which you can be rejected permanently. You'll just be given a list of bugs to fix and you fix them. > What does the actual license agreement say (can you quote it)? > No, I cannot. Jeff M. From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Tue May 4 14:38:07 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 20:38:07 +0200 Subject: Repeat question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/5/4 Steve Jones : > An area I never mastered with SuperCard and still have trouble with in RR is using the repeat control structure... > > I want to check every field on a card before it closes to be sure none are EMPTY. > > I know the structure would be > > REPEAT for the number of fields on the card > ? if field 1 is empty > ? ? ?put up an alert > ? else > ? ? ?go to next field > ? end if > end repeat > > or something similar. > > How do I refer to the fields? ?Their IDs aren't sequential and there names aren't "numbered". Hello Steve, To check every field on your card you can do that : repeat with i = 1 to the number of fields on this card if (field i is empty) then... end repeat Where i is a variable containing the number of your field. -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Tue May 4 14:43:54 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 14:43:54 -0400 Subject: Repeat question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 05/04/2010 at 02:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > An area I never mastered with SuperCard and still have > trouble with in RR is using the repeat control structure... > I want to check every field on a card before it closes > to be sure none are EMPTY. I know the structure would be > > REPEAT for the number of fields on the card > if field 1 is empty > put up an alert > else > go to next field > end if > end repeat > > or something similar. > How do I refer to the fields? Their IDs aren't sequential > and there names aren't "numbered". > > Thanks! > > Steve on mouseUp REPEAT with i = 1 to the number of fields of this card if field i is empty then answer "Field" && (the name of fld i) && "is empty!" end if end repeat end mouseUp ~Roger Eller From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue May 4 14:49:19 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 13:49:19 -0500 Subject: Rev and the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BE053D6.20900@comcast.net> References: <4BDDC3C8.1060002@hyperactivesw.com> <4BDDC5F5.6050207@gmail.com> <4BE053D6.20900@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BE06C2F.4000107@hyperactivesw.com> Marty Knapp wrote: > Actually Barney is the Antichrist. For proof: You stayed awake all night thinking this up, right? :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Tue May 4 15:02:58 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 21:02:58 +0200 Subject: Repeat question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/5/4 : > On 05/04/2010 at 02:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >> An area I never mastered with SuperCard and still have >> trouble with in RR is using the repeat control structure... >> I want to check every field on a card before it closes >> to be sure none are EMPTY. I know the structure would be >> >> REPEAT for the number of fields on the card >> ? ?if field 1 is empty >> ? ? ? put up an alert >> ? ?else >> ? ? ? go to next field >> ? ?end if >> end repeat >> >> or something similar. >> How do I refer to the fields? ?Their IDs aren't sequential >> and there names aren't "numbered". >> >> Thanks! >> >> Steve > > on mouseUp > ? REPEAT with i = 1 to the number of fields of this card > ? ? ?if field i is empty then > ? ? ? ? answer "Field" && (the name of fld i) && "is empty!" > ? ? ?end if > ? end repeat > end mouseUp > > ~Roger Eller You can also decide to place the insertion point in the first empty field found by the loop, to let the user correct the required field. repeat with i = 1 to the number of fields of this card if (field i is empty) then answer "Field" && (the name of fld i) && "is empty!" select text of field i -- Places the insertion point in the empty field exit repeat -- Stops the loop after the first empty field found end if end repeat Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From nealk3nc at gmail.com Tue May 4 15:05:22 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 15:05:22 -0400 Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) In-Reply-To: References: <06AEE0A431114C9E9AAAA7542817382B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: I have hope though that public pressure and the SEC could change matters. Maybe the game market isn't precedence but I am sure Apple will try to make it that way! Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Neal Campbell wrote: > > > > > What happens if they refuse to give you the "QA" approval? > > > > Nothing other than you fix a couple bugs and resubmit for approval. To be > clear, this is *not* like submitting your app to Apple for approval in the > AppStore. Apple's approval is about them making sure they like what they > see > and they can (for all intense purposes) reject your app for any reason > what-so-ever. Submitting to Nintendo (or Sony or MSFT) is 100% a QA > approval. They aren't "playing" your game or checking it for inappropriate > content (ESRB does that and rates your game). All the QA approval process > is > about is whether or not your game crashes and abides by certain guidelines. > For example (taken from Nintendo Wii lot check): > > *Section 3.3: Prohibition of Sustained Continuous Non-Sequential Access > [Required]* > > If there has been no user input for more than 5 minutes (or 10-15 minutes, > based on the screen burn-in reduction feature setting), continuous > non-sequential disc access should end within 1 hour. Once user input is > received, resume normal operations. Non-sequential access is defined as > seeking to access data spaced more than 200 MB apart on the disc. > > Non-sequential access resumed within five seconds for a long period of time > can shorten the lifespan of the disc drive. To avoid unnecessary aging of > the disc drive while the user is not operating the application, do not > conduct this kind of non-sequential access for more than one continuous > hour. > > For example, when a movie is playing for a long time, position the files > that will be accessed nearby and, if non-sequential access will be carried > out, limit the number of loops. > > For information on the wait time set for the screen burn-in reduction > feature, see the Wii Video Interface Library (VI) manual and the Video > Interface Library section of the Revolution Function Reference Manual. If > you are going to reconfigure the wait time for the screen burn-in > reduction feature, see section 6.22 Changing Screen Burn-In Reduction Wait > Time [Recommended]. > > > They are all like this. They are geared towards protecting the hardware > from > malicious use (constantly writing to flash or pinging the head of the DVD), > and the user's TV, making sure the user has certain interface expectations > (ala HID), and that should something bad happen, your application handles > it > gracefully. There is absolutely nothing about the QA submission process for > which you can be rejected permanently. You'll just be given a list of bugs > to fix and you fix them. > > > > > What does the actual license agreement say (can you quote it)? > > > > No, I cannot. > > > Jeff M. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Tue May 4 15:13:23 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 12:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT, way way OT] Barney, HC, and the glory days In-Reply-To: <4BDE55BA.9010500@hyperactivesw.com> References: <20100502191327.SXQN23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BDDD70D.8070009@gmail.com> <4BDE31D5.6080300@hyperactivesw.com> <851878A3-7999-4482-BD5C-EBD552D31C42@mac.com> <4BDE55BA.9010500@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Yupp, that's THE right age alright. My 9-year-olds like to go around singing Barnie-die songs. As much as Barney eventually drove me crazy, I'm not certain these songs aren't worse. Judy On Sun, 2 May 2010, J. Landman Gay wrote: > You have to get a nine year old to do it. :) > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue May 4 15:13:38 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 14:13:38 -0500 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 80, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: <20100504095555.090EA288727@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4BE071E2.8030503@hyperactivesw.com> Graham & Heather Harrison wrote: > I feel as if I've run afoul of the > Church-of-we-don't-do-it-that-way/Denomination-rev/Sect-externals. Hey, I warned you. :) I'm glad you're a good sport. > Mark kindly provided a script for binding Externals. I wish I had > seen it earlier. It cuts out a lot of extraneous stuff introduced by > the Externals Lessons on runRev - e.g. requiring the destroyWindow > property to be set to true before the save stack. Mark's script does the same thing as setting the externals property in the inspector. The inspector just automates it. But easier, as I mentioned today but should have told you ages ago, is to just drop the external into your user Externals folder and leave it at that. I'm trying to figure out why I didn't say so right away. Maybe I was overcome by data overload. Or senility. Rev has lots of different ways to get to the same outcome, for lots of different things. We all have our preferences, which can be confusing for a newcomer. I think you got caught in the crossfire. > As I have read (this > thread or elsewhere) the handling of Externals is different in the > IDE and standalones. From the discussion between Jacque and Paul this > is not straightforward, and is not handled in the documentation. It > would appear that this script would need to upgraded to work in both > environments. Yes. The startup handler I posted is another way to do it. > > Mark, you asked why I considered mentioning setting the > Preferences/Files & Memory/User Extensions. Because my two primary > sources - Externals Lesson 2 (explicitly), and Shao Sean's revUp > article on ssMacWindows (implicitly), told me to. But your response, > and my testing, raises the question - what is it used > for. Rev provides a permanent user folder so that you can store things like your own externals and plugins separately from the ones that ship with the IDE. The IDE stores its own resources inside its app folder, which changes each time a new version is downloaded. In order to keep your own custom additions intact across updates, those are stored separately in that user folder. By default, Rev provides a folder at ~/Documents/My Revolution / as the default location to store your own stuff. Most people just leave it that way and drop their customizations into it. However, if you object to storing things in Documents for some reason, you can move the folder elsewhere. If you do that, Rev needs to know where it is so that it can load your customizations when the IDE launches. You tell it where your folder is by changing that field in Preferences. Again, I think you were misled a little bit because there are so many options in Rev to make the IDE what you want it to be. But in general the default is the way to go while learning. Once you know what everything does, then you can modify it. The user folder doesn't require editing any text files or anything else, just drop your files into the correct subfolder ("Externals" or "Plugins" generally.) "Resources" holds the tutorials and pdfs you download from the Learning Center, among other things, and you won't usually put anything in there manually. Plugins and Externals are the two you are most likely to add to. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Tue May 4 15:34:24 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 15:34:24 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 05/04/2010 at 03:23 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > Thomas McGrath sent the following to me. Anyone know what it means or is supposed to do? > > Randall > > On May 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> [...] >> NSString *documentsDirectory = [paths objectAtIndex:0]; >> >> while(!madeNewPath) { >> imgPath = [documentsDirectory stringByAppendingPathComponent:[NSString stringWithFormat:@"WhatThe%i.jpg",x]]; >> if([[NSFileManager defaultManager] fileExistsAtPath:imgPath]) x++; else madeNewPath = TRUE; >> } >> [...] >> >> restoredImg = [UIImage imageWithData:[NSData dataWithContentsOfFile:imgPath]]; >> >> It is message sent back from the future. Once you execute it, it will learn what you want and will just do it. ;) From paulgabel at comcast.net Tue May 4 15:51:48 2010 From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Gabel Paul) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 12:51:48 -0700 Subject: Password protection Message-ID: <9A4ADB2D-FF1A-4980-BEB2-493C141AF9C6@comcast.net> Hello everyone: I tried to password protect my stacks, but I must be missing some basic concept. I read the Password entry in the Dictionary, then I set the password on the Stacks screen of the Standalone Application Settings window, then I created my standalone. When I open the standalone, it doesn't ask for the password. Do I need to script that? I'm using Rev 4.0. Thanks. Paul Gabel From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue May 4 15:58:27 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 21:58:27 +0200 Subject: Password protection In-Reply-To: <9A4ADB2D-FF1A-4980-BEB2-493C141AF9C6@comcast.net> References: <9A4ADB2D-FF1A-4980-BEB2-493C141AF9C6@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0BBEFF2A-D164-4260-BB21-0D0370B3F489@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Paul, Only the scripts are protected by that password. If you want any other kind of protection, you need to script it yourself (and those scripts are in turn protected by the password set in the standalone settings). -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at http://www.twistaword.net Op 4 mei 2010, om 21:51 heeft Gabel Paul het volgende geschreven: > Hello everyone: > > I tried to password protect my stacks, but I must be missing some > basic concept. I read the Password entry in the Dictionary, then I > set the password on the Stacks screen of the Standalone Application > Settings window, then I created my standalone. When I open the > standalone, it doesn't ask for the password. Do I need to script > that? I'm using Rev 4.0. Thanks. From psahores at free.fr Tue May 4 16:16:08 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 22:16:08 +0200 Subject: Password protection In-Reply-To: <9A4ADB2D-FF1A-4980-BEB2-493C141AF9C6@comcast.net> References: <9A4ADB2D-FF1A-4980-BEB2-493C141AF9C6@comcast.net> Message-ID: Paul, The way i use with success is to protect the stack before going to the app builder in filling "set the password of this stack to "yourpassword" in the messagebox before pressing enter and saving the stack. Works fine there and the stack just need to be in its unlocked state at the time you run the application builder process. Hope this help, Pierre Le 4 mai 2010 ? 21:51, Gabel Paul a ?crit : > Hello everyone: > > I tried to password protect my stacks, but I must be missing some basic concept. I read the Password entry in the Dictionary, then I set the password on the Stacks screen of the Standalone Application Settings window, then I created my standalone. When I open the standalone, it doesn't ask for the password. Do I need to script that? I'm using Rev 4.0. Thanks. > > Paul Gabel_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From randall at randallreetz.com Tue May 4 16:27:08 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:27:08 -0700 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Message-ID: <20100504202711.YJNR23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Well that isn't exactly how it works, but evolution does have a way of pointing in a very specific direction (statistically). -----Original Message----- From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:34 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 05/04/2010 at 03:23 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > Thomas McGrath sent the following to me. Anyone know what it means or is supposed to do? > > Randall > > On May 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> [...] >> NSString *documentsDirectory = [paths objectAtIndex:0]; >> >> while(!madeNewPath) { >> imgPath = [documentsDirectory stringByAppendingPathComponent:[NSString stringWithFormat:@"WhatThe%i.jpg",x]]; >> if([[NSFileManager defaultManager] fileExistsAtPath:imgPath]) x++; else madeNewPath = TRUE; >> } >> [...] >> >> restoredImg = [UIImage imageWithData:[NSData dataWithContentsOfFile:imgPath]]; >> >> It is message sent back from the future. Once you execute it, it will learn what you want and will just do it. ;) _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Tue May 4 12:14:33 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Apple Anti-Trust (was Apples actual response to the Flash issue) References: <4BE03588.1030001@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Well and coherently argued, as usual. But, question: if the restrictions stick or fail to stick, what do you think the implications are for Rev and resources for multiple platforms? If they do get into the App Store, are there enough resources to do that, Windows, OSX, Linux and Android as well? Yes, I have a one track mind on this, but its my only programming language right now. From jim at d-film.com Tue May 4 16:51:50 2010 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:51:50 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's an example of what you'll need to know if you want to program for the iPad and iPhone if SJ has his way. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:34 PM, wrote: > On 05/04/2010 at 03:23 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: >> Thomas McGrath sent the following to me. ?Anyone know what it means or is > supposed to do? >> >> Randall >> >> On May 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >> >>> [...] >>> NSString *documentsDirectory = [paths objectAtIndex:0]; >>> >>> while(!madeNewPath) { >>> imgPath = [documentsDirectory stringByAppendingPathComponent:[NSString > stringWithFormat:@"WhatThe%i.jpg",x]]; >>> if([[NSFileManager defaultManager] fileExistsAtPath:imgPath]) x++; else > madeNewPath = TRUE; >>> } >>> [...] >>> >>> restoredImg = [UIImage imageWithData:[NSData > dataWithContentsOfFile:imgPath]]; From martyknapp at comcast.net Tue May 4 17:11:21 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 14:11:21 -0700 Subject: Barney In-Reply-To: <4BE06C2F.4000107@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BDDC3C8.1060002@hyperactivesw.com> <4BDDC5F5.6050207@gmail.com> <4BE053D6.20900@comcast.net> <4BE06C2F.4000107@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BE08D79.6040309@comcast.net> Are you suggesting that this is rooted in a lack of sleep or that it was so brilliant that it *must* have taken a lot of effort??? :) (come to think of it, I didn't sleep well last night . . .) > Marty Knapp wrote: >> Actually Barney is the Antichrist. For proof: > > You stayed awake all night thinking this up, right? :) > From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue May 4 17:26:13 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 17:26:13 -0400 Subject: Newbie question In-Reply-To: <83CEFFE5-FDD4-44BA-BA4C-D5044D749735@mac.com> References: <849418030912230952i47cb8373q39b73194e7f0b5ef@mail.gmail.com> <7EE8F383-3962-48A3-8785-6BB236EE6512@economy-x-talk.com> <849418030912231006h164b5749g6110c1bca4eed55d@mail.gmail.com> <89276E85-0CBA-4BD4-BBA2-E11FC9869CEE@mac.com> <1BA5480C-437F-470E-B2F6-F9F855B3CFBA@verizon.net> <83CEFFE5-FDD4-44BA-BA4C-D5044D749735@mac.com> Message-ID: Steve, Welcome to RR. I also came from the HC/SC background and was taken by the group "behave" issue, at first it seemed an oversight to a much used convention. But since I've been using RR I have found that I use backgrounds less and less. I think this is one thing that truly differentiates RR from HC and SC. In HC I used Cards with backgrounds in every project, then in SC I made the jump to windows with many cards and some backgrounds and now I use many stacks with windows with some cards and very few backgrounds. It is a change in the way I have come to think about our style of programming. The message path and properties etc. take on a much more important roll nowadays and some things like background behaviors taken on a much smaller role. Anyway, you seem to have found what you need so Welcome and hope to see you more on the list. Tom McGrath On May 4, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > Aha - that was it. Didn't even see that option. No very intuitive. You have to create a GROUP and then assign it to be a BACKGROUND rather than just going straight to a background to begin with. I guess there's more flexibility that way. > > Thanks! > > Steve > > On May 4, 2010, at 9:35 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > >> >> On May 4, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >>> I see in RR that you put items in GROUPS to have them appear on every card in a stack as opposed to SC where you put them in the BACKGROUND. I have a GROUP of items on a single card in a stack. When the CREATE CARD command is issued in a handler, a new card is created but the GROUP is not on it. What might I be doing wrong? >> >> Look in the inspector palette for the group, and see if its "Behave like a background" box is checked. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue May 4 17:39:02 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 17:39:02 -0400 Subject: Apples actual response to the Flash issue In-Reply-To: References: <20100503005609.GULK29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <76D831DA-5C1B-4D2B-912B-BB049118172E@mac.com> Sorry, wrong list. Regards, Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today? http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com DeMoted on the iTune App Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8 On May 4, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > Thomas McGrath sent the following to me. Anyone know what it means or is supposed to do? > > Randall > > On May 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> [...] >> NSString *documentsDirectory = [paths objectAtIndex:0]; >> >> while(!madeNewPath) { >> imgPath = [documentsDirectory stringByAppendingPathComponent:[NSString stringWithFormat:@"WhatThe%i.jpg",x]]; >> if([[NSFileManager defaultManager] fileExistsAtPath:imgPath]) x++; else madeNewPath = TRUE; >> } >> [...] >> >> restoredImg = [UIImage imageWithData:[NSData dataWithContentsOfFile:imgPath]]; >> >> >> >> On May 2, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: >> >>> Randall, >>> >>> Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On May 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >>> >>>> Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and purposeful deceit. History will judge. Are you galileo or the church? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Mark Swindell >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:45 PM >>>> To: How to use Revolution >>>> Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue >>>> >>>> I can answer the question of your vision myself? I asked you to share your vision, in simplest terms, without ambiguity, through a few examples. Instead you answer with more obfuscation. I can only think, after a certain point, that you don't really have a vision what you're after. And don't say I didn't ask or that I'm in need of a teacher to tell me what to think or how to behave. SImple questions deserve simple answers. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 2, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >>>> >>>>> You can answer that question your self easly enough. Close your eyes, imagine evolution doing what evolution does. Where will complexity handling systems be in 10, 20, 100 years? The whole notion of sitting down at a computer is hopelessly old-school. The better question really is "what is it that systems want? Any systems. Humans are a system. Is it the shovel we are after, or is it the ditch, is it water we want or the fruit it grows, is it the fruit or the energy we receive, is it the energy or is it the use we put that energy towards, what are these uses, what drives us towards them, where is it all headed? Is any of this something that is best embodied in a spread sheet or a web page or a slide show? aren't these notions simply the result of the limitations our imaginations place upon the future as a result of historical experience? The real question becomes, what do you want out of life? >>>> >>>> >>>> [The entire original message is not included] >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Tue May 4 17:40:16 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 23:40:16 +0200 Subject: [Data Grid] Row Template confusion Message-ID: Hi All, As far I understand the Data Grid object, there are 2 kinds of Row Templates 1) The row template for DG Forms. It is composed by a group in the first layer. This group represents the row. A row in a data grid form can contain all the objects displayed in the form. 2) The row template for DG Tables. It is composed by two layers of groups.The first layer group represents the row. This group contains a second layer composed by one group for each column in the DG Table. For example if you have four rows in your table, you will have 4 groups inside your first layer group. Each group contains the object you want for your column (a check box, an image, a field, etc) So if I have totally understand, that I find confusing is the location of the row template button or its state maybe: 1) We have a button to edit the row template in the basic properties tab. When I create a DataGrid for the first time, default DG type is Table. Assuming that I have not read and maybe misunderstanding the doc (Slugs don't reads very well...), maybe for my project the first thing I will do is click on this button, drop my objects on the first and only available layer group at this step, and move to the columns after. And then I totally missed the functioning, because when I click on the button my columns doesn't exists so I can't customize the corresponding template groups. 2) When I'm in the columns tab, now. I create a column and I add a custom behavior. By clicking the add button I open automatically the Row Template window. I open the two groups, drop my object on it, close and save the window. If I have to correct something, assuming that I need only a custom object in my row, I have to go on the first tab, then click on the Row Template button. After my modification I have to return on the columns tab and finish to define my columns. As Data Grid users, what is your first experience with this Row Template button? Maybe it could be more intuitive: - to have a tab for DG Forms and a tab for DG Tables with their own Row Template button, - or maybe the Row Template has to be disable and be enable only if the user chooses to create a DG form or have Custom behaviors in a DG Table. What Data Grid users thinks about that? Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From DunbarX at aol.com Tue May 4 18:20:52 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:20:52 EDT Subject: Repeat question Message-ID: <12bad.513e6bbb.3911f7c4@aol.com> Steve; You have several valid answers. More important, consider a couple of the niceties in what has been said: 1- The "repeat with" structure declares a variable and sets an initial and a final value, incrementing automatically. In your case, you start at explicitly at 1 and continue until the property "the number of flds" is reached. This property is the total number of fields on the card, and is nice because even if this quantity changes, your code is still valid. That is very cool. 2- Fields have identifiers, "number" being one of the big three (with name and ID). Though it was mentioned that numbering can change, for your purposes it is sufficient to know that each field has its own number at any given time; the ordering does not matter in your case, each is accessed in its turn, and none are missed. Note that this circumvents names entirely. 3- You simply must write a few repeat loops using "repeat with". And set the start and end values with both explicit numbers and also with properties. And then you simply must write a few loops with the "repeat until condition" and "repeat for each...". Check the dictionary. Nobody can live without repeats. Craig Newman From crw at nosirrah.com Tue May 4 18:33:36 2010 From: crw at nosirrah.com (Graham & Heather Harrison) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 08:33:36 +1000 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <20100504183807.6CC7428868B@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100504183807.6CC7428868B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I sent this (except for the final point) to the wrong address. So here it is to the right one. All together now, No! No! A thousand times no! I'd rather die than say yes! Mark Wieder wrote: No?NoNoNoNo?No Thierry D. wrote: I second what Mark Wieder says I feel as if I've run afoul of the Church-of-we-don't-do-it-that-way/Denomination-rev/Sect-externals. The main reasons given for not doing it my way (cue for another song?) is that it won't work when I convert to a standalone, or when there is a new version of rev. No matter how many times I say that this is for learning, everyone wants me to create standalones. Ain't going to happen soon. By the time it does I will know much more and be able to convert. A new version of rev? I will probably have created standalones before then. The beauty of my method (for learning) is that the Externals are available for each new stack without any extra work at all. If you want to write small test stacks for various scenarios, that is a big boon. Mark kindly provided a script for binding Externals. I wish I had seen it earlier. It cuts out a lot of extraneous stuff introduced by the Externals Lessons on runRev - e.g. requiring the destroyWindow property to be set to true before the save stack. It has three drawbacks as far as I see it: . The internal code has to be repeated for each External you want to use. (And please don't say, "Nobody would want to use more than one External!") Do it my way (that song just won't go away), and all externals are immediately available. . I now have a button I don't want. . As I have read (this thread or elsewhere) the handling of Externals is different in the IDE and standalones. From the discussion between Jacque and Paul this is not straightforward, and is not handled in the documentation. It would appear that the script as provided would need to upgraded to work in both environments. Mark, you asked why I considered mentioning setting the Preferences/Files & Memory/User Extensions. Because my two primary sources - Externals Lesson 2 (explicitly), and Shao Sean's revUp article on ssMacWindows (implicitly), told me to. But your response, and my testing, raises the question - what is it used for. Jacque, I wish using ../Documents/Revolution ?/Externals was as simple as you say. It really should be: put your external in, restart rev, done, dusted, sorted. But no, you still have to write script in each new stack to point to each External individually. And that script has to handle the differences in IDE and standalone processing (for those going to standalones). Do what I suggest, and you have nothing else to while in the IDE and you can handle the standalone as a separate entity when you get to there. From pmbrig at gmail.com Tue May 4 18:45:06 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:45:06 -0400 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: <4BE060BC.7050107@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BDF5BBC.2000300@hyperactivesw.com> <389424D9-44AD-4C02-B42F-2E1C60748044@gmail.com> <4BE060BC.7050107@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On May 4, 2010, at 2:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Jeff Massung wrote: > >> I use this "feature" quite often in almost all my Rev apps. On >> Windows, when >> applications install themselves they update the registry saying how >> to use >> various types of file extensions. For example: >> HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\QuickTime.mov\shell\open\command >> "c:\Program Files\QuickTime\QuickTimePlayer.exe" "%1" >> I use word 1 of that registry value to get the path to the >> executable in a >> way that can also be passed off to the shell function and "just >> works". >> However, some applications don't actually need the quotes (e.g. >> c:\rebol\rebol.exe) and therefore don't add them. And it's quite >> nice that >> parsing the first "word" still works there, too. > > That's a convincing example. Plus, backward compatibility would be > shot if it were changed. Well, for what I use Rev for, the present convention is still a hassle, but in view of the fact that there are apparently good reasons from others' points of view, I won't file a bug report/enhancement request. Having to change a bunch of code when things suddenly stop working with a new version is no fun, I know.... I'll continue working around this "feature." -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig UPDATE, v. In software, to alter the program by introducing a new set of bugs, typically even more unexpected and serious than the user has been accustomed to. From bobs at twft.com Tue May 4 20:36:14 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:36:14 -0700 Subject: Newbie question In-Reply-To: References: <849418030912230952i47cb8373q39b73194e7f0b5ef@mail.gmail.com> <7EE8F383-3962-48A3-8785-6BB236EE6512@economy-x-talk.com> <849418030912231006h164b5749g6110c1bca4eed55d@mail.gmail.com> <89276E85-0CBA-4BD4-BBA2-E11FC9869CEE@mac.com> <1BA5480C-437F-470E-B2F6-F9F855B3CFBA@verizon.net> <83CEFFE5-FDD4-44BA-BA4C-D5044D749735@mac.com> Message-ID: <8F8D9986-EC04-4553-8823-B01256675126@twft.com> Yes, the primary difference between Hypercard and Revolution is that in HC cards WERE your records. Similar data got added in fields on many cards with the same "background". With Revolution, you have access to use SQL databases, so cards become more like forms that temporarily hold data for the user to work with. You script reading from and writing to the SQL tables. Using that method, you can see that there is not much use for backgrounds as such, except to repeat elements in order to maintain some kind of consistent "look and feel". For example, a logo could be set as a background so it only needs to be added once, and it shows up on every card looking and acting the same. I have an app I am working on that connects to an SQL database, and each card is a form to a particular table. But the navigation buttons and menus and such all work the same way on each card. So I make the navigation button group a background, and program the buttons in a generic way so that the code works no matter which card I am working with. Cards are so yesterday. :-) Bob On May 4, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Steve, Welcome to RR. > > I also came from the HC/SC background and was taken by the group "behave" issue, at first it seemed an oversight to a much used convention. But since I've been using RR I have found that I use backgrounds less and less. I think this is one thing that truly differentiates RR from HC and SC. In HC I used Cards with backgrounds in every project, then in SC I made the jump to windows with many cards and some backgrounds and now I use many stacks with windows with some cards and very few backgrounds. It is a change in the way I have come to think about our style of programming. The message path and properties etc. take on a much more important roll nowadays and some things like background behaviors taken on a much smaller role. > > Anyway, you seem to have found what you need so Welcome and hope to see you more on the list. > > > Tom McGrath > > > On May 4, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > >> Aha - that was it. Didn't even see that option. No very intuitive. You have to create a GROUP and then assign it to be a BACKGROUND rather than just going straight to a background to begin with. I guess there's more flexibility that way. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Steve From andre at andregarzia.com Tue May 4 20:46:02 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 21:46:02 -0300 Subject: Newbie question In-Reply-To: <8F8D9986-EC04-4553-8823-B01256675126@twft.com> References: <849418030912230952i47cb8373q39b73194e7f0b5ef@mail.gmail.com> <7EE8F383-3962-48A3-8785-6BB236EE6512@economy-x-talk.com> <849418030912231006h164b5749g6110c1bca4eed55d@mail.gmail.com> <89276E85-0CBA-4BD4-BBA2-E11FC9869CEE@mac.com> <1BA5480C-437F-470E-B2F6-F9F855B3CFBA@verizon.net> <83CEFFE5-FDD4-44BA-BA4C-D5044D749735@mac.com> <8F8D9986-EC04-4553-8823-B01256675126@twft.com> Message-ID: I haven't used SC/HC but I do use background groups a lot. I tend to always have a bg group named "interface" on my projects that holds the common user interface for the app, then using different cards, I just create the modified parts, this way, instead of showing/hiding controls as the interface changes reacting to the user input, I navigate to different cards. Typically my interface group consists of navigation stuff so that the user can access the other cards and status displays so that I have a uniform way of presenting stuff. I like working that way but I don't know how people here work. So this is feedback from someone that never knew HC or SC prior to using RR. Cheers andre On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Yes, the primary difference between Hypercard and Revolution is that in HC > cards WERE your records. Similar data got added in fields on many cards with > the same "background". With Revolution, you have access to use SQL > databases, so cards become more like forms that temporarily hold data for > the user to work with. You script reading from and writing to the SQL > tables. Using that method, you can see that there is not much use for > backgrounds as such, except to repeat elements in order to maintain some > kind of consistent "look and feel". > > For example, a logo could be set as a background so it only needs to be > added once, and it shows up on every card looking and acting the same. I > have an app I am working on that connects to an SQL database, and each card > is a form to a particular table. But the navigation buttons and menus and > such all work the same way on each card. So I make the navigation button > group a background, and program the buttons in a generic way so that the > code works no matter which card I am working with. > > Cards are so yesterday. :-) > > Bob > > > On May 4, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > > > Steve, Welcome to RR. > > > > I also came from the HC/SC background and was taken by the group "behave" > issue, at first it seemed an oversight to a much used convention. But since > I've been using RR I have found that I use backgrounds less and less. I > think this is one thing that truly differentiates RR from HC and SC. In HC I > used Cards with backgrounds in every project, then in SC I made the jump to > windows with many cards and some backgrounds and now I use many stacks with > windows with some cards and very few backgrounds. It is a change in the way > I have come to think about our style of programming. The message path and > properties etc. take on a much more important roll nowadays and some things > like background behaviors taken on a much smaller role. > > > > Anyway, you seem to have found what you need so Welcome and hope to see > you more on the list. > > > > > > Tom McGrath > > > > > > On May 4, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > > > >> Aha - that was it. Didn't even see that option. No very intuitive. > You have to create a GROUP and then assign it to be a BACKGROUND rather > than just going straight to a background to begin with. I guess there's > more flexibility that way. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Steve > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Tue May 4 21:03:07 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:03:07 -0700 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Graham & Heather Harrison > > . As I have read (this thread or elsewhere) the handling of > Externals is different in the IDE and standalones. From the > discussion between Jacque and Paul this is not straightforward, > and is not handled in the documentation. It would appear that the > script as provided would need to upgraded to work in both environments. It's not the externals that are treated differently between the IDE and a standalone, it's the fact that in the IDE the application stack doesn't receive a "startup" message. If you choose to use a "startup" handler to construct an external name that varies from platform to platform (i.e., foo.dll vs. foo.bundle), it will only work in standalones. However, if you're not making standalones (or are making one for only one platform), then this isn't an issue, and you can merely set the externals property of your main stack manually, using the single pathname appropriate to the platform you're running on. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Tue May 4 20:53:56 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 10:53:56 +1000 Subject: Newbie question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/05/10 10:46 AM, "Andre Garzia" wrote: > I haven't used SC/HC but I do use background groups a lot. I tend to always > have a bg group named "interface" on my projects that holds the common user > interface for the app, then using different cards, I just create the > modified parts, this way, instead of showing/hiding controls as the > interface changes reacting to the user input, I navigate to different cards. > > > Typically my interface group consists of navigation stuff so that the user > can access the other cards and status displays so that I have a uniform way > of presenting stuff. > > I like working that way but I don't know how people here work. So this is > feedback from someone that never knew HC or SC prior to using RR. I used both HC and SC before Rev and usually work in much the same was as Andre describes. I occasionally do quite complex interfaces with multiples views on a single card (hiding and showing interface groups) but when you're dealing with a large number of controls that can be a pain to edit and debug. Terry... From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue May 4 22:20:41 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 21:20:41 -0500 Subject: Newbie question In-Reply-To: <8F8D9986-EC04-4553-8823-B01256675126@twft.com> References: <849418030912230952i47cb8373q39b73194e7f0b5ef@mail.gmail.com> <7EE8F383-3962-48A3-8785-6BB236EE6512@economy-x-talk.com> <849418030912231006h164b5749g6110c1bca4eed55d@mail.gmail.com> <89276E85-0CBA-4BD4-BBA2-E11FC9869CEE@mac.com> <1BA5480C-437F-470E-B2F6-F9F855B3CFBA@verizon.net> <83CEFFE5-FDD4-44BA-BA4C-D5044D749735@mac.com> <8F8D9986-EC04-4553-8823-B01256675126@twft.com> Message-ID: <4BE0D5F9.4050105@hyperactivesw.com> Bob Sneidar wrote: > Yes, the primary difference between Hypercard and Revolution is that > in HC cards WERE your records. And they can be in Rev too. > Similar data got added in fields on > many cards with the same "background". With Revolution, you have > access to use SQL databases, so cards become more like forms that > temporarily hold data for the user to work with. You script reading > from and writing to the SQL tables. Using that method, you can see > that there is not much use for backgrounds as such, except to repeat > elements in order to maintain some kind of consistent "look and > feel". Right, that's the preferred approach for large data sets. On the other hand, HC-style card records work just fine in Rev. For someone coming in from HC, I often recommend doing it the comfortable way first. It's easy to change over to a database approach later, and the learning curve is much easier for HC refugees that way. I have had several clients who just want their old HC stacks ported so they will run on modern computers. Most of them are desperate and don't want to spend a lot, and they don't want to learn a new layout. They've been using their stacks for 15 years or more and they like them. For those people I just fix the stacks to make them Rev-compatible -- sometimes even leaving in the old bitmap graphics if I have to. (I fight that. But one client had drawn them himself and didn't want them removed. The customer is the boss.) The HC way isn't the most optimal approach for large data sets, but for anything under about 5,000 records it works. And the HC folks are usually happy with it, at least at first, until they learn the greater potential Rev has. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue May 4 22:27:48 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 21:27:48 -0500 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: References: <20100504183807.6CC7428868B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4BE0D7A4.9010005@hyperactivesw.com> Graham & Heather Harrison wrote: > Jacque, I wish using ../Documents/Revolution ?/Externals was as > simple as you say. It really should be: put your external in, restart > rev, done, dusted, sorted. But no, you still have to write script in > each new stack to point to each External individually. It works the simple way for me. I just dropped the external into that folder, restarted Rev, made a new stack, and made a call to the external from the stack script. Worked okay. The standalone issue is a different thing, but for use in the IDE you shouldn't have to do anything other than restart Rev after placing the external in the folder. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From crw at nosirrah.com Wed May 5 00:13:00 2010 From: crw at nosirrah.com (Graham & Heather Harrison) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 14:13:00 +1000 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <20100505022753.A74A32886D9@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100505022753.A74A32886D9@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <49DBFFB0-EE97-4FCD-9CBE-BF624AD8AA27@nosirrah.com> Jacque wrote: > It works the simple way for me. I just dropped the external into that folder, restarted Rev, made a new stack, and made a call to the external from the stack script. Worked okay. All aboard the Merry-go-round! That looks like the place I came in. This still does not work for me. If it did I would gladly accept it as my modus operandi. Would you please tell me your configuration - rev and Mac OS X. Unless it exactly the same as mine, I think this has to go to QCC. Another thought: what is the External References in the stack Property Inspector. Haven't been able to find anything in the guide. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed May 5 01:25:20 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 22:25:20 -0700 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 80, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: <20100504095555.090EA288727@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <611796750343.20100504222520@ahsoftware.net> Graham- Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 6:45:12 AM, you wrote: > I feel as if I've run afoul of the > Church-of-we-don't-do-it-that-way/Denomination-rev/Sect-externals. rotfl > Mark, you asked why I considered mentioning setting the > Preferences/Files & Memory/User Extensions. Because my two primary > sources - Externals Lesson 2 (explicitly), and Shao Sean's revUp > article on ssMacWindows (implicitly), told me to. But your response, > and my testing, raises the question - what is it used > for._______________________________________________ I'm getting back to this after wading through a day's worth of iPad junk... it's getting so I dread dealing with my email anymore. As Jacque has pointed out, there's a place for user plugin stacks and such. Things that aren't part of the normal rev distribution. For some reason this location isn't created when you install rev, so you have to do it yourself. The first step is figuring out where you want the folder to live. On Windows it's normally in "My Documents" and called "My Revolution Studio" or whatever version you've got. On OSX it's normally in your "Documents" folder and called the same thing. You can call it and put it wherever you want, but I think it's probably best to keep it simple and go with the defaults. So you need to create this folder yourself. Then you need to tell rev about it: Go to rev's preferences under "Files & Memory", click the browse button next to "User Extensions", and select the folder you just created. Rev will create various subfolders inside your user folder: docs, Externals, Plugins, Resources. You can put plugin stacks into the Plugins folder and externals into the ...wait for it... Externals folder and they'll be accessible to any stacks in the IDE. It's a much more flexible way of dealing with third-party things than having to shoehorn them into the hierarchy of the rev app folder structure itself. And less prone to messing things up. And... you can go back to a default state just by renaming your Plugins or Externals folder to something else temporarily for testing. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 5 04:06:45 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 11:06:45 +0300 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 80, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: <611796750343.20100504222520@ahsoftware.net> References: <20100504095555.090EA288727@mail.runrev.com> <611796750343.20100504222520@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4BE12715.4080805@gmail.com> On 05/05/2010 08:25, Mark Wieder wrote: > > As Jacque has pointed out, there's a place for user plugin stacks and > such. Things that aren't part of the normal rev distribution. > > For some reason this location isn't created when you install rev, That's odd; because when I looked inside /Documents I found 2 folders: 'My Revolution Studio' 'My Revolution Media' right below the 'My HyperNext' folder now (Mac OS X) I did not put any of those 3 folders there; so, possibly (as there is the HyperNext one there as well as the RunRev ones) the OS is doing something by itself. > so > you have to do it yourself. The first step is figuring out where you > want the folder to live. On Windows it's normally in "My Documents" > and called "My Revolution Studio" or whatever version you've got. On > OSX it's normally in your "Documents" folder and called the same > thing. You can call it and put it wherever you want, but I think it's > probably best to keep it simple and go with the defaults. > > So you need to create this folder yourself. > Then you need to tell rev about it: > Go to rev's preferences under "Files& Memory", click the browse > button next to "User Extensions", and select the folder you just > created. > Rev will create various subfolders inside your user folder: docs, > Externals, Plugins, Resources. > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 5 08:40:16 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 15:40:16 +0300 Subject: [OT] Another warped idea ? Message-ID: <4BE16730.1040808@gmail.com> http://www.hardmac.com/news/2010/05/05/virtualizing-mac-os-x-on-mac-os-x why not just partition your hard disk, or use another hard disk? From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 5 08:45:04 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 15:45:04 +0300 Subject: [OT] or maybe not ? Message-ID: <4BE16850.3060300@gmail.com> This may be more relevant than we realise, especially in light of recent drawn-out discussions on this list: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/03/macrumors-blood-drive/ "to increase the number of blood donations by people in the Mac community" "Aarrr!" grunts farmer George and wonders who the thirsty vampire might be . . . suggestions both welcome and encouraged be creative (I mean "SJ" is a bit too obvious; and, anyway, he's a vegan; sucks plant juice.) From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed May 5 10:00:49 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 07:00:49 -0700 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 80, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: <4BE12715.4080805@gmail.com> References: <20100504095555.090EA288727@mail.runrev.com> <611796750343.20100504222520@ahsoftware.net> <4BE12715.4080805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1661827679328.20100505070049@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 1:06:45 AM, you wrote: > That's odd; because when I looked inside /Documents > I found 2 folders: > 'My Revolution Studio' > 'My Revolution Media' In that case, I stand corrected. It wasn't the case before, we used to have to create those ourselves. The team must have fixed that up somewhere along the way. It's nice to see, but I wish they'd come up with a better naming scheme. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From bvg at mac.com Wed May 5 11:26:45 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 17:26:45 +0200 Subject: Changing the Style of Words in Field And Quotation Marks? In-Reply-To: References: <4BDF5BBC.2000300@hyperactivesw.com> <389424D9-44AD-4C02-B42F-2E1C60748044@gmail.com> <4BE060BC.7050107@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <8570E49C-FD85-485D-9564-0B0843D69B57@mac.com> I too think that quotes do not make a word, and I guess most people would agree to that. Common sense and programming syntax are way too far away in Rev, and the "word" keyword is unusable (unless doing dirty workarounds) on normal text due to this. Said that, the quote being part of the chunk syntax is hugely useful for handling most forms of csv formatted data (the pox may descent on the people who invented that one!). Bjoernke -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 5 12:44:34 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 18:44:34 +0200 Subject: Programming on iPad Message-ID: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> A PHP programming environnement on iPad : http://lemonade.webhop.net/wiki/index.php/Lemon_ADE:About When RunRev IDE on iPad ? From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 5 12:59:16 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 18:59:16 +0200 Subject: In vitro Message-ID: <1EDB33B7-17E9-457B-BACB-D2A65B4192C8@numericable.com> Just for fun : http://www.randomgallery.net/ Made with ActionScript by my daughter. Who make one with RunRev ? Bon souvenir de Paris Ren? From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 5 13:04:50 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 10:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT] Another warped idea ? In-Reply-To: <4BE16730.1040808@gmail.com> References: <4BE16730.1040808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1273079090233-2131303.post@n4.nabble.com> Its not quite right, it does not let you install OSX just on Virtual Box running on a Mac. It lets you install, with all kinds of caveats, OSX on VB running on anything. I haven't tried, having no interest in running any Apple OS, but that is what its supposed to do. When it comes to testing production software, like Rev, virtualization is a snare and a delusion. But not when it comes to just running stuff as a user. The implication of the present case is, that a particular reference hardware configuration is becoming standardized, regardless of what physical hardware the machine is running. Its going to be harder and harder to keep OSX off non-Apple boxes for ordinary users. If you look at a package like Thininstall from VMWare, there are also real implications for developers who want to tie their app to one physical machine. You cannot any longer prevent an app from being made portable if its installable at all. And in the case of a VM, you move it around, it travels with the same unique hardware identifiers, so even if you tie down your app to a hardware signature, you cannot actually stop proliferation of copies. When you think about it like this, the App Store and the tool restriction ceases to be such a crazy idea. No nicer, but a lot less crazy. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Another-warped-idea-tp2130868p2131303.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kkaufman at snet.net Wed May 5 13:26:37 2010 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:26:37 -0400 Subject: In vitro Message-ID: <002EEACB-3E2C-4E0A-BB45-5E2C6095CD27@snet.net> Clever! She might consider adding lemmings (for their supposed mass behaviors) and rabbits (for their jumping motion as well as for their reproductive proclivities). Kurt From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 5 13:28:54 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 20:28:54 +0300 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 80, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: <1661827679328.20100505070049@ahsoftware.net> References: <20100504095555.090EA288727@mail.runrev.com> <611796750343.20100504222520@ahsoftware.net> <4BE12715.4080805@gmail.com> <1661827679328.20100505070049@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4BE1AAD6.80705@gmail.com> On 05/05/2010 17:00, Mark Wieder wrote: > Richmond- > > Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 1:06:45 AM, you wrote: > >> That's odd; because when I looked inside /Documents >> I found 2 folders: >> 'My Revolution Studio' >> 'My Revolution Media' > In that case, I stand corrected. It wasn't the case before, we used to > have to create those ourselves. The team must have fixed that up > somewhere along the way. It's nice to see, but I wish they'd come up > with a better naming scheme. > Yes; it does remind me of "My Computer", "My Documents" and so on, which has always struck me as rather childish. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 5 13:55:11 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 20:55:11 +0300 Subject: [OT] Another warped idea ? In-Reply-To: <1273079090233-2131303.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4BE16730.1040808@gmail.com> <1273079090233-2131303.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BE1B0FF.3020306@gmail.com> On 05/05/2010 20:04, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > Its not quite right, it does not let you install OSX just on Virtual Box > running on a Mac. It lets you install, with all kinds of caveats, OSX on VB > running on anything. I haven't tried, having no interest in running any > Apple OS, but that is what its supposed to do. Well, we all know, by now, your taste in OS; chacun a son go?t! From my point of view; should my PPC Macs go 'bang' one day, and RunRev not sort out the Linux version the idea of running Mac OS X in Virtual Box simply to run RunRev for Mac is extremely appealing. > When it comes to testing production software, like Rev, virtualization is a > snare and a delusion. That is why I moved from testing Windows standalones on Virtual PC to a headless Pentium 3 running XP. > But not when it comes to just running stuff as a > user. The implication of the present case is, that a particular reference > hardware configuration is becoming standardized, regardless of what physical > hardware the machine is running. Its going to be harder and harder to keep > OSX off non-Apple boxes for ordinary users. > > If you look at a package like Thininstall from VMWare, there are also real > implications for developers who want to tie their app to one physical > machine. Maybe I'm a bit thick, but what possible advantage could accrue from tying an app to either one physical machine (well, if one wants to cheese-off people who have paid good money for your app but don't really want to lug their PC + monitor(s) in the car every time they pop up to the cottage in the country, I suppose it makes sense: think about it; 2 reasonable PCs now cost less than one reasonable laptop, and they generally last longer) ? I own a copy of Runrev Studio 4 for Mac, Win and Linux: down here in Plovdiv, I have RunRev installed on my G4 Mac, a Pentium 3 running XP and an HP 2,5 GHz Pentium 4 running Ubuntu "whatever-the-stupid-animal-name-is-at-the-moment". When I go up to the country house (Yes; you can all breath a sigh of relief; Richmond is buggering off for 4 days - no daft postings) as I have a keyboard, mouse and monitor up there I just pop my G4 macMini (OS X 10.4.11) in the car; with RunRev 4 on it - now, before the licensing chaps at RunRev get all hot and sweaty I should point out that I don't see any moral or legal problem with that, because when I am using licensed RunRev on my kiddy-box in Hrabrino (that's the name of the village where our villa is) I am NOT using any of my machines down in Plovdiv. Now, were Runrev tied to a particular machine that would not be possible, and I would have to take to drugs or something because I couldn't get my Runrev fix on holiday . . . :) Thank You Runtime Revolution; Love and Squeezes from Richmond. > You cannot any longer prevent an app from being made portable if > its installable at all. Oh dear, oh dear; if your app is worth anything at all it WILL be pirated in one way or another; but I am sure sales will bring in sufficient cash that, unless you are a "real so-and-so" you won't lose undue sleep over the fact. Hey; the latest joke is that I have seen my FREE Devawriter on pirate sites: what a laugh, people thinking they are being very clever; pirating a free program: good on them . . . :) Frankly, I take the whole thing as a compliment. I sure hope that happens to my "Pro" version; it probably is worth more than all those silly awards I have on my website: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriter.html I mean, let's face it, as long as your piece of 'poo' isn't a trojan you start getting these "award" about 10 minutes BEFORE you release the blasted thing. Why do I put the things on my website; err . . . because I'm as vain as the next person, and just possibly it will up the level of downloads. > And in the case of a VM, you move it around, it travels with the same unique > hardware identifiers, so even if you tie down your app to a hardware > signature, you cannot actually stop proliferation of copies. Oh, Blah! > When you think about it like this, the App Store and the tool restriction > ceases to be such a crazy idea. No nicer, but a lot less crazy. Yes; rather like 70 year copyright after you are dead and so forth. I don't mind a modicum of protection (even thought the pirates will go on their merry way regardless) while I am alive; after all, I did the work. But after I am dead is ludicrous: my children will inherit enough from me as it is, without them being able to sponge of my efforts even unto the 7th generation; they can earn their own money, and make their own creative decisions. From bobs at twft.com Wed May 5 14:18:28 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 11:18:28 -0700 Subject: [OT] Another warped idea ? In-Reply-To: <1273079090233-2131303.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4BE16730.1040808@gmail.com> <1273079090233-2131303.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54B665F4-FC53-455E-A4AF-32B273826C0C@twft.com> May I beg to differ? It really depends on the virtualization software you employ. I use Parallels, and I can assure you, the problems you would normally encounter with any windows installation, you also encounter in Parallels. Of course, this is not a good test for anything that tries to directly access hardware, but barring that, I think certain virtualization environments are perfect for cross platform testing. Bob On May 5, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > When it comes to testing production software, like Rev, virtualization is a > snare and a delusion. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed May 5 15:20:26 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 21:20:26 +0200 Subject: Programming on iPad In-Reply-To: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> References: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> Message-ID: Hi Ren?, As long as searching for "download" in the wiki returns zero hits, I consider this a hoax. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at http://www.twistaword.net Op 5 mei 2010, om 18:44 heeft Ren? Micout het volgende geschreven: > A PHP programming environnement on iPad : > > http://lemonade.webhop.net/wiki/index.php/Lemon_ADE:About > > When RunRev IDE on iPad ? From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 5 15:26:47 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 22:26:47 +0300 Subject: [OT] Another warped idea ? In-Reply-To: <54B665F4-FC53-455E-A4AF-32B273826C0C@twft.com> References: <4BE16730.1040808@gmail.com> <1273079090233-2131303.post@n4.nabble.com> <54B665F4-FC53-455E-A4AF-32B273826C0C@twft.com> Message-ID: <4BE1C677.6060603@gmail.com> On 05/05/2010 21:18, Bob Sneidar wrote: > May I beg to differ? It really depends on the virtualization software you employ. I use Parallels, and I can assure you, the problems you would normally encounter with any windows installation, you also encounter in Parallels. Of course, this is not a good test for anything that tries to directly access hardware, but barring that, I think certain virtualization environments are perfect for cross platform testing. > > Bob > > > On May 5, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > >> When it comes to testing production software, like Rev, virtualization is a >> snare and a delusion. Which ever way you cut things virtualization/emulation (and we do need to include both those options here) is NOT the real thing. Undoubtedly certain types of virtualization/emulation are better than others. But, to a certain extent, it is impossible to test your piece of software on every operating system operating on every possible piece of hardware that OS can work on: While Mac OS can run on a relatively restricted class of machines there are still considerable differences, say, between the G3 'Bondi' (of which we heard eariler) at Mum and Dad's house running 10.3.9 (well 'lurching along' might be a better way of putting things), and the swanky Intel laptops I saw at the Edinburgh conference. Windows and Linux both try to be, very nearly, all things to all men (well at least as far as iX86 machines are concerned). Probably the whole of computing is one socking great delusion and illusion; but, working on that basis we might as well pack up and go back to our abacuses and slide rules. Mind you, there is a school of thought, with which I sometimes concur, that that is the best thing we could possibly do. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Having tested (myself) my Devawriter on Mac and Windows XP; having had it fairly extensively tested by chaps who are much better at that sort of thing than I am, it turns out there is a 'nasty' with at least one end-user's Windows Vista: whether it is a RunRev or a Richmond problem has yet to be worked out. So, 'stealing' a friend's Vista-running laptop over the St George's day holiday (well, oddly appropriate; dueling with the dragon of software testing; the main problem being that I feel rather like the virgin chained to the rock). However, there are only so many hours in the day, and, inevitably something is going to get through the 'sieve', and one cannot please all people (or all computers) all the time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you came to my house and saw 4 computers + monitors squeezed into 2 square metres you might admit that virtualization/emulation was not an entirely bad thing . . . :) From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 5 15:36:14 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 14:36:14 -0500 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <49DBFFB0-EE97-4FCD-9CBE-BF624AD8AA27@nosirrah.com> References: <20100505022753.A74A32886D9@mail.runrev.com> <49DBFFB0-EE97-4FCD-9CBE-BF624AD8AA27@nosirrah.com> Message-ID: <4BE1C8AE.40708@hyperactivesw.com> Graham & Heather Harrison wrote: > Jacque wrote: > >> It works the simple way for me. I just dropped the external into >> that folder, restarted Rev, made a new stack, and made a call to >> the external from the stack script. Worked okay. > > All aboard the Merry-go-round! > > That looks like the place I came in. This still does not work for me. > If it did I would gladly accept it as my modus operandi. > > Would you please tell me your configuration - rev and Mac OS X. > Unless it exactly the same as mine, I think this has to go to QCC. I don't think the configuration matters, but I just (re)tried it on both Leopard and Snow Leopard, on an iMac and a MacBook Pro. It works fine. The Snow Leopard MacBook had never seen the external before so it was a clean install. I dropped ssMacWindows.bundle into the Externals folder at Documents/My Revolution Enterprise/Externals/ and then launched Rev. I made a new stack with this script in the card: on mouseUp put ssMacWindowsInformation() end mouseUp When I click on the card, I get the info in the message box. The same method worked on my iMac running Leopard and Rev 4.0. > > Another thought: what is the External References in the stack > Property Inspector. Haven't been able to find anything in the > guide. That's the shortcut way to assign externals to a particular stack. It does the same thing as the line of script that Mark Weider mentioned; it just sets the externals property of your stack to the hard-coded file path you choose. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 5 15:38:09 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 22:38:09 +0300 Subject: Programming on iPad In-Reply-To: References: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> Message-ID: <4BE1C921.3000000@gmail.com> Lemon ADE Oh, come on: what about 'Gin N Tonic', 'Bhang N Mantra', 'Iced TEA', 'Grabbitn RUN', 'Yuve bin HADD' ? go here: http://lemonade.webhop.net/ and all one gets is a single link to: http://lemonade.webhop.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page and then: the User Interface; which is very odd indeed, and states " The AST Viewer is an OpenGL interface to the AST tree that will eventually export to a programmable language" 'Quhen ?" as we say in Scots. it talks about tree-mapping, in a way that reminds me of a song by Burl Ives . . .: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rock_Candy_Mountain and a Reference Manual: http://lemonade.webhop.net/wiki/index.php/Reference_Manual ---------------------------------------------------------------- Whatever else it may be, this is not a programming envronment. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Did you know, that if you stick the straw up one of your nostrils, plug the other one, and inhale, you will be in serious trouble ? From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 5 15:38:46 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 21:38:46 +0200 Subject: Programming on iPad In-Reply-To: References: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> Message-ID: And this ? : http://lemonade.webhop.net/wiki/index.php/User_Interface Le 5 mai 2010 ? 21:20, Mark Schonewille a ?crit : > Hi Ren?, > > As long as searching for "download" in the wiki returns zero hits, I consider this a hoax. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at http://www.twistaword.net > > Op 5 mei 2010, om 18:44 heeft Ren? Micout het volgende geschreven: > >> A PHP programming environnement on iPad : >> >> http://lemonade.webhop.net/wiki/index.php/Lemon_ADE:About >> >> When RunRev IDE on iPad ? > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed May 5 15:45:11 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 21:45:11 +0200 Subject: Programming on iPad In-Reply-To: References: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> Message-ID: <3E282D10-CF71-48DE-8463-7EA785E9A79F@economy-x-talk.com> Just pictures. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at http://www.twistaword.net Op 5 mei 2010, om 21:38 heeft Ren? Micout het volgende geschreven: > And this ? : > > http://lemonade.webhop.net/wiki/index.php/User_Interface From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 5 15:46:48 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 21:46:48 +0200 Subject: Programming on iPad In-Reply-To: <3E282D10-CF71-48DE-8463-7EA785E9A79F@economy-x-talk.com> References: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> <3E282D10-CF71-48DE-8463-7EA785E9A79F@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Bizarre ! I have also texte... ?! Le 5 mai 2010 ? 21:45, Mark Schonewille a ?crit : > Just pictures. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at http://www.twistaword.net > > Op 5 mei 2010, om 21:38 heeft Ren? Micout het volgende geschreven: > >> And this ? : >> >> http://lemonade.webhop.net/wiki/index.php/User_Interface > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed May 5 15:51:07 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 21:51:07 +0200 Subject: Programming on iPad In-Reply-To: References: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> <3E282D10-CF71-48DE-8463-7EA785E9A79F@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: That's not what I mean, Ren?! of course there is text, but the the only "proof" of an interface is the pictures. There are no actual downloads. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at http://www.twistaword.net Op 5 mei 2010, om 21:46 heeft Ren? Micout het volgende geschreven: > Bizarre ! I have also texte... ?! > From kunicki at gmail.com Wed May 5 15:56:13 2010 From: kunicki at gmail.com (Chris & Dawn Kunicki) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 21:56:13 +0200 Subject: Great post on Jerry Daniels Blog Message-ID: I am a satisfied tRev customer. I just want to mention that, I think Jerry has a simple and practical way of looking at things. I really liked his most recent blog entry: http://reveditor.com/new-tools-for-emerging-oss Basically he is in love with the iPad. And its deserved. He raises some good perspective about Apple, Rev, and the future. K P.S. Sorry for cross posting this, but wanted you all to see it as well. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 5 16:02:51 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 23:02:51 +0300 Subject: Programming on iPad In-Reply-To: References: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> <3E282D10-CF71-48DE-8463-7EA785E9A79F@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <4BE1CEEB.8030305@gmail.com> On 05/05/2010 22:51, Mark Schonewille wrote: > That's not what I mean, Ren?! of course there is text, but the the > only "proof" of an interface is the pictures. There are no actual > downloads. > It is as clear as the nose on the end of my face: 'tis a leg-pull; and not a very convincing one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Download a fully working demo of WunWev, the wave of the future; an objectionably-oriented programming IDE designed by people who would like to make things as difficult as they possibly can for you to work out what is actually going on: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/WunWev.html sowwy, no pwetty pictures; chairman on howiday . . . :) From crw at nosirrah.com Wed May 5 15:04:08 2010 From: crw at nosirrah.com (Graham & Heather Harrison) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 05:04:08 +1000 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <20100505170004.2B43828873F@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100505170004.2B43828873F@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <469A36D5-0915-4169-B536-2EA7B1DCA03C@nosirrah.com> Mark Wieder wrote: > So you need to create this folder yourself. Then you need to tell rev about it: > Go to rev's preferences under "Files & Memory", click the browse button next to "User Extensions", and select the folder you just created. So you and Jacque say. But I reiterate: This does not work for me - rev 4.0.0 Mac OS X 10.6.3. Please let me know your configuration; rev and OS X. Unless I find someone using my exact configuration for whom it does work, this is going to QCC. And I will continue to to use my method - it works. From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Wed May 5 16:56:23 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:56:23 -0700 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 80, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: <4BE1AAD6.80705@gmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Richmond Mathewson > > Yes; it does remind me of "My Computer", "My Documents" and so on, which > has always struck me as rather childish. Like "My Weekly Reader". -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 5 16:57:33 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 22:57:33 +0200 Subject: Programming on iPad In-Reply-To: <4BE1CEEB.8030305@gmail.com> References: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> <3E282D10-CF71-48DE-8463-7EA785E9A79F@economy-x-talk.com> <4BE1CEEB.8030305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2482752B-7B54-4A47-A977-D90D2F2F79D1@numericable.com> :-) + :-) Le 5 mai 2010 ? 22:02, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > > http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/WunWev.html > From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 5 16:59:01 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 22:59:01 +0200 Subject: Programming on iPad In-Reply-To: <4BE1CEEB.8030305@gmail.com> References: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> <3E282D10-CF71-48DE-8463-7EA785E9A79F@economy-x-talk.com> <4BE1CEEB.8030305@gmail.com> Message-ID: See that, but in French ! http://www.mac4ever.com/news/54083/developper_en_php_sur_ipad/ Le 5 mai 2010 ? 22:02, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > On 05/05/2010 22:51, Mark Schonewille wrote: >> That's not what I mean, Ren?! of course there is text, but the the only "proof" of an interface is the pictures. There are no actual downloads. >> > > It is as clear as the nose on the end of my face: 'tis a leg-pull; and not a very convincing one. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Download a fully working demo of WunWev, the wave of the future; an objectionably-oriented > programming IDE designed by people who would like to make things as difficult as they possibly > can for you to work out what is actually going on: > > http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/WunWev.html > > sowwy, no pwetty pictures; chairman on howiday . . . :) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 5 17:28:32 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 16:28:32 -0500 Subject: User Extensions/Externals In-Reply-To: <469A36D5-0915-4169-B536-2EA7B1DCA03C@nosirrah.com> References: <20100505170004.2B43828873F@mail.runrev.com> <469A36D5-0915-4169-B536-2EA7B1DCA03C@nosirrah.com> Message-ID: <4BE1E300.9030208@hyperactivesw.com> Graham & Heather Harrison wrote: > Mark Wieder wrote: > >> So you need to create this folder yourself. Then you need to tell >> rev about it: Go to rev's preferences under "Files & Memory", click >> the browse button next to "User Extensions", and select the folder >> you just created. > > So you and Jacque say. But I reiterate: This does not work for me - > rev 4.0.0 Mac OS X 10.6.3. > > Please let me know your configuration; rev and OS X. Unless I find > someone using my exact configuration for whom it does work, this is > going to QCC. And I will continue to to use my method - it works. This one isn't your system config. Rev just looks at the Externals folder contents and loads what it sees in there. It's worked the same way for the last 10 years across all versions of Rev and in all operating systems. If you've already set up the external your original way (into the Rev app folder itself) then that could cause a conflict and may be what's preventing the standard method from working. But as long as it works for you, leave it for now. It will stop working the next time you update Rev though. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From hershrev at syp2u4c.com Wed May 5 18:19:43 2010 From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 18:19:43 -0400 Subject: Sockets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I checked it out, I did realize that there are 2 ports being used 1 form client to server and 1 from server to client. Though I don't know how to make use of it in my case. Also I think there is a typo in tnhe example script (sSocket instead of pSocket) or something doesn't work properly. I did get some info from it. NOW, This what I wrote; on mouseUp put "192.168.1.199:4559" into pSocket open socket to pSocket read from socket pSocket until return put it into fld "f1" -----to trace results write "USER admin" & linefeed & "PASS xxxxxx" to socket pSocket read from socket pSocket until return put it into fld "f2" of this stack write "/usr/local/sbin/hfaxd help" & linefeed to socket pSocket read from socket pSocket until return put it into fld "f3" of this stack ----looks like it reenters the same command twice close socket pSocket Now if I repeat the second write twice then this is what I get........... 500 /USR/LOCAL/SBIN/HFAXD: Command not recognized. end mouseUp Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks, Hershel On 4/29/10 3:24 PM, "Hershel Fisch" wrote: > Thanks, I'll check it out. > Hershel > > > On 4/28/10 9:04 AM, "Trevor DeVore" wrote: > >> On Apr 27, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote: >> >>> Hi, could any help me out with a full socket session ? Please! >> >> Perhaps this lesson will help: >> >> http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/12924-How-to-com>> m >> unicate-with-other-applications-using-sockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at chipp.com Wed May 5 18:38:12 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 17:38:12 -0500 Subject: In vitro In-Reply-To: <1EDB33B7-17E9-457B-BACB-D2A65B4192C8@numericable.com> References: <1EDB33B7-17E9-457B-BACB-D2A65B4192C8@numericable.com> Message-ID: I can't see it on my iPad. I'll check it out later when I'm at my desk. BTW, how old is your daughter? From niggemann at uni-wh.de Wed May 5 18:51:03 2010 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 15:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Programming on iPad In-Reply-To: References: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> <3E282D10-CF71-48DE-8463-7EA785E9A79F@economy-x-talk.com> <4BE1CEEB.8030305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1273099863585-2131822.post@n4.nabble.com> look here http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/the-lemon-ade/id369025015?mt=8&affId=1306247 regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Programming-on-iPad-tp2131263p2131822.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 5 18:52:49 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 00:52:49 +0200 Subject: In vitro In-Reply-To: References: <1EDB33B7-17E9-457B-BACB-D2A65B4192C8@numericable.com> Message-ID: <950D8A90-2A44-4D92-9186-9FC0BDF265BA@numericable.com> It is develop with ActionScript (Flash !! > good bye Mr Jobs...) My daughter is 33 All is parameters... Faces, races, hair, glasses, etc... Filiations can be seen Le 6 mai 2010 ? 00:38, Chipp Walters a ?crit : > I can't see it on my iPad. I'll check it out later when I'm at my desk. BTW, > how old is your daughter? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed May 5 18:55:03 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 00:55:03 +0200 Subject: Programming on iPad In-Reply-To: <1273099863585-2131822.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> <3E282D10-CF71-48DE-8463-7EA785E9A79F@economy-x-talk.com> <4BE1CEEB.8030305@gmail.com> <1273099863585-2131822.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Bernd. Now it gets interesting. I wonder if Apple will soon remove this app? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at http://www.twistaword.net Op 6 mei 2010, om 00:51 heeft BNig het volgende geschreven: > > look here > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/the-lemon-ade/id369025015?mt=8&affId=1306247 > regards > Bernd From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 5 18:56:41 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 00:56:41 +0200 Subject: In vitro In-Reply-To: <950D8A90-2A44-4D92-9186-9FC0BDF265BA@numericable.com> References: <1EDB33B7-17E9-457B-BACB-D2A65B4192C8@numericable.com> <950D8A90-2A44-4D92-9186-9FC0BDF265BA@numericable.com> Message-ID: <40A027D1-3B81-474D-B543-CD2B2D997E09@numericable.com> She start develop in 1987 with HyperTalk at 10 Le 6 mai 2010 ? 00:52, Ren? Micout a ?crit : > It is develop with ActionScript (Flash !! > good bye Mr Jobs...) > My daughter is 33 > All is parameters... Faces, races, hair, glasses, etc... Filiations can be seen > > Le 6 mai 2010 ? 00:38, Chipp Walters a ?crit : > >> I can't see it on my iPad. I'll check it out later when I'm at my desk. BTW, >> how old is your daughter? >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 5 18:57:30 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 00:57:30 +0200 Subject: Programming on iPad In-Reply-To: References: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> <3E282D10-CF71-48DE-8463-7EA785E9A79F@economy-x-talk.com> <4BE1CEEB.8030305@gmail.com> <1273099863585-2131822.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5EED8467-663B-4030-BD07-3423E7B33961@numericable.com> Not if it is develop with Objective C (or C++)... Le 6 mai 2010 ? 00:55, Mark Schonewille a ?crit : > Thanks, Bernd. Now it gets interesting. I wonder if Apple will soon remove this app? > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at http://www.twistaword.net > > Op 6 mei 2010, om 00:51 heeft BNig het volgende geschreven: > >> >> look here >> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/the-lemon-ade/id369025015?mt=8&affId=1306247 >> regards >> Bernd > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From niconiko at gmail.com Wed May 5 23:27:52 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:27:52 +0900 Subject: speaking of gif animations In-Reply-To: <6F4AE25C-9FFB-4431-BA71-068846A60643@califex.com> References: <6F4AE25C-9FFB-4431-BA71-068846A60643@califex.com> Message-ID: Old topic I finally got time to attend to. Tereza Snyder suggested constantMask and that I got back to the list with the results. No luck. My gifs made on Fireworks didn't play well with or w/out constantMast set, especially the transparency. But what did work was Thomas McGrath's and Alejandro Tejada's suggestion to use a 3rd party image tool to "unoptimize" the GIF. Tried with GIMP and no problems anymore! Thank you. Been trying to get at that one for years. -- Nicolas Cueto From chipp at chipp.com Thu May 6 01:33:16 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 00:33:16 -0500 Subject: speaking of gif animations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The problem is that Rev doesn't handle the temporal RLE compression in GIFs. So, if you use such compression, you get the artifacting you were seeing. Most browsers handle this type of optimization just fine, as the GIFs only go in one direction: i.e. frame 1,frame 2, frame 3, etc. Temporal optimization stores just the changes between frames. But in Rev, you may need to play an animation backward or randomly, so that is the reason they do not support temporal optimization. BTW, this web service makes great spinning 'busy' gifs: http://ajaxload.info/ From sims at ezpzapps.com Thu May 6 02:33:40 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 08:33:40 +0200 Subject: sound volume - sound engineering Message-ID: <5FE5FAE9-5945-43FE-80A7-C5B5162A2CB4@ezpzapps.com> Perhaps a sound engineering or physics expert might provide me with some insight into my perception of how players, playing sound, work - what the dynamics of sound are. When I listen to one player playing a sound at 100% and then listen to two players playing that same sound but having the playLoudness of both set to 70%, to my untrained ears that it seems to have the same volume as the one player set to 100%. IOW - it seems (to my old compromised ears), that two players playing the same sound/signal at 70% seem as loud as one player set to 100%. I cannot discern any difference until I get the two players into the 50% range. It's as if there is some sort of threshold, where the change in volume becomes obvious if two players are involved. When I play one player and change the playLoudness I can near slighter changes in playLoudness percentage. I'm having a difficult time explaining this... Is there some known effect that matches up with what I'm trying to explain? Is there some non-linear multiplier effect? Some formula for this? sims From rene.micout at numericable.com Thu May 6 02:42:50 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 08:42:50 +0200 Subject: speaking of gif animations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, I work with it : but, with a background color it is necessary to put blending ink to srcCopy Ren? Le 6 mai 2010 ? 07:33, Chipp Walters a ?crit : > The problem is that Rev doesn't handle the temporal RLE compression in GIFs. > So, if you use such compression, you get the artifacting you were seeing. > Most browsers handle this type of optimization just fine, as the GIFs only > go in one direction: i.e. frame 1,frame 2, frame 3, etc. Temporal > optimization stores just the changes between frames. But in Rev, you may > need to play an animation backward or randomly, so that is the reason they > do not support temporal optimization. > > BTW, this web service makes great spinning 'busy' gifs: > http://ajaxload.info/ > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Thu May 6 03:00:24 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:00:24 +0200 Subject: speaking of gif animations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62867387-3084-4A1D-AC2A-D6AF91643FBF@numericable.com> A precision : With a transparent background (background GIF) > put blending ink to blendBurn (for me it is the best result. Le 6 mai 2010 ? 08:42, Ren? Micout a ?crit : > Yes, > I work with it : but, with a background color it is necessary to put blending ink to srcCopy > Ren? > > Le 6 mai 2010 ? 07:33, Chipp Walters a ?crit : > >> The problem is that Rev doesn't handle the temporal RLE compression in GIFs. >> So, if you use such compression, you get the artifacting you were seeing. >> Most browsers handle this type of optimization just fine, as the GIFs only >> go in one direction: i.e. frame 1,frame 2, frame 3, etc. Temporal >> optimization stores just the changes between frames. But in Rev, you may >> need to play an animation backward or randomly, so that is the reason they >> do not support temporal optimization. >> >> BTW, this web service makes great spinning 'busy' gifs: >> http://ajaxload.info/ >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revolution at derbrill.de Thu May 6 03:02:31 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:02:31 +0200 Subject: sound volume - sound engineering In-Reply-To: <20100421170004.15AA6288675@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100421170004.15AA6288675@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <8C28C6F3-B3DF-4B54-B83A-3751C2CB1327@derbrill.de> Hi Sims, sound pressure is logarithmic. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel Also when you use two players playing the same sound, you might possibly well experience (at least partial) phase cancellation of the sound. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_cancellation Hope that helps, Malte From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 6 03:10:04 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 00:10:04 -0700 Subject: sound volume - sound engineering In-Reply-To: <5FE5FAE9-5945-43FE-80A7-C5B5162A2CB4@ezpzapps.com> References: <5FE5FAE9-5945-43FE-80A7-C5B5162A2CB4@ezpzapps.com> Message-ID: The audio level control on the mac is not "tapered" for audio. Physical volume controls on audio gear use a LOG taper. Once in a while one will run into a consumer product with a LINEAR taper volume control in the circuit - and you will notice it - most of the level change will appear in the first 30% of the taper. Once upon a time I built an audio control surface, and used linear Penny and Giles conductive plastic linear faders. The faders were hooked up to a-d converters which remotely controlled level in a rack elsewhere. I had to create a look-up table in software to recreate the analog "feel". On 5 May 2010 23:33, jim sims wrote: > Perhaps a sound engineering or physics expert might provide me with some > insight into my perception of how players, playing sound, work - what the > dynamics of sound are. > > When I listen to one player playing a sound at 100% and then listen to two > players playing that same sound but having the playLoudness of both set to > 70%, to my untrained ears that it seems to have the same volume as the one > player set to 100%. > > IOW - it seems (to my old compromised ears), that two players playing the > same sound/signal at 70% seem as loud as one player set to 100%. > > I cannot discern any difference until I get the two players into the 50% > range. > > It's as if there is some sort of threshold, where the change in volume > becomes obvious if two players are involved. When I play one player and > change the playLoudness I can near slighter changes in playLoudness > percentage. > > I'm having a difficult time explaining this... > > Is there some known effect that matches up with what I'm trying to explain? > > Is there some non-linear multiplier effect? Some formula for this? > > sims_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 6 03:16:24 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 00:16:24 -0700 Subject: sound volume - sound engineering In-Reply-To: <8C28C6F3-B3DF-4B54-B83A-3751C2CB1327@derbrill.de> References: <20100421170004.15AA6288675@mail.runrev.com> <8C28C6F3-B3DF-4B54-B83A-3751C2CB1327@derbrill.de> Message-ID: Actually I beg differer on the cancellation. If the two sets of signals are from the same source are indeed identical, phase is locked and of the same polarity, then the level (voltage) will be additive. On 6 May 2010 00:02, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > Hi Sims, > > sound pressure is logarithmic. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel > > Also when you use two players playing the same sound, you might possibly > well experience (at least partial) phase cancellation of the sound. > > See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_cancellation > > Hope that helps, > > Malte_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From revolution at derbrill.de Thu May 6 03:37:53 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:37:53 +0200 Subject: sound volume - sound engineering In-Reply-To: <20100421170004.15AA6288675@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100421170004.15AA6288675@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hey Stephen, you are far more an expert than me in this regard. (Just a hobbyist musician here.) However, as you can not sync two players there will (at least as I understand it) a slight delay in start time of the second audio source, which might lead to at least partial cancellation. Please correct me if I am wrong. Always eager to learn more about this stuff. :-) All the best, Malte From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu May 6 05:50:40 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 10:50:40 +0100 Subject: Programming on iPad In-Reply-To: <5EED8467-663B-4030-BD07-3423E7B33961@numericable.com> References: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> <3E282D10-CF71-48DE-8463-7EA785E9A79F@economy-x-talk.com> <4BE1CEEB.8030305@gmail.com> <1273099863585-2131822.post@n4.nabble.com> <5EED8467-663B-4030-BD07-3423E7B33961@numericable.com> Message-ID: <54F8E787-C429-455C-94A7-390175451424@azurevision.co.uk> On 5 May 2010, at 23:57, Ren? Micout wrote: > Not if it is develop with Objective C (or C++)... If it actually *runs* anything in the dev environment then it falls foul of the 'no interpreted code' clause no matter what is was written in, but then so do most of the games on the store. Ian From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu May 6 06:23:05 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 20:23:05 +1000 Subject: Programming on iPad In-Reply-To: <54F8E787-C429-455C-94A7-390175451424@azurevision.co.uk> References: <9469A5F3-FDDD-44CB-BB87-672038F99348@numericable.com> <3E282D10-CF71-48DE-8463-7EA785E9A79F@economy-x-talk.com> <4BE1CEEB.8030305@gmail.com> <1273099863585-2131822.post@n4.nabble.com> <5EED8467-663B-4030-BD07-3423E7B33961@numericable.com> <54F8E787-C429-455C-94A7-390175451424@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: >> Not if it is develop with Objective C (or C++)... > > If it actually *runs* anything in the dev environment then it falls foul of > the 'no interpreted code' clause no matter what is was written in, but then > so do most of the games on the store. It creates PHP files, which then run through the browser, not through the app. Sounds OK to me. Weird interface, but very interesting as a concept. Cheers, Sarah From sims at ezpzapps.com Thu May 6 07:42:20 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 13:42:20 +0200 Subject: sound volume - sound engineering In-Reply-To: References: <5FE5FAE9-5945-43FE-80A7-C5B5162A2CB4@ezpzapps.com> Message-ID: <74CCCF3F-8030-4229-8E65-9A5A47254D00@ezpzapps.com> On May 6, 2010, at 9:10 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > The audio level control on the mac is not "tapered" for audio. Physical > volume controls on audio gear use a LOG taper. Once in a while one will run > into a consumer product with a LINEAR taper volume control in the circuit - > and you will notice it - most of the level change will appear in the first > 30% of the taper. Yikes! This is one of those "Be careful what you ask for" situations I think. Haven't soldered a pot since I made shortwave radios and listened to Voice of the Andes and Radio Moscow! I guess the simple answer, for me at least, is "Listen to the sound and adjust by ear" - don't trust numbers. YMMV As for playing audio, I'm going to explore afplay, and some other options. OS X 10.5 includes a command line audio player (in /usr/bin) called afplay. This is very useful if you want to play a sound file from the command line, shell script, Automator action, etc. The /usr/bin directory is in your path by default, so you can just type afplay file.mp3 to play that file. afplay makes use of Core Audio, so I think it can play any audio file that QuickTime supports (including mp3, aiff, wav, etc.). There's a very simple man page for afplay, which then tells you that help is available with afplay -h. There are a few interesting options, including the ability to play a defined (in time) segment of a file, and to play a file to a defined audio output device. Thanks for the quick answers! sims The following is for the List Archives, just in case someone else is exploring the issue some day. -------- The List Archive is your friend ------- http://www.geofex.com/article_folders/potsecrets/potscret.htm The human ear does not respond linearly to loudness. It responds to the logarithm of loudness. That means that for a sound to seem twice as loud, it has to be almost ten times the actual change in air pressure. For us to have a control pot that seems to make a linear change in loudness per unit of rotation, the control must compensate for the human ear's oddity and supply ever-increasing amounts of signal per unit rotation. This compensating resistance taper is accurately called a "left hand logarithmic taper" but for historical reasons has been called an audio or log pot. In these pots, the wiper traverses resistance very slowly at first, then faster as the rotation increases. The actual curve looks exponential if you plot resistance or voltage division ratios per unit of rotation. If you used an audio/log taper pot for the control of the power supply we mentioned, the output voltage would increase very slowly at first, creeping up to maybe 10% of the final output at 50% of the pot rotation. It would then blast the other 90% in the last half of the rotation - very hard to control. Likewise, if we used a linear pot for volume control, the volume would come up dramatically in the first half of pot rotation, and then do very little change in the last half. -------- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potentiometer Potentiometers are widely used as user controls, and may control a very wide variety of equipment functions. The widespread use of potentiometers in consumer electronics has declined in the 1990s, with digital controls now more common. However they remain in many applications, such as volume controls and as position sensors. Linear potentiometers ("faders") One of the most common uses for modern low-power potentiometers is as audio control devices. Both linear pots (also known as "faders") and rotary potentiometers (commonly called knobs) are regularly used to adjust loudness, frequency attenuation and other characteristics of audio signals. The 'log pot' is used as the volume control in audio amplifiers, where it is also called an "audio taper pot", because the amplituderesponse of the human ear is also logarithmic. It ensures that, on a volume control marked 0 to 10, for example, a setting of 5 sounds half as loud as a setting of 10. There is also an anti-log pot or reverse audio taper which is simply the reverse of a log pot. It is almost always used in a ganged configuration with a log pot, for instance, in an audio balance control. From mikekann at yahoo.com Thu May 6 07:52:36 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 04:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Programming on iPad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <617424.94084.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "Sounds OK to me." Sarah "Me, too." Steve Check out this blog: http://www.phonegap.com/2010/04/14/phonegap-and-the-apple-developer-license-agreement/ --- On Thu, 5/6/10, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > From: Sarah Reichelt > Subject: Re: Programming on iPad > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 5:23 AM > >> Not if it is develop with > Objective C (or C++)... > > > > If it actually *runs* anything in the dev environment > then it falls foul of > > the 'no interpreted code' clause no matter what is was > written in, but then > > so do most of the games on the store. > > It creates PHP files, which then run through the browser, > not through the app. > Sounds OK to me. > > Weird interface, but very interesting as a concept. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From kkaufman at snet.net Thu May 6 07:58:28 2010 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 07:58:28 -0400 Subject: sound volume - sound engineering Message-ID: <78170760-4F1A-4668-AF38-9F3B3280CF82@snet.net> Identical, slightly out-of-sync signals used to be known as the "poor man's 'stereo' remix". It creates a very unconvincing false stereo "spread" that really just succeeds in blurring the sound. I have some really old originally-mono LPs that were so "enhanced". -Terrible! Kurt From sims at ezpzapps.com Thu May 6 08:03:03 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 14:03:03 +0200 Subject: sound volume - sound engineering In-Reply-To: <78170760-4F1A-4668-AF38-9F3B3280CF82@snet.net> References: <78170760-4F1A-4668-AF38-9F3B3280CF82@snet.net> Message-ID: On May 6, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote: > Identical, slightly out-of-sync signals used to be known as the "poor man's 'stereo' remix". It creates a very unconvincing false stereo "spread" that really just succeeds in blurring the sound. I have some really old originally-mono LPs that were so "enhanced". -Terrible! What I'm attempting to do is to alter one copy of a sound file, then do a fade in/out from an original to the altered version. The reason/goal for all this is a long story... sims From kkaufman at snet.net Thu May 6 08:13:58 2010 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 08:13:58 -0400 Subject: sound volume - sound engineering Message-ID: <18CC8896-A969-44A2-B804-CB43C5CA64FB@snet.net> "... What I'm attempting to do is to alter one copy of a sound file, then do a fade in/out from an original to the altered version. ..." I would agree with the person who suggested that you're perhaps best off doing that by ear, if possible. "If it sounds good, it IS good." Kurt From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 6 09:12:52 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 06:12:52 -0700 Subject: speaking of gif animations Message-ID: <4BE2C054.9090402@fourthworld.com> Chipp Walters wrote: > The problem is that Rev doesn't handle the temporal RLE compression in GIFs. > So, if you use such compression, you get the artifacting you were seeing. > Most browsers handle this type of optimization just fine, as the GIFs only > go in one direction: i.e. frame 1,frame 2, frame 3, etc. Temporal > optimization stores just the changes between frames. But in Rev, you may > need to play an animation backward or randomly, so that is the reason they > do not support temporal optimization. Does toggling the alwaysBuffer of the image have any effect on this rendering? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 6 10:08:10 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 07:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Great post on Jerry Daniels Blog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1273154890947-2132685.post@n4.nabble.com> It is an interesting and thought provoking posting, agreed. It makes the case that there is a large opportunity from getting firmly inside the Apple camp, and a lot of people agree with this. And it suggests that this is increasingly going to be a decision not about mobile, with the Apple desktop remaining as is. It suggests that the model is going to spread to the Apple desktop in the near future, and this seems plausible. The more walled this Apple camp becomes, and the more it includes all Apple platforms, the more of a binary decision it becomes. The harder it becomes for a small business to be in that camp and in the other two (Linux and Windows), because the less economies of scale there are from being in all of them together. The effect is that you don't get to leverage your investment in Apple in other markets. Which probably makes sense to Apple, and it may then make sense to the smaller business to just give up the other markets and get into the Apple camp. Consider it from the point of view of someone not in the Apple camp, having no intention of going anywhere near it. Some of us left that country years ago and are never going back. We don't use Apple stuff, we don't write for it. For good or bad reasons, one can argue, but that's the way it is. So where, if Jerry is right, does that leave us, if Rev decides to bite the bullet and move in? Probably out in the cold. Its hard to believe there will be enough resources to do all platforms. Its also hard to believe that Apple really wants there to be a genuine cross platform product, and Apple can dictate exactly what you can develop for it on, any of it, in the medium term. So Rev may find itself faced with an awkward choice: dump Linux, or dump Apple. Jerry's argument is, by implication, the rewards are with Apple. Maybe so, intelligent people can argue both sides of the costs benefits and likelihoods. What seems certain is that if this is the choice, we Linux users of Rev are going to get squeezed out. And this is not a trivial tradeoff as it was a year or so ago, because now its also we developers for Android who will get squeezed out as well. Now that is a real tradeoff and it gets to be bet the company time. Not just for Rev, for the small developers too. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Great-post-on-Jerry-Daniels-Blog-tp2131590p2132685.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jerry.daniels at me.com Thu May 6 10:42:26 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 09:42:26 -0500 Subject: Great post on Jerry Daniels Blog In-Reply-To: <1273154890947-2132685.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273154890947-2132685.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Peter, You are right on target with your comments regarding small developers/consultants. They are the ones getting squeezed out by the shake up that Apple has started. I am one of those. What my post points to, more than anything, is a glimpse of a new landscape for app development. My post addresses the Apple scenario exclusively, but I also have the other two major mobile platforms clearly in mind: Android and WebOS. I believe these non-Apple platforms will also migrate to new, larger mobile devices that will edge out laptops and even desktops as we know them today. So, like all good hunters, I aim my arrow ahead of the game, not at it and certainly not behind it. Apple is just my first target. I doubt it will be my last. As I said in the post referenced by this thread, times like this represent huge opportunity for small creative teams. I am not interested in philosophizing about this, however. I am a tool maker with a concrete plan of action. Our Feature Friday post tomorrow at 10AM CDT/US (13:00 GMT) will have the details. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 6, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > > It is an interesting and thought provoking posting, agreed. It makes the > case that there is a large opportunity from getting firmly inside the Apple > camp, and a lot of people agree with this. And it suggests that this is > increasingly going to be a decision not about mobile, with the Apple desktop > remaining as is. It suggests that the model is going to spread to the Apple > desktop in the near future, and this seems plausible. > > The more walled this Apple camp becomes, and the more it includes all Apple > platforms, the more of a binary decision it becomes. The harder it becomes > for a small business to be in that camp and in the other two (Linux and > Windows), because the less economies of scale there are from being in all of > them together. The effect is that you don't get to leverage your investment > in Apple in other markets. Which probably makes sense to Apple, and it may > then make sense to the smaller business to just give up the other markets > and get into the Apple camp. > > Consider it from the point of view of someone not in the Apple camp, having > no intention of going anywhere near it. Some of us left that country years > ago and are never going back. We don't use Apple stuff, we don't write for > it. For good or bad reasons, one can argue, but that's the way it is. So > where, if Jerry is right, does that leave us, if Rev decides to bite the > bullet and move in? > > Probably out in the cold. Its hard to believe there will be enough > resources to do all platforms. Its also hard to believe that Apple really > wants there to be a genuine cross platform product, and Apple can dictate > exactly what you can develop for it on, any of it, in the medium term. So > Rev may find itself faced with an awkward choice: dump Linux, or dump > Apple. > > Jerry's argument is, by implication, the rewards are with Apple. Maybe so, > intelligent people can argue both sides of the costs benefits and > likelihoods. What seems certain is that if this is the choice, we Linux > users of Rev are going to get squeezed out. And this is not a trivial > tradeoff as it was a year or so ago, because now its also we developers for > Android who will get squeezed out as well. Now that is a real tradeoff and > it gets to be bet the company time. Not just for Rev, for the small > developers too. > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Great-post-on-Jerry-Daniels-Blog-tp2131590p2132685.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From kunicki at gmail.com Thu May 6 10:43:12 2010 From: kunicki at gmail.com (Chris & Dawn Kunicki) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:43:12 +0200 Subject: Great post on Jerry Daniels Blog In-Reply-To: <1273154890947-2132685.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273154890947-2132685.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Well thought out! Its difficult to hold your ground though once you start really living with current apple products. I left apple a long time ago and returned in recent years. I believe i will always have an iPhone and I am watching all my friends and workmates do the same. I think the iPad, the concept and the technology is a game changer. I am not sure that Jerry is saying its just the iPad, but what the iPad brings together. Others will obviously compete in the same space. But its hard to avoid at this point. How many iPad's were projected to sell in the first month and how many actually sold? The numbers alone are overwhelming. I hope rev can really resolve this issue or maybe Jerry has a magic card up his sleeve! From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 6 10:53:57 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 07:53:57 -0700 Subject: sound volume - sound engineering In-Reply-To: References: <20100421170004.15AA6288675@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I was not aware that one could play two sounds at the same time on Rev anyway.... With the shorter delays, it has that strange boxy sound that one sometimes gets when trying to record one's voice with a native digital audio workstation: "latency". There are some cancellations in that situation when the delay times are very short like this. What makes such delays interesting is that if one changes the delay length over time, one could create 'flanging' or 'phasing' effects. Years ago, just before the Beatles, Capitol Records came out with a process called "Duophonic" so they could put out 'stereo' records that were originally recorded in mono. It was horrible sounding, like those cheap back seat speaker car delays. Back then we record buyers just made an effort to buy the mono versions if they had this 'effect'. I went further and imported the English mono versions of Rubber Soul and others- they sounded a lot better. The big travesty was when Capitol US issued some Beatle Records with that effect, EMI-Parlophone complained about the use of the effect on US releases and stopped the practice. On 6 May 2010 00:37, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > Hey Stephen, > > you are far more an expert than me in this regard. (Just a hobbyist > musician here.) > However, as you can not sync two players there will (at least as I > understand it) a slight delay in start time of the second audio source, > which might lead > to at least partial cancellation. Please correct me if I am wrong. Always > eager to learn more about this stuff. :-) > > All the best, > > Malte_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From bobs at twft.com Thu May 6 12:01:01 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:01:01 -0700 Subject: Great post on Jerry Daniels Blog In-Reply-To: <1273154890947-2132685.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273154890947-2132685.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Except that Steve Jobs explicitly says it will not. Bob On May 6, 2010, at 7:08 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > It is an interesting and thought provoking posting, agreed. It makes the > case that there is a large opportunity from getting firmly inside the Apple > camp, and a lot of people agree with this. And it suggests that this is > increasingly going to be a decision not about mobile, with the Apple desktop > remaining as is. It suggests that the model is going to spread to the Apple > desktop in the near future, and this seems plausible. From mkoob at rogers.com Thu May 6 12:04:17 2010 From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Rev Videograbber camera compatibility Message-ID: I have a rev based application that uses revvideograbber to capture video and it works well with DV (firewire) cameras (I have tested it with Sony, Cannon, JVC and panasonic DV camcorders.) and the built in mac iSight camera. (the only difficulty I have encountered is when you have a Cannon DV camera and certain Lacie external hard drives connected by firewire.) I have a question from a potential customer as to what cameras are compatible as a video source. Is it safe to say any quicktime compatible camera (USB, (DV)firewire, web cam?) If any of you have used RevVideograbber could you post the cameras that they have used to start a compatibility list? Thanks Martin Koob From jerry.daniels at me.com Thu May 6 12:18:21 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 11:18:21 -0500 Subject: Great post on Jerry Daniels Blog In-Reply-To: References: <1273154890947-2132685.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2E7BF1A3-7101-43A6-8EA9-F14903858BE9@me.com> Bob, I suggest reading Mr. Jobs like you would Bill Clinton. OS X and Macs will not be locked down. However, If a mobile Apple OS moves to a device that looks somewhat like a laptop it won't be called a Mac and it won't run OS X. Lock down. That's my take, anyway. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 6, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Except that Steve Jobs explicitly says it will not. > > Bob > > > On May 6, 2010, at 7:08 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > >> It is an interesting and thought provoking posting, agreed. It makes the >> case that there is a large opportunity from getting firmly inside the Apple >> camp, and a lot of people agree with this. And it suggests that this is >> increasingly going to be a decision not about mobile, with the Apple desktop >> remaining as is. It suggests that the model is going to spread to the Apple >> desktop in the near future, and this seems plausible. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Thu May 6 12:26:55 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:26:55 -0700 Subject: Great post on Jerry Daniels Blog In-Reply-To: <1273154890947-2132685.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273154890947-2132685.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2B76BEB4-1C44-4A00-B4CF-3F6C352652D7@twft.com> I think I know what's bugging you all. I have learned so many dev languages in the past, but none were really like the high level compiler style. Most were interpreted and then semi compiled, like Hypercard, the very old Excel macro language, dBase, etc. I did dig into Pascual for a bit, but when I got to the point where I could start to learn to develop Pascual for the Mac OS graphical interface, the various libraries and API's made me dizzy. Well the thought of having to learn yet another language, and the threat of it going the way of the dodo is enough to send me running around naked screaming like a little girl. (Actually it's not that hard to invoke that response from me but that's another story. ;-) My point is, if you are a small developer who wants to make a living at it, Revolution seems like the goose who laid the golden egg. It seems to promise real cross platform development in real compiled apps that can be marketed. And so it can. So what happens if Jobs tries to turn the entire Apple OS into a glorified iPad, and then force developers to use an app store like mechanism to sell their products? Well let your poor hearts be at rest. All humanity will have to go insane before that happens. Really guys, if RunRev had never developed the iPhone SDK, do you think we would be having this conversation? We would be blissfully ignorant of this what-if scenario and would probably have gotten a lot more work done. The thing is, Apple could have made a device just like the other devices for the sake of development compatibility. But then we wouldn't have the iPhone, or else some other genius company would have done it and been in the same boat Apple is in, which is how to allow other people to write software for it without creating really big security risks. Apple did what Microsoft SHOULD have done many years ago, and that is take security seriously. They came up with a model that allows developers to relatively easily develop apps for the device without compromising the security of the iPhone. And it has stood the test pretty well don't you think? The downside is, if you are going to develop for theiPhone/iPad you are going to have to learn to develop in the Cocoa environment. EEEK! Another development language, and it's a monster! I sympathize with you. But this is no different than it has been up until the Rev SDK. And this has been going on for... well... ever. It broke my heart when Apple announced they would no longer support Hypercard. More still when Excel went to Visual Basic. And I really got good at procedural dbase, and was willing to take on Visual until Microsoft announced they would no longer support Visual Foxpro on the Mac. I hate it, but I understand it. To develop for the iPhone/iPad, we are either going to have to learn Java or C++ or some such ungodly thing, or else not. If Apple relents and backs down from their position, we can all get snot slinging drunk and cry on each other's shoulders for joy, next time there is a Rev convention, but until then it is what it is. Bob From bobs at twft.com Thu May 6 12:28:33 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:28:33 -0700 Subject: Sockets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44243B3A-2D77-4393-A1BA-C4A9BF2231E9@twft.com> Shouldn't you put it AFTER fld "f1" if you are tracing it? Bob On May 5, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote: > Hi, I checked it out, > I did realize that there are 2 ports being used 1 form client to server and > 1 from server to client. Though I don't know how to make use of it in my > case. > Also I think there is a typo in tnhe example script (sSocket instead of > pSocket) or something doesn't work properly. > > I did get some info from it. > > NOW, This what I wrote; > > on mouseUp > put "192.168.1.199:4559" into pSocket > open socket to pSocket > read from socket pSocket until return > put it into fld "f1" -----to trace results > > write "USER admin" & linefeed & "PASS xxxxxx" to socket pSocket > read from socket pSocket until return > put it into fld "f2" of this stack > > write "/usr/local/sbin/hfaxd help" & linefeed to socket pSocket > read from socket pSocket until return > put it into fld "f3" of this stack ----looks like it reenters the > same command twice > close socket pSocket > Now if I repeat the second write twice then this is what I get........... > > 500 /USR/LOCAL/SBIN/HFAXD: Command not recognized. > > end mouseUp > > Any help would be highly appreciated. > Thanks, Hershel > > > > On 4/29/10 3:24 PM, "Hershel Fisch" wrote: > >> Thanks, I'll check it out. >> Hershel >> >> >> On 4/28/10 9:04 AM, "Trevor DeVore" wrote: >> >>> On Apr 27, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, could any help me out with a full socket session ? Please! >>> >>> Perhaps this lesson will help: >>> >>> > http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/12924-How-to-com>> > m >>> unicate-with-other-applications-using-sockets >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Thu May 6 12:38:48 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 18:38:48 +0200 Subject: Great post on Jerry Daniels Blog In-Reply-To: <2B76BEB4-1C44-4A00-B4CF-3F6C352652D7@twft.com> References: <1273154890947-2132685.post@n4.nabble.com> <2B76BEB4-1C44-4A00-B4CF-3F6C352652D7@twft.com> Message-ID: Et en plus tout ce fatras est en anglais !!! ;-) And besides all that stuff is in English !!! ;-) Le 6 mai 2010 ? 18:26, Bob Sneidar a ?crit : > To develop for the iPhone/iPad, we are either going to have to learn Java or C++ or some such ungodly thing From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu May 6 12:39:05 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:39:05 +0100 Subject: Great post on Jerry Daniels Blog In-Reply-To: <2E7BF1A3-7101-43A6-8EA9-F14903858BE9@me.com> References: <1273154890947-2132685.post@n4.nabble.com> <2E7BF1A3-7101-43A6-8EA9-F14903858BE9@me.com> Message-ID: Yeah - mine too. 95% of sales to consumers on iOS for iPhone/iPad style portable devices - 5% to developers on desktop / old style laptops. On 6 May 2010 17:18, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Bob, > > I suggest reading Mr. Jobs like you would Bill Clinton. OS X and Macs will > not be locked down. However, If a mobile Apple OS moves to a device that > looks somewhat like a laptop it won't be called a Mac and it won't run OS X. > Lock down. > > That's my take, anyway. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > From pete at mollysrevenge.com Thu May 6 12:42:32 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:42:32 -0700 Subject: How To Discover The Properties of a Control Message-ID: <8A3C2230-513E-4938-B33A-97BD769553C5@mollysrevenge.com> Is there a simple method to get a list of all the properties associated with a given control along with their settings? I know how to get custom properties but I'm referring to the Revolution properties, most of which appear in the Property Inspector window. I found the propertynames function ibut the dictionary claims it returns all the possible property names used by Revolution, not those associated with a specific control. Thanks, Pete Haworth From DunbarX at aol.com Thu May 6 12:54:11 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:54:11 EDT Subject: How To Discover The Properties of a Control Message-ID: <24786.370db33b.39144e33@aol.com> try; get the properties of yourControl combine it with return and colon This last because the properties is an array, and you need to change it to an ordinary variable in order to read it. Craig Newman From DunbarX at aol.com Thu May 6 12:57:43 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:57:43 EDT Subject: How To Discover The Properties of a Control Message-ID: <24b58.6c89efc6.39144f07@aol.com> Or you can download my "Wizard" from revOnLine. It does all that you asked for, and allows you to change values on the fly. Craig Newman From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 6 13:08:57 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 10:08:57 -0700 Subject: Rev Videograbber camera compatibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've just used videograbber with the Sony TRV-17 and TRV-11 as well as the Hi8 Video/Firewire Deck GV-D200. Also an ancient Firewire iSight camera. I prefer it to many other methods, mainly because the settings will allow me to set the de-interlace to progressive. The videograbber setting panel on the Mac is furnished by quicktime, so compatibility is only limited to whatever limitations are of QT. One of my big complaints about videograbber is that the audio monitoring and switching is nonexistant. In preview mode the audio can be barely heard; in record mode there is no through audio as well. There is also no way to set the input as one can do with the audio. However, speaking of the Mac version, everything gets recorded just fine, and the resultant movs are of good quality. As usual, audio in the video world gets low priority. On 6 May 2010 09:04, Martin Koob wrote: > I have a rev based application that uses revvideograbber to > capture video and it works well with DV (firewire) cameras > (I have tested it with Sony, Cannon, JVC and > panasonic DV camcorders.) and the built in mac iSight camera. > > (the only difficulty I have encountered is when you have a Cannon > DV camera and certain Lacie external hard drives connected by > firewire.) > > I have a question from a potential customer as to what cameras > are compatible as a video source. > > Is it safe to say any quicktime compatible > camera (USB, (DV)firewire, web cam?) > > If any of you have used RevVideograbber could you > post the cameras that they have used to start a > compatibility list? > > Thanks > > Martin Koob > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 13:38:20 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 10:38:20 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <861D6B50-BB4A-48AC-87F0-0F9DF5A17841@randallreetz.com> Is there a resource online or a white paper that describes in basic language how runrev for mobile (specifically for apple products) works? Does it use apple's blessed dev environment at any step in the process? In what form are the final builds? Does it require a player app to be installed on each devise? In short, how does runrev for mobile differ architecturally from the fully blessed apple environment and app format? What are the current plans and how have they changed runrev's previous plans for the revmobile product's base architecture and release protocols? Randall Reetz From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 6 13:44:34 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 10:44:34 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <861D6B50-BB4A-48AC-87F0-0F9DF5A17841@randallreetz.com> References: <861D6B50-BB4A-48AC-87F0-0F9DF5A17841@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: That's trade secret stuff at REV, and current users are on an NDA so they can't talk about it here. You could find out by buying the product. On 6 May 2010 10:38, Randall Reetz wrote: > Is there a resource online or a white paper that describes in basic > language how runrev for mobile (specifically for apple products) works? > Does it use apple's blessed dev environment at any step in the process? In > what form are the final builds? Does it require a player app to be > installed on each devise? In short, how does runrev for mobile differ > architecturally from the fully blessed apple environment and app format? > > What are the current plans and how have they changed runrev's previous > plans for the revmobile product's base architecture and release protocols? > > Randall Reetz_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 13:54:41 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 10:54:41 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <861D6B50-BB4A-48AC-87F0-0F9DF5A17841@randallreetz.com> References: <861D6B50-BB4A-48AC-87F0-0F9DF5A17841@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: Also, will the iphone, ipad specific properties and messages be available for standard stacks? One of the things I have always wanted is a way to declare and parameterize custom messages. Does Rev support this? For instance, I would like to declare as a property of a property that any delta of a property (within range) to propagate a message. set the propMessage of the width [of card graphic x] to true for larger [smaller, within, without] than (300) absolute [relative] The above script would tell card graphic x to send a message every time its width was changed to a value greater than 300 pixels. The message sent would be "width_Message" and would carry the new property value in the container "it". Randall On May 6, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Randall Reetz wrote: > Is there a resource online or a white paper that describes in basic language how runrev for mobile (specifically for apple products) works? Does it use apple's blessed dev environment at any step in the process? In what form are the final builds? Does it require a player app to be installed on each devise? In short, how does runrev for mobile differ architecturally from the fully blessed apple environment and app format? > > What are the current plans and how have they changed runrev's previous plans for the revmobile product's base architecture and release protocols? > > Randall Reetz_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Thu May 6 14:01:53 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 20:01:53 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <861D6B50-BB4A-48AC-87F0-0F9DF5A17841@randallreetz.com> References: <861D6B50-BB4A-48AC-87F0-0F9DF5A17841@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: Randall, at http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/1004 you find lessons about revMobile. There is also a lesson about how to create an app with the PreAlpha. Maybe this answers your questions. Regards, Matthias Am 06.05.2010 um 19:38 schrieb Randall Reetz: > Is there a resource online or a white paper that describes in basic language how runrev for mobile (specifically for apple products) works? Does it use apple's blessed dev environment at any step in the process? In what form are the final builds? Does it require a player app to be installed on each devise? In short, how does runrev for mobile differ architecturally from the fully blessed apple environment and app format? > > What are the current plans and how have they changed runrev's previous plans for the revmobile product's base architecture and release protocols? > > Randall Reetz_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 14:03:38 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:03:38 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <861D6B50-BB4A-48AC-87F0-0F9DF5A17841@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: Wow. So the only way for a potential customer to find out if the runrev mobile solution is likely to pass muster with Apple's new policy (to make an informed purchasing decision), is to purchase the program (and find out later)? I question both the legality of that policy and the obvious and expected negative public relations and marketing outfall. And you guys are complaining about Steve Jobs' autocratic and anti-consumer openness? Randall Reetz On May 6, 2010, at 10:44 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > That's trade secret stuff at REV, and current users are on an NDA so they > can't talk about it here. You could find out by buying the product. > > On 6 May 2010 10:38, Randall Reetz wrote: > >> Is there a resource online or a white paper that describes in basic >> language how runrev for mobile (specifically for apple products) works? >> Does it use apple's blessed dev environment at any step in the process? In >> what form are the final builds? Does it require a player app to be >> installed on each devise? In short, how does runrev for mobile differ >> architecturally from the fully blessed apple environment and app format? >> >> What are the current plans and how have they changed runrev's previous >> plans for the revmobile product's base architecture and release protocols? >> >> Randall Reetz_______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > Back home in SF > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From andre at andregarzia.com Thu May 6 14:12:35 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 15:12:35 -0300 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <861D6B50-BB4A-48AC-87F0-0F9DF5A17841@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: An NDA was signed prior to all that Apple-we-do-evil-but-it-is-beautiful-evil stuff. It is not that people want to keep potential customers in the dark, it is that so far the community does not know what is happening except for the fact that RunRev team is in contact with Apple. All we can say is that currently the way that Revolution Desktop works, meaning, how the standalones are generated and how the engine works will not work with Apple Agreement, so a change is needed on the engine. This is information that is not related to the current fear from the 1.1.3 clause. This is related to Apple preventing code compilation and execution at runtime, this has be so since forever and RunRev was aware of it and RevMobile will do things different than use a JIT compiler like it does now on the Desktop. So all in all, we can't tell you because we don't know. If we knew we would not be able to tell but I believe that documentation would be available. Now, if someone in the community knows and I don't know, then, it is my fault and and I am talking sh*t. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > Wow. > > So the only way for a potential customer to find out if the runrev mobile > solution is likely to pass muster with Apple's new policy (to make an > informed purchasing decision), is to purchase the program (and find out > later)? I question both the legality of that policy and the obvious and > expected negative public relations and marketing outfall. > > And you guys are complaining about Steve Jobs' autocratic and anti-consumer > openness? > > > Randall Reetz > > > On May 6, 2010, at 10:44 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > > > That's trade secret stuff at REV, and current users are on an NDA so they > > can't talk about it here. You could find out by buying the product. > > > > On 6 May 2010 10:38, Randall Reetz wrote: > > > >> Is there a resource online or a white paper that describes in basic > >> language how runrev for mobile (specifically for apple products) works? > >> Does it use apple's blessed dev environment at any step in the process? > In > >> what form are the final builds? Does it require a player app to be > >> installed on each devise? In short, how does runrev for mobile differ > >> architecturally from the fully blessed apple environment and app format? > >> > >> What are the current plans and how have they changed runrev's previous > >> plans for the revmobile product's base architecture and release > protocols? > >> > >> Randall Reetz_______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------------------- > > Stephen Barncard > > Back home in SF > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 6 14:19:16 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 11:19:16 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <4BE30824.30200@fourthworld.com> Randall Reetz wrote: > Is there a resource online or a white paper that describes in basic > language how runrev for mobile (specifically for apple products) > works? Does it use apple's blessed dev environment at any step in > the process? In what form are the final builds? Does it require a > player app to be installed on each devise? In short, how does runrev > for mobile differ architecturally from the fully blessed apple > environment and app format? The last build RunRev shared with its early adopters worked in a way that was compliant with the license terms in force at the time they started that investment, but which has since become redefined by Apple as verboten: You wrote in RevTalk, which the engine then compiled down to a form of object code that would run well on the iPhone with no player and no interpreted code. But under the rules in effect as of 11:19AM this morning (which may change again by this afternoon), one of the unprecedented elements of the license is that Apple limits not only the state of the deliverable object code, but also the provenance of the source code: 3.3.1 ? Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). For more on this provenance aspect see Hank Williams' post: The "must be originally written in" clause is the killer here. Even translating RevTalk to generate C/C++/Objective-C code which was fully compliant with all technical aspects and in all ways indistinguishable from human-written code would be punishable under criminal law. Whether using psuedocode during design, as is a common practice, also violates this clause has yet to be tested. > What are the current plans and how have they changed runrev's > previous plans for the revmobile product's base architecture > and release protocols? Currently unknown. Kevin has noted here that he is in negotiations with Apple to determine the best course of action in light of their sweeping and unexpected change, and will report back here as soon as the outcome is known. As currently written, Apple's current iPhone license agreement seems to leave only four options available to developers: 1. Developing using Apple APIs in only C/C++/Objective-C; because of the unusual provenance clause this option does not appear to be available to RunRev at this time. 2. Develop using JavaScript and WebKit; possible for RunRev, but while some of us do a bit of that in very limited ways it would no doubt be very costly to generate JS from the whole of RevTalk (though Toolbook kinda did that in a useful way). 3. Develop for the rest of the world and wait for Apple to change. 4. Develop for the rest of the world, and for iPhone OS deploy only for "in-house" use under the special provisioning rules that allow it, bypassing the AppStore. I've seen nothing in the license or discussion of it which suggest there is a fifth option; at least any fifth option that doesn't leave developers even more exposed to risk than they already are. I'm confident Kevin will choose from the limited options Apple has provided its developers the one that's in the best interest of this customers. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 14:24:23 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:24:23 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <861D6B50-BB4A-48AC-87F0-0F9DF5A17841@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: <5E653D96-E554-46D5-87C4-B8765A43505A@randallreetz.com> I can't think of a modern democracy who's laws would support the proposition that a potential customer's only access to crucial information effecting a purchasing decision about a product? is to be procured only after they purchase said product. To state this requirement in writing only makes the proposition more illegal (and reprehensible). Who is advising RunRev on legal issues? Randall Reetz On May 6, 2010, at 11:12 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > An NDA was signed prior to all that > Apple-we-do-evil-but-it-is-beautiful-evil stuff. > > It is not that people want to keep potential customers in the dark, it is > that so far the community does not know what is happening except for the > fact that RunRev team is in contact with Apple. > > All we can say is that currently the way that Revolution Desktop works, > meaning, how the standalones are generated and how the engine works will not > work with Apple Agreement, so a change is needed on the engine. This is > information that is not related to the current fear from the 1.1.3 clause. > This is related to Apple preventing code compilation and execution at > runtime, this has be so since forever and RunRev was aware of it and > RevMobile will do things different than use a JIT compiler like it does now > on the Desktop. > > So all in all, we can't tell you because we don't know. > > If we knew we would not be able to tell but I believe that documentation > would be available. > > Now, if someone in the community knows and I don't know, then, it is my > fault and and I am talking sh*t. > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > >> Wow. >> >> So the only way for a potential customer to find out if the runrev mobile >> solution is likely to pass muster with Apple's new policy (to make an >> informed purchasing decision), is to purchase the program (and find out >> later)? I question both the legality of that policy and the obvious and >> expected negative public relations and marketing outfall. >> >> And you guys are complaining about Steve Jobs' autocratic and anti-consumer >> openness? >> >> >> Randall Reetz >> >> >> On May 6, 2010, at 10:44 AM, stephen barncard wrote: >> >>> That's trade secret stuff at REV, and current users are on an NDA so they >>> can't talk about it here. You could find out by buying the product. >>> >>> On 6 May 2010 10:38, Randall Reetz wrote: >>> >>>> Is there a resource online or a white paper that describes in basic >>>> language how runrev for mobile (specifically for apple products) works? >>>> Does it use apple's blessed dev environment at any step in the process? >> In >>>> what form are the final builds? Does it require a player app to be >>>> installed on each devise? In short, how does runrev for mobile differ >>>> architecturally from the fully blessed apple environment and app format? >>>> >>>> What are the current plans and how have they changed runrev's previous >>>> plans for the revmobile product's base architecture and release >> protocols? >>>> >>>> Randall Reetz_______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------- >>> Stephen Barncard >>> Back home in SF >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 14:28:45 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:28:45 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <4BE30824.30200@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE30824.30200@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: So, is Apple demanding that the use of its blessed environment is contingent on purchase (of said)? If not, there must be some way to build the rev stack to iphad app work flow such that rev developers are both within Apple's requirements and are protected from the complexity happening behind the scenes. Randall On May 6, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Randall Reetz wrote: > > > Is there a resource online or a white paper that describes in basic > > language how runrev for mobile (specifically for apple products) > > works? Does it use apple's blessed dev environment at any step in > > the process? In what form are the final builds? Does it require a > > player app to be installed on each devise? In short, how does runrev > > for mobile differ architecturally from the fully blessed apple > > environment and app format? > > The last build RunRev shared with its early adopters worked in a way that was compliant with the license terms in force at the time they started that investment, but which has since become redefined by Apple as verboten: > > You wrote in RevTalk, which the engine then compiled down to a form of object code that would run well on the iPhone with no player and no interpreted code. > > But under the rules in effect as of 11:19AM this morning (which may change again by this afternoon), one of the unprecedented elements of the license is that Apple limits not only the state of the deliverable object code, but also the provenance of the source code: > > 3.3.1 ? Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner > prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. > Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, > or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and > only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and > directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications > that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation > or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). > > For more on this provenance aspect see Hank Williams' post: > > > The "must be originally written in" clause is the killer here. Even translating RevTalk to generate C/C++/Objective-C code which was fully compliant with all technical aspects and in all ways indistinguishable from human-written code would be punishable under criminal law. > > Whether using psuedocode during design, as is a common practice, also violates this clause has yet to be tested. > > > > What are the current plans and how have they changed runrev's > > previous plans for the revmobile product's base architecture > > and release protocols? > > Currently unknown. > > Kevin has noted here that he is in negotiations with Apple to determine the best course of action in light of their sweeping and unexpected change, and will report back here as soon as the outcome is known. > > As currently written, Apple's current iPhone license agreement seems to leave only four options available to developers: > > 1. Developing using Apple APIs in only C/C++/Objective-C; because > of the unusual provenance clause this option does not appear > to be available to RunRev at this time. > > 2. Develop using JavaScript and WebKit; possible for RunRev, but > while some of us do a bit of that in very limited ways it would > no doubt be very costly to generate JS from the whole of RevTalk > (though Toolbook kinda did that in a useful way). > > 3. Develop for the rest of the world and wait for Apple to change. > > 4. Develop for the rest of the world, and for iPhone OS deploy only > for "in-house" use under the special provisioning rules that > allow it, bypassing the AppStore. > > I've seen nothing in the license or discussion of it which suggest there is a fifth option; at least any fifth option that doesn't leave developers even more exposed to risk than they already are. > > I'm confident Kevin will choose from the limited options Apple has provided its developers the one that's in the best interest of this customers. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 14:32:50 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:32:50 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <4BE30824.30200@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE30824.30200@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <69D2365F-27EF-4FE9-9F4F-5656475EEEDB@randallreetz.com> If apple is apples policy is contingent upon the purchase of the blessed IDE than a court will shortly slap it down. Count on it. But the battle could rage on a bit if apple is giving the blessed IDE away. Randall On May 6, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Randall Reetz wrote: > > > Is there a resource online or a white paper that describes in basic > > language how runrev for mobile (specifically for apple products) > > works? Does it use apple's blessed dev environment at any step in > > the process? In what form are the final builds? Does it require a > > player app to be installed on each devise? In short, how does runrev > > for mobile differ architecturally from the fully blessed apple > > environment and app format? > > The last build RunRev shared with its early adopters worked in a way that was compliant with the license terms in force at the time they started that investment, but which has since become redefined by Apple as verboten: > > You wrote in RevTalk, which the engine then compiled down to a form of object code that would run well on the iPhone with no player and no interpreted code. > > But under the rules in effect as of 11:19AM this morning (which may change again by this afternoon), one of the unprecedented elements of the license is that Apple limits not only the state of the deliverable object code, but also the provenance of the source code: > > 3.3.1 ? Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner > prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. > Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, > or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and > only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and > directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications > that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation > or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). > > For more on this provenance aspect see Hank Williams' post: > > > The "must be originally written in" clause is the killer here. Even translating RevTalk to generate C/C++/Objective-C code which was fully compliant with all technical aspects and in all ways indistinguishable from human-written code would be punishable under criminal law. > > Whether using psuedocode during design, as is a common practice, also violates this clause has yet to be tested. > > > > What are the current plans and how have they changed runrev's > > previous plans for the revmobile product's base architecture > > and release protocols? > > Currently unknown. > > Kevin has noted here that he is in negotiations with Apple to determine the best course of action in light of their sweeping and unexpected change, and will report back here as soon as the outcome is known. > > As currently written, Apple's current iPhone license agreement seems to leave only four options available to developers: > > 1. Developing using Apple APIs in only C/C++/Objective-C; because > of the unusual provenance clause this option does not appear > to be available to RunRev at this time. > > 2. Develop using JavaScript and WebKit; possible for RunRev, but > while some of us do a bit of that in very limited ways it would > no doubt be very costly to generate JS from the whole of RevTalk > (though Toolbook kinda did that in a useful way). > > 3. Develop for the rest of the world and wait for Apple to change. > > 4. Develop for the rest of the world, and for iPhone OS deploy only > for "in-house" use under the special provisioning rules that > allow it, bypassing the AppStore. > > I've seen nothing in the license or discussion of it which suggest there is a fifth option; at least any fifth option that doesn't leave developers even more exposed to risk than they already are. > > I'm confident Kevin will choose from the limited options Apple has provided its developers the one that's in the best interest of this customers. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 14:42:19 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:42:19 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <4BE30824.30200@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: One way to do this is the old runrev virtual machine idea (build and distribute a rev stack player app for iphads). The world's legal systems protect (US first amendment) free speech and content authorship such that source content can not be messed with or restricted to or tied to exclusive protocol. No one can tell William Shakespeare what type of pen he can write with or printing presses he can publish with. Apple has walked a fine line here for years. In the world of sound recordings, there has always been enough purchasing venues (record stores) to provide the requisite freedom of expression and publication. But when Apple ties content source to player they are violating the same laws that worked against Microsoft's browser integration scheme. What apple used to get away with when it was the little guy no longer applies now that they dominate the media player landscape. Randall Reetz On May 6, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Randall Reetz wrote: > So, is Apple demanding that the use of its blessed environment is contingent on purchase (of said)? If not, there must be some way to build the rev stack to iphad app work flow such that rev developers are both within Apple's requirements and are protected from the complexity happening behind the scenes. > > Randall > > > On May 6, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> Randall Reetz wrote: >> >>> Is there a resource online or a white paper that describes in basic >>> language how runrev for mobile (specifically for apple products) >>> works? Does it use apple's blessed dev environment at any step in >>> the process? In what form are the final builds? Does it require a >>> player app to be installed on each devise? In short, how does runrev >>> for mobile differ architecturally from the fully blessed apple >>> environment and app format? >> >> The last build RunRev shared with its early adopters worked in a way that was compliant with the license terms in force at the time they started that investment, but which has since become redefined by Apple as verboten: >> >> You wrote in RevTalk, which the engine then compiled down to a form of object code that would run well on the iPhone with no player and no interpreted code. >> >> But under the rules in effect as of 11:19AM this morning (which may change again by this afternoon), one of the unprecedented elements of the license is that Apple limits not only the state of the deliverable object code, but also the provenance of the source code: >> >> 3.3.1 ? Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner >> prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. >> Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, >> or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and >> only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and >> directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications >> that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation >> or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). >> >> For more on this provenance aspect see Hank Williams' post: >> >> >> The "must be originally written in" clause is the killer here. Even translating RevTalk to generate C/C++/Objective-C code which was fully compliant with all technical aspects and in all ways indistinguishable from human-written code would be punishable under criminal law. >> >> Whether using psuedocode during design, as is a common practice, also violates this clause has yet to be tested. >> >> >>> What are the current plans and how have they changed runrev's >>> previous plans for the revmobile product's base architecture >>> and release protocols? >> >> Currently unknown. >> >> Kevin has noted here that he is in negotiations with Apple to determine the best course of action in light of their sweeping and unexpected change, and will report back here as soon as the outcome is known. >> >> As currently written, Apple's current iPhone license agreement seems to leave only four options available to developers: >> >> 1. Developing using Apple APIs in only C/C++/Objective-C; because >> of the unusual provenance clause this option does not appear >> to be available to RunRev at this time. >> >> 2. Develop using JavaScript and WebKit; possible for RunRev, but >> while some of us do a bit of that in very limited ways it would >> no doubt be very costly to generate JS from the whole of RevTalk >> (though Toolbook kinda did that in a useful way). >> >> 3. Develop for the rest of the world and wait for Apple to change. >> >> 4. Develop for the rest of the world, and for iPhone OS deploy only >> for "in-house" use under the special provisioning rules that >> allow it, bypassing the AppStore. >> >> I've seen nothing in the license or discussion of it which suggest there is a fifth option; at least any fifth option that doesn't leave developers even more exposed to risk than they already are. >> >> I'm confident Kevin will choose from the limited options Apple has provided its developers the one that's in the best interest of this customers. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World >> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com >> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 6 14:43:58 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 11:43:58 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <4BE30DEE.3080307@fourthworld.com> Randall Reetz wrote: > If apple is apples policy is contingent upon the purchase of > the blessed IDE than a court will shortly slap it down. Count > on it. But the battle could rage on a bit if apple is giving > the blessed IDE away. It's free as in beer, just not free as in freedom. In my understanding only portions are FOSS, but all of it needed for development is available without cost to anything but your time. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From andre at andregarzia.com Thu May 6 14:48:54 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 15:48:54 -0300 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <4BE30824.30200@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Randall, Stop. Stop. Take a breath... Inhale.... Exhale.... Calm down... Okay, now let me begin... Facts: Let us not get politickal with all the democracy stuff. No one is withholding information. RevMobile is in flux, it is not finished. What is open is an option to buy it while in Open Beta. If I recall correctly what is being sold is entrance to Alpha/Beta program which includes the final version when shipped. So remember RevMobile is not finished, it is in flux, specially related to how it works and build stuff. Second Fact: Apple gives the SDK for free but that doesn't mean you can sell or distribute for free your software. To do so, you need to enter the iPhone Developer Program ( http://developer.apple.com/iphone ) which costs at least USD 99. Only members of iDP are allowed to submit software for approval and to use AdHoc install procedures on their test devices. What changed is that now apple added a clause to the agreement saying that your submission to the app store needs to be originally written in ObjC/CocoaTouch. Some weeks ago, you could be a member of the iDP and submit applications built with other tools or cross-compiled from other tools. Now you can't. Now back to RevMobile. The users who bought their entrances to the Alpha/Beta program took a bet. They are willing to pay a price because they believe that in the future RevMobile will be great! Most of the current RevMobile testers are people who are going to the 2010 conference I believe since RevMobile was included in the pioneer offer. So RevMobile is not a finished product. So let us keep the legalese and political stuff out and keep hoping for the best. RevMobile as a product is not for sale yet. -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 6 14:49:54 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 11:49:54 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> Randall Reetz wrote: > One way to do this is the old runrev virtual machine idea (build > and distribute a rev stack player app for iphads). The world's > legal systems protect (US first amendment) free speech and content > authorship such that source content can not be messed with or > restricted to or tied to exclusive protocol. No one can tell > William Shakespeare what type of pen he can write with or printing > presses he can publish with. If you write code as prose there is no restriction at play. The restriction applies only to executable instructions, which include all scripting languages. At this time Python, Perl, Squeak, even languages essential for research like R and MatLab, are not allowed in iPhone OS. According to Apple, researchers must use an Android-powered device to do their work. ;) How does this apply to macros and formulas in Apple's own Numbers app? At the moment they may well constitute "executable code", and are certainly interpreted. I'll wager the license changes again as soon as someone points this out to them. What time is it now, and what will the iPhone developer license look like by 2:12PM? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From chipp at chipp.com Thu May 6 14:50:16 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 13:50:16 -0500 Subject: speaking of gif animations In-Reply-To: <4BE2C054.9090402@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE2C054.9090402@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Last time I checked, no On Thursday, May 6, 2010, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Does toggling the alwaysBuffer of the image have any effect on this rendering? From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 14:50:17 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:50:17 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <4BE30824.30200@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <382D5D37-860A-4C90-B797-13E429FE101E@randallreetz.com> If I were rev, I would choose the revPlayer App option. This relegates stacks to source-document status, (not unlike ebooks, pdf's, .txt, html, IM, .snd, .mov, and other source data protocols). Apple would wind up in some deep deep legal poopoo if it was seen to restrict document access and display on their devices. Steve's frustration with Adobe has overrun his ability to think rationally. What surprises me is that nobody at apple had the balls to tell him so and stop the madness before it left campus. Randall Reetz On May 6, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Randall Reetz wrote: > One way to do this is the old runrev virtual machine idea (build and distribute a rev stack player app for iphads). The world's legal systems protect (US first amendment) free speech and content authorship such that source content can not be messed with or restricted to or tied to exclusive protocol. No one can tell William Shakespeare what type of pen he can write with or printing presses he can publish with. > > Apple has walked a fine line here for years. In the world of sound recordings, there has always been enough purchasing venues (record stores) to provide the requisite freedom of expression and publication. But when Apple ties content source to player they are violating the same laws that worked against Microsoft's browser integration scheme. What apple used to get away with when it was the little guy no longer applies now that they dominate the media player landscape. > > Randall Reetz > > > On May 6, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Randall Reetz wrote: > >> So, is Apple demanding that the use of its blessed environment is contingent on purchase (of said)? If not, there must be some way to build the rev stack to iphad app work flow such that rev developers are both within Apple's requirements and are protected from the complexity happening behind the scenes. >> >> Randall >> >> >> On May 6, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >>> Randall Reetz wrote: >>> >>>> Is there a resource online or a white paper that describes in basic >>>> language how runrev for mobile (specifically for apple products) >>>> works? Does it use apple's blessed dev environment at any step in >>>> the process? In what form are the final builds? Does it require a >>>> player app to be installed on each devise? In short, how does runrev >>>> for mobile differ architecturally from the fully blessed apple >>>> environment and app format? >>> >>> The last build RunRev shared with its early adopters worked in a way that was compliant with the license terms in force at the time they started that investment, but which has since become redefined by Apple as verboten: >>> >>> You wrote in RevTalk, which the engine then compiled down to a form of object code that would run well on the iPhone with no player and no interpreted code. >>> >>> But under the rules in effect as of 11:19AM this morning (which may change again by this afternoon), one of the unprecedented elements of the license is that Apple limits not only the state of the deliverable object code, but also the provenance of the source code: >>> >>> 3.3.1 ? Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner >>> prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. >>> Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, >>> or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and >>> only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and >>> directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications >>> that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation >>> or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). >>> >>> For more on this provenance aspect see Hank Williams' post: >>> >>> >>> The "must be originally written in" clause is the killer here. Even translating RevTalk to generate C/C++/Objective-C code which was fully compliant with all technical aspects and in all ways indistinguishable from human-written code would be punishable under criminal law. >>> >>> Whether using psuedocode during design, as is a common practice, also violates this clause has yet to be tested. >>> >>> >>>> What are the current plans and how have they changed runrev's >>>> previous plans for the revmobile product's base architecture >>>> and release protocols? >>> >>> Currently unknown. >>> >>> Kevin has noted here that he is in negotiations with Apple to determine the best course of action in light of their sweeping and unexpected change, and will report back here as soon as the outcome is known. >>> >>> As currently written, Apple's current iPhone license agreement seems to leave only four options available to developers: >>> >>> 1. Developing using Apple APIs in only C/C++/Objective-C; because >>> of the unusual provenance clause this option does not appear >>> to be available to RunRev at this time. >>> >>> 2. Develop using JavaScript and WebKit; possible for RunRev, but >>> while some of us do a bit of that in very limited ways it would >>> no doubt be very costly to generate JS from the whole of RevTalk >>> (though Toolbook kinda did that in a useful way). >>> >>> 3. Develop for the rest of the world and wait for Apple to change. >>> >>> 4. Develop for the rest of the world, and for iPhone OS deploy only >>> for "in-house" use under the special provisioning rules that >>> allow it, bypassing the AppStore. >>> >>> I've seen nothing in the license or discussion of it which suggest there is a fifth option; at least any fifth option that doesn't leave developers even more exposed to risk than they already are. >>> >>> I'm confident Kevin will choose from the limited options Apple has provided its developers the one that's in the best interest of this customers. >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Gaskin >>> Fourth World >>> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >>> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com >>> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From andre at andregarzia.com Thu May 6 14:50:13 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 15:50:13 -0300 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <4BE30DEE.3080307@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE30DEE.3080307@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Richard, except you can't distribute your apps or test them on your device if you are not a member of the iPhone Developer program. What you can get for FREE is SDK access and simulator access. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Randall Reetz wrote: > > > If apple is apples policy is contingent upon the purchase of > > the blessed IDE than a court will shortly slap it down. Count > > on it. But the battle could rage on a bit if apple is giving > > the blessed IDE away. > > It's free as in beer, just not free as in freedom. > > In my understanding only portions are FOSS, but all of it needed for > development is available without cost to anything but your time. > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 14:52:00 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:52:00 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <4BE30DEE.3080307@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE30DEE.3080307@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <143FAC64-146D-4499-8533-0696FDF8AD13@randallreetz.com> How about distribution rights? Are those unlocked? If Rev or someone wanted to distribute Apple's iphad IDE? could they? Randall On May 6, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Randall Reetz wrote: > > > If apple is apples policy is contingent upon the purchase of > > the blessed IDE than a court will shortly slap it down. Count > > on it. But the battle could rage on a bit if apple is giving > > the blessed IDE away. > > It's free as in beer, just not free as in freedom. > > In my understanding only portions are FOSS, but all of it needed for development is available without cost to anything but your time. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 6 14:52:54 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:52:54 -0700 Subject: single bit contact closure input [macintosh] Message-ID: Hi gang, I have a situation where I need a single bit input - on or off ( actually on only momentarily ) "contact closure" into rev. I'm looking for an out of the box solution... for a single stack that will be used frequently. Let me back up and explain. I'm archiving hundreds of DAT tapes to hard drive. I want to preserve the indexes on the DATs, by detecting them and then placing markers on the timeline of the aiff or wav file, that can be used for separating the selections. Detecting the indexes already laboriously placed on the recordings over the years was essential to this archiving process, and can be done with a hardware unit called the HHB Bit Box. You run your SPDIF dat stream through this box, and it can detect these index markers, and closes a relay. On the mac, I need to detect the contact closure. This is the gap in the middle I need to bridge. This will trigger an event. The event is used to send an "M" command by applescript to the application "Sound Studio", thereby triggering a 'create marker' event on the timeline. ideas: I thought I was being real clever when I thought I could use the * recordLoudness* property to detect an audio threshold, then trigger an event. BUT one has to be writing to an audio file while it's running. messy for something that's running all the time. x has anyone tried 1. some hardware point accessible by rev somehow like audio burst on the modem port? CTS connecting to DTS on a serial adapter? (I have the KEYSPAN USB --> Serial adapter ) 2. A small and reasonably priced USB interface box that can work with rev? 3. A cool easy to program STAMP like device that could send packets over TCP/IP this used to be so easy on an Apple ][. Worst CASE I have hardware stuff I can throw together and connect with serial - I've done this for years, but it takes hours and soldering and boards and power supplies, and TIME. And at my age, squinting. Eye pain. Looking for an easier way. Hardware is, well, hard. The software part will take minutes in Rev. thanks for any and all ideas... sqb -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 6 15:01:34 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 12:01:34 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <4BE3120E.5090200@fourthworld.com> Andre Garzia wrote: > Now back to RevMobile. The users who bought their entrances to the > Alpha/Beta program took a bet. They are willing to pay a price because they > believe that in the future RevMobile will be great! Most of the current > RevMobile testers are people who are going to the 2010 conference I believe > since RevMobile was included in the pioneer offer. > > So RevMobile is not a finished product. Far from it. That's an important point Andre, and very I'm glad you made it. Like Rev for the desktop, Rev on the server, and Rev in the browser, RevMobile is a multi-platform solution. And from the videos RunRev has shown it looks like it's well on it's way to being a great one. Even with Apple's change to the license, that only affects a subset of developers on one platform. In-house deployment is not affected at this time, there may still be a resolution for AppStore deployment as well, and all other target OSes remain unchanged. As far as I can tell, everything else RevMobile set out to do is still moving ahead full steam (and possibly more than hasn't been formally announced yet). And with any luck, Apple will come around and their customers can enjoy the party too. With the mobile market even more diverse than the desktop market, multi-platform deployment is more valuable to developers than ever before. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From andre at andregarzia.com Thu May 6 15:01:20 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:01:20 -0300 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <382D5D37-860A-4C90-B797-13E429FE101E@randallreetz.com> References: <4BE30824.30200@fourthworld.com> <382D5D37-860A-4C90-B797-13E429FE101E@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: Randall, There can't be a revPlayer option. For the love of the almighty forum search, check out some information. There can't be any kind of player on iPhone OS. It is restricted. There can't be any kind of code interpreter, code runner, code compiler, code transmogrifier on iPhone OS and this has been the source of most of the problems for everyone. This is the main problem and why RunRev had to change their engine in the first place. This has been told and retold in this list and in basically every other iPhone development list since forever. The restriction on interpretation of code. When you join the iPhone Developer program you accept an agreement that enforces this restriction. If this agreement is not in tune with the U.S. Constitution or whatever is not the point. The point is that you AGREE to abide by some rules, if you break them and they kick you out of the store, then you know why. I remember at least three occasions where I wrote to this list talking on the very subject of engine changes and why interpreters, JIT and all the cool runtime stuff is not allowed. What you sau about "This relegates stacks to source-document status" makes no sense!!! There's a difference between raw data and code. A shakespeare play will not fail to execute, it will not follow logic patterns, it will not do math, it will not post to twitter, it will not execute anything. It is not code. Yes, you can load textual representation of source code in the iPhone but you CANT EXECUTE IT not because some technical flaw but because theres a FREAKING AGREEMENT telling you (and you accepted) that you can't! This is the problem and there's no solution for executing foreign code in the iPhone without violating these rules. The only option is to compile the whole revolution stack down to bytecodes, creating a library that wraps the engine, assembling then together in a nice XCode SDK project so that you just hit build on XCode and be happy. Now, this can be done, but it takes time and resources. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > If I were rev, I would choose the revPlayer App option. This relegates > stacks to source-document status, (not unlike ebooks, pdf's, .txt, html, IM, > .snd, .mov, and other source data protocols). Apple would wind up in some > deep deep legal poopoo if it was seen to restrict document access and > display on their devices. > > Steve's frustration with Adobe has overrun his ability to think rationally. > What surprises me is that nobody at apple had the balls to tell him so and > stop the madness before it left campus. > > Randall Reetz > > On May 6, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Randall Reetz wrote: > > > One way to do this is the old runrev virtual machine idea (build and > distribute a rev stack player app for iphads). The world's legal systems > protect (US first amendment) free speech and content authorship such that > source content can not be messed with or restricted to or tied to exclusive > protocol. No one can tell William Shakespeare what type of pen he can write > with or printing presses he can publish with. > > > > Apple has walked a fine line here for years. In the world of sound > recordings, there has always been enough purchasing venues (record stores) > to provide the requisite freedom of expression and publication. But when > Apple ties content source to player they are violating the same laws that > worked against Microsoft's browser integration scheme. What apple used to > get away with when it was the little guy no longer applies now that they > dominate the media player landscape. > > > > Randall Reetz > > > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Thu May 6 15:01:35 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:01:35 -0300 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <143FAC64-146D-4499-8533-0696FDF8AD13@randallreetz.com> References: <4BE30DEE.3080307@fourthworld.com> <143FAC64-146D-4499-8533-0696FDF8AD13@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: No. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > How about distribution rights? Are those unlocked? If Rev or someone > wanted to distribute Apple's iphad IDE? could they? > > Randall > > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Thu May 6 15:03:48 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: In vitro In-Reply-To: <1EDB33B7-17E9-457B-BACB-D2A65B4192C8@numericable.com> References: <1EDB33B7-17E9-457B-BACB-D2A65B4192C8@numericable.com> Message-ID: <1273172628720-2133198.post@n4.nabble.com> Really nice drawing style! Scaling vector graphics in Rev is not as smooth, but it's possible. Look at this stack, that includes code to scale vector graphics: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/graphics_transformations_01.zip http://webspace.webring.com/people/qc/capellan/graphics_transformations_01.zip http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/graphics_transformations_01.zip Ideally, curves in polygonal vector graphics should be redraw from cubic or quadratic bezier formulas that you could find here: http://webspace.webring.com/people/qc/capellan/CurvedDrawingPen_v01.zip http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/CurvedDrawingPen_v01.zip http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/CurvedDrawingPen_v01.zip Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/In-vitro-tp2131289p2133198.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 15:06:54 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:06:54 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: This is an interesting Supreme Court subject. I could write a tight case that shows that code is content. An executable program is first amendment protected expressive content exactly the same as is expected and enjoyed by a poet or a painter. So, build an ipad and iphone stack runner (using Apple's blessed IDE) and be done with it. Then the question is how to distribute runrev generated stacks for the iphad? After that, the question is: Does apple restrict the distribution of ebooks, movies, sounds or other content as a function of origin, protocol, or content? If so, they will eventually face the courts on that issue for sure. Anyone know what the civil liberties people are doing with regard to this topic? It is one thing to be a media broadcaster or a content source, but to be that and the proprietor of the only equipment through with that same content can be consumed, wow, that is so beyond illegal that it is only a matter of time before Apple gets the big legal spanking it deserves. Randall Reetz On May 6, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Randall Reetz wrote: > > > One way to do this is the old runrev virtual machine idea (build > > and distribute a rev stack player app for iphads). The world's > > legal systems protect (US first amendment) free speech and content > > authorship such that source content can not be messed with or > > restricted to or tied to exclusive protocol. No one can tell > > William Shakespeare what type of pen he can write with or printing > > presses he can publish with. > > If you write code as prose there is no restriction at play. > > The restriction applies only to executable instructions, which include all scripting languages. > > At this time Python, Perl, Squeak, even languages essential for research like R and MatLab, are not allowed in iPhone OS. > > According to Apple, researchers must use an Android-powered device to do their work. ;) > > How does this apply to macros and formulas in Apple's own Numbers app? At the moment they may well constitute "executable code", and are certainly interpreted. I'll wager the license changes again as soon as someone points this out to them. > > What time is it now, and what will the iPhone developer license look like by 2:12PM? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 6 15:10:11 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 12:10:11 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <4BE31413.7060900@fourthworld.com> Andre Garzia wrote: > except you can't distribute your apps or test them on your device if you are > not a member of the iPhone Developer program. > > What you can get for FREE is SDK access and simulator access. Ah, right. Thanks for the reminder. IIRC the cost is pretty low, but I have no opinion on whether the terms are compliant with the US Constitution of the UN Declaration of Human Rights. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: > >> Randall Reetz wrote: >> >> > If apple is apples policy is contingent upon the purchase of >> > the blessed IDE than a court will shortly slap it down. Count >> > on it. But the battle could rage on a bit if apple is giving >> > the blessed IDE away. >> >> It's free as in beer, just not free as in freedom. >> >> In my understanding only portions are FOSS, but all of it needed for >> development is available without cost to anything but your time. >> >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Thu May 6 15:14:14 2010 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 21:14:14 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <416B20E8-1726-4360-ADF1-E2513C825EE2@mines-paristech.fr> Le 6 mai 2010 ? 21:06, Randall Reetz a ?crit : > This is an interesting Supreme Court subject. I could write a tight case that shows that code is content. An executable program is first amendment protected expressive content exactly the same as is expected and enjoyed by a poet or a painter. Ahh... good.... I see the possibility of a Godwin point.... > > So, build an ipad and iphone stack runner (using Apple's blessed IDE) and be done with it. Then the question is how to distribute runrev generated stacks for the iphad? > > After that, the question is: Does apple restrict the distribution of ebooks, movies, sounds or other content as a function of origin, protocol, or content? > > If so, they will eventually face the courts on that issue for sure. Anyone know what the civil liberties people are doing with regard to this topic? It is one thing to be a media broadcaster or a content source, but to be that and the proprietor of the only equipment through with that same content can be consumed, wow, that is so beyond illegal that it is only a matter of time before Apple gets the big legal spanking it deserves. > > Randall Reetz > From andre at andregarzia.com Thu May 6 15:15:09 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:15:09 -0300 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Good idea Randall... build it and go tell the Supreme Court. I will wait here and wonder why tiny Adobe and RunRev team didn't do the same thing. Now being realistic. It is not that simple Randall... You CAN'T BUILD AND DISTRIBUTE A PLAYER, now it is the fifth time I tell that here and the second time I tell it to you. YOU CAN'T and this is not because the U.S. Constitution, actually, there are other goverments in the world with different constitutions and there's something called the E.U. with a whole bunch of cool laws around. It doesn't matter right now because YOU CAN'T DISTRIBUTE SOFTWARE ON THE IPHONE OUTSIDE OF THE APP STORE. The only way to distribute your software is thru the app store. And yes, if you are a member of the iPhone developer program, you can hook up to 100 iDevices to your development machine and install software on them but this is not reasonable way to distribute software. And yes you can be a member of university program or enterprise program and be allowed to install pretty much anything on your university/enterprise iphones/ipads but this still is no solution for those that want to distribute software to end users, the only way to do that is thru the app store and they will not allow a player thru. Sue them if you want, you will not be the only one. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > This is an interesting Supreme Court subject. I could write a tight case > that shows that code is content. An executable program is first amendment > protected expressive content exactly the same as is expected and enjoyed by > a poet or a painter. > > So, build an ipad and iphone stack runner (using Apple's blessed IDE) and > be done with it. Then the question is how to distribute runrev generated > stacks for the iphad? > > After that, the question is: Does apple restrict the distribution of > ebooks, movies, sounds or other content as a function of origin, protocol, > or content? > > If so, they will eventually face the courts on that issue for sure. Anyone > know what the civil liberties people are doing with regard to this topic? > It is one thing to be a media broadcaster or a content source, but to be > that and the proprietor of the only equipment through with that same content > can be consumed, wow, that is so beyond illegal that it is only a matter of > time before Apple gets the big legal spanking it deserves. > > Randall Reetz > > > On May 6, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > > Randall Reetz wrote: > > > > > One way to do this is the old runrev virtual machine idea (build > > > and distribute a rev stack player app for iphads). The world's > > > legal systems protect (US first amendment) free speech and content > > > authorship such that source content can not be messed with or > > > restricted to or tied to exclusive protocol. No one can tell > > > William Shakespeare what type of pen he can write with or printing > > > presses he can publish with. > > > > If you write code as prose there is no restriction at play. > > > > The restriction applies only to executable instructions, which include > all scripting languages. > > > > At this time Python, Perl, Squeak, even languages essential for research > like R and MatLab, are not allowed in iPhone OS. > > > > According to Apple, researchers must use an Android-powered device to do > their work. ;) > > > > How does this apply to macros and formulas in Apple's own Numbers app? At > the moment they may well constitute "executable code", and are certainly > interpreted. I'll wager the license changes again as soon as someone points > this out to them. > > > > What time is it now, and what will the iPhone developer license look like > by 2:12PM? > > > > -- > > Richard Gaskin > > Fourth World > > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From DunbarX at aol.com Thu May 6 15:17:06 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 15:17:06 EDT Subject: single bit contact closure input [macintosh] Message-ID: <2f18c.14b0a7d.39146fb2@aol.com> Not sure what "reasonably priced" is, but you will love the "service USB" gadget from: http://bkohg.com/service_e.html Craig Newman In a message dated 5/6/10 2:53:22 PM, stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com writes: > 2. A small and reasonably priced USB interface box that can work with > rev? > From chipp at altuit.com Thu May 6 15:19:44 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 14:19:44 -0500 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <562DF0A7-2FE0-46F3-A2E4-D1E97765A4C0@altuit.com> What Andre has been trying to tell you, is it is IMPOSSIBLE to run scripts or interpreted code on the iPhoneOS. This has been the case from the very start and is widely known and not much debated. The original reason given for this was to prevent malware, but I suspect it also is seen as a way to get around having to pay for an app at the AppStore. I would suggest you consider reading up on the goings on of this case before you try it at the Supreme Court. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 6, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > So, build an ipad and iphone stack runner (using Apple's blessed IDE) and be done with it. Then the question is how to distribute runrev generated stacks for the iphad? From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 15:18:38 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:18:38 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <5727BEDF-331D-4EF6-AA32-C82EE1229DD3@randallreetz.com> On May 6, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > After that, the question is: Does apple restrict the distribution of ebooks, movies, sounds or other content as a function of origin, protocol, or content? How exactly is apple attempting to define a distinction between content that isn't and is code? What is the difference, as they are trying to argue, between a page of text, a frame of video, a passage of recorded music, and executable code? Any such distinction would have to be arbitrary at best. Steve has fully and completely jumped headlong into the public fire pit this time. Wow, he must really hate Adobe! Willing to kill his own company (again) in defense of his own ego and frustrations with others. There is something to be said for the adage that states that entrepreneurs make terrible CEO's. 10 years ago, apple was a startup again. Steve came back to play entrepreneur. Not it is a global company again. Will they let him ruin it again? Then hire him back as cowboy again? Randall From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 6 15:20:45 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 12:20:45 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <4BE3168D.8050008@fourthworld.com> Randall Reetz wrote: > This is an interesting Supreme Court subject. I could write a > tight case that shows that code is content. An executable program > is first amendment protected expressive content exactly the same > as is expected and enjoyed by a poet or a painter. > > So, build an ipad and iphone stack runner (using Apple's blessed IDE) > and be done with it. Then the question is how to distribute runrev > generated stacks for the iphad? > > After that, the question is: Does apple restrict the distribution of > ebooks, movies, sounds or other content as a function of origin, > protocol, or content? If you want to publish your source code as prose or poetry in an ebook there's nothing stopping you. Some reasonably good poems have been written in xTalk. If you want to deploy that text as scripts along with an engine to interpret that text at runtime into executable statements, that's another thing. This seems to be the inverse of the font copyright precedent, where the distinction between code and data were clearly established: font designs as bitmaps are not afforded copyright protection because they are considered primarily "utilitarian" and "obvious", but when vector fonts like PostScript and TrueType came along they were afforded copyright protection as executable code, even as the glyphs they rendered were not protectable (which explains the thousands of knock-offs, fully allowable if the designs contain none of the original code). With the distinction between data and executable code well established, I would not imagine it would be too hard for Apple's army of lawyers to draw on that to support a case where they've explicitly prohibited certain forms of executable code. But that said, I'm no lawyer. If you get this to the Supreme Court let us know how it works out for you. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 15:25:15 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:25:15 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <2E2F7E59-5887-46B2-BC47-E89C19C2996C@randallreetz.com> The EU is even more attentive to anti-trust issues than are US courts. Believe me, these cases are under development in the US and the EU courts. What Steve has done simply accelerates the process and priority of said. There are ways around the app store and these ways will receive more attention shortly. Is RunRev joining any class action law suits addressing this grievance? Anyone know of any such suits and how to join them? Randall On May 6, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Good idea Randall... build it and go tell the Supreme Court. I will wait > here and wonder why tiny Adobe and RunRev team didn't do the same thing. > > Now being realistic. It is not that simple Randall... > > You CAN'T BUILD AND DISTRIBUTE A PLAYER, now it is the fifth time I tell > that here and the second time I tell it to you. YOU CAN'T and this is not > because the U.S. Constitution, actually, there are other goverments in the > world with different constitutions and there's something called the E.U. > with a whole bunch of cool laws around. It doesn't matter right now because > YOU CAN'T DISTRIBUTE SOFTWARE ON THE IPHONE OUTSIDE OF THE APP STORE. The > only way to distribute your software is thru the app store. And yes, if you > are a member of the iPhone developer program, you can hook up to 100 > iDevices to your development machine and install software on them but this > is not reasonable way to distribute software. And yes you can be a member of > university program or enterprise program and be allowed to install pretty > much anything on your university/enterprise iphones/ipads but this still is > no solution for those that want to distribute software to end users, the > only way to do that is thru the app store and they will not allow a player > thru. > > Sue them if you want, you will not be the only one. > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > >> This is an interesting Supreme Court subject. I could write a tight case >> that shows that code is content. An executable program is first amendment >> protected expressive content exactly the same as is expected and enjoyed by >> a poet or a painter. >> >> So, build an ipad and iphone stack runner (using Apple's blessed IDE) and >> be done with it. Then the question is how to distribute runrev generated >> stacks for the iphad? >> >> After that, the question is: Does apple restrict the distribution of >> ebooks, movies, sounds or other content as a function of origin, protocol, >> or content? >> >> If so, they will eventually face the courts on that issue for sure. Anyone >> know what the civil liberties people are doing with regard to this topic? >> It is one thing to be a media broadcaster or a content source, but to be >> that and the proprietor of the only equipment through with that same content >> can be consumed, wow, that is so beyond illegal that it is only a matter of >> time before Apple gets the big legal spanking it deserves. >> >> Randall Reetz >> >> >> On May 6, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >>> Randall Reetz wrote: >>> >>>> One way to do this is the old runrev virtual machine idea (build >>>> and distribute a rev stack player app for iphads). The world's >>>> legal systems protect (US first amendment) free speech and content >>>> authorship such that source content can not be messed with or >>>> restricted to or tied to exclusive protocol. No one can tell >>>> William Shakespeare what type of pen he can write with or printing >>>> presses he can publish with. >>> >>> If you write code as prose there is no restriction at play. >>> >>> The restriction applies only to executable instructions, which include >> all scripting languages. >>> >>> At this time Python, Perl, Squeak, even languages essential for research >> like R and MatLab, are not allowed in iPhone OS. >>> >>> According to Apple, researchers must use an Android-powered device to do >> their work. ;) >>> >>> How does this apply to macros and formulas in Apple's own Numbers app? At >> the moment they may well constitute "executable code", and are certainly >> interpreted. I'll wager the license changes again as soon as someone points >> this out to them. >>> >>> What time is it now, and what will the iPhone developer license look like >> by 2:12PM? >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Gaskin >>> Fourth World >>> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >>> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com >>> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From hershrev at syp2u4c.com Thu May 6 15:25:05 2010 From: hershrev at syp2u4c.com (Hershel Fisch) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 15:25:05 -0400 Subject: Sockets In-Reply-To: <44243B3A-2D77-4393-A1BA-C4A9BF2231E9@twft.com> Message-ID: On 5/6/10 12:28 PM, "Bob Sneidar" wrote: > Shouldn't you put it AFTER fld "f1" if you are tracing it? That's the reason every read I put into another fld., and also to see what read returns what. As I saw that the second write repeated the same as the first. > > Bob > > > On May 5, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote: > >> Hi, I checked it out, >> I did realize that there are 2 ports being used 1 form client to server and >> 1 from server to client. Though I don't know how to make use of it in my >> case. >> Also I think there is a typo in tnhe example script (sSocket instead of >> pSocket) or something doesn't work properly. >> >> I did get some info from it. >> >> NOW, This what I wrote; >> >> on mouseUp >> put "192.168.1.199:4559" into pSocket >> open socket to pSocket >> read from socket pSocket until return >> put it into fld "f1" -----to trace results >> >> write "USER admin" & linefeed & "PASS xxxxxx" to socket pSocket >> read from socket pSocket until return >> put it into fld "f2" of this stack >> >> write "/usr/local/sbin/hfaxd help" & linefeed to socket pSocket >> read from socket pSocket until return >> put it into fld "f3" of this stack ----looks like it reenters the >> same command twice >> close socket pSocket >> Now if I repeat the second write twice then this is what I get........... >> >> 500 /USR/LOCAL/SBIN/HFAXD: Command not recognized. >> >> end mouseUp >> >> Any help would be highly appreciated. >> Thanks, Hershel >> >> >> >> On 4/29/10 3:24 PM, "Hershel Fisch" wrote: >> >>> Thanks, I'll check it out. >>> Hershel >>> >>> >>> On 4/28/10 9:04 AM, "Trevor DeVore" wrote: >>> >>>> On Apr 27, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, could any help me out with a full socket session ? Please! >>>> >>>> Perhaps this lesson will help: >>>> >>>> >> http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/12924-How-to-com >> >> >> m >>>> unicate-with-other-applications-using-sockets >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >>> preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Thu May 6 15:25:13 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:25:13 -0300 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <4BE3168D.8050008@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE3168D.8050008@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: by the way, if you're in the mood for supreme courts, you can please sue them here as well: http://www.stf.jus.br/portal/principal/principal.asp This is the Brazilian Supreme Federal Court, you can sue apple in here too if you want. And here we have laws against prejudices and that protects minorities, if you can convince them that apple is prejudiced against interpreters and is oppressing xTalk minorities, your case will be a wonderful success!!! On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Randall Reetz wrote: > > > This is an interesting Supreme Court subject. I could write a > > tight case that shows that code is content. An executable program > > is first amendment protected expressive content exactly the same > > as is expected and enjoyed by a poet or a painter. > > > > So, build an ipad and iphone stack runner (using Apple's blessed IDE) > > and be done with it. Then the question is how to distribute runrev > > generated stacks for the iphad? > > > > After that, the question is: Does apple restrict the distribution of > > ebooks, movies, sounds or other content as a function of origin, > > protocol, or content? > > If you want to publish your source code as prose or poetry in an ebook > there's nothing stopping you. Some reasonably good poems have been written > in xTalk. > > If you want to deploy that text as scripts along with an engine to > interpret that text at runtime into executable statements, that's another > thing. > > This seems to be the inverse of the font copyright precedent, where the > distinction between code and data were clearly established: font designs as > bitmaps are not afforded copyright protection because they are considered > primarily "utilitarian" and "obvious", but when vector fonts like PostScript > and TrueType came along they were afforded copyright protection as > executable code, even as the glyphs they rendered were not protectable > (which explains the thousands of knock-offs, fully allowable if the designs > contain none of the original code). > > With the distinction between data and executable code well established, I > would not imagine it would be too hard for Apple's army of lawyers to draw > on that to support a case where they've explicitly prohibited certain forms > of executable code. > > But that said, I'm no lawyer. > > If you get this to the Supreme Court let us know how it works out for you. > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From chipp at altuit.com Thu May 6 15:28:27 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 14:28:27 -0500 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <416B20E8-1726-4360-ADF1-E2513C825EE2@mines-paristech.fr> References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> <416B20E8-1726-4360-ADF1-E2513C825EE2@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <01F3B9F3-ED6C-41AD-AA54-05FB809DDCD1@altuit.com> Haven't we passed that yet? If not, I'm more than happy to get us there ;-) http://mingramjr.com/hitler-shows-his-frustration-for-the-lost-iph Also see: http://shaferwaltersgroup.posterous.com/jobs-pay-attention-to-our-ads-or-we-lockout-y Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 6, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > > Le 6 mai 2010 ? 21:06, Randall Reetz a ?crit : > >> This is an interesting Supreme Court subject. I could write a tight case that shows that code is content. An executable program is first amendment protected expressive content exactly the same as is expected and enjoyed by a poet or a painter. > > Ahh... good.... I see the possibility of a Godwin point.... > >> >> So, build an ipad and iphone stack runner (using Apple's blessed IDE) and be done with it. Then the question is how to distribute runrev generated stacks for the iphad? >> >> After that, the question is: Does apple restrict the distribution of ebooks, movies, sounds or other content as a function of origin, protocol, or content? >> >> If so, they will eventually face the courts on that issue for sure. Anyone know what the civil liberties people are doing with regard to this topic? It is one thing to be a media broadcaster or a content source, but to be that and the proprietor of the only equipment through with that same content can be consumed, wow, that is so beyond illegal that it is only a matter of time before Apple gets the big legal spanking it deserves. >> >> Randall Reetz >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Thu May 6 15:30:02 2010 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 21:30:02 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <4BE3168D.8050008@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE3168D.8050008@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <677EE328-F07F-4D91-BEFB-12CC705EDF03@mines-paristech.fr> Le 6 mai 2010 ? 21:20, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > > If you want to publish your source code as prose or poetry in an ebook there's nothing stopping you. Some reasonably good poems have been written in xTalk. > good thinking. Raymond Queneau did this before in his cent mille milliards de po?mes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Thousand_Billion_Poems I had a printing of it one day. It is like computer poetry, but without a computer. What I learned in the Wikipedia article (in the french version too) is that the publisher of the book managed to ban its implementation on the internet. When I think of it, it is only poetic justice. From andre at andregarzia.com Thu May 6 15:29:42 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:29:42 -0300 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <01F3B9F3-ED6C-41AD-AA54-05FB809DDCD1@altuit.com> References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> <416B20E8-1726-4360-ADF1-E2513C825EE2@mines-paristech.fr> <01F3B9F3-ED6C-41AD-AA54-05FB809DDCD1@altuit.com> Message-ID: Anyone wants to buy me a nexus one phone? They don't sell them in Brazil :-( I am so going to jump out of apple camp soon... On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Haven't we passed that yet? If not, I'm more than happy to get us there ;-) > http://mingramjr.com/hitler-shows-his-frustration-for-the-lost-iph > > Also see: > > http://shaferwaltersgroup.posterous.com/jobs-pay-attention-to-our-ads-or-we-lockout-y > > Chipp Walters > CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc > > On May 6, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais < > francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr> wrote: > > > > > Le 6 mai 2010 ? 21:06, Randall Reetz a ?crit : > > > >> This is an interesting Supreme Court subject. I could write a tight > case that shows that code is content. An executable program is first > amendment protected expressive content exactly the same as is expected and > enjoyed by a poet or a painter. > > > > Ahh... good.... I see the possibility of a Godwin point.... > > > >> > >> So, build an ipad and iphone stack runner (using Apple's blessed IDE) > and be done with it. Then the question is how to distribute runrev > generated stacks for the iphad? > >> > >> After that, the question is: Does apple restrict the distribution of > ebooks, movies, sounds or other content as a function of origin, protocol, > or content? > >> > >> If so, they will eventually face the courts on that issue for sure. > Anyone know what the civil liberties people are doing with regard to this > topic? It is one thing to be a media broadcaster or a content source, but > to be that and the proprietor of the only equipment through with that same > content can be consumed, wow, that is so beyond illegal that it is only a > matter of time before Apple gets the big legal spanking it deserves. > >> > >> Randall Reetz > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 15:37:03 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:37:03 -0700 Subject: US Fed Trade Commission Investigation In-Reply-To: <562DF0A7-2FE0-46F3-A2E4-D1E97765A4C0@altuit.com> References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> <562DF0A7-2FE0-46F3-A2E4-D1E97765A4C0@altuit.com> Message-ID: http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/05/03/apple-could-be-targeted-by-antitrust-suit-us-federal-trade-commission-investing-apple-regarding-the-programming-language-controversy/ On May 6, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > What Andre has been trying to tell you, is it is IMPOSSIBLE to run scripts or interpreted code on the iPhoneOS. This has been the case from the very start and is widely known and not much debated. The original reason given for this was to prevent malware, but I suspect it also is seen as a way to get around having to pay for an app at the AppStore. > > I would suggest you consider reading up on the goings on of this case before you try it at the Supreme Court. > > Chipp Walters > CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc > > On May 6, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > >> So, build an ipad and iphone stack runner (using Apple's blessed IDE) and be done with it. Then the question is how to distribute runrev generated stacks for the iphad? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 6 15:47:40 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:47:40 -0700 Subject: single bit contact closure input [macintosh] In-Reply-To: <2f18c.14b0a7d.39146fb2@aol.com> References: <2f18c.14b0a7d.39146fb2@aol.com> Message-ID: yes, very nice stuff. A "Revolution External" is mentioned. A lot of trouble for one bit. Maybe I'll just hack a couple of wires to the M key on an old keyboard. On 6 May 2010 12:17, wrote: > Not sure what "reasonably priced" is, but you will love the "service USB" > gadget from: > > http://bkohg.com/service_e.html > > Craig Newman > > > In a message dated 5/6/10 2:53:22 PM, stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com > writes: > > > > 2. A small and reasonably priced USB interface box that can work with > > rev? > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 15:48:13 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:48:13 -0700 Subject: US Fed Trade Commission Investigation In-Reply-To: References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> <562DF0A7-2FE0-46F3-A2E4-D1E97765A4C0@altuit.com> Message-ID: <30827585-164B-4F45-A5EE-655237E2583A@randallreetz.com> What about HTML 5 and web content as a runRev stack publication option? What does HTML 5 say about mobile devise specific input like orientation, acceleration, position, multi-touch? Randall On May 6, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > > http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/05/03/apple-could-be-targeted-by-antitrust-suit-us-federal-trade-commission-investing-apple-regarding-the-programming-language-controversy/ > > On May 6, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > >> What Andre has been trying to tell you, is it is IMPOSSIBLE to run scripts or interpreted code on the iPhoneOS. This has been the case from the very start and is widely known and not much debated. The original reason given for this was to prevent malware, but I suspect it also is seen as a way to get around having to pay for an app at the AppStore. >> >> I would suggest you consider reading up on the goings on of this case before you try it at the Supreme Court. >> >> Chipp Walters >> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc >> >> On May 6, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: >> >>> So, build an ipad and iphone stack runner (using Apple's blessed IDE) and be done with it. Then the question is how to distribute runrev generated stacks for the iphad? >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 15:52:41 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:52:41 -0700 Subject: US Fed Trade Commission Investigation In-Reply-To: <30827585-164B-4F45-A5EE-655237E2583A@randallreetz.com> References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> <562DF0A7-2FE0-46F3-A2E4-D1E97765A4C0@altuit.com> <30827585-164B-4F45-A5EE-655237E2583A@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: I am no yoga guy, never tried it, but Steve really needs a week at a yoga retreat. My parents were at an anti-war protest in San Francisco back in the George W. days. An elderly lady was carrying a sign that read, "Will someone please give Bush a B___ Job!" Randall Reetz On May 6, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > What about HTML 5 and web content as a runRev stack publication option? What does HTML 5 say about mobile devise specific input like orientation, acceleration, position, multi-touch? > > Randall > > On May 6, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > >> >> http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/05/03/apple-could-be-targeted-by-antitrust-suit-us-federal-trade-commission-investing-apple-regarding-the-programming-language-controversy/ >> >> On May 6, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: >> >>> What Andre has been trying to tell you, is it is IMPOSSIBLE to run scripts or interpreted code on the iPhoneOS. This has been the case from the very start and is widely known and not much debated. The original reason given for this was to prevent malware, but I suspect it also is seen as a way to get around having to pay for an app at the AppStore. >>> >>> I would suggest you consider reading up on the goings on of this case before you try it at the Supreme Court. >>> >>> Chipp Walters >>> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc >>> >>> On May 6, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: >>> >>>> So, build an ipad and iphone stack runner (using Apple's blessed IDE) and be done with it. Then the question is how to distribute runrev generated stacks for the iphad? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 16:27:58 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 13:27:58 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <20100506202800.LOLP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Years ago I asked why no xtalk environment had built an xtalk to C source translator. If stacks could be run through an extractor that did this and output objective C project document set, then it would be trivial for the user to end up with an apple complient app. Better yet, offer this as a service. Rev user would upload stacks to rev's site which would handle the conversion. Adobe cares about the format of its protocol. Rev doesn't or shouldn't. The whole point should be supposing a pathway from rev to iphad app. The tool doesn't matter. Emulate all you want on the rev user end. But output shouldn't need to be under rev user control. I know I don't care how my stack becomes an app. -----Original Message----- From: Randall Reetz Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:52 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? How about distribution rights? Are those unlocked? If Rev or someone wanted to distribute Apple's iphad IDE could they? Randall On May 6, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Randall Reetz wrote: > > > If apple is apples policy is contingent upon the purchase of > > the blessed IDE than a court will shortly slap it down. Count > > on it. But the battle could rage on a bit if apple is giving > > the blessed IDE away. > > It's free as in beer, just not free as in freedom. > > In my understanding only portions are FOSS, but all of it needed for development is available without cost to anything but your time. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 6 16:28:20 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 13:28:20 -0700 Subject: US Fed Trade Commission Investigation Message-ID: <4BE32664.8040307@fourthworld.com> Randall Reetz wrote: > What about HTML 5 and web content as a runRev stack publication > option? What does HTML 5 say about mobile devise specific input > like orientation, acceleration, position, multi-touch? Yes, HTML5/JavaScript/WebKit is pretty much what PhoneGap is relying on, and they've gotten the official green light from Apple. As of 1:28PM on 6 May that's the only option for multi-platform deployment that includes iPhone OS. Whether or not it remains an option for iPhone OS deployment at 2:00PM cannot be known by any developer or investor banking on it. For all other OSes, however, it is reasonably well known to be a good option for the foreseeable future. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 6 16:35:44 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 13:35:44 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <4BE32820.5050907@fourthworld.com> Randall Reetz wrote: > Years ago I asked why no xtalk environment had built an xtalk to C > source translator. If stacks could be run through an extractor > that did this and output objective C project document set, then > it would be trivial for the user to end up with an apple complient > app. Unfortunately it would not. It seems your iPhone's screen is too small, since you're missing about half the discussion going on here. Just a short while ago today in a post you replied to I noted the provenance clause, in which Apple controls not only the suitability of the deliverable object code, but also the process by which its source is created: Yes, I know it's hard to believe. We've never seen anything like it in the history of the industry. But it's there, and is central to this whole issue. Much has been written about it. You might find it worthwhile to take a break here and catch up on some of the blogs about it, starting with the links already posted to this and related threads here, like Gruber, Williams, Ars Technica, etc. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From rene.micout at numericable.com Thu May 6 16:48:46 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 22:48:46 +0200 Subject: In vitro In-Reply-To: <1273172628720-2133198.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1EDB33B7-17E9-457B-BACB-D2A65B4192C8@numericable.com> <1273172628720-2133198.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Merci Alejandro > muchas gracias ! Ren? Le 6 mai 2010 ? 21:03, Alejandro Tejada a ?crit : > > Really nice drawing style! > > Scaling vector graphics in Rev is not > as smooth, but it's possible. > > Look at this stack, that includes code > to scale vector graphics: > > http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/graphics_transformations_01.zip > http://webspace.webring.com/people/qc/capellan/graphics_transformations_01.zip > http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/graphics_transformations_01.zip > > Ideally, curves in polygonal vector graphics should be > redraw from cubic or quadratic bezier formulas that > you could find here: > > http://webspace.webring.com/people/qc/capellan/CurvedDrawingPen_v01.zip > http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/CurvedDrawingPen_v01.zip > http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/CurvedDrawingPen_v01.zip > > Alejandro > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/In-vitro-tp2131289p2133198.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pete at mollysrevenge.com Thu May 6 16:50:46 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 13:50:46 -0700 Subject: How To Discover The Properties of a Control In-Reply-To: <20100506170006.C245F2887CD@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100506170006.C245F2887CD@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <41D4872E-CCE7-4BDA-A2FA-EFFA0F2AB9A4@mollysrevenge.com> Thanks for the pointer on how to do this and for pointing me to your Wizard stack. The Wizard looks like what I was trying to do and i'll give it a try. A little worried about the preOpenStack issue because I'm doing that in my app as well but we'll see how it works out. Thanks Craig. Pete Haworth On May 6, 2010, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Message: 27 > Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 12:57:43 EDT > From: DunbarX at aol.com > Subject: Re: How To Discover The Properties of a Control > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Message-ID: <24b58.6c89efc6.39144f07 at aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Or you can download my "Wizard" from revOnLine. It does all that you > asked > for, and allows you to change values on the fly. > > Craig Newman From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu May 6 17:00:35 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 17:00:35 -0400 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> <416B20E8-1726-4360-ADF1-E2513C825EE2@mines-paristech.fr> <01F3B9F3-ED6C-41AD-AA54-05FB809DDCD1@altuit.com> Message-ID: <21D40F77-7633-4E9E-9A3C-6FDE731F4AA8@mac.com> OK, SEE YA, BYE-BYE, HAVE FUN, I'm am really getting so sick of listening to this crap. Please go join some APPLE hating, Steve Jobs hating list. WILL YOU PLEASE. It's getting to be too much, staying out of this freaking rhetoric when the comments go down this direction. What with the Hitler references and EVIL comments and BLAH BLAH BLAH........ I use a CROSS-PLATFORM tool call RunRev and I think this has gone far beyond what I am willing to put up with. We have Macintosh developers and Windows developers and Linux developers and soon we are going to have Google developers and Maemo developers. We here on this list need to set an example of true cross-platform respect towards each others platform of choice. PLEASE STOP USING OUR USE REVOLUTION LIST TO ATTACK AND DEFAME AND AIR YOUR PERSONAL VENDETTAS. I don't care it you hate Apple. I don't care if you like _______ better. I don't care if you don't like Steve Jobs. I don't care if you think it's wrong. I don't care what your damn opinions are. JUST STOP Tom McGrath On May 6, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Anyone wants to buy me a nexus one phone? They don't sell them in Brazil :-( > > I am so going to jump out of apple camp soon... > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > >> Haven't we passed that yet? If not, I'm more than happy to get us there ;-) >> http://mingramjr.com/hitler-shows-his-frustration-for-the-lost-iph >> >> Also see: >> >> http://shaferwaltersgroup.posterous.com/jobs-pay-attention-to-our-ads-or-we-lockout-y >> >> Chipp Walters >> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc >> >> On May 6, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais < >> francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr> wrote: >> >>> >>> Le 6 mai 2010 ? 21:06, Randall Reetz a ?crit : >>> >>>> This is an interesting Supreme Court subject. I could write a tight >> case that shows that code is content. An executable program is first >> amendment protected expressive content exactly the same as is expected and >> enjoyed by a poet or a painter. >>> >>> Ahh... good.... I see the possibility of a Godwin point.... >>> >>>> >>>> So, build an ipad and iphone stack runner (using Apple's blessed IDE) >> and be done with it. Then the question is how to distribute runrev >> generated stacks for the iphad? >>>> >>>> After that, the question is: Does apple restrict the distribution of >> ebooks, movies, sounds or other content as a function of origin, protocol, >> or content? >>>> >>>> If so, they will eventually face the courts on that issue for sure. >> Anyone know what the civil liberties people are doing with regard to this >> topic? It is one thing to be a media broadcaster or a content source, but >> to be that and the proprietor of the only equipment through with that same >> content can be consumed, wow, that is so beyond illegal that it is only a >> matter of time before Apple gets the big legal spanking it deserves. >>>> >>>> Randall Reetz >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu May 6 17:01:30 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 17:01:30 -0400 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <20100506202800.LOLP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100506202800.LOLP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: I'm am really getting so sick of listening to this crap. Please go join some APPLE hating, Steve Jobs hating list. WILL YOU PLEASE. It's getting to be too much, staying out of this freaking rhetoric when the comments go down this direction. What with the Hitler references and EVIL comments and BLAH BLAH BLAH........ I use a CROSS-PLATFORM tool call RunRev and I think this has gone far beyond what I am willing to put up with. We have Macintosh developers and Windows developers and Linux developers and soon we are going to have Google developers and Maemo developers. We here on this list need to set an example of true cross-platform respect towards each others platform of choice. PLEASE STOP USING OUR USE REVOLUTION LIST TO ATTACK AND DEFAME AND AIR YOUR PERSONAL VENDETTAS. I don't care it you hate Apple. I don't care if you like _______ better. I don't care if you don't like Steve Jobs. I don't care if you think it's wrong. I don't care what your damn opinions are. JUST STOP Tom McGrath On May 6, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Years ago I asked why no xtalk environment had built an xtalk to C source translator. If stacks could be run through an extractor that did this and output objective C project document set, then it would be trivial for the user to end up with an apple complient app. Better yet, offer this as a service. Rev user would upload stacks to rev's site which would handle the conversion. Adobe cares about the format of its protocol. Rev doesn't or shouldn't. The whole point should be supposing a pathway from rev to iphad app. The tool doesn't matter. Emulate all you want on the rev user end. But output shouldn't need to be under rev user control. I know I don't care how my stack becomes an app. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall Reetz > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:52 AM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? > > How about distribution rights? Are those unlocked? If Rev or someone wanted to distribute Apple's iphad IDE? could they? > > Randall > > > On May 6, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> Randall Reetz wrote: >> >>> If apple is apples policy is contingent upon the purchase of >>> the blessed IDE than a court will shortly slap it down. Count >>> on it. But the battle could rage on a bit if apple is giving >>> the blessed IDE away. >> >> It's free as in beer, just not free as in freedom. >> >> In my understanding only portions are FOSS, but all of it needed for development is available without cost to anything but your time. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World >> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com >> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at chipp.com Thu May 6 17:01:44 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:01:44 -0500 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <20100506202800.LOLP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100506202800.LOLP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: What do you think RevMobile is? It does exactly THAT. It's just that Jobs doesn't allow for THAT. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Years ago I asked why no xtalk environment had built an xtalk to C source > translator. If stacks could be run through an extractor that did this and > output objective C project document set, then it would be trivial for the > user to end up with an apple complient app. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu May 6 17:01:44 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 17:01:44 -0400 Subject: US Fed Trade Commission Investigation In-Reply-To: References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> <562DF0A7-2FE0-46F3-A2E4-D1E97765A4C0@altuit.com> <30827585-164B-4F45-A5EE-655237E2583A@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: I'm am really getting so sick of listening to this crap. Please go join some APPLE hating, Steve Jobs hating list. WILL YOU PLEASE. It's getting to be too much, staying out of this freaking rhetoric when the comments go down this direction. What with the Hitler references and EVIL comments and BLAH BLAH BLAH........ I use a CROSS-PLATFORM tool call RunRev and I think this has gone far beyond what I am willing to put up with. We have Macintosh developers and Windows developers and Linux developers and soon we are going to have Google developers and Maemo developers. We here on this list need to set an example of true cross-platform respect towards each others platform of choice. PLEASE STOP USING OUR USE REVOLUTION LIST TO ATTACK AND DEFAME AND AIR YOUR PERSONAL VENDETTAS. I don't care it you hate Apple. I don't care if you like _______ better. I don't care if you don't like Steve Jobs. I don't care if you think it's wrong. I don't care what your damn opinions are. JUST STOP Tom McGrath On May 6, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > I am no yoga guy, never tried it, but Steve really needs a week at a yoga retreat. My parents were at an anti-war protest in San Francisco back in the George W. days. An elderly lady was carrying a sign that read, "Will someone please give Bush a B___ Job!" > > Randall Reetz > > On May 6, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > >> What about HTML 5 and web content as a runRev stack publication option? What does HTML 5 say about mobile devise specific input like orientation, acceleration, position, multi-touch? >> >> Randall >> >> On May 6, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: >> >>> >>> http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/05/03/apple-could-be-targeted-by-antitrust-suit-us-federal-trade-commission-investing-apple-regarding-the-programming-language-controversy/ >>> >>> On May 6, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: >>> >>>> What Andre has been trying to tell you, is it is IMPOSSIBLE to run scripts or interpreted code on the iPhoneOS. This has been the case from the very start and is widely known and not much debated. The original reason given for this was to prevent malware, but I suspect it also is seen as a way to get around having to pay for an app at the AppStore. >>>> >>>> I would suggest you consider reading up on the goings on of this case before you try it at the Supreme Court. >>>> >>>> Chipp Walters >>>> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc >>>> >>>> On May 6, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: >>>> >>>>> So, build an ipad and iphone stack runner (using Apple's blessed IDE) and be done with it. Then the question is how to distribute runrev generated stacks for the iphad? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu May 6 17:02:19 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 17:02:19 -0400 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <20100506202800.LOLP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <2098AB72-1DB5-4102-A6B2-AAE574A9956A@mac.com> I'm am really getting so sick of listening to this crap. Please go join some APPLE hating, Steve Jobs hating list. WILL YOU PLEASE. It's getting to be too much, staying out of this freaking rhetoric when the comments go down this direction. What with the Hitler references and EVIL comments and BLAH BLAH BLAH........ I use a CROSS-PLATFORM tool call RunRev and I think this has gone far beyond what I am willing to put up with. We have Macintosh developers and Windows developers and Linux developers and soon we are going to have Google developers and Maemo developers. We here on this list need to set an example of true cross-platform respect towards each others platform of choice. PLEASE STOP USING OUR USE REVOLUTION LIST TO ATTACK AND DEFAME AND AIR YOUR PERSONAL VENDETTAS. I don't care it you hate Apple. I don't care if you like _______ better. I don't care if you don't like Steve Jobs. I don't care if you think it's wrong. I don't care what your damn opinions are. JUST STOP Tom McGrath On May 6, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > What do you think RevMobile is? It does exactly THAT. It's just that Jobs > doesn't allow for THAT. > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Randall Lee Reetz > wrote: > >> Years ago I asked why no xtalk environment had built an xtalk to C source >> translator. If stacks could be run through an extractor that did this and >> output objective C project document set, then it would be trivial for the >> user to end up with an apple complient app. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From DunbarX at aol.com Thu May 6 17:02:50 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:02:50 EDT Subject: How To Discover The Properties of a Control Message-ID: <184b2.6f05b473.3914887a@aol.com> Not passing "preOpenStack" in your working stack will cripple automatic updating if you navigate, but otherwise not matter much. You can always update manually if you move to another card. But it is always a good idea to pass these sorts of system messages as a matter of course, unless you have a specific reason not to. Craig Newman In a message dated 5/6/10 4:50:53 PM, pete at mollysrevenge.com writes: > Thanks for the pointer on how to do this and for pointing me to your? > Wizard stack. The Wizard looks like what I was trying to do and i'll? > give it a try.? A little worried about the preOpenStack issue because? > I'm doing that in my app as well but we'll see how it works out. > > Thanks Craig. > From chipp at chipp.com Thu May 6 17:03:36 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:03:36 -0500 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <20100506202800.LOLP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: Tom, having a bad day? Sorry, but Steve Jobs personal vendetta against Adobe IS creating problems for RunRev. Have you not been paying attention here? On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I'm am really getting so sick of listening to this crap. Please go join > some APPLE hating, Steve Jobs hating list. WILL YOU PLEASE. > > It's getting to be too much, staying out of this freaking rhetoric when the > comments go down this direction. What with the Hitler references and EVIL > comments and BLAH BLAH BLAH........ > > I use a CROSS-PLATFORM tool call RunRev and I think this has gone far > beyond what I am willing to put up with. We have Macintosh developers and > Windows developers and Linux developers and soon we are going to have Google > developers and Maemo developers. We here on this list need to set an example > of true cross-platform respect towards each others platform of choice. > > PLEASE STOP USING OUR USE REVOLUTION LIST TO ATTACK AND DEFAME AND AIR YOUR > PERSONAL VENDETTAS. > > I don't care it you hate Apple. I don't care if you like _______ better. I > don't care if you don't like Steve Jobs. I don't care if you think it's > wrong. I don't care what your damn opinions are. > > JUST STOP > > Tom McGrath > > > On May 6, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > > > Years ago I asked why no xtalk environment had built an xtalk to C source > translator. If stacks could be run through an extractor that did this and > output objective C project document set, then it would be trivial for the > user to end up with an apple complient app. Better yet, offer this as a > service. Rev user would upload stacks to rev's site which would handle the > conversion. Adobe cares about the format of its protocol. Rev doesn't or > shouldn't. The whole point should be supposing a pathway from rev to iphad > app. The tool doesn't matter. Emulate all you want on the rev user end. > But output shouldn't need to be under rev user control. I know I don't > care how my stack becomes an app. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Randall Reetz > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:52 AM > > To: How to use Revolution > > Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? > > > > How about distribution rights? Are those unlocked? If Rev or someone > wanted to distribute Apple's iphad IDE? could they? > > > > Randall > > > > > > On May 6, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > > >> Randall Reetz wrote: > >> > >>> If apple is apples policy is contingent upon the purchase of > >>> the blessed IDE than a court will shortly slap it down. Count > >>> on it. But the battle could rage on a bit if apple is giving > >>> the blessed IDE away. > >> > >> It's free as in beer, just not free as in freedom. > >> > >> In my understanding only portions are FOSS, but all of it needed for > development is available without cost to anything but your time. > >> > >> -- > >> Richard Gaskin > >> Fourth World > >> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > >> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > >> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From DunbarX at aol.com Thu May 6 17:05:48 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:05:48 EDT Subject: single bit contact closure input [macintosh] Message-ID: <18802.4458b901.3914892c@aol.com> Very nice indeed. It can become the foundation of a whole new hobby. The Rev part is simple and seamless. Works like a charm and tons of fun. Craig Newman In a message dated 5/6/10 3:48:17 PM, stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com writes: > yes, very nice stuff. A "Revolution External" is mentioned. > > A lot of trouble for one bit. Maybe I'll just hack a couple of wires to > the > M key on an old keyboard. > > From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu May 6 17:06:08 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 17:06:08 -0400 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <20100506202800.LOLP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <5086C6F2-3D58-4E06-A29E-B4ADFF1FED98@mac.com> I'm am really getting so sick of listening to this crap. Please go join some APPLE hating, Steve Jobs hating list. WILL YOU PLEASE. It's getting to be too much, staying out of this freaking rhetoric when the comments go down this direction. What with the Hitler references and EVIL comments and BLAH BLAH BLAH........ I use a CROSS-PLATFORM tool call RunRev and I think this has gone far beyond what I am willing to put up with. We have Macintosh developers and Windows developers and Linux developers and soon we are going to have Google developers and Maemo developers. We here on this list need to set an example of true cross-platform respect towards each others platform of choice. PLEASE STOP USING OUR USE REVOLUTION LIST TO ATTACK AND DEFAME AND AIR YOUR PERSONAL VENDETTAS. I don't care it you hate Apple. I don't care if you like _______ better. I don't care if you don't like Steve Jobs. I don't care if you think it's wrong. I don't care what your damn opinions are. JUST STOP Tom McGrath On May 6, 2010, at 5:03 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Tom, having a bad day? > > Sorry, but Steve Jobs personal vendetta against Adobe IS creating problems > for RunRev. Have you not been paying attention here? > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> I'm am really getting so sick of listening to this crap. Please go join >> some APPLE hating, Steve Jobs hating list. WILL YOU PLEASE. >> >> It's getting to be too much, staying out of this freaking rhetoric when the >> comments go down this direction. What with the Hitler references and EVIL >> comments and BLAH BLAH BLAH........ >> >> I use a CROSS-PLATFORM tool call RunRev and I think this has gone far >> beyond what I am willing to put up with. We have Macintosh developers and >> Windows developers and Linux developers and soon we are going to have Google >> developers and Maemo developers. We here on this list need to set an example >> of true cross-platform respect towards each others platform of choice. >> >> PLEASE STOP USING OUR USE REVOLUTION LIST TO ATTACK AND DEFAME AND AIR YOUR >> PERSONAL VENDETTAS. >> >> I don't care it you hate Apple. I don't care if you like _______ better. I >> don't care if you don't like Steve Jobs. I don't care if you think it's >> wrong. I don't care what your damn opinions are. >> >> JUST STOP >> >> Tom McGrath >> >> >> On May 6, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >> >>> Years ago I asked why no xtalk environment had built an xtalk to C source >> translator. If stacks could be run through an extractor that did this and >> output objective C project document set, then it would be trivial for the >> user to end up with an apple complient app. Better yet, offer this as a >> service. Rev user would upload stacks to rev's site which would handle the >> conversion. Adobe cares about the format of its protocol. Rev doesn't or >> shouldn't. The whole point should be supposing a pathway from rev to iphad >> app. The tool doesn't matter. Emulate all you want on the rev user end. >> But output shouldn't need to be under rev user control. I know I don't >> care how my stack becomes an app. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Randall Reetz >>> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:52 AM >>> To: How to use Revolution >>> Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? >>> >>> How about distribution rights? Are those unlocked? If Rev or someone >> wanted to distribute Apple's iphad IDE? could they? >>> >>> Randall >>> >>> >>> On May 6, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >>> >>>> Randall Reetz wrote: >>>> >>>>> If apple is apples policy is contingent upon the purchase of >>>>> the blessed IDE than a court will shortly slap it down. Count >>>>> on it. But the battle could rage on a bit if apple is giving >>>>> the blessed IDE away. >>>> >>>> It's free as in beer, just not free as in freedom. >>>> >>>> In my understanding only portions are FOSS, but all of it needed for >> development is available without cost to anything but your time. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Richard Gaskin >>>> Fourth World >>>> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >>>> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com >>>> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu May 6 17:10:28 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 17:10:28 -0400 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <20100506202800.LOLP18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <0CB2AAD2-D0D9-4EB5-B511-5731C4E97F37@mac.com> Chipp, I love ya, but I just don't give a damn...... When RunRev writes back to me and tells me they have a problem with this and what their decision on how they are going to handle this is then I WILL CARE. But until then this is all hype. Tom On May 6, 2010, at 5:03 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Tom, having a bad day? > > Sorry, but Steve Jobs personal vendetta against Adobe IS creating problems > for RunRev. Have you not been paying attention here? From chipp at chipp.com Thu May 6 17:15:29 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:15:29 -0500 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <21D40F77-7633-4E9E-9A3C-6FDE731F4AA8@mac.com> References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> <416B20E8-1726-4360-ADF1-E2513C825EE2@mines-paristech.fr> <01F3B9F3-ED6C-41AD-AA54-05FB809DDCD1@altuit.com> <21D40F77-7633-4E9E-9A3C-6FDE731F4AA8@mac.com> Message-ID: Tom, see below... On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > It's getting to be too much, staying out of this freaking rhetoric when the > comments go down this direction. What with the Hitler references and EVIL > comments and BLAH BLAH BLAH........ > Tom, the Hitler references are part of an ongoing comment regarding the Godwin point made by someone else. If you don't know what the Godwin point is then look here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law It's a joke, get it? haha. > I use a CROSS-PLATFORM tool call RunRev and I think this has gone far > beyond what I am willing to put up with. We have Macintosh developers and > Windows developers and Linux developers and soon we are going to have Google > developers and Maemo developers. We here on this list need to set an example > of true cross-platform respect towards each others platform of choice. > I have no issues with Macintosh running RunRev. But if they decided to wall it off like they do with the iPhone or iPad, I would voice my opinion here as well about it. > PLEASE STOP USING OUR USE REVOLUTION LIST TO ATTACK AND DEFAME AND AIR YOUR > PERSONAL VENDETTAS. > You seem to be the one the typing in all caps. The fact is, the 4 SDK license may not be a permanent one, and the more heat placed on Steve Jobs and Apple over it, the more there is a chance for Apple to change their mind. It's happened before where they've changed their mind based on outside pressure-- it can happen again. > I don't care it you hate Apple. I don't care if you like _______ better. I > don't care if you don't like Steve Jobs. I don't care if you think it's > wrong. I don't care what your damn opinions are. > > JUST STOP > Tom, it's a user list where we discuss issues relative to RunRev. I've paid significant dollars and invested time for RevMobile in order to program for iPad, only to have Steve Jobs retroactively change the license agreement against cross platform tools for iPhone/iPad. I am sorry you're having such a tough time with this. Why don't you try not reading comments posted by me from now on? Maybe that will help. From support at ahsomme.com Thu May 6 17:43:32 2010 From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 14:43:32 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> <416B20E8-1726-4360-ADF1-E2513C825EE2@mines-paristech.fr> <01F3B9F3-ED6C-41AD-AA54-05FB809DDCD1@altuit.com> <21D40F77-7633-4E9E-9A3C-6FDE731F4AA8@mac.com> Message-ID: <6D56C97C-1204-48B2-9807-C4153FDC3298@ahsomme.com> Tom, I don't always agree with Chipp, but I've found, over the years, that when he writes he always has something worthwhile to say - and he usually says it well. You don't have to listen to him - or anyone else. I will continue to look forward to his comments. Thanks Chipp. Paul Looney On May 6, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Tom, see below... > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Thomas McGrath III > wrote: > > >> It's getting to be too much, staying out of this freaking rhetoric >> when the >> comments go down this direction. What with the Hitler references >> and EVIL >> comments and BLAH BLAH BLAH........ >> > > Tom, the Hitler references are part of an ongoing comment regarding > the > Godwin point made by someone else. If you don't know what the > Godwin point > is then look here. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law > > It's a joke, get it? haha. > > >> I use a CROSS-PLATFORM tool call RunRev and I think this has gone far >> beyond what I am willing to put up with. We have Macintosh >> developers and >> Windows developers and Linux developers and soon we are going to >> have Google >> developers and Maemo developers. We here on this list need to set >> an example >> of true cross-platform respect towards each others platform of >> choice. >> > > I have no issues with Macintosh running RunRev. But if they decided > to wall > it off like they do with the iPhone or iPad, I would voice my > opinion here > as well about it. > > >> PLEASE STOP USING OUR USE REVOLUTION LIST TO ATTACK AND DEFAME AND >> AIR YOUR >> PERSONAL VENDETTAS. >> > > You seem to be the one the typing in all caps. The fact is, the 4 > SDK license may not be a permanent one, and the more heat placed on > Steve > Jobs and Apple over it, the more there is a chance for Apple to > change their > mind. It's happened before where they've changed their mind based > on outside > pressure-- it can happen again. > > >> I don't care it you hate Apple. I don't care if you like _______ >> better. I >> don't care if you don't like Steve Jobs. I don't care if you think >> it's >> wrong. I don't care what your damn opinions are. >> >> JUST STOP >> > > Tom, it's a user list where we discuss issues relative to RunRev. > I've paid > significant dollars and invested time for RevMobile in order to > program for > iPad, only to have Steve Jobs retroactively change the license > agreement > against cross platform tools for iPhone/iPad. I am sorry you're > having such > a tough time with this. Why don't you try not reading comments > posted by me > from now on? > > Maybe that will help. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Thu May 6 17:52:59 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 23:52:59 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> <416B20E8-1726-4360-ADF1-E2513C825EE2@mines-paristech.fr> <01F3B9F3-ED6C-41AD-AA54-05FB809DDCD1@altuit.com> <21D40F77-7633-4E9E-9A3C-6FDE731F4AA8@mac.com> Message-ID: <26A2EAF5-B3DF-4366-9784-CAE996AE1FBB@numericable.com> Godwin's law Le 6 mai 2010 ? 23:15, Chipp Walters a ?crit : > Tom, the Hitler references are part of an ongoing comment regarding the > Godwin point made by someone else. If you don't know what the Godwin point > is then look here. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law Thank you Chipp, After 20 years I learned existence of the Godwin's law... As I said yesterday, I think, in another post, I learn something every day... And it is time for today, it is 23:52 in France ;-) Ren? From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu May 6 18:07:18 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 18:07:18 -0400 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <6D56C97C-1204-48B2-9807-C4153FDC3298@ahsomme.com> References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> <416B20E8-1726-4360-ADF1-E2513C825EE2@mines-paristech.fr> <01F3B9F3-ED6C-41AD-AA54-05FB809DDCD1@altuit.com> <21D40F77-7633-4E9E-9A3C-6FDE731F4AA8@mac.com> <6D56C97C-1204-48B2-9807-C4153FDC3298@ahsomme.com> Message-ID: Paul, I also enjoy Chipps' comments on and off this list and am glad to have made his acquaintance on this list. My reaction was not meant for him specifically but about the level to which the comments were taking. Tom On May 6, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Paul Looney wrote: > Tom, > I don't always agree with Chipp, but I've found, over the years, that when he writes he always has something worthwhile to say - and he usually says it well. > You don't have to listen to him - or anyone else. > I will continue to look forward to his comments. > Thanks Chipp. > Paul Looney > > On May 6, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > >> Tom, see below... >> >> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: >> >> >>> It's getting to be too much, staying out of this freaking rhetoric when the >>> comments go down this direction. What with the Hitler references and EVIL >>> comments and BLAH BLAH BLAH........ >>> >> >> Tom, the Hitler references are part of an ongoing comment regarding the >> Godwin point made by someone else. If you don't know what the Godwin point >> is then look here. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law >> >> It's a joke, get it? haha. >> >> >>> I use a CROSS-PLATFORM tool call RunRev and I think this has gone far >>> beyond what I am willing to put up with. We have Macintosh developers and >>> Windows developers and Linux developers and soon we are going to have Google >>> developers and Maemo developers. We here on this list need to set an example >>> of true cross-platform respect towards each others platform of choice. >>> >> >> I have no issues with Macintosh running RunRev. But if they decided to wall >> it off like they do with the iPhone or iPad, I would voice my opinion here >> as well about it. >> >> >>> PLEASE STOP USING OUR USE REVOLUTION LIST TO ATTACK AND DEFAME AND AIR YOUR >>> PERSONAL VENDETTAS. >>> >> >> You seem to be the one the typing in all caps. The fact is, the 4 >> SDK license may not be a permanent one, and the more heat placed on Steve >> Jobs and Apple over it, the more there is a chance for Apple to change their >> mind. It's happened before where they've changed their mind based on outside >> pressure-- it can happen again. >> >> >>> I don't care it you hate Apple. I don't care if you like _______ better. I >>> don't care if you don't like Steve Jobs. I don't care if you think it's >>> wrong. I don't care what your damn opinions are. >>> >>> JUST STOP >>> >> >> Tom, it's a user list where we discuss issues relative to RunRev. I've paid >> significant dollars and invested time for RevMobile in order to program for >> iPad, only to have Steve Jobs retroactively change the license agreement >> against cross platform tools for iPhone/iPad. I am sorry you're having such >> a tough time with this. Why don't you try not reading comments posted by me >> from now on? >> >> Maybe that will help. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at chipp.com Thu May 6 18:42:54 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:42:54 -0500 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <4BE30F52.2070504@fourthworld.com> <416B20E8-1726-4360-ADF1-E2513C825EE2@mines-paristech.fr> <01F3B9F3-ED6C-41AD-AA54-05FB809DDCD1@altuit.com> <21D40F77-7633-4E9E-9A3C-6FDE731F4AA8@mac.com> <6D56C97C-1204-48B2-9807-C4153FDC3298@ahsomme.com> Message-ID: Thomas, I had a recent chat with another list member, and he informs me you have many clients who use Apple products, specifically iPhone, and perhaps you may be more sensitive to Apple's point of view because of it. I can certainly understand your desire to not create a sense of fear in all of this. Hey, I'm OK with Apple products. I absolutely LOVE my iPhone-- single most amazing device I've owned since my first 128K Mac. I release all my apps on both Windows and Mac. I'm just OK with my iPad-- still I use it all the time. But, what I'm most concerned about is the very future of our beloved RunRev. As you may know, I haven't posted on this or the Improve list for quite some time, but am doing so because this current issue of Apple's revisionist licensing has the potential to really affect us all in a HUGE way. After all, this new license is in the iPhone 4.0 SDK, not 1.0 or 2.0 or 3.0. This decision, however wrong in my eyes, should have been made a very long time ago. Many existing tools vendors and their customers and THEIR customers are affected-- to the tune of hundreds of thousands of users and millions of dollars. If successful, it sets an industry precedence which can effectively treat all cross-platform dev tools (RunRev included) like outlaws-- in all industries, on all OS'es. I'm blogging about this at http://www.chipp.com. I'm commenting about it in others blogs, too. This is very serious stuff. I'm not trying to spread FUD but to try and help put pressure on Apple to rethink their very destructive positioning on all of this. I really am sorry if you are offended, my intention was not to do so. I still will defend what I see as a clear injustice by Steve Jobs to the rest of the cross-platform community in general, and to Rev in particular. From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 19:45:15 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:45:15 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <20100506234517.QTQK18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> -----Original Message----- From: Thomas McGrath III Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 2:02 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? I'm am really getting so sick of listening to this crap. Please go join some APPLE hating, Steve Jobs hating list. WILL YOU PLEASE. It's getting to be too much, staying out of this freaking rhetoric when the comments go down this direction. What with the Hitler references and EVIL comments and BLAH BLAH BLAH........ I use a CROSS-PLATFORM tool call RunRev and I think this has gone far beyond what I am willing to put up with. We have Macintosh developers and Windows developers and Linux developers and soon we are going to have Google developers and Maemo developers. We here on this list need to set an example of true cross-platform respect towards each others platform of choice. PLEASE STOP USING OUR USE REVOLUTION LIST TO ATTACK AND DEFAME AND AIR YOUR PERSONAL VENDETTAS. I don't care it you hate Apple. I don't care if you like _______ better. I don't care if you don't like Steve Jobs. I don't care if you think it's wrong. I don't care what your damn opinions are. JUST STOP Tom McGrath On May 6, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > What do you think RevMobile is? It does exactly THAT. It's just that Jobs > doesn't allow for THAT. > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Randall Lee Reetz > wrote: > >> Years ago I asked why no xtalk environment had built an xtalk to C source >> translator. If stacks could be run through an extractor that did this and >> output objective C project document set, then it would be trivial for the >> user to end up with an apple complient app. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 19:49:45 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:49:45 -0700 Subject: US Fed Trade Commission Investigation Message-ID: <20100506234947.OYMF29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Thomas, I have looked at your web life. You seem to make a life of hating things. I don't think anyone here is hating steve jobs. What is happening is a realization that bad decisions can be made by anyone. What we want is the same openness from steve your libertarian stance demands everywhere else. Do you own a lot of apple stock? -----Original Message----- From: Thomas McGrath III Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 2:01 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: US Fed Trade Commission Investigation I'm am really getting so sick of listening to this crap. Please go join some APPLE hating, Steve Jobs hating list. WILL YOU PLEASE. It's getting to be too much, staying out of this freaking rhetoric when the comments go down this direction. What with the Hitler references and EVIL comments and BLAH BLAH BLAH........ I use a CROSS-PLATFORM tool call RunRev and I think this has gone far beyond what I am willing to put up with. We have Macintosh developers and Windows developers and Linux developers and soon we are going to have Google developers and Maemo developers. We here on this list need to set an example of true cross-platform respect towards each others platform of choice. PLEASE STOP USING OUR USE REVOLUTION LIST TO ATTACK AND DEFAME AND AIR YOUR PERSONAL VENDETTAS. I don't care it you hate Apple. I don't care if you like _______ better. I don't care if you don't like Steve Jobs. I don't care if you think it's wrong. I don't care what your damn opinions are. JUST STOP Tom McGrath On May 6, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > I am no yoga guy, never tried it, but Steve really needs a week at a yoga retreat. My parents were at an anti-war protest in San Francisco back in the George W. days. An elderly lady was carrying a sign that read, "Will someone please give Bush a B___ Job!" > > Randall Reetz > > On May 6, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > >> What about HTML 5 and web content as a runRev stack publication option? What does HTML 5 say about mobile devise specific input like orientation, acceleration, position, multi-touch? >> >> Randall >> >> On May 6, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: >> >>> >>> http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/05/03/apple-could-be-targeted-by-antitrust-suit-us-federal-trade-commission-investing-apple-regarding-the-programming-language-controversy/ >>> >>> On May 6, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: >>> >>>> What Andre has been trying to tell you, is it is IMPOSSIBLE to run scripts or interpreted code on the iPhoneOS. This has been the case from the very start and is widely known and not much debated. The original reason given for this was to prevent malware, but I suspect it also is seen as a way to get around having to pay for an app at the AppStore. >>>> >>>> I would suggest you consider reading up on the goings on of this case before you try it at the Supreme Court. >>>> >>>> Chipp Walters >>>> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc >>>> >>>> On May 6, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: >>>> >>>>> So, build an ipad and iphone stack runner (using Apple's blessed IDE) and be done with it. Then the question is how to distribute runrev generated stacks for the iphad? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 6 19:56:13 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 16:56:13 -0700 Subject: US Fed Trade Commission Investigation Message-ID: <4BE3571D.3000202@fourthworld.com> Randall Lee Reetz, who has once accused everyone on this list of "drinking the Rev cool-aid", wrote: > Thomas, I have looked at your web life. You seem to make a life > of hating things. Dude, please. I've known Thomas for many, many years, and have been as impressed with his growth as a developer as I have with his character as a man. On most days, his contributions are only of the most positive sort, focusing on helping people find good solutions to the problems they face. He also donates a lot of code and tools to the community, and for all that we really like him. Sure, he's fed up with the off-topic stuff. I think we all indulge a bit much, and if not Thomas than Heather would have come down as well. And sure, we all have a dog in this race, so we're all likely to get a little excitable now and then in response to this unusual disruption from Apple and its implications for our work. But I wouldn't call Thomas a hater, and I don't think this list is the best place for such character attacks. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 20:04:28 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:04:28 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <20100507000430.REVH18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Really? It takes a rev stack and converts all content into OBJECTIVE C source. Inserts it into the apple blessed ipad IDE, and then compiles an app in the apple blessed IDE? How would apple know or care where the app spent its early years? I don't think that is how revmobile works. Not exactly. Am I wrong? Does a revmoblile user have to have a mac running the apple blessed IDE? -----Original Message----- From: Chipp Walters Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 2:01 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? What do you think RevMobile is? It does exactly THAT. It's just that Jobs doesn't allow for THAT. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Years ago I asked why no xtalk environment had built an xtalk to C source > translator. If stacks could be run through an extractor that did this and > output objective C project document set, then it would be trivial for the > user to end up with an apple complient app. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 20:11:07 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:11:07 -0700 Subject: US Fed Trade Commission Investigation Message-ID: <20100507001109.HRRQ23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Well I disagree. Almost completely. I value openness and full disclosure. I value rhetoric free discussions digging down to truth, not influence and spin. I don't require a purchase in exchange for truth and transparency. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Gaskin Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:56 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: US Fed Trade Commission Investigation Randall Lee Reetz, who has once accused everyone on this list of "drinking the Rev cool-aid", wrote: > Thomas, I have looked at your web life. You seem to make a life > of hating things. Dude, please. I've known Thomas for many, many years, and have been as impressed with his growth as a developer as I have with his character as a man. On most days, his contributions are only of the most positive sort, focusing on helping people find good solutions to the problems they face. He also donates a lot of code and tools to the community, and for all that we really like him. Sure, he's fed up with the off-topic stuff. I think we all indulge a bit much, and if not Thomas than Heather would have come down as well. And sure, we all have a dog in this race, so we're all likely to get a little excitable now and then in response to this unusual disruption from Apple and its implications for our work. But I wouldn't call Thomas a hater, and I don't think this list is the best place for such character attacks. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Thu May 6 20:12:29 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 20:12:29 -0400 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <20100507000430.REVH18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100507000430.REVH18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <3B4D4A55-9A97-49F9-9D3E-367A3A31B4C7@verizon.net> On May 6, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Really? It takes a rev stack and converts all content into OBJECTIVE C source. Inserts it into the apple blessed ipad IDE, and then compiles an app in the apple blessed IDE? How would apple know or care where the app spent its early years? With your example workflow they would have no way to know where the app started its early years, but you would still have gone against the agreement, because it didn't originate as Objective-C. From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 20:19:56 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:19:56 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <20100507001958.HWTC23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> When I start any project, I think for a while, I write some things down, I draw some flow charts, I go on a bike ride, I talk to people, I write a paper prototype, and then I code. -----Original Message----- From: Colin Holgate Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:12 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? On May 6, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Really? It takes a rev stack and converts all content into OBJECTIVE C source. Inserts it into the apple blessed ipad IDE, and then compiles an app in the apple blessed IDE? How would apple know or care where the app spent its early years? With your example workflow they would have no way to know where the app started its early years, but you would still have gone against the agreement, because it didn't originate as Objective-C. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 6 20:22:39 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 17:22:39 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <4BE35D4F.5070201@fourthworld.com> Randall wrote: > Really? It takes a rev stack and converts all content into > OBJECTIVE C source. Inserts it into the apple blessed ipad > IDE, and then compiles an app in the apple blessed IDE? How > would apple know or care where the app spent its early years? > I don't think that is how revmobile works. Not exactly. Am > I wrong? You're iPhone seems to be preventing you from reading many of the posts here. This has been addressed before, twice just today - here's one: The rest of the archives from this list are available here: In the interest of bandwidth I won't answer that question any more. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From davidocoker at gmail.com Thu May 6 20:24:45 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 19:24:45 -0500 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <4BE30824.30200@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE30824.30200@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: > ?3.3.1 ? Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner > ?prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. > ?Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, > ?or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and > ?only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and > ?directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications > ?that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation > ?or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). Question: Is it even possible for folks running Windows to use the "Blessed API" as required -or- are they completely locked out of the development cycle all together, sans Mac hardware ownership? I no longer on a Mac (sad to say) but have also never found a Windows version of the "Blessed SDK" to be downloaded from Apple should I even want to try. If that is the case, the new development license is even worse, requiring a hardware purchase in order to have the ability to create software for any of their products. Inquiring minds would like to know... ;-) Best regards, David C. From kkaufman at snet.net Thu May 6 20:34:00 2010 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 20:34:00 -0400 Subject: US Fed Trade Commission Investigation Message-ID: <2D4165ED-F76A-4B26-A12F-026579A84095@snet.net> Richard Gaskin: > Randall Reetz wrote: > >> > What about HTML 5 and web content as a runRev stack publication >> > option? What does HTML 5 say about mobile devise specific input >> > like orientation, acceleration, position, multi-touch? > > Yes, HTML5/JavaScript/WebKit is pretty much what PhoneGap is relying on, > and they've gotten the official green light from Apple. > > As of 1:28PM on 6 May that's the only option for multi-platform > deployment that includes iPhone OS. > > Whether or not it remains an option for iPhone OS deployment at 2:00PM > cannot be known by any developer or investor banking on it. > > For all other OSes, however, it is reasonably well known to be a good > option for the foreseeable future. -- I bought a Nokia "smart" phone recently (needed GSM for travel and felt the iPhone was a bit too bulky for a shirt pocket) and, on a whim, looked into programming options for the Symbian OS. The free Web Runtime Kit (WRT) offered through the efforts of Nokia and others allows the production of HTML/CSS/JS widgets that can run natively on the Symbian phones, but I understand there are significant limitations when compared to what revMobile would be likely to offer for the iPhone (based on the demonstrations of the iPhone apps on the runrev site). Aside from the different programming languages/methods used, what might the combination of HTML5/JavaScript/WebKit lack that revMobile would offer on the iPhone/iPad? Kurt From pete at mollysrevenge.com Thu May 6 20:43:44 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:43:44 -0700 Subject: Does this list have a moderator? In-Reply-To: <20100507003358.E2A52288873@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100507003358.E2A52288873@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: First of all, thank you Tom McGrath - I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said. I haven't been using Revolution very long and I'm still at the stage where I rely on this list and the discussion forum to help me. So far it has been a great experience and I haven't been exposed to the opinionated nonsense that I've seen on other lists but this last couple of weeks has been ridiculous. If there is a moderator for this list, could he/she please stop this or explain why it is being allowed to continue? Until then, I am stopping the emails I get from the list which really irks me because I've had a lot of very valuable advice and help from it. I'll switch it on in a week or so and hope that things get back on topic again. Pete Haworth On May 6, 2010, at 5:33 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 17:01:30 -0400 > From: Thomas McGrath III > Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? > To: How to use Revolution > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I'm am really getting so sick of listening to this crap. Please go > join some APPLE hating, Steve Jobs hating list. WILL YOU PLEASE. > > It's getting to be too much, staying out of this freaking rhetoric > when the comments go down this direction. What with the Hitler > references and EVIL comments and BLAH BLAH BLAH........ > > I use a CROSS-PLATFORM tool call RunRev and I think this has gone > far beyond what I am willing to put up with. We have Macintosh > developers and Windows developers and Linux developers and soon we > are going to have Google developers and Maemo developers. We here on > this list need to set an example of true cross-platform respect > towards each others platform of choice. > > PLEASE STOP USING OUR USE REVOLUTION LIST TO ATTACK AND DEFAME AND > AIR YOUR PERSONAL VENDETTAS. > > I don't care it you hate Apple. I don't care if you like _______ > better. I don't care if you don't like Steve Jobs. I don't care if > you think it's wrong. I don't care what your damn opinions are. > > JUST STOP > > Tom McGrath From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 6 20:47:45 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:47:45 -0700 Subject: US Fed Trade Commission Investigation In-Reply-To: <20100507001109.HRRQ23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100507001109.HRRQ23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: You may require whatever, your existence here is at the mercy and will of the List Mom, who will be arriving shortly. Please stop trolling. On 6 May 2010 17:11, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Well I disagree. Almost completely. I value openness and full disclosure. > I value rhetoric free discussions digging down to truth, not influence and > spin. I don't require a purchase in exchange for truth and transparency. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Gaskin > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:56 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: US Fed Trade Commission Investigation > > Randall Lee Reetz, who has once accused everyone on this list of > "drinking the Rev cool-aid", wrote: > > > Thomas, I have looked at your web life. You seem to make a life > > of hating things. > > Dude, please. > > I've known Thomas for many, many years, and have been as impressed with > his growth as a developer as I have with his character as a man. > > On most days, his contributions are only of the most positive sort, > focusing on helping people find good solutions to the problems they > face. He also donates a lot of code and tools to the community, and for > all that we really like him. > > Sure, he's fed up with the off-topic stuff. I think we all indulge a > bit much, and if not Thomas than Heather would have come down as well. > > And sure, we all have a dog in this race, so we're all likely to get a > little excitable now and then in response to this unusual disruption > from Apple and its implications for our work. > > But I wouldn't call Thomas a hater, and I don't think this list is the > best place for such character attacks. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Thu May 6 20:52:27 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 20:52:27 -0400 Subject: Shiny apple-looking Android Message-ID: Has anyone seen the shiny apple-looking devices that run Android? This is only a prototype, but a very impressive one. If Rev will support Android, at least there is the Android marketplace (app store) and other outlets to sell apps. Many consumers will go for these less expensive and more open devices. The media playback and supported formats on this thing rocks! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXmWFn2m4Rk ~Roger Eller From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 6 21:20:51 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 18:20:51 -0700 Subject: Shiny apple-looking Android Message-ID: <4BE36AF3.9000300@fourthworld.com> Roger.E.Eller wrote: > Has anyone seen the shiny apple-looking devices that run Android? This is > only a prototype, but a very impressive one. If Rev will support Android, > at least there is the Android marketplace (app store) and other outlets to > sell apps. Many consumers will go for these less expensive and more open > devices. The media playback and supported formats on this thing rocks! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXmWFn2m4Rk Nice, and timely - I noticed this morning that Android was recently added to the official list of OSes to be supported by RevMobile: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu May 6 21:32:25 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:32:25 +1000 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <4BE30824.30200@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, David C. wrote: >> ?3.3.1 ? Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner >> ?prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. >> ?Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, >> ?or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and >> ?only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and >> ?directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications >> ?that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation >> ?or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). > > Question: > Is it even possible for folks running Windows to use the "Blessed API" > as required -or- are they completely locked out of the development > cycle all together, sans Mac hardware ownership? No, Apple's development tools are Mac only. Cheers, Sarah From randall at randallreetz.com Thu May 6 22:39:22 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 19:39:22 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <20100507023923.KRRQ23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> I read your note richard. It is very detailed and differs substantially from another person's explanation which said it works exactly as I have guessed, translating to C source. Just trying to get to the actual method as that might allow compliance. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Gaskin Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:22 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Randall wrote: > Really? It takes a rev stack and converts all content into > OBJECTIVE C source. Inserts it into the apple blessed ipad > IDE, and then compiles an app in the apple blessed IDE? How > would apple know or care where the app spent its early years? > I don't think that is how revmobile works. Not exactly. Am > I wrong? You're iPhone seems to be preventing you from reading many of the posts here. This has been addressed before, twice just today - here's one: The rest of the archives from this list are available here: In the interest of bandwidth I won't answer that question any more. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at chipp.com Thu May 6 22:39:56 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 21:39:56 -0500 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <20100507000430.REVH18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100507000430.REVH18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: Randall, Hopefully the following can lend some perspective to you on this situation. Previously, I misspoke. RevMobile compiles Rev code to an iPhone standalone, which then can be run on the Mac only iPhone simulator. If you sign up for RevMobile, you must also purchase a $99 Apple developer license and of course have a Mac to run it on. The key here is that RevMobile compiles to an iPhone compatible binary, just like the latest CS5 Flash application does (or did, as Adobe has formally pulled the plug on supporting the iPhone compiler). And just like Flash CS5, the newly compiled code successfully bypasses the PREVIOUS license limitation of no interpreted code-- even though many games evidently use Lua scripts within them. Not sure what Apple thinks of that: http://blog.anscamobile.com/2010/04/lua-the-lingua-franca-of-iphone-games/ So, while Rev (and Flash and many other dev platforms for iPhone) compile directly to a binary, they are still in violation of the NEW SDK 4.0 recently released license which now states: "Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs" So, now binary and compiled apps not originally written in Objective-C, C, C++ will not be accepted by Apple. Platforms which deliver Javascript (web browser) apps, like PhoneGap are still allowed. A legal interpretation of the SDK 4.0 as currently written pretty much puts Flash, and Rev, and many others, out of the business of app development for iPhone/iPad. So, originally Apple wanted to discourage interpreted languages, like Revtalk, Actionscript, and others from access to the iPhone. Of course all the companies understood the rules, and many, like Rev, spent major resources, and time trying to comply by creating compatible standalone binaries. Not an insignificant task. And none of them, or their customers, or their customers customers had any notion the rules would or even could change. As soon as Jobs saw the new Flash CS5 (in the form of Flash CS5-- of which I'm told there are already a hundred of so apps in the AppStore under the previous SDK license), he rewrote the license to make sure none of these applications could now be used. I say Jobs and not Apple, because if you have followed this closely, you would know Jobs is the one behind it all. Whether or not you agree with him is up to you. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Really? It takes a rev stack and converts all content into OBJECTIVE C > source. Inserts it into the apple blessed ipad IDE, and then compiles an > app in the apple blessed IDE? How would apple know or care where the app > spent its early years? I don't think that is how revmobile works. Not > exactly. Am I wrong? Does a revmoblile user have to have a mac running the > apple blessed IDE? From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Thu May 6 22:49:59 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 22:49:59 -0400 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, David C. wrote: >> ?3.3.1 ? Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner >> ?prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. ... truncated original ... >> Question: >> Is it even possible for folks running Windows to use the "Blessed API" >> as required -or- are they completely locked out of the development >> cycle all together, sans Mac hardware ownership? > > > No, Apple's development tools are Mac only. > > Cheers, > Sarah Is it possible on non-Apple hardware?... a google search says "yes" (technically), by building a hackintosh. But we all know that in the professional world we must follow the rules. For personal use, most web sources suggest that the nerdly exercise of hackintosh building should be limited to that, a learning exercise, and not be started without first buying OS X from an Apple retailer. They also state that the resulting non-apple machine should not be used for any kind of professional work when running OS X. Depending on the machine, reviews vary about the level of compatibility, but many hobbyists report that it works better than you might think. I am in no way suggesting that you consider it because it would violate the EULA. It makes me wonder however, what would happen if Microsoft suddenly decided to legally demand that their OS run on anything BUT Apple hardware. Wouldn't that be a hoot? ~Roger Eller From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu May 6 23:15:47 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 23:15:47 -0400 Subject: Shiny apple-looking Android In-Reply-To: <4BE36AF3.9000300@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE36AF3.9000300@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Roger, I have been keeping an eye on that one too. It looks nice. I don't know if it is the same one Adobe had at it's booth a few weeks ago but it looks the same. Even if it isn't, it will be great to have more platforms to develop for and more devices. Like I've said, this can only be good for us as cross-platform developers. And, if I can continue to help more handicapped people with inexpensive and helpful software on great devices then we all win. Tom On May 6, 2010, at 9:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Roger.E.Eller wrote: > >> Has anyone seen the shiny apple-looking devices that run Android? This is >> only a prototype, but a very impressive one. If Rev will support Android, >> at least there is the Android marketplace (app store) and other outlets to >> sell apps. Many consumers will go for these less expensive and more open >> devices. The media playback and supported formats on this thing rocks! >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXmWFn2m4Rk > > Nice, and timely - I noticed this morning that Android was recently added to the official list of OSes to be supported by RevMobile: > > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jmyepes at mac.com Thu May 6 23:17:24 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 20:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Selected object "boxes" Message-ID: <1273202244598-2133653.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi List, I don't know how to refer to this boxes, maybe the anchor points to resize the object. I need make invisible the boxes that appear when draw a polygon or circle, the dark grey boxes around the graphic. I need to draw a polygon but without show these anchor boxes, so they difficult the draw. It's posible? Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Selected-object-boxes-tp2133653p2133653.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kkaufman at snet.net Thu May 6 23:23:28 2010 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 23:23:28 -0400 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> Chipp Walters: "...So, while Rev (and Flash and many other dev platforms for iPhone) compile directly to a binary, they are still in violation of the NEW SDK 4.0 recently released license..." Thanks for the summary, Chipp. I was unaware that Apple had changed the rules **after essentially promising something else**-- not too different from a "bait and switch". I can see why developers might hesitate to create applications for a platform for which the powers-that-be might set up future additional roadblocks. I guess Apple feels that the general public really doesn't care, and (Apple) is not overly-concerned about alienating multi-platform developers. On a purely business level, who am I to question their strategy? But I do think that it is inappropriate of Apple to suddenly shift gears and leave hanging companies who have invested significant time and resources to Apple mobile platform development. From DunbarX at aol.com Thu May 6 23:34:47 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 23:34:47 EDT Subject: Selected object "boxes" Message-ID: <415f6.42f596ee.3914e457@aol.com> I wrote a live resizing gadget a while back. Works under script control, not the IDE tools. Likely someone will post a full application in the next few minutes, but if not, I will send mine tomorrow when I get to my office. Craig Newman From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu May 6 23:39:54 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 22:39:54 -0500 Subject: Selected object "boxes" In-Reply-To: <1273202244598-2133653.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273202244598-2133653.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BE38B8A.2020901@hyperactivesw.com> JosepM wrote: > Hi List, > > I don't know how to refer to this boxes, maybe the anchor points to resize > the object. We call them "handles". > I need make invisible the boxes that appear when draw a polygon or circle, > the dark grey boxes around the graphic. I need to draw a polygon but without > show these anchor boxes, so they difficult the draw. > > It's posible? The engine puts handles on the graphic whenever it is selected in edit mode. Your script can create a graphic without using edit mode and there will be no handles: create graphic "newGrc" If you need to resize the graphic, you'd have to figure out the rectangle and then set it by script: set the rect of grc "newGrc" to a,b,x,y As long as you are not in edit mode there will be no handles. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From randall at randallreetz.com Fri May 7 00:23:01 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 21:23:01 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <20100507042306.MCZE23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Yes, this is why I am suggesting that rev output C source that can be opened within the blessed IDE. Apple wants control at that level. I am sure this is so that its compiler can insert com checks and interrupts for ads and tracking of monetary unit exchange. So if that is what apple wants, give it up. An xtalk to C source translator presents soooooo many opportunities. Endless. -----Original Message----- From: Chipp Walters Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 7:39 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Randall, Hopefully the following can lend some perspective to you on this situation. Previously, I misspoke. RevMobile compiles Rev code to an iPhone standalone, which then can be run on the Mac only iPhone simulator. If you sign up for RevMobile, you must also purchase a $99 Apple developer license and of course have a Mac to run it on. The key here is that RevMobile compiles to an iPhone compatible binary, just like the latest CS5 Flash application does (or did, as Adobe has formally pulled the plug on supporting the iPhone compiler). And just like Flash CS5, the newly compiled code successfully bypasses the PREVIOUS license limitation of no interpreted code-- even though many games evidently use Lua scripts within them. Not sure what Apple thinks of that: http://blog.anscamobile.com/2010/04/lua-the-lingua-franca-of-iphone-games/ So, while Rev (and Flash and many other dev platforms for iPhone) compile directly to a binary, they are still in violation of the NEW SDK 4.0 recently released license which now states: "Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs" So, now binary and compiled apps not originally written in Objective-C, C, C++ will not be accepted by Apple. Platforms which deliver Javascript (web browser) apps, like PhoneGap are still allowed. A legal interpretation of the SDK 4.0 as currently written pretty much puts Flash, and Rev, and many others, out of the business of app development for iPhone/iPad. So, originally Apple wanted to discourage interpreted languages, like Revtalk, Actionscript, and others from access to the iPhone. Of course all the companies understood the rules, and many, like Rev, spent major resources, and time trying to comply by creating compatible standalone binaries. Not an insignificant task. And none of them, or their customers, or their customers customers had any notion the rules would or even could change. As soon as Jobs saw the new Flash CS5 (in the form of Flash CS5-- of which I'm told there are already a hundred of so apps in the AppStore under the previous SDK license), he rewrote the license to make sure none of these applications could now be used. I say Jobs and not Apple, because if you have followed this closely, you would know Jobs is the one behind it all. Whether or not you agree with him is up to you. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Really? It takes a rev stack and converts all content into OBJECTIVE C > source. Inserts it into the apple blessed ipad IDE, and then compiles an > app in the apple blessed IDE? How would apple know or care where the app > spent its early years? I don't think that is how revmobile works. Not > exactly. Am I wrong? Does a revmoblile user have to have a mac running the > apple blessed IDE? _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at altuit.com Fri May 7 00:42:42 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 23:42:42 -0500 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <20100507042306.MCZE23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100507042306.MCZE23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: There's a huge problem with your argument regarding the Apple situation. First off, most every vendor who creates cross platform binaries for the iPad has confirmed they can incorporate any of the features which Apple's toolset requires-- no problems. This is not a technical issue. But the much larger issue is one of trust and intent. Clearly, Apple does not want third party toolsets writing binaries for their platform. Jobs has stated such. Their license even states what they want the "original" code to be programmed in. What would make someone like Adobe, or RunRev want to invest even more dollars 'getting around the license' when Apple could just as swiftly revise their license terms once again? While one could not and should not blame Adobe or RunRev for the first mistake of trying to comply, only to be thwarted by totally unexpected changes in a 4.0 (not 1,2 or 3 vers) SDK license, I'm sure shareholders and BOD's would not look too kindly at a management who continued on such a mission, only to be thwarted again by more new changes in Apple's license. "First time-- shame on Apple. Second time-- shame on you!" Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 6, 2010, at 11:23 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Yes, this is why I am suggesting that rev output C source that can be opened within the blessed IDE. Apple wants control at that level. I am sure this is so that its compiler can insert com checks and interrupts for ads and tracking of monetary unit exchange. So if that is what apple wants, give it up. An xtalk to C source translator presents soooooo many opportunities. Endless. From randall at randallreetz.com Fri May 7 01:01:57 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 22:01:57 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <20100507042306.MCZE23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <414BC301-4C6F-4D45-AD67-58E56F8B2872@randallreetz.com> OK, well I get all of this. Apple is slimy (at least while it is going all ape sh__ on adobe). But nobody has answered my proposal. Why not write an xtalk to C source (not binary or byte code) translator? That way, it is trivial to copy and paste source into apple's blessed IDE (or anyone else's for that matter). Apple wants its hands into the source, pre-compiler, so give it to them! I know apple, like any platform, is a moving target(s). But that is the name of the game in high tech. Moore's law and such. Rev is a great tool. But it isn't a tool that is in charge. Playing catchup is always risky. Most if not all of the revMobile IP is transferable to a scheme like the one I have suggested. All of the emulators and IDEs continue to do what they were meant to do. It is just output that has to be adjusted. I am guessing that Rev is a C or Java based IP set anyway. I can see why that lent it self to byte code export. Oh well. If Rev was to offer another revenue option, where the rev community was given the choice to pay substantially less for the product and agree to give up a percentage of any revenue generated through the sale of apps, it might incentivize rev to go deeper into this upfront investment. I would gladly enter into such an agreement. Seems only fair. Why shouldn't Rev benefit if I should benefit from Rev products? Also, that would take the purchasing burden off of kids and students and others who might want to explore but aren't sure they want to pay hundreds of dollars just to see if Rev or programming is their cup of tea. I don't know if it is myth or fact, but the hype surrounding app sales is pretty astounding. Gold rush like. Rev could make a lot of money if they got residuals from rev built apps when they sell. So, how much harder would it be to output decently formed C source from Rev stacks than it is to output byte code? Anyone know? Adobe has an axe to grind. Rev doesn't, (or does it?). Rev needs to be nimble and adaptive, play nice? the benevolent parasite. Randall On May 6, 2010, at 9:42 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > There's a huge problem with your argument regarding the Apple situation. First off, most every vendor who creates cross platform binaries for the iPad has confirmed they can incorporate any of the features which Apple's toolset requires-- no problems. This is not a technical issue. > > But the much larger issue is one of trust and intent. Clearly, Apple does not want third party toolsets writing binaries for their platform. Jobs has stated such. Their license even states what they want the "original" code to be programmed in. What would make someone like Adobe, or RunRev want to invest even more dollars 'getting around the license' when Apple could just as swiftly revise their license terms once again? > > While one could not and should not blame Adobe or RunRev for the first mistake of trying to comply, only to be thwarted by totally unexpected changes in a 4.0 (not 1,2 or 3 vers) SDK license, I'm sure shareholders and BOD's would not look too kindly at a management who continued on such a mission, only to be thwarted again by more new changes in Apple's license. > > "First time-- shame on Apple. > Second time-- shame on you!" > > Chipp Walters > CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc > > On May 6, 2010, at 11:23 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > >> Yes, this is why I am suggesting that rev output C source that can be opened within the blessed IDE. Apple wants control at that level. I am sure this is so that its compiler can insert com checks and interrupts for ads and tracking of monetary unit exchange. So if that is what apple wants, give it up. An xtalk to C source translator presents soooooo many opportunities. Endless. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri May 7 01:08:57 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 22:08:57 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <4BE3A069.4080409@fourthworld.com> Randall Reetz wrote: > But nobody has answered my proposal. Why not write an xtalk to C > source (not binary or byte code) translator? Now it's four times: keyword: provenance -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From jmyepes at mac.com Fri May 7 01:20:03 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 22:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Selected object "boxes" In-Reply-To: <4BE38B8A.2020901@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1273202244598-2133653.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BE38B8A.2020901@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <24ED19A9-7B41-4269-B6EC-A6C69DE08119@mac.com> Hi, But I need that the user create the poly on the fly, making a "layer", so with create graphic this is fixed, isn't? El 07/05/2010, a las 5:40, J. Landman Gay [via Runtime Revolution] escribi?: > JosepM wrote: > > Hi List, > > > > I don't know how to refer to this boxes, maybe the anchor points > to resize > > the object. > > We call them "handles". > > > I need make invisible the boxes that appear when draw a polygon or > circle, > > the dark grey boxes around the graphic. I need to draw a polygon > but without > > show these anchor boxes, so they difficult the draw. > > > > It's posible? > > The engine puts handles on the graphic whenever it is selected in edit > mode. Your script can create a graphic without using edit mode and > there > will be no handles: > > create graphic "newGrc" > > If you need to resize the graphic, you'd have to figure out the > rectangle and then set it by script: > > set the rect of grc "newGrc" to a,b,x,y > > As long as you are not in edit mode there will be no handles. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | [hidden email] > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Selected-object-boxes-tp2133653p2133672.html > To unsubscribe from Selected object "boxes", click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Selected-object-boxes-tp2133653p2133720.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jmyepes at mac.com Fri May 7 01:20:43 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 22:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Selected object "boxes" In-Reply-To: <415f6.42f596ee.3914e457@aol.com> References: <1273202244598-2133653.post@n4.nabble.com> <415f6.42f596ee.3914e457@aol.com> Message-ID: <21078E0A-4735-4936-990D-CEC335E771AA@mac.com> OK. Thanks. El 07/05/2010, a las 5:35, dunbarx [via Runtime Revolution] escribi?: > I wrote a live resizing gadget a while back. Works under script > control, > not the IDE tools. Likely someone will post a full application in > the next few > minutes, but if not, I will send mine tomorrow when I get to my > office. > > Craig Newman > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Selected-object-boxes-tp2133653p2133669.html > To unsubscribe from Selected object "boxes", click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Selected-object-boxes-tp2133653p2133721.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jmyepes at mac.com Fri May 7 01:22:35 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 22:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Selected object "boxes" In-Reply-To: <4BE38B8A.2020901@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1273202244598-2133653.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BE38B8A.2020901@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Or maybe reduze the size of the handles (found the word :) changing some pattern...? Salut, Josep El 07/05/2010, a las 5:40, J. Landman Gay [via Runtime Revolution] escribi?: > JosepM wrote: > > Hi List, > > > > I don't know how to refer to this boxes, maybe the anchor points > to resize > > the object. > > We call them "handles". > > > I need make invisible the boxes that appear when draw a polygon or > circle, > > the dark grey boxes around the graphic. I need to draw a polygon > but without > > show these anchor boxes, so they difficult the draw. > > > > It's posible? > > The engine puts handles on the graphic whenever it is selected in edit > mode. Your script can create a graphic without using edit mode and > there > will be no handles: > > create graphic "newGrc" > > If you need to resize the graphic, you'd have to figure out the > rectangle and then set it by script: > > set the rect of grc "newGrc" to a,b,x,y > > As long as you are not in edit mode there will be no handles. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | [hidden email] > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Selected-object-boxes-tp2133653p2133672.html > To unsubscribe from Selected object "boxes", click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Selected-object-boxes-tp2133653p2133723.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From chipp at altuit.com Fri May 7 01:30:20 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 00:30:20 -0500 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <414BC301-4C6F-4D45-AD67-58E56F8B2872@randallreetz.com> References: <20100507042306.MCZE23332.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <414BC301-4C6F-4D45-AD67-58E56F8B2872@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: <06CF5EE4-520E-472A-B040-B5F5E606F200@altuit.com> It's not about axes to grind-- it's just about business. Apple has stated they don't want cross platform dev tools for iPhone. Period. Why would Rev consider trying to go around their wishes without their expressed consent? Let's take an example. Say you're Adobe's CEO, and you just finished spending millions of dollars building CS5 for Flash. It compiles beautifully into fast iPhone compatible binaries and now you believe you have a great authoring environment for iPhone which will sell millions of copies. But, Apple goes out of it's way to rewrite their licensing terms JUST so THAT doesn't happen. So, you're sitting in a 'What's next?' meeting and someone tells you: "You know, we can modify our CS5 compiler to spit out Xcode compatible C and it will only take another year and another million bucks." What do you do? Apple's made it pretty clear they'll do whatever it takes to keep you off their platform. If you say, "Go ahead," then I would fire you, as would all of your shareholders. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 7, 2010, at 12:01 AM, Randall Reetz wrote: > Adobe has an axe to grind. Rev doesn't, (or does it?). Rev needs to be nimble and adaptive, play nice? the benevolent parasite. > > Randall From randall at randallreetz.com Fri May 7 01:31:58 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 22:31:58 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <20100507053203.UQFR29903.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Yes, I have read it several times. But apple is grasping here. What matters is what they are motivated by (what is behind the rule). Apple is getting bad press and worse. They want a solution that doesn't cause a riot. So I ask again, what would it take to export C source? That way apple can keep its fingers in everything (i think that is what thay are after). And rev shouldn't care. Adobe does, but rev shouldn't. Win win win. Apple says providence but means access at the compiler stage. That is my bet. Anyone at rev asked jobs this yet? -----Original Message----- From: Richard Gaskin Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:08 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Randall Reetz wrote: > But nobody has answered my proposal. Why not write an xtalk to C > source (not binary or byte code) translator? Now it's four times: keyword: provenance -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Fri May 7 01:37:49 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 22:37:49 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> I disagree. The federal trade commission will disagree. Apple is up a tree on this one. They might be able to say the source has to be run through their compiler, but they can't demand that it is written on their typewriters. So if you show them that you will give them access to pre-compiled source, they will be more then happy. They aren't trying to sell their IDE. They just want in at the source code level. I would too. -----Original Message----- From: Chipp Walters Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:30 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? It's not about axes to grind-- it's just about business. Apple has stated they don't want cross platform dev tools for iPhone. Period. Why would Rev consider trying to go around their wishes without their expressed consent? Let's take an example. Say you're Adobe's CEO, and you just finished spending millions of dollars building CS5 for Flash. It compiles beautifully into fast iPhone compatible binaries and now you believe you have a great authoring environment for iPhone which will sell millions of copies. But, Apple goes out of it's way to rewrite their licensing terms JUST so THAT doesn't happen. So, you're sitting in a 'What's next?' meeting and someone tells you: "You know, we can modify our CS5 compiler to spit out Xcode compatible C and it will only take another year and another million bucks." What do you do? Apple's made it pretty clear they'll do whatever it takes to keep you off their platform. If you say, "Go ahead," then I would fire you, as would all of your shareholders. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 7, 2010, at 12:01 AM, Randall Reetz wrote: > Adobe has an axe to grind. Rev doesn't, (or does it?). Rev needs to be nimble and adaptive, play nice? the benevolent parasite. > > Randall _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at altuit.com Fri May 7 02:04:30 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 01:04:30 -0500 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> Yes. That is how many people feel about this situation. Still, Rev by themselves can do nothing to challenge it. Perhaps Adobe can. BTW, just so no one thinks I'm an Adobe apologist-- I have worked closely with a number of individuals there and I have seen firsthand serious issues with their business processes. I wouldn't call them illegal, but inept might fit the bill. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 7, 2010, at 12:37 AM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I disagree. The federal trade commission will disagree. Apple is up a tree on this one. They might be able to say the source has to be run through their compiler, but they can't demand that it is written on their typewriters. From niggemann at uni-wh.de Fri May 7 04:13:00 2010 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 01:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Selected object "boxes" In-Reply-To: <21078E0A-4735-4936-990D-CEC335E771AA@mac.com> References: <1273202244598-2133653.post@n4.nabble.com> <415f6.42f596ee.3914e457@aol.com> <21078E0A-4735-4936-990D-CEC335E771AA@mac.com> Message-ID: <1273219980287-2133840.post@n4.nabble.com> Josep, look at RevOnline, I did a stack "create polygon graphic" that shows how a user can draw a polygon graphic without the "handles" etc. It has a couple more options, some of them not too well implemented, but you could use it as a start. And Craig might send you his stack, so you have something to chew on. regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Selected-object-boxes-tp2133653p2133840.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rene.micout at numericable.com Fri May 7 05:15:34 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:15:34 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> References: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> Message-ID: <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> Hello Chipp, Richard, Randall, ... Sorry Tom, I'm sorry to revive the debate, but, for me, everything is not clear... I make a supposition ? unfortunaly it is a supposition :-( I am an expert with RevTalk and Objective C. I make a tool that allows me to write a project with RevTalk language. I use Interface Builder to create the interface. I click a "magic" button and all my work turns into a perfect Objective C code. I enter my new Objective C code (copy and paste) in Cocoa Xcode on my Macintosh and I start construct the application as if I type all with my little hands... How Apple can prove that I used the language RevTalk to "prototype" my code ? Am I in this case in violation of ? 3.3.1 ? In absolute (towards contract), yes, but where are the proof ? If I act in this way, I don't see where is there problem... Ren? From th.douez at gmail.com Fri May 7 05:34:55 2010 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry D.) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:34:55 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> References: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> Message-ID: Le 7 mai 2010 ? 11:15, Ren? Micout a ?crit : > <....> > Am I in this case in violation of ? 3.3.1 ? In absolute (towards contract), yes, but where are the proof ? > If I act in this way, I don't see where is there problem... > Ren? Bonjour Ren?, Then, in your next reincarnation, you will be a vulture, eating only rotten food :) Cordialement, Thierry From jmyepes at mac.com Fri May 7 05:41:27 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 02:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Datagrid can't not find stack Message-ID: <1273225287372-2133926.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi List, I have a stack with a datagrid that add and delete rows without problem. Then I open a substack as sheet where the user fill some customer data and close the substack. Then if I try to add a row to the datagrid... "an error has ocurred in behavior for the column template: Chunk: can't find stack." The substack can be filled manually or from the database, if I recover the data from the database, the grid works fine, but if I fill the data manually, then don't work. The data is passed with dialogdata. What is wrong? Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Datagrid-can-t-not-find-stack-tp2133926p2133926.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rene.micout at numericable.com Fri May 7 06:52:06 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:52:06 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> Message-ID: Objective C = rotten food ? Le 7 mai 2010 ? 11:34, Thierry D. a ?crit : > > Le 7 mai 2010 ? 11:15, Ren? Micout a ?crit : > >> <....> >> Am I in this case in violation of ? 3.3.1 ? In absolute (towards contract), yes, but where are the proof ? >> If I act in this way, I don't see where is there problem... >> Ren? > > > Bonjour Ren?, > > Then, in your next reincarnation, > you will be a vulture, eating only rotten food :) > > Cordialement, > Thierry > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri May 7 07:05:03 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 06:05:03 -0500 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> Message-ID: <4F65B668-4088-44C4-BC7B-44306FF07D27@me.com> I thought it might have been a French thing, but we're not allowed to talk about cheese. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 7, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Objective C = rotten food ? > > Le 7 mai 2010 ? 11:34, Thierry D. a ?crit : > >> >> Le 7 mai 2010 ? 11:15, Ren? Micout a ?crit : >> >>> <....> >>> Am I in this case in violation of ? 3.3.1 ? In absolute (towards contract), yes, but where are the proof ? >>> If I act in this way, I don't see where is there problem... >>> Ren? >> >> >> Bonjour Ren?, >> >> Then, in your next reincarnation, >> you will be a vulture, eating only rotten food :) >> >> Cordialement, >> Thierry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pbower at soundmedicine.com Fri May 7 07:29:41 2010 From: pbower at soundmedicine.com (pbower at soundmedicine.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:29:41 -0400 Subject: revmobile and posting to the internet Message-ID: <47711ECE7EDB4AE597DB9783A3368E13@PeterDeskTop> Is there a way to get data to and from a remote server via a post command or some other method that will work once the revmobile plug-in deploys the app to an iPhone/iPad? thanks Peter J. Bower, M.D. 630 Peter Jefferson Pky. Suite # 230 Charlottesville, VA 22911 (434) 964-0159 f(434) 978-1667 From rene.micout at numericable.com Fri May 7 08:10:14 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:10:14 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <4F65B668-4088-44C4-BC7B-44306FF07D27@me.com> References: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <4F65B668-4088-44C4-BC7B-44306FF07D27@me.com> Message-ID: <25060D72-279B-4F0F-A7F2-576103A9F231@numericable.com> Cheese + snail + frog !!! For french people = :-) For others = :-( Le 7 mai 2010 ? 13:05, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > I thought it might have been a French thing, but we're not allowed to talk about cheese. > > > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: > http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch > > On May 7, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> Objective C = rotten food ? >> >> Le 7 mai 2010 ? 11:34, Thierry D. a ?crit : >> >>> >>> Le 7 mai 2010 ? 11:15, Ren? Micout a ?crit : >>> >>>> <....> >>>> Am I in this case in violation of ? 3.3.1 ? In absolute (towards contract), yes, but where are the proof ? >>>> If I act in this way, I don't see where is there problem... >>>> Ren? >>> >>> >>> Bonjour Ren?, >>> >>> Then, in your next reincarnation, >>> you will be a vulture, eating only rotten food :) >>> >>> Cordialement, >>> Thierry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Fri May 7 08:29:42 2010 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:29:42 +0000 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> References: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox><7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com><099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> Message-ID: <1223542399-1273234686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-235800117-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hi Rene, are you concerned that there may be an ethical issue with doing that? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Ren? Micout Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:15:34 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Hello Chipp, Richard, Randall, ... Sorry Tom, I'm sorry to revive the debate, but, for me, everything is not clear... I make a supposition ? unfortunaly it is a supposition :-( I am an expert with RevTalk and Objective C. I make a tool that allows me to write a project with RevTalk language. I use Interface Builder to create the interface. I click a "magic" button and all my work turns into a perfect Objective C code. I enter my new Objective C code (copy and paste) in Cocoa Xcode on my Macintosh and I start construct the application as if I type all with my little hands... How Apple can prove that I used the language RevTalk to "prototype" my code ? Am I in this case in violation of ? 3.3.1 ? In absolute (towards contract), yes, but where are the proof ? If I act in this way, I don't see where is there problem... Ren? _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com Fri May 7 08:18:43 2010 From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:18:43 +0200 Subject: revmobile and posting to the internet In-Reply-To: <47711ECE7EDB4AE597DB9783A3368E13@PeterDeskTop> References: <47711ECE7EDB4AE597DB9783A3368E13@PeterDeskTop> Message-ID: Peter, going through the Documentation I found this: At present, there is only limited support for non-file URL access. You can fetch urls by using the url chunk, just as you do in the Desktop engine, but post url, delete url and load url will not work. However the get command works fine. I wonder if we can access a MySQL database from revmobile too. Nothing is said about this in the documentation ( but is says" externals cannot currently be loaded" ). All the best Paolo On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:29 PM, wrote: > Is there a way to get data to and from a remote server via a post command > or some other method that will work once the revmobile plug-in deploys the > app to an iPhone/iPad? > > thanks > > > Peter J. Bower, M.D. > 630 Peter Jefferson Pky. > Suite # 230 > Charlottesville, VA 22911 > (434) 964-0159 f(434) 978-1667 > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From rman at free.fr Fri May 7 08:21:02 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 05:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> Message-ID: <1273234862020-2134074.post@n4.nabble.com> Man.. let us read... 3.3.1 ? Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). Let's start reading ... A few definitions : API's - is an interface implemented by a software program which enables it to interact with other software (same language or foreign languages). PLease note that the 3.3.1 DOES NOT state documented API by Apple!! and refers to PRiVATE APIs. Litterally speaking PUBLIC APIs like google maps etc.. do not fall in!! There are some feras expressed that an expanded interpretation of this clause would embrace all forms of organized libraires writen in C or C++ that could be incorporated by a programmer to better structure his program. I cannot see how this interpretation can hold. As well as I cannot understand the fuss about "ORIGINALLY WRITTEN in c.." because this is unenforceable legally... I guess that "Originally written" in Steve's mind means in that context "hand" written, not just output by a machine... But, from a legal point of view nobody can restrain the way you think, work, produce your code. Steve cannot forbid the use of any form or helping tool, 3rd party documentation, copying/pasting of functions from here or there, or software robot, intermediate layer, provided it delivers some x code : nobody can restrain this freedom. The copyright law protects only the materialization of ideas, never the ideas themselves, nor the processes, not the methods. And programming has been clearly associated to writing. So nobody (even Stevie..) can (LEGALLY - ei enforceable in court) dictate how the hell you produce your damned x Code libraries. So I support the argument that the only way that "originally written in c" can be interpreted is "at some stage materially visible and editable in C or C++ in the XCode environment" whatever steps have occured before, as these prior steps are immaterial. The limit would be if for instance revMobile produced X Code in two parts : a) the actual stack application code and b) alongside a set of home made runrev librarires writen in C or C++ that would be neccessary, part A) calling part b). My conviction is that even in that situation, a legal action by Apple would not succeed on the ground of 3.3.1. But I guess anyhow Apple has a full discretionnary power to allow apps or not in their APP store, SO FAR, so yes they could easily tell "your app uses a set of runrev libraries we de not like.. It is likely you use runrev as a production tool and we do not like it.. be bye!" Or tell you nothing, just NO! But I cannot see "them" as plain evil, just like that. They seem to have plans for the future and have reasons to enforce the c++ or c and Xcode compiler. But they do not seem to have any interest to go further than that. SO personnaly, as a member of the mobile rev alpha program I would not throw my coin at Kevin if he announced such a direction to be taken, with or without steve's consent, if there is a possibility technically. In practice though, I'm getting ready to byte at xcode straight from the box, this summer, because, I do not want to wait infinitely until we have the perfect tool and I would also welcome Kevin if he told us that he just stopped the revMObile iphone program with a compensation for early buyers. It might well be the most reasonnable course to take. I would welcome a correlative annoucemet to focus BACK on ON-REV to produce an actual alternative to PHP, with .irev stacks that would allow selling libraries and developping this market, on which runrev could really shine... and where runrev would stand clear of Steve's fears.. I appreciate and supported the mobile rev venture, but I really ask Kevin and runrev as a whole in the interest of all parties to cover for the secure grounds before going to battle in a new adverse territory. -- I am deceived with the ON-REV stand still situation making it impossible (unless using old CGI) to install on-rev on 3rd parties servers and market private libraires. And it seems much more within reach to me than re-engeeneering revMobile, that can still be used for vertical professionnal apps not sold in the AppStore. -- I really suffered with the AUDIO ( I mean the lack of audio libraires, in runrev..) I found solutions but quicktime lib + lame lib but could not complete project due to lack of basic mix libraries (fade in out, simple mixin transition). So anyway.. solution seems to go Xcode direct.. Hugh! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-exactly-does-runrev-for-ipad-iphone-work-tp2133661p2134074.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rene.micout at numericable.com Fri May 7 08:33:10 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:33:10 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <1223542399-1273234686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-235800117-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox><7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com><099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1223542399-1273234686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-235800117-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: No. When I responds to some posts, my English is too poor, and I use a translation application. My views may seem clumsy, but are not dishonest... In the computer's world using English is necessary but not obligatory. I think in French even when I speak English (I'd like to think in English, but...), I claim the right to think RevTalk while writing in Objective C. Where is the ethical problem ? Ren? Le 7 mai 2010 ? 14:29, jonathandlynch at gmail.com a ?crit : > Hi Rene, are you concerned that there may be an ethical issue with doing that? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ren? Micout > Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:15:34 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? > > Hello Chipp, Richard, Randall, ... Sorry Tom, > I'm sorry to revive the debate, but, for me, everything is not clear... > I make a supposition ? unfortunaly it is a supposition :-( > I am an expert with RevTalk and Objective C. > I make a tool that allows me to write a project with RevTalk language. I use Interface Builder to create the interface. > I click a "magic" button and all my work turns into a perfect Objective C code. > I enter my new Objective C code (copy and paste) in Cocoa Xcode on my Macintosh and I start construct the application as if I type all with my little hands... > How Apple can prove that I used the language RevTalk to "prototype" my code ? > Am I in this case in violation of ? 3.3.1 ? In absolute (towards contract), yes, but where are the proof ? > If I act in this way, I don't see where is there problem... > Ren? > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com Fri May 7 08:38:02 2010 From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:38:02 +0200 Subject: MySQL driver in Windows standalones Message-ID: Why from a stack using the MySQL commands i get a single file application for the MACOS platform and a file with the Externals folder (with dirvers + .dll file) if I build the standalone for the windows platform? Can I have a windows application with the MySQL drivers embedded in a single file (like for the mac?) ? Thanks Paolo Mazza From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri May 7 08:40:59 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 05:40:59 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <4BE40A5B.6010804@fourthworld.com> Ren? Micout wrote: > Hello Chipp, Richard, Randall, ... Sorry Tom, > I'm sorry to revive the debate, but, for me, everything is > not clear... I hope this becomes less of a debate and simply a healthy, sober discussion of business decisions. If we maintain a professional tone I think many aspects of this thread can be very valuable. > I make a supposition ? unfortunaly it is a supposition :-( > I am an expert with RevTalk and Objective C. > I make a tool that allows me to write a project with RevTalk > language. I use Interface Builder to create the interface. > I click a "magic" button and all my work turns into a perfect > Objective C code. > I enter my new Objective C code (copy and paste) in Cocoa Xcode on > my Macintosh and I start construct the application as if I type > all with my little hands... > How Apple can prove that I used the language RevTalk to "prototype" > my code ? > Am I in this case in violation of ? 3.3.1 ? In absolute (towards > contract), yes, but where are the proof ? > If I act in this way, I don't see where is there problem... The fact that you acknowledge in advance that it may be a violation -- and have done so in writing in a public forum -- should be enough to question the practice. I'm no lawyer, but the world's discussion of this issue seems to make it clear that Apple is firm on the code provenance issue, that you cannot use another language to generate C/C++/Objective-C, but instead the app must be "originally written in" such a language. The terms of the license make such a violation punishable under criminal law. If the Gizmodo case is any indicator, you could expect a SWAT team to arrest you and confiscate your computers. Even if you ultimately prevail in such a case, or if some class-action or FTC suit later forces Apple to reconsider their unusual stance on this, in the meantime you would be in jail awaiting trial and that would destroy your business. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From rene.micout at numericable.com Fri May 7 08:46:15 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:46:15 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <1273234862020-2134074.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1273234862020-2134074.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <239FEBF6-2A7F-4768-A152-3333A9FA39E4@numericable.com> Thank you Hugh ! I agree and particulary the end of your post about Audio Ren? Le 7 mai 2010 ? 14:21, Robert Mann a ?crit : > -- I really suffered with the AUDIO ( I mean the lack of audio libraires, in > runrev..) I found solutions but quicktime lib + lame lib From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Fri May 7 08:58:57 2010 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (jonathandlynch at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:58:57 +0000 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox><7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com><099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com><1223542399-1273234686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-235800117-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1847937487-1273236441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2141783687-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> The potential problem would be in violating a contract you signed - I say potential because I do not know all the nuances of this situation. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Ren? Micout Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:33:10 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? No. When I responds to some posts, my English is too poor, and I use a translation application. My views may seem clumsy, but are not dishonest... In the computer's world using English is necessary but not obligatory. I think in French even when I speak English (I'd like to think in English, but...), I claim the right to think RevTalk while writing in Objective C. Where is the ethical problem ? Ren? Le 7 mai 2010 ? 14:29, jonathandlynch at gmail.com a ?crit : > Hi Rene, are you concerned that there may be an ethical issue with doing that? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ren? Micout > Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:15:34 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? > > Hello Chipp, Richard, Randall, ... Sorry Tom, > I'm sorry to revive the debate, but, for me, everything is not clear... > I make a supposition ? unfortunaly it is a supposition :-( > I am an expert with RevTalk and Objective C. > I make a tool that allows me to write a project with RevTalk language. I use Interface Builder to create the interface. > I click a "magic" button and all my work turns into a perfect Objective C code. > I enter my new Objective C code (copy and paste) in Cocoa Xcode on my Macintosh and I start construct the application as if I type all with my little hands... > How Apple can prove that I used the language RevTalk to "prototype" my code ? > Am I in this case in violation of ? 3.3.1 ? In absolute (towards contract), yes, but where are the proof ? > If I act in this way, I don't see where is there problem... > Ren? > >_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Fri May 7 08:51:39 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:51:39 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <1847937487-1273236441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2141783687-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox><7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com><099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com><1223542399-1273234686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-235800117-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1847937487-1273236441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2141783687-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: But I respect the contract : I think in RevTalk (it is my private life) and I write in Objective C and I compile "my" Objective C code on (in ?) Xcode... I don't understand where is the violation... Le 7 mai 2010 ? 14:58, jonathandlynch at gmail.com a ?crit : > The potential problem would be in violating a contract you signed - I say potential because I do not know all the nuances of this situation. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From lists at mangomultimedia.com Fri May 7 08:56:17 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 08:56:17 -0400 Subject: Datagrid can't not find stack In-Reply-To: <1273225287372-2133926.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273225287372-2133926.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8D6B2DB5-4703-4BB7-86FB-3C2D945E1243@mangomultimedia.com> On May 7, 2010, at 5:41 AM, JosepM wrote: > I have a stack with a datagrid that add and delete rows without > problem. > Then I open a substack as sheet where the user fill some customer > data and > close the substack. Then if I try to add a row to the datagrid... > "an error > has ocurred in behavior for the column template: Chunk: can't find > stack." Add a try/catch statement around the code in FillInData or LayoutControl and then print the error throw to the message box. on FillInData ... try ... catch e put e end try end FillInData -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From kkaufman at snet.net Fri May 7 09:10:50 2010 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:10:50 -0400 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <750221E6-9BEA-441C-B717-74793C53B313@snet.net> Again, who would bet on making an end-run around a moving target, especially if that target bites so fiercely to protect its perceived turf? From bleiler at buffalo.edu Fri May 7 07:52:56 2010 From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:52:56 -0400 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> Message-ID: <8F6B3158-B592-4353-9327-18236C5C8480@buffalo.edu> Maybe it's time for a new "Rev-Mobile" list? It is a different product after all. Just a thought. From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Fri May 7 09:15:26 2010 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:15:26 -0400 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1223542399-1273234686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-235800117-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1847937487-1273236441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2141783687-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Well, Ren?, the violation would be whatever violation you were referring to when you said: "Am I in this case in violation of ? 3.3.1 ? In absolute (towards contract), yes, but where are the proof ?" J On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > But I respect the contract : I think in RevTalk (it is my private life) and > I write in Objective C and I compile "my" Objective C code on (in ?) > Xcode... > I don't understand where is the violation... > > Le 7 mai 2010 ? 14:58, jonathandlynch at gmail.com a ?crit : > > > The potential problem would be in violating a contract you signed - I say > potential because I do not know all the nuances of this situation. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Do all things with love From rene.micout at numericable.com Fri May 7 09:27:05 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:27:05 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1223542399-1273234686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-235800117-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1847937487-1273236441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2141783687-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Yes, But I read (now) all the ? 3. Your obligations of the iPhone SDK license. It is not easy, all is in English juridic language (I don't find the French license... Does it exist ? If not in France [loi Toubon] the litigious terms of the contract are considered invalid... But is not the subject) When I red this part of the license I can say if "not using Objective C, C, C++" is a violation of the license. I never read something like that after a quick read... But it is necessary to read scrupulously to carry on... Ren? Le 7 mai 2010 ? 15:15, Jonathan Lynch a ?crit : > Well, Ren?, the violation would be whatever violation you were referring to > when you said: > > "Am I in this case in violation of ? 3.3.1 ? In absolute (towards contract), > yes, but where are the proof ?" > > J > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> But I respect the contract : I think in RevTalk (it is my private life) and >> I write in Objective C and I compile "my" Objective C code on (in ?) >> Xcode... >> I don't understand where is the violation... >> >> Le 7 mai 2010 ? 14:58, jonathandlynch at gmail.com a ?crit : >> >>> The potential problem would be in violating a contract you signed - I say >> potential because I do not know all the nuances of this situation. >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > Do all things with love > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Fri May 7 09:33:13 2010 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:33:13 +0100 Subject: Accessing data from HID compliant USB device In-Reply-To: <20100507105208.926C428815D@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100507105208.926C428815D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <8A8F74CA-C1C5-479D-8FEF-2C953ADD1864@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk> Hello folks, This one has been churning around in my head for ages, and I finally bought a couple of joysticks to experiment with. I want to build a standalone that responds to joystick input. Nothing requiring huge amounts of data or processing, just detection of joystick position -> onscreen response scaling or moving an image. I can understand the basic principles of HID, but can't get to grips with where the data goes in either Mac or Windows, and what would be involved in capturing it in Rev. I have found some developer articles which address this, but they relate to other languages (VB & RB, I think). Any advice would be most welcome. Thanks David Glasgow From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Fri May 7 09:44:15 2010 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:44:15 -0400 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1223542399-1273234686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-235800117-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1847937487-1273236441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2141783687-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: I think that is in the new license agreement - 4.0 I don't want to add any more to the large quantity of postings on this topic, so I will stop now. My only parting advice would be to listen to your conscience and try to do the right thing. I do wish that Steve Jobs would not have put so many people into this position, but trying to find legal maneuvers to sneak around the letter of the development agreement will not end well for anyone, including RunRev and its community of developers. Best of luck to you, J On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Yes, > But I read (now) all the ? 3. Your obligations of the iPhone SDK license. > It is not easy, all is in English juridic language (I don't find the French > license... Does it exist ? If not in France [loi Toubon] the litigious > terms of the contract are considered invalid... But is not the subject) > When I red this part of the license I can say if "not using Objective C, C, > C++" is a violation of the license. > I never read something like that after a quick read... > But it is necessary to read scrupulously to carry on... > Ren? > > Le 7 mai 2010 ? 15:15, Jonathan Lynch a ?crit : > > > Well, Ren?, the violation would be whatever violation you were referring > to > > when you said: > > > > "Am I in this case in violation of ? 3.3.1 ? In absolute (towards > contract), > > yes, but where are the proof ?" > > > > J > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Ren? Micout >wrote: > > > >> But I respect the contract : I think in RevTalk (it is my private life) > and > >> I write in Objective C and I compile "my" Objective C code on (in ?) > >> Xcode... > >> I don't understand where is the violation... > >> > >> Le 7 mai 2010 ? 14:58, jonathandlynch at gmail.com a ?crit : > >> > >>> The potential problem would be in violating a contract you signed - I > say > >> potential because I do not know all the nuances of this situation. > >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Do all things with love > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Do all things with love From DunbarX at aol.com Fri May 7 09:46:38 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:46:38 EDT Subject: Selected object "boxes" Message-ID: These two handlers can be put into the script of any object. It is no big deal; very straighforward. The commented lines refer to a small btn called "handle" which I originally had to indicate exactly what you don't want to see. The handler can certainly be modified and put in the card script to work on any object. I originally made this to test which messages seemed to be best suited for the task, like "mouseWithin", "mouseMove" and "mouseStillDown". This is the "mouseDown" version. watch line breaks... on mouseDown repeat while the mouse is down --show btn "handle" put the rect of me into tRect put whichCorner(the mouseloc,tRect) into tCorner switch case tcorner = "TR" set the rect of me to item 1 of tRect & "," & item 2 of the mouseLoc & "," & item 1 of the mouseLoc & "," & item 4 of tRect --set the loc of btn "handle" to item 3 of the rect of me & "," & item 2 of the rect of me break case tcorner = "TL" set the rect of me to item 1 of the mouseLoc & "," & item 2 of the mouseLoc & "," & item 3 of tRect & "," & item 4 of tRect --set the loc of btn "handle" to item 1 of the rect of me & "," & item 2 of the rect of me break case tcorner = "BL" set the rect of me to item 1 of the the mouseLoc & "," & item 2 of tRect & "," & item 3 of tRect & "," & item 2 of the mouseLoc --set the loc of btn "handle" to item 1 of the rect of me & "," & item 4 of the rect of me break case tcorner = "BR" set the rect of me to item 1 of tRect & "," & item 2 of tRect & "," & item 1 of the mouseLoc & "," & item 2 of the mouseLoc --set the loc of btn "handle" to item 3 of the rect of me & "," & item 4 of the rect of me break end Switch end repeat hide btn "handle" end mouseDown function whichCorner mLoc,tRect switch case abs(item 2 of mLoc - item 2 of tRect) < 15 and abs(item 1 of mLoc - item 3 of tRect) < 15 return TR break case abs(item 1 of mLoc - item 1 of tRect) < 15 and abs(item 2 of mLoc - item 2 of tRect) < 15 return TL break case abs(item 1 of mLoc - item 1 of tRect) < 15 and abs(item 2 of mLoc - item 4 of tRect) < 15 return BL break case abs(item 1 of mLoc - item 3 of tRect) < 15 and abs(item 2 of mLoc - item 4 of tRect) < 15 return BR break end switch end whichCorner From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Fri May 7 09:48:05 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:48:05 +0200 Subject: Datagrid can't not find stack In-Reply-To: <1273225287372-2133926.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273225287372-2133926.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Le 7 mai 10 ? 11:41, JosepM a ?crit : > > Hi List, > > I have a stack with a datagrid that add and delete rows without > problem. > Then I open a substack as sheet where the user fill some customer > data and > close the substack. Then if I try to add a row to the datagrid... > "an error > has ocurred in behavior for the column template: Chunk: can't find > stack." > > The substack can be filled manually or from the database, if I > recover the > data from the database, the grid works fine, but if I fill the data > manually, then don't work. The data is passed with dialogdata. > > What is wrong? > > > Salut, > Josep Bonjour, Thanks a lot Joseph for this post, very relevant to this list named "HOW to use Revolution", among an ocean of "OT"! :-)) I just created 1 - a stack "TrialJosep" a data grid on it named "dgjosep" with 2 columns : "name" and "forename" and a button whose script is " topLevel stack "pickTheData" 2 - a substack "pickTheData" on it 2 fields : one to enter a name the other to enter a forename and a button "OK" whose script is : on mouseUp local tInfo, ------- put fld "fldName" & tab & fld "fldForeName" into tInfo put tInfo close this stack dispatch "addLine" to grp "dgJosep" of cd 1 of stack "TrialJosep" with tInfo end mouseUp Seems working well here (I hope I have correctly understood your problem?) If yes, might be "close this stack" before adding the line is important Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From DunbarX at aol.com Fri May 7 09:49:50 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:49:50 EDT Subject: Accessing data from HID compliant USB device Message-ID: Wierd. third time this week I am recommending the "Service USB" gadget: http://bkohg.com/service_e.html Craig Newman From pmbrig at gmail.com Fri May 7 09:02:05 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:02:05 -0400 Subject: PDF import? Message-ID: <18553791-E745-4823-928F-F845DA105134@gmail.com> I suspect this has been asked and answered before, but is there any way to import a PDF file as an image in rev? The import paint command doesn't list this as an allowable file type. Please excuse my age- related dementia, I seem to recall someone having some way of doing this, a library maybe. Or perhaps I'm moving towards the drooling stage faster than I thought.... -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From rman at free.fr Fri May 7 10:05:27 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1223542399-1273234686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-235800117-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1847937487-1273236441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2141783687-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1273241127589-2134236.post@n4.nabble.com> Just.. one more word! I happen to have a legal background, my initial idea long time ago was to set up legal expert systems.. (yes I love lawyers!!). Eventhough lots of things are purely contractual in the US, there still remains the general principle in our modern states, that a contract cannot overide some "higher" rules, like the bill of right in the US which stands clear at the constitutional level. In the Gizmodo case... there was a clear breach of standard laws : it is straight illegal to buy out a stolen good.. full point. Some guy at some point has been really dumb and pretentious to rely on the freedom of press protection. In that case the freedom or press is an inferior right to the right of ownership. In our 3.3.1 case, there would be abolutely no reasonable reason for a judge to grant Apple the power to check how the hell your Xcode was written except if... -- they have proof you jailed a 10 years old genius that you exploit... that would be illegal. I think it lies in article 7 oh human rights... (nobody can interfere with your life unless there is a good reason and to do so..) Writing, managing, your xCode librairies in tText (thanks JD) IS NOT ILLEGAL. Same if you use plugins to auto-update code, or auto generate full or part of it... this is not illegal. If Apple say so, even if you have signed, but if you refuse anybody from Apple to come at your home and check, the judge will have to decide. And your attorneys will object that there is no reson to authorize this as it would be an unreasonable infringment of your fundamental freedom... And... any provision in an Apple contract saying that this use of a runrev app somwhere in the line could be challenged at court in view of the yet non existing, but implied, "freedom of thinking" clause in the bill of right.. man shall we have to vote that one in???? In France many contracts are "OVERULED" by laws that dictacte what clauses are valid or invalid ab initio, whatever you sign... and this 3.3.1 clause would not stand a chance in France and Europe. >From a technical point of view there cannot be any violation of right.. where there are no rights! And apple just has not the right to decide how you think... and has no right to forbid you to copy and paste xcode from a published source of code that allows it, however "generic" and not original it is... There are limits to how far in your life a contract can reach. Nevertheless, I'm in sympathy with Steve Jobs concern to control the quality of pieces of software that run on apples machines... !!! again the good news is that if flash gets bitten, there maybe be more opportunities for revWeb plugin and for ON-REV technologie to expand... don't yu think? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-exactly-does-runrev-for-ipad-iphone-work-tp2133661p2134236.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri May 7 10:09:17 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 07:09:17 -0700 Subject: PDF import? Message-ID: <4BE41F0D.1090404@fourthworld.com> Peter Brigham MD wrote: > I suspect this has been asked and answered before, but is there any > way to import a PDF file as an image in rev? The import paint command > doesn't list this as an allowable file type. Please excuse my age- > related dementia, I seem to recall someone having some way of doing > this, a library maybe. Or perhaps I'm moving towards the drooling > stage faster than I thought.... It's not age, just experience. :) You're absolutely right, there is one way to display PDFs in Rev and it's very limited: on OS X only you can display PDFs inside of a player control. This does not work on Windows or Linux, and as you can imagine has a limited UI (you can't select text, for example, and the page is rendered scaled within the player without scrollbars of its own, so you'll need to put it in a group of you bother with it at all). -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From coiin at verizon.net Fri May 7 10:22:57 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:22:57 -0400 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <1273241127589-2134236.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1223542399-1273234686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-235800117-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1847937487-1273236441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2141783687-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1273241127589-2134236.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3854F48C-9099-4E27-A32C-3F1632825CF8@verizon.net> On May 7, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Robert Mann wrote: > >In the Gizmodo case... there was a clear breach of standard laws : it is > straight illegal to buy out a stolen good.. full point. The story they are sticking to is that Gizmodo paid the guy the money to guarantee exclusivity, and with the intention of returning the iPhone to the owner after looking at it. So that's not quite the same as buying a stolen device. From jmyepes at mac.com Fri May 7 10:23:42 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Selected object "boxes" In-Reply-To: References: <1273202244598-2133653.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0D6EC215-D32F-4980-AAF5-8943E29F8968@mac.com> Thanks, later I will try and post the results... :) Salut, Josep El 07/05/2010, a las 15:47, dunbarx [via Runtime Revolution] escribi?: > These two handlers can be put into the script of any object. It is > no big > deal; very straighforward. The commented lines refer to a small btn > called > "handle" which I originally had to indicate exactly what you don't > want to > see. The handler can certainly be modified and put in the card > script to work > on any object. I originally made this to test which messages seemed > to be > best suited for the task, like "mouseWithin", "mouseMove" and > "mouseStillDown". > This is the "mouseDown" version. > > watch line breaks... > > > on mouseDown > repeat while the mouse is down > --show btn "handle" > put the rect of me into tRect > put whichCorner(the mouseloc,tRect) into tCorner > switch > case tcorner = "TR" > set the rect of me to item 1 of tRect & "," & item 2 > of the > mouseLoc & "," & item 1 of the mouseLoc & "," & item 4 of tRect > --set the loc of btn "handle" to item 3 of the rect > of me & > "," & item 2 of the rect of me > break > case tcorner = "TL" > set the rect of me to item 1 of the mouseLoc & "," > & item > 2 of the mouseLoc & "," & item 3 of tRect & "," & item 4 of tRect > --set the loc of btn "handle" to item 1 of the rect > of me & > "," & item 2 of the rect of me > break > case tcorner = "BL" > set the rect of me to item 1 of the the mouseLoc & > "," & > item 2 of tRect & "," & item 3 of tRect & "," & item 2 of the > mouseLoc > --set the loc of btn "handle" to item 1 of the rect > of me & > "," & item 4 of the rect of me > break > case tcorner = "BR" > set the rect of me to item 1 of tRect & "," & > item 2 of > tRect & "," & item 1 of the mouseLoc & "," & item 2 of the mouseLoc > --set the loc of btn "handle" to item 3 of the rect > of me & > "," & item 4 of the rect of me > break > end Switch > end repeat > hide btn "handle" > end mouseDown > > function whichCorner mLoc,tRect > switch > case abs(item 2 of mLoc - item 2 of tRect) < 15 and abs(item > 1 of > mLoc - item 3 of tRect) < 15 > return TR > break > case abs(item 1 of mLoc - item 1 of tRect) < 15 and abs(item > 2 of > mLoc - item 2 of tRect) < 15 > return TL > break > case abs(item 1 of mLoc - item 1 of tRect) < 15 and abs(item > 2 of > mLoc - item 4 of tRect) < 15 > return BL > break > case abs(item 1 of mLoc - item 3 of tRect) < 15 and abs(item > 2 of > mLoc - item 4 of tRect) < 15 > return BR > break > end switch > end whichCorner > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Selected-object-boxes-tp2133653p2134197.html > To unsubscribe from Selected object "boxes", click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Selected-object-boxes-tp2133653p2134267.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jmyepes at mac.com Fri May 7 10:34:29 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Datagrid can't not find stack In-Reply-To: <8D6B2DB5-4703-4BB7-86FB-3C2D945E1243@mangomultimedia.com> References: <1273225287372-2133926.post@n4.nabble.com> <8D6B2DB5-4703-4BB7-86FB-3C2D945E1243@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: I don't get any, it's very strange.. apperar the same error Two buttons, "OK" and "Edit Script", if I click on OK, it's OK :) and "Edit Script" also is OK :D Other thing, the stack is created on the fly, cloned from the original, so many instances can be opened. The worst thing is that recovering the data from the db run fine and entered from the user no. It's the same substack with many fields, nothing special... :( Following investigating Salut, Josep El 07/05/2010, a las 14:56, Trevor DeVore [via Runtime Revolution] escribi?: > On May 7, 2010, at 5:41 AM, JosepM wrote: > > > I have a stack with a datagrid that add and delete rows without > > problem. > > Then I open a substack as sheet where the user fill some customer > > data and > > close the substack. Then if I try to add a row to the datagrid... > > "an error > > has ocurred in behavior for the column template: Chunk: can't find > > stack." > > Add a try/catch statement around the code in FillInData or > LayoutControl and then print the error throw to the message box. > > on FillInData ... > try > ... > catch e > put e > end try > end FillInData > > -- > Trevor DeVore > Blue Mango Learning Systems > ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com > Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Datagrid-can-t-not-find-stack-tp2133926p2134119.html > To unsubscribe from Datagrid can't not find stack, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Datagrid-can-t-not-find-stack-tp2133926p2134284.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jmyepes at mac.com Fri May 7 10:52:30 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Datagrid can't not find stack In-Reply-To: <8D6B2DB5-4703-4BB7-86FB-3C2D945E1243@mangomultimedia.com> References: <1273225287372-2133926.post@n4.nabble.com> <8D6B2DB5-4703-4BB7-86FB-3C2D945E1243@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <98EEE165-48F3-41E1-B548-E34EE15C132D@mac.com> Some info.. Error getting rugged id of object pObject = control id 2111 of stack "LMWS" Context = group id 1046 of card id 1002 of stack "revNewScriptEditor 1" of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/4.0.0-gm-1/Toolset/ revscripteditor.rev",updateGutterDo,2237 group id 3333 of group id 1046 of card id 1002 of stack "revNewScriptEditor 1" of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/ 4.0.0-gm-1/Toolset/revscripteditor.rev",update,35 group id 3333 of group id 1046 of card id 1002 of stack "revNewScriptEditor 1" of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/ 4.0.0-gm-1/Toolset/revscripteditor.rev",updateGetContext,94 stack "revNewScriptEditor 1" of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/4.0.0-gm-1/Toolset/revscripteditor.rev",seGetObjectState,731 stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/4.0.0-gm-1/Toolset/ revscripteditor.rev",seGetRuggedId,896 button id 1041 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/4.0.0-gm-1/Toolset/revlibrary.rev",revRuggedId,2671 El 07/05/2010, a las 14:56, Trevor DeVore [via Runtime Revolution] escribi?: > On May 7, 2010, at 5:41 AM, JosepM wrote: > > > I have a stack with a datagrid that add and delete rows without > > problem. > > Then I open a substack as sheet where the user fill some customer > > data and > > close the substack. Then if I try to add a row to the datagrid... > > "an error > > has ocurred in behavior for the column template: Chunk: can't find > > stack." > > Add a try/catch statement around the code in FillInData or > LayoutControl and then print the error throw to the message box. > > on FillInData ... > try > ... > catch e > put e > end try > end FillInData > > -- > Trevor DeVore > Blue Mango Learning Systems > ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com > Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Datagrid-can-t-not-find-stack-tp2133926p2134119.html > To unsubscribe from Datagrid can't not find stack, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Datagrid-can-t-not-find-stack-tp2133926p2134318.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rene.micout at numericable.com Fri May 7 10:53:15 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 16:53:15 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <1273241127589-2134236.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1223542399-1273234686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-235800117-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1847937487-1273236441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2141783687-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1273241127589-2134236.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <74B36627-6902-499B-9995-B39B98ACD47F@numericable.com> I agree with all your post... It is exactly what I think even part about Steve Jobs Bon souvenir de Paris Ren? Le 7 mai 2010 ? 16:05, Robert Mann a ?crit : > > Just.. one more word! > > I happen to have a legal background, my initial idea long time ago was to > set up legal expert systems.. (yes I love lawyers!!). Eventhough lots of > things are purely contractual in the US, there still remains the general > principle in our modern states, that a contract cannot overide some "higher" > rules, like the bill of right in the US which stands clear at the > constitutional level. > > In the Gizmodo case... there was a clear breach of standard laws : it is > straight illegal to buy out a stolen good.. full point. Some guy at some > point has been really dumb and pretentious to rely on the freedom of press > protection. In that case the freedom or press is an inferior right to the > right of ownership. > > In our 3.3.1 case, there would be abolutely no reasonable reason for a judge > to grant Apple the power to check how the hell your Xcode was written except > if... > -- they have proof you jailed a 10 years old genius that you exploit... that > would be illegal. > I think it lies in article 7 oh human rights... (nobody can interfere with > your life unless there is a good reason and to do so..) > > Writing, managing, your xCode librairies in tText (thanks JD) IS NOT > ILLEGAL. Same if you use plugins to auto-update code, or auto generate full > or part of it... this is not illegal. If Apple say so, even if you have > signed, but if you refuse anybody from Apple to come at your home and check, > the judge will have to decide. And your attorneys will object that there is > no reson to authorize this as it would be an unreasonable infringment of > your fundamental freedom... > > And... any provision in an Apple contract saying that this use of a runrev > app somwhere in the line could be challenged at court in view of the yet non > existing, but implied, "freedom of thinking" clause in the bill of right.. > man shall we have to vote that one in???? > > In France many contracts are "OVERULED" by laws that dictacte what clauses > are valid or invalid ab initio, whatever you sign... and this 3.3.1 clause > would not stand a chance in France and Europe. > >> From a technical point of view there cannot be any violation of right.. > where there are no rights! And apple just has not the right to decide how > you think... and has no right to forbid you to copy and paste xcode from a > published source of code that allows it, however "generic" and not original > it is... There are limits to how far in your life a contract can reach. > > Nevertheless, I'm in sympathy with Steve Jobs concern to control the quality > of pieces of software that run on apples machines... !!! > > again the good news is that if flash gets bitten, there maybe be more > opportunities for revWeb plugin and for ON-REV technologie to expand... > don't yu think? > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-exactly-does-runrev-for-ipad-iphone-work-tp2133661p2134236.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Fri May 7 11:40:06 2010 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 16:40:06 +0100 Subject: Accessing data from HID compliant USB device In-Reply-To: <20100507142300.B3421288352@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100507142300.B3421288352@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: On 7 May 2010, at 3:23 pm, Craig Newman wrote: > > > > Wierd. third time this week I am recommending the "Service USB" gadget: > > http://bkohg.com/service_e.html > > Thanks Craig, Fischertechnik? brings back memories of painfully standing barefoot on bits my brother left lying around on the floor. However what I want is the other way round. I have joysticks, and just want to be able to access the HID pages receiving their data. I know they are recognised by the OSs, and know that the data is captured if it is not directed somewhere specific. I just don't understand where, or what means might be used to read it. My guess it is pretty low level stuff, but who knows? Maybe someone has already done something like this in Rev. David G From rene.micout at numericable.com Fri May 7 11:41:46 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 17:41:46 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <1273241127589-2134236.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1223542399-1273234686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-235800117-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1847937487-1273236441-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2141783687-@bda2034.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1273241127589-2134236.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: See Rodeo : http://rodeoapps.com/ Ren? From lists at mangomultimedia.com Fri May 7 11:45:21 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:45:21 -0400 Subject: Datagrid can't not find stack In-Reply-To: <98EEE165-48F3-41E1-B548-E34EE15C132D@mac.com> References: <1273225287372-2133926.post@n4.nabble.com> <8D6B2DB5-4703-4BB7-86FB-3C2D945E1243@mangomultimedia.com> <98EEE165-48F3-41E1-B548-E34EE15C132D@mac.com> Message-ID: <8B92D285-7A75-4835-818B-D7D9F6735F3A@mangomultimedia.com> On May 7, 2010, at 10:52 AM, JosepM wrote: > Error getting rugged id of object > pObject = control id 2111 of stack "LMWS" > Context = group id 1046 of card id 1002 of stack "revNewScriptEditor > 1" of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/4.0.0-gm-1/Toolset/ > revscripteditor.rev",updateGutterDo,2237 > group id 3333 of group id 1046 of card id 1002 of stack > "revNewScriptEditor 1" of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/ > 4.0.0-gm-1/Toolset/revscripteditor.rev",update,35 > group id 3333 of group id 1046 of card id 1002 of stack > "revNewScriptEditor 1" of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/ > 4.0.0-gm-1/Toolset/revscripteditor.rev",updateGetContext,94 > stack "revNewScriptEditor 1" of stack "/Applications/Revolution > Enterprise/4.0.0-gm-1/Toolset/revscripteditor.rev",seGetObjectState, > 731 > stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/4.0.0-gm-1/Toolset/ > revscripteditor.rev",seGetRuggedId,896 > button id 1041 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution > Enterprise/4.0.0-gm-1/Toolset/revlibrary.rev",revRuggedId,2671 The looks like an IDE error rather than an error generated by any of your Data Grid code. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From pmbrig at gmail.com Fri May 7 11:49:52 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:49:52 -0400 Subject: PDF import? In-Reply-To: <4BE41F0D.1090404@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE41F0D.1090404@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: What I want to do is to import a PDF image into a stack as a customprop. I anticipate using this for sensitive documents that will need to be contained within a password-protected stack, and I don't want the files themselves left on the user's disk drive. It looks as if I'll have to store the PDF binary file as a customprop then delete the file, and then when the user wants to access the stored file spit the PDF out to disk on demand for viewing and printing using Preview, then delete the file from disk when done. Is there any other way? Can I print an image from a player control? Or even better, is there a Rev external that will convert PDF files to an importable image? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On May 7, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Peter Brigham MD wrote: > >> I suspect this has been asked and answered before, but is there any >> way to import a PDF file as an image in rev? The import paint command >> doesn't list this as an allowable file type. Please excuse my age- >> related dementia, I seem to recall someone having some way of doing >> this, a library maybe. Or perhaps I'm moving towards the drooling >> stage faster than I thought.... > > It's not age, just experience. :) > > You're absolutely right, there is one way to display PDFs in Rev and > it's very limited: on OS X only you can display PDFs inside of a > player control. This does not work on Windows or Linux, and as you > can imagine has a limited UI (you can't select text, for example, > and the page is rendered scaled within the player without scrollbars > of its own, so you'll need to put it in a group of you bother with > it at all). > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Fri May 7 12:00:37 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:00:37 -0700 Subject: Does this list have a moderator? In-Reply-To: References: <20100507003358.E2A52288873@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Agree with Tom. I think most of us do. But I will say one thing in defense of anyone who was posting along these lines, and that is, all the posts subject lines were marked OT and the subject was clearly indicated. It seems the best way to avoid these threads is simply to delete them. I get through the posts quite quickly each day, as I have a rule that moves them all into their own folder, then I view as threads. If I am not interested in a thread, I delete the whole thread at once. Not to take away anything that Tom says however. Apple has revolutionized the computer industry time and time again, and I for one am thankful for what Steve Jobs has done for Apple, especially considering that many thought Apple was about to fail some years back. Bob On May 6, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > First of all, thank you Tom McGrath - I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said. > > I haven't been using Revolution very long and I'm still at the stage where I rely on this list and the discussion forum to help me. So far it has been a great experience and I haven't been exposed to the opinionated nonsense that I've seen on other lists but this last couple of weeks has been ridiculous. > > If there is a moderator for this list, could he/she please stop this or explain why it is being allowed to continue? > > Until then, I am stopping the emails I get from the list which really irks me because I've had a lot of very valuable advice and help from it. I'll switch it on in a week or so and hope that things get back on topic again. > > Pete Haworth > > > On May 6, 2010, at 5:33 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 17:01:30 -0400 >> From: Thomas McGrath III >> Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? >> To: How to use Revolution >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> I'm am really getting so sick of listening to this crap. Please go join some APPLE hating, Steve Jobs hating list. WILL YOU PLEASE. >> >> It's getting to be too much, staying out of this freaking rhetoric when the comments go down this direction. What with the Hitler references and EVIL comments and BLAH BLAH BLAH........ >> >> I use a CROSS-PLATFORM tool call RunRev and I think this has gone far beyond what I am willing to put up with. We have Macintosh developers and Windows developers and Linux developers and soon we are going to have Google developers and Maemo developers. We here on this list need to set an example of true cross-platform respect towards each others platform of choice. >> >> PLEASE STOP USING OUR USE REVOLUTION LIST TO ATTACK AND DEFAME AND AIR YOUR PERSONAL VENDETTAS. >> >> I don't care it you hate Apple. I don't care if you like _______ better. I don't care if you don't like Steve Jobs. I don't care if you think it's wrong. I don't care what your damn opinions are. >> >> JUST STOP >> >> Tom McGrath > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 7 12:06:06 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> Message-ID: <1273248366627-2134443.post@n4.nabble.com> Rene, you are asking the wrong question probably. Suppose you find some way to bypass the technical legal wording of the restriction. It is not going to help. You are dealing with a policy which is backed up by the power of Apple to reject any app, or any developer, for any, or for no, reason. So, find a way around it legally, use it, then get caught due to some coding change in the tools that you should be using, in their view, which leaves a signature, which your app now does not have, and you get banned. So your investment is up in smoke. It is not going to work. As long as Apple has the mechanism of the App store, and control over the tools that it wants used, it can lay traps. And remember, Apple does not care how many false positives it generates. It just tells you to go away, and you're out. The smart thing to do is respect their policy. As Richard says, that is unfortunately going to mean the policy that is in effect at this particular hour and day. If it changes tomorrow, well, get ready to respect that one too. This is what causes, and is maybe designed to cause, the pinch for small businesses. Either you are in the camp, and you follow the rules, and you become sort of part of an Apple extended family, and you put in all the effort it takes to keep up, or you are out. I know organic farmers in the UK who refuse to supply supermarkets. Yes, they can sell a lot of stuff to them. But they don't want to be owned by one. So they take lower margins and greater uncertainty and sell through a variety of channels. In the end, they feel, its safer and more sustainable than having the markets always make you offers you cannot refuse. Jerry may be right, joining Apple may be the profitable choice. I don't know. But what's clear is, if you are going to be in, you have to play by the rules. There is no way around this one, as long as the App Store is the bottleneck. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-exactly-does-runrev-for-ipad-iphone-work-tp2133661p2134443.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bobs at twft.com Fri May 7 12:27:27 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:27:27 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <1273248366627-2134443.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1273248366627-2134443.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <6DB7FDD0-0781-499E-9673-295EE5923204@twft.com> I just think that I would rather have an iPhone that is reliable and secure, than one I cannot be sure about because I downloaded something that is buggy or has a hidden exploit. What if in the initial stages of the iPhone, people were writing apps helter skelter that were unstable? How many support calls would Apple have gotten? What kind of bad rap would Apple have gotten for their "unstable insecure mobile device?" I can see the headlines: "Apple's iPhone just like the rest!" "Will the iPhone be just another Windows Update nightmare?" I think if that had been the case, people would be complaining much more loudly, only their complaint would have been, "Apple has the resources. They should have been able to do something about this mess!" Well they did do something about it right out of the gate. Consider how many more sales of these custom apps made by small developers happened, because the weight of Apple's quality control was behind it? People freely purchase and download apps without any fear at all about stability and security BECAUSE of Apple's app store model. How much more profitable have developers been because of that confidence? In the past people only purchased from established developers and vendors (and paid good money for it too) because that was their way of ensuring stability and security in what they got. Apple has provided a way that a simple toad like me, who has a good idea for an app can either bless the world with my genius, or else make a little cash on the side. Everything is give and take. You give up convenience for security and stability. That is the bargain to be struck. For those who don't like it, don't make the bargain. And haven't we always had rules to play by? The difference here is that the rules are strictly enforced, and IMHO rightly so, because a mobile computing device that is also a phone that also has bluetooth and wireless could be conceivably be turned into a traveling pandemic infecting every computer it could exploit. And as far as the Flash thing, personally I am happy our children cannot easily view porn at will on their iPhones. It's the old tradeoff again, but this time it's a bit of freedom for security. Bob On May 7, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > Jerry may be right, joining Apple may be the profitable choice. I don't > know. But what's clear is, if you are going to be in, you have to play by > the rules. There is no way around this one, as long as the App Store is the > bottleneck. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri May 7 12:40:45 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:40:45 -0700 Subject: PDF import? In-Reply-To: References: <4BE41F0D.1090404@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Not really. We are probably doing the things that "other" apps do - we just don't see it. Similarly, we can't do things like play audio from a variable - not sure why but it may be that there always has to be some kind of file to be a buffer for the audio to stream properly without glitches. You should check out , if you haven't already, the tempName it's a prefab unique name provided for this purpose. It's an address that is deep within libraries and will be automatically purged at some point in the future. You can use temporary files to store intermediate data, downloaded URLs, and other material that is more conveniently placed in a file but does not need to be saved permanently. * **Using the **tempName** function does not create the file, only gets a suggested file name. Use the open file command to create the file.* * **The file name returned by the **tempName** function is one that doesn't exist, so you can use it safely. If you need to create another file, use the **tempName** function again to obtain a new file name.* * *The location of the temporary files depends on the operating system. Each operating system provides its own location for temporary files. On 7 May 2010 08:49, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > What I want to do is to import a PDF image into a stack as a customprop. I > anticipate using this for sensitive documents that will need to be contained > within a password-protected stack, and I don't want the files themselves > left on the user's disk drive. It looks as if I'll have to store the PDF > binary file as a customprop then delete the file, and then when the user > wants to access the stored file spit the PDF out to disk on demand for > viewing and printing using Preview, then delete the file from disk when > done. Is there any other way? Can I print an image from a player control? Or > even better, is there a Rev external that will convert PDF files to an > importable image? > > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > On May 7, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Peter Brigham MD wrote: >> >> I suspect this has been asked and answered before, but is there any >>> way to import a PDF file as an image in rev? The import paint command >>> doesn't list this as an allowable file type. Please excuse my age- >>> related dementia, I seem to recall someone having some way of doing >>> this, a library maybe. Or perhaps I'm moving towards the drooling >>> stage faster than I thought.... >>> >> >> It's not age, just experience. :) >> >> You're absolutely right, there is one way to display PDFs in Rev and it's >> very limited: on OS X only you can display PDFs inside of a player control. >> This does not work on Windows or Linux, and as you can imagine has a >> limited UI (you can't select text, for example, and the page is rendered >> scaled within the player without scrollbars of its own, so you'll need to >> put it in a group of you bother with it at all). >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World >> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com >> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From chipp at altuit.com Fri May 7 13:27:28 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:27:28 -0500 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <6DB7FDD0-0781-499E-9673-295EE5923204@twft.com> References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1273248366627-2134443.post@n4.nabble.com> <6DB7FDD0-0781-499E-9673-295EE5923204@twft.com> Message-ID: <564420A1-E353-40F1-9E01-7499CC467BD9@altuit.com> Bob, I'm not so sure about the whole "AppStore will keep you safe all the time" thing. Consider this poor schlep who download iDisplay from the AppStore and it ended up wiping out his computer: http://justanotheripadblog.com/ipad-app-reviews/quick-look-idisplay-for-ipad Just one case out of many. And I really hope you aren't serious about your kids not being able to access porn from your iPhone. Steve was disingenuous when he commented, "if you want to use porn, get an Android," You or your kids can access porn from your iPhone just like the rest of the world, through the browser. I have know idea what you're referring to by mentioning Flash in conjunction to porn. Flash is not porn. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 7, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I just think that I would rather have an iPhone that is reliable and secure, than one I cannot be sure about because I downloaded something that is buggy or has a hidden exploit. What if in the initial stages of the iPhone, people were writing apps helter skelter that were unstable? How many support calls would Apple have gotten? What kind of bad rap would Apple have gotten for their "unstable insecure mobile device?" I can see the headlines: "Apple's iPhone just like the rest!" "Will the iPhone be just another Windows Update nightmare?" > > I think if that had been the case, people would be complaining much more loudly, only their complaint would have been, "Apple has the resources. They should have been able to do something about this mess!" Well they did do something about it right out of the gate. Consider how many more sales of these custom apps made by small developers happened, because the weight of Apple's quality control was behind it? People freely purchase and download apps without any fear at all about stability and security BECAUSE of Apple's app store model. How much more profitable have developers been because of that confidence? > > In the past people only purchased from established developers and vendors (and paid good money for it too) because that was their way of ensuring stability and security in what they got. Apple has provided a way that a simple toad like me, who has a good idea for an app can either bless the world with my genius, or else make a little cash on the side. > > Everything is give and take. You give up convenience for security and stability. That is the bargain to be struck. For those who don't like it, don't make the bargain. And haven't we always had rules to play by? The difference here is that the rules are strictly enforced, and IMHO rightly so, because a mobile computing device that is also a phone that also has bluetooth and wireless could be conceivably be turned into a traveling pandemic infecting every computer it could exploit. > > And as far as the Flash thing, personally I am happy our children cannot easily view porn at will on their iPhones. It's the old tradeoff again, but this time it's a bit of freedom for security. > > Bob From rene.micout at numericable.com Fri May 7 13:27:46 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 19:27:46 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <1273248366627-2134443.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1273248366627-2134443.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <96D9AFDE-05BB-440D-8795-58E10922FDFD@numericable.com> Peter, Yes, I understand for all developpers who want to distribute inside the AppStore. It is not my case... I said that few weeks ago. I create tools for me, and I want create tools on iPad witch is, I think, a fabulous thing... I understand also that RunRev don't invest only for people like me, we are not numerous enough... This is my problem... or not... Bon souvenir de Paris Ren? Le 7 mai 2010 ? 18:06, Peter Alcibiades a ?crit : > > Rene, you are asking the wrong question probably. Suppose you find some way > to bypass the technical legal wording of the restriction. It is not going > to help. You are dealing with a policy which is backed up by the power of > Apple to reject any app, or any developer, for any, or for no, reason. > > So, find a way around it legally, use it, then get caught due to some coding > change in the tools that you should be using, in their view, which leaves a > signature, which your app now does not have, and you get banned. So your > investment is up in smoke. > > It is not going to work. As long as Apple has the mechanism of the App > store, and control over the tools that it wants used, it can lay traps. And > remember, Apple does not care how many false positives it generates. It > just tells you to go away, and you're out. > > The smart thing to do is respect their policy. As Richard says, that is > unfortunately going to mean the policy that is in effect at this particular > hour and day. If it changes tomorrow, well, get ready to respect that one > too. > > This is what causes, and is maybe designed to cause, the pinch for small > businesses. Either you are in the camp, and you follow the rules, and you > become sort of part of an Apple extended family, and you put in all the > effort it takes to keep up, or you are out. > > I know organic farmers in the UK who refuse to supply supermarkets. Yes, > they can sell a lot of stuff to them. But they don't want to be owned by > one. So they take lower margins and greater uncertainty and sell through a > variety of channels. In the end, they feel, its safer and more sustainable > than having the markets always make you offers you cannot refuse. > > Jerry may be right, joining Apple may be the profitable choice. I don't > know. But what's clear is, if you are going to be in, you have to play by > the rules. There is no way around this one, as long as the App Store is the > bottleneck. > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-exactly-does-runrev-for-ipad-iphone-work-tp2133661p2134443.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Fri May 7 13:29:41 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 19:29:41 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <6DB7FDD0-0781-499E-9673-295EE5923204@twft.com> References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1273248366627-2134443.post@n4.nabble.com> <6DB7FDD0-0781-499E-9673-295EE5923204@twft.com> Message-ID: <03500263-B75B-4649-8459-AF82B861354C@numericable.com> YES ! Le 7 mai 2010 ? 18:27, Bob Sneidar a ?crit : > I just think that I would rather have an iPhone that is reliable and secure, than one I cannot be sure about because I downloaded something that is buggy or has a hidden exploit. What if in the initial stages of the iPhone, people were writing apps helter skelter that were unstable? How many support calls would Apple have gotten? What kind of bad rap would Apple have gotten for their "unstable insecure mobile device?" I can see the headlines: "Apple's iPhone just like the rest!" "Will the iPhone be just another Windows Update nightmare?" > > I think if that had been the case, people would be complaining much more loudly, only their complaint would have been, "Apple has the resources. They should have been able to do something about this mess!" Well they did do something about it right out of the gate. Consider how many more sales of these custom apps made by small developers happened, because the weight of Apple's quality control was behind it? People freely purchase and download apps without any fear at all about stability and security BECAUSE of Apple's app store model. How much more profitable have developers been because of that confidence? > > In the past people only purchased from established developers and vendors (and paid good money for it too) because that was their way of ensuring stability and security in what they got. Apple has provided a way that a simple toad like me, who has a good idea for an app can either bless the world with my genius, or else make a little cash on the side. > > Everything is give and take. You give up convenience for security and stability. That is the bargain to be struck. For those who don't like it, don't make the bargain. And haven't we always had rules to play by? The difference here is that the rules are strictly enforced, and IMHO rightly so, because a mobile computing device that is also a phone that also has bluetooth and wireless could be conceivably be turned into a traveling pandemic infecting every computer it could exploit. > > And as far as the Flash thing, personally I am happy our children cannot easily view porn at will on their iPhones. It's the old tradeoff again, but this time it's a bit of freedom for security. > > Bob > > > On May 7, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > >> Jerry may be right, joining Apple may be the profitable choice. I don't >> know. But what's clear is, if you are going to be in, you have to play by >> the rules. There is no way around this one, as long as the App Store is the >> bottleneck. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From martyknapp at comcast.net Fri May 7 14:01:03 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 11:01:03 -0700 Subject: Printing Resized PNGs In-Reply-To: References: <20100507142300.B3421288352@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4BE4555F.3000304@comcast.net> When I print a resized PNG image that has transparency (resizeQuality set to best after import, then resized) it is noticeably inferior to a resized PNG without transparency -- does that jive with others' experiences? If this is the case, is there anything I can do about it? The images I'm printing are usually from 1/2" to 1" square. Thanks, Marty Knapp From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Fri May 7 14:16:30 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 20:16:30 +0200 Subject: Does this list have a moderator? In-Reply-To: References: <20100507003358.E2A52288873@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Le 7 mai 10 ? 18:00, Bob Sneidar a ?crit : > Agree with Tom. I think most of us do. But I will say one thing in > defense of anyone who was posting along these lines, and that is, > all the posts subject lines were marked OT I did not noticed that here! might be the french version of mail suppresses "OT" ;-o))) Andr? > and the subject was clearly indicated It seems the best way to avoid > these threads is simply to delete them. I get through the posts > quite quickly each day, as I have a rule that moves them all into > their own folder, then I view as threads. If I am not interested in > a thread, I delete the whole thread at once. > > Not to take away anything that Tom says however. Apple has > revolutionized the computer industry time and time again, and I for > one am thankful for what Steve Jobs has done for Apple, especially > considering that many thought Apple was about to fail some years back. > > Bob > > > On May 6, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> First of all, thank you Tom McGrath - I wholeheartedly agree with >> everything you said. >> >> I haven't been using Revolution very long and I'm still at the >> stage where I rely on this list and the discussion forum to help >> me. So far it has been a great experience and I haven't been >> exposed to the opinionated nonsense that I've seen on other lists >> but this last couple of weeks has been ridiculous. >> >> If there is a moderator for this list, could he/she please stop >> this or explain why it is being allowed to continue? >> >> Until then, I am stopping the emails I get from the list which >> really irks me because I've had a lot of very valuable advice and >> help from it. I'll switch it on in a week or so and hope that >> things get back on topic again. >> >> Pete Haworth >> >> >> On May 6, 2010, at 5:33 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com >> wrote: >> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 17:01:30 -0400 >>> From: Thomas McGrath III >>> Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? >>> To: How to use Revolution >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> I'm am really getting so sick of listening to this crap. Please go >>> join some APPLE hating, Steve Jobs hating list. WILL YOU PLEASE. >>> >>> It's getting to be too much, staying out of this freaking rhetoric >>> when the comments go down this direction. What with the Hitler >>> references and EVIL comments and BLAH BLAH BLAH........ >>> >>> I use a CROSS-PLATFORM tool call RunRev and I think this has gone >>> far beyond what I am willing to put up with. We have Macintosh >>> developers and Windows developers and Linux developers and soon we >>> are going to have Google developers and Maemo developers. We here >>> on this list need to set an example of true cross-platform respect >>> towards each others platform of choice. >>> >>> PLEASE STOP USING OUR USE REVOLUTION LIST TO ATTACK AND DEFAME AND >>> AIR YOUR PERSONAL VENDETTAS. >>> >>> I don't care it you hate Apple. I don't care if you like _______ >>> better. I don't care if you don't like Steve Jobs. I don't care if >>> you think it's wrong. I don't care what your damn opinions are. >>> >>> JUST STOP >>> >>> Tom McGrath >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jmyepes at mac.com Fri May 7 14:24:58 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Datagrid can't not find stack In-Reply-To: References: <1273225287372-2133926.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1273256698730-2135496.post@n4.nabble.com> Bonjour Andre, Bonjour, Thanks a lot Joseph for this post, very relevant to this list named "HOW to use Revolution", among an ocean of "OT"! :-)) :-D I just created 1 - a stack "TrialJosep" a data grid on it named "dgjosep" with 2 columns : "name" and "forename" and a button whose script is " topLevel stack "pickTheData" 2 - a substack "pickTheData" on it 2 fields : one to enter a name the other to enter a forename and a button "OK" whose script is : on mouseUp local tInfo, ------- put fld "fldName" & tab & fld "fldForeName" into tInfo put tInfo close this stack dispatch "addLine" to grp "dgJosep" of cd 1 of stack "TrialJosep" with tInfo end mouseUp Code from the Button on the main stack that open the substack. In the substack only I have some fields that are as I said filled manually or from the database. on mouseup go stack ss_newcustomer of stack "s_document" as sheet set itemdel to tab put item 1 of dialogdata into tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_NAME"] put item 2 of dialogdata into tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_TAXNUMBER"] put item 3 of dialogdata into tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_ADDRESS"] put item 4 of dialogdata into tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_ZIPCODE"] put item 5 of dialogdata into tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_CITY"] put item 6 of dialogdata into tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_STATE"] put item 7 of dialogdata into tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_COUNTRY"] ## Rellenar los datos del cliente, numero documento y fecha put empty into fld lbl_datos_cliente put tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_NAME"] & return after fld lbl_datos_cliente put tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_TAXNUMBER"] & return & return after fld lbl_datos_cliente put tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_ADDRESS"] & return after fld lbl_datos_cliente put tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_ZIPCODE"] && tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_CITY"] & return after fld lbl_datos_cliente put "(" & tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_STATE"] & ")" after fld lbl_datos_cliente end mouseup Then from the main stack. I have two buttons, one to add and other to delete rows from the datagrid. It's here when I try to add a row the error occur. Button add: on mouseUp put the dgNumberOfLines of group "dg_lineas" of this stack into tFilas if tFilas<10 then put "0" & tFilas+1 into tLinea else put tFilas+1 into tLinea end if dispatch "addLine" to group "dg_lineas" of this stack with tLinea dispatch "ResetList" to group "dg_lineas" of this stack end mouseUp I don't see where can fail... :( Seems working well here (I hope I have correctly understood your problem?) If yes, might be "close this stack" before adding the line is important Button "OK" from the substack on mouseUp put fld f_NOMBRE & tab & fld f_NIF & tab & fld f_DIRECCION & tab & fld f_CP & tab & fld f_POBLACION & tab & fld f_PROVINCIA & tab & fld f_PAIS into tDatosCliente set the dialogdata to tDatosCliente close this stack end mouseUp Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Datagrid-can-t-not-find-stack-tp2133926p2135496.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From randall at randallreetz.com Fri May 7 14:38:05 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:38:05 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <20100507183807.GTAI24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Thank you robert. Now anyone want to discuss the advantages, disadvantages, and technical feasibility of rev outputting C source. Lets start with the fact that the best compilers are written for C. That these compilers are industry standards and that it could be argued, the epicenter of computing. I think xtalk is a more human environment for the writing of logic, and that C is that same thing for computers them selves. A match made in heaven! Create in rev, test, prototype, deploy in casual situations, and then when everything is ready for the big leagues (or when nothing else is possible) export C source (customized as per target platform). At this point, pay runrev what their efforts are worth... A lot! Enter into an equity sharing contract or pay a big publishing fee. Everyone is happy. Randall -----Original Message----- From: Robert Mann Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 5:21 AM To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Man.. let us read... 3.3.1 ? Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). Let's start reading ... A few definitions : API's - is an interface implemented by a software program which enables it to interact with other software (same language or foreign languages). PLease note that the 3.3.1 DOES NOT state documented API by Apple!! and refers to PRiVATE APIs. Litterally speaking PUBLIC APIs like google maps etc.. do not fall in!! There are some feras expressed that an expanded interpretation of this clause would embrace all forms of organized libraires writen in C or C++ that could be incorporated by a programmer to better structure his program. I cannot see how this interpretation can hold. As well as I cannot understand the fuss about "ORIGINALLY WRITTEN in c.." because this is unenforceable legally... I guess that "Originally written" in Steve's mind means in that context "hand" written, not just output by a machine... But, from a legal point of view nobody can restrain the way you think, work, produce your code. Steve cannot forbid the use of any form or helping tool, 3rd party documentation, copying/pasting of functions from here or there, or software robot, intermediate layer, provided it delivers some x code : nobody can restrain this freedom. The copyright law protects only the materialization of ideas, never the ideas themselves, nor the processes, not the methods. And programming has been clearly associated to writing. So nobody (even Stevie..) can (LEGALLY - ei enforceable in court) dictate how the hell you produce your damned x Code libraries. So I support the argument that the only way that "originally written in c" can be interpreted is "at some stage materially visible and editable in C or C++ in the XCode environment" whatever steps have occured before, as these prior steps are immaterial. The limit would be if for instance revMobile produced X Code in two parts : a) the actual stack application code and b) alongside a set of home made runrev librarires writen in C or C++ that would be neccessary, part A) calling part b). My conviction is that even in that situation, a legal action by Apple would not succeed on the ground of 3.3.1. But I guess anyhow Apple has a full discretionnary power to allow apps or not in their APP store, SO FAR, so yes they could easily tell "your app uses a set of runrev libraries we de not like.. It is likely you use runrev as a production tool and we do not like it.. be bye!" Or tell you nothing, just NO! But I cannot see "them" as plain evil, just like that. They seem to have plans for the future and have reasons to enforce the c++ or c and Xcode compiler. But they do not seem to have any interest to go further than that From randall at randallreetz.com Fri May 7 14:44:18 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:44:18 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <20100507184420.HFSJ24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> What about that, can apple control apps written for one's own use? For limited in-house distribution and deployment? What about free apps? What about for-profit sales but with no need for the app store? -----Original Message----- From: Ren? Micout Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:27 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Peter, Yes, I understand for all developpers who want to distribute inside the AppStore. It is not my case... I said that few weeks ago. I create tools for me, and I want create tools on iPad witch is, I think, a fabulous thing... I understand also that RunRev don't invest only for people like me, we are not numerous enough... This is my problem... or not... Bon souvenir de Paris Ren? Le 7 mai 2010 ? 18:06, Peter Alcibiades a ?crit : > > Rene, you are asking the wrong question probably. Suppose you find some way > to bypass the technical legal wording of the restriction. It is not going > to help. You are dealing with a policy which is backed up by the power of > Apple to reject any app, or any developer, for any, or for no, reason. > > So, find a way around it legally, use it, then get caught due to some coding > change in the tools that you should be using, in their view, which leaves a > signature, which your app now does not have, and you get banned. So your > investment is up in smoke. > > It is not going to work. As long as Apple has the mechanism of the App > store, and control over the tools that it wants used, it can lay traps. And > remember, Apple does not care how many false positives it generates. It > just tells you to go away, and you're out. > > The smart thing to do is respect their policy. As Richard says, that is > unfortunately going to mean the policy that is in effect at this particular > hour and day. If it changes tomorrow, well, get ready to respect that one > too. > > This is what causes, and is maybe designed to cause, the pinch for small > businesses. Either you are in the camp, and you follow the rules, and you > become sort of part of an Apple extended family, and you put in all the > effort it takes to keep up, or you are out. > > I know organic farmers in the UK who refuse to supply supermarkets. Yes, > they can sell a lot of stuff to them. But they don't want to be owned by > one. So they take lower margins and greater uncertainty and sell through a > variety of channels. In the end, they feel, its safer and more sustainable > than having the markets always make you offers you cannot refuse. > > Jerry may be right, joining Apple may be the profitable choice. I don't > know. But what's clear is, if you are going to be in, you have to play by > the rules. There is no way around this one, as long as the App Store is the > bottleneck. > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-exactly-does-runrev-for-ipad-iphone-work-tp2133661p2134443.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri May 7 14:46:12 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 13:46:12 -0500 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <20100507183807.GTAI24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100507183807.GTAI24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4BE45FF4.2000107@hyperactivesw.com> Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Thank you robert. > > Now anyone want to discuss the advantages, disadvantages, and > technical feasibility of rev outputting C source. No. Let's just stop and wait for RR to respond. There's nothing we can do here. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From randall at randallreetz.com Fri May 7 15:08:11 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:08:11 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <20100507190813.PHRI22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> Actually, there is a lot we ca do... I like many have felt isolated by my choices. I chose xtalk because it is human. That choice has its share of negative fallout. So I am motivated to advocate a more open publishing option from xtalk to the world's devices and platforms. At this stage of flux (apple induced) there is impetus and leeway to rethink the whole scheme. I, as a consumer relish the chance to debate demand and options. -----Original Message----- From: J. Landman Gay Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 11:46 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Thank you robert. > > Now anyone want to discuss the advantages, disadvantages, and > technical feasibility of rev outputting C source. No. Let's just stop and wait for RR to respond. There's nothing we can do here. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bill at fmpsolutions.com Fri May 7 15:14:54 2010 From: bill at fmpsolutions.com (William Roger Moseid) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:14:54 -0700 Subject: PDF import? Message-ID: <29665604C6DA4C118288C88904A5EB1F@BillPC> Regarding diplaying PDF file in Rev: On Win, using the Rev Browser Demo, I entered the following string into the browser address field: file:///Users/williammoseid/Documents/About%20Stacks.pdf This 1 page pdf was displayed in the browser with all scroll, etc. controls visable and working Then entered this string into the browser address field: file:///Userswilliammoseid/Documents/Amazing%20FusionCharts%201.pdf This 36 page pdf displayed in the browser with all scroll, etc. controls visable and working the swf file located on page 3, ran perfectly. On Mac, using the Rev Browser Demo, entered the following string into the browser address field: file:///Users/williammoseid/Documents/About%20Stacks.pdf The 1 page pdf was displayed in the browser with all scroll, etc. controls visable and working Then entered this string into the browser address field: file:///Userswilliammoseid/Documents/Amazing%20FusionCharts%201.pdf The 36 page pdf displayed in the browser with all scroll, etc. controls were visable and working inculding a swf file located on page 3 which sort of ran. This swf takes about 10 seconds to run. By clicking in the page margin after 10 seconds I could see the rendered swf. By clicking in the page margin, every few seconds or so, a portion of the rendering appeared until after a number of mouse clicks the rendered swf appeared. However mouse over various buttons in the rendered swf would not show the "ToolTips" compared to the Win Rev Browser Demo where the swf rendered as expected and all buttons which had "ToolTips" displayed perfectly as well as the "Replay" button would rerender the swf. The Mac issue is as Jacqueline reported earlier "I can reproduce that. It seems to be a focus issue." This has been reported as Bug 8740. So the Rev Browser Demo appears to provide one way to "show" pdfs in Rev Best, William Roger Moseid From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Fri May 7 15:18:24 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 21:18:24 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <20100507190813.PHRI22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100507190813.PHRI22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: Randall! Maybe, but please not on this list anymore until Runrevs response on Monday. Thank you very much! Matthias Am 07.05.2010 um 21:08 schrieb Randall Lee Reetz: > Actually, there is a lot we ca do... I like many have felt isolated by my choices. I chose xtalk because it is human. That choice has its share of negative fallout. So I am motivated to advocate a more open publishing option from xtalk to the world's devices and platforms. At this stage of flux (apple induced) there is impetus and leeway to rethink the whole scheme. I, as a consumer relish the chance to debate demand and options. > > -----Original Message----- > From: J. Landman Gay > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 11:46 AM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? > > Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >> Thank you robert. >> >> Now anyone want to discuss the advantages, disadvantages, and >> technical feasibility of rev outputting C source. > > No. Let's just stop and wait for RR to respond. There's nothing we can > do here. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri May 7 15:39:45 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 14:39:45 -0500 Subject: Printing Resized PNGs In-Reply-To: <4BE4555F.3000304@comcast.net> References: <20100507142300.B3421288352@mail.runrev.com> <4BE4555F.3000304@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BE46C81.3050204@hyperactivesw.com> Marty Knapp wrote: > When I print a resized PNG image that has transparency (resizeQuality > set to best after import, then resized) it is noticeably inferior to a > resized PNG without transparency -- does that jive with others' > experiences? If this is the case, is there anything I can do about it? > The images I'm printing are usually from 1/2" to 1" square. I think you're running into the same issue as printing images with inks. You'll get a screen shot. Transparency is a type of ink. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From martyknapp at comcast.net Fri May 7 16:07:47 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 13:07:47 -0700 Subject: Printing Resized PNGs In-Reply-To: <4BE46C81.3050204@hyperactivesw.com> References: <20100507142300.B3421288352@mail.runrev.com> <4BE4555F.3000304@comcast.net> <4BE46C81.3050204@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BE47313.3000405@comcast.net> Even though the transparency is set in Photoshop? OK - I'm batting 0 here! I'll just tell my clients to use only JPEGs and non-transparent PNGs. Maybe in the next version of Rev . . . Thanks, Marty > Marty Knapp wrote: >> When I print a resized PNG image that has transparency (resizeQuality >> set to best after import, then resized) it is noticeably inferior to >> a resized PNG without transparency -- does that jive with others' >> experiences? If this is the case, is there anything I can do about >> it? The images I'm printing are usually from 1/2" to 1" square. > > I think you're running into the same issue as printing images with > inks. You'll get a screen shot. Transparency is a type of ink. > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri May 7 16:21:54 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 15:21:54 -0500 Subject: Printing Resized PNGs In-Reply-To: <4BE47313.3000405@comcast.net> References: <20100507142300.B3421288352@mail.runrev.com> <4BE4555F.3000304@comcast.net> <4BE46C81.3050204@hyperactivesw.com> <4BE47313.3000405@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BE47662.1060303@hyperactivesw.com> Marty Knapp wrote: > Even though the transparency is set in Photoshop? OK - I'm batting 0 > here! I'll just tell my clients to use only JPEGs and non-transparent > PNGs. Maybe in the next version of Rev . . . I found the reference I was looking for before, which is in the engine change log for Rev version 3.0: Printing ~~~~~~~~ Any printed content that can not be rendered by the native OS printing system is now rasterized at a higher resolution before being sent to the printer as a bitmap. This means that any printouts containing gradients, transparency or scaled images look much better. So apparently it would have been even worse before...and it's dependent on the OS print drivers. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From randall at randallreetz.com Fri May 7 16:40:59 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:40:59 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <20100507204101.BFZK15350.schemailmta07.cingularme.com@Inbox> Which of you are runrev stakeholders? Cause the this discussion seems important. To both the product and the market for runrev. -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Rebbe Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 12:18 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Randall! Maybe, but please not on this list anymore until Runrevs response on Monday. Thank you very much! Matthias Am 07.05.2010 um 21:08 schrieb Randall Lee Reetz: > Actually, there is a lot we ca do... I like many have felt isolated by my choices. I chose xtalk because it is human. That choice has its share of negative fallout. So I am motivated to advocate a more open publishing option from xtalk to the world's devices and platforms. At this stage of flux (apple induced) there is impetus and leeway to rethink the whole scheme. I, as a consumer relish the chance to debate demand and options. > > -----Original Message----- > From: J. Landman Gay > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 11:46 AM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? > > Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >> Thank you robert. >> >> Now anyone want to discuss the advantages, disadvantages, and >> technical feasibility of rev outputting C source. > > No. Let's just stop and wait for RR to respond. There's nothing we can > do here. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Fri May 7 16:48:08 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:48:08 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Message-ID: <20100507204811.YCOK22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> When should we voice our opinions and desires, work through the issues facing this market... after runrev has announced its product architecture? That seems a little Jobs-sonian and backwards. -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Rebbe Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 12:18 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? Randall! Maybe, but please not on this list anymore until Runrevs response on Monday. Thank you very much! Matthias Am 07.05.2010 um 21:08 schrieb Randall Lee Reetz: > Actually, there is a lot we ca do... I like many have felt isolated by my choices. I chose xtalk because it is human. That choice has its share of negative fallout. So I am motivated to advocate a more open publishing option from xtalk to the world's devices and platforms. At this stage of flux (apple induced) there is impetus and leeway to rethink the whole scheme. I, as a consumer relish the chance to debate demand and options. > > -----Original Message----- > From: J. Landman Gay > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 11:46 AM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? > > Randall Lee Reetz wrote: >> Thank you robert. >> >> Now anyone want to discuss the advantages, disadvantages, and >> technical feasibility of rev outputting C source. > > No. Let's just stop and wait for RR to respond. There's nothing we can > do here. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From martyknapp at comcast.net Fri May 7 16:55:53 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 13:55:53 -0700 Subject: Printing Resized PNGs In-Reply-To: <4BE47662.1060303@hyperactivesw.com> References: <20100507142300.B3421288352@mail.runrev.com> <4BE4555F.3000304@comcast.net> <4BE46C81.3050204@hyperactivesw.com> <4BE47313.3000405@comcast.net> <4BE47662.1060303@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BE47E59.1030901@comcast.net> Thanks Jacque, I did get some improvement when I realized that I needed to set the resizeQuality to Best after importing an image, but before any resizing. Before I had simply set the quality of my placeholder image to Best. Still JPEGs and non-transparent PNGs print best. BTW I'm printing to a laser printer - haven't tried much printing to an inkjet yet. Marty > Marty Knapp wrote: >> Even though the transparency is set in Photoshop? OK - I'm batting 0 >> here! I'll just tell my clients to use only JPEGs and non-transparent >> PNGs. Maybe in the next version of Rev . . . > > I found the reference I was looking for before, which is in the engine > change log for Rev version 3.0: > > Printing > ~~~~~~~~ > Any printed content that can not be rendered by the native OS > printing system is now rasterized at a higher resolution before being > sent to the printer as a bitmap. This means that any printouts > containing gradients, transparency or scaled images look much better. > > > So apparently it would have been even worse before...and it's > dependent on the OS print drivers. > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri May 7 18:15:45 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:15:45 +1000 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos Message-ID: Hi List, I am really excited about a new development initiative started by Jerry Daniels of tRev fame. Like many of you, Jerry & I want to develop for the iPad, but we don't want the hassle of dealing with the App Store and we don't want to struggle with Objective-C. So it looks like web apps are a possible solution, but that requires learning so many technologies: HTML, CSS, Javascript etc. So what is the answer? Rodeo! Go to http://rodeoapps.com/ and check out the three introductory videos. And if you still don't have tRev, run to http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch Cheers, Sarah From steve at flavel.cc Fri May 7 18:35:21 2010 From: steve at flavel.cc (Steve Flavel) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 06:35:21 +0800 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F29EC4D-569A-4895-A643-032B10181097@flavel.cc> Hi Sarah This sounds promising. Can I give you a call? Steve Flavel On 08/05/2010, at 6:15 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > Hi List, > > I am really excited about a new development initiative started by > Jerry Daniels of tRev fame. > > Like many of you, Jerry & I want to develop for the iPad, but we don't > want the hassle of dealing with the App Store and we don't want to > struggle with Objective-C. So it looks like web apps are a possible > solution, but that requires learning so many technologies: HTML, CSS, > Javascript etc. > > So what is the answer? Rodeo! > > Go to http://rodeoapps.com/ and check out the three introductory videos. > > And if you still don't have tRev, run to http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Fri May 7 18:44:42 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 00:44:42 +0200 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes I have seen, but I don't understand... !? :-( Ren? Le 8 mai 2010 ? 00:15, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit : > Hi List, > > I am really excited about a new development initiative started by > Jerry Daniels of tRev fame. > > Like many of you, Jerry & I want to develop for the iPad, but we don't > want the hassle of dealing with the App Store and we don't want to > struggle with Objective-C. So it looks like web apps are a possible > solution, but that requires learning so many technologies: HTML, CSS, > Javascript etc. > > So what is the answer? Rodeo! > > Go to http://rodeoapps.com/ and check out the three introductory videos. > > And if you still don't have tRev, run to http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bill at fmpsolutions.com Fri May 7 15:14:54 2010 From: bill at fmpsolutions.com (William Roger Moseid) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 12:14:54 -0700 Subject: PDF import? Message-ID: Regarding diplaying PDF file in Rev: On Win, using the Rev Browser Demo, I entered the following string into the browser address field: file:///Users/williammoseid/Documents/About%20Stacks.pdf This 1 page pdf was displayed in the browser with all scroll, etc. controls visable and working Then entered this string into the browser address field: file:///Userswilliammoseid/Documents/Amazing%20FusionCharts%201.pdf This 36 page pdf displayed in the browser with all scroll, etc. controls visable and working the swf file located on page 3, ran perfectly. On Mac, using the Rev Browser Demo, entered the following string into the browser address field: file:///Users/williammoseid/Documents/About%20Stacks.pdf The 1 page pdf was displayed in the browser with all scroll, etc. controls visable and working Then entered this string into the browser address field: file:///Userswilliammoseid/Documents/Amazing%20FusionCharts%201.pdf The 36 page pdf displayed in the browser with all scroll, etc. controls were visable and working inculding a swf file located on page 3 which sort of ran. This swf takes about 10 seconds to run. By clicking in the page margin after 10 seconds I could see the rendered swf. By clicking in the page margin, every few seconds or so, a portion of the rendering appeared until after a number of mouse clicks the rendered swf appeared. However mouse over various buttons in the rendered swf would not show the "ToolTips" compared to the Win Rev Browser Demo where the swf rendered as expected and all buttons which had "ToolTips" displayed perfectly as well as the "Replay" button would rerender the swf. The Mac issue is as Jacqueline reported earlier "I can reproduce that. It seems to be a focus issue." This has been reported as Bug 8740. So the Rev Browser Demo appears to provide one way to "show" pdfs in Rev Best, William Roger Moseid From nealk3nc at gmail.com Fri May 7 18:53:14 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:53:14 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not to divert anyone from Jerry's Rodeo (I am a Kickstarter!) but if you want to see something like it, see the link below http://www.componentone.com/SuperProducts/StudioiPhone/ Its nothing like the ease of Rev (its ,Net after all) but I think its a similar concept. Except Rodeo (the new product) is a server-oriented app. Neal Campbell From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri May 7 18:56:57 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 17:56:57 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Neal, Thanks, for Kicking In, btw! Rodeo's emphasis on server technology is a big plus: 1. We are really leveraging revServer to make it fast and develop it fast. 2. This eliminates the need to update client apps as Rodeo improves. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 7, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Neal Campbell wrote: > Not to divert anyone from Jerry's Rodeo (I am a Kickstarter!) but if > you > want to see something like it, see the link below > http://www.componentone.com/SuperProducts/StudioiPhone/ > > Its nothing like the ease of Rev (its ,Net after all) but I think > its a > similar concept. Except Rodeo (the new product) is a server-oriented > app. > > > Neal Campbell > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Fri May 7 19:12:22 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 16:12:22 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <564420A1-E353-40F1-9E01-7499CC467BD9@altuit.com> References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1273248366627-2134443.post@n4.nabble.com> <6DB7FDD0-0781-499E-9673-295EE5923204@twft.com> <564420A1-E353-40F1-9E01-7499CC467BD9@altuit.com> Message-ID: The vast majority of ANY kind of video these days is flash or windows media. quicktime is small potatoes. So if you can't use flash or windows media, then the vast majority of porn will be unavailable. That's what I meant. I know if you try hard enough you can find porn on the iPhone. I guess what Steve Jobs is saying is, there is plenty of media on youtube, and typically if you can find it somewhere else, you can find it on youtube, so you are not missing much. And youtube does not allow porn, although some stuff gets through. Bob On May 7, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > And I really hope you aren't serious about your kids not being able to access porn from your iPhone. Steve was disingenuous when he commented, "if you want to use porn, get an Android," You or your kids can access porn from your iPhone just like the rest of the world, through the browser. I have know idea what you're referring to by mentioning Flash in conjunction to porn. Flash is not porn. > > Chipp Walters > CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri May 7 19:22:54 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 19:22:54 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I already have a life time subscription to on-rev's revServer and I already own tRev, tText, revMobile, RunRev. So I am a bit confused about what is being offered by Rodeo? On the surface it looks like a 'controlled' access to on-rev through privately owned Rodeo and that the benefit of paying this extra $10 a month is that you will provide some iRev Libraries to handle iPad specific UI elements and or access to webKit in a web app??? I hope this is not the case as right away I can see that this will inhibit contributions to a 'free' repository of library like snippets for us on-rev users. Tom On May 7, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Neal, > > Thanks, for Kicking In, btw! > > Rodeo's emphasis on server technology is a big plus: > > 1. We are really leveraging revServer to make it fast and develop it fast. > 2. This eliminates the need to update client apps as Rodeo improves. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: > http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch > > On May 7, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Neal Campbell wrote: > >> Not to divert anyone from Jerry's Rodeo (I am a Kickstarter!) but if you >> want to see something like it, see the link below >> http://www.componentone.com/SuperProducts/StudioiPhone/ >> >> Its nothing like the ease of Rev (its ,Net after all) but I think its a >> similar concept. Except Rodeo (the new product) is a server-oriented app. >> >> >> Neal Campbell >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri May 7 19:30:31 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:30:31 +1000 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Think of it as a construction kit for web apps. Cheers, Sarah On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I already have a life time subscription to on-rev's revServer and I already own tRev, tText, revMobile, RunRev. So I am a bit confused about what is being offered by Rodeo? On the surface it looks like a 'controlled' access to on-rev through privately owned Rodeo and that the benefit of paying this extra $10 a month is that you will provide some iRev Libraries to handle iPad specific UI elements and or access to webKit in a web app??? > > I hope this is not the case as right away I can see that this will inhibit contributions to a 'free' repository of library like snippets for us on-rev users. > > > Tom > On May 7, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > >> Neal, >> >> Thanks, for Kicking In, btw! >> >> Rodeo's emphasis on server technology is a big plus: >> >> 1. We are really leveraging revServer to make it fast and develop it fast. >> 2. This eliminates the need to update client apps as Rodeo improves. >> >> Best, >> >> Jerry Daniels >> >> Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: >> http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch >> >> On May 7, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Neal Campbell wrote: >> >>> Not to divert anyone from Jerry's Rodeo (I am a Kickstarter!) but if you >>> want to see something like it, see the link below >>> http://www.componentone.com/SuperProducts/StudioiPhone/ >>> >>> Its nothing like the ease of Rev (its ,Net after all) but I think its a >>> similar concept. Except Rodeo (the new product) is a server-oriented app. >>> >>> >>> Neal Campbell >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bobs at twft.com Fri May 7 19:31:15 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 16:31:15 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <546AE092-68B6-4768-BFB3-931E8A827723@twft.com> Ok I'm in! Bob On May 7, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > Hi List, > > I am really excited about a new development initiative started by > Jerry Daniels of tRev fame. > > Like many of you, Jerry & I want to develop for the iPad, but we don't > want the hassle of dealing with the App Store and we don't want to > struggle with Objective-C. So it looks like web apps are a possible > solution, but that requires learning so many technologies: HTML, CSS, > Javascript etc. > > So what is the answer? Rodeo! > > Go to http://rodeoapps.com/ and check out the three introductory videos. > > And if you still don't have tRev, run to http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Fri May 7 19:41:49 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 00:41:49 +0100 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1273248366627-2134443.post@n4.nabble.com> <6DB7FDD0-0781-499E-9673-295EE5923204@twft.com> <564420A1-E353-40F1-9E01-7499CC467BD9@altuit.com> Message-ID: On 8 May 2010, at 00:12, Bob Sneidar wrote: > The vast majority of ANY kind of video these days is flash or > windows media. quicktime is small potatoes. Please don't make the standard mistake of thinking in terms of Flash v. h264. The vast majority of video is h264-encoded, whether that file is then shown in a Flash viewer, QT, HTML5 etc. Ian From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 7 19:52:05 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 16:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> Guys, they will declare you a virus, or counter revolutionary, or something, and they will ban you not only from the store, but also from their browser. Of course they thought of this. If you get away with it, the App Store goes up in smoke. It always was going to happen that they would use their control of Safari to ban sites. They always were going to have to plug that loophole. You will just make them do it tomorrow rather than the next day. Nice try though. Got yourselves all on the list of counter revolutionary right wing deviationists and anti-Party clique members now, fairly high up. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2135783.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Fri May 7 20:06:31 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 01:06:31 +0100 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> On 8 May 2010, at 00:52, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > Of course they thought of this. Yes, we *know* that Apple thought of it - it's one of the recommended methods for creating iPhone/iPad content, with tons of documentation on Apple's developer site and with specific tools in Xcode. Plus PhoneGap has been confirmed as working this way without breaking the SDK terms. http://developer.apple.com/tools/dashcode/ ;-) Ian From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri May 7 20:20:12 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 19:20:12 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: IMO, Apple needs to keep the web apps door wide open. Why? It's their answer to the regulators in US and EU. And thanks to revServer technology and On-Rev, we have muscle to do the heavy lifting on the cloud instead of the iPad. If you are not exploring On-Rev and doing CGI work with it, I HIGHLY recommend it. Worth every penny! Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 7, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Ian Wood wrote: > > On 8 May 2010, at 00:52, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > >> Of course they thought of this. > > Yes, we *know* that Apple thought of it - it's one of the recommended methods for creating iPhone/iPad content, with tons of documentation on Apple's developer site and with specific tools in Xcode. Plus PhoneGap has been confirmed as working this way without breaking the SDK terms. > > http://developer.apple.com/tools/dashcode/ > > ;-) > > Ian > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 7 20:44:32 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 17:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> Jerry, its for Linux. So I don't have revBrowser, don't have the browser plug-in, no desktop version. I did think about it when the introductory deal was introduced, but took a pass because there was no way of knowing if I'd ever be able to use it. The Rev site says that the Linux desktop version is coming soon. Is it really. Its a nice idea you guys have had. Hope you do get away with it! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2135805.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rman at free.fr Fri May 7 21:11:04 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <1273281064938-2135814.post@n4.nabble.com> Looks brilliant! I came to some very similar conclusion for a project of mine and jotted down today in a post about ipad that going on with on-rev seemed to me a (lost from the eyes) priority for runrev. Long time ago there was the promiss that stacks would run ok instead of plain .irev files, and that the on-rev server would be available "soon" for september 09. I do hope your project will help them focus again on that issue and lead to the long waited opening of the on-rev beta program! I do feel really frustrated that they went on the mobile program before delivering the promissed on-rev stuff which seemed sooooo important to me and my projects over here in France. [copy to runrev] And.. as we say in France "chapeau bas" jerry and the team for tRev and its future as Rod?o. That looks liek a great western like heroic move from here!! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2135814.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From coiin at verizon.net Fri May 7 21:21:34 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 21:21:34 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I think you may be missing a bigger market. HTML5 is supposed the be all the rage, but there are almost no tools for making HTML5 pages. You could promote your tool for making HTML5 pages, and then the fact that it might be iPad compatible would be a selling point for your tool. As it stands it sounds like an iPad web app tool, and people needing HTML5 pages might not think of using it, and people like me who want to do iPad apps will realize that your tool won't work offline, and so won't be interested. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Fri May 7 21:22:56 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Selected object "boxes" In-Reply-To: <24ED19A9-7B41-4269-B6EC-A6C69DE08119@mac.com> References: <1273202244598-2133653.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BE38B8A.2020901@hyperactivesw.com> <24ED19A9-7B41-4269-B6EC-A6C69DE08119@mac.com> Message-ID: <1273281776778-2135822.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Josep, Look at this Revlet from your browser, but first, read the instructions included in the card: http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test02.html Download this stack to explore the source code: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/newPentoolScript_v02.zip Visit this page to download other stacks and "pieces of code" related to vector graphics in this platform: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/ http://webspace.webring.com/people/qc/capellan/ http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/ Have a nice weekend! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Selected-object-boxes-tp2133653p2135822.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri May 7 22:12:51 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 12:12:51 +1000 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: > Jerry, its for Linux. ?So I don't have revBrowser, don't have the browser > plug-in, no desktop version. > > I did think about it when the introductory deal was introduced, but took a > pass because there was no way of knowing if I'd ever be able to use it. ?The > Rev site says that the Linux desktop version is coming soon. ?Is it really. > Peter, you don't need the On-Rev client app to use On-Rev. The files are just text-based so it's like editing html or PHP files, you can use any text editor and any FTP client. Cheers, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri May 7 22:14:19 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 12:14:19 +1000 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > I think you may be missing a bigger market. HTML5 is supposed the be all the rage, but there are almost no tools for making HTML5 pages. You could promote your tool for making HTML5 pages, and then the fact that it might be iPad compatible would be a selling point for your tool. As it stands it sounds like an iPad web app tool, and people needing HTML5 pages might not think of using it, and people like me who want to do iPad apps will realize that your tool won't work offline, and so won't be interested. Hi Colin, interesting thoughts about HTML5. As regards Rodeo, while iPad editing will be through the browser and require you to be online, the desktop app will work offline. Cheers, Sarah From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat May 8 00:32:16 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 21:32:16 -0700 Subject: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative Message-ID: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> Apple developing Flash alternative named Gianduia -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From sims at ezpzapps.com Sat May 8 01:30:07 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 07:30:07 +0200 Subject: PDF import? In-Reply-To: <29665604C6DA4C118288C88904A5EB1F@BillPC> References: <29665604C6DA4C118288C88904A5EB1F@BillPC> Message-ID: On May 7, 2010, at 9:14 PM, William Roger Moseid wrote: > Regarding diplaying PDF file in Rev: By using command line qlmanage you can display a pdf file on OS X, much like one can in QuickLook. Evidently there is an issue about proper display of the title in the top of the window which might be an issue for you. Check out the List archives for more on using qlmanage sims From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 8 01:47:35 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 07:47:35 +0200 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <44B97447-3164-4A31-9F7B-7467B70601E5@numericable.com> Hello Jerry, I am an on-rev founder, but I have not yet used... I begin to understand the "thing" (Rodeo), but I am going to need a little time to really assimilate the concept... Is all iPad functionnality is available ? Music by example ? Thanks Ren? Le 8 mai 2010 ? 02:20, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > IMO, Apple needs to keep the web apps door wide open. Why? It's their answer to the regulators in US and EU. > > And thanks to revServer technology and On-Rev, we have muscle to do the heavy lifting on the cloud instead of the iPad. > > If you are not exploring On-Rev and doing CGI work with it, I HIGHLY recommend it. Worth every penny! > > Best, From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 8 01:54:39 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 07:54:39 +0200 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <209DE977-D7D9-4F1C-8DDC-347AFF688449@numericable.com> Le 8 mai 2010 ? 03:21, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > and people like me who want to do iPad apps will realize that your tool won't work offline Is Rodeo working off-line ? From swartart at iafrica.com Sat May 8 02:13:16 2010 From: swartart at iafrica.com (Ryno Swart) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:13:16 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: <20100507142300.EED36288361@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100507142300.EED36288361@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Rene, There is no violation. We do our thinking in English or in French or Afrikaans; using typewriters or computers or pencil and paper. This is the creative process, and is personal to me, as to you. The output may have to conform to certain specifications. Process is as open as musical or artistic inspiration. Develop your own process, and good luck to you. Ryno. http://artistvision.org/ > But I respect the contract : I think in RevTalk (it is my private > life) and I write in Objective C and I compile "my" Objective C > code on (in ?) Xcode... > I don't understand where is the violation... From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat May 8 02:30:37 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 16:30:37 +1000 Subject: Accessing data from HID compliant USB device In-Reply-To: <8A8F74CA-C1C5-479D-8FEF-2C953ADD1864@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk> References: <20100507105208.926C428815D@mail.runrev.com> <8A8F74CA-C1C5-479D-8FEF-2C953ADD1864@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk> Message-ID: > This one has been churning around in my head for ages, and I finally bought a couple of joysticks to experiment with. > > I want to build a standalone that responds to joystick input. ?Nothing requiring huge amounts of data or processing, just detection of joystick position -> onscreen response scaling or moving an image. > > I can understand the basic principles of HID, but can't get to grips with where the data goes in either Mac or Windows, and what would be involved in capturing it in Rev. ?I have found some developer articles which address this, but they relate to other languages (VB & RB, I think). Does the joystick produce keyDown/Up or rawKeyDown/Up messages? If so, you could map out the numbers that each motion triggers and have your app react accordingly. There is a utility on my web site that detects keystrokes and displays the various codes for them. Cheers, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat May 8 02:31:38 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 16:31:38 +1000 Subject: Accessing data from HID compliant USB device In-Reply-To: References: <20100507142300.B3421288352@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > Fischertechnik? brings back memories of painfully standing barefoot ?on bits my brother left lying around on the floor. Ah yes. Every parent knows that the most painful part of parenthood is standing on Lego bricks in the middle of the night :-) From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 8 02:33:09 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:33:09 +0200 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <20100507142300.EED36288361@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <5CF49D56-3784-45C0-9BA8-FE85B9190BC8@numericable.com> Thank you Ryno, I see your site and blog ! very nice... Bon souvenir de Paris Ren? Le 8 mai 2010 ? 08:13, Ryno Swart a ?crit : > Rene, There is no violation. We do our thinking in English or in French or Afrikaans; using typewriters or computers or pencil and paper. This is the creative process, and is personal to me, as to you. The output may have to conform to certain specifications. Process is as open as musical or artistic inspiration. Develop your own process, and good luck to you. > > Ryno. > http://artistvision.org/ > > >> But I respect the contract : I think in RevTalk (it is my private life) and I write in Objective C and I compile "my" Objective C code on (in ?) Xcode... >> I don't understand where is the violation... > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sat May 8 04:16:18 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 01:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1273306578663-2135961.post@n4.nabble.com> "Peter, you don't need the On-Rev client app to use On-Rev." But don't you need the browser plug-in to use the pages you've made? For instance, I seemingly can't get to the parts of your site that are Rev based, because of no plug-in. Or is this a mistake? Can you step through it, you want to make a web app, usable through the browser, either on the local machine or on a local server, or on the On-Rev server. What bits exactly do you have to use from Rev? Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2135961.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sat May 8 04:58:03 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:58:03 +0100 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <59D0660B-918D-4154-97B2-8CE902AB16E5@azurevision.co.uk> On 8 May 2010, at 02:21, Colin Holgate wrote: > people like me who want to do iPad apps will realize that your tool > won't work offline, and so won't be interested. That depends on how Rodeoapps sets up the pages - the HTML5 spec allows for data to be stored locally on the browsing device via SQLite. On 8 May 2010, at 09:16, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > "Peter, you don't need the On-Rev client app to use On-Rev." > > But don't you need the browser plug-in to use the pages you've > made? For > instance, I seemingly can't get to the parts of your site that are Rev > based, because of no plug-in. Or is this a mistake? On-Rev is equivalent to things like PHP - it's ALL server-side. I use it for a number of more complex utility pages that I'd never have time to learn how to do in PHP. Like Sarah says, all you need to do is upload .irev text files. The desktop client then gives you the ability to debug remotely. Sarah's site has both information about On-Rev and information about the plug-in, two separate things. > Can you step through it, you want to make a web app, usable through > the > browser, either on the local machine or on a local server, or on > the On-Rev > server. What bits exactly do you have to use from Rev? I assume that their service is using the On-Rev server to generate all the HTML5/CSS/JS files. Ian From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sat May 8 05:30:31 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 02:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <59D0660B-918D-4154-97B2-8CE902AB16E5@azurevision.co.uk> References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> <59D0660B-918D-4154-97B2-8CE902AB16E5@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <1273311031363-2135989.post@n4.nabble.com> OK, just to be clear, is this how it is? -- If you have subscribed to the on-rev hosting service, you can then write and host pages on it, using any text editor, which will allow any web browser to run your web apps, but only (at least at the moment) from the on-rev server run by Rev itself. -- if you have the desktop rev-web client, you can debug the pages you have written for the rev-web hosting service, online. However, you don't have to have this to run and manage the pages. -- If you have revBrowser, you can display any web pages in Rev stacks. -- if you have the browser plugin, you can run revlets, ie stacks you've compiled for the web, in the browser with that plugin, and these can be hosted anyplace you can get anyone to host them, including locally. Is that how it goes? So if you're running and writing for Linux, you can write pages for the rev-web server, and they will run in any browser on any OS including Linux, but the only way to do that is by subscribing to the hosting service. The rest of it, you cannot do any of it. Well, not quite right, you can develop and compile for the web, but then you can't use what you have made from the system you developed it on. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2135989.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sat May 8 05:46:25 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:46:25 +0100 Subject: On-Rev v. revBrowser v. revWeb etc. (was: Check out Jerry's new videos) In-Reply-To: <1273311031363-2135989.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> <59D0660B-918D-4154-97B2-8CE902AB16E5@azurevision.co.uk> <1273311031363-2135989.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 8 May 2010, at 10:30, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > > OK, just to be clear, is this how it is? > > -- If you have subscribed to the on-rev hosting service, you can > then write > and host pages on it, using any text editor, which will allow any web > browser to run your web apps, but only (at least at the moment) from > the > on-rev server run by Rev itself. Yes, because it's server-side scripting. All the compilation and execution of Rev script is taking place on the On-Rev server. The viewer's browser just sees the results of the script, usually as HTML. > -- if you have the desktop rev-web client, you can debug the pages > you have > written for the rev-web hosting service, online. However, you don't > have to > have this to run and manage the pages. Correct. > -- If you have revBrowser, you can display any web pages in Rev > stacks. There's no revBrowser separate revBrowser product any more, it's part of the core engine these days. But yes, it's basically a browser window embedded within your Rev stack. > -- if you have the browser plugin, you can run revlets, ie stacks > you've > compiled for the web, in the browser with that plugin, and these can > be > hosted anyplace you can get anyone to host them, including locally. Yes. > Is that how it goes? So if you're running and writing for Linux, > you can > write pages for the rev-web server, and they will run in any browser > on any > OS including Linux, but the only way to do that is by subscribing to > the > hosting service. Yes. I think the On-Rev engine is still due to be released for people to install on their own servers at some stage. Ian From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 8 05:52:47 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 02:52:47 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos Message-ID: <20100508095250.KFQT486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> I have no idea what you guys are talking about. But my god. A solution that complicated, with that many stacked conditions and contingencies can't actually be considered a solution to anything. The "cloud" is simply a scheme to get other people to provide services so that you don't have to, and to get people to think they need services they can't understand and therefore need. Have you ever really tried to live by web apps? That is the day you wish you had a hard disk with an application running on it on a standard computer. Apps are locally stored that way. G3 ain't wide band. Wireless ain't ethernet. Ethernet ain't a system bus. A client side cookie ain't an application in memory. End arounds aren't solutions. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Alcibiades Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 2:30 AM To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos OK, just to be clear, is this how it is? -- If you have subscribed to the on-rev hosting service, you can then write and host pages on it, using any text editor, which will allow any web browser to run your web apps, but only (at least at the moment) from the on-rev server run by Rev itself. -- if you have the desktop rev-web client, you can debug the pages you have written for the rev-web hosting service, online. However, you don't have to have this to run and manage the pages. -- If you have revBrowser, you can display any web pages in Rev stacks. -- if you have the browser plugin, you can run revlets, ie stacks you've compiled for the web, in the browser with that plugin, and these can be hosted anyplace you can get anyone to host them, including locally. Is that how it goes? So if you're running and writing for Linux, you can write pages for the rev-web server, and they will run in any browser on any OS including Linux, but the only way to do that is by subscribing to the hosting service. The rest of it, you cannot do any of it. Well, not quite right, you can develop and compile for the web, but then you can't use what you have made from the system you developed it on. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2135989.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 8 06:10:10 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 12:10:10 +0200 Subject: ***SPAM***RE: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <20100508095250.KFQT486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100508095250.KFQT486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: Thank you Jerry, In a same morning I discover Rodeo + Posterus + tRev (rediscover) Ren? From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 8 06:11:01 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 12:11:01 +0200 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: <20100508095250.KFQT486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: Thank you Jerry, In a same morning I discover Rodeo + Posterus + tRev (rediscover) Ren? From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Sat May 8 07:52:32 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 04:52:32 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos Message-ID: <54942865-1851-4BA1-8003-94DA58E40BDD@yahoo.com> On May 8, 2010, at 2:30 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > OK, just to be clear, is this how it is? My attempt to clarify things by making a series of statements that should give some flow to a complicated subject... web hosting for the rest of us. Corrections welcome :-) With an On-Rev account you have a password protected area that you control as admin. This is a hosted account. Using a control panel web page at On-Rev, you can setup, improve, or destroy your ability to use this account. Jerry's new venture, Rodeo, allows a server to perform complex tasks and interact with a Safari browser running on the iPad. Basically, a web server does not care which device has contacted it with instructions and/or data. ( I have no affiliation with Rodeo or inside knowledge ) Jerry's new venture allows a programmer who knows Rev text and data handling to accept data and return info that will display properly in Safari. Knowledge of html-php-css languages are not required since his library will take care of writing 'all that weird stuff' and delivering it correctly. The caution will be that the returned display code will likely not be cross-browser or cross-platform, especially not be backward-compatible. The goal is probably to be finely tuned to the iPad version of Safari, which (knowing Apple) will likely be a moving target. It is possible to make the cloud-app function with any browser, not just the iPad, but I have no way of knowing if Rodeo will ever add this. ----- On-Rev basics --------------- Irev Any text files you upload that have the correct code lines will be read by the irev engine and executed, no matter how the text files were edited and uploaded. How do you get irev code, irev scripts, and php to execute? Use your browser or scripting environment of choice to access an url, such as: http://jimaultAccount.on-rev.com/say-hello-with-date.irev this runs the script + all of its function calls to other scripts, then returns data. If the data is to be displayed by a browser, then all the tags are included in the output. If the data is merely the payload to be returned to a program, then it is formatted to match the task. http://jimaultAccount.on-rev.com/yahoo-weather-11-items-metric-system.irev http://jimaultAccount.on-rev.com/yahoo-weather-11-items-US-system.irev PHP, any flavor of cgi - that produce html, javascript, css results to send back to a browser These are all available to you on the On-Rev server, just as other hosting servers. You do not ever have to write one irev script. REV CGI, vs other cgi scripts that can be installed (such as perl) You can install the Rev cgi 3.5 Linux engine on to your admin account, then upload scripts and stacks that call this engine. Again, no irev scripting is needed. (NOTE: Andre Garzia has made an automatic installer for this -> your On-Rev account and the engine will be available from any folder/script you control, or from the outside world) code tells the server to execute PHP statements code tells the server to execute IREV statements The results of the code become part of the text string you are building that finally becomes the string you return to the browser. Now a bonus: You can write a Rev cgi that calls an irev script(s) to do processing, then that first cgi delivers the result to the user's browser. You can write an irev script that calls a cgi(s) to do processing, then that first irev script delivers the result to the user's browser. Of course, you can have multiple calls to and between irev scripts and cgi scripts. The cgi scripts can run on any compatible hosting server, but the irev scripts must be executed using the On-Rev.com engine. You can have a PHP script on hostgator call an irev script on your server. You can have a Rev stack on your desktop that calls an irev script. And now you can diagram many variations across different hosts that you own or sites you don't own. An example is to get stock quotes and weather as part of your desktop app, then call an irev script to format the output or data structure. The html-javascript-css-jquery code that you deliver from the server to the browser needs to be compatible with the specific browser the user has chosen. If you use the Rev browser plugin, it will give the browser the capability of doing more than the browser knows how to do, such as display working stacks. The result is that you are not constrained to using html-javascript-css-jquery, except to build the page that the Rev plugin will run within. Jerry's tRex editor makes building stacks and scripts very easy. By executing scripts on a server, the user does not have to download apps or stacks or revlets. The usual browser cookies can store data locally, if the user allows this. I hope this helps people get there head around the complex nature of web assets and the multiplexed jargon Complex beyond measure, unless you have a multi-dimensional yardstick. Jim Ault Las Vegas From pmbrig at gmail.com Sat May 8 08:09:31 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:09:31 -0400 Subject: PDF import? In-Reply-To: References: <4BE41F0D.1090404@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <619AE684-379E-42D1-959E-B7517AC2DE0C@gmail.com> Thanks for reminding me of the tempname, I'll end up using it. Thanks to William & Jim for trying out the browser window technique for displaying PDFs. I'll get busy trying these work-arounds. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On May 7, 2010, at 12:40 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Not really. We are probably doing the things that "other" apps do - > we just > don't see it. Similarly, we can't do things like play audio from a > variable > - not sure why but it may be that there always has to be some kind > of file > to be a buffer for the audio to stream properly without glitches. > > You should check out , if you haven't already, the tempName.... > > On 7 May 2010 08:49, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > >> What I want to do is to import a PDF image into a stack as a >> customprop. I >> anticipate using this for sensitive documents that will need to be >> contained >> within a password-protected stack, and I don't want the files >> themselves >> left on the user's disk drive. It looks as if I'll have to store >> the PDF >> binary file as a customprop then delete the file, and then when the >> user >> wants to access the stored file spit the PDF out to disk on demand >> for >> viewing and printing using Preview, then delete the file from disk >> when >> done. Is there any other way? Can I print an image from a player >> control? Or >> even better, is there a Rev external that will convert PDF files to >> an >> importable image? From jerry.daniels at me.com Sat May 8 09:08:46 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 08:08:46 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <44B97447-3164-4A31-9F7B-7467B70601E5@numericable.com> References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <44B97447-3164-4A31-9F7B-7467B70601E5@numericable.com> Message-ID: Yes it is. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 8, 2010, at 12:47 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Hello Jerry, > I am an on-rev founder, but I have not yet used... > I begin to understand the "thing" (Rodeo), but I am going to need a little time to really assimilate the concept... > Is all iPad functionnality is available ? Music by example ? > Thanks > Ren? > > Le 8 mai 2010 ? 02:20, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > >> IMO, Apple needs to keep the web apps door wide open. Why? It's their answer to the regulators in US and EU. >> >> And thanks to revServer technology and On-Rev, we have muscle to do the heavy lifting on the cloud instead of the iPad. >> >> If you are not exploring On-Rev and doing CGI work with it, I HIGHLY recommend it. Worth every penny! >> >> Best, > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jerry.daniels at me.com Sat May 8 09:41:12 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 08:41:12 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <1273306578663-2135961.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> <1273306578663-2135961.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <722E38B2-E943-4F67-B0E0-F50368F09570@me.com> Peter, The pages Rodeo server creates and that run on iPad Web browser do not involve revPlugin. These pages are rendered by CGI written in Rev running on On-Rev. Rodeo apps running on iPad are just running the app pages that On-Rev has served to it. When offline, iPad would be using local versions of your Rodeo app pages. When offline on the iPad, one could not make changes that required the Rodeo server--or any other server. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 8, 2010, at 3:16 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > > "Peter, you don't need the On-Rev client app to use On-Rev." > > But don't you need the browser plug-in to use the pages you've made? For > instance, I seemingly can't get to the parts of your site that are Rev > based, because of no plug-in. Or is this a mistake? > > Can you step through it, you want to make a web app, usable through the > browser, either on the local machine or on a local server, or on the On-Rev > server. What bits exactly do you have to use from Rev? > > Peter > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2135961.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jerry.daniels at me.com Sat May 8 09:44:06 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 08:44:06 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <59D0660B-918D-4154-97B2-8CE902AB16E5@azurevision.co.uk> References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> <59D0660B-918D-4154-97B2-8CE902AB16E5@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <6A72A2DA-66F3-45EE-83FC-6B75411F295C@me.com> Ian, YES that's exactly right. revServer is excellent for this chore and ones like it. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 8, 2010, at 3:58 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > I assume that their service is using the On-Rev server to generate all the HTML5/CSS/JS files. From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sat May 8 09:55:43 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 14:55:43 +0100 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <6A72A2DA-66F3-45EE-83FC-6B75411F295C@me.com> References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> <59D0660B-918D-4154-97B2-8CE902AB16E5@azurevision.co.uk> <6A72A2DA-66F3-45EE-83FC-6B75411F295C@me.com> Message-ID: <6F2FC0BC-E28C-4185-9423-294606A22059@azurevision.co.uk> It's pure coincidence, I'd been thinking earlier this week that Rev would be perfect for generating HTML5 stuff online/on-the-fly, but without having the required amount of web knowledge. I'll be watching with interest, and it's sparked off a few ideas for 'intelligent' photo galleries... Ian On 8 May 2010, at 14:44, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Ian, YES that's exactly right. revServer is excellent for this chore > and ones like it. From jerry.daniels at me.com Sat May 8 10:00:46 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 09:00:46 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <54942865-1851-4BA1-8003-94DA58E40BDD@yahoo.com> References: <54942865-1851-4BA1-8003-94DA58E40BDD@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, That is correct. We are going to do this one thing for the iPad and do it extremely well. Once we're pleased with the results, we'll consider other devices and platforms. We are a small team and do not want to spread ourselves too thin. People always ask: "What sorts of things can you do with Revolution?" Rodeo is an example of one of Rev greatest strengths: manipulating strings on a server to create web app pages for a very particular device. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 8, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Jim Ault wrote: > The goal is probably to be finely tuned to the iPad version of Safari, which (knowing Apple) will likely be a moving target. It is possible to make the cloud-app function with any browser, not just the iPad, but I have no way of knowing if Rodeo will ever add this. From jerry.daniels at me.com Sat May 8 10:05:41 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 09:05:41 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <6F2FC0BC-E28C-4185-9423-294606A22059@azurevision.co.uk> References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> <59D0660B-918D-4154-97B2-8CE902AB16E5@azurevision.co.uk> <6A72A2DA-66F3-45EE-83FC-6B75411F295C@me.com> <6F2FC0BC-E28C-4185-9423-294606A22059@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: One of the reasons that Sarah and I have been talking about Rodeo on the list is to inspire others to use Rev technology more creatively. We felt it would be a welcome relief from the anxiety over the revMobile wait. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 8, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > I'll be watching with interest, and it's sparked off a few ideas for 'intelligent' photo galleries... From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sat May 8 10:54:15 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 10:54:15 -0400 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <20100507142300.EED36288361@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <5A298723-5553-4939-B150-690441D6B1D0@mac.com> Ryno, Love your artwork. Especially the style of your watercolor pieces. Regards, Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today? http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com DeMoted on the iTune App Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8 On May 8, 2010, at 2:13 AM, Ryno Swart wrote: > Rene, There is no violation. We do our thinking in English or in French or Afrikaans; using typewriters or computers or pencil and paper. This is the creative process, and is personal to me, as to you. The output may have to conform to certain specifications. Process is as open as musical or artistic inspiration. Develop your own process, and good luck to you. > > Ryno. > http://artistvision.org/ > > >> But I respect the contract : I think in RevTalk (it is my private life) and I write in Objective C and I compile "my" Objective C code on (in ?) Xcode... >> I don't understand where is the violation... > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From davidocoker at gmail.com Sat May 8 10:57:08 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:57:08 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > So what is the answer? Rodeo! Although they are plenty cool, up until now I have just about sworn off on the idea of purchasing an iPad. The whole Rodeo concept however, makes me want to turn lose with the $$cash$$ so I can dive off into the fun and games. I already have tRev and would be more than happy to participate through the Kickstart program.... it's just too bad that you actually have to own an iPad to use Rodeo... Question: Are there any plans to accommodate development for the iPhone using Rodeo? Best regards, David C. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sat May 8 11:00:51 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 08:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: On-Rev v. revBrowser v. revWeb etc. (was: Check out Jerry's new videos) In-Reply-To: References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> <59D0660B-918D-4154-97B2-8CE902AB16E5@azurevision.co.uk> <1273311031363-2135989.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1273330851347-2136205.post@n4.nabble.com> "There's no revBrowser separate revBrowser product any more, it's part of the core engine these days." Yes, understand, but its not available for all OS versions of the core engine, of course. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2136205.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jerry.daniels at me.com Sat May 8 11:21:31 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 10:21:31 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B3EDB06-D7C2-48EB-B68F-6F4E142A3648@me.com> David, We want to do a really superb job on the iPad. Once we're satisfied with that, the next logical target will be iPhone. We are also watching closely Android and WebOS. We are being careful not to over commit at this time. As far as getting an iPad goes, I recommend the repost I did of the EMC executive who bought an iPad. http://rodeoapps.com/what-ipads-did-to-my-family-chucks-blog-1 It's like a case study for the introduction of a hybrid technology into a very tech-oriented family. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 8, 2010, at 9:57 AM, "David C." wrote: >> So what is the answer? Rodeo! > > Although they are plenty cool, up until now I have just about sworn > off on the idea of purchasing an iPad. The whole Rodeo concept > however, makes me want to turn lose with the $$cash$$ so I can dive > off into the fun and games. I already have tRev and would be more than > happy to participate through the Kickstart program.... it's just too > bad that you actually have to own an iPad to use Rodeo... > > Question: > Are there any plans to accommodate development for the iPhone using Rodeo? > > Best regards, > David C. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Sat May 8 11:33:13 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 17:33:13 +0200 Subject: Datagrid can't not find stack In-Reply-To: <1273256698730-2135496.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273225287372-2133926.post@n4.nabble.com> <1273256698730-2135496.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <211B8430-AD02-4198-99A7-DD6FA8E1E0BD@inria.fr> Buenos dias Josep, I replicated your two stacks according to your explanations The main stack "s_document" with - a data grid "dg_lineas" with 7 columns: Name, TaxNumber,Address,ZipCode,City,State,Country (I just suppressed "customer" to get the headers shorter ;-)) - a button "OpenSheet" with your script - a field "lbl_datos_cliente" - a button "add" whose script is : --------------- on mouseUp dispatch "addLine" to group "dg_lineas" of this stack with the dialogData ## instead of tLinea (seems to me that your problem was here ; See below) end mouseUp --------------- - a button "delete line" whose script is : on mouseUp local tLine, -------- put the dgHilitedLines of group "dg_lineas" into tLine dispatch "deleteLines" to group "dg_lineas" with tLine end mouseUp The substack "ss_newcustomer with the 7 fields (with their nice spanish names ;-) (I pratically don't speak it but like your language a lot ;-)) and the button "OK" with exactly your script Then all is working as (it seems to me that) your are expecting (If I have well understood ;-)) Le 7 mai 10 ? 20:24, JosepM a ?crit : > Code from the Button on the main stack that open the substack. > In the substack only I have some fields that are as I said filled > manually > or from the database. > > on mouseup > go stack ss_newcustomer of stack "s_document" as sheet > > set itemdel to tab > > put item 1 of dialogdata into tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_NAME"] > put item 2 of dialogdata into tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_TAXNUMBER"] > put item 3 of dialogdata into tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_ADDRESS"] > put item 4 of dialogdata into tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_ZIPCODE"] > put item 5 of dialogdata into tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_CITY"] > put item 6 of dialogdata into tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_STATE"] > put item 7 of dialogdata into tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_COUNTRY"] > > ## Rellenar los datos del cliente, numero documento y fecha > put empty into fld lbl_datos_cliente > put tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_NAME"] & return after fld > lbl_datos_cliente > put tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_TAXNUMBER"] & return & return after fld > lbl_datos_cliente > put tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_ADDRESS"] & return after fld > lbl_datos_cliente > put tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_ZIPCODE"] && tCliente[1] > ["CUSTOMER_CITY"] & > return after fld lbl_datos_cliente > put "(" & tCliente[1]["CUSTOMER_STATE"] & ")" after fld > lbl_datos_cliente > > end mouseup > > Then from the main stack. I have two buttons, one to add and other > to delete > rows from the datagrid. > It's here when I try to add a row the error occur. > > Button add: > > on mouseUp > > put the dgNumberOfLines of group "dg_lineas" of this stack into > tFilas > if tFilas<10 then > put "0" & tFilas+1 into tLinea > else > put tFilas+1 into tLinea > end if Here from the above, I understand that you want to add the line after the lines which are already in the data grid. In this case, you don't have to indicate the line. it will be added automatically to the end of the current content (see "AddLine" in the doc) > dispatch "addLine" to group "dg_lineas" of this stack with tLinea Here the dialogData is missing (could be the problem) ; you should have : dispatch "addLine" to group "dg_Lineas" of this stack with the dialogData In fact the complete syntax is : AddLine pText, pColumns, pLine (see addLine in the doc from Trevor a line number is necessary only if you want to add the line between two current lines (for example if you already have 5 lines and you want your new line be the second one then you should put dispatch "addLine" to group "dg_Lineas" of this stack with the dialogData,,2 --(note the two commas, it is a place reserved for pColumns in case it should be necessary) > dispatch "ResetList" to group "dg_lineas" of this stack this line seems not necessary with addLine (it's working as well without it) > > end mouseUp > > I don't see where can fail... :( > > Button "OK" from the substack > > on mouseUp > > put fld f_NOMBRE & tab & fld f_NIF & tab & fld f_DIRECCION & tab & > fld > f_CP & tab & fld f_POBLACION & tab & fld f_PROVINCIA & tab & fld > f_PAIS into > tDatosCliente > set the dialogdata to tDatosCliente > > close this stack > end mouseUp > > Salut, > Josep > -- ?Hasta luego! Andr? From josh at dvcreators.net Sat May 8 12:49:55 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:49:55 -0700 Subject: PDF import? In-Reply-To: <619AE684-379E-42D1-959E-B7517AC2DE0C@gmail.com> References: <4BE41F0D.1090404@fourthworld.com> <619AE684-379E-42D1-959E-B7517AC2DE0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6A33163C-3A02-4E45-BF98-5DE16B25D242@dvcreators.net> Peter, What we do is turn PDFs into individual JPEGs and we've built a cool viewer that offers single and two page display, jump to any chapter, does a simple wipe on page turns, and even plays randomly chosen page turn sounds if you want, which strangely enhances the experience! We also allow controlled printing, bypassing the print dialog to prevent "printing to PDF". Cheers, Josh On May 8, 2010, at 5:09 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > Thanks for reminding me of the tempname, I'll end up using it. > Thanks to William & Jim for trying out the browser window technique > for displaying PDFs. I'll get busy trying these work-arounds. > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > On May 7, 2010, at 12:40 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > >> Hi Peter, >> >> Not really. We are probably doing the things that "other" apps do - >> we just >> don't see it. Similarly, we can't do things like play audio from a >> variable >> - not sure why but it may be that there always has to be some kind >> of file >> to be a buffer for the audio to stream properly without glitches. >> >> You should check out , if you haven't already, the tempName.... >> >> On 7 May 2010 08:49, Peter Brigham MD wrote: >> >>> What I want to do is to import a PDF image into a stack as a >>> customprop. I >>> anticipate using this for sensitive documents that will need to be >>> contained >>> within a password-protected stack, and I don't want the files >>> themselves >>> left on the user's disk drive. It looks as if I'll have to store >>> the PDF >>> binary file as a customprop then delete the file, and then when >>> the user >>> wants to access the stored file spit the PDF out to disk on demand >>> for >>> viewing and printing using Preview, then delete the file from disk >>> when >>> done. Is there any other way? Can I print an image from a player >>> control? Or >>> even better, is there a Rev external that will convert PDF files >>> to an >>> importable image? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sat May 8 13:11:20 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 13:11:20 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 05/08/2010 at 09:57 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > People always ask: "What sorts of things can you do with Revolution?" > > Rodeo is an example of one of Rev greatest strengths: manipulating > strings on a server to create web app pages for a very particular device. As a user of Revolution, know what Revolution can do. It is very powerful indeed. However, I have only seen videos of a Rodeo sales pitch. Do you have videos that demonstrate your Rodeo product in action? I really don't like subscription-based business models either. I prefer to buy a tool than to rent it. After years of using Rev as a multi-platform tool, I won't go back to something that allows me to develop on/for only one platform. I have been spoiled by the choices that Rev provides. Also, I thought there was something in our Revolution contract that would prevent the creation of tools that compete directly with RunTime itself. Isn't Rodeo in competition with RevMobile? It seems that the Apple/Adobe decision is creating division everywhere. I don't like it. ~Roger Eller From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sat May 8 13:32:11 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:32:11 -0700 Subject: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative In-Reply-To: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <2464B7431F8541428BA2AFCA51801302@GATEWAY> > Apple developing Flash alternative named Gianduia > > g_flash_alternative_named_gianduia.html> Isn't this just another javascript framework? While I see some duplication of functions, I have been wondering how these (abeit increasingly powerful) frameworks completely replace Flash or Rev for that matter, delivered through a plugin experience. We see a lot of examples of implementation but not very sophisticated editing and testing environments for them. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sat May 8 13:37:02 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 18:37:02 +0100 Subject: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative In-Reply-To: <2464B7431F8541428BA2AFCA51801302@GATEWAY> References: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> <2464B7431F8541428BA2AFCA51801302@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Over the past 2 or 3 years, I kept seeing references to Apple & Gianduia on the WebObjects list. But as everyone was under NDA, they would never say exactly what it was. Bernard From jerry.daniels at me.com Sat May 8 13:48:35 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 12:48:35 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A10FE54-0C72-4F7E-8A93-86590DED8CFC@me.com> Roger, Kevin and I have worked closely together for some years now, and we communicate frequently. He has, of course, been privy to what we're doing and wants us to have great success. He has been pleased that we're really leveraging revServer technology and building our web app IDE in desktop Revolution. RevMobile creates native apps...binaries. That's part and parcel of the Runtime Revolution DNA. Rodeo creates web apps using revServer technologies. I can't imagine a better tech partnership. I realize the list has become infused with doubt and fear these last few weeks, but our announcement is nothing but the Revolution platform being used to its best advantage. No fear, uncertainty or doubt. Lastly, we make it abundantly clear how and when we plan to deploy Rodeo in our Roadmap video: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-roadmap Not all pricing models make all people happy. But given the rules on interpreters running on the iPad, we don't feel like rolling the dice with Apple. If you think about it, there are such fees everywhere: license renewals (Revolution), developer membership (Apple), server storage (hosted services), embedded ads (Google). Given the narrow walls of the Apple regulations for the iPad, I think our fee structure represents a good choice for Rodeo users and our company's continued success. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 8, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: > On 05/08/2010 at 09:57 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: >> People always ask: "What sorts of things can you do with Revolution?" >> >> Rodeo is an example of one of Rev greatest strengths: manipulating >> strings on a server to create web app pages for a very particular device. > > As a user of Revolution, know what Revolution can do. It is very powerful > indeed. However, I have only seen videos of a Rodeo sales pitch. Do you > have videos that demonstrate your Rodeo product in action? I really don't > like subscription-based business models either. I prefer to buy a tool than > to rent it. After years of using Rev as a multi-platform tool, I won't go > back to something that allows me to develop on/for only one platform. I > have been spoiled by the choices that Rev provides. > > Also, I thought there was something in our Revolution contract that would > prevent the creation of tools that compete directly with RunTime itself. > Isn't Rodeo in competition with RevMobile? It seems that the Apple/Adobe > decision is creating division everywhere. I don't like it. > > ~Roger Eller > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat May 8 13:50:05 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 10:50:05 -0700 Subject: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative In-Reply-To: <2464B7431F8541428BA2AFCA51801302@GATEWAY> References: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> <2464B7431F8541428BA2AFCA51801302@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <4BE5A44D.1000501@fourthworld.com> On 5/8/10 10:32 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: >> Apple developing Flash alternative named Gianduia >> >> > g_flash_alternative_named_gianduia.html> > > Isn't this just another javascript framework? As of 8 May at 10:49 AM that's true. But it's not like Apple has no experience making authoring tools, and it seems a slender leap to consider the possibility that they'll turn out an IDE for this within the coming months. I'd wager they do. To NOT do so would hamper their strategy. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From pmbrig at gmail.com Sat May 8 14:38:17 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 14:38:17 -0400 Subject: PDF import? In-Reply-To: <6A33163C-3A02-4E45-BF98-5DE16B25D242@dvcreators.net> References: <4BE41F0D.1090404@fourthworld.com> <619AE684-379E-42D1-959E-B7517AC2DE0C@gmail.com> <6A33163C-3A02-4E45-BF98-5DE16B25D242@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <7DFED05E-54BE-404C-9B3C-20FB6BB23B33@gmail.com> Can I look at what you've done? Sounds intriguing. Do you convert the PDFs to JPGs automatically on the fly? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On May 8, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > Peter, > > What we do is turn PDFs into individual JPEGs and we've built a cool > viewer that offers single and two page display, jump to any chapter, > does a simple wipe on page turns, and even plays randomly chosen > page turn sounds if you want, which strangely enhances the experience! > > We also allow controlled printing, bypassing the print dialog to > prevent "printing to PDF". > > Cheers, > > Josh > > On May 8, 2010, at 5:09 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > >> Thanks for reminding me of the tempname, I'll end up using it. >> Thanks to William & Jim for trying out the browser window technique >> for displaying PDFs. I'll get busy trying these work-arounds. >> >> -- Peter >> >> Peter M. Brigham >> pmbrig at gmail.com >> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig >> >> On May 7, 2010, at 12:40 PM, stephen barncard wrote: >> >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> Not really. We are probably doing the things that "other" apps do >>> - we just >>> don't see it. Similarly, we can't do things like play audio from a >>> variable >>> - not sure why but it may be that there always has to be some kind >>> of file >>> to be a buffer for the audio to stream properly without glitches. >>> >>> You should check out , if you haven't already, the tempName.... >>> >>> On 7 May 2010 08:49, Peter Brigham MD wrote: >>> >>>> What I want to do is to import a PDF image into a stack as a >>>> customprop. I >>>> anticipate using this for sensitive documents that will need to >>>> be contained >>>> within a password-protected stack, and I don't want the files >>>> themselves >>>> left on the user's disk drive. It looks as if I'll have to store >>>> the PDF >>>> binary file as a customprop then delete the file, and then when >>>> the user >>>> wants to access the stored file spit the PDF out to disk on >>>> demand for >>>> viewing and printing using Preview, then delete the file from >>>> disk when >>>> done. Is there any other way? Can I print an image from a player >>>> control? Or >>>> even better, is there a Rev external that will convert PDF files >>>> to an >>>> importable image? >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sat May 8 14:44:46 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 11:44:46 -0700 Subject: OT: Any MacZotters? Message-ID: <82BCE5758EB14D0C8B1251EBA1F33E0D@GATEWAY> Hi all, Just a quick note for you mac users and Mac Zotters that our Mirye Shade 10 Designer is up for this weekend at 50% off. It supports exports to OBJ and Second Life - OBJ being useful if you got Franklin 3D for Runrev as a part of the MegaBundle and want to get some models into Franklin 3D for Runrev. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 8 15:12:56 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 12:12:56 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <6F2FC0BC-E28C-4185-9423-294606A22059@azurevision.co.uk> References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> <59D0660B-918D-4154-97B2-8CE902AB16E5@azurevision.co.uk> <6A72A2DA-66F3-45EE-83FC-6B75411F295C@me.com> <6F2FC0BC-E28C-4185-9423-294606A22059@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: Does anyone here remember what one used to have to do to "write" postscript to generate a circle? How in the world keeps confusing description and processing protocols with creation and editing workflow is beyond my scope of understanding. What makes for a good description protocol (machine facing) makes for a horrible creation process (human facing). You have to hide the protocol behind human facing editing environments ? direct manipulation and creation environments. If Jerry can pull off an english-like page description interpreter, my eyes are wide open and excited. What I have always wanted is a browser that goes way beyond "view source", allowing instead an "edit mode" that allows direct manipulation of page elements in vitro. Editing might mean resizing a box or the width of a column simply by dragging it. It might mean typing an english command "bigger font in the title", "no, twice as big as the body text". It might mean talking while dragging "this video should fade to black as it ends". But a first step is developing the translation semantics that work between the base description protocol (XML, HTML5, PostScript, Flash, what ever) and what people do and say when they want things to change. I applaud Jerry's effort in this direction!!!!!! My only frustration is that Rodeo (and other high level solutions) might remove the impetus for RunRev or some xtalk environment to provide a smooth development ramp from the very human xtalk and the very inhuman C and other industry standard binding languages that allow universal publishing to any (or most any) hardware/OS platform. Exporting source in C would allow xtalk developers to work as humans and publish directly to industry standard compilers. Randall On May 8, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > It's pure coincidence, I'd been thinking earlier this week that Rev would be perfect for generating HTML5 stuff online/on-the-fly, but without having the required amount of web knowledge. > > I'll be watching with interest, and it's sparked off a few ideas for 'intelligent' photo galleries... > > Ian > > On 8 May 2010, at 14:44, Jerry Daniels wrote: > >> Ian, YES that's exactly right. revServer is excellent for this chore and ones like it. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From chipp at altuit.com Sat May 8 15:22:12 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 14:22:12 -0500 Subject: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative In-Reply-To: <4BE5A44D.1000501@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> <2464B7431F8541428BA2AFCA51801302@GATEWAY> <4BE5A44D.1000501@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <513183A9-C19A-40F5-97C1-7B4863378605@altuit.com> Interesting. Very interesting. Richard, how long do you suppose until Apple bans web apps for the iPhone/iPad AppStore unless they are only made with their new tool? Chipp Walters CEO Shafer Walters Group, Inc President, Altuit, Inc On May 8, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > As of 8 May at 10:49 AM that's true. > > But it's not like Apple has no experience making authoring tools, > and it seems a slender leap to consider the possibility that they'll > turn out an IDE for this within the coming months. > > I'd wager they do. To NOT do so would hamper their strategy. From chipp at altuit.com Sat May 8 15:31:39 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 14:31:39 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> <59D0660B-918D-4154-97B2-8CE902AB16E5@azurevision.co.uk> <6A72A2DA-66F3-45EE-83FC-6B75411F295C@me.com> <6F2FC0BC-E28C-4185-9423-294606A22059@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <4783458F-C491-4D6F-A876-DDBFF4BA6BD7@altuit.com> On May 8, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > If Jerry can pull off an english-like page description interpreter, > my eyes are wide open and excited. > > What I have always wanted is a browser that goes way beyond "view > source", allowing instead an "edit mode" that allows direct > manipulation of page elements in vitro. Editing might mean resizing > a box or the width of a column simply by dragging it. It might mean > typing an english command "bigger font in the title", "no, twice as > big as the body text". It might mean talking while dragging "this > video should fade to black as it ends". > > But a first step is developing the translation semantics that work > between the base description protocol (XML, HTML5, PostScript, > Flash, what ever) and what people do and say when they want things > to change. > > I applaud Jerry's effort in this direction!!!!!! Yes, this indeed seems the direction Jerry and Sarah are headed. And from the early stage indications, quite exciting! > My only frustration is that Rodeo (and other high level solutions) > might remove the impetus for RunRev or some xtalk environment to > provide a smooth development ramp from the very human xtalk and the > very inhuman C and other industry standard binding languages that > allow universal publishing to any (or most any) hardware/OS > platform. Exporting source in C would allow xtalk developers to > work as humans and publish directly to industry standard compilers. I'm not anymore a frequent visitor of this list, but I can't remember such a feature being asked for in the past. Frankly, I wouldn't want a bunch of converted C code. I certainly wouldn't know what to do with it. The reason I chose Rev is so I wouldn't have to learn C. From mikekann at yahoo.com Sat May 8 16:28:22 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 13:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <188619.80988.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Randall Reetz: What I have always wanted is a browser that goes way beyond "view source", allowing instead an "edit mode" that allows direct manipulation of page elements in vitro. Your wish is my command: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 8 16:50:29 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 13:50:29 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos Message-ID: <20100508205031.TOXU24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> If you don't need to output C than you don't output c. I don't need gif output but photshop allows it for those that do... -----Original Message----- From: Chipp Walters Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 12:31 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos On May 8, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > If Jerry can pull off an english-like page description interpreter, > my eyes are wide open and excited. > > What I have always wanted is a browser that goes way beyond "view > source", allowing instead an "edit mode" that allows direct > manipulation of page elements in vitro. Editing might mean resizing > a box or the width of a column simply by dragging it. It might mean > typing an english command "bigger font in the title", "no, twice as > big as the body text". It might mean talking while dragging "this > video should fade to black as it ends". > > But a first step is developing the translation semantics that work > between the base description protocol (XML, HTML5, PostScript, > Flash, what ever) and what people do and say when they want things > to change. > > I applaud Jerry's effort in this direction!!!!!! Yes, this indeed seems the direction Jerry and Sarah are headed. And from the early stage indications, quite exciting! > My only frustration is that Rodeo (and other high level solutions) > might remove the impetus for RunRev or some xtalk environment to > provide a smooth development ramp from the very human xtalk and the > very inhuman C and other industry standard binding languages that > allow universal publishing to any (or most any) hardware/OS > platform. Exporting source in C would allow xtalk developers to > work as humans and publish directly to industry standard compilers. I'm not anymore a frequent visitor of this list, but I can't remember such a feature being asked for in the past. Frankly, I wouldn't want a bunch of converted C code. I certainly wouldn't know what to do with it. The reason I chose Rev is so I wouldn't have to learn C. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sat May 8 16:56:55 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 21:56:55 +0100 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <188619.80988.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <188619.80988.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 8 May 2010, at 21:28, Michael Kann wrote: > Randall Reetz: > > What I have always wanted is a browser that goes way beyond > "view source", allowing instead an "edit mode" that allows > direct manipulation of page elements in vitro. > > Your wish is my command: > > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 Or turning on the debug menu in Safari, then right-click on anything in the page and 'inspect element'. It's been a few years since all a browser would do was show you the source code. Ian From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 8 17:04:58 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 14:04:58 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos Message-ID: <20100508210501.DMMV5779.schemailmta08.cingularme.com@Inbox> Really, I can edit my web page in the browser just by drawing and dragging? Wrong. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Wood Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 1:56 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos On 8 May 2010, at 21:28, Michael Kann wrote: > Randall Reetz: > > What I have always wanted is a browser that goes way beyond > "view source", allowing instead an "edit mode" that allows > direct manipulation of page elements in vitro. > > Your wish is my command: > > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 Or turning on the debug menu in Safari, then right-click on anything in the page and 'inspect element'. It's been a few years since all a browser would do was show you the source code. Ian _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From josh at dvcreators.net Sat May 8 17:06:10 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 14:06:10 -0700 Subject: PDF import? In-Reply-To: <7DFED05E-54BE-404C-9B3C-20FB6BB23B33@gmail.com> References: <4BE41F0D.1090404@fourthworld.com> <619AE684-379E-42D1-959E-B7517AC2DE0C@gmail.com> <6A33163C-3A02-4E45-BF98-5DE16B25D242@dvcreators.net> <7DFED05E-54BE-404C-9B3C-20FB6BB23B33@gmail.com> Message-ID: We used Automator on Mac to convert to JPEG, then stored the images on a card in the stack. I will find some non-copyrighted content so I can show you. On May 8, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: > Can I look at what you've done? Sounds intriguing. Do you convert the PDFs to JPGs automatically on the fly? > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > On May 8, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > >> Peter, >> >> What we do is turn PDFs into individual JPEGs and we've built a cool viewer that offers single and two page display, jump to any chapter, does a simple wipe on page turns, and even plays randomly chosen page turn sounds if you want, which strangely enhances the experience! >> >> We also allow controlled printing, bypassing the print dialog to prevent "printing to PDF". >> >> Cheers, >> >> Josh >> >> On May 8, 2010, at 5:09 AM, Peter Brigham MD wrote: >> >>> Thanks for reminding me of the tempname, I'll end up using it. Thanks to William & Jim for trying out the browser window technique for displaying PDFs. I'll get busy trying these work-arounds. >>> >>> -- Peter >>> >>> Peter M. Brigham >>> pmbrig at gmail.com >>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig >>> >>> On May 7, 2010, at 12:40 PM, stephen barncard wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Peter, >>>> >>>> Not really. We are probably doing the things that "other" apps do - we just >>>> don't see it. Similarly, we can't do things like play audio from a variable >>>> - not sure why but it may be that there always has to be some kind of file >>>> to be a buffer for the audio to stream properly without glitches. >>>> >>>> You should check out , if you haven't already, the tempName.... >>>> >>>> On 7 May 2010 08:49, Peter Brigham MD wrote: >>>> >>>>> What I want to do is to import a PDF image into a stack as a customprop. I >>>>> anticipate using this for sensitive documents that will need to be contained >>>>> within a password-protected stack, and I don't want the files themselves >>>>> left on the user's disk drive. It looks as if I'll have to store the PDF >>>>> binary file as a customprop then delete the file, and then when the user >>>>> wants to access the stored file spit the PDF out to disk on demand for >>>>> viewing and printing using Preview, then delete the file from disk when >>>>> done. Is there any other way? Can I print an image from a player control? Or >>>>> even better, is there a Rev external that will convert PDF files to an >>>>> importable image? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at altuit.com Sat May 8 17:17:58 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 16:17:58 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <20100508205031.TOXU24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100508205031.TOXU24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <0109C7C7-8C30-4595-B1D2-D5D3576F002B@altuit.com> I take it, by reading your plethora of rather "uninformed" posts, you're not a technical person. So, it's understandable you would compare creating an Xtalk to C translator as trivial as exporting an image in GIF format. The fact is, it's not. If you think this is a marketable idea, then by all means run with it. You'll want to hire someone technical to help guide you. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 8, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > If you don't need to output C than you don't output c. I don't need gif output but photshop allows it for those that do... From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 8 17:38:57 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 14:38:57 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos Message-ID: <20100508213900.WHVK4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> I made no such claims. I said that such output capacity wouldn't interfere with day to day xtalk use. I write artificial intelligence. I have always used xtalk. It allows me to think and create using the same cognitive resources. It would not be trivial to get runrev to export C source. But it would be invaluable to users and to the longevity and reach of the runrev product and market. -----Original Message----- From: Chipp Walters Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 2:17 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos I take it, by reading your plethora of rather "uninformed" posts, you're not a technical person. So, it's understandable you would compare creating an Xtalk to C translator as trivial as exporting an image in GIF format. The fact is, it's not. If you think this is a marketable idea, then by all means run with it. You'll want to hire someone technical to help guide you. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 8, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > If you don't need to output C than you don't output c. I don't need gif output but photshop allows it for those that do... _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sat May 8 17:55:04 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 14:55:04 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <20100508213900.WHVK4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100508213900.WHVK4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <7F1F76D09C4243AB8333913C654377D8@GATEWAY> > resources. It would not be trivial to get runrev to export C > source. But it would be invaluable to users and to the > longevity and reach of the runrev product and market. It would definitely have an effect, but it may not be the best use of Rev resources. AFAIK, there are multiple bits of Rev in Rev and also in C/C++ precompiled chunks that go into a stack. I think it would be a nightmare sorting all that out on top of just a plain code generator. I believe there was a REALbasic-to-C or C++ generator produced by a third party, but I believe it flopped as a product. If you are working in artificial intelligence, you'd probably benefit from some of your project being compiled as an external. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From chipp at altuit.com Sat May 8 18:14:02 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 17:14:02 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <20100508213900.WHVK4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100508213900.WHVK4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <6358E7E1-45CD-4E03-BD87-BAC86E3EC876@altuit.com> On May 8, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I made no such claims. You did compare the two and I responded to your comparison. > I said that such output capacity wouldn't interfere with day to day xtalk use. I have no idea what that means. > I write artificial intelligence. Maybe I've read some of your books? > I have always used xtalk. Great. I'm fond of RevTalk. > It allows me to think and create using the same cognitive resources. You mean your brain? We're alike in that way- I use mine often as well. > It would not be trivial to get runrev to export C source. Yes, we're again agreed on this point. That's two! > But it would be invaluable to users and to the longevity and reach of the runrev product and market. Ack. There's the rub. Just because you believe it invaluable for yourself, doesn't make it invaluable to Rev. And the fact it is not yet any sort of current option would prove Rev's not that interested, for if they really thought they could make money with it, they would prioritize the feature. We've established you like xtalk. Why don't you spearhead a project to convert xtalk to C? I suspect, with your skills in writing books on AI, you could also include a really nice manual. Best of luck! From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 8 18:27:12 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:27:12 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos Message-ID: <20100508222714.ETDS22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> Lynn, we havwebeen a huge difference of opinion. Huge! Please plot runrev into the future as you see it. Then tell us why you see it that way and the motivations that support this opinion. -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Fredricks Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 2:55 PM To: 'How to use Revolution' Subject: RE: Check out Jerry's new videos > resources. It would not be trivial to get runrev to export C > source. But it would be invaluable to users and to the > longevity and reach of the runrev product and market. It would definitely have an effect, but it may not be the best use of Rev resources. AFAIK, there are multiple bits of Rev in Rev and also in C/C++ precompiled chunks that go into a stack. I think it would be a nightmare sorting all that out on top of just a plain code generator. I believe there was a REALbasic-to-C or C++ generator produced by a third party, but I believe it flopped as a product. If you are working in artificial intelligence, you'd probably benefit from some of your project being compiled as an external. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 8 18:27:59 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:27:59 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos Message-ID: <20100508222802.IJTL15350.schemailmta07.cingularme.com@Inbox> I made no such comparison. Period. -----Original Message----- From: Chipp Walters Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:14 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos On May 8, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I made no such claims. You did compare the two and I responded to your comparison. > I said that such output capacity wouldn't interfere with day to day xtalk use. I have no idea what that means. > I write artificial intelligence. Maybe I've read some of your books? > I have always used xtalk. Great. I'm fond of RevTalk. > It allows me to think and create using the same cognitive resources. You mean your brain? We're alike in that way- I use mine often as well. > It would not be trivial to get runrev to export C source. Yes, we're again agreed on this point. That's two! > But it would be invaluable to users and to the longevity and reach of the runrev product and market. Ack. There's the rub. Just because you believe it invaluable for yourself, doesn't make it invaluable to Rev. And the fact it is not yet any sort of current option would prove Rev's not that interested, for if they really thought they could make money with it, they would prioritize the feature. We've established you like xtalk. Why don't you spearhead a project to convert xtalk to C? I suspect, with your skills in writing books on AI, you could also include a really nice manual. Best of luck! _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 8 18:30:29 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:30:29 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos Message-ID: <20100508223032.ZXVF24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Chip, please take my post, and show how I made the comparison you are claiming I made. Show us all. -----Original Message----- From: Chipp Walters Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:14 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos On May 8, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I made no such claims. You did compare the two and I responded to your comparison. > I said that such output capacity wouldn't interfere with day to day xtalk use. I have no idea what that means. > I write artificial intelligence. Maybe I've read some of your books? > I have always used xtalk. Great. I'm fond of RevTalk. > It allows me to think and create using the same cognitive resources. You mean your brain? We're alike in that way- I use mine often as well. > It would not be trivial to get runrev to export C source. Yes, we're again agreed on this point. That's two! > But it would be invaluable to users and to the longevity and reach of the runrev product and market. Ack. There's the rub. Just because you believe it invaluable for yourself, doesn't make it invaluable to Rev. And the fact it is not yet any sort of current option would prove Rev's not that interested, for if they really thought they could make money with it, they would prioritize the feature. We've established you like xtalk. Why don't you spearhead a project to convert xtalk to C? I suspect, with your skills in writing books on AI, you could also include a really nice manual. Best of luck! _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 8 18:47:51 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:47:51 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos Message-ID: <20100508224753.ZYWG486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> I have asked before. I will ask again. Who on this list is are stakeholder with runrev? I would like to know when I am getting direct line from the company and when I am simply talking to another xtalk user/developer. -----Original Message----- From: Randall Lee Reetz Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:30 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: Check out Jerry's new videos Chip, please take my post, and show how I made the comparison you are claiming I made. Show us all. -----Original Message----- From: Chipp Walters Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:14 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos On May 8, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I made no such claims. You did compare the two and I responded to your comparison. > I said that such output capacity wouldn't interfere with day to day xtalk use. I have no idea what that means. > I write artificial intelligence. Maybe I've read some of your books? > I have always used xtalk. Great. I'm fond of RevTalk. > It allows me to think and create using the same cognitive resources. You mean your brain? We're alike in that way- I use mine often as well. > It would not be trivial to get runrev to export C source. Yes, we're again agreed on this point. That's two! > But it would be invaluable to users and to the longevity and reach of the runrev product and market. Ack. There's the rub. Just because you believe it invaluable for yourself, doesn't make it invaluable to Rev. And the fact it is not yet any sort of current option would prove Rev's not that interested, for if they really thought they could make money with it, they would prioritize the feature. We've established you like xtalk. Why don't you spearhead a project to convert xtalk to C? I suspect, with your skills in writing books on AI, you could also include a really nice manual. Best of luck! _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 8 18:56:51 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:56:51 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos Message-ID: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> That runrev could export C source would in no way interfere with the ongoing activity of runrev users (should they choose not to export their stacks into C source). The capacity to output C SOURCE WOULD OPEN THE REACH OF REV USERS TO ALMOST ANY PLATFORM AND IN A PROFESSIONAL LEVEL. CODE COMPILED IN C RUNS WAY WAY WAY FASTER IN ALMOST ALL SITUATIONS. BYTE CODE IS SLOW IN COMPARISON. INTERPRETED EVEN MORE SO. (SORRY ABOUT THE UPPERCASE... MY PHONE IS STUCK). -----Original Message----- From: Chipp Walters Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:14 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos On May 8, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I made no such claims. You did compare the two and I responded to your comparison. > I said that such output capacity wouldn't interfere with day to day xtalk use. I have no idea what that means. > I write artificial intelligence. Maybe I've read some of your books? > I have always used xtalk. Great. I'm fond of RevTalk. > It allows me to think and create using the same cognitive resources. You mean your brain? We're alike in that way- I use mine often as well. > It would not be trivial to get runrev to export C source. Yes, we're again agreed on this point. That's two! > But it would be invaluable to users and to the longevity and reach of the runrev product and market. Ack. There's the rub. Just because you believe it invaluable for yourself, doesn't make it invaluable to Rev. And the fact it is not yet any sort of current option would prove Rev's not that interested, for if they really thought they could make money with it, they would prioritize the feature. We've established you like xtalk. Why don't you spearhead a project to convert xtalk to C? I suspect, with your skills in writing books on AI, you could also include a really nice manual. Best of luck! _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat May 8 19:15:03 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 09:15:03 +1000 Subject: MySQL driver in Windows standalones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:38 PM, paolo mazza wrote: > Why from a stack using the MySQL commands i get a single file application > for the ?MACOS platform and a file with the Externals folder (with dirvers + > .dll file) if I build the standalone for the windows platform? > > Can I have a windows application with the MySQL drivers embedded in a single > file (like for the mac?) ? A Mac app is actually a folder but the .app extension on the folder tells OS X to treat it like a single file. If you right-click/control-click on an app, you can select "Show Package Contents" from the popup menu and have a look at what is inside the app folder. You will find all your externals in there. But is does make distribution very nice when you can hide all these sorts of files inside this app folder, and Windows has no equivalent. The best option I think is to use an Installer creation program to bundle all these files into a single installer app. Then the installer can put the externals in your app folder or in the system folder or wherever you decide. Cheers, Sarah From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat May 8 19:31:50 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 16:31:50 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <9E692649-FEEB-47A8-94DB-92B0D7869DE7@tactilemedia.com> On May 8, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > BYTE CODE IS SLOW IN COMPARISON. INTERPRETED EVEN MORE SO. (SORRY ABOUT THE UPPERCASE... MY PHONE IS STUCK). CUPERTINO, CA. Today, Apple Inc announced that it will no longer accept input of lowercase letters on its mobile devices. CEO Steve Jobs has written a public statement (all caps) stating the reasoning behind Apple's recent character removal was to lessen energy demands Apple's iPhone OS. Developers are furious and fear that punctuation may be targeted next. Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design > > From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 8 19:35:26 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 16:35:26 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos Message-ID: <20100508233529.UXAX6535.schemailmta06.cingularme.com@Inbox> That is funny. Maybe I should wait even longer... for iphone 10. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Rossi Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 4:31 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos On May 8, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > BYTE CODE IS SLOW IN COMPARISON. INTERPRETED EVEN MORE SO. (SORRY ABOUT THE UPPERCASE... MY PHONE IS STUCK). CUPERTINO, CA. Today, Apple Inc announced that it will no longer accept input of lowercase letters on its mobile devices. CEO Steve Jobs has written a public statement (all caps) stating the reasoning behind Apple's recent character removal was to lessen energy demands Apple's iPhone OS. Developers are furious and fear that punctuation may be targeted next. Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design > > _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat May 8 19:38:34 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 09:38:34 +1000 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <1273306578663-2135961.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> <1273306578663-2135961.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > > "Peter, you don't need the On-Rev client app to use On-Rev." > > But don't you need the browser plug-in to use the pages you've made? ?For > instance, I seemingly can't get to the parts of your site that are Rev > based, because of no plug-in. ? Or is this a mistake? My web site is entirely built using On-Rev, mainly as a custom CMS, so I can edit it easily using just text files and the content gets formatted automatically. There are a few revlets available which you will not be able to access, but they are mainly for demonstration purposes and not actually a functional part of the web site. If there is anything else that you cannot access, I would really like to know what, so I can try to fix it. > Can you step through it, ?you want to make a web app, usable through the > browser, either on the local machine ?or on a local server, or on the On-Rev > server. ?What bits exactly do you have to use from Rev? The actual Rodeo desktop editor will be built in Rev and the web apps will rely on using On-Rev servers to do the conversions from the Rodeo scripting to HTML/CSS/Javascript. Cheers, Sarah From randall at randallreetz.com Sat May 8 19:51:30 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 16:51:30 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos Message-ID: <20100508235133.JTDM22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> Sarah, would you please show us what rodeo "LIST" would look like. I would like to see a sample of the new language I rodeo users would be expected to learn. Is there a current scripting or markup language or API that would serve the purpose of comparison for now? How about an example that would show small circles bouncing around billiard-like and reacting to the presence of eachother (collision and exaggerated gravity). Maybe add in acceleration and tilt as user inputs. Thanks, Randall -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Reichelt Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 4:38 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > > "Peter, you don't need the On-Rev client app to use On-Rev." > > But don't you need the browser plug-in to use the pages you've made? ?For > instance, I seemingly can't get to the parts of your site that are Rev > based, because of no plug-in. ? Or is this a mistake? My web site is entirely built using On-Rev, mainly as a custom CMS, so I can edit it easily using just text files and the content gets formatted automatically. There are a few revlets available which you will not be able to access, but they are mainly for demonstration purposes and not actually a functional part of the web site. If there is anything else that you cannot access, I would really like to know what, so I can try to fix it. > Can you step through it, ?you want to make a web app, usable through the > browser, either on the local machine ?or on a local server, or on the On-Rev > server. ?What bits exactly do you have to use from Rev? The actual Rodeo desktop editor will be built in Rev and the web apps will rely on using On-Rev servers to do the conversions from the Rodeo scripting to HTML/CSS/Javascript. Cheers, Sarah _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sat May 8 20:29:07 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 17:29:07 -0700 Subject: Three Years of Rev (was RE: Check out Jerry's new videos) In-Reply-To: <20100508222714.ETDS22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100508222714.ETDS22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <0F5D135E8B634E2B97E92A0A8480A55C@GATEWAY> > Lynn, we havwebeen a huge difference of opinion. Huge! > Please plot runrev into the future as you see it. Then tell > us why you see it that way and the motivations that support > this opinion. There's wishful thinking and then there's my perspective on the company and the product it makes. What would *I* do, over the next three years (and if my end game doesn't occur in that time)? - Focus on mobile targets (Android, Netbooks, try to weasel a deal with MS for Windows Phone/XNA/Xbox, don't depend on Apple, but reciprocate any love shown) - Explore ways to take advantage of hardware acceleration for graphics and have a 64 bit strategy - Strongly support 1-2 major Linuxes and make Linux only compilation free - Rev/PHP like System with a Web Interface builder/translator; Application Server - Improve back end code so that its easier to generate new platform sources with the least amount of trouble - Come up with a way to more easily "package" various web APIs and put that into the Enterprise product - Really good version control for Enterprise - Improve efficiency/performance of component/External usage - Make it easier for third parties to put in various wizards, etc into the Rev interface without messing it up The challenge with selling development tools is that you make a terribly complex product that is expensive to support and has a small potential user base. So finding ways to lower support costs and increasing the potential user base suggests a few strategies. Runrev has to be profitable to keep developing, and the more "hot" platforms you have, the more dollar signs will appear in the eyes of potential customers. Android/Tablets/Netbooks/Phones are begging for a good way to get vertical applications on them. Back end coding has to go through iterative processes though to make sure it becomes less and less problematic to add new targets. I don't know what the situation is with the Rev code, but I know its something we've done really successfully at Paradigma. Id expect Rev to be much, much more complicated. As this gets better, code translation as you suggest may be a lot less trouble than it probably is right now to implement, and therefore a strategy that doesn't require betting the company on to try (later). You get Linux to pay for itself through the cross compilation system. A free Linux version that works well also is a great option for the educational market and academics and can be THE educational initiative. That's a long term investment but if done right can push a bit of Java out of our education system. Learners become buyers, advocates/influencers, etc. Team up with other companies that are focused on Linux in education. Yes, Id give some love to Windows and Mac OS for academics but that's not where I would set my mark. Id dedicate a person hired *specifically* for this. An Application Server system requires a lot of thought and investment, both for planning development and its relationship to "rev", and also on planning how to deal with market acceptance. This is a good way though for Rev to generate revenue on a per deployment basis. A lot of these may sound sort of familiar ;-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynn Fredricks > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 2:55 PM > To: 'How to use Revolution' > Subject: RE: Check out Jerry's new videos > > > resources. It would not be trivial to get runrev to export > C source. > > But it would be invaluable to users and to the longevity > and reach of > > the runrev product and market. > > It would definitely have an effect, but it may not be the > best use of Rev resources. AFAIK, there are multiple bits of > Rev in Rev and also in C/C++ precompiled chunks that go into > a stack. I think it would be a nightmare sorting all that out > on top of just a plain code generator. > > I believe there was a REALbasic-to-C or C++ generator > produced by a third party, but I believe it flopped as a product. > > If you are working in artificial intelligence, you'd probably > benefit from some of your project being compiled as an external. > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > President > Paradigma Software > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From katir at hindu.org Sat May 8 21:29:56 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Web Admin Himalayan Academy) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 15:29:56 -1000 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> <1273306578663-2135961.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BE61014.2050807@hindu.org> On 5/8/10 1:38 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > The actual Rodeo desktop editor will be built in Rev and the web apps > will rely on using On-Rev servers to do the conversions from the Rodeo > scripting to HTML/CSS/Javascript. > > Cheers, > Sarah > We need to see some actual examples of the end result of this product. Can you post some URL's of "web apps" produced by Rodeo? thanks skts From katir at hindu.org Sat May 8 21:53:08 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 15:53:08 -1000 Subject: OT: Resources for Data Base Design Message-ID: <4BE61584.9040904@hindu.org> I'm working on a content management database based on the Dublin Core and the Media Annotation Initiative. Much of the whole mode of discourse and terms translate well into a database scheme but when the discourse starts to talking about fine tuning and switches to an RDF framework it is difficult to grok in terms of translating some of the principles into actual table-field structures in a PostGreSQL dbase. the Dubline Core seems in some respects a very abstract realm... but things are different where rubber hits the road. I've looked pretty closely at the databases generated by XOOPS, Drupal and Word Press and frankly, they are freaky scary. I see a hodge podge of strategies, each differing -- depends on whose design the module whose tables you are looking at. That's why I want to stay with Dublin Core where the "human readability" principle is kept in the forefront of design. I'm pretty close to designing a schema that I think can contain pretty much all the metadata for any video, text or audio, translations pamphlets etc. FAQ that we have. I supposed we are re-inventing the wheel a bit, but in the end we will get something that is a good match for our needs and we will not be boxed into framework of a monster CMS that we cannot customize without spending huge $ on PHP-module consultants... (been there, done that, nightmare) Metadata for a video or a sound file or an image is simple enough.... The part of the data base I'm unable to finish of is that which deals with text fragments. I think I posted this before on this list but got no responses. If anyone knows what would be the best list or group I should go to, to get help, let me know. What I'm interested in should be pretty standard stuff in the world of academia: e.g. if you want a data base to contain the most atomic elements of a text resource (one record for every single verse of every single poem from a book where the poems are divided into chapters and the chapters into sections and the sections into parts of a book, and the book is one volume in a series...) what is the best schema which allows you to query the data base to re-aggregate all those elements into it's original source document, run time (or on a cron or periodically post modifications) AND OR what other approaches might better serve the end game (be able to query for a single verse with complete citation; be able to query for an entire poem with citation; be able to query for a complete chapter of poems with a citation ... etc.) I have some solutions in mind, and I may just proceed with those, and refactor later if something better comes along...but I would love to hear from some experts and seem some existing models. Any ideas of where to go looking for mangos? Sivakatirswami From jerry.daniels at me.com Sat May 8 22:52:24 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 21:52:24 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <4BE61014.2050807@hindu.org> References: <1273276325531-2135783.post@n4.nabble.com> <76177E65-C5C0-41BF-AECE-B8C5B9F0B49A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273279472010-2135805.post@n4.nabble.com> <1273306578663-2135961.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BE61014.2050807@hindu.org> Message-ID: <300F2362-4026-4A78-99B9-57C2634773B5@me.com> As I pointed out in the Roadmap video, we are in the process of developing Rodeo. Here's what and when: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-roadmap We're announcing now in order to Kickstart the project: http://rodeoapps.com/getting-there-faster-0 I also felt now was a good time to inject the list with a sense of purpose and direction, rather than the FUD that arose from the sudden, unexpected change of course from Apple. We're heading somewhere new and exciting with Rev. It seemed to me like a good time announce. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 8, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Web Admin Himalayan Academy wrote: > On 5/8/10 1:38 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> The actual Rodeo desktop editor will be built in Rev and the web apps >> will rely on using On-Rev servers to do the conversions from the Rodeo >> scripting to HTML/CSS/Javascript. >> >> Cheers, >> Sarah >> > We need to see some actual examples of the end result of this product. Can you post some URL's of "web apps" produced by Rodeo? > > thanks > skts > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at chipp.com Sat May 8 23:47:35 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 22:47:35 -0500 Subject: OT: Resources for Data Base Design In-Reply-To: <4BE61584.9040904@hindu.org> References: <4BE61584.9040904@hindu.org> Message-ID: Hi Sivakatirswami, FYI, I don't really understand what it is you are trying to accomplish, but I have had some excellent results using WordPress. If you're into WP at all, there's a must have book by Chris Coyier, "Digging into WordPress." The great thing with WP is besides being open source, there are literally thousands of plugins-- and developers for hire-- to help you out in your project. We created this site using WordPress: http://www.ciginsurance.com Best of luck, Chipp From chipp at chipp.com Sun May 9 00:03:36 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 23:03:36 -0500 Subject: Three Years of Rev (was RE: Check out Jerry's new videos) In-Reply-To: <0F5D135E8B634E2B97E92A0A8480A55C@GATEWAY> References: <20100508222714.ETDS22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> <0F5D135E8B634E2B97E92A0A8480A55C@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Lynn, How would you suggest paying for all of this? Just wondering... Do you really think the current revenue stream can prop up this luxurious road map? I personally would rather see RunRev trim their efforts and focus better on technologies which can provide best in class cross platform solutions. Even if this means cutting back on the number of initiatives. I've never really thought the rev plugin was a good idea, and now with Apple's gunsights focussed directly on Flash's proprietary plugin, it's easy to see why. Of course if it's just 'a compile away' then it's probably no big deal-- but that has not seemed to be the case up to now. Linux? I suppose targeting a specific platform, or two-- but does it really make any money? Can a small company like RR afford to support and provide free product to a platform which generates (my guess) single digit percentage figures of total revenue? I'd try and shore up the Apache Module, and sell it for a decent fee-- especially if there's a work flow aspect to it with good documentation. That is where one could raise some money quickly-- IMO. But putting it together with a whole Web App framework, is way too much for this crowd and this company. Leave that up to the Rodeo's of the world-- it's a HUGE job. You need an expert DOM expert, Javascript expert, HTML5 expert, CSS expert, cross-browser expert, not to mention a great architect and some serious time on your hands to develop a complete framework. Just my 2 cents. On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Lynn Fredricks < lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote: > > - Focus on mobile targets (Android, Netbooks, try to weasel a deal with MS > for Windows Phone/XNA/Xbox, don't depend on Apple, but reciprocate any love > shown) > - Explore ways to take advantage of hardware acceleration for graphics and > have a 64 bit strategy > - Strongly support 1-2 major Linuxes and make Linux only compilation free > - Rev/PHP like System with a Web Interface builder/translator; Application > Server > - Improve back end code so that its easier to generate new platform sources > with the least amount of trouble > - Come up with a way to more easily "package" various web APIs and put that > into the Enterprise product > - Really good version control for Enterprise > - Improve efficiency/performance of component/External usage > - Make it easier for third parties to put in various wizards, etc into the > Rev interface without messing it up > > The challenge with selling development tools is that you make a terribly > complex product that is expensive to support and has a small potential user > base. So finding ways to lower support costs and increasing the potential > user base suggests a few strategies. > > Runrev has to be profitable to keep developing, and the more "hot" > platforms > you have, the more dollar signs will appear in the eyes of potential > customers. Android/Tablets/Netbooks/Phones are begging for a good way to > get > vertical applications on them. > > Back end coding has to go through iterative processes though to make sure > it > becomes less and less problematic to add new targets. I don't know what the > situation is with the Rev code, but I know its something we've done really > successfully at Paradigma. Id expect Rev to be much, much more complicated. > > As this gets better, code translation as you suggest may be a lot less > trouble than it probably is right now to implement, and therefore a > strategy > that doesn't require betting the company on to try (later). > > You get Linux to pay for itself through the cross compilation system. > > A free Linux version that works well also is a great option for the > educational market and academics and can be THE educational initiative. > That's a long term investment but if done right can push a bit of Java out > of our education system. Learners become buyers, advocates/influencers, > etc. > Team up with other companies that are focused on Linux in education. Yes, > Id > give some love to Windows and Mac OS for academics but that's not where I > would set my mark. Id dedicate a person hired *specifically* for this. > > An Application Server system requires a lot of thought and investment, both > for planning development and its relationship to "rev", and also on > planning > how to deal with market acceptance. This is a good way though for Rev to > generate revenue on a per deployment basis. > > A lot of these may sound sort of familiar ;-) > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > President > Paradigma Software > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lynn Fredricks > > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 2:55 PM > > To: 'How to use Revolution' > > Subject: RE: Check out Jerry's new videos > > > > > resources. It would not be trivial to get runrev to export > > C source. > > > But it would be invaluable to users and to the longevity > > and reach of > > > the runrev product and market. > > > > It would definitely have an effect, but it may not be the > > best use of Rev resources. AFAIK, there are multiple bits of > > Rev in Rev and also in C/C++ precompiled chunks that go into > > a stack. I think it would be a nightmare sorting all that out > > on top of just a plain code generator. > > > > I believe there was a REALbasic-to-C or C++ generator > > produced by a third party, but I believe it flopped as a product. > > > > If you are working in artificial intelligence, you'd probably > > benefit from some of your project being compiled as an external. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Lynn Fredricks > > President > > Paradigma Software > > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > > your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > > your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com Sun May 9 02:02:36 2010 From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 09:02:36 +0300 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: On 9/5/10 1:56 AM, "Randall Lee Reetz" wrote: > That runrev could export C source would in no way interfere with the ongoing > activity of runrev users (should they choose not to export their stacks into C > source). > > The capacity to output C SOURCE WOULD OPEN THE REACH OF REV USERS TO ALMOST > ANY PLATFORM AND IN A PROFESSIONAL LEVEL. CODE COMPILED IN C RUNS WAY WAY WAY > FASTER IN ALMOST ALL SITUATIONS. BYTE CODE IS SLOW IN COMPARISON. > INTERPRETED EVEN MORE SO. (SORRY ABOUT THE UPPERCASE... MY PHONE IS STUCK). Hi guys, I have miss start of this thread about videos, But it seems here is discussed REV to C/C++ or Obj-C And I want say - YES this looks for me as the best choice for REV. Why not? And this can open way to iPhone as I understand. RevMobile before it seems was going generate c# sources? Strange choice as for me. Main engine should go to C, Some parts of REV project also to C And GUI part of REV project to ObjC - Cocoa. In this way you don't break iPhone OS v4 license. And it is possible to automate in background full process: generation of sources, xcode project, compile and link true iphone APP. all in tmp folder .. all by single click BUILD in REV. I do not see technical problems her. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 9 02:28:05 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 01:28:05 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: > RevMobile before it seems was going generate c# sources? > Strange choice as for me. > > Main engine should go to C, > Some parts of REV project also to C > And GUI part of REV project to ObjC - Cocoa. > This is forbidden by the new license. There can be no translations. All work must be created originally by Apple-specified tools. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 9 04:28:04 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 10:28:04 +0200 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Le 9 mai 2010 ? 08:28, J. Landman Gay a ?crit : > This is forbidden by the new license. There can be no translations. All work must be created originally by Apple-specified tools. This is outside my powers of comprehension... Both points of view technical (if it is possible...), ethical and juridical (legal ?), I don't understand (I can't understand ?)... Is this a cultural problem ? Is this a linguistic problem ;-) ? What mean "translations" ? What mean "originally" ? I mentioned this in another post and some have understood (and approved) my point of view... The above argument is invariably advanced, but is it an Apple's argument ? My job is, in another, write specifications for contracts, and what I read about (because I could not read directly concerned ?) in ? 3.3.1 does not seem admissible in France's legal perspective. In France the law is above the contract, perhaps is it different in the USA (?). The debate remains open on the subject( I apologize to those who are not interested in the subject) keeps coming back (is it a manifestation of "eternal return" dear to Nietzsche?)... Ren? From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sun May 9 04:53:40 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 09:53:40 +0100 Subject: rev-web, revbrowser, on-rev, Linux, help! Message-ID: <201005090953.40603.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Sarah, your new demo applets all seem to work, and very nice too, I was thinking of some in the past that required the plugin to be installed in the browser, and of course there wasn't one for Linux. So basically it goes like this, doesn't it? We want to write on-rev material, we can, we use a text editor, then we load it onto the Rev run on-rev server, and it works fine in Linux or anything else, in any web browser. Presumably there's a handbook with a guide for how to do this someplace. We don't have the on-rev desktop client which might make life easer, but we can do it. What we need for this is a subscription to the on-Rev hosting service. I'm not thinking of doing this at the moment, so this not going to be available. If Rev eventually releases the server package, then it would be in principle possible to do this on any server where it was loaded, but we are not there yet. RevBrowser would, if we had it, display ordinary web pages hosted anyplace in a stack. We can't do this because it does not exist for Linux. The browser plugins, if we had them, but we don't, would basically let us run stacks compiled for this purpose in a browser window. They could be hosted anyplace, not just the Rev server. We don't have this plugin for Linux, so we can't do it. But we can compile such stacks, and people running Windows and OSX will be able to run them, as long as they install the browser plug in. It doesn't really appeal to me, to write apps that my own OS will not run, but I do understand that it is possible. Then there is Rodeo. If we could get Rodeo, it would let us write pages in a special client, is that right? And then we could compile them to run in any Web browser and host them on any server? But right now we cannot get that either, because it is only for iPhone OS. Its a bit confusing, I hope this is right. Its like, you are on holiday, you go for a long invigorating swim, and come back hungry to the breakfast buffet, only to realize that the only thing on it you are allowed to eat is some low fat cottage cheese, and maybe one cup of unsweetened black coffee. And the cottage cheese is, well, not exactly fresh.... Peter From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Sun May 9 05:02:19 2010 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 10:02:19 +0100 Subject: Accessing data from HID compliant USB device In-Reply-To: <20100508133824.A363B2883D3@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100508133824.A363B2883D3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <211385B1-3A08-4C22-86E6-4FDF09239CF3@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk> On 8 May 2010, at 2:38 pm, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > Subject: Re: Accessing data from HID compliant USB device > Reply-To: How to use Revolution > > >> This one has been churning around in my head for ages, and I finally bought a couple of joysticks to experiment with. >> >> I want to build a standalone that responds to joystick input. Nothing requiring huge amounts of data or processing, just detection of joystick position -> onscreen response scaling or moving an image. >> >> I can understand the basic principles of HID, but can't get to grips with where the data goes in either Mac or Windows, and what would be involved in capturing it in Rev. I have found some developer articles which address this, but they relate to other languages (VB & RB, I think). > > > Does the joystick produce keyDown/Up or rawKeyDown/Up messages? If so, > you could map out the numbers that each motion triggers and have your > app react accordingly. > There is a utility on my web site that detects keystrokes and displays > the various codes for them. > > > Cheers, > Sarah Thanks Sarah, I wrote a wee stack to look at keystrokes (not as nice as yours), but it seems that HID compliant devices work in a much more complex way than simply generating characters. Except of course the keyboard/mouse family, which do nothing but generate characters. I even bought a repro-retro amiga joystick in the hope that it worked the old fashioned way, but it doesn't. I really want the mechanical element of pushing and pulling to be present, otherwise I would use a mouse or a keyboard. There are utilities out there which enable HID devices to be configured to generate keystrokes, so they can be used by folks with a disability to use whatever software they need to use, rather than the intended games. However, that would mean running a third party utility then running my stack. Not a nice option. There are some assistive devices that seem to generate keystrokes, but they are shockingly expensive. Makes you realise there is a real disability tax when it comes to using computers. I also had expected a few Revvers to have written standalone games that use joysticks, but maybe that domain is restricted to the die-hard X-planers and shoot em ups. David Glasgow From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun May 9 05:16:03 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 19:16:03 +1000 Subject: rev-web, revbrowser, on-rev, Linux, help! In-Reply-To: <201005090953.40603.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> References: <201005090953.40603.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: > So basically it goes like this, doesn't it? > > We want to write on-rev material, we can, we use a text editor, then we > load it onto the Rev run on-rev server, and it works fine in Linux or > anything else, in any web browser. ?Presumably there's a handbook with a > guide for how to do this someplace. ?We don't have the on-rev desktop > client which might make life easer, but we can do it. Yes. > What we need for this is a subscription to the on-Rev hosting service. ?I'm > not thinking of doing this at the moment, so this not going to be > available. ?If Rev eventually releases the server package, then it would be > in principle possible to do this on any server where it was loaded, but we > are not there yet. Correct - the revServer is supposed to be available for installation on other servers sometime this year, I believe. > RevBrowser would, if we had it, display ordinary web pages hosted anyplace > in a stack. ?We can't do this because it does not exist for Linux. Yes. > The browser plugins, if we had them, but we don't, would basically let us > run stacks compiled for this purpose in a browser window. ?They could be > hosted anyplace, not just the Rev server. ?We don't have this plugin for > Linux, so we can't do it. > > But we can compile such stacks, and people running Windows and OSX will be > able to run them, as long as they install the browser plug in. ? It doesn't > really appeal to me, to write apps that my own OS will not run, but I do > understand that it is possible. Yes, although it is browser-specific. I can't get it to work in Chrome on my Mac, although it works fine in Safari. > Then there is Rodeo. ?If we could get Rodeo, it would let us write pages in > a special client, is that right? ?And then we could compile them to run in > any Web browser and host them on any server? ?But right now we cannot get > that either, because it is only for iPhone OS. The idea with Rodeo is to give people an easier way to create web apps, targeted at the iPad. Cheers, Sarah From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sun May 9 06:28:40 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 03:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1273400920787-2164329.post@n4.nabble.com> Rene, it is really quite simple what is happening. Apple has an App Store. As part of the license for the OS that runs on the device, you are allowed to install apps only from that App store. They then say that only Apps written in certain ways will be allowed into the App store. They can set whatever conditions they want, on both of these topics, subject to the conditions on contract law in general in a given jurisdiction. Any conditions which are deemed by the courts to be contractually enforceable can be set both on whether you can install apps from other places than the app store, and whether you can write apps in other languages than the ones specified. In addition, they do not have to list anything they do not feel like listing in their App store. This is just the way the law is in the US. In addition to the contractual restrictions which you are deemed to enter into, if an end user by accepting the license terms on first use, or if a developer by entering into the development agreement, there is another underlying issue. That is that it is well established in US law that to load a program, any program, is to make a copy of it. When you do that, you require permission from the copyright holder, who may place conditions on that permission. Now, there are exemptions from this, if you have purchased a copy, and it is a program, you then may make such copies as are essential to use it. But while this may get you past modifications for your own use, the exemptions do not allow you to modify and then pass on. So you can do it for yourself, you cannot do it as a business. There is little point arguing or puzzling over the legal aspects of this. They probably can, absent decisive action on competition grounds, specify both whether you may jailbreak the devices, and what languages you use to develop for them, so they probably do have the legal power to enforce the lockdown. And anyway, jailbreaking is sort of academic. its not going to happen on any scale big enough to create an interesting market. You notice how similar the case is to the different issue of whether you may buy a retail copy of OSX and install it on a white box. The underlying issue is whether a company can specify things about how their product can be used, after they have sold it, and restrict use on purely contractual rather than technical grounds. It is a can of worms, especially in all the different EC jurisdictions, but in the short term, and certainly in the US, the argument is basically over - for all practical financial purposes. I would stop worrying about the legalese, the cans and can'ts. They almost certainly can, at least in the short term. Rodeo is a practical answer to a contractual problem that you're not going to get any other solution to, in time for it to make much financial difference to you. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2164329.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sun May 9 07:24:40 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 19:24:40 +0800 Subject: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative In-Reply-To: <513183A9-C19A-40F5-97C1-7B4863378605@altuit.com> References: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> <2464B7431F8541428BA2AFCA51801302@GATEWAY> <4BE5A44D.1000501@fourthworld.com> <513183A9-C19A-40F5-97C1-7B4863378605@altuit.com> Message-ID: On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Interesting. Very interesting. > > Richard, how long do you suppose until Apple bans web apps for the > iPhone/iPad AppStore unless they are only made with their new tool? > > > Probably shortly after they make it illegal to lend your MacBook to your mother/brother etc. Oh wait, he's already done that: 5. NO RENTAL/COMMERCIAL HOSTING. You may not rent, lease, lend or provide commercial hosting services with the Software. So maybe shortly after they make it impossible for you to sell your iMac on eBay. Oh wait, he's already done that: 13. SOFTWARE TRANSFER. Internal. You may move the Software to a different Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the Software from the former Workstation Computer. Transfer to Third Party. The initial user of the Software may make a one-time permanent transfer of this EULA and Software to another end user, provided the initial user retains no copies of the Software. This transfer must include all of the Software (including all component parts, the media and printed materials, any upgrades, this EULA, and, if applicable, the Certificate of Authenticity). The transfer may not be an indirect transfer, such as a consignment. Prior to the transfer, the end user receiving the Software must agree to all the EULA terms. Note that if you were to sell your iMac on eBay and you had ANY back-up copies of your hard drive you'd be in direct breach of this clause. Oh, wait a minute, I'm sorry, I got the wrong EULA out, this is the Bill Gates EULA but I'm sure the Steve Jobs one says the same thing. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/eula/home.mspx Interesting what the fine print says. From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 9 07:56:47 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 07:56:47 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On May 9, 2010, at 4:28 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > > What mean "translations" ? What mean "originally" ? Literally, if you write a single line of your Rev stack using a 'Talk syntax (ask "What is your name" for example), you've gone against the license agreement, because it takes a translation layer to convert that into Apple's approved way of working. It doesn't matter whether the translation happens at runtime, or is done by the compiler, it's still not allowed. From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 9 08:09:59 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 14:09:59 +0200 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Have you the exact terms of the license? I could not read the license agreement to iPhone SDK 4.0 as is usually the case when opening an application and I found nothing on the Apple site. I would like, to understand what it is, consider the exact terms of this license and if possible in French. Where can I get this document? Thank you Rene Le 9 mai 2010 ? 13:56, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > > On May 9, 2010, at 4:28 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> >> What mean "translations" ? What mean "originally" ? > > Literally, if you write a single line of your Rev stack using a 'Talk syntax (ask "What is your name" for example), you've gone against the license agreement, because it takes a translation layer to convert that into Apple's approved way of working. It doesn't matter whether the translation happens at runtime, or is done by the compiler, it's still not allowed. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 9 08:21:08 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 14:21:08 +0200 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <8A3B1DB7-9CE0-4D4C-84A7-8A9DD7213FF6@numericable.com> Is this correct ? iPhone SDK license 4.0 version ? : 3.3.1 Applications may only use Published APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any unpublished or private APIs. 3.3.2 An Application may not itself install or launch other executable code by any means, including without limitation through the use of a plug-in architecture, calling other frameworks, other APIs or otherwise. No interpreted code may be downloaded and used in an Application except for code that is interpreted and run by Apple's Published APIs and built- in interpreter(s). 3.3.3 Without Apple?s prior written approval, an Application may not provide, unlock or enable additional features or functionality through distribution mechanisms other than the App Store. 3.3.4 An Application may write data on a device only to the Application's designated container area, except as otherwise specified by Apple. Le 9 mai 2010 ? 14:09, Ren? Micout a ?crit : > Have you the exact terms of the license? I could not read the license agreement to iPhone SDK 4.0 as is usually the case when opening an application and I found nothing on the Apple site. I would like, to understand what it is, consider the exact terms of this license and if possible in French. Where can I get this document? > Thank you > Rene > > Le 9 mai 2010 ? 13:56, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > >> >> On May 9, 2010, at 4:28 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: >> >>> >>> What mean "translations" ? What mean "originally" ? >> >> Literally, if you write a single line of your Rev stack using a 'Talk syntax (ask "What is your name" for example), you've gone against the license agreement, because it takes a translation layer to convert that into Apple's approved way of working. It doesn't matter whether the translation happens at runtime, or is done by the compiler, it's still not allowed. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 9 08:25:41 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 15:25:41 +0300 Subject: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative In-Reply-To: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4BE6A9C5.2060207@gmail.com> On 08/05/2010 07:32, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Apple developing Flash alternative named Gianduia > > > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > Is that "Glandula" as in glandular, or something vaguely Italian? Because if it is the former they seem to have chosen an unwise name. From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 9 08:32:08 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 08:32:08 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: The funny thing is that if you have signed the agreement, you can't talk about it! Only people who didn't sign can I suppose. Here is an example page that talks about one of the parts of the agreement, in English: http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/iphone_agreement_bans_flash_compiler and translated to French: http://bit.ly/aQcBY6 One very funny thing about the translation, I tried translating the text from French back to English, and there is a vital mistake that it makes. The last word in the 3.3.1 text is "prohibited", and when translated from English to French and back again, it becomes "allowed"! If you read the French version, and you think that it is saying that translation layers are allowed, then that's a problem in the Google translation. From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 9 08:32:37 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 08:32:37 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <8A3B1DB7-9CE0-4D4C-84A7-8A9DD7213FF6@numericable.com> References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <8A3B1DB7-9CE0-4D4C-84A7-8A9DD7213FF6@numericable.com> Message-ID: <0C83F9CF-1263-41DE-B7FC-17A87D815B2E@verizon.net> On May 9, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Is this correct ? iPhone SDK license 4.0 version ? : > 3.3.1 Applications may only use Published APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any unpublished or private APIs. That's the old agreement, before the changes. From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 9 08:45:22 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 14:45:22 +0200 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Thank you ! I have not signed the agreement... Le 9 mai 2010 ? 14:32, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > The funny thing is that if you have signed the agreement, you can't talk about it! Only people who didn't sign can I suppose. > > Here is an example page that talks about one of the parts of the agreement, in English: > > http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/iphone_agreement_bans_flash_compiler > > and translated to French: > > http://bit.ly/aQcBY6 > > > One very funny thing about the translation, I tried translating the text from French back to English, and there is a vital mistake that it makes. The last word in the 3.3.1 text is "prohibited", and when translated from English to French and back again, it becomes "allowed"! If you read the French version, and you think that it is saying that translation layers are allowed, then that's a problem in the Google translation. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 9 08:55:13 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 08:55:13 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <25138DE7-B4AE-434F-8F9F-709A6F6CE0E6@verizon.net> On May 9, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Thank you ! I have not signed the agreement... I have, that's why I gave you a link to a page, rather than simply pasting the text here! From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 9 09:05:42 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:05:42 +0200 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: 3.3.1 ... Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited. ? It is the node of the problem : in a precedent post I talk about a system witch allow to write in RevTalk the code of an "application". This code is translated into Objective-C code. This Objective-C code is written (or copy-paste or if it not ethical acceptable enter char to char with my fingers...) into xCode and compile with it to make with interface (Interface Builder construction) the "application". This "application" have no link with APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or other tool. Am I clear ? Because some person (in this list) say to me : it is right, other persons say to me : it is a violation of the SDK 4.0. If I can write all this in French, the things will be facter and easier for me ... but not for you :-) Le 9 mai 2010 ? 13:56, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > > On May 9, 2010, at 4:28 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> >> What mean "translations" ? What mean "originally" ? > > Literally, if you write a single line of your Rev stack using a 'Talk syntax (ask "What is your name" for example), you've gone against the license agreement, because it takes a translation layer to convert that into Apple's approved way of working. It doesn't matter whether the translation happens at runtime, or is done by the compiler, it's still not allowed. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 9 09:11:20 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:11:20 +0200 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <52B5074E-04D9-436A-9414-2702F8776A0C@numericable.com> But perhaps the ideal tool (RunRevMobile?) as I described is not technically feasible and it is another problem ... Le 9 mai 2010 ? 15:05, Ren? Micout a ?crit : > 3.3.1 ... Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited. > ? It is the node of the problem : in a precedent post I talk about a system witch allow to write in RevTalk the code of an "application". This code is translated into Objective-C code. This Objective-C code is written (or copy-paste or if it not ethical acceptable enter char to char with my fingers...) into xCode and compile with it to make with interface (Interface Builder construction) the "application". This "application" have no link with APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or other tool. > Am I clear ? Because some person (in this list) say to me : it is right, other persons say to me : it is a violation of the SDK 4.0. > If I can write all this in French, the things will be facter and easier for me ... but not for you :-) > > Le 9 mai 2010 ? 13:56, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > >> >> On May 9, 2010, at 4:28 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: >> >>> >>> What mean "translations" ? What mean "originally" ? >> >> Literally, if you write a single line of your Rev stack using a 'Talk syntax (ask "What is your name" for example), you've gone against the license agreement, because it takes a translation layer to convert that into Apple's approved way of working. It doesn't matter whether the translation happens at runtime, or is done by the compiler, it's still not allowed. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mikekann at yahoo.com Sun May 9 09:15:56 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 06:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: rev-web, revbrowser, on-rev, Linux, help! In-Reply-To: <201005090953.40603.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <704866.20056.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Peter, if you want to put up a web page on the on-rev server to give it a try I'd be happy to give you a folder to fool around with. I'm using about a millionth of my alotted space at the moment. Part of what Peter Alcibiades wrote: So basically it goes like this, doesn't it? We want to write on-rev material, we can, we use a text editor, then we load it onto the Rev run on-rev server, and it works fine in Linux or anything else, in any web browser. --------------- -- Make sure you save the file as "text" before uploading. -- I use Filezilla to upload my files. The built-in cPanel screwed up the line endings for me. --------------- Presumably there's a handbook with a guide for how to do this someplace. --------------- -- The handbook is named Sarah. --------------- We don't have the on-rev desktop client which might make life easer, but we can do it. --------------- -- Would probably make life more difficult. --------------- What we need for this is a subscription to the on-Rev hosting service. I'm not thinking of doing this at the moment, so this not going to be available. --------------- -- If you do want to get a subscription you might be able to get one at half price through Lynn Fredericks' company. I don't know if that offer is still in effect. You might have to buy something to get the discount. --------------- If Rev eventually releases the server package, then it would be in principle possible to do this on any server where it was loaded, but we are not there yet. --------------- ** MOST IMPORTANT ** By installing the RunRev 3.5 engine on any Apache server you can get just about the same functionality as you would get on the on-rev server. Using the engine instead of the irev files is a little less convenient, but the end result will be the same. One really handy aspect of the on-rev server is that you can use the shell commands combined with the irev files. For example, you can use imageMagick to dick around with your images before you send them out. So if you want to use RunRev in place of PHP you can do it on any Apache server that will let you install the engine. (Many people are doing that). --------------- Hope that helps a little, Mike From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sun May 9 09:26:40 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 14:26:40 +0100 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On 9 May 2010, at 14:05, Ren? Micout wrote: > 3.3.1 ... Applications that link to Documented APIs through an > intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are > prohibited. Again - that is the OLD version of 3.3.1. The new one is much more restrictive. Ian P.S. http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/iphone_agreement_bans_flash_compiler From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 9 09:29:39 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:29:39 +0200 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <80EB6858-C4E9-476F-9A70-6A3AA6F92D1D@numericable.com> It is a part of ? 3.3.1 of 4.0... I think... Colin ? And if it is, this is the problematic line... I think... Le 9 mai 2010 ? 15:26, Ian Wood a ?crit : > > On 9 May 2010, at 14:05, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> 3.3.1 ... Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited. > > Again - that is the OLD version of 3.3.1. The new one is much more restrictive. > > Ian > > P.S. http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/iphone_agreement_bans_flash_compiler_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 9 09:32:53 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 09:32:53 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On May 9, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Ian Wood wrote: >> 3.3.1 ... Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited. > > Again - that is the OLD version of 3.3.1. The new one is much more restrictive. No, that's from the new one, he just cut off all the other parts of 3.3.1. It's that bit of 3.3.1 that affects tools like Rev the most, because without that part it might be feasible to have an Objective-C based engine, and a non-Objective-C scripting language to make it do what you want it to do. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sun May 9 10:13:35 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 07:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <80EB6858-C4E9-476F-9A70-6A3AA6F92D1D@numericable.com> References: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <80EB6858-C4E9-476F-9A70-6A3AA6F92D1D@numericable.com> Message-ID: <1273414415684-2164443.post@n4.nabble.com> Rene, this is the text in question:- 3.3.1 ? Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). It may be difficult linguistically for non-native speakers, but to a native speaker this is (mostly) clear and unambiguous. What it says is, your application -- must be originally written in the specified languages. This is perhaps not totally precise, but it is going to allow you to sketch out your ideas on paper in whatever you want, to do flow charts in whatever you want, but it is not going to allow you to code in anything but the languages specified and then translate into them. Things are 'originally written' in, for instance, French, when this was the first version of the novel that was written. Translations into English are not originally written in English. It may seem hard to define exactly, but its clear to most people what does and does not count as originally written. -- in particular, with regard to Javascript, it is not just any sort of javascript, it is only allowed to write originally in "Javascript "as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine". This means, your original writing if in JS must be in this particular flavor of it. -- It next says that you may not compile and link against the documented APIs from anything but C, C++ and Objective-C. That is perfectly clear and unambiguous. You may not arrive at the code in these languages from any method but originally writing in them. Having got your code, you may compile and link if and only if it is written in the approved languages. In short, do not write originally in anything but the approved languages, and if you do, do not compile and link against the APIs. -- It finally says that "Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited". Now, this is a for example, so it is not exhaustive. But what it is telling you is that you cannot use an intermediary translation tool. You cannot do what you are trying to do. What's the bottom line? You can write your C or C++ using whatever you want. Eclipse or notepad, they do not care. But you will write C or C++ in the editor or IDE of your choice. You will not write revtalk or anything else, and have that translate into C. The sentence is not perfectly clear in one respect, its not clear whether compatibility qualifies tool, as well as layer. It could mean that you may not use a compatibility layer or a compatibility tool to link to the APIs, or it could be meant more widely, that you may not use a compatibility layer or any kind of tool, not restricted to compatibility tools, to link to the APIs. It makes no practical difference either way though. Whatever, if you want to comply with the developer contract, this is perfectly clear. It says you need to fire up your brain and start coding either in:- -- C -- C++ -- Objective C -- Javascript as executed by the iPhone OS Webkit engine. There is really no doubt about what this means. As to whether its enforceable, the answer is, in the short to medium term, undoubtedly. Because there is an enforcement mechanism, they don't have to let your app into the App store, and they don't have to give a reason for refusal. So mere suspicion that you have done it in the wrong language and translated it, will get your app barred. And they are not interested, they simply do not care, if they ban some apps incorrectly. There is nothing you can do about it. They do not even have to tell you what their reason was. The only people who will change this will be the courts and the competition regulators in the US. By the time they get around to it, and by the time a settlement is worked out, if they overturn it, and by the time the boundaries of that settlement are fixed, it will be too late for you as an iPhone developer. You have to understand that finding some way around the wording does not help at all. Even if you were to find one, which you won't, you will just get banned anyway for finding a way around and using it. You want to develop for iPhone OS as a business, you now have two and only two practical choices. One, get busy on C or iPhone Java. Two, develop webapps as in Rodeo. The safest is probably flavors of C. The quickest is probably Rodeo. Save time, and accept it. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2164443.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mikekann at yahoo.com Sun May 9 10:25:02 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 07:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: iPad innovation In-Reply-To: <511B544B-D4ED-4A4C-A1B3-036631E5185F@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <227219.15947.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/08/apple-ipad-uses-the-most_n_568384.html#s89092 -- might have to paste in browser due to line break From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 9 10:37:57 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 16:37:57 +0200 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <1273414415684-2164443.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <80EB6858-C4E9-476F-9A70-6A3AA6F92D1D@numericable.com> <1273414415684-2164443.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thank you Peter. I understand all of that... :-) Le 9 mai 2010 ? 16:13, Peter Alcibiades a ?crit : > > Things are 'originally written' in, for > instance, French, when this was the first version of the novel that was > written. Translations into English are not originally written in English. > It may seem hard to define exactly, but its clear to most people what does > and does not count as originally written. In literrature there is case of a writer who write in a language et rewrite (himself) in another language (Nabokov by example) > > In short, do not write originally in anything but the approved languages, > and if you do, do not compile and link against the APIs. > > -- It finally says that "Applications that link to Documented APIs through > an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited". > Now, this is a for example, so it is not exhaustive. But what it is telling > you is that you cannot use an intermediary translation tool. You cannot do > what you are trying to do. > > What's the bottom line? You can write your C or C++ using whatever you > want. Eclipse or notepad, they do not care. But you will write C or C++ in > the editor or IDE of your choice. You will not write revtalk or anything > else, and have that translate into C. > Have you red my last posts (with the explanation of "my method" ;-) ? > > > There is really no doubt about what this means. As to whether its > enforceable, the answer is, in the short to medium term, undoubtedly. > Because there is an enforcement mechanism, they don't have to let your app > into the App store, and they don't have to give a reason for refusal. So > mere suspicion that you have done it in the wrong language and translated > it, will get your app barred. And they are not interested, they simply do > not care, if they ban some apps incorrectly. There is nothing you can do > about it. They do not even have to tell you what their reason was. > > The only people who will change this will be the courts and the competition > regulators in the US. By the time they get around to it, and by the time a > settlement is worked out, if they overturn it, and by the time the > boundaries of that settlement are fixed, it will be too late for you as an > iPhone developer. Yes I think also > > You have to understand that finding some way around the wording does not > help at all. Even if you were to find one, which you won't, you will just > get banned anyway for finding a way around and using it. > > You want to develop for iPhone OS as a business, you now have two and only > two practical choices. One, get busy on C or iPhone Java. Two, develop > webapps as in Rodeo. The safest is probably flavors of C. The quickest is > probably Rodeo. Save time, and accept it. > It's seems to be wise, indeed, I am interested in Rodeo but is seems complicated (!?) Thank you again Bon souvenir de Paris Ren? From jerry.daniels at me.com Sun May 9 10:49:18 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 09:49:18 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <1273414415684-2164443.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <80EB6858-C4E9-476F-9A70-6A3AA6F92D1D@numericable.com> <1273414415684-2164443.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Apple does not restrict your viewing of the web content. It does restrict web plugins that it believes will eat up battery and processor. Rodeo is a tool to help you create web pages that work like apps in an iPad web browser. Any browser in the App store can view those pages. No plugin is used. The pages are generated by the Rodeo server. Apple does care how web pages are made. Will never care as long as something like Flash or revPlugin is not used, because they operate locally, on the device. Rodeo's secret sauce is all on the server. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 9, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > > Rene, this is the text in question:- > > 3.3.1 ? Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed > by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be > originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the > iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C > may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., > Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary > translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited). > > It may be difficult linguistically for non-native speakers, but to a native > speaker this is (mostly) clear and unambiguous. What it says is, your > application > > -- must be originally written in the specified languages. This is perhaps > not totally precise, but it is going to allow you to sketch out your ideas > on paper in whatever you want, to do flow charts in whatever you want, but > it is not going to allow you to code in anything but the languages specified > and then translate into them. Things are 'originally written' in, for > instance, French, when this was the first version of the novel that was > written. Translations into English are not originally written in English. > It may seem hard to define exactly, but its clear to most people what does > and does not count as originally written. > > -- in particular, with regard to Javascript, it is not just any sort of > javascript, it is only allowed to write originally in "Javascript "as > executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine". This means, your original > writing if in JS must be in this particular flavor of it. > > -- It next says that you may not compile and link against the documented > APIs from anything but C, C++ and Objective-C. That is perfectly clear and > unambiguous. You may not arrive at the code in these languages from any > method but originally writing in them. Having got your code, you may > compile and link if and only if it is written in the approved languages. > > In short, do not write originally in anything but the approved languages, > and if you do, do not compile and link against the APIs. > > -- It finally says that "Applications that link to Documented APIs through > an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited". > Now, this is a for example, so it is not exhaustive. But what it is telling > you is that you cannot use an intermediary translation tool. You cannot do > what you are trying to do. > > What's the bottom line? You can write your C or C++ using whatever you > want. Eclipse or notepad, they do not care. But you will write C or C++ in > the editor or IDE of your choice. You will not write revtalk or anything > else, and have that translate into C. > > The sentence is not perfectly clear in one respect, its not clear whether > compatibility qualifies tool, as well as layer. It could mean that you may > not use a compatibility layer or a compatibility tool to link to the APIs, > or it could be meant more widely, that you may not use a compatibility layer > or any kind of tool, not restricted to compatibility tools, to link to the > APIs. It makes no practical difference either way though. > > Whatever, if you want to comply with the developer contract, this is > perfectly clear. It says you need to fire up your brain and start coding > either in:- > > -- C > > -- C++ > > -- Objective C > > -- Javascript as executed by the iPhone OS Webkit engine. > > There is really no doubt about what this means. As to whether its > enforceable, the answer is, in the short to medium term, undoubtedly. > Because there is an enforcement mechanism, they don't have to let your app > into the App store, and they don't have to give a reason for refusal. So > mere suspicion that you have done it in the wrong language and translated > it, will get your app barred. And they are not interested, they simply do > not care, if they ban some apps incorrectly. There is nothing you can do > about it. They do not even have to tell you what their reason was. > > The only people who will change this will be the courts and the competition > regulators in the US. By the time they get around to it, and by the time a > settlement is worked out, if they overturn it, and by the time the > boundaries of that settlement are fixed, it will be too late for you as an > iPhone developer. > > You have to understand that finding some way around the wording does not > help at all. Even if you were to find one, which you won't, you will just > get banned anyway for finding a way around and using it. > > You want to develop for iPhone OS as a business, you now have two and only > two practical choices. One, get busy on C or iPhone Java. Two, develop > webapps as in Rodeo. The safest is probably flavors of C. The quickest is > probably Rodeo. Save time, and accept it. > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2164443.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jerry.daniels at me.com Sun May 9 10:52:00 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 09:52:00 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: References: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <80EB6858-C4E9-476F-9A70-6A3AA6F92D1D@numericable.com> <1273414415684-2164443.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1BBBBD87-2375-41F2-9935-9A0C0B540D28@me.com> Oops...meant to say: Apple does NOT care how web pages are made. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 9, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Apple does care how web pages are made. Will never care as long as something like Flash or revPlugin is not used, because they operate locally, on the device. Rodeo's secret sauce is all on the server. From mikekann at yahoo.com Sun May 9 11:39:49 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 08:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: iRev Functionality In-Reply-To: <227219.15947.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <904422.32813.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> -------------------------- Thomas McGrath III asked: -------------------------- Where is there a list of iRev commands available? I just tried revSpeak in iRev and got a handler not found error and would like to know what else is not available. ---------------------------------- Jacqueline Landman Gay responded: ---------------------------------- Virtually everything is available, with the added bonus of a few new terms listed in the change log. ---------------------------------- Mike wonders: ---------------------------------- Jacqueline, is the updated change log available anywhere? I'm most interested in the differences between 1. the most up-to-date reference for irev scripts (the change log I assume) 2. the dictionary that comes with 4.0 3. cgi scripts used with the 3.5 engine I'm not interested in the syntax. You've outlined that wonderfully in your tutorials. I am interested in new functionality as it comes online. Thanks as always. ---------------------------------- More from Jacqueline: ---------------------------------- IRev scripts can contain plain lists of commands without any handler declarations, or alternately the commands can be enclosed in formal ("on" or "command") handler declarations. If your commands are not inside a formal handler declaration, then you will get the error message you saw. Additionally, the server compiles revTalk from top to bottom. Unlike stack scripts where handlers can go anywhere in the message hierarchy, you can't place a handler anywhere you like on the page -- it must be declared before any other command makes use of it. It's easiest to place most handlers above the html code at the top of the page, just to make sure they are processed before any other line of script needs them. This isn't necessary though, just make sure handlers occur before any other line of script that needs to use them. From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sun May 9 11:56:27 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 08:56:27 -0700 Subject: Three Years of Rev (was RE: Check out Jerry's new videos) In-Reply-To: References: <20100508222714.ETDS22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox><0F5D135E8B634E2B97E92A0A8480A55C@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <1FCADB3F52EF4FE19C1AE06D2F5FD47D@GATEWAY> Hi Chipp, > How would you suggest paying for all of this? Just wondering... > Do you really think the current revenue stream can prop up > this luxurious road map? Cost control is part of the secret sauce that is my...secret sauce. One way of doing this is through my kind of cost control, but there are other ways. This is what I would do ;-) > I personally would rather see RunRev trim their efforts and > focus better on technologies which can provide best in class > cross platform solutions. Cross platform and incorporating a popular handheld device sort of go hand in hand. I agree that cross-platform is where the focus should be. I believe supporting Android for example, would increase revenue. > Even if this means cutting back on the number of initiatives. > I've never really thought the rev plugin was a good idea, and > now with Apple's gunsights focussed directly on Flash's > proprietary plugin, it's easy to see why. Of course if it's > just 'a compile away' then it's probably no big deal-- but > that has not seemed to be the case up to now. I went through the Roadster nightmare with SuperCard years ago so I was a bit reluctant at first. A lot of changes have happened since then; programming for it is easier. I agree, as long as it's a "Player in a Browser" then the risk is minimal. > Linux? I suppose targeting a specific platform, or two-- but > does it really make any money? Can a small company like RR > afford to support and provide free product to a platform > which generates (my guess) single digit percentage figures of > total revenue? It comes back to the cross platform message. The engine itself has to be there in order to provide Mac/Windows to Linux. The additional investment is on the IDE. A number of open source initiatives fund themselves through providing premium support contracts. There is an element of risk here though, I agree. > I'd try and shore up the Apache Module, and sell it for a decent > fee-- especially if there's a work flow aspect to it with > good documentation. That is where one could raise some money > quickly-- IMO. > > But putting it together with a whole Web App framework, is > way too much for this crowd and this company. Leave that up > to the Rodeo's of the world-- it's a HUGE job. You need an > expert DOM expert, Javascript expert, HTML5 expert, CSS > expert, cross-browser expert, not to mention a great > architect and some serious time on your hands to develop a > complete framework. I agree, but Id probably do this step by step, much as you suggest above. Treat this as a 1.0 product, and build upward and outward, knowing the direction you are going. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Lynn Fredricks < > lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote: > > > > > - Focus on mobile targets (Android, Netbooks, try to weasel a deal > > with MS for Windows Phone/XNA/Xbox, don't depend on Apple, but > > reciprocate any love > > shown) > > - Explore ways to take advantage of hardware acceleration > for graphics > > and have a 64 bit strategy > > - Strongly support 1-2 major Linuxes and make Linux only > compilation > > free > > - Rev/PHP like System with a Web Interface builder/translator; > > Application Server > > - Improve back end code so that its easier to generate new platform > > sources with the least amount of trouble > > - Come up with a way to more easily "package" various web > APIs and put > > that into the Enterprise product > > - Really good version control for Enterprise > > - Improve efficiency/performance of component/External usage > > - Make it easier for third parties to put in various > wizards, etc into > > the Rev interface without messing it up > > > > The challenge with selling development tools is that you make a > > terribly complex product that is expensive to support and > has a small > > potential user base. So finding ways to lower support costs and > > increasing the potential user base suggests a few strategies. > > > > Runrev has to be profitable to keep developing, and the more "hot" > > platforms > > you have, the more dollar signs will appear in the eyes of > potential > > customers. Android/Tablets/Netbooks/Phones are begging for > a good way > > to get vertical applications on them. > > > > Back end coding has to go through iterative processes > though to make > > sure it becomes less and less problematic to add new > targets. I don't > > know what the situation is with the Rev code, but I know > its something > > we've done really successfully at Paradigma. Id expect Rev > to be much, > > much more complicated. > > > > As this gets better, code translation as you suggest may be > a lot less > > trouble than it probably is right now to implement, and therefore a > > strategy that doesn't require betting the company on to try (later). > > > > You get Linux to pay for itself through the cross > compilation system. > > > > A free Linux version that works well also is a great option for the > > educational market and academics and can be THE educational > initiative. > > That's a long term investment but if done right can push a > bit of Java > > out of our education system. Learners become buyers, > > advocates/influencers, etc. > > Team up with other companies that are focused on Linux in > education. > > Yes, Id give some love to Windows and Mac OS for academics > but that's > > not where I would set my mark. Id dedicate a person hired > > *specifically* for this. > > > > An Application Server system requires a lot of thought and > investment, > > both for planning development and its relationship to > "rev", and also > > on planning how to deal with market acceptance. This is a good way > > though for Rev to generate revenue on a per deployment basis. > > > > A lot of these may sound sort of familiar ;-) > > > > Best regards, > > > > Lynn Fredricks > > President > > Paradigma Software > > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lynn Fredricks > > > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 2:55 PM > > > To: 'How to use Revolution' > > > Subject: RE: Check out Jerry's new videos > > > > > > > resources. It would not be trivial to get runrev to export > > > C source. > > > > But it would be invaluable to users and to the longevity > > > and reach of > > > > the runrev product and market. > > > > > > It would definitely have an effect, but it may not be the > best use > > > of Rev resources. AFAIK, there are multiple bits of Rev > in Rev and > > > also in C/C++ precompiled chunks that go into a stack. I think it > > > would be a nightmare sorting all that out on top of just a plain > > > code generator. > > > > > > I believe there was a REALbasic-to-C or C++ generator > produced by a > > > third party, but I believe it flopped as a product. > > > > > > If you are working in artificial intelligence, you'd probably > > > benefit from some of your project being compiled as an external. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Lynn Fredricks > > > President > > > Paradigma Software > > > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > > > > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mikekann at yahoo.com Sun May 9 12:02:54 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 09:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos Message-ID: <975211.46953.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> ----------------------------- Randall Reetz' Rejoinder: ------------------------------ Really, I can edit my web page in the browser just by drawing and dragging? Wrong. ------------------------ Mike's Meticulous Reply: ------------------------ Randall, don't give up so easily. Drawing: With the HTML5 Canvas Element and the right javascript library it is very doable. Have the user draw on the canvas. Collect the imageData from the canvas and send it back to the server using AJAX. On the server figure out what the schmo was drawing for you and send him back a webpage to fit his design. Dragging: every self-respecting javascript library has that. Any other functionality you might need? Always willing to help out, Mike -------------------- Earlier Discussion: -------------------- Randall Reetz: What I have always wanted is a browser that goes way beyond "view source", allowing instead an "edit mode" that allows direct manipulation of page elements in vitro. Your wish is my command: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 Or turning on the debug menu in Safari, then right-click on anything in the page and 'inspect element'. It's been a few years since all a browser would do was show you the source code. Ian From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun May 9 11:26:14 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 08:26:14 -0700 Subject: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative In-Reply-To: <4BE6A9C5.2060207@gmail.com> References: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> <4BE6A9C5.2060207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <111-2116560281.20100509082614@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- Sunday, May 9, 2010, 5:25:41 AM, you wrote: > Is that "Glandula" as in glandular, or something vaguely > Italian? Because if it is the former they seem to have chosen > an unwise name. If you follow up and look at the link you'll see in the fourth sentence that Gianduia is "named after an Italian hazelnut chocolate". I think it's an overly pretentious attempt to come up with more spinoffs from the Cocoa name, but there you go. Whether it's a wise choice of not isn't my call. Maybe their lawyers are gearing up for another trademark lawsuit. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 9 12:10:03 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 12:10:03 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <975211.46953.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <975211.46953.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When you press and drag on an html5 canvas, it doesn't do what you had in mind, it just causes the web page to move. That might be solvable by having your own WebKit based App that has the springy setting turned off. From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sun May 9 12:10:40 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 09:10:40 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1296B6459E084DD0BDB4F3FB6B00E844@GATEWAY> > My job is, in another, write specifications for contracts, > and what I read about (because I could not read directly > concerned ?) in ? 3.3.1 does not seem admissible in France's > legal perspective. In France the law is above the contract, > perhaps is it different in the USA (?) The law is above the contract in the USA, but there isn't a magical force to enforce contract laws in an equitable way. The law is perpetually playing catch up (if congress even tries at all) with the tech industry. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From mikekann at yahoo.com Sun May 9 12:14:01 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 09:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <430031.83377.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info Colin. Back to the drawing board. Mike --- On Sun, 5/9/10, Colin Holgate wrote: > From: Colin Holgate > Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 11:10 AM > When you press and drag on an html5 > canvas, it doesn't do what you had in mind, it just causes > the web page to move. > > That might be solvable by having your own WebKit based App > that has the springy setting turned off. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From josh at dvcreators.net Sun May 9 13:11:31 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 10:11:31 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> On May 8, 2010, at 11:28 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: > >> RevMobile before it seems was going generate c# sources? >> Strange choice as for me. >> Main engine should go to C, >> Some parts of REV project also to C >> And GUI part of REV project to ObjC - Cocoa. > > This is forbidden by the new license. There can be no translations. > All work must be created originally by Apple-specified tools. Of course, if you pasted the C code into Xcode and built your app there, there would be no way Apple could tell the code was not written in Xcode. Text is text. I've compared Revtalk and C a little bit and there are some code structures that are so similar translation would be easy (if then, switch). Chunk expressions are an example of something that would not translate, so there would have to be a special set of handlers that split strings and returned items, and in Revtalk you'd need to call these functions rather than using the stock ones to make the C output feasible. From josh at dvcreators.net Sun May 9 13:18:07 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 10:18:07 -0700 Subject: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative In-Reply-To: <4BE6A9C5.2060207@gmail.com> References: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> <4BE6A9C5.2060207@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Is that "Glandula" as in glandular, or something vaguely > Italian? Because if it is the former they seem to have chosen > an unwise name. Apple sometimes gives different departments different names or code names so they can trace leaks. From nealk3nc at gmail.com Sun May 9 13:25:50 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 13:25:50 -0400 Subject: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative In-Reply-To: <111-2116560281.20100509082614@ahsoftware.net> References: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> <4BE6A9C5.2060207@gmail.com> <111-2116560281.20100509082614@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: I suspect that just as Jerry chose Rodeo for his new service, name picking is done by the people coming up with the design and choose what they like. I know in the 90's when I was in charge of a global technology call center, I went to Apple for a "best practice" visit and they had named their meeting rooms after sushi. You could cynically say "How pretentious" but the employees smiled every time they mentioned a room so they enjoyed it. Just look at the Intel chip names, obviously someone loves those "location" names that none of us find amusing or even memorable! Brs Neal From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 9 13:46:49 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 20:46:49 +0300 Subject: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative In-Reply-To: References: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> <4BE6A9C5.2060207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BE6F509.2060004@gmail.com> On 09/05/2010 20:18, Josh Mellicker wrote: >> Is that "Glandula" as in glandular, or something vaguely >> Italian? Because if it is the former they seem to have chosen >> an unwise name. > > Apple sometimes gives different departments different names or code > names so they can trace leaks. Leaks of what? Last time I looked computers don't have glands; maybe I'm getting out of date. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 9 13:49:36 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 20:49:36 +0300 Subject: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative In-Reply-To: References: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> <4BE6A9C5.2060207@gmail.com> <111-2116560281.20100509082614@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4BE6F5B0.9030005@gmail.com> On 09/05/2010 20:25, Neal Campbell wrote: > I suspect that just as Jerry chose Rodeo for his new service, name picking > is done by the people coming up with the design and choose what they like. I > know in the 90's when I was in charge of a global technology call center, I > went to Apple for a "best practice" visit and they had named their meeting > rooms after sushi. You could cynically say "How pretentious" but the > employees smiled every time they mentioned a room so they enjoyed it. > > Just look at the Intel chip names, obviously someone loves those "location" > names that none of us find amusing or even memorable! > I think I prefer "location" to "lactation"; maybe it's a side affect of Steve Jobs' veganism. Of course it could be something linked with, say, the thyroid gland; but that doesn't make me feel very comfy either. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun May 9 13:55:03 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 10:55:03 -0700 Subject: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative In-Reply-To: <4BE6F509.2060004@gmail.com> References: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> <4BE6A9C5.2060207@gmail.com> <4BE6F509.2060004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <28-2107631343.20100509105503@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- Sunday, May 9, 2010, 10:46:49 AM, you wrote: > Leaks of what? Last time I looked computers don't have glands; maybe > I'm getting out of date. I'm fairly sure my Windows computers have bile glands. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 9 14:17:07 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 21:17:07 +0300 Subject: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative In-Reply-To: <28-2107631343.20100509105503@ahsoftware.net> References: <4BE4E950.3000204@fourthworld.com> <4BE6A9C5.2060207@gmail.com> <4BE6F509.2060004@gmail.com> <28-2107631343.20100509105503@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4BE6FC23.9020106@gmail.com> On 09/05/2010 20:55, Mark Wieder wrote: > Richmond- > > Sunday, May 9, 2010, 10:46:49 AM, you wrote: > >> Leaks of what? Last time I looked computers don't have glands; maybe >> I'm getting out of date. > I'm fairly sure my Windows computers have bile glands. > Oh, Gosh, here I am back at my computer after 4 days without; lovely holiday; and I am already feeling queasy. All I can say is that I am really rather glad that Sivakatirswami came up with 'Devawriter' for my software before I put my big, fat foot in it and gave it some sort of name that would have elicited comments and remarks of this sort. Of course; I had all sorts of fairly unprintable names in mind; and as my all-in-wrestling match to tame the RunRev-crossbreeds-with-Unicode dragon they became increasingly unprintable. On the other hand, I prefer 'Glandular' to the poncy Italian chocolate . . . :) From chipp at altuit.com Sun May 9 14:32:53 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 13:32:53 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: Not true. There was much web talk about this on various dev blogs and the consensus was Apple would definitely be able to create a tool to identify Flash apps created from C ported to Xcode. The reason is simple. even though Flash (and Rev) generates C code, they have to use their own C libraries to work with it. And these C libraries have unique footprints which can easily be detected. Once detected, it is easy to conclude they are in violation of SDK 4.0. And even if a better workaround was found, we're only a Apple license dot dot revision away from being excluded once again. I don't understand why this concept is so hard for folks to grasp? If Apple doesn't want you to develop on their platforms, then do like Adobe did and give up. Instead, focus on creating killer apps on other platforms. Sooner or later someone is bound to create another must have software product with a dev environment which is not Xcode. It just won't be able to be run on iPhones and ipads. My advice would be it's risky to do business with Apple. Earlier, I couldn't believe you could spend a year writing an iPhone app, just to have it rejected based on arbitrary conditions. At least with game consoles, they can pre-accept your idea and the final check is only a QA one. Now, with the latest 4.0 (not 3.0,2.0,1.0) SDK, it's obvious Apple can change their mind, midstream of your million dollar investment, and kill your company plan with an unprecedented dot dot license change limiting you to what "original programming language is used." Who ever heard of such draconian development terms? Yes, to put trust in Apple as a partner these days is a risky business indeed. On May 9, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > Of course, if you pasted the C code into Xcode and built your app there, there would be no way Apple could tell the code was not written in Xcode. Text is text. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 9 16:26:54 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 15:26:54 -0500 Subject: iRev Functionality In-Reply-To: <904422.32813.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <904422.32813.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BE71A8E.7030408@hyperactivesw.com> Michael Kann wrote: > -------------------------- > Thomas McGrath III asked: > -------------------------- > Where is there a list of iRev commands available? > > I just tried revSpeak in iRev and got a handler not found error and > would like to know what else is not available. The most complete reference right now is the dictionary. Make sure you have Rev's preferences set to show the "class" and "platforms" columns so you don't have to look up each term. If a term is supported for iRev it will say "server". The Rev speech commands are listed there as compatible, but I see the opposite in some very early notes released last summer. Those old notes say that the only externals available for iRev work are revzip, revdb, and revxml. > Jacqueline, is the updated change log available anywhere? > I'm most interested in the differences between > > 1. the most up-to-date reference for irev scripts (the change log I assume) > > 2. the dictionary that comes with 4.0 > > 3. cgi scripts used with the 3.5 engine > When using iRev scripts, the up-to-date reference and the dictionary are pretty much the same thing, except that the dictionary omits iRev-specific terms that don't apply to desktop apps. I have some early release notes but I can't recall where I got them; I think they arrived when I got my iRev account and downloaded the on-rev app. Those notes list some new variables applicable only to iRev scripting, which include $_SERVER, $_POST, $_POST_RAW, $_GET, "put new header", "put content", includes, and an errormode property that determines where script errors are sent. Other than that, most native terms are available as per the dictionary listing. For CGIs, there are a few more limitations. The CGI script itself can't load externals (because those can only be loaded into a stack) or refer to anything that requires a GUI. I.e., a CGI script can't refer to "this card" because there aren't any cards, it's just a text script. Mouse events, functions that work with objects, etc. aren't applicable in a text-only environment. Many of those limitations can be overcome by loading a real stack as a library when the CGI starts up. In that case, you do have a stack running, and stack references, object functions, etc. will work. Even so, some things will still fail if they aren't relevant to a server environment. For example, there is no keyboard or mouse available to the CGI so functions like "the mouseloc" or "keydown" will fail. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mikekann at yahoo.com Sun May 9 16:40:40 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 13:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: iRev Functionality In-Reply-To: <4BE71A8E.7030408@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <839315.45533.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Much appreciated, as always. --- On Sun, 5/9/10, J. Landman Gay wrote: > From: J. Landman Gay > Subject: Re: iRev Functionality > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 3:26 PM > Michael Kann wrote: > > -------------------------- > > Thomas McGrath III asked: > > -------------------------- > > Where is there a list of iRev commands available? > > > > I just tried revSpeak in iRev and got a handler not > found error and > > would like to know what else is not available. > > The most complete reference right now is the dictionary. > Make sure you have Rev's preferences set to show the "class" > and "platforms" columns so you don't have to look up each > term. If a term is supported for iRev it will say "server". > The Rev speech commands are listed there as compatible, but > I see the opposite in some very early notes released last > summer. Those old notes say that the only externals > available for iRev work are revzip, revdb, and revxml. > > > Jacqueline, is the updated change log available > anywhere? > > I'm most interested in the differences between > > > > 1. the most up-to-date reference for irev scripts (the > change log I assume) > > > > 2. the dictionary that comes with 4.0 > > > > 3. cgi scripts used with the 3.5 engine > > > > When using iRev scripts, the up-to-date reference and the > dictionary are pretty much the same thing, except that the > dictionary omits iRev-specific terms that don't apply to > desktop apps. I have some early release notes but I can't > recall where I got them; I think they arrived when I got my > iRev account and downloaded the on-rev app. Those notes list > some new variables applicable only to iRev scripting, which > include $_SERVER, $_POST, $_POST_RAW, $_GET, "put new > header", "put content", includes, and an errormode property > that determines where script errors are sent. Other than > that, most native terms are available as per the dictionary > listing. > > For CGIs, there are a few more limitations. The CGI script > itself can't load externals (because those can only be > loaded into a stack) or refer to anything that requires a > GUI. I.e., a CGI script can't refer to "this card" because > there aren't any cards, it's just a text script. Mouse > events, functions that work with objects, etc. aren't > applicable in a text-only environment. Many of those > limitations can be overcome by loading a real stack as a > library when the CGI starts up. In that case, you do have a > stack running, and stack references, object functions, etc. > will work. Even so, some things will still fail if they > aren't relevant to a server environment. For example, there > is no keyboard or mouse available to the CGI so functions > like "the mouseloc" or "keydown" will fail. > > -- Jacqueline Landman Gay? ? ? > ???|? ???jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software? ? ? ? > ???|? ???http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mikekann at yahoo.com Sun May 9 16:43:22 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 13:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: iPad Web App Kickstart In-Reply-To: <839315.45533.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <761391.89150.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> No, not money, just code to download: http://www.nxfx.com/blog/web-design-articles/web-development/ From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 9 17:29:55 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 14:29:55 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Message-ID: <20100509212957.NQUE24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Wow, the logic in your argument makes absolutely no sence and is in no way comparable in this context. To wit. The problem to which you allude is one of people attempting to build flash apps from C source. Of course thus would violate apples policy! But the discussion here is centered on the possibility of generating C source from rev stacks and then building apple compliant apps within the apple blessed IDE. No harm, no foul, no secret sneak. Rev, in this scenario would not be asserting any new external third party protocol into the app space. It would simple act as an app prototyping and sketch helper tool. Huge and incomparable difference! Randall -----Original Message----- From: Chipp Walters Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:32 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Not true. There was much web talk about this on various dev blogs and the consensus was Apple would definitely be able to create a tool to identify Flash apps created from C ported to Xcode. The reason is simple. even though Flash (and Rev) generates C code, they have to use their own C libraries to work with it. And these C libraries have unique footprints which can easily be detected. Once detected, it is easy to conclude they are in violation of SDK 4.0. And even if a better workaround was found, we're only a Apple license dot dot revision away from being excluded once again. I don't understand why this concept is so hard for folks to grasp? If Apple doesn't want you to develop on their platforms, then do like Adobe did and give up. Instead, focus on creating killer apps on other platforms. Sooner or later someone is bound to create another must have software product with a dev environment which is not Xcode. It just won't be able to be run on iPhones and ipads. My advice would be it's risky to do business with Apple. Earlier, I couldn't believe you could spend a year writing an iPhone app, just to have it rejected based on arbitrary conditions. At least with game consoles, they can pre-accept your idea and the final check is only a QA one. Now, with the latest 4.0 (not 3.0,2.0,1.0) SDK, it's obvious Apple can change their mind, midstream of your million dollar investment, and kill your company plan with an unprecedented dot dot license change limiting you to what "original programming language is used." Who ever heard of such draconian development terms? Yes, to put trust in Apple as a partner these days is a risky business indeed. On May 9, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > Of course, if you pasted the C code into Xcode and built your app there, there would be no way Apple could tell the code was not written in Xcode. Text is text. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 9 18:04:31 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 18:04:31 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <20100509212957.NQUE24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100509212957.NQUE24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <67E4E952-33B2-4C08-BDE9-DC9C6280C0D5@verizon.net> I'm sure what was in his mind was the right way around, and it is true to say that Apple can tell ARM code Apps that were originally Flash. It's likely they could tell ones that were from Rev too. From andre at andregarzia.com Sun May 9 18:09:33 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 19:09:33 -0300 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <20100509212957.NQUE24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100509212957.NQUE24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: Randall, What you fail to see again despite our insistence to tell you is that such tool to generate C code from Rev Stacks is precisely what is now forbidden by the new agreement. I am beginning to think that you can actually speak English or that my English is surprisingly awful because I've told you maybe SEVEN TIMES THIS WEEK ALONE that the new agreement prohibits generating C code from anything. The clause says "originally written in Objective-C" and not "Cross compiled into Objective-C". The source of all this mayhem is the exact fact that we're legally bound to an agreement that prevents using any kind of generator program. Generators are not Apple Compliant no matter how many emails you send to this list, they will still be illegal. No matter how many times we tell you that you can't and you tell use that YES RANDALL CAN or that you know better, you still can't. There's an agreement, a contract and developer sign that thing. You can't go against an agreement not matter how much you dislike it. As I've told you BEFORE IN ALL MY PREVIOUS FOUR EMAILS TO YOU (which I don't think you read anyway, because you keep repeating) it is not a technical problem, it is a legal problem. Right now, unless Apple calls Kevin and the dialog goes like: Steve: "Yo, Sup?" Kevin: "Sup, Steve, whats up?" Steve: "I've seen RevMobile, launched it and BOOM in 10 minutes I got a running iPad thingy. Which was wonderful. It really empowered me, since I can't code in Objective-C either" Kevin: "Oh, that's good to know. By the way Steve, thanks for this wonderful oportunity to make your life easier. Is RevMobile allowed then?" Steve: "Yes it is, oh, and one more thing, I think we should bundle RevMedia with all new macs" Kevin: "Thats bloody good, mate!" Unless the piece above happens, then, we CAN'T GENERATE ANYTHING and be approved for the app store. I hope we're clear. Now, since I am a nice chap and I don't believe you read my emails at all, I am going to repeat myself in some other languages, maybe, one of those will ring a bell and unlock your memory and you'll recall some days ago when I said the precise same thing: English: YOU CAN'T USE GENERATORS Portuguese: VOC? N?O PODE USAR GERADORES Portunhol: USTED NON PUEDES UTILIZAR GERADORES Thanks, I hope we're now over this subject. On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Wow, the logic in your argument makes absolutely no sence and is in no way > comparable in this context. > > To wit. The problem to which you allude is one of people attempting to > build flash apps from C source. Of course thus would violate apples policy! > But the discussion here is centered on the possibility of generating C > source from rev stacks and then building apple compliant apps within the > apple blessed IDE. No harm, no foul, no secret sneak. > > Rev, in this scenario would not be asserting any new external third party > protocol into the app space. It would simple act as an app prototyping and > sketch helper tool. > > Huge and incomparable difference! > > Randall > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chipp Walters > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:32 AM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone > > Not true. There was much web talk about this on various dev blogs and the > consensus was Apple would definitely be able to create a tool to identify > Flash apps created from C ported to Xcode. > > The reason is simple. even though Flash (and Rev) generates C code, they > have to use their own C libraries to work with it. And these C libraries > have unique footprints which can easily be detected. Once detected, it is > easy to conclude they are in violation of SDK 4.0. > > And even if a better workaround was found, we're only a Apple license dot > dot revision away from being excluded once again. I don't understand why > this concept is so hard for folks to grasp? If Apple doesn't want you to > develop on their platforms, then do like Adobe did and give up. > > Instead, focus on creating killer apps on other platforms. Sooner or later > someone is bound to create another must have software product with a dev > environment which is not Xcode. It just won't be able to be run on iPhones > and ipads. > > My advice would be it's risky to do business with Apple. Earlier, I > couldn't believe you could spend a year writing an iPhone app, just to have > it rejected based on arbitrary conditions. At least with game consoles, they > can pre-accept your idea and the final check is only a QA one. > > Now, with the latest 4.0 (not 3.0,2.0,1.0) SDK, it's obvious Apple can > change their mind, midstream of your million dollar investment, and kill > your company plan with an unprecedented dot dot license change limiting you > to what "original programming language is used." Who ever heard of such > draconian development terms? > > Yes, to put trust in Apple as a partner these days is a risky business > indeed. > > On May 9, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > > > Of course, if you pasted the C code into Xcode and built your app there, > there would be no way Apple could tell the code was not written in Xcode. > Text is text. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 9 18:17:18 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:17:18 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Message-ID: <20100509221720.SOJJ19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> They can tell of course. But they can not dictate pre-compiled source. They just want in before and during the compilation process. -----Original Message----- From: Colin Holgate Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:04 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone I'm sure what was in his mind was the right way around, and it is true to say that Apple can tell ARM code Apps that were originally Flash. It's likely they could tell ones that were from Rev too. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 9 18:21:52 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:21:52 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Message-ID: <20100509222154.SVRW19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> No it isn't and I will be willing to bet a large sum that apple's only desire is to control the compiling process. That way they know what their devices will be running. And, importantly, they can not legally go beyond this level of control. What you guys are afraid of isn't being expressed openly and honestly but it has nothing to do with apple's dictates. -----Original Message----- From: Andre Garzia Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:09 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Randall, What you fail to see again despite our insistence to tell you is that such tool to generate C code from Rev Stacks is precisely what is now forbidden by the new agreement. I am beginning to think that you can actually speak English or that my English is surprisingly awful because I've told you maybe SEVEN TIMES THIS WEEK ALONE that the new agreement prohibits generating C code from anything. The clause says "originally written in Objective-C" and not "Cross compiled into Objective-C". The source of all this mayhem is the exact fact that we're legally bound to an agreement that prevents using any kind of generator program. Generators are not Apple Compliant no matter how many emails you send to this list, they will still be illegal. No matter how many times we tell you that you can't and you tell use that YES RANDALL CAN or that you know better, you still can't. There's an agreement, a contract and developer sign that thing From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 9 18:24:14 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 18:24:14 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <20100509221720.SOJJ19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100509221720.SOJJ19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <064026B6-5467-47B0-BCD3-F1E58E017491@verizon.net> On May 9, 2010, at 6:17 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > They can tell of course. But they can not dictate pre-compiled source. They just want in before and during the compilation process. They are trying to dictate precompiled source. That's the whole problem. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sun May 9 18:24:20 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: rev-web, revbrowser, on-rev, Linux, help! In-Reply-To: <704866.20056.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <201005090953.40603.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <704866.20056.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1273443860319-2164774.post@n4.nabble.com> "By installing the RunRev 3.5 engine on any Apache server you can get just about the same functionality as you would get on the on-rev server...." Thanks, I had not appreciated that. Could certainly be significant. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/rev-web-revbrowser-on-rev-Linux-help-tp2164289p2164774.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From josh at dvcreators.net Sun May 9 18:31:56 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:31:56 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <6CBE275C-676C-4319-B697-A4DCF0BB239D@dvcreators.net> I was just speaking of a simple text parser and term search and replace. Certainly not worth the effort, it would be easier to just write in Xcode! While you're correct about the dangers of writing for Apple, some developers continue to risk it because the potential is in some cases quite large. Cheers, Josh On May 9, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Not true. There was much web talk about this on various dev blogs > and the consensus was Apple would definitely be able to create a > tool to identify Flash apps created from C ported to Xcode. > > The reason is simple. even though Flash (and Rev) generates C code, > they have to use their own C libraries to work with it. And these C > libraries have unique footprints which can easily be detected. Once > detected, it is easy to conclude they are in violation of SDK 4.0. > > And even if a better workaround was found, we're only a Apple > license dot dot revision away from being excluded once again. I > don't understand why this concept is so hard for folks to grasp? If > Apple doesn't want you to develop on their platforms, then do like > Adobe did and give up. > > Instead, focus on creating killer apps on other platforms. Sooner or > later someone is bound to create another must have software product > with a dev environment which is not Xcode. It just won't be able to > be run on iPhones and ipads. > > My advice would be it's risky to do business with Apple. Earlier, I > couldn't believe you could spend a year writing an iPhone app, just > to have it rejected based on arbitrary conditions. At least with > game consoles, they can pre-accept your idea and the final check is > only a QA one. > > Now, with the latest 4.0 (not 3.0,2.0,1.0) SDK, it's obvious Apple > can change their mind, midstream of your million dollar investment, > and kill your company plan with an unprecedented dot dot license > change limiting you to what "original programming language is used." > Who ever heard of such draconian development terms? > > Yes, to put trust in Apple as a partner these days is a risky > business indeed. > > On May 9, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Josh Mellicker > wrote: > >> Of course, if you pasted the C code into Xcode and built your app >> there, there would be no way Apple could tell the code was not >> written in Xcode. Text is text. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 9 18:40:17 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 18:40:17 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <20100509222154.SVRW19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100509222154.SVRW19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: On May 9, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > No it isn't and I will be willing to bet a large sum that apple's only desire is to control the compiling process. Amongst the many companies still worried about all this is Unity3D. When you make iPhone apps with Unity, you do the compile using Xcode, from Objective-C source files. But in amongst that Objective-C is the Mono system, which is what is used to convert your C# or Javascript to control your 3D scene. Essentially the same situation Rev would be facing. So, as currently written, the agreement blocks Unity, regardless of the fact that it's being compiled in Xcode from Objective-C source. > And, importantly, they can not legally go beyond this level of control And that might be part of the reason that the government will sue them. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun May 9 18:53:40 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:53:40 -0700 Subject: iRev Functionality In-Reply-To: <4BE71A8E.7030408@hyperactivesw.com> References: <904422.32813.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4BE71A8E.7030408@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: The 'early release notes' and the quick update email are what I have to refer to for on-rev: http://samples.on-rev.com/irev-engine-notes.txt (mark's original notes) here's additional info from a later mark w. email -------------------------snip--------------------------- on-rev clients * Mac OS X: http://www.on-rev.com/templates/onrev/files/onrevosx.dmg * Windows: http://www.on-rev.com/templates/onrev/files/onrevwindows.exe New Features: new errormode property which specifies how error messages are handled ? inline: display errors html formatted within page output ? stderr: errors are not displayed but will appear in server error logs ? quiet: no error display New $_POST_RAW variable Fixes: ? include of empty file name no longer outputs spurious characters, now throws an appropriate error (bad filename) ? engine crash when setting http headers ? PATH_TRANSLATED now contains the path to the running script file when the requested url contains extra path info after the script path ? PATH_INFO contains the extra path info -------------------------snip--------------------------- On 9 May 2010 13:26, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Michael Kann wrote: > >> -------------------------- >> Thomas McGrath III asked: >> -------------------------- >> Where is there a list of iRev commands available? >> >> I just tried revSpeak in iRev and got a handler not found error and >> > > would like to know what else is not available. > > The most complete reference right now is the dictionary. Make sure you have > Rev's preferences set to show the "class" and "platforms" columns so you > don't have to look up each term. If a term is supported for iRev it will say > "server". The Rev speech commands are listed there as compatible, but I see > the opposite in some very early notes released last summer. Those old notes > say that the only externals available for iRev work are revzip, revdb, and > revxml. > > > Jacqueline, is the updated change log available anywhere? >> > > I'm most interested in the differences between > >> >> 1. the most up-to-date reference for irev scripts (the change log I >> assume) >> >> 2. the dictionary that comes with 4.0 >> >> 3. cgi scripts used with the 3.5 engine >> >> > When using iRev scripts, the up-to-date reference and the dictionary are > pretty much the same thing, except that the dictionary omits iRev-specific > terms that don't apply to desktop apps. I have some early release notes but > I can't recall where I got them; I think they arrived when I got my iRev > account and downloaded the on-rev app. Those notes list some new variables > applicable only to iRev scripting, which include $_SERVER, $_POST, > $_POST_RAW, $_GET, "put new header", "put content", includes, and an > errormode property that determines where script errors are sent. Other than > that, most native terms are available as per the dictionary listing. > > For CGIs, there are a few more limitations. The CGI script itself can't > load externals (because those can only be loaded into a stack) or refer to > anything that requires a GUI. I.e., a CGI script can't refer to "this card" > because there aren't any cards, it's just a text script. Mouse events, > functions that work with objects, etc. aren't applicable in a text-only > environment. Many of those limitations can be overcome by loading a real > stack as a library when the CGI starts up. In that case, you do have a stack > running, and stack references, object functions, etc. will work. Even so, > some things will still fail if they aren't relevant to a server environment. > For example, there is no keyboard or mouse available to the CGI so functions > like "the mouseloc" or "keydown" will fail. > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 9 18:55:43 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:55:43 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Message-ID: <20100509225546.XHPX22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> wrong -----Original Message----- From: Colin Holgate Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:24 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone On May 9, 2010, at 6:17 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > They can tell of course. But they can not dictate pre-compiled source. They just want in before and during the compilation process. They are trying to dictate precompiled source. That's the whole problem. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 9 19:01:05 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 19:01:05 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <20100509225546.XHPX22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100509225546.XHPX22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: On May 9, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > wrong You may have the mistaken idea that Objective-C is compiled code, but it's not, it's uncompiled source text, that then gets compiled to the processor on the device. Apple saying that you can only use certain languages is directly dictating what your code looks like before it's compiled. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Sun May 9 19:04:08 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 19:04:08 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <20100509222154.SVRW19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <700511D6-BDFC-49A2-B719-E988D72B5296@mac.com> Unity3D: "We haven?t heard anything from Apple about this affecting us," && "Our current best guess is that we?ll be fine." Full quote: Unity and the iPhone OS 4.0 by David Helgason on Rants & Raves Hey guys,I just wanted to thank our forum users for their support and thoughtful analyses about Apple?s new ToS (terms of service) for its iPhone OS 4.0, due to be released this summer. As you are probably all aware by now, the new ToS has led to widespread speculation on blogs and in the trade press about how the change in wording could affect products marketed on the Apple AppStore.As is so often the case with ?legalese,? the new ToS are difficult to parse with certainty and open to broad interpretation?particularly by Apple itself. Some have noted that the strictest possible interpretation could prohibit many products from being marketed on the App Store. Others have argued that under more benign interpretations of the new terms, Unity and others will be just fine.Apple has built a tremendous marketplace for all of us, and it?s great for those who successfully take advantage of it. The flipside, of course, is that the power there so clearly resides with Apple.This is certainly not the first time that developers of all types of apps have faced sometimes confusing changes in rules, or their interpretation. It?s a risk we all run in basing parts of our businesses on Apple.Here at Unity, we are working hard on getting good information, and working to understand whether ? or how ? the new changes could affect the developer community and others. We have reached out to both official and unofficial contacts at Apple, we are talking to other companies in a similar situation to us, and we?ve been diligent in reading the ToS to get to the best legal (and business-wise) analysis of it.We haven?t heard anything from Apple about this affecting us, and we believe that with hundreds of titles (or probably over a thousand by now), including a significant proportion of the best selling ones, we?re adding so much value to the iPhone ecosystem that Apple can?t possibly want to shut that down.Our current best guess is that we?ll be fine. But it would obviously be irresponsible to guarantee that. What I can guarantee is that we?ll continue to do everything in our power to make this work, and that we will be here to inform you when we know more ? as soon as we know more.PS. In the ancient days of the App Store (July 2008), Apple very late changed the kernel to disallow JIT (just-in-time) compilation. What we did instead was spend several months changing Mono to AOT (ahead of time) compile scripts instead (this is why some dynamic constructs in our JavaScript doesn?t work on the iPhone). It was a lot of work, but we made it work to enable all these amazing Unity games to be sold in the App Store, many of which have gone on to be bestsellers and made their creators rich and famous.Thanks again for your support. We?re so very proud of you all. First I would like to thank our forum users for their support and thoughtful analyses about Apple?s new ToS (terms of service) for iPhone OS 4.0, due to be released this summer. As you are probably all aware by now, the new ToS has led to widespread speculation on blogs and in the press about how the change in wording could affect apps sold on Apple?s App Store. As is so often the case with ?legalese,? the new ToS are difficult to parse with certainty and open to broad interpretation ? not least by Apple itself. Some have noted that the strictest possible interpretation could prohibit many products from being marketed on the App Store. Others have argued that under more benign interpretations of the new terms, Unity and others will be just fine. Apple has built a tremendous marketplace for all of us, and it?s great for those who successfully take advantage of it. The flipside, of course, is that the power there so clearly resides with Apple. This is certainly not the first time that developers of all types of apps have faced sometimes confusing changes in rules, or their interpretation. It?s a risk we all run in basing parts of our businesses on Apple. Here at Unity, we are working hard on getting good information, and working to understand whether ? or how ? the new changes could affect the developer community and others. We have reached out to both official and unofficial contacts at Apple, we are talking to other companies in a similar situation to us, and we?ve been diligent in reading the ToS to get to the best legal (and business-wise) analysis of it. We haven?t heard anything from Apple about this affecting us, and we believe that with hundreds of titles (or probably over a thousand by now), including a significant proportion of the best selling ones, we?re adding so much value to the iPhone ecosystem that Apple can?t possibly want to shut that down. Our current best guess is that we?ll be fine. But it would obviously be irresponsible to guarantee that. What I can guarantee is that we?ll continue to do everything in our power to make this work, and that we will be here to inform you when we know more ? as soon as we know more. PS. In the ancient days of the App Store (July 2008), Apple changed the kernel to disallow JIT (just-in-time) compilation. We worked around this by changing Mono to AOT (ahead of time) compile scripts instead (this is why some dynamic constructs in our JavaScript doesn?t work on the iPhone). It was a lot of work, but we made it work to enable all these amazing Unity games to be sold in the App Store, many of which have gone on to be bestsellers and made their creators rich and famous. We?re so very proud of you. Thanks again for your support. Unity3D On May 9, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Amongst the many companies still worried about all this is Unity3D. When you make iPhone apps with Unity, you do the compile using Xcode, from Objective-C source files. But in amongst that Objective-C is the Mono system, which is what is used to convert your C# or Javascript to control your 3D scene. Essentially the same situation Rev would be facing. So, as currently written, the agreement blocks Unity, regardless of the fact that it's being compiled in Xcode from Objective-C source. From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 9 19:07:24 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 16:07:24 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Message-ID: <20100509230727.CXJE5779.schemailmta08.cingularme.com@Inbox> This is a protocol war on the surface, a malware customer protection scheme, and a way to know exactly what code is running on its devices, and leaves the door open for intentional tracer code apple could insert that would allow run time reporting and surveillance of app functionality. What is at steak is seeing more than anyone else. Knowing more about what is going on in its devices than any third party code can know. Being the bottom most turtle. Give apple that and they won't care how you wrote the code. It is that simple. Ask steve. -----Original Message----- From: Colin Holgate Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:24 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone On May 9, 2010, at 6:17 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > They can tell of course. But they can not dictate pre-compiled source. They just want in before and during the compilation process. They are trying to dictate precompiled source. That's the whole problem. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 9 19:16:34 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 16:16:34 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Message-ID: <20100509231636.UNWT4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> There is no technical reason that rev would have to export any pre-compiled code objects or libraries. Now, if what you aren't saying but meaning, is that rev would expose its internal data model and that this could expose the company to piracy of core IP, well that is an issue that should be expressed openly. The fact that any xtalk environment holds very little claim to deeply dependable IP is certainly true. When you don't own your core IP, the only option is to be better than other xtalk IDEs. The courts have repeatedly told apple that they too must compete through consumer choice because their IP claims are unfounded (xerox owns that). -----Original Message----- From: Colin Holgate Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:40 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone On May 9, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > No it isn't and I will be willing to bet a large sum that apple's only desire is to control the compiling process. Amongst the many companies still worried about all this is Unity3D. When you make iPhone apps with Unity, you do the compile using Xcode, from Objective-C source files. But in amongst that Objective-C is the Mono system, which is what is used to convert your C# or Javascript to control your 3D scene. Essentially the same situation Rev would be facing. So, as currently written, the agreement blocks Unity, regardless of the fact that it's being compiled in Xcode from Objective-C source. > And, importantly, they can not legally go beyond this level of control And that might be part of the reason that the government will sue them. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 9 19:20:58 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 16:20:58 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Message-ID: <20100509232100.UVGE4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Exactly . And no, I am not confused. I have been more than careful to always use the word "source" when asking for C "source" output from rev. Source is text. Un-compiled source text. No confusion here. Try another straw man attack? -----Original Message----- From: Colin Holgate Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 4:01 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone On May 9, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > wrong You may have the mistaken idea that Objective-C is compiled code, but it's not, it's uncompiled source text, that then gets compiled to the processor on the device. Apple saying that you can only use certain languages is directly dictating what your code looks like before it's compiled. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 9 19:21:33 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 19:21:33 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <700511D6-BDFC-49A2-B719-E988D72B5296@mac.com> References: <20100509222154.SVRW19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> <700511D6-BDFC-49A2-B719-E988D72B5296@mac.com> Message-ID: On May 9, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Unity3D: > "We haven?t heard anything from Apple about this affecting us," && "Our current best guess is that we?ll be fine." That quote is from April 10th, and I check for later news perhaps several times a day! I did a presentation on Friday, where I showed both Rev and Unity, and I emailed Kevin in case there was any news to pass on, and I emailed my buddy who happens to be the Evangelist at Unity. He replied, to basically say that there is no new news, and Kevin didn't reply at all. I had asked Kevin the question in a way that gave him the option to not reply, so I don't feel too hurt! So, although the best guess from Unity 30 days ago was that they would be ok, they still haven't managed to get a definitive answer from Apple. Which is good news, compared to a definitive "no"! From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 9 19:23:49 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 16:23:49 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Message-ID: <20100509232351.OGLQ6535.schemailmta06.cingularme.com@Inbox> Should have read: "... deeply "defend-able" IP..." Sorry. -----Original Message----- From: Randall Lee Reetz Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 4:16 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: RE: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone There is no technical reason that rev would have to export any pre-compiled code objects or libraries. Now, if what you aren't saying but meaning, is that rev would expose its internal data model and that this could expose the company to piracy of core IP, well that is an issue that should be expressed openly. The fact that any xtalk environment holds very little claim to deeply dependable IP is certainly true. When you don't own your core IP, the only option is to be better than other xtalk IDEs. The courts have repeatedly told apple that they too must compete through consumer choice because their IP claims are unfounded (xerox owns that). -----Original Message----- From: Colin Holgate Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:40 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone On May 9, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > No it isn't and I will be willing to bet a large sum that apple's only desire is to control the compiling process. Amongst the many companies still worried about all this is Unity3D. When you make iPhone apps with Unity, you do the compile using Xcode, from Objective-C source files. But in amongst that Objective-C is the Mono system, which is what is used to convert your C# or Javascript to control your 3D scene. Essentially the same situation Rev would be facing. So, as currently written, the agreement blocks Unity, regardless of the fact that it's being compiled in Xcode from Objective-C source. > And, importantly, they can not legally go beyond this level of control And that might be part of the reason that the government will sue them. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sun May 9 19:24:54 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 00:24:54 +0100 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <20100509222154.SVRW19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> <700511D6-BDFC-49A2-B719-E988D72B5296@mac.com> Message-ID: I hope I'm not the only one who sees the funny side of this. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > So, although the best guess from Unity 30 days ago was that they would be ok, they still haven't managed to get a definitive answer from Apple. Which is good news, compared to a definitive "no"! From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 9 19:26:22 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 19:26:22 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <20100509232100.UVGE4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100509232100.UVGE4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <133A9B2F-F9ED-4A71-814E-6FA1BA886456@verizon.net> On May 9, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Exactly . And no, I am not confused. I have been more than careful to always use the word "source" when asking for C "source" output from rev. Source is text. Un-compiled source text. No confusion here. Try another straw man attack? Now i'm confused. You're pleading for Rev to output C source, presumably to comply with Apple's demands, but you also say that Apple isn't dictating what is used as source. If Apple are not dictating what source should be like, why have a C stage? From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 9 19:45:14 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 16:45:14 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Message-ID: <20100509234516.WLCF4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> I have expanded that. You should read my posts before responding. Io even atomized on several occasions why apple wants in at the source level. Try yet another straw man attack. -----Original Message----- From: Colin Holgate Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 4:26 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone On May 9, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Exactly . And no, I am not confused. I have been more than careful to always use the word "source" when asking for C "source" output from rev. Source is text. Un-compiled source text. No confusion here. Try another straw man attack? Now i'm confused. You're pleading for Rev to output C source, presumably to comply with Apple's demands, but you also say that Apple isn't dictating what is used as source. If Apple are not dictating what source should be like, why have a C stage? _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sun May 9 19:47:26 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 16:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT] Connect the dots... Message-ID: <1273448846636-2164815.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi all, Please, read this recent news: http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/07/apple-is-now-nintendos-biggest-problem/ Now, refresh your memory with Sony's president presentation in MacWorld 2005: http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/reviews/view.php?cid=47&id=1380&pg=2 http://www.engadget.com/2005/01/11/live-from-macworld-2005-steve-jobs-keynote/ Back then, Steve Jobs said: "you know we do work very closely with Sony on digital still cameras and these new camcorders, which is really great. And who knows someday computers and music too." After reading these new and old articles, i have a question: How many months will pass before Sony or Nintendo publish many of their games for iPhone, iPad or Android? ;-) Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Connect-the-dots-tp2164815p2164815.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From psahores at free.fr Sun May 9 19:51:05 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 01:51:05 +0200 Subject: Three Years of Rev (was RE: Check out Jerry's new videos) In-Reply-To: <0F5D135E8B634E2B97E92A0A8480A55C@GATEWAY> References: <20100508222714.ETDS22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> <0F5D135E8B634E2B97E92A0A8480A55C@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Thanks for this, Lynn. Hope this can be understand as it need to be to become realy helpfull ;-) Le 9 mai 2010 ? 02:29, Lynn Fredricks a ?crit : > An Application Server system requires a lot of thought and investment, both > for planning development and its relationship to "rev", and also on planning > how to deal with market acceptance. This is a good way though for Rev to > generate revenue on a per deployment basis. > > A lot of these may sound sort of familiar ;-) > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > President > Paradigma Software > http://www.paradigmasoft.com -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 9 19:59:28 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 19:59:28 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <20100509234516.WLCF4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100509234516.WLCF4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4764F4F8-5FB9-4A76-8ED3-04E7DA879EC3@verizon.net> On May 9, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I have expanded that. You should read my posts before responding. Io even atomized on several occasions why apple wants in at the source level. Try yet another straw man attack. No, I think I'll leave you to say whatever you want to say, there are too many of your messages to go through to see all the things you had previously said. I make it to be about 105 messages from you in May alone. That's quite an amount to keep up with! From jhj at jhj.com Sun May 9 20:01:21 2010 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 17:01:21 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <20100509234516.WLCF4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100509234516.WLCF4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: Randall, do you understand that Apple never sees any source code? The XCode compiler does its work on YOUR computer. Apple only sees the finished object code. Analyzing the object code can imply what libraries were used to produce it, hence the problem. An intermediate step of C code that pretends to be the original source would help nobody. Apple would never see it! -- the other Jerry On May 9, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > I have expanded that. You should read my posts before responding. Io even atomized on several occasions why apple wants in at the source level. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 9 20:05:21 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 19:05:21 -0500 Subject: rev-web, revbrowser, on-rev, Linux, help! In-Reply-To: <1273443860319-2164774.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <201005090953.40603.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <704866.20056.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <1273443860319-2164774.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BE74DC1.10602@hyperactivesw.com> Peter Alcibiades wrote: > "By installing the RunRev 3.5 engine on any Apache server you can get just > about the same functionality as you would get on the on-rev server...." > > Thanks, I had not appreciated that. Could certainly be significant. Peter, you really should take up that offer for an iRev testing playground. You will be blown away by it. It's true that you can accomplish most of the same things using old-style CGIs, and I used to do that, but it's so much more difficult than the iRev way. And the iRev way has a cool factor you can't ignore. Just as an example, here's a chunk out of the middle of one of my web pages. It cycles through images every time the page refreshes: ****

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The flowers you’re seeing are all from my gardens over the years. This one is " ?> **** The main thing to note here is how you can put Rev syntax right inside of the HTML content and it will be interpreted before the page is sent back to the browser. Glance through the above and find the instances and you'll see. I know you've been unhappy about the state of the Linux engine, but this is one thing you really can take advantage of. And it's very, very cool. BTW, Rev allows "includes" too, and my web site uses those on every page to show the header, footer, and sidebar. Some of those have iRev scripts in them too. To see the above in action: I hope you'll try it, and even better, let us know what you think. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mikekann at yahoo.com Sun May 9 20:56:32 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 17:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: iRev Functionality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <834246.63402.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Stephen, thanks for the info. You might enjoy this: When George Melly asked Mick Jagger how his face got so many creases, he said "laughter lines." "Nothing is that funny," Melly replied. --- On Sun, 5/9/10, stephen barncard wrote: > From: stephen barncard > Subject: Re: iRev Functionality > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 5:53 PM > The 'early release notes' and the > quick update email are what I have to > refer to for on-rev: > > http://samples.on-rev.com/irev-engine-notes.txt? > ? (mark's original notes) > > here's additional info from a later mark w. email > -------------------------snip--------------------------- > on-rev clients > > * Mac OS X: http://www.on-rev.com/templates/onrev/files/onrevosx.dmg > * Windows: http://www.on-rev.com/templates/onrev/files/onrevwindows.exe > > New Features: > > new errormode property which specifies how error messages > are handled > ? inline: display errors html formatted within page > output > ? stderr: errors are not displayed but will appear in > server error logs > ? quiet: no error display > > New $_POST_RAW variable > > Fixes: > > ? include of empty file name no longer outputs spurious > characters, now > throws an appropriate error (bad filename) > ? engine crash when setting http headers > ? PATH_TRANSLATED now contains the path to the running > script file when the > requested url contains extra path info after the script > path > ? PATH_INFO contains the extra path info > > > -------------------------snip--------------------------- > > > > > On 9 May 2010 13:26, J. Landman Gay > wrote: > > > Michael Kann wrote: > > > >> -------------------------- > >> Thomas McGrath III asked: > >> -------------------------- > >> Where is there a list of iRev commands available? > >> > >> I just tried revSpeak in iRev and got a handler > not found error and > >> > > > would like to know what else is not available. > > > > The most complete reference right now is the > dictionary. Make sure you have > > Rev's preferences set to show the "class" and > "platforms" columns so you > > don't have to look up each term. If a term is > supported for iRev it will say > > "server". The Rev speech commands are listed there as > compatible, but I see > > the opposite in some very early notes released last > summer. Those old notes > > say that the only externals available for iRev work > are revzip, revdb, and > > revxml. > > > > > >? Jacqueline, is the updated change log available > anywhere? > >> > > > I'm most interested in the differences between > > > >> > >> 1. the most up-to-date reference for irev scripts > (the change log I > >> assume) > >> > >> 2. the dictionary that comes with 4.0 > >> > >> 3. cgi scripts used with the 3.5 engine > >> > >> > > When using iRev scripts, the up-to-date reference and > the dictionary are > > pretty much the same thing, except that the dictionary > omits iRev-specific > > terms that don't apply to desktop apps. I have some > early release notes but > > I can't recall where I got them; I think they arrived > when I got my iRev > > account and downloaded the on-rev app. Those notes > list some new variables > > applicable only to iRev scripting, which include > $_SERVER, $_POST, > > $_POST_RAW, $_GET, "put new header", "put content", > includes, and an > > errormode property that determines where script errors > are sent. Other than > > that, most native terms are available as per the > dictionary listing. > > > > For CGIs, there are a few more limitations. The CGI > script itself can't > > load externals (because those can only be loaded into > a stack) or refer to > > anything that requires a GUI. I.e., a CGI script can't > refer to "this card" > > because there aren't any cards, it's just a text > script. Mouse events, > > functions that work with objects, etc. aren't > applicable in a text-only > > environment. Many of those limitations can be overcome > by loading a real > > stack as a library when the CGI starts up. In that > case, you do have a stack > > running, and stack references, object functions, etc. > will work. Even so, > > some things will still fail if they aren't relevant to > a server environment. > > For example, there is no keyboard or mouse available > to the CGI so functions > > like "the mouseloc" or "keydown" will fail. > > > > > > -- > > Jacqueline Landman Gay? ? ? > ???|? ???jacque at hyperactivesw.com > > HyperActive Software? ? ? ? > ???|? ???http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > Back home in SF > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From chipp at altuit.com Sun May 9 21:00:11 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 20:00:11 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <20100509212957.NQUE24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100509212957.NQUE24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: Randy, I get the fact you're not a very technology smart individual. Let me dumb it down a bit for you. A tool which generates C code from xtalk code, creates similar patterns of C code, which when compiled, are unique, like human fingerprints. So, it's easy to figure out where the initial C code comes from, just as if you were trying to identify a person by the fingerprint they left behind. I'm sorry, I don't know how to say it any simpler. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 9, 2010, at 4:29 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Wow, the logic in your argument makes absolutely no sence and is in no way comparable in this context. > > To wit. The problem to which you allude is one of people attempting to build flash apps from C source. Of course thus would violate apples policy! But the discussion here is centered on the possibility of generating C source from rev stacks and then building apple compliant apps within the apple blessed IDE. No harm, no foul, no secret sneak. > > Rev, in this scenario would not be asserting any new external third party protocol into the app space. It would simple act as an app prototyping and sketch helper tool. > > From chipp at altuit.com Sun May 9 21:06:30 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 20:06:30 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <20100509222154.SVRW19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100509222154.SVRW19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <08B6D004-F561-4BD2-9EAB-C85443302206@altuit.com> I'm beginning to think there is something wrong with your brain. Have you not bothered listening to anything that has been said here or on the web? The whole point of the license is to make sure developers used Apple's and only Apple's tools. What part of that is hard to understand? Actually, the jokes on me. You are clearly a troll. Not interested in any sort of logical discourse, only in stirring the pot. I had heard you were thrown off the SuperCard list for similar behavior. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 9, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > No it isn't and I will be willing to bet a large sum that apple's only desire is to control the compiling process. That way they know what their devices will be running. And, importantly, they can not legally go beyond this level of control. What you guys are afraid of isn't being expressed openly and honestly but it has nothing to do with apple's dictates. From randall at randallreetz.com Sun May 9 21:56:16 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 18:56:16 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Message-ID: <20100510015618.GMQW24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> And the sky is falling too! You have to get your mind around the motivations behind apple's demands. Do that and you won't have to move to idaho and build a bomb bunker. -----Original Message----- From: Chipp Walters Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:06 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone I'm beginning to think there is something wrong with your brain. Have you not bothered listening to anything that has been said here or on the web? The whole point of the license is to make sure developers used Apple's and only Apple's tools. What part of that is hard to understand? Actually, the jokes on me. You are clearly a troll. Not interested in any sort of logical discourse, only in stirring the pot. I had heard you were thrown off the SuperCard list for similar behavior. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 9, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > No it isn't and I will be willing to bet a large sum that apple's only desire is to control the compiling process. That way they know what their devices will be running. And, importantly, they can not legally go beyond this level of control. What you guys are afraid of isn't being expressed openly and honestly but it has nothing to do with apple's dictates. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 9 22:01:38 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 21:01:38 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <20100510015618.GMQW24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100510015618.GMQW24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4BE76902.3070703@hyperactivesw.com> Randall: Stop. We've had enough. Everyone else: don't feed it. Don't even answer this post to agree. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From briany at qldlearning.com Sun May 9 22:40:59 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 19:40:59 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com> Josh, Except, if a tool like Rev were generating the code to paste in, it would inevitably contain large portions of identical code across projects. Apple could easily ban any app that matches those very clear signatures. > > > On May 8, 2010, at 11:28 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > >> Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: >> >>> RevMobile before it seems was going generate c# sources? >>> Strange choice as for me. >>> Main engine should go to C, >>> Some parts of REV project also to C >>> And GUI part of REV project to ObjC - Cocoa. >> >> This is forbidden by the new license. There can be no translations. All work must be created originally by Apple-specified tools. > > Of course, if you pasted the C code into Xcode and built your app there, there would be no way Apple could tell the code was not written in Xcode. Text is text. > > I've compared Revtalk and C a little bit and there are some code structures that are so similar translation would be easy (if then, switch). Chunk expressions are an example of something that would not translate, so there would have to be a special set of handlers that split strings and returned items, and in Revtalk you'd need to call these functions rather than using the stock ones to make the C output feasible. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun May 9 22:57:47 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 19:57:47 -0700 Subject: iRev Functionality In-Reply-To: <834246.63402.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <834246.63402.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What's the best way to identify Mick and Keith? faceprint. On 9 May 2010 17:56, Michael Kann wrote: > Stephen, thanks for the info. > > You might enjoy this: > > When George Melly asked Mick Jagger how his face got so many creases, he > said "laughter lines." "Nothing is that funny," Melly replied. > > > > --- On Sun, 5/9/10, stephen barncard > wrote: > > > From: stephen barncard > > Subject: Re: iRev Functionality > > To: "How to use Revolution" > > Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 5:53 PM > > The 'early release notes' and the > > quick update email are what I have to > > refer to for on-rev: > > > > http://samples.on-rev.com/irev-engine-notes.txt > > (mark's original notes) > > > > here's additional info from a later mark w. email > > -------------------------snip--------------------------- > > on-rev clients > > > > * Mac OS X: http://www.on-rev.com/templates/onrev/files/onrevosx.dmg > > * Windows: http://www.on-rev.com/templates/onrev/files/onrevwindows.exe > > > > New Features: > > > > new errormode property which specifies how error messages > > are handled > > ? inline: display errors html formatted within page > > output > > ? stderr: errors are not displayed but will appear in > > server error logs > > ? quiet: no error display > > > > New $_POST_RAW variable > > > > Fixes: > > > > ? include of empty file name no longer outputs spurious > > characters, now > > throws an appropriate error (bad filename) > > ? engine crash when setting http headers > > ? PATH_TRANSLATED now contains the path to the running > > script file when the > > requested url contains extra path info after the script > > path > > ? PATH_INFO contains the extra path info > > > > > > -------------------------snip--------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > On 9 May 2010 13:26, J. Landman Gay > > wrote: > > > > > Michael Kann wrote: > > > > > >> -------------------------- > > >> Thomas McGrath III asked: > > >> -------------------------- > > >> Where is there a list of iRev commands available? > > >> > > >> I just tried revSpeak in iRev and got a handler > > not found error and > > >> > > > > would like to know what else is not available. > > > > > > The most complete reference right now is the > > dictionary. Make sure you have > > > Rev's preferences set to show the "class" and > > "platforms" columns so you > > > don't have to look up each term. If a term is > > supported for iRev it will say > > > "server". The Rev speech commands are listed there as > > compatible, but I see > > > the opposite in some very early notes released last > > summer. Those old notes > > > say that the only externals available for iRev work > > are revzip, revdb, and > > > revxml. > > > > > > > > > Jacqueline, is the updated change log available > > anywhere? > > >> > > > > I'm most interested in the differences between > > > > > >> > > >> 1. the most up-to-date reference for irev scripts > > (the change log I > > >> assume) > > >> > > >> 2. the dictionary that comes with 4.0 > > >> > > >> 3. cgi scripts used with the 3.5 engine > > >> > > >> > > > When using iRev scripts, the up-to-date reference and > > the dictionary are > > > pretty much the same thing, except that the dictionary > > omits iRev-specific > > > terms that don't apply to desktop apps. I have some > > early release notes but > > > I can't recall where I got them; I think they arrived > > when I got my iRev > > > account and downloaded the on-rev app. Those notes > > list some new variables > > > applicable only to iRev scripting, which include > > $_SERVER, $_POST, > > > $_POST_RAW, $_GET, "put new header", "put content", > > includes, and an > > > errormode property that determines where script errors > > are sent. Other than > > > that, most native terms are available as per the > > dictionary listing. > > > > > > For CGIs, there are a few more limitations. The CGI > > script itself can't > > > load externals (because those can only be loaded into > > a stack) or refer to > > > anything that requires a GUI. I.e., a CGI script can't > > refer to "this card" > > > because there aren't any cards, it's just a text > > script. Mouse events, > > > functions that work with objects, etc. aren't > > applicable in a text-only > > > environment. Many of those limitations can be overcome > > by loading a real > > > stack as a library when the CGI starts up. In that > > case, you do have a stack > > > running, and stack references, object functions, etc. > > will work. Even so, > > > some things will still fail if they aren't relevant to > > a server environment. > > > For example, there is no keyboard or mouse available > > to the CGI so functions > > > like "the mouseloc" or "keydown" will fail. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jacqueline Landman Gay > > | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > > > HyperActive Software > > | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > > manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------------------- > > Stephen Barncard > > Back home in SF > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > > your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Sun May 9 22:45:47 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (tsj) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:45:47 +1000 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com> Message-ID: On 10/05/10 12:40 PM, "Brian Yennie" wrote: > Josh, > > Except, if a tool like Rev were generating the code to paste in, it would > inevitably contain large portions of identical code across projects. Apple > could easily ban any app that matches those very clear signatures. > This is all getting a bit circular but you could argue that there is nothing wrong with that given that the core Rev code was all originally written in a valid language (C or whatever). You'd still have a problem with your own (translated from Rev to objective-C) code portions though. Terry... >> >> On May 8, 2010, at 11:28 PM, "J. Landman Gay" >> wrote: >> >>> Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: >>> >>>> RevMobile before it seems was going generate c# sources? >>>> Strange choice as for me. >>>> Main engine should go to C, >>>> Some parts of REV project also to C >>>> And GUI part of REV project to ObjC - Cocoa. >>> >>> This is forbidden by the new license. There can be no translations. All work >>> must be created originally by Apple-specified tools. >> >> Of course, if you pasted the C code into Xcode and built your app there, >> there would be no way Apple could tell the code was not written in Xcode. >> Text is text. >> >> I've compared Revtalk and C a little bit and there are some code structures >> that are so similar translation would be easy (if then, switch). Chunk >> expressions are an example of something that would not translate, so there >> would have to be a special set of handlers that split strings and returned >> items, and in Revtalk you'd need to call these functions rather than using >> the stock ones to make the C output feasible. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Mon May 10 00:24:36 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 21:24:36 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Message-ID: <20100510042438.RKAO4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> And why would they? What is apples motivation? Is it to piss everyone off? Is it to appear anti-competitive? Is it to kill innovation? Is it a vendetta against xtalk or other programming languages? Look at it this way... Lets say a some terrorists take out the world trade centers with commercial jets. You know they are all middle eastern. Do you stop all middle eastern looking people from traveling? Well you would have to if you didn't have scanners. With scanners you can bypass a person's appearance and only hassle those holding weapons. By having access to source in one language, apple can scan apps to insure safety and other apple specific interests and still allow everyone to "free to move about the airplane". Randall -----Original Message----- From: Brian Yennie Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:40 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Josh, Except, if a tool like Rev were generating the code to paste in, it would inevitably contain large portions of identical code across projects. Apple could easily ban any app that matches those very clear signatures. > > > On May 8, 2010, at 11:28 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > >> Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: >> >>> RevMobile before it seems was going generate c# sources? >>> Strange choice as for me. >>> Main engine should go to C, >>> Some parts of REV project also to C >>> And GUI part of REV project to ObjC - Cocoa. >> >> This is forbidden by the new license. There can be no translations. All work must be created originally by Apple-specified tools. > > Of course, if you pasted the C code into Xcode and built your app there, there would be no way Apple could tell the code was not written in Xcode. Text is text. > > I've compared Revtalk and C a little bit and there are some code structures that are so similar translation would be easy (if then, switch). Chunk expressions are an example of something that would not translate, so there would have to be a special set of handlers that split strings and returned items, and in Revtalk you'd need to call these functions rather than using the stock ones to make the C output feasible. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Mon May 10 01:07:40 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 22:07:40 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <20100510042438.RKAO4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100510042438.RKAO4643.schemailmta02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: In so many ways, Apple has done everyone a favor. I know, I know. Hear me out. 1. Objective C is the industry standard, and has the best compilers, it has become the rosetta stone of computer languages. Only ANSI C is more standard and it is targeted directly to hardware (where objects really don't apply). 2. The world is going to have to build towards a standard eventually that will allow machine discoverable logic. This is a salvo in that direction. 3. Its not exactly like they choose xtalk or some esoteric proprietary or Apple specific language. Objective C is open, well documented, universally known, etc. 4. It benefits everyone in computing to begin to separate logic into appropriate layers that transits smoothly from general concept, to white board sketch, to paper prototype, to interpreted scripting, to compiled code. 5. xTalk and RunRev are ideally suited to shine in the real time interpreted scripting strata. 6. By translating xtalk stacks to C source, RunRev would open many many devises and platforms to xtalk users. 7. Done right, RunRev could license this translation tech to other language and IDE purveyors (Adobe, other xTalk IDE's, etc.) who would like to widen the reach of their product. 8. RunRev customers could use this to learn Objective C. 9. Would provide a ramp from stacks to professional development and deployment. 10. RunRev users could take advantage of the best compilers written specific to many different platforms. 11. RunRev users wouldn't have to shrink away from clients that ask "isn't xtalk just a hobbyist's computer language?" 12. RunRev would have a tendency to evolve at the speed of the marketplace as it's product is bound to a larger market at a deeper level. Randall On May 9, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > And why would they? What is apples motivation? Is it to piss everyone off? Is it to appear anti-competitive? Is it to kill innovation? Is it a vendetta against xtalk or other programming languages? > > Look at it this way... Lets say a some terrorists take out the world trade centers with commercial jets. You know they are all middle eastern. Do you stop all middle eastern looking people from traveling? Well you would have to if you didn't have scanners. With scanners you can bypass a person's appearance and only hassle those holding weapons. By having access to source in one language, apple can scan apps to insure safety and other apple specific interests and still allow everyone to "free to move about the airplane". > > Randall > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Yennie > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:40 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone > > Josh, > > Except, if a tool like Rev were generating the code to paste in, it would inevitably contain large portions of identical code across projects. Apple could easily ban any app that matches those very clear signatures. > >> >> >> On May 8, 2010, at 11:28 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: >> >>> Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: >>> >>>> RevMobile before it seems was going generate c# sources? >>>> Strange choice as for me. >>>> Main engine should go to C, >>>> Some parts of REV project also to C >>>> And GUI part of REV project to ObjC - Cocoa. >>> >>> This is forbidden by the new license. There can be no translations. All work must be created originally by Apple-specified tools. >> >> Of course, if you pasted the C code into Xcode and built your app there, there would be no way Apple could tell the code was not written in Xcode. Text is text. >> >> I've compared Revtalk and C a little bit and there are some code structures that are so similar translation would be easy (if then, switch). Chunk expressions are an example of something that would not translate, so there would have to be a special set of handlers that split strings and returned items, and in Revtalk you'd need to call these functions rather than using the stock ones to make the C output feasible. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From capellan2000 at gmail.com Mon May 10 02:37:11 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 23:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <08B6D004-F561-4BD2-9EAB-C85443302206@altuit.com> References: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <20100509222154.SVRW19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> <08B6D004-F561-4BD2-9EAB-C85443302206@altuit.com> Message-ID: <1273473431281-2165001.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Chipp, Chipp Walters-2 wrote: > > I'm beginning to think there is something wrong with your brain. Have you > not bothered listening to anything that has been said here or on the web? > [snip] > Actually, the jokes on me. You are clearly a troll. Not interested in any > sort of logical discourse, only in stirring the pot. > [snip] > After reading Randall answers, i have concluded that many of you have been talking to one of his artificial inteligence experiments. Maybe an "email bot" that he programmed. There are certain patterns in his answers that result familiar. Where i have seen these kind of answers???.... Then i remember, Chat bots developers use similar language patterns to program their "answers". I saw these patterns, time ago, while porting a HyperCard stack to this platform: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/spectresmart.zip Many years ago, someone mentioned in this list that him/her/them was working in a revTalk port of ALICE. I just keep wondering if that project was completed sucessfully... Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2165001.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From randall at randallreetz.com Mon May 10 02:58:00 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 23:58:00 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Message-ID: <20100510065802.BMAQ22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> Deflection of discussion. What scares runrev people about exporting platform independent source code? I certainly hit a nerve. -----Original Message----- From: Alejandro Tejada Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:37 PM To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Hi Chipp, Chipp Walters-2 wrote: > > I'm beginning to think there is something wrong with your brain. Have you > not bothered listening to anything that has been said here or on the web? > [snip] > Actually, the jokes on me. You are clearly a troll. Not interested in any > sort of logical discourse, only in stirring the pot. > [snip] > After reading Randall answers, i have concluded that many of you have been talking to one of his artificial inteligence experiments. Maybe an "email bot" that he programmed. There are certain patterns in his answers that result familiar. Where i have seen these kind of answers???.... Then i remember, Chat bots developers use similar language patterns to program their "answers". I saw these patterns, time ago, while porting a HyperCard stack to this platform: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/spectresmart.zip Many years ago, someone mentioned in this list that him/her/them was working in a revTalk port of ALICE. I just keep wondering if that project was completed sucessfully... Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2165001.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon May 10 04:18:31 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:18:31 +0800 Subject: single bit contact closure input [macintosh] In-Reply-To: References: <2f18c.14b0a7d.39146fb2@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:47 AM, stephen barncard < stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > yes, very nice stuff. A "Revolution External" is mentioned. > A little late to the thread but I think this might be a cheaper option - 8/8/8: http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?category=0 Someones written an AppleScript OSAX to go with it, which might suit your needs, if you were the one that wrote the original AS: http://www.phidgets.com/phorum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2536 > > A lot of trouble for one bit. Maybe I'll just hack a couple of wires to the > M key on an old keyboard. > > Still, as you say, a lot of extra there for just a single bit. HTH From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Mon May 10 04:31:25 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:31:25 +0100 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <1273473431281-2165001.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <20100509222154.SVRW19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> <08B6D004-F561-4BD2-9EAB-C85443302206@altuit.com> <1273473431281-2165001.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 10 May 2010 07:37, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > Many years ago, someone mentioned in this list that him/her/them was > working in a revTalk port of ALICE. I just keep wondering if that > project was completed sucessfully... > Yes - I did that. I truly apologies to all on this list :( I forgot to code the off button. From psahores at free.fr Mon May 10 05:30:59 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:30:59 +0200 Subject: Three Years of Rev (was RE: Check out Jerry's new videos) In-Reply-To: References: <20100508222714.ETDS22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> <0F5D135E8B634E2B97E92A0A8480A55C@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <880945F9-C778-4F6E-9C6A-772339A163ED@free.fr> Well said, Chipp :-) TRUE AT 1000%. NEEDED TO GO HEAD IN THE BEST CROSS-PLATFORM B2B NEW PRACTICES WE CAN HANDLE AS INDEPENDANTS TO SMALL TOP COMPETITIVE CORP. Best, Pierre Le 9 mai 2010 ? 06:03, Chipp Walters a ?crit : > I'd try and shore up the Apache Module, and sell it for a decent > fee-- especially if there's a work flow aspect to it with good > documentation. That is where one could raise some money quickly-- IMO. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Mon May 10 07:41:19 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 07:41:19 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 05/10/2010 at 04:31 AM, David Bovill wrote: >On 10 May 2010 07:37, Alejandro Tejada wrote: >> >> Many years ago, someone mentioned in this list that him/her/them was >> working in a revTalk port of ALICE. I just keep wondering if that >> project was completed sucessfully... >> > > Yes - I did that. I truly apologies to all on this list :( I forgot to code > the off button. The "entity" will hopefully move on to another area of the internet if we all ignore it. Only speak of it rather than to it (drives these things crazy). This whole AI spin reminds me of the very old movie "Demon Seed". Let's hope it doesn't go that far. ;-) ~Roger Eller From coiin at verizon.net Mon May 10 10:00:50 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:00:50 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <20100510065802.BMAQ22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100510065802.BMAQ22070.schemailmta04.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <948E4813-0D1A-402A-A6DE-514B2992477D@verizon.net> On May 10, 2010, at 2:58 AM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Deflection of discussion. That's a relative of "straw man attack", isn't it? From josh at dvcreators.net Mon May 10 11:52:49 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 08:52:49 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com> References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> <8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com> Message-ID: <222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net> True. Even if I programmed everything in Xcode, exactly as Apple wanted, but reused my own C libraries I created in Xcode, they could ban my apps due to the repeated code (fingerprint). They could ban a drawing app because, conceivably, you might draw porn with it, or for any other reason. Cheers, Josh On May 9, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: > Josh, > > Except, if a tool like Rev were generating the code to paste in, it > would inevitably contain large portions of identical code across > projects. Apple could easily ban any app that matches those very > clear signatures. > >> >> >> On May 8, 2010, at 11:28 PM, "J. Landman Gay" > > wrote: >> >>> Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: >>> >>>> RevMobile before it seems was going generate c# sources? >>>> Strange choice as for me. >>>> Main engine should go to C, >>>> Some parts of REV project also to C >>>> And GUI part of REV project to ObjC - Cocoa. >>> >>> This is forbidden by the new license. There can be no >>> translations. All work must be created originally by Apple- >>> specified tools. >> >> Of course, if you pasted the C code into Xcode and built your app >> there, there would be no way Apple could tell the code was not >> written in Xcode. Text is text. >> >> I've compared Revtalk and C a little bit and there are some code >> structures that are so similar translation would be easy (if then, >> switch). Chunk expressions are an example of something that would >> not translate, so there would have to be a special set of handlers >> that split strings and returned items, and in Revtalk you'd need to >> call these functions rather than using the stock ones to make the C >> output feasible. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Mon May 10 11:58:52 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 08:58:52 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1273248366627-2134443.post@n4.nabble.com> <6DB7FDD0-0781-499E-9673-295EE5923204@twft.com> <564420A1-E353-40F1-9E01-7499CC467BD9@altuit.com> Message-ID: But when you click the link, it plays in a flash viewer instead of a Quicktime viewer. That is what is going to happen on an iPhone, and because of that, it won't play. I'm actually not even sure if the iPhone employs or allows a quicktime movie to play in a browser. Bob On May 7, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Ian Wood wrote: > > On 8 May 2010, at 00:12, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> The vast majority of ANY kind of video these days is flash or windows media. quicktime is small potatoes. > > Please don't make the standard mistake of thinking in terms of Flash v. h264. The vast majority of video is h264-encoded, whether that file is then shown in a Flash viewer, QT, HTML5 etc. > > Ian > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Mon May 10 12:04:24 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:04:24 +0200 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net> References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> <8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com> <222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: YES ! That is that we call in French "un proc?s d'intention" !! Le 10 mai 2010 ? 17:52, Josh Mellicker a ?crit : > True. Even if I programmed everything in Xcode, exactly as Apple wanted, but reused my own C libraries I created in Xcode, they could ban my apps due to the repeated code (fingerprint). > > They could ban a drawing app because, conceivably, you might draw porn with it, or for any other reason. > > Cheers, > Josh > > On May 9, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: > >> Josh, >> >> Except, if a tool like Rev were generating the code to paste in, it would inevitably contain large portions of identical code across projects. Apple could easily ban any app that matches those very clear signatures. >> >>> >>> >>> On May 8, 2010, at 11:28 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: >>> >>>> Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: >>>> >>>>> RevMobile before it seems was going generate c# sources? >>>>> Strange choice as for me. >>>>> Main engine should go to C, >>>>> Some parts of REV project also to C >>>>> And GUI part of REV project to ObjC - Cocoa. >>>> >>>> This is forbidden by the new license. There can be no translations. All work must be created originally by Apple-specified tools. >>> >>> Of course, if you pasted the C code into Xcode and built your app there, there would be no way Apple could tell the code was not written in Xcode. Text is text. >>> >>> I've compared Revtalk and C a little bit and there are some code structures that are so similar translation would be easy (if then, switch). Chunk expressions are an example of something that would not translate, so there would have to be a special set of handlers that split strings and returned items, and in Revtalk you'd need to call these functions rather than using the stock ones to make the C output feasible. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Mon May 10 12:03:43 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:03:43 -0300 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <20100507053754.WPBD18181.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1273248366627-2134443.post@n4.nabble.com> <6DB7FDD0-0781-499E-9673-295EE5923204@twft.com> <564420A1-E353-40F1-9E01-7499CC467BD9@altuit.com> Message-ID: if it is a youtube video, then it plays fine... On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > But when you click the link, it plays in a flash viewer instead of a > Quicktime viewer. That is what is going to happen on an iPhone, and because > of that, it won't play. I'm actually not even sure if the iPhone employs or > allows a quicktime movie to play in a browser. > > Bob > > > On May 7, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Ian Wood wrote: > > > > > On 8 May 2010, at 00:12, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > > >> The vast majority of ANY kind of video these days is flash or windows > media. quicktime is small potatoes. > > > > Please don't make the standard mistake of thinking in terms of Flash v. > h264. The vast majority of video is h264-encoded, whether that file is then > shown in a Flash viewer, QT, HTML5 etc. > > > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From rman at free.fr Mon May 10 12:08:40 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net> References: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> <8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com> <222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <1273507720444-2170796.post@n4.nabble.com> As Jerry's points out and acts : life is more about doing and seeing rather than trying to predict the future, ins't it? So.. Yes indeed... "They could ban a drawing app because, conceivably, you might draw porn with it, or for any other reason. " The question is : will they do it? Why? and.. to what extend??? -- clearly they launched a war with Flash.. until when? until flash cures the mutlitasking issue? -- they might let Infinity around... -- and maybe others? (still hope for something like Runrev.. ) -- what interest would they have in spotting that you rueused 3 times the same librairie in your apps??? So.. in front of a terrorizing dragon-steve with his apple sword, i would advocate the trial error and adaptation process... dragons are sometimes nicer than they look first hand! So far nobody knows.. let's assume that! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2170796.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bobs at twft.com Mon May 10 12:12:57 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:12:57 -0700 Subject: OT: Resources for Data Base Design In-Reply-To: <4BE61584.9040904@hindu.org> References: <4BE61584.9040904@hindu.org> Message-ID: <5DBA61F5-818C-4321-82F3-5C73DF13F29F@twft.com> Seems like you need a column for each of your subsets, series, book, sections, chapters. Then index on all 5 columns, or have all 5 values concatenated into a single column and index on that. Not sure what kind of index you could use for the text though. I've always wondered about that. How do you index on a column that can contain many words, like a hypertext index? I don't know enough about SQL to say if you can aggregate all the results, say all the verses in a chapter using purely SQL queries. Obviously you could with an executable like Runrev or OnRev. Perhaps I don't understand the problem you are describing though. Bob On May 8, 2010, at 6:53 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > Any ideas of where to go looking for mangos? > > Sivakatirswami From jmyepes at mac.com Mon May 10 12:22:57 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command Message-ID: <1273508577855-2171784.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi List, I try to crop a image with the rect of a graphic. tObject is a graphic selected by the user. img "picture" is a image loaded by the user from disk The user move the graphic over the image and crop it, but only I get "Error: object is not an image"?? The graphic is irregular polygon, I mean that is not a rectangle or a box.. The code: put the rect of the selectedobject into tObject crop img "picture" to rect tObject Any idea? :) Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2171784.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bobs at twft.com Mon May 10 12:25:44 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:25:44 -0700 Subject: [OT] Connect the dots... In-Reply-To: <1273448846636-2164815.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273448846636-2164815.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9F513316-3A46-48D7-B616-229BD7D65ECF@twft.com> These journalists have to invent things to write about sometimes. What I got from the article is that the journalist was saying Apple is not a threat to Nintendo at all, because they are really producing two different non-competing products. And my take is that Apple is not producing anything in the way of end user software on the gaming front anyway. They are providing a way to get software to the end user that small developers could never have hoped for prior to the iPhone. What Nintendo should do is make scaled down versions of some of it's older more popular games for the iPhone as a teaser to get people interested in the real things. If Nintendo really does see Apple as The Enemy, then they are fools. Anyone who happens to produce a competitive product is then "an enemy" and I don't think that is a good way to think in the corporate world. Bob On May 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > Hi all, > > Please, read this recent news: > http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/07/apple-is-now-nintendos-biggest-problem/ > > Now, refresh your memory with Sony's president presentation > in MacWorld 2005: > http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/reviews/view.php?cid=47&id=1380&pg=2 > http://www.engadget.com/2005/01/11/live-from-macworld-2005-steve-jobs-keynote/ > > Back then, Steve Jobs said: > "you know we do work very closely with Sony on digital still cameras > and these new camcorders, which is really great. > And who knows someday computers and music too." > > After reading these new and old articles, i have a question: > How many months will pass before Sony or Nintendo publish many > of their games for iPhone, iPad or Android? > > ;-) > > Alejandro > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Connect-the-dots-tp2164815p2164815.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rman at free.fr Mon May 10 12:32:04 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT: Resources for Data Base Design In-Reply-To: <4BE61584.9040904@hindu.org> References: <4BE61584.9040904@hindu.org> Message-ID: <1273509124832-2171813.post@n4.nabble.com> As far as "grainy" text is concerned, I mean text made of text and so on... we're back to hierarchical databases, the modern version being XML databases. The big advantage is that you can design a very simple dbase in term of schema. Then you can pour into it complicated structures (sgml, XML..) that you can retreive in whole or partially at will. It does require more processing power of course, but we have it now! You can find some source in "editorial databases" as this kind of things were really digged at the birth of sgml 20 years ago. It can be very simple. I've got a model working fine as the database of highly structured books in an editorial process application, that deals with extracting any part of a book and outputing in different formats. Feel free to drop an email. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Resources-for-Data-Base-Design-tp2144237p2171813.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bobs at twft.com Mon May 10 12:50:14 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:50:14 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos In-Reply-To: <9E692649-FEEB-47A8-94DB-92B0D7869DE7@tactilemedia.com> References: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <9E692649-FEEB-47A8-94DB-92B0D7869DE7@tactilemedia.com> Message-ID: that suxs i just wrote an all lower case no punctuation app for the iphonelll bob On May 8, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > On May 8, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > >> BYTE CODE IS SLOW IN COMPARISON. INTERPRETED EVEN MORE SO. (SORRY ABOUT THE UPPERCASE... MY PHONE IS STUCK). > > CUPERTINO, CA. Today, Apple Inc announced that it will no longer accept input of lowercase letters on its mobile devices. CEO Steve Jobs has written a public statement (all caps) stating the reasoning behind Apple's recent character removal was to lessen energy demands Apple's iPhone OS. Developers are furious and fear that punctuation may be targeted next. > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon May 10 12:51:15 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:51:15 -0600 Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command In-Reply-To: <1273508577855-2171784.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273508577855-2171784.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On May 10, 2010, at 10:22 AM, JosepM wrote: > > Hi List, > > I try to crop a image with the rect of a graphic. > > tObject is a graphic selected by the user. > img "picture" is a image loaded by the user from disk > > The user move the graphic over the image and crop it, but only I get "Error: > object is not an image"?? > The graphic is irregular polygon, I mean that is not a rectangle or a box.. > > The code: > > put the rect of the selectedobject into tObject > crop img "picture" to rect tObject > > Any idea? :) Josep, Are your images referenced to outside image data? The Rev Dictionary says this: The crop command cannot be used on a referenced image. Doing so will cause an execution error. Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 10 12:51:38 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:51:38 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- ALICE port In-Reply-To: References: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <20100509222154.SVRW19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> <08B6D004-F561-4BD2-9EAB-C85443302206@altuit.com> <1273473431281-2165001.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BE8399A.80709@hyperactivesw.com> David Bovill wrote: > On 10 May 2010 07:37, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > >> Many years ago, someone mentioned in this list that him/her/them was >> working in a revTalk port of ALICE. I just keep wondering if that >> project was completed sucessfully... >> > > Yes - I did that. I truly apologies to all on this list :( I forgot to code > the off button. Did you really, or was this an amusing comeback only? I would love to see a Rev port of ALICE. Did anyone actually do that? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From chipp at altuit.com Mon May 10 12:56:28 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:56:28 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net> References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> <8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com> <222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: Josh, The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. The point is why try and go around this process by creating a Rev to C tool, when it's likely they can identify the resulting binaries? It's still against their terms. I would think it unwise for RR to invest significantly more development dollars to try and skirt around the rules. Obviously Adobe felt the same way. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 10, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > True. Even if I programmed everything in Xcode, exactly as Apple wanted, but reused my own C libraries I created in Xcode, they could ban my apps due to the repeated code (fingerprint). > > They could ban a drawing app because, conceivably, you might draw porn with it, or for any other reason. > > Cheers, > Josh > > On May 9, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: > >> Josh, >> >> Except, if a tool like Rev were generating the code to paste in, it would inevitably contain large portions of identical code across projects. Apple could easily ban any app that matches those very clear signatures. >> >>> >>> >>> On May 8, 2010, at 11:28 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: >>> >>>> Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: >>>> >>>>> RevMobile before it seems was going generate c# sources? >>>>> Strange choice as for me. >>>>> Main engine should go to C, >>>>> Some parts of REV project also to C >>>>> And GUI part of REV project to ObjC - Cocoa. >>>> >>>> This is forbidden by the new license. There can be no translations. All work must be created originally by Apple-specified tools. >>> >>> Of course, if you pasted the C code into Xcode and built your app there, there would be no way Apple could tell the code was not written in Xcode. Text is text. >>> >>> I've compared Revtalk and C a little bit and there are some code structures that are so similar translation would be easy (if then, switch). Chunk expressions are an example of something that would not translate, so there would have to be a special set of handlers that split strings and returned items, and in Revtalk you'd need to call these functions rather than using the stock ones to make the C output feasible. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jmyepes at mac.com Mon May 10 12:57:51 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command In-Reply-To: References: <1273508577855-2171784.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Devin, Yes, I read the dictionary, but the image is loaded from disk not referenced. What is a image not referenced? Salut, Josep M El 10/05/2010, a las 18:51, "Devin Asay [via Runtime Revolution]" escribi?: > > On May 10, 2010, at 10:22 AM, JosepM wrote: > > > > > Hi List, > > > > I try to crop a image with the rect of a graphic. > > > > tObject is a graphic selected by the user. > > img "picture" is a image loaded by the user from disk > > > > The user move the graphic over the image and crop it, but only I > get "Error: > > object is not an image"?? > > The graphic is irregular polygon, I mean that is not a rectangle > or a box.. > > > > The code: > > > > put the rect of the selectedobject into tObject > > crop img "picture" to rect tObject > > > > Any idea? :) > > Josep, > > Are your images referenced to outside image data? The Rev Dictionary > says this: The crop command cannot be used on a referenced image. > Doing so will cause an execution error. > > Regards, > Devin > > Devin Asay > Humanities Technology and Research Support Center > Brigham Young University > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2172400.html > To unsubscribe from Object is not an image when Crop command, click > here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2172408.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bobs at twft.com Mon May 10 12:59:42 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:59:42 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> <8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com> <222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <40A5380D-3949-4A19-9A72-F8D39EC966F8@twft.com> Really?? That is what Apple wants? Honestly people. You don't have to sell products in France. But if you do, you will have to abide by their rules. It's no good arguing that France is the only place your widgets sell, or that creating a market in Germany is too hard. Rulz is rulz. If you don't like it, don't develop for the iPhone/iPad. Bob On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Josh, > > The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. From rene.micout at numericable.com Mon May 10 13:03:18 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:03:18 +0200 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <40A5380D-3949-4A19-9A72-F8D39EC966F8@twft.com> References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> <8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com> <222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net> <40A5380D-3949-4A19-9A72-F8D39EC966F8@twft.com> Message-ID: <43DB7264-1E64-49EA-87F4-3CC49B1172BF@numericable.com> !!?? Le 10 mai 2010 ? 18:59, Bob Sneidar a ?crit : > Really?? That is what Apple wants? Honestly people. You don't have to sell products in France. But if you do, you will have to abide by their rules. It's no good arguing that France is the only place your widgets sell, or that creating a market in Germany is too hard. Rulz is rulz. If you don't like it, don't develop for the iPhone/iPad. From chipp at altuit.com Mon May 10 13:14:09 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:14:09 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <40A5380D-3949-4A19-9A72-F8D39EC966F8@twft.com> References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> <8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com> <222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net> <40A5380D-3949-4A19-9A72-F8D39EC966F8@twft.com> Message-ID: Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, on the subject. http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311 Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 10, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Really?? That is what Apple wants? > > > On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > >> Josh, >> >> The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Mon May 10 13:25:06 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:25:06 +0100 Subject: [OT] Connect the dots... In-Reply-To: <9F513316-3A46-48D7-B616-229BD7D65ECF@twft.com> References: <1273448846636-2164815.post@n4.nabble.com> <9F513316-3A46-48D7-B616-229BD7D65ECF@twft.com> Message-ID: On 10 May 2010 17:25, Bob Sneidar wrote: > These journalists have to invent things to write about sometimes. What I > got from the article is that the journalist was saying Apple is not a threat > to Nintendo at all, because they are really producing two different > non-competing products. And my take is that Apple is not producing anything > in the way of end user software on the gaming front anyway. They are > providing a way to get software to the end user that small developers could > never have hoped for prior to the iPhone. > Have to disagree there Bob: 1. Games are the number one "surprise" hit on the iPhone 2. The third most significant addition in iOS4 is the Game Centre- http://www.tuaw.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-0-apple-announces-game-center-a-social-gaming-netw/ From rene.micout at numericable.com Mon May 10 13:25:37 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:25:37 +0200 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> <8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com> <222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net> <40A5380D-3949-4A19-9A72-F8D39EC966F8@twft.com> Message-ID: All the arguments in the article are that I regret about the weakness of RunRev to treat the Macintosh interface. For me it's a very big handicap. I never understood the principle of cross-platform (except of course for some developers to amortize their work). But, and I've said here, is a race to the bottom ... Sorry for Windows (or Linux) afficionados... Ren? Le 10 mai 2010 ? 19:14, Chipp Walters a ?crit : > Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, on the subject. > > http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311 From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Mon May 10 13:30:20 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:30:20 +0100 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- ALICE port In-Reply-To: <4BE8399A.80709@hyperactivesw.com> References: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <20100509222154.SVRW19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> <08B6D004-F561-4BD2-9EAB-C85443302206@altuit.com> <1273473431281-2165001.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BE8399A.80709@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Yes I did - but this was a very very long time ago - back when i was using MetaCard (some time last century - so I can't vouch for the code quality). I was interested at the time in using it for customer service and game applications... and in the end I figured it was better to simply run an Alice server and call it as a web service than have to maintain an extra code base. On 10 May 2010 17:51, J. Landman Gay wrote: > David Bovill wrote: > >> On 10 May 2010 07:37, Alejandro Tejada wrote: >> >> Many years ago, someone mentioned in this list that him/her/them was >>> working in a revTalk port of ALICE. I just keep wondering if that >>> project was completed sucessfully... >>> >>> >> Yes - I did that. I truly apologies to all on this list :( I forgot to >> code >> the off button. >> > > Did you really, or was this an amusing comeback only? I would love to see a > Rev port of ALICE. Did anyone actually do that? > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon May 10 13:33:48 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:33:48 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Message-ID: <4BE8437C.9090501@fourthworld.com> Chipp Walters wrote: >> On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: >>> The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code >>> libraries. They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform >>> development. > > On May 10, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> Really?? That is what Apple wants? > > Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, > on the subject. > > http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311 And from Mr. Jobs himself; the public spanking he gave Adobe linked to from the front page of apple.com applies to all cross-platform developers: We know from painful experience that letting a third party layer of software come between the platform and the developer ultimately results in sub-standard apps and hinders the enhancement and progress of the platform. If developers grow dependent on third party development libraries and tools, they can only take advantage of platform enhancements if and when the third party chooses to adopt the new features. We cannot be at the mercy of a third party deciding if and when they will make our enhancements available to our developers. This becomes even worse if the third party is supplying a cross platform development tool. The third party may not adopt enhancements from one platform unless they are available on all of their supported platforms. Hence developers only have access to the lowest common denominator set of features. Again, we cannot accept an outcome where developers are blocked from using our innovations and enhancements because they are not available on our competitor?s platforms. To the degree that those arguments apply at all to iPhone OS, they could also apply to OS X as well. But fortunately they don't hold much water under closer examination, as has been pointed out across the blogosphere and as many of us know from personal experience: 1. Without such cross-platform tools a minority OS might never have any apps at all across entire categories that are useful to its customers. 2. When an app that was written in Objective-C breaks, the motivation to address it promptly is only as strong as the sole developer's personal interest in it, but when a cross-platform tool has a bug there are thousands of developers demanding an immediate fix from the vendor of the tool they made it with. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon May 10 13:34:12 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:34:12 -0600 Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command In-Reply-To: References: <1273508577855-2171784.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On May 10, 2010, at 10:57 AM, JosepM wrote: > > Hi Devin, > > Yes, I read the dictionary, but the image is loaded from disk not > referenced. What is a image not referenced? The image would have to be imported, I believe, to be able to use the crop command with it. Devin > > El 10/05/2010, a las 18:51, "Devin Asay [via Runtime Revolution]" > escribi?: > >> >> On May 10, 2010, at 10:22 AM, JosepM wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi List, >>> >>> I try to crop a image with the rect of a graphic. >>> >>> tObject is a graphic selected by the user. >>> img "picture" is a image loaded by the user from disk >>> >>> The user move the graphic over the image and crop it, but only I >> get "Error: >>> object is not an image"?? >>> The graphic is irregular polygon, I mean that is not a rectangle >> or a box.. >>> >>> The code: >>> >>> put the rect of the selectedobject into tObject >>> crop img "picture" to rect tObject >>> >>> Any idea? :) >> >> Josep, >> >> Are your images referenced to outside image data? The Rev Dictionary >> says this: The crop command cannot be used on a referenced image. >> Doing so will cause an execution error. >> >> Regards, >> Devin >> >> Devin Asay >> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center >> Brigham Young University >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> [hidden email] >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2172400.html >> To unsubscribe from Object is not an image when Crop command, click >> here. >> > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2172408.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From jmyepes at mac.com Mon May 10 13:36:36 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command In-Reply-To: References: <1273508577855-2171784.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1273512996766-2172668.post@n4.nabble.com> OK. Now is imported into imagedata, but now say that is not a rectangle... :( buf... It's posible to export or copy a portion of the image but with a irregular shape? Maybe I trying something not posible... Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2172668.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kevin at runrev.com Mon May 10 13:39:26 2010 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:39:26 +0100 Subject: News on revMobile Message-ID: Hi everyone, Here is the information you have been waiting for about revMobile for the iPhone/iPad. Thank you all for your patience, this has been the soonest we have been able to bring you this news. http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ RunRev - Software construction for everyone From randall at randallreetz.com Mon May 10 13:44:44 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:44:44 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Message-ID: <20100510174449.DPOM486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Not true at all... Apple just needs access to source to insure safety and control over revenue schemes. If adobe would have opened its tech to inspection, apple would have welcomed it. What matters is the platform maintaining ultimate control and access over use and content channels. Does runrev want to compete at that level? No. So what is the problem? Let apple in. Give them what they want. Access to standardized source code. Certainly runrev would ask the same. Randall -----Original Message----- From: Richard Gaskin Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:33 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Chipp Walters wrote: >> On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: >>> The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code >>> libraries. They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform >>> development. > > On May 10, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> Really?? That is what Apple wants? > > Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, > on the subject. > > http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311 And from Mr. Jobs himself; the public spanking he gave Adobe linked to from the front page of apple.com applies to all cross-platform developers: We know from painful experience that letting a third party layer of software come between the platform and the developer ultimately results in sub-standard apps and hinders the enhancement and progress of the platform. If developers grow dependent on third party development libraries and tools, they can only take advantage of platform enhancements if and when the third party chooses to adopt the new features. We cannot be at the mercy of a third party deciding if and when they will make our enhancements available to our developers. This becomes even worse if the third party is supplying a cross platform development tool. The third party may not adopt enhancements from one platform unless they are available on all of their supported platforms. Hence developers only have access to the lowest common denominator set of features. Again, we cannot accept an outcome where developers are blocked from using our innovations and enhancements because they are not available on our competitor?s platforms. To the degree that those arguments apply at all to iPhone OS, they could also apply to OS X as well. But fortunately they don't hold much water under closer examination, as has been pointed out across the blogosphere and as many of us know from personal experience: 1. Without such cross-platform tools a minority OS might never have any apps at all across entire categories that are useful to its customers. 2. When an app that was written in Objective-C breaks, the motivation to address it promptly is only as strong as the sole developer's personal interest in it, but when a cross-platform tool has a bug there are thousands of developers demanding an immediate fix from the vendor of the tool they made it with. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jerry.daniels at me.com Mon May 10 13:46:44 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:46:44 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement Message-ID: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> As we all know, the very definition of a personal computer has changed radically over the last year. Personal computing devices are becoming more personal and more mobile. This transformation has accelerated dramatically in the last month. Every technology company on our little planet is changing the way they do business to accommodate this transformation. And so is Revolution. Shareholders chase growth, and everyone of us who have bought a license to Revolution desktop, On-Rev, or revMobile are, in effect shareholders. We don't want to be left behind. Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward. I have done business with Kevin over the last decade as his contractor, vendor, customer and friend. I spent a few days with him and Mark in Edinburgh working on a project. We've broken bread, curry and haggis together. I known these guys. I like doing business with them and I like where they're going. I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the DVDs, the works. I do not want or expect a refund just because a part it will not be delivered as hoped. Even if I had bought within the last 30 days I would not want anything. I'm getting a good product and value for my money. I have no concerns. I know I'll get preferential treatment with any new mobility platforms Kevin an Mark do. Best, Jerry Daniels Using Revolution technology to create iPad web apps: http://rodeoapps.com From nealk3nc at gmail.com Mon May 10 13:47:40 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:47:40 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <4BE8437C.9090501@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE8437C.9090501@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Being a developer who makes his living at it (like many of us do), I develop on platforms that make me the most money, period. To date, thats Windows. While there is opportunity to make money on mobile devices, I think that opportunity for me is more of a n-tiered solution where the mobile device is solely a UI to the server(s) solution. I absolutely hate almost all of Microsoft's architecture, it smacks of being designed by a room full of monkeys (sri if I slandered any monkeys out there) but its so overladen with layers of junk just to get something done. Apple's archiectural designs are so elegant and clean they just invite you to use them. But, I would rather have my toenails trimmed with a machete by a room full of Microsoft architects than to code in Objective C. Its not I cannot do it (as I have), its that I don't like it. When the iPhone craze hit 2 years ago, my sincerest hope was that it would foster other native-appearing alternatives to ObjC since the developers were having to use Macs for iPhone development and we could get some non-objC koolaid. Almost bought a commercial license of QT even though I hate C++ almost as much as ObjC, In fact, I put my money on mono which allowed me to use my windows skills everywhere. But the sad fact is the establishment of cross-platform frameworks would bring some many new applications to OS X that it would ignite that platform. But by making the iphone/ipad platform closed to anyone but objC coders, he has starved off this flood of OS X innovation. He has chosen what my former CEO called "the precisely irrelevant" solution, looking to have 100% of the latest features present in any application instead of "the meaningfully approximate" of 85% and many more entries on their platform. By staying "pure", he will experience what happens with an exclusionary policy. Its language apartheid. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com From coiin at verizon.net Mon May 10 13:53:53 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:53:53 -0400 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D79C546-8BD9-4BC1-B6B4-9C0F55641568@verizon.net> It's quite a long read, so here are some highlights: No Rev of any sort on iPhone OS, probably forever. Refocusing efforts on Android. RunRevLive 10 pushed back to April next year. The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions, it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for internal use would have still broken the agreement. If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be enough to upset Apple. From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon May 10 13:54:32 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:54:32 -0600 Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command In-Reply-To: <1273512996766-2172668.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273508577855-2171784.post@n4.nabble.com> <1273512996766-2172668.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On May 10, 2010, at 11:36 AM, JosepM wrote: > > OK. Now is imported into imagedata, but now say that is not a rectangle... :( > buf... > > It's posible to export or copy a portion of the image but with a irregular > shape? > > Maybe I trying something not posible... Crop only works with a rectangle. There may be others on the list who have figured out how to use an irregular shape as an image mask. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From mikekann at yahoo.com Mon May 10 13:56:27 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <767243.71464.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Kevin, As we all knew you would, you did everything humanly possible for your customers. RunRev got ambushed and there wasn't much you could do about it. --- On Mon, 5/10/10, Kevin Miller wrote: > From: Kevin Miller > Subject: News on revMobile > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 12:39 PM > Hi everyone, > > Here is the information you have been waiting for about > revMobile for the > iPhone/iPad. Thank you all for your patience, this has been > the soonest we > have been able to bring you this news. > > http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com > ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > RunRev - Software construction for everyone > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mikekann at yahoo.com Mon May 10 13:57:15 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <565558.25804.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> If Scott Rossi doesn't know how, it can't be done. --- On Mon, 5/10/10, Devin Asay wrote: > From: Devin Asay > Subject: Re: Object is not an image when Crop command > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 12:54 PM > > On May 10, 2010, at 11:36 AM, JosepM wrote: > > > > > OK. Now is imported into imagedata, but now say that > is not a rectangle... :( > > buf... > > > > It's posible to export or copy a portion of the image > but with a irregular > > shape? > > > > Maybe I trying something not posible... > > Crop only works with a rectangle. There may be others on > the list who have figured out how to use an irregular shape > as an image mask. > > Devin > > Devin Asay > Humanities Technology and Research Support Center > Brigham Young University > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From davidocoker at gmail.com Mon May 10 13:57:17 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:57:17 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> Message-ID: > Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the > transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted > their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my > thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward. Well said and I am in complete agreement. iPhone & iPad's loss is just Androids gain. ...I now know what my next phone/mobile device will be powered by. ;-) Best regards, David C. From mpetrides at earthlink.net Mon May 10 14:04:15 2010 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:04:15 -0500 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Geez, thanks Steve. Just what we Apple loyalists needed-NOT. Do I sound just a wee bit annoyed. You bet I am. But my annoyance is at Apple, not Run Rev. RunRev did their level best, but what could we really expect when logic plays second fiddle to the whims of Sir Steve of Jobs? On May 10, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Here is the information you have been waiting for about revMobile for the > iPhone/iPad. Thank you all for your patience, this has been the soonest we > have been able to bring you this news. > > http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > RunRev - Software construction for everyone > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon May 10 14:04:41 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:04:41 -0700 Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Devin Asay wrote: > Crop only works with a rectangle. There may be others on the list who have > figured out how to use an irregular shape as an image mask. You can't. You can only group the graphic and image and use combined ink effects. Very limiting. You can see the Spotlight demo on this page as an example: Alternatively, you can set the backPattern of the graphic to the ID of the image, but there's no control over how the image is positioned relative to the graphic. I imagine one could use the "hidden point" technique of a polygon (adding a space before an after a point in the polygon's point list) to establish left and top offsets for the backPattern, effectively offsetting the image within the graphic. But this will only work with polygon graphics. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From rene.micout at numericable.com Mon May 10 14:05:01 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:05:01 +0200 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: <3D79C546-8BD9-4BC1-B6B4-9C0F55641568@verizon.net> References: <3D79C546-8BD9-4BC1-B6B4-9C0F55641568@verizon.net> Message-ID: <40330530-DE4B-4026-8FFD-545B1F0A2A6B@numericable.com> Colin, Sorry but, if I want to buy a iPad and use it as a putching-ball, a soccer baloon or freezebee. I do not think that Mr. Jobs can forbid it! Ren? Le 10 mai 2010 ? 19:53, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions, it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for internal use would have still broken the agreement. > > If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be enough to upset Apple. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon May 10 14:06:13 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:06:13 -0700 Subject: News on revMobile Message-ID: <4BE84B15.6000002@fourthworld.com> Colin Holgate wrote: > The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, > is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version > for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed > to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But > the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions, > it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't > use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for > internal use would have still broken the agreement. It seems even Jobs knows his limits sometimes - from the MonoTouch mailing list: I emailed Steve Jobs earlier today, and either he (or some delegate) replied, and the answers were pretty clear. Paraphrasing his reply: "The new provision is ONLY intended to apply to applications distributed through the app store. But that's just an email from a developer, and I've found no formal confirmation from Apple either way. And course if it's true, it's only true as of 11:06AM on 10 May 2010. Who knows what the license will say by noon... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From coiin at verizon.net Mon May 10 14:08:16 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:08:16 -0400 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: <40330530-DE4B-4026-8FFD-545B1F0A2A6B@numericable.com> References: <3D79C546-8BD9-4BC1-B6B4-9C0F55641568@verizon.net> <40330530-DE4B-4026-8FFD-545B1F0A2A6B@numericable.com> Message-ID: <9A4ADDC7-F01B-4CDE-A492-102BC8F55CF5@verizon.net> On May 10, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Ren? Micout wrote: > > Sorry but, if I want to buy a iPad and use it as a putching-ball, a soccer baloon or freezebee. I do not think that Mr. Jobs can forbid it! Let's not get into another long discussion about what is right and what Apple are saying. Clearly they can't stop you as an individual, but an Enterprise client who sends out an internal App to hundreds of their staff, could well lose their Enterprise status if any one of those iPhones or iPads is viewed by someone who reports to Steve Jobs. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon May 10 14:08:32 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:08:32 -0700 Subject: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work? In-Reply-To: References: <7A9C66E9-6508-435B-BC2B-8FBAC1DC49CD@snet.net> <7D2E1FB5-ED8B-4851-B142-71C573D4237F@altuit.com> <099B4B7A-37B6-4B32-92BA-CF7DA9CA8C67@numericable.com> <1273248366627-2134443.post@n4.nabble.com> <6DB7FDD0-0781-499E-9673-295EE5923204@twft.com> <564420A1-E353-40F1-9E01-7499CC467BD9@altuit.com> Message-ID: Quicktime runs fine on an iPhone. That's the whole idea. Anyone can make a platform-independent "player" for quicktime. Using the *export to web* feature from QT Pro, one can see the array of files that allow scaling to different formats: iphone, other phones, desktop. and the html to display it. Works perfectly on the fone. Rotates, etc. On 10 May 2010 09:03, Andre Garzia wrote: > if it is a youtube video, then it plays fine... > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > > But when you click the link, it plays in a flash viewer instead of a > > Quicktime viewer. That is what is going to happen on an iPhone, and > because > > of that, it won't play. I'm actually not even sure if the iPhone employs > or > > allows a quicktime movie to play in a browser. > > > > Bob > > > > > > On May 7, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Ian Wood wrote: > > > > > > > > On 8 May 2010, at 00:12, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > > > > >> The vast majority of ANY kind of video these days is flash or windows > > media. quicktime is small potatoes. > > > > > > Please don't make the standard mistake of thinking in terms of Flash v. > > h264. The vast majority of video is h264-encoded, whether that file is > then > > shown in a Flash viewer, QT, HTML5 etc. > > > > > > Ian > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 10 14:08:20 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:08:20 -0500 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: <3D79C546-8BD9-4BC1-B6B4-9C0F55641568@verizon.net> References: <3D79C546-8BD9-4BC1-B6B4-9C0F55641568@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4BE84B94.3040000@hyperactivesw.com> Colin Holgate wrote: > If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to > affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because > whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an > iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. > And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be > enough to upset Apple. The difference is, Apple never sees your privately-distributed apps. They can't discontinue them or revoke them. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon May 10 14:09:59 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:09:59 -0400 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> Message-ID: <3EB72607-E679-4F18-A7CA-354E59671C66@mac.com> This is good for you Jerry. I hope you keep getting preferential treatment. I, however, do not. I do expect a rebate or discount for my loss. Tom McGrath On May 10, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the DVDs, the works. I do not want or expect a refund just because a part it will not be delivered as hoped. Even if I had bought within the last 30 days I would not want anything. I'm getting a good product and value for my money. I have no concerns. I know I'll get preferential treatment with any new mobility platforms Kevin an Mark do. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Using Revolution technology to create iPad web apps: > http://rodeoapps.com From nealk3nc at gmail.com Mon May 10 14:10:07 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:10:07 -0400 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: <40330530-DE4B-4026-8FFD-545B1F0A2A6B@numericable.com> References: <3D79C546-8BD9-4BC1-B6B4-9C0F55641568@verizon.net> <40330530-DE4B-4026-8FFD-545B1F0A2A6B@numericable.com> Message-ID: For those deciding to not buy an iPad because of these mess, I completely understand the decision, but you owe it to yourselves to borrow one for a weekend. It is honestly a major breakthru which makes the whole situation much sadder. As Jerry pointed out in one thread, its a breakthrough paradigm and makes going back to a keyboard/mouse feel like stepping into the 20th century. When we get very accurate voice to text on it, I think we will see a lot of used laptops go on ebay/craigslist. To check email, it takes approximately 3 seconds to power own and establish with my wifi network. I can power it up, check my mail and power it down before my laptop has finished awakening from its sleep. Again, incredibly sad situation for everyone. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Colin, > Sorry but, if I want to buy a iPad and use it as a putching-ball, a soccer > baloon or freezebee. I do not think that Mr. Jobs can forbid it! > Ren? > > Le 10 mai 2010 ? 19:53, Colin Holgate a ?crit : > > > The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, is that > they will continue to support the existing iPhone version for Apple > Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed to deploy their > own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But the license agreement > doesn't say anything about Store submissions, it only says that you have to > use certain languages, and you can't use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise > user making an app for internal use would have still broken the agreement. > > > > If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to affect > everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because whatever > calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an iPhone device, > would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. And that, if there is > any logic in the argument at all, would be enough to upset Apple. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Mon May 10 14:10:49 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:10:49 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> Message-ID: <9C961DE0-3C8F-4705-B844-D316A16E28F4@m-r-d.de> I couldn?t have said it better. Matthias Am 10.05.2010 um 19:46 schrieb Jerry Daniels: > As we all know, the very definition of a personal computer has changed radically over the last year. Personal computing devices are becoming more personal and more mobile. This transformation has accelerated dramatically in the last month. > > Every technology company on our little planet is changing the way they do business to accommodate this transformation. And so is Revolution. Shareholders chase growth, and everyone of us who have bought a license to Revolution desktop, On-Rev, or revMobile are, in effect shareholders. We don't want to be left behind. > > Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward. > > I have done business with Kevin over the last decade as his contractor, vendor, customer and friend. I spent a few days with him and Mark in Edinburgh working on a project. We've broken bread, curry and haggis together. I known these guys. I like doing business with them and I like where they're going. > > I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the DVDs, the works. I do not want or expect a refund just because a part it will not be delivered as hoped. Even if I had bought within the last 30 days I would not want anything. I'm getting a good product and value for my money. I have no concerns. I know I'll get preferential treatment with any new mobility platforms Kevin an Mark do. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Using Revolution technology to create iPad web apps: > http://rodeoapps.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Mon May 10 14:11:23 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:11:23 -0300 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: <4BE84B15.6000002@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE84B15.6000002@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: I have 5 macbooks, 1 iMac, 1 iPhone and 1 iPad (and 2 newtons) Now... I am so pissed at Apple that I won't buy anything from Apple ever again. As soon as Rev works well on Linux, I will switch back to Linux making a comeback to the land of the free just like I did a switch from linux to macs in 2000. I am just thankful that I did not buy an iPhone 3GS to replace my iPhone 3G like I was thinking about doing couple weeks ago. Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they prevent script interpretation? Silly company. Makes no sense. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Colin Holgate wrote: > > > The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, > > is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version > > for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed > > to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But > > the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions, > > it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't > > use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for > > internal use would have still broken the agreement. > > It seems even Jobs knows his limits sometimes - from the MonoTouch mailing > list: > > I emailed Steve Jobs earlier today, and either he (or some > delegate) replied, and the answers were pretty clear. > > Paraphrasing his reply: "The new provision is ONLY intended > to apply to applications distributed through the app store. > > > > But that's just an email from a developer, and I've found no formal > confirmation from Apple either way. > > And course if it's true, it's only true as of 11:06AM on 10 May 2010. Who > knows what the license will say by noon... > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From randall at randallreetz.com Mon May 10 14:14:22 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:14:22 -0700 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement Message-ID: <20100510181427.UOWY15350.schemailmta07.cingularme.com@Inbox> I would have loved to have instead heard apple's reaction to the prospect that runrev would output clean well formed objective C source that would be compiled in apples blessed and native IDE. Of course apple would want to developed its own xtalk environment for the ipad. They own the domain! They invented it! What did you think they would say? Nuts! -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Daniels Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:46 AM To: How to Use Revolution ; Improvements to Revolution Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement As we all know, the very definition of a personal computer has changed radically over the last year. Personal computing devices are becoming more personal and more mobile. This transformation has accelerated dramatically in the last month. Every technology company on our little planet is changing the way they do business to accommodate this transformation. And so is Revolution. Shareholders chase growth, and everyone of us who have bought a license to Revolution desktop, On-Rev, or revMobile are, in effect shareholders. We don't want to be left behind. Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward. I have done business with Kevin over the last decade as his contractor, vendor, customer and friend. I spent a few days with him and Mark in Edinburgh working on a project. We've broken bread, curry and haggis together. I known these guys. I like doing business with them and I like where they're going. I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the DVDs, the works. I do not want or expect a refund just because a part it will not be delivered as hoped. Even if I had bought within the last 30 days I would not want anything. I'm getting a good product and value for my money. I have no concerns. I know I'll get preferential treatment with any new mobility platforms Kevin an Mark do. Best, Jerry Daniels Using Revolution technology to create iPad web apps: http://rodeoapps.com _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Mon May 10 14:15:27 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:15:27 +0200 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: <4BE84B94.3040000@hyperactivesw.com> References: <3D79C546-8BD9-4BC1-B6B4-9C0F55641568@verizon.net> <4BE84B94.3040000@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <90A0AFE9-C09F-45EC-BC29-6405FEA27A32@numericable.com> YES ! Le 10 mai 2010 ? 20:08, J. Landman Gay a ?crit : > Colin Holgate wrote: > >> If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to >> affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because >> whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an >> iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. >> And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be >> enough to upset Apple. > > The difference is, Apple never sees your privately-distributed apps. They can't discontinue them or revoke them. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Mon May 10 14:16:20 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:16:20 -0400 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: <4BE84B94.3040000@hyperactivesw.com> References: <3D79C546-8BD9-4BC1-B6B4-9C0F55641568@verizon.net> <4BE84B94.3040000@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <93D74CA4-E7B3-4BDC-B51B-1FD6AD3A1ABE@verizon.net> On May 10, 2010, at 2:08 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > The difference is, Apple never sees your privately-distributed apps. They can't discontinue them or revoke them. After every iTunes update the jailbreak people have to find another way to jailbreak the iPhone. It wouldn't be too hard for Apple to be equally awkward with end users who are just making apps for their own personal use. I hope that the reply about how the terms only apply to Store Apps is true. That would at least leave open one area of potential development. But really, Apple should amend the agreement to make it clear that it's ok to use any tool for Enterprise work. From chipp at altuit.com Mon May 10 14:23:05 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:23:05 -0500 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C68D624-9DAF-4D41-AA18-3D5867C87C6E@altuit.com> > http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ It's a sad day for RunRev, and all high level language (HLL) developers. In an unprecedented decree by the current King of the Hill, Steve Jobs has declared his tools, and only his tools, can be used to create compiled binary applications for his new favorite pet platform. The Hell with the rest of us. Making matters worse, he didn't proclaim his intentions to do this until the fourth release of the SDK. It's not like he was starting some new platform from scratch, and set up the rules from the beginning. Nope, he changed things when it suited him best. "Be damned with the rest of you- oh and thanks for your support, UP TO NOW," is the message he is sending. He couldn't care less. Screwing his partners, their customers and their customer's customers out of literally millions of dollars. Honestly, will anyone really be surprised when he does this yet again to Mac OS X developers? From coiin at verizon.net Mon May 10 14:23:00 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:23:00 -0400 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: References: <4BE84B15.6000002@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On May 10, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they prevent > script interpretation? The Lua only tool guys (such as Corona) haven't yet said they are safe, even though they remain hopeful. They argue that if games that Steve himself personally demonstrates use Lua, then that must mean it'll be ok for them. Also, Apple are not likely to eject games from EA, that also use Lua. But I wouldn't be surprised if Apple say that it's ok for the big companies to use scripting, but the little companies can't. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon May 10 14:27:22 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:27:22 -0700 Subject: News on revMobile Message-ID: <4BE8500A.8080506@fourthworld.com> Chipp Walters wrote: > Making matters worse, he didn't proclaim his intentions to do this > until the fourth release of the SDK. It's not like he was starting > some new platform from scratch, and set up the rules from the > beginning. > > Nope, he changed things when it suited him best.... ...which just happened to be two business days before Adobe launched CS5, their expensive investment which was to provide Flash apps for iPhone. That could be entirely coincidental, but either way I guess RunRev could consider themselves lucky that they weren't farther along before this unexpected and sweeping change. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From andre at andregarzia.com Mon May 10 14:29:04 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:29:04 -0300 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: References: <4BE84B15.6000002@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Can they say yes to EA and no to us? And after one day using my iPad I *must* say this: MY NEWTON STILL BETTER!!!! ARGH On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > > On May 10, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > > > Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they > prevent > > script interpretation? > > > The Lua only tool guys (such as Corona) haven't yet said they are safe, > even though they remain hopeful. They argue that if games that Steve himself > personally demonstrates use Lua, then that must mean it'll be ok for them. > Also, Apple are not likely to eject games from EA, that also use Lua. But I > wouldn't be surprised if Apple say that it's ok for the big companies to use > scripting, but the little companies can't. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Mon May 10 14:32:59 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:32:59 -0300 Subject: That nice XML exporter for stacks... Message-ID: Hello Folks, Anyone here remember a sample stack that would export a Rev stack with all properties and scripts to an XML file? I don't see it anymore in the bundled files. If you guys don't remember it is ok, but can someone here think a clever way to iterate over all controls? is something along the lines of repeat with x = 1 to the number of cards in the cardnames of this stack repeat with y = 1 to the number of controls in card x of this stack ... end repeat end repeat ok? -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon May 10 14:36:36 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:36:36 -0700 Subject: News on revMobile Message-ID: <4BE85234.4090902@fourthworld.com> Well done, Kevin. Steve has spoken, you did your best, and now we can all move forward in good and strong company into this new mobile arena: I?m Abandoning iPhone Development. Mobile Orchard To Stop Publication. 70% of iPhone developers heading to Android, says AdMob Android catches up to iPhone in dev interest as iPad cools Android phones now outsell Apple's iPhone in US Android Jumps Past iPhone in U.S. Mobile Web Use Android Market app count surges 68% in March Steve Jobs has made a decisive move, and I'll be following his advice: I'm getting an Android-powered phone. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon May 10 14:37:42 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:37:42 -0700 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Seems like it might be good to put out some press of the rejection. Not to bad mouth Apple, but rather to inform the various tech blogs that the rejection occurred, that several thousand developers share in the disappointment, and that developers are being forced to look at other platforms. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From nealk3nc at gmail.com Mon May 10 14:37:30 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:37:30 -0400 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: References: <4BE84B15.6000002@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: How can you be so old when you are so young? Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to cases at dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Can they say yes to EA and no to us? > > And after one day using my iPad I *must* say this: MY NEWTON STILL > BETTER!!!! > > ARGH > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > > > > > On May 10, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > > > > > Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they > > prevent > > > script interpretation? > > > > > > The Lua only tool guys (such as Corona) haven't yet said they are safe, > > even though they remain hopeful. They argue that if games that Steve > himself > > personally demonstrates use Lua, then that must mean it'll be ok for > them. > > Also, Apple are not likely to eject games from EA, that also use Lua. But > I > > wouldn't be surprised if Apple say that it's ok for the big companies to > use > > scripting, but the little companies can't. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 10 14:38:23 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:38:23 +0300 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BE8529F.4090100@gmail.com> RunRev, like so many others, have taken a socking great kick in the pants from Apple. Kevin's Article seems remarkably sober considering the circumstances - perhaps it was preceded by a 'slightly' more vulgar "internal memo" . . . :) I can only say that I hope it does not affect RunRev unduly; and that is DOES affect iPad sales (mind you; here in Bulgaria, the usual mindless morons are queuing up to get one - the same ones who send their expensively dressed children to my school with their iPhones; never mind, they subsidise some of the kids who either don't have any money or don't have fathers to pay). From davidocoker at gmail.com Mon May 10 14:40:21 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:40:21 -0500 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: References: <4BE84B15.6000002@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: > ....I won't buy anything from Apple ever > again. My entire catalog of products from Apple consists of a no longer owned Mac-mini and the original iPhone. (which I believe to be the single greatest tech product ever designed) In general (not specific to this situation), Apple's restrictive policy's (much worse than Microsoft, IMO) have been the reason for my hesitancy to fork over the bucks for a new Mac of any type as well as the iPad. > As soon as Rev works well on Linux, I will switch back to Linux making a > comeback to the land of the free just like I did a switch from linux to macs > in 2000. As a "dye in the wool" Linux fan for many years previously, I'll have to agree... I foresee Linux, Android and RunRev all playing a big part in my development future. I'll continue to put up with and develop for Windows because I have little choice, but it's now officially good-bye to Macs for sure. Best regards, David C. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 10 14:46:09 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:46:09 +0300 Subject: That nice XML exporter for stacks... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BE85471.2090203@gmail.com> On 10/05/2010 21:32, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hello Folks, > > Anyone here remember a sample stack that would export a Rev stack with all > properties and scripts to an XML file? > > I don't see it anymore in the bundled files. If you guys don't remember it > is ok, but can someone here think a clever way to iterate over all controls? > is something along the lines of > > repeat with x = 1 to the number of cards in the cardnames of this stack > repeat with y = 1 to the number of controls in card x of this stack > ... > end repeat > end repeat > > ok? > Do you mean "xmltree-view.rev" ??? If so; look somewhere 'vaguely familiar': http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/xmltree-view.rev.zip If NOT; try and think of its name - I have buckets of stacks backed up over here. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 10 14:55:38 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:55:38 +0300 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: References: <4BE84B15.6000002@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4BE856AA.4030004@gmail.com> While I don't like Microsoft, and they have tried to force people to use their shabby browser, at least they haven't got up to the same sort of restrictive practises that Apple have; consider: I can wander down the road into any tatty-old computer shop and buy a tatty old PC and get some sort of Windows running on it relatively easily (as I can, even more easily with Linux). Apple have always tied their operating systems to their machines. The 'iPad thing' is really just an extension of the same sort of thing. This may, after all, be one of the reasons why Apple have never commanded more than about 10% of the market. I know that Windows is a second-class product; but it works to a certain extent in areas where Mac OS cannot even bootup the install disk. Unless Apple "democritise" they will probably go the way of all aristocracies; and, just perhaps, it is Apple that should feel threatened by Linux, not Windows. From bobs at twft.com Mon May 10 14:55:44 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:55:44 -0700 Subject: [OT] Connect the dots... In-Reply-To: References: <1273448846636-2164815.post@n4.nabble.com> <9F513316-3A46-48D7-B616-229BD7D65ECF@twft.com> Message-ID: But Apple is not the one WRITING the games. That was my point. The games are written by other developers for the iPhone. You may as well call the US Government the enemy for creating the internet, or more accurately Intel the enemy for creating a processor that Nintendo cannot or does not use. Or better yet the US Highway department for creating a freeway that does not go to Podunk NC. I suppose you could say the same thing about Nintendo since they provide a gaming platform, not necessarily the game software, but it remains to be seen how much better, if at all, the games end up being on the iPad as opposed to the Wii. I just think Nintendo needs to be developing better platforms as things "evolve" (I hate that word there's nothing random about the process) rather than vilify their competition. It's the word "enemy" that got my goat. Bob On May 10, 2010, at 10:25 AM, David Bovill wrote: > On 10 May 2010 17:25, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> These journalists have to invent things to write about sometimes. What I >> got from the article is that the journalist was saying Apple is not a threat >> to Nintendo at all, because they are really producing two different >> non-competing products. And my take is that Apple is not producing anything >> in the way of end user software on the gaming front anyway. They are >> providing a way to get software to the end user that small developers could >> never have hoped for prior to the iPhone. >> > > Have to disagree there Bob: > > 1. Games are the number one "surprise" hit on the iPhone > 2. The third most significant addition in iOS4 is the Game > Centre- > http://www.tuaw.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-0-apple-announces-game-center-a-social-gaming-netw/ > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Mon May 10 15:09:07 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:09:07 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> <8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com> <222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net> <40A5380D-3949-4A19-9A72-F8D39EC966F8@twft.com> Message-ID: <2B958C7A-F33C-425B-9F9A-55321537784F@twft.com> Oh I see. I think it was the word "outlaw" that tripped me up. I guess if you see the iPad as an asset belonging to all of us, you would get the feeling that Apple is "outlawing" cross platform development. But I don't think any iPad but the one I buy belongs to me or anyone else. I don't see what Apple is doing as being monopolistic or engaging in Anti-trust. What they are trying to discourage is using tools to develop apps that can dramatically change the look and feel of their device, or affect stability, or lend themselves to obsolescence, or worse yet, to hinder advancements in the iPhone OS. Anyone remember how many times Microsoft said they were done with DOS, or how long Windows had to deal with the restrictions of the old hardware PC spec? Ball and chain comes to my mind. Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many of the apps originally written for the iPhone were so buggy they were causing kernel crashes all the time? Who would get the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt to defend themselves would have been deemed finger pointing. I for one am happy that we have building codes requiring building contractors to comply with ordinances. It means that the 6 story I work in is not coming down to the ground with just any old earthquake. I think of Apple's control over the software that ends up running on the iPhone exactly like those building codes. Bob On May 10, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, on the subject. > > http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311 > > Chipp Walters > CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc > > On May 10, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> Really?? That is what Apple wants? >> >> >> On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: >> >>> Josh, >>> >>> The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Mon May 10 15:10:20 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:10:20 -0700 Subject: Android over iPad (was RE: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement) In-Reply-To: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> Message-ID: > Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in > the transformation department with their announcement today. > They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us > all in the game. > They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business > going forward. I completely agree, Jerry. The iPhone family of products represent a very attractive consumer platform. We cannot expect iPad users to understand the issues around Steve Jobs war on cross platform tools - just talk with your non computer industry friends who also happen to use an iPhone about it (guess what I did on Mother's Day). The iPad today is still the product it was yesterday - except now we know our Rev projects won't be on it. Just as Steve Jobs has his business reasons for making his decisions, so do you as software vendors. I don't think you should go out and burn your iPhone and iPad. But just like Steve Jobs, you should also consider your business as well. Support RevMobile on Android. Plan for it. Help make it happen. Make the words "HyperCard" and "Runrev" and "Android" appear often in your blogs, twitter posts and facebook updates. I don't suggest this for reasons other than business reasons. Supporting a platform where you can deploy your applications, which makes it possible for more copies of your applications to be sold. Ive already made a blog update to this effect, it isnt much more than you already know: http://www.lynnfredricks.com/2010/05/10/no-hypercard-for-the-ipad-watch-for- hypercard-on-android/ Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com From jmyepes at mac.com Mon May 10 15:12:54 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command In-Reply-To: References: <1273508577855-2171784.post@n4.nabble.com> <1273512996766-2172668.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1273518774088-2172787.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi, Thanks for the replies.. I see the sample Spotlight, very cool. I understand you but I don't know the "hidden point" technique :) Where add a space in the polygon's list? Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2172787.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andreas at medone.ch Mon May 10 15:13:31 2010 From: andreas at medone.ch (andreas at medone.ch) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:13:31 +0200 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: <4BE856AA.4030004@gmail.com> References: <4BE84B15.6000002@fourthworld.com> <4BE856AA.4030004@gmail.com> Message-ID: The combination of iPhone / iPad AND Windows app development has been seen as a great opportunity for a lot of developers. There where great ideas. So many developer had a HyperCard / RunRev Project to bring to the iPhone AND other platforms. A problem for Apple? Would be great if Apple changes there minds! As others, I have spent a lot of time and effort to bring RunRev Apps on the iPhone. Andreas St?mpfli From sundown at pacifier.com Mon May 10 15:21:49 2010 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:21:49 -0700 Subject: That nice XML exporter for stacks... In-Reply-To: <4BE85471.2090203@gmail.com> References: <4BE85471.2090203@gmail.com> Message-ID: There was and Tree View stack that the person programming it said he would release a full version in around April 2010 but I don't know the name of the stack and have not heard anything about it being released. He was going to charge a small fee for it when the full version was released. -=>JB<=- On May 10, 2010, at 1:46 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 10/05/2010 21:32, Andre Garzia wrote: >> Hello Folks, >> >> Anyone here remember a sample stack that would export a Rev stack >> with all >> properties and scripts to an XML file? >> >> I don't see it anymore in the bundled files. If you guys don't >> remember it >> is ok, but can someone here think a clever way to iterate over all >> controls? >> is something along the lines of >> >> repeat with x = 1 to the number of cards in the cardnames of this >> stack >> repeat with y = 1 to the number of controls in card x of this >> stack >> ... >> end repeat >> end repeat >> >> ok? >> > Do you mean "xmltree-view.rev" ??? > > If so; look somewhere 'vaguely familiar': > > http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/xmltree-view.rev.zip > > If NOT; try and think of its name - I have buckets of stacks > backed up over here. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Mon May 10 15:21:51 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:21:51 -0700 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Seems like it might be good to put out some press of the > rejection. Not to bad mouth Apple, but rather to inform the > various tech blogs that the rejection occurred, that several > thousand developers share in the disappointment, and that > developers are being forced to look at other platforms. Ive sent out feelers to my press contacts about it. I strongly suggest everyone else does as well. I think there's an excellent market for applications that can be deployed on Mac OS X and....Android :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com From andre at andregarzia.com Mon May 10 15:22:14 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:22:14 -0300 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <2B958C7A-F33C-425B-9F9A-55321537784F@twft.com> References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> <8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com> <222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net> <40A5380D-3949-4A19-9A72-F8D39EC966F8@twft.com> <2B958C7A-F33C-425B-9F9A-55321537784F@twft.com> Message-ID: Bob, You can still break iPhone OS writting Objective-C... If you or jobs doubt that, I invite you guys to look at my own ObjC developments. I can break any hardware. Now, they are mixing correlation with causation. Cross platform is not the bad guy here, poor programmers are. One can write good cross platform software respecting everything from UIs to Memory Management stuff. Cross platform software can be a good citizen. Poor programmers can screw any machine no matter the language used. silly apple. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Oh I see. I think it was the word "outlaw" that tripped me up. I guess if > you see the iPad as an asset belonging to all of us, you would get the > feeling that Apple is "outlawing" cross platform development. But I don't > think any iPad but the one I buy belongs to me or anyone else. > > I don't see what Apple is doing as being monopolistic or engaging in > Anti-trust. What they are trying to discourage is using tools to develop > apps that can dramatically change the look and feel of their device, or > affect stability, or lend themselves to obsolescence, or worse yet, to > hinder advancements in the iPhone OS. Anyone remember how many times > Microsoft said they were done with DOS, or how long Windows had to deal with > the restrictions of the old hardware PC spec? Ball and chain comes to my > mind. > > Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many of the apps > originally written for the iPhone were so buggy they were causing kernel > crashes all the time? Who would get the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt > to defend themselves would have been deemed finger pointing. I for one am > happy that we have building codes requiring building contractors to comply > with ordinances. It means that the 6 story I work in is not coming down to > the ground with just any old earthquake. I think of Apple's control over the > software that ends up running on the iPhone exactly like those building > codes. > > Bob > > > On May 10, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > > > Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, on the > subject. > > > > http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311 > > > > Chipp Walters > > CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc > > > > On May 10, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > > >> Really?? That is what Apple wants? > >> > >> > >> On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > >> > >>> Josh, > >>> > >>> The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. > They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From jmyepes at mac.com Mon May 10 15:26:11 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command In-Reply-To: <1273518774088-2172787.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273508577855-2171784.post@n4.nabble.com> <1273512996766-2172668.post@n4.nabble.com> <1273518774088-2172787.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1273519571393-2172800.post@n4.nabble.com> Mmhh.. but with the backpattern in correct position how crop only these shape... Sorry for my questions, never I must fighted with graphics issues in Rev until now... :) The following is posible? 1 Export the snapshot ruled by the rect of a polygon over one part of the image. 2 Load the exported image and superpose the same graphic and make transparent the difference. I don't know if I explain myself. 3 Save as transparent the image 4 Load the transparent image over the original image. It's for simulate painted walls, and I need extract the windows, picture frames and other nice stuff... :P Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2172800.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From chipp at altuit.com Mon May 10 15:30:00 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:30:00 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <2B958C7A-F33C-425B-9F9A-55321537784F@twft.com> References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com> <9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net> <8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com> <222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net> <40A5380D-3949-4A19-9A72-F8D39EC966F8@twft.com> <2B958C7A-F33C-425B-9F9A-55321537784F@twft.com> Message-ID: <51DDA9FE-3886-474B-9E7C-D7AE113CBAFA@altuit.com> Bob, You're more than welcome to your opinion as an Apple apologist-- though I would say your timing right now is probably not the best. I disagree with just about everything you say. You obviously haven't been following our discussion here over the past few weeks where all of your points have been addressed. I have documented my discussion fairly well at the blogs: http://shaferwaltersgroup.posterous.com/ and http://chippwalters.posterous.com/ Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 10, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Oh I see. I think it was the word "outlaw" that tripped me up. I guess if you see the iPad as an asset belonging to all of us, you would get the feeling that Apple is "outlawing" cross platform development. But I don't think any iPad but the one I buy belongs to me or anyone else. > > I don't see what Apple is doing as being monopolistic or engaging in Anti-trust. What they are trying to discourage is using tools to develop apps that can dramatically change the look and feel of their device, or affect stability, or lend themselves to obsolescence, or worse yet, to hinder advancements in the iPhone OS. Anyone remember how many times Microsoft said they were done with DOS, or how long Windows had to deal with the restrictions of the old hardware PC spec? Ball and chain comes to my mind. > > Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many of the apps originally written for the iPhone were so buggy they were causing kernel crashes all the time? Who would get the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt to defend themselves would have been deemed finger pointing. I for one am happy that we have building codes requiring building contractors to comply with ordinances. It means that the 6 story I work in is not coming down to the ground with just any old earthquake. I think of Apple's control over the software that ends up running on the iPhone exactly like those building codes. From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon May 10 15:29:06 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:29:06 -0700 Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command In-Reply-To: <1273518774088-2172787.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Recently, JosepM wrote: > I understand you but I don't know the "hidden point" technique :) > Where add a space in the polygon's list? A polygon is derived from a list of points, one per line: 23,181 42,190 36,195 23,181 Adding an empty line between points in the list adds an invisible point to the polygon that changes the polygon's dimensions without adding to the fill or stroke of the polygon. 5,181 23,181 42,190 36,195 23,181 Using this technique, one could establish the *physical* topleft of a polygon to occur at one location while the *visible* topleft of the polygon occurs at a different location. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon May 10 15:31:34 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:31:34 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <2B958C7A-F33C-425B-9F9A-55321537784F@twft.com> Message-ID: Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I don't see what Apple is doing as being monopolistic or engaging in > Anti-trust. What they are trying to discourage is using tools to develop apps > that can dramatically change the look and feel of their device, or affect > stability, or lend themselves to obsolescence, or worse yet, to hinder > advancements in the iPhone OS. I would say denying developers tools of their choice will probably do a good enough job of hindering advancement of iPhone OS. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon May 10 15:36:35 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1273520195770-2172817.post@n4.nabble.com> Very, very sorry to hear this, despite having had no personal interest in developing in Rev for iPhone or iPad. It is a serious disappointment, and you along with many others deserved better from Apple. Which they will one day come to understand. These things always come around in the end. Good luck with Android. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/News-on-revMobile-tp2172670p2172817.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From randall at randallreetz.com Mon May 10 15:54:33 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:54:33 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Message-ID: <20100510195437.OCWJ486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Thank you... Well said. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Sneidar Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:09 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone Oh I see. I think it was the word "outlaw" that tripped me up. I guess if you see the iPad as an asset belonging to all of us, you would get the feeling that Apple is "outlawing" cross platform development. But I don't think any iPad but the one I buy belongs to me or anyone else. I don't see what Apple is doing as being monopolistic or engaging in Anti-trust. What they are trying to discourage is using tools to develop apps that can dramatically change the look and feel of their device, or affect stability, or lend themselves to obsolescence, or worse yet, to hinder advancements in the iPhone OS. Anyone remember how many times Microsoft said they were done with DOS, or how long Windows had to deal with the restrictions of the old hardware PC spec? Ball and chain comes to my mind. Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many of the apps originally written for the iPhone were so buggy they were causing kernel crashes all the time? Who would get the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt to defend themselves would have been deemed finger pointing. I for one am happy that we have building codes requiring building contractors to comply with ordinances. It means that the 6 story I work in is not coming down to the ground with just any old earthquake. I think of Apple's control over the software that ends up running on the iPhone exactly like those building codes. Bob On May 10, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, on the subject. > > http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311 > > Chipp Walters > CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc > > On May 10, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> Really?? That is what Apple wants? >> >> >> On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: >> >>> Josh, >>> >>> The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon May 10 15:54:52 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:54:52 -0700 Subject: single bit contact closure input [macintosh] In-Reply-To: References: <2f18c.14b0a7d.39146fb2@aol.com> Message-ID: That is the cheapest USB solution. At this point I'm thinking of trying some kind of IP based device if I'm going to use a piece of hardware to do this - the 15 foot USB limit is somewhat restrictive. "Revolution on a Network based Chip" would be cool about now... On 10 May 2010 01:18, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:47 AM, stephen barncard < > stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > > > yes, very nice stuff. A "Revolution External" is mentioned. > > > > A little late to the thread but I think this might be a cheaper option - > 8/8/8: > > http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?category=0 > > Someones written an AppleScript OSAX to go with it, which might suit your > needs, if you were the one that wrote the original AS: > > http://www.phidgets.com/phorum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2536 > > > > > > A lot of trouble for one bit. Maybe I'll just hack a couple of wires to > the > > M key on an old keyboard. > > > > Still, as you say, a lot of extra there for just a single bit. > > HTH > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Mon May 10 16:15:07 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:15:07 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: <2B958C7A-F33C-425B-9F9A-55321537784F@twft.com> References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com><9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net><8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com><222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net><40A5380D-3949-4A19-9A72-F8D39EC966F8@twft.com> <2B958C7A-F33C-425B-9F9A-55321537784F@twft.com> Message-ID: > Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many > of the apps originally written for the iPhone were so buggy > they were causing kernel crashes all the time? Who would get > the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt to defend themselves > would have been deemed finger pointing. I don't want to dig into this snowball but I have first hand experience with this on Mac OS. Apple isn't shy about blaming the developer at all. When I was at Now, and later at Qualcomm peddling Eudora, I had first hand knowledge of Apple support blaming bugginess on the developer, no matter what the cause. Later when those early, very lame releases of Mac OS X were released and an application caused havok, it was the vendor's fault, not that the underlying structure changing so radically from a .# to .#. Apple finger points just fine if they think its necessary. There is a less draconian solution. Make it possible to install non App Store apps, but have all the restrictions apply to App Store apps. That way, if Apple is right and non tested/non conforming apps are so bad, then customers will only buy from the App Store. That lets the customer and the market decide. App Store apps can even live in a different partition to keep them separate from dirty, filthy non conforming apps, so that they could survive a hardware reset. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com From bvlahos at mac.com Mon May 10 16:19:28 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:19:28 -0700 Subject: Send delete file in time Message-ID: I want to delete a file on disk but not do it immediately. If I just issue the "delete file..." command it works right away. delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName -- Works How do I issue the command to delete it in 20 seconds? If I issue the following it gets a compiler error "missing a comma near the to". send delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName to this stack in 20 seconds -- Gets a compiler error Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon May 10 16:25:50 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:25:50 +0200 Subject: Send delete file in time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill, put "The original name" into originalFileName send "deleteFile originalFileName" to me in 20 secs on deleteFile originalFileName delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName end deleteFile -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html On 10 mei 2010, at 22:19, Bill Vlahos wrote: > I want to delete a file on disk but not do it immediately. If I just > issue the "delete file..." command it works right away. > delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName -- Works > > How do I issue the command to delete it in 20 seconds? If I issue > the following it gets a compiler error "missing a comma near the to". > send delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName to this stack in > 20 seconds -- Gets a compiler error > > Bill Vlahos From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon May 10 16:27:30 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:27:30 -0700 Subject: Send delete file in time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Bill Vlahos wrote: > I want to delete a file on disk but not do it immediately. If I just issue the > "delete file..." command it works right away. > delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName -- Works > > How do I issue the command to delete it in 20 seconds? If I issue the > following it gets a compiler error "missing a comma near the to". > send delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName to this stack in 20 seconds > -- Gets a compiler error Create a new handler/command and send it after 20 seconds. send "deleteTempFile pFileName" to me in 20 secs on deleteTempFile pFileName delete file "Folder/temp/" & pFileName end deleteTempFile Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From chipp at chipp.com Mon May 10 16:31:01 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:31:01 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone ->[OT] Now Message-ID: You were at Now? What a great company. Now-Up-To-Date was the best group calendar our company ever used. And Boomerang hasn't seen it's match since! On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Lynn Fredricks < lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote: > When I was at Now, > From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Mon May 10 16:32:34 2010 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:32:34 +0200 Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command Message-ID: <4BE86D62.6050800@hrz.uni-kassel.de> JosepM jmyepes at mac.com wrote: > OK. Now is imported into imagedata, but now say that is not a > rectangle... :( > buf... > > It's posible to export or copy a portion of the image but with a irregular > shape? and Scott Rossi scott at tactilemedia.com answered: > Recently, Devin Asay wrote: > > > Crop only works with a rectangle. There may be others on the list > who have > > figured out how to use an irregular shape as an image mask. > > You can't. You can only group the graphic and image and use combined ink > effects. Very limiting. You can see the Spotlight demo on this page > as an > example: > Hello Joseph, It *is* possible to "export or copy a portion of the image but with a irregular shape". Check out our stack "More about masks" Best regards, Wilhelm Sanke From bvlahos at mac.com Mon May 10 16:46:58 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:46:58 -0700 Subject: Send delete file in time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark and Scott, You guys are awesome. That worked. Thank you, Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On May 10, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Bill Vlahos wrote: > >> I want to delete a file on disk but not do it immediately. If I just issue the >> "delete file..." command it works right away. >> delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName -- Works >> >> How do I issue the command to delete it in 20 seconds? If I issue the >> following it gets a compiler error "missing a comma near the to". >> send delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName to this stack in 20 seconds >> -- Gets a compiler error > > Create a new handler/command and send it after 20 seconds. > > send "deleteTempFile pFileName" to me in 20 secs > > on deleteTempFile pFileName > delete file "Folder/temp/" & pFileName > end deleteTempFile > > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Mon May 10 16:48:09 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:48:09 -0700 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: <1273520195770-2172817.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273520195770-2172817.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I would like to offer my personal apologies for my defense of Steve Jobs and Apple. If I had been asked to bet on whether or not Steve Jobs would have accepted the very fair proposal that RunRev made, I would have give odds that he would. I think I see now that Steve Jobs is taking the stance that any development environment for the iPhone/iPad that is not their own is unacceptable, even if the finished app is demonstrably identical to one from their own compiler. So this is NOT about interpretation layers and compatibility after all, as he let on in his now famous post. This is about absolute control. I just had a very long chat with an Apple Store employee. I got to the place where he insisted that Apple has always exhibited this level of control over their products. I said, "Really? Well actually they have not. Would you really want the same kind of approval process we have for iPhone/iPad apps enforced for ALL apps for ALL apple products?" His answer was, "Well if it improves stability, sure, why not?" Be afraid. Be very afraid. Bob From chipp at chipp.com Mon May 10 16:53:13 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:53:13 -0500 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: <4BE85234.4090902@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE85234.4090902@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Great links Richard. I would suggest anyone remotely interested in developing for Android should check them out! I seriously doubt Google and Android would pull such a stunt as Jobs and try and outlaw cross platform dev apps for Android. After all, unlike Apple, they have a mantra, and it is "Do No Evil." On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Well done, Kevin. > > Steve has spoken, you did your best, and now we can all move forward in > good and strong company into this new mobile arena: > > > I?m Abandoning iPhone Development. Mobile Orchard To Stop Publication. > > > 70% of iPhone developers heading to Android, says AdMob > < > http://www.mobile-ent.biz/news/36460/70-of-iPhone-developers-heading-to-Android-says-AdMob > > > > Android catches up to iPhone in dev interest as iPad cools > < > http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03/31/devs.as.likely.to.code.for.android.as.iphone/ > > > > Android phones now outsell Apple's iPhone in US > < > http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/10/npd_android_phones_now_outsell_apples_iphone_in_us.html > > > > Android Jumps Past iPhone in U.S. Mobile Web Use > < > http://www.fastcompany.com/1630554/android-jumps-past-iphone-in-us-mobile-web-use > > > > Android Market app count surges 68% in March > < > http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/04/07/sudden.rush.of.android.apps.tracked/ > > > > > Steve Jobs has made a decisive move, and I'll be following his advice: > I'm getting an Android-powered phone. :) > From bobs at twft.com Mon May 10 16:57:02 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:57:02 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com><9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net><8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com><222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net><40A5380D-3949-4A19-9A72-F8D39EC966F8@twft.com> <2B958C7A-F33C-425B-9F9A-55321537784F@twft.com> Message-ID: You worked for Now Software? That is in my opinion one of the best software companies I ever had dealings with. I really loved their Contact/Up-To-Date. Concerning my prior posts, I had been operating on the assumption that Steve Jobs was making reasonable decisions based on concerns about compatibility, stability and longevity, but after his recent rejection of the proposal that Runrev has made, I don't think that way anymore. I think Steve Jobs is falling into that trap where people think absolute control results in some kind of utopia. I think he is wrong. Cooperation, and all the evils and good that come along with it is the only way he is going to progress the platform. Otherwise Apple really is going to become another Microsoft. Bob On May 10, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: >> Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many >> of the apps originally written for the iPhone were so buggy >> they were causing kernel crashes all the time? Who would get >> the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt to defend themselves >> would have been deemed finger pointing. > > I don't want to dig into this snowball but I have first hand experience with > this on Mac OS. > > Apple isn't shy about blaming the developer at all. When I was at Now, and > later at Qualcomm peddling Eudora, I had first hand knowledge of Apple > support blaming bugginess on the developer, no matter what the cause. Later > when those early, very lame releases of Mac OS X were released and an > application caused havok, it was the vendor's fault, not that the underlying > structure changing so radically from a .# to .#. > > Apple finger points just fine if they think its necessary. > > There is a less draconian solution. Make it possible to install non App > Store apps, but have all the restrictions apply to App Store apps. That way, > if Apple is right and non tested/non conforming apps are so bad, then > customers will only buy from the App Store. That lets the customer and the > market decide. App Store apps can even live in a different partition to keep > them separate from dirty, filthy non conforming apps, so that they could > survive a hardware reset. > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > Mirye Software Publishing > http://www.mirye.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at altuit.com Mon May 10 17:05:25 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:05:25 -0500 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: References: <1273520195770-2172817.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2A95E2F4-42A7-4FB9-8BE5-2DCBFBA73177@altuit.com> I guess they don't hire geniuses at those Apple stores. ;-) Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 10, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I would like to offer my personal apologies for my defense of Steve Jobs and Apple. If I had been asked to bet on whether or not Steve Jobs would have accepted the very fair proposal that RunRev made, I would have give odds that he would. I think I see now that Steve Jobs is taking the stance that any development environment for the iPhone/iPad that is not their own is unacceptable, even if the finished app is demonstrably identical to one from their own compiler. > > So this is NOT about interpretation layers and compatibility after all, as he let on in his now famous post. This is about absolute control. I just had a very long chat with an Apple Store employee. I got to the place where he insisted that Apple has always exhibited this level of control over their products. I said, "Really? Well actually they have not. Would you really want the same kind of approval process we have for iPhone/iPad apps enforced for ALL apps for ALL apple products?" His answer was, "Well if it improves stability, sure, why not?" > > Be afraid. Be very afraid. > > Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Mon May 10 17:08:55 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:08:55 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone ->[OT] Now In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5CB4DCE3402B4D798186C02211C04890@GATEWAY> > You were at Now? What a great company. Now-Up-To-Date was the > best group calendar our company ever used. And Boomerang > hasn't seen it's match since! It was a great company. I was international sales manager there, then after it was acquired by Qualcomm, went over and did my thing there. Sadly, a few years later Qualcomm sold it all off to a "new" Now Software. They never got a successor out the door and ended up closing earlier this year. The laid back Portland culture didn't quite mesh with Qualcomm. There was a time during a mass staff phone conference (team in San Diego, team in Portland) on a Friday when a tech writer came into the room announcing "Oh yeah, the keg is here!", while rolling in the Beer Bash Friday keg (a forbidden practice at qualcomm). A VP on the other end said "what was that?" Then a marketing guy in Portland said "Yeah, the *cake* is here - its Greg's birthday!" So the SD team sang Greg a Happy Birthday song as we lined up with our plastic cups... What is funny is the very last release of Now Utilities actually came from my own budget. We had a bunch of fixes made to placate our Japanese friends who sold NU-J. Qualcomm sat on the English version for over a year until they finally got around to releasing it to the world. I was long gone at that point. Now was quite close to Apple back then. Good times indeed. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Mon May 10 17:14:29 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:14:29 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <4BE655F5.4080108@hyperactivesw.com><9AFA4974-214F-4930-969F-E1999523680F@dvcreators.net><8A2E0FF4-52C4-4054-A443-01EC74863B6E@qldlearning.com><222FDE0B-00B2-4A02-B21D-A5B11CA81568@dvcreators.net><40A5380D-3949-4A19-9A72-F8D39EC966F8@twft.com><2B958C7A-F33C-425B-9F9A-55321537784F@twft.com> Message-ID: > Concerning my prior posts, I had been operating on the > assumption that Steve Jobs was making reasonable decisions > based on concerns about compatibility, stability and > longevity, but after his recent rejection of the proposal > that Runrev has made, I don't think that way anymore. I think > Steve Jobs is falling into that trap where people think > absolute control results in some kind of utopia. I think he is wrong. He's a smart, smart guy - nobody is infallible though. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com From chipp at altuit.com Mon May 10 17:43:57 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:43:57 -0500 Subject: [OT] InfoWorld's Peace Plan for Apple vs Adobe Message-ID: <7A2B29D7-BF3A-449D-BC2C-49D1DE5283B3@altuit.com> http://www.infoworld.com/print/122878 Interesting read. I suspect Adobe may play, but will Apple? Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Mon May 10 17:44:53 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 23:44:53 +0200 Subject: [Data Grid] Template column behavior problem Message-ID: Hi All and presumably Trevor, I have two Data Grids Tables, one in a mainstack and another in a substack. I duplicated my mainstack Data Grid in the substack by a quick copy/paste, and I defined a column behavior in my substack Data Grid. So, in the two Data Grids, I have the same column names. It seems my column in the mainstack Data Grid inherits the column behavior of the second. I can understand what happens if I refer to the lesson "How Do I Customize A Table's Columns?" <.quote> Here is what the table looks like now that I've defined some custom column templates. The table found controls named "Genre", "Time" and "My Rating" in the record template group so those were used to render the data for those three columns. <./quote> If I assume that it exists one card template group for each Data Grid I created in a stack: - Is my problem can come from this duplication? - Can I fix it by setting manually the dgColumnTemplate? TIA for any help. 8-) Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon May 10 18:18:47 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:18:47 -0400 Subject: Will trade iPhone development for revServer development Message-ID: I am willing to discuss trading equal services for those that were relying on developing for the iPhone/iPad. I have written four applications for the iPhone and iPad so far, two of which are for my self and two others were for a client. I have been prototyping iPhone apps since the beginning and smartphone apps for nine years, eight of which were in RunRev. The four applications were written exclusively in ObjectiveC using Apples APIs and Apples xCode application. What I need in return is some revServer work to compliment a few of my iPhone/iPad projects. If you are interested in swapping time for time let me know off list at mcgrath3 at mac.com Sincerely, Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today? http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com DeMoted on the iTune App Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8 From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Mon May 10 18:53:10 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 23:53:10 +0100 Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: References: <4BE84B15.6000002@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On 10 May 2010 19:11, Andre Garzia wrote: > > As soon as Rev works well on Linux, I will switch back to Linux making a > comeback to the land of the free just like I did a switch from linux to > macs > in 2000. > Me too! Actually, in the same way that it looks like the future of consumer oriented operating systems at Apple is going to be the iPhone OS, it also looks like the (consumer oriented) Linux of the future is going to be Android. For me, this bodes well in the longer term for Revolution. That is because at last RunRev will be forced to prioritize both Linux (ie Android) and to create a robust open source development strategy. I'm NOT talking here about open sourcing all of the Revolution engine - but because of the way I understand RunRev are proposing developing for Android, it does seem that there will be a need to start to engage with a wider open source community. This is because the Rev engine will be called by Android front end widgets - which in turn will be open source. In other words the front end will be open source and the Rev back end closed. This in turn will mean that belatedly RunRev will inevitably be led down the path of learning how to use classic open source community building strategies. This in turn will have spin off benefits for the server side integration with other open source platforms. I'd predict that in time, Apple will open up, and we'll get Rev on iOS, so while I love the iPad and iPhone platforms as consumer oriented hardware (and will have to shelve 2 iPad related projects) - I'm secretly really pleased about the new focus on Android :) From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon May 10 18:57:42 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 00:57:42 +0200 Subject: Ann: SearchListLib Message-ID: <8CF4D490-AC9A-47AD-AF4C-4381254BF300@economy-x-talk.com> Hello Rev users, Today, I have been working on a search list field, which ended up as a library. SearchListLib is a freeware library for Runtime Revolution. Enter text in a field and watch all relevant items in your list appear in a menu. The result is similar to a combobox, but it shows relevant items only and handles keystrokes such as tab, escape and return better. You can download SearchListLib from http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html at the bottom of the page. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Mon May 10 19:21:58 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 00:21:58 +0100 Subject: [OT] InfoWorld's Peace Plan for Apple vs Adobe In-Reply-To: <7A2B29D7-BF3A-449D-BC2C-49D1DE5283B3@altuit.com> References: <7A2B29D7-BF3A-449D-BC2C-49D1DE5283B3@altuit.com> Message-ID: <2BF48F22-B69D-4365-BC23-548540CE69E5@azurevision.co.uk> Unfortunately step 1 in their peace plan shows a frightening lack of technical knowledge, and the other points aren't much better. :-( VP6 and Spark would both have to be decoded on the CPU, leading to *exactly* the kind of battery draining performance that Jobs complained about. h264 plays acceptably on mobiles because they have dedicated h264-decoding chips built in. Plus as far as I'm aware Mobile Safari doesn't have a plug-in architecture in the first place... Ian On 10 May 2010, at 22:43, Chipp Walters wrote: > http://www.infoworld.com/print/122878 > > Interesting read. I suspect Adobe may play, but will Apple? > > Chipp Walters > CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon May 10 19:50:01 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:50:01 -0700 Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Devin Asay wrote: >> OK. Now is imported into imagedata, but now say that is not a rectangle... :( >> buf... >> >> It's posible to export or copy a portion of the image but with a irregular >> shape? >> >> Maybe I trying something not posible... > > Crop only works with a rectangle. There may be others on the list who have > figured out how to use an irregular shape as an image mask. It just occurred to me, if you don't mind using the group/ink option, you can mask using the technique shown on the second card of this stack (execute the following in your message box): go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/downloads/masking_options.rev" Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From davidocoker at gmail.com Mon May 10 20:57:53 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:57:53 -0500 Subject: Slightly OT: Interesting stats in light of Kevin's announcement Message-ID: I ran across this and thought it was interesting in light of today's announcement in regard to future plans for revMobile. "The day is coming when all mobile phones will be ?smart," and the majority of them will be running something besides the iPhone OS." http://tiny.cc/nbsy9 Best regards, David C. From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Mon May 10 21:19:25 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: News on revMobile In-Reply-To: References: <4BE84B15.6000002@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Yeah, the Newton is awesome... the eMate even more so. Judy On Mon, 10 May 2010, Andre Garzia wrote: > And after one day using my iPad I *must* say this: MY NEWTON STILL > BETTER!!!! From niconiko at gmail.com Mon May 10 21:43:12 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:43:12 +0900 Subject: export snapshot transparent? Message-ID: Hello, To convert into transparent images (PNG or GIF) each of the words in a word-list, I am thinking of using Rev's "export snapshot" thus: put "elephant" into tNewWordEnglish put adjustFieldSizeToWordLength(tNewWordEnglish) into tNewRect set the rect of field "exportEnglish" to tNewRect put tNewWordEnglish into field "exportEnglish" export snapshot from rect tNewRect of window tWIS to file tPath as PNG put "zousan" into tNewWordJapanese ... Obviously this isn't going to result in a transparent image but, is there a way of configuring "things" so that it might? Thank you. (And if you're wondering why export the words as images instead of simply relying on text-fields... to ensure young Japanese learners see font-wise what their teacher rather than the OS's limitations intended. I realize there's "revFontLoad", but long painful experience teaches me to not rely on how Rev and Windows-on-Japanese-PCs interact font-wise. Even today, despite running the latest version of Rev on the latest Windows OS, when coding in Rev my fingers automatically adjust to Rev's imaginary keyboard layout rather than the actual physical keyboard layout of my Japanese machine.) -- Nicolas Cueto From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Mon May 10 21:56:03 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:56:03 +1000 Subject: export snapshot transparent? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You could copy the word you want to create an image of into a transparent (non-opaque) field, resize it to fit the text (using formattedWidth and formattedHeight), then use the import snapshot command to create an image object. This will retain the transparency and you can do whatever you want with it from there (e.g. Export it in whatever format or use it within Rev). HTH, Terry... On 11/05/10 11:43 AM, "Nicolas Cueto" wrote: > Hello, > > To convert into transparent images (PNG or GIF) each of the words in a > word-list, I am thinking of using Rev's "export snapshot" thus: > > put "elephant" into tNewWordEnglish > put adjustFieldSizeToWordLength(tNewWordEnglish) into tNewRect > set the rect of field "exportEnglish" to tNewRect > put tNewWordEnglish into field "exportEnglish" > export snapshot from rect tNewRect of window tWIS to file tPath as PNG > put "zousan" into tNewWordJapanese > ... > > Obviously this isn't going to result in a transparent image but, is > there a way of configuring "things" so that it might? > > Thank you. > > (And if you're wondering why export the words as images instead of > simply relying on text-fields... to ensure young Japanese learners see > font-wise what their teacher rather than the OS's limitations > intended. I realize there's "revFontLoad", but long painful experience > teaches me to not rely on how Rev and Windows-on-Japanese-PCs interact > font-wise. Even today, despite running the latest version of Rev on > the latest Windows OS, when coding in Rev my fingers automatically > adjust to Rev's imaginary keyboard layout rather than the actual > physical keyboard layout of my Japanese machine.) > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mfstuart at cox.net Mon May 10 22:21:24 2010 From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Application Information - how to read from settings Message-ID: <1273544484455-2173223.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi all, Anyone know how to read the stacks Standalone Application Settings? Such as: Product Name, File Version, Product Version, Comments, Legal Trademarks, etc... I don't want to have to duplicate my own globals or constants and have to maintain them. And what are the variable names for these settings? Regards, Mark Stuart -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Application-Information-how-to-read-from-settings-tp2173223p2173223.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From davidocoker at gmail.com Mon May 10 22:34:49 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:34:49 -0500 Subject: Strange results in deletion of lines Message-ID: Hey folks, I've run into something weird again (at least it seems weird to me) and need some help. I have a variable named tHold that contains the following (targeted) lines of text among many others: FB460V-CS05 FD620DCS26 FD751VAS00 FE290DDS00 FE290DES17 FE400DES03 FH381VAS29R FH430VBT25M What I'm trying to do is to delete any line that begins with "F" and the working code looks something like this: put the number of lines in tHold into tCount repeat with j = 1 to tCount if character 1 of line j of tHold = "F" then delete line j of tHold end repeat For some reason that I cannot detect, it removes only 4 of the eight potential lines that are targeted although they all clearly begin with an "F". I've checked and double-checked my sample data to make sure there are not any spaces preceding the "F" character for each. Ideas? Better method? Best regards, David C. From niconiko at gmail.com Mon May 10 22:42:22 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:42:22 +0900 Subject: export snapshot transparent? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Terry, thank you for pointing out "import snapshot". It almost worked. Problem is outerGlow is lost during import. In the original text-field, I use outerGlow to add fuzziness to the edges of letters. Tried to get around this by setting the outerGlow of the imported image the same as the text-field and then exporting. But, the exported image too loses the graphic effect. Is there a way around this too? -- Nicolas Cueto From mcgrath3 at mac.com Mon May 10 22:43:08 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:43:08 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- ALICE port In-Reply-To: References: <20100508225654.MEK486.schemailmta03.cingularme.com@Inbox> <20100509222154.SVRW19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> <08B6D004-F561-4BD2-9EAB-C85443302206@altuit.com> <1273473431281-2165001.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BE8399A.80709@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <68CBCC4E-7A92-4AE7-A7D1-846768CF07B8@mac.com> I am so very very interested in pushing an ALICE port to the next level. If you have a start in MC, regardless of code quality, it would still be the spark needed for pushing a new effort in creating this. Again, I have wanted to create this for a long time with many false starts and course corrections. I actually started one years ago in SC but have since lost that code. So, if anyone else is interested in working on this I am ready to devote some time to it. Our community could use a project like this in times like this, I think. Jacque? David? This would be most awesome. Tom McGrath On May 10, 2010, at 1:30 PM, David Bovill wrote: > Yes I did - but this was a very very long time ago - back when i was using > MetaCard (some time last century - so I can't vouch for the code quality). I > was interested at the time in using it for customer service and game > applications... and in the end I figured it was better to simply run an > Alice server and call it as a web service than have to maintain an extra > code base. > > On 10 May 2010 17:51, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> David Bovill wrote: >> >>> On 10 May 2010 07:37, Alejandro Tejada wrote: >>> >>> Many years ago, someone mentioned in this list that him/her/them was >>>> working in a revTalk port of ALICE. I just keep wondering if that >>>> project was completed sucessfully... >>>> >>>> >>> Yes - I did that. I truly apologies to all on this list :( I forgot to >>> code >>> the off button. >>> >> >> Did you really, or was this an amusing comeback only? I would love to see a >> Rev port of ALICE. Did anyone actually do that? >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Mon May 10 22:48:47 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:48:47 +1000 Subject: Strange results in deletion of lines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David - unless you have huge numbers of lines it's probably easiest to just use the filter command. filter tHold without "F*" The reason your repeat method isn't working is that tCount is only valid until the first deletion takes place So either use... repeat with j = tCount down to 1 if char 1 of line j of tHold is "F" then delete line j of tHold end repeat Or use the repeat for each form and build a new list as you go... put empty into tList repeat for each line tID in tHold if char 1 of tID is "F" then put tID cr after tList end repeat delete last char of tList -- removes the trailing CR HTH, Terry... On 11/05/10 12:34 PM, "David C." wrote: > Hey folks, > I've run into something weird again (at least it seems weird to me) > and need some help. I have a variable named tHold that contains the > following (targeted) lines of text among many others: > > FB460V-CS05 > FD620DCS26 > FD751VAS00 > FE290DDS00 > FE290DES17 > FE400DES03 > FH381VAS29R > FH430VBT25M > > What I'm trying to do is to delete any line that begins with "F" and > the working code looks something like this: > > put the number of lines in tHold into tCount > > repeat with j = 1 to tCount > if character 1 of line j of tHold = "F" then delete line j of tHold > end repeat > > For some reason that I cannot detect, it removes only 4 of the eight > potential lines that are targeted although they all clearly begin with > an "F". I've checked and double-checked my sample data to make sure > there are not any spaces preceding the "F" character for each. > > Ideas? Better method? > > Best regards, > David C. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From josh at dvcreators.net Mon May 10 22:50:53 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:50:53 -0700 Subject: That nice XML exporter for stacks... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Andr?, There's this: http://revcoders.org/resources/exportscripts.rev.zip it doesn't export as XML, but a text file... and scripts only, no props. But if you have to start from scratch I hope it saves you some time in creating what you really want. On May 10, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hello Folks, > > Anyone here remember a sample stack that would export a Rev stack with all > properties and scripts to an XML file? > > I don't see it anymore in the bundled files. If you guys don't remember it > is ok, but can someone here think a clever way to iterate over all controls? > is something along the lines of > > repeat with x = 1 to the number of cards in the cardnames of this stack > repeat with y = 1 to the number of controls in card x of this stack > ... > end repeat > end repeat > > ok? > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From niconiko at gmail.com Mon May 10 22:50:56 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:50:56 +0900 Subject: Strange results in deletion of lines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, When you "delete line j of tHold", the number of lines in tHold changes. So, tCount no longer meshes. This is what I do instead: put empty into tHoldFiltered repeat for each line tLine in tHold if character 1 of tLine is "F" then next repeat put tLine & cr after tHoldFiltered end repeat if tHoldFiltered is not empty then delete the last char of tHoldFiltered put tHoldFiltered into tHold Cheers. -- Nicolas Cueto From josh at dvcreators.net Mon May 10 23:06:09 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:06:09 -0700 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> Message-ID: <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> With all sympathies to those who are understandably deeply disappointed, there is a silver lining to this news: On May 10, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > ...we are ...focusing on developing significant and exciting enhancements to the Rev platform. We have many exciting projects in the pipeline including an overhaul to our Unicode support, enhanced text display... If this pipeline also includes improving core functionality of the desktop IDE, from things like the player object to widgets to fixing bugs, as well as more focus on feature parity for Linux, it could end up being great for all of us. For a small company, focusing on core competencies is a really good thing, and the one thing RunRev unquestionably does better than anyone else in the world is a best-in-class cross-platform desktop software dev environment. On May 10, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > We've broken haggis together. Then you've gone further than I ever would :-) From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon May 10 23:06:22 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:06:22 -0700 Subject: Application Information - how to read from settings Message-ID: <4BE8C9AE.4010000@fourthworld.com> Mark Stuart wrote: > Anyone know how to read the stacks Standalone Application Settings? > Such as: > Product Name, File Version, Product Version, Comments, Legal Trademarks, > etc... Those are stored in a custom property set named cRevStandaloneSettings, which are part of the mainstack of the stack file that becomes your executable. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From davidocoker at gmail.com Mon May 10 23:06:23 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:06:23 -0500 Subject: Strange results in deletion of lines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > David - unless you have huge numbers of lines it's probably easiest to just > use the filter command. > > filter tHold without "F*" The list is currently running almost 30,000 lines and this is just the first stage of the required processing, so I'll try the other approaches that you and Nicolas have offered. > When you "delete line j of tHold", the number of lines in tHold > changes. So, tCount no longer meshes That actually makes a lot of sense now that you mention it... guess I've been overlooking the obvious. Thank you very much to both Terry & Nicolas. Best regards, David C. From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Mon May 10 23:13:21 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 13:13:21 +1000 Subject: export snapshot transparent? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/05/10 12:42 PM, "Nicolas Cueto" wrote: > Terry, thank you for pointing out "import snapshot". > > It almost worked. > > Problem is outerGlow is lost during import. In the original > text-field, I use outerGlow to add fuzziness to the edges of letters. > > Tried to get around this by setting the outerGlow of the imported > image the same as the text-field and then exporting. But, the exported > image too loses the graphic effect. > > Is there a way around this too? If you want to maintain the transparency then apparently not. You might be able to fashion a solution in Rev if you use import or export snapshot to grab the relevant part of the screen ? this retains the graphic effect but gives you an opaque background. Use a white background and convert your field coordinates to screen coords using globalLoc before you take your snapshot, then when you've got your snapshot in Rev apply an appropriate ink effect to it to render the background transparent (blendMultiply might do it for you). HTH, Terry... > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon May 10 23:13:32 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 13:13:32 +1000 Subject: Strange results in deletion of lines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> When you "delete line j of tHold", the number of lines in tHold >> changes. So, tCount no longer meshes > > That actually makes a lot of sense now that you mention it... guess > I've been overlooking the obvious. If you really want to do it with a loop, count backwards, then it will work fine. repeat with j = tCount down to 1 if character 1 of line j of tHold = "F" then delete line j of tHold end repeat Cheers, Sarah From mfstuart at cox.net Mon May 10 23:13:39 2010 From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Application Information - how to read from settings In-Reply-To: <4BE8C9AE.4010000@fourthworld.com> References: <1273544484455-2173223.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BE8C9AE.4010000@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1273547619229-2173253.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Richard, I placed a button on the Main stack and put this script into it: on mouseUp put the cRevStandaloneSettings of this stack into tSettings answer tSettings end mouseUp but it displayed nothing in the dialog. What am I missing? Regards, Mark Stuart -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Application-Information-how-to-read-from-settings-tp2173223p2173253.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon May 10 23:20:31 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:20:31 -0700 Subject: export snapshot transparent? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > Problem is outerGlow is lost during import. In the original > text-field, I use outerGlow to add fuzziness to the edges of letters. > > Tried to get around this by setting the outerGlow of the imported > image the same as the text-field and then exporting. But, the exported > image too loses the graphic effect. > > Is there a way around this too? If you need to maintain transparency, the easiest way is to group the things you want to export, with enough margin space to accommodate the glow effects, and export the group. If you don't need transparency, you can just export from a rect which is large enough to include the glow. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon May 10 23:26:02 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:26:02 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- ALICE port In-Reply-To: <68CBCC4E-7A92-4AE7-A7D1-846768CF07B8@mac.com> Message-ID: Recently, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I am so very very interested in pushing an ALICE port to the next level. What are you thinking of building here Tom? The last version I saw was when EA had partnered with Carnegie Mellon -- I now see that Sun is the latest collaborator. I'm downloading the latest version as I write this, but since they have IDEs for Win/Mac platforms, I'm curious what would you expect to provide with a Rev port. Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Mon May 10 23:26:49 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 13:26:49 +1000 Subject: Strange results in deletion of lines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/05/10 1:06 PM, "David C." wrote: >> David - unless you have huge numbers of lines it's probably easiest to just >> use the filter command. >> >> filter tHold without "F*" > > The list is currently running almost 30,000 lines and this is just the > first stage of the required processing, so I'll try the other > approaches that you and Nicolas have offered. David - if you have that many lines and you need to run each line though a number of processes then I'd definitely use the repeat for each form. Terry... > >> When you "delete line j of tHold", the number of lines in tHold >> changes. So, tCount no longer meshes > > That actually makes a lot of sense now that you mention it... guess > I've been overlooking the obvious. > > Thank you very much to both Terry & Nicolas. > > Best regards, > David C. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Mon May 10 23:29:31 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 13:29:31 +1000 Subject: export snapshot transparent? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > If you need to maintain transparency, the easiest way is to group the things > you want to export, with enough margin space to accommodate the glow > effects, and export the group. Nice. Terry... > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon May 10 23:29:45 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:29:45 -0700 Subject: Application Information - how to read from settings Message-ID: <4BE8CF29.20604@fourthworld.com> Mark Stuart wrote: > Hi Richard, > I placed a button on the Main stack and put this script into it: > > on mouseUp > put the cRevStandaloneSettings of this stack into tSettings > answer tSettings > end mouseUp > > but it displayed nothing in the dialog. > > What am I missing? That's a custom property set, not a single property. To get those values you can do this: put the customPropertySet["cRevStandaloneSettings"] \ of stack "MyStack" into tMyArray That gives you the array of data; you can see all the values with: combine tMyArray with return and tab put tMyArray -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From niconiko at gmail.com Mon May 10 23:37:40 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:37:40 +0900 Subject: export snapshot transparent? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Scott, that worked. Grouping before exporting served to retain both the transparency and graphic effect of the image. Thanks. (BTW: Why does grouping work in this case?) -- Nicolas Cueto From mfstuart at cox.net Mon May 10 23:45:54 2010 From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Application Information - how to read from settings In-Reply-To: <4BE8CF29.20604@fourthworld.com> References: <1273544484455-2173223.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BE8CF29.20604@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1273549554092-2173273.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Richard, Now that you gave me the custom property name, I searched the archive for it, and found very helpful information on how to find the Standalone properties in the main stack. I think this kind of stuff should be readily available to a rev developer and not "hidden" in a custom property, as it does not appear in a search in the Dictionary or in the User Guide. These are the basic things for a developer to want to access, for their application. Regards, Mark Stuart -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Application-Information-how-to-read-from-settings-tp2173223p2173273.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From davidocoker at gmail.com Mon May 10 23:51:05 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:51:05 -0500 Subject: Strange results in deletion of lines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>> David - unless you have huge numbers of lines it's probably easiest to just >>> use the filter command. >>> >>> filter tHold without "F*" >> >> The list is currently running almost 30,000 lines and this is just the >> first stage of the required processing, so I'll try the other >> approaches that you and Nicolas have offered. > > David - if you have that many lines and you need to run each line though a > number of processes then I'd definitely use the repeat for each form. > > Terry... Yup, the amount of processing on this one is a real monster. The app will convert a "fixed field" flat file into tab delimited format, constructing a proper header, filtering out (deleting) the items that are not required, adding decimals in the right position in a couple of fields, then finally logically inserting dash(es) "-" in specific places, based on the length and content of each string containing from 6 to 13 alphanumeric characters... all while maintaining a copy of the original item number. With all of the great assistance for making selective deletions, I actually have the majority of it coded and functional. Still need to do some fine tuning on the strategic/logical placement of dashes though. This little puppy will run as slow as molasses, so thankfully my client won't need to use it more than once per quarter. Then I get to build a second version that keeps the deleted "F" items in place while removing everything else. Oh what a joy. ;-) Thanks to all of you for the help... very much appreciated! David C. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 10 23:58:00 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:58:00 -0500 Subject: Application Information - how to read from settings In-Reply-To: <4BE8CF29.20604@fourthworld.com> References: <4BE8CF29.20604@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4BE8D5C8.8090804@hyperactivesw.com> Richard Gaskin wrote: > Mark Stuart wrote: >> Hi Richard, >> I placed a button on the Main stack and put this script into it: >> >> on mouseUp >> put the cRevStandaloneSettings of this stack into tSettings >> answer tSettings >> end mouseUp >> >> but it displayed nothing in the dialog. >> >> What am I missing? > > That's a custom property set, not a single property. To get those > values you can do this: > > put the customPropertySet["cRevStandaloneSettings"] \ > of stack "MyStack" into tMyArray > > That gives you the array of data; you can see all the values with: > > combine tMyArray with return and tab > put tMyArray That'd be best because you'd get a text listing. But Mark, if you just want to look at them, you can also do this: Turn on Revolution UI Elements in Lists in the View menu. Open the property inspector for the stack. In the custom properties pane, look for the cRevStandaloneSettings property set. Click on it and all the properties will display. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue May 11 00:05:06 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 23:05:06 -0500 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- ALICE port In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BE8D772.1010108@hyperactivesw.com> Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > >> I am so very very interested in pushing an ALICE port to the next level. > > What are you thinking of building here Tom? > > The last version I saw was when EA had partnered with Carnegie Mellon -- I > now see that Sun is the latest collaborator. I'm downloading the latest > version as I write this, but since they have IDEs for Win/Mac platforms, I'm > curious what would you expect to provide with a Rev port. Could you post the download link? I did download it from somewhere about a year ago, but it was a mess of incomprehensible files with installation instructions I couldn't follow, so I gave up. There's something for Mac? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Tue May 11 00:23:02 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 23:23:02 -0500 Subject: That nice XML exporter for stacks... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Waaaaaay back when I wrote mcRipper: http://inspiredlogic.com/mc/ripper.html It exported to XML, and re-constituted from the XML. I haven't looked at it in about ten years. It never broke anything, but always use it on a copy of your files. gc On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hello Folks, > > Anyone here remember a sample stack that would export a Rev stack with all > properties and scripts to an XML file? From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue May 11 01:07:10 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 13:07:10 +0800 Subject: single bit contact closure input [macintosh] In-Reply-To: References: <2f18c.14b0a7d.39146fb2@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:54 AM, stephen barncard < stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > That is the cheapest USB solution. At this point I'm thinking of trying > some > kind of IP based device if I'm going to use a piece of hardware to do this > - > the 15 foot USB limit is somewhat restrictive. "Revolution on a Network > based Chip" would be cool about now... > > You might want to take a look at this then: http://www.modtronix.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_36&products_id=149 Good luck From niconiko at gmail.com Tue May 11 01:09:12 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:09:12 +0900 Subject: group a single object? Message-ID: Is there a way to group a single object? Something like: select image "img1" group image "img1" put the ID of the last group into tID set the name of group tID to "gpImg1" Thank you. -- Nicolas Cueto From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue May 11 01:10:38 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:10:38 -0700 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- ALICE port In-Reply-To: <4BE8D772.1010108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote: >> The last version I saw was when EA had partnered with Carnegie Mellon -- I >> now see that Sun is the latest collaborator. I'm downloading the latest >> version as I write this, but since they have IDEs for Win/Mac platforms, I'm >> curious what would you expect to provide with a Rev port. > > Could you post the download link? I did download it from somewhere about > a year ago, but it was a mess of incomprehensible files with > installation instructions I couldn't follow, so I gave up. There's > something for Mac? Dude, they've had a Mac app for maybe a couple of years now? There's a beta (v3) here: I'm just opening it now and it looks they've revamped the UI a bit (it's still pretty amateur looking) but the basic arrangement is still similar to v2, from what I can recall. It'll take some time to figure out what has changed -- it's been a while. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue May 11 01:18:18 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:18:18 -0700 Subject: export snapshot transparent? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > Why does grouping work in this case? Because a group is essentially a transparent object. And since the export routine was updated (Rev 3?) to handle the alpha blending of objects, everything within the group that is blended against the card -- including glows -- is included in the export. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue May 11 01:23:57 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:23:57 -0700 Subject: group a single object? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > Is there a way to group a single object? > > Something like: > > select image "img1" > group image "img1" > put the ID of the last group into tID > set the name of group tID to "gpImg1" You shouldn't need to select anything, you can just write: group image "img1" When it comes to groups, however, you can't count on the word "last" to refer to the last group on the card (if the group you want is nested within another group, for example). I believe there's a bug report or 2 in the RQCC about this, but one workaround is to use the templateGroup and establish a name before grouping the object/s. Like: set the name of the templateGroup to "mySpecialGroup" group image "img1" reset the templateGroup You can then refer to the group by name, rather than "last". Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Tue May 11 01:31:45 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 00:31:45 -0500 Subject: Strange results in deletion of lines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just in case anyone doesn't realize how different the options are, I wrote this code. on mouseUp repeat 30000 put any char of "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" && random(100000) && "this is a test string for a fixed-record-length processing test" & cr after X end repeat delete char -1 of X put ticks() into t1 repeat 1 put X into X1 repeat with i = the number of lines of X1 down to 1 if char 1 of line i of X1 is "f" then delete line i of X1 end repeat end repeat put ticks() - t1 into t1 put ticks() into t2 repeat 100 put X into X2 filter X2 without "f*" end repeat put ticks() - t2 into t2 put ticks() into t3 repeat 100 times put empty into X3 repeat for each line L in X if char 1 of L is "f" then next repeat put L & cr after X3 end repeat delete char -1 of X3 end repeat put ticks() - t3 into t3 put X1 into fld 1 put X2 into fld 2 put X3 into fld 3 put t1 && t2 && t3 && (X1 is X2) && (X2 is X3) end mouseUp Note that the filter and repeat for each options each run 100 times, while the repeat with i = the number of lines of X1 down to 1 example runs just once. Here are the results: 3096 99 118 true true So the filter and repeat for each options run in about a sixtieth of a second (remember, they each ran 100 times), while the repeat with i =... option takes almost a minute. The crucial lesson here is avoid expressions like line i of..., but only slightly less important is the fact that repeat for each works about as fast as filter. If you have a complex operation to perform on each line, running multiple filter operations to get it done is likely not as efficient as a simple repeat for each loop. As a simple example, repeat for each is faster here: on mouseUp repeat 30000 put any char of "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" && random(100000) && \ "this is a test string for a fixed-record-length processing test" && \ any char of "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" & cr after X end repeat delete char -1 of X put ticks() into t2 repeat 100 put X into X2 filter X2 without "f*" filter X2 without "*g" end repeat put ticks() - t2 into t2 put ticks() into t3 repeat 100 times put empty into X3 repeat for each line L in X if char 1 of L is "f" or char -1 of L is "g" then next repeat put L & cr after X3 end repeat delete char -1 of X3 end repeat put ticks() - t3 into t3 put X1 into fld 1 put X2 into fld 2 put X3 into fld 3 put t2 && t3 && (X2 is X3) end mouseUp From calhorner at xtra.co.nz Tue May 11 01:33:02 2010 From: calhorner at xtra.co.nz (Cal Horner) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:33:02 +1200 (New Zealand Standard Time) Subject: The topic is the Object Library Message-ID: <4BE8EC0C.000007.02712@CALS_BIG_PC> In all the time I have been using runrev I have yet to see any postings on this forum about someone using the "Object Library". While working on a widget today I found myself wondering why it(the widget) wasn't in the object library and why the object library wasn't my go to tool So, I went looking for info on this tool. I dug back, all the way, into 2.2 and the only info I could find was the standard entry in the users manual. Does anyone use this tool or is it like the appendix? Am I the only one in the runrev universe that sees a use for the object library. Please let there be more users and if so, how do you find the library? From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Tue May 11 01:41:36 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 00:41:36 -0500 Subject: group a single object? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think this works reasonably well: put the layer of btn "target" into L set the relayerGroupedControls to true create group "container" put the long id of it into C set the layer of btn "target" to the layer of C set the layer of C to L The business with long id is to make sure there isn't another group called "container." When I first wrote this I just referred to it by name, and then of course I tried it twice in a row and it failed the second time. This version seems to work fine, ever-more-deeply nesting button "target" into groups called container. From chipp at altuit.com Tue May 11 02:03:55 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 01:03:55 -0500 Subject: group a single object? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can't you also: group img 1 set the name of it to "mySpecialGrp" .?? Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 11, 2010, at 12:23 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > >> Is there a way to group a single object? >> >> Something like: >> >> select image "img1" >> group image "img1" >> put the ID of the last group into tID >> set the name of group tID to "gpImg1" > > You shouldn't need to select anything, you can just write: > > group image "img1" > > When it comes to groups, however, you can't count on the word "last" to > refer to the last group on the card (if the group you want is nested within > another group, for example). I believe there's a bug report or 2 in the > RQCC about this, but one workaround is to use the templateGroup and > establish a name before grouping the object/s. Like: > > set the name of the templateGroup to "mySpecialGroup" > group image "img1" > reset the templateGroup > > You can then refer to the group by name, rather than "last". > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Tue May 11 02:14:17 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 01:14:17 -0500 Subject: group a single object? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seemingly only if the item is not already part of a group (no idea why). The code I posted will work at any level of nested groups. gc On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Can't you also: > > group ?img 1 > set the name of it to "mySpecialGrp" > > .?? From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue May 11 03:41:03 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:41:03 +1000 Subject: The topic is the Object Library In-Reply-To: <4BE8EC0C.000007.02712@CALS_BIG_PC> References: <4BE8EC0C.000007.02712@CALS_BIG_PC> Message-ID: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Cal Horner wrote: > In all the time I have been using runrev I have yet to see any postings on > this forum about someone using the "Object Library". > > While working on a widget today I found myself wondering why it(the widget) > wasn't in the object library and why the object library wasn't my go to tool > > > So, I went looking for info on this tool. I dug back, all the way, into 2.2 > and the only info I could find was the standard entry in the users manual. I only use it rarely, but you can get to it via the Development menu. Cheers, Sarah From chipp at altuit.com Tue May 11 04:11:45 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 03:11:45 -0500 Subject: Trying to understand the why? Message-ID: Mark, I'm trying to understand why you would deliberately malign Kevin's comments: This appeared in my Email via Facebook and is on your public blog: "The RunRev blog post also says: "In response to a question in a recent Apple shareholder?s meeting, Jobs said that a HyperCard-like product for the iPad would be a good idea 'though someone would have to build it'". Remembering a keynote presented by Steve Jobs, who associated HyperCard with "bullshit" (see http://www.ihug.org), I have to assume that Jobs' statement is to be taken with a lot of irony. Probably, one is supposed to add "...and it ain't Apple building that HyperCard-like tool!" Also, I have been unable to find any additional references to Jobs' statement on the shareholder's meeting." http://blog.schonewille.tk/a-few-comments-on-runrevs-announcement-regard Just to be clear, Steve Jobs exact quote was, "There's also rumors about us canceling Hypercard, which is total bullshit." And, this quote was 12 years ago, not a recent shareholder meeting. Your insinuations comparing Hypercard to bullshit are just wrong. I would think you'd want some proof before assuming Kevin is being disingenuous. Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue May 11 04:13:39 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 01:13:39 -0700 Subject: single bit contact closure input [macintosh] In-Reply-To: References: <2f18c.14b0a7d.39146fb2@aol.com> Message-ID: NOW you are talking. Very cool. HTTP - TCP - UDP - lots of choices On 10 May 2010 22:07, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:54 AM, stephen barncard < > stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > > > That is the cheapest USB solution. At this point I'm thinking of trying > > some > > kind of IP based device if I'm going to use a piece of hardware to do > this > > - > > the 15 foot USB limit is somewhat restrictive. "Revolution on a Network > > based Chip" would be cool about now... > > > > You might want to take a look at this then: > > http://www.modtronix.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_36&products_id=149 > > Good luck > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From capellan2000 at gmail.com Tue May 11 04:13:52 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 01:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- ALICE port In-Reply-To: References: <20100509222154.SVRW19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> <08B6D004-F561-4BD2-9EAB-C85443302206@altuit.com> <1273473431281-2165001.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BE8399A.80709@hyperactivesw.com> <68CBCC4E-7A92-4AE7-A7D1-846768CF07B8@mac.com> <4BE8D772.1010108@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1273565632382-2173493.post@n4.nabble.com> The Programming Teaching tool named Alice (java based) is different than Alice, the chatbot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIML http://aitools.org/Free_AIML_sets http://alicebot.blogspot.com/ Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2173493.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jmyepes at mac.com Tue May 11 04:20:30 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 01:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command In-Reply-To: <4BE86D62.6050800@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <1273508577855-2171784.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BE86D62.6050800@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: <1273566030279-2173505.post@n4.nabble.com> Thanks Wilhelm for share :) I modified the oval graphic to one polygon with irregular shape and work! :) I read the discussions and I understand more about the masking issues. I don't see difference between some scripts respecting the edges problem. Also I haven't clear the comparation of rgb pixels... Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2173505.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Tue May 11 04:26:24 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:26:24 +0100 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: Absolutely. I'd decided long ago against having anything to do with Apple and the iPhone, because I thought the direction Apple was going in was extremely retrograde. I wish my fears over Apple had been wrong. But I'd be delighted to see RunRev focus on it's core tools. I can only hope that good things for the Linux version of Rev would come out of a focus on Android. FWIW, I've been happily running a HTC phone (Windows Mobile) for over 2 years. I've been very happy with what it provides me with (many of things required jail-breaking on the iPhone, and even required hoop-jumping on an Android phone). But HTC seem to make damn fine phones. This thing is so superior to all the top-of-the range Nokia phones I've had in the past, and I bought it on the recommendation of a gadget freak who rated it very highly. I've no doubt my next phone will be a HTC Android. Let's be glad that Apple pulled the rug at this point, instead of in 12 months time. Bernard On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:06 AM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > With all sympathies to those who are understandably deeply disappointed, there is a silver lining to this news: > > > On May 10, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > >> ...we are ...focusing on developing significant and exciting enhancements to the Rev platform. We have many exciting projects in the pipeline including an overhaul to our Unicode support, enhanced text display... > > If this pipeline also includes improving core functionality of the desktop IDE, from things like the player object to widgets to fixing bugs, as well as more focus on feature parity for Linux, it could end up being great for all of us. > > For a small company, focusing on core competencies is a really good thing, and the one thing RunRev unquestionably does better than anyone else in the world is a best-in-class cross-platform desktop software dev environment. From jmyepes at mac.com Tue May 11 04:34:25 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 01:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command In-Reply-To: References: <1273508577855-2171784.post@n4.nabble.com> <1273512996766-2172668.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1273566865848-2173518.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Scott, Thanks for the stack. Very cool the effect. But I need to move the masked object, and your idea of use the BackgroundPattern inspired me and I found one solution that at first step solve my problem. I have a image and some graphics "polygons" over. The user select one of them and extract the image inside the edges of the graphic. And then the user can move if they want or duplicate. "the selectedobject" is the polygon on mouseUp lock screen put the rect of the selectedobject into tRect import snapshot from rect tRect of image "picture" put the id of last image into tSnapshotId set the backgroundpattern of the selectedobject to tSnapshotId delete img id tSnapshotId set the layer of the selectedobject to top set the ink of the selectedobject to srcCopy unlock screen end mouseUp What you think about? Can I have any problem of memory if I use more graphics with backgroundpattern? And other question to explore :) How can empty the area of the image that is inside the graphic? Modifying the imagedata? Or select a range of pixels and asign a new color? Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Object-is-not-an-image-when-Crop-command-tp2171784p2173518.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue May 11 04:38:09 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:38:09 +0200 Subject: The topic is the Object Library In-Reply-To: <4BE8EC0C.000007.02712@CALS_BIG_PC> References: <4BE8EC0C.000007.02712@CALS_BIG_PC> Message-ID: <7C86D874-75C0-46F6-BB52-2C73F1419704@numericable.com> Cal, I am also interest by "Object Library" but there is nothing (?) in documentation ! Ren? Le 11 mai 2010 ? 07:33, Cal Horner a ?crit : > In all the time I have been using runrev I have yet to see any postings on > this forum about someone using the "Object Library". > > While working on a widget today I found myself wondering why it(the widget) > wasn't in the object library and why the object library wasn't my go to tool > > > So, I went looking for info on this tool. I dug back, all the way, into 2.2 > and the only info I could find was the standard entry in the users manual. > > Does anyone use this tool or is it like the appendix? > > Am I the only one in the runrev universe that sees a use for the object > library. > > Please let there be more users and if so, how do you find the library? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andreas at medone.ch Tue May 11 05:01:58 2010 From: andreas at medone.ch (andreas at medone.ch) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:01:58 +0200 Subject: Apple: 100 good reasons for revMobile In-Reply-To: References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <80089D2D-8A99-4810-ACBE-30B5D4D3E132@medone.ch> I think we should tell Apple what we think. Perhaps someone knows where to write our ideas? Found the following Link: http://developer.apple.com/contact/ Maybe, there is a better one? If all Rev users stand together - how many statements would we get? My mother tongue is swiss-german - there are others here, writting much better than I do! So - hey! What do you think? Should we start a campaign? We could also collect adresses on a website? Perhaps on runrev.com ? Best regards Andreas St?mpfli From rene.micout at numericable.com Tue May 11 05:11:26 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:11:26 +0200 Subject: Apple: 100 good reasons for revMobile In-Reply-To: <80089D2D-8A99-4810-ACBE-30B5D4D3E132@medone.ch> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <80089D2D-8A99-4810-ACBE-30B5D4D3E132@medone.ch> Message-ID: <4ACEA76E-5035-454D-810A-EACD92C9F84C@numericable.com> We risk nothing to try ... In principle I agree, but with the reasons given by Apple (which I understand very well even if it does not suit me) I do not think it serve for something. Several years ago when Apple dropped (quietly) HyperCard, I wrote a long letter to Steve Jobs (a dozen pages with screenshots of the applications that I do [they had a very professional look] ) and since I'm waiting for an answer ... ;-) Bon souvenir de Paris Ren? Le 11 mai 2010 ? 11:01, andreas at medone.ch a ?crit : > I think we should tell Apple what we think. Perhaps someone knows where to write our ideas? > Found the following Link: > http://developer.apple.com/contact/ > > Maybe, there is a better one? > > If all Rev users stand together - how many statements would we get? > My mother tongue is swiss-german - there are others here, writting much better than I do! > > So - hey! What do you think? Should we start a campaign? > We could also collect adresses on a website? > Perhaps on runrev.com ? > > Best regards > > Andreas St?mpfli > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 11 05:48:14 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:48:14 +0300 Subject: RunRev on the OLPC Message-ID: <4BE927DE.7050600@gmail.com> http://joviko-olpc.blogspot.com/2007/12/hypercard-on-olpc.html funnily enough . . . this article does not mention RunRev; I wonder why? I agree wholeheartedly with this article; and I do think that were RunRev to get RevMedia (prelicensed) onto the OLPC that would be a very good thing; as would having a socking-great advert for Studio every time RevMedia started up. From fabricemuller at me.com Tue May 11 05:51:36 2010 From: fabricemuller at me.com (Fabrice Muller) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:51:36 +0200 Subject: Stop to think IPad and start to think WeTab for RevMobile References: Message-ID: <95C861DC-20F9-44D6-9CE9-943682A6A449@me.com> Following the announce of Apple we have now a great alternative with the announce of Kevin : http://wetab.mobi/en/product-details WeTab Meta-Store integrates multiple Stores, Support for native, Java, Linux, Adobe AIR? and Android Apps A new challenge is coming and we have a great opportunity to be part of it ! Cheers, Fabrice *********************************************************** F.LA.M.A Fabrice Muller Phone : +41 (21) 652.18.10 - Fax : +41 (21) 652.18.24 Fabrice.Muller at pobox.com - FabriceMuller at me.com *********************************************************** From psahores at free.fr Tue May 11 06:06:23 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:06:23 +0200 Subject: Where is going Apple ? Message-ID: <608B292C-E775-4256-8622-7AA1D2D0555E@free.fr> Dear Friends, Apple, like U.S., Europe and Japan, is betting its future as a supplier of premium products for customers rich representing demand immediate solvent but tends more and more reduced. China, like Google (and hopefully RunRev), is betting its future as a provider of essential goods immediately accessible to the largest number in a logical expansion of effective demand than by direct conversion of productivity gains in performance for maximum accessibility products offered (capitalism low cost). Guess who will win the economic war to end the crisis ? -- Apple, ? l'image des USA, de l'Europe et du Japon, parie son avenir comme fournisseur de produits haut de gamme destin?s ? une client?le riche repr?sentant une demande imm?diatement solvable mais tendanciellement de plus en plus r?duite. La Chine, ? l'image de Google (et, esp?rons-le RunRev), parie son avenir comme fournisseur de produits de premi?re n?cessit? imm?diatement accessibles au plus grand nombre dans une logique d'?largissement maximum de la demande solvable par conversion directe des gains de productivit? en performance d'accessibilit? maximale des produits propos?s (capitalisme low-cost). Devinons qui va gagner la guerre ?conomique de sortie de crise ? -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue May 11 06:18:33 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 18:18:33 +0800 Subject: single bit contact closure input [macintosh] In-Reply-To: References: <2f18c.14b0a7d.39146fb2@aol.com> Message-ID: And lots of input and output choices too :-) On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:13 PM, stephen barncard < stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > NOW you are talking. Very cool. HTTP - TCP - UDP - lots of choices > > On 10 May 2010 22:07, Kay C Lan wrote: > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:54 AM, stephen barncard < > > stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > > > > > That is the cheapest USB solution. At this point I'm thinking of trying > > > some > > > kind of IP based device if I'm going to use a piece of hardware to do > > this > > > - > > > the 15 foot USB limit is somewhat restrictive. "Revolution on a > Network > > > based Chip" would be cool about now... > > > > > > You might want to take a look at this then: > > > > http://www.modtronix.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_36&products_id=149 > > > > Good luck > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > Back home in SF > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From davidocoker at gmail.com Tue May 11 07:26:19 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 06:26:19 -0500 Subject: Strange results in deletion of lines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote: >Just in case anyone doesn't realize how different the options are, I >wrote this code. Wow! We can all be assured that I would have never considered such a thing and will have to play around with your code to understand what you've done. >So the filter and repeat for each options run in about a sixtieth of a >second (remember, they each ran 100 times), while the repeat with i >=... option takes almost a minute. > >The crucial lesson here is avoid expressions like line i of..., but >only slightly less important is the fact that repeat for each works >about as fast as filter. If you have a complex operation to perform on >each line, running multiple filter operations to get it done is likely >not as efficient as a simple repeat for each loop. Good info to know. Even better once I learn enough to figure out how and when to apply different coding strategies. A very large portion of what I do daily involves text processing of this general nature and since most of it is of the "one off" nature, all too often I'm just looking for any kind of solution. When faced with some very complex processing as I am with this project, my first objective is just to "make it work" and then if I have the time, try to figure out how to do it more efficiently if possible. It's obvious that I need to spend some more time on the efficiency part of the equation. ;-) Thanks for the code samples and advice, Geoff Best regards, David C. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Tue May 11 07:45:58 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:45:58 -0400 Subject: Check out Jerry's new videos -- ALICE port In-Reply-To: <1273565632382-2173493.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <20100509222154.SVRW19083.schemailmta05.cingularme.com@Inbox> <08B6D004-F561-4BD2-9EAB-C85443302206@altuit.com> <1273473431281-2165001.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BE8399A.80709@hyperactivesw.com> <68CBCC4E-7A92-4AE7-A7D1-846768CF07B8@mac.com> <4BE8D772.1010108@hyperactivesw.com> <1273565632382-2173493.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: http://alicebot.org/igod/ On May 11, 2010, at 4:13 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > The Programming Teaching tool named Alice (java based) > is different than Alice, the chatbot: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIML > http://aitools.org/Free_AIML_sets > http://alicebot.blogspot.com/ > > Alejandro > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Check-out-Jerry-s-new-videos-tp2135722p2173493.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue May 11 08:22:24 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:22:24 -0400 Subject: [Data Grid] Template column behavior problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6720635E-F30A-47A6-B0FC-E3067D7D7BAB@mangomultimedia.com> On May 10, 2010, at 5:44 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: > If I assume that it exists one card template group for each Data Grid > I created in a stack: > - Is my problem can come from this duplication? > - Can I fix it by setting manually the dgColumnTemplate? When you copy the Data Grid the new Data Grid is still pointing to the row template of the original data grid. That row template has a custom column in it. If you want to point the new data grid to a different row template then set the dgProp["row template"] property. Data Grid Properties: -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From coiin at verizon.net Tue May 11 10:10:42 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:10:42 -0400 Subject: Trying to understand the why? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09D3F63E-A37D-4A29-8E5B-104AFE7BAD0F@verizon.net> On May 11, 2010, at 4:11 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Just to be clear, Steve Jobs exact quote was, "There's also rumors about us canceling Hypercard, which is total bullshit." And, this quote was 12 years ago, not a recent shareholder meeting. You misread something. Mark was questioning the authenticity of the recent quote of SJ supposedly saying that a HyperCard like product for iPad would be a good idea, but that someone would have to make it. That's the quote I can't find either. The BS quote is different, and what you said is correct, Mark's version was wrong, or misleading. From mkoob at rogers.com Tue May 11 10:30:04 2010 From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Trying to understand the why? References: <09D3F63E-A37D-4A29-8E5B-104AFE7BAD0F@verizon.net> Message-ID: The Hypercard comment was reported in the following article http://www.macworld.com/article/146739/2010/02/2010appleshareholdermtg.html Martin From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue May 11 11:00:15 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:00:15 -0700 Subject: RunRev on the OLPC In-Reply-To: <4BE927DE.7050600@gmail.com> References: <4BE927DE.7050600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <166-1945319390.20100511080015@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 2:48:14 AM, you wrote: > http://joviko-olpc.blogspot.com/2007/12/hypercard-on-olpc.html > funnily enough . . . this article does not mention RunRev; I wonder why? > I agree wholeheartedly with this article; and I do think that were RunRev to > get RevMedia (prelicensed) onto the OLPC that would be a very good thing; Thanks for the link. I'll have to give that a try. I *do* have runrev running on my OLPC box. It was, of course, the first thing I tried to install. But getting there was quite a journey, and involves setting up the device to run Ubuntu as its native OS, dealing with a 7-inch screen, and most importantly, dealing with the fact that rev-on-linux and stability just don't belong in the same sentence. It's not the sort of thing you want to show off in public. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From dfepstein at comcast.net Tue May 11 11:25:23 2010 From: dfepstein at comcast.net (dfepstein at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: group a single object? In-Reply-To: <20100511082028.5695E28876B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <1627443696.26130911273591523927.JavaMail.root@sz0051a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> When it comes to groups, however, you can't count on the word "last" to refer to the last group on the card (if the group you want is nested within another group, for example). ?I believe there's a bug report or 2 in the RQCC about this, but one workaround is to use the templateGroup and establish a name before grouping the object/s. Another workaround is to get the owner of the object immediately after you've grouped it: group control id aa get the long id of the owner of control id aa David Epstein From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue May 11 11:25:55 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:25:55 -0600 Subject: Fwd: OT: Resources for Data Base Design References: Message-ID: <47795795-7AC0-41AA-83E9-15B2D7770F95@byu.edu> Sivakatirswami, I sent your message on to a colleague who is an expert in text markup schemes and this was his reply. It may imply a slightly different direction from what you have started with. HTH Devin Begin forwarded message: > From: Jarom McDonald > Date: May 11, 2010 8:42:40 AM MDT > To: Devin Asay > Subject: Re: OT: Resources for Data Base Design > > Hi Devin, > > At least in the world of academia, what he's looking for just isn't done. Whether for philosophical reasons, common practice reasons, or whatever, there is very little work done in decomposing texts for relational models. Rather, texts are kept whole and marked up in XML, which to most people preserves the complexity of the text and facilitates publishing and dissemination. > > This isn't to say that relational models can't be useful; I have seen products where texts are marked up in the TEI schema (the standard for XML encoding of text) and then elements are chopped up and put into a DB; however, you can achieve similar levels of performance with an XML database. The most used is called eXist; there are plenty of scripts you can find by googling TEI + eXist that can help in storing XML docs in the XML database, querying with xQuery and XPath to find documents, creating indices, etc. > > Of course, this probably doesn't help much, as Revolution has native support for RDBMs but not for XML databases. But for full texts, the relational route just isn't used in academia on any sort of wide scale. > > Jarom > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Devin Asay wrote: > Jarom, > > This came over the Revolution mail list. Any recommendations I could point him to? The last long paragraph details what he's looking for. > > Devin > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Sivakatirswami >> Date: May 8, 2010 7:53:08 PM MDT >> To: How to use Revolution >> Subject: OT: Resources for Data Base Design >> Reply-To: How to use Revolution >> >> I'm working on a content management database based on the Dublin Core >> and the Media Annotation Initiative. Much of the whole mode of discourse >> and terms translate well into a database scheme but when the discourse >> starts to talking about fine tuning and switches to an RDF framework it >> is difficult to grok in terms of translating some of the principles into >> actual table-field structures in a PostGreSQL dbase. the Dubline Core >> seems in some respects a very abstract realm... but things are different >> where rubber hits the road. >> >> I've looked pretty closely at the databases generated by XOOPS, Drupal >> and Word Press and frankly, they are freaky scary. I see a hodge podge >> of strategies, each differing -- depends on whose design the module >> whose tables you are looking at. That's why I want to stay with Dublin >> Core where the "human readability" principle is kept in the forefront of >> design. I'm pretty close to designing a schema that I think can contain >> pretty much all the metadata for any video, text or audio, translations >> pamphlets etc. FAQ that we have. I supposed we are re-inventing the >> wheel a bit, but in the end we will get something that is a good match >> for our needs and we will not be boxed into framework of a monster CMS >> that we cannot customize without spending huge $ on PHP-module >> consultants... (been there, done that, nightmare) >> >> Metadata for a video or a sound file or an image is simple enough.... >> >> The part of the data base I'm unable to finish of is that which deals >> with text fragments. I think I posted this before on this list but got >> no responses. If anyone knows what would be the best list or group I >> should go to, to get help, let me know. What I'm interested in should be >> pretty standard stuff in the world of academia: e.g. if you want a data >> base to contain the most atomic elements of a text resource (one record >> for every single verse of every single poem from a book where the poems >> are divided into chapters and the chapters into sections and the >> sections into parts of a book, and the book is one volume in a >> series...) what is the best schema which allows you to query the data >> base to re-aggregate all those elements into it's original source >> document, run time (or on a cron or periodically post modifications) >> AND OR what other approaches might better serve the end game (be able >> to query for a single verse with complete citation; be able to query for >> an entire poem with citation; be able to query for a complete chapter of >> poems with a citation ... etc.) I have some solutions in mind, and I >> may just proceed with those, and refactor later if something better >> comes along...but I would love to hear from some experts and seem some >> existing models. >> >> Any ideas of where to go looking for mangos? >> > Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Tue May 11 11:35:29 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:35:29 -0700 Subject: Comment Opportunity on Macintouch about the Apple Situation and Rev Message-ID: <51FF655D28FE4804817F0EFFC0AD73D1@GATEWAY> http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/ipad/index.html#d11may2010 My blog about the Apple situation got added to Macintouch's Reader comments. If you feel strongly about this, I recommend participating and also sharing any coverage you get for your own comments elsewhere. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com From luis at anachreon.co.uk Tue May 11 11:54:07 2010 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:54:07 +0100 Subject: iChoose Message-ID: <4BE97D9F.3040006@anachreon.co.uk> Hiya, Maybe Apple should think of opening another store, iChoose, just for those apps that are not created with their chosen languages, caveats and all. Cheers, Luis. From luis at anachreon.co.uk Tue May 11 12:01:06 2010 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:01:06 +0100 Subject: Trying to understand the why? In-Reply-To: <09D3F63E-A37D-4A29-8E5B-104AFE7BAD0F@verizon.net> References: <09D3F63E-A37D-4A29-8E5B-104AFE7BAD0F@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4BE97F42.1030103@anachreon.co.uk> Hiya, Maybe they're thinking of re-writing HyperCard in JS... (TileStack anyone? If it does JS). Cheers, Luis. On 11/05/2010 15:10, Colin Holgate wrote: > > On May 11, 2010, at 4:11 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > >> Just to be clear, Steve Jobs exact quote was, "There's also rumors about us canceling Hypercard, which is total bullshit." And, this quote was 12 years ago, not a recent shareholder meeting. > > > You misread something. Mark was questioning the authenticity of the recent quote of SJ supposedly saying that a HyperCard like product for iPad would be a good idea, but that someone would have to make it. That's the quote I can't find either. The BS quote is different, and what you said is correct, Mark's version was wrong, or misleading. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue May 11 12:00:37 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:00:37 -0700 Subject: iChoose In-Reply-To: <4BE97D9F.3040006@anachreon.co.uk> References: <4BE97D9F.3040006@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: <154-1941697125.20100511090037@ahsoftware.net> Luis- Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 8:54:07 AM, you wrote: > Maybe Apple should think of opening another store, iChoose, just for > those apps that are not created with their chosen languages, caveats and > all. ...or they could open another store, iPass, for everyone who is too disgusted by their policies to buy the hardware... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jim at d-film.com Tue May 11 12:09:14 2010 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:09:14 -0400 Subject: iChoose In-Reply-To: <154-1941697125.20100511090037@ahsoftware.net> References: <4BE97D9F.3040006@anachreon.co.uk> <154-1941697125.20100511090037@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Or one called iDunno for customers to take a survey to see if they can tell which apps were originally coded in Obj-C and which used a "translator" like Unity-3D, RevMobile or Flash Catalyst. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Luis- > > Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 8:54:07 AM, you wrote: > >> Maybe Apple should think of opening another store, iChoose, just for >> those apps that are not created with their chosen languages, caveats and >> all. > > ...or they could open another store, iPass, for everyone who is too > disgusted by their policies to buy the hardware... > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue May 11 12:33:43 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:33:43 -0700 Subject: iChoose In-Reply-To: References: <4BE97D9F.3040006@anachreon.co.uk> <154-1941697125.20100511090037@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <6-1939711125.20100511093343@ahsoftware.net> Jim- Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 9:09:14 AM, you wrote: > Or one called iDunno ...he's on third... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1OkIyps6NU -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue May 11 12:35:49 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:35:49 -0700 Subject: Application Information - how to read from settings Message-ID: <4BE98765.8050609@fourthworld.com> Mark Stuart wrote: > Hi Richard, > Now that you gave me the custom property name, I searched the archive for > it, and found very helpful information on how to find the Standalone > properties in the main stack. > > I think this kind of stuff should be readily available to a rev developer > and not "hidden" in a custom property, as it does not appear in a search in > the Dictionary or in the User Guide. These are the basic things for a > developer to want to access, for their application. They're just custom properties. As Jacque noted, they're readily accessible in the IDE through the Inspector. I agree that particular set of props is very useful, because they contain the essentials that define much of your app: its name, version, document types, etc. With that info stored in one tidy place, all sorts of tools can use it to make generalized components, from version management to installers and frameworks and a whole lot more. I believe Trevor's framework uses it, as do mine and Ken's, and it's been proposed in the Rev Interoperability Group that we use them whenever practical going forward: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From bobs at twft.com Tue May 11 12:57:54 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:57:54 -0700 Subject: Apple: 100 good reasons for revMobile In-Reply-To: <80089D2D-8A99-4810-ACBE-30B5D4D3E132@medone.ch> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <80089D2D-8A99-4810-ACBE-30B5D4D3E132@medone.ch> Message-ID: I submitted my 2 cents. Just a note here, it will not serve us well to use this as an opportunity to flame Apple or Steve Jobs. Please keep your posts civilized and hopeful. Bob On May 11, 2010, at 2:01 AM, andreas at medone.ch wrote: > I think we should tell Apple what we think. Perhaps someone knows where to write our ideas? > Found the following Link: > http://developer.apple.com/contact/ > From bobs at twft.com Tue May 11 13:04:47 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:04:47 -0700 Subject: Where is going Apple ? In-Reply-To: <608B292C-E775-4256-8622-7AA1D2D0555E@free.fr> References: <608B292C-E775-4256-8622-7AA1D2D0555E@free.fr> Message-ID: <68C3D544-DFCF-4093-809D-CA35D6A5B3F6@twft.com> You may have a good point, but I'd like to point out that you are not stating facts, but rather a point of view. Bob On May 11, 2010, at 3:06 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Apple, like U.S., Europe and Japan, is betting its future as a supplier of premium products for customers rich representing demand immediate solvent but tends more and more reduced. > > China, like Google (and hopefully RunRev), is betting its future as a provider of essential goods immediately accessible to the largest number in a logical expansion of effective demand than by direct conversion of productivity gains in performance for maximum accessibility products offered (capitalism low cost). > > Guess who will win the economic war to end the crisis ? From kevin at runrev.com Tue May 11 13:11:34 2010 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 18:11:34 +0100 Subject: Apple: 100 good reasons for revMobile In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/05/2010 17:57, "Bob Sneidar" wrote: > I submitted my 2 cents. Just a note here, it will not serve us well to use > this as an opportunity to flame Apple or Steve Jobs. Please keep your posts > civilized and hopeful. I certainly wouldn't want to see people flame Apple or Steve Jobs. If you have some constructive feedback for him I'm sure there would be no harm sending it. Lets keep it professional. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ RunRev - Software construction for everyone From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue May 11 13:14:38 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:14:38 -0700 Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command In-Reply-To: <1273566865848-2173518.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Recently, JosepM wrote: > I have a image and some graphics "polygons" over. > The user select one of them and extract the image inside the edges of the > graphic. > And then the user can move if they want or duplicate. > > "the selectedobject" is the polygon > > on mouseUp > lock screen > put the rect of the selectedobject into tRect > import snapshot from rect tRect of image "picture" > put the id of last image into tSnapshotId > set the backgroundpattern of the selectedobject to tSnapshotId > delete img id tSnapshotId > > set the layer of the selectedobject to top > set the ink of the selectedobject to srcCopy > unlock screen > end mouseUp > > > What you think about? Can I have any problem of memory if I use more > graphics with backgroundpattern? I don't think so. If the graphics are large, and the user has to move them around the card, there might be some slowness when dragging them around. > And other question to explore :) > How can empty the area of the image that is inside the graphic? Modifying > the imagedata? > Or select a range of pixels and asign a new color? You can modify pixels of an image, but maybe it would be less complicated to overlay a colored overlay object where you want it and create a new snapshot to apply as the backgroundPattern. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From bobs at twft.com Tue May 11 13:40:47 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:40:47 -0700 Subject: Comment Opportunity on Macintouch about the Apple Situation and Rev In-Reply-To: <51FF655D28FE4804817F0EFFC0AD73D1@GATEWAY> References: <51FF655D28FE4804817F0EFFC0AD73D1@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <7ED3EE96-58F3-485D-93F2-1F5C4C576DDF@twft.com> I made my post. I hope it helps. Bob On May 11, 2010, at 8:35 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: > http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/ipad/index.html#d11may2010 > > My blog about the Apple situation got added to Macintouch's Reader comments. > If you feel strongly about this, I recommend participating and also sharing > any coverage you get for your own comments elsewhere. > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > Mirye Software Publishing > http://www.mirye.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From martyknapp at comcast.net Tue May 11 14:06:13 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:06:13 -0700 Subject: Weird stack name In-Reply-To: References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <80089D2D-8A99-4810-ACBE-30B5D4D3E132@medone.ch> Message-ID: <4BE99C95.3010109@comcast.net> I posted this once before a while back . . . but didn't get any response, so thought I'd try again :) I have a standalone from which I can create a stack (from a template stack) and it is stored in a specific folder so the program can find it. Every once in a while in this folder there is a stack with some variation of this name: "/Resources/PrinterInfo.xml" I can open it up and it's a stack made from my template, but where the h*ll did this weird name come from? The stack that I intended to save is there too, with the correct name. I'm working on an Intel Mac with Leopard and Rev Studio 4. This does not happen often or predictably, but I'd like to track this down before I go public with my program. Thanks, Marty Knapp From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Tue May 11 14:20:05 2010 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:20:05 -0400 Subject: Apple: 100 good reasons for revMobile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kevin, What was Apple's tone in their rejection? On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > On 11/05/2010 17:57, "Bob Sneidar" wrote: > > > I submitted my 2 cents. Just a note here, it will not serve us well to > use > > this as an opportunity to flame Apple or Steve Jobs. Please keep your > posts > > civilized and hopeful. > > I certainly wouldn't want to see people flame Apple or Steve Jobs. If you > have some constructive feedback for him I'm sure there would be no harm > sending it. Lets keep it professional. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > RunRev - Software construction for everyone > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Do all things with love From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Tue May 11 14:44:48 2010 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:44:48 +0200 Subject: Apple: 100 good reasons for revMobile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01ACCB70-DFA4-4529-9511-7FDF5107C402@mines-paristech.fr> Le 11 mai 2010 ? 19:11, Kevin Miller a ?crit : > On 11/05/2010 17:57, "Bob Sneidar" wrote: > >> I submitted my 2 cents. Just a note here, it will not serve us well to use >> this as an opportunity to flame Apple or Steve Jobs. Please keep your posts >> civilized and hopeful. > > I certainly wouldn't want to see people flame Apple or Steve Jobs. If you > have some constructive feedback for him I'm sure there would be no harm > sending it. Lets keep it professional. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ > RunRev - Software construction for everyone > > Right. I have read many things bad about Apple on this list. I, personally, do not resent Apple for the decision they made. I very much understand Apple's point of view and the fact that they value very much their independence. This is the same attachment to independence, I feel, that have lead some people to react so strongly to Apple's decision. Well, conflicts of interest are not new. Please stop these post "Beware Apple; I am going to develop for android". As far as I am concerned, I have heard the message. I guess everybody who has read the list last week got the message. And my mother has strictly forbidden me to express my opinion on android and related Google ventures. Retrospectively, I'd rather have kept the 700? I spent on revMobile to buy what is soon to be my iPad. But, at the time, revMobile for the iPhone had me convinced, and I do not regret supporting runrev on this opportunity. Well, you can't win them all. I am happy to learn that runrev will pay some attention to field formatting and perhaps an a number of request that are pending at qacenter. Best regards, Fran?ois From alex at a2technology.com Tue May 11 14:53:27 2010 From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:53:27 -0700 Subject: Apple: 100 good reasons for revMobile In-Reply-To: <01ACCB70-DFA4-4529-9511-7FDF5107C402@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: Touche' -- Alex Adams hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc. 831-726-8013 alex at a2technology.com hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com universalConnector.wordpress.com > From: Fran?ois Chaplais > Reply-To: How to use Revolution > Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:44:48 +0200 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Apple: 100 good reasons for revMobile > > > Le 11 mai 2010 ? 19:11, Kevin Miller a ?crit : > >> On 11/05/2010 17:57, "Bob Sneidar" wrote: >> >>> I submitted my 2 cents. Just a note here, it will not serve us well to use >>> this as an opportunity to flame Apple or Steve Jobs. Please keep your posts >>> civilized and hopeful. >> >> I certainly wouldn't want to see people flame Apple or Steve Jobs. If you >> have some constructive feedback for him I'm sure there would be no harm >> sending it. Lets keep it professional. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Kevin >> >> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ >> RunRev - Software construction for everyone >> >> > Right. > > I have read many things bad about Apple on this list. I, personally, do not > resent Apple for the decision they made. I very much understand Apple's point > of view and the fact that they value very much their independence. This is the > same attachment to independence, I feel, that have lead some people to react > so strongly to Apple's decision. Well, conflicts of interest are not new. > > Please stop these post "Beware Apple; I am going to develop for android". As > far as I am concerned, I have heard the message. I guess everybody who has > read the list last week got the message. And my mother has strictly forbidden > me to express my opinion on android and related Google ventures. > > Retrospectively, I'd rather have kept the 700? I spent on revMobile to buy > what is soon to be my iPad. But, at the time, revMobile for the iPhone had me > convinced, and I do not regret supporting runrev on this opportunity. Well, > you can't win them all. > > I am happy to learn that runrev will pay some attention to field formatting > and perhaps an a number of request that are pending at qacenter. > > Best regards, > Fran?ois > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Tue May 11 15:03:08 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:03:08 -0700 Subject: Apple: 100 good reasons for revMobile In-Reply-To: <01ACCB70-DFA4-4529-9511-7FDF5107C402@mines-paristech.fr> References: <01ACCB70-DFA4-4529-9511-7FDF5107C402@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <3A7B2B0C-DE5E-42C8-B63A-273D267C4CD3@twft.com> I will only say as I have before, if someone doesn't like a particular thread, they don't have to read it. I understand your frustration, but telling someone to not to post so you don't have to see it is, well... silly. Bob > Right. > > I have read many things bad about Apple on this list. I, personally, do not resent Apple for the decision they made. I very much understand Apple's point of view and the fact that they value very much their independence. This is the same attachment to independence, I feel, that have lead some people to react so strongly to Apple's decision. Well, conflicts of interest are not new. > > Please stop these post "Beware Apple; I am going to develop for android". As far as I am concerned, I have heard the message. I guess everybody who has read the list last week got the message. And my mother has strictly forbidden me to express my opinion on android and related Google ventures. > > Retrospectively, I'd rather have kept the 700? I spent on revMobile to buy what is soon to be my iPad. But, at the time, revMobile for the iPhone had me convinced, and I do not regret supporting runrev on this opportunity. Well, you can't win them all. > > I am happy to learn that runrev will pay some attention to field formatting and perhaps an a number of request that are pending at qacenter. > > Best regards, > Fran?ois > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Tue May 11 15:07:49 2010 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:07:49 +0200 Subject: Apple: 100 good reasons for revMobile In-Reply-To: <3A7B2B0C-DE5E-42C8-B63A-273D267C4CD3@twft.com> References: <01ACCB70-DFA4-4529-9511-7FDF5107C402@mines-paristech.fr> <3A7B2B0C-DE5E-42C8-B63A-273D267C4CD3@twft.com> Message-ID: <0FCA098F-D864-45DA-A570-665E9CF74E2D@mines-paristech.fr> Le 11 mai 2010 ? 21:03, Bob Sneidar a ?crit : > I will only say as I have before, if someone doesn't like a particular thread, they don't have to read it. I understand your frustration, but telling someone to not to post so you don't have to see it is, well... silly. > > Bob > Of course. I did not even read your post. This very post will self destruct in five seconds. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 11 15:12:47 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 22:12:47 +0300 Subject: [OT] OLPC GUI Message-ID: <4BE9AC2F.1040608@gmail.com> Wow: I'm running an OLPC Sugar live CD on a P4 just now to get a feel for the interface. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Live_CD It is totally "other"; i.e. non-WIMP, which is rather refreshing; although the whole thing is rather confusing i you have been using WIMP GUIs for the last 20 years. It is, however, not targetted at people who have had access to computers, let alone WIMP GUIs, at all. I shall subject some of the kids I teach and see how they react to the thing; although they are "bombed out" on Windows XP, and are comfortable using GNOME in my school. ----------------------------------------------------- How would one integrate some form of RunRev into this interface? Certainly worth thinking about. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue May 11 15:21:19 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:21:19 -0700 Subject: Apple: 100 good reasons for revMobile In-Reply-To: <3A7B2B0C-DE5E-42C8-B63A-273D267C4CD3@twft.com> References: <01ACCB70-DFA4-4529-9511-7FDF5107C402@mines-paristech.fr> <3A7B2B0C-DE5E-42C8-B63A-273D267C4CD3@twft.com> Message-ID: "Just hit delete" is like saying "opt-out". The noise level does get high here, and that's the reason for the complaints. This is not a forum, it's a linear mail list - like a freeway on-ramp - one at a time, and it does requires a bit more netiquette, like trimming posts and keeping down the OT. On 11 May 2010 12:03, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I will only say as I have before, if someone doesn't like a particular > thread, they don't have to read it. I understand your frustration, but > telling someone to not to post so you don't have to see it is, well... > silly. > > Bob > > > > Right. > > > > I have read many things bad about Apple on this list. I, personally, do > not resent Apple for the decision they made. I very much understand Apple's > point of view and the fact that they value very much their independence. > This is the same attachment to independence, I feel, that have lead some > people to react so strongly to Apple's decision. Well, conflicts of interest > are not new. > > > > Please stop these post "Beware Apple; I am going to develop for android". > As far as I am concerned, I have heard the message. I guess everybody who > has read the list last week got the message. And my mother has strictly > forbidden me to express my opinion on android and related Google ventures. > > > > Retrospectively, I'd rather have kept the 700? I spent on revMobile to > buy what is soon to be my iPad. But, at the time, revMobile for the iPhone > had me convinced, and I do not regret supporting runrev on this opportunity. > Well, you can't win them all. > > > > I am happy to learn that runrev will pay some attention to field > formatting and perhaps an a number of request that are pending at qacenter. > > > > Best regards, > > Fran?ois > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Tue May 11 15:37:49 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:37:49 +0200 Subject: Apple: 100 good reasons for revMobile In-Reply-To: References: <01ACCB70-DFA4-4529-9511-7FDF5107C402@mines-paristech.fr> <3A7B2B0C-DE5E-42C8-B63A-273D267C4CD3@twft.com> Message-ID: <216247F8-108B-4298-A530-A32DB3436B61@m-r-d.de> I 100% agree. Matthias Am 11.05.2010 um 21:21 schrieb stephen barncard: > "Just hit delete" is like saying "opt-out". The noise level does get high > here, and that's the reason for the complaints. This is not a forum, it's a > linear mail list - like a freeway on-ramp - one at a time, and it does > requires a bit more netiquette, like trimming posts and keeping down the OT. > > On 11 May 2010 12:03, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> I will only say as I have before, if someone doesn't like a particular >> thread, they don't have to read it. I understand your frustration, but >> telling someone to not to post so you don't have to see it is, well... >> silly. >> >> Bob >> >> >>> Right. >>> >>> I have read many things bad about Apple on this list. I, personally, do >> not resent Apple for the decision they made. I very much understand Apple's >> point of view and the fact that they value very much their independence. >> This is the same attachment to independence, I feel, that have lead some >> people to react so strongly to Apple's decision. Well, conflicts of interest >> are not new. >>> >>> Please stop these post "Beware Apple; I am going to develop for android". >> As far as I am concerned, I have heard the message. I guess everybody who >> has read the list last week got the message. And my mother has strictly >> forbidden me to express my opinion on android and related Google ventures. >>> >>> Retrospectively, I'd rather have kept the 700? I spent on revMobile to >> buy what is soon to be my iPad. But, at the time, revMobile for the iPhone >> had me convinced, and I do not regret supporting runrev on this opportunity. >> Well, you can't win them all. >>> >>> I am happy to learn that runrev will pay some attention to field >> formatting and perhaps an a number of request that are pending at qacenter. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Fran?ois >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > Back home in SF > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From psahores at free.fr Tue May 11 15:39:10 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:39:10 +0200 Subject: Where is going Apple ? In-Reply-To: <68C3D544-DFCF-4093-809D-CA35D6A5B3F6@twft.com> References: <608B292C-E775-4256-8622-7AA1D2D0555E@free.fr> <68C3D544-DFCF-4093-809D-CA35D6A5B3F6@twft.com> Message-ID: You are right. Best Regards, P. Le 11 mai 2010 ? 19:04, Bob Sneidar a ?crit : > You may have a good point, but I'd like to point out that you are not stating facts, but rather a point of view. > > Bob > > > On May 11, 2010, at 3:06 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > >> Dear Friends, >> >> Apple, like U.S., Europe and Japan, is betting its future as a supplier of premium products for customers rich representing demand immediate solvent but tends more and more reduced. >> >> China, like Google (and hopefully RunRev), is betting its future as a provider of essential goods immediately accessible to the largest number in a logical expansion of effective demand than by direct conversion of productivity gains in performance for maximum accessibility products offered (capitalism low cost). >> >> Guess who will win the economic war to end the crisis ? > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Tue May 11 15:43:39 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:43:39 +0200 Subject: [Data Grid] Template column behavior problem In-Reply-To: <6720635E-F30A-47A6-B0FC-E3067D7D7BAB@mangomultimedia.com> References: <6720635E-F30A-47A6-B0FC-E3067D7D7BAB@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: 2010/5/11 Trevor DeVore : > On May 10, 2010, at 5:44 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: > >> If I assume that it exists one card template group for each Data Grid >> I created in a stack: >> - Is my problem can come from this duplication? >> - Can I fix it by setting manually the dgColumnTemplate? > > When you copy the Data Grid the new Data Grid is still pointing to the row > template of the original data grid. That row template has a custom column in > it. > > If you want to point the new data grid to a different row template then set > the dgProp["row template"] property. > > Data Grid Properties: > I have set the dgProp["row template"] of my substack Data Grid to empty and all performs now as I want. It is funny I've missed this, because this lesson and my both Data Grids are linked closely 8-) I hope I could demonstrate it soon ;) Thanks Trevor! 8-) Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 11 15:51:24 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 22:51:24 +0300 Subject: Apple: 100 good reasons for revMobile In-Reply-To: <216247F8-108B-4298-A530-A32DB3436B61@m-r-d.de> References: <01ACCB70-DFA4-4529-9511-7FDF5107C402@mines-paristech.fr> <3A7B2B0C-DE5E-42C8-B63A-273D267C4CD3@twft.com> <216247F8-108B-4298-A530-A32DB3436B61@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <4BE9B53C.5050508@gmail.com> On 11/05/2010 22:37, Matthias Rebbe wrote: > I 100% agree. > > Matthias > Am 11.05.2010 um 21:21 schrieb stephen barncard: > >> "Just hit delete" is like saying "opt-out". The noise level does get high >> here, and that's the reason for the complaints. This is not a forum, it's a >> linear mail list - like a freeway on-ramp - one at a time, and it does >> requires a bit more netiquette, like trimming posts and keeping down the OT. >> I don't think keeping down the OT is necessary, unless it is so tangential no-one can make any connexion with RunRev. However it would be good if everybody flagged their OT remarks with [OT] so that 'strict types' can filter it out and eat a "fat free diet" . . . :) From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 11 16:01:07 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 23:01:07 +0300 Subject: Where is going Apple ? In-Reply-To: References: <608B292C-E775-4256-8622-7AA1D2D0555E@free.fr> <68C3D544-DFCF-4093-809D-CA35D6A5B3F6@twft.com> Message-ID: <4BE9B783.5010408@gmail.com> On 11/05/2010 22:39, Pierre Sahores wrote: > You are right. > > Best Regards, > > P. > > Le 11 mai 2010 ? 19:04, Bob Sneidar a ?crit : > >> You may have a good point, but I'd like to point out that you are not stating facts, but rather a point of view. >> >> Bob >> >> As none of us can see into the workings of either Steve Jobs' mind, or the corporate mind of Apple, it seems that everything that is stated re the recent "cafuffle" is opinion beyond restating what has already been stated. Rubbishing Apple won't help one bit; it is what it is; one can either choose to live with the thing, or not. The fact that RunRev (et al) has felt that Jobs' ruling is a kick in the pants is an opinion; until Steve Jobs pops over and physically kicks the RunRev people it it a feeling; however unpleasant it may feel. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Many years ago I was working on a farm (mucking out beeves); and turned up every day at 5 am to get on with my work. One day the farmer told me he didn't want me to work for him any more. I asked him why; and he said that he didn't feel a need to tell me. So I went home, feeling dejected, unloved, and so on. The next day I walked about 30 miles round lots of other farms, and by sundown had got a new job; felt wanted and loved. 2 weeks later the farmer who dismissed me went bust. Poor chap; he is now a raving alcoholic who props up the local bar. So; until every farmer tells me he doesn't want my labour I will keep on smiling. From jmyepes at mac.com Tue May 11 16:10:50 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 13:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Object is not an image when Crop command In-Reply-To: References: <1273508577855-2171784.post@n4.nabble.com> <1273512996766-2172668.post@n4.nabble.com> <1273566865848-2173518.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1273608650679-2181900.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi, References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <80089D2D-8A99-4810-ACBE-30B5D4D3E132@medone.ch> <4BE99C95.3010109@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BE9CB4F.3000701@hyperactivesw.com> Marty Knapp wrote: > I posted this once before a while back . . . but didn't get any > response, so thought I'd try again :) > > I have a standalone from which I can create a stack (from a template > stack) and it is stored in a specific folder so the program can find it. > Every once in a while in this folder there is a stack with some > variation of this name: "/Resources/PrinterInfo.xml" > > I can open it up and it's a stack made from my template, but where the > h*ll did this weird name come from? The stack that I intended to save is > there too, with the correct name. I'm working on an Intel Mac with > Leopard and Rev Studio 4. This does not happen often or predictably, but > I'd like to track this down before I go public with my program. How odd. Try searching your scripts for "PrinterInfo.xml" and see if anything shows up. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From martyknapp at comcast.net Tue May 11 17:41:21 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:41:21 -0700 Subject: Weird stack name In-Reply-To: <4BE9CB4F.3000701@hyperactivesw.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <80089D2D-8A99-4810-ACBE-30B5D4D3E132@medone.ch> <4BE99C95.3010109@comcast.net> <4BE9CB4F.3000701@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BE9CF01.2030803@comcast.net> Nowhere in my scripting, and nowhere on my hard drive . . . (except these errant stacks) > Marty Knapp wrote: >> I posted this once before a while back . . . but didn't get any >> response, so thought I'd try again :) >> >> I have a standalone from which I can create a stack (from a template >> stack) and it is stored in a specific folder so the program can find >> it. Every once in a while in this folder there is a stack with some >> variation of this name: "/Resources/PrinterInfo.xml" >> >> I can open it up and it's a stack made from my template, but where >> the h*ll did this weird name come from? The stack that I intended to >> save is there too, with the correct name. I'm working on an Intel Mac >> with Leopard and Rev Studio 4. This does not happen often or >> predictably, but I'd like to track this down before I go public with >> my program. > > How odd. Try searching your scripts for "PrinterInfo.xml" and see if > anything shows up. > From mikekann at yahoo.com Tue May 11 17:53:50 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Weird stack name In-Reply-To: <4BE9CF01.2030803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <785134.73115.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Marty, I would take a look at all the readable strings in your standalone binary. Find the Macintosh version of this type of Windows program: http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/Programming/textscan/Freeware.htm The string must be in there somewhere. Mike --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Marty Knapp wrote: > From: Marty Knapp > Subject: Re: Weird stack name > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 4:41 PM > Nowhere in my scripting, and nowhere > on my hard drive . . . (except these errant stacks) > > Marty Knapp wrote: > >> I posted this once before a while back . . . but > didn't get any response, so thought I'd try again :) > >> > >> I have a standalone from which I can create a > stack (from a template stack) and it is stored in a specific > folder so the program can find it. Every once in a while in > this folder there is a stack with some variation of this > name: "/Resources/PrinterInfo.xml" > >> > >> I can open it up and it's a stack made from my > template, but where the h*ll did this weird name come from? > The stack that I intended to save is there too, with the > correct name. I'm working on an Intel Mac with Leopard and > Rev Studio 4. This does not happen often or predictably, but > I'd like to track this down before I go public with my > program. > > > > How odd. Try searching your scripts for > "PrinterInfo.xml" and see if anything shows up. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From martyknapp at comcast.net Tue May 11 18:04:47 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:04:47 -0700 Subject: Weird stack name In-Reply-To: <785134.73115.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <785134.73115.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BE9D47F.6050505@comcast.net> I wonder if it's in a printing library that the standalone builder includes? > Marty, > > I would take a look at all the readable strings in your standalone binary. > > Find the Macintosh version of this type of Windows program: > > http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/Programming/textscan/Freeware.htm > > The string must be in there somewhere. > > Mike > > > > --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Marty Knapp wrote: > > >> From: Marty Knapp >> Subject: Re: Weird stack name >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 4:41 PM >> Nowhere in my scripting, and nowhere >> on my hard drive . . . (except these errant stacks) >> >>> Marty Knapp wrote: >>> >>>> I posted this once before a while back . . . but >>>> >> didn't get any response, so thought I'd try again :) >> >>>> I have a standalone from which I can create a >>>> >> stack (from a template stack) and it is stored in a specific >> folder so the program can find it. Every once in a while in >> this folder there is a stack with some variation of this >> name: "/Resources/PrinterInfo.xml" >> >>>> I can open it up and it's a stack made from my >>>> >> template, but where the h*ll did this weird name come from? >> The stack that I intended to save is there too, with the >> correct name. I'm working on an Intel Mac with Leopard and >> Rev Studio 4. This does not happen often or predictably, but >> I'd like to track this down before I go public with my >> program. >> >>> How odd. Try searching your scripts for >>> >> "PrinterInfo.xml" and see if anything shows up. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage >> your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From randall at randallreetz.com Tue May 11 18:19:48 2010 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:19:48 -0700 Subject: Where is going Apple ? Message-ID: <20100511221951.OYHN24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Its amazing how typical it is to react to rejection this way... The girl everyone wants says "no" and all of a sudden she is called "ugly, fat and stupid". Yogi Berra (spelling?) quote: "Nobody eats there anymore, its too crowded". I don't agree with a lot of apple's decisions, but the real travesty is that no other companies seem to be able to offer any products even remotely as compelling. I don't see abstinence as a choice. People go on hunger strikes as a reaction to the lack of choice. How long ago did hypercard come out? Thirty five years ago? And nothing of merit since? What kind of user-empowering tech would it take to do for people now what hypercard did for people then? Randall -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wieder Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:00 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: iChoose Luis- Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 8:54:07 AM, you wrote: > Maybe Apple should think of opening another store, iChoose, just for > those apps that are not created with their chosen languages, caveats and > all. ...or they could open another store, iPass, for everyone who is too disgusted by their policies to buy the hardware... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -----Original Message----- From: Richmond Mathewson Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:01 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Where is going Apple ? On 11/05/2010 22:39, Pierre Sahores wrote: > You are right. > > Best Regards, > > P. > > Le 11 mai 2010 ? 19:04, Bob Sneidar a ?crit : > >> You may have a good point, but I'd like to point out that you are not stating facts, but rather a point of view. >> >> Bob >> >> As none of us can see into the workings of either Steve Jobs' mind, or the corporate mind of Apple, it seems that everything that is stated re the recent "cafuffle" is opinion beyond restating what has already been stated. Rubbishing Apple won't help one bit; it is what it is; one can either choose to live with the thing, or not. The fact that RunRev (et al) has felt that Jobs' ruling is a kick in the pants is an opinion; until Steve Jobs pops over and physically kicks the RunRev people it it a feeling; however unpleasant it may feel. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Many years ago I was working on a farm (mucking out beeves); and turned up every day at 5 am to get on with my work. One day the farmer told me he didn't want me to work for him any more. I asked him why; and he said that he didn't feel a need to tell me. So I went home, feeling dejected, unloved, and so on. The next day I walked about 30 miles round lots of other farms, and by sundown had got a new job; felt wanted and loved. 2 weeks later the farmer who dismissed me went bust. Poor chap; he is now a raving alcoholic who props up the local bar. So; until every farmer tells me he doesn't want my labour I will keep on smiling. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk Tue May 11 18:27:33 2010 From: dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk (Douglas) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 23:27:33 +0100 Subject: Strange results in deletion of lines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BE9D9D5.9090108@tiscali.co.uk> Hang on, you just happened to throw in that you ALSO want to do processing with the lines that you just asked to be deleted! It seems silly to go through the deletion when you are going to have to go through the whole search over again. Surely it would have been better to sort the data into separate variables or even arrays rather than deleting in the first place? This would keep the data separate for secondary processing and if referenced in array could also hold references to the original placing in the source file/variable if required. On 11/05/2010 04:51, David C. wrote: > Then I get to build a second version that keeps the deleted "F" items > in place while removing everything else. > From luis at anachreon.co.uk Tue May 11 18:34:22 2010 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 23:34:22 +0100 Subject: iChoose In-Reply-To: <6-1939711125.20100511093343@ahsoftware.net> References: <4BE97D9F.3040006@anachreon.co.uk> <154-1941697125.20100511090037@ahsoftware.net> <6-1939711125.20100511093343@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4BE9DB6E.2020203@anachreon.co.uk> Hee hee! Cheers, Luis. On 11/05/10 17:33, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jim- > > Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 9:09:14 AM, you wrote: > >> Or one called iDunno > > ...he's on third... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1OkIyps6NU > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue May 11 18:53:22 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:53:22 -0500 Subject: Weird stack name In-Reply-To: <785134.73115.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <785134.73115.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BE9DFE2.2050707@hyperactivesw.com> Michael Kann wrote: > Marty, > > I would take a look at all the readable strings in your standalone binary. > > Find the Macintosh version of this type of Windows program: > > http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/Programming/textscan/Freeware.htm > > The string must be in there somewhere. I was thinking the same. Marty, you can just open the stack in BBEdit or any text editor. If that string isn't there, do you have any printing handlers? Seems like the name is related to that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From alex at tweedly.net Tue May 11 19:05:09 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 00:05:09 +0100 Subject: Strange results in deletion of lines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BE9E2A5.7080207@tweedly.net> On 11/05/2010 04:51, David C. wrote: > Then I get to build a second version that keeps the deleted "F" items > in place while removing everything else. > Oh what a joy. ;-) > As Geoff demonstrated, the efficient way to do this is with "repeat for each line ..." and build up a new output variable. This is doubly true if you also need to do something with the deleted "F" lines .... repeat for each line L in tMyData if char 1 of L = "F" then process L put L & CR after tOutputFLines else process L differently put L & CR after tOutputNonFLines end if end repeat -- Alex. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue May 11 19:14:15 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:14:15 -0700 Subject: [OT] OLPC GUI In-Reply-To: <4BE9AC2F.1040608@gmail.com> References: <4BE9AC2F.1040608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <131-1915678828.20100511161415@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 12:12:47 PM, you wrote: > Wow: I'm running an OLPC Sugar live CD on a P4 just now > to get a feel for the interface. Before you go too far down that road, let me warn you that attempting to run runrev as a Sugar app will have each stack window take up the entire screen. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jmyepes at mac.com Tue May 11 19:34:49 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Replace rgb1 with rbg2 Message-ID: <1273620889083-2195410.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi List, How can I change one color rgb by other color rgb into a image? I found some scripts in the list that show some ideas to accomplish it. But nothing work for me. I binaryencode("C",red) to replace with other binaryencoded value, but no result I replaced using numtochar, but no result It's posible do the operation inside a rect of some object? Any idea? Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Replace-rgb1-with-rbg2-tp2195410p2195410.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Tue May 11 19:41:38 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:41:38 -0700 Subject: Strange results in deletion of lines In-Reply-To: <4BE9D9D5.9090108@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4BE9D9D5.9090108@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <46930EC9-E83A-448A-B0A9-EE8B2EEB11F1@yahoo.com> > > On May 11, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Douglas wrote: > Hang on, you just happened to throw in that you ALSO want to do > processing with the lines that you just asked to be deleted! > It seems silly to go through the deletion when you are going to have > to go through the whole search over again. > > Surely it would have been better to sort the data into separate > variables or even arrays rather than deleting in the first place? > This would keep the data separate for secondary processing and if > referenced in array could also hold references to the original > placing in the source file/variable if required. > > > On 11/05/2010 04:51, David C. wrote: >> Then I get to build a second version that keeps the deleted "F" items >> in place while removing everything else. I would use the filter command for speed and programming clarity. get tMyData filter IT with "F*" -- now IT contains all lines starting with "F" filter tMyData without "F*" -- now tMyData contains all other lines repeat for each line L in IT process L put L & CR after tOutputFLines end repeat The reason I would be careful of using arrays is that duplicate lines would be lost since the keys would be identical. Jim Ault Las Vegas From mikekann at yahoo.com Tue May 11 21:22:18 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 18:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Welcome to Delhi Rodeo In-Reply-To: <46930EC9-E83A-448A-B0A9-EE8B2EEB11F1@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <170508.16790.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> http://www.informationweek.com/news/development/mobility/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=224701549 The link in the article is wrong. Here's the company's website: http://yapper.sachmanya.com/ From mikekann at yahoo.com Tue May 11 21:39:11 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 18:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Replace rgb1 with rbg2 In-Reply-To: <1273620889083-2195410.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <142581.83216.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> This might help: http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/374/Image-Manipulation-Example --- On Tue, 5/11/10, JosepM wrote: > From: JosepM > Subject: Replace rgb1 with rbg2 > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 6:34 PM > > Hi List, > > How can I change one color rgb by other color rgb into a > image? > I found some scripts in the list that show some ideas to > accomplish it. But > nothing work for me. > > I binaryencode("C",red) to replace with other binaryencoded > value, but no > result > I replaced using numtochar, but no result > > It's posible do the operation inside a rect of some > object? > > Any idea? > > Salut, > Josep > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Replace-rgb1-with-rbg2-tp2195410p2195410.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bvlahos at mac.com Tue May 11 21:56:30 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 18:56:30 -0700 Subject: Mark a file as read-only Message-ID: <2EE7005E-D34D-48BF-86D2-6786478DE687@mac.com> I know how to set the rights on Mac and Linux to mark a file as read-only. How do I do that in Windows? Can I do it at all on a USB drive? I believe that files on USB drives ignore some settings for ownership, etc. Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. From chipp at altuit.com Tue May 11 22:39:18 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:39:18 -0500 Subject: Mark a file as read-only In-Reply-To: <2EE7005E-D34D-48BF-86D2-6786478DE687@mac.com> References: <2EE7005E-D34D-48BF-86D2-6786478DE687@mac.com> Message-ID: <9887F40C-E3F3-4E3C-BE84-97EF8CD7583F@altuit.com> http://www.csulb.edu/~murdock/attrib.html attrib +r a:lockthisfile.txt You can shell out to it Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 11, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > I know how to set the rights on Mac and Linux to mark a file as read-only. > > How do I do that in Windows? > > Can I do it at all on a USB drive? I believe that files on USB drives ignore some settings for ownership, etc. > > Bill Vlahos > _________________ > InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Tue May 11 23:41:15 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 23:41:15 -0400 Subject: modal subStacks in revlet (revWeb plugin) Message-ID: I can't seem to get a subStack which is stored in the mainStack to show using the revWeb plugin. Is there something special I need to do? ~Roger Eller From martyknapp at comcast.net Tue May 11 23:54:51 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:54:51 -0700 Subject: Weird stack name In-Reply-To: <4BE9DFE2.2050707@hyperactivesw.com> References: <785134.73115.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4BE9DFE2.2050707@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BEA268B.4050902@comcast.net> Well I opened the app in TextWrangler, but couldn't find anything . . . I have some printing handlers, but nothing that remotely contains the mystery name. > Michael Kann wrote: >> Marty, >> >> I would take a look at all the readable strings in your standalone >> binary. >> >> Find the Macintosh version of this type of Windows program: >> >> http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/Programming/textscan/Freeware.htm >> >> >> The string must be in there somewhere. > > I was thinking the same. Marty, you can just open the stack in BBEdit > or any text editor. If that string isn't there, do you have any > printing handlers? Seems like the name is related to that. > From bvlahos at mac.com Wed May 12 00:50:38 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:50:38 -0700 Subject: Mark a file as read-only In-Reply-To: <9887F40C-E3F3-4E3C-BE84-97EF8CD7583F@altuit.com> References: <2EE7005E-D34D-48BF-86D2-6786478DE687@mac.com> <9887F40C-E3F3-4E3C-BE84-97EF8CD7583F@altuit.com> Message-ID: Chipp, Do it like this? if the platform is "Win32" then shell("attrib +r a:lockthisfile.txt") Thank you, Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On May 11, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > http://www.csulb.edu/~murdock/attrib.html > > attrib +r a:lockthisfile.txt > > You can shell out to it > > Chipp Walters > CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc > > On May 11, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > >> I know how to set the rights on Mac and Linux to mark a file as read-only. >> >> How do I do that in Windows? >> >> Can I do it at all on a USB drive? I believe that files on USB drives ignore some settings for ownership, etc. >> >> Bill Vlahos >> _________________ >> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 12 01:18:44 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 00:18:44 -0500 Subject: modal subStacks in revlet (revWeb plugin) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BEA3A34.4030003@hyperactivesw.com> Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: > I can't seem to get a subStack which is stored in the mainStack to show > using the revWeb plugin. Is there something special I need to do? Secondary windows don't work in revlets yet. But you can go to the stack in the same window. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From chipp at chipp.com Wed May 12 01:37:04 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 00:37:04 -0500 Subject: Mark a file as read-only In-Reply-To: References: <2EE7005E-D34D-48BF-86D2-6786478DE687@mac.com> <9887F40C-E3F3-4E3C-BE84-97EF8CD7583F@altuit.com> Message-ID: Something like this: answer file "choose a file" if the result is "cancel" or it is "" then exit to top put it into tPath put shortFilePath(tPath) into tPath replace "/" with "\" in tPath put "attrib +R " & tPath into tDosCommand set the hideConsoleWindows to true put shell (tDosCommand) into tErr if tErr is not empty then answer tErr Haven't tested it, but it should work. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > Chipp, > > Do it like this? > if the platform is "Win32" then shell("attrib +r a:lockthisfile.txt") > > Thank you, > Bill Vlahos > _________________ > InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important > life information with you, accessible, and secure. > > On May 11, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > > > http://www.csulb.edu/~murdock/attrib.html > > > > attrib +r a:lockthisfile.txt > > > > You can shell out to it > > > > Chipp Walters > > CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc > > > > On May 11, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > > > >> I know how to set the rights on Mac and Linux to mark a file as > read-only. > >> > >> How do I do that in Windows? > >> > >> Can I do it at all on a USB drive? I believe that files on USB drives > ignore some settings for ownership, etc. > >> > >> Bill Vlahos > >> _________________ > >> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important > life information with you, accessible, and secure. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From chipp at chipp.com Wed May 12 01:37:46 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 00:37:46 -0500 Subject: Mark a file as read-only In-Reply-To: References: <2EE7005E-D34D-48BF-86D2-6786478DE687@mac.com> <9887F40C-E3F3-4E3C-BE84-97EF8CD7583F@altuit.com> Message-ID: maybe the R should be lowercase, but I don't think it matters. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Something like this: > > answer file "choose a file" > if the result is "cancel" or it is "" then exit to top > put it into tPath > put shortFilePath(tPath) into tPath > replace "/" with "\" in tPath > put "attrib +R " & tPath into tDosCommand > set the hideConsoleWindows to true > put shell (tDosCommand) into tErr > if tErr is not empty then answer tErr > > Haven't tested it, but it should work. > > > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > >> Chipp, >> >> Do it like this? >> if the platform is "Win32" then shell("attrib +r a:lockthisfile.txt") >> >> Thank you, >> Bill Vlahos >> _________________ >> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important >> life information with you, accessible, and secure. >> >> On May 11, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: >> >> > http://www.csulb.edu/~murdock/attrib.html >> > >> > attrib +r a:lockthisfile.txt >> > >> > You can shell out to it >> > >> > Chipp Walters >> > CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc >> > >> > On May 11, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: >> > >> >> I know how to set the rights on Mac and Linux to mark a file as >> read-only. >> >> >> >> How do I do that in Windows? >> >> >> >> Can I do it at all on a USB drive? I believe that files on USB drives >> ignore some settings for ownership, etc. >> >> >> >> Bill Vlahos >> >> _________________ >> >> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important >> life information with you, accessible, and secure. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> use-revolution mailing list >> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-revolution mailing list >> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Wed May 12 01:39:49 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:39:49 +1000 Subject: Weird stack name In-Reply-To: <4BEA268B.4050902@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 12/05/10 1:54 PM, "Marty Knapp" wrote: > Well I opened the app in TextWrangler, but couldn't find anything . . . > I have some printing handlers, but nothing that remotely contains the > mystery name. Did you try a spotlight search? Terry... >> Michael Kann wrote: >>> Marty, >>> >>> I would take a look at all the readable strings in your standalone >>> binary. >>> >>> Find the Macintosh version of this type of Windows program: >>> >>> http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/Programming/textscan/Freeware.htm >>> >>> >>> The string must be in there somewhere. >> >> I was thinking the same. Marty, you can just open the stack in BBEdit >> or any text editor. If that string isn't there, do you have any >> printing handlers? Seems like the name is related to that. >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 12 02:46:10 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:46:10 +0300 Subject: [OT] OLPC GUI In-Reply-To: <131-1915678828.20100511161415@ahsoftware.net> References: <4BE9AC2F.1040608@gmail.com> <131-1915678828.20100511161415@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4BEA4EB2.50101@gmail.com> On 12/05/2010 02:14, Mark Wieder wrote: > Richmond- > > Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 12:12:47 PM, you wrote: > >> Wow: I'm running an OLPC Sugar live CD on a P4 just now >> to get a feel for the interface. > Before you go too far down that road, let me warn you that attempting > to run runrev as a Sugar app will have each stack window take up the > entire screen. > You're light-years ahead of me; first of all I've got to p*ss around with the Terminal to get the thing onto the hard disk; whether I can be bothered to do that is the biggest question at the moment. Until I have had the smallest kids I work with (7-8 years old) play with the thing from a live CD I'm doing "Nuffin" further. 'Objously' the GUI of RunRev would have to be re-done to be successful and congruent with the Sugar interface. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 12 03:26:47 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 00:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT] OLPC GUI In-Reply-To: <4BEA4EB2.50101@gmail.com> References: <4BE9AC2F.1040608@gmail.com> <131-1915678828.20100511161415@ahsoftware.net> <4BEA4EB2.50101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1273649207478-2195684.post@n4.nabble.com> 'Objously' the GUI of RunRev would have to be re-done to be successful and congruent with the Sugar interface Well, it also needs to redone to be successful and congruent with the Gnome or any other Linux interface! -- virtual desktops -- resizing of IDE elements. Or resolution independence, if they prefer that. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-OLPC-GUI-tp2175734p2195684.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 03:38:16 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:38:16 +0200 Subject: Welcome to Delhi Rodeo In-Reply-To: <170508.16790.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <170508.16790.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Michael, In the article, I can read : "(Yapper) leaves very little room for flexibility when it comes to developing your own user interface" I hope "Rodeo" done better than that... Jerry ? Le 12 mai 2010 ? 03:22, Michael Kann a ?crit : > http://www.informationweek.com/news/development/mobility/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=224701549 > > The link in the article is wrong. Here's the company's website: > > http://yapper.sachmanya.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 12 04:06:52 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:06:52 +0300 Subject: [OT] OLPC GUI In-Reply-To: <1273649207478-2195684.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4BE9AC2F.1040608@gmail.com> <131-1915678828.20100511161415@ahsoftware.net> <4BEA4EB2.50101@gmail.com> <1273649207478-2195684.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BEA619C.6020503@gmail.com> On 12/05/2010 10:26, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > 'Objously' the GUI of RunRev would have to be re-done to be > successful and congruent with the Sugar interface > > > Well, it also needs to redone to be successful and congruent with the Gnome > or any other Linux interface! > > -- virtual desktops > > -- resizing of IDE elements. Or resolution independence, if they prefer > that. > > Peter > Yup: Go On; Rub It In! However; what incentive have RunRev got until somebody or something shows them that "there's gold in the Linux hills" ? From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Wed May 12 05:09:40 2010 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:09:40 +0100 Subject: Zombie Win icon In-Reply-To: <20100511082028.36704288767@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100511082028.36704288767@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hello folks, More Windows icon weirdness, I am afraid. I had a home made icon for a standalone very close to release. I used IcoFX as recommended on this list. I posted recently that my icon looked horrible and dithered on Windows, displaying a small icon even when a big one is required (all sizes are included in build, and Rev accepts the ico as valid when building). Sadly, I didn't get any suggestions on list, but someone else suggested that perhaps it was a problem with the source image I used to build the icon. So I commissioned a very different looking one from a professional illustrator, and looks great. (I am never going to mess around designing icons again) Now, I use Rev studio, so the procedure is: Build icon in Win (Vista) using IcoFX and my great new artwork Save Mac & Win icons to memory stick Build standalone on Mac (referencing icons) Copy Win standalone to stick Launch standalone in Vista The mac standalone with new icon looks lovely On Vista, when viewed on the memory stick the new icon only appears at small sizes, with a generic blue screen icon used at larger sizes. AND if I drag the app to the Win hard drive, the icon changes to the horrible old dithered one I no longer use. So, it seems Vista allows a dead icon to rise from the grave and take over a standalone, irrespective of the icon that has been used in the Rev build. Can this be true? If so: 1/ What is the silver bullet needed to kill off my horrible first icon? (I know, silver bullet is vampires...) 2/ Why does my IcoFX icon only appear at small sizes when all sizes are built into the icon? Thanks for any advice David Glasgow From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 12 05:42:15 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:42:15 +0300 Subject: Zombie Win icon In-Reply-To: References: <20100511082028.36704288767@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4BEA77F7.1000203@gmail.com> I'm sorry, David, I don't know the answers to your questions; > 1/ What is the silver bullet needed to kill off my horrible first icon? (I know, silver bullet is vampires...) > > 2/ Why does my IcoFX icon only appear at small sizes when all sizes are built into the icon? > But, having experienced the same sort of nonsense I invested in Axialis IconWorkshop: http://www.axialis.com/iconworkshop/ (which works extremely well under WINE on Linux) and left all those problems behind me. It is, however, $50 . . . but it is a real case of 'you get what you pay for'. From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 06:09:47 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:09:47 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <660B1103-C734-4B02-A55A-F28EFDAA7F98@numericable.com> I read ALL the posts about RevMobile iPad published before and after the Kevin's announcement (difficult because I understand directly approximately 50% of what I read). As a non-professional developper not interested by AppStore, at this time 6 (+2?) solutions are available to me : 1. Expect a change in strategy from Apple > I don't believe it, especially since I agree with, roughly, the arguments of Steve Jobs (I am not a fanatic cross-plateform). 2. Begin to explore Objective-C with the help of my daughter who decided to join it (she's an ActionScripter...) > I find it hard to believe considering my age and my abilities 3. Expect Hypercard for iPad suitable to Mr. Jobs... > good wills ? 4. Expect a multitouch Wacom Wifi tablet (like Cintiq but multitouch and Wifi) > in this case it would multitouch functions in RunRev 5. Use RevMobile for iPad in his unfinished version > Full features ? What price ? Compiler ? and Kevin said : "We can no longer create the native interface objects layer, but rather invite our community to develop a set of emulated object". This last point does not bother me too much, it is a form of very interesting challenge and it is a bit what I am doing now with RunRev (the Macintosh interface unsatisfactory) ... 6. Watch the side of Rodeo > it feel interesting but it feel complicated (perhaps I am wrong...) If some of you are interested in the point "5", I would be glad to talk with them... -- After that line, that's humor! ;-) I thought also two other solutions : 7. Start a hunger strike > impossible, I'm french and in France the food is sacred! 8. Immolate by the fire surrounded by all my Macintoshes (128K, SE30, IIfx, MacPorts, PowerBook 170, PB5040, PB G3 Series, PB Titanium PB G4 12 "iMac G7 27", sorry I have no iPhone and not yet iPad [28th May]) under the Eiffel Tower > It's the Steve Jobs's favorite monument ! Bon souvenir de Paris Ren? From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Wed May 12 07:17:58 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 07:17:58 -0400 Subject: modal subStacks in revlet (revWeb plugin) In-Reply-To: <4BEA3A34.4030003@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On 05/12/2010 at 01:19 AM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: >Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: >> I can't seem to get a subStack which is stored in the mainStack to show >> using the revWeb plugin. Is there something special I need to do? > > Secondary windows don't work in revlets yet. But you can go to the stack > in the same window. I swear I remember this working in the very first version (maybe alpha). How are they making ask/answer dialogs work? Those are substacks, right? I may have to use a hidden group in the same stack, but that gets messy. ~Roger Eller From gspearson at gmail.com Wed May 12 07:45:30 2010 From: gspearson at gmail.com (Graham Pearson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 07:45:30 -0400 Subject: Answer Box Inquiry Message-ID: <4BEA94DA.4060203@gmail.com> List: In reading the documentation on the answer keyword I would like to find a way to center this on the screen for those using Windows just like it does on the Mac Environment. The application that I am learning RunRev with positions itself in the lower right corner of the users screen and is only 250W x 75H. I display an answer box to the user in the event that the application can not access the website to consume a web service. In thinking out-loud is the only way to center this error message would be to create a new card to display the error message? Or can the answer command be programmed to display on the center of the users screen instead of over the active card. Graham Pearson, Internet Application Developer We Are Closed Today http://www.weareclosedtoday.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 12 07:47:10 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:47:10 +0300 Subject: [OT] Licensing question Message-ID: <4BEA953E.7080908@gmail.com> A friend of mine has just gone and bought a Windows 7 install disk and is busy installing it on his expensive, bells-n-whistles PC. He wants to give me his Vista install disk so that I can bung it on a P4 for testing. As he is upgrading to Win 7 he doesn't feel that this is a "wicking" thing to do. Any bright ideas about the legality of his idea? From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed May 12 08:07:51 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:07:51 +0200 Subject: Answer Box Inquiry In-Reply-To: <4BEA94DA.4060203@gmail.com> References: <4BEA94DA.4060203@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Graham, There's been a lot of discussion on this topic already http://qurl.tk/am It can be done in several ways. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html On 12 mei 2010, at 13:45, Graham Pearson wrote: > List: > > In reading the documentation on the answer keyword I would like to > find a way to center this on the screen for those using Windows just > like it does on the Mac Environment. The application that I am > learning RunRev with positions itself in the lower right corner of > the users screen and is only 250W x 75H. I display an answer box to > the user in the event that the application can not access the > website to consume a web service. In thinking out-loud is the only > way to center this error message would be to create a new card to > display the error message? Or can the answer command be programmed > to display on the center of the users screen instead of over the > active card. > > > Graham Pearson, Internet Application Developer > We Are Closed Today > http://www.weareclosedtoday.com From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed May 12 08:08:03 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:08:03 +0100 Subject: [OT] Licensing question In-Reply-To: <4BEA953E.7080908@gmail.com> References: <4BEA953E.7080908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <86FF5C34-AB1D-48F7-8D62-A8639E0A9F7D@azurevision.co.uk> Did he buy an upgrade or a full install? If he just has an upgrade then it's s definite no-no. Ian On 12 May 2010, at 12:47, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > A friend of mine has just gone and bought a Windows 7 install > disk and is busy installing it on his expensive, bells-n-whistles > PC. He wants to give me his Vista install disk so that I can bung it > on > a P4 for testing. As he is upgrading to Win 7 he doesn't feel that > this is a "wicking" thing to do. > > Any bright ideas about the legality of his idea? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre.bisseret at inria.fr Wed May 12 08:09:31 2010 From: andre.bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:09:31 +0200 Subject: [data grid] When getting a substack "Data grid Templates nnnn" is necessary? Message-ID: Bonjour Trevor (and all :-) On cards of various substacks I want to be able to create data grids (tables) and, each time, to differently set properties of the new data grid (such as headers and content of course and width of columns, background color of the headers lines; aligning of the headers and of the columns content ?; on some data grids I am also colorizing individual lines using a button "My default column Behavior" etc.? I don't need to customize a Data grid Template. I tried creating each data grid only using copy group "DataGrid" of group "Templates" of stack "revDataGridLibrary" to this card So, I do not get any "Data grid Template nnnn" substack. And all is working as expected. Up to now, I thought that a data grid Template substack was necessary in any case. Seems that's wrong, isn't it? Then it seems that a Data grid Template nnn" substack is necessary only if one needs to customize it? Is this correct? Thanks in advance Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed May 12 08:55:20 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:55:20 -0400 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <660B1103-C734-4B02-A55A-F28EFDAA7F98@numericable.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <660B1103-C734-4B02-A55A-F28EFDAA7F98@numericable.com> Message-ID: Ren?, You could of course start developing with RunRev for revServer and then you would get to target all mobile and web devices, as well as Linux. A revServer option would allow for both native and browser based applications. Which, before this past year, was were all of the talk was centered around. Web Apps are still very relevant and will work in a native browser wrapper on most mobile phones directly. What we need is a community wide collection of revServer 'objects' 'scripts' for each of the desired targets and target features. Tom On May 12, 2010, at 6:09 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > I read ALL the posts about RevMobile iPad published before and after the Kevin's announcement (difficult because I understand directly approximately 50% of what I read). > As a non-professional developper not interested by AppStore, at this time 6 (+2?) solutions are available to me : > 1. Expect a change in strategy from Apple > I don't believe it, especially since I agree with, roughly, the arguments of Steve > Jobs (I am not a fanatic cross-plateform). > 2. Begin to explore Objective-C with the help of my daughter who decided to join it (she's an ActionScripter...) > I find it > hard to believe considering my age and my abilities > 3. Expect Hypercard for iPad suitable to Mr. Jobs... > good wills ? > 4. Expect a multitouch Wacom Wifi tablet (like Cintiq but multitouch and Wifi) > in this case it would multitouch functions in > RunRev > 5. Use RevMobile for iPad in his unfinished version > Full features ? What price ? Compiler ? and Kevin said : "We can no > longer create the native interface objects layer, but rather invite our community to develop a set of emulated object". > This last point does not bother me too much, it is a form of very interesting challenge and it is a bit what I am doing now > with RunRev (the Macintosh interface unsatisfactory) ... > 6. Watch the side of Rodeo > it feel interesting but it feel complicated (perhaps I am wrong...) > If some of you are interested in the point "5", I would be glad to talk with them... > > -- After that line, that's humor! ;-) > I thought also two other solutions : > 7. Start a hunger strike > impossible, I'm french and in France the food is sacred! > 8. Immolate by the fire surrounded by all my Macintoshes (128K, SE30, IIfx, MacPorts, PowerBook 170, PB5040, PB G3 > Series, PB Titanium PB G4 12 "iMac G7 27", sorry I have no iPhone and not yet iPad [28th May]) under the Eiffel > Tower > It's the Steve Jobs's favorite monument ! > > Bon souvenir de Paris > Ren? > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 09:00:46 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:00:46 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <660B1103-C734-4B02-A55A-F28EFDAA7F98@numericable.com> Message-ID: Tom, Is the same "thing" that my point "6" > Rodeo ? // On-Rev ? // Rev server ? // I am completely lost with all this !! Ren? Le 12 mai 2010 ? 14:55, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit : > Ren?, > > You could of course start developing with RunRev for revServer and then you would get to target all mobile and web devices, as well as Linux. > > A revServer option would allow for both native and browser based applications. Which, before this past year, was were all of the talk was centered around. Web Apps are still very relevant and will work in a native browser wrapper on most mobile phones directly. > > What we need is a community wide collection of revServer 'objects' 'scripts' for each of the desired targets and target features. > > Tom > > On May 12, 2010, at 6:09 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> I read ALL the posts about RevMobile iPad published before and after the Kevin's announcement (difficult because I understand directly approximately 50% of what I read). >> As a non-professional developper not interested by AppStore, at this time 6 (+2?) solutions are available to me : >> 1. Expect a change in strategy from Apple > I don't believe it, especially since I agree with, roughly, the arguments of Steve >> Jobs (I am not a fanatic cross-plateform). >> 2. Begin to explore Objective-C with the help of my daughter who decided to join it (she's an ActionScripter...) > I find it >> hard to believe considering my age and my abilities >> 3. Expect Hypercard for iPad suitable to Mr. Jobs... > good wills ? >> 4. Expect a multitouch Wacom Wifi tablet (like Cintiq but multitouch and Wifi) > in this case it would multitouch functions in >> RunRev >> 5. Use RevMobile for iPad in his unfinished version > Full features ? What price ? Compiler ? and Kevin said : "We can no >> longer create the native interface objects layer, but rather invite our community to develop a set of emulated object". >> This last point does not bother me too much, it is a form of very interesting challenge and it is a bit what I am doing now >> with RunRev (the Macintosh interface unsatisfactory) ... >> 6. Watch the side of Rodeo > it feel interesting but it feel complicated (perhaps I am wrong...) >> If some of you are interested in the point "5", I would be glad to talk with them... >> >> -- After that line, that's humor! ;-) >> I thought also two other solutions : >> 7. Start a hunger strike > impossible, I'm french and in France the food is sacred! >> 8. Immolate by the fire surrounded by all my Macintoshes (128K, SE30, IIfx, MacPorts, PowerBook 170, PB5040, PB G3 >> Series, PB Titanium PB G4 12 "iMac G7 27", sorry I have no iPhone and not yet iPad [28th May]) under the Eiffel >> Tower > It's the Steve Jobs's favorite monument ! >> >> Bon souvenir de Paris >> Ren? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed May 12 09:03:09 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 06:03:09 -0700 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement Message-ID: <4BEAA70D.6010109@fourthworld.com> Thomas McGrath wrote: > You could of course start developing with RunRev for revServer > and then you would get to target all mobile and web devices, as > well as Linux. > > A revServer option would allow for both native and browser based > applications. Which, before this past year, was were all of the > talk was centered around. Web Apps are still very relevant and > will work in a native browser wrapper on most mobile phones directly. RevServer, and even the existing Rev CGI engine, are great solutions on the back end. But what goes in the browser? It's still HTML, and for interactivity it means learning JavaScript. That said, JavaScript is fun language, and as the only language natively handled in every browser it's well worth learning. > What we need is a community wide collection of revServer 'objects' > 'scripts' for each of the desired targets and target features. Agreed - and for the browser as well: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 09:18:20 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:18:20 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <4BEAA70D.6010109@fourthworld.com> References: <4BEAA70D.6010109@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <0785A3F7-F199-4B27-ABA1-7F41E695C595@numericable.com> Richard, Why learning JavaScript ? I want use RevTalk !! Le 12 mai 2010 ? 15:03, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > Thomas McGrath wrote: > > > You could of course start developing with RunRev for revServer > > and then you would get to target all mobile and web devices, as > > well as Linux. > > > > A revServer option would allow for both native and browser based > > applications. Which, before this past year, was were all of the > > talk was centered around. Web Apps are still very relevant and > > will work in a native browser wrapper on most mobile phones directly. > > RevServer, and even the existing Rev CGI engine, are great solutions on the back end. > > But what goes in the browser? > > It's still HTML, and for interactivity it means learning JavaScript. > > That said, JavaScript is fun language, and as the only language natively handled in every browser it's well worth learning. > > > > What we need is a community wide collection of revServer 'objects' > > 'scripts' for each of the desired targets and target features. > > Agreed - and for the browser as well: > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed May 12 09:22:39 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:22:39 -0400 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <4BEAA70D.6010109@fourthworld.com> References: <4BEAA70D.6010109@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Richard, I don't know that it would require a complete 100% 'learning' of javascript, exactly, but rather a sharing of javascript resources that are directly tied to irev scripts and UI objects. This is what has been happening already. I need to know how to tie in something I want to do with irev on my site and I go to Sarah's site to see how she tied it into JS (as an example.) This kind of shared resources can lead to a very nice collection of objects and scripts for RunRev users. Ren?, I love this article by Richard: http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/netapps.html I can't speak for Rodeo (You will have to ask Jerry or Sarah) but as far as I know, Rodeo is just for iPhone/iPad but revServer(iRev and revCGI) is for 'all' platforms that have a browser and internet connection. revServer uses revolution in a browser window with out the need for downloading plugins but requires a RunRev engine on the server. It works right now without any violations of any licenses out of the box on all web/browser enabled mobile devices. Check it out on the RunRev site. HTHs Tom On May 12, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > That said, JavaScript is fun language, and as the only language natively handled in every browser it's well worth learning. > > > > What we need is a community wide collection of revServer 'objects' > > 'scripts' for each of the desired targets and target features. > > Agreed - and for the browser as well: > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 09:28:50 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:28:50 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <4BEAA70D.6010109@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Thank you Tom (and Richard...) I will read the Richard's article... and if necessary I come back... Le 12 mai 2010 ? 15:22, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit : > I love this article by Richard: http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/netapps.html From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 12 09:29:46 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:29:46 +0300 Subject: [OT] Licensing question In-Reply-To: <86FF5C34-AB1D-48F7-8D62-A8639E0A9F7D@azurevision.co.uk> References: <4BEA953E.7080908@gmail.com> <86FF5C34-AB1D-48F7-8D62-A8639E0A9F7D@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <4BEAAD4A.4070408@gmail.com> On 12/05/2010 15:08, Ian Wood wrote: > Did he buy an upgrade or a full install? If he just has an upgrade > then it's s definite no-no. > > Ian > > On 12 May 2010, at 12:47, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> A friend of mine has just gone and bought a Windows 7 install >> disk and is busy installing it on his expensive, bells-n-whistles >> PC. He wants to give me his Vista install disk so that I can bung it on >> a P4 for testing. As he is upgrading to Win 7 he doesn't feel that >> this is a "wicking" thing to do. >> >> Any bright ideas about the legality of his idea? No; it is not an upgrade disk, and it is not an OEM that came with the machine. However; he has told me that the disk will install a functioning system that will run for a month prior to registration, and that I could run it for a day just to do my testing and then blank the disk; presumably this is no worse than running a Demo program ???? As I really am not screamingly interested in Vista (or Windows in general) I am merely looking for a way to do about 3 hours testing of my software (a user has reported a problem; which, if it can be reduplicated, is a general RunRev bug) without, quite frankly, having to pay for an install disk. However, for various reasons, I am not overly keen on breaking the law. Another friend of mine offered me the loan of her laptop running Vista; but I really don't want to run the risk of bu**ering up her install. What I need to do is this: Bung Vista on an old P4 1.7GHz, 512 MB RAM I have lurking under my bed; bung RunRev Studio 4 on it; run both the original stack and the standalone - ONCE, to ascertain if the problem is real or just a problem with this chap's individual install. Wipe the disk. Time for all this (inc. OS install) about 120 minutes Max. If the problem is real, there is nothing I can do about it and it has to be lobbed back to RunRev so that it can go on the list of bugfixes: which I very much hope is not the case as they have a backlog going back for yonks. From mikekann at yahoo.com Wed May 12 09:34:48 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 06:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT] Licensing question In-Reply-To: <4BEAAD4A.4070408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <599095.82567.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Richmond, I have a Vista machine if you want me to test anything. Don't hesitate to email me. (It will take me a while to find the parts and get it going, so don't wait till the last minute.) Mike --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > From: Richmond Mathewson > Subject: Re: [OT] Licensing question > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:29 AM > On 12/05/2010 15:08, Ian Wood > wrote: > > Did he buy an upgrade or a full install? If he just > has an upgrade then it's s definite no-no. > > > > Ian > > > > On 12 May 2010, at 12:47, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > > > >> A friend of mine has just gone and bought a > Windows 7 install > >> disk and is busy installing it on his expensive, > bells-n-whistles > >> PC. He wants to give me his Vista install disk so > that I can bung it on > >> a P4 for testing. As he is upgrading to Win 7 he > doesn't feel that > >> this is a "wicking" thing to do. > >> > >> Any bright ideas about the legality of his idea? > > No; it is not an upgrade disk, and it is not an OEM that > came with the machine. > > However; he has told me that the disk will install a > functioning system that will run for > a month prior to registration, and that I could run it for > a day just to do my testing > and then blank the disk; presumably this is no worse than > running a Demo program ???? > > As I really am not screamingly interested in Vista (or > Windows in general) I am merely > looking for a way to do about 3 hours testing of my > software (a user has reported a > problem; which, if it can be reduplicated, is a general > RunRev bug) without, quite frankly, > having to pay for an install disk. However, for various > reasons, I am not overly keen on > breaking the law. > > Another friend of mine offered me the loan of her laptop > running Vista; but I really > don't want to run the risk of bu**ering up her install. > > What I need to do is this: > > Bung Vista on an old P4 1.7GHz, 512 MB RAM I have lurking > under my bed; bung RunRev > Studio 4 on it; run both the original stack and the > standalone - ONCE, to ascertain if the > problem is real or just a problem with this chap's > individual install. Wipe the disk. > > Time for all this (inc. OS install) about 120 minutes Max. > > If the problem is real, there is nothing I can do about it > and it has to be lobbed back to > RunRev so that it can go on the list of bugfixes: which I > very much hope is not the > case as they have a backlog going back for yonks. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mcgrath3 at mac.com Wed May 12 09:37:55 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:37:55 -0400 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <4BEAA70D.6010109@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Ren?, Check out http://www.on-rev.com/revolution/overview/ for information about what how revServer works and search the lists for how Rev CGI works. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 On May 12, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Thank you Tom (and Richard...) > I will read the Richard's article... and if necessary I come back... > > Le 12 mai 2010 ? 15:22, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit : > >> I love this article by Richard: http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/netapps.html > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 12 09:38:13 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:38:13 +0300 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <0785A3F7-F199-4B27-ABA1-7F41E695C595@numericable.com> References: <4BEAA70D.6010109@fourthworld.com> <0785A3F7-F199-4B27-ABA1-7F41E695C595@numericable.com> Message-ID: <4BEAAF45.3040805@gmail.com> On 12/05/2010 16:18, Ren? Micout wrote: > Richard, > Why learning JavaScript ? I want use RevTalk !! > Yes! Having spent the better part of 9 years getting reasonably good at RevTalk I have neither the time, energy or inclination to start learning something as "un-xTalk" as JavaScript. I am pondering whether to learn the HyperNext language but have yet to see what benefits will accrue from that; the developer says he should (nice modal verb there) be popping out a Linux version in September-ish. -------------------------------------------------- Apple have closed the door for Rev developers as far as the iPhone and iPad are concerned; at least for the meantime; so any further discussion in that direction is a waste of time. However; outside the cow-byre of Apple there are lovely green fields full of flowers just longing for programs made with RunRev and revMobile; so "sucks to Apple" and move on . . . :) -------------------------------------------------- From my point of view, RunRev's failure to bring the Linux version up to par with the Windows and Mac versions is not much better than Apple saying "boo". There is a vast area of computing (i.e. Linux deployment) that is being excluded from RunRev developers just as surely as Apple is excluding RunRev developers from the expensive toys. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed May 12 09:42:34 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:42:34 -0400 Subject: [data grid] When getting a substack "Data grid Templates nnnn" is necessary? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 12, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > Up to now, I thought that a data grid Template substack was > necessary in any case. Seems that's wrong, isn't it? > > Then it seems that a Data grid Template nnn" substack is necessary > only if one needs to customize it? Is this correct? The template stack is required for data grid forms, not for data grid tables. Data grid table columns render using a text field if no custom template is defined. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Wed May 12 09:46:53 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 06:46:53 -0700 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <4BEAA70D.6010109@fourthworld.com> References: <4BEAA70D.6010109@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <2040AB55-4C79-413D-BF39-11979CE458DE@yahoo.com> On May 12, 2010, at 6:03 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > RevServer, and even the existing Rev CGI engine, are great solutions > on the back end. > But what goes in the browser? > It's still HTML, and for interactivity it means learning JavaScript. > That said, JavaScript is fun language, and as the only language > natively handled in every browser it's well worth learning. An essential element to using browsers successfully is very good power scripting for accurate browser detection. The best resource online that I have found is QuirksMode.org to modify the HTML for the best result in the various browsers. Also high on the list to study is the Adobe Flash detection scripts that show the array of detection logic paths required for a developer to deliver the best possible user experience in a browser. Of course, you would not use Flash, but their detection algorithms are very complete. The Rev community incarnation would be a library of routines that could be built by collaboration and updated as new versions of browsers hit the market. There are huge advantages to using your RevServer account to host the functions you would require for your 'apps'. One advantage is that variations in javascript between browser versions would have far less effect. In this case you could use basic javascript code to trigger functions (eg. formatText.irev, parseArray.irev, errorCheckForm.irev) based on user interactions. Now you need not learn everything about javascript and do the tricky stuff in irev/rev stacks/cgi Some on the list may not realize that you can build a stack of many cards, then launch it on the RevServer using Rev cgi/irev so that its stack script is available momentarily. Just add the stack to the cgi environment, build the scripts, launch it without using any User Interface (UI) objects, then access the fields, navigate the cards just as you would on your desktop. After the cgi call is completed, the stack disappears from memory, but the idea is that its stack script functions returned a result that is sent back to the users browser to be displayed. Theoretically, you could have one Rev stack for each web page you would own or support. Or you could have a Rev stack containing all of the browser detection scripts, and this stack would be called/used for each ping from the web page. The result is highly accurate HTML for each browser. By sharing this development, those who know javascript could show how to build simple 'hooks' so that most of the heavy lifting would be in RevTalk Of course, if you wanted to use zero javascript, your web solutions would be less powerful and more difficult to create. Hope this helps. Jim Ault Las Vegas From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 09:48:50 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:48:50 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <4BEAAF45.3040805@gmail.com> References: <4BEAA70D.6010109@fourthworld.com> <0785A3F7-F199-4B27-ABA1-7F41E695C595@numericable.com> <4BEAAF45.3040805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42DE7CAB-9B6C-4C51-A34E-9B331B7E1561@numericable.com> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 15:38, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > so "sucks to Apple" and move > on Richmond, I like (love ?) RunRev but I like (love) also Apple computers (hardware and software)... I love RevTalk > no JavaScript (while...) I love Apple > no Linux, no Windows :-) From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 09:52:11 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:52:11 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <2040AB55-4C79-413D-BF39-11979CE458DE@yahoo.com> References: <4BEAA70D.6010109@fourthworld.com> <2040AB55-4C79-413D-BF39-11979CE458DE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8880B3B1-D8DE-45CF-AFEC-67E51A474953@numericable.com> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 15:46, Jim Ault a ?crit : > Of course, if you wanted to use zero javascript, your web solutions would be less powerful and more difficult to create. What I want to do is create multitouch musical instruments for my own use (composition...) From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed May 12 09:56:52 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 06:56:52 -0700 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement Message-ID: <4BEAB3A4.7020103@fourthworld.com> Ren? Micout wrote: > Richard, > Why learning JavaScript ? I want use RevTalk !! To deploy to a desktop browser, you can use RevTalk with the RevWeb browser plugin. In a mobile device, you can wait for RevMobile's Android or Maemo versions. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From mikekann at yahoo.com Wed May 12 10:02:51 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 07:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <2040AB55-4C79-413D-BF39-11979CE458DE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <624286.91800.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> As usual, Jim has provided us with a great explanation of how it all fits together. My first question: Why don't you gather up all your posts and put out a book? I just want to add one small addition. All the popular javascript libraries, jQuery et. al., are popular because they have built-in browser sniffing. Instead of heading to quirksmode.org directly, a person could either use or deconstruct those libraries to find out how to do it. Mike --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Jim Ault wrote: > From: Jim Ault > Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:46 AM > On May 12, 2010, at 6:03 AM, Richard > Gaskin wrote: > > > > RevServer, and even the existing Rev CGI engine, are > great solutions on the back end. > > But what goes in the browser? > > It's still HTML, and for interactivity it means > learning JavaScript. > > That said, JavaScript is fun language, and as the only > language natively handled in every browser it's well worth > learning. > > An essential element to using browsers successfully is very > good power scripting for accurate browser detection.? > The best resource online that I have found is QuirksMode.org > to modify the HTML for the best result in the various > browsers. > > Also high on the list to study is the Adobe Flash detection > scripts that show the array of detection logic paths > required for a developer to deliver the best possible user > experience in a browser.? Of course, you would not use > Flash, but their detection algorithms are very complete. > > The Rev community incarnation would be a library of > routines that could be built by collaboration and updated as > new versions of browsers hit the market. > > There are huge advantages to using your RevServer account > to host the functions you would require for your > 'apps'.? One advantage is that variations in javascript > between browser versions would have far less effect.? > In this case you could use basic javascript code to trigger > functions (eg. formatText.irev, parseArray.irev, > errorCheckForm.irev) based on user interactions.? Now > you need not learn everything about javascript and do the > tricky stuff in irev/rev stacks/cgi > > Some on the list may not realize that you can build a stack > of many cards, then launch it on the RevServer using Rev > cgi/irev so that its stack script is available > momentarily.? Just add the stack to the cgi > environment, build the scripts, launch it without using any > User Interface (UI) objects, then access the fields, > navigate the cards just as you would on your desktop.? > After the cgi call is completed, the stack disappears from > memory, but the idea is that its stack script functions > returned a result that is sent back to the users browser to > be displayed. > > Theoretically, you could have one Rev stack for each web > page you would own or support.? Or you could have a Rev > stack containing all of the browser detection scripts, and > this stack would be called/used for each ping from the web > page.? The result is highly accurate HTML for each > browser. > > By sharing this development, those who know javascript > could show how to build simple 'hooks' so that most of the > heavy lifting would be in RevTalk > > Of course, if you wanted to use zero javascript, your web > solutions would be less powerful and more difficult to > create. > > Hope this helps. > > Jim Ault > Las Vegas > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 12 10:03:59 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 17:03:59 +0300 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <42DE7CAB-9B6C-4C51-A34E-9B331B7E1561@numericable.com> References: <4BEAA70D.6010109@fourthworld.com> <0785A3F7-F199-4B27-ABA1-7F41E695C595@numericable.com> <4BEAAF45.3040805@gmail.com> <42DE7CAB-9B6C-4C51-A34E-9B331B7E1561@numericable.com> Message-ID: <4BEAB54F.9080300@gmail.com> On 12/05/2010 16:48, Ren? Micout wrote: > Le 12 mai 2010 ? 15:38, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > >> so "sucks to Apple" and move >> on > Richmond, > I like (love ?) RunRev but I like (love) also Apple computers (hardware and software)... > I love RevTalk> no JavaScript (while...) > I love Apple> no Linux, no Windows > :-)_______________________________________________ I have been married for very nearly 20 years; the path of 'true love' is rarely, if ever, smooth. I love my PPC G3 and G4 Macs; should I suddenly become a bit richer than I am at the moment I would probably rush out a buy a maxxed-out MacPro,a big, juicy laptop and so on. I have 3 children who come to my school with iPhones; I have played around with all of them extensively; they, frankly, leave me cold: when I want a mobile telephone I want a mobile telephone; when I want a computer I want a computer; when I want a record player, camera, personal psychiatrist . . . blah, blah, blah. And, last but not least; curling up with an iPad for a read seems a pretty poor second to a real book. I don't have much time for dictatorial types who tell me what I can or cannot do with something I, supposedly, own; or stop me from helping other people do what they want with things they supposedly own. I also love the fact that, thanks to Linux, my hardware overheads in my school are about ten percent of my children's annual pocket-money requirements. I don't like Windows; but, like it or not; most of the people who use my software outwith my school use Windows - so I have to test my stuff on Windows. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I love Runtime Revolution "to distraction", and have repeatedly tried to 'stretch the envelope' with it. I love it so much that I would like it to be available to all and everybody, as so with standalones generated from it; hence my hammering on and on about the Linux version. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know that Kevin and Co. are in an awkward position. However, I did state a while back that I wondered whether they were not over-extending themselves a bit. I do hope that both RunRev and RunRev (i.e. the company and the IDE) can survive this particular storm - which, in all probability, will look rather insignificant with the wisdom of hindsight in a couple of years time. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 12 10:06:37 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 17:06:37 +0300 Subject: [OT] Licensing question In-Reply-To: <599095.82567.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <599095.82567.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BEAB5ED.1040301@gmail.com> On 12/05/2010 16:34, Michael Kann wrote: > Richmond, I have a Vista machine if you want me to test anything. Don't hesitate to email me. (It will take me a while to find the parts and get it going, so don't wait till the last minute.) > > Mike > That's extremely kind of you; I will let you know in good time if the possibilities round here don't seem to be the right ones. sincerely, Richmond. From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed May 12 10:11:37 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:11:37 +0100 Subject: On-Rev question - can you 'upload' to other web services? Message-ID: I'm researching some web gallery stuff powered by On-Rev, but would like the ability to add images hosted on On-Rev to Flickr via their API. Is it possible to do things like FTP *from* the On-Rev server? Thanks, Ian From andre at andregarzia.com Wed May 12 10:22:36 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:22:36 -0300 Subject: On-Rev question - can you 'upload' to other web services? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think it is but maybe not with libURL calls. I haven't tested FTP URLS with On-Rev but in any case, you can call shell() and curl probably. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > I'm researching some web gallery stuff powered by On-Rev, but would like > the ability to add images hosted on On-Rev to Flickr via their API. > > Is it possible to do things like FTP *from* the On-Rev server? > > Thanks, > > Ian > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From jerry.daniels at me.com Wed May 12 10:38:20 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:38:20 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <660B1103-C734-4B02-A55A-F28EFDAA7F98@numericable.com> Message-ID: Rene, Since you brought it up, I believe Rodeo is the most straight forward approach to developing web apps for the iPad. Of course, I'm biased because Sarah, Rob, Mary Jane and I are creating Rodeo! You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. Rodeo will be like HyperCard for the iPad. Simple and easy. Whatever skill you possess in revTalk, HyperTalk, stack/card architecture can be reused as a Rodeo developer. Rodeo is being built using revServer, On-Rev and Revolution IDE by our development team. RunRev, the company, will profit from our endeavor as our technology of choice. We would not be able to get to market so quickly without our use of Revolution technology. With Rodeo Desktop IDE you write your code in a single HyperTalk-like language and build your interface with an integrated Hypercard-like UI builder. On the iPad itself you will be able to edit the code for your Rodeo-built web app if you have edit permissions, which as the author of the app you would have. Rodeo is well suited for personal app development, education, consultants, and custom app developers whose clients don't want to pay $75,000+ or deal with Apple's app store as is the case with an Objective-C app for the iPad As the weeks tick by, we plan to add support for iPhone and other mobile platforms if there is a demand. We are seriously considering an option to help our customers roll their web apps into native iPad apps that can be submitted to the app store. This service will also be demand-driven. This is a simple product with attractive pricing made with the small developer and inventive user in mind. I hope this explanation helps you sort through your options. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Tom, > Is the same "thing" that my point "6" > Rodeo ? // On-Rev ? // Rev server ? // > I am completely lost with all this !! > Ren? > > Le 12 mai 2010 ? 14:55, Thomas McGrath III a ?crit : > >> Ren?, >> >> You could of course start developing with RunRev for revServer and then you would get to target all mobile and web devices, as well as Linux. >> >> A revServer option would allow for both native and browser based applications. Which, before this past year, was were all of the talk was centered around. Web Apps are still very relevant and will work in a native browser wrapper on most mobile phones directly. >> >> What we need is a community wide collection of revServer 'objects' 'scripts' for each of the desired targets and target features. >> >> Tom >> >> On May 12, 2010, at 6:09 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: >> >>> I read ALL the posts about RevMobile iPad published before and after the Kevin's announcement (difficult because I understand directly approximately 50% of what I read). >>> As a non-professional developper not interested by AppStore, at this time 6 (+2?) solutions are available to me : >>> 1. Expect a change in strategy from Apple > I don't believe it, especially since I agree with, roughly, the arguments of Steve >>> Jobs (I am not a fanatic cross-plateform). >>> 2. Begin to explore Objective-C with the help of my daughter who decided to join it (she's an ActionScripter...) > I find it >>> hard to believe considering my age and my abilities >>> 3. Expect Hypercard for iPad suitable to Mr. Jobs... > good wills ? >>> 4. Expect a multitouch Wacom Wifi tablet (like Cintiq but multitouch and Wifi) > in this case it would multitouch functions in >>> RunRev >>> 5. Use RevMobile for iPad in his unfinished version > Full features ? What price ? Compiler ? and Kevin said : "We can no >>> longer create the native interface objects layer, but rather invite our community to develop a set of emulated object". >>> This last point does not bother me too much, it is a form of very interesting challenge and it is a bit what I am doing now >>> with RunRev (the Macintosh interface unsatisfactory) ... >>> 6. Watch the side of Rodeo > it feel interesting but it feel complicated (perhaps I am wrong...) >>> If some of you are interested in the point "5", I would be glad to talk with them... >>> >>> -- After that line, that's humor! ;-) >>> I thought also two other solutions : >>> 7. Start a hunger strike > impossible, I'm french and in France the food is sacred! >>> 8. Immolate by the fire surrounded by all my Macintoshes (128K, SE30, IIfx, MacPorts, PowerBook 170, PB5040, PB G3 >>> Series, PB Titanium PB G4 12 "iMac G7 27", sorry I have no iPhone and not yet iPad [28th May]) under the Eiffel >>> Tower > It's the Steve Jobs's favorite monument ! >>> >>> Bon souvenir de Paris >>> Ren? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Wed May 12 10:49:28 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:49:28 +0200 Subject: [data grid] When getting a substack "Data grid Templates nnnn" is necessary? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6996FBC1-46F3-4607-94F0-4427BB43BA5C@inria.fr> Le 12 mai 10 ? 15:42, Trevor DeVore a ?crit : > On May 12, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > >> Up to now, I thought that a data grid Template substack was >> necessary in any case. Seems that's wrong, isn't it? >> >> Then it seems that a Data grid Template nnn" substack is necessary >> only if one needs to customize it? Is this correct? > > The template stack is required for data grid forms, not for data > grid tables. Data grid table columns render using a text field if no > custom template is defined. > > -- > Trevor DeVore > Blue Mango Learning Systems > ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com > Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com > _______________________________________________ OK, understood ;-)) Thanks you much Trevor. Andr? From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 10:52:24 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:52:24 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <660B1103-C734-4B02-A55A-F28EFDAA7F98@numericable.com> Message-ID: <7483D17A-08B0-4806-8185-5481BC1B9203@numericable.com> Jerry, Your explanation are, for me, easier to understand than your blog explanation (because I can read and I am not obliged to follow your explanations spoken...). If I have well understand Rodeo is that I need ! Question 1 : is 100% iPad features available ? > music by example... Question 2 : why it is not the way taken by RunRev ? Ren? Le 12 mai 2010 ? 16:38, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > Since you brought it up, I believe Rodeo is the most straight forward approach to developing web apps for the iPad. Of course, I'm biased because Sarah, Rob, Mary Jane and I are creating Rodeo! > > You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. > > Rodeo will be like HyperCard for the iPad. Simple and easy. Whatever skill you possess in revTalk, HyperTalk, stack/card architecture can be reused as a Rodeo developer. > > Rodeo is being built using revServer, On-Rev and Revolution IDE by our development team. RunRev, the company, will profit from our endeavor as our technology of choice. We would not be able to get to market so quickly without our use of Revolution technology. > > With Rodeo Desktop IDE you write your code in a single HyperTalk-like language and build your interface with an integrated Hypercard-like UI builder. On the iPad itself you will be able to edit the code for your Rodeo-built web app if you have edit permissions, which as the author of the app you would have. > > Rodeo is well suited for personal app development, education, consultants, and custom app developers whose clients don't want to pay $75,000+ or deal with Apple's app store as is the case with an Objective-C app for the iPad > > As the weeks tick by, we plan to add support for iPhone and other mobile platforms if there is a demand. We are seriously considering an option to help our customers roll their web apps into native iPad apps that can be submitted to the app store. This service will also be demand-driven. > > This is a simple product with attractive pricing made with the small developer and inventive user in mind. I hope this explanation helps you sort through your options. From mikekann at yahoo.com Wed May 12 11:01:03 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: On-Rev question - can you 'upload' to other web services? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <175905.86029.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ian, a guy has written a framework to do it in PHP. Scroll down about 7/10 of the way to see where he writes about "uploading images." You could just use his script to do it in PHP on the on-rev server, or translate the PHP into irev. http://phpflickr.com/phpFlickr/README.txt ----------------------------- Ian asked: I'm researching some web gallery stuff powered by On-Rev, but would like the ability to add images hosted on On-Rev to Flickr via their API. Is it possible to do things like FTP *from* the On-Rev server? From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed May 12 11:04:33 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:04:33 -0700 Subject: [OT] Licensing question In-Reply-To: <4BEAAD4A.4070408@gmail.com> References: <4BEA953E.7080908@gmail.com> <86FF5C34-AB1D-48F7-8D62-A8639E0A9F7D@azurevision.co.uk> <4BEAAD4A.4070408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <12-1858660500.20100512080433@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:29:46 AM, you wrote: > However; he has told me that the disk will install a functioning system > that will run for > a month prior to registration, and that I could run it for a day just to > do my testing > and then blank the disk; presumably this is no worse than running a Demo > program ???? My take on this: IANAL, but my understanding is that the 30-day trial period is there for that purpose and is fine to do in almost any circumstances. Almost, because depending on what Vista version it is, the TOS may prohibit virtualization. Not that there's a technical reason it can't be done, just that MS decided it *shouldn't* be done. Other than that, I'd say set up VirtualBox for a Vista VM, install it there, and do your testing without messing up your running system. > What I need to do is this: > Bung Vista on an old P4 1.7GHz, 512 MB RAM I have lurking under my bed; Rotfl. It's possible you could get Vista Home Basic running on that configuration, given enough hard disk space, but the other versions require more memory. And I wouldn't count on it being very usable in that configuration. My old Vista installation wouldn't install updates because I *only* had 2GB memory in the system. > Time for all this (inc. OS install) about 120 minutes Max. Rotfl. This is Windows we're talking about. I'd seriously think about investing a full day in the process. What I'd do in your situation is copy my files onto a flash drive, walk over to my friend's Vista/Win7/whatever machine, and see if they ran there. Much less gnashing of teeth and tearing of hair. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From davidocoker at gmail.com Wed May 12 11:04:38 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:04:38 -0500 Subject: Strange results in deletion of lines In-Reply-To: <46930EC9-E83A-448A-B0A9-EE8B2EEB11F1@yahoo.com> References: <4BE9D9D5.9090108@tiscali.co.uk> <46930EC9-E83A-448A-B0A9-EE8B2EEB11F1@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just want to offer a BIG thank you to everyone who has replied. By trying different variations of the coding strategies offered, I was able to make the program run flawlessly *AND* adding several optional processing options (like the "F" numbers and similar), all while cutting the overall run time down by approximately 65% in the process! As for simplicity in the final product, the user will select any of three check boxes, push a "run" button and save the results when it's finished. I cannot imagine it to being any simpler for them. :-) You folks are just awesome! David C. From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Wed May 12 11:07:21 2010 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 17:07:21 +0200 Subject: Replace rgb1 with rbg2 Message-ID: <4BEAC429.504@hrz.uni-kassel.de> On Tue, 11 May 2010, JosepM wrote: > Hi List, > > How can I change one color rgb by other color rgb into a image? > I found some scripts in the list that show some ideas to accomplish it. But > nothing work for me. > > I binaryencode("C",red) to replace with other binaryencoded value, but no > result > I replaced using numtochar, but no result > > It's posible do the operation inside a rect of some object? > > Any idea? > > Salut, > Josep Josep, your question had also been asked on this list on March 15 by Tiemo Hollmann. For my convenience I quote here my answer to Tiemo's question along with examples of images with "replaced colors" and links to scripting such replacing: On March 15, 2010, Tiemo Hollmann TB toolbook at kestner.de wrote: > I am not that familiar with the image manipulating capabilities of rev. I > have a batch of images with a person in front of a blue background. > > What I would like to do is to change the blue background against a white > background, so that a printed image has a better contrast. Up to now I > thought that this is a photoshop job, but I am always again surprised what > people do with rev (blending, masking, etc.). Or any externals for Mac and > Win? I don't know if at all it would be possible, to find and select > automatically the "background" (e.g. select always the topleft corner) and > select all of the blue, like photoshops wizard selecting tool with some > tolerance of 10 or 20%, because the RGB isn't that plain over the whole > background. and stephen barncard stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com answered: > you mean you want a "magic wand" or "replace color" tool? I don't think rev > can do that natively. Adobe may even have a patent on it. I think "to replace a color in an image" is one of the simpler tasks feasable with Rev (see farther below for the recipes). There are some on this list that have explored possibilities of image editing with Rev - and from which I have learned much when I started myself to experiment with such things. Some of the results and related image-manipulating tools can be inspected on my website . The two "Imagedata Toolkits" from 2006 and 2007 contain more than hundred filters and other tools to manipulate images. A number of newer stacks are still in the process of being prepared for public release. The basic problem with using Rev for image processing is that with big-sized images the processing speed can be very, very slow. Another problem are a number of bugs in Rev that led to rather frequent crashes when I was working on a set of other tools ("Photo Patchworks", "Gradientology", "Kaleidoscope Tool"), which has substantially delayed their release - along with the fact that Rev is no longer in the center of my interests as it has been before. I have addressed the speed and crash problems on various occasions and also in my last post to this list of March 9: "Language comparisons: "Lua" - simpler and faster than RevTalk?" (which you can also get from here: ) and in which I announced two other stacks "Exploring Hues" and "Lua Filters". Both stacks contain "replace" tools, one that I ported from Lua and others that I had developed earlier on my own. Concerning Tiemo's question: I replaced (a range of) colors colors in two images in two different ways: 1. Replacing a color range with a "plain" replace color 2. Replacing a color range while preserving "structures" in the color area being replaced, for examples the clouds on the blue sky that now look red like the replaced color of the sky, but remain discernible inside the new red background. Two examples for each approach: and You find the necessary scripts here: The procedures to replace the colors in this case are like here (many other approaches are of course possible). - select a color-to-be-replaced by clicking on the image and getting the "mousecolor" using a script in the image - define a "range" for that color via an ask dialog - get the replace color from somewhere; in my case I used a color field whose background colors I set with RGB sliders - as in the "Color Chooser" stack. - finally press the replace button (and repeat that process if necessary to refine color selection and range). I also use a movable graphic on top of the image to restrict such "replace color" (or any other) effects to a specific area of the image. Kind regards, Wilhelm Sanke From jerry.daniels at me.com Wed May 12 11:12:57 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:12:57 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <7483D17A-08B0-4806-8185-5481BC1B9203@numericable.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <660B1103-C734-4B02-A55A-F28EFDAA7F98@numericable.com> <7483D17A-08B0-4806-8185-5481BC1B9203@numericable.com> Message-ID: <6F09BDFE-CFD0-49C9-9A8B-929F2B6D88C2@me.com> Rene, You ask an excellent question: If the approach Rodeo takes can let you use the iPad features using a single HyperTalk-like language, then why doesn't Runtime Revolution do this? The simple answer is: it's not in their corporate DNA, but it is most certainly in ours. RunRev is all about the binary engine...creating it, making it happen. We're all about text...parsing it, letting an engine render it. Kevin and I talked before I announced, of course. We have worked together over the years and know each other pretty well. It was obvious to us both the directions each of us would go in response to the Apple lock-down. Different, but very complementary. Best, Jerry Daniels Use Revolution technology to create iPad apps: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Jerry, > Your explanation are, for me, easier to understand than your blog explanation (because I can read and I am not obliged to follow your explanations spoken...). > If I have well understand Rodeo is that I need ! > Question 1 : is 100% iPad features available ? > music by example... > Question 2 : why it is not the way taken by RunRev ? > Ren? > > Le 12 mai 2010 ? 16:38, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > >> Since you brought it up, I believe Rodeo is the most straight forward approach to developing web apps for the iPad. Of course, I'm biased because Sarah, Rob, Mary Jane and I are creating Rodeo! >> >> You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. >> >> Rodeo will be like HyperCard for the iPad. Simple and easy. Whatever skill you possess in revTalk, HyperTalk, stack/card architecture can be reused as a Rodeo developer. >> >> Rodeo is being built using revServer, On-Rev and Revolution IDE by our development team. RunRev, the company, will profit from our endeavor as our technology of choice. We would not be able to get to market so quickly without our use of Revolution technology. >> >> With Rodeo Desktop IDE you write your code in a single HyperTalk-like language and build your interface with an integrated Hypercard-like UI builder. On the iPad itself you will be able to edit the code for your Rodeo-built web app if you have edit permissions, which as the author of the app you would have. >> >> Rodeo is well suited for personal app development, education, consultants, and custom app developers whose clients don't want to pay $75,000+ or deal with Apple's app store as is the case with an Objective-C app for the iPad >> >> As the weeks tick by, we plan to add support for iPhone and other mobile platforms if there is a demand. We are seriously considering an option to help our customers roll their web apps into native iPad apps that can be submitted to the app store. This service will also be demand-driven. >> >> This is a simple product with attractive pricing made with the small developer and inventive user in mind. I hope this explanation helps you sort through your options. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed May 12 11:22:12 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:22:12 +0100 Subject: On-Rev question - can you 'upload' to other web services? In-Reply-To: <175905.86029.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <175905.86029.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39561C2E-408F-41AB-8904-4564A6C7A097@azurevision.co.uk> Andre & Michael, Thanks a lot, those two pointers should get me far enough to do a few tests. Ta, Ian On 12 May 2010, at 16:01, Michael Kann wrote: > Ian, a guy has written a framework to do it in PHP. Scroll down > about 7/10 of the way to see where he writes about "uploading images." > > You could just use his script to do it in PHP on the on-rev server, > or translate the PHP into irev. > > http://phpflickr.com/phpFlickr/README.txt > > ----------------------------- > Ian asked: > > I'm researching some web gallery stuff powered by On-Rev, but would > like the ability to add images hosted on On-Rev to Flickr via their > API. > > Is it possible to do things like FTP *from* the On-Rev server? > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 11:30:51 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 17:30:51 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <6F09BDFE-CFD0-49C9-9A8B-929F2B6D88C2@me.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <660B1103-C734-4B02-A55A-F28EFDAA7F98@numericable.com> <7483D17A-08B0-4806-8185-5481BC1B9203@numericable.com> <6F09BDFE-CFD0-49C9-9A8B-929F2B6D88C2@me.com> Message-ID: <3DBBCBE1-6DA8-4EA5-93EA-FCC208406F1C@numericable.com> And for my first question ? ;-) Le 12 mai 2010 ? 17:12, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > Rene, > > You ask an excellent question: > > If the approach Rodeo takes can let you use the iPad features using a single HyperTalk-like language, then why doesn't Runtime Revolution do this? > > The simple answer is: it's not in their corporate DNA, but it is most certainly in ours. RunRev is all about the binary engine...creating it, making it happen. We're all about text...parsing it, letting an engine render it. > > Kevin and I talked before I announced, of course. We have worked together over the years and know each other pretty well. It was obvious to us both the directions each of us would go in response to the Apple lock-down. Different, but very complementary. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Use Revolution technology to create iPad apps: > http://rodeoapps.com > > On May 12, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> Jerry, >> Your explanation are, for me, easier to understand than your blog explanation (because I can read and I am not obliged to follow your explanations spoken...). >> If I have well understand Rodeo is that I need ! >> Question 1 : is 100% iPad features available ? > music by example... >> Question 2 : why it is not the way taken by RunRev ? >> Ren? >> >> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 16:38, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : >> >>> Since you brought it up, I believe Rodeo is the most straight forward approach to developing web apps for the iPad. Of course, I'm biased because Sarah, Rob, Mary Jane and I are creating Rodeo! >>> >>> You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. >>> >>> Rodeo will be like HyperCard for the iPad. Simple and easy. Whatever skill you possess in revTalk, HyperTalk, stack/card architecture can be reused as a Rodeo developer. >>> >>> Rodeo is being built using revServer, On-Rev and Revolution IDE by our development team. RunRev, the company, will profit from our endeavor as our technology of choice. We would not be able to get to market so quickly without our use of Revolution technology. >>> >>> With Rodeo Desktop IDE you write your code in a single HyperTalk-like language and build your interface with an integrated Hypercard-like UI builder. On the iPad itself you will be able to edit the code for your Rodeo-built web app if you have edit permissions, which as the author of the app you would have. >>> >>> Rodeo is well suited for personal app development, education, consultants, and custom app developers whose clients don't want to pay $75,000+ or deal with Apple's app store as is the case with an Objective-C app for the iPad >>> >>> As the weeks tick by, we plan to add support for iPhone and other mobile platforms if there is a demand. We are seriously considering an option to help our customers roll their web apps into native iPad apps that can be submitted to the app store. This service will also be demand-driven. >>> >>> This is a simple product with attractive pricing made with the small developer and inventive user in mind. I hope this explanation helps you sort through your options. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From martyknapp at comcast.net Wed May 12 11:54:20 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:54:20 -0700 Subject: Weird stack name In-Reply-To: <4BE9DFE2.2050707@hyperactivesw.com> References: <785134.73115.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4BE9DFE2.2050707@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BEACF2C.80205@comcast.net> I lost all emails from the list from about 4 o'clock yesterday (Pacific Daylight Time in the U.S.) so if anyone responded to this issue, could you please resend to me? Sorry for the bother. Marty Knapp > Michael Kann wrote: >> Marty, >> >> I would take a look at all the readable strings in your standalone >> binary. >> >> Find the Macintosh version of this type of Windows program: >> >> http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/Programming/textscan/Freeware.htm >> >> >> The string must be in there somewhere. > > I was thinking the same. Marty, you can just open the stack in BBEdit > or any text editor. If that string isn't there, do you have any > printing handlers? Seems like the name is related to that. > From davidocoker at gmail.com Wed May 12 11:55:03 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:55:03 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <660B1103-C734-4B02-A55A-F28EFDAA7F98@numericable.com> Message-ID: This is more of an editorial comment rather than adding anything much of real value to the discussion, but here goes... RunRev offers some awesome products and this list community is just about as good as it gets anywhere. With that said, I can add that although I sincerely admire what you folks have planned for Rodeo, it is highly unlikely that I'll ever become a customer or user. > You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution > IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web > apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. What it *does* require though, is the purchase or ownership of Apple hardware (the iPad for sure and/or a Mac computer should the Windows version not come about) and I have no intentions of ever "going there" again. Apple's restrictive and unwarranted policies have cost them (and Rodeo) at least one customer for the future. As much as I enjoy the functionality, ownership of the iPhone even feels a bit "dirty" to me now. An Android phone will most likely be in my future. I've become a customer to many of you here that offer Rev related products... just purchased the conference dvd's, should have a RevServer account by the end of the week and have plans to upgrade to the Enterprise edition and/or add RevMobile sometime in the near future. I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. A sad state of affairs, huh? Best regards, David C. From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Wed May 12 11:58:10 2010 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:58:10 +0100 Subject: Zombie Win icon In-Reply-To: <20100512132239.649CD288188@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100512132239.649CD288188@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: On 12 May 2010, at 2:22 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > I'm sorry, David, I don't know the answers to your questions; >> 1/ What is the silver bullet needed to kill off my horrible first icon? (I know, silver bullet is vampires...) >> >> 2/ Why does my IcoFX icon only appear at small sizes when all sizes are built into the icon? >> > Hmm... The horrible old icon only appears in folders in which I have previously saved the standalone with the old icon. New folder = correct icon. Maybe icons & their associations get saved in thumbs.db and aren't smart enough to update? However, I can't work out how to show the thumbs.db file on Vista.... :-/ any suggestions? I also found that IcoFX can change the icon associated with a .exe file. Setting the icon this way seems to make it behave a bit better that via the Rev build standalone options. Not quite ready to fork out $50 yet.....surely there must be Windows folks out there who understand this stuff? David Glasgow From mikekann at yahoo.com Wed May 12 12:00:26 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Weird stack name In-Reply-To: <4BEACF2C.80205@comcast.net> Message-ID: <358361.80248.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Marty, you can always go to the link at the bottom of every post to get back to the archives. Every post is there in order in case you missed something important. Link: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Marty Knapp wrote: > From: Marty Knapp > Subject: Re: Weird stack name > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 10:54 AM > I lost all emails from the list from > about 4 o'clock yesterday (Pacific Daylight Time in the > U.S.) so if anyone responded to this issue, could you please > resend to me? Sorry for the bother. > > Marty Knapp > > > > Michael Kann wrote: > >> Marty, > >> > >> I would take a look at all the readable strings in > your standalone binary. > >> > >> Find the Macintosh version of this type of Windows > program: > >> > >> http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/Programming/textscan/Freeware.htm > > >> > >> The string must be in there somewhere. > > > > I was thinking the same. Marty, you can just open the > stack in BBEdit or any text editor. If that string isn't > there, do you have any printing handlers? Seems like the > name is related to that. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mikekann at yahoo.com Wed May 12 12:01:49 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Weird stack name In-Reply-To: <4BEACF2C.80205@comcast.net> Message-ID: <646600.41025.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Marty, As for the specific problem, I think we're stumped. --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Marty Knapp wrote: > From: Marty Knapp > Subject: Re: Weird stack name > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 10:54 AM > I lost all emails from the list from > about 4 o'clock yesterday (Pacific Daylight Time in the > U.S.) so if anyone responded to this issue, could you please > resend to me? Sorry for the bother. > > Marty Knapp > > > > Michael Kann wrote: > >> Marty, > >> > >> I would take a look at all the readable strings in > your standalone binary. > >> > >> Find the Macintosh version of this type of Windows > program: > >> > >> http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/Programming/textscan/Freeware.htm > > >> > >> The string must be in there somewhere. > > > > I was thinking the same. Marty, you can just open the > stack in BBEdit or any text editor. If that string isn't > there, do you have any printing handlers? Seems like the > name is related to that. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jerry.daniels at me.com Wed May 12 12:01:53 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:01:53 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <3DBBCBE1-6DA8-4EA5-93EA-FCC208406F1C@numericable.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <660B1103-C734-4B02-A55A-F28EFDAA7F98@numericable.com> <7483D17A-08B0-4806-8185-5481BC1B9203@numericable.com> <6F09BDFE-CFD0-49C9-9A8B-929F2B6D88C2@me.com> <3DBBCBE1-6DA8-4EA5-93EA-FCC208406F1C@numericable.com> Message-ID: <9F1523B8-B134-4DE1-BF6F-3EA8B4B10742@me.com> Ren?, Answer: Yes, Rodeo will support access to the iPad APIs that make playing music, etc. possible in a web app. We are constrained by what Apple will allow, but thus far it appears to be a wide-open playing field. That said, Rodeo is being developed and will be released in stages with incremental improvements much as tRev has. Not everything will be available from day one, but because of this, day one will come quickly. Our Kickstart program and sales of tRev are starting to create a development budget for us. The more of that we can do, the better. Also, we have been approached about contract work where we build Rodeo apps for others. Many thanks to the Kickstarters, tRev buyers and iPad clients. May they multiply! We may need to create some Rodeo developers quickly so they can help us with our contracting! Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > And for my first question ? > ;-) > > Le 12 mai 2010 ? 17:12, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > >> Rene, >> >> You ask an excellent question: >> >> If the approach Rodeo takes can let you use the iPad features using a single HyperTalk-like language, then why doesn't Runtime Revolution do this? >> >> The simple answer is: it's not in their corporate DNA, but it is most certainly in ours. RunRev is all about the binary engine...creating it, making it happen. We're all about text...parsing it, letting an engine render it. >> >> Kevin and I talked before I announced, of course. We have worked together over the years and know each other pretty well. It was obvious to us both the directions each of us would go in response to the Apple lock-down. Different, but very complementary. >> >> Best, >> >> Jerry Daniels >> >> Use Revolution technology to create iPad apps: >> http://rodeoapps.com >> >> On May 12, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: >> >>> Jerry, >>> Your explanation are, for me, easier to understand than your blog explanation (because I can read and I am not obliged to follow your explanations spoken...). >>> If I have well understand Rodeo is that I need ! >>> Question 1 : is 100% iPad features available ? > music by example... >>> Question 2 : why it is not the way taken by RunRev ? >>> Ren? >>> >>> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 16:38, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : >>> >>>> Since you brought it up, I believe Rodeo is the most straight forward approach to developing web apps for the iPad. Of course, I'm biased because Sarah, Rob, Mary Jane and I are creating Rodeo! >>>> >>>> You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. >>>> >>>> Rodeo will be like HyperCard for the iPad. Simple and easy. Whatever skill you possess in revTalk, HyperTalk, stack/card architecture can be reused as a Rodeo developer. >>>> >>>> Rodeo is being built using revServer, On-Rev and Revolution IDE by our development team. RunRev, the company, will profit from our endeavor as our technology of choice. We would not be able to get to market so quickly without our use of Revolution technology. >>>> >>>> With Rodeo Desktop IDE you write your code in a single HyperTalk-like language and build your interface with an integrated Hypercard-like UI builder. On the iPad itself you will be able to edit the code for your Rodeo-built web app if you have edit permissions, which as the author of the app you would have. >>>> >>>> Rodeo is well suited for personal app development, education, consultants, and custom app developers whose clients don't want to pay $75,000+ or deal with Apple's app store as is the case with an Objective-C app for the iPad >>>> >>>> As the weeks tick by, we plan to add support for iPhone and other mobile platforms if there is a demand. We are seriously considering an option to help our customers roll their web apps into native iPad apps that can be submitted to the app store. This service will also be demand-driven. >>>> >>>> This is a simple product with attractive pricing made with the small developer and inventive user in mind. I hope this explanation helps you sort through your options. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 12:15:05 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:15:05 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <9F1523B8-B134-4DE1-BF6F-3EA8B4B10742@me.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <660B1103-C734-4B02-A55A-F28EFDAA7F98@numericable.com> <7483D17A-08B0-4806-8185-5481BC1B9203@numericable.com> <6F09BDFE-CFD0-49C9-9A8B-929F2B6D88C2@me.com> <3DBBCBE1-6DA8-4EA5-93EA-FCC208406F1C@numericable.com> <9F1523B8-B134-4DE1-BF6F-3EA8B4B10742@me.com> Message-ID: <11F77D4E-1B65-4D6B-A227-F46365617E13@numericable.com> After that, I'll have to use a quality which fortunately is acquired with age : patience ! Because I am looking forward from now !! I tested tRev since last weekend, but I saw nothing about "Kickstart program". This could help me pass the time while waiting "Rodeo". Can you tell me when is scheduled the first release of Rodeo? Thank you for helping us :-) Ren? Le 12 mai 2010 ? 18:01, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > Answer: Yes, Rodeo will support access to the iPad APIs that make playing music, etc. possible in a web app. We are constrained by what Apple will allow, but thus far it appears to be a wide-open playing field. > > That said, Rodeo is being developed and will be released in stages with incremental improvements much as tRev has. Not everything will be available from day one, but because of this, day one will come quickly. > > Our Kickstart program and sales of tRev are starting to create a development budget for us. The more of that we can do, the better. Also, we have been approached about contract work where we build Rodeo apps for others. > > Many thanks to the Kickstarters, tRev buyers and iPad clients. May they multiply! We may need to create some Rodeo developers quickly so they can help us with our contracting! From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 12:16:12 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:16:12 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <660B1103-C734-4B02-A55A-F28EFDAA7F98@numericable.com> Message-ID: <43F599D4-7693-42B4-8250-DDD23DD1CA12@numericable.com> "Ne b?tissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment" ? Nietzsche Le 12 mai 2010 ? 17:55, David C. a ?crit : > This is more of an editorial comment rather than adding anything much > of real value to the discussion, but here goes... > > RunRev offers some awesome products and this list community is just > about as good as it gets anywhere. With that said, I can add that > although I sincerely admire what you folks have planned for Rodeo, it > is highly unlikely that I'll ever become a customer or user. > >> You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution >> IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web >> apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. > > What it *does* require though, is the purchase or ownership of Apple > hardware (the iPad for sure and/or a Mac computer should the Windows > version not come about) and I have no intentions of ever "going there" > again. > > Apple's restrictive and unwarranted policies have cost them (and > Rodeo) at least one customer for the future. As much as I enjoy the > functionality, ownership of the iPhone even feels a bit "dirty" to me > now. An Android phone will most likely be in my future. > > I've become a customer to many of you here that offer Rev related > products... just purchased the conference dvd's, should have a > RevServer account by the end of the week and have plans to upgrade to > the Enterprise edition and/or add RevMobile sometime in the near > future. > > I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products > that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun > intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. > > A sad state of affairs, huh? > > Best regards, > David C. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mikekann at yahoo.com Wed May 12 12:20:57 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <491755.42163.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> David and Jerry, The customer could avoid having to buy any Mac hardware if they could design their app on the Rodeo website itself. The website could act as a development IDE and a simulator both. When you are done designing your app then anyone could download the app from the Rodeo website. This would be very good advertizing for Rodeo because people could see all the apps made with it. One question for Jerry: Why are you targeting the iPad and not the iPhone. I know you like to stay ahead of the curve, but it seems like there are a lot more potential customers for iPhone. Mike --- On Wed, 5/12/10, David C. wrote: > From: David C. > Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 10:55 AM > This is more of an editorial comment > rather than adding anything much > of real value to the discussion, but here goes... > > RunRev offers some awesome products and this list community > is just > about as good as it gets anywhere. With that said, I can > add that > although I sincerely admire what you folks have planned for > Rodeo, it > is highly unlikely that I'll ever become a customer or > user. > > > You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile > or even Revolution > > IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online > storage for you web > > apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. > > What it *does* require though, is the purchase or ownership > of Apple > hardware (the iPad for sure and/or a Mac computer should > the Windows > version not come about) and I have no intentions of ever > "going there" > again. > > Apple's restrictive and unwarranted policies have cost them > (and > Rodeo) at least one customer for the future. As much as I > enjoy the > functionality, ownership of the iPhone even feels a bit > "dirty" to me > now. An Android phone will most likely be in my future. > > I've become a customer to many of you here that offer Rev > related > products... just purchased the conference dvd's, should > have a > RevServer account by the end of the week and have plans to > upgrade to > the Enterprise edition and/or add RevMobile sometime in the > near > future. > > I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related > products > that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense > --no pun > intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the > future. > > A sad state of affairs, huh? > > Best regards, > David C. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jerry.daniels at me.com Wed May 12 12:22:02 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:22:02 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <660B1103-C734-4B02-A55A-F28EFDAA7F98@numericable.com> Message-ID: <4C28848B-3338-4EF1-A593-0B5DE4C70D5C@me.com> David, If you're totally opposed to using any Apple products, for whatever reasons, then, of course, you won't be using Rodeo for the iPad. As we address other devices (and if we do), give us another look! Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 10:55 AM, "David C." wrote: > This is more of an editorial comment rather than adding anything much > of real value to the discussion, but here goes... > > RunRev offers some awesome products and this list community is just > about as good as it gets anywhere. With that said, I can add that > although I sincerely admire what you folks have planned for Rodeo, it > is highly unlikely that I'll ever become a customer or user. > >> You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile or even Revolution >> IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online storage for you web >> apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. > > What it *does* require though, is the purchase or ownership of Apple > hardware (the iPad for sure and/or a Mac computer should the Windows > version not come about) and I have no intentions of ever "going there" > again. > > Apple's restrictive and unwarranted policies have cost them (and > Rodeo) at least one customer for the future. As much as I enjoy the > functionality, ownership of the iPhone even feels a bit "dirty" to me > now. An Android phone will most likely be in my future. > > I've become a customer to many of you here that offer Rev related > products... just purchased the conference dvd's, should have a > RevServer account by the end of the week and have plans to upgrade to > the Enterprise edition and/or add RevMobile sometime in the near > future. > > I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products > that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun > intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. > > A sad state of affairs, huh? > > Best regards, > David C. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Wed May 12 12:24:06 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:24:06 -0700 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <624286.91800.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <624286.91800.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41FF5469-62FF-4053-9E68-9CD93A61A238@yahoo.com> On May 12, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > As usual, Jim has provided us with a great explanation of how it all > fits together. My first question: Why don't you gather up all your > posts and put out a book? > > I just want to add one small addition. All the popular javascript > libraries, jQuery et. al., are popular because they have built-in > browser sniffing. Instead of heading to quirksmode.org directly, a > person could either use or deconstruct those libraries to find out > how to do it. > > Mike I, too, like the JQuery libraries, but the real catch is that development of apps usually requires that the programmer handle specific needs/inconsistencies much sooner than library updates (eg. JQuery) become available. Also, running large libraries when your app only needs a small subset can lead to headaches when conflicts arise. One example of headaches can be seen with WordPress themes and plugins that use PHP libraries written by a variety of authors. One factor when designing a project is to anticipate all the innovations that mobile/browser implementations will incorporate in the future. This will be a shifting landscape for many years to come. An example will be the Google Android updates. Another example is legacy browsers that do not interpret HTML5. As far as any book, highly unlikely. My specialty is internet marketing and my two client campaigns consume all of my available time, and will do for the next couple years. The On-Rev server, cgi, php, irev will be integral and essential components of my marketing operation. I am sure I will have multiple accounts and numerous libraries. Jim Ault Las Vegas From jerry.daniels at me.com Wed May 12 12:28:11 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:28:11 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <11F77D4E-1B65-4D6B-A227-F46365617E13@numericable.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <660B1103-C734-4B02-A55A-F28EFDAA7F98@numericable.com> <7483D17A-08B0-4806-8185-5481BC1B9203@numericable.com> <6F09BDFE-CFD0-49C9-9A8B-929F2B6D88C2@me.com> <3DBBCBE1-6DA8-4EA5-93EA-FCC208406F1C@numericable.com> <9F1523B8-B134-4DE1-BF6F-3EA8B4B10742@me.com> <11F77D4E-1B65-4D6B-A227-F46365617E13@numericable.com> Message-ID: <3D9F6FD1-2158-4673-979A-B3355382AB64@me.com> Rene, I will be doing another posting on Rodeo with answers to your questions. This will happen either Friday or early the next week. We will not be peppering the list here with this sort of thing, but I will give quick answers and direct discussion to the Rodeo site where it belongs. I don't want to wear out my welcome here. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > After that, I'll have to use a quality which fortunately is acquired with age : patience ! Because I am looking forward from now !! > I tested tRev since last weekend, but I saw nothing about "Kickstart program". > This could help me pass the time while waiting "Rodeo". > Can you tell me when is scheduled the first release of Rodeo? > Thank you for helping us :-) > Ren? > > > Le 12 mai 2010 ? 18:01, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > >> Answer: Yes, Rodeo will support access to the iPad APIs that make playing music, etc. possible in a web app. We are constrained by what Apple will allow, but thus far it appears to be a wide-open playing field. >> >> That said, Rodeo is being developed and will be released in stages with incremental improvements much as tRev has. Not everything will be available from day one, but because of this, day one will come quickly. >> >> Our Kickstart program and sales of tRev are starting to create a development budget for us. The more of that we can do, the better. Also, we have been approached about contract work where we build Rodeo apps for others. >> >> Many thanks to the Kickstarters, tRev buyers and iPad clients. May they multiply! We may need to create some Rodeo developers quickly so they can help us with our contracting! > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From tkuypers at telenet.be Wed May 12 12:28:43 2010 From: tkuypers at telenet.be (tkuypers at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:28:43 +0200 Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( Message-ID: <2FA09ED3-EE4B-4CCE-A760-A08E34C2599B@telenet.be> I'm probably the last one in the Revolution community, owning an Enterprise license, but only today started exploring the "Build for Web" feature... And after a day of testing and struggling I'm stuck :-( I think I'm missing a few things, so maybe someone can help me out. On my webserver I've created a folder structure, containing a bunch of folders, each containing subfolders and in the last subfolder a bunch of jpg files. A local application creates these jpg files, the correct folders and an XML file describing everything. I've created a stack that reads in the xml file, to fill the first field, called "Categories". Clicking on a category in this field will read the XML again and find the subcategories, which are basically the jpg files in the folder. Doing this locally, it works fine, but from within the Revlet the first field doesn't even get filled, so it doesn't read the XML file... What am I doing wrong? I don't want to use PHP, .NET or any other coding, because this project is very suited to be handled completely inside Revolution, but then at least I need to be able to load data from the server... Is it the XML library that doesn't work in Revlets? I'm using version RR 4.5.0-dp3 and am getting quite frustrated :-( A "Do's and Don'ts when creating Revlets" or an updated manual would be nice, but because of the lack of this I have to fall back on you guys... Hope someone can help me. Met vriendelijke groeten, Warm Regards, Publishingtools 4 U Ton Kuypers +32 (0) 477 739 530 Aardbemden 11 ? B-2400 ? Mol ? Belgium www.publishingtools4u.com From jerry.daniels at me.com Wed May 12 12:30:17 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:30:17 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <491755.42163.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <491755.42163.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Michael, We are targeting the iPad first because of it's at the beginning of a steep growth curve and because it has a large enough screen to house an IDE! Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Michael Kann wrote: > David and Jerry, > > The customer could avoid having to buy any Mac hardware if they could design their app on the Rodeo website itself. The website could act as a development IDE and a simulator both. When you are done designing your app then anyone could download the app from the Rodeo website. This would be very good advertizing for Rodeo because people could see all the apps made with it. > > One question for Jerry: > > Why are you targeting the iPad and not the iPhone. I know you like to stay ahead of the curve, but it seems like there are a lot more potential customers for iPhone. > > Mike > > > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, David C. wrote: > >> From: David C. >> Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 10:55 AM >> This is more of an editorial comment >> rather than adding anything much >> of real value to the discussion, but here goes... >> >> RunRev offers some awesome products and this list community >> is just >> about as good as it gets anywhere. With that said, I can >> add that >> although I sincerely admire what you folks have planned for >> Rodeo, it >> is highly unlikely that I'll ever become a customer or >> user. >> >>> You don't need revServer, On-Rev, revPlugin, revMobile >> or even Revolution >>> IDE to use Rodeo. You don't even need to get online >> storage for you web >>> apps as that's included in Rodeo's small monthly fee. >> >> What it *does* require though, is the purchase or ownership >> of Apple >> hardware (the iPad for sure and/or a Mac computer should >> the Windows >> version not come about) and I have no intentions of ever >> "going there" >> again. >> >> Apple's restrictive and unwarranted policies have cost them >> (and >> Rodeo) at least one customer for the future. As much as I >> enjoy the >> functionality, ownership of the iPhone even feels a bit >> "dirty" to me >> now. An Android phone will most likely be in my future. >> >> I've become a customer to many of you here that offer Rev >> related >> products... just purchased the conference dvd's, should >> have a >> RevServer account by the end of the week and have plans to >> upgrade to >> the Enterprise edition and/or add RevMobile sometime in the >> near >> future. >> >> I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related >> products >> that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense >> --no pun >> intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the >> future. >> >> A sad state of affairs, huh? >> >> Best regards, >> David C. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage >> your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 12:32:51 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:32:51 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <3D9F6FD1-2158-4673-979A-B3355382AB64@me.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <8116B92B-A9C5-4284-BAE8-E8259AA27FA0@dvcreators.net> <660B1103-C734-4B02-A55A-F28EFDAA7F98@numericable.com> <7483D17A-08B0-4806-8185-5481BC1B9203@numericable.com> <6F09BDFE-CFD0-49C9-9A8B-929F2B6D88C2@me.com> <3DBBCBE1-6DA8-4EA5-93EA-FCC208406F1C@numericable.com> <9F1523B8-B134-4DE1-BF6F-3EA8B4B10742@me.com> <11F77D4E-1B65-4D6B-A227-F46365617E13@numericable.com> <3D9F6FD1-2158-4673-979A-B3355382AB64@me.com> Message-ID: <2D89E0C9-3A09-4911-9B83-4865579E4635@numericable.com> Yes I understand... Le 12 mai 2010 ? 18:28, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > Rene, > > I will be doing another posting on Rodeo with answers to your questions. This will happen either Friday or early the next week. > > We will not be peppering the list here with this sort of thing, but I will give quick answers and direct discussion to the Rodeo site where it belongs. > > I don't want to wear out my welcome here. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: > http://rodeoapps.com > > On May 12, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> After that, I'll have to use a quality which fortunately is acquired with age : patience ! Because I am looking forward from now !! >> I tested tRev since last weekend, but I saw nothing about "Kickstart program". >> This could help me pass the time while waiting "Rodeo". >> Can you tell me when is scheduled the first release of Rodeo? >> Thank you for helping us :-) >> Ren? >> >> >> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 18:01, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : >> >>> Answer: Yes, Rodeo will support access to the iPad APIs that make playing music, etc. possible in a web app. We are constrained by what Apple will allow, but thus far it appears to be a wide-open playing field. >>> >>> That said, Rodeo is being developed and will be released in stages with incremental improvements much as tRev has. Not everything will be available from day one, but because of this, day one will come quickly. >>> >>> Our Kickstart program and sales of tRev are starting to create a development budget for us. The more of that we can do, the better. Also, we have been approached about contract work where we build Rodeo apps for others. >>> >>> Many thanks to the Kickstarters, tRev buyers and iPad clients. May they multiply! We may need to create some Rodeo developers quickly so they can help us with our contracting! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 12:35:08 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:35:08 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <491755.42163.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17A83D62-CAD4-4CE4-AC6B-CFBFB5A60DAE@numericable.com> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 18:30, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > We are targeting the iPad first because of it's at the beginning of a steep growth curve and because it has a large enough screen to house an IDE! If I have well understand (stood ?) Rodeo allows programming FOR iPad but also ON iPad !? From jerry.daniels at me.com Wed May 12 12:38:48 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:38:48 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <17A83D62-CAD4-4CE4-AC6B-CFBFB5A60DAE@numericable.com> References: <491755.42163.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <17A83D62-CAD4-4CE4-AC6B-CFBFB5A60DAE@numericable.com> Message-ID: Oui! Yes, that's a big part of Rodeo's appeal: iPad coding on a Mac or on the iPad. The UI builder for iPad will come along after the Mac IDE, but you'll be able to edit your code on the iPad right away. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > > Le 12 mai 2010 ? 18:30, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > >> We are targeting the iPad first because of it's at the beginning of a steep growth curve and because it has a large enough screen to house an IDE! > > If I have well understand (stood ?) Rodeo allows programming FOR iPad but also ON iPad !?_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 12:41:27 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:41:27 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <491755.42163.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <17A83D62-CAD4-4CE4-AC6B-CFBFB5A60DAE@numericable.com> Message-ID: <11D2E166-27C3-4765-942E-25F18F7B9760@numericable.com> C'est formidable !!! I want it !!! Le 12 mai 2010 ? 18:38, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > Yes, that's a big part of Rodeo's appeal: iPad coding on a Mac or on the iPad. The UI builder for iPad will come along after the Mac IDE, but you'll be able to edit your code on the iPad right away. From bobs at twft.com Wed May 12 12:44:52 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:44:52 -0700 Subject: Where is going Apple ? In-Reply-To: <20100511221951.OYHN24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20100511221951.OYHN24896.schemailmta01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: On May 11, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Randall Reetz wrote: > Its amazing how typical it is to react to rejection this way... The girl everyone wants says "no" and all of a sudden she is called "ugly, fat and stupid". Yogi Berra (spelling?) quote: "Nobody eats there anymore, its too crowded". I don't agree with a lot of apple's decisions, but the real travesty is that no other companies seem to be able to offer any products even remotely as compelling. I don't see abstinence as a choice. People go on hunger strikes as a reaction to the lack of choice. How long ago did hypercard come out? Thirty five years ago? And nothing of merit since? What kind of user-empowering tech would it take to do for people now what hypercard did for people then? > > Randall From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed May 12 12:46:26 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:46:26 -0700 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement Message-ID: <4BEADB62.1050808@fourthworld.com> Ren? Micout wrote: > Le 12 mai 2010 ? 17:55, David C. a ?crit : > >> I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products >> that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun >> intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. > > "Ne b?tissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment" ? Nietzsche Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions for the future based on previous experience. Like Mark Twain said: "Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment." :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From bobs at twft.com Wed May 12 12:50:12 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:50:12 -0700 Subject: [OT] Licensing question In-Reply-To: <4BEA953E.7080908@gmail.com> References: <4BEA953E.7080908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA637C3-37B3-4C29-A142-059B408D7147@twft.com> If he got a true "upgrade" to Windows 7 then using the old Vista license on another machine is definitely a breach of the agreement. If however, it is a full install for Windows 7, then although Microsoft might whimper and moan something about licensing for the CPU, I think it's perfectly fine to use Vista on your machine. After all, the important thing is that Microsoft gets their money, and they certainly have. Bob On May 12, 2010, at 4:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > A friend of mine has just gone and bought a Windows 7 install > disk and is busy installing it on his expensive, bells-n-whistles > PC. He wants to give me his Vista install disk so that I can bung it on > a P4 for testing. As he is upgrading to Win 7 he doesn't feel that > this is a "wicking" thing to do. > > Any bright ideas about the legality of his idea? From bobs at twft.com Wed May 12 12:53:13 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:53:13 -0700 Subject: Zombie Win icon In-Reply-To: References: <20100512132239.649CD288188@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <90482F56-B1AB-4983-8C70-3A6EBA55458B@twft.com> I suspect there is a hidden or even a system file. Did you try showing hidden and system files to see what is in those directories? Bob On May 12, 2010, at 8:58 AM, David Glasgow wrote: > > On 12 May 2010, at 2:22 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> I'm sorry, David, I don't know the answers to your questions; >>> 1/ What is the silver bullet needed to kill off my horrible first icon? (I know, silver bullet is vampires...) >>> >>> 2/ Why does my IcoFX icon only appear at small sizes when all sizes are built into the icon? >>> >> > > Hmm... The horrible old icon only appears in folders in which I have previously saved the standalone with the old icon. New folder = correct icon. Maybe icons & their associations get saved in thumbs.db and aren't smart enough to update? However, I can't work out how to show the thumbs.db file on Vista.... :-/ any suggestions? > > > I also found that IcoFX can change the icon associated with a .exe file. Setting the icon this way seems to make it behave a bit better that via the Rev build standalone options. > > > Not quite ready to fork out $50 yet.....surely there must be Windows folks out there who understand this stuff? > > David Glasgow > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From martyknapp at comcast.net Wed May 12 12:53:29 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:53:29 -0700 Subject: Weird stack name In-Reply-To: <646600.41025.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <646600.41025.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BEADD09.7030100@comcast.net> Thanks Michael - for now I just implemented a routine to check for these errant stacks and delete them when the app quits. Kinda lame, but until I can figure this out it will have to do. Marty > Marty, > > As for the specific problem, I think we're stumped. > > > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Marty Knapp wrote: > > >> From: Marty Knapp >> Subject: Re: Weird stack name >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 10:54 AM >> I lost all emails from the list from >> about 4 o'clock yesterday (Pacific Daylight Time in the >> U.S.) so if anyone responded to this issue, could you please >> resend to me? Sorry for the bother. >> >> Marty Knapp >> >> >> >>> Michael Kann wrote: >>> >>>> Marty, >>>> >>>> I would take a look at all the readable strings in >>>> >> your standalone binary. >> >>>> Find the Macintosh version of this type of Windows >>>> >> program: >> >>>> http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/Programming/textscan/Freeware.htm >>>> >>>> The string must be in there somewhere. >>>> >>> I was thinking the same. Marty, you can just open the >>> >> stack in BBEdit or any text editor. If that string isn't >> there, do you have any printing handlers? Seems like the >> name is related to that. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage >> your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From mikekann at yahoo.com Wed May 12 12:54:36 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( In-Reply-To: <2FA09ED3-EE4B-4CCE-A760-A08E34C2599B@telenet.be> Message-ID: <524934.5138.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ton, At first glance I would think it is some path to a file that isn't working correctly when you are put your revlet on the remote server. Mike --- On Wed, 5/12/10, tkuypers at telenet.be wrote: > From: tkuypers at telenet.be > Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( > To: "Revolution (use-revolution)" > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:28 AM > I'm probably the last one in the > Revolution community, owning an Enterprise license, but only > today started exploring the "Build for Web" feature... And > after a day of testing and struggling I'm stuck :-( > > I think I'm missing a few things, so maybe someone can help > me out. > > On my webserver I've created a folder structure, containing > a bunch of folders, each containing subfolders and in the > last subfolder a bunch of jpg files. > A local application creates these jpg files, the correct > folders and an XML file describing everything. > > I've created a stack that reads in the xml file, to fill > the first field, called "Categories". > Clicking on a category in this field will read the XML > again and find the subcategories, which are basically the > jpg files in the folder. > > Doing this locally, it works fine, but from within the > Revlet the first field doesn't even get filled, so it > doesn't read the XML file... > > What am I doing wrong? I don't want to use PHP, .NET or any > other coding, because this project is very suited to be > handled completely inside Revolution, but then at least I > need to be able to load data from the server... > > Is it the XML library that doesn't work in Revlets? > > I'm using version RR 4.5.0-dp3 and am getting quite > frustrated :-( > A "Do's and Don'ts when creating Revlets" or an updated > manual would be nice, but because of the lack of this I have > to fall back on you guys... > > Hope someone can help me. > > > Met vriendelijke groeten, > Warm Regards, > > Publishingtools 4 U > > Ton Kuypers > +32 (0) 477 739 530 > > Aardbemden 11 ? B-2400 ? Mol ? Belgium > www.publishingtools4u.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 12:58:44 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:58:44 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <4BEADB62.1050808@fourthworld.com> References: <4BEADB62.1050808@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Than you Richard :-) but it is not my impress. It is not matter after all :-) I'm trying to read and translate into good French your article "Beyond the browser ". Does it have any interest to have a French version of this article ?. If you want I can send ( when it is completed) a PDF to you ... Le 12 mai 2010 ? 18:46, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > Ren? Micout wrote: > > > Le 12 mai 2010 ? 17:55, David C. a ?crit : > > > >> I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products > >> that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun > >> intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. > > >> "Ne b?tissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment" ? Nietzsche > > Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions for the future based on previous experience. > > Like Mark Twain said: > > "Good judgment comes from experience. > Experience comes from bad judgment." > > :) > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mikekann at yahoo.com Wed May 12 13:02:28 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <313484.81670.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Rene, Seriously, perhaps you should cut a deal with Jerry. Translate his Rodeo material into French for him. Mike --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Ren? Micout wrote: > From: Ren? Micout > Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:58 AM > Than you Richard :-) but it is not my > impress. It is not matter after all :-) > I'm trying to read and translate into good French your > article "Beyond the browser ". Does it have any interest to > have a French version of this article ?. If you want I can > send ( when it is completed) a PDF to you ... > > Le 12 mai 2010 ? 18:46, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > > > Ren? Micout wrote: > > > > > Le 12 mai 2010 ? 17:55, David C. a ?crit : > > > > > >> I try to be supportive to all of you offering > Rev related products > > >> that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not > at the expense --no pun > > >> intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple > hardware in the future. > > > > >> "Ne b?tissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment" > ? Nietzsche > > > > Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making > business decisions for the future based on previous > experience. > > > > Like Mark Twain said: > > > > "Good judgment comes from experience. > > Experience comes from bad judgment." > > > > :) > > > > -- > > Richard Gaskin > > Fourth World > > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From tkuypers at telenet.be Wed May 12 13:10:21 2010 From: tkuypers at telenet.be (tkuypers at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 19:10:21 +0200 Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( In-Reply-To: <524934.5138.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <524934.5138.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36075E5E-18EC-4CA4-9EC4-A6284AD7555F@telenet.be> Hi Mike, It is the full path to the XML file, so http://someFolder/someSubfolder/Templates.xml... When I put that into a field, copy it and paste it into the browser, it works ok... Met vriendelijke groeten, Ton Kuypers On 12-mei-2010, at 18:54, Michael Kann wrote: > Ton, > > At first glance I would think it is some path to a file that isn't working correctly when you are put your revlet on the remote server. > > Mike > > > > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, tkuypers at telenet.be wrote: > >> From: tkuypers at telenet.be >> Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( >> To: "Revolution (use-revolution)" >> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:28 AM >> I'm probably the last one in the >> Revolution community, owning an Enterprise license, but only >> today started exploring the "Build for Web" feature... And >> after a day of testing and struggling I'm stuck :-( >> >> I think I'm missing a few things, so maybe someone can help >> me out. >> >> On my webserver I've created a folder structure, containing >> a bunch of folders, each containing subfolders and in the >> last subfolder a bunch of jpg files. >> A local application creates these jpg files, the correct >> folders and an XML file describing everything. >> >> I've created a stack that reads in the xml file, to fill >> the first field, called "Categories". >> Clicking on a category in this field will read the XML >> again and find the subcategories, which are basically the >> jpg files in the folder. >> >> Doing this locally, it works fine, but from within the >> Revlet the first field doesn't even get filled, so it >> doesn't read the XML file... >> >> What am I doing wrong? I don't want to use PHP, .NET or any >> other coding, because this project is very suited to be >> handled completely inside Revolution, but then at least I >> need to be able to load data from the server... >> >> Is it the XML library that doesn't work in Revlets? >> >> I'm using version RR 4.5.0-dp3 and am getting quite >> frustrated :-( >> A "Do's and Don'ts when creating Revlets" or an updated >> manual would be nice, but because of the lack of this I have >> to fall back on you guys... >> >> Hope someone can help me. >> >> >> Met vriendelijke groeten, >> Warm Regards, >> >> Publishingtools 4 U >> >> Ton Kuypers >> +32 (0) 477 739 530 >> >> Aardbemden 11 ? B-2400 ? Mol ? Belgium >> www.publishingtools4u.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage >> your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 13:10:51 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 19:10:51 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <313484.81670.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <313484.81670.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Great idea Mike ! As I can have "Rodeo" in preview... ;-) Bon souvenir de Paris Ren? Le 12 mai 2010 ? 19:02, Michael Kann a ?crit : > Rene, > > Seriously, perhaps you should cut a deal with Jerry. Translate his Rodeo material into French for him. > > Mike From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed May 12 13:29:32 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:29:32 -0700 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement Message-ID: <4BEAE57C.3040800@fourthworld.com> Ren? Micout wrote: > I'm trying to read and translate into good French your article > "Beyond the browser ". Does it have any interest to have a > French version of this article ?. If you want I can send > ( when it is completed) a PDF to you ... That's a very generous offer. Yes! I would be very glad to post that PDF - many of our site visitors would appreciate it, and it might help me with my very slow learning of French as well. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Wed May 12 13:37:44 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:37:44 -0700 Subject: [OT] Translate Rodeo material into French In-Reply-To: References: <313484.81670.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47771A69-523B-4D30-A732-C14D71AC8BB2@yahoo.com> When translating to French, just remember that in America there is a vast difference between Rodeo and Rodeo Drive The latter is not typical of Jerry's neighborhood :-) (or mine) On May 12, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Great idea Mike ! > As I can have "Rodeo" in preview... > ;-) > Bon souvenir de Paris > Ren? > > Le 12 mai 2010 ? 19:02, Michael Kann a ?crit : > >> Rene, >> >> Seriously, perhaps you should cut a deal with Jerry. Translate his >> Rodeo material into French for him. >> >> Mike Jim Ault Las Vegas From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 13:41:34 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 19:41:34 +0200 Subject: [OT] Translate Rodeo material into French In-Reply-To: <47771A69-523B-4D30-A732-C14D71AC8BB2@yahoo.com> References: <313484.81670.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <47771A69-523B-4D30-A732-C14D71AC8BB2@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry but my english is too basic to understand... :-( Le 12 mai 2010 ? 19:37, Jim Ault a ?crit : > When translating to French, just remember that in America there is a vast difference between > > Rodeo > and Rodeo Drive > > The latter is not typical of Jerry's neighborhood :-) > (or mine) From jerry.daniels at me.com Wed May 12 13:44:35 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:44:35 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <313484.81670.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <313484.81670.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: French translation? I was thinking I needed English subtitles so the people outside of Texas could understand me, too. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 12, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > Rene, > > Seriously, perhaps you should cut a deal with Jerry. Translate his Rodeo material into French for him. > > Mike > > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> From: Ren? Micout >> Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:58 AM >> Than you Richard :-) but it is not my >> impress. It is not matter after all :-) >> I'm trying to read and translate into good French your >> article "Beyond the browser ". Does it have any interest to >> have a French version of this article ?. If you want I can >> send ( when it is completed) a PDF to you ... >> >> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 18:46, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : >> >>> Ren? Micout wrote: >>> >>>> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 17:55, David C. a ?crit : >>>> >>>>> I try to be supportive to all of you offering >> Rev related products >>>>> that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not >> at the expense --no pun >>>>> intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple >> hardware in the future. >>>> >>>> "Ne b?tissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment" >> ? Nietzsche >>> >>> Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making >> business decisions for the future based on previous >> experience. >>> >>> Like Mark Twain said: >>> >>> "Good judgment comes from experience. >>> Experience comes from bad judgment." >>> >>> :) >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Gaskin >>> Fourth World >>> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >>> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com >>> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and >> manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage >> your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Wed May 12 13:50:12 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:50:12 -0300 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <313484.81670.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I can understand you quite well, now, about understanding me, I understand is quite a challenge! On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > French translation? I was thinking I needed English subtitles so the people > outside of Texas could understand me, too. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: > http://rodeoapps.com > > On May 12, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > > > Rene, > > > > Seriously, perhaps you should cut a deal with Jerry. Translate his Rodeo > material into French for him. > > > > Mike > > > > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Ren? Micout wrote: > > > >> From: Ren? Micout > >> Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement > >> To: "How to use Revolution" > >> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:58 AM > >> Than you Richard :-) but it is not my > >> impress. It is not matter after all :-) > >> I'm trying to read and translate into good French your > >> article "Beyond the browser ". Does it have any interest to > >> have a French version of this article ?. If you want I can > >> send ( when it is completed) a PDF to you ... > >> > >> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 18:46, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > >> > >>> Ren? Micout wrote: > >>> > >>>> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 17:55, David C. a ?crit : > >>>> > >>>>> I try to be supportive to all of you offering > >> Rev related products > >>>>> that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not > >> at the expense --no pun > >>>>> intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple > >> hardware in the future. > >>>> > >>>> "Ne b?tissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment" > >> ? Nietzsche > >>> > >>> Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making > >> business decisions for the future based on previous > >> experience. > >>> > >>> Like Mark Twain said: > >>> > >>> "Good judgment comes from experience. > >>> Experience comes from bad judgment." > >>> > >>> :) > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Richard Gaskin > >>> Fourth World > >>> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > >>> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > >>> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> use-revolution mailing list > >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > >> manage your subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > >> your subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 12 14:00:33 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:00:33 -0500 Subject: modal subStacks in revlet (revWeb plugin) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BEAECC1.9020304@hyperactivesw.com> Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: > On 05/12/2010 at 01:19 AM, "J. Landman Gay" > wrote: >> Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: >>> I can't seem to get a subStack which is stored in the mainStack to show >>> using the revWeb plugin. Is there something special I need to do? >> Secondary windows don't work in revlets yet. But you can go to the stack >> in the same window. > > I swear I remember this working in the very first version (maybe alpha). > How are they making ask/answer dialogs work? Those are substacks, right? I > may have to use a hidden group in the same stack, but that gets messy. I vaguely recall it too, early on, but secondary windows were soon disabled because of various incompatibilities. RR made a special exception for ask and answer windows because those are so widely used, but it's a hack and they still have some issues. As far as I know, secondary windows are still on the roadmap but there's a lot of work involved to implement them across all browsers and platforms. Another possible solution, depending on your stack setup, is to show both windows at the same time. These need to be loaded when the web page loads though; showing two stacks in the same window has to be set up as part of the javascript on the page. There's an example with code here: -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 12 14:06:24 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:06:24 -0500 Subject: Zombie Win icon In-Reply-To: References: <20100512132239.649CD288188@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4BEAEE20.4090308@hyperactivesw.com> David Glasgow wrote: > Hmm... The horrible old icon only appears in folders in which I have > previously saved the standalone with the old icon. New folder = > correct icon. Maybe icons & their associations get saved in > thumbs.db and aren't smart enough to update? However, I can't work > out how to show the thumbs.db file on Vista.... :-/ any suggestions? I don't know the exact answer, but I've never encountered the problem because I always save standalones into a new folder, and I never replace older ones in a folder with newer builds. I just toss the entire old folder and use the new one. So maybe that's the quick solution. Alternately, if the thumbs.db file is the culprit, you could try just deleting that. That should force the OS to read the embedded icons in the app instead. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bobs at twft.com Wed May 12 14:09:57 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:09:57 -0700 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <313484.81670.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What?? ;-) Bob On May 12, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > I can understand you quite well, now, about understanding me, I understand > is quite a challenge! > > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > >> French translation? I was thinking I needed English subtitles so the people >> outside of Texas could understand me, too. >> >> Best, >> >> Jerry Daniels From andre at andregarzia.com Wed May 12 14:15:41 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:15:41 -0300 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <313484.81670.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I can understand you quite well, now, about understanding me, I understand is quite a challenge! On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > French translation? I was thinking I needed English subtitles so the people > outside of Texas could understand me, too. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: > http://rodeoapps.com > > On May 12, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > > > Rene, > > > > Seriously, perhaps you should cut a deal with Jerry. Translate his Rodeo > material into French for him. > > > > Mike > > > > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Ren? Micout wrote: > > > >> From: Ren? Micout > >> Subject: Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement > >> To: "How to use Revolution" > >> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:58 AM > >> Than you Richard :-) but it is not my > >> impress. It is not matter after all :-) > >> I'm trying to read and translate into good French your > >> article "Beyond the browser ". Does it have any interest to > >> have a French version of this article ?. If you want I can > >> send ( when it is completed) a PDF to you ... > >> > >> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 18:46, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > >> > >>> Ren? Micout wrote: > >>> > >>>> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 17:55, David C. a ?crit : > >>>> > >>>>> I try to be supportive to all of you offering > >> Rev related products > >>>>> that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not > >> at the expense --no pun > >>>>> intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple > >> hardware in the future. > >>>> > >>>> "Ne b?tissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment" > >> ? Nietzsche > >>> > >>> Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making > >> business decisions for the future based on previous > >> experience. > >>> > >>> Like Mark Twain said: > >>> > >>> "Good judgment comes from experience. > >>> Experience comes from bad judgment." > >>> > >>> :) > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Richard Gaskin > >>> Fourth World > >>> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > >>> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > >>> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> use-revolution mailing list > >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > >> manage your subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > >> your subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From effendi at wanadoo.fr Wed May 12 15:45:09 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:45:09 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement Message-ID: <659FA68B-9F02-4529-812C-0F2C34355889@wanadoo.fr> Hi from Beautiful Brittanny, Richard Gaskin wrote : >> Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions >> for >> the future based on previous experience. > wrote Sorry Richard, > Ren? Micout wrote: > >> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 17:55, David C. a ?crit : >> >>> I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products >>> that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun >>> intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. >> >> "Ne b?tissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment" ? Nietzsche > "Ressentiment" in French means "feeling" or "understanding" or "comprehension" Best Regards -Francis "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !" From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 12 15:56:31 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 22:56:31 +0300 Subject: Unicode and Windows Vista: Not Good At All In-Reply-To: <4BDEB8BF.2010204@gmail.com> References: <4BDEB8BF.2010204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BEB07EF.80702@gmail.com> > > > Having at last got my act together running Windows Vista [Installed Vista Home Premium (unregistered) on a Pentium 4, 1.7 GHz, 512 MB RAM; running Windows standalone smoothly; will delete tomorrow] I have the unfortunate information that previous feedback about the behaviour of Unicode fonts in RunRev standalones running on Windows Vista is distinctly wonky; as per my previous posting: > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > I previously wrote: > ----------------------------------------------------- > > Recently I had a slightly worrying post from a chap > attempting to use my Devawriter on a computer > running Windows Vista. > > The problem is that when Devawriter calls a Unicode > character that is not meant to move the cursor/insert place > forward, merely print something either above or beneath > the preceding character it does not; while printing the > character it also moves the insert forward so that > everything comes out incorrectly. > Installed RunRev Studio 4.0 on Vista (all remarkably smooth and unproblematic); runs the original stack a wee but slower than the standalone (no surprises there): Exactly the same problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------------------ Tinkering around with the RunRev code will not affect this problem at all; therefore there is something going on with the way Vista handles Unicode fonts that "upsets" RunRev, or the other way round. This is hugely problematic . . . :( ------------------------------------------ Mind you; having had exactly half an hour of the "Vista experience" I am extremely glad I will (probably, hopefully) have to have very little to do with it again. By contrast XP looks really rather positive to the Windows-hater in me. From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 16:10:03 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 22:10:03 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <659FA68B-9F02-4529-812C-0F2C34355889@wanadoo.fr> References: <659FA68B-9F02-4529-812C-0F2C34355889@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <05B3619B-DA95-4860-94D4-5747C59E1DD7@numericable.com> Sorry Francis but I think that is the word "resentment" I wanted to express. The real word is "ressentiment", a french word for a Nietzsche's philosophical concept. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment Bonne nuit Ren? Le 12 mai 2010 ? 21:45, Francis Nugent Dixon a ?crit : > Hi from Beautiful Brittanny, > > Richard Gaskin wrote : > >>> Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions for >>> the future based on previous experience. >> > wrote Sorry Richard, > >> Ren? Micout wrote: >> >>> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 17:55, David C. a ?crit : >>> >>>> I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products >>>> that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun >>>> intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. >>> >>> "Ne b?tissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment" ? Nietzsche >> > > "Ressentiment" in French means "feeling" or "understanding" or "comprehension" > > Best Regards > > -Francis > > "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !" > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Wed May 12 16:16:09 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 17:16:09 -0300 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <05B3619B-DA95-4860-94D4-5747C59E1DD7@numericable.com> References: <659FA68B-9F02-4529-812C-0F2C34355889@wanadoo.fr> <05B3619B-DA95-4860-94D4-5747C59E1DD7@numericable.com> Message-ID: Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had classes about him at the university... On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Sorry Francis but I think that is the word "resentment" I wanted to > express. > The real word is "ressentiment", a french word for a Nietzsche's > philosophical concept. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment > Bonne nuit > Ren? > > Le 12 mai 2010 ? 21:45, Francis Nugent Dixon a ?crit : > > > Hi from Beautiful Brittanny, > > > > Richard Gaskin wrote : > > > >>> Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions for > >>> the future based on previous experience. > >> > > wrote Sorry Richard, > > > >> Ren? Micout wrote: > >> > >>> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 17:55, David C. a ?crit : > >>> > >>>> I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products > >>>> that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun > >>>> intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. > >>> > >>> "Ne b?tissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment" ? Nietzsche > >> > > > > "Ressentiment" in French means "feeling" or "understanding" or > "comprehension" > > > > Best Regards > > > > -Francis > > > > "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From bobs at twft.com Wed May 12 16:30:48 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:30:48 -0700 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <659FA68B-9F02-4529-812C-0F2C34355889@wanadoo.fr> <05B3619B-DA95-4860-94D4-5747C59E1DD7@numericable.com> Message-ID: Does it still hurt? Bob On May 12, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had > classes about him at the university... From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 16:31:26 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 22:31:26 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <659FA68B-9F02-4529-812C-0F2C34355889@wanadoo.fr> <05B3619B-DA95-4860-94D4-5747C59E1DD7@numericable.com> Message-ID: <96468D1E-B0AB-435E-BBA1-72DB370A7A73@numericable.com> A philosopher very difficult to access that requires a gradual initiation. I have read many books on Nietzsche before reading his books ... (Patrick Wotling, Gilles Deleuze, Michel Onfray, etc.) Le 12 mai 2010 ? 22:16, Andre Garzia a ?crit : > Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had > classes about him at the university... > > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> Sorry Francis but I think that is the word "resentment" I wanted to >> express. >> The real word is "ressentiment", a french word for a Nietzsche's >> philosophical concept. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment >> Bonne nuit >> Ren? >> >> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 21:45, Francis Nugent Dixon a ?crit : >> >>> Hi from Beautiful Brittanny, >>> >>> Richard Gaskin wrote : >>> >>>>> Doesn't sound like resentment to me, just making business decisions for >>>>> the future based on previous experience. >>>> >>> wrote Sorry Richard, >>> >>>> Ren? Micout wrote: >>>> >>>>> Le 12 mai 2010 ? 17:55, David C. a ?crit : >>>>> >>>>>> I try to be supportive to all of you offering Rev related products >>>>>> that I need or can use (like Rodeo), but not at the expense --no pun >>>>>> intended-- of owning or purchasing Apple hardware in the future. >>>>> >>>>> "Ne b?tissons pas l'avenir sur le ressentiment" ? Nietzsche >>>> >>> >>> "Ressentiment" in French means "feeling" or "understanding" or >> "comprehension" >>> >>> Best Regards >>> >>> -Francis >>> >>> "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 12 16:35:20 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 23:35:20 +0300 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT] In-Reply-To: References: <659FA68B-9F02-4529-812C-0F2C34355889@wanadoo.fr> <05B3619B-DA95-4860-94D4-5747C59E1DD7@numericable.com> Message-ID: <4BEB1108.7030508@gmail.com> MOT: Ministry of Transport / Miles of Topic / Mad, 'Orrible & Twisted; your choice. On 12/05/2010 23:16, Andre Garzia wrote: > Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had > classes about him at the university... > My son had a Nietzsche "patch" about a year ago, and all our meals were spoilt by all sorts of pronouncements about how people who didn't contribute to society should be shot, and more awful stuff. Luckily my son is 17 and has now recovered from his "Nietzchean aberration" and is now taking out his adolescent frustrations on the piano and his parents . . . :( Perhaps I should also point out that the inventor of Nazism (who was English, oddly enough), Houston Chamberlain (married Wagner's daughter), drew on a lot of Nietzsche's stuff for . . . well we all know where that went: millions and millions of people being gassed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Chamberlain So, frankly, I don't think I want to understand Nietzsche. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now; as a holder of a degree in Philosophy, if you really want to read some philosophy that doesn't lead one down the garden path to racism, fascism and so forth why not try a spot of Wittgenstein: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wittgenstein I have been trying spots of Wittgenstein for years, and after about 25, feel I am just beginning to understand what he really wanted to say (and I am probably quite wrong). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh; before I forget: 1. Unicode fonts don't work properly with RunRev and Windows Vista. 2. Fonts and RunRev are enormously problematic with Linux. 3. Nietzsche never played football for Arbroath. From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 16:53:05 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 22:53:05 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT] In-Reply-To: <4BEB1108.7030508@gmail.com> References: <659FA68B-9F02-4529-812C-0F2C34355889@wanadoo.fr> <05B3619B-DA95-4860-94D4-5747C59E1DD7@numericable.com> <4BEB1108.7030508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <392D4C6A-C8FF-4205-B9BE-C679BA5B896D@numericable.com> This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from "La volont? de puissance" book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... As for Wittgenstein, I recommend "L'ab?c?daire de Gilles Deleuze" which defines his thought as "the degree zero of the philosophy" ... D?saccord total... but ;-) Bonne nuit Ren? Le 12 mai 2010 ? 22:35, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > MOT: Ministry of Transport / Miles of Topic / Mad, 'Orrible & Twisted; your choice. > > On 12/05/2010 23:16, Andre Garzia wrote: >> Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had >> classes about him at the university... >> > > My son had a Nietzsche "patch" about a year ago, and all our meals were spoilt > by all sorts of pronouncements about how people who didn't contribute to > society should be shot, and more awful stuff. Luckily my son is 17 and has now > recovered from his "Nietzchean aberration" and is now taking out his adolescent > frustrations on the piano and his parents . . . :( > > Perhaps I should also point out that the inventor of Nazism (who was English, oddly > enough), Houston Chamberlain (married Wagner's daughter), drew on a lot of Nietzsche's > stuff for . . . well we all know where that went: millions and millions of people being gassed: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Chamberlain > > So, frankly, I don't think I want to understand Nietzsche. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Now; as a holder of a degree in Philosophy, if you really want to read some philosophy > that doesn't lead one down the garden path to racism, fascism and so forth why not > try a spot of Wittgenstein: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wittgenstein > > I have been trying spots of Wittgenstein for years, and after about 25, feel I am just > beginning to understand what he really wanted to say (and I am probably quite > wrong). > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Oh; before I forget: > > 1. Unicode fonts don't work properly with RunRev and Windows Vista. > > 2. Fonts and RunRev are enormously problematic with Linux. > > 3. Nietzsche never played football for Arbroath. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed May 12 16:57:04 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:57:04 -0700 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT] Message-ID: <4BEB1620.3060902@fourthworld.com> Ren? Micout wrote: > This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. > All these stupid things taken from "La volont? de puissance" > book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who > was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly > disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this > philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) > that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism > very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher > (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the > depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues > pertinent to the 21st century ... I don't mind an OT post when I learn something. :) Thanks, Ren?. Good info. Sheds good light on the man, and helps explain why my own somewhat limited readings of Nietzsche's works didn't strike me the same way others describe him. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed May 12 17:08:58 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 07:08:58 +1000 Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( In-Reply-To: <524934.5138.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <2FA09ED3-EE4B-4CCE-A760-A08E34C2599B@telenet.be> <524934.5138.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I missed your original query Mike but I think Ton is right and it is a file path issue. I haven't done a lot with rev lets, but I think they require a I'll file path. E.g. set the filename of img 1 to "http://mywebsite/folder/image.png" Cheers, Sarah On Thursday, May 13, 2010, Michael Kann wrote: > Ton, > > At first glance I would think it is some path to a file that isn't working correctly when you are put your revlet on the remote server. > > Mike > > > > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, tkuypers at telenet.be wrote: > >> From: tkuypers at telenet.be >> Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( >> To: "Revolution (use-revolution)" >> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:28 AM >> I'm probably the last one in the >> Revolution community, owning an Enterprise license, but only >> today started exploring the "Build for Web" feature... And >> after a day of testing and struggling I'm stuck :-( >> >> I think I'm missing a few things, so maybe someone can help >> me out. >> >> On my webserver I've created a folder structure, containing >> a bunch of folders, each containing subfolders and in the >> last subfolder a bunch of jpg files. >> A local application creates these jpg files, the correct >> folders and an XML file describing everything. >> >> I've created a stack that reads in the xml file, to fill >> the first field, called "Categories". >> Clicking on a category in this field will read the XML >> again and find the subcategories, which are basically the >> jpg files in the folder. >> >> Doing this locally, it works fine, but from within the >> Revlet the first field doesn't even get filled, so it >> doesn't read the XML file... >> >> What am I doing wrong? I don't want to use PHP, .NET or any >> other coding, because this project is very suited to be >> handled completely inside Revolution, but then at least I >> need to be able to load data from the server... >> >> Is it the XML library that doesn't work in Revlets? >> >> I'm using version RR 4.5.0-dp3 and am getting quite >> frustrated :-( >> A "Do's and Don'ts when creating Revlets" or an updated >> manual would be nice, but because of the lack of this I have >> to fall back on you guys... >> >> Hope someone can help me. >> >> >> Met vriendelijke groeten, >> Warm Regards, >> >> Publishingtools 4 U >> >> Ton Kuypers >> +32 (0) 477 739 530 >> >> Aardbemden 11 ? B-2400 ? Mol ? Belgium >> www.publishingtools4u.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage >> your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 17:10:33 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 23:10:33 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT] In-Reply-To: <4BEB1620.3060902@fourthworld.com> References: <4BEB1620.3060902@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <10FE8739-419D-4878-92A5-AC7600119A11@numericable.com> I am so sorry to drift on our computer's subjects, it's my fault, I made a citation about which I do not think there would be these returns back. I also know from experience that the name of Nietzsche can be controversial. It is a paradox because it is a philosopher of life who fights nihilism and when someone is nihilistic we assimilate his remarks to those of Nietzsche ... Strange that this man is so little understood. We must recognize that his books are not easily accessible. Le 12 mai 2010 ? 22:57, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > Ren? Micout wrote: > > > This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. > > All these stupid things taken from "La volont? de puissance" > > book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who > > was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly > > disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this > > philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) > > that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism > > very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher > > (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the > > depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues > > pertinent to the 21st century ... > > I don't mind an OT post when I learn something. :) > > Thanks, Ren?. Good info. Sheds good light on the man, and helps explain why my own somewhat limited readings of Nietzsche's works didn't strike me the same way others describe him. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 12 17:12:31 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:12:31 -0500 Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( In-Reply-To: <36075E5E-18EC-4CA4-9EC4-A6284AD7555F@telenet.be> References: <524934.5138.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <36075E5E-18EC-4CA4-9EC4-A6284AD7555F@telenet.be> Message-ID: <4BEB19BF.6020602@hyperactivesw.com> tkuypers at telenet.be wrote: > Hi Mike, > > It is the full path to the XML file, so > http://someFolder/someSubfolder/Templates.xml... When I put that into > a field, copy it and paste it into the browser, it works ok... When you built the revlet, did you select "Network" in the permissions? You need to do that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 12 17:19:52 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 00:19:52 +0300 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT] In-Reply-To: <392D4C6A-C8FF-4205-B9BE-C679BA5B896D@numericable.com> References: <659FA68B-9F02-4529-812C-0F2C34355889@wanadoo.fr> <05B3619B-DA95-4860-94D4-5747C59E1DD7@numericable.com> <4BEB1108.7030508@gmail.com> <392D4C6A-C8FF-4205-B9BE-C679BA5B896D@numericable.com> Message-ID: <4BEB1B78.1010605@gmail.com> On 12/05/2010 23:53, Ren? Micout wrote: > This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from "La volont? de puissance" book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... > As for Wittgenstein, I recommend "L'ab?c?daire de Gilles Deleuze" which defines his thought as "the degree zero of the philosophy" ... > D?saccord total... but ;-) > Bonne nuit > Ren? > Well it is a good thing that Thee and Me, at least, are grown ups, so we can disagree violently yet still carry on a civilised correspondence. This is, of course, quite unlike somebody else . . . :) I think that the reason many people discard Wittgenstein is that they think because he did not write in some sort of metaphysical jargon, but plain, simple words and sentences, he wrote crap. In fact, if one takes one's time to work one's way through his work there is a lot of good there. I, also, wouldn't doubt that there is a lot of good in some of Nietzsche's work; it has been, however, overshadowed by historical developments; whether as a result of misinterpretation (and that has to be a subjective judgement) of what he wrote, distortion by his sister, distortion by Chamberlain, or what he actually did write. What constitutes one man's misinterpretation may be another man's verit?; ne c'est pas? And as Nietzsche is dead we are quite unable to find out what the man actually intended to say. It is also extremely difficult to read any writer whose work has had an historical effect without one's interpretation being coloured by a knowledge of that historical effect; reading in vacuo is not an option.. While Wittgenstein has had an effect on late 20 century thought, he has not precipitated (even if unwittingly) what happened in central Europe between 1933 and 1945, and whose echoes are still being felt. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 12 17:22:17 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 00:22:17 +0300 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT] In-Reply-To: <10FE8739-419D-4878-92A5-AC7600119A11@numericable.com> References: <4BEB1620.3060902@fourthworld.com> <10FE8739-419D-4878-92A5-AC7600119A11@numericable.com> Message-ID: <4BEB1C09.2090303@gmail.com> On 13/05/2010 00:10, Ren? Micout wrote: > I am so sorry to drift on our computer's subjects, it's my fault, I made a citation about which I do not think there would be these returns back. > I also know from experience that the name of Nietzsche can be controversial. It is a paradox because it is a philosopher of life who fights nihilism and when someone is nihilistic we assimilate his remarks to those of Nietzsche ... Strange that this man is so little understood. We must recognize that his books are not easily accessible. > C'est sure, mon ami ; et Immanuel Kant, Nicolas Malebranche et al aussi . . . :) From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Wed May 12 17:25:04 2010 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 22:25:04 +0100 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT] In-Reply-To: <4BEB1620.3060902@fourthworld.com> References: <4BEB1620.3060902@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Bringing things back on topic (well sort of)... Nietzsche also wrote something called (in English) The Gay Science. This is something of which a certain person on this list is sure to endorse, and illustrates Nietzsche's great foresight or aforementioned person's retrospective hindsight with which we are all familiar, relatively speaking. Thus spoke Dave On 12 May 2010, at 21:57, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Ren? Micout wrote: > > > This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. > > All these stupid things taken from "La volont? de puissance" > > book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who > > was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly > > disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this > > philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) > > that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism > > very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher > > (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the > > depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues > > pertinent to the 21st century ... > > I don't mind an OT post when I learn something. :) > > Thanks, Ren?. Good info. Sheds good light on the man, and helps explain why my own somewhat limited readings of Nietzsche's works didn't strike me the same way others describe him. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From tkuypers at telenet.be Wed May 12 17:37:13 2010 From: tkuypers at telenet.be (tkuypers at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 23:37:13 +0200 Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( In-Reply-To: <4BEB19BF.6020602@hyperactivesw.com> References: <524934.5138.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <36075E5E-18EC-4CA4-9EC4-A6284AD7555F@telenet.be> <4BEB19BF.6020602@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Did that, but besides giving me the security warning, the result is the same: nada, zilch, nothing, noppes :-( Regards, Ton Kuypers On 12-mei-2010, at 23:12, J. Landman Gay wrote: > tkuypers at telenet.be wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> It is the full path to the XML file, so >> http://someFolder/someSubfolder/Templates.xml... When I put that into >> a field, copy it and paste it into the browser, it works ok... > > When you built the revlet, did you select "Network" in the permissions? You need to do that. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From tkuypers at telenet.be Wed May 12 17:39:02 2010 From: tkuypers at telenet.be (tkuypers at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 23:39:02 +0200 Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( In-Reply-To: References: <2FA09ED3-EE4B-4CCE-A760-A08E34C2599B@telenet.be> <524934.5138.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hmmm... I've been testing some more, but no luck... - put url("http://www.publishingtools4u.com/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml") into fld "Data1" > No result - put url("file:" & "/templates/templates.xml") into fld "Data1" > No result - put url("file:" & "/wwwroot/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml") into fld "Data1" > No result Any idea how can I read from a file on the server???? The DefaultFolder or The Files gives nothing back, URLs don't seem to work either... warm regards, Ton Kuypers > I missed your original query Mike but I think Ton is right and it is a > file path issue. I haven't done a lot with rev lets, but I think they > require a I'll file path. E.g. > set the filename of img 1 to "http://mywebsite/folder/image.png" > > Cheers, > Sarah > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 12 17:44:57 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 00:44:57 +0300 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT] In-Reply-To: References: <4BEB1620.3060902@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4BEB2159.3030009@gmail.com> On 13/05/2010 00:25, Dave Cragg wrote: > Bringing things back on topic (well sort of)... > > Nietzsche also wrote something called (in English) To come out of the closet, or to stay shut in; that is the question. > The Gay Science. Oh dear! Polysemanticism and the perils of translation. There is a chap called 'Randy' over here the other day, and my first name is 'John' . . . the whole thing can be carried too far. At my school there was a chap called 'Shufflebotham' (pronounced in 'that' way) who was an extremely good country runner; although he was often beaten by the chaplain's son; 'Alcock'. I kid you not! Sooner rather than later our good wag, J. Landman G. will "quip one off". > This is something of which a certain person on this list is sure to endorse, and illustrates Nietzsche's great foresight or aforementioned person's retrospective hindsight with which we are all familiar, relatively speaking. > > Thus spoke Dave Try a Google search for "Revolution" . . . :) From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed May 12 17:48:18 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:48:18 -0700 Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, tkuypers at telenet.be wrote: > I've been testing some more, but no luck... > - put > url("http://www.publishingtools4u.com/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml") > into fld "Data1" > No result > - put url("file:" & "/templates/templates.xml") into fld "Data1" > No result > - put url("file:" & "/wwwroot/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml") into > fld "Data1" > No result Ton, a ?URL? is a container, not a function. Try this: put url "http://www.publishingtools4u.com/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml" into fld "Data1" Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From chipp at chipp.com Wed May 12 17:51:06 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:51:06 -0500 Subject: iPad User interface review Message-ID: Who'd of thought XCode developers can't design perfect interfaces? Excellent Article on the iPad's Usability. I'm sure Steve Jobs is surprised his XCode developers haven't created optimal interfaces. I'm sure with a few more license changes, this will all get sorted out. ;-) These issues are not only iPad centric, as they are issues which pertain to Android and any other tablets out there. A good read. Thanks Richard Gaskin for sharing. >From Jakob Nielsen, noted authority on user experience design: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ipad.html From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 17:51:14 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 23:51:14 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT] In-Reply-To: <4BEB1B78.1010605@gmail.com> References: <659FA68B-9F02-4529-812C-0F2C34355889@wanadoo.fr> <05B3619B-DA95-4860-94D4-5747C59E1DD7@numericable.com> <4BEB1108.7030508@gmail.com> <392D4C6A-C8FF-4205-B9BE-C679BA5B896D@numericable.com> <4BEB1B78.1010605@gmail.com> Message-ID: If Hitler had read Nietzsche I do not think it is claimed. It is very violent with anti-Semitic, also the violence. I think he read the wrong book concocted by his sister in which sentences are truncated and modified to suggest to Hitler that his brother shared his ideas. read about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Will_to_Power_ (manuscript), I know the French version http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Volont?_de_puissance I do not know if the English version is the same (five times shorter). I understand (I hope I am not wrong) that you worked on Sanskrit. Nietzsche in particular raised the figure of Dionysus, the Greek equivalent of Shiva (Cernunos in Celtic) A few days ago on French television, Michel Onfray, a French philosopher strongly anchored to the left (politics) said: "The discovery of Nietzsche has changed my life." I doubt a man of the left claims (especially in France) of a philosopher professing the ideals of the far right. But it is late Mister ("Mais il est tard, Monsieur)" (in the words of Jacques Brel), almost midnight and it is time to go to bed. It is not easy and it takes time but this writer is very important if there is only one book to read about Nietzsche Nietzsche I advise Patrick Wotling (I do not know if has been translated into English), but that of Deleuze has been (but it is very difficult). Good Night Richmond ! Ren? Le 12 mai 2010 ? 23:19, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > On 12/05/2010 23:53, Ren? Micout wrote: >> This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from "La volont? de puissance" book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... >> As for Wittgenstein, I recommend "L'ab?c?daire de Gilles Deleuze" which defines his thought as "the degree zero of the philosophy" ... >> D?saccord total... but ;-) >> Bonne nuit >> Ren? >> > > Well it is a good thing that Thee and Me, at least, are grown ups, so we can disagree violently yet still carry on a civilised > correspondence. > > This is, of course, quite unlike somebody else . . . :) > > I think that the reason many people discard Wittgenstein is that they think because he did not write in some sort of > metaphysical jargon, but plain, simple words and sentences, he wrote crap. In fact, if one takes one's time to work > one's way through his work there is a lot of good there. > > I, also, wouldn't doubt that there is a lot of good in some of Nietzsche's work; it has been, however, overshadowed by > historical developments; whether as a result of misinterpretation (and that has to be a subjective judgement) of what > he wrote, distortion by his sister, distortion by Chamberlain, or what he actually did write. > > What constitutes one man's misinterpretation may be another man's verit?; ne c'est pas? And as Nietzsche is dead > we are quite unable to find out what the man actually intended to say. > > It is also extremely difficult to read any writer whose work has had an historical effect without one's interpretation > being coloured by a knowledge of that historical effect; reading in vacuo is not an option.. > > While Wittgenstein has had an effect on late 20 century thought, he has not precipitated (even if unwittingly) what > happened in central Europe between 1933 and 1945, and whose echoes are still being felt. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 12 17:53:40 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 23:53:40 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT] In-Reply-To: References: <4BEB1620.3060902@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <428FB480-367A-4218-B038-FDCFFEEDD74D@numericable.com> Name ! Name ! Des noms ! Des noms ! ;-) Le 12 mai 2010 ? 23:25, Dave Cragg a ?crit : > Bringing things back on topic (well sort of)... > > Nietzsche also wrote something called (in English) The Gay Science. This is something of which a certain person on this list is sure to endorse, and illustrates Nietzsche's great foresight or aforementioned person's retrospective hindsight with which we are all familiar, relatively speaking. > > Thus spoke Dave > > > > On 12 May 2010, at 21:57, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> Ren? Micout wrote: >> >>> This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. >>> All these stupid things taken from "La volont? de puissance" >>> book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who >>> was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly >>> disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this >>> philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) >>> that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism >>> very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher >>> (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the >>> depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues >>> pertinent to the 21st century ... >> >> I don't mind an OT post when I learn something. :) >> >> Thanks, Ren?. Good info. Sheds good light on the man, and helps explain why my own somewhat limited readings of Nietzsche's works didn't strike me the same way others describe him. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World >> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com >> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 12 18:00:13 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 17:00:13 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT] In-Reply-To: <4BEB2159.3030009@gmail.com> References: <4BEB1620.3060902@fourthworld.com> <4BEB2159.3030009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BEB24ED.9030008@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > At my school there was a chap called 'Shufflebotham' (pronounced in > 'that' way) who was an extremely good country runner; > although he was often beaten by the chaplain's son; 'Alcock'. I kid you > not! > > Sooner rather than later our good wag, J. Landman G. will "quip one off". Hard to top those, but...I just got a new phone line and the caller ID info is showing up as "Gay Jacqueline". I think I need to change that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From tkuypers at telenet.be Wed May 12 18:01:49 2010 From: tkuypers at telenet.be (tkuypers at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 00:01:49 +0200 Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Scott, I know, but I copied the code from the variant with "file:" in from of it... It won't give a problem in a local app, but sadly enough with or without doesn't give a result when using it in a revlet :-( Regards, Ton Kuypers On 12-mei-2010, at 23:48, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, tkuypers at telenet.be wrote: > >> I've been testing some more, but no luck... >> - put >> url("http://www.publishingtools4u.com/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml") >> into fld "Data1" > No result >> - put url("file:" & "/templates/templates.xml") into fld "Data1" > No result >> - put url("file:" & "/wwwroot/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml") into >> fld "Data1" > No result > > Ton, a ?URL? is a container, not a function. Try this: > > put url > "http://www.publishingtools4u.com/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml" > into fld "Data1" > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 12 18:02:22 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 01:02:22 +0300 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT] In-Reply-To: <428FB480-367A-4218-B038-FDCFFEEDD74D@numericable.com> References: <4BEB1620.3060902@fourthworld.com> <428FB480-367A-4218-B038-FDCFFEEDD74D@numericable.com> Message-ID: <4BEB256E.2060604@gmail.com> "Die fr?hliche Wissenschaft": "The Gay Science" was about poetry and the idea of power. It has also been translated as "The Joyous Wisdom" (which avoids any latter-day ambiguity). Personally I would go for an entirely literal translation of 'fr?hliche'; "frolicsome" nothing either wrong or ambig. about that! Bon Nuit, ???? ???, Slaap lekker! Richmond. From mikekann at yahoo.com Wed May 12 18:18:09 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <744467.21727.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ton and Scott, This is weird. I created a stack and tried to get a page from my server using Scott's syntax, but it wouldn't work. I swear I've done it many times before. Something obvious I'm sure. Mike --- On Wed, 5/12/10, tkuypers at telenet.be wrote: > From: tkuypers at telenet.be > Subject: Re: Stuck with Revlets :-( > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 5:01 PM > Hi Scott, > > I know, but I copied the code from the variant with "file:" > in from of it... It won't give a problem in a local app, but > sadly enough with or without doesn't give a result when > using it in a revlet :-( > > > Regards, > > Ton Kuypers > > > > On 12-mei-2010, at 23:48, Scott Rossi wrote: > > > Recently, tkuypers at telenet.be > wrote: > > > >> I've been testing some more, but no luck... > >> - put > >> url("http://www.publishingtools4u.com/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml") > >> into fld "Data1"???> No result > >> - put url("file:" & > "/templates/templates.xml") into fld "Data1"? > No > result > >> - put url("file:" & > "/wwwroot/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml") into > >> fld "Data1"? > No result > > > > Ton, a ?URL? is a container, not a function.? > Try this: > > > > put url > > "http://www.publishingtools4u.com/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml" > > into fld "Data1" > > > > Regards, > > > > Scott Rossi > > Creative Director > > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed May 12 18:38:15 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:38:15 -0700 Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, tkuypers at telenet.be wrote: > I know, but I copied the code from the variant with "file:" in from of it... > It won't give a problem in a local app, but sadly enough with or without > doesn't give a result when using it in a revlet :-( When I run the following from Rev's message box I get XML, so the file is there, and accessing it from Rev works: answer url "http://www.publishingtools4u.com/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml" My understanding is you only need to use the "file:" and "binfile:" types when accessing local files. Maybe there's different syntax for file access in a RevLet. For sure there's a difference between net access and local file access. Perhaps Jacque G or Sarah R knows. They're knowledgeable dudes. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed May 12 19:31:23 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:31:23 -0700 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT] In-Reply-To: <4BEB24ED.9030008@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BEB1620.3060902@fourthworld.com> <4BEB2159.3030009@gmail.com> <4BEB24ED.9030008@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <111-1828251156.20100512163123@ahsoftware.net> Jacque- Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 3:00:13 PM, you wrote: > Hard to top those, but...I just got a new phone line and the caller ID > info is showing up as "Gay Jacqueline". I think I need to change that. ...toujours gai, archy... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From kkaufman at snet.net Wed May 12 19:52:36 2010 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 19:52:36 -0400 Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( Message-ID: Scott Rossi: "...Perhaps Jacque G or Sarah R knows. They're knowledgeable dudes...." That would be "dudettes". :-) From jim at visitrieve.com Wed May 12 20:06:04 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:06:04 -1000 Subject: [OT] Licensing question In-Reply-To: <4BEAAD4A.4070408@gmail.com> References: <4BEA953E.7080908@gmail.com> <86FF5C34-AB1D-48F7-8D62-A8639E0A9F7D@azurevision.co.uk> <4BEAAD4A.4070408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00fc01caf230$14a77030$3df65090$@com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Bung Vista on an old P4 1.7GHz, 512 MB RAM I have lurking under my bed; Vista (unless it Vista Home) requires 1 GB of RAM (including Vista Home Premium). Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From saxtell at neb.rr.com Wed May 12 20:44:11 2010 From: saxtell at neb.rr.com (Steven Axtell) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 19:44:11 -0500 Subject: Copying Highlighted Text in a Field Message-ID: <000a01caf235$6791b030$0301000a@saxtell> I am wanting to copy highlighted text in a field by right-clicking on the field and choosing a menu option from the pop-up menu. The problem that I run into is than when I right-click on the field, the highlighted text become unhighlighted and I am not able to copy the field contents. I have the code set up to execute the "copy" command when the menu selection is made-I have no issue with that. How can I prevent the highlighted text from becoming unhighlighted when I click on it? Thanks, Steven Axtell From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed May 12 20:57:15 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:57:15 +1000 Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> I know, but I copied the code from the variant with "file:" in from of it... >> It won't give a problem in a local app, but sadly enough with or without >> doesn't give a result when using it in a revlet :-( > > When I run the following from Rev's message box I get XML, so the file is > there, and accessing it from Rev works: > answer url > "http://www.publishingtools4u.com/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml" > > My understanding is you only need to use the "file:" and "binfile:" types > when accessing local files. Maybe there's different syntax for file access > in a RevLet. ?For sure there's a difference between net access and local > file access. ?Perhaps Jacque G or Sarah R knows. ?They're knowledgeable > dudes. Over to Jacque. I'm only a dud on this one. All the variants I try work fine in Rev, but not in a revlet. I can only get local files to load, not remote ones. Sorry, Sarah From jim at visitrieve.com Wed May 12 20:58:26 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:58:26 -1000 Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( In-Reply-To: References: <2FA09ED3-EE4B-4CCE-A760-A08E34C2599B@telenet.be> <524934.5138.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012101caf237$65aa8ec0$30ffac40$@com> Ton Kuypers wrote: > hmmm... > > I've been testing some more, but no luck... > - put > url("http://www.publishingtools4u.com/placemats4free/templates/template > s.xml") into fld "Data1" > No result > - put url("file:" & "/templates/templates.xml") into fld "Data1" > No > result > - put url("file:" & "/wwwroot/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml") > into fld "Data1" > No result > > Any idea how can I read from a file on the server???? > > The DefaultFolder or The Files gives nothing back, URLs don't seem to > work either... Try dropping back to Rev 4.0 and report if the problems are the same. There have been reports of problems in this area with Rev 4.5 dp-3. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From tkuypers at telenet.be Wed May 12 21:09:01 2010 From: tkuypers at telenet.be (tkuypers at telenet.be) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 03:09:01 +0200 Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( In-Reply-To: <012101caf237$65aa8ec0$30ffac40$@com> References: <2FA09ED3-EE4B-4CCE-A760-A08E34C2599B@telenet.be> <524934.5138.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <012101caf237$65aa8ec0$30ffac40$@com> Message-ID: <4ACA8A7F-1B5A-4334-9559-5BB7714DFACC@telenet.be> JIM, YOU ROCK!!!! Falling back to 4.0 did the job! The code put url "http://www.publishingtools4u.com/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml" into fld "Data1" now works. This is great, now at least I can continue :-) Warm regards, Ton Kuypers On 13-mei-2010, at 02:58, Jim Bufalini wrote: > > Try dropping back to Rev 4.0 and report if the problems are the same. There > have been reports of problems in this area with Rev 4.5 dp-3. > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 12 21:08:48 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 20:08:48 -0500 Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BEB5120.90204@hyperactivesw.com> Kurt Kaufman wrote: > Scott Rossi: > "...Perhaps Jacque G or Sarah R knows. They're knowledgeable > dudes...." > > That would be "dudettes". :-) He did it on purpose. And I'm sorry to say, I LOL'ed. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed May 12 21:14:32 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:14:32 -0700 Subject: Test For Field Being Edited? Message-ID: Hi List: I can't remember... Is there a way to determine if any field on a card is open for editing, other than storing a variable? I want to disable actions in a card script if a field is actively being edited. I was hoping there was some keyword to determine what field is active (the activeField, the busyField, etc). Or must I set a variable value each time a field is opened for editing? Thanks & Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From jerry.daniels at me.com Wed May 12 21:20:21 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 20:20:21 -0500 Subject: Test For Field Being Edited? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37010428-AE8B-42C2-B467-980E99785981@me.com> Scott, I think it's: the selectedField Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 12, 2010, at 8:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Hi List: > > I can't remember... Is there a way to determine if any field on a > card is > open for editing, other than storing a variable? > > I want to disable actions in a card script if a field is actively > being > edited. I was hoping there was some keyword to determine what field > is > active (the activeField, the busyField, etc). Or must I set a > variable > value each time a field is opened for editing? > > Thanks & Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 12 21:27:15 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 20:27:15 -0500 Subject: Stuck with Revlets :-( In-Reply-To: <012101caf237$65aa8ec0$30ffac40$@com> References: <2FA09ED3-EE4B-4CCE-A760-A08E34C2599B@telenet.be> <524934.5138.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <012101caf237$65aa8ec0$30ffac40$@com> Message-ID: <4BEB5573.2060202@hyperactivesw.com> Jim Bufalini wrote: > Ton Kuypers wrote: > >> hmmm... >> >> I've been testing some more, but no luck... >> - put >> url("http://www.publishingtools4u.com/placemats4free/templates/template >> s.xml") into fld "Data1" > No result >> - put url("file:" & "/templates/templates.xml") into fld "Data1" > No >> result >> - put url("file:" & "/wwwroot/placemats4free/templates/templates.xml") >> into fld "Data1" > No result >> >> Any idea how can I read from a file on the server???? >> >> The DefaultFolder or The Files gives nothing back, URLs don't seem to >> work either... > > > Try dropping back to Rev 4.0 and report if the problems are the same. There > have been reports of problems in this area with Rev 4.5 dp-3. That may be it. I have a test revlet compiled with Rev 4.0, and this executes fine: put url "http://jacque.on-rev.com/quoteoday.txt" into fld 2 I tried Ton's xml file too and it also works. Ton, the other thing you can try is to enable all the security settings and rebuild it with everything set. If that works, you could remove them one at a time until you see what's required for your app. But it sounds like the Rev version may be the problem. Ms. Dud((e)tte) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Wed May 12 21:47:04 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (tsj) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:47:04 +1000 Subject: Test For Field Being Edited? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What about querying the selectedChunk or the selectedField? Terry... On 13/05/10 11:14 AM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: > Hi List: > > I can't remember... Is there a way to determine if any field on a card is > open for editing, other than storing a variable? > > I want to disable actions in a card script if a field is actively being > edited. I was hoping there was some keyword to determine what field is > active (the activeField, the busyField, etc). Or must I set a variable > value each time a field is opened for editing? > > Thanks & Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jim at visitrieve.com Wed May 12 21:48:38 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 15:48:38 -1000 Subject: Test For Field Being Edited? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012201caf23e$68e1e7d0$3aa5b770$@com> Scott Rossi wrote: > I can't remember... Is there a way to determine if any field on a card > is > open for editing, other than storing a variable? > > I want to disable actions in a card script if a field is actively being > edited. I was hoping there was some keyword to determine what field is > active (the activeField, the busyField, etc). Or must I set a variable > value each time a field is opened for editing? > > Thanks & Regards, You can use the openField, exitField and closeField messages. exitField and closeField trigger when the text of the field has either not changed or has changed but in either case, the focus is lost. openField triggers when a user has clicked in the field. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Wed May 12 21:59:32 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (tsj) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:59:32 +1000 Subject: Copying Highlighted Text in a Field In-Reply-To: <000a01caf235$6791b030$0301000a@saxtell> Message-ID: On 13/05/10 10:44 AM, "Steven Axtell" wrote: > I am wanting to copy highlighted text in a field by right-clicking on the > field and choosing a menu option from the pop-up menu. The problem that I run > into is than when I right-click on the field, the highlighted text become > unhighlighted and I am not able to copy the field contents. I have the code > set up to execute the "copy" command when the menu selection is made-I have no > issue with that. How can I prevent the highlighted text from becoming > unhighlighted when I click on it? This might be a roundabout approach but it seems to work. on mouseDown pButton put the selectedChunk into tChunk do ("set the backgroundColor of "&tChunk&" to the hiliteColor") popup btn "contextMenu" at the mouseLoc do ("set the backgroundColor of "&tChunk&" to empty") do ("select"&&tChunk) end mouseDown Terry... > > Thanks, > > Steven Axtell > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From saxtell at neb.rr.com Wed May 12 22:17:58 2010 From: saxtell at neb.rr.com (Steven Axtell) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:17:58 -0500 Subject: Copying Highlighted Text in a Field References: Message-ID: <001601caf242$81a4b960$0301000a@saxtell> Thanks Terry. I'll give that a try. Steve > > This might be a roundabout approach but it seems to work. > > on mouseDown pButton > put the selectedChunk into tChunk > do ("set the backgroundColor of "&tChunk&" to the hiliteColor") > popup btn "contextMenu" at the mouseLoc > do ("set the backgroundColor of "&tChunk&" to empty") > do ("select"&&tChunk) > end mouseDown > > Terry... > From niconiko at gmail.com Thu May 13 01:25:25 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:25:25 +0900 Subject: conditional resizing of an url-referenced image object Message-ID: Hello, On the one hand, I have a series of png images on my web-server. The width of each varies quite somewhat, but the height is always 163. On the other, there's a stack card on which is an image object with its lockLoc set to true. Say, width 260 and height 163. A script will set the filename of that image object to the url of one of those web-server pngs. Obviously, because of lockLoc, the web-image may get resized locally. Which looks ok with most of my web-images. But not if the web-image is "significantly" less wide than the image object's width of 163. So, by way of solution I'm thinking that, before the fileName of the image object gets set, the script could get the width of the web-image and, if it's "significantly" less than 163, the script will set to false the lockLoc. That way, the web-image gets displayed locally at its actual size. But, I don't know how to use Rev to get the width (or height) of an image that is on my web-server. If anyone knows, or if there's an alternate/better solution than what I've thought up, I'd appreciate the help. Thanks. -- Nicolas Cueto From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu May 13 01:33:06 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:33:06 +0300 Subject: [OT] Licensing question In-Reply-To: <00fc01caf230$14a77030$3df65090$@com> References: <4BEA953E.7080908@gmail.com> <86FF5C34-AB1D-48F7-8D62-A8639E0A9F7D@azurevision.co.uk> <4BEAAD4A.4070408@gmail.com> <00fc01caf230$14a77030$3df65090$@com> Message-ID: <4BEB8F12.5000208@gmail.com> On 13/05/2010 03:06, Jim Bufalini wrote: > Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> Bung Vista on an old P4 1.7GHz, 512 MB RAM I have lurking under my bed; > Vista (unless it Vista Home) requires 1 GB of RAM (including Vista Home > Premium). > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > Well I got Vista Home Premium running on a P4, 1.7GHz, 512 MB RAM; and NOT glacially slowly; quite sufficient for my quick test. Aloha from Bulgaria. From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu May 13 02:31:14 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 23:31:14 -0700 Subject: conditional resizing of an url-referenced image object In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > I don't know how to use Rev to get the width (or height) of an > image that is on my web-server. > > If anyone knows, or if there's an alternate/better solution than what > I've thought up, I'd appreciate the help. If you lock the screen before setting the fileName of the image, you could size the image properly before displaying it, using the formattedWidth porperty, and then reposition the image if necessary. Or maybe do the sizing offscreen before showing the image. set width of img "displayImage" to formattedWidth of img "displayImage" Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From sims at ezpzapps.com Thu May 13 03:29:30 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:29:30 +0200 Subject: Android Culture Message-ID: <448FCAAD-DA87-401D-8A58-ED5311BE0DA7@ezpzapps.com> I welcome my Android brothers and sisters - Long Live Android. Being ignorant of Android behavior and where they can be found, would someone please tell me where I might find great places to see apps for them? Is the an Android-like iTunes store? Are there famous Android download sites? I only have one of those silly mobiles that only do phone calls at the moment so all of this is new to me. So, I need to find out more about Android culture. Are there Android users on this list? My only exposure to Android was last week when I had a couchsurfer staying at my flat. He had worked for Google in Europe but quit after one year (assimilating into Google Land was not his thing) and he had and Android mobile, free from Google. Much angst was expressed by him as it seemed to crash every now and then and he lost quite a few tourist type photos he'd taken. I hope Androids have advanced since his model. sims From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu May 13 03:54:01 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:54:01 +0100 Subject: Android Culture In-Reply-To: <448FCAAD-DA87-401D-8A58-ED5311BE0DA7@ezpzapps.com> References: <448FCAAD-DA87-401D-8A58-ED5311BE0DA7@ezpzapps.com> Message-ID: <44484CE3-34A6-402C-B447-4D1518870BD1@azurevision.co.uk> On 13 May 2010, at 08:29, jim sims wrote: > Being ignorant of Android behavior and where they can be found, > would someone please tell me where I might find great places to see > apps for them? Is the an Android-like iTunes store? Are there famous > Android download sites? http://www.android.com/market/ is the 'official' store from Google but can only be viewed fully from an Android handset, and then the different carriers sometimes have their own stores as well. There's then a few other sites offering apps via sideloading. In other words, don't expect there to be anything as cohesive as Apple's App Store. :-( Ian From sims at ezpzapps.com Thu May 13 04:10:39 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:10:39 +0200 Subject: Android Culture In-Reply-To: <44484CE3-34A6-402C-B447-4D1518870BD1@azurevision.co.uk> References: <448FCAAD-DA87-401D-8A58-ED5311BE0DA7@ezpzapps.com> <44484CE3-34A6-402C-B447-4D1518870BD1@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: On May 13, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > http://www.android.com/market/ is the 'official' store from Google but can only be viewed fully from an Android handset, and then the different carriers sometimes have their own stores as well. There's then a few other sites offering apps via sideloading. Thanks for that. After a quick glance at the top paid apps I suspect that Scott Rossi could rule Android Land. sims From mikeharland at mac.com Thu May 13 04:58:35 2010 From: mikeharland at mac.com (Mike Harland) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:58:35 +0100 Subject: iPad User interface review In-Reply-To: <20100513063115.80C6928834D@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100513063115.80C6928834D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <726AB115-6945-4218-ACDC-5557A9F734F9@mac.com> On 12th May Chipp Walters wrote: > Who'd of thought XCode developers can't design perfect > interfaces? > > Excellent Article on the iPad's Usability. I'm sure Steve Jobs is surprised > his XCode developers haven't created optimal interfaces. I'm sure with a few > more license changes, this will all get sorted out. ;-) Thanks for this reference Chipp - for those of us who lived through the two decades of multimedia and hypermedia, it is good to see that the old master of human-computer interaction, Jakob Nielsen, remains as active and relevant as ever. If we learnt anything in those days, it was that design is 80-90% of the success of any app, coding is secondary. Another local hypermedia 'guru' of mine was Lynda Hardman, whose seminal article (with Deborah Edwards) on cognitive mapping and navigation, "Lost in Hyperspace", is also equally relevant today. Mike From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu May 13 05:11:09 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:11:09 +0300 Subject: Androids and Cyborgs Message-ID: <4BEBC22D.2080903@gmail.com> Ooooh, look at this: http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/emulator.html From david at architex.tv Thu May 13 05:55:27 2010 From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:55:27 +0100 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> Message-ID: Jerry - it would be good to outline a little more clearly how Rodeo works / fits into the picture of how to develop apps on iPhone for Rev developers. I'm not clear - so I guess perhaps others are not. At present you have to make iPhone apps using either: 1. Cocoa Touch and Objective Cusing Xcode and the the iPhone SDK 2. Use open web standards and Xcode with or without open source frameworks such as PhoneGap 3. Other? You could also just create iPhone tailored web sites (with or without JavaScript frameworks to help out): - http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10295121-37.html - http://www.mobiletopsoft.com/board/7600/google-voice-web-app-now-available-to-iphone-and-webos.html I'm sort of assuming that Rodeo is an app written in Cocoa Touch/Objective C/Xcode which reads and writes structured data to the web server. You therefore have an authoring app and a web service. The web service is able to customize an Xcode project, and therefore create an app from this data for you, which you then aim to submit to the App store. Questions: - Is this right? - Is this not simply using web services to do the same thing as any other framework that automatically generates Objective C for Xcode - and therfore "could" fall foul of the "originally written" clause on the new license? I am trying to choose between the web app approach, the PhoneGap approach and Rodeo - thanks From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu May 13 06:13:07 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:13:07 +0100 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> Message-ID: <15BBA2C5-5B3B-4445-978C-807F5A4FDC2A@azurevision.co.uk> Presumably Jerry is asleep at the moment but from what I've read and watched... Rodeo is written in Rev and creates *online* HTML webapps, hosted on On-Rev. Xcode is not involved in the end-user's workflow at all*. The 'originally written in' clause is irrelevant because all that ends up being accessed by someone using a Rodeo-created webapp is HTML/CSS/JS. Basically, using Rev's strengths in text/file manipulation to generate all the relevant web files from a Rev-like syntax. What I'm not sure of is whether the Rodeo service is set up to generate the web files on- the-fly or to compile them when you finish editing an app. Presumably the second option, or the server load would get a bit heavy. Ian * Jerry has spoken about a future possibility of advising authors on PhoneGap-style wrapping of webapps for submission to Apple, but again all the code is processed within Webkit and therefore bypasses the restrictive parts of the SDK agreement. On 13 May 2010, at 10:55, David Bovill wrote: > I'm sort of assuming that Rodeo is an app written in Cocoa Touch/ > Objective > C/Xcode which reads and writes structured data to the web server. You > therefore have an authoring app and a web service. The web service > is able > to customize an Xcode project, and therefore create an app from this > data > for you, which you then aim to submit to the App store. > > Questions: > > - Is this right? > - Is this not simply using web services to do the same thing as > any other > framework that automatically generates Objective C for Xcode - and > therfore > "could" fall foul of the "originally written" clause on the new > license? From rabit at dimensionB.de Thu May 13 08:30:42 2010 From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:30:42 +0200 Subject: News on revIgniter (05-13-10) Message-ID: <1BC7D54C-C49B-4C16-B459-4548C02C36CD@dimensionB.de> revIgniter v1.3b has been released ready for download. What's new? This version includes a new library, which lets you write jQuery code for event handling, animation and Ajax interactions using revTalk. Furthermore there is a new helper, which assists you in working with dates. As some of you asked for it: There is now a comprehensive tutorial demonstrating how to build dynamic web pages with revIgniter (on the basis of a simple chat application). Info and download at: http://revigniter.com/ Ralf From niconiko at gmail.com Thu May 13 09:12:26 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 22:12:26 +0900 Subject: conditional resizing of an url-referenced image object In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Scott. Working with the formattedWidth did the trick. -- Nicolas Cueto From jerry.daniels at me.com Thu May 13 09:14:15 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:14:15 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <15BBA2C5-5B3B-4445-978C-807F5A4FDC2A@azurevision.co.uk> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <15BBA2C5-5B3B-4445-978C-807F5A4FDC2A@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: Ian, Well said and accurate. As regards the Rodeo server load and saving... Saving Rodeo code from either the Rodeo desktop or iPad IDE will result in sending it to the server where it will be rendered into viewable web app pages. The On-Rev server is surprising fast. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 13, 2010, at 5:13 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > Presumably Jerry is asleep at the moment but from what I've read and watched... > > Rodeo is written in Rev and creates *online* HTML webapps, hosted on On-Rev. Xcode is not involved in the end-user's workflow at all*. The 'originally written in' clause is irrelevant because all that ends up being accessed by someone using a Rodeo-created webapp is HTML/CSS/JS. > > Basically, using Rev's strengths in text/file manipulation to generate all the relevant web files from a Rev-like syntax. What I'm not sure of is whether the Rodeo service is set up to generate the web files on-the-fly or to compile them when you finish editing an app. Presumably the second option, or the server load would get a bit heavy. > > Ian > > * Jerry has spoken about a future possibility of advising authors on PhoneGap-style wrapping of webapps for submission to Apple, but again all the code is processed within Webkit and therefore bypasses the restrictive parts of the SDK agreement. > > > On 13 May 2010, at 10:55, David Bovill wrote: > >> I'm sort of assuming that Rodeo is an app written in Cocoa Touch/Objective >> C/Xcode which reads and writes structured data to the web server. You >> therefore have an authoring app and a web service. The web service is able >> to customize an Xcode project, and therefore create an app from this data >> for you, which you then aim to submit to the App store. >> >> Questions: >> >> - Is this right? >> - Is this not simply using web services to do the same thing as any other >> framework that automatically generates Objective C for Xcode - and therfore >> "could" fall foul of the "originally written" clause on the new license? > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mikekann at yahoo.com Thu May 13 09:16:32 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 06:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: News on revIgniter (05-13-10) In-Reply-To: <1BC7D54C-C49B-4C16-B459-4548C02C36CD@dimensionB.de> Message-ID: <920176.52271.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ralf, Congratulations and thank you very much. Mike --- On Thu, 5/13/10, Ralf Bitter wrote: > From: Ralf Bitter > Subject: News on revIgniter (05-13-10) > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 7:30 AM > > revIgniter v1.3b has been released ready for download. > What's new? This version includes a new library, > which lets you write jQuery code for event handling, > animation and Ajax interactions using revTalk. > Furthermore there is a new helper, which assists you > in working with dates. > > As some of you asked for it: > There is now a comprehensive tutorial demonstrating > how to build dynamic web pages with revIgniter > (on the basis of a simple chat application). > > > Info and download at: http://revigniter.com/ > > > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Thu May 13 10:45:52 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 16:45:52 +0200 Subject: [data grid] can't hide one of the scrollbar Message-ID: <1A0CA915-180C-4FC7-8EFB-A997E77ABAEB@inria.fr> Bonjour, In a brand new stack I put a button whose script is : ----------------- on mouseUp local DGRef, ------- copy group "DataGrid" of group "Templates" of stack "revDataGridLibrary" to this card put it into DGRef set the dgProp["show hScrollBar"] of DGRef to "false" set the dgProp["show vScrollBar"] of DGRef to "false" end mouseUp ----------------- then, the V scroll bar remains visible If I invert the order of the 2 last lines then it is the H scroll bar which remains visible In other words, the last line is not executed What am I doing wrong? Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From mkoob at rogers.com Thu May 13 10:53:50 2010 From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:53:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Test For Field Being Edited? References: Message-ID: Scott Rossi writes: > > Hi List: > > I can't remember... Is there a way to determine if any field on a card is > open for editing, other than storing a variable? > What about focusedObject. Martin From mkoob at rogers.com Thu May 13 10:59:35 2010 From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Test For Field Being Edited? References: Message-ID: Martin Koob writes: > > Scott Rossi writes: > > > > > Hi List: > > > > I can't remember... Is there a way to determine if any field on a card is > > open for editing, other than storing a variable? > > Sorry try this again What about focused object. This is what I use to check if a field is open and then call a handler in that field. if the first word of the focusedObject is "field" then dispatch "savemycontents" to the focusedObject end if Martin From cameron_bouch at yahoo.com Thu May 13 11:14:44 2010 From: cameron_bouch at yahoo.com (Cameron BOUCH) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [data grid] can't hide one of the scrollbar In-Reply-To: <1A0CA915-180C-4FC7-8EFB-A997E77ABAEB@inria.fr> Message-ID: <812962.57406.qm@web114114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> And you expect me to know this, how? --- On Thu, 5/13/10, Andre.Bisseret wrote: From: Andre.Bisseret Subject: [data grid] can't hide one of the scrollbar To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 10:45 AM Bonjour, In a brand new stack I put a button whose script is : ----------------- on mouseUp ???local DGRef, ???------- ???copy group "DataGrid" of group "Templates" of stack "revDataGridLibrary" to this card ???put it into DGRef ???set the dgProp["show hScrollBar"] of DGRef to "false" ???set the dgProp["show vScrollBar"] of DGRef to "false" end mouseUp ----------------- then, the V scroll bar remains visible If I invert the order of the 2 last lines then it is the H scroll bar which remains visible In other words, the last line is not executed What am I doing wrong? Best regards from Grenoble Andr? _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu May 13 12:54:04 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:54:04 -0400 Subject: News on revIgniter (05-13-10) In-Reply-To: <1BC7D54C-C49B-4C16-B459-4548C02C36CD@dimensionB.de> References: <1BC7D54C-C49B-4C16-B459-4548C02C36CD@dimensionB.de> Message-ID: <6BC32CF2-D621-4B9B-8AA2-4F4071F0C910@mac.com> Very Impressive Ralf, Going through the tutorials now. This is even more important to us for today. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today? http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com DeMoted on the iTune App Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8 On May 13, 2010, at 8:30 AM, Ralf Bitter wrote: > > revIgniter v1.3b has been released ready for download. > What's new? This version includes a new library, > which lets you write jQuery code for event handling, > animation and Ajax interactions using revTalk. > Furthermore there is a new helper, which assists you > in working with dates. > > As some of you asked for it: > There is now a comprehensive tutorial demonstrating > how to build dynamic web pages with revIgniter > (on the basis of a simple chat application). > > > Info and download at: http://revigniter.com/ > > > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 13 14:07:14 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:07:14 -0700 Subject: News on revIgniter (05-13-10) In-Reply-To: <6BC32CF2-D621-4B9B-8AA2-4F4071F0C910@mac.com> References: <1BC7D54C-C49B-4C16-B459-4548C02C36CD@dimensionB.de> <6BC32CF2-D621-4B9B-8AA2-4F4071F0C910@mac.com> Message-ID: I was stuck on this for no apparent reason for a while... nothing working until I found a couple of silly gotchas (of no fault of the author) that may happen to others that try this. 1. Cutting and pasting example code from the *revIgniter* example web pages appears to choke the Rev server. It turns out that the indenting characters on the page are not tabs but EOT (decimal 4) characters. (yikes!) Just replace these characters with tab or empty, or type it out manually. 2. New users, READ and DO the EXAMPLES regarding *controllers* and * views* - before trying anything else. Arg... cutting and pasting has as many drawbacks as advantages... thanks, Ralf for your good work for the Rev community. Someday I hope you will create a forum so that we can share ideas and templates. I will be Paypal as soon as I get something public running sqb On 13 May 2010 09:54, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Very Impressive Ralf, > > Going through the tutorials now. This is even more important to us for > today. > > > Tom McGrath III > Lazy River Software > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... > http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com > > I Can Speak on the iPad Store > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 > > DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today? > http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com > > DeMoted on the iTune App Store > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8 > > > > On May 13, 2010, at 8:30 AM, Ralf Bitter wrote: > > > > > revIgniter v1.3b has been released ready for download. > > What's new? This version includes a new library, > > which lets you write jQuery code for event handling, > > animation and Ajax interactions using revTalk. > > Furthermore there is a new helper, which assists you > > in working with dates. > > > > As some of you asked for it: > > There is now a comprehensive tutorial demonstrating > > how to build dynamic web pages with revIgniter > > (on the basis of a simple chat application). > > > > > > Info and download at: http://revigniter.com/ > > > > > > Ralf > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Thu May 13 14:29:04 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:29:04 -0700 Subject: News on revIgniter (05-13-10) In-Reply-To: References: <1BC7D54C-C49B-4C16-B459-4548C02C36CD@dimensionB.de> <6BC32CF2-D621-4B9B-8AA2-4F4071F0C910@mac.com> Message-ID: <1E9B562B-DE22-4142-B384-A127DA2B59CE@yahoo.com> On May 13, 2010, at 11:07 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > I was stuck on this for no apparent reason for a while... nothing > working > until I found a couple of silly gotchas (of no fault of the author) > that > may happen to others that try this. > > 1. Cutting and pasting example code from the *revIgniter* example > web pages > appears to choke the Rev server. It turns out that the indenting > characters > on the page are not tabs but EOT (decimal 4) characters. (yikes!) > > Just replace these characters with tab or empty, or type it out > manually. Just a word of caution... When copying text and images from browser windows, pop ups, and other display objects, always take steps to clean it and test it. There can be many invisible characters that are included in browser codes and the operating system clipboard is not able to deal with all contingencies. This is more important when working in non-English languages and in uincode. When copying and pasting into cgi scripts, the rules get a little trickier ( than irev scripts ) If you are pasting into the Rev script editor for irev scripts, you can see the result immediately. If you are editing the scripts in a text processor such as TextWrangler and uploading directly to the Rev server, the scripts can fail when called. Jim Ault Las Vegas From LunchnMeets at aol.com Thu May 13 14:37:47 2010 From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:37:47 EDT Subject: DataGrid - move Scrollbar by script Message-ID: <8398d.20069fc6.391da0fb@aol.com> Hi everyone, There are a lot of uses for datagrids. I'm having a little trouble fully getting into the operation of them though. How can I move the vertical scrollbar from within a script? What I have is an alphabetical list as one of the datagrid columns. I want to type a character and have the grid scroll so that the first listing shown is the first one with that character. It's probably a keyDown handler but that's as far as I got. I'm sure it's possible, but I can't figure it out. Your help is appreciated very much. Many times I don't know how I manage without this list as a resource. Joe in Orlando From johnpatten at mac.com Thu May 13 16:28:03 2010 From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:28:03 -0700 Subject: Recording Audio on Windows...? Message-ID: <1281E246-C34E-4D00-A0A2-7289F00831BE@mac.com> Hi All... I'm attempting to move a small stack, which records audio from a OS X computer over to a Windows XP computer. The OS X stack works fine. When I run it on the Windows XP machine I'm getting an error. I have installed QT on the Windows XP machine and I appear to have all my paths correct. i.e. C:\Documents and Settings\the_domain.theUser\Desktop\recordings \nameofRecording However, when I check the result after giving the record sound file command it reports: "error -220 starting recording" Does anyone have an idea of what I'm missing? Thank you! John Patten From devin_asay at byu.edu Thu May 13 16:48:58 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:48:58 -0600 Subject: Recording Audio on Windows...? In-Reply-To: <1281E246-C34E-4D00-A0A2-7289F00831BE@mac.com> References: <1281E246-C34E-4D00-A0A2-7289F00831BE@mac.com> Message-ID: <12A0FE7A-27EB-4DBD-992F-EBCB4999EF32@byu.edu> On May 13, 2010, at 2:28 PM, John Patten wrote: > Hi All... > > I'm attempting to move a small stack, which records audio from a OS X > computer over to a Windows XP computer. > > The OS X stack works fine. When I run it on the Windows XP machine I'm > getting an error. > > I have installed QT on the Windows XP machine and I appear to have all > my paths correct. > > i.e. C:\Documents and Settings\the_domain.theUser\Desktop\recordings > \nameofRecording > > However, when I check the result after giving the record sound file > command it reports: > > "error -220 starting recording" > > Does anyone have an idea of what I'm missing? Not sure what the error means. But audio recordings are generally pretty reliable on XP. I've got a demo stack that I know works on Win XP and Mac OS X. Maybe you could compare it to your own code and see if there are differences. If it doesn't work, there might be a problem with your configuration. Enter in message box: go stack URL "http://asay.byu.edu/AudioJukebox.rev" HTH Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From jimschaubeck at yahoo.com Thu May 13 17:11:00 2010 From: jimschaubeck at yahoo.com (Jim Schaubeck) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:11:00 -0700 Subject: Printing in a revlet Message-ID: <002d01caf2e0$ca2a5b10$5e7f1130$@com> Is anyone able to tell me how I can have web users print a card or a web page from a revlet? I get blank pages when using Firefox and card printing does not work (at least I have not been successful in getting it to work). I could use a step by step guide if someone knows where to point me. HP (AMD Quad),Win7 64, Firefox, Rev Studio 4.0 This is a real problem for me L ____________________________ jim schaubeck 714.321.4499 From chris at whitelotus.on-rev.com Thu May 13 17:24:02 2010 From: chris at whitelotus.on-rev.com (Christian Langers) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 23:24:02 +0200 Subject: German & French not liked by Valentina DB & Rev ? Message-ID: <4BEC6DF2.5010408@whitelotus.on-rev.com> Hi, I'm trying to feed my Valentina Db fields with text. When using English, no problem. But when using German or French, pfff.. The main problem are the Umlauts (?,?,?,...) or french chars (?,?,?...). As I read in the docs, rev fields are storing text in UTF16. Valentina is storing text in UTF16 too. So normally there should be no problems when storing text from REV into Valentina. But when retrieving the saved text from the DB, that gives me scrambled chars instead of the ?,?,?,?,.... Does anybody have a solution to that ? I'm working on an Intel Mac, REV 4.5 DP3, Valentina 4.6, using SQLYoga... Thanks for any advice, Christian Luxembourg From rabit at dimensionB.de Thu May 13 17:28:00 2010 From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 23:28:00 +0200 Subject: News on revIgniter (05-13-10) In-Reply-To: References: <1BC7D54C-C49B-4C16-B459-4548C02C36CD@dimensionB.de> <6BC32CF2-D621-4B9B-8AA2-4F4071F0C910@mac.com> Message-ID: <328C3FCB-07A4-494E-B04E-C1E2221D3CA0@dimensionB.de> Stephen, 1. Sorry, should have mentioned in the tutorial, that one should be cautious in copying the scripts. 2. You are absolutely right about how to acquaint oneself with revIgniter. Ralf On 13.05.2010, at 20:07, stephen barncard wrote: > I was stuck on this for no apparent reason for a while... nothing working > until I found a couple of silly gotchas (of no fault of the author) that > may happen to others that try this. > > 1. Cutting and pasting example code from the *revIgniter* example web pages > appears to choke the Rev server. It turns out that the indenting characters > on the page are not tabs but EOT (decimal 4) characters. (yikes!) > > Just replace these characters with tab or empty, or type it out manually. > > 2. New users, READ and DO the EXAMPLES regarding *controllers* and * > views* - before trying anything else. > > > Arg... cutting and pasting has as many drawbacks as advantages... > > thanks, Ralf for your good work for the Rev community. Someday I hope you > will create a forum so that we can share ideas and templates. I will be > Paypal as soon as I get something public running > > sqb > From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Thu May 13 17:35:10 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 23:35:10 +0200 Subject: DataGrid - move Scrollbar by script In-Reply-To: <8398d.20069fc6.391da0fb@aol.com> References: <8398d.20069fc6.391da0fb@aol.com> Message-ID: 2010/5/13 : > Hi everyone, > > There are a lot of uses for datagrids. I'm having a little trouble fully > getting into the operation of them though. > > How can I move the vertical scrollbar from within a script? What I have is > an alphabetical list as one of the datagrid columns. I want to type a > character and have the grid scroll so that the first listing shown is the first > one with that character. It's probably a keyDown handler but that's as far as > I got. I'm sure it's possible, but I can't figure it out. Your help is > appreciated very much. Many times I don't know how I manage without this list as > a resource. > > Joe in Orlando > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > Hi Joe, The dgHilitedLines property of a Data Grid goes automatically to the first line you pass as parameter. If necessary it scrolls the vertical scrollbar to reach the line. Usage: set the dgHilitedLine of myDataGrid to pTheLine where pTheLine is the line to select. All you have to do here, is pass to this property the number of the line to display. With the Data Grid you can use the FindLine for exact match searching: However, for partial matches you have to write your own handler. Have a look to the search topic of the library I prepare for the Data Grid: go to url "http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/demo/DG_Lib_Demo-Dictionary.rev" It could inspire you some ideas. Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From DunbarX at aol.com Thu May 13 17:45:35 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 17:45:35 EDT Subject: debugger bitHints Message-ID: <8a9bb.6bd40aa3.391dccff@aol.com> I asked these things before; this time I will write them down. In the debugger: Isn't there a keyboard shortcut to put the selection into the find box? I know you can drag selected text, but that only inserts it into (after, before) what might already be there. It would be the equivalent of Cmd-H in HC. We already have Cmd-G, thank goodness. Is there documentation about watchpoints? I just tried them, and cannot figure out how they work, or how the conditionals attached to them are used. This goes for the conditionals with ordinary breakpoints as well. There was an external for watchpoints in HC way back, where a user defined conditional would invoke a breakpoint. So if a variable, say, exceeded a certain value, the script would halt with a breakpoint at that point. Very useful; it looks like this is supported in Rev too? Thanks. Craig Newman From DunbarX at aol.com Thu May 13 17:48:59 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 17:48:59 EDT Subject: debugger bitHints Message-ID: <8acd5.48445848.391dcdcb@aol.com> Ah. I got the watchpoints to work. My hastiness. About that find shortcut, though... Thanks. Craig Newman From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Thu May 13 17:54:04 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 23:54:04 +0200 Subject: debugger bitHints In-Reply-To: <8acd5.48445848.391dcdcb@aol.com> References: <8acd5.48445848.391dcdcb@aol.com> Message-ID: 2010/5/13 : > Ah. I got the watchpoints to work. My hastiness. > > About that find shortcut, though... Check your edit menu when you are in the script editor. There is a menu "Find selection" with its shortcut (option + command + F) that could help you. Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From DunbarX at aol.com Thu May 13 17:59:05 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 17:59:05 EDT Subject: debugger bitHints Message-ID: <8b650.4e8d85ee.391dd029@aol.com> Thanks. I am writing it down. In a message dated 5/13/10 5:54:12 PM, zryip.theslug at gmail.com writes: > > Check your edit menu when you are in the script editor. There is a > menu "Find selection" with its shortcut (option + command + F) that > could help you. > > From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Thu May 13 18:01:35 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 00:01:35 +0200 Subject: [data grid] can't hide one of the scrollbar In-Reply-To: <1A0CA915-180C-4FC7-8EFB-A997E77ABAEB@inria.fr> References: <1A0CA915-180C-4FC7-8EFB-A997E77ABAEB@inria.fr> Message-ID: 2010/5/13 Andre.Bisseret : > Bonjour, > > In a brand new stack I put a button whose script is : > ----------------- > on mouseUp > ? local DGRef, > ? ------- > ? copy group "DataGrid" of group "Templates" of stack "revDataGridLibrary" > to this card > ? put it into DGRef > ? set the dgProp["show hScrollBar"] of DGRef to "false" > ? set the dgProp["show vScrollBar"] of DGRef to "false" > end mouseUp > ----------------- > then, the V scroll bar remains visible > > If I invert the order of the 2 last lines then it is the H scroll bar which > remains visible > > In other words, the last line is not executed > > What am I doing wrong? > > > Best regards from Grenoble > > Andr? Bonjour Andr?, Not helpful here, but I've tested this and I encounter the same behavior. I have tried different ways to avoid it but with no result. By testing content of the dgProp["show hScrollBar"] and the dgProp["show vScrollBar"] immediately after the code, the first property is set to false, the second is set to empty. I have tried with a delay and a refresh command, however with no result. Odds Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 13 18:08:18 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 15:08:18 -0700 Subject: News on revIgniter (05-13-10) In-Reply-To: <328C3FCB-07A4-494E-B04E-C1E2221D3CA0@dimensionB.de> References: <1BC7D54C-C49B-4C16-B459-4548C02C36CD@dimensionB.de> <6BC32CF2-D621-4B9B-8AA2-4F4071F0C910@mac.com> <328C3FCB-07A4-494E-B04E-C1E2221D3CA0@dimensionB.de> Message-ID: Ralf, here's one more thing for newbies to this framework -- *Turn off the caching while working on the code*, otherwise you won't see your changes immediately! (this one threw me for a while.) outputCache 0 * * *This framework is really great. It's a bundle of extensible, rev-ready CMS building blocks with just-in-time libraries.* *The google "search site" field on the docs does not seem to be happy. Does this feature require an api key? * On 13 May 2010 14:28, Ralf Bitter wrote: > > Stephen, > > 1. Sorry, should have mentioned in the tutorial, > that one should be cautious in copying the scripts. > > 2. You are absolutely right about how to acquaint oneself > with revIgniter. > > > Ralf > > > On 13.05.2010, at 20:07, stephen barncard wrote: > > > I was stuck on this for no apparent reason for a while... nothing working > > until I found a couple of silly gotchas (of no fault of the author) that > > may happen to others that try this. > > > > 1. Cutting and pasting example code from the *revIgniter* example web > pages > > appears to choke the Rev server. It turns out that the indenting > characters > > on the page are not tabs but EOT (decimal 4) characters. (yikes!) > > > > Just replace these characters with tab or empty, or type it out manually. > > > > 2. New users, READ and DO the EXAMPLES regarding *controllers* and > * > > views* - before trying anything else. > > > > > > Arg... cutting and pasting has as many drawbacks as advantages... > > > > thanks, Ralf for your good work for the Rev community. Someday I hope > you > > will create a forum so that we can share ideas and templates. I will be > > Paypal as soon as I get something public running > > > > sqb > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From rman at free.fr Thu May 13 18:16:49 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 15:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <15BBA2C5-5B3B-4445-978C-807F5A4FDC2A@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <1273789009771-2215870.post@n4.nabble.com> The recent change in iphone policy and runrev plans have shaken my strategic tree over here in France. So i decided not to wait any longer for the ipad dream, and to launch my first app as mac and windows desktop !! I also decided to dig javascript as it has become so central nowadays; being at the heart of webBrowsers. Wanted to share views on that : I identified SproutCore framework and wondered if Jerry is working with that kind of framework!? It seems there is now 3 approaches to javascript-webapps : - "thin" client (all done on server side, eg that standard dynamic CMS sites on-rev excells at) - "fat" client (static HTML5 CSS with lots of Javascript all around that can directly interact with data servers, like SproutCore) - and.. a "sportive" approach.. which I thought off with on-rev, which is a dynamic CMS using .irev scripts the most and as little javascript as possible, and possibly jQuery scripts to keep cross-browser compatibility... .. and that is where RevIgniter, which I found so impressive seem to go! : "This version includes a new library, which lets you write jQuery code for event handling, animation and Ajax interactions using revTalk." Now sproutCOre has a touch librairy and an IDE just out of the oven... and with phoneGap still being ok with apple new strategy.. it seems like an interesting doable route for mainstream information orientated iphone apps. [and we'll soon see what rodeo brings in that arena too!] I'll be testing those 2 frameworks shortly and let know.. and of course any views, maybe on a separate thread? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ as far as the main subject of this thread was... Kevin's annoucement, to make it short : I'm ok not to have any money back from the mobile program (to be crude about it...) BUT I would like A) to get ANDROID mobile instead of iPhone (seems fair! eventhough i'll ditch my dream regarding iPad). If we get maemo, window mobile and android : we'll be kings! and thankfull to runrev!! Because if ever one wants to cover the whole lot of mobiles, javascript and HTML open up : iPhone, webOs, and Blackberry.. another good reason to consider javascript as language n?2 as a complement to xTalk! and B) Also just ONE MORE STEP for the on-rev : the possibility to have closed STACKS instead of opened .irev so that a market can develop there (this is a year long awaited request!) To my view the revWeb plugin is kind of useless road which I would not pursue at great expense, since javascript seems to provide the fuel for webapps now (demos at SproutCore). I must was enthousiastic at first but just cannot make it to rely on that one. I would prefer that a minimal audio/video library be made, like the datagrid enhancement of last year (simple fade in and out, cross fademix, minimal reverb, tone correction and normalization) and possibility to ouput a compressed quicktime format. It is important to be able to produce good quality audio/video by program too since runrev claims to be a media platform. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Thoughts-on-Kevin-s-announcement-tp2172675p2215870.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jerry.daniels at me.com Thu May 13 18:24:49 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 17:24:49 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <1273789009771-2215870.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <15BBA2C5-5B3B-4445-978C-807F5A4FDC2A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273789009771-2215870.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <022FA028-FB4E-433C-8A9A-428961C92C36@me.com> Robert, We are looking at all of the frameworks. We started exploring SproutCore a few weeks ago. With respect to Rodeo, we want to keep our app pages as lean as possible, so use of frameworks will by necessity have to be discrete. Sarah and I have been tuning the Roadmap to bring the release date closer. Having fun with this. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 13, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Robert Mann wrote: > > The recent change in iphone policy and runrev plans have shaken my strategic > tree over here in France. > > So i decided not to wait any longer for the ipad dream, and to launch my > first app as mac and windows desktop !! I also decided to dig javascript as > it has become so central nowadays; being at the heart of webBrowsers. Wanted > to share views on that : > > I identified SproutCore framework and wondered if Jerry is working with that > kind of framework!? > > It seems there is now 3 approaches to javascript-webapps : > - "thin" client (all done on server side, eg that standard dynamic CMS sites > on-rev excells at) > - "fat" client (static HTML5 CSS with lots of Javascript all around that can > directly interact with data servers, like SproutCore) > - and.. a "sportive" approach.. which I thought off with on-rev, which is a > dynamic CMS using .irev scripts the most and as little javascript as > possible, and possibly jQuery scripts to keep cross-browser compatibility... > > .. and that is where RevIgniter, which I found so impressive seem to go! : > > "This version includes a new library, > which lets you write jQuery code for event handling, > animation and Ajax interactions using revTalk." > > Now sproutCOre has a touch librairy and an IDE just out of the oven... and > with phoneGap still being ok with apple new strategy.. it seems like an > interesting doable route for mainstream information orientated iphone apps. > [and we'll soon see what rodeo brings in that arena too!] > > I'll be testing those 2 frameworks shortly and let know.. and of course any > views, maybe on a separate thread? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > as far as the main subject of this thread was... Kevin's annoucement, > > to make it short : I'm ok not to have any money back from the mobile program > (to be crude about it...) BUT I would like A) to get ANDROID mobile instead > of iPhone (seems fair! eventhough i'll ditch my dream regarding iPad). > > If we get maemo, window mobile and android : we'll be kings! and thankfull > to runrev!! Because if ever one wants to cover the whole lot of mobiles, > javascript and HTML open up : iPhone, webOs, and Blackberry.. another good > reason to consider javascript as language n?2 as a complement to xTalk! > > and B) Also just ONE MORE STEP for the on-rev : the possibility to have > closed STACKS instead of opened .irev so that a market can develop there > (this is a year long awaited request!) > > To my view the revWeb plugin is kind of useless road which I would not > pursue at great expense, since javascript seems to provide the fuel for > webapps now (demos at SproutCore). I must was enthousiastic at first but > just cannot make it to rely on that one. > > I would prefer that a minimal audio/video library be made, like the datagrid > enhancement of last year (simple fade in and out, cross fademix, minimal > reverb, tone correction and normalization) and possibility to ouput a > compressed quicktime format. It is important to be able to produce good > quality audio/video by program too since runrev claims to be a media > platform. > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Thoughts-on-Kevin-s-announcement-tp2172675p2215870.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu May 13 18:57:35 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 17:57:35 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <1273789009771-2215870.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <15BBA2C5-5B3B-4445-978C-807F5A4FDC2A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273789009771-2215870.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BEC83DF.4090600@hyperactivesw.com> Robert Mann wrote: > I would like A) to get ANDROID mobile instead of iPhone Yes, that's the plan. Attention is now going to Android and you will see that next. > and B) Also just ONE MORE STEP for the on-rev : the possibility to have > closed STACKS instead of opened .irev I'm not sure what you mean. No one else can see your irev scripts on the server. Can you explain? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu May 13 18:58:55 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 17:58:55 -0500 Subject: Printing in a revlet In-Reply-To: <002d01caf2e0$ca2a5b10$5e7f1130$@com> References: <002d01caf2e0$ca2a5b10$5e7f1130$@com> Message-ID: <4BEC842F.3050500@hyperactivesw.com> Jim Schaubeck wrote: > Is anyone able to tell me how I can have web users print a card or a web > page from a revlet? I get blank pages when using Firefox and card printing > does not work (at least I have not been successful in getting it to work). > I could use a step by step guide if someone knows where to point me. > > HP (AMD Quad),Win7 64, Firefox, Rev Studio 4.0 This came up in the tech queue too and I need to check on it more. But printing doesn't work in Firefox on a Mac either. It does in Safari. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From rabit at dimensionB.de Thu May 13 19:09:40 2010 From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 01:09:40 +0200 Subject: News on revIgniter (05-13-10) In-Reply-To: References: <1BC7D54C-C49B-4C16-B459-4548C02C36CD@dimensionB.de> <6BC32CF2-D621-4B9B-8AA2-4F4071F0C910@mac.com> <328C3FCB-07A4-494E-B04E-C1E2221D3CA0@dimensionB.de> Message-ID: <43F0AE6F-68C6-4132-AB11-9733C2769E76@dimensionB.de> On 14.05.2010, at 00:08, stephen barncard wrote: > Ralf, here's one more thing for newbies to this framework -- > > *Turn off the caching while working on the code*, > otherwise you won't see your changes immediately! > > (this one threw me for a while.) > > outputCache 0 OK, this is code from the sample controller (welcome.irev). It was just meant to give an example of how to cache the page. This line of code is not mandatory, instead of setting the cache to 0 you could also remove it. I will change the comment accordingly. > * > * > *This framework is really great. It's a bundle of extensible, rev-ready CMS > building blocks with just-in-time libraries.* :-) > > *The google "search site" field on the docs does not seem to be happy. Does > this feature require an api key? > * Strange, works on my end. Could you give an example? Ralf From lyn.teyla at gmail.com Thu May 13 19:41:34 2010 From: lyn.teyla at gmail.com (Lyn Teyla) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 01:41:34 +0200 Subject: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? Message-ID: <76D66B1A-2346-4745-8006-46F044288446@gmail.com> Hi guys, revServer runs as an Apache module, not as CGI. However, some of us prefer to utilize the CGI engine for a number of reasons, e.g.: * ability to run CGIs as shell scripts * CGIs work with all web servers, not just Apache Even though the CGI engine has existed through many versions of Rev since v1, it has not been released from v4.0 onwards. We were wondering if there are still plans to continue releasing the CGI engine (not just revServer) in the future? If so, when should we be expecting the next release? Thanks in advance! Best Regards, Lyn From dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk Thu May 13 19:57:21 2010 From: dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk (Douglas) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 00:57:21 +0100 Subject: Androids and Cyborgs In-Reply-To: <4BEBC22D.2080903@gmail.com> References: <4BEBC22D.2080903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BEC91E1.6040503@tiscali.co.uk> Very interesting. They seem to have thought of everything I can think of. Even what looks like a very reasonable Developers Guide on-line. I haven't got any kind of smart phone yet, but this makes it more likely. It runs under the QEMU emulator which is where it gets its cross platform capabilities. I think QEMU itself must have improved a lot since I looked at it last year when it was still command line only! Douglas On 13/05/2010 10:11, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Ooooh, look at this: > > http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/emulator.html > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk Thu May 13 20:24:57 2010 From: dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk (Douglas) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 01:24:57 +0100 Subject: [OT] Licensing question In-Reply-To: <4BEB8F12.5000208@gmail.com> References: <4BEA953E.7080908@gmail.com> <86FF5C34-AB1D-48F7-8D62-A8639E0A9F7D@azurevision.co.uk> <4BEAAD4A.4070408@gmail.com> <00fc01caf230$14a77030$3df65090$@com> <4BEB8F12.5000208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BEC9859.1000008@tiscali.co.uk> But, have you tried to connect to the internet yet? I would suggest that you don't try! If you do, almost the first thing that will happen is the Microsoft phone-home. The original owner will have Activated the serial number on their machine and your machine profile and IP address, (in fact everything that can be checked) does not match. Therefore your installation will instantly become invalid and require you to "Contact Microsoft" It does not matter if it was an upgrade or a full install that the original owner did, you can't de-activate and re-activate elsewhere except through the MS database. This is one of those things that makes me very wary of buying Windows OS's. For example, can you still activate a copy of the now unsupported XP? and if so for how much longer? Some people use old systems just to do a bit of word processing etc. and don't require full updating etc, Security is another matter - just don't go on-line with an old system at all! On 13/05/2010 06:33, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > > Well I got Vista Home Premium running on a P4, 1.7GHz, 512 MB RAM; > and NOT glacially slowly; quite sufficient for my quick test. > > Aloha from Bulgaria. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 13 21:05:02 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 18:05:02 -0700 Subject: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? Message-ID: <4BECA1BE.5010405@fourthworld.com> Lyn Teyla wrote: > revServer runs as an Apache module, not as CGI. I don't believe it's an Apache module. I'm not exactly sure what it is, but when I asked if it was a module per se I was told it was not. That's a good thing, IMO, since it would be next to impossible to install it on a shared host if it were. > However, some of us prefer to utilize the CGI engine > for a number of reasons, e.g.: > > * ability to run CGIs as shell scripts > * CGIs work with all web servers, not just Apache > > Even though the CGI engine has existed through many > versions of Rev since v1, it has not been released from > v4.0 onwards. > > We were wondering if there are still plans to continue > releasing the CGI engine (not just revServer) in the > future? It would be nice to keep it current, but there's little in v4.0 that's not in v3.5 that would be useful in a CGI. But it sure would be nice if RunRev put a link to the v3.5 Linux runtime engine on their site so folks could find it easier. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From josh at dvcreators.net Thu May 13 22:14:12 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:14:12 -0700 Subject: getting the user's (internet, not local network) IP address Message-ID: <60374C7B-824F-4B87-A26E-BFD6B7742FC1@dvcreators.net> Just thought I'd share this in case it was of any use to anyone, and so at least one post on the list is not about Steve Jobs and Apple's tyrannical actions :-) To get the user's (internet, not local network) IP address, put a text file on your server with this code: Then in your app: get url "http://yourdomain.com/folder-you-put-the-php-file-in/your-php-filename.php" Is there a better way? From mikekann at yahoo.com Thu May 13 22:24:19 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: getting the user's (internet, not local network) IP address In-Reply-To: <60374C7B-824F-4B87-A26E-BFD6B7742FC1@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <190737.59060.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> On Windows XP: on mouseUp set the hideConsoleWindows to true put shell("ipconfig") into fld 1 // parse out what you want end mouseUp --- On Thu, 5/13/10, Josh Mellicker wrote: > From: Josh Mellicker > Subject: getting the user's (internet, not local network) IP address > To: "how to use Revolution" > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 9:14 PM > Just thought I'd share this in case > it was of any use to anyone, and so at least one post on the > list is not about Steve Jobs and Apple's tyrannical actions > :-) > > > To get the user's (internet, not local network) IP address, > put a text file on your server with this code: > > > > > Then in your app: > > get url "http://yourdomain.com/folder-you-put-the-php-file-in/your-php-filename.php" > > > Is there a better > way?_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From josh at dvcreators.net Thu May 13 23:15:40 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 20:15:40 -0700 Subject: getting the user's (internet, not local network) IP address In-Reply-To: <190737.59060.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <190737.59060.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6C0C0DD3-BC98-4955-BDA7-901419B6595C@dvcreators.net> Does that get the internet IP or local IP? On Mac, this returns: usage: ipconfig where is one of waitall, getifaddr, ifcount, getoption, getpacket, set, setverbose On May 13, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > On Windows XP: > > on mouseUp > set the hideConsoleWindows to true > put shell("ipconfig") into fld 1 // parse out what you want > end mouseUp > > > > --- On Thu, 5/13/10, Josh Mellicker wrote: > >> From: Josh Mellicker >> Subject: getting the user's (internet, not local network) IP address >> To: "how to use Revolution" >> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 9:14 PM >> Just thought I'd share this in case >> it was of any use to anyone, and so at least one post on the >> list is not about Steve Jobs and Apple's tyrannical actions >> :-) >> >> >> To get the user's (internet, not local network) IP address, >> put a text file on your server with this code: >> >> >> >> >> Then in your app: >> >> get url "http://yourdomain.com/folder-you-put-the-php-file-in/your-php-filename.php" >> >> >> Is there a better >> way?_______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage >> your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jimschaubeck at yahoo.com Fri May 14 00:08:09 2010 From: jimschaubeck at yahoo.com (Jim Schaubeck) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 21:08:09 -0700 Subject: Printing in a revlet In-Reply-To: <4BEC842F.3050500@hyperactivesw.com> References: <002d01caf2e0$ca2a5b10$5e7f1130$@com> <4BEC842F.3050500@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <006b01caf31b$10b51590$321f40b0$@com> Thanks Jacqueline. I do hope that some sort of solution (or even work around) is found for printing within revlets. End users view printing as one of those things that magically just work (can't blame them). However, I know it's harder than it looks. ____________________________ jim schaubeck 714.321.4499 -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 3:59 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Printing in a revlet Jim Schaubeck wrote: > Is anyone able to tell me how I can have web users print a card or a web > page from a revlet? I get blank pages when using Firefox and card printing > does not work (at least I have not been successful in getting it to work). > I could use a step by step guide if someone knows where to point me. > > HP (AMD Quad),Win7 64, Firefox, Rev Studio 4.0 This came up in the tech queue too and I need to check on it more. But printing doesn't work in Firefox on a Mac either. It does in Safari. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri May 14 00:29:06 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 23:29:06 -0500 Subject: Printing in a revlet In-Reply-To: <006b01caf31b$10b51590$321f40b0$@com> References: <002d01caf2e0$ca2a5b10$5e7f1130$@com> <4BEC842F.3050500@hyperactivesw.com> <006b01caf31b$10b51590$321f40b0$@com> Message-ID: <4BECD192.3030607@hyperactivesw.com> Jim Schaubeck wrote: > Thanks Jacqueline. I do hope that some sort of solution (or even work > around) is found for printing within revlets. End users view printing as > one of those things that magically just work (can't blame them). However, I > know it's harder than it looks. The person who submitted a support ticket also said that revlets won't print on IE. Can you confirm? I think I need to write up a bug report and the more info, the better. If anyone else has info about revlet printing on any other browsers/platforms, that'd be good to know too. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From chipp at altuit.com Fri May 14 01:36:38 2010 From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 00:36:38 -0500 Subject: RevIgniter Framework questions Message-ID: Hi all. I was wondering if anyone is using the RevIgniter framework in a production environment and if they wouldn't mind answering a few questions about it? Questions: 1. Does it only work with On-Rev's servers? That's potentially a deal killer. 2. Are there performance bottlenecks with regard to the Rev part, and if so, what are they? 3. How well is it documented and supported? 4. How easy is it for existing RR'ers to learn? 5. What does the available pool of Rev developers look like who could help write apps using it? 6. Are there any obvious security issues? 7. How complete a framework is it? What type of app is it best used for? 8. How much Javascript does one have to know in order to use this? Any insight would be much appreciated! Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com Fri May 14 01:41:01 2010 From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 08:41:01 +0300 Subject: German & French not liked by Valentina DB & Rev ? In-Reply-To: <4BEC6DF2.5010408@whitelotus.on-rev.com> Message-ID: On 14/5/10 12:24 AM, "Christian Langers" wrote: Hi Christian, Some points. * you can try open that database using Vstudio. And see if inside chars are correct. Also you can ad some records using vstudio and see if THAT records shown fine in REV * you may need use db.Locale property * db is local? Without VServer? > I'm trying to feed my Valentina Db fields with text. When using English, > no problem. But when using German or French, pfff.. > > The main problem are the Umlauts (?,?,?,...) or french chars (?,?,?...). > As I read in the docs, rev fields are storing text in UTF16. Valentina > is storing text in UTF16 too. So normally there should be no problems > when storing text from REV into Valentina. > But when retrieving the saved text from the DB, that gives me scrambled > chars instead of the ?,?,?,?,.... > > Does anybody have a solution to that ? > > I'm working on an Intel Mac, REV 4.5 DP3, Valentina 4.6, using SQLYoga... -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From jrosat at mac.com Fri May 14 03:06:20 2010 From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 09:06:20 +0200 Subject: German & French not liked by Valentina DB & Rev ? In-Reply-To: <4BEC6DF2.5010408@whitelotus.on-rev.com> References: <4BEC6DF2.5010408@whitelotus.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <24E06C1E-A0DF-44ED-9D60-500B4CE9EEC1@mac.com> Christian, Try using: set the unicodeText of [chunk of] field to unicodeString J?r?me Gen?ve Le 13 mai 2010 ? 23:24, Christian Langers a ?crit : > Hi, > > I'm trying to feed my Valentina Db fields with text. When using English, no problem. But when using German or French, pfff.. > > The main problem are the Umlauts (?,?,?,...) or french chars (?,?,?...). As I read in the docs, rev fields are storing text in UTF16. Valentina is storing text in UTF16 too. So normally there should be no problems when storing text from REV into Valentina. > But when retrieving the saved text from the DB, that gives me scrambled chars instead of the ?,?,?,?,.... > > Does anybody have a solution to that ? > > I'm working on an Intel Mac, REV 4.5 DP3, Valentina 4.6, using SQLYoga... > > Thanks for any advice, > > Christian > Luxembourg > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri May 14 03:07:17 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 00:07:17 -0700 Subject: RevIgniter Framework questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13 May 2010 22:36, Chipp Walters wrote: > Hi all. I was wondering if anyone is using the RevIgniter framework in a > production environment and if they wouldn't mind answering a few questions > about it? > > Questions: > > 1. Does it only work with On-Rev's servers? That's potentially a deal > killer. > yes because the programming you use is still 100% Revolution. Hopefully the Rev server product will be set free soon. There are pieces in the framework that are done with PHP and javascript, but all the developer has to use is revtalk and HTML. > 2. Are there performance bottlenecks with regard to the Rev part, and if > so, what are they? > Not really, it has intelligent caching and loads only the libs needed just in time > 3. How well is it documented and supported? > Extremely well documented - looks like a team did it. Plenty of examples. > 4. How easy is it for existing RR'ers to learn? > very easy, once one gets the concept: *Model - View - Controller* > 5. What does the available pool of Rev developers look like who could help > write apps using it? > ?? anyone > 6. Are there any obvious security issues? > It appears to be something that was thought a great deal about. The author obviously is an expert and has worked to ensure this framework is secure. There is an air of quality and professionalism to the code and docs. The examples work. > 7. How complete a framework is it? What type of app is it best used for? > I was having a hard time finding stuff it couldn't do, and if it couldn't , it would be easy to accomplish. It's for web apps, web sites, a CMS toolkit. > 8. How much Javascript does one have to know in order to use this? > None. I just really got started with this today, but once I got how it worked, I got endless ideas about how to use it. My words are inadequate - you should consider actually taking it out for a spin. Chipp, it takes very little time to download and install it. Just create a new subdomain at On-Rev and put all the decompressed zip file in there. The docs are built in. > > Any insight would be much appreciated! > > > Chipp Walters > CEO, Shafer Walters Group, > Inc_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Fri May 14 04:43:19 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 09:43:19 +0100 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <1273789009771-2215870.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <15BBA2C5-5B3B-4445-978C-807F5A4FDC2A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273789009771-2215870.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Pretty much agree with everything you say here Robert - especially about revWeb - community provided JavaScript integration libraries are what we need. On 13 May 2010 23:16, Robert Mann wrote: > > The recent change in iphone policy and runrev plans have shaken my > strategic > tree over here in France. > > So i decided not to wait any longer for the ipad dream, and to launch my > first app as mac and windows desktop !! I also decided to dig javascript as > it has become so central nowadays; being at the heart of webBrowsers. > Wanted > to share views on that : > > I identified SproutCore framework and wondered if Jerry is working with > that > kind of framework!? > > It seems there is now 3 approaches to javascript-webapps : > - "thin" client (all done on server side, eg that standard dynamic CMS > sites > on-rev excells at) > - "fat" client (static HTML5 CSS with lots of Javascript all around that > can > directly interact with data servers, like SproutCore) > - and.. a "sportive" approach.. which I thought off with on-rev, which is a > dynamic CMS using .irev scripts the most and as little javascript as > possible, and possibly jQuery scripts to keep cross-browser > compatibility... > > .. and that is where RevIgniter, which I found so impressive seem to go! : > > "This version includes a new library, > which lets you write jQuery code for event handling, > animation and Ajax interactions using revTalk." > > Now sproutCOre has a touch librairy and an IDE just out of the oven... and > with phoneGap still being ok with apple new strategy.. it seems like an > interesting doable route for mainstream information orientated iphone apps. > [and we'll soon see what rodeo brings in that arena too!] > > I'll be testing those 2 frameworks shortly and let know.. and of course any > views, maybe on a separate thread? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > as far as the main subject of this thread was... Kevin's annoucement, > > to make it short : I'm ok not to have any money back from the mobile > program > (to be crude about it...) BUT I would like A) to get ANDROID mobile instead > of iPhone (seems fair! eventhough i'll ditch my dream regarding iPad). > > If we get maemo, window mobile and android : we'll be kings! and thankfull > to runrev!! Because if ever one wants to cover the whole lot of mobiles, > javascript and HTML open up : iPhone, webOs, and Blackberry.. another good > reason to consider javascript as language n?2 as a complement to xTalk! > > and B) Also just ONE MORE STEP for the on-rev : the possibility to have > closed STACKS instead of opened .irev so that a market can develop there > (this is a year long awaited request!) > > To my view the revWeb plugin is kind of useless road which I would not > pursue at great expense, since javascript seems to provide the fuel for > webapps now (demos at SproutCore). I must was enthousiastic at first but > just cannot make it to rely on that one. > > I would prefer that a minimal audio/video library be made, like the > datagrid > enhancement of last year (simple fade in and out, cross fademix, minimal > reverb, tone correction and normalization) and possibility to ouput a > compressed quicktime format. It is important to be able to produce good > quality audio/video by program too since runrev claims to be a media > platform. > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Thoughts-on-Kevin-s-announcement-tp2172675p2215870.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Fri May 14 05:19:58 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 11:19:58 +0200 Subject: [data grid] can't hide one of the scrollbar In-Reply-To: References: <1A0CA915-180C-4FC7-8EFB-A997E77ABAEB@inria.fr> Message-ID: <709D2C77-4F4A-4480-AC2C-E3AE6BAA6055@inria.fr> Le 14 mai 10 ? 00:01, zryip theSlug a ?crit : > 2010/5/13 Andre.Bisseret : >> Bonjour, >> >> In a brand new stack I put a button whose script is : >> ----------------- >> on mouseUp >> local DGRef, >> ------- >> copy group "DataGrid" of group "Templates" of stack >> "revDataGridLibrary" >> to this card >> put it into DGRef >> set the dgProp["show hScrollBar"] of DGRef to "false" >> set the dgProp["show vScrollBar"] of DGRef to "false" >> end mouseUp >> ----------------- >> then, the V scroll bar remains visible >> >> If I invert the order of the 2 last lines then it is the H scroll >> bar which >> remains visible >> >> In other words, the last line is not executed >> >> What am I doing wrong? >> >> >> Best regards from Grenoble >> >> Andr? > > Bonjour Andr?, > > Not helpful here, but I've tested this and I encounter the same > behavior. > I have tried different ways to avoid it but with no result. > > By testing content of the dgProp["show hScrollBar"] and the > dgProp["show vScrollBar"] immediately after the code, the first > property is set to false, the second is set to empty. > > I have tried with a delay and a refresh command, however with no > result. I also tried that > > > Odds Yes! > Bonjour Zryip, Thanks for your attention I made other trials. Seems that it is necessary to populate the dataGrid before hiding the 2 scrollbars Trying to hide the 2 scrollbars after having only set headers for example does not works (the second scrollbar keeps being visible) But it is possible to hide the 2 scrollbars after having populated the datagrid, even without setting headers first (that is keeping "Col 1, Col 2 etc) Don't understand why! ;-)) Sure Trevor will explain that Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From p.williams at alkazar.net Fri May 14 05:19:48 2010 From: p.williams at alkazar.net (Paul Williams) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 10:19:48 +0100 Subject: Pointer Tool Message-ID: <4BED23C4.8933.44B7E75@p.williams.alkazar.net> This is driving me crazy. XP crashed in the middle of an editing session in enterprise and when the pc recovered the pointer tool when selected from the tools pallette is now a blacksquare with a white cross in the middle instead of the standard default arrow. How can I restore the default arrow/cursor on the pointer tool? Thanks Paul From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri May 14 06:13:39 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 12:13:39 +0200 Subject: Pointer Tool In-Reply-To: <4BED23C4.8933.44B7E75@p.williams.alkazar.net> References: <4BED23C4.8933.44B7E75@p.williams.alkazar.net> Message-ID: <323AE63F-893A-4BE2-8CA6-A777496703D5@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Paul, I have seen similar issues on very old Mac systems (Classic) and once in a while on Windows. What have you done to get the pointer tool back again? Have you restarted the computer again? Ran a Windows repair session (I think you'll need your Windows license key for that)? Re- installed RR? Which version of RR do you have? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html On 14 mei 2010, at 11:19, Paul Williams wrote: > This is driving me crazy. > > XP crashed in the middle of an editing session in enterprise and > when the > pc recovered the pointer tool when selected from the tools pallette > is now a > blacksquare with a white cross in the middle instead of the standard > default > arrow. > > How can I restore the default arrow/cursor on the pointer tool? > > Thanks > > Paul From jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr Fri May 14 06:25:55 2010 From: jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Pierre Soto) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 12:25:55 +0200 Subject: Resize stack ... Message-ID: <8D73AA79-3358-4CDD-B741-5342A5BD9A80@wanadoo.fr> Hello, is there a way for user to resize stack when the decoration of this stack is set to empty. Jean-Pierre From email at robert-marquardt.com Fri May 14 06:34:28 2010 From: email at robert-marquardt.com (Robert Marquardt) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 12:34:28 +0200 Subject: Runtime Revolution? Message-ID: <5626ACC6-3145-47A6-88E4-63398848B4D7@robert-marquardt.com> Hello everyone, I talked with Christian Schmitz of monkeybreadsoftware.de today. He developed many well-know plugins for Realbasic and FileMaker. If someone needs a custom plugin here: http://www.mbsplugins.de/archive/2010-05-14/Runtime_Revolution is your chance to bring Christian to Runtime Revolution. Robert From rman at free.fr Fri May 14 06:38:34 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 03:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <4BEC83DF.4090600@hyperactivesw.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <15BBA2C5-5B3B-4445-978C-807F5A4FDC2A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273789009771-2215870.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BEC83DF.4090600@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1273833514434-2216388.post@n4.nabble.com> Jacqueline, let me take a precise example.. i'took a license for sygodact. It's an "old" CGI stack. So I had to install an "old" runrev engine in the CGI folder. It would be simpler if the new on-rev engine accepted stacks like the old one : - It would make it easier for you to promote Zygodact. It would allow revIgniter to sell his what seems (not yet digged into it enough) great framework. And Andre Garzia to promote a nice tutorial about the basic of CMS. And thus creating a kind of market because others might like/want to produce nice tools... that would in the end make it easier for the whole lot to produce more things. I do beleive that sharing things here and there and "selling" libraries at a reasonnable "friendly" price is a great benefit for all of us potentially. - Lastly, if I go and see a potential client, and promote the on-rev server technology offering to build their site. I'd rather leave on their server my work as a protected stack rather than a bunch of .irev files, with which I'm happy on my personnal on-rev sand box server. Until then on-rev will only be useful for developpers themselves or their hosted clients sites. It smells a little bit "closed shop". I personnaly would hesitate as a client to be locked in 100%. Unless you present it no more as site building and hosting but as a "communication on the web service" like Rod?o.. ! But I beleive that there is a nice intermediate niche of CMS sites to be really adapted to users but more efficiently with on-rev xtalk. And for that having irev-cgi stacks running on on-rev servers would be, for me, the starter sign! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Thoughts-on-Kevin-s-announcement-tp2172675p2216388.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri May 14 07:14:41 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 13:14:41 +0200 Subject: Resize stack ... In-Reply-To: <8D73AA79-3358-4CDD-B741-5342A5BD9A80@wanadoo.fr> References: <8D73AA79-3358-4CDD-B741-5342A5BD9A80@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <6ABC3168-27D3-40DF-9E2F-8432EC0C1157@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Jean-Pierre, Create a button with the following script: on mouseDown put item 1 of the loc of me - the mouseH into myDif1 put item 2 of the loc of me - the mouseV into myDif2 repeat until the mouse is up set the loc of me to the mouseH + myDif1,the mouseV + myDif2 put the topleft of this stack & comma & item 1 of the topleft of this stack \ + item 1 of the bottomright of me & comma & item 2 of the topleft \ of this stack + item 2 of the bottomright of me into myNewRect set the rect of this stack to myNewRect end repeat end mouseDown -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 14 mei 2010, at 12:25, Jean-Pierre Soto wrote: > Hello, > > is there a way for user to resize stack when the decoration of this > stack is set to empty. > > Jean-Pierre From rman at free.fr Fri May 14 07:16:23 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 04:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Runtime Revolution? In-Reply-To: <5626ACC6-3145-47A6-88E4-63398848B4D7@robert-marquardt.com> References: <5626ACC6-3145-47A6-88E4-63398848B4D7@robert-marquardt.com> Message-ID: <1273835783787-2216427.post@n4.nabble.com> For info I just left this message on his site.. i'm pretty sure we would be quite a few people intresting in such a library ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi I got your contact through Robert Marquardt on the revolution nabble list. It seems that you could be interested in building some libraries for runrev?! I just wanted to let you know of a runrev "hole" that would call for an external library to deal with basic audio functions. -- runrev uses quicktimes, and just allow to play and record, full stop. -- a quicktime external "enhanced" library does add a quite a lot of functions. But it is mostly targeted at video. Example : the transition filter does not seem to deal with the audio channels.. so no audio fade in an out. Up to now it is the great and only existing sound library for runrev, thanks to Trevor de Vore. Sound quality is something important to users, even unconsciously it brings a sense of quality. Se we miss just a few basic sound functions like : A to enhance quality of recorded wave files : - fade in / fade out - cross mix fade in and out - normalization - a simple basic reverb/echo combined for voice/music with basic setting ==> Just that would be a really nice helper that could let you test the runrev world! B to output mp3 (so far we have to use lame which is great, but, implies installing that on each computer... an included plugin would be much more simple and reduce risks of support issues) C ?? if hunger for .. basic mix functions between deifferent sound files, opening up a new era for runrev for music tools... There are a few people who have done a few great music programs already on runrev. The challenge is that a runrev library has to be ok in Os X and windows.. and possibly linux.. ! have a good day from France, Robert Maniquant -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Runtime-Revolution-tp2216382p2216427.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Fri May 14 07:43:46 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 12:43:46 +0100 Subject: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? In-Reply-To: <4BECA1BE.5010405@fourthworld.com> References: <4BECA1BE.5010405@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On 14 May 2010 02:05, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Lyn Teyla wrote: > > revServer runs as an Apache module, not as CGI. >> > > I don't believe it's an Apache module. I'm not exactly sure what it is, > but when I asked if it was a module per se I was told it was not. That's a > good thing, IMO, since it would be next to impossible to install it on a > shared host if it were. > I'd like to know as well - personally I fear ti will be worse than that and the revServer that you can install will be a complete integrated server that you will need you own dedicated server for - in which case it would be impossible to install on a shared host, and worse still pretty unlikely that existing hosting providers could be talked into installing it (which they might if it were an Apache module with appropriate security audit / certification). I don't know this to be the case - but nothing said so far publicly indicates anything other than the equivalent of "a company could freely install it to run their own server". Or does anyone know anything different? From rman at free.fr Fri May 14 07:49:14 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 04:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [audio] Call for an updated enhanced quicktime audio library or a small audio complementary library! Message-ID: <1273837754183-2216458.post@n4.nabble.com> We have a runrev "hole" that would call for an external library regarding basic audio functions : -- runrev uses quicktimes, and just allow to play and record, full stop. -- a quicktime external "enhanced" library does add a quite a lot of functions. But it is mostly targeted at video. Example : the transition filter does not seem to deal with the audio channels.. so no audio fade in or fade out. Up to now it is the great and only existing sound library for runrev, thanks to Trevor Devore. It took me quite a while to come up with a solution to record sounds and concatenate them and then output a mp3 file. The only decent solution I found was to record wave, transcode in mp3 using lame and then re-transform into .mov with trevor devore eQt lib, to finally import a compact internal audio file in the form of a movie, since internally runrev does not read mp3, and finally destroy the intermediate files... pfffff!!! The next person that talls me that runrev reduces programming by an order of x10... i'll ask to demonstrate with what should be a simple task like that!! for me it was more like complication of x100 magnitude because I nearly found the no solution wall, and frankly, this is not satisfactory to deploy. And there is more now : Sound quality is something important to users, even unconsciously it brings a sense of quality. Se we miss just a few basic sound functions like : A) to enhance quality of recorded wave files : 1- fade in / fade out 2- cross mix fade in and out between two or more files. 3- normalization 4- a simple basic reverb/echo combined for voice/music with basic setting ==> Just 1) and 2/ would already be great to deal with recorded material within runrev ! B) to output mp3 (so far we have to use lame which is great, but, implies installing that on each computer... an included plugin would be much more simple and reduce risks of support issues) C) ?? if hunger for .. basic mix functions between deifferent sound files, opening up a new era for runrev for music tools... D) some in depth tools like a library to open up a wave file extract content and make it possible to add expand audio libraries in xTalk. There was an revOline stack that showed how to do that already, but outlined one need basic quicker library functions to make it operationnal. I personnaly do not have the competence to do that, otherwise I sure would! Some of you and some french folks in particular, have made some great audio work already using runrev. I do believe that runrev could attract more of that music and sound NRJ. And I personnaly would of course pay for such libraries, if that cost can be shared (smile.. to sell it back tu runrev afeter??!!) Any thought welcomed... -- possibly to confirm the need for that (Am I all alone there??! smile!) -- help target (what do we really need as a whole) ?? -- help set up something to make it happen (hunger strike at runrev or pre-ordering to an interesting party?) So long from France! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/audio-Call-for-an-updated-enhanced-quicktime-audio-library-or-a-small-audio-complementary-library-tp2216458p2216458.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From revolution at derbrill.de Fri May 14 07:50:37 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 13:50:37 +0200 Subject: Runtime Revolution? In-Reply-To: <20100414170005.AD5E1288325@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100414170005.AD5E1288325@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: added my 2 cents: ---- Hi, I think it would be wonderful to have a multichannel audio library that worked cross platform. Basic features like loading / unloading multiple soundfiles and play them back on different sound channels. If there were basic mixing and effect capabilities that would be awesome and I for sure would be interested (and quite some others too I assume) What would be crucial is, that it would NOT rely on Quicktime as a playback engine. And also plays (and maybe exports) compressed audio formats. All the best, Malte CEO derbrill Multimedia http://www.derbrill.de -- All the best, Malte From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Fri May 14 08:03:21 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 14:03:21 +0200 Subject: OT: [Mac OSX] Is it possible to have Dashcode 2 and Dashcode 3 on the same Machine? Message-ID: Hi all, i want to play around a little bit with QuickConnectiPhone (a javascript framework). But for that i need Dashcode 2 on my machine, because the templates of QuickConnectiPhone are only Dascode 2 compatible. Does anymone know, if it is possible to have Xocde SDKs installed on the same machine. Do i have to install it just into an other folder? Any help is appreciated. Regards, Matthias From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri May 14 08:13:30 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 05:13:30 -0700 Subject: Runtime Revolution? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > I think it would be wonderful to have a multichannel audio library that worked > cross platform. Basic features like loading / unloading multiple soundfiles > and play them back on different sound channels. If there were basic mixing and > effect capabilities that would be awesome and I for sure would be interested > (and quite some others too I assume) What would be crucial is, that it would > NOT rely on Quicktime as a playback engine. And also plays (and maybe exports) > compressed audio formats. Not sure where this is supposed to go, but don't forget seamless looping and simultaneous start/stop of multiple sounds (not "start channel, start channel 2...", etc). Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From p.williams at alkazar.net Fri May 14 08:23:50 2010 From: p.williams at alkazar.net (Paul Williams) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 13:23:50 +0100 Subject: Pointer Tool Message-ID: <4BED4EE6.22898.4F3FA3B@p.williams.alkazar.net> Hi Mark thanks for the comment, XP restarted OK, no problems with any other software and a virus/trojan scan shows all clear. The rev version is 4.5.0 - dp-3 I havent tried to re-install rev yet, is this the only option, I was wondering if there was a configuration within rev that I can change. I have restarted XP(pro) and run rev a number of times but the pointer tool is still wrong. Paul > Hi Paul, > > I have seen similar issues on very old Mac systems (Classic) and once > in a while on Windows. What have you done to get the pointer tool back > again? Have you restarted the computer again? Ran a Windows repair > session (I think you'll need your Windows license key for that)? Re- > installed RR? Which version of RR do you have? > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a > quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > > On 14 mei 2010, at 11:19, Paul Williams wrote: > > > This is driving me crazy. > > > > XP crashed in the middle of an editing session in enterprise and > > when the > > pc recovered the pointer tool when selected from the tools pallette > > is now a > > blacksquare with a white cross in the middle instead of the standard > > default > > arrow. > > > > How can I restore the default arrow/cursor on the pointer tool? > > > > Thanks > > > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ------- End of forwarded message ------- From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri May 14 08:40:56 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 05:40:56 -0700 Subject: [audio] Call for an updated enhanced quicktime audio library or a small audio complementary library! In-Reply-To: <1273837754183-2216458.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Recently, Robert Mann wrote: > Sound quality is something important to users, even unconsciously it brings > a sense of quality. Se we miss just a few basic sound functions like : > > A) to enhance quality of recorded wave files : > 1- fade in / fade out > 2- cross mix fade in and out between two or more files. > 3- normalization > 4- a simple basic reverb/echo combined for voice/music with basic setting > > ==> Just 1) and 2/ would already be great to deal with recorded material > within runrev ! You are right, in general better audio support is desperately needed. But if I understand what you are asking for, both 1 and 2 of the above can be done, if you can use player objects. To crossfade, you assign audio to each player, and set the playLoudness of one player to the opposite of the other. For example, using a scrollbar with start/end values of 0/100: on scrollbarDrag N set playLoudness of player 1 to N set playLoudness of player 2 to (100 - N) end scrollbarDrag Again, this will only work with player objects, not imported WAV files. Fade in/out is the same: simply set the playLoudness of a player to a value from 0 to 100 using a repeat loop. The bigger issue is synchronized start/stop of the players. Apologies if I misunderstood what you are trying to do. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri May 14 09:02:37 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:02:37 +0200 Subject: Pointer Tool In-Reply-To: <4BED4EE6.22898.4F3FA3B@p.williams.alkazar.net> References: <4BED4EE6.22898.4F3FA3B@p.williams.alkazar.net> Message-ID: <5529ED0E-FE5B-414F-8A00-A3D9D5384611@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Paul, Mabye, the file that contains the point cursor has been corrupted or is no longer readable. A re-install of RunRev might be the easiest thing to do and therefore the first I'd try. If this doesn't work, I'd try running an older version of RunRev first, just to see what happens. What happens if you set the defaultCursor to 1? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 14 mei 2010, at 14:23, Paul Williams wrote: > Hi Mark > thanks for the comment, XP restarted OK, no problems with any other > software and a virus/trojan scan shows all clear. The rev version > is 4.5.0 - > dp-3 I havent tried to re-install rev yet, is this the only option, > I was > wondering if there was a configuration within rev that I can > change. I have > restarted XP(pro) and run rev a number of times but the pointer > tool is still > wrong. > > Paul > > From p.williams at alkazar.net Fri May 14 09:15:16 2010 From: p.williams at alkazar.net (Paul Williams) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 14:15:16 +0100 Subject: Pointer Tool In-Reply-To: <5529ED0E-FE5B-414F-8A00-A3D9D5384611@economy-x-talk.com> References: <4BED4EE6.22898.4F3FA3B@p.williams.alkazar.net>, <5529ED0E-FE5B-414F-8A00-A3D9D5384611@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <4BED5AF4.21861.5230F46@p.williams.alkazar.net> Hi Mark a reinstall of rev in a new directory has fixed the problem, as I thought it would. Thanks for confirming there was no config option which is what I was searching for in vain. Paul > Hi Paul, > > Mabye, the file that contains the point cursor has been corrupted or > is no longer readable. A re-install of RunRev might be the easiest > thing to do and therefore the first I'd try. If this doesn't work, I'd > try running an older version of RunRev first, just to see what happens. > > What happens if you set the defaultCursor to 1? > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a > quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and > share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 14 mei 2010, at 14:23, Paul Williams wrote: > > > Hi Mark > > thanks for the comment, XP restarted OK, no problems with any other > > software and a virus/trojan scan shows all clear. The rev version > > is 4.5.0 - > > dp-3 I havent tried to re-install rev yet, is this the only option, > > I was > > wondering if there was a configuration within rev that I can > > change. I have > > restarted XP(pro) and run rev a number of times but the pointer > > tool is still > > wrong. > > > > Paul > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rman at free.fr Fri May 14 09:21:20 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 06:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [audio] Call for an updated enhanced quicktime audio library or a small audio complementary library! In-Reply-To: References: <1273837754183-2216458.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1273843280209-2216570.post@n4.nabble.com> Thanks for particiapting, and... Good point...! I do not precisely remember having tried this cross fade trick. Have you? So far, i understood that the playLoudness would fix the general system loudness. So that... you could not really cross fade, but only fade in succession : fade out - from 100 to nill - fade in back from nil to 100. And this does leave a real bad hole in perception! I'll give it a go to make sure.. for the record. >> Again, this will only work with player objects, not imported WAV files. This implies again to make a copy of the files to the hard disk, with possible problems if user hard quits, leaving rubbish behind. But again so far the only solution it seems! >> The bigger issue is synchronized start/stop of the players. In my project I'm dealing with small chunks of voice recordings. So so mix'in and out is really short. I will try it that way though. ++ the idea would be to do the fade in and out just once and record the audio chunks as such, thus applying audio effects on the files, and keep them nicely in the stack, hence the call for an audio library applying effects on wave files, before playing with the player. + Ideally if runrev supported an open source compressed format we could deal with quite a lot more audio within the stacks, not relying solely on quicktime. We can always output to quicktime at the final stage, but we would need some more independant way of housing in a stack compressed audio. And this should not be too difficult as these open standards exist. AAC could be a good move, for its widespread use and on mobiles too (android), thought there may be some license requirements. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding We are soon going to face an "interesting (!)" sad situation : we're going to have better audio functions on mobile platforms than on runrev desktops.... time to pull the alarm trigger! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/audio-Call-for-an-updated-enhanced-quicktime-audio-library-or-a-small-audio-complementary-library-tp2216458p2216570.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Fri May 14 09:26:38 2010 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 14:26:38 +0100 Subject: Zombie Win icon In-Reply-To: <20100512212220.51F6C2888C2@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100512212220.51F6C2888C2@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: On 12 May 2010, at 10:22 pm, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > I don't know the exact answer, but I've never encountered the problem because I always save standalones into a new folder, and I never replace older ones in a folder with newer builds. I just toss the entire old folder and use the new one. So maybe that's the quick solution. > > Alternately, if the thumbs.db file is the culprit, you could try just deleting that. That should force the OS to read the embedded icons in the app instead. OK. It seems that I couldn't find the Thumbs.db file because Vista doesn't have them! "In Windows Vista Thumbs.db file has been replaced by a number of "thumbcache_xxx.db" files which are now located within a user's profile at \Users\\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Explorer" The zombie icon symptom is normal behaviour for the system: "...when a graphic is viewed and an entry made for it in the database, it is maintained indefinitely by the operating system. If the file is deleted, the image will remain unless the file or the entire folder are deleted." Local Thumbs.db and the finder.dat files have irritated me in the past, and tripped up some of my scripts. However, suddenly they seem quite sensible compared with a giant, unmodifiable central database. So. In short. Don't do what I did, do what Jacqueline does. (Actually, a good general rule in matters Rev) David Glasgow From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Fri May 14 10:02:45 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:02:45 +0100 Subject: OT: Adobe's New Anti Apple Ads Message-ID: Just for fun :) - Adobe starts Anti Apple Ad campaign - Adobe's reply to Mr Jobs - Adobe on "openness" - And Microsoft don't like Flash either? From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri May 14 10:08:19 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 10:08:19 -0400 Subject: OT: [Mac OSX] Is it possible to have Dashcode 2 and Dashcode 3 on the same Machine? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69F945A8-A58E-490C-8D75-05257410787A@mac.com> Matthias, I keep a copy of each of two versions of xcode on my machine but the Developer folder is blessed so I have to keep one of the copies on a separate hard drive and delete the other when working with them. I tried just renaming them and keeping both at the same time but since the root path is so inherent in most of the functionality of the dev tools I ran into trouble. I installed the full product then copied it to an external hard drive. I then installed the other version and copied that to the external drive as well renamed so I would know which was which. Then when I need to dev in one I copy that one over named correctly and start using it. Not the best solution but it worked for me. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 On May 14, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote: > Hi all, > > i want to play around a little bit with QuickConnectiPhone (a javascript framework). But for that i need Dashcode 2 on my machine, because the templates of QuickConnectiPhone are only Dascode 2 compatible. > > Does anymone know, if it is possible to have Xocde SDKs installed on the same machine. Do i have to install it just into an other folder? Any help is appreciated. > > Regards, > > Matthias_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri May 14 10:11:49 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 07:11:49 -0700 Subject: OT: Adobe's New Anti Apple Ads Message-ID: <4BED5A25.2070802@fourthworld.com> David Bovill wrote: ... > - And Microsoft don't like Flash > either? Portions of that statement have been used by many Apple advocates as "confirming" that Microsoft feels the same about Flash as Steve Jobs does. But the headline of that article, "Microsoft on Flash: What Steve Said", doesn't tell the whole story. It seems Microsoft is playing it down the middle, a useful strategic position for them, as evidenced by the portion of their statement that doesn't get as much airplay in Mac advocacy venues: Despite these issues, Flash remains an important part of delivering a good consumer experience on today?s Web. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From rabit at dimensionB.de Fri May 14 10:29:40 2010 From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 16:29:40 +0200 Subject: RevIgniter Framework questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4845A73B-1858-4CD6-B776-64D86840F563@dimensionB.de> On 14.05.2010, at 07:36, Chipp Walters wrote: > Hi all. I was wondering if anyone is using the RevIgniter framework in a production environment and if they wouldn't mind answering a few questions about it? > > Questions: > > 1. Does it only work with On-Rev's servers? That's potentially a deal killer. As we all know, as long as the server version of Revolution is not available for other web servers, irev is bound to On-Rev servers. This currently applies to all irev driven frameworks like Andre's RevSpark and revIgniter. But, as stated in the FAQ this will change: "There will be editions of Rev Server Scripting technology available for other web servers in the future ?" This is something I counted on as I decided to build revIgniter and I think this is crucial for irev to become widespread and to build a market around it. > 2. Are there performance bottlenecks with regard to the Rev part, and if so, what are they? revIgniter lets you cache your pages in order to achieve maximum performance. There is database caching too, dynamic component loading, there are hook points, which permit you to use your own cache display mechanism, and there is a benchmark library, which helps in optimizing your site regarding speed. As a side note: The benchmark tag is not cached so you can still view your page load speed even when caching is enabled. > 3. How well is it documented and supported? To form a view on this subject you are invited to check the user guide. > 4. How easy is it for existing RR'ers to learn? Once you have got the idea of refIgniter's approach to separate logic from presentation, it is merely writing rev code as you are accustomed to. Of course, some knowledge of web technology is required. > 5. What does the available pool of Rev developers look like who could help write apps using it? There are no reliable numbers, but we should keep in mind, that the server version of Revolution is still in alpha state, so it is not available for other web servers and this means, that currently the acceptance and therefor the user base for revIgniter may be limited. > 6. Are there any obvious security issues? revIgniter comes with a Cross Site Scripting Hack prevention filter, which can either run automatically to filter all POST and COOKIE data that is encountered, or you can run it on a per item basis. Form validation is implemented too. > 7. How complete a framework is it? What type of app is it best used for? There are still features not published mainly due to shortcomings of the server engine. Example: trackback/pingback needs socket connection. So, as long as sockets are not supported there will be no Trackback library. Apart from that, revIgniter can be easily extended through the use of plugins, libraries or system hooks. > 8. How much Javascript does one have to know in order to use this? If you would like to use the revIgniter's jQuery library to build jQuery code you need to make yourself familiar with jQuery and JavaScript to some degree, otherwise forget about it. > > Any insight would be much appreciated! Hope this helps. Ralf From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri May 14 10:39:45 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:39:45 +0300 Subject: OT: Adobe's New Anti Apple Ads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BED60B1.7050201@gmail.com> On 14/05/2010 17:02, David Bovill wrote: > Just for fun :) > > - Adobe starts Anti Apple Ad > campaign > - Adobe's reply to Mr Jobs > - Adobe on "openness" > - And Microsoft don't like Flash > either? I just had time to have a quick read of Number 1: I mean, talk about the pot calling the kettle black: If it weren't for the fact that Apple and Adobe are socking great companies wielding I-don'y-know-how-much financial clout it would look like 2 boys in a playground fighting over which one of them is a liar; i.e. all rather childish. Neither company have got a leg to stand on when they start talking about: "open markets and an open Web" for 'open' read 'controlled by Adobe's stuff' or 'controlled by Apple's stuff'; I say "stuff them both" and "go west young man" to the land of Linux and Open Source; while it may not be to everybody's taste, at least the word 'open' is not being resemanticised quicker than you can guess the colour of Steve Jobs' underpants . . . :) Hey; I tell you one thing; I reckon I've got an even chance on they're not being 'Adobe Red'. And I would suppose the boss of Adobe goes without as all is "Air". From tkuypers at telenet.be Fri May 14 10:54:12 2010 From: tkuypers at telenet.be (tkuypers at telenet.be) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 16:54:12 +0200 Subject: Another Revlets question... Message-ID: <18A7FFC9-8B5A-4519-AABE-DF3DCE16338D@telenet.be> Am I correct to assue that the command go to stack "The is the second stack" does not work in a Revlet? I created a Mainstack with one button, containing the above code, but nothing happens when I click on it in the Revlet. Locally it works fine of course.... Tried this in 4.0 and 4.5, same result :-( Met vriendelijke groeten, Warm Regards, Ton Kuypers +32 (0) 477 739 530 Aardbemden 11 ? B-2400 ? Mol ? Belgium www.publishingtools4u.com From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri May 14 11:01:32 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:01:32 +0200 Subject: Another Revlets question... In-Reply-To: <18A7FFC9-8B5A-4519-AABE-DF3DCE16338D@telenet.be> References: <18A7FFC9-8B5A-4519-AABE-DF3DCE16338D@telenet.be> Message-ID: <0E974254-B704-4201-B8F2-C2D6D1DD0B48@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Ton, You might try: go to stack "The is the second stack" in the window of this stack -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 14 mei 2010, at 16:54, tkuypers at telenet.be wrote: > Am I correct to assue that the command > go to stack "The is the second stack" > does not work in a Revlet? > > I created a Mainstack with one button, containing the above code, > but nothing happens when I click on it in the Revlet. Locally it > works fine of course.... > Tried this in 4.0 and 4.5, same result :-( > > Met vriendelijke groeten, > Warm Regards, > > > Ton Kuypers > +32 (0) 477 739 530 > > Aardbemden 11 ? B-2400 ? Mol ? Belgium > www.publishingtools4u.com From tkuypers at telenet.be Fri May 14 11:04:58 2010 From: tkuypers at telenet.be (tkuypers at telenet.be) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:04:58 +0200 Subject: Another Revlets question... In-Reply-To: <0E974254-B704-4201-B8F2-C2D6D1DD0B48@economy-x-talk.com> References: <18A7FFC9-8B5A-4519-AABE-DF3DCE16338D@telenet.be> <0E974254-B704-4201-B8F2-C2D6D1DD0B48@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <87CA6B11-C6E3-4884-A134-33DF39875435@telenet.be> Great! That works, thanks!!! Met vriendelijke groeten, Ton Kuypers On 14-mei-2010, at 17:01, Mark Schonewille wrote: > go to stack "The is the second stack" in the window of this stack From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Fri May 14 11:23:49 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:23:49 +0200 Subject: OT: [Mac OSX] Is it possible to have Dashcode 2 and Dashcode 3 on the same Machine? In-Reply-To: <69F945A8-A58E-490C-8D75-05257410787A@mac.com> References: <69F945A8-A58E-490C-8D75-05257410787A@mac.com> Message-ID: <6DBD70E6-BD49-43C0-A047-47EEB73EF3F2@m-r-d.de> Thanks for your anwser, Thomas. Maybe you also know, which of the Xcode SDKs contain Dashcode 2? Regards, Matthias Am 14.05.2010 um 16:08 schrieb Thomas McGrath III: > Matthias, > > I keep a copy of each of two versions of xcode on my machine but the Developer folder is blessed so I have to keep one of the copies on a separate hard drive and delete the other when working with them. I tried just renaming them and keeping both at the same time but since the root path is so inherent in most of the functionality of the dev tools I ran into trouble. > > I installed the full product then copied it to an external hard drive. I then installed the other version and copied that to the external drive as well renamed so I would know which was which. Then when I need to dev in one I copy that one over named correctly and start using it. > > Not the best solution but it worked for me. > > Tom McGrath III > Lazy River Software > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... > http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com > > I Can Speak on the iPad Store > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 > > > On May 14, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> i want to play around a little bit with QuickConnectiPhone (a javascript framework). But for that i need Dashcode 2 on my machine, because the templates of QuickConnectiPhone are only Dascode 2 compatible. >> >> Does anymone know, if it is possible to have Xocde SDKs installed on the same machine. Do i have to install it just into an other folder? Any help is appreciated. >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias_______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri May 14 11:40:53 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:40:53 +0200 Subject: [Data Grid] get the header text color Message-ID: Hi Trevor and All, I checked the doc: header text color The text color to apply to the header area of a table. Prefix property name with "effective" to get the color being used when this property is set to empty. However when I try to get the "header text color" or the "effective header text color" property, I obtain empty. I checked in the DataGrid Library code, and not found any entry for this property in the getProps handler. I'm wrong? -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From jimschaubeck at yahoo.com Fri May 14 12:20:08 2010 From: jimschaubeck at yahoo.com (Jim Schaubeck) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 09:20:08 -0700 Subject: Printing in a revlet In-Reply-To: <4BECD192.3030607@hyperactivesw.com> References: <002d01caf2e0$ca2a5b10$5e7f1130$@com> <4BEC842F.3050500@hyperactivesw.com> <006b01caf31b$10b51590$321f40b0$@com> <4BECD192.3030607@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <008b01caf381$51e4f290$f5aed7b0$@com> I have tried IE (8.0) with no luck. Same blank page print-out. (Preview is also blank) ____________________________ jim schaubeck 714.321.4499 -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:29 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Printing in a revlet Jim Schaubeck wrote: > Thanks Jacqueline. I do hope that some sort of solution (or even work > around) is found for printing within revlets. End users view printing as > one of those things that magically just work (can't blame them). However, I > know it's harder than it looks. The person who submitted a support ticket also said that revlets won't print on IE. Can you confirm? I think I need to write up a bug report and the more info, the better. If anyone else has info about revlet printing on any other browsers/platforms, that'd be good to know too. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From massung at gmail.com Fri May 14 12:23:04 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 11:23:04 -0500 Subject: Caret/insert position in field Message-ID: I'm trying to do some interesting things that require me to know the exact character position offset within a line in a field. Is this possible right now in Rev? I can use the selectedLine to get the line number, but the selectedChunk returns characters from the beginning of the field. Is there a way for me to get the character offset to the beginning of a line easily? Note: I don't want to do something like offset(the value of the selectedLine, fld "foo") because this can return false positives and can end up being extremely slow when working in large files. Thanks for any thoughts/suggestions! Jeff M. From rman at free.fr Fri May 14 12:34:34 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 09:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [audio] Call for an updated enhanced quicktime audio library or a small audio complementary library! In-Reply-To: References: <1273837754183-2216458.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1273854874877-2216860.post@n4.nabble.com> Ok it works... in the first attempt the audio rendering was messed up by the UI refreshing. With a little tweakering it goes fine on my old macbook! I uploaded to revOnLine the test/proof of concept stack! thanks again. Robert http://n4.nabble.com/file/n2216860/fadeInadnOutTest.rev fadeInadnOutTest.rev -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/audio-Call-for-an-updated-enhanced-quicktime-audio-library-or-a-small-audio-complementary-library-tp2216458p2216860.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jimschaubeck at yahoo.com Fri May 14 12:42:27 2010 From: jimschaubeck at yahoo.com (Jim Schaubeck) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 09:42:27 -0700 Subject: Printing in a revlet In-Reply-To: <008b01caf381$51e4f290$f5aed7b0$@com> References: <002d01caf2e0$ca2a5b10$5e7f1130$@com> <4BEC842F.3050500@hyperactivesw.com> <006b01caf31b$10b51590$321f40b0$@com> <4BECD192.3030607@hyperactivesw.com> <008b01caf381$51e4f290$f5aed7b0$@com> Message-ID: <008f01caf384$702d2580$50877080$@com> Blank page with Safari 4.0.5 (on W7). Results are the same as IE ____________________________ jim schaubeck 714.321.4499 -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim Schaubeck Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: 'How to use Revolution' Subject: RE: Printing in a revlet I have tried IE (8.0) with no luck. Same blank page print-out. (Preview is also blank) ____________________________ jim schaubeck 714.321.4499 -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:29 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Printing in a revlet Jim Schaubeck wrote: > Thanks Jacqueline. I do hope that some sort of solution (or even work > around) is found for printing within revlets. End users view printing as > one of those things that magically just work (can't blame them). However, I > know it's harder than it looks. The person who submitted a support ticket also said that revlets won't print on IE. Can you confirm? I think I need to write up a bug report and the more info, the better. If anyone else has info about revlet printing on any other browsers/platforms, that'd be good to know too. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From tereza at califex.com Fri May 14 12:50:53 2010 From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 11:50:53 -0500 Subject: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? In-Reply-To: <76D66B1A-2346-4745-8006-46F044288446@gmail.com> References: <76D66B1A-2346-4745-8006-46F044288446@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D00FA55-BDDE-4A93-A177-43642A24F6A6@califex.com> On May 13, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Lyn Teyla wrote: > We were wondering if there are still plans to continue > releasing the CGI engine (not just revServer) in the > future? > > If so, when should we be expecting the next release? > Thanks in advance! Moments ago, I conceived a plan for porting my used-to-be-destined-for-the-iPad rev app to using Rev CGI. Please! I want to know too! t -- Tereza Snyder Califex Software, Inc. From rman at free.fr Fri May 14 12:51:11 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 09:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Another Revlets question... In-Reply-To: <18A7FFC9-8B5A-4519-AABE-DF3DCE16338D@telenet.be> References: <18A7FFC9-8B5A-4519-AABE-DF3DCE16338D@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1273855871670-2216885.post@n4.nabble.com> very useful question and answer, thanks. By the way, it could be useful if we could try and label our threads so that late one one can find more easily this precious knowledge!! no!? to avoid.. the where did I saw that effect.. !!! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Another-Revlets-question-tp2216702p2216885.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From DunbarX at aol.com Fri May 14 12:54:21 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 12:54:21 EDT Subject: Caret/insert position in field Message-ID: You sort of already had it. Wouldn't: on mouseUp get lineoffset(yourChar,yourField) answer offset(yourChar,the value of line it of fld yourField) end mouseUp do? Do you really always have the line you need? Or is that part of the issue? As for false positives, this will only give the first instance of the character. How do you know which instances are valid? Craig Newman From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri May 14 13:06:42 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 10:06:42 -0700 Subject: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? Message-ID: <4BED8322.40905@fourthworld.com> Tereza Snyder wrote: > On May 13, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Lyn Teyla wrote: > >> We were wondering if there are still plans to continue >> releasing the CGI engine (not just revServer) in the >> future? >> >> If so, when should we be expecting the next release? >> Thanks in advance! > > > Moments ago, I conceived a plan for porting my used-to-be-destined- > for-the-iPad rev app to using Rev CGI. Please! I want to know too! Some of the enhancements to the merge function in the engine used at On-Rev are convenient, and the real-time debugging is indeed a great time-saver but AFAIK that was always slated to be exclusive to the On-Rev hosting config anyway. So since the differences between the v3.5 Rev CGI engine we have and a new one would seem minimal, what specific features are you looking for? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri May 14 13:12:50 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 13:12:50 -0400 Subject: OT: [Mac OSX] Is it possible to have Dashcode 2 and Dashcode 3 on the same Machine? In-Reply-To: <6DBD70E6-BD49-43C0-A047-47EEB73EF3F2@m-r-d.de> References: <69F945A8-A58E-490C-8D75-05257410787A@mac.com> <6DBD70E6-BD49-43C0-A047-47EEB73EF3F2@m-r-d.de> Message-ID: <3C38D906-AB58-4B14-991A-DE899F9D0058@mac.com> Dashcode 2 came out in 3.1 in beta and I use 3.2.2 where Dashcode is now 3. So I am assuming that anything before 3.2 would have it. HTHs Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 On May 14, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote: > Thanks for your anwser, Thomas. > > Maybe you also know, which of the Xcode SDKs contain Dashcode 2? > > Regards, > > Matthias > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri May 14 13:19:00 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 12:19:00 -0500 Subject: Printing in a revlet In-Reply-To: <008f01caf384$702d2580$50877080$@com> References: <002d01caf2e0$ca2a5b10$5e7f1130$@com> <4BEC842F.3050500@hyperactivesw.com> <006b01caf31b$10b51590$321f40b0$@com> <4BECD192.3030607@hyperactivesw.com> <008b01caf381$51e4f290$f5aed7b0$@com> <008f01caf384$702d2580$50877080$@com> Message-ID: <4BED8604.9000507@hyperactivesw.com> Jim Schaubeck wrote: > Blank page with Safari 4.0.5 (on W7). Results are the same as IE Thanks Jim. I've updated my report with this info, but if you (or anyone) have anything else to add you can find the bug report here: -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri May 14 13:25:42 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 12:25:42 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <1273833514434-2216388.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <15BBA2C5-5B3B-4445-978C-807F5A4FDC2A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273789009771-2215870.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BEC83DF.4090600@hyperactivesw.com> <1273833514434-2216388.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BED8796.1070302@hyperactivesw.com> Robert Mann wrote: > Jacqueline, let me take a precise example.. i'took a license for sygodact. > It's an "old" CGI stack. So I had to install an "old" runrev engine in the > CGI folder. It would be simpler if the new on-rev engine accepted stacks > like the old one : Thanks, I understand what you mean now. The good news is that today's newsletter says that what you want to do with iRev is planned. :) Eventually iRev server will work with stacks. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri May 14 13:48:06 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 19:48:06 +0200 Subject: [Data Grid] set the dimmed hilite color Message-ID: Hi again, It seems that there is no way to set the "(effective) dimmed hilite color" property of a Data Grid. I checked the setProp handler of the Data Grid library and found nothing to set this property. Plus the getProp of this property seems to return always the kDefaultDimmedHiliteColor constant. I'm wrong? Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri May 14 14:10:37 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 20:10:37 +0200 Subject: Resize stack ... In-Reply-To: <8D73AA79-3358-4CDD-B741-5342A5BD9A80@wanadoo.fr> References: <8D73AA79-3358-4CDD-B741-5342A5BD9A80@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: 2010/5/14 Jean-Pierre Soto : > Hello, > > is there a way for user to resize stack when the decoration of this stack is > set to empty. > > Jean-Pierre > Hi Jean-Pierre, A possible way consists to open the RR's Object Library (menu Development->Object Library) In the library search for the "Mac Style Stack Resizer" or the "Win Style Stack Resizer" object. Choose the object you need depending of your system, then click on "the place object" button. You have now the code to resize your stack, with no effort ;) Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From mikekann at yahoo.com Fri May 14 14:51:54 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 11:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: getting the user's (internet, not local network) IP address In-Reply-To: <6C0C0DD3-BC98-4955-BDA7-901419B6595C@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <393050.60042.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Josh, Using: ------------------------------------------ set the hideConsoleWindows to true put shell("ipconfig/all") into v put v into fld 1 end mouseUp ------------------------------------------ Gives you: ------------------------------------------ Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : fake11 Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : fake.edu Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : fake.edu Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix: Description: Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-FA-KE-B8-AE-8B Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 75.108.90.130 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.254.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 75.108.90.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 172.24.120.39 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 208.180.42.100 208.180.42.68 Lease Obtained: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:52:39 AM Lease Expires: Saturday, May 15, 2010 9:48:49 AM Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Dell Wireless 1370 WLAN Mini-PCI Card Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-14-FA-KE-1E-73 --- On Thu, 5/13/10, Josh Mellicker wrote: > From: Josh Mellicker > Subject: Re: getting the user's (internet, not local network) IP address > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 10:15 PM > Does that get the internet IP or > local IP? > > > On Mac, this returns: > > usage: ipconfig > where is one of waitall, getifaddr, > ifcount, getoption, getpacket, set, setverbose > > > > On May 13, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > > > On Windows XP: > > > > on mouseUp > > set the hideConsoleWindows to true > > put shell("ipconfig") into fld 1 // parse out what you > want > > end mouseUp > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/13/10, Josh Mellicker > wrote: > > > >> From: Josh Mellicker > >> Subject: getting the user's (internet, not local > network) IP address > >> To: "how to use Revolution" > >> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 9:14 PM > >> Just thought I'd share this in case > >> it was of any use to anyone, and so at least one > post on the > >> list is not about Steve Jobs and Apple's > tyrannical actions > >> :-) > >> > >> > >> To get the user's (internet, not local network) IP > address, > >> put a text file on your server with this code: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Then in your app: > >> > >> get url "http://yourdomain.com/folder-you-put-the-php-file-in/your-php-filename.php" > >> > >> > >> Is there a better > >> > way?_______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe > and manage > >> your subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From andre at andregarzia.com Fri May 14 15:01:06 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 16:01:06 -0300 Subject: getting the user's (internet, not local network) IP address In-Reply-To: <60374C7B-824F-4B87-A26E-BFD6B7742FC1@dvcreators.net> References: <60374C7B-824F-4B87-A26E-BFD6B7742FC1@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: Josh, I don't think a better way is needed. Since in the rare case that he has a network connection but can't connect to your server, then, there's something odd happening. Yes there's the case where the whole app locks while trying to find if it can connect or not, maybe setting the socketTimeout to low value might speed up the failure scenario. Andre On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > Just thought I'd share this in case it was of any use to anyone, and so at > least one post on the list is not about Steve Jobs and Apple's tyrannical > actions :-) > > > To get the user's (internet, not local network) IP address, put a text file > on your server with this code: > > > > > Then in your app: > > get url " > http://yourdomain.com/folder-you-put-the-php-file-in/your-php-filename.php > " > > > Is there a better way?_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Fri May 14 15:08:07 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 21:08:07 +0200 Subject: OT: [Mac OSX] Is it possible to have Dashcode 2 and Dashcode 3 on the same Machine? In-Reply-To: <3C38D906-AB58-4B14-991A-DE899F9D0058@mac.com> References: <69F945A8-A58E-490C-8D75-05257410787A@mac.com> <6DBD70E6-BD49-43C0-A047-47EEB73EF3F2@m-r-d.de> <3C38D906-AB58-4B14-991A-DE899F9D0058@mac.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your anwser, Thomas. Maybe you also know, which of the Xcode SDKs contain Dashcode 2? Regards, Matthias Am 14.05.2010 um 19:12 schrieb Thomas McGrath III: > Dashcode 2 came out in 3.1 in beta and I use 3.2.2 where Dashcode is now 3. > > So I am assuming that anything before 3.2 would have it. > > HTHs > > Tom McGrath III > Lazy River Software > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... > http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com > > I Can Speak on the iPad Store > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 > > > On May 14, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote: > >> Thanks for your anwser, Thomas. >> >> Maybe you also know, which of the Xcode SDKs contain Dashcode 2? >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From massung at gmail.com Fri May 14 15:14:21 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 14:14:21 -0500 Subject: Caret/insert position in field In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just want to take a moment and re-explain my problem a little. The user is typing in the field, and I'd like to do some special formatting when the user hits the tab key. So, immediately I have: on tabKey put the selectedLine end tabKey This will give me something like "line 204 of field 2", which is great, and I can use that to get the text on that line so I can begin formatting. The problem is that I need to know the user's caret (insert) position, because the formatting will behave differently if the insert position is at the beginning of the line as opposed to somewhere in the middle. For example, if at the beginning, it might actually insert a tab, otherwise it will do something else. But, I can't seem to figure out where the insert position within that line happens to be. The selectedChunk returns characters from the start of the field. Thanks for the suggestions. Jeff M. From massung at gmail.com Fri May 14 15:17:28 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 14:17:28 -0500 Subject: getting the user's (internet, not local network) IP address In-Reply-To: <60374C7B-824F-4B87-A26E-BFD6B7742FC1@dvcreators.net> References: <60374C7B-824F-4B87-A26E-BFD6B7742FC1@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > > > To get the user's (internet, not local network) IP address, put a text file > on your server with this code: > > > > > This still doesn't [fully] work. While not the local IP address, you'd still have to perform NAT traversal in order to do any actual communication with the client machine (read: anything useful). At best, with this IP address you can find out the general county/city the client machine is located in. Jeff M. From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri May 14 15:20:52 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:20:52 -0400 Subject: OT: [Mac OSX] Is it possible to have Dashcode 2 and Dashcode 3 on the same Machine? In-Reply-To: References: <69F945A8-A58E-490C-8D75-05257410787A@mac.com> <6DBD70E6-BD49-43C0-A047-47EEB73EF3F2@m-r-d.de> <3C38D906-AB58-4B14-991A-DE899F9D0058@mac.com> Message-ID: LOL, I thought I just answered that? I assume it is any SDK after SDK 3.1 when Dashcode 2 came out but before SDK 3.2 when Dashcode 3 came out. I would go with SDK 3.1.5 Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 On May 14, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Matthias Rebbe wrote: > Thanks for your anwser, Thomas. > > Maybe you also know, which of the Xcode SDKs contain Dashcode 2? > > Regards, > > Matthias > > Am 14.05.2010 um 19:12 schrieb Thomas McGrath III: > >> Dashcode 2 came out in 3.1 in beta and I use 3.2.2 where Dashcode is now 3. >> >> So I am assuming that anything before 3.2 would have it. >> >> HTHs >> >> Tom McGrath III >> Lazy River Software >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> 3mcgrath at comcast.net >> >> I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... >> http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com >> >> I Can Speak on the iPad Store >> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 >> >> >> On May 14, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote: >> >>> Thanks for your anwser, Thomas. >>> >>> Maybe you also know, which of the Xcode SDKs contain Dashcode 2? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Matthias >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri May 14 16:11:00 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 13:11:00 -0700 Subject: DataGrid: how to prevent text from showing in reverse colors in hilited row Message-ID: <4BEDAE54.7040306@fourthworld.com> I've noticed that the DataGrid likes to reverse the color of text in the hilited row, and while this is common in Windows in my case I've chosen the text, background, and hilite colors to work well together and would prefer to leave the text color as-is. Is there a way to turn that color reversal off? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Fri May 14 16:12:19 2010 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 22:12:19 +0200 Subject: OT: [Mac OSX] Is it possible to have Dashcode 2 and Dashcode 3 on the same Machine? In-Reply-To: References: <69F945A8-A58E-490C-8D75-05257410787A@mac.com> <6DBD70E6-BD49-43C0-A047-47EEB73EF3F2@m-r-d.de> <3C38D906-AB58-4B14-991A-DE899F9D0058@mac.com> Message-ID: Yes you did. And i sent a direct reply to it, but used a wrong sender adress. And so my e-mail was not accepted by the list. I had to resend the e-mail. Used your original e-mail and copied by mistake my old "text" into it. Sorry. And also thanks for your answers. Matthias Am 14.05.2010 um 21:20 schrieb Thomas McGrath III: > LOL, I thought I just answered that? > > I assume it is any SDK after SDK 3.1 when Dashcode 2 came out but before SDK 3.2 when Dashcode 3 came out. > > I would go with SDK 3.1.5 > > Tom McGrath III > Lazy River Software > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > 3mcgrath at comcast.net > > I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... > http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com > > I Can Speak on the iPad Store > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 > > On May 14, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Matthias Rebbe wrote: > >> Thanks for your anwser, Thomas. >> >> Maybe you also know, which of the Xcode SDKs contain Dashcode 2? >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> >> Am 14.05.2010 um 19:12 schrieb Thomas McGrath III: >> >>> Dashcode 2 came out in 3.1 in beta and I use 3.2.2 where Dashcode is now 3. >>> >>> So I am assuming that anything before 3.2 would have it. >>> >>> HTHs >>> >>> Tom McGrath III >>> Lazy River Software >>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net >>> >>> I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... >>> http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com >>> >>> I Can Speak on the iPad Store >>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 >>> >>> >>> On May 14, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for your anwser, Thomas. >>>> >>>> Maybe you also know, which of the Xcode SDKs contain Dashcode 2? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Matthias >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri May 14 16:12:33 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:12:33 -0500 Subject: Caret/insert position in field In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BEDAEB1.8050304@hyperactivesw.com> Jeff Massung wrote: > Just want to take a moment and re-explain my problem a little. > > The user is typing in the field, and I'd like to do some special formatting > when the user hits the tab key. So, immediately I have: > > on tabKey > put the selectedLine > end tabKey > > This will give me something like "line 204 of field 2", which is great, and > I can use that to get the text on that line so I can begin formatting. > > The problem is that I need to know the user's caret (insert) position, > because the formatting will behave differently if the insert position is at > the beginning of the line as opposed to somewhere in the middle. For > example, if at the beginning, it might actually insert a tab, otherwise it > will do something else. > > But, I can't seem to figure out where the insert position within that line > happens to be. The selectedChunk returns characters from the start of the > field. > > Thanks for the suggestions. This seems to work but I'm not sure how fast it would be on huge data sets. The engine is pretty fast in general though when it comes to text chunking: function charCount put (the number of chars in line 1 to (word 2 of the selectedline)-1 \ of me) + 1 into tTotal -- to end of prev line plus the CR put word 4 of the selectedchunk into tCharPos return tCharPos - tTotal end charCount That extra "+1" at the end of the first line is to account for the carriage return, which Rev won't count otherwise. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri May 14 16:17:40 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:17:40 -0500 Subject: [ANN] tRev Decoder lets you travel in time! Message-ID: <113A5130-1E1A-490E-A278-4BDAC12630A2@me.com> tRev users and others seeking solace, distraction, inspiration... I've got an interesting video for you to view: http://reveditor.com/the-decoder-lets-you-time-travel We've added a new feature to tRev's Decoder (modeless debugger). It now keeps a record of every time a tRev breakpoint gets refreshed with data. With this new feature, the Decoder will let you walk through iterations of a breakpoint with a snazzy, user interface. Once you see it, you'll slap your head and say..."Yeah, of course!" This feature is excellent for when you want to see the values of your variables during several iterations of a repeat loop. Since tRev uses database-driven, modeless debugging which is entirely separate from Rev IDE, you can go backward or forward in time to see what your code is--or was--doing. This is also great if you want to view your code's context from a week ago. Although tRev's Decoder does not take you into the future, using this feature makes you feel like you're in the future! Have a look, download it and try it, if you aren't already using tRev! Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch From mikekann at yahoo.com Fri May 14 16:20:39 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 13:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Caret/insert position in field In-Reply-To: <4BEDAEB1.8050304@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <91724.11528.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Jeff, Here's a way to suck out info from the cursor position in a fld. Perhaps it will give you an idea or two. on mouseUp put numToChar(255) into marker set the itemDelimiter to marker put marker after the selection ---------------------------------- put fld 1 into v // typing text ---------------------------------- -- use v to find position in text ---------------------------------- delete item 2 of v put num of chars in v into insert_pos put num of chars in v & cr after h put num of words in v & cr after h put num of lines in v & cr after h ---------------------------------- put the last line of v into vv ---------------------------------- put num of chars in vv & cr after h put num of words in vv & cr after h ----------------------------------- put the last word of v into vvv put num of chars in vvv & cr after h put h into fld 2 // output fld ----------------------------------- --get fld 1 back to original state ----------------------------------- delete char (insert_pos + 1) of fld 1 ----------------------------------- end mouseUp From mikekann at yahoo.com Fri May 14 16:30:15 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 13:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DataGrid: how to prevent text from showing in reverse colors in hilited row In-Reply-To: <4BEDAE54.7040306@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <655046.26981.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7332-How-Can-I-Colorize-Individual-Lines-in-a-Table- --- On Fri, 5/14/10, Richard Gaskin wrote: > From: Richard Gaskin > Subject: DataGrid: how to prevent text from showing in reverse colors in hilited row > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 3:11 PM > I've noticed that the DataGrid likes > to reverse the color of text in the hilited row, and while > this is common in Windows in my case I've chosen the text, > background, and hilite colors to work well together and > would prefer to leave the text color as-is. > > Is there a way to turn that color reversal off? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mikekann at yahoo.com Fri May 14 16:34:20 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 13:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DataGrid: how to prevent text from showing in reverse colors in hilited row In-Reply-To: <655046.26981.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <507287.16515.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Richard, after actually reading the lesson, I realize that it might not be what you need. Sorry. --- On Fri, 5/14/10, Michael Kann wrote: > From: Michael Kann > Subject: Re: DataGrid: how to prevent text from showing in reverse colors in hilited row > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 3:30 PM > http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7332-How-Can-I-Colorize-Individual-Lines-in-a-Table- > > --- On Fri, 5/14/10, Richard Gaskin > wrote: > > > From: Richard Gaskin > > Subject: DataGrid:? how to prevent text from > showing in reverse colors in hilited row > > To: "How to use Revolution" > > Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 3:11 PM > > I've noticed that the DataGrid likes > > to reverse the color of text in the hilited row, and > while > > this is common in Windows in my case I've chosen the > text, > > background, and hilite colors to work well together > and > > would prefer to leave the text color as-is. > > > > Is there a way to turn that color reversal off? > > > > -- > >? Richard Gaskin > >? Fourth World > >? Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > >? Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > >? revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage > > your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri May 14 16:38:24 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 13:38:24 -0700 Subject: [ANN] tRev Decoder lets you travel in time! In-Reply-To: <113A5130-1E1A-490E-A278-4BDAC12630A2@me.com> References: <113A5130-1E1A-490E-A278-4BDAC12630A2@me.com> Message-ID: <72-1665829687.20100514133824@ahsoftware.net> Jerry- Friday, May 14, 2010, 1:17:40 PM, you wrote: > With this new feature, the Decoder will let you walk through > iterations of a breakpoint with a snazzy, user interface. Once you see > it, you'll slap your head and say..."Yeah, of course!" Yay! > ago. Although tRev's Decoder does not take you into the future, using Not so. I'm livin' it now... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mcgrath3 at mac.com Fri May 14 17:19:42 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:19:42 -0400 Subject: OT: [Mac OSX] Is it possible to have Dashcode 2 and Dashcode 3 on the same Machine? In-Reply-To: References: <69F945A8-A58E-490C-8D75-05257410787A@mac.com> <6DBD70E6-BD49-43C0-A047-47EEB73EF3F2@m-r-d.de> <3C38D906-AB58-4B14-991A-DE899F9D0058@mac.com> Message-ID: <9ECDDC5E-4060-4687-8E65-98D99DC59C8D@mac.com> I thought I answered or I was going nuts. That was why I LOL'd. Glad it helped. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 On May 14, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Matthias Rebbe wrote: > Yes you did. And i sent a direct reply to it, but used a wrong sender adress. And so my e-mail was not accepted by the list. > I had to resend the e-mail. Used your original e-mail and copied by mistake my old "text" into it. Sorry. > And also thanks for your answers. > > Matthias > > > > Am 14.05.2010 um 21:20 schrieb Thomas McGrath III: > >> LOL, I thought I just answered that? >> >> I assume it is any SDK after SDK 3.1 when Dashcode 2 came out but before SDK 3.2 when Dashcode 3 came out. >> >> I would go with SDK 3.1.5 >> >> Tom McGrath III >> Lazy River Software >> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >> 3mcgrath at comcast.net >> >> I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... >> http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com >> >> I Can Speak on the iPad Store >> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 >> >> On May 14, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Matthias Rebbe wrote: >> >>> Thanks for your anwser, Thomas. >>> >>> Maybe you also know, which of the Xcode SDKs contain Dashcode 2? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Matthias >>> >>> Am 14.05.2010 um 19:12 schrieb Thomas McGrath III: >>> >>>> Dashcode 2 came out in 3.1 in beta and I use 3.2.2 where Dashcode is now 3. >>>> >>>> So I am assuming that anything before 3.2 would have it. >>>> >>>> HTHs >>>> >>>> Tom McGrath III >>>> Lazy River Software >>>> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com >>>> 3mcgrath at comcast.net >>>> >>>> I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... >>>> http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com >>>> >>>> I Can Speak on the iPad Store >>>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 14, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Matthias Rebbe wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for your anwser, Thomas. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe you also know, which of the Xcode SDKs contain Dashcode 2? >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Matthias >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri May 14 17:38:03 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 23:38:03 +0200 Subject: DataGrid: how to prevent text from showing in reverse colors in hilited row In-Reply-To: <4BEDAE54.7040306@fourthworld.com> References: <4BEDAE54.7040306@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: 2010/5/14 Richard Gaskin : > I've noticed that the DataGrid likes to reverse the color of text in the > hilited row, and while this is common in Windows in my case I've chosen the > text, background, and hilite colors to work well together and would prefer > to leave the text color as-is. > > Is there a way to turn that color reversal off? Hi Richard, Try to set your "hilited text color" property to the color you cant. Usage: set the dgProp["hilited text color"] of tMyDataGrid to tTheColor -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri May 14 17:39:03 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 23:39:03 +0200 Subject: DataGrid: how to prevent text from showing in reverse colors in hilited row In-Reply-To: References: <4BEDAE54.7040306@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: missed the correct letter here not cant but want ^^ 2010/5/14 zryip theSlug : > 2010/5/14 Richard Gaskin : >> I've noticed that the DataGrid likes to reverse the color of text in the >> hilited row, and while this is common in Windows in my case I've chosen the >> text, background, and hilite colors to work well together and would prefer >> to leave the text color as-is. >> >> Is there a way to turn that color reversal off? > > > Hi Richard, > > Try to set your "hilited text color" property to the color you cant. > > Usage: > set the dgProp["hilited text color"] of tMyDataGrid to tTheColor > > > > -- > -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) > http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc > -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri May 14 18:09:56 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:09:56 -0700 Subject: DataGrid: how to prevent text from showing in reverse colors in hilited row Message-ID: <4BEDCA34.9060406@fourthworld.com> theSlug wrote: > 2010/5/14 Richard Gaskin : >> I've noticed that the DataGrid likes to reverse the color of text in the >> hilited row, and while this is common in Windows in my case I've chosen the >> text, background, and hilite colors to work well together and would prefer >> to leave the text color as-is. >> >> Is there a way to turn that color reversal off? > > Hi Richard, > > Try to set your "hilited text color" property to the color you cant. > > Usage: > set the dgProp["hilited text color"] of tMyDataGrid to tTheColor Ah - thanks. Somehow I missed that property when I was looking for something like that. Leave it to Trevor to think of everything. :) Thanks, Slug. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From lyn.teyla at gmail.com Fri May 14 18:52:57 2010 From: lyn.teyla at gmail.com (Lyn Teyla) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 00:52:57 +0200 Subject: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? In-Reply-To: <4BED8322.40905@fourthworld.com> References: <4BED8322.40905@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <361BC2E3-BF71-407C-9711-3DBF58593A42@gmail.com> Richard Gaskin wrote: > Some of the enhancements to the merge function in the engine used at On-Rev are convenient, and the real-time debugging is indeed a great time-saver but AFAIK that was always slated to be exclusive to the On-Rev hosting config anyway. > > So since the differences between the v3.5 Rev CGI engine we have and a new one would seem minimal, what specific features are you looking for? Our main concern is that any new features and bug fixes that are included with the Rev engine in the future (and quite a few are always listed with each revision as per the engine notes) would no longer be available to CGI scripters if v3.5 is going to be the last version of the CGI engine. At this time, v3.5 is indeed still rather up-to-date in terms of core engine features, since it does support the current major features such as multi-dimensional arrays and behaviors. However, if future versions of the Rev engine were to include similarly important features, or say a crucial memory leak bug fix, it would be good to know if these will be made available to the CGI folks. Lyn From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri May 14 19:05:17 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 01:05:17 +0200 Subject: [Data Grid] get the header text color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/5/14 zryip theSlug : It seems same for the "Text color" property. -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri May 14 19:14:40 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 16:14:40 -0700 Subject: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? Message-ID: <4BEDD960.40004@fourthworld.com> Lyn Teyla wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> So since the differences between the v3.5 Rev CGI engine we have >> and a new one would seem minimal, what specific features are you >> looking for? > > Our main concern is that any new features and bug fixes that > are included with the Rev engine in the future (and quite a > few are always listed with each revision as per the engine > notes) would no longer be available to CGI scripters if v3.5 > is going to be the last version of the CGI engine. > > At this time, v3.5 is indeed still rather up-to-date in terms > of core engine features, since it does support the current > major features such as multi-dimensional arrays and behaviors. > > However, if future versions of the Rev engine were to include > similarly important features, or say a crucial memory leak bug > fix, it would be good to know if these will be made available > to the CGI folks. I never thought v3.5 would be the end of the line for the CGI, just that v4.0 was mostly about graphic enhancements that aren't relevant to CGI work anyway. During this interim the worst we face is a minor inconvenience in getting the v3.5 engine for use on our Linux servers for those who came on board with v4.0. In the short term it would be great if RunRev could post a link to that engine in some convenient place on their server. In the long term, things look even better - Mark Waddingham drops us some tasty hints of the future for RevServer in the latest edition of the newletter: Rev Advances on Desktop and Server -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From alex at tweedly.net Fri May 14 19:37:24 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 00:37:24 +0100 Subject: getting the user's (internet, not local network) IP address In-Reply-To: References: <60374C7B-824F-4B87-A26E-BFD6B7742FC1@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <4BEDDEB4.8070801@tweedly.net> On 14/05/2010 20:17, Jeff Massung wrote: > > This still doesn't [fully] work. While not the local IP address, you'd still > have to perform NAT traversal in order to do any actual communication with > the client machine (read: anything useful). At best, with this IP address > you can find out the general county/city the client machine is located in. > You can't even do that fully reliably. It gets fooled by VPN connections and multi-homed campus networks, as well as other obscure configs. -- Alex. From kee at kagi.com Fri May 14 19:37:41 2010 From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 16:37:41 -0700 Subject: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? In-Reply-To: <361BC2E3-BF71-407C-9711-3DBF58593A42@gmail.com> References: <4BED8322.40905@fourthworld.com> <361BC2E3-BF71-407C-9711-3DBF58593A42@gmail.com> Message-ID: <33F1EB0C-C635-45BB-9872-88C9281A7101@kagi.com> On May 14, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Lyn Teyla wrote: > However, if future versions of the Rev engine were to include > similarly important features, or say a crucial memory leak bug > fix, it would be good to know if these will be made available > to the CGI folks. Sounds like it would be useful to have some kind of "Check for Updates..." kind of functionality in the development environment in case the Rev engine were to be updated. :-) I wonder if that kind of "Check for Updates ..." functionality could be built into the Development environment to handle the concerns you have raised? :-) I know that given the privacy concerns of our business, we cannot use the Rev engine hosted on a machine that we do not control. Kee Nethery From mikekann at yahoo.com Fri May 14 21:11:22 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 18:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? In-Reply-To: <33F1EB0C-C635-45BB-9872-88C9281A7101@kagi.com> Message-ID: <548982.3943.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 5/14/10, Kee Nethery wrote: > From: Kee Nethery > Subject: Re: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 6:37 PM > > On May 14, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Lyn Teyla wrote: > > > However, if future versions of the Rev engine were to > include > > similarly important features, or say a crucial memory > leak bug > > fix, it would be good to know if these will be made > available > > to the CGI folks. > > Sounds like it would be useful to have some kind of "Check > for Updates..." kind of functionality in the development > environment in case the Rev engine were to be updated. > > :-) I wonder if that kind of "Check for Updates ..." > functionality could be built into the Development > environment to handle the concerns you have raised?? > :-) > > I know that given the privacy concerns of our business, we > cannot use the Rev engine hosted on a machine that we do not > control. > > Kee Nethery_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mikekann at yahoo.com Fri May 14 21:12:34 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 18:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? In-Reply-To: <33F1EB0C-C635-45BB-9872-88C9281A7101@kagi.com> Message-ID: <331429.3770.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> -- Sent last post too soon! -- ---------------------------------------------------- Kee Nethery wrote: ---------------------------------------------------- I know that given the privacy concerns of our business, we cannot use the Rev engine hosted on a machine that we do not control. ---------------------------------------------------- Kee, Am I missing something obvious? If you control the machine then you can put the Rev engine on it. Usually the problem is the other way around. People want to use a commercial server but can't get the server people to let them upload the engine. Mike From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Sat May 15 04:37:55 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:37:55 +0100 Subject: Nice OSX tip: creating an image with a desktop snapshot without scripting Message-ID: Perhaps the coolest, most-secret hidden capture shortcut is Control-Command-Shift-3 (or 4), which, instead of creating a file on your desktop, copies the capture into your Clipboard memory, so you can paste it where you want. 1. Press Control-Command-Shift-3 (or 4) from any application 2. Switch to Revolution and in the stack you want the image - just paste! It's all about that control key :) From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 15 05:05:45 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:05:45 +0300 Subject: Nice OSX tip: creating an image with a desktop snapshot without scripting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BEE63E9.4060807@gmail.com> On 15/05/2010 11:37, David Bovill wrote: > Perhaps the coolest, most-secret hidden capture shortcut is > Control-Command-Shift-3 (or 4), which, instead of creating a file on your > desktop, copies the capture into your Clipboard memory, so you can paste it > where you want. > > 1. Press Control-Command-Shift-3 (or 4) from any application > 2. Switch to Revolution and in the stack you want the image - just paste! > > It's all about that control key :) > _______________________________________________ This is the place to find out about all this: http://rixstep.com/2/20040510,00.shtml From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sat May 15 05:18:17 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 10:18:17 +0100 Subject: Triage Message-ID: <201005151018.18065.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> From issue 92 of the newsletter: > What about Linux support? > We will be looking at improving support for Linux in various areas, > including bringing the web-plugin to Linux for the first time. -- What to do first: Size adjustments on IDE, stop editor crashing on cut and paste, fix font handling and printing, make multiple desktops work. -- What to do second: Rev Browser, the browser plugins. -- What to do when you can get to it: Anything that can be done in the shell, just supply recipes in the user guide. Speech. We live in hope! Peter From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Sat May 15 05:26:34 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:26:34 +0200 Subject: Resize stack ... In-Reply-To: <8D73AA79-3358-4CDD-B741-5342A5BD9A80@wanadoo.fr> References: <8D73AA79-3358-4CDD-B741-5342A5BD9A80@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: Le 14 mai 10 ? 12:25, Jean-Pierre Soto a ?crit : > Hello, > > is there a way for user to resize stack when the decoration of this > stack is set to empty. > > Jean-Pierre Bonjour Jean-Pierre, On the site So Smart Software http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution_didacticiels&l=en you can download a tutorial: #017 How to manage resizing (from ?ric Chatonet) In the tab menu of this tutorial choose "Tips and Tricks" and there you will find a "scripted Resizer" On this little stack the button in the bottom right corner is a customized one. HTH Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 15 05:32:46 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:32:46 +0200 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <1273789009771-2215870.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <15BBA2C5-5B3B-4445-978C-807F5A4FDC2A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273789009771-2215870.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <47CBFE23-50FC-4CB7-A60A-D93411D0DE27@numericable.com> I agree ! + music (Midi ?) functions Le 14 mai 2010 ? 00:16, Robert Mann a ?crit : > I would prefer that a minimal audio/video library be made, like the datagrid > enhancement of last year (simple fade in and out, cross fademix, minimal > reverb, tone correction and normalization) and possibility to ouput a > compressed quicktime format. It is important to be able to produce good > quality audio/video by program too since runrev claims to be a media > platform. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 15 05:38:11 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:38:11 +0300 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <47CBFE23-50FC-4CB7-A60A-D93411D0DE27@numericable.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <15BBA2C5-5B3B-4445-978C-807F5A4FDC2A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273789009771-2215870.post@n4.nabble.com> <47CBFE23-50FC-4CB7-A60A-D93411D0DE27@numericable.com> Message-ID: <4BEE6B83.2060800@gmail.com> On 15/05/2010 12:32, Ren? Micout wrote: > I agree ! > + music (Midi ?) functions > > Le 14 mai 2010 ? 00:16, Robert Mann a ?crit : > >> I would prefer that a minimal audio/video library be made, like the datagrid >> enhancement of last year (simple fade in and out, cross fademix, minimal >> reverb, tone correction and normalization) and possibility to ouput a >> compressed quicktime format. It is important to be able to produce good >> quality audio/video by program too since runrev claims to be a media >> platform. I have been banging on about sound export for years: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5164 From sims at ezpzapps.com Sat May 15 05:51:18 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:51:18 +0200 Subject: Nice OSX tip: creating an image with a desktop snapshot without scripting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 15, 2010, at 10:37 AM, David Bovill wrote: > Perhaps the coolest, most-secret hidden capture shortcut is > Control-Command-Shift-3 (or 4), Control-Command-4-Space Bar captures the window under the cursor. sims From sims at ezpzapps.com Sat May 15 05:52:45 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:52:45 +0200 Subject: Nice OSX tip: creating an image with a desktop snapshot without scripting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51CCBEC2-DAEC-40F3-805B-ACF2B661A61D@ezpzapps.com> Oops... Command-SHIFT-4-Space Bar captures the window under the cursor. sims From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sat May 15 06:36:46 2010 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:36:46 +0100 Subject: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? In-Reply-To: <4BECA1BE.5010405@fourthworld.com> References: <4BECA1BE.5010405@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Since the advent of services such as Slicehost or Linode, I'm surprised anyone bothers with shared hosting. Linode costs $20 a month, and you get to choose from a variety of different linux distributions. In my experience, the performance and support are amazing. Bernard On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > I don't believe it's an Apache module. ?I'm not exactly sure what it is, but > when I asked if it was a module per se I was told it was not. That's a good > thing, IMO, since it would be next to impossible to install it on a shared > host if it were. From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Sat May 15 07:21:18 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:21:18 +0100 Subject: Tip 2: screen shot capture from iPhone Message-ID: To take a screen shot, hold down the home button and then push the top button. The screen will flash and the resulting image will be placed on your camera roll. From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Sat May 15 07:29:41 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:29:41 +0100 Subject: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? In-Reply-To: References: <4BECA1BE.5010405@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the pointer Bernard - any idea how that would compare with DreamHosts private servers? I certainly like the fact that you have datacentres in different continents with Linode! On 15 May 2010 11:36, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Since the advent of services such as Slicehost or Linode, I'm > surprised anyone bothers with shared hosting. Linode costs $20 a > month, and you get to choose from a variety of different linux > distributions. In my experience, the performance and support are > amazing. > From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Sat May 15 07:55:04 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 13:55:04 +0200 Subject: [Data Grid] get the header text color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <489C7922-006A-4A87-B987-8A9D61B484CB@inria.fr> Le 14 mai 10 ? 17:40, zryip theSlug a ?crit : > Hi Trevor and All, > > > I checked the doc: > > header text color > The text color to apply to the header area of a table. Prefix property > name with "effective" to get the color being used when this property > is set to empty. > > However when I try to get the "header text color" or the "effective > header text color" property, I obtain empty. > > I checked in the DataGrid Library code, and not found any entry for > this property in the getProps handler. > > I'm wrong? Le 15 mai 10 ? 01:05, zryip theSlug a ?crit : > 2010/5/14 zryip theSlug : > > It seems same for the "Text color" property. Bonjour theSlug, No help, just to confirm. My trials (using message box): put the dgProp["header text color"] of grp "dataGrid" >> empty put the dgProp["effective header text color"] of grp "dataGrid" >> empty set the dgProp["header text color"] of grp "dataGrid" to "red" >> works: the headers text is in red BUT, having the headers in red : put the dgProp["header text color"] of grp "dataGrid" >> empty put the dgProp["effective header text color"] of grp "dataGrid" >> empty idem with "text color" property. So seems that as the "header text color" and the "text color" properties are concerned: one can set them but not put (or get) them. Le 14 mai 10 ? 19:48, zryip theSlug a ?crit : > Hi again, > > It seems that there is no way to set the "(effective) dimmed hilite > color" property of a Data Grid. > I checked the setProp handler of the Data Grid library and found > nothing to set this property. Plus the getProp of this property seems > to return always the kDefaultDimmedHiliteColor constant. > > I'm wrong? With put the dgProp["effective dimmed hilite color"] of grp "datagrid" I get "212,212,212" when I try : set the dgProp["dimmed hilite color"] of grp "datagrid" (or with prefix "effective") I get --invalid property 'effective dimmed hilite color'-- or --invalid property dimmed hilite color' Best regards from Grenoble (sad grey weather for quite a too long time now!) Andr? From jmyepes at mac.com Sat May 15 08:04:10 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 05:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Replace rgb1 with rbg2 In-Reply-To: <4BEAC429.504@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <1273620889083-2195410.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BEAC429.504@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: <1273925050508-2217683.post@n4.nabble.com> Thanks for the scripts Wilhelm, it's exactly that I looking for :) Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Replace-rgb1-with-rbg2-tp2195410p2217683.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From coiin at verizon.net Sat May 15 08:12:31 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 08:12:31 -0400 Subject: Nice OSX tip: creating an image with a desktop snapshot without scripting In-Reply-To: <51CCBEC2-DAEC-40F3-805B-ACF2B661A61D@ezpzapps.com> References: <51CCBEC2-DAEC-40F3-805B-ACF2B661A61D@ezpzapps.com> Message-ID: On May 15, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Jim Sims wrote: > > Command-SHIFT-4-Space Bar captures the window under the cursor. That can be described better as: Command-Shift-4 gives you the usual caption selection to a file, and Control-Command-Shift-4 gives you the usual capture to clipboard, but if instead of dragging the mouse to make a selection, you press the space bar and then move the mouse over the various open windows, you can click to capture the one that is highlighted. It also grabs all of the window, not just the parts that are sticking out from under other windows. With all of these screen grabs that are not immediate you can press the escape key to cancel the grabbing. From coiin at verizon.net Sat May 15 08:14:56 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 08:14:56 -0400 Subject: Tip 2: screen shot capture from iPhone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D482694-7A3F-4D32-85EB-84108ECF02F2@verizon.net> On May 15, 2010, at 7:21 AM, David Bovill wrote: > To take a screen shot, hold down the home button and then push the top > button. Hold the home button and then briefly press and release the top button. If you hold the home button and press the top button until you see a screen shot being taken, it won't happen. Instead it will hard reset the phone. From rman at free.fr Sat May 15 08:51:41 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 05:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Nice OSX tip: creating an image with a desktop snapshot without scripting In-Reply-To: References: <51CCBEC2-DAEC-40F3-805B-ACF2B661A61D@ezpzapps.com> Message-ID: <1273927901528-2217717.post@n4.nabble.com> there is a nice way too, using "apercu" the preview thingy.. instead of capture. In the file menu you find these options (capture : selection/window) Il like to see the result right away in a preview window... and can then cut and paste... also you can make several copies and deal with them afterwards.. have a good day -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Nice-OSX-tip-creating-an-image-with-a-desktop-snapshot-without-scripting-tp2217576p2217717.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sat May 15 09:14:01 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 15:14:01 +0200 Subject: [Data Grid] get the header text color In-Reply-To: <489C7922-006A-4A87-B987-8A9D61B484CB@inria.fr> References: <489C7922-006A-4A87-B987-8A9D61B484CB@inria.fr> Message-ID: 2010/5/15 Andre.Bisseret : > Le 14 mai 10 ? 17:40, zryip theSlug a ?crit : > >> Hi Trevor and All, >> >> >> I checked the doc: >> >> header text color >> The text color to apply to the header area of a table. Prefix property >> name with "effective" to get the color being used when this property >> is set to empty. >> >> However when I try to get the "header text color" or the "effective >> header text color" property, I obtain empty. >> >> I checked in the DataGrid Library code, and not found any entry for >> this property in the getProps handler. >> >> I'm wrong? > > Le 15 mai 10 ? 01:05, zryip theSlug a ?crit : > >> 2010/5/14 zryip theSlug : >> >> It seems same for the "Text color" property. > > > Bonjour theSlug, > > No help, just to confirm. > > ?My trials (using message box): > > put the dgProp["header text color"] of grp "dataGrid" >> empty > put the dgProp["effective header text color"] of grp "dataGrid" >> empty > > set the dgProp["header text color"] of grp "dataGrid" to "red" >> works: the > headers text is in red > > BUT, having the headers in red : > put the dgProp["header text color"] of grp "dataGrid" >> empty > put the dgProp["effective header text color"] of grp "dataGrid" >> empty > > idem with "text color" property. > > So seems that as ?the "header text color" and the "text color" properties > are concerned: > ?one can set ?them > but not put (or get) them. > > > Le 14 mai 10 ? 19:48, zryip theSlug a ?crit : > >> Hi again, >> >> It seems that there is no way to set the "(effective) dimmed hilite >> color" property of a Data Grid. >> I checked the setProp handler of the Data Grid library and found >> nothing to set this property. Plus the getProp of this property seems >> to return always the kDefaultDimmedHiliteColor constant. >> >> I'm wrong? > > > > With > put the dgProp["effective dimmed hilite color"] of grp "datagrid" > I get "212,212,212" > > when I try : > set the dgProp["dimmed hilite color"] of grp "datagrid" (or with prefix > "effective") > I get --invalid property 'effective dimmed hilite color'-- > or --invalid property dimmed hilite color' > > Best regards from Grenoble (sad grey weather for quite a too long time now!) > > Andr? Bonjour Andr?, Thanks for your confirmation 8-) Get the properties "text color" and "header text color" seems totally unsupported also in the rev's property palette (colors and patterns tab). Just try to set a color for the two color boxes, then go in another tab and go back to the colors and patterns tab. The two boxes should be empty again. I wrote possible solutions for get a value: - For the text color: return the textColor of group "dgList" of tMyDataGrid - For the header text color: return the textColor of group "dgHeader" of tMyDataGrid Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From rabit at dimensionB.de Sat May 15 09:50:00 2010 From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 15:50:00 +0200 Subject: New revIgniter / irev TextMate bundles (v1.1b) Message-ID: <32E2FC89-DED2-4574-B2C9-CFB963228D58@dimensionB.de> Complemented the revIgniter / irev TextMate bundles according to the latest revIgniter additions. Get the latest version of TextMate bundles for revIgniter here: http://revigniter.com/accessory Best Ralf From mkoob at rogers.com Sat May 15 09:54:43 2010 From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 13:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: player object and https URL Message-ID: I tried to set the filename of a player object to the url for a movie which is on an ssl protected server ie https://www.mysecuresite.com/movie/mymovie.mov The movie does not load If I put open the same URL in a revbrowser window it works ie. put revBrowserOpen(the windowID of this stack, \ "https://www.mysecuresite.com/movie/mymovie.mov") into tBrowserId If I set the filename of an image object to an image on an ssl protected server it works ie. https://www.mysecuresite.com/movie/myimage.png So it seems that the player object is having problems with the https url. Is there something else I need to do or is this a bug. I searched the Rev Quality Control Center and I can't find a mention of this as a bug. Martin Koob From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Sat May 15 11:08:38 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 10:08:38 -0500 Subject: Is there a way to upload files? Message-ID: It's easy enough to look at a web form and convert it to a set of arguments to use in rev, like so: http://www.someserver.com/someAction.jspa?type=12&summary=this+is+a+test&user=geoff.canyon&password=test But what if the form includes file upload? Is there a way to take a local file and include it in a url to upload it to a web server? From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Sat May 15 11:45:19 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 08:45:19 -0700 Subject: Is there a way to upload files? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498311DD-3DC7-4D13-9915-E71BA087D7D5@yahoo.com> On May 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote: > It's easy enough to look at a web form and convert it to a set of > arguments to use in rev, like so: > > http://www.someserver.com/someAction.jspa?type=12&summary=this+is+a+test&user=geoff.canyon&password=test > > But what if the form includes file upload? Is there a way to take a > local file and include it in a url to upload it to a web server? Technically it is a major security breach to have a file upload occur without a use interaction, such as clicking a 'submit' button. Otherwise a scoundrel could begin uploading from anywhere on the user's hard drive in a steady sequence. Assuming you are doing the form correctly with user interaction, you would use the POST command in Rev to send one or more variables and their values to a URL. The basic idea is that you build header lines to control how the server script will operate on your data, then append variable=value pairs to the single variable. in the Rev script, when all the strings have been concatenated, the text is sent to the URL of the server script. The URL triggers a script that has been programmed to read and work with those variables (usually with error checking). The file upload is usually stored in a temporary directory on the web server with a random temporary name created by the web server, then renamed according to the name sent by the POST command. Look in the dictionary for specific examples of code that builds the header lines the appends the data pairs. The GET command does the same thing, except it has a limit of about 1000 characters. A server script that is well-written will check for GET variables and POST variables to detect which format has been set. Both methods will create an array such as > http://www.someserver.com/someAction.jspa?type=12&summary=this+is+a+test&user=geoff.canyon&password=test ( using PHP syntax for the array ) $_GET['type'] {which holds '12'} $_GET['summary'] {which holds 'this+is+a+test'} $_GET['user'] {which holds 'geoff.canyon'} $_GET['password'] {which holds 'test'} sending the variables as a block to the URL http://www.someserver.com/someAction.jspa $_POST['type'] {which holds '12'} $_POST['summary'] {which holds 'this+is+a+test'} $_POST['user'] {which holds 'geoff.canyon'} $_POST['password'] {which holds 'test'} Obviously, if you accidentally used the same variable name twice, there would be data loss, just as with Rev associative arrays. Hope this helps you get the idea. Jim Ault Las Vegas From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Sat May 15 11:47:24 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 17:47:24 +0200 Subject: [Data Grid] get the header text color In-Reply-To: References: <489C7922-006A-4A87-B987-8A9D61B484CB@inria.fr> Message-ID: Le 15 mai 10 ? 15:14, zryip theSlug a ?crit : >> >> Andr? > > Bonjour Andr?, > > Thanks for your confirmation 8-) > > Get the properties "text color" and "header text color" seems totally > unsupported also in the rev's property palette (colors and patterns > tab). > Just try to set a color for the two color boxes, then go in another > tab and go back to the colors and patterns tab. The two boxes should > be empty again. Yes, the 2 boxes resume their empty state but the texts (header or list) in the data grid are keeping the chosen colors; bizarre :-o)) > > > I wrote possible solutions for get a value: > - For the text color: > return the textColor of group "dgList" of tMyDataGrid > > - For the header text color: > return the textColor of group "dgHeader" of tMyDataGrid Nice idea! I did not know these possibilities, mostly "dgList" which can't be found in the docs Using the message box I tried : set the dgProp["header text color"] of grp "datagrid" to "red" put the textColor of grp "dgheader" of grp "dataGrid" >> get "255,0,0" ---------------- By the way, quite funny thing: the color of the characters we are perceiving "black" (header or list), actually is either empty or "black" (in an ordinary field also anyway!) Actually if I do: set the dgProp["text color"] of grp "datagrid" to "black" put the textColor of grp "dgList" of grp "dataGrid" I get "0,0,0" But, with an ordinary field, if I do : set the textColor of fld "tFld" to black put the textColor of fld "tFld" I get "black" So data grid confirms that "Black" is lack of color but ordinary field claims that black is a color ;-o))) Andr? > > > Regards, > -- > -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) > http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bill at bluewatermaritime.com Sat May 15 11:53:18 2010 From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:53:18 -0400 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box Message-ID: Jerry I'm asking this question on the RunRev forum because I want to announce here how much I love tRev. Anyway how do you search for a "put" that is like "put variable" and doesn't have an "into" so it opens the message box. I realize that I should have marked my code there or put message box because it is so hard to find a "put" that doesn't have an "into" Thanks From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Sat May 15 12:02:16 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:02:16 -0700 Subject: Location of stack Message-ID: In my program, I write the location of my stack (among other things) to a text file on exit, and then read it and set the location on startup. This works correctly on Windows, but on the Mac, the window moves up by 12 pixels every time. This happens both when I run the .rev file or when I run my standalone. I use 'the location of stack "main"' to get and set the location. I'm using Rev 3.5. Is this a known bug? -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat May 15 12:07:48 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:07:48 -0700 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: <4BEE6B83.2060800@gmail.com> References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <15BBA2C5-5B3B-4445-978C-807F5A4FDC2A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273789009771-2215870.post@n4.nabble.com> <47CBFE23-50FC-4CB7-A60A-D93411D0DE27@numericable.com> <4BEE6B83.2060800@gmail.com> Message-ID: In North America, the words *Bung* and *Bang* have very different meanings. It's like seeing 'bloody' all over the place to a UK'er. It bugs me every time. I get bad visual images. Our "Bung" is your "Bloody", buddy. Just thought I'd remind you. On 15 May 2010 02:38, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >>> > I have been banging on about sound export for years: > > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat May 15 12:12:29 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:12:29 -0700 Subject: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? In-Reply-To: References: <4BECA1BE.5010405@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: But isn't it still 'shared' with other clients on the same machine? I was offered something like this by Dreamhost but I get such great service and speed with a regular account, why should I bother? To get at the kernal? On 15 May 2010 03:36, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Since the advent of services such as Slicehost or Linode, I'm > surprised anyone bothers with shared hosting. Linode costs $20 a > month, and you get to choose from a variety of different linux > distributions. In my experience, the performance and support are > amazing. > > Bernard > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: > > I don't believe it's an Apache module. I'm not exactly sure what it is, > but > > when I asked if it was a module per se I was told it was not. That's a > good > > thing, IMO, since it would be next to impossible to install it on a > shared > > host if it were. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat May 15 12:28:11 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:28:11 -0700 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> Try putting the script in variable, and then finding the lineOffset of the line that contains "put" and has only 2 words. Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On May 15, 2010, at 8:53 AM, william humphrey wrote: > Jerry > > I'm asking this question on the RunRev forum because I want to announce here > how much I love tRev. Anyway how do you search for a "put" that is like > > "put variable" > > and doesn't have an "into" so it opens the message box. I realize that I > should have marked my code there or put message box because it is so hard to > find a "put" that doesn't have an "into" > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat May 15 12:34:35 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:34:35 -0700 Subject: New revIgniter / irev TextMate bundles (v1.1b) In-Reply-To: <32E2FC89-DED2-4574-B2C9-CFB963228D58@dimensionB.de> References: <32E2FC89-DED2-4574-B2C9-CFB963228D58@dimensionB.de> Message-ID: Ralf, what is your recommended update method if one has already installed RevIgniter? On 15 May 2010 06:50, Ralf Bitter wrote: > > Complemented the revIgniter / irev TextMate bundles > according to the latest revIgniter additions. > > Get the latest version of TextMate bundles > for revIgniter here: > > http://revigniter.com/accessory > > > Best > > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From bill at bluewatermaritime.com Sat May 15 12:42:53 2010 From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:42:53 -0400 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure it has only two words. I will try your suggestion though. It could be "put variable1 && variable2" It sure teaches me to never do this again. Always explicitly call the message box. I wish RunRev would remove the feature... On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Try putting the script in variable, and then finding the lineOffset of the > line that contains "put" and has only 2 words. > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > On May 15, 2010, at 8:53 AM, william humphrey > wrote: > > > Jerry > > > > I'm asking this question on the RunRev forum because I want to announce > here > > how much I love tRev. Anyway how do you search for a "put" that is like > > > > "put variable" > > > > and doesn't have an "into" so it opens the message box. I realize that I > > should have marked my code there or put message box because it is so hard > to > > find a "put" that doesn't have an "into" > > > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat May 15 12:52:09 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:52:09 -0700 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> Message-ID: Jerry had a function "Find Orphaned Puts" in GLX2 that would do this and I've been pestering him to reveal it or make a tRev plugin to use this. It worked well. Very useful for this old fashioned basic "debugging tool" . I'd make a variation - "Delete all orphaned puts" if it could be made foolproof. On 15 May 2010 09:42, william humphrey wrote: > I'm not sure it has only two words. I will try your suggestion though. It > could be "put variable1 && variable2" > It sure teaches me to never do this again. Always explicitly call the > message box. I wish RunRev would remove the feature... > > On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Scott Rossi >wrote: > > > Try putting the script in variable, and then finding the lineOffset of > the > > line that contains "put" and has only 2 words. > > > > Scott Rossi > > Creative Director > > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > > On May 15, 2010, at 8:53 AM, william humphrey < > bill at bluewatermaritime.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > I'm asking this question on the RunRev forum because I want to announce > > here > > > how much I love tRev. Anyway how do you search for a "put" that is like > > > > > > "put variable" > > > > > > and doesn't have an "into" so it opens the message box. I realize that > I > > > should have marked my code there or put message box because it is so > hard > > to > > > find a "put" that doesn't have an "into" > > > > > > Thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > http://www.bluewatermaritime.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat May 15 12:58:47 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:58:47 -0700 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> Message-ID: <39097A34-5DF0-4E35-B50A-8EE957782638@tactilemedia.com> The other thing to do is to make sure the line has no "into". Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On May 15, 2010, at 9:42 AM, william humphrey wrote: > I'm not sure it has only two words. I will try your suggestion though. It > could be "put variable1 && variable2" > It sure teaches me to never do this again. Always explicitly call the > message box. I wish RunRev would remove the feature... > > On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> Try putting the script in variable, and then finding the lineOffset of the >> line that contains "put" and has only 2 words. >> >> Scott Rossi >> Creative Director >> Tactile Media, UX Design >> >> On May 15, 2010, at 8:53 AM, william humphrey >> wrote: >> >>> Jerry >>> >>> I'm asking this question on the RunRev forum because I want to announce >> here >>> how much I love tRev. Anyway how do you search for a "put" that is like >>> >>> "put variable" >>> >>> and doesn't have an "into" so it opens the message box. I realize that I >>> should have marked my code there or put message box because it is so hard >> to >>> find a "put" that doesn't have an "into" >>> >>> Thanks >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.bluewatermaritime.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Sat May 15 13:10:37 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 10:10:37 -0700 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: <39097A34-5DF0-4E35-B50A-8EE957782638@tactilemedia.com> References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> <39097A34-5DF0-4E35-B50A-8EE957782638@tactilemedia.com> Message-ID: On May 15, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: > The other thing to do is to make sure the line has no "into". or after, or before Chipp Walters at Altuit had a utility that did this about 5 years ago. You could use a RegEx Find in the stack to look at all the scripts. I don't have time to do the RegEx string that would locate all put ignore 'into' 'after' 'before' on the same line thus creating a short list of -------------------------- A running detection technique could be ----------------- if the message box is "string I keep seeing but cannot find" then breakpoint Moving this further up the processing order should be able to isolate it for you. > > > On May 15, 2010, at 9:42 AM, william humphrey > wrote: > >> I'm not sure it has only two words. I will try your suggestion >> though. It >> could be "put variable1 && variable2" >> It sure teaches me to never do this again. Always explicitly call the >> message box. I wish RunRev would remove the feature... Compatibility with Hypercard will mean this feature will likely remain for a long time. Jim Ault Las Vegas From jerry.daniels at me.com Sat May 15 13:28:06 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:28:06 -0500 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BF18419-0118-4608-80EE-7BC67069416D@me.com> William, We did at one time in our previous editors have a Find Orphaned Put's menu item. tRev is me spare with its extra features, so we created a simple plugin architecture for all the extras you'd ever want. Check out the posts in our site regarding plugs. You go to the site and search, or search the site right from tRev's Help menu. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 15, 2010, at 10:53 AM, william humphrey wrote: > Jerry > > I'm asking this question on the RunRev forum because I want to announce here > how much I love tRev. Anyway how do you search for a "put" that is like > > "put variable" > > and doesn't have an "into" so it opens the message box. I realize that I > should have marked my code there or put message box because it is so hard to > find a "put" that doesn't have an "into" > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jerry.daniels at me.com Sat May 15 13:29:49 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:29:49 -0500 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> Message-ID: Excellent ideas for tRev plugins. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 15, 2010, at 11:52 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > Jerry had a function "Find Orphaned Puts" in GLX2 that would do this and > I've been pestering him to reveal it or make a tRev plugin to use this. It > worked well. > > Very useful for this old fashioned basic "debugging tool" . > > I'd make a variation - "Delete all orphaned puts" if it could be made > foolproof. > > On 15 May 2010 09:42, william humphrey wrote: > >> I'm not sure it has only two words. I will try your suggestion though. It >> could be "put variable1 && variable2" >> It sure teaches me to never do this again. Always explicitly call the >> message box. I wish RunRev would remove the feature... >> >> On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Scott Rossi >> wrote: >> >>> Try putting the script in variable, and then finding the lineOffset of >> the >>> line that contains "put" and has only 2 words. >>> >>> Scott Rossi >>> Creative Director >>> Tactile Media, UX Design >>> >>> On May 15, 2010, at 8:53 AM, william humphrey < >> bill at bluewatermaritime.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Jerry >>>> >>>> I'm asking this question on the RunRev forum because I want to announce >>> here >>>> how much I love tRev. Anyway how do you search for a "put" that is like >>>> >>>> "put variable" >>>> >>>> and doesn't have an "into" so it opens the message box. I realize that >> I >>>> should have marked my code there or put message box because it is so >> hard >>> to >>>> find a "put" that doesn't have an "into" >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.bluewatermaritime.com >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > Back home in SF > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 15 13:33:29 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 10:33:29 -0700 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: <39097A34-5DF0-4E35-B50A-8EE957782638@tactilemedia.com> References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> <39097A34-5DF0-4E35-B50A-8EE957782638@tactilemedia.com> Message-ID: <105-1590525218.20100515103329@ahsoftware.net> Scott- Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:58:47 AM, you wrote: > The other thing to do is to make sure the line has no "into". ...as in (untested, but you get the idea) put yourScript into someVariable filter someVariable with "put*" filter someVariable without "*into*" repeat for each line tLine in someVariable put lineOffset(tLine, yourScript) into tPos if tPos is not 0 then delete line tPos of yourScript end if end repeat -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat May 15 13:43:22 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 10:43:22 -0700 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: <105-1590525218.20100515103329@ahsoftware.net> References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> <39097A34-5DF0-4E35-B50A-8EE957782638@tactilemedia.com> <105-1590525218.20100515103329@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: collect the line numbers on the first pass, they ya gotta count backwards if you delete lines, Mark. Repeat for each won't work unless the entire script is rebuilt. Do we need a "backwards offset"?? On 15 May 2010 10:33, Mark Wieder wrote: > Scott- > > Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:58:47 AM, you wrote: > > > The other thing to do is to make sure the line has no "into". > > ...as in (untested, but you get the idea) > > put yourScript into someVariable > filter someVariable with "put*" > filter someVariable without "*into*" > > repeat for each line tLine in someVariable > put lineOffset(tLine, yourScript) into tPos > if tPos is not 0 then > delete line tPos of yourScript > end if > end repeat > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From bill at bluewatermaritime.com Sat May 15 13:45:41 2010 From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 13:45:41 -0400 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> <39097A34-5DF0-4E35-B50A-8EE957782638@tactilemedia.com> <105-1590525218.20100515103329@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: I really like the idea of there being a plug-in for tRev that "finds orphaned puts" On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:43 PM, stephen barncard < stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > collect the line numbers on the first pass, they ya gotta count backwards > if > you delete lines, Mark. Repeat for each won't work unless the entire script > is rebuilt. > > Do we need a "backwards offset"?? > > On 15 May 2010 10:33, Mark Wieder wrote: > > > Scott- > > > > Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:58:47 AM, you wrote: > > > > > The other thing to do is to make sure the line has no "into". > > > > ...as in (untested, but you get the idea) > > > > put yourScript into someVariable > > filter someVariable with "put*" > > filter someVariable without "*into*" > > > > repeat for each line tLine in someVariable > > put lineOffset(tLine, yourScript) into tPos > > if tPos is not 0 then > > delete line tPos of yourScript > > end if > > end repeat > > > > -- > > -Mark Wieder > > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > Back home in SF > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Sat May 15 13:56:47 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:56:47 -0500 Subject: Is there a way to upload files? In-Reply-To: <498311DD-3DC7-4D13-9915-E71BA087D7D5@yahoo.com> References: <498311DD-3DC7-4D13-9915-E71BA087D7D5@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I wasn't implying that this would happen behind the user's back. I'm trying to interface to Jira. I can create a bug tracking ticket for the user based on input they've provided, but I don't know how attachments work. I can send info using post, but are you saying I would sent the file contents themselves as a post argument? That's where I'm unclear. thanks, gc On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Jim Ault wrote: > On May 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote: > >> It's easy enough to look at a web form and convert it to a set of >> arguments to use in rev, like so: >> >> >> http://www.someserver.com/someAction.jspa?type=12&summary=this+is+a+test&user=geoff.canyon&password=test >> >> But what if the form includes file upload? Is there a way to take a local >> file and include it in a url to upload it to a web server? > > Technically it is a major security breach to have a file upload occur > without a use interaction, such as clicking a 'submit' button. > Otherwise a scoundrel could begin uploading from anywhere on the user's hard > drive in a steady sequence. > > Assuming you are doing the form correctly with user interaction, you would > use the POST command in Rev to send one or more variables and their values > to a URL. > > The basic idea is that you build header lines to control how the server > script will operate on your data, then append variable=value pairs to the > single variable. > > in the Rev script, when all the strings have been concatenated, the text is > sent to the URL of the server script. > The URL triggers a script that has been programmed to read and work with > those variables (usually with error checking). > > The file upload is usually stored in a temporary directory on the web server > with a random temporary name created by the web server, then renamed > according to the name sent by the POST command. > > Look in the dictionary for specific examples of code that builds the header > lines the appends the data pairs. > > The GET command does the same thing, except it has a limit of about 1000 > characters. > A server script that is well-written will check for GET variables and POST > variables to detect which format has been set. > > Both methods will create an array such as > >> >> http://www.someserver.com/someAction.jspa?type=12&summary=this+is+a+test&user=geoff.canyon&password=test > > ?( using PHP syntax for the array ) > $_GET['type'] ? ? ? ? {which holds '12'} > $_GET['summary'] ?{which holds 'this+is+a+test'} > $_GET['user'] ? ? ? ? {which holds 'geoff.canyon'} > $_GET['password'] ?{which holds 'test'} > > sending the variables as a block to the URL > http://www.someserver.com/someAction.jspa > $_POST['type'] ? ? ? ? {which holds '12'} > $_POST['summary'] ?{which holds 'this+is+a+test'} > $_POST['user'] ? ? ? ? {which holds 'geoff.canyon'} > $_POST['password'] ?{which holds 'test'} > > Obviously, if you accidentally used the same variable name twice, there > would be data loss, just as with Rev associative arrays. > > Hope this helps you get the idea. > > > Jim Ault > Las Vegas > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bill at bluewatermaritime.com Sat May 15 14:06:44 2010 From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:06:44 -0400 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> <39097A34-5DF0-4E35-B50A-8EE957782638@tactilemedia.com> <105-1590525218.20100515103329@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Just went to the tRev site. There are some plug-ins there (ones that put lists of cards, scripts etc into an email message) but no "find orphan puts" plug-in From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat May 15 14:33:27 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:33:27 -0700 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> <39097A34-5DF0-4E35-B50A-8EE957782638@tactilemedia.com> <105-1590525218.20100515103329@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: I never said there was one. No, Jerry in his wisdom, has left* *it up to us to develop it as an exercise. So I'll probably do it if someone else doesn't. It's not *that*much of a brain teaser. On 15 May 2010 11:06, william humphrey wrote: > Just went to the tRev site. There are some plug-ins there (ones that put > lists of cards, scripts etc into an email message) but no "find orphan > puts" > plug-in > _______________________________________________ > From bill at bluewatermaritime.com Sat May 15 14:34:49 2010 From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:34:49 -0400 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> <39097A34-5DF0-4E35-B50A-8EE957782638@tactilemedia.com> <105-1590525218.20100515103329@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Thanks (I started to say Stephen but I see I should say) "everyone" -- I found my orphan put using put yourScript into someVariable filter someVariable with "put*" filter someVariable without "*into*" Except that you have to say filter someVariable with "*put*" for it to work as there must be a space or something before the word put Bill From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 15 14:53:44 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:53:44 -0700 Subject: Is there a way to upload files? In-Reply-To: References: <498311DD-3DC7-4D13-9915-E71BA087D7D5@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <139-1585709671.20100515115344@ahsoftware.net> Geoff- Saturday, May 15, 2010, 10:56:47 AM, you wrote: > I wasn't implying that this would happen behind the user's back. I'm > trying to interface to Jira. I can create a bug tracking ticket for > the user based on input they've provided, but I don't know how > attachments work. !I just started looking into doing an interface to Jira yesterday! ...and btw, Atlassian has *great* licensing if you're interested in professional-quality cross-platform (anywhere java runs) tools. They have a special $10 10-user license for all their tools, and all the proceeds go to fund literacy programs. http://www.atlassian.com -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat May 15 14:55:46 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:55:46 -0700 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> <39097A34-5DF0-4E35-B50A-8EE957782638@tactilemedia.com> <105-1590525218.20100515103329@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Inside the tRev plug environment, perhaps it would be easiest for your plug script to 'comment out' all the instances of found puts with a special comment that could be easily found like "-- * put it". Otherwise you'd need a dialog or something to do them individually unless it's a mass removal - (which I would never trust!!) On 15 May 2010 11:34, william humphrey wrote: > Thanks (I started to say Stephen but I see I should say) "everyone" -- I > found my orphan put using > > put yourScript into someVariable > filter someVariable with "put*" > filter someVariable without "*into*" > > Except that you have to say > > filter someVariable with "*put*" for it to work as there must be a space or > something before the word put > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From katir at hindu.org Sat May 15 14:57:00 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 08:57:00 -1000 Subject: Search Many Docs to Return Search Results Message-ID: <4BEEEE7C.2010004@hindu.org> I feel like I'm about to reinvent the wheel here... and I believe I even posted this query once before but am having trouble finding the emails where some good souls responded previously Can anyone who has created any search-many-docs scripts post their library or scripts for returning search results? or point to a stack online that has contains scripts that will serve? We want to the user to enter a term... Rev will dig a number of html files. Not many, so, we will just read them from disk. The search "engine" will step through the documents and return a list of hits. We retrieve the entire line using lineoffset and move on to the next instance in the same doc. Then proceed to the next file. For display we want to show the user about 100 chars before and after the term found and then post this to a search results field, where she can see the results, hover over the small excerpt will pop up the whole line-paragraph, and a click will open the document (set the html text of a field to the doc) and take her to that place in the document. I have parts of the above here and there in various stacks, especially the last part I have some code that steps through a field and sets the highlight color of the search term and the user can quickly scan and see his term in color... and I think I can put it together, but... I'm guessing many of you already have various flavors of this scenario already built and much better coded than I could do. so, if anyone has any snippets for any part of the above scenario I can put them together with what I have. Thanks! Sivakatirswami From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 15 14:57:56 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 11:57:56 -0700 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> <39097A34-5DF0-4E35-B50A-8EE957782638@tactilemedia.com> <105-1590525218.20100515103329@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <95-1585458156.20100515115756@ahsoftware.net> william- Saturday, May 15, 2010, 11:34:49 AM, you wrote: > Except that you have to say > filter someVariable with "*put*" for it to work as there must be a space or > something before the word put If you're thinking in generic terms, you'd need to do some more work after that. Your example would also catch and delete send "sputter" to card "xyz" if tWord is in "get,put,send,dispatch" save this stack -- I put this in a comment. Checking for "put" as the first word in the line before deleting it would do the trick, I think. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Sat May 15 15:00:39 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:00:39 -0500 Subject: Is there a way to upload files? In-Reply-To: <139-1585709671.20100515115344@ahsoftware.net> References: <498311DD-3DC7-4D13-9915-E71BA087D7D5@yahoo.com> <139-1585709671.20100515115344@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Geoff- > > !I just started looking into doing an interface to Jira yesterday! > > ...and btw, Atlassian has *great* licensing if you're interested in > professional-quality cross-platform (anywhere java runs) tools. They > have a special $10 10-user license for all their tools, and all the > proceeds go to fund literacy programs. > > http://www.atlassian.com > > -- > -Mark Wieder > ?mwieder at ahsoftware.net So far I've successfully created tickets in Jira, with several fields set. I need to figure out updating tickets as well. Then if I could attach files I'd be done. gc From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 15 15:01:44 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:01:44 -0700 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> <39097A34-5DF0-4E35-B50A-8EE957782638@tactilemedia.com> <105-1590525218.20100515103329@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <182-1585230453.20100515120144@ahsoftware.net> stephen- Saturday, May 15, 2010, 10:43:22 AM, you wrote: > collect the line numbers on the first pass, they ya gotta count backwards if > you delete lines, Mark. Repeat for each won't work unless the entire script > is rebuilt. It's not collecting line numbers, otherwise it would indeed run into that problem. Just collecting actual text, and finding the lineoffset in the loop. > Do we need a "backwards offset"?? I'd love it if the third optional parameter for the xOffset commands could be negative, saying "start from the end" instead of from the beginning. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mkoob at rogers.com Sat May 15 15:02:48 2010 From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: player object and https URL References: Message-ID: Martin Koob writes: > > I tried to set the filename of a player object to the url for a movie which > is on an ssl protected server > ie https://www.mysecuresite.com/movie/mymovie.mov > The movie does not load > One additional thing I noticed. If I set the filename of the player by script to an https url it will return "could not create movie reference" Any ideas why this happens? Martin From rabit at dimensionB.de Sat May 15 15:09:15 2010 From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 21:09:15 +0200 Subject: New revIgniter / irev TextMate bundles (v1.1b) In-Reply-To: References: <32E2FC89-DED2-4574-B2C9-CFB963228D58@dimensionB.de> Message-ID: <4BB9D6C0-595E-42D3-BBF1-4116468D5E34@dimensionB.de> Stephen, you could do an update just by double clicking the bundles / theme, but this mixes up the bundle menu structure. So, it is best, though inconvenient, to replace the appropriate files in Library/Application Support/TextMate with the files of the downloaded revIgniterTMbundles folder. (Need to address this in the ReadMe file. Sorry, failed to do that.) Best Ralf On 15.05.2010, at 18:34, stephen barncard wrote: > Ralf, what is your recommended update method if one has already installed > RevIgniter? > From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sat May 15 15:13:09 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 20:13:09 +0100 Subject: revigniter - Model-View-Controller in Rev terms? Message-ID: I'm investigating Ralf's revIgniter framework (fantastic work, by the way), and start running into my 'narrow' experience of programming... Model-View-Controller is a programming approach that is new to me. Separating presentation & data (as in most CMS-driven websites) is another matter. A bit of help from Google & Wikipedia & I *think* I've got an idea how it works, but would like some reassurance/pointers from the list in translating concepts into what I know (Rev). MVC in Rev terms would be (roughly): View is a Stack visible to the user (or audio etc.). Everything is presented through this to the user. Controller takes input from the user (mouse-clicks, typing, keystrokes etc.) and does the major processing? e.g. Rev handlers that handle the bulk of the logic in an app? Model would then be equivalent to all the 'utility' handlers and libraries? I'm aware that there may not be a one-to-one equivalency here, but is this along the right lines? Thanks, Ian From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl Sat May 15 15:39:12 2010 From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 21:39:12 +0200 Subject: News on revMobile and the iPhone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7E8C3A7A-B726-400C-96C5-3C916BCB74C1@de-mare.nl> Because of my vacation, I wasn't able to respond earlier to Kevin's sad news. Being an Apple fan, this change in Apple's license agreement is the first major disappointment in the company. It has obviously nothing to do with performance like they say. If that was the case, they should exclude JavaScript because it's a high level, interpreted language. And they should ban all Obj-C/C++ code written by less experienced programmers... Neither has it anything to do with being prepared for the future. I know RunRev as a very nimble company who adapts very fast to new trends, new OSes and new hardware. I don't know how RunRev does it, but apparently the architecture of their product(s) is so good they can adjust very quickly and they stay in the saddle when the industry makes crazy turns. So I cannot think of any sane reason why Apple changed their license agreement. It has probably to do with the Flash war against Adobe. But actually this would be an easy battle for Adobe to win. When ActionScript 3.0 came out, they reconstructed the language to be compatible with JavaScript, which they use as scripting language in other Creative Suite products. So all Adobe has to do is rename ActionScript to JavaScript... So RunRev just seems to suffer as collateral damage in this stupid war between these big players. Terry From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 15 15:43:23 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 22:43:23 +0300 Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement In-Reply-To: References: <12AA29D9-1E5B-453F-8E17-862BB1447555@me.com> <15BBA2C5-5B3B-4445-978C-807F5A4FDC2A@azurevision.co.uk> <1273789009771-2215870.post@n4.nabble.com> <47CBFE23-50FC-4CB7-A60A-D93411D0DE27@numericable.com> <4BEE6B83.2060800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BEEF95B.9040407@gmail.com> On 15/05/2010 19:07, stephen barncard wrote: > In North America, the words *Bung* and *Bang* have very different meanings. > It's like seeing 'bloody' all over the place to a UK'er. It bugs me every > time. I get bad visual images. > > Our "Bung" is your "Bloody", buddy. > > Just thought I'd remind you. > You are not reminding me; you a teaching me, because I did not know that. Notwithstanding; Thank you for reminding me - I shall avoid that word in future . . . :) As a person who believes the 'UK' to be an illegal entity created after our legal monarch (James VII) was expelled from the British Isles; I jalouse at the term "UK'er". I am either a Scot, an Anglo-Scot, or at worst British. From LunchnMeets at aol.com Sat May 15 15:54:06 2010 From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 15:54:06 EDT Subject: Another DataGrid Question Message-ID: <9522d.3a4469a3.392055de@aol.com> Hi Everyone First of all thanks to Zryip for the answer to my last grid question. Now that problem is solved, but I have another. I have a dataGrid with 8 columns and 1000 rows. Knowing the data of a line of column 2, I need to retrieve the data of column 1 of that line. I don't want to change anything in the dataGrid while doing this. How is this best accomplished? If it helps Column 1 is titled Securities and column 2 is titled Symbol. Thanks in advance for your continued assistance. Joe in Orlando From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Sat May 15 16:07:58 2010 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 21:07:58 +0100 Subject: Is there a way to upload files? In-Reply-To: References: <498311DD-3DC7-4D13-9915-E71BA087D7D5@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <62AF7A3B-54EA-408B-A3A0-215A3ECC5323@lacscentre.co.uk> On 15 May 2010, at 18:56, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote: > I wasn't implying that this would happen behind the user's back. I'm > trying to interface to Jira. I can create a bug tracking ticket for > the user based on input they've provided, but I don't know how > attachments work. > > I can send info using post, but are you saying I would sent the file > contents themselves as a post argument? That's where I'm unclear. > > thanks, Geoff You can upload a file using post by using libUrlMultipartFormData. The use is a little complicated. You set the httpHeaders to the first line of the returned data, and lines 2 to the end is the data to post. There's an example in the Rev docs, but I think some of the text is messed up. (It shows html entities in some places where it shouldn't.) There's another example here: http://www.lacscentre.com/liburl/liburldoc.html#libUrlMultipartFormData Cheers Dave From kee at kagi.com Sat May 15 16:09:17 2010 From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 13:09:17 -0700 Subject: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? In-Reply-To: <331429.3770.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <331429.3770.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My apology to the group for the snarky email response. When I read the response from Lyn to Richard's email I interpreted it as a response from RunRev on why they were no longer releasing revCGI updates. It appeared to me the reason that rev was not releasing updates was due to a concern about not being able to get the word about updates and such out to the community. I should have realized I was mis-reading the thread. My mistake. On May 14, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > -- Sent last post too soon! -- > ---------------------------------------------------- > Kee Nethery wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------- > I know that given the privacy concerns of our business, we cannot use the Rev engine hosted on a machine that we do not control. > ---------------------------------------------------- > Kee, > > Am I missing something obvious? If you control the machine then you can put the Rev engine on it. Usually the problem is the other way around. People want to use a commercial server but can't get the server people to let them upload the engine. > > Mike From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Sat May 15 16:10:44 2010 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 21:10:44 +0100 Subject: Is there a way to upload files? In-Reply-To: <62AF7A3B-54EA-408B-A3A0-215A3ECC5323@lacscentre.co.uk> References: <498311DD-3DC7-4D13-9915-E71BA087D7D5@yahoo.com> <62AF7A3B-54EA-408B-A3A0-215A3ECC5323@lacscentre.co.uk> Message-ID: <8493F046-5114-4966-963F-B4D46B2CA62D@lacscentre.co.uk> On 15 May 2010, at 21:07, Dave Cragg wrote: > The use is a little complicated. You set the httpHeaders to the first line of the returned data, and lines 2 to the end is the data to post. More complicated than I remember. It doesn't return the data. Instead, you pass in a variable that gets filled in. But it's explained in the link. Dave From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Sat May 15 16:16:57 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 15:16:57 -0500 Subject: Is there a way to upload files? In-Reply-To: <8493F046-5114-4966-963F-B4D46B2CA62D@lacscentre.co.uk> References: <498311DD-3DC7-4D13-9915-E71BA087D7D5@yahoo.com> <62AF7A3B-54EA-408B-A3A0-215A3ECC5323@lacscentre.co.uk> <8493F046-5114-4966-963F-B4D46B2CA62D@lacscentre.co.uk> Message-ID: thanks, I'll give it a shot! On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Dave Cragg wrote: > > On 15 May 2010, at 21:07, Dave Cragg wrote: > >> The use is a little complicated. You set the httpHeaders to the first line of the returned data, and lines 2 to the end is the data to post. > > More complicated than I remember. It doesn't return the data. Instead, you pass in a variable that gets filled in. But it's explained in the link. > > Dave_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sat May 15 16:48:29 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 22:48:29 +0200 Subject: Another DataGrid Question In-Reply-To: <9522d.3a4469a3.392055de@aol.com> References: <9522d.3a4469a3.392055de@aol.com> Message-ID: 2010/5/15 : > Hi Everyone > > First of all thanks to Zryip for the answer to my last grid question. Now > that problem is solved, but I have another. You're welcome ;) > I have a dataGrid with 8 columns and 1000 rows. Knowing the data of a line > of column 2, I need to retrieve the data of column 1 of that line. I don't > want to change anything in the dataGrid while doing this. How is this best > accomplished? If it helps Column 1 is titled Securities and column 2 is titled > Symbol. Assuming that you know the number of the line, a possible way is to read the data of the line, then read the content of the column securities, like this: put the dgDataOfLine[tTheLine] of tMyDataGrid into tTheDataA put tTheDataA["securities"] into tTheValueOfColumn1 Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat May 15 16:54:36 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 06:54:36 +1000 Subject: Location of stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm guessing your stack has a menu. On Mac stacks, Rev does some funny business to hide the menu buttons off the top of the stacks window and create a real Mac menu. But this doesn't happen immediately. If you set the loc in a preOpenStack or startup handler, the menu bar will not have been hidden yet and the stack will effectively be taller. If you set the loc in an openStack handler, then the menu will have been hidden and the height of the stack the same as it was when you stored the loc, so it will work as expected. One workaround is to check if there is a menubar and, if so, check if there is a difference in height between the stack and the card. If they are the same, then the menu has not yet drawn and you need to compensate for this manually. Cheers. Sarah On Sunday, May 16, 2010, Paul D. DeRocco wrote: > In my program, I write the location of my stack (among other things) to a > text file on exit, and then read it and set the location on startup. This > works correctly on Windows, but on the Mac, the window moves up by 12 pixels > every time. This happens both when I run the .rev file or when I run my > standalone. I use 'the location of stack "main"' to get and set the > location. I'm using Rev 3.5. Is this a known bug? > > -- > > Ciao, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Paul D. DeRocco > Paul ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat May 15 16:59:38 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 06:59:38 +1000 Subject: revigniter - Model-View-Controller in Rev terms? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I haven't tried revIgniter yet, although I intend to. But my grasp of MVC comes from Objective-C and k assume it is much the same regardless of language. View: as out say, this is what the use sees - the interface. Model: this is the data structure and the data itself. Controller: the bit in between that reacts to user input or events and gets data from the model and presents it to the view, altering it if required. So the Controller is where the scripts go. Hopefully someone with a better grasp of these concepts than me, will be able to step in here if I have got it wrong. Cheers, Sarah On Sunday, May 16, 2010, Ian Wood wrote: > I'm investigating Ralf's revIgniter framework (fantastic work, by the way), and start running into my 'narrow' experience of programming... > > Model-View-Controller is a programming approach that is new to me. Separating presentation & data (as in most CMS-driven websites) is another matter. > > A bit of help from Google & Wikipedia & I *think* I've got an idea how it works, but would like some reassurance/pointers from the list in translating concepts into what I know (Rev). > > > MVC in Rev terms would be (roughly): > > View is a Stack visible to the user (or audio etc.). Everything is presented through this to the user. > > Controller takes input from the user (mouse-clicks, typing, keystrokes etc.) and does the major processing? e.g. Rev handlers that handle the bulk of the logic in an app? > > Model would then be equivalent to all the 'utility' handlers and libraries? > > > I'm aware that there may not be a one-to-one equivalency here, but is this along the right lines? > > Thanks, > > Ian > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From rabit at dimensionB.de Sat May 15 17:06:59 2010 From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 23:06:59 +0200 Subject: revigniter - Model-View-Controller in Rev terms? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74C09D6B-45B4-4FC6-8CBE-089CC166AE8A@dimensionB.de> OK, one could compare a stack with a web application. Then a view is what is presented to a user, something like the layout of one card (page) of your stack, consisting of all the visible components (images, forms, text, buttons etc.), containing a minimal amount of code, if at all. The controller in terms of Rev is your card script, which holds code solely related to this specific card (page) and serves as an intermediary between your libraries (models), the controls on your card (page) and any other resources (stack script etc.). The model is the logic, responsible for inserting, updating and retrieving data. This code, usable by all your cards (pages), resides in a highly specialized stack (model) used as a library. The goal of revIgniter's Model-View-Controller development pattern is to separate application logic from presentation, to keep your code as clean as possible ( you don't really want irev files containig a wild mixture of HTML, CSS, JavaScript and revTalk) and to apply reusable code (model) where appropriate. Though, the separation added by models is not mandatory, instead revIgniter enables you to work in a way that makes the most sense to you. Best Ralf On 15.05.2010, at 21:13, Ian Wood wrote: > I'm investigating Ralf's revIgniter framework (fantastic work, by the way), and start running into my 'narrow' experience of programming... > > Model-View-Controller is a programming approach that is new to me. Separating presentation & data (as in most CMS-driven websites) is another matter. > > A bit of help from Google & Wikipedia & I *think* I've got an idea how it works, but would like some reassurance/pointers from the list in translating concepts into what I know (Rev). > > > MVC in Rev terms would be (roughly): > > View is a Stack visible to the user (or audio etc.). Everything is presented through this to the user. > > Controller takes input from the user (mouse-clicks, typing, keystrokes etc.) and does the major processing? e.g. Rev handlers that handle the bulk of the logic in an app? > > Model would then be equivalent to all the 'utility' handlers and libraries? > > > I'm aware that there may not be a one-to-one equivalency here, but is this along the right lines? > > Thanks, > > Ian From massung at gmail.com Sat May 15 17:40:41 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 16:40:41 -0500 Subject: revigniter - Model-View-Controller in Rev terms? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It might be easier to think of a real-world example to use MVC in. Try not to analogize MVC with something in Rev or another environment that you may be used to, because what usually ends up happening is that one ends up sledgehammering a concept into a box that it doesn't quite fit into, damaging the perception of what that concept actually is. Try taking something a bit more concrete, that you understand very well, and create a mental picture of what the Model, View(s) and Controller(s) might be for it. For example: a checking account. The model is strictly data. It could be a file on your hard drive, a database entry on a remote server, or even your balance book. The controller becomes the method by which the data in the model is changed. For our checking account, presumably there will be functionality to withdraw and deposit funds, transfer to another account, etc. The controller is how the user does this. The controller could be HTTP commands, functions in a script, or even the teller at your local branch. The controller doesn't even have to be a user interface. For example (purely for show): http://chase.com/deposit?acct=2938302&amnt=12.43 The view - on the other hand - is nothing more than the fetching and representing of the data associated with the model. It could be a bar graph showing deposits vs. withdraws over a period of time, or just a field displaying the current balance. It could be an ATM machine, a mobile phone, a web page, or something else. And just like the controllers, there can be many views all functioning at once giving you many different views of the exact same data set. What's important here is that each of these components are independent of each other, and they don't even need to all be present [together] to have a functioning "application." In fact, most MVC architectures are set up in such a way that this paradigm is magnified. In our example, the model is on a remote server at a bank. There are many views, and many controllers. Which view you are using right now has absolutely no bearing on what controller you happen to be using and vice-versa. You could be standing at an ATM making a deposit and see the new balance instantly on your Blackberry. Hope this helps some, Jeff M. From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sat May 15 17:48:16 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 22:48:16 +0100 Subject: revigniter - Model-View-Controller in Rev terms? In-Reply-To: <74C09D6B-45B4-4FC6-8CBE-089CC166AE8A@dimensionB.de> References: <74C09D6B-45B4-4FC6-8CBE-089CC166AE8A@dimensionB.de> Message-ID: <764D6081-D902-49C6-A5F4-AD405B3054D6@azurevision.co.uk> Thanks Sarah, Ralf & Jeff, I've read through the MVC pages in the revIgniter docs again and it's making more sense. I can see that it'll be enormously powerful when understood. Watch this space. ;-) Ian From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat May 15 18:44:39 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 15:44:39 -0700 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: <182-1585230453.20100515120144@ahsoftware.net> References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> <39097A34-5DF0-4E35-B50A-8EE957782638@tactilemedia.com> <105-1590525218.20100515103329@ahsoftware.net> <182-1585230453.20100515120144@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: makes sense. Should have run the code. Sorry to jump to conclusions. On 15 May 2010 12:01, Mark Wieder wrote: > stephen- > > Saturday, May 15, 2010, 10:43:22 AM, you wrote: > > > collect the line numbers on the first pass, they ya gotta count backwards > if > > you delete lines, Mark. Repeat for each won't work unless the entire > script > > is rebuilt. > > It's not collecting line numbers, otherwise it would indeed run into > that problem. Just collecting actual text, and finding the lineoffset > in the loop. > > > Do we need a "backwards offset"?? > > I'd love it if the third optional parameter for the xOffset commands > could be negative, saying "start from the end" instead of from the > beginning. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 15 18:58:52 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 15:58:52 -0700 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: References: <0FC189A2-6AAE-40E6-8C55-C34857F8F4E1@tactilemedia.com> <39097A34-5DF0-4E35-B50A-8EE957782638@tactilemedia.com> <105-1590525218.20100515103329@ahsoftware.net> <182-1585230453.20100515120144@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <10-1571002343.20100515155852@ahsoftware.net> stephen- Saturday, May 15, 2010, 3:44:39 PM, you wrote: > makes sense. Should have run the code. Sorry to jump to conclusions. Well, as I pointed out, I didn't actually run it myself. But while I was writing it I noticed that deleting lines might be a problem, thought it through and figured that it *probably* wasn't. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From howard.bornstein at gmail.com Sun May 16 00:06:30 2010 From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 21:06:30 -0700 Subject: Nice OSX tip: creating an image with a desktop snapshot without scripting In-Reply-To: References: <51CCBEC2-DAEC-40F3-805B-ACF2B661A61D@ezpzapps.com> Message-ID: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > > On May 15, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Jim Sims wrote: > > > > > Command-SHIFT-4-Space Bar captures the window under the cursor. > > That can be described better as: Command-Shift-4 gives you the usual > caption selection to a file, and Control-Command-Shift-4 gives you the usual > capture to clipboard, but if instead of dragging the mouse to make a > selection, you press the space bar and then move the mouse over the various > open windows, you can click to capture the one that is highlighted. It also > grabs all of the window, not just the parts that are sticking out from under > other windows. > This trick is very versatile. Beside capturing entire windows as you've described, it will also capture the entire menu bar, any open menu, the dock, and any icon on the desktop, including the icon name. Very useful for documentation that requires showing parts of the Macintosh interface. -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com From jim at d-film.com Sun May 16 01:32:22 2010 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 01:32:22 -0400 Subject: News on revMobile and the iPhone In-Reply-To: <7E8C3A7A-B726-400C-96C5-3C916BCB74C1@de-mare.nl> References: <7E8C3A7A-B726-400C-96C5-3C916BCB74C1@de-mare.nl> Message-ID: When elephants dance, eveyone else gets squashed... > So RunRev just seems to suffer as collateral damage in this stupid war between these big players. From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Sun May 16 02:34:36 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 23:34:36 -0700 Subject: Location of stack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Sarah Reichelt > > I'm guessing your stack has a menu. On Mac stacks, Rev does some funny > business to hide the menu buttons off the top of the stacks window and > create a real Mac menu. But this doesn't happen immediately. > > If you set the loc in a preOpenStack or startup handler, the menu bar > will not have been hidden yet and the stack will effectively be > taller. If you set the loc in an openStack handler, then the menu will > have been hidden and the height of the stack the same as it was when > you stored the loc, so it will work as expected. > > One workaround is to check if there is a menubar and, if so, check if > there is a difference in height between the stack and the card. If > they are the same, then the menu has not yet drawn and you need to > compensate for this manually. Thanks, Sarah. If I do it in openStack instead of preOpenStack, will it still position the window before it's first displayed? -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 16 04:07:49 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 10:07:49 +0200 Subject: Runtime Revolution? In-Reply-To: <1273835783787-2216427.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <5626ACC6-3145-47A6-88E4-63398848B4D7@robert-marquardt.com> <1273835783787-2216427.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <816602A5-A3BE-48F9-9A97-264C9E52AD61@numericable.com> Oui ! Oui ! Oui ! Oui ! Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! Le 14 mai 2010 ? 13:16, Robert Mann a ?crit : > For info I just left this message on his site.. > i'm pretty sure we would be quite a few people intresting in such a library > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi I got your contact through Robert Marquardt on the revolution nabble > list. > > It seems that you could be interested in building some libraries for > runrev?! > > I just wanted to let you know of a runrev "hole" that would call for an > external library to deal with basic audio functions. > -- runrev uses quicktimes, and just allow to play and record, full stop. > -- a quicktime external "enhanced" library does add a quite a lot of > functions. But it is mostly targeted at video. Example : the transition > filter does not seem to deal with the audio channels.. so no audio fade in > an out. Up to now it is the great and only existing sound library for > runrev, thanks to Trevor de Vore. > > Sound quality is something important to users, even unconsciously it brings > a sense of quality. Se we miss just a few basic sound functions like : > > A to enhance quality of recorded wave files : > - fade in / fade out > - cross mix fade in and out > - normalization > - a simple basic reverb/echo combined for voice/music with basic setting > > ==> Just that would be a really nice helper that could let you test the > runrev world! > > B to output mp3 (so far we have to use lame which is great, but, implies > installing that on each computer... an included plugin would be much more > simple and reduce risks of support issues) > > C ?? if hunger for .. basic mix functions between deifferent sound files, > opening up a new era for runrev for music tools... > > There are a few people who have done a few great music programs already on > runrev. The challenge is that a runrev library has to be ok in Os X and > windows.. and possibly linux.. ! > > have a good day from France, > Robert Maniquant From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun May 16 04:22:08 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 18:22:08 +1000 Subject: Location of stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88E39D74-6664-41C5-9FAE-9F6D89AF5222@gmail.com> On 16/05/2010, at 4:34 PM, "Paul D. DeRocco" wrote: >> From: Sarah Reichelt >> >> I'm guessing your stack has a menu. On Mac stacks, Rev does some funny >> business to hide the menu buttons off the top of the stacks window and >> create a real Mac menu. But this doesn't happen immediately. >> >> If you set the loc in a preOpenStack or startup handler, the menu bar >> will not have been hidden yet and the stack will effectively be >> taller. If you set the loc in an openStack handler, then the menu will >> have been hidden and the height of the stack the same as it was when >> you stored the loc, so it will work as expected. >> >> One workaround is to check if there is a menubar and, if so, check if >> there is a difference in height between the stack and the card. If >> they are the same, then the menu has not yet drawn and you need to >> compensate for this manually. > > Thanks, Sarah. If I do it in openStack instead of preOpenStack, will it > still position the window before it's first displayed? No, in that case, it should work fine, except that your users will see the window flash up and then move. > A compromise might be to set the loc in both handlers. Then it will appear almost in the right place and then shuffle a little bit. Cheers, Sarah From jerry.daniels at me.com Sun May 16 05:16:03 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 04:16:03 -0500 Subject: Location of stack In-Reply-To: <88E39D74-6664-41C5-9FAE-9F6D89AF5222@gmail.com> References: <88E39D74-6664-41C5-9FAE-9F6D89AF5222@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2E5DAD3F-EAD4-4DE9-AA9A-E230C66B2AC8@me.com> You could also hide the stack on preOpenStack then do your business and show the stack on openStack. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 16, 2010, at 3:22 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On 16/05/2010, at 4:34 PM, "Paul D. DeRocco" wrote: > >>> From: Sarah Reichelt >>> >>> I'm guessing your stack has a menu. On Mac stacks, Rev does some funny >>> business to hide the menu buttons off the top of the stacks window and >>> create a real Mac menu. But this doesn't happen immediately. >>> >>> If you set the loc in a preOpenStack or startup handler, the menu bar >>> will not have been hidden yet and the stack will effectively be >>> taller. If you set the loc in an openStack handler, then the menu will >>> have been hidden and the height of the stack the same as it was when >>> you stored the loc, so it will work as expected. >>> >>> One workaround is to check if there is a menubar and, if so, check if >>> there is a difference in height between the stack and the card. If >>> they are the same, then the menu has not yet drawn and you need to >>> compensate for this manually. >> >> Thanks, Sarah. If I do it in openStack instead of preOpenStack, will it >> still position the window before it's first displayed? > > No, in that case, it should work fine, except that your users will see the window flash up and then move. >> > > A compromise might be to set the loc in both handlers. Then it will appear almost in the right place and then shuffle a little bit. > > Cheers, > Sarah_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Sun May 16 06:14:59 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 03:14:59 -0700 Subject: Location of stack In-Reply-To: <88E39D74-6664-41C5-9FAE-9F6D89AF5222@gmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Sarah Reichelt > > No, in that case, it should work fine, except that your users > will see the window flash up and then move. > > A compromise might be to set the loc in both handlers. Then it > will appear almost in the right place and then shuffle a little bit. Alternatively, is there a way to know in advance how much to twiddle the vertical location by? It's 12 in my system, and I assume that's half the height of the non-existent menu bar, but I expect that varies depending upon the screen resolution or something-or-other, just as it would under Windows. There really ought to be a clean way to get a program to remember its window location without momentarily appearing at the wrong location whenever it's opened. It surprises me that the menu causes problems on the Mac (including all the weirdness about menu items being moved around) that don't occur on Windows, given that Rev is descended from Hypercard, a Mac program. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Sun May 16 06:15:34 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 03:15:34 -0700 Subject: Location of stack In-Reply-To: <2E5DAD3F-EAD4-4DE9-AA9A-E230C66B2AC8@me.com> Message-ID: > From: Jerry Daniels > > You could also hide the stack on preOpenStack then do your > business and show the stack on openStack. That sounds like it's worth a try. Thanks. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From jerry.daniels at me.com Sun May 16 06:22:53 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 05:22:53 -0500 Subject: Location of stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm not positive it will work...maybe openStack won't get sent if the stack isn't visible. You could send your own custom message, tho, on preOpenStack. I do stuff like that on startUp to give libURL time to load. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 16, 2010, at 5:15 AM, "Paul D. DeRocco" wrote: >> From: Jerry Daniels >> >> You could also hide the stack on preOpenStack then do your >> business and show the stack on openStack. > > That sounds like it's worth a try. Thanks. > > -- > > Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco > Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun May 16 06:45:23 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:45:23 +1000 Subject: Location of stack In-Reply-To: References: <88E39D74-6664-41C5-9FAE-9F6D89AF5222@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Alternatively, is there a way to know in advance how much to twiddle the > vertical location by? It's 12 in my system, and I assume that's half the > height of the non-existent menu bar, but I expect that varies depending upon > the screen resolution or something-or-other, just as it would under Windows. > There really ought to be a clean way to get a program to remember its window > location without momentarily appearing at the wrong location whenever it's > opened. Yes, once the menu bar is visible, check the height of the stack and the height of the card. I can't recall exactly now, but they are either 24 or 26 pixels different, so if you are using the loc, then you need to allow for half of that. If your routine checks these 2 heights, if they are the same, then the menubar has not yet been drawn and the fudge factor needs to be applied, but the fudge is consistent. > It surprises me that the menu causes problems on the Mac (including all the > weirdness about menu items being moved around) that don't occur on Windows, > given that Rev is descended from Hypercard, a Mac program. Descended fro Mac OS < 10 via Unix. Cheers, Sarah From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Sun May 16 07:47:18 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:47:18 +0100 Subject: revigniter - Model-View-Controller in Rev terms? In-Reply-To: <74C09D6B-45B4-4FC6-8CBE-089CC166AE8A@dimensionB.de> References: <74C09D6B-45B4-4FC6-8CBE-089CC166AE8A@dimensionB.de> Message-ID: Hi Ralf - I'm going to take a second look at revIgnitor - and pretty much agree with the entire approach and the mapping of MVC concepts to Rev. I am looking forward to integrating my code into your framework :) This is how I see the mapping: *View* Yes the visual appearance of the interface that lays out the data on screen ready for interaction. But specifically it includes any presentation logic such as code for resizing the view, or changing it's visual appearance. Also in general I feel that views map to groups with behaviors - therefore the Datagrid is a view. you should be able to drag and drop views onto cards and ideally nest them within each other, and to do this in a way which is completely independent of your particular applications logic and data. These views usually have custom properties that allow you to get and set their data in a standard way and also to change their appearance - a test of their MVC'ness is the ability to move them around and use them as is without editing their code in any way. I have found it very useful to test out views precisely this way by keeping them in an external library and testing the ability to drag and drop them into a variety of situations (manually or under script control). It would be possible to consider some cards or even stacks as views - so far I don;t do that - but it is possible for instance to automatically create stacks as dialogues which contain group views - so for instance I use the standard video, image, xml, and tree views to display data in a window using a command such as "display_Image someUrl" which creates a new stack, and copies the image view to that stack. It's a side effect of creating a good view that you also create some good dialogue stacks. *Models* I've not done that much on these and intend to use Trevors sqlYoga, and / or the work that Ralf has done. The important bit for me is the ability to move from arrays to databases - so I have an abstraction layer that uses arrays, but can easily be switched to XML or a database. *Controllers* The glue. I agree with Ralf that the best place usually for this code is the card script. And in simple terms it does everything else required to glue the views to the data. It is where the code that really defines the logic of your application is. I have a way of creating this code which automatically creates a basic interface - so this is often where I start coding -dragging a few basic views onto screen to display the data, and gradually defining the model. At the end I create new custom views for the application - perhaps by cloning one of the existing ones and if it is useful adding it to the library. From jmyepes at mac.com Sun May 16 07:56:29 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 04:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: News on revMobile and the iPhone In-Reply-To: <7E8C3A7A-B726-400C-96C5-3C916BCB74C1@de-mare.nl> References: <7E8C3A7A-B726-400C-96C5-3C916BCB74C1@de-mare.nl> Message-ID: <1274010989045-2218478.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi List, >So RunRev just seems to suffer as collateral damage in this stupid war between these big players Yes, I think the same. I'm sure that RunRev will retake the way and take advantage of all present and futures alternatives that we can know in the next months. Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/News-on-revMobile-and-the-iPhone-tp2218042p2218478.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Sun May 16 08:15:49 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 13:15:49 +0100 Subject: player object and https URL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've not tried this but if you can fetch the same url as data with: - put url "https://www.mysecuresite.com/movie/mymovie.mov " And you are not able to set the filename - then it must be a bug? On 15 May 2010 20:02, Martin Koob wrote: > Martin Koob writes: > > > > > I tried to set the filename of a player object to the url for a movie > which > > is on an ssl protected server > > ie https://www.mysecuresite.com/movie/mymovie.mov > > The movie does not load > > > > One additional thing I noticed. If I set the filename of the player by > script to an https url it will return "could not create movie reference" > > Any ideas why this happens? > > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 16 08:33:32 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 14:33:32 +0200 Subject: [audio] Call for an updated enhanced quicktime audio library or a small audio complementary library! In-Reply-To: <1273837754183-2216458.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1273837754183-2216458.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Robert I am very interested in your requests, myself repeatedly mentioned the lack of Runrev about Audio. Thatt interests me most is related functions "Midi", ie to create sounds directly from RunRev for them to be "played" by the QuickTime synthesizer (or other ...). Unfortunately I have not the skills required to create these functions. I just did a search in Gmane (Midi / audio), the results are "1893" results for "Audio" and "527" for "south" I think many RevTalker are interested in the subject. Ren? Robert, Je suis tr?s int?ress? par vos demandes, ayant, moi-m?me ? de nombreuses reprises ?voqu? les manques de Runrev en mati?re d'Audio. Pour ce qui me concerne, ce qui m'int?resse le plus ce sont des fonctions li?es au "Midi", c'est ? dire pouvoir cr?er des sons directement depuis RunRev pour qu'ils soient "jou?s" par le synth?tiseur QuickTime (ou autre...). Je n'ai malheureusement pas non plus les comp?tences requises pour cr?er ces fonctions. Je viens de faire une recherche dans GMane (Midi/audio), les r?sultats sont 1893 r?sultats pour "Audio" et "527" pour "Midi", je pense que beaucoup de RevTalker sont int?ress?s par le sujet. Ren? Le 14 mai 2010 ? 13:49, Robert Mann a ?crit : > > We have a runrev "hole" that would call for an external library regarding > basic audio functions : > -- runrev uses quicktimes, and just allow to play and record, full stop. > -- a quicktime external "enhanced" library does add a quite a lot of > functions. But it is mostly targeted at video. Example : the transition > filter does not seem to deal with the audio channels.. so no audio fade in > or fade out. Up to now it is the great and only existing sound library for > runrev, thanks to Trevor Devore. > > It took me quite a while to come up with a solution to record sounds and > concatenate them and then output a mp3 file. The only decent solution I > found was to record wave, transcode in mp3 using lame and then re-transform > into .mov with trevor devore eQt lib, to finally import a compact internal > audio file in the form of a movie, since internally runrev does not read > mp3, and finally destroy the intermediate files... pfffff!!! The next person > that talls me that runrev reduces programming by an order of x10... i'll ask > to demonstrate with what should be a simple task like that!! for me it was > more like complication of x100 magnitude because I nearly found the no > solution wall, and frankly, this is not satisfactory to deploy. And there is > more now : > > Sound quality is something important to users, even unconsciously it brings > a sense of quality. Se we miss just a few basic sound functions like : > > A) to enhance quality of recorded wave files : > 1- fade in / fade out > 2- cross mix fade in and out between two or more files. > 3- normalization > 4- a simple basic reverb/echo combined for voice/music with basic setting > > ==> Just 1) and 2/ would already be great to deal with recorded material > within runrev ! > > B) to output mp3 (so far we have to use lame which is great, but, implies > installing that on each computer... an included plugin would be much more > simple and reduce risks of support issues) > > C) ?? if hunger for .. basic mix functions between deifferent sound files, > opening up a new era for runrev for music tools... > > D) some in depth tools like a library to open up a wave file extract content > and make it possible to add expand audio libraries in xTalk. There was an > revOline stack that showed how to do that already, but outlined one need > basic quicker library functions to make it operationnal. > > I personnaly do not have the competence to do that, otherwise I sure would! > > Some of you and some french folks in particular, have made some great audio > work already using runrev. I do believe that runrev could attract more of > that music and sound NRJ. And I personnaly would of course pay for such > libraries, if that cost can be shared (smile.. to sell it back tu runrev > afeter??!!) > > Any thought welcomed... > > -- possibly to confirm the need for that (Am I all alone there??! smile!) > > -- help target (what do we really need as a whole) ?? > > -- help set up something to make it happen (hunger strike at runrev or > pre-ordering to an interesting party?) > > So long from France! > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/audio-Call-for-an-updated-enhanced-quicktime-audio-library-or-a-small-audio-complementary-library-tp2216458p2216458.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rabit at dimensionB.de Sun May 16 09:09:41 2010 From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 15:09:41 +0200 Subject: revIgniter update (1.3.1b) Message-ID: <529B21D4-3E38-49FB-991C-D92840F0776F@dimensionB.de> revIgniter v1.3.1b has been released. This version addresses an engine issue where the $_POST variable of an Ajax request is not present / is empty if FireFox is used. The jQuery library can now be used without restrictions. Info and download at: http://revigniter.com/ Ralf From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sun May 16 09:49:36 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 15:49:36 +0200 Subject: [ANN]The Data Grid Helper is on the road Message-ID: Dear List, The Slug is back with a new idea around the Data Grid Object. After working on a library dedicated to the Data Grid, I decided to build something I think, more useful for all. The Data Grid Helper, is a different way to show the parameters of a Data Grid, but not only: - you could define quickly all the parameters you need for a Data Grid, with no code. It propose for example to define the header and body margins that are not available parameters of the RR's palette. - it will help you to write your code and templates for the Data Grid - it will bring to you, ready-to-use objects and handlers This tool is actually in construction. A french version is planned. To know more about this project, I invite you to read the road map: http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=74:data-grid-helper&catid=41:tools-for-revolution&Itemid=64 I invite you especially to watch the video of the Data Grid Helper palette in action. It could give you a preview how it performs. -------- For french members ------ The Slug est de retour avec une nouvelle id?e autour de l'object Data Grid Apr?s avoir travaill? sur une librairie d?di?e ? la grille de donn?e, j'ai d?cid? de construire quelque chose qui je pense, sera plus utile pour tous. Le Data Grid Helper est une fa?on diff?rent de pr?senter les param?tres de la Data Grid, mais pas seulement: - vous pouvez d?finir rapidement tous les param?tres que vous d?sirez pour une Data Grid, sans ?crire de code. Il propose par exemple de d?finir les marges ent?tes et corps alors que ce ne sont pas des param?tres disponibles dans la palette de RR. - il vous aidera ? ?crire votre code et template pour la Data Grid - il vous apportera des objects et des handlers pr?ts ? l'emploi. Cet outil est actuellement en construction. Une version fran?aise est pr?vue ;) Pour en savoir plus ? propos de ce projet, je vous invite ? lire la road map: http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=74:data-grid-helper&catid=41:tools-for-revolution&Itemid=64 Je vous invite particuli?rement ? regarder la video de la palette Data Grid Helper en action. Cela pourra vous monter comment elle fonctionne. Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sun May 16 10:46:26 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 07:46:26 -0700 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for an updated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audio complementary library!) In-Reply-To: References: <1273837754183-2216458.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <294200BE42C74634B0ABC000C262F211@GATEWAY> Hi all, > I am very interested in your requests, myself repeatedly > mentioned the lack of Runrev about Audio. We have engineers that could create audio externals. It's the sort of thing though we don't have immediate need for internally though. We could do something using a platform like kickstarter to do it. The question would be, what features and how much? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 16 11:24:11 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 17:24:11 +0200 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for an updated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audio complementary library!) In-Reply-To: <294200BE42C74634B0ABC000C262F211@GATEWAY> References: <1273837754183-2216458.post@n4.nabble.com> <294200BE42C74634B0ABC000C262F211@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Hello Lynn, The basic "Midi" function could be (by example, : 1. Command > PlayMidiNote (midiChannel,instrument,pitch,duration,velocity,pano,vibrato,reverb) with parameters : midiChannel = Midi channel number instrument = number of Midi instrument (General Midi ? General Midi Drum & other...) 0-127... pitch = note Midi : 0-127 duration = duration of the note in milliseconds velocity = volume of the note (QuickTime synthesizer) 0-127 pano = panoramic Midi 0-127 vibrato = vibrato effect Midi 0-127 reverb = reverberation effect Midi 0-127 2. Command > PlayMidiChord(parameters : dito PlayMidiNote with pitch = array of notes) 3. Message > Trap USB signal from a musical keyboard by example with parameters midiChannel,pitch,on/off... The latency must be < 40 miliseconds This is a suggestion, I invite all RevTalkers to complete my proposal... Bon souvenir de Paris Ren? Le 16 mai 2010 ? 16:46, Lynn Fredricks a ?crit : > Hi all, > >> I am very interested in your requests, myself repeatedly >> mentioned the lack of Runrev about Audio. > > We have engineers that could create audio externals. It's the sort of thing > though we don't have immediate need for internally though. We could do > something using a platform like kickstarter to do it. The question would be, > what features and how much? > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > President > Paradigma Software > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Sun May 16 11:29:28 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 17:29:28 +0200 Subject: Another DataGrid Question In-Reply-To: References: <9522d.3a4469a3.392055de@aol.com> Message-ID: Bonjour, I searched for a solution in case you don't know the number of the line I tested the following script (in a button) : local tIndex,tLineData,tName,tLine ------------ on mouseUp ask "Which symbol?" if the result is "cancel" then exit mouseUp put it into tSymbol dispatch "FindIndex" to grp "datagrid" with "Symbol",tSymbol put the result into tIndex if tIndex > 0 then put the dgDataOfIndex[tIndex] of grp "datagrid" into tLineData put tLineData["Securities"] into fld "fldResult" -- or into a variable, or whatever else else answer "There is no such symbol" end if end mouseUp This might be done with FindLine and dgDataOfLine as well (instead of FindIndex and dgDataOfIndex) I tried to find a solution in case there might be several identical "symbols" in column 2, but without any success! (yet ;--)) Thanks Joe, for the training :-)) Best regards from Grenoble Andr? Le 15 mai 10 ? 22:48, zryip theSlug a ?crit : > 2010/5/15 : >> Hi Everyone >> >> First of all thanks to Zryip for the answer to my last grid >> question. Now >> that problem is solved, but I have another. > > You're welcome ;) > >> I have a dataGrid with 8 columns and 1000 rows. Knowing the data of >> a line >> of column 2, I need to retrieve the data of column 1 of that line. >> I don't >> want to change anything in the dataGrid while doing this. How is >> this best >> accomplished? If it helps Column 1 is titled Securities and column >> 2 is titled >> Symbol. > > Assuming that you know the number of the line, a possible way is to > read the data of the line, then read the content of the column > securities, like this: > > put the dgDataOfLine[tTheLine] of tMyDataGrid into tTheDataA > put tTheDataA["securities"] into tTheValueOfColumn1 > > > Regards, > -- > -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) > http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From RevList at CreaTECHSol.com Sun May 16 12:52:58 2010 From: RevList at CreaTECHSol.com (RevList) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 09:52:58 -0700 Subject: [ANN]The Data Grid Helper is on the road In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: zryip theSlug on May 16, 2010 at 6:49 AM -0700 wrote: >I invite you especially to watch the video of the Data Grid Helper >palette in action. It could give you a preview how it performs. This is excellent. I can't wait until you finish and release this. Please keep us up to date. ****************************************** Stewart Lynch CreaTECH Solutions slynch at CreaTECHSol.com 604.484.8499 Skype:StewartLynch There are only 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't. ****************************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual to whom they are addressed and it may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you have received this communication by mistake, please notify us immediately. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun May 16 13:03:29 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 10:03:29 -0700 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for an updated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audio complementary library!) In-Reply-To: <294200BE42C74634B0ABC000C262F211@GATEWAY> References: <1273837754183-2216458.post@n4.nabble.com> <294200BE42C74634B0ABC000C262F211@GATEWAY> Message-ID: 1. Multiple audio streams, multichannel possibilities 2. Edit window primitives (waveform drawing, edit points) 3. Good level metering hooks 4. RTAS Plugins 5. SMPTE Library 6. Support for OGG and Flac Building this stuff from scratch would be nuts - unless you're a great audio code scientist - and that stuff is for the machine language programmers. It still makes my brain hurt to think of the code that makes Pro Tools play 96 tracks on my "old" Dual 2.5 G5, with *plugins*! If I got a big audio project right now that required me to include audio editing, I might go out and investigate the offerings from Cycling 74 If you want to develop your own low-level audio algorithms, Max/MSP provides an ideal platform with its C-based API for new unit generators. Max takes care of file I/O and user interface construction as well. Another option for lower-level development is mxj~, a modular Java-based system for audio development. These guys have been in business for years. This stuff takes a lot of work, blown speakers, -- serious code that can easily lock up your machine. On the Mac side, perhaps a lot of what we want is already installed in Core Audio, Core Midi. Not sure of Win. So at the independent author level, I think a core audio plugin might be do-able, not sure of the copyright issues. Sadly, as Richard always asks:"What's the ROI?" On 16 May 2010 07:46, Lynn Fredricks wrote: > Hi all, > > > I am very interested in your requests, myself repeatedly > > mentioned the lack of Runrev about Audio. > > We have engineers that could create audio externals. It's the sort of thing > though we don't have immediate need for internally though. We could do > something using a platform like kickstarter to do it. The question would > be, > what features and how much? > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > President > Paradigma Software > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From bvlahos at mac.com Sun May 16 13:25:57 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 10:25:57 -0700 Subject: Get size in bytes of object Message-ID: <1442C9D0-93D2-4C98-9045-349DC29E7CAE@mac.com> I am able to get a file from disk, compress it, and encrypt it to save the protected file back to disk. What I want to do is make sure there is enough room on the disk to save it before I try. I don't see a command that gets the size of a variable or a specific item on disk. I am able to do the following: the diskspace --to get available disk space the long files -- gets size information for all files in a folder the size of an object -- only works for image, EPS, audioClip, videoClip, stack types of objects The user selects the file from anywhere on disk. I could use "the long files" but I would have to change the defaultFolder value to the new folder and then back again and then get the info for all the files just to get the one the user selected. Is there an easier way to do this? Is there a way to get the size of a variable in Rev? Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. From mikekann at yahoo.com Sun May 16 13:50:37 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 10:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Get size in bytes of object In-Reply-To: <1442C9D0-93D2-4C98-9045-349DC29E7CAE@mac.com> Message-ID: <708504.27414.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> put the length of bills_var --- On Sun, 5/16/10, Bill Vlahos wrote: > From: Bill Vlahos > Subject: Get size in bytes of object > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 12:25 PM > I am able to get a file from disk, > compress it, and encrypt it to save the protected file back > to disk. What I want to do is make sure there is enough room > on the disk to save it before I try. I don't see a command > that gets the size of a variable or a specific item on > disk. > > I am able to do the following: > ??? the diskspace --to get available disk > space > ??? the long files -- gets size information > for all files in a folder > ??? the size of an object -- only works for > image, EPS, audioClip, videoClip, stack types of objects > > The user selects the file from anywhere on disk. I could > use "the long files" but I would have to change the > defaultFolder value to the new folder and then back again > and then get the info for all the files just to get the one > the user selected. > > Is there an easier way to do this? > Is there a way to get the size of a variable in Rev? > > Bill Vlahos > _________________ > InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about > keeping your important life information with you, > accessible, and secure. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr Sun May 16 14:05:17 2010 From: jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Pierre Soto) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:05:17 +0200 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <670798C9-A6A5-4178-BDCB-CBE00C1FEDA4@wanadoo.fr> Hello, I have made a virtual keyboard where the user can move each key when holding controlKey. All is Ok, but I need to change geometry of each key to follow the bottom of the stack. (I want to open the keyboard on the bottom of my main stack) The user can still move each key but when I resize the keyboard stack , the key return to there previous vLocation. Can anybody help me with that ? Thanks, Jean-Pierre From jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr Sun May 16 14:06:53 2010 From: jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Pierre Soto) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:06:53 +0200 Subject: Button drop down... Message-ID: <1ACF37E8-96E1-41EB-A22A-F8D6209B35CC@wanadoo.fr> Hello, I have made a virtual keyboard where the user can move each key when holding controlKey. All is Ok, but I need to change geometry of each key to follow the bottom of the stack. (I want to open the keyboard on the bottom of my main stack) The user can still move each key but when I resize the keyboard stack , the key return to there previous vLocation. Can anybody help me with that ? Thanks, Jean-Pierre From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 16 14:35:38 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 13:35:38 -0500 Subject: Location of stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BF03AFA.4030704@hyperactivesw.com> Paul D. DeRocco wrote: > Alternatively, is there a way to know in advance how much to twiddle the > vertical location by? It's 12 in my system, and I assume that's half the > height of the non-existent menu bar, but I expect that varies depending upon > the screen resolution or something-or-other, just as it would under Windows. > There really ought to be a clean way to get a program to remember its window > location without momentarily appearing at the wrong location whenever it's > opened. > > It surprises me that the menu causes problems on the Mac (including all the > weirdness about menu items being moved around) that don't occur on Windows, > given that Rev is descended from Hypercard, a Mac program. Here is an explanation of how Rev menus work on Mac: Rev will scroll the top of the stack out of view by the height of the menubar. What appears to be "0,0" in the topleft corner is really more like "0,26" because the top section of the stack is out of view of the window frame. The default Rev menu height is 26, so if you set the stack to the screenloc you will see about what you describe: 13 pixels shorter at the top and another 13 shorter at the bottom. That's just how it works. When you set a menubar on Mac, the stack is visibly (but not really) shorter and its top and bottom edges on screen will be less than on Windows. If it is important that the top of the stack be at a particular location, then you can do what Jerry described: open the stack invisibly and adjust its location on openStack, then show it. All system messages are sent normally to stacks that are open invisibly. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From massung at gmail.com Sun May 16 14:38:34 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 13:38:34 -0500 Subject: Button drop down... In-Reply-To: <1ACF37E8-96E1-41EB-A22A-F8D6209B35CC@wanadoo.fr> References: <1ACF37E8-96E1-41EB-A22A-F8D6209B35CC@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: My guess is that you are using the geometry manager in Rev? The geometry manager isn't that great, sadly, and it's much easier (and faster/more reliable!) to just do the work yourself. For example, in my card script I have something like so: on resizeStack updateGeometry end resizeStack on updateGeometry # re-resize/position all my controls here end updateGeometry It might seem like a bit of a hassle, because you have to constantly keep updating the code, etc. But trust me, once you start down this road, you'll love it - you can do a lot more and it executes a LOT faster. However, you may be in a position where you don't have the time to do this. In that case, you may want to take a look at the function revCacheGeometry. When you setup a control to use the geometry manager, Rev will "cache" where that control is supposed to be in relation to what's around it (or however you have it setup in the geometry manager). Regardless of where you move that control to, when Rev or you call revUpdateGeometry, the control will go right back to where it should be. To get around this, after you move the control, run revCacheGeometry, which should update the geometry manager's "cache" of where the control should be. Hope this helps, Jeff M. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Jean-Pierre Soto < jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Hello, > > I have made a virtual keyboard where the user can move each key when > holding controlKey. > All is Ok, but I need to change geometry of each key to follow the bottom > of the stack. > (I want to open the keyboard on the bottom of my main stack) > > The user can still move each key but when I resize the keyboard stack , the > key return to there previous vLocation. > > Can anybody help me with that ? > > Thanks, > Jean-Pierre > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From massung at gmail.com Sun May 16 14:41:55 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 13:41:55 -0500 Subject: Location of stack In-Reply-To: <4BF03AFA.4030704@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BF03AFA.4030704@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Oh, please, RunRev gods working on the roadmap... can we *please* get this fixed finally? Menus - like unicode - should "just work" out of the box. Jeff M. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sun May 16 15:09:21 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for an updated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audio complementary library!) In-Reply-To: <294200BE42C74634B0ABC000C262F211@GATEWAY> References: <1273837754183-2216458.post@n4.nabble.com> <294200BE42C74634B0ABC000C262F211@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <1274036961253-2218796.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi all, Lynn Fredricks-2 wrote: > > We have engineers that could create audio externals. It's the sort of > thing > though we don't have immediate need for internally though. We could do > something using a platform like kickstarter to do it. The question would > be, > what features and how much? > Lynn, Could you produce plug-ins in two versions: basic and advanced? Basic versions would be cheap, (From US$10 to US$25) audio or video or OpenGL players/viewers with basic functions: (play, stop, pause, go next audio/movie/object, etc...). These basics functions requires minimal or no support from developers. Advanced versions (From US$200 to US$500) allows more detailed control of parameters, have many more commands and functions and complete support from developers. In my particular wish list, basic SWF Flash player and FLV Flash video player could be really useful. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/audio-Call-for-an-updated-enhanced-quicktime-audio-library-or-a-small-audio-complementary-library-tp2216458p2218796.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at visitrieve.com Sun May 16 15:16:00 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 09:16:00 -1000 Subject: searching for a put that opens message box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000e01caf52c$38d798a0$aa86c9e0$@com> William, > I'm asking this question on the RunRev forum because I want to announce > here > how much I love tRev. Anyway how do you search for a "put" that is like > > "put variable" > > and doesn't have an "into" so it opens the message box. I realize that > I > should have marked my code there or put message box because it is so > hard to > find a "put" that doesn't have an "into" Here is a small Rev plugin that finds orphaned puts in any open stack you so designate. It was written by Eric Chatonet. Offered "as is." It will also find other lines of code. Please put it in your plugins folder and launch it from there. www.jimbofhawaii.com/downloads/Smart Search.rev Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 16 15:42:14 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 14:42:14 -0500 Subject: Location of stack In-Reply-To: References: <4BF03AFA.4030704@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BF04A96.3060608@hyperactivesw.com> Jeff Massung wrote: > Oh, please, RunRev gods working on the roadmap... can we *please* get this > fixed finally? Menus - like unicode - should "just work" out of the box. I've never had much trouble with it, aside from the known bug where stacks with destroystack set don't always scroll correctly (I think that one is fixed for the next version but I can't remember.) Since Windows/Linux show menus in the stack window and Macs do not, it seems reasonable to just scroll the menu out of view on Macs. But if you don't like that, you can do it a different way. You can just hide the group if the platform is MacOS. That leaves a blank area at the top of the stack, but some people do it that way. Then there is no scrolling. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sun May 16 17:09:13 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 14:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT: Adobe's New Anti Apple Ads In-Reply-To: <4BED60B1.7050201@gmail.com> References: <4BED60B1.7050201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1274044153350-2218875.post@n4.nabble.com> Actually, i hope that this feud between Apple and Adobe could bring more attention from Adobe to Linux and Mobile Platforms. If this is the final result of all this discussion, then everybody should said "Thanks Steve!" :D -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Adobe-s-New-Anti-Apple-Ads-tp2216622p2218875.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sun May 16 17:18:40 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 14:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: That nice XML exporter for stacks... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1274044720113-2218887.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Andre, Will you update Geoff Canyon's stack? If so, please post a link to download this updated version. Recent versions of Rev added many new properties to objects. Thanks in advance! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/That-nice-XML-exporter-for-stacks-tp2172738p2218887.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sun May 16 18:31:06 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 15:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Looking for stack with Runrev Controls Test Suite Message-ID: <1274049066668-2218926.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi all, I am looking for one or many stacks that demostrate the different configurations or/and effects that users could produce or create with different control types available in this platform. Check, for example, from a SVG compatible browser like Opera, Safari or Google Chrome the SVG test suite: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20080912/htmlObjectHarness/index.html http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20080912/htmlEmbedHarness/index.html Thanks in advance. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Looking-for-stack-with-Runrev-Controls-Test-Suite-tp2218926p2218926.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sun May 16 18:50:02 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 00:50:02 +0200 Subject: [ANN]The Data Grid Helper is on the road In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/5/16 RevList : > zryip theSlug on May 16, 2010 at 6:49 AM -0700 > wrote: >>I invite you especially to watch the video of the Data Grid Helper >>palette in action. It could give you a preview how it performs. > > This is excellent. ?I can't wait until you finish and release this. > Please keep us up to date. Thanks Stewart, and thanks for all the positives comments I received off-list. I just add a more convenient interface to edit properties like text style, margins, etc. Users can now edit properties directly in plain text or open a dialog to set the properties values: http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/images/stories/Preview/DGH_Project/DGH_Palette_Preview_02.png I prefer not precipitate things, to obtain something of quality, providing simplicity and flexibility. In the other side, to reach the goals I need constant feedback. A possible way could be presumably to follow the example of the Jerry's tRev script editor. The Data Grid Helper could be a constant project with regular updates. That way, users could give me constant feedback that would allow me to keep the simplicity on the track, and I could bring features more quickly than waiting a definitive product. However I have not the same experience than Jerry with that, and it is the very beginning of my project. But it is a possible way I have in mind. Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From mkoob at rogers.com Sun May 16 20:37:27 2010 From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 00:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: player object and https URL References: Message-ID: David Bovill writes: > > I've not tried this but if you can fetch the same url as data with: > > - put url \ "https://www.mysecuresite.com/movie/mymovie.mov\ " > I can download the data with put URL but how do I get that data into a player? I suppose I could download the file then open the file but that doesn't allow you to start playing the movie while downloading. I can set the filename to the HTTPS URL but the movie does not appear in the player as it does when you use an HTTP URL. I have entered it as a bug, #8773 Martin Koob From dr.alistair at gmail.com Sun May 16 21:49:39 2010 From: dr.alistair at gmail.com (planix) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 18:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Using python Message-ID: <1274060979283-2219010.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi, Out of interest, mainly because I am familiar and comfortable with Python, I have been trying to work through Bryan McCormick's revUp (50, June 6 2008) description of working with Python and numPy in Revolution. I installed ActivePython and NumPy 1.4.1. They work well together in the Python environment. So the install seems good. I then checked in Revolution as to whether Python was picked up as an alternate language. All clear there and I spent some time fiddling with Bryan's language checking functions just to make sure the language could be found from within a script- not just in checking from the message box. All good. Am happy. Then I went on and tried Bryan's check for the numpy version. The result, however, was "alternate language not found". Hmm, not all is good. Am puzzled. Has anyone got any ideas on what I am missing here? Python is recognised as an alternate language. I called it using "Python.AXScript.2" as indicated by Bryan. But something about actually asking it to do some work meant it lost whatever it said it had found previously. If someone has a good tutorial on working with Python from revtalk I would be interested in the link. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Using-python-tp2219010p2219010.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rman at free.fr Sun May 16 21:53:15 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 18:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT] (totally OT) on iPhone eQuality and iStupidities Message-ID: <1274061195239-2219012.post@n4.nabble.com> Dear Steve, As the iconic defender of the highest possible quality in software, I wanted to express my sympathy and full support. However, I just faced an unconfortable evening in front of my 10 year old son, 9 year old daughter and beloved wife : they came accross the "Love Champion" iphone app that YOU market on YOUR store. This application claims you can easily time your love intercourse, compare your performances locally, within your town, and across the world. This has raised numerous questions from my children, anxiety to my wife and strange behaviour of my son (he asked for a penis-muscular course to compete). i'm now suffering severe sexual disconfort with my wife, who, I assume could at last compare my performance, worldwide. Many thanks Steve, I hope you will never suffer like this from YOUR apps! I also happen to have lost 6 months investment in developping an iPhone app on runrev mobile platform which you banned from YOUR apple store recently. Many thanks, again. I am now suffered severe desolation syndrom in the view of asking my banker a supplementary loan to move over to the Android platform. The application I was working on, was dedicated to old people who could use an iTablet to keep in touch with each others and their families. This is a growing problem in France maybe it is too in US. Your recent iapps policy makes no sense to me. I wish you would reconsider what is quality for apps, and how the app store should aim for quality. I humbly suggest you bring the iStupidity issue, on top priority, way above the technical qualities issues you raised against runrev. Faith lessly, yours, Robert p.s. feel free to copy this letter sent to Steve Jobs today. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-totally-OT-on-iPhone-eQuality-and-iStupidities-tp2219012p2219012.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 16 21:59:16 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:59:16 -0500 Subject: player object and https URL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BF0A2F4.2010208@hyperactivesw.com> Martin Koob wrote: > David Bovill writes: > >> I've not tried this but if you can fetch the same url as data with: >> >> - put url \ > "https://www.mysecuresite.com/movie/mymovie.mov\ > " > > > I can download the data with put URL but how do I get that > data into a player? I suppose I could download the file then > open the file but that doesn't allow you to start playing the > movie while downloading. > > I can set the filename to the HTTPS URL but the movie > does not appear in the player as it does when you use > an HTTP URL. > > I have entered it as a bug, #8773 > I know almost nothing about it so I probably shouldn't say anything, but don't you need some kind of certificate to access https pages? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun May 16 22:10:05 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 19:10:05 -0700 Subject: OT: Adobe's New Anti Apple Ads Message-ID: <4BF0A57D.4060901@fourthworld.com> Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Actually, i hope that this feud between Apple and Adobe > could bring more attention from Adobe to Linux and > Mobile Platforms. I found this take on things interesting: Ubuntu wants Adobe, even if Apple doesn't I recently suggested that, given Apple and Adobe's growing war over iPad and iPhone applications, it would make sense for Adobe to move not only its end-user applications, but its Creative Suite development stack, to Linux. While I don't know if Adobe is considering it, Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu Linux, would welcome Adobe. Canonical marketing manager Gerry Carr told me that "in a recent survey we did of the Ubuntu User base where we got 32,000 plus responses, Adobe Photoshop as a potential application for Ubuntu got a 3.52 rating out of 5 being the second most popular potential app after Skype." ... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From mdswindell at cruzio.com Sun May 16 23:11:04 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:11:04 -0700 Subject: OT: Adobe's New Anti Apple Ads In-Reply-To: <4BF0A57D.4060901@fourthworld.com> References: <4BF0A57D.4060901@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <95B41BCB-47CA-4EAA-9A20-81A07F80512B@cruzio.com> After Apple reduces Flash to a reasonably weak state, perhaps they'll have a change of heart toward "the rest of us" and lighten up some. Just a (probably naive) thought. -Mark http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/16/mefeedia_html5_survey/ Non-Flash video surges onto the web Maniacal chuckling at One Infinite Loop Steve Jobs is one-quarter of the way to victory in his increasingly heated take-no-prisoners assault on Adobe Flash. According to a survey conducted by video aggregator MeFeedia, 26 per cent of all web video is now available for playback with the HTML5

" Does it go away then? (Make sure you specify the mainstack, not the substack.) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 19 14:00:27 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:00:27 -0500 Subject: Playing wav sound file in Linux in background? In-Reply-To: <1274209510709-2221738.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4BF2D8FA.3040003@hyperactivesw.com> <4BF2DB49.1020801@gmail.com> <1274209510709-2221738.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BF4273B.3070904@hyperactivesw.com> Peter Alcibiades wrote: > He has a solution, surely, it is to do it from the shell. His problem is > that when he goes out to the shell, it does not then play in the background. > > If he calls the shell command from a separate stack, will it not then leave > the original stack to just go on? So the effect will be to play in the > background, and leave the user free to interact with the main stack? If you try this, I'd like to know how it works. I think all scripts will pause while another is running, regardless of the stack the script is in. But let us know. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bobs at twft.com Wed May 19 14:12:53 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:12:53 -0700 Subject: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On-Rev is paying the fees to mySQL as a commercial venture, so the licensing restrictions have been satisfied. You ARE paying for mySQL use because you pay for On-Rev. Bob On May 19, 2010, at 4:07 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > To me, On-Rev is NOT a commercial DB Server, they are just > a Server, if I use the Server to place my Commercial DB, then it is for me > to pay licensing fees, not me + On-Rev to both pay fees to mySQL. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 19 14:16:49 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 21:16:49 +0300 Subject: [OT] WebM: another fly in our friend's eye? Message-ID: <4BF42B11.3020907@gmail.com> http://www.webmproject.org/ another 'Open' initiative started by Google; how OPEN this is, and whether it intended to be something 'real' or just Google chucking something into the current soup brewing between Apple and Adobe I don't know. From bobs at twft.com Wed May 19 14:35:03 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:35:03 -0700 Subject: Show Your Colors on Slashdot - Runrev Coverage about RevMobile Still Hot In-Reply-To: <86B98FCBE5634E30AE8FB17A9EDBA17B@GATEWAY> References: <86B98FCBE5634E30AE8FB17A9EDBA17B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Posted. On May 19, 2010, at 7:57 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: > http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/05/17/1849215/iPhone-SDK-Agreement-S > huts-Out-HyperCard-Clone From andre at andregarzia.com Wed May 19 14:36:50 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 15:36:50 -0300 Subject: Cloud computing: scalable DB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ruslan, Thanks for the quick reply. I am commenting your comments mixed in the quote below. I also have a shot to claim my "deadliest database schema" record > Thanks for dropping in the thread. One thing that I think is stopping > some > > rev developers moving to valentina is that there's no valentina server > for > > revServer. The FREE Valentina server has adaptors only for ruby and php, > if > > we had RevServer support or at least a public available protocol to talk > to > > valentina server then we could implement support in RevServer itself. > > As revServer you mean this? > http://www.on-rev.com/home/ > > Why you talk about Valentina Free Server? > Why cannot be used Valentina Office Server? > Yes, I mean revServer in the On-Rev service. Any of the options could be cool may it be the Free or the Office server > > > > I think that David is doing some web development since most of the uses > of > > SimpleDB and RDS are related to web apps. Right now, we can't do web > > development with valentina and rev. Which is a pitty since valentina is > > deadly fast and provides the key-value stuff. > > Why you can't? > Because revServer can't access externals, so the ADK for Rev does not work with revServer. It needs a pure revTalk library that talks to Valentina Server to work. > > Any OS platform. You install VSERVER, make your REV app. > Host them together. What problems? > > Plus the same VSERVER can be touched by any other Valentina Client > from C++, C#, ObjC ... To PHP, RB, REV, Director, ShockWave, ... > As the above comment, with revServer we can't access any valentina for rev routines since it does not support externals. We would need a pure revTalk implementation. > > > > I too believe that no one here will reach the limit of a single server. I > am > > working right now on a system which has one database with 6 thousand > tables > > and millions and millions of records and it still a single mysql server. > And > > before you all curse me, I didn't design this stuff, I arrived at it > after > > THREE earlier programmers, I would never design anything with 6 thousand > > tables... > > That is cool :) > > 2 weeks ago I have to hear about man with 1000 tables.. > You have new record :) > > Now, check out this screen shot I just took: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/shots/msdb.jpg This is ONE MASSIVE DATABASE with mind melting amount of information, tables with 55 million records... ARGH! I *hate* it. > > > What most users want here is just some kind of persistance and minimal > > querying. Many here don't even do joins or views or fancy SQL stuff. > > To keep e.g. Prefs? > > For this exists ini, xml files :) > RDBMS is really not required here. > Exactly, but I was thinking more like documents or structured data not unlike what one would put in an XML file but using Valentina would make searching much easier than using xml... -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 19 14:37:05 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 21:37:05 +0300 Subject: Reading the Supercard manual #1 In-Reply-To: References: <4BF2CDD1.3020909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BF42FD1.3040305@gmail.com> Dear Stewart, That is a lovely piece of software: Thank you very much indeed! On 18/05/2010 20:33, RevList wrote: > Richmond Mathewson on May-18-10 at 10:26 AM > -0700 wrote: >> "The SuperScript utility allows you to almost instantaneously export all >> or some of the scripts of your project to text or RTF formatted >> files." ? > Not that I am aware of, but have you checked out this? > http://www.createchsol.com/ScriptReporter > > > ****************************************** > Stewart Lynch > CreaTECH Solutions > slynch at CreaTECHSol.com > 604.484.8499 > Skype:StewartLynch > From bobs at twft.com Wed May 19 14:39:19 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:39:19 -0700 Subject: Cloud computing: scalable DB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I thought this was EXACTLY what SQL was created to do? Bob On May 19, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Now, check out this screen shot I just took: > http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/shots/msdb.jpg > > This is ONE MASSIVE DATABASE with mind melting amount of information, tables > with 55 million records... ARGH! I *hate* it. From briany at qldlearning.com Wed May 19 14:47:33 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:47:33 -0700 Subject: Cloud computing: scalable DB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Warning, bad analogy on the way... That's kind of like observing a truck full of loose boulders ready to fly out the back. Isn't that what trucks are for, carrying heavy loads? Point being that yes, SQL is one means towards managing large amounts of tables, rows, data, etc -- but it still suffers if you throw just anything at it. Also I can just imagine maintaining the SQL for 1000 tables =). Andre, you deserve a medal for keeping that thing alive (or a sanity check)... > I thought this was EXACTLY what SQL was created to do? > > Bob > > > On May 19, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > >> Now, check out this screen shot I just took: >> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/shots/msdb.jpg >> >> This is ONE MASSIVE DATABASE with mind melting amount of information, tables >> with 55 million records... ARGH! I *hate* it. From andre at andregarzia.com Wed May 19 15:04:00 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:04:00 -0300 Subject: Cloud computing: scalable DB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I need a sanity check for many reasons, that is one. Just imagine that I am working on a company that sends email marketing and that we send about 10 million emails per day... it all comes from that database you saw. 6 thousand tables governing the process of mailing and tracking 10 Million emails per day and rising. Everyday when I arrive back at home, I pour myself the easiest thing to open in the fridge (may it be juice, soda or beer, whatever is handy) and just drop on the sofa. The only turing device that I allow myself to use at that mental stage is my iPad because it is simple and just works. There are days that whispering "SQL!" behind me will just make me scream in horror. And don't let me get started on clients trying to load CSV (yes, comma separated value) files into this database... I've seen CSV files with more than 500,000 (half million) records. And they want to load it thru the use of LOAD DATA INFILE, now, imagine that those files are Excel dumps and other silly stuff and that the clients are not checking those files... now, build a validator for a CSV file with maybe 50 abstract fields one of which is an email, and that data is supposed to go inside that 6k database... And it is all PHP using NROOP paradigm which stands for Not-Really-Object-Oriented-Programming and in reallity means there are a lot of Objects and Classes not doing what they should do and a lot of mix in the MVC where the V plays the role of C sometimes and the M went out to lunch and never came back. Now, here our bottleneck is actually the database machine. It can't pump out the data as fast as we need it. There are also other design bottlenecks, but the email sending part is not one of them. Can valentina hold 6k tables and millions and millions of records? I could create a portable version of this system, almost a portable nightmare. > Andre, you deserve a medal for keeping that thing alive (or a sanity > check)... > > > I thought this was EXACTLY what SQL was created to do? > > > > Bob > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From th.douez at gmail.com Wed May 19 15:09:25 2010 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry D.) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 21:09:25 +0200 Subject: destroystack wrong behavior... In-Reply-To: <4BF426EF.9020300@hyperactivesw.com> References: <74E4F597-B89C-4265-BFB2-AEA209AE1DAA@sunnyrevcode.com> <4BF426EF.9020300@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4C75502C-9422-47AC-8803-461110C3FB6F@sunnyrevcode.com> Le 19 mai 2010 ? 19:59, J. Landman Gay a ?crit : > > What happens if you type into the message box: > > delete stack "
" > > Does it go away then? > (Make sure you specify the mainstack, not the substack.) Hmmm, as soon as I sent my email to this list, it starts to work again :) and without changing anything in my stack ! So, I'll try this later... Regards, Thierry From andre at andregarzia.com Wed May 19 15:11:45 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:11:45 -0300 Subject: Playing wav sound file in Linux in background? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, Try using the command like shell("aplay path-tofile &") This last & will run the command in the background, the command should return imediatly to the stack while the sound play (I think, untested) On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:04 PM, John Patten wrote: > Hi All... > > I've been having a problem playing back an audio file on a Linux computer > using an "arecord" a shell script to first create the audio file. > > The audio file gets created on the local machine, it then gets uploaded to > an ftp directory, however when I go to play the sound file locally using > just Rev it's just static white noise. > > If I again, use the shell script to play the audio file, "aplay > path-tofile," it plays fine. However the user can't do anything with my > stack until the file completely finishes playing. > > Is there any way to play the audio file via the shell script in the > background and still allow the user to interact with the stack? > > Thank you! > > John Patten > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 19 15:14:25 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:14:25 +0300 Subject: destroystack wrong behavior... In-Reply-To: <4C75502C-9422-47AC-8803-461110C3FB6F@sunnyrevcode.com> References: <74E4F597-B89C-4265-BFB2-AEA209AE1DAA@sunnyrevcode.com> <4BF426EF.9020300@hyperactivesw.com> <4C75502C-9422-47AC-8803-461110C3FB6F@sunnyrevcode.com> Message-ID: <4BF43891.9090703@gmail.com> >> What happens if you type into the message box: >> >> delete stack "
" >> >> Does it go away then? >> (Make sure you specify the mainstack, not the substack.) > Yes, it does! However, if you have saved the stack it will still exist where it has been saved. All that DELETE STACK does is remove it completely from the memory of the IDE. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 19 15:19:03 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 14:19:03 -0500 Subject: destroystack wrong behavior... In-Reply-To: <4BF43891.9090703@gmail.com> References: <74E4F597-B89C-4265-BFB2-AEA209AE1DAA@sunnyrevcode.com> <4BF426EF.9020300@hyperactivesw.com> <4C75502C-9422-47AC-8803-461110C3FB6F@sunnyrevcode.com> <4BF43891.9090703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BF439A7.9000704@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >>> What happens if you type into the message box: >>> >>> delete stack "
" >>> >>> Does it go away then? >>> (Make sure you specify the mainstack, not the substack.) >> > > Yes, it does! > > However, if you have saved the stack > it will still exist where it has been saved. > > All that DELETE STACK does is remove it completely > from the memory of the IDE. Right. But that's what he wanted. The issue is whether or not destroystack is working as it's supposed to. I haven't seen any problems with it but since two people think they have, that's what's under investigation. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jrosat at mac.com Wed May 19 15:33:29 2010 From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 21:33:29 +0200 Subject: How to create a self-contained custom control In-Reply-To: References: <8FA72D49-96AA-47E8-B7AD-6CC24A37FABA@mac.com> Message-ID: <6B4BC03F-9759-4316-91E0-D3DA6FF6B16A@mac.com> Stephen, Thank you for the suggestion. I tried. But it doesn't work as I wish it. J?r?me Le 18 mai 2010 ? 23:38, stephen barncard a ?crit : > Nested Groups? > > On 18 May 2010 13:36, J?r?me Rosat wrote: > >> I created a custom control. I set the behavior of the group (the custom >> control) to a button script (I want no script in the group). >> >> If I copy the custom control in a new stack, i need to copy the button >> script too, or the stack that contains the button script as a substack of a >> new stack. >> >> How to make a self-contained custom control that I can simply copy and past >> where I want ? I tried to put the button script inside the group, but it >> doesn't work. If I copy the custom control in a new card, the behavior of >> the group still point to the "previous" card. >> >> Any idea ? Thank you for your help. >> >> J?r?me >> Gen?ve_______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > Back home in SF > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Wed May 19 15:34:14 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:34:14 -0300 Subject: destroystack wrong behavior... In-Reply-To: <74E4F597-B89C-4265-BFB2-AEA209AE1DAA@sunnyrevcode.com> References: <74E4F597-B89C-4265-BFB2-AEA209AE1DAA@sunnyrevcode.com> Message-ID: Been there as well, came to a little fix if you can call that a fix, instead of closing the stack try something along the lines of: delete stack "myStack" This will really take it out of the memory, so these days, I close and then I delete or vice versa... On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Thierry D. wrote: > Hi all, > > from time to time, in Rev IDE ( 4.0 MacOS ) when closing a stack, > the stack is still in memory, seen in the Application browser too. > > DestroyStack and DestroyWindow are set properly ! > and Yes, I refresh the application browser. > > It had happened few times during my developments, > and never I could find a solution ? > More, sometimes, it works again after > a while without being able to know why. > > Does it sound familiar to someone and > any idea what could cause this wrong behavior ? > > > Regards, > Thierry > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 19 15:38:13 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:38:13 +0300 Subject: destroystack wrong behavior... In-Reply-To: <4BF439A7.9000704@hyperactivesw.com> References: <74E4F597-B89C-4265-BFB2-AEA209AE1DAA@sunnyrevcode.com> <4BF426EF.9020300@hyperactivesw.com> <4C75502C-9422-47AC-8803-461110C3FB6F@sunnyrevcode.com> <4BF43891.9090703@gmail.com> <4BF439A7.9000704@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BF43E25.5060502@gmail.com> On 19/05/2010 22:19, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> >>>> What happens if you type into the message box: >>>> >>>> delete stack "
" >>>> >>>> Does it go away then? >>>> (Make sure you specify the mainstack, not the substack.) >>> >> >> Yes, it does! >> >> However, if you have saved the stack >> it will still exist where it has been saved. >> >> All that DELETE STACK does is remove it completely >> from the memory of the IDE. > > Right. But that's what he wanted. The issue is whether or not > destroystack is working as it's supposed to. I haven't seen any > problems with it but since two people think they have, that's what's > under investigation. > Is this chap running on Win, Mac or Linux? Unfortunately I hosed my Linux box (trying to be too clever for my own good; nothing new) and am, right now, in the process of doing a complete reinstall. But can try this in Windows directly and in Linux in about 90 minutes. From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Wed May 19 15:47:10 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 20:47:10 +0100 Subject: How to create a self-contained custom control In-Reply-To: <6B4BC03F-9759-4316-91E0-D3DA6FF6B16A@mac.com> References: <8FA72D49-96AA-47E8-B7AD-6CC24A37FABA@mac.com> <6B4BC03F-9759-4316-91E0-D3DA6FF6B16A@mac.com> Message-ID: The whole point of a behavior is that it works for multiple objects (in your case a group) and acts a bit like a library for that group - so you can copy and paste the group where you want and all the copies will point to and use the same behavior script. If you want to put the script inside the group and don't mind having multiple copies of the script for each groupd you copy - then you can - basically don;t use a behavior and just put the behavior script in the groups script. There is no way to have both. On 19 May 2010 20:33, J?r?me Rosat wrote: > Stephen, > > Thank you for the suggestion. I tried. But it doesn't work as I wish it. > > J?r?me > > Le 18 mai 2010 ? 23:38, stephen barncard a ?crit : > > > Nested Groups? > > > > On 18 May 2010 13:36, J?r?me Rosat wrote: > > > >> I created a custom control. I set the behavior of the group (the custom > >> control) to a button script (I want no script in the group). > >> > >> If I copy the custom control in a new stack, i need to copy the button > >> script too, or the stack that contains the button script as a substack > of a > >> new stack. > >> > >> How to make a self-contained custom control that I can simply copy and > past > >> where I want ? I tried to put the button script inside the group, but it > >> doesn't work. If I copy the custom control in a new card, the behavior > of > >> the group still point to the "previous" card. > >> > >> Any idea ? Thank you for your help. > >> > >> J?r?me > >> Gen?ve_______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------------------- > > Stephen Barncard > > Back home in SF > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 19 15:51:21 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:51:21 +0300 Subject: Reading the Supercard manual #2 Message-ID: <4BF44139.7080409@gmail.com> "Using Help From Within the Script Editor The Help System's Language Guide entries can be looked up automatically from within SuperCard's or SuperEdit's script editor window. Simply hilite the word you wish to lookup and press Command-?. If the help system is currently not running it will be launched and the Language Guide window will open to the hilited entry. If the highlighted word is not a SuperTalk word the help system will tell you." Yum! From andre at andregarzia.com Wed May 19 15:57:46 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 16:57:46 -0300 Subject: Reading the Supercard manual #2 In-Reply-To: <4BF44139.7080409@gmail.com> References: <4BF44139.7080409@gmail.com> Message-ID: I use that all the time with netbeans... why don't we have something like that implemented? On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Richmond Mathewson < richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: > "Using Help From Within the Script Editor > The Help System's Language Guide entries can be looked up automatically > from within SuperCard's or > SuperEdit's script editor window. Simply hilite the word you wish to lookup > and press Command-?. If the > help system is currently not running it will be launched and the Language > Guide window will open to > the hilited entry. If the highlighted word is not a SuperTalk word the help > system will tell you." > > Yum! > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed May 19 16:06:54 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:06:54 -0700 Subject: Reading the Supercard manual #2 In-Reply-To: References: <4BF44139.7080409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <196-1235719562.20100519130654@ahsoftware.net> Andre- Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 12:57:46 PM, you wrote: > I use that all the time with netbeans... why don't we have something like > that implemented? Control- or right-clicking the highlighted word too much work for you? -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From andre at andregarzia.com Wed May 19 16:11:16 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:11:16 -0300 Subject: Reading the Supercard manual #2 In-Reply-To: <196-1235719562.20100519130654@ahsoftware.net> References: <4BF44139.7080409@gmail.com> <196-1235719562.20100519130654@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: :-O x 10000 I never knew that... Thanks Mark, that is even better! (how could I live without it) I mostly use tRev these days, even so, it is very good to know. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Andre- > > Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 12:57:46 PM, you wrote: > > > I use that all the time with netbeans... why don't we have something like > > that implemented? > > Control- or right-clicking the highlighted word too much work for you? > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From mdswindell at cruzio.com Wed May 19 16:16:46 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:16:46 -0700 Subject: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio? In-Reply-To: <4BF41C31.70806@fourthworld.com> References: <4BF41C31.70806@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4CDF3D01-E3A8-4C72-95AF-354576F64C67@cruzio.com> Quite the conundrum. Thanks for the explanation. New motto: Write once, wrestle lots, and deploy on multiple platforms. Mark On May 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Mark Swindell wrote: > >> That's seems a ridiculously obtuse process. Not doubting it, but couldn't the application builder be made to take care of this? >> Mark > > I agree that it's way more work than would be desirable, but we discussed this here in a thread a couple months back related to a multi-platform installer I was making and we couldn't come up with a simpler solution. > > The outcome of that thread was that ultimately this is a difference in file system capabilities, and not something Rev can address. You simply can't set the Unix executable bit from Windows, since the Win file system has no such property. > > If someone comes up with a way to do it I'd be very happy to learn it, but last time we explored it here we came up empty. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > >> On May 19, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >>> Steve King wrote: >>> >>>> I know nothing at all of Macs.... >>>> >>>> I have Rev Studio (windows) and in the standalone builder there is a Mac >>>> (OSX) tab and when I build my Windows Standalone, I also get a Mac folder. >>>> >>>> Is this a Mac standlone of any type? If so, how is it used. What is OSX? >>> >>> "OSX" is a misspelling of "OS X" ("OS version 10"), the Mac operating system Apple ships with their computers. >>> >>>> I never build for Macs, it just happens in the club this application is for >>>> there is one Mac user. All the rest are windows users. >>> >>> Unfortunately, Apple's Unix core will require an extra step to deploy there: >>> >>> The folder you see is what Apple calls a "bundle", and contains all the parts and pieces the app needs to run, things that are embedded into a single file on Windows. >>> >>> Within the bundle at this path: >>> >>> /.app/Contents/MacOS/ >>> >>> ...where it says you'll find the actual executable. But since it was generated from Windows it has no executable bit, which Unix-based file systems need to run a file as an executable. >>> >>> To make the app runnnable you'll need to copy the *.app bundle to a Mac, then on the Mac use Terminal to change the permissions on the executable using chmod. >>> >>> If there's an easier way to generate Mac standalones from Windows I haven't found it. >>> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed May 19 16:39:30 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:39:30 -0700 Subject: Reading the Supercard manual #2 In-Reply-To: References: <4BF44139.7080409@gmail.com> <196-1235719562.20100519130654@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <165-1233763812.20100519133930@ahsoftware.net> Andre- Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 1:11:16 PM, you wrote: > I mostly use tRev these days, even so, it is very good to know. tRev does pretty much the same thing (but better IMO): check out "Terms" from the popup menu... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From bobs at twft.com Wed May 19 16:44:35 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:44:35 -0700 Subject: Cloud computing: scalable DB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <544C92B4-9528-416E-BFDB-4BC4A4E1B36D@twft.com> SO YOU are the one sending me all that junk mail!!!!! Bob On May 19, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > I need a sanity check for many reasons, that is one. > > Just imagine that I am working on a company that sends email marketing and > that we send about 10 million emails per day... it all comes from that > database you saw. 6 thousand tables governing the process of mailing and > tracking 10 Million emails per day and rising. From bobs at twft.com Wed May 19 16:49:46 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:49:46 -0700 Subject: Reading the Supercard manual #2 In-Reply-To: <165-1233763812.20100519133930@ahsoftware.net> References: <4BF44139.7080409@gmail.com> <196-1235719562.20100519130654@ahsoftware.net> <165-1233763812.20100519133930@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <853DF3E9-A083-4A19-93B1-6386D93A3973@twft.com> Even better, the terms pane, if left open, will give you the definition for any word the cursor is in. Bob On May 19, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Andre- > > Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 1:11:16 PM, you wrote: > >> I mostly use tRev these days, even so, it is very good to know. > > tRev does pretty much the same thing (but better IMO): check out > "Terms" from the popup menu... > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Wed May 19 16:50:30 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:50:30 -0300 Subject: Reading the Supercard manual #2 In-Reply-To: <853DF3E9-A083-4A19-93B1-6386D93A3973@twft.com> References: <4BF44139.7080409@gmail.com> <196-1235719562.20100519130654@ahsoftware.net> <165-1233763812.20100519133930@ahsoftware.net> <853DF3E9-A083-4A19-93B1-6386D93A3973@twft.com> Message-ID: I wish I could lock the definition so that it would not change when I start typing the parameters... On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Even better, the terms pane, if left open, will give you the definition for > any word the cursor is in. > > Bob > > > On May 19, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > > Andre- > > > > Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 1:11:16 PM, you wrote: > > > >> I mostly use tRev these days, even so, it is very good to know. > > > > tRev does pretty much the same thing (but better IMO): check out > > "Terms" from the popup menu... > > > > -- > > -Mark Wieder > > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 19 16:51:53 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 15:51:53 -0500 Subject: Reading the Supercard manual #2 In-Reply-To: <4BF44139.7080409@gmail.com> References: <4BF44139.7080409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BF44F69.3040808@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > "Using Help From Within the Script Editor > The Help System's Language Guide entries can be looked up automatically > from within SuperCard's or > SuperEdit's script editor window. Simply hilite the word you wish to > lookup and press Command-?. If the > help system is currently not running it will be launched and the > Language Guide window will open to > the hilited entry. If the highlighted word is not a SuperTalk word the > help system will tell you." > > Yum! We already have that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bobs at twft.com Wed May 19 16:52:34 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:52:34 -0700 Subject: Reading the Supercard manual #2 In-Reply-To: References: <4BF44139.7080409@gmail.com> <196-1235719562.20100519130654@ahsoftware.net> <165-1233763812.20100519133930@ahsoftware.net> <853DF3E9-A083-4A19-93B1-6386D93A3973@twft.com> Message-ID: <80B19BEA-4DE6-4DB6-8DF5-E1AFC38F93ED@twft.com> I see your point. That would be a good request to Jerry. Bob On May 19, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > I wish I could lock the definition so that it would not change when I start > typing the parameters... From th.douez at gmail.com Wed May 19 16:53:18 2010 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry D.) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:53:18 +0200 Subject: destroystack wrong behavior... In-Reply-To: <4BF43E25.5060502@gmail.com> References: <74E4F597-B89C-4265-BFB2-AEA209AE1DAA@sunnyrevcode.com> <4BF426EF.9020300@hyperactivesw.com> <4C75502C-9422-47AC-8803-461110C3FB6F@sunnyrevcode.com> <4BF43891.9090703@gmail.com> <4BF439A7.9000704@hyperactivesw.com> <4BF43E25.5060502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <165AF6BC-11BF-4ACF-96C8-5E87D5B4113B@sunnyrevcode.com> Le 19 mai 2010 ? 21:38, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > On 19/05/2010 22:19, J. Landman Gay wrote: >> Richmond Mathewson wrote: >>> >>>>> What happens if you type into the message box: >>>>> >>>>> delete stack "
" >>>>> >>>>> Does it go away then? >>>>> (Make sure you specify the mainstack, not the substack.) >>> >>> Yes, it does! As I said in the last email, sometimes it works just the way is has, sometimes not. >>> >>> All that DELETE STACK does is remove it completely >>> from the memory of the IDE. >> >> Right. But that's what he wanted. The issue is whether or not destroystack is working as it's supposed to. I haven't seen any problems with it but since two people think they have, that's what's under investigation. I don't really mind from my side, but it's annoying for those I'm sending my work... One problem out of this is when you start again the stack, the init processing ( depending on my own design doesn't work correctly then. ) and from the user's point of view it just doesn't work ! This is the real side effect for me :( So, I have to investigate this and make a consistent workaround. Maybe it's because of my code, maybe not... but I need to fix it. > Is this chap running on Win, Mac or Linux? Hey , Richmond ! I said on Mac with Rev 4.0 :) Regards, Thierry From andre at andregarzia.com Wed May 19 16:58:50 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:58:50 -0300 Subject: Cloud computing: scalable DB In-Reply-To: <544C92B4-9528-416E-BFDB-4BC4A4E1B36D@twft.com> References: <544C92B4-9528-416E-BFDB-4BC4A4E1B36D@twft.com> Message-ID: guilt as charged... but our doubleoptout works, so people can actually unsubscribe. We just provide the system to some really big companies here, think wall mart big (Actually wall mart is one of the customers and responsible for 2,5 million emails) On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > SO YOU are the one sending me all that junk mail!!!!! > > Bob > > > On May 19, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > > > I need a sanity check for many reasons, that is one. > > > > Just imagine that I am working on a company that sends email marketing > and > > that we send about 10 million emails per day... it all comes from that > > database you saw. 6 thousand tables governing the process of mailing and > > tracking 10 Million emails per day and rising. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From th.douez at gmail.com Wed May 19 16:59:00 2010 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry D.) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:59:00 +0200 Subject: destroystack wrong behavior... In-Reply-To: References: <74E4F597-B89C-4265-BFB2-AEA209AE1DAA@sunnyrevcode.com> Message-ID: <830B97AA-48E3-4656-AC07-0794D38BA296@sunnyrevcode.com> Le 19 mai 2010 ? 21:34, Andre Garzia a ?crit : > Been there as well, came to a little fix if you can call that a fix, instead > of closing the stack try something along the lines of: > > delete stack "myStack" > > This will really take it out of the memory, so these days, I close and then > I delete or vice versa... So, we are at least 3 to have experienced it ! Sounds a good one. I'll try it for a while and see... Regards, Thierry From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 19 16:59:52 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 15:59:52 -0500 Subject: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio? In-Reply-To: <4CDF3D01-E3A8-4C72-95AF-354576F64C67@cruzio.com> References: <4BF41C31.70806@fourthworld.com> <4CDF3D01-E3A8-4C72-95AF-354576F64C67@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <4BF45148.8040408@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Swindell wrote: > Quite the conundrum. Thanks for the explanation. New motto: Write > once, wrestle lots, and deploy on multiple platforms. To be fair, it's easy and as advertised to build on all platforms from any OS, with this one exception of building for OS X from Windows. You can't really blame Rev for not being able to support something that Windows isn't capable of doing. Windows is completely unaware of any unix-based permissions. Going the other direction -- building on other platforms for Windows deployment -- works fine and as expected. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From st.king42 at ntlworld.com Wed May 19 17:02:04 2010 From: st.king42 at ntlworld.com (Steve King) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:02:04 +0100 Subject: Subject: Re: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio? In-Reply-To: <20100519170004.EBA27288055@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100519170004.EBA27288055@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <12178D5E8FA14118A5BA88BD0556A749@Home> Hi Paul, Richard Thanks for your help. I should be able to get it working from this, even if I have to help the user myself! >Unfortunately, Apple's Unix core will require an extra step to deploy there: >The folder you see is what Apple calls a "bundle", and contains all the >parts and pieces the app needs to run, things that are embedded into a >single file on Windows. >Within the bundle at this path: > /.app/Contents/MacOS/ >...where it says you'll find the actual executable. But since >it was generated from Windows it has no executable bit, which Unix-based >file systems need to run a file as an executable. >To make the app runnnable you'll need to copy the *.app bundle to a Mac, >then on the Mac use Terminal to change the permissions on the executable >using chmod. >If there's an easier way to generate Mac standalones from Windows I >haven't found it. Cheers Steve From andre at andregarzia.com Wed May 19 17:03:04 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:03:04 -0300 Subject: Cloud computing: scalable DB In-Reply-To: References: <544C92B4-9528-416E-BFDB-4BC4A4E1B36D@twft.com> Message-ID: oh and this is to the Brazilian public, I don't think we send anything overseas... it is mostly promotions and ads for big shops and companies in here... now, if you think I am sending you email, you can send me your email and I will search the 55 Million email database to check if you're in any of them. :-D On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > guilt as charged... but our doubleoptout works, so people can actually > unsubscribe. We just provide the system to some really big companies here, > think wall mart big (Actually wall mart is one of the customers and > responsible for 2,5 million emails) > > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> SO YOU are the one sending me all that junk mail!!!!! >> >> Bob >> >> >> On May 19, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: >> >> > I need a sanity check for many reasons, that is one. >> > >> > Just imagine that I am working on a company that sends email marketing >> and >> > that we send about 10 million emails per day... it all comes from that >> > database you saw. 6 thousand tables governing the process of mailing and >> > tracking 10 Million emails per day and rising. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From revolution at derbrill.de Wed May 19 17:05:28 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 23:05:28 +0200 Subject: destroystack wrong behavior... In-Reply-To: <20100518095407.526F9288307@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100518095407.526F9288307@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Thierry, does your stack have any substacks that are still open? Rev can not destroy it in that case. Do you reference to it with a filePath? -> Will be reopened each time you reference to it then. Does it carry an external that is still used? -> Rev won?t destroy it then AFAIK Other than those cases, I have never seen destroystack fail. All the best, Malte From briany at qldlearning.com Wed May 19 17:37:29 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 14:37:29 -0700 Subject: Cloud computing: scalable DB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <590839B1-CFE6-402C-8945-72F9E93E8AEC@qldlearning.com> Andre, If you mean by this that the bottleneck is READ access for sending the emails, would replication be an option? You could set up a second slave DB which shouldn't affect WRITE much unless you are already saturated on that end as well. Then when you need that burst of data, just alternate (or some smarter load balancing) between the two machines. READ access can scale close to linearly that way with a pretty simple setup. Now, if you are running out of WRITE capacity, that's a harder problem... HTH? > Now, here our bottleneck is actually the database machine. It can't pump out > the data as fast as we need it. There are also other design bottlenecks, but > the email sending part is not one of them. From mdswindell at cruzio.com Wed May 19 17:45:15 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 14:45:15 -0700 Subject: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio? In-Reply-To: <4BF45148.8040408@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BF41C31.70806@fourthworld.com> <4CDF3D01-E3A8-4C72-95AF-354576F64C67@cruzio.com> <4BF45148.8040408@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <308B60BF-B66F-4677-9FE0-2CDEE4132896@cruzio.com> I meant to be more silly than sarcastic. :) It works fine the way I use it, from Mac to Windows. But it can't be denied it's not so simple if you write on Windows and wish to deploy on Mac, and that is sort of 1/2 of the common equation for x-platform deployment, isn't it? Mark (Not meaning to offend the Linux folks, but Windows and Mac are still the main supported platforms from all I read here.) On May 19, 2010, at 1:59 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Mark Swindell wrote: >> Quite the conundrum. Thanks for the explanation. New motto: Write >> once, wrestle lots, and deploy on multiple platforms. > > To be fair, it's easy and as advertised to build on all platforms from any OS, with this one exception of building for OS X from Windows. You can't really blame Rev for not being able to support something that Windows isn't capable of doing. Windows is completely unaware of any unix-based permissions. Going the other direction -- building on other platforms for Windows deployment -- works fine and as expected. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 19 18:04:41 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:04:41 -0500 Subject: destroystack wrong behavior... In-Reply-To: References: <20100518095407.526F9288307@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4BF46079.1010407@hyperactivesw.com> Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > Thierry, > > does your stack have any substacks that are still open? Rev can not destroy it in that case. > Do you reference to it with a filePath? -> Will be reopened each time you reference to it then. > Does it carry an external that is still used? -> Rev won?t destroy it then AFAIK > > Other than those cases, I have never seen destroystack fail. Right. Other things that prevent a stack closing are drivers that haven't been closed (i.e., revSpeech, etc.) and any pending messages that haven't been cancelled. Externals aren't a problem, stacks will still close when using those. So to ensure that a stack is really removed from memory when closing: 1. Destroystack must be set to true 2. Substacks must be closed 3. Pending messages must be cancelled 4. Any open drivers must be closed -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jerry.daniels at me.com Wed May 19 18:05:11 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:05:11 -0500 Subject: [OT] Built our first web app on the iPad with Rodeo! Message-ID: <7961FCAF-E37D-4798-99DD-9215EC935752@me.com> Check out the screen shots of a Rodeo app being editing, etc. on an iPad: http://rodeoapps.com/built-our-first-web-app-on-the-ipad-with-rode Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch From rman at free.fr Wed May 19 18:09:12 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 15:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT] 3d flip effect? In-Reply-To: <1274209526779-2221740.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1274173276269-2220947.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274177914326-2221049.post@n4.nabble.com> <0732EF48-6C08-440A-BBB2-F41518777685@mac.com> <1274186719453-2221215.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274187658300-2221234.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274188539078-2221249.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274195165390-2221427.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274209526779-2221740.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1274306952439-2223690.post@n4.nabble.com> on my macBook.. oldy.. 1,83 core duo with lots of ram, it takes 2 seconds on the whole. As I splitted it up.. nearly one sec to prepare and the other to actualy curl.. so chacing in just reduces by half still one long second!! too much still.. sniff!! Well.. we'll do without the curl then!! smile. alos same size of stack 700 someting by 700 something Here is the code I used (I changed a few things but it is nearly the original one..) on mouseUp if (noCore()) then exit mouseUp put the milliseconds into tStart prepareCurl put the milliseconds into tEnd put tEnd-tStart into tdiff1 -- answer "doCUrl? "&tdiff1 with "go" put the milliseconds into tStart -- if it is "go" then doCurl doCurl put the milliseconds into tEnd put tEnd-tStart into tdiff2 answer "doCUrl took " & tdiff1 &" + "& tdiff2 &" ="& (tdiff1+tdiff2) with "go" end mouseUp on prepareCurl lock screen -- go next card export snapshot from the next card to tTarget as png set the text of image "TargetImage" to tTarget set the loc of image "TargetImage" to the loc of this card hide image "TargetImage" export snapshot from this card to tSource as png set the text of image "SourceImage" to tSource set the loc of image "SourceImage" to the loc of this card show image "SourceImage" unlock screen end prepareCurl on doCurl show image "TargetImage" with visual effect "CIPageCurlTransition" fast with angle -280 and backsideImage ID (the short ID of image "sourceImage") and extent (the rect of this card) and radius 120.00 and shadingImage ID (the short ID of image "shadingImage") lock screen go to next card hide image "TargetImage" hide image "sourceImage" put empty into image "targetImage" put empty into image "SourceImage" unlock screen end doCurl -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-3d-flip-effect-tp2220725p2223690.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed May 19 18:28:57 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 15:28:57 -0700 Subject: [OT] WebM: another fly in our friend's eye? In-Reply-To: <4BF42B11.3020907@gmail.com> References: <4BF42B11.3020907@gmail.com> Message-ID: WebM is supposed to be as open as HTML, Javascript and CSS, where the rights were freely given. It's a great step forward in the standardization and modernization of the web, like HTML5. I'm checking the special Opera browser now. Something else to watch: Web Fonts http://www.alistapart.com/articles/cssatten On 19 May 2010 11:16, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > http://www.webmproject.org/ > > another 'Open' initiative started by Google; > > how OPEN this is, and whether it intended to > be something 'real' or just Google chucking > something into the current soup brewing > between Apple and Adobe I don't know. > _______________________________________________ > From niggemann at uni-wh.de Wed May 19 18:35:10 2010 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 15:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT] 3d flip effect? In-Reply-To: <1274306952439-2223690.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1274173276269-2220947.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274177914326-2221049.post@n4.nabble.com> <0732EF48-6C08-440A-BBB2-F41518777685@mac.com> <1274186719453-2221215.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274187658300-2221234.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274188539078-2221249.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274195165390-2221427.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274209526779-2221740.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274306952439-2223690.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1274308510742-2223712.post@n4.nabble.com> Robert, you changed the curl to fast. On my MacBook Pro 2.33 that gives about 800 milliseconds. BUT: it is what transitions are for, I did not even test the timing for curl because the user sees a transition without much latency, that is more important than the time. I agree with you that waiting 1000 milliseconds for something to happen is very long. But that is the snapshot part. If you cut that down with caching in a custom property and you come down to 150 milliseconds or so I think that is ok. if you want to try it: ---------------- watch out for linebreaks on mouseUp if (noCore()) then exit mouseUp lock screen go next card set the text of image "TargetImage" to the uImage of this card set the loc of image "TargetImage" to the loc of this card hide image "TargetImage" set the text of image "SourceImage" to the uImage of prev card set the loc of image "SourceImage" to the loc of this card show image "SourceImage" unlock screen show image "TargetImage" with visual effect "CIPageCurlTransition" very slow with angle -280 and backsideImage\ ID (the short ID of image "sourceImage") and extent (the rect of this card)\ and radius 120.00 and shadingImage ID (the short ID of image "shadingImage") lock screen put empty into image "targetImage" hide image "TargetImage" put empty into image "SourceImage" hide image "sourceImage" end mouseUp ------------------------------- to create the custom properties with the snapshot of the cards: in the script of the stack: -------------------- on MakeImages repeat with i = 1 to the number of cards export snapshot from card i to tTarget as png set the uImage of card i to tTarget end repeat end MakeImages --------------------- call MakeImages once from the message box and you have your card images in the custom properties. regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-3d-flip-effect-tp2220725p2223712.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From niconiko at gmail.com Wed May 19 19:08:00 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:08:00 +0900 Subject: destroystack wrong behavior... In-Reply-To: <4BF46079.1010407@hyperactivesw.com> References: <20100518095407.526F9288307@mail.runrev.com> <4BF46079.1010407@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: > 4. Any open drivers must be closed How to tell what are the open drivers? Is there a commad like "openStacks" for drivers? BTW, I too've suffered this "destroystack wrong behavior", always shrugging it off as something of my own doing rather than Rev's. Something I'm even more convinced of after reading Jacqueline's warning to make sure everything and the kitchen sink is truly closed. -- Nicolas Cueto From mikekann at yahoo.com Wed May 19 20:25:26 2010 From: mikekann at yahoo.com (Michael Kann) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: gigapan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <479005.43933.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> The ability to zoom in on this image is amazing. http://gigapan.org/gigapans/15374/ From josh at dvcreators.net Wed May 19 20:26:20 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:26:20 -0700 Subject: Has anyone integrated PayPal's "website payments pro" into a Rev stack? Message-ID: <412550CE-C3FF-44E8-AE5D-41F1A47411BE@dvcreators.net> Has anyone integrated PayPal's "website payments pro" into a Rev stack? I just put a test stack together, and POSTed a name-value pair string: METHOD=DoDirectPayment&PAYMENTACTION=Authorization&IPADDRESS=76.173.63.106&CREDITCARDTYPE=MasterCard&FIRSTNAME=Josh&LASTNAME=Mellicker&BUSINESS=&STREET=2286+Ronda+Vista+Dr&STREET2=&CITY=Los+Angeles&STATE=CA&ZIP=90027&PHONENUM=323-661-5626&EMAIL=josh%40leapingbrain.com&ACCT=5423796149114721&CVV2=640&COUNTRYCODE=US&EXPDATE=032011&AMT=1.00&USER=userna_1271887449_biz_api1.gmail.com&PWD=xxxxxxxxx&SIGNATURE=A9L7paNl5NDQvEvD3bNKUk4uhotZAPWp1MTDBCfdwfJf2MH1Nmbl0mV3&VERSION=2.3 to this URL: https://api-3t.sandbox.paypal.com/nvp and got this error returned: error -Error with certificate at depth: 1 issuer = /C=US/O=VeriSign, Inc./OU=Class 3 Public Primary Certification Authority - G2/OU=(c) 1998 VeriSign, Inc. - For authorized use only/OU=VeriSign Trust Network subject = /C=US/O=VeriSign, Inc./OU=VeriSign Trust Network/OU=Terms of use at https://www.verisign.com/rpa (c)09/CN=VeriSign Class 3 Secure Server CA - G2 err 20:unable to get local issuer certificate --- We have no problem POSTing to an https:// Authorize.net URL from Rev, either I'm doing something wrong, or Paypal requires more authentication? I'm going to pursue this with PayPal, but suddenly realized some RunRev developer might have already invented this wheel. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Wed May 19 21:10:44 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Strange behavior in the IDE Message-ID: <1274317844412-2223808.post@n4.nabble.com> Hello all. Last night I built a splash loader for my application that loads sqlYoga, negotiates the database connection and opens up all the stacks needed for my program. Well, I wake up today and the revIDE has been extremely erratic! Last night the loader ran as it was supposed to, it worked very well with StackRunner 2.0 from sons of thunder as well. Today, it works exactly the same when opened with StackRunner but the rev IDE doesn't load it correctly. No messages get sent when watching the message watcher. The only way I can get the rest of the script to execute is to choose "Close and remove from memory" several times until it finally (seemingly at random) loads properly. I have noticed some other strange behavior such as my SQLYoga object loses the schema for my db. When this happens closing and re-opening the IDE is the only thing that can try to fix it. All the while, these same stacks work flawlessly in StackRunner 2.0 I tried re-installing revEnterprise, and installing revEnterprise to another directory. Is this a problem with my code or something else entirely? I may have copied my sqlButton containing my SQLYoga Object to another stack along with the code that invoked it. Would this cause this sort of problem? I am at a loss for what to do. It wont really let me develop anymore without these very very large quirks. Any help or shared experience would be greatly appreciated. Learning revTalk while developing an app with it has left my program in a state semi-disarray and chock full of code revisions and refactoring. I am tempted to recreate what I have from the pool of spaghetti code. I am thinking this will take less time than cleaning up the code and debugging it. Thoughts on this? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Strange-behavior-in-the-IDE-tp2223808p2223808.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jhj at jhj.com Wed May 19 21:24:45 2010 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:24:45 -0700 Subject: Strange behavior in the IDE In-Reply-To: <1274317844412-2223808.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1274317844412-2223808.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <831AECA1-5EDC-4345-B499-2C394E94C3CC@jhj.com> On May 19, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > > Learning revTalk while developing an app with it has left my program in a > state semi-disarray and chock full of code revisions and refactoring. I am > tempted to recreate what I have from the pool of spaghetti code. I am > thinking this will take less time than cleaning up the code and debugging > it. Thoughts on this? A long time ago, doing some consulting work for Claris (rememver them?) in a meeting, a very wise man whose name I have forgotten said something on the order of: Take any opportunity to rewrite your code. The first pancake is never the best! -- the other Jerry From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Wed May 19 21:59:54 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Show Your Colors on Slashdot - Runrev Coverage about RevMobile Still Hot In-Reply-To: <86B98FCBE5634E30AE8FB17A9EDBA17B@GATEWAY> References: <86B98FCBE5634E30AE8FB17A9EDBA17B@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Did my part. Judy From johnpatten at mac.com Wed May 19 23:31:00 2010 From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 20:31:00 -0700 Subject: Playing wav sound file in Linux in background? Message-ID: <77A90664-0D8E-45CF-AD13-29F741B32A4E@mac.com> Thanks Everyone... ... and Andre all try out you suggestion on the shell command when I get a second. I solved the issue by just looking a little closer and the man file for arecord and discoverd that I could just change the file format to one that Revolution could handle. It used "-f u8" and that did the trick. I have one other question about getting the correct path to a directory in a standalone where I save my stack saves the audio file. It works fine when I'm in Revolution editor, but after I save it as a standalone it saves the audio file in the wrong location. I was under the impression that Windows and Linux did not have an issue with file paths when saved as standalones, but I may be doing something incorrectly. Here's what i have: put the effective filename of current stack into theTargetPath set the itemDel to "/" delete last item of theTargetPath delete first item of theTargetPath put "/" & theTargetPath & "/recordings/" into theRecordingTarget convert the date && the long time to seconds put it into tFileNameRec put tFileNameRec into cd fld "audioFileName" send "mouseUp" to btn "Stop Recording" in 10 secs put "arecord -d 10 -fu8 -t wav" into tShellCmd put shell(tschellCmd&&theRecordingTarget&FilenameRec) This works fine when I'm in the editor (saves to the "recordings" folder), but when I create a standalone the standalone saves the audio file as "student" in the location of the directory that I select to build the standalone. Any advice on what I'm missing with this little Linux process? Thank you! John Patten From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Thu May 20 00:31:27 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 23:31:27 -0500 Subject: Reading the HyperNext manual #1 In-Reply-To: <4BF2DE41.2010608@gmail.com> References: <4BF2DE41.2010608@gmail.com> Message-ID: HyperNext is hardly "developed by 1 person." It is based on REALbasic, using RB's scripting language as its programming language. So the fact that it can play multiple sounds, run on multiple platforms, etc., comes courtesy of the hard work of the team at REAL Software. It would be about the same as giving Ken Ray credit for the amazing graphics capabilities of stackrunner (no offense, Ken). gc On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > ?http://www.tigabyte.com/docs/LanguageReference.pdf > > "There are five dedicated sound channels and any sound > or music file must be allocated to a channel." > > The idea of having sound channels so that 2 or more sounds can > be played simultaneously comes up here from time to time; but > never seems to get anywhere. > > Now how is it that a RAD developed by 1 person can manage > sound channels while . . . . ?? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com Thu May 20 00:40:04 2010 From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 07:40:04 +0300 Subject: Cloud computing: scalable DB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19/5/10 9:36 PM, "Andre Garzia" wrote: Hi Andre, Ok I see. So we agree that Valentina can be used, of course, for WEB development in any way including Revolution, What you cannot now is to use vserver with rev-online service. >>> I think that David is doing some web development since most of the uses >> of >>> SimpleDB and RDS are related to web apps. Right now, we can't do web >>> development with valentina and rev. Which is a pitty since valentina is >>> deadly fast and provides the key-value stuff. >> >> Why you can't? >> > > Because revServer can't access externals, so the ADK for Rev does not work > with revServer. It needs a pure revTalk library that talks to Valentina > Server to work. >> >> Any OS platform. You install VSERVER, make your REV app. >> Host them together. What problems? >> >> Plus the same VSERVER can be touched by any other Valentina Client >> from C++, C#, ObjC ... To PHP, RB, REV, Director, ShockWave, ... >> > > As the above comment, with revServer we can't access any valentina for rev > routines since it does not support externals. We would need a pure revTalk > implementation. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Thu May 20 00:40:35 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 23:40:35 -0500 Subject: Reading the Supercard manual #1 In-Reply-To: <4BF2CDD1.3020909@gmail.com> References: <4BF2CDD1.3020909@gmail.com> Message-ID: long long ago I wrote a full stack -> XML -> stack converter. It's been about ten years so I wouldn't be surprised if it's broken, but here: http://inspiredlogic.com/mc/ripper.html From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com Thu May 20 00:43:14 2010 From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 07:43:14 +0300 Subject: Cloud computing: scalable DB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19/5/10 9:47 PM, "Brian Yennie" wrote: > Warning, bad analogy on the way... > > That's kind of like observing a truck full of loose boulders ready to fly out > the back. Isn't that what trucks are for, carrying heavy loads? > > Point being that yes, SQL is one means towards managing large amounts of > tables, rows, data, etc -- but it still suffers if you throw just anything at > it. Also I can just imagine maintaining the SQL for 1000 tables =). Just single query of course will not touch 1000 tables. Single query == human question. May be 2-3-4 logical objects are touched. Logical object - can take few tables of course. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com Thu May 20 00:57:20 2010 From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 07:57:20 +0300 Subject: Cloud computing: scalable DB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19/5/10 10:04 PM, "Andre Garzia" wrote: > Can valentina hold 6k tables and millions and millions of records? I could > create a portable version of this system, almost a portable nightmare. In theory there is no limits. I have hear about 50-100GB dbs on Valentina. With many records. And only once I have hear about 1000+ tables db not so far. * So far not clear to me - why 6000 tables? They all really different and implement 6000 objects of real world? Or this is some "optimization" attempts to split info to reduce by vertical? * when your mails are generated from DB then A) how many queries is required to generate single letter? B) how many tables are touched for this? C) does different letters touch different tables? If yes then where is IF control? In the REV code? Or SQL? * what exactly is your problem(s) now? You do not like SQL because you write each day on it? But then by this logic members of this list should hate REV talk, and me should hate C++ :-) * and if your 6000 tables mirror lets says 1000 real world objects and rest is links between them ... Then you still have huge DOMAIN in your task. Even if translate this task to some OO language as C++/Java/PHP5/ObjC you still will need 1000 classes to mirror that real world objects. Right? -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu May 20 01:34:24 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:34:24 +0300 Subject: Reading the Supercard manual #2 In-Reply-To: <4BF44F69.3040808@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BF44139.7080409@gmail.com> <4BF44F69.3040808@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BF4C9E0.2040106@gmail.com> On 19/05/2010 23:51, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> "Using Help From Within the Script Editor >> The Help System's Language Guide entries can be looked up >> automatically from within SuperCard's or >> SuperEdit's script editor window. Simply hilite the word you wish to >> lookup and press Command-?. If the >> help system is currently not running it will be launched and the >> Language Guide window will open to >> the hilited entry. If the highlighted word is not a SuperTalk word >> the help system will tell you." >> >> Yum! > > We already have that. > That's funny; I tried that and it didn't work. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu May 20 02:00:05 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 01:00:05 -0500 Subject: Reading the Supercard manual #2 In-Reply-To: <4BF4C9E0.2040106@gmail.com> References: <4BF44139.7080409@gmail.com> <4BF44F69.3040808@hyperactivesw.com> <4BF4C9E0.2040106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BF4CFE5.6050907@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 19/05/2010 23:51, J. Landman Gay wrote: >> Richmond Mathewson wrote: >>> "Using Help From Within the Script Editor >>> The Help System's Language Guide entries can be looked up >>> automatically from within SuperCard's or >>> SuperEdit's script editor window. Simply hilite the word you wish to >>> lookup and press Command-?. If the >>> help system is currently not running it will be launched and the >>> Language Guide window will open to >>> the hilited entry. If the highlighted word is not a SuperTalk word >>> the help system will tell you." >>> >>> Yum! >> >> We already have that. >> > That's funny; I tried that and it didn't work. Sorry, as someone else said, you need to right-click in Rev and choose "find in docs". Or easier, just click the Documentation pane at the bottom of the editor to see whatever word your cursor is in. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From rene.micout at numericable.com Thu May 20 02:34:01 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:34:01 +0200 Subject: gigapan In-Reply-To: <479005.43933.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <479005.43933.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5BD5D4BF-3756-4EDF-8375-DB55BADC502F@numericable.com> Yes... But that ! http://www.paris-26-gigapixels.com/index-en.html Le 20 mai 2010 ? 02:25, Michael Kann a ?crit : > The ability to zoom in on this image is amazing. > > http://gigapan.org/gigapans/15374/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 20 03:31:31 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 00:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1274340691817-2224030.post@n4.nabble.com> Dioes the Finder have the ability to get and set properties, ie permissions? The usual thing to do in Linux, very similar base, would be to tell the user to right click in a file manager, ie in the Mac case the Finder, get properties, and change the permissions to executable. You wouldn't normally need to ask them to do that in the terminal. Haven't used Macs for quite a while, so maybe it doesn't work like this. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Creating-Mac-standalone-on-Windows-Studio-tp2223127p2224030.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 20 03:35:11 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 00:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Playing wav sound file in Linux in background? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1274340911078-2224036.post@n4.nabble.com> Yes, of course. I shall have to try this on the printing script. Thanks! There is also, for completeness, the nohup command, which lets a process run after the terminal session has closed, might come in handy in similar situations. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Playing-wav-sound-file-in-Linux-in-background-tp2220508p2224036.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From th.douez at gmail.com Thu May 20 03:52:54 2010 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry D.) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 09:52:54 +0200 Subject: destroystack wrong behavior... In-Reply-To: References: <20100518095407.526F9288307@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Le 19 mai 2010 ? 23:05, Malte Pfaff-Brill a ?crit : > Thierry, Hello Malte, > does your stack have any substacks that are still open? > Rev can not destroy it in that case. Yes, one substack and sometimes it's visible, sometimes not visible. Then, the mainstack is closed, but still in memory. But it's not my problem right now. ( I've pass to this one too, especially when the substack is hidden ) > Do you reference to it with a filePath? -> > Will be reopened each time you reference to it then. I did the test with One stack + 1 substack ( which does nothing ) So, where can I reference it with a filePath ? I guess it's not for my case. > Does it carry an external that is still used? -> Rev won?t destroy it then AFAIK That's probably the point. Can someone give a definition of "still in use" ? In all the externals I made, I always build a sort of ResetExternalFunction to do all kinds of reset, freeing buffers,... But nowhere I've seen any information about "closing/unloading an external" ???? As for the last 10 years, starting from Metacard on Unix, then using mostly Metacard, then using kRev, never had one of this problem. Hmm, and I've make almost 50 externals mainly for specific customer applications and few to be used within the Rev IDE. So, I'm not that familiar with the Rev IDE tricks. > Other than those cases, I have never seen destroystack fail. Different ways of coding and working with Rev... Maybe you were lucky or maybe I'm not :) Another point: this reminds me one thread on this list about someone who couldn't start an external. I guess/feel that his problem could be that his stack was still in memory, and when he restarted it, the normal process of loading the external didn't work because the stack was already in memory..... My 2 cents. Thanks to all for your suggestions. Regards, Thierry From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu May 20 07:24:09 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:24:09 +0100 Subject: revLets and Libraries Message-ID: I would like to be able to set up a testing scenario that enables a user to preview a view widget in a browser as a fully functioning test / demo. I have a library of these views with each view residing in its own stack. I can set up standalone settings so that when you open a view stack you can easily "Save as standalone...." and the revLet is saved and appears in the default browser. The problem I have is with libraries - that is if a particular view needs a library to function. I can add the library as a stack in the standalone settings, but it is copied as a seperate rev stack with a revLet. As far as i know you have to have the library as a substack if you want to use it in a revlet? Any ideas how to automate this - i don't want to duplicate the library and make it a substack of all the view widget stacks? From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu May 20 07:36:47 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:36:47 +0300 Subject: Reading the HyperNext manual #1 In-Reply-To: References: <4BF2DE41.2010608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BF51ECF.2090403@gmail.com> On 20/05/2010 07:31, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote: > HyperNext is hardly "developed by 1 person." It is based on REALbasic, > using RB's scripting language as its programming language. So the fact > that it can play multiple sounds, run on multiple platforms, etc., > comes courtesy of the hard work of the team at REAL Software. > > It would be about the same as giving Ken Ray credit for the amazing > graphics capabilities of stackrunner (no offense, Ken). > > gc > Fair point! > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Richmond Mathewson > wrote: >> http://www.tigabyte.com/docs/LanguageReference.pdf >> >> "There are five dedicated sound channels and any sound >> or music file must be allocated to a channel." >> >> The idea of having sound channels so that 2 or more sounds can >> be played simultaneously comes up here from time to time; but >> never seems to get anywhere. >> >> Now how is it that a RAD developed by 1 person can manage >> sound channels while . . . . ? What I do not understand (and I have asked this before) is why, if so many languages/IDEs/RADs have sound channels (my BBC has sound channels in its hardwired BBC BASIC), it seems to be such a sticking point every time I mention it the possibility re RunRev. Plying 2 sounds simultaneously in RunRev is a no-no; and the addition of sound channels would be a significanr addition. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu May 20 07:46:04 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:46:04 +0300 Subject: Reading the HyperNext manual #2 Message-ID: <4BF520FC.6000602@gmail.com> "HyperNext supports note playing based upon QuickTime Musical instruments. On Windows machines note playing requires QuickTime to be installed. There are 128 instruments available and a list of their names can be accessed using a HyperNext function. Three different approaches to playing notes are supported. The first two are useful for playing single notes whereas the third allows melodies or sequences of notes to be defined and played. At the present time HyperNext only supports one Note channel so if a melody is playing then any PlayPitch or PlayNote command will be ignored. (1) Notes can be played individually using the PlayPitch command which specifies the instrument, pitch, velocity and duration. This method is useful for allowing the user to play a particular note, perhaps via a keyboard displayed on a card. (2) Notes can be played individually using the PlayNote command which specifies the instrument, octave, note, velocity and duration. This method is useful for allowing the user to play a particular note, perhaps via a keyboard displayed on a card. (3) Notes can be played as group using the MelodyPlay command. This is more powerful than the PlayPitch/PlayNote commands and gives greater control over the musical output. " OK, Peter, leveraging QuickTime instruments wouldn't be much cop for Linux (but, that - as my Grandfather used to say - "is a coming man already gone). From rene.micout at numericable.com Thu May 20 07:56:33 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:56:33 +0200 Subject: Reading the HyperNext manual #1 In-Reply-To: <4BF51ECF.2090403@gmail.com> References: <4BF2DE41.2010608@gmail.com> <4BF51ECF.2090403@gmail.com> Message-ID: More ! to make chords 7 is better ! Ren? Le 20 mai 2010 ? 13:36, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > Plying 2 sounds simultaneously in RunRev is a no-no; and the > addition of sound channels would be a significanr addition. From rene.micout at numericable.com Thu May 20 07:58:17 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:58:17 +0200 Subject: Reading the HyperNext manual #2 In-Reply-To: <4BF520FC.6000602@gmail.com> References: <4BF520FC.6000602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <91F8AB2F-14D9-4575-96B1-A36064C8842E@numericable.com> YES ! Le 20 mai 2010 ? 13:46, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > "HyperNext supports note playing based upon QuickTime Musical instruments. On > Windows machines note playing requires QuickTime to be installed. There are 128 > instruments available and a list of their names can be accessed using a HyperNext > function. > Three different approaches to playing notes are supported. The first two are useful for > playing single notes whereas the third allows melodies or sequences of notes to be > defined and played. At the present time HyperNext only supports one Note channel so if > a melody is playing then any PlayPitch or PlayNote command will be ignored. > > (1) Notes can be played individually using the PlayPitch command which specifies the > instrument, pitch, velocity and duration. This method is useful for allowing the user to > play a particular note, perhaps via a keyboard displayed on a card. > > (2) Notes can be played individually using the PlayNote command which specifies the > instrument, octave, note, velocity and duration. This method is useful for allowing the > user to play a particular note, perhaps via a keyboard displayed on a card. > > (3) Notes can be played as group using the MelodyPlay command. This is more powerful > than the PlayPitch/PlayNote commands and gives greater control over the musical > output. " > > OK, Peter, leveraging QuickTime instruments wouldn't be much cop for Linux > (but, that - as my Grandfather used to say - "is a coming man already gone). > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jim at visitrieve.com Thu May 20 08:15:19 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 02:15:19 -1000 Subject: destroystack wrong behavior... In-Reply-To: References: <20100518095407.526F9288307@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <01a701caf816$1dfa1ca0$59ee55e0$@com> Thierry wrote: > Another point: this reminds me one thread on this list about someone > who couldn't start an external. I guess/feel that his problem could be > that > his stack was still in memory, and when he restarted it, the normal > process of > loading the external didn't work because the stack was already in > memory..... There is an issue here. The issue involves destroyStack and externals and memory usage both in the IDE and in standalones on Windows (probably on Mac also, but I was never able to positively confirm it on Mac). This issue is if you start a stack that uses an external that leaks memory, like revBrowser (revBrowser itself doesn't leak, but the browser control that it uses does). The known way to release the leaked memory is to close the external. The way to release the external is to destroy the stack that opened the external. However, after destroying the stack (and there is some question as to whether the stack was actually destroyed or not), the fact is that the memory is not released. This would indicate that the stack was not destroyed and the external is still in memory. In any case, the only way to release the memory is to close the IDE or standalone itself. My understanding is that this is a big architectural change that will be addressed as part of other architectural changes in the future. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From david at architex.tv Thu May 20 08:34:58 2010 From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:34:58 +0100 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad Message-ID: This has been troubling me. Steve jobs is reputed to have said: ?Something like HyperCard on the iPad? Yes, but someone would have to create it? at the Apple?s shareholder meetingsome time in early 2010. The closest source to this I can find is here(the relevant section below is at the bottom of the article): As usual, there were also a number of off-beat comments and questions, > ranging from suggestions that Apple invest in Tesla Motors (Jobs: ?We were > thinking of a toga party, actually?) to a request for a flagship Apple Store > in Cupertino (?I?ll pass that on to our retail team?), to a suggestion that > Apple partner with Nintendo (strategic alliances are hard, but possible if > it?s worth it), to a desire for a simple programming language on the iPad > (?Something like HyperCard on the iPad? Yes, but someone would have to > create it?). Jobs declined to comment on the possibility of a > Verizon-network iPhone. > So it was a casual remark - not thought through maybe? I'd be tempted to be generous on this one - and figure that he meant what he said. If so it would be real interesting to ask on what legal and technical basis someone could do that. I don't think his answer would be along Rodeo lines - that is you'd have to create web app's. So perhaps it is worth asking along which lines a real HyperCard app could be made on the iPhone? How about a community drafted letter - one directed specifically at this question and to clarify his thinking on this? What would such a letter look like? Which is the best open platform out there to draft such a letter together and collect signatures? NB - I'd be tempted to think that one possible answer which would square the circle (with regard to Apples concerns with a middle layer lock in) - is if the HyperCard app on the iPhone was open source. Then there would be no lock-in against Apples interest as if they or any Apple developers wanted to improve and add platform specific features they would have the power to do that? That is surely part of the logic behind why JavaScript is OK. From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Thu May 20 08:43:17 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:43:17 +0200 Subject: The Data Grid Helper updates its road map Message-ID: Dear List, A quick post to let you know that the Slug continues to work hard on its Data Grid Helper project. To give the best possible experience, it has updated the road map: http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=74:data-grid-helper&catid=41:tools-for-revolution&Itemid=64 Some screenshots and a new video are planned for the end of this week. Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From david at architex.tv Thu May 20 08:45:56 2010 From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:45:56 +0100 Subject: Rodeo: 2 questions Message-ID: Hi Jerry, I'm still reading about Rodeo and trying to evaluate whether to take the plunge. there are a couple of things I don't quite get: 1. The web apps being served by On-Rev: "Rodeo server is a highly-scaleable, secure, n-tier architected cloud solution." So there is no way to author and then serve from our own servers, and that means a minimum $10 a month fee for hosting. What about bandwidth? What if someone creates a wildly popular webapp - can they serve some content from a CDN? Any ideas how you would charge for that? 2. Is there any specific strategy offered by On-Rev in your server set-up that allows true scalability and load balancing across regions etc? Or are we realistically going to be stuck with a single shared or perhaps even private server without the ability to scale that? OK for a the vast majority of apps this won't be an issue - but having the option to scale in the event is still an issue. From rene.micout at numericable.com Thu May 20 08:50:07 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:50:07 +0200 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5586CE32-716F-4CE4-8C6F-19FB2A80156B@numericable.com> I agree and put my signature, but for iPad ! Ren? Le 20 mai 2010 ? 14:34, David Bovill a ?crit : > This has been troubling me. Steve jobs is reputed to have said: > > ?Something like HyperCard on the iPad? Yes, but someone would have to create > it? > > at the Apple?s shareholder > meetingsome > time in early 2010. The closest source to this I can find is > here(the > relevant section below is at the bottom of the article): > > As usual, there were also a number of off-beat comments and questions, >> ranging from suggestions that Apple invest in Tesla Motors (Jobs: ?We were >> thinking of a toga party, actually?) to a request for a flagship Apple Store >> in Cupertino (?I?ll pass that on to our retail team?), to a suggestion that >> Apple partner with Nintendo (strategic alliances are hard, but possible if >> it?s worth it), to a desire for a simple programming language on the iPad >> (?Something like HyperCard on the iPad? Yes, but someone would have to >> create it?). Jobs declined to comment on the possibility of a >> Verizon-network iPhone. >> > > So it was a casual remark - not thought through maybe? I'd be tempted to be > generous on this one - and figure that he meant what he said. If so it would > be real interesting to ask on what legal and technical basis someone could > do that. I don't think his answer would be along Rodeo lines - that is you'd > have to create web app's. > > So perhaps it is worth asking along which lines a real HyperCard app could > be made on the iPhone? How about a community drafted letter - one directed > specifically at this question and to clarify his thinking on this? What > would such a letter look like? Which is the best open platform out there to > draft such a letter together and collect signatures? > > NB - I'd be tempted to think that one possible answer which would square the > circle (with regard to Apples concerns with a middle layer lock in) - is if > the HyperCard app on the iPhone was open source. Then there would be no > lock-in against Apples interest as if they or any Apple developers wanted to > improve and add platform specific features they would have the power to do > that? That is surely part of the logic behind why JavaScript is OK. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jerry.daniels at me.com Thu May 20 09:27:46 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:27:46 -0500 Subject: Rodeo: 2 questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F66C286-5F91-4262-806F-6806615C1E09@me.com> Of course it's still early days, but we are very serious about having a scaleable backend service. Since one of us is in Australia, we also want geographic coverage. Every day this sector of our industry gets better. Massively shared servers? No. Deals for dedicated servers? Yes. We want this to be a premium service focused on performance. It will not be free. We are not taking on VC for this. There are no ads to support it. It will be fee supported. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 20, 2010, at 7:45 AM, David Bovill wrote: > Hi Jerry, I'm still reading about Rodeo and trying to evaluate whether to > take the plunge. there are a couple of things I don't quite get: > > 1. The web apps being served by On-Rev: "Rodeo server is a > highly-scaleable, secure, n-tier architected cloud solution." So there is no > way to author and then serve from our own servers, and that means a minimum > $10 a month fee for hosting. What about bandwidth? What if someone creates a > wildly popular webapp - can they serve some content from a CDN? Any ideas > how you would charge for that? > 2. Is there any specific strategy offered by On-Rev in your server set-up > that allows true scalability and load balancing across regions etc? Or are > we realistically going to be stuck with a single shared or perhaps even > private server without the ability to scale that? OK for a the vast majority > of apps this won't be an issue - but having the option to scale in the event > is still an issue. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Thu May 20 09:32:04 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:32:04 -0300 Subject: revLets and Libraries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh and by the way, if you're loading revlets, then checkout: http://hg.andregarzia.com/revletobject This will make your life easier. On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:24 AM, David Bovill wrote: > I would like to be able to set up a testing scenario that enables a user to > preview a view widget in a browser as a fully functioning test / demo. I > have a library of these views with each view residing in its own stack. I > can set up standalone settings so that when you open a view stack you can > easily "Save as standalone...." and the revLet is saved and appears in the > default browser. > > The problem I have is with libraries - that is if a particular view needs a > library to function. I can add the library as a stack in the standalone > settings, but it is copied as a seperate rev stack with a revLet. As far as > i know you have to have the library as a substack if you want to use it in > a > revlet? Any ideas how to automate this - i don't want to duplicate the > library and make it a substack of all the view widget stacks? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Thu May 20 09:31:28 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:31:28 -0300 Subject: revLets and Libraries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, I think in the current incarnation, revLets can load remote stacks. So just copy all your library stacks to a nice URL and load them with: go stack url "bla bla bla" start using stack "bla bla bla" :D On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:24 AM, David Bovill wrote: > I would like to be able to set up a testing scenario that enables a user to > preview a view widget in a browser as a fully functioning test / demo. I > have a library of these views with each view residing in its own stack. I > can set up standalone settings so that when you open a view stack you can > easily "Save as standalone...." and the revLet is saved and appears in the > default browser. > > The problem I have is with libraries - that is if a particular view needs a > library to function. I can add the library as a stack in the standalone > settings, but it is copied as a seperate rev stack with a revLet. As far as > i know you have to have the library as a substack if you want to use it in > a > revlet? Any ideas how to automate this - i don't want to duplicate the > library and make it a substack of all the view widget stacks? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 20 10:36:51 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 07:36:51 -0700 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad Message-ID: <4BF54903.4030202@fourthworld.com> David Bovill wrote: > So perhaps it is worth asking along which lines a real HyperCard app could > be made on the iPhone? Jeanne DeVoto shared this link with the improve-rev list recently, a blog written by someone who used to work at Apple who applies the insights from his history there to this iPhone OS debacle: The crux of his entry is: So the real situation around Flash is that Apple won't permit most other platforms on iPhone (no matter how innocuous they are) because it thinks they threaten its survival, while Adobe wants its platform on iPhone so it can set a de facto standard and make money from it. Neither company is really focused on protecting developers or users as its main goal; they are fighting over who gets to use developers to make money. I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. Someone may do it, but given that Apple recently cited their mobile market share at only 16.1% it ain't gonna be anyone I know. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From fmoyer at aol.com Thu May 20 10:52:29 2010 From: fmoyer at aol.com (Fred Moyer) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:52:29 -0400 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!) Message-ID: <28CED4EA-1EC7-4FBE-8F68-3F6621DA211A@aol.com> I've been following this thread and am very excited about the possibility of more audio functionality from within Rev. I am continually in need for these kinds of tools (mostly audio but also midi.) Here's my wishlist: - Play a sound file at a different speeds without changing pitch, while maintaining good sound quality. Some time shift apps sound pretty poor. There is a program called the Amazing Slow Downer which I think does a good job. - Fade ins/out. At present if all you need to do is fade from one song to another, two rev players works fine. But the splices I need to do are between two versions of the exact same place in the same song. I've been trying to do it with 2 rev players and there is usually a little bauble at the splice point. (Aside: I think I have a better "formula" for fades than the n // 100-n formula -- if anyone is interested, contact me.) One problem I'm experiencing is that when I play the same fade over and over, it sounds slightly different each time, telling me that "set the currentime of player x" is probably just not rock-solid enough for what I'm doing. So what would be great is a fading/splicing feature that is rock-solid and is a lot finer than 600 units per second. - With one stack I'm working on, I need to "tap" to the music to record the timing of the notes. This is classical music that often includes lots of fast notes. I've tried using the mouse or keyboard to do this, but the resulting data is inexact. (I think the computer is doing other tasks at the same time and doesn't give these mouseclicks or keydowns top priority.) Maybe what I need is some kind of midi input (I gather that is one of the great things about midi -- that it doesn't matter if the computer is downloading emails or looking for bluetooth devices -- it is going to record the time of those midi events perfectly.) But if midi features are added, it would be great if the user doesn't need to hook up a midi keyboard to record; for what I need to do, just the computer keyboard and mouse should be sufficient. - EQ, reverb, limiters/compressors would be great, and a way to add 3rd party plugins for those wanting higher quality. Thanks. Fred From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Thu May 20 11:07:58 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reading the HyperNext manual #1 In-Reply-To: <4BF51ECF.2090403@gmail.com> References: <4BF2DE41.2010608@gmail.com> <4BF51ECF.2090403@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's a sore point because some of us have been wanting this since forever, it IS possible, and it STILL hasn't happened. Judy On Thu, 20 May 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > What I do not understand (and I have asked this before) is why, if > so many languages/IDEs/RADs have sound channels (my BBC has > sound channels in its hardwired BBC BASIC), it seems to be such a > sticking point every time I mention it the possibility re RunRev. > > Plying 2 sounds simultaneously in RunRev is a no-no; and the > addition of sound channels would be a significanr addition. From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Thu May 20 10:53:03 2010 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:53:03 +0200 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BF54903.4030202@fourthworld.com> References: <4BF54903.4030202@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: totally agree. plus: totally fit for the iPhone/iPad. But we may see this someday. See this (sorta funny) blogpost http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/18/when-jobs-says-no-we-hear-maybe-heres-why/ Le 20 mai 2010 ? 16:36, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > David Bovill wrote: > >> So perhaps it is worth asking along which lines a real HyperCard app could >> be made on the iPhone? > > Jeanne DeVoto shared this link with the improve-rev list recently, a blog written by someone who used to work at Apple who applies the insights from his history there to this iPhone OS debacle: > > > > The crux of his entry is: > > So the real situation around Flash is that Apple won't permit > most other platforms on iPhone (no matter how innocuous they > are) because it thinks they threaten its survival, while Adobe > wants its platform on iPhone so it can set a de facto standard > and make money from it. Neither company is really focused on > protecting developers or users as its main goal; they are > fighting over who gets to use developers to make money. > > > I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. > > Someone may do it, but given that Apple recently cited their mobile market share at only 16.1% it ain't gonna be anyone I know. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Thu May 20 11:10:17 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reading the HyperNext manual #2 In-Reply-To: <4BF520FC.6000602@gmail.com> References: <4BF520FC.6000602@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's worth noting that you can already do this in Shakobox, available on Jacque's site... Judy On Thu, 20 May 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > "HyperNext supports note playing based upon QuickTime Musical > instruments. On > Windows machines note playing requires QuickTime to be installed. There are > 128 > instruments available and a list of their names can be accessed using a > HyperNext > function. From jerry.daniels at me.com Thu May 20 11:13:29 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:13:29 -0500 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: References: <4BF54903.4030202@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <8F6540BC-2A1D-43FD-B586-60EFBCEB8949@me.com> MJ and I were just discussing the fact that the entire iPad itself is HyperCard-like. The original HyperCard, that is. Think about it...there are no windows, there's just a screen. It's got the Home stack and everything. It's fairly modal, also. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 20, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > totally agree. plus: totally fit for the iPhone/iPad. > But we may see this someday. See this (sorta funny) blogpost > http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/18/when-jobs-says-no-we-hear-maybe-heres-why/ > Le 20 mai 2010 ? 16:36, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > >> David Bovill wrote: >> >>> So perhaps it is worth asking along which lines a real HyperCard >>> app could >>> be made on the iPhone? >> >> Jeanne DeVoto shared this link with the improve-rev list recently, >> a blog written by someone who used to work at Apple who applies the >> insights from his history there to this iPhone OS debacle: >> >> > > >> >> The crux of his entry is: >> >> So the real situation around Flash is that Apple won't permit >> most other platforms on iPhone (no matter how innocuous they >> are) because it thinks they threaten its survival, while Adobe >> wants its platform on iPhone so it can set a de facto standard >> and make money from it. Neither company is really focused on >> protecting developers or users as its main goal; they are >> fighting over who gets to use developers to make money. >> >> >> I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/ >> iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be >> available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. >> >> Someone may do it, but given that Apple recently cited their mobile >> market share at only 16.1% it ain't gonna be anyone I know. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World >> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com >> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Thu May 20 11:17:17 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 17:17:17 +0200 Subject: Reading the HyperNext manual #2 In-Reply-To: References: <4BF520FC.6000602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1B383C1E-DF1D-42D4-886D-BD9B2CFD1A2D@numericable.com> Yes, it is... I use it for complex applications, but there is some limitations like control duration by example... Bon souvenir de Paris Ren? Le 20 mai 2010 ? 17:10, Judy Perry a ?crit : > It's worth noting that you can already do this in Shakobox, available on Jacque's site... > > Judy > > On Thu, 20 May 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> "HyperNext supports note playing based upon QuickTime Musical instruments. On >> Windows machines note playing requires QuickTime to be installed. There are 128 >> instruments available and a list of their names can be accessed using a HyperNext >> function. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 20 11:31:10 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:31:10 -0700 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad Message-ID: <4BF555BE.2020903@fourthworld.com> Jerry Daniels wrote: > MJ and I were just discussing the fact that the entire iPad itself is > HyperCard-like. The original HyperCard, that is. > > Think about it...there are no windows, there's just a screen. It's got > the Home stack and everything. It's fairly modal, also. GMTA: :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu May 20 11:38:04 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:38:04 +0100 Subject: Rodeo: 2 questions In-Reply-To: <4F66C286-5F91-4262-806F-6806615C1E09@me.com> References: <4F66C286-5F91-4262-806F-6806615C1E09@me.com> Message-ID: On 20 May 2010 14:27, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Of course it's still early days, but we are very serious about having a > scaleable backend service. > > Since one of us is in Australia, we also want geographic coverage. Every > day this sector of our industry gets better. > > Massively shared servers? No. Deals for dedicated servers? Yes. > > We want this to be a premium service focused on performance. It will not be > free. We are not taking on VC for this. There are no ads to support it. It > will be fee supported. > Thanks for the info Jerry - very clear. Please keep us posted with details on your plans for backend scaleability using On-Rev. I'll keep investigating using cloud databases for this as i project I am working on needs it - and I can;t see how I would use On-Rev to deliver easy and affordable scalability. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu May 20 11:46:58 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:46:58 -0500 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BF54903.4030202@fourthworld.com> References: <4BF54903.4030202@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4BF55972.2060205@hyperactivesw.com> Richard Gaskin wrote: > I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad > only if they could have complete assurances it would be available > EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. Kevin offered to do exactly that, and was still refused. It's in his blog post. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jerry.daniels at me.com Thu May 20 11:55:27 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:55:27 -0500 Subject: Rodeo: 2 questions In-Reply-To: References: <4F66C286-5F91-4262-806F-6806615C1E09@me.com> Message-ID: <2A568659-C049-4670-9A25-CA2D8685D1CC@me.com> I've worked on several projects with massive numbers of simultaneous users and hits against data. Did this for Nortel, a broadband wireless company and another small telecom. The trick is to know where to scale the hardware and where to put the data and where to put the logic. Look at it in four tiers: 1. Client machine/software (rev client, let's say) 2. Web server (apache, of course) 3. Web application server (assume revServer CGIs) 4. Data (whatever you like...i prefer to roll my own, but to each his/ her own) The cheapest, most scalable and fastest performing are all the same solution: 1. Client: thin 2. Web server: thin, but round-robin'd the IP addresses to 1 of the 13 app servers 3. Web app server: hefty, almost fat 4. Data: thin and agnostic (NO stored procedures) At Nortel, we had 13 app servers. Cheap high-performance Dells. $2000 each. We had ONE database server (SQL server). Most of the code (logic) was on the app server. We had 30 thousand users logging their hours against 50 thousand projects. We had 5000 simultaneous users ever Friday afternoon. We did have a chron job that ran each night to populate the app server with highly indexed data for project look up. The whole thing ran on a browser. Today I would have used a Rev client app, but I would have kept it very thin. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 20, 2010, at 10:38 AM, David Bovill wrote: > On 20 May 2010 14:27, Jerry Daniels wrote: > >> Of course it's still early days, but we are very serious about >> having a >> scaleable backend service. >> >> Since one of us is in Australia, we also want geographic coverage. >> Every >> day this sector of our industry gets better. >> >> Massively shared servers? No. Deals for dedicated servers? Yes. >> >> We want this to be a premium service focused on performance. It >> will not be >> free. We are not taking on VC for this. There are no ads to support >> it. It >> will be fee supported. >> > > Thanks for the info Jerry - very clear. Please keep us posted with > details > on your plans for backend scaleability using On-Rev. I'll keep > investigating > using cloud databases for this as i project I am working on needs it > - and I > can;t see how I would use On-Rev to deliver easy and affordable > scalability. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Thu May 20 11:57:19 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:57:19 -0300 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BF55972.2060205@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BF54903.4030202@fourthworld.com> <4BF55972.2060205@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: now, when RevMobile runs on the future android devices, we'll take over the world and jobs will fired from apple and found a company called NeXTAgaIN just to ship some products called NextPad Turbo NextPhoneCube and be bought by Apple when His Steveness will be again CEO, rinse, repeat On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:46 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: > > I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only >> if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for >> iPhone OS. >> > > Kevin offered to do exactly that, and was still refused. It's in his blog > post. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu May 20 12:08:47 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 17:08:47 +0100 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BF55972.2060205@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BF54903.4030202@fourthworld.com> <4BF55972.2060205@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On 20 May 2010 16:46, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: > > I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only >> if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for >> iPhone OS. >> > > Kevin offered to do exactly that, and was still refused. It's in his blog > post. > Yes he did - and I don't agree it is about exclusivity - it is about not being locked into the lower common denominator. It is about the apps being better on the iPad than they are on anything else - and the danger is that the opposite would happen over time - as it has before with Apple based software. This still leaves space for open environments though - as an open environment would not be outside of Apples control in the same way. There may be other ways? From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu May 20 12:09:26 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 17:09:26 +0100 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: References: <4BF54903.4030202@fourthworld.com> <4BF55972.2060205@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On 20 May 2010 16:57, Andre Garzia wrote: > now, when RevMobile runs on the future android devices, we'll take over the > world and jobs will fired from apple and found a company called NeXTAgaIN > just to ship some products called NextPad Turbo NextPhoneCube and be bought > by Apple when His Steveness will be again CEO, rinse, repeat > Can you put that in revTalk? From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu May 20 12:25:27 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 17:25:27 +0100 Subject: Rodeo: 2 questions In-Reply-To: <2A568659-C049-4670-9A25-CA2D8685D1CC@me.com> References: <4F66C286-5F91-4262-806F-6806615C1E09@me.com> <2A568659-C049-4670-9A25-CA2D8685D1CC@me.com> Message-ID: On 20 May 2010 16:55, Jerry Daniels wrote: > The cheapest, most scalable and fastest performing are all the same > solution: > > 1. Client: thin > 2. Web server: thin, but round-robin'd the IP addresses to 1 of the 13 app > servers > 3. Web app server: hefty, almost fat > 4. Data: thin and agnostic (NO stored procedures) > Hi Jerry this is not the sort of scalability that is needed for some interesting classes of apps. First it is very expensive in terms of set up, and then admin. By very expensive I mean more than $1,000. It is the transition between - "give the idea a go" and "wow it's taken off" that I'm interested in addressing. If you can get the costs down on that you can do some interesting things. At the progression from basic hosting to the set up you describe is a big expensive jump. Also it does not scale massively for bursts on unpredictable demand. One application I've been asked to get my head around may have up to 1 million concurrent users or it may flop - a pay as you go service like Amazon or Google App engine helps you cope with that. In the world of webApps, I think we can also consider other scenarios: 1. AJAX embeds / Flash / revLet plugins for blogs, webApps on mobiles 2. Client side processing and web service based data => no need for 2) 3. Cloud based DB such as Google AppEngine or Amazon SimpleDB (effectively combines 3 and 4) People buy the apps, come to a separate web site where they can create customised embeds for their blogs or social networks. They can buy or subscribe and this covers the cost of the Cloud DB as it scales From andre at andregarzia.com Thu May 20 12:49:57 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:49:57 -0300 Subject: Rodeo: 2 questions In-Reply-To: References: <4F66C286-5F91-4262-806F-6806615C1E09@me.com> <2A568659-C049-4670-9A25-CA2D8685D1CC@me.com> Message-ID: David, I don't think you'll reach problems of scalability that easily. Twitter and Facebook have scalability issues, you'll probably be fine for months before reaching scaling issues even if you're really successful. Don't think a single server with a single database is no good for your needs. Can you tell me what is the biggest demand you think of for your product because I tend to believe that you'll do just fine with a simple setup. You need massive access and stuff to approach the limits of mySQL or PostgreSQL. Apache is very robust as well and I don't think you'll reach its limit. You're probably safe on On-Rev or Rodeo or whatever is invented soon. Andre On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:25 PM, David Bovill wrote: > On 20 May 2010 16:55, Jerry Daniels wrote: > > > The cheapest, most scalable and fastest performing are all the same > > solution: > > > > 1. Client: thin > > 2. Web server: thin, but round-robin'd the IP addresses to 1 of the 13 > app > > servers > > 3. Web app server: hefty, almost fat > > 4. Data: thin and agnostic (NO stored procedures) > > > > Hi Jerry this is not the sort of scalability that is needed for some > interesting classes of apps. First it is very expensive in terms of set up, > and then admin. By very expensive I mean more than $1,000. > > It is the transition between - "give the idea a go" and "wow it's taken > off" > that I'm interested in addressing. If you can get the costs down on that > you > can do some interesting things. At the progression from basic hosting to > the > set up you describe is a big expensive jump. Also it does not scale > massively for bursts on unpredictable demand. One application I've been > asked to get my head around may have up to 1 million concurrent users or it > may flop - a pay as you go service like Amazon or Google App engine helps > you cope with that. > > In the world of webApps, I think we can also consider other scenarios: > > > 1. AJAX embeds / Flash / revLet plugins for blogs, webApps on mobiles > 2. Client side processing and web service based data => no need for 2) > 3. Cloud based DB such as Google AppEngine or Amazon SimpleDB > (effectively combines 3 and 4) > > People buy the apps, come to a separate web site where they can create > customised embeds for their blogs or social networks. They can buy or > subscribe and this covers the cost of the Cloud DB as it scales > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 20 13:08:54 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:08:54 -0700 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad Message-ID: <4BF56CA6.6020801@fourthworld.com> David Bovill wrote: > On 20 May 2010 16:46, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only >>> if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for >>> iPhone OS. >>> >> >> Kevin offered to do exactly that, and was still refused. It's in his blog >> post. What Kevin wrote there is: In order to support our active and growing revMobile customer base, we submitted an in-depth proposal to Apple that we create an iPhone-only product that uses native Cocoa objects, supports 100% of their API, works perfectly with multitasking and battery life, but uses a variant of the revTalk language to use these objects and APIs, and then translates those into native code. So I see where his pitch was for an iPhone-specific version of the engine, but in my reading it's unclear whether that necessarily precludes making a similar engine for other platforms. Blowing off the other 83.9% of the mobile market (Apple says they have only 16.1%) just to appease His Steveness would have been suicidal, so if that was the intent we can all be glad the proposal was rejected. The beauty of the Rev engine is that it liberates us from the whims of any single OS vendor. OSes come and go, but if it stays true to its mandate there will always be Rev. > Yes he did - and I don't agree it is about exclusivity - it is about not > being locked into the lower common denominator. It is about the apps being > better on the iPad than they are on anything else - and the danger is that > the opposite would happen over time - as it has before with Apple based > software. Whether it's apps or app features, the goal is the same: exclusivity for iPhone OS. Steve seems worried that Apple can't deliver an unquestionably superior experience on their own, and can only differentiate itself from other mobile offerings by arbitrarily raising development costs high enough that developers will have to choose between his mobile OS and the rest of the world. Big gamble. After all, it's not like the rest of the desktop OSes don't have overlapping windows, and it's not like other mobile OSes don't have accelerometers, GPS, and multitouch. If Steve can't come up with compelling differentiators, it's not Kevin's or any developer's fault. Yet its developers who are being asked to pay the price for Apple's need to differentiate: either double your development costs with two code bases, or lower your revenue by deploying only to iPhone OS. There is indeed a radical revolution afoot, but not of the sort the lay press is enamored of with their talk of The End of The Computer with some sort of replacement being more specialized devices like iPad. The real revolution is the ever-increasing commoditization of operating systems. There, I said it. Operating systems are becoming ever more similar to one another, and there's nothing any of them can do to slow that down. It's as natural, pervasive, and unstoppable as the migration from AppleTalk to TCP/IP. If this makes Steve uneasy he's missing the point of what Apple does: Apple's OS X isn't the only OS with deeply integrated search, or the only one with good multitasking, or even the only one with the strength of having Unix at its core. What Apple brings to the table is that they make BOTH the OS and the hardware, and therefore have an unmatched harmony between the two. I think that's worth paying for. Indeed, I'm typing this on a Mac. If Steve thinks he needs to push hard on developers to differentiate Apple products, he's missing the point. There are less expensive ways to communicate the value Apple delivers than forcing developers to move to Android. Hopefully he'll find a way to communicate that, and lighten up a bit on developers. In the meantime I'm happily writing my single-code-base apps for Mac, Win, and Linux, and look forward to Android, Maemo, WinMobile, and anyone else who joins the Rev revolution. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From psahores at free.fr Thu May 20 13:25:32 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:25:32 +0200 Subject: Rodeo: 2 questions In-Reply-To: References: <4F66C286-5F91-4262-806F-6806615C1E09@me.com> <2A568659-C049-4670-9A25-CA2D8685D1CC@me.com> Message-ID: <3FB2964D-4F2A-47F8-B761-8AB61B44DA96@free.fr> Years ago, i did test an XServe G4 running a Sybase ASE 12.5 and went able to get 1500 web served requests / secs without any server's stress at all. And as anyone should know, OS X Server is lots less responsive than Linux or BSD. 2 cents, Best, Pierre Le 20 mai 2010 ? 18:49, Andre Garzia a ?crit : > David, > > I don't think you'll reach problems of scalability that easily. Twitter and > Facebook have scalability issues, you'll probably be fine for months before > reaching scaling issues even if you're really successful. > > Don't think a single server with a single database is no good for your > needs. Can you tell me what is the biggest demand you think of for your > product because I tend to believe that you'll do just fine with a simple > setup. > > You need massive access and stuff to approach the limits of mySQL or > PostgreSQL. Apache is very robust as well and I don't think you'll reach its > limit. > > You're probably safe on On-Rev or Rodeo or whatever is invented soon. > > Andre > > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:25 PM, David Bovill wrote: > >> On 20 May 2010 16:55, Jerry Daniels wrote: >> >>> The cheapest, most scalable and fastest performing are all the same >>> solution: >>> >>> 1. Client: thin >>> 2. Web server: thin, but round-robin'd the IP addresses to 1 of the 13 >> app >>> servers >>> 3. Web app server: hefty, almost fat >>> 4. Data: thin and agnostic (NO stored procedures) >>> >> >> Hi Jerry this is not the sort of scalability that is needed for some >> interesting classes of apps. First it is very expensive in terms of set up, >> and then admin. By very expensive I mean more than $1,000. >> >> It is the transition between - "give the idea a go" and "wow it's taken >> off" >> that I'm interested in addressing. If you can get the costs down on that >> you >> can do some interesting things. At the progression from basic hosting to >> the >> set up you describe is a big expensive jump. Also it does not scale >> massively for bursts on unpredictable demand. One application I've been >> asked to get my head around may have up to 1 million concurrent users or it >> may flop - a pay as you go service like Amazon or Google App engine helps >> you cope with that. >> >> In the world of webApps, I think we can also consider other scenarios: >> >> >> 1. AJAX embeds / Flash / revLet plugins for blogs, webApps on mobiles >> 2. Client side processing and web service based data => no need for 2) >> 3. Cloud based DB such as Google AppEngine or Amazon SimpleDB >> (effectively combines 3 and 4) >> >> People buy the apps, come to a separate web site where they can create >> customised embeds for their blogs or social networks. They can buy or >> subscribe and this covers the cost of the Cloud DB as it scales >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From bobs at twft.com Thu May 20 13:35:37 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:35:37 -0700 Subject: Cloud computing: scalable DB In-Reply-To: References: <544C92B4-9528-416E-BFDB-4BC4A4E1B36D@twft.com> Message-ID: heh heh. The SQL would practically kill you, and we need you programming in Rev these days. Bob On May 19, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > oh and this is to the Brazilian public, I don't think we send anything > overseas... it is mostly promotions and ads for big shops and companies in > here... > > now, if you think I am sending you email, you can send me your email and I > will search the 55 Million email database to check if you're in any of them. > :-D > From bobs at twft.com Thu May 20 13:40:19 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:40:19 -0700 Subject: gigapan In-Reply-To: <479005.43933.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <479005.43933.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <180257CA-A581-4144-A8E3-D8D9BCCA544E@twft.com> looks like the last 2 zooms are beyond actual resolution, kind of like those cameras that have actual zoom and "electronic" zoom. Bob On May 19, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Michael Kann wrote: > The ability to zoom in on this image is amazing. > > http://gigapan.org/gigapans/15374/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Thu May 20 13:46:24 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:46:24 -0700 Subject: gigapan In-Reply-To: <5BD5D4BF-3756-4EDF-8375-DB55BADC502F@numericable.com> References: <479005.43933.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <5BD5D4BF-3756-4EDF-8375-DB55BADC502F@numericable.com> Message-ID: Much nicer! Bob On May 19, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Yes... But that ! > http://www.paris-26-gigapixels.com/index-en.html From bobs at twft.com Thu May 20 13:53:14 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 10:53:14 -0700 Subject: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio? In-Reply-To: <4BF45148.8040408@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BF41C31.70806@fourthworld.com> <4CDF3D01-E3A8-4C72-95AF-354576F64C67@cruzio.com> <4BF45148.8040408@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <18B2BE51-A350-43B6-8E41-C495559DD392@twft.com> On Windows, you make something executable by putting .exe at the end. Of course, if it's not a real executable, nothing will happen, and if it is a real executable, and you don't put .exe at the end, it won't execute. This actually makes it a simple matter to send someone what looks like a jpg file, but with .exe at the end, and because Windows is hiding known extensions by default, (I know you can change that) you can trick a user into double clicking it and executing malicious code. Not so simple for a unix/linux based system. If the executable bit is in the file itself, Rev for Windows should be able to set it, but if it's some hidden system file somewhere, like an acl, then there is no real way to do it methinks. Bob On May 19, 2010, at 1:59 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Mark Swindell wrote: >> Quite the conundrum. Thanks for the explanation. New motto: Write >> once, wrestle lots, and deploy on multiple platforms. > > To be fair, it's easy and as advertised to build on all platforms from any OS, with this one exception of building for OS X from Windows. You can't really blame Rev for not being able to support something that Windows isn't capable of doing. Windows is completely unaware of any unix-based permissions. Going the other direction -- building on other platforms for Windows deployment -- works fine and as expected. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Thu May 20 14:00:25 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 11:00:25 -0700 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BF54903.4030202@fourthworld.com> References: <4BF54903.4030202@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: RunRev's recent proposed approach would have forced RevMobile to be iPhone/iPad only. That isn't the issue. Bob On May 20, 2010, at 7:36 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. > > Someone may do it, but given that Apple recently cited their mobile market share at only 16.1% it ain't gonna be anyone I know. From andre at andregarzia.com Thu May 20 14:06:20 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:06:20 -0300 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BF56CA6.6020801@fourthworld.com> References: <4BF56CA6.6020801@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: > > Apple's OS X isn't the only OS with deeply integrated search, or the only > one with good multitasking, or even the only one with the strength of having > Unix at its core. > > No the best OS in terms of integrated search, multitasking and having some unix features at its core is Haiku. Nothing beats BFS queries. -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 20 14:19:26 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 11:19:26 -0700 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!) In-Reply-To: <28CED4EA-1EC7-4FBE-8F68-3F6621DA211A@aol.com> References: <28CED4EA-1EC7-4FBE-8F68-3F6621DA211A@aol.com> Message-ID: Again I stress that if we try to put too much 'stuff' into this library (read: special effects) that it will distract from getting a solid foundation for us to build on. Rather than insisting on the inclusion of arbitrary, possibly lower-quality reverbs and time stretchers, I would rather see an ability to *use plugins of at least one type from the beginning* to narrow the focus of what really had to be made to get us "on the air" with better, cross-platform audio control in general. Midi is really a separate issue - and has anyone made a Quicktime Midi external? Is there 'more in there' that can be grokked out for both platforms? Trevor? Remember once one gets into the realm of special effects libraries; the good ones are going to cost money to license. Ultimately, there's no free lunch here. This stuff has all been done before and researched, it is not trivial coding. Using plugins would open up a much larger world for Rev as an AV builder (along with video enhancements in another project ). We wouldn't need the timeline feature right away either -- and I disagree with the other poster about their being no need for better metering as I propose: *f18 A metering object that deals with real time display of peak levels for x channels* All that is available for level metering currently is the recordLevel property, which has to be constantly polled while displaying in some kind of progress control. It serves no purpose but to show that 'something is happening' (which has been the basic concern of video guys for 60 years). It is not useful for setting levels, does not show stereo levels, and is not available when not in record (which is exactly the time when one needs it). Another use for the meter input would be as a ONE-BIT input -- easily accomplished with a simple noise source and contact closure. But I digress, except to say there's a lot more that can be accomplished here besides munging audio. All this 'stuff' would be also useful for* higher speed data collection*, something that Rev could be really good at. It would be fast - more than enough to detect accurate taps. I would humbly suggest that RTAS be the standard for plugins - many inexpensive one-man shops are turning out impressive plugs and selling for 0 to 200 dollars and in most cases are cross-platform. VST could be added later. I don't know if audio units would be worth it, unless the rich interface of the plugins can be shown. I've seen a lot of problems in that area. We need primitives for the Audio Object first. Fud for thought On 20 May 2010 07:52, Fred Moyer wrote: > I've been following this thread and am very excited about the possibility > of more audio functionality from within Rev. I am continually in need for > these kinds of tools (mostly audio but also midi.) Here's my wishlist: > > - Play a sound file at a different speeds without changing pitch, while > maintaining good sound quality. Some time shift apps sound pretty poor. > There is a program called the Amazing Slow Downer which I think does a good > job. > - Fade ins/out. At present if all you need to do is fade from one song to > another, two rev players works fine. But the splices I need to do are > between two versions of the exact same place in the same song. I've been > trying to do it with 2 rev players and there is usually a little bauble at > the splice point. (Aside: I think I have a better "formula" for fades than > the n // 100-n formula -- if anyone is interested, contact me.) One problem > I'm experiencing is that when I play the same fade over and over, it sounds > slightly different each time, telling me that "set the currentime of player > x" is probably just not rock-solid enough for what I'm doing. So what would > be great is a fading/splicing feature that is rock-solid and is a lot finer > than 600 units per second. > - With one stack I'm working on, I need to "tap" to the music to record the > timing of the notes. This is classical music that often includes lots of > fast notes. I've tried using the mouse or keyboard to do this, but the > resulting data is inexact. (I think the computer is doing other tasks at the > same time and doesn't give these mouseclicks or keydowns top priority.) > Maybe what I need is some kind of midi input (I gather that is one of the > great things about midi -- that it doesn't matter if the computer is > downloading emails or looking for bluetooth devices -- it is going to record > the time of those midi events perfectly.) But if midi features are added, it > would be great if the user doesn't need to hook up a midi keyboard to > record; for what I need to do, just the computer keyboard and mouse should > be sufficient. > - EQ, reverb, limiters/compressors would be great, and a way to add 3rd > party plugins for those wanting higher quality. > > Thanks. > Fred > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From jerry.daniels at me.com Thu May 20 14:20:31 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:20:31 -0500 Subject: Rodeo: 2 questions In-Reply-To: References: <4F66C286-5F91-4262-806F-6806615C1E09@me.com> <2A568659-C049-4670-9A25-CA2D8685D1CC@me.com> Message-ID: <2F70F7D8-C6DB-4BF9-99E9-59441687E785@me.com> I think you miss understand what I'm saying or your experiences don't match my own. What I suggest is not expensive and is, in effect, what most n-tier architected solutions do. I learned from a couple guys who invented data access via a stateless browser. But what do they know? You might be surprised by what's going on under the covers of Amazon, Google and the other commodity services. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 20, 2010, at 11:25 AM, David Bovill wrote: > On 20 May 2010 16:55, Jerry Daniels wrote: > >> The cheapest, most scalable and fastest performing are all the same >> solution: >> >> 1. Client: thin >> 2. Web server: thin, but round-robin'd the IP addresses to 1 of the 13 app >> servers >> 3. Web app server: hefty, almost fat >> 4. Data: thin and agnostic (NO stored procedures) >> > > Hi Jerry this is not the sort of scalability that is needed for some > interesting classes of apps. First it is very expensive in terms of set up, > and then admin. By very expensive I mean more than $1,000. > > It is the transition between - "give the idea a go" and "wow it's taken off" > that I'm interested in addressing. If you can get the costs down on that you > can do some interesting things. At the progression from basic hosting to the > set up you describe is a big expensive jump. Also it does not scale > massively for bursts on unpredictable demand. One application I've been > asked to get my head around may have up to 1 million concurrent users or it > may flop - a pay as you go service like Amazon or Google App engine helps > you cope with that. > > In the world of webApps, I think we can also consider other scenarios: > > > 1. AJAX embeds / Flash / revLet plugins for blogs, webApps on mobiles > 2. Client side processing and web service based data => no need for 2) > 3. Cloud based DB such as Google AppEngine or Amazon SimpleDB > (effectively combines 3 and 4) > > People buy the apps, come to a separate web site where they can create > customised embeds for their blogs or social networks. They can buy or > subscribe and this covers the cost of the Cloud DB as it scales > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jerry.daniels at me.com Thu May 20 14:21:23 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:21:23 -0500 Subject: Rodeo: 2 questions In-Reply-To: References: <4F66C286-5F91-4262-806F-6806615C1E09@me.com> <2A568659-C049-4670-9A25-CA2D8685D1CC@me.com> Message-ID: <9B689159-0652-4F38-B4EE-A7D98F66BCBD@me.com> Absolutely. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 20, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > You're probably safe on On-Rev or Rodeo or whatever is invented soon From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu May 20 14:39:46 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:39:46 -0500 Subject: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio? In-Reply-To: <1274340691817-2224030.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1274340691817-2224030.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BF581F2.9040302@hyperactivesw.com> Peter Alcibiades wrote: > Dioes the Finder have the ability to get and set properties, ie permissions? > The usual thing to do in Linux, very similar base, would be to tell the user > to right click in a file manager, ie in the Mac case the Finder, get > properties, and change the permissions to executable. You wouldn't normally > need to ask them to do that in the terminal. Haven't used Macs for quite a > while, so maybe it doesn't work like this. The Finder can set user permissions for the user, group, and everyone. But it doesn't have an interface for the executable bit, that has to be done in Terminal. Perhaps Apple didn't think the executable bit should be messed with by the peons -- probably wise, considering the computer savvy of the general population. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jrosat at mac.com Thu May 20 14:44:48 2010 From: jrosat at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Rosat?=) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 20:44:48 +0200 Subject: How to create a self-contained custom control In-Reply-To: References: <8FA72D49-96AA-47E8-B7AD-6CC24A37FABA@mac.com> <6B4BC03F-9759-4316-91E0-D3DA6FF6B16A@mac.com> Message-ID: <64A2124C-FB8F-4720-AD0E-C4F7473494B3@mac.com> Thank you David for the precision. J?r?me Le 19 mai 2010 ? 21:47, David Bovill a ?crit : > The whole point of a behavior is that it works for multiple objects (in your > case a group) and acts a bit like a library for that group - so you can copy > and paste the group where you want and all the copies will point to and use > the same behavior script. If you want to put the script inside the group and > don't mind having multiple copies of the script for each groupd you copy - > then you can - basically don;t use a behavior and just put the behavior > script in the groups script. There is no way to have both. > > On 19 May 2010 20:33, J?r?me Rosat wrote: > >> Stephen, >> >> Thank you for the suggestion. I tried. But it doesn't work as I wish it. >> >> J?r?me >> >> Le 18 mai 2010 ? 23:38, stephen barncard a ?crit : >> >>> Nested Groups? >>> >>> On 18 May 2010 13:36, J?r?me Rosat wrote: >>> >>>> I created a custom control. I set the behavior of the group (the custom >>>> control) to a button script (I want no script in the group). >>>> >>>> If I copy the custom control in a new stack, i need to copy the button >>>> script too, or the stack that contains the button script as a substack >> of a >>>> new stack. >>>> >>>> How to make a self-contained custom control that I can simply copy and >> past >>>> where I want ? I tried to put the button script inside the group, but it >>>> doesn't work. If I copy the custom control in a new card, the behavior >> of >>>> the group still point to the "previous" card. >>>> >>>> Any idea ? Thank you for your help. >>>> >>>> J?r?me >>>> Gen?ve_______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------- >>> Stephen Barncard >>> Back home in SF >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu May 20 14:48:05 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:48:05 -0500 Subject: Playing wav sound file in Linux in background? In-Reply-To: <77A90664-0D8E-45CF-AD13-29F741B32A4E@mac.com> References: <77A90664-0D8E-45CF-AD13-29F741B32A4E@mac.com> Message-ID: <4BF583E5.8090700@hyperactivesw.com> John Patten wrote: > Here's what i have: > > put the effective filename of current stack into theTargetPath > set the itemDel to "/" > delete last item of theTargetPath > delete first item of theTargetPath > put "/" & theTargetPath & "/recordings/" into theRecordingTarget > > convert the date && the long time to seconds > put it into tFileNameRec > put tFileNameRec into cd fld "audioFileName" > > send "mouseUp" to btn "Stop Recording" in 10 secs > put "arecord -d 10 -fu8 -t wav" into tShellCmd > put shell(tschellCmd&&theRecordingTarget&FilenameRec) > > This works fine when I'm in the editor (saves to the "recordings" folder), >but when I create a standalone the standalone saves the audio file as >"student" in the location of the directory that I select to build the standalone. I'm not sure what the "student" file name is all about, but when creating your file path, don't remove the first item. Only remove or append to the end of the path. That's assuming you want the Recordings folder in the same folder with the standalone: put the effective filename of current stack into theTargetPath set the itemDel to "/" put "recordings/" into last item of theTargetPath Then make sure there really is a folder named "recordings" in the target directory. If not, create it. Otherwise it won't work. When running a standalone, the defaultfolder is the one containing the standalone, and all files will be created there unless directed somewhere else by a fully qualified file path. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu May 20 14:57:03 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:57:03 +0100 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: References: <4BF54903.4030202@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: I agree with Bob here Richard. On 20 May 2010 19:00, Bob Sneidar wrote: > RunRev's recent proposed approach would have forced RevMobile to be > iPhone/iPad only. That isn't the issue. > It is not exclusivity that is being asked for. It does not matter that Rev was offered for one platform or many. It does not matter that the same game are developed for iPhone and other platforms - exclusivity is not at all the issue. The issue is control. Control to ensure that the lockin does not migrate to any software platform that is offering pan-platform middleware - whether that be Adobe or RunRev. The fear is that cross platform development incentivises prioritising the lowest common development, and the largest installed user base - which by most accounts will soon be Android. Apple thinks it has an edge by competing on the basis of design quality and constant innovation in the hardware and OS - which it needs to trickle down to developers. If a tool maker does not implement the latest features fast enough then the cutting edge products are dragged down waiting for the tool makers to implement features, which they are only motivated to do when the market is big enough. So the fear, which is justified IMO, is in lock-in to proprietary middle ware that Apple does not and cannot control. The question I am asking is are there not other ways to square the circle - and would open source be one of those ways? If it were then you might expect some of those iPhone platforms that export modifiable / open source code to be accepted some time soon. Are there other ways in which a HyperCard like app can be created which does not involve lock-in out side of Apples control? From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 20 15:02:05 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:02:05 -0700 Subject: How to create a self-contained custom control Message-ID: <4BF5872D.7070202@fourthworld.com> J?r?me Rosat wrote: > I created a custom control. I set the behavior of the group > (the custom control) to a button script (I want no script in > the group). > > If I copy the custom control in a new stack, i need to copy > the button script too, or the stack that contains the button > script as a substack of a new stack. > > How to make a self-contained custom control that I can simply > copy and past where I want ? I tried to put the button script > inside the group, but it doesn't work. If I copy the custom > control in a new card, the behavior of the group still point > to the "previous" card. If this control is something you might want to use elsewhere, it may be worth taking a few seconds to create a new stack to hold the button with the behavior script. That way you can use that stack with any project you need, and the behavior will always resolve correctly. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 20 15:10:41 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BF56CA6.6020801@fourthworld.com> References: <4BF56CA6.6020801@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1274382641083-2225138.post@n4.nabble.com> Yes, mostly agree with this. The link quotes earlier says: "I was working at Apple when this process happened, and I can tell you that it was searing. Apple had invested countless hours and dollars marketing those products as prominent reasons to buy Macs, and then we saw that investment turned against us when the apps were made available on Windows." You see the mentality - and I say this as a former Mac user, sometimes accused of being a Mac Fanatic in the day. The problem is they are under this fatal illusion that what you do is invent a must have app, keep it to your platform, and then force people who do not want your platform on its merits, to buy it so as to get your must have apps. What you then find is this tension between app and platform. Filemaker, for instance, says that we could sell a ton of this if we can do a Windows version. The hardware people probably say today, we could sell a ton more hardware if only we could put Windows on it. The OS people say that they could sell a whole bunch more if only they could allow it to run on third party hardware. Someplace in Cupertino there is Politbureau sayinging no, life is as it was in 1985.... Alas, it is not. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/HyperCard-for-the-iPad-tp2224439p2225138.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 20 15:11:10 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:11:10 -0700 Subject: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio? In-Reply-To: <4BF581F2.9040302@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1274340691817-2224030.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BF581F2.9040302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Jacque: By "done in the terminal" does that mean it can't be done by shell() ? On 20 May 2010 11:39, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Peter Alcibiades wrote: > >> Dioes the Finder have the ability to get and set properties, ie >> permissions? The usual thing to do in Linux, very similar base, would be to >> tell the user >> to right click in a file manager, ie in the Mac case the Finder, get >> properties, and change the permissions to executable. You wouldn't >> normally >> need to ask them to do that in the terminal. Haven't used Macs for quite >> a >> while, so maybe it doesn't work like this. >> > > The Finder can set user permissions for the user, group, and everyone. But > it doesn't have an interface for the executable bit, that has to be done in > Terminal. Perhaps Apple didn't think the executable bit should be messed > with by the peons -- probably wise, considering the computer savvy of the > general population. > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu May 20 15:13:08 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 20:13:08 +0100 Subject: Rodeo: 2 questions In-Reply-To: <9B689159-0652-4F38-B4EE-A7D98F66BCBD@me.com> References: <4F66C286-5F91-4262-806F-6806615C1E09@me.com> <2A568659-C049-4670-9A25-CA2D8685D1CC@me.com> <9B689159-0652-4F38-B4EE-A7D98F66BCBD@me.com> Message-ID: On 20 May 2010 19:21, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Absolutely. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: > http://rodeoapps.com > > On May 20, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > > > You're probably safe on On-Rev or Rodeo or whatever is invented soon > Ok. Still would be good to get some detail. As far as I can tell at the moment Rodeo is: 1. offered on a standard On-Rev hosting package. 2. but it is on a dedicated server 3. it will be possible to arrange further traditional load balancing and add extra servers as demand requires 4. that we can expect such an infrastructure to cope with several thousand users at a time, but probably not hundreds of thousands of concurrent users. It would be interesting to know the details because having a clear migration path that On-Rev users can plan for is a particular issue - because it is not quite so straight forwards to migrate an On_Rev application to other hosting - though hopefully the revServer package will make this easier. In terms of cost, the point I am making is that you get good capacity for free for instance with Amazon SimpleDB, and you don;t have to do anything to scale it - just pay for the actual usage. N-tier requires a hundred if not thousands of pounds up front. Also if you need to plan for many hundreds of thousands of concurrent users - then again something like SimpleDB or the equivalent becomes an interesting option. These options were not available to developers until very recently. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu May 20 15:16:41 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:16:41 +0300 Subject: Reading an old Hypercard document #1 Message-ID: <4BF58A99.6000607@gmail.com> 0306857AHC2.3GS.PDF "the soundChannel determines the channel on which the next sound will be generated." Funnily enough Runrev claims to be Hypercard's natural successor; but . . . Ok, Ok, Ok; I can't crack marrowbones with my teeth like some of my Neanderthal forefathers. However; I would not describe Hypercard as 'primitive'; a word I might be inclined to use about Neanderthal hunter-gatherers. "-------------------------------------------------- set [the] soundChannel to /integerValue/ --------------------------------------------------- set soundChannel to value(the soundChannel) + 1 --------------------------------------------------- if the soundChannel = 1 then play theTune --------------------------------------------------- integerValue resolves to a whole number in the range 1 through 8. ThesoundChannelproperty is the channel through which sound is played. The sound must have been generated by theplaycommand. Theplay command operates on the current sound channel. By immediately switching channels and playing new sounds, several sounds can be played nearly simultaneously. " Unfortunately I cannot get Hypercard to spin off a standalone to play "Oh, Why are we waiting?" on QT instruments that will run on any reasonably contemporary operating system . . . . :) From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu May 20 15:17:37 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:17:37 -0500 Subject: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio? In-Reply-To: References: <1274340691817-2224030.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BF581F2.9040302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BF58AD1.5060309@hyperactivesw.com> stephen barncard wrote: > Jacque: By "done in the terminal" does that mean it can't be done by shell() > ? Oh no, you can do anything in shell that you can do in Terminal. "Done in Terminal" is my personal, all-inclusive term for the command line. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 20 15:18:28 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:18:28 -0700 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad Message-ID: <4BF58B04.5030105@fourthworld.com> David Bovill wrote: > I agree with Bob here Richard. > > On 20 May 2010 19:00, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> RunRev's recent proposed approach would have forced RevMobile to be >> iPhone/iPad only. That isn't the issue. >> > > It is not exclusivity that is being asked for. It does not matter that Rev > was offered for one platform or many. It does not matter that the same game > are developed for iPhone and other platforms - exclusivity is not at all the > issue. The issue is control. Control to ensure that the lockin does not > migrate to any software platform that is offering pan-platform middleware - > whether that be Adobe or RunRev. > > The fear is that cross platform development incentivises prioritising the > lowest common development, and the largest installed user base - which by > most accounts will soon be Android. Apple thinks it has an edge by competing > on the basis of design quality and constant innovation in the hardware and > OS - which it needs to trickle down to developers. If a tool maker does not > implement the latest features fast enough then the cutting edge products are > dragged down waiting for the tool makers to implement features, which they > are only motivated to do when the market is big enough. > > So the fear, which is justified IMO, is in lock-in to proprietary middle > ware that Apple does not and cannot control. It seems this post got lost in the shuffle: Not every app needs coverflow. What most of the world needs is well supported by most OSes. That's what we do here with Rev: make a lot of people happy delivering the features they need, regardless which OS they use. And that's what we'll be doing with mobile OSes too. I agree it's unfortunate that Steve is locking iPhone customers out of the thousands of vertical-market apps that the rest of the world will enjoy, but if Kevin can't convince him to play ball I don't imagine I could either. Steve is free to be Steve, and I'm free to choose profitable deployment options. ;) I'll step out on a limb to predict that within three years Steve will get over himself and lighten up on this unprecedented restriction. But I'll go further to suggest that by then it'll be too late to help him. > The question I am asking is are there not other ways to square the circle - > and would open source be one of those ways? If it were then you might expect > some of those iPhone platforms that export modifiable / open source code to > be accepted some time soon. Are there other ways in which a HyperCard like > app can be created which does not involve lock-in out side of Apples control? Sure: deploy to Android. :) On iPhone OS, apparently you're allowed to use runtime-interpreted instructions only if you name your app "Bento", "Numbers", or "GameSalad". -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu May 20 15:24:01 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:24:01 +0300 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <1274382641083-2225138.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4BF56CA6.6020801@fourthworld.com> <1274382641083-2225138.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BF58C51.2090309@gmail.com> On 20/05/2010 22:10, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > > Someplace in Cupertino there is Politbureau sayinging no, life is as it was > in 1985.... Alas, it is not. > No, it isn't 1985; but in North Korea it is somewhere round about 1950; in China it is a real case of mixed calendars, and in Venezuela they are trying "Back to the future". The fact that this happens in socking great companies as well does not surprise me in the slightest. They shot Stalin and Beria; only to replace him with Khruschev; who, while looking plausible was the man who supervised the slave labourers (political dissidents) building the Moscow Metro, and used to whip his pistol out and shoot people who flagged. Hitler saved somebody the bother; the West had a jolly show trial and shot a lot of totalitarian types; but let Spain go on its foul way under Franco until he died. So; as Apple seems very much a top-down sort of organisation, replacing Steve Jobs would only mean finding another of the same. From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Thu May 20 15:27:27 2010 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:27:27 +0200 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BF58B04.5030105@fourthworld.com> References: <4BF58B04.5030105@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Be fair, these are not *general purpose* interpreters. There are many calculator apps, if you want to go this way. > > On iPhone OS, apparently you're allowed to use runtime-interpreted instructions only if you name your app "Bento", "Numbers", or "GameSalad". > From jerry.daniels at me.com Thu May 20 15:37:44 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:37:44 -0500 Subject: Rodeo: 2 questions In-Reply-To: References: <4F66C286-5F91-4262-806F-6806615C1E09@me.com> <2A568659-C049-4670-9A25-CA2D8685D1CC@me.com> <9B689159-0652-4F38-B4EE-A7D98F66BCBD@me.com> Message-ID: David, Not sure if there was a Rodeo question or something in there, but I will try to clarify, etc. Rodeo is not a hosting package. We host your LIST code and translate it into iPad web app pages. You don't get an ftp addess or anything like that, so, no it's not a standard On-Rev package. I have mentioned On-Rev, etc because we like the technology and recommend it. We are also using it for Rodeo at this very moment, and we are in discussion with Kevin to throw more resources at it for our users, based on demand, of course. I'm not sure I understand what you're going for here. You do or don't have a gazillion users and you need or don't need a beefy server solution. You're heard: If you build it they will come? There's a better one: If they come, you'll be able to build it. Money. It's about the money. Get some money and you can do whatever you want. There's some great stuff out there. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 20, 2010, at 2:13 PM, David Bovill wrote: > On 20 May 2010 19:21, Jerry Daniels wrote: > >> Absolutely. >> >> Best, >> >> Jerry Daniels >> >> Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: >> http://rodeoapps.com >> >> On May 20, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Andre Garzia >> wrote: >> >>> You're probably safe on On-Rev or Rodeo or whatever is invented soon >> > > Ok. Still would be good to get some detail. As far as I can tell at > the > moment Rodeo is: > > 1. offered on a standard On-Rev hosting package. > 2. but it is on a dedicated server > 3. it will be possible to arrange further traditional load > balancing and > add extra servers as demand requires > 4. that we can expect such an infrastructure to cope with several > thousand users at a time, but probably not hundreds of thousands of > concurrent users. > > It would be interesting to know the details because having a clear > migration > path that On-Rev users can plan for is a particular issue - because > it is > not quite so straight forwards to migrate an On_Rev application to > other > hosting - though hopefully the revServer package will make this > easier. > > In terms of cost, the point I am making is that you get good > capacity for > free for instance with Amazon SimpleDB, and you don;t have to do > anything to > scale it - just pay for the actual usage. N-tier requires a hundred > if not > thousands of pounds up front. Also if you need to plan for many > hundreds of > thousands of concurrent users - then again something like SimpleDB > or the > equivalent becomes an interesting option. These options were not > available > to developers until very recently. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 20 15:49:03 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:49:03 -0700 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad Message-ID: <4BF5922F.6070603@fourthworld.com> Fran?ois Chaplais wrote: > Be fair, these are not *general purpose* interpreters. There are > many calculator apps, if you want to go this way. >> >> On iPhone OS, apparently you're allowed to use runtime-interpreted >> instructions only if you name your app "Bento", "Numbers", or >> "GameSalad". True, and if SDK 4 had specifically excluded only Turing-complete languages these exceptions would be more easily understood. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu May 20 15:37:57 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 20:37:57 +0100 Subject: revLet: what url am I? Message-ID: Playing with a revLet: put the revletParams of this stack into someArray > combine someArray with CR and tab > put $HTTP_HOST & CR & CR & someArray into someText > answer someText > But I am not getting anything for $HTTP_HOST.... it looks like that global is not supported. This is what I get for "the globals": gRevAppIcon > gRevSmallAppIcon > $JAVA_JVM_VERSION > $XRE_BINARY_PATH > $XUL_APP_FILE > $NO_EM_RESTART > $XRE_IMPORT_PROFILES > $XRE_START_OFFLINE > $XRE_PROFILE_NAME > $XRE_PROFILE_LOCAL_PATH > $XRE_PROFILE_PATH > $MOZ_LAUNCHED_CHILD > $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_STRINGS_OVERRIDE > $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_DATA_DIRECTORY > $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_2 > $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_1 > $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_0 > $COMMAND_MODE > $SECURITYSESSIONID > $Apple_PubSub_Socket_Render > $SSH_AUTH_SOCK > $DISPLAY > $LOGNAME > $USER > $HOME > $SHELL > $TMPDIR > $PATH > $# > Can't see anything that is going to give the url of the actual revLet - $HOME and $PATH give the same thing - a realtive path on the server! From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu May 20 16:05:24 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:05:24 +0100 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BF55972.2060205@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BF54903.4030202@fourthworld.com> <4BF55972.2060205@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <5B297689-CEEA-4BEC-AA2F-FEF70C53BE8F@azurevision.co.uk> On 20 May 2010, at 16:46, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/ >> iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be >> available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. > > Kevin offered to do exactly that, and was still refused. It's in his > blog post. Important distinction - Runrev offered to do a *dev environment* that would build exclusively for the iPhone/iPad. At no point has Runrev (to my knowledge) offered to build something equivalent to Hypercard *ON* the iPad. Probably because it would immediately fall foul of 'no interpreted code' and would be a end-user product in the first place. At the moment the only way I can see a Hypercard equivalent on the iPad would be if it then used Webkit as a VM, so in effect it's output would be HTML/JS/CSS. Which would then make it rather hard to transfer stacks to other people. Jerry's eventual plan for an iPad front-end to edit Rodeo apps online is about the closest I've heard of from anyone, on this list or anywhere else. Ian From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu May 20 16:18:00 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:18:00 +0100 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BF56CA6.6020801@fourthworld.com> References: <4BF56CA6.6020801@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <893B5B41-6ADE-4CA1-B4D7-C1523C26488B@azurevision.co.uk> On 20 May 2010, at 18:08, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Blowing off the other 83.9% of the mobile market (Apple says they > have only 16.1%) just to appease His Steveness would have been > suicidal, so if that was the intent we can all be glad the proposal > was rejected. 16% of the market that make up half the mobile web traffic and (at least back in January) an estimated 97% of all mobile app sales. http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/19/apples-app-store-said-to-have-99-4-percent-of-all-mobile-app-sa/ I've not managed to find estimates that are more recent, but that's a scary ratio for anyone hoping to make money from Android apps as an alternative to the iPhone/iPad. :-( Ian From andrew at rjdfarm.com Thu May 20 16:22:43 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Strange behavior in the IDE In-Reply-To: <831AECA1-5EDC-4345-B499-2C394E94C3CC@jhj.com> References: <1274317844412-2223808.post@n4.nabble.com> <831AECA1-5EDC-4345-B499-2C394E94C3CC@jhj.com> Message-ID: <1274386963662-2225248.post@n4.nabble.com> Very good advice. Thank you. I was cooking pancakes on a piece of tin foil when I started this thing. Now I have a non-stick griddle. Or at least a griddle (better practices) and real butter (this list). My IDE behaves fine after starting a new project. And alot of the later code I wrote was very good, and would not necessarily need to be rewritten. I think my weekend all-nighter project is going to be re-writing the rest. Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Strange-behavior-in-the-IDE-tp2223808p2225248.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu May 20 16:23:01 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:23:01 +0200 Subject: revLet: what url am I? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, Have a look at this http://qurl.tk/av -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 20 mei 2010, at 21:37, David Bovill wrote: > Playing with a revLet: > > put the revletParams of this stack into someArray >> combine someArray with CR and tab >> put $HTTP_HOST & CR & CR & someArray into someText >> answer someText >> > > But I am not getting anything for $HTTP_HOST.... it looks like that > global > is not supported. This is what I get for "the globals": > > gRevAppIcon >> gRevSmallAppIcon >> $JAVA_JVM_VERSION >> $XRE_BINARY_PATH >> $XUL_APP_FILE >> $NO_EM_RESTART >> $XRE_IMPORT_PROFILES >> $XRE_START_OFFLINE >> $XRE_PROFILE_NAME >> $XRE_PROFILE_LOCAL_PATH >> $XRE_PROFILE_PATH >> $MOZ_LAUNCHED_CHILD >> $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_STRINGS_OVERRIDE >> $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_DATA_DIRECTORY >> $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_2 >> $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_1 >> $MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_0 >> $COMMAND_MODE >> $SECURITYSESSIONID >> $Apple_PubSub_Socket_Render >> $SSH_AUTH_SOCK >> $DISPLAY >> $LOGNAME >> $USER >> $HOME >> $SHELL >> $TMPDIR >> $PATH >> $# >> > > Can't see anything that is going to give the url of the actual > revLet - > $HOME and $PATH give the same thing - a realtive path on the server! From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu May 20 16:35:38 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:35:38 +0100 Subject: revLet: fetching a url Message-ID: This really should work - what am I doing wrong? on mouseUp > if the optionkey is "Down" then > put "Hello World!" into fld 1 > else > put url "http://www.google.com" into fld 1 > end if > end mouseUp > I create a simple stack with one button and the above script and one field. It works fine on the desktop. The application settings for the revLet include the internet library and the network access in security settings. But no go??? The stack can be found here: go to stack url "http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/Test.rev" and the revLet here: http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu May 20 16:39:31 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:39:31 +0100 Subject: revLet: what url am I? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Mark - I'm wandering if I should file access to the more usual Apache environment globals as a feature request? On 20 May 2010 21:23, Mark Schonewille wrote: > David, > > Have a look at this http://qurl.tk/av > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu May 20 16:42:53 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:42:53 +0200 Subject: revLet: what url am I? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, I don't think so, because a revlet runs locally, not on the server. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 20 mei 2010, at 22:39, David Bovill wrote: > Thanks Mark - I'm wandering if I should file access to the more > usual Apache > environment globals as a feature request? From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu May 20 16:45:50 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:45:50 +0100 Subject: revLet: what url am I? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So does HTML :) On 20 May 2010 21:42, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi David, > > I don't think so, because a revlet runs locally, not on the server. > Anyway it is useful. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu May 20 16:52:29 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:52:29 -0700 Subject: Rodeo: 2 questions In-Reply-To: References: <4F66C286-5F91-4262-806F-6806615C1E09@me.com> <2A568659-C049-4670-9A25-CA2D8685D1CC@me.com> Message-ID: <105-1146585187.20100520135229@ahsoftware.net> Andre- Thursday, May 20, 2010, 9:49:57 AM, you wrote: > David, > I don't think you'll reach problems of scalability that easily. Twitter and > Facebook have scalability issues, you'll probably be fine for months before > reaching scaling issues even if you're really successful. Twitter, Digg, Reddit, etc are indeed reaching the scalability limits of their databases, and are moving into the NOSQL world of Cassandra, Hadoop, CouchDB... but you need to up at the level of shoveling around petabytes of data before you need to start dealing with those issues. And dealing with NOSQL databases means you need to know your data formats and how you're going to be using them before you start, because once you slice and denormalize your data into various storage compartments you lose things like the ability to do adhoc searching. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu May 20 17:01:24 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:01:24 +0100 Subject: Cloud databases and scalability (was Rodeo: 2 questions) Message-ID: On 20 May 2010 21:52, Mark Wieder wrote: > > Twitter, Digg, Reddit, etc are indeed reaching the scalability limits > of their databases, and are moving into the NOSQL world of Cassandra, > Hadoop, CouchDB... but you need to up at the level of shoveling around > petabytes of data before you need to start dealing with those issues. > And dealing with NOSQL databases means you need to know your data > formats and how you're going to be using them before you start, > because once you slice and denormalize your data into various storage > compartments you lose things like the ability to do adhoc searching. > Thanks for the input Mark - terabytes of data is not likely, and would also be expensive. The biggest real world problem is lots of concurrent users. For a live event - for instance something that would be promoted on TV, you might get a lot of users in one go - then nothing. Amazon SimpleDB seems an interesting way to cope with one off high capacity surges like this at very low cost (as long as the data fields are small). Can anyone advise on how you would do a stress test to replicate say 100,000 concurrent users - are their tool kits or a company perhaps that is set up to do that sort of thing? From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 20 17:02:12 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:02:12 -0700 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad Message-ID: <4BF5A354.2070303@fourthworld.com> Ian Wood wrote: > On 20 May 2010, at 18:08, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> Blowing off the other 83.9% of the mobile market (Apple says they >> have only 16.1%) just to appease His Steveness would have been >> suicidal, so if that was the intent we can all be glad the proposal >> was rejected. > > 16% of the market that make up half the mobile web traffic and (at > least back in January) an estimated 97% of all mobile app sales. > > http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/19/apples-app-store-said-to-have-99-4-percent-of-all-mobile-app-sa/ > > I've not managed to find estimates that are more recent, but that's a > scary ratio for anyone hoping to make money from Android apps as an > alternative to the iPhone/iPad. :-( The night is young. :) That same Gartner report also notes: 82% of downloads will be free apps this year Other Gartner reports: Gartner: Android outsold iPhone in the US Android to overtake iPhone in 2012 - analyst Symbian still on top, but BlackBerry down That said, if there's a case to be made that RunRev is on a fool's errand chasing the mobile market and should instead focus on their desktop product, I wouldn't be disappointed. Most of my own mobile plans revolve around JavaScript, and aside from the top 100 apps in Apple's AppStore my desktop apps make far more than the other 200,000 iPhone apps out there, as I noted here on the 4th: Computers will be around for a while. In fact, a desktop computer is listed as one of the system requirements for the iPad. This new emerging mobile market offers many worthwhile opportunities to compliment deployment across many different computing devices. So much change is in the air I wouldn't bet the farm on any one device from any one manufacturer. The night is young.... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu May 20 17:13:05 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:13:05 -0700 Subject: [OT] Speaking of Android, Google, and Owning The World... Message-ID: "Microsoft and Apple have been trying to get into your living room for years, with a variety of television-oriented products. Now Google thinks it can succeed where other computer companies have seen only middling success. The company?announced a new set-top box platform here Thursday: Google TV will marry television and the web, so users can search and view both TV and web videos with a single click." Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From devin_asay at byu.edu Thu May 20 17:14:13 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:14:13 -0600 Subject: revLet: fetching a url In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, David Bovill wrote: > This really should work - what am I doing wrong? > > on mouseUp >> if the optionkey is "Down" then >> put "Hello World!" into fld 1 >> else >> put url "http://www.google.com" into fld 1 >> end if >> end mouseUp >> > > I create a simple stack with one button and the above script and one field. > It works fine on the desktop. The application settings for the revLet > include the internet library and the network access in security settings. > But no go??? > > The stack can be found here: > > go to stack url "http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/Test.rev" > > and the revLet here: > > http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html David, In the standalone settings Web tab, did you check the Network box? I believe that in order to access urls outside of your own domain the user has to grant permission. HTH Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu May 20 17:14:57 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 23:14:57 +0200 Subject: revLet: what url am I? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, HTML is indeed rendered locally, which is why you can't use server environment veriables in HTML. If you want to parse environment variables, you need to use PHP, ASP, Perl or irev for instance. Moreover, the environment variables that are listed by the globals function are set locally, not by the server. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 20 mei 2010, at 22:45, David Bovill wrote: > So does HTML :) > > On 20 May 2010 21:42, Mark Schonewille >wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> I don't think so, because a revlet runs locally, not on the server. >> > > Anyway it is useful. From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu May 20 17:22:00 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:22:00 +0100 Subject: revLet: fetching a url In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes - network permissions are on, and the Internet Library selected OSX 10.6.3 go to stack url "http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/Test.rev" > and the revLet here: http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html > On 20 May 2010 22:14, Devin Asay wrote: > > On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, David Bovill wrote: > > > This really should work - what am I doing wrong? > > > > on mouseUp > >> if the optionkey is "Down" then > >> put "Hello World!" into fld 1 > >> else > >> put url "http://www.google.com" into fld 1 > >> end if > >> end mouseUp > >> > > > > I create a simple stack with one button and the above script and one > field. > > It works fine on the desktop. The application settings for the revLet > > include the internet library and the network access in security settings. > > But no go??? > > > > The stack can be found here: > > > > go to stack url "http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/Test.rev" > > > > and the revLet here: > > > > http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html > > David, > > In the standalone settings Web tab, did you check the Network box? I > believe that in order to access urls outside of your own domain the user has > to grant permission. > > HTH > Devin > > > Devin Asay > Humanities Technology and Research Support Center > Brigham Young University > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu May 20 17:24:17 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:24:17 +0100 Subject: revLet: what url am I? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 20 May 2010 22:14, Mark Schonewille wrote: HTML is indeed rendered locally, which is why you can't use server > environment veriables in HTML. > Hi I was sort of joking - but really you have HTTP headers like HTTP referrer - so that the browser can tell where the hell the HTML came from - similarly revTalk will sometmes need to know the url the original stack came from. From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu May 20 17:25:41 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:25:41 +0100 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <4BF5A354.2070303@fourthworld.com> References: <4BF5A354.2070303@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On 20 May 2010, at 22:02, Richard Gaskin wrote: > The night is young. :) Definitely. Interesting times ahead. :-) Ian From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Thu May 20 17:29:33 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reading an old Hypercard document #1 In-Reply-To: <4BF58A99.6000607@gmail.com> References: <4BF58A99.6000607@gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't think it used QT instruments. They had some funny system in which they had a sound sample and then did some sort of pitch-bending to generate all the tonal values for that particular "instrument" (which I think was confined to flute, harsichord and boing). Judy On Thu, 20 May 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Unfortunately I cannot get Hypercard to spin off a standalone to play > "Oh, Why are we waiting?" on QT instruments that will run on any > reasonably contemporary operating system . . . . :) From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Thu May 20 17:47:27 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:47:27 -0700 Subject: [OT] Speaking of Android, Google, and Owning The World... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > "Microsoft and Apple have been trying to get into your living > room for years, with a variety of television-oriented products. > > Now Google thinks it can succeed where other computer > companies have seen only middling success. The company? > announced a new set-top box platform here > Thursday: Google TV will marry television and the web, so > users can search and view both TV and web videos with a single click." > > > My Favorite Quote: ?If Google didn?t act, we face a draconian future. One man, one company, one device would control our future,? Gundotra told attendees at the conference, making a clear swipe at Apple ? without mentioning Apple by name. ?If you believe in openness and choice, welcome to Android.? Something else of interest is that there are either just arriving or forthcoming Android devices that include HDMI. Now what's also interesting about HDMI is that the forthcoming 1.4 spec also includes support for ethernet traffic. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com Mirye Community NING http://miryesoftware.ning.com From david at architex.tv Thu May 20 17:50:28 2010 From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:50:28 +0100 Subject: revLet: dynamic resizing when browser window resizes Message-ID: Created a stack with the geometry manager so that the field resizes. Uploaded it as a revLet and modified the HTML so that the width and height are 80% instead of fixed numbers: height=80%> > > > > > src="Test.revlet" > width=80% height=80% > stack="Test" > requestedName="" > instanceID="" > > > > It resizes nicely - but it does not load nicely. Any ideas how to fix the loading so it resizes to the appropriate size? You can see the revLet here: http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Thu May 20 18:34:27 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:34:27 -0700 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <893B5B41-6ADE-4CA1-B4D7-C1523C26488B@azurevision.co.uk> References: <4BF56CA6.6020801@fourthworld.com> <893B5B41-6ADE-4CA1-B4D7-C1523C26488B@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: > http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/19/apples-app-store-said-to-ha > ve-99-4-percent-of-all-mobile-app-sa/ > > I've not managed to find estimates that are more recent, but > that's a scary ratio for anyone hoping to make money from > Android apps as an alternative to the iPhone/iPad. :-( Still seems room for bogus assumptions here. I havent had a conversation yet with iPhone users who also buy stuff (there are plenty who simply do not buy anything) that hasn't included them lamenting all the useless crap available on the App Store. There are also, I believe a lot of "apps" which are basically a type of reader for web content, like CNN Mobile - at best something that would be a desktop widget. Im sure all the staff picks and even some actual best sellers are quite good, but I don't believe they represent the bulk of what's available. The more I hear about 200K+ apps, the more I think its 99% limited value and 1% gems (and I have to admit, Ive seen some cool apps the the iPhone). I suspect there will be a crap value on Android, and its possible a large portion of their current 50K+ apps are crap too. But I think someone needs to put a pin in value expectation party hog of 200K apps (or 50K+ apps for that matter). A sort of comparision - I have worked closely with eGames in the past. eGames is the biggest value games producer in the US, based on titles - the biggest supplier of "rack jobs". You can buy a disk pack of their stuff for $10 and get something like 500 casual games. I am certain the number of titles they produce entirely dwarfs the likes of Apple and Microsoft. But those numbers do not mean eGames as a software company represents greater value in the software market than Apple or Microsoft. Were I to deploy on Android, I don't think Id be focusing on how many crap apps I can push out there. Instead, Id produce a few apps that have great singular value and uniqueness that I can then market over the hundreds of crap apps that are out there. Think about interesting IP like "Plants vs Zombies" or Spore, where you are selling sizzle. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 20 18:41:50 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:41:50 -0700 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!) In-Reply-To: References: <28CED4EA-1EC7-4FBE-8F68-3F6621DA211A@aol.com> Message-ID: Surfing, I found this just now: http://www.un4seen.com/ It looks like it's exactly what we've been talking about. Is it real? sqb On 20 May 2010 11:19, stephen barncard wrote: > Again I stress that if we try to put too much 'stuff' into this library > (read: special effects) that it will distract from getting a solid > foundation for us to build on. Rather than insisting on the inclusion of > arbitrary, possibly lower-quality reverbs and time stretchers, I would > From jerry.daniels at me.com Thu May 20 19:24:31 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 18:24:31 -0500 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad Message-ID: <3F84C807-9A6F-4019-9A14-180E7E999019@me.com> Ian, Not surprisingly, I happen to agree with you. I would go so far as to say Rodeo is what people like the original HyperCard team would have done today. Thanks to the kick starters and a modest upsurge in tRev purchases, we have made enough progress on Rodeo to get something in people's hand sooner than we originally thought. We now have a desktop app for the Mac that formats our new LIST code, and sends it to the Rodeo server where it's quickly made into simple (for now) web pages that look great on the iPad. The Mac editor also has a nice preview pane so you can see the fruits of your labor as you code. And don't forget, you can edit your code on the iPad as well as on your Mac. At this point, the iPad is much better suited for tweaking Rodeo apps. I have to say that the LIST scripts are super simple to write, as the iPad target has narrowed the task at hand. We're having fun with this. As exciting as the technology is, I'm even more excited by the career value this will have for thousands of educators, custom developers and even small teams or classes of developers. We are headed for simple, mobile cloud-based development AND deployment for the rest of us. Since the Rodeo team is situated on opposite sides of the globe, we're building in development/test environments and code check-in/out from the get-go. Lone developers, teams and class rooms alike are going to love going to the Rodeo! Rodeo developers who want to share or distribute their apps are all set with several nice options via the web, email, Twitter and some SMS systems. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 20, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Ian Wood wrote: > Jerry's eventual plan for an iPad front-end to edit Rodeo apps online is about the closest I've heard of from anyone, on this list or anywhere else. From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu May 20 21:01:36 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 18:01:36 -0700 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <3F84C807-9A6F-4019-9A14-180E7E999019@me.com> Message-ID: Recently, Jerry Daniels wrote: > We now have a desktop app for the Mac that formats our new LIST code, and > sends it to the Rodeo server where it's quickly made into simple (for now) web > pages that look great on the iPad. The Mac editor also has a nice preview pane > so you can see the fruits of your labor as you code. Maybe I misunderstood some information I read somewhere (not sure if it was a post or one of your videos) but I thought you mentioned something about final iPad apps being delivered as binaries (executables). Is this your (eventual) plan or did I imagine this and Rodeo apps will operate as Web pages? Thanks for the clarification -- after seeing a number of posts here, I think this would be useful for other folks to know besides myself, who suffers from memory loss. Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From jerry.daniels at me.com Thu May 20 21:25:17 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 20:25:17 -0500 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52421002-8050-4551-BDC4-F319DF52A0C8@me.com> Hey, Scott! Happy to clarify. Gods willing, we will eventually have an app in the app store that is essentially a browser shell that runs Rodeo web apps. We can then roll anyone else's web pages into an app for them for submission to the app store. Apps with open-ended, unpredictable content are not well received by the app store police, however...so it might have to be an app-app, if you follow me. Clearer? Short term, we're not trying to boil the ocean with our efforts. We just want to get people coding in Rodeo as quickly as we can, even if it's only to create simple apps. Thus my current emphasis on using the web browser on the iPad to deliver Rodeo apps. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 20, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Jerry Daniels wrote: > >> We now have a desktop app for the Mac that formats our new LIST code, and >> sends it to the Rodeo server where it's quickly made into simple (for now) web >> pages that look great on the iPad. The Mac editor also has a nice preview pane >> so you can see the fruits of your labor as you code. > > Maybe I misunderstood some information I read somewhere (not sure if it was > a post or one of your videos) but I thought you mentioned something about > final iPad apps being delivered as binaries (executables). Is this your > (eventual) plan or did I imagine this and Rodeo apps will operate as Web > pages? > > Thanks for the clarification -- after seeing a number of posts here, I think > this would be useful for other folks to know besides myself, who suffers > from memory loss. > > Best Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From briany at qldlearning.com Fri May 21 01:35:04 2010 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:35:04 -0700 Subject: Google NativeClient / Rev In-Reply-To: <52421002-8050-4551-BDC4-F319DF52A0C8@me.com> References: <52421002-8050-4551-BDC4-F319DF52A0C8@me.com> Message-ID: Another interesting deployment option on the horizon: http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/MarkDeLoura/20100519/5195/Google_IO_2010__Native_Client_Unity__Chrome_Web_Store.php In a nutshell, this allows you to write C / C++ code to run in Chrome without any plugin. For those of us who don't code from scratch in C/C++, that means dev tools like RunRev could run natively inside the browser -- no more browser plugin needed. Rev would stand to gain a lot from this if Chrome can get its installed base up... From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 21 05:10:47 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 02:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <3F84C807-9A6F-4019-9A14-180E7E999019@me.com> References: <3F84C807-9A6F-4019-9A14-180E7E999019@me.com> Message-ID: <1274433047544-2225850.post@n4.nabble.com> It may be an excessively pessimistic point of view, but one doubts you'll get away with it long term. The problem Apple has is that applications and content are merging. Sooner or later, to continue its present policies, it is going to have to move to censorship of what we now call content, but what you guys have made into applications. I don't know how they will do it, how they will avoid all the technical obstacles, but its clear they will either extend control from programming languages and applications to content, or watch the whole policy go up in smoke. They will give it their best shot, to control content. It will be messy, and it will get worse before it gets better. I also agree with Richard, they will change a few years from now, and by then it will be too late. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/HyperCard-for-the-iPad-tp2224439p2225850.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri May 21 05:26:29 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:26:29 +0300 Subject: MidiBuilder stack Message-ID: <4BF651C5.6060006@gmail.com> So, there I am sitting at the back of my classroom today while some kids sweat over a practise PET test. Start fiddling around with RunRev 2.2.1 on Linux and stumble upon the MidiBuilder stack in the Samples folder. I wonder why it isn't there with RunRev 4 ????? Lunchbreak: opened the MidiBuilder stack with RunRev 4.0 on the Mac; and . . . it works; it exports midi files; and, hey, yeah; why has there been all the recent correspondence about midi-sequencing when it is there for the taking already ???? From fabricemuller at me.com Fri May 21 05:48:46 2010 From: fabricemuller at me.com (Fabrice Muller) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:48:46 +0200 Subject: Dynamic screen during application execution ? Message-ID: <7AF66B70-666F-4986-B8E3-87A2556860DF@me.com> Hello, I'm thinking about a possibility of generating the screen during the execution of a program, depending the device where the application is running. Just few explanations : My stack has a card01 which contain every objects like buttons, fields and so with business code inside, a second card which is free of objects will be customized during the execution with the right screen size and a copy of every objects from card01 is done in this card with right placement on screen. With this solution, no more need to prepare an output screen for each kind of device like Iphone, android and so, it will be just generated during the execution and in the same time it will be possible to have 1 application for many different devices. I hope I'm clear .... My question !!! has someone already tried to implement this kind of solution ? Is it viable, is it quick enough and so ? Thanks very much for your feedback, Cheers, Fabrice *************************************************************** F.LA.M.A Fabrice Muller Phone : +41 (21) 652.18.10 - Fax : +41 (21) 652.18.24 fmuller.flama at gmail.com fabrice.muller at pobox.com - fabricemuller at me.com http://fmuller.posterous.com/ *************************************************************** From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Fri May 21 06:07:43 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:07:43 +0100 Subject: revLet: fetching a url In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Aha - it's a bug in dp3 (on OSX at least). Same stack works fine as a revLet in dp2. Bug report here: - http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8778 If someone could test saving it on other platforms (you can download the stack from the link below), and add to the bug report I'm sure it would help the RunRev team fix things faster - for now I'll go back to dp2. On 20 May 2010 22:22, David Bovill wrote: > Yes - network permissions are on, and the Internet Library selected OSX > 10.6.3 > > > go to stack url "http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/Test.rev" >> > > and the revLet here: > > http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html >> > > > On 20 May 2010 22:14, Devin Asay wrote: > >> >> On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, David Bovill wrote: >> >> > This really should work - what am I doing wrong? >> > >> > on mouseUp >> >> if the optionkey is "Down" then >> >> put "Hello World!" into fld 1 >> >> else >> >> put url "http://www.google.com" into fld 1 >> >> end if >> >> end mouseUp >> >> >> > >> > I create a simple stack with one button and the above script and one >> field. >> > It works fine on the desktop. The application settings for the revLet >> > include the internet library and the network access in security >> settings. >> > But no go??? >> > >> > The stack can be found here: >> > >> > go to stack url "http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/Test.rev" >> > >> > and the revLet here: >> > >> > http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html >> >> David, >> >> In the standalone settings Web tab, did you check the Network box? I >> believe that in order to access urls outside of your own domain the user has >> to grant permission. >> >> HTH >> Devin >> >> >> Devin Asay >> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center >> Brigham Young University >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Fri May 21 06:54:36 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:54:36 +0100 Subject: Dynamic screen during application execution ? In-Reply-To: <7AF66B70-666F-4986-B8E3-87A2556860DF@me.com> References: <7AF66B70-666F-4986-B8E3-87A2556860DF@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Fabrice, quick answer yes Revolution is plenty fast enough to do this sort of dynamic screen resizing based on the device. Here are a few tips: - Dynamic scaling or toggle to different presets? With the latter you can write script to simply take snapshots of their geometry and save them as a custom prop - Is it really any faster than creating distinct static interfaces? How generic are the components? - You may find that it is better to organise the project as stacks with views that can be resized using behaviors attached to groups. The main project stack would have your screen and the components would then be sub-stacks. Rev is fast enough to copy the components from one stack to another and redraw them for development. - When finished you can if needed remove the templates in the library substacks and keep the behaviors. Be happy to show you how it works with a screen cast, and interested to see what components you want as I've a few in my library that might serve as a starting point? On 21 May 2010 10:48, Fabrice Muller wrote: > Hello, > > I'm thinking about a possibility of generating the screen during the > execution of a program, depending > the device where the application is running. Just few explanations : > > My stack has a card01 which contain every objects like buttons, fields and > so with business code inside, > a second card which is free of objects will be customized during the > execution with the right screen size > and a copy of every objects from card01 is done in this card with right > placement on screen. > > With this solution, no more need to prepare an output screen for each kind > of device like Iphone, android and > so, it will be just generated during the execution and in the same time it > will be possible to have 1 application > for many different devices. > > I hope I'm clear .... My question !!! has someone already tried to > implement this kind of solution ? > Is it viable, is it quick enough and so ? > > Thanks very much for your feedback, > Cheers, Fabriceo subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From effendi at wanadoo.fr Fri May 21 07:55:01 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:55:01 +0200 Subject: Windows 7 Question Message-ID: Hi from Beautiful Brittany I develop my stacks on my Mac, but have a Splashstack.exe for running them on PC's. In order to find the systems disk (so I can build complete paths to my external files), I use the command if the platform = "Win32" then put line 1 of the volumes into field "PCDrive" and build the paths starting with field "PCDrive". Disk C (the usual systems disk) was always the first entry in the volumes list in Windows XP, etc.. In Windows 7, I now find "A" (the floppy diskette used if the user didn't want to boot from the hard drive). In the comments section of the Volumes section of the Rev Dictionary, I find : Disks which are physically installed or inserted into a disk drive, but are not currently mounted, do not appear in the list returned by the volumes function. If this is so, why does floppy disk A (inexistant) appear at the head of the Volumes list ? Second question - does the "platform" command return "Win32" for Windows 7 systems ? (I don't have a Windows 7 system available to test my stacks !) In the face of this problem, how can I pick up the systems disk ID in a Windows 7 system ? I am running Revolution 4.0.0 - Build 950 on an iMac OS 10.5.8 Many thanks for any pointers .... -Francis "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !" From effendi at wanadoo.fr Fri May 21 08:01:54 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:01:54 +0200 Subject: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio? Message-ID: <03772046-5CDA-4DE1-9630-2DBF52379336@wanadoo.fr> Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Steve King wrote > I know nothing at all of Macs.... Steve, my heart bleeds for you - ..... and you are so, so many ! But you are in the right forum to ask questions, and to find the true road to salvation ..... :>) -Francis From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri May 21 08:07:22 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 20:07:22 +0800 Subject: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Folks, I apologise, I post then depart for a couple of days and am unable to reply. I don't mean to be rude. Andre, Yes it's a plain tab delimited text file so I'll follow your link and give it a go. Thanks. On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 2:12 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > On-Rev is paying the fees to mySQL as a commercial venture, so the > licensing restrictions have been satisfied. You ARE paying for mySQL use > because you pay for On-Rev. > > Well this is interesting. As far as I can tell mySQL is just an option On-Rev offers, you are not charged more for using it, so what you are suggesting is that all the On-Rev users who don't use dbs, and those who use postgreSQL rather than mySQL are all subsidising the mySQL users. Seems to me then that the claims that non-profits can use these dbs for free are false. In fact it's probably worse than that, non-profits who don't even use dbs at all, like individuals/clubs who might have a simple web page, are subsidising commercial ventures that use mySQL. From rman at free.fr Fri May 21 08:12:22 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 05:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!) In-Reply-To: References: <1273837754183-2216458.post@n4.nabble.com> <294200BE42C74634B0ABC000C262F211@GATEWAY> <1274036961253-2218796.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274176446804-2221011.post@n4.nabble.com> <751181FE-8DA7-4BB0-A588-BF7E5A4E5D80@numericable.com> <26DAA15D3F43440EBA669B525A9F480F@GATEWAY> <28CED4EA-1EC7-4FBE-8F68-3F6621DA211A@aol.com> Message-ID: <1274443942622-2226055.post@n4.nabble.com> Thanks for sharing. Looks like important piece of news. Looks great!! Had a look at the apps that use it, and at the forum. Next step is to download and test. If that ever works fine on mac and windows, whouaou! That is indeed what we need. I'll look into it and dig the use of c libraries in runrev, which so far I have nicely avoided. First one with feedback creates the "BASS audio lib"? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/audio-Call-for-an-updated-enhanced-quicktime-audio-library-or-a-small-audio-complementary-library-tp2216458p2226055.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From davidocoker at gmail.com Fri May 21 08:48:37 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 07:48:37 -0500 Subject: Cloud computing: scalable DB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > In particular I am looking at using Amazon - either their > SimpleDB, > or their Relational Database > Service, > but maybe also Google equivalent services? Anyone tried these - I've only > used Amazon S3 for file storage to date? Hello folks, I just ran across this article this morning and thought it might be of value to this discussion: http://tiny.cc/53zzj ...and here is a link directly to the google resources: http://code.google.com/apis/storage/ Best regards, David C. From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri May 21 09:02:53 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 08:02:53 -0500 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad In-Reply-To: <1274433047544-2225850.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <3F84C807-9A6F-4019-9A14-180E7E999019@me.com> <1274433047544-2225850.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Peter, As regards your point of view, I agree. It may be an excessively pessimistic. Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 21, 2010, at 4:10 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > > It may be an excessively pessimistic point of view, but one doubts you'll get > away with it long term. The problem Apple has is that applications and > content are merging. Sooner or later, to continue its present policies, it > is going to have to move to censorship of what we now call content, but what > you guys have made into applications. I don't know how they will do it, how > they will avoid all the technical obstacles, but its clear they will either > extend control from programming languages and applications to content, or > watch the whole policy go up in smoke. > > They will give it their best shot, to control content. It will be messy, > and it will get worse before it gets better. > > I also agree with Richard, they will change a few years from now, and by > then it will be too late. > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/HyperCard-for-the-iPad-tp2224439p2225850.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jim at visitrieve.com Fri May 21 09:45:00 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 03:45:00 -1000 Subject: Passwords Message-ID: <000001caf8eb$cf9ee320$6edca960$@com> Hi All, I have quite a number of stacks whose password was set in probably Rev version 2.9.0 (and earlier) and edited in later versions of Rev up to 4.0.0 using passkeys. If I go to the message box in Rev 4.0.0 and type: set the password of stack "StackName" to empty I get: Message execution error: Error description: Stack: stack is password protected If I go back to Rev version 2.9.0 and do the same, it seems to go through, but the password is not removed from the stack. What is the trick to unsetting passwords and resetting them in Rev version 4.0.0? Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri May 21 10:05:00 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 07:05:00 -0700 Subject: Passwords Message-ID: <4BF6930C.70205@fourthworld.com> Jim Bufalini wrote: > I have quite a number of stacks whose password was set in probably Rev > version 2.9.0 (and earlier) and edited in later versions of Rev up to 4.0.0 > using passkeys. If I go to the message box in Rev 4.0.0 and type: > > set the password of stack "StackName" to empty > > I get: > > Message execution error: > Error description: Stack: stack is password protected > > If I go back to Rev version 2.9.0 and do the same, it seems to go through, > but the password is not removed from the stack. What is the trick to > unsetting passwords and resetting them in Rev version 4.0.0? You've probably already done this, but to be safe may I ask if you first set the passkey of the stack to the current password before attempting to change the password itself? I've encountered a few issues with the change to the more-secure method of password protection used in v4.0, but IIRC what you describe here should work as long as you have access to change the password, provided by first setting the passkey. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri May 21 10:31:26 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:31:26 -0500 Subject: HyperCard for the iPad Message-ID: <7BE2F9C1-A95F-4F5B-8B1E-5CF7CDE5D934@me.com> Been thinking about what inspired me more than anything to do the Rodeo project in the face of the Apple lock down and its psychological devastation. Here it is in one picture: http://jerrydaniels.com/brendans-action-formula Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com On May 21, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Peter, > > As regards your point of view, I agree. It may be an excessively pessimistic. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels From jim at visitrieve.com Fri May 21 10:39:26 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 04:39:26 -1000 Subject: Passwords In-Reply-To: <4BF6930C.70205@fourthworld.com> References: <4BF6930C.70205@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <000101caf8f3$6a4971e0$3edc55a0$@com> Richard, > You've probably already done this, but to be safe may I ask if you > first > set the passkey of the stack to the current password before attempting > to change the password itself? > > I've encountered a few issues with the change to the more-secure method > of password protection used in v4.0, but IIRC what you describe here > should work as long as you have access to change the password, provided > by first setting the passkey. No I didn't and of course that's the answer, otherwise you could just take a password protected stack and set its password to empty without knowing the password. ;-) What was throwing me off is the lock symbol still appeared in the Application Browser. So you have to set the passkey. Set the password to empty. Save the stack and then Refresh the Application Browser. Thanks Richard! Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From kkaufman at snet.net Fri May 21 11:12:51 2010 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 08:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MidiBuilder stack Message-ID: <778261.82971.qm@web81605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think the point is that probably to be very useful, a MIDI-based program should have ready access to an external MIDI device (keyboard, sequencer, etc.). It should be able to open up multiple channels so that one could record a new MIDI track whilst hearing previously-recorded MIDI tracks. I don't know whether the above is possible, given the (limited?) range of QT functions available to the Rev-based player object. Again, I'm not saying it isn't possible using Rev 4, but I haven't discovered how. I think that as far as inter-application or inter-device MIDI communication is concerned, we are still where we were back in 2004: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4978&start=0 and I believe we can access only a few of the settings of Core-MIDI through Applescript (and that would be Mac-only, in any case). So, have fun with MIDI-builder, and I'd be very interested in working with someone who might have ideas for extending the scope of the project as long as it's cross-platform based. Kurt PS/You might also be interested in some MIDI Rev stacks written by a Japanese(?) person, whose name I unfortunately cannot remember at the moment. Perhaps someone else can remember? From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Fri May 21 12:07:07 2010 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MidiBuilder stack In-Reply-To: <778261.82971.qm@web81605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <778261.82971.qm@web81605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kojima? Judy On Fri, 21 May 2010, Kurt Kaufman wrote: > PS/You might also be interested in some MIDI Rev stacks written by a Japanese(?) person, whose name I unfortunately cannot remember at the moment. Perhaps someone else can remember? From bobs at twft.com Fri May 21 12:45:56 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:45:56 -0700 Subject: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio? In-Reply-To: <4BF581F2.9040302@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1274340691817-2224030.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BF581F2.9040302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I believe in Leopard or Snow Leopard they support ACL's as well. Now if we can only get Apple to make their ACL's implicitly inherited as in Windows for the clients as well as the server software, we will be saying something! But that's another thread. Bob On May 20, 2010, at 11:39 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > The Finder can set user permissions for the user, group, and everyone. From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Fri May 21 12:49:08 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:49:08 -0700 Subject: Windows 7 Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: derocco at ix.netcom.com > From: Francis Nugent Dixon > > I develop my stacks on my Mac, but have a Splashstack.exe for running > them on PC's. > > In order to find the systems disk (so I can build complete paths to my > external files), I use the command > > if the platform = "Win32" then put line 1 of the volumes > into field "PCDrive" > > and build the paths starting with field "PCDrive". > > Disk C (the usual systems disk) was always the first entry in the > volumes list in Windows XP, etc.. > In Windows 7, I now find "A" (the floppy diskette used if the user > didn't want to boot from the hard drive). > > In the comments section of the Volumes section of the Rev Dictionary, > I find : > > Disks which are physically installed or inserted into a disk drive, > but are not currently mounted, do not appear in the list returned by > the volumes function. > > If this is so, why does floppy disk A (inexistant) appear at the head > of the Volumes list ? > > Second question - does the "platform" command return "Win32" for > Windows 7 systems ? > (I don't have a Windows 7 system available to test my stacks !) > > In the face of this problem, how can I pick up the systems disk ID in > a Windows 7 system ? > > I am running Revolution 4.0.0 - Build 950 on an iMac OS 10.5.8 > > Many thanks for any pointers .... There are various environment variables in Windows that you might use. Both "windir" and "SystemRoot" point to the Windows OS's directory, typically C:\WINDOWS. I don't recall if "SystemRoot" was there all along, but "windir" was there since the early days of Windows; indeed, it was spelled with lower case letters so that the DOS SET command couldn't manipulate it. There's also "ProgramFiles", which typically refers to "C:\Program Files". Not sure if it's possible to configure Windows to put this on a different drive from the OS, but some Googling might come up with some more info on this. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:p From bobs at twft.com Fri May 21 12:54:45 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:54:45 -0700 Subject: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <873BF90E-1A26-4ED6-B690-12FF2E715CE6@twft.com> I wouldn't look at it that way. You can get an all day ticket at Disneyland. You can ride all the rides, or just some of them, or none at all. You can't get a cheaper ticket if you promise not to ride some of the rides. It's kind of like that. I saw a great video of an English man trying to get the price down on a tooth extraction. He said that getting the cost down was of primary importance. After talking the dentist into not using an assistant, having no anesthetic, taking only 15 minutes as opposed to an hour, and making clear that the procedure would be excruciatingly painful this way, but after all low price was of paramount importance, he talked the dentist down from 1400 pounds to just 200! Once they had settled all that the man said, "Excellent! I will send my wife right over!" Bob On May 21, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > Well this is interesting. As far as I can tell mySQL is just an option > On-Rev offers, you are not charged more for using it, so what you are > suggesting is that all the On-Rev users who don't use dbs, and those who use > postgreSQL rather than mySQL are all subsidising the mySQL users. > > Seems to me then that the claims that non-profits can use these dbs for free > are false. In fact it's probably worse than that, non-profits who don't even > use dbs at all, like individuals/clubs who might have a simple web page, are > subsidising commercial ventures that use mySQL. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Fri May 21 13:25:12 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:25:12 +0200 Subject: MidiBuilder stack In-Reply-To: <778261.82971.qm@web81605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <778261.82971.qm@web81605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Kurt and Richmond, It is "makeSMF 1.3.3 : http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/tool.html Bons souvenirs de Paris Ren? Le 21 mai 2010 ? 17:12, Kurt Kaufman a ?crit : > I think the point is that probably to be very useful, a MIDI-based program should have ready access to an external MIDI device (keyboard, sequencer, etc.). It should be able to open up multiple channels so that one could record a new MIDI track whilst hearing previously-recorded MIDI tracks. I don't know whether the above is possible, given the (limited?) range of QT functions available to the Rev-based player object. > Again, I'm not saying it isn't possible using Rev 4, but I haven't discovered how. > > I think that as far as inter-application or inter-device MIDI communication is concerned, we are still where we were back in 2004: > > http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4978&start=0 > > and I believe we can access only a few of the settings of Core-MIDI through Applescript (and that would be Mac-only, in any case). > > So, have fun with MIDI-builder, and I'd be very interested in working with someone who might have ideas for extending the scope of the project as long as it's cross-platform based. > > Kurt > > PS/You might also be interested in some MIDI Rev stacks written by a Japanese(?) person, whose name I unfortunately cannot remember at the moment. Perhaps someone else can remember? > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From st.king42 at ntlworld.com Fri May 21 14:02:39 2010 From: st.king42 at ntlworld.com (Steve King) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:02:39 +0100 Subject: Windows 7 question In-Reply-To: <20100521170005.7AA5C288564@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100521170005.7AA5C288564@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <580A246B2CD242FC9556055E9E6115E0@Home> Hi Francis I have just checked the platform command on Win 7 and it returns Win32 on my machine (a 32 bit windows). There are of course many Win 64 machines around these days so I tried with a 64 bit laptop. It also reports Win32 Cheers Steve PS - you are right, sometimes I do dream of a Mac.... From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 21 15:19:01 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio? In-Reply-To: <4BF581F2.9040302@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1274340691817-2224030.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BF581F2.9040302@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1274469541444-2226589.post@n4.nabble.com> OK, then you have to write a shell script. Get the root password by asking for it on installation.. Then go out to shell and call a script which will switch user to root, give the password, then set the executable bit. I don't know OSX, but this should be pretty simple to do in any unix. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Creating-Mac-standalone-on-Windows-Studio-tp2223127p2226589.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri May 21 15:25:42 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 22:25:42 +0300 Subject: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev In-Reply-To: <873BF90E-1A26-4ED6-B690-12FF2E715CE6@twft.com> References: <873BF90E-1A26-4ED6-B690-12FF2E715CE6@twft.com> Message-ID: <4BF6DE36.1040205@gmail.com> On 21/05/2010 19:54, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I wouldn't look at it that way. You can get an all day ticket at Disneyland. You can ride all the rides, or just some of them, or none at all. You can't get a cheaper ticket if you promise not to ride some of the rides. It's kind of like that. > > I saw a great video of an English man trying to get the price down on a tooth extraction. He said that getting the cost down was of primary importance. After talking the dentist into not using an assistant, having no anesthetic, taking only 15 minutes as opposed to an hour, and making clear that the procedure would be excruciatingly painful this way, but after all low price was of paramount importance, he talked the dentist down from 1400 pounds to just 200! > > Once they had settled all that the man said, "Excellent! I will send my wife right over!" > > Bob > I did better than that in Carbondale, Illinois in 1995. I was due to have a root canal and they were going to charge me $2000 ( a sum I didn't have) and were unable to understand why I felt that was expensive ("it's cheap because the University dentistry is subsidised"). I told them there was absolutely no way I could pay that for a root canal and a crown; but if they could just kill the nerve and plug the hole my Father-in-law would do the rest in Bulgaria for nothing. Bless them; they killed the nerve and plugged the hole (and 2 weeks' later Tatko put in a post and a gold crown which is with me still - although, sadly he is not) and charged me nothing. I still don't have $2000; but I have bought a pair of pliers so my kids get the gold when I move on! And the lesson is: always let a Scotsman in a kilt who has connections in Bulgaria off the hook . . . :) From revolution at derbrill.de Fri May 21 15:49:13 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 21:49:13 +0200 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!) In-Reply-To: <20100519170005.3DA4D489006@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100519170005.3DA4D489006@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: BASS has been around quite a while. Started as a mod playing library (the stuff you could hear on your amigas and ataris back in the day). It would be a very good candidate, however, their licensing model might be in the way: [quote] BASS is free for non-commercial use. If you are a non-commercial entity (eg. an individual) and you are not charging for your product, and the product has no other commercial purpose, then you can use BASS in it for free. Otherwise, you will require one of the following licences. Shareware licence: ?100 The "shareware" licence allows the usage of BASS in an unlimited number of your shareware products, which must sell for no more than 40 Euros each. If you're an individual (not a corporation) making and selling your own software (and its price is within the limit), this is the licence for you. Single Commercial licence: ?950 The "single commercial" licence allows the usage of BASS in a single commercial product. Unlimited Commercial licence: ?2750 The "unlimited commercial" licence allows the usage of BASS in an unlimited number of your commercial products. This licence applies to a single site/location. note that all prices are quoted in Euros, but payment can also be made in several other currencies These licences are on a per-platform basis. There is a 40% reduction on each additional platform, eg. Win32 and OSX Shareware licences would cost ?160 instead of ?200. In all cases there are no royalties to pay and you can use future BASS updates without further cost. Reselling/sublicensing is not permitted. Your products must be end-user products, eg. not components used by other products. Please note that these licences only cover your own software, not the publishing of other's software. If you have got any questions, please get in touch. [/quote] All the best, Malte From erik at erikhansen.org Fri May 21 16:25:36 2010 From: erik at erikhansen.org (Erik Hansen) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Export an ASCII midi file from Rev? In-Reply-To: References: <20100519170005.3DA4D489006@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <874551.53756.qm@web1002.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Export an ASCII MIDI file from Rev? How about exporting an ASCII MIDI file that people can import with Band IN A Box or any other sequencer? Erik erikhans08 at yahoo.com http://youtube.com/profile_play_list?user=erikhans08 -- From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri May 21 16:54:24 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:54:24 -0700 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!) In-Reply-To: References: <20100519170005.3DA4D489006@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I saw no wrong on the licensing. I like their attitude, their pricing model. Pretty reasonable, even cheap, if one would ask me. Look, this stuff is used for professional applications, is not easy to write, and the authors deserve payment. And they are not charging royalties. How could one expect quality, free, and supported to be in the same product? Anybody we contract will want to be paid far more than this. The fee is graduated for different groups, hobbyist and demo, shareware author, pro. This stuff is used for the core of applications. We shouldn't assume that these guys won't make deals - they might be into creating actual externals for Rev at a very reasonable price - who knows until you try. Did anyone email these folks? On 21 May 2010 12:49, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > BASS has been around quite a while. Started as a mod playing library (the > stuff you could hear on your amigas and ataris back in the day). It would be > a very good candidate, however, their licensing model might be in the way: > > [quote] > BASS is free for non-commercial use. If you are a non-commercial entity > (eg. an individual) and you are not charging for your product, and the > product has no other commercial purpose, then you can use BASS in it for > free. Otherwise, you will require one of the following licences. > Shareware licence: ?100 > The "shareware" licence allows the usage of BASS in an unlimited number of > your shareware products, which must sell for no more than 40 Euros each. If > you're an individual (not a corporation) making and selling your own > software (and its price is within the limit), this is the licence for you. > Single Commercial licence: ?950 > The "single commercial" licence allows the usage of BASS in a single > commercial product. > > Unlimited Commercial licence: ?2750 > The "unlimited commercial" licence allows the usage of BASS in an unlimited > number of your commercial products. This licence applies to a single > site/location. note that all prices are quoted in Euros, but payment can > also be made in several other currencies These licences are on a > per-platform basis. There is a 40% reduction on each additional platform, > eg. Win32 and OSX Shareware licences would cost ?160 instead of ?200. In all > cases there are no royalties to pay and you can use future BASS updates > without further cost. Reselling/sublicensing is not permitted. Your products > must be end-user products, eg. not components used by other products. Please > note that these licences only cover your own software, not the publishing of > other's software. If you have got any questions, please get in touch. > [/quote] > > All the best, > > Malte_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From rjearp at hotmail.com Fri May 21 16:57:52 2010 From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:57:52 -0700 Subject: Setting file permissions on remote server Message-ID: I have an app that reads/writes from/to a data file on a remote server. So far there's only been one user of the app, but I wish to allow a number of users to use the app in different locations, which means I have to consider the case where more than one user wants to write to the file at the same time. I was thinking that setting the data file's permissions "read only" with the first user to open the file would be the easiest way to solve this, but can't seem to get that going. Maybe there is an easier way, or more probably I'm just being a dufus here ;-) In any event, does anybody have some words of wisdom/guidance, or better still a sample ? Many thanks, Bob... Bob Earp - White Rock, British Columbia, Canada _________________________________________________________________ 30 days of prizes: Hotmail makes your day easier! Enter Now. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9729710 From capellan2000 at gmail.com Fri May 21 17:22:12 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 17:22:12 -0400 Subject: Who is the author of codes.widged? Message-ID: Hi all, Who is the author of the website: http://codes.widged.com ??? Read this: http://codes.widged.com/node?page=1 and this: http://codes.widged.com/node/6 The following affirmation reads wrong, at least in my personal experience: codes.widged wrote: "If you frequent their forums for a few months, you will rapidly discover that their typical user is a person who has come to use runrev as exclusive development tool. As you try to get recognized and accepted, you are invited to give up everything else and count on runrev alone to bring you happiness and success." These are extraordinary claims, to say the least... When i started programming in this platform, nobody promised me happiness and success if "i give up everything else". Did anybody receive similar promises from Runrev as codes.widged??? Who is the author of the website: http://codes.widged.com ? Alejandro From bobs at twft.com Fri May 21 17:22:46 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:22:46 -0700 Subject: Setting file permissions on remote server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B5A713C-F810-4E9F-A7BE-8B2444BCF0E0@twft.com> Hi Bob. Nice name. If you set the file to read only before you open it, no one will be able to write to it, even the first user. If one user opens it read/write then the second can only open it read only. The OS will prevent anything else from happening. One of the reasons for using something like an SQL database is they are (for the most part) multiuser. But then you have to learn SQL, and some don't want to bother. One strategy would be to have a try/catch statement inside a repeat loop. Be sure to put a timer on the next retry or risk having your processors go to 100% until the write occurs. It's also a good idea to have a try counter so that when it hits a maximum you can ask the user if they want to keep trying or cancel the file update. In the try/catch statement, try to open the file read/write. If you get an error, (or some other condition that indicated the command failed) you can simply delay then next repeat. And before anything else, make sure the file is available in the first place by using "there is a file" and the fully qualified path to the file. One downside of this approach is the risk of leaving the file open lock stranded if the user pulls the plug on his computer during a transaction. Obviously, don't open the file until the very last moment, then close it as soon as possible. Do not have any user interaction when the file is open. Not even an answer dialog reporting an error. I can't (read that won't) write the code for you but I'd be happy to critique it when you're done. Bob On May 21, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Bob Earp wrote: > > I have an app that reads/writes from/to a data file on a remote server. So far there's only been one user of the app, but I wish to allow a number of users to use the app in different locations, which means I have to consider the case where more than one user wants to write to the file at the same time. > I was thinking that setting the data file's permissions "read only" with the first user to open the file would be the easiest way to solve this, but can't seem to get that going. Maybe there is an easier way, or more probably I'm just being a dufus here ;-) > In any event, does anybody have some words of wisdom/guidance, or better still a sample ? > Many thanks, Bob... > Bob Earp - White Rock, British Columbia, Canada > _________________________________________________________________ > 30 days of prizes: Hotmail makes your day easier! Enter Now. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9729710_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Fri May 21 17:26:15 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:26:15 -0700 Subject: Who is the author of codes.widged? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FB63FBB-BA1F-4844-A9B6-9823E28FFB7C@twft.com> Any blog that has no feedback link I don't even bother with. People like this are cowards who blather on about their own point of view, thinking (wrongly) that people are actually interested in it. I wouldn't give it another moment's thought. Bob On May 21, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Hi all, > > Who is the author of the website: > http://codes.widged.com ??? > > Read this: > http://codes.widged.com/node?page=1 > and this: > http://codes.widged.com/node/6 > > The following affirmation reads wrong, > at least in my personal experience: > > codes.widged wrote: > "If you frequent their forums for a few months, > you will rapidly discover that their typical user > is a person who has come to use runrev as > exclusive development tool. As you try to get > recognized and accepted, you are invited to > give up everything else and count on runrev > alone to bring you happiness and success." > > These are extraordinary claims, > to say the least... > > When i started programming in this platform, > nobody promised me happiness and success > if "i give up everything else". > > Did anybody receive similar promises from > Runrev as codes.widged??? > > Who is the author of the website: > http://codes.widged.com ? > > Alejandro > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revolution at derbrill.de Fri May 21 17:32:59 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 23:32:59 +0200 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!) In-Reply-To: <20100519170005.3DA4D489006@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100519170005.3DA4D489006@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: >I saw no wrong on the licensing. Me neither, Just that we can not take it and wrap an external around it (or get it done to be more precise) for general release to us revers. Each rever would have to have their own license / it must be licensed on a per project base, or for a site, so we can not just buy a license and make it publically available to everyone here. If they ere going to write a wrapper for rev though, I?d be more than happy to give it a shot. > Did anyone email these folks? Yes. :-) I asked them if they have any plans on releasing it as a rev external. Who knows, maybe they get back. cheers, Malte From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri May 21 17:42:28 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 16:42:28 -0500 Subject: Who is the author of codes.widged? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BF6FE44.5070502@hyperactivesw.com> Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Did anybody receive similar promises from > Runrev as codes.widged??? Of course not. Nor any of the other things claimed on that site. > > Who is the author of the website: > http://codes.widged.com ? Someone who's name I won't say here, because this list is publicly searchable. Just don't make her aware of you in any way. Once you are in her sights it is difficult to escape, and she will invent all sorts of imaginary things about you too. And then she will email all your friends with her stream-of-consciousness commentary as well. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Fri May 21 18:07:53 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 23:07:53 +0100 Subject: OT: article about a mobile app success story Message-ID: <27C12934-75C2-44C9-BF86-AB02342A1030@azurevision.co.uk> http://blog.iteleportmobile.com/quality-over-quantity-how-we-built-iteleport Even though it's in iPhone/iPad-specific app, I thought this made interesting reading - they bucked the trend for really cheap mobile apps by charging $25 and it seems to be paying off for them. Ian From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri May 21 18:27:35 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 17:27:35 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Watch tRev's Conditional Breakpoints and Iteration Management Message-ID: Lovers of debuggers, Learn all about making your tRev breakpoints super smart?and how to use our brand new breakpoint iteration navigator: http://reveditor.com/conditional-breakpoints-and-time-travelers-wi-0 Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch From bobs at twft.com Fri May 21 18:31:53 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 15:31:53 -0700 Subject: Remote SQL databases Message-ID: Hi all. Anyone have any idea how fast the queries to the On-Rev SQL databases are on average? I was using a method where I was looking up a key from one query of 100 records at a time and querying a mySql database at my On-Rev site ONE RECORD AT A TIME! I discovered that the queries were taking about a second, which now that I think about it, is about right, with internet lag and all. So now I have to think about using joins. My problem now becomes, I am looking up values from a table in one database, in a table tables residing in another database. Can I even create a join like that? Don't the tables have to reside in the same database to do a join like that? Barring that, I suppose I can compile a list of key values, and do a single query for records with key values in that string, then loop through and add the records that don't exist, but how to do that with a single query! Sheesh! If I were using Foxpro this would be child's play. I'm wondering if the Relational aspect of Trevor's sqlYoga would be able to do this, but again, I think I have to be working with two tables in the same database for that to work. Trevor? Bob From jmyepes at mac.com Fri May 21 18:45:41 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 15:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Import AddressBook using Automator action from Rev Message-ID: <1274481941849-2226790.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi, Any know how to call a Automator action .flow from Rev using Applescript? The flow first select one, many or all the contacts from the AddressBook and export into tabbed text. >From the Automator the action run fine, but from the Applescript nop. I don't know how pass the selection of contacts. I see that this is a quickly way to import the contacts into Rev. The actions are: Get Specified Address Book Items.action and Get Contact Information.action I put thogther into a Automator flow... Any help? please... :) Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Import-AddressBook-using-Automator-action-from-Rev-tp2226790p2226790.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri May 21 19:45:06 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 01:45:06 +0200 Subject: Import AddressBook using Automator action from Rev In-Reply-To: <1274481941849-2226790.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1274481941849-2226790.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: 2010/5/22 JosepM : > > Hi, > > Any know how to call a Automator action .flow from Rev using Applescript? > The flow first select one, many or all the contacts from the AddressBook and > export into tabbed text. > > >From the Automator the action run fine, but from the Applescript nop. I > don't know how pass the selection of contacts. I see that this is a quickly > way to import the contacts into Rev. > > The actions are: > > Get Specified Address Book Items.action and Get Contact Information.action > I put thogther into a Automator flow... > > Any help? please... :) > > Salut, > Josep Hi Josep, In automator you can run an applescript script. In this script why not let revolution accomplish some task? Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri May 21 19:52:56 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 01:52:56 +0200 Subject: Who is the author of codes.widged? In-Reply-To: <4BF6FE44.5070502@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BF6FE44.5070502@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: 2010/5/21 J. Landman Gay : > Alejandro Tejada wrote: > >> Did anybody receive similar promises from >> Runrev as codes.widged??? > > Of course not. Nor any of the other things claimed on that site. > >> >> Who is the author of the website: >> http://codes.widged.com ? > > Someone who's name I won't say here, because this list is publicly > searchable. Just don't make her aware of you in any way. Once you are in her > sights it is difficult to escape, and she will invent all sorts of imaginary > things about you too. And then she will email all your friends with her > stream-of-consciousness commentary as well. The only thing I could say that see her profile on the web, given to me a bad feeling. I'm sure she's not a slug's friend. Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From mstuart at adaptcrm.com Fri May 21 20:04:57 2010 From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 17:04:57 -0700 Subject: Remote SQL databases Message-ID: Hi Bob, on Fri May 21 17:31:53 CDT 2010, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> So now I have to think about using joins. << Just preface the table name that's in the other database with the database_alias_name.table_name: SELECT cus.Customer_Number, cus.Customer_Name, ctyp.Customer_Type_Name FROM database1.customers AS cus LEFT OUTER JOIN database2.customer_types as ctyp ON cus.Customer_Type = ctyp.Customer_Type_ID HTH, Mark Stuart From josh at dvcreators.net Fri May 21 20:16:27 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 17:16:27 -0700 Subject: Has anyone integrated PayPal's "website payments pro" into a Rev stack? In-Reply-To: <412550CE-C3FF-44E8-AE5D-41F1A47411BE@dvcreators.net> References: <412550CE-C3FF-44E8-AE5D-41F1A47411BE@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: Just in case anyone integrates PayPal, PayPal's Website Payments Pro API does not accept a libURL POST from Run Rev, but works great with cURL, hope this saves someone some headaches. From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Fri May 21 20:31:48 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 02:31:48 +0200 Subject: Import AddressBook using Automator action from Rev In-Reply-To: <1274481941849-2226790.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1274481941849-2226790.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: 2010/5/22 JosepM : > > Hi, > > Any know how to call a Automator action .flow from Rev using Applescript? > The flow first select one, many or all the contacts from the AddressBook and > export into tabbed text. > > >From the Automator the action run fine, but from the Applescript nop. I > don't know how pass the selection of contacts. I see that this is a quickly > way to import the contacts into Rev. > > The actions are: > > Get Specified Address Book Items.action and Get Contact Information.action > I put thogther into a Automator flow... > > Any help? please... :) > > Salut, > Josep > -- Just found an old automator flow I made in 10.5 to accomplish this task: - keep in a variable the selected files - execute an applescript script to retrieve the current container of the selected files - create a new folder in the container - put the selected files in the new folder Not your needs of course, but the flow could give you a few clues how to pass automator variables to an applescript script nested in the flow. In this nested script you could easily use Revolution with the do script command. You could as well prepare a button in Revolution to open a flow saved as an app. Have also a look to this link: http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/AppleApplications/Conceptual/AutomatorConcepts/Articles/HowAutomatorWorks.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40001509-97230-BAJHHDGF Be free to contact me off-list if you want that I send you this flow. Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From bobs at twft.com Fri May 21 21:17:30 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:17:30 -0700 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: UPDATE: Well I discovered what my problem was. I commented out the method I employed which used sqlYoga for all the queries, and wrote a new method using only RevDB API calls. The sqlYoga method took about 1 to 1.5 seconds per iteration, so for 100 single record queries, let's say roughly 2 minutes. The RevDB method took less than 10 seconds for 100 queries. I guess what I am saying is that if you need to do lots of small queries like I am doing, and you don't mind learning a little SQL, the RevDB commands and functions are going to be a TON more efficient. But if you are doing a few queries here and there, the performance hit would be minimal, and sqlYoga can save you enormous amounts of trouble learning SQL and get you going much quicker. Bob On May 21, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Hi all. > > Anyone have any idea how fast the queries to the On-Rev SQL databases are on average? I was using a method where I was looking up a key from one query of 100 records at a time and querying a mySql database at my On-Rev site ONE RECORD AT A TIME! I discovered that the queries were taking about a second, which now that I think about it, is about right, with internet lag and all. > > So now I have to think about using joins. My problem now becomes, I am looking up values from a table in one database, in a table tables residing in another database. Can I even create a join like that? Don't the tables have to reside in the same database to do a join like that? > > Barring that, I suppose I can compile a list of key values, and do a single query for records with key values in that string, then loop through and add the records that don't exist, but how to do that with a single query! Sheesh! If I were using Foxpro this would be child's play. > > I'm wondering if the Relational aspect of Trevor's sqlYoga would be able to do this, but again, I think I have to be working with two tables in the same database for that to work. Trevor? > > Bob > > From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com Sat May 22 01:58:37 2010 From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 08:58:37 +0300 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22/5/10 4:17 AM, "Bob Sneidar" wrote: Hi Bob, > UPDATE: > > Well I discovered what my problem was. I commented out the method I employed > which used sqlYoga for all the queries, and wrote a new method using only > RevDB API calls. The sqlYoga method took about 1 to 1.5 seconds per iteration, > so for 100 single record queries, let's say roughly 2 minutes. The RevDB > method took less than 10 seconds for 100 queries. ?excuse me but this still sounds like a very bad result. SQL dbs can make joins of thousands records in say .001 sec What will happens if tomorrow you will need 500 queries? Your Users will wait 50 seconds? Even 10 sec of WAIT is terrible for today for user IMO -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 22 03:32:52 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 09:32:52 +0200 Subject: [ANN] Watch tRev's Conditional Breakpoints and Iteration Management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Jerry, I have updated tRev with last version... All work well (I think...) Now I have work to explore all possibilities of tRev ! Thank you Bon souvenir de Paris Ren? Le 22 mai 2010 ? 00:27, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > Lovers of debuggers, > > Learn all about making your tRev breakpoints super smart?and how to use our brand new breakpoint iteration navigator: > > http://reveditor.com/conditional-breakpoints-and-time-travelers-wi-0 > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: > http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 22 03:58:03 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:58:03 +0300 Subject: Who is the author of codes.widged? In-Reply-To: <8FB63FBB-BA1F-4844-A9B6-9823E28FFB7C@twft.com> References: <8FB63FBB-BA1F-4844-A9B6-9823E28FFB7C@twft.com> Message-ID: <4BF78E8B.5060308@gmail.com> >> Who is the author of the website: >> http://codes.widged.com ??? >> Presumably Marielle Lange. I did some work for this person about 7 years ago when she was staying in Edinburgh. The end result was not satisfactory insofar as she felt I had taken a week to do something she could have done in a day; on pointing out that if she were able to do it in a day there was no point in paying me to do the thing our 'relationship' took a turn for the worse. I understand she is now in New Zealand. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 22 03:59:42 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:59:42 +0300 Subject: Who is the author of codes.widged? In-Reply-To: <4BF6FE44.5070502@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BF6FE44.5070502@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BF78EEE.1010600@gmail.com> On 22/05/2010 00:42, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Alejandro Tejada wrote: > >> Did anybody receive similar promises from >> Runrev as codes.widged??? > > Of course not. Nor any of the other things claimed on that site. > >> >> Who is the author of the website: >> http://codes.widged.com ? > > Someone who's name I won't say here, because this list is publicly > searchable. Just don't make her aware of you in any way. Once you are > in her sights it is difficult to escape, and she will invent all sorts > of imaginary things about you too. And then she will email all your > friends with her stream-of-consciousness commentary as well. > Oops; Richmond's big mouth already has mentioned her name. And, I can bear you out; having experienced a lot of "psychobabble" about 6-7 years ago. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 22 04:00:45 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:00:45 +0300 Subject: Who is the author of codes.widged? In-Reply-To: References: <4BF6FE44.5070502@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BF78F2D.1070006@gmail.com> On 22/05/2010 02:52, zryip theSlug wrote: > 2010/5/21 J. Landman Gay: >> Alejandro Tejada wrote: >> >>> Did anybody receive similar promises from >>> Runrev as codes.widged??? >> Of course not. Nor any of the other things claimed on that site. >> >>> Who is the author of the website: >>> http://codes.widged.com ? >> Someone who's name I won't say here, because this list is publicly >> searchable. Just don't make her aware of you in any way. Once you are in her >> sights it is difficult to escape, and she will invent all sorts of imaginary >> things about you too. And then she will email all your friends with her >> stream-of-consciousness commentary as well. > The only thing I could say that see her profile on the web, given to > me a bad feeling. > I'm sure she's not a slug's friend. She'll probably put salt on your tail . . . :) Elle n'aime pas les limaces! > > Regards, From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 22 04:06:02 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:06:02 +0300 Subject: [OT] A Big, Big Thank You to JLG! Message-ID: <4BF7906A.6080902@gmail.com> I hosed my Linux box the other day (living too close to the edge) so had to reinstall. Reinstalled Ubuntu 10.04 followed by my licenced version of RunRev 4 for Linux; 60 minutes. The connected via revOnline to JLG's Metacard setup stack and had Metacard 4 up and running inside 10 minutes: Wow, Wow and Wow again! Thank you Jacque! You're a star. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 22 04:11:09 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:11:09 +0200 Subject: Who is the author of codes.widged? In-Reply-To: <4BF78F2D.1070006@gmail.com> References: <4BF6FE44.5070502@hyperactivesw.com> <4BF78F2D.1070006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F7A4AE0-BB58-4541-B08C-A6B44757DEEB@numericable.com> Elle pense peut-?tre que "la bave de la limace (du crapaud ...) n'atteint pas la blanche colombe" ;-) Le 22 mai 2010 ? 10:00, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > She'll probably put salt on your tail . . . :) Elle n'aime pas les limaces! From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 22 04:15:46 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:15:46 +0300 Subject: Who is the author of codes.widged? In-Reply-To: <2F7A4AE0-BB58-4541-B08C-A6B44757DEEB@numericable.com> References: <4BF6FE44.5070502@hyperactivesw.com> <4BF78F2D.1070006@gmail.com> <2F7A4AE0-BB58-4541-B08C-A6B44757DEEB@numericable.com> Message-ID: <4BF792B2.3080405@gmail.com> On 22/05/2010 11:11, Ren? Micout wrote: > Elle pense peut-?tre que "la bave de la limace (du crapaud ...) n'atteint pas la blanche colombe" > ;-) > Toujours Je suis un crapaud brun avec pustules noirs; et Je vais manger tous les colombes blanches!!!! From rene.micout at numericable.com Sat May 22 04:18:27 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:18:27 +0200 Subject: Who is the author of codes.widged? In-Reply-To: <4BF792B2.3080405@gmail.com> References: <4BF6FE44.5070502@hyperactivesw.com> <4BF78F2D.1070006@gmail.com> <2F7A4AE0-BB58-4541-B08C-A6B44757DEEB@numericable.com> <4BF792B2.3080405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <445C793B-9617-4D51-AA83-DBED64A1EB40@numericable.com> Bon app?tit ! ;-) Le 22 mai 2010 ? 10:15, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit : > On 22/05/2010 11:11, Ren? Micout wrote: >> Elle pense peut-?tre que "la bave de la limace (du crapaud ...) n'atteint pas la blanche colombe" >> ;-) >> > > Toujours Je suis un crapaud brun avec pustules noirs; et Je vais manger tous les colombes blanches!!!! > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sat May 22 04:51:24 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 09:51:24 +0100 Subject: When it reaches Newsweek.... Message-ID: <201005220951.24189.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/techtonicshifts/archive/2010/05/20/sayonara- iphone-why-i-m-switching-to-android.aspx MSM is noticing, its getting dangerous: "Today the battlefield is mobile devices, and just as before, Apple jumped out to an early lead. And just as before, Jobs got selfish. He won't support Flash, or any cross-platform tools?because he wants developers locked into his platform, and his App Store, where he collects a 30 percent commission." From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sat May 22 05:17:04 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 17:17:04 +0800 Subject: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andre, thanks for the pointers. Got everything working plus after playing with phpPgAdmin found a few more features. Much appreciated. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hi There Kay, > > What is the format of the data? Is it a csv file or something? Because if > it > is a text file, then you can upload the text file to your on-rev account > and > then use a SQL command such as COPY to parse and load the file. You don't > need a option in phpPgAdmin to do it, you can just write the SQL command > there. > > Check out http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.1/static/sql-copy.html > > With this you'll be able to load a csv (or similar) file into postgresql > > It is not as straight forward as LOAD DATA INFILE but it is close. > > Cheers > andre > > > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:01 AM, Kay C Lan > wrote: > > > I'm guessing Andre is the guru to answer this one. > > > > How does one populate a postgreSQL db on On-Rev in bulk? > > > > MySQL's phpMyAdmin gives you both an Import option and the ability to > enter > > raw SQL commands, ie LOAD DATA LOCAL INFILE, but the postgreSQL's > > phpPgAdmin > > has neither option. > > > > I'm not going to manually type in thousands of records. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > And Ruslan, if you're reading, if On-Rev offered Valentina Free Server, > I'd > > be trying to figure out how to do this with Valentina rather than > > postgreSQL, especially as I'd assume it would be as easy as using > Valentina > > Studio's Connect to... Server option. > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From effendi at wanadoo.fr Sat May 22 05:44:43 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:44:43 +0200 Subject: Windows 7 Question Message-ID: <034CBAE5-417A-4EAE-946F-F2FE11AC1D94@wanadoo.fr> Hi from Beautiful Brittany, I know little about PC's ........ :>) But now I have my answers. By searching in Google for "windir" and "systemroot", I found "systemdrive" which does exactly what I want ! Thanks Paul, thanks Steve ! -Francis "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !" From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sat May 22 06:25:18 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:25:18 +0800 Subject: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev In-Reply-To: <873BF90E-1A26-4ED6-B690-12FF2E715CE6@twft.com> References: <873BF90E-1A26-4ED6-B690-12FF2E715CE6@twft.com> Message-ID: On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I wouldn't look at it that way. You can get an all day ticket at > Disneyland. You can ride all the rides, or just some of them, or none at > all. You can't get a cheaper ticket if you promise not to ride some of the > rides. It's kind of like that. > > Well it would be if Disneyland offered 'sepecial pensioners' day ticket for $72. Pensioners, who are unlikely to run around like mad and get on as many rides as possible, might think that this a good deal and conclude that Disney are doing the right thing by pensioners - but the normal day ticket is $72. [THE ABOVE IS HYPOTHETICAL, DISNEY DO NOT DO THIS] mySQL offers it's db free for non-profit. If I were a non-profit I would assume that it would cost me less to use mySQL than for a commercial outfit. I appreciate that for LAN use, a non-profit can use mySQL free whilst a commercial adventure has to pay. I'm just surprised that a commercial enterprise can save money by moving it's db off a LAN and onto a web host and have someone else pay their mySQL licensing fees. From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com Sat May 22 06:39:39 2010 From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:39:39 +0300 Subject: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22/5/10 1:25 PM, "Kay C Lan" wrote: > [THE ABOVE IS HYPOTHETICAL, DISNEY DO NOT DO THIS] > > mySQL offers it's db free for non-profit. If I were a non-profit I would > assume that it would cost me less to use mySQL than for a commercial outfit. > I appreciate that for LAN use, a non-profit can use mySQL free whilst a > commercial adventure has to pay. I'm just surprised that a commercial > enterprise can save money by moving it's db off a LAN and onto a web host > and have someone else pay their mySQL licensing fees. I will not say that below 100% true, but I believe I have read that on different lists and mySQL license site * free for not profit? Okay. but do you know that on their site was said: if developer have developed app for use in company (!) of that developer -- license must be paid. * mySQL server is free for ISP itself. but if ISP now give access to his clients, clients should pay commercial license. May be something was changed after Oracle get mySQL, I did not check last year. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sat May 22 07:15:53 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:15:53 +0800 Subject: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin < ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com> wrote: > > * mySQL server is free for ISP itself. > but if ISP now give access to his clients, > clients should pay commercial license. > > That seems sensible to me. I was just replying to comments made by Bob and in many respects made by yourself in another Thread. Andre mentioned using Valentina Free Server on On-Rev, but you countered that On-Rev was commercial therefore it should be Valentina Office Server. So given that Valentina offers Valentina Free Server for non-profits, like churches, how is possible for a church to create an online Address Book db, if you've stated that On-Rev would have to use the commercial Valentina Office Server? I'd love to see Valentina offered as an option on On-Rev, but if it is at additional cost, because it's Officer Server, then I'll have to continue with postgreSQL because my dbs are all non-profit. From david at architex.tv Sat May 22 07:18:15 2010 From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 12:18:15 +0100 Subject: revLet: dynamic resizing when browser window resizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi fellow coders, just figured out the way to fix this visual glitch. Essentially you can't use the geometry manager at this stage - you need to use a "resizeStack" handler and code it yourself. Interestingly the following geometry seems to work: the screenrect: 0,0,1440,900 > the rect of this card: 0,0,868,504 > the rect of this stack: 274,212,1142,716 > all though setting the width of the card does not - which would have been a lot of fun. Here is the test revLet - http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html which seems to work well - though there are a few occasional flashes of grey on FireFox OSX. On 20 May 2010 22:50, David Bovill wrote: > Created a stack with the geometry manager so that the field resizes. > Uploaded it as a revLet and modified the HTML so that the width and height > are 80% instead of fixed numbers: > > > height=80%> >> >> >> >> >> > src="Test.revlet" >> width=80% height=80% >> stack="Test" >> requestedName="" >> instanceID="" >> > >> >> > > It resizes nicely - but it does not load nicely. Any ideas how to fix the > loading so it resizes to the appropriate size? > > You can see the revLet here: http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html > > From jerry.daniels at me.com Sat May 22 08:29:35 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 07:29:35 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Watch tRev's Conditional Breakpoints and Iteration Management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A bient?t! On May 22, 2010, at 2:32 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > Hello Jerry, > I have updated tRev with last version... > All work well (I think...) > Now I have work to explore all possibilities of tRev ! > Thank you > Bon souvenir de Paris > Ren? > > Le 22 mai 2010 ? 00:27, Jerry Daniels a ?crit : > >> Lovers of debuggers, >> >> Learn all about making your tRev breakpoints super smart?and how to use our brand new breakpoint iteration navigator: >> >> http://reveditor.com/conditional-breakpoints-and-time-travelers-wi-0 >> >> Best, >> >> Jerry Daniels >> >> Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: >> http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com Sat May 22 08:32:48 2010 From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:32:48 +0300 Subject: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22/5/10 2:15 PM, "Kay C Lan" wrote: > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Ruslan Zasukhin < > ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com> wrote: > >> >> * mySQL server is free for ISP itself. >> but if ISP now give access to his clients, >> clients should pay commercial license. >> >> > That seems sensible to me. I was just replying to comments made by Bob and > in many respects made by yourself in another Thread. Andre mentioned using > Valentina Free Server on On-Rev, but you countered that On-Rev was > commercial therefore it should be Valentina Office Server. > > So given that Valentina offers Valentina Free Server for non-profits, like > churches, how is possible for a church to create an online Address Book db, > if you've stated that On-Rev would have to use the commercial Valentina > Office Server? If REV-ONLINE will use Valentina Office Server (on any agreement) Then we do not care how many dbs/users is used there. We sale - instance of vserver. So as far as I see, usage of vserver should not change price model of rev-online seri > I'd love to see Valentina offered as an option on On-Rev, but if it is at > additional cost, because it's Officer Server, then I'll have to continue > with postgreSQL because my dbs are all non-profit. As far as I see, REV can pay once for single copy of vserver and after that start earn on that. Postgre always is a good choice now, because nobody even discuss yet really usage of vserver there. Only we here on list :) -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From mikeharland at mac.com Sat May 22 10:15:04 2010 From: mikeharland at mac.com (Mike Harland) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:15:04 +0100 Subject: codes.widged In-Reply-To: <20100522081552.30CC3288578@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100522081552.30CC3288578@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <422BFED6-4228-48AA-AC75-3A9FC78DC656@mac.com> Could somebody please substantiate the claims that Ms Lange purports to have disproved? I find it disturbing to see that people on this list are behaving as she describes. Mike From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 22 11:02:28 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:02:28 +0300 Subject: codes.widged In-Reply-To: <422BFED6-4228-48AA-AC75-3A9FC78DC656@mac.com> References: <20100522081552.30CC3288578@mail.runrev.com> <422BFED6-4228-48AA-AC75-3A9FC78DC656@mac.com> Message-ID: <4BF7F204.1000105@gmail.com> On 22/05/2010 17:15, Mike Harland wrote: > Could somebody please substantiate the claims that Ms Lange purports to have disproved? What does she purport to have disproved? > I find it disturbing to see that people on this list are behaving as she describes. Where and what does she describe? > Mike A long time ago, in another country; when Ms Lange and I were some 6-7 years younger . . . treat the whole thing as a minor, heretical, episode of star wars . . . :) No doubt she and I are both older and wiser now. I have no quarrel with Ms Lange now; and I see no reason why she should have one with me. At the time, however, I did (as did the Use-List) receive a number of messages which were distinctly odd. I, myself, have also been guilty of sending distinctly odd messages in the past. So, please look upon my earlier posting as of historical interest only. Other people, I believe, have been in touch with her more recently; their opinions are probably more valuable in the long run. From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sat May 22 11:17:00 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 08:17:00 -0700 Subject: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82A90EA657444A9D9494FF024C01AC5C@GATEWAY> Hi Kay, > That seems sensible to me. I was just replying to comments > made by Bob and in many respects made by yourself in another > Thread. Andre mentioned using Valentina Free Server on > On-Rev, but you countered that On-Rev was commercial > therefore it should be Valentina Office Server. > > So given that Valentina offers Valentina Free Server for > non-profits, like churches, how is possible for a church to > create an online Address Book db, if you've stated that > On-Rev would have to use the commercial Valentina Office Server? > > I'd love to see Valentina offered as an option on On-Rev, but > if it is at additional cost, because it's Officer Server, > then I'll have to continue with postgreSQL because my dbs are > all non-profit. Business guy here, Valentina hat on :-) Valentina on On-Rev is still a topic on the table. The reality is that a malicious curveball launched from a location in California is causing a momentary distraction to all parties. What Ruslan is talking about is how other products are licensed to ISPs, who then make choices about how they handle passing those costs onto their customers. Too many variables at this point to make much of it as of today. Another consideration is that On-Rev is currently a combination of app server licensing + ISP. A new dimension appears when/if On-Rev's App Server becomes available for licensing to customers so they can run it on their own. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat May 22 11:35:07 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 08:35:07 -0700 Subject: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev Message-ID: <4BF7F9AB.7000403@fourthworld.com> Kay C Lan wrote: > mySQL offers it's db free for non-profit. Kinda sorta. MySQL is released under the GPL, so you can grab the source for free, compile it yourself, and sell it for $1000 if you like. But there's one catch: anything you make with it must also have its source available, and anyone could download your source and sell it too. Or give it away. Or modify it so it draws dancing chickens all over the user's screen if that's what they want to do, so long as they also make their source available. GPL moves the cost-of-entry from cash to skills: rather than be required to pay for it with money, you can pay for it with time to set up a C compiler and run a make file. It's only for closed-source projects that a copy of MySQL can be obtained under a separate proprietary license. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From gary_aitcheson at sbcglobal.net Sat May 22 11:57:27 2010 From: gary_aitcheson at sbcglobal.net (gary_aitcheson) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:57:27 -0500 Subject: How to "Dial" Using Rev ? Message-ID: <4BF7FEE7.2090505@sbcglobal.net> Hi - I am a long time OOP user, Rev fan and message board lurker. I have a totally off topic question. Many years ago I built a program that will dial a phone number through the modem port and then hang up. My handset is on a Y connection to the phone line so it stays open and I can speak to the dialed number. The program records all the time date info etc so it is very handy for keeping track of things. Originally I wrote it in HyperCard then SuperCard etc where a simple "Dial" command followed by the number was sufficient. Unfortunately Rev does not have this function. However back in 2005 ago there was a brief discussion about this online and I was very lucky to find this little piece of code that works perfectly for my PC. put "*67" before theNumber open file "com3:" for write write "ATS7=1L0DT" & theNumber & cr to file "com3:" wait 5 secs close file "com3:" I do not understand much of this, but it appears that it's usual function is to dial a fax machine in order to transmit letters etc. My problem is that I want to use this dialing program on my iMac running OS X but unfortunately it does not function there. I imagine the dialing code is similar, but figuring it out is beyond my expertise. Does anyone have any suggestions at to what to do, where to look, who to ask, etc ? Cheers Gary From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat May 22 12:10:29 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 09:10:29 -0700 Subject: codes.widged Message-ID: <4BF801F5.6060309@fourthworld.com> Mike Harland wrote: > Could somebody please substantiate the claims that Ms Lange purports > to have disproved? RunRev already has: Her claims at rest around the misrepresentation that the MetaCard engine is somehow different from the Rev engine (there is only one engine regardless of which IDE stacks you use with it; you can even make your own, as Jerry and I and others have), and that the acquisition of MetaCard Corp's technology and customer base never happened (it did, in July 2003): And FWIW, the page where she makes this misrepresentation contains at least one copyright violation, a screen shot for a product owned by one of my clients for whom we had granted permission to MetaCard Corp. to host in the context provided at metacard.com, but my client has not given permission for deep-linking to use the image in a different context such as her blog. A cease-and-desist has been sent. > I find it disturbing to see that people on this list are behaving > as she describes. One could just as well ask why her definitions of others' behavior shouldn't apply to her own public attacks against RunRev and this community. A lot of people type a lot of stuff all over the Internet. As noted above, not everything one reads on the Internet is true. When attacks are posted anonymously that should be a warning sign to the reader that the material may be suspect. Earnest writers stand behind their words. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From DunbarX at aol.com Sat May 22 12:32:01 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 12:32:01 EDT Subject: How to "Dial" Using Rev ? Message-ID: I still use a bunch of "hyperdialer" gadgets that connect between a handset and the telephone. The HC "dial" command generates DTMF tones, so that in an address book, a one line script will dial the number. In fact, before I found those devices (20 years ago) it was possible to have the tones played over the speakers. If you held the handset up close, one could dial a number perfectly well. But I only replied to say that I thought all HC commands were supported in Rev to the extent that they at least did nothing. But there is no "dial" in the dictionary. Are there others? Craig Newman From bvlahos at mac.com Sat May 22 12:50:00 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 09:50:00 -0700 Subject: How do I decompress BZ2 files? Message-ID: My hosting company compresses their log files using bz2. I can download the files and the Mac will decompress them when I double click. The Rev decompress command looks like it uses gzip which is different. Is there a way in Rev to decompress the file in the bz2 format so that I can do it all in Rev or do I need to do the steps manually? This only needs to work on the Mac. Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 22 12:57:34 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:57:34 +0300 Subject: [OT] Divine Bliss Message-ID: <4BF80CFE.9080400@gmail.com> Elsewhere on the Use-List I read this: "you are invited to give up everything else and count on runrev alone to bring you happiness and success." Nobody in the RunRev community ever invited me to do anything of the sort. HOWEVER . . . Since I discovered RunRev about 9 years ago I can honestly say, with the odd 'foray' into Hypernext, I have stuck to RunRev/Metacard 98% of the time and it has given me very little but happiness, and my 'Devawriter' has been a success. While I wouldn't advocate giving "everything else up", I would advocate getting into RunRev in a big way; the deeper one digs the more 'gold' one finds From chris at whitelotus.on-rev.com Sat May 22 13:13:00 2010 From: chris at whitelotus.on-rev.com (Christian Langers) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:13:00 +0200 Subject: How do I decompress BZ2 files? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BF8109C.1010908@whitelotus.on-rev.com> Hi Bill, you might try shell()... http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/bzip2.1.html e.g. put "bunzip2 -k" && tSource && tDestination into tShellScript put/get shell(tShellScript) and escape space with "\ " in the path part... This might work, Christian On 22/05/10 18:50, Bill Vlahos wrote: > My hosting company compresses their log files using bz2. I can download the files and the Mac will decompress them when I double click. > > The Rev decompress command looks like it uses gzip which is different. > > Is there a way in Rev to decompress the file in the bz2 format so that I can do it all in Rev or do I need to do the steps manually? This only needs to work on the Mac. > > Bill Vlahos > _________________ > InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat May 22 13:24:07 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How to "Dial" Using Rev ? In-Reply-To: <4BF7FEE7.2090505@sbcglobal.net> References: <4BF7FEE7.2090505@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1274549047111-2227314.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Gary, Look at these pages from Ken Ray's website: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm#port http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/port001.htm > Hello, > > Few years ago, I have used the dial function > in Hypercard, e.g. : dial 05552222 > > What is the corresponding function in Metacard? There is none in MetaCard. You could try to build something like that yourself. E.g.: on dial dNumber open file "modem:" for write write "ATDT" && dNumber to file "modem:" close file "modem:" end dial dNumber Regards, Sjoerd Posted 2/28/2002 by Sjoerd Op 't Land to the MetaCard List (See the complete post/thread) Macintosh users that want to dial a Phone number from MetaCard using a Global Village Voice-Modem must add "return" after dNumber. on dial dNumber -- function by Sjoerd Op 't Land open file modem: for write write "ATDT" && dNumber && return to file modem: end dial dNumber As I don't want to close the modem immediately after dialing, I put the last handler in a button: on mouseUp close file modem: end mouseUp Modified 4/8/2002 by Alejandro Tejada to the MetaCard List -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-Dial-Using-Rev-tp2227252p2227314.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat May 22 13:30:23 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 12:30:23 -0500 Subject: codes.widged In-Reply-To: <422BFED6-4228-48AA-AC75-3A9FC78DC656@mac.com> References: <20100522081552.30CC3288578@mail.runrev.com> <422BFED6-4228-48AA-AC75-3A9FC78DC656@mac.com> Message-ID: <4BF814AF.2000105@hyperactivesw.com> Mike Harland wrote: > Could somebody please substantiate the claims that Ms Lange purports > to have disproved? > > I find it disturbing to see that people on this list are behaving as > she describes. Mike, this person is not credible in any way. She has proved it repeatedly. There is a history that goes back many years, and I'm confident that if you knew it, you'd agree. You should use your own experience with us about how list participants behave. Have you ever seen anything like she describes? I have not. I have, however, seen many, many instances where list members praise the people here and say that it is one of the most welcoming and helpful groups they've ever known. There is a disconnect in this person's mind between what happens and what she thinks happened. Anyone who has had dealings with her in the past will understand what I mean. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat May 22 14:04:01 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: revLet: dynamic resizing when browser window resizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1274551441265-2227342.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi David, David Bovill-4 wrote: > > Hi fellow coders, just figured out the way > to fix this visual glitch. > Essentially you can't use the geometry > manager at this stage - you need to > use a "resizeStack" handler and code > it yourself. > > Interestingly the following geometry > seems to work: > >> the screenrect: 0,0,1440,900 >> the rect of this card: 0,0,868,504 >> the rect of this stack: 274,212,1142,716 > Many thanks for posting this information! :-) I have been thinking about how to solve the desconfiguration of screen interfaces when users rezise stacks, or in this case resizes the webpage. This problem is especially notorious when stacks have multiple cards. Recreating and/or resizing all the elements of the card interface in a preopencard handler could position and resize correctly most controls. This solution requires to describe all widths, heights and location of controls as proportions of card dimensions using (like html) percents. Have you created such handlers to manage proportionally position and dimensions of controls in a card? Thanks in advance! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/revLet-dynamic-resizing-when-browser-window-resizes-tp2225370p2227342.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat May 22 14:26:02 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How do I decompress BZ2 files? In-Reply-To: <4BF8109C.1010908@whitelotus.on-rev.com> References: <4BF8109C.1010908@whitelotus.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <1274552762023-2227352.post@n4.nabble.com> Windows users could use code like this: put "D:/myFiles/mybzip2file.bz2" into tOpenfile put "C:/Developer/bzip2.exe -dkc " & tOpenfile into tBzip set the hideconsolewindows to true get shell(tBzip) Now the contents of bzip2 file is in the variable named it Then, you could save this content in another file or display inside a field (if bz2 file content is text): put it into fld "displaybz2file" or put char 1 to -4 of tOpenfile & "gz" into tnewfile put compress(it) into URL ("binfile:" & tnewfile) Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-do-I-decompress-BZ2-files-tp2227291p2227352.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat May 22 14:37:17 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:37:17 -0500 Subject: [OT] A Big, Big Thank You to JLG! In-Reply-To: <4BF7906A.6080902@gmail.com> References: <4BF7906A.6080902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BF8245D.1040902@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > I hosed my Linux box the other day (living too close to > the edge) so had to reinstall. > > Reinstalled Ubuntu 10.04 followed by my licenced > version of RunRev 4 for Linux; 60 minutes. > > The connected via revOnline to JLG's Metacard > setup stack and had Metacard 4 up and running > inside 10 minutes: Wow, Wow and Wow again! > > Thank you Jacque! You're a star. Thanks. Glad it's still working well and that it's useful. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 22 15:19:11 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 22:19:11 +0300 Subject: [OT] Emsisoft Message-ID: <4BF82E2F.70602@gmail.com> I have been sorting out several machines for a client; an office that uses a mixture of machines running Windows XP, Ubuntu and MintLinux. The Windows machines work in an intranet that has no connexion to the internet or to the other intranet consisting of the Linux boxes that are connected to the internet. One job I had to do was to take 2 hard disks out of a Pentium 4 running XP and pop them into a faster machine. However the machine was running slowly and behaving queerly; so, although it has not direct contact with the internet I thought "just for fun" I would run some anti-virus stuff on it. I downloaded Emsisoft because it allows one a 3 day full-featured trial. It is extremely impressive insofar as it does a job which I don't believe should be necessary on any operating system in an efficient manner. Well my "just for fun" very rapidly became "egg all over the face" when it became clear that the Windows machines were infected with an even dozen of "nasties"; the most ugly being Trojan.Win32.FakeAV!IK and Trojan-Downloader.Agent!IK The only way I can account for these computers having become infected is through workers in this office transferring infected MSWord and MSExcel files from the Linux boxes to the Windows ones with USB Flash drives. The only other possibility is that the staff are being 'disingenuous', and have also been using their Flash drives on computers running Windows at home or elsewhere. --------------------------------------------------------------- As an essentially Non-Windows person (and my recent finding only serves to make me even more 'Non' than I was before) I should be very grateful if somebody who knows more about this than I do (well, that shouldn't be difficult) could tell me: 1. Can virusus / trojans attach themselves to MSWord / Excel documents? 2. Can viruses be downloaded simultaneously as documents onto USB sticks plugged into Linux boxes that then infect Windows boxes on transfer? sincerely, Richmond Mathewson From rjearp at hotmail.com Sat May 22 15:38:31 2010 From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 12:38:31 -0700 Subject: libURLftpCommand help required please.... Message-ID: I'm trying to send an ftp command to a site, and being a neophyte at these things I'm not having much success. This is what I'm using, what's wrong with it ? put libURLftpCommand("LIST",ashford.ca,test at ashford.ca,"myTest") into fld "results" The example above is using LIST as the ftp command, ashford.ca as the host address, test at ashford.ca is the username and myTest is the password. If I use the same parameters in FileZilla all works OK. Yes, these are all real parameters, at least until I get things going and delete the ftp site ;-) Eventually I'm hoping to read & write permissions of a file in that location. When I finally get things going I promise I'll share a sample app that demos how this all works, for anybody who is interested. Then again, maybe there is one already out there somewhere ? Many thanks in advance, Bob... Bob Earp - White Rock, British Columbia _________________________________________________________________ MSN Dating: Find someone special. Start now. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9729707 From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat May 22 15:44:32 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 21:44:32 +0200 Subject: libURLftpCommand help required please.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A191C15-A282-4FEC-A2A1-0E34220B0661@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Bob, First of all, we'll need to know the result or any errors that occur. Second, it seems that you forgot a few quotes: put libURLftpCommand("LIST","ashford.ca","test at ashford.ca","myTest") into fld "results" and third the address almost always consists of 3 elements, e.g. ftp.ashford.ca . -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 22 mei 2010, at 21:38, Bob Earp wrote: > > I'm trying to send an ftp command to a site, and being a neophyte at > these things I'm not having much success. This is what I'm using, > what's wrong with it ? > put libURLftpCommand("LIST",ashford.ca,test at ashford.ca,"myTest") > into fld "results" > The example above is using LIST as the ftp command, ashford.ca as > the host address, test at ashford.ca is the username and myTest is the > password. If I use the same parameters in FileZilla all works OK. > Yes, these are all real parameters, at least until I get things > going and delete the ftp site ;-) > Eventually I'm hoping to read & write permissions of a file in that > location. When I finally get things going I promise I'll share a > sample app that demos how this all works, for anybody who is > interested. Then again, maybe there is one already out there > somewhere ? > Many thanks in advance, Bob... > Bob Earp - White Rock, British Columbia From nealk3nc at gmail.com Sat May 22 16:20:38 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:20:38 -0400 Subject: [OT] Emsisoft In-Reply-To: <4BF82E2F.70602@gmail.com> References: <4BF82E2F.70602@gmail.com> Message-ID: Some of the nastiest and earliest viruses were macro viruses in excel and word documents. Most corporate machines prevent macro's from allowable execution without a warning (if they allow it at all). Also, thumb drives are possibly the biggest threat to corporate computers. An audit team from a top 3 firm I know tested the security mechanisms in a company by dropping infected thumb drives in the parking lot and watching how people picked them up and plugged them into the corporate computers. As the thumb drives, like cds/dvds, will play an autoplay file when mounted, its a perfect way to inject a virus if people allow it to run. Most secure shops prohibit thumb drives. Best wishes Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software From jim at visitrieve.com Sat May 22 16:20:36 2010 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:20:36 -1000 Subject: libURLftpCommand help required please.... In-Reply-To: <1A191C15-A282-4FEC-A2A1-0E34220B0661@economy-x-talk.com> References: <1A191C15-A282-4FEC-A2A1-0E34220B0661@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <005801caf9ec$3daa75e0$b8ff61a0$@com> And fourth, which version of Rev are you using? Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Bob, > > First of all, we'll need to know the result or any errors that occur. > Second, it seems that you forgot a few quotes: > > put libURLftpCommand("LIST","ashford.ca","test at ashford.ca","myTest") > into fld "results" > > and third the address almost always consists of 3 elements, e.g. > ftp.ashford.ca > . > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a > quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and > share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 22 mei 2010, at 21:38, Bob Earp wrote: > > > > > I'm trying to send an ftp command to a site, and being a neophyte at > > these things I'm not having much success. This is what I'm using, > > what's wrong with it ? > > put libURLftpCommand("LIST",ashford.ca,test at ashford.ca,"myTest") > > into fld "results" > > The example above is using LIST as the ftp command, ashford.ca as > > the host address, test at ashford.ca is the username and myTest is the > > password. If I use the same parameters in FileZilla all works OK. > > Yes, these are all real parameters, at least until I get things > > going and delete the ftp site ;-) > > Eventually I'm hoping to read & write permissions of a file in that > > location. When I finally get things going I promise I'll share a > > sample app that demos how this all works, for anybody who is > > interested. Then again, maybe there is one already out there > > somewhere ? > > Many thanks in advance, Bob... > > Bob Earp - White Rock, British Columbia > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat May 22 16:27:56 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:27:56 -0700 Subject: Stack in memory problem In-Reply-To: <1A191C15-A282-4FEC-A2A1-0E34220B0661@economy-x-talk.com> References: <1A191C15-A282-4FEC-A2A1-0E34220B0661@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <4BF83E4C.7080802@comcast.net> OK, so I got the "A stack with the same name as the one you are trying to load is already open" message and I've tried all the options: Save - Purge - Cancel and nothing gets me anywhere. I quit Rev, start it up again and get the same message when I try to open one of the stacks. I quit, reboot the computer, try it again and I still can't get the same message and the stack won't open . . . Is this weird or what? How can it still be in memory after quitting or rebooting? Thanks for any help, Mart Knapp From rman at free.fr Sat May 22 16:30:42 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1274560242649-2227432.post@n4.nabble.com> I find their licensing terms really fine and I like their attitude too. This library really smells good to me. So I have emailed them too. Technically I have not yet used external libraries. As I understand it we have to create a runrev wrapper in the X code environment. I guess if one makes one, it can be used by any other, so long their usage sticks to the license. Since there is a free step and we should to test it out, if it was something easy to do for an externals "specialist", it would be a great help to share this wrapper. (I took time to read the rev artice on how to use externals). Also, considering the technicalities of dealing with audio, I understand that runrev have not commited to it. Now a specific global agreement allowing runrev to incorporate the major most required functions would be great!! Special needs would be covered by an additional library with a direct license from BASS. Anybody in touch with the runrev team personnaly? As for sharing things over here, I 'll exchange the BASS wrapper for the workaround audio trick I found to record mp3 in a stack, as shared revOnline stacks! My position is to share technical tricks that should not pose problems ("normally" or "ideally"?) but that in practice lead to headaches... that one should not wish for your neigbhour!!! Stephen Barncard-4 wrote: > > I saw no wrong on the licensing. I like their attitude, their pricing > model. > Pretty reasonable, even cheap, if one would ask me. Look, this stuff is > used > for professional applications, is not easy to write, and the authors > deserve > payment. And they are not charging royalties. How could one expect > quality, > free, and supported to be in the same product? > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Getting-an-Audio-Plugin-Created-was-RE-audio-Call-for-anupdated-enhanced-quicktime-audio-library-ora-tp2226630p2227432.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 22 16:34:20 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 23:34:20 +0300 Subject: [OT] Emsisoft In-Reply-To: References: <4BF82E2F.70602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BF83FCC.80101@gmail.com> On 22/05/2010 23:20, Neal Campbell wrote: > Some of the nastiest and earliest viruses were macro viruses in excel and > word documents. Most corporate machines prevent macro's from allowable > execution without a warning (if they allow it at all). Also, thumb drives > are possibly the biggest threat to corporate computers. An audit team from a > top 3 firm I know tested the security mechanisms in a company by dropping > infected thumb drives in the parking lot and watching how people picked them > up and plugged them into the corporate computers. > > As the thumb drives, like cds/dvds, will play an autoplay file when mounted, > its a perfect way to inject a virus if people allow it to run. > > Most secure shops prohibit thumb drives. Thank you for that useful information. However; all my client's computers (whether they run Windows or Linux) use Open Office; I was unaware that a Word Macro virus could operate via Open Office. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat May 22 16:36:52 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1274560612774-2227435.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi all, Remember these externals that plays MOD music: For Mac OS X, Andre Garzia published in 2007: RevMikMod is an external for MacOS X Runtime Revolution. It is built upon on MikMod library which is licensed with LGPL, so this is freeware with source. This external uses Carbon Thread API, the music will play on another thread so there's no performance issue. You can play only one music at a time but you can change speed, tempo and volume. http://andregarzia.com/revmikmod.html http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/msg98790.html FMODforRev external published by Bill Griffin & Tobias Opfermann in 2003, http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2003-October/025163.html Fmod is a music library that is free to use in freeware products, and costs varying amounts of money for other shareware and commercial uses. http://www.fmod.org/ has more info on that. (Not available from authors website, but probably some developers have these externals among their Backup files) Mac Version: http://www.igame3d.com/FMODforRev.sit PC Version: http://www.igame3d.com/FMODforRev.zip Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Getting-an-Audio-Plugin-Created-was-RE-audio-Call-for-anupdated-enhanced-quicktime-audio-library-ora-tp2226750p2227435.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 22 16:42:06 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:42:06 -0700 Subject: [OT] Emsisoft In-Reply-To: References: <4BF82E2F.70602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <127-974408125.20100522134206@ahsoftware.net> Neal- Saturday, May 22, 2010, 1:20:38 PM, you wrote: > Most secure shops prohibit thumb drives. ...and disable autoplay as well. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From support at ahsomme.com Sat May 22 16:43:23 2010 From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 08:43:23 +1200 Subject: Stack in memory problem In-Reply-To: <4BF83E4C.7080802@comcast.net> References: <1A191C15-A282-4FEC-A2A1-0E34220B0661@economy-x-talk.com> <4BF83E4C.7080802@comcast.net> Message-ID: Marty, I've had a few incidences of this, where the only thing that worked was to shut down the computer (not just restart it). A complete shut down always worked. Fortunately, this has been very rare - once or twice a year. Good luck. Paul Looney On 23/05/2010, at 8:27 AM, Marty Knapp wrote: > OK, so I got the "A stack with the same name as the one you are > trying to load is already open" message and I've tried all the > options: Save - Purge - Cancel and nothing gets me anywhere. I quit > Rev, start it up again and get the same message when I try to open > one of the stacks. I quit, reboot the computer, try it again and I > still can't get the same message and the stack won't open . . . Is > this weird or what? How can it still be in memory after quitting or > rebooting? > > Thanks for any help, > > Mart Knapp > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 22 16:46:28 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:46:28 -0700 Subject: Stack in memory problem In-Reply-To: <4BF83E4C.7080802@comcast.net> References: <1A191C15-A282-4FEC-A2A1-0E34220B0661@economy-x-talk.com> <4BF83E4C.7080802@comcast.net> Message-ID: <175-974145843.20100522134628@ahsoftware.net> Marty- Saturday, May 22, 2010, 1:27:56 PM, you wrote: > OK, so I got the "A stack with the same name as the one you are trying > to load is already open" message and I've tried all the options: Save - What's the name of the stack you're trying to open? Could it be the same as one of the existing stacks in the IDE or a plugin stack? -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 22 16:47:52 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:47:52 -0700 Subject: [OT] Emsisoft In-Reply-To: <4BF83FCC.80101@gmail.com> References: <4BF82E2F.70602@gmail.com> <4BF83FCC.80101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7-974061671.20100522134752@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- Saturday, May 22, 2010, 1:34:20 PM, you wrote: > However; all my client's computers (whether they run Windows or Linux) > use Open Office; I was unaware that a Word Macro virus could operate > via Open Office. If macro execution is not disabled then there's no reason why a macro virus shouldn't propagate. I realize that's tautological, but you asked... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat May 22 17:00:50 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 14:00:50 -0700 Subject: Stack in memory problem In-Reply-To: <175-974145843.20100522134628@ahsoftware.net> References: <1A191C15-A282-4FEC-A2A1-0E34220B0661@economy-x-talk.com> <4BF83E4C.7080802@comcast.net> <175-974145843.20100522134628@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4BF84602.7050905@comcast.net> The name isn't a problem - it's not a plugin or IDE stack name. I've been using it for over a year. I do have another stack of the same name in a different directory. When I build a standalone I take the original and do some things to it, then copy it to a different folder before the build. On the rare occasions I've had trouble before, I just quit and restarted. The weird part now is that the problem persists after quiting and even after rebooting the computer. It's like there's something in a cache file or something. I've even loaded up the project in a secondary copy of Rev and get the same problem . . . Marty > Marty- > > Saturday, May 22, 2010, 1:27:56 PM, you wrote: > > >> OK, so I got the "A stack with the same name as the one you are trying >> to load is already open" message and I've tried all the options: Save - >> > > What's the name of the stack you're trying to open? Could it be the > same as one of the existing stacks in the IDE or a plugin stack? > > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 22 17:08:15 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 00:08:15 +0300 Subject: [OT] Emsisoft In-Reply-To: <7-974061671.20100522134752@ahsoftware.net> References: <4BF82E2F.70602@gmail.com> <4BF83FCC.80101@gmail.com> <7-974061671.20100522134752@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4BF847BF.8040708@gmail.com> On 22/05/2010 23:47, Mark Wieder wrote: > Richmond- > > Saturday, May 22, 2010, 1:34:20 PM, you wrote: > >> However; all my client's computers (whether they run Windows or Linux) >> use Open Office; I was unaware that a Word Macro virus could operate >> via Open Office. > If macro execution is not disabled then there's no reason why a macro > virus shouldn't propagate. I realize that's tautological, but you > asked... > Right; first thing tomorrow I will have to disable macro execution on all 10 machines. Thanks so much. As 99% of my work is with Linux and Mac I had actually forgotten about Word Macro viruses, although I had one messing up my LC 475 in illinois a while back. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat May 22 17:33:50 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:33:50 -0500 Subject: Stack in memory problem In-Reply-To: <4BF84602.7050905@comcast.net> References: <1A191C15-A282-4FEC-A2A1-0E34220B0661@economy-x-talk.com> <4BF83E4C.7080802@comcast.net> <175-974145843.20100522134628@ahsoftware.net> <4BF84602.7050905@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BF84DBE.5000608@hyperactivesw.com> Marty Knapp wrote: > The name isn't a problem - it's not a plugin or IDE stack name. I've > been using it for over a year. I do have another stack of the same name > in a different directory. When I build a standalone I take the original > and do some things to it, then copy it to a different folder before the > build. On the rare occasions I've had trouble before, I just quit and > restarted. The weird part now is that the problem persists after quiting > and even after rebooting the computer. It's like there's something in a > cache file or something. I've even loaded up the project in a secondary > copy of Rev and get the same problem . . . It sounds like the stack is opening automatically on launch. If it isn't a rev-related stack, then look for a plugin or frontscript that opens it, puts it in use, or requests data from it. Any of those things will load it into memory. Also, the next time you have it open, make sure the destroystack property is set to true. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sat May 22 18:32:44 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:32:44 -0700 Subject: When it reaches Newsweek.... In-Reply-To: <201005220951.24189.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> References: <201005220951.24189.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <8617748A0E4B4CB1A9C1395A8E360E70@GATEWAY> > http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/techtonicshifts/archive/2010/05 > /20/sayonara- > iphone-why-i-m-switching-to-android.aspx > > MSM is noticing, its getting dangerous: > > "Today the battlefield is mobile devices, and just as before, > Apple jumped out to an early lead. And just as before, Jobs > got selfish. He won't support Flash, or any cross-platform > tools-because he wants developers locked into his platform, > and his App Store, where he collects a 30 percent commission." Just begging for comments :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From cszasz at mac.com Sat May 22 18:32:53 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: altAccordion problem Message-ID: <1274567573052-2227508.post@n4.nabble.com> I am having problems with the accordion menu that I created with altAccordion. The appearance of my menu has gray headers and the sub headers have a white background with black fonts on my Mac. When I make standalones, the menu has the same appearance on my Mac but in Windows XP the green background of my card bleeds through my menu changing the gray and white to green. I read the docs but there is nothing pertaining to the color of the menu created with altAccordion. And the Inspector show not show any color selected although the menu is gray. Anybody have any suggestions on how to fix this problem? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/altAccordion-problem-tp2227508p2227508.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From katir at hindu.org Sat May 22 18:35:49 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 12:35:49 -1000 Subject: Monitor Shell Copy File Progress Message-ID: <4BF85C45.4050006@hindu.org> Work working on an in-house file manager - RCS for Indesign (since Adobe did an "end of life" for Version Cue) It's coming along well, in fact really well. One challenge is that I'm using lots of these: put ("mv " & quote & gLocalFilePath & quote &" "& quote & (gLocalProjectPath& "/"& tShortFileName) & quote) into tShell get shell (tShell) put ("cp " & quote & (gLocalProjectPath& "/"& tShortFileName) & quote &" "& quote & (gServerProjectPath& "/"& tShortFileName) & quote) into tShell get shell (tShell) to more files around and rename them... it works great. Is there a way to monitor a background shell process like this? The problem is if you copy from the Big Server on the LAN... to my Little MacBook Pro... you won't know when the file is completely copied to the local hard drive before doing: launch (gLocalProjectPath &"/" & pFileName) with the uInDesignPath of this stack Typically RunRev will issue the unix cp command and then immediately launch inDesign, which "crokes" because the file is incomplete on the local hard drive. Now I have some ideas about how to do this: get the checksum some of the remote file, do a send in 30 ticks (repeatedly) test of the local file until the local file's checksum matches the remote file and then launch it. But before I go after this, I was wondering if anyone had any other method? Most "cool" would be a progress bar, but I'm not sure RunRev can monitor a local unix copy file process....or, if it can, how to do it. Thanks! Sivakatirswami From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat May 22 18:51:04 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:51:04 -0700 Subject: Stack in memory problem In-Reply-To: <4BF84DBE.5000608@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1A191C15-A282-4FEC-A2A1-0E34220B0661@economy-x-talk.com> <4BF83E4C.7080802@comcast.net> <175-974145843.20100522134628@ahsoftware.net> <4BF84602.7050905@comcast.net> <4BF84DBE.5000608@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BF85FD8.6070000@comcast.net> I figured it out - this stack is a template and I have an openstack routine to check a version number to see if it needs to be updated. The stack that it checks is the same name as my original so I scripted around that and I'm fine. Thanks to Paul, Mark and Jacque for the input though! Once you figure these things out it seems so clear! Marty > Marty Knapp wrote: >> The name isn't a problem - it's not a plugin or IDE stack name. I've >> been using it for over a year. I do have another stack of the same >> name in a different directory. When I build a standalone I take the >> original and do some things to it, then copy it to a different folder >> before the build. On the rare occasions I've had trouble before, I >> just quit and restarted. The weird part now is that the problem >> persists after quiting and even after rebooting the computer. It's >> like there's something in a cache file or something. I've even loaded >> up the project in a secondary copy of Rev and get the same problem . . . > > It sounds like the stack is opening automatically on launch. If it > isn't a rev-related stack, then look for a plugin or frontscript that > opens it, puts it in use, or requests data from it. Any of those > things will load it into memory. Also, the next time you have it open, > make sure the destroystack property is set to true. > From herz at ucsd.edu Sat May 22 18:54:56 2010 From: herz at ucsd.edu (Richard K. Herz) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:54:56 -0700 Subject: revWeb - revlet - examples please Message-ID: <4BF860C0.9000806@ucsd.edu> Do you have web pages with revlets? I would appreciate receiving a link to your site. I plan to present a talk about making interactive simulations with revMedia at an on-line learning conference in July. My revlets are math-oriented. I would like to provide links, with attribution, to revlets that also demonstrate graphics, multimedia, database use, etc. So far, I know of Sarah's page and that of Kirk Hagen. Thanks! Rich Herz --- Sarah's revlets http://www.troz.net/rev/index.irev?category=Revlets#stacks Kirk Hagen's revlets http://lkirkhagen.com/portfolio.htm My revlets www.simzlab.com/revlets Link to talk abstract: http://www.sloanconsortium.org/et4online/you-can-build-interactive-web-simulations-yourself From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Sat May 22 19:02:56 2010 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 00:02:56 +0100 Subject: libURLftpCommand help required please.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 22 May 2010, at 20:38, Bob Earp wrote: > > I'm trying to send an ftp command to a site, and being a neophyte at these things I'm not having much success. This is what I'm using, what's wrong with it ? > put libURLftpCommand("LIST",ashford.ca,test at ashford.ca,"myTest") into fld "results" Bob, you won't be able to get LIST to work like this. libURLftpCommand sends ftp commands through the ftp command connection. But the actual listing data is transferred over a separate data connection. This requires opening a separate socket after you get a response to the LIST command. However, you don't need to do that. A simple "get url" to a directory on an ftp server actually performs a LIST command for you. So something like this: put url "ftp://myname:mypassword at my.server.com/images/" into tListData Cheers Dave From bobs at twft.com Sat May 22 19:09:24 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:09:24 -0700 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ruslan. 2 things weigh against your assessment. First, one of the databases is remote and it happens to be the one I am querying 1 record at a time. The second thing is that to my knowledge you cannot create joins between 2 tables in different databases. The source database is a local file based SQLite database to further complicate matters. I want to employ a method that could work with databases of 1000 records or 1,000,000 records. To do that means I cannot risk memory overflow in runrev by huge query results. For this particular application I would never hit that limit, but what if I want to take the functionality of my data import module and make it available by itself?it needs to work in all situations or not at all. That's how I think. My goal here is to import/merge data from a Spiceworks database of devices, software and other things. But in the future it could be anything. I am learning the limitations of querying remote SQL servers. For this application I think a local SQL server would be much better, but for the dev phase where I am out and about with my laptop on-rev will suffice. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Calvary Chapel CM Sent from iPhone On May 21, 2010, at 22:58, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: > ?excuse me but this still sounds like a very bad result. > SQL dbs can make joins of thousands records in say .001 sec From bobs at twft.com Sat May 22 19:17:14 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:17:14 -0700 Subject: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev In-Reply-To: References: <873BF90E-1A26-4ED6-B690-12FF2E715CE6@twft.com> Message-ID: <550DED71-8A59-4902-B519-2C1E65A0EA62@twft.com> Sure but read my recent posts on the limitations of a remote SQL server. Not a speed demon by any means. On-rev SQL is really primarily intended as a backend database for you web based apps. The way I am going at it has shown me that with certain applications I face serious limitations using a remote SQL. I should add a disclaimer to my app, "don't try this at home!" Bob Sneidar IT Manager Calvary Chapel CM Sent from iPhone On May 22, 2010, at 3:25, Kay C Lan wrote: > I appreciate that for LAN use, a non-profit can use mySQL free > whilst a > commercial adventure has to pay. I'm just surprised that a commercial > enterprise can save money by moving it's db off a LAN and onto a web > host > and have someone else pay their mySQL licensing fees From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat May 22 19:20:46 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:20:46 -0700 Subject: altAccordion problem In-Reply-To: <1274567573052-2227508.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1274567573052-2227508.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: have you contacted the author, Chipp Walters? On 22 May 2010 15:32, charles61 wrote: > > I am having problems with the accordion menu that I created with > altAccordion. The appearance of my menu has gray headers and the sub > headers > have a white background with black fonts on my Mac. When I make > standalones, > the menu has the same appearance on my Mac but in Windows XP the green > background of my card bleeds through my menu changing the gray and white to > green. > > I read the docs but there is nothing pertaining to the color of the menu > created with altAccordion. And the Inspector show not show any color > selected although the menu is gray. > > Anybody have any suggestions on how to fix this problem? > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/altAccordion-problem-tp2227508p2227508.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From revdev at pdslabs.net Sat May 22 19:25:07 2010 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 11:25:07 +1200 Subject: [OT] Divine Bliss In-Reply-To: <4BF80CFE.9080400@gmail.com> References: <4BF80CFE.9080400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BF867D3.5090900@pdslabs.net> On 23/05/10 4:57 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > While I wouldn't advocate giving "everything else > up", I would advocate getting into RunRev in a big > way; the deeper one digs the more 'gold' one > finds Amen! Phil Davis From bobs at twft.com Sat May 22 19:30:02 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:30:02 -0700 Subject: codes.widged In-Reply-To: <4BF801F5.6060309@fourthworld.com> References: <4BF801F5.6060309@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <36858040-973E-4B80-A63D-CA9426072635@twft.com> Let all who read this take heed and consider it well. A lot of crap is spouted in every arena of communications these days, without one shred of real data, study or science to back it up. What we seem to have lost, and what we desperately need to regain dear friends, is a love for Truth that exceeds our own love of self or self-rightness. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Calvary Chapel CM Sent from iPhone On May 22, 2010, at 9:10, Richard Gaskin wrote: > When attacks are posted anonymously that should be a warning sign to > the reader that the material may be suspect. Earnest writers stand > behind their words From alex at tweedly.net Sat May 22 20:26:53 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 01:26:53 +0100 Subject: Monitor Shell Copy File Progress In-Reply-To: <4BF85C45.4050006@hindu.org> References: <4BF85C45.4050006@hindu.org> Message-ID: <4BF8764D.7060002@tweedly.net> First thought : I thought (according to Dictionary) that "shell" would wait until the command was complete before returning - dictionary says > The current handler pauses until the shell returns its result. If the > command was successful but did not return anything, the shell function > returns empty. Second try : why take a checksum, why not just use the file size ? Getting the checksum may involve copying the file from the remote server into your laptop to calculate the checksum. Third try : instead of doing "shell 'cp file ....' " could you do load url ("file:" & tRemotepathname) .... check the cachedURLs .... put url("file:" & tRemotepathname) into url('file:" & tLocalfilename) -- Alex. On 22/05/2010 23:35, Sivakatirswami wrote: > Work working on an in-house file manager - RCS for Indesign (since > Adobe did an "end of life" for Version Cue) > > It's coming along well, in fact really well. > > One challenge is that I'm using lots of these: > > put ("mv " & quote & gLocalFilePath & quote &" "& quote & > (gLocalProjectPath& "/"& tShortFileName) & quote) into tShell > get shell (tShell) > > put ("cp " & quote & (gLocalProjectPath& "/"& tShortFileName) & > quote &" "& quote & (gServerProjectPath& "/"& tShortFileName) & quote) > into tShell > get shell (tShell) > > to more files around and rename them... it works great. > > Is there a way to monitor a background shell process like this? > > The problem is if you copy from the Big Server on the LAN... to my > Little MacBook Pro... you won't know when the file is completely > copied to the local hard drive before doing: > > launch (gLocalProjectPath &"/" & pFileName) with the > uInDesignPath of this stack > > Typically RunRev will issue the unix cp command and then immediately > launch inDesign, which "crokes" because the file is incomplete on the > local hard drive. > > Now I have some ideas about how to do this: get the checksum some of > the remote file, do a send in 30 ticks (repeatedly) test of the local > file until the local file's checksum matches the remote file and then > launch it. > > But before I go after this, I was wondering if anyone had any other > method? Most "cool" would be a progress bar, but I'm not sure RunRev > can monitor a local unix copy file process....or, if it can, how to do > it. > > Thanks! > Sivakatirswami > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 22 20:40:35 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 17:40:35 -0700 Subject: Stack in memory problem In-Reply-To: <4BF85FD8.6070000@comcast.net> References: <1A191C15-A282-4FEC-A2A1-0E34220B0661@economy-x-talk.com> <4BF83E4C.7080802@comcast.net> <175-974145843.20100522134628@ahsoftware.net> <4BF84602.7050905@comcast.net> <4BF84DBE.5000608@hyperactivesw.com> <4BF85FD8.6070000@comcast.net> Message-ID: <42-960099406.20100522174035@ahsoftware.net> Marty- Saturday, May 22, 2010, 3:51:04 PM, you wrote: > though! Once you figure these things out it seems so clear! Yeah - hindsight is a wonderful tool. I wish the IDE had it built in so I could turn in on *before* I get into trouble. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From cszasz at mac.com Sat May 22 20:57:53 2010 From: cszasz at mac.com (charles61) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 17:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: altAccordion problem In-Reply-To: References: <1274567573052-2227508.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0B7CA0BF-4DC3-44CE-8899-0E8C2DE9CD20@mac.com> Steve, I did contact Chipp and sent him a screenshot of my menu but I have not heard anything from him. Charles Szasz cszasz at mac.com On May 22, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Stephen Barncard-4 [via Runtime Revolution] wrote: > have you contacted the author, Chipp Walters? > > On 22 May 2010 15:32, charles61 <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > I am having problems with the accordion menu that I created with > > altAccordion. The appearance of my menu has gray headers and the sub > > headers > > have a white background with black fonts on my Mac. When I make > > standalones, > > the menu has the same appearance on my Mac but in Windows XP the green > > background of my card bleeds through my menu changing the gray and white to > > green. > > > > I read the docs but there is nothing pertaining to the color of the menu > > created with altAccordion. And the Inspector show not show any color > > selected although the menu is gray. > > > > Anybody have any suggestions on how to fix this problem? > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/altAccordion-problem-tp2227508p2227508.html > > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > [hidden email] > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > Back home in SF > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/altAccordion-problem-tp2227508p2227527.html > To unsubscribe from altAccordion problem, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/altAccordion-problem-tp2227508p2227550.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From martyknapp at comcast.net Sat May 22 21:02:13 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:02:13 -0700 Subject: Stack in memory problem In-Reply-To: <42-960099406.20100522174035@ahsoftware.net> References: <1A191C15-A282-4FEC-A2A1-0E34220B0661@economy-x-talk.com> <4BF83E4C.7080802@comcast.net> <175-974145843.20100522134628@ahsoftware.net> <4BF84602.7050905@comcast.net> <4BF84DBE.5000608@hyperactivesw.com> <4BF85FD8.6070000@comcast.net> <42-960099406.20100522174035@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4BF87E95.9080405@comcast.net> That's it - a Hindsight plug-in for tRev :) > Marty- > > Saturday, May 22, 2010, 3:51:04 PM, you wrote: > > >> though! Once you figure these things out it seems so clear! >> > > Yeah - hindsight is a wonderful tool. I wish the IDE had it built in > so I could turn in on *before* I get into trouble. > > From rman at free.fr Sat May 22 21:06:10 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Datagrid] How to : skip rows appearing, without deleting them in dgData? Message-ID: <1274576770425-2227554.post@n4.nabble.com> The point is to be able to navigate through a data-tree structure. Datagrid doc and runrev "how to's" show how to implement a foldable row, that can show more or less information but from the same row. To navigate within a data tree structure, there is a need to by-pass the drawing of some lines (not wanted children rows, or not wanted father rows). Within the layout script of a row, I tried to set the rect row to "0,0,0,0". This works fine... the line/row disappears. But then... when you navigate with the arrow in the datagrid, the selected line disappers, while it hilites the unvisible row... forcing the user to press again the navigation arrow at that point. So : no good! Is there a more radical and more efficient way to skip lines without deleting them from the dgData ? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Datagrid-How-to-skip-rows-appearing-without-deleting-them-in-dgData-tp2227554p2227554.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 22 21:08:28 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:08:28 -0700 Subject: Stack in memory problem In-Reply-To: <4BF87E95.9080405@comcast.net> References: <1A191C15-A282-4FEC-A2A1-0E34220B0661@economy-x-talk.com> <4BF83E4C.7080802@comcast.net> <175-974145843.20100522134628@ahsoftware.net> <4BF84602.7050905@comcast.net> <4BF84DBE.5000608@hyperactivesw.com> <4BF85FD8.6070000@comcast.net> <42-960099406.20100522174035@ahsoftware.net> <4BF87E95.9080405@comcast.net> Message-ID: <64-958426343.20100522180828@ahsoftware.net> Marty- Saturday, May 22, 2010, 6:02:13 PM, you wrote: > That's it - a Hindsight plug-in for tRev :) If you build it they have already come... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 22 21:11:01 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:11:01 -0700 Subject: [OT] A Big, Big Thank You to JLG! In-Reply-To: <4BF7906A.6080902@gmail.com> References: <4BF7906A.6080902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <157-958273093.20100522181101@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- I should mention that I spent literally months on and off trying to get MetaCard working by fiddling with the bits myself without success. Then I discovered Jacque's setup stack and in about the same 10 minutes I was up and running. Kudos. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From katir at hindu.org Sat May 22 21:26:01 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Web Admin Himalayan Academy) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:26:01 -1000 Subject: Monitor Shell Copy File Progress In-Reply-To: <4BF8764D.7060002@tweedly.net> References: <4BF85C45.4050006@hindu.org> <4BF8764D.7060002@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <4BF88429.30902@hindu.org> Aloha, Alex: Nalla Cintanai (Tamil for "good thoughts" also the name of a famous book in our tradition) Hmmm, I will have to test that "wait" for shell completion. I'm not seeing that behavior at the moment, it sure seems like the next line runs immediately. I'll throw in an a put statement dialog immediately and watch. I think libURL uses the HTTP protocol. I'm thinking AFP will be faster and "better" Yes, Filesize, Oh, right... checksum is the wrong thing. I meant to parse the detailed files and use that. On 5/22/10 2:26 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > First thought : I thought (according to Dictionary) that "shell" would > wait until the command was complete before returning - dictionary says >> The current handler pauses until the shell returns its result. If the >> command was successful but did not return anything, the shell >> function returns empty. > Second try : why take a checksum, why not just use the file size ? > Getting the checksum may involve copying the file from the remote > server into your laptop to calculate the checksum. > > Third try : instead of doing "shell 'cp file ....' " could you do > load url ("file:" & tRemotepathname) > .... check the cachedURLs .... > put url("file:" & tRemotepathname) into url('file:" & tLocalfilename) > > -- Alex. > > On 22/05/2010 23:35, Sivakatirswami wrote: >> I'm using lots of these: >> >> put ("cp " & quote & (gLocalProjectPath& "/"& tShortFileName) & >> quote &" "& quote & (gServerProjectPath& "/"& tShortFileName) & >> quote) into tShell >> get shell (tShell) >> >> to more files around >> >> Is there a way to monitor a background shell process like this? >> >> The problem is if you copy from the Big Server on the LAN... to my >> Little MacBook Pro... you won't know when the file is completely >> copied to the local hard drive before doing: >> >> launch (gLocalProjectPath &"/" & pFileName) with the >> uInDesignPath of this stack >> >> Typically RunRev will issue the unix cp command and then immediately >> launch inDesign, which "crokes" because the file is incomplete on the >> local hard drive. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 22 21:35:07 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:35:07 -0700 Subject: Remote SQL databases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <179-956826843.20100522183507@ahsoftware.net> Mark- Friday, May 21, 2010, 5:04:57 PM, you wrote: > SELECT cus.Customer_Number, cus.Customer_Name, ctyp.Customer_Type_Name > FROM database1.customers AS cus LEFT OUTER JOIN > database2.customer_types as ctyp ON cus.Customer_Type = > ctyp.Customer_Type_ID Nice one - someone actually found a use for an outer join. I've wracked my brain trying to come up with a situation where I'd want to use one, and never come up with anything. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sat May 22 21:44:11 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 21:44:11 -0400 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad Message-ID: I am moments away from ordering this thing. I mean for $189 including shipping, why not? I bought an iPod Touch to test my mobile apps, then we all know what happened there. Now, for several weeks I have been on a quest to find an Android device that feels right. I realize these guys are copying the look of the iPad, but that is what will probably lead many consumers to it. Not only that, but from my YouTube research, it appears to be one of the smoothest units at media playback because of the built-in DSP on the CPU. Even if the Apple license had not changed on us, I think I would have still held out for RunTime Android support rather than buying an iPad, but that's me. I prefer open systems anyway. Wfat Android devices are my fellow revMobile listers using or looking at getting? http://www.apad.co.cc/BuyItNow.html Here is a super low cost ($109) device, but it seems less responsive than the one above. http://www.euogo.com/7-inch-google-android-16-tablet-pc-umpc-mid-notebook-with-wifi_p229.html ~Roger Eller From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sat May 22 21:55:26 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 03:55:26 +0200 Subject: [ANN] Data Grid Helper - Column Builder Tool is in construction Message-ID: Dear List, We added new features in the Data Grid Helper: - new dialogs to edit margins and styles - a new tool to give free time with the manipulation of columns, templates and behaviors: The Column Builder The project still in development, so all is not perfect, but we have new screenshots and a new video for you to let you know how this new tool perfoms: http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=74:data-grid-helper&catid=41:tools-for-revolution&Itemid=64 Best regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From revdev at pdslabs.net Sat May 22 22:34:33 2010 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 14:34:33 +1200 Subject: Monitor Shell Copy File Progress In-Reply-To: <4BF8764D.7060002@tweedly.net> References: <4BF85C45.4050006@hindu.org> <4BF8764D.7060002@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <4BF89439.7030106@pdslabs.net> I bet you could use cURL for this, using the FILE protocol. Build your curl command line with filenames formatted for curl; open it as a process for read; read that process's output every 500 msecs or so to get the progress info. I'm on assignment in NZ right now so I don't have everything at my fingertips. Josh Mellicker made me aware of curl a few months ago, and Ken Ray may have made a rev library of it by now. ;-) Also Mark Smith created a rev curl lib some time ago. Food for thought... Phil Davis On 23/05/10 12:26 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > First thought : I thought (according to Dictionary) that "shell" would > wait until the command was complete before returning - dictionary says >> The current handler pauses until the shell returns its result. If the >> command was successful but did not return anything, the shell >> function returns empty. > Second try : why take a checksum, why not just use the file size ? > Getting the checksum may involve copying the file from the remote > server into your laptop to calculate the checksum. > > Third try : instead of doing "shell 'cp file ....' " could you do > load url ("file:" & tRemotepathname) > .... check the cachedURLs .... > put url("file:" & tRemotepathname) into url('file:" & tLocalfilename) > > -- Alex. > > On 22/05/2010 23:35, Sivakatirswami wrote: >> Work working on an in-house file manager - RCS for Indesign (since >> Adobe did an "end of life" for Version Cue) >> >> It's coming along well, in fact really well. >> >> One challenge is that I'm using lots of these: >> >> put ("mv " & quote & gLocalFilePath & quote &" "& quote & >> (gLocalProjectPath& "/"& tShortFileName) & quote) into tShell >> get shell (tShell) >> >> put ("cp " & quote & (gLocalProjectPath& "/"& tShortFileName) & >> quote &" "& quote & (gServerProjectPath& "/"& tShortFileName) & >> quote) into tShell >> get shell (tShell) >> >> to more files around and rename them... it works great. >> >> Is there a way to monitor a background shell process like this? >> >> The problem is if you copy from the Big Server on the LAN... to my >> Little MacBook Pro... you won't know when the file is completely >> copied to the local hard drive before doing: >> >> launch (gLocalProjectPath &"/" & pFileName) with the >> uInDesignPath of this stack >> >> Typically RunRev will issue the unix cp command and then immediately >> launch inDesign, which "crokes" because the file is incomplete on the >> local hard drive. >> >> Now I have some ideas about how to do this: get the checksum some of >> the remote file, do a send in 30 ticks (repeatedly) test of the local >> file until the local file's checksum matches the remote file and then >> launch it. >> >> But before I go after this, I was wondering if anyone had any other >> method? Most "cool" would be a progress bar, but I'm not sure RunRev >> can monitor a local unix copy file process....or, if it can, how to >> do it. >> >> Thanks! >> Sivakatirswami From coiin at verizon.net Sat May 22 22:35:58 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 22:35:58 -0400 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are a number of things you might want to worry about: The resolution is the same as the 4 inch Android phones. The screen is two inches smaller than the iPad. The CPU is 1/2-1/3 of the speed of other Android devices. It's perhaps close to the speed of an iPhone 3GS, but it has 2.5 times the number of pixels to drive. Its screen is resistive instead of the better capacitive touch, you may need to press harder to make things work. The battery capacity is 1/8th that of the iPad. The memory of the cheapest one is most likely 1/8th of the memory in the lowest end iPad. It comes with the 1.5 version of Android, which is not uncommon, but some features (such as Flash player 10.1) will need version 2.1. I'm not so confident that the device will be first in line to get OS updates. It is quite likely to have the typical number of touch points for low resolution Android devices, which means two at a time. iPad can be ten at a time. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 22 22:45:40 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:45:40 -0700 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17-952593484.20100522194540@ahsoftware.net> Colin- Saturday, May 22, 2010, 7:35:58 PM, you wrote: > There are a number of things you might want to worry about: The one I'd worry about is "Sorry, we don't accept Paypal, we accept credit card payment via Moneybookers." I'm holding out for more news on the eeePad myself. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sat May 22 23:04:48 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 23:04:48 -0400 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: <17-952593484.20100522194540@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Mark Wieder wrote: > Colin- > > Saturday, May 22, 2010, 7:35:58 PM, you wrote: > >> There are a number of things you might want to worry about: > > The one I'd worry about is "Sorry, we don't accept Paypal, we accept > credit card payment via Moneybookers." I'm holding out for more news > on the eeePad myself. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mark - What's an eeePad? Is it like the eeePC (I have one)? Or is it another Android device? I definitely want an Android device since that is where revMobile is going. Colin - I am not interested in the iPad. Not right now anyway. I appreciate the tech-spec comparison, but I just need something just good enough to test Android apps. I do like the look of the iPad, and that is why I mention the Apad. Because of the similar appearance, it will probably be very popular with lower income consumers. Therefore Android market share will increase even more, and that increases the success ratio for revMobile developers. Even lower income consumers will buy a killer app for 99 cents. ~Roger Eller From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat May 22 23:15:01 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 20:15:01 -0700 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: <17-952593484.20100522194540@ahsoftware.net> References: <17-952593484.20100522194540@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: I would worry about this paragraph - they seem to be on the edge of the law. I sense Hong Kong here. Do i have to pay custom taxes and duties? No, you don't have to. We will mark the Apad as gift at very low value so that you can avoid paying custom taxes and duties. On 22 May 2010 19:45, Mark Wieder wrote: > Colin- > > Saturday, May 22, 2010, 7:35:58 PM, you wrote: > > > There are a number of things you might want to worry about: > > The one I'd worry about is "Sorry, we don't accept Paypal, we accept > credit card payment via Moneybookers." I'm holding out for more news > on the eeePad myself. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 22 23:26:25 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 20:26:25 -0700 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23-950149046.20100522202625@ahsoftware.net> Roger- Saturday, May 22, 2010, 8:04:48 PM, you wrote: > Mark - What's an eeePad? Is it like the eeePC (I have one)? Or is it > another Android device? I definitely want an Android device since that is > where revMobile is going. Nothing's definite about the eeePad yet, I've seen some conflicting stories about it, and nothing's been "officially" announced, but there's a good bet that it'll be an Android device. http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100423PD207.html http://www.gadgetvenue.com/asus-eeepad-launch-july-04235635/ -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sat May 22 23:27:44 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 23:27:44 -0400 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: stephen barncard wrote: > I would worry about this paragraph - they seem to be on the edge of the law. > > I sense Hong Kong here. > > Do i have to pay custom taxes and duties? > No, you don't have to. We will mark the Apad as gift at very low value > so that you can avoid paying custom taxes and duties. I noticed that one in the FAQ too. This is only one of several suppliers of the device. This is the only one I have seen that makes that statement. It may be a more common practice than we know, just without saying it. ~Roger Eller From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 23 00:48:28 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 23:48:28 -0500 Subject: How to "Dial" Using Rev ? In-Reply-To: <4BF7FEE7.2090505@sbcglobal.net> References: <4BF7FEE7.2090505@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4BF8B39C.3040300@hyperactivesw.com> gary_aitcheson wrote: > > put "*67" before theNumber > open file "com3:" for write > write "ATS7=1L0DT" & theNumber & cr to file "com3:" > wait 5 secs > close file "com3:" > > I do not understand much of this, but it appears that it's usual > function is to dial a fax machine in order to transmit letters etc. I'm not sure what it's dialing, but what the script does is this, line by line: prefix the phone number with "*67" open a connection to the "com3" port on the PC, which is a serial port where presumably a modem is attached send the phone number digits and an end-of-line carriage return through the serial port to the modem wait a bit for the modem to get the data and start dialing close the connection to the port > > My problem is that I want to use this dialing program on my iMac running > OS X but unfortunately it does not function there. I imagine the > dialing code is similar, but figuring it out is beyond my expertise. > Does anyone have any suggestions at to what to do, where to look, who to > ask, etc ? The equivalent on a Mac would be identical, except instead of "com3" you'd want to use "modem" as the port specifier. Both the PC "com3" port and the Mac "modem" port are serial ports. Rev can write to those just fine, but the problem you will find on your iMac is that it won't have any serial ports; Macs haven't supported those for some years, nor do they ship any longer with internal modems. You can buy USB modems, but unfortunately Rev can't read or write to USB ports. So if you have an older Mac that has a real serial modem port, you can dial with the above script by substituting "modem" for the port. But on your iMac, no go. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun May 23 00:50:01 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 23:50:01 -0500 Subject: How to "Dial" Using Rev ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BF8B3F9.2050308@hyperactivesw.com> DunbarX at aol.com wrote: > But I only replied to say that I thought all HC commands were supported in > Rev to the extent that they at least did nothing. But there is no "dial" in > the dictionary. Are there others? Maybe, but I can't think of any offhand. I've never done a direct comparison though. If you get bored, you could. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun May 23 02:02:20 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 16:02:20 +1000 Subject: How to "Dial" Using Rev ? In-Reply-To: <4BF8B39C.3040300@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BF7FEE7.2090505@sbcglobal.net> <4BF8B39C.3040300@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: > The equivalent on a Mac would be identical, except instead of "com3" you'd > want to use "modem" as the port specifier. Both the PC "com3" port and the > Mac "modem" port are serial ports. Rev can write to those just fine, but the > problem you will find on your iMac is that it won't have any serial ports; > Macs haven't supported those for some years, nor do they ship any longer > with internal modems. You can buy USB modems, but unfortunately Rev can't > read or write to USB ports. > > So if you have an older Mac that has a real serial modem port, you can dial > with the above script by substituting "modem" for the port. But on your > iMac, no go. It depends how the USB modem is recognised by the system. If you have one, check "the driverNames". If the list includes something link "cu.modem.usb", then you can use that as the driver name and open a port to that device as described above. Cheers, Sarah From psahores at free.fr Sun May 23 03:37:31 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 09:37:31 +0200 Subject: howto export a styled formated field to text file Message-ID: <30BE7E08-101A-4061-B2FC-F2349944B710@free.fr> Dear All, I'm building some sort of html editor. The htmltext function is very usefull to output styled formated fields as HTML but my next need is to be able to store the text styled formated field (before its conversion to HTMLText) for future possible modification of the source text without having to rebuild all its styled attributes (font, height, color, etc...) each time i reload it to the field out of a text or database backup ? Any trick about how to act will be welcome. Thanks for any help. Best Regards, Pierre -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun May 23 04:00:36 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 01:00:36 -0700 Subject: howto export a styled formated field to text file In-Reply-To: <30BE7E08-101A-4061-B2FC-F2349944B710@free.fr> References: <30BE7E08-101A-4061-B2FC-F2349944B710@free.fr> Message-ID: Your question is confusing to me. Not sure what you are asking so I'll make assumptions. The only way to save styled text in a field is by using the HTMLText or RTFText properties of the field. Get the saved htmltext back from the database and set the field to the data. If it's a database, use an extra field in the DB to store the htmltext. If you need a file format for saving individual scripts for later editing, how about custom properties in stack files (rather than plain text files) as data storage? if you need to save formatted source html, just save the html as htmlText. It will look like hell, but it should work. maybe one of my answers is right? On 23 May 2010 00:37, Pierre Sahores wrote: > Dear All, > > I'm building some sort of html editor. The htmltext function is very > usefull to output styled formated fields as HTML but my next need is to be > able to store the text styled formated field (before its conversion to > HTMLText) for future possible modification of the source text without having > to rebuild all its styled attributes (font, height, color, etc...) each time > i reload it to the field out of a text or database backup ? > > Any trick about how to act will be welcome. Thanks for any help. > > Best Regards, Pierre > > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 > > www.woooooooords.com > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard Back home in SF From sims at ezpzapps.com Sun May 23 04:17:35 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 10:17:35 +0200 Subject: howto export a styled formated field to text file In-Reply-To: <30BE7E08-101A-4061-B2FC-F2349944B710@free.fr> References: <30BE7E08-101A-4061-B2FC-F2349944B710@free.fr> Message-ID: On May 23, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > I'm building some sort of html editor. The htmltext function is very usefull to output styled formated fields as HTML but my next need is to be able to store the text styled formated field (before its conversion to HTMLText) for future possible modification of the source text without having to rebuild all its styled attributes (font, height, color, etc...) each time i reload it to the field out of a text or database backup ? I know that you do a lot of server work, so I'll base my answer on that. I have a CGI Rev app and I store web page html and other bits of text/html as user properties. When my CGI app receives data, I splice what I want into these templates and place new bits into the web page for display. For example, one is a signup info page, that sends names-email add-telephone etc and then that data gets added into a protected web page. HTH sims From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sun May 23 04:22:54 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 16:22:54 +0800 Subject: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev In-Reply-To: <82A90EA657444A9D9494FF024C01AC5C@GATEWAY> References: <82A90EA657444A9D9494FF024C01AC5C@GATEWAY> Message-ID: On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Lynn Fredricks < lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote: > Valentina on On-Rev is still a topic on the table. The reality is that a > malicious curveball launched from a location in California is causing a > momentary distraction to all parties. > > Thanks Lynn for your comments. To be brutally honest, most of my comments here are purely to create noise. I can fully appreciate that Kevin has a LOT more important things on his plate right now. Given your connection with both RunRev and Paradigma I figure that some sort of tie up is inevitable, it's just a matter of when, in what form and for what cost. I was just beating the drum in expectation that the band would start soon ;-) From ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com Sun May 23 04:27:41 2010 From: ruslan_zasukhin at valentina-db.com (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 11:27:41 +0300 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 23/5/10 5:35 AM, "Colin Holgate" wrote: And ... No promise that next version of Android OS will work on this device. So you will be happy to trash it. IMO this is the most weak place of Android ... They go by MS way -- any hardware, open devices ... As result incredible zoo. Tons of drivers ... Overloaded systems ... > There are a number of things you might want to worry about: > > The resolution is the same as the 4 inch Android phones. > > The screen is two inches smaller than the iPad. > > The CPU is 1/2-1/3 of the speed of other Android devices. It's perhaps close > to the speed of an iPhone 3GS, but it has 2.5 times the number of pixels to > drive. > > Its screen is resistive instead of the better capacitive touch, you may need > to press harder to make things work. > > The battery capacity is 1/8th that of the iPad. > > The memory of the cheapest one is most likely 1/8th of the memory in the > lowest end iPad. > > It comes with the 1.5 version of Android, which is not uncommon, but some > features (such as Flash player 10.1) will need version 2.1. I'm not so > confident that the device will be first in line to get OS updates. > > It is quite likely to have the typical number of touch points for low > resolution Android devices, which means two at a time. iPad can be ten at a > time. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun May 23 04:50:24 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 18:50:24 +1000 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > And ... No promise that next version of Android OS will work on this device. > So you will be happy to trash it. > > IMO this is the most weak place of Android ... > > They go by MS way -- any hardware, open devices ... As result incredible > zoo. Tons of drivers ... Overloaded systems ... Yes, I agree with you there Ruslan. Except that I think Android is going to become the Linux of mobile devices, rather than the Microsoft. Cheers, Sarah From psahores at free.fr Sun May 23 05:57:29 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 11:57:29 +0200 Subject: howto export a styled formated field to text file In-Reply-To: References: <30BE7E08-101A-4061-B2FC-F2349944B710@free.fr> Message-ID: <07263A56-00B2-4396-B220-2D899BCCF9CA@free.fr> Stephen and sims, Many thanks for your helpfull imputs. The RTFText seems to cover all my expectations. (always read the manuel !). Kind Regards, Pierre Le 23 mai 2010 ? 10:00, stephen barncard a ?crit : > The only way to save styled text in a field is by using the HTMLText or > RTFText properties of the field. Get the saved htmltext back from the > database and set the field to the data. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From effendi at wanadoo.fr Sun May 23 06:52:32 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 12:52:32 +0200 Subject: Windows 7 question Message-ID: <9910A7A7-01B0-432C-A207-3E7A828935DC@wanadoo.fr> Hi from Beautiful Brittany, I wrote : > I use : if the platform = "Win32" then put line 1 of the volumes > into xxxxx which doesn't work on Windows 7 (gives me diskette "A:" ?????) > In the face of this problem, how can I pick up the systems disk ID in > a Windows 7 system ? Mark Schonewille (off forum) came up with the best answer (I think), not requiring a shell command. put item 1 of specialfolderpath("system") into xxxxx and strip off the "/WINDOWS" text ! And this works for all Windows systems that I know. Thanks Mark ! This post is just in case anybody else runs into the problem .... - Francis "Nothing should ever be done for the first time !" From psahores at free.fr Sun May 23 06:57:03 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 12:57:03 +0200 Subject: howto export a styled formated field to text file In-Reply-To: <07263A56-00B2-4396-B220-2D899BCCF9CA@free.fr> References: <30BE7E08-101A-4061-B2FC-F2349944B710@free.fr> <07263A56-00B2-4396-B220-2D899BCCF9CA@free.fr> Message-ID: <7DB54F9E-6E0C-46E4-B076-82A9FBB03A30@free.fr> Stephen, sims, 1. : i'm able to apply style attribute to a field contents (example : in changing the title line style font, wight, etc...) 2. : i'm, then, able to save this styled field contents as HTMLText or RTFText and it's OK Question : is it a way to retrieve 1.- from 2.- (HTMLText or RTFText back to the initial styled attributes that i had applied to the field contents first) ? No direct way ? Thanks for any starter point ! Pierre Le 23 mai 2010 ? 11:57, Pierre Sahores a ?crit : > Stephen and sims, > > Many thanks for your helpfull imputs. The RTFText seems to cover all my expectations. (always read the manuel !). > > Kind Regards, Pierre > > > Le 23 mai 2010 ? 10:00, stephen barncard a ?crit : > >> The only way to save styled text in a field is by using the HTMLText or >> RTFText properties of the field. Get the saved htmltext back from the >> database and set the field to the data. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From sims at ezpzapps.com Sun May 23 07:18:18 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 13:18:18 +0200 Subject: howto export a styled formated field to text file In-Reply-To: <7DB54F9E-6E0C-46E4-B076-82A9FBB03A30@free.fr> References: <30BE7E08-101A-4061-B2FC-F2349944B710@free.fr> <07263A56-00B2-4396-B220-2D899BCCF9CA@free.fr> <7DB54F9E-6E0C-46E4-B076-82A9FBB03A30@free.fr> Message-ID: <057FAE58-6059-4995-9240-72964FCD8894@ezpzapps.com> On May 23, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > 1. : i'm able to apply style attribute to a field contents (example : in changing the title line style font, wight, etc...) > 2. : i'm, then, able to save this styled field contents as HTMLText or RTFText and it's OK > > Question : is it a way to retrieve 1.- from 2.- (HTMLText or RTFText back to the initial styled attributes that i had applied to the field contents first) ? The dictionary does state: The RTFText property is a representation of the styled text of the field in RTF format. Setting the RTFText of a field (or a chunk of a field) sets both the text contents and the font, size, style, and color attributes corresponding to the information in the RTFString. Any other formatting controls in the RTFstring are ignored. To export and re-import field information without losing any style information, use the htmlText property instead. sims From dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk Sun May 23 08:10:37 2010 From: dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk (Douglas) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 13:10:37 +0100 Subject: [OT] Emsisoft In-Reply-To: <4BF847BF.8040708@gmail.com> References: <4BF82E2F.70602@gmail.com> <4BF83FCC.80101@gmail.com> <7-974061671.20100522134752@ahsoftware.net> <4BF847BF.8040708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BF91B3D.7020106@tiscali.co.uk> By default OpenOffice is set to not allow macro execution - perhaps someone in the staff specifically went round and enabled it? Douglas On 22/05/2010 22:08, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 22/05/2010 23:47, Mark Wieder wrote: >> Richmond- >> >> Saturday, May 22, 2010, 1:34:20 PM, you wrote: >> >>> However; all my client's computers (whether they run Windows or Linux) >>> use Open Office; I was unaware that a Word Macro virus could operate >>> via Open Office. >> If macro execution is not disabled then there's no reason why a macro >> virus shouldn't propagate. I realize that's tautological, but you >> asked... >> > Right; first thing tomorrow I will have to disable macro execution > on all 10 machines. > > Thanks so much. > > As 99% of my work is with Linux and Mac I had actually forgotten about > Word Macro viruses, although I had one messing up my LC 475 in > illinois a while back. > From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 23 08:26:03 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 14:26:03 +0200 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!) In-Reply-To: References: <28CED4EA-1EC7-4FBE-8F68-3F6621DA211A@aol.com> Message-ID: Is RTAS Pro Tools compatible only ? If yes, it is not a good standard. VST is best... Ren? Le 20 mai 2010 ? 20:19, stephen barncard a ?crit : > I would humbly suggest that RTAS be the standard for plugins From iangmcknight at googlemail.com Sun May 23 09:12:26 2010 From: iangmcknight at googlemail.com (Ian McKnight) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 14:12:26 +0100 Subject: mySQL & RevEnterprise: queries not returning expected values Message-ID: Hi I am attempting to teach myself the rudiments of using mySQL databases on on-rev. To this end I have created and populated a simple single table database of six fields - a catalogue of DVD titles. I am coming across problems when I attempt to search of my CERTIFICATE field which is VARCHAR of length 3. This contains any one of NC, U, PG, 12, 12A, 15 and 18. and my GENRE field which contains words such as comedy, action, adventure etc separated by commas This query for certificate 12 returns a list of DVDs put revDataFromQuery(tab, return, tDBID, "SELECT uniqid,title,format,duration,certificate,genre FROM mainTable WHERE certificate LIKE 12 ORDER BY title") into tData However replacing 12 with U (or PG 12A etc) does not - it gives a revDBerr, Unknown column 'U' in 'where clause' - and a similar response when searching the GENRE field. It seems to work only for numeric values in REV - performing the same searches in myPGPAdmin everything works fine. Any advice would be most appreciated. -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmcknight at gmail.com ======================= From gwolfgang at gaich.de Sun May 23 09:35:31 2010 From: gwolfgang at gaich.de (G. Wolfgang Gaich) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 15:35:31 +0200 Subject: mySQL & RevEnterprise: queries not returning expected values In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BF92F23.6040409@gaich.de> Hi Ian, for varchar fields in a where clause: put single quotes around the searchstring e.g.: where certificate = '12a' the like operator is only necessary if you want to use a pattern e.g.: where name like '%Knight' HTH Wolfgang Am 23.05.2010 15:12, schrieb Ian McKnight: > Hi > > I am attempting to teach myself the rudiments of using mySQL databases > on on-rev. To this end I have created and populated a simple single > table database of six fields - a catalogue of DVD titles. > > I am coming across problems when I attempt to search of my CERTIFICATE > field which is VARCHAR of length 3. This contains any one of NC, U, > PG, 12, 12A, 15 and 18. and my GENRE field which contains words such > as comedy, action, adventure etc separated by commas > > This query for certificate 12 returns a list of DVDs > > put revDataFromQuery(tab, return, tDBID, "SELECT > uniqid,title,format,duration,certificate,genre FROM mainTable WHERE > certificate LIKE 12 ORDER BY title") into tData > > However replacing 12 with U (or PG 12A etc) does not - it gives a > revDBerr, Unknown column 'U' in 'where clause' - and a similar > response when searching the GENRE field. > > It seems to work only for numeric values in REV - performing the same > searches in myPGPAdmin everything works fine. > > Any advice would be most appreciated. > > From iangmcknight at googlemail.com Sun May 23 09:46:37 2010 From: iangmcknight at googlemail.com (Ian McKnight) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 14:46:37 +0100 Subject: mySQL & RevEnterprise: queries not returning expected values In-Reply-To: <4BF92F23.6040409@gaich.de> References: <4BF92F23.6040409@gaich.de> Message-ID: Hi Wolgang I just tried your suggestion and it works perfectly. Thanks Ian On 23 May 2010 14:35, G. Wolfgang Gaich wrote: > Hi Ian, > > for varchar fields in a where clause: > > put single quotes around the searchstring > > e.g.: where certificate = '12a' > > the like operator is only necessary if you want to use a pattern > > e.g.: where name like '%Knight' > > HTH > > Wolfgang > > > > Am 23.05.2010 15:12, schrieb Ian McKnight: >> >> Hi >> >> I am attempting to teach myself the rudiments of using mySQL databases >> on on-rev. To this end I have created and populated a simple single >> table database of six fields - a catalogue of DVD titles. >> >> I am coming across problems when I attempt to search of my CERTIFICATE >> field which is VARCHAR of length 3. This contains any one of NC, U, >> PG, 12, 12A, 15 and 18. and my GENRE field which contains words such >> as comedy, action, adventure etc separated by commas >> >> This query for certificate 12 returns a list of DVDs >> >> ? ?put revDataFromQuery(tab, return, tDBID, "SELECT >> uniqid,title,format,duration,certificate,genre FROM mainTable ?WHERE >> certificate LIKE 12 ORDER BY title") into tData >> >> However replacing 12 with U (or PG 12A etc) does not - it gives a >> revDBerr, Unknown column 'U' in 'where clause' - and a similar >> response when searching the GENRE field. >> >> It seems to work only for numeric values in REV - performing the same >> searches in myPGPAdmin everything works fine. >> >> Any advice would be most appreciated. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmcknight at googlemail.com ======================= From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Sun May 23 09:50:20 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 15:50:20 +0200 Subject: [Datagrid] How to : skip rows appearing, without deleting them in dgData? In-Reply-To: <1274576770425-2227554.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1274576770425-2227554.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: 2010/5/23 Robert Mann > > The point is to be able to navigate through a data-tree structure. > > Datagrid doc and runrev "how to's" show how to implement a foldable row, > that can show more or less information but from the same row. > > To navigate within a data tree structure, there is a need to by-pass the > drawing of some lines (not wanted children rows, or not wanted father > rows). > > Within the layout script of a row, I tried to set the rect row to > "0,0,0,0". > This works fine... the line/row disappears. But then... when you navigate > with the arrow in the datagrid, the selected line disappers, while it > hilites the unvisible row... forcing the user to press again the navigation > arrow at that point. So : no good! > > Is there a more radical and more efficient way to skip lines without > deleting them from the dgData ? Hi Robert, Assuming you know the lines of the displayed child lines, a possible way consists to add in your Data Grid object, the arrowKey handler and move the selected line to the next or previous visible child line. on arrowKey pTheKey * put* the dgIndexOfLine[the dgHilitedLines of me] of me into tTheIndex *put* the dgDataOfIndex[tTheIndex] of me into theDataA *put* theDataA["child visible"] into tChildState *if (*tChildState) *then* *pass* arrowkey *else* * if (pTheKey is "up") then* *set* the dgHilitedLine of me to previousVisibleChildNo else if (pTheKey is "down") then * set* the dgHilitedLine of me to nextVisibleChildNo else pass arrowkey *end* *if* *end arrowKey* * * Personally to build the Data Grid Helper palette, I'm using that you call the radical way. I find this way efficient for my needs. I'm using another Data Grid as a data base to fill dynamically the tree of my second datagrids. Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Sun May 23 09:53:01 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 14:53:01 +0100 Subject: revLet: dynamic resizing when browser window resizes In-Reply-To: <1274551441265-2227342.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1274551441265-2227342.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 22 May 2010 19:04, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > I have been thinking about how to solve > the desconfiguration of screen interfaces > when users rezise stacks, or in this case > resizes the webpage. > > This problem is especially notorious when > stacks have multiple cards. > > Recreating and/or resizing all the elements > of the card interface in a preopencard > handler could position and resize correctly > most controls. > > This solution requires to describe all widths, > heights and location of controls as proportions > of card dimensions using (like html) percents. > > Have you created such handlers to manage > proportionally position and dimensions of > controls in a card? > Yes - I totally obsessive about it. Pretty well all the prototyping I do is with views that scale to the view port. I've always hated fixed width views and web sites - for completely unreasonable reasons. So all my groups have resize handlers and I can script the equivalent of "put that group in that rectangle of that card or group" - with a resize handler on preopencard you get what you are describing. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 23 10:21:22 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 17:21:22 +0300 Subject: [OT] Emsisoft In-Reply-To: <4BF91B3D.7020106@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4BF82E2F.70602@gmail.com> <4BF83FCC.80101@gmail.com> <7-974061671.20100522134752@ahsoftware.net> <4BF847BF.8040708@gmail.com> <4BF91B3D.7020106@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <4BF939E2.1060208@gmail.com> On 23/05/2010 15:10, Douglas wrote: > By default OpenOffice is set to not allow macro execution - perhaps > someone in the staff specifically went round and enabled it? > You don't know these people! They keep downloading the Windows version of Skype onto Linux machines "because it is better than the Linux version" and then throwing tantrums because Windows programs don't work on Linux; "What is wrong with these computers? everybody knows that computers cannot run without Windows". Enabling Macros . . . Having installed Linux on a 'new' machine I left it to do an apt-get update overnight; telling the people not to touch the machine. The next day I had to start installing from scratch, because, being unable to turn the machine off (despite post-it notes and so on saying "DON'T") they had yanked the power cable out the back!!!! This IS Bulgaria; or, as an American friend once put it; "I love Bulgaria, it allows me to experience the same sort of thrills my ancestors experienced in Texas in the middle of the 19th century." Have you seen that film "Wild Wild West"; a sort of steam-punk America through distorting glasses? The problem about "Wild Wild East" is that one is unable to remove the distorting glasses. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have the perfect plan for the virus problem these people are experiencing: take all their computers to the gypsy quarter where they will be scavenged for precious metals . . . :) From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sun May 23 11:35:00 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 11:35:00 -0400 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: >> And ... No promise that next version of Android OS will work on this device. >> So you will be happy to trash it. Someday soon, I can imagine major newspapers providing similar very-low-cost (disposable) Android tablets as their 'green initiative'. Think about it... a comfortable size tablet, included for free if you get a 2 - 3 year subscription. >> >> IMO this is the most weak place of Android ... >> >> They go by MS way -- any hardware, open devices ... As result incredible >> zoo. Tons of drivers ... Overloaded systems ... I like having a choice between multiple hardware providers. Competition makes them try harder to make better products and lower prices. I see your point about being overloaded with unnecessary drivers, etc. It can be confusing to us humans. But in this age of technology, shouldn't the computer/pad be smart enough to pick the correct driver on its own? > Sarah Reichelt wrote: > Yes, I agree with you there Ruslan. > Except that I think Android is going to become the Linux of mobile > devices, rather than the Microsoft. > > Cheers, > Sarah There have been a few posts in agreement, for various reasons, that the Apad may not be the best choice for an Android device to test revMobile apps on. I would like to hear recommendations on other low-mid range devices that you guys would get as a testing platform. The iPad of course is not an option, or is it? I know that Android has been installed on an iPhone, although it probably voided the commandments. Has the Rev team stated which version of Android will be the minimum spec - 1.5, 1.6 or 2.x? ~Roger Eller From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 23 11:45:45 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 11:45:45 -0400 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Android SDK comes with a simulator, although I haven't needed to use it. Instead, I just post the APK files online, and my colleague who has an Android phone just goes to that link, and the app installs. So, the cheapest way to test Rev on Android devices would be to just know someone who has one. If you don't know anyone who has an Android phone, then maybe it's not a big enough market yet. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun May 23 12:01:53 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 09:01:53 -0700 Subject: howto export a styled formated field to text file Message-ID: <4BF95171.1070902@fourthworld.com> Pierre Sahores wrote: > 1. : i'm able to apply style attribute to a field contents (example : in changing the title line style font, wight, etc...) > 2. : i'm, then, able to save this styled field contents as HTMLText or RTFText and it's OK > > Question : is it a way to retrieve 1.- from 2.- (HTMLText or RTFText back to the initial styled attributes that i had applied to the field contents first) ? > > No direct way ? I'm not clear on what is meant by "direct" in this context, but there's a distinction between rtfText and htmlText which may be useful here: RtfText represents a subset of field content attributes which are also supported in the most basic RTF definitions (font, style, size, and a few others). HtmlText is designed to be the one method of reproducing a field's contents with 100% fidelity for all engine-supported attributes. Links, for example, are not supported in rtfText but are part of htmlText, and anything else the engine lets you do with text in a field will be included in htmlText, while only some of them are in rtfText. I'm not sure if this will help with your specific task, but hopefully it will. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun May 23 12:02:55 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 09:02:55 -0700 Subject: howto export a styled formated field to text file In-Reply-To: <7DB54F9E-6E0C-46E4-B076-82A9FBB03A30@free.fr> References: <30BE7E08-101A-4061-B2FC-F2349944B710@free.fr> <07263A56-00B2-4396-B220-2D899BCCF9CA@free.fr> <7DB54F9E-6E0C-46E4-B076-82A9FBB03A30@free.fr> Message-ID: htmltext is the only way to fully save style information. Any more field specs outside the limited range of the subset of htmltext (like backgroundcolor, alignment, lineheight and all the other properties of a field) have to be done in another way - In some situations, I will add my own "static attribute" tags to the htmltext in a way that they can be recovered just before setting the htmltext, then applied to the field: these are easily parsed property name and value pairs. A nice feature of htmltext is that it silently ignores tags it doesn't understand. On 23 May 2010 03:57, Pierre Sahores wrote: > Stephen, sims, > > 1. : i'm able to apply style attribute to a field contents (example : in > changing the title line style font, wight, etc...) > 2. : i'm, then, able to save this styled field contents as HTMLText or > RTFText and it's OK > > Question : is it a way to retrieve 1.- from 2.- (HTMLText or RTFText back > to the initial styled attributes that i had applied to the field contents > first) ? > > No direct way ? > > Thanks for any starter point ! > > Pierre > > > Le 23 mai 2010 ? 11:57, Pierre Sahores a ?crit : > > > Stephen and sims, > > > > Many thanks for your helpfull imputs. The RTFText seems to cover all my > expectations. (always read the manuel !). > > > > Kind Regards, Pierre > > > > > > Le 23 mai 2010 ? 10:00, stephen barncard a ?crit : > > > >> The only way to save styled text in a field is by using the HTMLText or > >> RTFText properties of the field. Get the saved htmltext back from the > >> database and set the field to the data. > > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 > > www.woooooooords.com > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sun May 23 12:08:36 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 12:08:36 -0400 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Colin Holgate wrote: > The Android SDK comes with a simulator, although I haven't > needed to use it. Instead, I just post the APK files online, > and my colleague who has an Android phone just goes to that > link, and the app installs. I knew about the simulator, but when it comes to a touch screen based OS, having a real device would be a plus. > So, the cheapest way to test Rev on Android devices would > be to just know someone who has one. If you don't know > anyone who has an Android phone, then maybe it's not a > big enough market yet. True, but I don't want to bug friends for every test. I believe the market is ripe. I know more people with Android phones than with iPhones actually. Phones are a big part of the market, but wi-fi devices will be huge too. Even with the 800x480 resolution of the Apad, it is still plenty for casual reading. And for the elderly (and me) a 7" screen has to be easier on the eyes. I see these low cost pad type devices becoming the future grandpa's computer. People with limited mobility could still easily communicate with family and friends. HUGE market potential. ~Roger Eller From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun May 23 12:15:55 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 09:15:55 -0700 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad Message-ID: <4BF954BB.3020100@fourthworld.com> Roger.E.Eller wrote: > Has the Rev team stated which version of Android will be the minimum spec - > 1.5, 1.6 or 2.x? I haven't read anything from RunRev specifying their stance on versions, but most of the world is now targeting 2.2 ("Froyo") and forward. The earlier versions were useful in gaining a foothold with some manufacturers, but the differences between them have, as has been pointed out here, resulted in a target base that's hard for developers to aim for. V2.1 is now considered a reasonable transitional focus until 2.2 is released this summer, and it is expected that most if not all manufacturers will adopt v2.2 as a migration path to a unified 3.0 next year. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sun May 23 12:25:09 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 09:25:09 -0700 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > So, the cheapest way to test Rev on Android devices would > be to just > > know someone who has one. If you don't know anyone who has > an Android > > phone, then maybe it's not a big enough market yet. > > True, but I don't want to bug friends for every test. I > believe the market is ripe. I know more people with Android > phones than with iPhones actually. I agree. And yes, the market certainly is big enough now. But also, I don't think Android support is going to happen this week for Rev. By the time we can start testing an alpha I imagine there will be even more devices available. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From psahores at free.fr Sun May 23 12:28:16 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 18:28:16 +0200 Subject: howto export a styled formated field to text file In-Reply-To: <057FAE58-6059-4995-9240-72964FCD8894@ezpzapps.com> References: <30BE7E08-101A-4061-B2FC-F2349944B710@free.fr> <07263A56-00B2-4396-B220-2D899BCCF9CA@free.fr> <7DB54F9E-6E0C-46E4-B076-82A9FBB03A30@free.fr> <057FAE58-6059-4995-9240-72964FCD8894@ezpzapps.com> Message-ID: Thanks again, Stephen, sims and Richard, I'm, with your help, clear about how to handle my task (inside a Rev standalone client app) in using HTMLText. Kind Regards from south Europ ! Pierre Le 23 mai 2010 ? 13:18, Jim Sims a ?crit : > > On May 23, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: > >> 1. : i'm able to apply style attribute to a field contents (example : in changing the title line style font, wight, etc...) >> 2. : i'm, then, able to save this styled field contents as HTMLText or RTFText and it's OK >> >> Question : is it a way to retrieve 1.- from 2.- (HTMLText or RTFText back to the initial styled attributes that i had applied to the field contents first) ? > > > > The dictionary does state: > > The RTFText property is a representation of the styled text of the field in RTF format. > > Setting the RTFText of a field (or a chunk of a field) sets both the text contents and the font, size, style, and color attributes corresponding to the information in the RTFString. Any other formatting controls in the RTFstring are ignored. > > > To export and re-import field information without losing any style information, use the htmlText property instead. > > sims > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sun May 23 12:37:05 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 12:37:05 -0400 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> True, but I don't want to bug friends for every test. I >> believe the market is ripe. I know more people with Android >> phones than with iPhones actually. > > I agree. And yes, the market certainly is big enough now. But also, I don't > think Android support is going to happen this week for Rev. By the time we > can start testing an alpha I imagine there will be even more devices > available. > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > President > Paradigma Software > http://www.paradigmasoft.com Lynn, You just cured my Android buying fever. I may still grab a low-end tablet just to play around with the OS and gain some familiarity, but I will wait until we see what minimum version Rev supports before getting something better. I really like the smooth look of this one though. http://www.euogo.com/7-inch-google-android-16-tablet-pc-umpc-mid-notebook-with-wifi_p229.html ~Roger Eller From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com Sun May 23 13:02:42 2010 From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 19:02:42 +0200 Subject: Spell check In-Reply-To: <52D137BF-7ACD-48DB-B80F-28BF983631EE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1jiykl6.87n0v2z4cccoM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com> Peter Brigham MD wrote: > I'd love to use these routines, but when I run your demo stack nothing > happens in the field that should be checked, except the flagged words > become unflagged. A little late ;-) but I tested Sarah's scripts within one of my stacks -- it is a diary, and I am using it almost to track off typos: miswritten words are set to red, and thus it is easy to catch them :-) To say that it works flawlessly with my 4.0.0 Studio copy; although the functionality is not complete: for some reason, if the words are set to red, I cannot get a list of suggestions as it works in the Finder... Nonetheless, it is very usable and useful :-) -- Mac OS X 10.6.2 iMac Intel From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun May 23 13:10:10 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 10:10:10 -0700 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad Message-ID: <4BF96172.9020301@fourthworld.com> Roger.E.Eller wrote: > Lynn, > > You just cured my Android buying fever. I may still grab a low-end tablet > just to play around with the OS and gain some familiarity, but I will wait > until we see what minimum version Rev supports before getting something > better. The great thing about technology purchasing is that it's one of the few areas of life that consistently rewards the procrastinator. :) Gadgets only get ever more powerful while also getting ever cheaper. When I first heard about the coming iPad and similar devices I was intrigued but decided to see how it panned out. With Apple's SDK change and Rev for Android still some time away, I assuaged myself in the meantime by getting a netbook, which has been a wonderful addition to my workflow for a little more than half the cost of an iPad (US$270 vs. $500). Similar weight and size, built-in keyboard, protected screen thanks to the clamshell form factor, hundreds of thousands of apps for it (would have been millions but I prefer Ubuntu Netbook Remix over Windows), has a multitouch trackpad, but it also runs Rev and comes bundled with an entire computer. :) Some have noted recent sales figures of the iPad as a reason to overlook the netbook market, but reading past the headlines we find two significant details: 1. The "market cannibalization" caused by the iPad's success isn't affecting just netbooks, but most computing devices including Apple's own laptops; the cannibalization effect is more horizontal than vertical. 2. Stats about this effect on netbook sales mention reduction not in unit sales but only of the GROWTH of unit sales. So even with "The iPad Effect" netbook sales continue to increase, just continuing to grow at a slightly slower rate than they have been over the last couple years. In more recent weeks, now that the excitement of the iPad launch has settled down a bit and analysts can examine the bigger picture from a more relaxed perspective, the outlook for netbooks is pretty good: Netbook sellers need not fear the iPad, says analyst Just 1% of potential netbook buyers will choose a tablet instead May 18, 2010 Netbook sales will almost double in 2010 More stats with notes about the implications of netbook deployment for Rev developers here: Netbook market on the rise If you're itching for an ultra-portable gadget, a netbook offers an alternative you can enjoy Rev on today (and R and Squeek and all the other languages that are verboten on iPads). -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun May 23 13:47:28 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 10:47:28 -0700 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!) In-Reply-To: References: <28CED4EA-1EC7-4FBE-8F68-3F6621DA211A@aol.com> Message-ID: I was "humbly" stupid in my assumptions about RTAS. I should read more before I speak. The DAW world is littered with proprietary and security stumbling blocks similar to what we've encountered with Apple and the iPhone. A list of plugin formats is here (with definition links ): http://www.kvraudio.com/wiki/?id=Plug-in+Formats - APPLE ONLY - AU (Audio Units) - AS (Audio Suite) - OTHER - DX (DirectX) - DSSI (Disposable Soft Synth Interface) - LADSPA (Linux Audio Developer's Simple Plugin API) - MAS (MOTU Audio System) - MFX (MIDI FX) - ReWire - PRO TOOLS ONLY - RTAS (Real Time Audio Suite) - TDM (Time Domain Multiplex) - VST (Virtual Studio Technology) my personal and opinionated opinion: VST is 'best' for PC users of Cubase and Nuendo. But I don't know any top recording professionals that use PCs or Cubase for audio. Some DP users out there on Mac. Granted, this is my myopic west coast view - but most of the pros are out on the edges of this country! As you get outside the big cities, and into the south and midwest, one will see more PC based audio systems, often because there is less local support for the hardware. (Good luck trying to buy a new mac at a Best Buy in Mobile, AL. They don't stock them. But there are no major studios or post houses there.) Some TV post guys use closed systems like Fairlight, Sadie and Radar and are PC based - usually with their own plugins. Nuendo is big with the Nashville guys, but on a Mac. You are correct about the Pro Tools lock-in on RTAS - it's cross-computer-platform though (Win-Mac) and Pro Tools is sorta the iPhone of audio DAWs - I'm imagining 60-70% market share - huge. Anybody who is into more than just recording themselves and needs to exchange files from many clients - will always transport their project in Pro Tools format. Finally, remember they are AVID - the god of professional video editing and their systems are made to seamlessly exchange information among their applications. If we were making something aimed at professionals, this would be the format to go for. I don't think we should bother with these kind of plugins. Too much crap to go through that has nothing to do with programming. We have to think differently about plugins. Or not bother. We small guys out here would be crushed by the complexity and expense of 1. Getting to be a licensee of RTAS or VST technology and those limitations 2. *Dealing with the extreme plugin authorization process if not installed* 3. Dealing with the iLok issues - probably a mandatory dongle 4. etc etc. Now going back to checking on FOSS solutions for plugins LADSPA, Rosegarden, ALSA, JACK, Audacity and try and understand what is the plugin situation with BASS. if any. (to be continued) On 23 May 2010 05:26, Ren? Micout wrote: > Is RTAS Pro Tools compatible only ? > If yes, it is not a good standard. > VST is best... > Ren? > > Le 20 mai 2010 ? 20:19, stephen barncard a ?crit : > > > I would humbly suggest that RTAS be the standard for plugins > > > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun May 23 14:16:41 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 11:16:41 -0700 Subject: [OT] Emsisoft In-Reply-To: <4BF939E2.1060208@gmail.com> References: <4BF82E2F.70602@gmail.com> <4BF83FCC.80101@gmail.com> <7-974061671.20100522134752@ahsoftware.net> <4BF847BF.8040708@gmail.com> <4BF91B3D.7020106@tiscali.co.uk> <4BF939E2.1060208@gmail.com> Message-ID: ROTFL (spitting coffee) -- you made my morning laugh On 23 May 2010 07:21, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > > I have the perfect plan for the virus problem these people are > experiencing: take all > their computers to the gypsy quarter where they will be scavenged for > precious > metals . . . :) > > _______________________________________________ > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sun May 23 14:20:12 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 11:20:12 -0700 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6525914167A347EF9A839C59856255B7@GATEWAY> > http://www.euogo.com/7-inch-google-android-16-tablet-pc-umpc-m id-notebook-with-wifi_p229.html Really nice price too! Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From rene.micout at numericable.com Sun May 23 14:32:31 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 20:32:31 +0200 Subject: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!) In-Reply-To: References: <28CED4EA-1EC7-4FBE-8F68-3F6621DA211A@aol.com> Message-ID: <24488C9D-05BA-4789-BB91-FDA069BD2500@numericable.com> Some application VST compatible : Ableton Live Audacity ACID Pro Ardour 2 Cubase energyXT Fruityloops (FL Studio) Jeskola Buzz (Polac VST loader) Logic Pro WaveLab MadTracker It is good for me > Logic Pro and it is not bad for Windows users Ren? Le 23 mai 2010 ? 19:47, stephen barncard a ?crit : > VST is 'best' for PC users of Cubase and Nuendo From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sun May 23 14:42:17 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 19:42:17 +0100 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C2FDACA-E70B-4DCA-A7E3-C5C9D233E326@azurevision.co.uk> Note that the battery capacity is only 1600mAh so battery life won't be too amazing with the 7" screen. At least it has non-iPad app icons over the familiar background, unlike the 8" model which just has the standard iPad home screen comped in on the rendered images. ;-) http://www.euogo.com/8-inch-ipad-style-android-slate-tablet-pc-with-wifi-office-youtube-skype-msn_p258.html Ian P.S. Anyone know what the retail price is for something like that? On 23 May 2010, at 17:37, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: > Lynn, > > You just cured my Android buying fever. I may still grab a low-end > tablet > just to play around with the OS and gain some familiarity, but I > will wait > until we see what minimum version Rev supports before getting > something > better. I really like the smooth look of this one though. > > http://www.euogo.com/7-inch-google-android-16-tablet-pc-umpc-mid-notebook-with-wifi_p229.html > > ~Roger Eller From bobs at twft.com Sun May 23 15:04:03 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 12:04:03 -0700 Subject: Remote SQL databases In-Reply-To: <179-956826843.20100522183507@ahsoftware.net> References: <179-956826843.20100522183507@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Oh hello! You are saying you CAN do a join on a table that is not in the same database? Bob Sneidar IT Manager Calvary Chapel CM Sent from iPhone On May 22, 2010, at 18:35, Mark Wieder wrote: > Mark- > > Friday, May 21, 2010, 5:04:57 PM, you wrote: > >> SELECT cus.Customer_Number, cus.Customer_Name, >> ctyp.Customer_Type_Name >> FROM database1.customers AS cus LEFT OUTER JOIN >> database2.customer_types as ctyp ON cus.Customer_Type = >> ctyp.Customer_Type_ID > > Nice one - someone actually found a use for an outer join. I've > wracked my brain trying to come up with a situation where I'd want to > use one, and never come up with anything. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun May 23 15:14:50 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 22:14:50 +0300 Subject: [OT] HyperNext Message-ID: <4BF97EAA.2090605@gmail.com> The other day somebody took umbrage (wow; that feels good; haven't used "umbrage" for about 20 years) at my suggesting that the music channels in HyperNext were the work of one man, but came as "part of the package" of Real BASIC with which HyperNext is constructed. Maybe so . . . The same respondent stated that the programming language of HyperNext WAS RBScript; this is not strictly true: HyperNext can be scripted in RBScript, but its native language is 'HyperNext script'. How far these two scripting languages differ I cannot say; however it is claimed on the HyperNext site that the HyperNext script works more quickly than RBScript in the context of HyperNext. c.f: http://www.tigabyte.com/hnfiles/rescreator.html under "13 Circles". see comparisons of the 2 languages here: http://www.tigabyte.com/hnfiles/faqs.html#faqHyperNext HyperNext seems to be a language which compiles to RBScript (a sort of Metalanguage): "HyperNext is the main programming language in HyperNext Creator and Developer. It is a full high-level language with over 1000 keywords that allows a programmer to control user interaction, develop complex algorithms, call plugins, and create/run RBscripts." ------------------------------------------------ Why am I bothering to point this out when: 1. I am not using HyperNext, and not championing it. 2. Feel little or no motivation to "swap" from RunRev to HyperNext. ???? Because Hypernext is an achievement of a different order to RunRev insofar that it is the creation of one man. It may, eventually, be a contender against RunRev in the Educational software development stakes. I hope it really gets going; mainly, admittedly, to stimulate RunRev. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sun May 23 15:34:18 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 12:34:18 -0700 Subject: Remote SQL databases In-Reply-To: References: <179-956826843.20100522183507@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <81-892076390.20100523123418@ahsoftware.net> Bob- Sunday, May 23, 2010, 12:04:03 PM, you wrote: > Oh hello! You are saying you CAN do a join on a table that is not in > the same database? Well, I haven't tried it, bu Mark S. implied that it was possible with two different aliases... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From gbojsza at gmail.com Sun May 23 15:36:12 2010 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 13:36:12 -0600 Subject: Listing available MYSQL databases Message-ID: Hello, Has anyone successfully used either "open process" or "get shell()" to list the databases available on a machine. >From the command line I do the following and get the results I am looking for: [nrl at localhost ~]$ mysqlshow -u nrl -p Enter password: (I enter the password nrl1 here) +--------------------+ | Databases | +--------------------+ | information_schema | | lab0624 | | test | +--------------------+ [nrl at localhost ~]$ My script is as follows: on mouseUp put "mysqlshow - u nrl -p" into promysql put "nrl1" after promysql get shell(promysql) put it write "quit" to process promysql close process promysql end mouseUp The resulting message is: mysqlshow: Access denied for user 'nrl'@'%' to database '-' I am currently logged in as nrl in the Fedora 11 system and running Rev under that user name. open process lead to the same results? thanks, Glen From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun May 23 15:37:09 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 12:37:09 -0700 Subject: [OT] HyperNext Message-ID: <4BF983E5.7070302@fourthworld.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Because Hypernext is an achievement of a different order to RunRev > insofar that it is the creation of one man. Who is Scott Raney? True, once he started porting to non-UNIX systems the MetaCard engine used the assistance of more people, and under RunRev more still, but I think Raney did an admirable job of putting together the foundation of the engine and taking it as far as he did, which AFAIK in those early years was a solo effort. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From andre at andregarzia.com Sun May 23 17:19:24 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 18:19:24 -0300 Subject: Remote SQL databases In-Reply-To: <81-892076390.20100523123418@ahsoftware.net> References: <179-956826843.20100522183507@ahsoftware.net> <81-892076390.20100523123418@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: I did it on my 6k thousand table database... It works fine for us. I have something like select Database1.* from DatabaseName1.Table1 as Database1, DatabaseName2.Table2 ... On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Bob- > > Sunday, May 23, 2010, 12:04:03 PM, you wrote: > > > Oh hello! You are saying you CAN do a join on a table that is not in > > the same database? > > Well, I haven't tried it, bu Mark S. implied that it was possible with > two different aliases... > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From psahores at free.fr Sun May 23 18:24:54 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 00:24:54 +0200 Subject: [OT] HyperNext In-Reply-To: <4BF983E5.7070302@fourthworld.com> References: <4BF983E5.7070302@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Anyone knows what Scott is working on, today, when he is not a sailor ? Kind Regards, Pierre Le 23 mai 2010 ? 21:37, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > Who is Scott Raney? > > True, once he started porting to non-UNIX systems the MetaCard engine used the assistance of more people, and under RunRev more still, but I think Raney did an admirable job of putting together the foundation of the engine and taking it as far as he did, which AFAIK in those early years was a solo effort. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sun May 23 21:24:29 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 09:24:29 +0800 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:08 AM, wrote: > I see these low cost pad type devices becoming the future grandpa's > computer. > > Have to agree with this one. My completely unscientific survey at an Apple store recently noted that of all 6 purchases I witnessed, 1 was a Uni student who bought a MacBook whilst the other 5 who bought iPads (well put their name on a list because the 3Gs were all sold out) were all 60+ and some mentioned they had a Kindle and the main purpose of the iPad purchase was to read. When I got home I rang my Mum (70+ y/o) with the intent on making some subtle inquiries about if she knew what a Kindle was etc, to gauge whether it was something she might use. To my surprise she was fully aware of what an iPad was, and has every intention of purchasing one as soon as they become available in her country. The reason, a smart phone is way too small for any useful reading, she regularly drags a laptop to the State Library but feels it's too big, so a Pad style device seems to be the perfect compromise. She considered the Kindle too limited in scope for the work she has to do at the Library and was already aware of iApps that existed that were going to be 'very helpful'. My Mum is an Windows user, is aware of my Apple tendancies, but due to how far away I live, my brothers, who consider Steve the anti-christ, ensure Mum is kept well clear of such uncleanliness. I must say I was very surprised. From bobs at twft.com Sun May 23 22:37:37 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 19:37:37 -0700 Subject: mySQL & RevEnterprise: queries not returning expected values In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07E6EF46-53AF-47FD-9293-7E850EAAEC80@twft.com> Make sure you enclose values in real quotes. Mysql seems to handle numerical values without quotes but when a value is text it will interpret the text as a column name if it's not in quotes. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Calvary Chapel CM Sent from iPhone On May 23, 2010, at 6:12, Ian McKnight wrote: > However replacing 12 with U (or PG 12A etc) does not - it gives a > revDBerr, Unknown column 'U' in 'where clause' - and a similar > response when searching the GENRE field. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 24 00:38:57 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 23:38:57 -0500 Subject: How to "Dial" Using Rev ? In-Reply-To: References: <4BF7FEE7.2090505@sbcglobal.net> <4BF8B39C.3040300@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BFA02E1.1050708@hyperactivesw.com> Sarah Reichelt wrote: > It depends how the USB modem is recognised by the system. > If you have one, check "the driverNames". > If the list includes something link "cu.modem.usb", then you can use > that as the driver name and open a port to that device as described > above. I'm writing that down. Thanks. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From iangmcknight at googlemail.com Mon May 24 01:15:24 2010 From: iangmcknight at googlemail.com (Ian McKnight) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 06:15:24 +0100 Subject: mySQL & RevEnterprise: queries not returning expected values In-Reply-To: <07E6EF46-53AF-47FD-9293-7E850EAAEC80@twft.com> References: <07E6EF46-53AF-47FD-9293-7E850EAAEC80@twft.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the reminder Bob. On 24 May 2010 03:37, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Make sure you enclose values in real quotes. Mysql seems to handle numerical > values without quotes but when a value is text it will interpret the text as > a column name if it's not in quotes. > -- Regards Ian McKnight iangmcknight at gmail.com ======================= From rene.micout at numericable.com Mon May 24 03:36:43 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 09:36:43 +0200 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <219A3AEE-F2AC-4963-96D9-BC88279F6761@numericable.com> In France also. My mother is 83 years old, she has ordered an iPad and branching ADSL Internet access. This will be the first computer in his life ... Le 24 mai 2010 ? 03:24, Kay C Lan a ?crit : > On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:08 AM, wrote: > >> I see these low cost pad type devices becoming the future grandpa's >> computer. >> >> Have to agree with this one. My completely unscientific survey at an Apple > store recently noted that of all 6 purchases I witnessed, 1 was a Uni > student who bought a MacBook whilst the other 5 who bought iPads (well put > their name on a list because the 3Gs were all sold out) were all 60+ and > some mentioned they had a Kindle and the main purpose of the iPad purchase > was to read. > > When I got home I rang my Mum (70+ y/o) with the intent on making some > subtle inquiries about if she knew what a Kindle was etc, to gauge whether > it was something she might use. To my surprise she was fully aware of what > an iPad was, and has every intention of purchasing one as soon as they > become available in her country. > > The reason, a smart phone is way too small for any useful reading, she > regularly drags a laptop to the State Library but feels it's too big, so a > Pad style device seems to be the perfect compromise. She considered the > Kindle too limited in scope for the work she has to do at the Library and > was already aware of iApps that existed that were going to be 'very > helpful'. > > My Mum is an Windows user, is aware of my Apple tendancies, but due to how > far away I live, my brothers, who consider Steve the anti-christ, ensure Mum > is kept well clear of such uncleanliness. I must say I was very surprised. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 24 05:03:38 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 12:03:38 +0300 Subject: Coming unstuck with standalones: a real head CASE Message-ID: <4BFA40EA.10401@gmail.com> I have been working recently on a "teacher" version (wrongly called 'Pro') of my Devawriter program for Sanskrit. Feeling reasonably smug (Hey-Ho, pride comes before the fall) I sent some standalones labelled 'Beta' off, down the pipe, to my Beta testers; only to recieve a fairly forthright answer that the thing didn't work properly !!!!! Cracked out the standalone, and it DIDN'T . . . :( Went back to the stack, and it DID . . . the mystery thickens . . . ------------------------------------------------------------ SO; what's going wonky??? A tediously long SWITCH routine; on rawKeyDown RAWK set the useUnicode to true switch RAWK ------- buckets more CASE stuff here -------- case 101 if the vis of group "CONZ" is true then send "mouseUp" to img "2327k" break else send "mouseUp" to img "f2310.png" break end if ------- buckets more CASE stuff here -------- default pass rawKeyDown end switch -------- end rawKeyDown In the stack, when the group "CONZ" is not visible the latter half of the CASE statement 'fires', In a standalone, when the "CONZ" is not visible the latter half of the CASE statement DOESN'T WORK. Poo, Poo, Poo! ------------------------------------------------------- Moronically speculative interlude. Maybe standalones don't behave themselves re the VIS of groups?????? ------------------------------------------------------- Advice, recommendations, help gratefully received; Please, Please, pretty Please! Richmond Mathewson. From st.king42 at ntlworld.com Mon May 24 05:17:14 2010 From: st.king42 at ntlworld.com (Steve King) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 10:17:14 +0100 Subject: Can't access Resource centre In-Reply-To: <20100523170005.178442882FD@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100523170005.178442882FD@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi When I click on Resource centre he Rev menu bar, nothing happens. It used to work but has recently stopped Any suggestions? Cheers Steve From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 24 05:47:17 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 12:47:17 +0300 Subject: Resource Centre Message-ID: <4BFA4B25.1010504@gmail.com> Dunno: just tried it (Mac PPC) and it worked fine, just tried it (Ubuntu 10.04) and it worked fine. trashed my XP Pentium 3 as it was virussed to the hilt. I would be inclined to reinstall your RunRev; things can go 'sour'. From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Mon May 24 07:50:50 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 07:50:50 -0400 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: <7C2FDACA-E70B-4DCA-A7E3-C5C9D233E326@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: Ian Wood wrote: > P.S. Anyone know what the retail price is for something like that? I bought mine here: Retail: $99.90 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39169~r.29767964~r.96035782 The firmware can be updated too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTuGXbEnI_4 ~Roger Eller From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon May 24 07:58:53 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 21:58:53 +1000 Subject: Coming unstuck with standalones: a real head CASE In-Reply-To: <4BFA40EA.10401@gmail.com> References: <4BFA40EA.10401@gmail.com> Message-ID: > In the stack, when the group "CONZ" is not visible the latter half of > the CASE statement 'fires', > > In a standalone, when the "CONZ" is not visible the latter half of > the CASE statement DOESN'T WORK. No wonderful ideas, but are you sure the group "CONZ" is really invisible, or is it inside another group that is invisible? That's a trap that has caught me before, although I would expect it to behave the same in the IDE as in a standalone. Another possibility: could there be two groups with the same name? Maybe they are re-ordered in the standalone, so the script is looking at the wrong one. Cheers, Sarah From wdurden at gmail.com Mon May 24 08:04:35 2010 From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 08:04:35 -0400 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: References: <7C2FDACA-E70B-4DCA-A7E3-C5C9D233E326@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: Roger, Have you already the product in hand? If so, how is your experience? Wayne On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 7:50 AM, wrote: > Ian Wood wrote: > > P.S. Anyone know what the retail price is for something like that? > > I bought mine here: > > Retail: $99.90 > http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39169~r.29767964~r.96035782 > > The firmware can be updated too. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTuGXbEnI_4 > > ~Roger Eller > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 24 08:20:11 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:20:11 +0300 Subject: Coming unstuck with standalones: a real head CASE In-Reply-To: References: <4BFA40EA.10401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BFA6EFB.6080101@gmail.com> On 24/05/2010 14:58, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> In the stack, when the group "CONZ" is not visible the latter half of >> the CASE statement 'fires', >> >> In a standalone, when the "CONZ" is not visible the latter half of >> the CASE statement DOESN'T WORK. > > No wonderful ideas, but are you sure the group "CONZ" is really > invisible, or is it inside another group that is invisible? Just checked: the card had 2 groups; "CONZ" and "VWLZ"; when "CONZ" is invisible it is invisible, rather than as you suggest. > That's a > trap that has caught me before, although I would expect it to behave > the same in the IDE as in a standalone. Well so would I; one of the reasons I am so mystified. > Another possibility: could there be two groups with the same name? > Maybe they are re-ordered in the standalone, so the script is looking > at the wrong one. I will probably have to ungroup the group and set the VIS on all its components individually, curses, curses, curses. > Cheers, > Sarah Thanks for your ideas. You are lucky, there in Australia, as your winter approaches: here in Bulgaria we are just starting our hot and sticky patch rising to 48 degs C and humid that lasts from now until mid-September! sincerely, Richmond. From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Mon May 24 11:16:42 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 11:16:42 -0400 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 05/24/2010 at 08:04 AM, Wayne Durden wrote: > Roger, > > Have you already the product in hand? If so, how is your experience? > > Wayne > > > On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 7:50 AM, wrote: > >> Ian Wood wrote: >> P.S. Anyone know what the retail price is for something like that? >> >> I bought mine here: >> >> Retail: $99.90 >> < http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39169%7Er.29767964%7Er.96035782> I don't have it yet, but I will report here how it performs. I already plan to update the firmware based on reports that some bugs will be fixed, and it should improve responsiveness and battery life too. ~Roger Eller From johnpatten at mac.com Mon May 24 11:19:20 2010 From: johnpatten at mac.com (John Patten) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 08:19:20 -0700 Subject: Linux Audio Playback clips audio? Message-ID: <5E13D431-E913-4F87-A1A4-80146762F6DE@mac.com> Hi All... Still experimenting with the Linux version of Rev. I have been using the following to record audio in my stack: put the effective filename of this stack into theTargetPath set the itemDel to "/" delete last item of theTargetPath delete first item of theTargetPath put "/" & theTargetPath & "/recordings" into theRecordingTarget convert the date && the long time to seconds put it into tFileNameRec put tFileNameRec into cd fld "audioFileName" put "arecord -d 10 -f u8 -t wav" into tShellCmd put shell(tShellCmd&&theRecordingTarget&tFileName) put theRecordingTarget&tFileNameRec into cd fld "recordingName" This creates an audio recording that is 10 seconds long in the "recordings" directory. The audio file plays in its entirety when played back in the Totem Movie Player. However, when played back through Revolution the file gets clipped and only approximately the last 5 seconds of the 10 second audio file plays. I'm just using the following to play it back: put cd fld "recordingName" of cd 1 into tAudioFile play url tAudioFile Any tips on what I might try to make the entire audio file play back? Thank you! John Patten From andrew at rjdfarm.com Mon May 24 11:25:55 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 08:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Script Reporter v1.1 crashes Message-ID: <1274714755232-2228724.post@n4.nabble.com> I to am trying to export the script of my stacks in order to use them as a guide for a re-write. I downloaded script reporter v1.1. No matter what script I use, it starts to load them in and then hangs followed by a crash. Are there any alternatives? I am on a win7 platform. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Script-Reporter-v1-1-crashes-tp2228724p2228724.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Mon May 24 11:33:59 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 08:33:59 -0700 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <634710364F2C4A6B8DE56D91607C5E98@GATEWAY> > http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39169%7Er.29767964%7 > Er.96035782> > > I don't have it yet, but I will report here how it performs. > I already plan to update the firmware based on reports that > some bugs will be fixed, and it should improve responsiveness > and battery life too. Roger (and others), I think it would be great if you could keep us all up on how that works and usability. Since there are going to be oodles of Android devices, its going to be up to us to share experiences for deploying RevAndroid apps (when that happens). I think it would be interesting especially to see how an "entry priced" product like this handles being updated to something like 2.2 when it arrives. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From andre at andregarzia.com Mon May 24 11:57:51 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 12:57:51 -0300 Subject: mySQL & RevEnterprise: queries not returning expected values In-Reply-To: References: <07E6EF46-53AF-47FD-9293-7E850EAAEC80@twft.com> Message-ID: now one question, why revolution doesn't have something like php mysql_real_escape() everyone here and his dog is implementing their own escaping routines when it should be provided by the engine, specially since mysql C library provides it, it is just a matter of wrapping around it. On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Ian McKnight wrote: > Thanks for the reminder Bob. > > On 24 May 2010 03:37, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > Make sure you enclose values in real quotes. Mysql seems to handle > numerical > > values without quotes but when a value is text it will interpret the text > as > > a column name if it's not in quotes. > > > > > -- > Regards > > > Ian McKnight > > iangmcknight at gmail.com > ======================= > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From rjearp at hotmail.com Mon May 24 12:11:49 2010 From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 09:11:49 -0700 Subject: libURLftpCommand help required please.... Message-ID: Many thanks for the replies on this.Mark/Jim - I've played around with quotes/no quotes, changing the address elements to include ftp.ashford.ca, httP://ashford.ca and combinations thereof, but I still get the error message "error invalid host address". I'm using Rev Enterprise v4.0.0 build 950 BTW.If it helps, I do get stuff returned without and error if I use put url "http://test:myTest at ashford.ca" into fld "results"Dave - It wasn't the LIST ftp command I was after, I just used that as an example of an ftp command that (I assumed) the libURLftpCommand would do as it seems to say that in the dictionary. I also tried HELP as the dictionary suggests, but I still get the same error. What I want to do in the end is read & seta file permission on the server. Right now there is one file named test.txt on that URL that has RW set, and of course you can see it at www.ashford.ca/testFYI, it is put libURLftpCommand("HELP","ashford.ca","test at ashford.ca","myTest") into fld "results" that gives me the "error invalid host address" message, yet in an ftp client such as FileZilla I can use ashford.ca as the host address, test at ashford.ca as the username, and myTest as the password, and it all works fine.Thanks again for the feedback & help.best, Bob...Bob Earp - White Rock, British Columbia _________________________________________________________________ 30 days of prizes to be won with Hotmail. Enter Here. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9729709 From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon May 24 12:34:51 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:34:51 +0200 Subject: libURLftpCommand help required please.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bob, Have you set the FTP mode to passive? Look up libUrlSetFtpMode in the dictionary. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 24 mei 2010, at 18:11, Bob Earp wrote: > > Many thanks for the replies on this.Mark/Jim - I've played around > with quotes/no quotes, changing the address elements to include ftp.ashford.ca > , httP://ashford.ca and combinations thereof, but I still get the > error message "error invalid host address". I'm using Rev > Enterprise v4.0.0 build 950 BTW.If it helps, I do get stuff returned > without and error if I use put url "http://test:myTest at ashford.ca" > into fld "results"Dave - It wasn't the LIST ftp command I was after, > I just used that as an example of an ftp command that (I assumed) > the libURLftpCommand would do as it seems to say that in the > dictionary. I also tried HELP as the dictionary suggests, but I > still get the same error. What I want to do in the end is read & > seta file permission on the server. Right now there is one file > named test.txt on that URL that has RW set, and of course you can > see it at www.ashford.ca/testFYI, it is put > libURLftpCommand("HELP","ashford.ca","test at ashford.ca","myTest") > into fld "results" that gives me the "error invalid host address" > message, yet in an ftp client such as FileZilla I can use ashford.ca > as the host address, test at ashford.ca as the username, and myTest as > the password, and it all works fine.Thanks again for the feedback & > help.best, Bob...Bob Earp - White Rock, British Columbia From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon May 24 13:12:52 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 10:12:52 -0700 Subject: Script Reporter v1.1 crashes Message-ID: <4BFAB394.7040803@fourthworld.com> Andrew Kluthe wrote: > I to am trying to export the script of my stacks in order to use them as a > guide for a re-write. I downloaded script reporter v1.1. No matter what > script I use, it starts to load them in and then hangs followed by a crash. > > > Are there any alternatives? What do you use that output for? There may be other ways to solve the root problem.... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From bobs at twft.com Mon May 24 13:13:45 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 10:13:45 -0700 Subject: Remote SQL databases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gotcha. Teaches me to take my web guy's word for it. :-) Bob On May 21, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Mark Stuart wrote: > Hi Bob, > on Fri May 21 17:31:53 CDT 2010, Bob Sneidar wrote: >>> > So now I have to think about using joins. > << > Just preface the table name that's in the other database with the > database_alias_name.table_name: > > SELECT cus.Customer_Number, cus.Customer_Name, ctyp.Customer_Type_Name > FROM database1.customers AS cus LEFT OUTER JOIN > database2.customer_types as ctyp ON cus.Customer_Type = > ctyp.Customer_Type_ID > > HTH, > Mark Stuart > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Mon May 24 13:19:07 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 10:19:07 -0700 Subject: mySQL & RevEnterprise: queries not returning expected values In-Reply-To: References: <07E6EF46-53AF-47FD-9293-7E850EAAEC80@twft.com> Message-ID: Trevor Devore's sqlYoga has an escape function that will escape properly for each type of database that Revolution can work with. Just one more reason to check it out! http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/ Bob On May 24, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > now one question, why revolution doesn't have something like php > mysql_real_escape() everyone here and his dog is implementing their own > escaping routines when it should be provided by the engine, specially since > mysql C library provides it, it is just a matter of wrapping around it. From andre at andregarzia.com Mon May 24 13:24:56 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:24:56 -0300 Subject: mySQL & RevEnterprise: queries not returning expected values In-Reply-To: References: <07E6EF46-53AF-47FD-9293-7E850EAAEC80@twft.com> Message-ID: I agree that sqlYoga is marvelous, but we can't use it in the context of revServer, thats why it woul pay well to have such function on the engine. Andre On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Trevor Devore's sqlYoga has an escape function that will escape properly > for each type of database that Revolution can work with. Just one more > reason to check it out! http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/ > > Bob > > > On May 24, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > > > now one question, why revolution doesn't have something like php > > mysql_real_escape() everyone here and his dog is implementing their own > > escaping routines when it should be provided by the engine, specially > since > > mysql C library provides it, it is just a matter of wrapping around it. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From bobs at twft.com Mon May 24 13:30:18 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 10:30:18 -0700 Subject: mySQL & RevEnterprise: queries not returning expected values In-Reply-To: References: <07E6EF46-53AF-47FD-9293-7E850EAAEC80@twft.com> Message-ID: <7232B6FD-50B5-4AC3-9AF6-F7F29B9EB887@twft.com> Hi Andre. You mean using Revlets? I can see that being an issue. I thought the question was general Revolution use. I access the On-Rev mySQL database with sqlYoga fine, but you are probably thinking of a different application. Bob On May 24, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > I agree that sqlYoga is marvelous, but we can't use it in the context of > revServer, thats why it woul pay well to have such function on the engine. > > Andre > > On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> Trevor Devore's sqlYoga has an escape function that will escape properly >> for each type of database that Revolution can work with. Just one more >> reason to check it out! http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/ >> >> Bob From andre at andregarzia.com Mon May 24 13:32:49 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:32:49 -0300 Subject: mySQL & RevEnterprise: queries not returning expected values In-Reply-To: <7232B6FD-50B5-4AC3-9AF6-F7F29B9EB887@twft.com> References: <07E6EF46-53AF-47FD-9293-7E850EAAEC80@twft.com> <7232B6FD-50B5-4AC3-9AF6-F7F29B9EB887@twft.com> Message-ID: no, revLets can use sqlYoga, revServer can't... revServer right now is only available on On-Rev.com it is a PHP like engine for Rev, and it needs some improvements... On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Hi Andre. > > You mean using Revlets? I can see that being an issue. I thought the > question was general Revolution use. I access the On-Rev mySQL database with > sqlYoga fine, but you are probably thinking of a different application. > > Bob > > > On May 24, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > > > I agree that sqlYoga is marvelous, but we can't use it in the context of > > revServer, thats why it woul pay well to have such function on the > engine. > > > > Andre > > > > On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > > >> Trevor Devore's sqlYoga has an escape function that will escape properly > >> for each type of database that Revolution can work with. Just one more > >> reason to check it out! http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/ > >> > >> Bob > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Mon May 24 13:39:11 2010 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:39:11 +0100 Subject: libURLftpCommand help required please.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33790ABE-4103-4D57-9467-9512B7EDC373@lacscentre.co.uk> On 24 May 2010, at 17:11, Bob Earp wrote: > > Many thanks for the replies on this.Mark/Jim - I've played around with quotes/no quotes, changing the address elements to include ftp.ashford.ca, httP://ashford.ca and combinations thereof, but I still get the error message "error invalid host address". I'm using Rev Enterprise v4.0.0 build 950 BTW.If it helps, I do get stuff returned without and error if I use put url "http://test:myTest at ashford.ca" into fld "results"Dave - It wasn't the LIST ftp command I was after, I just used that as an example of an ftp command that (I assumed) the libURLftpCommand would do as it seems to say that in the dictionary. Using PWD as a sample command, this works here: put libURLftpCommand("PWD","ashford.ca","test at ashford.ca","myTest") into fld "results" It returns: 257 "/" is your current location Dave From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon May 24 14:06:45 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 11:06:45 -0700 Subject: libURLftpCommand help required please.... In-Reply-To: <33790ABE-4103-4D57-9467-9512B7EDC373@lacscentre.co.uk> References: <33790ABE-4103-4D57-9467-9512B7EDC373@lacscentre.co.uk> Message-ID: <82-810929421.20100524110645@ahsoftware.net> Dave- Monday, May 24, 2010, 10:39:11 AM, you wrote: > It returns: > 257 "/" is your current location Yep - works here, too, as does the "HELP" command (returns a 214) -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From andrew at rjdfarm.com Mon May 24 14:10:58 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 11:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Script Reporter v1.1 crashes In-Reply-To: <4BFAB394.7040803@fourthworld.com> References: <1274714755232-2228724.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BFAB394.7040803@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1274724658373-2228952.post@n4.nabble.com> I just want to look off of them to use as a guide for doing a re-write. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Script-Reporter-v1-1-crashes-tp2228724p2228952.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rjearp at hotmail.com Mon May 24 15:34:03 2010 From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 12:34:03 -0700 Subject: libURLftpCommand help required please.... Message-ID: Hi Mark. Just tried that and it does not make any difference either way. Thanks for the idea though..best, Bob... On Mon, 24 May 2010 18:34:51 +0200 Mark Schonewille wrote:-Hi Bob, - -Have you set the FTP mode to passive? Look up libUrlSetFtpMode in the -dictionary. - --- -Best regards, -Mark Schonewille _________________________________________________________________ Win $10,000 from Hotmail! Enter Here. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9729708 From pete at mollysrevenge.com Mon May 24 16:03:51 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 13:03:51 -0700 Subject: Implementing a library of behavior buttons across multiple applications Message-ID: <2B366444-7F03-4736-A314-B2B33F49760F@mollysrevenge.com> I'm trying to figure out the best way to make a library of behavior buttons available to multiple applications. I originally developed the library as a substack of my application but would now like to move it to a separate .rev file and refer to it from other applications. Seems like that gives me a single maintenance point - fix any behavior problems in the library and it's automatically fixed in all applications. However, it's feeling like this isn't a practical solution. As I understand it, the behavior property of an object uses the long id of the button it refers to and I think the long id includes the operating system path to the .rev file that the button is in. Just for development purposes, I have three different folders I use - one for code and test, another for QA, and anther for the final application. SO if I set the behavior to point to my library of behaviors in the code and test folder, then move the app's .rev file to the QA folder, the behavior properties will still point to the behavior library of in the code and test folder. And so on. I'm sure there much more experienced users than me out there who have run into this problem and hoping they can share how they dealt with it. Only thing I can think of is a script that runs during installtion to go find all controls with a behavior property set and change it to the correct one. Pete Haworth -------------- next part -------------- http://www.mollysrevenge.com http://www.sonicbids.com/MollysRevenge http://www.myspace.com/mollysrevengeband From fabricemuller at me.com Mon May 24 16:43:32 2010 From: fabricemuller at me.com (Fabrice Muller) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:43:32 +0200 Subject: Dynamic screen during application execution ? In-Reply-To: References: <7AF66B70-666F-4986-B8E3-87A2556860DF@me.com> Message-ID: Hi David, Thanks very much for your response. For sure I'm interested to see what you have done. My stack is available here : http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/469/Mobile-Template-for-IPhone-IPad-Android My goal is to give a template to developers for the basic part of an application on mobile devices, more I could implement in the template, less the developers have to think about basic architecture and could focus on their business part. In the actual version, I have one sub-stack per device and I concentrate all code in the main stack, like that for sub-stack you just call command and function from main stack. This solution seems correct, but at the end you have to design your screen for each kind of device, with the risk of mistake. It's why I was thinking about 1 sub-stack only, and just design the screen on the fly when the program is executed, I though with this solution, you have less chance to do a mistake, and for the specific part I will just use "Switch, Case". The only bad thing is that you don't have a real screen available for developing, you have to put objects on the right place during execution and so... It's also why I search someone who has already experimented this kind of feature, I received absolutely no feedback from others about my template, and I'm not sure if it could help someone or not ... Thanks, Cheers, Fabrice On May 21, 2010, at 12:54 PM, David Bovill wrote: > Hi Fabrice, quick answer yes Revolution is plenty fast enough to do this > sort of dynamic screen resizing based on the device. Here are a few tips: > > - Dynamic scaling or toggle to different presets? With the latter you can > write script to simply take snapshots of their geometry and save them as a > custom prop > - Is it really any faster than creating distinct static interfaces? How > generic are the components? > - You may find that it is better to organise the project as stacks with > views that can be resized using behaviors attached to groups. The main > project stack would have your screen and the components would then be > sub-stacks. Rev is fast enough to copy the components from one stack to > another and redraw them for development. > - When finished you can if needed remove the templates in the library > substacks and keep the behaviors. > > Be happy to show you how it works with a screen cast, and interested to see > what components you want as I've a few in my library that might serve as a > starting point? > > On 21 May 2010 10:48, Fabrice Muller wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I'm thinking about a possibility of generating the screen during the >> execution of a program, depending >> the device where the application is running. Just few explanations : >> >> My stack has a card01 which contain every objects like buttons, fields and >> so with business code inside, >> a second card which is free of objects will be customized during the >> execution with the right screen size >> and a copy of every objects from card01 is done in this card with right >> placement on screen. >> >> With this solution, no more need to prepare an output screen for each kind >> of device like Iphone, android and >> so, it will be just generated during the execution and in the same time it >> will be possible to have 1 application >> for many different devices. >> >> I hope I'm clear .... My question !!! has someone already tried to >> implement this kind of solution ? >> Is it viable, is it quick enough and so ? >> >> Thanks very much for your feedback, >> Cheers, Fabriceo subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution *************************************************************** F.LA.M.A - Fabrice Muller Phone : +41 (21) 652.18.10 - Fax : +41 (21) 652.18.24 fabrice.muller at pobox.com - fabricemuller at me.com fmuller.flama at gmail.com http://fmuller.posterous.com/ *************************************************************** From bobs at twft.com Mon May 24 17:58:27 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:58:27 -0700 Subject: Remote SQL databases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark and all interested parties. Perhaps I failed to mention that the two databases do not know about each other. The SQL server doing the join has no access to the file based SQLite database it is doing a join against. I am pretty sure this is impossible to do like this. It's okay though because I thought of another method for accomplishing this. If I query the table I am importing data from for the key column data, I can create a query of records in the destination database for the same keys. I can then compare both results, and the source keys that I do not find in the destination keys I can insert into the destination database before I go on and do my real data updating. Another facet of this is that I want the Data Import/Merge feature to be highly scalable, so I am building in paging. I want to be able to use this functionality and also to make it available to others as a standalone stack or app in the future. I need to know the limits of Revolution when it comes to doing SQL queries. How big a data set, in terms of bytes of data, do you think would be the most I should have in my page size? I wonder if anyone on the list has ever really pushed the limits of Revolution data sets? I know it depends on how much memory Revolution has access to, because queries are returned as read only memory based data, and the conversion to a text string would effectively double that. Bob On May 21, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Mark Stuart wrote: > Hi Bob, > on Fri May 21 17:31:53 CDT 2010, Bob Sneidar wrote: >>> > So now I have to think about using joins. > << > Just preface the table name that's in the other database with the > database_alias_name.table_name: > > SELECT cus.Customer_Number, cus.Customer_Name, ctyp.Customer_Type_Name > FROM database1.customers AS cus LEFT OUTER JOIN > database2.customer_types as ctyp ON cus.Customer_Type = > ctyp.Customer_Type_ID > > HTH, > Mark Stuart > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jmyepes at mac.com Mon May 24 19:10:47 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Script Reporter v1.1 crashes In-Reply-To: <1274724658373-2228952.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1274714755232-2228724.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BFAB394.7040803@fourthworld.com> <1274724658373-2228952.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1274742647377-2229332.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi, The same for me, seems that enter into infite loop here: -- Sarah: remove any blank lines at the end & make sure there are enough to space entries repeat while the number of words in line -1 of tScript = 0 delete last line of tScript end repeat Any idea? Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Script-Reporter-v1-1-crashes-tp2228724p2229332.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Mon May 24 19:39:20 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 00:39:20 +0100 Subject: Dynamic screen during application execution ? In-Reply-To: References: <7AF66B70-666F-4986-B8E3-87A2556860DF@me.com> Message-ID: I've downloaded it - will digest and feed back :) On 24 May 2010 21:43, Fabrice Muller wrote: > Hi David, > > Thanks very much for your response. For sure I'm interested to see what you > have done. > > My stack is available here : > http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/469/Mobile-Template-for-IPhone-IPad-Android > > My goal is to give a template to developers for the basic part of an > application on mobile devices, > more I could implement in the template, less the developers have to think > about basic architecture and > could focus on their business part. > > In the actual version, I have one sub-stack per device and I concentrate > all code in the main stack, > like that for sub-stack you just call command and function from main stack. > This solution seems > correct, but at the end you have to design your screen for each kind of > device, with the risk of mistake. > > It's why I was thinking about 1 sub-stack only, and just design the screen > on the fly when the program > is executed, I though with this solution, you have less chance to do a > mistake, and for the specific > part I will just use "Switch, Case". The only bad thing is that you don't > have a real screen available > for developing, you have to put objects on the right place during execution > and so... > > It's also why I search someone who has already experimented this kind of > feature, I received absolutely > no feedback from others about my template, and I'm not sure if it could > help someone or not ... > > Thanks, > Cheers, Fabrice > > > On May 21, 2010, at 12:54 PM, David Bovill wrote: > > > Hi Fabrice, quick answer yes Revolution is plenty fast enough to do this > > sort of dynamic screen resizing based on the device. Here are a few tips: > > > > - Dynamic scaling or toggle to different presets? With the latter you > can > > write script to simply take snapshots of their geometry and save them > as a > > custom prop > > - Is it really any faster than creating distinct static interfaces? How > > generic are the components? > > - You may find that it is better to organise the project as stacks with > > views that can be resized using behaviors attached to groups. The main > > project stack would have your screen and the components would then be > > sub-stacks. Rev is fast enough to copy the components from one stack to > > another and redraw them for development. > > - When finished you can if needed remove the templates in the library > > substacks and keep the behaviors. > > > > Be happy to show you how it works with a screen cast, and interested to > see > > what components you want as I've a few in my library that might serve as > a > > starting point? > > > > On 21 May 2010 10:48, Fabrice Muller wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> I'm thinking about a possibility of generating the screen during the > >> execution of a program, depending > >> the device where the application is running. Just few explanations : > >> > >> My stack has a card01 which contain every objects like buttons, fields > and > >> so with business code inside, > >> a second card which is free of objects will be customized during the > >> execution with the right screen size > >> and a copy of every objects from card01 is done in this card with right > >> placement on screen. > >> > >> With this solution, no more need to prepare an output screen for each > kind > >> of device like Iphone, android and > >> so, it will be just generated during the execution and in the same time > it > >> will be possible to have 1 application > >> for many different devices. > >> > >> I hope I'm clear .... My question !!! has someone already tried to > >> implement this kind of solution ? > >> Is it viable, is it quick enough and so ? > >> > >> Thanks very much for your feedback, > >> Cheers, Fabriceo subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > >> preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > *************************************************************** > F.LA.M.A - Fabrice Muller > Phone : +41 (21) 652.18.10 - Fax : +41 (21) 652.18.24 > fabrice.muller at pobox.com - fabricemuller at me.com > fmuller.flama at gmail.com > http://fmuller.posterous.com/ > *************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Mon May 24 19:44:18 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 00:44:18 +0100 Subject: GLX Application Framework: difference between a resource and a stack Message-ID: Second go digging into this great open source framework: wandering the best way to get a stack loaded as a library on startup. So do I use a stack, or add it as a resource like the suggested route for datagrid the library - wandering what the difference is. The version I have is not teh same as the docs.. will have to check I have the lates... but in the mean time does anyone using the framework know how to best add libraries? From chipp at chipp.com Mon May 24 20:20:19 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 19:20:19 -0500 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: <634710364F2C4A6B8DE56D91607C5E98@GATEWAY> References: <634710364F2C4A6B8DE56D91607C5E98@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Looks interesting.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgOL8V2IBq8 I bought one to play around with.. On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Lynn Fredricks < lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote: > > http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39169%7Er.29767964%7 > > Er.96035782> > > > > I don't have it yet, but I will report here how it performs. > > I already plan to update the firmware based on reports that > > some bugs will be fixed, and it should improve responsiveness > > and battery life too. > > Roger (and others), I think it would be great if you could keep us all up > on > how that works and usability. Since there are going to be oodles of Android > devices, its going to be up to us to share experiences for deploying > RevAndroid apps (when that happens). > > I think it would be interesting especially to see how an "entry priced" > product like this handles being updated to something like 2.2 when it > arrives. > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > President > Paradigma Software > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon May 24 22:18:54 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:18:54 +1000 Subject: Script Reporter v1.1 crashes In-Reply-To: <1274742647377-2229332.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1274714755232-2228724.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BFAB394.7040803@fourthworld.com> <1274724658373-2228952.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274742647377-2229332.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I don't remember this script, but I suggest adding a check for tScript being empty. repeat while the number of words in line -1 of tScript = 0 delete last line of tScript if tScript is empty then exit repeat end repeat That might fix it. Cheers, Sarah On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:10 AM, JosepM wrote: > > Hi, > > The same for me, seems that enter into infite loop here: > > ?-- Sarah: remove any blank lines at the end & make sure there are enough > to space entries > ? ? ? ?repeat while the number of words in line -1 of tScript = 0 > ? ? ? ? ? ?delete last line of tScript > ? ? ? ?end repeat > > > Any idea? > > Salut, > Josep > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Script-Reporter-v1-1-crashes-tp2228724p2229332.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon May 24 23:25:53 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 20:25:53 -0700 Subject: Editing Text Selections? Message-ID: Sorry for posting what I'm sure is a beaten-horse topic, but I feel like I'm reinventing the wheel here and am under a deadline... Since Rev is incapable of maintaining multiple text selections, is the "proper" way to create a text editor (ie: select some text in a field, and for example, set the size of the text using another field) to create an artificial selection of the selected text? In the list archives, I read the technique of setting the backColor of the selected text so that it appears to remain selected while focus changes to fields in the "editor". Is this the accepted way to go about setting up a text editor? I'm asking because it's seems like a fragile arrangement, easy to generate errors based on when text is actually selected versus when it's not. I just wanted to make sure that this is the right method to use before I go too far in this direction. Hope this makes sense -- thanks in advance for any suggestions/confirmations/rejections. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Mon May 24 23:51:33 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:51:33 +1000 Subject: Editing Text Selections? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Scott - not sure whether it's the accepted way but it's what I've done in the past. If you can get by with buttons and menus for your editing selections then you wont have to go down this road but if you must have fields then I can't think of a viable alternative. Terry... On 25/05/10 1:25 PM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: > Sorry for posting what I'm sure is a beaten-horse topic, but I feel like I'm > reinventing the wheel here and am under a deadline... > > Since Rev is incapable of maintaining multiple text selections, is the > "proper" way to create a text editor (ie: select some text in a field, and > for example, set the size of the text using another field) to create an > artificial selection of the selected text? In the list archives, I read the > technique of setting the backColor of the selected text so that it appears > to remain selected while focus changes to fields in the "editor". Is this > the accepted way to go about setting up a text editor? > > I'm asking because it's seems like a fragile arrangement, easy to generate > errors based on when text is actually selected versus when it's not. I just > wanted to make sure that this is the right method to use before I go too far > in this direction. > > Hope this makes sense -- thanks in advance for any > suggestions/confirmations/rejections. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobcole at earthlink.net Tue May 25 00:00:59 2010 From: bobcole at earthlink.net (Bob Cole) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:00:59 -0500 Subject: Remote SQL databases Message-ID: <40EEF974-5A54-4CA1-999D-4C594453B788@earthlink.net> I am not a MySQL expert but I have found that it is possible to join different databases, each with various tables. The trick is to use the database name to fully qualify the table and item such as: SELECT db1.table1.item1, db2.table2.item1 FROM db1.table1, db2.table2 WHERE ... Here is a sample that I have used successfully: put "SELECT db1.table1.date, " into tSQLcommand put "db2.table2.type, FORMAT(db2.table2.amount,2), " after tSQLcommand put "db1.table1.code1 " after tSQLcommand put "FROM db1.table1 " after tSQLcommand put "INNER JOIN db2.table2 ON db1.table1.code1 = db2.table2.code2 " after tSQLcommand put "WHERE db2.table2.amount > 1.00 " after tSQLcommand put "ORDER BY db1.table1.date; " after tSQLcommand put revDataFromQuery(tab, return, tConId, tSQLcommand) into tItems I did not find it necessary to give the databases alias names. In my situation, both databases are on the same machine and can be accessed using the same username/password. Hope this helps. Bob Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 18:19:24 -0300, From: Andre Garzia Subject: Re: Remote SQL databases I did it on my 6k thousand table database... It works fine for us. I have something like select Database1.* from DatabaseName1.Table1 as Database1, DatabaseName2.Table2 ... On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Bob- > > Sunday, May 23, 2010, 12:04:03 PM, you wrote: > >> Oh hello! You are saying you CAN do a join on a table that is not in >> the same database? > > Well, I haven't tried it, bu Mark S. implied that it was possible with > two different aliases... > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net From bobs at twft.com Tue May 25 00:06:50 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 21:06:50 -0700 Subject: Editing Text Selections? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F8EB8BE-03F6-43AC-A7FC-A004889DDCD5@twft.com> I have heard rumors of advanced text control in the next major version of rev. I wonder, if that is not too far off, if it wouldn't be worth it to wait until that update, preceded by numerous pleas to the powers that be to implement such functionality so as to make your present conundrum moot? (Gawd I love using big words!) Bob Sneidar IT Manager Calvary Chapel CM Sent from iPhone On May 24, 2010, at 20:51, Terry Judd wrote: >> Since Rev is incapable of maintaining multiple text selections, is >> the >> "proper" way to create a text editor (ie: select some text in a >> field, and >> for example, set the size of the text using another field) to >> create an >> artificial selection of the selected text? In the list archives, I >> read the >> technique of setting the backColor of the selected text so that it >> appears >> to remain selected while From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Tue May 25 01:32:43 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:32:43 -0700 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: References: <634710364F2C4A6B8DE56D91607C5E98@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <2E45A24658AC4519B571DB8D0EC06DDD@GATEWAY> > Looks interesting.... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgOL8V2IBq8 > > > I bought one to play around with.. It would be great if you guys would give the rest of us feedback on how well it works. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From bvlahos at mac.com Tue May 25 01:44:02 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:44:02 -0700 Subject: Binary files inconsistency Message-ID: <43D643A7-DADA-4ABD-BAD9-810C8AD87E42@mac.com> The next version of InfoWallet will support attaching files that are compressed and encrypted when stored. I've noticed that it works correctly with some files but not others. The script below takes a binary file, compresses it, decompresses it, and then saves it back to disk. I've skipped the encryption part for this recipe because it behaves the same way. It works correctly with .jpg, pdf, and .doc files but not .pages or keynote. Make a new stack and put the following script in a button. on mouseUp answer file "Select a file:" if it is not empty then put it into lFileToRead put URL ("binfile:" & lFileToRead) into vFile put compress(vFile) into vFile set the itemdelimiter to tab ask file "Select destination to save file:" with the last item of lFileToRead if it is not empty then put it into vFilePath put decompress(vFile) into vFile put vFile into URL ("binfile:" & vFilePath) set the filetype to "" end if end if end mouseUp The saved Pages or Keynote files have zero length. Why is that and how do I make this work with any file? Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. From sims at ezpzapps.com Tue May 25 01:46:48 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 07:46:48 +0200 Subject: Binary files inconsistency In-Reply-To: <43D643A7-DADA-4ABD-BAD9-810C8AD87E42@mac.com> References: <43D643A7-DADA-4ABD-BAD9-810C8AD87E42@mac.com> Message-ID: <31C94EE2-8CAE-4F88-BE9E-E6B5BA3A3F0F@ezpzapps.com> On May 25, 2010, at 7:44 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > > The saved Pages or Keynote files have zero length. Why is that and how do I make this work with any file? > Aren't those actually folders and not simply files? Would that affect what you are trying to do? sims From jmyepes at mac.com Tue May 25 02:37:44 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Script Reporter v1.1 crashes In-Reply-To: References: <1274714755232-2228724.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BFAB394.7040803@fourthworld.com> <1274724658373-2228952.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274742647377-2229332.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1AC5BE6B-CA06-4D26-BC23-DD3A88483405@mac.com> Hi Sarah, Still freezing... it's inside the "on GetScripts" to show all the scripts. on GetScripts set the itemdelimiter to Tab put empty into fld AllScripts -- Sarah: 9th Feb 2009 -- changed to using plain text, not htmltext and then using Rev 3 script colorization repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in fld Display . . .end GetScripts The the last repeat seems don't work.. Salut, Josep El 25/05/2010, a las 4:19, Sarah Reichelt-2 [via Runtime Revolution] escribi?: > I don't remember this script, but I suggest adding a check for tScript > being empty. > > repeat while the number of words in line -1 of tScript = 0 > delete last line of tScript > if tScript is empty then exit repeat > end repeat > > That might fix it. > > Cheers, > Sarah > > > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:10 AM, JosepM <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > The same for me, seems that enter into infite loop here: > > > > ? -- Sarah: remove any blank lines at the end & make sure there > are enough > > to space entries > > ? ? ? ? repeat while the number of words in line -1 of tScript > = 0 > > ? ? ? ? ? ? delete last line of tScript > > ? ? ? ? end repeat > > > > > > Any idea? > > > > Salut, > > Josep > > -- > > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Script-Reporter-v1-1-crashes-tp2228724p2229332.html > > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > [hidden email] > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Script-Reporter-v1-1-crashes-tp2228724p2229415.html > To unsubscribe from Re: Script Reporter v1.1 crashes, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Script-Reporter-v1-1-crashes-tp2228724p2229569.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue May 25 03:00:08 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 00:00:08 -0700 Subject: Binary files inconsistency In-Reply-To: <43D643A7-DADA-4ABD-BAD9-810C8AD87E42@mac.com> References: <43D643A7-DADA-4ABD-BAD9-810C8AD87E42@mac.com> Message-ID: Different than other file systems. Pages and keynote documents are not files but packages with many files inside. MacOS Finder abstracts them as application or document units but they must be handled differently. This is also true for complex textedit documents (.rtfd) and some documents saved by EyeTv, iMovie, etc. On 24 May 2010 22:44, Bill Vlahos wrote: > The next version of InfoWallet will support attaching files that are > compressed and encrypted when stored. I've noticed that it works correctly > with some files but not others. > > The script below takes a binary file, compresses it, decompresses it, and > then saves it back to disk. I've skipped the encryption part for this recipe > because it behaves the same way. It works correctly with .jpg, pdf, and .doc > files but not .pages or keynote. Make a new stack and put the following > script in a button. > > on mouseUp > answer file "Select a file:" > if it is not empty then > put it into lFileToRead > put URL ("binfile:" & lFileToRead) into vFile > put compress(vFile) into vFile > set the itemdelimiter to tab > ask file "Select destination to save file:" with the last item of > lFileToRead > if it is not empty then > put it into vFilePath > put decompress(vFile) into vFile > put vFile into URL ("binfile:" & vFilePath) > set the filetype to "" > end if > end if > end mouseUp > > The saved Pages or Keynote files have zero length. Why is that and how do I > make this work with any file? > > > Bill Vlahos > _________________ > InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important > life information with you, accessible, and secure. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue May 25 03:57:44 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 09:57:44 +0200 Subject: Implementing a library of behavior buttons across multiple applications In-Reply-To: <2B366444-7F03-4736-A314-B2B33F49760F@mollysrevenge.com> References: <2B366444-7F03-4736-A314-B2B33F49760F@mollysrevenge.com> Message-ID: <8A716DDD-4FF2-4635-BED7-50AB2E7E76E8@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Peter, No, you don't need to include the operating system's path to the stack file. For example, the following is a correct reference for a behavior: button id 1015 of stack "Untitled 1" You can keep one copy of your stack with parent objects on your hard disk and add this stack to the stackfiles property of the mainstack of your project. When you build the standalone, the stack will be copied into your standalone and above reference will still work. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 24 mei 2010, at 22:03, Peter Haworth wrote: > I'm trying to figure out the best way to make a library of behavior > buttons available to multiple applications. > > I originally developed the library as a substack of my application > but would now like to move it to a separate .rev file and refer to > it from other applications. Seems like that gives me a single > maintenance point - fix any behavior problems in the library and > it's automatically fixed in all applications. > > However, it's feeling like this isn't a practical solution. As I > understand it, the behavior property of an object uses the long id > of the button it refers to and I think the long id includes the > operating system path to the .rev file that the button is in. > > Just for development purposes, I have three different folders I use > - one for code and test, another for QA, and anther for the final > application. SO if I set the behavior to point to my library of > behaviors in the code and test folder, then move the app's .rev file > to the QA folder, the behavior properties will still point to the > behavior library of in the code and test folder. And so on. > > I'm sure there much more experienced users than me out there who > have run into this problem and hoping they can share how they dealt > with it. Only thing I can think of is a script that runs during > installtion to go find all controls with a behavior property set and > change it to the correct one. > > Pete Haworth From rman at free.fr Tue May 25 06:52:52 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 03:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RevBrowserPrint In-Reply-To: <25ECD733-B4D2-433B-BA6D-458A667B2BE6@LinkIt.Com> References: <7c87a2a11002221453p1d92b469i16f3207d16120e9b@mail.gmail.com> <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <4BFF2482-25B3-47C7-8011-58A50A6DEAE6@lacscentre.co.uk> <55B9266F-D277-4C56-BE68-B0536C55DBFE@twft.com> <8002E814-0F7E-404E-9445-02C5BD2C6431@LinkIt.Com> <25ECD733-B4D2-433B-BA6D-458A667B2BE6@LinkIt.Com> Message-ID: <1274784772588-2229797.post@n4.nabble.com> I am looking for a solution to print pdf files from the browser. problems -------- to summit up regarding the limitations of revBrowserPrint command : 1) No background print process : revbrowser systematicaly calls the dialog, no parameters can be passed and you get no answer about what has been going on. In my case, I wanted preset pdf printing and give a file name. Out it goes! (why are so many basic needs only fullfilled to 90% by runrev implementation... begining tro drive me nuts and doubtful!) 2) Not reliable for flash content : doe not seem to print out flash content... which is a serious problem for a lot of sites.. and revBrowser is often crashed on intensive flash based sites when revBrowserPrint is called (my experience on macBook mac os x 10.5.8). 3) Sometimes prints the whole html page, good, but other times only the visible portion of the browser, like a picture, and that is no good! I did not quite get the rationale of it (when exacly and why..). it seems it may be linked with 2) maybe trying to offer an alternate view when not able to print the flash content!? to be a little bit positive, I'll have to troddle on and see what can be done with safari scripting but there goes the windows compatibility away and the whole point of using runrev as a multi-platform dev tool.. Sometimes I do have the xTalk blues or is it the runrev blues!?? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RevBrowserPrint-tp1564242p2229797.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From DunbarX at aol.com Tue May 25 09:48:34 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 09:48:34 EDT Subject: Editing Text Selections? Message-ID: <9a30.40e629f1.392d2f32@aol.com> I think I see what you are trying to achieve. But even if Rev supported discontinuous selections in an editable field, how would you actually select the various chunks? Normally, the current selection is released when you click somewhere else in the field. But if you did it by holding down the commandKey, which also generates a mouseUp message, then couldn't you: on mouseUp set the textstyle of the selectedChunk to "bold" storeHTMLTextSomeWhere end mouseUp I am interested to see how the multiple selections are actually made if this is a new feature in an upcoming release. CommandKey as in a list field? Craig Newman From kee at kagi.com Tue May 25 11:26:05 2010 From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 08:26:05 -0700 Subject: table cell text wrapping? In-Reply-To: <43D643A7-DADA-4ABD-BAD9-810C8AD87E42@mac.com> References: <43D643A7-DADA-4ABD-BAD9-810C8AD87E42@mac.com> Message-ID: <09D93D49-AD32-44D6-8D09-852F53D2AA96@kagi.com> Can I configure a table so that if the text for a cell is too long, it will wrap within that cell (pushing that row to be taller so that multiple lines of text get displayed)? If so, how? The wrap checkbox appears to be disabled when I'm dealing with a table. Kee From josh at dvcreators.net Tue May 25 12:09:11 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 09:09:11 -0700 Subject: table cell text wrapping? In-Reply-To: <09D93D49-AD32-44D6-8D09-852F53D2AA96@kagi.com> References: <43D643A7-DADA-4ABD-BAD9-810C8AD87E42@mac.com> <09D93D49-AD32-44D6-8D09-852F53D2AA96@kagi.com> Message-ID: <41F2B9E7-8C60-49F3-9E82-A16A5DC9633B@dvcreators.net> Not with the standard table, but you can with a data grid form: http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3787-How-Do-I-Create-a-Form-with-Variable-Line-Heights- On May 25, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Kee Nethery wrote: > Can I configure a table so that if the text for a cell is too long, > it will wrap within that cell (pushing that row to be taller so that > multiple lines of text get displayed)? > > If so, how? The wrap checkbox appears to be disabled when I'm > dealing with a table. > > Kee_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pete at mollysrevenge.com Tue May 25 12:10:18 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 09:10:18 -0700 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 80, Issue 81 In-Reply-To: <20100525075744.D86B4288261@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100525075744.D86B4288261@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <8DDBA26F-4821-46A9-AF0F-E333C1F15430@mollysrevenge.com> I'm glad to gear such a simple solution! My concerns were all based on the following in the dictionary entry for "behavior": "The behavior property is a reference to a button containing the script to use. It is in the format of a long ID." I guess I need to be more careful about believing what the dictionary says! Pete Haworth On May 25, 2010, at 12:57 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Hi Peter, > > No, you don't need to include the operating system's path to the stack > file. For example, the following is a correct reference for a > behavior: button id 1015 of stack "Untitled 1" > > You can keep one copy of your stack with parent objects on your hard > disk and add this stack to the stackfiles property of the mainstack of > your project. When you build the standalone, the stack will be copied > into your standalone and above reference will still work. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a > quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and > share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 24 mei 2010, at 22:03, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> I'm trying to figure out the best way to make a library of behavior >> buttons available to multiple applications. >> >> I originally developed the library as a substack of my application >> but would now like to move it to a separate .rev file and refer to >> it from other applications. Seems like that gives me a single >> maintenance point - fix any behavior problems in the library and >> it's automatically fixed in all applications. >> >> However, it's feeling like this isn't a practical solution. As I >> understand it, the behavior property of an object uses the long id >> of the button it refers to and I think the long id includes the >> operating system path to the .rev file that the button is in. >> >> Just for development purposes, I have three different folders I use >> - one for code and test, another for QA, and anther for the final >> application. SO if I set the behavior to point to my library of >> behaviors in the code and test folder, then move the app's .rev file >> to the QA folder, the behavior properties will still point to the >> behavior library of in the code and test folder. And so on. >> >> I'm sure there much more experienced users than me out there who >> have run into this problem and hoping they can share how they dealt >> with it. Only thing I can think of is a script that runs during >> installtion to go find all controls with a behavior property set and >> change it to the correct one. >> >> Pete Haworth > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 25 12:30:19 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:30:19 +0300 Subject: [OT] Plovdiv . . . / hard CASE Message-ID: <4BFBFB1B.1090000@gmail.com> Somebody on this Use-List surmised that Plovdiv, Bulgaria might be rather like Madison, Wisconsin (or thereabouts). Going in search of a new PATA 160 GB disk (not that easy now that everybody except Richmond has "gone SATA") I ended up parking my car next to this place: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Plovdiv/backside-cafe/153149382431 Had no time so didn't pop in for a drink; but fell for it instantly: I mean, with a name like that, who wouldn't . . . :) ------------------------------------------------------------ Tonight I am disciplining myself to work through my CASE problem; where a CASE loop goes AWOL when the stack becomes a standalone. Theories so far: case 101 if the vis of group "CONZ" is true then send "mouseUp" to img "2327k" break else send "mouseUp" to img "f2310.png" break end if doesn't "hold"; so . . . Perhaps: case 101 if the vis of group "CONZ" is true then send "mouseUp" to img "2327k" break end if if the vis of group "CONZ" is false then send "mouseUp" to img "f2310.png" break end if (err . . . tried that one last night; no joy) case 101 if the vis of group "CONZ" is true then send "mouseUp" to img "2327k" break end if if the vis of group "VWLZ" is true then send "mouseUp" to img "f2310.png" break end if (groups "CONZ" and "VWLZ" flip their visibility back and forth) if this doesn't work I will go for a pair of off-screen images that VIS in-sync with the groups and pop them into the case statement. Will keep you posted. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May yet end up walking across town to the "Backside Cafe" if things get too, too other . . . :( At least I might learn some Turkish; after all, having lived on-and-off for over 10 years in a town that was part of the Ottoman Empire for some 500 years, and where 25% of the population are either Turkish-speaking ethnic Turks or Turkish-speaking ethnic Romanies it is a little bit disgraceful I have not a word of Turkish. Richmond. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue May 25 12:33:27 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 09:33:27 -0700 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 80, Issue 81 Message-ID: <4BFBFBD7.7090606@fourthworld.com> Peter Haworth wrote: > I'm glad to gear such a simple solution! My concerns were all based > on the following in the dictionary entry for "behavior": > > "The behavior property is a reference to a button containing the > script to use. It is in the format of a long ID." > > I guess I need to be more careful about believing what the dictionary > says! > > Pete Haworth The docs are kinda correct, but just don't tell the whole story (I'm cc'ing support here so the Dictionary entry can be updated to reflect the full story): You can use the long ID of a button to set the value of the behavior property for an object, but once it's set it gets stored using only the short name of the stack the behavior button is in. This is explained more fully in the ParentScriptNotes.txt document included with the Rev install: PARENT SCRIPTS - RESOLUTION A control's parent script reference is saved in the stackfile as three pieces of information: 1) button id 2) stack name 3) mainstack name (if stack is substack) This is the minimum required information to uniquely identify a button within a running Revolution environment. Immediately after loading a stack file, an attempt is made to resolve all parentScript references - the engine acts as if it constructs a control reference: button id of stack [ of stack ] And attempts to access it. Thus, the stackFiles property will be searched as appropriate and any needed stacks will be loaded. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From bobs at twft.com Tue May 25 12:43:37 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 09:43:37 -0700 Subject: Remote SQL databases In-Reply-To: <40EEF974-5A54-4CA1-999D-4C594453B788@earthlink.net> References: <40EEF974-5A54-4CA1-999D-4C594453B788@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <74941CE4-A5C1-4BC0-B26B-81E837ED181B@twft.com> All well and good... so long as the database DOING the JOIN knows about the database it is joining to. In my case, this is not so. The joining database has no access to the related database. Thanks for the help tho. It's still an education. Bob On May 24, 2010, at 9:00 PM, Bob Cole wrote: > I am not a MySQL expert but I have found that it is possible to join different databases, each with various tables. > The trick is to use the database name to fully qualify the table and item such as: > SELECT db1.table1.item1, db2.table2.item1 FROM db1.table1, db2.table2 WHERE ... > > Here is a sample that I have used successfully: > put "SELECT db1.table1.date, " into tSQLcommand > put "db2.table2.type, FORMAT(db2.table2.amount,2), " after tSQLcommand > put "db1.table1.code1 " after tSQLcommand > put "FROM db1.table1 " after tSQLcommand > put "INNER JOIN db2.table2 ON db1.table1.code1 = db2.table2.code2 " after tSQLcommand > put "WHERE db2.table2.amount > 1.00 " after tSQLcommand > put "ORDER BY db1.table1.date; " after tSQLcommand > put revDataFromQuery(tab, return, tConId, tSQLcommand) into tItems > > I did not find it necessary to give the databases alias names. > In my situation, both databases are on the same machine and can be accessed using the same username/password. > Hope this helps. > Bob > > > Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 18:19:24 -0300, From: Andre Garzia > Subject: Re: Remote SQL databases > > I did it on my 6k thousand table database... > > It works fine for us. > > I have something like > > select Database1.* from DatabaseName1.Table1 as Database1, > DatabaseName2.Table2 ... > > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> Bob- >> >> Sunday, May 23, 2010, 12:04:03 PM, you wrote: >> >>> Oh hello! You are saying you CAN do a join on a table that is not in >>> the same database? >> >> Well, I haven't tried it, bu Mark S. implied that it was possible with >> two different aliases... >> >> -- >> -Mark Wieder >> mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Tue May 25 12:45:43 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 09:45:43 -0700 Subject: Script Reporter v1.1 crashes In-Reply-To: <1AC5BE6B-CA06-4D26-BC23-DD3A88483405@mac.com> References: <1274714755232-2228724.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BFAB394.7040803@fourthworld.com> <1274724658373-2228952.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274742647377-2229332.post@n4.nabble.com> <1AC5BE6B-CA06-4D26-BC23-DD3A88483405@mac.com> Message-ID: Is Display a keyword now? Try enclosing the field name in quotes. I make it a habit to do so to avoid the possibility of getting it confused with a keyword or a variable. Bob On May 24, 2010, at 11:37 PM, JosepM wrote: > > Hi Sarah, > > Still freezing... it's inside the "on GetScripts" to show all the > scripts. > > on GetScripts > set the itemdelimiter to Tab > put empty into fld AllScripts > > -- Sarah: 9th Feb 2009 > -- changed to using plain text, not htmltext and then using Rev 3 > script colorization > > repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in fld Display > . > . > .end GetScripts > > The the last repeat seems don't work.. > > > Salut, > Josep > > El 25/05/2010, a las 4:19, Sarah Reichelt-2 [via Runtime Revolution] > escribi?: > >> I don't remember this script, but I suggest adding a check for tScript >> being empty. >> >> repeat while the number of words in line -1 of tScript = 0 >> delete last line of tScript >> if tScript is empty then exit repeat >> end repeat >> >> That might fix it. >> >> Cheers, >> Sarah >> >> >> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:10 AM, JosepM <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The same for me, seems that enter into infite loop here: >>> >>> ? -- Sarah: remove any blank lines at the end & make sure there >> are enough >>> to space entries >>> ? ? ? ? repeat while the number of words in line -1 of tScript >> = 0 >>> ? ? ? ? ? ? delete last line of tScript >>> ? ? ? ? end repeat >>> >>> >>> Any idea? >>> >>> Salut, >>> Josep >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Script-Reporter-v1-1-crashes-tp2228724p2229332.html >>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> [hidden email] >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Script-Reporter-v1-1-crashes-tp2228724p2229415.html >> To unsubscribe from Re: Script Reporter v1.1 crashes, click here. >> > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Script-Reporter-v1-1-crashes-tp2228724p2229569.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue May 25 13:00:56 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 10:00:56 -0700 Subject: Script Reporter v1.1 crashes Message-ID: <4BFC0248.40707@fourthworld.com> Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: >> What do you use that output for? >> >> There may be other ways to solve the root problem.... > > I just want to look off of them to use as a guide for doing a re-write. Thanks. I ask because I used to write script dumpers for every new xTalk I picked up, but over the years I found the workflow involving them less effective than looking at the problem sort of inside-out: rather than taking scripts out of their context where they live and where I could work on them directly, I've become more interested in exploring ways to find what I'm looking for in that native context. Can you tell us a bit more about this review process and the scope of the rewrite? I wonder if some of my script searching tools may be able to help. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue May 25 13:19:44 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 10:19:44 -0700 Subject: Remote SQL databases In-Reply-To: <40EEF974-5A54-4CA1-999D-4C594453B788@earthlink.net> References: <40EEF974-5A54-4CA1-999D-4C594453B788@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <114-727349750.20100525101944@ahsoftware.net> Bob- Monday, May 24, 2010, 9:00:59 PM, you wrote: > I am not a MySQL expert but I have found that it is possible to > join different databases, each with various tables. Bob S.'s main issue here is that he's trying to join two different *types* of databases, a MySQL database and a SQLite database. That can't be done with an SQL statement because the SQL command is performed by the database itself. So if you send a SQL command to the MySQL database it's getting executed by the MySQL engine, not by rev. The MySQL engine has no knowledge of any other databases, and so it would fail. I think the only way around this is to issue two SQL commands, one to MySQL, one to SQLite, then take the recordsets and mangle them yourself, pretending that you're the cross-db-type engine. Could get ugly. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue May 25 13:25:49 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:25:49 -0500 Subject: [OT] Plovdiv . . . / hard CASE In-Reply-To: <4BFBFB1B.1090000@gmail.com> References: <4BFBFB1B.1090000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BFC081D.1050203@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Tonight I am disciplining myself to work through my CASE problem; > where a CASE loop goes AWOL when the stack becomes a standalone. There's not enough info to say what's going wrong, but you'd save yourself a lot of time if you set a breakpoint near the top of the switch structure and step through it line by line. That would show you whether a case instance is executing or not, which line of the script isn't activating, what the state of the variables are, whether or not the engine thinks a group is visible, and so forth. Without that, it's just stabbing in the dark trying to guess what's happening. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue May 25 13:30:13 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 10:30:13 -0700 Subject: [OT] Plovdiv . . . / hard CASE In-Reply-To: <4BFC081D.1050203@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BFBFB1B.1090000@gmail.com> <4BFC081D.1050203@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <185-726720515.20100525103013@ahsoftware.net> Jacque- Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 10:25:49 AM, you wrote: > There's not enough info to say what's going wrong, but you'd save > yourself a lot of time if you set a breakpoint near the top of the > switch structure and step through it line by line. That would show you Unless you've got some trick in mind I don't know about, that isn't going to help Richmond in a standalone... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From joef1 at mac.com Tue May 25 13:32:15 2010 From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:32:15 -0400 Subject: Listing available MYSQL databases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <252AC3B5-8A55-4AA1-8164-D2E364616C49@mac.com> This script would make promysql evaluate to "mysqlshow - u nrl -pnrl1" On May 23, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote: > Hello, > > Has anyone successfully used either "open process" or "get shell()" to list > the databases available on a machine. > >> From the command line I do the following and get the results I am looking > for: > > [nrl at localhost ~]$ mysqlshow -u nrl -p > Enter password: (I enter the > password nrl1 here) > +--------------------+ > | Databases | > +--------------------+ > | information_schema | > | lab0624 | > | test | > +--------------------+ > [nrl at localhost ~]$ > > My script is as follows: > on mouseUp > put "mysqlshow - u nrl -p" into promysql > put "nrl1" after promysql > get shell(promysql) > put it > write "quit" to process promysql > close process promysql > end mouseUp > > The resulting message is: > > mysqlshow: Access denied for user 'nrl'@'%' to database '-' > > I am currently logged in as nrl in the Fedora 11 system and running Rev > under that user name. > > open process lead to the same results? > > thanks, > > Glen > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pete at mollysrevenge.com Tue May 25 13:36:13 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 10:36:13 -0700 Subject: Implementing a library of behavior buttons across multiple applications In-Reply-To: <20100525170004.55B01288341@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100525170004.55B01288341@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <13BA7F37-0056-47F6-B9B1-21B336C46AEC@mollysrevenge.com> Thanks for the explanation Richard. This stuff isn't made any easier by the fact that there are multiple names available for the same thing - behavior=parentScript apparently. Getting back to Mark's answer and the use of stack files, I see two separate places where additional stack files can be specified - the stackFiles property of the main Stack (or the equivalent pane in the main stack inspector), and the Stacks pane of the Standalone Application Settings which gives rise to the question, what is the relationship between these two settings? Does one override the other? Is stackFiles operative for the development environment only and the standalone setting for standalone applications only? Pete Haworth On May 25, 2010, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 09:33:27 -0700 > From: Richard Gaskin > Subject: Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 80, Issue 81 > To: How to use Revolution > Cc: Runtime Revolution Support > Message-ID: <4BFBFBD7.7090606 at fourthworld.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Peter Haworth wrote: > >> I'm glad to gear such a simple solution! My concerns were all based >> on the following in the dictionary entry for "behavior": >> >> "The behavior property is a reference to a button containing the >> script to use. It is in the format of a long ID." >> >> I guess I need to be more careful about believing what the dictionary >> says! >> >> Pete Haworth > > The docs are kinda correct, but just don't tell the whole story (I'm > cc'ing support here so the Dictionary entry can be updated to reflect > the full story): > > You can use the long ID of a button to set the value of the behavior > property for an object, but once it's set it gets stored using only > the > short name of the stack the behavior button is in. > > This is explained more fully in the ParentScriptNotes.txt document > included with the Rev install: > > > PARENT SCRIPTS - RESOLUTION > > A control's parent script reference is saved in the stackfile > as three pieces of information: > 1) button id > 2) stack name > 3) mainstack name (if stack is substack) > This is the minimum required information to uniquely identify > a button within a running Revolution environment. > > Immediately after loading a stack file, an attempt is made to > resolve all parentScript references - the engine acts as if > it constructs a control reference: > button id of stack [ of stack name> ] > And attempts to access it. Thus, the stackFiles property will be > searched as appropriate and any needed stacks will be loaded. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue May 25 13:40:22 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:40:22 -0500 Subject: [OT] Plovdiv . . . / hard CASE In-Reply-To: <185-726720515.20100525103013@ahsoftware.net> References: <4BFBFB1B.1090000@gmail.com> <4BFC081D.1050203@hyperactivesw.com> <185-726720515.20100525103013@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4BFC0B86.4050407@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Wieder wrote: > Jacque- > > Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 10:25:49 AM, you wrote: > >> There's not enough info to say what's going wrong, but you'd save >> yourself a lot of time if you set a breakpoint near the top of the >> switch structure and step through it line by line. That would show you > > Unless you've got some trick in mind I don't know about, that isn't > going to help Richmond in a standalone... > Oh. Oops. Forgot it was a standalone thing. I guess the only recourse then is to sprinkle a bunch of answers into the code, i.e., "case 101, got here, vis is true", etc. Or better, log all that to a text file. Richmond: there should be no difference between the visibility of a group in a stack and in a standalone, so I think something else is going on. My first impression was that running cross-platform would mean that the keycodes aren't the same across OSs, but if you're running the standalone on the same system you developed in, then that's not it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue May 25 14:08:06 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:08:06 -0700 Subject: Implementing a library of behavior buttons across multiple applications Message-ID: <4BFC1206.4090302@fourthworld.com> Peter Haworth wrote: > Thanks for the explanation Richard. This stuff isn't made any easier > by the fact that there are multiple names available for the same thing > - behavior=parentScript apparently. You can safely ignore "parentScript". That was the name that I used when I first proposed this feature many years ago, having picked it up from meetings with the SuperCard team years earlier when they were considering it. Rev adopted it for an early beta distribution, but by Beta 2 they had come up with "behavior" instead, and noted in the ParentScript Notes that "parentScript" is deprecated; while it's currently accepted as a synonym for behavior to help a few people who started building big projects with that early beta, it won't live forever. > Getting back to Mark's answer and the use of stack files, I see two > separate places where additional stack files can be specified - the > stackFiles property of the main Stack (or the equivalent pane in the > main stack inspector), and the Stacks pane of the Standalone > Application Settings which gives rise to the question, what is the > relationship between these two settings? Does one override the other? > Is stackFiles operative for the development environment only and the > standalone setting for standalone applications only? Two different things: The "Stacks" pane in the SB is used for copying separate stack files into the file that will become the standalone. The stackfiles property of a stack is a list which allows the engine to easily locate stacks which aren't in the stackfile so that you can still refer to them by just their short name in your scripts. For example, if you have a stack named "Behaviors" in a stack file named "Behaviors.rev" in a folder named "Components" which is in the same folder as your stack file or standalone, you can set the stackfile's property of your stack to: Behaviors,Components/Behaviors.rev ...and the engine will then know exactly where to find the stack whenever your scripts refer to a stack named "Behaviors". -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 25 14:10:31 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:10:31 +0300 Subject: [OT] Plovdiv . . . / hard CASE In-Reply-To: <4BFC081D.1050203@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BFBFB1B.1090000@gmail.com> <4BFC081D.1050203@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BFC1297.50803@gmail.com> On 25/05/2010 20:25, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> Tonight I am disciplining myself to work through my CASE problem; >> where a CASE loop goes AWOL when the stack becomes a standalone. > > There's not enough info to say what's going wrong, but you'd save > yourself a lot of time if you set a breakpoint near the top of the > switch structure and step through it line by line. That would show you > whether a case instance is executing or not, which line of the script > isn't activating, what the state of the variables are, whether or not > the engine thinks a group is visible, and so forth. Without that, it's > just stabbing in the dark trying to guess what's happening. > Thanks so much; you caught me before the time I would have wasted had I not had your advice. Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 25 14:12:47 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:12:47 +0300 Subject: [OT] Plovdiv . . . / hard CASE In-Reply-To: <185-726720515.20100525103013@ahsoftware.net> References: <4BFBFB1B.1090000@gmail.com> <4BFC081D.1050203@hyperactivesw.com> <185-726720515.20100525103013@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4BFC131F.1060205@gmail.com> On 25/05/2010 20:30, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jacque- > > Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 10:25:49 AM, you wrote: > >> There's not enough info to say what's going wrong, but you'd save >> yourself a lot of time if you set a breakpoint near the top of the >> switch structure and step through it line by line. That would show you > Unless you've got some trick in mind I don't know about, that isn't > going to help Richmond in a standalone... > The problem; very simply stated is that the CASE loop works 100% in a stack; but when built into a standalone does not. So I will have to muck around with alternative ways of doing the same thing (and in RunRev . . . Thank the Lord . . . there are many, many ways) and, each time, build a standalone and see if the thing still works. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 25 14:15:03 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:15:03 +0300 Subject: [OT] Plovdiv . . . / hard CASE In-Reply-To: <4BFC0B86.4050407@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BFBFB1B.1090000@gmail.com> <4BFC081D.1050203@hyperactivesw.com> <185-726720515.20100525103013@ahsoftware.net> <4BFC0B86.4050407@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BFC13A7.3030108@gmail.com> On 25/05/2010 20:40, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Mark Wieder wrote: >> Jacque- >> >> Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 10:25:49 AM, you wrote: >> >>> There's not enough info to say what's going wrong, but you'd save >>> yourself a lot of time if you set a breakpoint near the top of the >>> switch structure and step through it line by line. That would show you >> >> Unless you've got some trick in mind I don't know about, that isn't >> going to help Richmond in a standalone... >> > > Oh. Oops. Forgot it was a standalone thing. I guess the only recourse > then is to sprinkle a bunch of answers into the code, i.e., "case 101, > got here, vis is true", etc. Or better, log all that to a text file. > > Richmond: there should be no difference between the visibility of a > group in a stack and in a standalone, so I think something else is > going on. My first impression was that running cross-platform would > mean that the keycodes aren't the same across OSs, but if you're > running the standalone on the same system you developed in, then > that's not it. > I'm testing on the Mac PPC I'm developing on. I'm off to have supper (Yup; 9.15 over here in the Wild East) and then "boogie on down"; shame, though, really, I lost track of my leopard-skin posing briefs years ago: really used to help with the coding . . . :) From bobs at twft.com Tue May 25 14:36:32 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:36:32 -0700 Subject: Remote SQL databases In-Reply-To: <114-727349750.20100525101944@ahsoftware.net> References: <40EEF974-5A54-4CA1-999D-4C594453B788@earthlink.net> <114-727349750.20100525101944@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Which is why if I pull this off, there are people who may be interested in it. Bob On May 25, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > I think the only way around this is to issue two SQL > commands, one to MySQL, one to SQLite, then take the recordsets and > mangle them yourself, pretending that you're the cross-db-type engine. > Could get ugly. From gbojsza at gmail.com Tue May 25 14:41:21 2010 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:41:21 -0700 Subject: Listing available MYSQL databases In-Reply-To: <252AC3B5-8A55-4AA1-8164-D2E364616C49@mac.com> References: <252AC3B5-8A55-4AA1-8164-D2E364616C49@mac.com> Message-ID: HI Joe, You are correct and this has help solve my problem. regards, Glen On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Joe F. wrote: > This script would make promysql evaluate to "mysqlshow - u nrl -pnrl1" > > On May 23, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Has anyone successfully used either "open process" or "get shell()" to > list > > the databases available on a machine. > > > >> From the command line I do the following and get the results I am > looking > > for: > > > > [nrl at localhost ~]$ mysqlshow -u nrl -p > > Enter password: (I enter the > > password nrl1 here) > > +--------------------+ > > | Databases | > > +--------------------+ > > | information_schema | > > | lab0624 | > > | test | > > +--------------------+ > > [nrl at localhost ~]$ > > > > My script is as follows: > > on mouseUp > > put "mysqlshow - u nrl -p" into promysql > > put "nrl1" after promysql > > get shell(promysql) > > put it > > write "quit" to process promysql > > close process promysql > > end mouseUp > > > > The resulting message is: > > > > mysqlshow: Access denied for user 'nrl'@'%' to database '-' > > > > I am currently logged in as nrl in the Fedora 11 system and running Rev > > under that user name. > > > > open process lead to the same results? > > > > thanks, > > > > Glen > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From LunchnMeets at aol.com Tue May 25 14:42:19 2010 From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:42:19 EDT Subject: Possible Bug Message-ID: <1fbc7.3af40cad.392d740b@aol.com> Hi Everyone, They say when you make something idiot proof all you get are smarter idiots. Here's the idiotic thing I did. I was trying to add a "Control-V" shortcut to a menuItem in the menu manager. Instead of using "Shift-V" to insert the "V" I used "Command-V" it added the code that was on my clipboard to the menu. Was that a fluke or did I find a bug? Joe in Orlando From bobs at twft.com Tue May 25 14:50:37 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:50:37 -0700 Subject: Possible Bug In-Reply-To: <1fbc7.3af40cad.392d740b@aol.com> References: <1fbc7.3af40cad.392d740b@aol.com> Message-ID: No bug. You pasted the contents of your clipboard into your menu. I have a great saying: Computers do not do what you want them to. They only do what you tell them to. ;-) Bob On May 25, 2010, at 11:42 AM, LunchnMeets at aol.com wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > They say when you make something idiot proof all you get are smarter > idiots. Here's the idiotic thing I did. > > I was trying to add a "Control-V" shortcut to a menuItem in the menu > manager. Instead of using "Shift-V" to insert the "V" I used "Command-V" it added > the code that was on my clipboard to the menu. > > Was that a fluke or did I find a bug? > > Joe in Orlando > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 25 14:52:45 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:52:45 +0300 Subject: [OT] Plovdiv . . . / hard CASE In-Reply-To: <4BFC0B86.4050407@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BFBFB1B.1090000@gmail.com> <4BFC081D.1050203@hyperactivesw.com> <185-726720515.20100525103013@ahsoftware.net> <4BFC0B86.4050407@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BFC1C7D.9050209@gmail.com> On 25/05/2010 20:40, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Mark Wieder wrote: >> Jacque- >> >> Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 10:25:49 AM, you wrote: >> >>> There's not enough info to say what's going wrong, but you'd save >>> yourself a lot of time if you set a breakpoint near the top of the >>> switch structure and step through it line by line. That would show you >> >> Unless you've got some trick in mind I don't know about, that isn't >> going to help Richmond in a standalone... >> > > Oh. Oops. Forgot it was a standalone thing. I guess the only recourse > then is to sprinkle a bunch of answers into the code, i.e., "case 101, > got here, vis is true", etc. Or better, log all that to a text file. > You know that sometimes (just sometimes, mind) I am a bit slow to think my way round things . . . Now in my 'Devawriter' I have the same problem with groups and their VIS being flipped; So: cracked open the stack and found (I mean, how come I am so flaming thick that after a matter of about 3 months I had forgotten how I effected that) that there is absolutely no reference to the VIS of a groups into which my faux buttons (images) are grouped; but to the VIS of an image outwith the group which has its visibility set to be the same as the group. Why? Probably stupid Richmond encountered the same problem just before Christmas . . . . . :( ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Listening to Peter Sarstedt: http://www.petersarstedt.com/ From jonathandlynch at gmail.com Tue May 25 15:03:41 2010 From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:03:41 -0400 Subject: Happy Geek Pride Day (OT) Message-ID: May 25 is Geek Pride Day, so, just in case there are any self-proclaimed geeks on the list (such as myself): Happy Geek Pride Day :) A related wired.com article: http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/05/5-reasons-to-be-proud-on-geek-pride-day/ Cheers, Jonathan -- Do all things with love From massung at gmail.com Tue May 25 15:10:36 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:10:36 -0500 Subject: Happy Geek Pride Day (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0259446/quotes Note: I'm not Greek, but this movie made me laugh. ;-) On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Jonathan Lynch wrote: > May 25 is Geek Pride Day, so, just in case there are any self-proclaimed > geeks on the list (such as myself): > > Happy Geek Pride Day :) > > From massung at gmail.com Tue May 25 15:11:05 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:11:05 -0500 Subject: Happy Geek Pride Day (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: O M G. I'm a moron... and obviously a geek. ;-) On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0259446/quotes > > Note: I'm not Greek, but this movie made me laugh. ;-) > > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Jonathan Lynch wrote: > >> May 25 is Geek Pride Day, so, just in case there are any self-proclaimed >> geeks on the list (such as myself): >> >> Happy Geek Pride Day :) >> >> From bobs at twft.com Tue May 25 15:14:35 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:14:35 -0700 Subject: Happy Geek Pride Day (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sadly, I only don my Geek Hat on the 24th of May. Bob On May 25, 2010, at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Lynch wrote: > May 25 is Geek Pride Day, so, just in case there are any self-proclaimed > geeks on the list (such as myself): > > Happy Geek Pride Day :) > > A related wired.com article: > http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/05/5-reasons-to-be-proud-on-geek-pride-day/ > > > Cheers, > > Jonathan > > -- > Do all things with love > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 25 15:25:26 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 22:25:26 +0300 Subject: Happy Geek Pride Day (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BFC2426.3080304@gmail.com> On 25/05/2010 22:03, Jonathan Lynch wrote: > May 25 is Geek Pride Day, so, just in case there are any self-proclaimed > geeks on the list (such as myself): > > Happy Geek Pride Day :) > > A related wired.com article: > http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/05/5-reasons-to-be-proud-on-geek-pride-day/ > > > Cheers, > > Jonathan > Now that's funny; in my dictionary a geek is a person who works in travelling circuses by biting the heads of live chickens: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek Not something I would want to own up to; even if I did it; which, just in case you're wondering; I don't. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue May 25 15:30:27 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:30:27 -0700 Subject: Happy Geek Pride Day (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <100-719506687.20100525123027@ahsoftware.net> Jonathan- Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 12:03:41 PM, you wrote: > May 25 is Geek Pride Day, so, just in case there are any self-proclaimed > geeks on the list (such as myself): But there's more to 25 May than that: Douglas Adams passed away on 11 May 2001, and 25 May (a fortnight after) was declared Towel Day in his honor. There's a petition about for Google to recognize Towel Day next year, the 10th anniversary of Adams' death. I'm looking forward to search results returned in Vogon: http://www.daryl.mu/2010/05/21/petition-google-to-recognise-towel-day/ -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 25 15:32:08 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 22:32:08 +0300 Subject: [OT] Plovdiv . . . / hard CASE In-Reply-To: <4BFC0B86.4050407@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BFBFB1B.1090000@gmail.com> <4BFC081D.1050203@hyperactivesw.com> <185-726720515.20100525103013@ahsoftware.net> <4BFC0B86.4050407@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BFC25B8.7040101@gmail.com> On 25/05/2010 20:40, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Mark Wieder wrote: >> Jacque- >> >> Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 10:25:49 AM, you wrote: >> >>> There's not enough info to say what's going wrong, but you'd save >>> yourself a lot of time if you set a breakpoint near the top of the >>> switch structure and step through it line by line. That would show you >> >> Unless you've got some trick in mind I don't know about, that isn't >> going to help Richmond in a standalone... >> > > Oh. Oops. Forgot it was a standalone thing. I guess the only recourse > then is to sprinkle a bunch of answers into the code, i.e., "case 101, > got here, vis is true", etc. Or better, log all that to a text file. > > Richmond: there should be no difference between the visibility of a > group in a stack and in a standalone, so I think something else is > going on. My first impression was that running cross-platform would > mean that the keycodes aren't the same across OSs, but if you're > running the standalone on the same system you developed in, then > that's not it. > I have just tried all possible combinations within the Card script; all that work in the stack. Each time; on building a standalone the script fails. So; what I shall do, is start a new stack that includes those 2 groups and the card script and see if that works; and build up my stack from that. Very, very queer indeed. From generic.email.30022 at gmail.com Tue May 25 15:32:44 2010 From: generic.email.30022 at gmail.com (Generic Email) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:32:44 -0400 Subject: Galaga 1990 Message-ID: So, I am teaching my kids programming. I started with Scratch. http://scratch.mit.edu/ Our first game was Galaga 1990. It is available to play here: http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/TheCritic1/1057645 I wanted to teach them Rev as well, so I started recreating the game in Rev. My code for both the Scratch game and my Rev code so far is here: http://drop.io/Galaga_1990 ok, my problem is that the fire coming from my main ship, in the rev game, looks like crap. I have limited it to 5 moving particles, but even so, it crawls. I am sure it is a newb mistake, but if someone could point me in the right direction, it would help. Thanks! From jerry.daniels at me.com Tue May 25 15:35:22 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:35:22 -0500 Subject: Stack in memory problem In-Reply-To: <64-958426343.20100522180828@ahsoftware.net> References: <1A191C15-A282-4FEC-A2A1-0E34220B0661@economy-x-talk.com> <4BF83E4C.7080802@comcast.net> <175-974145843.20100522134628@ahsoftware.net> <4BF84602.7050905@comcast.net> <4BF84DBE.5000608@hyperactivesw.com> <4BF85FD8.6070000@comcast.net> <42-960099406.20100522174035@ahsoftware.net> <4BF87E95.9080405@comcast.net> <64-958426343.20100522180828@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <47E6A038-E373-4C91-B760-88E95ABA57B0@me.com> If you turn around quickly while reminiscing, you can see the future! Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your 7 day free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 22, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Marty- > > Saturday, May 22, 2010, 6:02:13 PM, you wrote: > >> That's it - a Hindsight plug-in for tRev :) > > If you build it they have already come... > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue May 25 15:59:12 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:59:12 -0400 Subject: GLX Application Framework: difference between a resource and a stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51D47DF1-D8BF-469E-B360-28674F557F7E@mangomultimedia.com> On May 24, 2010, at 7:44 PM, David Bovill wrote: > Second go digging into this great open source framework: wandering > the best > way to get a stack loaded as a library on startup. So do I use a > stack, or > add it as a resource like the suggested route for datagrid the > library - > wandering what the difference is. The version I have is not teh same > as the > docs.. will have to check I have the lates... but in the mean time > does > anyone using the framework know how to best add libraries? Although your plugin UI might be slightly different the principles are the same as described here: http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/glxapp/lessons/5552-How-Do-I-Add-Stacks-to-My-Application- Standalone Resources are files that need to be included when building the app but which aren't explicitly loaded when you open the application in Rev. http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/glxapp/lessons/5558-How-Do-I-Include-Supporting-Files-Folders-When-I-Build-My-Application- -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue May 25 16:01:28 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:01:28 -0400 Subject: Remote SQL databases In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A45656F-E1D9-4837-A0AD-425D0C1A8715@mangomultimedia.com> On May 21, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I'm wondering if the Relational aspect of Trevor's sqlYoga would be > able to do this, but again, I think I have to be working with two > tables in the same database for that to work. Trevor? That is correct. SQL Yoga will only work with relationships between tables in the same database. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue May 25 16:14:15 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:14:15 -0400 Subject: [Data Grid] set the dimmed hilite color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <263DB44E-AA5A-46A3-95AF-CA2CE006100C@mangomultimedia.com> On May 14, 2010, at 1:48 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: > It seems that there is no way to set the "(effective) dimmed hilite > color" property of a Data Grid. > I checked the setProp handler of the Data Grid library and found > nothing to set this property. Plus the getProp of this property seems > to return always the kDefaultDimmedHiliteColor constant. Hmm, 'dimmed hilite color' is indeed missing from the setProp handler. I just updated the library. If you want to add it to the dgProps setProp put it below "hilite color" case "hilite color" case "dimmed hilite color" if pValue is a color or pValue is empty then lock messages set the dgProps[pProp] of me to _ColorToRGB(pValue) unlock messages ... -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 25 16:15:55 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 23:15:55 +0300 Subject: Hard CASE: not what it seems. In-Reply-To: <4BFC0B86.4050407@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BFBFB1B.1090000@gmail.com> <4BFC081D.1050203@hyperactivesw.com> <185-726720515.20100525103013@ahsoftware.net> <4BFC0B86.4050407@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BFC2FFB.6080707@gmail.com> Oh, Blast: I got the wrong end of the stick completely . . . There was nothing wrong with my CASE script at all !!!!! The problem seems to be that standalones have a problem with the second part of a script that runs like this: on mouseUp set the useUnicode to true if fld "fBUILT" is empty then set the unicodeText of fld "fRESULT" to the unicodeText of fld "fRESULT" & numToChar(2311) else do fld "fMAHA" if fld "fPROC" is empty then --do nix-- else set the unicodeText of fld "fRESULT" to the unicodeText of fld "fRESULT" & numToChar(2367) set the unicodeText of fld "fRESULT" to the unicodeText of fld "fRESULT" & the unicodeText of fld "fPROC" put empty into fld "fPROC" end if end if do fld "fARSE" put empty into fld "fBUILD" put empty into fld "fBUILT" select after fld "fRESULT" end mouseUp i.e. from the first ELSE onwards. ------------------------------- fld "fARSE" (it concerns 'r') contains the following script: if fld "fRRR" is empty then --do nix-- else set the unicodeText of fld "fRESULT" to the unicodeText of fld "fRESULT" & numToChar(58107) put empty into fld "fRRR" end if [i.e. post-positions Devanagari 'r' in a conjunct consonant] ------------------------------- Why do I get a tingly feeling (err . . . probably called wishful thinking) that RunRev 4 is not going to allow execution of a script in a fld in a standalone?????? ------------------------------- What I still don't understand (and this is the sticking point) is why this all works in the stack but not in the standalone . . . So, only marginally wiser . . . :) From katir at hindu.org Tue May 25 16:20:03 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 10:20:03 -1000 Subject: How to deal with unplug from the LAN Message-ID: <4BFC30F3.3060709@hindu.org> I'm working on an app that requires a remote volume to be mounted (Mac OS X 10.6) I use several basic connectivity tests like put hostAddressToName ("11.11.11.11:") into the server # If I get DNS from the XServe box I know the user is at least plugged in or has his Airport connection uup and running.. # next, get a ping file which is a little file containing the word "true" command CheckForServerIs Mounted put url "file:/volumes/XServer/Sites/public_html/ping.txt" into tPingTest if tPingTest is "True" then set the enabled of button "connected" to true (small animated gif that show a live connection" put "true" into gConnectedToLanServer # a global for later testing. else answer "Sorry, the server is not mounted.. shall I mount it for you?" with "No" or "Yes" # run afp apple script here to mount the remote volume. end if end CheckForServerIsMounted OK the above works fine if the user is a "Tidy Boy" and is careful to dismount the volume, but if he just up and pulls the ethernet cable out with the remote volume mounted and runs off to the dentist with his lap top... if he has my app open and tries anything, it goes into a 3 minute wait...( this is actually a long standing nuisance with Apple's API to the network framework... and can happen with pretty much any other app and not just RunRev) *finally* after 3 minutes, the system seems to realize he's cut off, gives up, and gives the CPU back to RunRev...my dialog pop's up to offer the user the option to mount. But because he's unplugged, his is informed he is off line and he's gracefully left to work off line... So, this all works well, but the part where I am unable to test for if the user just pulled out his ethernet cable with the volume still mounted, without this long hang up... Any ideas? Sivakatirswami From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue May 25 16:22:16 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:22:16 -0400 Subject: [Data Grid] get the header text color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C0A64B6-6CD0-433F-A97B-677B624B7510@mangomultimedia.com> On May 14, 2010, at 7:05 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: > 2010/5/14 zryip theSlug : > > It seems same for the "Text color" property. I've fixed getProps for "text color", "effective text color", "header text color" and "effective header text color". Entries in the getProp dgProps handler are as follows: case "effective text color" return the effective textColor of group "dgList" of me break case "text color" return the textColor of group "dgList" of me break case "header text color" return the textColor of group "dgHeader" of me break case "effective header text color" return the effective textColor of group "dgHeader" of me break -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From davidocoker at gmail.com Tue May 25 16:22:54 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:22:54 -0500 Subject: Happy Geek Pride Day (OT) In-Reply-To: <4BFC2426.3080304@gmail.com> References: <4BFC2426.3080304@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Now that's funny; in my dictionary a geek is a person > who works in travelling circuses by biting the heads of live chickens: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek > >From the wikipedia link: "Formerly, the term referred to a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken, bat, snake or bugs." Sounds much more like a '70's era rock band. ;-) -David C. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue May 25 16:29:49 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 23:29:49 +0300 Subject: Happy Geek Pride Day (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BFC2426.3080304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BFC333D.2040003@gmail.com> On 25/05/2010 23:22, David C. wrote: >> Now that's funny; in my dictionary a geek is a person >> who works in travelling circuses by biting the heads of live chickens: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek >> > > From the wikipedia link: > "Formerly, the term referred to a carnival performer often billed as a > wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live > chicken, bat, snake or bugs." > > Sounds much more like a '70's era rock band. ;-) > I think Ozzy Osbourne used to go in for that sort of thing when I was a spotty teenager (i.e. mid '70's); Hey; do you remember when Alice Cooper faked his own guillotining in Paris? Ooooh; tooo late at night; reaching for my juju beads for a spot of psychedelic meditation . . . . Peter Sarstedt is singing "where's my semi-precious plastic Easter egg?" Right on! I dunno; right here there is a wild RunRev programmer who is going spare over some of his own funny code (see earlier posting); I think I'll just pop to the fridge and bite the head off a live . . . . . carrot . . . :) From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue May 25 16:37:09 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:37:09 -0400 Subject: [data grid] can't hide one of the scrollbar In-Reply-To: <1A0CA915-180C-4FC7-8EFB-A997E77ABAEB@inria.fr> References: <1A0CA915-180C-4FC7-8EFB-A997E77ABAEB@inria.fr> Message-ID: On May 13, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > ----------------- > on mouseUp > local DGRef, > ------- > copy group "DataGrid" of group "Templates" of stack > "revDataGridLibrary" to this card > put it into DGRef > set the dgProp["show hScrollBar"] of DGRef to "false" > set the dgProp["show vScrollBar"] of DGRef to "false" > end mouseUp > ----------------- > then, the V scroll bar remains visible > > If I invert the order of the 2 last lines then it is the H scroll > bar which remains visible > > In other words, the last line is not executed > > What am I doing wrong? Nothing. There was an unbalanced "lock messages" call in one of the handlers that repositioned columns. I've fixed this for the next release. If you want to fix it in your own copy of the library find the ned of the handler _table.RepositionColumns and add 'set the lockmessages to msgsAreLocked' above the unlock screen call. ======= ... set the lockmessages to msgsAreLocked unlock screen end _table.RepositionColumns ======== -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk Tue May 25 16:37:39 2010 From: dougtechie at tiscali.co.uk (Douglas) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 21:37:39 +0100 Subject: How to "Dial" Using Rev ? In-Reply-To: <4BF8B39C.3040300@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BF7FEE7.2090505@sbcglobal.net> <4BF8B39C.3040300@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BFC3513.2070804@tiscali.co.uk> Hi Jaque, Surely Gary must have a phone line and relatively old iMac with built-in modem, or at least a modem, or he wouldn't be wanting to use what he assumes to be a dial-up routine to an external device? It's over 15 years since I did anything with at AT codes, but I can remember the pain of having to look them up every time I went to a service call where I didn't know the hardware. AT is the required prefix to initiate any command. The AT does not have to be repeated for each command and one string can contain many commands. S7 is the number of seconds to wait for carrier signal when the other end answers Ln is the Loudness of the modem speaker (usually 0-3) DT is Dial using Tone So in this case, the command is "ATS7=1L0DT" followed by the number and a Carriage Return meaning : Wait 1 second for carrier when the other end answers. (ie it must start quickly after picking up.) Set speaker level to lowest. Dial the number using Tones. So, if you are reading this Gary:- Please tell us what you are actually wanting to do and if you have a built-in or USB modem. ie. Why do you want to use this routine, when you don't really know what it is? Douglas On 23/05/2010 05:48, J. Landman Gay wrote: > gary_aitcheson wrote: >> put "*67" before theNumber >> open file "com3:" for write >> write "ATS7=1L0DT" & theNumber & cr to file "com3:" >> wait 5 secs >> close file "com3:" >> >> I do not understand much of this, but it appears that it's usual >> function is to dial a fax machine in order to transmit letters etc. > I'm not sure what it's dialing, but what the script does is this, line > by line: > > prefix the phone number with "*67" > open a connection to the "com3" port on the PC, which is a serial port > where presumably a modem is attached > send the phone number digits and an end-of-line carriage return > through the serial port to the modem > wait a bit for the modem to get the data and start dialing > close the connection to the port >> >> My problem is that I want to use this dialing program on my iMac >> running OS X but unfortunately it does not function there. I imagine >> the dialing code is similar, but figuring it out is beyond my >> expertise. Does anyone have any suggestions at to what to do, where >> to look, who to ask, etc ? > > The equivalent on a Mac would be identical, except instead of "com3" > you'd want to use "modem" as the port specifier. Both the PC "com3" > port and the Mac "modem" port are serial ports. Rev can write to those > just fine, but the problem you will find on your iMac is that it won't > have any serial ports; Macs haven't supported those for some years, > nor do they ship any longer with internal modems. You can buy USB > modems, but unfortunately Rev can't read or write to USB ports. > > So if you have an older Mac that has a real serial modem port, you can > dial with the above script by substituting "modem" for the port. But > on your iMac, no go. > From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue May 25 17:16:01 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:16:01 -0700 Subject: Hard CASE: not what it seems. In-Reply-To: <4BFC2FFB.6080707@gmail.com> References: <4BFBFB1B.1090000@gmail.com> <4BFC081D.1050203@hyperactivesw.com> <185-726720515.20100525103013@ahsoftware.net> <4BFC0B86.4050407@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFC2FFB.6080707@gmail.com> Message-ID: Maybe because standalones have an (editable) script limit of 10 lines, meaning you can't build scripts dynamically in standalones that exceed 10 lines. There is no such limit in the IDE. Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On May 25, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Why do I get a tingly feeling (err . . . probably called wishful thinking) that RunRev 4 is not > going to allow execution of a script in a fld in a standalone?????? > > ------------------------------- > > What I still don't understand (and this is the sticking point) is why this all works in the > stack but not in the standalone . . . From bobs at twft.com Tue May 25 17:45:35 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:45:35 -0700 Subject: Reverse Intersect Message-ID: <18405D3A-F8EB-44B5-B3AA-D1BB86BEEA7D@twft.com> Hi all. I know the Intersect command removes keys in array-1 that don't exist in array-2. What I need however is a command that removes keys in array-1 that DO exist in array-2, so that array-1 contains all the keys I need to add. Why you ask? Why not just use the Union command? Because I need to find all the records in table-a that need to be added to table b. And since I am paging through table a a limited number of records at a time, (to prevent Rev memory overflow for large tables) I cannot simply use an SQL query join, and as I said in a prior post the tables are in disconnected databases. So what I am doing is getting 100 records from table-a as a string, massaging it a bit to form a comma delimited list, then using the SQL IN operator to get what records there are in table-b that are already in table-a. At that point I need to eliminate the table-b keys from the table-a keys, and what I will have left are the keys that need to be inserted into table-b. Simple. See? ;-) So is there any way to do this without a repeat loop? I can always do a repeat loop, but they weary me. ;-) Bob From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue May 25 18:08:33 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:08:33 -0700 Subject: Reverse Intersect In-Reply-To: <18405D3A-F8EB-44B5-B3AA-D1BB86BEEA7D@twft.com> References: <18405D3A-F8EB-44B5-B3AA-D1BB86BEEA7D@twft.com> Message-ID: if you want to remove duplicate keys - put the imported data immediately into an array. Duplicates are automatically eliminated. On 25 May 2010 14:45, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Hi all. > > I know the Intersect command removes keys in array-1 that don't exist in > array-2. What I need however is a command that removes keys in array-1 that > DO exist in array-2, so that array-1 contains all the keys I need to add. > Why you ask? Why not just use the Union command? Because I need to find all > the records in table-a that need to be added to table b. And since I am > paging through table a a limited number of records at a time, (to prevent > Rev memory overflow for large tables) I cannot simply use an SQL query join, > and as I said in a prior post the tables are in disconnected databases. > > So what I am doing is getting 100 records from table-a as a string, > massaging it a bit to form a comma delimited list, then using the SQL IN > operator to get what records there are in table-b that are already in > table-a. At that point I need to eliminate the table-b keys from the table-a > keys, and what I will have left are the keys that need to be inserted into > table-b. Simple. See? ;-) > > So is there any way to do this without a repeat loop? I can always do a > repeat loop, but they weary me. ;-) > > Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue May 25 18:18:28 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:18:28 -0700 Subject: Reverse Intersect In-Reply-To: References: <18405D3A-F8EB-44B5-B3AA-D1BB86BEEA7D@twft.com> Message-ID: <24-709425656.20100525151828@ahsoftware.net> stephen- Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 3:08:33 PM, you wrote: > if you want to remove duplicate keys - put the imported data immediately > into an array. Duplicates are automatically eliminated. I was going to suggest something similar, but then thought this seems like a long way to go around for the desired result. Why not take the recordsets from the two database queries and use them on the fly to populate tables in a new database? Then you can run your sql matching statement on the new tables and delete the temporary database when you're done. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From bobs at twft.com Tue May 25 18:21:53 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:21:53 -0700 Subject: Reverse Intersect In-Reply-To: References: <18405D3A-F8EB-44B5-B3AA-D1BB86BEEA7D@twft.com> Message-ID: <24AE20DC-E315-4FA4-B15F-3BF1D2A05759@twft.com> Thanks for the reply Stephen. What I want to end up with is an array of ONLY the keys that exist in the first array that do NOT exist in the second. Otherwise I simply end up with identical arrays that both contain all the keys from the first and the second arrays. I should mention that it is the nature of the data that the second array is some subset of the first, and the goal is to find the records in the first array that are not in the second. Bob On May 25, 2010, at 3:08 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > if you want to remove duplicate keys - put the imported data immediately > into an array. Duplicates are automatically eliminated. From rabit at dimensionB.de Tue May 25 18:29:03 2010 From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 00:29:03 +0200 Subject: [ANN] revIgniter v1.3.2b has been released Message-ID: <2E9B52C1-3C29-4E6D-A343-AB86782BCD52@dimensionB.de> revIgniter now follows a simple, easy to memorize, naming convention to reduce potential name conflicts to a minimum. While maintaining the deprecated set of handler names it will be phased out in a later version, so all users are asked to replace those names over time. Please read about Reserved Names in the User Guide. Furthermore this version includes bug fixes. Of course, there are new revIgniter / irev TextMate bundles respecting the new naming convention. Info and download at: http://revigniter.com/ Ralf From bobs at twft.com Tue May 25 18:46:03 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:46:03 -0700 Subject: Reverse Intersect In-Reply-To: <24-709425656.20100525151828@ahsoftware.net> References: <18405D3A-F8EB-44B5-B3AA-D1BB86BEEA7D@twft.com> <24-709425656.20100525151828@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <9CDDE28E-3464-4AF1-9E66-595A972B5791@twft.com> Hi Mark. Thanks for the interest. My apologies to everyone for the length of this post. First, remember that I am working with paged data. The reason is this: Let's say the source database has a million records. Since I cannot use a join due to the fact they are dissimilar databases that are not connected in any way, I am going to have to query both databases seperately, yes? If I query the destination database for all it's keys I want to use to find records in the source database, on the first pass with an empty destination database I am going to return every single record! Huge dataset, Revolution crashes! But let's say I get away with it and Revolution does not crash (yet). Now I have to issue an SQL statement to the destination database something like SELECT sw_id FROM devices WHERE IN (insert huge million item comma delimited string here). If I don't kill the SQL server, I will probably kill Revolution this time with yet another 1 million record data set! You may say I could use WHERE NOT IN (insert huge million item comma delimited string here), but it doesn't solve my huge dataset and query problem. If I am paging through the data, then I will get every record not in the page, even if they exist in both databases. The solution? Page through the source database a reasonable number of records at a time, say 100 or 1000 or 10,000 depending on what the limits of Revolution and SQL are. Now my second query will return a dataset with matching records, excluding the records that haven't been added yet. At this point I have a dataset with all the records in my page, and another dataset with all the records in my destination database with matching keys, a subset of my paged data. Now I need to find out what those keys are that are in my page dataset that are not in my destination dataset. Hence my need for a reverse intersect command. My strategy of working with one record at a time proved to be cumbersome, especially with a remote SQL server where internet lag plays a part. Whether I use a temporary table or memory variables to work with the data seems irrelevant, except that the SQL database is remote, remember? Lag issues. The less individual queries I make, the better the performance will be. Bob On May 25, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > stephen- > > Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 3:08:33 PM, you wrote: > >> if you want to remove duplicate keys - put the imported data immediately >> into an array. Duplicates are automatically eliminated. > > I was going to suggest something similar, but then thought this seems > like a long way to go around for the desired result. Why not take the > recordsets from the two database queries and use them on the fly to > populate tables in a new database? Then you can run your sql matching > statement on the new tables and delete the temporary database when > you're done. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Tue May 25 18:53:42 2010 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:53:42 -0700 Subject: Reverse Intersect In-Reply-To: <18405D3A-F8EB-44B5-B3AA-D1BB86BEEA7D@twft.com> References: <18405D3A-F8EB-44B5-B3AA-D1BB86BEEA7D@twft.com> Message-ID: <555CBB3F-9BE2-4D0E-8951-BC3FD8BA3EC6@yahoo.com> In the time it took to write the original email you could have put the keys of array1 into keysOne combine array2 using cr and tab set the itemDel to tab repeat for each line LNN in array2 if item 1 of LNN is not among the lines of keysOne then put LNN & cr after newArray2 end repeat filter newArray2 without empty split newArray2 using cr and tab ------------------ and of course ----- put getResidualArray(array2, array1) into array2 function getResidualArray array2, array1 << code >> return newArray2 end getResidualKeys Hope this helps J On May 25, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > I know the Intersect command removes keys in array-1 that don't > exist in array-2. What I need however is a command that removes keys > in array-1 that DO exist in array-2, so that array-1 contains all > the keys I need to add. Why you ask? Why not just use the Union > command? Because I need to find all the records in table-a that need > to be added to table b. And since I am paging through table a a > limited number of records at a time, (to prevent Rev memory overflow > for large tables) I cannot simply use an SQL query join, and as I > said in a prior post the tables are in disconnected databases. > > So what I am doing is getting 100 records from table-a as a string, > massaging it a bit to form a comma delimited list, then using the > SQL IN operator to get what records there are in table-b that are > already in table-a. At that point I need to eliminate the table-b > keys from the table-a keys, and what I will have left are the keys > that need to be inserted into table-b. Simple. See? ;-) > > So is there any way to do this without a repeat loop? I can always > do a repeat loop, but they weary me. ;-) > > Bob > Jim Ault Las Vegas From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Tue May 25 19:26:38 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 00:26:38 +0100 Subject: GLX Application Framework: difference between a resource and a stack In-Reply-To: <51D47DF1-D8BF-469E-B360-28674F557F7E@mangomultimedia.com> References: <51D47DF1-D8BF-469E-B360-28674F557F7E@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: On 25 May 2010 20:59, Trevor DeVore wrote: > Standalone Resources are files that need to be included when building the > app but which aren't explicitly loaded when you open the application in Rev. > > > http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/glxapp/lessons/5558-How-Do-I-Include-Supporting-Files-Folders-When-I-Build-My-Application- > So why do you add the Datagrid library as a Resource in the other tutorial? NB - how do I check that I have the latest version? From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Tue May 25 19:27:52 2010 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 00:27:52 +0100 Subject: [ANN] revIgniter v1.3.2b has been released In-Reply-To: <2E9B52C1-3C29-4E6D-A343-AB86782BCD52@dimensionB.de> References: <2E9B52C1-3C29-4E6D-A343-AB86782BCD52@dimensionB.de> Message-ID: Thanks for that :) On 25 May 2010 23:29, Ralf Bitter wrote: > > revIgniter now follows a simple, easy to memorize, > naming convention to reduce potential name conflicts > to a minimum. > While maintaining the deprecated set of handler names > it will be phased out in a later version, so all users > are asked to replace those names over time. > Please read about Reserved Names in the User Guide. > Furthermore this version includes bug fixes. > > Of course, there are new revIgniter / irev TextMate bundles > respecting the new naming convention. > > Info and download at: http://revigniter.com/ > > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From pete at mollysrevenge.com Tue May 25 19:28:04 2010 From: pete at mollysrevenge.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:28:04 -0700 Subject: Implementing a library of behavior buttons across multiple applications In-Reply-To: <20100525201558.BC5302883B3@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100525201558.BC5302883B3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <882DCB8C-5E60-4D72-80A6-4F81AC1EEF39@mollysrevenge.com> Thanks Richard. So the SB pulls in ALL the stack files defined to it int the application and I don;t have to send any of them out with the app, right? Pete Haworth -------------- next part -------------- http://www.mollysrevenge.com http://www.sonicbids.com/MollysRevenge http://www.myspace.com/mollysrevengeband On May 25, 2010, at 1:15 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Two different things: > > The "Stacks" pane in the SB is used for copying separate stack files > into the file that will become the standalone. > > The stackfiles property of a stack is a list which allows the engine > to > easily locate stacks which aren't in the stackfile so that you can > still > refer to them by just their short name in your scripts. > > For example, if you have a stack named "Behaviors" in a stack file > named > "Behaviors.rev" in a folder named "Components" which is in the same > folder as your stack file or standalone, you can set the stackfile's > property of your stack to: > > Behaviors,Components/Behaviors.rev > > ...and the engine will then know exactly where to find the stack > whenever your scripts refer to a stack named "Behaviors". From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Tue May 25 20:38:39 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:38:39 +1000 Subject: Datagrid border colour setting? In-Reply-To: <6C0A64B6-6CD0-433F-A97B-677B624B7510@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: Does anyone know if there is a setting to change the border colour (both the header and the 'body') of a datagrid? Trevor? Terry... From herz at ucsd.edu Tue May 25 23:30:06 2010 From: herz at ucsd.edu (Richard K. Herz) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:30:06 -0700 Subject: revWeb - revlet - examples please Message-ID: <4BFC95BE.7090602@ucsd.edu> A few days ago I asked for links to web pages with revlets - here is my list so far: # Link 4 Game by John Dixon # Guess game by Jacqueline Landman Gay # Chance lab and physics impulse lab by George Brackett # Color puzzle by Bernd Niggemann # K12 educational example by Judy Perry # Language and History educational revlets by L. Kirk Hagen # RGB Music RENGA by Kenji Kojima # University staff database by Rolf Kocherhans, - click "allow once" to allow network communication to database, then revlet opens as iPhone emulator, click on slider button (don't drag), type rolf without return, etc. # Developer's examples by Sarah Reichelt # Chemical reactors by Rich Herz Thanks to everyone who sent their own links, or recommendations. One thing I learned is that my graphics aren't up to par - the others are beautiful! The speed at which graphics are updated in a revlet, as displayed in a browser, is slower than in a desktop app, not surprisingly. But that is the only limitation I have encountered so far in converting stacks to revlets, and that may only affect a relatively large number of objects updating rapidly. I hope that the number of web pages with revlets grows fast. Revlets seem to have a lot of potential. Rich Herz From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue May 25 23:34:25 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:34:25 -0700 Subject: Galaga 1990 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi "Generic": I took a look at your stack and you've done everything right from a conceptual standpoint. All your code makes sense. The problem you're running into is Rev's "real world" behavior and performance -- Rev is not multi-threaded and is not suited to managing lots of sub-second messages simultaneously. The practical way to do what you want is to use a single master repeat loop that handles all animation, movement, key tracking etc. This may seem counterintuitive to what you're trying to teach, but it's really the only way to get any smooth performance out of Rev that's suitable for a game. I modified your stack as an example of one way to enhance performance. Execute the following in your Rev message box: go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/Galaga_1990_mod.rev" All the code is at the stack level. Shots are limited to one at a time on screen, which of course you can change. Given what you've built so far, I think you'll be able to easily grasp what's going and modify as needed. Good luck. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, Generic Email wrote: > So, I am teaching my kids programming. I started with Scratch. > http://scratch.mit.edu/ > > Our first game was Galaga 1990. > It is available to play here: > http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/TheCritic1/1057645 > > I wanted to teach them Rev as well, so I started recreating the game in Rev. > > My code for both the Scratch game and my Rev code so far is here: > http://drop.io/Galaga_1990 > > ok, my problem is that the fire coming from my main ship, in the rev game, > looks like crap. > I have limited it to 5 moving particles, but even so, it crawls. > > I am sure it is a newb mistake, but if someone could point me in the right > direction, it would help. > > Thanks!_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bobcole at earthlink.net Tue May 25 23:42:35 2010 From: bobcole at earthlink.net (Bob Cole) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 22:42:35 -0500 Subject: Listing available MYSQL databases Message-ID: <024EC6E8-3E68-41A1-BB93-FB3EBC357F76@earthlink.net> If you put "SHOW DATABASES;" in a text file on the target machine then you can execute the following statements (watch for line breaks): put "/usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql -u username -ppassword < '/usr/local/ShowDatabases.txt'" into myCommand put shell(myCommand) into message box That works for me on my Mac with OS X 10.6.3 Bob Tue, 25 May 2010 11:41:21 -0700, Glen Bojsza wrote: HI Joe, You are correct and this has help solve my problem. regards, Glen On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Joe F. wrote: > This script would make promysql evaluate to "mysqlshow - u nrl -pnrl1" > On May 23, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote: > >> Hello, >> Has anyone successfully used either "open process" or "get shell()" to list >> the databases available on a machine. [...snip...] From jeff at siphonophore.com Wed May 26 01:58:16 2010 From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 01:58:16 -0400 Subject: Happy Geek Pride Day (OT) In-Reply-To: <20100525201558.BC5302883B3@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100525201558.BC5302883B3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: jeff, now that made me really laugh!!! another jeff On May 25, 2010, at 4:15 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > > O M G. > > I'm a moron... and obviously a geek. ;-) From jeff at siphonophore.com Wed May 26 02:07:31 2010 From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 02:07:31 -0400 Subject: Happy Geek Pride Day (OT) In-Reply-To: <20100525201558.BC5302883B3@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100525201558.BC5302883B3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <5C6EE61A-3E5C-487B-A7A9-DAFA2E383697@siphonophore.com> Mark, my bag always has my bright orange towel (bought while traveling in japan in 1984 and still in use) that i keep there in honor of douglas adams, to wipe the sweat off my face, goo off the computer and keep the universe in balance while im traveling... 42 my man, 42... cheers jeff On May 25, 2010, at 4:15 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > But there's more to 25 May than that: Douglas Adams passed away on 11 > May 2001, and 25 May (a fortnight after) was declared Towel Day in his > honor. There's a petition about for Google to recognize Towel Day next > year, the 10th anniversary of Adams' death. I'm looking forward to > search results returned in Vogon: > > http://www.daryl.mu/2010/05/21/petition-google-to-recognise-towel-day/ From chipp at chipp.com Wed May 26 02:25:12 2010 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 01:25:12 -0500 Subject: altAccordion problem In-Reply-To: <0B7CA0BF-4DC3-44CE-8899-0E8C2DE9CD20@mac.com> References: <1274567573052-2227508.post@n4.nabble.com> <0B7CA0BF-4DC3-44CE-8899-0E8C2DE9CD20@mac.com> Message-ID: You did get my message? On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 7:57 PM, charles61 wrote: > > Steve, > > I did contact Chipp and sent him a screenshot of my menu but I have not > heard anything from him. > > Charles Szasz > cszasz at mac.com > > > > > From rman at free.fr Wed May 26 02:45:52 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 23:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: revWeb - revlet - examples please In-Reply-To: <4BFC95BE.7090602@ucsd.edu> References: <4BF860C0.9000806@ucsd.edu> <4BFC95BE.7090602@ucsd.edu> Message-ID: <1274856352761-2231111.post@n4.nabble.com> nice initiative! I really wonder how large is revTalk community... Anyway good opportunity to be able to test what actually work and what does not. 1) audio on revlet seems to be problematic : # RGB Music RENGA by Kenji Kojima : no sound (macBook mac os x 10.5 / on safari and firefox) -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/revWeb-revlet-examples-please-tp2227516p2231111.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rman at free.fr Wed May 26 02:58:36 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 23:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RevBrowserPrint In-Reply-To: <1274784772588-2229797.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <5BD27B8A-0DBB-4B2B-8AE2-EA84BBC13175@LinkIt.Com> <2F373660-BFA4-4626-97FE-BF4A00310A77@yahoo.com> <4BFF2482-25B3-47C7-8011-58A50A6DEAE6@lacscentre.co.uk> <55B9266F-D277-4C56-BE68-B0536C55DBFE@twft.com> <8002E814-0F7E-404E-9445-02C5BD2C6431@LinkIt.Com> <25ECD733-B4D2-433B-BA6D-458A667B2BE6@LinkIt.Com> <1274784772588-2229797.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1274857116653-2231124.post@n4.nabble.com> Before I post a proposal to the quality center : Would a command revBrowserPrintToPdf browserId, fileName (returning a result if possible) be useful to many of us? Problem though : on mac os, pdf is within the system so it makes sens. On the other hand it seems that pdf was not included in windows, and is still not shipping with windows 7. So that is a problem for multi os development. Is there an easy way around that? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RevBrowserPrint-tp1564242p2231124.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Wed May 26 03:03:11 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 02:03:11 -0500 Subject: Galaga 1990 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You definitely don't want to do this by positioning everything every time you update. Instead, the move command is your special friend here. For the enemy, you can plot out a randomized course from the top to the bottom, and then tell it to follow that path in a set amount of time. The bullets are even easier since they just have to go from bottom to top. I did a quick hack job, cutting the code about in half and speeding it up significantly. It now handles three enemies and 11 bullets without breaking a sweat on my macbook. Here's the stack: http://snurl.com/wsclc and here's the article I posted with some comments: http://gcanyon.posterous.com/a-blast-from-my-programming-past From rman at free.fr Wed May 26 03:07:44 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 00:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: revWeb - revlet - examples please In-Reply-To: <1274856352761-2231111.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4BF860C0.9000806@ucsd.edu> <4BFC95BE.7090602@ucsd.edu> <1274856352761-2231111.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1274857664591-2231132.post@n4.nabble.com> Two sites of french revlets in the education field : http://pagesperso-orange.fr/dep23/revolution/revolution/Bienvenue.html http://ludovic.thebault.free.fr/accueilonline.php?rub=jerange -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/revWeb-revlet-examples-please-tp2227516p2231132.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Wed May 26 04:08:01 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:08:01 +0200 Subject: Datagrid border colour setting? In-Reply-To: References: <6C0A64B6-6CD0-433F-A97B-677B624B7510@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: 2010/5/26 Terry Judd > Does anyone know if there is a setting to change the border colour (both > the > header and the 'body') of a datagrid? Trevor? > > Terry... > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > Hi Terry, A Data Grid is a group, so you can change its color like other group. Example: set the borderColor of grp "myDataGrid" to red Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 26 04:16:28 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:16:28 +0200 Subject: revWeb - revlet - examples please In-Reply-To: <4BFC95BE.7090602@ucsd.edu> References: <4BFC95BE.7090602@ucsd.edu> Message-ID: Thank you Rich ! Le 26 mai 2010 ? 05:30, Richard K. Herz a ?crit : > A few days ago I asked for links to web pages with revlets - here is my list so far: > > # Link 4 Game by John Dixon > # Guess game by Jacqueline Landman Gay > # Chance lab and physics impulse lab by George Brackett > # Color puzzle by Bernd Niggemann > # K12 educational example by Judy Perry > # Language and History educational revlets by L. Kirk Hagen > # RGB Music RENGA by Kenji Kojima > # University staff database by Rolf Kocherhans, - click "allow once" to allow network communication to database, then revlet opens as iPhone emulator, click on slider button (don't drag), type rolf without return, etc. > # Developer's examples by Sarah Reichelt > # Chemical reactors by Rich Herz > > Thanks to everyone who sent their own links, or recommendations. One thing I learned is that my graphics aren't up to par - the others are beautiful! > > The speed at which graphics are updated in a revlet, as displayed in a browser, is slower than in a desktop app, not surprisingly. But that is the only limitation I have encountered so far in converting stacks to revlets, and that may only affect a relatively large number of objects updating rapidly. > > I hope that the number of web pages with revlets grows fast. Revlets seem to have a lot of potential. > > Rich Herz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 26 04:18:53 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:18:53 +0200 Subject: revWeb - revlet - examples please In-Reply-To: <1274856352761-2231111.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4BF860C0.9000806@ucsd.edu> <4BFC95BE.7090602@ucsd.edu> <1274856352761-2231111.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <10CCEB25-ACA6-49D3-932E-81B75D7AC07F@numericable.com> All work well on iMac Mac OS X 10.6.3 Safari Le 26 mai 2010 ? 08:45, Robert Mann a ?crit : > > nice initiative! I really wonder how large is revTalk community... Anyway > good opportunity to be able to test what actually work and what does not. > > 1) audio on revlet seems to be problematic : > # RGB Music RENGA by Kenji > Kojima : no sound (macBook mac os x 10.5 / on safari and firefox) > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/revWeb-revlet-examples-please-tp2227516p2231111.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 26 04:57:46 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:57:46 +0200 Subject: RunRev on iPad (New) Message-ID: <93436164-5FBE-48D7-B27A-46C9B006308E@numericable.com> I think I find how use my RunRev applications on my iPad (only in my home... but for me it is wonderfull...) I have not yet my iPad but in few days... I try it... http://avatron.com/apps/air-display/ Bons souvenirs de Paris Ren? From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Wed May 26 05:32:49 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 19:32:49 +1000 Subject: Datagrid border colour setting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26/05/10 6:08 PM, "zryip theSlug" wrote: > 2010/5/26 Terry Judd > >> Does anyone know if there is a setting to change the border colour (both >> the >> header and the 'body') of a datagrid? Trevor? > > Hi Terry, > > A Data Grid is a group, so you can change its color like other group. > > Example: > set the borderColor of grp "myDataGrid" to red > Hey thanks - that's a good start but doesn't pickup the bottom border of the header. Terry... From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Wed May 26 05:36:30 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:36:30 +0200 Subject: [data grid] can't hide one of the scrollbar In-Reply-To: References: <1A0CA915-180C-4FC7-8EFB-A997E77ABAEB@inria.fr> Message-ID: <24E53C4D-5D53-4E83-ADED-3A0F5BEE0C87@inria.fr> Le 25 mai 10 ? 22:37, Trevor DeVore a ?crit : > On May 13, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > >> ----------------- >> on mouseUp >> local DGRef, >> ------- >> copy group "DataGrid" of group "Templates" of stack >> "revDataGridLibrary" to this card >> put it into DGRef >> set the dgProp["show hScrollBar"] of DGRef to "false" >> set the dgProp["show vScrollBar"] of DGRef to "false" >> end mouseUp >> ----------------- >> then, the V scroll bar remains visible >> >> If I invert the order of the 2 last lines then it is the H scroll >> bar which remains visible >> >> In other words, the last line is not executed >> >> What am I doing wrong? > > Nothing. There was an unbalanced "lock messages" call in one of the > handlers that repositioned columns. I've fixed this for the next > release. If you want to fix it in your own copy of the library find > the ned of the handler _table.RepositionColumns and add 'set the > lockmessages to msgsAreLocked' above the unlock screen call. > > ======= > ... > > set the lockmessages to msgsAreLocked > unlock screen > end _table.RepositionColumns > ======== > Bonjour Trevor, Thank you very much for that (also for your other answers for "text color" and "dimmed hilite color" Your additions to the library are much appreciated ;-) Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Wed May 26 06:18:04 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:18:04 +0200 Subject: Datagrid border colour setting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/5/26 Terry Judd > On 26/05/10 6:08 PM, "zryip theSlug" wrote: > > > 2010/5/26 Terry Judd > > > >> Does anyone know if there is a setting to change the border colour (both > >> the > >> header and the 'body') of a datagrid? Trevor? > > > > Hi Terry, > > > > A Data Grid is a group, so you can change its color like other group. > > > > Example: > > set the borderColor of grp "myDataGrid" to red > > > Hey thanks - that's a good start but doesn't pickup the bottom border of > the > header. > > Terry... > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > Ok, as far as I know there is no standard function for doing that in the Data Grid. So a solution consists to set the object color directly by code. The name of the bottom header of a data grid is: "dgHeaderBottomBorder" put "red" into tTheColor set the bordercolor of grp "myDataGrid" to tTheColor put the long id of group "dgHeaderMask" of group "dgHeaderComponents" of grp "myDataGrid" into theHeaderGroup set the foregroundColor of grc "dgHeaderBottomBorder" of theHeaderGroup to tTheColor Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed May 26 06:31:42 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 03:31:42 -0700 Subject: Galaga 1990 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nice Geoff -- the use of the move command cuts down significantly on processor use. And your stack reinforces the benefits of avoiding a bunch of stacked "send" messages. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote: > You definitely don't want to do this by positioning everything every > time you update. Instead, the move command is your special friend > here. For the enemy, you can plot out a randomized course from the top > to the bottom, and then tell it to follow that path in a set amount of > time. The bullets are even easier since they just have to go from > bottom to top. I did a quick hack job, cutting the code about in half > and speeding it up significantly. It now handles three enemies and 11 > bullets without breaking a sweat on my macbook. Here's the stack: > http://snurl.com/wsclc and here's the article I posted with some > comments: http://gcanyon.posterous.com/a-blast-from-my-programming-past From rman at free.fr Wed May 26 06:44:40 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: revWeb - revlet - examples please In-Reply-To: <10CCEB25-ACA6-49D3-932E-81B75D7AC07F@numericable.com> References: <4BF860C0.9000806@ucsd.edu> <4BFC95BE.7090602@ucsd.edu> <1274856352761-2231111.post@n4.nabble.com> <10CCEB25-ACA6-49D3-932E-81B75D7AC07F@numericable.com> Message-ID: <1274870680279-2231385.post@n4.nabble.com> Sorry folks : .. my sound sticks were unplugged for some strange reason.. so yes it all works fine... ! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/revWeb-revlet-examples-please-tp2227516p2231385.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From generic.email.30022 at gmail.com Wed May 26 07:43:36 2010 From: generic.email.30022 at gmail.com (Generic Email) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:43:36 -0400 Subject: Galaga 1990 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Geoff, Amazing. Much better. Thanks so much for your attention! Now I am off to try and detect collisions.... Much gratitude! On May 26, 2010, at 3:03 AM, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote: > You definitely don't want to do this by positioning everything every > time you update. Instead, the move command is your special friend > here. For the enemy, you can plot out a randomized course from the top > to the bottom, and then tell it to follow that path in a set amount of > time. The bullets are even easier since they just have to go from > bottom to top. I did a quick hack job, cutting the code about in half > and speeding it up significantly. It now handles three enemies and 11 > bullets without breaking a sweat on my macbook. Here's the stack: > http://snurl.com/wsclc and here's the article I posted with some > comments: http://gcanyon.posterous.com/a-blast-from-my-programming-past > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From gcanyon+rev at gmail.com Wed May 26 08:25:59 2010 From: gcanyon+rev at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon Rev) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:25:59 -0500 Subject: Galaga 1990 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since the enemies' paths are pre-determined in this method, you can determine whether a particular shot will hit an enemy at the time the shot is fired. And vice versa, whether an enemy that you are planning the route for will intersect any of the current shots on the screen. It requires a bit of work, but it's (much) better than checking each time you move the ship to see whether any of the shots have hit any of the enemies. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed May 26 08:47:12 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 05:47:12 -0700 Subject: Implementing a library of behavior buttons across multiple applications Message-ID: <4BFD1850.5050002@fourthworld.com> Peter Haworth wrote: > Thanks Richard. So the SB pulls in ALL the stack files defined to it > int the application and I don;t have to send any of them out with the > app, right? I don't use that feature of Rev myself, but yes, I believe that's what it's designed to do. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From userev at canelasoftware.com Wed May 26 09:39:08 2010 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 06:39:08 -0700 Subject: RunRev on iPad (New) In-Reply-To: <93436164-5FBE-48D7-B27A-46C9B006308E@numericable.com> References: <93436164-5FBE-48D7-B27A-46C9B006308E@numericable.com> Message-ID: This is amazing. I think I have a use for that. One could right an app in Rev and run it on the iPad. We could possibly use this technology to run our remote control software that we had recently ove to tablet PCs. I will get a copy of this software when they release it and report back. Thanks for posting this. Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com On May 26, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > I think I find how use my RunRev applications on my iPad (only in my home... but for me it is wonderfull...) > I have not yet my iPad but in few days... I try it... > http://avatron.com/apps/air-display/ > Bons souvenirs de Paris > Ren?_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Wed May 26 09:52:15 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:52:15 -0400 Subject: RunRev on iPad (New) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 05/26/2010 at 09:39 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: > This is amazing. I think I have a use for that. One could right an > app in Rev and run it on the iPad. We could possibly use this technology > to run our remote control software that we had recently ove to tablet PCs. > I will get a copy of this software when they release it and report back. > Thanks for posting this. > > Best regards, > > Mark Talluto > http://www.canelasoftware.com > > > On May 26, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> I think I find how use my RunRev applications on my iPad (only in my home... but for me it is wonderfull...) >> I have not yet my iPad but in few days... I try it... >> http://avatron.com/apps/air-display/ >> Bons souvenirs de Paris >> Ren? I believe this is just a repackaged VNC client (which is free). You can get free VNC clients for every OS including Android based phones, iPhone/iPod Touch, Mac, Win, Lin, and all types of *nix. It can be useful as long as your virtual keyboard is supported. Don't expect to be steaming video however, because it is not designed for that. It should be fine for basic interaction with a desktop 2D OS. ~Roger Eller From userev at canelasoftware.com Wed May 26 09:57:24 2010 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 06:57:24 -0700 Subject: RunRev on iPad (New) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FAB9836-2F04-42C6-B2F0-77AF69341139@canelasoftware.com> On May 26, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: >>> Ren? > > I believe this is just a repackaged VNC client (which is free). You can get > free VNC clients for every OS including Android based phones, iPhone/iPod > Touch, Mac, Win, Lin, and all types of *nix. It can be useful as long as > your virtual keyboard is supported. Don't expect to be steaming video > however, because it is not designed for that. It should be fine for basic > interaction with a desktop 2D OS. I bought it and it works great! It probably is using VNC under the hood. The speed is great. I have not tried video yet. But the screen refresh is very quick and usable. The mouse moves like if it was connected via wire as a second monitor. There is no pinching as in VNC. There is no virtual keyboard. For our use we could create one through the software we intend to run on the device. It does what it says it is supposed to do. It turns your iPad into a second monitor. It costs $9.99. Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed May 26 10:36:03 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:36:03 -0700 Subject: RunRev on iPad (New) Message-ID: <4BFD31D3.9010300@fourthworld.com> Mark Talluto wrote: > On May 26, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: >>>> Ren? >> >> I believe this is just a repackaged VNC client (which is free). >> You can get free VNC clients for every OS including Android >> based phones, iPhone/iPod Touch, Mac, Win, Lin, and all types >> of *nix. It can be useful as long as your virtual keyboard is >> supported. Don't expect to be steaming video however, because >> it is not designed for that. It should be fine for basic >> interaction with a desktop 2D OS. > > I bought it and it works great! It probably is using VNC under > the hood. The speed is great. I have not tried video yet. But > the screen refresh is very quick and usable. The mouse moves like > if it was connected via wire as a second monitor. There is no > pinching as in VNC. There is no virtual keyboard. For our use > we could create one through the software we intend to run on the > device. It does what it says it is supposed to do. It turns your > iPad into a second monitor. It costs $9.99. That, and a second computer. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From herz at ucsd.edu Wed May 26 10:49:13 2010 From: herz at ucsd.edu (Richard K. Herz) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:49:13 -0700 Subject: revWeb - revlet - examples please In-Reply-To: <20100526081629.02062288410@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100526081629.02062288410@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4BFD34E9.3040707@ucsd.edu> Robert Mann wrote: > nice initiative! I really wonder how large is revTalk community... Anyway > good opportunity to be able to test what actually work and what does not. > > 1) audio on revlet seems to be problematic : > # RGB Music RENGA by Kenji > Kojima : no sound (macBook mac os x 10.5 / on safari and firefox) > Click on the image on the right side of the link above - or go directly to http://www.kenjikojima.com/999ViewsRenga/index.html and click "Allow Once" in the security notice. Then, on the lower right of the window, there is set of Play, Pause, Stop buttons - click the Play button - I hear music on Mac on Firefox OK. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed May 26 11:10:02 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:10:02 -0700 Subject: revWeb - revlet - examples please Message-ID: <4BFD39CA.7010008@fourthworld.com> Richard K. Herz wrote: > Robert Mann wrote: >> nice initiative! I really wonder how large is revTalk community... Anyway >> good opportunity to be able to test what actually work and what does not. >> >> 1) audio on revlet seems to be problematic : >> # RGB Music RENGA by Kenji >> Kojima : no sound (macBook mac os x 10.5 / on safari and firefox) > > Click on the image on the right side of the link above - or go directly to > http://www.kenjikojima.com/999ViewsRenga/index.html > and click "Allow Once" in the security notice. Then, on the lower right > of the window, there is set of Play, Pause, Stop buttons - click the > Play button - I hear music on Mac on Firefox OK. Mr. Kojima normally does very excellent work, so my experience is probably more reflective of the beta state of the plugin than his coding, but FWIW under the latest version of Firefox I heard squelches when I clicked the Play button, then I got the Beach Ball of Death and suddenly most other apps weren't working normally either; had to restart my Mac for the first time in more than a week. As a side note, it would be nice if the plugin could ask for user permissions when they're needed rather than before the stack loads. Before the stack loads the user has no way to know why the stack would need access to their drive, but once the stack is running the user can see that they have options to save files locally. Another option might be to allow the stack to respond to the user's response to that security prompt, so that it could load a version without the security-risking features which, in my experience, are usually peripheral to a stack's main functionality. As it is, with so many people requiring their site visitors to give them unbridled access to everything on their hard drive, Rev developers are giving the RevWeb plugin a reputation of being The Scariest Plugin on the Internet. RevWeb security warnings: use sparingly -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From klaus at major.on-rev.com Wed May 26 11:25:09 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 17:25:09 +0200 Subject: revWeb - revlet - examples please In-Reply-To: <4BFD34E9.3040707@ucsd.edu> References: <20100526081629.02062288410@mail.runrev.com> <4BFD34E9.3040707@ucsd.edu> Message-ID: <8AA0821F-D4C0-4BE6-8885-485D17F4A5AA@major.on-rev.com> Am 26.05.2010 um 16:49 schrieb Richard K. Herz: > Robert Mann wrote: >> nice initiative! I really wonder how large is revTalk community... Anyway >> good opportunity to be able to test what actually work and what does not. >> >> 1) audio on revlet seems to be problematic : >> # RGB Music RENGA by Kenji >> Kojima : no sound (macBook mac os x 10.5 / on safari and firefox) >> > > Click on the image on the right side of the link above - or go directly to > http://www.kenjikojima.com/999ViewsRenga/index.html > and click "Allow Once" in the security notice. Then, on the lower right of the window, there is set of Play, Pause, Stop buttons - click the Play button - I hear music on Mac on Firefox OK. Also works fine in Safari for me! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed May 26 11:34:54 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:34:54 -0400 Subject: GLX Application Framework: difference between a resource and a stack In-Reply-To: References: <51D47DF1-D8BF-469E-B360-28674F557F7E@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: On May 25, 2010, at 7:26 PM, David Bovill wrote: > On 25 May 2010 20:59, Trevor DeVore wrote: > >> Standalone Resources are files that need to be included when >> building the >> app but which aren't explicitly loaded when you open the >> application in Rev. >> >> http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/glxapp/lessons/5558-How-Do-I-Include-Supporting-Files-Folders-When-I-Build-My-Application- >> > > So why do you add the Datagrid library as a Resource in the other > tutorial? Because you don't want to load the data grid library in the IDE (the IDE already does that). This is explained in the lesson on including the data grid library. http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/glxapp/lessons/6887-What-is-the-Best-Way-To-Include-the-Data-Grid-Library- > NB - how do I check that I have the latest version? The official build is listed on the web page: http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/glx-application-framework/ This is the build that is documented. I have posted newer builds for some folks though and you may have one of those. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From andrew at rjdfarm.com Wed May 26 11:42:34 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Script Reporter v1.1 crashes In-Reply-To: <4BFC0248.40707@fourthworld.com> References: <1274714755232-2228724.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BFC0248.40707@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1274888554415-2231900.post@n4.nabble.com> Most of the script i need to re-write is just in card scripts of my stacks. The re-write is just a new user interface with some extreme code refactoring. Its probably like 4 stacks with a couple of cards each. Its not super big deal, but it would be very helpful because the stacks I need to re-write won't even load correctly in the IDE. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Script-Reporter-v1-1-crashes-tp2228724p2231900.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From userev at canelasoftware.com Wed May 26 11:48:13 2010 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:48:13 -0700 Subject: RunRev on iPad (New) In-Reply-To: <4BFD31D3.9010300@fourthworld.com> References: <4BFD31D3.9010300@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <6CE12CDA-6760-40B7-BBBB-2FB1ABCF3C69@canelasoftware.com> On May 26, 2010, at 7:36 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > I bought it and it works great! It probably is using VNC under > > the hood. The speed is great. I have not tried video yet. But > > the screen refresh is very quick and usable. The mouse moves like > > if it was connected via wire as a second monitor. There is no > > pinching as in VNC. There is no virtual keyboard. For our use > > we could create one through the software we intend to run on the > > device. It does what it says it is supposed to do. It turns your > > iPad into a second monitor. It costs $9.99. > > That, and a second computer. :) Our software is sold on a iMac as it is. So the secondary app we develop would run on that computer. The app we made is a remote control for our vision testing software. The cool part is that a doctor's office of 6 exam rooms would install the software on only one computer. The doctor would be able to control all the exam rooms with a single device do to our pairing feature and using a network. It does everything as well as our netbook solution minus the video. The video comes over at about 5-10 frames a second. This was tested with a 720p animation from apples website. We can still have our product auto update since it is a normal app running on a standard computer. This solution is not going to be for everyone. It will only be useful to those that were going to need LAN connectivity anyways. Apps that were designed to run in the field will still need a true iApp. The other option is to go with Rodeo if you have WAN connectivity. Citrix is coming out with a solution that lets one use a Win server to run apps on iPads. The AirDisplay solution is a much more affordable, albeit simplified solution that will only work for certain apps. I am sure the author of the app did not intend it to be used this way. Maybe they will improve on it or make a new app that makes it do more of what the Citrix solution offers. Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed May 26 11:48:22 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:48:22 -0700 Subject: Script Reporter v1.1 crashes Message-ID: <4BFD42C6.3040204@fourthworld.com> Andrew Kluthe wrote: > Most of the script i need to re-write is just in card scripts of my stacks. > The re-write is just a new user interface with some extreme code > refactoring. Its probably like 4 stacks with a couple of cards each. Its not > super big deal, but it would be very helpful because the stacks I need to > re-write won't even load correctly in the IDE. How did that happen? Never seen that before.... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From andrew at rjdfarm.com Wed May 26 12:04:17 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Script Reporter v1.1 crashes In-Reply-To: <4BFD42C6.3040204@fourthworld.com> References: <1274714755232-2228724.post@n4.nabble.com> <4BFD42C6.3040204@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1274889857539-2231930.post@n4.nabble.com> The thing is, I am not sure. I started building this application while learning runRev a few months back. I started it as just research into a project I was hired to work on. The client wanted me to continue work after seeing such results in days rather than weeks. At this point I decided to use the GLX Framework. I was bothered by the fact that I didn't fully understand rev let alone the GLX framework so two weeks later I removed it. This is when it started that most of my time programming turned into cleaning up the problems that the nasty research codebase that was definitely not any good and fixing problems that ripping GLX out had caused. My program was nearing completion and suddenly I couldn't track down a localhost DB connection my application was trying to make that didn't exist anymore (from before I started using SQL Yoga). There were other more serious problems that I posted about here: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Strange-behavior-in-the-IDE-td2223808.html#a2223808 It won't take me long to re-write and it would be a serious benefit to my finished product if I did. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Script-Reporter-v1-1-crashes-tp2228724p2231930.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bobs at twft.com Wed May 26 12:12:53 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:12:53 -0700 Subject: RunRev on iPad (New) In-Reply-To: <93436164-5FBE-48D7-B27A-46C9B006308E@numericable.com> References: <93436164-5FBE-48D7-B27A-46C9B006308E@numericable.com> Message-ID: <9D60481D-F2DF-43F9-8196-C645707EAFD9@twft.com> Interesting, but that's not Revolution stacks on an iPad. That's Revolution stacks on a second monitor! :-) Bob On May 26, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > I think I find how use my RunRev applications on my iPad (only in my home... but for me it is wonderfull...) > I have not yet my iPad but in few days... I try it... > http://avatron.com/apps/air-display/ > Bons souvenirs de Paris > Ren?_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From rene.micout at numericable.com Wed May 26 12:29:19 2010 From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:29:19 +0200 Subject: RunRev on iPad (New) In-Reply-To: <9D60481D-F2DF-43F9-8196-C645707EAFD9@twft.com> References: <93436164-5FBE-48D7-B27A-46C9B006308E@numericable.com> <9D60481D-F2DF-43F9-8196-C645707EAFD9@twft.com> Message-ID: <98D6952E-4DB2-4F30-9A39-3767EBAD5236@numericable.com> Yes, but a "touch" second screen. Actually I work on a Wacom Cintiq, but with stylet, and for futures project I need my fingers... I know there is restrictions but it is my own application, for me only. I'll try it as soon as I received my iPad... Le 26 mai 2010 ? 18:12, Bob Sneidar a ?crit : > Interesting, but that's not Revolution stacks on an iPad. That's Revolution stacks on a second monitor! :-) > > Bob > > > On May 26, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> I think I find how use my RunRev applications on my iPad (only in my home... but for me it is wonderfull...) >> I have not yet my iPad but in few days... I try it... >> http://avatron.com/apps/air-display/ >> Bons souvenirs de Paris >> Ren?_______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From userev at canelasoftware.com Wed May 26 12:34:48 2010 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:34:48 -0700 Subject: RunRev on iPad (New) In-Reply-To: <9D60481D-F2DF-43F9-8196-C645707EAFD9@twft.com> References: <93436164-5FBE-48D7-B27A-46C9B006308E@numericable.com> <9D60481D-F2DF-43F9-8196-C645707EAFD9@twft.com> Message-ID: <4396ED1B-4CBD-4B64-8366-CC8C5F0EC38F@canelasoftware.com> You are right. If your interest is to make an app to be sold in the iApp marketplace, then this is not for you. We just wanted to use the iPad hardware to run a product that does not rely on Apple to sell it for us. It is an add-on to an already well established product in its marketplace. It may be that this solution is helpful to a very small amount of developers. If you are one of those that planned to develop on the iPad, be LAN connected, and did not need to sell through iTunes, then this may be good for you too. We are situated in an environment where 99% of our users run our software on iMacs. Our user base has strongly requested the software to run on the iPad. The software requires the vision testing system to be installed. Our setup is such that this solution really works well for us. We still have our netbook solution selling today and are interested in how the Android platform develops. Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com On May 26, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Interesting, but that's not Revolution stacks on an iPad. That's Revolution stacks on a second monitor! :-) > > Bob > > > On May 26, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Ren? Micout wrote: > >> I think I find how use my RunRev applications on my iPad (only in my home... but for me it is wonderfull...) >> I have not yet my iPad but in few days... I try it... >> http://avatron.com/apps/air-display/ >> Bons souvenirs de Paris >> Ren?_______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From katir at hindu.org Wed May 26 12:37:34 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 06:37:34 -1000 Subject: How to hide scroll if field does not require it Message-ID: <4BFD4E4E.3090701@hindu.org> Anyone else wish that fields has a property by which you could turn off the appears of the vertical scroll bar, if the field actually did not have enough text to require it? In the absence of that feature, what is the best way to program this? I have a field that is dynamically filled with a listing from folders on the server on the LAN. Sometimes there may only be 1-2 files i the list, other times there are many. I would like the field not to have a vertical scroll bar if there it only has 1-7 lines of text and then if it fills with 8, suddenly the scroll bar appears. I can think of ways to do this, but How are others doing this? Thanks Sivakatirswami From devin_asay at byu.edu Wed May 26 12:40:53 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:40:53 -0600 Subject: How to hide scroll if field does not require it In-Reply-To: <4BFD4E4E.3090701@hindu.org> References: <4BFD4E4E.3090701@hindu.org> Message-ID: <5DAF6AB4-F56A-4629-8C9A-35C34896E436@byu.edu> On May 26, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > Anyone else wish that fields has a property by which you could turn off > the appears of the vertical scroll bar, if the field actually did not > have enough text to require it? > > In the absence of that feature, what is the best way to program this? > > I have a field that is dynamically filled with a listing from folders on > the server on the LAN. Sometimes there may only be 1-2 files i the list, > other times there are many. I would like the field not to have a > vertical scroll bar if there it only has 1-7 lines of text and then if > it fills with 8, suddenly the scroll bar appears. > > I can think of ways to do this, but How are others doing this? This handler is in my standard library stack used by most of my projects: command enableScrollbarIfNeeded pFldName if the formattedHeight of fld pFldName > the height of fld pFldName then set the vScrollbar of fld pFldName to true else set the vScrollbar of fld pFldName to false end if end enableScrollbarIfNeeded It's worked well for me. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From DunbarX at aol.com Wed May 26 12:42:13 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:42:13 EDT Subject: How to hide scroll if field does not require it Message-ID: <529b1.326d5b14.392ea965@aol.com> Hi. Set the vScrollBar property based on the formattedHeight. Craig Newman From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed May 26 12:45:35 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:45:35 +0200 Subject: How to hide scroll if field does not require it In-Reply-To: <4BFD4E4E.3090701@hindu.org> References: <4BFD4E4E.3090701@hindu.org> Message-ID: Sivakatirswami, Do you mean that you would like fields to do this automatically? The following works for a simple editable field: on rawKeyUp set the vScrollbar of me to (the formattedHeight of me > the height of me) pass rawKeyUp end rawKeyUp It is easy to add a similar feature to your own script. What is your own solution? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 26 mei 2010, at 18:37, Sivakatirswami wrote: > Anyone else wish that fields has a property by which you could turn > off the appears of the vertical scroll bar, if the field actually > did not have enough text to require it? > > In the absence of that feature, what is the best way to program this? > > I have a field that is dynamically filled with a listing from > folders on the server on the LAN. Sometimes there may only be 1-2 > files i the list, other times there are many. I would like the field > not to have a vertical scroll bar if there it only has 1-7 lines of > text and then if it fills with 8, suddenly the scroll bar appears. > > I can think of ways to do this, but How are others doing this? > > Thanks > Sivakatirswami From alex at a2technology.com Wed May 26 12:50:48 2010 From: alex at a2technology.com (Alex Adams) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:50:48 -0700 Subject: Testing a DB connection Message-ID: Does anyone have a simple technique for testing to see if a DB connection is still functioning before trying to use it to execute some SQL? I have an app that accesses hosted databases directly (postgres). Users logon at app startup. If they let the app sit for long enough, the connection to the DB server is dropped. This is reasonable, but I want a simple way of testing to see if the connection has been dropped and if it has to reestablish the connection transparently before executing SQL statements. I need a simple isDBStillThere handler. Is anyone doing anything similar? Thanks, -- Alex Adams hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc. 831-726-8013 alex at a2technology.com hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com universalConnector.wordpress.com From massung at gmail.com Wed May 26 12:56:04 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:56:04 -0500 Subject: How to hide scroll if field does not require it In-Reply-To: References: <4BFD4E4E.3090701@hindu.org> Message-ID: Just wondering... does the formattedHeight take O(N) time to compute or does the field know it in O(1) time? If O(N), then this solution sucks for fields of any appreciable size (say 1,000+ lines). Jeff M. From katir at hindu.org Wed May 26 13:00:08 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Web Admin Himalayan Academy) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:00:08 -1000 Subject: How to hide scroll if field does not require it In-Reply-To: References: <4BFD4E4E.3090701@hindu.org> Message-ID: <4BFD5398.2060709@hindu.org> Formatted width was the obviously way to go, but as with some many xTalk things: how best to implement? attached it to the field (as you have done) put it in the stack script and call it when the card is opened, what if you have a menu that is loading the field by chosing a folder... I don't do enough professional apps to always know what is the best way to do things, I pretty much hack my way through to something that just works. I'll use Devin's little handler. I'm creating right now a fairly sophisticated little app for revision control of InDesign Files for a team of editors (since Adobe saw fit to drop it's Version Cue product, which was badly broken anyway) has more code than anything I have done in the past (nearly 400 lines now in the stack script)... I'm already in trouble trying to use "private command preopencard" to prevent things from happening when substacks are opened, but if you privatize commands, sometimes they just don't work and I don't understand why. I got a lot of globals going and sometimes they just turn up empty....at least from a handler's point of view, but if I check them in the msg box, they have values! dunno why, nothing is resetting them, so I started setting up custom props on the fly as these seem to be less volatile... I'm starting to wish I had a better grip on "best practices" Hence I always run to this list for help from the pros. command enableScrollbarIfNeeded pFldName if the formattedHeight of fld pFldName> the height of fld pFldName then set the vScrollbar of fld pFldName to true else set the vScrollbar of fld pFldName to false end if end enableScrollbarIfNeeded Thanks Devin! On 5/26/10 6:45 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Sivakatirswami, > > Do you mean that you would like fields to do this automatically? The > following works for a simple editable field: > > on rawKeyUp > set the vScrollbar of me to (the formattedHeight of me > the > height of me) > pass rawKeyUp > end rawKeyUp > > It is easy to add a similar feature to your own script. What is your > own solution? > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > From katir at hindu.org Wed May 26 13:16:02 2010 From: katir at hindu.org (Web Admin Himalayan Academy) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:16:02 -1000 Subject: How to deal with unplug from the LAN In-Reply-To: <9D60481D-F2DF-43F9-8196-C645707EAFD9@twft.com> References: <93436164-5FBE-48D7-B27A-46C9B006308E@numericable.com> <9D60481D-F2DF-43F9-8196-C645707EAFD9@twft.com> Message-ID: <4BFD5752.4020701@hindu.org> With a tip from Andre, we solved this problem... it's really pretty neat. Perhaps someone else may need this. Mac Only This queries the hardware-network interface and give you and instant response... if the users just unplugs from the network or turns of her airport, with a remote volume mounted... you want to be sure you don't try to interact with the server...otherwise you will get a 2 minute time out waiting before the system gives back the CPU to RunRev.... Do this first: (disclaimer, any code I offer probably could be highly optimized) function connectionStatus put shell("ifconfig") into tStatus # Parse for ethernet status put lineOffset ("en0:",tStatus) into tTarget put line ((lineOffset ("Status:",tStatus,tTarget))+tTarget) of tStatus into tEN0status set the itemdel to ":" if (item -1 of tEN0status) = " active" then return "true" else return "false" end if # Check Airport-Wireless status put lineOffset ("en1:",tStatus) into tTarget put line ((lineOffset ("Status",tStatus,tTarget))+tTarget) of tStatus into tEN1status set the itemdel to ":" if item -1of tEN1status = " active" then return "true" end if end connectionstatus Then all other places you need to interact with the server: command CheckVarunaIsMounted if connectionStatus() <> "True" then answer "You appear to be offline line. Connect to the network by ethernet or airport. Then try again." with "OK" exit to top else put URL "file:/Volumes/Varuna/WWW/*Sites/varuna.hindu.org/ping.txt" into gControlFile if gControlFile = "true" then set the icon of btn "Connected" to 1097 put "true" into gVarunaMounted set the uVarunaMounted of this stack to "true" else put "false" into gVarunaMounted set the uVarunaMounted of this stack to "False" set the icon of btn "Connected" to 1098 answer "Varuna is not mounted. Shall I mount it for you?" with "OK" mountVaruna exit to top end if end if end CheckVarunaIsMounted command Checkin pFileName CheckVarunaIsMounted if the uVarunaMounted of this stack <> "true" then answer "Sorry, Varuna is not mounted, you cannot check in files." with "OK" exit to top end if # increment revision number; change co to CI; retain user initials; rename local file put pFileName into tNewFileName etc... end checkIn Then I always run this every time I set the default folder to the server, when done getting the file listing: command unTetherStackFromServer set the defaultFolder to ($Home&"/Documents/") end unTetherStackFromServer and then the user gets no msg saying he can't unmount the volume because it is in use by RunRev. HTH somebody... Sivakatirswami From mstuart at adaptcrm.com Wed May 26 13:21:19 2010 From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:21:19 -0700 Subject: Detecting which column was clicked in a Table field Message-ID: Hi All, How do I return the column number that the user clicked in? I know how to get the selectedLine of a Table field, but I'd like to know which column of the selectedLine the user clicked into. Thanx in advance, Mark Stuart From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed May 26 13:27:24 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:27:24 -0700 Subject: Testing a DB connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: SELECT "any text" if you don't get a revDB error, it's there. But I've found there is surprisingly little overhead in just opening and closing the database for every query, unless one needs a rapid-fire sequence of queries. Then one could program the open and close for the burst. On 26 May 2010 09:50, Alex Adams wrote: > Does anyone have a simple technique for testing to see if a DB connection > is > still functioning before trying to use it to execute some SQL? > > I have an app that accesses hosted databases directly (postgres). Users > logon at app startup. If they let the app sit for long enough, the > connection to the DB server is dropped. This is reasonable, but I want a > simple way of testing to see if the connection has been dropped and if it > has to reestablish the connection transparently before executing SQL > statements. > > I need a simple isDBStillThere handler. Is anyone doing anything similar? > > Thanks, > -- > Alex Adams > > hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems > > (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc. > 831-726-8013 > alex at a2technology.com > hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com > universalConnector.wordpress.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From massung at gmail.com Wed May 26 13:29:12 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:29:12 -0500 Subject: Datagrid for tree view? Message-ID: Anyone have an example of this? Conversely, I know there's an external or other 3rd party stack which does this but I don't remember the name if someone can point me at it. Thanks! Jeff M. From andre at andregarzia.com Wed May 26 13:23:38 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:23:38 -0300 Subject: Testing a DB connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alex, I know sqlYoga does that and if the connection died, it tries to reopen it but I don't know the implementation details. Andre On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Alex Adams wrote: > Does anyone have a simple technique for testing to see if a DB connection > is > still functioning before trying to use it to execute some SQL? > > I have an app that accesses hosted databases directly (postgres). Users > logon at app startup. If they let the app sit for long enough, the > connection to the DB server is dropped. This is reasonable, but I want a > simple way of testing to see if the connection has been dropped and if it > has to reestablish the connection transparently before executing SQL > statements. > > I need a simple isDBStillThere handler. Is anyone doing anything similar? > > Thanks, > -- > Alex Adams > > hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems > > (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc. > 831-726-8013 > alex at a2technology.com > hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com > universalConnector.wordpress.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed May 26 13:29:45 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:29:45 -0700 Subject: Testing a DB connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I might add that in a situation with many users the server will be much happier if one opens and closes the db more often than less. On 26 May 2010 10:27, stephen barncard wrote: > SELECT "any text" > > if you don't get a revDB error, it's there. But I've found there is > surprisingly little overhead in just opening and closing the database for > every query, unless one needs a rapid-fire sequence of queries. Then one > could program the open and close for the burst. > > > On 26 May 2010 09:50, Alex Adams wrote: > >> Does anyone have a simple technique for testing to see if a DB connection >> is >> still functioning before trying to use it to execute some SQL? >> >> I have an app that accesses hosted databases directly (postgres). Users >> logon at app startup. If they let the app sit for long enough, the >> connection to the DB server is dropped. This is reasonable, but I want a >> simple way of testing to see if the connection has been dropped and if it >> has to reestablish the connection transparently before executing SQL >> statements. >> >> I need a simple isDBStillThere handler. Is anyone doing anything similar? >> >> Thanks, >> -- >> Alex Adams >> >> hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems >> >> (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc. >> 831-726-8013 >> alex at a2technology.com >> hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com >> universalConnector.wordpress.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 26 13:29:19 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:29:19 +0300 Subject: Hard CASE: cracking the nut? Message-ID: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> A while back Scott Rossi wrote: "Maybe because standalones have an (editable) script limit of 10 lines, meaning you can't build scripts dynamically in standalones that exceed 10 lines. There is no such limit in the IDE." seems not to, directly refer to my script problem; EXCEPT; my problematic script (that works in a stack, but not in a standalone) thread through a variety of scripts that exceed 10 lines and reside in fields. Does anybody know if reffing scripts infields is interpreted as building scripts dynamically as they are not directly entered in the 'script space' of a particular object ? If the above is so; would I be able to circumvent the need to store socking-great scripts many times over in each object by stroing a script as a custom prop in an object than can be reffed from other objects (why do I get a funny feeling that scripts stored in custom props can only be accessed by that particular object???)? How about storing the script in the stack / card script and calling it???? How about running down the main street with a plastic bag on my head shouting "noodly, noodly, noodly, pip, pip, pip, poop" ? sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed May 26 13:38:59 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 13:38:59 -0400 Subject: Testing a DB connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <461E951B-4B31-41C6-B7CB-BB9AC798CF12@mangomultimedia.com> On May 26, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > I know sqlYoga does that and if the connection died, it tries to > reopen it > but I don't know the implementation details. All SQL Yoga queries go through a central handler that checks for a particular error message from RevDB. If the error is known to be caused by the server disappearing then SQL Yoga tries to reconnect once and run the query again. I currently have code in place for MySQL and SQLite (SQLite can sometimes has issues if running over a network drive). -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed May 26 13:44:16 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:44:16 -0700 Subject: Hard CASE: cracking the nut? In-Reply-To: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> References: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> Message-ID: One cannot 'set the script of' inside a standalone. But perhaps a script of a stack outside the app could be written to by a SA. ( Richmond: please let us know..) I know in HC I would 'point' to various fields and get past the 30k limit of their field system. However, I don't remember how I put them in the path. I think I had some kind of handler switching system. That was over 20 years ago. Is script swapping really necessary? We've got so many ways to do things, substacks, etc without the workarounds we had to do in HC. Is there really a reason to 'do' more than a few lines? I'm sure that "do'ing" runs slower, too, so not good for repetitive tasks. On 26 May 2010 10:29, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > A while back Scott Rossi wrote: > > "Maybe because standalones have an (editable) script limit of 10 lines, > meaning you can't build scripts dynamically in standalones that exceed > 10 lines. There is no such limit in the IDE." > > seems not to, directly refer to my script problem; > > EXCEPT; my problematic script (that works in a stack, but not in a > standalone) > thread through a variety of scripts that exceed 10 lines and reside in > fields. > > Does anybody know if reffing scripts infields is interpreted as building > scripts dynamically as they are not directly entered in the 'script space' > of a particular object ? > > If the above is so; would I be able to circumvent the need to store > socking-great > scripts many times over in each object by stroing a script as a custom prop > in > an object than can be reffed from other objects (why do I get a funny > feeling > that scripts stored in custom props can only be accessed by that particular > object???)? > > How about storing the script in the stack / card script and calling it???? > > How about running down the main street with a plastic bag on my head > shouting > "noodly, noodly, noodly, pip, pip, pip, poop" ? > > sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From revolution at derbrill.de Wed May 26 13:44:25 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 19:44:25 +0200 Subject: Datagrid for tree view? In-Reply-To: <20100526170005.B23C4288604@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100526170005.B23C4288604@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <398F2F04-93CB-4709-8048-9B8B1319460E@derbrill.de> I can wholeheartedly recommend the data tree control on revSelect: http://runrev.com/products/related-software/data-tree/ I like it very much. :-) Cheers, Malte From revolution at derbrill.de Wed May 26 13:52:45 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 19:52:45 +0200 Subject: Hard CASE: cracking the nut? In-Reply-To: <20100526170005.B23C4288604@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100526170005.B23C4288604@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > "noodly, noodly, noodly, pip, pip, pip, poop" ? Sounds like a great start to me. Must try that :-) If you are using do field "xyz", then indeed you are running into the script limits. Write handlers at stack or library level and execute those. example at stack level on noodly answer "pip" end noodly now you can call noodly from any control in your stack. Example for a button: on mouseUp noodly end mouseUp Cheers, Malte From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 26 14:04:26 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 13:04:26 -0500 Subject: Hard CASE: cracking the nut? In-Reply-To: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> References: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BFD62AA.2010104@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > A while back Scott Rossi wrote: > > "Maybe because standalones have an (editable) script limit of 10 lines, > meaning you can't build scripts dynamically in standalones that exceed > 10 lines. There is no such limit in the IDE." > > seems not to, directly refer to my script problem; I'm pretty sure that's the problem, and was going to mention it except Scott beat me to it. > > EXCEPT; my problematic script (that works in a stack, but not in a > standalone) > thread through a variety of scripts that exceed 10 lines and reside in > fields. > > Does anybody know if reffing scripts infields is interpreted as building > scripts dynamically as they are not directly entered in the 'script space' > of a particular object ? They are. Any script that isn't pre-compiled in the script editor is "dynamic". > > If the above is so; would I be able to circumvent the need to store > socking-great > scripts many times over in each object by stroing a script as a custom > prop in > an object than can be reffed from other objects (why do I get a funny > feeling > that scripts stored in custom props can only be accessed by that > particular object???)? You can access custom properties of an object from anywhere, even another stack, but even so it will be a dynamic script. So that won't work for you either. Any script that needs "do" in order to execute is dynamic. > > How about storing the script in the stack / card script and calling it???? That will work, and is what you should do. But note that you can't set the script of an object to more than 10 lines in a standalone either, so the script has to be static. Any script longer than that has to be pre-written and compiled in the IDE. Since you need the script for several objects, have you considered using behaviors instead? Compile the script in a button, and then assign that button as the behavior for all the objects that need to use it. > > How about running down the main street with a plastic bag on my head > shouting > "noodly, noodly, noodly, pip, pip, pip, poop" ? If you decide to do that, take videos, please. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From psahores at free.fr Wed May 26 14:30:43 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:30:43 +0200 Subject: revWeb - revlet - examples please In-Reply-To: <4BFC95BE.7090602@ucsd.edu> References: <4BFC95BE.7090602@ucsd.edu> Message-ID: Hi Richard, Here is one more, a simple secret sentence game. The revlet is getting its contents from an on-rev mysql db. Best, Pierre Le 26 mai 2010 ? 05:30, Richard K. Herz a ?crit : > A few days ago I asked for links to web pages with revlets - here is my list so far: > > # Link 4 Game by John Dixon > # Guess game by Jacqueline Landman Gay > # Chance lab and physics impulse lab by George Brackett > # Color puzzle by Bernd Niggemann > # K12 educational example by Judy Perry > # Language and History educational revlets by L. Kirk Hagen > # RGB Music RENGA by Kenji Kojima > # University staff database by Rolf Kocherhans, - click "allow once" to allow network communication to database, then revlet opens as iPhone emulator, click on slider button (don't drag), type rolf without return, etc. > # Developer's examples by Sarah Reichelt > # Chemical reactors by Rich Herz > > Thanks to everyone who sent their own links, or recommendations. One thing I learned is that my graphics aren't up to par - the others are beautiful! > > The speed at which graphics are updated in a revlet, as displayed in a browser, is slower than in a desktop app, not surprisingly. But that is the only limitation I have encountered so far in converting stacks to revlets, and that may only affect a relatively large number of objects updating rapidly. > > I hope that the number of web pages with revlets grows fast. Revlets seem to have a lot of potential. > > Rich Herz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed May 26 14:30:44 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 21:30:44 +0300 Subject: Hard CASE: cracking the nut? In-Reply-To: <4BFD62AA.2010104@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> <4BFD62AA.2010104@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BFD68D4.4070203@gmail.com> Thank you for all the good advice: especially the last bit: - >> >> How about running down the main street with a plastic bag on my head >> shouting >> "noodly, noodly, noodly, pip, pip, pip, poop" ? > > If you decide to do that, take videos, please. :) > However; being a bit of a slob, I have taken the easy route: instead of having 19 faux buttons (images) reffing a script stored in a field I have copied the offending script into each button. Oddly enough, considering the offending script is somewhere near 2000 lines (serious stuff), it doesn't seem to slow things down noticeably: compiles and builds as a standalone that WORKS. ----------------------------------------------- is " Any script that needs "do" in order to execute is dynamic." adequately documented in the documentation ? "When using a standalone application created by Revolution, you can include up to ten statements in the statementList. This limit is set by line 2 of the scriptLimits function. This limitation does not apply when using the development environment." Um . . . not terribly clear (well, at least not to the likes of me); how do sillybillies like me understand that a statementList ( a what ??????) refers to a field or some other sort of container? ----------------------------------------------- Peter Sarstedt is singing "I am balanced well, you see, I am a Cathedral locked in stain glass windows, I am a Cathedral dimly lit. and hemmed in solitude, and yet, I see a shangri-la, whenever the mountain wind blows, I see shangri-la and I touch it. And will you share, your crust of bread with me, and will you dare, to trust your head and see." and I know the feeling right now . . . :) ---------------------------------------------- relieved to have jumped that hurdle . . . ! From bobs at twft.com Wed May 26 14:31:53 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:31:53 -0700 Subject: Testing a DB connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02AA6C5A-1D37-476C-915A-6AB536DCC84E@twft.com> Yes just check the result after making a call to the DB. I have found it useful to set up my data before opening a connection to a database, and then once I open it, I update all my data and close it right away. This way I know I have to open a connection just before updating any data, and I usually have a command or function I call that exit's to top after popping a dialog for the user's sake. As others have posted, sqlYoga also has a method of reconnecting, but of course if the database is gone, it will still return an error, so you still have to handle it. Bob On May 26, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Alex Adams wrote: > Does anyone have a simple technique for testing to see if a DB connection is > still functioning before trying to use it to execute some SQL? > > I have an app that accesses hosted databases directly (postgres). Users > logon at app startup. If they let the app sit for long enough, the > connection to the DB server is dropped. This is reasonable, but I want a > simple way of testing to see if the connection has been dropped and if it > has to reestablish the connection transparently before executing SQL > statements. > > I need a simple isDBStillThere handler. Is anyone doing anything similar? > > Thanks, > -- > Alex Adams > > hawkVision ? tools for solving Wicked Problems > > (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc. > 831-726-8013 > alex at a2technology.com > hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com > universalConnector.wordpress.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 26 14:36:38 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 13:36:38 -0500 Subject: Detecting which column was clicked in a Table field In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BFD6A36.6010401@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Stuart wrote: > Hi All, > How do I return the column number that the user clicked in? > I know how to get the selectedLine of a Table field, but I'd like to > know which column of the selectedLine the user clicked into. Something like this: put word 4 of the clickchunk into tCharNum subtract (the number of chars in line 1 to \ (word 2 of the clickline)-1 of me) +1 from tCharNum set the itemdel to tab put the number of items in char 1 to tCharNum of the value of the clickLine -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From psahores at free.fr Wed May 26 14:41:24 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:41:24 +0200 Subject: revWeb - revlet - examples please In-Reply-To: <4BFD39CA.7010008@fourthworld.com> References: <4BFD39CA.7010008@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <16B0A26D-2794-4F29-804C-D7B24A437C39@free.fr> Le 26 mai 2010 ? 17:10, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > As a side note, it would be nice if the plugin could ask for user permissions when they're needed rather than before the stack loads. > > Before the stack loads the user has no way to know why the stack would need access to their drive, but once the stack is running the user can see that they have options to save files locally. > > Another option might be to allow the stack to respond to the user's response to that security prompt, so that it could load a version without the security-risking features which, in my experience, are usually peripheral to a stack's main functionality. Please, add my vote to this proposal :-) -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Wed May 26 13:23:09 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 19:23:09 +0200 Subject: [data grid] can't hide one of the scrollbar In-Reply-To: References: <1A0CA915-180C-4FC7-8EFB-A997E77ABAEB@inria.fr> Message-ID: 2010/5/25 Trevor DeVore > On May 13, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: > > ----------------- >> on mouseUp >> local DGRef, >> ------- >> copy group "DataGrid" of group "Templates" of stack "revDataGridLibrary" >> to this card >> put it into DGRef >> set the dgProp["show hScrollBar"] of DGRef to "false" >> set the dgProp["show vScrollBar"] of DGRef to "false" >> end mouseUp >> ----------------- >> then, the V scroll bar remains visible >> >> If I invert the order of the 2 last lines then it is the H scroll bar >> which remains visible >> >> In other words, the last line is not executed >> >> What am I doing wrong? >> > > Nothing. There was an unbalanced "lock messages" call in one of the > handlers that repositioned columns. I've fixed this for the next release. If > you want to fix it in your own copy of the library find the ned of the > handler _table.RepositionColumns and add 'set the lockmessages to > msgsAreLocked' above the unlock screen call. > > ======= > ... > > set the lockmessages to msgsAreLocked > unlock screen > end _table.RepositionColumns > ======== > I have just updated my copy of the Data Grid Lib with all your recent posts, thanks Trevor ;) -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 26 15:06:43 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:06:43 -0500 Subject: Hard CASE: cracking the nut? In-Reply-To: <4BFD68D4.4070203@gmail.com> References: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> <4BFD62AA.2010104@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD68D4.4070203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BFD7143.2050405@hyperactivesw.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > is " Any script that needs "do" in order to execute is dynamic." > adequately documented in the documentation ? > > "When using a standalone application created by Revolution, you can > include up to ten statements in the statementList. This limit is set by > line 2 of the scriptLimits function. This limitation does not apply when > using the development environment." > > Um . . . not terribly clear (well, at least not to the likes of me); how > do sillybillies like me > understand that a statementList ( a what ??????) refers to a field or > some other sort of container? The term "statementlist" here is in italics, which means it's a variable name. That's the convention for all syntax descriptions in the docs. The variable in this case consists of a list of statements or a series of commands (which can be stored anywhere.) The example section on the page show several types of "statementlists". -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From martyknapp at comcast.net Wed May 26 15:12:38 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:12:38 -0700 Subject: Hard CASE: cracking the nut? In-Reply-To: <4BFD7143.2050405@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> <4BFD62AA.2010104@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD68D4.4070203@gmail.com> <4BFD7143.2050405@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BFD72A6.5050301@comcast.net> I've been running into the 10-statement script limit issue myself. Is there a way to put a script into a field or custom property and execute it without a "do" command? If so, could someone offer an example? In my current scenario, speed is not a big issue. Thanks, Marty > Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> is " Any script that needs "do" in order to execute is dynamic." >> adequately documented in the documentation ? >> >> "When using a standalone application created by Revolution, you can >> include up to ten statements in the statementList. This limit is set >> by line 2 of the scriptLimits function. This limitation does not >> apply when using the development environment." >> >> Um . . . not terribly clear (well, at least not to the likes of me); >> how do sillybillies like me >> understand that a statementList ( a what ??????) refers to a field or >> some other sort of container? > > The term "statementlist" here is in italics, which means it's a > variable name. That's the convention for all syntax descriptions in > the docs. The variable in this case consists of a list of statements > or a series of commands (which can be stored anywhere.) The example > section on the page show several types of "statementlists". > From DunbarX at aol.com Wed May 26 15:19:24 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:19:24 EDT Subject: Phantom Table field Message-ID: <5b855.5e9d2c91.392ece3c@aol.com> I have played around with table fields, but wonder where any information about them exists. The user manual barely mentions them. I see it is a single, (sort of) list field with management to permit text entry into "cells". I cannot for the life of me trap any of the keyup/down or rawKeyup/down messages. These work as advertised in ordinary fields. Since it acts sort of like a 2D list field, if I write a mouseUp handler to get info on the selectedChunk, say, I get an expression referring to a field number greater than the number of fields on the card. In other words, the number of the table field is 5, and I get a chunk expression like "char 1 to 4 of field 6". Where is this phantom field? Craig Newman From coiin at verizon.net Wed May 26 15:25:41 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:25:41 -0400 Subject: Phantom Table field In-Reply-To: <5b855.5e9d2c91.392ece3c@aol.com> References: <5b855.5e9d2c91.392ece3c@aol.com> Message-ID: <0502458E-D864-4A09-8F83-AF954BA47DB0@verizon.net> I wonder if the bit on managing table fields here would help?: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution_didacticiels&l=en From DunbarX at aol.com Wed May 26 15:44:24 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:44:24 EDT Subject: Phantom Table field Message-ID: <5cf7a.4fd08dce.392ed418@aol.com> Hi, Colin. Help? If only this site covered every topic I wouldn't miss Mr. Goodman so much. Thank you. Craig In a message dated 5/26/10 3:25:50 PM, coiin at verizon.net writes: > http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution_didacticiels&l=en > From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Wed May 26 15:44:56 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 05:44:56 +1000 Subject: Datagrid border colour setting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26/05/10 8:18 PM, "zryip theSlug" wrote: > 2010/5/26 Terry Judd > >> On 26/05/10 6:08 PM, "zryip theSlug" wrote: >> >>> 2010/5/26 Terry Judd >>> >>>> Does anyone know if there is a setting to change the border colour (both >>>> the >>>> header and the 'body') of a datagrid? Trevor? >>> >>> Hi Terry, >>> >>> A Data Grid is a group, so you can change its color like other group. >>> >>> Example: >>> set the borderColor of grp "myDataGrid" to red >>> >> Hey thanks - that's a good start but doesn't pickup the bottom border of >> the >> header. >> >> Terry... > > Ok, as far as I know there is no standard function for doing that in the > Data Grid. > > So a solution consists to set the object color directly by code. > The name of the bottom header of a data grid is: "dgHeaderBottomBorder" > > put "red" into tTheColor > > set the bordercolor of grp "myDataGrid" to tTheColor > put the long id of group "dgHeaderMask" of group "dgHeaderComponents" of > grp "myDataGrid" into theHeaderGroup > set the foregroundColor of grc "dgHeaderBottomBorder" of theHeaderGroup > to tTheColor > > Regards, OK, thanks for sniffing out the relevant object for me. Might be nice to have to be able to set this via the property inspector along with all the other datagrid colour properties. Cheers, Terry... From DunbarX at aol.com Wed May 26 15:45:01 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:45:01 EDT Subject: Phantom Table field Message-ID: <5d023.666f4ef7.392ed43d@aol.com> Still not sure about that phantom field, though. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Wed May 26 15:54:29 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: revWeb - revlet - examples please In-Reply-To: <4BF860C0.9000806@ucsd.edu> References: <4BF860C0.9000806@ucsd.edu> Message-ID: <1274903669579-2232252.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Rick, These are links to the revlets that i have published in these mail list: http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test01.html http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test02.html http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test03.html http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test04.html http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test05.html You could present them as part of "works in progress" :-D Revlets test01 and test02 ask for permission to use your disk, because they save or export a pdf, svg or adobe ilustrator file. (currently, these plain simple svg files open using Inkscape, not Firefox). I used the following stack in my design classes to teach about RGB and CMYK: http://capellan2000.000space.com/RGB_CMYK/test.html This is a test in spanish created by a friend of mine (using a template that i give him) for his computer classes. http://capellan2000.000space.com/examen.html He told me that this test is largely unfinished and needs to correct ortography and wording of selection items. I believe that he had to change his images to reduce the stack size and check in detail the importance of every question. But the point, about this exam is that when you enter the page, it ask for permissions to use the network and write files to your disk. Effectively, when you finish this (still incomplete) exam, the stack ask you to save the results in your hard disk. I have two more visually rich stacks that i plan to convert to revlets: Japanese Syllabaries and Qubic. You should check Scott Rossi's messages in this list, because he posted some really cool revlets. Rick, if you need to check the stacks from which these revlets where made i could post links in the list. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/revWeb-revlet-examples-please-tp2227516p2232252.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed May 26 16:03:10 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 16:03:10 -0400 Subject: Datagrid border colour setting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DF1E09C-D22F-47F1-A0F1-2DF7E01B8283@mangomultimedia.com> On May 25, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Terry Judd wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a setting to change the border colour > (both the > header and the 'body') of a datagrid? Trevor? set the dgProps["border color"] of the data grid to a color. This property isn't in the docs but I will add it in. The getProp isn't hooked up for it either but I've addressed that for 4.5. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From capellan2000 at gmail.com Wed May 26 16:20:37 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 13:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Galaga 1990 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1274905237473-2232288.post@n4.nabble.com> This is a really interesting topic because this is similar to my first question to Scott Raney after i bought Metacard... Geoff Canyon Rev wrote: > > Since the enemies' paths are pre-determined in this method, you can > determine whether a particular shot will hit an enemy at the time the > shot is fired. And vice versa, whether an enemy that you are planning > the route for will intersect any of the current shots on the screen. > It requires a bit of work, but it's (much) better than checking each > time you move the ship to see whether any of the shots have hit any of > the enemies. > How could you change the image of the ship while executing a move command to reflect that the ship received a hit from the player? After the player hit the ship, Could you delete this ship while executing this move command? Thanks in advance! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Galaga-1990-tp2230572p2232288.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 26 16:38:28 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:38:28 -0500 Subject: Phantom Table field In-Reply-To: <5b855.5e9d2c91.392ece3c@aol.com> References: <5b855.5e9d2c91.392ece3c@aol.com> Message-ID: <4BFD86C4.9000606@hyperactivesw.com> DunbarX at aol.com wrote: > I have played around with table fields, but wonder where any information > about them exists. The user manual barely mentions them. I see it is a single, > (sort of) list field with management to permit text entry into "cells". > > I cannot for the life of me trap any of the keyup/down or rawKeyup/down > messages. These work as advertised in ordinary fields. > > Since it acts sort of like a 2D list field, if I write a mouseUp handler to > get info on the selectedChunk, say, I get an expression referring to a > field number greater than the number of fields on the card. In other words, the > number of the table field is 5, and I get a chunk expression like "char 1 to > 4 of field 6". Where is this phantom field? Rev puts up a cell-sized field over the clicked "cell" so that you can edit the contents. When you are done editing, Rev puts the new content back into the relevant item chunk in the field and removes its own field. The field is temporary. The reason you can't retrieve any click/selected/text chunking info is because Rev is trapping all that in order to process the text and pop it into its editing field. If you don't use the cRevTable cells option in the inspector, none of that will happen and you can manage the field text and trap selections normally. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 26 16:42:23 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:42:23 -0500 Subject: Hard CASE: cracking the nut? In-Reply-To: <4BFD72A6.5050301@comcast.net> References: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> <4BFD62AA.2010104@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD68D4.4070203@gmail.com> <4BFD7143.2050405@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD72A6.5050301@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BFD87AF.5030906@hyperactivesw.com> Marty Knapp wrote: > I've been running into the 10-statement script limit issue myself. Is > there a way to put a script into a field or custom property and execute > it without a "do" command? If so, could someone offer an example? In my > current scenario, speed is not a big issue. That depends on what you need to do. If you need to create new scripts with new functionality on the fly then you'll need to stay within the 10 line limit. But most of the time, you can substitute backscripts, behaviors, or custom functions and handlers that accept passed parameters to do whatever you need. If you can say a little more about what you need to accomplish we can probably help better. There's not much that really requires dynamic scripting. Post your dynamic script for us to look at, maybe? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed May 26 16:43:25 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 13:43:25 -0700 Subject: Galaga 1990 In-Reply-To: <1274905237473-2232288.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Recently, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > How could you change the image of the > ship while executing a move command > to reflect that the ship received a hit > from the player? If you're using an image, set the text of the moving image to the text of your "exploding" image or similar. > After the player hit the ship, Could you > delete this ship while executing this > move command? Yes. Just tried both actions on an image moving across a card and they appear to work as expected (Rev 4 OS X). Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From capellan2000 at gmail.com Wed May 26 16:49:01 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 13:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: revLet: dynamic resizing when browser window resizes In-Reply-To: References: <1274551441265-2227342.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1274906941470-2232322.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi David, David Bovill-5 wrote: > > >> Have you created such handlers to manage >> proportionally position and dimensions of >> controls in a card? > > Yes - I totally obsessive about it. Pretty well all the prototyping I do > is > with views that scale to the view port. I've always hated fixed width > views > and web sites - for completely unreasonable reasons. So all my groups have > resize handlers and I can script the equivalent of "put that group in that > rectangle of that card or group" - with a resize handler on preopencard > you > get what you are describing. > Did you think to publish them in a stack or as a library? I believe that the keyword that made possible this kind of code is: "view port". Thinking of the Graphic User interface as a viewport is conceptually the opposite of the usual method of working in this platform. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/revLet-dynamic-resizing-when-browser-window-resizes-tp2225370p2232322.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Wed May 26 17:00:23 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 23:00:23 +0200 Subject: Datagrid border colour setting? In-Reply-To: <9DF1E09C-D22F-47F1-A0F1-2DF7E01B8283@mangomultimedia.com> References: <9DF1E09C-D22F-47F1-A0F1-2DF7E01B8283@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: 2010/5/26 Trevor DeVore > On May 25, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Terry Judd wrote: > > Does anyone know if there is a setting to change the border colour (both >> the >> header and the 'body') of a datagrid? Trevor? >> > > set the dgProps["border color"] of the data grid to a color. This property > isn't in the docs but I will add it in. The getProp isn't hooked up for it > either but I've addressed that for 4.5. Hum, I missed this one, thanks Trevor ;) To a complement to the column divider color can you add also the header divider color, please? TIA -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed May 26 17:12:46 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 17:12:46 -0400 Subject: Datagrid border colour setting? In-Reply-To: References: <9DF1E09C-D22F-47F1-A0F1-2DF7E01B8283@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <429E53A9-10B1-4E3A-BA8F-47F70FDF39E1@mangomultimedia.com> On May 26, 2010, at 5:00 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: > To a complement to the column divider color can you add also the > header > divider color, please? I don't know if this is in the 4.0 release but the 4.5 version has "header divider color" and "header divider threed color". -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From zryip.theslug at gmail.com Wed May 26 17:32:27 2010 From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 23:32:27 +0200 Subject: Datagrid border colour setting? In-Reply-To: <429E53A9-10B1-4E3A-BA8F-47F70FDF39E1@mangomultimedia.com> References: <9DF1E09C-D22F-47F1-A0F1-2DF7E01B8283@mangomultimedia.com> <429E53A9-10B1-4E3A-BA8F-47F70FDF39E1@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: 2010/5/26 Trevor DeVore > On May 26, 2010, at 5:00 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: > > To a complement to the column divider color can you add also the header >> divider color, please? >> > > I don't know if this is in the 4.0 release but the 4.5 version has "header > divider color" and "header divider threed color". This property is also in the 4.0 release. I'm using actually it with the 4.5 dp2. But if I not missed something in the doc, this property is not referenced. May be it's time, as the "border color" property, to give it a place in the doc, no? 8-) -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Wed May 26 18:39:46 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:39:46 +1000 Subject: Datagrid border colour setting? In-Reply-To: <9DF1E09C-D22F-47F1-A0F1-2DF7E01B8283@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: On 27/05/10 6:03 AM, "Trevor DeVore" wrote: > On May 25, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Terry Judd wrote: > >> Does anyone know if there is a setting to change the border colour >> (both the >> header and the 'body') of a datagrid? Trevor? > > set the dgProps["border color"] of the data grid to a color. This > property isn't in the docs but I will add it in. The getProp isn't > hooked up for it either but I've addressed that for 4.5. Excellent! Terry... From mstuart at adaptcrm.com Wed May 26 18:43:51 2010 From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:43:51 -0700 Subject: Detecting which column was clicked in a Table field Message-ID: on 5/26/2010, Jacqueline wrote: >> Something like this: put word 4 of the clickchunk into tCharNum subtract (the number of chars in line 1 to \ (word 2 of the clickline)-1 of me) +1 from tCharNum set the itemdel to tab put the number of items in char 1 to tCharNum of the value of the clickLine << Hi, I tried your script and it worked as is, but not as planned. When clicking in the white space of a column, it returns the number 4. When clicking on the text of a column, a number is returned. But when clicking in the far left column, it returns 0 (zero). So I changed the clickChunk to mouseCharChunk and that worked better. It returned a value when clicking in the white space 'inside' the values in the row. Clicking to the far left or far right of the row value text returns nothing. I did notice that So Smart Software has a tutorial on Table fields, which shows how to get the row number and column number from the field custom props. But the table field's lockText property has to be false, allowing editing. Having it set to true does not return a value :( So far I haven't found a bullet proof solution, but will continue to work on it and let you know. Anybody else got ideas on this? Regards, Mark Stuart From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed May 26 18:53:43 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 17:53:43 -0500 Subject: Detecting which column was clicked in a Table field In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BFDA677.7010605@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Stuart wrote: > on 5/26/2010, Jacqueline wrote: > Something like this: > put word 4 of the clickchunk into tCharNum > subtract (the number of chars in line 1 to \ > (word 2 of the clickline)-1 of me) +1 from tCharNum > set the itemdel to tab > put the number of items in char 1 to tCharNum of the value of the > clickLine > << > > Hi, > I tried your script and it worked as is, but not as planned. > When clicking in the white space of a column, it returns the number 4. > When clicking on the text of a column, a number is returned. > But when clicking in the far left column, it returns 0 (zero). That's technically correct because there aren't any items before the text starts. You could put in a single exception for that special case: if tNumber < 1 then put 1 into tNumber. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From sundown at pacifier.com Wed May 26 18:56:37 2010 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:56:37 -0700 Subject: Detecting which column was clicked in a Table field In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dynamic Table Field will tell you where you clicked. It is posted in the old section of On-Rev under the user sundown. -=>JB<=- On May 26, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Mark Stuart wrote: > on 5/26/2010, Jacqueline wrote: >>> > Something like this: > put word 4 of the clickchunk into tCharNum > subtract (the number of chars in line 1 to \ > (word 2 of the clickline)-1 of me) +1 from tCharNum > set the itemdel to tab > put the number of items in char 1 to tCharNum of the value of the > clickLine > << > > Hi, > I tried your script and it worked as is, but not as planned. > When clicking in the white space of a column, it returns the number 4. > When clicking on the text of a column, a number is returned. > But when clicking in the far left column, it returns 0 (zero). > > So I changed the clickChunk to mouseCharChunk and that worked > better. It > returned a value when clicking in the white space 'inside' the > values in > the row. Clicking to the far left or far right of the row value text > returns nothing. > > I did notice that So Smart Software has a tutorial on Table fields, > which shows how to get the row number and column number from the field > custom props. But the table field's lockText property has to be false, > allowing editing. Having it set to true does not return a value :( > > So far I haven't found a bullet proof solution, but will continue to > work on it and let you know. > > Anybody else got ideas on this? > > Regards, > Mark Stuart > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From herz at ucsd.edu Wed May 26 19:36:57 2010 From: herz at ucsd.edu (Richard K. Herz) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 16:36:57 -0700 Subject: revWeb - revlet - examples please In-Reply-To: <20100526202032.1DF892889B8@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100526202032.1DF892889B8@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4BFDB099.2040400@ucsd.edu> Thank you Pierre - I've added your link to my list. Pierre Sahores wrote: > Here is one more, a simple secret sentence game. The revlet is getting its contents from an on-rev mysql db. > > > > Best, > > Pierre > From sundown at pacifier.com Wed May 26 19:46:13 2010 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 16:46:13 -0700 Subject: Detecting which column was clicked in a Table field In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17795A11-53FA-4DDC-9FC7-246EB7E08DDD@pacifier.com> I haven't really been following this thread and read it quick before sending a reply. After reading it seems you want to be able to click on white space and get the column. To click on white space and get the column number you can use Dynamic Table Field and then COMAND CLICK. This will show a dialog that provides row and item numbers. The item number will be the column. It you click on text without holding down the command key it will provide you with the row and item numbers. All of the code is in the field. -=>JB<=- On May 26, 2010, at 3:56 PM, -= JB =- wrote: > Dynamic Table Field will tell you where you clicked. It is posted > in the old section of On-Rev under the user sundown. > > -=>JB<=- > > > > On May 26, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Mark Stuart wrote: > >> on 5/26/2010, Jacqueline wrote: >>>> >> Something like this: >> put word 4 of the clickchunk into tCharNum >> subtract (the number of chars in line 1 to \ >> (word 2 of the clickline)-1 of me) +1 from tCharNum >> set the itemdel to tab >> put the number of items in char 1 to tCharNum of the value of the >> clickLine >> << >> >> Hi, >> I tried your script and it worked as is, but not as planned. >> When clicking in the white space of a column, it returns the >> number 4. >> When clicking on the text of a column, a number is returned. >> But when clicking in the far left column, it returns 0 (zero). >> >> So I changed the clickChunk to mouseCharChunk and that worked >> better. It >> returned a value when clicking in the white space 'inside' the >> values in >> the row. Clicking to the far left or far right of the row value text >> returns nothing. >> >> I did notice that So Smart Software has a tutorial on Table fields, >> which shows how to get the row number and column number from the >> field >> custom props. But the table field's lockText property has to be >> false, >> allowing editing. Having it set to true does not return a value :( >> >> So far I haven't found a bullet proof solution, but will continue to >> work on it and let you know. >> >> Anybody else got ideas on this? >> >> Regards, >> Mark Stuart >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From alex at tweedly.net Wed May 26 19:52:51 2010 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 00:52:51 +0100 Subject: How to deal with unplug from the LAN In-Reply-To: <4BFD5752.4020701@hindu.org> References: <93436164-5FBE-48D7-B27A-46C9B006308E@numericable.com> <9D60481D-F2DF-43F9-8196-C645707EAFD9@twft.com> <4BFD5752.4020701@hindu.org> Message-ID: <4BFDB453.4010509@tweedly.net> Hmmm ... looks like you may have a problem with copy/paste in creating this email. in "connectionStatus" the first if ...then...else cluae will *always* cause a return, so the check for Airport never gets used. I suspect the original code did the Airport check first, then the Ethernet one - that would have been OK. In general, can there not be more than one ethernet interface installed - so why not check if *any* interface of the form"enx" ihas status active. e.g. (typed direct into email - beware typos) ... set the itemdel to ":" repeat for each line L in tStatus if char 1 to 2 of L = "en" & char 3 to -1 of (item 1 of L) is a number then put lineOffset (L,tStatus) into tTarget put line ((lineOffset ("Status:",tStatus,tTarget))+tTarget) of tStatus into tENstatus if (item -1 of tENstatus) = " active" then return "true" end if end repeat return 'false' -- Alex. On 26/05/2010 18:16, Web Admin Himalayan Academy wrote: > With a tip from Andre, we solved this problem... it's really pretty > neat. Perhaps someone else may need this. > > Mac Only > > This queries the hardware-network interface and give you and instant > response... if the users just unplugs from the network or turns of her > airport, with a remote volume mounted... you want to be sure you don't > try to interact with the server...otherwise you will get a 2 minute > time out waiting before the system gives back the CPU to RunRev.... > > Do this first: (disclaimer, any code I offer probably could be highly > optimized) > > function connectionStatus > > put shell("ifconfig") into tStatus > > # Parse for ethernet status > put lineOffset ("en0:",tStatus) into tTarget > put line ((lineOffset ("Status:",tStatus,tTarget))+tTarget) of > tStatus into tEN0status > set the itemdel to ":" > if (item -1 of tEN0status) = " active" then > return "true" > else > return "false" > end if > > # Check Airport-Wireless status > put lineOffset ("en1:",tStatus) into tTarget > put line ((lineOffset ("Status",tStatus,tTarget))+tTarget) of > tStatus into tEN1status > set the itemdel to ":" > if item -1of tEN1status = " active" then > return "true" > end if > end connectionstatus > > Then all other places you need to interact with the server: > > command CheckVarunaIsMounted > if connectionStatus() <> "True" then > answer "You appear to be offline line. Connect to the network by > ethernet or airport. Then try again." with "OK" > exit to top > else > put URL > "file:/Volumes/Varuna/WWW/*Sites/varuna.hindu.org/ping.txt" into > gControlFile > if gControlFile = "true" then > set the icon of btn "Connected" to 1097 > put "true" into gVarunaMounted > set the uVarunaMounted of this stack to "true" > else > put "false" into gVarunaMounted > set the uVarunaMounted of this stack to "False" > set the icon of btn "Connected" to 1098 > answer "Varuna is not mounted. Shall I mount it for you?" > with "OK" > mountVaruna > exit to top > end if > end if > > end CheckVarunaIsMounted > > command Checkin pFileName > > CheckVarunaIsMounted > > if the uVarunaMounted of this stack <> "true" then > answer "Sorry, Varuna is not mounted, you cannot check in > files." with "OK" > exit to top > end if > > # increment revision number; change co to CI; retain user initials; > rename local file > put pFileName into tNewFileName > > etc... > > end checkIn > > Then I always run this every time I set the default folder to the > server, when done getting the file listing: > > command unTetherStackFromServer > set the defaultFolder to ($Home&"/Documents/") > end unTetherStackFromServer > > and then the user gets no msg saying he can't unmount the volume > because it is in use by RunRev. > > HTH somebody... > > > Sivakatirswami > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From niconiko at gmail.com Wed May 26 21:32:53 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:32:53 +0900 Subject: never ending scroll? Message-ID: Hello, I'm trying to simulate the iphone's scroll-wheel, and am wondering how to recreate its never-endingness effect (i.e., the vertical list of items returns to its first item when its last item is reached). All I could think of so far is to use a scrollable field, but whose scroll action is handled by button script rather than directly through the field's scrollbar. Any ideas? Thanks. -- Nicolas Cueto From martyknapp at comcast.net Wed May 26 21:42:59 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:42:59 -0700 Subject: Hard CASE: cracking the nut? In-Reply-To: <4BFD87AF.5030906@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> <4BFD62AA.2010104@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD68D4.4070203@gmail.com> <4BFD7143.2050405@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD72A6.5050301@comcast.net> <4BFD87AF.5030906@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4BFDCE23.1090601@comcast.net> What I have is a standalone that contains template stacks from which a user creates their own stacks. These stacks are saved outside of the standalone. I wanted to institute an updating feature, where the user's stack version is compared to the template (which may have had revisions from being updated) on launch and if needed to have the standalone copy the scripts from the template into the user stack, rather than making them create a new stack. But if any of these scripts exceed the 10 statement limit it will not work. So I stripped the template stack of as much code as I could, which also minimizes the need for updating in the first place :) But this user stack needs access to the standalone stacks and scripts to function properly, so now I've found that if the user launches the standalone by double-clicking their stack, that once in a while the stacks/scripts it needs are not available and I get errors when the user stack loads. Not always, but probably 1 in 10 times. I've tried a number of routines to check for this, but these routines need to be in the user stack and I run into the 10 statement limit . . . I hope that's understandable! Marty > Marty Knapp wrote: >> I've been running into the 10-statement script limit issue myself. Is >> there a way to put a script into a field or custom property and >> execute it without a "do" command? If so, could someone offer an >> example? In my current scenario, speed is not a big issue. > > That depends on what you need to do. If you need to create new scripts > with new functionality on the fly then you'll need to stay within the > 10 line limit. But most of the time, you can substitute backscripts, > behaviors, or custom functions and handlers that accept passed > parameters to do whatever you need. > > If you can say a little more about what you need to accomplish we can > probably help better. There's not much that really requires dynamic > scripting. > > Post your dynamic script for us to look at, maybe? > From jmyepes at mac.com Wed May 26 22:17:46 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 19:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Error go to card 1 of stack from a Menupick Message-ID: <1274926666193-2232529.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi List, I have a strange error when I call a "go to card 3 of stack XXXXX". The stack is opened and the card showed but some errors are throw, one at line 0 the the openstack and other at line 5 of the menupick, just in the switch line. I paste the error. Error: 361 Target: card id 31507 of stack "/Users/joss/Desktop/ps_glx_v1/beta/1.0.2rc70/Beta/MacOS/MainGLX.app/Contents/MacOS/components/s_main_productos_v1.rev" 361,0,0 361,0,0 90,9,22 449,9,7,575 535,9,1,575 253,6,1 241,6,1,Openstack 353,0,0,card id 31507 of stack "/Users/joss/Desktop/ps_glx_v1/beta/1.0.2rc70/Beta/MacOS/MainGLX.app/Contents/MacOS/components/s_main_productos_v1.rev" Any idea or tip that I must know... :( Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Error-go-to-card-1-of-stack-from-a-Menupick-tp2232529p2232529.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed May 26 23:56:56 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:56:56 -0700 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? Message-ID: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> The weird world gets weirder: Microsoft's Steve Ballmer to Present During WWDC 2010 Keynote? Barrons reports that one analyst is predicting that Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer will be part of Steve Jobs' WWDC Keynote presentation. According to Trip Chowdhry, an analyst with tiny Global Equities Research, 7 minutes of Steve Jobs' keynote is allotted for Microsoft. Microsoft will reportedly be talking about their development tool Visual Studio 2010. The new version of Visual Studio will reportedly allow developers to write native applications for the iPhone, iPad and Mac OS. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu May 27 01:42:48 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:42:48 +0300 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4BFE0658.7000009@gmail.com> On 27/05/2010 06:56, Richard Gaskin wrote: > The weird world gets weirder: > > > Microsoft's Steve Ballmer to Present During WWDC 2010 Keynote? > > Barrons reports that one analyst is predicting that Microsoft > CEO Steve Ballmer will be part of Steve Jobs' WWDC Keynote > presentation. > > According to Trip Chowdhry, an analyst with tiny Global Equities > Research, 7 minutes of Steve Jobs' keynote is allotted for > Microsoft. Microsoft will reportedly be talking about their > development tool Visual Studio 2010. The new version of Visual > Studio will reportedly allow developers to write native > applications for the iPhone, iPad and Mac OS. > > > > Or, the world gets 'smellier'. Methinks Jobs had cut some sort of deal with Microsoft way before he cocked a snook at Adobe. The fast that ballmer will be presenting at the WWDC means that Jobs is going to get a slice of the pie from the version of Visual Studio for iPhone, iPad et al, while he would not have got a brass farthing from Adobe. Or, maybe, the 2 Steves are in love; mind you, sharing a bed with an iPhone and an iPad could be a bit lumpy . . . :) Let's at least hope the new Visual Studio is 100 times better than the awful MS Visual Basic 5 I had to learn at the University of Abertay: the only purpose that served was to make me realise how wonderful RunRev was by comparison! From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Thu May 27 03:15:36 2010 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:15:36 +0100 Subject: OT Bulgaria In-Reply-To: <20100523170004.C57122882FA@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100523170004.C57122882FA@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <5DB5C695-D36F-4148-BB35-C506A37BF725@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk> On 23 May 2010, at 6:00 pm, Richmond wrote: > This IS Bulgaria; or, as an American friend once put it; "I love Bulgaria, it allows me to > experience the same sort of thrills my ancestors experienced in Texas in the middle of the > 19th century." Have you seen that film "Wild Wild West"; a sort of steam-punk America > through distorting glasses? The problem about "Wild Wild East" is that one is unable to > remove the distorting glasses. This caused me to have another Bulgarian flashback. I was staying in Burgas in a block of flats (apartments) on about the 8th floor back in the days of communism, when I heard the distant but unmistakable whine of a dot matrix printer. I realised it came from a room on the same floor, so I balcony hopped round (I was young, fit and stupid) and peeped in the window. It was a room empty but for about 15 C64 machines all doing stuff, windows open, because of the heat. Almost anywhere else that would have been unremarkable, but I never saw any other digital equipment, in private hands, hospitals or University. It was like coming across a showroom full of sportscars, or a supermarket with a good range of products in it. Whatever it was going on, it had to be state business, which meant security. What was I thinking? David Glasgow From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu May 27 04:33:51 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:33:51 +0200 Subject: Error go to card 1 of stack from a Menupick In-Reply-To: <1274926666193-2232529.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1274926666193-2232529.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Josep, Are you sure that your error is complete? It seems to me that a few numbers are missing at the start of the list. Do you still get an error if you temporarily disable any (pre)openstack handlers? It would be useful if you posted the entire script that causes the error. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 27 mei 2010, at 04:17, JosepM wrote: > > Hi List, > > I have a strange error when I call a "go to card 3 of stack XXXXX". > The stack is opened and the card showed but some errors are throw, > one at > line 0 the the openstack and other at line 5 of the menupick, just > in the > switch line. > > I paste the error. > > Error: 361 > Target: card id 31507 of stack > "/Users/joss/Desktop/ps_glx_v1/beta/1.0.2rc70/Beta/MacOS/MainGLX.app/ > Contents/MacOS/components/s_main_productos_v1.rev" > > 361,0,0 > 361,0,0 > 90,9,22 > 449,9,7,575 > 535,9,1,575 > 253,6,1 > 241,6,1,Openstack > 353,0,0,card id 31507 of stack > "/Users/joss/Desktop/ps_glx_v1/beta/1.0.2rc70/Beta/MacOS/MainGLX.app/ > Contents/MacOS/components/s_main_productos_v1.rev" > > > Any idea or tip that I must know... :( > > Salut, > Josep From th.douez at sunnyrevcode.com Thu May 27 05:36:06 2010 From: th.douez at sunnyrevcode.com (Thierry D.) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:36:06 +0200 Subject: destroystack wrong behavior... In-Reply-To: <01a701caf816$1dfa1ca0$59ee55e0$@com> References: <20100518095407.526F9288307@mail.runrev.com> <01a701caf816$1dfa1ca0$59ee55e0$@com> Message-ID: <95AA3308-C9AB-4A70-B9B9-E90C124AD2D5@sunnyrevcode.com> Hi all, Thanks to all for your suggestions. I've found a solution to this question. not sure if it is completely resolved, but seems to work quite well. So, better share in the hope it will help few of you... I've changed the filename of my stack, that's it ! then the name and the filename properties are different, which was not the case before. I leave the explanations to the IDE gurus :) ps: running the stack with "Suspend Development Tools" on, was also working before. Regards, Thierry From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Thu May 27 05:41:09 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:41:09 +1000 Subject: [Datagrid] Truncating items In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is it my imagination or is there some automatic way of truncating items that are too long to fully display within a column that replaces the extra characters with an ellipsis? Terry... From revolution at derbrill.de Thu May 27 07:48:21 2010 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:48:21 +0200 Subject: [Datagrid] Truncating items In-Reply-To: <20100526202032.9FB402889C1@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100526202032.9FB402889C1@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: You can do that using a column behavior. Would be easiest with a monospaced font of course, as then you would know exactly how many chars you could display. Otherwise, check the formattedwidth of the displaying field. Hope that gets you started, malte From jmyepes at mac.com Thu May 27 07:59:41 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 04:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Error go to card 1 of stack from a Menupick In-Reply-To: References: <1274926666193-2232529.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1274961581905-2232977.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Mark, I guess that error is complete... The code on the card 3, no preopenstack, only openstack. on Openstack Global tLine put the menuHistory of btn "opt_search_supplier" of card 3 into tLine put "0 records found." into fld lbl_status of card 3 set the uUTF8Text of fld f_buscar_supplier of card 3 to empty ## Establecer tama?o del stack y centrar if the environment is not "development" then set the resizable of me to false set the height of me to 575 set the width of this stack to 865 set the loc of this stack to the screenLoc else set the resizable of me to true end if uiNewSupplier uiRefreshSupplierList end Openstack The code on the menu. on menuPick pChosen replace "..." with empty in pChosen --set the lockMessages to true switch pChosen case "Items" put glxapp_getProp("executable folder") & "/components/" & "s_main_productos_v1.rev" into tStackName go to card 1 of stack tStackName break case "Suppliers" put glxapp_getProp("executable folder") & "/components/" & "s_main_productos_v1.rev" into tStackName go to card 3 of stack tStackName break end switch --set the lockMessages to false end menuPick -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Error-go-to-card-1-of-stack-from-a-Menupick-tp2232529p2232977.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu May 27 08:13:12 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:13:12 +0200 Subject: Error go to card 1 of stack from a Menupick In-Reply-To: <1274961581905-2232977.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1274926666193-2232529.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274961581905-2232977.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7DF6571F-C87D-41A1-88EC-5179A7B9E937@economy-x-talk.com> Josep, Do you still get an error if you temporarily disable the openstack handler? I.e. if only the menuPick handle runs? I used http://runrev.info/error.html to parse your error. The beginning of the error report is: Type: Object (can't set this property) Object name: script Line:(row 0 col 0) Hint: Apparently, there is a problem with a property being set. If the script you posted is indeed a card script, then it will throw an error at set the resizable of me to true because cards don't have a resizable property. You need to replace "me" with "this stack". Don't forget to make the same changes in the part of your script that runs in a standalone only. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 27 mei 2010, at 13:59, JosepM wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > I guess that error is complete... > > The code on the card 3, no preopenstack, only openstack. > > on Openstack > > Global tLine > put the menuHistory of btn "opt_search_supplier" of card 3 into > tLine > > put "0 records found." into fld lbl_status of card 3 > set the uUTF8Text of fld f_buscar_supplier of card 3 to empty > > ## Establecer tama?o del stack y centrar > if the environment is not "development" then > set the resizable of me to false > set the height of me to 575 > set the width of this stack to 865 > set the loc of this stack to the screenLoc > else > set the resizable of me to true > end if > > uiNewSupplier > uiRefreshSupplierList > > end Openstack > > The code on the menu. > > on menuPick pChosen > replace "..." with empty in pChosen > > --set the lockMessages to true > switch pChosen > case "Items" > put glxapp_getProp("executable folder") & "/components/" & > "s_main_productos_v1.rev" into tStackName > go to card 1 of stack tStackName > break > case "Suppliers" > put glxapp_getProp("executable folder") & "/components/" & > "s_main_productos_v1.rev" into tStackName > go to card 3 of stack tStackName > break > > end switch > --set the lockMessages to false > end menuPick From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu May 27 08:34:23 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:34:23 +0100 Subject: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler? Message-ID: <0324D22B-8D11-4D80-B9B1-B9134795CB42@azurevision.co.uk> I remember that one of the recent(ish) versions of Runrev introduced handlers that sit inside handlers and can only be called from within that handler, but what's the proper name so that I can look up how to use them? Thanks in advance, Ian From phil at liverpool.ac.uk Thu May 27 08:36:57 2010 From: phil at liverpool.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:36:57 +0100 Subject: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler? In-Reply-To: <0324D22B-8D11-4D80-B9B1-B9134795CB42@azurevision.co.uk> References: <0324D22B-8D11-4D80-B9B1-B9134795CB42@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: I think the term you're looking for is "private" e.g. private function xx On 27 May 2010, at 13:34, Ian Wood wrote: > I remember that one of the recent(ish) versions of Runrev introduced > handlers that sit inside handlers and can only be called from within > that handler, but what's the proper name so that I can look up how to > use them? > > Thanks in advance, > > Ian > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Phil Jimmieson phil at liverpool.ac.uk Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton Street Liverpool L69 3BX http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/ I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this ointment. From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu May 27 08:44:56 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:44:56 +0100 Subject: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler? In-Reply-To: References: <0324D22B-8D11-4D80-B9B1-B9134795CB42@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <6B2B84F8-DA69-42C9-86C5-44EB7237B9E8@azurevision.co.uk> No, that keeps it local to the object that contains the handler. I *think* I'm talking about one handler nested inside another one. Thanks, Ian On 27 May 2010, at 13:36, Phil Jimmieson wrote: > I think the term you're looking for is "private" e.g. > > private function xx > > > On 27 May 2010, at 13:34, Ian Wood wrote: > >> I remember that one of the recent(ish) versions of Runrev introduced >> handlers that sit inside handlers and can only be called from within >> that handler, but what's the proper name so that I can look up how to >> use them? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Ian >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- > Phil Jimmieson phil at liverpool.ac.uk > Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, > Ashton Street > Liverpool L69 3BX http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/ > I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this > ointment. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu May 27 08:57:59 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 05:57:59 -0700 Subject: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler? Message-ID: <4BFE6C57.3050805@fourthworld.com> Ian Wood wrote: > I remember that one of the recent(ish) versions of Runrev introduced > handlers that sit inside handlers and can only be called from within > that handler, but what's the proper name so that I can look up how to > use them? In other languages like JavaScript and Scheme that sort of thing is referred to as a closure - here's an example from Wikipedia: // Return a list of all books with at least 'threshold' copies sold. function bestSellingBooks(threshold) { return bookList.filter( function (book) { return book.sales >= threshold; } ); } But I don't know of a way to even emulate closures in RevTalk (though it might be handy at times if we could). The Engine Change Log included with the install covers changes back to v3.0, and I don't see anything there like this. Can you recall more details about the feature you're thinking of? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu May 27 09:03:08 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:03:08 +0100 Subject: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler? In-Reply-To: <4BFE6C57.3050805@fourthworld.com> References: <4BFE6C57.3050805@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On 27 May 2010, at 13:57, Richard Gaskin wrote: > But I don't know of a way to even emulate closures in RevTalk > (though it might be handy at times if we could). > > The Engine Change Log included with the install covers changes back > to v3.0, and I don't see anything there like this. > > Can you recall more details about the feature you're thinking of? Sounds like I was getting garbled, in that case. Oops. Ian From andre at andregarzia.com Thu May 27 09:17:22 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:17:22 -0300 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: <4BFE0658.7000009@gmail.com> References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> <4BFE0658.7000009@gmail.com> Message-ID: If Apple allows VS made apps in the App Store I will be pissed! On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Richmond Mathewson < richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote: > On 27/05/2010 06:56, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> The weird world gets weirder: >> >> >> Microsoft's Steve Ballmer to Present During WWDC 2010 Keynote? >> >> Barrons reports that one analyst is predicting that Microsoft >> CEO Steve Ballmer will be part of Steve Jobs' WWDC Keynote >> presentation. >> >> According to Trip Chowdhry, an analyst with tiny Global Equities >> Research, 7 minutes of Steve Jobs' keynote is allotted for >> Microsoft. Microsoft will reportedly be talking about their >> development tool Visual Studio 2010. The new version of Visual >> Studio will reportedly allow developers to write native >> applications for the iPhone, iPad and Mac OS. >> >> < >> http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/26/microsofts-steve-ballmer-to-present-during-wwdc-2010-keynote/> >> >> >> > Or, the world gets 'smellier'. > > Methinks Jobs had cut some sort of deal with Microsoft way before he cocked > a snook > at Adobe. The fast that ballmer will be presenting at the WWDC means that > Jobs is going > to get a slice of the pie from the version of Visual Studio for iPhone, > iPad et al, while > he would not have got a brass farthing from Adobe. > > Or, maybe, the 2 Steves are in love; mind you, sharing a bed with an iPhone > and an iPad > could be a bit lumpy . . . :) > > Let's at least hope the new Visual Studio is 100 times better than the > awful MS Visual Basic 5 > I had to learn at the University of Abertay: the only purpose that served > was to make me realise > how wonderful RunRev was by comparison! > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From pmbrig at gmail.com Thu May 27 09:25:48 2010 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:25:48 -0400 Subject: Detecting which column was clicked in a Table field In-Reply-To: <4BFDA677.7010605@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BFDA677.7010605@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <14DCBD39-C10E-43A4-910D-E0A7171DA706@gmail.com> I found that the best way to get a column number is to use item 1 of the clickloc, subtract the left of the field to get the relative x- value for the click in the field (you may have to also correct for the borderwidth of the field)), then compare with the tabstops. This always gives the accurate column number no matter whether you click on white space or text. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On May 26, 2010, at 6:53 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Mark Stuart wrote: >> on 5/26/2010, Jacqueline wrote: >> Something like this: >> put word 4 of the clickchunk into tCharNum >> subtract (the number of chars in line 1 to \ >> (word 2 of the clickline)-1 of me) +1 from tCharNum >> set the itemdel to tab >> put the number of items in char 1 to tCharNum of the value of the >> clickLine >> << >> Hi, >> I tried your script and it worked as is, but not as planned. >> When clicking in the white space of a column, it returns the number >> 4. >> When clicking on the text of a column, a number is returned. >> But when clicking in the far left column, it returns 0 (zero). > > That's technically correct because there aren't any items before the > text starts. You could put in a single exception for that special > case: if tNumber < 1 then put 1 into tNumber. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jim at d-film.com Thu May 27 09:44:25 2010 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:44:25 -0400 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> <4BFE0658.7000009@gmail.com> Message-ID: Doesn't xCode already recognize C code? How difficult would it be for MS to make VS2010 Objective-C capable? Probably not very. From DunbarX at aol.com Thu May 27 10:55:45 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:55:45 EDT Subject: Phantom Table field Message-ID: <83996.6cf2836e.392fe1f1@aol.com> Good ol' Jacques. Thanks. Makes perfect sense. It is the inner workings that I am interested in. Never occurred to me that such shenanigans were going on behind the scenes, but given that a data grid is actually dozens of objects all roped together, why not? Craig In a message dated 5/26/10 4:38:31 PM, jacque at hyperactivesw.com writes: > > Rev puts up a cell-sized field over the clicked "cell" so that you can > edit the contents. When you are done editing, Rev puts the new content > back into the relevant item chunk in the field and removes its own > field. The field is temporary. The reason you can't retrieve any > click/selected/text chunking info is because Rev is trapping all that in > order to process the text and pop it into its editing field. > > If you don't use the cRevTable cells option in the inspector, none of > that will happen and you can manage the field text and trap selections > normally. > From lists at mangomultimedia.com Thu May 27 11:02:07 2010 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:02:07 -0400 Subject: [Datagrid] Truncating items In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6577AE40-99BE-461C-B66A-234B4AE2FF68@mangomultimedia.com> On May 27, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Terry Judd wrote: > Is it my imagination or is there some automatic way of truncating > items that > are too long to fully display within a column that replaces the extra > characters with an ellipsis? This lesson has an example showing how to truncate text. The Data Grid has a built-in command called TruncateTail. http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7327-How-Do-I-Override-the-Default-Behavior-For-Rendering-Data-to-a-Cell- -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From andre at andregarzia.com Thu May 27 10:34:12 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:34:12 -0300 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> <4BFE0658.7000009@gmail.com> Message-ID: jim, The language is not the problem, the problem is the surrounding frameworks. creating a objective-c thing for VS is relativelly easy, the hard part is the Cocoa/CocoaTouch stuff. Now, if they reimplemented everything in VS making VS some kind of XCode alternative for windows user, then it is one thing, now, if they are doing the other way around and cross compiling from VS to iPhone App, then it is basically what RunRev was doing and that jobs said we can't... let us wait and see... I bet it is not that but they will offer some kind of iWork Mobile integration for office... On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Jim Kanter wrote: > Doesn't xCode already recognize C code? How difficult would it be for > MS to make VS2010 Objective-C capable? Probably not very. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From nealk3nc at gmail.com Thu May 27 11:07:40 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:07:40 -0400 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> <4BFE0658.7000009@gmail.com> Message-ID: I personally am betting on some sort of web technology a la ComponentOne's iPhone web product. Its inconceivable that Apple would shun flash but sign up for dot net which is just another virtualization technology that would threaten Apple control. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software From DunbarX at aol.com Thu May 27 11:10:16 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:10:16 EDT Subject: never ending scroll? Message-ID: <847e7.54dab113.392fe558@aol.com> The field's scrollbar is usually understood as an absolute indicator. When it is up, so should the scroll, when down, the same. The wheel has no such indication as to its relationship with the scrolling object. So I think you should create a "wheel" of some sort that you operate. A "little arrows" would do, I guess. Then it is easy to create a "closed loop" of data as it passes through a field based on the action of your wheel thingie. You just keep appending as you go (Hmmm. Can one "depend" when you go the other way?) Craig Newman From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 27 11:16:08 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:16:08 -0700 Subject: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler? In-Reply-To: <0324D22B-8D11-4D80-B9B1-B9134795CB42@azurevision.co.uk> References: <0324D22B-8D11-4D80-B9B1-B9134795CB42@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: Recursion? On 27 May 2010 05:34, Ian Wood wrote: > I remember that one of the recent(ish) versions of Runrev introduced > handlers that sit inside handlers and can only be called from within that > handler, but what's the proper name so that I can look up how to use them? > > Thanks in advance, > > Ian > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From rjb at robelko.com Thu May 27 11:26:47 2010 From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:26:47 +0200 Subject: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler? In-Reply-To: <6B2B84F8-DA69-42C9-86C5-44EB7237B9E8@azurevision.co.uk> References: <0324D22B-8D11-4D80-B9B1-B9134795CB42@azurevision.co.uk> <6B2B84F8-DA69-42C9-86C5-44EB7237B9E8@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: On 27.05.2010 at 13:44 Uhr +0100 Ian Wood apparently wrote: >No, that keeps it local to the object that contains the handler. I >*think* I'm talking about one handler nested inside another one. > >Thanks, > >Ian Would you mean behaviours? Robert From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu May 27 11:47:33 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:47:33 -0700 Subject: Reverse Intersect In-Reply-To: <9CDDE28E-3464-4AF1-9E66-595A972B5791@twft.com> References: <18405D3A-F8EB-44B5-B3AA-D1BB86BEEA7D@twft.com> <24-709425656.20100525151828@ahsoftware.net> <9CDDE28E-3464-4AF1-9E66-595A972B5791@twft.com> Message-ID: <6-560063500.20100527084733@ahsoftware.net> Bob- Here's another idea: IIRC you've got a remote MySQL database and a local SQLite database. How about converting the local one to MySQL and then you could issue a single SQL query joining the two databases? Seems like that would simplify things, cut down on the amount of data transferred, and let you work with smaller recordsets... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From DunbarX at aol.com Thu May 27 11:56:47 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:56:47 EDT Subject: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler? Message-ID: <87514.28632b07.392ff03f@aol.com> I have never seen a handler nested inside another. It would mean; on soAndSo on doThis end doThis end soAndSo There must be a semantic misunderstanding here. Perhaps what is meant is a handler call: on soAndSo doThis end soAnd So One might say that a handler sort of lives inside another. Craig Newman In a message dated 5/27/10 11:35:27 AM, rjb at robelko.com writes: > No, that keeps it local to the object that contains the handler. I > >*think* I'm talking about one handler nested inside another one. > From mstuart at adaptcrm.com Thu May 27 11:57:20 2010 From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:57:20 -0700 Subject: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler? Message-ID: Ian, Can't a function call within a Handler do what you are wanting? Regards, Mark Stuart Ian Wood wrote: > I remember that one of the recent(ish) versions of Runrev introduced > handlers that sit inside handlers and can only be called from within > that handler, but what's the proper name so that I can look up how to > use them? In other languages like JavaScript and Scheme that sort of thing is referred to as a closure - here's an example from Wikipedia: // Return a list of all books with at least 'threshold' copies sold. function bestSellingBooks(threshold) { return bookList.filter( function (book) { return book.sales >= threshold; } ); } But I don't know of a way to even emulate closures in RevTalk (though it might be handy at times if we could). From massung at gmail.com Thu May 27 12:15:51 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:15:51 -0500 Subject: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Mark Stuart wrote: > > In other languages like JavaScript and Scheme that sort of thing is > referred to as a closure - here's an example from Wikipedia: > > // Return a list of all books with at least 'threshold' copies sold. > function bestSellingBooks(threshold) { > return bookList.filter( > function (book) { return book.sales >= threshold; } > ); > } > > This is what's known as a lexical closure. It's a first-class function that's created on the fly and whose data is bound to a lexical environment. Difficult to explain, but very powerful, and Rev does not have support for them. Very few languages do (think Lisp, Scheme, JavaScript, and probably a dozen others), but the count is growing. Many languages that claim closures actually don't support them, but simulate them functionally (which is very different). But that's another discussion outside this scope. You should ask yourself if you really need this feature to accomplish your end-goal. Most likely the answer is "no," even if it might make things easier for you. What exactly is it you want to do? I'm sure you'll get a plethora of suggestions from people here itching to solve a problem and write some code in Rev. ;-) Jeff M. From psahores at free.fr Thu May 27 12:48:39 2010 From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:48:39 +0200 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: "Pourquoi pr?f?rer les allumettes quand deux cailloux suffisent..." Apple = Microsoft = Cr?nes d'Huitres ;-/ Best, Pierre Le 27 mai 2010 ? 05:56, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > The weird world gets weirder: > > > Microsoft's Steve Ballmer to Present During WWDC 2010 Keynote? > > Barrons reports that one analyst is predicting that Microsoft > CEO Steve Ballmer will be part of Steve Jobs' WWDC Keynote > presentation. > > According to Trip Chowdhry, an analyst with tiny Global Equities > Research, 7 minutes of Steve Jobs' keynote is allotted for > Microsoft. Microsoft will reportedly be talking about their > development tool Visual Studio 2010. The new version of Visual > Studio will reportedly allow developers to write native > applications for the iPhone, iPad and Mac OS. > > > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.woooooooords.com www.sahores-conseil.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 27 12:53:42 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:53:42 -0700 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Dogs and Cats living together. Harumph. On 27 May 2010 09:48, Pierre Sahores wrote: > "Pourquoi pr?f?rer les allumettes quand deux cailloux suffisent..." > > Apple = Microsoft = Cr?nes d'Huitres ;-/ > > Best, Pierre > > Le 27 mai 2010 ? 05:56, Richard Gaskin a ?crit : > > > The weird world gets weirder: > > > > > > Microsoft's Steve Ballmer to Present During WWDC 2010 Keynote? > > > > Barrons reports that one analyst is predicting that Microsoft > > CEO Steve Ballmer will be part of Steve Jobs' WWDC Keynote > > presentation. > > > > According to Trip Chowdhry, an analyst with tiny Global Equities > > Research, 7 minutes of Steve Jobs' keynote is allotted for > > Microsoft. Microsoft will reportedly be talking about their > > development tool Visual Studio 2010. The new version of Visual > > Studio will reportedly allow developers to write native > > applications for the iPhone, iPad and Mac OS. > > > > < > http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/26/microsofts-steve-ballmer-to-present-during-wwdc-2010-keynote/ > > > > > > > > -- > > Richard Gaskin > > Fourth World > > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > -- > Pierre Sahores > mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 > > www.woooooooords.com > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Thu May 27 13:11:11 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:11:11 -0700 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: > to-present-during-wwdc-2010-keynote/> That is weird, and raises some interesting questions - Does this mean .net for Mac, iP*? Would this also provide additional food to a federal investigation? MS previously announced that Windows Phone 7 would only support MS tools and Silverlight. Or maybe this means Silverlight on iPhone? Does this mean MS employees no longer have to hide their iPhones in Redmond? ;-) Lets see, lining up: Apple Adobe Microsoft Google Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com From mstuart at adaptcrm.com Thu May 27 13:29:17 2010 From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:29:17 -0700 Subject: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler? Message-ID: Jeff M. wrote: >> ...I'm sure you'll get a plethora of suggestions from people here itching to solve a problem and write some code in Rev, ;-) << YES! That's what I like about RunRev and this forum. It inspires people. Thanx for your explanation of all this Jeff. Now I will ask my VS .NET 2010 guy if he knows about this. -Mark Stuart From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu May 27 13:54:55 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:54:55 +0300 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4BFEB1EF.2010306@gmail.com> On 27/05/2010 20:11, Lynn Fredricks wrote: >> > to-present-during-wwdc-2010-keynote/> > That is weird, and raises some interesting questions - > > Does this mean .net for Mac, iP*? > > Would this also provide additional food to a federal investigation? MS > previously announced that Windows Phone 7 would only support MS tools and > Silverlight. Or maybe this means Silverlight on iPhone? > > Does this mean MS employees no longer have to hide their iPhones in Redmond? > ;-) > > Lets see, lining up: > > Apple Adobe > Microsoft Google > and guess who gets 'squished': we do, and, maybe so does the efforts of our favourite software developer to keep up with developments. Remember "Clash of the Titans"? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_the_Titans_(1981_film) From jmyepes at mac.com Thu May 27 13:59:32 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Error go to card 1 of stack from a Menupick In-Reply-To: <7DF6571F-C87D-41A1-88EC-5179A7B9E937@economy-x-talk.com> References: <1274926666193-2232529.post@n4.nabble.com> <1274961581905-2232977.post@n4.nabble.com> <7DF6571F-C87D-41A1-88EC-5179A7B9E937@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <1274983172936-2233547.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Mark, >Do you still get an error if you temporarily disable the openstack >handler? I.e. if only the menuPick handle runs? Yes, I get the same error only in standalone, in IDE all run fine.... I changed the "me" for "this stack" and I get the same error... I don't know what happen... Seems that the error is in the card 1 and related to the datagrid, some value is not a integer... :( I have modified the FillData in the datagrid of the card 1 but this work fine. Any idea? I need solve this asap... Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Error-go-to-card-1-of-stack-from-a-Menupick-tp2232529p2233547.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From effendi at wanadoo.fr Thu May 27 14:12:18 2010 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:12:18 +0200 Subject: Avoiding Global Variables Message-ID: <4DFB2441-84A8-4D00-9AC2-6CAD12715889@wanadoo.fr> Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Thanks for your "Update and News" concerning "Avoiding Global Variables". Very instructive, not covered in the "Doc". Progress is a series of monumental ***k-ups ! Even after years of RunRev, we can still learn ! Keep up the good work ! -Francis From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu May 27 14:22:02 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:22:02 -0400 Subject: never ending scroll? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nicolas, Most of the iPhone's scroll-wheels are linked to tables and the tables are lazily loaded (via reusable cells) at runtime. Most of the scroll-wheels I have seen stop at the top or bottom of the content that it is trying to scroll. Where or what are you referring to? (To better understand the action you are looking for.) In a different project I have an iPhone scrolling window and not a table that still lazily loads it's views from a reusable view in the same way as the cells are reused in a table with scroll-wheel. So, The scrolling windows in my case can wrap around to the beginning if the view or cell is lazily loaded when needed. Maybe there is a way to lazily load content or fields IN groups in RR to emulate that. I would look at a group that has a scroll-wheel and see if items can be deleted from one side (hidden from view) and loaded on the other side (hidden from view) based on the scroll position. Let us know, Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today? http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com DeMoted on the iTune App Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8 On May 26, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to simulate the iphone's scroll-wheel, and am wondering how > to recreate its never-endingness effect (i.e., the vertical list of > items returns to its first item when its last item is reached). > > All I could think of so far is to use a scrollable field, but whose > scroll action is handled by button script rather than directly through > the field's scrollbar. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu May 27 14:26:15 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:26:15 -0400 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: <4BFE0658.7000009@gmail.com> References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> <4BFE0658.7000009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3FF5809F-98A4-4AD3-9CDD-920E605126F6@mac.com> I fell asleep reading my iPad the other night and woke up laying on half of it and I can definitely say it was not lumpy. It was flat and hard, and uncomfortable but not lumpy. This was probably due to the anti-lumpy app I had installed. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net On May 27, 2010, at 1:42 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Or, maybe, the 2 Steves are in love; mind you, sharing a bed with an iPhone and an iPad > could be a bit lumpy . . . :) From tuvman at gmail.com Thu May 27 14:31:08 2010 From: tuvman at gmail.com (Tuviah Snyder) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:31:08 -0400 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? Message-ID: I'll bet 500 dollars this won't happen. As a long time professional windows and mac developer I'm infuriated by these nonsense posts and hypothetical scenerios. Its not true because 1. VS2010 is already released. It was in beta for many many months and then delayed. MS doesn't just surprise developers with one more thing. 2. Do you have any freaking idea of the work it would take to get objective-c and cocoa working in vs. And then MS will have to constantly update with any Apple change. 3. MS is pushing managed languages. 4. how would you test an app..I'm sure MS wants to encourage developers to buy Macs and iphones 5. why would MS spend all that effort trying to kick windows and windows mobile 7 in the nuts. Wasn't vista and windows mobile bad enough. 6. No one seems to be paying attention to what steve says. A clear No means no. He hates cross platform compilers. So if your dreaming of ways this could be true that also means no silverlight. But maybe I'm wrong and ballmer really wants to see if Bill has the guts to fire him. I should start a blog and say Santa and the easter bunny will be at WWDC and see if that gets me on slashdot. best, Tuviah > > > > > > > > > Microsoft's Steve Ballmer to Present During WWDC 2010 Keynote? > > > > > > Barrons reports that one analyst is predicting that Microsoft > > > CEO Steve Ballmer will be part of Steve Jobs' WWDC Keynote > > > presentation. > > > > > > According to Trip Chowdhry, an analyst with tiny Global Equities > > > Research, 7 minutes of Steve Jobs' keynote is allotted for > > > Microsoft. Microsoft will reportedly be talking about their > > > development tool Visual Studio 2010. The new version of Visual > > > Studio will reportedly allow developers to write native > > > applications for the iPhone, iPad and Mac OS. > > > > > > < > > > http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/26/microsofts-steve-ballmer-to-present-during-wwdc-2010-keynote/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Richard Gaskin > > > Fourth World > > > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > > > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > > > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > -- > > Pierre Sahores > > mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 > > > > www.woooooooords.com > > www.sahores-conseil.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > ------------------------- > Stephen Barncard > San Francisco > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bobs at twft.com Thu May 27 14:33:52 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:33:52 -0700 Subject: Reverse Intersect In-Reply-To: <6-560063500.20100527084733@ahsoftware.net> References: <18405D3A-F8EB-44B5-B3AA-D1BB86BEEA7D@twft.com> <24-709425656.20100525151828@ahsoftware.net> <9CDDE28E-3464-4AF1-9E66-595A972B5791@twft.com> <6-560063500.20100527084733@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <42220F26-2248-4976-8849-E9C7CEBCC1BB@twft.com> Hi Mark. That would work too I suppose. I thought about it, but remember that I want this method to be portable, that is I want it to work no matter what two databases are used, and no matter what the amount of data is. Importing a HUGE mySQL database every sync cycle would not be efficient. And once the sync occurs for the first time, the actual amount of data I will need to import is minimal. Trevor found an issue with sqlYoga where named database objects were reloading the database schema every time a call was made using the object. He has fixed that so speeds using sqlYoga are not noticeably any slower than the native Rev API calls. Thanks again Trevor for getting right on that. Because of that my paging method is working really well in conjunction with sqlYoga. My next big hurdle is issuing one query that will update multiple records at a time. I know with SQL I can separate multiple commands with the semi-colon. But I think I read somewhere that I cannot pass a semi-colon to the Rev API, which will mean I will have to update records one at a time. I hope that is not the case, because that will make any method I use with Rev unscalable for large databases. I will have to experiment on that today. Bob On May 27, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Bob- > > Here's another idea: IIRC you've got a remote MySQL database and a > local SQLite database. How about converting the local one to MySQL and > then you could issue a single SQL query joining the two databases? > Seems like that would simplify things, cut down on the amount of data > transferred, and let you work with smaller recordsets... > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Thu May 27 14:35:05 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:35:05 -0700 Subject: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler? In-Reply-To: <6B2B84F8-DA69-42C9-86C5-44EB7237B9E8@azurevision.co.uk> References: <0324D22B-8D11-4D80-B9B1-B9134795CB42@azurevision.co.uk> <6B2B84F8-DA69-42C9-86C5-44EB7237B9E8@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: Can you even do that?? I don't think you can. Bob On May 27, 2010, at 5:44 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > No, that keeps it local to the object that contains the handler. I *think* I'm talking about one handler nested inside another one. > > Thanks, > > Ian From bobs at twft.com Thu May 27 14:40:57 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:40:57 -0700 Subject: Error go to card 1 of stack from a Menupick In-Reply-To: <1274926666193-2232529.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1274926666193-2232529.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: I will bet that Openstack is getting sent to your calling stack, but now the new stack is the focus, and it does not contain the object you are referencing in the calling stack. I've been bit in the butt by this before. What I usually do is check to see if the short name of this stack is the mainstack of me. If it is I execute the code for that particular stack. If not I pass openStack. Bob On May 26, 2010, at 7:17 PM, JosepM wrote: > > Hi List, > > I have a strange error when I call a "go to card 3 of stack XXXXX". > The stack is opened and the card showed but some errors are throw, one at > line 0 the the openstack and other at line 5 of the menupick, just in the > switch line. > > I paste the error. > > Error: 361 > Target: card id 31507 of stack > "/Users/joss/Desktop/ps_glx_v1/beta/1.0.2rc70/Beta/MacOS/MainGLX.app/Contents/MacOS/components/s_main_productos_v1.rev" > > 361,0,0 > 361,0,0 > 90,9,22 > 449,9,7,575 > 535,9,1,575 > 253,6,1 > 241,6,1,Openstack > 353,0,0,card id 31507 of stack > "/Users/joss/Desktop/ps_glx_v1/beta/1.0.2rc70/Beta/MacOS/MainGLX.app/Contents/MacOS/components/s_main_productos_v1.rev" > > > Any idea or tip that I must know... :( > > Salut, > Josep > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Error-go-to-card-1-of-stack-from-a-Menupick-tp2232529p2232529.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at verizon.net Thu May 27 14:42:03 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:42:03 -0400 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 27, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Tuviah Snyder wrote: > 1. VS2010 is already released. It was in beta for many many months and then > delayed. MS doesn't just surprise developers with one more thing. > You must be referring to the Windows version. I think a VS for Mac would be popular. > 2. Do you have any freaking idea of the work it would take to get > objective-c and cocoa working in vs. And then MS will have to constantly > update with any Apple change. C and C++ are permitted, so they could publish to iPhone without needing to use Objective-C. From coiin at verizon.net Thu May 27 14:43:31 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:43:31 -0400 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 27, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Tuviah Snyder wrote: > I'll bet 500 dollars this won't happen. It appears that Microsoft agrees with you: http://twitter.com/Microsoft/status/14850981422 From tuvman at gmail.com Thu May 27 14:43:39 2010 From: tuvman at gmail.com (Tuviah Snyder) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:43:39 -0400 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/05/27/microsoft-steve-ballmer-will-not-be-speaking-at-wwdc/ On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Tuviah Snyder wrote: > I'll bet 500 dollars this won't happen. > > As a long time professional windows and mac developer I'm infuriated by > these nonsense posts and hypothetical scenerios. > > Its not true because > > 1. VS2010 is already released. It was in beta for many many months and then > delayed. MS doesn't just surprise developers with one more thing. > > 2. Do you have any freaking idea of the work it would take to get > objective-c and cocoa working in vs. And then MS will have to constantly > update with any Apple change. > > 3. MS is pushing managed languages. > > 4. how would you test an app..I'm sure MS wants to encourage developers to > buy Macs and iphones > > 5. why would MS spend all that effort trying to kick windows and windows > mobile 7 in the nuts. Wasn't vista and windows mobile bad enough. > > 6. No one seems to be paying attention to what steve says. A clear No means > no. He hates cross platform compilers. So if your dreaming of ways this > could be true that also means no silverlight. > > But maybe I'm wrong and ballmer really wants to see if Bill has the guts to > fire him. I should start a blog and say Santa and the easter bunny will be > at WWDC and see if that gets me on slashdot. > > best, > Tuviah > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Microsoft's Steve Ballmer to Present During WWDC 2010 Keynote? >> > > >> > > Barrons reports that one analyst is predicting that Microsoft >> > > CEO Steve Ballmer will be part of Steve Jobs' WWDC Keynote >> > > presentation. >> > > >> > > According to Trip Chowdhry, an analyst with tiny Global Equities >> > > Research, 7 minutes of Steve Jobs' keynote is allotted for >> > > Microsoft. Microsoft will reportedly be talking about their >> > > development tool Visual Studio 2010. The new version of Visual >> > > Studio will reportedly allow developers to write native >> > > applications for the iPhone, iPad and Mac OS. >> > > >> > > < >> > >> http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/26/microsofts-steve-ballmer-to-present-during-wwdc-2010-keynote/ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Richard Gaskin >> > > Fourth World >> > > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >> > > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com >> > > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > use-revolution mailing list >> > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> > subscription preferences: >> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Pierre Sahores >> > mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 >> > >> > www.woooooooords.com >> > www.sahores-conseil.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-revolution mailing list >> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> > subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------- >> Stephen Barncard >> San Francisco >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > From bobs at twft.com Thu May 27 14:44:05 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:44:05 -0700 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: I quote: "At present, developers may only create iPhone and Mac OS applications from within Apple's own Xcode development suite which only runs on Macs." That is not strictly true. You can use any environment whose native language is either Javascript, ObjectiveC or C++. I am not sure there IS another environment that fits those restrictions, but technically if there were, you could. Bob On May 26, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > The weird world gets weirder: > > > Microsoft's Steve Ballmer to Present During WWDC 2010 Keynote? > > Barrons reports that one analyst is predicting that Microsoft > CEO Steve Ballmer will be part of Steve Jobs' WWDC Keynote > presentation. > > According to Trip Chowdhry, an analyst with tiny Global Equities > Research, 7 minutes of Steve Jobs' keynote is allotted for > Microsoft. Microsoft will reportedly be talking about their > development tool Visual Studio 2010. The new version of Visual > Studio will reportedly allow developers to write native > applications for the iPhone, iPad and Mac OS. > > > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bobs at twft.com Thu May 27 14:49:00 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:49:00 -0700 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <928DD5AB-97BF-4BA1-9193-C311C06EFAB3@twft.com> Wait! I thought Santa and the Easter Bunny were merely different spacial manifestations of the same alien? Bob On May 27, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Tuviah Snyder wrote: > But maybe I'm wrong and ballmer really wants to see if Bill has the guts to > fire him. I should start a blog and say Santa and the easter bunny will be > at WWDC and see if that gets me on slashdot. > > best, > Tuviah From massung at gmail.com Thu May 27 14:52:33 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:52:33 -0500 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: <928DD5AB-97BF-4BA1-9193-C311C06EFAB3@twft.com> References: <928DD5AB-97BF-4BA1-9193-C311C06EFAB3@twft.com> Message-ID: UGH! Please, prefix posts like this with **SPOILER ALERT**. My entire day was just ruined! ;-) Jeff M. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Wait! I thought Santa and the Easter Bunny were merely different spacial > manifestations of the same alien? > > Bob > > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu May 27 14:59:46 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:59:46 -0500 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: References: <928DD5AB-97BF-4BA1-9193-C311C06EFAB3@twft.com> Message-ID: <4BFEC122.4090206@hyperactivesw.com> Jeff Massung wrote: > UGH! Please, prefix posts like this with **SPOILER ALERT**. > > My entire day was just ruined! ;-) > > Jeff M. > > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> Wait! I thought Santa and the Easter Bunny were merely different spacial >> manifestations of the same alien? >> >> Bob We won't even mention the Tooth Fairy then. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu May 27 15:00:54 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:00:54 -0700 Subject: Reverse Intersect In-Reply-To: <42220F26-2248-4976-8849-E9C7CEBCC1BB@twft.com> References: <18405D3A-F8EB-44B5-B3AA-D1BB86BEEA7D@twft.com> <24-709425656.20100525151828@ahsoftware.net> <9CDDE28E-3464-4AF1-9E66-595A972B5791@twft.com> <6-560063500.20100527084733@ahsoftware.net> <42220F26-2248-4976-8849-E9C7CEBCC1BB@twft.com> Message-ID: perhaps COMMIT and ROLLBACK for multiple transactions that may need to be undone. On 27 May 2010 11:33, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Hi Mark. > > That would work too I suppose. I thought about it, but remember that I want > this method to be portable, that is I want it to work no matter what two > databases are used, and no matter what the amount of data is. Importing a > HUGE mySQL database every sync cycle would not be efficient. And once the > sync occurs for the first time, the actual amount of data I will need to > import is minimal. > > Trevor found an issue with sqlYoga where named database objects were > reloading the database schema every time a call was made using the object. > He has fixed that so speeds using sqlYoga are not noticeably any slower than > the native Rev API calls. Thanks again Trevor for getting right on that. > > Because of that my paging method is working really well in conjunction with > sqlYoga. My next big hurdle is issuing one query that will update multiple > records at a time. I know with SQL I can separate multiple commands with the > semi-colon. But I think I read somewhere that I cannot pass a semi-colon to > the Rev API, which will mean I will have to update records one at a time. I > hope that is not the case, because that will make any method I use with Rev > unscalable for large databases. I will have to experiment on that today. > > Bob > > > On May 27, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > > Bob- > > > > Here's another idea: IIRC you've got a remote MySQL database and a > > local SQLite database. How about converting the local one to MySQL and > > then you could issue a single SQL query joining the two databases? > > Seems like that would simplify things, cut down on the amount of data > > transferred, and let you work with smaller recordsets... > > > > -- > > -Mark Wieder > > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Thu May 27 15:00:52 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:00:52 -0700 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9FA046FC927A4FBABFC1149C8E68789E@GATEWAY> > http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/05/27/microsoft-steve-ballmer > -will-not-be-speaking-at-wwdc/ No monkey-boy dance for iPhone developers... Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Thu May 27 15:04:34 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:04:34 -0700 Subject: OT: Jobs vs Gates Message-ID: <777EAB6B01FD4DC1AB355E56D22CE648@GATEWAY> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHO8l-Bd1O4 Sorry, can't help it... :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu May 27 15:10:30 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:10:30 -0500 Subject: Hard CASE: cracking the nut? In-Reply-To: <4BFDCE23.1090601@comcast.net> References: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> <4BFD62AA.2010104@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD68D4.4070203@gmail.com> <4BFD7143.2050405@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD72A6.5050301@comcast.net> <4BFD87AF.5030906@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFDCE23.1090601@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BFEC3A6.8040808@hyperactivesw.com> Marty Knapp wrote: > What I have is a standalone that contains template stacks from which a > user creates their own stacks. These stacks are saved outside of the > standalone. I wanted to institute an updating feature, where the user's > stack version is compared to the template (which may have had revisions > from being updated) on launch and if needed to have the standalone copy > the scripts from the template into the user stack, rather than making > them create a new stack. But if any of these scripts exceed the 10 > statement limit it will not work. So I stripped the template stack of as > much code as I could, which also minimizes the need for updating in the > first place :) > > But this user stack needs access to the standalone stacks and scripts to > function properly, so now I've found that if the user launches the > standalone by double-clicking their stack, that once in a while the > stacks/scripts it needs are not available and I get errors when the user > stack loads. Not always, but probably 1 in 10 times. I've tried a number > of routines to check for this, but these routines need to be in the user > stack and I run into the 10 statement limit . . . > > I hope that's understandable! Only sort of, I'm still a little confused. But basically when I have a system with templates, I put almost nothing in the template except very generic handler calls. I put all the actual, working handlers in the app's script, where I can change them without updating the templates. I'm not sure why your templates need to contain any updating code. They should just call a handler like "checkUpdates", which the main stack executes. It can then act on any stacks it needs to change (with the exception of long scripts, but if you use the generic approach to handlers, that shouldn't be a problem.) If your users double-click a stack to launch your app, your app will first get all the startup, preOpenStack, openStack etc. messages, and then will open the user stack. The mainstack's script should automatically be shared as a backscript, but if that isn't always happening you can specifically insert it on preOpenStack. That should clear up any issues your user stacks may have accessing the mainstack script. Also make sure the handlers in the user stack pass any necessary system messages if your mainstack needs to operate on those. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From rman at free.fr Thu May 27 15:10:33 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler? In-Reply-To: References: <0324D22B-8D11-4D80-B9B1-B9134795CB42@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <1274987433591-2233641.post@n4.nabble.com> > // Return a list of all books with at least 'threshold' copies sold. > function bestSellingBooks(threshold) { > return bookList.filter( > function (book) { return book.sales >= threshold; } > ); > } did I get it right?? as I understand it, the "closure" replaces a loop? Assuming the function book loops through the books? for the example I assume we have a pile of cards for each book... function bestSellingBooks threshold put the number of cards of stack books into numberOfBooks put empty into theResult for i = 1 to numberOfBooks put field theSales of card i into @iSales put booklistFilter (threshold, @sales) after theResult end loop return theResult end function function bookListFilter threshold, sales if sales > threshold then return sales &"," else return empty end function if that is right, yeak closure is more compact & elegant! but did I miss something? brainfade! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Brainfade-time-what-s-the-proper-name-for-a-local-handler-tp2233056p2233641.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From massung at gmail.com Thu May 27 15:30:35 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:30:35 -0500 Subject: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler? In-Reply-To: <1274987433591-2233641.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <0324D22B-8D11-4D80-B9B1-B9134795CB42@azurevision.co.uk> <1274987433591-2233641.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Robert Mann wrote: > > > // Return a list of all books with at least 'threshold' copies sold. > > function bestSellingBooks(threshold) { > > return bookList.filter( > > function (book) { return book.sales >= threshold; } > > ); > > } > > did I get it right?? as I understand it, the "closure" replaces a loop? > Assuming the function book loops through the books? > > Sort-of. The closure does not replace the loop. The closure is called by the loop. The loop is the filter function. Think of it like this (pseudo-code that does not work, but might be easier to read and get the idea across): function make_adder(N) return function (X) return N+X end end Now, we can do this: add_10 = make_adder(10) add_5 = make_adder(5) Then we can call them like so: add_10(20) = 30 add_5(4) = 9 Now, in your example, there's a function "filter" that takes a function (closure) as an argument. It expects that function to return true or false, and if true, it will keep the element, otherwise it will toss it. More pseudo-code written in RevTalk style: function filter tList, tFunction local tFilteredList repeat for each line tItem in tList if tFunction(tItem) is true then put tItem & cr after tFilteredList end if end repeat return tFilteredList end filter Now, with our function, we could (in theory) do something like so (in a field control): function filterBookByName tTitle -- only keep titles that start with an article if the first word of tTitle is among the items of "a,an,the" then return true end if end filterBookByName And we can pass our lovely filter function to and get rid of a bunch of books: put filter(fld "All Books", filterBookByName) into fld "Filtered Books" Obviously this is just for show to try and indicate how the original JavaScript might translate over into RevTalk conceptually. It doesn't work, it doesn't even come close to doing the exact same thing and can't since RevTalk doesn't support lexical environments. What I did above would be closer to what's known as a first-class function. Hope this helps some. Jeff M. From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Thu May 27 17:05:49 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:05:49 +1000 Subject: [Datagrid] Truncating items In-Reply-To: <6577AE40-99BE-461C-B66A-234B4AE2FF68@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: On 28/05/10 1:02 AM, "Trevor DeVore" wrote: > On May 27, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Terry Judd wrote: > >> Is it my imagination or is there some automatic way of truncating >> items that >> are too long to fully display within a column that replaces the extra >> characters with an ellipsis? > > This lesson has an example showing how to truncate text. The Data Grid > has a built-in command called TruncateTail. > > http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/7327-How-Do- > I-Override-the-Default-Behavior-For-Rendering-Data-to-a-Cell- That's it. Thanks Trevor. Terry... From gary_aitcheson at sbcglobal.net Thu May 27 17:10:51 2010 From: gary_aitcheson at sbcglobal.net (gary_aitcheson) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:10:51 -0500 Subject: How to "Dial" Using Rev ? Message-ID: <4BFEDFDB.1010400@sbcglobal.net> Thanks everyone for the useful feed back on this question ! I will free up some time to work on it and get back when I have a result (hopefully positive). Cheers : ) Gary From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu May 27 18:25:57 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 00:25:57 +0200 Subject: Writing to the resource fork Message-ID: Hi, For a new project, it is essential that I can read from and write to the resource fork of a file. I am not looking for a way to copy resource forks. I am trying to use the setResource function, but it doesn't work. I tried it with Rev 4.0 on Mac OS X 10.5 and Rev 2.6.1 on Mac OS 9.2.2. With both systems, I get the same result: the resource is created (including ID, name and flags, but the data are not written to it. On Mac OS X, contrary to what the documentation claims, the file isn't created automatically, if the file doesn't exist yet. Therefore, I create the file before writing the resource fork. Does anyone have a clue about what might be wrong with the following two lines? put empty into url "binfile:~/desktop/resource test.dat" get setresource("/Users/Mark/desktop/resource test.dat","MARK", 999,"Test","U","Hello World") Althought the serResource function doesn't work correctly for me, the getResource and getResources functions work fine on both systems. I tried to find a solution in the archives, but it looks like this function is rarely used. I need it though. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. From niconiko at gmail.com Thu May 27 18:56:45 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:56:45 +0900 Subject: never ending scroll? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, The scroll-wheel I've in mind is in the "Add alarm" section of the iPhone's "Clock". "Lazily loaded"? I guess I'm off to search that. In the meantime, I'd still welcome example scripts of something that'd do an endless scroll of text in a text field, rather than a group, a table, a window, etc. Cheers. -- Nicolas Cueto From niconiko at gmail.com Thu May 27 19:03:32 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:03:32 +0900 Subject: never ending scroll? In-Reply-To: <847e7.54dab113.392fe558@aol.com> References: <847e7.54dab113.392fe558@aol.com> Message-ID: Craig, > Then it is easy to create a "closed loop" of data as it passes through a > field based on the action of your wheel thingie. Easy? Sorry, I don't understand this sentence. > (Hmmm. Can one "depend" when you go the other way?) That'd be "prepend". Might not now about "closed loops" and "lazy loading", but that at least I do know. Anyway. I'd still welcome any easy script examples of, not the scroll action but, how to endlessly and seamlessly append/prepend scrollable data. Cheers. -- Nicolas Cueto From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu May 27 20:45:36 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:45:36 +0800 Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > 5 who bought iPads (well put their name on a list because the 3Gs were all > sold out) were all 60+ and some mentioned they had a Kindle and the main > purpose of the iPad purchase was to read. > > Just had another opportunity to pop into an Apple store, of the 3 people who came into pick up their iPads - they'd received their email giving them 24 hrs to collect - only 1 did, the other two declined, indicating that they'd decided to put their name down for a model with larger RAM. Times are tuff? From capellan2000 at gmail.com Thu May 27 22:05:38 2010 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Apad - The Andriod iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1275012338410-2233989.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Roger, Roger.E.Eller wrote: > > I am moments away from ordering this thing. I mean for $189 including > shipping, why not? > [snip] > http://www.apad.co.cc/BuyItNow.html > Here is a super low cost ($109) device, but it seems less responsive than > the one above. > http://www.euogo.com/7-inch-google-android-16-tablet-pc-umpc-mid-notebook-with-wifi_p229.html > Actually, if you could wait some months, look for devices that use advanced color displays like Qualcomm's Mirasol and outstanding battery life as a result of discoveries like this: http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24906/ Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apad-The-Andriod-iPad-tp2227568p2233989.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From DunbarX at aol.com Thu May 27 22:07:57 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:07:57 EDT Subject: never ending scroll? Message-ID: <2f586.65eef7c1.39307f7d@aol.com> Depend. I was joking. There is a "rotate" concept that takes "abcd" and makes "bcda" and then "cdab". When I say easy, I mean straightforward. Implementing in reality means all sorts of fun and frustrating machinations to get it just the way you want. But you seem to get that. But it should be, er, easy to display rotated data at a certain rate in the field. Just apprehend as needed. Probably best implemented as a function: on mouseStillDown put rotate(fld "yourField") into fld "yourField" wait a few ticks end mouseStillDown function rotate var put return & line 1 of var after var delete line 1 of var return var end repeat You need to do this backwards, as well, of course. This is not tested at all. There is no way I will be the first to send you a complete working script, as I am away from my computer, and you know what kind of people monitor this list. Just wait an hour or so. But you really should write this gadget yourself. Craig Newman From niconiko at gmail.com Thu May 27 22:44:55 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:44:55 +0900 Subject: never ending scroll? In-Reply-To: <2f586.65eef7c1.39307f7d@aol.com> References: <2f586.65eef7c1.39307f7d@aol.com> Message-ID: > But you really > should write this gadget yourself. Oh, I am, I am... Just taking a chance that someone posts something all nice and pat way before I finally get it done. And, as I struggle up the hill, new issues I hadn't thought of pop up. The latest: how to determine acceleration. So that the faster the user flicks the scroll-wheel, the more data gets whizzed by. Oh well. -- Nicolas Cueto From mcgrath3 at mac.com Thu May 27 22:57:37 2010 From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:57:37 -0400 Subject: never ending scroll? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D7B1947-C0F1-4151-BB7D-B0C64401B19D@mac.com> Nicolas, The clock application uses a specially made DatePicker object loosely based on a PickerView. xCode provides the DatePicker for use in projects and it has it's own settings for either Date & Time, Time, Date, and Timer which then populates the cells of the DatePicker. If I were to build something like the DatePicker in xCode (a custom picker) I would use the PickerView and provide it a dataSource with say 1 to 100 and then set it up so that the cells were both reusable and lazily loaded. That way when the Picker View gets to 96 (5 rows are displayed in a Date Picker) it is displaying 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, and when I scroll to 97 it will populate the last cell with 1 which used to be 100 and so on. Lazy loading only loads enough cells in this case to have them loaded just prior to viewing them on screen. The same would hold true going in the reverse. I think this would be possible but difficult with a text field using it's own scrollbar. Maybe it is more doable with a data Grid? I haven't played heavily with a DG yet. Maybe someone can chime in on this. For me, I still think a group is the way to go though and using "cells" made up of text fields. Load the data in the cells when needed and have 15 cells where only 5 are visible and keep adding a cell to the bottom of the list or top depending on which direction you are going in. Cheers, Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgrath at comcast.net I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us... http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com I Can Speak on the iPad Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8 DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today? http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com DeMoted on the iTune App Store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8 On May 27, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > Tom, > > The scroll-wheel I've in mind is in the "Add alarm" section of the > iPhone's "Clock". > > "Lazily loaded"? I guess I'm off to search that. > > In the meantime, I'd still welcome example scripts of something that'd > do an endless scroll of text in a text field, rather than a group, a > table, a window, etc. > > Cheers. > > -- > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From DunbarX at aol.com Thu May 27 23:22:56 2010 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 23:22:56 EDT Subject: never ending scroll? Message-ID: <274d4.7e2b4a14.39309110@aol.com> Hi. How does the user "flick"? With the mouse? Is the mouse down when you flick? If you use anything like what I suggested, you should be able to use the "mouseMove" function to determine flick speed, and set the speed of rotating the data based on that. Once you have a max start speed, you can reduce it gradually to 0. Amazing how the small details become large challenges. Craig Newman From pderocco at ix.netcom.com Thu May 27 23:39:28 2010 From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:39:28 -0700 Subject: Avoiding Global Variables In-Reply-To: <4DFB2441-84A8-4D00-9AC2-6CAD12715889@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: > From: Of Francis Nugent Dixon > > Hi from Beautiful Brittany, > > Thanks for your "Update and News" concerning > "Avoiding Global Variables". Where was this? -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu May 27 23:52:13 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:52:13 -0500 Subject: never ending scroll? In-Reply-To: References: <2f586.65eef7c1.39307f7d@aol.com> Message-ID: <4BFF3DED.8050303@hyperactivesw.com> Nicolas Cueto wrote: >> But you really >> should write this gadget yourself. > > Oh, I am, I am... Just taking a chance that someone posts something > all nice and pat way before I finally get it done. > > And, as I struggle up the hill, new issues I hadn't thought of pop up. > The latest: how to determine acceleration. So that the faster the user > flicks the scroll-wheel, the more data gets whizzed by. Scott Rossi has a nice acceleration script example on his web site, it works pretty well even though he labelled it alpha. Go here and look for "Ease": -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From gbojsza at gmail.com Fri May 28 00:04:10 2010 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:04:10 -0700 Subject: VLC and Rev Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone has done any work with VLC and Rev? If so, can you share your experiences! regards, Glen From davidocoker at gmail.com Fri May 28 00:24:03 2010 From: davidocoker at gmail.com (David C.) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 23:24:03 -0500 Subject: Avoiding Global Variables In-Reply-To: References: <4DFB2441-84A8-4D00-9AC2-6CAD12715889@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: >> Thanks for your "Update and News" concerning >> "Avoiding Global Variables". > > Where was this? > Here ya go: http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/may/issue93/newsletter3.php Best regards, David C. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri May 28 00:28:09 2010 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:28:09 +0800 Subject: OT: Jobs vs Gates In-Reply-To: <777EAB6B01FD4DC1AB355E56D22CE648@GATEWAY> References: <777EAB6B01FD4DC1AB355E56D22CE648@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Can't help but respond ;-) http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/26/technology/apple_microsoft/index.htm On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 3:04 AM, Lynn Fredricks < lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHO8l-Bd1O4 > > Sorry, can't help it... :-) > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > President > Proactive International, LLC > > - Because it is about who you know.(tm) > http://www.proactive-intl.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From scott at elementarysoftware.com Fri May 28 02:58:15 2010 From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 23:58:15 -0700 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <017A698E-84E0-414D-8C68-F0193A4A47DD@elementarysoftware.com> Hello Mark, I use setResource in an application (in several places) and it seems to work. I can't see an error in the script you posted. (I haven't ever used the "flaglist" feature, though.) Might giving the OS a short "breather" between creating the file and setting the resource, help? Scott Morrow Elementary Software (Now with 20% less chalk dust!) web http://elementarysoftware.com/ email scott at elementarysoftware.com office 1-800-360-734-4701 ------------------------------------------------------ On May 27, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi, > > For a new project, it is essential that I can read from and write to the resource fork of a file. I am not looking for a way to copy resource forks. > > I am trying to use the setResource function, but it doesn't work. I tried it with Rev 4.0 on Mac OS X 10.5 and Rev 2.6.1 on Mac OS 9.2.2. With both systems, I get the same result: the resource is created (including ID, name and flags, but the data are not written to it. > > On Mac OS X, contrary to what the documentation claims, the file isn't created automatically, if the file doesn't exist yet. Therefore, I create the file before writing the resource fork. > > Does anyone have a clue about what might be wrong with the following two lines? > > put empty into url "binfile:~/desktop/resource test.dat" > get setresource("/Users/Mark/desktop/resource test.dat","MARK",999,"Test","U","Hello World") > > Althought the serResource function doesn't work correctly for me, the getResource and getResources functions work fine on both systems. > > I tried to find a solution in the archives, but it looks like this function is rarely used. I need it though. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri May 28 03:37:30 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:37:30 +0200 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: <017A698E-84E0-414D-8C68-F0193A4A47DD@elementarysoftware.com> References: <017A698E-84E0-414D-8C68-F0193A4A47DD@elementarysoftware.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Scott, but a short delay in the script doesn't make a difference. I have noticed that I can write the entire resource fork at once using /path/to/file.ext/rsrc (note the additional /rsrc) but this doesn't let me set individual resources. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 28 mei 2010, at 08:58, Scott Morrow wrote: > Hello Mark, > > I use setResource in an application (in several places) and it seems > to work. I can't see an error in the script you posted. (I haven't > ever used the "flaglist" feature, though.) > > Might giving the OS a short "breather" between creating the file and > setting the resource, help? > > > Scott Morrow From viktoras at ekoinf.net Fri May 28 05:08:48 2010 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:08:48 +0100 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4BFF8820.6030605@ekoinf.net> damn... This clause has also excluded Pascal from the list of legitimate software development tools. http://wiki.freepascal.org/iPhone/iPod_development. Vik. Bob Sneidar wrote: > I quote: "At present, developers may only create iPhone and Mac OS applications from within Apple's own Xcode development suite which only runs on Macs." That is not strictly true. You can use any environment whose native language is either Javascript, ObjectiveC or C++. I am not sure there IS another environment that fits those restrictions, but technically if there were, you could. > > Bob > > > On May 26, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > >> The weird world gets weirder: >> >> >> Microsoft's Steve Ballmer to Present During WWDC 2010 Keynote? >> >> Barrons reports that one analyst is predicting that Microsoft >> CEO Steve Ballmer will be part of Steve Jobs' WWDC Keynote >> presentation. >> >> According to Trip Chowdhry, an analyst with tiny Global Equities >> Research, 7 minutes of Steve Jobs' keynote is allotted for >> Microsoft. Microsoft will reportedly be talking about their >> development tool Visual Studio 2010. The new version of Visual >> Studio will reportedly allow developers to write native >> applications for the iPhone, iPad and Mac OS. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World >> Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com >> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com >> revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From th.douez at gmail.com Fri May 28 05:12:34 2010 From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:12:34 +0200 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: References: <017A698E-84E0-414D-8C68-F0193A4A47DD@elementarysoftware.com> Message-ID: <82573990-0253-43E1-9C92-AB4EE40A18A7@sunnyrevtalk.com> Hi Mark, I just tried this in a Terminal : TdzMacBook:~ tdz$ echo "WEWEWEE" > x.txt TdzMacBook:~ tdz$ ls -l x.txt/rsrc -rw-r--r-- 1 tdz staff 0 28 mai 11:08 x.txt/rsrc TdzMacBook:~ tdz$ echo "ASDASDASDDADSASDASDASD" > x.txt/rsrc TdzMacBook:~ tdz$ ls -l x* -rw-r--r--@ 1 tdz staff 8 28 mai 11:09 x.txt TdzMacBook:~ tdz$ ls -l x.txt/rsrc -rw-r--r-- 1 tdz staff 23 28 mai 11:09 x.txt/rsrc TdzMacBook:~ tdz$ cat x.txt/rsrc ASDASDASDDADSASDASDASD TdzMacBook:~ tdz$ cat x.txt WEWEWEE If this is OK for you, you can use the shell() to do your job. HTH. Thierry > Thanks, Scott, but a short delay in the script doesn't make a difference. I have noticed that I can write the entire resource fork at once using /path/to/file.ext/rsrc (note the additional /rsrc) but this doesn't let me set individual resources. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > >> Hello Mark, >> >> I use setResource in an application (in several places) and it seems to work. I can't see an error in the script you posted. (I haven't ever used the "flaglist" feature, though.) >> >> Might giving the OS a short "breather" between creating the file and setting the resource, help? >> >> >> Scott Morrow From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri May 28 05:18:10 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:18:10 +0200 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: <82573990-0253-43E1-9C92-AB4EE40A18A7@sunnyrevtalk.com> References: <017A698E-84E0-414D-8C68-F0193A4A47DD@elementarysoftware.com> <82573990-0253-43E1-9C92-AB4EE40A18A7@sunnyrevtalk.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Thierry, >> I have noticed that I can write the entire resource fork at once >> using /path/to/file.ext/rsrc (note the additional /rsrc) but this >> doesn't let me set individual resources. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 28 mei 2010, at 11:12, Thierry wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I just tried this in a Terminal : > > TdzMacBook:~ tdz$ echo "WEWEWEE" > x.txt > > TdzMacBook:~ tdz$ ls -l x.txt/rsrc > -rw-r--r-- 1 tdz staff 0 28 mai 11:08 x.txt/rsrc > > TdzMacBook:~ tdz$ echo "ASDASDASDDADSASDASDASD" > x.txt/rsrc > > TdzMacBook:~ tdz$ ls -l x* > -rw-r--r--@ 1 tdz staff 8 28 mai 11:09 x.txt > > TdzMacBook:~ tdz$ ls -l x.txt/rsrc > -rw-r--r-- 1 tdz staff 23 28 mai 11:09 x.txt/rsrc > > TdzMacBook:~ tdz$ cat x.txt/rsrc > ASDASDASDDADSASDASDASD > > TdzMacBook:~ tdz$ cat x.txt > WEWEWEE > > > > If this is OK for you, you can use the shell() to do your job. > > HTH. > > Thierry From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com Fri May 28 05:46:53 2010 From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:46:53 +0200 Subject: VLC and Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd love to use the VLC video feutures (playback, recording, streaming and so on) from Revolution. However I do not know how to do it. In the year 2007 there was a thread about this ("OT: Quicktime Bundling ") in this list with many messages. Many people have been asking Runrev to use to the VLC engine for video playback. However, AFAIK, at the moment, we can rely on QT only. Using VLC form Revolution would be great, but I have not expereince on this. regards Paolo Mazza On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has done any work with VLC and Rev? > > If so, can you share your experiences! > > regards, > > Glen > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sims at ezpzapps.com Fri May 28 07:33:10 2010 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:33:10 +0200 Subject: VLC and Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A1E828C-0130-48B7-84E9-6765F8183EED@ezpzapps.com> > > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Glen Bojsza wrote: > >> I was wondering if anyone has done any work with VLC and Rev? >> >> If so, can you share your experiences! I just Googled VLC and scripting, there is a limited amount of scripting you can do with VLC but you can do somethings. The following is a combo of applescript and shell I found on Google. sims property timefromnow_time : date on run display dialog "Do you want the simpsons to end after a number of minutes?" buttons {"No", "Yes"} copy the result as list to {button} if button is "no" then do shell script "/Applications/VLC.app/Contents/MacOS/VLC /var/root/T.V.\\ Programs/The\\ Simpsons > /dev/null 2>&1 & echo $!" else if button is "yes" then display dialog "Do you want to Shutdown or Quit?" buttons {"Quit", "Shutdown"} copy the result as list to {button} if button is "Quit" then set quitresponse to display dialog "Number of minutes until Quit?" default answer "60" set timer to (text returned of the quitresponse) as number set timefromnow_time to (current date) + (timer * minutes) display dialog "The simpsons will quit in: " & timefromnow_time as string do shell script "/Applications/VLC.app/Contents/MacOS/VLC /var/root/T.V.\\ Programs/The\\ Simpsons > /dev/null 2>&1 & echo $!" set pid to the result do shell script "sleep " & (timer * minutes) as string do shell script "kill " & pid & "" else if button is "Shutdown" then set shutdownresponse to display dialog "Number of minutes until Shutdown?" default answer "60" set timer to (text returned of the shutdownresponse) as number set timefromnow_time to (current date) + (timer * minutes) display dialog "This computer will shut down at: " & timefromnow_time as string do shell script "/Applications/VLC.app/Contents/MacOS/VLC /var/root/T.V.\\ Programs/The\\ Simpsons > /dev/null 2>&1 & echo $!" do shell script "shutdown -h +" & timer as string & " Simpson shutdown" end if end if end run From jerry.daniels at me.com Fri May 28 07:58:41 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 06:58:41 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video Message-ID: <523B89B1-66FA-4D01-8929-D87B01B991CE@me.com> We have posted a video of the Rodeo development environment in action! Sarah Reichelt (co-creator of Rodeo) joins me in the video all the way from Queensland, Australia. This is a pretty big step for our little team. Here's the link: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-headed-for-pre-release-0 Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo: http://rodeoapps.com From luis at anachreon.co.uk Fri May 28 08:13:28 2010 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:13:28 +0100 Subject: VLC and Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BFFB368.8010900@anachreon.co.uk> Hiya, If you're ok to go through the Terminal/Shell, there are many commands you can use. Here's a couple of pointers: http://www.videolan.org/doc/vlc-user-guide/en/ch04.html http://wiki.videolan.org/VLC_command-line_help Cheers, Luis. On 28/05/2010 05:04, Glen Bojsza wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has done any work with VLC and Rev? > > If so, can you share your experiences! > > regards, > > Glen > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From bvlahos at mac.com Fri May 28 09:10:10 2010 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 06:10:10 -0700 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4777D4E0-98D3-4A93-B049-C8709FD38919@mac.com> I don't believe this for a minute. Here is a good analysis of why it won't happen. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/05/27/reality-check-microsoft-rumored-at-show-at-apples-wwdc-2010/#more-4321 Bill Vlahos _________________ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On May 26, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > The weird world gets weirder: > > > Microsoft's Steve Ballmer to Present During WWDC 2010 Keynote? > > Barrons reports that one analyst is predicting that Microsoft > CEO Steve Ballmer will be part of Steve Jobs' WWDC Keynote > presentation. > > According to Trip Chowdhry, an analyst with tiny Global Equities > Research, 7 minutes of Steve Jobs' keynote is allotted for > Microsoft. Microsoft will reportedly be talking about their > development tool Visual Studio 2010. The new version of Visual > Studio will reportedly allow developers to write native > applications for the iPhone, iPad and Mac OS. > > > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From gbojsza at gmail.com Fri May 28 09:23:59 2010 From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 06:23:59 -0700 Subject: VLC and Rev In-Reply-To: <4BFFB368.8010900@anachreon.co.uk> References: <4BFFB368.8010900@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: My hope was to be able to use it similar to the QT external ... the video plays inside a Rev application. Unfortunately, this requires someone that: 1. understands Rev externals 2. programs in c/c++ (I'm not certain what VLC is written in) 3. willing to do 1 & 2 The "quick and dirty" way to do it right now is to store the portable version inside the Rev application, take the users input, put the VLC into a working directory and launch it was the scripts mentioned. Not elegant but doable. On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Luis wrote: > Hiya, > > If you're ok to go through the Terminal/Shell, there are many commands you > can use. > Here's a couple of pointers: > > http://www.videolan.org/doc/vlc-user-guide/en/ch04.html > > http://wiki.videolan.org/VLC_command-line_help > > Cheers, > > Luis. > > > > On 28/05/2010 05:04, Glen Bojsza wrote: > >> I was wondering if anyone has done any work with VLC and Rev? >> >> If so, can you share your experiences! >> >> regards, >> >> Glen >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From coiin at verizon.net Fri May 28 09:48:14 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:48:14 -0400 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Next step in this rumor: http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/05/27/wild.rumor.of.ballmer.at.wwdc.triggers.talk/ From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Fri May 28 10:51:42 2010 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:51:42 -0700 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: > Next step in this rumor: > > http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/05/27/wild.rumor.of.ba > llmer.at.wwdc.triggers.talk/ This could be one of those "find a leak" rumors leaked out to find disloyal employees. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Fri May 28 10:55:12 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 15:55:12 +0100 Subject: OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue Message-ID: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianjameswood/4647100478/ It's a bit rough around the edges as it was stitched while I waited in the queue. Now on with some On-Rev iPad webapp stuff... Ian From devin_asay at byu.edu Fri May 28 11:02:10 2010 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:02:10 -0600 Subject: never ending scroll? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 27, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > Tom, > > The scroll-wheel I've in mind is in the "Add alarm" section of the > iPhone's "Clock". > > "Lazily loaded"? I guess I'm off to search that. > > In the meantime, I'd still welcome example scripts of something that'd > do an endless scroll of text in a text field, rather than a group, a > table, a window, etc. Hi Nicolas, The relatively new addition to revTalk, 'wrap', might help here. This example isn't exactly what you're describing, but I think the same principle could be applied. I just tested this script in a "LittleArrows" style scrollbar, and it successfully does an endless loop through the numbers 1 through 12, both backward and forward, when you click the increment or decrement arrows. Now imagine lines of text stored in a variable that would be shown in the field, instead of the numbers. local sCount on scrollbarLineInc put 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 into tnums add 1 to sCount put sCount wrap 12 into fld "counter" end scrollbarLineInc on scrollbarLineDec put 12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 into tnums subtract 1 from sCount if sCount is 0 then put 12 into sCount put sCount wrap 12 into fld "counter" end scrollbarLineDec HTH, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From coiin at verizon.net Fri May 28 12:16:30 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:16:30 -0400 Subject: OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D4F7105-435E-4DAD-A421-0BB64D646AF6@verizon.net> On May 28, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianjameswood/4647100478/ Is that Zaphod Beeblelbrox in the gray hoodie? From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri May 28 12:45:54 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:45:54 -0700 Subject: OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I used the flickr pano player - wow - seems better than QT VR, and that's saying a lot. It looks like you floated the camera on an unseen balloon. I looked at a few more of your "slides". Saw the 'international' iPad order form... I am envious of the Euro way of selling phones separately from the carrier. You have FOUR CHOICES OF CARRIER!! We have no choice. Doe the Euro customer get 'all you can eat' internet with some of the plans? Give a little , take a little... sqb On 28 May 2010 07:55, Ian Wood wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianjameswood/4647100478/ > > It's a bit rough around the edges as it was stitched while I waited in the > queue. > > Now on with some On-Rev iPad webapp stuff... > > Ian > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Fri May 28 12:53:54 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:53:54 +0100 Subject: OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue In-Reply-To: <3D4F7105-435E-4DAD-A421-0BB64D646AF6@verizon.net> References: <3D4F7105-435E-4DAD-A421-0BB64D646AF6@verizon.net> Message-ID: <521CC424-5260-45E2-B5BC-C467CB15628B@azurevision.co.uk> On 28 May 2010, at 17:16, Colin Holgate wrote: > > On May 28, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianjameswood/4647100478/ > > > Is that Zaphod Beeblelbrox in the gray hoodie? No, just a stitching error. ;-) Like I said, it's the 'rough' version. On 28 May 2010, at 17:45, stephen barncard wrote: > I am envious of the Euro way of selling phones separately from the > carrier. > You have FOUR CHOICES OF CARRIER!! Yep. I think that's one reason why the iPhone has been so successful over here, not being tied to AT&T. Ian From coiin at verizon.net Fri May 28 13:09:25 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:09:25 -0400 Subject: OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue In-Reply-To: <521CC424-5260-45E2-B5BC-C467CB15628B@azurevision.co.uk> References: <3D4F7105-435E-4DAD-A421-0BB64D646AF6@verizon.net> <521CC424-5260-45E2-B5BC-C467CB15628B@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <3434019C-1C2B-4BA8-8F6E-594591B0C2E5@verizon.net> On May 28, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Ian Wood wrote: >> Is that Zaphod Beeblelbrox in the gray hoodie? > > No, just a stitching error. ;-) Is there a link somewhere that shows the hardware being used? One note for anyone using Safari, and who tries the pano player: it's using shockwave, and currently shockwave runs as 32 bit. If you're using Safari in 64 bit then the shockwave movie won't work. You can Get Info on Safari and tell it to run in 32 bit for now (the performance is still good). A 64 bit version of shockwave will be released in a few weeks. From klaus at major.on-rev.com Fri May 28 13:36:14 2010 From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 19:36:14 +0200 Subject: OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue In-Reply-To: <3434019C-1C2B-4BA8-8F6E-594591B0C2E5@verizon.net> References: <3D4F7105-435E-4DAD-A421-0BB64D646AF6@verizon.net> <521CC424-5260-45E2-B5BC-C467CB15628B@azurevision.co.uk> <3434019C-1C2B-4BA8-8F6E-594591B0C2E5@verizon.net> Message-ID: <772687A6-A586-4972-BC2E-657224163FA2@major.on-rev.com> Hi Colin, Am 28.05.2010 um 19:09 schrieb Colin Holgate: > On May 28, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Ian Wood wrote: >>> Is that Zaphod Beeblelbrox in the gray hoodie? >> No, just a stitching error. ;-) > > Is there a link somewhere that shows the hardware being used? > > One note for anyone using Safari, and who tries the pano player: it's using shockwave, and currently shockwave runs as 32 bit. If you're using Safari in 64 bit then the shockwave movie won't work. You can Get Info on Safari and tell it to run in 32 bit for now (the performance is still good). A 64 bit version of shockwave will be released in a few weeks. thanks for the info! But wouldn't it be nice if the rev-web plugin could also do this without QT? ;-) Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major.on-rev.com From bobs at twft.com Fri May 28 13:52:55 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:52:55 -0700 Subject: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS? In-Reply-To: References: <4BFDED88.3080801@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Ahhh. Counter Intel. The plot gets thick as soup! Bob On May 28, 2010, at 7:51 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: >> Next step in this rumor: >> >> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/05/27/wild.rumor.of.ba >> llmer.at.wwdc.triggers.talk/ > > This could be one of those "find a leak" rumors leaked out to find disloyal > employees. > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks From coiin at verizon.net Fri May 28 14:03:06 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:03:06 -0400 Subject: OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue In-Reply-To: <772687A6-A586-4972-BC2E-657224163FA2@major.on-rev.com> References: <3D4F7105-435E-4DAD-A421-0BB64D646AF6@verizon.net> <521CC424-5260-45E2-B5BC-C467CB15628B@azurevision.co.uk> <3434019C-1C2B-4BA8-8F6E-594591B0C2E5@verizon.net> <772687A6-A586-4972-BC2E-657224163FA2@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: On May 28, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > But wouldn't it be nice if the rev-web plugin could also do this without QT? ;-) > The shockwave version doesn't use QuickTime, but then it does have hardware 3D as a feature. I suppose you could do the same thing in Rev using the Franklin 3D add-on. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri May 28 14:47:58 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 21:47:58 +0300 Subject: OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue In-Reply-To: References: <3D4F7105-435E-4DAD-A421-0BB64D646AF6@verizon.net> <521CC424-5260-45E2-B5BC-C467CB15628B@azurevision.co.uk> <3434019C-1C2B-4BA8-8F6E-594591B0C2E5@verizon.net> <772687A6-A586-4972-BC2E-657224163FA2@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <4C000FDE.7030905@gmail.com> On 28/05/2010 21:03, Colin Holgate wrote: > On May 28, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > >> But wouldn't it be nice if the rev-web plugin could also do this without QT? ;-) >> > The shockwave version doesn't use QuickTime, but then it does have hardware 3D as a feature. I suppose you could do the same thing in Rev using the Franklin 3D add-on. > > > Somebody wrote something just now about embedding the portable version of VLC in a stack: I don't suppose that could be done in a revlet ???? From martyknapp at comcast.net Fri May 28 15:05:44 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:05:44 -0700 Subject: Hard CASE: cracking the nut? In-Reply-To: <4BFEC3A6.8040808@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> <4BFD62AA.2010104@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD68D4.4070203@gmail.com> <4BFD7143.2050405@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD72A6.5050301@comcast.net> <4BFD87AF.5030906@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFDCE23.1090601@comcast.net> <4BFEC3A6.8040808@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4C001408.2040802@comcast.net> OK, I think I have this worked out. I spread my scripts around (reminded me of my HyperCard days and running into the 32k script limit!) and got everything below the 10 statement limit and it seems to be working now. Thanks, Marty > Marty Knapp wrote: >> What I have is a standalone that contains template stacks from which >> a user creates their own stacks. These stacks are saved outside of >> the standalone. I wanted to institute an updating feature, where the >> user's stack version is compared to the template (which may have had >> revisions from being updated) on launch and if needed to have the >> standalone copy the scripts from the template into the user stack, >> rather than making them create a new stack. But if any of these >> scripts exceed the 10 statement limit it will not work. So I stripped >> the template stack of as much code as I could, which also minimizes >> the need for updating in the first place :) >> >> But this user stack needs access to the standalone stacks and scripts >> to function properly, so now I've found that if the user launches the >> standalone by double-clicking their stack, that once in a while the >> stacks/scripts it needs are not available and I get errors when the >> user stack loads. Not always, but probably 1 in 10 times. I've tried >> a number of routines to check for this, but these routines need to be >> in the user stack and I run into the 10 statement limit . . . >> >> I hope that's understandable! > > Only sort of, I'm still a little confused. But basically when I have a > system with templates, I put almost nothing in the template except > very generic handler calls. I put all the actual, working handlers in > the app's script, where I can change them without updating the templates. > > I'm not sure why your templates need to contain any updating code. > They should just call a handler like "checkUpdates", which the main > stack executes. It can then act on any stacks it needs to change (with > the exception of long scripts, but if you use the generic approach to > handlers, that shouldn't be a problem.) > > If your users double-click a stack to launch your app, your app will > first get all the startup, preOpenStack, openStack etc. messages, and > then will open the user stack. The mainstack's script should > automatically be shared as a backscript, but if that isn't always > happening you can specifically insert it on preOpenStack. That should > clear up any issues your user stacks may have accessing the mainstack > script. Also make sure the handlers in the user stack pass any > necessary system messages if your mainstack needs to operate on those. > From martyknapp at comcast.net Fri May 28 15:11:10 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:11:10 -0700 Subject: Short name and long name In-Reply-To: <4BFEC3A6.8040808@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> <4BFD62AA.2010104@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD68D4.4070203@gmail.com> <4BFD7143.2050405@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD72A6.5050301@comcast.net> <4BFD87AF.5030906@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFDCE23.1090601@comcast.net> <4BFEC3A6.8040808@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4C00154E.30208@comcast.net> Let's say a user creates a stack from one of my templates, then later in the Finder, changes its name. Now there's a discrepancy between the short name and the long name. Is that a problem or does Rev understand this? Or should I construct a routine to parse the file name out and set the name to correct for this? I'm trying to think of everything that could go wrong with my application in the hands of others and account for it. It's a lot easier to write apps for your own use (which is what I mostly do), where you understand the logic and tend not to do anything to mess things up (most of the time!) . . . Thanks, Marty From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri May 28 15:27:32 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 22:27:32 +0300 Subject: The new RunRev Survey Message-ID: <4C001924.7010402@gmail.com> I have a feeling that in putting out this survey RunRev are demonstrating that they are listening (Peter A. take note): so, Please take the thing. And: DON'T discuss its contents here, as per request. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri May 28 16:04:17 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 23:04:17 +0300 Subject: Duplicate Card ? Message-ID: <4C0021C1.4000602@gmail.com> The answer to this one is probably moronically simple; notwithstanding that, I do not know how to do it. I have a stack with a card absolutely heaving with controls/objects and I wish to duplicate the whole thing so I have 2 cards that are identical (controls, control scripts, card script) one after the other. sincerely, Richmond. From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri May 28 16:10:59 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:10:59 -0700 Subject: Duplicate Card ? In-Reply-To: <4C0021C1.4000602@gmail.com> Message-ID: Recently, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > The answer to this one is probably moronically simple; notwithstanding > that, I do not > know how to do it. > > I have a stack with a card absolutely heaving with controls/objects and > I wish to duplicate > the whole thing so I have 2 cards that are identical (controls, control > scripts, card script) one > after the other. Did you try "clone this cd" ? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri May 28 16:15:40 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 22:15:40 +0200 Subject: Short name and long name In-Reply-To: <4C00154E.30208@comcast.net> References: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> <4BFD62AA.2010104@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD68D4.4070203@gmail.com> <4BFD7143.2050405@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD72A6.5050301@comcast.net> <4BFD87AF.5030906@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFDCE23.1090601@comcast.net> <4BFEC3A6.8040808@hyperactivesw.com> <4C00154E.30208@comcast.net> Message-ID: <68580959-2C45-4B41-9801-04C3B231CA6C@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Marty, Once a stack is in memory, you can refer to it by its short name. You should not change the short name, because usually it breaks your scripts. Changing the file name means that your scripts may no longer be able to find the file, unless the user chooses the file manually (e.g. using answer file). If you want to make sure that your programme doesn't contain obvious bugs, ask a few friends to test it. If you want to deliver a high- quality product, hire a (few) good beta tester(s). -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 28 mei 2010, at 21:11, Marty Knapp wrote: > Let's say a user creates a stack from one of my templates, then > later in the Finder, changes its name. Now there's a discrepancy > between the short name and the long name. Is that a problem or does > Rev understand this? Or should I construct a routine to parse the > file name out and set the name to correct for this? > > I'm trying to think of everything that could go wrong with my > application in the hands of others and account for it. It's a lot > easier to write apps for your own use (which is what I mostly do), > where you understand the logic and tend not to do anything to mess > things up (most of the time!) . . . > > Thanks, > Marty From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri May 28 16:16:07 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:16:07 -0700 Subject: Duplicate Card ? In-Reply-To: <4C0021C1.4000602@gmail.com> References: <4C0021C1.4000602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <125-457549953.20100528131607@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- Friday, May 28, 2010, 1:04:17 PM, you wrote: > The answer to this one is probably moronically simple; notwithstanding > that, I do not > know how to do it. two more ways... the easy way: copy this card paste the hard way: command-A command-C command-N command-V -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri May 28 16:44:35 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 23:44:35 +0300 Subject: Duplicate Card ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C002B33.90303@gmail.com> On 28/05/2010 23:10, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> The answer to this one is probably moronically simple; notwithstanding >> that, I do not >> know how to do it. >> >> I have a stack with a card absolutely heaving with controls/objects and >> I wish to duplicate >> the whole thing so I have 2 cards that are identical (controls, control >> scripts, card script) one >> after the other. > Did you try "clone this cd" ? > No, I didn't: I was naive enough to look for a menu choice . . . :) Thanks so much. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri May 28 16:45:54 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 23:45:54 +0300 Subject: Duplicate Card ? In-Reply-To: <125-457549953.20100528131607@ahsoftware.net> References: <4C0021C1.4000602@gmail.com> <125-457549953.20100528131607@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <4C002B82.3060807@gmail.com> On 28/05/2010 23:16, Mark Wieder wrote: > Richmond- > > Friday, May 28, 2010, 1:04:17 PM, you wrote: > >> The answer to this one is probably moronically simple; notwithstanding >> that, I do not >> know how to do it. > two more ways... > > the easy way: > copy this card > paste > > the hard way: > command-A > command-C > command-N > command-V > Why do I have my doubts about this? Well; because experience has taught me that the layers of objects are not always preserved. From bobs at twft.com Fri May 28 16:50:08 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:50:08 -0700 Subject: Duplicate Card ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59322AD6-7DCD-4C60-9D3C-6D29D8D7286A@twft.com> I hope you do not mean "duplicate" in the sense of object ID's. Don't think that is possible. Bob On May 28, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> The answer to this one is probably moronically simple; notwithstanding >> that, I do not >> know how to do it. >> >> I have a stack with a card absolutely heaving with controls/objects and >> I wish to duplicate >> the whole thing so I have 2 cards that are identical (controls, control >> scripts, card script) one >> after the other. > > Did you try "clone this cd" ? > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Fri May 28 17:07:27 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 22:07:27 +0100 Subject: OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue In-Reply-To: References: <3D4F7105-435E-4DAD-A421-0BB64D646AF6@verizon.net> <521CC424-5260-45E2-B5BC-C467CB15628B@azurevision.co.uk> <3434019C-1C2B-4BA8-8F6E-594591B0C2E5@verizon.net> <772687A6-A586-4972-BC2E-657224163FA2@major.on-rev.com> Message-ID: <0B872098-85AE-4C41-B8ED-B189028D6172@azurevision.co.uk> On 28 May 2010, at 19:03, Colin Holgate wrote: > The shockwave version doesn't use QuickTime, but then it does have > hardware 3D as a feature. Which is a *big* thing when it comes to panorama players. > I suppose you could do the same thing in Rev using the Franklin 3D > add-on. I've had similar thoughts but simply haven't had time to see if externals can be used with Revlets. Anyway, here's the updated version, not quite so many stitching errors: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianjameswood/4647933907/ Although Zaphod Beeblebrox's younger brother appears to still be at the head of the queue. Ian From andre at andregarzia.com Fri May 28 17:16:32 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (andre at andregarzia.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:16:32 -0300 Subject: Duplicate Card ? In-Reply-To: <4C002B82.3060807@gmail.com> References: <4C0021C1.4000602@gmail.com> <125-457549953.20100528131607@ahsoftware.net> <4C002B82.3060807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7FF54DA5-5D25-4993-BCCC-9A7598CE46EB@andregarzia.com> Richmond, I think you can also use: "clone this card" Cheers Enviado de meu iPhone Em 28/05/2010, ?s 17:45, Richmond Mathewson escreveu: > On 28/05/2010 23:16, Mark Wieder wrote: >> Richmond- >> >> Friday, May 28, 2010, 1:04:17 PM, you wrote: >> >>> The answer to this one is probably moronically simple; >>> notwithstanding >>> that, I do not >>> know how to do it. >> two more ways... >> >> the easy way: >> copy this card >> paste >> >> the hard way: >> command-A >> command-C >> command-N >> command-V >> > > Why do I have my doubts about this? > > Well; because experience has taught me that the layers of objects are > not always preserved. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri May 28 17:21:08 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:21:08 -0500 Subject: OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue In-Reply-To: <0B872098-85AE-4C41-B8ED-B189028D6172@azurevision.co.uk> References: <3D4F7105-435E-4DAD-A421-0BB64D646AF6@verizon.net> <521CC424-5260-45E2-B5BC-C467CB15628B@azurevision.co.uk> <3434019C-1C2B-4BA8-8F6E-594591B0C2E5@verizon.net> <772687A6-A586-4972-BC2E-657224163FA2@major.on-rev.com> <0B872098-85AE-4C41-B8ED-B189028D6172@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <4C0033C4.8060005@hyperactivesw.com> Ian Wood wrote: > I've had similar thoughts but simply haven't had time to see if > externals can be used with Revlets. I can save you some time. They can't. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Fri May 28 17:22:42 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 22:22:42 +0100 Subject: OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue In-Reply-To: <4C0033C4.8060005@hyperactivesw.com> References: <3D4F7105-435E-4DAD-A421-0BB64D646AF6@verizon.net> <521CC424-5260-45E2-B5BC-C467CB15628B@azurevision.co.uk> <3434019C-1C2B-4BA8-8F6E-594591B0C2E5@verizon.net> <772687A6-A586-4972-BC2E-657224163FA2@major.on-rev.com> <0B872098-85AE-4C41-B8ED-B189028D6172@azurevision.co.uk> <4C0033C4.8060005@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On 28 May 2010, at 22:21, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Ian Wood wrote: > >> I've had similar thoughts but simply haven't had time to see if >> externals can be used with Revlets. > > I can save you some time. They can't. Ta. I still have a few uses for Franklin 3D & panoramas up my sleeve, though, once Aperture Assistant is re-written and some On-Rev stuff set in motion. Ian From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri May 28 17:25:50 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:25:50 -0500 Subject: Short name and long name In-Reply-To: <4C00154E.30208@comcast.net> References: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> <4BFD62AA.2010104@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD68D4.4070203@gmail.com> <4BFD7143.2050405@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD72A6.5050301@comcast.net> <4BFD87AF.5030906@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFDCE23.1090601@comcast.net> <4BFEC3A6.8040808@hyperactivesw.com> <4C00154E.30208@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4C0034DE.8000301@hyperactivesw.com> Marty Knapp wrote: > Let's say a user creates a stack from one of my templates, then later in > the Finder, changes its name. Now there's a discrepancy between the > short name and the long name. Is that a problem or does Rev understand > this? Or should I construct a routine to parse the file name out and set > the name to correct for this? It shouldn't matter. Stack and file names are rarely the same, mostly because Rev's default is to add a ".rev" extension to the file name and most people never change that. If you know either one, you can refer to the stack by either. In general, the short name is easier. When your user's stack opens you can grab its short name if you need to, and put it into a variable for future use. If you need to get the file name, ask for "the filename of this stack" or "the filename of stack shortNameVariable" to retrieve it. But Rev keeps that stuff straight for you, and the short name is generally all you need for most things. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bobs at twft.com Fri May 28 17:50:53 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:50:53 -0700 Subject: Short name and long name In-Reply-To: <4C0034DE.8000301@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> <4BFD62AA.2010104@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD68D4.4070203@gmail.com> <4BFD7143.2050405@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD72A6.5050301@comcast.net> <4BFD87AF.5030906@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFDCE23.1090601@comcast.net> <4BFEC3A6.8040808@hyperactivesw.com> <4C00154E.30208@comcast.net> <4C0034DE.8000301@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <30B4CB46-D829-425F-BD00-0177C12E0891@twft.com> Also, I think that people who go around changing the name of files they didn't create deserve to have their whole computer world go up in digital smoke. Most people know not to change the name of anything that is not a basic document of some type. That being said, I've seen users do crazier things. Bob On May 28, 2010, at 2:25 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Marty Knapp wrote: >> Let's say a user creates a stack from one of my templates, then later in the Finder, changes its name. Now there's a discrepancy between the short name and the long name. Is that a problem or does Rev understand this? Or should I construct a routine to parse the file name out and set the name to correct for this? > > It shouldn't matter. Stack and file names are rarely the same, mostly because Rev's default is to add a ".rev" extension to the file name and most people never change that. If you know either one, you can refer to the stack by either. In general, the short name is easier. When your user's stack opens you can grab its short name if you need to, and put it into a variable for future use. > > If you need to get the file name, ask for "the filename of this stack" or "the filename of stack shortNameVariable" to retrieve it. But Rev keeps that stuff straight for you, and the short name is generally all you need for most things. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri May 28 17:55:15 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:55:15 -0500 Subject: Short name and long name In-Reply-To: <30B4CB46-D829-425F-BD00-0177C12E0891@twft.com> References: <4BFD5A6F.60902@gmail.com> <4BFD62AA.2010104@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD68D4.4070203@gmail.com> <4BFD7143.2050405@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFD72A6.5050301@comcast.net> <4BFD87AF.5030906@hyperactivesw.com> <4BFDCE23.1090601@comcast.net> <4BFEC3A6.8040808@hyperactivesw.com> <4C00154E.30208@comcast.net> <4C0034DE.8000301@hyperactivesw.com> <30B4CB46-D829-425F-BD00-0177C12E0891@twft.com> Message-ID: <4C003BC3.9080401@hyperactivesw.com> Bob Sneidar wrote: > Also, I think that people who go around changing the name of files > they didn't create deserve to have their whole computer world go up > in digital smoke. Most people know not to change the name of anything > that is not a basic document of some type. In this case, the files were created by his users. They own them. > > That being said, I've seen users do crazier things. Oh I could go on... but some of the tech support stories sites do a better job of providing examples. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri May 28 18:23:16 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 15:23:16 -0700 Subject: Short name and long name Message-ID: <4C004254.20608@fourthworld.com> Marty Knapp wrote: > Let's say a user creates a stack from one of my templates, then later in > the Finder, changes its name. Now there's a discrepancy between the > short name and the long name. Is that a problem or does Rev understand > this? Or should I construct a routine to parse the file name out and set > the name to correct for this? What happened when you tried it? It's a quick test: 1. Make a stack 2. Save it 3. In the Finder/Explorer, change the name of the file 4. Save it again When I tested it here I got the result I expected given that the stack's understanding of its file name is what's stored in its fileName property which is initialized when the stack opens: If the name of a stack file is changed while the stack is open, that change is ignored when the engine saves, writing it instead to the name as it last understood it to be. Where things can go wonky is when a user changes the name of a folder in that path - then the engine won't be able to write to the original filename because it can't find the path to do it. When file I/O errors happen you can check the sysError function for details. The function isn't all that helpful in itself, returning only the system error ID for what happened, but if you keep a table of those handy you can write meaningful messages to users or at the very least include the result from sysError in your error dialogs so if your user calls for support you can look it up then. Here's some: Win: OS X: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From joef1 at mac.com Fri May 28 18:24:39 2010 From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:24:39 -0400 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Your example worked for me on OS X 10.6.3 when I made these changes. put empty into URL "binfile:~/desktop/resource test.dat" get setResource("~/desktop/resource test.dat","TEXT",999,"Test","U","Hello World") On May 27, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi, > > For a new project, it is essential that I can read from and write to the resource fork of a file. I am not looking for a way to copy resource forks. > > I am trying to use the setResource function, but it doesn't work. I tried it with Rev 4.0 on Mac OS X 10.5 and Rev 2.6.1 on Mac OS 9.2.2. With both systems, I get the same result: the resource is created (including ID, name and flags, but the data are not written to it. > > On Mac OS X, contrary to what the documentation claims, the file isn't created automatically, if the file doesn't exist yet. Therefore, I create the file before writing the resource fork. > > Does anyone have a clue about what might be wrong with the following two lines? > > put empty into url "binfile:~/desktop/resource test.dat" > get setresource("/Users/Mark/desktop/resource test.dat","MARK",999,"Test","U","Hello World") > > Althought the serResource function doesn't work correctly for me, the getResource and getResources functions work fine on both systems. > > I tried to find a solution in the archives, but it looks like this function is rarely used. I need it though. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pepetoo at cox.net Fri May 28 18:32:06 2010 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 15:32:06 -0700 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6FF708FB-C3A9-4A31-A5B7-EA28B99EFC81@cox.net> I thought we stopped using the Resource fork quite some time ago in favor of external files. Joe Lewis Wilkins On May 28, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Joe F. wrote: > Your example worked for me on OS X 10.6.3 when I made these changes. > > put empty into URL "binfile:~/desktop/resource test.dat" > get setResource("~/desktop/resource test.dat","TEXT",999,"Test","U","Hello World") > > > On May 27, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> For a new project, it is essential that I can read from and write to the resource fork of a file. I am not looking for a way to copy resource forks. >> >> I am trying to use the setResource function, but it doesn't work. I tried it with Rev 4.0 on Mac OS X 10.5 and Rev 2.6.1 on Mac OS 9.2.2. With both systems, I get the same result: the resource is created (including ID, name and flags, but the data are not written to it. >> >> On Mac OS X, contrary to what the documentation claims, the file isn't created automatically, if the file doesn't exist yet. Therefore, I create the file before writing the resource fork. >> >> Does anyone have a clue about what might be wrong with the following two lines? >> >> put empty into url "binfile:~/desktop/resource test.dat" >> get setresource("/Users/Mark/desktop/resource test.dat","MARK",999,"Test","U","Hello World") >> >> Althought the serResource function doesn't work correctly for me, the getResource and getResources functions work fine on both systems. >> >> I tried to find a solution in the archives, but it looks like this function is rarely used. I need it though. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Schonewille >> >> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering >> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer >> >> Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html >> Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. >> From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri May 28 18:37:49 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 00:37:49 +0200 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Joe. Have you checked, with a resource editor, that the resource was actually written to the file? Although your modified syntax might also work on my machine, it still won't work for all the other resource types :-( -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 29 mei 2010, at 00:24, Joe F. wrote: > Your example worked for me on OS X 10.6.3 when I made these changes. > > put empty into URL "binfile:~/desktop/resource test.dat" > get setResource("~/desktop/resource test.dat","TEXT", > 999,"Test","U","Hello World") > > From martyknapp at comcast.net Fri May 28 19:29:35 2010 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:29:35 -0700 Subject: Short name and long name In-Reply-To: <4C004254.20608@fourthworld.com> References: <4C004254.20608@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4C0051DF.3010501@comcast.net> Thanks everyone. In my tests it worked fine. But I wasn't sure if there was something I was unaware of that would come back to bite me on the backside! Thanks, Marty > Marty Knapp wrote: > >> Let's say a user creates a stack from one of my templates, then later in >> the Finder, changes its name. Now there's a discrepancy between the >> short name and the long name. Is that a problem or does Rev understand >> this? Or should I construct a routine to parse the file name out and set >> the name to correct for this? > > What happened when you tried it? > > It's a quick test: > > 1. Make a stack > 2. Save it > 3. In the Finder/Explorer, change the name of the file > 4. Save it again > From bobs at twft.com Fri May 28 19:45:35 2010 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:45:35 -0700 Subject: Single Record Updates Only??? Message-ID: Hi all. Well I think I've run across a bit of a limitation with the Rev Database API's. I had heard that you cannot send multiple SQL statements at a time, by separating them with semiColons. This is quite the bummer. When working with a large remote SQL database, sending a series of commands for the server to process is really the only way to work efficiently. For instance, I have been trying to develop a paging system that will query and update a limited number of records, so as to avoid hitting the wall by inadvertently returning an extremely large data set in Revolution. So I build my SQL to look like this: UPDATE devices SET sw_id="8",devicename="logos-it xserve-raid" WHERE sw_id="8"; UPDATE devices SET sw_id="11",devicename="logos-it xsan backup" WHERE sw_id="11"; UPDATE devices SET sw_id="12",devicename="logos-ftp" WHERE sw_id="12"; and so on for the number of records in the page, currently set to 100. I can paste that SQL directly into mySQL Workbench and it executes flawlessly. But when I use RevExecuteSQL I get an error at line 2. As soon as it sees the semi colon it chokes and doesn't even try to send the SQL to the database. At this point, I am not sure if MySQL Workbench is simply parsing this SQL out one line at a time and doing what Rev would do. The result would seem to indicate that. Is there no way of updating more than one record at a time in a single UPDATE statement? If so, I am wondering if this is something that can be addressed in a future update, or if there is perhaps another way of doing this. Repeated queries for each record are not gonna do it for me, otherwise I may as well concede that Revolution is NOT a good choice for manipulating a large amount of data in a remote SQL server. Maybe nothing is good at working with remote SQL servers, I don't know. It could be that SQL was never really made to be accessed remotely over the internet. . I can still work with it, I just have to forget about any kind of scalability as such. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri May 28 22:53:36 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 12:53:36 +1000 Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: <523B89B1-66FA-4D01-8929-D87B01B991CE@me.com> References: <523B89B1-66FA-4D01-8929-D87B01B991CE@me.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > We have posted a video of the Rodeo development environment in action! Sarah Reichelt (co-creator of Rodeo) joins me in the video all the way from Queensland, Australia. > > This is a pretty big step for our little team. Here's the link: > > ? http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-headed-for-pre-release-0 Jerry is away for a few days, but if anyone has any questions, post them here or on the Rodeo site and I will do my best to answer. Cheers, Sarah From joef1 at mac.com Fri May 28 22:58:56 2010 From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 22:58:56 -0400 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know about all that. I just moved to snow leopard so I don't even know if I have a hex editor available. If I open the file it looks empty; but I wouldn't know about resource fork reading on OS X, they all look like flat files to me. Here's the script I used in a button that creates the file with 2 resources,then retrieves them to a field named "Notes": on mouseUp -- Create file first put empty into URL "binfile:~/desktop/resource test.dat" get setResource("~/desktop/resource test.dat","TEXT",999,"Test","U","Hello World") get setResource("~/desktop/resource test.dat","MARK",999,"Test","U","Hello World2") put getResources("~/desktop/resource test.dat") into fld "Notes" end mouseUp Maybe they're not "real" resources; only some kind of special "rev" resources? On May 28, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Thanks, Joe. Have you checked, with a resource editor, that the resource was actually written to the file? Although your modified syntax might also work on my machine, it still won't work for all the other resource types :-( > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 29 mei 2010, at 00:24, Joe F. wrote: > >> Your example worked for me on OS X 10.6.3 when I made these changes. >> >> put empty into URL "binfile:~/desktop/resource test.dat" >> get setResource("~/desktop/resource test.dat","TEXT",999,"Test","U","Hello World") >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri May 28 23:25:44 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 22:25:44 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: References: <523B89B1-66FA-4D01-8929-D87B01B991CE@me.com> Message-ID: <4C008938.2060905@hyperactivesw.com> Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: >> We have posted a video of the Rodeo development environment in action! Sarah Reichelt (co-creator of Rodeo) joins me in the video all the way from Queensland, Australia. >> >> This is a pretty big step for our little team. Here's the link: >> >> http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-headed-for-pre-release-0 > > > Jerry is away for a few days, but if anyone has any questions, post > them here or on the Rodeo site and I will do my best to answer. Since it's a third party product, I think the rodeo site would be more appropriate. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat May 29 00:46:47 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 21:46:47 -0700 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe, here's a good Mac Hex editor http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Developer-Tools/HexEditor.shtml (free) On 28 May 2010 19:58, Joe F. wrote: > I don't know about all that. I just moved to snow leopard so I don't even > know if I have a hex editor available. > If I open the file it looks empty; but I wouldn't know about resource fork > reading on OS X, they all look like flat files to me. > > Here's the script I used in a button that creates the file with 2 > resources,then retrieves them to a field named "Notes": > > on mouseUp > > -- Create file first > put empty into URL "binfile:~/desktop/resource test.dat" > get setResource("~/desktop/resource > test.dat","TEXT",999,"Test","U","Hello World") > get setResource("~/desktop/resource > test.dat","MARK",999,"Test","U","Hello World2") > put getResources("~/desktop/resource test.dat") into fld "Notes" > end mouseUp > > Maybe they're not "real" resources; only some kind of special "rev" > resources? > > > On May 28, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > > > Thanks, Joe. Have you checked, with a resource editor, that the resource > was actually written to the file? Although your modified syntax might also > work on my machine, it still won't work for all the other resource types :-( > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > > > Mark Schonewille > > > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote > http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and > share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > > > On 29 mei 2010, at 00:24, Joe F. wrote: > > > >> Your example worked for me on OS X 10.6.3 when I made these changes. > >> > >> put empty into URL "binfile:~/desktop/resource test.dat" > >> get setResource("~/desktop/resource > test.dat","TEXT",999,"Test","U","Hello World") > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat May 29 01:43:48 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 15:43:48 +1000 Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: <4C008938.2060905@hyperactivesw.com> References: <523B89B1-66FA-4D01-8929-D87B01B991CE@me.com> <4C008938.2060905@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On 29/05/2010, at 1:25 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: >>> We have posted a video of the Rodeo development environment in action! Sarah Reichelt (co-creator of Rodeo) joins me in the video all the way from Queensland, Australia. >>> >>> This is a pretty big step for our little team. Here's the link: >>> >>> http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-headed-for-pre-release-0 >> Jerry is away for a few days, but if anyone has any questions, post >> them here or on the Rodeo site and I will do my best to answer. > > Since it's a third party product, I think the rodeo site would be more appropriate. > While I agree that the Rodeo site is a better location for such questions, I feel that discussion of an On-Rev based service has it's place here, and is vastly more on-topic than many other recent threads. Cheers, Sarah From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sat May 29 03:33:10 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 00:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The new RunRev Survey In-Reply-To: <4C001924.7010402@gmail.com> References: <4C001924.7010402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1275118390085-2235530.post@n4.nabble.com> Yes, I did reply, and its excellent that they are doing this. You have to do soundings of your customers from time to time. The only reservation is that no matter how sophisticated your stats, what this does not give you any information about is the customers you do not now have, but could have, were you do do things differently! But that's the really hard part. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/The-new-RunRev-Survey-tp2235076p2235530.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat May 29 03:53:20 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 09:53:20 +0200 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B27F6E5-D2E4-4426-AE3E-229C5E7CCC5D@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Joe, As I explained in my original e-mail, your example creates the resources, but doesn't write the actual data. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 29 mei 2010, at 04:58, Joe F. wrote: > I don't know about all that. I just moved to snow leopard so I don't > even know if I have a hex editor available. > If I open the file it looks empty; but I wouldn't know about > resource fork reading on OS X, they all look like flat files to me. > > Here's the script I used in a button that creates the file with 2 > resources,then retrieves them to a field named "Notes": > > on mouseUp > > -- Create file first > put empty into URL "binfile:~/desktop/resource test.dat" > get setResource("~/desktop/resource test.dat","TEXT", > 999,"Test","U","Hello World") > get setResource("~/desktop/resource test.dat","MARK", > 999,"Test","U","Hello World2") > put getResources("~/desktop/resource test.dat") into fld "Notes" > end mouseUp > > Maybe they're not "real" resources; only some kind of special "rev" > resources? From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat May 29 09:02:01 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 06:02:01 -0700 Subject: Survey Caution Message-ID: <4C011049.3070506@fourthworld.com> Joe F. wrote: > I'm in the middle of taking this new survey when I realized that 1 > is "most important" and 5 "least important" That's exactly backwards from every survey I've ever seen. Hint: 5 is greater than 1. ;) I wonder how many other results are as invalid as mine were because of that unusual scale.... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 29 09:35:48 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:35:48 +0300 Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: <4C011049.3070506@fourthworld.com> References: <4C011049.3070506@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4C011834.1030305@gmail.com> On 29/05/2010 16:02, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Joe F. wrote: > > > I'm in the middle of taking this new survey when I realized that 1 > > is "most important" and 5 "least important" > > That's exactly backwards from every survey I've ever seen. > > Hint: 5 is greater than 1. ;) > > I wonder how many other results are as invalid as mine were because of > that unusual scale.... > Yes; I fell over that one about half way through; so half of my stuff is completely the wrong way round. I suppose because the whole thing is cack-handed, and many people will be caught out by it all the results will actually have no value. From kray at sonsothunder.com Sat May 29 09:36:26 2010 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:36:26 -0500 Subject: Listing available MYSQL databases In-Reply-To: <024EC6E8-3E68-41A1-BB93-FB3EBC357F76@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Actually, it's even easier than that: put "/usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql -u username -p password --execute='show databases'" into tCmd put shell(tCmd) The only minor downside is to get the TRUE list, you need to clean up the result a bit (the first line just says "Database" and the last line is empty). So you can simply do this in one statement (indented here for clarity): put line 2 to -1 of shell("/usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql -u username -p password --execute='show databases'") into tDBList Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ On 5/25/10 10:42 PM, "Bob Cole" wrote: > If you put "SHOW DATABASES;" in a text file on the target > machine then you can execute the following statements > (watch for line breaks): > put "/usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql -u username -ppassword < > '/usr/local/ShowDatabases.txt'" into myCommand > put shell(myCommand) into message box > That works for me on my Mac with OS X 10.6.3 > Bob > > > Tue, 25 May 2010 11:41:21 -0700, Glen Bojsza wrote: > HI Joe, > You are correct and this has help solve my problem. > regards, > Glen > > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Joe F. wrote: >> This script would make promysql evaluate to "mysqlshow - u nrl -pnrl1" >> On May 23, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Glen Bojsza wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Has anyone successfully used either "open process" or "get shell()" to list >>> the databases available on a machine. > [...snip...] > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From kray at sonsothunder.com Sat May 29 09:50:58 2010 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:50:58 -0500 Subject: Windows 7 question In-Reply-To: <9910A7A7-01B0-432C-A207-3E7A828935DC@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: > Mark Schonewille (off forum) came up with the best answer (I think), > not requiring a shell command. > > put item 1 of specialfolderpath("system") into xxxxx > > and strip off the "/WINDOWS" text ! > > And this works for all Windows systems that I know. Sorry for coming late to the party here, but there's a "gotcha" you need to know about: Although the specialFolderPath() approach will give you a path, you can't count on "/WINDOWS" being in the path - you can give the main Windows directory any name you like during the install of ANY version of Windows (so far). However since most people don't install Windows but just get it preloaded on PCs they purchase, it is almost always "WINDOWS". For example, I used to have a PC which dual-booted Windows ME or Windows XP (yes, this was a long time ago), and I had one directory named "WINDOWS" and the other "WINXP", and based on the boot choice it would pick the proper folder. So if I booted in XP and got the specialFolderPath("system"), it returned "C:/WINXP". So to truly make it work, you need to not assume anything other than the specialFolderPath will give you a path that you can delete the last "/"-delimited item from to get what *should* be (until Microsoft changes it) the system volume: set the itemDel to "/" put item 1 to -2 of specialFolderPath("system") into tSysDrive Just my 2 cents, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From rman at free.fr Sat May 29 10:40:35 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 07:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: <4C011049.3070506@fourthworld.com> References: <4C011049.3070506@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1275144035668-2235704.post@n4.nabble.com> Oh hell !!! I did not realize.. hum.. oh damn me and them!! So my answers are all wrong!! Great!! thanks for pointing out.. how to let them know?? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Re-Survey-Caution-tp2235657p2235704.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rman at free.fr Sat May 29 10:44:37 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 07:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: <1275144035668-2235704.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <4C011049.3070506@fourthworld.com> <1275144035668-2235704.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1275144277947-2235707.post@n4.nabble.com> I replied by mail to runrev support to let them know my participation is voided... ! -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Re-Survey-Caution-tp2235657p2235707.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From coiin at verizon.net Sat May 29 12:06:23 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 12:06:23 -0400 Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: <4C011049.3070506@fourthworld.com> References: <4C011049.3070506@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Hopefully you all voted 3 for everything, then things would be ok! Fortunately, I read the instructions at the top, and so my one is correct. From mdswindell at cruzio.com Sat May 29 13:20:33 2010 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 10:20:33 -0700 Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: <4C011049.3070506@fourthworld.com> References: <4C011049.3070506@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <10F6771A-C958-473C-A55E-0EAF96569A47@cruzio.com> Oops. Mine is backwards, too. Are UK surveys usually done the other way around? On May 29, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Joe F. wrote: > > > I'm in the middle of taking this new survey when I realized that 1 > > is "most important" and 5 "least important" > > That's exactly backwards from every survey I've ever seen. > > Hint: 5 is greater than 1. ;) > > I wonder how many other results are as invalid as mine were because of that unusual scale.... > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From st.king42 at ntlworld.com Sat May 29 13:22:36 2010 From: st.king42 at ntlworld.com (Steve King) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 18:22:36 +0100 Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: <20100529170004.43DEA2880C6@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100529170004.43DEA2880C6@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I also noticed only halfway through the second pageand hopefully went back and corrected everything, BUT it is clear that an awful lot of responses will be totally incorrect. Hopefully, they will re-release the survey with a more conventional order. Pain to do it again though. Generally, I believe the team do look at the threads Cheers Steve From jim at d-film.com Sat May 29 13:45:23 2010 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 13:45:23 -0400 Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: References: <20100529170004.43DEA2880C6@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: This is becoming an interesting survey about who actually reads instructions and who just assumes the way things are... From gspearson at gmail.com Sat May 29 13:55:50 2010 From: gspearson at gmail.com (Graham Pearson) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 13:55:50 -0400 Subject: The new RunRev Survey In-Reply-To: <4C001924.7010402@gmail.com> References: <4C001924.7010402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C015526.2010500@gmail.com> Just wondering how this survey went out as I am not finding an email with the link to the survey in any of my emails everyone is talking about. On 5/28/2010 3:27 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > I have a feeling that in putting out this survey RunRev are > demonstrating that they are listening (Peter A. take note): > so, Please take the thing. > > And: DON'T discuss its contents here, as per request. > > sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 29 14:07:28 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 21:07:28 +0300 Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: References: <20100529170004.43DEA2880C6@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4C0157E0.9080009@gmail.com> On 29/05/2010 20:45, Jim Kanter wrote: > This is becoming an interesting survey about who actually reads > instructions and who just assumes the way things are... By the time one is in one's mid-40s the brain is half-rotted . . . :) ------------------------------------------------------------------- This is directly relevant to a current situation in my EFL school. Last week I decided to run the kids through a practise PET test; and they all "f**ked-up big"; this was odd as their English is reasonably good. So, after a suitable rant on my part, and suitably splashy tears on their part, we did another one (at the next class); and they all did very well indeed. The difference being simply that I went through the instructions with them before the second attempt (they had charged at the first one like a bull at the matador's cape - didn't bother to read the instructions). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now; while I'm on this particular soap-box let me have "a go" at the RunRev documentation: the other day I asked a question about how to duplicate a card with all its controls, scripts and so forth . . . now the reason why I asked this question is because I searched through the documentation under DUPLICATE and COPY . . . now, maybe I'm thick, or maybe it just didn't occur to me to look for CLONE; by why would it? when everything else of this sort comes under DUPLICATE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- So; there are 2 problems; coming form each end. so to speak:- 1. is the user has to read the instructions. 2. the instructions have to be written with the user in mind. From nealk3nc at gmail.com Sat May 29 14:14:14 2010 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 14:14:14 -0400 Subject: The new RunRev Survey In-Reply-To: <4C015526.2010500@gmail.com> References: <4C001924.7010402@gmail.com> <4C015526.2010500@gmail.com> Message-ID: Surveys usually go to a percentage of the audience not the entire audience. They can extrapolate the results based on the size of the affected group. Best wishes Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 29 14:25:47 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 21:25:47 +0300 Subject: The new RunRev Survey In-Reply-To: References: <4C001924.7010402@gmail.com> <4C015526.2010500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C015C2B.8050005@gmail.com> On 29/05/2010 21:14, Neal Campbell wrote: > Surveys usually go to a percentage of the audience not the entire audience. > They can extrapolate the results based on the size of the affected group. > However, as the surveyors have no way of knowing who did the survey correctly, and who did it "standing on their heads", the only thing that will be extrapolated is a set of data that doesn't really represent people's opinions, and it would be disingenuous to represent it as such. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat May 29 16:54:22 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 13:54:22 -0700 Subject: Survey Caution Message-ID: <4C017EFE.8020502@fourthworld.com> Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Now; while I'm on this particular soap-box let me have "a go" at the > RunRev documentation: > > the other day I asked a question about how to duplicate a card with all > its controls, > scripts and so forth . . . > > now the reason why I asked this question is because I searched through > the documentation under DUPLICATE and COPY . . . > > now, maybe I'm thick, or maybe it just didn't occur to me to look for CLONE; > > by why would it? Because it's included in the See Also list for the "copy" command. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 29 17:03:40 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 00:03:40 +0300 Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: <4C017EFE.8020502@fourthworld.com> References: <4C017EFE.8020502@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4C01812C.30307@gmail.com> On 29/05/2010 23:54, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >> Now; while I'm on this particular soap-box let me have "a go" at the >> RunRev documentation: >> >> the other day I asked a question about how to duplicate a card with all >> its controls, >> scripts and so forth . . . >> >> now the reason why I asked this question is because I searched through >> the documentation under DUPLICATE and COPY . . . >> >> now, maybe I'm thick, or maybe it just didn't occur to me to look for >> CLONE; >> >> by why would it? > > Because it's included in the See Also list for the "copy" command. > How many people are going to read a set of documentation in such close detail? I program as an exercise in pure poetry, as artistic expression; and how many painters do you know who read everything written on the tubes of paint?????? Especially the "see also" bits at the bottom of the 'tube'. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat May 29 17:15:56 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 14:15:56 -0700 Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: <4C01812C.30307@gmail.com> References: <4C017EFE.8020502@fourthworld.com> <4C01812C.30307@gmail.com> Message-ID: My personal experience with looking at the 'see also' links is that they are incredibly valuable when working with previously unknown functions, properties or commands. I look at "see also" every time I am looking up a definition or syntax and learn of alternate ways to do the same thing, or something new altogether. A learning experience every time. On 29 May 2010 14:03, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 29/05/2010 23:54, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> >> > How many people are going to read a set of documentation in such close > detail? > > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 29 17:25:20 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 00:25:20 +0300 Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: References: <4C017EFE.8020502@fourthworld.com> <4C01812C.30307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C018640.6010703@gmail.com> On 30/05/2010 00:15, stephen barncard wrote: > My personal experience with looking at the 'see also' links is that they are > incredibly valuable when working with previously unknown functions, > properties or commands. I look at "see also" every time I am looking up a > definition or syntax and learn of alternate ways to do the same thing, or > something new altogether. A learning experience every time. Well; thanks to you and Richard I think I will change my approach to the Documentation . . . :) > On 29 May 2010 14:03, Richmond Mathewsonwrote: > >> On 29/05/2010 23:54, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >>> >> How many people are going to read a set of documentation in such close >> detail? >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From scott at tactilemedia.com Sat May 29 17:26:52 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 14:26:52 -0700 Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: <4C01812C.30307@gmail.com> Message-ID: Recently, Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> >>> Now; while I'm on this particular soap-box let me have "a go" at the >>> RunRev documentation: >>> >>> the other day I asked a question about how to duplicate a card with all >>> its controls, >>> scripts and so forth . . . >>> >>> now the reason why I asked this question is because I searched through >>> the documentation under DUPLICATE and COPY . . . >>> >>> now, maybe I'm thick, or maybe it just didn't occur to me to look for >>> CLONE; >>> >>> by why would it? >> >> Because it's included in the See Also list for the "copy" command. >> > > How many people are going to read a set of documentation in such close > detail? So you're implying the documentation is not good enough because you choose not to read it. Hmmm. > I program as an exercise in pure poetry, as artistic expression; and how > many > painters do you know who read everything written on the tubes of paint?????? > > Especially the "see also" bits at the bottom of the 'tube'. To be fair, "See Also" is the 3rd block down in the docs, pretty well "above the fold". And if your tube of paint required an operating system to run, shipped with dozens of example tubes and documentation describing how best to apply the paint, explaining what media are most suitable for the paint, then it seems pretty likely you would crack open the docs at some point. Please. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat May 29 17:48:44 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 00:48:44 +0300 Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C018BBC.5040604@gmail.com> On 30/05/2010 00:26, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > >>> Richmond Mathewson wrote: >>> >>>> Now; while I'm on this particular soap-box let me have "a go" at the >>>> RunRev documentation: >>>> >>>> the other day I asked a question about how to duplicate a card with all >>>> its controls, >>>> scripts and so forth . . . >>>> >>>> now the reason why I asked this question is because I searched through >>>> the documentation under DUPLICATE and COPY . . . >>>> >>>> now, maybe I'm thick, or maybe it just didn't occur to me to look for >>>> CLONE; >>>> >>>> by why would it? >>> Because it's included in the See Also list for the "copy" command. >>> >> How many people are going to read a set of documentation in such close >> detail? > So you're implying the documentation is not good enough because you choose > not to read it. Hmmm. > > >> I program as an exercise in pure poetry, as artistic expression; and how >> many >> painters do you know who read everything written on the tubes of paint?????? >> >> Especially the "see also" bits at the bottom of the 'tube'. > To be fair, "See Also" is the 3rd block down in the docs, pretty well "above > the fold". And if your tube of paint required an operating system to run, > shipped with dozens of example tubes and documentation describing how best > to apply the paint, explaining what media are most suitable for the paint, > then it seems pretty likely you would crack open the docs at some point. Point to you . . . :) I, honestly, find that continually looking up things in the documentation can get so stifling it cramps all the other thought patterns necessary to program effectively. > Please. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sundown at pacifier.com Sat May 29 18:02:52 2010 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 15:02:52 -0700 Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: <4C011049.3070506@fourthworld.com> References: <4C011049.3070506@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <7BBF1891-3749-4055-9233-A4000FA101A6@pacifier.com> They didn't even send me one. Ever since I complained about the last survey I don't get news letters anymore either. I have checked my spam folder. Not that it sounds like I am missing much I just thought I would let you know now that you have complained you might be on the wrong list or off the depending on how it works. -=>JB<=- On May 29, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Joe F. wrote: > > > I'm in the middle of taking this new survey when I realized that 1 > > is "most important" and 5 "least important" > > That's exactly backwards from every survey I've ever seen. > > Hint: 5 is greater than 1. ;) > > I wonder how many other results are as invalid as mine were because > of that unusual scale.... > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat May 29 18:56:47 2010 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 15:56:47 -0700 Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: References: <4C017EFE.8020502@fourthworld.com> <4C01812C.30307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4923766750.20100529155647@ahsoftware.net> stephen- Saturday, May 29, 2010, 2:15:56 PM, you wrote: > My personal experience with looking at the 'see also' links is that they are > incredibly valuable when working with previously unknown functions, I often find that the "see also" links get me where I wanted to go, rather than my first guess at what I thought I wanted... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From calhorner at xtra.co.nz Sat May 29 20:03:04 2010 From: calhorner at xtra.co.nz (Cal Horner) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 12:03:04 +1200 (New Zealand Standard Time) Subject: Survey Caution Message-ID: <4C01AB32.000003.02416@CALS_BIG_PC> Being "Cack-handed", I had no trouble at all. From massung at gmail.com Sat May 29 20:20:55 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 19:20:55 -0500 Subject: Datagrid for tree view? In-Reply-To: <398F2F04-93CB-4709-8048-9B8B1319460E@derbrill.de> References: <20100526170005.B23C4288604@mail.runrev.com> <398F2F04-93CB-4709-8048-9B8B1319460E@derbrill.de> Message-ID: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote: > I can wholeheartedly recommend the data tree control on revSelect: > > http://runrev.com/products/related-software/data-tree/ > > I like it very much. :-) > > Thanks for the link. Downloaded, tried, and was pleasantly surprised how well it works. Just purchased it. Honestly, I wish simple libraries like this were just "native" controls in Rev, but this was well done. Jeff M. From massung at gmail.com Sat May 29 20:32:13 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 19:32:13 -0500 Subject: Behavior changing layer Message-ID: So, got an interesting "bug" here, wondering if someone knows what's up. I had a bunch of buttons. Each of them shared the same behavior, which changes some graphical effects on mouseDown, but also sets the layer of the button clicked to "top" (it does this because they are all butt up against each other and I want the border of the button clicked to pop out). Everything's fine at this point. Later on I decide I want all these buttons as part of a group so I can hide/show them all at the same time very easily. So, I group them under the group "Toolbar". But, now the behavior script no longer works. It dies when trying to set the layer of the button clicked. I assume this is because the button is in a group and I can only change the group's layer. But, is there a way for me to change the layer of the button within the group? I'm not sure if all I need to do is put the behavior button within the group as well, but I'd rather not as I have other controls using this as a behavior as well. Thoughts? Thanks! Jeff M. From massung at gmail.com Sat May 29 21:20:04 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 20:20:04 -0500 Subject: Example of scrolling group? Message-ID: Anyone have a good example of how to make a group that scrolls (like the data grid)? I haven't seen anything in the User's Guide or on the RunRev site - although I could have missed it. Thanks! Jeff M. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat May 29 21:49:11 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 18:49:11 -0700 Subject: Example of scrolling group? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Make the group show the inspector for the group set the hscrollbar and or vscrollbar checkbox On 29 May 2010 18:20, Jeff Massung wrote: > Anyone have a good example of how to make a group that scrolls (like the > data grid)? I haven't seen anything in the User's Guide or on the RunRev > site - although I could have missed it. > > Thanks! > > Jeff M. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat May 29 22:39:21 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 12:39:21 +1000 Subject: Behavior changing layer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > But, now the behavior script no longer works. It dies when trying to set the > layer of the button clicked. I assume this is because the button is in a > group and I can only change the group's layer. But, is there a way for me to > change the layer of the button within the group? You can override this by setting the relayerGroupedControls to true but just be careful them that you don't layer the objects right out of the group. Cheers, Sarah From joef1 at mac.com Sun May 30 02:35:38 2010 From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 02:35:38 -0400 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7E10B285-5C78-4412-9D9C-3606EC88066C@mac.com> Thanks Stephen. Tried it and it asked me to install Rosetta- so I found HexEdit 2.2. Looks pretty good. On May 29, 2010, at 12:46 AM, stephen barncard wrote: > Joe, here's a good Mac Hex editor > > http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Developer-Tools/HexEditor.shtml > > (free) From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Sun May 30 02:37:20 2010 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 01:37:20 -0500 Subject: revMobile and SDK Message-ID: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FCEF@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca> I have a question for the group. I've been reading about the recent changes to the Apple SDK for the last couple of hours (here and on Appleinsider) and one thing I don't understand is how Apple can actually do this? Is it only for products that are intended to be marketed through the app store? If you choose to market your product through some other means do they still have any say over how you develop your application? Seems nuts or illegal to me. -- Mark From joef1 at mac.com Sun May 30 02:56:15 2010 From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 02:56:15 -0400 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: <1B27F6E5-D2E4-4426-AE3E-229C5E7CCC5D@economy-x-talk.com> References: <1B27F6E5-D2E4-4426-AE3E-229C5E7CCC5D@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <05DD6BBD-C06B-457B-9D94-40704D7C8154@mac.com> Right, empties all. Also interesting, I could only getResources from the files I created with Rev. I was pretty sure I had seen all those working in someone else's stack. I thought maybe "open for binary read" might work, but no. Could this be something that was once working and is now broken in 4.5-dp2? On May 29, 2010, at 3:53 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Joe, > > As I explained in my original e-mail, your example creates the resources, but doesn't write the actual data. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 29 mei 2010, at 04:58, Joe F. wrote: > >> I don't know about all that. I just moved to snow leopard so I don't even know if I have a hex editor available. >> If I open the file it looks empty; but I wouldn't know about resource fork reading on OS X, they all look like flat files to me. >> >> Here's the script I used in a button that creates the file with 2 resources,then retrieves them to a field named "Notes": >> >> on mouseUp >> >> -- Create file first >> put empty into URL "binfile:~/desktop/resource test.dat" >> get setResource("~/desktop/resource test.dat","TEXT",999,"Test","U","Hello World") >> get setResource("~/desktop/resource test.dat","MARK",999,"Test","U","Hello World2") >> put getResources("~/desktop/resource test.dat") into fld "Notes" >> end mouseUp >> >> Maybe they're not "real" resources; only some kind of special "rev" resources? > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sun May 30 04:53:38 2010 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:53:38 +0100 Subject: revMobile and SDK In-Reply-To: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FCEF@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca> References: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FCEF@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca> Message-ID: <6D1906AB-410E-41A9-9D06-3C0B47C50388@azurevision.co.uk> On 30 May 2010, at 07:37, Mark Smith wrote: > I have a question for the group. I've been reading about the recent > changes to the Apple SDK for the last couple of hours (here and on > Appleinsider) and one thing I don't understand is how Apple can > actually do this? Is it only for products that are intended to be > marketed through the app store? If you choose to market your product > through some other means do they still have any say over how you > develop your application? Seems nuts or illegal to me. The App Store is the only public distribution channel for Apple's mobile devices, outside the enterprise market there's no way to 'sideload' apps other than HTML5 webapps. Maybe nuts, but there doesn't appear to be anything illegal about it. Ian From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun May 30 05:06:12 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:06:12 +0200 Subject: revMobile and SDK In-Reply-To: <6D1906AB-410E-41A9-9D06-3C0B47C50388@azurevision.co.uk> References: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FCEF@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca> <6D1906AB-410E-41A9-9D06-3C0B47C50388@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <9BCDF10A-903E-4632-9732-8BFDF565DF8B@economy-x-talk.com> Ian and Mark, I expect the European Commission to "discover" that keeping competitors' apps out of the app store (e.g. http://qurl.tk/be ) solely because they're competitors' apps is illegal, but that may take another decade. Whether the EC will recognise Apple's "technical" reasons to block Flash apps as artificial and hence illegal remains to be seen, but usually the EC is stricter than the US authorities when it comes to keeping the market competitive. In Europe, once you buy an iPhone, you can do with it whatever you like as long as you don't violate national laws. You're free to violate Apple's license conditions, but that means Apple can deny access to the App store (for now). -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 30 mei 2010, at 10:53, Ian Wood wrote: > > The App Store is the only public distribution channel for Apple's > mobile devices, outside the enterprise market there's no way to > 'sideload' apps other than HTML5 webapps. > > Maybe nuts, but there doesn't appear to be anything illegal about it. > > Ian From tkuypers at telenet.be Sun May 30 07:37:05 2010 From: tkuypers at telenet.be (tkuypers at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 13:37:05 +0200 Subject: RevMobile & Android Message-ID: <1424968C-4249-456F-BBC3-B5CDA8CAC218@telenet.be> Maybe I've missed it, but due to the decision of Apple and the result for RevMobile, what is the e.t.a. of RevMobile for Android? I just received my Sony Xperia X10 and I really want to start development for it... Met vriendelijke groeten, Warm Regards, Ton Kuypers +32 (0) 477 739 530 Aardbemden 11 ? B-2400 ? Mol ? Belgium www.publishingtools4u.com From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Sun May 30 08:40:44 2010 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 05:40:44 -0700 Subject: Behavior changing layer Message-ID: <15417e67f200a29c316295a9212b2e92@65.49.9.11> If you have a known number of buttons in the group you can set the layer to the layer of the group + the number of controls group - layer 10 - button 1 - layer 11 - button 2 - layer 12 - button 3 - layer 13 button script on mouseUp set the relayerGroupedControls to TRUE set the layer of me to (the layer of group "toolbar" + 3) end mouseUp From gspearson at gmail.com Sun May 30 08:54:06 2010 From: gspearson at gmail.com (Graham Pearson) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 08:54:06 -0400 Subject: Printing Assistance Message-ID: <4C025FEE.6070009@gmail.com> List: Due to our budget cuts in our industry that we have had for the past 2 years and looks to continue for the next few years, I have been learning RunRev to enhance my skill set and have been creating applications for use in K-12 Education. My question is what are some ways I can print a DataGrid that has been populated from a Web Service I provide with my Online Resource on School Delays and Closings. I have been slowly moving all of my Flex/Flash Applications over to RunRev. I have been searching google for related information and just have not found the right resource. I have even tried the trial of Quantium Reports and could not rap my head around the concept since I learn from examples. From billziegler at mac.com Sun May 30 10:49:17 2010 From: billziegler at mac.com (Bill Ziegler) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:49:17 -0400 Subject: rev stacks on the iPad Message-ID: I have tried to follow all the threads on revMobile and running rev apps on the iPad. My question may have already been answered but I missed it. I am an assistive technology consultant in Pennsylvania and use runRev stacks to support students with disabilities. Apple's locking out revMobile is frustrating and disheartening. The iPad has a unique cool factor with students who would otherwise shun a device for fear of looking different. It could provide, when paired with runRev, a portable/ programmable environment allowing teachers to adapt curriculum on the fly while the student is seated among their peers. My question is this; Is it possible to tether the iPad to a Mac or PC, using Bluetooth or Wifi (not Internet), located in the same room. Essentially the iPad would act as a touch interface AND display for the host computer, respond with little delay and channel any audio through the iPad. I don't have experience with ipad remote apps but have read that the "logmein" app doesn't transmit audio to the iPad. Thanks, Bill Sent from my iPad From massung at gmail.com Sun May 30 11:07:26 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:07:26 -0500 Subject: Clone + group question Message-ID: Sorry, I've been searching the forums and this list (and the docs) and while I know I've come across it before, I just can't seem to find it at the moment... I have an existing group. And, I'm cloning some objects that I want to programmatically add to that group. How do I do this? Thanks! Jeff M. From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 30 11:15:50 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:15:50 -0400 Subject: rev stacks on the iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 30, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Bill Ziegler wrote: > Is it possible to tether the iPad to a Mac or PC, using Bluetooth or Wifi (not Internet), located in the same room. Essentially the iPad would act as a touch interface AND display for the host computer, respond with little delay and channel any audio through the iPad. Although that could well work, it increases the requirements for someone to get things going, and wouldn't be so useful when you're away from home. Another option would be to make it in Rev and install it onto the users iPads. You would only be able to do that on 100 iPads, but might that still be of use? How large is your PA disabled student iPad owning market? The main difficulty there would be only using Rev features that work on the iPad, and with them changing their development away from iPad, it may stay frozen in its current state. Ideally, as they develop for mobile in general, they should keep testing on iPad, in the hope that one day it will be legal in the App Store, and in the meantime people like us can use it for personal use. If you do want to pursue the idea of using it as a remote touch screen, look at this App: http://antecea.com/products/desktop-connect.html It works well enough, and can even operate across the world if you have a gmail account. From massung at gmail.com Sun May 30 11:17:53 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:17:53 -0500 Subject: Clone + group question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nevermind, just found it... start editing [group] and stop editing [group]. Next question, though, as a follow-up: Once I say start editing group, I get errors about not being able to find the group I want to clone (can't find background group, or something of that nature). Any hints? Jeff M. From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sun May 30 11:22:16 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:22:16 -0400 Subject: rev stacks on the iPad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 05/30/2010 at 10:49 AM, Bill Ziegler wrote: > I have tried to follow all the threads on revMobile and running rev > apps on the iPad. > My question may have already been answered but I missed it. I am an > assistive technology consultant in Pennsylvania and use runRev stacks > to support students with disabilities. Apple's locking out revMobile > is frustrating and disheartening. The iPad has a unique cool factor > with students who would otherwise shun a device for fear of looking > different. It could provide, when paired with runRev, a portable/ > programmable environment allowing teachers to adapt curriculum on the > fly while the student is seated among their peers. Bill, I applaud your efforts in working FOR kids with disabilities. Several years ago, I had some experience with the AlphaSmart for my own child. I managed to convince then to allow the use of a pocket WinCE device because the OS was similar to the classroom PCs, which made the learning curve less than with the AS. The AS wasn't that bad, but I can see how intuitive software on touch devices like the iPad and Android tablets will make a huge difference. > My question is this; > Is it possible to tether the iPad to a Mac or PC, using Bluetooth or > Wifi (not Internet), located in the same room. Essentially the iPad > would act as a touch interface AND display for the host computer, > respond with little delay and channel any audio through the iPad. > > I don't have experience with ipad remote apps but have read that the > "logmein" app doesn't transmit audio to the iPad. There are many ports of VNC for most OSs. I don't remember for sure whether audio is included or not. I know that RDP for Windows can pass through audio. > > Thanks, > Bill > > Sent from my iPad It is too bad that developers may have to tip-toe around Apple "LAW" to help children, but this is what I see... Rev has stated that Enterprise customers can develop apps for internal use within their own company. These apps will not be sold. Therefore, if a school system wants to help kids with disabilities, they could staff a Rev developer, and maintain an enterprise license of RevMobile. Am I missing something here? ~Roger Eller From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 30 11:28:21 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:28:21 -0400 Subject: Clone + group question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60671226-33F2-41E7-868B-7FE1376D66BF@verizon.net> On May 30, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Jeff Massung wrote: > Nevermind, just found it... start editing [group] and stop editing > [group]. Next question, though, as a follow-up: Do you know that you can directly clone something that is in a group, and the clone is also in that group? Without needing to do the start editing part. From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 30 11:34:20 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:34:20 -0400 Subject: rev stacks on the iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57CBD0E5-E025-4EC7-97ED-E22CF6666592@verizon.net> On May 30, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: > It is too bad that developers may have to tip-toe around Apple "LAW" to > help children, but this is what I see... Rev has stated that Enterprise > customers can develop apps for internal use within their own company. Just to make one thing clear, at least I believe this is the case, the Enterprise referred to is Apple's one, not Rev's one. Making an iPad App using Rev Enterprise does not give you the rights to then distribute the App across your organization. To get that right you have to be an Enterprise iPhone Developer. Here's an info page on that program: http://developer.apple.com/programs/iphone/enterprise/ From massung at gmail.com Sun May 30 11:41:57 2010 From: massung at gmail.com (Jeff Massung) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:41:57 -0500 Subject: Clone + group question In-Reply-To: <60671226-33F2-41E7-868B-7FE1376D66BF@verizon.net> References: <60671226-33F2-41E7-868B-7FE1376D66BF@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > > On May 30, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Jeff Massung wrote: > > > Nevermind, just found it... start editing [group] and stop editing > > [group]. Next question, though, as a follow-up: > > > Do you know that you can directly clone something that is in a group, and > the clone is also in that group? Without needing to do the start editing > part. > That just saved me some time. Thanks. ;-) Jef M. From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sun May 30 12:20:48 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 12:20:48 -0400 Subject: rev stacks on the iPad In-Reply-To: <57CBD0E5-E025-4EC7-97ED-E22CF6666592@verizon.net> Message-ID: Colin Holgate wrote: > Here's an info page on that program: > > http://developer.apple.com/programs/iphone/enterprise/ Thanks for clarifying whos enterprise they refer to. ~Roger Eller From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sun May 30 12:42:36 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 12:42:36 -0400 Subject: rev stacks on the iPad [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 05/30/2010 at 10:49 AM, Bill Ziegler wrote: > My question is this; > Is it possible to tether the iPad to a Mac or PC, using Bluetooth or > Wifi (not Internet), located in the same room. Essentially the iPad > would act as a touch interface AND display for the host computer, > respond with little delay and channel any audio through the iPad. > > I don't have experience with ipad remote apps but have read that the > "logmein" app doesn't transmit audio to the iPad. I just realized this may be over-complicated by thinking you have to use 'software' for audio. If the computer is in the same classroom, why not just use off-the-shelf wireless headphones with the transmitter connected to the PC in the room. The rev app will work normally, including audio, but the display will simply be a remote session on the iPad (uh-umm, or Android tablet) device. If course, after testing and finding out there is display lag, you may need to incorporate an appropriate audio delay in your app to compensate. ~Roger Eller From billziegler at mac.com Sun May 30 12:43:00 2010 From: billziegler at mac.com (William Ziegler) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 12:43:00 -0400 Subject: Rev Stacks on the iPad Message-ID: I don't think the Enterprise route will go over well. I write the software at home at night, weekends and summer as more of a hobby than as part of my job. I have more control over giving it away this way. I have some posted on my on-Rev page so any school or parents can download them for free. www.billziegler.com <> I forgot to mention. Most of the school districts I work with will not allow wireless access at this time and 3g connections are spotty deep in the schools. I was hoping to directly connect to a computer physically located in the same classroom. Bill From bvg at mac.com Sun May 30 12:48:37 2010 From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 18:48:37 +0200 Subject: Survey Caution In-Reply-To: <4923766750.20100529155647@ahsoftware.net> References: <4C017EFE.8020502@fourthworld.com> <4C01812C.30307@gmail.com> <4923766750.20100529155647@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <13EAF944-F68F-4B64-9B8F-3156C61FACF0@mac.com> The "see also" links are the single most important part of the documentation. they beat the description itself. It's a shame that RunRev somewhen decided to put them inline into the field (i think it was in rev 2.2), where they're hard to find (variable positioning below other, less important stuff). The main reason I made BvG Docu was to get decent usage out of see also. Although slightly less feature laden then the build in way to look at the documentation, I still prefer it due to this single difference. It can be downloaded from my site, . On 30 May 2010, at 00:56, Mark Wieder wrote: > stephen- > > Saturday, May 29, 2010, 2:15:56 PM, you wrote: > >> My personal experience with looking at the 'see also' links is that they are >> incredibly valuable when working with previously unknown functions, > > I often find that the "see also" links get me where I wanted to go, > rather than my first guess at what I thought I wanted... -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev" From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 30 13:14:54 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 13:14:54 -0400 Subject: Rev Stacks on the iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just did a test with Desktop Connect. Bad news - sure enough, audio isn't sent over the network. Good news - you can do a direct WiFi network from the computer to the iPad, and connect to the machine that way. Unfortunately BlueTooth doesn't work out, the computer thinks that the iPad is a BlueTooth headset. I used the Keywords application to test it, and felt cheated when I failed by saying: "the fish" "is looking" "for food". I mean, it looked hungry to me! From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sun May 30 13:26:49 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 13:26:49 -0400 Subject: Rev Stacks on the iPad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Colin Holgate wrote: > I just did a test with Desktop Connect. Bad news - sure enough, > audio isn't sent over the network. Good news - you can do a direct > WiFi network from the computer to the iPad, and connect to the > machine that way. Unfortunately BlueTooth doesn't work out, the > computer thinks that the iPad is a BlueTooth headset. Too bad he said wi-fi may not be an optioin either. Does the iPad have a wired ethernet port? > > I used the Keywords application to test it, and felt cheated when > I failed by saying: "the fish" "is looking" "for food". I mean, it > looked hungry to me! LOL! I tried that one too. The rewards videos are cool. ~Roger Eller From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sun May 30 13:27:27 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rev Stacks on the iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1275240447491-2236419.post@n4.nabble.com> "I was hoping to directly connect to a computer physically located in the same classroom. " Does it have any wired connections? The reviews seemed to say that it had neither ethernet nor usb. So this sounds fairly hopeless. First there is no supported version of Rev. Second, there is no way of distributing the app to the users even if there were a supported version of Rev. Third, there is no way of connecting physically to another machine to run the app remotely. The task (which is our task also in a situation with some similarities) then just becomes to tell the parents clearly in advance that the iPad has deliberately been made useless by the manufacturer for this particular purpose. It is 'defective by design'. Buy something from a supplier who has tried to make it possible to install any software you want, and to connect via ethernet or usb to other devices. There is no shortage of them. Our situation is a bit reminiscent, the application needs usb disk mode for mp3 players, so iPods can't be used with it. We are running Linux, and we can't run iTunes, and will not try and support gktpod. The answer is a large notice saying that Apple, for reasons best known to itself, has removed the functionality necessary to use this application from its recent models, so we do not support iPods. Sorry. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/rev-stacks-on-the-iPad-tp2236312p2236419.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 30 13:33:48 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 13:33:48 -0400 Subject: Rev Stacks on the iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 30, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: > Too bad he said wi-fi may not be an optioin either. Does the iPad have a > wired ethernet port? I took his "direct connect" comment to mean a direct connect to the computer, but not strictly specifying a cable. I'm sure he knows that iPads don't have Ethernet, and it's debatable whether it has USB, so I deduced that he meant a direct wireless connection. And that's what I tested. The non-WiFi comment was, I think, referring to there being no Internet connection via WiFi, or even a general WiFi network. That wouldn't prevent you from connecting to the wireless of an individual computer. From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 30 13:44:22 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 13:44:22 -0400 Subject: Rev Stacks on the iPad In-Reply-To: <1275240447491-2236419.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275240447491-2236419.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1115710E-8970-4A21-B413-D6E23A32F648@verizon.net> On the Linux/MP3/iPod front, you could have a Rev stack in Linux that creates the MP3s, and then you play those on the mobile device via the url of the file, if it's web shared. That works for iPad for iPhone, and probably iPod Touch. It even continues to play the audio if you have pressed the off button to turn off the display. For what that's worth. From rman at free.fr Sun May 30 13:45:39 2010 From: rman at free.fr (Robert Mann) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: rev stacks on the iPad In-Reply-To: <57CBD0E5-E025-4EC7-97ED-E22CF6666592@verizon.net> References: <57CBD0E5-E025-4EC7-97ED-E22CF6666592@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1275241539393-2236431.post@n4.nabble.com> I just asked precisions from runrev ------------ Sorry to bother, but.. would it be possible to precise what the actual revIphone license does allow and does not! It could interest all parties member of the revMobile beta program. WHat I understood was : - prototyping, testing and expanding with object interface library sharing - is it ok to try as an individual to propose such an app for the apple store?? - is it ok te privately distribute outside the iphone app (eg several iphones in an enterprise, not member of the "iphone enterprise program" thanks ------------ Robert M -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/rev-stacks-on-the-iPad-tp2236312p2236431.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 30 13:48:28 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 13:48:28 -0400 Subject: rev stacks on the iPad In-Reply-To: <1275241539393-2236431.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <57CBD0E5-E025-4EC7-97ED-E22CF6666592@verizon.net> <1275241539393-2236431.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: On May 30, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Robert Mann wrote: > - is it ok to try as an individual to propose such an app for the apple > store?? > - is it ok te privately distribute outside the iphone app (eg several > iphones in an enterprise, not member of the "iphone enterprise program" It'll be interesting to see what they say, but if as I suspect the answer is No to those two questions, you still have the option of running the stack on up to 100 devices, using the non-enterprise iPhone license. So, the answer the the last question should be Yes up to 100 devices, and No for above 100 devices. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun May 30 15:30:28 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 12:30:28 -0700 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: <05DD6BBD-C06B-457B-9D94-40704D7C8154@mac.com> References: <1B27F6E5-D2E4-4426-AE3E-229C5E7CCC5D@economy-x-talk.com> <05DD6BBD-C06B-457B-9D94-40704D7C8154@mac.com> Message-ID: Perhaps the problem is Snow Leopard - We should assume the old resource fork is officially unsupported and not working in SN. They've been planning on removing resource forks from files for a decade. Back in the hypercard days, one could use the resource fork like today's custom properties in Rev. I would store text, sounds, binaries, images as resources. I remember the resource system wasn't as robust as Rev as far as file integrity; there would be occasional problems with resources, but it worked pretty well. Have you tried this on another machine, perhaps one running Tiger or below? On 29 May 2010 23:56, Joe F. wrote: > Right, empties all. > Also interesting, I could only getResources from the files I created with > Rev. > > I was pretty sure I had seen all those working in someone else's stack. > I thought maybe "open for binary read" might work, but no. > > Could this be something that was once working and is now broken in 4.5-dp2? > > On May 29, 2010, at 3:53 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > As I explained in my original e-mail, your example creates the resources, > but doesn't write the actual data. > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > > > Mark Schonewille > > > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote > http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and > share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > > > On 29 mei 2010, at 04:58, Joe F. wrote: > > > >> I don't know about all that. I just moved to snow leopard so I don't > even know if I have a hex editor available. > >> If I open the file it looks empty; but I wouldn't know about resource > fork reading on OS X, they all look like flat files to me. > >> > >> Here's the script I used in a button that creates the file with 2 > resources,then retrieves them to a field named "Notes": > >> > >> on mouseUp > >> > >> -- Create file first > >> put empty into URL "binfile:~/desktop/resource test.dat" > >> get setResource("~/desktop/resource > test.dat","TEXT",999,"Test","U","Hello World") > >> get setResource("~/desktop/resource > test.dat","MARK",999,"Test","U","Hello World2") > >> put getResources("~/desktop/resource test.dat") into fld "Notes" > >> end mouseUp > >> > >> Maybe they're not "real" resources; only some kind of special "rev" > resources? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun May 30 15:37:04 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 21:37:04 +0200 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: References: <1B27F6E5-D2E4-4426-AE3E-229C5E7CCC5D@economy-x-talk.com> <05DD6BBD-C06B-457B-9D94-40704D7C8154@mac.com> Message-ID: <4C26E59F-10D2-4FE0-84E1-05C7DED13E7D@economy-x-talk.com> Stephen, From my first e-mail on this topic: > I am trying to use the setResource function, but it doesn't work. I > tried it with Rev 4.0 on Mac OS X 10.5 and Rev 2.6.1 on Mac OS > 9.2.2. With both systems, I get the same result: the resource is > created (including ID, name and flags, but the data are not written > to it. Perhaps I should add that Mac OS 9.2.2 wasn't running in Classic or in an emulator. I used Mac OS 9.2.2 to boot the machine. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 30 mei 2010, at 21:30, stephen barncard wrote: > Perhaps the problem is Snow Leopard - > We should assume the old resource fork is officially unsupported and > not > working in SN. They've been planning on removing resource forks from > files > for a decade. > Back in the hypercard days, one could use the resource fork like > today's > custom properties in Rev. I would store text, sounds, binaries, > images as > resources. > I remember the resource system wasn't as robust as Rev as far as file > integrity; there would be occasional problems with resources, but it > worked > pretty well. > > Have you tried this on another machine, perhaps one running Tiger or > below? > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun May 30 15:40:06 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 12:40:06 -0700 Subject: Behavior changing layer In-Reply-To: <15417e67f200a29c316295a9212b2e92@65.49.9.11> References: <15417e67f200a29c316295a9212b2e92@65.49.9.11> Message-ID: Chipp Walters has an intuitive tool that makes sense and allows safe changing of layers, especially within groups. I can't find the individual plugin online today, but I assume it's included in his alt plugins toolbar download . On 30 May 2010 05:40, Shao Sean wrote: > > If you have a known number of buttons in the group you can set the layer > to the layer of the group + the number of controls > > group - layer 10 > - button 1 - layer 11 > - button 2 - layer 12 > - button 3 - layer 13 > > > button script > > on mouseUp > set the relayerGroupedControls to TRUE > set the layer of me to (the layer of group "toolbar" + 3) > end mouseUp > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From billziegler at mac.com Sun May 30 15:40:33 2010 From: billziegler at mac.com (Bill Ziegler) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 15:40:33 -0400 Subject: Re rev stacks on the ipad Message-ID: Sorry gang, I should have written wirelessly though Bluetooth or wifi directly to a classroom computer, not over the Internet. Bill Sent from my iPhone From coiin at verizon.net Sun May 30 15:49:42 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 15:49:42 -0400 Subject: Re rev stacks on the ipad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 30, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Bill Ziegler wrote: > Sorry gang, I should have written wirelessly though Bluetooth or wifi directly to a classroom computer, not over the Internet. Yes, and that was what I tested, and it works with a wifi connection but not the bluetooth one. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun May 30 15:52:55 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 12:52:55 -0700 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: <4C26E59F-10D2-4FE0-84E1-05C7DED13E7D@economy-x-talk.com> References: <1B27F6E5-D2E4-4426-AE3E-229C5E7CCC5D@economy-x-talk.com> <05DD6BBD-C06B-457B-9D94-40704D7C8154@mac.com> <4C26E59F-10D2-4FE0-84E1-05C7DED13E7D@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: How odd. I remember using the Rev resource calls to try and recover and convert some audio resources in old stack. I think I ended up using SoundEdit to recover the audio resources, so it must have not been successful in rev. I noticed you want to write as well as read resources. May I ask why you want to even use this unsupported technology today, and why your problem can't be accomplished with custom properties? sqb On 30 May 2010 12:37, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Stephen, > > From my first e-mail on this topic: > > > I am trying to use the setResource function, but it doesn't work. I tried >> it with Rev 4.0 on Mac OS X 10.5 and Rev 2.6.1 on Mac OS 9.2.2. With both >> systems, I get the same result: the resource is created (including ID, name >> and flags, but the data are not written to it. >> > > Perhaps I should add that Mac OS 9.2.2 wasn't running in Classic or in an > emulator. I used Mac OS 9.2.2 to boot the machine. > > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote > http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share > the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 30 mei 2010, at 21:30, stephen barncard wrote: > > Perhaps the problem is Snow Leopard - >> We should assume the old resource fork is officially unsupported and not >> working in SN. They've been planning on removing resource forks from files >> for a decade. >> Back in the hypercard days, one could use the resource fork like today's >> custom properties in Rev. I would store text, sounds, binaries, images as >> resources. >> I remember the resource system wasn't as robust as Rev as far as file >> integrity; there would be occasional problems with resources, but it >> worked >> pretty well. >> >> Have you tried this on another machine, perhaps one running Tiger or >> below? >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Sun May 30 15:53:35 2010 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 21:53:35 +0200 Subject: revMobile and SDK In-Reply-To: <9BCDF10A-903E-4632-9732-8BFDF565DF8B@economy-x-talk.com> References: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FCEF@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca> <6D1906AB-410E-41A9-9D06-3C0B47C50388@azurevision.co.uk> <9BCDF10A-903E-4632-9732-8BFDF565DF8B@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <56F96F70-93E6-47AD-A161-9C4110C37D90@mines-paristech.fr> In France, the Competition council stated that it was illegal for Orange to be the sole distributor of the iPhone. If I recall correctly, the complaint was issued by Bouygues Telecom, whose CEO, incidentally, is a close friend of Nicolas Sarkozy. The consequence was a sharp increase in the overall number of sold iPhones. There no official complaint whatsoever in France as for the way apps are distributed to the iPhone. After all, the iPhone is not in a position of dominance in the market of mobile phones, or even smartphones. It only has set some trends. In my opinion, Apple has the same right to govern the distribution channels for the very devices is sells, much like it has the right to bind the sale of Mac OS X to the sale of a Macintosh. It is their own product in both cases, and neither is in a position of such dominance that it can be a threat to competition. As far as I can tell, the commercialization of the iPhone has resulted in an overall increase of "smartphones" at the expense of traditional mobile phones. So, in the point of view of the EU, it is not a threat to competition, and, if I understand the US rules, it has been beneficial to the consumer, so, even if Apple had a position of dominance, it would not be illegal by US rules (is that right?) I my opinion, much more questionable is the way Apple manipulates the market of NAND memory chips, but this is not a high profile issue. Best regards, Fran?ois Le 30 mai 2010 ? 11:06, Mark Schonewille a ?crit : > Ian and Mark, > > I expect the European Commission to "discover" that keeping competitors' apps out of the app store (e.g. http://qurl.tk/be ) solely because they're competitors' apps is illegal, but that may take another decade. Whether the EC will recognise Apple's "technical" reasons to block Flash apps as artificial and hence illegal remains to be seen, but usually the EC is stricter than the US authorities when it comes to keeping the market competitive. In Europe, once you buy an iPhone, you can do with it whatever you like as long as you don't violate national laws. You're free to violate Apple's license conditions, but that means Apple can deny access to the App store (for now). > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 30 mei 2010, at 10:53, Ian Wood wrote: >> >> The App Store is the only public distribution channel for Apple's mobile devices, outside the enterprise market there's no way to 'sideload' apps other than HTML5 webapps. >> >> Maybe nuts, but there doesn't appear to be anything illegal about it. >> >> Ian > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Sun May 30 16:02:03 2010 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 22:02:03 +0200 Subject: [OT] revMobile and SDK In-Reply-To: <56F96F70-93E6-47AD-A161-9C4110C37D90@mines-paristech.fr> References: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FCEF@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca> <6D1906AB-410E-41A9-9D06-3C0B47C50388@azurevision.co.uk> <9BCDF10A-903E-4632-9732-8BFDF565DF8B@economy-x-talk.com> <56F96F70-93E6-47AD-A161-9C4110C37D90@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: I have reread my last post and, while I do think what I have said in it, I regret having posted it. there has been enough trolling on this. Very best Fran?ois From viktoras at ekoinf.net Sun May 30 16:12:05 2010 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 21:12:05 +0100 Subject: RevMobile & Android In-Reply-To: <1424968C-4249-456F-BBC3-B5CDA8CAC218@telenet.be> References: <1424968C-4249-456F-BBC3-B5CDA8CAC218@telenet.be> Message-ID: <4C02C695.5070002@ekoinf.net> I am not interested in iPhones or iPads anymore ;-) so I am about to buy Sony-Ericsson Xperia or one of the Android powered HTC phones that now are sold throughout the Europe (preferably the one with GPS). It would be really interesting and useful to know what point we are at with the RevMobile for Android platform. Viktoras tkuypers at telenet.be wrote: > Maybe I've missed it, but due to the decision of Apple and the result for RevMobile, what is the e.t.a. of RevMobile for Android? > I just received my Sony Xperia X10 and I really want to start development for it... > > > Met vriendelijke groeten, > Warm Regards, > > > > Ton Kuypers > +32 (0) 477 739 530 > > Aardbemden 11 ? B-2400 ? Mol ? Belgium > www.publishingtools4u.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun May 30 16:19:53 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 22:19:53 +0200 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: References: <1B27F6E5-D2E4-4426-AE3E-229C5E7CCC5D@economy-x-talk.com> <05DD6BBD-C06B-457B-9D94-40704D7C8154@mac.com> <4C26E59F-10D2-4FE0-84E1-05C7DED13E7D@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <79ADAB4E-F0BF-4D33-8B99-661F914D91FE@economy-x-talk.com> Stephen, I'm dealing with files that contain resource forks, not with stacks. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 30 mei 2010, at 21:52, stephen barncard wrote: > How odd. I remember using the Rev resource calls to try and recover > and > convert some audio resources in old stack. I think I ended up using > SoundEdit to recover the audio resources, so it must have not been > successful in rev. > > I noticed you want to write as well as read resources. May I ask why > you > want to even use this unsupported technology today, and why your > problem > can't be accomplished with custom properties? > > sqb From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun May 30 16:23:53 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 13:23:53 -0700 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: <79ADAB4E-F0BF-4D33-8B99-661F914D91FE@economy-x-talk.com> References: <1B27F6E5-D2E4-4426-AE3E-229C5E7CCC5D@economy-x-talk.com> <05DD6BBD-C06B-457B-9D94-40704D7C8154@mac.com> <4C26E59F-10D2-4FE0-84E1-05C7DED13E7D@economy-x-talk.com> <79ADAB4E-F0BF-4D33-8B99-661F914D91FE@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Right. My question was framed improperly I guess. If you were just trying to recover data in old Mac files, then one would only need to READ the resources, but you were talking about *writing*resources, and I was curious why one would want to sustain a discontinued (and broken) technology in a new application. No big deal. Inquiring minds... etc. On 30 May 2010 13:19, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Stephen, > > I'm dealing with files that contain resource forks, not with stacks. > > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote > http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share > the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 30 mei 2010, at 21:52, stephen barncard wrote: > > How odd. I remember using the Rev resource calls to try and recover and >> convert some audio resources in old stack. I think I ended up using >> SoundEdit to recover the audio resources, so it must have not been >> successful in rev. >> >> I noticed you want to write as well as read resources. May I ask why you >> want to even use this unsupported technology today, and why your problem >> can't be accomplished with custom properties? >> >> sqb >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun May 30 16:54:41 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 13:54:41 -0700 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Found it, Mark... It does work. One must CREATE a resource fork FIRST. I was working with Sarah's *Resource Copier* stack, but it had no facility to create a new fork in a virgin file, and in fact could not put resources into a blank text file.. (many) years ago I remember running into difficulty with HC on this matter at first. So I decided to create a single 'dummy' resource to get things going. Here's the code that brought the text file to life as a resource holder (run in the extended msg box) and using other parts set up in Sarah's stack: -- setResource(destinationFile,resourceType,[resID],[resName],flagsList,data) put fld "Dest" of card id 1002 of stack "ResourceCopier" into tDest put "This is a test text resource." into pData get setResource(tDest,"TEXT",128,"ResourceCreator",RL,pData) put it && the result (to see errs) I'm going add "CREATE RSRC FORK" button to my copy of Sarah's stack. THis test was run on a Mac G5 with Leopard 10.5.8 and Rev 4.5.2 On 27 May 2010 15:25, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi, > > For a new project, it is essential that I can read from and write to the > resource fork of a file. I am not looking for a way to copy resource forks. > > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun May 30 17:02:15 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 14:02:15 -0700 Subject: Writing to the resource fork Message-ID: <4C02D257.20405@fourthworld.com> stephen barncard wrote: > One must CREATE a resource fork FIRST. Does resfile work for that?: put empty into url ("resfile:"& tFilePath) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun May 30 17:04:28 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 14:04:28 -0700 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: <4C02D257.20405@fourthworld.com> References: <4C02D257.20405@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Perhaps "copyresource" is not working right. "setresource" seems to be working for me. On 30 May 2010 14:02, Richard Gaskin wrote: > stephen barncard wrote: > > One must CREATE a resource fork FIRST. >> > > Does resfile work for that?: > > put empty into url ("resfile:"& tFilePath) > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun May 30 17:28:31 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 14:28:31 -0700 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Perhaps setting the flags have something to do with these resources. RL seems to work. I'm not sure exactly what's going on here - I think it's possible to make this work, but we may have to "dance among the specs" to find out. On 30 May 2010 13:54, stephen barncard wrote: > > > -- > setResource(destinationFile,resourceType,[resID],[resName],flagsList,data) > > > put fld "Dest" of card id 1002 of stack "ResourceCopier" into tDest > > put "This is a test text resource." into pData > > get setResource(tDest,"TEXT",128,"ResourceCreator",RL,pData) > > > put it && the result (to see errs) > > > > I'm going add "CREATE RSRC FORK" button to my copy of Sarah's stack. > > > THis test was run on a Mac G5 with Leopard 10.5.8 and Rev 4.5.2 > > > On 27 May 2010 15:25, Mark Schonewille wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> For a new project, it is essential that I can read from and write to the >> resource fork of a file. I am not looking for a way to copy resource forks. >> >> -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From tkuypers at telenet.be Sun May 30 17:31:12 2010 From: tkuypers at telenet.be (tkuypers at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 23:31:12 +0200 Subject: RevMobile & Android In-Reply-To: <4C02C695.5070002@ekoinf.net> References: <1424968C-4249-456F-BBC3-B5CDA8CAC218@telenet.be> <4C02C695.5070002@ekoinf.net> Message-ID: I bought the same one, the Sony-Ericsson Xperia X10... I like it and I want to start developing for it... Met vriendelijke groeten, Ton Kuypers On 30-mei-2010, at 22:12, viktoras d. wrote: > I am not interested in iPhones or iPads anymore ;-) so I am about to buy Sony-Ericsson Xperia or one of the Android powered HTC phones that now are sold throughout the Europe (preferably the one with GPS). > > > It would be really interesting and useful to know what point we are at with the RevMobile for Android platform. > > Viktoras > From howard.bornstein at gmail.com Sun May 30 18:30:06 2010 From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 15:30:06 -0700 Subject: Problems setting a player object to an alias in a script Message-ID: I want to set a player object to an alias of an MP3 file. If I do it in a script, the player returns the message "could not create movie reference". However, if I set the player manually (i.e. by clicking the folder icon on property palette's source field) it takes the alias as a valid file. However, when selecting a file for the player manually, using the built-in dialog box, there is an Enable popup that defaults to Quicktime Movies. When this is selected, it is impossible to select an MP3 file. But if I change the popup to All Files, then I can choose the MP3. Apparently, when trying to do this via script, the MP3s are not available because All Files (or its equivalent) is not selected. How can I get access to all files using the "set filename of player n to [filename]" in Transcript? -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Sun May 30 19:36:51 2010 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 19:36:51 -0400 Subject: Re rev stacks on the ipad In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill Ziegler wrote: > Sorry gang, I should have written wirelessly though Bluetooth or wifi > directly to a classroom computer, not over the Internet. > > Bill Check out the video 1/3 down the page. When/if this ships, there will be no problem making Rev Apps for it. http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/30/exopc-slate-hands-on/ ~Roger Eller From mkoob at rogers.com Sun May 30 21:06:34 2010 From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 18:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Problems setting a player object to an alias in a script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1275267994428-2236746.post@n4.nabble.com> I was able to get an alias that pointed to an mp3 player to load in the player. I used the following script. on mouseUp answer file "Select the MP3 file." with type "MP3 files|mp3|Mp3 " set the filename of player "player" to it end mouseUp This allowed me to select the alias but when I checked the player with the property inspector the path was the path to the original. One thing I found was that if the alias has the word 'alias' at the end it would not work I had to make sure it ended with .mp3. If you want to make sure the open file dialog allows you to open mp3 files you have to put with type "MP3 files|mp3|Mp3 " Note there is a space before the final quote. Martin -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Problems-setting-a-player-object-to-an-alias-in-a-script-tp2236683p2236746.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From contact at kipmedia.com Sun May 30 22:43:36 2010 From: contact at kipmedia.com (chris livermore) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 12:43:36 +1000 Subject: RevMobile & Android In-Reply-To: References: <1424968C-4249-456F-BBC3-B5CDA8CAC218@telenet.be> <4C02C695.5070002@ekoinf.net> Message-ID: <650E9E75-34BB-490F-BE8A-32591A7226E0@kipmedia.com> I finally gave up my trusty mobile for a smartphone, Nexus One... iPhone just didn't cut it. On 31/05/2010, at 7:31 AM, tkuypers at telenet.be wrote: > I bought the same one, the Sony-Ericsson Xperia X10... I like it and > I want to start developing for it... > > > Met vriendelijke groeten, > > Ton Kuypers > > > > On 30-mei-2010, at 22:12, viktoras d. wrote: > >> I am not interested in iPhones or iPads anymore ;-) so I am about >> to buy Sony-Ericsson Xperia or one of the Android powered HTC >> phones that now are sold throughout the Europe (preferably the one >> with GPS). >> >> >> It would be really interesting and useful to know what point we are >> at with the RevMobile for Android platform. >> >> Viktoras >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Chris Livermore - Senior Project Manager www.kipmedia.com Mobile 0403 288 504 contact at kipmedia.com __________________________________________________ B.Sc., Dip.Biol.Sc., Dip.Prof.Comm (multimedia). - Scientific/Medical - multimedia education & training - online databases, websites, cd, dvd, video __________________________________________________ From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon May 31 02:01:49 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 23:01:49 -0700 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: <4C26E59F-10D2-4FE0-84E1-05C7DED13E7D@economy-x-talk.com> References: <1B27F6E5-D2E4-4426-AE3E-229C5E7CCC5D@economy-x-talk.com> <05DD6BBD-C06B-457B-9D94-40704D7C8154@mac.com> <4C26E59F-10D2-4FE0-84E1-05C7DED13E7D@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Mark - try my modified version of Troz's stack ( I hope it's ok, Sarah ) go stack URL(" http://fulton.barncard.com/downloads/ResourceCopier-20100530.rev") it 'copies' now by reading from one resource using getResource and setting the data to another on another file using setResource(). CopyResource does not seem to work but this does... I've copied resources to text files, and jpg files so far.. And by my copying resources between files, you have all the par I've changed my mind about using the resource fork today. I hope this feature can be used for a while. It might be quite handy for adding metadata to 'ordinary' looking text files. But only on Macs. These files will of course probably choke on PCs or will be separated into something else.... On 30 May 2010 12:37, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Stephen, > > From my first e-mail on this topic: > > > I am trying to use the setResource function, but it doesn't work. I tried >> it with Rev 4.0 on Mac OS X 10.5 and Rev 2.6.1 on Mac OS 9.2.2. With both >> systems, I get the same result: the resource is created (including ID, name >> and flags, but the data are not written to it. >> > > Perhaps I should add that Mac OS 9.2.2 wasn't running in Classic or in an > emulator. I used Mac OS 9.2.2 to boot the machine. > > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote > http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share > the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 30 mei 2010, at 21:30, stephen barncard wrote: > > Perhaps the problem is Snow Leopard - >> We should assume the old resource fork is officially unsupported and not >> working in SN. They've been planning on removing resource forks from files >> for a decade. >> Back in the hypercard days, one could use the resource fork like today's >> custom properties in Rev. I would store text, sounds, binaries, images as >> resources. >> I remember the resource system wasn't as robust as Rev as far as file >> integrity; there would be occasional problems with resources, but it >> worked >> pretty well. >> >> Have you tried this on another machine, perhaps one running Tiger or >> below? >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon May 31 02:17:47 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:17:47 +1000 Subject: Writing to the resource fork In-Reply-To: References: <1B27F6E5-D2E4-4426-AE3E-229C5E7CCC5D@economy-x-talk.com> <05DD6BBD-C06B-457B-9D94-40704D7C8154@mac.com> <4C26E59F-10D2-4FE0-84E1-05C7DED13E7D@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 4:01 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > Mark - try my modified version of Troz's stack ( I hope it's ok, Sarah ) My pleasure :-) From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com Mon May 31 04:53:00 2010 From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:53:00 +0200 Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: References: <523B89B1-66FA-4D01-8929-D87B01B991CE@me.com> <4C008938.2060905@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I look forward to use your new application Rodeo. Then, I would love to have a list of the commands that are going to be included in your application in order to evaluate the possibility of developing a couple of applications I have in mind for the iPad. Thanks a lot Paolo Mazza From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon May 31 05:33:24 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 02:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: <4C008938.2060905@hyperactivesw.com> References: <523B89B1-66FA-4D01-8929-D87B01B991CE@me.com> <4C008938.2060905@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1275298404897-2237078.post@n4.nabble.com> J. Landman Gay wrote: > > > Since it's a third party product, I think the rodeo site would be more > appropriate. > Yes. Basically, Rev is turning into (has turned into? has always been?) a two class product. There is one class, which can buy the add-ins and thus get access to all kinds of interesting functionality, and where the basic functionality works properly. There is another class, which has just as much bought licenses, but which gets to buy little or none of this add-on stuff, and in addition gets a basic product that is not fit for professional development purposes. The list increasingly reflects this fact, with more and more of the discussion being simply irrelevant to licensees of the second class because more and more of it is devoted to addons. Not that moving this stuff to another list will solve the real problem. The problem is what functionality one has access to, not where it is dicussed. It is clear that tRev, Rodeo etc are really core functionalities of the product, so it is quite understandable that people think of it as one thing they are discussing. The user, given this, has a very simple choice to make at renewal time: does he or she keep on being treated like this, or does he or she move to Python? My own answer is, if I don't get some sensible roadmap for this thing, I am not renewing. As much out of a sense of indignation at how we are being treated, as anything else. It doesn't have to be instant catchup, it probably cannot be. It does not have to be instant porting of all add ons, it probably cannot be. But there has to be some acknowledgment of what is going on, and some published plan to fix it. Rev is entering dangerous territory here. It is basically destroying its credibility as a provider of a Linux development environment. So effectively, its betting its future on one view of the Linux market. Could work out, but its dangerous. Risk is not what has happened, after the fact. Risk is what could happen before it. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Rodeo-IDE-preview-video-tp2234453p2237078.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon May 31 05:43:23 2010 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 02:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT] revMobile and SDK In-Reply-To: References: <3F95480D5F0DA64EA0785711087864DE8C5EB6FCEF@exch01.mchpe.cpe.umanitoba.ca> <6D1906AB-410E-41A9-9D06-3C0B47C50388@azurevision.co.uk> <9BCDF10A-903E-4632-9732-8BFDF565DF8B@economy-x-talk.com> <56F96F70-93E6-47AD-A161-9C4110C37D90@mines-paristech.fr> Message-ID: <1275299003487-2237087.post@n4.nabble.com> Francois, there are probably two quite distinct issues, with two different legalities. Probably in the EU, at least in most jurisdictions, Apple will not be able to enforce the prohibition on installing retail copies of OSX on third party hardware. It is interesting they have brought no cases despite well publicized violations. But probably they will be able to continue the quite different policies of tying the iDevices to the App Store and continuing to control what goes in the App Store. This is what underlies the SDK issue. The situations are very different, one can't really draw conclusions from one to the other. One is a question of the enforceability of a civil contract. The other is about whether a given policy breaches competition law and whether the Commission will take action. Very different. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/revMobile-and-SDK-tp2236112p2237087.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From niconiko at gmail.com Mon May 31 07:08:01 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 20:08:01 +0900 Subject: inconsistent field appearance Message-ID: Hello List, Any ideas why the lineheight and/or fontsize of a text field would appear ever so slightly different on different pcs? I'm talking a couple of millimeters only. And one pc is a Vista laptop, the other an XP. Do I assume that this, like the appearance of color, is a hardware issue? One line of attack I've tried is first emptying all the field properties, setting these to the desired values and then reinserting the text, a la: set the fixedLineHeight of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to "false" set the textHeight of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to "" set the textFont of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to "" set the textSize of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to "" set the margins of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to 4 set the textStyle of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to "" set the textAlign of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to "" set the style of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to "" set the fixedLineHeight of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to "true" set the textHeight of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to 60 set the textFont of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to "Print Clearly" set the textSize of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to 50 set the margins of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to 8,70,8,66 set the textStyle of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to "plain" set the textAlign of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to "center" set the style of field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" to "transparent" put tAHeckOfWordChoices into field "fAHeckOfWordChoices" I'm assuming that there isn't a solution, but just in case, I'm asking. Thanks. -- Nicolas Cueto From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl Mon May 31 07:28:45 2010 From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 13:28:45 +0200 Subject: Download queue with libURL Message-ID: <48A1386D-F93C-4D31-9695-D8F7E31AFCAB@de-mare.nl> I can't figure out what is wrong with this script: on wachtrij global kjoejoe if line 1 of kjoejoe <> "" then put line 1 of kjoejoe && the number of lines of kjoejoe set the itemdel to tab switch item 1 of line 1 of kjoejoe case "up" libURLftpUploadFile item 2 of line 1 of kjoejoe, item 3 of line 1 of kjoejoe, "wachtrij" break case "down" libURLDownloadToFile item 2 of line 1 of kjoejoe, item 3 of line 1 of kjoejoe, "wachtrij" end switch delete line 1 of kjoejoe end if end wachtrij The global variable 'kjoejoe' contains the prober data, because the first line gets processed as expected. But then, after libURLDownloadToFile or libURLftpUploadFile is done, it should call this command again until kjoejoe is empty. And that isn't happening. Why not? Terry From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon May 31 07:31:28 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 13:31:28 +0200 Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: <1275298404897-2237078.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <523B89B1-66FA-4D01-8929-D87B01B991CE@me.com> <4C008938.2060905@hyperactivesw.com> <1275298404897-2237078.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <656B8B05-7FC2-4726-8CAF-F59053FA3024@economy-x-talk.com> I agree, Peter. IMHO this doesn't apply to Linux only. I'm mainly a Mac user and have found the RunRev IDE to become increasingly unstable. It should be unnecessary to buy an add-on just to be able to edit scripts (the current script editor is highly unreliable). All features in the documentation should work as advertised or the documentation should make clear that there are problems with specific features. If the people at RunRev want us to pay for an (early) update pack (or for a subscription to future updates) they will have to make a credible statement about future improvements in basic functionality. I don't think that RunRev is ready to make such a statement now. Maybe in a few years. A roadmap could be nice, but I don't think it helps much. Such a reoadmap just generates false expectations. I know from experience that software like RunRev is ready when it works, not when the deadline has passed. I believe we can only wait until we can get our hands on the finished product and test it. Btw. I have no problem with discussing actual (On-)Rev-based third- party products on this list. It is much more interesting than mere advertisements for third-party products and lengthy discussions of SDK license conditions of indirectly related companies ;-) -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 31 mei 2010, at 11:33, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > The user, given this, has a very simple choice to make at renewal > time: > does he or she keep on being treated like this, or does he or she > move to > Python? > > My own answer is, if I don't get some sensible roadmap for this > thing, I am > not renewing. As much out of a sense of indignation at how we are > being > treated, as anything else. It doesn't have to be instant catchup, it > probably cannot be. It does not have to be instant porting of all > add ons, > it probably cannot be. But there has to be some acknowledgment of > what is > going on, and some published plan to fix it. > > Rev is entering dangerous territory here. It is basically > destroying its > credibility as a provider of a Linux development environment. So > effectively, its betting its future on one view of the Linux > market. Could > work out, but its dangerous. Risk is not what has happened, after > the fact. > Risk is what could happen before it. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon May 31 08:42:39 2010 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 14:42:39 +0200 Subject: Download queue with libURL In-Reply-To: <48A1386D-F93C-4D31-9695-D8F7E31AFCAB@de-mare.nl> References: <48A1386D-F93C-4D31-9695-D8F7E31AFCAB@de-mare.nl> Message-ID: <373B1C2F-AED6-4485-9C67-6737D7A12E63@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Terry, You don't need to do this. LibURL can do this by itself. Just issue the upload and download commands right-away. Does item 3 of line 1 of kjoejoe contain a file path? (It should). -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 31 mei 2010, at 13:28, Terry Vogelaar wrote: > I can't figure out what is wrong with this script: > > on wachtrij > global kjoejoe > if line 1 of kjoejoe <> "" then > put line 1 of kjoejoe && the number of lines of kjoejoe > set the itemdel to tab > switch item 1 of line 1 of kjoejoe > case "up" > libURLftpUploadFile item 2 of line 1 of kjoejoe, item 3 > of line 1 of kjoejoe, "wachtrij" > break > case "down" > libURLDownloadToFile item 2 of line 1 of kjoejoe, item 3 > of line 1 of kjoejoe, "wachtrij" > end switch > delete line 1 of kjoejoe > end if > end wachtrij > > > The global variable 'kjoejoe' contains the prober data, because the > first line gets processed as expected. But then, after > libURLDownloadToFile or libURLftpUploadFile is done, it should call > this command again until kjoejoe is empty. And that isn't happening. > Why not? > > Terry From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Mon May 31 08:43:43 2010 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 14:43:43 +0200 Subject: Behaviors handlers not found when re-opening stacks Message-ID: <2B1CD2AC-5C99-4957-915A-5F7702BD99C8@inria.fr> Bonjour, I am trying to modify an app. using behaviors, To simplify, let's say that I have two independent stacks : "stack 1.rev" and "stack 2.rev" the behavior of stack 2 is set to the script of a button on stack 1 (button "behaviorOfStack2") The script of this button is : ------ on singBeep beep 5 end singBeep ------ on this same stack 2 there is a group "group1" whose behavior is set to the script of a button on stack 1 (button behaviorOfGroup1) The group is composed of 2 fields, the second is named "fldTarget" The script of this button is: ----- on openField if the short name of the target is "fldTarget" then singBeep end openField ----- Works well: beep when opening the field "fldTarget" (either selecting in it, or coming in it from the first field by tab) But If I save and close these 2 stacks when I reopen them that does not work anymore (I get a "can"t find handler" error, and in tRev, the tab of the group's script opens up with some empty lines in it !!!??) However, In the message box, If I ask for the behaviors of stack 2 and of group1 I get the right answer (also, the behavior of group1 is still there at the bottom of the Basic properties pane of the group). Despite this, I have to set again the two behaviors (of stack 2 and group1) in order to get my openField handler working. Is it normal to set again the behaviors of objects each time the stacks are opened? or am I missing something? Thanks a lot in advance for any help Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From kkaufman at snet.net Mon May 31 09:29:25 2010 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 09:29:25 -0400 Subject: Using xTalk in place of Javascript In-Reply-To: <20100531085300.F2B4D28832A@mail.runrev.com> References: <20100531085300.F2B4D28832A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I may have mentioned this on the list before, but concussions as a result of falls during epileptic seizures tend to make my memory somewhat porous at times?. I have used a CDMA (Verizon) cell phone in the USA, but had to look for an alternative while traveling in the UK and Belgium. I decided on the Nokia N79, as it was very small and light, included a GPS receiver, allowed me to access WLANs (Skype, email, web, etc.), had a decent camera, videocam and mp3 player, etc. I note that one of the 3 common methods of writing applications for the device involves the use of Nokia's Web-Runtime-Kit (WRT). I understand that this basically involves including a set of libraries (the Nokia widget engine, which I would guess derives its functionality from parts of the Nokia-Symbian web browser) linked using Javascript in stand-alone widgets. One has, in addition, access to various functions and sensors on the device using the Nokia Widget extension APIs. I know that a number of other companies' products (Adobe Dreamweaver, Aptana Studio) have had free plugins written for them so that they can produce Symbian widgets. I believe in all cases so far, the scripting language used to implement the logic operations has been Javascript. Alright, so why do I bring this up? I have some ideas for Symbian (s60) applications, and it would be wonderful if I could substitute xTalk for Javascript (which I can sort-of-follow but don't really understand). QUITE ASIDE from any business considerations (and I have no idea whether Symbian is "on the way-in or -out" in commercial terms), I was thinking that there might be another market for applications/widgets produced with Rev. I am writing as someone who would be interested in putting in the time to learn Javascript if others already familiar with it felt there would be an advantage of eventually being able to use an xTalk in its place. Again, the applications produced would be indistinguishable from those linked by Javascript, and would not, at runtime, require the use of the MetaCard/Rev engine. I also do not know how restrictive Nokia is in the use of its WRT libraries, but I would think it not as draconian as Apple in relation to the iPhone/iPad. Certainly the distribution channels are far more varied. I'm interested in any responses to my thoughts and will not take offense if given a virtual "dope-slap". :-) -Kurt From andre at andregarzia.com Mon May 31 09:32:59 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:32:59 -0300 Subject: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video) Message-ID: Folks, Motivated by the discussion started by Peter, I decided to write a piece. First following the split in two classes that Peter did, I don't think that Rev is not suitable for professional development by the second class. For those that did not read Peter piece, he does not mean a first and second class that are on some kind of hierarchy but an horizontal split where the first group is the one that bought many addons and the second group is using plain old vanilla rev. He then argues that the second group is loosing its value since many things that should be in rev are then in the paid third party addons and that people from the second group might migrate to some other language due to the increased need for third party paid tools to create professional software. This is just a summary. I am here doing a counter-post detailing my own experience with Rev in the last months and years which I think is valuable to this specific discussion. I own ALL of the Rev addons, I even own multiple licenses for the addons and for Rev itself since I am a sucker for bundles. I am also on a very good position in the community since I went to all the Rev conferences that happened so far, so this gives me perspective and passport stamps. In the last few years I've shipped both desktop applications and web applications, all of which were professional. Even though I have all the addons, there's only two addons I ever used in a professional project. Not that the addons are useless or not to be trusted, they are all wonderful but so is Rev, so even though I use a lot of addons on my own projects, I could handle most of my development with pure Rev. The last software I built which is the Hinduism Today Navigator ( available at http://www.hinduismtoday.com/ ) is my first professional software to use third party addon. It uses SQL Yoga and GLX App Framework (a close addons and a FOSS one). Using those libraries cut my development time but that does not mean that I could not do it without them. The previous version called Hinduism Today Digital Edition was a pure Rev application and worked quite well. The benefit of SQL Yoga and GLX App Framework was that I could borrow Trevors brain a little which is way better than mine and let him solve the database and bootstrapping stuff for me thru the use of his own libraries. It is like delegation, could I build myself some kind of generic database layer for me, yes I could, would it be SQL Yoga, hell no, SQL Yoga is just magical. Can you ship professional software without it, yes you can. Using the knowledge I acquired from The Richard Gaskin Institute Of Successful Business Studies, I learned all that the third party addons do is reduce your development/support time which in return helps your ROI which makes your business more likely to succeed. Most of Rev addons are Rev built anyway. Sometimes is a wise investment to use third party tools to improve your business, some other times, you can just do without it. I strong believe that the sign that a development community is actually evolving is the appearance of commercial third party tools. That usually means that there is a healthy market in it and the key word in this is healthy and not market. It means that entrepreneurs see that there is an opportunity there to make an investment and that they believe this will be good since the community is healthy. The appearance of third party tools also show us where Rev could use some more love. Entrepreneurs will often ship products that will cover some Rev deficiency or extend some feature with things that are desired by a great bunch of people. By seeing which addons are more popular, one can grok where Rev needs to improve. Like Peter said, the current Linux version is almost unusable. While the engine is solid, the IDE is quite flaky (thanks dictionary.app for the right adjective). There is a huge need for improvement in the Linux area before Rev can be used by sane professionals in that OS. I would like to migrate all my development to Linux soon but right now I can't. Like me there are others. As for tRev, Rodeo and other wizardries by Jerry. They like the flux capacitors in Back to The Future, while a DeLorean is a nice professional car, that gizmo makes it something unique. tRev is a wonderful editor, I tend to move from it to Rev IDE quite a lot, for sometimes I like Revs own debugger better, I like stepping thru code. This just my development process to move from tRev to Rev Script Editor and back, I am just glad that the process work quite well. Rodeo is Jerrys and Sarahs response to Apple Stupid Decision regarding languages and the iPhone/iPad. Other responses will probably follow. This is GOOD. While I don't believe that RunRev is being negligent, I would like them to stop the baking process and work on the dishes that are getting colder while waiting for the dressing. We need bugfixes and we need feature parity at least among Mac, Windows and Linux. Right now there is a mobile development tool opportunity, they are throwing resources at it because there is a huge market, we can only profit from this since more users equals more money for them that equals more resources for them to use. Also they would need to modularize the engine better and make it more self contained to make the codebase easier to maintain and port to all different platforms, this would benefit the Linux engine and all the others. There's no loss in such initiative. When Peter says things should be on the core product, I think he means, it should be available when you have the core product. The difference is subtle since the second phrase means that the features he want could be produced by anyone but should be available. If we had a Free Open Source Movement here (wearing by David hat now) we could fix many issues and ship some good stuff to solve our problems while waiting for RunRev to fix theirs. While I don't believe all the products could be FOSS since we all have bills to pay (I have lots of them), I think everyone would contribute to some Standard Library or set of libraries if possible. In summary, I believe the community is getting bigger and even though this makes some stuff harder since we no longer know each other personally like we did many years ago, it also brings a lot of new people and ideas which is great. The presence of paid addons is a symptom of some Rev weakness in some areas and a positive indicator that there is a viable healthy development market. Userbase is growing, and so are our needs and desires. Computing has changed a lot in the lasty years, development tools are evolving faster than ever. RunRev is a small team but they are very passionate, now, if we could make just ONE of the core engineers migrate to Linux and be forced to use Rev on Linux every day for two months, I bet all our linux needs would be solved very quickly (scratch an itch philosophy). My two brazilian reals cents, not as worthy as dollars or euros but prettier (specially the 1 real coin). -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Mon May 31 09:57:01 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:57:01 -0300 Subject: Using xTalk in place of Javascript In-Reply-To: References: <20100531085300.F2B4D28832A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Kurt, Javascript is a wonderful language and the de facto standard for browser side stuff. I think it pays well to learn it. If you're thinking about investing some time on the language, I recommend the book called: "Javascript: The Good Parts", it is a quick read and packed with good information. :D On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Kurt Kaufman wrote: > I may have mentioned this on the list before, but concussions as a result > of falls during epileptic seizures tend to make my memory somewhat porous at > times?. > > I have used a CDMA (Verizon) cell phone in the USA, but had to look for an > alternative while traveling in the UK and Belgium. I decided on the Nokia > N79, as it was very small and light, included a GPS receiver, allowed me to > access WLANs (Skype, email, web, etc.), had a decent camera, videocam and > mp3 player, etc. > > I note that one of the 3 common methods of writing applications for the > device involves the use of Nokia's Web-Runtime-Kit (WRT). I understand that > this basically involves including a set of libraries (the Nokia widget > engine, which I would guess derives its functionality from parts of the > Nokia-Symbian web browser) linked using Javascript in stand-alone widgets. > One has, in addition, access to various functions and sensors on the device > using the Nokia Widget extension APIs. > > I know that a number of other companies' products (Adobe Dreamweaver, > Aptana Studio) have had free plugins written for them so that they can > produce Symbian widgets. I believe in all cases so far, the scripting > language used to implement the logic operations has been Javascript. > > Alright, so why do I bring this up? I have some ideas for Symbian (s60) > applications, and it would be wonderful if I could substitute xTalk for > Javascript (which I can sort-of-follow but don't really understand). QUITE > ASIDE from any business considerations (and I have no idea whether Symbian > is "on the way-in or -out" in commercial terms), I was thinking that there > might be another market for applications/widgets produced with Rev. > > I am writing as someone who would be interested in putting in the time to > learn Javascript if others already familiar with it felt there would be an > advantage of eventually being able to use an xTalk in its place. > > Again, the applications produced would be indistinguishable from those > linked by Javascript, and would not, at runtime, require the use of the > MetaCard/Rev engine. > > I also do not know how restrictive Nokia is in the use of its WRT > libraries, but I would think it not as draconian as Apple in relation to the > iPhone/iPad. Certainly the distribution channels are far more varied. > > I'm interested in any responses to my thoughts and will not take offense if > given a virtual "dope-slap". :-) > > -Kurt_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Mon May 31 10:20:00 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:20:00 -0300 Subject: Download queue with libURL In-Reply-To: <373B1C2F-AED6-4485-9C67-6737D7A12E63@economy-x-talk.com> References: <48A1386D-F93C-4D31-9695-D8F7E31AFCAB@de-mare.nl> <373B1C2F-AED6-4485-9C67-6737D7A12E63@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Mark, are you sure libURL will queue FTP uploads and downloads? Cheers Andre On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi Terry, > > You don't need to do this. LibURL can do this by itself. Just issue the > upload and download commands right-away. > > Does item 3 of line 1 of kjoejoe contain a file path? (It should). > > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > > Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote > http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html > Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share > the clipboard of your computer over the local network. > > On 31 mei 2010, at 13:28, Terry Vogelaar wrote: > > I can't figure out what is wrong with this script: >> >> on wachtrij >> global kjoejoe >> if line 1 of kjoejoe <> "" then >> put line 1 of kjoejoe && the number of lines of kjoejoe >> set the itemdel to tab >> switch item 1 of line 1 of kjoejoe >> case "up" >> libURLftpUploadFile item 2 of line 1 of kjoejoe, item 3 of line >> 1 of kjoejoe, "wachtrij" >> break >> case "down" >> libURLDownloadToFile item 2 of line 1 of kjoejoe, item 3 of line >> 1 of kjoejoe, "wachtrij" >> end switch >> delete line 1 of kjoejoe >> end if >> end wachtrij >> >> >> The global variable 'kjoejoe' contains the prober data, because the first >> line gets processed as expected. But then, after libURLDownloadToFile or >> libURLftpUploadFile is done, it should call this command again until kjoejoe >> is empty. And that isn't happening. Why not? >> >> Terry >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From coiin at verizon.net Mon May 31 11:01:59 2010 From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:01:59 -0400 Subject: Using xTalk in place of Javascript In-Reply-To: References: <20100531085300.F2B4D28832A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <662EF67E-BE76-4E92-88A1-7EC73D85A1CD@verizon.net> Here is a quite long article that might answer some of your questions about what would be involved in making a xTalk like syntax convert to Javascript: http://lexnet.bravepages.com/HTMLJS.htm As Andre says though, it may be simpler to just learn Javascript. It's not difficult once you get past any fear of semicolons. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Mon May 31 11:23:07 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 08:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: <1275319387948-322967.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275319387948-322967.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1275319387947-2237515.post@n4.nabble.com> Did you ever find a solution for this josep? I am in the early phases of planning to do something exactly like this. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RTF-documents-as-templates-tp322967p2237515.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 31 11:30:21 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:30:21 -0500 Subject: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C03D60D.9030804@hyperactivesw.com> Andre Garzia wrote: > I learned all that the third party addons do > is reduce your development/support time which in return helps your ROI which > makes your business more likely to succeed. Most of Rev addons are Rev built > anyway. Sometimes is a wise investment to use third party tools to improve > your business, some other times, you can just do without it. This is a valid point. I don't argue that the Rev Linux needs work -- we all agree on that -- but as far as RevSelect tools go, they are all written in RevTalk and the same functionality could be implemented by anyone. I'm not trying to make excuses because I fully agree with what Peter says about Linux, but just want to point out that there isn't anything magical about these tools. They do not implement things the engine lacks, as Peter suggests. They simply use the existing engine to create shortcuts for those who want to save some time. For myself, and possibly for other tools vendors, I didn't implement Zygodact for Linux because I am missing some critical info about the Linux OS that I would need to do that. I could find out what I need pretty easily I think, but as far as I know, there's little market for Zygodact on Linux. I have never received a request for that platform. If I ever do, I'd be happy to do the research required and create a build. But how many people are shipping commercial products for Linux that require a serial key system? In fact, as far as I know, most Linux users expect free software. Zygodact has no market on Linux if that's true. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 31 11:36:39 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:36:39 -0500 Subject: Problems setting a player object to an alias in a script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C03D787.4020909@hyperactivesw.com> Howard Bornstein wrote: > I want to set a player object to an alias of an MP3 file. If I do it in a > script, the player returns the message "could not create movie reference". > However, if I set the player manually (i.e. by clicking the folder icon on > property palette's source field) it takes the alias as a valid file. That's because the OS re-interprets the alias to point to a valid file reference, and returns that instead of the alias path. You'd need to do that yourself if you want to script it, otherwise you won't get a valid file name. > > However, when selecting a file for the player manually, using the built-in > dialog box, there is an Enable popup that defaults to Quicktime Movies. When > this is selected, it is impossible to select an MP3 file. But if I change > the popup to All Files, then I can choose the MP3. > > Apparently, when trying to do this via script, the MP3s are not available > because All Files (or its equivalent) is not selected. How can I get access > to all files using the "set filename of player n to [filename]" in > Transcript? > The dimming of certain file types is just a selector filter within the Open File dialog, it has no bearing on what files can be chosen or opened by script. I think the problem you are having is that the alias is interpreted by Rev as an actual file instead of a pointer to a file. Since the alias file itself isn't an mpg, you get the error. Try using the aliasReference function to get the real file name and set your player to that instead. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From andre at andregarzia.com Mon May 31 11:34:05 2010 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 12:34:05 -0300 Subject: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video) In-Reply-To: <4C03D60D.9030804@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4C03D60D.9030804@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: I think the market for Rev and Linux is not an end user market, like selling to users but creating custom software for enterprise and organizations and all the web stuff such as RevServer. In the future and Linux gets even more widespread, creating commercial linux tools might be a good option. 2D Boy proved that you can sell linux games and sell a lot (of course world of goo is a cross platform game, but they sold a lot of linux licenses anyway) Andre On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:30 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Andre Garzia wrote: > >> I learned all that the third party addons do >> is reduce your development/support time which in return helps your ROI >> which >> makes your business more likely to succeed. Most of Rev addons are Rev >> built >> anyway. Sometimes is a wise investment to use third party tools to improve >> your business, some other times, you can just do without it. >> > > This is a valid point. I don't argue that the Rev Linux needs work -- we > all agree on that -- but as far as RevSelect tools go, they are all written > in RevTalk and the same functionality could be implemented by anyone. I'm > not trying to make excuses because I fully agree with what Peter says about > Linux, but just want to point out that there isn't anything magical about > these tools. They do not implement things the engine lacks, as Peter > suggests. They simply use the existing engine to create shortcuts for those > who want to save some time. > > For myself, and possibly for other tools vendors, I didn't implement > Zygodact for Linux because I am missing some critical info about the Linux > OS that I would need to do that. I could find out what I need pretty easily > I think, but as far as I know, there's little market for Zygodact on Linux. > I have never received a request for that platform. If I ever do, I'd be > happy to do the research required and create a build. But how many people > are shipping commercial products for Linux that require a serial key system? > In fact, as far as I know, most Linux users expect free software. Zygodact > has no market on Linux if that's true. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From kkaufman at snet.net Mon May 31 11:58:16 2010 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:58:16 -0400 Subject: Using xTalk in place of Javascript Message-ID: <147FB8CF-8E5E-489E-B2F8-3E218C11F379@snet.net> Thanks to Andre and Colin for their suggestions re/ Javascript. I will look for both of your references. Kurt From jmyepes at mac.com Mon May 31 13:44:32 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rumours about Visual Basic for iPhone/iPad? Message-ID: <1275327872177-2237664.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Folks, Just now I finish to read one rumour about something Visual Basic for iPhone/iPad, some join venture between Micro$oft and Apple versus Adobe and Google, with Bing in front of Google and Visual Basic suite to stop Adobe plans. I'm worried... Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Rumours-about-Visual-Basic-for-iPhone-iPad-tp2237664p2237664.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon May 31 13:46:00 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:46:00 -0700 Subject: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video) Message-ID: <4C03F5D8.7010604@fourthworld.com> Andre Garzia wrote: > I think the market for Rev and Linux is not an end user market, like selling > to users but creating custom software for enterprise and organizations and > all the web stuff such as RevServer. > > In the future and Linux gets even more widespread, creating commercial linux > tools might be a good option. 2D Boy proved that you can sell linux games > and sell a lot (of course world of goo is a cross platform game, but they > sold a lot of linux licenses anyway) Currently, Linux is at the pre-tipping-point stage characterized by this catch-22 as a key contributing factor: end-users want more apps on Linux before they switch, and developers want to see more end-users on Linux before they deploy. An example of this dynamic was provided by Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols of Computerworld recently: Ubuntu wants Adobe, even if Apple doesn't ... Canonical marketing manager Gerry Carr told me that "in a recent survey we did of the Ubuntu User base where we got 32,000 plus responses, Adobe Photoshop as a potential application for Ubuntu got a 3.52 rating out of 5 being the second most popular potential app after Skype." ... Carr added, "More interestingly 12000 people gave suggestions for apps we had not suggested. The Adobe family of products featured far and away beyond apps from any other vendor by an enormous margin. So, empirically, there will be a very welcome home for Adobe of they chose to [move to Linux, no matter] whatever individual comments might say. ... For myself, I'm not waiting: My WebMerge product is already on Linux, and even though we've sold only a few copies it's already paid for itself because with Rev it was just a checkbox in the Standalone Builder and a few adjustments to paths in my code. For one of my long-term clients we've been collecting "pledges" for Linux, offering a form in which they tell us they want a Linux version and how many copies they'd be likely to buy once it's available. This app is for the academic market, and as Andre pointed out that's a good fit for Linux: even if only half of the pledges turned into sales, we'd sell more than a hundred licenses in the first quarter after release, most in bulk license packs of 5 or 10 as is common in academic markets as departments standardize on your app. Needless to say, this Linux port is in progress and we've very much looking forward to delivering it this summer. Ken Ray and Trevor are also working on ports of some of their apps, and I would expect Trevor's ScreenSteps to do well as it appeals to higher ed and will likely get bulk sales from the many universities around the world which have at least some departments with disproportionately high numbers of Linux installs. Sure, as with the engines for Mac and Win there are some things that can be problematic using Rev on Linux. But like the Mac and Windows engines there's enough working in Rev for Linux to get me going delivering good value to our customers today as we also look forward to enhancing those versions in the future as the Rev Linux engine gets even better. I don't expect to get rich from Linux deployments, at least not for another few years. But with a conservative estimated market share for Linux on the desktop at more than 1% it's more than enough to pay for itself if you're using Rev, and establishes a foothold for your company in a community that's as exciting to be a part of as the early days of Mac. And as we know from the history of technology adoption, the second percent won't take nearly as long as the first, and the third will be easier still. After 24 years the Mac has only a 5.4% share; Linux will hit half of that sooner than one might think. Linux isn't going away. It's getting more and more significant every week. The only thing making it a slow process is the lack of apps - so the more we make apps for Linux, the more Linux customers will come into the fold to buy them. And as Andre mentioned, there also are opportunities beyond commercial apps: you'd be surprised how many institutions will pay your normal rate to deliver apps for them which they give away for free. One of my most recent clients is that sort, and my very first commercial contract in 1989 was funded by a federal grant. It's a big, diverse world out there, ripe with a million opportunities waiting to be discovered. For the low cost of a few minutes' time to set up an old PC with Ubuntu and click a checkbox in the Rev standalone builder, you can diversify your revenue opportunities and have fun doing it. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon May 31 13:47:36 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:47:36 -0700 Subject: Rumours about Visual Basic for iPhone/iPad? In-Reply-To: <1275327872177-2237664.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275327872177-2237664.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Urban legend, already debunked on this list. On 31 May 2010 10:44, JosepM wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Just now I finish to read one rumour about something Visual Basic for > iPhone/iPad, some join venture between Micro$oft and Apple versus Adobe and > Google, with Bing in front of Google and Visual Basic suite to stop Adobe > plans. > I'm worried... > > > Salut, > Josep > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Rumours-about-Visual-Basic-for-iPhone-iPad-tp2237664p2237664.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon May 31 13:48:23 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:48:23 -0700 Subject: Rumours about Visual Basic for iPhone/iPad? Message-ID: <4C03F667.40908@fourthworld.com> JosepM wrote: > Just now I finish to read one rumour about something Visual Basic for > iPhone/iPad, some join venture between Micro$oft and Apple versus Adobe and > Google, with Bing in front of Google and Visual Basic suite to stop Adobe > plans. > I'm worried... No worries - Colin found an an article which he linked to here a couple days ago debunking the rumor: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From jmyepes at mac.com Mon May 31 13:50:58 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: <1275319387947-2237515.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275319387948-322967.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275319387947-2237515.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1275328258363-2237670.post@n4.nabble.com> Nop. My solution was store the entire document and search and replace before to build the document, and then out as PDF using Quartam PDF Library and Quartam Reports, but also you can print from a card. But now, some customers need customize reports and documents and again I need do something. Actually I customize the docs and send to the customer her document to use from Quartam Reports. I was thinking to create the template from a card for example, and convert for Quartam PDF or maybe using the new PrintToPDF when this will be available in the next release 5.0 If you have any idea about I'm very glad to help and collaborate. Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RTF-documents-as-templates-tp322967p2237670.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon May 31 14:03:59 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:03:59 -0700 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote: > Any ideas why the lineheight and/or fontsize of a text field would > appear ever so slightly different on different pcs? > > I'm talking a couple of millimeters only. And one pc is a Vista > laptop, the other an XP. Are you sure you're not just seeing differences based on the default font of each platform? Rev uses Tahoma on XP and Segoe UI on Vista. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From jmyepes at mac.com Mon May 31 14:09:01 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rumours about Visual Basic for iPhone/iPad? In-Reply-To: <4C03F667.40908@fourthworld.com> References: <1275327872177-2237664.post@n4.nabble.com> <4C03F667.40908@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <1275329341936-2237688.post@n4.nabble.com> Here the post about, http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/28/source-microsoft-bing-taking-over-iphone-search/ I read in spanish from this.. http://www.applesfera.com/apple/steve-ballmer-no-participara-en-al-wwdc-2010-pero-no-se-descartan-sorpresas ... :/ Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Rumours-about-Visual-Basic-for-iPhone-iPad-tp2237664p2237688.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 31 14:19:25 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 21:19:25 +0300 Subject: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video) In-Reply-To: <4C03F5D8.7010604@fourthworld.com> References: <4C03F5D8.7010604@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4C03FDAD.2090000@gmail.com> On 31/05/2010 20:46, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Andre Garzia wrote: > >> I think the market for Rev and Linux is not an end user market, like >> selling >> to users but creating custom software for enterprise and >> organizations and >> all the web stuff such as RevServer. >> >> In the future and Linux gets even more widespread, creating >> commercial linux >> tools might be a good option. 2D Boy proved that you can sell linux >> games >> and sell a lot (of course world of goo is a cross platform game, but >> they >> sold a lot of linux licenses anyway) > > Currently, Linux is at the pre-tipping-point stage characterized by > this catch-22 as a key contributing factor: end-users want more apps > on Linux before they switch, and developers want to see more end-users > on Linux before they deploy. > > An example of this dynamic was provided by Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols > of Computerworld recently: > > Ubuntu wants Adobe, even if Apple doesn't > ... > Canonical marketing manager Gerry Carr told me that "in a recent > survey we did of the Ubuntu User base where we got 32,000 plus > responses, Adobe Photoshop as a potential application for Ubuntu > got a 3.52 rating out of 5 being the second most popular > potential app after Skype." Umm . . . I cannot quite see what the advantages of Adobe Photoshop are now that we have GIMP and SUMO: http://www.sumopaint.com/app/ between the 2 of them I think they have Photoshop just about "sewn up". I am not trying to run down the idea of commercial software on Linux; but I would like to point out that the fact that the vast majority of Linux distros are FREE does tend to set up users to expect everything that follows to be free, and, where adequate substitutes that are free exist, tend to choose them over commercial ones; both from financial considerations and from the "everything should be free" mentality that Linux (and even more, everybody's favourite hairy nutcase: Stallman) pushes people towards. The most important bit of what I wrote above is: "where adequate substitutes that are free exist" and there's the rub: there will be a race for commercial developers to plug perceived niches where a demand exists but an Open Source / Free solution does not exist; followed by an Open Source / Free equivalent hard on its heels. The 'trick', if indeed there is a trick at all, is to find a niche which won't be plugged directly after your commercial offering by an O-S/free alternative which will make you go rajj because of all the time, R&D and effort you put into your 'thing' for the peanuts you get paid before one of "Saint Richard Stallman's" acolytes get you by the "small and curlies". I, myself, run my Macintosh on the basis of the software that comes with the system install DVD, Open Source / FREE stuff, and RunRev (which I paid for, only because there is no adequate substitute and I cannot find a suitable (FREE) anti-addiction programme to get me off it): Now part of the reason for this is: a. I cannot afford much commercial software, b. I feel slightly queasy about using pirate software (although it would be disingenuous to say I have never used it; age does funny things with one's morals), c. I can see absolutely NO reason at all to shell out hard-earned money for anything unless no other choice exists. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I do believe that Linux might be about to tip: in fact I hope it is. However, I don't think this means that all those people who "suddenly" stop using Windows and Mac, will "suddenly" be digging deep into their wallets for costly programs such as the Adobe suite. I believe something different will happen: 1. Apple and Microsoft will have to completely rethink and rearrange their way of doing things; both need to iron out some of the warts in their operating systems. Windows, for a start, is going to have to be so much better than Linux that users are going to put up with viruses, and on top of the OS, shell out monthly fees for anti-virus sofware. Mind you, it escapes me why people do now: just run ReactOS: http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html 2. The commercial 'majors' will have to radically cut their pricing structure, and make sure that their offerings are killer apps. I am sure, should Linux 'tip', this will NOT result in a Stallmanesque heaven, where there is pie in the sky and endless free beer (well, even if only because I want to pay for RunRev 5!), but a more mixed system, with a freer sort of competition. I also hope, that to buy a laptop without anybody's OS preinstalled will not involve a hunt across 3 continents . . . :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quite apart from my, probably, ill-informed speculations; I do know that RunRev have to look to their Linux version and sort it out lickety-split, less they lose out to others. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon May 31 14:32:36 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:32:36 -0700 Subject: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video) Message-ID: <4C0400C4.6060307@fourthworld.com> I got so carried away with my Linux fanboism that I forgot to address the main point of this thread, the third-party afermarket: Andre wrote: > When Peter says things should be on the core product, I think he means, it > should be available when you have the core product. The difference is subtle > since the second phrase means that the features he want could be produced by > anyone but should be available. If we had a Free Open Source Movement here > (wearing by David hat now) we could fix many issues and ship some good stuff > to solve our problems while waiting for RunRev to fix theirs. While I don't > believe all the products could be FOSS since we all have bills to pay (I > have lots of them), I think everyone would contribute to some Standard > Library or set of libraries if possible. About commercial add-ons: Two things communicate the strength of a development tool more clearly than anything else: - Examples of professional-quality apps deployed with it - The size and scope of its third-party aftermarket On the former, the runrev.com site has gotten much better about this but there's still a lot that can be done to show off what this community has been doing with Rev. On the latter, RevSelect offers a lot of great stuff of enough breadth that it really helps newcomers understand the scope of the Rev world. Where would Visual BASIC be without Crystal Reports? Having CR available along with thousands of other add-ons has been good for both those add-on vendors and for VB. The same is true for the Rev add-on tools. Unlike Andre I don't buy many, but when I do they've been big time/money savers: I got Malte's ChartsEngine shortly after it was released and I got Curry's libDoc for importing Word and OpenOffice docs into Rev fields, and both of them cost so little compared to the time it would have taken me to write them myself. The ROI for those tools has been HUGE here. I think it's natural and healthy for a viable dev tool to attract third-party toolmakers. In fact, it would look very bad for Rev if it didn't have such tools, common as such things are in nearly every other IDE community. About Rev FOSS projects: Having participated in what may be the longest-running FOSS project in the Rev community, the MetaCard IDE (released under the MIT license in 2003), I've had high hopes for FOSS tools in the Rev community. But the fact is that MC's been a relatively simple project, since it started out in a finished form and has a mandate of minimal change to preserve its original flavor. For most other FOSS projects code needs to be written from scratch and code is expensive, requiring the one commodity that's most limited and precious on Earth: time. Anything other than the most trivial FOSS projects are a rich man's game, requiring that one has done well enough with commercial work to subsidize the uncompensated time needed to give away code. Sometimes there are well-funded orgs willing to pay for such things, as one of my clients does and as IBM has done with the millions it pours into Linux. Such investments aren't just random feel-good but sound business, part of "commoditizing your compliments" as Joel Spolsky explains here: For for most FOSS projects, it's just developers scratching an itch, and sharing their solution in the hope that it'll be useful for others. There's certainly no harm in that, and much good can come from it, as with the two FOSS initiatives in progress at the Rev Interoperability Project: - stdLib Inspired by a comment Andre made at the first-ever RevCon in Monterey, stdlib's goal is to provide a library of the most commonly-used handlers and functions that most apps need, things like getting file mod dates, managing preferences, etc. - Input Validation Behavior The goal here is to provide a behavior script you can attach to fields to handle the most common input validation tasks, like verifying that the input is numeric, or contains a valid email address, etc. Both of these projects have been slow-going, because they rely solely on donated time from volunteers. But if they seem interesting to you please consider joining the group and diving in, either contributing code or even just suggestions for things these libraries should include. Completed projects from RIP have included the "Edinburgh Core MetaData Initiative" (ECMI) headed up by Ken Ray, which provides some helpful guidelines for using custom props for storing commonly-used metadata about components (version, vendor, url, etc.) which has been used in tools like Trevor's DataGrid, some tools by Eric Chatonet, Phil Davis, and others, and the forthcoming update to my devo toolkit. There's even a handy tool palette there named RIPEditor to make it ultra-simple to add and update RIP properties in your tools. Like any FOSS initiative, the stuff that comes out of the group is only as useful as the guidance and code that goes into it, so feel free to jump in - anyone can join RIP at Yahoo Groups: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From jmyepes at mac.com Mon May 31 14:35:57 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Create mySQL database structure from Rev Message-ID: <1275330957229-2237715.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Folks, I need to create and backup mySQL database from Rev. I have created the database, so only I need to run the schema, but I have no clear what can be the best solution for. Any experience? Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Create-mySQL-database-structure-from-Rev-tp2237715p2237715.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon May 31 14:40:18 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:40:18 -0700 Subject: Rumours about Visual Basic for iPhone/iPad? Message-ID: <4C040292.2010304@fourthworld.com> JosepM wrote: > Here the post about, > > http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/28/source-microsoft-bing-taking-over-iphone-search/ > > I read in spanish from this.. > > http://www.applesfera.com/apple/steve-ballmer-no-participara-en-al-wwdc-2010-pero-no-se-descartan-sorpresas Interesting stuff. I like some things about Bing, but I find it gives disproportionate weight to keywords in the domain, and less weight to inbound links to determine relevance as Google does. The result is that my Rev pages score much lower in Bing, and it's difficult to move them up without using RunRev's registered trademark in my domain names. Until Bing enhances their engine to include some of the many more variables Google uses, I suspect iPhone users will have a reaction that ranges from nil to disappointed, with very few feeling really great about the switch. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From howard.bornstein at gmail.com Mon May 31 15:04:29 2010 From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 12:04:29 -0700 Subject: Problems setting a player object to an alias in a script In-Reply-To: <4C03D787.4020909@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4C03D787.4020909@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:36 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Try using the aliasReference function to get the real file name and set > your player to that instead. > Thank you thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for and solves my problem nicely. Since I may have a mix of aliases and normal files, this function makes it easy to tell if the file is an alias as well as providing the valid reference to the actual file. This was one of the multitude of Rev functions I didn't even know existed. -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon May 31 15:14:34 2010 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 12:14:34 -0700 Subject: Problems setting a player object to an alias in a script Message-ID: <4C040A9A.8080507@fourthworld.com> Howard Bornstein wrote: > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:36 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> Try using the aliasReference function to get the real file name and set >> your player to that instead. > > Thank you thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for and solves my > problem nicely. Since I may have a mix of aliases and normal files, this > function makes it easy to tell if the file is an alias as well as providing > the valid reference to the actual file. > > This was one of the multitude of Rev functions I didn't even know existed. Another example of the value of the Rev Dictionary's See Also section. :) Sometimes in my spare time I just browse around in the Dictionary clicking See Also links, and almost always learn something new. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 31 15:38:42 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 22:38:42 +0300 Subject: Problems setting a player object to an alias in a script In-Reply-To: References: <4C03D787.4020909@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <4C041042.6020506@gmail.com> On 31/05/2010 22:04, Howard Bornstein wrote: > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:36 AM, J. Landman Gaywrote: > >> Try using the aliasReference function to get the real file name and set >> your player to that instead. >> > Thank you thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for and solves my > problem nicely. Since I may have a mix of aliases and normal files, this > function makes it easy to tell if the file is an alias as well as providing > the valid reference to the actual file. > > This was one of the multitude of Rev functions I didn't even know existed. > Join the club! I've been messing around with RunRev for 9 years and I have now reached the conclusion that I know about 25% of the functions - and that's having developed quite a number of applications with the thing! From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Mon May 31 16:03:34 2010 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 23:03:34 +0300 Subject: Problems setting a player object to an alias in a script In-Reply-To: <4C040A9A.8080507@fourthworld.com> References: <4C040A9A.8080507@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <4C041616.9010206@gmail.com> On 31/05/2010 22:14, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Howard Bornstein wrote: > >> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:36 AM, J. Landman Gay > hyperactivesw.com>wrote: >> >>> Try using the aliasReference function to get the real file name and >>> set >>> your player to that instead. >> >> Thank you thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for and >> solves my >> problem nicely. Since I may have a mix of aliases and normal files, this >> function makes it easy to tell if the file is an alias as well as >> providing >> the valid reference to the actual file. >> >> This was one of the multitude of Rev functions I didn't even know >> existed. > > Another example of the value of the Rev Dictionary's See Also section. :) Mmm, mmm, mmm, merr, merr, merr, so there! Really? I found aliasReference by typing in 'alias' into the search box in the top right-hand corner. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The problem is not with the dictionary, Ding An Sich; but knowing exactly what term to type in the search box: Let's consider the word 'alias' (quite apart from the fact that in the context of WIMP GUIs on computers it has been radically resemanticised from its prototypical meaning in the non-computer world): Macintosh: Alias (actually 'alias' with the meaning of a graphic object which opens a pathway to a directory elsewhere is a Mac-specific term that I remember learning when I cracked open my first Mac with OS 7 - a bit confusing, having only worked with BBC-MOS and UNIX before that). Windows: Shortcut / reparse point (whacked-out or what?) Linux: symbolic link [I see that UBUNTU 10.04 has "Make Link" in its menu system - that's not going to help what Steve Jobs calls "the switchers" that the South African Astronaut obviously envisages converting from Windows to Ubuntu in droves.] UNIX: Symbolic Link / Soft Link / symlink and they don't all behave in the same way . . . :) --------------------------------------------------------------- Now, let's suppose I am a Windows-only sort of chap (I'm not); so on Iooking up Shortcut (not knowing the term 'alias' or 'symbolic link'; I will get: short "Specifies a format for the date and time functions, the convert command, and the name, ID, and owner properties." and shortFilePath neither of which equate to 'alias'. Similarly with Linux; on looking up 'symbolic' the dictionary draws a complete blank. This means that, while the IDE may be, moderately, cross-platform; the dictionary is not. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are other things one can do with aliases, I see. > > Sometimes in my spare time I just browse around in the Dictionary > clicking See Also links, and almost always learn something new. Nice to have spare time . . . :) Personally I prefer my Sanskrit dictionary; it has, among other things, the advantage that it can be propped up next to the chopping board in the kitchen when I'm getting supper organised; no real problem with splashing ghee on the keyboard either! Mathewson. From andrew at rjdfarm.com Mon May 31 16:27:41 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 13:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: <1275328258363-2237670.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275319387948-322967.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275319387947-2237515.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275328258363-2237670.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1275337661211-2237801.post@n4.nabble.com> What about using wordLib 1.3 to import template documents into a field, pull the records you need from the database, do the calculations necessary and fill the data into the placeholders saved into the word doc? This was the approach I was thinking of trying out. I would very much love to collaborate on a solution along these lines. Something customizable, a word Document template based reporting system. My timeframe on needing this solution is starting to look like the end of the week. How would you best like to work on this? via email? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RTF-documents-as-templates-tp322967p2237801.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon May 31 17:29:36 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 14:29:36 -0700 Subject: Create mySQL database structure from Rev In-Reply-To: <1275330957229-2237715.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275330957229-2237715.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: A schema dump is built in to MySQL: assuming you are connected to the database, use this mysql call desc ; a data dump would need to be accomplished by scripting. On 31 May 2010 11:35, JosepM wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I need to create and backup mySQL database from Rev. I have created the > database, so only I need to run the schema, but I have no clear what can be > the best solution for. > > Any experience? > > Salut, > Josep > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Create-mySQL-database-structure-from-Rev-tp2237715p2237715.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco From niconiko at gmail.com Mon May 31 17:55:39 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:55:39 +0900 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Are you sure you're not just seeing differences based on the default font of > each platform? Thanks for double-checking, Scott. But, as is shown in my first message's script snippet, the font is being first cleared and then directly set (advise which I got from a message of yours in the archives). Plus, the font is quite different from Tahoma/Segoe, so I have visual confirmation that the font is the same on both systems. Probably I don't understand enough about fonts but, perhaps it's the font size I'm using and this particular font aren't a happy combination? Or does that matter? -- Nicolas Cueto From howard.bornstein at gmail.com Mon May 31 18:05:26 2010 From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 15:05:26 -0700 Subject: Problems setting a player object to an alias in a script In-Reply-To: <4C040A9A.8080507@fourthworld.com> References: <4C040A9A.8080507@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Howard Bornstein wrote: > > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:36 AM, J. Landman Gay > hyperactivesw.com>wrote: >> >> >> Try using the aliasReference function to get the real file name and set >>> your player to that instead. >>> >> >> Thank you thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for and solves my >> problem nicely. Since I may have a mix of aliases and normal files, this >> function makes it easy to tell if the file is an alias as well as >> providing >> the valid reference to the actual file. >> >> This was one of the multitude of Rev functions I didn't even know existed. >> > > Another example of the value of the Rev Dictionary's See Also section. :) > > Sometimes in my spare time I just browse around in the Dictionary clicking > See Also links, and almost always learn something new. Yes, I smacked myself upside the head after I saw Jackie's answer. Why I didn't think to search the dictionary for 'alias' is beyond me, although I did search for it in the User's Guide (just found stuff on anti-aliasing). That's why this list is so valuable. -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com From bill at fmpsolutions.com Mon May 31 18:44:12 2010 From: bill at fmpsolutions.com (William Roger Moseid) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 15:44:12 -0700 Subject: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video) Message-ID: <15B6CB4CF1164C06921334441CBBB103@BillPC> Andre, Your wrote: "I decided to write a piece . . ." Clear, cogent and consummate. Four thumbs up!!!! Best, William __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5159 (20100531) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From jmyepes at mac.com Mon May 31 19:03:13 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Create mySQL database structure from Rev In-Reply-To: References: <1275330957229-2237715.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1275346993036-2237895.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi, I try this but no result. mysqldump --opt myDB > backupDB.sql Sorry but I don't see how to dump the data by scripting. Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Create-mySQL-database-structure-from-Rev-tp2237715p2237895.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jmyepes at mac.com Mon May 31 19:11:07 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: <1275337661211-2237801.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275319387948-322967.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275319387947-2237515.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275328258363-2237670.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275337661211-2237801.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Andrew, You guess that is posible use the doc template with some graphic or images inside the word and fill all the data respecting the images format? I don't know wordLib 1.3 Also I think that maybe we can found other non-propietary format to use..., but let's try As you wish, email is fine for me. Salut, Josep El 31/05/2010, a las 22:27, Andrew Kluthe [via Runtime Revolution] escribi?: > What about using wordLib 1.3 to import template documents into a > field, pull the records you need from the database, do the > calculations necessary and fill the data into the placeholders saved > into the word doc? > > This was the approach I was thinking of trying out. I would very > much love to collaborate on a solution along these lines. Something > customizable, a word Document template based reporting system. > > My timeframe on needing this solution is starting to look like the > end of the week. How would you best like to work on this? via email? > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RTF-documents-as-templates-tp322967p2237801.html > To unsubscribe from Re: RTF documents as templates, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RTF-documents-as-templates-tp322967p2237897.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon May 31 19:33:53 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:33:53 +1000 Subject: Create mySQL database structure from Rev In-Reply-To: <1275346993036-2237895.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1275330957229-2237715.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275346993036-2237895.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: > I try this but no result. > > mysqldump --opt myDB > backupDB.sql I have used a shell call to the mysqldump command and that worked fine. Cheers, Sarah From jmyepes at mac.com Mon May 31 19:36:28 2010 From: jmyepes at mac.com (JosepM) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Create mySQL database structure from Rev In-Reply-To: References: <1275330957229-2237715.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275346993036-2237895.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0CD4EC81-233D-4D7C-8319-777B4CC2BC58@mac.com> Hi Sarah, But my mySQL is remote and I don't have installed a local mySQL.. Salut, Josep M. El 01/06/2010, a las 1:34, Sarah Reichelt-2 [via Runtime Revolution] escribi?: > > I try this but no result. > > > > mysqldump --opt myDB > backupDB.sql > > I have used a shell call to the mysqldump command and that worked > fine. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [hidden email] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Create-mySQL-database-structure-from-Rev-tp2237715p2237903.html > To unsubscribe from Re: Create mySQL database structure from Rev, > click here. > -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Create-mySQL-database-structure-from-Rev-tp2237715p2237904.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon May 31 19:46:41 2010 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:46:41 +1000 Subject: Create mySQL database structure from Rev In-Reply-To: <0CD4EC81-233D-4D7C-8319-777B4CC2BC58@mac.com> References: <1275330957229-2237715.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275346993036-2237895.post@n4.nabble.com> <0CD4EC81-233D-4D7C-8319-777B4CC2BC58@mac.com> Message-ID: Ahh, in that case, I don't know, unless you can run a script on the server to run the server's install of mysqldump. Sarah On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:36 AM, JosepM wrote: > > Hi Sarah, > > But my mySQL is remote and I don't have installed a local mySQL.. > > > Salut, > Josep M. > > El 01/06/2010, a las 1:34, Sarah Reichelt-2 [via Runtime Revolution] > escribi?: > >> > I try this but no result. >> > >> > mysqldump --opt myDB > backupDB.sql >> >> I have used a shell call to the mysqldump command and that worked >> fine. >> >> Cheers, >> Sarah >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> [hidden email] >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Create-mySQL-database-structure-from-Rev-tp2237715p2237903.html >> To unsubscribe from Re: Create mySQL database structure from Rev, >> click here. >> > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Create-mySQL-database-structure-from-Rev-tp2237715p2237904.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 31 21:34:30 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 20:34:30 -0500 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C0463A6.8020600@hyperactivesw.com> Nicolas Cueto wrote: > Probably I don't understand enough about fonts but, perhaps it's the > font size I'm using and this particular font aren't a happy > combination? Or does that matter? Windows fonts and Mac fonts aren't the same, even if they have the same names and are set to the same size. The Windows version is usually a little smaller but it depends on the font. I have some notes about it here: -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon May 31 21:48:47 2010 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 18:48:47 -0700 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: <4C0463A6.8020600@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote: >> Probably I don't understand enough about fonts but, perhaps it's the >> font size I'm using and this particular font aren't a happy >> combination? Or does that matter? > > Windows fonts and Mac fonts aren't the same, even if they have the same > names and are set to the same size. The Windows version is usually a > little smaller but it depends on the font. I have some notes about it here: > Nicolas was referring to Windows only (XP and Vista), but even then, fonts on WinXP look pretty crappy compared to later versions of Windows, so this might be what he's running into. Mostly this happens with "small" fonts (I don't have a recipe offhand), but certain fonts at certain sizes are rendered without antialising, which might account for the differing appearance. I know some folks here have done some visual comparisons but this was a long time ago -- one would have to check the mail archives. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design From jerry.daniels at me.com Mon May 31 21:51:25 2010 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 20:51:25 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video In-Reply-To: <656B8B05-7FC2-4726-8CAF-F59053FA3024@economy-x-talk.com> References: <523B89B1-66FA-4D01-8929-D87B01B991CE@me.com> <4C008938.2060905@hyperactivesw.com> <1275298404897-2237078.post@n4.nabble.com> <656B8B05-7FC2-4726-8CAF-F59053FA3024@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <061DEC67-FC3A-4F91-9282-A46F357B8A16@me.com> Mark, et al. What you say here makes sense. We'll take Rodeo announcements elsewhere and greatly curtail tRev announcements to major events that might stimulate meaning technical discussion. >From a technical perspective, the most interesting aspect of Rodeo for Rev users is its use of handlers (called "definitions") as the basic building block of an app...one that can be checked out and locked for a user. Rev users who want to follow this type of discussion and contribute to it, need only let me in an email and we'll add you to our discussion list. Handler centricity in Revolution has always been one of my passions. What we are doing with definitions could be done in Revolution. If I thought there was a market for it, I'd have done it in tRev or a team version thereof. Best, Jerry Daniels jerry.daniels at me.com On May 31, 2010, at 6:31 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Btw. I have no problem with discussing actual (On-)Rev-based third-party products on this list. It is much more interesting than mere advertisements for third-party products and lengthy discussions of SDK license conditions of indirectly related companies ;-) From niconiko at gmail.com Mon May 31 21:57:20 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:57:20 +0900 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: <4C0463A6.8020600@hyperactivesw.com> References: <4C0463A6.8020600@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: > Windows fonts and Mac fonts aren't the same, Unfortunately, mine is not a cross-platform issue. Thanks Jacqueline for the link, though. I've bookmarked it for future reference. On an aside... About your article's conclusion: "Our recommendation is: in most cases, pretty close is good enough." My case is not one of those. The field-object font is intended for young EFL learners, with that field-object overlayed by two parallel line-objects serving to hilite the correct letter placement of majuscules and minuscules. And from long classroom experience, that 2-3 millimetre difference I'm seeing on Vista vs. XP is a difference that the kids too will note and, problematically so in the case of some learner types, internalise. Which in a way accounts too for why I avoid inflicting my whiteboard chicken-scrawl on impressionable young Japanese minds. ^_^ -- Nicolas Cueto From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon May 31 21:57:51 2010 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 20:57:51 -0500 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C04691F.2050408@hyperactivesw.com> Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote: > > >>> Probably I don't understand enough about fonts but, perhaps it's the >>> font size I'm using and this particular font aren't a happy >>> combination? Or does that matter? >> Windows fonts and Mac fonts aren't the same, even if they have the same >> names and are set to the same size. The Windows version is usually a >> little smaller but it depends on the font. I have some notes about it here: >> > > Nicolas was referring to Windows only (XP and Vista), but even then, fonts > on WinXP look pretty crappy compared to later versions of Windows, so this > might be what he's running into. Mostly this happens with "small" fonts (I > don't have a recipe offhand), but certain fonts at certain sizes are > rendered without antialising, which might account for the differing > appearance. I know some folks here have done some visual comparisons but > this was a long time ago -- one would have to check the mail archives. Thanks, I forgot it was Windows-only. Also, the notes I linked to are 8 years old so probably out of date by now. I don't have recent font studies of Vista and Win7, so anyone who reads that page should take it with a grain of salt. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From josh at dvcreators.net Mon May 31 21:59:50 2010 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 18:59:50 -0700 Subject: Create mySQL database structure from Rev In-Reply-To: <0CD4EC81-233D-4D7C-8319-777B4CC2BC58@mac.com> References: <1275330957229-2237715.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275346993036-2237895.post@n4.nabble.com> <0CD4EC81-233D-4D7C-8319-777B4CC2BC58@mac.com> Message-ID: I would ssh into your server and use mysqlhotcopy. On May 31, 2010, at 4:36 PM, JosepM wrote: > > Hi Sarah, > > But my mySQL is remote and I don't have installed a local mySQL.. > > > Salut, > Josep M. > > El 01/06/2010, a las 1:34, Sarah Reichelt-2 [via Runtime Revolution] > escribi?: > >>> I try this but no result. >>> >>> mysqldump --opt myDB > backupDB.sql >> >> I have used a shell call to the mysqldump command and that worked >> fine. >> >> Cheers, >> Sarah >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> [hidden email] >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> View message @ http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Create-mySQL-database-structure-from-Rev-tp2237715p2237903.html >> To unsubscribe from Re: Create mySQL database structure from Rev, >> click here. >> > > > -- > View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Create-mySQL-database-structure-from-Rev-tp2237715p2237904.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From niconiko at gmail.com Mon May 31 22:03:47 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:03:47 +0900 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: References: <4C0463A6.8020600@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: > fonts on WinXP look pretty crappy compared to later versions of Windows, so this > might be what he's running into. Now that you bring it up, Scott, yes, this particular font looks much better on Vista than XP. I thought it perhaps due to the graphic card/chip. > Mostly this happens with "small" fonts (I don't have a recipe offhand), I'm not sure what you mean by "small", Scott, but I think you are on the mark here again. Cause this particular learner-intended font (Print Clearly) is noticeably small. So much so that not only in Rev but in other applications I'm always having to set it significantly larger than most of the other fonts I regularly use. I'm getting the sense that I'm out of luck on this one. Oh well. -- Nicolas Cueto From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Mon May 31 22:08:34 2010 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:08:34 +1000 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Nicolas - can you provide a screengrab of how the problem manifests and what you are trying to achieve so we can get an idea of whether you might be able to craft a solution that is reliable independent of whatever font/computer combination you use? Terry... On 1/06/10 11:57 AM, "Nicolas Cueto" wrote: > My case is not one of those. > > The field-object font is intended for young EFL learners, with that > field-object overlayed by two parallel line-objects serving to hilite > the correct letter placement of majuscules and minuscules. And from > long classroom experience, that 2-3 millimetre difference I'm seeing > on Vista vs. XP is a difference that the kids too will note and, > problematically so in the case of some learner types, internalise. > > Which in a way accounts too for why I avoid inflicting my whiteboard > chicken-scrawl on impressionable young Japanese minds. ^_^ From niconiko at gmail.com Mon May 31 22:18:10 2010 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:18:10 +0900 Subject: inconsistent field appearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Hi Nicolas - can you provide a screengrab Terry, I can and shall later in the day once I get back to my home pc. -- Nicolas Cueto From andrew at rjdfarm.com Mon May 31 22:25:06 2010 From: andrew at rjdfarm.com (Andrew Kluthe) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RTF documents as templates In-Reply-To: References: <1275319387948-322967.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275319387947-2237515.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275328258363-2237670.post@n4.nabble.com> <1275337661211-2237801.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: *WordLib* supports many document features, from text fonts, sizes, and styles to highlights, hyperlinks, and bullet lists and even images, tables, and footnotes. Supported file formats are *MS Word 2007* (.docx, .docm, .xml), *MS Word 2003*(.xml), *OpenOffice* (.odt), and *MS Word 97-2003* (.doc, limited support). http://curryk.com/wordlib.html :) images and then some. It utilizes an HTML rendering of the formatting, so searching and replacing the data should be fine if we construct the templates correctly. I am going to tinker with this tomorrow afternoon and see what I can come up with. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 6:11 PM, JosepM [via Runtime Revolution] < ml-node+2237897-163429925-139833 at n4.nabble.com > wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > You guess that is posible use the doc template with some graphic or images > inside the word and fill all the data respecting the images format? I don't > know wordLib 1.3 > Also I think that maybe we can found other non-propietary format to use..., > but let's try > > As you wish, email is fine for me. > > Salut, > Josep > > El 31/05/2010, a las 22:27, Andrew Kluthe [via Runtime Revolution] > escribi?: > > What about using wordLib 1.3 to import template documents into a field, > pull the records you need from the database, do the calculations necessary > and fill the data into the placeholders saved into the word doc? > > This was the approach I was thinking of trying out. I would very much love > to collaborate on a solution along these lines. Something customizable, a > word Document template based reporting system. > > My timeframe on needing this solution is starting to look like the end of > the week. 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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon May 31 23:34:23 2010 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 20:34:23 -0700 Subject: Create mySQL database structure from Rev In-Reply-To: References: <1275330957229-2237715.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: If one just needs the schema try this command: *show create table* after opening the database this will return data like this 2004_INV CREATE TABLE `2004_INV` ( `ID` int(11) NOT NULL, `DATE_CREATE` date NOT NULL, `DATE_CHANGE` date NOT NULL, `BRIEF_DESC` varchar(255) NOT NULL, `DESCRIPTION` varchar(255) NOT NULL, `CATEGORY` varchar(255) NOT NULL, `CURRENT_LOC` varchar(255) NOT NULL ) ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1 remove the tablename ( in this case "2004_INV" ) and you have ready to run 'table creator' code for the table